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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: rocklobster on February 07, 2021, 02:38:08 AM
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Hi pals, wanted to get your opinions on a counterfeit gear thread / sub-section within Shoes & Gear.
We are still dealing with gear shortages in 2021 following 2020's lockdowns. Counterfeiters have become more active on online platforms with products of dubious quality. While it was mostly Bones bearings in the past, this has extended to Spitfire wheels, Baker / Girl / Chocolate / Toy Machine / Foundation decks and Independent / Venture trucks. There have also been reported instances of brick and mortar shops selling counterfeits as genuine; you can read the comments on Ben Degros' video on. While the Western Hemisphere has mostly seen only fake Bones bearings, the Eastern Hemisphere has seen a large influx of counterfeits and it's my belief that it's a matter of time before it spreads globally.
At the same time, some members have expressed displeasure at discussing counterfeits on Shoes & Gear. I understand; let's keep the gear talk on the genuine stuff, spend our money with core shops / brands and not adding to the counterfeiters pockets in any way. This is not an endorsement of counterfeits, it's about educating members on what and who to avoid. It's about keeping skateboarding for skateboarders.
Hence, the poll to see how to best implement a thread that is informative and respectful to everyone's online space. Also, comment what you would like to see covered, or rules that posters should follow to keep the
The possible objective of the thread / sub-forum will be as follows:
1) How to spot fake skate gear
2) Fake gear tests - not as an endorsement of counterfeits
3) Links to other skaters who have posted videos / social media on counterfeits
4) Personal experiences with counterfeits
5) (open to suggestion)
Thing we would want to avoid:
1) Directly naming & shaming sellers, unless they are blatant counterfeiters like those on eBay, Aliexpress or Amazon
2) (open to suggestions here)
Thanks everyone!
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I would propose to put up pics and links to clarify what fake product looks like, which in turn makes it easier to identify fakes and help people stay away from it.
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Sounds good to me, it's also a loyal service to the skate industry. And to us, the consumers.
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There was YouTube video from bones that had Vern and dudes from skate one in it a few years ago talking about fake Swiss.
https://youtu.be/ndoSXeyJbk8
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Counterfeit skate product is a part of skate history. There were counterfeit boards in the 80s boom. With fake hosoi and Tony boards.
The early 2000s had counterfeit bam boards, but more so just a lot of rip off of popular styles
Information from threads like the woodshop directory get regurgitated on other parts of the internet. So collecting information about identifying fakes in one place will probably also spread and be beneficial.
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Guys, if you want your eyes to bleed check "mad rats brazil"
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Guys, if you want your eyes to bleed check "mad rats brazil"
At least they don't specifically say they are selling Wans, which is what we called wanna be Vans, compared to some other places which have their entire online store filled with fake product.
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when i was 14 i asked for some janoskis as a birthday gift and my ma promptly went online to find the cheapest janoskis and ended up buying a fake pair from china with "srefan janoski" on the tongue.
skated alright
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This reminded me of that I have a lot of fake Arsenal jerseys
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Ben Degros just uploaded a video yesterday about this:
https://youtu.be/5_0S1Ps4kCk
There's skating in it, also sp scrub around to get what you want out of it.
He doesn't go in to all of the tell-tale signs for spotting fakes but shares some photos for comparison and reinforces the position to buy from actual skate shops/retailers certified to sell the product.
Alongside sharing what gear is counterfeit, we should also use this thread as a data receptacle for the various sites/types of sellers on them that may be counterfeit pushers, whether they know they're selling fakes or not. I know that contradicts one of OP's points to avoid, but IDing them helps us avoid them and we can tell others to avoid them as well.
Some legit people get duped when they see highly sought after gear for a good price, but don't verify source or WHY it's that cheap sometimes. They're running businesses or broke so making money/keeping it is a priority during a pandemic. I'm probably stating the obvious here, but still, it's important.
One of my personal habits on Amazon (when I used it, I no longer have it) was only buying an occasional pair of skate shoes (if I couldn't find my size anywhere else/sales when in a pinch) or some clothes, never actual skateboard products. Skate shops always deserve that money first and can be verified as the real thing. Amazon sellers could have fakes and/or undercut the actual shops with real/fake gear competitively/conveniently priced. Side story... I was in a Boarders skate shop over a year ago and was gripping a deck I bought and some college student was getting back into skating after years of never touching a board and wanted a hybrid to cruise and kind of skate on while in campus. It hurt to see this dude go back and forth with the employee about "oh I can get these wheels or bearings cheaper on Amazon" It bugged the fuck out of me. The employee and I both tried to respectfully inform him that the shop has the gear right now and it's legit but if you go on Amazon, you don't know if the quality is there plus you have to wait to finish setting it up once it arrives daysss from now. He was free to shop elsewhere to set his board up but the disrespect to tell that to the employee was fucked up, in my opinion.
Sorry for rambling on haha! Hope my post was somewhat useful to any who read it!
Thanks for setting this thread up, I think it has good potential!
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The worst board I ever skated was made in china, it was a girl board.
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I think it would be helpful for us consumers to have listings of businesses that burned us and/or telltale product disparities. Good idea, @rocklobster
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I voted for stickied topic. If Amazon etc can’t/won’t protect consumers it’s up to us to help each other at least until the supply line starts coming into back into line.
I live in a major city and my local shop is only doing online. So there’s definitely large swaths of people doing online ordering to find stuff their shop is out of and counterfeiters prey on them which is unfair. We should all be ordering from locals anyway but with this squeeze on, nobody should get taken advantage of just for wanting to get out and skate
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This reminded me of that I have a lot of fake Arsenal jerseys
I have 2 of them, they are pretty good! coyg
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I'm not sure why anyone would oppose this being a regular/stickied thread. when I do buy shit from some online vendor, which is pretty rare, I wanna be better informed about what might be bogus. thanks rock lobster
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Thanks for the input everyone, I'll leave this thread open for a bit more to gather any additional feedback. Thereafter I will create stickied thread stating the post guidelines.
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Brining this topic back since apparently down here in Chile there are a lot of fake indys and spitfires. I mean, a "forged" Indy with only hollow kingping ( solid axle) and white bushings must be fake af
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Brining this topic back since apparently down here in Chile there are a lot of fake indys and spitfires. I mean, a "forged" Indy with only hollow kingping ( solid axle) and white bushings must be fake af
Usually all in 139s too, unless someone realised that trucks actually come in different sizes.
Some people on ebay have been trying to sell Indy trucks, Spitfire wheels and Bones bearings. Most usually get shut down fairly quickly but a few are still up, even after reporting them for fake product.
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I wouldn’t recommend using the internet for anything
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Brining this topic back since apparently down here in Chile there are a lot of fake indys and spitfires. I mean, a "forged" Indy with only hollow kingping ( solid axle) and white bushings must be fake af
Usually all in 139s too, unless someone realised that trucks actually come in different sizes.
Some people on ebay have been trying to sell Indy trucks, Spitfire wheels and Bones bearings. Most usually get shut down fairly quickly but a few are still up, even after reporting them for fake product.
Don't start talking about counterfeit skate goods without tagging me @Mbrimson88!
I'll add some new stuff I've seen on the web, mostly from Alibaba:
Decks
Element - team decks and old pro graphics (Chad Timtim, Darrell Staton, Levi Brown), all missing the PS Stix and BBS top engravings
Zero - come with the "Made in China" engraving with old graphics
Baker - logo and pro boards, 8.0 decks with steep concaves even those its the OG shape
Crailtap - "blank" Pop Secret decks, comes in 8 / 8.25, 93 Til deck series, missing top markings but with cardboard inserts, stickers and GXXX shape stickers
DGK - mid 2020's graphics, top marking with width / length / wheelbase but not in the BBS style, popular during 2020's drought but still some floating about
Santa Cruz - Screaming Hand and Floral Decay graphics, dimensions do not tally with those listed on the website
Wheels
Spitfire - Conical Full Red / Blue in 52mm, Radial Slims (Speed Kills / Venomous) 54mm, Classics Green Swirl 52mm, ancient pro model graphics from the late 2010s, the quality of counterfeits have definitely gotten closer to the real stuff in terms of urethane color, early batches were milky white and now to a sickly yellow
Bearings
Bones - Reds, Super Reds, Swiss, hardest to detect visually
Griptape
Mob - very thin compared to regular Mob, missing @mobgrip, #mobgrip and "Made in Taiwan" on the backing sheet, makes sense since China doesn't recognize Taiwan's independence (maybe)
Trucks
Independent - usually in 139 size and hollow kingpin, Independent only does hollow kingpin + axle in forged / cast, white / red bushings instead of the usual orange but this depends on models
Venture - 5.2 P-Rod Titanium, sticker at the bottom of the baseplate has reversed production dates, production dates are DD/MM/YYYY instead of MM/DD/YYYY
Thunder - 5.0 Lights, 1 size only
Hardware
Independent - Thrasher logo on the bag, probably the easiest to counterfeit and the hardest to detect
Fake skate stuff is definitely still floating around on ebay, Aliexpress and local shopping platforms. Even going to a physical shop can be sketchy, I've heard of some shops mixing their genuine stuff with fakes for stuff like Bones bearings and Spitfire wheels.
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Don't start talking about counterfeit skate goods without tagging me @Mbrimson88!
Ha yeah of course!
To add to your list:
I have also seen from the same sellers that I know have fake stuff so stands to reason these are fake too:
Bones red ceramics and Bones swiss ceramics - it would be funny to get those and see they have shiny metal balls inside them.
