Man. I’m gonna be a bad influence and say try the popsicles now it’s an option financially. If you like it sell the eggs or keep for later. If you don’t like it keep skating your current setup and keep it as back up.
Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
Being injured or otherwise not able to skate enough is the worst. That’s when my madness goes off the charts. Last time I was properly injured I went from 1 setup & 1 cruiser to 8 total. For the last year or so I’ve been too busy with life and sprained my back a while ago so I couldn’t really skate for 2 months. I have 8 setups again and a huge stack of decks & a whole bunch of other stuff. Shoes I still have probably 40 pairs.
I guess the logic is that if I can’t get stoked on skating I try to remedy that by buying skate stuff that’ll get me stoked. The stoke from that is rather superficial though and won’t last for long and is nothing compared to the stoke I get from skating. Although having a setup you’re stoked on is very important for me. But it’s not like I end up disliking my old stuff either. I like them all. I just have too many of them.
Truck madness I’ve been cured from though. Only Aces for quite a few years now. Classic 44s, 55s, 66s and AF1 55s, 60s & 66s depending on the deck. Changing between truck brands was fucking me up way too much. It wasn’t fun anymore.
Expand QuoteAlso I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.[close]
We'll acknowledge that our gear madness is not getting us anywhere, tone it down for a while, then our minds will wander again.
There is no cure, just varying degrees of gear madness, dependent on how good our last session was.Expand QuoteBeen skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?[close]
If you're thinking it (and can afford it), then go for it, but don't go full ham on it. Just get the deck and reuse whatever trucks you have available. Then if you don't like the deck pass it to a friend or sell it off, at least you'll know without getting overly invested in the "ecosystem" (new trucks, bushings, wheels).
That's the only way you'll be able to scratch the itch and be at peace.
Expand QuoteMan. I’m gonna be a bad influence and say try the popsicles now it’s an option financially. If you like it sell the eggs or keep for later. If you don’t like it keep skating your current setup and keep it as back up.
Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.[close]
It can still be negative. There is time. I think I might need to be told that a popsicle isn't going to up my flatground game at 39.
I'm much more happier when I have one setup. I don't have to decide which one to skate that day. And I progress more when I stick with one. But to each their own.I recently had the same epiphany. My quiver was getting out of hand given the fact that I have limited opportunity to skate these days anyway. So I disassembled all but two and feel much better about it. Plus now I have a stockpile of spare parts I can mix and match if I feel like making slight adjustments.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAlso I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.[close]
We'll acknowledge that our gear madness is not getting us anywhere, tone it down for a while, then our minds will wander again.
There is no cure, just varying degrees of gear madness, dependent on how good our last session was.Expand QuoteBeen skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?[close]
If you're thinking it (and can afford it), then go for it, but don't go full ham on it. Just get the deck and reuse whatever trucks you have available. Then if you don't like the deck pass it to a friend or sell it off, at least you'll know without getting overly invested in the "ecosystem" (new trucks, bushings, wheels).
That's the only way you'll be able to scratch the itch and be at peace.[close]
Totally agree. On good sessions I'm satisfied with my setup, but after a bad session I immidiately think of what I could change regarding trucks/bushings/wheelbase etc. I also occasionally just have to check if the gras really isn't greener; I mount some old thunder trucks, like the low weight, hate the steering, and go back to ace or indy :P
I recently had the same epiphany. My quiver was getting out of hand given the fact that I have limited opportunity to skate these days anyway. So I disassembled all but two and feel much better about it. Plus now I have a stockpile of spare parts I can mix and match if I feel like making slight adjustments.Expand QuoteI'm much more happier when I have one setup. I don't have to decide which one to skate that day. And I progress more when I stick with one. But to each their own.[close]
So most of my (many) posts in this thread are gonna be like: ‘ohmygod guys did you see Wade’s part? Should I get accel slims!?’
Sup pals. Been wanting to do this for a bit, kind of a catch all thread for people to talk about their madness and to hopefully get some clarity / be talked down from making foolish decisions. We'll see.
Anyways, here is my current situation:
Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
Worth mentioning I skate my boards for kind of a long time (3-5 months).
I started skating a 8" popsicle with ventures and 51mm wheels again and got back nollie flips the same day.
The big change is that I limited myself from doing nothing but slappies. If I want to be able to have good ollies, it means doing it at every opportunity.
My fun shapes weren't fun for what I wanted to be able to do with my old legs.
YMMV.
Glad to see people are posting.
For some reason I can't tag anyone, but big ups to everyone donating gear. I did a couple big clean outs recently and dropped a bunch of stuff at the local.
I actually had a decent (for me) flatground session on my shaped board today...I think maybe I just needed to get used to the smaller wheels I've been running? So the beast is sleeping for now. If I see a nice pointy-ish popsicle next time I'm at the shop, though...
How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
I’ve been on ace classics forever. Thought i was never gonna change. Than ace came out with low hollows. I was stoked. Thought i was finally gonna make the jump to AF 1. Got em and hated em. Grind was too smooth for me compared to the classics. I got another set of classics. Fast forward 2 months later, i’m kinda annoyed that classic 44 aren’t 8.5 axel…ok no big deal. I’ll get a new set of trucks once skate through these a little more. Got an egg and the 8.38 axel is noticeably more magic carpet than normal to my previous shape. Getting more annoyed… I go to a mini ramp this week and I keep sticking on basic grinds, maybe it’s the coping, maybe it’s my trucks wearing down, but now i’m getting pissed. And now i’m back to thinking, maybe that AF1 grind wasn’t so bad after all… Now I want AF1 55 but not in hollow.
Sigh. Just amassing trucks. It was easier when the board shape and wheelbase was the constant in my set ups. Now that i’m changing boards i’m really getting the truck madness. Ugh.
Expand QuoteHow does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.[close]
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.[close]
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).[close]
This is the final level of gear madness haha
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHow does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.[close]
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).[close]
This is the final level of gear madness haha[close]
This is the extent of my madness, I don't mess with bushings, pivot cups or washers, at most Bones bushings.
This is how I do it too. Eventually all your tricks will work on that one setup. Just stay committed to it.Expand QuoteHow does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.[close]
Don't set up a 2nd, 3rd; 4th, etc. setup. Make one your go to and force yourself to ride it! If you spend enough time on one you won't want to ride a different one. At least, that's what's worked for me.
This is how I do it too. Eventually all your tricks will work on that one setup. Just stay committed to it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.[close]
Don't set up a 2nd, 3rd; 4th, etc. setup. Make one your go to and force yourself to ride it! If you spend enough time on one you won't want to ride a different one. At least, that's what's worked for me.[close]
Basically what I’m trying to say is I want the best of all worlds and that’s not how it works.
But, one deck, one pair of trucks is gonna be a game changer.
Expand QuoteBut, one deck, one pair of trucks is gonna be a game changer.[close]
That's a first step, then go up or down 0.125" up or down in deck size if you want more flippery or stability. I think that's where the odd sizes like 8.125 / 8.38 / 8.625 come in handy: when you want a compromise size without having to swap trucks. Lots of guys I know who started off in the 7.75 days move up to 8.0 when they first come back and eventually settle on 8.125 / 8.25 as they pack on the pounds or get taller with age.
Take it from a guy who's tried damn near everything the market has to offer...
If you're struggling and hitting a wall progression-wise it's almost certainly not your gear. It's your form. If you consistently aren't landing something it's a lot more likely you're doing something fundamentally wrong than your wheelbase. I did this for a long time and even though I knew in the back of my head the problem was that I was being a poor craftsman and blaming my tools, I thought some day I'd step on some magical combination of wood and metal and be able to skate like I was 16 again. Didn't work. Still doesn't. Never will.
Skate what you like. If you want to get better then practice more on what you like.
Written while literally sitting on a box of boards I haven't skated.
I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
Why not a middle ground setup with 8.25 deck and build it for ATV use?
Mid height trucks and skinnier 54mm wheels but with a wider contact patch to compensate for a harder smaller wheel.Expand QuoteBasically what I’m trying to say is I want the best of all worlds and that’s not how it works.[close]
Ok that explains it.
Expand QuoteI've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.[close]
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.[close]
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.[close]
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.[close]
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.[close]
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
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I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.[close]
I'm kind of the other way around. I tried a bunch of shit when i was younger, then i tired indys after skating for like 6-7 years. I only skated indys for the longest time. Eventually, I basically stopped skating for a few years, and when i got back into it again more seriously, i got another pair of indys, they were ok for a while, but something just felt off. I basically just chalked it up to me being rusty for a year or so, then i really started getting into my setup after that and started trying other brands again. Really had no recollection of how different the other trucks were, i just always thought indys were the best. The variety of riders on indy is def a testament to their versatility. GT, mason silva, and tom Knox all ride 149s, crazy if you think about it.
I have been thoroughly enjoying my thunder team hollow 148's lately. First thunders ive ridden in like 15 years. They have their tradeoffs, but the turn, popfeel, and pinch really suit my style of skateboarding. The bushings seem kinda shitty though, mine are splitting after a handful of sessions. The baseplate issue is kind of annoying, but im adjusting my slide tricks and they are getting better. Nothing will ever match an indy grind though, just gotta accept that. Lurpivs were pretty damn close though.
Another disappointed Indy guy here (altho I've been riding thunders for a while I know I'll probably be back at some point). Between 2004-2009(whenever thunder finally made a 149) I must of converted twenty people over to indys. like trust me Indy are better than thunder and venture then trust me 149 is better than 139.dont know why I think I just hated all the neon pattern trucks people rode. Now I can't even say what's better about them. It's certainly not the image. In my head they just manual better but then look at all the Manny guys on thunder and venture.
There is a small piece of me deep down inside that wants to like thunders but I need my baseplate to get as destroyed as possible on noseslides and tailslides for me to fully bond with my trucks. I did some good skating on the thunder team hollows (I think) a couple years ago - the hollow ones with the cast baseplate.
I dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.Here's how I think (obviously this isn't 100% true but this is a madness thread) with Indy I can hold a manual or nosegrind or 5-0 really low pretty comfortably. I can be a half inch from dropping into 5050 but it's not a problem then if I want to pop out early or try a flip out I have a ton of leverage. If I've kept my speed it's not too different from just rolling/5050 and trying the trick.
I dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.
Expand QuoteI dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.[close]
I think this is true, buuuuuuut if I’m being bitchy:
Yes pros can skate whatever. Yes some absolutely legendary skating of all types happens on Indys. As it relates to the primitive video: Carlos, and Tiago both skate mids now, no? A truck that’s kinda trying to chase some venture/thunder qualities in pop/pinch. Tre isn’t super tech. Imo there is a reason some of the tech guys skate what they do. It works for that.
I mean Yuto spun a flawless (padless) 540 on vert, with what looked like 5.2 lo’s and 50s. I can’t drop in on the local pool, and wouldn’t dream of doing so on a vertical ramp, but if there was the old gun to head, I wouldn’t be reaching for his setup.
That super tech flippery Jamie Griffin skates indys I think, as does monteiro, Joslin, French Joslin…
All I’m trying to blab on about is pros can use whatever,trucks have unique geometries that help for certain things more than others.
I wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either
Expand QuoteI wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either[close]
Aye!! Recovery!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either[close]
Aye!! Recovery![close]
Never proclaim recovery pre-maturely, relapses are real and the Gear Gods are relentless
Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
Expand QuoteFound a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.[close]
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFound a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.[close]
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.[close]
Thanks. I should mention that I skated Ventures pretty much exclusively for 14-ish years so Irealize what I might be getting myself into. I also know a huge part of it is nostalgia and that I should give the Royals a chance (I do like to be able to surf out of my shitty landings), but in my head the lower hight and longer WB made flipping my board easier. I'm pretty tall and I find too short a board/WB and flick happens too early.
Expand QuoteFound a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.[close]
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.[close]
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.[close]
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.[close]
I took 20 years off skating, and when I came back I noticed that almost all the guys my age were skating Indy. I thought they were un-enlightened and that they were just skating Indy because thats what they had been skating forever.
So I became "enlightened". I bought Thunder, Ace, MiniLogo, Krux, Royal... and yes, Indy. The Krux and Royal sucked. But the Thunder, Ace and MiniLogo all did SOMETHING better than Indy. Indy was just the shitty "default" truck.
It turns out, default is good.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFound a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.[close]
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.[close]
This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
Wheelbase and shape is where I struggle. Longer WB feels better riding fast, cruising or slappies but my flip tricks suffer. Oddly I downsized from an 8.375 twin to a regular 8.125 and everything feels...fine...both 14.25"WB
This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB[close]
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB[close]
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?[close]
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB[close]
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?[close]
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.[close]
same wb and weight roughly as cast thunders, but they pop lighter? how does that work? I'm loving the popfeel on these thunders recently, and have been just dealing with the baseplate issue, im getting better with it, but if i cant have the best of both worlds, why not?
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB[close]
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?[close]
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.[close]
same wb and weight roughly as cast thunders, but they pop lighter? how does that work? I'm loving the popfeel on these thunders recently, and have been just dealing with the baseplate issue, im getting better with it, but if i cant have the best of both worlds, why not?[close]
I meant to say the turn like Indy's, pop feel is around the same as Thunder
Congrats to everyone who turned this thread around and sent the insecure out there to buy yet another new pair of trucks.
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Gear Madness Enablers Thread
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Gear Madness Enablers Thread[close]
When Beavis and Butthead go to AA
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCongrats to everyone who turned this thread around and sent the insecure out there to buy yet another new pair of trucks.[close]
Gear Madness Enablers Thread[close]
When Beavis and Butthead go to AA
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB[close]
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?[close]
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
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Gear Madness Enablers Thread
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
After few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again!
Expand QuoteAfter few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again![close]
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
Got hoarder genetics. Not going into all the therapy but also obsessive about having "enough" or having a full set so my madness often results in me having a ton of the same thing or like say I want a pair of dickies will I get brown or black? Ahhh fuck it I'll get ten pairs so I have every colour.
Key to happiness(for me at least) can be to just simplify as much as possible. I know I like coke the best so why fill my fridge with every soda. Giving stuff away also helps (as others have mentioned) I know I'll pretty much never buy Nike's again because years ago I have some guy a massive jersey bag full of dunks, prods, Omar's etc and now can't bring myself to spend real money on stuff like that again.
I’m in this category. I found what works well and stuck with it. I ended up breaking a board I loved so after i saw they weren’t offered in the next drop I ended up searching to find all I could. Ended up with 14 or so of the same deck and I’m almost through that stack now. Kind of wish I hadn’t hoarded them all since I got a few others after that that I want to ride but can’t until the stockpile is finished. The plus side is when I set up a new deck there’s no adjustment period.Expand QuoteGot hoarder genetics. Not going into all the therapy but also obsessive about having "enough" or having a full set so my madness often results in me having a ton of the same thing or like say I want a pair of dickies will I get brown or black? Ahhh fuck it I'll get ten pairs so I have every colour.
Key to happiness(for me at least) can be to just simplify as much as possible. I know I like coke the best so why fill my fridge with every soda. Giving stuff away also helps (as others have mentioned) I know I'll pretty much never buy Nike's again because years ago I have some guy a massive jersey bag full of dunks, prods, Omar's etc and now can't bring myself to spend real money on stuff like that again.[close]
I think this is where I fall on the “gear madness” spectrum. I’m not really trying to tinker around with different sized boards, or switching truck brands, or wheel durometers. The pandemic shortage just made me into a skate hoarder. I liked skating 8.12 eagles, so I had to get every single one I could find because there weren’t as many available. That mentality has continued since things returned to normal for skate production. I now like to have enough backups in case what I like is harder to find or isn’t being made anymore. My setup doesn’t change that drastically
When I buy shaped boards it’s not to find some new edge that’s missing in my skating. It’s because I think they look cool and can probably be fun to skate. There’s a lot of cool looking shaped boards from a lot of cool companies. I had to stop myself from ordering anymore because there’s no way I could ever realistically skate every single one I want to. I overestimated how much and how hard I would skate a backup/“fun” board. I’m trying to limit what I get until I’ve skated through most of my collection. It might take a couple years
I’m in this category. I found what works well and stuck with it. I ended up breaking a board I loved so after i saw they weren’t offered in the next drop I ended up searching to find all I could. Ended up with 14 or so of the same deck and I’m almost through that stack now. Kind of wish I hadn’t hoarded them all since I got a few others after that that I want to ride but can’t until the stockpile is finished. The plus side is when I set up a new deck there’s no adjustment period.
Expand QuoteAfter few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again![close]
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again![close]
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though[close]
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The above hits way too hard.
I keep my packs of wheels nearby to remind myself that I have more than I will ever need.
My madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet
Expand QuoteMy madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet[close]
That's always how it starts....
Expand QuoteMy madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet[close]
That's always how it starts....
In 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.
Gifted Hater said in the truck vid with Ben Degros, that Indy's make you not think about ur trucks. And I do agree, except that they could be lighter, so I bought a pair of hollows! Now I should be free, hopefully :D
If it wasent for slap, I wouldent care about the Thunder baseplate thingy, but now that im aware of it, its like I stick on noseslides just for pure insanity... Either way... Its just so nice to just chill on nose/tails with Indy's, not to mention the buttery grind.
Expand QuoteIn 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.[close]
Bro…I’ve got decks that have the most heinous wheelbite marks: the bites of multiple different brands…and sizes, of trucks. Hideous. I skate alone and my face still shows the shame
Here's a thought: progress (and fun!) comes mostly by getting on the board and skating. Messing with equipment should be a supporting function, just to remove friction so that one can skate more. It's subjective where to draw the line, but typically squeaky trucks, soggy boards and slow bearings are worth the attention. As soon as you notice after a session that you didn't think about your gear once, freeze everything and keep that as is, as long as possible. If you don't, the madness will creep in.It will feel normal again in no time. Hold strong soldier.
Worst situation is when you replace something due to wearing out, and even it should be exactly same, it's not. This has happened and it's very irritating...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.[close]
Bro…I’ve got decks that have the most heinous wheelbite marks: the bites of multiple different brands…and sizes, of trucks. Hideous. I skate alone and my face still shows the shame[close]
I can't wait to notice this on someone's deck in person. Def gonna call them out, then sympathize.
I've pretty much settled on a preferred deck and trucks size (even though I still have a couple shaped boards to play with), but lately I've been obsessing over wheels. The right durometer to handle crusty ditches without feeling too slow on smooth concrete, the right size to avoid wheelbite as a flabby 40+ without running risers without being too small to roll over detritus, the right shape, etc.
I don't like the madness.
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I don't like the madness.[close]
What trucks are you on? how much do you weigh (dont have to answer)? how loose do you like your trucks? Are you more transition or street oriented? Or do you just cruise mainly?
Tried some 54mm 101 f4 classics after being on 56mm 99s for a while. I swapped to thunders and wanted a smaller harder wheel to help ease the baseplate issue. I'm really enjoying them, but i know they will be too hard for me at certain spots, and definitely during the winter. Am i about to have winter tires for my skateboard? i think so. Is this madness, or is this mastery? Who am i? What am i?
I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
For what it's worth I'm typically a Vans guy but I've found this to be true among a handful of brands. Got some Lakais, Nikes, Cons, Emericas and even non skate NBs that feel like this.
I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
AF1 55s, one thread showing, I weigh 210, mostly skate transition I guess? Ditches and bank spots, curbs here and there, skateparks when it's not triple digits. I suck though.
Rotating tires is good shit. If you can get your set up dialed and just rotate wheels for different terrain/ weather, why not? That's the level-of madness I aspire to limit myself to.
I'd get the hard Ace bushings if i was you, and some 56mm f4s with a wider contact patch (conical or radials). either 99 or 97a. if youre still wheelbiting, get the classic shape.
I've considered the hard bushings, but I like the stock ones. Probably gonna avoid 56mm wheels though, that a little bigger than I'd like. 52-54mm feels like the sweet spot.
Good call on Classics though, I don't know why I never considered that.
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I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
Ugh u right u right
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I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.[close]
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?[close]
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.[close]
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.[close]
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?[close]
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.[close]
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.[close]
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk[close]
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?[close]
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.[close]
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.[close]
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk[close]
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.[close]
Chiming in to say that I have been so so so intense about getting the ‘correct’ fitting shoe…and what I thought was correct, was not. Said it before, but I played several sports where tight shoes were encouraged, and did the same with skate shoes. No. Fucked my feet up. It takes some getting used to, but I HIGHLY recommend going to the larger size, if one is on the fence. I have a narrow heel, and then long creepy toes with a wider forefoot, and yeah, it’s dumb. A shoe that doesn’t slip in the heel, cramps the toes. What I’ve slowly figured out: let the heel slip, use a ‘joggers loop/lace’ make sure the toes have enough room.
Be well
Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
I don't sticker my decks anymore.
I built a deck with Indy and Bones and the corresponding stickers. Shortly thereafter I was on Thunder and Spitfire.
Never again will my board be besmirched with a logo of something that could change by next session.
Sticker if a deck before setup or adding one after it's been skated is bad luck.
I was thinking about it today and why I'd wanna try other trucks. It's basically memories of a good session or a few tricks that might have felt better than usual. I've been on my current trucks for 6 months other than a sesh with thunders once before giving them away. If done everything I can do on em and learned/improved so it's weird a fading memory would cause the madness to creep.
And here I am looking at some brand new Royals, when I still haven't really pinned down my own deck preferences. I've never really enjoyed any steep decks and do like some of the mellower BBS so I'm not sure what I'd gain by switching.
Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
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I was thinking about it today and why I'd wanna try other trucks. It's basically memories of a good session or a few tricks that might have felt better than usual. I've been on my current trucks for 6 months other than a sesh with thunders once before giving them away. If done everything I can do on em and learned/improved so it's weird a fading memory would cause the madness to creep.
And here I am looking at some brand new Royals, when I still haven't really pinned down my own deck preferences. I've never really enjoyed any steep decks and do like some of the mellower BBS so I'm not sure what I'd gain by switching.[close]
If you can't even make up a reason, I would probably just chill haha.
.....those royals have me curious too though lol.I hear the royals pop a little lighter and don't grind quite as nice so I'm not gonna be swapping the thunders anytime soon. Thunders/ventures made me realize how much i benefit from wide wb trucks. And the turn/grind is way better on thunders than ventures, so I'll just suck it up and deal with the thunder baseplate issues. I was an indy/ace guy for years, I'm skating much better and consistently on the thunders, wish I tried them sooner.
Expand QuoteAnyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.[close]
This is a real thing.
It's not a cure (barely even a treatment) but this is another reason why all my stuff now is pretty different. So I have a 7.75 and an 8.75 at the same time but I'm not swapping to a 7.8, 8 etc. I'm definatly the person who opens a can of coke halfway thru a cup of coffee tho so I'm hyper vigilant with my gear madness these days.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.[close]
This is a real thing.[close]
It’s the source of my madness and the only cure is more cowbell! Or just skating more.
Rather than "just skating," I was skate-testing gear so at some point in the future I could be "just skating" once I figured out what gear I really like the best.
Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.[close]
This is a real thing.[close]
It’s the source of my madness and the only cure is more cowbell! Or just skating more.
I didn't skate them too long but so far I wasn't stoked on the grind it's basically Venture quality but I've read they're fine after being broken in more and having the inner exposed. Way too loose stock have like 2 threads showing and pop feel is hella weird coming from Indy.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?[close]
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.[close]
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.[close]
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk[close]
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.[close]
Chiming in to say that I have been so so so intense about getting the ‘correct’ fitting shoe…and what I thought was correct, was not. Said it before, but I played several sports where tight shoes were encouraged, and did the same with skate shoes. No. Fucked my feet up. It takes some getting used to, but I HIGHLY recommend going to the larger size, if one is on the fence. I have a narrow heel, and then long creepy toes with a wider forefoot, and yeah, it’s dumb. A shoe that doesn’t slip in the heel, cramps the toes. What I’ve slowly figured out: let the heel slip, use a ‘joggers loop/lace’ make sure the toes have enough room.
Be well
I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.
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I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.[close]
just need to break them in a little more before skating and lace them tight. Doesnt look the best, but your feet will thank you.
Fun fact: this is actually what mid/high shoes are designed for (preventing heel slip, foot moving inside the shoe) ankle support is a myth. I too always wore shoes too small and have gone up to correct size and would suggest a mid/high shoe for people with heel slip type issues.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.[close]
just need to break them in a little more before skating and lace them tight. Doesnt look the best, but your feet will thank you.[close]
I had the same issues with wearing shoes smaller. I always thought it gave me more “control “. One day I just couldn’t take the feel of claustrophobic footwear anymore. I started off frustrated with the heel slip in proper size footwear and started tying them tighter and tighter. Once I got used to the bigger (correct) size shoes I started to loosen them up little by little. Now I can buy the correct size and tie them normally and as long as they are broken in I can skate them no problem.
I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit
Soooo update to my shoe crisis but I went to the park yesterday changing between some Sk8 Highs (tts) and some Blazer Lows (half a size big) and I just couldn't do the looser ones. They were more comfy but when I skated I felt like I was wearing clown shoes. My foot placement felt pretty off. My Sk8 Highs are still kinda narrow, but I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit and I ended up having a pretty good session. They're snug but they didn't hurt so maybe the moral of the story is that I should break in shoes before skating them?
I dunno, I kinda wish I could turn my brain off when it comes to this kinda stuff.
I think breaking in shoes before skating them is essential. I always use new shoes for walking and just wearing them generally doing all sorts of stuff other than skating. Once they’re broken in properly I might consider skating them if my current skate pair are done.
I usually have at least 5 pairs of broken in shoes available to skate cuz I rarely know what shoes i want to skate next.
I only skate one pair at a time though. Skate them until they are done and only after that move to the next pair. Changing shoes between sessions is the worst change you can do IMO.
Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.Only thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.
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lol, TRUST ME i've thought about this and spent $ on this
Had a couple of sessions on the Indy forged hollows. They dident cure my switch/nollie timing, like I was hoping it would. Both my indy's are made in China, but my raws felt like they grinded smoother, oddly enough. They use a stronger metal in the hollows hangar? Gotta look more into it
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Had a couple of sessions on the Indy forged hollows. They dident cure my switch/nollie timing, like I was hoping it would. Both my indy's are made in China, but my raws felt like they grinded smoother, oddly enough. They use a stronger metal in the hollows hangar? Gotta look more into itStick with them. Once you start getting some groves they go great. Once you’ve gotten into the axle, even better. My gripe with them is less material(duh, that’s part of why they weigh less) on the pivot area so nose/tail slides you need to be going really fast or wax where your wheels hit. Not a fan of waxing where wheels hit. I skate masonite after street sessions sometimes and don’t want to wax the mini.
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Only thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close]
Been on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.
Expand QuoteBeen on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.[close]
Going through this now. Been having so much fun on Indy’s but for whatever reason AF1s keep calling me but I know I’ll enjoy the turn but hate everything else. Debating buying some Indy forged hollows since they are around a similar height of aces but they are Indy’s. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’m really trying to not let it consume me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.[close]
Going through this now. Been having so much fun on Indy’s but for whatever reason AF1s keep calling me but I know I’ll enjoy the turn but hate everything else. Debating buying some Indy forged hollows since they are around a similar height of aces but they are Indy’s. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’m really trying to not let it consume me.[close]
This is the wrong thing to say on the gear madness thread, but I switched from some very thoroughly used up Independent 144s to some Ace AF-1 44s and it was a good and easy move. I am not nearly as sensitive to small changes as some skaters here, but to me the AF-1s skate just like an Indy, only with a slightly deeper and better carve, which I really enjoy. My flip tricks, slappy tricks, ledge tricks all more or less feel the same (or the difference is small enough that I didn't notice), and the cornering in pools and bowls is improved. They are also a gorgeous truck - in my opinion the best looking truck on the market. For me, all things being equal, I think I'll be making the move entirely to Ace as I continue to wear out my Indys.
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Wait what
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Wait what[close]
kind of a classic break in trick people do that I've never tried until now. Microwave them for about 30 seconds, walk around in them, maybe do it again. I dunno, it helped and now I'm really enjoying my shoes.
Only thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close]
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
Someone needs to check sponsored-skater privilege!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOnly thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close][close]
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo[close]
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit[close]
Wait what[close]
kind of a classic break in trick people do that I've never tried until now. Microwave them for about 30 seconds, walk around in them, maybe do it again. I dunno, it helped and now I'm really enjoying my shoes.[close]
I don't want my wife strangling me in my sleep for microwaving shoes, I'll stick to walking around the house in them for a few days TYVM.
I'm just trying to remind myself that no setup is gonna make me a cruisy transition ripper like this, I'm doomed to be a flatbar/flatground/ledge guy my whole life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1N8PEq_9g
I'm convinced theres a bonus in photo incentives in their contracts for newer gear. These companies want to convince us that fresh gear is the only way these guys are doing these moves.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOnly thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close][close]
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo[close]
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.
Expand QuoteI'm just trying to remind myself that no setup is gonna make me a cruisy transition ripper like this, I'm doomed to be a flatbar/flatground/ledge guy my whole life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1N8PEq_9g[close]
Not with that attitude
I'm convinced theres a bonus in photo incentives in their contracts for newer gear. These companies want to convince us that fresh gear is the only way these guys are doing these moves.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOnly thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close][close]
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo[close]
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.[close]
"+$200 for less than a ply of scrape
+$100 for no ollie holes
minus $50 for each millimeter of wheel worn away"
Vincent Alvarez must owe money every time he gets a photo
I love new shoes and a new board at the same time. I’ve also always loved the feeling of new grip. The grippier the better imo. I absolutely hate new shoes on an old board. It has never felt rightExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOnly thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close][close]
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
I love new shoes and a new board at the same time. I’ve also always loved the feeling of new grip. The grippier the better imo. I absolutely hate new shoes on an old board. It has never felt rightExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOnly thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.Expand QuoteBreaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.[close][close]
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo[close]
I'm on my 2nd Alltimers deck, which was the same dimensions as the last, but there is something off with it. Wacky pop, I ghost pop alot. It appears to be steeper, by a good margin. How you guys deal with this? I'm tempted to just get a new, instead of "re" learning shit, adapt to the steeper shape
Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.That's what I did. Now I enjoy skating.
That's what I did. Now I enjoy skating.Expand QuoteGuys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.[close]
Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
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I’m not a fan of the steep stuff, but you could try (as you might tried already), adjusting the popping foot placement. As an example, I often skate smaller setups, with ventures or thunders (relevant, tangentially, in that the axles are placed further out towards the tail, making a short tail or nose, shorter), and if I switch to say an ace, my normal popping foot placement of near the tail might not work as well. I try and adjust by moving my foot further down towards the bolts…I’m not nearly a ‘good enough’ skateboarder to have so many opinions, but sometimes that has helped me adjust.
Also, some boards will kind of ‘let go’ and start only wearing sweat pants/mellow out a bit, usually takes a little bit of time tho, few weeks. Leaving the board in the car can result in a mellowing. I haven’t done the whole car on top of the board deal, but I’ve definitely flipped them upside down and bounced in the middle a bit.
Good luck! Nuances like this are best solved by grabbing boards in person. That being said, I can get fairly uncomfortable picking out a deck, in person, and just grab something and bolt, only to later find out that the wb is totally different or whatever.
Yeah I get what you're saying. I really like venture as a company and they work really well for certain things but I feel like I skate better on indys. And as far as shoes I really love halfcabs but I have noticed when I skate in Jordan 1s my kickflips are the best they've ever been.Expand QuoteThat's what I did. Now I enjoy skating.Expand QuoteGuys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.[close][close]
I have the opposite issue (I try to skate Indys, to have a more ‘do it all setup’, but prefer, by a long ways, skating venture lo’s/or thunder 147s), but yes, go with what flows.
I’ve been trying to not skate Nikes, and yet, when I wear them, shit goes better. Annoying tbh. Skating my last pair of dunks rn, and yeah, they feel/skate great. From an aesthetic perspective I drastically prefer Last Resorts, and Nike is not tight as far as corporations go, but the kickflips and lack of foot pain…annnnyways.
I'm on my 2nd Alltimers deck, which was the same dimensions as the last, but there is something off with it. Wacky pop, I ghost pop alot. It appears to be steeper, by a good margin. How you guys deal with this? I'm tempted to just get a new, instead of "re" learning shit, adapt to the steeper shape
I had a legit gear madness nightmare last night. In my dream I set up a new board with giant wheels and giant risers. My board must have been sitting at about knee height. It seemed like an amazing idea and I wanted it to work so badly but pushing was so exhausting I had a full meltdown. Harsh.
Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
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I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.
I feel gear madness more closely resembles a Sorry board game. New stage of Indy? Sorry! New manufacturing overseas? Sorry!Expand QuoteGuys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.[close]
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Congratulations, you've reached Acceptance. Enjoy it before the next bout of Gear Madness hits and sends you down the spiral of Denial (that it's our gear that is lacking, not our skills).
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I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.[close]
I rode Indy’s my whole life, then rode Ace for about 5 years. I’m back on Indy’s now because they grind so much better and they don’t have any of the QC issues. I have Ace bushings in my Indy’s now and they turn well enough that I don’t miss Ace
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I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.[close]
I rode Indy’s my whole life, then rode Ace for about 5 years. I’m back on Indy’s now because they grind so much better and they don’t have any of the QC issues. I have Ace bushings in my Indy’s now and they turn well enough that I don’t miss Ace[close]
This. After going back and forth between Indy and ace. Almost buying ventures again. Thinking I could do thunders if I tired it with risers this time I have come to the fact and can fully admit. I just like Indy’s. I enjoyed aces and they are always a close second but I just can’t deal with the QC. Nothing feels as good as an Indy and every other truck I try, I try and make it feel like an Indy so why fight it.
Problem is in my head I absolutely love the stock bushings. Perfect amount of loose but I want to go buy the “soft red” and the “super soft white” Indy bushings to really Fuck it up.
Too bad the "old heads" rip circles around most people who care about trucks.
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No they don’t.
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No they don’t.
I feel gear madness more closely resembles a Sorry board game. New stage of Indy? Sorry! New manufacturing overseas? Sorry!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGuys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.[close]
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Congratulations, you've reached Acceptance. Enjoy it before the next bout of Gear Madness hits and sends you down the spiral of Denial (that it's our gear that is lacking, not our skills).[close]
Move your piece right back to the beginning
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If any of you has a feeling about what you ‘should ride’, I’m not saying you shouldn’t try all of the other things, but maybe keep track of the parameters on the ‘should setup’, could be useful when you get way out in the woods of drastically different sized truck/wheel combos and what not. 8<......>8 but I’ve essentially just decided to skate a setup based off of what has worked for me in the past
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If any of you has a feeling about what you ‘should ride’, I’m not saying you shouldn’t try all of the other things, but maybe keep track of the parameters on the ‘should setup’, could be useful when you get way out in the woods of drastically different sized truck/wheel combos and what not. 8<......>8 but I’ve essentially just decided to skate a setup based off of what has worked for me in the past[close]
I've got a mental list of 'best setups' it's semi-useful, to a point...if they don't keep the same decks in the line-ups you're SOL. Two of my fav boards are no longer made (DLX 8.18 FULL SE and the 8.25x31.9x14.353 NHS); I miss that 8.18 =(
Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
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But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.[close]
Damn. That’s a steal. If you feel like selling some let me know.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSome guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.[close]
Damn. That’s a steal. If you feel like selling some let me know.[close]
It's three trucks for a total of $40 - not three sets of trucks. A set of trucks, and a lonely solo truck that is destined to sit in the garage unloved.
Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
Third Ti truck as a griptape file.
Or really flex on your friends by putting using the TI truck in unorthodox places - replace the handles of kitchen cabinets, use as a shifter knob in your car, an expensive hammer or wall mount a 2nd use to use as grips for chin ups.
I have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem
Man I wish concave didn't differ between decks in a press. DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
Expand QuoteDLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one[close]
1. III
2. II
3. IV
4. I
In that order.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one[close]
1. III
2. II
3. IV
4. I
In that order.[close]
Me riding thunders:
1. IV
2. III
3. II
4. I
Me after switching to ace lows:
1. I
2. II
3. III
4. IV
Just as the romans intended
I just picked up the three Ti 159s i mentioned.
I picked them up because I knew I had an Anti Hero Blue Meanie in the stack.
What I forgot is that I also have a Polar 1992, and a Schmitt Joe Lopes that would take them if I used wide wheels.
But no..... I don't have a problem. Why do you ask?
Ah shit I tried out a friends setup (FA 8.25 with Indy Hollows w/ Cast plates) - 2 components I would not have considered riding especially the tall / heavy Indys. Solid pop, stick to your feet kind of setup you instantly connect with.
Shit's got my mind wondering.
FUCK!!
I’m riding forged hollow 149s on an Anti Hero rn but I want to try forged hollow 144s that I just bought… would it be crazy if I just swapped the hangers? That would definitely work right?
Dropped off a stack of old boards and wheel at the skatepark, mailed those Royal trucks (thanks @LebowskisRug) to my friend back home to skate until they crack, sorted all my old bearings into the metal recycling, and didn't buy a single thing over the 4th of July sales.
Expand QuoteAh shit I tried out a friends setup (FA 8.25 with Indy Hollows w/ Cast plates) - 2 components I would not have considered riding especially the tall / heavy Indys. Solid pop, stick to your feet kind of setup you instantly connect with.
Shit's got my mind wondering.
FUCK!![close]
If you had those or something similar in stock, you could do some "product testing research" otherwise a single skate / session on something different might just be a curious interest.
Others I know preferred the hollow forged varieties coming from or swapping back and forth between Thunder and Venture, but that might have made things even more weird now.
Have another session on your own board before making any other decisions.
I know that's the smart thing to do, should have skated his setup for more than just 2 ollies to see if the novelty wore off. Doesn't help that I have some 8.5s on hand which got me thinking of sizing up but I don't want to get into a brand new ecosystem of 8.5" trucks.
Doesn't help that I can't pinpoint what caused me to like his setup. The height + weight of Indys? The steep FA kicks? 54mm Bones Wheels?
Sounds like maybe it was just a good graphic….
Expand QuoteI have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem[close]
what size shoe do you wear?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem[close]
what size shoe do you wear?[close]
8.5
My feets is tini
Man I wish concave didn't differ between decks in a press. DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
i cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.
Expand Quotei cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.[close]
I’m the opposite , give me that square ass full shape ! Nollie Noseslide and nollie crooks work so well , I love that nollie and switch pop it gives off as well
Skated Alien Workshop and Habitat decks growing up which definitely had those square shapes from PSstix and I’ve really enjoyed FA 8-8.18” , Quasi / GX / WKND 8.125” quasi’s was a little bit more mellow it felt like .
PSstix GX 8.25” is a crazy type of tapered shape , where the front truck is 8.125” , the back truck 8” , and in between is 8.25 , really squared off shape too , im intrigued to try it but will stick with the 8.125”
i cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.
The only madness that has taken a hold of me is shoe madness. I've never found a pair that I could stick with.
The only madness that has taken a hold of me is shoe madness. I've never found a pair that I could stick with.
Boards I’m not mad at all. I like trying all sorts of stuff, from polarizers to 9-inch popsicles to SCRAMs to downhill boards so.
But my madness is pants. How baggy they are, how they hand, how they taper, how the look when I push, I hate how much I’m invested in it. Especially from 2000-2020 when it hard for me to find baggier stuff.
Now I’m happy with Polar 93s, 36-inch. They are pretty much ideal.
But maybe the best skate pant I ever had was a pair of Emerica brushed denim cargoes, called the ‘burnside’.
Burly yet soft and plush. And the perfect cut.
I notice that when I skate Indy's, my boards tail & nose doesnt have a as centered wear. As in I pop with the board not level. Anyone else noticed this? I guess its bcuz im not a long time indy skater, and not used to them 100% yet
welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
Decks I've ridden that fit that:
Quasi has some 8.5 with a 14.5 WB.
Creatures 8.6 decks (usually pro models like Russell, Martinez, Lockwood, etc.) are 8.6 with a 14.6 WB
AH18 BA was an 8.38 with a 14.6WB
Creature / Santa Cruz have their 8.375x32 shape that has full nose/tail and a 14.5 wheelbase, as well as an 8.3x32.2 with a 14.5 wheelbase. Settle for the least offensive graphic - because you aren't going to get a good one.
So no Thunders because of the grind? Damn.
I admittedly am not into the idea of Thunders, and I’ve been all over these threads praising Indys, but a couple weeks ago I found myself browsing the internet purchasing some 8.75” Thunder Team Hollows because I figured they might be advantageous for slappys, crooks, and 5-0s because of the pinch. I’ve yet to set them up though and just had a great session on Indys today. We shall see…
It’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.
Expand QuoteIt’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.[close]
lol its a "support" thread, we need to provide solace and serenity to those in times of madness. however that may be.
Back on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.
So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
Expand QuoteSo I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?[close]
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.
Is this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.The only thing I’ve bought is a 917 hoodie for my son as a surprise for his upcoming birthday.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month
Is this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month
Expand QuoteIs this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month[close]
I bought ibuprofin.
Back on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.
My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
Expand QuoteBack on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.[close]
Was that on the big egg?
I am all for 56mm wheels on some boards - usually transition or lazy day boards, but definitely not on every board, with 50 to 52 being more common on street or curb setups nowdays.
If you mix and match that will often be ok, but if you don't really skate much else, then it is a bit of a weird one, as you said.
My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
Expand QuoteSo I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?[close]
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?[close]
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.[close]
If you want narrow and slim, the Ishod will be perfect
My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
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I have Ti axles with cast plates. I originally had the forged plates and got some cast ones later. It's basically the same weight as a hollow but doesn't have that weird hollow axle sound. I don't think it's much if any lighter feeling than a standard, which is on my other board.Naw I feel like that’s normal behavior for this thread. I ran into a friend while I was grabbing lunch and went on for 10 min about the difference in Allen hardware between brands. That’s a sickness.
Right now I'm in full madness. I've got 2 different setups where the only variable is the deck:
DLX 8.25: feels more consistent and snappy and my flip tricks are better, but it's not as stable for lots of other things. Oddly my tailslides and slappies feel a bit more outta control.
DLX 8.38: basically the opposite of above. It's great but flip tricks feel a bit rocket or kinda just flop over.
Now this is the true madness- skated 3 times for 2hrs each. Once at the park, once at the slappy spot, once in front of my house. Still no decision, but this is peak kook behavior.
Naw I feel like that’s normal behavior for this thread. I ran into a friend while I was grabbing lunch and went on for 10 min about the difference in Allen hardware between brands. That’s a sickness.Expand QuoteI have Ti axles with cast plates. I originally had the forged plates and got some cast ones later. It's basically the same weight as a hollow but doesn't have that weird hollow axle sound. I don't think it's much if any lighter feeling than a standard, which is on my other board.
Right now I'm in full madness. I've got 2 different setups where the only variable is the deck:
DLX 8.25: feels more consistent and snappy and my flip tricks are better, but it's not as stable for lots of other things. Oddly my tailslides and slappies feel a bit more outta control.
DLX 8.38: basically the opposite of above. It's great but flip tricks feel a bit rocket or kinda just flop over.
Now this is the true madness- skated 3 times for 2hrs each. Once at the park, once at the slappy spot, once in front of my house. Still no decision, but this is peak kook behavior.[close]
My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.[close]
lol its a "support" thread, we need to provide solace and serenity to those in times of madness. however that may be.[close]
Yeah, I kind of just made this so I (and others) could vent about their gear neuroses without derailing other threads too much.
Just going to report back that I've been very into my "normal sized" popsicle. I like that if anything happens to it, I can walk into any skate shop and get another one and don't have to be all, "Yo, I need 5 in case they stop making them". Also very into the Ventures (5.6 hollows) I've been skating. There was no negative impact on my slappy/no comply game moving away from a big boy with Indy or Ace.
Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
We'll finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
Expand QuoteWe'll finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?[close]
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.
In 20+ years I've already ridden almost everything. I did it the other way when I started with the 7.75 coming down from a 9. (Or maybe an 8.8 can't remember the actual last board). Got a bunch of 8.5ish boards but they spark no joyExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?[close]
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.[close]
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?
It's refreshing to even have a bad day skating and not think about the gear one bit.
why not go for a 9 football and get a happy medium of sorts? heroin has so many good shapes that aren’t too crazy you could toy around with. the comfort of a big board with the nimble factors with a smaller board. just an idea! Hope you find a good wider board that works for you!In 20+ years I've already ridden almost everything. I did it the other way when I started with the 7.75 coming down from a 9. (Or maybe an 8.8 can't remember the actual last board). Got a bunch of 8.5ish boards but they spark no joyExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?[close]
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.[close]
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?[close]
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
That's definatly the most logical idea but unfortunately when I get the madness it isn't based on any science or logic, I just get infected with an idea for something different . I did actually think about an egg (fuk maybe this was all brought on by looking thru the Huffer thread) and I have a board that's just under 9 with a really tapered nose but bigger square tail. I set it up quickly and rode down the street doing some nollies then backwards did some Ollies, shoves and 180s it didn't feel quite right but granted that's not the fairest comparison for an egg.why not go for a 9 football and get a happy medium of sorts? heroin has so many good shapes that aren’t too crazy you could toy around with. the comfort of a big board with the nimble factors with a smaller board. just an idea! Hope you find a good wider board that works for you!Expand QuoteIn 20+ years I've already ridden almost everything. I did it the other way when I started with the 7.75 coming down from a 9. (Or maybe an 8.8 can't remember the actual last board). Got a bunch of 8.5ish boards but they spark no joyExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?[close]
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.[close]
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?[close]
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)[close]
edit: also if you’re looking into the deluxe/AH camp they have the huffer or those grimple eggs!
In 20+ years I've already ridden almost everything. I did it the other way when I started with the 7.75 coming down from a 9. (Or maybe an 8.8 can't remember the actual last board). Got a bunch of 8.5ish boards but they spark no joy
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
Fuck a Christmas complete! I skated a completely new setup today due to madness and holy fuck did I hate it.
Went to the shop to get some new shoes yesterday and resisted the urge to buy new decks/trucks/wheels that I don’t need. Small steps to recovery, feels good 😂
I've had both on that size deck and like the 144's. It's 1/16"/side there is no way you can see that when you are riding and 8.25" trucks are still narrow. They're also barely any heavier and for most flip tricks (probably all) you won't notice.
I just want you guys to know, i have sold or given away all of the trucks i dont currently have setup on a skateboard. Except my beat up Lurpivs which i have on display on a shelf, im sure they will be a good skate artifact eventually.
You're right. I need to sell the 139s and stick with the 144s until I get this nonsense out of my head
Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
Expand QuoteCurrently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)[close]
Unless you are planning to set up some really wide wheels for the 139s, I would stick to the 144s. Just my personal opinion but I don't like the tippyness of 139s on 8.125 decks. I have it way too deep in my head, that tippy setups cause ankle tweaks and I prefer the axles to be aligned with the deck. So, 144s on 8 to 8.25 decks sound great.
Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?I went from 8.75 ish to 7.75 with Indy lows and mostly enjoyed for a couple years (only just kinda got over it) didn't skate much transition or hills or anything where you go too fast on it tho.
Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
Expand QuoteAnyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?[close]
I usually skate an 8.25 with thunder lights, but snapped a kingpin so used my backup setup for a couple months - 7.875" Magenta deck with 5.2 venture lows and 50mm wheels.
I enjoyed it as a vacation, but was glad to be back on the 8.25 to be honest, smaller boards are very chuckable, but almost too much so for me nowadays, easy to overflip tricks and slip off the board due to my big-ish feet. I enjoy skating small decks here and there but deffo feel like it's a quicker route to injury.
As for the Venture lows themselves, love them - i pretty much just skate flatground and ledges so they're perfect for rolling back and forth.
TL;DR - fun skinny setup is cool to have, but i couldn't use it as my sole board.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCurrently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)[close]
Unless you are planning to set up some really wide wheels for the 139s, I would stick to the 144s. Just my personal opinion but I don't like the tippyness of 139s on 8.125 decks. I have it way too deep in my head, that tippy setups cause ankle tweaks and I prefer the axles to be aligned with the deck. So, 144s on 8 to 8.25 decks sound great.[close]
Especially on a deck as full shaped as Quasi. Do you plan on going back to 8.25 after the 8.125? If so the 144 is the move. Only having to adjust to one variable at a time can help with madness and if you’re going back up after this keeping the same set of trucks can maintain familiarity with your setup. Don’t overthink it.
I recently tried solving the last bit of truck madness. I've been switching between Indy 149 titaniums and Ace AF1 55's on my 8.5 deck. I love how the Aces turn and I love riding around on them, but tricks are more difficult with their weight. I used one of my friends belt sander to make a set of Ace bushings the same size as the Indy ones. I haven't skated them yet, but I hope this will get a little bit of the Ace feeling into the lightweight Indy trucks :)
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
I skate the best on Thunder standards and would skate nothing else if not for the baseplate, I find them perfectly manageable but as soon as I hop on someone else's setup I remember what a totally loose and thoughtless tailslide feels like.
Wouldn't bother me if they weren't one of my favourite tricks to do unfortunately.
Because of this I have been swapping between Thunder, Indy, Ace and Royal almost every skate recently, its never been this bad before.
If I could decide on one truck my madness would pretty much be cured, over the past few years I have nailed down my ideal setup aside from trucks. I know that I could probably stick to Indy standards as a sort of "true neutral" truck but the Thunder itch will always be in the back of my mind.
Is there anyone that makes an 8-8.125” squared off full shape similar to FA with a 14” WB that is on BBS wood? Really looking for that fat nose
Can’t skate ps stix anymore and would really like to keep skating this shape without giving all my money to FA
Is there anyone that makes an 8-8.125” squared off full shape similar to FA with a 14” WB that is on BBS wood? Really looking for that fat noseI got a FA 8.18 , 14 Inch wheelbase.
Can’t skate ps stix anymore and would really like to keep skating this shape without giving all my money to FA
This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Expand QuoteThis is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...[close]
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:
This is silly but I'm actually embarrassed to take my stuff to NC. Revealing myself as a hoarder in a shop setting is very hard to do haha. I wish House park or Mueller had a skate gear drop off sort of how I see those neighborhood libraries pop up in Austin. I can keep something like that pretty stocked for at least a few weeks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...[close]
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:[close]
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk
This is silly but I'm actually embarrassed to take my stuff to NC. Revealing myself as a hoarder in a shop setting is very hard to do haha.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...[close]
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:[close]
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk[close]
Just say you asked around and some more people donatedExpand QuoteThis is silly but I'm actually embarrassed to take my stuff to NC. Revealing myself as a hoarder in a shop setting is very hard to do haha.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...[close]
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:[close]
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk[close][close]
No this is why I haven't dropped anything off lol
I skate the best on Thunder standards and would skate nothing else if not for the baseplate, I find them perfectly manageable but as soon as I hop on someone else's setup I remember what a totally loose and thoughtless tailslide feels like.
Wouldn't bother me if they weren't one of my favourite tricks to do unfortunately.
Because of this I have been swapping between Thunder, Indy, Ace and Royal almost every skate recently, its never been this bad before.
If I could decide on one truck my madness would pretty much be cured, over the past few years I have nailed down my ideal setup aside from trucks. I know that I could probably stick to Indy standards as a sort of "true neutral" truck but the Thunder itch will always be in the back of my mind.
My lord that makes me look sane. There's simply no way you could go through that in a year if you rode a new deck every 2 weeks. It's not like anything in that pile is a really unique release.
My madness had been quiet for awhile. It returned this week. For an unknown reason (oh, I know why....madness) I decided to (re)try two pieces of equipment (Thunder Team Hollows and a 14.25 wb deck...I ride Indy Forged Hollows and a 14.38 wb deck) that I've had before, more than once, and didn't like each time. So, on an intellectual level, I already knew what the result was going to be. But you know, sometimes the madness will make you think that if you try the same thing over and over again, there will be a different result. Well, surprise surprise, there wasn't. Within 10 min of skating these two things I knew the madness had bested me, again. I quickly took them apart, and put my regular set-up back together. Some kid at the park will soon be getting new trucks and a new deck--the madness does benefit some.
A good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.
Displaying your stash of gear can work but you have to only do it every now and then for maximum shock value. Leave it out too long and get used to it and you will just think its normal. Basically how hoarding works.Expand QuoteA good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.[close]
This is the key. That’s the main reason I took all those photos of my stuff.
Also please everyone don’t use my madness as a justification for your own (lesser) madness. It’s good to hear you guys are doing better but it can still be a burden and get out of hand quick.
I have a mate who has hundreds of shoes and decks and whatever so I’d say he’s more mad than I am but I will not tell myself that what I’m doing is ok cuz he’s much worse cuz I definitely have a problem.
Something I’ve realized lately is that if I don’t like a deck after giving it a fair chance, I can leave it at the park for someone else to enjoy and it really is a win-win situation. This has been mentioned many times in this thread also as an ailment for the madness. While it’s not a cure and can even make things worse if you use it for justification for getting more stuff, I feel it kinda puts things into perspective and letting go of your hoarded stuff can be quite liberating.
I’m now trying to skate through the stuff I have and not buy anything new unless I need it. I’m trying to focus on spending my money on home improvement stuff instead.
Expand QuoteA good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.[close]
This is the key. That’s the main reason I took all those photos of my stuff.
Displaying your stash of gear can work but you have to only do it every now and then for maximum shock value. Leave it out too long and get used to it and you will just think its normal. Basically how hoarding works.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.[close][close]
So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbase
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbaseDon't think .125 is enough to really make a difference. Do 8 inch boards usually have nose and tail all that much bigger than a 7.875? My guess is probably also too small a difference to really matter that much.
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbase
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
Ive just never ridden a 14 inch wheelbase or ventures in the big bowl.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MADNESS THREAD!!
Trigger warning: Madness inducing
And sorry for double postExpand QuoteMadness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."[close]
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
Trigger warning: Madness inducing
And sorry for double postExpand QuoteMadness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."[close]
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
Expand QuoteIve just never ridden a 14 inch wheelbase or ventures in the big bowl.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MADNESS THREAD!![close]
This is the "try to keep pals from indulging in madness" thread
Expand QuoteTrigger warning: Madness inducing
And sorry for double postExpand QuoteMadness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."[close]
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks[close]
so true
Expand QuoteHeads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..[close]
For sure!
The amped up production of most woodshops post lockdown issues exceeded demand and now many shops are sitting on way too much of everything, but especially decks, given some graphics don't age well (even though the wood is still fine) and so many are on clearance at even lower prices than almost any other bargains and deals I have seen, not to mention some shops just trying to clear stock to be able to pay rent.
I have had to stop buying entirely now, cause there were just too many good deals and there is only so much I could use, before it starts to get to the point of needing to do some clearing out myself.
At least I can pick and choose what I do want to keep now and move some of the other things I am less likely to ever use or ride.
Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
Expand QuoteNot sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks[close]
Just checked my closet and it seems all my standard 874s are made in Honduras and all my 874 Flexes are made in Nicaragua.
Not sure if this belongs here but...The ones I have from pre Covid times were all Honduran made(from Dickies site). I just ordered 5 pair 2 weeks ago(again from Dickies site) and they are all made in Mexico. The legs are anywhere from 1/2” - 1” longer than the Honduran made and vary within all the ones I got. I washed one pair so if I hate the length they’ll become shorts and the rest are going back.
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
It is not uncommon for different markets to be manufactured in different countries due to various trade agreements, customs fees, and shipping costs. Issues in QC generally come when that work is outsourced or done in a contracted factory, but lots of big companies have the same equipment in their facilities.
The ones I have from pre Covid times were all Honduran made(from Dickies site). I just ordered 5 pair 2 weeks ago(again from Dickies site) and they are all made in Mexico. The legs are anywhere from 1/2” - 1” longer than the Honduran made and vary within all the ones I got. I washed one pair so if I hate the length they’ll become shorts and the rest are going back.Expand QuoteNot sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks[close]
Sucks. I loved the standard 874s but looks like I might be going to Bens again.
Anyone else notice the lengthening in the Mexico made?
Expand QuoteTrigger warning: Madness inducing
And sorry for double postExpand QuoteMadness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."[close]
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks[close]
This.
Goddamn.
Buying shit to skate it for 10 minutes and then declaring that it doesn’t work? Holy fuck. Extra crispy.
Expand QuoteThe ones I have from pre Covid times were all Honduran made(from Dickies site). I just ordered 5 pair 2 weeks ago(again from Dickies site) and they are all made in Mexico. The legs are anywhere from 1/2” - 1” longer than the Honduran made and vary within all the ones I got. I washed one pair so if I hate the length they’ll become shorts and the rest are going back.Expand QuoteNot sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks[close]
Sucks. I loved the standard 874s but looks like I might be going to Bens again.
Anyone else notice the lengthening in the Mexico made?[close]
Oh damn that's strange. I wonder how they'll hold up to the original ones. Hopefully they're just the same but made in a different factory like the guy above you said.
Expand QuoteIt is not uncommon for different markets to be manufactured in different countries due to various trade agreements, customs fees, and shipping costs. Issues in QC generally come when that work is outsourced or done in a contracted factory, but lots of big companies have the same equipment in their facilities.[close]
Oh damn okay that actually makes a ton of sense. Thanks for the help. Kinda put me at ease knowing that.
I buy them in bulk as well since I can’t stand the Cintas work pants(besides it saves me $ on uniform services since I only get their shirts). The material seems to be the same, although I haven’t gotten to wearing the Mexico made yet. It looks like they just screwed the sizing in length up. I wear 28L and these are closer to a 30L. I can’t stand having the heels of my pants dragging. So I get a certain size for that reason. 20+ years and the length was consistent(for mine at least) and now they’re way long and varied lengths at that.
Put 2-3 extra washers inside and try it out.
Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Expand QuoteRegripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.[close]
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
I actually managed to retain myself today. I had the idea to give my Ace AF1 55’s another try, but I stuk to my Indy 149 Titaniums. I was glad I did so, I felt like I was getting more used to the setup and I really appreciated the light weight :) The turn of the Aces is nice, but my tricks just feel easier and more controlled on the Indies.
So in other words, as I already know, and as most people already know, it does actually help to stick to a certain setup… It’s a miracle.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRegripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.[close]
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4[close]
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRegripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.[close]
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4[close]
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use[close]
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight
My thought is that it’s going to be more difficult to adjust to a different truck than it is a wheelbase difference of a fraction of an inch.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRegripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.[close]
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4[close]
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use[close]
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight[close]
Gonna need a link to that one.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRegripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.[close]
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4[close]
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use[close]
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight[close]
Gonna need a link to that one.[close]
https://www.harborfreight.com/sanding-belt-cleaner-30766.html
was curious just how big it was & found this
(https://wac.edgecastcdn.net/001A39/prod/media/t7kuhATX6jW2ChSsite/9600134C286A92556D3E9F44F96155AB.app1_1579299691797_1_L1800.jpeg)
I'm about to set up my Polar deck, which in true Polar fashion, have completely wrong wheelbase measurement. Its suppose to be 14.125", but its more like 14.4". Therefore i'm tempted to slap indy's on, instead of using my trusty thunders. Thoughts?Which deck? And are you for sure measuring correctly?
Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
Expand QuoteHeads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..[close]
I stockpiled. Element just had a big sale, $35 boards, all bbs wood, not hyped on the graphics but that with the spend $150 get $50 off I went a little bit nuts blew a paycheck on 20 boards. Of course now that means I have to skate these boards knowing all of them have this stubby 6.45” Flat-ish tail. Time to put my thunders back in the rotation I suppose.
Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
All 8.25s except I did get one Madars deck deck that’s an 8.38 which is pointier than what I prefer but it’s gonna be cool to try. I know 6.45 isn’t crazy short, but they have a lot of flat beyond the bolts almost the same as the 8.25 toy machines I had that makes me feel like it’s shorter in my head. I got used to the 6.8” rounder tail on the girl G052 boards I skated before this so it definitely is taking some adjustment.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHeads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..[close]
I stockpiled. Element just had a big sale, $35 boards, all bbs wood, not hyped on the graphics but that with the spend $150 get $50 off I went a little bit nuts blew a paycheck on 20 boards. Of course now that means I have to skate these boards knowing all of them have this stubby 6.45” Flat-ish tail. Time to put my thunders back in the rotation I suppose.[close]
It's a funny one!
People I know turn their noses up at those kind of sales, but I would rather get a board with good wood and bad graphic for cheap than pay excessive amounts for the same wood, but the spend / save ratio is a lot higher for me in that regard.
I can always paint or blank the board and it still skates the same as any other and I get three boards for the same price as just one of the better boards, so in that regard I am not worried about anything else.
What size did you get with that short of a tail? Most I see are at least 6.5 and up, but I do ride the bigger boards too, usually 8.38s and 8.5s.
Okay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.
What about one of those rubber mat things you out on a desk so you don't accidentally cut into the wood? I've got a bunch of carpet tiles that have rubber backing and have thought about cutting one into insoles before I think the rubber would be pretty similar to what's under the sponge in non skate line vans. In Aus there's a shop called Clarke rubber that has a million types of rubber and plastic sheets etc I'm sure there must be versions of this in every country where you could find something.Expand QuoteOkay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.[close]
Superfeet and lots of other companies make stiff heel supports that are designed for low volume shoes. They fit under your heel and arch. If you want full length you can try the Sole orthotics that have a plastic base under the foam.
What about one of those rubber mat things you out on a desk so you don't accidentally cut into the wood? I've got a bunch of carpet tiles that have rubber backing and have thought about cutting one into insoles before I think the rubber would be pretty similar to what's under the sponge in non skate line vans. In Aus there's a shop called Clarke rubber that has a million types of rubber and plastic sheets etc I'm sure there must be versions of this in every country where you could find something.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOkay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.[close]
Superfeet and lots of other companies make stiff heel supports that are designed for low volume shoes. They fit under your heel and arch. If you want full length you can try the Sole orthotics that have a plastic base under the foam.[close]
I've been in the same boat switching between Indy's and Thunder's every time there is a hair across my ass.
As of recently I've removed the bottom washer on my forged plate thunders and I couldn't be happier, feels like I'm bridging the gap a bit. I don't know if I'm still honeymooning but so far it's the change I've been looking for.
My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
Expand QuoteMy madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol[close]
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
I’ve been here before. Here’s what I did. Put the larger wheels on the lighter trucks and mount them with risers on one board. Put the heavier trucks with the smaller wheels on another board. Now they’re both roughly the same. Then you can grab a setup based off the terrain you’re riding in reference to the wheels and after a few curb sessions with the heavier trucks they won’t feel so heavy. Set it and forget it.
I've gotten a new madness... My mind has come to the conclusion that 8.25 trucks suck. Its a "newer" size, so it cant be good.
Run what ‘ya brung.
Hahaha... Sounds like me.
The indy's felt all around good but madness came in for the mids specifically the forged hollow mids and something about them just feels right....
Much lower than I used to skate but no ghost pop and I can still ollie as high without extra effort.
Something just works.....
Expand QuoteMy madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol[close]
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol[close]
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.[close]
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.
All truck sizes are completely arbitrary. The newest models have the freshest molds and will presumably feature the least variance between individual trucks of the same size. Run what ‘ya brung.
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
Yeah, those are the ones I mentioned, in Europe they’re mostly listed as “Hollow Standard”, with hollow kingpin and axel, and cast base, but to get the TI Hangers I’ll have to get a set of Forged TI as well. I don’t feel like you’re supporting my madness at all. 1,5mm higher truck with lower weight than the forged hollows is really appealing.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol[close]
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.[close]
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.[close]
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day[close]
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
Oh yeah, I’m all set with risers. Got this big bag of carpenters spacers in 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5mm, and can cut/drill them to fit. I’m still getting wheelbite even though I’m using 3mm risers on forged hollows with 57mm wheels. I’m 275 pounds, so I can pretty much squash any bushings by relaxing my ankles. Wheels have already started to eat into the quad-x ply of my creature Russell VX.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.[close]
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.[close]
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)
Oh yeah, I’m all set with risers. Got this big bag of carpenters spacers in 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5mm, and can cut/drill them to fit. I’m still getting wheelbite even though I’m using 3mm risers on forged hollows with 57mm wheels. I’m 275 pounds, so I can pretty much squash any bushings by relaxing my ankles. Wheels have already started to eat into the quad-x ply of my creature Russell VX.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.[close]
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.[close]
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)
Expand QuoteYeah, those are the ones I mentioned, in Europe they’re mostly listed as “Hollow Standard”, with hollow kingpin and axel, and cast base, but to get the TI Hangers I’ll have to get a set of Forged TI as well. I don’t feel like you’re supporting my madness at all. 1,5mm higher truck with lower weight than the forged hollows is really appealing.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol[close]
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.[close]
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.[close]
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day[close]
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.[close]
its for your own good
Check my second picture, it’s them damn 96a yellow super hard Indy aftermarket bushings. They’re ever more squirrely than the Bones. Ideally I’d get 100a, or just learn to love “loose” trucks.Expand QuoteOh yeah, I’m all set with risers. Got this big bag of carpenters spacers in 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5mm, and can cut/drill them to fit. I’m still getting wheelbite even though I’m using 3mm risers on forged hollows with 57mm wheels. I’m 275 pounds, so I can pretty much squash any bushings by relaxing my ankles. Wheels have already started to eat into the quad-x ply of my creature Russell VX.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.[close]
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.[close]
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)[close]
could try the hardest indy aftermarkets that are 96a i think? but they are also barrel instead of cone shape like bones so you might have less issue with the bite
Ya dude you're in a fucking parallel universe of madness that most of us can't really fathom and we're just trying to pull you back to standard galaxy Earth.
Honestly at your weight I would stick with hollow axles. They are stronger as the inside is hardened as well. Ti axles are not strong, I'm 163lbs and have bent an Indy ti axle and I absolutely do not get gnar. I'd get the yellow bushings if I were you as well the 100A ones and I would recommend maybe some more standard sized wheels for less wheelbite. Otherwise you're going to end up with a 55mm truck with 5mm of risers and shit will be all fucked. You will pop and by the time your tail hits the ground a normal board would have already completed the trick.
Expand QuoteOh yeah, I’m all set with risers. Got this big bag of carpenters spacers in 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5mm, and can cut/drill them to fit. I’m still getting wheelbite even though I’m using 3mm risers on forged hollows with 57mm wheels. I’m 275 pounds, so I can pretty much squash any bushings by relaxing my ankles. Wheels have already started to eat into the quad-x ply of my creature Russell VX.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.[close]
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.[close]
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)[close]
Just out of curiosity, are you getting tossed from wheel bite? Or just seeing rub marks?
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.[close]
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
@Creachteach pretty sure someone said this already, but change out your conical bushings for barrels(try barrels top and bottom) that will severely limit your turn since barrels suck at diving into turns.
Cheapest easiest way. Even if you bought 2 sets to get 4 barrels you’d be out around $10 instead of $50+ for new trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol[close]
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.[close]
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.[close]
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day
Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Expand QuoteCan't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.[close]
Forged plates? Ignore what anyone else says about Ventures and just try them yourself.
Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
LMAOExpand QuoteCan't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.[close]
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
Expand QuoteCan't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.[close]
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.[close]
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.[close]
Made me laugh, thanks.
Anything special about breaking in ventures? Leave everything stock? Immediate switch to flat top and bottom washer? Pretty hyped for this experiment now, gonna have them at the end of the week. I don't feel ready to post in the venture thread yet, I might never be.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteCan't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.[close]
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.[close]
Made me laugh, thanks.
Anything special about breaking in ventures? Leave everything stock? Immediate switch to flat top and bottom washer? Pretty hyped for this experiment now, gonna have them at the end of the week. I don't feel ready to post in the venture thread yet, I might never be.[close]
honestly, leave it stock (not tightness, tweak to your liking) at least for a little to see what it's like by default and then tweak from there
Ben Degros has some cajones going on YouTube and documenting his madness. Recently claiming he could feel his trucks getting lower as he tightened his kingpin. I tested this with thunders and old bushings and the amount the truck actually moves is tenths of a MM unless the bushing blows. Then saying "ya they're not as durable but I also tried to obliterate them".
Just ride what ur feeling Ben, no need to justify to us who have the bug- we get it. It never leaves.
They're fucking rocks. Even the 94 are pretty stiff. It's like going from Indy orange to yellow. I don't get how much he's cranking. Dudes like Jake Hayes and Chris Cole crank hard bushings and seem to not end up in weird situations.
Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Expand QuoteUgh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.[close]
Almost the same situation for me. I've been riding 8.25 for the last 5 months. Recently I've skated a mini vert ramp and rode my 8.6 again. Afterwards madness creeped in and I tried several different setups. From venture to ace to Indy to thunder then back to venture... It got to the point that I have to get used to a different setup almost every session and nothing felt right.
I couldn't take it anymore, so I disassembled every setup(except rain/cruiser setup), grabbed myself a medium steep 8.38 with 14.5wb and put some ventures with 56 f4 radial fulls on it. I can see it's slightly hot rodding but I don't want to measure if it's 5.8 or 6.1
I hope I'm done with madness
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteUgh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.[close]
Almost the same situation for me. I've been riding 8.25 for the last 5 months. Recently I've skated a mini vert ramp and rode my 8.6 again. Afterwards madness creeped in and I tried several different setups. From venture to ace to Indy to thunder then back to venture... It got to the point that I have to get used to a different setup almost every session and nothing felt right.
I couldn't take it anymore, so I disassembled every setup(except rain/cruiser setup), grabbed myself a medium steep 8.38 with 14.5wb and put some ventures with 56 f4 radial fulls on it. I can see it's slightly hot rodding but I don't want to measure if it's 5.8 or 6.1
I hope I'm done with madness[close]
Sadly, I don't think most of us are ever truly "done."
...we just go through periods of remission...
Truck madness is creeping back a little….
Im on Thunder 148 team hollows at the moment but i’m thinking of sizing up to 149 standards for a bit more grind space. Mainly skate 8.25/ 8.375 with the occasional 8.5 thrown in if im feeling saucy. Always 14.25 wb but would maybe like to increase this slightly to accomodate long legs.
Is there much difference in weight between those two trucks feeling wise? Aware its only like 30 grams or something but also aware it can feel more on a lever, especially with the increase in wb of Thunders
Thanks @LebowskisRug & @IpathCats, lots of food for thought to mull over. No doubt i will be back here soon 😂
Dont blame you, sounds like a trip!
Ive been very fortunate with bushings, had the same stock whites that came in the 148’s from new and although each side is stripped from the top washer they feel great
Im 6ft but pretty skinny and light , (like 10 1/2 stone) so dont know if that plays any part in it. Ride them..medium i’d say. I mean, i can turn relatively easily without having to tic tac. It has been on my mind what i’d do if they blow before the hangers axle. Dont wanna enter the vortex of shaving/sanding down cones
Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
Expand QuoteMight have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes[close]
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMight have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes[close]
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.[close]
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMight have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes[close]
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.[close]
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMight have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes[close]
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.[close]
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool[close]
Nice! haven't seen this.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMight have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes[close]
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.[close]
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool[close]
Nice! haven't seen this.[close]
A re-threading nut seems kinda bad? If you have a tool thats got a deeper "pipe", it will just be really annoying, vs a skate tool with re-threader
I think I need to sell my other trucks and just commit to Independent.
Got a set of 5.6 V-Hollows, 5.2 Hi, and 5.5 Maglites (w/ Mag baseplates) sitting around.
Keep my Ti 144 & 149. Have hollow and mid 149s too for mellow or steep boards.
I'm too old and shit at skating to try and mess with my setup. Takes too long to get used to other stuff and not worth the dicking around when I've got a finite amount of time to skate.
Expand QuoteUgh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.[close]
Or: middle ground 8.5 setup?
Is it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide
Expand QuoteIs it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide[close]
Just keep an eye on the coning and shape of the wheels and rotate as needed, same as any other board, only those ones might cone a bit more quickly on the one side, compared to on other trucks with straight axles.
As long as you do that, any wheel will still last the same amount of time, as you are wearing out the inside edges more than the outside if they are really bent but still skateable.
Whatever wheels you currently have might be better than buying second rate cheap wheels that may not perform as expected or get flatspots before you are done with them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide[close]
Just keep an eye on the coning and shape of the wheels and rotate as needed, same as any other board, only those ones might cone a bit more quickly on the one side, compared to on other trucks with straight axles.
As long as you do that, any wheel will still last the same amount of time, as you are wearing out the inside edges more than the outside if they are really bent but still skateable.
Whatever wheels you currently have might be better than buying second rate cheap wheels that may not perform as expected or get flatspots before you are done with them.[close]
Sounds good to me. Thanks for saving me from wheel madness...for now.
I think in order to not get mad about it, I'd have to rotate the wheels at fixed points in time. Like after every 10th session or 10h on the board or something, so they stay more or less the same all the time.
Calipers also help with madness, cheap to buy and you can check the current size of any wheel at any given time.
I like to have one wheel with the graphic out.
why not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?
Expand Quotewhy not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?[close]
threw on a set of indys and they just don’t feel right
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhy not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?[close]
threw on a set of indys and they just don’t feel right[close]
Then it’s probably not the trucks fault.
Expand QuoteI like to have one wheel with the graphic out.[close]
I back it, kinda cool. At least until the graphics wear off
truck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s
Expand Quotetruck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s[close]
I tried 55 AF1s on the P2. Hated it. Ghost popping like crazy. Same with 44 Classics. Changed to mag plates on the classics and it became manageable. Why, I have no idea. Wb isn’t long, tail isn’t short or steep but so it went. I love Aces and only skate them these days but some decks just don’t work with them for some reason.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotetruck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s[close]
I tried 55 AF1s on the P2. Hated it. Ghost popping like crazy. Same with 44 Classics. Changed to mag plates on the classics and it became manageable. Why, I have no idea. Wb isn’t long, tail isn’t short or steep but so it went. I love Aces and only skate them these days but some decks just don’t work with them for some reason.[close]
I stopped skating ace, for now. When I can no longer pop, I’ll go back to ace. I hope to roll around and skate for transportation in my 50s-60s.
I tried a lot of different setups with the classics, and the only one that had good pop for me was a 14”wb (g027 I think) 44 classics, and 56 conical fulls. I don’t prefer to be that high up, but if I went to riding big wheels ace would work.
Af1s I didn’t spend a lot of time on, turn was good for sure, but again with the pop: I’d rather skate thunders or ventures, the pop angles/leverage/feel/whatever are just so much better for me with those.
Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
Expand QuoteBlack Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong![close]
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBlack Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong![close]
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.[close]
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season
why not just go back to...trucks...you like instead of forcing these?
Expand Quotewhy not just go back to...trucks...you like instead of forcing these?[close]
Deep knowledge here. That said, if it was just that easy, none of us would have the afflictions.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBlack Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong![close]
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.[close]
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season[close]
Godspeed soldier.
As someone who is in a remission stage of madness currently I'd like to share some things that help me. If you've already tried something and swapped off it, remember why. Don't think about the good attributes, just the bad. I still have moments where i want my indys to have a thunder pop feel/manual point, but i just remind myself that the sacrifices in grind/wheelbite and differences in turn just do not suit me or my wheel preferences. Which is another point, if you have a part of your setup that you KNOW is right, dont change it, and use that part to help determine your other components. Eventually that will lead to a setup that justifies itself by preserving a known good and making the rest work around that KNOWN good. Another thing that helps is stretching/warmups/consistency. If you stretch and warm up a bit before skating and make sure to skate regularly it will definitely result in having less of that "my board feels wrong/foreign to me" feeling. Try to understand when you and your legs are/are not warmed up, and dont blame your board when you actually shouldve just stretched more and eased into the session slower.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBlack Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong![close]
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.[close]
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season[close]
Godspeed soldier.
As someone who is in a remission stage of madness currently I'd like to share some things that help me. If you've already tried something and swapped off it, remember why. Don't think about the good attributes, just the bad. I still have moments where i want my indys to have a thunder pop feel/manual point, but i just remind myself that the sacrifices in grind/wheelbite and differences in turn just do not suit me or my wheel preferences. Which is another point, if you have a part of your setup that you KNOW is right, dont change it, and use that part to help determine your other components. Eventually that will lead to a setup that justifies itself by preserving a known good and making the rest work around that KNOWN good. Another thing that helps is stretching/warmups/consistency. If you stretch and warm up a bit before skating and make sure to skate regularly it will definitely result in having less of that "my board feels wrong/foreign to me" feeling. Try to understand when you and your legs are/are not warmed up, and dont blame your board when you actually shouldve just stretched more and eased into the session slower.[close]
Good idea. I personally find that Thunders grind close enough to Indy's that it doesn't matter and I can hold pinched grinds further so it's a wash. Slides are different, but work. Wheelbite I have less of, but when I do I can't ride it out. I can see wanting bigger wheels somewhat limiting although seeing Jake Anderson on 54-56s with risers seems to work.
For me what I miss about Indys is the carve out of sketchy landings (the little wobble you get) and not stepping off, and the manual point. It is lighter, but for me way less sketchy for nose manuals. I've never actually hit my nose and gone overboard on a nose manual on Indys. But that's on me.
I love me a nice warm up nose manual. I ride 52-53 so pushing the upper end of Thunder Standards.
Lately I've debated the "stick to what you're out" with "try something similar out and learn it, be patient, you might find something new you might like more".
I ride 52-53 so pushing the upper end of Thunder Standards.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI like to have one wheel with the graphic out.[close]
I back it, kinda cool. At least until the graphics wear off[close]
I liked when Spitfire did the 3 wheels in 1 color and 1 wheel in a different color (3 grey + 1 orange), that would be the only circumstance colored wheels get a pass
Venture vs thunder can’t decideI always tried to like thunder but I can't stand the way they turn. It feels like stable->adequate turn->no turn->bushings collapse ->sudden wheelbite.
Pros and cons
Venture vs thunder can’t decide
Pros and cons
I just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit
I have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.You know skate madness is real when you "guess" a new life brought into the world is more important than trying skate gear ;D
I have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.
Someone grab a sick pair of kicks you don’t need on a deep discount for me.
Good buddy got me a Tired, Para deck as a congrats gift. Totally unexpected. Great shape but will be a wall hanger out of respect…or is that disrespectful? Still on the fence about walk hangers.Expand QuoteI have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.
Someone grab a sick pair of kicks you don’t need on a deep discount for me.[close]
Parenting is a thankless job, got to reward dad once in a while for helping to raise a young child.
With a deck (or 5). And trucks. And wheels. And bushings.
Venture vs thunder can’t decide
Pros and cons
Expand QuoteI just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit[close]
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit[close]
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm[close]
440's are thin, I like them for that, but I swap the insole immediately. Less durable than 1010, but still great. Easy to find on sale. The heel on the 1010 is thick, but well-padded and tons of support. Forefoot isn't thin, but has some flex and board feel. Lots of people also like the Tyshawn and the Puig.
KSL I was not a fan enough of to keep. They have much more foam in the sole and to ME felt too thick. I don't want cushy foam. I want thin, dense foam.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit[close]
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm[close]
440's are thin, I like them for that, but I swap the insole immediately. Less durable than 1010, but still great. Easy to find on sale. The heel on the 1010 is thick, but well-padded and tons of support. Forefoot isn't thin, but has some flex and board feel. Lots of people also like the Tyshawn and the Puig.
KSL I was not a fan enough of to keep. They have much more foam in the sole and to ME felt too thick. I don't want cushy foam. I want thin, dense foam.[close]
Thanks for the replies guys, the 440s and the KSLs are in my sights and I am planning to pull the trigger if I find these on sale, also interested in the sb bruin reacts. One thing about nike though is that they tend to discontinue models after a couple of years which can be annoying if you have found something you like.
Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale. Also I don’t live in a city with a good skate shop. So I fear that I’ll break something then have to wait for replacements.
And shoes—why are size 13 always sold out?
Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale.
I can see prices going up. I know Welcome’s boards are $75 on their site and basically $70 at most online shops. That’s so tough to swallow. Luckily I’m fully stocked 😂Expand QuoteYeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale.[close]
That's the thing - watch this thread for five minutes and there will be another 15-20% off sale, or another "buy two decks for $80 with grip and free shipping and a 25% off coupon code!" At this point, I only buy extra decks because A) I go through them quickly, B) this last batch of Covid-era decks are deeply discounted, C) once those decks are sold though, I expect a lot more of the industry will be adopting the FA-style higher price point.
I can see prices going up. I know Welcome’s boards are $75 on their site and basically $70 at most online shops. That’s so tough to swallow. Luckily I’m fully stocked 😂Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale.[close]
That's the thing - watch this thread for five minutes and there will be another 15-20% off sale, or another "buy two decks for $80 with grip and free shipping and a 25% off coupon code!" At this point, I only buy extra decks because A) I go through them quickly, B) this last batch of Covid-era decks are deeply discounted, C) once those decks are sold though, I expect a lot more of the industry will be adopting the FA-style higher price point.[close]
Expand QuoteMate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?[close]
I like that setup with Thunders. The kicks are smaller and not very full so it skates a lot more nimble and floppy than the dims suggest. I find it easier to skate than some smaller decks. Don't dismiss it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?[close]
I like that setup with Thunders. The kicks are smaller and not very full so it skates a lot more nimble and floppy than the dims suggest. I find it easier to skate than some smaller decks. Don't dismiss it.[close]
Thanks dude, im gonna try it with thunders. You and @IpathCats have sold me on it! Going to try and get some more 148 team hollows for Christmas. They seem to work for me
I was toying with the idea of 149’s for a long while but at this stage i think it could be another variable of confusion/madness haha
The shape of the deck looks great though, stoked to try it. I always put 2 speedrings on the inside and 1 out as i hate seeing exposed thread on the axle (and also no messing around with the nut if i change wheels/bearings), so that gives me a bit of extra space as you know
I was toying with the idea of 149’s for a long while but at this stage i think it could be another variable of confusion/madness haha
The shape of the deck looks great though, stoked to try it. I always put 2 speedrings on the inside and 1 out as i hate seeing exposed thread on the axle (and also no messing around with the nut if i change wheels/bearings), so that gives me a bit of extra space as you know
My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
Expand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse[close]
welp that backfired lolExpand Quote
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.[close]
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse[close]
welp that backfired lolExpand Quote
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.[close]
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.[close]
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse[close]
welp that backfired lolExpand Quote
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.[close]
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.[close]
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.[close]
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice
Yes they make fewer of them but very often I'll check something the minute it comes out or gets restocked and 13s are the only size unavailable often they'll even have 14,15,16 and tiny sizes. My fun conspiracy is they're scared of the number 13. For a while size 4 was also always unavailable which is the unlucky number for some cultures too.Expand QuoteYeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale. Also I don’t live in a city with a good skate shop. So I fear that I’ll break something then have to wait for replacements.
And shoes—why are size 13 always sold out?[close]
They make fewer of them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse[close]
welp that backfired lolExpand Quote
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.[close]
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.[close]
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.[close]
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice[close]
Yeh after my second time out on them the spat the side out
All good I cut them down to 55mm at work...
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse[close]
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
Wondering if I should size down my trucks, it recently snowed here so I'm starting to dabble in the madness a bit. I've been skating indy 159s on 8.5s exclusively for the last year, and I'm wondering if its worth it to give 149s a go. 159s have been chill and haven't given me any issues, especially since I'm pretty new but I think I'm ready to experiment. If I try 149s what will I notice? I'm expecting they'll turn a bit quicker but I'm not sure what else.
It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
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Yes. Whatever you do, don’t get Krux. They’re terrible and not in a fun way.
It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board[close]
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.[close]
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse[close]
welp that backfired lolExpand Quote
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.[close]
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.[close]
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.[close]
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice[close]
Yeh after my second time out on them the spat the side out
All good I cut them down to 55mm at work...
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Damn! Were you sliding them hard or something?
It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?(https://i.ibb.co/t2ZPbdR/EAB4-FD90-2249-4-B11-8641-1-D6-E4507-FB7-D.gif) (https://imgbb.com/)
Riding Krux is the equivalent of the clown meme(https://i.ibb.co/t2ZPbdR/EAB4-FD90-2249-4-B11-8641-1-D6-E4507-FB7-D.gif) (https://imgbb.com/)Expand QuoteIt would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?[close]
Riding Krux is the equivalent of the clown memeExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/t2ZPbdR/EAB4-FD90-2249-4-B11-8641-1-D6-E4507-FB7-D.gif) (https://imgbb.com/)Expand QuoteIt would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?[close][close]
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Expand QuoteRiding Krux is the equivalent of the clown memeExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/t2ZPbdR/EAB4-FD90-2249-4-B11-8641-1-D6-E4507-FB7-D.gif) (https://imgbb.com/)Expand QuoteIt would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?[close][close]
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I’m so intrigued by what the grind would feel like on them. They look so… strange
They seem like they’d be nice and rattle-y though if you rode them loose. Despite not turning well
It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Madness is going to a sesh and being happy with your trucks and setup and then watching videos and being like "wait no one rides this" and then thinking you're the one that needs to change.
Expand QuoteIt would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?[close]
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?[close]
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.[close]
Now that Slappy Trucks have entered the chat I don’t know if I have room for Krux in my future. Crisis averted.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?[close]
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.[close]
Now that Slappy Trucks have entered the chat I don’t know if I have room for Krux in my future. Crisis averted.[close]
Oh god, you just can't help yourself can you? haha
Watch Ryan push and carve. You can see his board wiggle but he keeps going in the same direction. That shows you about how much Krux turn vs how much input you put into them.
I'm curious, what's wrong with krux?
So you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?
Expand QuoteSo you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?[close]
Definitely not, I've wanted to actually try the K5 for awhile out of curiosity but krux have been a joke in my friend group for a long time too. Plus if I don't like them I'll just donate them to a kid in need and go back to Thunders
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?[close]
Definitely not, I've wanted to actually try the K5 for awhile out of curiosity but krux have been a joke in my friend group for a long time too. Plus if I don't like them I'll just donate them to a kid in need and go back to Thunders[close]
Putting them in the presence of children is considered a hate crime in some states
Yah maybe the k5 is different I think Ben Degros did a vid and said they were ok, but the k4 I think was sort of designed in the same vein as a tensor or venture, just wide turning no give. They remind me of rail jockey trucks, stunting trucks…when you’re being pushed into the ground off a hubba, you don’t want to wheelbite or if you’re leaning the wrong way, you still want the make.
Some people love em, and I think they they are a good entry point truck, but yah if you’re skating aces and get one these things your reaction will be…these trucks don’t work.
Figured this might be as good a place as anywhere to ask for opinions.
For shoe hoarding, when do shoes become unsafe to wear? I have some 9 year old new in box vans that always got pushed down in the pile of unworn shoes.
I want to skate them but I’m worried the soles are just gonna crumble or fold like I’ve heard happen with old sneakers. Is that just a concern with EVA foam and rubber vulcs are good to go?
Figured this might be as good a place as anywhere to ask for opinions.I think vulcs are almost always fine there's an insta account called pillowheat where a guy specifically sells really old vans. Classic cupsoles usually good too but the rubber can go really hard/plasticy. This actually happened to some emerica vulcs I had but I had worn them a bunch then put them away. Either way I guess you could walk around in them for a bit first see how they are.
For shoe hoarding, when do shoes become unsafe to wear? I have some 9 year old new in box vans that always got pushed down in the pile of unworn shoes.
I want to skate them but I’m worried the soles are just gonna crumble or fold like I’ve heard happen with old sneakers. Is that just a concern with EVA foam and rubber vulcs are good to go?
I just bought two pizza boards for 38$. I have 14 boards inventory. I fear that this may be a problem. Normally I go through a board every two weeks. But I keep getting hurt, so my inventory is high. Normally I would skate them faster than I buy them. Plus I just got a raise.
AND we are not even into Black Friday yet. Is there a divorce thread because when my wife sees another box show up I’m going there next.
I just bought two pizza boards for 38$. I have 14 boards inventory. I fear that this may be a problem. Normally I go through a board every two weeks. But I keep getting hurt, so my inventory is high. Normally I would skate them faster than I buy them. Plus I just got a raise.
AND we are not even into Black Friday yet. Is there a divorce thread because when my wife sees another box show up I’m going there next.
Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
Expand QuoteDo forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?[close]
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?[close]
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.[close]
But how could I possibly be the problem. Ridiculous
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?[close]
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.[close]
But how could I possibly be the problem. Ridiculous[close]
It's blasphemy, you're not the problem! It's the weather, the ledge has no wax, something!!
Hello !try venture hollows and work on your technique
Let me explain,
I'm 5.7 Ft, I have short legs, and 8 for foot size
For some time, I've been trying to find the perfect setup, and every time I think I've found it, there's this fucking madness that comes back:
Deck : I wonder if I shouldn't go down to 7.9, because I've been skating 8.0 for about 6 years, and sometimes some flip tricks are difficult to throw, when I see Luan Oliveira or cody mcentire, I see that they are small and skate small boards.. but however, it seems to me that some pros who are small also ride 8.25 or more (If anyone can testify having met a pro for real, surprised at the size of board and its size)
Is the body size important to have a quality skateboard ? I skate a lot a lot flatground !
Trucks : I've been skating for 15 years, and in my early years, I was kickflip perfectly, and I had low trucks (Venture lows).
However, I lost the kickflip for 10 years now, and I noticed while watching my videos, that since I have high trucks, I very rarely successfully kickflip. (However, no harm with the flip switch..)
But I feel like I sometimes make a superhuman effort to jump for certain tricks!
I also wonder if stockings aren't better for someone short.. but as I said above, I think short skaters ride standard 55mm independents and do all their tricks very, very well. I think it's all in technique and timing.. unless height is really important? (I skate venture high standards)
Damn, what madness, it's funny to think that in our first years of skateboarding, we didn't think of all that!
What do you think ? In relation to what I told you, but also to have a general opinion and also in relation to your skating, I would like to know !
Thank you for your valuable response !
I'm pretty sure Luan skates Indy standards and his deck looks super flat in footage. Try getting a flatter deck before you change up everything else. My flip tricks feel way more consistent with flatter kicks.
I'm pretty sure Luan skates Indy standards and his deck looks super flat in footage. Try getting a flatter deck before you change up everything else. My flip tricks feel way more consistent with flatter kicks.
fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
Expand Quotefuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!![close]
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
Expand QuoteExpand Quotefuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!![close]
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover[close]
I'll take this over the girl who just FS Crooked Grinded the Hollywood 16
fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
Expand Quotefuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!![close]
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
I feel this 100%. Every time I put Ventures on a board, my pop game improves immensely and I am shocked by how snappy everything feels. But as an old, mostly point A to B and curb skater, the stiff turn and slower grind just do not compare to my Indys. I rationally know the latter is where I need to be, but that whiff of youth from the Ventures is so sweet and tempting.
How high is 5 boards? I had an entirely internal, mumbled, conversation with myself about clearing a tennis net (I’m well into my 40’s), went so far as going to a court with no board and decided I was being delusional. Gun to head I don’t think I could ollie 30”, after training.
Based off your comments earlier in the thread about powells being flat, I looked at some of their stuff, got confused and exited. Is there a shape concave guide im missing? I really like flat boards, but not sure it’s worth it.
It only really matters what width the top and bottom boards are. Since this is about madness/going overboard if the idea of a tennis net puts you off you could get a running hurdle. They're designed to fall over safely if the person doesn't clear them and are adjustable height. Kids ones prob go right down to 20 inches or somethingExpand QuoteHow high is 5 boards? I had an entirely internal, mumbled, conversation with myself about clearing a tennis net (I’m well into my 40’s), went so far as going to a court with no board and decided I was being delusional. Gun to head I don’t think I could ollie 30”, after training.[close]
Looking at that stack, it's mostly 8.38-8.5 boards, with one 8" in it. I just did a similar stack and measured it to be about 28.5", give or take a little. Tennis nets are 36" in the center. Pickleball are 34". I'm not doing either at this age.Expand QuoteBased off your comments earlier in the thread about powells being flat, I looked at some of their stuff, got confused and exited. Is there a shape concave guide im missing? I really like flat boards, but not sure it’s worth it.[close]
They have a flat nose/tail - 18 degrees. The DLX concave is often around 19. Steeper Enjoi/Almost are 21 tail with 24 nose.
The actual concave is more medium.
https://www.skateone.com/manufacturing Current popsicles 8.5" and under are using the K20 concave.
Powell is now doing their maple popsicles in China at the same factory as the Mini Logo. I honestly don't know if there is one bit of difference in the wood, and Mini Logo are 2 for $50 at skateone right now - with better graphics, because a blank deck is better looking than 95% of Powell graphics. Free shipping at $60.
I am currently on a Flight, which is nicer and US built.
Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?Not you.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotefuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!![close]
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover[close]
This was a year and a half ago at 48.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNv9LyDBjBi/
Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
Ok so I'm dumb. I basically have been buying the wrong size shoes for ten years. My toes were hurting the other day so I swapped shoes toe still hurt swapped again still fukn hurt which led me to trying on all like 30 pairs of shoes I have and only 4 pairs don't have my toes scrunched up as default.
What's so much dumber to this situation is I did the exact same thing in 2012 which led me to get rid of all the huge amount of shoes I had back then and start over thinking I'd figured it out lol.
I think because I just hated being a size 13 (or as it turns out a 14) so I'd just squeeze into size 11s and 12s so it looked more normal, especially in the Dylan fashion/gravis type shoe days. I also played soccer and did distance running too and both of those and skating I felt like I needed the shoes to be super tight to perform properly. In 2012 I had some spine issues took some time off skating, running, soccer and decided I'd walk like two hours everyday because it's the only exercise I could do and that's the first time it I was like fuck this I'm getting bigger shoes so went back to 13s which now I'm thinking at the time seemed like such an improvement I thought it was right.Expand QuoteDoes anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.[close]
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.Expand QuoteOk so I'm dumb. I basically have been buying the wrong size shoes for ten years. My toes were hurting the other day so I swapped shoes toe still hurt swapped again still fukn hurt which led me to trying on all like 30 pairs of shoes I have and only 4 pairs don't have my toes scrunched up as default.
What's so much dumber to this situation is I did the exact same thing in 2012 which led me to get rid of all the huge amount of shoes I had back then and start over thinking I'd figured it out lol.[close]
How did you get your shoe size wrong for so long?
Growing up I liked the Emerica Kirchart so much that I convinced myself I was a US 10.5 when I was a 9.5 / 10, probably led to unnecessary ankle injuries as a result.
Expand QuoteDoes anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.[close]
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.
Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
Unless you're buying really stiff/firm shoes the padding won't pack out much from just walking as it will skating. Skating can loosen up the sole and upper a bit and flex it in, but you can't break in the rubber where you flick or the rear foot padding.
What I prefer is wearing around and then for a few sessions I'll wear them a bit near the end and do lower impact token tricks and some flat. Maybe bring em to skate curbs a bit too. That way I kinda don't care if things feel off- I've already gotten in my good skating for the day and can relax and not freak out.
Wheels I'll put on an older setup for the last week if I'm going to skate the same other shit next. Maybe try to find a slightly less steep deck for my next, but I get used to wheels pretty fast.
Hey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.
Expand QuoteHey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.[close]
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.
Indy hollow cast baseplate with titanium hanger seems like the ultimate Indy hack. Standard 55mm height, lighter all around from the hollow kingpin and titanium hanger. Expensive and ridiculous, but might be amazing. All the turn, could run bigger wheels, and lightweight.
Also, I’m so tempted to get a setup with some hollow venture 5.2 Lo’s and an 8 board…. Just want to remember what low trucks used to feel like. That quick pop.
Also got stoked on watching some westgate footage. I think from his nine club interview he rides an 7.75-8.0 with venture hollow light lo’s.
So so tempted..
Indy hollow cast baseplate with titanium hanger seems like the ultimate Indy hack. Standard 55mm height, lighter all around from the hollow kingpin and titanium hanger. Expensive and ridiculous, but might be amazing. All the turn, could run bigger wheels, and lightweight.
the wheel gear madness still clings sometimes when I cant decide between conical fulls and classics and my size preference varies between 50mm to 56mm
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the wheel gear madness still clings sometimes when I cant decide between conical fulls and classics and my size preference varies between 50mm to 56mm[close]
For me the deck dictates the wheels. I run anything from 54 to 60 mm. I usually wear my wheels down to about 50 mm before I get rid of them so essentially I go from 50 to 60 mm I guess.
Anyway, some decks just work with smaller wheels much better and some much better with bigger wheels. I’m ok with this and can tell quite fast if something feels off wheel wise and then change wheels based on that. Having some options with wheels doesn’t have to mean that it’s madness.
Having typed all that up I just remembered that you said you run the same trucks and decks so everything I wrote is kinda useless as it’s a different case to yours altogether. So never mind or something. ;D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.[close]
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.[close]
New grip & new shoes are indeed the worst. I’ll do anything to avoid that. I break in new shoes by walking first also but I still consider them as new shoes for skating as that they are.
I just changed to new wheels in my old setup. Definitely an adjustment period there but not too bad. Some things are clearly better, some a bit worse. Ideally I’d like to change to new wheels with a new deck but that’s not always possible. New trucks I don’t care if I change anything else with them or not even though I thought I should to get the grooves right but mine are all over the place anyway so it doesn’t matter that much. Bearings, hardware, risers, rails are whatever. Change when needed and use old ones if they’re still in good order. I also usually regrip my boards at some point and that takes some adjustment also even though it’s overall clearly much better.
Small adjustment periods a bit more often is much better for me than changing all at once (ie. shoes & deck).
Expand QuoteHey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.[close]
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.[close]
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.[close]
I wouldn't get too attached to the Deedz deck since he is clearly not on Enjoi anymore
I never understood the "Koston redrills his trucks" thing, well now I get it. That's the first time I can see it clearly. Second slide, board on the right.
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
Hey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
Hey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close]
Are ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig coExpand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Are ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig coExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?[close]
Expand QuoteAre ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig coExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?[close][close]
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig coExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?[close][close]
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.[close]
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig coExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?[close][close]
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.[close]
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?
Expand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAre ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig coExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase[close]
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?[close][close]
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?[close][close]
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.[close]
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?[close]
Doesnt work like that, but i was thinking this at first too when we were discussing this a week or so ago. idk if it was this thread or another.
like @goodatmeth said position of the wheels to the edge of the baseplate doesnt change. only the position of the trucks on the board.
HELP!classics for sure grind better than the af1s but i didn’t find my pair massively sticky. ace seems to have pretty good customer service and if you have major issues with classics i’ve seen multiple people here get replacements. sometimes they even send af1s
I’m having an existential crisis trying to decide on my next set of trucks between Independent and Ace.
I’m on Independent now and nothing else grinds as well. I have Ace bushings in them and the turn is almost as good as Ace, but still not quite there. I also love how durable they are, no QC issues like Ace.
I always liked Ace classics, but I always wore them out prematurely (loose kingpins, wallowed out pivot cavity, off-center axles). I had a set of AF1s which were more durable, but I always felt that they had a sticky grind. I ended up giving them away because I didn’t like the way they grind.
I’m really missing the Ace turn/responsiveness and I hear a lot of people say that the AF1s grind really well. Am I crazy for thinking they don’t grind well? Are my expectations too high from riding Indy’s? The classics had a nice grind, but I don’t feel like dealing with all of the QC issues that come with them.
Should I just stick with Indy’s or give AF1s another chance?
Stick with Indy's. Maybe try different bushings.
Stick with Indy's. Maybe try different bushings.
Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
Expand QuoteJust get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.[close]
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.[close]
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks[close]
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.[close]
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks[close]
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.[close]
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks[close]
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.[close]
Tried to ride one of my local parks on the stock Indy bushings and it was terrible. It was in the low 40s today, so the bushings were rock hard and would not turn. I immediately ordered some Ace bushings when I got home. That should end the madness for now
My Madness has returned. I normally ride an 8.25 with 144s. The current episode of Madness has me fucking around with 149s instead of 144s. Somedays I love them. Some days I hate them.
Washers….
Expand QuoteWashers….[close]
I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWashers….[close]
I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.[close]
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
1 on the outside, 3 on the insideExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWashers….[close]
I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.[close]
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.[close]
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?
1 on the outside, 3 on the insideExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWashers….[close]
I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.[close]
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.[close]
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?[close]
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.
Expand Quote1 on the outside, 3 on the insideExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWashers….[close]
I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.[close]
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.[close]
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?[close]
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.[close]
I'm using one on the outside and 2-3 on the inside since some of the are different thicknesses. I also like a TINY bit of play in my wheel. feels weird to me then theyre properly snug to the washers, where they still spin freely but dont have any play.
EDIT: Some premium madness right here, ACE classic washer are the best imo since they are the thickest. I get the best fit when i use only those. IMNOTCRAZYYOURECRAZY
Expand QuoteExpand Quote1 on the outside, 3 on the insideExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWashers….[close]
I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.[close]
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.[close]
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?[close]
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.[close]
I'm using one on the outside and 2-3 on the inside since some of the are different thicknesses. I also like a TINY bit of play in my wheel. feels weird to me then theyre properly snug to the washers, where they still spin freely but dont have any play.
EDIT: Some premium madness right here, ACE classic washer are the best imo since they are the thickest. I get the best fit when i use only those. IMNOTCRAZYYOURECRAZY[close]
Are they thicker than the Quantum washers? I actually love how thick Quantum washers are given I’m riding 148 on 8.4
Been contemplating changing my whole set up.
I’ve been skating 8s with Thunder 147s for the past 3-4 years. I sized down from 8.25, which I skated for 15 or so years..
I’ve been skating a lot of big chunky DC cupsoles lately and I feel like they kinda dwarf the 8s
Been contemplating going back to 8.25 and getting back on some ventures. Maybe sizing down to 52- 53mm..
changing my entire set up gives me serious anxiety.
Been contemplating changing my whole set up.
I’ve been skating 8s with Thunder 147s for the past 3-4 years. I sized down from 8.25, which I skated for 15 or so years..
I’ve been skating a lot of big chunky DC cupsoles lately and I feel like they kinda dwarf the 8s
Been contemplating going back to 8.25 and getting back on some ventures. Maybe sizing down to 52- 53mm..
changing my entire set up gives me serious anxiety.
I hate all of you. I’m out skating right now, and I have just discovered “washers madness” for the first time. This never would have happened without your help. Currently running 3/1 on 8.25 with Indy forged 144s…and really liking it…halfway between 144/149s…
I came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)
Expand QuoteI came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)[close]
Let's just be thankful. If some irrelevant changes to your wooden toy are what you're worrying about, your life is hella easy
Expand QuoteI came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)[close]
Let's just be thankful. If some irrelevant changes to your wooden toy are what you're worrying about, your life is hella easy
The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?I got the twin tail slick twice and enjoyed it. 8.3 with a 14.38 or 14.4 wheelbase, if I remember the sticker correctly. They felt better to me with Thunder Hollow Lights compared to Venture Lights. Even though my preference is for FA/Hockey Shape #1 or Real SE boards, I’d get another one.
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
I got the twin tail slick twice and enjoyed it. 8.3 with a 14.38 or 14.4 wheelbase, if I remember the sticker correctly. They felt better to me with Thunder Hollow Lights compared to Venture Lights. Even though my preference is for FA/Hockey Shape #1 or Real SE boards, I’d get another one.Expand QuoteAnyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens[close]
Expand QuoteAnyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens[close]
Yes, I skate them a lot. Like 4 decks in a row at one point. I love them. If the length/WB was a little longer I would probably ride them exclusively.
Expand QuoteThe once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.[close]
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
I'm all in on the washer madness
If you normally run one washer on the inside and bump it up to three, you get about 3-4 extra mm of truck, which is about 1/8 of an inch. That legitimately lands you right in between truck sizes in most cases
this is all insane, but i love it
are 8.75 trucks harder to flip vs 8.5 trucks on the same size deck?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.[close]
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)[close]
I did 3 washers on the inside of an indy 144 with 52mm spitfires; a wheel did fall off during a flat ground trick. Went down to 2 where the axel is perfectly flush to the nut and had no issues since. A side effect of the washers is also that when the board hits on the side I don't mush up the axel threads.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens[close]
Yes, I skate them a lot. Like 4 decks in a row at one point. I love them. If the length/WB was a little longer I would probably ride them exclusively.[close]
Yeah I love Bobby (who doesn’t) and feel like skating another slick so I was thinking about picking one up. I wish they were a little longer but oh well, if it’s good enough for Bobby, I’m sure it will be good enough for 4-5 weeks of mediocre slappy crook and switch noseslide variations
I got a bag of axel nuts because I deserve them…..
And I land primo a lot…
The main thing with all the washer additions is having nuts that still have decent nyloc on them.
Expand QuoteThe once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.[close]
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.[close]
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)[close]
Did you try putting the nut with the nylock facing inside the hanger?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.[close]
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)[close]
Did you try putting the nut with the nylock facing inside the hanger?[close]
When I was still a grom, I did that. Guy at the skateshop was pissed when he saw that and to this day I don't know why. I never put on a nut with the nylock facing inside again. And that was 20 years ago ^^
Can someone please enlighten me, why we shouldn't do that? I imagine it might not be good for the hanger, but I honestly have no idea.
You're crossthreading the axle if you do that. Threads are directional. You got it on once but might never again.
You're crossthreading the axle if you do that. Threads are directional. You got it on once but might never again.
Ready to be wrong but instead of a snide remark just explain how it is. I just took my board, removed the axle nut, tried threading a standard nut on "upside down" and it doesn't engage at all let alone thread.
I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Expand QuoteI was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday![close]
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday![close]
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones[close]
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday![close]
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones[close]
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.[close]
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer
I'd go with the 54 X formula and while they might be big at first they're softer and seem to wear faster. After a month they'll be 53 and wider and fairly soon a 52
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday![close]
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones[close]
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.[close]
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer
Anyone else got 'Perfect Set-Up Syndrom' that makes you not to want to disassemble a set-up once the deck has reached the end of its natural tenure b/c after all the set-up was just, eh, a perfect combination of parts?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday![close]
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones[close]
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.[close]
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer[close]
The Bones in my Thunder with no washer on the bottom and the flat top work just fine. I also used the stock top washer as a bottom no issue either.
Really love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.
No, I have Krux bushings in them lol. I took the stock ones out cause they get stuck and my trucks would lean one way 😂Expand QuoteReally love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.[close]
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)
No, I have Krux bushings in them lol. I took the stock ones out cause they get stuck and my trucks would lean one way 😂Expand QuoteExpand QuoteReally love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.[close]
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)[close]
I’ll swap them out. I have the classics, got them from a skate shop here and I wouldn’t be surprised if they we’re sitting on their shelves for years (I’m in a small town and they never get business).Expand QuoteNo, I have Krux bushings in them lol. I took the stock ones out cause they get stuck and my trucks would lean one way 😂Expand QuoteExpand QuoteReally love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.[close]
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)[close][close]
The washers in the Ace Classics at least used to be shit. They’re too small. The bushings bulge over them and they don’t turn worth shit with them. I changed mine out for some normal washers always. Not sure if they’ve fixed that after the introduction of the AF1s. On AF1s the washers actually fit the bushings and work with the trucks.
I have the shoe madness more than any other kind of madness. If my feet are uncomfortable or get sore fast it makes everything suck. I wish dunks were easier to get. Seems like the perfect shoe for me.
Vulcs skate the best for me but my feet get so sore. I guess I need support more than I need heavy cushioning. Has anyone put Superfeet in a vulc and had favorable results?
I have the shoe madness more than any other kind of madness. If my feet are uncomfortable or get sore fast it makes everything suck. I wish dunks were easier to get. Seems like the perfect shoe for me.
Vulcs skate the best for me but my feet get so sore. I guess I need support more than I need heavy cushioning. Has anyone put Superfeet in a vulc and had favorable results?
Bought some sale decks with graphics I don’t really like. Now my new madness is, “I can’t skate these ugly ass graphics.”
The shape is all that should matter. But I don’t do boardslides or anything really to scratch up the bottoms of my decks, so I have to look at the graphics for like a month or two.
I just switched out a perfectly good Tactics deck cause I hated the graphic. It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
Yeah that’s what I plan on doing when I circle back to it lolExpand QuoteBought some sale decks with graphics I don’t really like. Now my new madness is, “I can’t skate these ugly ass graphics.”
The shape is all that should matter. But I don’t do boardslides or anything really to scratch up the bottoms of my decks, so I have to look at the graphics for like a month or two.
I just switched out a perfectly good Tactics deck cause I hated the graphic. It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔[close]
Stickers/spray paint
It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
I can see that. I do skate better when I’m stoked on my gear. I have a Real Mason Silva deck with this girl in a field waving to some spaceships that have seemingly left her behind and it always makes me smile.Expand QuoteIt’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔[close]
I don't think so, at all. When you look at your gear, it should stoke you out. It should make you happy. It should make you smile. If you look down, and you don't like what you see, it's absolutely going to have an impact on your mood/mental state, and that's going to carry over to your session.
Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Expand QuotePart of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭[close]
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePart of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭[close]
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.[close]
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
🙇🙇🙇😅Expand QuoteExpand QuotePart of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭[close]
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.[close]
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
🙇🙇🙇😅Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePart of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭[close]
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.[close]
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)[close]
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.
Expand Quote🙇🙇🙇😅Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePart of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭[close]
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.[close]
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)[close]
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.[close]
besides the bearing cover part, i have this as well man
but honestly not even that bad once you get used to it, i just think of it as knowing what you want and not settling for less
Expand QuoteExpand Quote🙇🙇🙇😅Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePart of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭[close]
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.[close]
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)[close]
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.[close]
besides the bearing cover part, i have this as well man
but honestly not even that bad once you get used to it, i just think of it as knowing what you want and not settling for less[close]
I got some Bronson g2s for cheap and they are an annoying bright orange. Bones reds never bothered me but this orange was too much. Luckily they felt sluggish to me and I just happened to be reading the bearings thread about bones Swiss so I ordered my first pair of Swiss after years riding bones reds and various other cheap bearings
Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
Expand QuoteBeen on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?[close]
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
Expand QuoteBeen on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?[close]
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?[close]
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?[close]
Pinch is always worse for me on bigger wheels. I don't see a point in going over 54. If I'm skating shitty terrain I would go wider first. Personally a wider wheel distributes vibrations and will carry speed better and give me a more consistent pop feel.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?[close]
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?[close]
currently the 8.3 dlx twin with a 14.4 wb. I go back and forth between that and the 8.38 dlx shape with the 14.5 wb
As to your actual question...hard call. Sounds like you've got both options running about the same height.The trade off then is mostly the benefits of wheel size variance, and the forged/cast feel. Which is a bigger factor? 56mm will certainly give you more speed, and a more noticeable lock-in on some grinds (I think that would be too much lock-in for me). Aren't 54mm a lot easier to find than 56mm these days, too? I would prolly go with the 56mm/forged option.
I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
Expand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
...while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
Expand Quote...while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.[close]
I fully support/endorse this. :)
I am all for finding what works, then when someone / somewhere has good discounts or sales, I know exactly what I want to stock up on, so I never run out of what I usually ride or need.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.[close]
When you think about how your foot meets the board in the air its rare that the whole bottom of your shoe immediately meets evenly across the board. Its usually a bit uneven. I feel like the 56mm/forged setup tends to bounce around more in the air when i catch my flip tricks since the weight is distributed around the edges more than the 54mm/cast setup.
But again, im just working off what i remembered the 54mm/cast setup to be like a couple decks ago. Should really setup both on the same shape decks and just take them both to the park and kickflip the euro for like an hour while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.[close]
When you think about how your foot meets the board in the air its rare that the whole bottom of your shoe immediately meets evenly across the board. Its usually a bit uneven. I feel like the 56mm/forged setup tends to bounce around more in the air when i catch my flip tricks since the weight is distributed around the edges more than the 54mm/cast setup.
But again, im just working off what i remembered the 54mm/cast setup to be like a couple decks ago. Should really setup both on the same shape decks and just take them both to the park and kickflip the euro for like an hour while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.[close]
Ben D= raw hanger forged plate…. Rodney= weighted base plates…..
Go figure….
I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
I feel like my issue is I always want to use the newest stuff first and my taste changes so fast. Like I already hate some of the graphics lol. Maybe we can open a skate shop one day 😀Expand QuoteJust stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.[close]
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.
I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
I feel like my issue is I always want to use the newest stuff first and my taste changes so fast. Like I already hate some of the graphics lol. Maybe we can open a skate shop one day 😀Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.[close]
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.[close]
I feel like my issue is I always want to use the newest stuff first and my taste changes so fast. Like I already hate some of the graphics lol. Maybe we can open a skate shop one day 😀Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.[close]
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.[close]
Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that you’re not alone in this and trying to focus on something else might be helpful. I’ve skated more and if I can’t skate but want to fill in the skating void in my life I’ve been watching videos more. Even trick tips and shit like that. I’ve realized that buying excess stuff doesn’t make me a better skater nor does it make me happy so I try to actively avoid it and replace it with something better. Instead of going to the skate shop if I have no need or browsing online, I now rather try to read a book, do some stretching, draw or whatever else I find pleasure in.Expand QuoteJust stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.[close]
Expand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.[close]
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.[close]
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.[close]
Dude. You swapped out two new things at the same time?!? Holy Hell. Bold move.
Okay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅
Haha, I figured most of y’all already had them. Maybe there’s still hope for me 🥹Expand QuoteOkay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅[close]
Uhm…you shouldn’t be posting in this thread it you don’t already have calipers…
Okay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅
help me for this madness..
I'm small ; 5,8 and do 8 feet size, and I don't have long legs. I skate a lot a lot of flat and some tricks that I used ten years ago, I can't do it anymore.
For spring, I want to buy myself a new board .. but so many doubts and questions:
Choice number 1: I stay with my current setup, That I often ride a lot, apart from my big gap period when I was in 8.125. which is an 8.0 board, with venture 5.2 high, 52 mm wheels, 31.5 in maximum length and wheelbase 14 (only on Ventures) Except that I replace the ventures raw with the V lights and hollow.
Choice number 2: Sometimes I think to myself that 8.0 is sometimes unstable and maybe I would have more confidence on the wider.. I would choose an 8.125, with the same, a length of 31.1 to 31.5, and thunder 147.. The wheels would not change (51/52), and I would also like to have a change in weight to help me with certain tricks.. The only thing that bothers me about the 147s and I have tried these trucks before is that they may be too light and spin too fast.. Tried them on 8.0, and sprained my ankle on a 360 flip that spun 540 with too fast pop.. That's why there is option 3:
Choice number 3: To be a little lower to help me on flats, because sometimes with Venture I have to jump very high, I would go for Thunder 148s with an 8.125 or even 8.25.. because many tell me wider board that helps to land better, without having a foot touching the ground, and that the choice in board is much more present.. The 148 are also a little higher than the 147 and much less a feeling of "tight trucks", I like the middle in tightness.. I would of course opt for a small board in length..
As I said, I do a lot of flats and sometimes small gaps, banks and a few manuals.. I very rarely grind and slide!
