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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: shannamal on September 12, 2020, 04:18:50 PM
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Dutch artist Erik Kessels created an exhibition comprised entirely of womens face, titled 'Destry My Face'. He now is under heavy criticism for the sexist and misogynistic exhibit.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE82oKdB57N/
His statement can be read here, https://www.bredaphoto.nl/erik-kessels/
“Plastic surgery has become something pretty normal in today’s society. However, when taken overboard, these surgeries can result in deformations. The representation of oneself and what is real seem to blur more and more. The same can be said for how we present the image of ourselves online. Being insta-perfect can become the norm instead of the exception and we can manipulate our image in several seconds. The deformation that once started with plastic surgery will continue in this installation while skaters create another uncontrolled reality. Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits.
The intention of this work is ironic and intends to evoke a dialogue about self-acceptance. Of course it doesn’t mean to encourage violence against women. With this work I never wanted to offend anyone, but when reading recent comments online, I understand I’ve done so and I apologise for that. In my opinion the function of art in society is to start dialogues and I continue to believe in that”. – Erik Kessels
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yeah this shits lame as fuck.
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urethane surgery is the new plastic surgery
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Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Would be better with dick pics.
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Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Would be better with dick pics.
Destroy my dick. Quality film.
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lol
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How else did he expect that to go
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Seriously though, they should have just put up a bunch of ugly ass, but actually piled out old pro skaters instead.
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Seriously though, they should have just put up a bunch of ugly ass, but actually piled out old pro skaters instead.
Imagine the same set-up but it's all this photo:
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"destroy my face" immediately made me think of blow-bangs. And I don't particularly like blow-bangs.
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Seriously though, they should have just put up a bunch of ugly ass, but actually piled out old pro skaters instead.
Imagine the same set-up but it's all this photo:
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Exactamundo haha
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“Steroid use has become something pretty normal in today’s society. However, when taken overboard, these intakes can result in deformations. The representation of oneself and what is real seem to blur more and more. The same can be said for how we present the image of ourselves online. Being insta-perfect can become the norm instead of the exception and we can manipulate our image in several seconds. The deformation that once started with steroids will continue in this installation while skaters create another uncontrolled reality. Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online steroid user portraits. – Erik Kessels, Destroy The Other Person's Face
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
Oh yea, wow it is soooo original and unique. It totally makes me “think“...
Edit: I bet you think McDonald’s X Supreme is/would be some woke social commentary too. Nerd.
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One of those art things where it’s supposed to shock everyone and make them think about society and shit. Cool...
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art is fucking stupid
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
It’s fucking lame social commentary.
So lame that the point is completely missed because the ‘artist’ was either completely oblivious that using ONLY women could be misconstrued, or he did it on purpose. I think the latter.
And the act of skating over people’s faces, ‘destroying’ them, what kind of subtle take-home are we supposed to get out of that rather than willful disrespect?
It is pitiful. It doesn’t create any more meaningful of a conversation than spitting on them does.
It is a knee-jerk reaction to women getting plastic surgery, and basically attacking them, refusing to look at why it is so popular in today’s society.
It doesn’t come anywhere close to grappling with the main issues of WHY. There is so much that could be explored with the topic.
But instead it’s not art, it’s the scratching out the face of someone you don’t like in your yearbook by someone who thinks they are some kind of artist.
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lmao thats distracting as fuck. they should make that shit look like an arcade carpet. that shit would be tight
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Thats art? jesus
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I think I speak for most of us when I say-
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People will complain about anything
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People will complain about anything
Says Mr. Titty sig. Your hypocrisy is showing.
Edit: on a long board no less. Tits don’t make up for that trash.
Edit 2: Booyakasha!
Edit 3: Bitch almost fell off... pushing once, delete that garbage holmes. It ain’t edgy or sexy or cool. It is fucking dumb though. Congratulations. Wow tits. So funny and cool sig man, way to go. Not.
Edit 4: Nerd.
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I’ll withhold judgment until hearing Feedback Ted’s take
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Missed opportunity
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People will complain about anything
Says Mr. Titty sig. Your hypocrisy is showing.
Edit: on a long board no less. Tits don’t make up for that trash.
Edit 2: Booyakasha!
Edit 3: Bitch almost fell off... pushing once, delete that garbage holmes. It ain’t edgy or sexy or cool. It is fucking dumb though. Congratulations. Wow tits. So funny and cool sig man, way to go. Not.
Edit 4: Nerd.
Hope you feel better now bud.
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People will complain about anything
Says Mr. Titty sig. Your hypocrisy is showing.
Edit: on a long board no less. Tits don’t make up for that trash.
Edit 2: Booyakasha!
Edit 3: Bitch almost fell off... pushing once, delete that garbage holmes. It ain’t edgy or sexy or cool. It is fucking dumb though. Congratulations. Wow tits. So funny and cool sig man, way to go. Not.
Edit 4: Nerd.
Hope you feel better now bud.
You mean now that I called you out on your dumb shit? Yea, not bad. Not like everyone hasn’t noticed before. You just happened to put it all on display. Nice job dipshit.
Edit: heeerrreee puss puss puss
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"destroy my face" immediately made me think of blow-bangs. And I don't particularly like blow-bangs.
its cuz you’ve never gotten good head... here lemme show you how its done g
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So is this at a skate park and if so WHY would you think that's a good idea for skate park art i would almost prefer shitty graffiti
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Could have just put pictures of the Kardashian’s in place of randos. That would have achieved the same message, and no one would have been offended.
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People will complain about anything
Says Mr. Titty sig. Your hypocrisy is showing.
Edit: on a long board no less. Tits don’t make up for that trash.
Edit 2: Booyakasha!
Edit 3: Bitch almost fell off... pushing once, delete that garbage holmes. It ain’t edgy or sexy or cool. It is fucking dumb though. Congratulations. Wow tits. So funny and cool sig man, way to go. Not.
Edit 4: Nerd.
Hope you feel better now bud.
You mean now that I called you out on your dumb shit? Yea, not bad. Not like everyone hasn’t noticed before. You just happened to put it all on display. Nice job dipshit.
If calling someone out on a forum about skating helps you sleep brother, go for it. I can pretend to give a fuck if you want the attention.
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People will complain about anything
Says Mr. Titty sig. Your hypocrisy is showing.
Edit: on a long board no less. Tits don’t make up for that trash.
Edit 2: Booyakasha!
Edit 3: Bitch almost fell off... pushing once, delete that garbage holmes. It ain’t edgy or sexy or cool. It is fucking dumb though. Congratulations. Wow tits. So funny and cool sig man, way to go. Not.
Edit 4: Nerd.
Hope you feel better now bud.
