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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Vintagebody on April 04, 2022, 06:55:21 AM
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Yo
Since I'm completly mental, I'd like to hear about your angle of pop!
All this talk about wheelbase, this and that, but no actual angle of pop...
Paul Schmitt mentioned most pro's use 34-36 degrees of pop. Whats yours?
If you have a phone, it often comes with a tool to measure angle.
Please do specify board and trucks if you comment!
I ride Indy's with riser pads to compensate for worn wheels. Blank deck with 14.25 WB.
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You got a link to a video of how to figure this out?
Sounds like I have new thing to obsess over when it comes to boards
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You just have your deck on a level desk/floor whatever. Push the tail down, and measure between the truck bolts. The more angle, the more effort to pop, but the higher you'll go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-fmy41IjlM
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This has gone too far
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This has gone too far
Board madness will set you free. Come join us and see the light
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It has nothing to do with board madness. Its more to keep the setup as consistent as possible.
Skateboarding is already hard enough. Why make it harder by having inconsistent setups?
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Fuck it, it's the end of my workday, I've got absolutely nothing better to do and I'm down with the madness.
My Worrest twin 8.38 that's razored about halfway through the 3rd ply on both sides / indy forged hollows / 53mm wheels is reading 35 on one side and 35.7 on the other.
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It has nothing to do with board madness. Its more to keep the setup as consistent as possible.
Skateboarding is already hard enough. Why make it harder by having inconsistent setups?
wheels wear down
not all boards are single pressed
tails mellow out over time
consistent setups are a thing but this is pointless
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Yea and let's not pretend that you haven't changed your truck brand three times last month
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34! Idk what this means tho
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The best thing you can do for your pop, is to put on a white lab coat.
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sounds like something olympic skateboarders would talk about
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37° for me. Got an Antihero Blue meanie (8.75”) with 14.75” wheelbase. Ace AF1 55s (8.5”). Real wooden risers and 58mm Spitfire OG Classics. The pop feel is really quite hefty but when it goes, it goes nicely. I do not keep my setups consistent though as I like to experiment. And there are many other things affecting the pop feel than just the angle.
You could’ve put more options in your poll. Gotta have love for the big wheel boys with risers. With Ventures and bigger wheels & 1/4” risers I’d think this setup would go to 40° and beyond!
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35°
Krooked Worrest 8.3 twin tail
new Royal 144 IKP
Spitfire F4 52mm Classics
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34! Idk what this means tho
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this is too much
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To find a positive and a negative angle coterminal with a given angle, you can add and subtract 360°if the angle is measured in degrees or 2π if the angle is measured in radians. Example 1: Find a positive and a negative angle coterminal with a 55°angle. A −305°angle and a 415°angle are coterminal with a 55°angle
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It's not. It can save you money. Instead of buying new wheels, you can just buy riser pads.
Here's the better video btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPpqQnzxno&t=286s
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Alright I'll bite. I got a new setup and have been really curious about this myself.
I've been ghost popping so much with my new setup, but also have been cranking out some pretty massive ollie's as well.
Quasi Proto II 8.5
Ace Classic 44
Spitfire Radial Full 56mm
35 between the bolts, 36 a bit more towards the center of the board.
I'll have to measure my previous setup that I had been using for such a long time to figure out what difference is messing with me.
Edit: okay I need to find a different phone app or just use a real level. It's saying 34 now.
It said 37.5 for my previous setup, but I don't think any of these measurements are reliable so I will update this later.
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I have 7 setups in the garage right now.
The 8, 8.3 and 8.38 boards are 35 degrees. These are the boards that I skate when I'm going to flip it at all.
the 8.5 and 8.75 shaped w/8.5" trucks are 36. The 8.5 doesn't get ridden much. The shaped spends 95% of it's time in transition.
the 8.75 and 9.25 are 37. The 9.25 only gets ridden in bowls so angle of pop matters little. The 8.75 has big pop, but takes work.
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Ok.
So i have nothing better to do atm..
34° on my Krooked 8.28, 14.15 wheelbase, Standart Royals 144, 54mm Spitfire
34° on my FA 8.18 , 14 wheelbase , Venture 5.6 v-lights , 53mm Spitfire
34,5° on my Real 8.06 Full SE , 14 wheelbase , Indy 144 Titaniums, arround 52mm Spitfire
35° on my Real 8.25 Full SE, 14.25 wheelbase, Film 5.5 , 54mm OJ Mini Juice (Cruiser)
Seems 34 is my shit.. Love my main Krooked setup.
I hope this makes my life better..
