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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: fulfillthedream on December 22, 2020, 06:03:30 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CJEXJ2XlW70/
id be willing to try them. anyone currently using risers?
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I don’t but if it’s made by deluxe might as well never get wheel bite again. I ride Venture His 52s.
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T, V, U?
Thunder, Venture, Universal?
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If it cuts down on the dead feel of plastic risers it should be a good product.
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T, V, U?
Thunder, Venture, Universal?
I was wondering about that too, but that sounds like it’s right.
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Why are these branded real and not just DLX? To align with real wood or the brand name?
Need to know if universal fits Ace
Already up and sold out
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/real-skateboards-3-ply-risers-18-175-5936554442915/
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Why are these branded real and not just DLX? To align with real wood or the brand name?
Need to know if universal fits Ace
Already up and sold out
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/real-skateboards-3-ply-risers-18-175-5936554442915/
I'l let you know Thursday. I have some Thunder and Universal on the way.
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I can't imagine the soggyness feel if they get wet when your board rolls into a puddle.
If the plys are untreated, I wonder if a coat of lacquer would help or just defeat the purpose.
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Why are these branded real and not just DLX? To align with real wood or the brand name?
Need to know if universal fits Ace
Already up and sold out
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/real-skateboards-3-ply-risers-18-175-5936554442915/
$8 for riser pads?? I get wood costs more, but also what problem do they solve to justify buying over plastic risers?
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Why are these branded real and not just DLX? To align with real wood or the brand name?
Need to know if universal fits Ace
Already up and sold out
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/real-skateboards-3-ply-risers-18-175-5936554442915/
$8 for riser pads?? I get wood costs more, but also what problem do they solve to justify buying over plastic risers?
They look cooler and they're not made of plastic
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Why are these branded real and not just DLX? To align with real wood or the brand name?
Need to know if universal fits Ace
Already up and sold out
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/real-skateboards-3-ply-risers-18-175-5936554442915/
$8 for riser pads?? I get wood costs more, but also what problem do they solve to justify buying over plastic risers?
Plastic risers make your board go thud. It deadens ur shit. The theory is that wood will feel like you have no risers except for the added height. You could maker risers out of aluminum, or make a tall base plate. I agree that $8.00 a set is steep, but risers are molded and the wood ones have to be cut and drilled. They are probably making by hand until they determine if there is a market and then automation should come in and maybe the price will drop.
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i saw on ville westers ig that he was using metal riser pads, looked like an extra baseplate on his trucks
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$8 for riser pads?? I get wood costs more, but also what problem do they solve to justify buying over plastic risers?
Looks to me like they are doing them to perfectly fit under the baseplates of Thunder and Venture, no overhang, which so far I have not been able to find via plastic risers. This will be much cleaner, dissipate energy in a way more similar to the non-riser setup because it is metal against wood, and also be better for noseslides because no overhang.
I'm assuming their "universal" one is geared towards Indy baseplates, so should be little or no overhang.
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$8 for riser pads?? I get wood costs more, but also what problem do they solve to justify buying over plastic risers?
Looks to me like they are doing them to perfectly fit under the baseplates of Thunder and Venture, no overhang, which so far I have not been able to find via plastic risers. This will be much cleaner, dissipate energy in a way more similar to the non-riser setup because it is metal against wood, and also be better for noseslides because no overhang.
I'm assuming their "universal" one is geared towards Indy baseplates, so should be little or no overhang.
But you need the lil plastic bit to hang over the edge to give you that tensor effect
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i saw on ville westers ig that he was using metal riser pads, looked like an extra baseplate on his trucks
tough to see exactly
(https://i.ibb.co/3Rh6WMM/40987-E40-ED9-E-429-B-A745-7-FE5-B2-B0-B680.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3Rh6WMM)
(https://i.ibb.co/DrVFcmg/7-D5169-DB-6-D42-44-FB-969-D-E81137-F8-EA51.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DrVFcmg)
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Was thinking about grabbing these, but will wait till I see them in store next year. I personally like soft-ish risers, and don’t notice too much energy loss.
Jay_Nev, prestige skate shop in Boise has some, and it says the Universals fit ace.
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I don’t even ride risers anymore yet I’m interested in these. Hope they become a regular product in the lineup
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It looks more like the ones listed as Venture are more Universal, as they have either option and would fit well under slightly moved bolts like Ace trucks. Venture are totally set to the end, which would be more the six hole plates.
Happy for someone to tell me otherwise, but just looking at the hole pattern and placement with the different trucks, it would seem that is the case.