You mean now that I called you out on your dumb shit? Yea, not bad. Not like everyone hasn’t noticed before. You just happened to put it all on display. Nice job dipshit.
If calling someone out on a forum about skating helps you sleep brother, go for it. I can pretend to give a fuck if you want the attention.
Dude you called out that this thread was wack. I called you out for being a fucking limp dick pussy...
Edit: saying shit about women being not exploited and “who cares people complain about everything”. All while having that sig. Keep playing dumb you coward.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
It's not that simple, buddy. The "artist's stance" is bullshit. This "exhibit" holds absolutely no value. I'm sure the ulterior motive is for the artist to gain notoriety and popularity, which goes against everything good art stands for. You'd have to be a total idiot to think that pasting women's faces on the ground, for a mostly male demographic to constantly walk and run and ride over, with the title "Destroy My Face," and the artist posting pictures of the damage on the women's faces, doesn't convey feelings of misogyny and abuse in spades. Skateboarding and the world in general doesn't need that, and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't really care about women or skateboarding. So it's bullshit. Stop defending bullshit.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
Deflection! Obvious. Nice job.
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I’m here all night ya kook.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
lol replying continuously to prove u dont care
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Art can touch on sensitive issues and still be respectful to people.
Art can create discussions. Skillfully presented art points the discussion in a direction that people may not have considered.
Art can be uncomfortable.
But so can shit.
When an art piece is so poorly executed that people get a completely different message than what the artist had intended, you have to wonder how much planning went into it, and if the artist’s main message carries any validity.
The ‘artist’ supposedly wanted to make a message about botched plastic surgery, and something about how we should be ourselves?
It was so crudely done.
First, only women were chosen. There are plenty of botched male surgeries as well (for example, guys looking for a bigger dick). But WHY were only women chosen?
Why only botched surgeries? Why not all plastic surgery, if being oneself is the message?
How does ruining the images through the act of (probably entirely male) skateboarding contribute to understanding the main message?
Aren’t the images alone are powerful statements against plastic surgery? (Which I think is one of the messages of the person who took the portraits)
How does skating and destroying those images add anything remotely interesting or even understandable?
My immediate take-away is that the violence though destruction is some kind of poor form of ‘punishing’, like ripping up the picture of an ex.
I assume the ladies whose surgeries are botched are not especially happy about it.
Why would they need to be further punished in this form?
This project seems to just blame the women for their choices. That’s pretty fucking basic and crude.
More interesting would be to explore why they made the choice to potentially ruin their faces in the pursuit of beauty.
What drove them to do it? These kind deeper issues would provoke some kind of actual productive conversations.
But not this. I can’t see any further deeper message than scratching out the faces of women who are already punished for their choices to adhere to some kind of beauty standard.
The reasoning for using skateboards to carry out is completely obscure, it’s either a completely haphazard and extremely poorly thought-out piece, or it it is all that, plus blatantly presenting the misogynistic view of the artist.
It’s so bad and blatantly anti-woman that I can’t see how it’s not the latter
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
lol replying continuously to prove u dont care
He ain’t that smart.
Basically he is like a bag of mushed up donkey brains and fake tits. Somehow that smashes together in juuuussst an intelligent enough way to post dumb shit on slap. And here we are.
It’s really, truly an anomaly.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
lol replying continuously to prove u dont care
He ain’t that smart.
Basically he is like a bag of mushed up donkey brains and fake tits. Somehow that smashes together in juuuussst an intelligent enough way to post dumb shit on slap. And here we are.
It’s really, truly an anomaly.
i think an issue with a lot of dudes like this is selective hearing, just hear whats safest for them, idk. i could understand why personally attacking him seems reasonable, considering these dudes whole thing is "dont be pc, dont take shit personally, blah blah blah," but going that route just seems to create an argument about nothing lol
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
Deflection! Obvious. Nice job.
Your opinion wont change mine, mine won't change yours.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
Deflection! Obvious. Nice job.
Your opinion wont change mine, mine won't change yours.
Nah you’re right, mine is set. You are a dumb ass. Congratulations.
Edit: Jesus Christ I waited, like forever, holy shit, to see if you would give me a good zinger or something, but no. Guess you aren’t quick enough. Very disappointing.
Too late.
Up your game kid.
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This guys is done def asf. These women didn’t want botched surgeries. They didn’t ask for that shit. Also skating is progressively gotten more and more inclusive so why is this guy bringing skating into his weird hatred for women who want surgery? Like who the fuck cares. Skating doesn’t need this dumb shit. It’s like some guy just piggy backing on skateboard culture to put out some shitty edgy art. It’s sad that we are even giving this art a thread. Fuckin wack
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fake woke art at its finest.
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I love it when lefties fight themselves.
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The message behind it is stupid, but the novelty is something. Would be down to skate that park.
If he has rights to the images used then what's the problem?
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In terms of art, this is juvenile and transparently grabbing attention. The artist (I had to look him up—he's actually in his 50s) wanted to 'show how faces can be destroyed as easily as they are made (...) and suggest something about selfie culture and the way we currently treat imagery'. Vapid nonsense, if you ask me. He obviously foresaw this controversy and covered his ass. The photos are composite images, doctored from female as well as male faces. This way, no real people could complain (sue), and any criticism of misogyny could plausibly be countered. Of course all the faces are clearly more feminine than masculine, so would reliably stir up controversy. Or am I being cynical here?
What's more puzzling is how in the world did the skatepark give the OK for this? What did they have to gain from it? (It will be removed after two months, by the way.)
Edit: I said 'doctored', but Kessels has a counter for that, too. An algorithm composed the images. Again, maybe it's just me but each of these portraits seem female. Not a short-haired one among them. All with makeup. The artwork is part of a photographic art series inspired by Dickens' Tale of Two Cities (best of times, worst of times). Talk about a stretch. Or maybe it isn't? This work may indeed be indicative of what sucks about current times, in that it shows how people are willing to pander an overtly bullshit narrative just to gain the spotlight. In doing exactly that, the artist might be criticizing this?
Perhaps it is good art then?
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I feel bad and really don't at the same time feel bad for the owners of the skatepark. Like this kook artist came in and probably didn't explain what he was going to do very well and now he's totally fucked up their skatepark's image. At the same time they let said kook artist turn their park into an art exhibit. If I rolled up to the park and saw this I would probably just go elsewhere because that shit seems insanely distracting in addition to being really fucked up and misogynistic.
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And the act of skating over people’s faces, ‘destroying’ them, what kind of subtle take-home are we supposed to get out of that rather than willful disrespect?
It is pitiful. It doesn’t create any more meaningful of a conversation than spitting on them does.
