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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: 256 Ply on December 28, 2021, 10:37:07 PM
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- 49mm height (4mm lower that Standard AF1)
- Hollow kingpins standard on all AF1 lows (why don't they have these stock on AF1 standards?)
- 362 grams (32 grams lighter that standard AF1 (how much of that is the hollow kingpin?))
- New cross-beam pinch baseplate design (similar to the Indy pinch)
- Lowered baseplate for more size options across the range (which I think means both the baseplate and hangar is lower, whereas Indy and Venture use the same baseplates with different height hangars for their Mids/Lows)
- 5 sizes: 22, 33, 44, 55, 60 (not 66)
- Respective axle widths: 7.75", 8.0", 8.25", 8.5", 8.75"
- Same Ace embossing on the bottom of the baseplate, with "Low" text
- Includes the axle rethreader die
- Kingpin clearance looks good, looks flush with the axle.
- Bottom bushing looks very short
- Looks like there might be a hole in the baseplate to poke out the pivot cup, but it's hard to tell. This is user-friendly design that Tracker used to have on their trucks, so let's hope they borrowed that idea
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Bizarre.
Why the pinch in the plate?
Why hollow pins for lows and not standards?
Why an 8.75” on a low and not a standard? When many wanted just that? I’m all for it though.
How does a lowered plate make for a range of more sizes?
Hard to see the grind clearance but the old lows were terrible in that regard.
I’ll pickup a set of 44s, I was a fan of the 03s but this as brand messaging is just weird…
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damn i know i shouldnt but the idea of a low 8.75 truck is calling for my wallet
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Would have preferred a classic hollow. Oh well, from the look of things ace is gonna be pushing the AF1 design. I’d expect an ace af1 hollow before a classic.
Also who the hell wants a 49 mm tall truck…
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
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I've avoid Ace for the longest time because I've ridden trucks that extend WB (Thunder, Venture) but at 49mm tall on the 44 I could come around to the brand. Mini Logo were decidedly mediocre, hopefully the hunt for a low truck for 8" and wider decks stops here, or until Venture decides to release a LOW models for 5.6 and above.
If the current AF1 pricing is any indication the new ones will be in the $65 range, a bit rich for my blood.
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
Exactly! I don’t have any need for a low truck (that I know of at least) but an 8.75” AF1 I’d buy immediately.
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"Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in."
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Bizarre.
Why the pinch in the plate?
Why hollow pins for lows and not standards?
Why an 8.75” on a low and not a standard? When many wanted just that? I’m all for it though.
How does a lowered plate make for a range of more sizes?
Hard to see the grind clearance but the old lows were terrible in that regard.
I’ll pickup a set of 44s, I was a fan of the 03s but this as brand messaging is just weird…
If you swap a low baseplate for a reg hanger you get a mid = more sizes
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Would have preferred a classic hollow. Oh well, from the look of things ace is gonna be pushing the AF1 design. I’d expect an ace af1 hollow before a classic.
Also who the hell wants a 49 mm tall truck…
Plenty of my friends who are close to their 50’s and still want to skate street and flip their boards :D
Setups I see mostly are 8” or below with low trucks and around 50mm wheels so maybe I’m just stuck in the past ;)
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Damn, just got a set of thunders but now i ”need” these :D
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What a weird choice for Ace. Same height as Venture Lo and with that height people aren’t looking for a deep Ace carve. According to the few locals I’ve asked they haven’t had anyone ask for a Lo in years except people buying mini’s/kids decks so maybe that’s a market. Do people like Lo’s for slappies?
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I love lo trucks.
I’m also closer to 50.
These look nice.
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I guess ace thinks they can eat into the venture market after taking a chunk out of the indy fan base the last few years.
They look fun, but I’m not a low truck guy
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What a weird choice for Ace. Same height as Venture Lo and with that height people aren’t looking for a deep Ace carve. According to the few locals I’ve asked they haven’t had anyone ask for a Lo in years except people buying mini’s/kids decks so maybe that’s a market. Do people like Lo’s for slappies?
I've always wondered the same thing - who skates the Ace Lows? Everyone and their mother in my city skates Ace, but I've never once seen a low Ace in the wild, or even on the shelf of a shop. How can they possibly justify releasing an AF-1 Low before an AF-1 Hollow?
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What a weird choice for Ace. Same height as Venture Lo and with that height people aren’t looking for a deep Ace carve. According to the few locals I’ve asked they haven’t had anyone ask for a Lo in years except people buying mini’s/kids decks so maybe that’s a market. Do people like Lo’s for slappies?
I like Lows for my kids setups, so I use Mini Logo, which are significantly lighter than these Ace. It does look like the kingpin clearance is better on the Ace - but I'll still go cheaper/lighter for my 8 year old.
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Why are people assuming the 8.75" won't come in the standard height also?
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What a weird choice for Ace. Same height as Venture Lo and with that height people aren’t looking for a deep Ace carve. According to the few locals I’ve asked they haven’t had anyone ask for a Lo in years except people buying mini’s/kids decks so maybe that’s a market. Do people like Lo’s for slappies?
I've always wondered the same thing - who skates the Ace Lows? Everyone and their mother in my city skates Ace, but I've never once seen a low Ace in the wild, or even on the shelf of a shop. How can they possibly justify releasing an AF-1 Low before an AF-1 Hollow?
Fletch (owner of DOA) has definitely sung the praises of Ace lows. And he used to be a long time Venture guy. Ngl, kinda intrigued by these, I'm a fan of wide/low setups when I'm in low-pop mode, especially if I'm just fucking around on manny pads or non-slappy curbs, which is often. I always wanted to grab some lows but the max 8" width and shit clearance always kept me away, being able to throw some low (and light) 44's on an 8.3" with like 48-50mm wheels - and they still turn - sounds fun as hell to me...Do hope they've sorted the pivot cup shit.
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
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Honestly I'd just be happy with an Ace classic in 8.75. Don't need low, hollow or even AF1. Just a bog standard 60 Classic.
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Anybody else sees how deep the top bushing is sitting or do I see that wrong?
If it is anywhere near the thunder 147 pop feel, turns and has some kingpin clearance that would be great.
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@256 Ply Where did you see this press release?
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Anybody else sees how deep the top bushing is sitting or do I see that wrong?
If it is anywhere near the thunder 147 pop feel, turns and has some kingpin clearance that would be great.
just based off where the axles sit i doubt they pop like thunders despite the height difference
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The 8.75" lows are going to be the most wheelbitingest trucks known to man. With that said I'm still considering getting them.
Also, the pivot cup hole on the board side of the base plate is a super good idea, especially because I seriously doubt that they've done anything to resolve their pivot cup issues
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
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I see myself next summer skating the 60s with fat risers on a Dane or an egg. Because I'm an idiot
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Ace coming in hot with another episode of "shit no one asked for". At this point I'm 100% convinced Joey is just on a Goodfellas style fuck you, pay me business plan.
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The 8.75" lows are going to be the most wheelbitingest trucks known to man.
This. My af1 66 wheelbite real bad on 54mm ricta 92a clouds.
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8.75 lows?
Thanks, thanks a lot.
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
i learned frontside slappies on 49mm trucks (thunder 147 lights are around that height i think). the old royals are like 50mm and i can slappy those fine too. not sure if a lower trucks is better at all, but eh once you know how to do them anything works imo.
i'll probably grab the 44s when they come out. anyone have an idea on a release date?
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
I’m not sure in reality man, lower center of gravitymaybe? I just was just kinda talking out my ass
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
i learned frontside slappies on 49mm trucks (thunder 147 lights are around that height i think). the old royals are like 50mm and i can slappy those fine too. not sure if a lower trucks is better at all, but eh once you know how to do them anything works imo.
i'll probably grab the 44s when they come out. anyone have an idea on a release date?
Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to learn them on any truck. I just mean that I've not heard anyone in the slappy crowd say "gotta get those lows!"
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
i learned frontside slappies on 49mm trucks (thunder 147 lights are around that height i think). the old royals are like 50mm and i can slappy those fine too. not sure if a lower trucks is better at all, but eh once you know how to do them anything works imo.
i'll probably grab the 44s when they come out. anyone have an idea on a release date?
Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to learn them on any truck. I just mean that I've not heard anyone in the slappy crowd say "gotta get those lows!"
I’m a slappy dude and skate thunders but do so simply because I like being lower to the ground, not because I think they make slappys easier.
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
i learned frontside slappies on 49mm trucks (thunder 147 lights are around that height i think). the old royals are like 50mm and i can slappy those fine too. not sure if a lower trucks is better at all, but eh once you know how to do them anything works imo.
i'll probably grab the 44s when they come out. anyone have an idea on a release date?
Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to learn them on any truck. I just mean that I've not heard anyone in the slappy crowd say "gotta get those lows!"
I’m a slappy dude and skate thunders but do so simply because I like being lower to the ground, not because I think they make slappys easier.
Makes sense, you gonna get these?
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My guess is they are trying to get that slappy demo locked before anyone else puts out a low truck that can turn correctly
Is that a thing? I'm an old fart who skates curbs with a dozen other old farts. Nearly everyone is skating Indy or Ace, but no one has low trucks, or has ever even mentioned low trucks. I skate standard Indys and I've never once thought I would slappy better with a lower truck.
i learned frontside slappies on 49mm trucks (thunder 147 lights are around that height i think). the old royals are like 50mm and i can slappy those fine too. not sure if a lower trucks is better at all, but eh once you know how to do them anything works imo.
i'll probably grab the 44s when they come out. anyone have an idea on a release date?
Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to learn them on any truck. I just mean that I've not heard anyone in the slappy crowd say "gotta get those lows!"
I’m a slappy dude and skate thunders but do so simply because I like being lower to the ground, not because I think they make slappys easier.
Makes sense, you gonna get these?
Considering it. I think I’ll just chill for a bit until I see what other people think before I buy. If I hear good things and my local has the 22s I’ll probably try out.
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As a fan of the ACE03, the draw here is that you get a carvey low truck (like Mini Logo...but better ;)) but with less wheelbite than other low trucks, that's the beauty of the ACE geo; I ran them with Bones Hards and they were fucking amazing.
I'm in deep with the Royals at 52mm, not sure I *need* to go any lower tho.
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As a fan of the ACE03, the draw here is that you get a carvey low truck (like Mini Logo...but better ;)) but with less wheelbite than other low trucks, that's the beauty of the ACE geo; I ran them with Bones Hards and they were fucking amazing.
I'm in deep with the Royals at 52mm, not sure I *need* to go any lower tho.
They beat Venture to the punch by releasing a low truck in larger sizes.
And I concur on the Royals, those rock and I foresee myself sticking on them for the next few decks. Gradually shifting my stack to decks with 14.25 WB, maybe 14.38.
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As a fan of the ACE03, the draw here is that you get a carvey low truck (like Mini Logo...but better ;)) but with less wheelbite than other low trucks, that's the beauty of the ACE geo; I ran them with Bones Hards and they were fucking amazing.
I'm in deep with the Royals at 52mm, not sure I *need* to go any lower tho.
id say guinea pigged if anything
talked to a dlxsf rep 1yr ago and they couldnt properly gauge the interest in low ventures over 5.2 (even tho i want em)
id assume if the af1 low does well they might go for it
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Honestly I'd just be happy with an Ace classic in 8.75. Don't need low, hollow or even AF1. Just a bog standard 60 Classic.
If anything, I'd also be happy even with classic 8.75. What would be it called, Ace 50s? Even better if they made those Af1 60's, hollow or not.
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Like venture going high, I suspect it came from feedback of riders and market demand. It ticks a lot of boxes. Lighter, shrinks the wheel base, low but the geo will likely be set back a bit for a balanced pop….decent clearance. Better marketing than a lot of newer trucks.
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Now THIS is what I've been waiting for. I will definitely be grabbing these as soon as humanly possible.
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What turns a lot of people off aces is the fear of wobblyness so making lows might get a different range of customers. (I assume lows are still considered to be more stable)
Also I see these being popular in japan
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I'm here for this.
I've gone back and forth between Venture and Ace for a few years now, currently fully Awake, but these will be purchased no doubt. I love how low and wide feels.
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But you can't turn....
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Like venture going high, I suspect it came from feedback of riders and market demand. It ticks a lot of boxes. Lighter, shrinks the wheel base, low but the geo will likely be set back a bit for a balanced pop….decent clearance. Better marketing than a lot of newer trucks.
Venture went to the low end of high since high trucks are like 98% of the market. I could see these maybe competing with Thunder 147s tho.
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So 2022 is going to be even weirder than 2021 then yeah?
Honestly surprised they didn’t try to first work on some improvements on the AF1 or at least some products (I.e. pivot cups) that would solve some of the issues people are having with them.
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Anybody else sees how deep the top bushing is sitting or do I see that wrong?
If it is anywhere near the thunder 147 pop feel, turns and has some kingpin clearance that would be great.
my thunder lights are 49mm axle clearing so im guessing they would feel the same
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As a fan of the ACE03, the draw here is that you get a carvey low truck (like Mini Logo...but better ;)) but with less wheelbite than other low trucks, that's the beauty of the ACE geo; I ran them with Bones Hards and they were fucking amazing.
I'm in deep with the Royals at 52mm, not sure I *need* to go any lower tho.
talked to a dlxsf rep 1yr ago and they couldnt properly gauge the interest in low ventures over 5.2 (even tho i want em)
id assume if the af1 low does well they might go for it
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BonyEasyIrishredandwhitesetter-max-1mb.gif)
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As a fan of the ACE03, the draw here is that you get a carvey low truck (like Mini Logo...but better ;)) but with less wheelbite than other low trucks, that's the beauty of the ACE geo; I ran them with Bones Hards and they were fucking amazing.
I'm in deep with the Royals at 52mm, not sure I *need* to go any lower tho.
talked to a dlxsf rep 1yr ago and they couldnt properly gauge the interest in low ventures over 5.2 (even tho i want em)
id assume if the af1 low does well they might go for it
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BonyEasyIrishredandwhitesetter-max-1mb.gif)
Haahaha
Perfect.
5.2 lo’s the goat
Young person at the skate shop was aghast: ‘we skate a lot of street, so I need like minimum, 55-56mm wheels’.
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So would these be the trucks Christian Maalouf posted on his stories last month? Doesn't strike me as a low trucks kind of guy but who knows.
Christian Maalouf posted the hollows today
(https://i.ibb.co/kG5Js1D/B9023-F6-E-44-DA-4-DA3-B3-A4-980-AFE6725-B9.png) (https://ibb.co/kG5Js1D)
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My’pologies if anybody’s already asked this, but how would these low baseplates interface with standard AF1 or even Classic geos?
Asking with a mind toward a) potentially reducing kingpin height/grind clearance w/o having to deal w/ the usual IKP issues, and b) getting a hollow pin out the deal while we’re at it.
If Ace sells replacement plates for these like they have with the Classics, AND they work together with their other hangers, AND I can run standard bottom bush w/ low tops to keep the nut’s threads engaged, well… what’s to keep me from Frankentrucking my way to a better Ace?
I’ve got to be missing something here, right?
Help me out with this, y’all.
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My’pologies if anybody’s already asked this, but how would these low baseplates interface with standard AF1 or even Classic geos?
Asking with a mind toward a) potentially reducing kingpin height/grind clearance w/o having to deal w/ the usual IKP issues, and b) getting a hollow pin out the deal while we’re at it.
If Ace sells replacement plates for these like they have with the Classics, AND they work together with their other hangers, AND I can run standard bottom bush w/ low tops to keep the nut’s threads engaged, well… what’s to keep me from Frankentrucking my way to a better Ace?
I’ve got to be missing something here, right?
Help me out with this, y’all.
Probably have to wait until they're in hands to get a definitive answer, but the previous lows were not interchangeable with standards. I'm pretty sure on that, but I'm willing to be wrong. I think with the completely different bushings between standards and lows there's incompatibility in the geometry. Definitely not like newer Indy's where things can be swapped.
edit: just talking about Classics.
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according to euro distributor this lows are pretty much:
- hollow kingping
- af1 hangers
- height reduction comes from baseplate (so throwing an 1/8 riser would make them more or less your current ace height)
beign an ace classic aficionado if they made a classic 60 i would cop no doubt
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As a fan of the ACE03, the draw here is that you get a carvey low truck (like Mini Logo...but better ;)) but with less wheelbite than other low trucks, that's the beauty of the ACE geo; I ran them with Bones Hards and they were fucking amazing.
I'm in deep with the Royals at 52mm, not sure I *need* to go any lower tho.
They beat Venture to the punch by releasing a low truck in larger sizes.
And I concur on the Royals, those rock and I foresee myself sticking on them for the next few decks. Gradually shifting my stack to decks with 14.25 WB, maybe 14.38.
I'm still running the royals in a 14.33ish WB and it's great, tho I think that's more me needing a longer wb rather than the Royals. Great combo tho.
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My’pologies if anybody’s already asked this, but how would these low baseplates interface with standard AF1 or even Classic geos?
Asking with a mind toward a) potentially reducing kingpin height/grind clearance w/o having to deal w/ the usual IKP issues, and b) getting a hollow pin out the deal while we’re at it.
If Ace sells replacement plates for these like they have with the Classics, AND they work together with their other hangers, AND I can run standard bottom bush w/ low tops to keep the nut’s threads engaged, well… what’s to keep me from Frankentrucking my way to a better Ace?
I’ve got to be missing something here, right?
Help me out with this, y’all.
I think you would have to check pics but they look comparable so could easily play mix and match, as I have done with all versions of Indy trucks, when I had them to try.
Looking for spec pics I know I have seen before, but even just looking at the Classics, I would say you could possibly interchange them, but would have to wait until you have the product in your hands to get the true assessment.
Should have just cropped out the side view, but it is easy enough to open in a separate window and compare pics on a computer.
https://i.imgur.com/BWnIk3l.jpeg
EDIT - Found a better pic of the classics but still looking for a good profile pic of the normal AF1 trucks:
(https://www.skateboarder.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/ACEClassic5502a.jpg)
EDIT 2 - found a good AF1 pic:
(https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/images/product_images/200px2x/148578-2-Ace-55AF1.jpg)
Pic from first page:
https://i.imgur.com/6yanbCk.jpeg
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I got Ace’s last year after a decade plus of riding Indy and Thunders. I fucking love them, and the difference is huge imo. I'm gonna ride those Ace’s right into the pearly gates, they’re that fucking good. The turning on them is unfuckwithable. They’ve changed my skating for good, wish I had tried them years ago. Can’t wait to try the lows but still don’t really understand the difference its going to make skating… so lows mean less pop but more stable? And higher chance of wheelbite? So would they be good for a bowl setup then?
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
Exactly! I don’t have any need for a low truck (that I know of at least) but an 8.75” AF1 I’d buy immediately.
Adding my desire for a 8.75 standard AF1. Someone from Ace please view this thread and let your people know what the people actually want
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
Exactly! I don’t have any need for a low truck (that I know of at least) but an 8.75” AF1 I’d buy immediately.
Adding my desire for a 8.75 standard AF1. Someone from Ace please view this thread and let your people know what the people actually want
Yeah… 49mm is a lil insane imo. I really just want a less
heavy ace. strongly considering just getting risers when these are released
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
Exactly! I don’t have any need for a low truck (that I know of at least) but an 8.75” AF1 I’d buy immediately.
Adding my desire for a 8.75 standard AF1. Someone from Ace please view this thread and let your people know what the people actually want
Pretty sure its on the way based on some of the comments on their insta. So is an 88 big boy truck.
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pair with 40-48mm wheels, this could be fun..
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
Exactly! I don’t have any need for a low truck (that I know of at least) but an 8.75” AF1 I’d buy immediately.
Adding my desire for a 8.75 standard AF1. Someone from Ace please view this thread and let your people know what the people actually want
Yeah… 49mm is a lil insane imo. I really just want a less
heavy ace. strongly considering just getting risers when these are released
Isn't 49 what the 0X line already were? It's a pretty standard height for a low truck, I think I have a set of rukus or something that are 47.5 but almost all my lows are right around there...even like the old pre-high/team thunder hollows were 49.5 or so. I mean regular aces are only 52.5, so what did you expect lows to be?
Also I definitely don't recommend the riser thing.. I tried it with both ventures and mini logos in the past and it's interesting but it really seems to add more delay and tippyness than anything. It also just murdered my timing when I did it on ventures. One of those things where for about 10-15 minutes you feel like a genius and then the novelty wears off and you realize you're actually an idiot and this isnt better but rather much worse.
At any rate - I honestly don't even care if they're aces I just want a truck that skates like a loose mini logo 8.38 but doesn't look like it was designed by a first grader. ML might be my favorite truck right now up until the point my board flips over and I have to look at them.
Finally, for the slappy guys, I've skated a lot of trucks around this height and I honestly think wheel size and shape makes a bigger difference than anything. Something small and fat like boardy cakes or 51mm and below conifulls are surprisingly good at "climbing" up and getting you on. Locking in definitely takes some getting used to though.
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The numbers go up by 11 every quarter inch so why is it 60 instead of 66?
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Ridiculous, 49mm is for kids. Ace, release the standard Af1 hollows in 8.75.
Exactly! I don’t have any need for a low truck (that I know of at least) but an 8.75” AF1 I’d buy immediately.
Adding my desire for a 8.75 standard AF1. Someone from Ace please view this thread and let your people know what the people actually want
Yeah… 49mm is a lil insane imo. I really just want a less
heavy ace. strongly considering just getting risers when these are released
Isn't 49 what the 0X line already were? It's a pretty standard height for a low truck, I think I have a set of rukus or something that are 47.5 but almost all my lows are right around there...even like the old pre-high/team thunder hollows were 49.5 or so. I mean regular aces are only 52.5, so what did you expect lows to be?