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i saw on ville westers ig that he was using metal riser pads, looked like an extra baseplate on his trucks
(https://i.ibb.co/3Rh6WMM/40987-E40-ED9-E-429-B-A745-7-FE5-B2-B0-B680.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3Rh6WMM)
(https://i.ibb.co/DrVFcmg/7-D5169-DB-6-D42-44-FB-969-D-E81137-F8-EA51.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DrVFcmg)
I have some old silver risers from Destructo that look exactly like those. Just normal plastic too.
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i saw on ville westers ig that he was using metal riser pads, looked like an extra baseplate on his trucks
(https://i.ibb.co/3Rh6WMM/40987-E40-ED9-E-429-B-A745-7-FE5-B2-B0-B680.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3Rh6WMM)
(https://i.ibb.co/DrVFcmg/7-D5169-DB-6-D42-44-FB-969-D-E81137-F8-EA51.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DrVFcmg)
I have some old silver risers from Destructo that look exactly like those. Just normal plastic too.
he answered in a q&a on his insta that he was running metal ones
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The people complaining about them being $8 dollars... wtf?
It’s less than lunch for something that doesn’t wear out and you can keep for years.
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Looks like they have some here
https://www.prestigeskateboards.com/products/real-riser-3-ply-1-8-venture-riser
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Looks like they have some here
https://www.prestigeskateboards.com/products/real-riser-3-ply-1-8-venture-riser
universal product description says - Fits Independent and ACE Trucks
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Bobby Dekeyzer was running these (or something just like them) back when they dropped that Spitfire collaboration last year. Looks like they fit Thunder plates perfectly.
https://spitfirewheels.com/bobby-dekeyzer-twostroke/img/bobby-dekeyzer-006.jpg
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he answered in a q&a on his insta that he was running metal ones
Nice!
They look crazily torn up on the outer end though, so makes me wonder what kind of stuff he is getting into.
In looking at the pics again, I see from the close up he has new everything except the risers, so his old board is most likely smashed and grinded to nothing.
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Somewhere I saw Tiago running like nickels or quarters as riser pads. I’m pretty sure it was a video someone posted on slap.
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That’s a cool idea but personally I like my semi floppy plastic rubber risers. The ones that feel and smell like car tires.
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Frank explains them with many details here:
https://youtu.be/meIdJViNYTc
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Kinda cool, but I feel like even cheap plastic risers will hold up longer than wood ones. It's rad that now there's a fixed hole riser that will fit thunders perfectly.
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Somewhere I saw Tiago running like nickels or quarters as riser pads. I’m pretty sure it was a video someone posted on slap.
Weren't they bearings?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg2684925#msg2684925
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
I back these tho, recycled wood, probably better board feel over plastic. I'd be worried about bolt holes widening tho. Curious where the need is coming from tho.
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Somewhere I saw Tiago running like nickels or quarters as riser pads. I’m pretty sure it was a video someone posted on slap.
Weren't they bearings?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg2684925#msg2684925
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
I back these tho, recycled wood, probably better board feel over plastic. I'd be worried about bolt holes widening tho. Curious where the need is coming from tho.
not tiago
http://hunterspointsb.blogspot.com/2011/08/zaroshs-set-up.html
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Z-roller magic on the gerwer and tail slides.
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Frank explains them with many details here:
https://youtu.be/meIdJViNYTc
why even bother
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Now your riser pads can get pressure cracks along with your board!
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OK. The Thunder riser pads fit Thunders perfectly. The Universal leave a mm or two sticking out of the front of the baseplate. Probably not enough to really interfere with nose and tail slides though. I'll take photos if anyone really cares to see.
Also these pads do come in at about 1/8". Maybe every so slightly taller than a standard plastic Bones or Indy 1/8" riser. Mostly negligible.
I cannot comment on how they improve performance or 'feel' yet.
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OK. The Thunder riser pads fit Thunders perfectly. The Universal leave a mm or two sticking out of the front of the baseplate. Probably not enough to really interfere with nose and tail slides though. I'll take photos if anyone really cares to see.
Also these pads do come in at about 1/8". Maybe every so slightly taller than a standard plastic Bones or Indy 1/8" riser. Mostly negligible.
I cannot comment on how they improve performance or 'feel' yet.
The universal leaves 1-2mm in front of what baseplates? Thunder, or Ace? Pics are always nice.
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OK. The Thunder riser pads fit Thunders perfectly. The Universal leave a mm or two sticking out of the front of the baseplate. Probably not enough to really interfere with nose and tail slides though. I'll take photos if anyone really cares to see.
