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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: ok boomer on March 05, 2022, 02:43:37 PM
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So even as a member of the 7.75 GANG .. I'm feeling like there's a lot of bloards I want to try in this size realm (which I may hate but whatevs)... but what are you guys riding with these sizes? 144s or 149s? I dunno Venture or Thunder or Ace sizes so if you explain please translate what Indys these would be. Thank you in advance
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So even as a member of the 7.75 GANG .. I'm feeling like there's a lot of bloards I want to try in this size realm (which I may hate but whatevs)... but what are you guys riding with these sizes? 144s or 149s? I dunno Venture or Thunder or Ace sizes so if you explain please translate what Indys these would be. Thank you in advance
I beg of you, please ignore:
So. I also regularly skate 7.75s, usually with 5.0s (129 in Indy), the hangers are .12 less than the deck. If you wanted to keep that ratio, an 8.38 on 8.25 trucks (144 indy) would be the ticket. As an added bonus, trucks are usually experienced by most folks as fitting a board, +/- .25”, meaning 8.25” trucks ‘fit’ boards 8-8.5”. Coming from smaller setups, the smaller truck size might be the move.
On the other hand, 8.38 boards are basically 8.5s. More than a few 8.38s actually measure 8.5.
My personal experience is I for whatever reason somewhat ‘hate on’ 8.25” trucks, not a rational feeling…it just feels so precious. And yes, I did start a thread about a super specific wb measurement so yeah. I am an idiot. I’ve had the 144s, I have some 148s, never stuck with either. (I did have a really lovely setup some 5 ish years ago on an 8.28 doomsayer with 144s and probably should have stuck with it, but whatever).
I just set up a huge for me, 8.5 (G053) with thunder 149s, 54 classics. The board has a 14.5” wb. Ludicrous.
Best feeling setup I’ve had in over a year.
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149, which sit under 8.5" anyway. That's axel end to end, but you're actually using much less. 149 will have the wheels sit more flush. 149 on 8.25 too. Heck, Taylor Nawrocki rocks 149 on 8in.
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144s because sometimes I size down to 8.25 and I like the way they feel better.
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So even as a member of the 7.75 GANG .. I'm feeling like there's a lot of bloards I want to try in this size realm (which I may hate but whatevs)... but what are you guys riding with these sizes? 144s or 149s? I dunno Venture or Thunder or Ace sizes so if you explain please translate what Indys these would be. Thank you in advance
I beg of you, please ignore:
So. I also regularly skate 7.75s, usually with 5.0s (129 in Indy), the hangers are .12 less than the deck. If you wanted to keep that ratio, an 8.38 on 8.25 trucks (144 indy) would be the ticket. As an added bonus, trucks are usually experienced by most folks as fitting a board, +/- .25”, meaning 8.25” trucks ‘fit’ boards 8-8.5”. Coming from smaller setups, the smaller truck size might be the move.
On the other hand, 8.38 boards are basically 8.5s. More than a few 8.38s actually measure 8.5.
My personal experience is I for whatever reason somewhat ‘hate on’ 8.25” trucks, not a rational feeling…it just feels so precious. And yes, I did start a thread about a super specific wb measurement so yeah. I am an idiot. I’ve had the 144s, I have some 148s, never stuck with either. (I did have a really lovely setup some 5 ish years ago on an 8.28 doomsayer with 144s and probably should have stuck with it, but whatever).
I just set up a huge for me, 8.5 (G053) with thunder 149s, 54 classics. The board has a 14.5” wb. Ludicrous.
Best feeling setup I’ve had in over a year.
Sounds good. Definitely wider trucks would make me sick. Also usually using the 129s (139s on my 8.38 egg). Even pondering this kind of weirds me out. Think I've been not hyped on the lack of 7 75 options too. Thought a change might be good or bad for me
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149s definitely. If you're looking to flip the board a bit more nimbly, then Ace 44s actually, but 149s feel so perfect and stable on that width
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I run 144 on 8.38 and it's perfect. I hate it when the axle is flush with the edge. Plus it flips easier.
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I spent well over a decade bouncing between 8.5,8.63, and 8.75. Last year I sized down to 8.38 with Ace 44’s. I keep getting older and flip tricks keep getting harder.