Another seller with lots of generic product on ebay AU that also has Spitfire radial slim wheels (in conical shape) and Indy Joslin trucks that have Forged Hollow tags but clearly the baseplates are standards (as per other pics I had of the bottom of the baseplates not shown), with hollow kingpin and axles, as per pics below:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7bEAAOSwjXtfm5Ue/s-l500.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nYIAAOSwjmFfm5d-/s-l500.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wEEAAOSwbLxfvcUd/s-l500.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gsIAAOSw2tFgb4cP/s-l1600.jpg)
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Uncle I don’t know your slap name, but I thought these were great post
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNh_R1Dl7DF/?utm_medium=copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMZYIJ8BWZ_/?utm_medium=copy_link
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The blue Reynolds are a fake classic.
(https://i.imgur.com/52qOjbkl.jpg)
Also this ones never "existed" right?
(https://i.imgur.com/3BWDMCvl.jpg)
I'm not even wasting time on that plastic wrap on those "swiss"
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Also this ones never "existed" right?
The wrap is supposed to be a beer can and was around the "Brewed to Burn" wheels from 2015 and there are some pretty good images if you google Spitfire Brewed to Burn.
Here is the most recent listing (has to be very old or fake) from a shop I have not seen before under that search - exactly what you were talking about:
http://www.codiceskateshop.com/ruedas-skate-spitfire-brewed-to-burn-26905
Check out this listing of the whole carton of genuine wheels:
https://www.noteshop.co.uk/products/spitfire-brewed-to-burn-12-pack
See this post from me for more info on the genuine Brewed to Burn wheels:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQDEqTwFdEJ/
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Not sure if anyone's mentioned but wheels that are made in USA are obviously not shipped to the east and then offered back to the west at really good prices.
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Here's all these goods mentioned above on this FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/theothersidestudios/photos/ms.c.eJxFy8ENwEAIA8GOotiY4~_i~;sTyswHe0yxZSgA6QRT38gXUZjYFoqd~_8C15ywQsH6KUXvJwFLzEAF~;UBJp4enA~-~-.bps.a.2553824871554022/2941541146115724/
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/199559912_2941541156115723_4974304387605099628_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=gbkcRhi79XEAX93nUKk&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=c22937ceb89707a729c0956557b9e61c&oe=60CB358B)
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197441105_2941541166115722_2013889511356382682_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=lsABa8bvrZYAX9cbB_n&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=f9dda3b9e3e2f7bf77f6ad00cf5c6419&oe=60CCC5EF)
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Here's all these goods mentioned above on this FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/theothersidestudios/photos/ms.c.eJxFy8ENwEAIA8GOotiY4~_i~;sTyswHe0yxZSgA6QRT38gXUZjYFoqd~_8C15ywQsH6KUXvJwFLzEAF~;UBJp4enA~-~-.bps.a.2553824871554022/2941541146115724/
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/199559912_2941541156115723_4974304387605099628_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=gbkcRhi79XEAX93nUKk&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=c22937ceb89707a729c0956557b9e61c&oe=60CB358B)
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197441105_2941541166115722_2013889511356382682_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=lsABa8bvrZYAX9cbB_n&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=f9dda3b9e3e2f7bf77f6ad00cf5c6419&oe=60CCC5EF)
I would guess 80% of the stuff on there isn't genuine, aside from the locally branded decks. I've seen people ride the fake Baker boards and they perform decently if this was your first board and none the wiser about board quality. Experienced riders who skate more than flatground have reported delaminations and plys splitting apart after skating small gaps.
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I've heard of and seen one of the Girl Pop decks having the top layer peel clean off.
and the F4's with the snake logo come in a pack with all heads printed on them. AFAIK it's suppose to be 1 head and 3 bodies?
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This thread is fascinating. Keep up the good work!
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I've heard of and seen one of the Girl Pop decks having the top layer peel clean off.
and the F4's with the snake logo come in a pack with all heads printed on them. AFAIK it's suppose to be 1 head and 3 bodies?
That is definitely a good sign of fake wheels (and that ebay seller had pics of all heads before changing to packaged pics).
Yep, one head only per set from the Spitfire site:
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/radial-slim-wheels.png)
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Here's all these goods mentioned above on this FB page:
I would guess 80% of the stuff on there isn't genuine, aside from the locally branded decks. I've seen people ride the fake Baker boards and they perform decently if this was your first board and none the wiser about board quality. Experienced riders who skate more than flatground have reported delaminations and plys splitting apart after skating small gaps.
Gallery from Instagram posts or something:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2553824871554022&type=3
Not sure if this comes up for you guys, but this is the whole pic gallery for that place from Feb 2020, which looks like legit product, but I guess they fell off the genuine product wagon when everything dried up because some stock put up from around Sep 2020 and definitely everything within the last few months looks 100% fake.
Example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spitfire-Wheels-Daewon-Song-Burner/dp/B07DRHGNFC
Anyone remember these wheels?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5167GnviDCL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
They were from 2018, Daewon Song pro classics, but this pic is from today...
(https://scontent.fbne5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/201398291_2941541159449056_1356166021568493042_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=wdwpaU3iHcsAX86SEUd&_nc_ht=scontent.fbne5-1.fna&oh=fe4845bb17bb1259c0ecaaf0af3af8cc&oe=60CCCE1F)
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Here's all these goods mentioned above on this FB page:
I would guess 80% of the stuff on there isn't genuine, aside from the locally branded decks. I've seen people ride the fake Baker boards and they perform decently if this was your first board and none the wiser about board quality. Experienced riders who skate more than flatground have reported delaminations and plys splitting apart after skating small gaps.
Gallery from Instagram posts or something:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2553824871554022&type=3
Not sure if this comes up for you guys, but this is the whole pic gallery for that place from Feb 2020, which looks like legit product, but I guess they fell off the genuine product wagon when everything dried up because some stock put up from around Sep 2020 and definitely everything within the last few months looks 100% fake.
Example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spitfire-Wheels-Daewon-Song-Burner/dp/B07DRHGNFC
Anyone remember these wheels?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5167GnviDCL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
They were from 2018, Daewon Song pro classics, but this pic is from today...
(https://scontent.fbne5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/201398291_2941541159449056_1356166021568493042_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=wdwpaU3iHcsAX86SEUd&_nc_ht=scontent.fbne5-1.fna&oh=fe4845bb17bb1259c0ecaaf0af3af8cc&oe=60CCCE1F)
I'll guarantee those Baker and Zero decks are fake.
Hell you can go onto Alibaba right now and chat with one of the woodshops or agents to these woodshops. They will openly admit that their stuff "won't affect selling".
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Here's all these goods mentioned above on this FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/theothersidestudios/photos/ms.c.eJxFy8ENwEAIA8GOotiY4~_i~;sTyswHe0yxZSgA6QRT38gXUZjYFoqd~_8C15ywQsH6KUXvJwFLzEAF~;UBJp4enA~-~-.bps.a.2553824871554022/2941541146115724/
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/199559912_2941541156115723_4974304387605099628_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=gbkcRhi79XEAX93nUKk&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=c22937ceb89707a729c0956557b9e61c&oe=60CB358B)
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197441105_2941541166115722_2013889511356382682_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=lsABa8bvrZYAX9cbB_n&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=f9dda3b9e3e2f7bf77f6ad00cf5c6419&oe=60CCC5EF)
Those Joslins the forged hollow ones with standard baseplate and solid axle? Lol
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Here's all these goods mentioned above on this FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/theothersidestudios/photos/ms.c.eJxFy8ENwEAIA8GOotiY4~_i~;sTyswHe0yxZSgA6QRT38gXUZjYFoqd~_8C15ywQsH6KUXvJwFLzEAF~;UBJp4enA~-~-.bps.a.2553824871554022/2941541146115724/
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/199559912_2941541156115723_4974304387605099628_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=gbkcRhi79XEAX93nUKk&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=c22937ceb89707a729c0956557b9e61c&oe=60CB358B)
(https://scontent.fcpt10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197441105_2941541166115722_2013889511356382682_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=lsABa8bvrZYAX9cbB_n&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt10-1.fna&oh=f9dda3b9e3e2f7bf77f6ad00cf5c6419&oe=60CCC5EF)
Maybe the blue is throwing me off but the baseplate looks forged height to me.
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
I wanted to do it, but if you're in the US it's not worth it when you take into consideration the cost of shipping. Sourcing counterfeit in the US is too much trouble. If you look at a bootlegger on Aliexpress and pull up their feedback it's most of their customers are on the eastern hemisphere. Russia, Australia, and S.E.A.
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
For your average skater, if you are used to the feel of certain brands (concave of wood like Baker on BBS, hardness and slide of wheels like Spitfire Formula Four, etc) then putting together a fake setup would feel very average, much like if I set up a generic complete in the shop and skated it - sure it would skate ok, but it wouldn't feel anything like what I was used to.
The fake Indy trucks still turn and grind as they should - seen some of them and had a roll on that board, as well as some fake Bones swiss that were on a second hand complete from someone (also rolled fine, but just wouldn't hold up as long as the genuine product) so it really depends on what you are used to and what you know.
From my regular genuine setup, consisting of BBS wood, Indy trucks, Bones swiss and Spitfire formula four wheels, I could definitely feel how weird a setup is with generic China made deck, cheaper wheels, etc.
For someone who doesn't know any different, setting up something like that from all fake product would still most likely feel amazing to them - it is a brand new complete - so they might not even have a clue as to whether or not it is fake.
Just trying to put it into perspective, as I have seen a lot of "happy customers" from feedback from sellers who have fake products, with only very few who call them out and leave negative feedback (if they know, they know).
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
For your average skater, if you are used to the feel of certain brands (concave of wood like Baker on BBS, hardness and slide of wheels like Spitfire Formula Four, etc) then putting together a fake setup would feel very average, much like if I set up a generic complete in the shop and skated it - sure it would skate ok, but it wouldn't feel anything like what I was used to.