Also I definitely don't recommend the riser thing.. I tried it with both ventures and mini logos in the past and it's interesting but it really seems to add more delay and tippyness than anything. It also just murdered my timing when I did it on ventures. One of those things where for about 10-15 minutes you feel like a genius and then the novelty wears off and you realize you're actually an idiot and this isnt better but rather much worse.
At any rate - I honestly don't even care if they're aces I just want a truck that skates like a loose mini logo 8.38 but doesn't look like it was designed by a first grader. ML might be my favorite truck right now up until the point my board flips over and I have to look at them.
Finally, for the slappy guys, I've skated a lot of trucks around this height and I honestly think wheel size and shape makes a bigger difference than anything. Something small and fat like boardy cakes or 51mm and below conifulls are surprisingly good at "climbing" up and getting you on. Locking in definitely takes some getting used to though.
Makes sense. I’ve never ridden low trucks and never had any interest, so anything below the 52/53 “medium” to me is way too low.
I just really want a hollow and lighter ace. So my logic behind adding risers was, “ace that is hollow, add 1/8 risers so it’s back to 53mm height”.
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Would have preferred a classic hollow. Oh well, from the look of things ace is gonna be pushing the AF1 design. I’d expect an ace af1 hollow before a classic.
Also who the hell wants a 49 mm tall truck…
Setups I see mostly are 8” or below with low trucks and around 50mm wheels so maybe I’m just stuck in the past ;)
Yeah I’m 30 but I’m from those days too where lows ruled the market and we all skated 7.8 biggest, the 8.25 of the day and 8” were considered 8.5
So all that aside im wayyyyyyyy down for these af1 lows to the max, shut up and take my money ace
I tried the af1 regular, idk too heavy and tall for me and im on a 7.8
The classics were solid hence why I tried the af1 but man that 1mm increase in height hit me like the classic wheel dynamic going from a 52mm wheel to a 53mm wheel and you gotta adjust your whole style
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The numbers go up by 11 every quarter inch so why is it 60 instead of 66?
bc Af1 55s are 8.5, 66s are 8.75" . 60 splits the difference.
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The numbers go up by 11 every quarter inch so why is it 60 instead of 66?
bc Af1 55s are 8.5, 66s are 8.75" . 60 splits the difference.
But there's no difference to be split. It says the 60 is 8.75
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Yes ::)
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all this company had to do was make a truck in between the 44 and the 55 because both of them dont really fit on an 8.5. could've just did an 8.62 truck and called it a day.
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The numbers go up by 11 every quarter inch so why is it 60 instead of 66?
66s are designated for 9" wide axles in the rest of the line, so they had to shoehorn in the 60.
This is what you get when you use made up model numbers instead of measurement numbers 🤷♂️
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So for the people excited about this - what is offered by this truck which isn't offered by the Classic Low? Just the standard AF1 updates?
NGL I don't geek out enough about skating to think about "low vs high" trucks (please don't ban me). What are the specific advantages offered by a low truck, for someone who has pretty much always just bought standard Indys.
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Tail hits faster so it pops faster, pinch is usually really good cuz truck travels less for wheel to hit deck, often times tech people like them since they flip quicker, but mostly people are just used to the height like you are your standard Indy’s.
I always thought boards should scale up in all proportions as size of the deck increases. If you skate an 8 and below then riding a 55mm truck and 54+ wheels is pretty tall feeling and not really proportionate as that setup would be with an 8.5.
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I'm 6'5" and clumsy as hell so I really don't like tall and tippy feeling set ups. I need all the help I can get. The tail hitting quicker helps me keep myself in check and in control too, otherwise I end up trying to do too much with my long legs.
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Thanks for the replies. Do you low truck skaters already skate the Ace Lows? I ask because I literally don't think I have ever seen anyone skate them, so I want to know why you would start now.
I really ask because I have a new 8" deck I picked up from a thrift store and those Ace 03s are like $26/pair on sale at Skate Warehouse, so I am wondering if it's worth it to try something new instead of digging up some crusty 139s.
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Thanks for the replies. Do you low truck skaters already skate the Ace Lows? I ask because I literally don't think I have ever seen anyone skate them, so I want to know why you would start now.
I really ask because I have a new 8" deck I picked up from a thrift store and those Ace 03s are like $26/pair on sale at Skate Warehouse, so I am wondering if it's worth it to try something new instead of digging up some crusty 139s.
I haven’t skated the 03s. And I’ll probably not get these, as I’m pretty dedicated to skating ventures. That being said, low trucks are fun, for me: I like the quicker pop, especially as I’m old, dusty, stiff, tired, etc. That is by far my main reason for sticking with lows. There is a tradition element, as lows were the truck of the day, when I did my best skating.
For your setup: be ok with skating wheels 53 or less (main drawback and the reason why I setup different boards, skating distances on shitty ground with 50s…is a vibe, that sucks). Reduced turning radius.
Enjoy quicker/easier pop. Better pinch. Lower center of gravity. And I’m able to skate longer: low/small setups don’t bother my ligaments like boats do.
I like classics over af1s, on the standard height, and would probably get the 03s over the af1s.
Tom, on here, skated the 03s for a bit.
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I tried lows and in a straight line, cool, but the wheelbite sucked if you wanna turn.
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I tried the 03, idk the quality on the them is iffy
They’re not bad but they just don’t have the low truck stability and they’re a bit too low for that looseness ace has
It was mainly the kingpin and odd bushing size that pushed me away
I can’t tighten them to my liking or else the threads are crazy sticking and I tried swapping in bone hards and the geo got all weird
But I’m definitely gonna try these new af1 lows hands down, no doubt about it
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I tried lows and in a straight line, cool, but the wheelbite sucked if you wanna turn.
I’m not trying to pick on you.
But this lows don’t turn…not true. If you put really large wheels on a regular height truck, you also would not be able to turn, due to wheelbite. I’ve found the same to be true with low trucks: if I put 50 mm wheels and a flat top washer on my venture lo’s, I can turn more than I want.
Which brings me to…where is everyone going with these turns? Pools? Makes sense. Slalom, ditto. But just regular street stuff? I’m a judgmental asshole, and hope everyone does their own thing, but…fuck i could really do with a lot less turning in skating. Too much extra
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I tried lows and in a straight line, cool, but the wheelbite sucked if you wanna turn.
I’m not trying to pick on you.
But this lows don’t turn…not true. If you put really large wheels on a regular height truck, you also would not be able to turn, due to wheelbite. I’ve found the same to be true with low trucks: if I put 50 mm wheels and a flat top washer on my venture lo’s, I can turn more than I want.
Which brings me to…where is everyone going with these turns? Pools? Makes sense. Slalom, ditto. But just regular street stuff? I’m a judgmental asshole, and hope everyone does their own thing, but…fuck i could really do with a lot less turning in skating. Too much extra
yeah this needs to stop
priotizing turning (all trucks do this) for street skaters is silly
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Because turning is fun? What an odd take.
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Because turning is fun? What an odd take.
Turning is super fun! If I only cared about the turn, I’d skate ace classics. Some days I just want to carve around. And I do.
For me, I have more fun, turning some, but landing more tricks/being able to skate longer. Lows help me with that.
I was pointing out that lows can turn, in my opinion, enough. Never looked at any number of parts from the era I hold dear, due to my old age, and thought: ‘fuck I really wish Guy could turn more in his mouse part…’
Or in more recent times: ‘Yuto is good, can’t turn tho’. Trucks are some weird witches brew of maths that effect many different aspects of skating. I don’t like putting all my eggs in one basket, so to speak, with turning being the only, or even main criteria, for the skating I try and do (mainly flatground, cruising around the streets).
My shitty comment about the more turning…I felt like I qualified this, to each their own, obviously, but I, personally, am not a fan of the extra sauce wriggling about that ensues with all of this turning capability. It looks so contrived. We as skaters have overcorrected from tight trucks, imo. A tic tac here or there would be a welcome relief, compared to all of the slow speed safe hands silliness caused by loose trucks. And do not get me started about those with ‘the loosest trucks’. No. Just get a unicycle. You as well Daewon.
Again, I would expect/hope no one would give a shit about my opinion. I shared it because I’m old and cranky, and sharing opinions somewhat anonymously on these boards is amusing, for me.
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I tried lows and in a straight line, cool, but the wheelbite sucked if you wanna turn.
I’m not trying to pick on you.
But this lows don’t turn…not true. If you put really large wheels on a regular height truck, you also would not be able to turn, due to wheelbite. I’ve found the same to be true with low trucks: if I put 50 mm wheels and a flat top washer on my venture lo’s, I can turn more than I want.
Which brings me to…where is everyone going with these turns? Pools? Makes sense. Slalom, ditto. But just regular street stuff? I’m a judgmental asshole, and hope everyone does their own thing, but…fuck i could really do with a lot less turning in skating. Too much extra
I often do u turns skating at the local spot. With 51’s and medium tightness I’d bottom out and bite. I’m 165lbs for reference
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Because turning is fun? What an odd take.
Turning is super fun! If I only cared about the turn, I’d skate ace classics. Some days I just want to carve around. And I do.
For me, I have more fun, turning some, but landing more tricks/being able to skate longer. Lows help me with that.
I was pointing out that lows can turn, in my opinion, enough. Never looked at any number of parts from the era I hold dear, due to my old age, and thought: ‘fuck I really wish Guy could turn more in his mouse part…’
Or in more recent times: ‘Yuto is good, can’t turn tho’. Trucks are some weird witches brew of maths that effect many different aspects of skating. I don’t like putting all my eggs in one basket, so to speak, with turning being the only, or even main criteria, for the skating I try and do (mainly flatground, cruising around the streets).
My shitty comment about the more turning…I felt like I qualified this, to each their own, obviously, but I, personally, am not a fan of the extra sauce wriggling about that ensues with all of this turning capability. It looks so contrived. We as skaters have overcorrected from tight trucks, imo. A tic tac here or there would be a welcome relief, compared to all of the slow speed safe hands silliness caused by loose trucks. And do not get me started about those with ‘the loosest trucks’. No. Just get a unicycle. You as well Daewon.
Again, I would expect/hope no one would give a shit about my opinion. I shared it because I’m old and cranky, and sharing opinions somewhat anonymously on these boards is amusing, for me.
I'm pretty much with you. I'm in full support of low trucks and will be buying these because I'm stoked to have a low truck in a wider size. I like when wheels get worn down to sub 50mm so that's a trade-off I'm more than happy to make. Speaking of "weird witches brew of math" I actually land more tricks (flip tricks included) and skate better with Ace Classics at stock tightness than on a tighter truck, everyone has what works for them ya know? And I like Ace Classics because they're lower compared to the other major brands. When it comes to passing judgement on how other's skating looks I mostly agree with you too - someone spouting that Yuto take is foolish and I have no problem seeing a Philly head hit a little tic tac in a line, but along those same lines I think clowning on Max or Daewon for being on the other end of the spectrum is a little silly too. Anyway - thanks for the well thought out response and I'm under-caffeinated and trying to keep an eye on my 9 month old so hopefully i don't sound like an idiot.
All that being said I'm skating Venture Hi's and 54mm wheels right now. Alright time to pay attention to my spawn.
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Turning not only is fun but it also makes skateboarding easier in my opinion.
If you have trucks with a limited turning you always need to land with precision or tic-tac your way out, and with actual turning trucks you can lean your way out of some sketchy landed tricks.
It’s not the first time I got away with landing a backtail almost 90 degree sideways but carved my way out of it. That wouldn’t work with non turning trucks.
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I tried lows and in a straight line, cool, but the wheelbite sucked if you wanna turn.
I’m not trying to pick on you.
But this lows don’t turn…not true. If you put really large wheels on a regular height truck, you also would not be able to turn, due to wheelbite. I’ve found the same to be true with low trucks: if I put 50 mm wheels and a flat top washer on my venture lo’s, I can turn more than I want.
Which brings me to…where is everyone going with these turns? Pools? Makes sense. Slalom, ditto. But just regular street stuff? I’m a judgmental asshole, and hope everyone does their own thing, but…fuck i could really do with a lot less turning in skating. Too much extra
priotizing turning (all trucks do this) for street skaters is silly
…presented without comment.
https://youtu.be/5f9ItCoey0k
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I tried lows and in a straight line, cool, but the wheelbite sucked if you wanna turn.
I’m not trying to pick on you.
But this lows don’t turn…not true. If you put really large wheels on a regular height truck, you also would not be able to turn, due to wheelbite. I’ve found the same to be true with low trucks: if I put 50 mm wheels and a flat top washer on my venture lo’s, I can turn more than I want.
Which brings me to…where is everyone going with these turns? Pools? Makes sense. Slalom, ditto. But just regular street stuff? I’m a judgmental asshole, and hope everyone does their own thing, but…fuck i could really do with a lot less turning in skating. Too much extra
priotizing turning (all trucks do this) for street skaters is silly
https://youtu.be/5f9ItCoey0k
But Jason dill told all of us in his transworld part it’s not a sport and there’s no professionals
It’s an art, and my art is to tic tac
Turning is cool and all, max, Jesse, and mango look cool but I’m still hands down with yuto, old joslin, and westgate
I wanna be able to get a good stable high pop without having to precisely focus the ball of my feet to keep myself stable at speed and pop
If you can do it your a better skater than me but I suck and I’m from a lost time when cupsoles and blank/shop 7.5 decks sold out because skating was becoming cool again and everyone who didn’t skate wore dc’s and dgk cause skater style is in
Enough of my reminiscing, I can’t wait for these new ace lows
Currently pulling a nostalgia setup and got some krux k5 on a 7.75 and these k5 are honestly nice, I’m gonna say it though, I think they’re just the old geometry from the days they were poppin with the wood, diamond, and polka dot graphics I think stage 3 Krux.
if these new ones are the k5 then the previous terrible version is the k4 and the ones from us old guys years with Louie diamond krux is the k3 when Silas, Louie, Cairo, caswell and cannon rocked them and it was a battle between krux, royals, silver and destructo for who has the more innovative cool truck with the best team
Indy, thunder and venture was for the cool guys who didn’t care and just got hooked up by the shop or what not and just had the best stuff
Yep, good ole days riding lows and 52 was a common wheel size but cool guys rode venture lo 5.0 with 50mm wheels on a plan b or girl deck with bones reds cause reds are the best and those shields better be popped cause the louder the bearing the better
Now you kids got your 8.25-8.75 primitive and deluxe or fa decks with ace, Indy, thunder, venture hi 149-6.0 trucks kingpin nut barely flush on the threads no washers and 56mm formula fours bombing hills and destroying your local skatepark on a daily in hip dickies mc hammer pants
Anyways I suck and that’s my rant
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ACE Insta says 'spring'
So that really means 'summer'
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ACE Insta says 'spring'
So that really means 'summer'
Of next year ;)
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My assumption is that 60s and standard hollow kingpins are on their way and they're just lumping the R&D for that into the AF1 Low's budget. I'm sure it'll be coming to the standards around the same time.
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I’ve been told by an Ace pro that you’ll be able to mix and match low and high to create a mid. This same pro also told me that the washer digs into the hanger a lot, the pop is super light, and that Trahan is filming for their release.
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On the next episode of truck madness
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What’s the advantage of low trucks?
Would you ride smaller wheels and steeper decks with them?
Never had lows. I‘m thinking about getting these or wait till ace classics or af1‘s hollows will be out (what do you guys think when this will happen?)
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Smaller, wheels, steeper decks, tail hits faster so it’s more responsive, lower center of gravity, also less to rotate around/more clearance on flip tricks.
Mostly people who just have skated a long time since low was normal.
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Medium / flat kicks decks suck with them compared to high trucks?
What size are still considered small wheels? Up to 53?
Could those be skated with hard bones bushings?
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Medium / flat kicks decks suck with them compared to high trucks?
What size are still considered small wheels? Up to 53?
Could those be skated with hard bones bushings?
These days 51mm and under are considered small.
52 is the standard
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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.
Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.
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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.
Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.
Probably another 10g?
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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.
Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.
Probably another 10g?
Since the Ace Hollow will be the same approach as the Indy hollow (standard baseplate), I guess we can make a comparison:
Indy 144 -> 398g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-mid-truck-polished-8-25_p139664?cPath=44&brand_id=33
Indy 144 Hollow -> 364 g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-stage-11-standard-hollow-truck-silver-8-25_p130036?cPath=44
Difference between solid and hollow axle/kingpin -> -34g
Ace 44 -> 387g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/ace-44-af1-truck-polished-8-25_p148577?scat=44&view=manu&brand_id=602
Prediction for Ace 44 Hollow -> +/- 353g
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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.
Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.
Probably another 10g?
Indy 144 -> 398g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-mid-truck-polished-8-25_p139664?cPath=44&brand_id=33
Indy 144 Hollow -> 364 g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-stage-11-standard-hollow-truck-silver-8-25_p130036?cPath=44
Difference between solid and hollow axle/kingpin -> -34g
Ace 44 -> 387g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/ace-44-af1-truck-polished-8-25_p148577?scat=44&view=manu&brand_id=602
Prediction for Ace 44 Hollow -> +/- 353g
Aren't Ace Hollows just going to be hollow kingpins though? All the pics so far still have solid axles.
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Ok, I usually ride 52 anyway.
Just checked the weight of the low and compared with the normal classic. It’s only about 10 g difference per truck. I’d say this is nothing.
I wonder what the new hollow aces will weight.
Probably another 10g?
Indy 144 -> 398g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-mid-truck-polished-8-25_p139664?cPath=44&brand_id=33
Indy 144 Hollow -> 364 g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-144-stage-11-standard-hollow-truck-silver-8-25_p130036?cPath=44
Difference between solid and hollow axle/kingpin -> -34g
Ace 44 -> 387g
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/ace-44-af1-truck-polished-8-25_p148577?scat=44&view=manu&brand_id=602
Prediction for Ace 44 Hollow -> +/- 353g
Aren't Ace Hollows just going to be hollow kingpins though? All the pics so far still have solid axles.
(https://i.ibb.co/XFrj1p3/57-B6-F6-C3-008-D-4354-B45-F-B83-F38-B43-B11.png)
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Nice. Thanks for clarifying. Glad they changed their tune on this, when AF1's first dropped they definitely didn't sound like they had hollow anything in the works.
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I messaged ACE and the rep. said the low's will be shipping to shops March 15th.
Negative...just got their spring order form and says mid April.
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I messaged ACE and the rep. said the low's will be shipping to shops March 15th.
Negative...just got their spring order form and says mid April.
Should be perfect timing for me to axel my current trucks and wear down my wheels to an acceptable size to skate loose low trucks and begin this new truck adventure.
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So we're going to get a hollow pin low, then a hollow pin/axle regs af1...but no low hollow axles...just....make everything hollow?
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So we're going to get a hollow pin low, then a hollow pin/axle regs af1...but no low hollow axles...just....make everything hollow?
Ace is the new king of tease.
I'll try a pair, the Royal redesign convinced me that brands outside the big 3 are upping their game and are worth a shot.
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So we're going to get a hollow pin low, then a hollow pin/axle regs af1...but no low hollow axles...just....make everything hollow?
Ace is the new king of tease.
I'll try a pair, the Royal redesign convinced me that brands outside the big 3 are upping their game and are worth a shot.
I wanted the to try the low, but if the AF1 is going full hollow, I'll bite; still digging the royals and really, 52mm (and some 50/51mm wheels) is low enough for me these days.
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60s..
(https://i.ibb.co/q5qC5fw/IMG-20220217-150723.png) (https://ibb.co/q5qC5fw)
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Is just the baseplate lower, or the hanger as well?
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Is just the baseplate lower, or the hanger as well?
Rumour is just the baseplate has been altered allowing you to use a regular hanger creating a 51ish(?) mid.
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Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.
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Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.
Haha wrong thread for this question but is it true that lower top bushing can push the hangar back and make the truck lower and shorten the wheelbase?
While keeping the bottom stock bottom will maintain the geometry
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Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.
Haha wrong thread for this question but is it true that lower top bushing can push the hangar back and make the truck lower and shorten the wheelbase?
While keeping the bottom stock bottom will maintain the geometry
My trucks are the same in everything regarding height and wheelbase except where the kingpin nut sits between normal top bushings and low top bushings.
That said I can feel a touch more stiffness with a lower top bushing, compared to a normal height top bushing, but that was not part of the question.
I would say changing the bottom bushing height will change everything. Changing the top bushing will only change how the truck might feel to turn.
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Different hanger, same plate, different top bushing was what I was told.
Haha wrong thread for this question but is it true that lower top bushing can push the hangar back and make the truck lower and shorten the wheelbase?
While keeping the bottom stock bottom will maintain the geometry
You’re talking about the bushing closest to the deck when you say “bottom?”
If so, yeah, shortening it makes the truck lower and pulls in the wheelbase, but I would tread lightly (maybe 1mm difference at the most?). I’ve never improved the ride of a truck by drastically changing the geometry. You probably risk wearing out pivots, kingpins, and bushings faster, too. This mostly applies to Aces because they have the extra-tall bushings, and I’m not even sure what else you can get out of an Ace by bringing the wheelbase in closer.
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Is just the baseplate lower, or the hanger as well?
Rumour is just the baseplate has been altered allowing you to use a regular hanger creating a 51ish(?) mid.
Just dm’d them (like a man).
We’ll see if they get back to me.
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An Ace pro riding them told me this info, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has no fucking clue.
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Has anyone tried the hard bushings? I'm a big dude, 6'3" 190ish, and want a more stable landing feeling. If these don't do the trick I'll put the originals back in and throw my Ace's back on my cruiser.
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Has anyone tried the hard bushings? I'm a big dude, 6'3" 190ish, and want a more stable landing feeling. If these don't do the trick I'll put the originals back in and throw my Ace's back on my cruiser.
