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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: chrisskates808 on June 09, 2021, 03:53:52 PM
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Which one do you like better?
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I've had bones STF wheels chip on me before, however, the F4's from spitfire grip and slide than you want them to, spits are the best in my experience.
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Can you change the thread subject to
“Spitfire wheels vs. throwing money in the trash”
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Can you change the thread subject to
“Spitfire wheels vs. throwing money in the trash”
I'll second that.
For those seeking serious advice, here is the difference: Bones suck and Spitfires don't. Easy answer
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Lotta hate for bones in here, they are good wheels - they are the second best big brand wheel you can buy...
F4s just feel better than STFs; Bones were THE wheel before F4s hit the scene and you all fucking rode them.
Bones also has two fucking killer shapes: V3 and V5
Currently riding 99a Spit tabs
Now BONES SPFs are a different story in smooth parks.
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Lotta hate for bones in here, they are good wheels - they are the second best big brand wheel you can buy...
F4s just feel better than STFs; Bones were THE wheel before F4s hit the scene and you all fucking rode them.
Bones also has two fucking killer shapes: V3 and V5
Currently riding 99a Spit tabs
Now BONES SPFs are a different story in smooth parks.
As someone who has ridden neither (I know, the horror) I've been debating which way to go. I've come to dislike the Slimeballs I have because they feel brittle, so I've been looking really hard elsewhere. Spits seem to be almost universally recommended, but I really like the V3/5 cuts and how in depth Bones goes on their site as to weight, patch, etc.
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Lotta hate for bones in here, they are good wheels - they are the second best big brand wheel you can buy...
F4s just feel better than STFs; Bones were THE wheel before F4s hit the scene and you all fucking rode them.
Bones also has two fucking killer shapes: V3 and V5
Currently riding 99a Spit tabs
Now BONES SPFs are a different story in smooth parks.
As someone who has ridden neither (I know, the horror) I've been debating which way to go. I've come to dislike the Slimeballs I have because they feel brittle, so I've been looking really hard elsewhere. Spits seem to be almost universally recommended, but I really like the V3/5 cuts and how in depth Bones goes on their site as to weight, patch, etc.
You can't go wrong with Spit F4s, it would be my first recommendation to anyone.
I like thin wheels, and spit doesn't offer anything but tablets and even then, BONES V3s are still thinner (Ricta make a badass slim conical that's thinner than the V3...but you won't hear about it on this forum because it isn't spitfire, or dialtone or NFG or whatever non-brand new brand brown fucking potato flavor of the month wheel is...next up Canal, they're brown too!
The V5 is such a rad shape, it's like a classic but not a fucking golfball, nice straight edge, it's like a conicalclassic baby.
Also, nothing, I mean NOTHING looks better on an ACE hanger than spitfire classics.
If you are going to skate any wheel out of NHS, it's got to be the Elite branded urethane (another underrated wheel formula on this forum), I actually prefer them to BONES SPF in parks.
Currently riding Spitfire F4 99a tablets (orange) because spit 99a > bones 99a on the terrain I ride...if DLX knows what's good they'd release that 97a formula in a thin wheel (Tablet or Radial slim <- another great shape).
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I was a bones guy until a few years ago. I hated spitfire forever after flat spotting some F4s when they first came out. I tried F4s again after a long time and no comparison much better. The right amount of grip/slide.
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Xen knows his stuff! Spitfire F4, NFG, Bones STF/SPF, OJ Elite/Mini Combo/Slimeballs all have unique characteristics and are reliable wheels. Classic Spits and stuff that comes out of Creative have flatspotted on me so I don't bother with those.
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Lotta hate for bones in here, they are good wheels - they are the second best big brand wheel you can buy...
F4s just feel better than STFs; Bones were THE wheel before F4s hit the scene and you all fucking rode them.
Bones also has two fucking killer shapes: V3 and V5
Currently riding 99a Spit tabs
Now BONES SPFs are a different story in smooth parks.
As someone who has ridden neither (I know, the horror) I've been debating which way to go. I've come to dislike the Slimeballs I have because they feel brittle, so I've been looking really hard elsewhere. Spits seem to be almost universally recommended, but I really like the V3/5 cuts and how in depth Bones goes on their site as to weight, patch, etc.
You can't go wrong with Spit F4s, it would be my first recommendation to anyone.
I like thin wheels, and spit doesn't offer anything but tablets and even then, BONES V3s are still thinner (Ricta make a badass slim conical that's thinner than the V3...but you won't hear about it on this forum because it isn't spitfire, or dialtone or NFG or whatever non-brand new brand brown fucking potato flavor of the month wheel is...next up Canal, they're brown too!
The V5 is such a rad shape, it's like a classic but not a fucking golfball, nice straight edge, it's like a conicalclassic baby.
Also, nothing, I mean NOTHING looks better on an ACE hanger than spitfire classics.
If you are going to skate any wheel out of NHS, it's got to be the Elite branded urethane (another underrated wheel formula on this forum), I actually prefer them to BONES SPF in parks.
Currently riding Spitfire F4 99a tablets (orange) because spit 99a > bones 99a on the terrain I ride...if DLX knows what's good they'd release that 97a formula in a thin wheel (Tablet or Radial slim <- another great shape).
I can't add anything of value. So informative! Thanks so much dude.
I will say I'd assumed (stupidly) that Slimeballs would be the Elite 'thane given the sort of brand prestige. I hear a lot of grumbling that they don't make em like they used to regarding Slimeballs.