It is a knee-jerk reaction to women getting plastic surgery, and basically attacking them, refusing to look at why it is so popular in today’s society.
It doesn’t come anywhere close to grappling with the main issues of WHY. There is so much that could be explored with the topic.
The use of skating here is actually way worse for the art piece as a whole, because spitting would have clear symbolism as performance art. Why did the artist choose skateboarding for the destructive act? Was it because of any connection between skateboarding and cosmetic surgery / women / selfie culture? Maybe because skateboarding is still seen as a male-dominant activity? No, it's clear that he just thinks sk8ing is cool. Youth culture monster energy backwards cap chaka brah.
I think the artist's expression here is so glaringly obvious that it's not even offensive at all, it's just really, really lame.
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The message behind it is stupid, but the novelty is something. Would be down to skate that park.
If he has rights to the images used then what's the problem?
I know this may come as a shock, but it's possible to be an ignorant dork while still abiding by copyright laws.
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People will complain about anything
Explain exactly what you meant by this and I’ll shut the fuck up...
I’m assuming you just mean “people will complain about anything that disenfranchises women”. Because you don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t affect you. No? Please explain.
People will literally complain about anything. You are complaining about me, my sig, asking for clips of me skating then you would complain about the quality of my skating or my kit. Theres a design on the park, artist explained his stance. Here you are bitching. Sweet
I look like shit on a board and still post stuff.
If you have a chick with her tits out in your sig, “for fun and laughs”, While also not posting you skating. Then shut the fuck up. You talk shit about people pointing out your hypocrisy. And claiming you “don’t take this site seriously”, yet DMing me three times in a row. Seems like you do too, or are you just full of shit like I suspect?
Edit: I DMed you once to say put up or shut up and got three more messages. Who takes this shit more seriously? Hmmmmmm
You apparently
Deflection! Obvious. Nice job.
Your opinion wont change mine, mine won't change yours.
Nah you’re right, mine is set. You are a dumb ass. Congratulations.
Edit: Jesus Christ I waited, like forever, holy shit, to see if you would give me a good zinger or something, but no. Guess you aren’t quick enough. Very disappointing.
Too late.
Up your game kid.
I'll put it on my to do list brother
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os89 i never had anything against you but you're making yourself look like a fucking idiot in this thread
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Objectively, the huge scale of the work is pretty impressive, I just feel the artist has missed an opportunity here. In his statement, he speaks about "the function of art is to start dialogues", to deflect from criticism, but when the subject of your work are all female, with "botched plastic surgery", especially as a male artist, what kind of "dialogue" are you even trying to start? He's tried to make some kind of statement on the trappings of vanity or something, but just came across as a another man telling women what to do/look like. Such a one-dimensional idea for such a huge space, with the conceptual potency of that guy that spells out the angsty sentences with balloons. Perhaps if paired together, they would both dissipate into a cloud of their own farts.
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I'll put it on my to do list brother
Booooooooo, ya incel
os89 i never had anything against you but you're making yourself look like a fucking idiot in this thread
Oh my lord? God forgive me! Please. I need your approval to feel validated on slap.
The “artwork” sucks. Unless you have some enlightened take on this shit, it’s trash.
Objectively, the huge scale of the work is pretty impressive, I just feel the artist has missed an opportunity here. In his statement, he speaks about "the function of art is to start dialogues", to deflect from criticism, but when the subject of your work are all female, with "botched plastic surgery", especially as a male artist, what kind of "dialogue" are you even trying to start? He's tried to make some kind of statement on the trappings of vanity or something, but just came across as a another man telling women what to do/look like. Such a one-dimensional idea for such a huge space, with the conceptual potency of that guy that spells out the angsty sentences with balloons. Perhaps if paired together, they would both dissipate into a cloud of their own farts.
Exactly
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You think anyone’s gotten down and kissed any of those giant lips when no one was watching?
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I see the artist’s intention and I think it is an interesting topic but the execution is pretty weak and the argument that it presents a misogynistic message is valid.
If the concept was to have uncontrolled destruction in juxtaposition to planned “destruction” (plastic surgery) then something more interactive than just rolling over people’s faces would strengthen that idea. And that it is only women’s faces on display does imply that cosmetic enhancements and curated presentations of the digital self is only something to be criticized if it’s women doing so when it’s just as common to see men doing the exact same things.
The skatepark looks fun though.
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The message behind it is stupid, but the novelty is something. Would be down to skate that park.
If he has rights to the images used then what's the problem?
I know this may come as a shock, but it's possible to be an ignorant dork while still abiding by copyright laws.
And? This reeks of being offended for the sake of being offended.
Actual skateboarders are saying this encourages violence against women? I'm impressed by the conviction but give me a break.
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Oh no I'm so offended by this....
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People offended by this might want to stick to looking at cute wallpapers on Pinterest.
Not everyone is simple enough to be stimulated by cliche children's book illustrations with zero composition, no artistic significance and a fucking pattern stolen from a delta airlines seat (nora v)
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How long until a freaky deaky Dutch circle jerk happens on these enlarged faces?
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Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits
If anything, it seems like the neural network is a misogynist.
That being said,
art is fucking stupid
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Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits
If anything, it seems like the neural network is a misogynist.
That being said,
"art is stupid" is something the slowest kid in your class in middle school would say. Thanks for your insight you slow fucks
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What even is misogynist machine learning these days?
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Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits
If anything, it seems like the neural network is a misogynist.
That being said,
"art is stupid" is something the slowest kid in your class in middle school would say. Thanks for your insight you slow fucks
Saying, ""art is stupid" is something the slowest kid in your class in middle school would say. Thanks for your insight you slow fucks"', is something the slowest kid in your class in middle school would say. Thanks for your insight you slow fuck.
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
It’s fucking lame social commentary.
So lame that the point is completely missed because the ‘artist’ was either completely oblivious that using ONLY women could be misconstrued, or he did it on purpose. I think the latter.
And the act of skating over people’s faces, ‘destroying’ them, what kind of subtle take-home are we supposed to get out of that rather than willful disrespect?
It is pitiful. It doesn’t create any more meaningful of a conversation than spitting on them does.
It is a knee-jerk reaction to women getting plastic surgery, and basically attacking them, refusing to look at why it is so popular in today’s society.
It doesn’t come anywhere close to grappling with the main issues of WHY. There is so much that could be explored with the topic.
But instead it’s not art, it’s the scratching out the face of someone you don’t like in your yearbook by someone who thinks they are some kind of artist.