I have them in my AF1 44s. Feels like more of a medium to me. Still very turny, less wheelbite. I think I like them more than the regular ones, to be honest (stock Aces feel silly loose to me lol).
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I ran Bones HArds in my OG Ace Lows everytime to help with wheelbite; plan on getting the ACE hard bushings for the lows as well (provided they make some, no idea if the bushings will 100% different or just the tops).
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https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/ace-raw-60-af1-low-skateboard-trucks
OCD ?
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Has anyone tried the hard bushings? I'm a big dude, 6'3" 190ish, and want a more stable landing feeling. If these don't do the trick I'll put the originals back in and throw my Ace's back on my cruiser.
I haven't but Riptide and venom make all sorts of duros in multiple formulas and sizes so if that's all that's keeping you from switching. I bet you could dial them in by using a slighty firmer barrel if you just want a little less wobble when you don't land bolts.
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Has anyone tried the hard bushings? I'm a big dude, 6'3" 190ish, and want a more stable landing feeling. If these don't do the trick I'll put the originals back in and throw my Ace's back on my cruiser.
I've got a set of the hard bushings and I love them. I'm 6'4 250. Ive got all my flip tricks dialed with them would deff recommend.
Snappy rebound let's you stay in controll while still having that deep turn 10/10
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https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/ace-raw-60-af1-low-skateboard-trucks
OCD ?
Nice find. Aussie shop. Maybe they went straight to Aus, from China.
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https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/ace-raw-60-af1-low-skateboard-trucks
OCD ?
Nice find. Aussie shop. Maybe they went straight to Aus, from China.
It's [kinda] weird to me that they lead off with the lo by shipping the 8.75" which, and I could b wrong, is a size that most wouldn't want in a 49mm/low truck but rather the standard 53mm.
Throw in some ugly colorways and you've got typical ACE logic.
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The have them in available different sizes/ colors not just the 60s.
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Yeah they have all sizes.
I should of written something and not just post a link
Take 2
OCD Has them
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/trucks?pf_v_brand=Ace
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Lows were supposed to be hollow KP right? Nothing in the OCD descriptions.
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Lows were supposed to be hollow KP right? Nothing in the OCD descriptions.
They do have hollow kingpins though.
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Lows were supposed to be hollow KP right? Nothing in the OCD descriptions.
They do have hollow kingpins though.
That's what I thought just the OCD site didn't have it listed...It's ACE...so you never know ;)
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I quickly skated a set today….I think they had hollow Kip’s…I can’t believe I don’t remember. The truck felt pretty good. The geo is not as psycho as the AF1 but better than most trucks. Seems like minimal wheelbite too…..
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You're an idiot. Noone will take whatever you have to say seriously like this. Also what do you even want to happen? An apology for peoples views over a decade ago?
edit: just realized ur just being transphobic. even worse.
focus ur internet
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Hollow KP hey . Getting my geek on
They weigh a little bit more than indy forged hollows
8.5 axles
Indy forged hollow 149 = 359.5 grams
AF1 low 55 = 368.5 grams
Very tempted to get a set of 33's before the OCD sale ends
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You're an idiot. Noone will take whatever you have to say seriously like this. Also what do you even want to happen? An apology for peoples views over a decade ago?
edit: just realized ur just being transphobic. even worse.
focus ur internet
Don’t feed the troll, dude’s been spamming slap lately from multiple accounts.
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I quickly skated a set today….I think they had hollow Kip’s…I can’t believe I don’t remember. The truck felt pretty good. The geo is not as psycho as the AF1 but better than most trucks. Seems like minimal wheelbite too…..
What size wheels? I think I'm one of the very few dummy's that likes medium big wheels and low trucks but haven't tried with aces because I'm a scaredy cat.
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Lows were supposed to be hollow KP right? Nothing in the OCD descriptions.
They do have hollow kingpins though.
That's what I thought just the OCD site didn't have it listed...It's ACE...so you never know ;)
Ha yeah totally.
I tried sending you a link to the PDF as well. Not sure if you check messages though.
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I quickly skated a set today….I think they had hollow Kip’s…I can’t believe I don’t remember. The truck felt pretty good. The geo is not as psycho as the AF1 but better than most trucks. Seems like minimal wheelbite too…..
I think this will be a good truck for you. I think the board had like 53’s on and the geo keeps that similar vertical angle which will help with wheelbite. The one thing I’m wondering is manuals and pinch….
It’s taken me this long to understand that pinch is wheelbite….
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Lows were supposed to be hollow KP right? Nothing in the OCD descriptions.
They do have hollow kingpins though.
That's what I thought just the OCD site didn't have it listed...It's ACE...so you never know ;)
Ha yeah totally.
I tried sending you a link to the PDF as well. Not sure if you check messages though.
I got it, thanks!
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They’re live on the Ace site. Just ordered some 33’s, can’t wait to try em.
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/af1-trucks/products/ace-af1-low-polished
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Looking forward to hearing what people think of them once they are getting into peoples hands. Curious how they will compare to regular height aces. Been enjoying af1 55s lately
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Awesome they’re not crazy expensive too, gonna grab a set of 44
Been waiting for these
*Edit I’m an idiot and got too excited and didn’t realize it’s per truck
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Nah it’s gotta be the thunders maybe but then again those are 52/53mm so
Yes, but my truck madness days theorizes that truck width affects height/tipping/carving
I feel like the wider the trucks the lower the truck gets no matter what they call the height
Like why does my 129 Indy mid feel slightly taller than my 144 mids
But yes these ace lows are the lowest widest trucks on the scene now
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Tie game!
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-trucks-8-75-raw-set-of-2
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Tie game!
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-trucks-8-75-raw-set-of-2
Damn, and I thought the 8.38 were good enough
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Tie game!
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-trucks-8-75-raw-set-of-2
Damn, and I thought the 8.38 were good enough
If you hover around 8.25"/8.3x" like I do, the classic 44s and ML are gold (especially due to their height).
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Tie game!
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-trucks-8-75-raw-set-of-2
Damn, and I thought the 8.38 were good enough
If you hover around 8.25"/8.3x" like I do, the classic 44s and ML are gold (especially due to their height).
Exactly why I’m grabbing a set of those ace af1 lows
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Tie game!
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-trucks-8-75-raw-set-of-2
Damn, and I thought the 8.38 were good enough
If you hover around 8.25"/8.3x" like I do, the classic 44s and ML are gold (especially due to their height).
Exactly why I’m grabbing a set of those ace af1 lows
The ACE low are AF1 only, so no 8.35", still have to get classic 44s for that size.
ACE are fantastic, but ML are a damn close runner up for a low wide truck...granted the forged mindys timing and at 8.75 feels like a direct response to the ACE lows.
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Is this the lowest widest truck on the market? 49mm
Tie game!
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-trucks-8-75-raw-set-of-2
Damn, and I thought the 8.38 were good enough
If you hover around 8.25"/8.3x" like I do, the classic 44s and ML are gold (especially due to their height).
Exactly why I’m grabbing a set of those ace af1 lows
The ACE low are AF1 only, so no 8.35", still have to get classic 44s for that size.
ACE are fantastic, but ML are a damn close runner up for a low wide truck...granted the forged mindys timing and at 8.75 feels like a direct response to the ACE lows.
Exactly why I have a set of 8.38 ML on standby if I’m feeling to go classic low and controlled with turn
Sadly for Indy like I replied in another post the forged Indy just feel off
Just to clarify is it actually true the low af1 is just the baseplate with a regular hangar or the whole truck is actually a low redesign version of the af1?
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Are the hangers interchangeable.
For example if I get the AF1 60 LOWS and do not like the reduced height can I pop those badboys on my current AF1 55 baseplate?
Something tells me to just buy standard 60s
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Are the hangers interchangeable.
For example if I get the AF1 60 LOWS and do not like the reduced height can I pop those badboys on my current AF1 55 baseplate?
Something tells me to just buy standard 60s
I recall some of the early literature saying that the design allowed more truck combinations, so from that I would assume both the baseplate and hanger are different, and that they might be compatible with regular AF1 pieces.
I ordered some of these “low-widers,” so we’ll find out soon lol.
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anyone else gonna rock these with risers or just me?
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Ordered a set. Going to throw some 55 mm wheels on there and hope for the best
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Ordered a set. Going to throw some 55 mm wheels on there and hope for the best
55s ok lows!? Rip
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have these shown up in any shops in the US yet?
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Ordered a set. Going to throw some 55 mm wheels on there and hope for the best
55s ok lows!? Rip
Ive lived a good skate life
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
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have these shown up in any shops in the US yet?
Nope. Here's to hoping they arrive this week. Otherwise I think I'm gonna die.
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
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have these shown up in any shops in the US yet?
Nope. Here's to hoping they arrive this week. Otherwise I think I'm gonna die.
same, really hoping they start to pop up this week, and then hopefully be able to get them with a 15% easter sale discount somewhere this weekend. That's a lot of hoping though
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
I've never been interested in Low trucks (I'll skate Thunder six I want a lower truck) but I have heard that some trucks were designed to purposely let the top washer catch the yolk (?) to stop the turn and prevent wheelbite. It might have been Indy Stage 10s.
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I highly doubt that. When the washer binds it bends the washer and crushes the bushing. It would be a really shitty design.
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It actually kind of worked on Stage 10s. But people missed the depth of turn and so Stage 11s had a more of a carved out yolk.
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my local got em in yesterday i and picked some up. kinda jarring how small the bottom bushing seems compared to the normal truck. I might have to take it apart to compare. i must say though the weight difference feels nice. haven’t skated them yet though.
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
I've never been interested in Low trucks (I'll skate Thunder six I want a lower truck) but I have heard that some trucks were designed to purposely let the top washer catch the yolk (?) to stop the turn and prevent wheelbite. It might have been Indy Stage 10s.
I’m not sure if it was designed intentionally that way, or if it was theorized after the fact, but I’ve totally heard that before. Ventures also bind hanger to top washer.
After skating some af-1 44s the other day, not sure if I’d say too much turn, but the thought of saying that crossed my mind. My thunder 149s turn quick, but oh so much less.
I like lows, because I skated them a lot and it’s comfortable, quick pop is nice, but I have yet to see a low that worked with 52-53mm, and up, wheels.
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
Looked like he was skating then with risers in the new ace ad
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
Can’t really complain about increased wheelbite on low trucks. You just gotta learn to live or make adjustments.
The bushing thing sounds annoying. Bought some of the older lows that I have on ice and can’t wait to bust out and compare.
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
I've never been interested in Low trucks (I'll skate Thunder six I want a lower truck) but I have heard that some trucks were designed to purposely let the top washer catch the yolk (?) to stop the turn and prevent wheelbite. It might have been Indy Stage 10s.
I’m not sure if it was designed intentionally that way, or if it was theorized after the fact, but I’ve totally heard that before. Ventures also bind hanger to top washer.
After skating some af-1 44s the other day, not sure if I’d say too much turn, but the thought of saying that crossed my mind. My thunder 149s turn quick, but oh so much less.
I like lows, because I skated them a lot and it’s comfortable, quick pop is nice, but I have yet to see a low that worked with 52-53mm, and up, wheels.
Ventures also crumble bushings and dent washers. One of the main reasons I always hesitate to go back to them is that I hate having to replace shit on my trucks and in a few months of skating Ventures both my top bushings blew/crumbled, washers bent, and the same shit happens to people I know that enjoy them but are much more patient. A better design principle is a blocker on the yoke like Lurpivs have. Or just using better geometry.
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Curious to see what pros will/are riding the lows. I’ve never skated low trucks but these ace lows are really tempting for whatever reason
Trahan is riding the lows and will have a video part coming out for them.
The feedback I have heard so far isn't great, which is that the top washer has serious issues digging into the hanger and binding the turn so they need a flat washer, and that wheelbite is a real problem.
I've never been interested in Low trucks (I'll skate Thunder six I want a lower truck) but I have heard that some trucks were designed to purposely let the top washer catch the yolk (?) to stop the turn and prevent wheelbite. It might have been Indy Stage 10s.
I’m not sure if it was designed intentionally that way, or if it was theorized after the fact, but I’ve totally heard that before. Ventures also bind hanger to top washer.
After skating some af-1 44s the other day, not sure if I’d say too much turn, but the thought of saying that crossed my mind. My thunder 149s turn quick, but oh so much less.
I like lows, because I skated them a lot and it’s comfortable, quick pop is nice, but I have yet to see a low that worked with 52-53mm, and up, wheels.
Ventures also crumble bushings and dent washers. One of the main reasons I always hesitate to go back to them is that I hate having to replace shit on my trucks and in a few months of skating Ventures both my top bushings blew/crumbled, washers bent, and the same shit happens to people I know that enjoy them but are much more patient. A better design principle is a blocker on the yoke like Lurpivs have. Or just using better geometry.
I will say, ventures definitely are the worst, as far as the washer digging into the hanger is concerned. but from having three different setups at the same time, all with different trucks (venture,Indy and thunder)I’ve found they all have that problem. venture being the worst about it, Indy being the best.
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Inspired by a slider in another post comparing ace/venture, here's the af1 low vs regular using Ace's product pics (adjusted for scale). It'll be interesting to see a real life comparison. If the product pics are
accurate, it looks like the wheelbase will be stretched by about +6mm/.24".
https://www.instarestoration.com/slider/view/3381990e-cb0e-4f4e-9338-8d465cefe330
I'm really interested to see how the wheelbite on these will be with 50-52mm wheels, if thunder 147 wheelbite is of any indication. Maybe this is why thunders are 3-4mm taller for the bigger sizes.
EDIT: Looks like the online images used are either different perspective or prototypes because it has been reported there is no wheelbase offset difference between hi/low.
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
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Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
EDIT:
Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
Are the hangers smaller in height or same size as stock AF1?
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
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Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
Are the hangers smaller in height or same size as stock AF1?
Also curious about this.
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
EDIT:
Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
Are the hangers smaller in height or same size as stock AF1?
It looks like the hangers are the same size. They seem to fit well on the other baseplate, too. There aren’t any Low-specific markings on the hanger, so that would seem plausible.
If the hangers are indeed compatible, the logical next step is frankensteining a 77 Low. I imagine it’s like skating a furniture dolly.
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
EDIT:
Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
Are the hangers smaller in height or same size as stock AF1?
It looks like the hangers are the same size. They seem to fit well on the other baseplate, too. There aren’t any Low-specific markings on the hanger, so that would seem plausible.
If the hangers are indeed compatible, the logical next step is frankensteining a 77 Low. I imagine it’s like skating a furniture dolly.
Awesome if that's the case is grab some 60 LOWS and if I don't like them I'll just swap hangers onto standard af1 baseplates
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Ace already hinted that the Af! lows and regulars would have interchangeable hangers/ baseplates, so you can frankenstein your perfect truck.
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Skated my lows for a few hours yesterday. Coming from two years on Indy Hollows they feel so good. Riding them on worn down 51mm F4’s and stock kingpin threads and I get no wheel bite whatsoever. My only negative observation so far is the baseplate seems to wear down rather quickly(slappy noseslide action)compared to Indy but grinds smoother for sure.
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Skated my lows for a few hours yesterday. Coming from two years on Indy Hollows they feel so good. Riding them on worn down 51mm F4’s and stock kingpin threads and I get no wheel bite whatsoever. My only negative observation so far is the baseplate seems to wear down rather quickly(slappy noseslide action)compared to Indy but grinds smoother for sure.
(Annoying) questions: what width? What kind of skating?
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Skated my lows for a few hours yesterday. Coming from two years on Indy Hollows they feel so good. Riding them on worn down 51mm F4’s and stock kingpin threads and I get no wheel bite whatsoever. My only negative observation so far is the baseplate seems to wear down rather quickly(slappy noseslide action)compared to Indy but grinds smoother for sure.
I bought the 33’s. Street skating bruv
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Skated my lows for a few hours yesterday. Coming from two years on Indy Hollows they feel so good. Riding them on worn down 51mm F4’s and stock kingpin threads and I get no wheel bite whatsoever. My only negative observation so far is the baseplate seems to wear down rather quickly(slappy noseslide action)compared to Indy but grinds smoother for sure.
I bought the 33’s. Street skating bruv
Ok one more (probably most annoying soz): are you like a manual guy or a pinch/press guy?
I've come to accept I'm just a manual guy. Even with ledge tricks I'll basically be manualing along the edge. I've found basically only Indy works for me. Venture and thunder are more for fully press style and the one ace I tried I'd always get wheelbite trying actual manual stuff. I really like the idea of ace but don't want the board completely wonked over while doing something. (This is probably a very personal thing and nobody would even understand what I'm talking about so extra soz lol)
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
EDIT:
Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
Are the hangers smaller in height or same size as stock AF1?
It looks like the hangers are the same size. They seem to fit well on the other baseplate, too. There aren’t any Low-specific markings on the hanger, so that would seem plausible.
If the hangers are indeed compatible, the logical next step is frankensteining a 77 Low. I imagine it’s like skating a furniture dolly.
If the hangers are the same, there is no way to make a mid after all. Was hoping that's the case.
Except just using smaller bushings on the regular plate or bigger ones on the low plate, thereby changing the geometry and fucking up the pivot cups?
Edit: Actually it's way smarter that way. This way you can use all your AF1 hangers as a high and a low, and if you're ok with using risers you can have any height you want, from 49mm to infinity and beyond. Probably gonna buy 55s low
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It’s the geo which saves Aces…..on the AF1 and classics you can skate some pretty big wheels and not worry about wheelbite…..it wouldn’t surprise me the lows is not as bad as a thunder……
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Picked up my 60 Lows and set them up on the orange Classic Eagle w/ 53mm 97A F4 Classics and Big Balls. Since the whole setup is a bit large for anything more than fun at my size, I decided to go for a lazy, surfy parking lot/manny pad board.
Anyway, the trucks. Baseplate has LOW cast into the bottom, so it is different (still have to check compatibility with the regular AF1 hanger). I only took it out for a sidewalk lap last night, but they’re very surfy; you definitely don’t lose the Ace feel with the altered height.
No wheelbite marks yet (on 53s), which was surprising, but I have 50mm F4 Classics in the toolbox if it becomes a problem. I also might experiment with the taller top bushing (from regular-height Aces) to get a little more resistance at the deep end of the turn.
I’ll try to add some wheelbase measurements tonight, but so far they seem good. Almost didn’t feel like low trucks because they have so much more turn when they’re this wide.
EDIT:
Mounting holes (deck): 15 in.
Avg. wheelbase (axles): right around 17.8 in.
So AF1 Low looks to be + 2.8 in. on the wheelbase. Pretty close to the standard-height model.
Are the hangers smaller in height or same size as stock AF1?
It looks like the hangers are the same size. They seem to fit well on the other baseplate, too. There aren’t any Low-specific markings on the hanger, so that would seem plausible.
If the hangers are indeed compatible, the logical next step is frankensteining a 77 Low. I imagine it’s like skating a furniture dolly.
If the hangers are the same, there is no way to make a mid after all. Was hoping that's the case.
Except just using smaller bushings on the regular plate or bigger ones on the low plate, thereby changing the geometry and fucking up the pivot cups?
Edit: Actually it's way smarter that way. This way you can use all your AF1 hangers as a high and a low, and if you're ok with using risers you can have any height you want, from 49mm to infinity and beyond. Probably gonna buy 55s low
The fit/geo seems like it would be a little clunky if you switch to the larger bushings on the Low, but yeah, that’s the only way to make a “mid.” I guess the main perk of sharing the hanger is you can make your Lows whichever width you want if you already have a couple sets of AF1s.
I’ll probably grab a pair of 66s and swap the hanger on the 60 Lows. I’d rather go for a full 9 in. axle on this Orange Eagle since it’s more of a novelty board and put the 60s on a White Eagle, which has better measurements for me.
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I've been skating thunder titanium lights 148's and I just got the ace hollow lows and love them. still having the new truck break in period that everyone hates but its not painful or annoying. I tried the reg af1 44's and I just couldn't do it. felt like I was skating a heavy ass weapon. was scared to try and fling my board around but these lows are rad. I have 52mm spitfire formula 4's and dont have to much of a wheel bite problem. believe they are the same height of the thunders as well referring to a chart someone made of all the trucks or may have been off thunders site.
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https://www.instarestoration.com/slider/view/3381990e-cb0e-4f4e-9338-8d465cefe330
EDIT: Looks like the online images used are either different perspective or prototypes because it has been reported there is no wheelbase offset difference between hi/low.
I think you're good man. You comapred an AF1 Low and Classic but the Classics have a shorter wheelbase. The slider looks good to me
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I've been skating thunder titanium lights 148's and I just got the ace hollow lows and love them. still having the new truck break in period that everyone hates but its not painful or annoying. I tried the reg af1 44's and I just couldn't do it. felt like I was skating a heavy ass weapon. was scared to try and fling my board around but these lows are rad. I have 52mm spitfire formula 4's and dont have to much of a wheel bite problem. believe they are the same height of the thunders as well referring to a chart someone made of all the trucks or may have been off thunders site.
It tightens the wheelbase a bunch I suspect which is why I’m interested….
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https://www.instarestoration.com/slider/view/3381990e-cb0e-4f4e-9338-8d465cefe330
EDIT: Looks like the online images used are either different perspective or prototypes because it has been reported there is no wheelbase offset difference between hi/low.
I think you're good man. You comapred an AF1 Low and Classic but the Classics have a shorter wheelbase. The slider looks good to me
Good catch, thanks for the info. Just ordered some from socal on sale.