Maybe I overthink it, but this is madness as you can see haha Thanks for your help.. :-*
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.[close]
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.[close]
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.[close]
Dude. You swapped out two new things at the same time?!? Holy Hell. Bold move.[close]
Yea, not my smartest moment. Went back and forth on the two setups on the dlx 8.38. ended up chipping the FUCK out of the tail and cracking it shortly after..... Focused and went home haha.
Expand Quotehelp me for this madness..
I'm small ; 5,8 and do 8 feet size, and I don't have long legs. I skate a lot a lot of flat and some tricks that I used ten years ago, I can't do it anymore.
For spring, I want to buy myself a new board .. but so many doubts and questions:
Choice number 1: I stay with my current setup, That I often ride a lot, apart from my big gap period when I was in 8.125. which is an 8.0 board, with venture 5.2 high, 52 mm wheels, 31.5 in maximum length and wheelbase 14 (only on Ventures) Except that I replace the ventures raw with the V lights and hollow.
Choice number 2: Sometimes I think to myself that 8.0 is sometimes unstable and maybe I would have more confidence on the wider.. I would choose an 8.125, with the same, a length of 31.1 to 31.5, and thunder 147.. The wheels would not change (51/52), and I would also like to have a change in weight to help me with certain tricks.. The only thing that bothers me about the 147s and I have tried these trucks before is that they may be too light and spin too fast.. Tried them on 8.0, and sprained my ankle on a 360 flip that spun 540 with too fast pop.. That's why there is option 3:
Choice number 3: To be a little lower to help me on flats, because sometimes with Venture I have to jump very high, I would go for Thunder 148s with an 8.125 or even 8.25.. because many tell me wider board that helps to land better, without having a foot touching the ground, and that the choice in board is much more present.. The 148 are also a little higher than the 147 and much less a feeling of "tight trucks", I like the middle in tightness.. I would of course opt for a small board in length..
As I said, I do a lot of flats and sometimes small gaps, banks and a few manuals.. I very rarely grind and slide!
Maybe I overthink it, but this is madness as you can see haha Thanks for your help.. :-*[close]
If you are posting in this thread, there is only one obvious answer: set-up all three options. Rotate between them ever 3-5 min, to assure that you never skate one long enough to establish sufficient muscle memory to become consistent at anything. Then, blame your shoes, and get three different sets of those, to exacerbate the problem.
In all seriousness, set-up something the middle ground. Take note of what you like/don't like about it, and adjust as needed.
As we get older, lighter setups can help, but it does mess with muscle memory.
Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah I was gonna put it in my bag but after seeing the readings it’s going on the shelf lol. At my current rate it’ll take a couple of years for my wheels to get small.Expand QuoteDamn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️[close]
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
Yeah I was gonna put it in my bag but after seeing the readings it’s going on the shelf lol. At my current rate it’ll take a couple of years for my wheels to get small.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️[close]
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.[close]
Expand QuoteYeah I was gonna put it in my bag but after seeing the readings it’s going on the shelf lol. At my current rate it’ll take a couple of years for my wheels to get small.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️[close]
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.[close][close]
Keep in mind wheels aren’t always exactly as labeled. For example if they measure 53.6-54.4 they get labeled 54. If they measure 54.5 they may get labeled 54 or 55. Urethane cooling is not an exact science as humidity and temperature can affect how much they shrink as they cure. Just a little something else to add to the madness.
Expand QuoteDamn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️[close]
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymousThe perfect setup doesn’t exist and in my case, it is cause I have a deeper issue with myself. I think it’s cause I grew up dirt poor and now I have this hoarder, FOMO mentality, so I just buy shit and do my best to justify it. Now I think it is worth finding the right setup, but at a certain point you have to just go out and skate or do other things (looking forward to Ant-Man 3 tomorrow). This is supposed to be fun, and looking at gear all day isn’t fun, it stresses me out.
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
The perfect setup doesn’t exist and in my case, it is cause I have a deeper issue with myself. I think it’s cause I grew up dirt poor and now I have this hoarder, FOMO mentality, so I just buy shit and do my best to justify it. Now I think it is worth finding the right setup, but at a certain point you have to just go out and skate or do other things (looking forward to Ant-Man 3 tomorrow). This is supposed to be fun, and looking at gear all day isn’t fun, it stresses me out.
I’m practicing gratitude, basically just being thankful for the five setups I have and trying to make the most out of them. It might sound crazy, but I legit love some of these setups cause I built them and tweaked them to my needs. So I want to give them what they deserve—some good sessions that will ultimately destroy them 😈
So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
Expand QuoteFuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?[close]
I know many people are anti-shockpad, but the Ace 1/16" are rad. They don't add much height and they do make a difference when pushing around on rougher terrain. I'll take them over feeling like I need to ride something other than 99 F4s. They're also way cheaper than buying new wheels.
If you really don't want to do that, the 97 F4s are great for crust. I just like the 99s because of how they perform and I know I can get a set at any decent skate shop.
Expand QuoteSo, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"[close]
This is how the cycle begins lol
im still struggling with my cast/forged dilemma shit is annoying
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?[close]
I know many people are anti-shockpad, but the Ace 1/16" are rad. They don't add much height and they do make a difference when pushing around on rougher terrain. I'll take them over feeling like I need to ride something other than 99 F4s. They're also way cheaper than buying new wheels.
If you really don't want to do that, the 97 F4s are great for crust. I just like the 99s because of how they perform and I know I can get a set at any decent skate shop.[close]
I've been really leaning towards trying out some 97a's for my crust setup since the dragons drag so hard on grinds.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"[close]
This is how the cycle begins lol
im still struggling with my cast/forged dilemma shit is annoying[close]
I used to super care about the cast v. Forged. The vibrations. Couldn’t skate for awhile m, just being too occupied with bs, and now I suddenly don’t care. It’s weird. A significant part of this may be that I stoped trying to ride bigger boards. When I size up, I need everything to be just so, ish, otherwise it sucks, but if I just stick to an 8, doesn’t fucking matter: trucks, wheel sizes…for the most part sorts itself out
God I want some fucking ipath cats. Wore my wallabees yesterday, and if they were not such ankle breakers I would skate them.
Highly recommend them. Had no drag issues on my crooks. Only complaint is that they wore down way faster than the 99s.
The perfect setup doesn’t exist and in my case, it is cause I have a deeper issue with myself. I think it’s cause I grew up dirt poor and now I have this hoarder, FOMO mentality, so I just buy shit and do my best to justify it. Now I think it is worth finding the right setup, but at a certain point you have to just go out and skate or do other things (looking forward to Ant-Man 3 tomorrow). This is supposed to be fun, and looking at gear all day isn’t fun, it stresses me out.Expand QuoteFuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?[close]
I’m practicing gratitude, basically just being thankful for the five setups I have and trying to make the most out of them. It might sound crazy, but I legit love some of these setups cause I built them and tweaked them to my needs. So I want to give them what they deserve—some good sessions that will ultimately destroy them 😈
Genuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.
Slammed a few weeks ago and been staying off the board as it was my ribs and hand. Didn't want to risk bailing and making it hurt any worse. Started tinkering around in the parts bin. Can someone convince me not to put these ventures on since the ACE are working perfectly fine.stick with the Ace's my dude. the lighter pop feel will come in handy since you've been off the board for a while.
Yup. I keep trying these ACE 44s and they’re just so sketchy to me. I enjoy how they turn, cause they give me a little bit more control than Indys, but they’re weird. I have them super tight and they’re still too turny lol.Expand QuoteGenuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.[close]
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.
Yup. I keep trying these ACE 44s and they’re just so sketchy to me. I enjoy how they turn, cause they give me a little bit more control than Indys, but they’re weird. I have them super tight and they’re still too turny lol.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGenuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.[close]
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.[close]
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Got an Indy and Krux bushings in them cause the stock ones caused them to stick to one side. I’m 240lbs and feel like I’m too heavy for them.
I should get rid of these but it’s hard, I feel like I need to get my monies worth lol. Plus part of me hates that Indys are my favorite truck cause it’s so basic 😅
Alright fellow lunatics. I'm on the cast plates with ti hangers, found this recently and enjoyed it, it was literally just my madness creeping in that made me question it. still need to settle the 54 vs 56 mm classics. have even considered throwing a 54 or 52 radial back into the mix now that im shying away from the larger diameter classic.Yeah I’m going to try Venture. I actually like how they look more than the other trucks, so hopefully they work well for me. I have Indy, Thunder, Krux also, and the ACEs are the only ones I lowkey hate. Which sucks cause I know they’re great trucks. Just not for me I guess.
I'm thinking i liked the 56mm classic for so long because the larger diameter worked better for me on the forged plates and gave it a little more heft. making my overall height close to 54mm with cast plates.
I MIGHT try the hollow cast plates out at somepoint.
But i know that 55mm tall trucks with wheels around 54 is what i want.
I know @Sedition was asking me to report back, and I have def found that the heavier cast plate keeping the weight distribution towards the center gives me a feeling of more control. maybe im crazy, maybe its in my head, but it def feels better and like i have more control of my board in the airExpand QuoteYup. I keep trying these ACE 44s and they’re just so sketchy to me. I enjoy how they turn, cause they give me a little bit more control than Indys, but they’re weird. I have them super tight and they’re still too turny lol.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGenuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.[close]
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.[close]
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Got an Indy and Krux bushings in them cause the stock ones caused them to stick to one side. I’m 240lbs and feel like I’m too heavy for them.
I should get rid of these but it’s hard, I feel like I need to get my monies worth lol. Plus part of me hates that Indys are my favorite truck cause it’s so basic 😅[close]
I think that's probably a fair assessment, I have the ace hard bushing kit in mine and i run them with a couple threads showing and im 160ish.
If you're set on aces, You should just get some super hard bushings for them.
Ventures might suit you better. idk.
Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
Yeah I’m going to try Venture. I actually like how they look more than the other trucks, so hopefully they work well for me. I have Indy, Thunder, Krux also, and the ACEs are the only ones I lowkey hate. Which sucks cause I know they’re great trucks. Just not for me I guess.
Heard the same about Krux and the K5s turn great for me, almost like an Indy after I waxed the pivot cups and bushings. I just think they look budget so riding them kinda fucks with my head, like, "Why am I riding this when I have better gear?" 😭 So they stay on my cruiser.Expand Quote
Yeah I’m going to try Venture. I actually like how they look more than the other trucks, so hopefully they work well for me. I have Indy, Thunder, Krux also, and the ACEs are the only ones I lowkey hate. Which sucks cause I know they’re great trucks. Just not for me I guess.[close]
Lots of people complain that ventures arent turny enough (myself included) but since youre a bigger dude i dont think you will have that issue as badly as others.
GODSPEED BROTHER
may your madness be settled.
Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
Yeah, that’s what was bothering me. It felt like my board was missing something, and even though it was the same length as my old one, it felt shorter. Kinda sucks cause I have a few TTs on ice.Expand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
Yeah, that’s what was bothering me. It felt like my board was missing something, and even though it was the same length as my old one, it felt shorter. Kinda sucks cause I have a few TTs on ice.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.[close]
Expand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
No, they’re all Welcome 8.5 Evil Twins sadly.Expand QuoteYeah, that’s what was bothering me. It felt like my board was missing something, and even though it was the same length as my old one, it felt shorter. Kinda sucks cause I have a few TTs on ice.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.[close]
Are any of them 8.3 real/krooked slicks? I'll buy them off you if you're really over them.[close]
Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
Expand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
I was gifted a Chris Roberts twin tail deck from someone who hated it and … I also hated it.
I avoided those cause that 14 inch wheelbase 🫠Expand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
I was gifted a Chris Roberts twin tail deck from someone who hated it and … I also hated it.
Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.[close]
I don't get what PS said at all. I've never done the same tricks either off the tail or nose depending on how I want to do them. Is anybody doing that? I'm gonna kickflip off the tail, no matter the spot. No multitooling here. I think having a fat nose only feels better because it's what we're used to.
I just switched from the 8.0 Ishod twin to the 8.25 neen twin and the kicks feel perfect. The kicks on the 8 are small, 6.5 I think. And they were flat as well, felt dangerous. So that's actually my limit for a "nose" size. 6.6-6.7 is fine.
Another thing is truck tightness, once you stop obsessing over the trucks being 100% exactly the same, it doesn't matter at all. Imagine if one truck was 5% tighter and no one on the sesh had a tool. You'd stop caring after 5 minutes, just skate and probably forget about it/don't even notice it.
Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
Expand QuoteStay sane. Less thinking more skating[close]
Best thing ever posted in this thread.
I don’t need the trucks to be the same. It’s just the tighter side feels better as my back truck cause that’s how all my other setups are. I just like how it feels when the front truck is looser. I’ll probably keep my twin tails and just ride them like regular ones.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBlah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.[close]
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.[close]
I don't get what PS said at all. I've never done the same tricks either off the tail or nose depending on how I want to do them. Is anybody doing that? I'm gonna kickflip off the tail, no matter the spot. No multitooling here. I think having a fat nose only feels better because it's what we're used to.
I just switched from the 8.0 Ishod twin to the 8.25 neen twin and the kicks feel perfect. The kicks on the 8 are small, 6.5 I think. And they were flat as well, felt dangerous. So that's actually my limit for a "nose" size. 6.6-6.7 is fine.
Another thing is truck tightness, once you stop obsessing over the trucks being 100% exactly the same, it doesn't matter at all. Imagine if one truck was 5% tighter and no one on the sesh had a tool. You'd stop caring after 5 minutes, just skate and probably forget about it/don't even notice it.
Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
I got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.
Expand QuoteI got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.[close]
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, help me find:
8.25" x ~32" x 14.25" WB under 7" nose, 6.5"+ tail. Mellow to Flat. PStix.
Something like a Baker OG/Mellow x Real Classic oval (but smaller WB) shape-style, but NOT pointy or square, more like a 'rounded full' The DLX "8.28" would be perfect if the WB was longer.
Closest I can find are:
T.U.
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Zero (ugh) - no idea who's pressing them these days
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Both look like the noses are long and not full/rounded tho.
The trick about quasi is finding them it seems (the 8.25s) the Proto is easy to find but not a fan anymore.
The 'rest' of the boards that size is the nose being super long as I hate long/straight but rounded tip noses (like the last toy machine I rode); full round noses are super hard to come by to seems.
The SC 8.28 is really close, but it's not exactly flat and the WB is some fucknutt 14.188 BS.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.[close]
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.[close]
Both of them have 6.5" tails. The 8.38 isn't as pointy as a Baker OG but it's on that side.
I haven't gripped the 8.25 but the one I have is definitely fuller/rounder in both nose and tail. Which graphics did you have?
The trick about quasi is finding them it seems (the 8.25s) the Proto is easy to find but not a fan anymore.
The 'rest' of the boards that size is the nose being super long as I hate long/straight but rounded tip noses (like the last toy machine I rode); full round noses are super hard to come by to seems.
The SC 8.28 is really close, but it's not exactly flat and the WB is some fucknutt 14.188 BS.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.[close]
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.[close]
Both of them have 6.5" tails. The 8.38 isn't as pointy as a Baker OG but it's on that side.
I haven't gripped the 8.25 but the one I have is definitely fuller/rounder in both nose and tail. Which graphics did you have?[close]
Depends where they are from, as there are at least three woodshops making those boards - BBS (mexico), HLC for EU and unknown woodshop from China.
I had the BBS and China Element boards pass through my hands to others and there are definitely significant differences in the shapes, even though they are almost the same dimensions.
Interesting to see them and stand on them, even though I didn't skate those ones myself, but others have enjoyed both types from the two different woodshops.
Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
Gonna set up a depop in the next week or so. Felt like I was literally losing my mind due to madness, so I’m gonna stick with 8.5 FA/Hockey, Indy 159 Hollows, and Spitfire tablets for now. Not sure how much it’ll be to ship decks, if it’s too expensive I may drop them off at my local, maybe stagger them so one person doesn’t grab ‘em all.
Honestly, the only things I may be able to sell are these Welcome twin tails and size 13 Tyshawn’s (Tiago’s look more comfy and I unironically love #NB).
Yesterday I saw Kelly Hart’s setup video on YouTube. I imagine a lot of pros ride the same shape for as long as possible. I’ve started to think about it like having a job—it’d be annoying to learn a new system every week. Like going from MacOS, Windows, then Linux and back multiple times a month lol. Over a decade ago I realized that Mac is my preferred system and I’ve been with them ever since. Time to do the same with skateboarding 😅
TL;DR: I’m done lol
I tried a Baker 8.25 recently on forged hollows and a couple things were nice on it, but man- I hated it. Thunders on that deck instantly made it better. Debating trying standard Indys on it even tho historically speaking I haven't skated as well on them and have a nice happy place home with my Thunder and Venture setups. I think its cognitive dissonance on that I know Indys turn well and that's cool, but I want to be able to skate them well since everyone else out there seems to.
Ya it's still not my absolute favorite for sure but it went from being legit annoyed skating it to "meh, I can live with this for a bit". That is until I slapped on my normal BBS 8.38 and was like 'fuuuuuckin nice, I'm home'
Dat feel when all the gear madness pays off
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
(https://i.ibb.co/n8y9HZf/IMG-2674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n8y9HZf)(https://i.ibb.co/PTk38t2/IMG-2673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTk38t2)
It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
Yeah I’m giving some stuff away and trying to sell what I can. It’s just gonna be a hassle to ship the decks.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/n8y9HZf/IMG-2674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n8y9HZf)(https://i.ibb.co/PTk38t2/IMG-2673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTk38t2)
It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴[close]
I've dismantled all but one board and dropped a ton of 'I'll never skate this/these again' parts of all types off at various spots to slowly de-pop.
What I need to do next is sell off some unused Venture (x2) and Thunders....and some used 161 thunders that are just sitting there taking up space...maybe those IKP royals I don't skate since I move to hollow platets....ugh
I’m trying to stay busy, cause when I get bored I fired up Tactics now instead of IG, which leads to impulse buying. Like today I have the urge to stock up on these OJ Hardline wheels cause I lowkey like them more than Spitfires. But I’m fighting the urge. I’ll just replace my current wheels when they hit 48-49mm.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/n8y9HZf/IMG-2674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n8y9HZf)(https://i.ibb.co/PTk38t2/IMG-2673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTk38t2)
It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴[close]
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴[close]
I've dismantled all but one board and dropped a ton of 'I'll never skate this/these again' parts of all types off at various spots to slowly de-pop.
What I need to do next is sell off some unused Venture (x2) and Thunders....and some used 161 thunders that are just sitting there taking up space...maybe those IKP royals I don't skate since I move to hollow platets....ugh
I’m trying to stay busy, cause when I get bored I fired up Tactics now instead of IG, which leads to impulse buying. Like today I have the urge to stock up on these OJ Hardline wheels cause I lowkey like them more than Spitfires. But I’m fighting the urge. I’ll just replace my current wheels when they hit 48-49mm.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/n8y9HZf/IMG-2674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n8y9HZf)(https://i.ibb.co/PTk38t2/IMG-2673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTk38t2)
It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴[close]
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.[close]
Expand QuoteI’m trying to stay busy, cause when I get bored I fired up Tactics now instead of IG, which leads to impulse buying. Like today I have the urge to stock up on these OJ Hardline wheels cause I lowkey like them more than Spitfires. But I’m fighting the urge. I’ll just replace my current wheels when they hit 48-49mm.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/n8y9HZf/IMG-2674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n8y9HZf)(https://i.ibb.co/PTk38t2/IMG-2673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTk38t2)
It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴[close]
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.[close][close]
I for SURE check skateshop sites WAAAAAAY more than lamestagram...
Shipping decks is never worth it (unless we're talking classic/rares/wall hangers), I'd rather dump them at a spot or give them someone at the park who needs it.
I've been pretty good lately....went back to indys, x97s and back up to an 8.25 after a stint on an 8.125 (though I did buy an extra of that 8.125 off ebay cuz cheap and it's sooo good).
Was on thunders and 99 spits (8.25SE real) and things were 'fine' I skated well but it just felt 'fine' it didn't feel comfy or special....threw on indys and x97s and skated the same but it was so much easier to skate (if heavier) and if felt sweet under feet, which to me, is better than 'fine' ya know?
For me changing setups has given an easy way to be stoked on skating. Typing this out it feels like a completely stupid way of thinking but I think there is quite a bit of that happening for me at least.I get that. Skateboards are cheap enough and the configurations are basically endless. So it’s easy to get addicted to swapping shit out. I used to have a bad session, blame it on my gear, then buy something new. It’s why I have some 75mm Thunder Juice wheels that are total overkill lol. I bought them cause I wanted to go faster. Instead of working on my push, I just got bigger wheels 🙃
I have my go to tricks that I can do quite ok. Changing setups makes it interesting for me to see how they work with the different setup. What adjustments I need to make to make the tricks work etc. I’ve been doing that a lot. It just leads me to not really learning new stuff as I spend so much time getting used to different shit.
Why do I do this then? Probably because if something doesn’t work nicely, I can blame it on the setup instead of my lack of skill and determination.
If I’d have the same or at least very similar setup all the time I would probably have to focus more on learning new tricks to keep myself stoked and for some reason that’s not as easy to accept mentally. Couldn’t blame anything except myself then and that’s uncomfortable. So the “madness” for me is at least partially a cop out.
Going forward I will try to focus more on mental strength and accepting my skill level and that it’s ok that I cannot do such and such tricks but I can learn if I want to.
Since there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.
Expand QuoteSince there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.[close]
I don't think that's similar at all. With thai food, all you do with it is eating it, nothing new. You can (and should...) do a lot of new skating with your current setup though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSince there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.[close]
I don't think that's similar at all. With thai food, all you do with it is eating it, nothing new. You can (and should...) do a lot of new skating with your current setup though.[close]
You are welcome to have different thoughts/opinions. Not everyone has the same madness. That said, the point may have evaded. No analogy is dead-on.
...I had some personal tragedy in the last week...
On some thunder 149s right now and while some flip tricks feel better, I hate landing tricks on these. I have soft aftermarket bushings and they turn ok but I still feel train tracked on these. Either tic tacking out or tipping over. Been hearing tighter, more stable trucks make skating easier but I took a look at all my footage the past year and the best clps with the hardest skating have been on ace af1s. I'm a big dude too so this should make no sense. I think those are my trucks. I have an army of trucks in my closet that I should either give away or forget about.
I really do miss using stuff to its life's end and looking forward to buying new gear. Now if I buy new stuff, it's just stockpiled on ice til I decide my current ride needs something different. I'm sure I'd feel different if I was unable to obtain gear but it really is a mind fuck.
I've been skating a DLX deck with a 14.69 wheelbase for the last few weeks and I kinda think I hate it. I feel like my back truck never gets as high as it used to when I skated boards closer to 14.3-14.5. Does this sound kinda right? Like obviously somewhat a skill issue, but since we're in the madness thread, it checks out that a bigger wheelbase would make my ollie laggier right?
I feel better having one setup. It’s only been a few days, but I’m already less anxious 😌
A gigantic catalyst for my madness is watching footage of those folks I admire.I get that. After seeing Leo’s part I had the urge to go back to a Toy Machine deck. But I’ve managed to stick to my one setup. As time passes, I have less of an urge to change it. At the end of the day it’s just a tool, and I need to focus on just getting better.
Currently, this week, it is Wade, and Jacopo.
Supremely kooky, but I’ll try and figure out setups and then come somewhat close to replicating them. Sorta. I usually ballpark it. Anyways, it’s weird. It’s like doing a search for: ‘best computer for hackers’. Embarrassing.
But if anyone wants to tell me what Jacopo rides that’d be chill.
Damn these pro skaters for putting out banger video parts to get me interested in their products!!!Yeah, screw them for doing their jobs so well lol😅
But same here, Leo's part got me hunting for a Toy Machine deck, but the 2 days later the feeling faded and I'm back to my stack.
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i thought this was about esoterics, like skating only certain colors, not really talking functionality. i feel like it's ok to have that be its own topic. imo it shouldn't be just about trucks tho.
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i thought this was about esoterics, like skating only certain colors, not really talking functionality. i feel like it's ok to have that be its own topic. imo it shouldn't be just about trucks tho.[close]
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=122395.0
Like most addictive things I’ve been around, some time interruption helps the ‘need’ fade.
I am pretty impressed/dismayed, at how malleable I am on this subject.
I think @Macho Taildrop mentioned something similar, somewhere, but as soon as I say: ‘14 wb or nothing’ or ‘i relate to 8s’ then I am for certain going to be back here, hat in hand, scuffing my shoe, unsure as ever, within s month or less.
What trucks would you guys pair with a shorter board with long wheelbase?
I usually stick to 8.25/8.35 x 32 x 14.25/14.38 with Ventures, got a LB Skate Co deck that is 8.38 x 31.6 x 14.25. Last time I rode a short deck with long wheelbase (short tail - 6.3" tail) but the fat nose got me interest to try it out.
What trucks would you pair with these dims? Rode Ace AF1 Lows a while back but too twitchy for my likings. Thinking Indy Mid Forged or Thunder 149 Team Hollows?
What trucks would you guys pair with a shorter board with long wheelbase?
I usually stick to 8.25/8.35 x 32 x 14.25/14.38 with Ventures, got a LB Skate Co deck that is 8.38 x 31.6 x 14.25. Last time I rode a short deck with long wheelbase (short tail - 6.3" tail) but the fat nose got me interest to try it out.
What trucks would you pair with these dims? Rode Ace AF1 Lows a while back but too twitchy for my likings. Thinking Indy Mid Forged or Thunder 149 Team Hollows?
merging this into hardware pet peeves thread
EDIT:
for some reason the hardware pet peeves thread won't show up anymore in search or can't be merged. since it has been dead for a while anyway, this will be the new one now and the thread will be left up.
@Daewons front truck would you be alright with this being a general hardware ocd thread and not have it truck specific? as mentioned we used to have a thread for irrational gear madness like this. it might be better to have one for all parts, as opposed to have several threads about each component.
Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.Yes! Please don’t head down this path, it’ll only slow down your progression and cause you unnecessary stress. I’m not even joking. When I got into skateboarding I went WILD. And now I have enough gear to last me for the next three-four years. Just stick to one setup.
Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.
Yes! Please don’t head down this path, it’ll only slow down your progression and cause you unnecessary stress. I’m not even joking. When I got into skateboarding I went WILD. And now I have enough gear to last me for the next three-four years. Just stick to one setup.Expand QuoteAm I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.[close]
The people have spoken! All good, I hear you. I bought (2) of the G021 decks on Vday with grip for $80, plus I have the habitat 8”. So I am set for a while, esp. at the rate I skate. Easier on the wallet too.
Edit: one piece of gear I do think I need tho is new shoes. The 2 pairs of Nike Chron 2s (super thin Vulc shoe, can feel everything under foot) I’m rocking have been used as my main daily and work (finish carpenter) shoes for 2-3 years. My feet and knees hurt after skating lately but I’m thinking the shoes were just blown out to begin with and it’s getting worse as I’m skating now. I do have a brand new pair of NB 306s that I scored for $35 shipped, that hurt my feet but maybe they just need to break in? I like the increase in stability and protection over my SBs.
Oh, I agree. It doesn’t sound condescending. I was worried about stuff I had no business worrying about. And that’s my goal now. I’ll only try new things once something breaks. I’m also done putting gear on ice. Cause my tastes change so fast, I’ll buy something and when it comes time to use it I’m already over it. So now my motto is, “Buy it when you need it.”Expand QuoteYes! Please don’t head down this path, it’ll only slow down your progression and cause you unnecessary stress. I’m not even joking. When I got into skateboarding I went WILD. And now I have enough gear to last me for the next three-four years. Just stick to one setup.Expand QuoteAm I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.[close][close]
I 100% agree with this, esp. if you are a beginner. I don't, in anyway, mean this to sound pejorative, but to really go deep into the differences of nuance-madness, you're best suited in having a decent foundation in basic skateboarding. For example, if you can't do a decent ollie, the different ways a 14.25 and 14.38 wb effect your ollie will be totally lost. Stick to one complete for now. Once, and only once, something wears out, try something slightly different, and keep notes about what you like/don't like about the change, and let that guide your following purchases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0Can relate. I’m also a tall skater and I ride 14.25 wheelbase boards that honestly feel a little cramped. When I’m injured or can’t skate I tweak my setup. Or if I’m down and depressed. It’s made me realize that stocking up is a bad idea cause my mind changes too much. Now I have tons of gear I don’t care to skate. Anyway, I hope you can heal up!
hurt my back, didnt skate for a while because i needed to make sure i was good to skate on the 18th for an event my volunteer group was participating in. Re aggravated the back injury during the event, and had the worst knee pain of my life that evening. My right knee (im reg, so my main pop leg) will sometimes get sore after skating for a while, but it has never in my life hurt like it did the evening after our event. Thankfully the pain had died down to manageable levels after sleeping, but it still doesnt feel quite right.
Though I'm sure all of this mental BS is probably mostly due to my injuries, my dormant madness is starting to stir and its directing my focus toward my setup.
Currently considering throwing some thunders on longer WB boards to see how that suits me. im 6' 4" and I'm wondering if some of my awkward positioning on my skateboard (from it not fitting my long ass body/legs is what is leading me to these injuries.
I have an 8.38 with a 14.5 wb from deluxe and a 8.38 palace with a 14.81 wb. Have also considered trying that 8.6 dlx shape with that 14.75 wb
I hate not being able to just ignore my setup, it drives me nuts how i will feel so completely fine with it, no desire to change, and then something just goes off in my head like i NEED to try this other thing out.
Can relate. I’m also a tall skater and I ride 14.25 wheelbase boards that honestly feel a little cramped. When I’m injured or can’t skate I tweak my setup. Or if I’m down and depressed. It’s made me realize that stocking up is a bad idea cause my mind changes too much. Now I have tons of gear I don’t care to skate. Anyway, I hope you can heal up!
Dude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks
Expand QuoteDude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks[close]
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.
Chillers that hurt seem to defeat the purpose unfortunately...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks[close]
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.[close]
Damn... guess i might have to retire these and turn em to chillers before they're too haggard. The one time I step away from the go-to... ::)
So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
Chillers that hurt seem to defeat the purpose unfortunately...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks[close]
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.[close]
Damn... guess i might have to retire these and turn em to chillers before they're too haggard. The one time I step away from the go-to... ::)[close]
Expand QuoteSo I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?[close]
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.
So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?[close]
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.[close]
Wholeheartedly disagree.Expand QuoteSo I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?[close]
Personally I say go for it. My main setup is always an 8.25 board and trucks and 52mm wheels, it's a fantastic combo. But I'd suggest dropping to 8.25 first.
or
If money is tight, just swap the deck and wheel since you already have them as you are NOT going to really notice 2mm wheel different because you will be too subconsciously distracted on the deck width); keep your trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?[close]
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.[close]
Wholeheartedly disagree.Expand QuoteSo I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?[close]
Personally I say go for it. My main setup is always an 8.25 board and trucks and 52mm wheels, it's a fantastic combo. But I'd suggest dropping to 8.25 first.
or
If money is tight, just swap the deck and wheel since you already have them as you are NOT going to really notice 2mm wheel different because you will be too subconsciously distracted on the deck width); keep your trucks.
I'm actually thinking of going back down to 14.25 and/or Ventures since I keep fucking up Thunder bushings and its getting old. I noticed on a friend's setup and on a board I setup for fun a few months ago that the slightly faster pop of a shorter board makes it a bit easier to get onto taller ledges, which is what I want to skate right now. Not waist high, I'm not that great, but above knee height with my current bag of basics would be nirvana.
Because I do...jezzus...What does it matter if I do or not?
Seriously, ask yourself if my opinion really matters to you.
The OP looked at your opinion, and mine, and will make his own choice.
FFS man, you always have to be right, get over yourself.
OP has the smaller wheels and 149s, everything will work fine on an 8.25...which is one of the mentioned targets...people get new decks ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how do you know it won't gel for him?
Expand QuoteI'm actually thinking of going back down to 14.25 and/or Ventures since I keep fucking up Thunder bushings and its getting old. I noticed on a friend's setup and on a board I setup for fun a few months ago that the slightly faster pop of a shorter board makes it a bit easier to get onto taller ledges, which is what I want to skate right now. Not waist high, I'm not that great, but above knee height with my current bag of basics would be nirvana.[close]
I like shorter boards, and short tails. And low trucks. And quick pop. And thunders. And ventures.
So I’m not much help.
You are tall, so your knee height will be way different than mine, but basics, higher, is an admirable goal imo.
Lots of variables, I’ve Ollied high, for me, on super long boards, but maybe they had bigger wheels…hard to memorize all the different aspects of all of these concoctions I’ve compiled.
I ollie higher with ventures, more consistent pop (kickflips) with thunders. I, and everyone I think, fuck up the thunder bushings. Looks weird, but I don’t find it bothering me. Does it fuck with the turn/stability? Eventually I’ll try these super hard thunder bushings I have.
Interested to see how it works out for you.
For me, shorter setups do help me get up higher, and I need all of the help I can possibly get. Mob, vulcs, fucking I’d skate a lib tech rn if I could ollie a tennis net
What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
totally agree that it's best to try different stuff so that it will either reinforce what you like about your current setup or you may discover that you like a different truck brand, etc.Expand QuoteWhat is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..[close]
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
Expand QuoteWhat is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..[close]
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
I had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.
Expand QuoteI had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.[close]
I don't want a too heavy board with too heavy pop (I'm skating right now with ventures 5.2 high raws.. some tricks are a battle for me, sometimes I feel like I'm not in control of my board and having to make a superhuman effort without ease!) But I hate a board that is too light.. I had the 147 Thunder, with 8 or 8.125, and too light.. it earned me an ankle injury (360 flip that turned too much )
The 148 really appeals to me because I really want to switch to 8.25 later.. Do they really have a pop with a light sensation ? That might be cool for a wide board like 8.25 if that's the case ! I also want to be more stable to work on my manuals, it's horrible with the 5.2 high raws! I don't know how John dilo does haha
For 148, I also trust Ben degros for the fact that these are "goodilocks" trucks ! The only thing that scares me is with my height and shoe size (5.7 and 8 foot size), but I don't think that's a big factor and prevents me from performing tricks.. ???
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..[close]
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.[close]
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..[close]
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.[close]
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..[close]
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.[close]
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.[close]
It’s a poor carpenter that blames their tools.
Expand QuoteBecause I do...jezzus...What does it matter if I do or not?
Seriously, ask yourself if my opinion really matters to you.
The OP looked at your opinion, and mine, and will make his own choice.
FFS man, you always have to be right, get over yourself.
OP has the smaller wheels and 149s, everything will work fine on an 8.25...which is one of the mentioned targets...people get new decks ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how do you know it won't gel for him?[close]
Damn, touched a nerve there. Usually an adult that has an opinion has a reason for it. Being an adult myself and a curious one that tries to learn from others, I was interested in some sort of logic I had considered. It's not a matter of right or wrong. I think in an analytic or scientific way because that's how my brain works hence the 1 variable at a time so you don't have any impact from covariance, but I realize others take different approaches to simple stuff and it's interesting to hear about and consider being less anal retentive myself. Other opinions do matter.
Now saying you don't agree then going on some random tangent without any explanation makes you seem like you're disagreeing just to be a pain in the ass. Not to actually add any value to any discussion.
I’m trying to figure out why my favorite decks have been from PS Stix. It’s weird, my Indys seemingly turn better on this Pizza deck. Could it be the flatter concave? Feels like I have more room to work with.
Expand QuoteI’m trying to figure out why my favorite decks have been from PS Stix. It’s weird, my Indys seemingly turn better on this Pizza deck. Could it be the flatter concave? Feels like I have more room to work with.[close]
I don't think you are alone, there's a bunch of us that prefer the flatter stuff; only recently did I realize that's my preference. Was skating a china made disorder (was hoping it was PS but nope) and it's so comfortable and flag (nose is too long at 7.125 and shovel-like). I setup a SC board to compare and it was gross...steep...and I felt like I was on rails.
Just setup a Girl with visibly less concave (than the disorder) but the kicks are a tad steeper.
Stepped foot on a Welcome board the other day and it felt nice and flat.
Expand QuoteI had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.[close]
I don't want a too heavy board with too heavy pop (I'm skating right now with ventures 5.2 high raws.. some tricks are a battle for me, sometimes I feel like I'm not in control of my board and having to make a superhuman effort without ease!) But I hate a board that is too light.. I had the 147 Thunder, with 8 or 8.125, and too light.. it earned me an ankle injury (360 flip that turned too much )
The 148 really appeals to me because I really want to switch to 8.25 later.. Do they really have a pop with a light sensation ? That might be cool for a wide board like 8.25 if that's the case ! I also want to be more stable to work on my manuals, it's horrible with the 5.2 high raws! I don't know how John dilo does haha
For 148, I also trust Ben degros for the fact that these are "goodilocks" trucks ! The only thing that scares me is with my height and shoe size (5.7 and 8 foot size), but I don't think that's a big factor and prevents me from performing tricks.. ???
I'm currently suffering some internal truck madness. I'm currently going back and forth between 139 and 144 FH Indys with 53-54 mm Classics on 8.125-8.25 boards. I feel too high up, especially with steeper boards. I want to try something lower.
I gave Thunder 147s a shot (again) last year, but I just can't get Thunders to feel right for me.
I want to try Indy Mids or Ace Lows with risers.
How bad is the kingpin clearance if you swap Indy Mid hangers onto forged plates? I think I recall seeing in another thread that it wasn't great. Worse or same as Thunder 147s?
I'm currently suffering some internal truck madness. I'm currently going back and forth between 139 and 144 FH Indys with 53-54 mm Classics on 8.125-8.25 boards. I feel too high up, especially with steeper boards. I want to try something lower.
I gave Thunder 147s a shot (again) last year, but I just can't get Thunders to feel right for me.
I want to try Indy Mids or Ace Lows with risers.
How bad is the kingpin clearance if you swap Indy Mid hangers onto forged plates? I think I recall seeing in another thread that it wasn't great. Worse or same as Thunder 147s?
Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
My last 4 sets of trucks: Thunder teams, Venture Forged, Ace lo's, Mindys forged hollows....
I liked ventures the best, then thunders, then mindys, then aces...
The Ace lo's are just too radical for me. Too low, pushed the wheelbase too far in, nose and tail felt too long/ disproportionate. Considering how low they were though, no wheelbite, liked the grind, I had hollows and they didn't seem too heavy. If you're a loose truck guy, I'd maybe recommend them.
Mindy is a more moderate version, just a solid lower truck. I'd put them up against a thunder, but the thunder is lighter, indy turns better, less wheelbite and I liked where the what they did to the wheelbase.
I didn't bother messing with Royals, I'm sure they are fine too, I just don't need any more truckery.....going back to ventures. Them and the thunders I skated two sets in a row, while the aces/mindy's, I'm not bananas about them.
I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
Expand QuoteMy last 4 sets of trucks: Thunder teams, Venture Forged, Ace lo's, Mindys forged hollows....
I liked ventures the best, then thunders, then mindys, then aces...
The Ace lo's are just too radical for me. Too low, pushed the wheelbase too far in, nose and tail felt too long/ disproportionate. Considering how low they were though, no wheelbite, liked the grind, I had hollows and they didn't seem too heavy. If you're a loose truck guy, I'd maybe recommend them.
Mindy is a more moderate version, just a solid lower truck. I'd put them up against a thunder, but the thunder is lighter, indy turns better, less wheelbite and I liked where the what they did to the wheelbase.
I didn't bother messing with Royals, I'm sure they are fine too, I just don't need any more truckery.....going back to ventures. Them and the thunders I skated two sets in a row, while the aces/mindy's, I'm not bananas about them.[close]
Interesting.
I’ve been locked into this idea of trying the ace lows, after enjoying my af1 44s.
I don’t have a good reason to get them, just experimenting.
I generally bounce back and forth between: any ventures, and 147 or 148 thunders.
I have too many trucks.
Expand QuoteI'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.[close]
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.
I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
i went a little crazy with sales and half cabs. which wasn't so bad, you know, getting em for 30-40 bucks shipped was a steal and they'd be worn at some point. but i realized i've gotta wear a half size up and trying to stretch these jawns out ain't gonna work. i've got a couple colorways i'm really fond of and wanted to save but they don't fucking fit so I put most of my 10.5 half cab (and a few others) collection up on craigslist the other night. I've got multiple moms hitting me up to buy $50 half cabs for their sons. How nice is that? I really gotta stop buying shit though. Hopefully now that i've found that the Blazer mid, size 11, is my dream shoe for now, since they don't seem to get cheap like vans, I won't be buying too many pairs
i ended up buying a set of wheels I don't need from a PAL the other night though. fuck.
Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
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TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Expand QuoteBought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...[close]
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
I use the superfeet run comfort as well. Because of your recommendation in another post. They are really good so thanks for that. They work good in my adidas. In the 440 I felt better for a while but after the sole got thinner it became painful again. I'm walking in the 1010s for a week now and after walking in them for around 2 hours or so my feet feel busted. Skated them once so far but had a few problems. They kinda feel wrong shaped for me.Expand QuoteI'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.[close]
Just get better insoles. I use Superfeet Run Comfort and a friend uses the Adapt Run and both make the 440 feel so much better.
How long did you break in the 1010 for? I didn't like them at first, but now it's what I skate 80% of the time.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.[close]
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.[close]
I haven’t had some for a minute, but they truly felt like the most high quality option
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.[close]
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.[close]
I haven’t had some for a minute, but they truly felt like the most high quality option[close]
That's the other thing - by my observation, having skated all the major shoes from major brands, the 1010 is the highest quality shoe on the market (maybe the 808 rivals it, I don't know yet). It's literally just made better than any other skate shoe I've ever had. That doesn't mean it's the objective best shoe or that it's going to work for everyone, but I haven't skated another shoe which is as well-constructed and which lasts as long.
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TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks[close]
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo
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TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks[close]
Full review soon, just for you. I've only skated them a couple times but I'm gonna hit the slappy curb today if the weather cooperates.
Edit - didn't scroll down to see jsoy chimed in, I'd probably trust his opinion over mine.
From what I've done so far (cruise/commute, and 30 minutes of flat ground) I think that interesting or unique are definitely the right word. I'm used to low trucks that are either mega stable (venture) or snappy and responsive (mini logo) so having loose carvey trucks that close to the ground is a totally new experience for me. Not an unpleasant one though.
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Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHad a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.[close]
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me[close]
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
Would you guys say that shoulder/hip width is more important than height when it comes to wheelbase?
I’ve found two boards that work for me extremely well, though they’re on complete different spectrums. Crail Couch 9x32x13.875 and the DLX 8.38x32.25x14.5. Both on aces.
I’m only 5”4 and light as hell but have quite a wide stance. I have no idea why these in particular work for me and I’m still trying to work out what to stick with as I’m sick of having two setups.
Expand QuoteWould you guys say that shoulder/hip width is more important than height when it comes to wheelbase?
I’ve found two boards that work for me extremely well, though they’re on complete different spectrums. Crail Couch 9x32x13.875 and the DLX 8.38x32.25x14.5. Both on aces.
I’m only 5”4 and light as hell but have quite a wide stance. I have no idea why these in particular work for me and I’m still trying to work out what to stick with as I’m sick of having two setups.[close]
Cross posting this from another thread that wasn’t really suitable for the question…
I am just genuinely confused how these two completely different boards work well for me.
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Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me[close]
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHad a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.[close]
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me[close]
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.[close]
Fact: Wider trucks have more "lateral slide" during grinds/stalls.
Subjective Perspective: That "lateral slide" is a good/bad thing.
I have two set-ups:
-DLX 8.25" w/144s
-DLX 8.75" w/159s
Generally, I like the 8.25" better for most grinds* than the 8.75". Why? Because the 8.25" "locks in" quicker, faster, and more concisely than the 8.75". However, if I drop down to an 8.0" with 139s, I find that to be far too "tight rope" getting into grinds, etc. There is a balance between too narrow, and too wide. Where that is, and under what circumstances, is for you to find out. Welcome to The Madness. :)
*The 8.75" is waaaay better for ledge Smith grinds.
Can anyone psychologically break this down? Because that’s what it is…..
I feel unhappy, I need to change my gear…..takes one to know one….
Interesting. Thanks for the response!
My main criteria for trucks is the pop, and these probably are not the best…but…in the definition of madness (besides multiple back to back shitposts), for me, is just wanting something different. Just because.
A few dudes that skate the same spots I used to all got Ace lows and rode them decently tight and love them. All ledge skaters that like tech stuff so not tons of turning but their glowing review has tempted me.
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Interesting. Thanks for the response!
My main criteria for trucks is the pop, and these probably are not the best…but…in the definition of madness (besides multiple back to back shitposts), for me, is just wanting something different. Just because.[close]
They're definitely something different, but whether that's an improvement or not is obviously gonna be subjective. Pop feels really really good on an 8.25 Raybourn bbs football, but it's also a fairly mellow bbs board (probably a IV in the dlx system).
(https://i.ibb.co/R45qp4v/IMG-20230404-101028-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R45qp4v)
As expected it's very responsive, your tail hits the ground quickly and you can get a surprisingly strong pop without a lot of effort. I'm not sure if it's the deck or trucks but my flip tricks (all 3 of them) were spinning with such a tight spiral you'd think Dan Marino was involved. I landed a double heel flip for the first time in at least 15 years by accident and was even getting seated kickflips at the bus stop to level out and those are always rocket. Landed a clean big spin second try and stuff like front shuvs sucked up to my feet in a way they rarely do. I might have just been having a really good day though, so I'm not going to declare them my new every day truck just yet but they felt great
I didn't make it out to the slappy spot so I still don't really know how they grind but the turn and pop are both living up to the pretty lofty expectations I had for these. One thing to be aware of though is you really need to skate 52s or smaller unless you plan on really cranking them down. I have mine pretty tight and Ill bite on 53mm jivaro conicals if I put my full weight into it. Im probably going to put on some 51mm snots at some point.
Expand QuoteCan anyone psychologically break this down? Because that’s what it is…..
I feel unhappy, I need to change my gear…..takes one to know one….[close]
Fundamentally we're no different from the guys with 2000 video games and 100 consoles they'll never play.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHad a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.[close]
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me[close]
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.[close]
Very different feel of BBS wood to Dwindle wood to start with, but then there are also going to be differences in board dimensions, which could be affecting things just as much as the different concaves and feel of the board.
* From one of the most felxible boards, especially if older in the BBS wood, to the stiffest of the major brands in Dwindle, with almost zero give at all.
How do the dimensions compare?
Wheelbase in particular, but also tail length and angle if you put your old deck on top of the new deck?
(https://i.ibb.co/fMrFfqy/33224-F0-A-3-B26-4800-B3-E7-2915-FE7735-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fMrFfqy)
Set this up. I normally ride an 8.5 with 159 Indy Hollows. This is an 8.25 with 148 Thunders. Good Lord, the pop on this was insane. Pairing the 148 with a nearly flat Toy Machine deck had me flying 😖
With is fun, but I had less control. Was toe tapping everywhere.
sounds like you're just not as picky as some people on here (myself included).
I would stick with the 8.38 DLX if I was you, mainly because of availability. You could probably walk into any legit skateshop at any time and find that shape, no prob. I'm also a huge fan of that shape, but im trying to leave my bias out of this.
I'm kind of anal retentive about my ideal setup in that I want all tricks to work as best as possible. More normal people are fine with a few things being less good and others being better. That's kinda where madness can start. It's likely you just don't have the madness.
I agree that if you want 1 setup go with the one that has the best availability, graphics, and makes you stoked. If my best shape was something I wasn't really into it for whatever reason I'd likely never be truly happy skating it cuz some days I just like doing really simple shit and being happy that I can still skate and that plays a role.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...[close]
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks[close]
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo[close]
What did you switch to? I don’t need my stuff to last forever (I’m old, don’t have that much skate time left)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...[close]
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks[close]
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo[close]
What did you switch to? I don’t need my stuff to last forever (I’m old, don’t have that much skate time left)[close]
I went back to Indy then settled on Venture low with medium bones bushings.
...If I put Ventures on a really short deck, it's still too short because it's not like my limb lengths change and the deck randomly gets longer and my feet are less on the kicks when I land.
Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
I've got a DLX 8.25 IV right now and it's pretty damn solid I must say. I could easily ride this shape for the long term.
Expand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
Expand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why?
Expand QuoteIn other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why?[close]
Why? Because the Thunder baseplate thing is real. :)
Expand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.[close]
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.[close]
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.[close]
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.[close]
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.[close]
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.[close]
Yeah but….
Kickflip back smith.
This person is good.
I’m not.
I NEED the different trucks/all the help I can get.
But yeah, I agree it’s not the plow, it’s the farmer.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.[close]
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.[close]
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.[close]
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.[close]
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.[close]
Yeah but….
Kickflip back smith.
This person is good.
I’m not.
I NEED the different trucks/all the help I can get.
But yeah, I agree it’s not the plow, it’s the farmer.[close]
Exactly - I struggle to do both tricks individually, your homie is cut from a different sheet of griptape.
Fastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?
Expand QuoteFastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?[close]
Fastbreaks or pro leathers would look better.
Good call.
I think you can get dunks in regular colors, when I bought these 3 pairs it was when I couldn’t get dunks very easily and just grabbed whatever they’d sell me in my size.
I generally skate better/feet hurt less, in dunks.Tiagos might be up your alley if the extra bulk isn't a deterrent.
They look kinda fucked tho.
For context, I’m really old, and I wear straight fit pants (501s, etc). Shit just looks too…try-hard dad, hip-dad, yo your dad is a creep, etc.
I like the way half cabs, and some other classic vans styles look, as well as cons, etc. you know, classic looking shoes. But they hurt.
I don’t think there is a solution. I am just complaining.
***good thing I have like 3 pairs of dunks. To look stupid in.
I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
Expand QuoteI haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.[close]
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.
I haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.[close]
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.[close]
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.[close]
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.[close]
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...
Expand QuoteI haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.[close]
grats, hope your new setup works for a while.
i much prefer indy's to ventures. i probably pop tricks a bit higher on ventures, but indy's are just more fun for me overall. and the grind is SOOOOO much better on indys
Well what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.[close]
grats, hope your new setup works for a while.
i much prefer indy's to ventures. i probably pop tricks a bit higher on ventures, but indy's are just more fun for me overall. and the grind is SOOOOO much better on indys[close]
thanks, me too.
i found i was popping higher with the indys on and with less effort than i used to with the ventures. i pop further away from the rails/ledges im skating now too, first 10 mins i kept overshooting things, couple scary moments. got the adrenaline going though.
i think i may be converted but i need at least a couple more sessions before ill commit to that statement.
Expand QuoteWell what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?[close]
The 8.38 is one of my most hated DLX decks. Won't go near that thing.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.[close]
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.[close]
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...[close]
I find myself in this situation often 148/149 on 8.25 waivering back and forth, pros and cons. What didn’t you like about the 149/8.25 combo?
Thanks for the response @Sedition this is the exact madness that brought me to “shoes and gear” to begin with. I’m actually wanting to put 149s on my 8.125 right now :D
I hadn’t thought about my trucks at all for awhile and since I put a 56mm conical on there I started to want a wider truck again. Technically my trucks are wider because 148 is 8.25, and so the spiral begins.
Expand QuoteWell what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?[close]
The 8.38 is one of my most hated DLX decks. Won't go near that thing.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?[close]
Fastbreaks or pro leathers would look better.
Good call.
I think you can get dunks in regular colors, when I bought these 3 pairs it was when I couldn’t get dunks very easily and just grabbed whatever they’d sell me in my size.[close]
Fastbreaks have a worse insole and that stupid nylon material on most models. I wish so badly that converse would fix this shoe, i would probably skate it exclusively if they did.
Those new ones with the boot laces that came out look ok, but its not the time of year for an all black shoe.
Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0614/3095/6207/products/avenue-gen1-90-suspension-truck-127007.jpg?v=1664443088&width=823)
i know it's crazy because well....it all matters....we have pages of drivel to support this....Same, within reason. Obviously if you go from high trucks with risers to low ones your legs will be less tired. But I think it’s more important to learn your limits. If a session goes over an hour then I’ll be paying for my sins for a couple days 😅
but I kinda think your truck choice will not change whether or not your legs feel tired.....
Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
Expand QuoteWhich trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?[close]
You’re chasing phantoms. Sorry to sounds so glib, but if you’re worried about leg stress, go to the gym.
What are you skating? Flat ground, street, parks, ramps?
The combination of trucks and how steep a board is can definitely have an effect, as per some of the more interesting videos from people on youtube and the like.
Steeper kicks and longer wheelbase trucks can mean you will get more height from your ollie, but you have to put more effort into getting it there, which could make your legs more tired.
More mellow boards with trucks that extend the wheelbase the least are way easier to pop but you are going to get less height, but might be easier to skate for longer or put less stress on your legs.
In order of shortest to longest wheelbase from the big brands, Ace, Indy, Thunder, Venture, but then it really comes down to the board as well, how many fingers of flat - distance between bolts and start of kicks - so no fingers of flat and steeper, boards are going to be very heavy feeling to pop, but then too many fingers of flat or very mellow and boards are going to be very light to pop.
Combinations of these will very much make a board heavier or lighter to pop, eg putting Ventures on a very mellow board with a short wheelbase and a lot of flat before the kicks will still make it very light to pop.
Last but not least, the legs themselves - warmups or fitness levels, tightness of trucks, strength of ankles, calves, etc all play a big part in it too.
Gear madness at its finest...
Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
ye I have skate madness lol I bought a complete enjoi then I got 2 slick decks girl and Santa Cruz then bought another complete a cliche one then I bought a heart supply impact light deck got 2 as they were like 34.99 half price I got venture low and sushi trucks also have mag light trucks to and then wheels have nomads the dragons and formula 4 classic and I just bought another deck wknd with independent trucks and formula 4 classics so I have like 8 decks or whatever it is now red board is my first ever one it's like 16 years old made by renner it did have warning this is not a toy but one rippin board but I painted it red lolPick one and be done with it. I have four setups, but decided to stick to one 95% of the time. Same with my shoes. Now when something goes wrong I know it’s me, not my gear cause it rarely changes
(https://i.ibb.co/yXgD6Zq/PXL-20230416-160400554-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yXgD6Zq)
This is great, thank you! I would like to ask you something and I hope to explain well in English. I have an 8.5” Hockey deck with 14.25” wheelbase. My plan is using some 58mm spitfires. For flat ground and street, what are the best trucks for a snappy pop? I followed the recommendations some users gave me about watching YouTubers that explain this but their set ups were not the same than mine so I still don’t know. Maybe Indy 149 hollows are good? Thank you!
I'm not trying to troll anyone, but my legs are tired just thinking about that set up......
That's what happens to me every late Spring/Summer. It's nice and I don't wanna learn or adapt to new gear so I keep the same setup and just skate more. By Fall I feel great, then Winter weather hits and I get bored and curious....Totally. My madness hits in winter, when I’m injured, or when I feel like my life is spiraling out of control 😅
That's what happens to me every late Spring/Summer. It's nice and I don't wanna learn or adapt to new gear so I keep the same setup and just skate more. By Fall I feel great, then Winter weather hits and I get bored and curious....
1/16" risers are 100% a madness part
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They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)
Expand QuoteExpand Quote1/16" risers are 100% a madness part[close]
They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)[close]
+1 Ace 1/16 risers on the af1 lows; really turned them around (plus the hard bushings)
Same, within reason. Obviously if you go from high trucks with risers to low ones your legs will be less tired. But I think it’s more important to learn your limits. If a session goes over an hour then I’ll be paying for my sins for a couple days 😅Expand Quotei know it's crazy because well....it all matters....we have pages of drivel to support this....
but I kinda think your truck choice will not change whether or not your legs feel tired.....[close]
Damn, wouldn't have guessed 1.58mm would be that huge of a difference, but it makes sense if you're really sensitive to the height or getting bad wheelbite.
I noticed PJ rides risers with Venture Low I wonder if they're also smaller ones for this reason.
Expand QuoteI noticed PJ rides risers with Venture Low I wonder if they're also smaller ones for this reason.[close]
Now I’m super curious!
Where did you see this? Forged baseplates or cast?
They definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.
They definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.
Expand QuoteThey definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.[close]
ah yea, they do, check the polished
https://venturetrucks.net/
dont think ive ever seen them in person though.
Venture lows are a pretty rare sighting for me in general.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1/16" risers are 100% a madness part[close]
They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)[close]
+1 Ace 1/16 risers on the af1 lows; really turned them around (plus the hard bushings)[close]
I’m taking notes
Nothing like an injury to keep gear madness in check. i'm likely out for at least a couple of months. gave a bunch of stuff to my nephew but still feels weird to have a pile of currently useless skate product. will set up a freshie to motivate me to get back on board while re-habbing. might actually sell some other shit...
Im having crazy shoe madness right now and I need help. Im 30, and I've skated non skate slip ons most of my life. Ive been trying various skate shoes and hating them all. I like a lot of board feel but still want to feel protected and also have a somewhat pointy toe. any suggestions?
for reference: I skated the cons slip ons and hated them, the vans skate slips are really wonky and stretch out really bad, BUT, oddly enough I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
any advice helps
Expand QuoteNothing like an injury to keep gear madness in check. i'm likely out for at least a couple of months. gave a bunch of stuff to my nephew but still feels weird to have a pile of currently useless skate product. will set up a freshie to motivate me to get back on board while re-habbing. might actually sell some other shit...[close]
Opposite of me. If I’m injured or can’t make the time to skate, madness goes ham.
The more I skate, kinda doesn’t matter what I’m on
Im 30,
I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
Expand QuoteIm 30,
I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.[close]
As a fellow 30s guy, these parts gave me a light chuckle and sense of bewilderment.
Im sure I sound insane
Excuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*
Expand QuoteExcuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*[close]
Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but if you havent already, you might wanna consider tightening your thunders a little bit and seeing how they feel.
Thunders turn more/morequickly than ventures, you might be having trouble for that reason.
I cant tell you how many times i was starting to go down he madness hole and just needed to adjust my trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExcuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*[close]
Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but if you havent already, you might wanna consider tightening your thunders a little bit and seeing how they feel.
Thunders turn more/morequickly than ventures, you might be having trouble for that reason.
I cant tell you how many times i was starting to go down he madness hole and just needed to adjust my trucks.[close]
I couldn’t agree more with this answer. “ I need more stability, ( tightens truck a quarter turn). There it is!“ There’s definitely an over tightened point but a micro adjustment as simple as this can go a long way.
Isn’t Prod’s truck : 5.2 hollow low/forged…his 5.6 is high..
Im having crazy shoe madness right now and I need help. Im 30, and I've skated non skate slip ons most of my life. Ive been trying various skate shoes and hating them all. I like a lot of board feel but still want to feel protected and also have a somewhat pointy toe. any suggestions?
for reference: I skated the cons slip ons and hated them, the vans skate slips are really wonky and stretch out really bad, BUT, oddly enough I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
any advice helps
Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
Thanks for the replies. I know it’s not technically madness and I plan on giving it away. And yeah, I want something that has a different vibe. Also doesn’t hurt that I have an abundance of decks cause the sale gear thread lol.Expand QuoteNot sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹[close]
I only like to skate spring/summer color decks during the warmer months. Gotta be a lot of light colors, lots of pastels, stuff like that. Dark boards are for skating in parking garages all winter.
i'm sitting on 3 decks i bought while riding Indy forged.
Now that i switched to venture forged i catch myself looking for more decks that my brain says would skate better with the ventures..
I got 2 Real 8.28s.. 31.7, 14.12 WB. Pretty short tail and one is a I the other is a III.
Should i even bother setting them up with the ventures.
The other one is a Darkroom 8.25, 32, 14.25 WB. Could work better maybe..
Last one was a Polar 8.25, 31.875 14.125 WB. That one felt great with the Ventures so my madness tells me i should buy a few more of them..
I hate this shit.
Not really madness cuz I'm not sweating it but recently tried Venture 5.6 Cast hollows again recently. First on an 8.25/14.25 Pass~Port. Was ok for a few flip tricks, decent pop, horrible manual point. Figured I'd throw them on my 8.25 AH Eagle I am running Thunders on and holy shit is it horrible. Like awful ollieing over anything except for getting up on a taller ledge. Manual point is a tad better cuz the deck is mellower. I don't think I will even try to persist on it because skating it is just simply not fun.
Interestingly I put my Thunders on the Pass~Port and liked it better than the Ventures on there before. So far I have enjoyed Thunders on basically any BBS deck 8.25-8.5 wide and 14.25-14.5WB yet I still wanna try other trucks.
I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
I’ve been on the opposite end of some of these board dimension trends. Longer boards and wheelbases. The bbs dlx 8.25/14.38 with thunders has been my go to recently, but I just finished riding this weird 8.25 heroin yankou deck with a 14.8 wheelbase and it was magic. Flip tricks were amazing, and it was super comfy on transition. I thought it was mislabeled at first but I measured and it was pretty close at 14.7
I’m 5’11 so not really tall and I don’t think my legs are oddly long, but for some reason these bigger wheelbase boards just feel perfect. Bigger nose/tails, nice fingers of flat, and the 8.25 width just works perfect for flip tricks and ledges but gives enough stability for transition.
I found an old ass anti hero deck at the mall labeled “8.25 full” with a 14.5 wheelbase - seemed to from the old/original run when dlx first introduced the full shapes. Didn’t grab it because it must have been a few years old. I ended up finding a few unity & there decks with that same shape and I believe both of those brands are from dlx as well correct?
https://www.tactics.com/there/kien-friends-825-full-shape-skateboard-deck
1st session on the 8.28 and yea.. Better than my Madness tried to tell me. I kinda like it more than the polar I had before. It felt a bit more tiring but all my stuff worked really well. I went with the III first. The I will be a different kind of beast I guess..Expand Quotei'm sitting on 3 decks i bought while riding Indy forged.
Now that i switched to venture forged i catch myself looking for more decks that my brain says would skate better with the ventures..
I got 2 Real 8.28s.. 31.7, 14.12 WB. Pretty short tail and one is a I the other is a III.
Should i even bother setting them up with the ventures.
The other one is a Darkroom 8.25, 32, 14.25 WB. Could work better maybe..
Last one was a Polar 8.25, 31.875 14.125 WB. That one felt great with the Ventures so my madness tells me i should buy a few more of them..
I hate this shit.[close]
You don't have to hate it. You have 2 choices:
1. Set them up and try and leave them at a local park if they don't work.
2. Try to sell them and get what you like.
Regardless I would advise not trying to mastermind wheelbases or other dimensions as much. I've skated setups that all had the same effective wheelbase but felt much different. I have no clue why I like Thunders on 14.5 more than Venture on 14.1-14.25 when they have a longer effective wheelbase. I've skated decks with the same measurements but different kick shapes and fingers of flat and had noticeably different experiences. Sometimes you gotta just ride with what works and suck it up as a loss if something you try that is similar or might be better doesn't work.
Not being able to skate and having a pile of unused shit is driving me loopy. I want to just give it all away at this point.
I’ve been a one complete guy for a while now, but last night I was struggling to land a single kickflip and my pop felt like crap. Today I’m on call and stuck at home, so in order to induce fresh madness into my skating, I went ahead and setup a freshie with some Ventures I’ve had kicking around.
I'm 6 foot 3 with US size 10 shoes what board size is for me?I’m the same height but my feet are 13. I like 8.5 best, but can pop higher on 8.25. I have a 9.25 and 10.34 deck too, and while they feel comfy, they’re too big for me.
After riding a size 8.0 board for a long time, and high trucks, I wanted to change two months ago and I bought a baker 8.125, and thunder 148, because influenced by everyone who skates big guys trucks, but above all; I wanted to be on the medium; because I was getting tired of high trucks, too much effort and big problem in flip tricks.
Lots of trouble too, wide trucks are so hard for me.. I'm short (5.7) and short legs..
Yesterday; I went to the local shop to buy a new board, I went back to 8.0, all the other boards were too long with a large wheelbase, I took a sk8mafia with a length of 31.25 and a wheelbase of 14,1
and a friend gave me a pair of Fury trucks, the new ones that are sold in partnership with decathlon skateboarding , there are mids, and honestly.. I haven't skated so well in a long time ! A 8.0 board is so much better for my build, and the fury trucks are a really big surprise!!! Very light but controllable. Maybe because they are made of aluminium. Their wheelbase is closer to independent, so less hassle with a board wheelbase above 14..
If I could give ONE BIG piece of advice for those who have fallen into madness like me, Take a board in relation to your body size, honestly, everything is easier .. that's undeniable
Expand QuoteAfter riding a size 8.0 board for a long time, and high trucks, I wanted to change two months ago and I bought a baker 8.125, and thunder 148, because influenced by everyone who skates big guys trucks, but above all; I wanted to be on the medium; because I was getting tired of high trucks, too much effort and big problem in flip tricks.
Lots of trouble too, wide trucks are so hard for me.. I'm short (5.7) and short legs..
Yesterday; I went to the local shop to buy a new board, I went back to 8.0, all the other boards were too long with a large wheelbase, I took a sk8mafia with a length of 31.25 and a wheelbase of 14,1
and a friend gave me a pair of Fury trucks, the new ones that are sold in partnership with decathlon skateboarding , there are mids, and honestly.. I haven't skated so well in a long time ! A 8.0 board is so much better for my build, and the fury trucks are a really big surprise!!! Very light but controllable. Maybe because they are made of aluminium. Their wheelbase is closer to independent, so less hassle with a board wheelbase above 14..
If I could give ONE BIG piece of advice for those who have fallen into madness like me, Take a board in relation to your body size, honestly, everything is easier .. that's undeniable[close]
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Pushes away in an 8.38 and an 8.75 at 5'7"
My ollies might be better on one setup cause it has sanded down Jessup versus MOB on my other one. Just easier to slide my foot, but feels like I'll slip off while cruising. This got me thinking--have any of y'all ever applied different brands of grip on a deck? I'm thinking MOB on the tail and Jessup up front for a quicker slide. So it'd be like a 25/75 split. Surely I'm not the first person to think of this lol
Rhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”
Expand QuoteRhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”[close]
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”[close]
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.[close]
I used to do the Excel sheet with WB measurements for each pair of truck with each deck, and this year I started a logbook to track each session on what worked / didn't work for each session, specific to tricks. Got lazy a few months back and haven't got back on the horse yet.
I've been engaging in purposeful madness after finding a good home base.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”[close]
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.[close]
I used to do the Excel sheet with WB measurements for each pair of truck with each deck, and this year I started a logbook to track each session on what worked / didn't work for each session, specific to tricks. Got lazy a few months back and haven't got back on the horse yet.[close]
That sounds nice. I’m a nerd and I love data.
I haven’t figured out how to easily enough integrate the data from my Apple Watch on how much I’ve skated to my Excel-file. Now it just has dates and those can be misleading as the amount I skate unfortunately varies a lot these days. If I could integrate that somehow I’d be stoked.
Also your logbook idea on what tricks work and what do not sounds very good. I’m on a slightly shorter wheelbase now and have been loving it for many things but it is a trade off with something else. Documenting this somehow reliably would be nice. You’d have to have a way of disregarding the bad sessions which happen inexplicably sometimes though.
I've been engaging in purposeful madness after finding a good home base. Mostly trucks with one foray into a shorter deck. What I've found is usually I can do everything, just some things slightly better.
What this has led to is indecisiveness. Do I want the nice pop of Indy's? Or the fast nollie pop of Thunders?
BBS generic 8.38 or DLX 8.25 with 148 Thunders, 52-53mm F4. I could likely also ride the BBS generic 8.25 and any of the wider DLX with a 14.25 fine.
I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
yeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though
A lot of talk about gear…..but not about ‘madness’…..
There’s a fair amount of sensitivity and self importance tied to all of this no?
These things come with age…..
yeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though
My point was that as a mid height, mid weight, mid wheelbase extending truck with good pinch a Thunder usually works with decks of varying kick steepness and wheelbase. Spec wise they're pretty middle of the road whereas an Ace or Venture might be more polarizing hence why there are so many posts on here about people asking the precise specs of what they pair Ventures with.
This is mostly only useful for recommending stuff to a new skater or someone coming off shaped boards back to popsicles. I was mostly just stating it since that's probably why I actually like them- they're the most vanilla of the trucks. They're not the best and not magic or some shit and they have got weaknesses of course.
For me with Indys or Ventures I really dislike steeper kicks, which somewhat limits what I want to ride.
Re the spreadsheet banter...
I had a spreadsheet for a long time. Deck measurements. Notes about shape. Notes about what I did/didn't like about each. I started this years ago, when I was trying to find my "Grail Set-Up," which I eventually did find. Last year I deleted the entire thing. Why? Because it itself had become part of the madness. I had long ago found what works the best for me, and the spreadsheet just became a place I'd look for potential data tweaks when I was bored/injured/rainy days/etc. My only real regret in deleting it? It was a great resource in helping others when they had questions about a specific (DLX) deck measurements/shapes, but @Mbrimson88 usually has my back on that one, so, not a total loss.
Expand Quoteyeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though[close]Expand Quote
My point was that as a mid height, mid weight, mid wheelbase extending truck with good pinch a Thunder usually works with decks of varying kick steepness and wheelbase. Spec wise they're pretty middle of the road whereas an Ace or Venture might be more polarizing hence why there are so many posts on here about people asking the precise specs of what they pair Ventures with.
This is mostly only useful for recommending stuff to a new skater or someone coming off shaped boards back to popsicles. I was mostly just stating it since that's probably why I actually like them- they're the most vanilla of the trucks. They're not the best and not magic or some shit and they have got weaknesses of course.
For me with Indys or Ventures I really dislike steeper kicks, which somewhat limits what I want to ride.[close]
I think more than anything, people will often describe their own experiences with board setups, which sometimes do work for others but other times don't work that well for others, but the "perfect setup" can vary greatly depending on how someone skates, what they are used to, even when someone is fit and has been skating a lot, compared to if someone has been out for a while, or injured or whatever.
Nowdays I just don't have the muscle strength to do half of what I used to do, so a more mellow board with wider Independent trucks = easier pop works way better for me. Others might find that is very average, so a lower, not as wide truck with a steeper board will work better for them, or some other combination that I would think is not that nice for me to skate.Expand QuoteRe the spreadsheet banter...
I had a spreadsheet for a long time. Deck measurements. Notes about shape. Notes about what I did/didn't like about each. I started this years ago, when I was trying to find my "Grail Set-Up," which I eventually did find. Last year I deleted the entire thing. Why? Because it itself had become part of the madness. I had long ago found what works the best for me, and the spreadsheet just became a place I'd look for potential data tweaks when I was bored/injured/rainy days/etc. My only real regret in deleting it? It was a great resource in helping others when they had questions about a specific (DLX) deck measurements/shapes, but @Mbrimson88 usually has my back on that one, so, not a total loss.[close]
Ha yeah too many boards and a bit too much time to "try everything" or at least compare them and then work out what is what in terms of sizes, shapes and everything else to do with these things.
At least to be in a position where people can try all those options at the indoor skatepark is a good thing. It would be a bit weird if I kept one of everything set up just in my own shed or something, but I do have at least one of all the options I prefer there as well.
I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
Expand QuoteI know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.[close]
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.[close]
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.[close]
^ Grim.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.[close]
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.[close]
^ Grim.[close]
He initially settled on the 8.38, but texted me later the same day to ask if he could go with the 8.25 because his homies convinced him to. I obliged since he traveled down and the deck was still in plastic, but still spent 15 minutes comparing the 8.25 / 8.38 because he was worried about hot rodding.
"The 8.38 was looking pretty wide for me to handle"
You're coming from a 7.75, everything 8.0 and up is going to feel massive.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
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The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.[close]
Ha yeah and wow!!!
But for real, this is the sort of thing that having a few "demo boards" really helped with - something they could stand on and roll around, more than just look at and wonder which one might work better for them. I know it is different for you and carrying round multiple setups without a car would just be a nightmare, but I also wouldn't be too keen having others session my own personal boards a whole lot, especially seeing as the first thing most people do is change the truck tightness, so I am just taking the board out of their hand and putting a different one out for them to ride now, or I very specifically say "Don't touch the trucks!" before they even get a hand on it.
I also love the helpful friend routine, which I have seen in action a few too many times - one is saying "go wider" and the other is saying "nah, go smaller" so the guy is already losing his mind and helping you to lose yours as well...
I mean it depends on what decks his friends ride. My buddy really liked the DLX 8.5 and some of the shorter Hockey/FA decks so when I started back after a hiatus he recommended those shapes, which are fairly short. Naturally I got a Polar with a 14.5 and it fucking sucked and went back to the shop shortly after and got something shorter. Was really happy that the shop employee explained a bit of madness statistics about length and WB to me.
At the same time none of this mattered for where I was at and I certainly didn't care about truck width like this dude. I rode the 149s from the Polar on an 8.1 Krooked I think and couldn't tell. I then got 139s to match that and rode those on an 8.5 later.
I’m in a bit of shoe madness right now. I know this one can get dangerous.
Steered away from my tried and true blazer mids and liked the ave pro but lately that’s been off so I went to try a bruin low which is kind of like the blazer low with less support. I started chilling a pair of 440s but they’re still too tight and stiff to comfortably skate. Crockett highs up next
Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.I just infected her with the madness and now she's got 3 setups as well
steepness of kicks has become my new madness focus point.
its hard enough to find board with the wheelbase i want.
Now im going to be worried about a dimension/measurement that isnt listed anywhere or that easy to measure myself.
oof.
I'm loving the 8.38 14.81wb palace, but man these kicks are steep.
Had to go down from my preferred 55mm truck height to compensate.
might even go for some smaller wheels.
I just infected her with the madness and now she's got 3 setups as wellExpand QuoteAnyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.[close]
Expand Quotesteepness of kicks has become my new madness focus point.
its hard enough to find board with the wheelbase i want.
Now im going to be worried about a dimension/measurement that isnt listed anywhere or that easy to measure myself.
oof.
I'm loving the 8.38 14.81wb palace, but man these kicks are steep.
Had to go down from my preferred 55mm truck height to compensate.
might even go for some smaller wheels.[close]
That board seems really interesting. I for sure wanted one, just as an experiment.
I’m more locked in now, but still try different things, just for variety. I think I’ve kinda fried myself, to the point where it’s hard to just go skate with one board. A gross state of affairs.
Not to add to your situation, but that palace is less than 32” long, ya? All to say, shorter nose/tail. I’ve gone on about the griffin Gass shape being a banger, cuz it is, and I think a big reason I’m so into it is the tail is the same length as the crail 7.75. Shit feels familiar. I do not prefer the big long tails, and tbh prefer shorter noses as well. Shorter than average. 6.5 is plenty for a tail imo, and a nose over 6.75…not needed. I don’t measure noses and tails, but I do notice that decks I like more are shorter in both respects.
I like flat boards. If the crail boards had less pitch to the kicks that’d be good, but it works out fine for me, as I don’t skate wheels bigger than 54, and usually 52, also preferring lo trucks.
I know some smart fools that are into pitch angle, and it works for them. I’m trying to go the other way, where I just pic one dimension and it works. The closest two dimensions for this, for me, are length or width. If a board is 31.3 ish, it’ll be good. Haven’t had a bad one, truefit is trying my patience a bit.
Godspeed
Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
Dudes, I think it’s finally here, my moment of cure.
Do wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?
On the topic of the tinny/hard feeling, today I've found out how much shoes can influence this.
I've been riding old reynolds G6 shoes for a while now, the sole is super thick over the whole shoe, no board feel whatsoever.
The shoes apparently made every setup feel like I'm on 97a or even softer wheels. I've been riding F4 99a, stf 99a and 97a, and there wasn't a big difference, just in terms of vibrations of course. Had to go all the way to dragons to notice the extra smoothness really.
Then I switched to thin vulcs in the middle of the session and my 99a wheels suddenly felt like 103a, it felt terrible. Then stepped on my girlfriends board with 97a's and there was a huge difference I couldn't feel before because of the shoes absorbing all vibrations.
It's nice to feel my board again, though.
Also on the topic of madness, I'm back in the wheel madness now due to pollen making the ramps 10 times more slippery.
I thought I've found the solution with wide F4 99a wheels and sold my bones 97s, but pollen ruined it. Now I might have to buy another set of x formula or even dragons. Not sure.
Do wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?
Would probably get bones 97s in either V1 or V5. Dragons might be smarter but I just don't want to be the guy riding dragons in the miniramp, I feel too young for that
Expand QuoteDo wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?[close]
Holy hell, dude. Not to open another gate to hell for you, but they absolutely do. Think about something like a Spitfire Classic. Rounded-off sides. Think of that against, well, round coping. It will "slip" out with ease. Now think about about a more squared-off wheel. Those will "lock" a bit more. That said, it really depends on what your preference is. A few places I notice big differences between the two:
Pivot to fakies / No-handed nose pic to fwd: For these, I like a Classic type wheel better, because they seem to "disengage" with the coping much easier. Some times with a more squared-off wheel, my board seems to have a slight hesitation before breaking with the coping, and I don't like the feel of it (kind of unsettling on those kind of tricks). Can also notice a difference with something like Pivot-to-Tails. With Classics they almost feel like just doing a kickturn. With squared-off, you have to use a little force get from truck to tail.
Feeble to fakies / Smiths / Crooks / Etc: I like Classics better with these, too. The slanted edge of the wheel feels like it makes more contact against coping (but can also slip out a bit more). Feeble to fakie on squared-off wheels feel like I am going up on the tip/pin-point outer edge of wheel when I bring them back in--and it's a little weird.
5-0s / 50-50s / etc.: Def like squared-off more for these. They absolutely lock-in better, esp. when first going into a 5-0 grind.
I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
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You do realize this is the madness thread, right? This where people come to over-think everything.
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You do realize this is the madness thread, right? This where people come to over-think everything.
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I'm trying to help, man... :-X
I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
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Oh I totally would. Here we go. Looking at it like that, how the wheel actually comes into contact with coping (assuming about 2" coping here), the V5 would be the worst and just slip over the coping, and even lock ins seem like they'd lock in kinda worse than a V3. Am I thinking about this totally wrong here? I'm totally a V3 lover, currently riding them in 99a and wish they'd make the x formula in this shape. It's just perfect everywhere except rough ground.
(https://i.ibb.co/L5vYFkb/Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-31-um-00-19-18.png) (https://ibb.co/L5vYFkb)
So now I'm thinking about going with 97a in V1 instead of V5, even though my actual experience tells me V5s lock in perfectly fine!
Edit: better picture, grey would be the truck hanger. Now the V5-lock looks much better than above
(https://i.ibb.co/Wc8F1B1/Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-31-um-01-27-33.png) (https://ibb.co/Wc8F1B1)
Am I thinking about this totally wrong here?
What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
😭😭😭Expand QuoteWhat cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.[close]
gear sadness
😭😭😭Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.[close]
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Pretty much lol
Expand QuoteWhat cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.[close]
gear sadness
Totally. I started at 35 and my body holds me back the most. So I leaned heavily into gear at first, as if I could buy my way into being a “real” skater.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.[close]
gear sadness[close]
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.
Totally. I started at 35 and my body holds me back the most. So I leaned heavily into gear at first, as if I could buy my way into being a “real” skater.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.[close]
gear sadness[close]
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.[close]
I’m 245 lbs and 6’4 and years of physical labor and playing basketball in school has destroyed my knees. Plus the weight don’t help.
Luckily I love rolling around on tennis courts. I can do that for hours without doing a single trick. It feels good just to get better at actually riding 😃
One thing I enjoy about skateboarding is it can be whatever you want it to be.
I’m mildly self conscious about my lack of skill and reading this made me really happy. I don’t think I’ve learned a new trick in close to a year but I’ve had fun every time I stepped on the board in that same timeframe.Expand QuoteTotally. I started at 35 and my body holds me back the most. So I leaned heavily into gear at first, as if I could buy my way into being a “real” skater.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.[close]
gear sadness[close]
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.[close]
I’m 245 lbs and 6’4 and years of physical labor and playing basketball in school has destroyed my knees. Plus the weight don’t help.
Luckily I love rolling around on tennis courts. I can do that for hours without doing a single trick. It feels good just to get better at actually riding 😃
One thing I enjoy about skateboarding is it can be whatever you want it to be.[close]
Heard someone the other day ask this kid how good they were at skating. It made me think that it doesn’t really matter, the real question you need to ask yourself is how much fun/enjoyment it brings you.
If rolling around brings you that joy, then you’re great at skateboarding. Have loads of gear? Sweet, that’s what brings you joy. ☺️
I even think doing the same tricks on different stuff is actually a pretty solid way of enjoying skating. Trying new things and tinkering is fun too.Tinkering is fun. It becomes dangerous when you say, “If I change this, I’ll be better at that.” Outside of major changes like going from an 8 to 8.5, or changing truck brands, a lot of it doesn’t matter.
The part that I don't see constructive is inducing an unhealthy level of of stress upon oneself.
I'm starting to feed the madness again. Came home from a session, and I notice my axle is bent. Dont even have that deep of a k-grind groove. So I swapped to some indys I have laying around. I just hate how they are kinda unstable at center, and turn so easly. My luck with Thunder has been terrible. Broken kingpins, and now bent axle. Kinda dont want to buy them again. I guess venture is the most similar?
Expand QuoteI'm starting to feed the madness again. Came home from a session, and I notice my axle is bent. Dont even have that deep of a k-grind groove. So I swapped to some indys I have laying around. I just hate how they are kinda unstable at center, and turn so easly. My luck with Thunder has been terrible. Broken kingpins, and now bent axle. Kinda dont want to buy them again. I guess venture is the most similar?[close]
Highly recommend Ventures. The stability is so helpful while setting up. They turn just fine, too.
Are you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?People think they do, but it's most likely in combination with other changes. Who actually gets the exact same deck with only a 1/8 wb difference? Same steepness and every other spec...
People think they do, but it's most likely in combination with other changes. Who actually gets the exact same deck with only a 1/8 wb difference? Same steepness and every other spec...Expand QuoteAre you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?[close]
People think they do, but it's most likely in combination with other changes. Who actually gets the exact same deck with only a 1/8 wb difference? Same steepness and every other spec...Expand QuoteAre you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?[close]
Yeah. Also it seems like I need to adjust my trucks when I change shapes. Cause the turning feels different. It’s weird.Expand QuotePeople think they do, but it's most likely in combination with other changes. Who actually gets the exact same deck with only a 1/8 wb difference? Same steepness and every other spec...Expand QuoteAre you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?[close][close]
Yea, most of the time it isnt just the WB changing.
even if the boards are the same width/length, the kick steepness and fingers of flat play a big role in feel.
I have a set of bones reds that are nice and broken in. Cleaned and re-lubed them. Now they only keep speed in one set of softer wheels I have. I’ve tried them in almost every other set of wheels I have and three whole ass kicks will get me maybe 20 feet. Sometimes I fucking hate skateboards.
Swiss cost twice as much as Reds and last for years and years. Unless you really can't afford the $50-60 for Swiss (I always wait for a sale), it's "pennywise, pound foolish" to be buying cheapo bearings after cheapo bearings.
Expand QuoteI have a set of bones reds that are nice and broken in. Cleaned and re-lubed them. Now they only keep speed in one set of softer wheels I have. I’ve tried them in almost every other set of wheels I have and three whole ass kicks will get me maybe 20 feet. Sometimes I fucking hate skateboards.[close]
yeah i hate skateboards too, but not as much as i hate reds.
i’ve never had a good set of reds. i’m
currently swiss, and then on another setup mini logos. the swiss are better in every way, but the mini logos are better than the other brands of bearing i’ve had recently.
i’d like to get some swiss 6, and try ceramics, but i’ll probably not, my skating doesn’t deserve or need any of that.
i do not like reds.
Swiss cost twice as much as Reds and last for years and years. Unless you really can't afford the $50-60 for Swiss (I always wait for a sale), it's "pennywise, pound foolish" to be buying cheapo bearings after cheapo bearings.
I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
Expand QuoteI’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later[close]
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later[close]
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned[close]
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later[close]
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned[close]
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later[close]
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned[close]
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.[close]
I keep one setup exactly how I like it and then have a cruiser to experiment on. Balances out the madness a bit
I'm not sure what thread this info goes best in, but for you Egg and general shape riders, Tactics now includes the width over the front and back truck on shape deck listings
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Expand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
Expand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness[close]
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness[close]
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness[close]
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated![close]
Yo! thats a come up right there. def take him up on that haha
Will make your 8.38 flip a little easier.
Id still suggest trying them on an 8.25 though. maybe 8
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
I am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..:o
:oExpand QuoteI am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..[close]
Expand Quote:oExpand QuoteI am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..[close][close]
When you wake up on earth but spend the day on Jupiter
Expand QuoteExpand Quote:oExpand QuoteI am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..[close][close]
When you wake up on earth but spend the day on Jupiter[close]
Sorry I made a mistake while writing this message.. 😂
Expand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Pretty much the same for me...
After having skated 8.0 for a long time and 139 trucks, I wanted to change size and I switched to a Baker 8.125 with Thunder 148..
I am 5.7 and 8 for foot size, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
Having taken over trucks in 139, everything was much easier and recently with a board in 8 even more.. but the lack of space to land scares me! I wonder if I should not try the 8.06 from real! But on the other hand, I like Thunder, and it bothers me a lot to see them almost new and that I don't skate them.. (the 148*), maybe I should try them with an 8.125-8.25 with a fairly short wheelbase and a length of 31.25..
I recently rode a Girl 8.25 with a 14wb on Thunder 148s and it was quite possibly the best setup I’ve ever ridden for most things. Serious match made in Heaven type of thing.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...[close]
Pretty much the same for me...
After having skated 8.0 for a long time and 139 trucks, I wanted to change size and I switched to a Baker 8.125 with Thunder 148..
I am 5.7 and 8 for foot size, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
Having taken over trucks in 139, everything was much easier and recently with a board in 8 even more.. but the lack of space to land scares me! I wonder if I should not try the 8.06 from real! But on the other hand, I like Thunder, and it bothers me a lot to see them almost new and that I don't skate them.. (the 148*), maybe I should try them with an 8.125-8.25 with a fairly short wheelbase and a length of 31.25..[close]
The 148s go really well with the Girl and Chocolate 8.125s and 8.25s. I rode those on Indys but they felt way better on my homies Thunders. Just my experience.
Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
Expand QuoteYo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol[close]
This thread is mostly about the function of gear, not so much the fashion of it. That said, if skateboarding has anything to teach, it's "be yourself." To that end, wear what you are comfortable with, and don't worry about how it "looks."
...best of luck, hopefully you are able to give up any notion of looking cool.
Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
Expand QuoteFollowing the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?[close]
This entire thread has a lot to teach. One of the big take-a-ways, however, is that there is no magic bullet. Moreover, if you are afraid to try things, skateboarding probably isn't the best choice for you. And to somewhat contradict that last statement, as been said over and over and over by anyone afflicted by the Madness...if you want your skating to remain consistent, don't fuck around (too much) with your equipment. Once you find what works, stick with it.
Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
so i sympathize when i say this: stop fucking about, go skate. you can’t land your shit, because you (and me), are spending time posting about a small difference instead of skating. go skate fucker.Expand QuoteFollowing the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?[close]
respectfully.
so i sympathize when i say this: stop fucking about, go skate. you can’t land your shit, because you (and me), are spending time posting about a small difference instead of skating. go skate fucker.
respectfully.
...skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol[close]
This thread is mostly about the function of gear, not so much the fashion of it. That said, if skateboarding has anything to teach, it's "be yourself." To that end, wear what you are comfortable with, and don't worry about how it "looks."[close]
i like the response.
i’m short, i have disproportionately short legs, and a long torso. so i should dress like elijah, to compensate (i don’t). pulling the pants up higher, would give the impression of elongating my legs, and shortening my torso.
i think a straight fit looks best, 501s etc. but…ya gotta be young and make silly choices. the baggy thing that many are doing, although a great response to the skinnies, is now kinda…
i know well the horrible state of being so uncomfortable, about most everything, that the pants make going outside, a chore. best of luck, hopefully you are able to give up any notion of looking cool.
Strangely the post your fit thread is the most positive and encouraging thread on the boards……we could learn a thing or two from it……..
So I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.
This whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.Wouldn't say just get used to whatever you have, since it can actually hold you back. Example: Super heavy feeling setup that takes all your energy just to pop onto a high legde.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate
Wouldn't say just get used to whatever you have, since it can actually hold you back. Example: Super heavy feeling setup that takes all your energy just to pop onto a high legde.Expand QuoteThis whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate[close]
But once you've found something that feels good enough on every terrain, that's the moment you need to stick with it, even when it's not 100% perfect.
Trying to find "the perfect setup for everything" that doesn't exist is where it goes downhill
Yeah I agree, find what works for you and stick with that. Shoulda made that more clear in my post but ya get me.Wouldn't say just get used to whatever you have, since it can actually hold you back. Example: Super heavy feeling setup that takes all your energy just to pop onto a high legde.Expand QuoteThis whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate[close]
But once you've found something that feels good enough on every terrain, that's the moment you need to stick with it, even when it's not 100% perfect.
Trying to find "the perfect setup for everything" that doesn't exist is where it goes downhill
Expand Quote...skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.[close]
This, exactly, has become a source of recent wheel madness for me. I am under no illusion that a 52mm Conical is going to make me skate substantively better than a 53mm Classic, but I am trying to figure which simply "feels better." The answer?
"This is no answer. There never was an answer. There never will be an answer. That is the answer." -Harry Dean Stanton
Expand QuoteExpand Quote...skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.[close]
This, exactly, has become a source of recent wheel madness for me. I am under no illusion that a 52mm Conical is going to make me skate substantively better than a 53mm Classic, but I am trying to figure which simply "feels better." The answer?
"This is no answer. There never was an answer. There never will be an answer. That is the answer." -Harry Dean Stanton[close]
I've gotta say that while I do have madness about decks and trucks, I've never cared about wheels. This is likely because when I tried Conical Fulls I got train tracked a bunch and that was the end of those and I've just randomly decided I'm going to ride F4's as they feel good enough so that leaves me with only a few options in sizes I ride. That and I've never felt wheels held me back.
One could extrapolate this ethos to other areas of skating. My good friend and life long ripper decided at some point in time he's only going to ride Indy's and 54 Classics and that he can't frontside flip on anything over 8.5 (he absolutely can I've seen him do them on a 10" cruiser). He will basically buy any 8.38 and not care if something feels worse on that setup he's just decided "these are my parameters, it is what it is"
Expand QuoteSo I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.[close]
Try Indy hard black bushings if you haven't already. I use the standard cylinders.
Use the bones top washer with them until the compress a bit.
With the thinner top washer and your weight, you should be able to get a decently turny setup while still having some stability.
Start with the nut nut flush, and tighten as needed
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.[close]
Try Indy hard black bushings if you haven't already. I use the standard cylinders.
Use the bones top washer with them until the compress a bit.
With the thinner top washer and your weight, you should be able to get a decently turny setup while still having some stability.
Start with the nut nut flush, and tighten as needed[close]
Awesome, I’ll give them a go! From my experience is bushings are one of those things you kinda do have to get into the nitty gritty with, especially if you’re a little taller and/or heavier and are going for a specific feel. Thank you
Just checking in and saying I did my annual "take apart every setup except for one main board and one cruiser" cleanse and it feels good. Makes me feel a bit more normal if I ignore the entire skateshop worth of gear I have on ice.
Just checking in and saying I did my annual "take apart every setup except for one main board and one cruiser" cleanse and it feels good. Makes me feel a bit more normal if I ignore the entire skateshop worth of gear I have on ice.
Kinda of having new cruiser set up madness right now.. I want a new cruiser for long pushes around town, some hill bombing and pump track action. I know I want something about 9" to 10" and I know I want Wheel wells.
But
Do I go short WB for squirrelly responsiveness or long WB for high speed stability?
Its down to the Antihero Raney Big Bord or the new Genius shape...
Typically I wouldn't have crosier set up madness but since I am trying not to skate to hard while I heal up its become a thing...
Kinda of having new cruiser set up madness right now.. I want a new cruiser for long pushes around town, some hill bombing and pump track action. I know I want something about 9" to 10" and I know I want Wheel wells.
But
Do I go short WB for squirrelly responsiveness or long WB for high speed stability?
Its down to the Antihero Raney Big Bord or the new Genius shape...
Typically I wouldn't have crosier set up madness but since I am trying not to skate to hard while I heal up its become a thing...
I'm having some wheelbase madness right now. I'm running an Ishod 8.3 twin tail as my main setup. It has a 14.4" wheelbase which I've traditionally thought of being too short for me but then there's been some decks where it works just fine.
I set up a new cruiser a while ago. Antihero Blue Meanie 8.75" with 14.75" wheelbase. I've skated one before as my main setup and absolutely loved it. It was a bit of a chore getting up but the pop yield was great and I felt like I could control it really well. I'm not that precise with my legs so short wheelbases and light trucks don't work too well for me usually. Now this cruiser felt almost magical. I'm on loose Ace 44 Classics with 1/8" risers and 55mm OJ Mini Super Juices and I can ollie over a bunch of stuff when cruising without hesitation. Usually it takes me a good while to warm my legs up to even attempt a first ollie, that's why cruising has been kinda meh for me if I'm in places where you have to ollie over stuff a lot but now I've been having a blast.
I haven't skated my main setup for a while but now I'm thinking it's probably not suitable for me as it certainly isn't as effortless. I think I'll give it a go once more and if I don't like it that much, I'll switch it out to something with a longer wheelbase. I've got a probably about 20 decks in my stack though. Most of them with a 14.5" wheelbase, some with 14.375" and some with 14.625", 14.75" and 15". Really not sure what to set up next. 14.5" was my thinking but then the Blue Meanie has me wanting to set up something with 14.75". Then again I could set up a 14.375" and figure out for good that it's just not my thing. 15" I don't feel like skating right now for some reason so at least there's that. Basically I'm in full kook mode right now. :-X
Expand QuoteI'm having some wheelbase madness right now. I'm running an Ishod 8.3 twin tail as my main setup. It has a 14.4" wheelbase which I've traditionally thought of being too short for me but then there's been some decks where it works just fine.
I set up a new cruiser a while ago. Antihero Blue Meanie 8.75" with 14.75" wheelbase. I've skated one before as my main setup and absolutely loved it. It was a bit of a chore getting up but the pop yield was great and I felt like I could control it really well. I'm not that precise with my legs so short wheelbases and light trucks don't work too well for me usually. Now this cruiser felt almost magical. I'm on loose Ace 44 Classics with 1/8" risers and 55mm OJ Mini Super Juices and I can ollie over a bunch of stuff when cruising without hesitation. Usually it takes me a good while to warm my legs up to even attempt a first ollie, that's why cruising has been kinda meh for me if I'm in places where you have to ollie over stuff a lot but now I've been having a blast.
I haven't skated my main setup for a while but now I'm thinking it's probably not suitable for me as it certainly isn't as effortless. I think I'll give it a go once more and if I don't like it that much, I'll switch it out to something with a longer wheelbase. I've got a probably about 20 decks in my stack though. Most of them with a 14.5" wheelbase, some with 14.375" and some with 14.625", 14.75" and 15". Really not sure what to set up next. 14.5" was my thinking but then the Blue Meanie has me wanting to set up something with 14.75". Then again I could set up a 14.375" and figure out for good that it's just not my thing. 15" I don't feel like skating right now for some reason so at least there's that. Basically I'm in full kook mode right now. :-X[close]
I have a DLX 8.75/14.62 (159 forged) set-up as my cruiser / big ramp board. Usually run 54mm/99a Classics or Conicals on it. If I’m going full cruise, mighy throw 80HDs on it. This set-up gets me in trouble sometimes. If I ride it too much, I start to really, really like it for some things, and then my regular 8.25 begins to feel impossibly small. Yeah, the 8.75 is a tank on some stuff, but it’s just so stable and comfy on other stuff (e.g. Smith grinds). Sometimes it’s really hard to “go smaller” when you’ve been riding a bigger board for awhile, so be careful what you’re doing with bigger WBs! Madness will ensue!
Also, I’ve been thinking about setting up a bigger full-on dedicated cruiser, but haven’t actually done it, because I’m not sure if I want to open that door.
i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Expand Quotei've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch[close]
Crail is calling
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotei've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch[close]
Crail is calling[close]
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc[close]
@23:20 @Fletschinger spits about the mini logo
I bet @Sativa Lung knows whats up with these as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
i feel you on the powell tip. There are certain things i'm not going to do- such as buy an element deck, regardless of low price. this video is the only reason i'd consider a mini logo. although, my first real deck was purple mini logo in probably 1997/98, i'm not really trying to go there at this time but... i going to end up snagging one of these 8s and see what happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotei've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch[close]
Crail is calling[close]
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc[close]
@23:20 @Fletschinger spits about the mini logo
I bet @Sativa Lung knows whats up with these as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
i feel you on the powell tip. There are certain things i'm not going to do- such as buy an element deck, regardless of low price. this video is the only reason i'd consider a mini logo. although, my first real deck was purple mini logo in probably 1997/98, i'm not really trying to go there at this time but... i going to end up snagging one of these 8s and see what happens.[close]
Why no Element? Not judging, just wondering g what I missed. And you know you’ve got the madness when you’re factoring in your house’s pitch into kick angle measurements.
Real shit though, I use my iPhone’s level to measure kick angle. My favorite board (G069) is a hair over 18°.[close]
;D westgate is the shit and all, but element is wack and i'd rather give my hard earned diminishing funds to my local shop/company etc. I wrote that mostly in response to people going bonkers over $15-20 element decks a few weeks back and me and some others saying/thinking "weak, element sucks..." Standard BBS shapes is what people are looking for in that run and I can support my local who sells BBS shop decks for a $20 more that's going to go into the community. Ordering a mini logo feels kind of uncomfortable too, but it may serve a purpose.
For 3 flips…..isn’t magic carpet better than hot rod?
Expand QuoteFor 3 flips…..isn’t magic carpet better than hot rod?[close]
I'd say so
Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Expand QuoteAnyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?[close]
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
Can remove the axel washers as well if you haven’t already.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor 3 flips…..isn’t magic carpet better than hot rod?[close]
I'd say so[close]
I’d agree but I’d also say from experience that as long as half the wheel isn’t sticking out on hot rod, you can still fairly easily do 3flips
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?[close]
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?[close]
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.
Continuation to my previous wheelbase madness kookery:
I was thinking of getting a fish scale to start measuring the force needed to get the front of the deck up. Pair that knowledge with the pop angle measured with my phone and estimate based on that how the board would work for me. I told about this to my girlfriend who just looked at me like I’m insane (which I’m definitely not at all! :) )
Instead of doing all that I switched from the 8.3” Ishod TT to DLX 8.38” and had a great session just a while ago. So, madness curbed (for now at least). :)
Continuation to my previous wheelbase madness kookery:
I was thinking of getting a fish scale to start measuring the force needed to get the front of the deck up. Pair that knowledge with the pop angle measured with my phone and estimate based on that how the board would work for me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?[close]
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?[close]
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.[close]
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?[close]
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?[close]
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.[close]
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.[close]
The Manderson is a great shape, it's very similar to the AWS and Proto but just a bit mellower shape-wise...if it was just a bit shorter/trimmer all around I'd be golden. Gonna try the gall and hope for the best.
It could also feel too big because I've been on sub 32" boards with 14 <-> 14.18 WB for the last 3 boards so a 32" + 14.25 (and a full square shape) feels mighty hefty. If I skate park on the regular this would be the one.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?[close]
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?[close]
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.[close]
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.[close]
The Manderson is a great shape, it's very similar to the AWS and Proto but just a bit mellower shape-wise...if it was just a bit shorter/trimmer all around I'd be golden. Gonna try the gall and hope for the best.
It could also feel too big because I've been on sub 32" boards with 14 <-> 14.18 WB for the last 3 boards so a 32" + 14.25 (and a full square shape) feels mighty hefty. If I skate park on the regular this would be the one.[close]
length is my currently my favorite criteria. i’ve been going way short, and it’s been easier for most things.
Got some Fastbreak Pros for $35. Debating if I should skate or put ‘em on ice. I already rotate between three pair of skate shoes 😖got the same, fellow size 13’er right? Probably use em as summer chillers to start and break in then start skating em eventually
Yup! They look great. I lowkey want to use them as chillers too. But I’m trying to not wear skate shoes daily. Need to Ultraboost for running around.got the same, fellow size 13’er right? Probably use em as summer chillers to start and break in then start skating em eventuallyExpand QuoteGot some Fastbreak Pros for $35. Debating if I should skate or put ‘em on ice. I already rotate between three pair of skate shoes 😖[close]
Proud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”which sci fi deck?
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.
This one. I swear the tail is as steep as the nose. It’s wild 😭(https://i.ibb.co/D45kMHF/IMG-3171.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D45kMHF)which sci fi deck?Expand QuoteProud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.[close]
Shoe size madness has crept back in. After deciding that most shoes in an 11 is the perfect fit they’ve all the sudden started to feel too big. What gives? The madness started when trying out slip-ons and the 11 just flops right off my feet. Now I’m wondering if I should have gone with 10.5 this whole time. I used to cram my feet into 10s and after sizing up lost almost all my flip tricks for a while. I don’t want to buy a 10.5 and have buyers remorse. I guess my question is:
How much room is too much room?
If say an 11 is too big in a Vans slip-on then is it also too big in a Halfcab?
Anyone else have this madness?
Proud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.
Came here for someone to tell me I'm tripping and it's all good. I've been having deck size madness lately. I'm 6'2" with size 13 squatch feet, and for the past 2 years I've been on 8.25s, stacking up any I find on sale, but my feet hang over on both sides, which doesn't bother me on tricks, I really only think about it when I'm looking at a new deck to set up. I recently copped a few 8.38s and like it, but feel I need to go to 8.5. I skate pretty much all terrain. I listened to Shecks nine club, and dude was saying hes got like size 10 shoes on a 9" board because of the same madness. No way I'm going to 9", and my thought process is that back in the day guys would ride 7.75 decks with size 13 kicks no problem. Sorry for the long coffee fueled post, I just want to be satisfied with my setup, without longing for something else.i have the same size foot skating 8.75-9.25
Came here for someone to tell me I'm tripping and it's all good. I've been having deck size madness lately. I'm 6'2" with size 13 squatch feet, and for the past 2 years I've been on 8.25s, stacking up any I find on sale, but my feet hang over on both sides, which doesn't bother me on tricks, I really only think about it when I'm looking at a new deck to set up. I recently copped a few 8.38s and like it, but feel I need to go to 8.5. I skate pretty much all terrain. I listened to Shecks nine club, and dude was saying hes got like size 10 shoes on a 9" board because of the same madness. No way I'm going to 9", and my thought process is that back in the day guys would ride 7.75 decks with size 13 kicks no problem. Sorry for the long coffee fueled post, I just want to be satisfied with my setup, without longing for something else.
My current madness is that I feel the need to keep skating my thunders down to the axle, but there's no kingpin clearance anymore and it sucks. They would be my first set to get down all the way. Been skating them for about two years (no slappies), on a symmetrical board so they should be axled right around the same time at the same spots. Not sure if the crook or 5050/5-0/smith/feeble spot is going to axle first.
My current madness is that I feel the need to keep skating my thunders down to the axle, but there's no kingpin clearance anymore and it sucks. They would be my first set to get down all the way. Been skating them for about two years (no slappies), on a symmetrical board so they should be axled right around the same time at the same spots. Not sure if the crook or 5050/5-0/smith/feeble spot is going to axle first.
As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Expand QuoteAs the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.[close]
Gamechanger in a bad way?
How so? If the grip holds the bolts, you don't even need a screwdriver to change your trucks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAs the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.[close]
Gamechanger in a bad way?[close]
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.
How so? If the grip holds the bolts, you don't even need a screwdriver to change your trucks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAs the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.[close]
Gamechanger in a bad way?[close]
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.[close]
Expand QuoteHow so? If the grip holds the bolts, you don't even need a screwdriver to change your trucks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAs the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.[close]
Gamechanger in a bad way?[close]
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.[close][close]
I know you are trolling, but anyone who would consider doing that and riding titty twistered grip like that is sick and needs to be put down.
Not trolling, that actually works. Neither grip nor bolt will move if you carefully tighten/loosen the nut using only a skate tool. At least it worked with mob some years agoExpand QuoteHow so? If the grip holds the bolts, you don't even need a screwdriver to change your trucks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAs the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.[close]
Gamechanger in a bad way?[close]
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.[close][close]
I know you are trolling, but anyone who would consider doing that and riding titty twistered grip like that is sick and needs to be put down.
Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there IJust go back to what you've been riding most of the time in those 16 years you skated. That might be the only way out of this. Stick to one setup that worked great in the past. You've been posting the same problem for months now, it's time to stop thinking about gear and actually skate. Don't do this to yourself. But if you do, I don't think anyone on slap can help you, but therapy might. And this isn't an insult, absolutely everbody could gain a lot by going to therapy. I sure did
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Stevie does it…..what do you think his exit strategy is?Set up a brand new complete every time he needs to change trucks because he is Stevie Williams.
I think I have a decent antidote to the gear madness now. This week I got nervous about the gear. Over the last years, I've handed down stuff to unemployed friends, but still have few trucks and boards. So, set up a complete, got hyped and built expectations. Then went for a session, which was a complete shitshow. Nothing worked as I wanted. Came back to home, and (here's the antidote) disassembled the complete, put parts back to the box and made a mental note to pass them on.
Doesn't matter if it was just bad luck or bad day or actually because of the setup. I have a proven consistent complete, no need create alternatives to fix something that is not broken.
Just go back to what you've been riding most of the time in those 16 years you skated. That might be the only way out of this. Stick to one setup that worked great in the past. You've been posting the same problem for months now, it's time to stop thinking about gear and actually skate. Don't do this to yourself. But if you do, I don't think anyone on slap can help you, but therapy might. And this isn't an insult, absolutely everbody could gain a lot by going to therapy. I sure did
Honestly, the most important thing is to have fun for me. While progressing is fun in it's own way, being way too in your head about random stuff like your style and bag of tricks isn't. Some sessions are good, some are better, and other are just horrible, and that's OK.
I'm definitely not the best skater in my town, but whenever I go, I have fun. That's all that matters for me. I like to go fast, do the tricks I can do as well as I can, and work on some tricks I think I could get, which doesn't always work out.
I always see dudes who are really freaking good at skating freak tf out, getting super mad because they didn't land their crazy flip in/flip out trick or something, and they don't look like they're having the best time. Unless you get paid to skate, there's no reason to take it this seriously. On the contrary, I spend a shit ton of money on skate stuff, so I might as well enjoy it otherwise what's the point?
As for your question about "does the setup have an effect on your progress", I'd say changing your setup constantly is gonna have a negative effect on your progress for sure, while getting to know your own setup and adjusting to it is gonna make everything much easier, at least for me. There is no mystical, magical setup that's gonna make someone a better skater, otherwise everyone would be skating the same shit. It's all about preference, influence and the type of skating you do.
In short: have fun and don't be too hard on yourself. Just go skate.
First of all. Mad props that you can talk so open about that. And I totally understand you. I am skating for 20 years now and there are days, where I feel absolutely terrible about my skills (check my signature under my post if you are interested). Anyway, you come off as really passionate and skateboarding is very important to you.
But, bad sessions are a part of that all. We all have those from time to time. We might have these expectations in our head, how we would like to do certain things.
I had a long talk yesterday with my homies, the key is, to let go of these expectations. Try to push yourself BUT always keep it fun. We all tend to be our own worst critic sometimes. That's where my feeling comes from, to never be happy with the things you do. It sucks and I need to work on that mentality.
These are my personal thoughts about that all, others might disagree with me here, but..
The best influence on personal progress is to stick with a specific setup which you feel comfortable on and ride that most of the time. Of course, try different things if you see a reason why you should change something. But no matter what, there just isn't one exact perfect setup for someone. My advice would be, to either stick with the Ventures or the Indys and try different foot placements for example. Ventures and Indys are very different trucks and I personally would tend to the Indys but that is for you to decide where you feel more comfortable. Skateboarding is mad difficult and will always be. Most people on this planet can't even ride one without falling.
Keep your head up mate and remember why you started skating. Because it is the most fun thing in the world.
Much love. <3
because they make up the majority of the market? ie. PS boards are not easy to find always....True. I have some on ice, but BBS is way easier to find sadly. I know Toy Machine and Pizza use them.
because they make up the majority of the market? ie. PS boards are not easy to find always....
Has anyone gone from 1/4” risers and 58mm wheels to no risers and like 52/54mm wheels? Interesting to know what your experience was like.
I was on 1/8 risers and 60mm wheels for some time. Honestly everything got so much easier with the 52-54mm wheels. Large wheels are cool to just roll around but when it comes to actual performance smaller wheels are so much better.
Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?
Expand QuoteHelp me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..[close]
Hey mate, we haven't heard back from you.
I hope you feel better today. :)
Expand QuoteWhen fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?[close]
You can't skate 53/54 on lows. I wheelbite often on 50s.
Personally, I'd suggest the 5.2 V-Light highs, because I think 5.2 casts are a lil too tall proportionally.
Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.
Just ordered a Girl board. I don’t have madness per se, but I’m always worried I’ll find a shape I love and it’ll be discounted/hard to track down. Crailtap having a shape guide should be the standard for every brand. Plus my first board was a Chocolate and I really loved that thing (still have it since I started skating last year).
Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.
I’ve shifted focus to little goals. Like getting better at pushing and riding switch, improving my balance with yoga, etc. It’s best to have a chill approach to skating if you’re not trying to go pro.
There’s a lot of negative self-talk in the community. I hate when folks are like, “Oh I suck.” No you don’t. The average person can’t even ride a skateboard. If you can do that without falling off every five seconds you don’t suck.
I think the issue is we’re exposed to amazing, super human skateboarding on the daily. So we rank ourselves next to pros. You don’t see this happening in other hobbies. Like guys who hoop don’t go around saying, “I suck, did you see what Lebron did last night?”
The madness comes from us wanting to be as good as possible. But it’s really a mental health issue. I know I suffer from OCD, anxiety, and depression. So it’s easy for me to focus on the wrong things.
Expand QuoteGlad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.[close]
I completely agree on this! I've been thinking lately that one factor might be that well, I used to have hours and hours daily for skateboarding younger, as today I only have few hours a week, if even that. What starts as rational thinking to get your setup to work as well as possible for getitng most out of those moments ends up to substitute of skateboarding, overanalysing the measurements and what not.
As I've said before, every second on the board is a gift at this point. I should remember it also when not landing so many tricks as I used to.
I also think that there's lot of wisdom in the "the older he gets the better he was"...
So what you're both saying is to gaslight myself into thinking I've always been shit and when I have a half-decent day I should be ecstatic, got it.
Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.If you got the parts try setting up a Venture baseplate (I use cast) / Thunder hanger and either stock Venture bushings or indys if you ride loose. There's some magic in it I swear. It's like 85% of the Royal turn with the Venture stability. Mess with diff bushings if it doesn't feel right, there's a bushing sweetspot for sure.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.
Totally. I have more money than time. Which is why I have twenty decks on ice. It’s so easy to go wild when $60 is nothing to you as an adult. But when you were younger that seemed like a lot. It’s funny (sad) I skate twice a week and probably have more gear than some pros 😭Expand QuoteKids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.[close]
Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.
On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.
I agree with regular adults not having the time to progress at the rate of kids but I also find most older guys waste away the time they do have to skate bullshitting at the spot. I get that its fun to hang out but you can't complain about being shitty at it if you spend none of the free time you do have actually trying.Expand QuoteKids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.[close]
Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.
On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.
Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.I feel you brother. I got a G016 because it was mad cheap and I was like "let's see how this tiny tail works". Jesus I was so naive... Hated the thing, tried to make it work 3 times and it was just a waste of time. Yesterday didn't even skated and instead of that I went to get a t-shirt that I liked.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
i like this thread.
i currently have the madness.
i been skating a 9" symmetrical egg and i love the eggs but wanted something a bit smaller to have easier flips.
I ordered the Grimplestix Egg 8.75 and it tapers over the back truck so that you can see the wheels. this drives me crazy so im immediately like no i cant skate this.. so then i go to my local and they have ZERO eggs. i decided to get a 8.75 polar popsicle deck. this feels do bad and weird and i cannot gel with it. so not im sitting on 3 or 4 different decks and dont want to skate any of them really.
i've been going crazy trying to find the specs for the 8.88 heroin eggs bc i think i would like that better than the 9'. the issue is they like trying to find a unicorn right now, so the alternative is the double shovel symmetrical deck from heroin. the Mandy double shovel with the mac n cheese goblin.
Do any of you have experience with double shovel decks?
im currently skating indy 159s and would prefer not to have to buy another set of trucks, but if i want to go down in deck size i think i may have to.
ugh how do you decide without being able to hold the board in your hands first?
Expand Quotei like this thread.
i currently have the madness.
i been skating a 9" symmetrical egg and i love the eggs but wanted something a bit smaller to have easier flips.
I ordered the Grimplestix Egg 8.75 and it tapers over the back truck so that you can see the wheels. this drives me crazy so im immediately like no i cant skate this.. so then i go to my local and they have ZERO eggs. i decided to get a 8.75 polar popsicle deck. this feels do bad and weird and i cannot gel with it. so not im sitting on 3 or 4 different decks and dont want to skate any of them really.
i've been going crazy trying to find the specs for the 8.88 heroin eggs bc i think i would like that better than the 9'. the issue is they like trying to find a unicorn right now, so the alternative is the double shovel symmetrical deck from heroin. the Mandy double shovel with the mac n cheese goblin.
Do any of you have experience with double shovel decks?
im currently skating indy 159s and would prefer not to have to buy another set of trucks, but if i want to go down in deck size i think i may have to.
ugh how do you decide without being able to hold the board in your hands first?[close]
Check this post, more so for the good top pic of a double shovel deck - not sure if it is the same shape you are curious about, but I know I have found some good pics of tops of boards to really get a good look and some places will have a lot more info and specs too, eg the over the truck measurements from Conflict Skate Shop and now even Tactics to some degree really help with that.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125937.0
Mandy dimensions below 9 at widest probably closer to 8.6 over trucks.
Width (in): 9.0
Length (in): 31.75
Wheelbase (in): 14.25
Nose (in): 6.75
Tail (in): 6.81
https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/heroin-dead-dave-lives---double-shovel--skateboard-deck-90-x-3175-green--pool-ramp-32878-p.asp
9.0" x 31.75"
7.0" nose
6.625" tail
14.25" WB (measured from inner to inner holes)
New hole truck pattern
Width over front truck : 8.875"
Width over rear truck : 9.0"
This one more just as an example:
https://www.tactics.com/heroin/space-egg-2-94-skateboard-deck/teal
SPECS
SIZE 9.4
FRONT WIDTH (IN): 9.125
CENTER WIDTH (IN): 9.4
BACK WIDTH (IN): 9.25
LENGTH (IN): 32.06
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.5
NOSE (IN): 7.25
TAIL (IN): 6.375
I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.That’s awesome!