Anyway. I feel like 44’s line up perfect.
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139s PERIOD.
Anything bigger is excessive.
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I'm on a DLX 8.38" so it's more like an 8.5" and the 149s are still poking out the edge a bit. If I was doing more flips and fewer grinds and manuals, I'd probably use my 144s, but with how I am skating lately the 149s have been perfect.
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Have you considered letting your wheel shape determine whether you go + or – on the trucks?
I go for the wider trucks if my wheels have a slimmer shape (like a Classic) because the narrow contact patch brings the effective width of the truck in, and I go for the narrower trucks if I’m using square/wide wheels because they do the opposite.
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144/148 feel great on smaller 8.375s
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I am team 149 on 8.375.
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139/147 bro. Its the secret.
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Depends.. do you want Hot Rod action or do you want magic carpet? Flipping? Not flipping? Pool/transition? Street? Park? All terrain? Tech?
149 if it's Indy or another truck that's an equivalent size to Indy from another brand.
144 seems better for 8.0-8.25, while 149 seems better for 8.25-8.6.
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I want flippage. I mostly skate ledges, banks and hills at this point but I love flips lol
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Fuck it 129s.
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I want flippage. I mostly skate ledges, banks and hills at this point but I love flips lol
Go 144 then
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147. This is the way.
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144 and go with more washers on the inside to flush out the wheels a smidge.
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I have ridden 149s starting on 8.25 just in case I wanted to move up in size. Currently on 8.38 and I have enjoyed both setups. Totally vouch for 149.
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Similar to what I posted in the 8.5 truck thread, I back 8.25 trucks (144/148/5.6) on anything from 8-8.5. They're lighter, super versatile, and only a tad smaller than 8.5 trucks. You can always add extra washers or use wider wheels if needed too.
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144 and go with more washers on the inside to flush out the wheels a smidge.
This! 8.25 trucks (144s/148/5.6, etc) + 3 speed rings on the inside, 1 on the outside and you should be golden. I ride this on my 8.25 and it feels perfect.
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Just wondering, but how is that much different from 149? It ends up at 8.38 which is splitting hairs difference.
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I think the idea is more flexibility, slightly less weight. And with the weight further out, the wider the axle, the more that weight effectively increases. For me it’s more of a leverage thing: easier to flip wider board, with narrower trucks.
All of that being said I, currently**, couldn’t be more stoked on my 8.5, with Thunder 149s
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Red pill : 144 or whatever 8.25" trucks + some washers if you want.
Blue pill : Film 5.5 (4 holes baseplate) = 8.375" axle.
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I’d go 149. I had 144s on an 8.25 and it actually felt great, unfortunately I left my board on the sidewalk loading a table into my car and drove off without it and that was that. Got an 8.25 polar with 149s and it’s the best. The idea of wider trucks / thinner board always irked me but once I actually set it up I couldn’t even really tell that the trucks were wider, they look practically the same. But the board just feels so much more stable and everything feels better. I’m pretty sure lots of people skate 8.25 / 149 and I’d highly recommend it. Another huge plus is if you want to get an 8.5 deck, you have the ideal trucks to match.
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How wide were stage 7 and Stage 8... the 146's? I recall them being 8.25 technically?
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I want flippage. I mostly skate ledges, banks and hills at this point but I love flips lol
Go 144 then
This. The only time i miss my 149s is on transition. I prefer the 144s on 8.3 in every other situation.
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148s(8.25") are perfect. Honestly I'd do 147(8") before 149 for 8.38.
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For me it's 149 with 8.375" or 144 with 8.25. I just love how you can have the right size truck for every board these days. Years ago I remember doing 8.25s with either 149s or 8" trucks with extra washers and neither of them felt perfect.
How wide were stage 7 and Stage 8... the 146's? I recall them being 8.25 technically?
I first had 149s in the stage 9 era and from what I recall they didn't get an update before stage 10, so they were still the stage 8 146 but with a new model number. I could swear the hanger was 150mm, so even a millimeter wider than the current 149.
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Ace 44 classics forever. 8.25 to 8.75 even, fuck it. They're not a 144...not a 149. They're just special. You're special, too and you deserve some.