The fake Indy trucks still turn and grind as they should - seen some of them and had a roll on that board, as well as some fake Bones swiss that were on a second hand complete from someone (also rolled fine, but just wouldn't hold up as long as the genuine product) so it really depends on what you are used to and what you know.
From my regular genuine setup, consisting of BBS wood, Indy trucks, Bones swiss and Spitfire formula four wheels, I could definitely feel how weird a setup is with generic China made deck, cheaper wheels, etc.
For someone who doesn't know any different, setting up something like that from all fake product would still most likely feel amazing to them - it is a brand new complete - so they might not even have a clue as to whether or not it is fake.
Just trying to put it into perspective, as I have seen a lot of "happy customers" from feedback from sellers who have fake products, with only very few who call them out and leave negative feedback (if they know, they know).
The setup will feel ok, not great, not shit just very middle of the road. To a newbie it would probably feel amazing, even more so they are getting brand name stuff at a huge discount. I've met good / veteran skaters who have no complaints about the fake gear they bought accidently, but they are probably the kind of skaters who could rip on a 2x4.
Over the past year I've seen lot of local truck brands pop up, mostly copying the Independent Stage 11 "single hollow" design. Either these trucks are sold as blanks on Alibaba or rebranded by a local shop with some etchings on the baseplate. So they should perform decently for the non-discerning skater.
Found an interesting review of the Venture Titanium trucks on Aliexpress. "The trucks were of different height, but the difference was minor so I'm OK with that". Puts into perspective the kind of customers who would shop on these platforms: definitely not gear nerds like those on Slap and happy to find a bargain.
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
I wanted to do it, but if you're in the US it's not worth it when you take into consideration the cost of shipping. Sourcing counterfeit in the US is too much trouble. If you look at a bootlegger on Aliexpress and pull up their feedback it's most of their customers are on the eastern hemisphere. Russia, Australia, and S.E.A.
Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
I've definitely thought about this, but $100 is still pretty steep for a counterfeit setup, I would spend $70 tops on that. Not a fan of the dimensions of the counterfeits too (8 x 31.3 x 14) so I wouldn't be able to give an objective comparison.
Element counterfeits are making a comeback too - China counterfeiters are getting wise to the lack of laser etching on the front truck mounting bolts. In product photo shoots they will snap a photo of a genuine deck with the PS Stix serial number but the actual product won't come with any. In other cases they will just laser on some random "Shape Number" and "Serial Number". Graphics wise they run team models or have Chad Timtim, Darrell Stanton and Levi Brown pro models, all of whom haven't ridden for element in at least 7-9 years.
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
I saw an Spanish YouTuber, who seems.to be nice and skates quite well, trying bootleg Indys. Also some other Spanish guy with everything fake except the board.
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The worst board I ever skated was made in china, it was a girl board.
The best deck I ever skated was a skate mental (the deck I got to get back into skating) and it was also from china. Therefore your point is not only wrong but irrelevant as well
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
Got a link for that?
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulQxnhL4d4
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I did a bit of digging and have the following threads to add here, more for reference than anything else, but they are worth looking at.
Note though re Bones Swiss, the FAKE ones are made in China, and some even had the barcode sticker with the words "Made in China" on the outside of the packaging, over the Bones Swiss box that had "Made in Switzerland" printed on it, which was pretty funny to see that someone had posted on their Instagram or something.
Found it:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115313.0
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115313.msg3502910#msg3502910
Another good read from 2016 re Bones Swiss made in China:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=91294.0
Or 2015 even:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=87896.0
This is a very relevant post as well, re Bones Bearings:
https://shop.shredzshop.com/blogs/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-bones-bearings/
(https://i.imgur.com/GK2pu8R.jpg)
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
Got a link for that?
That was really interesting to see, as well as things looking really good - a lot better than some of the older fake product I had seen pics of.
I took some screen shots of the video of the product, just because I am that kind of person.
Sorry if it is all a bit much, but it really highlights how legit everything looks, so could easily see how people can be fooled by this sort of stuff if they didn't know.
(https://i.ibb.co/hmk3wgf/Aliexpress-fake-setup-01a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LZMVH05)
(https://i.ibb.co/4JBGTnq/Aliexpress-fake-setup-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3XZSc1)
(https://i.ibb.co/g6G5r0R/Aliexpress-fake-setup-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sth0gTV)
(https://i.ibb.co/dKFJStn/Aliexpress-fake-setup-03.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tCgPSzy)
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Has anyone put together a completely counterfeit complete and seen how it skates? Would be fairly interesting, especially back-to-back with an authentic and “identical” complete.
Got a link for that?
That was really interesting to see, as well as things looking really good - a lot better than some of the older fake product I had seen pics of.
I took some screen shots of the video of the product, just because I am that kind of person.
Sorry if it is all a bit much, but it really highlights how legit everything looks, so could easily see how people can be fooled by this sort of stuff if they didn't know.
(https://i.ibb.co/hmk3wgf/Aliexpress-fake-setup-01a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LZMVH05)
(https://i.ibb.co/4JBGTnq/Aliexpress-fake-setup-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3XZSc1)
(https://i.ibb.co/g6G5r0R/Aliexpress-fake-setup-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sth0gTV)
(https://i.ibb.co/dKFJStn/Aliexpress-fake-setup-03.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tCgPSzy)
Don't be fooled by the horrible image, is quite a good video:
https://youtu.be/bgN4X6n7Qo4
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damn that broken indy should tell you everything you want to know.
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@Mbrimson88 - the Indy in that video has a hollow kingpin and axle, most of the fake Indy's I've come across only come in hollow kingpin. Could be something to watch out for in the future.
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@Mbrimson88 - the Indy in that video has a hollow kingpin and axle, most of the fake Indy's I've come across only come in hollow kingpin. Could be something to watch out for in the future.
Exactly. + Usually then spelling on the labels under the baseplate is off
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@Mbrimson88 - the Indy in that video has a hollow kingpin and axle, most of the fake Indy's I've come across only come in hollow kingpin. Could be something to watch out for in the future.
My friend found a pair of the Indy Chris Joslin model. Instead of "Built to Grind" it's printed as "Built to CHRIS", but only the CH is visible. Funny stuff.
The fake Mob griptape is very telling, I've seen the backing sheet of griptape tear in 1/2 on cheaper griptape. Plus the color of the sticky side is completely different (black versus grey).
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I dont know heaps about this relating to skating but can provide some possible insight into how this stuff sometimes works.
I bought a fake North Face jacket in Vietnam in 2011. Someone at the time explained to me that there is a legit North Face factory in Vietnam. North Face orders 100,000 units, the factory makes 200,000 and delivers 100,000 to North Face as ordered and the remaining 100,000 to the markets to be sold off cheap.
My jacket came with all the tags, holograms, warranty papers etc but cost me $40 instead of $400. It last me 5+ years so I ain't mad.
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Here's the fake SF Radial Slims
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNMtLf-nZsy/
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I dont know heaps about this relating to skating but can provide some possible insight into how this stuff sometimes works.
I bought a fake North Face jacket in Vietnam in 2011. Someone at the time explained to me that there is a legit North Face factory in Vietnam. North Face orders 100,000 units, the factory makes 200,000 and delivers 100,000 to North Face as ordered and the remaining 100,000 to the markets to be sold off cheap.
My jacket came with all the tags, holograms, warranty papers etc but cost me $40 instead of $400. It last me 5+ years so I ain't mad.
I don't think its' the same case for the decks and trucks.
For the decks 95% of the ones coming out of Aliexpress are 8.0 (and I'm sure have the same length and WB) despite the different graphics (Baker, Toy Machine, Girl, Chocolate). Decks are probably mass produced in 1 dimension / mold, just pick from the graphics catalog to screen on, so there is a deliberate effort to produce and sell these fakes versus running a longer production cycle.
Same goes for the trucks. The fake Indys in circulation only have hollow kingpins versus hollow kingpin and axle of the genuine ones. There was a conscious choice to rip off the design, logo and colors, instead of producing an extra 10,000 pairs and selling them as "B-grade" stock.
Also, stickers and holograms are easier to replicate versus wheel urethane color for Spitfire wheels. Yet somehow the China counterfeits stickers are still riddled with spelling errors.
Here's the fake SF Radial Slims
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNMtLf-nZsy/
Thanks for that, looks like a similar case for these guys mixing genuine and fake products into their product line up. Their earlier posts show them carrying Indy Stage 11, Tensors and some DSM boards. Later on it's fake Baker / Toy Machine decks.
They also posted up a pic of the fake Venture Titanium I mentioned earlier.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMRlJyfHUUl/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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this guy imports all the fake stuff in SA and distro's it out to other stores and I assume none of them know.
https://www.instagram.com/johnosskateshop/
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Here's the fake SF Radial Slims
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNMtLf-nZsy/
Ha yep the conical full shape, as you can see the sharp point to the middle edge, rather than rounded the way Radial wheels are.
This post looks like it is almost if not completely all fake too:
https://www.instagram.com/p/COZ3OS9n8FK/
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Here's the fake SF Radial Slims
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNMtLf-nZsy/
Ha yep the conical full shape, as you can see the sharp point to the middle edge, rather than rounded the way Radial wheels are.
This post looks like it is almost if not completely all fake too:
https://www.instagram.com/p/COZ3OS9n8FK/
Baker and Chocolate boards in the rear too are suspect.
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A bit of a dead giveaway with Baker boards when team riders like Nuge, Spanky, Cyril decks are "NEW JUST IN" unless you found a container load from last decade...
Yes that is a bit overboard, but you get what I mean, I would think (those guys not having pro boards for a while / no longer on Baker).
https://www.instagram.com/p/CN-L7zjLWPN/
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@Mbrimson88 - the Indy in that video has a hollow kingpin and axle, most of the fake Indy's I've come across only come in hollow kingpin. Could be something to watch out for in the future.