Thats the point
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Objectively, the huge scale of the work is pretty impressive, I just feel the artist has missed an opportunity here. In his statement, he speaks about "the function of art is to start dialogues", to deflect from criticism, but when the subject of your work are all female, with "botched plastic surgery", especially as a male artist, what kind of "dialogue" are you even trying to start? He's tried to make some kind of statement on the trappings of vanity or something, but just came across as a another man telling women what to do/look like. Such a one-dimensional idea for such a huge space, with the conceptual potency of that guy that spells out the angsty sentences with balloons. Perhaps if paired together, they would both dissipate into a cloud of their own farts.
My thoughts exactly.
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It’s gonna suck when the seams on all that vinyl start to come up and make that place unskateable. And once they pull it all up and dirt and shit sticks to all the adhesive that doesn’t get cleaned up it’s going to be even worse.
So whoever owns that park is going to pay a price for being a part of it if that makes you feel better.
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Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits
If anything, it seems like the neural network is a misogynist.
That being said,
"art is stupid" is something the slowest kid in your class in middle school would say. Thanks for your insight you slow fucks
I just don’t understand why you have to yell.
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
Oh yea, wow it is soooo original and unique. It totally makes me “think“...
Edit: I bet you think McDonald’s X Supreme is/would be some woke social commentary too. Nerd.
have you ever heard of andy warhol? nobody is trying to make you think bro don't over exert yourself i don't want you to get hurt
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art is fucking stupid
This and how can anyone even skate that. I’d be too distracted by the 100 botched faces beneath me.
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
It’s fucking lame social commentary.
So lame that the point is completely missed because the ‘artist’ was either completely oblivious that using ONLY women could be misconstrued, or he did it on purpose. I think the latter.
And the act of skating over people’s faces, ‘destroying’ them, what kind of subtle take-home are we supposed to get out of that rather than willful disrespect?
It is pitiful. It doesn’t create any more meaningful of a conversation than spitting on them does.
It is a knee-jerk reaction to women getting plastic surgery, and basically attacking them, refusing to look at why it is so popular in today’s society.
It doesn’t come anywhere close to grappling with the main issues of WHY. There is so much that could be explored with the topic.
But instead it’s not art, it’s the scratching out the face of someone you don’t like in your yearbook by someone who thinks they are some kind of artist.
so why don't you have that conversation with someone? I would talk to you about it if it was something that mattered to me but I'm not a woman so I don't have any strong feelings about the subject one way or another
saying the exhibition sucks or that you don't like it is one thing but people need to learn to exchange dialogue without accusing the other side with extreme terminology. a nose manny on noses is pretty funny imo, and the artists explanation made sense to me honestly, and i've never ever hit or smacked a girl or anything like that either, so
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I see the artist’s intention and I think it is an interesting topic but the execution is pretty weak and the argument that it presents a misogynistic message is valid.
If the concept was to have uncontrolled destruction in juxtaposition to planned “destruction” (plastic surgery) then something more interactive than just rolling over people’s faces would strengthen that idea. And that it is only women’s faces on display does imply that cosmetic enhancements and curated presentations of the digital self is only something to be criticized if it’s women doing so when it’s just as common to see men doing the exact same things.
The skatepark looks fun though.
Yep I agree. He missed an opportunity to be all inclusive to show that all of humankind do some fucked up shit to themselves all in the name of self esteem and why do we make people fell this way
We are at least talking about it so he did achieve that
Now go out and skate it
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I see the artist’s intention and I think it is an interesting topic but the execution is pretty weak and the argument that it presents a misogynistic message is valid.
If the concept was to have uncontrolled destruction in juxtaposition to planned “destruction” (plastic surgery) then something more interactive than just rolling over people’s faces would strengthen that idea. And that it is only women’s faces on display does imply that cosmetic enhancements and curated presentations of the digital self is only something to be criticized if it’s women doing so when it’s just as common to see men doing the exact same things.
The skatepark looks fun though.
Yep I agree. He missed an opportunity to be all inclusive to show that all of humankind do some fucked up shit to themselves all in the name of self esteem and why do we make people fell this way
We are at least talking about it so he did achieve that
Now go out and skate it
Love that art. Fuck the bitches and their faces
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Yikes. I looked up the artist's previous works to see if there was some kind of conceptual angle that I was missing and I couldn't find anything redeeming. There was a photography book he did of Nazi soldiers taking shits that pretty much sums up his oeuvre.
His work is in that shock value / sensationalism area of art that some get so right (Maurizio Cattalan, Kara Walker, and John Waters) and some get so wrong (Jordan Wolfson, Rob Zombie, and Terry Richards). There's also that grey area of predatory art (Sally Mann, Ed Templeton) and tone deaf artworks (Dana Schutz painting about Emmett Till's horrifying murder).
I understand the impulse to create shock value and I can see the importance of it as well. Skateboard graphics have a rich history of shocking imagery. Natas' devil board and the hanging Klansman are the first ones that come to mind. The value of those images isn't diminished by time either. Art has a way of examining the difficult or unthinkable. An artist can choose something horrific or upsetting as a concept and really expand the dialogue of the thing. Shocking art also has the ability to bee line past the art world and make its way into the popular dialogue which can be culturally significant.
With this installation of women's faces to be abusively destroyed I'm personally not seeing anything of value. The interaction with the viewer / skater isn't about connection, understanding, or empathy. It doesn't appear to expand on any ideas past it's initial one. The physical mark making of the act of skateboarding is an interesting collection scuffs that could have a cool relationship to a pristine image but it doesn't add to these photographs. If I'm reaching for meaning I could hypothesize that Kessels' intention or foresight was that the marks could symbolize wrinkles but that's not really what he's going for. It's an aggressive take on cosmetic surgery and with this kind of public/interactive installation it asks the participant to be involved in the cruelty towards these women and therefor culpable.I'm pretty sure that is why the public reaction is one of outrage more then interest. Anyways, that's a long winded way of saying I think this guy is a fucking kook.
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
Oh yea, wow it is soooo original and unique. It totally makes me “think“...
Edit: I bet you think McDonald’s X Supreme is/would be some woke social commentary too. Nerd.
have you ever heard of andy warhol? nobody is trying to make you think bro don't over exert yourself i don't want you to get hurt
Yea... his shit was barely social commentary. Mass produced products, consumerism and pop culture figures. Still pretty shallow commentary. He even admitted so himself.
What’s your point? This skatepark shit isn’t some mind blowing, critique or anything. Unless you actually think it is. ::) Which it isn’t. It is fucking stupid though.
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didn't look and didn't read--i just stopped in here to say:
art is fucking stupid
but then realized what i really meant to say is:
What even is misogynist machine learning these days?
carry on
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Message and failed art aside, it’s a distraction. You don’t need to sell skaters on your shitty artistic message, or opinion. This art sucks, it’s a mess, fuck you for making a skate space about anything other than skating itself.