As far as F4s go, I'd love something as slim as what Bones offers, and I'd be just as stoked for tabs/Slim's in 97a. I can ride 99s on my local crust, but it needs to be in a fat wheel. I'd like to go thinner (I'm taking Spit classic, 14.5mm patch but without the actual classic rounded walls) and have something around 97 to compensate. My Slimes are 97a but for some reason they just don't ride well around here. I've tried different bearings, boards, and trucks and it's just no bueno.
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Between trucks, shoes, and decks, I'm glad I found f4 and can strike that off of things I obsess over. Just find the f4 shape and hardness you like and call it a day.
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Spitfire F4 classics 99a. I got some f4 tablets and I really liked them but went back to classics. I really wanna try bones again. I had some I didn’t hate them. But I got f4s and never looked back. But I like that bones is made in the US ,spitfire gets every ones money so I can try something else and V3 have my interest. I’m just afraid bones won’t slide and handle the Midwest crust like F4 does. But let’s be real my old ass is skating a park 75% of the time.
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Between trucks, shoes, and decks, I'm glad I found f4 and can strike that off of things I obsess over. Just find the f4 shape and hardness you like and call it a day.
Pretty much this.
Spitfire is #1, Bones a distant #2.
Slide more predictably, flatspot slower, their 99a don't feel mushy and their graphics aren't half bad.
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Between trucks, shoes, and decks, I'm glad I found f4 and can strike that off of things I obsess over. Just find the f4 shape and hardness you like and call it a day.
Pretty much this.
Spitfire is #1, Bones a distant #2.
Slide more predictably, flatspot slower, their 99a don't feel mushy and their graphics aren't half bad.
Agree with both posts.
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I think this has been discussed to death. Spitfires ruled through the mid to late 90s and then took a serious dive in the 00s... I resorted to Bones. Bones SPF in the parks and STF in the streets. Great wheels no doubt but there was always something lacking in the way of feel for me. Also SPF feel like shit unless you are in a smooth park and STF lack control in smooth parks.
Fast Forward to F4s. You get a wheel that slays on everything. I'd say they are slightly less durable than Bones and slightly slower but the slip to grip ratio, shapes, rebound, feel and all terrain applications cannot be beat. It felt good to go home.
Just a subjective opinion. I did a quick detour to the 99a STFs. Also great wheels but F4s rule the game for me. 97,99 and 101... Love them all.
Final thought... Whenever I flatspotted a Bones wheel I could never get rid of it. Flatspotted F4s tend to work themselves out quicker.
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In the middle of lockdown I had a board stolen so a friend lent me one, had bones on it. I was open to the idea they might be ok, rolled five metres on it and felt like I was going to throw up.
He was always "nah i reckon bones are good" but recently talked him into buying some f4 spits and now he can't stop raving about how much he loves them.
Tldr: Spits
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I think this has been discussed to death. Spitfires ruled through the mid to late 90s and then took a serious dive in the 00s... I resorted to Bones. Bones SPF in the parks and STF in the streets. Great wheels no doubt but there was always something lacking in the way of feel for me. Also SPF feel like shit unless you are in a smooth park and STF lack control in smooth parks.
Fast Forward to F4s. You get a wheel that slays on everything. I'd say they are slightly less durable than Bones and slightly slower but the slip to grip ratio, shapes, rebound, feel and all terrain applications cannot be beat. It felt good to go home.
Just a subjective opinion. I did a quick detour to the 99a STFs. Also great wheels but F4s rule the game for me. 97,99 and 101... Love them all.
Final thought... Whenever I flatspotted a Bones wheel I could never get rid of it. Flatspotted F4s tend to work themselves out quicker.
Bones are way too hard to flatspot, both to their advantage and disadvantage. They stay the same size for a long time but are unforgivably hard on anything other than smooth ground.
Bones wheels do chip easily especially your crooked grind wheel, never had a similar problem with Spitfire wheels.
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If you ask me, it's really not a simple as picking on over the other.
I used to be strictly an STF dude, but having tried the lot, I now have a more nuanced opinion.
I can understand that some people don't like the feel of STF, but for really hard wheels (103a/83b), I definitely think Bones are the way to go. The 101a spits don't really feel like F4's anyway, so there's not really any point to them. Besides, the STF's are definitely more durable and flatspot resistant. Flatspots on F4's will roll out nicely from wearing down, but the Bones just don't wanna flatspot in the first place, and they last forever.
As for 99a, however, I reluctantly have to give it to Spitfire. I haven't tried the 97a's yet, but I'm sure they're just more of that special goodness. Like everyone says, there's just something about the way they feel. That being said, the new 99a STF's have come pretty damn close. To anyone who didn't like the "plasticky" feel of the 103"s, I'd definitely give the 99a's a go.
To summarize, there really is only one answer: NFG / Loophole
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I truly hate the vibe of Spitfire. The graphical design and logo is just shit. As a little kid, I thought that burning face was almost as cheesy as the World Industries characters. It literally put me off the entire brand for over two decades, and I still feel dumb being seen riding their wheels.
Also, let's be real here. Spitfire has always been ripping off Bones. Their wheels were garbage until they tried to copy Bones and accidentally made an arguably better urethane formula. Even most of the shapes are directly taken from Bones. But in the end, who cares.
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I truly hate the vibe of Spitfire. The graphical design and logo is just shit. As a little kid, I thought that burning face was almost as cheesy as the World Industries characters. It literally put me off the entire brand for over two decades, and I still feel dumb being seen riding their wheels.