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.I'm curious regarding what are those "not right tools"
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
Thunder titanium 148That’s awesome!Expand QuoteI just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)[close]
What trucks do you ride? I like the v3’s as well but haven’t had a set in a couple of years
Well all I had was griptape and a rasp that was a bit too smooth for the jobI'm curious regarding what are those "not right tools"Expand QuoteI just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)[close]
Been trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)
In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
Expand QuoteIn the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?[close]
Yes, I'm always struggling with trucks madness too. I was on Thunders with 1/8" wooden risers for a good while and I know that I do my best skating on these. Now I've been back on Indy and while I like the feel of Indys, I feel like I don't skate quite as well on them. I've also tried Ace AF1 hollows, which were also pretty good, as well as Ventures, which I didn't really give a chance to. I'm trying to stick with Indy atm but I often miss how crispy my tricks were on Thunders a lot. Might setup the Ventures again and actually give them time to break in. People seem to really like them so they can't be that bad. I just don't wanna buy new Thunders as I already have 3 pairs of trucks laying around.
This madness shit is no joke.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?[close]
Yes, I'm always struggling with trucks madness too. I was on Thunders with 1/8" wooden risers for a good while and I know that I do my best skating on these. Now I've been back on Indy and while I like the feel of Indys, I feel like I don't skate quite as well on them. I've also tried Ace AF1 hollows, which were also pretty good, as well as Ventures, which I didn't really give a chance to. I'm trying to stick with Indy atm but I often miss how crispy my tricks were on Thunders a lot. Might setup the Ventures again and actually give them time to break in. People seem to really like them so they can't be that bad. I just don't wanna buy new Thunders as I already have 3 pairs of trucks laying around.
This madness shit is no joke.[close]
Ya I had the same experience. At the end of the day if the landings are shit and you're landing less, the Indys are holding you back. Stick with the Ventures. I can do the same shit on all the trucks I have skated with some differences in height, quality, etc., but at the end of the day you improve by repetition. If you do 1 beastly kickflip out of 10 on Indys and whiff 50% of your nollie tricks but boost the other half that is less useful for learning than if you do 8/10 kickflips on Ventures and don't whiff any nollie tricks but pop em a bit lower.
I hated Ventures in the past and got some V-Lights in a trade and put them on my 14.38WB deck, which I was convinced you just can't ride with Ventures. I had mostly used them on 14.25 in the past. "Effective WB" be damned I am more consistent on them for almost all types of tricks than Indys and was on par with Thunder in sesh 1. Since then I have gotten used to the timing and 3 weeks later am on par with Thunder. I've tried cast as well and it takes about an hour or two to adjust from the V-lights.
Now I have 3 types of trucks I can run and get used to depending on what I am feeling. Its not a bad thing if you let go of there only being one thing you can ride forever out of some sort of brand loyalty.
Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
Expand QuoteHonestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.[close]
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHonestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.[close]
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.[close]
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHonestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.[close]
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.[close]
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.[close]
Thanks for the info. I’ve been madness-free for awhile. We need to change that. :)
In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHonestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.[close]
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.[close]
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.[close]
Thanks for the info. I’ve been madness-free for awhile. We need to change that. :)[close]
Approximately 53.5 on cast plates and 52 on forged plates.
@rocklobster has it in signature with the exact measurements:
Signature:
Venture Truck Height:
5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm
5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m
Venture thread (if you really want to tech out):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108614.4740
Expand QuoteBeen trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)[close]
Two 1/8" risers on that set up?
Expand QuoteIn the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?[close]
So just reading back over your posts, you are currently on Indy stage 4 reissues and stage 9 trucks?
[ That's correct. Stage 4's on my 8.0 and I set up the stage 9's on an FA thinking they where 139's but they are in fact 129's. :-X It's actually nice and feels right. lol ]
I would say the reissues would be a bit more turny than anything else, especially current versions, but what I was going to say more than anything is the bushings will make or break the feeling of pop and landing tricks, especially if they are not solid enough, so using harder bushings might be something to try to firm up the feeling on Indy trucks.
[ I'd switched the red bushings with the aftermarket "soft" red ones already. So its a bit firmer.]
Sure it is not going to change things completely to feel like Ventures, but I noticed that right away when I tried slightly harder bushings in my usual stage 9, 10 and 11 Indy standard trucks, things just seemed to work better and I was having fewer balance issues - getting older, being more lazy with tricks, not bending knees enough, etc.
[Looking at my footage I think it's the way I skate that's the issue, I squat a lot and when I go to pop, No Antwuan here. I can see that the board starts to tilt a bit and I lean. Then with my landings if its not bolts then I'm carving out and stepping off. On the Ventures Its a stable launch. If that makes any sense.]
Just a thought anyway, but I have seen others post similar things on here as well as skating with others to test things like that too.
It clearly sounds like forcing looseness is an issue for your ability to actually do tricks. Leave things stable and learn to lean more. Unless you're skating really tight transition or constricted street spots there isn't any reason you need some specific level of looseness.
Just look at how tight Reynolds rides his trucks. It's not a shameful thing. Even local transition skaters I've met ride much tighter than your average Slap poster and they skate way gnarlier shit.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)[close]
Two 1/8" risers on that set up?[close]
2 Real 3-ply risers and then two stacked Ace 1/16" shock pads. So 3/8" total. Sounds nuts but on a board with pretty much zero concave it just feel like a normal concave board with 1/4" risers. I'm skating transition and curbs and more into the surf feel of skating so I'm used to being high off the ground and have no issues with stability or feeling "tippy".
Expand QuoteIt clearly sounds like forcing looseness is an issue for your ability to actually do tricks. Leave things stable and learn to lean more. Unless you're skating really tight transition or constricted street spots there isn't any reason you need some specific level of looseness.
Just look at how tight Reynolds rides his trucks. It's not a shameful thing. Even local transition skaters I've met ride much tighter than your average Slap poster and they skate way gnarlier shit.[close]
For sure! I'll go back and watch. Watching the Huf video again right now and everyone's boards are solid and stable.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?[close]
So just reading back over your posts, you are currently on Indy stage 4 reissues and stage 9 trucks?
[ That's correct. Stage 4's on my 8.0 and I set up the stage 9's on an FA thinking they where 139's but they are in fact 129's. :-X It's actually nice and feels right. lol ]
I would say the reissues would be a bit more turny than anything else, especially current versions, but what I was going to say more than anything is the bushings will make or break the feeling of pop and landing tricks, especially if they are not solid enough, so using harder bushings might be something to try to firm up the feeling on Indy trucks.
[ I'd switched the red bushings with the aftermarket "soft" red ones already. So its a bit firmer.]
Sure it is not going to change things completely to feel like Ventures, but I noticed that right away when I tried slightly harder bushings in my usual stage 9, 10 and 11 Indy standard trucks, things just seemed to work better and I was having fewer balance issues - getting older, being more lazy with tricks, not bending knees enough, etc.
[Looking at my footage I think it's the way I skate that's the issue, I squat a lot and when I go to pop, No Antwuan here. I can see that the board starts to tilt a bit and I lean. Then with my landings if its not bolts then I'm carving out and stepping off. On the Ventures Its a stable launch. If that makes any sense.]
Just a thought anyway, but I have seen others post similar things on here as well as skating with others to test things like that too.[close]
I set up some 5.2's last night on the 8.0 and just doing a few tre flips was such a huge difference. Maybe I should try the loose truck kit...That might just defeat the whole ordeal tho.
I'm sure most of us could benefit from skating a bit faster as I have almost never seen a single unsponsored skater skating too fast.
Re your Venture trucks:
Even just trying the existing bushings without the bottom washer will give you a lot more turn just to sample what that feels like, then put the washer back on and enjoy the stable board feeling.
The loose truck bushing kit is great for having green bushings, or a lower head, or even a bit more give in the trucks if you don't feel like the stock bushings with washers and nut flush is giving you enough turn, but for a normal weight person riding them with the kingpin nut flush, those things are so loose they are detrimental to most normal skating, unless you are like Daewon in ankle strength.
I like them, but I definitely don't run the nut flush and have the wobbly loose feeling on the set of Ventures I had them in.
88A Supercush with flat top washer unlocks a lot of turn in the end of the turn.
Expand Quote88A Supercush with flat top washer unlocks a lot of turn in the end of the turn.[close]
I've spent the last two days back on the Ventures, and it's been great. The best part? I landed my first switch tre! I've been tweaking them back and fourth, and I think I've found a good balance for now. My buddy skates V-lights, which is funny because I have dismissed forged-cast trucks since trying forged Indys a while ago. But now, I question everything, again.lol
Thanks everyone my switch tre land is dedicated to the madness support. haha
My nollie heel came at 48 and the switch tre never happened, a few horrific switch impossibles is all I could muster…
Venture Hi IMO is the most flippable trucks….you can actually put pressure and get leverage….you try to do that on aces and you’ve turned like three times….
Fuck yes! switch tre is on my bucket list. I want a switch tre and a nollie heel within the next two years (before I am 50). I was never a tech dude... but I've been close to both of these tricks.
and now I feel like I need to start thinking about a set up to help me achieve these flatground goals... damn... loose Aces on my Huffer might not be the best flip trick set up. back to a Couch/Loveseat? Loveseat plus on some Thunders and small wheels?
I had a decent amount of flip trick success on the Couch shape with 151s... but the short wheelbase really fucked with my kick flips... I think its either a loveseat plus or an 8.5" pop with 14.25" WB. I'd rather not buy new trucks at this point so its either 151s or hard bushings and tighter AF1 55s/60s.
My nollie heel came at 48 and the switch tre never happened, a few horrific switch impossibles is all I could muster…
Venture Hi IMO is the most flippable trucks….you can actually put pressure and get leverage….you try to do that on aces and you’ve turned like three times….
my local usually is great at managing these things and has bin for donations. I often keep board in my car and give them away when I see people. I actually enjoy trying to piece together a set up from old parts and give away a set up. I guess FB market place wouldn't be a bad idea, even just to sell it as bulk 'must take all' for pizza or something...Oh I won’t try to sell anything lol. You can post free stuff on marketplace. And that sounds fun. I plan on giving away my setup with Ace 44s. I’m convinced they’re not good trucks for bigger folks. Gotta crank them way down and they still turn too much lol
I've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.
Try cast Ventures. To be they feel less hefty for everything but Tre flips or shuvs. Or Thunders are still more stable on center IMO.
Expand QuoteI've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.[close]
Re Indys, try harder after-market Indy bushings.
Re Ace, if you think Indy is too twitchy, you will HATE Ace trucks. Hard stop.
Does cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol
Expand QuoteDoes cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol[close]
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
The conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts it is the different material (yellow for the mediums, black for the hard) that forms the sleeve and just the general materials used. Thunder and Indy conicals do not blow out nearly as fast or crumble the way that Bones do. My Thunder bushings split from the washer digging in, but with a flat washer they had zero issues whereas Bones are fucked no matter what you do.
Unfortunately Supercush seem to be vanishing from the internet. The Thunder replacements come in 90 and 94 and if the 94 are too hard for you try the stock bottom and 94 top. You will get a lot of lean but the hard top will assist in resisting wheelbite at the end of the turn.
The conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts...
I agree, thanks for your insight, what bushings you running man? Also if you dont mind whats your weight? I can confirm 6 ft 175lbs will implode bones mediums lol I ride medium tightness trucks
Expand QuoteI agree, thanks for your insight, what bushings you running man? Also if you dont mind whats your weight? I can confirm 6 ft 175lbs will implode bones mediums lol I ride medium tightness trucks[close]
I ride Indys with 92a (blue) barrels. 5'11'', and 170-175lbs.
Expand QuoteDoes cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol[close]
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
I had a PS stix 8" deck that just wasn't working for me on venture lows, so I bit the bullet on 5.2 v-light hi to get the forged plate and it felt incredible. But for some of my other decks I might try something else, the pivot cup squeak is gonna drive me insane lol, it sounds like my aunt's 1999 Eddie Bouer Explorer suspension.
Expand QuoteThe conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts it is the different material (yellow for the mediums, black for the hard) that forms the sleeve and just the general materials used. Thunder and Indy conicals do not blow out nearly as fast or crumble the way that Bones do. My Thunder bushings split from the washer digging in, but with a flat washer they had zero issues whereas Bones are fucked no matter what you do.
Unfortunately Supercush seem to be vanishing from the internet. The Thunder replacements come in 90 and 94 and if the 94 are too hard for you try the stock bottom and 94 top. You will get a lot of lean but the hard top will assist in resisting wheelbite at the end of the turn.[close]
Same to you man, what bushings are you running and whats your weight? Trying to see what other people are doing to use as a reference point to end this madness haha
Expand QuoteDoes cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol[close]
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
Bones bushings get way too much hype in my opinion. Stock bushings in Indys and Ventures cover most needs and last longer than Bones. And as Slappers above stated, if the orange stock Indys feel too soft (GIVE THEM TIME FIRST), the blue 92s are the bee's knees.
I tried them in Thunders, Royals, and maybe Silvers. Not sure if I tried them in Indy once I committed to riding those full time since 2010. Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
Took my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲
Expand QuoteTook my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲[close]
I hear you, I feel you. BUT the more the merrier, no? :D I don't think I can be properly monagamic, ever. At least I gotta have a specific setup for big transition that is obviously quite a bit different from what I ride when I want to hit curbs and flatground. I mean, yeah, if you're good enough, one setup can be enough, but I'm not Grant Taylor.
Having said that, I've also steered towards a one setup approach recently. If I'm not hitting something like near-vert transition, I tend to ride an 8.25 with 144 Indys or 5.6 Venture His pretty much everywhere. But still, that 8.125 in the corner keeps whispering in my ear when I plan to hit the techier street spots...
I do it every 3 months, it always comes back.Expand QuoteI had a PS stix 8" deck that just wasn't working for me on venture lows, so I bit the bullet on 5.2 v-light hi to get the forged plate and it felt incredible. But for some of my other decks I might try something else, the pivot cup squeak is gonna drive me insane lol, it sounds like my aunt's 1999 Eddie Bouer Explorer suspension.[close]
lots of solutions for this. soap. cum. bike grease. dish soap. motor oil. bar soap.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTook my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲[close]
I hear you, I feel you. BUT the more the merrier, no? :D I don't think I can be properly monagamic, ever. At least I gotta have a specific setup for big transition that is obviously quite a bit different from what I ride when I want to hit curbs and flatground. I mean, yeah, if you're good enough, one setup can be enough, but I'm not Grant Taylor.
Having said that, I've also steered towards a one setup approach recently. If I'm not hitting something like near-vert transition, I tend to ride an 8.25 with 144 Indys or 5.6 Venture His pretty much everywhere. But still, that 8.125 in the corner keeps whispering in my ear when I plan to hit the techier street spots...[close]
My .02 cents...
I think it also depends on why you have different set-ups. I have three. 8.25, 8.75, and a Black Label Street Thing. The 8.25 is my main ride. But, as I've said many times before, sometimes shit just feels better on a bigger board. Without question, I actually skate better on the 8.25, but at least for me, skating is not always about skating at my maximum potential 100% of the time. Sometimes I just like the better feeling of Smith grind on my 8.75. I really love Chicken Korma, but if I had to eat it every single meal of my life, I'd prolly grow sick of it. Sex is fun, but always doing in the same position wouldn't feel as good. Reasonable variety can make things better at times.
Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
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Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.[close]
A few people I know ride the Bones bushings in anything and everything and customise the height / angle with or without added washers depending on whether the bushings are new, old or whatever truck they are in.
Bones hards are the usual go to though, starting off just the bushings and maybe the Bones flat washer on top, then as they break in and soften up some / flatten down, they add in the usual washers, or two top Indy washers - the smaller ones - on both top and bottom as you would for any other set of conical bushings.
I have skated one guys board from just putting them in to being well worn in and they work in any trucks - Indy, Venture, Thunder being what they ride, so although I am not really a fan of how they perform, the Bones hard bushings hold up well enough for the most part for the skating that they do and they don't go easy on them, that's for sure.
To note, this guy switches things out every other month or less as well, so there are a lot of sets of well used Bones hard bushings floating around in my spare parts area, way more than any other brand of bushings, but that is what he rides, so I don't argue.
I've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxTJvxitrGl/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.
Expand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/reel/CxTJvxitrGl/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.[close]
I guess it was only a matter of time until we got Alibaba brand skateboard components.
Expand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/reel/CxTJvxitrGl/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.[close]
I guess it was only a matter of time until we got Alibaba brand skateboard components.
Expand QuoteBones bushings get way too much hype in my opinion. Stock bushings in Indys and Ventures cover most needs and last longer than Bones. And as Slappers above stated, if the orange stock Indys feel too soft (GIVE THEM TIME FIRST), the blue 92s are the bee's knees.[close]
Just bought some conical 92s to throw in my cruiser so I can be surfing but stable while rolling around. If I like em enough may get an extra set for my main setup. Currently on 90 conical
I was a Bones bushings fanatic (medium hard was my go to) when I was a teenager. Their gimmick (be it valid or placebo) was that the bushings were good to go right away. That appealed to me as a teenager because I was impatient and didn't wanna break in bushings for whatever trucks I skated. However, like Lakais that break in quick, they wear out quick so I do recall getting 50-70% of lifespan in them compared to my Indy bushings. I had quality at the cost of durability.
I tried them in Thunders, Royals, and maybe Silvers. Not sure if I tried them in Indy once I committed to riding those full time since 2010. Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love withBuy what you like. What you progressed most on. Not what you think you will like. And just stick with it. Constantly changing isn't going to help anything.
im tired of searching
We often hear of broken trucks or major gear issues on here but the reality is lost people ride shit and never break it or have major issues. People who tend to skate a lot, especially bigger stuff with lots of impact, will be much more likely to eventually do something especially as stuff wears. You probably got unlucky or there's something we don't know about your skating or how worn the gear was before breaking.
I will say that it does seem broken Ti axles are an Indy specific thing that pops up on here and my local shop mentioned lots of cracked hangers near the axle ends but that that improved after the move to China.
Yup. Gotta say, “This is my shape and I’m sticking to it.” The perfect deck doesn’t exist. Also, I can pretty much get used to any popsicle after a session or two. I think it’s mostly mental. If you tell yourself that you hate your deck you’re gonna perform badly.Buy what you like. What you progressed most on. Not what you think you will like. And just stick with it. Constantly changing isn't going to help anything.Expand Quoteplease let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching[close]
Yup. Gotta say, “This is my shape and I’m sticking to it.” The perfect deck doesn’t exist. Also, I can pretty much get used to any popsicle after a session or two. I think it’s mostly mental. If you tell yourself that you hate your deck you’re gonna perform badly.Expand QuoteBuy what you like. What you progressed most on. Not what you think you will like. And just stick with it. Constantly changing isn't going to help anything.Expand Quoteplease let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
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I get that. You want to be stoked on your gear. And all of it doesn’t feel the same. Wasn’t trying to deny the differences. Was just saying you gotta just give up at some point. That’s all 😌Expand QuoteYup. Gotta say, “This is my shape and I’m sticking to it.” The perfect deck doesn’t exist. Also, I can pretty much get used to any popsicle after a session or two. I think it’s mostly mental. If you tell yourself that you hate your deck you’re gonna perform badly.Expand QuoteBuy what you like. What you progressed most on. Not what you think you will like. And just stick with it. Constantly changing isn't going to help anything.Expand Quoteplease let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
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i mean whe you say it like that….
madness is this sludge of me wanting to be stoked, excited. that’s it. i went to skate last night, highly less than ideal scenario, dragging after work, get out there and it’s dark, damp, under a street light. some folks suffering from drug addictions popping up. whatever. anyways, being me, i had 2 pairs of shoes, 2 setups. i skated ‘better’ on the 8.125 with 5.2 lo’s, than on the 7.75 with 5.0 lo’s. what i noticed, was that i didn’t care. it was nice to land more stuff, and the vibrations/tone of the ps stix 8.125 felt noticeably better, than the older crail 7.75. but the 8.125 looked dumb as fuck. to me. the pov was not my fave.
i also hated looking down at the dunks, as opposed to my old half cabs. skate better in the dunks. and hurt less today, from spending more time in the more supportive shoe.
blah blah. one board better.
I get that. You want to be stoked on your gear. And all of it doesn’t feel the same. Wasn’t trying to deny the differences. Was just saying you gotta just give up at some point. That’s all 😌Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYup. Gotta say, “This is my shape and I’m sticking to it.” The perfect deck doesn’t exist. Also, I can pretty much get used to any popsicle after a session or two. I think it’s mostly mental. If you tell yourself that you hate your deck you’re gonna perform badly.Expand QuoteBuy what you like. What you progressed most on. Not what you think you will like. And just stick with it. Constantly changing isn't going to help anything.Expand Quoteplease let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching[close][close][close]
i mean whe you say it like that….
madness is this sludge of me wanting to be stoked, excited. that’s it. i went to skate last night, highly less than ideal scenario, dragging after work, get out there and it’s dark, damp, under a street light. some folks suffering from drug addictions popping up. whatever. anyways, being me, i had 2 pairs of shoes, 2 setups. i skated ‘better’ on the 8.125 with 5.2 lo’s, than on the 7.75 with 5.0 lo’s. what i noticed, was that i didn’t care. it was nice to land more stuff, and the vibrations/tone of the ps stix 8.125 felt noticeably better, than the older crail 7.75. but the 8.125 looked dumb as fuck. to me. the pov was not my fave.
i also hated looking down at the dunks, as opposed to my old half cabs. skate better in the dunks. and hurt less today, from spending more time in the more supportive shoe.
blah blah. one board better.[close]
I'm the opposite- any shorter than like 14.1 and my pop is disgustingly bad. 14.5 it feels so nice and floaty.
I think kickflips=long, 3 flips=short…..
i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
I swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.
Expand QuoteI swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.[close]
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.[close]
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.[close]
Yeah, I skated it with Indy 149s. I am also not really much of a shaped deck skater, but I bought one on a whim from a sale of the Crail website, probably based on recommendations here.
Now I skate a 8.125" Primitive deck now and don't plan to go back to a shaped board soon or ever, but I did very much enjoy that deck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.[close]
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.[close]
Yeah, I skated it with Indy 149s. I am also not really much of a shaped deck skater, but I bought one on a whim from a sale of the Crail website, probably based on recommendations here.
Now I skate a 8.125" Primitive deck now and don't plan to go back to a shaped board soon or ever, but I did very much enjoy that deck.[close]
does that 8.125 have a longer tail/nose? same as the april?
14.62Expand Quotei dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true[close]
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
14.62Expand QuoteExpand Quotei dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true[close]
The 14.25 or the 14.62?[close]
14.62Expand QuoteExpand Quotei dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true[close]
The 14.25 or the 14.62?[close]
Expand Quote14.62Expand QuoteExpand Quotei dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true[close]
The 14.25 or the 14.62?[close][close]
A friend and I call the 8.75/14.62 "The Destroyer of Worlds," because no matter what you think you know/like about the set-up you are riding, a week on the 8.75 will eviscerate "everything you believed was true."
There is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.
The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
You may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.Expand QuoteThe Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.[close]
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
You may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.[close]
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.[close]
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
Thanks for the link. Looking through the thread now. These bearings and wheels were expensive so I’d hate to scrap them.Expand QuoteYou may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.[close]
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.[close]
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.[close]
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
I did some experimenting and figured it out. It’s the damn Spitfire wheel, something has to be offset about it. Took it, put new bearings in it and put it on another pair of trucks and the same thing happened. Sucks cause I liked ‘em.Expand QuoteYou may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.[close]
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.[close]
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.[close]
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
brimmer knowsI put my Swiss 6 in an old set of wheels. It was more annoying than usual cause I had to take out the bearings that were in the old set too. This made me realize that expensive bearings probably aren’t worth it (for me). I’d rather just toss the entire wheel setup when I’m done with them. Think I’ll go back to Bronson’s once these are finished.
you can still use the wheels and bearings imo, just loosen em up, allowing for more play, and less binding
I did some experimenting and figured it out. It’s the damn Spitfire wheel, something has to be offset about it. Took it, put new bearings in it and put it on another pair of trucks and the same thing happened. Sucks cause I liked ‘em.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.[close]
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.[close]
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.[close]
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.[close]
Thanks again 🙏🏾
That’s great. I’ll contact them cause I really like the RF shape, and it’s only one wheel. The others are fine.Expand QuoteI did some experimenting and figured it out. It’s the damn Spitfire wheel, something has to be offset about it. Took it, put new bearings in it and put it on another pair of trucks and the same thing happened. Sucks cause I liked ‘em.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.[close]
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.[close]
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.[close]
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.[close]
Thanks again 🙏🏾[close]
I have had 2 sets of Spitfires in the past year or two that had oversized bearing seats. One of them was bad enough I could move the wheel with my hand and you could see the bearings move in and out. The other was slighter but the wheel was constantly binding. I then got a new set in which the actual bearing seat was too shallow and a bearing didn't fit. Spitfire replaced all of them AND gave me additional wheels.
I always fill out the warranty form on the dlx site: https://www.dlxsf.com/warranty/ and they get back to me pretty quickly.Thanks! Sent them an email. I’ve only had them for a month, so it’d suck to just be out of $50 lol
Expand Quote14.62Expand QuoteExpand Quotei dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true[close]
The 14.25 or the 14.62?[close][close]
A friend and I call the 8.75/14.62 "The Destroyer of Worlds," because no matter what you think you know/like about the set-up you are riding, a week on the 8.75 will eviscerate "everything you believed was true."
Have had two sets of spits in the last year and a half with bearing seat issues. RF 60mm and conical full 58mm. They replaced them (with classic shapes each time) no prob and those didn’t have an issue. Tried another set of CF 58 and the same thing happened. Switched to 55mm tablets and had no issue. Didn’t wanna deal with a third warranty claim in a year and a half so took the L on the 58s. With both the RF and CF I had to use a bearing press to get them in and then they’d pop out. The 55 tablets had no issue getting the bearings in and they’re locked in. Same with the classic shape. I wonder if there’s an issue with the wider contact wheels.
They want me to send my wheels back to them, so hopefully they figure something out. Cause one bad wheel can ruin an entire setup. The other three worked perfectly. Kinda makes me wish they sold single wheels lolExpand QuoteHave had two sets of spits in the last year and a half with bearing seat issues. RF 60mm and conical full 58mm. They replaced them (with classic shapes each time) no prob and those didn’t have an issue. Tried another set of CF 58 and the same thing happened. Switched to 55mm tablets and had no issue. Didn’t wanna deal with a third warranty claim in a year and a half so took the L on the 58s. With both the RF and CF I had to use a bearing press to get them in and then they’d pop out. The 55 tablets had no issue getting the bearings in and they’re locked in. Same with the classic shape. I wonder if there’s an issue with the wider contact wheels.[close]
It would be even just one of the molds for those wheel shapes that is a touch out, or not calibrated correctly, that would cause the shape issue. I have seen other brands like Bones cutting out their own molds from aluminium or some metal like it and pouring urethane wheels, but not Spitfire, so don't know exactly how the mold sits, but there is usually a bottom cup like piece and then a top piece that fits in / locks in place for the duration of the process, which can then be taken off and the wheel popped out of the mold, before being cut down / shaped to what is desired, but that is only the outside area that is cut, not the inside.
There can be a lot of wheel molds all sitting together in rows / lines, so the possibility of getting just one wheel mold wrong from fifty to a hundred is still going to cause one wheel in every twelve to twenty five or so sets to be out, which might not sound like a whole lot, but that is still way too many wheels that can have issues in a few thousand sets of each shape / mold / run.
Stands to reason that some shapes have more issues than others, as dramas can unfold with new molds being created, whereas old molds might all be exactly correct for the tried and tested wheels, like Classics.
That's my take on it anyway.
They want me to send my wheels back to them, so hopefully they figure something out. Cause one bad wheel can ruin an entire setup. The other three worked perfectly. Kinda makes me wish they sold single wheels lol
my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
Expand Quotemy madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.[close]
I saw dave bachinsky skated a 7.5". And daewon skated a small ass board as well. Convinced me to start skating smaller boards. Worst mistake of my life. Set up a thank you 7.6" board with 139 indy's. I could not lock into a krook or feeble for the life of me with those small ass trucks lol.
my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
Expand Quotemy madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.[close]
I've done this so many times. I know for a fact wider trucks and bigger wheels are what suits my skating but I'll see clips of Stranger riding Ace 44's and like 52mm wheels, no risers, 8.2-8.3 deck I'm assuming and I'll be like...that's what I need, lower the ride man. Nope, every crack and pebble rattles my brain. Turn still bites sooner than I want...etc. But seeing Boserio running huge wheels on some Ace 44's kinda started the big wheel journey for me and that part stuck.
Had a good session today after changing my wheels, can’t believe I was about to toss out my 159 hollows cause some faulty wheels. No more locking up. Just hope the new ones don’t have the same issues.
Do y’all think it matters when one wheel is slower than the other? Sure it’s just a bearing, but shouldn’t the other wheels make up for it?
I admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.
I admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.And now in autumn there is no way grip stats without leaves
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.
Expand QuoteI admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.[close]
We have a few DIY & parking garages spots* here that are INSANELY dusty. Like, your grip tape comes out brown, and you need to clean your bearings after a few long sessions (all of which really makes think me/others should wear some kind of respiratory mask while skating there). After skating those places, or others like it, I absolutely use grip gum.
*My b/s disaster in my sig file is at one of those garages.
Sadly I'm one of those people who skate my board both ways. Even when I'm not riding a twintail, I use the nose as a tail when riding switch. I just paired the bad bearings with good ones. Even time the wheels, the "slow" one is only like 3 seconds slower so I doubt it makes a difference.Expand QuoteDo y’all think it matters when one wheel is slower than the other? Sure it’s just a bearing, but shouldn’t the other wheels make up for it?[close]
I always put the smallest wheel on the front heel, as well as the slowest spinning bearings.
Given some people skate a board both ways a lot more than me which could change things, but that is the easiest way I get around any bearing wearing issues, which usually means that wheel and bearing get the least wear and has the least amount of pressure on it, less weight, etc. Sure I do pop shovits and similar things, but for the most part, that front heel position stays the same for the majority of my skating.
Sometimes I have also put the more crusty bearings or any that make more noise on the front wheels, with the better bearings on the back, or if they are about half and half, sometimes even the not so good ones paired with a good one so every wheel feels about the same.
Of course some people just leave that whole set or what is left of it in the spares box, as I did with six Bones Swiss Ceramic bearings, after someone lost a wheel and two bearings, but they are a different story and I didn't want to mix and match those with anything else.
They also made my setup sound a little dead.
So I got some 97a Spitfires and lost my No Comply Shuvs for a minute. I was confused at first, then realized that the harder wheels helped me scoop them more (broke traction easier). I eventually adjusted.
It’s funny how something so minor can make a difference. They also made my setup sound a little dead.
Ok this is a madness related situation that I could do with some advice on. It is a fairly long and rambling rant/description so bear with me!
After trying out many different shapes, sizes and wheelbases over the years the deck that I like the most (Jart/HLC Classic 7.6” wide, 31.6” long, 14.2” wheelbase with low concave) isn’t currently available in the UK. (There are still some complete skateboards available with the same sized deck but after buying one and regripping it, I’m convinced they use less well finished decks for those in comparison to their individually sold decks). I’ve emailed HLC to ask them directly about supply of the individual decks to which they’ve replied they have none in stock and it doesn’t look like they are planning on making any for next year either. They have a Sk8mafia 7.6” option but it is too short at 31.04”.
I’ve recently set up a 7.5” and thought I would love it but in actuality it was just too narrow. 7.75” seems just a touch too wide, 7.6” is perfect for me and I feel like I have progressed much more since staying on this one size this year. As it stands, I have one very well used 7.6” currently set up and one slightly used spare deck on ice that I sourced from eBay, after that, no more.
So the way I see it is I have three options:
1: Try and buy up a few remaining exact replacement decks from mainland Europe and import them at a cost. My concerns with this is that the supply will eventually run out, then what? Part of my madness is hating the thought of using something that isn’t replaceable or is that becoming obsolete!
2: Deal with it, move on and reignite the madness by trying out new deck size/brands and dimensions again. The madness is real, I’m guilty of speeding far too much time wondering about other options as it is. I’m mildly annoyed that I would be changing something that I didn’t want to though and I’ve not wanted to stray since finding this size/shape.
3: Try and recreate the same deck dimensions by trimming down and reshaping a larger deck, say for example a high concave 8” with the same length and wheelbase. Surely with the sides trimmed-down that would make a medium/low concave 7.6”? Also, I’ve never attempted something like this, on paper it could work well but it would need practice.
Retaining the specific 31.6” length seems to be the biggest sticking point with replacing my 7.6”. Most of the current options (of which there are not many) from other brands seem to be around 31” - 31.2” in length these days. I’m not keen on 14” or below wheelbases either, 14.125” - 14.25” is my ideal wheelbase.
Any suggestions? How do you deal with the diminishing stock of a board you love and want to replace?
Thanks!
Expand QuoteOk this is a madness related situation that I could do with some advice on. It is a fairly long and rambling rant/description so bear with me!
After trying out many different shapes, sizes and wheelbases over the years the deck that I like the most (Jart/HLC Classic 7.6” wide, 31.6” long, 14.2” wheelbase with low concave) isn’t currently available in the UK. (There are still some complete skateboards available with the same sized deck but after buying one and regripping it, I’m convinced they use less well finished decks for those in comparison to their individually sold decks). I’ve emailed HLC to ask them directly about supply of the individual decks to which they’ve replied they have none in stock and it doesn’t look like they are planning on making any for next year either. They have a Sk8mafia 7.6” option but it is too short at 31.04”.
I’ve recently set up a 7.5” and thought I would love it but in actuality it was just too narrow. 7.75” seems just a touch too wide, 7.6” is perfect for me and I feel like I have progressed much more since staying on this one size this year. As it stands, I have one very well used 7.6” currently set up and one slightly used spare deck on ice that I sourced from eBay, after that, no more.
So the way I see it is I have three options:
1: Try and buy up a few remaining exact replacement decks from mainland Europe and import them at a cost. My concerns with this is that the supply will eventually run out, then what? Part of my madness is hating the thought of using something that isn’t replaceable or is that becoming obsolete!
2: Deal with it, move on and reignite the madness by trying out new deck size/brands and dimensions again. The madness is real, I’m guilty of speeding far too much time wondering about other options as it is. I’m mildly annoyed that I would be changing something that I didn’t want to though and I’ve not wanted to stray since finding this size/shape.
3: Try and recreate the same deck dimensions by trimming down and reshaping a larger deck, say for example a high concave 8” with the same length and wheelbase. Surely with the sides trimmed-down that would make a medium/low concave 7.6”? Also, I’ve never attempted something like this, on paper it could work well but it would need practice.
Retaining the specific 31.6” length seems to be the biggest sticking point with replacing my 7.6”. Most of the current options (of which there are not many) from other brands seem to be around 31” - 31.2” in length these days. I’m not keen on 14” or below wheelbases either, 14.125” - 14.25” is my ideal wheelbase.
Any suggestions? How do you deal with the diminishing stock of a board you love and want to replace?
Thanks![close]
Oh man, it's never easy to change. But your case is kinda rare, haven't seen any 7.6 decks in ~15 years.
But if I were you, I would try to find a 8" deck with 31.6 length and a 14.25 wheelbase. I am sure, there are some.
I think DLX decks with that true fit mold could work for you. Best of luck and stay positive.
Thought I was gonna go with this LBC Skate Shop deck, but it sounds like the wood is splintering when I stand on it. Bought it last year, but feel like it was made during COVID in 2020.
So I might setup a new deck. I know it’s silly, but out of the dozen decks I’ve skated over the last year none of them have sounded like they were about to break under my weight lol. I’m a bigger skater, but not that big 😂
This is my first shop deck. Not sure what woodshop they used. The deck also seems a little thicker than my pro ones.
It's funny cause I've never snapped a deck. But it's probably cause I only skate flat and ollie infrequently due to my bad knee. Just no complies, cruising, and wheelies. I switched to one of my Girl decks and it's sturdy. No creaking sounds.Expand QuoteThought I was gonna go with this LBC Skate Shop deck, but it sounds like the wood is splintering when I stand on it. Bought it last year, but feel like it was made during COVID in 2020.
So I might setup a new deck. I know it’s silly, but out of the dozen decks I’ve skated over the last year none of them have sounded like they were about to break under my weight lol. I’m a bigger skater, but not that big 😂
This is my first shop deck. Not sure what woodshop they used. The deck also seems a little thicker than my pro ones.[close]
If you're 245 as you previously said that is 100lbs heavier or 160% of the average skater. My friend that is a built 200 breaks decks with high frequency even. Back in the day when I was around 195 when I quit skating I was snapping shit constantly.
Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
For what's worth I didn't like classics but I love AF1Expand QuoteBeen reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit[close]
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
For what's worth I didn't like classics but I love AF1Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit[close]
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.[close]
Expand QuoteFor what's worth I didn't like classics but I love AF1Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit[close]
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.[close][close]
For sure, I think they are a huge improvement over the Classics in every regard, but my point is that gear acquisition under such a circumstance as obsessively reading about a pair of trucks will probably not stop one from continuing to obsess over trucks.
Anyone who likes Ace Classics and wants to try the AF1s should buy them. I'm basically now an Ace Lifer.
Expand QuoteBeen reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit[close]
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
Ace 44s with 8-8.125" decks, mostly Primitive lately because I bought some on one of their super sales and really like them. I have short legs so the tight wheelbase of the decks with the inset distance of the trucks helps my pop, which sucks anyway because I'm old and constantly injured.
Did anybody figure out a truck setup of thunder hangers in some other longer baseplate that doesn't feel like shit?
The classic would be thunder hanger in venture plates. Which bushings though?
Yes pros can slide just fine on the thunder plate. I'm not pro and it's 1000 times easier to slide loooong on other trucks.
(I'm close to axle on the thunders and want to keep skating the hangers)
Did anybody figure out a truck setup of thunder hangers in some other longer baseplate that doesn't feel like shit?Make life easier and just skate a whole venture truck. Even with the thunder hanger it will still turn like a venture. Although the thunder grinds so damn good I kinda see what you're going for.
The classic would be thunder hanger in venture plates. Which bushings though?
Yes pros can slide just fine on the thunder plate. I'm not pro and it's 1000 times easier to slide loooong on other trucks.
(I'm close to axle on the thunders and want to keep skating the hangers)
I’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.
I love it. Just feels so right. Pairs well with my 159s and 55m Lock In Fulls. I could ride this setup for the rest of my life 😌Expand QuoteI’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.[close]
that’s a really good board to stick with.
I love it. Just feels so right. Pairs well with my 159s and 55m Lock In Fulls. I could ride this setup for the rest of my life 😌Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.[close]
that’s a really good board to stick with.[close]
for the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.Maybe to recreate the setup of your prime?
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago
thisMaybe to recreate the setup of your prime?Expand Quotefor the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago[close]
thisExpand QuoteMaybe to recreate the setup of your prime?Expand Quotefor the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago[close][close]
it wasnt necessarily my “prime”
but a setup i made a ton of progress on
after years of fucking around trying different shit
even going down as far as 8.25 for a minute
i ended up virtually on the same board
the prime setup:
antihero 9/33.25/15wb
thunder 151 hollows
52mm radial slims
1/8 risers
where im at 4 years later:
polar 9/32.5/14.5wb
venture 6.1 hollows
52ish radial fulls
ditched risers
if you ever want out of madness/finding home base
i have sort of an idea after spending thousands in the search
remember the board that you learned the most with
i think we all know that one, hard to forget the feeling
try and find it again or something close to it
pick a truck that fits that board. get married to it, settle down
id recommend cheating on your partner before your trucks
you will never be satisfied with and open truck relationship
once you get that setup, theres another vital rule
stay out of threads that dont involve the gear you skate
you will be persuaded back down a consumerist rabbit hole
and theres countless better things to blow money on
worked pretty well for me
pick a truck that fits that board. get married to it, settle down
id recommend cheating on your partner before your trucks
you will never be satisfied with and open truck relationship
I wonder if our primes were really as good as we think? I was better at flip tricks and low altitude manual pad/mini ramp tricks by far, but I don't think I knew what a slappy was and my pop wasn't as solid especially switch.
Back then my setup was usually like a 7.6-8" AWS/Habitat, 7.75 Aesthetics. Or 7.75 Crail with Venture 5.0/5.2 or Thunder 145 low. I skated as low as 7.4, but after BA telling me to try a slightly bigger board and loving an 8 as a taller skater 7.75 ended up being the smallest I could fathom in like 2000. At one point I got a Toy Machine fists 8.25/Thunder 147 and that was when I first unlocked actually doing things fast.
I'm more convinced now that if I had the gear I do today I woulda learned to skate better and faster.
I wonder if our primes were really as good as we think? I was better at flip tricks and low altitude manual pad/mini ramp tricks by far, but I don't think I knew what a slappy was and my pop wasn't as solid especially switch.
Back then my setup was usually like a 7.6-8" AWS/Habitat, 7.75 Aesthetics. Or 7.75 Crail with Venture 5.0/5.2 or Thunder 145 low. I skated as low as 7.4, but after BA telling me to try a slightly bigger board and loving an 8 as a taller skater 7.75 ended up being the smallest I could fathom in like 2000. At one point I got a Toy Machine fists 8.25/Thunder 147 and that was when I first unlocked actually doing things fast.
I'm more convinced now that if I had the gear I do today I woulda learned to skate better and faster.
My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
Expand QuoteMy prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago[close]
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago[close]
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.[close]
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago[close]
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.[close]
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness[close]
Talking about people in their prime, I recall back in 2003 when Mike V came out with his assorted crew for his current brand at the time, a demo at a mostly transition based park and a small but vocal group of locals heckled him as one young local ripper was "showing him up" with most things he was skating and trying, air variations and what not.
Already kind of old for a pro and often taking a while to get some tricks, he was not put off and went through his list of tricks like a man on a mission, but some things were harder than others, that was for sure.
When he got to meet the "wonder kid" after the demo and gave him a board or something, he said something like "I can only hope you still have half of those tricks when you get to my age, cause you sure are ripping now, but give it twenty years and then see how you feel after a hard session" or something like that.
The reason that stuck with me, (besides it being on video I took) was that "wonder kid" had his day in the sun but gave up skating after a while and moved on to other things, which just goes to show, some people will peak and then be done and gone just as quickly as they came, while others will stick with it, maybe well after their prime but still keep skating, whatever the reason.
Sure I am well past it at 48 now, maybe twenty to thirty years past what could have been my prime too, but that doesn't stop me getting out and having a roll and giving it a good go still, even though my body can't take half of what I want to try now, but then other things are all kinds of awesome and I would have never thought to try this or that back then when my skateboarding priorities were different.
Sure I can get bummed sometimes thinking about what I used to be able to do, but I try to think more about what I can still do and what I might be able to try in the future, as well as being stoked for others I skate with who are still on the rise, so from that perspective, I am not so worried about the finer details.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago[close]
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.[close]
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
someone here got me thinking about going back to 1 setup
i tried some spitifre 97a F4 54 mm classics today and i actually dont like how sticky they are. i am like 99% sure i just like the 99a better.
my 8.38 board has these 51mm 99a classics worn down as fuck and they feel reallllly shitty at a crusty spot.
but on my egg board i have these 54mm conical full 99a f4s and they go through crust wayyyy better
i dont want to say its cause 1 has better bearings than the other because the small wheel one spins really well and it goes quite well at skateparks for me etc. but the bigger wheel one clearly feels way faster. and way better over the crust as i said which is a huge factor in getting me back to 1 setup with the wide wheel. this wheel shape seems to be really working for me on this setup too... so i thought back to my original point
why not just go back to 1 setup
no rails
not sure whether 54 or 54mm conical full will make a difference but something around there.
i like the "smaller" board with big wheels.
I am on thunder teams 148s which are 52mm but i think it will be fine. if you are going to wheel bite
i can pull out the rails setup as i need to but its not something i actually need super often i am finding. it is fun but i dont think i am getting the most out of it. the spots i am typically utilizing them at i also dont really need to have a fresh deck for because they are like 4" high.
i set up the 8.38 with tiny tiny classics beucase it feels pretty sick when you skate a perfect spot. skateparks feel money, never feel like idrag on noseslides. my board feels a nice medium size to land on without being bulky. i still get good feedback from my trucks because they are teams. the turning is not complete tic tac land becuase they are 148s but i will admit they arent loosey goosey if thats what you wanna go for. i dont really need that though i would just ride a wide setup if i really wanted loose turning liek that (its way more stable... that just feels dangerous to me to ride skinny boards death loose but maybe makes sense for smaller guys) but like just put some bigger damn wheels on thing and you can take it anywhere right? i know it wont limit my tricks or spots or aynthing. i am considering even going up to like 56 just to be really wild and have hella speed. i was riding 56mm on indy standards for 10+ years. on 8" boards. i love that small board big wheel setup!!!! then i am confident i dont need to roll with that extra setup. i think i can still do all the combos and shit. like noseslide to crook.
Random Note from the Land of Madness
About two months ago, while skating mini ramp, I didn’t like the way my front toe-side wheel was “locking in” (e.g. slipping out) on b/s 50-50s. I switched over to Conicals, which had a much better “lock.” Historically, I haven’t liked Conicals for street skating. I decided to give them another, pro-longed, chance. After a bit, I started to get used to them, and even somewhat like them. Def a smoother ride than Classics (bigger contact patch), good lock-in on 50-50s. I didn’t like them as much on feeble/smith grinds, and f/s 5-0s (when truck is angled a bit). They also had a “lesser slappy.” But, I was liking them. So, a bit later I am back on a mini ramp. I started having some trouble with pivot to fakies, and axle stalls to fakie. I bailed a few (slammed one pivot to fake quite hard) because the conicals were locking in just a tad too much during reentry. In 2019 I broke my leg on trick to fakie, and I will never fully get over the fear that created. Sometimes it seems like it’s gone. Sometimes it just comes back with acute vengeance, totally out of the blue. Pivot fakies have always scared me a bit, and with the broken leg context, the “fear to fakie” was suddenly back—I didn’t even want to try them again. I switched back over to my Classics, but it was two weeks before I even started trying them again, but I was too scared to commit to any of them. The next session I came back wearing every pad I owned, and once I committed, started pulling them every time.
The mind, triggered by gear nuance, is, well…maddening.
I won’t be riding Conicals again.
Expand QuoteThere is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.[close]
Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.
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Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.[close]
Anyone skate 149 Thunders or Indies on the white eagle shape? I checked out that board at my local. Shape looks good, felt good under my feet. I just do want to buy 159s to go with it. I prefer to skate the trucks I have until they die.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.[close]
Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.[close]
Anyone skate 149 Thunders or Indies on the white eagle shape? I checked out that board at my local. Shape looks good, felt good under my feet. I just do want to buy 159s to go with it. I prefer to skate the trucks I have until they die.[close]
It will definitely work well enough, so no problems there. Others I know do that with all their setups, eg deck size up from trucks.
It works well with big wide wheels too, but any wheel will still skate ok.
I’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.
I’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.
Expand QuoteI’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.[close]
You can't make a tall truck lower, but you can make a low truck taller.
I have seen a few people put thin risers on Venture low trucks, which I initially thought was going against what the trucks were designed for, but as one guy clearly said, the Venture low truck is a little too low at 48mm, but the others too tall, so putting something under the low makes it just the right height for him, eg 1/8" riser brings it up to 51mm.
If you do skate any boards that are thin enough to fit Venture low trucks, then this might be an option for you, but also finding the right riser height, eg 1/8 worked fairly well for the other guy, on the Real ply risers they made for Venture trucks, but anything to get the right height shouldn't be too hard to find, without the board looking or feeling weird.
Other than that, finding the right deck to pair with certain trucks can also give a better or worse result, but then push you further down the madness rabbit hole too, depending on the findings / outcomes. More mellow or longer fingers of flat will definitely make a taller truck feel better on the pop, as would a shorter wheelbase with Ventures, compared to Ace or Indy, for which a slightly longer wheelbase usually works better.
That said, people can adapt to almost anything given time, but trying something different or new can often feel very weird or just not seem to work at first.
What boards / wood or shapes or whatever do you skate?
* I am not short, but I have skated with and understand what people prefer from all shapes and sizes, if that helps a bit.
41 here. Skating is a hell of a lot more fun. Everything landed is just a win. No worries about “that wasn’t perfect”, “that didn’t look good”. Whatever. It’s ALL good now. HaExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago[close]
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.[close]
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness[close]
Talking about people in their prime, I recall back in 2003 when Mike V came out with his assorted crew for his current brand at the time, a demo at a mostly transition based park and a small but vocal group of locals heckled him as one young local ripper was "showing him up" with most things he was skating and trying, air variations and what not.
Already kind of old for a pro and often taking a while to get some tricks, he was not put off and went through his list of tricks like a man on a mission, but some things were harder than others, that was for sure.
When he got to meet the "wonder kid" after the demo and gave him a board or something, he said something like "I can only hope you still have half of those tricks when you get to my age, cause you sure are ripping now, but give it twenty years and then see how you feel after a hard session" or something like that.
The reason that stuck with me, (besides it being on video I took) was that "wonder kid" had his day in the sun but gave up skating after a while and moved on to other things, which just goes to show, some people will peak and then be done and gone just as quickly as they came, while others will stick with it, maybe well after their prime but still keep skating, whatever the reason.
Sure I am well past it at 48 now, maybe twenty to thirty years past what could have been my prime too, but that doesn't stop me getting out and having a roll and giving it a good go still, even though my body can't take half of what I want to try now, but then other things are all kinds of awesome and I would have never thought to try this or that back then when my skateboarding priorities were different.
Sure I can get bummed sometimes thinking about what I used to be able to do, but I try to think more about what I can still do and what I might be able to try in the future, as well as being stoked for others I skate with who are still on the rise, so from that perspective, I am not so worried about the finer details.
I typically skate 8’s with 14in wheelbases. I would say I like medium concave/medium kicks or mellow concave/medium kicks. 14-14.12 wheelbases are my sweet spot I’d say. However, I had an 8.0 baker years ago. Mellow concave/OG shape with a 14.25 wheelbase on forged Indy’s and that was a pretty good time. Even a couple of friends who rode around on it loved it. But even then I remember feeling like “man I’m too high off the ground this feels uncomfortable on anything other than flat ground”.
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I typically skate 8’s with 14in wheelbases. I would say I like medium concave/medium kicks or mellow concave/medium kicks. 14-14.12 wheelbases are my sweet spot I’d say. However, I had an 8.0 baker years ago. Mellow concave/OG shape with a 14.25 wheelbase on forged Indy’s and that was a pretty good time. Even a couple of friends who rode around on it loved it. But even then I remember feeling like “man I’m too high off the ground this feels uncomfortable on anything other than flat ground”.[close]
Re Baker board - yes, I know the one - have one set up for people to skate like that in the board loan pool right now actually, this one with Thunder 147s on DIY 2mm rubber risers and 52mm wheels, which skates quite well.
If you did still have the Venture low trucks, you could try something / anything as a temp riser, without having to go out and buy specific parts, otherwise as OK said, you seem to have it pretty much covered.
I would always say try / test what you have there first, before going out to buy or ordering a whole lot more stuff you might only skate once or twice and then take off again, but making thin risers from cardboard, or other things is a good (and free) step to testing Venture low trucks, hoping you have 1" bolts, otherwise7/8" might not fit,
Sometimes people get rid of everything but what they have set up, but other times people are sitting on years worth of product they can dig through and find things they can use without having to go buy a whole lot more.
Lows plus a riser at 51 is only .5mm lower than forged Hi. The WB is slightly tighter, but you're splitting hairs.
I think you need to spend time getting used to it. I didn't see your wheel size, but the forged Hi with 51's is pretty low compared to an Indy with 54's (3.5mm higher trucks plus 1.5mm from the wheels) which is fairly standard for lots of people.
Lows plus a riser at 51 is only .5mm lower than forged Hi. The WB is slightly tighter, but you're splitting hairs.
I think you need to spend time getting used to it. I didn't see your wheel size, but the forged Hi with 51's is pretty low compared to an Indy with 54's (3.5mm higher trucks plus 1.5mm from the wheels) which is fairly standard for lots of people.
Ok so I have had a bit of shoe madness recently. I usually skate converse PL vulcs. I’ve had several pair in a row all size 10.5. Recently I just got another pair and it really feels like they are a half size bigger than all the other pairs that I have had. Could this actually be a thing or is my madness making it up?!
Ok so I have had a bit of shoe madness recently. I usually skate converse PL vulcs. I’ve had several pair in a row all size 10.5. Recently I just got another pair and it really feels like they are a half size bigger than all the other pairs that I have had. Could this actually be a thing or is my madness making it up?!
I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
Expand QuoteI switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.[close]
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.
Expand QuoteRandom Note from the Land of Madness
About two months ago, while skating mini ramp, I didn’t like the way my front toe-side wheel was “locking in” (e.g. slipping out) on b/s 50-50s. I switched over to Conicals, which had a much better “lock.” Historically, I haven’t liked Conicals for street skating. I decided to give them another, pro-longed, chance. After a bit, I started to get used to them, and even somewhat like them. Def a smoother ride than Classics (bigger contact patch), good lock-in on 50-50s. I didn’t like them as much on feeble/smith grinds, and f/s 5-0s (when truck is angled a bit). They also had a “lesser slappy.” But, I was liking them. So, a bit later I am back on a mini ramp. I started having some trouble with pivot to fakies, and axle stalls to fakie. I bailed a few (slammed one pivot to fake quite hard) because the conicals were locking in just a tad too much during reentry. In 2019 I broke my leg on trick to fakie, and I will never fully get over the fear that created. Sometimes it seems like it’s gone. Sometimes it just comes back with acute vengeance, totally out of the blue. Pivot fakies have always scared me a bit, and with the broken leg context, the “fear to fakie” was suddenly back—I didn’t even want to try them again. I switched back over to my Classics, but it was two weeks before I even started trying them again, but I was too scared to commit to any of them. The next session I came back wearing every pad I owned, and once I committed, started pulling them every time.
The mind, triggered by gear nuance, is, well…maddening.
I won’t be riding Conicals again.[close]
Radials might be your new best friend. The side profile is lovely and does make a tiny difference.
41 here. Skating is a hell of a lot more fun. Everything landed is just a win. No worries about “that wasn’t perfect”, “that didn’t look good”. Whatever. It’s ALL good now. Ha
And, what’s rad is that I’ll be trying to learn things now that I never tried to learn because I wasn’t interested in them back in my early twenties: little tiny curb/ledge switch noseslides, better nollies, fakie back tail (fakie switch frontside noseslide), airs out of quarters, front slashes on quarters, frontside 5050 on transition, no comply 180s…
And I don’t feel embarrassed trying little stupid things because I don’t have an ego to protect anymore. It just feels good to be rolling at all. Very thankful.
I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
I'd recommend going back to what you know and sticking to it. You have to have your trucks dialed in.
I've also gone back and fore between Thunder and Ace for a long time but I think its time to commit. I could get used to either but dancing between the two does not do me many any favors. Since I mostly like skating a variety of weird transitions and curbs with loose trucks and my favorite deck shape has a long 14.75" WB, Ace is it is...
I will keep my ground to axle Thunder 151s on display for sentimental reasons...
Expand QuoteI switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.[close]
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.[close]
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.[close]
i agree with this advice.
redrilling is the problem, imo. that shit just doesn’t work well.
just to add to the conversation: i’ve tried a lot a lot a lot of different stuff, and will continue to do so. it’s not helpful to my skating, but it is fun to be curious, to an extent. i forget where home is tho.
i do not buy the matching of a wheelbase number, to a truck. the best (only)ace pop, for me, has come from 14” wb’s and big wheels.
i skate ventures and thunders on whatever wb, and the pop, or lack there of, has much more to do with the shape/steepness. imo. in general, i significantly enjoy the leverage with both thunder and venture.
Expand QuoteI switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.[close]
Did you drill in the nose or the tail?
Guessing the nose, but you might have found that drilling in the tail on that sort of board might have actually worked better.
I have done both on different boards, just to see what it was like, sometimes working amazingly well, other times not so much.
If you are pretty much done with it, there would be no harm to try drilling in the tail and putting the front truck back where it was originally and just see how that feels on the Thunder trucks.
You might be surprised.
Any which way, as others had said, it is a big difference, from a very light pop on Ace to a much heavier pop feeling on Thunder (or Venture too) but on different boards, any truck can work a whole lot better - just getting used to it and if you have things you can mess with, no worries of making it unskateable if you are already at that point of it just not working for you, trying a few options might be good to see what really works better than the current situation and issues you have having with it.
You are right I did drill in the nose. I might try drilling the tail, but have skated it the correct way and backwards (nose as the tail) and while it did feel better with a longer tail, it still was pretty hard for me to skate it. Literally only flatground though, everything else feels fine. I was on the Thunders for about 2 months and couldn't really figure it out.
So just for clarification, the LIGHT pop on an aces is in terms of the effort and strength needed for the tail to hit the ground? The heavier pop means that it takes more effort and strength but yields more pop. I'm confused on which would pop quicker? Cause the speed and effort are related?
The madness is a funny thing because all it takes is one good session on gear you swear mathematically or scientifically does not work for your preferences to go "now, wait a minute, why do I like this?"
Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.Nah they won't stick out much. You can run them in an 8.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
Expand QuoteHas anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?[close]
you’ll be fine.
some pros and cons imo: hot rodding is more stable, but wheelbites quicker. i like my ollies, when im going faster, on the wider trucks.
the quick wheelbiting, means less turning, but more pinching.
visually i’ve liked the way it looks, but i can be convinced to like the way magic carpet looks too.
i’m riding an extreme hotrod rn, and i really like it, but most often i find that it messes with my flip tricks
its not going to be that noticeable, imo.
i have forged baseplate, solid axle 148s and they are very good.
...Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?[close]
you’ll be fine.
some pros and cons imo: hot rodding is more stable, but wheelbites quicker. i like my ollies, when im going faster, on the wider trucks.
the quick wheelbiting, means less turning, but more pinching.
visually i’ve liked the way it looks, but i can be convinced to like the way magic carpet looks too.
i’m riding an extreme hotrod rn, and i really like it, but most often i find that it messes with my flip tricks
its not going to be that noticeable, imo.
i have forged baseplate, solid axle 148s and they are very good.[close]
That does seem like a good combo. One of the "old 00s pro" street guys I know has that setup, always on DLX proddy so a Real / Krooked 8.06 deck, the forged baseplate on 148s with 50 or 51 mm Classic Spitfire wheels and he makes that thing work like a dream.
To look at his board I cannot see wheel sticking out at all from standing on it, just the axle nuts and it is very stable. He says that combo works better for him, the forged baseplate keeping it low, the 148 hanger being a bit taller so more kingpin clearance than 147s, the fairly small wheels, not too wide, super street tech and ledge / manny / rail tricks for days.
I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
Quite many homies of mine seem to rock 8.25 decks with Indy 149's and speak highly of the combo. I've always been more of a magic carpet guy. Most often riding 8.25 with either Venture 5.6 or Indy 144s, which both result in tiny bit of carpet. Having said that, would be interesting to try a more of a hot rodded setup.I find that I skated the best in this stage of life on 8.25 with 8.5 trucks.
I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
Can't wait to try 8 on AF-1 44. Should be fun.Expand QuoteI used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.[close]
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.
Been injured for a while and getting close to the okay to skate again. I normally like 8.25/14.25 with ventures. I have attempted to get 8.5/14.5 to work as I know there are benefits for me since i'm 6'3" size 12 shoes, but I haven't had luck. I'm just wondering if it's even remotely possible to make 8.5/14.5 feel as light/flippy as 8.25/14.25 with Indy or Ace (or anything) since they don't push out the wheelbase as much?
Can't wait to try 8 on AF-1 44. Should be fun.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.[close]
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.[close]
From which board size were you coming from?Expand QuoteCan't wait to try 8 on AF-1 44. Should be fun.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.[close]
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.[close][close]
i've been on that setup (dlx 8.06 on AF1 44) for the past 2 years or so, and haven't looked back since.
From which board size were you coming from?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan't wait to try 8 on AF-1 44. Should be fun.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.[close]
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.[close][close]
i've been on that setup (dlx 8.06 on AF1 44) for the past 2 years or so, and haven't looked back since.[close]
So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
^^why don’t you give us your full madness take on it..just for fun!I second this. Give me things to read, dammit!
I second this. Give me things to read, dammit!Expand Quote^^why don’t you give us your full madness take on it..just for fun![close]
Expand QuoteI second this. Give me things to read, dammit!Expand Quote^^why don’t you give us your full madness take on it..just for fun![close][close]
Ive decided to go from 54 to 53 I will report back 8)
Thunder: cast baseplates. Good: light, quicker pop, grind well, low Bad: wheel bite.
Venture: forged plates. Good: stability but you can still ride them loose. Flipability, manual lock is super good. Hefty pop. Bad: don’t grind as well, people don’t like how they turn.
I like Ventures more but totally understand why people skate thunders…..both are good trucks….
af-1 44s on an 8” are nice!
Someone talk to me about switching from Indy to venture. Plz
Expand QuoteSomeone talk to me about switching from Indy to venture. Plz[close]
Do you hate turning and grinding? Venture is the truck for you.
+1Expand Quoteaf-1 44s on an 8” are nice![close]
I swear by this setup.
Just measured mine and the grindable hanger space is only 137mm. They basically are 8" trucks. Which kinda sucks if you've bought them for an 8.25...Expand Quoteaf-1 44s on an 8” are nice![close]
I swear by this setup.
Someone talk to me about switching from Indy to venture. Plz
For me, Indys are a simple truth.
I'm already bummed on my wheel selection and it hasn't arrived yet.Hey you got new wheels! Noice.
I'm worried about the 97a thing. I just got switch speed check slides back.
I'm worrying it's going to be crazy sticky.
I should have just gotten 60mm classics.
Been having some major wheel madness. Went from 60mm classics (spit f4) to 55mm tablets. Hurt my ankle and wanted a lower board for easier pop.
Loving no risers and a lower board but the tablet noticeably slowed my grinds down and fucked up my scoop tricks so after about four months switched to a 54mm radial. It’s perfect but I’m worried I’m gonna burn through em especially with my city’s super rough ground.
Looking at this skate warehouse sale I wanna get a set of backups but I’m troubled on size. Without risers and riding Indy’s about 40% tightened over flushed would (I weigh about 145) a 56mm radial be cutting it close wheelbite wise with no risers? I wish I could find 55mm radial on sale I feel like that would be a perfect wheel.
Expand QuoteBeen having some major wheel madness. Went from 60mm classics (spit f4) to 55mm tablets. Hurt my ankle and wanted a lower board for easier pop.
Loving no risers and a lower board but the tablet noticeably slowed my grinds down and fucked up my scoop tricks so after about four months switched to a 54mm radial. It’s perfect but I’m worried I’m gonna burn through em especially with my city’s super rough ground.
Looking at this skate warehouse sale I wanna get a set of backups but I’m troubled on size. Without risers and riding Indy’s about 40% tightened over flushed would (I weigh about 145) a 56mm radial be cutting it close wheelbite wise with no risers? I wish I could find 55mm radial on sale I feel like that would be a perfect wheel.[close]
You'll be fine. I've ridden 56 mm Classics on loose forged Indys with no risers and haven't had a problem with wheelbite.
Hey you got new wheels! Noice.Expand QuoteI'm already bummed on my wheel selection and it hasn't arrived yet.
I'm worried about the 97a thing. I just got switch speed check slides back.
I'm worrying it's going to be crazy sticky.
I should have just gotten 60mm classics.[close]
Hey man I feel you…. I bought x99’s and they were just not what I was hoping for and gave them to a friend for an early Christmas present.
You might like them. Don’t worry. Maybe you’ll hate them, trade them or sell them and get a new set.
Okay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.
Expand QuoteOkay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.[close]
Spray Paint.
a local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.
Well pals, getting them ready for spray paint. (I wasn’t able to find a gun psycho… oh well next time)
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOkay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.[close]
Spray Paint.[close]Expand Quotea local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.[close]
I like these very much. Thank you
I will search out a gun weirdo on Craigslist. (Or go get some matte textured spray paint… whichever comes first)
I gotchu. No worries.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOkay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.[close]
Spray Paint.[close]Expand Quotea local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.[close]
I like these very much. Thank you
I will search out a gun weirdo on Craigslist. (Or go get some matte textured spray paint… whichever comes first)[close]
I specifically mentioned weirdo because the only people that actually cerakote guns are the ones that want to paint their firearms so they're pretend armed forces. Super common among the AR-15 crowd. But, it's a very durable coating that sticks to tons of surfaces.
Not bad :)about to do the same to my red baseplates
I saw a hot pink matte at the store and almost got it. Next time…. Or spray over this black when I’m bored of it. Or white matte with this white board.
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
had already started before i saw this postExpand Quote
about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream[close]
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
Noice. Is that matte or gloss? Looks gloss.had already started before i saw this postExpand QuoteExpand Quote
about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream[close]
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do[close]
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)
behr premium black gloss spray paint and primerNoice. Is that matte or gloss? Looks gloss.Expand Quotehad already started before i saw this postExpand QuoteExpand Quote
about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream[close]
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do[close]
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)[close]
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.
Clear Red Venture bushings??? :o ;Dbehr premium black gloss spray paint and primerExpand QuoteNoice. Is that matte or gloss? Looks gloss.Expand Quotehad already started before i saw this postExpand QuoteExpand Quote
about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream[close]
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do[close]
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)[close]
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.[close]
know had all the options in the world
but red and black are my favorite colors
pretty much completes my setup
all i need now are white or red bushings
was thinking mini logo red in 100aClear Red Venture bushings??? :o ;DExpand Quotebehr premium black gloss spray paint and primerExpand QuoteNoice. Is that matte or gloss? Looks gloss.Expand Quotehad already started before i saw this postExpand QuoteExpand Quote
about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream[close]
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do[close]
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)[close]
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.[close]
know had all the options in the world
but red and black are my favorite colors
pretty much completes my setup
all i need now are white or red bushings[close]
Stepped on my buddies 8.5 antihero truefit today and I’m not sure how to interpret it. My ollie felt the best it ever has…I could bone it out and pop super high. But it felt so damn short and unstable
Expand QuoteStepped on my buddies 8.5 antihero truefit today and I’m not sure how to interpret it. My ollie felt the best it ever has…I could bone it out and pop super high. But it felt so damn short and unstable[close]
I have the same experience on short boards when I'm moving at slow to moderate speeds but it vanishes when I skate as normal. It's like it's super easy to get up, but so light and nimble it's hard to not overdo things.
Glad it’s not just me!! Some people can hop on boards with a drastic difference in wheelbase and can make it work. But I am not one of those skaters. 14.3-14.5 with some Indy’s and that seems to be good. Even 14.25 on Indy’s is pushing it in terms of the board feeling too short.
Even though it's winter and my knees hurt, my skating is better than ever. Think it's mostly cause my setup hasn't changed since August. Gonna stick with it in 2024.
I didn't want to get attached to one shape out of fear it'd be discontinued. Don't think that's an issue with Crailtap. But in case, I'll stock up on G053s. It's not the "perfect" shape, but it's good enough.
That might be the trick. Is to make a decision to stick with one shape.
I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
Expand QuoteI'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.[close]
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.[close]
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...[close]
My deepest condolences.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.[close]
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...[close]
My deepest condolences.
There is no “right”. There is no “wrong”.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.[close]
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...[close]
My deepest condolences.[close]
It's ok to be wrong.
Expand QuoteI'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.[close]
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
Because is fun.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.[close]
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...[close]
I'll wager that the further you head into madness, the more likely you don't actually know your goldilocks setup. If you did, why would you keep tinkering or buying new things to the point of no longer skating anything remotely close to what's ideal?
There's a lot of reasons why someone might not remember their Goldilocks:
1. They don't actually spend a long period on any setup.
2. Think that this term implies 100% of tricks must feel optimal.
3. Are unrealistic about 2 being possible.
4. We all have bias in our memory recall. People are particularly bad at remembering details even from a few hours back. You might remember something being 100% great when in reality it was only 70%. You try it again and that 30% that isn't perfect seems new and horrible and you wonder how it was so great before and the madness ensues.
5. As you get better and expand your skills you might start having preferences for certain tricks that make certain configurations more or less optimal.
I'm fine with knowing my recent Goldilocks not being perfect. It's just the most well rounded thing I can grab for 90% of my skating and it doesn't actually hold me back. Things that take more effort are things I don't have on lock and likely benefit from focusing on more. Spending more time on it has only helped me actually figure out how to adapt and learn to compensate for things I wasn't immediately 100% at.
I think a good lesson here, and something that has been said in this thread, is the notion that your Goldilocks might not mean that 100% of your tricks/feeling is there. However, is enough of what you need there to make it work? If you can tinker with a setup to get it like 80% “perfect” then you’re golden. From there…you can really learn or perfect what you’re missing through practice. Something that stirs my madness is the idea that “if I had x set up with y trucks, then my crooks/tre flips/whatever will be better.” While that may be true, if I switch my setup…then a handful of other tricks might be affected.
im in the end stages of madnessWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :o
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
zumiez (not my fault)Well mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
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lol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)zumiez (not my fault)Expand QuoteWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)[close][close]
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
search “spitfire multi swirl”lol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)Expand Quotezumiez (not my fault)Expand QuoteWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)[close][close]
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm[close]
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
Thanks. I really wish Bones didn’t have awful graphics. Spitfire has way better.search “spitfire multi swirl”Expand Quotelol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)Expand Quotezumiez (not my fault)Expand QuoteWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)[close][close]
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm[close]
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D[close]
they were stocked by a ton of real skate shops earlier in 2023
any stock left is the last of them
Well mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
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blacklistboardshop.com has some. I found a set of 52's at my local play it again sports.lol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)Expand Quotezumiez (not my fault)Expand QuoteWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)[close][close]
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm[close]
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
Just switched from 8.38 twin, 14.33, 51mm to 9.0 egg, 13.88, 57mm. Using the same 8.25 trucks.
Starting the year as mad as possible
Thanks yo.blacklistboardshop.com has some. I found a set of 52's at my local play it again sports.Expand Quotelol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)Expand Quotezumiez (not my fault)Expand QuoteWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)[close][close]
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm[close]
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D[close]
I think they were more or less standard price. Skate-wise it's usually miscellaneous price point stuff but you get lucky sometimes and they always have reds & hardware. I pop in when I'm in the area.Thanks yo.Expand Quoteblacklistboardshop.com has some. I found a set of 52's at my local play it again sports.Expand Quotelol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)Expand Quotezumiez (not my fault)Expand QuoteWell mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :oExpand Quoteim in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)[close][close]
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm[close]
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D[close][close]
Google shopping turned up one or two other small shops as well.
Play it again! Noice. Must have been like $20?
It works. I absolutely love this setup. After a month of struggling and just not feeling right on the 8.38, this 9" setup does exactly what I want. It even flips much easier. Ollies feel right again and give me so much more confidence to jump on rails without missing the lock.Expand QuoteJust switched from 8.38 twin, 14.33, 51mm to 9.0 egg, 13.88, 57mm. Using the same 8.25 trucks.
Starting the year as mad as possible[close]
you chose chaos for 2024. Godspeed
I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.Once you go X, it’s what you’ll always expect.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.I have dragons on my cruiser and almost died getting stuck trying to 5050 a quarter pipe. Please tell me this gets better as I break it in because I am not going to wax coping and the wheels work well on other obstacles.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
I have dragons on my cruiser and almost died getting stuck trying to 5050 a quarter pipe. Please tell me this gets better as I break it in because I am not going to wax coping and the wheels work well on other obstacles.Expand QuoteI started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste[close]
Expand QuoteI have dragons on my cruiser and almost died getting stuck trying to 5050 a quarter pipe. Please tell me this gets better as I break it in because I am not going to wax coping and the wheels work well on other obstacles.Expand QuoteI started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste[close][close]
I got that a couple times at first but not so much anymore. This wheel has changed skating for me more than any other piece of gear ever has its insane
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have dragons on my cruiser and almost died getting stuck trying to 5050 a quarter pipe. Please tell me this gets better as I break it in because I am not going to wax coping and the wheels work well on other obstacles.Expand QuoteI started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste[close][close]
I got that a couple times at first but not so much anymore. This wheel has changed skating for me more than any other piece of gear ever has its insane[close]
i haven’t given my dragons the time, skated them maybe 5xs.
my opinion is that they are keyframes. i don’t get it. they are cruiser wheels. this other stuff about them being the gift hasn’t matched up with my experiences.
but pushing down the street and ollieing up curbs is sick. truly.
I have two main setups rn and they are basically the same I used to have really bad madness trying all sorts of gear to see what I liked best and the conclusion was just to skate what you got in the end if you worry too much it’s just gonna fuck you over but I think it was beneficial to my skating somehow if you’re willing to take that plunge. My point is I still have some gear lying around from when I bought a bunch of stuff to try and I recently switched to 97a conicals on an 8.4 baker to skate an indoor park all winter then I bought and 8.5 baker and it didn’t feel quite right with the conicals something about it being a little less poiny than the 8.4 and my wheels being completely even with the deck made me have to switch back to the 99 radials I had setup before which are rounder wheels for it basically just not to bother me as much when I look down. But I still want to use the 97 conicals for the indoor park so I went back to my 8.4 baker but I also had brand new Thunder 151s lights left over from when I went crazy buying new shit I didn’t need so against my better judgement I currently have two super similar setups both with risers and thunders one with 54mm 99a radials on the 8.5 baker and the other one with 56mm 97a conicals on the 8.4 baker. I’m kinda hyped on baker too rn it’s been a while since I’ve had one and it currently feels the best rn I have no intention on switching anytime soon I’ll probably keep buying baker boards till I rot and die tbh. So long story short I don’t know why I have two setups it kinda just happened but I feel like the small difference between the two is kinda helping me skate in some weird way making me adjust how I do stuff ever so slightly (creating new neurological pathways in my skateboarding brain) Plus it’s kinda nice to spice it up and ride something else when I feel like it without it being too different where I can’t land my usual tricks. If anyone has time to read all this feel free to tell me how delusional I am or kook me as much as you like for the somewhat disgusting behavior of having more than 1 setup cause I’ve always been under the impression it’s kinda crazy to have more than 1 at a time until recently. I’ll probably go back to just 1 eventually but let me cook
Great advice saying skate what you got. And I probably will eventually. It just sucks when I got all this new gear for a new setup that I don't enjoy/ feel like is making me worse.
Should change my CF for some V5?
Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
Expand QuoteWas at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.[close]
If you still had those Venture trucks, they would work on that board with the shorter wheelbase, but it is still not Indy on 14.38 wb and I know you know that too.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWas at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.[close]
If you still had those Venture trucks, they would work on that board with the shorter wheelbase, but it is still not Indy on 14.38 wb and I know you know that too.[close]
I actually still do have them. But I don’t like milk all that much. I really hate Gin, too. Milk and Gin mixed together? No thanks. :)
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I actually set that up the other day, even the blue bushings and it is a fun setup, so I could see how that would work so well for you, or anyone else who wanted to try it for that matter.
What else is on your usual board?
DLX 8.25 IV stamp deck
Indy forged hollow 144 trucks with blue 92 cylinder bushings
Spitfire Classic 53 mm 99 duro wheels
Bearings?
Grip?
Bolts?
Any other mods or changes to what would be a fairly easy setup to make from all stock parts?
Helping with your madness to make more of my own...
Good fun though seeing what others ride / have as their preferred setup when I have done that before in the past.
After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.
you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
The real question is tho... Are you wheels really the size you say they are?
I know my wheels isent 54mm anymore, after a couple of months. More like 51-52mm. Wheels shred atleast 1mm per month, if you skate streets or rougher parks
Expand QuoteAfter years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.[close]
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
I actually made the forbidden move and bought some x99 54mm to give it a try
From my haze 54mm I find the difference to be massive. I feel like riding 95duro wheels because they are not as loud and create way less vibrations, comfort difference is huge.
For the slide part it does feel the same as my previous 99 even though I find the sliding to be more progressive.
I can’t really feel any difference between decks when it’s the same width as I’m quite new to skating, but those wheels make such a difference, might be my best investment until now ! I’m so curious about x97 for skating rougher spots, commute on the road etc
52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.Absolutely! This thought is how I got over the mental block.
you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.[close]
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.[close]
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? 😅 Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
Expand Quoteyou don't know what you are missing not riding 56s[close]
No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.[close]
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.[close]
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? 😅 Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.[close]
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.
Absolutely! This thought is how I got over the mental block.Expand Quote52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.[close]
you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
Expand Quoteyou don't know what you are missing not riding 56s[close]
56s are the truth. So are 60s.
I tried ma indy's in mini ramps, and I kinda liked it. The smoother grind, and the turn makes slashes kinda easier then Thunder... Now I consider just to skate Indy's everywhere...
But my wheels are only 50mm... I kinda want to try bigger wheeels, 53-54mm should be ideal for indoor mini ramps ye?
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteyou don't know what you are missing not riding 56s[close]
No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.[close]
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.[close]
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.[close]
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.[close]
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteyou don't know what you are missing not riding 56s[close]
No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.[close]
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.[close]
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.[close]
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.[close]
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.[close]
It might work for some, and I've tried it a few times, but a barrel bottom in thunders just ruins the turn/unique thunder characteristics for me, there is a reason why they ship with conicals, ya know?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteyou don't know what you are missing not riding 56s[close]
No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.[close]
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.[close]
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.[close]
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.[close]
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.[close]
It might work for some, and I've tried it a few times, but a barrel bottom in thunders just ruins the turn/unique thunder characteristics for me, there is a reason why they ship with conicals, ya know?[close]
you are correct.
i feel similarly, but to a much, much lesser extent, about conicals in ventures: i might do it every few years or so, increases the turn, lessens the pop, for me.
Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites. I was skating an 8.3 twin habitat which felt pretty good for everything except my ollie. I swear it made me ollie like a damn beginner no matter what foot position I tried. And I even tried giving it time but I just couldn't ollie right on it which is a deal breaker. It just felt way too steep and the kicks didn't have the spoon like concave that usual bbs boards have.
It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.
Aight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?
Not really shocking at all. Just thought it was a funny coincidence that you brought up that shape not working for you.Expand QuoteIt's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.[close]
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.
Not really shocking at all. Just thought it was a funny coincidence that you brought up that shape not working for you.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.[close]
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.[close]
Lol I know exactly what you mean. We know what we like yet we still try things we know we don't like thinking it will be different this time.Expand QuoteNot really shocking at all. Just thought it was a funny coincidence that you brought up that shape not working for you.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.[close]
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.[close][close]
I have this bad habit of occasionally thinking that I should/would like 14.25 (or smaller) wheelbases, and getting something 14.25 to try out. The result have never changed; they simply do not work for me. So, why do I occasionally keep trying them again? Well, there is a reason I’m a regular poster in this thread. :)
Aight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?
Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Expand QuoteUnpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.[close]
Sometimes when you are skating well and at the top of your game the madness calls also.
"If I'm skating this well with this ______ then surely with _____, Il'be skate even better."
Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Me too, broski. I ain’t and never was talented at skating compared to others.Expand QuoteUnpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.[close]
i am awful, and i buy boards to see if that helps things. it doesn’t.
I think maybe the madness is the extra spending money we have as we’re older (hopefully more, apologies if not), and the madness is a way to still be involved with skating at a high level when we can’t do it at as high a level trick or physcially wise.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteUnpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.[close]
Sometimes when you are skating well and at the top of your game the madness calls also.
"If I'm skating this well with this ______ then surely with _____, Il'be skate even better."[close]
it is difficult for me to remember a time when i was feeling really good on board, but i do agree with this as well (the skating well, but lusting for the greener grass).
for me the ‘gear madness’, lines up with mental health issues i’ve been diagnosed with, consumerism, limited time to skate, an aging body, etc etc
the last 10 years have been more about experimentation with equipment, than ‘progressing’ with skating.
I think maybe the madness is the extra spending money we have as we’re older (hopefully more, apologies if not)
Expand QuoteAight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?[close]
Have you skated his board and been able to do whatever it is he can't do?
Often that pushes boundaries but I recall one guy who was so pissed at whatever it was he was trying and we all kind of knew he was not doing it right, but it took someone else grabbing his board doing exactly what he was trying and showing him that it was not the board, it was the guy not doing it right.
For some that would be game over, but for others, they might actually see that they need to change things up in the way they skate, more so than blame the board or whatever it is that is not working.
Conversely, has he been able to do the tricks on your board, or any other board? That would be the easiest way to see whether or not it is the human or the skateboard that needs to change.
Just a thought anyway and not a worry if that option is not a good one.
Is the dream of an all-encompassing overall setup just a pipe dream?
Yeah, that was more of a rhetorical rant than a dead serious question. Through gear madness and learning about oneself via performing the art of skating, one can at least narrow down the options somewhat. Unless one enjoys having several setups, which is all good as well.
Regarding the food analogy -- I don't skate 2-3 times everyday, plus with food I of course want a significantly larger amount of variation between dishes. Point being that with food -- unless you're travelling to Mars -- you don't want to optimize your "setup" to cover all bases. That'd be just plain boring. With skating, there are a lot of people, myself included, who aim towards a minimal number of different variables. More or less unsuccessfully, of course, but that's where the joy of yelling at clouds waltzes through the door.
Been going through some classic truck madness. I want the absolute best setup for 50-50 on circle rails. What would y’all suggest. I keep coming back to ventures specifically 6.1(but I don’t like the turn(which is probably why it locks so good)) I’m also using 99a 56 conical fulls. Any suggestions on a great lock-in truck and wheel combo? I’m learning how to cross lock
On some days the bigger deck and wb feel perfect and solid. Then all of a sudden on some days it feels like a fucking boat and I can't seem to friggin' ollie it off the ground. Then I switch to the smaller deck and feel light and springy for a bit, especially on flat/curbs/etc.. And then I hit transitions and start to miss the longer deck and wb.
Deck size aside, I can't seem to figure out if Indys or Ventures are better for me. Some days the Indys feel great but then all of a sudden they feel soggy and I lose my pop. Ventures feel solid but some sessions feel off with regards to grinds and turns especially on tranny.
Is there a possible middle ground or should I just stop whining and just resort to riding two different setups depending on the spot/obstacles? Is the dream of an all-encompassing overall setup just a pipe dream?
Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
Expand QuoteHey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.[close]
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.[close]
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.[close]
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.
I fucking love skateboarding to no end and all this madness is really a kind of an enjoyable version of the Stockholm syndrome, if you will.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.[close]
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.[close]
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
Had that happen a whole lot and had to reconfigure myself, not my setup to make sure I got down low enough to get the board off the ground enough, etc.
Not that it is a be all and end all, but I think that could be more relevant than changing up a board that used to work well but now feels different, or you are having issues with.
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.[close]
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.[close]
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
Had that happen a whole lot and had to reconfigure myself, not my setup to make sure I got down low enough to get the board off the ground enough, etc.
Not that it is a be all and end all, but I think that could be more relevant than changing up a board that used to work well but now feels different, or you are having issues with.
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.[close]
I'm just a 22 yo individual. I think, or at least hope, I'm not classified as 'old.' But yeah, sometimes I get feelings that I'm too lazy to pop. Especially on 360 flips, I've started noticing that there's too much space between my tail and the ground, and I feel like I need to scoop/pop more. It feels uncomfortable and unstable.
I'll try ventures with forged baseplates and go up to 8.1 deck, to eliminate unstable factor; maybe that will fix the issue. Thanks.
Feel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.
Yeah that's what got me. I had tons of money to blow and no hobbies. Compared to gaming, skateboarding is cheap and I found myself just buying shit. I've slipped up this year with shoes, and now I have some Wair Max I'll never skate. My setup is decided though.Expand QuoteFeel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.[close]
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.
Yeah that's what got me. I had tons of money to blow and no hobbies. Compared to gaming, skateboarding is cheap and I found myself just buying shit. I've slipped up this year with shoes, and now I have some Wair Max I'll never skate. My setup is decided though.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFeel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.[close]
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.[close]
I stopped skating for a little over a year and when I got back into it I had some madness mixed with curiosity about gear I hadn't skated before. My other hobby is photography which is way more expensive than skateboarding so I ran into the same problem of just buying anything and everything. It's easy not to impulse buy an $800 lens but $40-50 for a set of trucks or wheels is so hard to say no to.Yeah that's what got me. I had tons of money to blow and no hobbies. Compared to gaming, skateboarding is cheap and I found myself just buying shit. I've slipped up this year with shoes, and now I have some Wair Max I'll never skate. My setup is decided though.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFeel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.[close]
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.[close]
I can't recall who on here said it but I'll paraphrase - do you have gear madness or do you just enjoy shopping?
Oh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol
First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.And then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classics
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
And then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classicsExpand QuoteFirst madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.[close]
That’s good to hear. I’m in the US and keep my shoes in a chill/dark closet.Expand QuoteOh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol[close]
If you're in the US shoes will last a long time, got a few pairs of NB 868 from a Pal on here which have to be at least 5-6 years old and they're holding up just fine (knock on wood). But they heat and humidity of the tropics wrecks the glue and foam on shoes.
Expand QuoteAnd then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classicsExpand QuoteFirst madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.[close][close]
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
Really interested in your experience downhill with x97’s.Expand QuoteAnd then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classicsExpand QuoteFirst madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.[close][close]
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
That’s good to hear. I’m in the US and keep my shoes in a chill/dark closet.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol[close]
If you're in the US shoes will last a long time, got a few pairs of NB 868 from a Pal on here which have to be at least 5-6 years old and they're holding up just fine (knock on wood). But they heat and humidity of the tropics wrecks the glue and foam on shoes.[close]
Expand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
Expand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and the only real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the Foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
Really interested in your experience downhill with x97’s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classicsExpand QuoteFirst madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.[close][close]
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.[close]
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)
For 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
Expand QuoteI am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)[close]
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)[close]
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.[close]
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)[close]
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.[close]
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.[close]
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)[close]
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.[close]
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.[close]
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.[close]
Thanks, greatly appreciated. New updated list.
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Independent Stage 11 (144 size)
Bearings - Bones Reds
Wheels - Spitfire 52-54mm Conical 99a (Sizes vary because if I can find them at my local stores)
Other - Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)[close]
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.[close]
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.[close]
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.[close]
Thanks, greatly appreciated. New updated list.
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Independent Stage 11 (144 size)
Bearings - Bones Reds
Wheels - Spitfire 52-54mm Conical 99a (Sizes vary because if I can find them at my local stores)
Other - Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)[close]
That's an alright setup.
One thing: if the ground you'll be skating on is mostly rough, I'd pick a wheel from the larger end of the spectrum (54mm, even 55mm). It'll make pushing around feel less painful. 52mm or smaller hard wheels on rough terrain can be, well, rough.
Good luck, skate hard!
144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.For 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.[close]
144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.Expand QuoteFor 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.[close][close]
Expand Quote144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.Expand QuoteFor 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.[close][close][close]
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125
Lol I flip 8in just fine on 149 (Taylor Nawrocki style). But yes, old man yelling at the industry clouds of flooded product. Prob need some inverted mid 144’s hollows to fix my skate game. I call it a joke because trying to retroactively corner a market of 8.25 skaters past the popularity of their resurgence (by what’s now considered a toy company no less) can be taken as being out of touch, hence a “joke”. God I’m aging myself. Using ‘Drew to market it too like they made the truck for him to try and tap in to that market of madness, which is all they generated. Looking at Venture site 5.6 is still marketed as NEW. I’m sure 147’s are not far off in the timeline.Expand QuoteExpand Quote144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.Expand QuoteFor 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.[close][close][close]
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125[close]
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.
Lol I flip 8in just fine on 149 (Taylor Nawrocki style). But yes, old man yelling at the industry clouds of flooded product. Prob need some inverted mid 144’s hollows to fix my skate game. I call it a joke because trying to retroactively corner a market of 8.25 skaters past the popularity of their resurgence (by what’s now considered a toy company no less) can be taken as being out of touch, hence a “joke”. God I’m aging myself. Using ‘Drew to market it too like they made the truck for him to try and tap in to that market of madness, which is all they generated. Looking at Venture site 5.6 is still marketed as NEW. I’m sure 147’s are not far off in the timeline.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.Expand QuoteFor 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.[close][close][close]
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125[close]
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.[close]
Definitely, without a doubt. Actually kinda cringe to me when I see people skating ‘em. Selling old geometry is definitely a gimmick. Does not align with a business model or years of progression and development.Expand QuoteLol I flip 8in just fine on 149 (Taylor Nawrocki style). But yes, old man yelling at the industry clouds of flooded product. Prob need some inverted mid 144’s hollows to fix my skate game. I call it a joke because trying to retroactively corner a market of 8.25 skaters past the popularity of their resurgence (by what’s now considered a toy company no less) can be taken as being out of touch, hence a “joke”. God I’m aging myself. Using ‘Drew to market it too like they made the truck for him to try and tap in to that market of madness, which is all they generated. Looking at Venture site 5.6 is still marketed as NEW. I’m sure 147’s are not far off in the timeline.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.Expand QuoteFor 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not[close]
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?[close]
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.[close][close][close]
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125[close]
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.[close][close]
Fair enough brother, but I'd much more call things like the Indy Stage IV's a gimmick and unnecessary addition to the oversaturated market as compared to 8.25 trucks which managed to fill a real rational need for people who don't want to either magic carpet nor hot rod.
I've had a good ol' time on my 144s for all I know, and as said, they are perfect for an 8.125 deck.
Dam are my af1 44’s just a gimmick?? It’s all a lie??!!!!Lmaooo. Yes. Yes it is.
I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Thanks dog, that is most certainly useful in case I ever feel the urge to powerslide going downhill. The powerslides I try on flat smooth concrete in the x97's, V1's are really sticky and don't work well most of the time. I do miss the SPF Bones in that regard. Downside of f4 99's in smooth park concrete is they are not as fast as either SPF or x97's. (x97's are suprisingly fast on smooth concrete!)Expand QuoteReally interested in your experience downhill with x97’s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classicsExpand QuoteFirst madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.[close][close]
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.[close]
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)[close]
@JM
@Zane
tried my x97, v1 shape, 52mm, on a rugged downhill. they were alright. speed checks worked.
then tried my 55 dragons. waaaay faster, much less speed check. uncomfortably fast in parts of the road.
for me, both wheels slide around 180, but the 90 back to straight is more difficult, for me, than say f4s.
ended up just cruising around on the dragons. they are kinda like sweatpants or slip on shoes…just lazy/easy.
if the x97s were a bigger wheel, i’m sure they would have been the move. i got these small and thin to ride on low trucks, so not exactly hill bomb optimized.
hope this isn’t as useless as it reads back to me
Thanks dog, that is most certainly useful in case I ever feel the urge to powerslide going downhill. The powerslides I try on flat smooth concrete in the x97's, V1's are really sticky and don't work well most of the time. I do miss the SPF Bones in that regard. Downside of f4 99's in smooth park concrete is they are not as fast as either SPF or x97's. (x97's are suprisingly fast on smooth concrete!)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteReally interested in your experience downhill with x97’s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classicsExpand QuoteFirst madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.[close][close]
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.[close]
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)[close]
@JM
@Zane
tried my x97, v1 shape, 52mm, on a rugged downhill. they were alright. speed checks worked.
then tried my 55 dragons. waaaay faster, much less speed check. uncomfortably fast in parts of the road.
for me, both wheels slide around 180, but the 90 back to straight is more difficult, for me, than say f4s.
ended up just cruising around on the dragons. they are kinda like sweatpants or slip on shoes…just lazy/easy.
if the x97s were a bigger wheel, i’m sure they would have been the move. i got these small and thin to ride on low trucks, so not exactly hill bomb optimized.
hope this isn’t as useless as it reads back to me[close]
I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
Expand QuoteI'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?[close]
Can't go wrong. I've used Quantums and Bones a lot over the last couple of years. If I had to definitively state what's worked best, longest for me, its Swiss 6. But Isotopes are a very close second and have an appeal as a smaller low key company ran by skate nerds.
For me is swiss 6, swiss, HKD 5Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?[close]
Can't go wrong. I've used Quantums and Bones a lot over the last couple of years. If I had to definitively state what's worked best, longest for me, its Swiss 6. But Isotopes are a very close second and have an appeal as a smaller low key company ran by skate nerds.[close]
Dope, might give the Isotopes a solid shot then, since I can only get my hands on Swiss 7-balls.
I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
Expand QuoteI'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?[close]
I've learned the hard way: nothing but Swiss / Swiss 6.
Ok maybe this is one of those things I just have to deal with. I switched from venture (my favorite truck) to Indy cause I kept hitting axel in like 5/6 months on venture. Settled on Indy’s with the blue bushings (more stability and great turn, love em now).
Only problem is now the axel is starting to peek out 5 months in. Crook of course comes first but that barely counts. Switched hangers when the crooks started barking on the (metal) skatepark ledge on my weekday sessions and when I was switching noticed the axel poking out on the back hanger.
I can’t even slappy so this doesn’t feel justified. I skate a lot of crusty ledges so I’m guessing that’s the culprit and I hate breaking trucks in. I always thought of Indy as being the longest lasting truck. Any suggestions on a truck that’s somehow more durable than Indy? Or should I just accept I’m gonna go through two sets of trucks a year?
My 2024 goal is learning slappys (might be lofty that shit seems impossible) which I’m sure will make this problem significantly worse.
I switched to Venture because thunders ground out too fast....Ventures are meatier and harder ie. don't grind as well, but last longer. Indy's are great (there I said it) but heavy and well...the t-shirts are gross....
Don't feel the need to do a slappy.....
Expand QuoteOk maybe this is one of those things I just have to deal with. I switched from venture (my favorite truck) to Indy cause I kept hitting axel in like 5/6 months on venture. Settled on Indy’s with the blue bushings (more stability and great turn, love em now).
Only problem is now the axel is starting to peek out 5 months in. Crook of course comes first but that barely counts. Switched hangers when the crooks started barking on the (metal) skatepark ledge on my weekday sessions and when I was switching noticed the axel poking out on the back hanger.
I can’t even slappy so this doesn’t feel justified. I skate a lot of crusty ledges so I’m guessing that’s the culprit and I hate breaking trucks in. I always thought of Indy as being the longest lasting truck. Any suggestions on a truck that’s somehow more durable than Indy? Or should I just accept I’m gonna go through two sets of trucks a year?
My 2024 goal is learning slappys (might be lofty that shit seems impossible) which I’m sure will make this problem significantly worse.[close]
I think you just gotta take pride in the fact that you’re skating frequently and hard enough to hit axle in 5-6 months, and use it as an opportunity to treat yourself to some fresh new trucks.
Venture and Indy are both on the longer end of durability for me, definitely last longer than my Aces. The only other option may be Thunder, but why give up a nice turn/grind for a couple extra weeks of grinding? Plus thunders stink.
Ventures on 8.25 wheelbases?
Ventures on 8.25 wheelbases?What is this? A wheelbase for ants?
The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
Expand QuoteThe madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.[close]
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.
The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.[close]
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.[close]
Yeah that was my go to for a long, long time.
AH black eagle or similar 8.125 or other 8.18 sized boards on 139s, more often than not with wider wheels to make it feel a little more comfortable and as you said, three washers on the inside as a matter of principle.
Then when 144s came out, I switched up to those and could ride smaller / normal shaped wheels with only a washer or two on the inside which brought the wheels out a bit more and was comfortable for me.
Other people who had tried it said it messed with them too much, as they were way more comfortable on 139s than on 144s, so even that difference from 8 to 8.25" trucks can be a good thing for some people like me, or a bad thing for others I know.
If you are set on that truck size, then changing boards is often easier than getting a new set of trucks to go on the slightly wider board.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.[close]
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.[close]
Yeah that was my go to for a long, long time.
AH black eagle or similar 8.125 or other 8.18 sized boards on 139s, more often than not with wider wheels to make it feel a little more comfortable and as you said, three washers on the inside as a matter of principle.
Then when 144s came out, I switched up to those and could ride smaller / normal shaped wheels with only a washer or two on the inside which brought the wheels out a bit more and was comfortable for me.
Other people who had tried it said it messed with them too much, as they were way more comfortable on 139s than on 144s, so even that difference from 8 to 8.25" trucks can be a good thing for some people like me, or a bad thing for others I know.
If you are set on that truck size, then changing boards is often easier than getting a new set of trucks to go on the slightly wider board.[close]
This is why I only ride .25/.50/.75 decks…so trucks match up. Can’t deal with the bastard children (.01/.3/.6/etc.).
I was skating a ledge next to a fountain and my board briefly went into the water, like under 5 seconds. I took it out bounced it around… rolls fine… bearings don’t feel or sound fucked. They’re like they were before going into the water. Should I clean and lube them? This happened about a week ago.It’s entirely possible that no water got inside the bearings because of the surface tension/cohesion (provided you skate normally with shields on like the good lord intended).
Tail is getting razor, and it’s at the fifth ply now. But the deck doesn’t feel soggy and still plenty snappy.
Skating indy, and I moved the 1.5mm down from standard baseplate to the forged, so that I might get the same pop timing… but it still feels like I really have to smash the hell out of the tail to have a solid popped Ollie (leveled out without foot coming off at all).
Deck is DLX 8.38/14.5 WB.
Wheels are 52 new, and at about 51 now.
Should I go back to standard hangar?
Try 53 or 54 wheels?
Just suck it up and concentrate on always popping hard?
Set up new deck?
The goal is just to have a crispy pop, with no dangly back foot. Yuck.
Yeah, shields on. They roll the same pre water bath. I’ll leave them alone.
In summary, if it is not quite skating as it should, for whatever reason, swap it out ASAP.
That is my thought on it anyway.
Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
Expand QuoteIm on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?[close]
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIm on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?[close]
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.[close]
I would agree with this as well.
Peter Hewitt (and others) ride 159s on their DLX 8.38 boards, but it just looked and felt weird when I set up a board to copy his. Not to say others will not find it awesome, but it is just a little too wide in the truck department for comfort for me.
On the other hand, a lot more people ride 159s on 8.5 boards and the usual BBS / Generator 8.5 shape is a good one, used by a lot of brands for their usual board, of which I have many and they vary in steepness and concave, but as Sedition said, the Black Label 8.5 boards tend to be on the steeper side, both side to side concave and angle of kicks, from the half a dozen I have, compared to all the other BBS 8.5 boards of the same shape and size, which are in general way more mellow.
The only other question for Kevve is have you tried the DLX 8.62 shape? It has a 14.75 wb and is a little more narrow overall than the 8.75 so if you were after something with a longer wheelbase, this is also a good one, but may be a little too big still, for what you want.
DLX does have another 8.5 x 32.5 with 14.75 wb, as well as the one off There Chandler Burton board with 14.69 wb, which might be worth checking out too.
A few options anyway.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIm on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?[close]
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.[close]
I would agree with this as well.
Peter Hewitt (and others) ride 159s on their DLX 8.38 boards, but it just looked and felt weird when I set up a board to copy his. Not to say others will not find it awesome, but it is just a little too wide in the truck department for comfort for me.
On the other hand, a lot more people ride 159s on 8.5 boards and the usual BBS / Generator 8.5 shape is a good one, used by a lot of brands for their usual board, of which I have many and they vary in steepness and concave, but as Sedition said, the Black Label 8.5 boards tend to be on the steeper side, both side to side concave and angle of kicks, from the half a dozen I have, compared to all the other BBS 8.5 boards of the same shape and size, which are in general way more mellow.
The only other question for Kevve is have you tried the DLX 8.62 shape? It has a 14.75 wb and is a little more narrow overall than the 8.75 so if you were after something with a longer wheelbase, this is also a good one, but may be a little too big still, for what you want.
DLX does have another 8.5 x 32.5 with 14.75 wb, as well as the one off There Chandler Burton board with 14.69 wb, which might be worth checking out too.
A few options anyway.[close]
(1) Peter Hewitt's set-up sounds...terrifying.
(2) If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
(3) I tried the 8.62/14.75 a little bit ago. I told a friend, "This is possibly the worst popsicle I've ever ridden." I absolutely hated it. The dimensions / ratios all seemed to be fighting against each other. But to each their own, if someone likes it, awesome. The 8.75 feels way, way, way more nimble/responsive than the 8.62, IMHO, and is a much better "balanced" deck.
If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
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If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?[close]
* As per Darkpools, Fakie nollie and others, this was my take.
Yeah there sure are lots in that same or very similar shape of the 8.5 x 32.3 given or take a bit in each measurement per different board company, 14.5 wb with 7 or so nose and 6.7 or so tail. Quite a lot even have the length listed as 32 even, but they all line up the same to me.
The most annoying thing is with actually finding a mellow board, given they have multiples per press and different presses, some steeper some more mellow, because even some of the same board that I have bought, I can sort them into the steeper ones I usually sell right away, the middle range I may or may not skate or the mellow boards, which I squirrel away like they are the last of those kind on earth.
Examples of this include older stock I have from Passport, Baker, Birdhouse, Deathwish, Element (before they changed) and a few others, especially Element though, which I always blank but they are just so comfrotable for me.
Boards from Loser Machine, Isle, Alltimers, Killing Floor, some Magenta, some Passport and some Generator blanks were all middle of the road.
Boards more recently from Black Label, Cash Only, some Magenta, some Passport and a few Generator boards for skate shops / blanks were all too steep for me to be comfortable on, but others I know have loved them and they held up well.
I don't want to just list the woodshop thread with the BBS and highlight all the boards there that I have that are that shape, or at least were, because some have changed now, others seem to have gone with shorter versions, etc.
There sure are a lot from that list though.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729103#msg3729103
Others I think are the same from looking online but I have not seen in person include 151, ATM, Frog, Sci Fi (Generator sticker on it) but also all the shop boards that use Generator for their wood, as well as those smaller brands that seem to slip under the radar.
Shop board post here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729105#msg3729105
If you can make it in somewhere to look at or stand on a lot of boards, all good and well, but if you can't for whatever reason, it is often way more of a roll of the dice to try to find the good boards that are most comfortable. I don't think anyone specifically has mellow boards from that list, or at least not any that will compare to DLX with a IV stamp.
@Sedition @Mbrimson88@Sedition @Mbrimson88
Well, that settles that. Thank you
When the Doctors speak, you’d be a damned fool not to listen 8)
@Sedition @Mbrimson88Expand Quote@Sedition @Mbrimson88
Well, that settles that. Thank you
When the Doctors speak, you’d be a damned fool not to listen 8)[close]
I done listened. (https://i.ibb.co/TBgXmqh/IMG-5117.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TBgXmqh)(https://i.ibb.co/w6LD4Kj/IMG-5114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w6LD4Kj)
How do I clean my grip if I don’t have grip gum?Hit it with an open palm and then use a broom.
Expand QuoteIm on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?[close]
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
I have heard the 8.38 (green) eagle measures around 8.5 so it might be a little more doable than the standard 8.38 if you like hot rodding.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIm on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?[close]
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.[close]
I have heard the 8.38 (green) eagle measures around 8.5 so it might be a little more doable than the standard 8.38 if you like hot rodding.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIm on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?[close]
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.[close][close]
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If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?[close]
* As per Darkpools, Fakie nollie and others, this was my take.
Yeah there sure are lots in that same or very similar shape of the 8.5 x 32.3 given or take a bit in each measurement per different board company, 14.5 wb with 7 or so nose and 6.7 or so tail. Quite a lot even have the length listed as 32 even, but they all line up the same to me.
The most annoying thing is with actually finding a mellow board, given they have multiples per press and different presses, some steeper some more mellow, because even some of the same board that I have bought, I can sort them into the steeper ones I usually sell right away, the middle range I may or may not skate or the mellow boards, which I squirrel away like they are the last of those kind on earth.
Examples of this include older stock I have from Passport, Baker, Birdhouse, Deathwish, Element (before they changed) and a few others, especially Element though, which I always blank but they are just so comfrotable for me.
Boards from Loser Machine, Isle, Alltimers, Killing Floor, some Magenta, some Passport and some Generator blanks were all middle of the road.
Boards more recently from Black Label, Cash Only, some Magenta, some Passport and a few Generator boards for skate shops / blanks were all too steep for me to be comfortable on, but others I know have loved them and they held up well.
I don't want to just list the woodshop thread with the BBS and highlight all the boards there that I have that are that shape, or at least were, because some have changed now, others seem to have gone with shorter versions, etc.
There sure are a lot from that list though.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729103#msg3729103
Others I think are the same from looking online but I have not seen in person include 151, ATM, Frog, Sci Fi (Generator sticker on it) but also all the shop boards that use Generator for their wood, as well as those smaller brands that seem to slip under the radar.
Shop board post here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729105#msg3729105
If you can make it in somewhere to look at or stand on a lot of boards, all good and well, but if you can't for whatever reason, it is often way more of a roll of the dice to try to find the good boards that are most comfortable. I don't think anyone specifically has mellow boards from that list, or at least not any that will compare to DLX with a IV stamp.
Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.chandler burton shapes from there skateboards
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
Aren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.
Expand QuoteAren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.[close]
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.[close]
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.[close]
The Omar 8.38 board was always a little different - got one here, longer than others, so definitely not a standard BBS / Generator shape.
I see some of the other bigger boards are also different, eg the 9 has a 14.5 wb, which I am yet to see, but keen to try, but not if they are still super steep / extra concave like the others I got recently in the 8.5 x 32.3 with 14.5 wb. To note, their older boards I bought a while back have a way more normal concave and feel to them, so I wonder if something changed, or they got whatever was on offer, or specifically requested steeper boards.
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/
Also noticed that a lot of the team boards all come in multiple sizes now as well, some pro boards too, eg the Omar board with the 8.38 and a couple of others:
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/product/omar-hassan-s-o-s-8-38-8-625-9-0
Listed as 8.38” x 32.5” 14.38” wheelbase, but I don't think it was quite that long.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.[close]
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.[close]
The Omar 8.38 board was always a little different - got one here, longer than others, so definitely not a standard BBS / Generator shape.
I see some of the other bigger boards are also different, eg the 9 has a 14.5 wb, which I am yet to see, but keen to try, but not if they are still super steep / extra concave like the others I got recently in the 8.5 x 32.3 with 14.5 wb. To note, their older boards I bought a while back have a way more normal concave and feel to them, so I wonder if something changed, or they got whatever was on offer, or specifically requested steeper boards.
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/
Also noticed that a lot of the team boards all come in multiple sizes now as well, some pro boards too, eg the Omar board with the 8.38 and a couple of others:
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/product/omar-hassan-s-o-s-8-38-8-625-9-0
Listed as 8.38” x 32.5” 14.38” wheelbase, but I don't think it was quite that long.[close]
Yeah, I've noticed the 8.38 Label is always listed as longer than their other (popsicle) decks. I also noticed they have some 8.75" listed as 14.5, and some as 14.75. I've wondered if that is accurate, or a typo and they are all 14.75. They otherwise seem to follow the pattern of 8.25/14.25, 8.38/14.38, 8.5/14.5, 8.62/14.62, 8.75/14.75.
...as no one really has them locally here.
Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Expand QuoteMadness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.[close]
Don’t do it. Aces turn. Thunders don’t. Plus, that Thunder baseplate thing.
Ventures are definitely not for me, got a set months ago and God I hated them.Expand QuoteMadness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.[close]
Switch to Ventures, stay awake, stop the madness.
Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...Just buy them. Buy the thunders on the discount and find out if you hate them or not.
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Just buy them. Buy the thunders on the discount and find out if you hate them or not.Expand QuoteMadness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.[close]
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.
Agree but no way in hell I'm giving away crap. With that being said I already ordered and worst case scenario I can sell them to a homie for a good price.Expand QuoteJust buy them. Buy the thunders on the discount and find out if you hate them or not.Expand QuoteMadness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.[close]
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.[close]
^ He does make good points.
Agree but no way in hell I'm giving away crap. With that being said I already ordered and worst case scenario I can sell them to a homie for a good price.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust buy them. Buy the thunders on the discount and find out if you hate them or not.Expand QuoteMadness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.[close]
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.[close]
^ He does make good points.[close]
i was riding indys till 2020 then switched to thunders in January of 2021, (which i think are my fav) but then switched to Ace's beginning of 22' then went to Venture in February of this year. Im the type of person that sets up something new, instantly hates it, orders some new shit but then get used to whatever i disliked then stick with it for awhile.
I went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.
happy medium.
Expand QuoteMadness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.[close]
Don’t do it. Aces turn. Thunders don’t. Plus, that Thunder baseplate thing.
Expand QuoteI went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.[close]
I've always thought Forged Indys were the perfect "middle ground" truck. Not too high. Not too low. Longer WB than Ace, not as long as Venture (same with turn). Middle ground pinch. Middle ground weight. Those are the happy medium for me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.[close]
I've always thought Forged Indys were the perfect "middle ground" truck. Not too high. Not too low. Longer WB than Ace, not as long as Venture (same with turn). Middle ground pinch. Middle ground weight. Those are the happy medium for me.[close]
I've always hated Forged Indys. They have more wheelbite than normal, don't equate to as much pop for me, and the sometimes feel too light and squirrely. I wheelbite less on Thunders, which are lower and some people think have more bite. I want to like the concept of Forged Indys but every time I have ridden them they just feel off. I actually think AF1 are what I want forged Indys to be except that I have to 100% run harder bushings in them.
I want to like both so badly. The 8.25 comes in the best graphics and every shop everywhere has several in stock at all times.
* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.[close]
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.[close]
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)[close]
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.[close]
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)[close]
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread[close]
Everyone bounces between "this is my perfect setup and I will never change anything ever again" to "maybe I need another mm of height with credit card risers and maybe go Indy conical bottom with Bones top bushing".
There is no cure.
That's the absolute truth, maybe the only cure is to delete Slap from your life.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.[close]
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)[close]
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread[close]
Everyone bounces between "this is my perfect setup and I will never change anything ever again" to "maybe I need another mm of height with credit card risers and maybe go Indy conical bottom with Bones top bushing".
There is no cure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-p8YpR7rJc
This is where I'm afraid my current truck madness with Venture will end up to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-p8YpR7rJc
This is where I'm afraid my current truck madness with Venture will end up to...
Can someone smarter than me please tell me as soon as I switched from a Quasi PS Stix 8.25x14.25 to a DLX BBS 8.25x 14.38 I’ve lost any kind of stable pop. I’ve tried this deck with a set of Aces, Indy’s, and even an old pair of Thunder hollows and everything just feels off.. If it’s wheelbase, I’d be kind of shocked because I like a 14.25 to 14.38 but of course I could be wrong.. Kicks? Steepness? That shovel shape ??
I hate the DLX 8.25 cuz it has no fingers of flat as Ben D calls it. Kicks turn up after the bolts and a short tail.
Warning, long rant ahead. It’s been nearly two years since I messed up my ankle, and ever since, my skating confidence just hasn't been the same. I've also had a few other nagging injuries, and during that time, I've been constantly tweaking my setups. I rode that 917 slick far longer than I should have, totally in love with my backside flips on it with Ventures and a loose bushing kit. After a break from skating this winter, It was bad, so I switched the bushings back to stock, which helped, and then it was finally time to retire that deck.
I picked up a Flip Tom Penny deck for $40 and set it up with Stage 4 Indies, and damn, it felt good—for like a day. My FS flips were butter on it, but that was about it. That setup came with 54mm full conicals, which were the wrong size because the shop messed up my order.
Lately, my skating has only gotten worse, so I went back to my old FA setup on some old Indies, and just like that, I started getting all my flat ground tricks back. I hadn’t landed a heelflip in over a year! I just need to stick with FA/Hockey with Indies and stop fucking around.
But just in case I need to change my whole identity to keep skating, I do have a 9.5 egg on the way. ;D
Expand QuoteI hate the DLX 8.25 cuz it has no fingers of flat as Ben D calls it. Kicks turn up after the bolts and a short tail.[close]
Uhm….what?
I just started skating a Hockey 8.25 and I'm really enjoying it so far. Thought it would be too square but I actually really dig the shape a lot. Seems like recently I've gravitated towards really full shapes. Are you skating Indy standards or forged on yours? I keep going back and forth trying to decide what I like better. Truck madness is the absolute worst :P
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI hate the DLX 8.25 cuz it has no fingers of flat as Ben D calls it. Kicks turn up after the bolts and a short tail.[close]
Uhm….what?[close]
Pretty simple since I just had one of these decks and couldn't figure out why I hated this shape so I set it on top of decks I like and lined up the bolt holes. The 8.25 shape, even compared to 2 other DLX shapes I have at home in the bin, kicks up sooner after the bolts on the nose. Ben calls this "fingers of flat" cuz he measures with his fingers. You can visually see it rise up sooner. One of my hobbies is furniture building so I used a contour gauge to compare as well and it paints the same picture. This is a III stamped Real 8.25. Same case for the tail although it is not as egregious.
This is part of what Ben was talking about with the Easy Rider shapes. The kick angles themselves are the same, but the flat before is greater.
The person I was responding to is on a Quasi. I saw one in the shop last week and it has a decent amount of flat after the bolts. I was specifically looking for this with decks since Ben's video came out and noticed quite a few PS shapes and DSM shapes have this. Interestingly enough Ben was on a lot of PS decks and made a video about the large amount of flat on DSM decks. So, the person asking why they don't like the DLX might not like it for the same reason I don't- the lack of flat after the bolts.
Can someone smarter than me please tell me as soon as I switched from a Quasi PS Stix 8.25x14.25 to a DLX BBS 8.25x 14.38 I’ve lost any kind of stable pop. I’ve tried this deck with a set of Aces, Indy’s, and even an old pair of Thunder hollows and everything just feels off.. If it’s wheelbase, I’d be kind of shocked because I like a 14.25 to 14.38 but of course I could be wrong.. Kicks? Steepness? That shovel shape ??
Thank you for breaking this down for me. I put three shapes next to each other (Quasi proto 8.25, a Hardbody 8.25 both PS and the DLX BBS) and definitely noticed the difference between the two wolf shops.. even with the Hardbody being a traditional popsicle it had more in common with the Quasi even with the shove nose and taper. I feel like kind of a moron for pretty much wasting money on a deck I had to impromptu buy last minute but whatever at least I know now.Expand QuoteCan someone smarter than me please tell me as soon as I switched from a Quasi PS Stix 8.25x14.25 to a DLX BBS 8.25x 14.38 I’ve lost any kind of stable pop. I’ve tried this deck with a set of Aces, Indy’s, and even an old pair of Thunder hollows and everything just feels off.. If it’s wheelbase, I’d be kind of shocked because I like a 14.25 to 14.38 but of course I could be wrong.. Kicks? Steepness? That shovel shape ??[close]Expand Quote[close]Expand Quote[close]
The different woodshops with different concave and board feel have the most to play in things here.