My friend found a pair of the Indy Chris Joslin model. Instead of "Built to Grind" it's printed as "Built to CHRIS", but only the CH is visible. Funny stuff.
The fake Mob griptape is very telling, I've seen the backing sheet of griptape tear in 1/2 on cheaper griptape. Plus the color of the sticky side is completely different (black versus grey).
(https://i.imgur.com/lemK9o3l.jpg)
These are those fake Indy x Thrasher in which the originals are standards. These had only hollow kingping, some guy DM at my podcast account (skateboarding talk podcast I do with a couple of friends) telling me that he thinks he was ripped off and he was. Good thing because of the info I provided to him he could confront the "skateshop" and he got his money back.
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Follow up to a friend getting caught out when he bought fake Spitfires from ebay (got his money back too, which was good) but this is the post I made about it which has the real set (from 2015) they were copied from.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQcfac7lBIW/
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Here's the fake SF Radial Slims
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNMtLf-nZsy/
its been awhile since I had the radials but doesn't the set only with one snake head wheel?
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Here's the fake SF Radial Slims
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNMtLf-nZsy/
Genuine set I have:
1 head, 3 body
Fake set I passed a homie to test out:
4 heads
Follow up to a friend getting caught out when he bought fake Spitfires from ebay (got his money back too, which was good) but this is the post I made about it which has the real set (from 2015) they were copied from.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQcfac7lBIW/
Nice one @Mbrimson88 - noticed a similar thing with the graphic flaking off instead of rubbed off gradually. Ride-wise the are round and roll decently but far below the standards of F4.
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I dont know heaps about this relating to skating but can provide some possible insight into how this stuff sometimes works.
I bought a fake North Face jacket in Vietnam in 2011. Someone at the time explained to me that there is a legit North Face factory in Vietnam. North Face orders 100,000 units, the factory makes 200,000 and delivers 100,000 to North Face as ordered and the remaining 100,000 to the markets to be sold off cheap.
My jacket came with all the tags, holograms, warranty papers etc but cost me $40 instead of $400. It last me 5+ years so I ain't mad.
A similar thing was common in the bike industry, where Specialized's carbon fiber molds (or the SolidWorks digital models for these molds) were being sold by employees of Merida (49% owner of Specialized and one of the largest OEM bike makers in the world) to dodgy companies who would use their carbon technology to make fake Specialized bikes which were then sold via Aliexpress and eBay.
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A bit of a dead giveaway with Baker boards when team riders like Nuge, Spanky, Cyril decks are "NEW JUST IN" unless you found a container load from last decade...
Yes that is a bit overboard, but you get what I mean, I would think (those guys not having pro boards for a while / no longer on Baker).
https://www.instagram.com/p/CN-L7zjLWPN/
Nuge and Cyril, yes, but Spanky has had some decks recently. Like this atrocity:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0518/3033/products/KL-Neckface-wizardry-B19-8-8.25-sh_800x.png?v=1620423147)
But I’m just being nit picky, you’re otherwise correct.
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I dont know heaps about this relating to skating but can provide some possible insight into how this stuff sometimes works.
I bought a fake North Face jacket in Vietnam in 2011. Someone at the time explained to me that there is a legit North Face factory in Vietnam. North Face orders 100,000 units, the factory makes 200,000 and delivers 100,000 to North Face as ordered and the remaining 100,000 to the markets to be sold off cheap.
My jacket came with all the tags, holograms, warranty papers etc but cost me $40 instead of $400. It last me 5+ years so I ain't mad.
A similar thing was common in the bike industry, where Specialized's carbon fiber molds (or the SolidWorks digital models for these molds) were being sold by employees of Merida (49% owner of Specialized and one of the largest OEM bike makers in the world) to dodgy companies who would use their carbon technology to make fake Specialized bikes which were then sold via Aliexpress and eBay.
My old job literally showed me the how they buy tooling and molds for discontinued products that were still popular. They could then release as their own product or counterfeit if they want. They also confirmed that if (insert brand) ordered 100,000pcs in a production run they could keep the machines running and turn out whatever we would need.
The problem is usually QC. There’s no accountability on counterfeit even if it’s from the same factory. So hypothetically if the counterfeit indys were coming from the same factory as the legit indy’s there’s no guarantee that their going to use the same alloy and as the real ones if they have some like the bullet alloy, lying around. Why use the more expensive shit? Whose gonna check? Counterfeit is always a toss up. At least with authentic stuff there’s a some sort of control and accountability. That’s what I tell myself I’m paying for, but also accept that if I buy a counterfeit/clone it’s more of a gamble.
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I dont know heaps about this relating to skating but can provide some possible insight into how this stuff sometimes works.
I bought a fake North Face jacket in Vietnam in 2011. Someone at the time explained to me that there is a legit North Face factory in Vietnam. North Face orders 100,000 units, the factory makes 200,000 and delivers 100,000 to North Face as ordered and the remaining 100,000 to the markets to be sold off cheap.
My jacket came with all the tags, holograms, warranty papers etc but cost me $40 instead of $400. It last me 5+ years so I ain't mad.
A similar thing was common in the bike industry, where Specialized's carbon fiber molds (or the SolidWorks digital models for these molds) were being sold by employees of Merida (49% owner of Specialized and one of the largest OEM bike makers in the world) to dodgy companies who would use their carbon technology to make fake Specialized bikes which were then sold via Aliexpress and eBay.
My old job literally showed me the how they buy tooling and molds for discontinued products that were still popular. They could then release as their own product or counterfeit if they want. They also confirmed that if (insert brand) ordered 100,000pcs in a production run they could keep the machines running and turn out whatever we would need.
The problem is usually QC. There’s no accountability on counterfeit even if it’s from the same factory. So hypothetically if the counterfeit indys were coming from the same factory as the legit indy’s there’s no guarantee that their going to use the same alloy and as the real ones if they have some like the bullet alloy, lying around. Why use the more expensive shit? Whose gonna check? Counterfeit is always a toss up. At least with authentic stuff there’s a some sort of control and accountability. That’s what I tell myself I’m paying for, but also accept that if I buy a counterfeit/clone it’s more of a gamble.
Oh yeah, there are a ton of horror stories about dodgy Chinese bikes whose bikes failed spectacularly with no one to be held accountable
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I know these have been posted in other threads, but it would be good to have them here as well.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbvN9MRhdWX/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEGPCAOjB1e/
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https://keepfire.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.wholesale.cordpanyb.2.340f32719fwrww
wouldn't mind having one of those cruisers with the spitfire trucks, I like the idea of something overtly bootleg
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H5299d4a42b6446bb982a249959dbbb86P.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Ha9368244ca75452191fcef3c2f9b361dy.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Hd0eaa672e5d94460b63b036a1104cc78e.jpg)
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https://keepfire.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.wholesale.cordpanyb.2.340f32719fwrww
wouldn't mind having one of those cruisers with the spitfire trucks, I like the idea of something overtly bootleg
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H5299d4a42b6446bb982a249959dbbb86P.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Ha9368244ca75452191fcef3c2f9b361dy.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Hd0eaa672e5d94460b63b036a1104cc78e.jpg)
those trucks arent even the same size 😂
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https://keepfire.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.wholesale.cordpanyb.2.340f32719fwrww
wouldn't mind having one of those cruisers with the spitfire trucks, I like the idea of something overtly bootleg
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H5299d4a42b6446bb982a249959dbbb86P.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Ha9368244ca75452191fcef3c2f9b361dy.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Hd0eaa672e5d94460b63b036a1104cc78e.jpg)
Let me guess...you ride the same size trucks ::) it's called hot rodding and its the next big thing - its just taking its time to get to the states. You ride a 8.5"/58mm in the back and 8"/52mm in the front. Its 3021 over here brah!
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Those graphics from the mid-2000s era Flip, blows my mind they reached that far back for a graphic. The cruiser boards have crossed from so-bad to so-bad-its-good territory.
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https://keepfire.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.wholesale.cordpanyb.2.340f32719fwrww
wouldn't mind having one of those cruisers with the spitfire trucks, I like the idea of something overtly bootleg
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H5299d4a42b6446bb982a249959dbbb86P.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Ha9368244ca75452191fcef3c2f9b361dy.jpg)
(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/Hd0eaa672e5d94460b63b036a1104cc78e.jpg)
saw a kid with wheels like that last year at the park, gave him some old spitfires and the kid is actually getting good, he comes from the ghetto side of town and im already homie with both his older brothers, oldest dude is around 25 hes a boxer and smokes smack, the other dude is like 16 and doesnt drink or smoke and also loves skateboarding.
Well thing is that a week after giving him the wheels, his brother told me " you know what man, he had a bunch of used wheels weve been collecting as hand me downs and he didnt listen to us when we told him to ride same size wheels but simce you gave him those wheels he hasnt stopped talking about them" and legit i started cracking up but then i realized that the kid might actually look up to some of us the park cause were ki da selective on who we take under our wing, but theres only one rule we go by, if the kid truly seems to love skateboarding, then its on! Tastes and style change overtime so as long as its real we dont even care about the skill
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Been a minute, but there are so many more fake and counterfeit listings on ebay, as per this post from the Spitfire thread:
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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680
Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.
There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.
Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.
COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0
Easy.
The funny thing, but also important point to note, always check the feedback, which in this case is pretty bad.
https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/skate_supply?lb=1
To quote the most recent one:
"False advertising. Not “spitfire formula four” in the slightest. Junk, soft generic mfg, seller claims made at same factory which doesn’t make them “spitfire” Ebay please remove this seller from the ebay community, which is based on trust and integrity. This seller even outright lied when I specifically asked if they were spitfires, prior to my purchase!. , absolute scam scam scam scam scam scam scam, not spitfire, do not buy from this liar."
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I'm not sure about the packaging on my Swiss, any consensus?