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I hope the jump from 7.81 to 8.375 does not affect flip tricks TOO bad
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I hope the jump from 7.81 to 8.375 does not affect flip tricks TOO bad
My experience is that some good, some bad. And it was weird the shit that worked better: switch flips I thought were going to be a certain L, I’ve got terrible technique on all my stuff, despite only skating flatground, but switch flips worked better. Kickflips way better on bigger boards. Basically any non rotational flip trick (I need a better way to explain this) works about as well, if not better* with the asterisk noting that shit that I didn’t have, I still don’t have. I got no freebies. That used to be the best part of setting up different gear, finding out what new stuff worked, and what old stuff didn’t work. Now I’m just doing a my war, in a parking lot, going reeeeal slow, trying to do a straight 4, and a 360 flip. Burnt.
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My tre flips are basically dead from my ankle injury of 3 years ago. kickflip, frontside flips and switch/nollie flips are what I am worried about for sure! Still debating 144 or 149
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My tre flips are basically dead from my ankle injury of 3 years ago. kickflip, frontside flips and switch/nollie flips are what I am worried about for sure! Still debating 144 or 149
Sounding like 144 the move:
More setup flexibility in your preferred size range
The same/similar deck to truck ratio you are currently skating
Easier to flip
I noticed this with the classic ace 55s, venture 5.8s, and these thunder 149s: the stability of the wider truck helps with Ollies. It’s almost like having tighter trucks. Anyways.
I had indy 144s, cast plate hollow kingpin and axle (I back lighter materials on larger setups, doesn’t matter when I’m on the 775), and tbh they skated really decent.
The body parts I would give up to do a frontside flip. Fuck. Fuuuuuuck.
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Ace Classic 44
Don’t get AF1
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Recently set up an 8.25 (top white board) with 149’s and can’t do it. Set the 149’s on a 8.5 (bottom yellow) and boom! Sweet spot.
I’m getting some 139’s for the 8.25. Boss style.
(https://i.ibb.co/ySqVpBR/314-C35-A6-3639-4-BF0-8556-CCB66-AEAADF8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ySqVpBR)
(https://i.ibb.co/1YC7b6k/119-AF8-E5-DF57-40-F0-9-E45-09362-A222573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1YC7b6k)
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If your goal is to have the deck and axles flush, then Ace 44 would be one of the few that come really close. If you're set on riding Indy's, I guess you could just put a couple extra washers in your 144s. 149 will work great, but will hotrod very slightly if you use wide wheels.
I often get 8.38 with my Theeve 6.5 (8.5 axle), as Theeve are always a bit narrower than advertised.
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Recently set up an 8.25 (top white board) with 149’s and can’t do it. Set the 149’s on a 8.5 (bottom yellow) and boom! Sweet spot.
I’m getting some 139’s for the 8.25. Boss style.
144s for the 8.25.
I have a set on a 8.125 popsicle and it's great.
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I've done both and I think I prefer 8.5 trucks, though 8.25 has benefits too, was with ventures though.
8.5 trucks pros:
More room to grind
Feels more stable, and can run them looser than smaller trucks and have it still feel stable
Less wheelbite
Some tricks that I tend to overflip, flipped slower and better
A little easier to roll away from bad landings
Much better for grinding round rails
8.25 truck pros:
Lighter and more nimble
Turn sharper
Better leverage for most flip tricks, felt a little easier to learn new flatground tricks
Flip ins felt a tad easier
Less jamming when it came to nose/tailslides, felt a little less prone to sticking on a fs noseslide from my nose jamming, may be purely mental
A tiny bit easier to break into powerslides (due to where the wheel is placed in relation to where your foot pushes the board when breaking into a slide)
The benefits of the wider trucks are more noticeable to me, though for someone who has different preferences and priorities I could for sure see the smaller trucks being more appealing. If I skated an 8.6 I think I'd go for 8.5 trucks over 8.75 anyday.
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do you like:
-stability? 149
-flipping fast? 144
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How wide were stage 7 and Stage 8... the 146's? I recall them being 8.25 technically?