Also, let's be real here. Spitfire has always been ripping off Bones. Their wheels were garbage until they tried to copy Bones and accidentally made an arguably better urethane formula. Even most of the shapes are directly taken from Bones. But in the end, who cares.
I feel the same exact way but about bones. That ugly ass font and the rat logo with the cross bones. The whole branding just stinks of Hof-fart from a dude with a bad Dyet.
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Bones....namely because of the team....
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I have a set of 50mm 99a F4 classics on my main setup, and a set of 50mm 99a Bones STF on my little flatground deck.
Both good wheels, but I absolutely prefer the F4s, they slide a little better.
The 99a Bones STF don't feel plasticky to me at all, if anything they are a hair softer than the Spits.
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interesting to hear about people's experiences and how it can differ from my own.
In my experience stf flatspot way easier than f4. Guess it depends on what type of ground your skating and your style of skating.
I bomb alot of hills that have really rough tarmac. f4 handle it way better than stf
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When I recently restarted skating after a long hiatus I still had some Spitfires on my old set up (old = from 1997). When that snapped I picked up a complete set up, and went for Bones 100‘s for a reason that now eludes me. Anyway they really feel completely different than the Spitfires, plasticky is exactly the right word. I got used to them quickly tho and they do fine for my purposes of rocking schoolyards and the odd streetspot. We have mostly nice pavement in Switzerland tho. As the Bones get smaller I contemplate setting up the old Spitfires with my next deck. The Spitfires look huge compared to the Bones although initially both were 52mm. The Spits are far wider. I can use that extra width as I will upsize from 8.38 to 8.5 deck.
Tl;dr: I currently ride Bones but will probably give some 25 year old Spits a shot soon.
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I’ve flat spotted way more spitfires. But I like the feel of them better. I’ve never had Bones chip away on me or anything.
If Spitfires came white when you bought them it would be perfect world.
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i feel like this topic deserves a little more nuance than it will get here.
bones wheels are faster and wear down slower. spitfires are smoother and more chip resistant. both are pretty damn hard to flatspot.
things like grippiness and how they slide are kind of a matter of preference really. bones take a little more force to push through a slide but you might like that.
i also think spitfire graphics are pretty bad and may explain why graphics on the inside are a thing. yeah the vato rat is played out but they don't put it on all their wheels. wheel graphics don't really take up too much space in my mind though...
for what its worth i would have stuck with bones if they got rid of the STF/SPF distinction and just made an all around wheel formula. i kind of liked the "raw" feeling of bones. hard fast and let out some gnarly noise when you did a good slide. i just hated being stuck with SPFs that only worked in the park, or rocking STFs on a board that i *mostly* rode in the park.
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I was on F4 since it appeared but I tried some v3 slim earlier this year and they are pretty nice. I still have them on a board I use at the "flatland skatepark' here.
I weighed them on a kitchen scale and the 52 v3 slim are fully 140 gram lighter than 52 F4 classics. so if you like a lighter tech setup with slim wheels, Bones is a good option. the only other similar shape are from brands ive never heard of before
im trying out some other bones on a shaped board im only going to ride at skateparks when I go on a trip next week
before f4 came out I was on STF and I always liked them. but that was a long time ago now. I always thought non-F4 spitfire urethane was trash
I sort of agree with the guy about flamehead branding. I dont know if this is universal but a lot of hick guys where I live have that sticker on their truck. I dont think these guys even skate. Both brand have pretty cringe graphics on the wheel. DLX must let their art guy have the wheel graphics as his pet project for corny stuff. at least you can always find a set of the classics with just the spiral. the bones usually only have some weird thing on the side. the ones Im riding have sheep on them. but of course I just turn them around
Have you skated the V3 in the streets? I’m really thinking about them but i kinda want them as a universal park/street wheel. Idk shit about bones so I was thinking v3 easy streets in 54mm instead of the 52/53 I usually skate to help on streets. maybe v1 instead
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Was an F4 purist before trying the NFG square shape. I’ve been on them now for a couple months and I think I might like them better than F4’s. Even though they are 101 duro, they somehow handle crusty, rough ground better than my usual F4 conical full 99a’s.
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I was on F4 since it appeared but I tried some v3 slim earlier this year and they are pretty nice. I still have them on a board I use at the "flatland skatepark' here.
I weighed them on a kitchen scale and the 52 v3 slim are fully 140 gram lighter than 52 F4 classics. so if you like a lighter tech setup with slim wheels, Bones is a good option. the only other similar shape are from brands ive never heard of before
im trying out some other bones on a shaped board im only going to ride at skateparks when I go on a trip next week
before f4 came out I was on STF and I always liked them. but that was a long time ago now. I always thought non-F4 spitfire urethane was trash
I sort of agree with the guy about flamehead branding. I dont know if this is universal but a lot of hick guys where I live have that sticker on their truck. I dont think these guys even skate. Both brand have pretty cringe graphics on the wheel. DLX must let their art guy have the wheel graphics as his pet project for corny stuff. at least you can always find a set of the classics with just the spiral. the bones usually only have some weird thing on the side. the ones Im riding have sheep on them. but of course I just turn them around
Have you skated the V3 in the streets? I’m really thinking about them but i kinda want them as a universal park/street wheel. Idk shit about bones so I was thinking v3 easy streets in 54mm instead of the 52/53 I usually skate to help on streets. maybe v1 instead
yes I do ride the slims in the street but I was trying something new this year, I wanted to get tech again so I really just skate manny pads, low ledges, some slick marble benches and stuff like that. v3 are great for that. however, the v3 shape definitely does NOT work very well for slappies. so if you're into that stay away. that is why I probably will not get them again. Imo the rounded radius of the spitfire classics is the key to slappies with smaller wheels
52mm V3 are unforgiving in the streets, 54mm V3 99a would be a better fit for the streets.