(https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1Lm4iFjeYmrHlb5qLyRweOKCI5cX6oV1J)
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Text just looks like the fake ones
Check post earlier on this page
But you probably already know the answer considering the price you paid or the place you bought it from... :-\
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Text just looks like the fake ones
Check post earlier on this page
But you probably already know the answer considering the price you paid or the place you bought it from... :-\
I bought them from TGM and they weren't cheap!
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My bad
i was a tad bit aggressive
I should not be so trustful with retails :/
You checked the other details ?
shields, box, spacers ?
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You can get the counterfeit bones from Amazon. I’ve definitely gotten counterfeit reds. It wouldn’t surprise me if TGM sold fakes - knowingly or unknowingly.
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I bought what I assume to be real ones from TGM last year. I checked all the things you're supposed to check. One thing to note that is that a lot of fake ones do not say "Made in Switzerland" on the package, because it's an immediate red flag at customs to see a box with a bill of lading from China and a bunch of boxes which indicate that the product was made elsewhere. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, but it's a lot more likely to get confiscated.
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My bad
i was a tad bit aggressive
I should not be so trustful with retails :/
You checked the other details ?
shields, box, spacers ?
What do you think?
(https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1MCwFlA126m-mkSP1t5fr-YFGN6ClpQhX)
(https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M4vN9N5Srimm4Em2CtKt9_pmi4kRxnwd)
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So is this not a thread on where to get bootleg shirts?
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What do you think?
They look like they are legit and genuine swiss.
The curve of the SS on genuine ones shows, as the fake ones are straighter on the curved parts (unless they have changed the fake ones again).
As I had said before, I have some older sets of Bones Swiss that are genuine product that have the old year and at least one box with no "Made in Switzerland" which is what the people making the fake bearings would have used back in the day to make their versions.
TGM is an authorised dealer of Bones and other product, but a recent post in the wheels thread might have put them on the radar for a lot more than a set of wheels.
It is always weird when a seller has numerous sets of Bones swiss out of packet on ebay and other assorted things, which is usually an indicator of fake or counterfeit product, as per many other ebay sellers who do indeed have fake product.
EDIT: As posted before, this is possibly the best side by side comparison I have seen, so as long as this Instagram post is still up, I would refer people to look through all these pics. In the event it gets taken down or the account is stopped for whatever reason, I have taken screen shots of all this information too, so can post that as needed.
I would recommend anyone to look through the pics to help with their bearings.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEGPCAOjB1e/
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They look like they are legit and genuine swiss.
The curve of the SS on genuine ones shows, as the fake ones are straighter on the curved parts (unless they have changed the fake ones again).
As I had said before, I have some older sets of Bones Swiss that are genuine product that have the old year and at least one box with no "Made in Switzerland" which is what the people making the fake bearings would have used back in the day to make their versions.
TGM is an authorised dealer of Bones and other product, but a recent post in the wheels thread might have put them on the radar for a lot more than a set of wheels.
It is always weird when a seller has numerous sets of Bones swiss out of packet on ebay and other assorted things, which is usually an indicator of fake or counterfeit product, as per many other ebay sellers who do indeed have fake product.
EDIT: As posted before, this is possibly the best side by side comparison I have seen, so as long as this Instagram post is still up, I would refer people to look through all these pics. In the event it gets taken down or the account is stopped for whatever reason, I have taken screen shots of all this information too, so can post that as needed.
I would recommend anyone to look through the pics to help with their bearings.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEGPCAOjB1e/
Thanks for the guidance. When I first received them I did check the pics of the bearings themselves and they looked legit. It was only when I checked the pics of the box that I began to have doubts.
I've only just started skating again after 24 years and have never ridden Swiss before. Nobody I ever used to skate with had them, I don't remember many shops in the UK stocking them and they were just way too expensive for most kids. I'm riding 2 setups, one with Reds and the other with Swiss - is there much of a difference? Hmm,...I'm not too sure.
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Thanks for the guidance. When I first received them I did check the pics of the bearings themselves and they looked legit. It was only when I checked the pics of the box that I began to have doubts.
I've only just started skating again after 24 years and have never ridden Swiss before. Nobody I ever used to skate with had them, I don't remember many shops in the UK stocking them and they were just way too expensive for most kids. I'm riding 2 setups, one with Reds and the other with Swiss - is there much of a difference? Hmm,...I'm not too sure.
No worries!
Re differences - swiss just go harder for longer, so will (usually) still be rolling a long time after the reds have given up, but any bearing will last if you look after them, keep them clean, don't get them wet, etc.
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Not going to lie I searched for stuff on those websites, mostly guitar stuff and i 'm also honestly going to admit that stuff was DIRT cheap and held up really really well. I bought an aluminum pedalboard on there and thing traveled with me all over Europe. After 6 years it's still in perfect condition and it cost like 5 times less than a "branded" one (exactmy the same, but no branded stickers on it).
After that good experience I thought I'd search for some skate stuff from time to time. I did that before, more like windoshopping and one day I said "screw it!" and bought some bones wheels.
To be honest they were very very decent and cost like 12 dollars for a set.
I also saw those big head spitfires on there!
I was stupid enough to believe they were real (the seller seemed to be skateshop) and would have never known they could be fakes if I wasn't for this thread. I just assumed they were old stock they got rid off. Because the wheels had older graphics on them (and they were PERFECT).
They also had older workshop/habitat/girl (nothing major just older stuff) boards on there and I also just thought they had old stock laying around.
But now it's obvious it's all fake ... a friend of mine skated those decks and said they were pretty good.
With companies in the US outsourcing their products (Chinese pressed decks and asian urethane) could it be there's some overlap in quality? I mean, could it be the same decks and wheels sometimes?
I also read a lot about fake sneakers:
And sometimes the quality sucks, but sometimes it's so good you really can't tell tell the difference anymore.
Like I said, I bought those wheels believing they were real ...
With those "fake" companies I think sometimes they intentionally use lesser quality materials to make more profit but sometimes I'm convinced you're buying the same stuff/unlicensed under the counter.
This is an interesting one:
after the good experience with the wheels also bought some older "Janoski max" shoes off the same seller. I own more than 150 pairs and those were easily in my top 5 of most comfortable shoes I've ever owned. I went on serious hikes with them, ran, played sports and they held up really really well. I never could tell they were fake, they were exactly the same as another max pair I owned just a bit more comfy (the sole was more squishy).
I'm not a fan of fake stuff AT ALL (load of exploitation), but I can't say the quality was bad.
At all.
I was naďve enough to believe skate stuff wouldn't get "faked" :(
Very interesting thread, will definitely follow and be more careful in the future.
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Dude you own 150 pairs of Janoskis?!?!?!
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Does AH make wheels?
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and these are suspect as well
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They look like what you find on completes
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Does AH make wheels?
They are the same graphic as the wheels on the budget completes, so although they are cheap and made in China, they are not necessarily fake (as some shops will take them apart and sell separately), but going by where they are listed, which has had some fake product before, I would say they are most likely fake cheap wheels.
The OJs definitely look like the cheap and crap copies of the real thing, especially as most don't come in plain shrink / no packaging.
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They are the same graphic as the wheels on the budget completes, so although they are cheap and made in China, they are not necessarily fake (as some shops will take them apart and sell separately), but going by where they are listed, which has had some fake product before, I would say they are most likely fake cheap wheels.
The OJs definitely look like the cheap and crap copies of the real thing, especially as most don't come in plain shrink / no packaging.
And they have no size printed on them. The others I've google'd all have at least the size on them and most have the Duro on them too.
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So this post has so many generic brands, almost all of which would be on cheap completes, with no completes in sight, so I would be going with totally fake.
Brands include Birdhouse, Element, DGK, Real, Antihero and Alien Workshop.
Unless there was a reasonable explanation, I could not see these as being the same, but even then they are cheap wheels at best anyway.
https://www.instagram.com/johnosskateshop/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVIBrthrTa6/
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They look like what you find on completes
Ha yeah, saw this after the post.
Someone is actually trying to sell cheap completes that they have taken apart and listing for near pro prices.
Not fake, but definitely not cool either.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175016132553
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pzQAAOSw79xhi2Oa/s-l1600.jpg)
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175016130681
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They are the same graphic as the wheels on the budget completes, so although they are cheap and made in China, they are not necessarily fake (as some shops will take them apart and sell separately), but going by where they are listed, which has had some fake product before, I would say they are most likely fake cheap wheels.
The OJs definitely look like the cheap and crap copies of the real thing, especially as most don't come in plain shrink / no packaging.
And they have no size printed on them. The others I've google'd all have at least the size on them and most have the Duro on them too.
the legit OJs on completes don't show size / duros
these could be legit wheels from completes, taken apart and shrink wrapped
shady anyway
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DLX get their decks, trucks and wheels made in China for their budget completes. My guess is:
1) the factories are producing above the ordered amount and selling these out the back door
2) these are production seconds and sold out the back door
3) counterfeiters are copying the graphics and stamping them on shitty blanks
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DLX get their decks, trucks and wheels made in China for their budget completes. My guess is:
1) the factories are producing above the ordered amount and selling these out the back door
2) these are production seconds and sold out the back door
3) counterfeiters are copying the graphics and stamping them on shitty blanks
Seems like you're correct. The prices are so inflated though. I feel for people who shell out for these.
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I would buy fake gear if the spellings were wrong
Trasher
Suprem
Would act like hot shit (while being cold diarrhea) in that
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DLX get their decks, trucks and wheels made in China for their budget completes. My guess is:
1) the factories are producing above the ordered amount and selling these out the back door
2) these are production seconds and sold out the back door
3) counterfeiters are copying the graphics and stamping them on shitty blanks
Seems like you're correct. The prices are so inflated though. I feel for people who shell out for these.