(https://i.imgur.com/jpyKZv2m.jpg)
yes, the stage VII 146s have a 144 hanger/8.25 axle
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I personally ride 149 and I like it better. Tried 144 and wasn't feeling it. I ride anything from 8.25 to 8.5, 149 feels best for me. Ace 44's (classics) are a close second for me. I probably still would be riding Aces if I didn't get axle slip around halfway through the truck's life.
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I bought 149's.. yet still not the board yet.
I've got cold feet
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I ride 5.8 ventures on my hockey 8.38, it's solid. But I'm wanting to go down to 8.25 and dunno if I wanna buy new trucks....
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I ride 5.8 ventures on my hockey 8.38, it's solid. But I'm wanting to go down to 8.25 and dunno if I wanna buy new trucks....
5.8 Ventures have 147mm axles, so they are closer to a 8.38" truck than a 8.5", the same goes for krux too if I'm remembering correctly.
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I'm on the ace classic 44 bus.best size , feel, performance,looks,etc trucks I've ever had.have a set of 66 and can't get a good size board for em though.any recommendations? Heard winkowskis shaped deck on another thread,and it looks fun
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8.375” Eagle w/ Indy 159s (8.75”) was one of my favourite set ups ever…. Just saying’.
Frankenstein trucks for life.
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I ride 5.8 ventures on my hockey 8.38, it's solid. But I'm wanting to go down to 8.25 and dunno if I wanna buy new trucks....
anything to back that up?
ive rode 8.38s on 5.8s and had my axles poking out
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I ride 5.8 ventures on my hockey 8.38, it's solid. But I'm wanting to go down to 8.25 and dunno if I wanna buy new trucks....
ive rode 8.38s on 5.8s and had my axles poking out
im running 5.8's on an 8.25 full se right now. Fits perfect, doesn't stick out at all. feels stable as fook.
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I ride 5.8 ventures on my hockey 8.38, it's solid. But I'm wanting to go down to 8.25 and dunno if I wanna buy new trucks....
ive rode 8.38s on 5.8s and had my axles poking out
im running 5.8's on an 8.25 full se right now. Fits perfect, doesn't stick out at all. feels stable as fook.
8.25 deck with 149 truck is a highly viable setup
i was questioning the 147mm statement
5.8s supposedly have 149-150mm hangers/215mm axles
not so much about the difference in mm but more about qc
8.5 trucks with 147mm hangers is more an ace thing
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Unpopular opinion but I'm running Indy 159s on an 8.38 FullSE (really closer to 8.4-8.5) at the moment and loving it. I can run these trucks all the way up to 8.75 just by swapping wheels around. A little axle hotrodding out doesn't bother me as long as the wheels are flush.
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How wide were stage 7 and Stage 8... the 146's? I recall them being 8.25 technically?
(https://i.imgur.com/jpyKZv2m.jpg)
yes, the stage VII 146s have a 144 hanger/8.25 axle
Think I may want to go 144's over 149's
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If your goal is to have the deck and axles flush, then Ace 44 would be one of the few that come really close. If you're set on riding Indy's, I guess you could just put a couple extra washers in your 144s. 149 will work great, but will hotrod very slightly if you use wide wheels.
I often get 8.38 with my Theeve 6.5 (8.5 axle), as Theeve are always a bit narrower than advertised.
Mini logo has an 8.38. I honestly think it's a better size than 149/8.5.
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I ride 5.8 ventures on my hockey 8.38, it's solid. But I'm wanting to go down to 8.25 and dunno if I wanna buy new trucks....
ive rode 8.38s on 5.8s and had my axles poking out
I was going off of tactics measurements on the Ventures. The measurements they have listed are correct for the other trucks i have measured so i assumed they are accurate. Let me know if the 5.8s actually have 149mm axles if someone out there can measure them, preferably with with a caliper. I know we are only talking a difference of 2mm but when you have the madness it really does make a difference.
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Went skating on my AH 7.81 this morning, and my knees are aching. Anyone have a theory on if wider boards are better for old ass legs? Or if I am just funded (likely). This has what spawned me pondering the upgrade in size
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Went skating on my AH 7.81 this morning, and my knees are aching. Anyone have a theory on if wider boards are better for old ass legs? Or if I am just funded (likely). This has what spawned me pondering the upgrade in size
Are you on 129s or 139s? I’ve been off of ‘7.75s’ in part because of truck choices…
For me, smaller setups tend to be kinder on my joints/connective/smaller muscle groups/ligaments.