PS Stix is a flat face on the kicks, BBS a spoon concave on the kicks, first before anything else, then there is the angle of kicks, then as said fingers of flat - the distance from bolts to where the kick starts to come up, so any of those things can make two of what could be very similar boards in dimensions feel totally different when someone skates them.
* Note: fingers of flat are harder to gauge on BBS because the spoon shaped kick might seem to start earlier on the board but the kicks are then longer and more angled than some other boards that have flat and then a defined start to the kick and straight up from there.
As for Hockey, that is also BBS and usually very steep, or steeper than most, so that might have made the issue even worse, if you were more used to a lesser angle on the PS Stix kicks, or tail mainly as they often do have.
Measuring the angle could give you some answers, eg PS Stix could be 21 or 22, the BBS board could be 23 which might seem like a very small difference, but it makes everything go weird for me when I have even one degree difference between boards.
If you still had the old board, put it on top of the new one that is set up and see what difference, if any, there is in the tail area, as that would be where things are going funny.
Some people might take a few sessions to adapt to a new board, others less, some longer, or not at all, but yes it can definitely be a thing that will mean you have a good skate, or a very unhappy time on said board.
That's all I got for now on it, but from checking and standing on PS Stix and BBS boards I have, there is a significant difference in general.
It's alright. We all buy things on a whim and end up regretting it. I'll bet you will get used to it and might even end up liking it. Or you'll hate it and never buy dlx or bbs again lolThank you for breaking this down for me. I put three shapes next to each other (Quasi proto 8.25, a Hardbody 8.25 both PS and the DLX BBS) and definitely noticed the difference between the two wolf shops.. even with the Hardbody being a traditional popsicle it had more in common with the Quasi even with the shove nose and taper. I feel like kind of a moron for pretty much wasting money on a deck I had to impromptu buy last minute but whatever at least I know now.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan someone smarter than me please tell me as soon as I switched from a Quasi PS Stix 8.25x14.25 to a DLX BBS 8.25x 14.38 I’ve lost any kind of stable pop. I’ve tried this deck with a set of Aces, Indy’s, and even an old pair of Thunder hollows and everything just feels off.. If it’s wheelbase, I’d be kind of shocked because I like a 14.25 to 14.38 but of course I could be wrong.. Kicks? Steepness? That shovel shape ??[close]Expand Quote[close]Expand Quote[close]
The different woodshops with different concave and board feel have the most to play in things here.
PS Stix is a flat face on the kicks, BBS a spoon concave on the kicks, first before anything else, then there is the angle of kicks, then as said fingers of flat - the distance from bolts to where the kick starts to come up, so any of those things can make two of what could be very similar boards in dimensions feel totally different when someone skates them.
* Note: fingers of flat are harder to gauge on BBS because the spoon shaped kick might seem to start earlier on the board but the kicks are then longer and more angled than some other boards that have flat and then a defined start to the kick and straight up from there.
As for Hockey, that is also BBS and usually very steep, or steeper than most, so that might have made the issue even worse, if you were more used to a lesser angle on the PS Stix kicks, or tail mainly as they often do have.
Measuring the angle could give you some answers, eg PS Stix could be 21 or 22, the BBS board could be 23 which might seem like a very small difference, but it makes everything go weird for me when I have even one degree difference between boards.
If you still had the old board, put it on top of the new one that is set up and see what difference, if any, there is in the tail area, as that would be where things are going funny.
Some people might take a few sessions to adapt to a new board, others less, some longer, or not at all, but yes it can definitely be a thing that will mean you have a good skate, or a very unhappy time on said board.
That's all I got for now on it, but from checking and standing on PS Stix and BBS boards I have, there is a significant difference in general.[close]
Thank you for breaking this down for me. I put three shapes next to each other (Quasi proto 8.25, a Hardbody 8.25 both PS and the DLX BBS) and definitely noticed the difference between the two wolf shops.. even with the Hardbody being a traditional popsicle it had more in common with the Quasi even with the shove nose and taper. I feel like kind of a moron for pretty much wasting money on a deck I had to impromptu buy last minute but whatever at least I know now.
It's alright. We all buy things on a whim and end up regretting it. I'll bet you will get used to it and might even end up liking it. Or you'll hate it and never buy dlx or bbs again lol
Question for the fellow gear madness fools on here. How do I pop faster?
Obviously nothing beats proper technique, but how do I increase the pop speed? I often am jumping before my board is popped. I guess ghost pop? After some pretty serious injuries the strength just isn't there anymore. From my understanding, the only way to decrease the time it takes for your tail to hit the ground are smaller wheels, lower trucks, longer tail, shorter wheelbase? Am i missing anything
Expand QuoteQuestion for the fellow gear madness fools on here. How do I pop faster?
Obviously nothing beats proper technique, but how do I increase the pop speed? I often am jumping before my board is popped. I guess ghost pop? After some pretty serious injuries the strength just isn't there anymore. From my understanding, the only way to decrease the time it takes for your tail to hit the ground are smaller wheels, lower trucks, longer tail, shorter wheelbase? Am i missing anything[close]
I'm facing the same problem and have been tinkering with gear, giving little success. Are you stomping hard of on you board to get it airborne? I've been trying to correct that by conditioning myself to pop lighter and snappier, instead of dragging up more forward. Just getting smaller ollies that are low and levelled to correct my technique.
SkateIQ on Insta had a good post / reel recently, demonstrating that you don't have to pop hard to get height. Light and snappy works better for control and height.
Pop faster in the gear madness thread? You guys think technique is the answer?
Thunders…..mellow board….small wheels? In that order….
Pop faster in the gear madness thread? You guys think technique is the answer?
Thunders…..mellow board….small wheels? In that order….
having truck midlife crisis
basically ive skated only ventures since i was a kid. when i was younger it was the sc ventures and as an adult the dlx ones feel familiar.
but im aging, and the older i get the more appealing bowl skating looks. ive done so little transition skating, mostly just mini pipe and small quarters. part of the reason I haven’t switched off ventures is because i dont wanna waste precious time relearning timing i already know. But now that im fucking around in the bowl, i cant help but notice im the only one AWAKE.
so thats why i need support. relearning flip tricks on a new truck sounds awful, if i learn bowl shit on the ventures will it be horrible to transition to a more carvy truck in future?
having truck midlife crisis
basically ive skated only ventures since i was a kid. when i was younger it was the sc ventures and as an adult the dlx ones feel familiar.
but im aging, and the older i get the more appealing bowl skating looks. ive done so little transition skating, mostly just mini pipe and small quarters. part of the reason I haven’t switched off ventures is because i dont wanna waste precious time relearning timing i already know. But now that im fucking around in the bowl, i cant help but notice im the only one AWAKE.
so thats why i need support. relearning flip tricks on a new truck sounds awful, if i learn bowl shit on the ventures will it be horrible to transition to a more carvy truck in future?
ventures might not be best for the bowl, try the loose trucks kit (i can’t skate with em, too loose).
i can’t skate bowl for anything, and there are a few locals that have the super carvy vibes. but they are riding rattle loose indy’s or ace, often with rails, fuckin && boards. no thank you.
Stick with Ventures my man. It'll be horrible transitioning to any other truck anyway, don't bother if you don't have to. You can do anything with Ventures.
My ollie goes down the toilet everytime I take out my "bowl setup" (a bit wider board + Indys) and I hate that feeling. I want to be able to skate both street and tranny with the same setup. If it's a bigger bowl and bowl only sesh, then I'll fool around with Indys, but that's kinda rare.
There is no harm is setting up a wide bowl board, wider carvy trucks (that are know to be the choice of bowl rippers), longer wheel base and bigger wheels to better skate that terrain.
I'd go for another setup.Expand QuoteThere is no harm is setting up a wide bowl board, wider carvy trucks (that are know to be the choice of bowl rippers), longer wheel base and bigger wheels to better skate that terrain.[close]
This is true. But this is the road to multiple setups, which is ok too. But if a lifetime Venture rider wants to rip both street and trannies with one setup, it's gonna be hell trying to do everything with any other truck.
The two setups solution:
1. Stay AWAKE on the streets, ledges, curbs, flatground.
2. Go to sleep with Indys or Aces in bowls and trannies.
OR
Fuck that madness shit, stay AWAKE all around, and proceed to rip trannies on Ventures, which is entirely possible (but not as easy).
I'd go for another setup.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is no harm is setting up a wide bowl board, wider carvy trucks (that are know to be the choice of bowl rippers), longer wheel base and bigger wheels to better skate that terrain.[close]
This is true. But this is the road to multiple setups, which is ok too. But if a lifetime Venture rider wants to rip both street and trannies with one setup, it's gonna be hell trying to do everything with any other truck.
The two setups solution:
1. Stay AWAKE on the streets, ledges, curbs, flatground.
2. Go to sleep with Indys or Aces in bowls and trannies.
OR
Fuck that madness shit, stay AWAKE all around, and proceed to rip trannies on Ventures, which is entirely possible (but not as easy).[close]
Random Madness from this week:
I have small DLX 8.25 stock pile. Was time for a new deck. I prefer IV stamped, but can do III, too. Set-up a new one, which was a III. Once set-up, it felt like a "I" stamp. Hated it. Did an @Mbrimson88 "parking-job" for 15 min on each kick. At first I was like, "Oh no! too flat!" But then it bent back a bit, and felt like a perfect "IV." Now I have the happy.
But...I'm being indecisive about 144s/149s on the 8.25 right now. Thought I buried that one a long time ago. Guess not.
Expand QuoteRandom Madness from this week:
I have small DLX 8.25 stock pile. Was time for a new deck. I prefer IV stamped, but can do III, too. Set-up a new one, which was a III. Once set-up, it felt like a "I" stamp. Hated it. Did an @Mbrimson88 "parking-job" for 15 min on each kick. At first I was like, "Oh no! too flat!" But then it bent back a bit, and felt like a perfect "IV." Now I have the happy.
But...I'm being indecisive about 144s/149s on the 8.25 right now. Thought I buried that one a long time ago. Guess not.[close]
Yeah it is a fine line sometimes, but I always leave the board for a few days after parking on it, just to let it come back to where it will stay.
Are you into multiple washers on the inside of each wheel or depending on where the wheels sit, sometimes more or less?
I know a few people who have put three on the inside of 144s and then none or one thin one on 149s on those boards, just to have a closer feeling, but in general as you used to do 144s, that is how I think a lot of people run them now, compared to back in the day before 144s came out, 139s sat too far in, 149s with minimal washers or thinner wheels sat fairly well on the DLX 8.25 decks.
ran out of 8.25 and only had 8.38 boards left but I skate ACE 44.
Was scared I was gonna get some madness thinking my trucks were too small and hate it but honestly, I can't tell the difference. If anything I like it more
Madness avoided for today
^ The last time I went through the 149/144 madness (year or so ago), I ended up with 144s and a few inside washers. A bit after that, I was just suddenly like, "This is utterly insane. A mm is not going to make any real difference*." And I went to standard 1 inside, 1 outside. Recently, I had been riding that 8.75/14.5 Label for a bit, with 159s. And I liked how stable it felt. So, i decided to try 149s on the 8.25 to see if that just might make things "feel better" (under no illusion it's really going to make me skate better/worse in any substantive, meaningful way). It oddly gave me a bit more mental confidence with pivot to fakies, because it felt like more of the truck already "inside" the transition (I do the just lock-the-heel-wheel type of pivot to fakies). The turn on 149s feels real nice, too. But I don't like the axle nut sticking out. Put on 144s back on after a bit, and board just felt a little less stable, with less of a good feeling turn, but also more nimble. Maybe I should just abandon "either/or" (hey Kierkegaard) concepts and just ride whatever the mood dictates, when it dictates, as to trying to find a singular answer.
*Yet, don't you dare ask me to ride a wheel that is just 1mm off from my preferred size! The irony!
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^ The last time I went through the 149/144 madness (year or so ago), I ended up with 144s and a few inside washers. A bit after that, I was just suddenly like, "This is utterly insane. A mm is not going to make any real difference*." And I went to standard 1 inside, 1 outside. Recently, I had been riding that 8.75/14.5 Label for a bit, with 159s. And I liked how stable it felt. So, i decided to try 149s on the 8.25 to see if that just might make things "feel better" (under no illusion it's really going to make me skate better/worse in any substantive, meaningful way). It oddly gave me a bit more mental confidence with pivot to fakies, because it felt like more of the truck already "inside" the transition (I do the just lock-the-heel-wheel type of pivot to fakies). The turn on 149s feels real nice, too. But I don't like the axle nut sticking out. Put on 144s back on after a bit, and board just felt a little less stable, with less of a good feeling turn, but also more nimble. Maybe I should just abandon "either/or" (hey Kierkegaard) concepts and just ride whatever the mood dictates, when it dictates, as to trying to find a singular answer.
*Yet, don't you dare ask me to ride a wheel that is just 1mm off from my preferred size! The irony![close]
Oh yeah, that is very familiar - used to ride 144s but now they feel too tippy on any board and the smallest I will go is 149s.
A couple of additions to the madness for you - just the one washer on the inside of 149s and no washer on the outside to see if the nuts sit in far enough. Try that for a bit, not looking at the remaining axle if you can help it, but if that works, then even grind off the end couple of threads of the axles to bring everything in a bit more, so they will end up sort of like 146 hangers, the way the old Stage 8 or so were, which fit a bit better. Just don't take too much off.
People have done it unintentionally and just smashed the ends of their axles in the past, so when I am reconditioning used parts, especially hangers, one washer is all that will fit and the truck actually works really well as an in between size.
Re pivot to fakie (and quite a few other tricks where the little extra truck width really helps) I do enjoy a touch more hanger and yes, that spot is the one, wheel just up over and not half a truck with it.
The only down side is some people say the truck is not nimble enough and the 149 sits too wide for some of their flat bar grind type tricks, but I enjoy letting other people with their own trucks have all the flat bar grinding attention and really only have board contact nowdays with flatbars anyway for my own happiness. Works better for me and less likely to end up broken off.
At least you always have some 144 hangers you can swap in if needed.
:)
Hope this is the right thread.
Will I get ~clowned~ / shamed for skating a nice pro deck as a relatively newish skater (2 years, learning basic grinds and flip tricks, not a park hero but not a slow skater)?
I only ask because I'm sure people will say something if I was skating super rare Dunks or some LV collab supreme board...
Like, I feel like if I'm skating a Supreme or FA deck (I live in NY so they're not hard to get) will make people cringe because I can probably re-sell? Is that still a thing?
If I find an old Limo or Frog deck that isn't for sale anymore, is that shit rare? What about a Violet board? I feel like the prices are standard so they're not ~collectable~ but I've never seen someone IRL skating a Violet board, probably because people want to hang them up or something?
Hope this is the right thread.
Will I get ~clowned~ / shamed for skating a nice pro deck as a relatively newish skater (2 years, learning basic grinds and flip tricks, not a park hero but not a slow skater)?
I only ask because I'm sure people will say something if I was skating super rare Dunks or some LV collab supreme board...
Like, I feel like if I'm skating a Supreme or FA deck (I live in NY so they're not hard to get) will make people cringe because I can probably re-sell? Is that still a thing?
If I find an old Limo or Frog deck that isn't for sale anymore, is that shit rare? What about a Violet board? I feel like the prices are standard so they're not ~collectable~ but I've never seen someone IRL skating a Violet board, probably because people want to hang them up or something?
I wouldn't stress it for a second, the subset of people who collect boards within skateboarding is super small, and even they likely wouldn't trip out unless they saw you on the Jake Johnson Alien debut board or something, and even then they might be stoked.
All the brands you named are readily commercially available as you noted, so any perceived scarcity or exclusivity is pure marketing. Even if there's a board that in the future will become collectible, nobody will know about it for years until 99% of that model has been skated and left for dead.
All that to say, if there's a graphic or brand you like, go for it.
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^ The last time I went through the 149/144 madness (year or so ago), I ended up with 144s and a few inside washers. A bit after that, I was just suddenly like, "This is utterly insane. A mm is not going to make any real difference*." And I went to standard 1 inside, 1 outside. Recently, I had been riding that 8.75/14.5 Label for a bit, with 159s. And I liked how stable it felt. So, i decided to try 149s on the 8.25 to see if that just might make things "feel better" (under no illusion it's really going to make me skate better/worse in any substantive, meaningful way). It oddly gave me a bit more mental confidence with pivot to fakies, because it felt like more of the truck already "inside" the transition (I do the just lock-the-heel-wheel type of pivot to fakies). The turn on 149s feels real nice, too. But I don't like the axle nut sticking out. Put on 144s back on after a bit, and board just felt a little less stable, with less of a good feeling turn, but also more nimble. Maybe I should just abandon "either/or" (hey Kierkegaard) concepts and just ride whatever the mood dictates, when it dictates, as to trying to find a singular answer.
*Yet, don't you dare ask me to ride a wheel that is just 1mm off from my preferred size! The irony![close]
Oh yeah, that is very familiar - used to ride 144s but now they feel too tippy on any board and the smallest I will go is 149s.
A couple of additions to the madness for you - just the one washer on the inside of 149s and no washer on the outside to see if the nuts sit in far enough. Try that for a bit, not looking at the remaining axle if you can help it, but if that works, then even grind off the end couple of threads of the axles to bring everything in a bit more, so they will end up sort of like 146 hangers, the way the old Stage 8 or so were, which fit a bit better. Just don't take too much off.
People have done it unintentionally and just smashed the ends of their axles in the past, so when I am reconditioning used parts, especially hangers, one washer is all that will fit and the truck actually works really well as an in between size.
Re pivot to fakie (and quite a few other tricks where the little extra truck width really helps) I do enjoy a touch more hanger and yes, that spot is the one, wheel just up over and not half a truck with it.
The only down side is some people say the truck is not nimble enough and the 149 sits too wide for some of their flat bar grind type tricks, but I enjoy letting other people with their own trucks have all the flat bar grinding attention and really only have board contact nowdays with flatbars anyway for my own happiness. Works better for me and less likely to end up broken off.
At least you always have some 144 hangers you can swap in if needed.
:)
I feel you on all points but I can look past seeing the bolts most of the time.
Yes, the 144/148 lack soul; any sub 149” truck feels this way. But the insta lock / lack of the lateral slop offsets this for me. I really feel the slop on say, backside slappies, or bs smiths…coupled with a spit classic and I find myself easily slipping out.
144/148 are why I tend to stick with slim to skinny wheels and bump the usable width with inside washers/none outside as well.
It really is the lack of soul that is the biggest detractor for narrower trucks, and that’s with any brand; but I really sense it on thunder/venture/royal style trucks for obvious reasons.
The soul is in you and your riding, not in the trucks. Gimme f*cking Tensors and I can soul-arch my way around bowl corners with my bootcut jeans flappin'.
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Ok, man, you go get soulful on a scooter…I’ll be dialing in my trucks in the corner.
Don't forget your butt plug for that.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe soul is in you and your riding, not in the trucks. Gimme f*cking Tensors and I can soul-arch my way around bowl corners with my bootcut jeans flappin'.[close]
Ok, man, you go get soulful on a scooter…I’ll be dialing in my trucks in the corner.[close]
Dude I don't know names of any scooter tricks ("twist and shout"? "wanker"?), but you're on, I just might set up a soulful scoot IG for the world to see. Now where can I get a scooter and wait, there's gotta be madness involved in that shit too...
The soul is in you and your riding, not in the trucks. Gimme f*cking Tensors and I can soul-arch my way around bowl corners with my bootcut jeans flappin'.
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This is true. But this is the road to multiple setups, which is ok too. But if a lifetime Venture rider wants to rip both street and trannies with one setup, it's gonna be hell trying to do everything with any other truck.
The two setups solution:
1. Stay AWAKE on the streets, ledges, curbs, flatground.
2. Go to sleep with Indys or Aces in bowls and trannies.
OR
Fuck that madness shit, stay AWAKE all around, and proceed to rip trannies on Ventures, which is entirely possible (but not as easy).[close]
haven’t been skating, went thru another what now feels like significant aging/changing time….i now feel older, and just crustier than ever. nothing is working when i go to skate. i spend the whole session on the very basics (think slow rolling kickflip), and then don’t make it to any other rungs.
of course this sparks the setup switcheroo, as tho that will change it all.
has anyone just switched to something, regardless of results, and buried the madness for a bit?
i’ve been trying to find an 8” setup that works, that seems like it would make the most sense for me (skated best in the 7.75 era, getting older and weaker big boards heavy).
i’ve cast a wide net, tried too much. the last flatground session (mercifully by myself in a deep corner of a parking lot that is only frequented by some thoughtful unhoused folks, occasional dog walker, oversized truck trailers), i showed up with 4 completes. an 8 with venture lows, an 8 with ace 33s and big wheels, 8.38 with 8 thunders, 8.5 with 149 thunders. skated the 8.5 the best, board is like 3 years old and dead as fuck.
i think that because it’s a wide plank it’s a little easier to land on. the 8.5 is also 32 with a 14.4 wb. kickflips work, and im trying to get back to 360 flips. the complete feels like it weighs more than two completes.
the above conversation about wider trucks having ‘more soul’, is sadly accurate. @Sedition had mentioned this before and it’s one of the few times i agree with them re: gear, wider setups ‘feel better’ (or something to that effect).
i traveled and went to a skate spot/park that would have been my dream 25 years ago, and realized some difficult truths about where my abilities are at today. it hurts.
my feet hurt. the 808s have been saving me, well except for the part about the toes being squished into the narrow toe. dunks seem to have dried up, i have some hi’s on the shelf that are more narrow than my lows were. maybe forums? those run tts?
i’ll try and keep my posting down, and in this thread. it really is where i belong, ha
Expand Quotehaven’t been skating, went thru another what now feels like significant aging/changing time….i now feel older, and just crustier than ever. nothing is working when i go to skate. i spend the whole session on the very basics (think slow rolling kickflip), and then don’t make it to any other rungs.
of course this sparks the setup switcheroo, as tho that will change it all.
has anyone just switched to something, regardless of results, and buried the madness for a bit?
i’ve been trying to find an 8” setup that works, that seems like it would make the most sense for me (skated best in the 7.75 era, getting older and weaker big boards heavy).
i’ve cast a wide net, tried too much. the last flatground session (mercifully by myself in a deep corner of a parking lot that is only frequented by some thoughtful unhoused folks, occasional dog walker, oversized truck trailers), i showed up with 4 completes. an 8 with venture lows, an 8 with ace 33s and big wheels, 8.38 with 8 thunders, 8.5 with 149 thunders. skated the 8.5 the best, board is like 3 years old and dead as fuck.
i think that because it’s a wide plank it’s a little easier to land on. the 8.5 is also 32 with a 14.4 wb. kickflips work, and im trying to get back to 360 flips. the complete feels like it weighs more than two completes.
the above conversation about wider trucks having ‘more soul’, is sadly accurate. @Sedition had mentioned this before and it’s one of the few times i agree with them re: gear, wider setups ‘feel better’ (or something to that effect).
i traveled and went to a skate spot/park that would have been my dream 25 years ago, and realized some difficult truths about where my abilities are at today. it hurts.
my feet hurt. the 808s have been saving me, well except for the part about the toes being squished into the narrow toe. dunks seem to have dried up, i have some hi’s on the shelf that are more narrow than my lows were. maybe forums? those run tts?
i’ll try and keep my posting down, and in this thread. it really is where i belong, ha[close]
It's been said on here before You/We know what works*, you just think gear options will improve that kickflip, it won't (usually).
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehaven’t been skating, went thru another what now feels like significant aging/changing time….i now feel older, and just crustier than ever. nothing is working when i go to skate. i spend the whole session on the very basics (think slow rolling kickflip), and then don’t make it to any other rungs.
of course this sparks the setup switcheroo, as tho that will change it all.
has anyone just switched to something, regardless of results, and buried the madness for a bit?
i’ve been trying to find an 8” setup that works, that seems like it would make the most sense for me (skated best in the 7.75 era, getting older and weaker big boards heavy).
i’ve cast a wide net, tried too much. the last flatground session (mercifully by myself in a deep corner of a parking lot that is only frequented by some thoughtful unhoused folks, occasional dog walker, oversized truck trailers), i showed up with 4 completes. an 8 with venture lows, an 8 with ace 33s and big wheels, 8.38 with 8 thunders, 8.5 with 149 thunders. skated the 8.5 the best, board is like 3 years old and dead as fuck.
i think that because it’s a wide plank it’s a little easier to land on. the 8.5 is also 32 with a 14.4 wb. kickflips work, and im trying to get back to 360 flips. the complete feels like it weighs more than two completes.
the above conversation about wider trucks having ‘more soul’, is sadly accurate. @Sedition had mentioned this before and it’s one of the few times i agree with them re: gear, wider setups ‘feel better’ (or something to that effect).
i traveled and went to a skate spot/park that would have been my dream 25 years ago, and realized some difficult truths about where my abilities are at today. it hurts.
my feet hurt. the 808s have been saving me, well except for the part about the toes being squished into the narrow toe. dunks seem to have dried up, i have some hi’s on the shelf that are more narrow than my lows were. maybe forums? those run tts?
i’ll try and keep my posting down, and in this thread. it really is where i belong, ha[close]
It's been said on here before You/We know what works*, you just think gear options will improve that kickflip, it won't (usually).[close]
My madness has evolved over time. I am sure part of this is because, at this stage of the game, I have tried every reasonable set-up option/configuration, and given some stuff more tries than I'd like to admit (e.g. Thunders are not suddenly going to "work" for me if I just try them one more time, or with a different wheel/deck). Somewhere along the line my madness transformed from, "Will I skate better with/on "X" (no, not in any substantive way) to, "What just feels the best to me?" This is what I call "Late-Stage Madness" or "Post-madness Madness" because the only way to really get to this point it to figure out the stuff that you really don't skate as well on (e.g. the Thunder baseplates mess with my nose/tail slides, tiny wheelbases are too cramped for me, short tails suck for bluntslides, etc.). Ironically, or maybe not-so ironically, the stuff that just feels the best is also the stuff I tend to skate the best on, too. Where I am going with all this?
For many of us in this thread, "You/We know what works," but we get too lost in our own heads. I've certainly done that. And yeah, as @Xen said, bringing four set-ups is a set-up for disaster. So, my humble advice of one way to deal with that situation when it arises...leave the "logic" alone, and just go with the feel of what just resonates the most under your feet. That's prolly your "ideal" set-up for most situations.
...alone in my parking lot, skating 2 mph railing mobbed nollie flips into my shins..
the you/we know what works, is the troubling aspect: i currently don’t know.
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But you do, that's what @Sedition and I are saying. The better angle is what feels good? And have you put those together? It's a process of elimination.
It's possible you keep trying the same shit (expecting different results?). I've got a homie that consistently rides the same shit but bitches about certain tricks that he for sure would be better at if he adjusted some of his gear. *We're* not good enough to fakie tre a 10" fucking egg with 58"mm wheels and 215s...consistently. You know? He's got it worse..as an example, he's the type to keep everything the same (trucks, wheels, WB, board length) except he'll say he's attempting to 'downsize' by dropping from an 8.4 to an 8.3 and expecting the planets to align for flip tricks.
You say you like 149s (seemingly thunders). Check.
52 mm wheels? Check. Find a duro and shape and wheel feel and go.
Not BBS? plenty to choose from. Narrow (probably literally) those dims down.
WB? 14.5 too big? Drop down.
Length? Maybe 32" is too long (plus that long WB)...
8.5? OK, maybe it's the long WB that is messing with you, plenty of 8.5s that are shorter in WB (Blue eagle, SC stumps, etc..)
(Cliff notes of my longer post above)
For example, I like:
- 7/8" allen. Check.
- Pepper galaxy grip. Great grip and looks cool. Check.
- Swiss 6 or Bronson Ceramics/Raws. Check.
- Cripsy steep/stiff/snappy feeling wood = DSM/Crail (or PSStix for the first week :P) Check. Santa Cruz, Creature, Opera, Jacuzzi, Girl, Chocolate. Unpopular, but Disorder feel very close to R7 boards. I rode P2s exclusivly back when readily available.
- The way STFs slide...almost uncontrollably so (they aren't the slightly gummy slide like spits) sure they're a bit 'artificial' feeling but meh, and the V5 shape because I'm sloppy and it helps me lock into front krooks. Yes, the wheel is a crutch for two tricks but I don't care.
- Trucks is the true madness. I cannot help you there. I want Thunder pop and weight, venture stabilty, Indy/ACE/Slappy style turn and the semi-neutral WB affect and slappy grind clearance and grind feel/ability (I hope the new Thunder is ALL of that) and for the most part Royal IKP do all of that sans the sweet grinding of slappy so I always default back to them.
I'd wager you have tried all the combinations of the gear you have (much how Sedition and I have) and from what I can tell, nothing is working...because you don't like the feel of any of it. Big wheels on the 8" tells me this :P
Just a few hours ago, I took some of my own advice/gut feelings and fixed two my of issues I've been having with the royals.
Switched from 144 hollow to 149 hollow (shout out @BartHarleyJarvis)...instantly felt better/placeeeeboooooo. Whatever.
Switched back to the IKP to net more grind clearance (which also gets rid of the annoyingly long stock/regular kingpin and all its showing threads...but instead of ACE bushings, I went stock bottom and bones top (super low for more clearance) - thing of note, this combo bottoms out the threads in the shaft nut, can't tighten any more.
Switched to noisier bearings to help with the board sound
(https://i.ibb.co/tPXkLnn/IMG-6592.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tPXkLnn)
Anyway. With regards to trucks and "soul": I have an idea for all of y'all madnessing over the 144/149 dilemma.
Try Venture 5.6s.
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Anyway. With regards to trucks and "soul": I have an idea for all of y'all madnessing over the 144/149 dilemma.
Try Venture 5.6s.[close]
Oh, man. I haven’t laughed that hard in awhile. Much appreciated.
Seems to me this thread needs to be more about madness and less about gear, to really help some of you out of your current predicaments.
Gall Bless.
Ah, the pains of homo sapiens westernicus, suffering from madness solely created by the vast myriad of options in absolutely everything. But yes, yes, I want my setup to be perfect when surfing the kali yuga in the face of the apocalypse. No sense in doing sloppy ollies amids the mushroom clouds.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethe you/we know what works, is the troubling aspect: i currently don’t know.[close]
But you do, that's what @Sedition and I are saying. The better angle is what feels good? And have you put those together? It's a process of elimination.
It's possible you keep trying the same shit (expecting different results?). I've got a homie that consistently rides the same shit but bitches about certain tricks that he for sure would be better at if he adjusted some of his gear. *We're* not good enough to fakie tre a 10" fucking egg with 58"mm wheels and 215s...consistently. You know? He's got it worse..as an example, he's the type to keep everything the same (trucks, wheels, WB, board length) except he'll say he's attempting to 'downsize' by dropping from an 8.4 to an 8.3 and expecting the planets to align for flip tricks.
You say you like 149s (seemingly thunders). Check.
52 mm wheels? Check. Find a duro and shape and wheel feel and go.
Not BBS? plenty to choose from. Narrow (probably literally) those dims down.
WB? 14.5 too big? Drop down.
Length? Maybe 32" is too long (plus that long WB)...
8.5? OK, maybe it's the long WB that is messing with you, plenty of 8.5s that are shorter in WB (Blue eagle, SC stumps, etc..)
(Cliff notes of my longer post above)
For example, I like:
- 7/8" allen. Check.
- Pepper galaxy grip. Great grip and looks cool. Check.
- Swiss 6 or Bronson Ceramics/Raws. Check.
- Cripsy steep/stiff/snappy feeling wood = DSM/Crail (or PSStix for the first week :P) Check. Santa Cruz, Creature, Opera, Jacuzzi, Girl, Chocolate. Unpopular, but Disorder feel very close to R7 boards. I rode P2s exclusivly back when readily available.
- The way STFs slide...almost uncontrollably so (they aren't the slightly gummy slide like spits) sure they're a bit 'artificial' feeling but meh, and the V5 shape because I'm sloppy and it helps me lock into front krooks. Yes, the wheel is a crutch for two tricks but I don't care.
- Trucks is the true madness. I cannot help you there. I want Thunder pop and weight, venture stabilty, Indy/ACE/Slappy style turn and the semi-neutral WB affect and slappy grind clearance and grind feel/ability (I hope the new Thunder is ALL of that) and for the most part Royal IKP do all of that sans the sweet grinding of slappy so I always default back to them.
I'd wager you have tried all the combinations of the gear you have (much how Sedition and I have) and from what I can tell, nothing is working...because you don't like the feel of any of it. Big wheels on the 8" tells me this :P
Just a few hours ago, I took some of my own advice/gut feelings and fixed two my of issues I've been having with the royals.
Switched from 144 hollow to 149 hollow (shout out @BartHarleyJarvis)...instantly felt better/placeeeeboooooo. Whatever.
Switched back to the IKP to net more grind clearance (which also gets rid of the annoyingly long stock/regular kingpin and all its showing threads...but instead of ACE bushings, I went stock bottom and bones top (super low for more clearance) - thing of note, this combo bottoms out the threads in the shaft nut, can't tighten any more.
Switched to noisier bearings to help with the board sound
(https://i.ibb.co/tPXkLnn/IMG-6592.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tPXkLnn)[close]
i think what i’ve failed to articulate is that: none of my setups feel right, the closest is the G053, with thunder 149s and 52s. and having that setup ‘work’ (highly relative), would be like ya’ll stumbling onto a 7.75 that felt right.
that being said, i’m just gonna try and roll with it.
for me, the known:
miles grip (haven’t tried pepper)
52 mm wheels
7/8 bolts
it started off as enjoyable tinkering, something to keep
me stoked as i was oft hurt, or lacking time to skate, then it warped into the last 10+ years of some bizarre post midlife crisis/consumeristic fever dream.
I ground off a 16th from each side of some 8.5" aces to use with no inner washer on 8" decks a while back without a buncha axle sticking out, that was fun.
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This is what I like to hear.
Trying to reset my skating, so
Much flopping around on sizes and truck brands.
I set up 2 similar completes in hopes that some of my flip tricks will re emerge. Turning 50 has been tough,
My energy level feels so much lower and my arthritic knee has made it tough to do a lot of things.
I do so much rehab, watch what I eat,
Cold plunges and so much crazy shit hoping to counteract it but still suffering a bit.
Back to Indy’s for both setups,
8.38 and 8.5 one bbs and one is stix. Smaller wheels for both(54). Here’s to regaining some timing and pop!
Expand QuoteTrying to reset my skating, so
Much flopping around on sizes and truck brands.
I set up 2 similar completes in hopes that some of my flip tricks will re emerge. Turning 50 has been tough,
My energy level feels so much lower and my arthritic knee has made it tough to do a lot of things.
I do so much rehab, watch what I eat,
Cold plunges and so much crazy shit hoping to counteract it but still suffering a bit.
Back to Indy’s for both setups,
8.38 and 8.5 one bbs and one is stix. Smaller wheels for both(54). Here’s to regaining some timing and pop![close]
@144p Busted knee gang here. P/T, cremes, peptides (wolverine stack), working out (all the damn muscles around the knee...), you know what really works? Not skating (and peptides, fr). Fucking sucks. 93s...and maybe some 1010s...
Have you checked your arches? My feet are DOA levels of flat these days, I can feel the pronation so I rock high arch insoles (and wide shoes).
Neoprene sleeves are snakeoil, these things are fucking voodoo, I kid you not, lifesavers, they make skating sessions twice as long with significantly less recovery time and I can squat/press deadlift a decent weight with them. Seriously, please try them:
https://www.amazon.com/MUELLER-Medicine-Adjustable-Patella-Support/dp/B002WS49FA?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Bodyprox-Patella-Basketball-Tendonitis-Volleyball/dp/B07DLFP8Q5?ref_=ast_sto_dp
There are probably cheaper versions to be had, all the same china made with different logos.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to reset my skating, so
Much flopping around on sizes and truck brands.
I set up 2 similar completes in hopes that some of my flip tricks will re emerge. Turning 50 has been tough,
My energy level feels so much lower and my arthritic knee has made it tough to do a lot of things.
I do so much rehab, watch what I eat,
Cold plunges and so much crazy shit hoping to counteract it but still suffering a bit.
Back to Indy’s for both setups,
8.38 and 8.5 one bbs and one is stix. Smaller wheels for both(54). Here’s to regaining some timing and pop![close]
@144p Busted knee gang here. P/T, cremes, peptides (wolverine stack), working out (all the damn muscles around the knee...), you know what really works? Not skating (and peptides, fr). Fucking sucks. 93s...and maybe some 1010s...
Have you checked your arches? My feet are DOA levels of flat these days, I can feel the pronation so I rock high arch insoles (and wide shoes).
Neoprene sleeves are snakeoil, these things are fucking voodoo, I kid you not, lifesavers, they make skating sessions twice as long with significantly less recovery time and I can squat/press deadlift a decent weight with them. Seriously, please try them:
https://www.amazon.com/MUELLER-Medicine-Adjustable-Patella-Support/dp/B002WS49FA?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Bodyprox-Patella-Basketball-Tendonitis-Volleyball/dp/B07DLFP8Q5?ref_=ast_sto_dp
There are probably cheaper versions to be had, all the same china made with different logos.[close]
Thanks xen, 38 here just got done with ACL surgery 3/15 been pushing around on a polarizer, definitely need to look into peptides, I’ve been using a compression sleeve just for my swelling and stuff but this brace seems what I’m really looking for, something to put some pressure above and below my kneecap, do you offer like workshops or something?? Every post about trucks you make I’m thinking “this dude gets it”….youve even got me to consider getting some STFs, you’re like a gear messiah
Trying to reset my skating, so
Much flopping around on sizes and truck brands.
I set up 2 similar completes in hopes that some of my flip tricks will re emerge. Turning 50 has been tough,
My energy level feels so much lower and my arthritic knee has made it tough to do a lot of things.
I do so much rehab, watch what I eat,
Cold plunges and so much crazy shit hoping to counteract it but still suffering a bit.
Back to Indy’s for both setups,
8.38 and 8.5 one bbs and one is stix. Smaller wheels for both(54). Here’s to regaining some timing and pop!
Expand QuoteTrying to reset my skating, so
Much flopping around on sizes and truck brands.
I set up 2 similar completes in hopes that some of my flip tricks will re emerge. Turning 50 has been tough,
My energy level feels so much lower and my arthritic knee has made it tough to do a lot of things.
I do so much rehab, watch what I eat,
Cold plunges and so much crazy shit hoping to counteract it but still suffering a bit.
Back to Indy’s for both setups,
8.38 and 8.5 one bbs and one is stix. Smaller wheels for both(54). Here’s to regaining some timing and pop![close]
@144p Busted knee gang here. P/T, cremes, peptides (wolverine stack), working out (all the damn muscles around the knee...), you know what really works? Not skating (and peptides, fr). Fucking sucks. 93s...and maybe some 1010s...
Have you checked your arches? My feet are DOA levels of flat these days, I can feel the pronation so I rock high arch insoles (and wide shoes).
Neoprene sleeves are snakeoil, these things are fucking voodoo, I kid you not, lifesavers, they make skating sessions twice as long with significantly less recovery time and I can squat/press deadlift a decent weight with them. Seriously, please try them:
https://www.amazon.com/MUELLER-Medicine-Adjustable-Patella-Support/dp/B002WS49FA?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Bodyprox-Patella-Basketball-Tendonitis-Volleyball/dp/B07DLFP8Q5?ref_=ast_sto_dp
There are probably cheaper versions to be had, all the same china made with different logos.
1010 are the best shoe ever. The only downside is after skating them you can't go back to anything else.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to reset my skating, so
Much flopping around on sizes and truck brands.
I set up 2 similar completes in hopes that some of my flip tricks will re emerge. Turning 50 has been tough,
My energy level feels so much lower and my arthritic knee has made it tough to do a lot of things.
I do so much rehab, watch what I eat,
Cold plunges and so much crazy shit hoping to counteract it but still suffering a bit.
Back to Indy’s for both setups,
8.38 and 8.5 one bbs and one is stix. Smaller wheels for both(54). Here’s to regaining some timing and pop![close]
@144p Busted knee gang here. P/T, cremes, peptides (wolverine stack), working out (all the damn muscles around the knee...), you know what really works? Not skating (and peptides, fr). Fucking sucks. 93s...and maybe some 1010s...
Have you checked your arches? My feet are DOA levels of flat these days, I can feel the pronation so I rock high arch insoles (and wide shoes).
Neoprene sleeves are snakeoil, these things are fucking voodoo, I kid you not, lifesavers, they make skating sessions twice as long with significantly less recovery time and I can squat/press deadlift a decent weight with them. Seriously, please try them:
https://www.amazon.com/MUELLER-Medicine-Adjustable-Patella-Support/dp/B002WS49FA?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Bodyprox-Patella-Basketball-Tendonitis-Volleyball/dp/B07DLFP8Q5?ref_=ast_sto_dp
There are probably cheaper versions to be had, all the same china made with different logos.[close]
It sounds corny, but 1010s, i have been wearing the same pair for all purposes- work, walk, chill, and skate- for a few months now and its made hip/back/leg pain almost negligible. Im a longtime yoga instructor/practitioner, plenty of PT over the years, and theres just shit that, like almost 30 years of skating, getting hit by a car, and other lower body injuries, that require a good, solid shoe. 1010 is it for me
Today I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.
Expand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.[close]
I don't see any of that being 'wrong' unless you are sitting on a ton of gear. If you think lighter parts will help, maybe it will (or won't ;)).
Is the deck hard to come by? If yes, grab one, if no...don't. They you will want to set it up well before the old one is done =D
I'm in a similar boat with the twin VX deck I'm riding (they are getting a bit scarce but the next drop is about to hit, then I'll decide); 'least it's a twin so the wear is super even and it isn't going to sog out anytime soon. Worst part is my madness was right on the money with board feel (VX/DSM/Crail vs BBS/PS), stepped on a few of the homies boards and one I have setup, all BSS...and man what a difference. Not sure I can (or want to) go back...even regular DSM wood might not be up to par now.
Today I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.
Hello everyone,
Let me start this off by prefacing that I pretty much only skate 8.38 somewhat mellow boards with Thunders, hence the silly question.
I've got myself a pair of 149 stage XIs and a pair of 5.8 V-Lights to match with a mellow Toy board and a steeper Alltimers deck, both 8.5s but the Alltimers is a hair longer in both length and wb.
I'm currently trying to figure out the best possible combinations to end up having a nice tranny setup and a chunkier deck for whenever I feel like skating the taller hubbas and down rails at my local and am curious to know what you'd do!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.[close]
I don't see any of that being 'wrong' unless you are sitting on a ton of gear. If you think lighter parts will help, maybe it will (or won't ;)).
Is the deck hard to come by? If yes, grab one, if no...don't. They you will want to set it up well before the old one is done =D
I'm in a similar boat with the twin VX deck I'm riding (they are getting a bit scarce but the next drop is about to hit, then I'll decide); 'least it's a twin so the wear is super even and it isn't going to sog out anytime soon. Worst part is my madness was right on the money with board feel (VX/DSM/Crail vs BBS/PS), stepped on a few of the homies boards and one I have setup, all BSS...and man what a difference. Not sure I can (or want to) go back...even regular DSM wood might not be up to par now.[close]
vx is that good!?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.[close]
I don't see any of that being 'wrong' unless you are sitting on a ton of gear. If you think lighter parts will help, maybe it will (or won't ;)).
Is the deck hard to come by? If yes, grab one, if no...don't. They you will want to set it up well before the old one is done =D
I'm in a similar boat with the twin VX deck I'm riding (they are getting a bit scarce but the next drop is about to hit, then I'll decide); 'least it's a twin so the wear is super even and it isn't going to sog out anytime soon. Worst part is my madness was right on the money with board feel (VX/DSM/Crail vs BBS/PS), stepped on a few of the homies boards and one I have setup, all BSS...and man what a difference. Not sure I can (or want to) go back...even regular DSM wood might not be up to par now.[close]
vx is that good!?[close]
If you like stiff/crispy wood (which I have since the P2 days) then yes; it makes everything else feel waterlogged/dead.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.[close]
I don't see any of that being 'wrong' unless you are sitting on a ton of gear. If you think lighter parts will help, maybe it will (or won't ;)).
Is the deck hard to come by? If yes, grab one, if no...don't. They you will want to set it up well before the old one is done =D
I'm in a similar boat with the twin VX deck I'm riding (they are getting a bit scarce but the next drop is about to hit, then I'll decide); 'least it's a twin so the wear is super even and it isn't going to sog out anytime soon. Worst part is my madness was right on the money with board feel (VX/DSM/Crail vs BBS/PS), stepped on a few of the homies boards and one I have setup, all BSS...and man what a difference. Not sure I can (or want to) go back...even regular DSM wood might not be up to par now.[close]
vx is that good!?[close]
If you like stiff/crispy wood (which I have since the P2 days) then yes; it makes everything else feel waterlogged/dead.[close]
damn.
stiff boards for me, end up being the best, or the worst, and sometimes both of those distinctions pop up in the same session. maybe a better way for me to express it would be that something about the super stiff led to a difference in the pop timing? or something around there, and i’d either whiff in a way that was shocking, or crack the highest nollie of my life.
i’ve managed to stay away from the composite boards for the last 10+ years, in part because i’ve never really been drawn to the shapes on them.
what’s your fave vx shape?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.[close]
I don't see any of that being 'wrong' unless you are sitting on a ton of gear. If you think lighter parts will help, maybe it will (or won't ;)).
Is the deck hard to come by? If yes, grab one, if no...don't. They you will want to set it up well before the old one is done =D
I'm in a similar boat with the twin VX deck I'm riding (they are getting a bit scarce but the next drop is about to hit, then I'll decide); 'least it's a twin so the wear is super even and it isn't going to sog out anytime soon. Worst part is my madness was right on the money with board feel (VX/DSM/Crail vs BBS/PS), stepped on a few of the homies boards and one I have setup, all BSS...and man what a difference. Not sure I can (or want to) go back...even regular DSM wood might not be up to par now.[close]
vx is that good!?[close]
If you like stiff/crispy wood (which I have since the P2 days) then yes; it makes everything else feel waterlogged/dead.[close]
damn.
stiff boards for me, end up being the best, or the worst, and sometimes both of those distinctions pop up in the same session. maybe a better way for me to express it would be that something about the super stiff led to a difference in the pop timing? or something around there, and i’d either whiff in a way that was shocking, or crack the highest nollie of my life.
i’ve managed to stay away from the composite boards for the last 10+ years, in part because i’ve never really been drawn to the shapes on them.
what’s your fave vx shape?[close]
It's all about the pop with these for me - super loud crack on the snap - I wouldn't skate one if I was a manual skater tho (unless free) easy razor tail. Better shape and less flexy than Flights.
SC-365 (It's McCoy's shape, Asp skates it as well). It's nearly identical to the new 8.25" DW Foy (more mellow all around).
Medium Concave/Twin/rounded/full
8.25 x 31.83
14.22WB
6.71 kicks (on the steeper side but not crazy)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday I am confused. Been skating a lot, same setup for two weeks (imagine!) but to fix a [minor] problem with my slappys, I took them off.
Sooooo of course them being off the madness said "Hey, Pssst....Ventures..." so on a whim (and wanting a bit more stabilty) I set up cast 5.6 hollows/stock reds w/flat washers...and swapped out 52mm 103a v5 STFs for 53mm v1 x99s (because my feet hurt from my shoes)...aaaaaand no change.
It felt [nearly] the same (barring the wheel duro), trucks are close in height (53.9 vs 53.5) and the V1s are probably closer to 52 by now, so board height is probably a wash...but I didn't notice any major difference in turn other than more stabilty. Weird.
It's been a minute x99->101 spit/103a stfs ->93a spit-> 103a stfs and I am (re)impressed with x99s the bark is way better than I remember.[close]
i relate.
my current confusion/madness:
found a setup that i really like. still skating meh, but the board feels nice. my confused consumerism is telling me to buy a few more of the deck, and a lighter version of the trucks, slightly smaller set of the wheels.
i could just not. we’ll see.[close]
I don't see any of that being 'wrong' unless you are sitting on a ton of gear. If you think lighter parts will help, maybe it will (or won't ;)).
Is the deck hard to come by? If yes, grab one, if no...don't. They you will want to set it up well before the old one is done =D
I'm in a similar boat with the twin VX deck I'm riding (they are getting a bit scarce but the next drop is about to hit, then I'll decide); 'least it's a twin so the wear is super even and it isn't going to sog out anytime soon. Worst part is my madness was right on the money with board feel (VX/DSM/Crail vs BBS/PS), stepped on a few of the homies boards and one I have setup, all BSS...and man what a difference. Not sure I can (or want to) go back...even regular DSM wood might not be up to par now.[close]
vx is that good!?[close]
If you like stiff/crispy wood (which I have since the P2 days) then yes; it makes everything else feel waterlogged/dead.[close]
damn.
stiff boards for me, end up being the best, or the worst, and sometimes both of those distinctions pop up in the same session. maybe a better way for me to express it would be that something about the super stiff led to a difference in the pop timing? or something around there, and i’d either whiff in a way that was shocking, or crack the highest nollie of my life.
i’ve managed to stay away from the composite boards for the last 10+ years, in part because i’ve never really been drawn to the shapes on them.
what’s your fave vx shape?[close]
It's all about the pop with these for me - super loud crack on the snap - I wouldn't skate one if I was a manual skater tho (unless free) easy razor tail. Better shape and less flexy than Flights.
SC-365 (It's McCoy's shape, Asp skates it as well). It's nearly identical to the new 8.25" DW Foy (more mellow all around).
Medium Concave/Twin/rounded/full
8.25 x 31.83
14.22WB
6.71 kicks (on the steeper side but not crazy)[close]
specs look good
put hands on a foy twin at the shop, cannot remember the width, but the shape looked nice
For a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?
For a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?
For a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?
Expand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.[close]
Agreed all around. The good thing about mini ramps is, any set up will work. That was the point of mini ramps in a way. A vert and street meeting ground. Even in the BPSW days, mini ramps were a go. I miss mini ramps.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.[close]
Agreed all around. The good thing about mini ramps is, any set up will work. That was the point of mini ramps in a way. A vert and street meeting ground. Even in the BPSW days, mini ramps were a go. I miss mini ramps.[close]
hahahahha! @Sedition is coming way too reasonable. i feel like they are on the way of their madness, like for them it’s a few times a year itch, and they already know the outcome.
yeah….i cannot skate transition, haven’t really ever tried tbh. it kinda went from parking lots, to gnarly overhead pits. i just don’t have eye for it. vaguely on the goals list.
i have ALWAYS wanted a backyard mini tho. not even to go full trick mode, but i feel like an hour of axle stalls would be soothing.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.[close]
Agreed all around. The good thing about mini ramps is, any set up will work. That was the point of mini ramps in a way. A vert and street meeting ground. Even in the BPSW days, mini ramps were a go. I miss mini ramps.[close]
hahahahha! @Sedition is coming way too reasonable. i feel like they are on the way of their madness, like for them it’s a few times a year itch, and they already know the outcome.
yeah….i cannot skate transition, haven’t really ever tried tbh. it kinda went from parking lots, to gnarly overhead pits. i just don’t have eye for it. vaguely on the goals list.
i have ALWAYS wanted a backyard mini tho. not even to go full trick mode, but i feel like an hour of axle stalls would be soothing.[close]
Unrelated: I have a 4' tall, 20' wide, metal mini near me...and it's the best thing, ever.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.[close]
Agreed all around. The good thing about mini ramps is, any set up will work. That was the point of mini ramps in a way. A vert and street meeting ground. Even in the BPSW days, mini ramps were a go. I miss mini ramps.[close]
hahahahha! @Sedition is coming way too reasonable. i feel like they are on the way of their madness, like for them it’s a few times a year itch, and they already know the outcome.
yeah….i cannot skate transition, haven’t really ever tried tbh. it kinda went from parking lots, to gnarly overhead pits. i just don’t have eye for it. vaguely on the goals list.
i have ALWAYS wanted a backyard mini tho. not even to go full trick mode, but i feel like an hour of axle stalls would be soothing.[close]
Unrelated: I have a 4' tall, 20' wide, metal mini near me...and it's the best thing, ever.[close]
We need more mini ramps in this damn world.
Enough giant bowls and stair sets already.
*Shakes fist at sky*
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.[close]
Agreed all around. The good thing about mini ramps is, any set up will work. That was the point of mini ramps in a way. A vert and street meeting ground. Even in the BPSW days, mini ramps were a go. I miss mini ramps.[close]
hahahahha! @Sedition is coming way too reasonable. i feel like they are on the way of their madness, like for them it’s a few times a year itch, and they already know the outcome.
yeah….i cannot skate transition, haven’t really ever tried tbh. it kinda went from parking lots, to gnarly overhead pits. i just don’t have eye for it. vaguely on the goals list.
i have ALWAYS wanted a backyard mini tho. not even to go full trick mode, but i feel like an hour of axle stalls would be soothing.[close]
Unrelated: I have a 4' tall, 20' wide, metal mini near me...and it's the best thing, ever.
So the fall/winter I experimented with long wheelbases, lately I’ve been skating true fits (13.75). Honestly I could skate all of them totally fine, they all had great advantages and disadvantages. The true fit feels amazing (except I get a little scared landing flip tricks) but I think after a few months of experimentation I’m going back to 8.5/14.25wb (the shape I’ve been skating for three years).
The experiment was awesome and actually helped me learn some new tricks. That being said once I got into the true fit I started stressing about skating a special shape and decided to stay with a shape I can always get.
Posting this here so I have it in writing once the madness comes back.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor a purely mini ramp/vert setup, would heavier trucks be better cause they have more momentum?
My normal shit is
Ace hollows
Spitfire 99s
Six balls
Thinking for the fastest mini setup I should do
Regular aces
Spitfire 101s
Ceramics
Thoughts?[close]
Don't solve for problems that don't (yet) exist. Take your normal set-up to a mini ramp. Skate it. Skate it a lot. Then, and only then, start to think about what you may want to change.[close]
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.
In all honesty I'm guilty of solving hypothetical problems that I don't have yet. I definitely need a dedicated slappy setup for my once per quarter slappy session that lasts 15 minutes.[close]
Agreed all around. The good thing about mini ramps is, any set up will work. That was the point of mini ramps in a way. A vert and street meeting ground. Even in the BPSW days, mini ramps were a go. I miss mini ramps.[close]
hahahahha! @Sedition is coming way too reasonable. i feel like they are on the way of their madness, like for them it’s a few times a year itch, and they already know the outcome.
yeah….i cannot skate transition, haven’t really ever tried tbh. it kinda went from parking lots, to gnarly overhead pits. i just don’t have eye for it. vaguely on the goals list.
i have ALWAYS wanted a backyard mini tho. not even to go full trick mode, but i feel like an hour of axle stalls would be soothing.[close]
Unrelated: I have a 4' tall, 20' wide, metal mini near me...and it's the best thing, ever.[close]
That sounds amazing (metal be damned).
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.Probably the slappiest thing I've ever read.
Wide wheels or narrow wheels for crooked grinds?
Do I want the wide wheels for more pinch/wheelbite?
Or do I want the narrow wheels for more room on the truck?
Better for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.
X 2Expand QuoteWide wheels or narrow wheels for crooked grinds?
Do I want the wide wheels for more pinch/wheelbite?
Or do I want the narrow wheels for more room on the truck?[close]
IMHO, wide wheels only serve two real functions: (1) Traction, and (2) Smoother ride, if on crust.
If you are not concerned with either of those, normal to narrow size is the way to go.
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Re wheels and different sizes and shapes:
I think people have developed a sense of what they prefer and what works for them, which can easily be at odds with others, so some people will prefer Classic or rounded wheels on a lot of things, others prefer a sharper edge or lock in feeling, without any specific names of wheel brands or whatever esle, there are a lot out there, some really squared off, but I guess Spitfire shapes do often come to mind, eg Lock Ins, OG Classics, Conical shapes.
There is a guy I skate with who has 52 Classics on an 8.25 board and 60 mm Conical Full wheels on an 8.75 board and he can do the same things on each, just saying it depends more on the hanger width as to what worked better, eg shorter hanger and rounded wheels, wider hanger and big square wheels, so that is something that might be not what people want to hear, but it definitely is something to think about too.
People like Ben de Gros say smaller rounder wheels work best, but again he is on smaller trucks.
Those GX and other dudes riding those big fat whatever shape Conical Full 60 mm wheels seem to have no problem doing anything including grinds as mentioned above, so technique might prevail over specific shapes in that regard, even location having something to do with it as well, eg crusty street spots, compared to nice easy skateparks or your own flat bar or similar.
That's my take on it anyway, so I guess there is not a definitive right or wrong answer with wheels for this one, but my comparatively lazy slow skating feels a lot easier on rounded edge wheels, which is why I get swapped in Conical Full wheels and round the edges off some to make them feel way more comfortable for me, otherwise I would be on Classic (full) or Radial shapes more than anything else.
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Re wheels and different sizes and shapes:
I think people have developed a sense of what they prefer and what works for them, which can easily be at odds with others, so some people will prefer Classic or rounded wheels on a lot of things, others prefer a sharper edge or lock in feeling, without any specific names of wheel brands or whatever esle, there are a lot out there, some really squared off, but I guess Spitfire shapes do often come to mind, eg Lock Ins, OG Classics, Conical shapes.
There is a guy I skate with who has 52 Classics on an 8.25 board and 60 mm Conical Full wheels on an 8.75 board and he can do the same things on each, just saying it depends more on the hanger width as to what worked better, eg shorter hanger and rounded wheels, wider hanger and big square wheels, so that is something that might be not what people want to hear, but it definitely is something to think about too.
People like Ben de Gros say smaller rounder wheels work best, but again he is on smaller trucks.
Those GX and other dudes riding those big fat whatever shape Conical Full 60 mm wheels seem to have no problem doing anything including grinds as mentioned above, so technique might prevail over specific shapes in that regard, even location having something to do with it as well, eg crusty street spots, compared to nice easy skateparks or your own flat bar or similar.
That's my take on it anyway, so I guess there is not a definitive right or wrong answer with wheels for this one, but my comparatively lazy slow skating feels a lot easier on rounded edge wheels, which is why I get swapped in Conical Full wheels and round the edges off some to make them feel way more comfortable for me, otherwise I would be on Classic (full) or Radial shapes more than anything else.[close]
I’ve thought about this a lot as well, I like to add my 2 cents…having lived in the Bay for quite some time, I’m convinced these guys figured the bigger wheels with wider contact patches allow them to skate the extremely rough and uneven pavement and riding surfaces in the city. Then they just adapted how to make them work for tricks, because without those wheels, lots of those spots are borderline, if not completely un-skatable for smaller traditional street set-ups. I believe bigger wheels unlocked the spots, so to speak.
Maybe it’s totally off base, but when I was a bit younger and skated city street spots, that’s how I adapted, although I’m nowhere near “good” like GX.
Expand QuoteWide wheels or narrow wheels for crooked grinds?
Do I want the wide wheels for more pinch/wheelbite?
Or do I want the narrow wheels for more room on the truck?[close]
IMHO, wide wheels only serve two real functions: (1) Traction, and (2) Smoother ride, if on crust.
If you are not concerned with either of those, normal to narrow size is the way to go.
Expand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.
I personally prefer classics over a square edge wheel for pinched grinds on sharp ledges, and round rails (crooked grinds, 180 nosegrinds etc). Feels like more wheel is making contact with the ledge and I'm able to sit on the grind with a little more stability.
But if the ledge is really rough and rounded, or I'm skating a really wide pipe style flatbar, I feel like square edge wheels pinch and hold you in a bit better whereas classics have a tendency to slip out into noseslide/tailslide or whatever.
Don't think its as clear cut as locking in on a 5050 or something where the difference is much more straightforward
Expand QuoteI personally prefer classics over a square edge wheel for pinched grinds on sharp ledges, and round rails (crooked grinds, 180 nosegrinds etc). Feels like more wheel is making contact with the ledge and I'm able to sit on the grind with a little more stability.
But if the ledge is really rough and rounded, or I'm skating a really wide pipe style flatbar, I feel like square edge wheels pinch and hold you in a bit better whereas classics have a tendency to slip out into noseslide/tailslide or whatever.
Don't think its as clear cut as locking in on a 5050 or something where the difference is much more straightforward[close]
are wheels your only remaining….unsettled equipment choice? like are you good on deck trucks?
it’s interesting because i used to be: ‘wheels are wheels’, mostly.
and now im some really weird trip where i am trying to skate larger wheels, and so the board and trucks need to be larger as well blah blah blah
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close]
Would you also say that a tool with a rounded surface is better for mountain climbing than an edged tool?
current madness/shit i’m thinking about buying:
ace classic 55s
lavender ave’s
ti ventures
54 radial fulls
55 radials
buying more of the current deck i’ve got now (sort of anti madness).
So you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.
So you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close]
current madness/shit i’m thinking about buying:
ace classic 55s
lavender ave’s
ti ventures
54 radial fulls
55 radials
buying more of the current deck i’ve got now (sort of anti madness).
Expand QuoteSo you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close][close]
Smiths, feebles, etc, absolutely. 50/50s, no.
Can't get the idea of combining Venture Ti hangers with regular cast baseplates out of my head. I think I need to try that whenever I'll refresh my trucks. I've understood the cast baseplate is little bit shorter in terms of wheelbase, that combined to the 2mm added height tempts me. Also I think the grind feel/sound is different. Haven't had a cast bp in years, can't even remember how it feels. It just feels stupid to buy two sets of trucks for this kind of experiment...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close][close]
Smiths, feebles, etc, absolutely. 50/50s, no.[close]
If you cross pinch a 5050 on a round bar with classics you get a lil less squeal and drag than if you do the same on lock ins.
Lock ins feel way better if you're doing double heel pinch though
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close][close]
Smiths, feebles, etc, absolutely. 50/50s, no.[close]
If you cross pinch a 5050 on a round bar with classics you get a lil less squeal and drag than if you do the same on lock ins.
Lock ins feel way better if you're doing double heel pinch though[close]
Less drag for sure with classics, due to the shape. Also more prone to slip off the ledge or rail due to the shape. However you are more locked in with a straight edge wheel, regardless of which trick you’re doing. Jack Olson talks about modifying his setup this way to make that gnarly kickflip feeble in his after hours part.
Easy example: If you skate a pool coping, you’ll notice that with classics, they’re more prone to pull you up on the deck, the convex edge of the wheel will climb up the coping and release you more easily than a straight edge. Great for alleviating hangups, but not the better for locking in.
By the end of the year, I want to be riding updated new version of Thunder151s, reformulated55mm97a F4s,on a wheel-welled Huffer in some Hemp/ Synthetic Grasshoppers.
and then,
I am sure my life will be complete.
Currently I'm skating Radials (99 53mm) and they're the truth.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close][close]
Smiths, feebles, etc, absolutely. 50/50s, no.[close]
If you cross pinch a 5050 on a round bar with classics you get a lil less squeal and drag than if you do the same on lock ins.
Lock ins feel way better if you're doing double heel pinch though[close]
Less drag for sure with classics, due to the shape. Also more prone to slip off the ledge or rail due to the shape. However you are more locked in with a straight edge wheel, regardless of which trick you’re doing. Jack Olson talks about modifying his setup this way to make that gnarly kickflip feeble in his after hours part.
Easy example: If you skate a pool coping, you’ll notice that with classics, they’re more prone to pull you up on the deck, the convex edge of the wheel will climb up the coping and release you more easily than a straight edge. Great for alleviating hangups, but not the better for locking in.[close]
Yeah thats generally true. But for me personally there are tricks that I find lock in better, or are easier to sit in, on rounded wheels vs square edge wheels. Namely any pinched grinds on sharp ledges and also stuff like crooks, suskis n stuff on round rails for some reason.
Definitely preferred my 55 classics over 55 og classics, the last two wheels I've skated. On the og classics on a sharp ledge it felt like there was only a sharp edge of the sidewall making contact with the ledge whereas on classics there was a bit more surface area making contact on a pinch, felt a lil more comfortable
(https://i.imgur.com/nurg9Jd.png)
If you look at this pic (i just googled crooked grind pinch lol) I think it might make sense. If you had say a tablet wheel in this pinch, there would be a sharper edge and less wheel surface area sitting on top of the ledge... whereas with the classic there's some sidewall contact that makes it a little more comfortable to sit on (assuming the ledge is sharp enough)
This is also assuming that I'm riding wheels that aren't too small, if we're talking very worn wheels, 50mm 51mm etc, then yeah classics lock much worse. But once we're in the 53-55mm territory that I've been skating, I feel like I'm getting more benefits when it comes to locking in and sitting on grinds vs drawbacks when I run round wheels vs if I was on square wheels.
Unless I'm skating a really rounded worn down ledge in which case square wheels are muchhh better.
Radials for me probably perfect middle ground but never tried em
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo you would say a classic locks in better than lock-ins?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBetter for locking in on a crooked grind, especially if conical shaped vs classic.[close]
I would say the exact opposite. Same with Smith, Feeble, etc.[close][close]
Smiths, feebles, etc, absolutely. 50/50s, no.[close]
If you cross pinch a 5050 on a round bar with classics you get a lil less squeal and drag than if you do the same on lock ins.
Lock ins feel way better if you're doing double heel pinch though[close]
Less drag for sure with classics, due to the shape. Also more prone to slip off the ledge or rail due to the shape. However you are more locked in with a straight edge wheel, regardless of which trick you’re doing. Jack Olson talks about modifying his setup this way to make that gnarly kickflip feeble in his after hours part.
Easy example: If you skate a pool coping, you’ll notice that with classics, they’re more prone to pull you up on the deck, the convex edge of the wheel will climb up the coping and release you more easily than a straight edge. Great for alleviating hangups, but not the better for locking in.[close]
Yeah thats generally true. But for me personally there are tricks that I find lock in better, or are easier to sit in, on rounded wheels vs square edge wheels. Namely any pinched grinds on sharp ledges and also stuff like crooks, suskis n stuff on round rails for some reason.
Definitely preferred my 55 classics over 55 og classics, the last two wheels I've skated. On the og classics on a sharp ledge it felt like there was only a sharp edge of the sidewall making contact with the ledge whereas on classics there was a bit more surface area making contact on a pinch, felt a lil more comfortable
(https://i.imgur.com/nurg9Jd.png)
If you look at this pic (i just googled crooked grind pinch lol) I think it might make sense. If you had say a tablet wheel in this pinch, there would be a sharper edge and less wheel surface area sitting on top of the ledge... whereas with the classic there's some sidewall contact that makes it a little more comfortable to sit on (assuming the ledge is sharp enough)
This is also assuming that I'm riding wheels that aren't too small, if we're talking very worn wheels, 50mm 51mm etc, then yeah classics lock much worse. But once we're in the 53-55mm territory that I've been skating, I feel like I'm getting more benefits when it comes to locking in and sitting on grinds vs drawbacks when I run round wheels vs if I was on square wheels.
Unless I'm skating a really rounded worn down ledge in which case square wheels are muchhh better.
Radials for me probably perfect middle ground but never tried em
I can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff
Expand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while
Of course classics are the pick if you do slappies, no question there. Those are sick clips and we should all find reasons to post more, not to shit on anyone, but just to show the type of terrain we use our gear on. I skate mostly park, so that changes what gear I might prefer.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while[close]
fuck it’s probably rad to be good at skating
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while[close]
great clips all around but that Gino landing around 0:53... chef kiss
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while
About to skate my first twin tail… as soon as I recover from my broken ankle. I’ve got the 8.3 Ishod / Worrest shape.
I’ve got some time to think… Considering getting a fresh pair of trucks for the full experience. I’ve been enjoying the regular Thunder 148s on deluxe 8.25 and 8.5 with the 14.38 wheelbase. I tried some wider/lower 149 lights on the 8.5 and wasn’t feeling them at all - then when I switched down to the 148s it felt great and I really enjoyed the pinch I was getting on crooks with the hoverboard.
This got me thinking. Should I consider dropping down to an 8 inch truck for the twin? I don’t want to go lower than the thunder team, so thunder will have to be out if I do drop the width (because the 147 is lower than the 148). I’ve been keen to try Venture, everyone raves about them and Bobby does ride the 5.2.
I don’t seem to mind the longer truck/deck combined wheelbase as others do, but will the Venture wheelbase feel any longer compared to thunder?
So choice is. Stick on 148s, try venture 5.6 or potentially 5.2.
Please humour me with any thoughts.
About to skate my first twin tail… as soon as I recover from my broken ankle. I’ve got the 8.3 Ishod / Worrest shape.
I’ve got some time to think… Considering getting a fresh pair of trucks for the full experience. I’ve been enjoying the regular Thunder 148s on deluxe 8.25 and 8.5 with the 14.38 wheelbase. I tried some wider/lower 149 lights on the 8.5 and wasn’t feeling them at all - then when I switched down to the 148s it felt great and I really enjoyed the pinch I was getting on crooks with the hoverboard.
This got me thinking. Should I consider dropping down to an 8 inch truck for the twin? I don’t want to go lower than the thunder team, so thunder will have to be out if I do drop the width (because the 147 is lower than the 148). I’ve been keen to try Venture, everyone raves about them and Bobby does ride the 5.2.
I don’t seem to mind the longer truck/deck combined wheelbase as others do, but will the Venture wheelbase feel any longer compared to thunder?
So choice is. Stick on 148s, try venture 5.6 or potentially 5.2.
Please humour me with any thoughts.
About to skate my first twin tail… as soon as I recover from my broken ankle. I’ve got the 8.3 Ishod / Worrest shape.I don't see the logic of going down to an 8" truck, just stuck with 148
I’ve got some time to think… Considering getting a fresh pair of trucks for the full experience. I’ve been enjoying the regular Thunder 148s on deluxe 8.25 and 8.5 with the 14.38 wheelbase. I tried some wider/lower 149 lights on the 8.5 and wasn’t feeling them at all - then when I switched down to the 148s it felt great and I really enjoyed the pinch I was getting on crooks with the hoverboard.
This got me thinking. Should I consider dropping down to an 8 inch truck for the twin? I don’t want to go lower than the thunder team, so thunder will have to be out if I do drop the width (because the 147 is lower than the 148). I’ve been keen to try Venture, everyone raves about them and Bobby does ride the 5.2.
I don’t seem to mind the longer truck/deck combined wheelbase as others do, but will the Venture wheelbase feel any longer compared to thunder?
So choice is. Stick on 148s, try venture 5.6 or potentially 5.2.
Please humour me with any thoughts.
About to skate my first twin tail… as soon as I recover from my broken ankle...
Having a little bushing madness. I am currently running Thunder 149 Lights with the stock bushings. 8.5 deck, 54mm spitfire classics. I am a bigger dude, pushing 250 (dad life) wondering if I should go to harder bushings to improve stability. If so, recommendations? I see Tom Asta swears by ace bushings.
All super valid points but specially the last one.Expand QuoteAbout to skate my first twin tail… as soon as I recover from my broken ankle...[close]
Having been in that situation a few times, don't bother fixating on gear now. First, you will have to learn to walk normally again. I mean that literally. Then you will have to re-learn to skate. How the injury heals-up (and what condition your ankle is in afterward) may dramatically change the the gear you want/are able to ride...and you'll be faced with a whole new set of madness options. You can't take Jesus down from a cross he isn't nailed to. So, worry about what to skate when your actually skating again.
Also, fuck 8" trucks.
Expand QuoteHaving a little bushing madness. I am currently running Thunder 149 Lights with the stock bushings. 8.5 deck, 54mm spitfire classics. I am a bigger dude, pushing 250 (dad life) wondering if I should go to harder bushings to improve stability. If so, recommendations? I see Tom Asta swears by ace bushings.[close]
Harder bushings will certainly make things more stable. Ace bushings are not standard size, and not sure how they would fit in Thunders. Thunder makes assorted after market bushing, and so does Indy...but Indy offers more shapes and hardness options.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a little bushing madness. I am currently running Thunder 149 Lights with the stock bushings. 8.5 deck, 54mm spitfire classics. I am a bigger dude, pushing 250 (dad life) wondering if I should go to harder bushings to improve stability. If so, recommendations? I see Tom Asta swears by ace bushings.[close]
Harder bushings will certainly make things more stable. Ace bushings are not standard size, and not sure how they would fit in Thunders. Thunder makes assorted after market bushing, and so does Indy...but Indy offers more shapes and hardness options.[close]
Stick to the aftermarket Thunder bushings and medium hard for a start. Don't go down the bushing shape / brand / height madness rabbit hole.
Expand QuoteHaving a little bushing madness. I am currently running Thunder 149 Lights with the stock bushings. 8.5 deck, 54mm spitfire classics. I am a bigger dude, pushing 250 (dad life) wondering if I should go to harder bushings to improve stability. If so, recommendations? I see Tom Asta swears by ace bushings.[close]
Harder bushings will certainly make things more stable. Ace bushings are not standard size, and not sure how they would fit in Thunders. Thunder makes assorted after market bushing, and so does Indy...but Indy offers more shapes and hardness options.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a little bushing madness. I am currently running Thunder 149 Lights with the stock bushings. 8.5 deck, 54mm spitfire classics. I am a bigger dude, pushing 250 (dad life) wondering if I should go to harder bushings to improve stability. If so, recommendations? I see Tom Asta swears by ace bushings.[close]
Harder bushings will certainly make things more stable. Ace bushings are not standard size, and not sure how they would fit in Thunders. Thunder makes assorted after market bushing, and so does Indy...but Indy offers more shapes and hardness options.[close]
Tom Asta specifically said he was on a trip and his bushings fucked up, got some Ace/Bones and it worked, so he stuck with it because he was used to it. Not sure if that means its not his preference, or just what he's into.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI can tell you that I only ride conical fulls and OG classics is because they made crooks way easier for me, if classics made em easier, I’d use them 100% of the time, they look way better on ACE (sorry, I don’t have any recent street clips to show a rounded ledge.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJD7gAWpKAf/?igsh=MW1yaG1weDc3NWQ3OA==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB8kvyIF-yu/?igsh=cW9qNXZndTdnZXRy
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnsmgz6Ide0/?igsh=N29zcXB0aTB1ZDh2ff[close]
lmao i dont doubt you dude, nice crook
My preference for wheel shape with the most comfortable lock in is just different on certain obstacles, your mileage may vary. Also I ride ventures, venture hangers articulate much much less than ace, so that might be a factor
Do I really have to dig up a bunch of clips of me doing pinched grinds to prove I'm not bullshitting... but if I absolutely must then I will lol[close]
Please do! I need some crooks inspiration. I'm absolutely dogshit at 'em but after switching from Thunders and a Classic style wheel to Aces and big Conical Fulls I feel like I'm really locked in on them comfortably for the first time. It also could definitely be a skill issue.[close]
Lol ok went thru my camera roll and found a bunch of clips that could be considered 'pinched grinds'... basically a bunch of crook/suski/180ng/salad variations on an assortment of obstacles, on assorted trucks n wheel shapes too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-ymAygKbA
lotta dinks, some of em were new learns and didn't think I'd be submitting these to the wheel shape pinch committee
But yeah, for the stuff I'm skating these days, decent ledges, less obnxiously chunked out rounded ones... I definitely prefer my non tiny classics over og classics n other square wheels for crooked grinds n stuff. Plus you get other benefits like easier to climb onto slappies and less chance of getting traintracked etc
Radials probably better but I won't find out for a while[close]
Not relevant to the conversation but the most smoked I've ever gotten was doing a switch back 180 nosegrind on a skinny flatbar. Full on drunk dad moment and landed on my chin... never again.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving a little bushing madness. I am currently running Thunder 149 Lights with the stock bushings. 8.5 deck, 54mm spitfire classics. I am a bigger dude, pushing 250 (dad life) wondering if I should go to harder bushings to improve stability. If so, recommendations? I see Tom Asta swears by ace bushings.[close]
Harder bushings will certainly make things more stable. Ace bushings are not standard size, and not sure how they would fit in Thunders. Thunder makes assorted after market bushing, and so does Indy...but Indy offers more shapes and hardness options.[close]
Stick to the aftermarket Thunder bushings and medium hard for a start. Don't go down the bushing shape / brand / height madness rabbit hole.[close]
i’d go further, and say just buy the 100 du thunder rebuild kit.
i’ve seen this topic in the past go awry, and devolve into some name calling, and problematic talk around bodies. i’m 180, and i find a lot of bushings too loose, which makes sense, because i see many skaters that seem lighter than i. especially with thunders, i personally wouldn’t recommend a medium bushing, for someone much heavier than i.
someone is gonna chime in that they are 3 bills and running the loose truck kit so fuck me and my nonsense.
thunders are great, i like them tighter.
Thank you all for the input on the wheels.
I had problems falling out of crooks with Indy 139s and Bones X99 V1 shape. No problems getting the slide provided the ledge had enough wax.
I run two setups so I think I got it figured out. It was the combination of Indys and a narrow wheel not going into pinch quick enough. (But that combination never gave me wheelbite, which was nice.)
Indy 139 + X99 V6 holds on to crooks fine.
Thunder 148 + X99 V1 holds on to crooks fine.
Indy 139 + X99 V1 falls out into noseslide too easily. (for me)
FWIW, X99 V1s were the narrowest wheel at my local shop. If that's what you want, they're great when paired with the right trucks. I had no problems with speed or rough ground despite them being narrow.
That's weird as I've had the opposite effect. The height difference is 1.5mm and forged Indy have the same WB. If you have a fresh set of wheels that can make up some of the difference. I skated Thunders for a bit before Ventures and remember having some worn 52's on a flatter deck and it feeling kinda lifeless. I went and bought some new 54 classics and it was actually substantially better. These days if I went back to Thunder I'd stick to 53-54s personally.
You said Indy forged, which is interesting, because those always feel too light and I hate them. One would expect that Thunders would feel a bit "beefier" or in my experience do. FWIW my timing is more similar between Thunder and Venture than between Indy and either. Indy/AF1 to me feel super similar as well. If I ride a friends board with those I feel like I'm learning new again.
Well, this is kind of fascinating. I've never been a Thunder fan. They don't have as much of a "fun" turn as Indys, and the base plate issue has always been a problem for me with nose/tail slides. Despite this, I wanted to try the new IKP Thunders, because, well, just because. My 148s arrived today. While at work tonight, I set them up on my deck. After work, I went out for a real mellow cruise / slappy session (mostly just to start breaking-in bushing, and get a sense of how they turned, etc.). Then something shocking happened.
I am coming off Indy forged. My deck is near the end of it's life. I had figured within a week I'd be swapping it out for a new one. However, with Thunders on it, it suddenly felt so flat and just spent. I'm guessing this is because of the height difference between Indy and Thunder???? A longer truck wheel base should make your kicks feel a bit steeper, but this seemed to have the opposite effect. I normally ride "IV" stamped decks, but after this session I was like "Give me a fresh II stamped. This is shit is soooo flat." I'll be curious to see what happens when Indys go back on this deck.
Speaking of Indy forged -- file this under madness: I've been a sworn Awake pal for a while now and thought I'd lost my pop and many other things on Indy and would never return from Ventureland.
Well, lo and behold, just for the fun of it, I set up Indy 149 Tits paired with a 14.38 wb 8.25 (8.38 in reality) BBS deck and after a half an hour of readjusting my shit, I'm feeling like this is the best setup in a while and my pop is springy and effortless and I'm loving the turn again and whatnot.
What's the weirdest part is that I tried 144 Indy Tits some months ago and they felt like shit. Can the 149 vs. 144 difference be so all-encompassing?
Looks like Imma keep two setups for the foreseeable future: one with Indy 149s and a longer wb deck, and another with 5.6 Ventures paired with a 8.125/8.25 / 14.25 wb deck.
At least I'll keep my neural pathways at work upon switching between the two, if nothing else.
Expand QuoteSpeaking of Indy forged -- file this under madness: I've been a sworn Awake pal for a while now and thought I'd lost my pop and many other things on Indy and would never return from Ventureland.
Well, lo and behold, just for the fun of it, I set up Indy 149 Tits paired with a 14.38 wb 8.25 (8.38 in reality) BBS deck and after a half an hour of readjusting my shit, I'm feeling like this is the best setup in a while and my pop is springy and effortless and I'm loving the turn again and whatnot.
What's the weirdest part is that I tried 144 Indy Tits some months ago and they felt like shit. Can the 149 vs. 144 difference be so all-encompassing?
Looks like Imma keep two setups for the foreseeable future: one with Indy 149s and a longer wb deck, and another with 5.6 Ventures paired with a 8.125/8.25 / 14.25 wb deck.
At least I'll keep my neural pathways at work upon switching between the two, if nothing else.[close]
I'm having both setups as well. After skating Ventures (forged bp) with 14" wb on street and park, I tried to skate a bit of pool with my 14.25" wb wider board with Indy Ti's. On first two drop-ins I tossed at the bottom because the setup felt so off, which has been very rare for me (I suck skating transition but can usually drop-in to even tighter DIYs). Had to extend the wheelbase to 14.5" to mitigate that. Similarly, after some slappy sessions on Indys I usually have to spend one or at least half a session to get my flips back on Ventures. So it's a huge difference.
Let's see if switching to Venture cast baseplates changes this at all...
will indy 144 works well with april boards? currently using 8.375 mariano deck with 148 thunder standards. thinking to get indy 144 hollow/forged hollow, i wonder how much off my timings will be. wheels now F4 53mm CF.
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Alright pals I need some guidance. I skate standard venture trucks with 53mm spitfire classics. In theory, a shorter wheelbase board would work well with venture. However even something like a 14.25 wb feels unstable to me. I want to find that sweet spot of comfort/maneuverability and I’m having a hard time. I am 5’10 and skate 8.5. When I switch to an 14.5 wheelbase I feel more stable but it’s a chore getting that thing off the ground. Any insight that y’all have would be really helpful.
Expand QuoteAlright pals I need some guidance. I skate standard venture trucks with 53mm spitfire classics. In theory, a shorter wheelbase board would work well with venture. However even something like a 14.25 wb feels unstable to me. I want to find that sweet spot of comfort/maneuverability and I’m having a hard time. I am 5’10 and skate 8.5. When I switch to an 14.5 wheelbase I feel more stable but it’s a chore getting that thing off the ground. Any insight that y’all have would be really helpful.[close]
DLX 8.25/14.38
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAlright pals I need some guidance. I skate standard venture trucks with 53mm spitfire classics. In theory, a shorter wheelbase board would work well with venture. However even something like a 14.25 wb feels unstable to me. I want to find that sweet spot of comfort/maneuverability and I’m having a hard time. I am 5’10 and skate 8.5. When I switch to an 14.5 wheelbase I feel more stable but it’s a chore getting that thing off the ground. Any insight that y’all have would be really helpful.[close]
DLX 8.25/14.38[close]
I personally think this tail is too short for Venture. I like the BBS 8.38 or the Tom Know Krooked 8.5x14.38 shape a ton. I've had 2 of those now and they're real nice!
April 8.5. 14.4 wheelbase (close enough), longer nose works really well for me with ventures. Tail is definitely mellower than most boards and not too short, makes the pop feel much more friendly than many other 8.5 14.5 boards on ventures.
Cast hollow ventures will also make your setup a lil less hefty.
I used to skate a lot of 8.5 14.25 boards on ventures. Nice for flatground and ledges and not skating too fast, but a lil compact and cramped in many cases. 14.5 8.5 boards felt like a bit much. The April 8.5s have cured my board madness when it comes to ventures.
My guess is the mellow baker 8.5s probably feel pretty responsive compared to steeper 8.5s too.
YMMV lol
I got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.Hope you'll heal soon man
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....
Hope you'll heal soon manExpand QuoteI got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....[close]
I got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....
I got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.Damnit man hope you're not out too long. I know what you mean tho. It's like when you get hurt riding a certain board it feels cursed.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....
Totally. What that happens board and shoes need to leave.Damnit man hope you're not out too long. I know what you mean tho. It's like when you get hurt riding a certain board it feels cursed.Expand QuoteI got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....[close]
Expand QuoteI got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....[close]
Erf. If that was me, first thing I'd be thinking about was shin guards, not my set-up. :) That said, when I broke my leg, I tossed that entire set-up. Got exact same thing in replacement (it's my "grail"), but didn't want to be riding the actual same board I got the injury on again, so I get your sentiments. Hope you heal up quick!
Damnit man hope you're not out too long. I know what you mean tho. It's like when you get hurt riding a certain board it feels cursed.Expand QuoteI got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....[close]
I got broke off today worse than I have in a while and it's making me want to change my entire setup.
Not that I would've avoided this injury on a different setup or anything, or maybe I would have, who knows?
I just feel like I have a total aversion to my whole setup after this slam lol. Bust my leg wide open on a kink rail. Worst shinner of my life, sitting in the ER now waiting to get stitches.
And here I am thinking about my setup.....
In attempts to cure madness, when the mood strikes to tweak this or that, I refer to this video.
https://youtu.be/BcxyfinyMSU?si=ZFAy8YPF7mhAD8Dk
Expand QuoteIn attempts to cure madness, when the mood strikes to tweak this or that, I refer to this video.
https://youtu.be/BcxyfinyMSU?si=ZFAy8YPF7mhAD8Dk[close]
tell me more please
this guy is obviously very good, but he’s just never moved the needle in a positive direction for me. pretty mellow in this video, i like 159s….but yeah he’s just not my guy
In attempts to cure madness, when the mood strikes to tweak this or that, I refer to this video.
https://youtu.be/BcxyfinyMSU?si=ZFAy8YPF7mhAD8Dk
Alright pals I need some advice/someone to talk me down lol. For a majority of my skate career I used thunders, but always felt like my pop feel was missing. I was able to get a decent bag of flat ground tricks and a few ledge tricks. (fromt/back 50, front tail,front 5-0, bs crooked). I switched to indys and could not get them to feel right. Either too tall or too heavy. They always felt a little unstable to me. I am now on venture 5.8 standard. I can do most of my tricks that I could on thunder with a few missing. I had a bout of madness last night and put 149 mids on my board and hated it. Its like I am expecting a huge change in everything by switching a component of my gear. So I put my ventures back on and am trying to not change anything for a few weeks. For reference I am 5'10, my board is an 8.4 frog with a 14.25 wheelbase. What are your changes in mindset that help you fight the madness? I tried to have a setup that is somewhat "normal" so there are no excuses there. IDK!! please assist.
Something else to add: It does not matter which truck I use, I notice that in my footage my back foot comes off the board when I ollie. Sometimes a little bit, sometimes alot. So my friend was telling me to take the rest of the summer to just focus on getting a solid ollie. So that makes me think, do I need a different set-up to learn a more solid ollie? Something lower/easier to get off the ground?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn attempts to cure madness, when the mood strikes to tweak this or that, I refer to this video.
https://youtu.be/BcxyfinyMSU?si=ZFAy8YPF7mhAD8Dk[close]
tell me more please
this guy is obviously very good, but he’s just never moved the needle in a positive direction for me. pretty mellow in this video, i like 159s….but yeah he’s just not my guy[close]
It's not about moving a needle?
He doesn't really give a shit about his gear. That's the vibe.
Skates something that works for the majority of what he likes to skate and doesn't worry about what gives him trouble.
Alright pals I need some advice/someone to talk me down lol. For a majority of my skate career I used thunders, but always felt like my pop feel was missing. I was able to get a decent bag of flat ground tricks and a few ledge tricks. (fromt/back 50, front tail,front 5-0, bs crooked). I switched to indys and could not get them to feel right. Either too tall or too heavy. They always felt a little unstable to me. I am now on venture 5.8 standard. I can do most of my tricks that I could on thunder with a few missing. I had a bout of madness last night and put 149 mids on my board and hated it. Its like I am expecting a huge change in everything by switching a component of my gear. So I put my ventures back on and am trying to not change anything for a few weeks. For reference I am 5'10, my board is an 8.4 frog with a 14.25 wheelbase. What are your changes in mindset that help you fight the madness? I tried to have a setup that is somewhat "normal" so there are no excuses there. IDK!! please assist.With the back foot lifting off the board I found tightening my trucks helped with that a lot. Technique and practice definitely plays a part in it and you shouldn't ignore those but tightening at least my back truck was a massive help for that.
Something else to add: It does not matter which truck I use, I notice that in my footage my back foot comes off the board when I ollie. Sometimes a little bit, sometimes alot. So my friend was telling me to take the rest of the summer to just focus on getting a solid ollie. So that makes me think, do I need a different set-up to learn a more solid ollie? Something lower/easier to get off the ground?
With the back foot lifting off the board I found tightening my trucks helped with that a lot. Technique and practice definitely plays a part in it and you shouldn't ignore those but tightening at least my back truck was a massive help for that.Expand QuoteAlright pals I need some advice/someone to talk me down lol. For a majority of my skate career I used thunders, but always felt like my pop feel was missing. I was able to get a decent bag of flat ground tricks and a few ledge tricks. (fromt/back 50, front tail,front 5-0, bs crooked). I switched to indys and could not get them to feel right. Either too tall or too heavy. They always felt a little unstable to me. I am now on venture 5.8 standard. I can do most of my tricks that I could on thunder with a few missing. I had a bout of madness last night and put 149 mids on my board and hated it. Its like I am expecting a huge change in everything by switching a component of my gear. So I put my ventures back on and am trying to not change anything for a few weeks. For reference I am 5'10, my board is an 8.4 frog with a 14.25 wheelbase. What are your changes in mindset that help you fight the madness? I tried to have a setup that is somewhat "normal" so there are no excuses there. IDK!! please assist.
Something else to add: It does not matter which truck I use, I notice that in my footage my back foot comes off the board when I ollie. Sometimes a little bit, sometimes alot. So my friend was telling me to take the rest of the summer to just focus on getting a solid ollie. So that makes me think, do I need a different set-up to learn a more solid ollie? Something lower/easier to get off the ground?[close]
How long have you been on the Ventures all together? You said there are a few tricks you can't do on them that you could with Thunder but you may just need time to adjust or to make some small tweaks to foot position for those tricks.
I have been on ventures since December, I think part of the problem is that the wheelbase on my board has changed every time, and I have had 6 boards since I started on them.
Expand QuoteIn attempts to cure madness, when the mood strikes to tweak this or that, I refer to this video.
https://youtu.be/BcxyfinyMSU?si=ZFAy8YPF7mhAD8Dk[close]
This randomly popped up on my suggested earlier today, the algorithm has worked its magic, I thought about this thread when I watched it
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn attempts to cure madness, when the mood strikes to tweak this or that, I refer to this video.
https://youtu.be/BcxyfinyMSU?si=ZFAy8YPF7mhAD8Dk[close]
This randomly popped up on my suggested earlier today, the algorithm has worked its magic, I thought about this thread when I watched it[close]
Listened to his episode on the Mostly Skateboarding podcast - he sounds really chill. Very understated but when he puts out footage you're reminded how good he is.
I own far too many pairs of shoes, but it’s only really three styles in different colour ways.
Trying to whittle down the amount but it still seems stupidly excessive.
Someone please talk me into sticking with a dedicated set up. Kind of a cross post between this thread and the Gear You're Contemplating Buying Thread, but I'm thinking of buying a stack of the same deck from the Thank You Supply sale and sticking with it until they're skated through. Thanks.
Someone please talk me into sticking with a dedicated set up. Kind of a cross post between this thread and the Gear You're Contemplating Buying Thread, but I'm thinking of buying a stack of the same deck from the Thank You Supply sale and sticking with it until they're skated through. Thanks.
Expand QuoteSomeone please talk me into sticking with a dedicated set up. Kind of a cross post between this thread and the Gear You're Contemplating Buying Thread, but I'm thinking of buying a stack of the same deck from the Thank You Supply sale and sticking with it until they're skated through. Thanks.[close]
I found an enjoi shape I really liked, have kept on it for a couple years now. Makes setting up a new board less daunting.
...switching gear does not help at all. When you switch, the gear will feel different and that's about it. The adjustment period just isn't worth the minimal gains that you might get.
I am on 8.5/14.5 and am planning to stay on that for a while.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSomeone please talk me into sticking with a dedicated set up. Kind of a cross post between this thread and the Gear You're Contemplating Buying Thread, but I'm thinking of buying a stack of the same deck from the Thank You Supply sale and sticking with it until they're skated through. Thanks.[close]
I found an enjoi shape I really liked, have kept on it for a couple years now. Makes setting up a new board less daunting.[close]
Until you’ve burned through all of them.
Expand Quote...switching gear does not help at all. When you switch, the gear will feel different and that's about it. The adjustment period just isn't worth the minimal gains that you might get.[close]
These are all facts. But it also opens another Madness door: How do I want my set-up to feel right now?QuoteExpand QuoteI am on 8.5/14.5 and am planning to stay on that for a while.[close]
I am always on the look-out for a good 8.5/14.5. What are you riding?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSomeone please talk me into sticking with a dedicated set up. Kind of a cross post between this thread and the Gear You're Contemplating Buying Thread, but I'm thinking of buying a stack of the same deck from the Thank You Supply sale and sticking with it until they're skated through. Thanks.[close]
I found an enjoi shape I really liked, have kept on it for a couple years now. Makes setting up a new board less daunting.[close]
Until you’ve burned through all of them.[close]
A stack 20 high and then it’s over to Jacuzzi, because they make the same board
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSomeone please talk me into sticking with a dedicated set up. Kind of a cross post between this thread and the Gear You're Contemplating Buying Thread, but I'm thinking of buying a stack of the same deck from the Thank You Supply sale and sticking with it until they're skated through. Thanks.[close]
I found an enjoi shape I really liked, have kept on it for a couple years now. Makes setting up a new board less daunting.[close]
Until you’ve burned through all of them.[close]
A stack 20 high and then it’s over to Jacuzzi, because they make the same board[close]
That’s rad you found the same shape for when the hoard runs dry.
That's why you choose bigger companies or common shapes. I've sent a pic of a Quasi deck I had years ago to their email and they've been like "Yup, we have that shape currently as this". Or you know if you get a DLX 8.25x14.38 its the same one you had 8 years ago.
That's why you choose bigger companies or common shapes. I've sent a pic of a Quasi deck I had years ago to their email and they've been like "Yup, we have that shape currently as this". Or you know if you get a DLX 8.25x14.38 its the same one you had 8 years ago.
That's why you choose bigger companies or common shapes. I've sent a pic of a Quasi deck I had years ago to their email and they've been like "Yup, we have that shape currently as this". Or you know if you get a DLX 8.25x14.38 its the same one you had 8 years ago.
Expand QuoteThat's why you choose bigger companies or common shapes. I've sent a pic of a Quasi deck I had years ago to their email and they've been like "Yup, we have that shape currently as this". Or you know if you get a DLX 8.25x14.38 its the same one you had 8 years ago.[close]
Smart to find a shape from BBS or PS that lots of brands use and stick with it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThat's why you choose bigger companies or common shapes. I've sent a pic of a Quasi deck I had years ago to their email and they've been like "Yup, we have that shape currently as this". Or you know if you get a DLX 8.25x14.38 its the same one you had 8 years ago.[close]
Smart to find a shape from BBS or PS that lots of brands use and stick with it.[close]
Yes, that was my plan, still is I guess for the most part.
I do like the familiarity of the same boards over and over, but I also like to try new things from time to time as well, for better or worse, so sometimes the curiosity gets a bit much and I obsess over some shapes or just wonder too much what something else might be like.
Bringing it all on myself, so no one else to blame, but it is funny when I get back on my usual 8.38 or 8.5 and they feel different now, more often than not too skinny, as I have been trying the 8.75 and 9.0 sizes a bit recently.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThat's why you choose bigger companies or common shapes. I've sent a pic of a Quasi deck I had years ago to their email and they've been like "Yup, we have that shape currently as this". Or you know if you get a DLX 8.25x14.38 its the same one you had 8 years ago.[close]
Smart to find a shape from BBS or PS that lots of brands use and stick with it.[close]
Yes, that was my plan, still is I guess for the most part.
I do like the familiarity of the same boards over and over, but I also like to try new things from time to time as well, for better or worse, so sometimes the curiosity gets a bit much and I obsess over some shapes or just wonder too much what something else might be like.
Bringing it all on myself, so no one else to blame, but it is funny when I get back on my usual 8.38 or 8.5 and they feel different now, more often than not too skinny, as I have been trying the 8.75 and 9.0 sizes a bit recently.[close]
Do you ride the same size trucks across those different board sizes?
This year, I've been adamant about not changing truck size. I can't easily adjust when the axle width changes from one setup to another.
I know for a fact from years of experience that I skate the best on BBS boards and indy trucks. And I have a stockpile of new gear that will take me years to get through. Still, I’ve had $200 worth of product sitting in my cart on that darn thankyousupply sale for the last week. I’m trying not to push the purchase button. But I just might. I’ve never tried Tensors. And the mag lights are supposed to grind anything, right? It’s hard to pass up a $20 board, even if you’ll probably hate it.
Everytime I don't buy new gear when I get paid is a win. Truck curiousity is dogging me though. I love my ace classic 55s I skated Indy 149 stds for like ten years straight before them and they almost skate lighter even though theyre way heavier.
Slappys have better clearance (never been an issue for me, maybe on already dead Indy hangars), Lurpivs are tall (There's not actually anything wrong with the risers I run on the aces) Indys have a slightly better pinch (If I really really wanted that I'd go back to my Venture 5.8s they crooked incredibly)
I did just run a Heated Wheeled shaped board with a short nose and big tail for fun and pushed myself on transistion enough that its street failings didn't bug me as much. But I'm on a 9 inch pop now and it's nice to be back
Just sitting at work thinking about trucks
Edit: the classics axles are slipping a bit which is why I initially wanted to move on from them. Maybe I'll just axle a pair of stage 4s and then come back to thinking about it
Just sitting at work thinking about trucks
In the last month I've actually ridden 4 brands of trucks. I was on Ventures for 9mo and had a bad week of skating and thought going back to Thunders would cure some shitty flip tricks. In the process also decided to try Indy cast hollow. Oh boi did that open up old feelings. My timing isn't super different than Venture but they pop lighter. Pinch ain't a problem. Manuals feel nicer. But I commit to Thunder for a few weeks and my fucking bushings blow out again and I have a few days where I feel like they almost pop a little bit too light for me when I skate faster. Back and forth with Indy can't decide. Finally about to leave some gear at the park when I try my Ventures again and randomly all the qualms I had were kinda non existent.
Funny thing is I can do everything I can do on all of them. It's just various details that change. But still haven't decided what I'll setup.
Expand QuoteIn the last month I've actually ridden 4 brands of trucks. I was on Ventures for 9mo and had a bad week of skating and thought going back to Thunders would cure some shitty flip tricks. In the process also decided to try Indy cast hollow. Oh boi did that open up old feelings. My timing isn't super different than Venture but they pop lighter. Pinch ain't a problem. Manuals feel nicer. But I commit to Thunder for a few weeks and my fucking bushings blow out again and I have a few days where I feel like they almost pop a little bit too light for me when I skate faster. Back and forth with Indy can't decide. Finally about to leave some gear at the park when I try my Ventures again and randomly all the qualms I had were kinda non existent.
Funny thing is I can do everything I can do on all of them. It's just various details that change. But still haven't decided what I'll setup.[close]
I went through this exact equation of madness with the exact brands you have mentioned. I am similar to you, in that I can do all my same tricks on each brand, it’s just the feeling is different. So take solace in knowing that it truly doesn’t matter which truck you go with because it actually will not make a difference from a trick technicality standpoint. I also left all of my used gear that I knew wasn’t working for me at the skatepark. This way, I only have one setup to look at. I am way less tempted to switch anything out if it means I have to go to the shop and buy more gear. Back when I had like 4 sets of trucks at the crib it was a daily roll the dice situation as to what I would skate.
I see a 5 pack from Skate Samples in my future. 8)
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And my past and present
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI see a 5 pack from Skate Samples in my future. 8)[close]
And my past and present[close]
For people in USA without industry or shop links, are these the best price and option for people who like BBS boards?
Maybe it is just because I tend to like plain stains more than graphics now, but it just seems like it would be easier to get any of these and do whatever to them, more so than the cost or purchase of any other board that I have to go remove the graphic anyway, or because not being in USA I can't justify the additional cost to ship them out here.
That in itself is some of my madness when I see all those amazing boards in the setups threads, DIY graphics or plain stains, which all look really good.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI see a 5 pack from Skate Samples in my future. 8)[close]
And my past and present[close]
For people in USA without industry or shop links, are these the best price and option for people who like BBS boards?
Maybe it is just because I tend to like plain stains more than graphics now, but it just seems like it would be easier to get any of these and do whatever to them, more so than the cost or purchase of any other board that I have to go remove the graphic anyway, or because not being in USA I can't justify the additional cost to ship them out here.
That in itself is some of my madness when I see all those amazing boards in the setups threads, DIY graphics or plain stains, which all look really good.
Can someone here speak on the differences between 8.5 to 8.25 axle trucks? I’m on 5.8s and am considering 5.6s because I want something slightly more maneuverable and easier to get off the ground.
Can someone here speak on the differences between 8.5 to 8.25 axle trucks? I’m on 5.8s and am considering 5.6s because I want something slightly more maneuverable and easier to get off the ground.
Can someone here speak on the differences between 8.5 to 8.25 axle trucks? I’m on 5.8s and am considering 5.6s because I want something slightly more maneuverable and easier to get off the ground.
@xen I would be switching from 5.8 to 5.6 standard. I honestly need to be talked out of it
Wait till you try 5.6 with 3 washers inside and realize that yes, maybe you can have it all!
Anyone else run 4 total washers per wheel? Either inside or outside I've grown to really hate wearing my axle ends down.
I've been loving 149s/5.8s on a 8.38 deck recently. Such a solid-feeling setup. Previously rode 144s on 8.25 and 8.38 decks, and always felt that there's a tiny something that puts me off just a bit. With the current combo I can skate everything from flatground to bigger tranny, which is awesome as I want to skate everything (vert excluded).
Try it! Taking the risk is part of the madness.
Expand QuoteWait till you try 5.6 with 3 washers inside and realize that yes, maybe you can have it all!
Anyone else run 4 total washers per wheel? Either inside or outside I've grown to really hate wearing my axle ends down.[close]
i need to get some thinner washers (were these ever called ‘speed rings’? am i just being a dumbass, is this a safety belt vs seat belt thing i’ve made up in my head?)
4 is a little hard for me to pull off, if they are the wrong thickness i run out of axle, and i’m more worried about the nut/wheel falling off.
i do run 2 on the inside, and wide wheels, on my 5.6s on an 8.25 deck.
the 5.6s are fine, and i’ve stuck with them for longer than i normally do. i am using forged plate 5.6s, and they don’t excite me the way the 6.1s did, but i have no business on a truck that big.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWait till you try 5.6 with 3 washers inside and realize that yes, maybe you can have it all!
Anyone else run 4 total washers per wheel? Either inside or outside I've grown to really hate wearing my axle ends down.[close]
i need to get some thinner washers (were these ever called ‘speed rings’? am i just being a dumbass, is this a safety belt vs seat belt thing i’ve made up in my head?)
4 is a little hard for me to pull off, if they are the wrong thickness i run out of axle, and i’m more worried about the nut/wheel falling off.
i do run 2 on the inside, and wide wheels, on my 5.6s on an 8.25 deck.
the 5.6s are fine, and i’ve stuck with them for longer than i normally do. i am using forged plate 5.6s, and they don’t excite me the way the 6.1s did, but i have no business on a truck that big.[close]
Re different size washers, yes, I got a pack of 1000 or so from ebay a number of years ago now (from China) and they are significantly thinner, so I can fit four of those on the inside of each with some wheels with the axle nuts on safely, but I tend to stick with regular washers, usually three on the insides and they work just fine for everything for me.
As long as the nuts are never just finger tight, they all work well and the nut is never down past the end of the axle anyway, so all my trucks don't have issues in that regard, but also getting a box of axle nuts helped to ensure that I never have any issues there either.
I don't ever really bother with any washers on the outside - the nuts have a built in taper to them so they sit well on the bearings, but I know some people who always must have at least one washer on either side, so that is just another version of madness there too - not a worry to me.
Re "Speed rings" yes they were called this a lot back in the day and were even in marketing from skate brands as speed rings for a while too, although I haven't heard them called that for a while now.
I've been in 8.25 for a while now and I was like "I feel like an 8.5" (which I skated for a numbers of years and all good).
So I got a 8.5 and I think I'm hating it.
Don't want to setup a 8.25 since my pride would be hurt on the sense of "I couldn't manage an 8.5" which is pretty dumb but is how things are.
Most likely tomorrow I'll post on the setup threads that I out together an 8.25 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gosh I love skateboarding.
I'd say that weight was a factor in here and lenght also, that 8.5 was 32.1 which felt way too much after being in 31.6 for a while. Pretty sure that the Toy one I just setup (8.25 x 31.98 x 14.25) will feel great.Expand QuoteI've been in 8.25 for a while now and I was like "I feel like an 8.5" (which I skated for a numbers of years and all good).
So I got a 8.5 and I think I'm hating it.
Don't want to setup a 8.25 since my pride would be hurt on the sense of "I couldn't manage an 8.5" which is pretty dumb but is how things are.
Most likely tomorrow I'll post on the setup threads that I out together an 8.25 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gosh I love skateboarding.[close]
There are way more factors than width that would dictate if you like or hate a shape did you get one close to your normal? I find I like to keep the nose relatively the same and preferably wheelbase. I had a Sci Fi 8.25 I liked and got an AH 8.5 eagle right after I hated. The Eagle was noticeably shorter, shorter tail, nose slightly shorter as well. Had an 8.5 Quasi after that was 14.25, nice longer nose, measured closer to the Sci Fi and skated great.
The 8.5 eagle measured a hair under 8.4 if I remember correctly. The shape reminds me of the Baker 8.475 which has similar dimensions but a bit flatter. Been awhile on both of those but i remember flip trips being very consistent but it was so much harder to pop higher that it wasn't worth it.Expand QuoteI've been in 8.25 for a while now and I was like "I feel like an 8.5" (which I skated for a numbers of years and all good).
So I got a 8.5 and I think I'm hating it.
Don't want to setup a 8.25 since my pride would be hurt on the sense of "I couldn't manage an 8.5" which is pretty dumb but is how things are.
Most likely tomorrow I'll post on the setup threads that I out together an 8.25 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gosh I love skateboarding.[close]
There are way more factors than width that would dictate if you like or hate a shape did you get one close to your normal? I find I like to keep the nose relatively the same and preferably wheelbase. I had a Sci Fi 8.25 I liked and got an AH 8.5 eagle right after I hated. The Eagle was noticeably shorter, shorter tail, nose slightly shorter as well. Had an 8.5 Quasi after that was 14.25, nice longer nose, measured closer to the Sci Fi and skated great.
I personally don't love that eagle shape. It's 8.38 with 14.2 and 31.8.
What truck is suited better for someone that doesn’t have a lot of power in their popping foot? Injuries have made it hard to pop my board. Should I be looking at trucks that pop fast and are light (Thunder hollow lights, lower truck, extend wheelbase) or something that lightens the pop? (ace/indy)
What truck is suited better for someone that doesn’t have a lot of power in their popping foot? Injuries have made it hard to pop my board. Should I be looking at trucks that pop fast and are light (Thunder hollow lights, lower truck, extend wheelbase) or something that lightens the pop? (ace/indy)I would suggest a lower truck over a truck that shortens your overall wheelbase. I hesitated to try Thunders after spending 15 years on independent and ace, but my flip tricks have never felt more solid (I’m using the inverted edition 148s with riptides and ace low/high mix hards.)
Expand QuoteWhat truck is suited better for someone that doesn’t have a lot of power in their popping foot? Injuries have made it hard to pop my board. Should I be looking at trucks that pop fast and are light (Thunder hollow lights, lower truck, extend wheelbase) or something that lightens the pop? (ace/indy)[close]
I think it is more down to a lower angle of kicks on the board - more mellow board, than the trucks, but in saying that, Indy work well for me with almost everything, compared to Thunder, Venture or Ace (or others) but that might also be because I am way more used to Indy standard trucks in general, even though I do have all the other trucks on boards anyway, including forged baseplates, ti or hollow axles, smaller to wider options, etc.
Lighter doesn't always mean better, but for the most part, Indy forged baseplates / hollow hangers might be easier in the weight department for some people too. Whatever the reason, something that you know has worked for you can also be the easiest option, eg if you are used to skating a certain brand of truck, that is where I would start, over getting into other options you may not have really skated a whole lot in the past, which might not be too hard to adapt to, but can sometimes be frustrating in getting to that point.
For me though - ankle injuries have meant that having more mellow kicks, or a more mellow tail in particular means I find things way easier to be happy and just do what I do, not really thinking about getting a lot of height from ollies, and more just enjoying rolling around, but still pop if or when needed, more so than ghost popping everything on a steeper tail.
Others might have different options, but that is my take on it anyway.
What truck is suited better for someone that doesn’t have a lot of power in their popping foot? Injuries have made it hard to pop my board. Should I be looking at trucks that pop fast and are light (Thunder hollow lights, lower truck, extend wheelbase) or something that lightens the pop? (ace/indy)
Thanks for the solid advice. These thunders aren’t doing it for me so time to experiment. That being said, how do Indy and ace compare pop wise?
have been wanting to own a pair of every brand of trucks
the only ones i havent tried that i want to are slappy and lurpiv
i really dont have money to be buying more trucks though :(
but then i think about it and really i think i actually like the way thunder and venture are more than indy and ace... so why dont i just stay with those brands? i dont skate hardly any transition anyway... dont think thats gonna change too mcuh unless i move or something
i started sakting small wheels and i didnt feel like i was sakting way more tech or anything. i went back to the big wheels and i like it way more so i am just stayin with that from now on too.
It's been mentioned a couple of times here, so you and I are not the first, fakie tricks on thunders (and i guess switch for some depending on where you shift/hold your weight) are tricky compared to say a venture in terms of forgiveness (same for royals); it's all subjective and based on what your needs and style are. Do I *need* a thunder vs a venture? Personally no. I'm not good enough for it to matter and both provide enough turn for me.
I've a love/hate with thunders as I love how nimble/agile they are (but not good enough to land bolts everytime to avoid wheebite and can't/choose not to ride super tight), nothing comes close to them in that regard.
Slappys are the 'nimble' ACE/Indy vs super turny/slow carvy. Royals are just a quicker intial turning venture.
We could all skate any of them, anywhere, if we had too especially someone not riding 100% bowls or who skates supertight.
Expand QuoteIt's been mentioned a couple of times here, so you and I are not the first, fakie tricks on thunders (and i guess switch for some depending on where you shift/hold your weight) are tricky compared to say a venture in terms of forgiveness (same for royals); it's all subjective and based on what your needs and style are. Do I *need* a thunder vs a venture? Personally no. I'm not good enough for it to matter and both provide enough turn for me.
I've a love/hate with thunders as I love how nimble/agile they are (but not good enough to land bolts everytime to avoid wheebite and can't/choose not to ride super tight), nothing comes close to them in that regard.
Slappys are the 'nimble' ACE/Indy vs super turny/slow carvy. Royals are just a quicker intial turning venture.
We could all skate any of them, anywhere, if we had too especially someone not riding 100% bowls or who skates supertight.[close]
Bro you've piqued my interest with regards to Royals. I can't skate anything else than Indy or Venture (tried and tested), but I keep madnessing over which I prefer long term.
Would Royals solve my problem? I know, the question is kinda insane, but humour me at least rhetorically here. How's the pop feel with Royals? And as a dude who rides transition amidst all the ledge/curb stuff, would Royals provide a happy medium here? I love the stability and ooomph of Ventures and the surfy turn of Indys. Not looking for extremes either way. Would Royals be a compromise or a synergy? Much love.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's been mentioned a couple of times here, so you and I are not the first, fakie tricks on thunders (and i guess switch for some depending on where you shift/hold your weight) are tricky compared to say a venture in terms of forgiveness (same for royals); it's all subjective and based on what your needs and style are. Do I *need* a thunder vs a venture? Personally no. I'm not good enough for it to matter and both provide enough turn for me.
I've a love/hate with thunders as I love how nimble/agile they are (but not good enough to land bolts everytime to avoid wheebite and can't/choose not to ride super tight), nothing comes close to them in that regard.
Slappys are the 'nimble' ACE/Indy vs super turny/slow carvy. Royals are just a quicker intial turning venture.
We could all skate any of them, anywhere, if we had too especially someone not riding 100% bowls or who skates supertight.[close]
Bro you've piqued my interest with regards to Royals. I can't skate anything else than Indy or Venture (tried and tested), but I keep madnessing over which I prefer long term.
Would Royals solve my problem? I know, the question is kinda insane, but humour me at least rhetorically here. How's the pop feel with Royals? And as a dude who rides transition amidst all the ledge/curb stuff, would Royals provide a happy medium here? I love the stability and ooomph of Ventures and the surfy turn of Indys. Not looking for extremes either way. Would Royals be a compromise or a synergy? Much love.[close]
I wish I could say yes, because if any of us can be cured it's a step for all of us.
When you skate ventures in bowls what aren't they giving you? And don't say 'indy' ;) What Indy are you riding? Cast/Forged (mids, doubtful)? Cast or forged vents? Big boy wheels or small tech?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's been mentioned a couple of times here, so you and I are not the first, fakie tricks on thunders (and i guess switch for some depending on where you shift/hold your weight) are tricky compared to say a venture in terms of forgiveness (same for royals); it's all subjective and based on what your needs and style are. Do I *need* a thunder vs a venture? Personally no. I'm not good enough for it to matter and both provide enough turn for me.
I've a love/hate with thunders as I love how nimble/agile they are (but not good enough to land bolts everytime to avoid wheebite and can't/choose not to ride super tight), nothing comes close to them in that regard.
Slappys are the 'nimble' ACE/Indy vs super turny/slow carvy. Royals are just a quicker intial turning venture.
We could all skate any of them, anywhere, if we had too especially someone not riding 100% bowls or who skates supertight.[close]
Bro you've piqued my interest with regards to Royals. I can't skate anything else than Indy or Venture (tried and tested), but I keep madnessing over which I prefer long term.
Would Royals solve my problem? I know, the question is kinda insane, but humour me at least rhetorically here. How's the pop feel with Royals? And as a dude who rides transition amidst all the ledge/curb stuff, would Royals provide a happy medium here? I love the stability and ooomph of Ventures and the surfy turn of Indys. Not looking for extremes either way. Would Royals be a compromise or a synergy? Much love.[close]
I wish I could say yes, because if any of us can be cured it's a step for all of us.
When you skate ventures in bowls what aren't they giving you? And don't say 'indy' ;) What Indy are you riding? Cast/Forged (mids, doubtful)? Cast or forged vents? Big boy wheels or small tech?[close]
The Venture (I ride V-hollows so forged) turn in tight trannies isn't forgiving enough for me. Yeah, I'm not Lockwood either (although he skates Thunders but y'know). I have to set them too loose for them to feel good and they end up being kind tippy, for a lack of a better word.