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I've been skating thunder titanium lights 148's and I just got the ace hollow lows and love them. still having the new truck break in period that everyone hates but its not painful or annoying. I tried the reg af1 44's and I just couldn't do it. felt like I was skating a heavy ass weapon. was scared to try and fling my board around but these lows are rad. I have 52mm spitfire formula 4's and dont have to much of a wheel bite problem. believe they are the same height of the thunders as well referring to a chart someone made of all the trucks or may have been off thunders site.
How tightened are you skating them? I was just looking at the ones I got and they have a few threads showing on the kingpin out of the box. I usually run the kingpin nut completely flush on trucks.
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Can someone tell me the actual hanger width on the 60s? New ace website sucks and is stuck on the 7.75 details.
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Can someone tell me the actual hanger width on the 60s? New ace website sucks and is stuck on the 7.75 details.
Supposed to be 8.75" (no idea what that translates to in ACE voodoo measurements).
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Aces makes their hangers like 0.1/0.125 shorter than what they say, in both classics and af1, so i would expect the 60s to be 8.625/8.65
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Aces makes their hangers like 0.1/0.125 shorter than what they say, in both classics and af1, so i would expect the 60s to be 8.625/8.65
Mine have always been on the money when I measure with the conical ends of the hanger.
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Can someone tell me the actual hanger width on the 60s? New ace website sucks and is stuck on the 7.75 details.
Supposed to be 8.75" (no idea what that translates to in ACE voodoo measurements).
hanger not axle.
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Can someone tell me the actual hanger width on the 60s? New ace website sucks and is stuck on the 7.75 details.
Supposed to be 8.75" (no idea what that translates to in ACE voodoo measurements).
hanger not axle.
154mm on mine. Axle seems to be bang on 8.75”.
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I've been skating thunder titanium lights 148's and I just got the ace hollow lows and love them. still having the new truck break in period that everyone hates but its not painful or annoying. I tried the reg af1 44's and I just couldn't do it. felt like I was skating a heavy ass weapon. was scared to try and fling my board around but these lows are rad. I have 52mm spitfire formula 4's and dont have to much of a wheel bite problem. believe they are the same height of the thunders as well referring to a chart someone made of all the trucks or may have been off thunders site.
How tightened are you skating them? I was just looking at the ones I got and they have a few threads showing on the kingpin out of the box. I usually run the kingpin nut completely flush on trucks.
maybe like a thread maybe a thread and a half. very bouncy bushings tho. I've only skated them once so far due to being sick/allergies and then weather but im such a pussy with trucks but im liking them
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Can someone tell me the actual hanger width on the 60s? New ace website sucks and is stuck on the 7.75 details.
Supposed to be 8.75" (no idea what that translates to in ACE voodoo measurements).
hanger not axle.
154mm on mine. Axle seems to be bang on 8.75”.
Nice. Thanks! @Roisto i
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Can someone tell me the actual hanger width on the 60s? New ace website sucks and is stuck on the 7.75 details.
Supposed to be 8.75" (no idea what that translates to in ACE voodoo measurements).
hanger not axle.
154mm on mine. Axle seems to be bang on 8.75”.
Thanks! That's a pretty good size
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My brothers is Christ can somebody post the low hanger in comparison to standard af1 hangers.
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(https://i.ibb.co/dPwzZQR/unnamed-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dPwzZQR)
Curiosity got the better of me after riding the Forged Hollow Mindys (which I switched over to a regs forged plate; I'm over IKPs).
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(https://i.ibb.co/dPwzZQR/unnamed-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dPwzZQR)
Curiosity got the better of me after riding the Forged Hollow Mindys (which I switched over to a regs forged plate; I'm over IKPs).
Interested to read what you think of them
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so how does a shorter bushing compare to the regular height bushing?
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so how does a shorter bushing compare to the regular height bushing?
It's....shorter?
The ACE low bushings are about ~.5 mm shorter than the [new] stock indys, not enough to notice any difference. Compared to the regular ACE bottom (Indy aftermarket and Supercush), they are about 1mm+ shorter.
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(https://i.ibb.co/dPwzZQR/unnamed-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dPwzZQR)
Curiosity got the better of me after riding the Forged Hollow Mindys (which I switched over to a regs forged plate; I'm over IKPs).
I like em
I'm curious to know what u think of the bushings..
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(https://i.ibb.co/dPwzZQR/unnamed-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dPwzZQR)
Curiosity got the better of me after riding the Forged Hollow Mindys (which I switched over to a regs forged plate; I'm over IKPs).
I like em
I'm curious to know what u think of the bushings..
Plan to leave'em stock. They already come pretty squashed down, with about 1 and a 1/8 threads showing, front part of the yoke already looks pushed down because of it. We'll see how it goes.
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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
(https://i.ibb.co/NY5Lrq1/C2-CFC417-C6-CC-4-E81-A672-78-AF8-D47-E1-AD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NY5Lrq1)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvFVbVh/8-E648625-E12-F-43-E0-B62-B-2-A6-AB95234-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvFVbVh)
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Edit: Pop-feel was indistinguishable to me coming off the Mindys (also setup on a 14.3x wheelbase); I suck at manuals but the tipping point (to get in, meaning rolling and leaning into the manual not ollie'ing into it) felt normal, not heavy and not light much like the indies, no surprise there (I was recently riding a creature 14.22wb with steep ass kicks and thunders and it was a heavy lift and crazy tippy).
That fact a low truck can turn so well and not wheelbite compared to a taller truck (cast thunder) is crazy...I won't lie tho, heavy ML vibes
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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
(https://i.ibb.co/NY5Lrq1/C2-CFC417-C6-CC-4-E81-A672-78-AF8-D47-E1-AD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NY5Lrq1)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvFVbVh/8-E648625-E12-F-43-E0-B62-B-2-A6-AB95234-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvFVbVh)
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Sounds promising. The 169s I’ve been skating for the past six months are starting to feel dead. I can’t wait to throw these bad boys on my board next week and start putting them to the test.
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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
(https://i.ibb.co/NY5Lrq1/C2-CFC417-C6-CC-4-E81-A672-78-AF8-D47-E1-AD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NY5Lrq1)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvFVbVh/8-E648625-E12-F-43-E0-B62-B-2-A6-AB95234-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvFVbVh)
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Sounds promising. The 169s I’ve been skating for the past six months are starting to feel dead. I can’t wait to throw these bad boys on my board next week and start putting them to the test.
I've been off ACE for a hot minute (rode them religiously for a few years after they launched, weight be damned). Tried AF1s but my set had defects so bad taste (plus heavy); but I'm on a low kick these days and they're a bit lighter....but I'm getting over that since I was on an 8.5 hollow forged mindys (or Royals) and hefty conicals; Are you going 60s? 66s?
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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
(https://i.ibb.co/NY5Lrq1/C2-CFC417-C6-CC-4-E81-A672-78-AF8-D47-E1-AD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NY5Lrq1)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvFVbVh/8-E648625-E12-F-43-E0-B62-B-2-A6-AB95234-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvFVbVh)
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Edit: Pop-feel was indistinguishable to me coming off the Mindys (also setup on a 14.3x wheelbase); I suck at manuals but the tipping point (to get in, meaning rolling and leaning into the manual not ollie'ing into it) felt normal, not heavy and not light much like the indies, no surprise there (I was recently riding a creature 14.22wb with steep ass kicks and thunders and it was a heavy lift and crazy tippy).
That fact a low truck can turn so well and not wheelbite compared to a taller truck (cast thunder) is crazy...I won't lie tho, heavy ML vibes
I saw in the setup thread you have 52mm wheels on. What's the biggest you think you can go before death by wheelbite? I would have assumed 52 was the max due to the height but now I'm curious how big before they max out.
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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
(https://i.ibb.co/NY5Lrq1/C2-CFC417-C6-CC-4-E81-A672-78-AF8-D47-E1-AD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NY5Lrq1)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvFVbVh/8-E648625-E12-F-43-E0-B62-B-2-A6-AB95234-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvFVbVh)
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Edit: Pop-feel was indistinguishable to me coming off the Mindys (also setup on a 14.3x wheelbase); I suck at manuals but the tipping point (to get in, meaning rolling and leaning into the manual not ollie'ing into it) felt normal, not heavy and not light much like the indies, no surprise there (I was recently riding a creature 14.22wb with steep ass kicks and thunders and it was a heavy lift and crazy tippy).
That fact a low truck can turn so well and not wheelbite compared to a taller truck (cast thunder) is crazy...I won't lie tho, heavy ML vibes
I saw in the setup thread you have 52mm wheels on. What's the biggest you think you can go before death by wheelbite? I would have assumed 52 was the max due to the height but now I'm curious how big before they max out.
I've a few bite marks from shit landings but that's going to happen no matter what. The 52s are pushing it (STF V2 start at 52 these days but I want that shape (probably be 6mo+ before I get down to 50mm everyone forgets how long STF last, I would have gone 51mm) but I ride loose; I'd guess 50/51 is really the sweetspot.
It's bad science but I try and match truck height to wheel height give or take a mm, i.e., 55mm trucks 54/55/56mm wheels, 52mm truck 51/52mm wheels, 53.5mm truck 53/54mm, etc., but it also depends on how loose you ride and wheel shape, the tighter you ride the bigger the wheel you can get away with. This also considering no risers. ever. fuck those things.
With any ACE, you don't need to mash the turn to get it going or get where you need to go. It takes less effort. On 52s I can do a full, and pretty tight, 360 with speed, a bit wider than a regular parking space, without wheel bite; on thunders (lites) I can't even match half the arc of turn before they bite trying to match these.
ACE (including the lo) have that hanger movement where they go 'in' before they bite, essentially allowing you a deeper turn faster. It's also why you can ride tighter or harder bushing and still turn; Mini Logo act the same way.
Once you tame the squirrlyness of ACE the small subtle adjustments you can make on the fly really pay off, especially on transition (skating classics/AF1 regs). I missed them more than I thought. This post ended up longer than I wanted it to. Hope it helps.
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How much do they shift the wheelbase? +2.75"?
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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
(https://i.ibb.co/NY5Lrq1/C2-CFC417-C6-CC-4-E81-A672-78-AF8-D47-E1-AD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NY5Lrq1)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvFVbVh/8-E648625-E12-F-43-E0-B62-B-2-A6-AB95234-A6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvFVbVh)
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Sounds promising. The 169s I’ve been skating for the past six months are starting to feel dead. I can’t wait to throw these bad boys on my board next week and start putting them to the test.
I've been off ACE for a hot minute (rode them religiously for a few years after they launched, weight be damned). Tried AF1s but my set had defects so bad taste (plus heavy); but I'm on a low kick these days and they're a bit lighter....but I'm getting over that since I was on an 8.5 hollow forged mindys (or Royals) and hefty conicals; Are you going 60s? 66s?
I did something similar. Rode 55 classics for a bit, tried AF1s, wasn’t a huge fan compared to the classics, rode 44 classics for a while, then some Indy 169s more recently. I skate primarily bigger boards so I grabbed the low 60s. I grew up doing some of my best skateboarding on lower trucks (Royals and Ventures) so I’m hoping that lower truck feeling brings back some of those good vibes.
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I didn’t like the AF1’s grind or turn compared to classics as well. Tried to experiment with classic hangers in AF1 baseplates and the kingpin sat even higher and the pivot nub on a classic hanger is too big to fit into the AF1 pivot cavity.
I recently scored some 1st gen 55 classics off eBay and the pivot nub on these is smaller like the AF1’s. So I’m curious if these 1st gen 55’s being “hi’s” will fit into the AF1 LOW baseplate if I used the “hi” height bottom bushing that comes stock on those, and then paired it with the shorter top bushing from the AF1 lows? Or would the geometry just not match up? I’m interested because the AF1 baseplate will offer more strength for slappies and a hollow kingpin would be kinda cool.
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Session 2 and they felt right as rain...board does sound a bit 'soft' which I remember from riding my first set of AF1s...deck pops crispy new and the shieldless swiss + 103a STFs with a good amount of wiggle wouldn't be the cause. Didn't matter tho, had a good session on them. Maybe it's muscle memory or 'old shoes' but there's zero adjustment period/no break in required.
As for sticky/hard grind I'm just going faster to compensate.
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Session 2 and they felt right as rain...board does sound a bit 'soft' which I remember from riding my first set of AF1s...deck pops crispy new and the shieldless swiss + 103a STFs with a good amount of wiggle wouldn't be the cause. Didn't matter tho, had a good session on them. Maybe it's muscle memory or 'old shoes' but there's zero adjustment period/no break in required.
As for sticky/hard grind I'm just going faster to compensate.
the soft sounding board is my only complaint so far besides getting used to a little heavier truck than used to. love my af1 lows so far. can't wait to get some grooves in the trucks
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4 days in on some low 55s. I come from a venture low background, but have wanted bigger boards and haven't found the right truck. Venture highs are too hefty for me, I've tried pretty much everything else and didn't like them. So far I'm really digging these ace lows. Not much wheelbite with 52mm, quick snappy pop, light and flick well, good manual point, turn really well. The clicking noise is annoying though, hope it goes away soon.
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Has anyone compared the AF-1 lows to AF-1 regulars?
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4 days in on some low 55s. I come from a venture low background, but have wanted bigger boards and haven't found the right truck. Venture highs are too hefty for me, I've tried pretty much everything else and didn't like them. So far I'm really digging these ace lows. Not much wheelbite with 52mm, quick snappy pop, light and flick well, good manual point, turn really well. The clicking noise is annoying though, hope it goes away soon.
Mine clicked for the first time yesterday, which I thought was odd (they're stock btw) but it didn't happen again. I thought I snapped a bolt.
I'm still surprised how little I'm wheebiting, one truck area has no wheel bite marks yet, which is really weird.
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Has anyone compared the AF-1 lows to AF-1 regulars?
so how does a shorter bushing compare to the regular height bushing?
Not sure what you are really after here? They're AF1 lows...they're lower. Having skated AF1s (but not at length) I can safely say in comparison to them:
They're lighter and lower.
They still don't wheebite that much (YMMV).
The bushings are shorter (top and bottom).
The grind is just as hard/slightly sticky.
They 'deaden' the sound of your board slightly.
And most importantly, the turn is still magical.
(I won't speak to pop feel as they're low so it will be different but feels great to me).
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Tried mine today for a little bit. I forgot how loose AF1s are in general out of the box. Did these tighten up for you guys as you skated them?
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Tried mine today for a little bit. I forgot how loose AF1s are in general out of the box. Did these tighten up for you guys as you skated them?
I'm only 3 sessions deep but the 3rd session showed no signs of firming up, if anything I felt a bit more 'play' on center than the day before. It has also been pretty hot out, high 70s/low 80s.
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Tried mine today for a little bit. I forgot how loose AF1s are in general out of the box. Did these tighten up for you guys as you skated them?
Haven’t skated the lows but my 55s were ridiculously loose out of the box. They firmed up maybe even a tad too much for my tastes. Both pairs of 66s I’ve had I think weren’t crazy loose to star with and didn’t loosen or firm up noticeably. Got a fresh pair of 60s to test when I heal up a bit.
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Tried mine today for a little bit. I forgot how loose AF1s are in general out of the box. Did these tighten up for you guys as you skated them?
Haven’t skated the lows but my 55s were ridiculously loose out of the box. They firmed up maybe even a tad too much for my tastes. Both pairs of 66s I’ve had I think weren’t crazy loose to star with and didn’t loosen or firm up noticeably. Got a fresh pair of 60s to test when I heal up a bit.
Coming from Venture lows I definitely had to tighten up my 55 lows. But I'm really enjoying the increased turn and somehow less wheelbite.
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I'm literally out skating and fuck me click click click click wtf happened...?
I know there are solutions which I will apply but man...
Also, stock tightness, at the extreme end of the turn, where it wheelbites, the hanger and washers bind (not the source of the clicking mind) top and bottom…
Switching to flat washers.
Click the link for clicky truck video
https://youtube.com/shorts/8q9XZ7-Peys?feature=share
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I'm literally out skating and fuck me click click click click wtf happened...?
I know there are solutions which I will apply but man...
Also, stock tightness, at the extreme end of the turn, where it wheelbites, the hanger and washers bind (not the source of the clicking mind) top and bottom…
Switching to flat washers.
Click the link for clicky truck video
https://youtube.com/shorts/8q9XZ7-Peys?feature=share
So what's the verdict? Worth the buy or did Ace drop the ball here?
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so how does a shorter bushing compare to the regular height bushing?
Not sure what you are really after here? They're AF1 lows...they're lower. Having skated AF1s (but not at length) I can safely say in comparison to them:
They're lighter and lower.
They still don't wheebite that much (YMMV).
The bushings are shorter (top and bottom).
The grind is just as hard/slightly sticky.
They 'deaden' the sound of your board slightly.
And most importantly, the turn is still magical.
(I won't speak to pop feel as they're low so it will be different but feels great to me).
I'm asking questions about trucks is what I'm after. Thanks for your response.
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I'm literally out skating and fuck me click click click click wtf happened...?
I know there are solutions which I will apply but man...
Also, stock tightness, at the extreme end of the turn, where it wheelbites, the hanger and washers bind (not the source of the clicking mind) top and bottom…
Switching to flat washers.
Click the link for clicky truck video
https://youtube.com/shorts/8q9XZ7-Peys?feature=share
So what's the verdict? Worth the buy or did Ace drop the ball here?
I say worth it for sure
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The clicking never lasts that long for me. A few sessions max.
The reality is new trucks are never as good as they are about to become... that's the price we have to pay for having really great feeling broken in trucks.
I also find new trucks just don't grind as well. It is really hard to assess a truck until you are solid dozen or so sessions in.
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The clicking never lasts that long for me. A few sessions max.
The reality is new trucks are never as good as they are about to become... that's the price we have to pay for having really great feeling broken in trucks.
I also find new trucks just don't grind as well. It is really hard to assess a truck until you are solid dozen or so sessions in.
Agree, all trucks grind 'hard' when new and I'm sure AF1s are no different (as it is I am already used to them); that said, new indys feel better than the rest imo.
Hopefully the clicking will go away. I'm still going flat washers tho, I was pretty freaked at the yoke binding on the washers with just hand pressure...if it's doing it with hand pressure then it's for sure doing it with 180lb of body weight.
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I'm literally out skating and fuck me click click click click wtf happened...?
I know there are solutions which I will apply but man...
Also, stock tightness, at the extreme end of the turn, where it wheelbites, the hanger and washers bind (not the source of the clicking mind) top and bottom…
Switching to flat washers.
Click the link for clicky truck video
https://youtube.com/shorts/8q9XZ7-Peys?feature=share
So what's the verdict? Worth the buy or did Ace drop the ball here?
Worth a buy, especially if you know/understand what you are getting...a low version of the AF1 complete with all the benefits (and issues) that come with AF1s, plus hollow pins and a pinched cross beam plate (whatever that's worth/assuming it's reinforcement due to the lower/thinner plate).
Before I switched to flat washers I loosened them up to flush, clicking stopped but I couldn't hang, too floppy. Quick test with flat washers thread and a half over flush and no clicking so far...perhaps they just needed to be shifted a bit?
When swapping stock top washer to the sleeved flat I noticed the top bushing is smaller in diameter than that of the previous low bushings as there is some overhang of the washer on these whereas there never was before.
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Just weighed an AF1 baseplate+bushings and washers and compared it to the AF1 low.
The low baseplate+stuff is only 20g lighter, not the 33g claimed by ace. So either they're lying or there's something different about the hangers too.
I don't have regular AF1 55, but my lows are 375g without the rethreader in case anybody wants to compare it.
They are 37g lighter than my AF1 66.
Hangers definitely fit into each others baseplates
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Just weighed an AF1 baseplate+bushings and washers and compared it to the AF1 low.
The low baseplate+stuff is only 20g lighter, not the 33g claimed by ace. So either they're lying or there's something different about the hangers too.
I don't have regular AF1 55, but my lows are 375g without the rethreader in case anybody wants to compare it.
They are 37g lighter than my AF1 66.
Hangers definitely fit into each others baseplates
So if you put standard AF1 Hangers in the LOW BASEPLATE I now have a low truck?
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Just weighed an AF1 baseplate+bushings and washers and compared it to the AF1 low.
The low baseplate+stuff is only 20g lighter, not the 33g claimed by ace. So either they're lying or there's something different about the hangers too.
I don't have regular AF1 55, but my lows are 375g without the rethreader in case anybody wants to compare it.
They are 37g lighter than my AF1 66.
Hangers definitely fit into each others baseplates
So if you put standard AF1 Hangers in the LOW BASEPLATE I now have a low truck?
Yep.
"Lowered baseplate for more size options across the range"
If they tweaked the ACE1 low hanger to be lower, than a regular hanger+low plate would be a mid. Not sure anyone has compared the hangers yet?
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Just weighed an AF1 baseplate+bushings and washers and compared it to the AF1 low.
The low baseplate+stuff is only 20g lighter, not the 33g claimed by ace. So either they're lying or there's something different about the hangers too.
I don't have regular AF1 55, but my lows are 375g without the rethreader in case anybody wants to compare it.
They are 37g lighter than my AF1 66.
Hangers definitely fit into each others baseplates
So if you put standard AF1 Hangers in the LOW BASEPLATE I now have a low truck?
Yep.
"Lowered baseplate for more size options across the range"
If they tweaked the ACE1 low hanger to be lower, than a regular hanger+low plate would be a mid. Not sure anyone has compared the hangers yet?
I keep asking but here we are on Slap in the year of our lord 2022 and NOBODY HAS POSTED THE PHOTOS COMPAIRING THE HANGERS.
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Just weighed an AF1 baseplate+bushings and washers and compared it to the AF1 low.
The low baseplate+stuff is only 20g lighter, not the 33g claimed by ace. So either they're lying or there's something different about the hangers too.
I don't have regular AF1 55, but my lows are 375g without the rethreader in case anybody wants to compare it.