Had my best flatground game on V3 52mm, incredibly light and nimble. Autobahn Street Slims are even skinnier, almost comically skinny.
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It depends where you are skating.
I have boards built up right now with SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101, F4 99 and NFG 95. All have a surface and type of skating that they are better at.
SPF are fastest in baby smooth transition parks. Fucking horrible outside of this, but amazing in.
STF 103 are fast and can slide in baby smooth "street" parks. These were my go-to for years - but I am using them just occasionally now.
F4 101 are probably my favorite all around, are more comfortable than the harder Bones - but aren't quite as fast. If I had to choose one wheel for everywhere it would probably be this.
STF 99 are a bit grippier than F4 99, so good if you are skating super slick surfaces like a brand new park or dusty indoor. They are also good in the street - but don't slide quite as well as an F4 99.
F4 99 are good in the streets, but I find them slow in super smooth parks so seldom skate them.
NFG are good in crust.
I have flat spotted SPF, STF 103 and F4 101 multiple times each. All are good at resisting, but none are bulletproof.
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I see bones makes an 81B SPF now, curious to try them since the new park that opened up is too slick for F4 99s.
(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/2020/BONES_SPF_Product-Banner_1000x300_opt.jpg)
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It depends where you are skating.
I have boards built up right now with SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101, F4 99 and NFG 95. All have a surface and type of skating that they are better at.
SPF are fastest in baby smooth transition parks. Fucking horrible outside of this, but amazing in.
STF 103 are fast and can slide in baby smooth "street" parks. These were my go-to for years - but I am using them just occasionally now.
F4 101 are probably my favorite all around, are more comfortable than the harder Bones - but aren't quite as fast. If I had to choose one wheel for everywhere it would probably be this.
STF 99 are a bit grippier than F4 99, so good if you are skating super slick surfaces like a brand new park or dusty indoor. They are also good in the street - but don't slide quite as well as an F4 99.
F4 99 are good in the streets, but I find them slow in super smooth parks so seldom skate them.
NFG are good in crust.
I have flat spotted SPF, STF 103 and F4 101 multiple times each. All are good at resisting, but none are bulletproof.
Good summary of all of them
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I see bones makes an 81B SPF now, curious to try them since the new park that opened up is too slick for F4 99s.
(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/2020/BONES_SPF_Product-Banner_1000x300_opt.jpg)
They’re really good. I find they have more grip on slick concrete than F4 99s, but the F4s have better grip on slick skatelite
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My last couple sets of wheels have been Bones 99a stf, I like them as much as spitfire 99 but I’d say the spits slide just a tiny bit easier. I remember once I set up new spit 99’s and I pushed fast at my local park and just leaned for a turn and the wheels slid out from under me, I haven’t had that happen with the bones 99’s.
I haven’t had any other Bones in a long time though so idk how the 101’s or 103’s are.
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SPF are fastest in baby smooth transition parks. Fucking horrible outside of this, but amazing in.
It's really absurd how good these are in parks. If I were some SoCal skater with a thousand street parks out me door, I'd absolutely have a set of these. They're like cheating.
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I weighed them on a kitchen scale and the 52 v3 slim are fully 140 gram lighter than 52 F4 classics. so if you like a lighter tech setup with slim wheels, Bones is a good option. the only other similar shape are from brands ive never heard of before
I have a set of 52mm F4 classics and they weigh 53 grams each, so 4 of them are 212 grams. There is no possible way that the bones weigh 140 grams less unless you forgot to take the bearings or trucks off :o
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If spitfires didn’t already come troff lollie yellow off the bat I’d be much happier. Cause I’m old I like my wheels to be as white as possible. But to skate, Spitfires rule. Hands down.
And after reading the Mullen keeps his wheels in the fridge when not in use I can’t not do it myself now. OCD.
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I don't believe there is any possible way that freezing polyurethane wheels has any effect whatsoever. It's probably best to keep unused wheels in a plastic bag in a dry place, but you're not going to change the chemical composition by keeping your wheels alongside your Hungry Man Dinner.
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I don't believe there is any possible way that freezing polyurethane wheels has any effect whatsoever. It's probably best to keep unused wheels in a plastic bag in a dry place, but you're not going to change the chemical composition by keeping your wheels alongside your Hungry Man Dinner.
Mullen is a hero and all, but he definitely throws some spectrum vibes.
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If spitfires didn’t already come troff lollie yellow off the bat I’d be much happier.
I love the potato brown color. Just looks closer to what urethane should look to me. I struggle with the Andy Roy white teeth look of Bones.
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I'm not the demographic for Bones and by the time I am I'll still be riding 54mm Spitfires. F4 or classics I dont give a fuck,lets roll.
Darkstar wheels where complete dogshit though, way back when. They looked cool because they were so skinny,but it was a bitch to pop a bearing in and trying to skate any wooden ramp.
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1 vote for Fred Gall
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Are stf‘s really faster than average wheels ?
I skated new stf wheels but also new bronsons (the cheapest ones) and it’s clearly faster than what I have skated before.
I said it’s the bearings, but one dude at the park said it might be the stf‘s.
Why would they be faster than other wheels? They are super hard. I was skating a slick park.