That aside, plastic surgery (aside from corrective) rarely looks better than natural aging. I look at Sabina Rouge and get sad that a cute girl ruined herself trying to become a living Bratz doll.
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I see the artist’s intention and I think it is an interesting topic but the execution is pretty weak and the argument that it presents a misogynistic message is valid.
If the concept was to have uncontrolled destruction in juxtaposition to planned “destruction” (plastic surgery) then something more interactive than just rolling over people’s faces would strengthen that idea. And that it is only women’s faces on display does imply that cosmetic enhancements and curated presentations of the digital self is only something to be criticized if it’s women doing so when it’s just as common to see men doing the exact same things.
The skatepark looks fun though.
Yep I agree. He missed an opportunity to be all inclusive to show that all of humankind do some fucked up shit to themselves all in the name of self esteem and why do we make people fell this way
We are at least talking about it so he did achieve that
Now go out and skate it
Love that art. Fuck the bitches and their faces
HAWRD
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Erg This art exhibition makes me want to hit girls... erg... need to get my weekly dosage of Vent city podcast... then i will be less misogynisting
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(https://www.bredaphoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Destroy-my-face-150x225-websitetekst.jpg)
“Destroy My Face” consists of 60 portraits composed of 800 portraits of men and women selected on the internet, all of which have somehow transformed their faces by means of plastic surgery and/or fillers. The 60 composed portraits are the result of an algorithm and do not represent existing persons, they are printed on sticker folie 4m x 4m.
Kessels himself stated the following about his project:
“Plastic surgery has become something pretty normal in today’s society. However, when taken overboard, these surgeries can result in deformations. The representation of oneself and what is real seem to blur more and more. The same can be said for how we present the image of ourselves online. Being insta-perfect can become the norm instead of the exception and we can manipulate our image in several seconds. The deformation that once started with plastic surgery will continue in this installation while skaters create another uncontrolled reality. Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits.
The intention of this work is ironic and intends to evoke a dialogue about self-acceptance. Of course it doesn’t mean to encourage violence against women. With this work I never wanted to offend anyone, but when reading recent comments online, I understand I’ve done so and I apologise for that. In my opinion the function of art in society is to start dialogues and I continue to believe in that”. --Erik Kessels
Source : https://www.bredaphoto.nl/destroy-my-face-erik-kessels/?lang=en
So there's his explanation and response. If male photos were also used, it doesn't explain why none are represented in the final product; that being said he's certainly started a dialog and I've yet to understand how anybody cares about this.
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Message and failed art aside, it’s a distraction. You don’t need to sell skaters on your shitty artistic message, or opinion. This art sucks, it’s a mess, fuck you for making a skate space about anything other than skating itself.
That aside, plastic surgery (aside from corrective) rarely looks better than natural aging. I look at Sabina Rouge and get sad that a cute girl ruined herself trying to become a living Bratz doll.
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The 60 composed portraits are the result of an algorithm and do not represent existing persons, they are printed on sticker folie 4m x 4m.
Lol so it’s not even real people. How can you be misogynistic towards genderless, computer-generated images?
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Message and failed art aside, it’s a distraction. You don’t need to sell skaters on your shitty artistic message, or opinion. This art sucks, it’s a mess, fuck you for making a skate space about anything other than skating itself.
Although it’s probably not just the artist’s fault, but also a curatorial mishap. Regardless, this shit is stupid and online outrage is dumb and directionless. Simmer down.
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(https://www.bredaphoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Destroy-my-face-150x225-websitetekst.jpg)
“Destroy My Face” consists of 60 portraits composed of 800 portraits of men and women selected on the internet, all of which have somehow transformed their faces by means of plastic surgery and/or fillers. The 60 composed portraits are the result of an algorithm and do not represent existing persons, they are printed on sticker folie 4m x 4m.
Kessels himself stated the following about his project:
“Plastic surgery has become something pretty normal in today’s society. However, when taken overboard, these surgeries can result in deformations. The representation of oneself and what is real seem to blur more and more. The same can be said for how we present the image of ourselves online. Being insta-perfect can become the norm instead of the exception and we can manipulate our image in several seconds. The deformation that once started with plastic surgery will continue in this installation while skaters create another uncontrolled reality. Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits.
The intention of this work is ironic and intends to evoke a dialogue about self-acceptance. Of course it doesn’t mean to encourage violence against women. With this work I never wanted to offend anyone, but when reading recent comments online, I understand I’ve done so and I apologise for that. In my opinion the function of art in society is to start dialogues and I continue to believe in that”. --Erik Kessels
Source : https://www.bredaphoto.nl/destroy-my-face-erik-kessels/?lang=en
So there's his explanation and response. If male photos were also used, it doesn't explain why none are represented in the final product; that being said he's certainly started a dialog and I've yet to understand how anybody cares about this.
Thanks for finding this explanation rapscallion. To me it sounds like he's back peddling. I still don't see any real correlation between skateboarding and his empty examination of plastic surgery. If the artist asks people to actively and literally destroy women's faces with a nebulous "it's supposed to be ironic" reasoning in his back pocket then he should probably expect to be reviled. I'm not saying the dude should be cancelled or anything but I think he should accept that this was a failed project.
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(https://www.bredaphoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Destroy-my-face-150x225-websitetekst.jpg)
“Destroy My Face” consists of 60 portraits composed of 800 portraits of men and women selected on the internet, all of which have somehow transformed their faces by means of plastic surgery and/or fillers. The 60 composed portraits are the result of an algorithm and do not represent existing persons, they are printed on sticker folie 4m x 4m.
Kessels himself stated the following about his project:
“Plastic surgery has become something pretty normal in today’s society. However, when taken overboard, these surgeries can result in deformations. The representation of oneself and what is real seem to blur more and more. The same can be said for how we present the image of ourselves online. Being insta-perfect can become the norm instead of the exception and we can manipulate our image in several seconds. The deformation that once started with plastic surgery will continue in this installation while skaters create another uncontrolled reality. Machine learning, as another artificial intervention, was used to generate the selection after entering all, male and female, available online plastic surgery portraits.
The intention of this work is ironic and intends to evoke a dialogue about self-acceptance. Of course it doesn’t mean to encourage violence against women. With this work I never wanted to offend anyone, but when reading recent comments online, I understand I’ve done so and I apologise for that. In my opinion the function of art in society is to start dialogues and I continue to believe in that”. --Erik Kessels
Source : https://www.bredaphoto.nl/destroy-my-face-erik-kessels/?lang=en
So there's his explanation and response. If male photos were also used, it doesn't explain why none are represented in the final product; that being said he's certainly started a dialog and I've yet to understand how anybody cares about this.