They are 37g lighter than my AF1 66.
Hangers definitely fit into each others baseplates
So if you put standard AF1 Hangers in the LOW BASEPLATE I now have a low truck?
Yep.
"Lowered baseplate for more size options across the range"
If they tweaked the ACE1 low hanger to be lower, than a regular hanger+low plate would be a mid. Not sure anyone has compared the hangers yet?
I keep asking but here we are on Slap in the year of our lord 2022 and NOBODY HAS POSTED THE PHOTOS COMPAIRING THE HANGERS.
I feel like I need some type of series of Venn Diagrams to wrap my head around all of these options.
So either just hanger is different, just the baseplate is different, both are different, just the bushing and kingpin height/size are different, or everything is different?
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I'm literally out skating and fuck me click click click click wtf happened...?
clicky truck video
The only thing I can conceive is it's the washers against the kingpin? Like they get preloaded and after a certain angle they snap over to the other side?
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I'm literally out skating and fuck me click click click click wtf happened...?
clicky truck video
I think that’s what happens, the washers and the kingpin. I loosened mine, and it started, but eventually went away. Mystery tho
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Just weighed an AF1 baseplate+bushings and washers and compared it to the AF1 low.
The low baseplate+stuff is only 20g lighter, not the 33g claimed by ace. So either they're lying or there's something different about the hangers too.
I don't have regular AF1 55, but my lows are 375g without the rethreader in case anybody wants to compare it.
They are 37g lighter than my AF1 66.
Hangers definitely fit into each others baseplates
So if you put standard AF1 Hangers in the LOW BASEPLATE I now have a low truck?
Yep.
"Lowered baseplate for more size options across the range"
If they tweaked the ACE1 low hanger to be lower, than a regular hanger+low plate would be a mid. Not sure anyone has compared the hangers yet?
I keep asking but here we are on Slap in the year of our lord 2022 and NOBODY HAS POSTED THE PHOTOS COMPAIRING THE HANGERS.
There's no difference in hanger height, weight or anything else.
Edit: Skatedeluxe just got the lows and weighed them all. The lows really are only 20g lighter than standards.
I'm super hyped on ace at the moment, but they need to be called out on false-advertising pretty much everything they make. They didn't even have to specify a certain weight difference, why do that and then consistently miss it by 40%.
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nigerian prince ass estimates
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I have classic 55’s and set up 44 lo’s and the hangers look quite different. I didn’t weigh them but they seemed manageable compared to an Indy or Venture….
First impressions: I like what they’ve done to my board: longer nose/tail and shorter wheelbase…..
Super low which is what I wanted. The geo is so tight that It’ll be interesting to see what the wheelbite factor will be. I’ve got them set out on my worn down 52’s to start.
It’s consistent to most brands but yah, new stock bushings…..so mushy. I actually like to start new trucks tight and then loosening the, up…..the bushings have other ideas….
It’s exactly what I was asking for though….
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I have classic 55’s and set up 44 lo’s and the hangers look quite different.
What looks different? I just dm'd ace on insta to confirm it's exactly the same.
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It’s a different factory I think…my classic 55’s are bulkier….finishing is way different….these are like a couple years old, so I don’t know if it’s a fair comparison.
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
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It’s a different factory I think…my classic 55’s are bulkier….finishing is way different….these are like a couple years old, so I don’t know if it’s a fair comparison.
Oh sorry, I somehow ignored the word "classics". Yeah AF1 are definitely different than classics.. But AF1 hangers are all the same
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
Good call! I remember someone name checking Pulsifer as being a person that was in the know on quality truck manufacturing process, in relation to Ace. Didn’t know he was involved with Paris tho.
As to the above person mentioning dm’ing ace and getting confirmation: them ace boys kinda cooked. I feel like they just say stuff. Kinda like I’m doing rn. Difference being I’m some internet kook and they are company owners. I remember some comment where it was maybe Joey? Made it sound like the classic and af-1 had the same geometry. Nah. Shit my ace 55 classics seem like a different geo than my ace 44 classics were. Basing that off of me not being able to put a truck tool on the 55 kingpin nut due to the proximity of the hanger to the kingpin, the feeling that the bushings have always been significantly tighter on the 55s, and feeling that I have a much better ollie/flip tricks on the 55s, despite them being way outside my comfort zone size wise.
Anyways, carry on
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
Yep, even the goldish kingpins look identical.
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If they announce inverted kingpins……we should be worried…..
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
This is correct.
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They have great kingpin clearance by the way, which is crazy for a 49 mm truck.
Even better than the regular af1.
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They have great kingpin clearance by the way, which is crazy for a 49 mm truck.
Even better than the regular af1.
I think it only looks better because they come with some thread showing instead of the nut sitting flush.
But it's definitely not worse than on the standards, loving it.
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They have great kingpin clearance by the way, which is crazy for a 49 mm truck.
Even better than the regular af1.
I think it only looks better because they come with some thread showing instead of the nut sitting flush.
But it's definitely not worse than on the standards, loving it.
It's crazy how much clearance they have.
But yeah, almost a full two threads showing as stock and most are going to want to crank them bad boys down out of the box. Mine are still not showing any signs of firming up, quite the opposite.
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I put them side by side, baseplate up. The lows had more lean the the regulars.
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I put them side by side, baseplate up. The lows had more lean the the regulars.
In, out, left, right?
The yoke looks like it pitches down towards the fat part of the baseplate (where the kingpin is), is that what you mean?
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They torque so far inward that it seems like they’d be less inclined to wheelbite……
I’m not counting on it though…..
Fun truck…it’s a bit weird feeling like you are always engaged in a turn but I don’t think they held me back. I’m interested to try to do a bunch of manuals….
Coming off ventures….these grind wayyyyy better….
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
This got me looking at the Paris website, where I see that Paris sells the same skate tool (https://shop.paristruckco.com/collections/accessories/products/paris-skateboard-tool-black) as Ace (for $8 less).
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
This got me looking at the Paris website, where I see that Paris sells the same skate tool (https://shop.paristruckco.com/collections/accessories/products/paris-skateboard-tool-black) as Ace (for $8 less).
Same kit for sure, but $8 more and you get kingpin and axle re-threaders built in with that ACE tool.
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I set mine up with some orangatangs……
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I set mine up with some orangatangs……
O-Tangs lay the most sugary 'thane
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As to the above person mentioning dm’ing ace and getting confirmation: them ace boys kinda cooked. I feel like they just say stuff.
Their answer: AF1 hangers are AF1 hangers - low baseplate for the option.
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I’m super stoked on my set after about six hours still clicking but that’s my only complaint. I like them to the point I may order another set to have as a back up…
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Still clicking for me too. Also one of the brand new bolts fell off twice in a session making me have to chase my wheel around the park. Had to put it on backwards for it to stay on.
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What’s worse pouring trucks in China/not Ermico or at a longboard factory?
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I don't know about the AF1s, because I haven't skated them, but with my old Ace, when they started clicking, I took them apart and rubbed some wax against the place where the cup for the bushing met with the baseplate, and that would resolve it until the wax wore away after a few months.
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So far so good, stock setup I had clicking both tight or loose but it doesn't bother me.
I'm a husky guy so I was wheelbiting on hard turns or leaned front truck turns, normal turns were ok on stock bushings + 51mm wheels. Due to physics, more of an issue on my 55 low + loveseat, less of an issue on 44 low + 8.25. Still less wheelbite than on thunder 147 (which are lower than 148+), but way better turning than thunder + venture low stock or modified.
Unpopular opinion = Not a fan of the mushy bottom bushing.
Recently replaced the bottom bushing + washer with a bones hard bushing, no more clicking, no more wheelbite. Still turns well due to soft top bushing. Normal people who get too much bite may want to go medium bottom + soft top.
YMMV
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What’s worse pouring trucks in China/not Ermico or at a longboard factory?
Who cares.
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Yah to me these feel like Aces answer to thunders…and I think it’s a pretty good job....the clicking is a bit there but that’s not grossly different than a lot of new trucks. Honestly most stock set ups I’m not that psyched on….it’s likely me.
They do the quick nollie pop like a thunder, they twitch like a thunder but you can carve a complete circle in a parking stall like an ace….
The one thing that weirds me out is they make your nose/tail so much longer….I like that in a nose…not sure how I feel about it on the tail.
I question if I can hang with them because you’re never passively rolling…..maybe I’ll get used to it.
These trucks I think are more or less engineered for Spanky……that’s how I see it.
Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
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Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
All this anti-Sino sentiment is so baffling, like 75% of the things you use every day and which work perfectly are not also made in China. Like people in China aren't capable of performing the basic task of pouring the metal for a truck, and if they failed all the time, that a company like Independent wouldn't just find another casting company. I can remember the same thing about Japanese products, and now we regard Japanese products with the same reverence we do for German - it's shorthand for expertly made.
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Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
All this anti-Sino sentiment is so baffling, like 75% of the things you use every day and which would perfectly are not also made in China. Like people in China aren't capable of performing the basic task of pouring the metal for a truck, and if they failed all the time, that a company like Independent wouldn't just find another casting company. I can remember the same thing about Japanese products, and now we regard Japanese products with the same reverence we do for German - it's shorthand for expertly made.
It's irritating...someone has to bring up China-made all the time (in this case someone who rides/prefers Indy/Mindys...)
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Try being Chinese…..
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I’m always curious about the made in China folks…would they date someone from China?
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I’m always curious about the made in China folks…would they date someone from China?
Only if certain body parts were still manufactured at Ermico in San Francisco
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I’m always curious about the made in China folks…would they date someone from China?
Probably not but they sure as hell love their Walmart crap. Murica! 🥴
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I’ve seen Chinese people lose their shit when they find out the sushi chef isn’t from Japan….
Anyhow….back to the trucks….
Did some manuals today…..I wasn’t grossly worse….they are insanely and maybe overly responsive….I could nose manual through a slalom course…if I could ever hold one for more than 4’….
But if you’re on a heelside and want to get to your toe side, it lets you no problem….I just lack balance…
These trucks finishing looks a lot like the new royals….
The trucks set up nicely in that regular Aces even 44’s….just seem like 149 or even 159’s….they are just shit kicker trucks…goes good with 8.5’s and some wide spitfires…..if you’re an 8.125, bones guy…..the lows are perfect….
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I’m so i took these for a whirl today. side by side my 44 classics… and the grind is insanely smooth, like honestly borderline uncontrollable. From everything i heard about af1 i thought the grind was supposed to be sticky?
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Has anyone skated these compared to classic lows? Interested in hearing what the difference is. Looking for a thunder alterative
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Has anyone skated these compared to classic lows? Interested in hearing what the difference is. Looking for a thunder alterative
There is waaaaaaaaaaay more Ace turn/carve than the old Ace lows (which are great btw).
If you still want done thunder in your alternative but want some Ace or Indy turn, try the royals.
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I’ve seen Chinese people lose their shit when they find out the sushi chef isn’t from Japan….
Anyhow….back to the trucks….
Did some manuals today…..I wasn’t grossly worse….they are insanely and maybe overly responsive….I could nose manual through a slalom course…if I could ever hold one for more than 4’….
But if you’re on a heelside and want to get to your toe side, it lets you no problem….I just lack balance…
These trucks finishing looks a lot like the new royals….
The trucks set up nicely in that regular Aces even 44’s….just seem like 149 or even 159’s….they are just shit kicker trucks…goes good with 8.5’s and some wide spitfires…..if you’re an 8.125, bones guy…..the lows are perfect….
You sure about the finish? I’m looking at both right now and they’re miles apart.
Ace are smooth and shiny, royals pitted and dull in comparison.
I feel you on the manny stability, it’s a lot of work on these, especially if you’re not dedicated to that style of trick selection.
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
This is correct.
I'm one of the weirdos who bought the Paris street trucks and they're well made. Super duper turny but they were the tallest trucks I've ever skated..I felt like I was riding on top of a school bus or something. They were also heavy as shit and had really nice bushings that I tried to steal for my indys but I think they were longboard sized or something.
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I’m so i took these for a whirl today. side by side my 44 classics… and the grind is insanely smooth, like honestly borderline uncontrollable. From everything i heard about af1 i thought the grind was supposed to be sticky?
I’d say it depends on what you’re grinding. I mainly grind unpainted curbs and I didn’t notice much of a difference. The AF1s might’ve been a bit “stickier” but the difference was negligible.
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
This is correct.
Paris street trucks ... Super duper turny ... tallest trucks ... heavy as shit ... nice bushings
Definitely the same manufacturer as Ace.
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I'm pretty sure AF1's are poured at the same factory as Paris longboard trucks. They're owned by Joey Pulsifer who is tight with Joey and Shrewgy. If you look on Paris' website their trucks, especially their "street trucks" have the same looking alloy and bushings/washers. He was also one of the first "pilots" to have the AF1's when they were testing them out on his IG posts and whatnot. I think he turned them onto the "proprietary" formula and they went with it.
That's probably a sure bet, looking at some Paris trucks (longboard trucks, not their street offerings which look more pitted) the finish is right on:
(https://i.ibb.co/JF1bftC/BQ26-FBA-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/JF1bftC)
This is correct.
I'm one of the weirdos who bought the Paris street trucks and they're well made. Super duper turny but they were the tallest trucks I've ever skated..I felt like I was riding on top of a school bus or something. They were also heavy as shit and had really nice bushings that I tried to steal for my indys but I think they were longboard sized or something.
I would have tried those street trucks out but the kingpin clearance looks non-existent. Seems like a good truck for someone like me that is heavy and prefers to not use risers, but definitely does cause I can't skate without them now. Did you have hangups or would you say they're worth trying out?
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I’ve seen Chinese people lose their shit when they find out the sushi chef isn’t from Japan….
Anyhow….back to the trucks….
Did some manuals today…..I wasn’t grossly worse….they are insanely and maybe overly responsive….I could nose manual through a slalom course…if I could ever hold one for more than 4’….
But if you’re on a heelside and want to get to your toe side, it lets you no problem….I just lack balance…
These trucks finishing looks a lot like the new royals….
The trucks set up nicely in that regular Aces even 44’s….just seem like 149 or even 159’s….they are just shit kicker trucks…goes good with 8.5’s and some wide spitfires…..if you’re an 8.125, bones guy…..the lows are perfect….
You sure about the finish? I’m looking at both right now and they’re miles apart.
Ace are smooth and shiny, royals pitted and dull in comparison.
I feel you on the manny stability, it’s a lot of work on these, especially if you’re not dedicated to that style of trick selection.
Honestly, I just heard they were from the same factory from people who I trust…the polished look of the hanger looked similar.
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New Royals | ACE AF1 Low
(https://i.ibb.co/HxB92xS/unnamed-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HxB92xS)
New royals are hardly polished, just saying. AF1s have the most mirrored finish I've seen this side of the Tensor Aluminum.
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Fair ball I stand corrected…..
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If anyone wants a set of skated-only-once AF1 low 60s for reasonably below market price PM me. Nothing wrong with them - just thinking I’d rather commit to Indy 159s if I’m going to spend a few weeks breaking in a new set of 8.75” trucks.
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Not sure if this is a known Q/A issue, but when I was at the shop yesterday I was looking at a set of the lows and the kingpin on one was seriously misaligned.
Like at least an 5mm (~1/6 of an inch) visually off-center looking at the truck from the back - enough to actually notice it.
It might have just been bushing misalignment, but it appeared to be along the entire kingpin axis?
Forgot to take a picture but next time I stop in if they're still there I will.
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Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
All this anti-Sino sentiment is so baffling, like 75% of the things you use every day and which work perfectly are not also made in China. Like people in China aren't capable of performing the basic task of pouring the metal for a truck, and if they failed all the time, that a company like Independent wouldn't just find another casting company. I can remember the same thing about Japanese products, and now we regard Japanese products with the same reverence we do for German - it's shorthand for expertly made.
I want to be clear my comment was sarcasm as I ride and enjoy Indy’s.
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Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
All this anti-Sino sentiment is so baffling, like 75% of the things you use every day and which would perfectly are not also made in China. Like people in China aren't capable of performing the basic task of pouring the metal for a truck, and if they failed all the time, that a company like Independent wouldn't just find another casting company. I can remember the same thing about Japanese products, and now we regard Japanese products with the same reverence we do for German - it's shorthand for expertly made.
It's irritating...someone has to bring up China-made all the time (in this case someone who rides/prefers Indy/Mindys...)
Apparently the sarcasm completely missed you. I don’t give a flying fuck where a truck is made. I’ve often pointed out the irony of protectionist and borderline xenophobic arguments on here and been thoroughly kooked for it.
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Has anyone skated these compared to classic lows? Interested in hearing what the difference is. Looking for a thunder alterative
There is waaaaaaaaaaay more Ace turn/carve than the old Ace lows (which are great btw).
If you still want done thunder in your alternative but want some Ace or Indy turn, try the royals.
Just curious since you have all these and have spent time on them, although this is an Ace thread is there a case now where you would want to use Thunders again over say a Royal or Ace low?
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Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
All this anti-Sino sentiment is so baffling, like 75% of the things you use every day and which would perfectly are not also made in China. Like people in China aren't capable of performing the basic task of pouring the metal for a truck, and if they failed all the time, that a company like Independent wouldn't just find another casting company. I can remember the same thing about Japanese products, and now we regard Japanese products with the same reverence we do for German - it's shorthand for expertly made.
It's irritating...someone has to bring up China-made all the time (in this case someone who rides/prefers Indy/Mindys...)
Apparently the sarcasm completely missed you. I don’t give a flying fuck where a truck is made. I’ve often pointed out the irony of protectionist and borderline xenophobic arguments on here and been thoroughly kooked for it.
I’ve made several ‘protectionist’ (I prefer ‘buy local’ but hey), comments on this subject. I hope none of it was construed as xenophobic. My preference is buy the things made close, but I’m so thirsty for the gear gains, I’ll buy trucks from wherever. From the shop.
Since it’s been mentioned…I make a lot of comments, too many really, so I wouldn’t know where the kooks come from. And neither do you. Only bri…beetle juice knows the whole story.
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There's nothing anti-Sino about wanting skate product made closer to home. There are so many great reasons to support local manufacturing. Ermico's history is deep (labor struggles and all) and it would be a shame to lose it.
With Covid and war who knows how hard it's going to get to get Chinese made goods on a reliable/ regular basis. Or if the Chinese economy outpaces the US's and their Middle Class climbs the economic ladder to such a level that the tables are turned and we can no longer afford to have goods made over there...
The US has shot itself in the foot by surrendering too much of its manufacturing capability... I know if I lost my job, a temp factory job would be more appealing than driving Uber.
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There's nothing anti-Sino about wanting skate product made closer to home. There are so many great reasons to support local manufacturing. Ermico's history is deep (labor struggles and all) and it would be a shame to lose it.
With Covid and war who knows how hard it's going to get to get Chinese made goods on a reliable/ regular basis. Or if the Chinese economy outpaces the US's and their Middle Class climbs the economic ladder to such a level that the tables are turned and we can no longer afford to have goods made over there...
The US has shot itself in the foot by surrendering too much of its manufacturing capability... I know if I lost my job, a temp factory job would be more appealing than driving Uber.
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Has anyone skated these compared to classic lows? Interested in hearing what the difference is. Looking for a thunder alterative
There is waaaaaaaaaaay more Ace turn/carve than the old Ace lows (which are great btw).
If you still want some thunder in your alternative but want some Ace or Indy turn, try the royals.
Just curious since you have all these and have spent time on them, although this is an Ace thread is there a case now where you would want to use Thunders again over say a Royal or Ace low?
Nope. If I want a low truck (~52) I'd go ACE>Mindy forged
Mid = Royal/Indy forged (tie)
If I rode tight trucks, Thunder / Venture (or Royals) for sure but I'd pick royals over thunder every time. I just prefer more carve than thunder provides (and less wheelbite...which if I skated tighter would they'd be fine).
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Just got mine.
Bushings are lower/smaller
Height reduction is in the baseplate so if you don't like them like myself at least I can put hangers on Standard AF1 Baseplate.
I'm pretty fat but was surprised at how well they turned out they are not for me. Infact it made me realize I should put risers on my standards to make them even taller.
Tldr
There like a thunder that turns but deff not for us fatboys
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Re factory? I guarantee if Lurpiv went to these guys they wouldn’t be where they are…….
All this anti-Sino sentiment is so baffling, like 75% of the things you use every day and which would perfectly are not also made in China. Like people in China aren't capable of performing the basic task of pouring the metal for a truck, and if they failed all the time, that a company like Independent wouldn't just find another casting company. I can remember the same thing about Japanese products, and now we regard Japanese products with the same reverence we do for German - it's shorthand for expertly made.
It's irritating...someone has to bring up China-made all the time (in this case someone who rides/prefers Indy/Mindys...)
Apparently the sarcasm completely missed you. I don’t give a flying fuck where a truck is made. I’ve often pointed out the irony of protectionist and borderline xenophobic arguments on here and been thoroughly kooked for it.
It didn't; but sarcastic or not, it was still a shit post that did nothing more than try to stir the pot as it didn't add to the conversation...you were doing pretty good there for minute.
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I put some hard bushings in the bottom as someone mentioned. It mellowed them out for sure….I miss the giant manual pocket which my ventures had but like how tippy the nose is on nose manuals.
The pop is so light as the angle of a low truck meets shortened wheel base….
It swerves where normally a thunder will wheelbite. The harder bushings has made them a bit more stable and passive.
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I put some hard bushings in the bottom as someone mentioned. It mellowed them out for sure….I miss the giant manual pocket which my ventures had but like how tippy the nose is on nose manuals.
The pop is so light as the angle of a low truck meets shortened wheel base….
It swerves where normally a thunder will wheelbite. The harder bushings has made them a bit more stable and passive.