I skated bones before too, but og Formular
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STF are indeed very fast. So are SPF. I'd say depending on terrain, they are usually faster than F4s but I'm not fan of the slide or feel of them. F4s are way more versatile also.
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Thread necrosis
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=76773.0
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Happens a lot around here. No wonder so many people focus their accounts and come back with a new ID.
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Middle aged guys with no one to talk to…..
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I weighed them on a kitchen scale and the 52 v3 slim are fully 140 gram lighter than 52 F4 classics. so if you like a lighter tech setup with slim wheels, Bones is a good option. the only other similar shape are from brands ive never heard of before
I have a set of 52mm F4 classics and they weigh 53 grams each, so 4 of them are 212 grams. There is no possible way that the bones weigh 140 grams less unless you forgot to take the bearings or trucks off :o
I did a kitchen scale weigh of the two sets of Bones fresh out of packaging and here were the results:
STF 54mm V4 103a = 264g
(The "Wide" which would be similar to a Spitfire Radial)
STF 55mm V5 99a = 255g
(The "Sidecut" which would be similar to a Spitfire Conical)
I'm not sure how much the durometer affects weight. Softer wheels tend to "feel" heavier while skating, but I'm not sure if there is actually a weight/density difference or not.
The Sidecuts are slightly narrower, but have a a similar riding surface.
Hopefully this information is useful to someone out there.
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After skating Bones SPF 84b 60mm V5 I haven't touched my Spitfire 99a 56mm conicals (now 53mm).
I also have conical fulls 97a and 99a classics sitting on the shelf (both in 56mm and ridden only once).
I like how the Bones wheel mentioned above grips and slips on command. They're super fast. The V5 shape is light weight and at 60mm rolls over everything. I do not mind them on rougher ground at all
After going up to 60mm super hard wheels I do not think I can mess with much else for awhile.
I previously would swap hangers with 56mm Ricta Clouds 78a to cruise around but as of late I just keep the bones on (I have had an extra set of hangers with cruiser wheels on them for a year or so with the intention of swapping assemblies depending on situation so as to ride only one deck).
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Tablets all day give me the medicine
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I don't believe there is any possible way that freezing polyurethane wheels has any effect whatsoever. It's probably best to keep unused wheels in a plastic bag in a dry place, but you're not going to change the chemical composition by keeping your wheels alongside your Hungry Man Dinner.
Temperature plays a huge role in any chemical reaction and material degradation. Water has no effect here.
Despite urethane being kinda inert, keeping it in the dark (no UVs) & under low temperature is better to prevent change in color, structure and properties in the long run (it can slowly become brittle).
For a few years storage, it makes sense. For a few months, it's pointless though.
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I must be one of those total pervs that actually likes the color of formula 4.
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Nah. More potato color the better for me also.
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Nah. More potato color the better for me also.
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I like the SF F4 but my favorite wheels. And still rising them because I found a set in my stash. Zero Tommy Sandoval made by Ricta. They don’t have that plastic funny thing in them either. Look like Bones SPF but skate amazing. Ridiculously hard and don’t come out or flat spot. Someone once said they are the “old ricta formula”. Whatever that means.
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I like the SF F4 but my favorite wheels. And still rising them because I found a set in my stash. Zero Tommy Sandoval made by Ricta. They don’t have that plastic funny thing in them either. Look like Bones SPF but skate amazing. Ridiculously hard and don’t come out or flat spot. Someone once said they are the “old ricta formula”. Whatever that means.
Ricta gets zero love on here, but the Super Slim conical shape is tits. Fast, slide great, hard and no flats (so far), not plasticky and not a potato. Did I say that they're HARD = not for the faint of heart or janky streets. The 101a Rictas make 103 STFs feel like 90a and 101 spits like 99s.
Get the naturals or speed rings NOT the Sparx (pp wheel).
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I gave Bones a try again but just puled these jawns off and put some Spitfire OG classics on instead
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These things were fast enough but felt/sounded dead and messed with my pop (and I'm old so I need all the help I can get).
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I'm with some of you folks on this one: I think Bones have the potential to be better than Spits in specific scenarios, but if you're looking for a wheel that does pretty well in basically any setting, Spitfire F4 99s are the way to go.
You CAN'T beat an SPF 84b wheel in a smooth park, super fast and great grip/slip ratio. And the Bones 99a STFs I have found are really good both on super rough ground and where you need some extra grip. Since I tend to ride mostly transition and have the fortune to have 3 pretty new parks in my area I skate regularly, I've been really loving Bones 84b SPFs for a lot of my skating, and rock the 99a STFs for when I skate curbs and stuff.
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I gave Bones a try again but just puled these jawns off and put some Spitfire OG classics on instead
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/279881264_10158517030117551_5011561911585061142_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6inqg4Btqp8AX8XjLRm&tn=aVGVYMjSHEpLCkc0&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT92rECb0QuhBXdIaEEO6CEgtHXQJAlXlhG7NbUnue02gA&oe=62764C12)
These things were fast enough but felt/sounded dead and messed with my pop (and I'm old so I need all the help I can get).
I've been riding 103a STFs and thought they felt a little soft. Picked up a new set (54mm) 103As and they too felt soft, and a little dead..I know it was brought up in a recent thread where the current STF 103s are not what they used to be, I can attest to that they feel like 95...they don't even chirp well anymore; 101a spits/ricta/OJ feel much harder...