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I actually believe this is the secret to figuring out what deck will work with what wheels and what trucks. My guess is that we all have an acceptable personal range of maybe 1.5 degrees that we find ideal or manageable before we get too steep/ghost pop or not enough pop/too mellow.
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I don't see this level of crazy doing anything for me but we should enable all forms of madness here until your desired dimensions hit 5150.
36° on a DLX 8.5x31.8x14.25 (6.5" tail), forged truck on 1/8 riser so it's ~56mm tall, 56mm wheels
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I actually believe this is the secret to figuring out what deck will work with what wheels and what trucks. My guess is that we all have an acceptable personal range of maybe 1.5 degrees that we find ideal or manageable before we get too steep/ghost pop or not enough pop/too mellow.
I think the length of the tail also is important regardless of angle.
I'm going from a Toy Machine with a shorter steeper tail to a Quasi with a longer mellower tail. You would think I would ghost pop more on the one with the steeper tail right?... but I ghost pop on the one with the mellower tail due to how long the tail is.
I'm sure I will get used to the tail eventually, but for now its very hit or miss.
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I actually believe this is the secret to figuring out what deck will work with what wheels and what trucks. My guess is that we all have an acceptable personal range of maybe 1.5 degrees that we find ideal or manageable before we get too steep/ghost pop or not enough pop/too mellow.
I think the length of the tail also is important regardless of angle.
I'm going from a Toy Machine with a shorter steeper tail to a Quasi with a longer mellower tail. You would think I would ghost pop more on the one with the steeper tail right?... but I ghost pop on the one with the mellower tail due to how long the tail is.
I'm sure I will get used to the tail eventually, but for now its very hit or miss.
It could be that the Quasi has a funky WB, making it heavier to pop.
I used to ghost pop alot with Indy's, even tho they should feel lighter duo to narrower WB then Thunder (which has been my main trucks for years). But they are also taller then Thunders, so the actual angle of pop was almost identical.
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Girl g08 with venture 5.2 hollow forged highs and 50ish wheels is still 38 on my phone, steep kick pylon with 56mm and Indy hollow is 37, chocolate twin on thunders and 54 is at 36.
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36.7°
Anti hero gray eagle 8.25" 13.375" WB, 6.5" tail, this one was an IV (bottom of the stack, mellowest of this deck)
52mm wheels
Independent hollow stage 11's, normal kingpin arrangement.
I also have a DGK deck with 54 mm wheels and thrasher independent trucks and its tail is so long and the fingers of flat are so long I put an eighth inch riser set on it to get it to pop anywhere near the same angle as my antihero.
If I get excited later I'll take the risers off and see what angle it was popping at without them. It was so low that it really threw me off.
I feel like 37° is probably the steepest I could deal with given my physique (short legs and small feet) but I'm so used to it that shallower angles throw off my incredibly poor ollie timing. If I had an antihero deck from any higher in the stack I'm sure I would have to put some ace trucks on there or it would be too steep. I feel like even going to 54 mm wheels on the antihero deck would necessitate some shorter wheelbase trucks to tame the angle.
What surprises me is how small of a change in angle we can feel and how much it matters. I can't eyeball the difference between a 35° and a 37° pop angle But I can sure feel it.
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I'm going from a Toy Machine with a shorter steeper tail to a Quasi with a longer mellower tail. You would think I would ghost pop more on the one with the steeper tail right?... but I ghost pop on the one with the mellower tail due to how long the tail is.
I'm sure I will get used to the tail eventually, but for now its very hit or miss.
I find that on mellower tails it helps to move my foot a little closer to the pocket than on a steeper setup where I use it closer to the tip.
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Been going through the madness for the past month and comparing my angle to all my friends set ups. My set up is kinda geared towards UK crusty skatepark and street.
Not sure about the angle but it's very steep. Standard Indy's, risers, what were once 54mm wheels but are now like 50mm.
Pros - even crusty floor feels nice to ride on, can get on ledges easily, anything off the nose feels amazing e.g. nollie and swith flips
Cons - pretty tippy, kickflips and fakie flips are rocket central, ghost the pop on tre flips a bit
Edit: Tail angle = 37.4° (definitely feels too steep for most flip tricks)
Nose = 36°
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I actually believe this is the secret to figuring out what deck will work with what wheels and what trucks. My guess is that we all have an acceptable personal range of maybe 1.5 degrees that we find ideal or manageable before we get too steep/ghost pop or not enough pop/too mellow.
I think the length of the tail also is important regardless of angle.
I'm going from a Toy Machine with a shorter steeper tail to a Quasi with a longer mellower tail. You would think I would ghost pop more on the one with the steeper tail right?... but I ghost pop on the one with the mellower tail due to how long the tail is.