This kind of stuff is pretty rampant in Asia, but the counterfeiters struck gold with the Spitfire wheels / Bones bearings. 2 of the most trusted brands in skateboarding in a region that doesn't have the same financial access to these products.
Local awareness of these goods has grown in the past year but newer skaters will still fall prey to these fakes. Who wouldn't want to save a few bucks.
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The funny thing I have seen is when the prices for the fake product are too low, they don't actually sell as much as when the prices are just below the normal RRP.
Sucks for the people who don't know any better, especially when some ebay sellers are calling themselves AUSkate or something which sounds a lot more like a shop name than just freddy23 or some other personal name.
The guy taking the completes apart here is a different thing - they are legit completes (all made in China) but trying to sell them for the same as or just under pro board prices is bad.
Some people will get hold of something, especially anything with any recognised brand name, and then copy it and make a good profit and sell it on to others who also think they can make money from the fake stuff regardless of the actual quality.
This is always going to happen, but it has come up in leaps and bounds with the shortages and distribution issues that are still ongoing in some areas.
I have even seen old shop owners who have been blacklisted end up getting fake stuff just to try to stock up their shop, or continue selling product, even if it is not from reputable sources.
Any which way, if it is more widely known, then hopefully there will be less of an issue and these people will look to other avenues when no one really buys their crap product.
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The funny thing I have seen is when the prices for the fake product are too low, they don't actually sell as much as when the prices are just below the normal RRP.
Fake Spitfires at $20 - "these are definitely suspect"
Fake Spitfires at $28 - "oh these are a steal"
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The funny thing I have seen is when the prices for the fake product are too low, they don't actually sell as much as when the prices are just below the normal RRP.
Fake Spitfires at $20 - "these are definitely suspect"
Fake Spitfires at $28 - "oh these are a steal"
Ha yep it was weird to see, but checking the history of sales for certain people I can see when they had them at $49 they only sold one set, but when they were back up to $69 they sold three sets, from one ebay seller. RRP is $79.99 AU here now.
They were the Radial Slim wheel snake graphic so go figure.
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I spent the night on chinese websites and was mesmerised by the amount of fake skateboard gear. They have colored /mixed spitfires now as well … fake i “ndys?
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It is crazy how many "genuine looking" products there are now as well, Independent Trucks in bigger sizes, Spitfire wheels in as close to shape, size and colour as ever and other things.
The most recent ebay listings have 149 Indy forged hollow (still have differences, like thicker baseplates that are still cast, even with the forged bottom graphic) and a few other things.
It is getting weird, that's for sure.
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It is crazy how many "genuine looking" products there are now as well, Independent Trucks in bigger sizes, Spitfire wheels in as close to shape, size and colour as ever and other things.
The most recent ebay listings have 149 Indy forged hollow (still have differences, like thicker baseplates that are still cast, even with the forged bottom graphic[
) and a few other things.
It is getting weird, that's for sure.
I don’t know if the same thing is happening, but 10ish years ago, famously the bicycle company Specialized had The CAD drawings for their Tarmac and Roubaix frames leaked by someone at their Taiwan (or maybe mainland China, can recall) manufacturing facility. This allowed flawless appearing fakes to slip out into the market. The underlying carbon fiber was dramatically different and much shittier, but it fooled a lot of people and many of those bikes are still floating around.
It would be much easier to make a fake Indy truck without requiring the original CAD drawings, but this is a possibility.
As a postscript to the knock off carbon bikes - the manufacturer who sold the fakes is a company called Dengfu who now does big business selling frames, rims and wheels direct to consumer on their website. Would be funny to see a Dengfu equivalent gain a foothold in the skate market.
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It's already happened with trucks, wouldn't surprise me if someone in the China Indy facility stole the CAD drawings. There are lots of "blank" trucks in China that look exactly like a Stage 11, just missing the logo and text on the baseplates.
This hasn't happened for Thunder or Venture yet. I bought a counterfeit pair of each for closer observation beyond the rough finish and odd bushing colors, the geometry is off. Haven't measured the wheelbase but the height difference between the fakes and genuine ones is a dead give away.
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can a mod delet this thread this is just right wing conspirity theory and racist agnst chinese and delet board weight thread too this is just harmful conspirity theorys i only sell product to shops very cheap bcuz my homie is flow ok
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Saw this on IG, somewhat local to me so I checked it out.
Gotta be fakes right? Especially given this ad on AliExpress.
https://www.instagram.com/squareoneskateshop/p/CXJbutargXA/?utm_medium=copy_link
(https://i.imgur.com/cUti9eQ.png)
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Saw this on IG, somewhat local to me so I checked it out.
Gotta be fakes right? Especially given this ad on AliExpress.
https://www.instagram.com/squareoneskateshop/p/CXJbutargXA/
(https://i.imgur.com/cUti9eQ.png)
Without a doubt. China sellers in my region use the exact same cover image and sell the exact same models of F4 wheels. This seller probably also sells Bones bearings, Independent trucks (139 only) and Baker / Toy Machine / Foundation / Crailtap decks.
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This is the URL of another "shop" that looks to be selling fake shit here in Canada.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQKoPJeLR5I/?utm_medium=copy_link
https://convictionskateshop.com/collections/skateboard-decks
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Mixing genuine stuff (Portland Wheels, Bacon Decks) with the fake stuff.
https://convictionskateshop.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-54-mm-101-duro-radial-slims
Spitfire Radial Slims in a Classic shape.
Bearings are suspicious too if he's getting the wheels already.
The most egregious may be the helmets, I wouldn't trust the QC standards on unbranded brain buckets.
Edit: Baker / Crail / Element decks are definitely the same ones you find on Aliexpress. I'm willing to bet he only has Indy's in 139 since that's the only size the counterfeiters make. A "smart" move not to list the fake stuff online and only in-store.
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It's already happened with trucks, wouldn't surprise me if someone in the China Indy facility stole the CAD drawings. There are lots of "blank" trucks in China that look exactly like a Stage 11, just missing the logo and text on the baseplates.
This hasn't happened for Thunder or Venture yet. I bought a counterfeit pair of each for closer observation beyond the rough finish and odd bushing colors, the geometry is off. Haven't measured the wheelbase but the height difference between the fakes and genuine ones is a dead give away.
The guy ion the 2hex website has a video on "we can make your stuff for you" and he's clearly holding an Indy copy in his hand.
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-manufacturer
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Saw this on IG, somewhat local to me so I checked it out.
Gotta be fakes right? Especially given this ad on AliExpress.
https://www.instagram.com/squareoneskateshop/p/CXJbutargXA/
(https://i.imgur.com/cUti9eQ.png)
Without a doubt. China sellers in my region use the exact same cover image and sell the exact same models of F4 wheels. This seller probably also sells Bones bearings, Independent trucks (139 only) and Baker / Toy Machine / Foundation / Crailtap decks.
The biggest indicator here is that no one is importing "Made in America" wheels to The East and then reselling them back to The West at a heavily reduced price.
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Another one on ebay, this one listing the wheels as usual with a stock pic first, but putting up a second pic of the actual product, which shows things like bad colouring of the graphic and the wheels themselves, thinner shape than the conical full and a few other little things that give them away.
As said by people like @rocklobster they are definitely coming along in product likeness, from the very first ones to these latest ones coming out, but to me it seems like they always make a mistake somewhere, which really shows if you know what you are looking for, or are very familiar with the genuine product.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eOUAAOSw9sRhhMSm/s-l1600.jpg)
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Another one from the same ebay seller, this time the 101 duro version of the same as above.
Note the colour is actually too dark now, along with the wheels being too skinny, the graphic blurry and the gold colour too dark on the wheels.
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It's already happened with trucks, wouldn't surprise me if someone in the China Indy facility stole the CAD drawings. There are lots of "blank" trucks in China that look exactly like a Stage 11, just missing the logo and text on the baseplates.
This hasn't happened for Thunder or Venture yet. I bought a counterfeit pair of each for closer observation beyond the rough finish and odd bushing colors, the geometry is off. Haven't measured the wheelbase but the height difference between the fakes and genuine ones is a dead give away.
The guy ion the 2hex website has a video on "we can make your stuff for you" and he's clearly holding an Indy copy in his hand.
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-manufacturer
I’ve seen fake ventures, specifically the ti prod. It was always the 5.0 selling for way to little.
Idk if it’s from 2hex but indy molds are in the streets. Zumiez has that compound brand of house trucks. Then there’s that foundry truck brand prime was doing last year.
Identical
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpV5FjLzq0/?utm_medium=copy_link
https://www.zumiez.com/compound-polished-silver-5-25-skateboard-truck.html
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Lots of shops in China are doing store brand Indy knockoffs. So far I've only seen a handful of shops actually design a unique truck, the closest of which was a Thunder knockoff with a better baseplate design at the expense of a horrible turn.
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Curious to see if anyone ever does a knock off of Ace trucks.
The other main brands all have their copies, but as yet I don't think anyone has done anything like that.
Definitely seen many variations on the Indy, Thunder and Venture looks though.
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Are these operations mainly counterfeiting the high-demand items like Baker decks and F4s? Do they make knockoffs of minor accessories like risers and bushings, or are those not worth the effort? I ordered some rails from Amazon but after reading this thread, I had second thoughts and returned them.
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Are these operations mainly counterfeiting the high-demand items like Baker decks and F4s? Do they make knockoffs of minor accessories like risers and bushings, or are those not worth the effort? I ordered some rails from Amazon but after reading this thread, I had second thoughts and returned them.
They target the brand name decks, trucks, wheels and bearings. I've seen Independent, Diamond and Crailtap hardware sell for overly cheap on Aliexpress.
The other one to watch out for would be griptape. Mob and Grizzly from Aliexpress is suspicious.