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I gave Bones a try again but just puled these jawns off and put some Spitfire OG classics on instead
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/279881264_10158517030117551_5011561911585061142_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6inqg4Btqp8AX8XjLRm&tn=aVGVYMjSHEpLCkc0&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT92rECb0QuhBXdIaEEO6CEgtHXQJAlXlhG7NbUnue02gA&oe=62764C12)
These things were fast enough but felt/sounded dead and messed with my pop (and I'm old so I need all the help I can get).
Yeah, the 99's definitely have a strange deep deadened sound to them. I like the way the rolled, but the slide was awful enough that I just pulled them off my board too.
I've got hopes for Bones/PP's new wheels though.
I'm with some of you folks on this one: I think Bones have the potential to be better than Spits in specific scenarios, but if you're looking for a wheel that does pretty well in basically any setting, Spitfire F4 99s are the way to go.
You CAN'T beat an SPF 84b wheel in a smooth park, super fast and great grip/slip ratio. And the Bones 99a STFs I have found are really good both on super rough ground and where you need some extra grip. Since I tend to ride mostly transition and have the fortune to have 3 pretty new parks in my area I skate regularly, I've been really loving Bones 84b SPFs for a lot of my skating, and rock the 99a STFs for when I skate curbs and stuff.
I've heard so much great stuff about their park wheels.
STF 103a are great, but really situational since they are too hard for streets.
STF 99a have so much potential, but for me they are unrideable due to how awful their slide is. I love how fast they are and how well they tackle rough streets for being 99a. They tackle streets closer to a 97a.
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I gave Bones a try again but just puled these jawns off and put some Spitfire OG classics on instead
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/279881264_10158517030117551_5011561911585061142_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6inqg4Btqp8AX8XjLRm&tn=aVGVYMjSHEpLCkc0&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT92rECb0QuhBXdIaEEO6CEgtHXQJAlXlhG7NbUnue02gA&oe=62764C12)
These things were fast enough but felt/sounded dead and messed with my pop (and I'm old so I need all the help I can get).
I've been riding 103a STFs and thought they felt a little soft. Picked up a new set (54mm) 103As and they too felt soft, and a little dead..I know it was brought up in a recent thread where the current STF 103s are not what they used to be, I can attest to that they feel like 95...they don't even chirp well anymore; 101a spits/ricta/OJ feel much harder...
That's wild. You sure they are 103a? It sounds like you are describing 99a. STF 103a are unmistakably harder than 101a OJ.
If you are 100% sure you bought 103a, then maybe its a packaging/manufacturing error, because that sounds so off base from the 103a's I've rocked. Though to be fair I haven't ridden any in a couple years now.
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I gave Bones a try again but just puled these jawns off and put some Spitfire OG classics on instead
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/279881264_10158517030117551_5011561911585061142_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6inqg4Btqp8AX8XjLRm&tn=aVGVYMjSHEpLCkc0&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT92rECb0QuhBXdIaEEO6CEgtHXQJAlXlhG7NbUnue02gA&oe=62764C12)
These things were fast enough but felt/sounded dead and messed with my pop (and I'm old so I need all the help I can get).
Yeah, the 99's definitely have a strange deep deadened sound to them. I like the way the rolled, but the slide was awful enough that I just pulled them off my board too.
I've got hopes for Bones/PP's new wheels though.
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I'm with some of you folks on this one: I think Bones have the potential to be better than Spits in specific scenarios, but if you're looking for a wheel that does pretty well in basically any setting, Spitfire F4 99s are the way to go.
You CAN'T beat an SPF 84b wheel in a smooth park, super fast and great grip/slip ratio. And the Bones 99a STFs I have found are really good both on super rough ground and where you need some extra grip. Since I tend to ride mostly transition and have the fortune to have 3 pretty new parks in my area I skate regularly, I've been really loving Bones 84b SPFs for a lot of my skating, and rock the 99a STFs for when I skate curbs and stuff.
I've heard so much great stuff about their park wheels.
STF 103a are great, but really situational since they are too hard for streets.
STF 99a have so much potential, but for me they are unrideable due to how awful their slide is. I love how fast they are and how well they tackle rough streets for being 99a. They tackle streets closer to a 97a.
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I gave Bones a try again but just puled these jawns off and put some Spitfire OG classics on instead
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/279881264_10158517030117551_5011561911585061142_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6inqg4Btqp8AX8XjLRm&tn=aVGVYMjSHEpLCkc0&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=00_AT92rECb0QuhBXdIaEEO6CEgtHXQJAlXlhG7NbUnue02gA&oe=62764C12)
These things were fast enough but felt/sounded dead and messed with my pop (and I'm old so I need all the help I can get).
I've been riding 103a STFs and thought they felt a little soft. Picked up a new set (54mm) 103As and they too felt soft, and a little dead..I know it was brought up in a recent thread where the current STF 103s are not what they used to be, I can attest to that they feel like 95...they don't even chirp well anymore; 101a spits/ricta/OJ feel much harder...
That's wild. You sure they are 103a? It sounds like you are describing 99a. STF 103a are unmistakably harder than 101a OJ.
If you are 100% sure you bought 103a, then maybe its a packaging/manufacturing error, because that sounds so off base from the 103a's I've rocked. Though to be fair I haven't ridden any in a couple years now.
They're 103a for sure I have both the 99s and two sets of 103s...the 103s feel really really dead...dry bearings, lots of wheel play...99a spits feel and sound harder...really weird; buddy of mine said they felt really off too...they're also less white, they're not brown like the 99s but they are not as white as they used to be...still a bit off white but for sure less bright.