Which brand (are they same height)? I'm thinking of swapping to a harder bottom duro, there's already too much exposed kingpin to start cranking the down further, but everything is so tall compared to the stock bottoms.
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I agree….I crammed in some Indy barrels….not optimum….I considered some other top or some bullshit but I can’t be bothered….it pushed the height but for now it’ll do….
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I put some hard bushings in the bottom as someone mentioned. It mellowed them out for sure….I miss the giant manual pocket which my ventures had but like how tippy the nose is on nose manuals.
The pop is so light as the angle of a low truck meets shortened wheel base….
It swerves where normally a thunder will wheelbite. The harder bushings has made them a bit more stable and passive.
Which brand (are they same height)? I'm thinking of swapping to a harder bottom duro, there's already too much exposed kingpin to start cranking the down further, but everything is so tall compared to the stock bottoms.
I was just about to ask
Yeah these things are squirrelly! I finally know what you guys meant about that thing where it clicks or halts right before you wheel bite
I actually love that they went opposite thinking of traditional truck brands by redesigning the baseplate to make the truck lower than redesigning the hangar cause now I can just swap my other ace af1 hangar for my smaller board
Wouldn’t it have been better to find/swap a firmer top bushing to keep the geo intact? I’m just saying since we all love ace for the way they are angled and turn
Indy should have done this ace way of lowering the truck to have a better turning mid but I still love my Indy mids, reminds me of my early/mid 2000’s krux downlow 3.5 we all skated like tommy Sandoval
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/blank-skateboards-h-block-clear-riser-pads-set-of-two-2-2mm
I threw in some bones mediums bottoms (no bottom washer = same stock height ace low bushing using washer) using stock tops; will report back later...I don't have high hopes, the stock top is 91a compared to bones 92a but the swap from 86a ace to 92a bones bottom will surely negate some of the ACE magic.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
Ace make "shock pads" which are 1.5mm or 1/16". Should be close enough
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
Wait…you are dreaming of a truck that is 1mm shorter, than it is?
badatmeth.
Someone else mentioned it, but ace has a 1/16th pad, and bones also had/has 1/16th risers.
Someone on here made some really nice looking risers a bit back, from some plastic (I think). Puffin may remember who made em. Maybe.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
Wait…you are dreaming of a truck that is 1mm shorter, than it is?
badatmeth.
Someone else mentioned it, but ace has a 1/16th pad, and bones also had/has 1/16th risers.
Someone on here made some really nice looking risers a bit back, from some plastic (I think). Puffin may remember who made em. Maybe.
Yeah, just get classics at 52mm and call it a day....or get lows and 2mm risers and do you.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
Wait…you are dreaming of a truck that is 1mm shorter, than it is?
badatmeth.
Someone else mentioned it, but ace has a 1/16th pad, and bones also had/has 1/16th risers.
Someone on here made some really nice looking risers a bit back, from some plastic (I think). Puffin may remember who made em. Maybe.
AF1 are (at least) 53mm. They're huge compared to my forged thunder 148(51mm)
Edit: Also wanna say that real is onto something with the 3ply risers. Using riser pads without everything feeling like shit is amazing. They're just adding too much for my taste. 3.4 mm in my case
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/blank-skateboards-h-block-clear-riser-pads-set-of-two-2-2mm
I threw in some bones mediums bottoms (no bottom washer = same stock height ace low bushing using washer) using stock tops; will report back later...I don't have high hopes, the stock top is 91a compared to bones 92a but the swap from 86a ace to 92a bones bottom will surely negate some of the ACE magic.
I thought about the same thing but thought the conical wasn’t gonna chill things out. So I just crammed. I’m not a fan of Ace bushings….too mushy. It makes sense for the demographic though….
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Gave up on my 55 lows when the brand new axle nuts repeatedly fell off on front slappies. I know I could get other nuts, but I used it as a sign. Back to cast base/titanium 5.8s which is where I guess I'm destined to belong.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/blank-skateboards-h-block-clear-riser-pads-set-of-two-2-2mm
I threw in some bones mediums bottoms (no bottom washer = same stock height ace low bushing using washer) using stock tops; will report back later...I don't have high hopes, the stock top is 91a compared to bones 92a but the swap from 86a ace to 92a bones bottom will surely negate some of the ACE magic.
I thought about the same thing but thought the conical wasn’t gonna chill things out. So I just crammed. I’m not a fan of Ace bushings….too mushy. It makes sense for the demographic though….
I went with Bones hard bottom, medium top. It's like a better turning thunder now.
Gave up on my 55 lows when the brand new axle nuts repeatedly fell off on front slappies. I know I could get other nuts, but I used it as a sign. Back to cast base/titanium 5.8s which is where I guess I'm destined to belong.
I noticed the same thing about the axle nuts, very loose even through the nylon. Might have to swap in some old truck nuts.
Personally I just wanted wide venture lows, these are different but good enough until that happens.
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Time to adjust my nuts.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
I’m not positive but I believe if you put a standard af1 hanger on a low baseplate it will be 51mm? That was pet of aces initial advertising for the lows is that there would be more size combos
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
I’m not positive but I believe if you put a standard af1 hanger on a low baseplate it will be 51mm? That was pet of aces initial advertising for the lows is that there would be more size combos
Unfortunately not, they only changed the baseplate. I guess they meant that you can turn all the standard aces you already have into lows.
BTW I'm getting +2.75 on the low wheelbase. All my standard AF1 are between 2.90 and 2.95
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
I’m not positive but I believe if you put a standard af1 hanger on a low baseplate it will be 51mm? That was pet of aces initial advertising for the lows is that there would be more size combos
Unfortunately not, they only changed the baseplate. I guess they meant that you can turn all the standard aces you already have into lows.
Yup. "lowered baseplate for more size options across the range"
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I have never owned low trucks (unless Venture Featherlights from the 90s count?) but I will likely purchase some Ace Low baseplates when they are available by themselves... might be fun to set up with some 50mms on a Loveseat/ Couch deck.
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Bones bottoms = no more clicky click
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I’ll give those a whirl…..
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Additionally, the bones did not fuck with the ability to turn it’s just as tight/responsive, just not as mushy.
Should’ve come as no surprise as I rode bones hards in the 03s years back with great success.
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I tried both, but just ended up putting in the bones top/bottom.
I’ve been skating worn down 52’s and have a new set ready to go…it’ll be interesting to see how they fair. So far though they don’t bite until they are turned around backwards…it gives you a chance to stay on before you get bucked…
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
51mm Ace would be fuckin 🤌🤌🤌! Why the fuck they made these 49mm, I'll never know.
I still buy Indy stage 10's and put on Indy forged baseplates to get 51.5mm trucks. To me, it's as low as I've found worked to sit low but still have a good turn and not get crazy wheelbite.
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Are you guys really saying the Ace low is too low?
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
Ace and other brands make 1/16" (1.5mm) Shock Pads.
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Are you guys really saying the Ace low is too low?
Not at all, the lower the truck, the more range it has. For my current setup, 49mm would be too low, but with a longer wheelbase and steeper kicks, I'd ride them without risers. (Currently on 2.5mm risers)
Still can't believe this incredible kingpin clearance.
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Are you guys really saying the Ace low is too low?
Not at all, the lower the truck, the more range it has. For my current setup, 49mm would be too low, but with a longer wheelbase and steeper kicks, I'd ride them without risers.
Still can't believe this incredible kingpin clearance.
Agreed, the kingpin clearance is amazing for a low truck.
I think the real problem for a lot of truck companies was wheelbite on low trucks wider than 8". I think what ace accomplished here wasn't possible for Thunder and Venture without bad wheelbite or completely changing their geometry, which I imagine is why venture low only come in 7.75 + 8, and thunder are 49-50mm tall 6.9-8 (140-147) wide but 52-53mm high for 8.25-9 (148-161).
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The geo pushes the wheel to the inside, it twists considerably before you have contact. Thunder the wheel just hits….Venture high as least the geo is so shallow it rubs but doesnt snag like a thunder.
I’ll update with the 52’s….too much new shit right now….
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That's the beauty of Ace geometry, the turn keeps going and 'hooks' under the deck so wheel bite isn't as harsh. Glad to hear the lows work like that also.
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Well, I bought some 66s on my way home to swap the hangers onto the Low baseplates, went to mount the last wheel, and the axle is defective; too girthy for the bearings.
After looking at the way the hanger sits on the Low bottom bushing, I was all excited to tinker with the taller Ace bushings to see how these can be customized. Will report back once I get this warranty claim sorted.
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I'm dreaming of a 51mm ace, so I gotta get 2mm risers somehow. I wish I could manage to grind the real 3ply risers down to 2mm, but I'm not sure about that. Any recommendations? I know mini logo makes 2.5mm ones.
I'd love to try every height from 49 to 52mm actually. Standards always felt a bit too high for me.
I’m not positive but I believe if you put a standard af1 hanger on a low baseplate it will be 51mm? That was pet of aces initial advertising for the lows is that there would be more size combos
Unfortunately not, they only changed the baseplate. I guess they meant that you can turn all the standard aces you already have into lows.
BTW I'm getting +2.75 on the low wheelbase. All my standard AF1 are between 2.90 and 2.95
If this is true, I think I might buy some lows now and do a 1/8" Ace Riser with a 1/16" shock pad underneath like I am already doing with the standard AF1's, and just downsize my wheels. The shortened wheelbase should make them turn even better, slightly lighten the load, and since the kingpin still sits pretty low, no worries there!
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I swapped my top bushing with a bones hard top and my ace 44 lows are very nice and stable with still a crazy deep turn when you need it
I recently copped and extra set of 44 af1 regulars with the af1 hard bushings and man what a difference!
They need to make those af1 hard bushings in a low
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Looks like NFG has something….
To me Ace stock feel like a better version of OG Indy stock….
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I’m considering giving the AF1 55 low’s a try. I tried the regular AF1’s for a while, and even though I really liked the turn and general feel, I had the feeling that it was just more difficult to do my tricks on due to the heavy feel. How is that with the lows? Is the pop/flip feeling lighter due to the reduced weight and height? And is the steering still comparable even though the bushings are smaller?
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I’m considering giving the AF1 55 low’s a try. I tried the regular AF1’s for a while, and even though I really liked the turn and general feel, I had the feeling that it was just more difficult to do my tricks on due to the heavy feel. How is that with the lows? Is the pop/flip feeling lighter due to the reduced weight and height? And is the steering still comparable even though the bushings are smaller?
They are 20g lighter, and also shorten the wheelbase even more. And lower obviously, which leads to an even quicker pop. Steering is amazing. These are the best trucks I've ever been blessed to skate.
I felt like the new royals are going to be the only trucks in my future because they were better than everything I've tried, but ace made a comeback with these lows. Huge win for ace and the people in my opinion
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Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…
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Looks like NFG has something….
To me Ace stock feel like a better version of OG Indy stock….
No low barrels sadly.
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Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…
This might sound ridiculous but beware of the number 33. You'll find many shills, corporations and fake news articles using that number.
33 is the honorary degree in the Scottish rite of freemasonry (32 is the highest one can achieve by working the ranks) and the amount of bones in your spine and many other mammals.
Once enlightened to this bit of info you'll notice 33 is a warning. Presenting a recent example I am wrapping up a custody battle and was served with paperwork (a interrogatory). I read all the laws associated with this document which lead to the final law of ars family law 33. There is no consequence for choosing to ignore the filing.
Something to consider.
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Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…
This might sound ridiculous
Is it a dry joke or is it mental illness?
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He's being deadly serious and it is also why Bobby Puelo won't ride Ace Lows.
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So Ace Lows weigh as much as an Indy Hollow in the same size. It seems that a lot of trucks sit in that ~360g sweet spot.
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So Ace Lows weigh as much as an Indy Hollow in the same size. It seems that a lot of trucks sit in that ~360g sweet spot.
No they don’t. Indy hollows weigh 358 grams and ace lows weigh 377 grams. That’s 20 grams.
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Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…
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So Ace Lows weigh as much as an Indy Hollow in the same size. It seems that a lot of trucks sit in that ~360g sweet spot.
No they don’t. Indy hollows weigh 358 grams and ace lows weigh 377 grams. That’s 20 grams.
af1 55s are 8.5" (which is the truck in question)
149 TI = 340g
149 Forged hollow =358g
149 Indy standard hollow = 369g
149 Forged Hollow mid (50.5mm) is 379g
148 Standard Mids = 392g
149 Standards = 394g
So Standard vs Standard we're talking 3 grams between Indy/ACE.
Indy hollow forged Mids (50.5mm) vs ACE Low (49mm) also, 2g difference. (Indy shaving off 2g with a hollow axle)
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19 grams is almost the weight of 4 United States Quarter Dollar Coins
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I’m considering giving the AF1 55 low’s a try. I tried the regular AF1’s for a while, and even though I really liked the turn and general feel, I had the feeling that it was just more difficult to do my tricks on due to the heavy feel. How is that with the lows? Is the pop/flip feeling lighter due to the reduced weight and height? And is the steering still comparable even though the bushings are smaller?
They are 20g lighter, and also shorten the wheelbase even more. And lower obviously, which leads to an even quicker pop. Steering is amazing. These are the best trucks I've ever been blessed to skate.
I felt like the new royals are going to be the only trucks in my future because they were better than everything I've tried, but ace made a comeback with these lows. Huge win for ace and the people in my opinion
Thanks for sharing your experience :)
I'm currently skating an enjoi 8.5" with 14.25" WB with Indy Titanium 149's. The Ace AF1 Low's are a bit heavier, but do you guys think that the height is going to make the pop feel lighter than the Indy Titaniums?
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Well your nose/tail will hit way sooner: it’s not only lower, but also with the wheelbase pushed in. This may be interpreted as ‘lighter’.
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Well your nose/tail will hit way sooner: it’s not only lower, but also with the wheelbase pushed in. This may be interpreted as ‘lighter’.
I thought the wheelbase was extended making it longer, not pushed in closer.
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You are mistaken….
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I thought I wanted the stability of having a bones hard top especially for it being a low for easier wheelbite but mysteriously it’s now a little tight to where im just gonna throw the stock top back on
Do pivot cups break in too?
Like how the Indy and thunder bushings would start out all soft and mushy then broke in and stiffened up
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I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….
I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.
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I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….
I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.
That's going to depend how much you skate and maybe how tight you have your trucks. I think they harden with use. Either way, they definitely do firm up. Took about four two hour sessions for my Ace bushings to get there but this was on the Standard AF1s.
After the first session I nearly ordered some hards but glad I held off.
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I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….
I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.
That's going to depend how much you skate and maybe how tight you have your trucks. I think they harden with use. Either way, they definitely do firm up. Took about four two hour sessions for my Ace bushings to get there but this was on the Standard AF1s.
After the first session I nearly ordered some hards but glad I held off.
The lows definitely firm up the same way, but I'd say the change is not as drastic due to less bushing material being there. They're still pretty soft after a few weeks of skating and feel amazing
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I'd like to know how the guys who tried these think the pinch on crooked grinds and similar is. I think the Ace pinch isn't its strong point, although it's still decent, and maybe the lows being lower have a way better pinch than the normal 53mm? Also i've been wondering "where the pop comes from" since they're very low and also have a very short wheelbase; you'd like to pair these truck with a very steep board i guess? What you guys think?
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My crook sucks but I’d say they pinch better because you are so close to the ledge and I think they add to the fingers of flat which makes a bigger zone? Does that make sense?
I agree, I’d consider these trucks on something with a steep kick.
The pop to me feels similar to a thunder….but thunder being more stable like a venture, you can use the pockets better….the ace is still quick and light…
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What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
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What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
I'll vouch for them 100%. The only thing I'm gonna warn you and everyone else about is that ace sizes are stupid. The axle on the 44 is 8.25, but the hanger is just as wide as an 8.0 indy/thunder (139/140mm). BUT the 8.5 AF1 is also not the standard 149mm, but only 145/146mm. So if you want a 144, you might wanna go with the 8.5 truck for a 8.25 deck.
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I’d say it’s this truck vs a thunder in the battle of the low trucks….
Ace Lo: Pro: less wheelbite, wheelbase tighter, turn well
Thunder: lighter options, more stable.
Worth a try I think. The af-1 and classics are too clunky for me, this truck is way more skateable. I liked being so low and the wheelbite doesn’t eject you like a thunder. The weight didn’t bother me that much either.
That said I skated my old ventures yesterday and skating flat and doing manuals is just easier. It could be my lack of skill…..
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What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
I'll vouch for them 100%. The only thing I'm gonna warn you and everyone else about is that ace sizes are stupid. The axle on the 44 is 8.25, but the hanger is just as wide as an 8.0 indy/thunder (139/140mm). BUT the 8.5 AF1 is also not the standard 149mm, but only 145/146mm. So if you want a 144, you might wanna go with the 8.5 truck for a 8.25 deck.
Good insight, anyone else found also ride the 55 on a 8.25?
I'm used to sticking 2-3 washers on the inside of my axle anyway. First time I'd be riding a 8.5 truck.
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What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
I'll vouch for them 100%. The only thing I'm gonna warn you and everyone else about is that ace sizes are stupid. The axle on the 44 is 8.25, but the hanger is just as wide as an 8.0 indy/thunder (139/140mm). BUT the 8.5 AF1 is also not the standard 149mm, but only 145/146mm. So if you want a 144, you might wanna go with the 8.5 truck for a 8.25 deck.
Good insight, anyone else found also ride the 55 on a 8.25?
I'm used to sticking 2-3 washers on the inside of my axle anyway. First time I'd be riding a 8.5 truck.
I also ride AF1 55s on my 8.25. I'm using the spitfire og shape 52mm and the width from wheel edge to edge is 8.18, still inside the rails of the 8.25. Hope this helps.
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I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….
I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.
Sometime in the past few weeks, hard bushings for the Lows showed up on the Ace shop, so they’ll probably be hitting real shops soon.
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings (https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings)
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That’s cool. The bones stiffened things up but still have some movement with the conical bushing. I’m curious what the harder barrel feels like.
I went back to ventures. What I miss about the ace is the easier tippy nose for nose manuals, just being low is kinda nice, and the grind. I’m sure lots of people still like the classics but the AF1 worked well for me.
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Mine came in the mail today, really tempted to set the up but I got a couple of tricks I want to work on during the AM session. Worried going from Venture (forged plates) to Ace will be too drastic a change in WB. Also, trucks with no grooves are the worse.
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I’m only three sessions in on them but I love my 60s so far (coming most recently from indy 159 titaniums). The pop feel is much better than it was with the 55 classics imo. Somebody in some thread said that loose Indy’s feel like your balancing on the kingpin and I never really got that til I switched back and forth between these two setups. The ace lows are miles more stable, and I run all trucks just to point of wobbliness.
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@kneebone What size deck and wheels you runnning with the 60 Lows? How's the wheelbite?
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@kneebone What size deck and wheels you runnning with the 60 Lows? How's the wheelbite?
53mm Classics wheelbite exactly when the top washer hits the hanger. Anything smaller, you’ll probably bind before you get wheelbite. Anything bigger, you’ll definitely get some.
A hard top bushing is a really good fix, though. Doesn’t affect the turn much, but cushions the end of the turn enough that I don’t have to worry about the wheelbite.
Been riding these with a 66 hanger, btw, but the 60 felt pretty much the same.
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Anyone fully switched over to the lows from the regular af1s?
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Anyone fully switched over to the lows from the regular af1s?
Hell yeah, but I'm using 1/10" risers. I don't have any deck that's steep enough to skate them without risers. With the right risers, you can use these trucks on any deck. Still in love with them. They should sell the low baseplates, I'd get another pair for the future. Love the fact that all my AF1s can now be lows and highs.
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Damn this thread is really tempting me to get some 44 lows
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Mine came in the mail today, really tempted to set the up but I got a couple of tricks I want to work on during the AM session. Worried going from Venture (forged plates) to Ace will be too drastic a change in WB. Also, trucks with no grooves are the worse.
Skated my first session in and I'm really liking them, most noticeable difference was the lightened pop feel coming off Ventures with forged baseplates. 3 years ago I would have hated trucks that popped light since I always stomped down hard on my tail. Over the past 12 months I've tried to lighten up my pop which is needed for a truck like Ace. Lowered height also made the pop snappier and easier to get the timing. In short, it feels like the right truck for this stage in my life.
Surfy turn without the wheelbite, twitch wasn't as bad as I imagined but the threads were showing a little more than I liked riding them at factory tightness. Do the bushings harden up with time?
Slides great on the baseplate, the metal is soft like Thunder and really fast. Ben Degros mentioned that his crooked grinds were affected because of how far the wheels were set back and how much the hanger articulated during the pinch. Didn't experience that at all and was locking in cleaner than before. Maybe it has something to do with the lower height?
Some clicking on trucks during deep turns, I expect that from new trucks, just hope it doesn't persist.
I'll rock these trucks till the end of this deck's life - another 2 more weeks or 6 or so sessions.
Edit: Ace 44 AF1 Lo on a 8.38 x 32.2 x 14.25
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anyone else bushings getting totally chewed up?? do the flat (bones bushing washers) washers help the situation? other than that love this trucks and I went from thunder titanium lights
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anyone else bushings getting totally chewed up?? do the flat (bones bushing washers) washers help the situation? other than that love this trucks and I went from thunder titanium lights
My bushings are fine, but the hangers got some pretty deep cuts from the top washers
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anyone else bushings getting totally chewed up?? do the flat (bones bushing washers) washers help the situation? other than that love this trucks and I went from thunder titanium lights
My bushings are fine, but the hangers got some pretty deep cuts from the top washers
Would you be able to post photos? It's one thing that putting me off the lows. The hanger and washers catching. Does it stop your turn?