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Are these operations mainly counterfeiting the high-demand items like Baker decks and F4s? Do they make knockoffs of minor accessories like risers and bushings, or are those not worth the effort? I ordered some rails from Amazon but after reading this thread, I had second thoughts and returned them.
They target the brand name decks, trucks, wheels and bearings. I've seen Independent, Diamond and Crailtap hardware sell for overly cheap on Aliexpress.
The other one to watch out for would be griptape. Mob and Grizzly from Aliexpress is suspicious.
I would also guess if it was a "big brand" product, there would be more chance for that to happen, but generic products would not have such a high interest, or would most likely be about the same quality as those produced under a brand name anyway, eg I think rails all come from China nowdays, so I don't really think there would be a big difference, if any, in the quality of the product.
More than anything, if it is a lot cheaper than the genuine product, there is a much higher chance it is fake, but plastic components like rails and risers would be about the same, unlike bushings or wheels, which are completely different compounds of urethane, so are going to maybe look similar but feel very different when you use them.
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Are these operations mainly counterfeiting the high-demand items like Baker decks and F4s? Do they make knockoffs of minor accessories like risers and bushings, or are those not worth the effort? I ordered some rails from Amazon but after reading this thread, I had second thoughts and returned them.
There's loads of the Thrasher/Indy mounting hardware on Ali.
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
Only buy Bones bearings from dealers listed on their website. No one else is getting authentic product.
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
Only buy Bones bearings from dealers listed on their website. No one else is getting authentic product.
yeah, that's the bullshit with that stupid parade site. you don't know where it's coming from. shame on me for using parade I guess
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
Only buy Bones bearings from dealers listed on their website. No one else is getting authentic product.
yeah, that's the bullshit with that stupid parade site. you don't know where it's coming from. shame on me for using parade I guess
Ahh yeah, good point. Well, check now and see if they’re listed. If not, maybe start a return.
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
Only buy Bones bearings from dealers listed on their website. No one else is getting authentic product.
yeah, that's the bullshit with that stupid parade site. you don't know where it's coming from. shame on me for using parade I guess
Ahh yeah, good point. Well, check now and see if they’re listed. If not, maybe start a return.
they're not listed. I sent the shop an email asking what's up. I'm also going to contact parade world and see what's up. I opened the package to check the bearings and don't know if they'll take it back. which would be weak as fuck, seeing as the shop isn't an authorized dealer.
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The counterfeit bones are ass. Seize up very quickly. Not worth it.
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
Only buy Bones bearings from dealers listed on their website. No one else is getting authentic product.
yeah, that's the bullshit with that stupid parade site. you don't know where it's coming from. shame on me for using parade I guess
Ahh yeah, good point. Well, check now and see if they’re listed. If not, maybe start a return.
they're not listed. I sent the shop an email asking what's up. I'm also going to contact parade world and see what's up. I opened the package to check the bearings and don't know if they'll take it back. which would be weak as fuck, seeing as the shop isn't an authorized dealer.
There are some posts a few pages back that detail how to tell whether or not yours are fake. If they are, I'd contact Parade World and complain, or put a stop on your credit card. I don't think you're on the hook if you bought through a retailed like Parade, though.
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got a set of Swiss off parade for $50 via holiday sale a couple weeks ago. they arrived today from a shop in Miami called Andrew. seems like more streetwear than skating. I'm looking at the bearings and most things seem pretty legit, but I'm not sure. Date is 1981. bottom of box reads bonesbearings.com with no full address, just Santa Barbara, California U.S.A. not really sure what's going on.... any thoughts?
this counterfeit gear crap is so frustrating. I'm pretty sure these are fine, but it's still like what the fuck. never had to do a quality check on new bearings before...
Only buy Bones bearings from dealers listed on their website. No one else is getting authentic product.
yeah, that's the bullshit with that stupid parade site. you don't know where it's coming from. shame on me for using parade I guess
Ahh yeah, good point. Well, check now and see if they’re listed. If not, maybe start a return.
they're not listed. I sent the shop an email asking what's up. I'm also going to contact parade world and see what's up. I opened the package to check the bearings and don't know if they'll take it back. which would be weak as fuck, seeing as the shop isn't an authorized dealer.
There are some posts a few pages back that detail how to tell whether or not yours are fake. If they are, I'd contact Parade World and complain, or put a stop on your credit card. I don't think you're on the hook if you bought through a retailed like Parade, though.
for sure. I mean, for all measurable aspects, without skating them, they seem pretty legit. At this point though, my biggest concern is that they're not from a bones dealer. I searched any other skate shop I've bought shit from or been to, and they're on that list. Anyways, I'm not saying they're totally fake yet but the shop through parade ended up being called Andrew in Downtown Miami.
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Don’t slander Parade. There are kinks to be worked out for sure but they’re worthy of continued support (as far as I know/feel) and I’ve had nothing but great experiences using them. My only gripe is that they don’t let you see what shop you’re buying from anymore. Why remove this function?? It only says what state the product is in.
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Don’t slander Parade. There are kinks to be worked out for sure but they’re worthy of continued support (as far as I know/feel) and I’ve had nothing but great experiences using them. My only gripe is that they don’t let you see what shop you’re buying from anymore. Why remove this function?? It only says what state the product is in.
Shame on me because I should have bought them at my local for $13 more. For something like this, that $13 would be cutting into the bottom line of a shop by providing more to a middle man. Who pays for the free shipping? Shop or Parade?
No slander here. I will however, take issue if my questions aren't answered about bones Swiss sold from a non-authorized dealer.
Its pretty obvious that you don't see the shop anymore because people were circumventing parade and going directly to the shop. middle's gotta take a cut
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My only gripe is that they don’t let you see what shop you’re buying from anymore. Why remove this function?? It only says what state the product is in.
People were getting really good at checking where it was and then buying it directly from that shop, so not using the Parade service, so they cut it out.
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My only gripe is that they don’t let you see what shop you’re buying from anymore. Why remove this function?? It only says what state the product is in.
People were getting really good at checking where it was and then buying it directly from that shop, so not using the Parade service, so they cut it out.
Often the shops will have their own discount codes for their webstore that you can't apply on Parade.
This thread should include a "which shop is this" which identifies shops on Parade so buyers can shop directly.
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I guess though that Parade are only as good as the shops that they represent, so they would not know if a shop is selling fake product or not (just to keep it relevant to this thread) but also I think that shop would be cut off pretty quickly if it was reported that they were selling fake product.
That other well known shop (three letters, including a T and a G and an M) that sold a fake set of Spitfire wheels not that long ago still has genuine product from all the big distributors, so who knows how they ended up selling a set of fake wheels, but as per some other shops, genuine product can often be confused with fake stuff and vice versa.
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I guess though that Parade are only as good as the shops that they represent, so they would not know if a shop is selling fake product or not (just to keep it relevant to this thread) but also I think that shop would be cut off pretty quickly if it was reported that they were selling fake product.
That other well known shop (three letters, including a T and a G and an M) that sold a fake set of Spitfire wheels not that long ago still has genuine product from all the big distributors, so who knows how they ended up selling a set of fake wheels, but as per some other shops, genuine product can often be confused with fake stuff and vice versa.
I contacted the shop and asked about where the bones come from, as they're not a bones dealer. Have yet to hear back. I will give it a few days and contact parade. If parade does nothing, I will file a PayPal claim. Not too pumped
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I guess though that Parade are only as good as the shops that they represent, so they would not know if a shop is selling fake product or not (just to keep it relevant to this thread) but also I think that shop would be cut off pretty quickly if it was reported that they were selling fake product.
That other well known shop (three letters, including a T and a G and an M) that sold a fake set of Spitfire wheels not that long ago still has genuine product from all the big distributors, so who knows how they ended up selling a set of fake wheels, but as per some other shops, genuine product can often be confused with fake stuff and vice versa.
I contacted the shop and asked about where the bones come from, as they're not a bones dealer. Have yet to hear back. I will give it a few days and contact parade. If parade does nothing, I will file a PayPal claim. Not too pumped
Yeah that never seems like a good ending when they don't reply.
You can also contact Skate One directly, as I have done in the past too, as they will tell you very quickly if they are on the good list or not.
https://www.skateone.com/
The biggest tell on the Bones swiss seems to be the lettering round the bearing shield, the real ones being more rounded in the SS part, the fake ones a lot more squared off, but again this could always be updated.
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I guess though that Parade are only as good as the shops that they represent, so they would not know if a shop is selling fake product or not (just to keep it relevant to this thread) but also I think that shop would be cut off pretty quickly if it was reported that they were selling fake product.
That other well known shop (three letters, including a T and a G and an M) that sold a fake set of Spitfire wheels not that long ago still has genuine product from all the big distributors, so who knows how they ended up selling a set of fake wheels, but as per some other shops, genuine product can often be confused with fake stuff and vice versa.
I contacted the shop and asked about where the bones come from, as they're not a bones dealer. Have yet to hear back. I will give it a few days and contact parade. If parade does nothing, I will file a PayPal claim. Not too pumped
Yeah that never seems like a good ending when they don't reply.
You can also contact Skate One directly, as I have done in the past too, as they will tell you very quickly if they are on the good list or not.
https://www.skateone.com/
The biggest tell on the Bones swiss seems to be the lettering round the bearing shield, the real ones being more rounded in the SS part, the fake ones a lot more squared off, but again this could always be updated.
thanks for that skateone link. I didn't realize that was a thing.
the bearings look really, really good. sticker on the cellophane/plastic wrap in the right place and everything. the color of the red might be off though, not really sure. the SS part looks legit too. I don't know... I'm gonna email skateone.com right now.
sent that email thanks!
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I guess though that Parade are only as good as the shops that they represent, so they would not know if a shop is selling fake product or not (just to keep it relevant to this thread) but also I think that shop would be cut off pretty quickly if it was reported that they were selling fake product.