As per Indys, I ride forged. Wheels always around the 54-56mm zone.
But yeah, as per you saying Royals are "neutral" and "are just there" actually sounds pretty good. I'm not looking for "soul" or "personality" in trucks, I'm into function. Any tips on various Royal options with regards to forged/cast/hollow/whatnot?
Oh, and bushings are no problem, I'm used to tweaking them and even have some extra sets of Ace hards from my Ace days.
^^i resonate with this. Indy kind of sucks as a brand but the thing is…they work on a majority of boards for a majority of people.I feel this too. I gave up on trying to make anything else work, I can do ventures and might switch back if they release aftermarket bushings and stuff but I feel like there's a reason pros that dont have a truck sponsor all ride indy, they're just good trucks that turn good and grind good. for me was it's easy to buy more stock bushings too, seems like every aftermarket company caters to indy too if you indys aftermarket stuff isn't available.
I get you on the ventures in bowls in tight pockets, that's my issue with thunders, I have to get them super loose and risk more wheelbite in those tight corners. Ace/Indy/Slappy carve right out (that's what they are made to do). There's one pocket at my local that I can get pitched from if I'm using anything but ACE/Indy/Slappy for some reason, it's so tight that at speed a lean isn't enough, I need deep carve/forgiveness. Especially with BIG wheels.
Royals only come in 3 flavors, they are ALL 52mm tall, so mind your wheel size (I usually don't go past 54mm wheels on 52mm trucks and only ride 51 or smaller on thunders):
Standard (these are the same weight as a comperable sized Indy TI)
Ultra Light (hollow pin/axel) - stupid light, much much lighter than venture hollow but not as light as say a team hollow thunder, but REAL close
Inverted Kingpin (also a standard axle)
Anyone notice a real difference between 8.5 & 8.625?
Thinking about going from Indy Indy 159 w. A 8.75 deck to 149s & 8.5/8.6 to shave off weight.
This might not be madness related per say. But why don’t truck brands publish the team page anymore? I need to know which riders to nerd over and over analyze
Expand QuoteThis might not be madness related per say. But why don’t truck brands publish the team page anymore? I need to know which riders to nerd over and over analyze[close]
https://www.thundertrucks.com/team/
It says "THUNDER TEAM ON INSTAGRAM" and no idea how updated/accurate that is.
Couldn't find other...tho indy does have a 'logo' section now: https://independenttrucks.com/our-logo
Took a look at Ace's team page and find it hilarious Vinnie Bahn is still on there but not Corey Glick or Cyrus Bennett who had their latest ad in Thrasher.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis might not be madness related per say. But why don’t truck brands publish the team page anymore? I need to know which riders to nerd over and over analyze[close]
https://www.thundertrucks.com/team/
It says "THUNDER TEAM ON INSTAGRAM" and no idea how updated/accurate that is.
Couldn't find other...tho indy does have a 'logo' section now: https://independenttrucks.com/our-logo[close]
I knew I Thunder has one and so does royal and Ace. Looking back on my post it was more of a dig at Indy. Show us your cowards!
Normal Ride: 8.25/14.38, IV stamp, 144 forged, 53mm Classics.
Current Ride: 8.5/14.5 BLKLBL (e.g. steeper kicks), 159s forged, 53mm Conicals.
There is nothing I should like about that current set-up....but I am currently LOVING it. The good part, I am not feeling any desire, obsession, etc. to switch out other parts, or compare set-ups. I am just rolling away on this LBL set-up unti it dies, or the desire to try something else come along. For now? Me and board, we mad cool together. It's tight.
Imma save you all from your madness, just follow these easy steps
GFB
159s
x97 54mm
https://skatesamples.com/products/shaped-decks?variant=45132303597873Expand QuoteExpand QuoteImma save you all from your madness, just follow these easy steps
GFB
159s
x97 54mm[close]
What is GFB?[close]
Cyrus is on the main page. IIRC Corey, Jerry, etc get free Ace because they ship their decks with Pepper and the distro sends a boxIve definitely seen a Glick Ace ad in a mag recently.
Normal Ride: 8.25/14.38, IV stamp, 144 forged, 53mm Classics.
Current Ride: 8.5/14.5 BLKLBL (e.g. steeper kicks), 159s forged, 53mm Conicals.
There is nothing I should like about that current set-up....but I am currently LOVING it. The good part, I am not feeling any desire, obsession, etc. to switch out other parts, or compare set-ups. I am just rolling away on this LBL set-up unti it dies, or the desire to try something else come along. For now? Me and board, we mad cool together. It's tight.
I would like to add some tips to those struggling with madness as I am patient zero. I write this to all as well as myself. Recently when I feel the urge to switch something, before I do I make a checklist of the things that are going working well with my current setup. This has been helping me put into perspective what is actually missing from my slim arsenal of tricks and if a change could possibly be worth it. When I realize that most of what I need is there, the urge then falls into the “not worth the switch camp”. It’s almost like a way to dismantle my need to change something. I also have been physically writing in a calendar and marking two week increments if I do change something. So if I end up switching my setup I allow myself to change it to something else after two weeks. A way to stop my thought process is “man my “x trick” was so much better on “x setup”, looks like in two weeks if I still feel the same about it I can switch.” It is like a delayed gratification action plan that sometimes never materializes because by the time two weeks is up my feelings might change. Ymmv but I thought it would be cool for us to share actual madness fighting strategies.
If the trucks are the difference then you didn't "have" the trick. I've definitely had things be less consistent or nice but I can still do em in a few tries on any day to be counted as something I have.
Is putting on Indy Stage 4's when I'm dialed into Ace AF1's a sound urge in any capacity? Randomly wanting to fuck up my entire set up for no reason.
Expand QuoteIs putting on Indy Stage 4's when I'm dialed into Ace AF1's a sound urge in any capacity? Randomly wanting to fuck up my entire set up for no reason.[close]
Sure. They will feel like an Indy version of the AF1. A touch taller and less squirelly but with a similar divey turn. I enjoy Stage 4's and AF1's
Someone talk me off the ledge...
Normally ride DLX 8.25/14.38. It's been feeling a but small recently, and was toying with some other stuff. At the moment I am riding an 8.5/14.5 Black Label with 159s, and oddly LOVING IT (I am totally shocked by this). The kicks are a tad too steep for me, however. Then I remember Hewitt saying he rode the DLX 8.38/14.5 with 159s. I thought he was insane at the time, but now, now I am curious. I've ridden the 8.38 before, and never really liked it. Nose/tail were too round-ish for me, and tail was a tad too short...but curiosity now has me really wanting to try it with 159s (because I could get mellower kicks, with same WB), but I can't imagine wider trucks is suddenly going to transform my thoughts on the deck.
Expand QuoteSomeone talk me off the ledge...
Normally ride DLX 8.25/14.38. It's been feeling a but small recently, and was toying with some other stuff. At the moment I am riding an 8.5/14.5 Black Label with 159s, and oddly LOVING IT (I am totally shocked by this). The kicks are a tad too steep for me, however. Then I remember Hewitt saying he rode the DLX 8.38/14.5 with 159s. I thought he was insane at the time, but now, now I am curious. I've ridden the 8.38 before, and never really liked it. Nose/tail were too round-ish for me, and tail was a tad too short...but curiosity now has me really wanting to try it with 159s (because I could get mellower kicks, with same WB), but I can't imagine wider trucks is suddenly going to transform my thoughts on the deck.[close]
My advice. Get more Label 8.5s and enjoy what you are currently stoked on a bit longer.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSomeone talk me off the ledge...
Normally ride DLX 8.25/14.38. It's been feeling a but small recently, and was toying with some other stuff. At the moment I am riding an 8.5/14.5 Black Label with 159s, and oddly LOVING IT (I am totally shocked by this). The kicks are a tad too steep for me, however. Then I remember Hewitt saying he rode the DLX 8.38/14.5 with 159s. I thought he was insane at the time, but now, now I am curious. I've ridden the 8.38 before, and never really liked it. Nose/tail were too round-ish for me, and tail was a tad too short...but curiosity now has me really wanting to try it with 159s (because I could get mellower kicks, with same WB), but I can't imagine wider trucks is suddenly going to transform my thoughts on the deck.[close]
My advice. Get more Label 8.5s and enjoy what you are currently stoked on a bit longer.[close]
^ Hah. Yes. Exactly. I should have clarified that this was not an immediate thing I'm planning on. I am currently really happy with the set-up, and have no plans of messing with it for now.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSomeone talk me off the ledge...
Normally ride DLX 8.25/14.38. It's been feeling a but small recently, and was toying with some other stuff. At the moment I am riding an 8.5/14.5 Black Label with 159s, and oddly LOVING IT (I am totally shocked by this). The kicks are a tad too steep for me, however. Then I remember Hewitt saying he rode the DLX 8.38/14.5 with 159s. I thought he was insane at the time, but now, now I am curious. I've ridden the 8.38 before, and never really liked it. Nose/tail were too round-ish for me, and tail was a tad too short...but curiosity now has me really wanting to try it with 159s (because I could get mellower kicks, with same WB), but I can't imagine wider trucks is suddenly going to transform my thoughts on the deck.[close]
My advice. Get more Label 8.5s and enjoy what you are currently stoked on a bit longer.[close]
^ Hah. Yes. Exactly. I should have clarified that this was not an immediate thing I'm planning on. I am currently really happy with the set-up, and have no plans of messing with it for now.[close]
Probably just the same from me, but yeah, I ride a lot of 8.38s (with Indy 149 standards usually) and yes the shape is a more nimble version of the BBS 8.5 (same as the Black Label board) of which I also have a lot, but sometimes I do find the tail too short for some things on the 8.38 DLX board.
I did put 159s on both to test and although the 8.5 does work, I really felt like the 8.38 was just a bit weird with 159s in any capacity. For someone like Peter Hewitt, predominantly vert and big bowl, I can see how 159s would be more stable on the 8.38 with 56 mm wheels, be it Classics, Radials or whatever else he might have on there, as per older posts of his boards, but there haven't been any recent posts of his setups, the last one being an 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on 159 ti trucks and 57 mm Radials.
The more I think about this, the more I realize what an absolute terrible idea it is. If I’m going to fuck around with different size trucks, it ABSOLUTELY has to be couched in a deck I already know and love…doing that with a deck I already have a embattled and acrimonious relationship with, it’s not a good mix.
Whatever happens on any given day, I can grab either board out and still have a good session, or at the very least, a good roll around if I am not feeling it or things just don't quite work out.
Having something I am stoked on is almost better than any other combination of product I could dream up or set up from everything that is available, so finding that mix is the main thing for me now. Not getting any younger, plus I don't have to impress anyone so just being stoked on these boards, I am already ahead out the gate.
That's how I think about it anyway.
Royals are shorter than Aces. What you described sounds like you want an Indy.
All I know is that it’s becoming too exhausting changing stuff all the time.
Ah damn, you made it to 2024 on lows? Props on staying true to what you've always ridden.
Recently got a AH Eagle 8.38 w 14.5" WB. Skate with Thunders. Been mostly on 14.25 wheelbases, but also a 14.38 which I really loved. I actually notice I struggle with 180s or 360s. The true wheelbase is like 17.68", versus 17.43". So not that much difference, but my god is it noticeable. Thinking about swapping to my Indys so its 17,5". What you guys think?
I was supposed to have a Real Deck 8.12, 31.3 and 14 wb board, but the shop where I ordered it was wrong, I received 8.12, 32 and 14.25 wb.. I said to myself "Fuck it madness, I love Real, and normally all the boards work with my indy forged hollows" THIS IS THE CASE!! If it can help people get out of madness... I'm really happy, I did my first session with this deck today, and it was perfect. Glad to finally no longer take into account lengths or wb.How dare you?
When you think about it... It's only small millimeters of differences and when you think about it, it's stupid.. If we know how to do the tricks, we can do them with all boards.. But it's hard to reason when you're in hell.
How dare you?Expand QuoteI was supposed to have a Real Deck 8.12, 31.3 and 14 wb board, but the shop where I ordered it was wrong, I received 8.12, 32 and 14.25 wb.. I said to myself "Fuck it madness, I love Real, and normally all the boards work with my indy forged hollows" THIS IS THE CASE!! If it can help people get out of madness... I'm really happy, I did my first session with this deck today, and it was perfect. Glad to finally no longer take into account lengths or wb.
When you think about it... It's only small millimeters of differences and when you think about it, it's stupid.. If we know how to do the tricks, we can do them with all boards.. But it's hard to reason when you're in hell.[close]
How dare you?Expand QuoteI was supposed to have a Real Deck 8.12, 31.3 and 14 wb board, but the shop where I ordered it was wrong, I received 8.12, 32 and 14.25 wb.. I said to myself "Fuck it madness, I love Real, and normally all the boards work with my indy forged hollows" THIS IS THE CASE!! If it can help people get out of madness... I'm really happy, I did my first session with this deck today, and it was perfect. Glad to finally no longer take into account lengths or wb.
When you think about it... It's only small millimeters of differences and when you think about it, it's stupid.. If we know how to do the tricks, we can do them with all boards.. But it's hard to reason when you're in hell.[close]
2024 was a year of gear experimentation for me, particularly wheels. I never learn. Testing the waters with different product can send you down worm holes and then you have shoe boxes full of shit sitting not being used. Since it's nearly the official end of summer, I'm donating a bunch of gear to a non-profit today to cleanse my soul.
Just had to get that off my chest.
Expand Quote2024 was a year of gear experimentation for me, particularly wheels. I never learn. Testing the waters with different product can send you down worm holes and then you have shoe boxes full of shit sitting not being used. Since it's nearly the official end of summer, I'm donating a bunch of gear to a non-profit today to cleanse my soul.
Just had to get that off my chest.[close]
Care to share which non-profit? Would love to donate gear to a group that will put it to good use.
Been on Venture (hollow forged/stock) for a bit, switched out to thunder TI/forged and suddenly my board didn't feel or sound dead and 103 STFs and spits came to life again, loud chirps and hard feel (the 97a spits took on a second life but too much wheelbite @55mm); anyone notice this with their Ventures? Knowing full well that Thunder forged have a tinny effect, but didn't assume vent forged would be that different - I honestly thought it was the STFs being a shit run or something. Going to try out some different Vent hangers and plate combos to see if it's just these hangers...goddamnit
Anecdotally my Venture cast hollows sound great. They sound louder landing things and I think the bearings sound louder for some reason it's kinda weird.Same with mine too.
Are there people like me who ride Indy forged hollows for a long time, and then switched back to standard ones ?
I skated hollows for over a year, and I had used indy standards in very good condition, and what a horror for me... whether with my current Real 8.12 X 32 and 14.25 Wb, or a sk8mafia 8.125, 31.4 and 14,1 Wb. The sessions were a nightmaire, impossible to pop correctly, no constant mastery of tricks (Especially the 360 flip)
Do you believe that over 30 years old, we can only skate trucks with lighter versions ? With heavy and high trucks, now, I really feel like a child who has difficulty lifting his board.. Or is this an adaptation time for muscle memory or something like that? Thank you for enlightening me and testifying to this ahah
Expand QuoteAre there people like me who ride Indy forged hollows for a long time, and then switched back to standard ones ?
I skated hollows for over a year, and I had used indy standards in very good condition, and what a horror for me... whether with my current Real 8.12 X 32 and 14.25 Wb, or a sk8mafia 8.125, 31.4 and 14,1 Wb. The sessions were a nightmaire, impossible to pop correctly, no constant mastery of tricks (Especially the 360 flip)
Do you believe that over 30 years old, we can only skate trucks with lighter versions ? With heavy and high trucks, now, I really feel like a child who has difficulty lifting his board.. Or is this an adaptation time for muscle memory or something like that? Thank you for enlightening me and testifying to this ahah[close]
Use what works, and don’t muddle in the affairs of what doesn’t. This is the key.
Long ago I forced a switch from Indy to Thunders? Why? Because DLX > NHS for a zillion reasons. I rode them for quite some time. They never quite jived with me. I can’t remember the reason, but I ended up back on my forged Indys again. I suddenly felt “home” again. In retrospect, Thunders were a tad too low for me. And that baseplate issues. And the turn. I’ve tried standard Indys a few times since, too. They are too high. Forged Indys are my happy place. They work for me. Stay with what makes you happy, rather than chasing a contrived sense of change. Moreover, who cares what did/didn’t work for others. Find what works for you.
To continue this conversation, I still have my standard indy (139) aside, I think that despite everything, I will use them when my forged hollows reach their end.. It annoys me to have bought them and not to use them (despite how I said above, the indy forged are PERFECT.) This madness me said , that despite everything if I bought them, that's what I wanted them and that I have to use them.. :P
Do you think that the standard indys have a real difference in terms of pop and weight on deck with a Wb 14 ? If anyone has had this experience, I would like some feedback !
Expand QuoteTo continue this conversation, I still have my standard indy (139) aside, I think that despite everything, I will use them when my forged hollows reach their end.. It annoys me to have bought them and not to use them (despite how I said above, the indy forged are PERFECT.) This madness me said , that despite everything if I bought them, that's what I wanted them and that I have to use them.. :P
Do you think that the standard indys have a real difference in terms of pop and weight on deck with a Wb 14 ? If anyone has had this experience, I would like some feedback ![close]
You know, when your forged hangers are through, you could just use your standard hangers on your forged plates. And keep that forged height you love. Some say it’s a cool feeling truck that way.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTo continue this conversation, I still have my standard indy (139) aside, I think that despite everything, I will use them when my forged hollows reach their end.. It annoys me to have bought them and not to use them (despite how I said above, the indy forged are PERFECT.) This madness me said , that despite everything if I bought them, that's what I wanted them and that I have to use them.. :P
Do you think that the standard indys have a real difference in terms of pop and weight on deck with a Wb 14 ? If anyone has had this experience, I would like some feedback ![close]
You know, when your forged hangers are through, you could just use your standard hangers on your forged plates. And keep that forged height you love. Some say it’s a cool feeling truck that way.[close]
This could be an idea yes.. But I really wonder what the standards give on a deck with 14 wb .. very curious ;D
Going through some more truck madness and I have realised that there isn't a single truck from the big 4 that I don't need to modify somehow.
Thunder - No bottom bushing and I use either a stock washer, bones washer or no washer depending on the season.
Venture - Loose trucks conversion bushings or Indy 78a aftermarket with bones top washer.
Indy - Indy 78a bushings and sometimes a bones top washer usually in summer when I am not fat.
Ace - Bones top washer and/or krux bushings but even then they are either too tight or too loose.
I weigh 150 on average. Not really asking for help just venting, as needing to modify any truck I select adds another layer to the gear madness. Sometimes I think I should just bite the bullet and stay on Independent as I fuck with them the least (usually just swap the bushings and I am good to go) but theres always something that pulls me away to try something else.
Going through some more truck madness and I have realised that there isn't a single truck from the big 4 that I don't need to modify somehow.
Thunder - No bottom bushing and I use either a stock washer, bones washer or no washer depending on the season.
Venture - Loose trucks conversion bushings or Indy 78a aftermarket with bones top washer.
Indy - Indy 78a bushings and sometimes a bones top washer usually in summer when I am not fat.
Ace - Bones top washer and/or krux bushings but even then they are either too tight or too loose.
I weigh 150 on average. Not really asking for help just venting, as needing to modify any truck I select adds another layer to the gear madness. Sometimes I think I should just bite the bullet and stay on Independent as I fuck with them the least (usually just swap the bushings and I am good to go) but theres always something that pulls me away to try something else.
Going through some more truck madness and I have realised that there isn't a single truck from the big 4 that I don't need to modify somehow.
Thunder - No bottom bushing and I use either a stock washer, bones washer or no washer depending on the season.
Venture - Loose trucks conversion bushings or Indy 78a aftermarket with bones top washer.
Indy - Indy 78a bushings and sometimes a bones top washer usually in summer when I am not fat.
Ace - Bones top washer and/or krux bushings but even then they are either too tight or too loose.
I weigh 150 on average. Not really asking for help just venting, as needing to modify any truck I select adds another layer to the gear madness. Sometimes I think I should just bite the bullet and stay on Independent as I fuck with them the least (usually just swap the bushings and I am good to go) but theres always something that pulls me away to try something else.
I always tried to start stock on brands, but always ended up modifying. Out of all the trucks I’ve skated:
Thunders: 94 bushings, Riptide pivot cups (must)
Indy: ace top washer
Ace: ace hard bushings
Thinking about riptides pivot cups on Indy
Expand QuoteGoing through some more truck madness and I have realised that there isn't a single truck from the big 4 that I don't need to modify somehow.
Thunder - No bottom bushing and I use either a stock washer, bones washer or no washer depending on the season.
Venture - Loose trucks conversion bushings or Indy 78a aftermarket with bones top washer.
Indy - Indy 78a bushings and sometimes a bones top washer usually in summer when I am not fat.
Ace - Bones top washer and/or krux bushings but even then they are either too tight or too loose.
I weigh 150 on average. Not really asking for help just venting, as needing to modify any truck I select adds another layer to the gear madness. Sometimes I think I should just bite the bullet and stay on Independent as I fuck with them the least (usually just swap the bushings and I am good to go) but theres always something that pulls me away to try something else.[close]
no bottom bushing?
Hot take but I dislike how Riptides feel. Not as firm of a snap in the turn.
Potentially hot take: Replacing stock bushings with bushings of adequate firmness for one's bodyweight should not be considered madness. It's the equivalent of adjusting your bike saddle to your height.
Expand QuoteHot take but I dislike how Riptides feel. Not as firm of a snap in the turn.[close]
I agree. Also didn't liked the Riptide cups in my Indy 144s. Maybe I swap them over to my rain/cruiser setup.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHot take but I dislike how Riptides feel. Not as firm of a snap in the turn.[close]
I agree. Also didn't liked the Riptide cups in my Indy 144s. Maybe I swap them over to my rain/cruiser setup.[close]
How do you get them out without mangling them?
Oh so they come out so easy, that's a good design. I do have one Riptide cup in a set of Indys. Needed to use a lot of force and pliers to get the original out and once it was out it was toast. And while I embrace the madness, really didn't notice much of a difference, so I just kept the original Indy cup in the other truck. :DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHot take but I dislike how Riptides feel. Not as firm of a snap in the turn.[close]
I agree. Also didn't liked the Riptide cups in my Indy 144s. Maybe I swap them over to my rain/cruiser setup.[close]
How do you get them out without mangling them?[close]
Riptides have a little hole in the bottom, I stick a nail in it and turn them out.
Oh so they come out so easy, that's a good design. I do have one Riptide cup in a set of Indys. Needed to use a lot of force and pliers to get the original out and once it was out it was toast. And while I embrace the madness, really didn't notice much of a difference, so I just kept the original Indy cup in the other truck. :DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHot take but I dislike how Riptides feel. Not as firm of a snap in the turn.[close]
I agree. Also didn't liked the Riptide cups in my Indy 144s. Maybe I swap them over to my rain/cruiser setup.[close]
How do you get them out without mangling them?[close]
Riptides have a little hole in the bottom, I stick a nail in it and turn them out.[close]
My newest Indy's have squeaked once and by saying this I probably cursed myself. In contrast I've never had a pair of Thunders that didn't.
Been experiencing backpack madness. After so many different backpacks shitting out I have a fantastic adidas backpack I got at goodwill. I usually do mini bags so I can still do tricks while I’m cruising with it on but this one seemed perfect to me. Held all my stuff and was super comfy.
That is until I went street skating with it the other day. I hit a pebble riding on the sidewalk and got pitched. Went to roll it out when I hit the ground but the backpack stopped the roll and I just dug into my arm and shoulder turning em into hamburger.
I have a nice over the shoulder (single strap) mini bag (Herschel) but that one flops around while I’m pushing and I can’t keep all my normal stuff in it. Now thankfully I found a mini bag that has two straps and seems small enough to roll over if I need to. My only issue is it seems fairly thin and putting my stuff in it it seems real full and I’m worried it’s gonna rip, it also has no padding on the back so it’s not as comfortable.
Just wanted to throw this in here cause it’s sort of a strange madness but finding a proper backpack has been driving me nuts. I’m very lucky to have a partner that loves skating as much if not more than me so every weekend we do exploratory street missions and with that I feel like a good bag is crucial. Truly hoping this new one works out cause over the last few years I’ve gone through so many backpacks (usually either the zipper breaks or I fall and the cheap ones rip).
I always keep a water bottle, some medical supplies (band aids, alcohol wipes, an ankle and wrist brace and non stick pads), some extra skate parts (a few bearings, extra hardware and axel nuts etc), a tool, wax, an instax camera, a field recorder (I’m a noise nerd) and my spare glasses.
I wish I could just use a normal size backpack (which is totally fine if I’m at a park or camped out at a spot) but want something more mobile. I know this is kind of a silly post but had to express it cause for some reason I’ve become more concerned about my damn backpack than my board (which thankfully feels great and haven’t been experiencing madness with lately after a few adjustments)
Potentially hot take: Replacing stock bushings with bushings of adequate firmness for one's bodyweight should not be considered madness.
I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
how would describe the slappy 100a?Expand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.
I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
Expand QuotePotentially hot take: Replacing stock bushings with bushings of adequate firmness for one's bodyweight should not be considered madness.[close]
This is correct! Anyone (Ben D.) who thinks all 'stock bushings' should not have to be swapped / should work for all rider weights is terribly narrow minded; it's like suggesting that all wheels should be 101a 'just because' that should work everywhere, for everyone.
Expand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
Trucks come with the nut flush.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)[close]
I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.
Nothing wrong with loosening or tightening your trucks duds... and nothing wrong with changing bushings. I just like it when the stock ones work out for me.
nut flush is a funny term. Do you mean the nylock? Top of the nut? Why is this the glory zone? It's like when people brag "finger tight" ok sick so you want less kingpin clearance and a mid sesh accident waiting to happen when ur shit falls off? Reynolds has legendary style and cranks. Nik Stain skates mach 20 and has almost as many threads showing. I saw GT in person once with 2 threads showing per truck. Who fucking cares as long as the skating is good?I have two threads showing on my Thunders. But they were flush when I got them.
how would describe the slappy 100a?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.[close]
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs
Since I started skating again a bit more 'seriously' (as in actually trying to do more than some flat ground once a year) after a very long hiatus in a whole other sport, I feel like a lot of my tricks are back, albeit inconsistently... but I cannot get used to a more 'modern-day' setup. I don't seem to be able to stop ghost-popping on Indy FHs (53-54mm wheels). I think it might be time to sack the whole setup and go narrower, with low trucks and smaller wheels which is what I grew up skating. Full madness mode.
I have two threads showing on my Thunders. But they were flush when I got them.Expand Quotenut flush is a funny term. Do you mean the nylock? Top of the nut? Why is this the glory zone? It's like when people brag "finger tight" ok sick so you want less kingpin clearance and a mid sesh accident waiting to happen when ur shit falls off? Reynolds has legendary style and cranks. Nik Stain skates mach 20 and has almost as many threads showing. I saw GT in person once with 2 threads showing per truck. Who fucking cares as long as the skating is good?[close]
Trucks come with the nut flush.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)[close]
I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.
Nothing wrong with loosening or tightening your trucks duds... and nothing wrong with changing bushings. I just like it when the stock ones work out for me.[close]
Since I started skating again a bit more 'seriously' (as in actually trying to do more than some flat ground once a year) after a very long hiatus in a whole other sport, I feel like a lot of my tricks are back, albeit inconsistently... but I cannot get used to a more 'modern-day' setup. I don't seem to be able to stop ghost-popping on Indy FHs (53-54mm wheels). I think it might be time to sack the whole setup and go narrower, with low trucks and smaller wheels which is what I grew up skating. Full madness mode.
venture 6.1s stillWhat truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?Expand Quotehow would describe the slappy 100a?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.[close]
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs[close]
venture 6.1s stillExpand QuoteWhat truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?Expand Quotehow would describe the slappy 100a?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.[close]
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs[close][close]
had to shave down the doh dohs to make them work
but if the slappys are shorter as you say, ill buy
kinda averse to yellow bushingsExpand Quoteventure 6.1s stillExpand QuoteWhat truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?Expand Quotehow would describe the slappy 100a?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.[close]
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs[close][close]
had to shave down the doh dohs to make them work
but if the slappys are shorter as you say, ill buy[close]
I can't recall the doh doh height tbh (I ditched them when the bottom split - also fu to doh doh/shortys CS for not responding to a polite email about it). The TOPS are lower tho, for sure.
So few 96a+ options out there. Did you ever try the yellow indy 96a? They're pretty damn hard...plus since they are aftermarket, the bottoms are shorter.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)[close]
I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)[close]
I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.[close]
Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)[close]
I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.[close]
Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.
@Firebert tips on those crook pop overs? crooked grinds are my most consistent grind outside of 50-50s and i can pop out from ledges and rails very easily but only back to the same side i got on from. i'd love to learn these since i feel like they could help with fs nosegrind pop outs in the middle of the ledge, that's a bucket list trick but i feel like a crooked grind should be easier to learn, for me at least.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.[close]
But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)[close]
I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.[close]
Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.[close]
From someone at DLX it literally was a dude with a pneumatic driver just brapping that shit on. They don't make THAT many trucks to have a fully automated assembly line. If a shop has many trucks from a brand you'll often see differing tightness in DLX trucks but NHS stuff seems to come basically nylock flush.
Oh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.
Expand QuoteOh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.[close]
I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.[close]
I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.[close]
Prasie Gall, you caught that. Could have been a catastrophe.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.[close]
I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.[close]
Prasie Gall, you caught that. Could have been a catastrophe.[close]
Ha yeah, it is a funny one.
Not worried any which way, but I do recall people getting quite upset with others saying which way the bushings should sit.
I forgot to check, but when I got a set of the Stage 4 Indy, which has the printed logo on it, I should have seen which way the bottom bushing was sitting, cause they had to get the logo the right way up.
The conical shaped bushings always have the lined part on the bigger edge, which sits facing each other / both towards the hanger, so that is how I align my bushings, given I am almost always on Conical rather than Cylinder. I guess that saves me on this one for now?
Good times!
:)
Help. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s
And then also buy x99’s for park skating.
101a formula four, and 103a STF? (Or SPF?)Expand QuoteHelp. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s
And then also buy x99’s for park skating.[close]
Don't no need for the 93s if you are digging the 97s...but if you have the itch...those new nanorats are a betting looking/feeling/skating 97a....
As for park...101/103a all the way.
101a formula four, and 103a STF? (Or SPF?)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHelp. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s
And then also buy x99’s for park skating.[close]
Don't no need for the 93s if you are digging the 97s...but if you have the itch...those new nanorats are a betting looking/feeling/skating 97a....
As for park...101/103a all the way.[close]
Buying way too much shit of Depop lately ... most recent given the cooler weather ...We know it won't happen but still I wish you all the strength to be able to do it.
Bianca Chandon sweatshirt
Noah Long sleeve tee
Both $20 something
2 Pair of Nike All Court CK 1 from depop/1 from ebay
And from SPOT
The 20 year GT blazer lows
I'm gonna buy one more deck and then chill for a while ... I hope
Expand Quote101a formula four, and 103a STF? (Or SPF?)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHelp. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s
And then also buy x99’s for park skating.[close]
Don't no need for the 93s if you are digging the 97s...but if you have the itch...those new nanorats are a betting looking/feeling/skating 97a....
As for park...101/103a all the way.[close][close]
That depends on you and the park?
SPF are dangerously glassy. 101a spits are probably what you need, I tend to carve fast (for fun) when not 'skating' in bowls so I need something like OJ elites, something grippy I can trust.
We know it won't happen but still I wish you all the strength to be able to do it.Expand QuoteBuying way too much shit of Depop lately ... most recent given the cooler weather ...
Bianca Chandon sweatshirt
Noah Long sleeve tee
Both $20 something
2 Pair of Nike All Court CK 1 from depop/1 from ebay
And from SPOT
The 20 year GT blazer lows
I'm gonna buy one more deck and then chill for a while ... I hope[close]
V8’s?
yeah, i just found running the tighter wheelbase they set up like an indy but popped like a thunder. That said, while you can loosen them alot, it's just lean, they'll never turn like an Indy. I can see how an indy is maybe easier to scoop vs. a thunder too, thunder's pop super flat which on alot of tricks makes sense though.
My thunder/Indy back and forth madness is so bad it actually makes me feel like a crazy person sometimes.
Couple months on one, then lose my mind and back to the other for a couple months.
Cycle goes like this. Start on indys, having a good time, loving the turn and 360 flips. But then my pop starts to feel like it's lacking, I start to mess with different height/weight indys but ultimately end up putting my thunders back on.
On thunders, loving the snappy pop, pinch, and pop shuvits seem to work way better. Ollies everywhere seem better and more controlled. But then I start to feel like I cant get the turn I want, 360 flips seems to take more effort, and nose/tail slides feel like shit. I adjust my technique for slides as much as I can and am able to manage them a bit better, but inevitably I end back up on indys. And my fs nose slides particularly are immediately improved.
The cycle starts over again.
Thinking I might give Indy mids a shot, but I feel like this might just be a futile attempt at curing my discontent/insanity.
Expand QuoteMy thunder/Indy back and forth madness is so bad it actually makes me feel like a crazy person sometimes.
Couple months on one, then lose my mind and back to the other for a couple months.
Cycle goes like this. Start on indys, having a good time, loving the turn and 360 flips. But then my pop starts to feel like it's lacking, I start to mess with different height/weight indys but ultimately end up putting my thunders back on.
On thunders, loving the snappy pop, pinch, and pop shuvits seem to work way better. Ollies everywhere seem better and more controlled. But then I start to feel like I cant get the turn I want, 360 flips seems to take more effort, and nose/tail slides feel like shit. I adjust my technique for slides as much as I can and am able to manage them a bit better, but inevitably I end back up on indys. And my fs nose slides particularly are immediately improved.
The cycle starts over again.
Thinking I might give Indy mids a shot, but I feel like this might just be a futile attempt at curing my discontent/insanity.[close]
I was there and went with Indy's honestly because my pop is a tad higher and Thunder bushing issues got annoying. With blue bushings I have all the stability I need.
Now it's between 5.8 and Indy's. I can swap between pretty quick and the differences are minor but the grind of Ventures at chunky spots can be a total bummer as is the manual point.
At the same time I'm fine with either and not stressing too much. In the last year I've had Lurpiv, Indy, Thunder, and Venture all types and I'm back where I started. I think finding a truck you like or deck you like and building around it is the way to go.
In your opinion and by your experience , what are the perfect trucks brand for flatground ? :D
Hello there ! I want to start a debate and also testimonials from several people out of curiosity and because I just asked myself the question..
In your opinion and by your experience , what are the perfect trucks brand for flatground ? :D
........yeaHear me out….
I put my thunders on again.
I think I just need to submit to this and accept I'm going to switch my trucks a few times a year despite wanting to stick to one brand.
Maybe those new t2's will solve this, but that sounds like wishful thinking haha.
Never liked thunders with risers tbh so if theyre higher than 52mm I doubt I'll love them.
Hello there ! I want to start a debate and also testimonials from several people out of curiosity and because I just asked myself the question..
In your opinion and by your experience , what are the perfect trucks brand for flatground ? :D
Hear me out….Expand Quote........yea
I put my thunders on again.
I think I just need to submit to this and accept I'm going to switch my trucks a few times a year despite wanting to stick to one brand.
Maybe those new t2's will solve this, but that sounds like wishful thinking haha.
Never liked thunders with risers tbh so if theyre higher than 52mm I doubt I'll love them.[close]
I have one board for street exploration, and one for park skating.
The street exploration board has:
-Indy’s
The park board has:
-Thunders
One was put together with spare parts, and they both get skated pretty often switching from park to street.
So just have two boards put together that are pretty similar and just switch out when you feel like it?
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When you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it? Switched from ace to indy and its been two weeks and I don't know if I'm going to stay with it
When you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it? Switched from ace to indy and its been two weeks and I don't know if I'm going to stay with itI try for one session and decide I hate gear. Happened with wheels and decks.
When you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it?
If I am not mostly at par in 2 sessions it's binned. If I am mostly at par but seeing some issues, I give it 5-6 sessions in which I make a conscious effort to adapt to the issue. This means if a flip trick feels bad I set my ego aside and spend a while skating flat trying different timing and foot positions to see if it's a quick fix. If its something like a deck and 8-9/10 things work on it, I just won't but it again.
This should be framed.Expand QuoteIf I am not mostly at par in 2 sessions it's binned. If I am mostly at par but seeing some issues, I give it 5-6 sessions in which I make a conscious effort to adapt to the issue. This means if a flip trick feels bad I set my ego aside and spend a while skating flat trying different timing and foot positions to see if it's a quick fix. If its something like a deck and 8-9/10 things work on it, I just won't but it again.[close]
2 sessions to get an inkling if it's me or the gear, 3rd session confirms it. Especially if the rest of the gear hasn't changed.
Expand QuoteWhen you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it?[close]
There is no single, correct, answer to this question. That said, there is a line between (a) "Product X is just not for me," and (b) taking sufficient time to "adjust" to something new. Where is that line? It depends on the person, and also how much experience they have trying different stuff out. Moreover, if you look at this thread, you will see some people have spent years switching back and forth between the same two truck brands, and still don't have a solid answer. One of the things I try to think about when trying something new is "Does this feel different, or does it feel bad?" Different, is something I might be able to work with. Bad, is something I should get rid of, and quickly.
Trucks are something you have to take on their own terms. If you spend a lot time trying to get a Thunder to turn like an Indy, then you should probably just be riding Indys. Sure, tweak trucks to see what variation you can get within the scope of their own world (and see if you like that world), but don't try to make Ace-world into Indy-world, etc.
And last, I always refer to this as "The Ben DeGros Rule." What was the one, big lesson of Ben's six years of equipment madness on youtube? To me, the big take-a-way was that he could actually do all of his tricks on whatever he was trying, but on some stuff things just felt better. To that end, I would encourage everyone to just ride the equipment that feels the best under their feet, and makes them happy when they look at it.
I tough it out usually for almost the length of the board…IMO there’s always some benefits, even if you don’t like them. Regardless….i try to sell for half or save and set up with older wheels, deck as a complete.
When you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it? Switched from ace to indy and its been two weeks and I don't know if I'm going to stay with it
When you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it? Switched from ace to indy and its been two weeks and I don't know if I'm going to stay with it
Sometimes you like different things than at other times. A quiver is it.
How the F can I kinda lose my ollie with new, extra gritty grip? I would've thought it'd be the other way around. Front foot not being able to move as much as it should?Probably that. Your front is getting more drag so there’s less power to level the board out since the power is getting drained into the grip.
Probably that. Your front is getting more drag so there’s less power to level the board out since the power is getting drained into the grip.Expand QuoteHow the F can I kinda lose my ollie with new, extra gritty grip? I would've thought it'd be the other way around. Front foot not being able to move as much as it should?[close]
Get stronger, and more power to yah.
Power.
I’m having some wheel madness. Maybe you can help…I’m looking for a more full sized wheel (Conical, Conical full, etc) but it needs to be soft but ride better than the Dragons I have. They feel slow to me on the asphalt by the house, and it isn’t even super crusty.I can personally recommend the old formula 97A Spitfire F4, and people here say the new formula is even better.
I’m having some wheel madness. Maybe you can help…I’m looking for a more full sized wheel (Conical, Conical full, etc) but it needs to be soft but ride better than the Dragons I have. They feel slow to me on the asphalt by the house, and it isn’t even super crusty.93 radials is the answer.
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?Had pretty much the same experience. Answer is Venture.
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
I don't think I can make that switch. I skated ventures almost exclusively for close to 15 years been on Aces the last 3 and love the turn and feeling. If Ventures were more surfy.. sure..Had pretty much the same experience. Answer is Venture.Expand QuoteI've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?[close]
Use the Ace Low bushings in Ventures.
If your pop feels low you have to increase your pop angle and if you stick with the same truck then you need substantially bigger wheels (56 vs 52 so you can get 2mm extra height), risers, short tail, or a steep deck. Longer and/or mellower kicks only make it worse. I think there's a reason why massive wheels on Ace is really common.
You could try good old Indy standards and not change any of that and likely see a positive change.
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
Same here. Back to Aces and everything even if with Ventures I have better pop the feeling of the truck is just not for me.I don't think I can make that switch. I skated ventures almost exclusively for close to 15 years been on Aces the last 3 and love the turn and feeling. If Ventures were more surfy.. sure..Expand QuoteHad pretty much the same experience. Answer is Venture.Expand QuoteI've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?[close][close]
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?Venture do help with pop but I get so much more tired a lot faster when I skate venture. I recently went back to skating forged hollow 149 on a mellow 8.475 bbs with 53mm wheels and everything pops much easier and higher with way less effort.
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
Venture do help with pop but I get so much more tired a lot faster when I skate venture. I recently went back to skating forged hollow 149 on a mellow 8.475 bbs with 53mm wheels and everything pops much easier and higher with way less effort.Expand QuoteI've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?[close]
Thanks for all of the advice. I don’t think I can switch truck brands. My love of Aces runs deep. Gonna start with a longer wheelbase and see where that takes me.
Forged titaniums are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.
I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged titaniums.
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Forged titaniums are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.
I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged titaniums.[close]
Fixed that for you. ;D
(Goes for both hollows and titaniums, of course)
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Forged titaniums are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.
I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged titaniums.[close]
Fixed that for you. ;D
(Goes for both hollows and titaniums, of course)[close]
I rode Ti for awhile, but don’t think the cost-to-weight ratio between Ti and hollows is proportionate, at least for me.
Currently skate indy standards 139 with an 8.1, but I have a lot of trouble with the height (and im a Little Guy ahah) Before these trucks, I skated the 139 forged hollows for two years, and they were perfect, but, they are dead. I would like to go back to lower ones .. Doing a lot of flatground and no big spots, and being small this would be good for me I think .. I would like to buy the forged hollows again but, they are expensive and I managed to find thunder 147 and ventures lows 5.25 with a very low price .. I hesitate between the 2 ! What would you honestly advise me, and what is the différence between the two ? ;D
I don't see why you wouldn't get what was working before- 139 forged hollows.
Indy to venture Lo is crazy talk…. Unless you’re a multiple set up guy….
Hardware nylon locking nuts. What are the advantages/disadvantages of low profile nuts like Shorty's?
Expand QuoteHardware nylon locking nuts. What are the advantages/disadvantages of low profile nuts like Shorty's?[close]
The normal nuts and low profile nuts, also called jam nuts when I looked them up and bought a box from a hardware wholesaler are pretty much the same overall apart from the height.
When I was using shorter bolts with very thin rubber risers, I could fit everything in nicely with the low profile nuts, whereas I couldn't fit it all in on 7/8" bolts with the regular nuts.
The whole idea of this back in the day was going from long bolts with taller nuts, down to shorter bolts with lower nuts to minimise any grab issues and a lot of people preferred this as they could set up and take apart boards way more quickly too.
Preferences in board setups aside, some people find the low profile nuts just a pain as their skate tool might often slip on them, but a decent or slim skate tool that fits squarely on to the nuts is fine, especially / even with trucks like Venture or Venture low which are known to never really get a thicker tool to fit cleanly onto the nuts beside the pivot housing.
Both the normal and jam / low profile nuts are available from wholesalers or hardware specialists too, so often just replacing the nuts as needed, rather than the whole set of nuts and bolts is a game changer for me, in the skate shop, reason being the nyloc material starts to have issues after a few changes, so then they end up not holding the trucks on firmly, so changing to fresh nuts makes all the difference.
Without nyloc, nuts will not stay tight, no matter what you do, so having nyloc that works and holds is essential to the good working order of a normal skateboard.
From a madness perspective, having nuts that loosen off is very frustrating, so there are some people I know who will change out their nuts every second board or so, just to ensure they have nice tight hardware.
Seeing people who have deck bolts literally fall out of their setups through not tightening down their nuts is mind blowing to me, along with those who have truck holes that have ovalled out so much that their setups look like they can never run straight either, along with the trucks not lasting half as long or the decks having very wide gouges in them from the trucks moving side to side every time they try something.
General rule - if the nut can be finger tightened all the way on, it is time to replace them. That goes for kingpin, axle and deck bolt nuts, all of which can be bought separately too.
Hardware nylon locking nuts. What are the advantages/disadvantages of low profile nuts like Shorty's?
Truck/ WB madness update.
After much deliberation, video review viewings, truck thread browsing I set up some royal IKPs
My guy at Crail sent me a set a while ago and I’ve been curious but never pulled the trigger. I guess it’s PTSD from the royals of my adolescence.
I was surprised at how surfy these trucks are.
Haven’t touched them with a tool and probably wont.
Happy to say my tricks are popping again and even reeled in a grail trick on the first session.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDGF3zCJOpK/?igsh=MTN2aTl6bHdjYXEyeQ==
I do have a few boards with 14.43 WB to test out with the aces on the way.
Drop of superglue on the thread, never have to buy multiple sets of bolts ever again.
Snaps off fine when time to unmount, use proper tools not ‘sK8’ crap
(honestly…. must be fucking kidding me, relying on nylock that’ll become ineffectual in at most a couple boards time? buying over and over, buying in bulk? nonsense)
Truck/ WB madness update.
After much deliberation, video review viewings, truck thread browsing I set up some royal IKPs
My guy at Crail sent me a set a while ago and I’ve been curious but never pulled the trigger. I guess it’s PTSD from the royals of my adolescence.
I was surprised at how surfy these trucks are.
Haven’t touched them with a tool and probably wont.
Happy to say my tricks are popping again and even reeled in a grail trick on the first session.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDGF3zCJOpK/?igsh=MTN2aTl6bHdjYXEyeQ==
I do have a few boards with 14.43 WB to test out with the aces on the way.
went in to try some sneakers today
and it turns out i have been wearing the wrong size
the relief on my feet by going up a size was dizzying
wish me luck on the hunt for size 14 anythings
unfortunately, 3(?) core shops sell shoes in nycExpand Quotewent in to try some sneakers today
and it turns out i have been wearing the wrong size
the relief on my feet by going up a size was dizzying
wish me luck on the hunt for size 14 anythings[close]
Are there many around?
I recall a while back, one guy who just couldn't fit 13s could barely find anything in 14 besides some very basic gym type looking shoes and very few shops carried anything over 13 at all.
Even between some brands, some run bigger so a 13 in one brand might fit better than a 14 in another, but trying on almost everything in any given shop just to find one that works could be quite a pain.
Curious about that, does using medium bones bushings on forged hollows indy change the height of the truck ?
Curious about that, does using medium bones bushings on forged hollows indy change the height of the truck ?
Expand QuoteCurious about that, does using medium bones bushings on forged hollows indy change the height of the truck ?[close]
Keep your bottom washer on, or put a flat washer at the bottom, and it won’t change the geometry.
While we are talking Indy bushings what's the best slightly harder than normal bushings for Indy
Expand QuoteWhile we are talking Indy bushings what's the best slightly harder than normal bushings for Indy[close]
The 92a blue barrel aftermarket Indy ones. They are “loose” for about 30 min, then firm up nicely. Just make sure you don’t get the ones for Stage 4, they are not same size as Stage 11 ones.
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The 92a blue barrel aftermarket Indy ones. They are “loose” for about 30 min, then firm up nicely. Just make sure you don’t get the ones for Stage 4, they are not same size as Stage 11 ones.[close]
Any chance you got the dimensions of the Stage 4 vs 11 bushings?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhile we are talking Indy bushings what's the best slightly harder than normal bushings for Indy[close]
The 92a blue barrel aftermarket Indy ones. They are “loose” for about 30 min, then firm up nicely. Just make sure you don’t get the ones for Stage 4, they are not same size as Stage 11 ones.[close]
Any chance you got the dimensions of the Stage 4 vs 11 bushings?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhile we are talking Indy bushings what's the best slightly harder than normal bushings for Indy[close]
The 92a blue barrel aftermarket Indy ones. They are “loose” for about 30 min, then firm up nicely. Just make sure you don’t get the ones for Stage 4, they are not same size as Stage 11 ones.[close]
Any chance you got the dimensions of the Stage 4 vs 11 bushings?[close]
Pretty sure @Mbrimson88 posted that in the Indy thread.
While we are talking Indy bushings what's the best slightly harder than normal bushings for Indy
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The shape of the bushing is also something to note.
Conical is almost a half step up, but Cylinder is a whole step up, if that makes sense.
Running a Conical shaped bottom bushing makes things a little more mushy feeling than the comparable firmness of a Cylinder bottom bushing, for the same duro, so you could say something like this:
90 Cylinder = 90
92 Conical = 91
92 Cylinder = 92
94 Conical = 93
94 Cylinder = 94
That is the way I often explain things to people and I do actually like the Conical bushings a bit more than Cylinder for the black ones to have a slightly firmer feeling but not quite as firm as the black Cylinders, which are almost too firm.
From new they will feel different to broken in though, so the blue ones often feel very squishy but firm up a lot. The black ones might feel stiff and hard, but they do soften up a lot, as do the yellow ones, but for some people it takes a long time for that to happen.
I also shave off / sand off a bit of the black ones some times just to get them feeling a little more forgiving, but overall they still feel more firm than the blue ones, even when fully broken in.
* I generally run the 92 Conicals on my own setups, but have some of each for testing / trying, as well as a lot of used ones from others when they swap out bushings.
* I generally run the 92 Conicals on my own setups, but have some of each for testing / trying, as well as a lot of used ones from others when they swap out bushings.
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Are the Indy conical bushings higher than regular, stock barrels? I had a set back when riding Indys and using both washers, had hard time getting the kingpin nut on. Needless to say, trucks felt way too tight. Did not bother to experiment further, went back to barrels.
The shape of the bushing is also something to note.
Conical is almost a half step up, but Cylinder is a whole step up, if that makes sense.
Running a Conical shaped bottom bushing makes things a little more mushy feeling than the comparable firmness of a Cylinder bottom bushing, for the same duro, so you could say something like this:
90 Cylinder = 90
92 Conical = 91
92 Cylinder = 92
94 Conical = 93
94 Cylinder = 94
The Indy blue aftermarkets are probably the best bushings if you're looking for something a bit firmer than the stock ones. I'm 142lbs/64kg and they're perfect for me, running 'em flush and pretty much not having to crank them down after taking them into use.
What would happen if you put a 14.5 bottom and 8.5 top in a stage 11? My guess is that it would make it more unstable and turn sharper. I am quite confused, people use the word truck geometry all the time but just mean wheel base, what is the true nature of what happens when you change the ratios?
Getting dumped on with snow this week. So of course I am thinking too much about skateboards.
I keep thinking about getting a 9.25 Heated Wheel shaped board and Thunder 151s.
I have never skated 8.75 trucks. This is a terrible idea and I don't need any more.skateboards.
agreedExpand QuoteGetting dumped on with snow this week. So of course I am thinking too much about skateboards.
I keep thinking about getting a 9.25 Heated Wheel shaped board and Thunder 151s.
I have never skated 8.75 trucks. This is a terrible idea and I don't need any more.skateboards.[close]
I’ve got a 8.75/14.5 Black Label with 159s as my “big board”…and it’s fucking AWESOME in stability / fun / solid department. Would absolutely recommend everyone have a set-up with 8.75 trucks. (I’m not here to “help.” I am here to “enable.”)
agreedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGetting dumped on with snow this week. So of course I am thinking too much about skateboards.
I keep thinking about getting a 9.25 Heated Wheel shaped board and Thunder 151s.
I have never skated 8.75 trucks. This is a terrible idea and I don't need any more.skateboards.[close]
I’ve got a 8.75/14.5 Black Label with 159s as my “big board”…and it’s fucking AWESOME in stability / fun / solid department. Would absolutely recommend everyone have a set-up with 8.75 trucks. (I’m not here to “help.” I am here to “enable.”)[close]
8.75 axles are the best
Expand QuoteagreedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGetting dumped on with snow this week. So of course I am thinking too much about skateboards.
I keep thinking about getting a 9.25 Heated Wheel shaped board and Thunder 151s.
I have never skated 8.75 trucks. This is a terrible idea and I don't need any more.skateboards.[close]
I’ve got a 8.75/14.5 Black Label with 159s as my “big board”…and it’s fucking AWESOME in stability / fun / solid department. Would absolutely recommend everyone have a set-up with 8.75 trucks. (I’m not here to “help.” I am here to “enable.”)[close]
8.75 axles are the best[close]
Was thinking 9.1 krooked egg on 8.75 ace lows. Is that dumb? Should I get ace highs? I don’t care about wheel bite. It’s part of the fun.
Expand QuoteagreedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGetting dumped on with snow this week. So of course I am thinking too much about skateboards.
I keep thinking about getting a 9.25 Heated Wheel shaped board and Thunder 151s.
I have never skated 8.75 trucks. This is a terrible idea and I don't need any more.skateboards.[close]
I’ve got a 8.75/14.5 Black Label with 159s as my “big board”…and it’s fucking AWESOME in stability / fun / solid department. Would absolutely recommend everyone have a set-up with 8.75 trucks. (I’m not here to “help.” I am here to “enable.”)[close]
8.75 axles are the best[close]
Was thinking 9.1 krooked egg on 8.75 ace lows. Is that dumb? Should I get ace highs? I don’t care about wheel bite. It’s part of the fun.
Expand QuoteGetting dumped on with snow this week. So of course I am thinking too much about skateboards.
I keep thinking about getting a 9.25 Heated Wheel shaped board and Thunder 151s.
I have never skated 8.75 trucks. This is a terrible idea and I don't need any more.skateboards.[close]
I’ve got a 8.75/14.5 Black Label with 159s as my “big board”…and it’s fucking AWESOME in stability / fun / solid department. Would absolutely recommend everyone have a set-up with 8.75 trucks. (I’m not here to “help.” I am here to “enable.”)
New madness victim
Last board got stolen. Had to get a new one with a stupid fucking graphic that i hate cause it was one of like 4 boards in the shop [boards lowkey skating great im just a fashionista]
No trucks in the shop either so the guy gave me his, they skate cool and im appreciative but they came off ollieing a crack and I fucked up my hand hip and knee
Now the madness has taken over, im checking my board every 10 mins. This is the beginning of my skate hoarder arc.
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Last board got stolen. Had to get a new one with a stupid fucking graphic that i hate cause it was one of like 4 boards in the shop [boards lowkey skating great im just a fashionista]
No trucks in the shop either so the guy gave me his, they skate cool and im appreciative but they came off ollieing a crack and I fucked up my hand hip and knee
Now the madness has taken over, im checking my board every 10 mins. This is the beginning of my skate hoarder arc.[close]
4 boards and no trucks? What kind of shop is this?
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Last board got stolen. Had to get a new one with a stupid fucking graphic that i hate cause it was one of like 4 boards in the shop [boards lowkey skating great im just a fashionista]
No trucks in the shop either so the guy gave me his, they skate cool and im appreciative but they came off ollieing a crack and I fucked up my hand hip and knee
Now the madness has taken over, im checking my board every 10 mins. This is the beginning of my skate hoarder arc.[close]
4 boards and no trucks? What kind of shop is this?[close]
Back to the Future hoverboard shop maybe?
Jokes aside, some places don't have a lot of stock, while others just plain can't get their orders right, to get stock before they run out.
I guess we just need a little more information here.
Actually I was wondering how they "came off" given things are usually bolted down, but again I feel like I need the whole story.
I've been in OG classics and Radials already for a while. Cracks in Stalin are getting worse and I wonder if a wider contact area would help IE conical full.
Yup the conical shapes all have a very pointy edge where the sidewall, which is more angular, transitions to the conical part and they are notorious for train-tracking on cracks until that wears down.
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Re wheel shapes and various issues:
I find that anything with a sharper edge is more likely to catch on anything, so I will regularly take the grinder to wheels just to take that side wall closest to the riding surface down a little more, effectively reshaping any wheel, especially Conical Full into an ideal mash up of a Classic Full rounding off the edge only, not the overall width or the riding surface, although I can do either or both of those too.
This has allowed almost any original size or shape wheel to still skate like I am used to - that being a wider / fat Classic or slightly rounder Radial shape, which seems to get on and off coping and everything else more easily.
Granted it is not for everyone, so doing a little practice on some old wheels is good to get the technique right, but just taking a little time and getting used to it, I can recycle most wheels from what might have been old and crusty into seemingly newish and useable wheels again.
Of course most of these are on the smaller side, so for people who prefer bigger wheels, this might not be ideal, but at least doing this, I know there are people out there who do enjoy smaller and wider wheels, so this works well for that.
Before and after shots of the same set of 58 mm Conical Full wheels from the other day, now around 50 mm, down to Radial Full shape, so not quite my Classic Full shape, but still a little more rounded than they were before:
(https://i.ibb.co/qMdj653d/Spitfire-Conical-Full-makeover-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WW65Ct46)
(https://i.ibb.co/d8YmNgX/Spitfire-Conical-Full-makeover-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1FWzC6B)
I'm having truck issues. I'm 6', 250lbs and ride something like an 8.63 or 8.75" or a shaped board. Currently an Anti Hero Grosso deck. Been on Thunder 8.75's with Bones hard bushings for a while and they're fine but I've wanted something a little turnier and maybe a hair taller. Wheel bit is a problem with my weight. I tried Lurpivs and they didn't do it for me so I went back to Thunders. I actually liked the turn of the Lurpivs but the wheel bite was really bad and it seems they just don't work well for someone my size. I skated all weekend on the Thunders and they just don't feel awesome. I haven't ridden Indys in a long time but can get a new pair of hollow standards for $35. Do I try them? Do I maybe try different bushings in my Thunders? Do I just forget about the madness and just ride my Thunders like I have been for the last year?
I'm having truck issues. I'm 6', 250lbs and ride something like an 8.63 or 8.75" or a shaped board. Currently an Anti Hero Grosso deck. Been on Thunder 8.75's with Bones hard bushings for a while and they're fine but I've wanted something a little turnier and maybe a hair taller. Wheel bit is a problem with my weight. I tried Lurpivs and they didn't do it for me so I went back to Thunders. I actually liked the turn of the Lurpivs but the wheel bite was really bad and it seems they just don't work well for someone my size. I skated all weekend on the Thunders and they just don't feel awesome. I haven't ridden Indys in a long time but can get a new pair of hollow standards for $35. Do I try them? Do I maybe try different bushings in my Thunders? Do I just forget about the madness and just ride my Thunders like I have been for the last year?
Been on AF1 55s primarily for the last few years but have been thinking of switching to indy stage 11s. Love how loose/surfy aces are but I've kind of lost all my tricks and am wondering if indys might provide a little more stability for manuals etc. Is indy 149 standard heavier than AF1 55? Definitely don't want anything hollow, just feels weird. Probably just frying out on my setup cause I haven't been skating well.
Anyone skated one of those absurdly long wheelbase palace 8.3 boards? Its like 14.8 or something with tiny kicks.
Been on April 8.5 (14.4, fairly flat and decently long kicks) with cast plate ventures for over a year now. Great for the most part but lil bit wide and long feeling for a few things, mostly flatground.
Have tried it with v8 plates but it makes the wheelbase a bit short and kicks a lil anemic. Just nose recessed is fine, but still, nose feels a lil long.
Getting a bit bored of it and wanted to throw a wrench in it all. Wondering if a 14.8 wheelbase and tiny kicks with v8s recssed both sides would weirdly feel good or if its insane lol
Expand QuoteAnyone skated one of those absurdly long wheelbase palace 8.3 boards? Its like 14.8 or something with tiny kicks.
Been on April 8.5 (14.4, fairly flat and decently long kicks) with cast plate ventures for over a year now. Great for the most part but lil bit wide and long feeling for a few things, mostly flatground.
Have tried it with v8 plates but it makes the wheelbase a bit short and kicks a lil anemic. Just nose recessed is fine, but still, nose feels a lil long.
Getting a bit bored of it and wanted to throw a wrench in it all. Wondering if a 14.8 wheelbase and tiny kicks with v8s recssed both sides would weirdly feel good or if its insane lol[close]
i wanted to skate one of those, just because it seemed so dumb that maybe i’d like it. i’ve had a good time on some long wb boards, and i have generally liked tiny kicks.
Expand QuoteBeen on AF1 55s primarily for the last few years but have been thinking of switching to indy stage 11s. Love how loose/surfy aces are but I've kind of lost all my tricks and am wondering if indys might provide a little more stability for manuals etc. Is indy 149 standard heavier than AF1 55? Definitely don't want anything hollow, just feels weird. Probably just frying out on my setup cause I haven't been skating well.[close]
didn’t you used to skate 5.8s? i thought you were a venture guy, before the bobby wave.
anyways, i can’t skate for shit on af1s: they turn great, but tricks wise? no. my ace setup luck is just bad, caveat being that i’ve had some really good days on short wb boards with huge wheels, and ace. or classic 55s.
beach chicken is correct, imo, bushings don’t change the pop. i could never with indy 149s, but the standard cast were the best version, pop with indy cast is good to great, for most folks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone skated one of those absurdly long wheelbase palace 8.3 boards? Its like 14.8 or something with tiny kicks.
Been on April 8.5 (14.4, fairly flat and decently long kicks) with cast plate ventures for over a year now. Great for the most part but lil bit wide and long feeling for a few things, mostly flatground.
Have tried it with v8 plates but it makes the wheelbase a bit short and kicks a lil anemic. Just nose recessed is fine, but still, nose feels a lil long.
Getting a bit bored of it and wanted to throw a wrench in it all. Wondering if a 14.8 wheelbase and tiny kicks with v8s recssed both sides would weirdly feel good or if its insane lol[close]
i wanted to skate one of those, just because it seemed so dumb that maybe i’d like it. i’ve had a good time on some long wb boards, and i have generally liked tiny kicks.[close]
Yeah, Im thinking it'll either be randomly quite good, or so horrendous that it makes me commit another year to what I've been on.
I've hovered around 14.25-14.5 on venture mostly, sometimes indy, and have dabbled with ace thunder lurpiv over the past couple years too. Generally like having a good amount of nose and tail but thats also because Im on normal venture most of the time.
Not into tiny kicks on ventures, but maybe with the v8 positioning, could work out. Or not
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone skated one of those absurdly long wheelbase palace 8.3 boards? Its like 14.8 or something with tiny kicks.
Been on April 8.5 (14.4, fairly flat and decently long kicks) with cast plate ventures for over a year now. Great for the most part but lil bit wide and long feeling for a few things, mostly flatground.
Have tried it with v8 plates but it makes the wheelbase a bit short and kicks a lil anemic. Just nose recessed is fine, but still, nose feels a lil long.
Getting a bit bored of it and wanted to throw a wrench in it all. Wondering if a 14.8 wheelbase and tiny kicks with v8s recssed both sides would weirdly feel good or if its insane lol[close]
i wanted to skate one of those, just because it seemed so dumb that maybe i’d like it. i’ve had a good time on some long wb boards, and i have generally liked tiny kicks.[close]
Yeah, Im thinking it'll either be randomly quite good, or so horrendous that it makes me commit another year to what I've been on.
I've hovered around 14.25-14.5 on venture mostly, sometimes indy, and have dabbled with ace thunder lurpiv over the past couple years too. Generally like having a good amount of nose and tail but thats also because Im on normal venture most of the time.
Not into tiny kicks on ventures, but maybe with the v8 positioning, could work out. Or not[close]
part of why i liked tiny kicks, was because that’s how things used to be, a billion years ago. but that was also on low trucks. short tails, high trucks, and wheels of a decent size, get funny, real quick.
i must add that what i like is almost totally about flatground. many folks that i see enjoying the ledges and that, have been using the longer nose/tail, to their advantage. when i tried longer kicks, with mid ish (thunders), and 52s, it sucked. something about the timing was delayed or blah blah. it’s a me issue.
i never get to see palace boards in person, i just need to order them. it’s been a long time, but i remember the ‘wood’ feeling fairly stiff. aye. i think it is maybe the epoxy that the chinese brands use. the boards felt like crail boards kinda. sort of unalive, yet stiff. another reason why i wanted to try that damn 14.8 deck was that i reeeeeally enjoyed the griffin gass shape. i think it’s the g052: 8.5x14.45x32. i am not tall, and my legs are very short. on paper it shouldn’t work, but the short kicks, long wheelbase….i dunno. the tail is the same size as the 7.75 girl boards, so it felt really familiar to me. sucks with big wheels/tall trucks, but thunders and 52 felt nice. so even tho the deck wasn’t ‘lively’ or poppy or whatever, it ended up working out for me for a long time and being difficult to destruct
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen on AF1 55s primarily for the last few years but have been thinking of switching to indy stage 11s. Love how loose/surfy aces are but I've kind of lost all my tricks and am wondering if indys might provide a little more stability for manuals etc. Is indy 149 standard heavier than AF1 55? Definitely don't want anything hollow, just feels weird. Probably just frying out on my setup cause I haven't been skating well.[close]
didn’t you used to skate 5.8s? i thought you were a venture guy, before the bobby wave.
anyways, i can’t skate for shit on af1s: they turn great, but tricks wise? no. my ace setup luck is just bad, caveat being that i’ve had some really good days on short wb boards with huge wheels, and ace. or classic 55s.
beach chicken is correct, imo, bushings don’t change the pop. i could never with indy 149s, but the standard cast were the best version, pop with indy cast is good to great, for most folks.[close]
Damn crazy you remembered I was skating ventures! I was AWAKE for like 8-9 years. Even during the "On My Grind" era when they were kind of seen as price point trucks or something. Started skating Aces 3-4 years ago, lost tricks for sure but also stopped tick tacking almost entirely.
At this point the only thing stopping me from trying some Indys is that they're the least "cool" of the main truck companies. Loved them in my early 20s.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone skated one of those absurdly long wheelbase palace 8.3 boards? Its like 14.8 or something with tiny kicks.
Been on April 8.5 (14.4, fairly flat and decently long kicks) with cast plate ventures for over a year now. Great for the most part but lil bit wide and long feeling for a few things, mostly flatground.
Have tried it with v8 plates but it makes the wheelbase a bit short and kicks a lil anemic. Just nose recessed is fine, but still, nose feels a lil long.
Getting a bit bored of it and wanted to throw a wrench in it all. Wondering if a 14.8 wheelbase and tiny kicks with v8s recssed both sides would weirdly feel good or if its insane lol[close]
i wanted to skate one of those, just because it seemed so dumb that maybe i’d like it. i’ve had a good time on some long wb boards, and i have generally liked tiny kicks.[close]
Yeah, Im thinking it'll either be randomly quite good, or so horrendous that it makes me commit another year to what I've been on.
I've hovered around 14.25-14.5 on venture mostly, sometimes indy, and have dabbled with ace thunder lurpiv over the past couple years too. Generally like having a good amount of nose and tail but thats also because Im on normal venture most of the time.
Not into tiny kicks on ventures, but maybe with the v8 positioning, could work out. Or not[close]
part of why i liked tiny kicks, was because that’s how things used to be, a billion years ago. but that was also on low trucks. short tails, high trucks, and wheels of a decent size, get funny, real quick.
i must add that what i like is almost totally about flatground. many folks that i see enjoying the ledges and that, have been using the longer nose/tail, to their advantage. when i tried longer kicks, with mid ish (thunders), and 52s, it sucked. something about the timing was delayed or blah blah. it’s a me issue.
i never get to see palace boards in person, i just need to order them. it’s been a long time, but i remember the ‘wood’ feeling fairly stiff. aye. i think it is maybe the epoxy that the chinese brands use. the boards felt like crail boards kinda. sort of unalive, yet stiff. another reason why i wanted to try that damn 14.8 deck was that i reeeeeally enjoyed the griffin gass shape. i think it’s the g052: 8.5x14.45x32. i am not tall, and my legs are very short. on paper it shouldn’t work, but the short kicks, long wheelbase….i dunno. the tail is the same size as the 7.75 girl boards, so it felt really familiar to me. sucks with big wheels/tall trucks, but thunders and 52 felt nice. so even tho the deck wasn’t ‘lively’ or poppy or whatever, it ended up working out for me for a long time and being difficult to destruct[close]
Yeah, makes sense given how boards used to be and if you're into flat. I mostly skate ledges/flatbars, so being able to sit in a grind or slide for a while is pretty important. Size 13 feet also tend to drag. Also not super into steep kicks. So this might be a problem lol.
Smaller kicks might be nice for flat though, and I'm sure the recessed axles on v8s help the kicks feel bigger. It made the nose and tail on my April feel tooo big.
Wonder if a stupid long wheelbase would be nice visually as I could set up with my front foot behind the bolts a good amount but still without having my feet too close together. But not feel too boaty coz of the v8s.
Im 6ft5 so on shorter boards, even tho a lot of things work well, always feel a lil cramped.
In any case just ordered one and gonna find out soon enough whether I lit my money on fire or if it was a genius move.
... Has anyone ever setup a fun/fuck around board and ended up skating way more than your regular setup?
At this point the only thing stopping me from trying some Indys is that they're the least "cool" of the main truck companies.
Yes. Skating a purely optimized setup gets really boring after awhile. Looking down and seeing an egg or some alternative shape can inspire you to skate differently and that not every session needs to be about striving for improvement. I have like 3 setups running most of the time and I’ve found it’s the only thing that’s quelled my madness.
Expand Quote... Has anyone ever setup a fun/fuck around board and ended up skating way more than your regular setup?[close]
I normally ride the DLX 8.25/14.38. Awhile back, friend gave me an almost new White Eagle (8.75/14.62). It has almost the same shape as the 8.25, but just bigger. I thought, "Oh this could be a fun cruiser board." Fast forward, I now ride 8.75s (mostly the 8.75/14.5 Black Label) more than my 8.25.
Expand QuoteExpand Quote... Has anyone ever setup a fun/fuck around board and ended up skating way more than your regular setup?[close]
I normally ride the DLX 8.25/14.38. Awhile back, friend gave me an almost new White Eagle (8.75/14.62). It has almost the same shape as the 8.25, but just bigger. I thought, "Oh this could be a fun cruiser board." Fast forward, I now ride 8.75s (mostly the 8.75/14.5 Black Label) more than my 8.25.[close]
I reckon you ride Indy 159s on the 8.75?
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At this point the only thing stopping me from trying some Indys is that they're the least "cool" of the main truck companies.[close]
Wow, dude. Just...wow.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote... Has anyone ever setup a fun/fuck around board and ended up skating way more than your regular setup?[close]
I normally ride the DLX 8.25/14.38. Awhile back, friend gave me an almost new White Eagle (8.75/14.62). It has almost the same shape as the 8.25, but just bigger. I thought, "Oh this could be a fun cruiser board." Fast forward, I now ride 8.75s (mostly the 8.75/14.5 Black Label) more than my 8.25.[close]
I reckon you ride Indy 159s on the 8.75?[close]
Yup. Forged. The 8.25 comes out when I’m feeling a bit more tech, but general riding/any transition, man, that extra width on 8.75 just feels so, so, so good.
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At this point the only thing stopping me from trying some Indys is that they're the least "cool" of the main truck companies.[close]
Wow, dude. Just...wow.[close]
wdym
skating has almost always been about this: often times it is what you are not into. you skate a bunch of dlx stuff. you could skate powell boards, but you do not. why is that?
Expand QuoteBeen on AF1 55s primarily for the last few years but have been thinking of switching to indy stage 11s. Love how loose/surfy aces are but I've kind of lost all my tricks and am wondering if indys might provide a little more stability for manuals etc. Is indy 149 standard heavier than AF1 55? Definitely don't want anything hollow, just feels weird. Probably just frying out on my setup cause I haven't been skating well.[close]
Have you tried the AF1’s with ace hard bushings? Highly recommend that before buying new trucks
The problem is I’m so in my own head at this point I can’t find a way to settle.
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At this point the only thing stopping me from trying some Indys is that they're the least "cool" of the main truck companies.[close]
Wow, dude. Just...wow.[close]
wdym
skating has almost always been about this: often times it is what you are not into. you skate a bunch of dlx stuff. you could skate powell boards, but you do not. why is that?[close]
Why is that? Simple. They make a deck I really like. It’s certainly not about being “cool.” Cool-Guys are one of the worst things in skateboarding.
Stuck in truck madness limbo again.
Rotating:
Indy 149
Thunder 149
Venture 5.6
All standard.
My pop sucks on the Indy but the turning feels great.
The Thunder turn is mad finicky on this set for some reason but pop is fine. No trouble with nose and tail slides.
Venture pop is amazing as always. The Venture turn is great at the start of the turn but limited towards the end.
Riding the 8.5 Eagle. Measures 8.4 at the front truck, just under 8.3 at the rear.
Most common trucks on a very common deck so lots of common responses are to be expected here. The problem is I’m so in my own head at this point I can’t find a way to settle.
Any advice appreciated. I just want to put this thing together, stop overthinking, and enjoy skateboarding.
M
5’10”
US size 11
No banana for scale
it's not like I really care about looking cool for other people with my truck choice or anything. Indy is just kind of corny and I want to be hyped on my setup
Expand Quoteit's not like I really care about looking cool for other people with my truck choice or anything. Indy is just kind of corny and I want to be hyped on my setup[close]
Be hyped for how it functions, not because it's not cool enough for you. Big Head logo is corny as fuck. It's like a half-step better than Flameboy. But Spits are the best wheels out there, so...
Cool-Guys are one of the worst things in skateboarding.i get the desire to defend ones favorite truck
nothing out of nhs is remotely cool
and i mean nothingi get the desire to defend ones favorite truckExpand QuoteCool-Guys are one of the worst things in skateboarding.[close]
but this is your worst take, probably ever
that and the following response read like Xen posts
crazy plot twist
please excuse my desperate attemptExpand Quotenothing out of nhs is remotely cool
and i mean nothingi get the desire to defend ones favorite truckExpand QuoteCool-Guys are one of the worst things in skateboarding.[close]
but this is your worst take, probably ever
that and the following response read like Xen posts
crazy plot twist[close]
Please cite, specifically, any defense of Indy (hint: there was none). Don’t conflate defense and critique; they are dissimilar.
please excuse my desperate attemptExpand QuoteExpand Quotenothing out of nhs is remotely cool
and i mean nothingi get the desire to defend ones favorite truckExpand QuoteCool-Guys are one of the worst things in skateboarding.[close]
but this is your worst take, probably ever
that and the following response read like Xen posts
crazy plot twist[close]
Please cite, specifically, any defense of Indy (hint: there was none). Don’t conflate defense and critique; they are dissimilar.[close]
to give you the benefit of the doubt
so that was just your worst take, probably ever
Expand Quoteit's not like I really care about looking cool for other people with my truck choice or anything. Indy is just kind of corny and I want to be hyped on my setup[close]
Be hyped for how it functions, not because it's not cool enough for you. Big Head logo is corny as fuck. It's like a half-step better than Flameboy. But Spits are the best wheels out there, so...
How on earth can you conflate wearing a skinsuit skateboarding with using a popular brand of trucks? Baffling
Expand QuoteHow on earth can you conflate wearing a skinsuit skateboarding with using a popular brand of trucks? Baffling[close]
i like that you used the words conflate and baffling, and that you are easily confused.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow on earth can you conflate wearing a skinsuit skateboarding with using a popular brand of trucks? Baffling[close]
i like that you used the words conflate and baffling, and that you are easily confused.[close]
And I appreciate your deep insecurity about being seen possessing the incorrect product.
nothing out of nhs is remotely cool
and i mean nothingi get the desire to defend ones favorite truckExpand QuoteCool-Guys are one of the worst things in skateboarding.[close]
but this is your worst take, probably ever
that and the following response read like Xen posts
all love, he is a necessary member of the community
dont get it twisted
just strikes me as the sort of pal
who would agree with the anti cool guy sentiment
we all come with our own foolishness
none above a ribbing
i think it is cute, in the condescending way, that you and some think you are keeping it real.
Expand Quotei think it is cute, in the condescending way, that you and some think you are keeping it real.[close]
Keeping what real? I don't even skate Indys; I was just amused at the flimsy analogy you drew.
..the point i was attempting to make with sedition, was that i don’t believe sedition based all his gear choices, on optimizing performance.
i was also trying to point out that the function, in italics, of my board is to make me happy, and that can have lots of influences, performance being a part of it. supporting stuff i like being another (and being cool goddamnit).
Expand Quote..the point i was attempting to make with sedition, was that i don’t believe sedition based all his gear choices, on optimizing performance.
i was also trying to point out that the function, in italics, of my board is to make me happy, and that can have lots of influences, performance being a part of it. supporting stuff i like being another (and being cool goddamnit).[close]
100% all of this. Every word. Everyone wants to be happy with their equipment, no question. And how/what constitutes that happiness is totally subjective. That said, refusing to try what is widely known to be among the best products made in skateboarding (be it F4 wheels, BBS wood, or any of the "Big 4" trucks, etc.) because it's not cool enough is, IMHO, really lame. But if that's how you roll the dice...have at it, and enjoy (and hopefully you're not missing out on something that might actually rock your world).
i’m trying to stay mad in the madness thread.
Eh fuck it I don't want to ride Slappys because the name is embarrassing
Hopping back in to thank you folks for the advice on my truck madness on the previous page.
I had an old backup board I threw together and happened to keep grabbing it while teaching a skate camp for spring break.
I went with the run what you brung mentality and it really worked for me.
After spending time on my basics through the art of teaching I came to the realization that the purity of just enjoying the act of skating (something I learned by proxy from my students) was the ultimate cure to my own madness. Kinda made it all seem a bit silly.
Ride whatever, just have fun.
Yo -- am I trippin??
Everybody talks about how Ace trucks are too turny and loose, and that Indys are more stable and neutral.
I feel like I've just straight up had the opposite experience recently. Indys have been feeling just absolutely divey into turns with almost no center point of stability. It's like I gotta be constantly balancing or somethin. Even with harder bushings. I only 170 too.
The Aces on the other hand feel like there is plenty of stability to cruise in a straight line without any sorta wobbly feeling. They have a more round circular turn I guess, but it feels like the resistance and snap back to center is more stable and reliable. Stock bushings yo
I'm just confused because I've had some Indys and Aces for a couple years now, and I just feel like I'm having the opposite experience of what everyone is sayin they're like.
Whussup withit
Yo -- am I trippin??
Everybody talks about how Ace trucks are too turny and loose, and that Indys are more stable and neutral.
I feel like I've just straight up had the opposite experience recently. Indys have been feeling just absolutely divey into turns with almost no center point of stability. It's like I gotta be constantly balancing or somethin. Even with harder bushings. I only 170 too.
The Aces on the other hand feel like there is plenty of stability to cruise in a straight line without any sorta wobbly feeling. They have a more round circular turn I guess, but it feels like the resistance and snap back to center is more stable and reliable. Stock bushings yo
I'm just confused because I've had some Indys and Aces for a couple years now, and I just feel like I'm having the opposite experience of what everyone is sayin they're like.
Whussup withit
Expand QuoteYo -- am I trippin??
Everybody talks about how Ace trucks are too turny and loose, and that Indys are more stable and neutral.
I feel like I've just straight up had the opposite experience recently. Indys have been feeling just absolutely divey into turns with almost no center point of stability. It's like I gotta be constantly balancing or somethin. Even with harder bushings. I only 170 too.
The Aces on the other hand feel like there is plenty of stability to cruise in a straight line without any sorta wobbly feeling. They have a more round circular turn I guess, but it feels like the resistance and snap back to center is more stable and reliable. Stock bushings yo
I'm just confused because I've had some Indys and Aces for a couple years now, and I just feel like I'm having the opposite experience of what everyone is sayin they're like.
Whussup withit[close]
what stage indy's?
imo ace's are twitchy af. has them feeling like they can go either way at any sec... which i love for transitions. but i've never ridden any sub 9" setup aces so who knows.
the best explanation i have heard, is too think of the hanger on/in a triangle. ace's are at the tippy top, right on the point. indy's sit lower in the triangle, leading to more stability for them.
Hmmm. Today I may have experienced “shoe madness” for the first time, ever.Welcome to the club :(
Context: Ever since I broke my leg / ankle in 2019 I’ve been wearing hi-tops (sk8-hi). I had some metal put in my ankle, and hi-tops help protect that spot a bit (fully exposed with low tops). I used to skate in vans old-schools, but still wear them as a casual shoe. I’ve also been riding a bit wider boards recently, too.
Anyway, today. I wasn’t planning on skating. My 8.25 was in the car, and had my old-schools on. I ended up having some free time, so went to a park for a bit. And I was kind of shocked. I was like, “Whoa. Old-schools feel way better on this (smaller) deck than my Sk8-Hi (which feel wider/bigger.) do.” Then the horror hit me. “My god. Is •this• the shoe madness I’ve read about on SLAP? What door to hell has just opened?” Am I now going to be picky about matching shoes to decks? Shoot me now.
Expand QuoteYo -- am I trippin??
Everybody talks about how Ace trucks are too turny and loose, and that Indys are more stable and neutral.
I feel like I've just straight up had the opposite experience recently. Indys have been feeling just absolutely divey into turns with almost no center point of stability. It's like I gotta be constantly balancing or somethin. Even with harder bushings. I only 170 too.
The Aces on the other hand feel like there is plenty of stability to cruise in a straight line without any sorta wobbly feeling. They have a more round circular turn I guess, but it feels like the resistance and snap back to center is more stable and reliable. Stock bushings yo
I'm just confused because I've had some Indys and Aces for a couple years now, and I just feel like I'm having the opposite experience of what everyone is sayin they're like.
Whussup withit[close]
what stage indy's?
imo ace's are twitchy af. has them feeling like they can go either way at any sec... which i love for transitions. but i've never ridden any sub 9" setup aces so who knows.
the best explanation i have heard, is too think of the hanger on/in a triangle. ace's are at the tippy top, right on the point. indy's sit lower in the triangle, leading to more stability for them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYo -- am I trippin??
Everybody talks about how Ace trucks are too turny and loose, and that Indys are more stable and neutral.
I feel like I've just straight up had the opposite experience recently. Indys have been feeling just absolutely divey into turns with almost no center point of stability. It's like I gotta be constantly balancing or somethin. Even with harder bushings. I only 170 too.
The Aces on the other hand feel like there is plenty of stability to cruise in a straight line without any sorta wobbly feeling. They have a more round circular turn I guess, but it feels like the resistance and snap back to center is more stable and reliable. Stock bushings yo
I'm just confused because I've had some Indys and Aces for a couple years now, and I just feel like I'm having the opposite experience of what everyone is sayin they're like.
Whussup withit[close]
what stage indy's?
imo ace's are twitchy af. has them feeling like they can go either way at any sec... which i love for transitions. but i've never ridden any sub 9" setup aces so who knows.
the best explanation i have heard, is too think of the hanger on/in a triangle. ace's are at the tippy top, right on the point. indy's sit lower in the triangle, leading to more stability for them.[close]
I'm on some Classic 55s and some Stage 11 Hollow 159s.
I was always an Indy guy, got some Aces in 2020, without even ever trippin on truck geo and stuff. Just had a couple homies that were hyped on em. I skate mostly transition and like to bomb hills and stuff, but I've recently been trying to pop my freeekin board some more - grabbed some Indy's thinking that I could probably do with a bit more stability and that it would feel like returning home.
But I just am genuinely finding the Indys twitchier, wobbly/unstable, more wheelbite, and not really sure what the pros are other than a nice ass grind. I know what the pros should be, but I'm just not really vibing with em at the moment... Triangle theory makes sense and it's what I thought I would be feeling, but somehow the Aces are feeling more like what I tink the Indys are supposed to feel like.
Should I just say fuggit and get some Ventures lol?
Yo -- am I trippin??This is my exact experience. I if you like medium to loose trucks, I feel like Ace snaps back to center way better. I do think if you like tighter trucks, Indy's tighten up a little more while ace remains a bit surfy even if you choke out the bushings.
Everybody talks about how Ace trucks are too turny and loose, and that Indys are more stable and neutral.
I feel like I've just straight up had the opposite experience recently. Indys have been feeling just absolutely divey into turns with almost no center point of stability. It's like I gotta be constantly balancing or somethin. Even with harder bushings. I only 170 too.
The Aces on the other hand feel like there is plenty of stability to cruise in a straight line without any sorta wobbly feeling. They have a more round circular turn I guess, but it feels like the resistance and snap back to center is more stable and reliable. Stock bushings yo
I'm just confused because I've had some Indys and Aces for a couple years now, and I just feel like I'm having the opposite experience of what everyone is sayin they're like.
Whussup withit
This is my exact experience. I if you like medium to loose trucks, I feel like Ace snaps back to center way better. I do think if you like tighter trucks, Indy's tighten up a little more while ace remains a bit surfy even if you choke out the bushings.
This is valuable information since I got some hollow ones after ages and I'm terrified.Expand Quote
This is my exact experience. I if you like medium to loose trucks, I feel like Ace snaps back to center way better. I do think if you like tighter trucks, Indy's tighten up a little more while ace remains a bit surfy even if you choke out the bushings.[close]
This is exactly why I don't skate Aces anymore. I just can't get them stable enough for my taste, even with hard bushings. Indys, especially with the bkue medium hard bushings work perfect in combining stability and turn.
This is valuable information since I got some hollow ones after ages and I'm terrified.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
This is my exact experience. I if you like medium to loose trucks, I feel like Ace snaps back to center way better. I do think if you like tighter trucks, Indy's tighten up a little more while ace remains a bit surfy even if you choke out the bushings.[close]
This is exactly why I don't skate Aces anymore. I just can't get them stable enough for my taste, even with hard bushings. Indys, especially with the bkue medium hard bushings work perfect in combining stability and turn.[close]
too much slap’n for me. my insistence that indys don’t work for me/are uncool to me, has me, predictably, wanting to rehash that relationship.
i tried the hollows and forged etc, for the most part my best results came from regular cast.
when did stage 10 start/stop? as in, what year?
Expand Quotetoo much slap’n for me. my insistence that indys don’t work for me/are uncool to me, has me, predictably, wanting to rehash that relationship.
i tried the hollows and forged etc, for the most part my best results came from regular cast.
when did stage 10 start/stop? as in, what year?[close]
Stage 9 in 2003 with the computer designed thinner hanger, lower at 53.5 mm tall, in 129 and 139, but still the older thicker 149 hanger and an older thicker 166 hanger. Two hollow parts on the baseplate to make the truck lighter, but they broke a lot.
All available info tends to have Stage 10 coming in around 2009, with a solid baseplate on the same Stage 9 hangers first - 129, 139 in the same thinner lower 53.5 mm hanger, then new 149s also on the thinner lower hanger maybe in 2010 and then finally new 159s in the taller hanger a bit after that, maybe not too long before Stage 11 came out - Duane Peters truck colourway (Thanks Frank n Fred) and plain ones too, as per a set I have.
Stage 11 came out in 2012, the whole range all upgraded at that point to the taller 55 mm in height in 129, 139, 149, 159 and 169. In 2017 144 came out.
That is the approximate time line for that stuff.
Also 2010 was when the first forged baseplate came out, maybe even first thinner 149 hanger too.
The low trucks I don't really know, but they were out for Stage 10 and continued a little into Stage 11 but I didn't really follow the timeline of low trucks anywhere near as much.
* Sorry for too much info.
Wenning footage makes me want some stage 9s or 10s. Van Wastell, too. Loved those things. Like Ok, I thought 10s came out in the mid 2000’s.
I knew immediately stage 11s were too tall, but you can’t beat plain old cast. Everyone I know who tried the mids/forged hated them as they were chasing that stage 9/10 feel.
I was recently trying to track down some 9/10 149s. Specifically with the fatter hangers. There’s some posting about this in the Indy Thread (but I don’t know how to link from phone). @Mbrimson88 helped me to determine that the EBay listing I was looking at was in fact 159 or 169 so therefore a no go for me.
If someone needs or wants that size let me know and I can DM you the listing if still available. I remember the price being acceptable and not jacked way up.
I was recently trying to track down some 9/10 149s. Specifically with the fatter hangers. There’s some posting about this in the Indy Thread (but I don’t know how to link from phone). @Mbrimson88 helped me to determine that the EBay listing I was looking at was in fact 159 or 169 so therefore a no go for me.
If someone needs or wants that size let me know and I can DM you the listing if still available. I remember the price being acceptable and not jacked way up.
brimmer coming in clutch!
i too would love to try 9/10 149s. i have some what i think are 10s, 139s, and they feel easy.
More of meta-madness question...what situations trigger your madness?
Example: Recently I've mostly been skating only my 8.75. Yesterday I was skating a 4' mini ramp (where the 8.75 usually really shines). I am trying f/s 50-50s to tailslide. Turning to tail started to feel kind of sluggish, slow motion, and awkward. Had a few near nasty bails. I start thinking, "My (usual) 8.25 deck would snap right into that"...and suddenly my 8.75 is now feeling like a gigantic boat. Enter the Madness.
14 inch wheelbase boards give me madness. Why does everyone say they’re so easy to skate, they feel good for a day then everything feels off.imo, good for learning flip tricks at low speeds
..another madness inducing scenario is something @Sedition has mentioned several times and my version of it goes like this: i might land more flip tricks on a smaller setup, but the ones i land on a bigger setup FEEL ‘better’. so i get some kickflips i like the feel of, but then i cant do a shitty treflip, and then i’m back to scheming.
Expand Quote..another madness inducing scenario is something @Sedition has mentioned several times and my version of it goes like this: i might land more flip tricks on a smaller setup, but the ones i land on a bigger setup FEEL ‘better’. so i get some kickflips i like the feel of, but then i cant do a shitty treflip, and then i’m back to scheming.[close]
I've been leaning into this concept hard recently, and is the main reason I've been riding the 8.75 a lot. I mean, Jesus, f/s slash grinds or f/s 5-0s with 159s on a ramp??? Does anything in skateboard really feel better than that? With 144s that shit just feels goofy and, well, wrong. Likewise with any basic curb/ledge tricks. A solid f/s Smith grind on ledge with the 8.75/159s just feels...like stretching out in Queen size bed as opposed to being cramped up in a Twin all night. It's just a glorious feeling. Yeah, my nollie flips are just not the same on the 8.75, but damn, those f/s 5-0s are just...sensual. Anyway, all of this is to say that I've been putting more priority on how things feel recently, than on my "pull rate" (on some tricks) or simply maximizing the number of tricks I can do...and all of that has been lending itself to the 8.75/159s...a lot...and its actually been really enjoyable, and fun, too.
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and then switching to a more comfortable wheelbase
that being said, i wouldnt ever run that full time
if at all at this stage
i dont have time to learn tricks on 2 different setups
and 14” wb feels super sketchy at a decent speed
what wheelbase you like has all to do with comfort
if you dont like 14.0, that is fine
someone out there will
Follow-up from my post above...
Was back at that same park/ramp today. Brought my 8.25. It felt like a tiny little child's toy. And of course it did/would. I've been skating the 8.75 for the past two weeks. The first couple of b/s 50-50s I did on a ledge during warm-ups were nothing short of terrifying (because board felt so small). Hell, even kickflips felt precarious because there was so "little" board to land on. The real irony here? The trick that started the whole thing...f/s 50-50 grind to f/s tailslide on the 4' mini ramp? I really didn't even want to take the 8.25 on that ramp, at all, because the 8.25 suddenly felt like a freestyle board on a mega ramp.
Expand QuoteFollow-up from my post above...
Was back at that same park/ramp today. Brought my 8.25. It felt like a tiny little child's toy. And of course it did/would. I've been skating the 8.75 for the past two weeks. The first couple of b/s 50-50s I did on a ledge during warm-ups were nothing short of terrifying (because board felt so small). Hell, even kickflips felt precarious because there was so "little" board to land on. The real irony here? The trick that started the whole thing...f/s 50-50 grind to f/s tailslide on the 4' mini ramp? I really didn't even want to take the 8.25 on that ramp, at all, because the 8.25 suddenly felt like a freestyle board on a mega ramp.
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I grew up skating a 4 foot mini on 7.5-7.75 so this is interesting to me. I find most modern boards annoyingly clunky on small transition like this mostly due to length/wb
Skated Ventures for 10mo until last June. Persisted through lots of ups and downs with em, but had 3w of just not fun battles with things and went back to my trusty Indy standards. Tried Thunder for a few weeks and while I skate those the best, I have too many constant problems with them to really want to. Back to Indys, but keep trying out Ventures here and there. Mostly because I like the brand way more and there is something nice about how stable they are when they're looser. Its to the point where I perform mostly the same on both, with a slight edge towards Indys. It has become super distracting to where I have a great sesh on my normal and then after just slowly gaslight myself towards trying something else.
if brimmer, chavo, or any of the og’s that have their memories some how still intact know of the heights of;
stage 8s
stage 9s
stage 10s
i’d appreciate it.
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if brimmer, chavo, or any of the og’s that have their memories some how still intact know of the heights of;
stage 8s
stage 9s
stage 10s
i’d appreciate it.[close]
I have some of all of the above mentioned.
All earlier stages were said to be and are around 55 mm tall, even though some people said or felt like they weren't quite that tall.
Stage 9 and 10 were brought down to 53.5 mm tall, then the Stage 10 forged baseplates made the truck 52 mm tall.
Stage 10.5 159 were the first back up to 55 mm tall, which were used as Stage 11 truck molds in the 159s.
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if brimmer, chavo, or any of the og’s that have their memories some how still intact know of the heights of;
stage 8s
stage 9s
stage 10s
i’d appreciate it.[close]
I have some of all of the above mentioned.
All earlier stages were said to be and are around 55 mm tall, even though some people said or felt like they weren't quite that tall.
Stage 9 and 10 were brought down to 53.5 mm tall, then the Stage 10 forged baseplates made the truck 52 mm tall.
Stage 10.5 159 were the first back up to 55 mm tall, which were used as Stage 11 truck molds in the 159s.[close]
159 cast trucks are rad, they are just big/heavy. feeling is great, but the utility with such a big truck is hard for me to wrap my head around. or, more clearly: big truck makes me tired.
thanks for the answers, as always
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if brimmer, chavo, or any of the og’s that have their memories some how still intact know of the heights of;
stage 8s
stage 9s
stage 10s
i’d appreciate it.[close]
I have some of all of the above mentioned.
All earlier stages were said to be and are around 55 mm tall, even though some people said or felt like they weren't quite that tall.
Stage 9 and 10 were brought down to 53.5 mm tall, then the Stage 10 forged baseplates made the truck 52 mm tall.
Stage 10.5 159 were the first back up to 55 mm tall, which were used as Stage 11 truck molds in the 159s.[close]
159 cast trucks are rad, they are just big/heavy. feeling is great, but the utility with such a big truck is hard for me to wrap my head around. or, more clearly: big truck makes me tired.
thanks for the answers, as always[close]
Longer times on big cast trucks can lead to big impressive leg muscles. It can also lead to knee andankle pain but that's something others can't see. ;D
for me it’s the little in between ligaments and such that hurt with larger/heavier stuff
I'm about to build a new setup after not skating for couple of years and i got in to this wheelbase madness.In that case try the Venture V8, you can adjust wheelbase with those babies.
I like a mid/low truck and I want something else than Thunders. I thought Slappy lows would be perfect for me as I like DLX boards with those longer wheelbases. Indy mid hollow is probably pretty much similiar. Then there is those April decks 8.25 with 14 wb which could work pretty good with forged Ventures which I like aesthetically the most. I just cant decide.
wheelbase madness? and you dont skate?
focus
In that case try the Venture V8, you can adjust wheelbase with those babies.Expand QuoteI'm about to build a new setup after not skating for couple of years and i got in to this wheelbase madness.
I like a mid/low truck and I want something else than Thunders. I thought Slappy lows would be perfect for me as I like DLX boards with those longer wheelbases. Indy mid hollow is probably pretty much similiar. Then there is those April decks 8.25 with 14 wb which could work pretty good with forged Ventures which I like aesthetically the most. I just cant decide.[close]
@scab my fault, wasnt looking close enough
buy venture!
That's a good call. @alph since it sounds like you want to try something new but don't exactly know which direction you want to go with, I'd also suggest the V8s because they give you the most options. You can set them up with the traditional Venture wheelbase, you can bring both trucks in and get into Ace territory, or bring just one truck in to have a nice middle ground. That's what I've been doing lately on a 14.5 wheelbase deck and I couldn't be happier with it.
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for me it’s the little in between ligaments and such that hurt with larger/heavier stuff[close]
Dude. This is basically where the madness started for me. In 2019 I badly broke my leg/fibula* just above the ankle. Significant ligament damage in my ankle, too. Bones heal up quick. That soft tissue stuff? THAT is what will kill you. They put in some hardware. Later had to take some out. Had two surgeries. Had to learn to walk again, and wasn't cleared to skate again for a year. My ankle will never be the same, and it does not bend or flex like it use to (and never will again). I'll never skate as good as I did before the injury, but I can still skate in a meaningful way, so that's basically all good.
Anyway, the Madness. Post-injury, I was like, "Ok. I now stand, push, walk, move, and skate differently than I did before. My ankle is now weaker, and now functions/moves in different ways. So, maybe that means I should also make some equipment tweaks???? The set-up I had before may not be what is best for me after. Let's try out some different stuff, and see how it goes." Enter the Madness. And it all comes back to the ligaments in my ankle...so, yes, totally hear/get you on that one.
*Broke it while skating a 6' mini ramp, doing a set-up trick I've done 1,000s of times--nollie rock to fakie.
I'm about to build a new setup after not skating for couple of years and i got in to this wheelbase madness.
I like a mid/low truck and I want something else than Thunders. I thought Slappy lows would be perfect for me as I like DLX boards with those longer wheelbases. Indy mid hollow is probably pretty much similiar. Then there is those April decks 8.25 with 14 wb which could work pretty good with forged Ventures which I like aesthetically the most. I just cant decide.
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for me it’s the little in between ligaments and such that hurt with larger/heavier stuff[close]
Dude. This is basically where the madness started for me. In 2019 I badly broke my leg/fibula* just above the ankle. Significant ligament damage in my ankle, too. Bones heal up quick. That soft tissue stuff? THAT is what will kill you. They put in some hardware. Later had to take some out. Had two surgeries. Had to learn to walk again, and wasn't cleared to skate again for a year. My ankle will never be the same, and it does not bend or flex like it use to (and never will again). I'll never skate as good as I did before the injury, but I can still skate in a meaningful way, so that's basically all good.
Anyway, the Madness. Post-injury, I was like, "Ok. I now stand, push, walk, move, and skate differently than I did before. My ankle is now weaker, and now functions/moves in different ways. So, maybe that means I should also make some equipment tweaks???? The set-up I had before may not be what is best for me after. Let's try out some different stuff, and see how it goes." Enter the Madness. And it all comes back to the ligaments in my ankle...so, yes, totally hear/get you on that one.
*Broke it while skating a 6' mini ramp, doing a set-up trick I've done 1,000s of times--nollie rock to fakie.[close]
mine was a front lip on a curb+ height skatepark ledge. just stood on the outside of my leading foot.
within 10 minutes black lines started appearing up my leg, the lines ran parallel to the ground, perpendicular to the shin. never got it checked out. stopped skating for a few years. my best ever day and this, were less than a month apart.
aaaanyways, to have that during a setup trick that’d do my head in. a large part of me skating has had to do with mental health, and it was nice to ‘shut my brain off’ and skate, sometimes i’d be present, sometimes not so much.
all of this very much relates to gear madness, as for me i was skating an older banged out deck, and then when i started skating again i was so diminished i started riding large shaped boards and just screwing around.
Wait. Just to be clear. Do you currently have a skateboard, and are you currently skating?No, other than some worn out Thunders laying around and I'm not skating at the moment.
No, other than some worn out Thunders laying around and I'm not skating at the moment.Expand QuoteWait. Just to be clear. Do you currently have a skateboard, and are you currently skating?[close]
Expand QuoteNo, other than some worn out Thunders laying around and I'm not skating at the moment.Expand QuoteWait. Just to be clear. Do you currently have a skateboard, and are you currently skating?[close][close]
How long have you been off the board for?
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How long have you been off the board for?[close]
About three years..
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How long have you been off the board for?[close]
About three years..[close]
Ok, IMHO, you are way, way, way, way overthinking this
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How long have you been off the board for?[close]
About three years..[close]
Ok, IMHO, you are way, way, way, way overthinking this, even for the nature of the madness thread. I would suggest first just getting a mid-range set-up (e.g. mid-range truck height, mid-range deck size/wheelsbase, mid-range wheel size). From there, just get your legs back, and get use to being on a board again. Once you are again really comfortable, then you can start messing with nuanced gear tweaks.
EDIT: I would also suggest staying away from the mIndys (mid-height Indys). They have not been well received. If you're looking Indy, and want mid-range height, the Forged Hollows are your guy.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNo, other than some worn out Thunders laying around and I'm not skating at the moment.Expand QuoteWait. Just to be clear. Do you currently have a skateboard, and are you currently skating?[close][close]
How long have you been off the board for?[close]
About three years..[close]
Ok, IMHO, you are way, way, way, way overthinking this[close]
Yeah probably, but I also think that dlx wheelbase with forged Thunders felt always a bit too long for me.
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for me it’s the little in between ligaments and such that hurt with larger/heavier stuff[close]
Dude. This is basically where the madness started for me. In 2019 I badly broke my leg/fibula* just above the ankle. Significant ligament damage in my ankle, too. Bones heal up quick. That soft tissue stuff? THAT is what will kill you. They put in some hardware. Later had to take some out. Had two surgeries. Had to learn to walk again, and wasn't cleared to skate again for a year. My ankle will never be the same, and it does not bend or flex like it use to (and never will again). I'll never skate as good as I did before the injury, but I can still skate in a meaningful way, so that's basically all good.
Anyway, the Madness. Post-injury, I was like, "Ok. I now stand, push, walk, move, and skate differently than I did before. My ankle is now weaker, and now functions/moves in different ways. So, maybe that means I should also make some equipment tweaks???? The set-up I had before may not be what is best for me after. Let's try out some different stuff, and see how it goes." Enter the Madness. And it all comes back to the ligaments in my ankle...so, yes, totally hear/get you on that one.
*Broke it while skating a 6' mini ramp, doing a set-up trick I've done 1,000s of times--nollie rock to fakie.[close]
mine was a front lip on a curb+ height skatepark ledge. just stood on the outside of my leading foot.
within 10 minutes black lines started appearing up my leg, the lines ran parallel to the ground, perpendicular to the shin. never got it checked out. stopped skating for a few years. my best ever day and this, were less than a month apart.
aaaanyways, to have that during a setup trick that’d do my head in. a large part of me skating has had to do with mental health, and it was nice to ‘shut my brain off’ and skate, sometimes i’d be present, sometimes not so much.
all of this very much relates to gear madness, as for me i was skating an older banged out deck, and then when i started skating again i was so diminished i started riding large shaped boards and just screwing around.[close]
Grim. And yeah, 6 years later, I sometimes get short-term, crippling fear, with anything on transition going to fakie because of reinjury fear…that comes out of NOWHERE.
Gear tweaks can trigger it, too. I tried conicals for a bit about two years ago, and that little bit of extra “lock” they have over Classic, totally spooked me on pivots to fakie, and I couldn’t do them again for like a month.
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for me it’s the little in between ligaments and such that hurt with larger/heavier stuff[close]
Dude. This is basically where the madness started for me. In 2019 I badly broke my leg/fibula* just above the ankle. Significant ligament damage in my ankle, too. Bones heal up quick. That soft tissue stuff? THAT is what will kill you. They put in some hardware. Later had to take some out. Had two surgeries. Had to learn to walk again, and wasn't cleared to skate again for a year. My ankle will never be the same, and it does not bend or flex like it use to (and never will again). I'll never skate as good as I did before the injury, but I can still skate in a meaningful way, so that's basically all good.
Anyway, the Madness. Post-injury, I was like, "Ok. I now stand, push, walk, move, and skate differently than I did before. My ankle is now weaker, and now functions/moves in different ways. So, maybe that means I should also make some equipment tweaks???? The set-up I had before may not be what is best for me after. Let's try out some different stuff, and see how it goes." Enter the Madness. And it all comes back to the ligaments in my ankle...so, yes, totally hear/get you on that one.
*Broke it while skating a 6' mini ramp, doing a set-up trick I've done 1,000s of times--nollie rock to fakie.[close]
mine was a front lip on a curb+ height skatepark ledge. just stood on the outside of my leading foot.
within 10 minutes black lines started appearing up my leg, the lines ran parallel to the ground, perpendicular to the shin. never got it checked out. stopped skating for a few years. my best ever day and this, were less than a month apart.
aaaanyways, to have that during a setup trick that’d do my head in. a large part of me skating has had to do with mental health, and it was nice to ‘shut my brain off’ and skate, sometimes i’d be present, sometimes not so much.
all of this very much relates to gear madness, as for me i was skating an older banged out deck, and then when i started skating again i was so diminished i started riding large shaped boards and just screwing around.[close]
Grim. And yeah, 6 years later, I sometimes get short-term, crippling fear, with anything on transition going to fakie because of reinjury fear…that comes out of NOWHERE.
Gear tweaks can trigger it, too. I tried conicals for a bit about two years ago, and that little bit of extra “lock” they have over Classic, totally spooked me on pivots to fakie, and I couldn’t do them again for like a month.[close]
Same thing for me. I had a rock climbing fall in 2021 that destroyed all the ligaments in my popping ankle. It took a long time to even be able to drag my ankle for nollies like I could before and I re-injured it landing primo on a backside flip. It still fucks with my head sometimes and when a trick feels off I bail differently than before and don't commit to stomping certain tricks as much.
It also meant I could no longer confidently skate most vulcs and many shoes since there was significant ankle stability issues and roll potential. I moved up from shorter boards because I had some rolls from being a little too tipped fore/aft while landing.
As for @ok the thing you note about Indys feeling great on sesh 1 but not sesh 2- this is where madness fucks you. You need to get to like, session 10 before making conclusions. I don't get how people do like 1 or 2 sessions on one thing, then next week are on another, then they switch decks and do it again- all that shit is so confusing there is no way they're actually adjusting each session and coming to any sort of useful conclusion unless its so magical or so off.
Yeah you are probably right, there is no point to get in to a madness before even skating again.
Same thing for me. I had a rock climbing fall in 2021 that destroyed all the ligaments in my popping ankle. It took a long time to even be able to drag my ankle for nollies like I could before and I re-injured it landing primo on a backside flip. It still fucks with my head sometimes and when a trick feels off I bail differently than before and don't commit to stomping certain tricks as much.
It also meant I could no longer confidently skate most vulcs and many shoes since there was significant ankle stability issues and roll potential. I moved up from shorter boards because I had some rolls from being a little too tipped fore/aft while landing.
Yeah you are probably right, there is no point to get in to a madness before even skating again.But again, this is Slap.
So a few months into Venture Lows from Thunders, my nose and tail slides are night and day which I’m attributing to the longer baseplate. Still not stoked into the lack of turning of Ventures so I think I’ll switch back to Thunders once I’ve had my fun here but are the inverted kingpins or T2s supposed to have a decent baseplate to slide on? It might be hard to go back to the old baseplates.
i am really torn between 8.25 and 8.5" trucks. i am pretty set on thunder team.
right now i have setup with 8.38, thunder 148, 55mm classics. was not really considering hot rodding but maybe i should try it out.
i have typed and deleted stuff so many times in this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K-cDejLP5y0
this setup actually seems kinda godlike
i am really torn between 8.25 and 8.5" trucks. i am pretty set on thunder team.
right now i have setup with 8.38, thunder 148, 55mm classics. was not really considering hot rodding but maybe i should try it out.
i have typed and deleted stuff so many times in this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K-cDejLP5y0
this setup actually seems kinda godlike
i am really torn between 8.25 and 8.5" trucks. i am pretty set on thunder team.
right now i have setup with 8.38, thunder 148, 55mm classics. was not really considering hot rodding but maybe i should try it out.
Riding conical fulls for the first time in a while and am really noticing the increased flip difficulty.
I feel like 56mm classics flip more easily than these 54mm conical fulls.
Gonna stick with them for another board probably just to try and see if it's just an adjustment period thing.
Went from 56 to 54 classics and was having a hard time staying on coping, that's what made me consider conicals again. Lock in is def improved, but man the flip is weird.
I'll consider it a win if I'm only making small adjustments back and forth between the same couple options at infrequent intervals.
Riding conical fulls for the first time in a while and am really noticing the increased flip difficulty.
I feel like 56mm classics flip more easily than these 54mm conical fulls.
Gonna stick with them for another board probably just to try and see if it's just an adjustment period thing.
Went from 56 to 54 classics and was having a hard time staying on coping, that's what made me consider conicals again. Lock in is def improved, but man the flip is weird.
Expand QuoteRiding conical fulls for the first time in a while and am really noticing the increased flip difficulty.
I feel like 56mm classics flip more easily than these 54mm conical fulls.
Gonna stick with them for another board probably just to try and see if it's just an adjustment period thing.
Went from 56 to 54 classics and was having a hard time staying on coping, that's what made me consider conicals again. Lock in is def improved, but man the flip is weird.[close]
I used to go back and forth between Classics and (regular) Conicals for the same reasons. Classics can slip out a bit on more rounded-off stuff (esp. coping). Conicals certainly lock-in better. But, just as you say, Conicals have a very different "flip." I always ended up going back to Classics (and just adjusting my technique on coping grinds). Conicals had some other drawbacks to me, too. Train-tracking was a major one. They also felt really clunky and "boxy" to me, and didn't seem to slide as well (Conical Fulls are unimaginable to me in this aspect!). Sometimes they lock a tad too much, too (esp. on pivot to fakies). I'm sure at some point I will try Conicals them again (e.g. Madness), but they are called "Classics: for a reason. :)
Radials? Worst of both and best of neither. Don't have the agility of a Classic, or the lock of Conical...which is why we need Radial Slims back.
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For any of you guys on specific sized wheels, how long do you skate them / how small do they get before you switch them out for a new set of the same size you had before?
In the 00s I used to rotate 56, 57 and even 59 mm wheels through various stages of wear - big and new on a go fast board, medium wear on an all rounder and worn down a lot on a smaller tech setup. Still do to a point, but I don't really go big and fast so much at all anymore.
Example - seen some people take 56 mm Classics down to almost 50 mm every time before changing out and it is such a big difference in the before and after sessions, they almost go from fast new skate a lot of transition then worn down and skate a lot more ledge and tech stuff, over roughly quarter to half a year, almost like the seasons come and go with the size of the wheels.
Regarding Spitfire, only Radials and Classics are required. No other shapes, no fulls, no nothing. Those two provide everything I need. Throw in the Bones V5 shape and I'm set for the rest of my time in this mortal coil.
Having said that, if I ran into a set of Radial Slims, I would throw my euros at them in a flash of lightning, but, alas, that shape is merely a meme and a pipe dream these days.
How priviliged it is to have "problems" like this. Have a blessed Holy Weekend, y'all. The Spaghetti Monster lives, too.
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For any of you guys on specific sized wheels, how long do you skate them / how small do they get before you switch them out for a new set of the same size you had before?
In the 00s I used to rotate 56, 57 and even 59 mm wheels through various stages of wear - big and new on a go fast board, medium wear on an all rounder and worn down a lot on a smaller tech setup. Still do to a point, but I don't really go big and fast so much at all anymore.
Example - seen some people take 56 mm Classics down to almost 50 mm every time before changing out and it is such a big difference in the before and after sessions, they almost go from fast new skate a lot of transition then worn down and skate a lot more ledge and tech stuff, over roughly quarter to half a year, almost like the seasons come and go with the size of the wheels.
Regarding Spitfire, only Radials and Classics are required. No other shapes, no fulls, no nothing. Those two provide everything I need. Throw in the Bones V5 shape and I'm set for the rest of my time in this mortal coil.
Having said that, if I ran into a set of Radial Slims, I would throw my euros at them in a flash of lightning, but, alas, that shape is merely a meme and a pipe dream these days.
How priviliged it is to have "problems" like this. Have a blessed Holy Weekend, y'all. The Spaghetti Monster lives, too.
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For any of you guys on specific sized wheels, how long do you skate them / how small do they get before you switch them out for a new set of the same size you had before?
In the 00s I used to rotate 56, 57 and even 59 mm wheels through various stages of wear - big and new on a go fast board, medium wear on an all rounder and worn down a lot on a smaller tech setup. Still do to a point, but I don't really go big and fast so much at all anymore.
Example - seen some people take 56 mm Classics down to almost 50 mm every time before changing out and it is such a big difference in the before and after sessions, they almost go from fast new skate a lot of transition then worn down and skate a lot more ledge and tech stuff, over roughly quarter to half a year, almost like the seasons come and go with the size of the wheels.[close]
I ride 53mm. I replace them pretty often...like they never get below 52mm.
https://youtu.be/LjNt5iGhNwIIf you don’t want to ride mini logos, the Palace 8.25 with the 14” wheelbase is pretty flat.
I watched this and bought a digital level/angle finder. Someone tell me I'm not alone. Surely this will fix all my problems.
I'm getting back into skating regularly after a pretty decent break, formerly only skating like once a year for the past 6-7 years. I'm a really tall dude (6'5") and have been going pretty mad with my setup/ shoes.Put your front foot back more with shorter boards. Stick with the aces your legs will adapt and be stronger. Buy Reebok club c mid off a sale rack.
Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave
Gear Madness #2:
ACE 55's feel like a big chore to flip, but feel great for everything else
Gear Madness #3:
Need some better shoes to skate, right now skating some half cab skates but they don't feel supportive enough, really starting to feel any bail in my knees and ankles.
Looking for support, grip, boardfeel, hightops, and ideally black/ black. I'm in-between the NB 440v2 highs or blazer sb highs.
I would just pull the trigger on the NB's but I'm worried about the boardfeel/ grip.
(been lurking the forum for longer than I can count and am trying to get more involved)
I'm getting back into skating regularly after a pretty decent break, formerly only skating like once a year for the past 6-7 years. I'm a really tall dude (6'5") and have been going pretty mad with my setup/ shoes.im an inch taller than you
Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave
Gear Madness #2:
ACE 55's feel like a big chore to flip, but feel great for everything else
Gear Madness #3:
Need some better shoes to skate, right now skating some half cab skates but they don't feel supportive enough, really starting to feel any bail in my knees and ankles.
Looking for support, grip, boardfeel, hightops, and ideally black/ black. I'm in-between the NB 440v2 highs or blazer sb highs.
I would just pull the trigger on the NB's but I'm worried about the boardfeel/ grip.
(been lurking the forum for longer than I can count and am trying to get more involved)
I'm getting back into skating regularly after a pretty decent break, formerly only skating like once a year for the past 6-7 years. I'm a really tall dude (6'5") and have been going pretty mad with my setup/ shoes.
Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave
Gear Madness #2:
ACE 55's feel like a big chore to flip, but feel great for everything else
Gear Madness #3:
Need some better shoes to skate, right now skating some half cab skates but they don't feel supportive enough, really starting to feel any bail in my knees and ankles.
Looking for support, grip, boardfeel, hightops, and ideally black/ black. I'm in-between the NB 440v2 highs or blazer sb highs.