Thanks for finding this explanation rapscallion. To me it sounds like he's back peddling. I still don't see any real correlation between skateboarding and his empty examination of plastic surgery. If the artist asks people to actively and literally destroy women's faces with a nebulous "it's supposed to be ironic" reasoning in his back pocket then he should probably expect to be reviled. I'm not saying the dude should be cancelled or anything but I think he should accept that this was a failed project.
I suppose the analogy here is that skateboarding is a similar kind of destructive/self-destructive activity, which, of course, is clearly wrong. If anything, the guy just has a narrow-minded, skewed view of skateboarding. So yeah, fuck him anyways.
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Once knew a guy who would say "art is stupid". He's favourite skate was cody McEntire, and he ate at least 2 packs of doritos a day.
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Once knew a guy who would say "art is stupid". He's favourite skate was cody McEntire, and he ate at least 2 packs of doritos a day.
i know, what kind of ungrateful philistine would have a problem with art and all of the selfless artists who are going to save the world?
after all, without art--and of course, cuisine--how could we gentrify neighborhoods of poor and working people who have the audacity to not have enough resources to be properly insatiable urban consumers?
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yeah see this guy gets it
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Can we just photoshop some of the best “lame instagram posts by pros” onto this park and just call it a day?
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Art IS fucking stupid when it has some “message” embedded in it.
Give me a Kline, Pollock, Krasner, Rothko, a de Kooning, anything please. Something that makes me feel something on a, none political or social analysis type of way.
Even the best board graphics are just beautiful for their own sake. Not some message or funny joke. Although they can be great too.
In MY opinion, art for arts sake. Leave your message out of it.
If I wanted to be moved or get some perspective I will read a fucking book.
Also just yea, this
Can we just photoshop some of the best “lame instagram posts by pros” onto this park and just call it a day?
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Once knew a guy who would say "art is stupid". He's favourite skate was cody McEntire, and he ate at least 2 packs of doritos a day.
1 oz or 2 oz?
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Yikes. I looked up the artist's previous works to see if there was some kind of conceptual angle that I was missing and I couldn't find anything redeeming. There was a photography book he did of Nazi soldiers taking shits that pretty much sums up his oeuvre.
His work is in that shock value / sensationalism area of art that some get so right (Maurizio Cattalan, Kara Walker, and John Waters) and some get so wrong (Jordan Wolfson, Rob Zombie, and Terry Richards). There's also that grey area of predatory art (Sally Mann, Ed Templeton) and tone deaf artworks (Dana Schutz painting about Emmett Till's horrifying murder).
I understand the impulse to create shock value and I can see the importance of it as well. Skateboard graphics have a rich history of shocking imagery. Natas' devil board and the hanging Klansman are the first ones that come to mind. The value of those images isn't diminished by time either. Art has a way of examining the difficult or unthinkable. An artist can choose something horrific or upsetting as a concept and really expand the dialogue of the thing. Shocking art also has the ability to bee line past the art world and make its way into the popular dialogue which can be culturally significant.
With this installation of women's faces to be abusively destroyed I'm personally not seeing anything of value. The interaction with the viewer / skater isn't about connection, understanding, or empathy. It doesn't appear to expand on any ideas past it's initial one. The physical mark making of the act of skateboarding is an interesting collection scuffs that could have a cool relationship to a pristine image but it doesn't add to these photographs. If I'm reaching for meaning I could hypothesize that Kessels' intention or foresight was that the marks could symbolize wrinkles but that's not really what he's going for. It's an aggressive take on cosmetic surgery and with this kind of public/interactive installation it asks the participant to be involved in the cruelty towards these women and therefor culpable.I'm pretty sure that is why the public reaction is one of outrage more then interest. Anyways, that's a long winded way of saying I think this guy is a fucking kook.
I agree, the irony fell totally flat. I would be interested to know how much research he did into the project, not just into women who have had cosmetic procedures, but also into skateboarding. Did he reach out to anyone to develop the project further and give it more substance? Maybe even to learn something himself? Judging by how socially unaware and disjointed the finished work is, probably not. In saying all that though, I would enjoy trying to noseslide the nose haha.
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Yikes. I looked up the artist's previous works to see if there was some kind of conceptual angle that I was missing and I couldn't find anything redeeming. There was a photography book he did of Nazi soldiers taking shits that pretty much sums up his oeuvre.
His work is in that shock value / sensationalism area of art that some get so right (Maurizio Cattalan, Kara Walker, and John Waters) and some get so wrong (Jordan Wolfson, Rob Zombie, and Terry Richards). There's also that grey area of predatory art (Sally Mann, Ed Templeton) and tone deaf artworks (Dana Schutz painting about Emmett Till's horrifying murder).
I understand the impulse to create shock value and I can see the importance of it as well. Skateboard graphics have a rich history of shocking imagery. Natas' devil board and the hanging Klansman are the first ones that come to mind. The value of those images isn't diminished by time either. Art has a way of examining the difficult or unthinkable. An artist can choose something horrific or upsetting as a concept and really expand the dialogue of the thing. Shocking art also has the ability to bee line past the art world and make its way into the popular dialogue which can be culturally significant.
With this installation of women's faces to be abusively destroyed I'm personally not seeing anything of value. The interaction with the viewer / skater isn't about connection, understanding, or empathy. It doesn't appear to expand on any ideas past it's initial one. The physical mark making of the act of skateboarding is an interesting collection scuffs that could have a cool relationship to a pristine image but it doesn't add to these photographs. If I'm reaching for meaning I could hypothesize that Kessels' intention or foresight was that the marks could symbolize wrinkles but that's not really what he's going for. It's an aggressive take on cosmetic surgery and with this kind of public/interactive installation it asks the participant to be involved in the cruelty towards these women and therefor culpable.I'm pretty sure that is why the public reaction is one of outrage more then interest. Anyways, that's a long winded way of saying I think this guy is a fucking kook.
I agree, the irony fell totally flat. I would be interested to know how much research he did into the project, not just into women who have had cosmetic procedures, but also into skateboarding. Did he reach out to anyone to develop the project further and give it more substance? Maybe even to learn something himself? Judging by how socially unaware and disjointed the finished work is, probably not. In saying all that though, I would enjoy trying to noseslide the nose haha.
or lipslide the lips <3
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Message and failed art aside, it’s a distraction. You don’t need to sell skaters on your shitty artistic message, or opinion. This art sucks, it’s a mess, fuck you for making a skate space about anything other than skating itself.
That aside, plastic surgery (aside from corrective) rarely looks better than natural aging. I look at Sabina Rouge and get sad that a cute girl ruined herself trying to become a living Bratz doll.