Some people have mentioned that smaller setups kinda require one to be more up on the balls of their feet, which I understood as a good result, but could possibly be bothering your legs?
In my experience, lower extremity pain comes from: extra weight, muscle imbalance(s), lack of flexibility. I’ve been trying to foam roll a little bit, and started doing some calf raises. I am not a flexible person, and it’s hard to be motivated for that shit. I also weighed 20#s less when I was in high school/‘decent’ at skating.
I’ve generally hated on 8.25 trucks, for no good reason, they might be the answer. Or just hover board that shit with hella axle washers like Ishod (using 8” trucks)
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I guess I’m crazed.. I run 159 forged hollows on 8.5, ever once in awhile I setup an 8.38 (I buy either size and keep a decent stack) and they are fine on that too. I don’t think they stick way out or anything, maybe I can see a hint of axel if I’m really looking..
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Went skating on my AH 7.81 this morning, and my knees are aching. Anyone have a theory on if wider boards are better for old ass legs? Or if I am just funded (likely). This has what spawned me pondering the upgrade in size
Are you on 129s or 139s? I’ve been off of ‘7.75s’ in part because of truck choices…
For me, smaller setups tend to be kinder on my joints/connective/smaller muscle groups/ligaments.
Some people have mentioned that smaller setups kinda require one to be more up on the balls of their feet, which I understood as a good result, but could possibly be bothering your legs?
In my experience, lower extremity pain comes from: extra weight, muscle imbalance(s), lack of flexibility. I’ve been trying to foam roll a little bit, and started doing some calf raises. I am not a flexible person, and it’s hard to be motivated for that shit. I also weighed 20#s less when I was in high school/‘decent’ at skating.
I’ve generally hated on 8.25 trucks, for no good reason, they might be the answer. Or just hover board that shit with hella axle washers like Ishod (using 8” trucks)
I meant "fucked " not funded, predictive text was wild. I'm out of skate shape so... i might just be a sore ass bum. Obviously I'm flip flopping on trying an 8.38 lol. I do feel like my 149 purchase was a mistake, if even trying this at all, gonna try the 144s like you mentioned. And do some leg workouts lol
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Went skating on my AH 7.81 this morning, and my knees are aching. Anyone have a theory on if wider boards are better for old ass legs? Or if I am just funded (likely). This has what spawned me pondering the upgrade in size
Are you on 129s or 139s? I’ve been off of ‘7.75s’ in part because of truck choices…
For me, smaller setups tend to be kinder on my joints/connective/smaller muscle groups/ligaments.
Some people have mentioned that smaller setups kinda require one to be more up on the balls of their feet, which I understood as a good result, but could possibly be bothering your legs?
In my experience, lower extremity pain comes from: extra weight, muscle imbalance(s), lack of flexibility. I’ve been trying to foam roll a little bit, and started doing some calf raises. I am not a flexible person, and it’s hard to be motivated for that shit. I also weighed 20#s less when I was in high school/‘decent’ at skating.
I’ve generally hated on 8.25 trucks, for no good reason, they might be the answer. Or just hover board that shit with hella axle washers like Ishod (using 8” trucks)
I meant "fucked " not funded, predictive text was wild. I'm out of skate shape so... i might just be a sore ass bum. Obviously I'm flip flopping on trying an 8.38 lol. I do feel like my 149 purchase was a mistake, if even trying this at all, gonna try the 144s like you mentioned. And do some leg workouts lol
Fuck working out.
but sadly at this point it is pretty much the only way I’ll get to skate for a few more years, soooo…bring on the Zumba.
If you have 139s, maybe just try that on an 8.25-8.38. This was the size up move for all of us trend hoppers in 2010. Boards got bigger, but I’m soft as baby shit and couldn’t handle the 149s. I know I wasn’t the only one. It was kinda like a reverse of that thing that happened in the 90s when 7.5s came out and everyone had 8” trucks.