That other well known shop (three letters, including a T and a G and an M) that sold a fake set of Spitfire wheels not that long ago still has genuine product from all the big distributors, so who knows how they ended up selling a set of fake wheels, but as per some other shops, genuine product can often be confused with fake stuff and vice versa.
I contacted the shop and asked about where the bones come from, as they're not a bones dealer. Have yet to hear back. I will give it a few days and contact parade. If parade does nothing, I will file a PayPal claim. Not too pumped
Yeah that never seems like a good ending when they don't reply.
You can also contact Skate One directly, as I have done in the past too, as they will tell you very quickly if they are on the good list or not.
https://www.skateone.com/
The biggest tell on the Bones swiss seems to be the lettering round the bearing shield, the real ones being more rounded in the SS part, the fake ones a lot more squared off, but again this could always be updated.
thanks for that skateone link. I didn't realize that was a thing.
the bearings look really, really good. sticker on the cellophane/plastic wrap in the right place and everything. the color of the red might be off though, not really sure. the SS part looks legit too. I don't know... I'm gonna email skateone.com right now.
sent that email thanks!
I think they probably are legit and that shop just has poor customer service (no reply and all that) so you should be ok.
One thing I didn't say is people (shop accounts) can buy Bones products from the middle tier distributors, so they might not be on a list of "Authorised Distributors" from Skate One.
The most frustrating thing is all the fake ones out there make us doubt the original product, which has happened too.
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Bought these last night but now thinking that these spitfires look a lil suspect? very odd packaging and couldn’t find these in any catalog.. unfortunately parade removed the option to see what skateshop the item is coming from. https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-blackwhite-56mm-90-6661680726070/
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Bought these last night but now thinking that these spitfires look a lil suspect? very odd packaging and couldn’t find these in any catalog.. unfortunately parade removed the option to see what skateshop the item is coming from. https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-blackwhite-56mm-90-6661680726070/
Looks like they come from this spot
https://www.skateshopinhouston.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-black-white-56mm
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I guess though that Parade are only as good as the shops that they represent, so they would not know if a shop is selling fake product or not (just to keep it relevant to this thread) but also I think that shop would be cut off pretty quickly if it was reported that they were selling fake product.
That other well known shop (three letters, including a T and a G and an M) that sold a fake set of Spitfire wheels not that long ago still has genuine product from all the big distributors, so who knows how they ended up selling a set of fake wheels, but as per some other shops, genuine product can often be confused with fake stuff and vice versa.
I contacted the shop and asked about where the bones come from, as they're not a bones dealer. Have yet to hear back. I will give it a few days and contact parade. If parade does nothing, I will file a PayPal claim. Not too pumped
Yeah that never seems like a good ending when they don't reply.
You can also contact Skate One directly, as I have done in the past too, as they will tell you very quickly if they are on the good list or not.
https://www.skateone.com/
The biggest tell on the Bones swiss seems to be the lettering round the bearing shield, the real ones being more rounded in the SS part, the fake ones a lot more squared off, but again this could always be updated.
thanks for that skateone link. I didn't realize that was a thing.
the bearings look really, really good. sticker on the cellophane/plastic wrap in the right place and everything. the color of the red might be off though, not really sure. the SS part looks legit too. I don't know... I'm gonna email skateone.com right now.
sent that email thanks!
I think they probably are legit and that shop just has poor customer service (no reply and all that) so you should be ok.
One thing I didn't say is people (shop accounts) can buy Bones products from the middle tier distributors, so they might not be on a list of "Authorised Distributors" from Skate One.
The most frustrating thing is all the fake ones out there make us doubt the original product, which has happened too.
middle tier meaning like eastern supply or something, correct? that makes sense. thanks
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middle tier meaning like eastern supply or something, correct? that makes sense. thanks
Yes, that is it.
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for anyone in South Australia the shops that get bones bearings from the Australian distributor are
Da Klinic
MV2
Fast Times
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I think Brimmo may be spot on about the secondary distros like Eastern, South Shore, Atlantic, etc. here in the States.
Gotta go factory direct to get that coveted “authorized dealer” status & accompanying listing on the website. It’s part of the incentive, since their order minimums require you buy a whole bunch of THEIR brands, they might as well give you a reason to do so.
With the secondary operations, you can load up on stuff across a spectrum of companies, but no fancy window sticker.
And regarding those Spitfire Classic 56s in the swirlathane: thems just the OG formula, so they’re a bit less expensive & (apparently) less packaged as well.
If it makes you feel any better, I can tell you that I have purchased from Geometric online (through Parade, coincidentally) & received genuine product.
Stay savvy while shopping, PALS.
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I think Brimmo may be spot on about the secondary distros like Eastern, South Shore, Atlantic, etc. here in the States.
Gotta go factory direct to get that coveted “authorized dealer” status & accompanying listing on the website. It’s part of the incentive, since their order minimums require you buy a whole bunch of THEIR brands, they might as well give you a reason to do so.
With the secondary operations, you can load up on stuff across a spectrum of companies, but no fancy window sticker.
And regarding those Spitfire Classic 56s in the swirlathane: thems just the OG formula, so they’re a bit less expensive & (apparently) less packaged as well.
If it makes you feel any better, I can tell you that I have purchased from Geometric online (through Parade, coincidentally) & received genuine product.
Stay savvy while shopping, PALS.
Some businesses / shops here in AU have even purchased from the second tier distros to get stock here sooner, when the Aussie distro was completely out of stock and not getting any for a while too, which raised a few eyebrows, but it is not a worry to me.
What is interesting is how much they protect their product, even from buying genuine product through alternative channels, things can get messy (legal issues, threats or whatever else) with that business trying to sell them online and getting shut down, as has happened in the past, and these were genuine bearings, before the time of all the fake stuff getting around too.
The fake bearings didn't come in the 30 set box with the manufacturing and promotional material the way the genuine ones did, as well as having a clear distribution path when it did eventuate in legal questions, but that is beside the point.
I think nowdays it is all too easy for some legit shops and others to cut corners and supplement their own genuine stock with some very cheap and in some cases very accessible counterfeit stock which really is getting harder to spot and easier to sell to unwary customers.
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Are these fake ?
http://www.adverts.ie/22052069
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Are these fake ?
http://www.adverts.ie/22052069
Do you have any concerns? Is it the black baseplates? Or the color of the hanger? (Think it's the lighting in the photo.) On the other hand I would think why bother to fake them? Don't think they are that much sought after. Have only seen the Ray Barbee's with silver baseplates, though.
For comparison: https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ray-barbee-149-hollow-stage-11-skateboard-trucks-5-75-p38634
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Are these fake ?
http://www.adverts.ie/22052069
Do you have any concerns? Is it the black baseplates? Or the color of the hanger? (Think it's the lighting in the photo.) On the other hand I would think why bother to fake them? Don't think they are that much sought after. Have only seen the Ray Barbee's with silver baseplates, though.
For comparison: https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ray-barbee-149-hollow-stage-11-skateboard-trucks-5-75-p38634
I dunno his ads seem suspect
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I don't know if they are fakes, might be legit. Maybe the baseplate is sprayed over?
What I do see clearly is they where setup and ridden (marks on axle and baseplate), if you didn't notice.
If the price is right, you might go for it. On the other side: Always trust your guts! When it stinks=pass.
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Yeah, seems like a rather arbitrary selection of stuff. And those orange Thunder bushings look like shit. But with the Indys, I'd say they seem legit. Even the clipper to the key tag seems to be the same as with other sets: https://www.sidewalkshop.dk/vare/7236-independent-hollow-ray-barbee
Everything else (the bushings and washers for instance), too. Only the black baseplates seem uncommon.
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Looks more like a bit of mix and match.
The originals had cast baseplates with a hollow kingpin, but these have forged (lower) plates which are very common on the forged hollow options, or Ti hanger options, so if someone didn't want lower forged plates, they could have easily swapped them over for the standard cast plates that were originally on those trucks.
The fake versions of those baseplates are as thick as the normal cast, as far as I have seen, so I would be going with the genuine new old stock option for them.
Everything else that he has listed looks genuine too, so I would say that is all good stuff, not fake.
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Thanks everyone
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*** Note: I posted this so people can spot fakes and avoid buying them. ***
These ones are being sold by someone on ebay at pretty close to RRP, so it could be a lot easier for someone to fall for them.
Fake Indy forged baseplates for reference, in case I hadn't posted them earlier.
They are cast plates with the forged "print" or stamp graphic of the Indy logo on the bottom, clearly distinguished from the real thing, when you can see what a forged plate looks like.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lVgAAOSwZvdg66g2/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/b4cAAOSwATJhNxeq/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Uz8AAOSwFdphNxeo/s-l1600.jpg)
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*** Note: I posted this so people can spot fakes and avoid buying them. ***
Here is another listing I saw on AU ebay that is a pretty good current list of fake Spitfire wheels.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/154812683372
Might work without the AU as well:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154812683372
And the UK version, seeing as they are UK based:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154812683372
I am not going to post all the different pics they have on that listing, besides the cover shot of the nine different wheels, although at least one - the normal Classic (Full) is not that graphic.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vyQAAOSwTzxh8SAQ/s-l500.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Jm4TVk5/Fake-Spitfire-Wheels-ebay-screenshot-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rFShYy4)
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Good on them for attempting to list down the official product names at least.
I've seen a new batch of fake Indys on Aliexpress in sizes up to 149.
Tiago Mid 139
139 Mid
139 "Lights" with the red baseplate - only hollow kingpin with a solid axle, which Indy doesn't produce
149 Std
159 Std
They even come in the plastic wrapper with blue tape to make it look more legit.
Couple more Thunders as well:
147 HL Suciu
147 HL F**K Off Red
147 HL Kyle Walker Blue + Raw
147 HL Black