The irony of skaters complaining about a space being utilized not for its intended purpose
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I wonder how long it'll take till hardcore rough porn gets canceled for being offensive to women
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It looks terrible and it’s pretentious and lame af but I don’t see how it’s sexist. It’s just some guy who thinks he’s woke but is just cringe
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Message and failed art aside, it’s a distraction. You don’t need to sell skaters on your shitty artistic message, or opinion. This art sucks, it’s a mess, fuck you for making a skate space about anything other than skating itself.
That aside, plastic surgery (aside from corrective) rarely looks better than natural aging. I look at Sabina Rouge and get sad that a cute girl ruined herself trying to become a living Bratz doll.
The irony of skaters complaining about a space being utilized not for its intended purpose
eh son, no shit, right?
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I don’t see how this is sexist it’s just some cringe, lame, pretentious artist thinking he’s woke
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I don’t see how this is sexist it’s just some cringe, lame, pretentious artist thinking he’s woke
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It’s all fun and games men saying “ThIs iS sUcH GoOD aRt bEcAusE it CausEs DiscUsSion and DEBATE” you do realise this isn’t just a “discussion” for us? Misogyny, the pressure to look a certain way and violence is the shit we have to put up with in our day to day lives?
ok so the argument is that it's sexist because it is a man making women the focus of his art. lol. because nobody who has an issue with this is actually going to be able to articulate how anything about this is misogynistic in any way. It is fucking social commentary, if it bothers you, it's not his fault
It’s fucking lame social commentary.
So lame that the point is completely missed because the ‘artist’ was either completely oblivious that using ONLY women could be misconstrued, or he did it on purpose. I think the latter.
And the act of skating over people’s faces, ‘destroying’ them, what kind of subtle take-home are we supposed to get out of that rather than willful disrespect?
It is pitiful. It doesn’t create any more meaningful of a conversation than spitting on them does.
It is a knee-jerk reaction to women getting plastic surgery, and basically attacking them, refusing to look at why it is so popular in today’s society.
It doesn’t come anywhere close to grappling with the main issues of WHY. There is so much that could be explored with the topic.
But instead it’s not art, it’s the scratching out the face of someone you don’t like in your yearbook by someone who thinks they are some kind of artist.
so why don't you have that conversation with someone? I would talk to you about it if it was something that mattered to me but I'm not a woman so I don't have any strong feelings about the subject one way or another
saying the exhibition sucks or that you don't like it is one thing but people need to learn to exchange dialogue without accusing the other side with extreme terminology. a nose manny on noses is pretty funny imo, and the artists explanation made sense to me honestly, and i've never ever hit or smacked a girl or anything like that either, so
Why should you be interested in how half the world thinks and feels? What your mom, sister, girlfriend, wife, and daughter has to deal with in this society?
I have no clue why you should care. And I don’t know how to convince you to if you haven’t figured it out by now.
Why bother looking into deeper issues and the roots of problems when we can just settle for surface controversy?
I’d have that conversation about women conforming to male ideals of beaut(and others) in society, but I think women artists and writers are already doing it much better than a dude like me ever could.
Besides, I deal with other issues in my works.
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The statement “art is stupid” is just demonstrating unwillingness to put any thought into it.
It’s like declaring books are dumb just because you don’t know how to read.
Sounds like something jocks would say.
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Art IS fucking stupid when it has some “message” embedded in it.
Give me a Kline, Pollock, Krasner, Rothko, a de Kooning, anything please. Something that makes me feel something on a, none political or social analysis type of way.
Even the best board graphics are just beautiful for their own sake. Not some message or funny joke. Although they can be great too.
In MY opinion, art for arts sake. Leave your message out of it.
If I wanted to be moved or get some perspective I will read a fucking book.
Also just yea, this
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Can we just photoshop some of the best “lame instagram posts by pros” onto this park and just call it a day?
All those artists you listed had ‘messages’ in their works.
They were explicitly making statements about what they think art is, sometimes criticisms about what art has traditionally been, and trying to progress the discussion.
Art always has a message. There is no ‘pure’ art. Even if it’s just about beauty and aesthetics.
Political art is just as valid, and doing the same thing, just in a different field.
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The message behind it is stupid, but the novelty is something. Would be down to skate that park.
If he has rights to the images used then what's the problem?
I know this may come as a shock, but it's possible to be an ignorant dork while still abiding by copyright laws.
Actual skateboarders are saying this encourages violence against women? I'm impressed by the conviction but give me a break.
Oh, shit, actual skateboarders? I thought we were talking holographic skaterboarders illuminated by laser light and finger flipping to primo in a Siberian bog were saying this encourages violence against women. My bad, I guess.
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Art IS fucking stupid when it has some “message” embedded in it.
Give me a Kline, Pollock, Krasner, Rothko, a de Kooning, anything please. Something that makes me feel something on a, none political or social analysis type of way.
Even the best board graphics are just beautiful for their own sake. Not some message or funny joke. Although they can be great too.
In MY opinion, art for arts sake. Leave your message out of it.
If I wanted to be moved or get some perspective I will read a fucking book.
Also just yea, this
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Can we just photoshop some of the best “lame instagram posts by pros” onto this park and just call it a day?
All those artists you listed had ‘messages’ in their works.
They were explicitly making statements about what they think art is, sometimes criticisms about what art has traditionally been, and trying to progress the discussion.
Art always has a message. There is no ‘pure’ art. Even if it’s just about beauty and aesthetics.
Political art is just as valid, and doing the same thing, just in a different field.
That's all I want and all I care about and what I try and create in my own stuff.
Sure they were responding, and expressing their own feelings, emotions and views, in way that can be perceived as a message.
Still each piece are their own individual work, with no words or anything to give a preconceived notion about it. Example, most are like "untitled #145". Their paintings just exist.
That's why i hate art "critiques" in general, they are all subject to interpretation. Its all silly. I am an artist myself. It is why I said: "In MY opinion, art for arts sake."
Anyone can disagree.
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Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Would be better with dick pics.
Nah buttcheeks and buttholes
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Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Would be better with dick pics.
Nah buttcheeks and buttholes
Titties and balls, bring it all on baby!
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I know he’s Berrics famous, but this is sick.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFD72KZhbcr/?igshid=yirplk74d9bi
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andres serrano could do a way cooler version of this
Hahaha, my ex put me on to his 'work' and was astounded when I said it was pretentious.
Also, good on Donovan for that and supporting a longtime Slap Pal!
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The message behind it is stupid, but the novelty is something. Would be down to skate that park.
If he has rights to the images used then what's the problem?
I know this may come as a shock, but it's possible to be an ignorant dork while still abiding by copyright laws.