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Threads were still showing so I loosened up the axle nut a bit more, lots more creaking on the trucks especially during deep turns. Dealing with a lot more wobble and twitch, but I get what reviewers says that they feel badass when they roll away from tricks with these trucks on.
I've had to widen my stance and put from front foot further up the nose to compensate for the WB shifting inwards.
Pinch on them is insanely good, both from the lowered height and the bushing rebound.
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There’s aspects of the truck which are really fun. I think I could cram an 8 into my 44’s nicely so I’m considering another smaller set up from the 8.25/ventures set up I run. At least until I go through the trucks. I was thinking an FA board with steeper kicks or an Ishod twin with a smaller nose/long wheelbase….
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I’d say it’s this truck vs a thunder in the battle of the low trucks….
Ace Lo: Pro: less wheelbite, wheelbase tighter, turn well
Thunder: lighter options, more stable.
Worth a try I think. The af-1 and classics are too clunky for me, this truck is way more skateable. I liked being so low and the wheelbite doesn’t eject you like a thunder. The weight didn’t bother me that much either.
That said I skated my old ventures yesterday and skating flat and doing manuals is just easier. It could be my lack of skill…..
Throw in the Forged Mindy for that 50.5mm in between love.
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I’d say it’s this truck vs a thunder in the battle of the low trucks….
Ace Lo: Pro: less wheelbite, wheelbase tighter, turn well
Thunder: lighter options, more stable.
Worth a try I think. The af-1 and classics are too clunky for me, this truck is way more skateable. I liked being so low and the wheelbite doesn’t eject you like a thunder. The weight didn’t bother me that much either.
That said I skated my old ventures yesterday and skating flat and doing manuals is just easier. It could be my lack of skill…..
Throw in the Forged Mindy for that 50.5mm in between love.
I'm 4 sessions in and I'm sold on them, especially for any deck with a 14.38" and needs some tightening up. Foot placement needs a lot of adjustment (wider, more shoe over the center line of the deck), but the twitchiness of the trucks lends itself 180 tricks because the trucks naturally want to turn. I'm find I have to be heavier on my front foot during kickflips and hardflips to counter the light pop feel if not I'm whiffing all day long.
The pinch on the is fantastic, goes excellent with the softer metal and faster grind.
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I’d say it’s this truck vs a thunder in the battle of the low trucks….
Ace Lo: Pro: less wheelbite, wheelbase tighter, turn well
Thunder: lighter options, more stable.
Worth a try I think. The af-1 and classics are too clunky for me, this truck is way more skateable. I liked being so low and the wheelbite doesn’t eject you like a thunder. The weight didn’t bother me that much either.
That said I skated my old ventures yesterday and skating flat and doing manuals is just easier. It could be my lack of skill…..
Throw in the Forged Mindy for that 50.5mm in between love.
I'm 4 sessions in and I'm sold on them, especially for any deck with a 14.38" and needs some tightening up. Foot placement needs a lot of adjustment (wider, more shoe over the center line of the deck), but the twitchiness of the trucks lends itself 180 tricks because the trucks naturally want to turn. I'm find I have to be heavier on my front foot during kickflips and hardflips to counter the light pop feel if not I'm whiffing all day long.
The pinch on the is fantastic, goes excellent with the softer metal and faster grind.
Softer than what? AF1s are hard.
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I suspect it depends on what you are used to…..
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I suspect it depends on what you are used to…..
Like I asked, softer than what?
Having skated all of it, they are as hard as Ventures, there's nothing harder.
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I suspect it depends on what you are used to…..
Like I asked, softer than what?
Having skated all of it, they are as hard as Ventures, there's nothing harder.
Coming off Ventures, the AF1 did feel softer. Or maybe the hanger was still really smooth, leading to a fast feeling grind.
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That’s…….where I was going….
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Thanks to ace doing the opposite of the traditional low version having a different hangar same baseplate I was able to swap my 22 hangars on to my low and I got those ace LOW hard bushings and man
My 8” setup is so nice and fun, the right weight and everything
I don’t know about you guys but my experience feels when it comes to 8” and smaller decks they work best with a low truck with medium or tight trucks cause the deck is so thin it’s easier to get pressure on the sides and get the trucks leaning for a turn
My ace af1 low 22 with the LOW hards feel like an Indy that has thunder abilities
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Picked up a pair cause you guys piqued my interest, have been skating ventures for a bit now, looking forward to getting a low low truck to try out
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Anyone fully switched over to the lows from the regular af1s?
I went all in after skating Indy hollows for years. No regrets, almost all ghost pop gone.
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Has anybody been running these on riser pads?
I'm asking before commiting to a summer of truck madness. they should be super responsive I think
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Has anybody been running these on riser pads?
I'm asking before commiting to a summer of truck madness. they should be super responsive I think
Absolutely, I'm on 1/10" mini logo riser pads and it's lovely.
Btw I've found that standard bottom bushing and bones medium top works the best for me.
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Madness got me, local had the new lows so I bought em for the baseplates. Put my AF1 44 hangers that I've been using on 'em with 1/8" Ace risers underneath, bringing them to 52mm. Someone else had mentioned these new lows bring the wheelbase in a little bit, I haven't measured but it seems true. They feel like Ace classics now without risers, turning is great and since the riser is underneath you wouldn't think these were some shitty no turning low trucks, and the kingpin clearance is just the same as the standard hi's, if not maybe a little better. One thing I noticed is the stock pivot cups on these lows fit the pivot points of the hangers nice and snug and secure and there seems to be a little more width/aluminum on the sides of the pivot cavities. Going to try slappies today hopefully these cups don't rip, but I skated them yesterday and they feel nice and lighten up the load a little bit. Pop was nice, too. I kept the bottom bushings stock with the Array sleeved washers, but am using harder top bushings with a flat Bones washer to reduce the bite and increase rebound.
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Has anyone found the Hard Low bushings anywhere than ACE's site?
I don't feel like paying $4.34 shipping for $7.95 bushings :\
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I know 3 people that are on AF1 lows now and all 3 seemed to arrive at just running Bones Hards. I know that Jordan Trahan switched to Bones Mediums as well because of his stock bushings getting trashed and ran them with risers before going back to normal AF1.
In my brief experience with AF1 they definitely grinned way better than Ventures on granite ledges.
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I went back to the hi's. If anyone wants to try the lows I have 33 sized hangers brand new raw, and the low baseplates that are barely used.
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I went back to the hi's. If anyone wants to try the lows I have 33 sized hangers brand new raw, and the low baseplates that are barely used.
I’ll hem and haw about this for awhile.
I’ve supposedly settled the madness and just skate venture lo’s (and sometimes thunder 147s…, but really just the ventures. 🙄) and I’m all about size 8 everything.
What didn’t you like?
I must admit, I’m really not on the ace train these days. I got the ace 33s right when they became available near me, 2006? 2007? Somewhere in there…at times I’ve been all about them, I keep some around, but I’ve just slowly stopped skating boards with ace trucks. Turn is the best, I just don’t get the pop I want/am used too
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I put in some pretty new bones mediums, and like with the royals, the bones just ruined the native feel of the truck. They became a non-turning-until-they-tip-a-bit-feeling truck; they totally work, they just lose all the surfy vibes.
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I put in some pretty new bones mediums, and like with the royals, the bones just ruined the native feel of the truck. They became a non-turning-until-they-tip-a-bit-feeling truck; they totally work, they just lose all the surfy vibes.
I haven’t tried these trucks, but I feel like this is a very accurate description of bones bushings. Maybe they were better, once upon a time, but they just don’t feel as good as stock bushings, to me. Bones bushings are great if you don’t want to break in your trucks.
Anyways, carry on
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I put in some pretty new bones mediums, and like with the royals, the bones just ruined the native feel of the truck. They became a non-turning-until-they-tip-a-bit-feeling truck; they totally work, they just lose all the surfy vibes.
Can totally confirm this. My solution is still stock bottom and bones med top. Keeps the same turn, but there's way more rebound
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I thought I was the only one...yeah Bones really mellow out Ace's turn. I know this is the low thread but if anyone is still digging the hi's, I found an insanely good bushing combo. Thunder 90a white bottoms and then a Bones hard top. Holy moly is the turn insanely snappy and deep. Something about Thunder's aftermarket bushings, they might even outperform Ace's bushings.
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Oddly, bones still feel great in indys (and tensor ATGs), everytime (could be muscle memory)...FWIW they are broken in bones meds, just not a super new nor old beat-up set.
I sucked it up and ordered the ACE low hards (discount code helped just a tad).
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Yah these dudes skate 99% ledges and seem to be the type to just throw Bones in a truck by default. They seem to like the stability on center and turn despite that.
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Yea when I ordered my set I also ordered the hard bushings, luckily I did the stock ones are just too mushy for the way I skate, really liking the way these things skate thoigh
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
Thanks for this. Doing the lords work.
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days
I tend to match wheel height to truck height and since these are lows, granted they curb wheel bite better than most, but I'm not going to throw 56 kader radial fulls on them =)
Lows or not, I rarely run anything over 53mm these days unless I'm building it for a certain style of skating/need more speed for something. But my general rule is ~52 for street 54+ for parks (with bowls). When I'm skating 'everything' regularly I would stick with 53/54. Alos, skinny wheels for life.
Meanwhile, cobra out there on [tight as fuck] thunders rocking 56mm conical fulls...wtf
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgqH9PIJMM9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
Thanks for this. Doing the lords work.
The Hard bushings have a very similar effect in the regular AF1s also. Never thought hard bushings could work so well for me. After a few weeks they pretty much feel 90% like regular bushings but with a tad more resistance and wheelbite prevention. Perfect.
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days
I tend to match wheel height to truck height and since these are lows, granted they curb wheel bite better than most, but I'm not going to throw 56 kader radial fulls on them =)
Lows or not, I rarely run anything over 53mm these days unless I'm building it for a certain style of skating/need more speed for something. But my general rule is ~52 for street 54+ for parks (with bowls). When I'm skating 'everything' regularly I would stick with 53/54. Alos, skinny wheels for life.
Meanwhile, cobra out there on [tight as fuck] thunders rocking 56mm conical fulls...wtf
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgqH9PIJMM9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
A few pros/ex-pros have been doing the big wheels, tight (seemingly) thunders: Dane Burman, Axel, Jordan Powell…hmmm, I thought there was more. Aaaaanyways, it’s noteworthy, probably only to me, in that I get the wheelbite with thunders, real quick. 56s can give some more pop, so that’s nice.
I’ve been pushing around on wheels smaller than 52s, and it sucks, but I don’t skate that fast, wheel size be damned. Riding big wheels started to feel like wearing rain boots everyday.
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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.
The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.
Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.
Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening - there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.
Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.
Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.
Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days
I tend to match wheel height to truck height and since these are lows, granted they curb wheel bite better than most, but I'm not going to throw 56 kader radial fulls on them =)
Lows or not, I rarely run anything over 53mm these days unless I'm building it for a certain style of skating/need more speed for something. But my general rule is ~52 for street 54+ for parks (with bowls). When I'm skating 'everything' regularly I would stick with 53/54. Alos, skinny wheels for life.
Meanwhile, cobra out there on [tight as fuck] thunders rocking 56mm conical fulls...wtf
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgqH9PIJMM9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
A few pros/ex-pros have been doing the big wheels, tight (seemingly) thunders: Dane Burman, Axel, Jordan Powell…hmmm, I thought there was more. Aaaaanyways, it’s noteworthy, probably only to me, in that I get the wheelbite with thunders, real quick. 56s can give some more pop, so that’s nice.
I’ve been pushing around on wheels smaller than 52s, and it sucks, but I don’t skate that fast, wheel size be damned. Riding big wheels started to feel like wearing rain boots everyday.
I went out (again) with multiple setups and while I love the thunder pop and nimble-ness, I can't skate them without wheelbite unless I tighten them down to the point of being useless (I just fall off pushing they're so tight); setup stock bushing, team plates with 52mm wheels. They're just not for me.
The ACEs felt great today, in fact they were giving off serious thunder vibes, tho I wish I had some 55s, been feeling wider setups.
Those on the fence I highly suggest you get the hards.
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A few dudes I know that love Thunders also love Ace lows these days and find them less wheelbite-y. Which doesn't help my madness at all. I don't like my trucks super tight but stock Thunder feels pretty good in terms of turn and wheelbite. Only reason to pick Ace is AF1 as a lower Indy alternative.
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@Xen
@LebowskisRug
If I end up getting af1 lows because of both of you…I swear
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If I wanted a lower Indy I’d get forged hollow mid. Lighter than Ace lows.
I wouldn’t skate Ace as a replacement for thunders either, I’d skate the new royals.
The royals check all the boxes and I keep finding my way back to them…lighter than the Ace lows too, If that matters.
Best sub 52mm trucks are Ace lows and the forged mindy When it comes to loose trucks and minimal wheebite tho easy.
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Also, don’t trust me, as I was skating 149 Tensor ATG maglites with bones mediums and 54stfs as well today and had a blast on this setup ;)
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Also, don’t trust me, as I was skating 149 Tensor ATG maglites with bones mediums and 54stfs as well today and had a blast on this setup ;)
Ha!
I considered getting some 8” tensor mag light lows. I’m all low trucks rn.
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Also, don’t trust me, as I was skating 149 Tensor ATG maglites with bones mediums and 54stfs as well today and had a blast on this setup ;)
Ha!
I considered getting some 8” tensor mag light lows. I’m all low trucks rn.
The ATGs with 54mm wheels don't feel High to me, just normal...def weird but man, the slappy game was strong today...it's really hard to put down the maglites for slappydayz.
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@Xen what brand of hard bushings did you go with? I did 1 setup on AF1 Lows before going to Thunder, feel like the bushing route could get me to give Ace another shot.
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If I wanted a lower Indy I’d get forged hollow mid. Lighter than Ace lows.
I wouldn’t skate Ace as a replacement for thunders either, I’d skate the new royals.
The royals check all the boxes and I keep finding my way back to them…lighter than the Ace lows too, If that matters.
Best sub 52mm trucks are Ace lows and the forged mindy When it comes to loose trucks and minimal wheebite tho easy.
I never got used to the Royal pop feel. It's super light, but I think I prefer a bit heavier. Historically Thunder and Indy Standards work best for me and the lighter variants always end up feeling a bit too light.
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@Xen what brand of hard bushings did you go with? I did 1 setup on AF1 Lows before going to Thunder, feel like the bushing route could get me to give Ace another shot.
Ace hard lows
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So guys is it confirmed that the only difference in these ace af1 lows is the baseplate? So one can swap hangers between lows and normal af1s? I'm very tempted to get some 60 lows in order to actually have standard 60 for a bowl setup and try to skate the lows in 44-55 size.
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Also i've always been very curious to try and put the ace low bushings in other trucks (thunders mostly)
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Thunders have taller bottom bushings than Ace hi's, don't put low Ace bushings in Thunders, they will not jive. And yes, the baseplates are the only difference that makes them lows.
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So guys is it confirmed that the only difference in these ace af1 lows is the baseplate? So one can swap hangers between lows and normal af1s? I'm very tempted to get some 60 lows in order to actually have standard 60 for a bowl setup and try to skate the lows in 44-55 size.
Correct.
Thunders have taller bottom bushings than Ace hi's, don't put low Ace bushings in Thunders, they will not jive. And yes, the baseplates are the only difference that makes them lows.
Correct, but no one will put your nuts in a vice if you give it a go anyway ;) Personally I find a barrel bushing in Thunders to totally ruin how they feel.
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I'm debating indulging my madness with the AF1 Lows. I have two setups rn, an 8.5" and an 8.38" with 55/44 AF1s respectively. I was thinking of swapping one of the trucks out for either Thunders or AF1 lows, probably the 44s. I haven't skated Thunders in years and I'm worried I'll miss the Ace carve if I switch out. They do seem more stable though and I keep hearing about the pinch. I'm starting to get more comfortable on ledges and rails and I want to start flipping in and out of them and level up my grind game beside crooks and 50s. Should I get the AF1 lows or some Thunder (Lights?), and if I do get the AF1 lows will my 53 classics work or should I size down? thanks for any input
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Ace low or indy forged hollow mid (50.5 and lighter than ace) or Royal (52mm).
I've only run 52mm on my ace lows and I ride loose, they were fine - tho now I run the hard low bushings which puts them on par with thunder stability but with more carve.
The royals will give you the best of both.
But, since you seem to be all in on ACE, just get lows but pick up the hard bushings for something closer to thunder.
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Ace low or indy forged hollow mid (50.5 and lighter than ace) or Royal (52mm).
I've only run 52mm on my ace lows and I ride loose, they were fine - tho now I run the hard low bushings which puts them on par with thunder stability but with more carve.
The royals will give you the best of both.
But, since you seem to be all in on ACE, just get lows but pick up the hard bushings for something closer to thunder.
I might be open to the Royals, Ben's review made me curious about them. I'm over Indy tho. I tried the hard Ace AF1 bushings on my normal AF1s and ended up going back to stock. With that in mind I'm guessing you'd recommend the 8.25" Royals over Thunders/AF1 Lows?
edit: do you think I could get away with 54mm spit tablets on the Royals?
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Depends on how tight you ride.
The royals/stock are super loose/carvey out of the gate, very reminiscent of skating aces but with a bit more stability/less squirrelyness.
The forged mindy skate amazing but still feel like Indy (but I like them better than regular forged Indy).
Thing is, nothing skates like Ace, switching to anything can be a let down.
If you have to have some carve I’d go with the royals over thunder every time.
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Ace low or indy forged hollow mid (50.5 and lighter than ace) or Royal (52mm).
I've only run 52mm on my ace lows and I ride loose, they were fine - tho now I run the hard low bushings which puts them on par with thunder stability but with more carve.
The royals will give you the best of both.
But, since you seem to be all in on ACE, just get lows but pick up the hard bushings for something closer to thunder.
I might be open to the Royals, Ben's review made me curious about them. I'm over Indy tho. I tried the hard Ace AF1 bushings on my normal AF1s and ended up going back to stock. With that in mind I'm guessing you'd recommend the 8.25" Royals over Thunders/AF1 Lows?
edit: do you think I could get away with 54mm spit tablets on the Royals?
Not only do you get away with 54mm wheels on royals, you're also still getting a great pinch that's closer to thunder than ace. There will be some wheelbite of course but it's more of a soft wheelkiss compared to thunders.
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Depends on how tight you ride.
The royals/stock are super loose/carvey out of the gate, very reminiscent of skating aces but with a bit more stability/less squirrelyness.
The forged mindy skate amazing but still feel like Indy (but I like them better that regular forged Indy).
Thing is, nothing skates like Ace, switching to anything can be a let down.
If you have to have some carve I’d go with the royals over thunder every time.
I skate medium loose. I like carving but I'm open to sacrificing some for performance. I have my other setup with the AF1s if I wanna ride something turny. I'm still really interested in Thunders due to the pinch, weight, and height. I creeped the Royal thread here and people were comparing the pinch to the Aces. (edit: didnt see meth's post lol)
The problem is I want all of them. Lmao. Gun to my head I'd probably choose the AF1 lows with hards just since it's what I know but I'm really tempted to get Thunder lights for the tech.
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That’s the beauty of the royals they do a little of everything.
Thunder pinch is great if all you do is krooks I suppose. But I’ve had no pinch issues on the royals or any truck for that matter.
I’m not bagging on thunders, I love the pop feel and weight, just hate the wheel bite. 54mm, even on thunder team plates, is a death knell for me lol. No joke the only way I can ride stock thunders is with polars / a deck with wheel wells and ~51mm wheels.
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That’s the beauty of the royals they do a little of everything.
Thunder pinch is great if all you do is krooks I suppose.
That does sound enticing. I want to get consistent with krooks and also get feebles and smiths down. I've done all 3 of those tricks on Aces, I know it's not the gear holding me back but still I was curious to see how it would affect those tricks
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Depends on how tight you ride.
The royals/stock are super loose/carvey out of the gate, very reminiscent of skating aces but with a bit more stability/less squirrelyness.
The forged mindy skate amazing but still feel like Indy (but I like them better that regular forged Indy).
Thing is, nothing skates like Ace, switching to anything can be a let down.
If you have to have some carve I’d go with the royals over thunder every time.
Yeah I'd say that's true. What I meant in the post is that by using the big wheels, your pinch will be good.
Like 54mm on royal might lock you into crooks just like 51mm on thunders or 56mm on ace, which is still great in my opinion. And yes those numbers are 100% made up.
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Yeah I'd say that's true. What I meant in the post is that by using the big wheels, your pinch will be good.
Like 54mm on royal might lock you into crooks just like 51mm on thunders or 56mm on ace, which is still great in my opinion. And yes those numbers are 100% made up.
Understandable. There's also a part of me that wants the 44 classic sapphire blue Aces cause they just look so damn cool.
You joke but I kinda want to move up to 55/56's on my other setup for that sweet sweet lock in. Also cause I like rough ground. The 54 tablets are wonderful though, I want to experiment a bit but definitely my favorite wheel so far. I don't really love the classic shape so was considering sizing down to a 52 conical full with the thunders/ace lows
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Yeah I'd say that's true. What I meant in the post is that by using the big wheels, your pinch will be good.
Like 54mm on royal might lock you into crooks just like 51mm on thunders or 56mm on ace, which is still great in my opinion. And yes those numbers are 100% made up.
Understandable. There's also a part of me that wants the 44 classic sapphire blue Aces cause they just look so damn cool.
You joke but I kinda want to move up to 55/56's on my other setup for that sweet sweet lock in. Also cause I like rough ground. The 54 tablets are wonderful though, I want to experiment a bit but definitely my favorite wheel so far. I don't really love the classic shape so was considering sizing down to a 52 conical full with the thunders/ace lows
beware of the gear madness disease..