139s definitely don’t match 8.25-8.38, but…you’ll be able to flip that shit. And it doesn’t cost anymore. And then when you hate it, and switch to 144s and 149s, you can be a kook of pain like myself with wheelbite marks all over the place.
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Wider boards are not easier on old legs, but it does make it easier to land on! Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other for sure. Fwiw I enjoyed 144s and other 8.25 trucks on 8.3 decks
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Have you considered letting your wheel shape determine whether you go + or – on the trucks?
I go for the wider trucks if my wheels have a slimmer shape (like a Classic) because the narrow contact patch brings the effective width of the truck in, and I go for the narrower trucks if I’m using square/wide wheels because they do the opposite.
I do the exact opposite. With smaller trucks I use classic shape wheels to maximize grind space and with wider trucks I use bigger wheels or just conical wheels.
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Well, I manned up and bought Indy 144s for a new 8.38. Hope this turns out well for me.
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Well, I manned up and bought Indy 144s for a new 8.38. Hope this turns out well for me.
You can't go wrong with either or. I'm riding 149s on an 8.38 and I like it. But I've also rode 144s on the same board and liked it. I just like my 149s a little more for stability and more room to grind.
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Well, I manned up and bought Indy 144s for a new 8.38. Hope this turns out well for me.
The struggle is real!
We’re talking 1/8” on either side. 1/4” of ‘extra’ stability…it’s all mental...except when it applies to wheebase, that 1/4" is the REAL DEAL ;P
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Worst case scenario is I have a panic attack and buy 149s
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Worst case scenario is I have a panic attack and buy 149s
One of the benefits of being a gear whore is I've enough gear to swap out hangers on the fly for Indy/Royal...no 149 thunders tho.
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Worst case scenario is I have a panic attack and buy 149s
One of the benefits of being a gear whore is I've enough gear to swap out hangers on the fly for Indy/Royal...now 149 thunders tho.
guilty
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I am starting to realize a 8.3 on 149s is the perfect deal for me. I skate a lot of curbs but I do wander into a park like a senile old man (which I am) and try to do skateboard stunts on that stuff, and it works for that too.
I thought a Real 8.5 full was going to be “the one” but it kinda feels boaty. Back to the ole 8.3 for me.
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OK reminded me of smaller trucks style, for flippery, which is my deal.
Basically trying to recreate my 7.81 deck with 129s... on a bigger scale
figure 8.38 on 144s is a pretty good match. Going to have to skate it a lot right out of the gate to figure out this size I think
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OK reminded me of smaller trucks style, for flippery, which is my deal.
Basically trying to recreate my 7.81 deck with 129s... on a bigger scale
figure 8.38 on 144s is a pretty good match. Going to have to skate it a lot right out of the gate to figure out this size I think
Oh fuck. Well I hope/this better work.
In truth, sizing up isn’t so bad. As close as I can be to being succinct: shit that I couldn’t do before, still couldn’t, shit that could do, could do faster and more comfortably.
I hope it works!
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"It feels so weird - it's so big. I feel kinda manly though." - Rodney Mullen in Rubbish Heap
This is me right now.
Your theory made sense to me. I just need to put in the work (AKA time) to getting used to a new size.
Part of the fun of skating back in the day was trying new things. Trying to just have fun again!
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8.25 with 149s. Quit over-thinking it
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139s two washers.
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Stick with same size trucks no matter board size. Skate trucks til they die. Pick board based off graphic. Don't get too technical. A good guitar player can play any guitar good, it's time you put in not the 1/4 inch difference in set up. The dude that takes hand me down set ups is usually better bc he focuses on skating not shopping on the net imo.
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Stick with same size trucks no matter board size. Skate trucks til they die. Pick board based off graphic. Don't get too technical. A good guitar player can play any guitar good, it's time you put in not the 1/4 inch difference in set up. The dude that takes hand me down set ups is usually better bc he focuses on skating not shopping on the net imo.
That's the rub when you ride 8.3s :) both 8.25 or 8.5 trucks will work, unless you commit to ML or ACE44 classics for your 8.3" truck.
A lot depends on what and how you skate and trick selection. It's not a one size fits all scenario.
I'd never pick a board off a graphic unless it's a re-issue or there were multiple options on a shape I wanted; Shape (dims included) is everything.