Also these pads do come in at about 1/8". Maybe every so slightly taller than a standard plastic Bones or Indy 1/8" riser. Mostly negligible.
I cannot comment on how they improve performance or 'feel' yet.
Most curious about ace fitament. And how they work in general. Seem like a cool idea
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I luv dlx. I wish I had some.
I'm definitely going to score ASAP
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I’ve made the same thing and can confirm they don’t feel any different from plastic.
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OK. The Thunder riser pads fit Thunders perfectly. The Universal leave a mm or two sticking out of the front of the baseplate. Probably not enough to really interfere with nose and tail slides though. I'll take photos if anyone really cares to see.
Also these pads do come in at about 1/8". Maybe every so slightly taller than a standard plastic Bones or Indy 1/8" riser. Mostly negligible.
I cannot comment on how they improve performance or 'feel' yet.
Most curious about ace fitament. And how they work in general. Seem like a cool idea
That is why I thought the Universal was more just Indy (but of course they wouldn't say for Indy), which would also fit Venture really well but the one listed as Venture has the elongated holes which would be better suited to Ace, Theeve, etc (again wouldn't say specific brands) with a more end offset to middle placement, from looking at those truck baseplates and comparing them to the pics from the instagram post, but of course I could be wrong.
I did up a diagram with baseplate holes to show the various positions, for which all other brands are in one of these, Universal 6, Indy 6 hole, Indy 4 hole, Venture, Ace, Theeve, Thunder.
(https://i.ibb.co/YbTHbXL/Baseplates.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YbTHbXL)
From that, the Real risers would go as follows:
U - Indy 4 and 6, Venture
V - Ace, Theeve (maybe Venture)
T - Thunder
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Threw these on my 149 thunders, and it felt weird
Without risers they feel really responsive and loose, but with the risers on they have a really delayed turning feel
Put some washers on with stock bushings instead of the stock rings, and didn't notice much difference
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Threw these on my 149 thunders, and it felt weird
Without risers they feel really responsive and loose, but with the risers on they have a really delayed turning feel
Put some washers on with stock bushings instead of the stock rings, and didn't notice much difference
Def. It goes away tho
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Threw these on my 149 thunders, and it felt weird
Without risers they feel really responsive and loose, but with the risers on they have a really delayed turning feel
Put some washers on with stock bushings instead of the stock rings, and didn't notice much difference
Def. It goes away tho
Good to know - what bushings are you using? Wondering if that will make a difference.
My other setups have the loosey goosey feel
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Threw these on my 149 thunders, and it felt weird
Without risers they feel really responsive and loose, but with the risers on they have a really delayed turning feel
Put some washers on with stock bushings instead of the stock rings, and didn't notice much difference
Interesting, I find risers loosen things up and deepen the turn as you have more leverage over the truck. I really like the way 1/8" risers destabilize Thunders.
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Somewhere I saw Tiago running like nickels or quarters as riser pads. I’m pretty sure it was a video someone posted on slap.
Weren't they bearings?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg2684925#msg2684925
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfXF1wWJdo/Tk34Cdc9bbI/AAAAAAAAA5U/jDBZtJ1Alkw/s1600/4156.jpg)
I back these tho, recycled wood, probably better board feel over plastic. I'd be worried about bolt holes widening tho. Curious where the need is coming from tho.
That’s gotta be what I’m thinking of.
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Oh yeah
(https://i.ibb.co/Wp1TCn0/8-F9-E11-EA-3-A62-478-E-8-ACF-DEA3-CDD7237-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wp1TCn0)
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Oh yeah
(https://i.ibb.co/Wp1TCn0/8-F9-E11-EA-3-A62-478-E-8-ACF-DEA3-CDD7237-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wp1TCn0)
Ooh boy they look good. I am still tryna find some universals for my Indy 215 setup. I waited too long with them in my shopping cart on SoCal Skateshop website before they sold out.
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Any other shops besides socal carrying the 3 ply risers?
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Any other shops besides socal carrying the 3 ply risers?
Parade has them
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Any other shops besides socal carrying the 3 ply risers?
Parade has them
@slutonparade thank you
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Any other shops besides socal carrying the 3 ply risers?