I would just pull the trigger on the NB's but I'm worried about the boardfeel/ grip.
(been lurking the forum for longer than I can count and am trying to get more involved)
Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave
im an inch taller than youExpand QuoteI'm getting back into skating regularly after a pretty decent break, formerly only skating like once a year for the past 6-7 years. I'm a really tall dude (6'5") and have been going pretty mad with my setup/ shoes.
Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave
Gear Madness #2:
ACE 55's feel like a big chore to flip, but feel great for everything else
Gear Madness #3:
Need some better shoes to skate, right now skating some half cab skates but they don't feel supportive enough, really starting to feel any bail in my knees and ankles.
Looking for support, grip, boardfeel, hightops, and ideally black/ black. I'm in-between the NB 440v2 highs or blazer sb highs.
I would just pull the trigger on the NB's but I'm worried about the boardfeel/ grip.
(been lurking the forum for longer than I can count and am trying to get more involved)[close]
and the idea of skating a 32” board scares me
on 32.5 right now, think i can do 32.25 minimum
idk what kind of skating you do
but i switched from ace to thunder to venture
and wouldnt dare go back
lastly, skate shoes with support/impact protection
keep your knees intact
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Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave[close]
I don't know Baker boards that well, but what's the wheel base on that? I'm guessing 14.25". IMHO, at 6'5" you shouldn't be anywhere NEAR a 14.25" wb deck. I would say 14.5" at the least, and prolly closer to 14.62" or 14.75". Remember that decks are mostly made with the ratios of a normal person in mind. You are not normal. So the concept of a "short" (wheelbase) is going to be relative to you, not relative to average sized boards. A board that is too short forces your feet too close together, and compromises your stability and ability to move in a normal fashion. Yeah, people can kickflip penny boards, but they won't do it with as much control and command as a board that more properly fits their stature. If I had to suggest a deck for you, I'd say start with the DLX (Real, Anti-Hero, Krooked) 8.75" with a 14.62" wheelbase (the white Anti-Hero eagle, and assorted other Krooked and Anti-Hero graphics), and see how that feels. It still night be too cramped for you! Get rid of that 14.25 deck!
Not to further your madness, but I also always tell people who are just starting, or coming back, to get Forged Indys. Why? Because they are the perfect "middle ground" truck. Don't ride as loose as Ace, not as tight as Thunder/Venture. Also, if you're a big guy, that means you might also be on the heavier side of things (no, I'm not saying you are fat). To that endm you may also want to look into some harder bushing for your trucks.
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Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave[close]
I don't know Baker boards that well, but what's the wheel base on that? I'm guessing 14.25". IMHO, at 6'5" you shouldn't be anywhere NEAR a 14.25" wb deck. I would say 14.5" at the least, and prolly closer to 14.62" or 14.75". Remember that decks are mostly made with the ratios of a normal person in mind. You are not normal. So the concept of a "short" (wheelbase) is going to be relative to you, not relative to average sized boards. A board that is too short forces your feet too close together, and compromises your stability and ability to move in a normal fashion. Yeah, people can kickflip penny boards, but they won't do it with as much control and command as a board that more properly fits their stature. If I had to suggest a deck for you, I'd say start with the DLX (Real, Anti-Hero, Krooked) 8.75" with a 14.62" wheelbase (the white Anti-Hero eagle, and assorted other Krooked and Anti-Hero graphics), and see how that feels. It still night be too cramped for you! Get rid of that 14.25 deck!
Not to further your madness, but I also always tell people who are just starting, or coming back, to get Forged Indys. Why? Because they are the perfect "middle ground" truck. Don't ride as loose as Ace, not as tight as Thunder/Venture. Also, if you're a big guy, that means you might also be on the heavier side of things (no, I'm not saying you are fat). To that endm you may also want to look into some harder bushing for your trucks.
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Gear Madness #1:
Just got a Baker t-funk 8.75 x 32 after riding a hockey 8.75 x 32.612 and the baker feels so tiny and I dont feel like I have any room, board feel and I keep landing on my nose with flip tricks, cant lock as well on crooked grinds and basically just less control. I feel like its ridiculous because it's only .612" shorter but it really feels like its messing up my skating.
I feel like it should just get some getting used to I've only had two sessions on it so far and there are some advantages (its a lot lighter). basically just need some info on the benefits of a shorter board/ shorter wheelbase/ less concave[close]
I don't know Baker boards that well, but what's the wheel base on that? I'm guessing 14.25". IMHO, at 6'5" you shouldn't be anywhere NEAR a 14.25" wb deck. I would say 14.5" at the least, and prolly closer to 14.62" or 14.75". Remember that decks are mostly made with the ratios of a normal person in mind. You are not normal. So the concept of a "short" (wheelbase) is going to be relative to you, not relative to average sized boards. A board that is too short forces your feet too close together, and compromises your stability and ability to move in a normal fashion. Yeah, people can kickflip penny boards, but they won't do it with as much control and command as a board that more properly fits their stature. If I had to suggest a deck for you, I'd say start with the DLX (Real, Anti-Hero, Krooked) 8.75" with a 14.62" wheelbase (the white Anti-Hero eagle, and assorted other Krooked and Anti-Hero graphics), and see how that feels. It still night be too cramped for you! Get rid of that 14.25 deck!
Not to further your madness, but I also always tell people who are just starting, or coming back, to get Forged Indys. Why? Because they are the perfect "middle ground" truck. Don't ride as loose as Ace, not as tight as Thunder/Venture. Also, if you're a big guy, that means you might also be on the heavier side of things (no, I'm not saying you are fat). To that endm you may also want to look into some harder bushing for your trucks.[close]
@tzhangdox is taller than that dude and has skated many sub 32" decks really well. Depends on the person and what they want.
I watched this and bought a digital level/angle finder. Someone tell me I'm not alone. Surely this will fix all my problems.
Re: correlation between height, weight and board dimensions: I have this pet theory that people who come back from a significant hiatus generally do better on bigger set-ups. I've certainly experienced it myself, and I've also seen it with a bunch of others. Skaters who never stopped usually don't stray too far from their comfort zone once they've established one. Ymmv, of course. But I don't think it's a bad idea to err on the side of bigger for a comeback.
I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....
I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.
I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.[close]
Unless I'm missing something, won't both the Indy forged baseplates and Thunders bring me closer to the ground, which I don't want. I guess Slappys will as well but it's only 1mm and most reports people say they get less wheelbite on Slappys than the 1mm taller Indy standards.
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.[close]
Unless I'm missing something, won't both the Indy forged baseplates and Thunders bring me closer to the ground, which I don't want. I guess Slappys will as well but it's only 1mm and most reports people say they get less wheelbite on Slappys than the 1mm taller Indy standards.[close]
Yeah, I am little confused on that advice, too.
Forged Indy: 53.5mm
Cast Indy: 55mm tall
If wheel bite is an issue, with all other factors remaining the same, lowering your truck height is going to make problem worse, not better.
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.[close]
Unless I'm missing something, won't both the Indy forged baseplates and Thunders bring me closer to the ground, which I don't want. I guess Slappys will as well but it's only 1mm and most reports people say they get less wheelbite on Slappys than the 1mm taller Indy standards.[close]
Yeah, I am little confused on that advice, too.
Forged Indy: 53.5mm
Cast Indy: 55mm tall
If wheel bite is an issue, with all other factors remaining the same, lowering your truck height is going to make problem worse, not better.[close]
i thought the same thing tho, re: forged indy’s being the correct move. probably in part because of @Sedition and @BeachChicken saying that forged indy’s are good. @Osage also mentioned something like ‘a little high off the ground’. and thunders are lower than regular indys, by a bit. sooooo.
respectfully.
were you riding 56s with the thunders? because indy’s do not bite wheels as much as thunders do. maybe you are doing what i do and changing too many things at once: wheels and trucks, maybe new shoes etc etc.
159s are the shit, trying the other bushings sounds like a good first step, then dropping wheel size. cast indy’s with risers is some skyscraper shit i cannot handle those heights
...cast indy’s with risers is some skyscraper shit i cannot handle those heights
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...cast indy’s with risers is some skyscraper shit i cannot handle those heights[close]
TRUE WORDS!!!!!!
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.[close]
Unless I'm missing something, won't both the Indy forged baseplates and Thunders bring me closer to the ground, which I don't want. I guess Slappys will as well but it's only 1mm and most reports people say they get less wheelbite on Slappys than the 1mm taller Indy standards.
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.[close]
Unless I'm missing something, won't both the Indy forged baseplates and Thunders bring me closer to the ground, which I don't want. I guess Slappys will as well but it's only 1mm and most reports people say they get less wheelbite on Slappys than the 1mm taller Indy standards.[close]
You said something about feeling a little high off the ground so I thought you wanted to be lower.
I was just suggesting a truck that would feel closer to what you were used to with the thunders.
Guess I misinterpreted the post. If wheelbite is really the issue here maybe go down in wheel size?
Personally, I've found recently that I like a lower setup than I previously thought and have have to go down in wheel size to accommodate slightly lower trucks.
Why don't you try a 93 in a smaller size for that park?
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I've got truck madness and it's driving me mad.
For a good while I was on Thunders 8.75s with a small riser. Wore out the most recent pair and got a set of Lurpiv's, which I hated. Then got a set of Ventures, which just aren't turney enough for me. Then old set of Indy Stage 7's for $10. They were fine but heavy so I traded them to a homie for a new set of Indy 159 Hollows, which I have been skating for a few weeks and liking. I ride the blue 92a bushings and the turn is perfect for me but I'm heavy and wheelbite is a little more than I'd like with 56mm wheels so I have 1/16" risers and feel a little high off the ground. I've been wanting to try Slappys because I've read that they're stable and turn a lot like an Indy and are harder to get wheelbite. I mean, I don't need new trucks. I like the Indys just fine and if I was a broke teenager, I wouldn't think about needing new trucks but I'm old and just got an unexpected $100 tip at work this morning and the first thing I think is, Ohhh, I can get Slappys and some med/hard Slappy busings for like $55 and still have more money than I did!
Do I need them? Will I just be chasing the truck dragon forever? Should I just stick with the Indys, which I'm mostly happy with. I know I'm overthinking.....[close]
Id say either go back to thunders or get some forged hollow 159 Indys.
You really just need the forged baseplates if you already have 159 hangers
I also second trying the Indy black bushings if you stay with them.[close]
Unless I'm missing something, won't both the Indy forged baseplates and Thunders bring me closer to the ground, which I don't want. I guess Slappys will as well but it's only 1mm and most reports people say they get less wheelbite on Slappys than the 1mm taller Indy standards.[close]
Yeah, I am little confused on that advice, too.
Forged Indy: 53.5mm
Cast Indy: 55mm tall
If wheel bite is an issue, with all other factors remaining the same, lowering your truck height is going to make problem worse, not better.
Try wheel wells. I skate 56 mm on loose Indy forged and never think about wheel bite at all
Wheelbite answer = Lurpiv
Just curious what kind of skating are you doing? Just carving around? Technical stuff? Bowls? Are you actually up on or above the coping?
I ask because I've skated Ocean Beach park, a place notorious for how rough it is, on 53mm X99, 53mm 93 Soft Sliders, and 54 99 F4 Radials. All were mostly fine with some pushing, but I'm only hitting shit 5' high or so. Unless you're carving fairly tall transition at a super fucked park I can't imagine 56 soft wheels not being sufficient. But, the fact that you seem to dislike all the trucks people use to skate transition tells me maybe there's more to the picture. Honestly trying to helps.
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Wheelbite answer = Lurpiv[close]
I tried them because so many people say that. Unfortunately, Lurpivs are useless for someone 250lbs. Just terrible wheelbite, even with Bones Hards, no matter what you do.
Expand QuoteJust curious what kind of skating are you doing? Just carving around? Technical stuff? Bowls? Are you actually up on or above the coping?
I ask because I've skated Ocean Beach park, a place notorious for how rough it is, on 53mm X99, 53mm 93 Soft Sliders, and 54 99 F4 Radials. All were mostly fine with some pushing, but I'm only hitting shit 5' high or so. Unless you're carving fairly tall transition at a super fucked park I can't imagine 56 soft wheels not being sufficient. But, the fact that you seem to dislike all the trucks people use to skate transition tells me maybe there's more to the picture. Honestly trying to helps.[close]
I'm not a great skater by any means but I skate probably 5 days a week and it's literally my favorite thing to do. I skate curbs fairly often. The skatepark I go to with the bad ground is 25 years old and has features that you just don't see on modern skateparks like moguls and random bumps and stuff. They're actually super fun to skate. They added a bowl maybe 10 years ago and the ground in it is much better but it's poorly designed and basically nobody skates it, which is a bummer. It's too tight for me to do anything in. I spend a lot of time there on a smallish 1/4 pipe that flows to a manual pad. I'm old and heavy so I'm just not flipping my board. I skate a 3.5' wooden mini ramp fairly regularly and I just absolutely love it. This is probably my favorite thing to skate. I also do like to just roll around going up and down ramps etc... I guess I'm just sort of a basic old fat skater not doing anything impressive or even that difficult.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust curious what kind of skating are you doing? Just carving around? Technical stuff? Bowls? Are you actually up on or above the coping?
I ask because I've skated Ocean Beach park, a place notorious for how rough it is, on 53mm X99, 53mm 93 Soft Sliders, and 54 99 F4 Radials. All were mostly fine with some pushing, but I'm only hitting shit 5' high or so. Unless you're carving fairly tall transition at a super fucked park I can't imagine 56 soft wheels not being sufficient. But, the fact that you seem to dislike all the trucks people use to skate transition tells me maybe there's more to the picture. Honestly trying to helps.[close]
I'm not a great skater by any means but I skate probably 5 days a week and it's literally my favorite thing to do. I skate curbs fairly often. The skatepark I go to with the bad ground is 25 years old and has features that you just don't see on modern skateparks like moguls and random bumps and stuff. They're actually super fun to skate. They added a bowl maybe 10 years ago and the ground in it is much better but it's poorly designed and basically nobody skates it, which is a bummer. It's too tight for me to do anything in. I spend a lot of time there on a smallish 1/4 pipe that flows to a manual pad. I'm old and heavy so I'm just not flipping my board. I skate a 3.5' wooden mini ramp fairly regularly and I just absolutely love it. This is probably my favorite thing to skate. I also do like to just roll around going up and down ramps etc... I guess I'm just sort of a basic old fat skater not doing anything impressive or even that difficult.[close]
I know you mentioned your weight. That might be something to work on as well but it sounds like your best option is to go with something with wheel wells maybe, wax them a lot, use harder bushings. There just aren't that many truck options in the end. I'd actually suggest trying Ventures with or without a riser. Bushings made for Indy's fit and when you bite with them it's very gradual compared to a Thunder.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust curious what kind of skating are you doing? Just carving around? Technical stuff? Bowls? Are you actually up on or above the coping?
I ask because I've skated Ocean Beach park, a place notorious for how rough it is, on 53mm X99, 53mm 93 Soft Sliders, and 54 99 F4 Radials. All were mostly fine with some pushing, but I'm only hitting shit 5' high or so. Unless you're carving fairly tall transition at a super fucked park I can't imagine 56 soft wheels not being sufficient. But, the fact that you seem to dislike all the trucks people use to skate transition tells me maybe there's more to the picture. Honestly trying to helps.[close]
I'm not a great skater by any means but I skate probably 5 days a week and it's literally my favorite thing to do. I skate curbs fairly often. The skatepark I go to with the bad ground is 25 years old and has features that you just don't see on modern skateparks like moguls and random bumps and stuff. They're actually super fun to skate. They added a bowl maybe 10 years ago and the ground in it is much better but it's poorly designed and basically nobody skates it, which is a bummer. It's too tight for me to do anything in. I spend a lot of time there on a smallish 1/4 pipe that flows to a manual pad. I'm old and heavy so I'm just not flipping my board. I skate a 3.5' wooden mini ramp fairly regularly and I just absolutely love it. This is probably my favorite thing to skate. I also do like to just roll around going up and down ramps etc... I guess I'm just sort of a basic old fat skater not doing anything impressive or even that difficult.[close]
I know you mentioned your weight. That might be something to work on as well but it sounds like your best option is to go with something with wheel wells maybe, wax them a lot, use harder bushings. There just aren't that many truck options in the end. I'd actually suggest trying Ventures with or without a riser. Bushings made for Indy's fit and when you bite with them it's very gradual compared to a Thunder.[close]
Thanks. I've actually lost about 65lbs in the last 2 years from eating a little better and skating all the time. I still lose about 2lbs a month and it feels great. It's a really nice pace and I'm not like starving myself or anything. Hoping to be at 200lbs in 2 years.
I don't love the turn or Ventures unfortunately.
I'm really hooked on the BBS 8.62 shape right now and literally nobody is making it with wheels wells. Polar did a while back but I can't find one anywhere. Back when I skated shaped boards I loved wheel wells so I think that's probably my answer. I kind of hate the way they look, especially DIY but I guess who cares. I do like full height Indys a lot and honestly, If I added some wheels wells and got rid of the risers, I'd probably be all set.
Problem literally solved. Thanks everyone.
I added wheel wells to this new deck this morning at work. They don't look perfect but work great. Set it up after work with no risers and the 56mm Dragons and Indy Hollow 159's. They have nicely broken in blue/92 med/hard bushings and with the wheel wells I got zero wheel bite in the 1/2 hour I had to skate after work. Right at the end I tried to get wheel bite and was able to but it was difficult and minimal. I was in heaven riding this around. Also, I was able to loosen the trucks a hair so they are the perfect balance of stable and turnie.
(https://i.ibb.co/VWxG5vn0/thumbnail.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y7XSwtn4)
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I added wheel wells to this new deck this morning at work. They don't look perfect but work great. Set it up after work with no risers and the 56mm Dragons and Indy Hollow 159's. They have nicely broken in blue/92 med/hard bushings and with the wheel wells I got zero wheel bite in the 1/2 hour I had to skate after work. Right at the end I tried to get wheel bite and was able to but it was difficult and minimal. I was in heaven riding this around. Also, I was able to loosen the trucks a hair so they are the perfect balance of stable and turnie.
(https://i.ibb.co/VWxG5vn0/thumbnail.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y7XSwtn4)[close]
Nice what did you use to make the wheel wells? I saw another thread somebody used a wood rasp and there was talks about sealing the freshly exposed wood. Sick deck too
Between Thunder 147 Hollow lights, Royal 139's and Venture 5.0 lows I'm absolutely lost and feel uncomfortable on all of them. Wtf.
Between Thunder 147 Hollow lights, Royal 139's and Venture 5.0 lows I'm absolutely lost and feel uncomfortable on all of them. Wtf.
Damn, I respect the attention to detail and feel more sane after reading that. I really can barely tell a difference between 144 and 149 except maybe for a few flip tricks.
Just some random gear stuff / comments / experiences of recent...
I've mentioned my DLX 8.25 / 14.38 has been feeling really small to me the last few months. I've mostly been riding my 8.75 / 14.5 BLKLBL, which is fine for everything but some flip tricks. I've been liking it so much, that I started to consider giving away some of my remaining 8.25 gear. Well, today, for kicks, I decided to throw 149s on the 8.25 (normally ride 144s on it). WOW. I was not expecting it to have the impact it did. Deck felt a bit wider, more stable, turned better (well the turn just felt better), and everything just felt better under my feet. I skated for about an hour, and then put the 144s back on...and hated them. Board suddenly felt way, way too small again (esp. f/s 5-0 grinds (tranny), and doing pivot, feeble, and 50/50 to fakie on tranny...and oddly, b/s grinds on ledges). Put the 149s back on after awhile, and things felt better again. About a year ago I had tried 149s on the 8.25 and hated them. Clearly my proclivities are starting to go towards larger set-ups (I know, I am getting old), and I think riding the 8.75 opened the door for 149s on the 8.25. Looks like I am now back to perseverating over two set-ups again, as opposed to just one. Joy.
Expand QuoteJust some random gear stuff / comments / experiences of recent...
I've mentioned my DLX 8.25 / 14.38 has been feeling really small to me the last few months. I've mostly been riding my 8.75 / 14.5 BLKLBL, which is fine for everything but some flip tricks. I've been liking it so much, that I started to consider giving away some of my remaining 8.25 gear. Well, today, for kicks, I decided to throw 149s on the 8.25 (normally ride 144s on it). WOW. I was not expecting it to have the impact it did. Deck felt a bit wider, more stable, turned better (well the turn just felt better), and everything just felt better under my feet. I skated for about an hour, and then put the 144s back on...and hated them. Board suddenly felt way, way too small again (esp. f/s 5-0 grinds (tranny), and doing pivot, feeble, and 50/50 to fakie on tranny...and oddly, b/s grinds on ledges). Put the 149s back on after awhile, and things felt better again. About a year ago I had tried 149s on the 8.25 and hated them. Clearly my proclivities are starting to go towards larger set-ups (I know, I am getting old), and I think riding the 8.75 opened the door for 149s on the 8.25. Looks like I am now back to perseverating over two set-ups again, as opposed to just one. Joy.[close]
I was on 149's on 8.5 boards for like 15 years straight. Tried the 144's when they came out, also on an 8.5 and didn't like them. I could appreciate the "tippy" nature of it in the way that it seemed easier to initiate flip tricks and flip them quicker. I didn't appreciate the magic carpet ride and less stable/more twitchy feeling. And anyways, for me it's harder to slow down a fast flip, but easier to just add a little effort to a slow flip. Went back to 149's, but started skating 8.25 decks on them, and I love it. I still skate 8.5's too. Mainly blue eagles and "og mellow" bakers.
Which leads me to where I am now, skating 159's with risers and 60mm wheels on an 8.5. last time I had these trucks and wheels was 5 years ago, and I had them on a shaped 9-something inch deck and had a great time, but had to sell off some stuff when I relocated across the country in my van. Now I can mix and match to my heart's content and still have some consistency. 2-board quiver ftw. I say that now, but I still wanna set up a 7.75 with 48mm wheels and venture lows... and I still have to build my crazy 66mm-wheel dirt/rain cruiser..
One benefit of having multiple setups is I can pass wheels down to other boards as they get smaller, and buy less wheels.
Just some random gear stuff / comments / experiences of recent...
I've mentioned my DLX 8.25 / 14.38 has been feeling really small to me the last few months. I've mostly been riding my 8.75 / 14.5 BLKLBL, which is fine for everything but some flip tricks. I've been liking it so much, that I started to consider giving away some of my remaining 8.25 gear. Well, today, for kicks, I decided to throw 149s on the 8.25 (normally ride 144s on it). WOW. I was not expecting it to have the impact it did. Deck felt a bit wider, more stable, turned better (well the turn just felt better), and everything just felt better under my feet. I skated for about an hour, and then put the 144s back on...and hated them. Board suddenly felt way, way too small again (esp. f/s 5-0 grinds (tranny), and doing pivot, feeble, and 50/50 to fakie on tranny...and oddly, b/s grinds on ledges). Put the 149s back on after awhile, and things felt better again. About a year ago I had tried 149s on the 8.25 and hated them. Clearly my proclivities are starting to go towards larger set-ups (I know, I am getting old), and I think riding the 8.75 opened the door for 149s on the 8.25. Looks like I am now back to perseverating over two set-ups again, as opposed to just one. Joy.
Expand QuoteJust some random gear stuff / comments / experiences of recent...
I've mentioned my DLX 8.25 / 14.38 has been feeling really small to me the last few months. I've mostly been riding my 8.75 / 14.5 BLKLBL, which is fine for everything but some flip tricks. I've been liking it so much, that I started to consider giving away some of my remaining 8.25 gear. Well, today, for kicks, I decided to throw 149s on the 8.25 (normally ride 144s on it). WOW. I was not expecting it to have the impact it did. Deck felt a bit wider, more stable, turned better (well the turn just felt better), and everything just felt better under my feet. I skated for about an hour, and then put the 144s back on...and hated them. Board suddenly felt way, way too small again (esp. f/s 5-0 grinds (tranny), and doing pivot, feeble, and 50/50 to fakie on tranny...and oddly, b/s grinds on ledges). Put the 149s back on after awhile, and things felt better again. About a year ago I had tried 149s on the 8.25 and hated them. Clearly my proclivities are starting to go towards larger set-ups (I know, I am getting old), and I think riding the 8.75 opened the door for 149s on the 8.25. Looks like I am now back to perseverating over two set-ups again, as opposed to just one. Joy.[close]
I remember loving 149s on 8.25"s. I was mad for years that there were no 8.25" axle trucks but I realized having the trucks slightly wider than the deck works pretty damn well, especially at that size. I'm about to revisit that theory but with 8.75" axle trucks on 8.62" decks...
I've been saying this for ages. 149 on 8.25 board unlocks a realm of happiness.Expand QuoteJust some random gear stuff / comments / experiences of recent...
I've mentioned my DLX 8.25 / 14.38 has been feeling really small to me the last few months. I've mostly been riding my 8.75 / 14.5 BLKLBL, which is fine for everything but some flip tricks. I've been liking it so much, that I started to consider giving away some of my remaining 8.25 gear. Well, today, for kicks, I decided to throw 149s on the 8.25 (normally ride 144s on it). WOW. I was not expecting it to have the impact it did. Deck felt a bit wider, more stable, turned better (well the turn just felt better), and everything just felt better under my feet. I skated for about an hour, and then put the 144s back on...and hated them. Board suddenly felt way, way too small again (esp. f/s 5-0 grinds (tranny), and doing pivot, feeble, and 50/50 to fakie on tranny...and oddly, b/s grinds on ledges). Put the 149s back on after awhile, and things felt better again. About a year ago I had tried 149s on the 8.25 and hated them. Clearly my proclivities are starting to go towards larger set-ups (I know, I am getting old), and I think riding the 8.75 opened the door for 149s on the 8.25. Looks like I am now back to perseverating over two set-ups again, as opposed to just one. Joy.[close]
I remember loving 149s on 8.25"s. I was mad for years that there were no 8.25" axle trucks but I realized having the trucks slightly wider than the deck works pretty damn well, especially at that size. I'm about to revisit that theory but with 8.75" axle trucks on 8.62" decks...
I've been saying this for ages. 149 on 8.25 board unlocks a realm of happiness.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust some random gear stuff / comments / experiences of recent...
I've mentioned my DLX 8.25 / 14.38 has been feeling really small to me the last few months. I've mostly been riding my 8.75 / 14.5 BLKLBL, which is fine for everything but some flip tricks. I've been liking it so much, that I started to consider giving away some of my remaining 8.25 gear. Well, today, for kicks, I decided to throw 149s on the 8.25 (normally ride 144s on it). WOW. I was not expecting it to have the impact it did. Deck felt a bit wider, more stable, turned better (well the turn just felt better), and everything just felt better under my feet. I skated for about an hour, and then put the 144s back on...and hated them. Board suddenly felt way, way too small again (esp. f/s 5-0 grinds (tranny), and doing pivot, feeble, and 50/50 to fakie on tranny...and oddly, b/s grinds on ledges). Put the 149s back on after awhile, and things felt better again. About a year ago I had tried 149s on the 8.25 and hated them. Clearly my proclivities are starting to go towards larger set-ups (I know, I am getting old), and I think riding the 8.75 opened the door for 149s on the 8.25. Looks like I am now back to perseverating over two set-ups again, as opposed to just one. Joy.[close]
I remember loving 149s on 8.25"s. I was mad for years that there were no 8.25" axle trucks but I realized having the trucks slightly wider than the deck works pretty damn well, especially at that size. I'm about to revisit that theory but with 8.75" axle trucks on 8.62" decks...[close]
Just realized my setup is perfect for me but the lack of gear madness makes the setup a little boringDon't touch that setup and instead waste money on an egg board
What are good board recommendations for a tech skater on Venture Lows? Is the consensus flatter boards (like Flight decks or Real SE) are a better time? I’m running through some Girl boards right now which I like the feel of, I’m just finding that they’re sogging out fastDepends how strong your legs are. But if you can pop comfortably on girl tails and nose, from my experience bbs boards will feel soggy compared to china epoxy boards. Palace board 8 with 14 wb is good too. Palace 7.75 is fucking great.
I was thinking it'd be cool to build a quiver of boards from different eras
My phone's dying but this is a really rough idea
I was thinking it'd be cool to build a quiver of boards from different eras
My phone's dying but this is a really rough idea
70's - skinny
- single kick, bennett trucks? Indy 109's? Tail skid plate... Translucent "road rider" style wheels ~54-56mm, g&s style?
Late 70's/early 80's? - Wide
- single kick, wide pig style board, 215's? Kryptonics-style wheels.. 60mm? Tail skid plate.. Dogtown, Santa cruz?
Mid-Late 80's? Wide w/ all the plastic, bones brigade style
- powell pig style board, plastic rails, nose and tail guards, bones 64mm wheels, 9" stage 4's? super gritty grip..
Early 90's shaped double kick, Jason lee style, ~90, '91?
- double kick, "fishtail" style, no plastic, 169's, ~56mm OG classic-style wheels or lock-ins?
BPSW era, ~92-93?
- 8.75 football, 149's, ~42mm wheels
Earlier popsicle era, 94 on?
- venture lows, 48mm wheels, 7.5-7.75" deck?
East coast 90s popsicle style?
- 8.5 deck and trucks, 60mm wheels
Maybe the last two don't matter so much idk
Sounds like a colossal waste of money for a few minutes of novelty on each but still spending the vast majority of your time on your main.
Here's my experience:
90's/early 2000's popsicle with low trucks and small wheels: fun to do low speed flip tricks or skate small ledges, gets stiff feeling and limited the faster you go.
Egg/shaped early 90's. More fun than the one above but always feels subpar compared to a modern popsicle especially if you skate nollie/fakie with any pop and also like nose sliding things.
Weird novelty things like polarizers and micros: fun for a few minutes for shits and giggles, not anything you'd grab and go skate.
Considering the cost of gear you're spending a lot to have a ton you won't use.
Sounds like a colossal waste of money for a few minutes of novelty on each but still spending the vast majority of your time on your main.
The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."
How many days do you have? I am at like 7.
The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."40 days in here since 26.4
How many days do you have? I am at like 7.
The most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."
How many days do you have? I am at like 7.
Expand QuoteThe most recent Ben DeGros video...he talks about "60 Days Sober from Setup Madness." I like the idea of "X Days of Madness Sobriety."
How many days do you have? I am at like 7.[close]
Ha! One day at a time.
I'm at about a month now with my DLX 8.25 x 14.38 // Venture cast 5.6 // Spit 55 new duro 97 Radials.
Haven't felt this comfortable all around in a long time.
Madness looms, though, as I've got plans to set up a Baker b16 shape with Indy cast 149s....
I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.
I'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.I was awake for a while. Went back to independent and started skating better and progressing faster.
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It's ok to scratch the itch. Ventures will feel even better again once you go back to them after the initial "whoa" and the sequential "meh" of any other trucks.
I was awake for a while. Went back to independent and started skating better and progressing faster.Expand QuoteI'm struggling to stay AWAKE after riding Ventures and 1 deck shape for close to 2 years, nothing wrong just the itch to try Indys or Royal again.[close]
…54mm to 60mm
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…54mm to 60mm[close]
That’s a crazy toleration window. 2mm off on my wheel size, I am going full hissy.
I prefer a slightly tighter Indy to a looser Venture most of the time.
Need some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.
Expand QuoteNeed some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.[close]
Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNeed some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.[close]
Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).[close]
Any information about steepness? Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNeed some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.[close]
Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).[close]
Any information about steepness? Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)[close]
Do you know what Roman Numeral you had?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNeed some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.[close]
Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).[close]
Any information about steepness? Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)[close]
Do you know what Roman Numeral you had?[close]
The Chinese ones don't have numbers, they're single press.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNeed some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.[close]
Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).[close]
Any information about steepness? Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)
I ride Spitfire 52mm Conicals for a few years now. Yesterday morning I woke up and want to ride some Classics again. But I mostly skate crusty streets and rough skateparks, that's why I chose the Conicals. But I want the Classics to perform similar on shitty grounds and cracks, but with easier flips.
If I want to skate Classics again, should I get them in 52mm too? It's either 52 or 53 because 54 felt a bit too big the last time I tried those. What do the pals think about the Conicals VS Classics?
I ride Spitfire 52mm Conicals for a few years now. Yesterday morning I woke up and want to ride some Classics again. But I mostly skate crusty streets and rough skateparks, that's why I chose the Conicals. But I want the Classics to perform similar on shitty grounds and cracks, but with easier flips.
If I want to skate Classics again, should I get them in 52mm too? It's either 52 or 53 because 54 felt a bit too big the last time I tried those. What do the pals think about the Conicals VS Classics?
Expand QuoteI ride Spitfire 52mm Conicals for a few years now. Yesterday morning I woke up and want to ride some Classics again. But I mostly skate crusty streets and rough skateparks, that's why I chose the Conicals. But I want the Classics to perform similar on shitty grounds and cracks, but with easier flips.
If I want to skate Classics again, should I get them in 52mm too? It's either 52 or 53 because 54 felt a bit too big the last time I tried those. What do the pals think about the Conicals VS Classics?[close]
52mm Classics cross some kind of "too small" line for me once outside of a pristine skate park. 53mm is my go-to. And yes, 54mm seems to big for me, too. That said, Classics just wont be a smooth as a wider contact patch wheel on Crust. Could also try Radials.
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Radial is definitely the middle ground, still has rounded edges but has a wider riding surface, so it works well for (almost) everything for most people. Had to put the almost in there, because some people still find they catch or drag a bit more, especially if they are used to Classics, but the rounded profile is the main thing here.
They also come in 52, 53 and 54 mm sizes, which for the most part are fairly easily available, so a 53 mm size wheel will last longer than 52, but not feel as big or chunky as a 54 mm wheel. Might be excessive logic, but it is noticeable the steps up from one size to another.
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Radial is definitely the middle ground, still has rounded edges but has a wider riding surface, so it works well for (almost) everything for most people. Had to put the almost in there, because some people still find they catch or drag a bit more, especially if they are used to Classics, but the rounded profile is the main thing here.
They also come in 52, 53 and 54 mm sizes, which for the most part are fairly easily available, so a 53 mm size wheel will last longer than 52, but not feel as big or chunky as a 54 mm wheel. Might be excessive logic, but it is noticeable the steps up from one size to another.[close]
I am “one of those people.” My biggest beef with Radials, coming from Classics, is how big/clunky/weighty they are (hence the constant wish / pipe dream for the return of Radial Slims). They do “train track” a little (more than Classics), but no where near as bad as Conicals, Tablets, etc. All this said, they are good middle ground between Classics and Full Connies.
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Radial is definitely the middle ground, still has rounded edges but has a wider riding surface, so it works well for (almost) everything for most people. Had to put the almost in there, because some people still find they catch or drag a bit more, especially if they are used to Classics, but the rounded profile is the main thing here.
They also come in 52, 53 and 54 mm sizes, which for the most part are fairly easily available, so a 53 mm size wheel will last longer than 52, but not feel as big or chunky as a 54 mm wheel. Might be excessive logic, but it is noticeable the steps up from one size to another.[close]
I am “one of those people.” My biggest beef with Radials, coming from Classics, is how big/clunky/weighty they are (hence the constant wish / pipe dream for the return of Radial Slims). They do “train track” a little (more than Classics), but no where near as bad as Conicals, Tablets, etc. All this said, they are good middle ground between Classics and Full Connies.[close]
And just because we are in the madness thread, here's me over here with a half dozen sets of 55 and 56 mm Classics, taking them down to 52 - 53 mm very much like a fat little Classic Full and thinking why didn't I do this a long time ago?!?
But really I do prefer Classics, just not so much when they are new, but once they have worn down a few mm, so the wider 55 and 56 and even 58 mm once taken down a few mm are way more comfortable for me.
Radials were the middle ground, but really I still like the rounder edge of Classics, so I rounded off some Radials too, which also work better now. Apart from that, I think some of these older Conical Full wheels I have rounded down would almost be better recycled into Lil Smokies, but if it wasn't such a massive cost to ship them back over to USA, I would happily take down any number of wheels into Radial Slim shapes to send to anyone who wanted them.
That said, anyone super keen could start to practice on some old wheels to make their own from other shapes. It does work and is pretty easy once people get the hang of it. Of course, spending that much time on something like that, it is easier to just buy Classics and be done, for a number of people I know and talk to in person, so maybe I am in the minority when I like to modify most things on my setups.
There's some Bighead F4s coming. Not quite Classic Fulls but getting closer.
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You have my attention. :)
A 56mm Classic worn down to 55mm might be the best all around wheel shape and size ever.
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I'm currently on some Classic 58s worn to about 56mm... just getting good.
I've taken classic 58s down to 50 before retiring them in the past. you have to be diligent with rotation to keep them looking even and equal size.
Those called "Repeaters" aren't indeed classics full?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNeed some advice. For the last 2 years I've been riding creatures 8.6 shape with the 14.6 wheelbase. I've tried some smaller boards and shorter wheelbases here and there and realised, short wheelbase does nothing for me and I don't like flat kicks.
Any advice for similar shapes? Maybe a little bit more tail & concave over the wheels.[close]
Try the DLX 8.75 with a 14.62 wb. DLX board come with a roman numeral stamped over the front truck holes (I, II. III and IV). "IV" is the flattest, and "I" is the steepest.deepest (with II and III in between).[close]
Any information about steepness? Bought an 8.38 anti hero last year and was disappointed how flat it was compared to the nhs kicks (I think it was a Chinese one, Sticker was centered between bolt holes)[close]
The funniest thing is the 8.38 size does actually seem like the most mellow of all, as I have a lot of them.
That said, if you are like me in Australia (or anywhere else in the world) where DLX China boards are becoming the norm and BBS is being phased out, there are still a few, such as the AH white eagle, which as mentioned above is maybe the closest to that size, which is still BBS.
Compared to NHS concaves, though, I think a number of board brands might take some getting used to, which is why I hadn't made comment earlier, but for me the NHS concave is way too steep, so it is all relative. On the other hand, sometimes trying something and then getting used to it over time could work better. One thing I could never appreciate, as per a number of other people was the NHS boards had such short tails. The white eagle is a little longer than average in the tail in that regard.
Even checking out the Cardiel 8.62 shape could be an option, which has 14.5 / 14.6 wb and reasonable / normal kicks.
Also Black Label and a few other brands use the BBS / Generator shapes which are sometimes quite steep, which might also be of interest, also good length kicks, but then it really depends on what is around. There are so few Black Label boards here in AU it seems.
* The DLX China 8.75 (which has the same dimensions) might be good enough over time as it is very stiff, like the NHS boards, so might feel a little more normal in terms of pop, compared to BBS or PS Stix or other woodshops. There is the Doobie fishing graphic out at the moment, plus a few older graphics still in most shops I have seen.
(https://i.imgur.com/IVTvogP.jpeg)
I was very ok madness wise until somebody posted something like "madness free for x days" and from my here it started for me in the most hardcore way.
So...
On this board (great shape btw) I had: Tensor Mag Lights, Indy hollows and now AF1 (all in their 8.5 variant)
Hated the mag lights because I felt I had no control even while pushing so I went back to Indy and it's ok but obvsly the "what if" popped up so why not try again Ace? I'll be able to skate them tomorrow or Wednesday and then I'll decide between Ace Or Indy finally.
This one is 8.25 x 14.125. Not really interested in getting trucks wider than 8.5Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/IVTvogP.jpeg)
I was very ok madness wise until somebody posted something like "madness free for x days" and from my here it started for me in the most hardcore way.
So...
On this board (great shape btw) I had: Tensor Mag Lights, Indy hollows and now AF1 (all in their 8.5 variant)
Hated the mag lights because I felt I had no control even while pushing so I went back to Indy and it's ok but obvsly the "what if" popped up so why not try again Ace? I'll be able to skate them tomorrow or Wednesday and then I'll decide between Ace Or Indy finally.[close]
I agree, great shape, I have the variant without wheel wells. To mix it up a bit, why not try AF1 60s? I feel like the 14.38 wb and 8.75 axles provide nice stability without being too hefty for my taste. Obviously then wheels need to be thin unless you like hot rod.
This one is 8.25 x 14.125. Not really interesting in getting trucks wider than 8.5
Then I'm the Dustin Dollin of gear madness. I don't have a problem, I'm just having fun. I could easily stop trying different stuff every other session. I just don't want to.
…and now at least I get a feel for what other stuff is like so when people ask, I can actually have a fairly good reply with experience, not just parrot what someone else has said online about something, the way I have heard other shop guys do in the past at some places.
Somebody has to take the bullet for all of you guys.QuoteExpand Quote
…and now at least I get a feel for what other stuff is like so when people ask, I can actually have a fairly good reply with experience, not just parrot what someone else has said online about something, the way I have heard other shop guys do in the past at some places.[close]
This. This is unquestionably the biggest “benefit” of gear madness, at least for me.
The people in this thread have a lot of hands-on knowledge about how various hardware components perform, and that’s good info have when others are asking questions.
Somebody has to take the bullet for all of you guys.Expand QuoteQuoteExpand Quote
…and now at least I get a feel for what other stuff is like so when people ask, I can actually have a fairly good reply with experience, not just parrot what someone else has said online about something, the way I have heard other shop guys do in the past at some places.[close]
This. This is unquestionably the biggest “benefit” of gear madness, at least for me.
The people in this thread have a lot of hands-on knowledge about how various hardware components perform, and that’s good info have when others are asking questions.[close]
Gotta justify my shopping addiction / gear madness somehow.Somebody has to take the bullet for all of you guys.Expand QuoteQuoteExpand Quote
…and now at least I get a feel for what other stuff is like so when people ask, I can actually have a fairly good reply with experience, not just parrot what someone else has said online about something, the way I have heard other shop guys do in the past at some places.[close]
This. This is unquestionably the biggest “benefit” of gear madness, at least for me.
The people in this thread have a lot of hands-on knowledge about how various hardware components perform, and that’s good info have when others are asking questions.[close]
Not unexpectedly, my honeymoon with the Baker b16 paired with Indy cast 149s has not survived without running into some insecurity issues. Admittedly unsurprisingly my pop consistency (which isn't world class anyway) has been dwindling. I hate it when I have to make an expedition of searching for my back foot position. The georaphical area seems vast all of a sudden and there be monsters.
While the b16 setup wasn't looking, I secretly put my trusty old Venture cast 5.6 + DLX 8.25 complete back together and most f*cking definitely will be sipping from that bottle soon to see if the grass on the other side was indeed merely projected as being greener.
Got myself another 8.6. The "new" 8.6 shape with the shorter 14.25 wheelbase. When on top of the 14.6 wb version I can see it's the exact same shape just shorter.
Interesting thing is, I didn't need much time to adjust or disliked it instantly (happened to many times) so I think sometimes wheelbase doesn't matter. It seems like kicks/concave shouldn't be ignored
just bouger a deck from my local shop. The deck is 31.8" long with a 14.25 wheelbase, and it's an 8.0. It has a concave that's a bit more than medium, but not quite high. What do you think would be the best trucks for it : Thunder 147 Standards or indys forged Hollows 139? I sometimes switch between the two, although I’ve skated Indys a lot more. I’m wondering, considering the length and wheelbase, which ones would be better.
Expand Quotejust bouger a deck from my local shop. The deck is 31.8" long with a 14.25 wheelbase, and it's an 8.0. It has a concave that's a bit more than medium, but not quite high. What do you think would be the best trucks for it : Thunder 147 Standards or indys forged Hollows 139? I sometimes switch between the two, although I’ve skated Indys a lot more. I’m wondering, considering the length and wheelbase, which ones would be better.[close]
Thunder
Expand QuoteExpand Quotejust bouger a deck from my local shop. The deck is 31.8" long with a 14.25 wheelbase, and it's an 8.0. It has a concave that's a bit more than medium, but not quite high. What do you think would be the best trucks for it : Thunder 147 Standards or indys forged Hollows 139? I sometimes switch between the two, although I’ve skated Indys a lot more. I’m wondering, considering the length and wheelbase, which ones would be better.[close]
Thunder[close]
I need more details, please! I'd like to point out that I'm quite short (5'7"), and I'm really looking for the option that would be best for my height!
just bouger a deck from my local shop. The deck is 31.8" long with a 14.25 wheelbase, and it's an 8.0. It has a concave that's a bit more than medium, but not quite high. What do you think would be the best trucks for it : Thunder 147 Standards or indys forged Hollows 139? I sometimes switch between the two, although I’ve skated Indys a lot more. I’m wondering, considering the length and wheelbase, which ones would be better.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotejust bouger a deck from my local shop. The deck is 31.8" long with a 14.25 wheelbase, and it's an 8.0. It has a concave that's a bit more than medium, but not quite high. What do you think would be the best trucks for it : Thunder 147 Standards or indys forged Hollows 139? I sometimes switch between the two, although I’ve skated Indys a lot more. I’m wondering, considering the length and wheelbase, which ones would be better.[close]
Thunder[close]
I need more details, please! I'd like to point out that I'm quite short (5'7"), and I'm really looking for the option that would be best for my height!
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Got myself another 8.6. The "new" 8.6 shape with the shorter 14.25 wheelbase. When on top of the 14.6 wb version I can see it's the exact same shape just shorter.
Interesting thing is, I didn't need much time to adjust or disliked it instantly (happened to many times) so I think sometimes wheelbase doesn't matter. It seems like kicks/concave shouldn't be ignored[close]
I had meant to reply to this the other day, but thought I would let you have at least a week to skate the shorter board and see if it still worked or if something just didn't add up for you.
Finding a few other longer wheelbase boards I can use the drilled in trucks on so I can have a medium wheelbase and a little bit longer tail, I am trying another DLX 8.5 soon to see how this new shape works.
Working with board concave you are used to, eg for you Creature / NHS and for me DLX / BBS is the main thing to make things start out right.
I need help. I have perfectly fine 52mm x99’s V1 shape worn down to 51mm… and they’re nice and seasoned with dirt and grime so they have some skirrrrt to them instead of that silence when new.
I’m getting itchy looking at new 53mm wheels in a V5 shape.
I don’t NEED them… just want them…
Nothing wrong with the wheels I have at home. They skate great.
But I do need help…
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I’m getting itchy looking at new 53mm wheels in a V5 shape.
I don’t NEED them… just want them…
Nothing wrong with the wheels I have at home. They skate great.
But I do need help…[close]
Do you want to help this flailing economy or not?!?
This one is 8.25 x 14.125. Not really interested in getting trucks wider than 8.5Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/IVTvogP.jpeg)
I was very ok madness wise until somebody posted something like "madness free for x days" and from my here it started for me in the most hardcore way.
So...
On this board (great shape btw) I had: Tensor Mag Lights, Indy hollows and now AF1 (all in their 8.5 variant)
Hated the mag lights because I felt I had no control even while pushing so I went back to Indy and it's ok but obvsly the "what if" popped up so why not try again Ace? I'll be able to skate them tomorrow or Wednesday and then I'll decide between Ace Or Indy finally.[close]
I agree, great shape, I have the variant without wheel wells. To mix it up a bit, why not try AF1 60s? I feel like the 14.38 wb and 8.75 axles provide nice stability without being too hefty for my taste. Obviously then wheels need to be thin unless you like hot rod.[close]
Not really madness per se more like an old lesson re-learned over and over....
Anyway, was having some lackluster sessions on a deck that was clearly past its sell by date. no pop, razor tail and chipped nose. but i refused to surrender it. occasionally, i still have that teenage mentality where a board should be ridden until its unrideable. but now i can afford boards and have a little stack in my basement... i should just give the old boards to kids sooner... but no... i had some romantic ideal of riding a mangled piece of wood into oblivion...
anyway, i finally got rid of the soggy sack of shit and laced up a freshie yesterday and low and behold it was like my legs were 20 years younger and i did my best kick flip in months...
moral of the story... trees are cool but skateboarding is better...
seriously though.... old men... hand down those boards while they still have a little sprack...
For sure. For most of my skateboarding years, I'd keep a deck until it was in 2 pieces. But I am old and suck and can't get a soggy razored board off the ground in quite the same way, so they end up at a program for young people who don't have many resources... I presume you ride your boards to the bitter end? That's rad. I wish I could. Like VA.
Also, never seen a scooter kid focus a skateboard... where the hell do you live? And no old man collector is picking up my used boards...
Point of the story, its often not gear madness for me... its me riding boards long after I can personally effectively use them.. and believe me.. I still try... I still feel like a bit of a looser for sending a deck off into the sunset on this dying planet.
I promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :(
I promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :(
Expand QuoteI promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :([close]
Most important dimension on a deck.
Expand QuoteI promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :([close]
Most important dimension on a deck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :([close]
Most important dimension on a deck.[close]
is it?
i think im on some bullshit where the wheelbase is just the leftovers.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :([close]
Most important dimension on a deck.[close]
is it?
i think im on some bullshit where the wheelbase is just the leftovers.[close]
I agree. You can take 2 decks of the same exact shape like a DLX I and IV, lay them on top of one another and see the steepness, and realize they won't skate the same. To me how long the nose/tail are and how steep they are matters most. I've mix and matched trucks and wheelbases at times and I've found too many weird combos that defy math to rely on it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :([close]
Most important dimension on a deck.[close]
is it?
i think im on some bullshit where the wheelbase is just the leftovers.[close]
I agree. You can take 2 decks of the same exact shape like a DLX I and IV, lay them on top of one another and see the steepness, and realize they won't skate the same. To me how long the nose/tail are and how steep they are matters most. I've mix and matched trucks and wheelbases at times and I've found too many weird combos that defy math to rely on it.[close]
samesies
and i’m not ready to measure tails.
i think, for me, tail length/steepness, followed by overall board length. those are the most important. i think.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI promised myself I’d never get to this point but I think I’m a wheelbase guy now :([close]
Most important dimension on a deck.[close]
is it?
i think im on some bullshit where the wheelbase is just the leftovers.[close]
I agree. You can take 2 decks of the same exact shape like a DLX I and IV, lay them on top of one another and see the steepness, and realize they won't skate the same. To me how long the nose/tail are and how steep they are matters most. I've mix and matched trucks and wheelbases at times and I've found too many weird combos that defy math to rely on it.
Does anyone happen to know what truck is closest to a tensor mag light low in terms of height and wheelbase?Indy
After years of trying to find the perfect set up, a friend recommended I try tensors and promised that I’d like them and gosh dang it was he right. Mag light lows with a riser pad ended up being the perfect goldilocks set up for me, but with tensor now out of business I feel like I either have to try to buy up all the dead stock I can or try my best to find something similar
@Mule Tensor mag lights are on sale for half the price at
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/c/skateboards/skateboard-achsen?brand_id=238
IndyExpand QuoteDoes anyone happen to know what truck is closest to a tensor mag light low in terms of height and wheelbase?
After years of trying to find the perfect set up, a friend recommended I try tensors and promised that I’d like them and gosh dang it was he right. Mag light lows with a riser pad ended up being the perfect goldilocks set up for me, but with tensor now out of business I feel like I either have to try to buy up all the dead stock I can or try my best to find something similar[close]
Expand QuoteIndyExpand QuoteDoes anyone happen to know what truck is closest to a tensor mag light low in terms of height and wheelbase?
After years of trying to find the perfect set up, a friend recommended I try tensors and promised that I’d like them and gosh dang it was he right. Mag light lows with a riser pad ended up being the perfect goldilocks set up for me, but with tensor now out of business I feel like I either have to try to buy up all the dead stock I can or try my best to find something similar[close][close]
mag light lows are 46mm tall, the lowest indy is 52mm
In SkateDeluxe usually yes but in their case is for the pair, there's even a note about it.Expand Quote@Mule Tensor mag lights are on sale for half the price at
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/c/skateboards/skateboard-achsen?brand_id=238[close]
Price is per truck, sign up for the mailing list for 10% off.
In SkateDeluxe usually yes but in their case is for the pair, there's even a note about it.Expand QuoteExpand Quote@Mule Tensor mag lights are on sale for half the price at
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/c/skateboards/skateboard-achsen?brand_id=238[close]
Price is per truck, sign up for the mailing list for 10% off.[close]
The Mag light from SkateDeluxe come wrapped in plastic as a pair. No cool fancy looking box anymore. But 43€ for the set is a good price if you're curious about them and want to experience first hand how incredibly crappy the bushings are.Expand QuoteIn SkateDeluxe usually yes but in their case is for the pair, there's even a note about it.Expand QuoteExpand Quote@Mule Tensor mag lights are on sale for half the price at
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/c/skateboards/skateboard-achsen?brand_id=238[close]
Price is per truck, sign up for the mailing list for 10% off.[close][close]
Re Tensor trucks:
When a few places I know got them in, they were the only "SET" of trucks, came in their own special box and everything, but people at my old work used to always take them out and price them individually, which took some explaining to get it sorted every time I saw them like that.
Sometimes, I think trucks are better being sold as a set, but on the other hand, I have also bought a good number of single trucks for parts over the years from places that do sell them individually too, so I guess it can work well / not so well depending on who, what and where.
* I can't even remember the number of sets that were actually mismatched, including another set I got just recently from a shop - a 149 and a 139 - which you would think someone surely would have noticed, but no, seems like it happened all too often.
The Mag light from SkateDeluxe come wrapped in plastic as a pair. No cool fancy looking box anymore. But 43€ for the set is a good price if you're curious about them and want to experience first hand how incredibly crappy the bushings are.
Too soft and quality is horrible. When you touch it feels like very slick plastic.Expand Quote
The Mag light from SkateDeluxe come wrapped in plastic as a pair. No cool fancy looking box anymore. But 43€ for the set is a good price if you're curious about them and want to experience first hand how incredibly crappy the bushings are.[close]
Yeah it has been a while - more than a decade anyway, but I guess that is one thing I didn't really follow a whole lot.
Also not sure when they changed from hi tech to simple and more affordable, but they also seemed like they were more so the brand that mass produced all the trucks on their completes, as well as a lot of other completes, so I never really had much to do with them, apart from fixing boards for people.
Bushings seemed to work well enough for kids, but then again they also could have been different bushings specifically for that market - 90 duro bushings and 95 duro wheels were pretty common on completes that have come through my hands.
Were you meaning their bushings were too soft?
Too soft and quality is horrible. When you touch it feels like very slick plastic.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
The Mag light from SkateDeluxe come wrapped in plastic as a pair. No cool fancy looking box anymore. But 43€ for the set is a good price if you're curious about them and want to experience first hand how incredibly crappy the bushings are.[close]
Yeah it has been a while - more than a decade anyway, but I guess that is one thing I didn't really follow a whole lot.
Also not sure when they changed from hi tech to simple and more affordable, but they also seemed like they were more so the brand that mass produced all the trucks on their completes, as well as a lot of other completes, so I never really had much to do with them, apart from fixing boards for people.
Bushings seemed to work well enough for kids, but then again they also could have been different bushings specifically for that market - 90 duro bushings and 95 duro wheels were pretty common on completes that have come through my hands.
Were you meaning their bushings were too soft?[close]
- Had sort of a wheel quiver going of different sizes and duros
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I still do. I’m that asshole at the park who goes over to his car to smoke and change his fucking wheels because “they don’t sound/feel right” every half hour
In a very little time I got Lock in classics, Classics 93, Conical full and yesterday radial full. I was happy for months with OG classics and then madness kicked in.Expand Quote- Had sort of a wheel quiver going of different sizes and duros[close]
I still do. I’m that asshole at the park who goes over to his car to smoke and change his fucking wheels because “they don’t sound/feel right” every half hour
In a very little time I got Lock in classics, Classics 93, Conical full and yesterday radial full. I was happy for months with OG classics and then madness kicked in.Expand QuoteExpand Quote- Had sort of a wheel quiver going of different sizes and duros[close]
I still do. I’m that asshole at the park who goes over to his car to smoke and change his fucking wheels because “they don’t sound/feel right” every half hour[close]
I just posted in the gear ur contemplating buying, but I think the madness has hit me. Way too many late nights of YouTube and online shopping has caught up to me (as u can see by the time stamp). For the past 4+ years I’ve skated 9.0 popsicles with ace 55 classics and either 58 or 60mm spitfire f4 conical fulls, og classics, radial fulls, or lock in fulls (I love wide wheels) but I skated mainly skateparks and transition. But I just moved to Long Beach last November and haven’t skated any transition at all. And have only skated street parks like cherry or the one downtown and even that’s rare. I’ve been die hard street skating and my old 9 inch boards felt too big. And so I bought an 8.75 sci fi (14.75 wb) and some 6.1 ventures. So far I like ventures as it’s my first time riding them, but now my wheels feel way too big. I feel like I’m progressing well but that my wheels and wheel base might be holding me back. I’m looking for a new deck and wheels but just don’t know what to get. I’m looking a lot at the sml wheels 55mm vcut grocery bags, and either a genesis video (bbs) 8.75 (wheelbase I couldn’t find which worries me) or prime wood la is having a sale on 2 for 1 decks. And those are 14.625 wheel base. But idk, the last prime I had was 6 years ago and broke after a day. I loved my sci fi so I kinda wanna stick with bbs, but just wanna know some opinions on prime and if their quality got better. Also with sml if anyone tried them and how they liked them. I was also looking at dial tone 55mm aaron Herrington wheels. If not I might just buy spits again but lowkey wanna try classics (I’ve never tried them cause I don’t really like how they look) plz guys i need help the madness has me in its grasp.Go for Radial full 54mm
I just posted in the gear ur contemplating buying, but I think the madness has hit me. Way too many late nights of YouTube and online shopping has caught up to me (as u can see by the time stamp). For the past 4+ years I’ve skated 9.0 popsicles with ace 55 classics and either 58 or 60mm spitfire f4 conical fulls, og classics, radial fulls, or lock in fulls (I love wide wheels) but I skated mainly skateparks and transition. But I just moved to Long Beach last November and haven’t skated any transition at all. And have only skated street parks like cherry or the one downtown and even that’s rare. I’ve been die hard street skating and my old 9 inch boards felt too big. And so I bought an 8.75 sci fi (14.75 wb) and some 6.1 ventures. So far I like ventures as it’s my first time riding them, but now my wheels feel way too big. I feel like I’m progressing well but that my wheels and wheel base might be holding me back. I’m looking for a new deck and wheels but just don’t know what to get. I’m looking a lot at the sml wheels 55mm vcut grocery bags, and either a genesis video (bbs) 8.75 (wheelbase I couldn’t find which worries me) or prime wood la is having a sale on 2 for 1 decks. And those are 14.625 wheel base. But idk, the last prime I had was 6 years ago and broke after a day. I loved my sci fi so I kinda wanna stick with bbs, but just wanna know some opinions on prime and if their quality got better. Also with sml if anyone tried them and how they liked them. I was also looking at dial tone 55mm aaron Herrington wheels. If not I might just buy spits again but lowkey wanna try classics (I’ve never tried them cause I don’t really like how they look) plz guys i need help the madness has me in its grasp.
@moonordie
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol!
Expand Quote@moonordie
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol![close]
My 2c. Tbh I wouldn’t go for them. I skated four sets and while I liked how effortlessly they grind, the cons outweigh the pros imo
- They wear down wayyyy too fast
- That buttery grind works well for curbs or street ledges, but there isn’t much difference at skate parks
- Axles bent on every set I had and I don’t do any high impact skating
- They’re too light.. can be hard to control and good luck if it’s windy lol
- I heard people that ordered from Thank You Supply never received their trucks. Tbh idk what’s up with Tensor rn I haven’t seen anything new from them and whatever is available online seems to be NOS
- Once you get used to them it’s hard to go back to a heavier truck
- If you’re skating on any type of rough ground the vibrations are crazy like you can really feel it in your legs
- Stock bushings kinda suck (though the interlocking bushings are a good concept)
Shit I could go on lol. They’re an improvement over the previous model and I wouldn’t say they’re bad trucks, but imo not worth getting into
@moonordieSorry, I sold them straight away and also we're probably far away. Follow @FatGuy92 advise, those trucks are evil.
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol!
All good, I kinda figured it might not be practical after I noticed that shop you got them from don't ship to the US.Sorry, I sold them straight away and also we're probably far away. Follow @FatGuy92 advise, those trucks are evil.Expand Quote@moonordie
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol![close]
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53mm is the jam. That’s what.
I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise..
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However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise..[close]
This is very simple. If you are trying to make them feel like Indys, ride Indys.
There’s a point where a truck is a tuck, they all do something well, but you can’t really change geometry.
I stand corrected…I should have said you can only change the geometry so much….
And I probably didn’t honor the thread….
Lately I've been messing around with trucks as well. Thunder and venture. Thunder trucks with cylinder bottom bushings offer lots of stability and a nice turning radius but feel like crap if ridden after some independents. Venture trucks have to be loose to get the same turning radius like thunder. Loose Ventures are more fun to ride than thunders but you lose a lot of stability and tight transitions suck on ventures.
Since I gravitate more and more to transition/allround I think the best for me would be to get some indy forged hollow and call it a day.
Per the truck experimenting conversation above:
I've religiously skated Indys the last 15 years at least. They've given me the best consistent results, so they're always what I'm skating "full time" on my main set up. I haven't really had a "madness," so much as a curiosity about alternatives to my Indys. Especially since production has changed over the last 5-6 years + tariffs affecting availability/pricing has me curious about solid alternatives for my preferences.
I made a second/third setup to see how Thunders are (again) and Ventures (for the first time). To see if I'm missing out on anything or if I'm just married to Indy out of familiarity. I enjoy the pinch and lighter feel with Thunders on my "lower energy" days. Ventures look like a cool, brutalist truck and their stability is appealing.
@Sedition that's why my main time whip will always have Indys! I'm just curious how I can fine tune the Thunders/Ventures i bought and see if they're comparable to Indy in ways I hadn't been privy to prior. Fun to experiment, though!
@Mbrimson88 as always, your insight and tips are appreciated to explore some tinkering! The bushings mods feel like more than I'd like to do, but at least I know I can try those beyond any basic mods.
Shout out anyone else adding info to this truck conversation!!
I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast
I just posted this in the wheel thread but think it might help some people here too:
I wanted to get a better look at how some of the rounded wheel shapes compare so I made this overlay using the images from their websites. Based on how the wheels lined up using the bearing diameter as the constant, seems like there is a lot of variance to how the bearings seat or the diagrams just aren't "real" CAD based on the actual wheel dimensions so take that however it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/VcgBjwtt/Skateboard-Wheel-Shape-Comp.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5grcMK66)
If the shapes they all shared are accurate, we can see that Bones V1 have the largest radius to where they are nearly flat on the sides, Radials have the smallest radius so they are the most squared off at the edge and Classics do seem to have the the most balanced transition from edge to sides. When I look at it sideways as if each profile is a launch ramp, the Classic is the shape I would want to launch off of, so maybe there really is something to that which makes them so desirable to a lot of people.
Expand QuoteI just posted this in the wheel thread but think it might help some people here too:
I wanted to get a better look at how some of the rounded wheel shapes compare so I made this overlay using the images from their websites. Based on how the wheels lined up using the bearing diameter as the constant, seems like there is a lot of variance to how the bearings seat or the diagrams just aren't "real" CAD based on the actual wheel dimensions so take that however it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/VcgBjwtt/Skateboard-Wheel-Shape-Comp.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5grcMK66)
If the shapes they all shared are accurate, we can see that Bones V1 have the largest radius to where they are nearly flat on the sides, Radials have the smallest radius so they are the most squared off at the edge and Classics do seem to have the the most balanced transition from edge to sides. When I look at it sideways as if each profile is a launch ramp, the Classic is the shape I would want to launch off of, so maybe there really is something to that which makes them so desirable to a lot of people.[close]
Appreciate the commitment to the madness, I'd be on Classic Fulls if they were a regular shape and made in F4 not just Classic formula
You guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?
Expand QuoteYou guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?[close]
IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.
https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?[close]
IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.
https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f[close]
Gonna need to watch or re-watch that because I've been strictly conical or conical fulls since September 2020 with solid comfort. I used to be a V5 Bones guy and hated the Spit "classic" shape most companies offer.
Almost every F4 C/CF set I've skated has been 99 or 101 @ 52 - 54mm. I love how they lock in most of the time. Sometimes I feel them stick on ledges and coping, unless there's more wax than not. I kinda jumped on conicals because everyone else (my friends) were mostly on them. They fuckin ripped on my first set! I'll never forget how stable, yet fast, yet slidey, yet grippy 99 conical full 54mm were! I do a lot of crooks and sometimes they catch or stick and I'm curious about classics, classic full, og classic, and radials
I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast
This is pretty much exactly where I’m at. I got 99 CF 54mm when I started skating again and hitting up parks. I was sliding everywhere on my old wheels that were all small, skinny rounded or tablet shaped. The CF felt perfect to me. Then I finally learned to lock in on crooks and been hooked on doing those but I’m having a lot of trouble unlocking from them. I know it’s mostly user error and I need to step up my skills but it’s what got me wondering if going back to a more rounded wheel will help. I’m also thinking Radials might be the way to go because I don’t want to give up riding surface and slip again but I also don’t think the shape is different enough. Now I’m getting why some people are saying Classics worn down a few mm are perfect because you get that profile but some added contact patch. Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?[close]
IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.
https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f[close]
Gonna need to watch or re-watch that because I've been strictly conical or conical fulls since September 2020 with solid comfort. I used to be a V5 Bones guy and hated the Spit "classic" shape most companies offer.
Almost every F4 C/CF set I've skated has been 99 or 101 @ 52 - 54mm. I love how they lock in most of the time. Sometimes I feel them stick on ledges and coping, unless there's more wax than not. I kinda jumped on conicals because everyone else (my friends) were mostly on them. They fuckin ripped on my first set! I'll never forget how stable, yet fast, yet slidey, yet grippy 99 conical full 54mm were! I do a lot of crooks and sometimes they catch or stick and I'm curious about classics, classic full, og classic, and radials
Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.
Haha, yeah but that would be too easy to cure the madness. Here is another overlay that compares the CF to Classics and Radials and I threw in Bones V4 too.Expand Quote
Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.[close]
Or...just get...Radials. :)
Haha, yeah but that would be too easy to cure the madness. Here is another overlay that compares the CF to Classics and Radials and I threw in Bones V4 too.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.[close]
Or...just get...Radials. :)[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/dwPfPnzV/Skateboard-Wheel-Shape-Comp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zTXmXK0B)
I keep going back and forth but Radials probably are the answer.
Yeah, forget everything, just buy every wheel. Only way to be sure. ;DExpand QuoteHaha, yeah but that would be too easy to cure the madness. Here is another overlay that compares the CF to Classics and Radials and I threw in Bones V4 too.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.[close]
Or...just get...Radials. :)[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/dwPfPnzV/Skateboard-Wheel-Shape-Comp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zTXmXK0B)
I keep going back and forth but Radials probably are the answer.[close]
Wheels look nice in photos. But like a skateboard, you have to ride it to know. :)
Expand QuoteI've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast[close]
I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....
Haha, yeah but that would be too easy to cure the madness. Here is another overlay that compares the CF to Classics and Radials and I threw in Bones V4 too.
(https://i.ibb.co/dwPfPnzV/Skateboard-Wheel-Shape-Comp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zTXmXK0B)
I keep going back and forth but Radials probably are the answer.
No problem! Yeah, I'll post it in the other threads too if people think it's helpful. It definitely helps me visualy evaluate what I'm riding and what else to look for.Expand Quote
Haha, yeah but that would be too easy to cure the madness. Here is another overlay that compares the CF to Classics and Radials and I threw in Bones V4 too.
(https://i.ibb.co/dwPfPnzV/Skateboard-Wheel-Shape-Comp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zTXmXK0B)
I keep going back and forth but Radials probably are the answer.[close]
So this new one I think is really good to see those three coloured lines to the left, offset as you said last time, so I think it would be worth posting in both the Wheels thread and the Spitfire Formula Four threads, because people would be keen to see them, as well as have them in all three of those threads.
Sure it is mostly the same people looking at all the different threads, but this is worth reposting there too.
Thanks for the effort in doing this - pretty cool to see, which as @Sedition had said, is also how I know they feel from having all three of those options in regular rotation.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast[close]
I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....[close]
I have found if I need just a little bit off, sanding is good, but if I need a bit more than that off, then cutting them works best - usually just a simple kitchen steak or sharp enough knife, keeping the bushings on a baseplate or even just sitting on a kingpin, cut gently a little, rotate the bushing, cut gently again and so on til it has scored it right the way round and then cut a little deeper and so on.
Trying various knife options, various positions, but now I think having a loose kingpin that I put almost a set of bushings on with the bushing that is to be cut right at the end and it seems to work a treat. If it is a bit uneven, I can then sand it down a touch more on griptape or the grinder, but then I also have the bit I cut off to reuse if needed as well.
The main thing is not going too hard with it and maybe feeling it out a little first, but I think I will post pics and video of this new process that seems like it works way better than cutting while on a board.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast[close]
I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....[close]
I have found if I need just a little bit off, sanding is good, but if I need a bit more than that off, then cutting them works best - usually just a simple kitchen steak or sharp enough knife, keeping the bushings on a baseplate or even just sitting on a kingpin, cut gently a little, rotate the bushing, cut gently again and so on til it has scored it right the way round and then cut a little deeper and so on.
Trying various knife options, various positions, but now I think having a loose kingpin that I put almost a set of bushings on with the bushing that is to be cut right at the end and it seems to work a treat. If it is a bit uneven, I can then sand it down a touch more on griptape or the grinder, but then I also have the bit I cut off to reuse if needed as well.
The main thing is not going too hard with it and maybe feeling it out a little first, but I think I will post pics and video of this new process that seems like it works way better than cutting while on a board.[close]
I've been thinking if it would be possible to make a jig where the bushing would sit firmly and you could cut or sand it to preference. But I've yet to come up with a solution. It would be cool to be able to adjust the height too. It seems that only madness I have is bushing DIY madness haha.
I only have cutters at work but maybe I'll try cutting the upper bushing today. at least get it into the ball park and sand the rest.
I think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?
I think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?
Expand QuoteI think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?[close]
The Indy conicals are same height. The 88s flush without shaving anything of the top feel soo good so far.I don’t think I have em fully broken in yet so see if they get better. Stable in the middle but turn when you want them too. Not overly loose. Kind of like the stock thunders but like smoother. I’d imagine the 90a conicals would feel more like a 92a in thunder bushings. Mainly went the Indy bushing route so I wouldn’t have to deal with the seasonal madness. I liked the stock thunder ones that’s why I went with the 88s, felt they’d be the most similar.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?[close]
The Indy conicals are same height. The 88s flush without shaving anything of the top feel soo good so far.I don’t think I have em fully broken in yet so see if they get better. Stable in the middle but turn when you want them too. Not overly loose. Kind of like the stock thunders but like smoother. I’d imagine the 90a conicals would feel more like a 92a in thunder bushings. Mainly went the Indy bushing route so I wouldn’t have to deal with the seasonal madness. I liked the stock thunder ones that’s why I went with the 88s, felt they’d be the most similar.[close]
This is extremely helpful info, thank you! I do like the stock thunder 151 bushings BUT I want a little more turn from them. I have the nut flush on them currently. A mix of 88a - 94a aftermarket conicals sits in my skate gear box and thankfully I can experiment with those
@Mbrimson88 excellent! I know some people like to be brand/part purists. Completely understandable and I do the same at times, actually. Knowing they'll still work and not self destruct like some "cross contamination" of brand parts has for others is good news
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?[close]
The Indy conicals are same height. The 88s flush without shaving anything of the top feel soo good so far.I don’t think I have em fully broken in yet so see if they get better. Stable in the middle but turn when you want them too. Not overly loose. Kind of like the stock thunders but like smoother. I’d imagine the 90a conicals would feel more like a 92a in thunder bushings. Mainly went the Indy bushing route so I wouldn’t have to deal with the seasonal madness. I liked the stock thunder ones that’s why I went with the 88s, felt they’d be the most similar.[close]
This is extremely helpful info, thank you! I do like the stock thunder 151 bushings BUT I want a little more turn from them. I have the nut flush on them currently. A mix of 88a - 94a aftermarket conicals sits in my skate gear box and thankfully I can experiment with those
@Mbrimson88 excellent! I know some people like to be brand/part purists. Completely understandable and I do the same at times, actually. Knowing they'll still work and not self destruct like some "cross contamination" of brand parts has for others is good news[close]
The thunder top washer is also low key ass and digs in to the truck. If you got the Indy conical washers I’d switch to those too
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?[close]
The Indy conicals are same height. The 88s flush without shaving anything of the top feel soo good so far.I don’t think I have em fully broken in yet so see if they get better. Stable in the middle but turn when you want them too. Not overly loose. Kind of like the stock thunders but like smoother. I’d imagine the 90a conicals would feel more like a 92a in thunder bushings. Mainly went the Indy bushing route so I wouldn’t have to deal with the seasonal madness. I liked the stock thunder ones that’s why I went with the 88s, felt they’d be the most similar.[close]
This is extremely helpful info, thank you! I do like the stock thunder 151 bushings BUT I want a little more turn from them. I have the nut flush on them currently. A mix of 88a - 94a aftermarket conicals sits in my skate gear box and thankfully I can experiment with those
@Mbrimson88 excellent! I know some people like to be brand/part purists. Completely understandable and I do the same at times, actually. Knowing they'll still work and not self destruct like some "cross contamination" of brand parts has for others is good news
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI think i saw someone mention using Indy aftermarket bushings in Thunders a few posts back on here! Is that worth trying in that they're compatible? Or should I look for Thunder replacement kit ones for better compatibility?[close]
The Indy conicals are same height. The 88s flush without shaving anything of the top feel soo good so far.I don’t think I have em fully broken in yet so see if they get better. Stable in the middle but turn when you want them too. Not overly loose. Kind of like the stock thunders but like smoother. I’d imagine the 90a conicals would feel more like a 92a in thunder bushings. Mainly went the Indy bushing route so I wouldn’t have to deal with the seasonal madness. I liked the stock thunder ones that’s why I went with the 88s, felt they’d be the most similar.[close]
This is extremely helpful info, thank you! I do like the stock thunder 151 bushings BUT I want a little more turn from them. I have the nut flush on them currently. A mix of 88a - 94a aftermarket conicals sits in my skate gear box and thankfully I can experiment with those
@Mbrimson88 excellent! I know some people like to be brand/part purists. Completely understandable and I do the same at times, actually. Knowing they'll still work and not self destruct like some "cross contamination" of brand parts has for others is good news[close]
A couple people here recommended Ace low bushings for Thunders, so I setup Ace low hard tops and low standard bottoms. I haven’t had a lot of time to skate lately, but so far they feel good. IIRC Tom Asta made a setup video awhile back and he was skating Ace bushings with Thunders too and liked it
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast[close]
I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....[close]
I have found if I need just a little bit off, sanding is good, but if I need a bit more than that off, then cutting them works best - usually just a simple kitchen steak or sharp enough knife, keeping the bushings on a baseplate or even just sitting on a kingpin, cut gently a little, rotate the bushing, cut gently again and so on til it has scored it right the way round and then cut a little deeper and so on.
Trying various knife options, various positions, but now I think having a loose kingpin that I put almost a set of bushings on with the bushing that is to be cut right at the end and it seems to work a treat. If it is a bit uneven, I can then sand it down a touch more on griptape or the grinder, but then I also have the bit I cut off to reuse if needed as well.
The main thing is not going too hard with it and maybe feeling it out a little first, but I think I will post pics and video of this new process that seems like it works way better than cutting while on a board.[close]
I've been thinking if it would be possible to make a jig where the bushing would sit firmly and you could cut or sand it to preference. But I've yet to come up with a solution. It would be cool to be able to adjust the height too. It seems that only madness I have is bushing DIY madness haha.
I only have cutters at work but maybe I'll try cutting the upper bushing today. at least get it into the ball park and sand the rest.
we have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.
Would never have thought of doing something like this. I’d probably just try to find the different size bushings but this is very clever in not needing anything else to do. As for cutting, I wonder if you can ask your local butcher to help you out with their deli cutter. They can dial it in to the exact thickness and slice it lit in a fraction of a second perfectly.
Expand Quotewe have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.[close]
Heh. I am on the other end of the spectrum; Wheelbase is one of the most important dimensions to me.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewe have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.[close]
Heh. I am on the other end of the spectrum; Wheelbase is one of the most important dimensions to me.[close]
Same. I used to just buy ~8.5s, whatever it was, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6. with all the rando extra numbers. I skated 146s and 149s. whatever the shop had. Antihero, ATM, baker, consolidated, habitat, black label, whatever.
I can skate a shaped 9.4 as long as it's 14.25 wb
When I got into my late 20s, into 30s I realized some of the boards I was skating were way fucking longer than the ones I liked. I used to have times where I felt like I was skating like shit, hated boards, wasn't exactly sure why. It's cause the WB was too long. I felt dumb as hell. Around ~14 to ~14.25 is my jam. I'm 5'8. When I met Spanky and Jerry, they're like, less than that, and crush it on what I presume are ~14.25" wb boards, though I know they can get whatever they want pressed. I've seen clips of Jerry on antihero eagles and stuff. I was watching old Tom Penny footage. Seeing how he rides comfortably around the bolts. Googling how tall he is. Finding no results. Baggy pants hiding the cowboy Leo Romero stance. I had less control over long boards cause I didn't want to stand with my feet so far apart. I like how penny kept 149s on his board for at least a year after 139s came out. There's contest footage of him in i wanna say 94 hot rodding so hard and still killing it. Jealous of ppl with long legs cause they can choose what they like, where short-ass leg mfs like myself have to accept the options. I don't even want to start skating the real truefits and stuff cause I don't want to get used to something and have it eventually taken away, thus, I just ride blue eagles and baker b16s
lurked here since about 2008, but at that time the EMB was my main shit, I had like 20,000 posts or some shit, I used to go on and on with the homies Jawn, Meatbag, etc drunk as a 19 year old. We were more interested in making each other laugh than breaking down the nitty gritty of skate equipment.
When my search engine results in my mid 20s continually led me to slap, I eventually made an account. I think it was based off the wheelbase thing. Wheelbase is like, the reason I have an account.
I'm insane
Expand Quotewe have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.[close]
Heh. I am on the other end of the spectrum; Wheelbase is one of the most important dimensions to me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast[close]
I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....[close]
I have found if I need just a little bit off, sanding is good, but if I need a bit more than that off, then cutting them works best - usually just a simple kitchen steak or sharp enough knife, keeping the bushings on a baseplate or even just sitting on a kingpin, cut gently a little, rotate the bushing, cut gently again and so on til it has scored it right the way round and then cut a little deeper and so on.
Trying various knife options, various positions, but now I think having a loose kingpin that I put almost a set of bushings on with the bushing that is to be cut right at the end and it seems to work a treat. If it is a bit uneven, I can then sand it down a touch more on griptape or the grinder, but then I also have the bit I cut off to reuse if needed as well.
The main thing is not going too hard with it and maybe feeling it out a little first, but I think I will post pics and video of this new process that seems like it works way better than cutting while on a board.[close]
I've been thinking if it would be possible to make a jig where the bushing would sit firmly and you could cut or sand it to preference. But I've yet to come up with a solution. It would be cool to be able to adjust the height too. It seems that only madness I have is bushing DIY madness haha.
I only have cutters at work but maybe I'll try cutting the upper bushing today. at least get it into the ball park and sand the rest.[close]
I finally got a minute to do a few things, so here is my second version of cutting bushings.
Video of the process in the last frame.
https://www.instagram.com/mbrimson88/p/DOyFF4Pk7B-/
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOyFF4Pk7B-/?img_index=1
Blue eagle is on the best shape known to man. Every time I try something different I always end up back on that shape. I'm 6 feet tall but most of that is in the torso so I can't really do anything over 32" without feeling like I'm snow boarding.Expand QuoteExpand Quotewe have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.[close]
Heh. I am on the other end of the spectrum; Wheelbase is one of the most important dimensions to me.[close]
Same. I used to just buy ~8.5s, whatever it was, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6. with all the rando extra numbers. I skated 146s and 149s. whatever the shop had. Antihero, ATM, baker, consolidated, habitat, black label, whatever.
I can skate a shaped 9.4 as long as it's 14.25 wb
When I got into my late 20s, into 30s I realized some of the boards I was skating were way fucking longer than the ones I liked. I used to have times where I felt like I was skating like shit, hated boards, wasn't exactly sure why. It's cause the WB was too long. I felt dumb as hell. Around ~14 to ~14.25 is my jam. I'm 5'8. When I met Spanky and Jerry, they're like, less than that, and crush it on what I presume are ~14.25" wb boards, though I know they can get whatever they want pressed. I've seen clips of Jerry on antihero eagles and stuff. I was watching old Tom Penny footage. Seeing how he rides comfortably around the bolts. Googling how tall he is. Finding no results. Baggy pants hiding the cowboy Leo Romero stance. I had less control over long boards cause I didn't want to stand with my feet so far apart. I like how penny kept 149s on his board for at least a year after 139s came out. There's contest footage of him in i wanna say 94 hot rodding so hard and still killing it. Jealous of ppl with long legs cause they can choose what they like, where short-ass leg mfs like myself have to accept the options. I don't even want to start skating the real truefits and stuff cause I don't want to get used to something and have it eventually taken away, thus, I just ride blue eagles and baker b16s
lurked here since about 2008, but at that time the EMB was my main shit, I had like 20,000 posts or some shit, I used to go on and on with the homies Jawn, Meatbag, etc drunk as a 19 year old. We were more interested in making each other laugh than breaking down the nitty gritty of skate equipment.
When my search engine results in my mid 20s continually led me to slap, I eventually made an account. I think it was based off the wheelbase thing. Wheelbase is like, the reason I have an account.
I'm insane
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked, but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.
However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.
Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast[close]
I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....[close]
I have found if I need just a little bit off, sanding is good, but if I need a bit more than that off, then cutting them works best - usually just a simple kitchen steak or sharp enough knife, keeping the bushings on a baseplate or even just sitting on a kingpin, cut gently a little, rotate the bushing, cut gently again and so on til it has scored it right the way round and then cut a little deeper and so on.
Trying various knife options, various positions, but now I think having a loose kingpin that I put almost a set of bushings on with the bushing that is to be cut right at the end and it seems to work a treat. If it is a bit uneven, I can then sand it down a touch more on griptape or the grinder, but then I also have the bit I cut off to reuse if needed as well.
The main thing is not going too hard with it and maybe feeling it out a little first, but I think I will post pics and video of this new process that seems like it works way better than cutting while on a board.[close]
I've been thinking if it would be possible to make a jig where the bushing would sit firmly and you could cut or sand it to preference. But I've yet to come up with a solution. It would be cool to be able to adjust the height too. It seems that only madness I have is bushing DIY madness haha.
I only have cutters at work but maybe I'll try cutting the upper bushing today. at least get it into the ball park and sand the rest.[close]
I finally got a minute to do a few things, so here is my second version of cutting bushings.
Video of the process in the last frame.
https://www.instagram.com/mbrimson88/p/DOyFF4Pk7B-/
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOyFF4Pk7B-/?img_index=1
Thank you for this! I'd never in a million years thought that serrated knife would work better but judging from the video it seems less prone to accidentally cut non diagonally. Will test this out for sure next time I need to cut bushings.
Thanks for posting the vid! Using the kingpin like this is a serious life hack. Always wondered how to prevent squeezing the bushing too much while cutting.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewe have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.[close]
Heh. I am on the other end of the spectrum; Wheelbase is one of the most important dimensions to me.[close]
Same. I used to just buy ~8.5s, whatever it was, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6. with all the rando extra numbers. I skated 146s and 149s. whatever the shop had. Antihero, ATM, baker, consolidated, habitat, black label, whatever.
I can skate a shaped 9.4 as long as it's 14.25 wb
When I got into my late 20s, into 30s I realized some of the boards I was skating were way fucking longer than the ones I liked. I used to have times where I felt like I was skating like shit, hated boards, wasn't exactly sure why. It's cause the WB was too long. I felt dumb as hell. Around ~14 to ~14.25 is my jam. I'm 5'8. When I met Spanky and Jerry, they're like, less than that, and crush it on what I presume are ~14.25" wb boards, though I know they can get whatever they want pressed. I've seen clips of Jerry on antihero eagles and stuff. I was watching old Tom Penny footage. Seeing how he rides comfortably around the bolts. Googling how tall he is. Finding no results. Baggy pants hiding the cowboy Leo Romero stance. I had less control over long boards cause I didn't want to stand with my feet so far apart. I like how penny kept 149s on his board for at least a year after 139s came out. There's contest footage of him in i wanna say 94 hot rodding so hard and still killing it. Jealous of ppl with long legs cause they can choose what they like, where short-ass leg mfs like myself have to accept the options. I don't even want to start skating the real truefits and stuff cause I don't want to get used to something and have it eventually taken away, thus, I just ride blue eagles and baker b16s
lurked here since about 2008, but at that time the EMB was my main shit, I had like 20,000 posts or some shit, I used to go on and on with the homies Jawn, Meatbag, etc drunk as a 19 year old. We were more interested in making each other laugh than breaking down the nitty gritty of skate equipment.
When my search engine results in my mid 20s continually led me to slap, I eventually made an account. I think it was based off the wheelbase thing. Wheelbase is like, the reason I have an account.
I'm insane[close]
oh i’m not mentally well.
also, not positive, but every certain that tom was skating 139s, on a sub 8 board.
149s were not real common, imo.
I've also had gear that won't die or gear I thought was done but clearly wasn't when I gave them a second shot. I've set aside at least 2 pairs of shoes in the last 3 years thinking they were done. Revisited both pairs months later at separate times for a second breath of life. Both lasted even longer than the time I spent skating them on the first wear! My pairs were Emerica KSL G6 and Etnies MC Rap HighNice, I was looking to get MC Rap Highs to replace my Blazer Mids but ended up getting some cheapo versions from Walmart for around $20. Will see how long those last... the soles seem thinner than my already worn Blazers tho.
Sometimes the true quality shines through when gear refuses to die on us hahah
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewe have a wide board short wb movement thread.
any ideas on the skinny boards long wb?
i’m in a weird place, and this comes from more a desire to try something way off from what i generally use. there is a smidge of logic: ive gone on and on about how i hav e enjoyed the griffin gass shape (8.5x14.44x32). i think its due to the tail being the same as the 7.75 tail, which is approximately the type of board i had my best years on.
following all of that….and continuing with what someone on here said quite awhile back, paraphrased: ‘wb isn’t important, it’s just the left overs after nose/tail and length’.
i like 8 ish boards, or boards i can skate with 8 trucks, which are a goal i
’m working my way back down towards.[close]
Heh. I am on the other end of the spectrum; Wheelbase is one of the most important dimensions to me.[close]
Same. I used to just buy ~8.5s, whatever it was, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6. with all the rando extra numbers. I skated 146s and 149s. whatever the shop had. Antihero, ATM, baker, consolidated, habitat, black label, whatever.
I can skate a shaped 9.4 as long as it's 14.25 wb
When I got into my late 20s, into 30s I realized some of the boards I was skating were way fucking longer than the ones I liked. I used to have times where I felt like I was skating like shit, hated boards, wasn't exactly sure why. It's cause the WB was too long. I felt dumb as hell. Around ~14 to ~14.25 is my jam. I'm 5'8. When I met Spanky and Jerry, they're like, less than that, and crush it on what I presume are ~14.25" wb boards, though I know they can get whatever they want pressed. I've seen clips of Jerry on antihero eagles and stuff. I was watching old Tom Penny footage. Seeing how he rides comfortably around the bolts. Googling how tall he is. Finding no results. Baggy pants hiding the cowboy Leo Romero stance. I had less control over long boards cause I didn't want to stand with my feet so far apart. I like how penny kept 149s on his board for at least a year after 139s came out. There's contest footage of him in i wanna say 94 hot rodding so hard and still killing it. Jealous of ppl with long legs cause they can choose what they like, where short-ass leg mfs like myself have to accept the options. I don't even want to start skating the real truefits and stuff cause I don't want to get used to something and have it eventually taken away, thus, I just ride blue eagles and baker b16s
lurked here since about 2008, but at that time the EMB was my main shit, I had like 20,000 posts or some shit, I used to go on and on with the homies Jawn, Meatbag, etc drunk as a 19 year old. We were more interested in making each other laugh than breaking down the nitty gritty of skate equipment.
When my search engine results in my mid 20s continually led me to slap, I eventually made an account. I think it was based off the wheelbase thing. Wheelbase is like, the reason I have an account.
I'm insane[close]
oh i’m not mentally well.
also, not positive, but every certain that tom was skating 139s, on a sub 8 board.
149s were not real common, imo.[close]
I’m 5’11 with long legs, and at least for me, I absolutely can’t ride “whatever I want.” Short wb decks (that’s 14.25 and under) feel super cramped and unstable (because feet are not wide enough to create a stable base)…it’s like riding a Penny board.
Nice, I was looking to get MC Rap Highs to replace my Blazer Mids but ended up getting some cheapo versions from Walmart for around $20. Will see how long those last... the soles seem thinner than my already worn Blazers tho.Expand QuoteI've also had gear that won't die or gear I thought was done but clearly wasn't when I gave them a second shot. I've set aside at least 2 pairs of shoes in the last 3 years thinking they were done. Revisited both pairs months later at separate times for a second breath of life. Both lasted even longer than the time I spent skating them on the first wear! My pairs were Emerica KSL G6 and Etnies MC Rap High
Sometimes the true quality shines through when gear refuses to die on us hahah[close]
I also recently revisited an old MiniLogo deck I had from around 10 years ago that I thought was dead. Ended up skating the shit out of it until it snapped but it was really good until that happened.
for me, if i’m skating a lot, a short wb board (14”) and ventures, or 14.25” and indy’s, works well.
if im not skating very often, a larger board is easier. longer wb is fine because im just flinging and praying anyways.
i’ve long resisted this particular part of
madness: tails/noses, but that might be a better starting point for me.
it’s wb adjacent.
i’ve decided to just go back to contemplating what silly consumeristic consumption i can conjure up: currently ace inverted hollows vs t2s.
i don’t even know what decks i like right now.
cooked doesn’t even begin to describe it
A different kind of madness I have sometimes is gear that won't die. That is, I refuse to retire gear until it has reached a certain point and sometimes it takes a lot longer than I expected for that point to be reached.
Currently having this with my Blazer Mids. Sometime during the summer, I noticed the sole was worn paper thin around the big toe and ball area so I decided they would be retired once the sole is worn all the way through. I figured it wouldn't take long and want ti kill them asap because I'm tired of dealing with the lacing. I'm used to shoes that I can just take on and off easily by just tying or untying but these require loosening down several eyelets before they budge. Like everything else about them but that part is getting real old.
Problem is, summer is over and the sole still hasn't worn all the way through yet. I've gone through almost 4 decks and 2 sets of trucks and these shoes just won't die. It is kinda driving me mad, lol!
Interesting point. I don't think I've ever used skate or any other shoe until the sole wore all the way through before but probably partially because I've only had cupsole shoes and the rest wears out long before the sole. I did notice my Blazers have a lean to them but I thought that might actually help me roll off the edges for flicks better and I also shoe gooed them to fill in some of the bottom edges to be more level. But point definitely taken so next session, I'll try my new shoes and probably retire the Blazers since I've been wanting to anyways. I'm just really used to their feel but also getting frustrated and never even thought about the performance degradation that might also be contributing to my frustration with them.Expand QuoteA different kind of madness I have sometimes is gear that won't die. That is, I refuse to retire gear until it has reached a certain point and sometimes it takes a lot longer than I expected for that point to be reached.
Currently having this with my Blazer Mids. Sometime during the summer, I noticed the sole was worn paper thin around the big toe and ball area so I decided they would be retired once the sole is worn all the way through. I figured it wouldn't take long and want ti kill them asap because I'm tired of dealing with the lacing. I'm used to shoes that I can just take on and off easily by just tying or untying but these require loosening down several eyelets before they budge. Like everything else about them but that part is getting real old.
Problem is, summer is over and the sole still hasn't worn all the way through yet. I've gone through almost 4 decks and 2 sets of trucks and these shoes just won't die. It is kinda driving me mad, lol![close]
Don't do this with your shoes - not worth it. I used to do the same thing, but you are just messing up your feet and increasing the odds of injury. Plus, once shoes get past a certain point, they just don't skate as well. By all means, ride the rest of your gear until it is trashed though.
Expand Quotefor me, if i’m skating a lot, a short wb board (14”) and ventures, or 14.25” and indy’s, works well.
if im not skating very often, a larger board is easier. longer wb is fine because im just flinging and praying anyways.
i’ve long resisted this particular part of
madness: tails/noses, but that might be a better starting point for me.
it’s wb adjacent.
i’ve decided to just go back to contemplating what silly consumeristic consumption i can conjure up: currently ace inverted hollows vs t2s.
i don’t even know what decks i like right now.
cooked doesn’t even begin to describe it[close]
I feel you bro. I'm such a mess when it comes to self-realization with regards to what equipment works best for me. Sometimes it's a DLX 8.25 x 14.38 with cast Indy 149's and I'm like this is THE SHIT and then it turns into shit and I go for a 8.38 x 14.25 with cast Ventures and am like hmmmm yeah this is nice BUT... and then a 14 inch wb deck with forged Ventures which feels like WHOA I'm popping my ollies like easy and wow BUT then that one feels like crap in the bowl and then I'm back on the 8.25 x 14.38 and the serpent keeps on chasing its tail...
What I do know, though, is I don't enjoy decks that are too mellow. Gotta have that concave and some of that good ol' kick. At least there's that. And god damn those new era softer wheels like the X-Formula and the Soft Sliders are really something that I've welcomed to my world.
All hope is never lost.
Interesting point. I don't think I've ever used skate or any other shoe until the sole wore all the way through before but probably partially because I've only had cupsole shoes and the rest wears out long before the sole. I did notice my Blazers have a lean to them but I thought that might actually help me roll off the edges for flicks better and I also shoe gooed them to fill in some of the bottom edges to be more level. But point definitely taken so next session, I'll try my new shoes and probably retire the Blazers since I've been wanting to anyways. I'm just really used to their feel but also getting frustrated and never even thought about the performance degradation that might also be contributing to my frustration with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA different kind of madness I have sometimes is gear that won't die. That is, I refuse to retire gear until it has reached a certain point and sometimes it takes a lot longer than I expected for that point to be reached.
Currently having this with my Blazer Mids. Sometime during the summer, I noticed the sole was worn paper thin around the big toe and ball area so I decided they would be retired once the sole is worn all the way through. I figured it wouldn't take long and want ti kill them asap because I'm tired of dealing with the lacing. I'm used to shoes that I can just take on and off easily by just tying or untying but these require loosening down several eyelets before they budge. Like everything else about them but that part is getting real old.
Problem is, summer is over and the sole still hasn't worn all the way through yet. I've gone through almost 4 decks and 2 sets of trucks and these shoes just won't die. It is kinda driving me mad, lol![close]
Don't do this with your shoes - not worth it. I used to do the same thing, but you are just messing up your feet and increasing the odds of injury. Plus, once shoes get past a certain point, they just don't skate as well. By all means, ride the rest of your gear until it is trashed though.[close]
Haha, the other main one that gives me madness is the deck that never dies. Sometimes, I just want to move on but until the razor tail is actually cutting my ankles or splinters are cutting my hands, I don't consider my deck dead. I've had a few decks that I thought lost their pop, like my MiniLogo but when I tried it again, it was popping fine. Maybe it was just adjusting to the setup again. I don't think I've ever purposefully retired wheels except one set I have lying around for I don't even know how many decades and it's mainly because I don't know what they are and I want to at least know the brand and durometer. Trucks definitely need to be ground to axel and that actually gives me a lot of satisfaction so no madness there. I have a kid who likes to skate a bit too so a lot of my gear like old wheels and my skinny trucks from decades ago go to some of his setups.Expand QuoteInteresting point. I don't think I've ever used skate or any other shoe until the sole wore all the way through before but probably partially because I've only had cupsole shoes and the rest wears out long before the sole. I did notice my Blazers have a lean to them but I thought that might actually help me roll off the edges for flicks better and I also shoe gooed them to fill in some of the bottom edges to be more level. But point definitely taken so next session, I'll try my new shoes and probably retire the Blazers since I've been wanting to anyways. I'm just really used to their feel but also getting frustrated and never even thought about the performance degradation that might also be contributing to my frustration with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA different kind of madness I have sometimes is gear that won't die. That is, I refuse to retire gear until it has reached a certain point and sometimes it takes a lot longer than I expected for that point to be reached.
Currently having this with my Blazer Mids. Sometime during the summer, I noticed the sole was worn paper thin around the big toe and ball area so I decided they would be retired once the sole is worn all the way through. I figured it wouldn't take long and want ti kill them asap because I'm tired of dealing with the lacing. I'm used to shoes that I can just take on and off easily by just tying or untying but these require loosening down several eyelets before they budge. Like everything else about them but that part is getting real old.
Problem is, summer is over and the sole still hasn't worn all the way through yet. I've gone through almost 4 decks and 2 sets of trucks and these shoes just won't die. It is kinda driving me mad, lol![close]
Don't do this with your shoes - not worth it. I used to do the same thing, but you are just messing up your feet and increasing the odds of injury. Plus, once shoes get past a certain point, they just don't skate as well. By all means, ride the rest of your gear until it is trashed though.[close][close]
I do the same damn thing. Its hard as a grown ass man with an income to remind himself that you are not actually a teenager and its OK to retire that deck or pair of shoes early. In fact do it sooner do an actual teenager might benefit from a hand me down...
Yet, despite many rolled ankles and broken toes, I still wear shoes until the sole is worn through.
And convince myself a deck is still working for me even though its wet noodle with razor tail.
And I still might take a set of 58mm wheels down under 50mm b/c it looks rad, despite getting pitched on tiny rocks and bogging for speed in the bowl.
Trucks though... always have to go to axle but I'm OK with it.
Expand Quotefor me, if i’m skating a lot, a short wb board (14”) and ventures, or 14.25” and indy’s, works well.
if im not skating very often, a larger board is easier. longer wb is fine because im just flinging and praying anyways.
i’ve long resisted this particular part of
madness: tails/noses, but that might be a better starting point for me.
it’s wb adjacent.
i’ve decided to just go back to contemplating what silly consumeristic consumption i can conjure up: currently ace inverted hollows vs t2s.
i don’t even know what decks i like right now.
cooked doesn’t even begin to describe it[close]
I feel you bro. I'm such a mess when it comes to self-realization with regards to what equipment works best for me. Sometimes it's a DLX 8.25 x 14.38 with cast Indy 149's and I'm like this is THE SHIT and then it turns into shit and I go for a 8.38 x 14.25 with cast Ventures and am like hmmmm yeah this is nice BUT... and then a 14 inch wb deck with forged Ventures which feels like WHOA I'm popping my ollies like easy and wow BUT then that one feels like crap in the bowl and then I'm back on the 8.25 x 14.38 and the serpent keeps on chasing its tail...
What I do know, though, is I don't enjoy decks that are too mellow. Gotta have that concave and some of that good ol' kick. At least there's that. And god damn those new era softer wheels like the X-Formula and the Soft Sliders are really something that I've welcomed to my world.
All hope is never lost.
Thinking about the Cody Chapman shape 8.32 with 14.18 wheelbase. Has anyone tried this deck? Does it measure closer to 8.25 or like DLX 8.38 is actually pretty close to 8.5?
I think I’ve settled on Thunder Team Edition for now because as much as I like Indy the geometry kills my back after a few sessions. Next bit of madness being 148 or 149 on the 8.32? The actual measurement of that deck is probably going to determine which truck width I choose.
Same here, I like wheelbase 14.5+ and like steep kicks.
What's your setup right now? I need inspiration. Right now I'm on a Chinese Anti hero 8.6 which has a little to mellow kicks.
I like the creature 8.6 but they often have shitty graphics
Expand QuoteThinking about the Cody Chapman shape 8.32 with 14.18 wheelbase. Has anyone tried this deck? Does it measure closer to 8.25 or like DLX 8.38 is actually pretty close to 8.5?
I think I’ve settled on Thunder Team Edition for now because as much as I like Indy the geometry kills my back after a few sessions. Next bit of madness being 148 or 149 on the 8.32? The actual measurement of that deck is probably going to determine which truck width I choose.[close]
I haven't seen any in person yet, but even looking through the search I think "Chapman" might give the best results.
At least one in the setups thread, but the guy who posted it checked out. He had Ace 55s on it.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4395181#msg4395181
The same shape was used on the yellow team pigeon deck 8.32 size, so maybe see if anyone had posted that one too.
Pretty sure I have seen a few of those, but I just cannot find any when I tried searching.
Lastly, I wonder if checking with Cody himself and seeing what size trucks he rides on his, but I doubt he would tell you exactly how big the board is. He might and could surprise all of us, so who knows.
Thanks for the replies so far. Great hearing everyone’s input. I’m leaning more toward the 149 I think because I have a classic shape wheel on the way first week of November that I plan to pair with this. I’ve been in the 8.25 deck feels too small, 8.5 feels a little bulky camp for a while. One thing I noticed is that my 8.5 Eagle tends to feel just right under my front foot when I’m standing on it backwards because of the taper. I also prefer more of a straight rail with tapered kicks vs the tapered rails/tapered kicks of the 8.5 Eagle. My local has ordered me one and I can report back with the actual measurements here and the DLX thread when it arrives for anyone who is interested. Fingers crossed for a IV stamp concave!
Agreed on the DLX 8.4 being a great shape.I second that. Just finished skating a Kanfoush board and it was pretty nice. Saying that now I'm skating a GT 8.25 x 32 x 14.25 that I'm enjoying even more.
Too bad it seems to be quite hard to find one these days. They should make an eagle out of it.
I second that. Just finished skating a Kanfoush board and it was pretty nice. Saying that now I'm skating a GT 8.25 x 32 x 14.25 that I'm enjoying even more.Expand QuoteAgreed on the DLX 8.4 being a great shape.
Too bad it seems to be quite hard to find one these days. They should make an eagle out of it.[close]
Expand QuoteI second that. Just finished skating a Kanfoush board and it was pretty nice. Saying that now I'm skating a GT 8.25 x 32 x 14.25 that I'm enjoying even more.Expand QuoteAgreed on the DLX 8.4 being a great shape.
Too bad it seems to be quite hard to find one these days. They should make an eagle out of it.[close][close]
You sure that's a 14.25 wb? The "coat of arms" deck you posted on the setup thread is an 8.25 x 14.38 for all I know, unless there's some special extra shape in existence.
You're totally right guys, my bad.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI second that. Just finished skating a Kanfoush board and it was pretty nice. Saying that now I'm skating a GT 8.25 x 32 x 14.25 that I'm enjoying even more.Expand QuoteAgreed on the DLX 8.4 being a great shape.
Too bad it seems to be quite hard to find one these days. They should make an eagle out of it.[close][close]
You sure that's a 14.25 wb? The "coat of arms" deck you posted on the setup thread is an 8.25 x 14.38 for all I know, unless there's some special extra shape in existence.[close]
Yeah, the GT coat of arms is 8.25/14.38.
I enjoyed the 8.4 as well. I wish more 8.3ish decks were closer to 14.25 or slightly less. I don’t understand why so many of them are 14.5 wheelbase. Especially when a lot of companies are using 14.25 on the 8.5. Obviously there are many more options now but to have the standard wheelbase for an 8.38 be so long it doesn’t make much sense to me when the 8.5 is generally shorter.
I haven’t skated an 8.38/14.5 so maybe it’s awesome and I just haven’t experienced it yet.
What sucks are the 8.5s with a fucking 14-14.25 WB... the fuck??? so strange
Sigh, wheelbase isn't the only important length measurement.
I'm 6 foot 1 or 2 and right now I'm on a 14.2 or whatever the Navy Eagle is. The kicks are really long so the pop angle is quite mellow. If it were shorter kicks or steeper kicks then the pop angle increases and it actually becomes hefty in a weird way that throws timing off. Plenty of tall skaters skate this wheelbase. It's the most common in skateboarding because it has the widest bell curve and is a good starting point to manipulate the kicks.
I've also liked the DLX 8.38 but hate the generic Generator 8.5 with the 14.5 because it has way too long of a nose and tail for me. Mellow kicks on 14.5 with a huge nose feels terrible to me because it hits fast without much leverage which means I have to pop harder. The tail on the DLX is a hair shorter and the shorter nose make it feel shorter overall than it is and snap more powerfully.
I find that kick measurement and wheelbase are great for knowing why a deck might feel a certain way after you've skated it and are used to it, but a lot of times focusing on one leads your astray or getting too caught up in the perfect combo can be spoiled by something being too mellow or steep on the press.
Expand QuoteSigh, wheelbase isn't the only important length measurement.
I'm 6 foot 1 or 2 and right now I'm on a 14.2 or whatever the Navy Eagle is. The kicks are really long so the pop angle is quite mellow. If it were shorter kicks or steeper kicks then the pop angle increases and it actually becomes hefty in a weird way that throws timing off. Plenty of tall skaters skate this wheelbase. It's the most common in skateboarding because it has the widest bell curve and is a good starting point to manipulate the kicks.
I've also liked the DLX 8.38 but hate the generic Generator 8.5 with the 14.5 because it has way too long of a nose and tail for me. Mellow kicks on 14.5 with a huge nose feels terrible to me because it hits fast without much leverage which means I have to pop harder. The tail on the DLX is a hair shorter and the shorter nose make it feel shorter overall than it is and snap more powerfully.
I find that kick measurement and wheelbase are great for knowing why a deck might feel a certain way after you've skated it and are used to it, but a lot of times focusing on one leads your astray or getting too caught up in the perfect combo can be spoiled by something being too mellow or steep on the press.[close]
The 8.5/14.25/31.85 blue eagle? I def would not call those kicks “long.”
I enjoyed the 8.4 as well. I wish more 8.3ish decks were closer to 14.25 or slightly less. I don’t understand why so many of them are 14.5 wheelbase. Especially when a lot of companies are using 14.25 on the 8.5. Obviously there are many more options now but to have the standard wheelbase for an 8.38 be so long it doesn’t make much sense to me when the 8.5 is generally shorter.
I haven’t skated an 8.38/14.5 so maybe it’s awesome and I just haven’t experienced it yet.
Huh? Only 8.38 with a 14.5 is the DLX and it doesnt need a WB adjustment... Everyone else does a 14.25... sometimes smaller...
I like a smaller deck sometimes and that 14.5 WB is just right for me since im taller and larger than the average skater.
What sucks are the 8.5s with a fucking 14-14.25 WB... the fuck??? so strange
Expand QuoteI enjoyed the 8.4 as well. I wish more 8.3ish decks were closer to 14.25 or slightly less. I don’t understand why so many of them are 14.5 wheelbase. Especially when a lot of companies are using 14.25 on the 8.5. Obviously there are many more options now but to have the standard wheelbase for an 8.38 be so long it doesn’t make much sense to me when the 8.5 is generally shorter.
I haven’t skated an 8.38/14.5 so maybe it’s awesome and I just haven’t experienced it yet.[close]Expand Quote
Huh? Only 8.38 with a 14.5 is the DLX and it doesnt need a WB adjustment... Everyone else does a 14.25... sometimes smaller...
I like a smaller deck sometimes and that 14.5 WB is just right for me since im taller and larger than the average skater.
What sucks are the 8.5s with a fucking 14-14.25 WB... the fuck??? so strange[close]
The DLX 8.4 shape is a pretty good one, slightly longer tail than most too, if you like that sort of thing, but yes as said, they can be harder to get from time to time.
Re the BBS wood / DLX 8.38 x 32.25 with 14.5 shape:
Quite a lot of companies do use the same shape, DLX, Bakerboys Dist - Baker, Deathwish, Birdhouse, DGK, Element and others, for that 8.38 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb, or at least they all seem to have the same shape when I had compared their boards. Some might have changed shapes now though.
Other brands that have or had shorter 8.3 variants still on BBS wood include Limosine, Primitive, April, Element, maybe now some Bakerboys wood, just off the top of my head. Even the Krooked Manderson board is 8.38 x 32 with 14.25 wb and is not overly squared off, even though it is quite a blunt ended shape.
It is actually becoming a more common board size, with a number of people saying the similar thing - 8.25 is a bit small and 8.5 is a bit big.
The most common 8.38 shape usually has 14.375 or so wheelbase, which is what Polar, Passport and a number of others are on, or were when I checked and had a few come through my hands. The Generator shape is the same too, slightly shorter wheelbase than the DLX 8.38 with a longer tail.
* I skated so many DLX and other 8.38 boards in the last however many years and although I liked them at first, I found most to be a little too short for my liking in the tail, so I drilled in the trucks and experimented with different options, so then / now have been enjoying them even more, slightly shorter wb, slightly longer tail, same everything else. That is my madness with regard to these boards anyway.
BBS tends to overstate their dimensions quite a bit... you think the WB is 14.375 but its 14.25 measured.. whoever does Toy Machine now uses that same 8.38 14.5 WB DLX shape. I got one just to see if it was similar and the shape is identical.
Expand QuoteBBS tends to overstate their dimensions quite a bit... you think the WB is 14.375 but its 14.25 measured.. whoever does Toy Machine now uses that same 8.38 14.5 WB DLX shape. I got one just to see if it was similar and the shape is identical.[close]
I've never had a DLX or BLKLBL deck (BBS) that was not dead-on for WB. Other dimensions, well, that's a different situation.
Interesting all the 8.3 deck talk. I’ve been on a similar trip with the in between sizes. Currently have an 8.375” 14.25”wb DSM that I got for cheap right before that shop disappeared. Also have a 8.125” 14.125”wb PSStix in line that I also thankfully got before those might be gone. I specifically wanted wb as close to 14” as possible and under 14.5”.
Interesting that the two new Powell decks from Zach and Dan are both in the 8.25<8.5 zone with 14 or under wb. I’ll probably try one of those next. Dan was saying in one of his latest vids that one of the reasons for his is he likes trucks to be slightly wider so it’s another interesting factor for those who like slightly narrower or wider trucks.
Yeah, I’m really liking my DSM 8.375”. I think those typically have steeper concave and kicks too. I also think I really like the stiffness of that wood. It’s part of why I really wanted a PSStix deck next to closely compare a very stiff deck vs one with a lot of flex.Expand QuoteInteresting all the 8.3 deck talk. I’ve been on a similar trip with the in between sizes. Currently have an 8.375” 14.25”wb DSM that I got for cheap right before that shop disappeared. Also have a 8.125” 14.125”wb PSStix in line that I also thankfully got before those might be gone. I specifically wanted wb as close to 14” as possible and under 14.5”.
Interesting that the two new Powell decks from Zach and Dan are both in the 8.25<8.5 zone with 14 or under wb. I’ll probably try one of those next. Dan was saying in one of his latest vids that one of the reasons for his is he likes trucks to be slightly wider so it’s another interesting factor for those who like slightly narrower or wider trucks.[close]
Just a while ago I finished skating a Zero 8.375 x 14.25 that was really great, with just the right kind of medium concave I like. Found it on sale last year, don't know how old it was and if similar shapes are still made – and if are, how to get my hands on them.
Expand QuoteInteresting all the 8.3 deck talk. I’ve been on a similar trip with the in between sizes. Currently have an 8.375” 14.25”wb DSM that I got for cheap right before that shop disappeared. Also have a 8.125” 14.125”wb PSStix in line that I also thankfully got before those might be gone. I specifically wanted wb as close to 14” as possible and under 14.5”.
Interesting that the two new Powell decks from Zach and Dan are both in the 8.25<8.5 zone with 14 or under wb. I’ll probably try one of those next. Dan was saying in one of his latest vids that one of the reasons for his is he likes trucks to be slightly wider so it’s another interesting factor for those who like slightly narrower or wider trucks.[close]
Just a while ago I finished skating a Zero 8.375 x 14.25 that was really great, with just the right kind of medium concave I like. Found it on sale last year, don't know how old it was and if similar shapes are still made – and if are, how to get my hands on them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBBS tends to overstate their dimensions quite a bit... you think the WB is 14.375 but its 14.25 measured.. whoever does Toy Machine now uses that same 8.38 14.5 WB DLX shape. I got one just to see if it was similar and the shape is identical.[close]
I've never had a DLX or BLKLBL deck (BBS) that was not dead-on for WB. Other dimensions, well, that's a different situation.[close]
For some reason the Polar BBS wb dims are often off as per indicated vs. reality: the 8.375 x 14.5 is actually 14.375 (with a longer tail than indicated), and the 8.25 x 14.125 is actually 14.25 (with a shorter nose than indicated).
Minimal differences, I know, but still relevant for many.
Yeah, I’m really liking my DSM 8.375”. I think those typically have steeper concave and kicks too. I also think I really like the stiffness of that wood. It’s part of why I really wanted a PSStix deck next to closely compare a very stiff deck vs one with a lot of flex.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteInteresting all the 8.3 deck talk. I’ve been on a similar trip with the in between sizes. Currently have an 8.375” 14.25”wb DSM that I got for cheap right before that shop disappeared. Also have a 8.125” 14.125”wb PSStix in line that I also thankfully got before those might be gone. I specifically wanted wb as close to 14” as possible and under 14.5”.
Interesting that the two new Powell decks from Zach and Dan are both in the 8.25<8.5 zone with 14 or under wb. I’ll probably try one of those next. Dan was saying in one of his latest vids that one of the reasons for his is he likes trucks to be slightly wider so it’s another interesting factor for those who like slightly narrower or wider trucks.[close]
Just a while ago I finished skating a Zero 8.375 x 14.25 that was really great, with just the right kind of medium concave I like. Found it on sale last year, don't know how old it was and if similar shapes are still made – and if are, how to get my hands on them.[close]
In the 90s, before I knew much about who used what wood, I got one deck that I always remembered I liked more and it was because it felt a lot more solid throughout its life and I think it was an “E” deck, like Element or Enjoi. If the wood they were using back then was similar and knowing what I do now, I’m assuming it was an Enjoi with one of their epoxy constructions.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSigh, wheelbase isn't the only important length measurement.
I'm 6 foot 1 or 2 and right now I'm on a 14.2 or whatever the Navy Eagle is. The kicks are really long so the pop angle is quite mellow. If it were shorter kicks or steeper kicks then the pop angle increases and it actually becomes hefty in a weird way that throws timing off. Plenty of tall skaters skate this wheelbase. It's the most common in skateboarding because it has the widest bell curve and is a good starting point to manipulate the kicks.
I've also liked the DLX 8.38 but hate the generic Generator 8.5 with the 14.5 because it has way too long of a nose and tail for me. Mellow kicks on 14.5 with a huge nose feels terrible to me because it hits fast without much leverage which means I have to pop harder. The tail on the DLX is a hair shorter and the shorter nose make it feel shorter overall than it is and snap more powerfully.