(https://i.ibb.co/n1GMhhp/Picture1.png) (https://ibb.co/n1GMhhp)
I've shelved both sets tho, bummed but back on Spit F4s and everythings fine. Thinking about SML AGs
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They're 103a for sure I have both the 99s and two sets of 103s...the 103s feel really really dead...dry bearings, lots of wheel play...99a spits feel and sound harder...really weird; buddy of mine said they felt really off too...they're also less white, they're not brown like the 99s but they are not as white as they used to be...still a bit off white but for sure less bright.
(https://i.ibb.co/n1GMhhp/Picture1.png) (https://ibb.co/n1GMhhp)
I've shelved both sets tho, bummed but back on Spit F4s and everythings fine. Thinking about SML AGs
That is so wild. What the hell is going on over there at Bones?
I've actually got a pair of new-ish Bones 103a on the backburner and you're right, they're definitely off-white. Why would they do that?
Are they really affecting usability of the wheel because Spitfire are trendy right now. Do they really think people are going to switch from Spitfire to Bones because their plasticky looking white wheels are now plasticky looking off-white?
I hope they come to their senses. Maybe their new experimental formula will be the the thing that puts them back in a good place. Spitfire is really lacking in the 95-97a range. Seems like a great place for Bones to call their own. Especially with America's crumbling infrastructure and austerity hellscape. Street/ground are getting too shitty for 99a in much of this dying country.
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They're 103a for sure I have both the 99s and two sets of 103s...the 103s feel really really dead...dry bearings, lots of wheel play...99a spits feel and sound harder...really weird; buddy of mine said they felt really off too...they're also less white, they're not brown like the 99s but they are not as white as they used to be...still a bit off white but for sure less bright.
(https://i.ibb.co/n1GMhhp/Picture1.png) (https://ibb.co/n1GMhhp)
I've shelved both sets tho, bummed but back on Spit F4s and everythings fine. Thinking about SML AGs
That is so wild. What the hell is going on over there at Bones?
I've actually got a pair of new-ish Bones 103a on the backburner and you're right, they're definitely off-white. Why would they do that?
Are they really affecting usability of the wheel because Spitfire are trendy right now. Do they really think people are going to switch from Spitfire to Bones because their plasticky looking white wheels are now plasticky looking off-white?
I hope they come to their senses. Maybe their new experimental formula will be the the thing that puts them back in a good place. Spitfire is really lacking in the 95-97a range. Seems like a great place for Bones to call their own. Especially with America's crumbling infrastructure and austerity hellscape. Street/ground are getting too shitty for 99a in much of this dying country.
The only reason they switched to the natural 99a from the bright ass white of the first ez streets (and fucked up the forula while doing so) was def a marketing maneuver.
Thing is, while small, there was a group that rode bones because they were bright white. The new 103s and 99s are very close...
'old' 103a STF:
(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/613105/files/37123431/bones-51mm-103a-bones-stf-v1-annuals-wheels-set-of.jpg)
'new' 103a STF:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0727/8445/products/BONESWHEELSSTFSkateboardWheelsPeace54mmV1Standard103A4pk.png?v=1645289151)
new/current 99a stf
(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/assets/boneswheels/productimage/size/524x524/method/padding/v/4096/WSCAENV15499A4.jpg)
1st gen easy streets:
(https://www.skatedeluxe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bones-wheels-easy-streets-stf-99a-test-review.jpg)
(https://whscdn.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/1WBON0ST5EBT55W.jpg)
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The only reason they switched to the natural 99a from the bright ass white of the first ez streets (and fucked up the forula while doing so) was def a marketing maneuver.
Thing is, while small, there was a group that rode bones because they were bright white. The new 103s and 99s are very close...
Yeah, it seems so shortsighted.
Here I am... I just want them to skate well. I think bright white Bones look good, I think Spitfires look good. I just want the wheel that lets me skate without having to think about my wheels.
The natural STF 99a are unskateable for me... but based on how people talked about the white 99a, those things are a dream wheel for me. Its wild they discontinued it so quick that I couldn't even try them.
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The only reason they switched to the natural 99a from the bright ass white of the first ez streets (and fucked up the forula while doing so) was def a marketing maneuver.
Thing is, while small, there was a group that rode bones because they were bright white. The new 103s and 99s are very close...
Yeah, it seems so shortsighted.
Here I am... I just want them to skate well. I think bright white Bones look good, I think Spitfires look good. I just want the wheel that lets me skate without having to think about my wheels.
The natural STF 99a are unskateable for me... but based on how people talked about the white 99a, those things are a dream wheel for me. Its wild they discontinued it so quick that I couldn't even try them.
Yeah, I've written off the 99a bones for life (unless they bring back the previous formula, which is probably never going to happen). There is no reason to choose them above spit 99a unless you get them for free...and even then I'd sell them and get spits :P
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The only reason they switched to the natural 99a from the bright ass white of the first ez streets (and fucked up the forula while doing so) was def a marketing maneuver.
Thing is, while small, there was a group that rode bones because they were bright white. The new 103s and 99s are very close...
Yeah, it seems so shortsighted.
Here I am... I just want them to skate well. I think bright white Bones look good, I think Spitfires look good. I just want the wheel that lets me skate without having to think about my wheels.
The natural STF 99a are unskateable for me... but based on how people talked about the white 99a, those things are a dream wheel for me. Its wild they discontinued it so quick that I couldn't even try them.