I'm sure I will get used to the tail eventually, but for now its very hit or miss.
I agree with you, I think the tail length is super important, and is all baked into this angle calculation. A steep tail can feel dead if it’s super long with lots of fingers of flat, just like on the other end a mellow but short tail can make pop feel heavy.
All in all, I think there are just so many factors(steepness, tail length, truck height, wheel size etc) so using the angle accounts for each of these all in one.
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You got a link to a video of how to figure this out?
Sounds like I have new thing to obsess over when it comes to boards
https://youtu.be/t-kQUNXI6_E (https://youtu.be/t-kQUNXI6_E)
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This just be the hard drug all our gateway way madness led us too.
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So... you guys are going to be walking into the skate shop with one of those Halliburton briefcases in hand, dropping it down on the floor in front of the board wall, opening it up to reveal any number of protractors, compasses, laser levels, digital calipers, etc and talking about determining the sacred geometry of optimum pop and flick angles by using the pythagorean theorem and quadratic formula in tandem while the dude at the shop stares at you and says... "yeah, that's cool dude, do you want me to grip it, because I was about to go on break..."?
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Jesus if you need to break out a protractor to skate better you're too far gone lol
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I used an app on my phone and the the tail and pop angles on my current set up are 36, but the feel i have is different. My back flips feel better when skating the nose as a tail. I am on a scum co 8/31/14 ,film trucks 55mm heigh, loophole worn down to 53, the nose of the deck is longer and looks a bit steeper. I have to check the other set up when get back home and compare the angles and see how it feels.
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Shut the fuck up and go buy some risers….
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Nah bro I can't... If I go down this rabbit hole I'm gonna be broke, with a pop angle of 180' and 6ft under.......
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It has nothing to do with board madness. Its more to keep the setup as consistent as possible.
Skateboarding is already hard enough. Why make it harder by having inconsistent setups?
not all boards are single pressed
tails mellow out over time
consistent setups are a thing but this is pointless
Agreed. If you use a Christmas complete every time then it could be consistent. If not, to many variables in the mix.
Hail Science!
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imma jus have to sit out for this one
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i bet the crossover between people who care about angle of pop and people who can clear a pyramid is.. not huge
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The digital app said 39.6
That seems extreme
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35 for me, which is...mellow?! IDK.
Girl G027
spitfire F4 52mm
Thunder Light II
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this thread didnt need a second life
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Nice topic. Good read(lol) and interesant point that angle thing.
Set up:
-Hockey 8,25(2#shape)
-Thunders hollow lights 148 with thinder black 100duro bushings/rebuild kit
-Splitfire og 52mm
34 on tail 35 on nose
I am a tall person (1,83m) id like to get a 36 angle.
Just looking for the right material to make my self a pair shockpads of 3mm
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(https://i.ibb.co/2vdBhKq/7-C6-CC204-8-F68-4-DFE-A79-F-AB0527-E305-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2vdBhKq)
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Nice topic. Good read(lol) and interesant point that angle thing.
Set up:
-Hockey 8,25(2#shape)
-Thunders hollow lights 148 with thinder black 100duro bushings/rebuild kit
-Splitfire og 52mm
34 on tail 35 on nose
I am a tall person (1,83m) id like to get a 36 angle.
Just looking for the right material to make my self a pair shockpads of 3mm
1/8" (standard thickness) risers are about 3mm. if you're getting soft rubber ones for "shockpads" you can tighten them down to be 3mm exactly.
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I skated Indy's with risers and it fucked my flips up so bad. My angle was super steep at 37.8 on the tail side.
Anyway out a new set up on with risers, ace trucks and a polar board. Now my angle is 35.5 which is a big difference.
Anyway turned out to be the board. The polar board has a 6.75 tail and the first board was a local brand and the tail was 6.125 do thats what was giving me a steep angle. Basically I thought it was the trucks for so long
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I skated Indy's with risers and it fucked my flips up so bad. My angle was super steep at 37.8 on the tail side.
Anyway out a new set up on with risers, ace trucks and a polar board. Now my angle is 35.5 which is a big difference.
Anyway turned out to be the board. The polar board has a 6.75 tail and the first board was a local brand and the tail was 6.125 do thats what was giving me a steep angle. Basically I thought it was the trucks for so long
truck height/geo is still a major factor though especially since you mentioned indy and ace. indy standard height is 55 mm and ace standard height is 53 mm which is a big difference. wheel size, risers, length/concave of kicks will all contribute to the pop angle