Parade has them
@slutonparade thank you
Energy skate shop, Florida is the stock holder, just in case you didn't want to go through Parade.
https://energyskateshop.com/collections/hardware/products/real-risers-1-8
I am not in the US so don't know if people are keen on or not keen on Parade, or whether the shop needs to pay commission to Parade, but they have all three options in stock, currently:
Universal x 97
Thunder x 66
Venture x 30
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Deluxe made Stiffies aluminum 1/4" risers way back when, before Venture changed the hole pattern. Late 80s/early 90s I think. They were super light, and extended beyond the baseplate on each side:
(https://i.imgur.com/2OcHfH7.jpg)
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https://www.rockler.com/1-8-baltic-birch-plywood
You could make these with a pocket knife if you really want a pair.
Plus it's cheaper
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Threw these on my 149 thunders, and it felt weird
Without risers they feel really responsive and loose, but with the risers on they have a really delayed turning feel
Put some washers on with stock bushings instead of the stock rings, and didn't notice much difference
Interesting you say that. I just set mine up on Thunder 149s on Saturday and it made my trucks feel way looser with a wider turn radius. I think I'll need a couple more sessions before I make an overall judgement but my first impression was positive. My ollies felt nice and it felt very nice to sit on coping.
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Any of you guys try these with Ventures? I'm looking to confirm that they sit flush with the outsides of the baseplate, before I buy some.
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https://www.rockler.com/1-8-baltic-birch-plywood
You could make these with a pocket knife if you really want a pair.
Plus it's cheaper
Except that baltic birch is MUCH softer than maple, and they often use even less dense material for the center ply. Risers out of that would make your board feel dead, kill some pop. Also LOL @ "make these with a pocket knife"... that would be very time consuming, going back over and over the traced outline of the baseplate, in order to cut through plywood with a knife, even if it is very soft.
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Had a few days on them so far. Skating thunder 149s and idk if it’s in my head but they make noseslides and tailslides easier. They also arnt that thick they look more like 2mm when u tighten them down.
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(https://i.imgur.com/T9EDHSWm.jpg)
more shock pad vs. riser, but this is a handy option.
$5 at home depot or hardware store. 2 sheets in a pack. cut out enough for 8 pads
only 1.5 mm thick. lessens the pressure cracks. keeps them bolts from rattlin'
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The Ventures fit exact.
I clear coated mine.
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The Ventures fit exact.
I clear coated mine.
Awesome thanks man!
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Tempted to try these with my Thunder team hollows to avoid wheelbite since I use conical fulls. Worth it?
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Tempted to try these with my Thunder team hollows to avoid wheelbite since I use conical fulls. Worth it?
I would say yes, but I would always have some added height on Thunders.
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What mm conical full @Reed Richards ?
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What mm conical full @Reed Richards ?
I ride 56mm conical fulls on Thunders, so you know wheelbite and I were not strangers. Threw these on the other day, problem solved. Pop is not dulled like you get with traditional risers.
Edit: I ride 149's and my risers did not fit exactly flush with the baseplate. Anybody else notice this?
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I ride 56mm conical fulls on Thunders, so you know wheelbite and I were not strangers. Threw these on the other day, problem solved. Pop is not dulled like you get with traditional risers.
Edit: I ride 149's and my risers did not fit exactly flush with the baseplate. Anybody else notice this?
Mine are not perfectly flush either
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What mm conical full @Reed Richards ?
54mm, they're the ember ones that came out in the summer.
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Wait so these don’t fit flush? Thunders don’t match up to thunder baseplate and venture the same? Anyone have a pic to show?
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My Thunder risers stick out by a literal couple of hairs. If it were any smaller I would consider that a fatal design flaw.
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Just checked. My Thunder Risers line up perfectly with Thunder 151s with Team (cast) plates. No photo but the nose and tail sit flush. Riser does stick out toward center but that's not a problem at all.
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My Thunder risers stick out by a literal couple of hairs. If it were any smaller I would consider that a fatal design flaw.
didn’t think so! Might grab a set once everything thaws and it’s time to skate again
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in case anyone is wondering--the misc/other ones fit perfect on Indys
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Wondering if you can split the plies and turn these into a 1 and/or 2-ply option......
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Wondering if you can split the plies and turn these into a 1 and/or 2-ply option......
Interesting idea... I might have to try that.
But I'm a little worried, since usually skateboard plies are cross-laminated, with odd numbers of plies to make it strong and have the length-oriented grain plies on top and bottom. Having an exposed width-oriented grain ply, in a 2 ply situation, might make it weaker
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Wondering if you can split the plies and turn these into a 1 and/or 2-ply option......
Interesting idea... I might have to try that.
But I'm a little worried, since usually skateboard plies are cross-laminated, with odd numbers of plies to make it strong and have the length-oriented grain plies on top and bottom. Having an exposed width-oriented grain ply, in a 2 ply situation, might make it weaker
You get a chance to try it? ...It is just a riser in this case, so not like you really need the strength you would if it were a deck. I feel like the height of the stock riser is just a bit much for me. I just might have to get a set and try it out.