Yeah, I've written off the 99a bones for life (unless they bring back the previous formula, which is probably never going to happen). There is no reason to choose them above spit 99a unless you get them for free...and even then I'd sell them and get spits :P
There ARE "reasons". They are definitely faster and tackle shitty roads better than Spits 99a. But again, the slide is unskateable, what's the point? Insane how bad they fucked that part of the wheel up.
I'm optimistic about Bones turning stuff around though. I've seen so many of their wheels on clearance lately, it has to be a wake-up call for them to change. And again, that new formula is coming out sometime this year... maybe in the next month or two.
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I’m really, really curious about Bones’ new formula they are releasing, 95 or 90a, But that vibrate at an unusually high frequency, allowing for slides.
Apparently it’s been in development for 10 years.
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I’m really, really curious about Bones’ new formula they are releasing, 95 or 90a, But that vibrate at an unusually high frequency, allowing for slides.
Apparently it’s been in development for 10 years.
I've got a little bit of info on that front. As far as I know it will be 90a, 93a, 95a and 97a. Who knows if will change when its released though.
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The 90’s kid in me wants white wheels. Very white. So white that if they started going brown I’d used a white posca pen or something.
I’m not ashamed to admit that.
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Bones are cringe, period
YOU are cringe. Bones are far from cringe.
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Tried riding both sets of the 103a STFs yesterday coming off 101 spits for few days (radial slims)...it was horrible.
They might as well be 100/99a just dull feeling/sounding...they still slide great but zero bark, like they've been muted somehow.
Switched over to my hard-ass-still-white Rictas Slims, night and day; compared to the 101a spits the 101a Rictas are more jarring/less forgiving on spotty terrain...love'em or hate'em, they slide great, like a hard ass wheel, just differently than spits.
Poked around and found a new Ricta release that is a spot on V5 shape, 'Orbital Naturals' the 52s are labeled as a mid so clearly it sits between their slims and wides.
https://rictawheels.com/wheels#naturals
(https://i.ibb.co/yqjCDrq/unnamed.png) (https://ibb.co/yqjCDrq)
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/51mm-reflective-naturals-super-slim-101a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?utm_source=rictawheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=51mm%20Reflective%20Naturals%20Super%20Slim%20101a
The Orbital looks interesting, a skinny conical like a Bones V5.
They even do a Super Slim shape, nice.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/51mm-reflective-naturals-super-slim-101a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?utm_source=rictawheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=51mm%20Reflective%20Naturals%20Super%20Slim%20101a
The Orbital looks interesting, a skinny conical like a Bones V5.
They even do a Super Slim shape, nice.
I’m a fan of the super slims, been skating them since I switched off stf. Great skinny conical. The mids seem v5/side cut…I’ll know if a few days.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/51mm-reflective-naturals-super-slim-101a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?utm_source=rictawheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=51mm%20Reflective%20Naturals%20Super%20Slim%20101a
The Orbital looks interesting, a skinny conical like a Bones V5.
They even do a Super Slim shape, nice.
I’m a fan of the super slims, been skating them since I switched off stf. Great skinny conical. The mids seem v5/side cut…I’ll know if a few days.
So kind of like a V1 with a wider riding surface?
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Less rounded sidewall than a V1
(https://i.ibb.co/TrkPJJd/D964157-B-2-E48-49-B2-8-A75-6-B03-D60-D1-ED6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TrkPJJd)
They’re much more straight/square but a slight rounded lip, like a radial slim slim
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Less rounded sidewall than a V1
(https://i.ibb.co/TrkPJJd/D964157-B-2-E48-49-B2-8-A75-6-B03-D60-D1-ED6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TrkPJJd)
They’re much more straight/square but a slight rounded lip, like a radial slim slim
You son of a bitch im in
Edit: 51mm got me thinking if I want to punish my bones to try these out.
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Less rounded sidewall than a V1
(https://i.ibb.co/TrkPJJd/D964157-B-2-E48-49-B2-8-A75-6-B03-D60-D1-ED6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TrkPJJd)
They’re much more straight/square but a slight rounded lip, like a radial slim slim
You son of a bitch im in
Edit: 51mm got me thinking if I want to punish my bones to try these out.
They're my favorite hard wheel right now (seeing as the last batch of STFs let me down in a big way), and the best slim out there (because it isn't a V3/Satori slim shape/style); they're the Nyjah super slims (52mm) assuming the same width give or take a mm as the 51 SSlims listed.
Did I mention that they're hard?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3384533#msg3384533 (old thread when I got my first set)
(https://i.ibb.co/q0nWm26/RI-Nyjah-Huston-Super-Slim-52-101-pack-99730-1598973655.gif) (https://ibb.co/q0nWm26)
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Tried riding both sets of the 103a STFs yesterday coming off 101 spits for few days (radial slims)...it was horrible.
They might as well be 100/99a just dull feeling/sounding...they still slide great but zero bark, like they've been muted somehow.
Switched over to my hard-ass-still-white Rictas Slims, night and day; compared to the 101a spits the 101a Rictas are more jarring/less forgiving on spotty terrain...love'em or hate'em, they slide great, like a hard ass wheel, just differently than spits.
Poked around and found a new Ricta release that is a spot on V5 shape, 'Orbital Naturals' the 52s are labeled as a mid so clearly it sits between their slims and wides.
https://rictawheels.com/wheels#naturals
(https://i.ibb.co/yqjCDrq/unnamed.png) (https://ibb.co/yqjCDrq)
(https://i.ibb.co/7tn9WHH/IMG-2674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tn9WHH)
shit pic, wheels look totally deformed.
Tad wider than same height bones V5s, essentially the same shape. stoked.