Actual skateboarders are saying this encourages violence against women? I'm impressed by the conviction but give me a break.
Oh, shit, actual skateboarders? I thought we were talking holographic skaterboarders illuminated by laser light and finger flipping to primo in a Siberian bog were saying this encourages violence against women. My bad, I guess.
Way to miss the point but thank you for your big brained contribution. I don't want to encourage anyone to skate on the faces of women with botched surgery, which this exhibit clearly does. We have to stop Erik Kessels!
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The statement “art is stupid” is just demonstrating unwillingness to put any thought into it.
It’s like declaring books are dumb just because you don’t know how to read.
Sounds like something jocks would say.
Kinda
The big criticism of visual art since the late 19th century is that often times it's self indulgence disquised as big societal statements. An underrated thing about Jeff Koons' work is that he's asking if anything and everything is art if you frame it as such, then what makes a good artist? His giant sculture of play-doh is deep as fuck imo.
People who dismiss art as bullshit generally feel that the qualities of what makes a good artist are the same qualities needed to create a successful WWE character. Although I disagree with the sentiment, I find it more of a dismissal of pretentious than intellectual laziness.
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andres serrano could do a way cooler version of this
Hahaha, my ex put me on to his 'work' and was astounded when I said it was pretentious.
Also, good on Donovan for that and supporting a longtime Slap Pal!
Respect
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The statement “art is stupid” is just demonstrating unwillingness to put any thought into it.
It’s like declaring books are dumb just because you don’t know how to read.
Sounds like something jocks would say.
Kinda
The big criticism of visual art since the late 19th century is that often times it's self indulgence disquised as big societal statements. An underrated thing about Jeff Koons' work is that he's asking if anything and everything is art if you frame it as such, then what makes a good artist? His giant sculture of play-doh is deep as fuck imo.
People who dismiss art as bullshit generally feel that the qualities of what makes a good artist are the same qualities needed to create a successful WWE character. Although I disagree with the sentiment, I find it more of a dismissal of pretentious than intellectual laziness.
I think it’s both, like people feel an elitist barrier to the art world and therefore are like “fuck these douchebags.” Which is a valid response to the overwhelming pretense.
However there’s also the statement of “I don’t get art” when it’s actually very accessible and the only difference between an art historian and a non-art historian is vocabulary. But most people who don’t “get” art are simply not willing to take the time to think through what they see in a piece.
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Hahaha, my ex put me on to his 'work' and was astounded when I said it was pretentious.
Also, good on Donovan for that and supporting a longtime Slap Pal!
Shit’s so pretentious, literally close up pictures of shit and cum
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andres serrano could do a way cooler version of this
Hahaha, my ex put me on to his 'work' and was astounded when I said it was pretentious.
Also, good on Donovan for that and supporting a longtime Slap Pal!
Shit’s so pretentious, literally close up pictures of shit and cum
Yeah definitely pretentious but that doesn’t necessarily make it bad. He has a lot of work that is very aesthetically pleasing and captivating. This, on the other hand is so whatever, like what work did this guy put in for this?
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I don't get why he used a skatepark. Since the piece is supposed to be political, why not do it on the nose and place it at eg the entry area of a red light district or a strip club so that the faces are slowly worn away by the visitor's footsteps? What does skateboarding have to do with it? I'd say skating is among the 'sports' least likely to build up pressure for female 'athletes' to get plastic surgery. So I can only assume he chose it because it's cool and popular, which would be pretty lame given the purported seriousness of the piece.
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Goes without say that this is a lame thing to do, but I also think it's worth noting that if your "art" relies on algorithms in the first place, your art probably sucks.
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lmao, we live in a society type beat
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People can do as they like to their faces but I’ve yet to see any heavy face work the resulted in an improvement.
Saw that Go-Go’s documentary last week and was bummed out by the work Belinda had done. I miss that baby fat!
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The guy who came up with the concept for the Human Centipede movies is a Dutchman too. Just throwin that out there
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People can do as they like to their faces but I’ve yet to see any heavy face work the resulted in an improvement.
Saw that Go-Go’s documentary last week and was bummed out by the work Belinda had done. I miss that baby fat!
this...so natural and sexy...
...it's easy to forget that your girl was in The Germs, although i'd like to think that throughout the actual Go-Gos years, they still kept it pretty crust--i love this live performance in Berlin in the early 1980s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSvjhXX3ho
and Gina Shock is such an incredible drummer
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The guy who came up with the concept for the Human Centipede movies is a Dutchman too. Just throwin that out there
Hahaha, I heard he was super vague and borderline lied to the executive producers about the script to get it funded.
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People can do as they like to their faces but I’ve yet to see any heavy face work the resulted in an improvement.
Saw that Go-Go’s documentary last week and was bummed out by the work Belinda had done. I miss that baby fat!
this...so natural and sexy...
...it's easy to forget that your girl was in The Germs, although i'd like to think that throughout the actual Go-Gos years, they still kept it pretty crust--i love this live performance in Berlin in the early 1980s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSvjhXX3ho
and Gina Shock is such an incredible drummer
She seemed like a blast. Documentary also made me realize I slept on Kathy Valentine - she seemed to have been the coolest.
(https://i2.wp.com/www.iconvsicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Gogos-Kathy-Valentine-book-2020-featured.jpg?fit=825%2C590&ssl=1)
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People can do as they like to their faces but I’ve yet to see any heavy face work the resulted in an improvement.
Saw that Go-Go’s documentary last week and was bummed out by the work Belinda had done. I miss that baby fat!
this...so natural and sexy...
...it's easy to forget that your girl was in The Germs, although i'd like to think that throughout the actual Go-Gos years, they still kept it pretty crust--i love this live performance in Berlin in the early 1980s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSvjhXX3ho
and Gina Shock is such an incredible drummer
She seemed like a blast. Documentary also made me realize I slept on Kathy Valentine - she seemed to have been the coolest.
(https://i2.wp.com/www.iconvsicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Gogos-Kathy-Valentine-book-2020-featured.jpg?fit=825%2C590&ssl=1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3kQlzOi27M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQyazt4RDTM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CFRg-6MpIiG/?igshid=m0q511ocfz6k
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CFRg-6MpIiG/?igshid=m0q511ocfz6k
i'd rather talk about the Go-Gos
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Goes without say that this is a lame thing to do, but I also think it's worth noting that if your "art" relies on algorithms in the first place, your art probably sucks.
Random data mining is a whole school of thought in fine art. The thinking goes that there's an overwhelming amount of data floating around without immediate context and that can be recontextualized to spark a dialog about the phenomenon itself. Totally valid area of interest but if you're just saying "Siri, find me pics of fucked up lady faces" you're probably a bad artist.