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Ace AF1 on Universal : Sticks out a bit towards the nose/tale with substantial truck overhang toward the rails.
(https://i.imgur.com/TX24wQJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uyXyxLX.jpg)
Indy (forged baseplate) on Universal : Fits great with just a little bit of the riser showing all around the baseplate. They should have named the Universal "Indy".
(https://i.imgur.com/ds8CVCS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3c1Nv7y.jpg)
Thunder (forged baseplate) on Thunder (duh) : Fits great with just a small portion sticking out from the baseplate. Much less sticking out than with the official Thunder plastic risers. I notice the most difference on Thunders with these risers. Helps get a deeper more carvy turn (Riptide's help that too) while avoiding instant wheelbite and alleviating that dead feeling from plastic risers.
(https://i.imgur.com/h46TzVb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jy9mXs1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CloLDjp.jpg)
No idea how long they will last but I hope they keep making these as they are so much better feeling than plastic. Also, I have several sets and noticed that since they're hand-made with wood there's a few small small inconsistencies. Some corners are slightly rounder than others, one side may stick out a fraction more than other etc. Overall though they're pretty uniform in fit, no drastic issues like mis-drilled holes, delamination or anything like that.
In regard to the person asking if they can be separated. I do not see a way to do that without destroying them. They're glued and pressed just like a deck, not made to ever come apart.
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On my 4th or 5th deck using the same thunder risers on 149s and they are still holding up great. I didn’t clear coat them or anything either.
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I shaved off a few mm of the Venture version and sanded them clean to fit my Ace. They don't feel any different to the usual 1/8"plastic risers i usually use but it is nice the use less plastic. They might be the tiniest bit higher.
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QC on wooden risers? Haha...
Oh man.
I found they all fit the trucks they were advertised for really well. If you want to avoid plastic they are a great option. They work just as well. Can't say they 'feel' any different but I dig 'em and would recommend them.
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considering you can sand or "perfect" the imperfections yourself, thats pretty nice. Makes me wonder how they work when stacked ontop of each other to give some "idealistic" board feel in a 1/4" orientation.
The board feel mattered to me the most, got two pairs of ventures for two one on 8.38 159s and 8.8 shaped.
At first this wasnt much of an aspect of consideration to me. Riding my typical 99a SFW conical full wheel on 52 and 54mm.
Then i got another popsicle to run the 159 indys i normally ride on, so i could take them off the 8.8 to try/run the 6.1s on it.
Got 56mm conical full wheels bc of that epic contact patch. But 101a F4. The hardness difference between the F4 101a and the classic 99a blend was pretty nutty, the way they felt riding over the same corners/carves, or hip transfers/transitions the bumps how much speed you could feel/manipulate on 101a.
Imo the wood risers are way better than bones in that regard. I never noticed the surface/ and mild changes/bumps in transition especially mid carve or landing transfers. until i rode 101a which i was holding out on for the longest time bc a lot of my local parks have slick crete. I mean 101a just makes riding on the sidewalk/street that much more of a raw experience. The wood risers help retain this overall feeling especially when trying to ollie speed bumps etc or curb cuts. You feel more board, when i was on the plastic risers i felt my bushings a lot more. The wood risers make your setup feel more complete.
If you enjoy skating really fast and notice slight differences in your setup like wheel size/height/truck hanger height etc.....
main reason i think these "came out" of dlx or etc...is probably from the majority of riders swapping from standards to forged base plates and the height variation to them/their skating paired with trying to adapt bigger wheels or looser kingpin nuts... the only way to really replicate the pop/turn angles of standards be it indy/venture/thunder vs forged baseplate height..would be risers from wheelbite/big wheel pairings to just overall turn-ability and bushing combinations.
6.1 kader standards with bones hard flat top washer, real venture risers on 8.38 54mm SFW 99a conical full.
6.1 standards stock bushings(yellow) 8.8 real venture risers 56mm 101 conical full.
159 stage x standards 52mm 99a SFW Soon to be 57mm radial fulls on risers...with an 8.38 twin tail.
the 58mm 95a natas Oj re-issues, and the 57mm radial full and conical full sizes have me interested in gluing/bonding two of these 1/8th inch wood risers into home made 1/4th inch bound risers then just sand them down to a perfect consistent pair.
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Just stack them. I don't think you need to glue them. But let us know how it goes.