I find that kick measurement and wheelbase are great for knowing why a deck might feel a certain way after you've skated it and are used to it, but a lot of times focusing on one leads your astray or getting too caught up in the perfect combo can be spoiled by something being too mellow or steep on the press.[close]
The 8.5/14.25/31.85 blue eagle? I def would not call those kicks “long.”[close]
Yeah neither, they're pretty normal kicks in terms of length imo. If anything I'd really like it if they extended the kicks on that shape to make the length a true 32
I skate ventures though so that definitely influences my preference for longer mellower kicks. Throw Thunder T2s or something on and what kicks Im after definitely changes
Any which way, measuring wheelbase from the center of the bolt holes usually gives the accurate measurements for pretty much all DLX boards I have had, maybe only the newer blue eagle being a little more like 14.2 rather than 14.25 wb, as some others had pointed out, but I don't recall seeing many that were not pretty much on spec there.
That would make sense because I swore the deck I had was an Element but considered I could have remembered wrong since it was around 30 years ago. I pretty much had no clue who was doing what at that point and just got whatever deck seemed good and I could get my hands on at that time. They all seemed pretty much the same when they all went popsicles except that one “E” deck that was super solid.Expand QuoteYeah, I’m really liking my DSM 8.375”. I think those typically have steeper concave and kicks too. I also think I really like the stiffness of that wood. It’s part of why I really wanted a PSStix deck next to closely compare a very stiff deck vs one with a lot of flex.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteInteresting all the 8.3 deck talk. I’ve been on a similar trip with the in between sizes. Currently have an 8.375” 14.25”wb DSM that I got for cheap right before that shop disappeared. Also have a 8.125” 14.125”wb PSStix in line that I also thankfully got before those might be gone. I specifically wanted wb as close to 14” as possible and under 14.5”.
Interesting that the two new Powell decks from Zach and Dan are both in the 8.25<8.5 zone with 14 or under wb. I’ll probably try one of those next. Dan was saying in one of his latest vids that one of the reasons for his is he likes trucks to be slightly wider so it’s another interesting factor for those who like slightly narrower or wider trucks.[close]
Just a while ago I finished skating a Zero 8.375 x 14.25 that was really great, with just the right kind of medium concave I like. Found it on sale last year, don't know how old it was and if similar shapes are still made – and if are, how to get my hands on them.[close]
In the 90s, before I knew much about who used what wood, I got one deck that I always remembered I liked more and it was because it felt a lot more solid throughout its life and I think it was an “E” deck, like Element or Enjoi. If the wood they were using back then was similar and knowing what I do now, I’m assuming it was an Enjoi with one of their epoxy constructions.[close]
I seem to recall back in the hey day of Element, they were one of the stiffest and most solid boards out there, whereas DSM was having issues getting their boards to stay crispy, with them constantly sogging out and not breaking but just getting really flexed to the point where the tails would sit under the bolt line when going to pop.
Then at some point, things started to turn around and DSM wood got super stiff and solid, with PS Stix starting to get really sloppy or at the very least, started to feel a lot more soggy more quickly.
I really don't know all the whens and wheres with that timeline, but that was definitely around the start of DSM woodshop and when Element was through Giant Distribution, so early 00s, I guess. Also quite possible looking over time lines that Giant closed before DSM came about, but PS Stix was making boards for the best skateboard brands at that time and were amazing.
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Any which way, measuring wheelbase from the center of the bolt holes usually gives the accurate measurements for pretty much all DLX boards I have had, maybe only the newer blue eagle being a little more like 14.2 rather than 14.25 wb, as some others had pointed out, but I don't recall seeing many that were not pretty much on spec there.[close]
I always measure wb from the center of the bolt holes of course. The aforementioned differences stand as they are.
I enjoyed the 8.4 as well. I wish more 8.3ish decks were closer to 14.25 or slightly less. I don’t understand why so many of them are 14.5 wheelbase. Especially when a lot of companies are using 14.25 on the 8.5. Obviously there are many more options now but to have the standard wheelbase for an 8.38 be so long it doesn’t make much sense to me when the 8.5 is generally shorter.
I haven’t skated an 8.38/14.5 so maybe it’s awesome and I just haven’t experienced it yet.
...whoever does Toy Machine now uses that same 8.38 14.5 WB DLX shape. I got one just to see if it was similar and the shape is identical.
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...whoever does Toy Machine now uses that same 8.38 14.5 WB DLX shape. I got one just to see if it was similar and the shape is identical.[close]
That is interesting too! Forgot to say earlier, but going back and re reading some of the messages, at least it is another one I know I can add to the list for those dimensions.
The funny thing is Toy Machine has gone to so many different woodshops recently, almost as if they just got the cheapest wood deals or whatever, but everything Toy Machine that had come out here in AU for a while had been on questionable quality wood from somewhere no one knew of, so it is good to hear they are on BBS there in USA or where ever you are.
I just don't seem to see any round here.
I can’t prove it but I’ve always theorized that solid trucks grind better than hollow or titaniums due to the extra weight. I skated Thunder standard and titanium 148s back to back and noticed that grinds didn’t seem to lock as well with the lighter trucks
Gives and takes but I also feel like I’ve anecdotally noticed that most of the best skaters in my area run non-hollows
Very open to hear any conflicting opinions..
Similarly, I’m can’t articulate why but also I feel like solid, non-forged, baseplates have a more solid snap
I'm really tempted to put a dunk SB outsole on a blazer mid SBFrankenshoes? I can't imagine that working well or better than an existing shoe out there but I guess that's what madness is all about? If adding some impact protection and support on Blazers is what you are after, I just put FP Gamechangers in mine and they were perfect, other than being a PITA to get on or off, which is the only reason I would never buy Blazer mids again.
Straight up sole swap them shits and have a cupsole blazer
I have barge cement, knowledge and tools
Gonna put a sz 8.5 dunk sole on a sz 9 blazer upper since the dunk sole is wider
Or if converse would go ahead and make more Pro Leathers I could just buy those
The moneys going to the same place anyway
I'm just wondering how hard it would be to take the sole OFF the blazers
It'll come off easy on the dunks
I am currently riding venture 6.1 hi’s, I def love the pop feel on them and am really getting used to the manny point but they just don’t grind that well to me, and the turning isn’t bad but isn’t great. I came from ace classic 55s for like 5 years and before that only Indy classics. But I definitely wanna try more stuff and see if there is something I like more, ie lurpivs and possibly thunders and slappys. I know in the past Indy’s always felt like home to me since I started skating on them and they have an amazing grind and great turn, but they are sooo heavy, same with ace, which is why I tried ventures to lighten up my setup a bit and also cause of ventures pinch. But idk if I should try lurpivs or go back to Indy’s. I think I’ve had my time on ace and likely won’t go back to them sadly as good of a truck as they are, but I also am used to my ventures now and don’t wanna have to go back to a heavier truck. Anyone have any lurpiv experience they can share such as the wb in relation to Indy and venture as well as grind, pinch, weight and pop feel. I also ride a 8.75 wide with a 14.625wb if that helps give context to it.
I'm really tempted to put a dunk SB outsole on a blazer mid SBPlease do it, I'd love to see the end result.
Straight up sole swap them shits and have a cupsole blazer
I have barge cement, knowledge and tools
Gonna put a sz 8.5 dunk sole on a sz 9 blazer upper since the dunk sole is wider
Or if converse would go ahead and make more Pro Leathers I could just buy those
The moneys going to the same place anyway
I'm just wondering how hard it would be to take the sole OFF the blazers
It'll come off easy on the dunks
I'm really tempted to put a dunk SB outsole on a blazer mid SB
Straight up sole swap them shits and have a cupsole blazer
I have barge cement, knowledge and tools
Gonna put a sz 8.5 dunk sole on a sz 9 blazer upper since the dunk sole is wider
Or if converse would go ahead and make more Pro Leathers I could just buy those
The moneys going to the same place anyway
I'm just wondering how hard it would be to take the sole OFF the blazers
It'll come off easy on the dunks
Current madness is trucks. I have been setting up different sizes. Got some Indy HF for 8/.125. Venture 5.8s for 8.5. Thunders for my 8.75. Got bushings worked out, all of them tuned like I like them.I'd go for AF1, there's no way I could skate a truck that sounds like I'm calling a dog.
But now I want to skate fucking 8.25/8.38s and need a fourth truck. Because I'm a lunatic it has to be a different brand. That's how I justify the madness--im simply trying all the brands to find my "forever truck". So I'm currently comparing Slappy and Ace/AF1 and looking for a sale. I can justify like 45-50 bucks, so I have to be smart about it. But then I also sort of pine for some regular ass Stage 11 144s. So basically I'm in option paralysis mode.
I've never skated Slappy. Had Ace classics I liked, but I really don't think I'm about them on a street/trick deck. And I'm staying away from weird niche brands, so no Theeve, Film, Lurpiv, etc
I'd go for AF1, there's no way I could skate a truck that sounds like I'm calling a dog.Expand QuoteCurrent madness is trucks. I have been setting up different sizes. Got some Indy HF for 8/.125. Venture 5.8s for 8.5. Thunders for my 8.75. Got bushings worked out, all of them tuned like I like them.
But now I want to skate fucking 8.25/8.38s and need a fourth truck. Because I'm a lunatic it has to be a different brand. That's how I justify the madness--im simply trying all the brands to find my "forever truck". So I'm currently comparing Slappy and Ace/AF1 and looking for a sale. I can justify like 45-50 bucks, so I have to be smart about it. But then I also sort of pine for some regular ass Stage 11 144s. So basically I'm in option paralysis mode.
I've never skated Slappy. Had Ace classics I liked, but I really don't think I'm about them on a street/trick deck. And I'm staying away from weird niche brands, so no Theeve, Film, Lurpiv, etc[close]
Current madness is trucks. I have been setting up different sizes. Got some Indy HF for 8/.125. Venture 5.8s for 8.5. Thunders for my 8.75. Got bushings worked out, all of them tuned like I like them.I thought my madness was cured with Tensor Maglight but they are gone and I only have them in 8.25 and it’s been no joy trying to find a 8.5” set. Even considering the standard set and using the hangers on the Maglight baseplates but can’t find any cheap enough to justify the cost, especially knowing they were all sold at Ollie’s for $5.
But now I want to skate fucking 8.25/8.38s and need a fourth truck. Because I'm a lunatic it has to be a different brand. That's how I justify the madness--im simply trying all the brands to find my "forever truck". So I'm currently comparing Slappy and Ace/AF1 and looking for a sale. I can justify like 45-50 bucks, so I have to be smart about it. But then I also sort of pine for some regular ass Stage 11 144s. So basically I'm in option paralysis mode.
I've never skated Slappy. Had Ace classics I liked, but I really don't think I'm about them on a street/trick deck. And I'm staying away from weird niche brands, so no Theeve, Film, Lurpiv, etc
Please do it, I'd love to see the end result.I only have these dunk SB outsoles right now
I think for ~8" and smaller decks, and 14" and shorter wheelbases, venture lows and thunders w/ 50mm wheels are the jam, anything else would feel too tall/tippy for me, and the wheelbase would maybe be too squirrellyI don't want 8" or smaller decks and for shorter wheelbases, Venture doesn't make lows wider than 8" and I don't want trucks skinner than my deck. I have a couple Thunders but I just don't love them. Other than the pinch, they aren't doing much for me. Wish someone would just reup Tensor Maglights, lol. Most likely going to try Slappy ST1 Hollows someday. Indy Forged Hollows are probably the easy solution for me but I don't want Indy's either unless I can frankenmake something out of what I have, which are some old Stage 9 7.6" I had from back in the day.
My madness solution ended up just being Indy 149s
I don't want 8" or smaller decks and for shorter wheelbases, Venture doesn't make lows wider than 8" and I don't want trucks skinner than my deck. I have a couple Thunders but I just don't love them. Other than the pinch, they aren't doing much for me. Wish someone would just reup Tensor Maglights, lol. Most likely going to try Slappy ST1 Hollows someday. Indy Forged Hollows are probably the easy solution for me but I don't want Indy's either unless I can frankenmake something out of what I have, which are some old Stage 9 7.6" I had from back in the day.Expand QuoteI think for ~8" and smaller decks, and 14" and shorter wheelbases, venture lows and thunders w/ 50mm wheels are the jam, anything else would feel too tall/tippy for me, and the wheelbase would maybe be too squirrelly
My madness solution ended up just being Indy 149s[close]
Yea another thing is I miss being able to grind baseplate while doing nose and tail slides on my ventures, and honestly I think if I could figure the bushings out for ventures i might stick with them. I def have gotten used to the grind on pretty crusty ledges and curbs but I still wanna try other trucks too. But I know if I stick with something I am used to it will help me become more consistent. I’m honestly thinking about the venture v8s. I can bring the wheel base in a lil to get that baseplates slide again and I’m hoping those blue bushings are better than the purple. I posted in the venture thread about the purple ones cause I just can’t get them to feel right. But my local has some v8 6.1s so I might cop to just give it a try but I’m just gonna be bummed if I have the same problems. I just don’t wanna go back to Indy or ace cause of the weight.
Expand QuoteYea another thing is I miss being able to grind baseplate while doing nose and tail slides on my ventures, and honestly I think if I could figure the bushings out for ventures i might stick with them. I def have gotten used to the grind on pretty crusty ledges and curbs but I still wanna try other trucks too. But I know if I stick with something I am used to it will help me become more consistent. I’m honestly thinking about the venture v8s. I can bring the wheel base in a lil to get that baseplates slide again and I’m hoping those blue bushings are better than the purple. I posted in the venture thread about the purple ones cause I just can’t get them to feel right. But my local has some v8 6.1s so I might cop to just give it a try but I’m just gonna be bummed if I have the same problems. I just don’t wanna go back to Indy or ace cause of the weight.[close]
Indy standards weigh 3 nickels heavier per truck than venture highs in the same size
V8s adjustable wheelbase doesn't affect baseplate slide
I was unaware it was an issue with ventures
(https://i.ibb.co/sp6KNvtV/Screenshot-20251015-154023-426.png)
I heard Indy bushings work good in ventures. I haven't skated Indy bushings in ventures in like 20 years so I don't really remember how that went but as far as I remember it was good
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYea another thing is I miss being able to grind baseplate while doing nose and tail slides on my ventures, and honestly I think if I could figure the bushings out for ventures i might stick with them. I def have gotten used to the grind on pretty crusty ledges and curbs but I still wanna try other trucks too. But I know if I stick with something I am used to it will help me become more consistent. I’m honestly thinking about the venture v8s. I can bring the wheel base in a lil to get that baseplates slide again and I’m hoping those blue bushings are better than the purple. I posted in the venture thread about the purple ones cause I just can’t get them to feel right. But my local has some v8 6.1s so I might cop to just give it a try but I’m just gonna be bummed if I have the same problems. I just don’t wanna go back to Indy or ace cause of the weight.[close]
Indy standards weigh 3 nickels heavier per truck than venture highs in the same size
V8s adjustable wheelbase doesn't affect baseplate slide
I was unaware it was an issue with ventures
(https://i.ibb.co/sp6KNvtV/Screenshot-20251015-154023-426.png)
I heard Indy bushings work good in ventures. I haven't skated Indy bushings in ventures in like 20 years so I don't really remember how that went but as far as I remember it was good[close]
Hahahah that’s funny
Idk why but it’s been an issue for me. I’m not used to the feeling of my wheels sliding on ledges
It’s probably my technique but I can’t seem to get it’s to grind baseplate as much as Indy’s or ace. It felt like it would go right into baseplate on them. And bummer I thought I read somewhere that the v8s kinda helped with that. Maybe I’m crazy and made it up to fit the narrative to try them.
But I kinda told myself bushing madness is too far cause with Indy and ace I’ve never had to fuck with them. But maybe it’s time to give into the madness fully cause I like my ventures. But I did just hit axle so I’m getting ready for new trucks anyways
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYea another thing is I miss being able to grind baseplate while doing nose and tail slides on my ventures, and honestly I think if I could figure the bushings out for ventures i might stick with them. I def have gotten used to the grind on pretty crusty ledges and curbs but I still wanna try other trucks too. But I know if I stick with something I am used to it will help me become more consistent. I’m honestly thinking about the venture v8s. I can bring the wheel base in a lil to get that baseplates slide again and I’m hoping those blue bushings are better than the purple. I posted in the venture thread about the purple ones cause I just can’t get them to feel right. But my local has some v8 6.1s so I might cop to just give it a try but I’m just gonna be bummed if I have the same problems. I just don’t wanna go back to Indy or ace cause of the weight.[close]
Indy standards weigh 3 nickels heavier per truck than venture highs in the same size
V8s adjustable wheelbase doesn't affect baseplate slide
I was unaware it was an issue with ventures
(https://i.ibb.co/sp6KNvtV/Screenshot-20251015-154023-426.png)
I heard Indy bushings work good in ventures. I haven't skated Indy bushings in ventures in like 20 years so I don't really remember how that went but as far as I remember it was good[close]
Hahahah that’s funny
Idk why but it’s been an issue for me. I’m not used to the feeling of my wheels sliding on ledges
It’s probably my technique but I can’t seem to get it’s to grind baseplate as much as Indy’s or ace. It felt like it would go right into baseplate on them. And bummer I thought I read somewhere that the v8s kinda helped with that. Maybe I’m crazy and made it up to fit the narrative to try them.
But I kinda told myself bushing madness is too far cause with Indy and ace I’ve never had to fuck with them. But maybe it’s time to give into the madness fully cause I like my ventures. But I did just hit axle so I’m getting ready for new trucks anyways[close]
For most boards with a drilled in baseplate (Venture V8 or my DIY Indy or others, it means the kick is longer and more often than not, you can sit more on the curve of the kick where it starts at the base of the bolts / flat part of the deck when sliding on ledges, rails or the like.
Some concaves of boards will allow for more slide but others actually make it a touch harder to slide with the baseplate right up against the obstacle or cause it to slip out more often, but changing technique will often result in a better slide as the kick - nose or tail - is longer so you have more room to sit on top of it.
Hope that makes sense, but testing a few options of my own with various drilled in baseplates, usually on BBS wood, so spoon shaped concave, some steeper boards might take a little more to get used to. Some other brands / different woodshops will have a different feel, especially those that tend to have a lot of fingers of flat after the bolt holes with a smaller kick, as per a Quasi and a Sour board I tried, which I just didn't get along with either. Others who skated them and were more used to the concave had no problems with them.
* There can also be quite a difference between a nice sharp skatepark or well made ledge edge which slides right on the bottom edge where the baseplate meets the deck, compared to a street spot, curb or other crusty type of thing, where it will eat further up on the baseplate as per that very well used Venture being chewed away over the pivot housing area - amazing work / pic of that too!!!
My madness solution ended up just being Indy 149s
Expand QuoteMy madness solution ended up just being Indy 149s[close]
I feel similarly. Spent few months on Ace AF1s again. I like the turn among many other things but I just could not get my kickflips consistent, no matter what. Then switched back to Indys and it's on point during first session.
I'm still pondering between 144s on 8.125 and 149s on 8.25/8.38 though...
My madness solution ended up just being Indy Standard 149s
Just think about it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYea another thing is I miss being able to grind baseplate while doing nose and tail slides on my ventures, and honestly I think if I could figure the bushings out for ventures i might stick with them. I def have gotten used to the grind on pretty crusty ledges and curbs but I still wanna try other trucks too. But I know if I stick with something I am used to it will help me become more consistent. I’m honestly thinking about the venture v8s. I can bring the wheel base in a lil to get that baseplates slide again and I’m hoping those blue bushings are better than the purple. I posted in the venture thread about the purple ones cause I just can’t get them to feel right. But my local has some v8 6.1s so I might cop to just give it a try but I’m just gonna be bummed if I have the same problems. I just don’t wanna go back to Indy or ace cause of the weight.[close]
Indy standards weigh 3 nickels heavier per truck than venture highs in the same size
V8s adjustable wheelbase doesn't affect baseplate slide
I was unaware it was an issue with ventures
(https://i.ibb.co/sp6KNvtV/Screenshot-20251015-154023-426.png)
I heard Indy bushings work good in ventures. I haven't skated Indy bushings in ventures in like 20 years so I don't really remember how that went but as far as I remember it was good[close]
Hahahah that’s funny
Idk why but it’s been an issue for me. I’m not used to the feeling of my wheels sliding on ledges
It’s probably my technique but I can’t seem to get it’s to grind baseplate as much as Indy’s or ace. It felt like it would go right into baseplate on them. And bummer I thought I read somewhere that the v8s kinda helped with that. Maybe I’m crazy and made it up to fit the narrative to try them.
But I kinda told myself bushing madness is too far cause with Indy and ace I’ve never had to fuck with them. But maybe it’s time to give into the madness fully cause I like my ventures. But I did just hit axle so I’m getting ready for new trucks anyways
Yea I understand that redrilling baseplates wouldn’t push the wheels past the baseplate, I know it wouldn’t magically add metal, but I thought I read somewhere that they added more metal upfront by the pivot cup on v8s so that they slide more on the baseplate. As well as rounded that same pivot cup housing so it wouldn’t hang up on slides. Unless I’m remembering wrong but I distinctly remember. Plz tho correct me if I’m wrong
I think I'm just too used to Indy now and may as well accept it
Slap,
grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference
Having an extra set of 149s on a wide board is the cure for the madness…and one set on techy trucks. Get burnt out or unsure of regular set up step on the wide boy and cruise around go back to regular set up and bam feels great again
Expand QuoteHaving an extra set of 149s on a wide board is the cure for the madness…and one set on techy trucks. Get burnt out or unsure of regular set up step on the wide boy and cruise around go back to regular set up and bam feels great again[close]
That's what I'm thinking... Have one techier setup that's essentially the same soul that I can switch to if I'm feeling burnt out
As far as aiming for grinds and turning feel and stuff I think I have to have 149s on both
Maybe start the session on an 8.5 with 54s and end it on an 8.25 with 51s or something, and have a soft set of 56s stashed for crusty stuff
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving an extra set of 149s on a wide board is the cure for the madness…and one set on techy trucks. Get burnt out or unsure of regular set up step on the wide boy and cruise around go back to regular set up and bam feels great again[close]
That's what I'm thinking... Have one techier setup that's essentially the same soul that I can switch to if I'm feeling burnt out
As far as aiming for grinds and turning feel and stuff I think I have to have 149s on both
Maybe start the session on an 8.5 with 54s and end it on an 8.25 with 51s or something, and have a soft set of 56s stashed for crusty stuff[close]
Id say just put one on a shaped deck or a board with a longer wheelbase with big wheels for fun and the other on one of those anti hero dlx 8.5 boards
Expand QuoteHaving an extra set of 149s on a wide board is the cure for the madness…and one set on techy trucks. Get burnt out or unsure of regular set up step on the wide boy and cruise around go back to regular set up and bam feels great again[close]
That's what I'm thinking... Have one techier setup that's essentially the same soul that I can switch to if I'm feeling burnt out
As far as aiming for grinds and turning feel and stuff I think I have to have 149s on both
Maybe start the session on an 8.5 with 54s and end it on an 8.25 with 51s or something, and have a soft set of 56s stashed for crusty stuff
I'd say stick with the 149s honestly you could probably still rock an 8.125 with them if you're running smaller wheels
If you're gonna be running 56mm radial fulls or something I'd just get 8.5 decks but a 8.25" matches perfectly and I skated a whole bunch of those baker 8.25 og mellows with indys
Also you can get BBS blanks in 8.25 with 14, or 14.25 wb
Whoa. Thought Forged Hollows were my "forever truck." Like, I never have truck madness. At all. Well, for some unknown reason, recently threw on cast plates a few days ago. First few min I was like, "Oh, hell no. These feel waaaaay too high." Then something clicked, and I was like, "Oh my god!" Pop on everything started feeling way easier/bigger/better/more consistent, and turns feel deeper without wheel bite. I might be converted.
I've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows if you aren't riding a smaller deck. They will wheelbite faster, to me the pinch is not perceivably different and I do a ton of feebles and crook variations, the wheelbase extension yields almost the same pop angle yet they don't have as good of pop and snap up, and weight wise if you compare to the cast plates with hollow KP and Axle, you only save 11 grams per truck (those save nearly 30 over standards).
When I was basically couch ridden after an accident I was extremely bored and watched the Indy "My Indy's videos". Almost no one rides forged, maybe 5% of their pros. Even the more technical ones predominantly skate the standard heavy cast trucks. They're still great, but I can't see any case where I'd prefer them. If I want lighter and lower I get Thunders and just get used to the turn.
I've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…
Expand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.
Now y'all got me thinking about combining Ti hangers with cast baseplates...
Whoa. Thought Forged Hollows were my "forever truck." Like, I never have truck madness. At all. Well, for some unknown reason, recently threw on cast plates a few days ago. First few min I was like, "Oh, hell no. These feel waaaaay too high." Then something clicked, and I was like, "Oh my god!" Pop on everything started feeling way easier/bigger/better/more consistent, and turns feel deeper without wheel bite. I might be converted.The moment you said that you doomed yourself
Whoa. Thought Forged Hollows were my "forever truck." Like, I never have truck madness. At all. Well, for some unknown reason, recently threw on cast plates a few days ago. First few min I was like, "Oh, hell no. These feel waaaaay too high." Then something clicked, and I was like, "Oh my god!" Pop on everything started feeling way easier/bigger/better/more consistent, and turns feel deeper without wheel bite. I might be converted.
Expand QuoteNow y'all got me thinking about combining Ti hangers with cast baseplates...[close]
I've wanted to try this combo for over a year
If I find a good deal, it's goin down
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.[close]
100%
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.[close]
100%[close]
I definitely prefer lower trucks. That said, I have some forged hollow 139s and they just don't feel like Indy to me. I want heavy and high when I ride Independent as much as I want that turn.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.[close]
100%[close]
I definitely prefer lower trucks. That said, I have some forged hollow 139s and they just don't feel like Indy to me. I want heavy and high when I ride Independent as much as I want that turn.[close]
I feel like 129s and 139s are too high, but instead of going forged Indy I'd rather use thunders or venture lows cause the wider wheelbase counteracts the low height to keep good pop
I think 8.25 and 8.5 trucks are the zone where you can kinda use whatever truck from anybody and it'll feel alright
for 8.75+ Ace, Indy, Lurpiv, etc make more sense and for below 8.25 thunders and venture lows are more proportionate
This all makes sense but just gonna point out that a lot of measurements I’ve seen on these forums say that forged Indy’s have the same wheelbase as regular Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.[close]
100%[close]
I definitely prefer lower trucks. That said, I have some forged hollow 139s and they just don't feel like Indy to me. I want heavy and high when I ride Independent as much as I want that turn.[close]
I feel like 129s and 139s are too high, but instead of going forged Indy I'd rather use thunders or venture lows cause the wider wheelbase counteracts the low height to keep good pop
I think 8.25 and 8.5 trucks are the zone where you can kinda use whatever truck from anybody and it'll feel alright
for 8.75+ Ace, Indy, Lurpiv, etc make more sense and for below 8.25 thunders and venture lows are more proportionate
This all makes sense but just gonna point out that a lot of measurements I’ve seen on these forums say that forged Indy’s have the same wheelbase as regular Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.[close]
100%[close]
I definitely prefer lower trucks. That said, I have some forged hollow 139s and they just don't feel like Indy to me. I want heavy and high when I ride Independent as much as I want that turn.[close]
I feel like 129s and 139s are too high, but instead of going forged Indy I'd rather use thunders or venture lows cause the wider wheelbase counteracts the low height to keep good pop
I think 8.25 and 8.5 trucks are the zone where you can kinda use whatever truck from anybody and it'll feel alright
for 8.75+ Ace, Indy, Lurpiv, etc make more sense and for below 8.25 thunders and venture lows are more proportionate[close]
This all makes sense but just gonna point out that a lot of measurements I’ve seen on these forums say that forged Indy’s have the same wheelbase as regular Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows…[close]
Simple. Lower height feels better for some people.[close]
100%[close]
I definitely prefer lower trucks. That said, I have some forged hollow 139s and they just don't feel like Indy to me. I want heavy and high when I ride Independent as much as I want that turn.[close]
I feel like 129s and 139s are too high, but instead of going forged Indy I'd rather use thunders or venture lows cause the wider wheelbase counteracts the low height to keep good pop
I think 8.25 and 8.5 trucks are the zone where you can kinda use whatever truck from anybody and it'll feel alright
for 8.75+ Ace, Indy, Lurpiv, etc make more sense and for below 8.25 thunders and venture lows are more proportionate[close]
wide decks with mid height trucks fucksPreach!
dont knock it til you try it
wide decks with mid height trucks fucksI have a set of Thunder 151s I ride on anything from flatter 8.5s up to 9.25 and they're fantastic for cruising, light tranny, etc
dont knock it til you try it
wide decks with mid height trucks fucks
dont knock it til you try it
Preach!Expand Quotewide decks with mid height trucks fucks
dont knock it til you try it[close]
I have a set of Thunder 151s I ride on anything from flatter 8.5s up to 9.25 and they're fantastic for cruising, light tranny, etcExpand Quotewide decks with mid height trucks fucks
dont knock it til you try it[close]
Ace are 53, original Thunders are 52, and T2 are 54 so there's no way they can be a middle ground unless you're comparing Ace to Indy.
Expand QuoteAce are 53, original Thunders are 52, and T2 are 54 so there's no way they can be a middle ground unless you're comparing Ace to Indy.[close]
I was mostly thinking in terms of turn. As I understand it the T2 is a turnier truck but not as turny as Ace.
At 54mm I also might use a riser less often, so could actually end up with a lower ride overall.
So I have been on venture for nearing 3 months. Axled my first set after 2 months and am now on v8s. I’m liking the grind and pop and turn isn’t bad at all like I was told as a kid. But now I’m feeling like I miss Indy’s. That’s all I rode for like 10+ years until 5 years ago I switched to ace. And after ace venture now. I feel like it’ll feel like home and I’ll feel more comfortable overall but i can’t tell if I just am convincing myself of that. I saw the v8s come out and wanted them immediately and found a way to justify it. But now I have them and am yearning for Indy’s. I mean most people who have ridden Indy’s say they feel like home. And I feel like they are some of the best trucks out there but it’s been so long for me i kinda forgot what they feel like so im just thinkin of them recently. I won’t buy any until I axle this set of v8s but I know if I put my mind to it I can axle them in probably another month…Maybe try putting some Indy blue bushings in your V8?
Maybe try putting some Indy blue bushings in your V8?
I've never understood the appeal for Forged Hollows if you aren't riding a smaller deck. They will wheelbite faster, to me the pinch is not perceivably different and I do a ton of feebles and crook variations, the wheelbase extension yields almost the same pop angle yet they don't have as good of pop and snap up, and weight wise if you compare to the cast plates with hollow KP and Axle, you only save 11 grams per truck (those save nearly 30 over standards).
When I was basically couch ridden after an accident I was extremely bored and watched the Indy "My Indy's videos". Almost no one rides forged, maybe 5% of their pros. Even the more technical ones predominantly skate the standard heavy cast trucks. They're still great, but I can't see any case where I'd prefer them. If I want lighter and lower I get Thunders and just get used to the turn.
Guys should I buy an alien workshop 8.75 with 14.25wb? I’m on a 14.625 wb rn and at 6’5” with a size 12 foot I’m worried it’ll be too short but goddamn I want that Joey exp orange dip so bad
Expand QuoteGuys should I buy an alien workshop 8.75 with 14.25wb? I’m on a 14.625 wb rn and at 6’5” with a size 12 foot I’m worried it’ll be too short but goddamn I want that Joey exp orange dip so bad[close]
Im same height as you and have skated plenty of 14.25wb boards just fine. But it'll definitely feel short coming from a 14.625 wb.
This is a type of madness I guess.
I just picked up a set of standard 169 Indys for cheap on FB marketplace, my preferred size and type. Only problem is the Indys are black and i'm not sure I can skate them, they just look wrong IMO.
So i recently switched from indy hollows to regular indys. Every other variable is unchanged. Does it make sense to you that the heavier trucks make my rotational tricks, like pop shuvs and whatnot feel slower? That makes sense to me, just wanted to see if that would be the general consensus
(https://i.ibb.co/bjF4Xw6y/Screenshot-20251029-150647-519.png)
Reynolds cutting down axles to make something in between a 139 and 144 is rad
I did that with my AF1 Hollow 55s to have an 8.38" axle
Shit maybe he actually machined down the hanger to make a true 141.5 haha that'd be dope
Mad ramblings alert
In order to limit myself blaming the gear and spending money
I was thinking about super classic stuff that's been around for ever and generic measurements and I think this would be the most average/classic board
- 8.25" BBS deck, 14.25" wb
- Indy standard 149, stock bushings, solid axles & kingpins
- Regular black bones swiss
- Spitfire F4 classic 54mm 99a
I feel like i should keep one of those setups around at all times and have another setup that I can tweak in different directions
Also having two setups is dope, when you break one you can just grab another out of the van and not have to set something up at the spot
here's some basic stuff I can change with that generic setup as the jump-off point
- Could use 8.5 x 14.25" deck instead
- Could use 52 or 53mm wheels or F4 bigheads/classic fulls instead
Here's the more expensive or "marginal gains" stuff I could change:
- DBX decks, 8.25 full krooked or real/ah 8.5x14.25
- Hollow hangers on hollow or solid cast plates
- Ti axles on hollow or solid cast plates
- Aftermarket bushings, different duro combos
- Swiss 6
- Ceramics
- Different wheel duros
DBX decks, titanium trucks, and ceramic bearings are all out of the question
So if I had a board I really messed with to make it better it would probably be this
- 8.25 BBS
- Indy hollow hangers on aftermarket solid kingpin baseplates, 88a bottom bushing, 92 or 94a top
- swiss 6
- 93a classic 54mm
Which is basically the same
I don't want it to be too light
I really need to try that bushing combo and see if it makes my shit feel more like the way I want it to
I wonder if a stage 4 88a bushing on the bottom and an Ace low hard on top would be dope. I heard the kingpins on the aftermarket 6-hole baseplates are longer than average
I mean, what are you doing on your skateboard to the point that there isn't a stock indy bushing color (orange blue whatever) doesn't meet your needs?
I think even if you kept your setup identical over the years, it's inevitably still going to feel different here and there. If you grind to the axle and put on new Indys, replace worn out bushings, put new wheels on, or even just set up a new 8.25 bbs deck that has a different steepness due to being from a different position in the stack.
The difference you feel from those factors is could even be more noticeable than changing your wheel shape slightly or going from cast to hollow/solid to hollow etc
I've almost gone down the a/b testing route before with two different setups and honestly I imagine it's pretty futile. You're probably going to confuse your muscle memory trying to skate them both at the same time for extremely marginal gains. If they're v similar, getting more used to a single one is almost certainly better for your skating.
I think trying to optimize it as far as you can and keep it consistent is the way to go. But gotta accept it's likely never going to feel perfect. And even if you go through a phase where does feel perfect, that feeling is likely temporary and being ok with some slight deviations in that feeling from time to time is important
I always have 2 setups. One is my newer setup that I usually skate at parks and one is my older setup, which is just my last setup that isn't completely done yet but getting there and I usually use it for street.
Expand QuoteI mean, what are you doing on your skateboard to the point that there isn't a stock indy bushing color (orange blue whatever) doesn't meet your needs?[close]
I swapped aftermarket oranges in, and I felt those were better than stock orange, but I skated aces for a couple years(ended up on the hard bushings), and I liked the dual duro concept - softer bottom bushing to pinch crooks and carve when you want, but a harder top bushing to be more stable on center for flip tricks and snappier return to center.. basically searching for a more responsive feel and curious about trying the dual duro situation on indysExpand QuoteI think even if you kept your setup identical over the years, it's inevitably still going to feel different here and there. If you grind to the axle and put on new Indys, replace worn out bushings, put new wheels on, or even just set up a new 8.25 bbs deck that has a different steepness due to being from a different position in the stack.
The difference you feel from those factors is could even be more noticeable than changing your wheel shape slightly or going from cast to hollow/solid to hollow etc
I've almost gone down the a/b testing route before with two different setups and honestly I imagine it's pretty futile. You're probably going to confuse your muscle memory trying to skate them both at the same time for extremely marginal gains. If they're v similar, getting more used to a single one is almost certainly better for your skating.
I think trying to optimize it as far as you can and keep it consistent is the way to go. But gotta accept it's likely never going to feel perfect. And even if you go through a phase where does feel perfect, that feeling is likely temporary and being ok with some slight deviations in that feeling from time to time is important[close]
I agree with all that.
I think I'm trying to set parameters so that like, if the shops out of 54s, I know I can skate a 52 or 53mm wheel just fine, or vice versa. 8.25 or 8.5 should both be fine as long as they're 14.25 wb. Stuff like that.
I feel like a lot of my tweaking comes from wanting some kind of ATV board.. like an 8.5 with 56s for everything, when in all actuality I spend way more time skating ledges and gaps and shit, and am probably just absorbing all the footage of folks on giant wheels
I was skating pool coping the other day and my board felt kind of light, and harder to control (currently skating hollow indys)
Sometimes my flip tricks are way off on bigger wheels too
So I tried to rewind back to like 1987 gear choices and then follow along how it changed over the years, and how the trucks were still heavy but the wheels got smaller, then when the trucks got lighter and smaller the wheels got bigger again
I don't want my board to be super light or super heavy but I thought if I could control -where- the weight was, it could help... So keeping a solid kingpin, cast baseplate but using a hollow or ti hanger with smaller wheels... Adding more weight to the center of the truck right under my foot and taking weight away from the outside with the wheels and axle might be a good balance for that weight I was missing on coping, but still good for flip tricks
The whole thing together sounds awesome in my head, but when I look at it on paper it's basically just adding a hollow axle to a pair of standards, and isn't really going to change shit, so I should just skate standards hahah cause they're cheap and strong and feel good for grinds
Expand QuoteI always have 2 setups. One is my newer setup that I usually skate at parks and one is my older setup, which is just my last setup that isn't completely done yet but getting there and I usually use it for street.[close]
This makes sense to me. Even if my two setups are exactly the same. I thought it might be nice to have a slightly lighter weight board for at the end of a long day to switch to, but honestly it would be better to just have two identical ones. One of which I can experiment on and then test against the other. Which is what will probably kill the madness once and for all. When I inevitably can't tell a fuckin difference, or, I find something I really like
I think indy aftermarkets are great quality bushings, feel like branching out further than that could be a rabbit hole with diminishing returns. Maybe orange/red bottom blue top or something would satisfy that itch for you, though I'm curious if it would really be noticeable at all vs just the same top and bottom in a side by side.I'm curious too. but I don't know if I should do it. It would be fun to have more pinch and rebound, but if I'm jumping down stuff I feel like there's some sloppy landings I could get away with on stock bushings, where my dual duro idea might dive into wheelbite.
I keep a set of 93s on ice for crustier spotsI think I'm going to do this as well. I love 93s.
Going up or down a mm or two should be fine either way
And yeah, maybe your board with hollows is good for street but felt a little light on transition, but is that difference something that will continue to bother you if you just skated transition a few more times on it and got used to it?
If you went solid indys for that reason, you might notice its a lil heavier for street.
It probably goes both ways, no setup will ever feel perfect on everything. But it sounds like any one of these configurations is close enough on everything for you, so its just a matter of picking it and sticking to it.For sure. I think I'm going to pick whatever's cheaper, stronger, readily available so honestly that 8.25 deck, standard 149, F4 classics 52-54, and Swiss is prolly all I need to even think about hahah
I feel like that might make the madness worse lol. It can never be killed once and for all, only comes in waves
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI always have 2 setups. One is my newer setup that I usually skate at parks and one is my older setup, which is just my last setup that isn't completely done yet but getting there and I usually use it for street.[close]
This makes sense to me. Even if my two setups are exactly the same. I thought it might be nice to have a slightly lighter weight board for at the end of a long day to switch to, but honestly it would be better to just have two identical ones. One of which I can experiment on and then test against the other. Which is what will probably kill the madness once and for all. When I inevitably can't tell a fuckin difference, or, I find something I really like[close]
I feel like that might make the madness worse lol. It can never be killed once and for all, only comes in waves
I've re-entered madness.
Toying with the concept of having a second setup. I've never had a second option so it'll be an experimental setup. I'm getting more ghost pop than I'd like on current setup so my thinking is get a lower truck and slightly smaller wheel, although I want to avoid getting in the weeds comparing kick angles.
Skate ledges, transition, some rails, lot of flatground on smooth surfaces.
Current: 8.25/8.38 twin/Indy 144 hollow forged XI/54 mm Spitfire CF 99a/Swiss/Mob or Pepper with stock orange Indy bushing.
That won't change.
Unless I find something I really like with the new idea to swap in: Same 8.25/8.38 twin and grip. But with Thunder for a lower truck 53 or 52mm Spitfire Radial or Conical 99 or 97.
Open to other truck brands but I'm more wondering cast or forged, standard/hollow, and how low to go on height.
Any recommendations?
I've re-entered madness.Yes, don't get a second setup.
Toying with the concept of having a second setup. I've never had a second option so it'll be an experimental setup. I'm getting more ghost pop than I'd like on current setup so my thinking is get a lower truck and slightly smaller wheel, although I want to avoid getting in the weeds comparing kick angles.
Skate ledges, transition, some rails, lot of flatground on smooth surfaces.
Current: 8.25/8.38 twin/Indy 144 hollow forged XI/54 mm Spitfire CF 99a/Swiss/Mob or Pepper with stock orange Indy bushing.
That won't change.
Unless I find something I really like with the new idea to swap in: Same 8.25/8.38 twin and grip. But with Thunder for a lower truck 53 or 52mm Spitfire Radial or Conical 99 or 97.
Open to other truck brands but I'm more wondering cast or forged, standard/hollow, and how low to go on height.
Any recommendations?
I've re-entered madness.For ghost pop, I usually try moving my popping foot out more, closer to the edge of the tail/nose.
Toying with the concept of having a second setup. I've never had a second option so it'll be an experimental setup. I'm getting more ghost pop than I'd like on current setup so my thinking is get a lower truck and slightly smaller wheel, although I want to avoid getting in the weeds comparing kick angles.
Skate ledges, transition, some rails, lot of flatground on smooth surfaces.
Current: 8.25/8.38 twin/Indy 144 hollow forged XI/54 mm Spitfire CF 99a/Swiss/Mob or Pepper with stock orange Indy bushing.
That won't change.
Unless I find something I really like with the new idea to swap in: Same 8.25/8.38 twin and grip. But with Thunder for a lower truck 53 or 52mm Spitfire Radial or Conical 99 or 97.
Open to other truck brands but I'm more wondering cast or forged, standard/hollow, and how low to go on height.
Any recommendations?
Yes, don't get a second setup.Expand QuoteI've re-entered madness.
Toying with the concept of having a second setup. I've never had a second option so it'll be an experimental setup. I'm getting more ghost pop than I'd like on current setup so my thinking is get a lower truck and slightly smaller wheel, although I want to avoid getting in the weeds comparing kick angles.
Skate ledges, transition, some rails, lot of flatground on smooth surfaces.
Current: 8.25/8.38 twin/Indy 144 hollow forged XI/54 mm Spitfire CF 99a/Swiss/Mob or Pepper with stock orange Indy bushing.
That won't change.
Unless I find something I really like with the new idea to swap in: Same 8.25/8.38 twin and grip. But with Thunder for a lower truck 53 or 52mm Spitfire Radial or Conical 99 or 97.
Open to other truck brands but I'm more wondering cast or forged, standard/hollow, and how low to go on height.
Any recommendations?[close]
Happens any stance so it really varies. I'll have to try the moving my foot out near the edge more.
Some days I'm sold on the idea of adding a second setup, because, well, I can financially and there aren't a ton of years left to skate so why not try different options might find something new that works.
Then I remember a trial with bushing madness that made me question sanity and reality. Which makes me think yeah, I'm good with what I got.
If you’re over 40….permission granted to buy another set up….Not quite there. But yeah Ace pushes wheelbase in even narrower than Indy. Some day I'll try Venture though I'm sure.
On a truck selection….Ace maybe? Don’t they push the front truck back and you’re already skating Indy’s? Maybe V8’s?
I've re-entered madness.
Toying with the concept of having a second setup. I've never had a second option so it'll be an experimental setup. I'm getting more ghost pop than I'd like on current setup so my thinking is get a lower truck and slightly smaller wheel, although I want to avoid getting in the weeds comparing kick angles.
Skate ledges, transition, some rails, lot of flatground on smooth surfaces.
Current: 8.25/8.38 twin/Indy 144 hollow forged XI/54 mm Spitfire CF 99a/Swiss/Mob or Pepper with stock orange Indy bushing.
That won't change.
Unless I find something I really like with the new idea to swap in: Same 8.25/8.38 twin and grip. But with Thunder for a lower truck 53 or 52mm Spitfire Radial or Conical 99 or 97.
Open to other truck brands but I'm more wondering cast or forged, standard/hollow, and how low to go on height.
Any recommendations?
Damn. That's exactly what I needed to see. Much appreciate that my dude. You should tuck that away as copypasta for the next poor soul at risk.
I'll go off into the sunset now, quietly ordering a 2mm smaller wheel.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Jordan 1's are better skate shoes than dunks imo
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Jordan 1's are better skate shoes than dunks imo
Expand QuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again.
Jordan 1's are better skate shoes than dunks imo[close]
They're the same shoe with different paneling.
Expand QuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again.
Jordan 1's are better skate shoes than dunks imo[close]
They're the same shoe with different paneling.
Any die hard Venture high or Indy forged (both roughly same height) riders switch and why? Having madness symptoms and want to get ahead of it.I was considering switching from venture back to Indy. Then I tried my friends board and it felt really squashy every time I popped anything. Like dull. That night I ordered a set of 6.1s. still awake
Any die hard Venture high or Indy forged (both roughly same height) riders switch and why? Having madness symptoms and want to get ahead of it.
Expand QuoteAny die hard Venture high or Indy forged (both roughly same height) riders switch and why? Having madness symptoms and want to get ahead of it.[close]
These trucks are absolutely nothing alike despite the height. I went from Indy forged to Venture in 2021 during the big craze. There's nothing new I can say about how either truck performs but Ventures always had top bushing issues and were just less fun to ride all around. The pop is closer to a standard Indy in terms of heaviness, but it accomplishes it in a different way. With an Indy I feel I can move my feet on the kicks and pop a lot of different ways but with Venture you either have heavy or really heavy. Way less fun on transition.
I see why people like them but they're not for me. I'd recommend not to choose trucks just based on one attribute like height. Look at all the people on here loving T2, which are 54mm, but they claim Indy are too tall at 55mm. It's more than just the height that makes them prefer the T2.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure why they wouldn’t throw an inverted kingpin in these. An almost perfect truck, but you do get kingpin hang up on smiths particularity on skatepark ledges.[close]
Believe it or not, there is not a single trick done with an inverted kingpin that wasn't done first with a regular one. (Aside from coming loose on their own)
Just grind it down and use wax as our forefathers did.
It's that simple.[close]
You can make that argument anytime anybody wants to modify/improve a part of their setup.
The process of grinding the kingpin down is a pain in the ass. It also sucks if you need to adjust your trucks.[close]
I feel you. I just can't help but feel the recent Renaissance of the IKP is really being pushed for by people that would be better off just spending more time skating than thinking about their setup.
And I'm saying this as someone who has historically over thought his setup. I even went through an IKP phase with a krux pin on some ace classics a while back, just because I was having trouble smithing this concrete ledge. It slightly helped, but in the end just improving my technique and working my regular trucks in left me with a better smith on that ledge than the IKP aces I concocted.
Not to mention all the fussing with jb weld and self loosening and not being able to see how tight they were.
And to add to all of this (definitely rambling now), every pro I've ever wanted to skate like has gotten the full lifespan out of a truck despite a regular kingpin getting mangled, and been able to do any trick I could ever dream of doing. You just kinda tighten a bit as you go, after the break in period of course, and before the pin and nut have fused.
By all means, people should/can experiment with their setup, but sometimes I read things from others that make me think about the depths of my madness over the last 8 years or so and how I tried nearly every truck/board/wheel shape combo from 8.25 -8.6 and I just ended up skating 8.38 14.5wb dlx, 149 Indy standards, and 56mm f4 classics in the end.
The most vanilla ass setup.
Tinkering and experimenting can be fun, but for myself (and others from what I've read in the madness thread) it winds up being more of a point of stress rather than exploration and enjoyment. So if I'm trying to say anything it's that you should make sure worrying about your setup doesn't impact the enjoyment you get while skating. If tinkering with you setup, tread lightly and make sure you still enjoy your session.
Having a child has greatly shifted my perspective on how I engage with my more limited time on my skateboard lol.
End rant, sorry for that. <3[close]
10000% agree.
And, you should repost this in the Madness thread.
Anyone ever just use a flanged 3/8 24 nut instead of a kingpin nut & washer
(https://i.ibb.co/pBK2GdY8/Screenshot-20251110-111236-297.png)
If that were the case, wouldn't the stock kingpin nuts come loose as well
Considering its the same thing
When you're standing on your board the pressure is going on the bottom bushing and the top one is chilling
I could see how it might though? Cause if the washer gets all ground down from feebles and shit, if it did the same on this flange nut, it might be able to spin it easier
That's pretty far down the road of annihilation tho
I figured it would grind better than the bones style flat washers for feebles and stuff cause it's not as sharp and loose, I think this might be cool for the flat top washer folks (of which I was one for a while)
Expand QuoteIf that were the case, wouldn't the stock kingpin nuts come loose as well
Considering its the same thing
When you're standing on your board the pressure is going on the bottom bushing and the top one is chilling
I could see how it might though? Cause if the washer gets all ground down from feebles and shit, if it did the same on this flange nut, it might be able to spin it easier
That's pretty far down the road of annihilation tho
I figured it would grind better than the bones style flat washers for feebles and stuff cause it's not as sharp and loose, I think this might be cool for the flat top washer folks (of which I was one for a while)[close]
The physical separation between the nut and washer would allow for one to rotate while the other stayed in place. Especially when the nut has nylock and the washer doesn't.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf that were the case, wouldn't the stock kingpin nuts come loose as well
Considering its the same thing
When you're standing on your board the pressure is going on the bottom bushing and the top one is chilling
I could see how it might though? Cause if the washer gets all ground down from feebles and shit, if it did the same on this flange nut, it might be able to spin it easier
That's pretty far down the road of annihilation tho
I figured it would grind better than the bones style flat washers for feebles and stuff cause it's not as sharp and loose, I think this might be cool for the flat top washer folks (of which I was one for a while)[close]
The physical separation between the nut and washer would allow for one to rotate while the other stayed in place. Especially when the nut has nylock and the washer doesn't.[close]
Definitely
That's how you get that Seattle rattle
But really though the flange isn't much bigger than a regular nut, and it's angled downward too (the flange is conical)
I don't think it would have any problems loosening
I guess now I have to try it
Just a random idea that popped into my head. Say you take a regular truck like a standard Indy. Get a hard or super hard top bushing, trim it down 50% in height, then file/angle grind the kingpin down by the same amount. Then you will effectively increase your kingpin clearance by a good few millimetres which is actually quite a lot for a truck. Hopefully the harder top bushing will offset the reduction in size somewhat equivalently. I may try this.
Brilliant! Thanks for the detailed reply and picture. Looks noticeable lower!Expand QuoteJust a random idea that popped into my head. Say you take a regular truck like a standard Indy. Get a hard or super hard top bushing, trim it down 50% in height, then file/angle grind the kingpin down by the same amount. Then you will effectively increase your kingpin clearance by a good few millimetres which is actually quite a lot for a truck. Hopefully the harder top bushing will offset the reduction in size somewhat equivalently. I may try this.[close]
It definitely works.
Any bushings, not just hard tops, with the top sanded / cut / machined down however you like it, adjusted to where you want it and then angle grinding the kingpin head down to match is something that I have been doing to my Indy trucks for a while now. I "cheated" and got a load of old stock, the Indy low bushings, in 92 duro (red) which work great for me, but I have used them to reshape other normal bushings too, or just free handed it with tools to get the tops down a bit more than they are.
In looking through posts, it was hard to find one that was clear enough, but this pic taken from this post (from 2021) should cover it nicely for you, or maybe give you a little inspiration to give it a go.
https://www.instagram.com/mbrimson88/p/COSXfL8ln0N/
(https://i.ibb.co/x8zv47yW/Indy-cut-down-kingpin-DIY.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KzVZ1rYd)
Things to note:
When angle grinding, especially if everything is still together, shield the wheel and bearing from the spray and don't go too heavy or hard, as it will heat up the kingpin so much that it can cook off the nyloc nut and melt the bushings.
Try to round off the kingpin head just a little too, which will make getting the nut off and back on so much easier.
Don't take off too much kingpin, just in case you have to adjust it or loosen it off a touch. I usually take down a couple of threads at the back and one thread at the front, or three at the back and two at the front, for really low top bushings.
Lastly, the lower bushing can cause the top washer to catch on the hanger, so a lower profile washer, or even a flat washer will work way better on there, as well as give the truck a little more turn, so you can get it down a touch more as well.
Good luck!!!
When you're standing on your board the pressure is going on the bottom bushing and the top one is chilling
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When you're standing on your board the pressure is going on the bottom bushing and the top one is chilling[close]
I like to imagine that after pressure is released off the bottom bushing, the top one helps recenter the trucks. And the harder and/or bigger the top bushing the faster or more responsive the recentering is. Madness??
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When you're standing on your board the pressure is going on the bottom bushing and the top one is chilling[close]
I like to imagine that after pressure is released off the bottom bushing, the top one helps recenter the trucks. And the harder and/or bigger the top bushing the faster or more responsive the recentering is. Madness??[close]
As far as I can tell both bushings receive equal amounts of pressure whenever the truck is pushed one way or the other. How can it be any different? This may be somewhat affirmed by some information I read on the Riptide bsuhing site which states that mixing top and bottom bushing hardness is pointless because it essentially equals halfway between the two bushing durometers (not technically pointless but no different from running a full set of whatever the halfway durometer equals).
Wouldn't it be safer to take the hanger and nut off before machining the kingpin down? Just marking the number of threads before grinding it down.
Don't know if I should try this as I've done lots of slappy smiths and feebles lately and my kingpin nut is like 30% gone and almost at the start of kingpin on the board side. I've had a hard time finding the sweet spot on DLX bushings so I wouldn't want to go through that headache again though. Maybe just go through the trucks as is and when I either axle the front or mess up the back kingpin and then I could try High V-Lights next. :P
Losing flip tricks on a shorter wheelbase???probably has less to do with wheelbase
i usually skate the bbs g90 shape 9x33 15wb, it's actually like 33.25 inches but a lot of sites list it was 33. Same deck as the antihero orange. I recently set up one of those shorter length shorter wheelbase 9" decks that's like half an inch shorter and the wheelbase is like 14.63 or something.
i'm having a heck of a time with flip tricks especially kickflips which i do a lot of. I was thinking if anything they'd be a bit easier but i'm like having trouble getting them to flip all the way around and they rocket like heck which i'd expect the longer deck to be more inclined to rocketing.
I'll also say i'm 6'4 and i don't take to change very well so it could definitely be a muscle memory thing but the other weird thing is that I also have an 8.5 with probably a 14.25wb that i ride extremely rarely like a few times a year for a few minutes only and i can kickflip that way more consistently than the shorter 9" even though i pretty much never ride the 8.5. i still kickflip the long 9x33 better than the 8.5 because that's my standard. But i'd think the 14.63 would be feeling somewhere in between the long wb 9 and the 8.5 but it's like i just can't do anything on this thing.
probably has less to do with wheelbaseExpand QuoteLosing flip tricks on a shorter wheelbase???
i usually skate the bbs g90 shape 9x33 15wb, it's actually like 33.25 inches but a lot of sites list it was 33. Same deck as the antihero orange. I recently set up one of those shorter length shorter wheelbase 9" decks that's like half an inch shorter and the wheelbase is like 14.63 or something.
i'm having a heck of a time with flip tricks especially kickflips which i do a lot of. I was thinking if anything they'd be a bit easier but i'm like having trouble getting them to flip all the way around and they rocket like heck which i'd expect the longer deck to be more inclined to rocketing.
I'll also say i'm 6'4 and i don't take to change very well so it could definitely be a muscle memory thing but the other weird thing is that I also have an 8.5 with probably a 14.25wb that i ride extremely rarely like a few times a year for a few minutes only and i can kickflip that way more consistently than the shorter 9" even though i pretty much never ride the 8.5. i still kickflip the long 9x33 better than the 8.5 because that's my standard. But i'd think the 14.63 would be feeling somewhere in between the long wb 9 and the 8.5 but it's like i just can't do anything on this thing.[close]
more to do with muscle memory
if you struggle to adapt to change
i wouldnt suggest deviating from what works
Anyone ever just use a flanged 3/8 24 nut instead of a kingpin nut & washer
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Well…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…
Well…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…
First, some quick background.
My long-standing DLX 8.25/14.38 been feeling real small to me, and my set-ups have been getting bigger. Been real happy with the LBL 8.75/14.5 for quite a while now.
Badly broke leg/ankle a while back. Two surgeries and hardware. Since then only been skating in Vans SK8-HI, because high-tops help cover-up (e.g. protect) the scar/hardware area on my ankle from direct board hits (BRUTAL when board hits me in the internal hardware area).
So, back to this afternoon. Board was in car. Had no intention of skating today. Ended up with a little spare time, so took board out to tool-around on a curb for a bit. I did not have my SK8-HIs with me, but I was wearing low-top Old-Schools. And that’s when things started getting really, really weird.
SK8-HIs seem a bit “wider” than Old-Schools…and suddenly my board (the 8.75) seemed impossibly huge with these “tiny slippers” of Vans I was wearing. Was I really stressing over a shoe/board combo???? Pre-ankle break, all I skated in was old-schools on the 8.25, which only started to feel small…once I started wearing SK8-HIs???
Has some of my board-size madness actually been a component of shoe madness that I never realized???
The world is on fire…and now this? ? ? ?
Expand QuoteWell…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…[close]
The pairing of shoes and board is something that is often overlooked, but I think it does deserve a bit of consideration.
I used to always wear skate shoes in size 11 to skate in, then a mix of 11 and 12 for work (all still skate shoes, mostly Vans but some others too over the years) until I developed ingrown toenails, especially my right / back foot big toe nail, so then would wear 11.5 when I could get them but gave up and have pretty much just gone for 12 now.
At first they were way too big, some more than others, but then my board also started to feel small when I was in anything other than 11s, so I ended up going up a board size too - now around 8.5, or DLX 8.38, but also branched out to have 8.75 and others on the go too. Maybe my foot shape has molded more to the bigger shoes, because they don't feel half as big as they used to, or maybe I am just more used to them, but flips are almost non existent in bigger shoes.
Some shoes will work way better on some width boards, some shoes just don't seem to work as well, so as I still have a lot of 11 and some 11.5 shoes, I skated in those today, in thin socks and everything on any board just felt so easy, balanced and the shoes felt thin enough to get a lot closer to the board.
Those same boards had felt almost awkward yesterday in some 12s of a different style, but both were still the regular Vans vulc soles, so there shouldn't have been much in it.
Long story short, yes different shoes will make a board feel way better, or not so good, maybe more so for some people, or even for what you want to skate, eg having a flat ground session in thicker shoes might be easier, having a transition session in thinner shoes might also be easier, but thin shoes when I am trying to do too much at a skatepark or street type stuff is just a bad combination usually.
I also wonder if the current state of the shoes makes much difference, eg newer shoes work better for more rolling around and not doing a whole lot of tech stuff, just nicely broken in shoes are best for the tech stuff, maybe a little more worn in for transition, but also sometimes well worn shoes with new grip on transition is good, but old shoes on street just hurts, unless I am only rolling round a carpark trying to break in new bushings or something similar.
* For you Sk8 Hi on bigger boards, Old Skools on smaller boards, might be the winning combination there, until the thinner shoes start causing too much pain to your old injury... Who knows though!?!
I'll one up you and say I wished they gave their inseam length so I can correlate leg length along with shoe size to triangulate the ideal width and wheelbase.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWell…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…[close]
The pairing of shoes and board is something that is often overlooked, but I think it does deserve a bit of consideration.
I used to always wear skate shoes in size 11 to skate in, then a mix of 11 and 12 for work (all still skate shoes, mostly Vans but some others too over the years) until I developed ingrown toenails, especially my right / back foot big toe nail, so then would wear 11.5 when I could get them but gave up and have pretty much just gone for 12 now.
At first they were way too big, some more than others, but then my board also started to feel small when I was in anything other than 11s, so I ended up going up a board size too - now around 8.5, or DLX 8.38, but also branched out to have 8.75 and others on the go too. Maybe my foot shape has molded more to the bigger shoes, because they don't feel half as big as they used to, or maybe I am just more used to them, but flips are almost non existent in bigger shoes.
Some shoes will work way better on some width boards, some shoes just don't seem to work as well, so as I still have a lot of 11 and some 11.5 shoes, I skated in those today, in thin socks and everything on any board just felt so easy, balanced and the shoes felt thin enough to get a lot closer to the board.
Those same boards had felt almost awkward yesterday in some 12s of a different style, but both were still the regular Vans vulc soles, so there shouldn't have been much in it.
Long story short, yes different shoes will make a board feel way better, or not so good, maybe more so for some people, or even for what you want to skate, eg having a flat ground session in thicker shoes might be easier, having a transition session in thinner shoes might also be easier, but thin shoes when I am trying to do too much at a skatepark or street type stuff is just a bad combination usually.
I also wonder if the current state of the shoes makes much difference, eg newer shoes work better for more rolling around and not doing a whole lot of tech stuff, just nicely broken in shoes are best for the tech stuff, maybe a little more worn in for transition, but also sometimes well worn shoes with new grip on transition is good, but old shoes on street just hurts, unless I am only rolling round a carpark trying to break in new bushings or something similar.
* For you Sk8 Hi on bigger boards, Old Skools on smaller boards, might be the winning combination there, until the thinner shoes start causing too much pain to your old injury... Who knows though!?![close]
...When I was fiddling with board sizes I was watching interviews of my fav pros describing their setup and I always wished (upon a star) they mentioned their shoe size. I gave up on finding that info and it felt weird trying to find it anyway lol
You can't even triangulate the ideal width and wheelbase for yourself. I don't think another person's inseam is gonna help you lolI'll one up you and say I wished they gave their inseam length so I can correlate leg length along with shoe size to triangulate the ideal width and wheelbase.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…[close]
The pairing of shoes and board is something that is often overlooked, but I think it does deserve a bit of consideration.
I used to always wear skate shoes in size 11 to skate in, then a mix of 11 and 12 for work (all still skate shoes, mostly Vans but some others too over the years) until I developed ingrown toenails, especially my right / back foot big toe nail, so then would wear 11.5 when I could get them but gave up and have pretty much just gone for 12 now.
At first they were way too big, some more than others, but then my board also started to feel small when I was in anything other than 11s, so I ended up going up a board size too - now around 8.5, or DLX 8.38, but also branched out to have 8.75 and others on the go too. Maybe my foot shape has molded more to the bigger shoes, because they don't feel half as big as they used to, or maybe I am just more used to them, but flips are almost non existent in bigger shoes.
Some shoes will work way better on some width boards, some shoes just don't seem to work as well, so as I still have a lot of 11 and some 11.5 shoes, I skated in those today, in thin socks and everything on any board just felt so easy, balanced and the shoes felt thin enough to get a lot closer to the board.
Those same boards had felt almost awkward yesterday in some 12s of a different style, but both were still the regular Vans vulc soles, so there shouldn't have been much in it.
Long story short, yes different shoes will make a board feel way better, or not so good, maybe more so for some people, or even for what you want to skate, eg having a flat ground session in thicker shoes might be easier, having a transition session in thinner shoes might also be easier, but thin shoes when I am trying to do too much at a skatepark or street type stuff is just a bad combination usually.
I also wonder if the current state of the shoes makes much difference, eg newer shoes work better for more rolling around and not doing a whole lot of tech stuff, just nicely broken in shoes are best for the tech stuff, maybe a little more worn in for transition, but also sometimes well worn shoes with new grip on transition is good, but old shoes on street just hurts, unless I am only rolling round a carpark trying to break in new bushings or something similar.
* For you Sk8 Hi on bigger boards, Old Skools on smaller boards, might be the winning combination there, until the thinner shoes start causing too much pain to your old injury... Who knows though!?![close]
...When I was fiddling with board sizes I was watching interviews of my fav pros describing their setup and I always wished (upon a star) they mentioned their shoe size. I gave up on finding that info and it felt weird trying to find it anyway lol[close]
Expand QuoteWell…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…
First, some quick background.
My long-standing DLX 8.25/14.38 been feeling real small to me, and my set-ups have been getting bigger. Been real happy with the LBL 8.75/14.5 for quite a while now.
Badly broke leg/ankle a while back. Two surgeries and hardware. Since then only been skating in Vans SK8-HI, because high-tops help cover-up (e.g. protect) the scar/hardware area on my ankle from direct board hits (BRUTAL when board hits me in the internal hardware area).
So, back to this afternoon. Board was in car. Had no intention of skating today. Ended up with a little spare time, so took board out to tool-around on a curb for a bit. I did not have my SK8-HIs with me, but I was wearing low-top Old-Schools. And that’s when things started getting really, really weird.
SK8-HIs seem a bit “wider” than Old-Schools…and suddenly my board (the 8.75) seemed impossibly huge with these “tiny slippers” of Vans I was wearing. Was I really stressing over a shoe/board combo???? Pre-ankle break, all I skated in was old-schools on the 8.25, which only started to feel small…once I started wearing SK8-HIs???
Has some of my board-size madness actually been a component of shoe madness that I never realized???
The world is on fire…and now this? ? ? ?[close]
i know you weren't really asking about this but every so often if my shins get real f'd up i protect them so they can heal better without worrying about opening up the scabs n crap. I use these deadlifting shin guards that really help. You can wear them low on your leg so you'd have protection even in low tops if you wanted to only wear lows. I like them better than soccer shin guards because they're more comfortable and they protect all the way around. it's just 5mm thick neoprene. you could even cut them to size if you don't need the full length of protection like if you just need to protect a little bit around your ankle.
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@Sedition keep in mind that this could just be a one off situation and don’t go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you’re used too.
After a long talk with @tzhangdox the other night I'm frying out on whether or not to try some 93s. Sounds like there's tons of benefits and I could use all the help I can get as far as taking some pressure off my knees and being able to skate longer etc. The main things I'm worried about are having them mess with flip tricks, not being able to get back to harder wheels once I got used to them, and being bothered by the sound, especially in clips. Like the Simon Bannerot footage in that new ASICS video just sounds kind of torched to me. Also just feels like 'cheating' somehow. Worth it to try 97s before going fully soft?
Expand QuoteAfter a long talk with @tzhangdox the other night I'm frying out on whether or not to try some 93s. Sounds like there's tons of benefits and I could use all the help I can get as far as taking some pressure off my knees and being able to skate longer etc. The main things I'm worried about are having them mess with flip tricks, not being able to get back to harder wheels once I got used to them, and being bothered by the sound, especially in clips. Like the Simon Bannerot footage in that new ASICS video just sounds kind of torched to me. Also just feels like 'cheating' somehow. Worth it to try 97s before going fully soft?[close]
First, they don’t cost all that much, so just give them a shot.
I mostly ride 53mm 99a Classics. I had sets of the old formula 97a, and they were just too sluggish for me.
I got a set of the 93a when they came out (53mm Classics). I, also, was really curious as to what effect they would have on my knees—but I never got to find out, because I went back my 99a. This pattern has repeated itself a few times (with the same set of 93s). I now only use the 93s for super crust situations.
Why didn’t I like them? A few reason. First, they felt really mushy, and I just couldnt get past it. Second, was the rebound, and by this I mean the “pop” they had on Ollies, etc. The pop just wasn’t as “crisp.” Don’t really know how to explain it, but I know you know what mean. Last, and this may sound very odd, I actually found them to be a bit more slippery than my 99s. Yes, you read that correctly. Where I seemed to notice this the most was actually on transition, during reverts, pivot to fakies, etc. On regular power slides, they did feel a bit more grippy, however.
They absolutely felt faster than the old 97a formula, and I will absolutely try 97a in the new formula when they are widely available, but for now, nothing beats F4 99s for general riding.
Also, a friend went from 99a to 93a and absolutely loves them, so it’s all personal choice.
Best of luck with it!
Appreciate the feedback. Not worried about the cost of trying them but I'm having madness about a scenario where I get too used to the smoothness/ease and can't switch back to a 99 despite 93s having an overall negative impact on my skating.
After a long talk with @tzhangdox the other night I'm frying out on whether or not to try some 93s. Sounds like there's tons of benefits and I could use all the help I can get as far as taking some pressure off my knees and being able to skate longer etc. The main things I'm worried about are having them mess with flip tricks, not being able to get back to harder wheels once I got used to them, and being bothered by the sound, especially in clips. Like the Simon Bannerot footage in that new ASICS video just sounds kind of torched to me. Also just feels like 'cheating' somehow. Worth it to try 97s before going fully soft?
I have my 93s on a set of old hangers. If I want to swap out wheels, I just switch the hangers—way easier/quicker than swapping out the wheels.
Appreciate the feedback. Not worried about the cost of trying them but I'm having madness about a scenario where I get too used to the smoothness/ease and can't switch back to a 99 despite 93s having an overall negative impact on my skating.I hated my 93, too bouncy. Maybe the latest release is a bit different. Maybe X97 or X95 are a good option for you.
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I have my 93s on a set of old hangers. If I want to swap out wheels, I just switch the hangers—way easier/quicker than swapping out the wheels.[close]
Dude. This is revelatory. Why haven't I thought of this? Thank you for the life hack.
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I have my 93s on a set of old hangers. If I want to swap out wheels, I just switch the hangers—way easier/quicker than swapping out the wheels.[close]
Dude. This is revelatory. Why haven't I thought of this? Thank you for the life hack.
I have my 93s on a set of old hangers. If I want to swap out wheels, I just switch the hangers—way easier/quicker than swapping out the wheels.
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I did this for a little bit. But ended up deciding not to because of a) grooves. b) more often than not I dont swap wheels on the sesh, so carrying around extra hangers AND wheels just felt like a bit much for that rare occasion. If you drive around or something, might make more sense though
This counts as gear sooo how long do most yall shoes last? What’s the indicator that it’s time? My kickflips have been ass lately to the point I thought the board was done so I got a new one and they still doing the same thing. Rocket flipping, landing hard on tail, missing flick I guess. Just learned that even tho my shoes still look good, if I want a good looking kickflip again it’s time for new ones.
This counts as gear sooo how long do most yall shoes last? What’s the indicator that it’s time? My kickflips have been ass lately to the point I thought the board was done so I got a new one and they still doing the same thing. Rocket flipping, landing hard on tail, missing flick I guess. Just learned that even tho my shoes still look good, if I want a good looking kickflip again it’s time for new ones.
I’ve had shoes feel “dead” before wearing through the soles. Especially if they get worn around a lot when I’m not skating. I keep a pair of shoes that I only wear when I’m skating and I have a few that I wear daily that I can skate in should a session manifest. I like a certain amount of flex/stiffness combo so when a shoe is past that point it feels unresponsive.
Also:
To me there’s a sweet spot in terms of wear when it comes to flip tricks. Once there’s not enough “lip” in the flick zone it feels like the shoe is lacking the right amount of resistance or traction to get enough power for a clean flick.
What’s the consensus on lurpiv and how do they compare to Indy and ace? Height, weight, turn feel, in relation to wb, longevity, how well the anti wheel bite actually works. I have ridden ace and Indy, on ventures rn, and really have been wanting to move on to either Indy or lurpiv. But lurpiv has me so intrigued. I don’t have a shop around me that carries them so I’ll have to order them but if they are more stable than ace, just as turny or more than Indy, and is as tall as Indy, ans weighs less than either than I’m down.In order as you asked:
In order as you asked:Expand QuoteWhat’s the consensus on lurpiv and how do they compare to Indy and ace? Height, weight, turn feel, in relation to wb, longevity, how well the anti wheel bite actually works. I have ridden ace and Indy, on ventures rn, and really have been wanting to move on to either Indy or lurpiv. But lurpiv has me so intrigued. I don’t have a shop around me that carries them so I’ll have to order them but if they are more stable than ace, just as turny or more than Indy, and is as tall as Indy, ans weighs less than either than I’m down.[close]
Metal feeling wise is pretty much like Ace (same factory, at easy on the AF1 variant).
The turn is amazing for me and the anti wheelbite thing really works. I was skating Indys for ages, made the switch to Ace and then tried Lurpiv. Loved them.
Same height as Indy and way lighter.
The only con for me is that there's not much meat on them. Other than that they're pretty nice.
Yes, the look is pretty disruptive abs there are days I really like how they look and others that I can't even look at them.
The brutalist truck sure is a great one.
There's less pinch so to speak but nothing dramatic. I've been skating them for like 6 months.Expand QuoteIn order as you asked:Expand QuoteWhat’s the consensus on lurpiv and how do they compare to Indy and ace? Height, weight, turn feel, in relation to wb, longevity, how well the anti wheel bite actually works. I have ridden ace and Indy, on ventures rn, and really have been wanting to move on to either Indy or lurpiv. But lurpiv has me so intrigued. I don’t have a shop around me that carries them so I’ll have to order them but if they are more stable than ace, just as turny or more than Indy, and is as tall as Indy, ans weighs less than either than I’m down.[close]
Metal feeling wise is pretty much like Ace (same factory, at easy on the AF1 variant).
The turn is amazing for me and the anti wheelbite thing really works. I was skating Indys for ages, made the switch to Ace and then tried Lurpiv. Loved them.
Same height as Indy and way lighter.
The only con for me is that there's not much meat on them. Other than that they're pretty nice.
Yes, the look is pretty disruptive abs there are days I really like how they look and others that I can't even look at them.
The brutalist truck sure is a great one.[close]
Two more questions: how does the anti wheel bite affect the pinch? And how long have u been on em?
After catching up on the last 3 pages I feel completely sane.
By saying how attractive is to have the option of trying different WB with V8 on the same boardExpand QuoteAfter catching up on the last 3 pages I feel completely sane.[close]
How can we help make that feeling go away?
My experience seems to echo those of other Lurpiv riders here:
Pros
- Turn is amazing. Deep, but stable and they're hard to WB. It's like what T2 want to be.
- They're light, but tall and space your wheels out. The pop feel is very unique: light but not anemic.
Cons
- The pinch is quite bad. I'd put it on par with Ace.
- KP clearance is horrible, the worst of any tall/turny truck. I'm surprised it's as bad as it is.
- The baseplate is very angled and it either slides or sticks, very unpredictable.
Honestly I don't see them lasting long. It's an Ace or T2 with worse clearance. Mine are binned and I now ride T2 instead and can't see why anyone would ever choose Lurpiv over Ace/Indy/T2 or even Slappy. They desperately need IKP and even then what do you get over the others? Swap your bushings if you want more stability out of them.
After catching up on the last 3 pages I feel completely sane.
I usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?
I usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?
I usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.going up in increments is recommended
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?
I usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?
I usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?
I usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?
Expand QuoteI usually ride 8.25-8.5 DLX boards with 14-14.25 wheelbase on Venture 5.8s.
I’m 6’2” and 210 lbs and those boards have been starting to feel too short.
Looking at sizing up to the 8.62, 14.75 wheelbase Antihero, but I’m not sure what trucks to use. With that long of a wheelbase, I worry Ventures wouldn’t be a good match.
Currently leaning toward Thunder T-2 151s or the new hollow version of the Indy Stage IVs.
Any thoughts?[close]
Why not try DLX 8.38? Wheelbase is 14.5, that’s a quarter inch longer and the width measures closer to 8.5. You won’t have to try new trucks. It’s also a very common shape from them so if you like it you’ll have no problems getting that shape again.
Well the idea is to try the width and wb of someone with the same inseam as me. Leg length I would think effects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.You can't even triangulate the ideal width and wheelbase for yourself. I don't think another person's inseam is gonna help you lolExpand QuoteI'll one up you and say I wished they gave their inseam length so I can correlate leg length along with shoe size to triangulate the ideal width and wheelbase.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell…I had a whole other door-to-Madness open up on me this afternoon that I never saw coming…[close]
The pairing of shoes and board is something that is often overlooked, but I think it does deserve a bit of consideration.
I used to always wear skate shoes in size 11 to skate in, then a mix of 11 and 12 for work (all still skate shoes, mostly Vans but some others too over the years) until I developed ingrown toenails, especially my right / back foot big toe nail, so then would wear 11.5 when I could get them but gave up and have pretty much just gone for 12 now.
At first they were way too big, some more than others, but then my board also started to feel small when I was in anything other than 11s, so I ended up going up a board size too - now around 8.5, or DLX 8.38, but also branched out to have 8.75 and others on the go too. Maybe my foot shape has molded more to the bigger shoes, because they don't feel half as big as they used to, or maybe I am just more used to them, but flips are almost non existent in bigger shoes.
Some shoes will work way better on some width boards, some shoes just don't seem to work as well, so as I still have a lot of 11 and some 11.5 shoes, I skated in those today, in thin socks and everything on any board just felt so easy, balanced and the shoes felt thin enough to get a lot closer to the board.
Those same boards had felt almost awkward yesterday in some 12s of a different style, but both were still the regular Vans vulc soles, so there shouldn't have been much in it.
Long story short, yes different shoes will make a board feel way better, or not so good, maybe more so for some people, or even for what you want to skate, eg having a flat ground session in thicker shoes might be easier, having a transition session in thinner shoes might also be easier, but thin shoes when I am trying to do too much at a skatepark or street type stuff is just a bad combination usually.
I also wonder if the current state of the shoes makes much difference, eg newer shoes work better for more rolling around and not doing a whole lot of tech stuff, just nicely broken in shoes are best for the tech stuff, maybe a little more worn in for transition, but also sometimes well worn shoes with new grip on transition is good, but old shoes on street just hurts, unless I am only rolling round a carpark trying to break in new bushings or something similar.
* For you Sk8 Hi on bigger boards, Old Skools on smaller boards, might be the winning combination there, until the thinner shoes start causing too much pain to your old injury... Who knows though!?![close]
...When I was fiddling with board sizes I was watching interviews of my fav pros describing their setup and I always wished (upon a star) they mentioned their shoe size. I gave up on finding that info and it felt weird trying to find it anyway lol[close][close]
….Leg length I would think affects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.
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….Leg length I would think affects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.[close]
Exactly this.
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….Leg length I would think affects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.[close]
Exactly this.[close]
I'm 6' 4" 34" inseam. Can confirm.
Need a 14.5 wb
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….Leg length I would think affects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.[close]
Exactly this.[close]
I'm 6' 4" 34" inseam. Can confirm.
Need a 14.5 wb[close]
How does that confirm? Thats a normal inseam for being 6ft4 and 14.5 is also a pretty normal, albeit slightly longer wheelbase length.
I've been considering the overall length of the board more lately, to me its just as important since that + wheelbase somewhat determine the length of your kicks, which also affects the pop. Sometimes having more overall length is more confidence inducing than just having a long wheelbase imo. Obviously all these factors are very important and its hard to make blanket statements as they all interact with each other. Stressful to think about
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….Leg length I would think affects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.[close]
Exactly this.[close]
I'm 6' 4" 34" inseam. Can confirm.
Need a 14.5 wb[close]
How does that confirm? Thats a normal inseam for being 6ft4 and 14.5 is also a pretty normal, albeit slightly longer wheelbase length.
I've been considering the overall length of the board more lately, to me its just as important since that + wheelbase somewhat determine the length of your kicks, which also affects the pop. Sometimes having more overall length is more confidence inducing than just having a long wheelbase imo. Obviously all these factors are very important and its hard to make blanket statements as they all interact with each other. Stressful to think about[close]
From what I've read on here it seems like most people prefer shorter wb than that. Normally 14.25 and under. But I could be wrong, idk haha.
I would like to try a longer wb tbh, but I can't find a shape I like with something longer that isn't wider than 8.5. that's kinda where I maxx out width wise (unless we're talking a cruiser or something)
I tried that dlx 8.62 with a 14.75 wb I think? And it generally felt pretty good in terms of wb/length but the width and kicks were not to my liking. I normally skate the 8.38 14.5 wb dlx for reference.
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….Leg length I would think affects what wb works the best. Even more than a person's height.[close]
Exactly this.[close]
I'm 6' 4" 34" inseam. Can confirm.
Need a 14.5 wb[close]
How does that confirm? Thats a normal inseam for being 6ft4 and 14.5 is also a pretty normal, albeit slightly longer wheelbase length.
I've been considering the overall length of the board more lately, to me its just as important since that + wheelbase somewhat determine the length of your kicks, which also affects the pop. Sometimes having more overall length is more confidence inducing than just having a long wheelbase imo. Obviously all these factors are very important and its hard to make blanket statements as they all interact with each other. Stressful to think about[close]
From what I've read on here it seems like most people prefer shorter wb than that. Normally 14.25 and under. But I could be wrong, idk haha.
I would like to try a longer wb tbh, but I can't find a shape I like with something longer that isn't wider than 8.5. that's kinda where I maxx out width wise (unless we're talking a cruiser or something)
I tried that dlx 8.62 with a 14.75 wb I think? And it generally felt pretty good in terms of wb/length but the width and kicks were not to my liking. I normally skate the 8.38 14.5 wb dlx for reference.[close]
Yeah, for me most boards with wb over 14.5 feel like a bit too much to throw around
I'm 6ft5, same inseam as you, size 13. I think as long as I don't go under 14.25, and the board isn't shorter than 32, I'm pretty comfortable. Usually am on ventures though, on some shorter wb trucks I'd probably want to stick to 14.38-14.5.
Currently on the AWS 8.25 shape, 32.25 14.25. Feels great on ventures, really comfortable
Something like the 8.62 14.75 would be super comfortable for skating fast etc, but definitely a lot more skateboard than I need.
Y'all tall folks riding 14.25s just further confirming my decision to seek out 14s 😆
...cause 8.5 x 14.25 and 8.25 x 14.25 are industry standard right now...
...But man, with 14.25, you just got so many more choices...
I didn't like how the more square shapes felt on crooks especially in softer duros
I'm on some 99a F4 bighead shape right now, like them a lot.
Worn-down 55/56mm classics are the shit, but I get so thrown off putting a new set back on since there's a pretty decent difference in width and weight between the 54s and 56s
Would be cool if they had bighead/classic full in all the duros that regular classics are in, but it's prolly not gonna happen except for one-off/seasonal releases so if they do any F4 bigheads or F4 classic fulls, stock up
I didn't like how the more square shapes felt on crooks especially in softer duros
I'm on some 99a F4 bighead shape right now, like them a lot.
Worn-down 55/56mm classics are the shit, but I get so thrown off putting a new set back on since there's a pretty decent difference in width and weight between the 54s and 56s
Would be cool if they had bighead/classic full in all the duros that regular classics are in, but it's prolly not gonna happen except for one-off/seasonal releases so if they do any F4 bigheads or F4 classic fulls, stock up
Expand QuoteI didn't like how the more square shapes felt on crooks especially in softer duros
I'm on some 99a F4 bighead shape right now, like them a lot.
Worn-down 55/56mm classics are the shit, but I get so thrown off putting a new set back on since there's a pretty decent difference in width and weight between the 54s and 56s
Would be cool if they had bighead/classic full in all the duros that regular classics are in, but it's prolly not gonna happen except for one-off/seasonal releases so if they do any F4 bigheads or F4 classic fulls, stock up[close]
I tried tablets once and had a a similar experience. Unless you’re skating really rough ledges, the square edge kind of locks you into a specific pinch whereas the classic shape lets you shift around
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I'm on some 99a F4 bighead shape right now, like them a lot.
Worn-down 55/56mm classics are the shit, but I get so thrown off putting a new set back on since there's a pretty decent difference in width and weight between the 54s and 56s
Would be cool if they had bighead/classic full in all the duros that regular classics are in, but it's prolly not gonna happen except for one-off/seasonal releases so if they do any F4 bigheads or F4 classic fulls, stock up[close]
I’m pretty new to riding Spitfires. Are you saying the chances of them making Classic Fulls in new 97 duro, 52-54mm are slim or if they do, it could be difficult to come across? Trying to resist temptation of picking up the current 53 99 Classic Fulls.
Same, I thought “classic” shapes were too old tech and most of all, too skinny so I’ve mostly been riding Conicals, specifically full sizes like F4 CF or NanoCubics, which are a conical shape on the inside. I was noticing my NanoCubics squeak a lot on crooks but not sure if that was because they are pretty new, or the Dragon 97 formula. Didn’t think it was the shape since I don’t notice it as much or at all with F4 CFs.
Are most of you saying it’s the grind or lock in that bothers you with more squared shapes? Because that part, I’m ok with. It’s the pop out I’ve been having trouble with that the classic shape has helped with.
On the note of grinding down regular Classics, I don’t want to deal with that, which is where the Classic Full shape comes in for me. I don’t think Radials are going to cut it for me based on my shape diagram overlays I posted and my limited experimenting with similar wheel shapes although I have not specifically tried F4 Radials. For all purposes, the 53mm 99 Classic Fulls that just came out should be perfect for me but I’m just greedy and really want to try the same size and shape in their new 97 duro.
I didn't post about it here, but about four months ago I went through a bit of deck madness. It hadn't happened in quite awhile, and that little bout confirmed my current set-up choices, so, that was good, actually. It's been smooth sailing since then (and I actually got rid of/gave away all my extra madness-related gear). I only have one set-up now (not inc. cruiser, polarizer, etc.), and I am really happy with it.
There is, however, one thing left I've wanted to try. 151 T-2s (with much harder bushings) on my 8.75 deck. Tactics is have a 20% off sale, so I just got a set for $42 bucks. Can't say no that. If I don't like them, anyone on here can have them for free (just pay shipping).
Updates to come...
Same, I thought “classic” shapes were too old tech and most of all, too skinny so I’ve mostly been riding Conicals, specifically full sizes like F4 CF or NanoCubics, which are a conical shape on the inside. I was noticing my NanoCubics squeak a lot on crooks but not sure if that was because they are pretty new, or the Dragon 97 formula. Didn’t think it was the shape since I don’t notice it as much or at all with F4 CFs.
Are most of you saying it’s the grind or lock in that bothers you with more squared shapes? Because that part, I’m ok with. It’s the pop out I’ve been having trouble with that the classic shape has helped with.
On the note of grinding down regular Classics, I don’t want to deal with that, which is where the Classic Full shape comes in for me. I don’t think Radials are going to cut it for me based on my shape diagram overlays I posted and my limited experimenting with similar wheel shapes although I have not specifically tried F4 Radials. For all purposes, the 53mm 99 Classic Fulls that just came out should be perfect for me but I’m just greedy and really want to try the same size and shape in their new 97 duro.
Expand QuoteI didn't post about it here, but about four months ago I went through a bit of deck madness. It hadn't happened in quite awhile, and that little bout confirmed my current set-up choices, so, that was good, actually. It's been smooth sailing since then (and I actually got rid of/gave away all my extra madness-related gear). I only have one set-up now (not inc. cruiser, polarizer, etc.), and I am really happy with it.
There is, however, one thing left I've wanted to try. 151 T-2s (with much harder bushings) on my 8.75 deck. Tactics is have a 20% off sale, so I just got a set for $42 bucks. Can't say no that. If I don't like them, anyone on here can have them for free (just pay shipping).
Updates to come...[close]
The biggest thing to note with the T-II bushings, if things just feel way too soft and mushy, wipe them all down - the bushings, the washers, whatever they contact, then try them again. Also leaving the board for a bit once you had a session or two on them, which gave mine a bit of time to firm up and sure enough, they actually firmed up more than the 94 duro Thunder bushings I have on another board, so I had to let them off half a turn.
Also after a few sessions, I felt like they were well worn in, bounced back nicely and had none - zero - of the initial wobbly loose, unbalanced feeling of them when I first put them on a board. I guess anyone could have their own views of how they work, but this is what happened for me.
I set up two sets on identical boards, just to see, one with the stock bushings, then one with a test of regular Thunder 90, 94, 95, 97 and 100s and the 100s felt a touch firm but they were very good to go right from the first session. They were all pre broken in bushings though, as I have some for testing, but even a set of new Thunder bushings, wiped off and good to go after one or two sessions of mellow rolling around.
For once, madness free for the T-II trucks, especially after reading all the things about them being way too loose to start with, which they absolutely were to me at first too.
* I have both sets of my Thunder T-II trucks with the kingpins in about the same position as my Indy trucks, eg back kingpin down two threads, front down one thread, then angle grinded off the excess kingpin to have everything flush, which also gives me more kingpin clearance, especially on the back truck for all the decker smith variations I like to do.
I didn't post about it here, but about four months ago I went through a bit of deck madness. It hadn't happened in quite awhile, and that little bout confirmed my current set-up choices, so, that was good, actually. It's been smooth sailing since then (and I actually got rid of/gave away all my extra madness-related gear). I only have one set-up now (not inc. cruiser, polarizer, etc.), and I am really happy with it.
There is, however, one thing left I've wanted to try. 151 T-2s (with much harder bushings) on my 8.75 deck. Tactics is have a 20% off sale, so I just got a set for $42 bucks. Can't say no that. If I don't like them, anyone on here can have them for free (just pay shipping).
Updates to come...
Brothers,
As of today, I have given away all my different trucks and wheels that I would swap between during fits of madness.
I feel clean, and whole once more.
After all this time I have settled on some of the most common and readily available components. 8.38 14.5 wb dlx, 149 Indy standards, 56mm 99a f4 classics.
My Christmas wish is for everyone here to find this kind of peace in the upcoming new year.
Bless you all and may your madness be settled. I love you.
Not really a per-se Madness thing, but this seems like a good place to post it.
I just did something…dramatic. Tactics is a 20% sale, so….I just ordered some Swiss ceramics. Always been curious about them…now we’ll find out.
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I just did something…dramatic. Tactics is a 20% sale, so….I just ordered some Swiss ceramics. Always been curious about them…now we’ll find out.[close]
Of all the usual things, bearings are one that I don't ever take for granted these days, even though I have been testing a number of cheap bearings, just to see how they hold up.
Coming from riding regular Swiss for quite a while, changing down to any other more basic bearings is one thing, but changing up to Swiss Ceramics, it will be interesting to see what you say about them.
What were you riding before, or have had in the past?
Need some advice. Currently I'm riding standard 159 independents. Almost cured my gear madness. Even found myself putting the spare madness setup back in to the trunk without trying it and continued to ride my normal setup with indies.
There is one thing that makes me curious. Hollow or forged hollow vs standard. Is it worth it? Will 80g less weight really make a difference? I know I should probably just keep skating my standard 159s...
Need some advice. Currently I'm riding standard 159 independents. Almost cured my gear madness. Even found myself putting the spare madness setup back in to the trunk without trying it and continued to ride my normal setup with indies.
There is one thing that makes me curious. Hollow or forged hollow vs standard. Is it worth it? Will 80g less weight really make a difference? I know I should probably just keep skating my standard 159s...
This is all incredibly subjective of course. But the standards tend to push through grinds better and feel more damp and less rattle-y if that makes any sense. While it may take more energy to influence how the board moves, what this also means is that once the board is moving it tends to follow through whatever motion and is disrupted less easily. Hard to describe entirely.
Brothers,
As of today, I have given away all my different trucks and wheels that I would swap between during fits of madness.
I feel clean, and whole once more.
After all this time I have settled on some of the most common and readily available components. 8.38 14.5 wb dlx, 149 Indy standards, 56mm 99a f4 classics.
My Christmas wish is for everyone here to find this kind of peace in the upcoming new year.
Bless you all and may your madness be settled. I love you.
Anyone try cast baseplates with Titanium hangers? Should I just avoid the madness or is there any benefit? The weight difference wouldn't be massive, right?
I have tried forge Indy's twice now (1 year a part) and have gone back to my cast standards each time. I even tried the titaniums here's what I learned:
- the lighter the truck the slower the grind will be
- grinding feels "hollow" almost like rubbing an empty soup can against the ledge. (to me it feels like shit)
- when you pop you don't feel like your board is going to stay with you, it almost feels like your set up could blow away in the wind before you get on the ledge/rail
The only positive is stamina for flip tricks. Meaning since your set up is so lite your lower body doesn't fatigue as quickly. It's comparable to kicking a 1 pound soccer ball around versus a 5 pound soccer ball.
I was in the shop this week and a younger employee that could be full of shit said the Indy pre books having Iron Cross merch again.
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I was in the shop this week and a younger employee that could be full of shit said the Indy pre books having Iron Cross merch again.[close]
Hewitt's last IG post was this (see below). It had me wondering, plus what was in the comment section. Now seeing your comments, too...
https://www.instagram.com/p/DSEj1qmFEh0/
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I was in the shop this week and a younger employee that could be full of shit said the Indy pre books having Iron Cross merch again.[close]
Hewitt's last IG post was this (see below). It had me wondering, plus what was in the comment section. Now seeing your comments, too...
https://www.instagram.com/p/DSEj1qmFEh0/[close]
Saw THawk and lil motorcycle man rocking it recently on what looked to be new clothing during some event or another.
The political climate is certainly in the favor of the “anti woke” crowd so maybe Indy is just gonna bring it back as quietly as they removed it and lean into the zeitgeist.
After all that shit they bring the cross back...? Losing all faith in NHS.
I'd have more respect if they'd just held their ground in the beginning...
I've found a happy place with my Standard 149s. However, I do have a pair of old Titanium 149s as well.
Anyone try cast baseplates with Titanium hangers? Should I just avoid the madness or is there any benefit? The weight difference wouldn't be massive, right?
To all yall that tried the cast hollows and didn’t like em. I’m curious what size yall skated them in? I feel once you get to 149s and up you should still get a solid enough heft to push it through grinds? Just a curiosity question
To all yall that tried the cast hollows and didn’t like em. I’m curious what size yall skated them in? I feel once you get to 149s and up you should still get a solid enough heft to push it through grinds? Just a curiosity question
To all yall that tried the cast hollows and didn’t like em. I’m curious what size yall skated them in? I feel once you get to 149s and up you should still get a solid enough heft to push it through grinds? Just a curiosity question
Expand QuoteTo all yall that tried the cast hollows and didn’t like em. I’m curious what size yall skated them in? I feel once you get to 149s and up you should still get a solid enough heft to push it through grinds? Just a curiosity question[close]
144, 149, 159
I prefer standards and only skate 149s now
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTo all yall that tried the cast hollows and didn’t like em. I’m curious what size yall skated them in? I feel once you get to 149s and up you should still get a solid enough heft to push it through grinds? Just a curiosity question[close]
144, 149, 159
I prefer standards and only skate 149s now[close]
I feel like 149s and 159s are the most "magical" Indy in terms of how the turn feels.
Leverage? I dunno. I agree though, I love 149, 159, and 169. I used to have some 169 standards and they were killer. I think a lot of folks agree that the proportions and turn start to feel really good around at 149
I think with the shorter axle on 139/144 it feels stiffer or something.
And apart from having more board to land on when jumping down stuff, maybe the 8.5 deck + 139s combo turns better too because of more leverage from the wider deck
Didn't Leo Romero used to skate 129s on like an 8" or 8.25"? He ended up finally switching to 139s a while back hahah
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I think 8" and 8.25" trucks are best when they're lower, and with a wider wheelbase. So like, thunders or venture lows. And the thunder 8" are lower than the thunder 8.25"... Indy 144s are good but I like matching my wheels to the edge of my board(149s on 8.25 deck) and indys are kinda tall for an 8" board for me, I know lots of pros ran Indy 139s though throughout the 90s and beyond... I think these sizes work best with sub-52mm wheels but you can absolutely have a good time on 144s with 56mm wheels, I just don't like how it feels say, 50-50ing a ledge cause it's not as flat to stand on as a wider truck, tougher to pinch on rails, etc
For 8.5" trucks, I think Indy works the best imo but pretty much any mid or high truck from any brand works great in this size depending on how you like your pop angle/feel(truck wheelbase). I think these work best with like, 52 to 54mm wheels but depending on your wheelbite situation or how you like your pop angle, I've ran 58mm radials on 149s with no risers and it worked really well. I think 149s work really well for pinching and locking on rails, vs the tighter trucks, 139s, like double-heel locked 50-50s in the 90s
For 8.75 and 9" trucks I think Aces work best, with bigger boards often having longer wheelbases, and wider setups often having bigger wheels... The smaller wheelbase of Aces balances it out a lil. Indy, lurpiv, slappy, good here too if you like a steeper pop angle.. but if you use smaller wheels on a wide truck those might work better for you than aces
And then there's kick angles on certain decks, like a mellow kick deck might work really good with indys, lurpivs, venture highs, whatever and a board with steeper kicks might match aces pretty good... And if you want the chillest pop angle you can run like, smaller wheels, aces, and a baker OG shape or easy rider or something
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149s for me seem to be the sweet spot, for running 8.25 or 8.5 boards
I mean for stage 7 and 8, they were 146s(8.375"). I had a couple sets of each and loved them, then I went to 149s cause they both had a 4 in it and figured it was the same shit
I don't know why I don't like 144s as much, I should try some again since I've only had hollows in em... But I think 149 are more versatile.. I can slap some old super ground down 149s on a reissue 80s board and wheels and they fit right in. 139/144 are like, 90s size trucks to me... And if your riding those sizes you're either into like, tech skating, or are a smaller person, or whatever. The 8.25" trucks are hugely popular though and hella pros ride them, Jerry and Spanly included... Also a lot of kids think you absolutely have to match your board size exactly to your truck size, and 8.25 is the best selling board size right now
It's such a small difference between 144 and 149 but there's just something about the 149s, heavy as they are, that I like so much
Expand QuoteLeverage? I dunno. I agree though, I love 149, 159, and 169. I used to have some 169 standards and they were killer. I think a lot of folks agree that the proportions and turn start to feel really good around at 149
I think with the shorter axle on 139/144 it feels stiffer or something.
And apart from having more board to land on when jumping down stuff, maybe the 8.5 deck + 139s combo turns better too because of more leverage from the wider deck
Didn't Leo Romero used to skate 129s on like an 8" or 8.25"? He ended up finally switching to 139s a while back hahah
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I think 8" and 8.25" trucks are best when they're lower, and with a wider wheelbase. So like, thunders or venture lows. And the thunder 8" are lower than the thunder 8.25"... Indy 144s are good but I like matching my wheels to the edge of my board(149s on 8.25 deck) and indys are kinda tall for an 8" board for me, I know lots of pros ran Indy 139s though throughout the 90s and beyond... I think these sizes work best with sub-52mm wheels but you can absolutely have a good time on 144s with 56mm wheels, I just don't like how it feels say, 50-50ing a ledge cause it's not as flat to stand on as a wider truck, tougher to pinch on rails, etc
For 8.5" trucks, I think Indy works the best imo but pretty much any mid or high truck from any brand works great in this size depending on how you like your pop angle/feel(truck wheelbase). I think these work best with like, 52 to 54mm wheels but depending on your wheelbite situation or how you like your pop angle, I've ran 58mm radials on 149s with no risers and it worked really well. I think 149s work really well for pinching and locking on rails, vs the tighter trucks, 139s, like double-heel locked 50-50s in the 90s
For 8.75 and 9" trucks I think Aces work best, with bigger boards often having longer wheelbases, and wider setups often having bigger wheels... The smaller wheelbase of Aces balances it out a lil. Indy, lurpiv, slappy, good here too if you like a steeper pop angle.. but if you use smaller wheels on a wide truck those might work better for you than aces
And then there's kick angles on certain decks, like a mellow kick deck might work really good with indys, lurpivs, venture highs, whatever and a board with steeper kicks might match aces pretty good... And if you want the chillest pop angle you can run like, smaller wheels, aces, and a baker OG shape or easy rider or something
----idk-----
149s for me seem to be the sweet spot, for running 8.25 or 8.5 boards
I mean for stage 7 and 8, they were 146s(8.375"). I had a couple sets of each and loved them, then I went to 149s cause they both had a 4 in it and figured it was the same shit
I don't know why I don't like 144s as much, I should try some again since I've only had hollows in em... But I think 149 are more versatile.. I can slap some old super ground down 149s on a reissue 80s board and wheels and they fit right in. 139/144 are like, 90s size trucks to me... And if your riding those sizes you're either into like, tech skating, or are a smaller person, or whatever. The 8.25" trucks are hugely popular though and hella pros ride them, Jerry and Spanly included... Also a lot of kids think you absolutely have to match your board size exactly to your truck size, and 8.25 is the best selling board size right now
It's such a small difference between 144 and 149 but there's just something about the 149s, heavy as they are, that I like so much[close]
Yeah, 144s just feel...tighter, and more...linear(??). I don't know how else to explain it. When you go from 144 to 149 it's just like, "OH! This is what a stable yet deep any surfy turn is supposed to feel like!"
Shooot I meant to ask forged hollows not cast hollows in my original question/post. I like the height of the forged but miss the extra heft the forged standards had. That why my initial thought would be that wouldn’t 149’and up still carry a decent amount of heft
i forgot to chime in with my agreement to the indy standard grind: pretty ideal. the older metal was better for this, but current standards really do grind threw whatever. i think my ideal would be forged plate, for height, and solid axle, for heft. i skate too slow. on a chunky ledge, a lighter truck chatters around.
i forgot to chime in with my agreement to the indy standard grind: pretty ideal. the older metal was better for this, but current standards really do grind threw whatever. i think my ideal would be forged plate, for height, and solid axle, for heft. i skate too slow. on a chunky ledge, a lighter truck chatters around.
I have tried forge Indy's twice now (1 year a part) and have gone back to my cast standards each time. I even tried the titaniums here's what I learned:All this talk and I'm thinking, "My Tensor Maglights are light as shit and grind faster and smoother than anything else I've tried." ;D
- the lighter the truck the slower the grind will be
- grinding feels "hollow" almost like rubbing an empty soup can against the ledge. (to me it feels like shit)
- when you pop you don't feel like your board is going to stay with you, it almost feels like your set up could blow away in the wind before you get on the ledge/rail
The only positive is stamina for flip tricks. Meaning since your set up is so lite your lower body doesn't fatigue as quickly. It's comparable to kicking a 1 pound soccer ball around versus a 5 pound soccer ball.
All in all I hate that I wasted money buying these but at least I know for the future no matter what trucks I try next they will have to be cast.
Expand Quotei forgot to chime in with my agreement to the indy standard grind: pretty ideal. the older metal was better for this, but current standards really do grind threw whatever. i think my ideal would be forged plate, for height, and solid axle, for heft. i skate too slow. on a chunky ledge, a lighter truck chatters around.[close]
My last decision on my setup was between standards or forged plate with a standard hanger.
Ended up on the standards because the forged plates didn't feel as good while riding around, and they still felt to light in some situations.
I was over rotating/flipping tricks a lot in comparison to standards.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotei forgot to chime in with my agreement to the indy standard grind: pretty ideal. the older metal was better for this, but current standards really do grind threw whatever. i think my ideal would be forged plate, for height, and solid axle, for heft. i skate too slow. on a chunky ledge, a lighter truck chatters around.[close]
My last decision on my setup was between standards or forged plate with a standard hanger.
Ended up on the standards because the forged plates didn't feel as good while riding around, and they still felt to light in some situations.
I was over rotating/flipping tricks a lot in comparison to standards.[close]
yeah if i wasn’t made of wet tissue paper and could toss around 149 standards i’d be about it too. over rotating!? smdh. sounds like strong-boi shit. could not be me.
i’ve broken recorded this so many times but big boards feel great, until they don’t (20 minutes into the session for me). i’m stuck in 1994, but don’t want to skate a 7.5. meaning i’m out here just trying to hang onto some flatground floppery and call it a day.
a large amount of my madness and me even being on slap revolves around 149s and how i cannot hang.
Another thing with a lighter setup is that everything just seems to stick to your feet less.
First time posting on here so sorry for coming out of left field with a random few paragraphs, don’t really know if I have gear madness but i did bounce around trucks for a min there before settling on ventures… i never get the disdain for ventures due to the stock bushings just switch em out lolWell my friend, yes you have it.
Ya’ll had gotten me curious though on the geometry and I couldn’t find anything on if doh dohs and skatecushes were the same height and I got all in my head about the geometry and I also remembered this old Jenkem mag loose truck guide video or something & I thought forsure everyone was gonna say blue doh dohs but alot of folks said the soft skate cushes is what they ran including Spiderman Dan so that always had me curious a lil bit
but anyways I finally brought some the other week I think i brought the last set you could from a skate shop in US (maybe anywhere except ebay) the bottom bushing seemed to be the same size and the top bushing was just a little smaller on the doh doh but I had been skating em
Still think the top bushing from doh dohs might just be a lil smaller in general though
I’ve only had one sesh in an indoor so far and they felt good but then i went outside in like 20 degree weather to bomb a hill and they got hard as hell on the way up lol definitely something I love and appreciate about the doh dohs but I’ll keep trying these out. Dunno if anyone cares about skate cushes but though ya’ll might enjoy that
I also was laughing at myself feeling a lil ridiculous cause I got some lock in wheels from a homie and then learned the inside is cut in straight so puttin the wheels graphics in would be pointless and probably weird but it keeps bugging me having the graphics out so i currently have em chillin in some acetone to get back to bare wheels also gonna throw in a pair of olympia ceramic bearings I’ll give an update how they compare to these hand me down swiss’s i got years back
Thanks for reading and ya’ll have a great night
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Another thing with a lighter setup is that everything just seems to stick to your feet less.[close]
That said, I'm still not sure I'd ride cast on anything under 8.5....that set-up ratio shit were talking about a few posts ago.
Well my friend, yes you have it.Expand QuoteFirst time posting on here so sorry for coming out of left field with a random few paragraphs, don’t really know if I have gear madness but i did bounce around trucks for a min there before settling on ventures… i never get the disdain for ventures due to the stock bushings just switch em out lol
Ya’ll had gotten me curious though on the geometry and I couldn’t find anything on if doh dohs and skatecushes were the same height and I got all in my head about the geometry and I also remembered this old Jenkem mag loose truck guide video or something & I thought forsure everyone was gonna say blue doh dohs but alot of folks said the soft skate cushes is what they ran including Spiderman Dan so that always had me curious a lil bit
but anyways I finally brought some the other week I think i brought the last set you could from a skate shop in US (maybe anywhere except ebay) the bottom bushing seemed to be the same size and the top bushing was just a little smaller on the doh doh but I had been skating em
Still think the top bushing from doh dohs might just be a lil smaller in general though
I’ve only had one sesh in an indoor so far and they felt good but then i went outside in like 20 degree weather to bomb a hill and they got hard as hell on the way up lol definitely something I love and appreciate about the doh dohs but I’ll keep trying these out. Dunno if anyone cares about skate cushes but though ya’ll might enjoy that
I also was laughing at myself feeling a lil ridiculous cause I got some lock in wheels from a homie and then learned the inside is cut in straight so puttin the wheels graphics in would be pointless and probably weird but it keeps bugging me having the graphics out so i currently have em chillin in some acetone to get back to bare wheels also gonna throw in a pair of olympia ceramic bearings I’ll give an update how they compare to these hand me down swiss’s i got years back
Thanks for reading and ya’ll have a great night[close]
Welcome.
First time posting on here so sorry for coming out of left field with a random few paragraphs, don’t really know if I have gear madness but i did bounce around trucks for a min there before settling on ventures… i never get the disdain for ventures due to the stock bushings just switch em out lol
Ya’ll had gotten me curious though on the geometry and I couldn’t find anything on if doh dohs and skatecushes were the same height and I got all in my head about the geometry and I also remembered this old Jenkem mag loose truck guide video or something & I thought forsure everyone was gonna say blue doh dohs but alot of folks said the soft skate cushes is what they ran including Spiderman Dan so that always had me curious a lil bit
but anyways I finally brought some the other week I think i brought the last set you could from a skate shop in US (maybe anywhere except ebay) the bottom bushing seemed to be the same size and the top bushing was just a little smaller on the doh doh but I had been skating em
Still think the top bushing from doh dohs might just be a lil smaller in general though
I’ve only had one sesh in an indoor so far and they felt good but then i went outside in like 20 degree weather to bomb a hill and they got hard as hell on the way up lol definitely something I love and appreciate about the doh dohs but I’ll keep trying these out. Dunno if anyone cares about skate cushes but though ya’ll might enjoy that
I also was laughing at myself feeling a lil ridiculous cause I got some lock in wheels from a homie and then learned the inside is cut in straight so puttin the wheels graphics in would be pointless and probably weird but it keeps bugging me having the graphics out so i currently have em chillin in some acetone to get back to bare wheels also gonna throw in a pair of olympia ceramic bearings I’ll give an update how they compare to these hand me down swiss’s i got years back
Thanks for reading and ya’ll have a great night
Have ya’ll just mainly been tinkering with trucks or what have ya’ll been experimenting with
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Another thing with a lighter setup is that everything just seems to stick to your feet less.[close]
That said, I'm still not sure I'd ride cast on anything under 8.5....that set-up ratio shit were talking about a few posts ago.[close]
I'd say you could make it work with smaller wheels 50-52. Or just use the all cast mids.
I have a buddy who is pretty good, Mannys, ledge, flip tricks guy who skates 8.0 decks with Indy standards and 50ish mm wheels
Have ya’ll just mainly been tinkering with trucks or what have ya’ll been experimenting with
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Another thing with a lighter setup is that everything just seems to stick to your feet less.[close]
That said, I'm still not sure I'd ride cast on anything under 8.5....that set-up ratio shit were talking about a few posts ago.[close]
I'd say you could make it work with smaller wheels 50-52. Or just use the all cast mids.
I have a buddy who is pretty good, Mannys, ledge, flip tricks guy who skates 8.0 decks with Indy standards and 50ish mm wheels[close]
i’ve definitely considered the mids. have never heard someone stoked about em enough to try. (not that stops me from trying fucked up trucks, my all
time best sessions were on 145s, lows i think, and the previous generation of 8” royals regular height).
an 8” on 139s with 50-52 was the early 2000 size up, from 7.75 and 5.0 lo ventures. that was the common kit for many around me.
standard height indy evangelical posts make a lot of sense to me.
the weight was often considered helpful way back when, with smaller setups, and in particular with grinds.
golden era (for me, middle to the late of the 90s) folks would go back and forth between 5.0 lows and regular indys. on the pro level, stevie williams. often skating with 50 ish wheels.
shit maybe i should try that again
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Have ya’ll just mainly been tinkering with trucks or what have ya’ll been experimenting with[close]
If it involves a skateboard, we've been tinkering with it.
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Another thing with a lighter setup is that everything just seems to stick to your feet less.[close]
That said, I'm still not sure I'd ride cast on anything under 8.5....that set-up ratio shit were talking about a few posts ago.[close]
I'd say you could make it work with smaller wheels 50-52. Or just use the all cast mids.
I have a buddy who is pretty good, Mannys, ledge, flip tricks guy who skates 8.0 decks with Indy standards and 50ish mm wheels[close]
i’ve definitely considered the mids. have never heard someone stoked about em enough to try. (not that stops me from trying fucked up trucks, my all
time best sessions were on 145s, lows i think, and the previous generation of 8” royals regular height).
an 8” on 139s with 50-52 was the early 2000 size up, from 7.75 and 5.0 lo ventures. that was the common kit for many around me.
standard height indy evangelical posts make a lot of sense to me.
the weight was often considered helpful way back when, with smaller setups, and in particular with grinds.
golden era (for me, middle to the late of the 90s) folks would go back and forth between 5.0 lows and regular indys. on the pro level, stevie williams. often skating with 50 ish wheels.
shit maybe i should try that again[close]
8.25 with 139s and 52s
If the 8.25 is too wide, try and 8.1 something next
If the 52s feel a little too big, skate them till they're 50s.
Never underestimate an 8.25 deck with 149s. Good things start to happen.I've been preaching this for ages.
Never underestimate an 8.25 deck with 149s. Good things start to happen.149s are on the radar once all my stockpile are sufficiently used. Funny enough they were my first real trucks as a kid.
I guess for some, finding what works is harder than people might think, but maybe not searching for the setups they recall when they were younger or trying to still keep things going as they were, but moving with the times (and age) and just enjoying doing what they can while they are still able.
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I guess for some, finding what works is harder than people might think, but maybe not searching for the setups they recall when they were younger or trying to still keep things going as they were, but moving with the times (and age) and just enjoying doing what they can while they are still able.[close]
Yeah, this is SO on-point. The most important thing one can do as semi-older / older skater is abandon all expectations and habits from your past. Absolutely have expectations based on today, but not ones based on 5, 10, 15+ years ago. This included everything from your set-ups to how high you can ollie. Do this, and skateboarding will open up to like never before. Hold on to the past, and your board will only bring disappointment, frustration, and despair.
Need someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on Thunders
Need someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on Thunders
Need someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on Thunders
Need someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on Thunders
Never underestimate an 8.25 deck with 149s. Good things start to happen.
Need someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on Thunders
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I'm sorry to do the opposite of what you're looking for here, but as others have mentioned Aces aren't known for their pop. That was a big reason I got off of them, tried classic 44s and af155s.
Like you said, everything felt great until I went to pop. There wasn't that crisp snap I was looking for. I needed risers on aces to manage them at all. Tried 1/8 and the ace 1/16.
Aces look nice and cruise well, but I just feel so floppy and disconnected once I start doing tricks on them.
Indys with forged plates are a good middle ground in terms of truck characteristics between ace/thunder imo. In between the wheelbase, weight (if you're on af1/thunder standards currently), and turn characteristics (more than thunder, less than ace).
They are the highest of those three options, but you could compensate with smaller wheels if absolutely necessary. Only .5mm taller than ace. I personally think the height on a more turny truck helps with pop. Still won't be as snappy as a thunder, but will pop better than ace imo.
All that with the added benefit of having the best grind (imo) is why Indys are so popular, they just aren't that exciting. Other trucks offer more polarizing, distinct experiences, more suited for specialized tastes.
I'd says MOST people to acclimate to a set of Indys.
I don't think the same is true for ace/venture.
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Check out some yt Videos from Norman Woods. He rides ace and he doesn't seem to have problems with pop. I tried ace 44 once on mellow board with short wheelbase and didn't like it. Tried it on a longer wheelbase and it was much more manageable for me. Sometimes I wish I didn't sell my Aces but too much gear only feeds the madness
...you could try experiment with board dimensions and wheel size to make it more similar to your thunder setup on paper.
I left your one line here, mainly because that iceberg is so very big, even if you have only seen the tip of it so far.
In general though, I think people can go through it with anything, be it their deck, trucks, wheels, bearings, bushings, bolts and even grip, as well as shoes, pants, socks, caps, so you name it, it has surely been on someone's list at some point in time.
On my list when setting up a board more recently, basics always include a sticker under the trucks on the deck, wheel wells in the front, but also now scraping the edge graphic off all the way round, machining off the wheel graphics, messing with the bushings and that is only the beginning...
Need someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on ThundersCan't be that guy since probably Aces are indeed fucking your pop.