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I'd say the royal pinch is more on the thunder side then on the ace side, and i've skated both 3 trucks recently. Plus i feel that to me it's easier to do that little pop out from crooks on royals than on thunders, i think it is because of the bushings, they just let me deliciously bounce out of the crook, while on thunders I often still do it pretty sloppily.
But that could be just me, since at this point i probably have completely lost my mind to the madness. BEWARE OF THE MADNESS DISEASE.
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Oh and if you're thinking of getting thunders in the end, i would suggest getting the team baseplates, the thunders lights (forged plates) in my opinion are 80% wheelbite and 20% turn.
P.s. ace classics blue saphire are so damn sexy
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After getting sick of bones bushings blowing out, I've just come to the conclusion that regular ace top bushings work perfectly fine in the lows.
Low bottom, regular top is the way. Feels like how I'd imagine using a low ace hard top bushing.
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I'd rather just use hard lows and have the grind clearance. You do you.
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Doesn’t change the clearance. You’re just putting more tension on a taller, softer bushing than you would using the hard lows. Six or a half-dozen…
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Yeah there's the same clearance, nut is flush
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The only trucks I've had that I didn't get used to crooks on were Ace Classics a while back. I honestly don't notice much after I adjust my technique with each truck. That means that I don't find that Thunders have some god pinch necessarily. The reason I ride em has to do with the pop feel and turn. I personally didn't like the lighter pop feel of Royals, the bushings, or the grind really but I could make the last two work just fine. Literally the first grind I did with them was a crook on an 18" box at a skatepark and landed it just fine with zero adjustment to approach or timing. That was with the Powell 93A prototypes on, which aren't great on skatepark coping either.
Don't overthink it. None of these trucks are going to prevent you from learning a trick. You're going to have to think about positioning, pop timing, etc. regardless. When you change a truck instead of thinking its the truck's fault think about how you can change these variables first. For me with Thunders I have to keep my shoulders less open once locked in and I don't have to really worry about the pop out. With Indys I find I have to ollie onto the ledge at more of an angle and pop out different. Ventures are mostly like Thunders but I have to lean back more because the metal grinds different.
I would focus way more on which trucks you like riding and which give you the most consistency and best pop feel if you want to do tricks that leave the ground and aren't grinds.
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Rode them on some 53mm F4 and they were great, wasn't getting extra wheelbite because of the height, think it's due to the geometry that prevents the truck from articulating too much. Take my comment with a handful of salt, only rode them on 1 deck, but opening this thread has me itching to try them again.
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I agree that by the time you wheelbite you’re going backwards….
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Im pretty sure that i can get a new set of hollows and use the hanger on the low baseplate to get a low with both hollow axle and kingpin.
Is this true? thought id ask here before ordering stuff
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Im pretty sure that i can get a new set of hollows and use the hanger on the low baseplate to get a low with both hollow axle and kingpin.
Is this true? thought id ask here before ordering stuff
100% yes
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Im pretty sure that i can get a new set of hollows and use the hanger on the low baseplate to get a low with both hollow axle and kingpin.
Is this true? thought id ask here before ordering stuff
I dont think so? I cant imagine the lows and reg heights have the same hanger, that wouldnt make any sense. Unless the reg height had super thick baseplates and the lows were just normal lol. The hanger would have to be different.
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Hangers are exactly the same. They did it the smart way and only changed the baseplate and bushings. That's also why the kingpin clearance is incredible on the lows.
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Hangers are exactly the same. They did it the smart way and only changed the baseplate and bushings.
What? how is this possible? that would drastically change the geo if the baseplate is the same thickness. You would have to lean the hanger back a good bit.
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AF1's 100% have the same height hangers on hi's and lo's. The only difference is the baseplates, therefore yes, a hollow AF1 hanger of any size can be used on a hi or lo baseplate.
The lo's have better kingpin clearance than the hi's, and they shrink the wheelbase. So to kinda make my AF1's turn into classics, I'm running stacked Ace risers (1/16" Ace shock pads under the 1/8" Ace shims) which brings them to 54mm height. Paired with 52mm wheels, pretty much zero wheelbite and insane turning. I did this mainly because I liked how the classics turned better, and the AF1's offer better strength so I get the best of both worlds now.
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Hangers are exactly the same. They did it the smart way and only changed the baseplate and bushings.
What? how is this possible? that would drastically change the geo if the baseplate is the same thickness. You would have to lean the hanger back a good bit.
They sunk the pivot cup deeper into the baseplate and lowered the part the bottom washer sits on. Great design
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Hangers are exactly the same. They did it the smart way and only changed the baseplate and bushings.
What? how is this possible? that would drastically change the geo if the baseplate is the same thickness. You would have to lean the hanger back a good bit.
They sunk the pivot cup deeper into the baseplate and lowered the part the bottom washer sits on. Great design
Interesting!
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Anyone still skating these?
Also, are the af1 trucks able to be used without the inside speed ring/washer?
Please and thanks
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Nah, I thought they were a good solution for shortening the wheelbase back to Ace classic territory and just putting a riser underneath to bring them up to 52mm and better kingpin clearance. But something just kept feeling off and they didn’t turn as well. I got brave and tried them with just Ace 1/16” shock pads one day and 51mm wheels I had stashed and the wheelbite was gross. I also had a low baseplate with a loose kingpin after barely skating them that long. I thought their super secret formula for a cast truck was supposed to prevent that :-[
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Hangers are exactly the same. They did it the smart way and only changed the baseplate and bushings.
What? how is this possible? that would drastically change the geo if the baseplate is the same thickness. You would have to lean the hanger back a good bit.
It honestly doesn’t mount together that well, like, you can definitely tell you’re putting a hanger designed for one baseplate on another. They skate fine, though. Definitely my favorite low trucks on the market. I like the Lows with the hard bushings, buy just barely tightened. Gives you most of the turn with less wheelbite at the end.
Indy Stage 4 hangers fit on the Stage 11 plates better than AF1 hangers fit on the Low plates, yet it works somehow.
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Nah, I thought they were a good solution for shortening the wheelbase back to Ace classic territory and just putting a riser underneath to bring them up to 52mm and better kingpin clearance. But something just kept feeling off and they didn’t turn as well. I got brave and tried them with just Ace 1/16” shock pads one day and 51mm wheels I had stashed and the wheelbite was gross. I also had a low baseplate with a loose kingpin after barely skating them that long. I thought their super secret formula for a cast truck was supposed to prevent that :-[
I did the same thing, but in addition to the small wheels and Ace pads, I used the hard bushings...worked ok, but the lack of turn was meh and couldn't wait to break them in. Shelved the idea.
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I, by a significant amount, prefer lower trucks. Dunno why.
After ‘hating’ af1’s, I’m getting close to liking them. So instead of just using them, I want to try the next thing. Because I’m a dumbass.
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Nah, I thought they were a good solution for shortening the wheelbase back to Ace classic territory and just putting a riser underneath to bring them up to 52mm and better kingpin clearance. But something just kept feeling off and they didn’t turn as well. I got brave and tried them with just Ace 1/16” shock pads one day and 51mm wheels I had stashed and the wheelbite was gross. I also had a low baseplate with a loose kingpin after barely skating them that long. I thought their super secret formula for a cast truck was supposed to prevent that :-[
I did the same thing, but in addition to the small wheels and Ace pads, I used the hard bushings...worked ok, but the lack of turn was meh and couldn't wait to break them in. Shelved the idea.
Yeah I think due to more bushing=more turn, when both bottom and top are that short you just can’t get much out of them. The geometry still offers the best turn a low truck could possibly have though.
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
I’m on 53 conical fulls and have had 0 issue on the lows but I am running the hard bushings
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
Haha I still lurk but don’t find myself having anything useful to post so I normally don’t.
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
Nope that’s me. I actually don’t love my regular AF1’s but love the lows.
Came straight from a long run of ventures but never the low because I couldn’t get them in the width I wanted. I did put them on a longer wheelbase board to ease myself into the difference in Wb they create. Ran the 8.3 with 14.3 wheelbase generator boards with the 44’s now I’m on the dlx truefit 8.3 with the 14 inch wheelbase which is much more comfortable for me. I feel like the low unlocked switch and nollie stuff for me and had a pretty easy switch from venture which I was shocked about .
I run two speed rings on the inside and haven’t had wheel bite issue with 53 but I’m probably running mine a tad bit more medium than most ace folk. The 44 with 8.3 works good because I feel like i have more leverage for scoopy tricks.
It’s the one time gear madness has been beneficial for my skating lol
Sorry for the long winded response
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AF1's 100% have the same height hangers on hi's and lo's. The only difference is the baseplates, therefore yes, a hollow AF1 hanger of any size can be used on a hi or lo baseplate.
The lo's have better kingpin clearance than the hi's, and they shrink the wheelbase. So to kinda make my AF1's turn into classics, I'm running stacked Ace risers (1/16" Ace shock pads under the 1/8" Ace shims) which brings them to 54mm height. Paired with 52mm wheels, pretty much zero wheelbite and insane turning. I did this mainly because I liked how the classics turned better, and the AF1's offer better strength so I get the best of both worlds now.
Some good pics of the differences between regular AGF1s and Lows here
https://www.instagram.com/p/CpqM8YsJnKc/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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I still love these trucks on riser pads. Feels just like ace classics (without the bending)
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
Nope that’s me. I actually don’t love my regular AF1’s but love the lows.
Came straight from a long run of ventures but never the low because I couldn’t get them in the width I wanted. I did put them on a longer wheelbase board to ease myself into the difference in Wb they create. Ran the 8.3 with 14.3 wheelbase generator boards with the 44’s now I’m on the dlx truefit 8.3 with the 14 inch wheelbase which is much more comfortable for me. I feel like the low unlocked switch and nollie stuff for me and had a pretty easy switch from venture which I was shocked about .
I run two speed rings on the inside and haven’t had wheel bite issue with 53 but I’m probably running mine a tad bit more medium than most ace folk. The 44 with 8.3 works good because I feel like i have more leverage for scoopy tricks.
It’s the one time gear madness has been beneficial for my skating lol
Sorry for the long winded response
Very helpful.
The deck to truck recommendation is sick. The only bbs board I want to try is one of those true fits.
The only scenarios that I good pop with ace’s were on 14” wb. Doesn’t jibe with the theories some people have espoused about effective wb…but it worked. I have no idea why, but had two different setups, years apart, that both were popping, and thinking back, both had the short wb’s, and one even had 56 mm wheels which I usually think is stinking.
Blah blah blah
The lows look really interesting: a low truck that can clear a 53 is a game changer for me
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I still love these trucks on riser pads. Feels just like ace classics (without the bending)
This is exactly what I want to try. A 52mm truck with a short wheelbase is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm torn between trying these or the Indy Mid Hollow cast. The kingpin on those really irks me though.
I'm on smaller boards these days and regular Indys feel disproportionately tall with 8.125 or 8.0. Even the forged hollows feel a little tall with 54s.
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I tried both and the mindys I think are a better middle ground. The lower height and pushing the wheelbase in made the pop feel a bit too light. They are super low though so if that’s what you’re looking for, they do the trick. Minimal wheelbite, grind well…..I dropped a krux kp into the mindys and they seem to be working fine.
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
Nope that’s me. I actually don’t love my regular AF1’s but love the lows.
Came straight from a long run of ventures but never the low because I couldn’t get them in the width I wanted. I did put them on a longer wheelbase board to ease myself into the difference in Wb they create. Ran the 8.3 with 14.3 wheelbase generator boards with the 44’s now I’m on the dlx truefit 8.3 with the 14 inch wheelbase which is much more comfortable for me. I feel like the low unlocked switch and nollie stuff for me and had a pretty easy switch from venture which I was shocked about .
I run two speed rings on the inside and haven’t had wheel bite issue with 53 but I’m probably running mine a tad bit more medium than most ace folk. The 44 with 8.3 works good because I feel like i have more leverage for scoopy tricks.
It’s the one time gear madness has been beneficial for my skating lol
Sorry for the long winded response
Very helpful.
The deck to truck recommendation is sick. The only bbs board I want to try is one of those true fits.
The only scenarios that I good pop with ace’s were on 14” wb. Doesn’t jibe with the theories some people have espoused about effective wb…but it worked. I have no idea why, but had two different setups, years apart, that both were popping, and thinking back, both had the short wb’s, and one even had 56 mm wheels which I usually think is stinking.
Blah blah blah
The lows look really interesting: a low truck that can clear a 53 is a game changer for me
I liked my true fit so much after the first session I went to the shop and got another one. I love the combo. Could probably cop the aces on the mesa distro site that has a 10 percent sign up code
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anyone running the 60 lows?
only other truck that has me considering a purchase
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anyone running the 60 lows?
only other truck that has me considering a purchase
I'm on the 60 lows, and I actually swapped out the hangers with a set from the AF1 Hollows, so now i've got a fully hollow low 60. I love them, I like the light pop feel, but the wheelbite is bad (I ride stock bushings extra loose with flat top washer, 50mm smokies)
I then put the used 'solid' hanger on the regular AF1 baseplate and put that on my cruiser and I kind of hate it. Ghost pop all day
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is there any other company that makes a true low in an 8.75?
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is there any other company that makes a true low in an 8.75?
indy mid forged are 50.5mm
mini logo has the lowest 8.75 axle iirc
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is there any other company that makes a true low in an 8.75?
mini logo has the lowest 8.75 axle iirc
50.5 is a good height. I, and maybe just me, liked the previous royals that were that height. Great pop.
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
Nope that’s me. I actually don’t love my regular AF1’s but love the lows.
Came straight from a long run of ventures but never the low because I couldn’t get them in the width I wanted. I did put them on a longer wheelbase board to ease myself into the difference in Wb they create. Ran the 8.3 with 14.3 wheelbase generator boards with the 44’s now I’m on the dlx truefit 8.3 with the 14 inch wheelbase which is much more comfortable for me. I feel like the low unlocked switch and nollie stuff for me and had a pretty easy switch from venture which I was shocked about .
I run two speed rings on the inside and haven’t had wheel bite issue with 53 but I’m probably running mine a tad bit more medium than most ace folk. The 44 with 8.3 works good because I feel like i have more leverage for scoopy tricks.
It’s the one time gear madness has been beneficial for my skating lol
Sorry for the long winded response
Very helpful.
The deck to truck recommendation is sick. The only bbs board I want to try is one of those true fits.
The only scenarios that I good pop with ace’s were on 14” wb. Doesn’t jibe with the theories some people have espoused about effective wb…but it worked. I have no idea why, but had two different setups, years apart, that both were popping, and thinking back, both had the short wb’s, and one even had 56 mm wheels which I usually think is stinking.
Blah blah blah
The lows look really interesting: a low truck that can clear a 53 is a game changer for me
Thanks for the site tip
How flat is the true fit? Bbs is…I whine a lot. Like a lot. But their boards have too much concave for me. Because I whine. But I’m gonna get one of these, because of there short dimensions.
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
Nope that’s me. I actually don’t love my regular AF1’s but love the lows.
Came straight from a long run of ventures but never the low because I couldn’t get them in the width I wanted. I did put them on a longer wheelbase board to ease myself into the difference in Wb they create. Ran the 8.3 with 14.3 wheelbase generator boards with the 44’s now I’m on the dlx truefit 8.3 with the 14 inch wheelbase which is much more comfortable for me. I feel like the low unlocked switch and nollie stuff for me and had a pretty easy switch from venture which I was shocked about .
I run two speed rings on the inside and haven’t had wheel bite issue with 53 but I’m probably running mine a tad bit more medium than most ace folk. The 44 with 8.3 works good because I feel like i have more leverage for scoopy tricks.
It’s the one time gear madness has been beneficial for my skating lol
Sorry for the long winded response
Very helpful.
The deck to truck recommendation is sick. The only bbs board I want to try is one of those true fits.
The only scenarios that I good pop with ace’s were on 14” wb. Doesn’t jibe with the theories some people have espoused about effective wb…but it worked. I have no idea why, but had two different setups, years apart, that both were popping, and thinking back, both had the short wb’s, and one even had 56 mm wheels which I usually think is stinking.
Blah blah blah
The lows look really interesting: a low truck that can clear a 53 is a game changer for me
Thanks for the site tip
How flat is the true fit? Bbs is…I whine a lot. Like a lot. But their boards have too much concave for me. Because I whine. But I’m gonna get one of these, because of there short dimensions.
I normally like a 4 In the press but the one I have is a 2 with the one I have on deck a 4. It feels pretty good. Not quite as flat as the roger I had before this but it’s very comfortable. I’ll give it a look when later today and see how they compare
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but anyone try skating any 53mm (or bigger) wheels on the lows? If so, how is the wheelbite?
Thanks for the response.
Haven’t seen you comment for awhile
If it matters though I’m very happy with the ace lows
Shit does not stop me from firing off a bunch of half-cooked drivel.
That does matter, because if I have it right, you sometimes fuck with ventures, and maybe even liked business & co. And I like those things.
Apologies if I’ve confused you with someone else.
What size you go with?
I am currently messing about with af1 44s, regular height. Love the turn, grind is good, I enjoy being able to ride a wheel over 50. I’m using no speedrinfs on the inside, seems to work, and the truck is a great size for 8-8.125+ imo
Strangely, I like the pop on low trucks more, and the ace pop isn’t my fave.
Nope that’s me. I actually don’t love my regular AF1’s but love the lows.
Came straight from a long run of ventures but never the low because I couldn’t get them in the width I wanted. I did put them on a longer wheelbase board to ease myself into the difference in Wb they create. Ran the 8.3 with 14.3 wheelbase generator boards with the 44’s now I’m on the dlx truefit 8.3 with the 14 inch wheelbase which is much more comfortable for me. I feel like the low unlocked switch and nollie stuff for me and had a pretty easy switch from venture which I was shocked about .
I run two speed rings on the inside and haven’t had wheel bite issue with 53 but I’m probably running mine a tad bit more medium than most ace folk. The 44 with 8.3 works good because I feel like i have more leverage for scoopy tricks.
It’s the one time gear madness has been beneficial for my skating lol
Sorry for the long winded response
Very helpful.
The deck to truck recommendation is sick. The only bbs board I want to try is one of those true fits.
The only scenarios that I good pop with ace’s were on 14” wb. Doesn’t jibe with the theories some people have espoused about effective wb…but it worked. I have no idea why, but had two different setups, years apart, that both were popping, and thinking back, both had the short wb’s, and one even had 56 mm wheels which I usually think is stinking.
Blah blah blah
The lows look really interesting: a low truck that can clear a 53 is a game changer for me
Thanks for the site tip
How flat is the true fit? Bbs is…I whine a lot. Like a lot. But their boards have too much concave for me. Because I whine. But I’m gonna get one of these, because of there short dimensions.
Thanks
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After 2 almost years one the regular AF1's I switched to the lows and I think I finally found the perfect truck for me. They make everything so easy and ghost pop is not an issue anymore. I hope Ace keeps them in their lineup since they don't seem to be too popular.
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Is anyone running bushings other than ace's?
I really like these trucks. I was on the royals and enjoyed them. But going to an 8.0 board, I feel like I needed to go lower, and the royals(52mm hieght) only lacked in grind feel and distance maybe but they dont scale down in height with size... now on the ace af1 33 lows. Psyched on how light they "feel" as I've never had ace, thinking they are heavy trucks. But these trucks are what I've needed.I wanted low, but not super low and pushed out like venture/thunder. They grind and feel so good.
I'm not a heavy guy and I got the hard low bushings from ace but they still feel softer to me. I really don't want to crank them down as I normally try not to on trucks.
I'm also curious if those prototype bones looking bushings will actually be released by ace. My bushings are just starting to be mashed by the washer.
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Im at 199lbs and I have settled on Riptide Krank 93a after sanding down the bottom barrel bushing to 10mm.
sand down the side with the sharp edge (open end of mould side) and have that face your hanger.
I was wheel biting with Ace Hards, put wheel wells on the board I was on, and still got wheelbite!
52mm f4 classics or conicals, 52mm dragons for shite ground.
Then I went through bushing madness:
Indy Black aftermarket 94a (way softer than Riptide Krank 93a) but they were much cheaper so I gave it a punt.
I was thinking to try the 96a yellows, but im not into yellow bushings
Riptide APS 95a (felt stiff and didn't feel very responsive) they could have worked just didn't turn deep enough
Riptide Krank 96a (worked, but decreased the turning radius of the truck, maybe for big peeps or those that want to see if 56mm and up will work)
Riptide Krank 93a bottom 96a top, I liked this combo, might go back to it.
Bones Hard, kinda worked, but for me it just turned into a harder to turn truck, and I can go to another truck brand for that.
Riptide bushings seems to be harder than other brands, or maybe they are just more accurate in their duro rating?
I also put in riptide pivot cups halfway through the bushing changes, all I can say is they are GREEN......
Im on a FA/Hockey original shape 8.18 with DIY wheel wells, I think I can easily go to 54mm and still not wheelbite.
Now the trucks will still turn and feel like the stock bushings, and ACE hard bushings, but I just don't wheelbite.
Hope this helps.
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you win...how much is that in bushings? like $100?
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you win...how much is that in bushings? like $100?
mixed bag….of bushings….
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you win...how much is that in bushings? like $100?
mixed bag….of bushings….
Well played…
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you win...how much is that in bushings? like $100?
mixed bag….of bushings….
Well played…
The APS formula is great, but I use the 90A mostly, and I use 80A or 75A in some of my cruisers. Riptide makes a short barrel so you don’t have to cut the normal ones down.
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Good to know, I just assumed like a stooge that they didn’t make barrels that short!
I was onto aps, but now prefer krank, at least for the aces