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Check out some yt Videos from Norman Woods. He rides ace and he doesn't seem to have problems with pop. I tried ace 44 once on mellow board with short wheelbase and didn't like it. Tried it on a longer wheelbase and it was much more manageable for me. Sometimes I wish I didn't sell my Aces but too much gear only feeds the madness
Can't be that guy since probably Aces are indeed fucking your pop.Expand QuoteNeed someone to tell me that my Aces aren’t the reason my pop sucks lately. I love how Aces feel until I go to pop and flip my board, then it feels like I’m fighting my board somewhat vs how it just seems to “work” on Thunders[close]
My suggestion in one word: Lurpiv.
2 decks that are the same except one shorter in the middle (wb) means that one would also have more fingers of flat.
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I mean like the exact same shape of kicks, concave, fingers of flat, but imagine just slicing out 1/4" from the middle of the board and putting it back together
That's what I want lolI get you and not sure of the answer other than if that's how they did it, main reason I could guess at is it's cheaper and easier for them that way. Which isn't the right reason.
31.5" length would be dope
It seems weird to me to take a standard 8.25 and drill the holes in an 1/8" on either side, and cut a little off the kicks to make them the same exact length, but the spot where the concave ends before the kicks begin is still in the same spot as it would be on a standard 8.25
Hopefully that's not the case, I guess I'll get an 8.25 x 14 BBS blank and try it side by side with my 14.25 one, only way to really know what's going on. I was hoping someone on here had like a Primitive or Hardbody 8.25 short they could compare to a GX, SciFi, Heated Wheel, etc 8.25 standard
I bet I would really like the dlx true fit molds, which place the concave and kick tapers in the same spots as they would be on their standard shapes, just a shorter board
I'm wary of getting consistent on something that might not be consistently available
I feel that, thanks for sharing
I definitely can flick a perfect fakie inward heel, I just don't have the balls to jump on it. Never landed one. Easier to learn fakie than regular for sure. I don't think the board being literally only 1/4" shorter is gonna change anything. Magic carpeting 139s with smaller wheels might though but I just can't get down with the small trucks for most of what I like to do. I don't wanna have a buncha different setups like a damn ski quiver or something. Don't have the time space or money
I think I need to try a baker 8.25 OG again, something about the pointy kicks makes the board feel lighter and more manageable. If I'm ever gonna get switch 360 flips back(last time I had them consistently down was ~2006), it'll probably be on one of those.
I think I'm officially giving up on the board dimension madness after learning how the whole fingers of flat/wheelbase drilling situation usually happens
Blue eagles, baker b16s, and pretty much anybody's BBS 8.25 should be perfectly fine for the rest of forever, I just need to take care of myself and try harder hahah
So I'm left back at my government-issue style board again
8.25 to 8.5 BBS, 14.25 wb
Indy standard 149s
52 to 54mm spitfire classics
Im writing this to hopefully inspire others:Congrats to your revelation! I definitely have a lot of stuff but not that problem. I don’t like to keep switching my stuff out, especially trucks so once I mount them, they either stay on for their life or the decks life or I might swap them out once. So on that note, which park and what time will you be dropping this gear off? ;D
I just loaded up my trunk with half of all my skate gear and it's time to part ways (it's an absurd amount of gear). Madness has taking over my life to the point its starting to affect my quality of life, its *almost* all I think about and most importantly taken the fun out of skateboarding.
Ive learned I don't have the personality to have gear on hand, I will accept having two completes (1 for my main set up, 2 for my curb set up, just because I need my curb set up trucks to be really loose) If I have gear on hand, I constantly switch it out and my sessions become more of a science experiment versus having fun and learning new tricks.
I feel like now is a great time to get rid of gear with Christmas around the corner, hopefully all the people at the park tomorrow will be stoked.
Madness is such a waste of time, energy and money. I can confidently say all the headaches its given me was not worth any slight improvement in my abilities.
I want to be inspired by someone who doesn't give a fuck about their setup, to me that's so much cooler than obsessiving over the smallest details.
For every pro there is a con to your setup, its a losers game trying to find the 8) perfect setup.
I hope this is a step in the right direction for me to make skateboarding fun again....I feel cleansed as fuck right now.
fakie pop shuv can easily get tangled up for me, nollie pop shuv feels….easy isn’t the right word, im not talented, but it doesn’t feel like much of a trick. anyways, you’ve inspired me to try one next session. i’ll report back
I want to be inspired by someone who doesn't give a fuck about their setup, to me that's so much cooler than obsessiving over the smallest details.
Im writing this to hopefully inspire others:
I just loaded up my trunk with half of all my skate gear and it's time to part ways (it's an absurd amount of gear). Madness has taking over my life to the point its starting to affect my quality of life, its *almost* all I think about and most importantly taken the fun out of skateboarding.
Ive learned I don't have the personality to have gear on hand, I will accept having two completes (1 for my main set up, 2 for my curb set up, just because I need my curb set up trucks to be really loose) If I have gear on hand, I constantly switch it out and my sessions become more of a science experiment versus having fun and learning new tricks.
I feel like now is a great time to get rid of gear with Christmas around the corner, hopefully all the people at the park tomorrow will be stoked.
Madness is such a waste of time, energy and money. I can confidently say all the headaches its given me was not worth any slight improvement in my abilities.
I want to be inspired by someone who doesn't give a fuck about their setup, to me that's so much cooler than obsessiving over the smallest details.
For every pro there is a con to your setup, its a losers game trying to find the perfect setup.
I hope this is a step in the right direction for me to make skateboarding fun again....I feel cleansed as fuck right now.
The madness keeps the industry afloat….
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I ordered bearings. They arrived today. Why did I order bearings? Because it is was the one thing I needed in order to give a full "madness complete" away to some random kid (kid ain't getting my extra Swiss 6 bearings).
Shedding the madness...also help the industry. :)
Im writing this to hopefully inspire others:
I just loaded up my trunk with half of all my skate gear and it's time to part ways (it's an absurd amount of gear). Madness has taking over my life to the point its starting to affect my quality of life, its *almost* all I think about and most importantly taken the fun out of skateboarding.
Ive learned I don't have the personality to have gear on hand, I will accept having two completes (1 for my main set up, 2 for my curb set up, just because I need my curb set up trucks to be really loose) If I have gear on hand, I constantly switch it out and my sessions become more of a science experiment versus having fun and learning new tricks.
I feel like now is a great time to get rid of gear with Christmas around the corner, hopefully all the people at the park tomorrow will be stoked.
Madness is such a waste of time, energy and money. I can confidently say all the headaches its given me was not worth any slight improvement in my abilities.
I want to be inspired by someone who doesn't give a fuck about their setup, to me that's so much cooler than obsessiving over the smallest details.
For every pro there is a con to your setup, its a losers game trying to find the perfect setup.
I hope this is a step in the right direction for me to make skateboarding fun again....I feel cleansed as fuck right now.
Expand QuoteIm writing this to hopefully inspire others:
I just loaded up my trunk with half of all my skate gear and it's time to part ways (it's an absurd amount of gear). Madness has taking over my life to the point its starting to affect my quality of life, its *almost* all I think about and most importantly taken the fun out of skateboarding.
Ive learned I don't have the personality to have gear on hand, I will accept having two completes (1 for my main set up, 2 for my curb set up, just because I need my curb set up trucks to be really loose) If I have gear on hand, I constantly switch it out and my sessions become more of a science experiment versus having fun and learning new tricks.
I feel like now is a great time to get rid of gear with Christmas around the corner, hopefully all the people at the park tomorrow will be stoked.
Madness is such a waste of time, energy and money. I can confidently say all the headaches its given me was not worth any slight improvement in my abilities.
I want to be inspired by someone who doesn't give a fuck about their setup, to me that's so much cooler than obsessiving over the smallest details.
For every pro there is a con to your setup, its a losers game trying to find the perfect setup.
I hope this is a step in the right direction for me to make skateboarding fun again....I feel cleansed as fuck right now.[close]
This message really speaks to me too… I’ve been in this hell for almost ten years now. At first it started with deck widths, with the question of whether a wide board is better, or if a narrower one is better… And then came the hell of trucks. Over ten years, if I really think about everything I’ve had, I must have bought almost 20 pairs of trucks, which is crazy considering I barely do any grinds and that trucks can sometimes last three years.
Then the ultimate hell was also the questioning about length, wheelbase… all of that mixed with which trucks to choose, high or low. I recently went on the Baker Boys Archive page and saw a few board models I had in my early skating years, and damn… seeing that I was able to skate well without overthinking it on boards with lengths of 31.6 or 31.8 drives me crazy. Because now I act all precious and like a spoiled child when sometimes the board is “too long,” so I get mad and use that as an excuse for not landing certain things.
But like I read above and it’s true when you think about it every setup has its advantages and its disadvantages. I currently have a brand-new board that’s 31.9 long with a 14.25 wheelbase, and I really want to not give a damn and skate it like I did in my early days…
I also use my own stupid situation as an example : I’d win a board at a contest, I should be happy like a kid who’s just enjoying having it but with this hell in my head, I’d end up wondering whether the board would even suit me and if I’d be able to skate it. I m tired of overthinking, of telling myself I shouldn’t go below 31.5 and should stick to a 14 wheelbase. Maybe there’s also the fact that I’m 5'6", but ONCE AGAIN those are just excuses… I wish I could just not give a f***. Even more frustrating to see smaller skaters riding long and wide setups while I complain like an idiot.
But yeah, like I also read above : So much money and so many sessions wasted, and above all our pure enjoyment of skateboarding. I’ve gotten to the point of being disgusted with skateboarding, of being stuck in this vicious cycle.. :'( :'(
To respond once again regarding this so called madness that many people feel and would like to get out of .. Yeah, it’s crazy how many of us are stuck in this endless loop… but at the same time, isn’t it because of all the videos and all the setup details we’re constantly exposed to now ? When you think about it, we didn’t have all that back then. And there was also that trend where everyone (especially in France) rode either 7.75 or 8.0, but nothing bigger (I’m talking about the years when I started, around 2007 to 2012). Then all these options and size parameters showed up, and it became easy to get influenced by whatever setups all the pros were skating.
It’ll officially be ten years in 2026 since I really fell into the setup madness hell, so it’s about time after ten years, to make a new resolution and get back to what I used to feel when skating. I finally decided to set up that infamous 8.0 deck (from a local shop brand) with a 31.9 length and a 14.25 wheelbase. I really want to say fuck all that and rethink skating the way I did when I started. (That’s actually why I went back to low trucks to get that “I don’t care and I’m not overthinking” feeling again.) I thought this setup would prevent me from skating well and keep me from landing my tricks, but stop all of that.. !!! >:(
I’ll end with a quote from Collin Provost about the expression “Stay Gold” :
“Stay gold means remembering how it felt when we first started skating giving no fucks before the industry entered the equation.”
Damn some of ya’ll fellas down bad I’m sorry to see that haha
Thankfully i feel like i can have fun skating any set up
Use to be 8.5 boards and trucks until i got some 44s from Ace and then some 5.6 Ventures
To add to the cats up there i skated pretty good in Indys but i skated terribly in aces haha felt fun still but i remember a few sessions where i didn’t land anything. Couldn’t pinch good and got so much ghost pop lol
Pretty much been on the same set up since i was like 14 though
Sometimes I wonder if i should skate thunders or indys since i spent the majority of my time on them bad bois but that was the old days i liked what someone said up there about it’s better to not pay it any mind and just go to the shop or try friends set ups and see what feels good
I feel like not being sure if my bearings were still optimal or not was bugging me to the point of getting in my head a lil but I just put in these new olympia ceramic boys and just rolling around the house and trying to do stationary manuels and shit I’m def sure now my swiss’s are shot for the most part
Probably will just throw em on my crusier since the reds on those are super fucked i dont think cleaning will help lol
Im writing this to hopefully inspire others:
I just loaded up my trunk with half of all my skate gear and it's time to part ways (it's an absurd amount of gear). Madness has taking over my life to the point its starting to affect my quality of life, its *almost* all I think about and most importantly taken the fun out of skateboarding.
Ive learned I don't have the personality to have gear on hand, I will accept having two completes (1 for my main set up, 2 for my curb set up, just because I need my curb set up trucks to be really loose) If I have gear on hand, I constantly switch it out and my sessions become more of a science experiment versus having fun and learning new tricks.
I feel like now is a great time to get rid of gear with Christmas around the corner, hopefully all the people at the park tomorrow will be stoked.
Madness is such a waste of time, energy and money. I can confidently say all the headaches its given me was not worth any slight improvement in my abilities.
I want to be inspired by someone who doesn't give a fuck about their setup, to me that's so much cooler than obsessiving over the smallest details.
For every pro there is a con to your setup, its a losers game trying to find the perfect setup.
I hope this is a step in the right direction for me to make skateboarding fun again....I feel cleansed as fuck right now.
Back to the truck size thing for a second…
Many 8.75 decks are actually a hair under 8.75. Thus, one could reasonably ride 8.5 trucks on an 8.25, 8.5, and 8.75 deck, making 8.5 trucks the most versatile size out there.
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Many 8.75 decks are actually a hair under 8.75. Thus, one could reasonably ride 8.5 trucks on an 8.25, 8.5, and 8.75 deck, making 8.5 trucks the most versatile size out there.[close]
i think there is a lot of accuracy to your idea. i guess id say it more like this tho:
149s can be ridden, reasonably well, from 8.125-8.75, making them the most versatile size, for the most popular deck size range.
mmmmmm. or something. my wording is poor.
Yep, more of what I was saying but I just wanted to address the last part about bearings. I thought my Swiss 6 bearings were done because they were over 10 years old and some of them didn’t even spin when I took them out and tried to roll with my fingers. Got new bearings and set the Swiss aside. Then, I was setting up a new ride and didn’t want to pull my other bearings so I cleaned the Swiss 6. They ended up faster than the new bearings I bought so basically, don’t count out any bearings without giving them a good cleaning.
I’ve never taken bearing completely apart, just remove the shields and shake them up in acetone or isopropyl alcohol and then a drop or two of speed cream has been enough. I suppose if thy get really bad, you could go as far as getting new cages but I haven’t needed to yet. Either way, it’s doesn’t hurt to have more bearings around.Expand Quote
Yep, more of what I was saying but I just wanted to address the last part about bearings. I thought my Swiss 6 bearings were done because they were over 10 years old and some of them didn’t even spin when I took them out and tried to roll with my fingers. Got new bearings and set the Swiss aside. Then, I was setting up a new ride and didn’t want to pull my other bearings so I cleaned the Swiss 6. They ended up faster than the new bearings I bought so basically, don’t count out any bearings without giving them a good cleaning.[close]
Appreciate the response yeah i actually did just give them a good cleaning the other week, but just acetone and iso and shaking it up. Do you mean removing the cages and cleaning it like that? I’m debating doing that but every wheel just seemed off and i’ve never removed the cages and cleaned like that so it was black friday and i was like screw it i’ll buy some and maybe actually service them
Pretty sure i’m just gonna throw em in my cruiser board, i take my dogs skating with it and they run fast as hell might get out whatever is in there on it’s own
You’re def right though the cruiser board had some crusty n rusty reds on there and I didn’t even remove the wheel just sprayed iso in it spun it a lil bit and after awhile added speed cream & that was enough to have it flossin like before kinda wild how many folks replace bearings before trying to maintenance em.
I was just in my head cause they don’t feel terrible I felt like i remembered them being faster at first
But seemed like Olympia’s a small brand n it has Crockett n Westgate why not. If they’re faster i’ll keep em on if the swiss feel faster i’ll just throw the ceramics on the cruiser board. That’d be the ideal scenario honestly but idk these bearings feel pretty good so far went to the park yesterday and even though it was windy as hell i just skated a lil transition and tried a bunch of mannys round the park and it felt like i wasn’t miserable against the wind and i was flying when it was on my back
I’m gonna do a hill i did in the swiss’s the other week and report back lol
Anyone much smarter than me out there know if using washers to push wheels further out on a truck's axle will make the axle more likely to bend? Or is the amount of space minimal enough and axle strength strong enough that it shouldn't make a difference?
Basically how much of an impact would it make by moving the wheel on the axle out an additional 1/16"?
I have lightly bent my axles on the last couple sets of trucks I've had and want to just chalk it up to old trucks. I don't really huck much anymore so I feel like this shouldn't be happening. Really wondering if extra washers can make this worse.
I’ve never taken bearing completely apart, just remove the shields and shake them up in acetone or isopropyl alcohol and then a drop or two of speed cream has been enough. I suppose if thy get really bad, you could go as far as getting new cages but I haven’t needed to yet. Either way, it’s doesn’t hurt to have more bearings around.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Yep, more of what I was saying but I just wanted to address the last part about bearings. I thought my Swiss 6 bearings were done because they were over 10 years old and some of them didn’t even spin when I took them out and tried to roll with my fingers. Got new bearings and set the Swiss aside. Then, I was setting up a new ride and didn’t want to pull my other bearings so I cleaned the Swiss 6. They ended up faster than the new bearings I bought so basically, don’t count out any bearings without giving them a good cleaning.[close]
Appreciate the response yeah i actually did just give them a good cleaning the other week, but just acetone and iso and shaking it up. Do you mean removing the cages and cleaning it like that? I’m debating doing that but every wheel just seemed off and i’ve never removed the cages and cleaned like that so it was black friday and i was like screw it i’ll buy some and maybe actually service them
Pretty sure i’m just gonna throw em in my cruiser board, i take my dogs skating with it and they run fast as hell might get out whatever is in there on it’s own
You’re def right though the cruiser board had some crusty n rusty reds on there and I didn’t even remove the wheel just sprayed iso in it spun it a lil bit and after awhile added speed cream & that was enough to have it flossin like before kinda wild how many folks replace bearings before trying to maintenance em.
I was just in my head cause they don’t feel terrible I felt like i remembered them being faster at first
But seemed like Olympia’s a small brand n it has Crockett n Westgate why not. If they’re faster i’ll keep em on if the swiss feel faster i’ll just throw the ceramics on the cruiser board. That’d be the ideal scenario honestly but idk these bearings feel pretty good so far went to the park yesterday and even though it was windy as hell i just skated a lil transition and tried a bunch of mannys round the park and it felt like i wasn’t miserable against the wind and i was flying when it was on my back
I’m gonna do a hill i did in the swiss’s the other week and report back lol[close]
Anyone much smarter than me out there know if using washers to push wheels further out on a truck's axle will make the axle more likely to bend? Or is the amount of space minimal enough and axle strength strong enough that it shouldn't make a difference?
Basically how much of an impact would it make by moving the wheel on the axle out an additional 1/16"?
I have lightly bent my axles on the last couple sets of trucks I've had and want to just chalk it up to old trucks. I don't really huck much anymore so I feel like this shouldn't be happening. Really wondering if extra washers can make this worse.
Expand QuoteAnyone much smarter than me out there know if using washers to push wheels further out on a truck's axle will make the axle more likely to bend? Or is the amount of space minimal enough and axle strength strong enough that it shouldn't make a difference?
Basically how much of an impact would it make by moving the wheel on the axle out an additional 1/16"?
I have lightly bent my axles on the last couple sets of trucks I've had and want to just chalk it up to old trucks. I don't really huck much anymore so I feel like this shouldn't be happening. Really wondering if extra washers can make this worse.[close]
According to the Law of Moments, yes. Is it possible in real life skateboarding applications with the change in length of the pivot point, and impact force? Not sure....
Grant me the serenity to remember I used to eat mushrooms and rip on other people's setups
1 day madness free
Grant me the serenity to remember I used to eat mushrooms and rip on other people's setups
As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..
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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..[close]
Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.
Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.
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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.
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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..[close]
Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.
Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.
Yeah but 50mm Lil Smokies look lush on a 9.18 Huffer.
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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close]
Giving away new trucks in the madness thread is pretty hilarious.
A very kind gesture (really, it is), but also kind of akin to giving drugs to addicts lol.
I still gnar'd you for kindness though.
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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..[close]
Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.
Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.[close]
I probably just worded it like shit, I'm talking about decks. How usually decks under 8" are 14" wb, and people that skate decks under 8" often skate smaller wheels
A 7.5 deck with a 14.5 wheelbase would be fuckin wild lookin tho. Doesn't exactly work as well as 9" with a 14" wb which is fun as fuck
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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close]
Giving away new trucks in the madness thread is pretty hilarious.
A very kind gesture (really, it is), but also kind of akin to giving drugs to addicts lol.
I still gnar'd you for kindness though.[close]
First one is free. :)
[And I'll bounce it over to the Thunder thread eventually, but going to offer it up to my Madness Crew, first. :) ]
(https://i.ibb.co/KpwLXrk8/Screenshot-2025-12-23-at-4-45-23-PM.png)If no one is taking it up I will
I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.
If no one is taking it up I willExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/KpwLXrk8/Screenshot-2025-12-23-at-4-45-23-PM.png)
I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close]
If no one is taking it up I willExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/KpwLXrk8/Screenshot-2025-12-23-at-4-45-23-PM.png)
I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close]
I fully took apart some bones reds like that one time and I don't know why but they were never the same after that
I've never done it since. I just shake em in the lil bones jar with acetone and spin dry with canned air (which is fun and sounds awesome)
If no one is taking it up I willExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/KpwLXrk8/Screenshot-2025-12-23-at-4-45-23-PM.png)
I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close]
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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close][close]
You are someone, not no one, so, looks like they are yours. DM your info.
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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close][close]
Congratulations on the trucks!
Also, you poor, mad bastard.
T2’s were the catalyst for my most recent bout of truck insanity. They’re close enough to Indy’s and AF1’s yet just different enough to make me question what I even wanted in a skate truck. In all seriousness though, I could see them being the truck someone’s been looking for so good luck!
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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.
I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.
First come, first serve.[close][close]
You are someone, not no one, so, looks like they are yours. DM your info.[close]
Sick! Info sent. I’ve been wanting to try 151s so this works out for me. Thanks so much!Expand Quote
Congratulations on the trucks!
Also, you poor, mad bastard.
T2’s were the catalyst for my most recent bout of truck insanity. They’re close enough to Indy’s and AF1’s yet just different enough to make me question what I even wanted in a skate truck. In all seriousness though, I could see them being the truck someone’s been looking for so good luck![close]
Haha, yeah will see how it goes. As I mentioned above, been wanting to try 151 or 8.75” trucks of any kind and I currently ride regular Thunders and AF1, but both 8.5”. I’m pretty adaptable overall so hope it won’t induce too much madness.
does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s...
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does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s...[close]
I have some great things to say about AF1s! The most enjoyment I've gotten from them is giving them away! :)
Just a shout to all the regular crew in this thread...
Merry and happy, well, everything...
Af1s are great with the ace hard bushings, stable on center and crispy sounding but still can really dive when you want them to
I like the stock bushings too but it takes more energy riding "in" the board like that vs riding "on" top of it with a snappier, less gummy feeling bushing, especially for flip tricks
Aces pinch crooked grinds weird for me cause the turn is so deep
Soft wheels are sticky for me on crooked grinds
I've tried the AF1 55/regular radial 93a 58mm combo and it's super fun and I could still do all my shit. Was paired with an 8.5 x 14.25 board. Hard bushings, no risers.
58mm radial fulls are extremely wide
58mm normal radials, and 60mm classics aren't as wide but still wider than the other stuff
I personally wouldn't ride a 58+ wheel on anything smaller than an 8.5" truck
Boserio said they didn't really unlock any spots for him, they just look rad
After watching a lot of footage of people riding big wheels the last couple years, I got it in my head that I wanted to, too.
Now I'm back on 53s
I can just ride my cruiser if I want to just cruise
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does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s...[close]
I have some great things to say about AF1s! The most enjoyment I've gotten from them is giving them away! :)
significant madness/inspiration spun out for me.
fiendishly coveting ace af1 inverted hollows, and some very large softer spitfires, bannerot tribute setup.
on the positive side of things: ace turn great and are fun. big soft wheels would open up quite a bit of cruising around, skating for distance, which tbf, would be a more realistic way for me to have some fun on a skateboard (compared to skating infrequently, and trying tons of flip tricks from 25 years ago).
the against argument: i own more than i use. its just some greedy buying shit, trying to feel something nonsense. i’m just going to go to the same
parking lot and try and switchflip it.
my only positive ace pop experiences have been shorter boards with big wheels.
does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s, and/or, more importantly: the skating with very large wheels?
Just a shout to all the regular crew in this thread...
Merry and happy, well, everything...
So I went from 53mm classic fulls on ventures to 56mm classic fulls on Indy’s, and man does it feel like home. I rode big wide wheels on Indy’s for sooo long (probably like 7 years) i don’t know why I strayed away from it! I was trippin on the weight and the pop feel because of it is fantastic (pretty similar feeling to ventures actually, just more height before the tail hits but already adjusted to it) haven’t lost any tricks, and honestly they feel kinda easier now. Idk maybe cause I’m so tall and big that this is just what I need, a tall and big setup to match!
And as I said before I had venture v8s on a 14.625 wb with just my front truck in which is the exact same wb as my Indy’s on a 14.5 (which is on the April im riding) so honestly the only adjustment was the actual height of Indy’s and the 56s. Also does anyone know what the height increase would be from what I was riding to now?
Expand QuoteSo I went from 53mm classic fulls on ventures to 56mm classic fulls on Indy’s, and man does it feel like home. I rode big wide wheels on Indy’s for sooo long (probably like 7 years) i don’t know why I strayed away from it! I was trippin on the weight and the pop feel because of it is fantastic (pretty similar feeling to ventures actually, just more height before the tail hits but already adjusted to it) haven’t lost any tricks, and honestly they feel kinda easier now. Idk maybe cause I’m so tall and big that this is just what I need, a tall and big setup to match!
And as I said before I had venture v8s on a 14.625 wb with just my front truck in which is the exact same wb as my Indy’s on a 14.5 (which is on the April im riding) so honestly the only adjustment was the actual height of Indy’s and the 56s. Also does anyone know what the height increase would be from what I was riding to now?[close]
Bout 3 mm
Self moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen
Self moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen
Expand QuoteSelf moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen[close]
oh i identify with this.
my grinding has always been extremely limited, i’ve mainly been interested in flatground type bullshit. Lavar in Trilogy would be my ideal ability.
anyways.
i’ve struggled to size up past 8” trucks, and i’ve tried for so long that now everything is all messed up for me, and smaller setups feel shitty, and bigger setups, also shitty. probably not the setups. i think ive isolated the variable (the constant?).
i get hyped when i read about Ishod or Worrest using 8” trucks, Reynolds….I just haven’t gained any tricks from using a larger rig. some of the tricks do feel better tho, so that’s why i keep trying.
as to trying lighter trucks and all of that: that is only important to me, when im not riding my size. meaning, if im trying some big board (for me that’s 8.5) and matching trucks and shit, i might like hollow/light whatever. but if i try light 8” trucks i generally hate them.
Self moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen
Expand QuoteSelf moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen[close]
I use to skate 8.5 deck & trucks until the 8.25s came out & i think I agree with you my flip tricks didn’t suffer at all except they were alot higher and over spinning for like half a day & then it just better, but i was recently wondering if my grinds would be better with the 8.5 trucks so reading your post is comforting thank you
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSelf moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen[close]
I use to skate 8.5 deck & trucks until the 8.25s came out & i think I agree with you my flip tricks didn’t suffer at all except they were alot higher and over spinning for like half a day & then it just better, but i was recently wondering if my grinds would be better with the 8.5 trucks so reading your post is comforting thank you[close]
Some people I know and skate with always ride smaller trucks than their board, for that very reason - it just works better for them with how they skate, eg 8.75" with 8.5" trucks, 8.38" with 8.25" trucks, or 8.25" with 8" trucks.
Even having minimal washers on the inside of the same width trucks as the deck feels different to having three washers on the inside, but experimenting with the options can really make something work well or work well enough.
Then there are the others who have wider trucks to deck setups, which is a whole different game, but if it works for them, then that's ok too.
* I usually ride same width board to trucks, but I have skated enough "other boards" to feel what all options were like and can appreciate the differences, but I guess that doesn't help at all in the Gear Madness Support Thread.
My experience with truck widths and grinds…
I rode the DLX 8.25/14.38 with 144s as my main set-up for well over 10-years (149s prior to 144s coming out). During that time I occasionally put 149s (again) on my 8.25, rode a few 8.5 decks (with 149s), and had the DLX 8.75/14.62 with 159s as more of a cruiser type deck.
For a very long time, whenever I went above 144s, I really hated the “lateral slop” (e.g. lateral movement) of/on wider trucks. Once I got into a grind, I didn’t want to deal with side-to-side movement—I wanted a solid lock, and I got this more quickly with smaller trucks. Moreover, anytime something was cross-locked, wider trucks put the board at more of an off-angle from the direction of travel, whereas narrower trucks keep the board more parallel (with the direction of travel), and I felt less “twisted-up” on smaller trucks.
Over time, and with age, I started riding wider boards a bit more. It took me a bit to adjust to the “lateral slop,” but I also realized, at least for me, wider trucks had some real grind advantages, too. Specifically, I didn’t have to be as precise. Take something like a b/s 180 to fakie 50/50 grind on a curb/ledge/etc. With narrow trucks, that trick is easier to “over rotate” if your body is still turning a bit after the trucks lock-in. For me at least, wider trucks will “absorb” a bit more of that rotation, and be less likely to toss you off if you are not perfect (and I am certainly not). The other thing is that once in a grind, wider trucks just feel more stable. As of now, my main set-up is the BLKLBL 8.75/14.5 with 159s. When I get back on my 8.25, it now feels like I am on a “tight rope,” and even olleing into a b/s 50-50 on a bench feels a bit precarious (because of how “7.75” the 8.25 now feels). My 8.75 feels much more…balanced.
Not grind related, but another place I really like wider trucks is on axle/feeble/pivot to fakies on transition. I do those tricks, and variations of them, A LOT. A wider truck puts that rear toe-side wheel further “in” the ramp, and for me, that makes those tricks a lot more fluid and easier to bring back in.
Flip tricks? Yeah. Those take more effort with wider trucks, for sure. But man, do they ever feel good on a bigger board, too.
My partner got me the 8.25 Grimple Gerwer board from the latest catalog and I just can't figure out which trucks to put on it. It's 31.5" long with a 14" wb but the venture hollows I have on there currently and the venture cast I initially set up make the tail feel super short and I get no pop. Like I have to really reach for a medium sized ledge. I'm just shy of 6' tall, too so I feel a bit cramped on it. My other truck options on hand are Indy 144 standard and hollow forged. May put on the hollows after I finish my coffee this morning since I feel the smaller wheelbase offset and lower height might make the tail feel a tad bit longer. Wish I took a pic of the dimension sticker since I don't remember the nose or tail lengths.
Also I was naughty last night and bought the 8.25 grey eagle and the 8.25 grey oval easy rider. Did this sober too which is shocking, usually only drunk purchase stuff I don't really need. 32" and up I think is where I need to primarily stay. 14.38 with Indys is where I'm most comfortable, that was the last combo where I had tre flips and heelflips super consistent anyways. I'm late to the easy rider hype but figured I'd snag one on sale to try it out. I just wanted to be a cool venture tech guy so bad but can't deny that I'm much less versatile on this type of set up.
Happy New Years fellas
Oh yeah my thinking with that one was pairing it with some ventures I have without feeling cramped
I feel like my gear madness comes from me not knowing my "specialty/style".
I started skating over a year ago with some prior experience (I learned how to ollie and shuv using a friends board in high school) and I have been learning to skate different obstacles.
Because of that, I constantly adjusted my setup in hopes to make things easier. Like skating a smaller board for ledges and flatground, and then switching to a larger board for curbs and transition.
The constant switching did not make learning tricks any easier (what a surprise) and I have learned that there are a lot of obstacles that I cannot skate at all.
I mainly skate curbs and mini ramps if I can find one, occasionally do flatground tricks if I feel like it. Ive been trying to get 360 flips more consistent.
So I decided to setup a Christmas complete with this realization (genius move). I am currently riding a 9" egg with Thunder Hollow Light 149s with SF 52mm Classic Wheels. It feels good to skate although it is a little harder to flip, me being short with a very small shoe size does not help.
At this point if im not satisfied with my setup ill just suck it up knowing that switching certain parts will not make me a good skater.
Indy and lurpiv are the highest at 55mm. Then venture and ace at 53 then thunders.
There’s a truck database doc somewhere on here
what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks
what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?Don't want to sound like a broken record but the answer is Lurpiv.
please and thanks
Cast Ventures (with risers if you want to go extra big) work with big wheels as well.
They're 53mm tall, but their turn/geo is the most big wheel-friendly of all trucks. I get a lot more wheelbite on cast Indys as compared to cast Ventures even though the former are 2mm taller.
what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks
what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks
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Destructo….
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Destructo….[close]
you….sick fuck
Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.Eh... 440 V2 high?
I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.
Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.
Thanks guys!
Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.
I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.
Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.
Thanks guys!
Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.
I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.
Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.
Thanks guys!
Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.
I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.
Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.
Thanks guys!
Just tried out the new to me 151 T-II trucks (thanks again to @Sedition) on my soon to be retired 8.5/14.5 deck coming from Thunder Standard 149. Initial thoughts are I like them a lot and no issues that I can tell yet. Pinch is as good as T-I or at least as good as I need them to feel and wheelbite didn’t happen except a slight scrape when I really tried to dip a corner when testing it. Extra kingpin clearance is also appreciated.
The main thing it helped me answer as far as gear madness is I liked the pop feel from the reduced wheelbase compared to standard Thunders. Part of it might be because the 14.5 wb is the longest I’ve skated in a while and also the razor tail/nose has reduced the kicks significantly but I always had that thought in the back of my head when riding the setup that I’d like to reduce the wheelbase.
The other thing it helped me notice is grinding felt really comfortable to have the extra surface. Mainly being able to adjust and having a larger margin for error when popping into grinds. I’m looking forward to trying them on a different curb that I can front crook to see how that goes since these are also the widest trucks I’ve ridden since the 80s.
I’m going to be riding mostly decks under 8.5” for a while on my main setups so plan is to pick up a wider shaped deck sometime to set these up on and use as a curb and ramp specialty setup.
Last month I did something bold. I made a choice to let go.Until you really have only one setup madness is not cured
By that, I mean that I got rid of / gave away ALL of my madness-related gear. Decks. Trucks. Wheels. Gone. All gone. Yes, there was anxiety at first. But it left, and calmness filled that void.
I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).
Until you really have only one setup madness is not curedExpand QuoteLast month I did something bold. I made a choice to let go.
By that, I mean that I got rid of / gave away ALL of my madness-related gear. Decks. Trucks. Wheels. Gone. All gone. Yes, there was anxiety at first. But it left, and calmness filled that void.
I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).[close]
I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).
My set-up is not is “perfect.” No set-up is. But it is perfect-enough. Perfection does not exist. Do not let the perfect obfuscate and hinder the good/great. Chasing perfection leads no where...to madness.
Thanks! Just had another sesh on them and I definitely like them. So much I don’t want to put the deck down so I just might keep riding the setup until the deck snaps. Before these, I was planning on trying Slappys next time I buy new trucks and still might but that’s going to be a long time from now since I have a lot of truck options at the moment. I think overall, I like the T-II better than my Ace AF1 but will see as I skate that setups more in direct comparison.Expand QuoteJust tried out the new to me 151 T-II trucks (thanks again to @Sedition) on my soon to be retired 8.5/14.5 deck coming from Thunder Standard 149. Initial thoughts are I like them a lot and no issues that I can tell yet. Pinch is as good as T-I or at least as good as I need them to feel and wheelbite didn’t happen except a slight scrape when I really tried to dip a corner when testing it. Extra kingpin clearance is also appreciated.
The main thing it helped me answer as far as gear madness is I liked the pop feel from the reduced wheelbase compared to standard Thunders. Part of it might be because the 14.5 wb is the longest I’ve skated in a while and also the razor tail/nose has reduced the kicks significantly but I always had that thought in the back of my head when riding the setup that I’d like to reduce the wheelbase.
The other thing it helped me notice is grinding felt really comfortable to have the extra surface. Mainly being able to adjust and having a larger margin for error when popping into grinds. I’m looking forward to trying them on a different curb that I can front crook to see how that goes since these are also the widest trucks I’ve ridden since the 80s.
I’m going to be riding mostly decks under 8.5” for a while on my main setups so plan is to pick up a wider shaped deck sometime to set these up on and use as a curb and ramp specialty setup.[close]
Glad they found a good home. Enjoy!
@Mbrimson88 and @munchbox
Black Label 8.75/14.5 | 159 Cast | 53mm Classics
Among all the set-ups I’ve ridden over the last 1.5 years, this was the one I kept coming back to. I’ve basically tried everything from the 9”/15” Orange Eagle down to 8.25”/14”, and I kept returning to that 8.75/14.5 Black Label. Over and over.
Expand Quote@Mbrimson88 and @munchbox
Black Label 8.75/14.5 | 159 Cast | 53mm Classics
Among all the set-ups I’ve ridden over the last 1.5 years, this was the one I kept coming back to. I’ve basically tried everything from the 9”/15” Orange Eagle down to 8.25”/14”, and I kept returning to that 8.75/14.5 Black Label. Over and over.[close]
Nice!!!
I always find it funny (in a good way) that you have always stuck with the 53 mm Classics, even with other options and sizes and everything else in different decks, trucks, etc.
The rest of what you said re 8.25 boards is exactly how I feel about the 8.125 black eagles - had so many and rode them for a long, long time on 139s, then 144s, but then in trying other boards, I just moved on and that shape just feels too small now, even though I have a few of my old setups at the shop / indoor park for people to skate.
As to the new setup, I can definitely see how appealing that is, for the board width, shape and wheelbase and a good solid ride - got a few very similar around and have done for a while now (DLX 8.75 with slightly modified back truck, so I bring the Indy standards in to make the wheelbase between 14.4 - 14.5 and have a slightly longer tail).
The one I am currently riding a bit more than anything though is a DLX 8.75 with stock Thunder T-II 151 trucks and 54 mm wheels (Radial Full, now Classic Full) with a small version of that if I want a little more fun, DLX 8.38 with Thunder T-II 149s and 52 - 53 mm wheels (Classics taken down from 55 or so, with more a Classic Full shape too) and both just work so well, it is nice not having to really do anything to the deck or trucks for a change.
Not sure if I had to choose which one I would go with, as they both are really good, but if it was a "retirement board" I think the 8.75 would be it, over the 8.38 size setup.
* I am seeing / selling more 8.75 decks than any other size now I think, so it is crazy how many people are riding bigger boards - all adults, no kids, but still when the board size was 8.0, then 8.25, then 8.38 or even 8.5, having 8.75 as the most common size I am moving, it is a funny thing to consider in the timeline of skateboard evolution.
The goldielocks zone for me seems to be 14.25 to 14.38.
i don’t know this to be true, but to me it feels like folks are starting to size back down. i feel like i see more 8.25 truck based setups. dunno. 3-4 years ago i was seeing more 8.5 decks on 8.75 trucks.
maybe i’m off.
Expand Quotei don’t know this to be true, but to me it feels like folks are starting to size back down. i feel like i see more 8.25 truck based setups. dunno. 3-4 years ago i was seeing more 8.5 decks on 8.75 trucks.
maybe i’m off.[close]
8.75 trucks really lost their appeal to me over the last year. I think I had some lock in fulls on and went to grab my board one day and thought “this looks like a vert board” and ever since then I’ve been kinda turned off. Back on classics and 8.5 trucks
...i miss my lil boat haha idc if it’s razor tailed to shit...
...but goddamnit those few extra mm from..
And just like that, you convinced me to retire my razored deck that ironically, I was going to retire but seemed to breathe new life into with the T-IIs I put on it.Expand Quote
...i miss my lil boat haha idc if it’s razor tailed to shit...[close]
Beware the doom! Friend just got 12 stitches in his Achilles from a razor-tailed shark bite!
i’ve had an obviously cooked idea that goes something like:
ventures feel like the next size up compared to indy’s. i rode 5.0 lo’s off and on forever. something about the height, wb effects, pop….i dunno, but indy 139s with a 52-54 wheel were an easy scaling up for many. ventures just ‘ride bigger’ or something something.
i have enjoyed 5.8s, but only on smallers/shorter boards. 6.1s the same.
And just like that, you convinced me to retire my razored deck that ironically, I was going to retire but seemed to breathe new life into with the T-IIs I put on it.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
...i miss my lil boat haha idc if it’s razor tailed to shit...[close]
Beware the doom! Friend just got 12 stitches in his Achilles from a razor-tailed shark bite![close]
Meanwhile, some interesting Venture talk. Never rode Venture before but I have a set of 5.6 waiting to go on my next setup and I like hearing that they seem to ride a size bigger since I almost went with 5.8. Although, it’s making me wonder if I should have went with 5.2lo. Will madness ensue?
8.125/14.125Expand QuoteAnd just like that, you convinced me to retire my razored deck that ironically, I was going to retire but seemed to breathe new life into with the T-IIs I put on it.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
...i miss my lil boat haha idc if it’s razor tailed to shit...[close]
Beware the doom! Friend just got 12 stitches in his Achilles from a razor-tailed shark bite![close]
Meanwhile, some interesting Venture talk. Never rode Venture before but I have a set of 5.6 waiting to go on my next setup and I like hearing that they seem to ride a size bigger since I almost went with 5.8. Although, it’s making me wonder if I should have went with 5.2lo. Will madness ensue?[close]
What's your deck width and wb? Cast 5.6 are one of my fave trucks ever. You'll probably like them a lot.
8.125/14.125Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd just like that, you convinced me to retire my razored deck that ironically, I was going to retire but seemed to breathe new life into with the T-IIs I put on it.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
...i miss my lil boat haha idc if it’s razor tailed to shit...[close]
Beware the doom! Friend just got 12 stitches in his Achilles from a razor-tailed shark bite![close]
Meanwhile, some interesting Venture talk. Never rode Venture before but I have a set of 5.6 waiting to go on my next setup and I like hearing that they seem to ride a size bigger since I almost went with 5.8. Although, it’s making me wonder if I should have went with 5.2lo. Will madness ensue?[close]
What's your deck width and wb? Cast 5.6 are one of my fave trucks ever. You'll probably like them a lot.[close]
It might be a while before I set it up but looking forward to it!
Regarding 8.25 vs. 8.5 trucks – it's funny how for me both 144 and 149 Indys go fine with 8.25 to 8.5 decks – currently enjoying 149s on an 8.5 but could well ride 144s no problem.
Then again on Ventures, 5.6s feel awesome on anything from 8.125 to 8.5 decks, but 5.8s feel just completely strange and too hefty for my taste even on an 8.5 deck.
Main point being that the difference in feel between 5.8 Vents and 149 Indys is huge compared to 5.6 Vents and 144 Indys.
Am I alone with this?
Yeah, venture lows are the best looking truck ever. Unfortunately they're a super niche truck with lots of drawbacks. I'm on 5.8 highs but once in a while I wish I could make the lows work, would feel really sick
I love the venture low 5.2s so much
Was my first truck
I definitely think there's something to height/width ratio
I figured a range of what height works for what truck and came up with basically some wheel sizes and truck sizes that I think work well for their dimensions
Venture / thunder low 7.625" - 46 to 48mm wheels
Venture / thunder low 8" - 49 to 51mm wheels
Pretty much any mid or high truck ~8.375" - 52 to 54mm wheels
Ace / stg 4 ~8.75" + 1/8" risers - 55 to 57mm wheels
Ace / stg 4 ~9.125" + 1/4" risers - 58 to 60mm wheels
Obviously you can give or take here and there with this, like you can run 57mm wheels without risers on indys just fine, or say 56's on an 8.25" truck for example
But I definitely feel there's a sweet spot with proportions
Where is the line between just swapping gear or trying something new and indulging in madness?
Is it just the attitude towards it? Like not thinking your current setup is fucked and keeping your from skating to your abilities but instead just having curiosity?
But eventually that can lead to full blown madness if you're just switching everything all the time right?
I'm good with my setup currently, really. No desire to switch from a performance standpoint, I'm under no illusion that different trucks are gonna make me a measurably better skater.
My curiosity is just around shit I haven't tried, never owned Slappy's or T2s. And with decks I'm beginning to want to try something different things just to keep things fresh. No real reason other than that. At least 32" long, at least, 14.38 wb, and somewhere between 8.38-8.6 width. Hell I would even try a shaped deck. Wheels are pretty set between 54-56mm classics maybe radials sometimes?
Again, everything is fine with my current setup, and I'm def not going out and buying anything to hoard in the mean time. I feel like trucks are more of a commitment because they last so long, and I do want to get away from buying things I don't get the full life out of. But being open to the idea of trying other shit made me start to ask these questions.
Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.
And as far as decks go, I feel like switching it up within known good parameters is fine. As long as you are getting most of the life out of them and aren't doing so in some sort of attempt to "solve" something or "fix" a perceived issue with your setup. As long as it's just rooted in keeping things fresh for the sake of it and you're not jumping all over the place in dimensions, you're fine.
Expand QuoteWhere is the line between just swapping gear or trying something new and indulging in madness?
Is it just the attitude towards it? Like not thinking your current setup is fucked and keeping your from skating to your abilities but instead just having curiosity?
But eventually that can lead to full blown madness if you're just switching everything all the time right?
I'm good with my setup currently, really. No desire to switch from a performance standpoint, I'm under no illusion that different trucks are gonna make me a measurably better skater.
My curiosity is just around shit I haven't tried, never owned Slappy's or T2s. And with decks I'm beginning to want to try something different things just to keep things fresh. No real reason other than that. At least 32" long, at least, 14.38 wb, and somewhere between 8.38-8.6 width. Hell I would even try a shaped deck. Wheels are pretty set between 54-56mm classics maybe radials sometimes?
Again, everything is fine with my current setup, and I'm def not going out and buying anything to hoard in the mean time. I feel like trucks are more of a commitment because they last so long, and I do want to get away from buying things I don't get the full life out of. But being open to the idea of trying other shit made me start to ask these questions.
Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.
And as far as decks go, I feel like switching it up within known good parameters is fine. As long as you are getting most of the life out of them and aren't doing so in some sort of attempt to "solve" something or "fix" a perceived issue with your setup. As long as it's just rooted in keeping things fresh for the sake of it and you're not jumping all over the place in dimensions, you're fine.[close]
I’m sure we could debate the definition of “gear madness” into, well, madness, but I’d say a working definition of Madness is “chasing nuance in pursuit of perfection.”
I was going to agree that it isn’t really madness if you are just curious to try different products, which is where I’m at. But, I am also doing it somewhat in the pursuit of perfection so maybe I’m just trying to play it off that I’m not mad? Naw, for sure I’m mad, lol! A big part of it to me is I never knew what all the differences meant and just chose stuff on perceived preference. What I’m finding is there is no perfect but certain products work better together for different people depending on what you are going for. It’s good to be at the point where you can buy any one part and know what you can pair with it to achieve the feel you want.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere is the line between just swapping gear or trying something new and indulging in madness?
Is it just the attitude towards it? Like not thinking your current setup is fucked and keeping your from skating to your abilities but instead just having curiosity?
But eventually that can lead to full blown madness if you're just switching everything all the time right?
I'm good with my setup currently, really. No desire to switch from a performance standpoint, I'm under no illusion that different trucks are gonna make me a measurably better skater.
My curiosity is just around shit I haven't tried, never owned Slappy's or T2s. And with decks I'm beginning to want to try something different things just to keep things fresh. No real reason other than that. At least 32" long, at least, 14.38 wb, and somewhere between 8.38-8.6 width. Hell I would even try a shaped deck. Wheels are pretty set between 54-56mm classics maybe radials sometimes?
Again, everything is fine with my current setup, and I'm def not going out and buying anything to hoard in the mean time. I feel like trucks are more of a commitment because they last so long, and I do want to get away from buying things I don't get the full life out of. But being open to the idea of trying other shit made me start to ask these questions.
Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.
And as far as decks go, I feel like switching it up within known good parameters is fine. As long as you are getting most of the life out of them and aren't doing so in some sort of attempt to "solve" something or "fix" a perceived issue with your setup. As long as it's just rooted in keeping things fresh for the sake of it and you're not jumping all over the place in dimensions, you're fine.[close]
I’m sure we could debate the definition of “gear madness” into, well, madness, but I’d say a working definition of Madness is “chasing nuance in pursuit of perfection.”[close]
Yea, that's kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. I'm def not in the mindset of perfecting/fixing/solving my setup anymore. I'm at the point now where I know what I like and would only consider changing things up within those parameters.
and i just get a little jolt when i buy shit. or daydream about buying shit.
Edit: after further thought, I feel like just trying someone else's setup with 8.5 Slappy's/T2s on a similar enough deck size would probably be enough to scratch that itch. Though I don't know anyone with them or I probably would have already. Trucks are definitely a longer commitment and I don't wanna buy something I might not get the use out of. Maybe once my Indys are cooked I would consider trying something different, but I'm not sure I'd really wanna make that big of a change for so long.
i watch a video clip of dekyzer doing a switch flip and then i want to buy all of his shit’.
Expand Quotei watch a video clip of dekyzer doing a switch flip and then i want to buy all of his shit’.[close]
This is what usually does it for me except it’ll be some obscure shit that makes me want to break out of my ledge/curb/manny lifestyle, so I’ll setup some crazy complete that doesn’t compliment my skillset at all & force myself to get used to it. Then when the spell breaks my “normal” gear feels unfamiliar and I’m just lost in the sauce until something works again and then cycle repeats itself.
Skills, Commitment, being stoked ...................> gear
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Skills, Commitment, being stoked ...................> gear[close]
But it helps so much when you are stoked on/about your gear.
Hot take, but I think saying "I've cured madness by just riding only this one setup" is the last stage in the clown applying face paint meme. To me if you're free of madness you can try different decks, wheels, etc and acknowledge the differences and be at peace skating around them (if it's not atrocious) until you get something else. Only having a super narrow setup range it's still implying that only one magical combo exists, which is what we search for with gear experiments and memorizing dimensions.
Think of it like disordered eating. If you say "Hey I can eat as much as I want as long as it's just chicken, white rice, and broccoli or something on a list of approved foods but I can have as much as I want" it might not be limiting quality but it's still a form of a disorder. I liken "THE setup for me, but I only have one..." as similar logic.
I say this because I recently had such a setup but had an epiphany looking at pictures of old setups that absolutely none of them did everything well all the time and there's no guarantee the person I am now would pick a specific one and have the same experience.
Limiting myself to just the same setup all the time makes me eventually try some other shit. My curiosity always gets the best of me. Usually just boards, though. Always the same width size, just different woodshops/shapes.
After skating PS Stix for the last year I realised how I missed other boards. Once I got off PS I realised how the other boards work better for most of the things I do. PS Stix closing is the best thing for my board madness.
I feel like this cycle repeats and I remember that no single setup (particularly just the board) can do everything well or needs any adjusting.
This is the year I make sure to get through my stack of boards… but I just bought a pair of Venture los.
Anyone think shoe madness is worse than board madness? I will strictly stick to shoes that work straight away. Fuck that nonsense when it comes to shoes. Can’t do it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLimiting myself to just the same setup all the time makes me eventually try some other shit. My curiosity always gets the best of me. Usually just boards, though. Always the same width size, just different woodshops/shapes.
After skating PS Stix for the last year I realised how I missed other boards. Once I got off PS I realised how the other boards work better for most of the things I do. PS Stix closing is the best thing for my board madness.
I feel like this cycle repeats and I remember that no single setup (particularly just the board) can do everything well or needs any adjusting.
This is the year I make sure to get through my stack of boards… but I just bought a pair of Venture los.
Anyone think shoe madness is worse than board madness? I will strictly stick to shoes that work straight away. Fuck that nonsense when it comes to shoes. Can’t do it.[close]
Went from slim Vans Pros, Cons, Blazers up to chunky DCs, over to mid puff Soletech cups, to modern NB# cups and Dunks, only to come back to mid puff soletech cups after years & money spent experimenting! Yet, newer shoe designs/brands always entice me, so time to curb the madness spending in 2026. Now, I stick with what I know works with skate shoes.[close]
That’s a wide range for sure. I started off on bulky cupsoles as a kid but could never return. At some point I became super picky about how the sole feels along with a wider toe box.
Lots of shoes I like become discontinued then the cycle and search continues. I loved the first run of Blazers but I swear they changed. Same with the Campuses. I had a long run with Slip On Pros but one day they just felt too narrow. Habitat shoes were great, then they were done. NB 212s did the job, then they cut them.
I feel like I can get used to a different board and accept it more so than a pair of shoes that feel off. Recently I tried making the Louie 2’s work but every session in them felt lacklustre. Luckily there’s one Adidas mold/sole that works. Gonz’s model is damn expensive but there are alternatives for when I can’t find them.
I feel like my gear madness comes from me not knowing my "specialty/style".
I started skating over a year ago with some prior experience (I learned how to ollie and shuv using a friends board in high school) and I have been learning to skate different obstacles.
Because of that, I constantly adjusted my setup in hopes to make things easier. Like skating a smaller board for ledges and flatground, and then switching to a larger board for curbs and transition.
The constant switching did not make learning tricks any easier (what a surprise) and I have learned that there are a lot of obstacles that I cannot skate at all.
I mainly skate curbs and mini ramps if I can find one, occasionally do flatground tricks if I feel like it. Ive been trying to get 360 flips more consistent.
So I decided to setup a Christmas complete with this realization (genius move). I am currently riding a 9" egg with Thunder Hollow Light 149s with SF 52mm Classic Wheels. It feels good to skate although it is a little harder to flip, me being short with a very small shoe size does not help.
At this point if im not satisfied with my setup ill just suck it up knowing that switching certain parts will not make me a good skater.
Does anyone here have experience with radial fulls, how do they compare to the conical full?
Regardless of what we skate….we all kinda know Indy’s are the right answer….l
^ Back when I dabbled with the DLX 8.5/14.25s, I couldn’t do 144s on them—just tad too much magic carpet, but that also made some things flip a lot easier…maybe even a bit too twitchy for me?? I rode those decks within 149 forged hollows and 53mm Classics…but 14.25 is just too cramped for my height/legs. Kind of wish I could ride that deck, though, because they are just EVERYWHERE.
^ Back when I dabbled with the DLX 8.5/14.25s, I couldn’t do 144s on them—just tad too much magic carpet, but that also made some things flip a lot easier…maybe even a bit too twitchy for me?? I rode those decks within 149 forged hollows and 53mm Classics…but 14.25 is just too cramped for my height/legs. Kind of wish I could ride that deck, though, because they are just EVERYWHERE.
I had thought it may be different this time, but... no hahah
So I am about a month in on my Indy 159 standards and honestly they aren’t feeling as great as I remembered. Maybe it’s cause I came from venture or because I am skating a lot differently than I used to (skating more street, ledges curbs and flip tricks as opposed to mainly skating transition) but I think I’m ready to try lurpivs. Im gonna try and go in with no expectations at all, just try something different, and maybe after that thunders with some risers, cause I like the 55mm height but the weight and pop feel just feels off. Granted I also did move up wb from 14.5 to 14.625 on this white eagle but idk I just wanna try different stuff and see what feels just good. I know I likely won’t find a “perfect” set up but I just wanna find something that feels all around good
I know I should just stick to a setup and skate that but there is just a lot I wanna try too and I know the feeling of Indy’s and honestly don’t know if they are for me anymore.
Ofc I’m gonna have to axle these first so will report back once I do or if anything changes before then
I ended up grabbing those T2s.
Only a couple sessions in so far, bushings feel like they've firmed up.
I like/dislike all the same things about these as I do aces so far.
But I think I prefer these to aces.
Meh, will probably be back to the ol Indy standards whenever this deck runs it's course. Unless something major clicks for me on them or something.
It was fun to check these out though.
Expand QuoteI ended up grabbing those T2s.
Only a couple sessions in so far, bushings feel like they've firmed up.
I like/dislike all the same things about these as I do aces so far.
But I think I prefer these to aces.
Meh, will probably be back to the ol Indy standards whenever this deck runs it's course. Unless something major clicks for me on them or something.
It was fun to check these out though.[close]
What things are those? been thinking about TII, but what i like about TI is that the hangar sits farther out relative to the baseplate and it give me a good feel for the lever and when i pop, i feel like the pushed out hangar causes the board to keep its forward momentum better, whereas on ace or a shorter wheelbase truck it feels like all the energy doesn't transfer forward, but instead just goes straight up like when you're popping your board into your hand.
worried that the TII won't have the same feeling as the WB is shorter, and presumably the hangar does not sit the same way relative to the baseplate.
Expand QuoteI ended up grabbing those T2s.
Only a couple sessions in so far, bushings feel like they've firmed up.
I like/dislike all the same things about these as I do aces so far.
But I think I prefer these to aces.
Meh, will probably be back to the ol Indy standards whenever this deck runs it's course. Unless something major clicks for me on them or something.
It was fun to check these out though.[close]
What things are those? been thinking about TII, but what i like about TI is that the hangar sits farther out relative to the baseplate and it give me a good feel for the lever and when i pop, i feel like the pushed out hangar causes the board to keep its forward momentum better, whereas on ace or a shorter wheelbase truck it feels like all the energy doesn't transfer forward, but instead just goes straight up like when you're popping your board into your hand.
worried that the TII won't have the same feeling as the WB is shorter, and presumably the hangar does not sit the same way relative to the baseplate.
Expand QuoteSo I am about a month in on my Indy 159 standards and honestly they aren’t feeling as great as I remembered. Maybe it’s cause I came from venture or because I am skating a lot differently than I used to (skating more street, ledges curbs and flip tricks as opposed to mainly skating transition) but I think I’m ready to try lurpivs. Im gonna try and go in with no expectations at all, just try something different, and maybe after that thunders with some risers, cause I like the 55mm height but the weight and pop feel just feels off. Granted I also did move up wb from 14.5 to 14.625 on this white eagle but idk I just wanna try different stuff and see what feels just good. I know I likely won’t find a “perfect” set up but I just wanna find something that feels all around good
I know I should just stick to a setup and skate that but there is just a lot I wanna try too and I know the feeling of Indy’s and honestly don’t know if they are for me anymore.
Ofc I’m gonna have to axle these first so will report back once I do or if anything changes before then[close]
What don't you like about them now? Were you riding 8.75 ventures with risers previously?
Personally, I would ride 149s on an 8.62/8.75 just to try and make that large setup feel a bit more manageable. (If we're talking regular setups and not cruisers or anything)
But that is totally just a personal taste/preference thing. Not saying it's objectively the way to go or anything.
Fingers crossed but I think I'm really gonna dig the black conicals
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Fingers crossed but I think I'm really gonna dig the black conicals[close]
@Mbrimson88 and I have talked about this before....the Indy conicals skate/feel like 1/2-steps between relative Indy barrel durometers. For example...
90a Barrel
92a conical
92a Barrel
94a conical
94a Barrel
etc...
For the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...Fret not, brother. You're probably just stoked from skating and got some good feelings from it. I bet you woulda had just as good of a time on my board
For the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...
If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride
Exactly how I feel about them. Sometimes I even like their lack of turn compared to independent...
I've been fuckin around with different Indy bushings trying to get them stable on center and not mushy, have some rail-to-rail tension for flip tricks, but still have a responsive turn/crooks pinch when I want it
I used to skate thunders during the stage 9/10 era. Low and pinchy but I got hella wheelbite and I weigh 145 lbs and was on 53mm wheels.. I love the extra height on Indy standards and I think they pair perfectly with a 14.25" wb board like a blue eagle or baker b16..
I think I'd rather have a high truck with a shorter truck wheelbase and bigger wheels, than a low truck with a longer truck wheelbase and small wheels.. lil more versatile.
I wish I would have tried Indy conical bushings in my thunders back then. I broke more hangers on thunders than I did on indys though
Has anyone tried ace low bushings in thunders? I bet that shit would be sick
Anyways after trying my friend board with tight trucks a couple weeks ago, and trying aces with hard bushings a couple years ago, I really like the sort of, pressurized, dry, crispy, snappy sound of my board, and being able to kinda just put my foot wherever for flip tricks and it won't veer off in that direction.. not nyjah level foot position hahah but not Aimu level either
Reynolds weighs enough to still pinch crooks on his orange barrel bushings, cranked down with the kingpin angle grinder'd off
I feel like I'll find a combo that works.. either straight-up black conicals, or some sort of combo like orange conical bottom, black top, angle grind the top 1/8" of the kingpin off
Expand QuoteFor the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...[close]
This is how I end up back on thunders. Skate aces or Indy’s for a few months and hit a wall on progress or just have a few bad sessions that likely have nothing to do with my setup, throw on thunders (because madness) and have an amazing session. Skate thunders for a few weeks and eventually have a bad session or forget to wax the wheel contact part of a ledge and stick on too many nose/tailslides, “I don’t do enough tech tricks to need these anyways” Indy’s or aces start to look appealing because people who skate the way I wish I could skate have them.
Rinse and repeat.
Right now I’m in the beginning of the Thunder phase. If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride. Maybe this time it’ll be different
Honestly some days or even weeks things just feel bad as we age. Or good. I do a lot of mountain biking and cycling and in peak season I can show up feeling super excited to skate and my legs simply have zero pop. I can't imagine added trucks into the mix constantly and hoping to get any long-term conclusions other than a temporary novelty effect.
For me the most satisfying days are when I feel old and beat up on the sesh but things feel nice and familiar. I might not do anything new or interesting, but the simple basics just feel solid and fun.
There is no better feeling truck than an Ace Classic 55.
Expand QuoteThere is no better feeling truck than an Ace Classic 55.[close]
You know what, I think you're right
Expand QuoteFor the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...[close]
This is how I end up back on thunders. Skate aces or Indy’s for a few months and hit a wall on progress or just have a few bad sessions that likely have nothing to do with my setup, throw on thunders (because madness) and have an amazing session. Skate thunders for a few weeks and eventually have a bad session or forget to wax the wheel contact part of a ledge and stick on too many nose/tailslides, “I don’t do enough tech tricks to need these anyways” Indy’s or aces start to look appealing because people who skate the way I wish I could skate have them.
Rinse and repeat.
Right now I’m in the beginning of the Thunder phase. If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride. Maybe this time it’ll be different 🥴
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...[close]
This is how I end up back on thunders. Skate aces or Indy’s for a few months and hit a wall on progress or just have a few bad sessions that likely have nothing to do with my setup, throw on thunders (because madness) and have an amazing session. Skate thunders for a few weeks and eventually have a bad session or forget to wax the wheel contact part of a ledge and stick on too many nose/tailslides, “I don’t do enough tech tricks to need these anyways” Indy’s or aces start to look appealing because people who skate the way I wish I could skate have them.
Rinse and repeat.
Right now I’m in the beginning of the Thunder phase. If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride. Maybe this time it’ll be different 🥴[close]
The waffling between Thunder and Ace is so damn relatable to me. I conceded now that I’ll never be able to just choose and stick with one for good, so I set up my Aces on an alt setup with rails to hit curbs and the more cruisey fun spots and set up my Thunders on a “main” setup for the standard sessions where I intend to really practice all my flip tricks and ledge tricks.
Sigh
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...[close]
This is how I end up back on thunders. Skate aces or Indy’s for a few months and hit a wall on progress or just have a few bad sessions that likely have nothing to do with my setup, throw on thunders (because madness) and have an amazing session. Skate thunders for a few weeks and eventually have a bad session or forget to wax the wheel contact part of a ledge and stick on too many nose/tailslides, “I don’t do enough tech tricks to need these anyways” Indy’s or aces start to look appealing because people who skate the way I wish I could skate have them.
Rinse and repeat.
Right now I’m in the beginning of the Thunder phase. If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride. Maybe this time it’ll be different 🥴[close]
The waffling between Thunder and Ace is so damn relatable to me. I conceded now that I’ll never be able to just choose and stick with one for good, so I set up my Aces on an alt setup with rails to hit curbs and the more cruisey fun spots and set up my Thunders on a “main” setup for the standard sessions where I intend to really practice all my flip tricks and ledge tricks.
Sigh
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...[close]
This is how I end up back on thunders. Skate aces or Indy’s for a few months and hit a wall on progress or just have a few bad sessions that likely have nothing to do with my setup, throw on thunders (because madness) and have an amazing session. Skate thunders for a few weeks and eventually have a bad session or forget to wax the wheel contact part of a ledge and stick on too many nose/tailslides, “I don’t do enough tech tricks to need these anyways” Indy’s or aces start to look appealing because people who skate the way I wish I could skate have them.
Rinse and repeat.
Right now I’m in the beginning of the Thunder phase. If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride. Maybe this time it’ll be different 🥴[close]
The waffling between Thunder and Ace is so damn relatable to me. I conceded now that I’ll never be able to just choose and stick with one for good, so I set up my Aces on an alt setup with rails to hit curbs and the more cruisey fun spots and set up my Thunders on a “main” setup for the standard sessions where I intend to really practice all my flip tricks and ledge tricks.
Sigh[close]
I truly hope that works for you. I thought I found the cure once I had 3 setups for the same reason but after some time that only made it worse. I think I must have actual OCD (I don’t say that lightly) because I can’t be comfortable knowing I have other setups with various components. I need to be a Thunder guy, and ace guy, or an Indy guy etc. to feel this made up validation for myself that I’ve created.
This type of thinking has been something I’ve always struggled with in other aspects of life and I’ve concluded it’s just manifesting itself through skateboard trucks because I put so much emphasis on what I ride and what kind of skater I am to distract myself from the horrors of the real world. Kinda like creating smaller manageable problems to cope with the uncertainty and anxiety of the big scary ones that I am helpless against.
Probably the only way I’ll settle this for any extended length of time is to just totally rid myself of any other options but even then I’d probably find an excuse to order new trucks in some manic state after some new part or concept triggers me. I’m fucked lol.
This type of thinking has been something I’ve always struggled with in other aspects of life and I’ve concluded it’s just manifesting itself through skateboard trucks because I put so much emphasis on what I ride and what kind of skater I am to distract myself from the horrors of the real world. Kinda like creating smaller manageable problems to cope with the uncertainty and anxiety of the big scary ones that I am helpless against.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFor the last few months I had so much fun on my independent 159s. Today I went to the skatepark, the weather was meh, ground slightly wet in some spots but I had the urge to have a little session. Grabbed my spare setup since I didn't want to mess up every board and had one of the best sessions in weeks. Thunder 151s x97 8.6 14.25 wheelbase, everything felt springy and light under my feet. I'm questioning my whole existence right now...[close]
This is how I end up back on thunders. Skate aces or Indy’s for a few months and hit a wall on progress or just have a few bad sessions that likely have nothing to do with my setup, throw on thunders (because madness) and have an amazing session. Skate thunders for a few weeks and eventually have a bad session or forget to wax the wheel contact part of a ledge and stick on too many nose/tailslides, “I don’t do enough tech tricks to need these anyways” Indy’s or aces start to look appealing because people who skate the way I wish I could skate have them.
Rinse and repeat.
Right now I’m in the beginning of the Thunder phase. If I’m being honest with myself they suit my natural style of skating so much better and I’m almost always more consistent but I just get bored with their lack of surfyness and start lusting after a different ride. Maybe this time it’ll be different 🥴[close]
The waffling between Thunder and Ace is so damn relatable to me. I conceded now that I’ll never be able to just choose and stick with one for good, so I set up my Aces on an alt setup with rails to hit curbs and the more cruisey fun spots and set up my Thunders on a “main” setup for the standard sessions where I intend to really practice all my flip tricks and ledge tricks.
Sigh[close]
That is what T2s are for.
We may be making some real progress here, guys. I’d like to issue a challenge to everyone active in this thread: Starting Saturday (or at your earliest convenience) we setup a board and stick to it for one month. No matter what. No changes at all unless something breaks or completely wears down. If at the end of the month you’ve identified aspects of your setup that you absolutely cannot stand, make changes as needed & we try this again. I’m very curious to see how it works out for not only myself but for you all as well. I can’t remember the last time I went a whole month without swapping something so I’m doing this regardless as a way to end this madness shit once and for all.
We may be making some real progress here, guys. I’d like to issue a challenge to everyone active in this thread: Starting Saturday (or at your earliest convenience) we setup a board and stick to it for one month. No matter what. No changes at all unless something breaks or completely wears down. If at the end of the month you’ve identified aspects of your setup that you absolutely cannot stand, make changes as needed & we try this again. I’m very curious to see how it works out for not only myself but for you all as well. I can’t remember the last time I went a whole month without swapping something so I’m doing this regardless as a way to end this madness shit once and for all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is no better feeling truck than an Ace Classic 55.[close]
You know what, I think you're right[close]
right up until nollie flip number three
but yes
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is no better feeling truck than an Ace Classic 55.[close]
You know what, I think you're right[close]
right up until nollie flip number three
but yes[close]
I don't think I've done 3 nollie flips in a row since the mid 90s and no truck will get me back there. Flip tricks were never my forte but I did learn/ relearn a bunch of other flips tricks in Aces....
Expand QuoteThis type of thinking has been something I’ve always struggled with in other aspects of life and I’ve concluded it’s just manifesting itself through skateboard trucks because I put so much emphasis on what I ride and what kind of skater I am to distract myself from the horrors of the real world. Kinda like creating smaller manageable problems to cope with the uncertainty and anxiety of the big scary ones that I am helpless against.[close]
This has always been it for me, 100%. Whether it's my setup, wardrobe, ultralight backpacking setup, ice climbing/rock climbing stuff, snowboard and ski stuff, drum kit madness, bicycles, etc
A small thing I can control
Like hey my friend might've just died and I couldn't control that but thank dog I have control over these small things that I can escape into. Means to an end for fun and adventure, I can escape away into building bicycles, skateboards, backpacks, because I can daydream about all the fun I'm going to have.. I'll pick away at it and hyperfocus and learn everything I can cause it's a safe controlled environment when I have no control over shit else in the world that's scary and sad out there. It's like why people get tattoos or piercings or cut themselves or whatever. It's something YOU can do to YOURSELF, so you're taking back control, especially of pain, from outside forces. I think with my skating and climbing and cycling shit it's not exactly the same as that, but yeah it's something that I can control the outcomes of and it just feels like a safe haven
I don’t know what to choose between the Indy Forged Hollows 139 and the Indy Mids Forged Hollows 139 for an 8.0 board with a 14 wheelbase and 31.4 length, with a fairly mellow shape. I ride 52 mm wheels.
I’ve always wondered whether, for an 8.0 board, tall trucks (from 53.5 to 55 mm) aren’t actually less suitable, and whether low trucks are better in terms of width and stability. I have the feeling that the wider a board is, the taller the trucks should be but I’m not sure.
I rode Indy Forgeds for a long time and absolutely loved them on an 8.125, but I want to go back to an 8.0 because it’s much easier for me.
If anyone has already tried both pairs of these trucks, I’d love to hear your opinion !
Expand QuoteI don’t know what to choose between the Indy Forged Hollows 139 and the Indy Mids Forged Hollows 139 for an 8.0 board with a 14 wheelbase and 31.4 length, with a fairly mellow shape. I ride 52 mm wheels.
I’ve always wondered whether, for an 8.0 board, tall trucks (from 53.5 to 55 mm) aren’t actually less suitable, and whether low trucks are better in terms of width and stability. I have the feeling that the wider a board is, the taller the trucks should be but I’m not sure.
I rode Indy Forgeds for a long time and absolutely loved them on an 8.125, but I want to go back to an 8.0 because it’s much easier for me.
If anyone has already tried both pairs of these trucks, I’d love to hear your opinion ![close]
I believe that ratios are important (e.g. Venture lows on a 10” deck, not so good. 60mm wheels on a 7.75”, also not good). But there comes a point where nuances just become perseverations. Avoid that trap.
Indy Mids suck. Lots of problems with them. Give them away, and don’t look back. Forged Hollow on an 8” are fine. Make sure to rule over your mind, or it will rule over you.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don’t know what to choose between the Indy Forged Hollows 139 and the Indy Mids Forged Hollows 139 for an 8.0 board with a 14 wheelbase and 31.4 length, with a fairly mellow shape. I ride 52 mm wheels.
I’ve always wondered whether, for an 8.0 board, tall trucks (from 53.5 to 55 mm) aren’t actually less suitable, and whether low trucks are better in terms of width and stability. I have the feeling that the wider a board is, the taller the trucks should be but I’m not sure.
I rode Indy Forgeds for a long time and absolutely loved them on an 8.125, but I want to go back to an 8.0 because it’s much easier for me.
If anyone has already tried both pairs of these trucks, I’d love to hear your opinion ![close]
I believe that ratios are important (e.g. Venture lows on a 10” deck, not so good. 60mm wheels on a 7.75”, also not good). But there comes a point where nuances just become perseverations. Avoid that trap.
Indy Mids suck. Lots of problems with them. Give them away, and don’t look back. Forged Hollow on an 8” are fine. Make sure to rule over your mind, or it will rule over you.[close]
Especially since the forged with a WB 14 have a lower pop angle, right ?
Still, I’m curious about the Forged Mids for the stability and maybe an easier way to get a lower pop.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don’t know what to choose between the Indy Forged Hollows 139 and the Indy Mids Forged Hollows 139 for an 8.0 board with a 14 wheelbase and 31.4 length, with a fairly mellow shape. I ride 52 mm wheels.
I’ve always wondered whether, for an 8.0 board, tall trucks (from 53.5 to 55 mm) aren’t actually less suitable, and whether low trucks are better in terms of width and stability. I have the feeling that the wider a board is, the taller the trucks should be but I’m not sure.
I rode Indy Forgeds for a long time and absolutely loved them on an 8.125, but I want to go back to an 8.0 because it’s much easier for me.
If anyone has already tried both pairs of these trucks, I’d love to hear your opinion ![close]
I believe that ratios are important (e.g. Venture lows on a 10” deck, not so good. 60mm wheels on a 7.75”, also not good). But there comes a point where nuances just become perseverations. Avoid that trap.
Indy Mids suck. Lots of problems with them. Give them away, and don’t look back. Forged Hollow on an 8” are fine. Make sure to rule over your mind, or it will rule over you.[close]
Especially since the forged with a WB 14 have a lower pop angle, right ?
Still, I’m curious about the Forged Mids for the stability and maybe an easier way to get a lower pop.
We may be making some real progress here, guys. I’d like to issue a challenge to everyone active in this thread: Starting Saturday (or at your earliest convenience) we setup a board and stick to it for one month. No matter what. No changes at all unless something breaks or completely wears down. If at the end of the month you’ve identified aspects of your setup that you absolutely cannot stand, make changes as needed & we try this again. I’m very curious to see how it works out for not only myself but for you all as well. I can’t remember the last time I went a whole month without swapping something so I’m doing this regardless as a way to end this madness shit once and for all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI don’t know what to choose between the Indy Forged Hollows 139 and the Indy Mids Forged Hollows 139 for an 8.0 board with a 14 wheelbase and 31.4 length, with a fairly mellow shape. I ride 52 mm wheels.
I’ve always wondered whether, for an 8.0 board, tall trucks (from 53.5 to 55 mm) aren’t actually less suitable, and whether low trucks are better in terms of width and stability. I have the feeling that the wider a board is, the taller the trucks should be but I’m not sure.
I rode Indy Forgeds for a long time and absolutely loved them on an 8.125, but I want to go back to an 8.0 because it’s much easier for me.
If anyone has already tried both pairs of these trucks, I’d love to hear your opinion ![close]
I believe that ratios are important (e.g. Venture lows on a 10” deck, not so good. 60mm wheels on a 7.75”, also not good). But there comes a point where nuances just become perseverations. Avoid that trap.
Indy Mids suck. Lots of problems with them. Give them away, and don’t look back. Forged Hollow on an 8” are fine. Make sure to rule over your mind, or it will rule over you.[close]
Especially since the forged with a WB 14 have a lower pop angle, right ?
Still, I’m curious about the Forged Mids for the stability and maybe an easier way to get a lower pop.[close]
No, it has nothing to do with the deck they are set-up with. Mids suck on their own, independent (pun absolutely intended) of whatever deck. Seriously, avoid them. Hard stop.
Last minute change to aces in the off chance they help me skate like max palmer this time. Generator football. Classic F4’s. I’m going in. Full accountability. Godspeed lads.
ive been injured since July 1 2025. i tossed everything i was skating at the time. i dont even remember what i skate anymore. this spring back on the board is gonna be nurtz. trying decide whether to change everything up from past practices, since ‘now’ would be the time
Expand QuoteLast minute change to aces in the off chance they help me skate like max palmer this time. Generator football. Classic F4’s. I’m going in. Full accountability. Godspeed lads.[close]
oh sweetie you are wildin
Expand Quoteive been injured since July 1 2025. i tossed everything i was skating at the time. i dont even remember what i skate anymore. this spring back on the board is gonna be nurtz. trying decide whether to change everything up from past practices, since ‘now’ would be the time[close]
i like the idea of changing things in total. an era shift.
it’ll be jarring to see you not on some white 8.5 ish with 149s.
how far will you stray?
will ‘the bench’ still factor in?
for me, if i’m being totally honest, i haven’t been comfortable on a board for an extended time, in more than 10 years.
i never successfully moved on from venture lo’s.
i struggled to size up to 8.25 and beyond.
i struggled to move up past 52mm wheels.
i dabbled enough that i do not feel comfortable on an 8, but never found home on 8.25 and above.
aging has played a large part in this. where some posters (@Sedition is a great) have leaned into what feels good, and have just concentrated on that, i’m still trying to grab all of these disparate criteria (cultural, technical, actual, feels good), and sort of hope that something works out. it’s working out. just not how i wish.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteive been injured since July 1 2025. i tossed everything i was skating at the time. i dont even remember what i skate anymore. this spring back on the board is gonna be nurtz. trying decide whether to change everything up from past practices, since ‘now’ would be the time[close]
i like the idea of changing things in total. an era shift.
it’ll be jarring to see you not on some white 8.5 ish with 149s.
how far will you stray?
will ‘the bench’ still factor in?
for me, if i’m being totally honest, i haven’t been comfortable on a board for an extended time, in more than 10 years.
i never successfully moved on from venture lo’s.
i struggled to size up to 8.25 and beyond.
i struggled to move up past 52mm wheels.
i dabbled enough that i do not feel comfortable on an 8, but never found home on 8.25 and above.
aging has played a large part in this. where some posters (@Sedition is a great) have leaned into what feels good, and have just concentrated on that, i’m still trying to grab all of these disparate criteria (cultural, technical, actual, feels good), and sort of hope that something works out. it’s working out. just not how i wish.[close]
ha. you see me.
anyways, who am i kidding? changing it up is what got me here. i was skating an 8.25 DBX with forged hollows and 52mms, and i swear the board was so light it just floated away… leaving me to land on my poor lil ankle.
We may be making some real progress here, guys. I’d like to issue a challenge to everyone active in this thread: Starting Saturday (or at your earliest convenience) we setup a board and stick to it for one month. No matter what. No changes at all unless something breaks or completely wears down. If at the end of the month you’ve identified aspects of your setup that you absolutely cannot stand, make changes as needed & we try this again. I’m very curious to see how it works out for not only myself but for you all as well. I can’t remember the last time I went a whole month without swapping something so I’m doing this regardless as a way to end this madness shit once and for all.
I'm looking for something similiar to crailtap g052 shape. 14" wheelbase, 8.25 and close to 32" in length. April has some and that Real easyrider looks good. Anything else?Primitive has an 8.25 x 14
Here's some BBS boards available in 14" wb
•Real red oval 8.125(only 31.38" long)
•Real easy rider oval 8.25(long-ass kicks)
•Antihero basalt eagle 8.5" shorter
•Hardbody basalt 8.25" short
•Hardbody basalt 8.125"
•Hardbody basalt 8"
•Hardbody 8.25" short
•Dlx true fit 8.38"
•Limo 8.18"
•Gx1000 8"
•Sci-Fi 8.25" short
•BBS blank 8.25" short
There's some baker 8.25s listed as 14" wb and 31.6" length, and I know the OG 8.25 is 31.8 long so that's legit. Haven't seen one in person yet.
There's also some baker 8.475s I saw listed as 14" wb, but still with the same length as the OG, so, not sure if that's just a mistake/typo
They're too hard to find, and a lot of the time it's just a board designed around 14.25 wb, just drilled in slightly. So same shape, just more "fingers of flat".Yeah I completely agree. This is something you have to deal with if you ride ventures and like a certain type of board. I was considering redrilling my trucks in another topic.
Ahh with the ventures that makes senseYeah I completely agree. This is something you have to deal with if you ride ventures and like a certain type of board. I was considering redrilling the trucks in another topic.Expand QuoteThey're too hard to find, and a lot of the time it's just a board designed around 14.25 wb, just drilled in slightly. So same shape, just more "fingers of flat".[close]
Yeah at least he had some forged ventures set up when he was introducing the board
If I recall correctly, Ben designed the 8.25 easy rider around venture highs
Agreed
Hollow axles don't feel right to me
I think tiny wheels is the best way to lighten up for flip tricks
I'd be curious to see someone weigh the exact same trucks but one is new and the other is super ground down
How silly would it be rocking a full 10.0 skate deck with 8.75 trucks. I really enjoy this board but 215s feel pretty massive when trying to lock in to grinds in the bowllocking in with trucks 1.25” narrower than the deck
locking in with trucks 1.25” narrower than the deckExpand QuoteHow silly would it be rocking a full 10.0 skate deck with 8.75 trucks. I really enjoy this board but 215s feel pretty massive when trying to lock in to grinds in the bowl[close]
would feel pretty shitty
especially on a board with no taper
9.5 axles might be your best bet for smaller trucks
How silly would it be rocking a full 10.0 skate deck with 8.75 trucks. I really enjoy this board but 215s feel pretty massive when trying to lock in to grinds in the bowl
How silly would it be rocking a full 10.0 skate deck with 8.75 trucks. I really enjoy this board but 215s feel pretty massive when trying to lock in to grinds in the bowl
My 159 cast hollow arrived today. Couldn't resist to put them on the scale. 379g/truck. My 159 standards with a little wear on them are around 395. I will totally feel the 16g less per truck....notWouldn’t they both have the same wheelbase since they are both on cast baseplates?
I'm still happy that I can have two setups with 159s now. One day I like short wheelbase on another day I like longer wheelbase.
Wouldn’t they both have the same wheelbase since they are both on cast baseplates?Expand QuoteMy 159 cast hollow arrived today. Couldn't resist to put them on the scale. 379g/truck. My 159 standards with a little wear on them are around 395. I will totally feel the 16g less per truck....not
I'm still happy that I can have two setups with 159s now. One day I like short wheelbase on another day I like longer wheelbase.[close]
...when in reality I can barely see the difference...
What I noticed about myself. Setups in my mind look way more drastic than in reality. For example the "picture" above. In my mind indy trucks I imagine my setup looks like this, when in reality I can barely see the difference in height between low trucks... the same goes for 8.25 trucks on 8.5, 54mm vs 58mm wheels .....
Anyone can relate to this?
\----------------/I can relate to that when it comes to wheelbase. Whenever I setup a board with a longer wheelbase than I prefer I expect it to affect my skating, but I barely notice it unless im doing flip tricks which I rarley do.
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What I noticed about myself. Setups in my mind look way more drastic than in reality. For example the "picture" above. In my mind indy trucks I imagine my setup looks like this, when in reality I can barely see the difference in height between low trucks... the same goes for 8.25 trucks on 8.5, 54mm vs 58mm wheels .....
Anyone can relate to this?
How silly would it be rocking a full 10.0 skate deck with 8.75 trucks. I really enjoy this board but 215s feel pretty massive when trying to lock in to grinds in the bowl
That makes sense!Expand QuoteWouldn’t they both have the same wheelbase since they are both on cast baseplates?Expand QuoteMy 159 cast hollow arrived today. Couldn't resist to put them on the scale. 379g/truck. My 159 standards with a little wear on them are around 395. I will totally feel the 16g less per truck....not
I'm still happy that I can have two setups with 159s now. One day I like short wheelbase on another day I like longer wheelbase.[close][close]
I have two decks right now I switch between from time to time.
One is a 8.6 steep kicks and 14.25 wheelbase. The other is 8.6 14.75 and more mellow kicks
So had a good sesh today but I am just dying to try Lurpiv. I feel like I can get the pros of Indy (the turn and height) minus some cons (heavy truck but pop is a bit anemic at times)Lurpivs do feel like an improvement to indy in a lot of ways and they preform similar. I wouldnt really say that aces feel like indys as much as lurpiv do. But I think Ill just always prefer the way independent looks and feels more classic
After today I think I’ll gladly trade turn for pinch
Gonna actually try to axle my Indy’s to justify buying new trucks
Lurpivs have worse pinch and KP clearance compared to Indy. They turn nothing alike and pop nothing alike. The only thing similar is the aesthetic vs some of the older hangers.what truck is most comparable to independent in your opinion?
what truck is most comparable to independent in your opinion?Expand QuoteLurpivs have worse pinch and KP clearance compared to Indy. They turn nothing alike and pop nothing alike. The only thing similar is the aesthetic vs some of the older hangers.[close]
Lurpivs have worse pinch and KP clearance compared to Indy. They turn nothing alike and pop nothing alike. The only thing similar is the aesthetic vs some of the older hangers.
Today I got reminded to not expect anything from changing gear. Tried my 159 cast hollows today. I had high expectations, but in reality I skate as good/bad as with the standards. Wearing in new bushings suck as well.
Big shout out to Mbrimson88 for suggesting the Antihero 8.62. The initial meh changed and I really like it now. Just needed a little bit time to adjust. Really like its longer tail compared to the creature 8.6
He never says anything about it, but I've noticed it a buncha times over the years, how Reynolds will have a white top bushing on one truck or maybe sometimes both trucks
I was messing around in the garage with my friend's board who likes tight trucks but doesn't like breaking in new bushings or having a bunch of kingpin sticking out, or the top bushing getting shredded, etc. so I've been trying to solve that for them
We were still getting more turn than we wanted with the black cylinder Indy bushings, so I put some bones hardcore "hard" tops on em and that might be the ticket as long as they don't blow out
But I think the mysterious white top bushings Reynolds uses are probably bones. They're a little taller and he usually has like one thread showing with them, but when I see him with cut-down kingpins it's usually just oranges top & bottom
I think once I get my hands on some stage 4 bushings, I can try a stage 4 bottom/stage 11 top, both black/94a, on a regular, un-cut kingpin.
Tomorrow I'm gonna set up a board with some hollow cast baseplates, that I already cut about 1/8" off the top of the kingpins... Haven't tried em yet. Bushings fit fine and I easily have enough room to start the nut spinning and everything. I'll try them with oranges for me and blacks for the homie and see what kinda results I'm getting
Still rocking with the 144 standards, probably going to continue to do so until they break and then get another set. Still trying to figure out my bushing situation. Right now running a full turn past nut flush with orange cylinders, which I guess is like two threads showing and the most kingpin I'm willing to have sticking out. I also like the black bushings too. The blue conicals were too wiggly for me after all
Also... Indy bushings used to be better 20 years ago. Softer to start, then settled in to a REAL mid-hardness for someone around 180 pounds.It's *definitely* not the soft ones or stage 4 ones on his setup, I've been noticing it for years before stage 4 even got re-released and he likes tight trucks and cutting his kingpins down
I wonder if the white top bushing is the white indy aftermarket 78. Or maybe it is the Stage 4 top bushing. Those are listed at 88 duro.
If you need to machine anything in the way of bushings, I just stack the bushings on a kingpin attached to a board, so the top bushing is just sitting up around the top of the kingpin and then use an angle grinder to gently machine it, as the bushing will spin and I can reshape anything in a fairly uniform way, make a cylinder bushing have a conical shape, take down the top a little, etc. Pretty easy and not a lot of know how or other tools required - just a little care and not going too crazy with anything.
I think I've settled on what my most consistent setup is 100%
8.25" x 14.25" wb BBS
Indy standard 149
Bones swiss
53mm spitfire F4 99a classics
I don't think I ever want to fuck with hollow standards or 8.5" decks anymore
I don't really feel the urge to mess with my bushings anymore either.
I think I've deleted all the madness with axle washers, bushings, truck models and sizes, bearings, decks. The hardest one to kill is wheel madness. Ive gotten it down to where I think I'm good though. A small range. Wheels wear down anyways and each individual size isn't that important. But something like a 3mm jump in size can change everything.
I'd be fine on 52s or 54s, and probably bigheads instead of classics, and not notice a difference, depending on what the shop has. I'd probably prefer bigheads if I have to get 52s though. I'm not against skating classic 99 formula either if I have to
I think I'll probably end up skating a lot of 54mm 93a classics though that's probably my favorite wheel right now.
Wheels are kinda like shoes cause they wear down quicker so I can always try something a little different here and there that isn't going to fuck up my skating. Bigheads, classics, classic fulls. 52, 53, 54mm. 93, 97, 99, 101a. Anything in that range should be totally fine
If the shop doesn't have 8.25 x 14.25wb I know I can always still fuck with a blue eagle or b16
But I'm unwilling to substitute standard indys for hollows anymore. It just changes like, the soul of the setup.
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As for shoes, with my wide ass foot
I'm pretty set on Jordan 1s. Classic style/matches my clothes well, has some skateboarding heritage, I can find them on sale at a buncha places, but most importantly they fit my foot and have a lot of lateral stability that I don't have in other shoes. Bonus is that they last, and have that lateral strap coming up for the bottom three laces in the exact spot I put the most wear on. Same spot my foot spills over the outsole on skinnier shoes. And they got hella good boardfeel and an airbag in the heel. I put FP kingfoam flat 5mm or 7mm insoles in.
(https://i.ibb.co/pj1VsK7f/Screenshot-20251103-170103-2.jpg)
Top: dunk
Bottom: aj1
I can get away with blazers and dunk SBs and stuff fine but they don't last me nearly as long in the heelflip/Ollie area. I'm gonna get some angelus leather paint so I can paint over the swoosh, or paint over a colorful shoe I got on sale or something. Like if it's the black blazers with the white swoosh, I can just paint over the swoosh black so it isn't like a big advertisement. I'm gonna try the white paint over the red swoosh on some AJ1 mids I'm currently skating.
I'll skate the Jordan 1s till they're pretty fucked up, then save em as chill/beater shoes to wear to shows and stuff
I'm interested in the reboot iPaths and the LRAB cupsoles though but I'll probably just stick to AJ1s
Trying to get my shit minimal style like a cartoon character or something always wearing the same shit
I think my bushing woes are due to me tightening the nut flush, since standard Indy's had like the nylon "just" engaged, so the kingpin sat maybe a mm below the top of the nut. That sounds about right, right?
It was a funny thing too, going back over different eras of stock bushings, which were also taller to start with, then lower tops on the Stage 11s, but still a more solid material, bright orange, often took a bit to break in and even then were a bit hit and miss. Then when things went completely to China, the bushings changed again, a more translucent looking orange, very much feeling softer, but broke in way better and firmed up nicely for the most part.
i skate the indy aftermarket orange conical bushings and for me, they solve any/every problem complained of in these bushing posts. ive skated them in every midwest temp from -8 to 98degrees F, and they turn the same on day 1 to the final resting days of that particular truck. ive used em on cast (reg and hollow) and on forged. also use them on Venture (without the bottom washer) and they make em turn as much as you can get a Venture to turn (without the flop of the loose kit). im even tempted to try em in T2s.
in conclusion— i like em, and you should too (or not or never)
I bought a set of Indy conical hard bushings and barrel hard bushings for my new trucks to try out, and the bottom conical bushing is taller than the barrel. I wanted to try the conical set out of curiosity, but I'd have to reef on the kingpin nut so much to keep it on that the board felt unridable.
I kinda figured they'd be the same dimensions but I guess not.
Currently I've got the hard barrel board side and stock orange road side and it feels pretty good for me at 210lbs. Stable but still gets deep carves without wheelbite unless I try.
Note how there's more of an angled-off, unthreaded area on the standard kingpins, vs. the hollows that are pretty square on the end and the threads go right up to the top
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Note how there's more of an angled-off, unthreaded area on the standard kingpins, vs. the hollows that are pretty square on the end and the threads go right up to the top[close]
@swongolianbbq , holy shit dude. I think you just solved a problem for me. I switched to cast awhile ago after years on forged hollows. Last few months I've been having problems with kingpin nut almost coming off during sessions. Yes, part of this absolutely was worn kingpin nut, but I also ride the nut flush. A little less thread up there (on cast plate) was prolly contributing to this. I salute.
Currently on my third month with:
- DLX 8.5 x 14.25
- Venture 5.6 cast
- Pepper grip (regripped once)
Always Bones Swiss, bolts gotta be Allen, wheels don't give me madness, Pepper grip is the best.
As of now, madness free.
If I'd change anything (for experimental fun rather than suffering from madness), I could try Indy cast 144s with the same deck.
But I kinda like the idea of this combo being a keeper for a long-ass time.
Solid setup though. I remember reading someone's theory about the 5.6s feeling more like an 8.5 truck from another brand because of the wheelbase and weight distribution or something
My brain is fucking fried when it comes to what board to get next, I have been adding and deleting shit from my carts online for like a week. I ONLY ( and I do mean this) skate curbs and Ollie’s. No flip in flip out shit. Pure unadulterated, minimalistic shit boarding for the dull minded. But I enjoy it of course. With that being said I run my gear into the ground, and I usually just skate creature and that has ran its course, any word on LIMO ? Maybe go heavy corpo with it and get a deathwish? Fuckin HOPPS??? Heroin?? I’m against egg shapes but at this point I am willing to do anything to get stoked on something. I’m running 149 Indy’s on a Milton 8.6 “stump” with some spitfire 54 mm full radials that are on their last fucking legs. Trying to completely revamp the entire kit yadig?Loved the Shit boarding part.
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.
I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.
I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition
Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.
I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.
I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition
Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.
I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.
I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition
Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.
Shoe shape/size *how puffy or slim* they are can make you want to size up/down decks or find ones with more or less concave. Chucks vs Accel OGs can make an 8.25 feel huge or tiny, regardless of your actual shoe size.
My personal rule of thumb is to pursue roughly proportionate gear specs with my set up.
If you're a US 6.5, don't feel forced to skate the "big dawg" sizes of 8.25+, skate whatever feels right! 8)
Self moment of realization which maybe can assist other folks too.. I was a longtime 8” truck rider up until 8.25” trucks came out. I was riding 8.25” boards at that time so I decided to update my trucks to match however I noticed that I was gradually losing my flip tricks which I chalked up to getting older and working too much overtime. This summer, I went back to 8” trucks and slowly got some of my old flip tricks back. Most importantly, I also learned that I can get away with holding longer grinds on the smaller trucks too
Everyone’s mileage varies but the gist of the above is that I learned that I can get away with smaller trucks for longer grinds but not wider trucks for non-straight 8 flip tricks. This might sound intuitive but my experience is that the shorter trucks really let some of my flip tricks happen
Your Wheelbase should be the same length as your tibia.
And
Your deck width should be the same width as a fully extended Shaka. (Thumb tip to pinky tip).
That's why I skate the Huffer.
Still working on what mystical measurements I should look to for truck and wheel size guidance. Suggestions appreciated.
Henry: But in the Latin alphabet, "Jehovah" begins with an "I."Expand QuoteYour Wheelbase should be the same length as your tibia.
And
Your deck width should be the same width as a fully extended Shaka. (Thumb tip to pinky tip).
That's why I skate the Huffer.
Still working on what mystical measurements I should look to for truck and wheel size guidance. Suggestions appreciated.[close]
Something about the truck triangle pyramid of leverage and the eye of god.
Loved the Shit boarding part.Expand QuoteMy brain is fucking fried when it comes to what board to get next, I have been adding and deleting shit from my carts online for like a week. I ONLY ( and I do mean this) skate curbs and Ollie’s. No flip in flip out shit. Pure unadulterated, minimalistic shit boarding for the dull minded. But I enjoy it of course. With that being said I run my gear into the ground, and I usually just skate creature and that has ran its course, any word on LIMO ? Maybe go heavy corpo with it and get a deathwish? Fuckin HOPPS??? Heroin?? I’m against egg shapes but at this point I am willing to do anything to get stoked on something. I’m running 149 Indy’s on a Milton 8.6 “stump” with some spitfire 54 mm full radials that are on their last fucking legs. Trying to completely revamp the entire kit yadig?[close]
Maybe give Black Label a shot? Sounds like something you might enjoy.
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.
I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.
I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition
Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.
I need help with board shapes
I love the baker b2 8.5 shape
It’s got steep concave and a large sqaure’ish nose.
Is there anything similar to that out there?
I can’t seem to skate anything but that
Doesn't Polar also have something? P2 shape if I remember correctly.Expand QuoteI need help with board shapes
I love the baker b2 8.5 shape
It’s got steep concave and a large sqaure’ish nose.
Is there anything similar to that out there?
I can’t seem to skate anything but that[close]
Hockey/FA have a similar shape as B2
AWS/Habitat also have/had a shape that's close to B2, but less concave
Strangelove looks pretty similar to B2 as well
Damn that last comment added an other layer to madness. Vulc shoes and cupsole shoes paired along wheelbase and or truck choice
Having a hard time finding the right components for the boards I’ve been buying.
Lately I’ve been buying local company boards that use HLC. The dimensions are 8.5 x 31.9/32” with 14.25 wheelbase. The trucks I have for that sized board are old Indy 149’s and some old Ventures 8.5 axels.
I was riding some vans old skool pros when I had the Indy’s on and it just felt too responsive maybe. The Ventures are solid, but was hoping for something a little more in between.
Thinkin of getting a board with a longer wb for the Indy’s or maybe riding the ventures with some riser to get a little more pop from the extra clearance.
Anyone have an idea of what I’m talking about?
Expand QuoteDamn that last comment added an other layer to madness. Vulc shoes and cupsole shoes paired along wheelbase and or truck choice[close]
Oh it’s a thing for me. I can’t have any kind of teched out cupsole on a surfy setup. It just doesn’t feel right.
I think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known forI like the pointed og concave bakers as well. I usually get the 8.475 but I’ve had the 8.5 as well.
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed
Anyways just set up my lurpivs and has anyone else who’s ridden them have the bushings feel super hard at first ?
I’m riding them stock, no kp adjustments, while I try to break in the bushings but I am definitely gonna have to loosen them a bit
I think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known forAfter 1H Lurpivs feel great
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed
Anyways just set up my lurpivs and has anyone else who’s ridden them have the bushings feel super hard at first ?
I’m riding them stock, no kp adjustments, while I try to break in the bushings but I am definitely gonna have to loosen them a bit
I think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known for
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed
Yes, 7” nose and 6.75” tail (by my measurements)Expand QuoteI think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known for
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed[close]
I think from a lot of other boards, as they get wider, they also get more rounded and sometimes more blunt in the kicks, with some more pointy wider boards just looking weird, or not quite working so well in the way that other not so wide boards work with more pointy kicks.
Either way, from those pics they don't look squared off, maybe more so "middle of the road" round, which is fairly normal. Are they 7.1 or so nose and 6.7 or so tail, as per those other measurements people had said online?
I haven't seen any in person, Baker being one of those brands that doesn't seem to get a lot of coverage here locally and bigger boards like that tend to sell out fairly quickly when they do get restocked, so I am curious about that shape.
* I guess my experience with some wider but more pointy boards might cloud my judgement, like the Baker Kader shape, 9 x 31.8, or some wide egg shaped boards with very small tails, but I know some people really like that shape.
Not sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.https://youtube.com/shorts/MDaCv5XkxrY
Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?
Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently?
@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?
https://youtube.com/shorts/MDaCv5XkxrYExpand QuoteNot sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.
Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?
Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently?
@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?[close]
After 1H Lurpivs feel greatExpand QuoteI think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known for
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed
Anyways just set up my lurpivs and has anyone else who’s ridden them have the bushings feel super hard at first ?
I’m riding them stock, no kp adjustments, while I try to break in the bushings but I am definitely gonna have to loosen them a bit[close]
Expand QuoteAfter 1H Lurpivs feel greatExpand QuoteI think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known for
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed
Anyways just set up my lurpivs and has anyone else who’s ridden them have the bushings feel super hard at first ?
I’m riding them stock, no kp adjustments, while I try to break in the bushings but I am definitely gonna have to loosen them a bit[close][close]
lurpiv stock bushings are like Indy black bushings hard. I find it interesting how many find them to be turny running them stock. they feel tight as hell, to me. ace mediums without bottom washers to keep the geometry, solves the problem and unlocks the trucks. or throw in some Indy stock bushings with normal washers. you will feel them come alive.
Not sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.
Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?
Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently?
@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?
Expand QuoteNot sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.
Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?
Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently?
@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?[close]
On my way...
Ok, so before getting into the main part, I have noted that inverted kingpins have two things going on, not only the little bit of side to side movement of the whole kingpin when it is not hard pressed into the baseplate, but also the baseplate hole for the kingpin can end up ovalling out and at worst case coming apart due to the kingpin moving so much if people are applying so much pressure, especially from heavy angled landings, eg crooks or feeble / smith grinds.
As to the kingpin loosening on its own, this is down to the nyloc on the nut either wearing out or not fully engaging the kingpin, which might seem strange, but I have seen people not tighten their inverted kingpin nut down far enough so the thing is basically finger tight, almost like having the nut only half on there.
From my own experiments, I have only had inverted kingpins move or come loose when the nyloc has been worn out, on some used inverted kingpin trucks that it seemed the previous owner swapped out bushings every other session. My own inverted kingpins on Indy, Thunder and some other brands have not moved at all in the whole time I have had them, but I am more the sort of person who will ride trucks from new, adjust as needed during the bushing break in period and barely touch the kingpin for the life of the truck, unless something happens and I need to put in new bushings, but again, then just a little adjusting and then left without constantly fiddling with the kingpin or kingpin nut.
Also I think it is important to note here that I have seen repeated hollow inverted kingpins of almost every brand break, so no matter what tech or whatever else is going on, if it is a hollow kingpin, some people are going to have issues with them, while others might never have any problems.
This includes Thunder, when they first came out with the hollow kingpin, then changed to the solid kingpin and I haven't seen any issues since. Other people have posted the new Ace hollow inverted kingpins in pieces, Slappy hollow inverted kingpins snapped, including the Ultra low versions, etc.
The Indy / Krux current solid versions are said to have a lifetime warranty against breakage, so although they don't have a lot of threads, I have machined them so that they can now fit in Thunder and other inverted kingpin trucks, which require more threads, or have a longer threaded shaft in the baseplate.
There is also a newer version of Indy that I have not seen, which is said to be better and sort out previous issues, but I will wait and see on that one.
For me, besides the Thunder hollow kingpin breaking, all the others, including my own DIY inverted kingpins have not come loose at all and my little bottle of Loctite is still sitting here unopened, which I bought to experiment with after seeing so many issues with inverted kingpins coming loose.
Maybe I am just not as hard on my gear as most people, or don't touch my inverted kingpins once they are set up, but I think overall inverted kingpins get a bit of a bad rep more so because people are always touching or changing things on their trucks, bushings, or skating harder than the product can hold up.
This was definitely the case with the Indy inverted truck assembly when it first came out, with a couple of people I know destroying theirs fairly quickly, whereas the set I had kept and used are still fine to this day.
* Ace has a lock in place kingpin, so a kingpin with three grooves down the shaft and a locking mechanism built into the baseplate, which by all accounts holds the kingpin nicely, but as they are hollow, they do break on some people, so there is that to bear in mind.
Disclaimer: This post is mainly a reminder to myself not to fuck up again.
The weather around here finally cleared up and I've had my first couple of somewhat regular sessions after what has been the shittiest 9 months of my life. Distance makes the heart grow fonder, as they say, and during my involuntary time off the board I was able to admit to myself that what I had convinced myself was madness was actually just consumerism. The simple truth is that I like to buy skate stuff, and in order to justify my purchases I felt compelled to try them all out. Which led to me skating worse because I was using different stuff all the time. Which then then led to buying more gear because the stuff I was using didn't work as well as I wanted it to. Which in turn led to me wasting whole sessions trying to get used to stuff I would replace immediately. Having to step away for a while gave me the distance necessary to realize how counterproductive all that was. Because guess what's waaaaaay more fun than buying skate stuff? Actually skating, well... not well, but somewhat competently. And the fucked up thing is that I knew all along what kind of gear I need to do just that.
8.5 Ishod twin or 8.5/ 8.75 Label (the 14.5 WB does it for me)
5.8 Ventures
54mm radial fulls
That's my home base. So much so that I don't need to sweat any more details. I or IV stamp? Don't really care. Shortened V8s or forged? I can make it all work equally well. 93, 97 or 99 duro? Just depends on the ground I'm skating.
I promised myself to stick to this type of gear for this whole year. I have no idea how often I'll be able to skate, and I'm determined not to waste any more precious sessions for no reason at all. Wish me luck, pals..
I’ve skated Ace AF1s, cast Ventures, OG Thunders, T-IIs, and Indy Stage 4s in the past two years.This is an easy one! Skate Slappys on bothe setups. :P
Stage 4s aren’t for me, and the other brands don’t make big enough trucks for my shaped setups. That pretty much leaves AF1 for my bigger boards.
My problem is that I can’t decide which trucks to have on my popsicles. I waste too much time adjusting foot placement to land some of my go-to tricks because I skate boards with different trucks. It would improve my life if I could stick to one kind of truck for popsicle decks. The problem is that all the trucks have their advantages, but I can’t decide which I like the most. Watching videos of Ben Degros and Dad Board didn’t help me choose.
I can rule out OG Thunders because I’ve gotten pitched on ledges from my wheels sticking on tailslides and am over it. That leaves AF1, T-II, and Venture. I skate everything, mostly at the park, but I don’t do gaps bigger than 5 ft height or length wise. It’s probably 30% ledges, 20% rails, 20% transition, 10% banks, :P10% gaps, 10% manual pads.
Please help me decide. I realized that I needed help after adding and removing the Andrew Allen hollows to the cart multiple times in the past few days. I just want to spend more time learning new tricks and getting better at skating the manual pads.
After I get this figured out, I can work on eliminating my madness with decks and truck size.
I’ve skated Ace AF1s, cast Ventures, OG Thunders, T-IIs, and Indy Stage 4s in the past two years.
Stage 4s aren’t for me, and the other brands don’t make big enough trucks for my shaped setups. That pretty much leaves AF1 for my bigger boards.
My problem is that I can’t decide which trucks to have on my popsicles. I waste too much time adjusting foot placement to land some of my go-to tricks because I skate boards with different trucks. It would improve my life if I could stick to one kind of truck for popsicle decks. The problem is that all the trucks have their advantages, but I can’t decide which I like the most. Watching videos of Ben Degros and Dad Board didn’t help me choose.
I can rule out OG Thunders because I’ve gotten pitched on ledges from my wheels sticking on tailslides and am over it. That leaves AF1, T-II, and Venture. I skate everything, mostly at the park, but I don’t do gaps bigger than 5 ft height or length wise. It’s probably 30% ledges, 20% rails, 20% transition, 10% banks, 10% gaps, 10% manual pads.
Please help me decide. I realized that I needed help after adding and removing the Andrew Allen hollows to the cart multiple times in the past few days. I just want to spend more time learning new tricks and getting better at skating the manual pads.
After I get this figured out, I can work on eliminating my madness with decks and truck size.
Forged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.
Expand QuoteForged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.[close]
Lolol I came off Indy’s because of the bozos, got the royal 149s on slappy 1mm risers and I’m loving them. Feel like a nut for letting something as minimal as 1mm be the thing that makes everything perfect but it’s it for me. Love em and turn as good as the Indy’s. Coming from the Indy forged as well too. Tried the thunders but they take too much work to make them work
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteForged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.[close]
Lolol I came off Indy’s because of the bozos, got the royal 149s on slappy 1mm risers and I’m loving them. Feel like a nut for letting something as minimal as 1mm be the thing that makes everything perfect but it’s it for me. Love em and turn as good as the Indy’s. Coming from the Indy forged as well too. Tried the thunders but they take too much work to make them work[close]
Indy is a hugely problematic brand. But they make a damn good truck.
Not to send anyone down any other Madness roads, but out of all the other tucks out there, if you want something that is really close to Indy, like as close as you can get without being Indy, then give Slappy Trucks a try.
Aces then Indy’s if you got em
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Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️
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Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️[close]
Interesting!
Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.
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Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️
(https://i.imgur.com/K40jOc1.jpeg)Expand QuoteInteresting!
Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.[close]
They look good but it's my first lock in wheels ever.
I'm coming from radial full 58mm and before that 54mm so these lock in look quite thin in comparison.
PS: These are some Durao's
Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/K40jOc1.jpeg)Expand QuoteInteresting!
Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.[close]
They look good but it's my first lock in wheels ever.
I'm coming from radial full 58mm and before that 54mm so these lock in look quite thin in comparison.
PS: These are some Durao's[close]
The 54 mm x 34 to 35 mm size is my sweet spot I think, so when I had the chance to get them, I didn't hesitate, but the funny thing is when I tried them on a few different things including a mini ramp, they "locked" too much for my liking so I turned them around and had a much better session on them facing inwards, with the Conical edge able to get on and off coping more in the way I was used to. That is nothing against the wheel shape, just how I am used to skating.
I guess like a few other asymmetric wheels, they have different uses from one side to the other, but I know some other people I skate with really like the lock in back on them for their street stuff, ledges, rails, etc. I have seen a good number of posts from people skating them both ways, so although there might be what is considered a "right way" to have them, at the end of the day, it is down to whatever works best for the individual.
Hopefully you get a good session in on them and see what you think too, but if they are weird feeling, you could turn them around too, just to see. Lock in = tablet one side, conical the other = more options.
* It still felt kind of weird having them facing in, but I guess that is the madness, as per this thread, but I have rounded off other worn down Lock Ins in the past, which skated better for the people I passed them on to at the time, so I might still have a go at these once I have skated them a bit more.
** Took a quick pic of that setup just now for reference (a bit out of focus, but you get the idea):
(https://i.ibb.co/WN4pqPB8/Spitfire-lockins-reversed.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DPHgs8wc)
Similar concept to the OJ Mini-combo shape. Flip it whichever way works best. Like the iconic Jason Lee photo with the freestyle wheels flipped in.
There's an 8.25 Jacuzzi complete with ventures at a store near me for $40
That'll be fun to mess around on and then give to a kid
I can check out ventures again in a "just for fun" setting lol
But you could get even deeper with thunder/Indy/ace/venture 😏Expand QuoteThere's an 8.25 Jacuzzi complete with ventures at a store near me for $40
That'll be fun to mess around on and then give to a kid
I can check out ventures again in a "just for fun" setting lol[close]
That’s how it begins and you know it
Venture is the only (worthwhile) truck I haven’t tried in years because I know they’ll just add to the madness. I know a lot of people swear by them but I’m already in too deep with thunder/indy/ace
Once you try Ventures, they'll be part of your life for good. You'll be noticing them in pro parts and Insta clips. When riding other trucks and struggling with a trick, you'll be occasionally thinking "how would Ventures perform here?" When struggling with wheelbite with other trucks, you'll be thinking of the stability of Ventures. When struggling with pop, you'll think "could I ollie higher with Ventures?".
Eventually you'll buy a Venture t-shirt.
Does anyone have any recommendation for light weight trucks that are 52mm hieight or so and for an 8 inch board? I'm normally an indy user but the indy mid's are too heavy but I love how they work when not popping the board.
Expand QuoteDoes anyone have any recommendation for light weight trucks that are 52mm hieight or so and for an 8 inch board? I'm normally an indy user but the indy mid's are too heavy but I love how they work when not popping the board.[close]
Ace AF hollow 33 will reduce the weight 40 gram per truck with similar turn.
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-af1-hollow-skateboard-truck-polished?variant=40769454997563
Does anyone have any recommendation for light weight trucks that are 52mm hieight or so and for an 8 inch board? I'm normally an indy user but the indy mid's are too heavy but I love how they work when not popping the board.
Expand QuoteDoes anyone have any recommendation for light weight trucks that are 52mm hieight or so and for an 8 inch board? I'm normally an indy user but the indy mid's are too heavy but I love how they work when not popping the board.[close]
Thunder makes some super light trucks
The 8.25" ones are ~51mm or 52-point-something tall depending on if you get forged or cast baseplates and line up nicely on an 8" board as long as you're not using super wide wheels
The 8" ones you could use a riser with to get it to 52-ish mm tall
Different thunder sizes have different heights and the 145 and 147 are lower than 148, 149, and 151, and the forged ones are lower than the cast ones
The more I say "thunder" the more I realize it's a funny-ass word
Maybe Venture v-hollows or forged titanium indys
Does anyone have any recommendation for light weight trucks that are 52mm hieight or so and for an 8 inch board? I'm normally an indy user but the indy mid's are too heavy but I love how they work when not popping the board.I haven't tried them but when I was comparing some options, Royals are 52 mm high and have Ultralight option that I think are the same height and generally around the same weight as comparable Thunders.
I haven't tried them but when I was comparing some options, Royals are 52 mm high and have Ultralight option that I think are the same height and generally around the same weight as comparable Thunders.Expand QuoteDoes anyone have any recommendation for light weight trucks that are 52mm hieight or so and for an 8 inch board? I'm normally an indy user but the indy mid's are too heavy but I love how they work when not popping the board.[close]
I cured the truck madness today. Showed up with two setups to the park as I have been the last several months since I can’t choose between ace and thunder. There was a little kid who was at the park, probably 7 or 8 years old with his uncle who was just watching him. The little kid was ripping (for his age) but I noticed his whole setup was like 20 years old. Massively fishtailed on both ends, chipped, with the remaining grip curled around the edges. Spraypainted and rusted out ventures. Crusty old wheels. Looked like it lived in an outdoor shed since 2005. So I approached his uncle and asked if he needed a new board and gave him my whole complete. No more madness. The kid was hyped and took to the board right away. He skated with my kid and got her hyped to try to learn ollies, she usually scoots. Just feels good all around. No more madness.
Expand QuoteI cured the truck madness today. Showed up with two setups to the park as I have been the last several months since I can’t choose between ace and thunder. There was a little kid who was at the park, probably 7 or 8 years old with his uncle who was just watching him. The little kid was ripping (for his age) but I noticed his whole setup was like 20 years old. Massively fishtailed on both ends, chipped, with the remaining grip curled around the edges. Spraypainted and rusted out ventures. Crusty old wheels. Looked like it lived in an outdoor shed since 2005. So I approached his uncle and asked if he needed a new board and gave him my whole complete. No more madness. The kid was hyped and took to the board right away. He skated with my kid and got her hyped to try to learn ollies, she usually scoots. Just feels good all around. No more madness.[close]
Which one did you keep o.O
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI cured the truck madness today. Showed up with two setups to the park as I have been the last several months since I can’t choose between ace and thunder. There was a little kid who was at the park, probably 7 or 8 years old with his uncle who was just watching him. The little kid was ripping (for his age) but I noticed his whole setup was like 20 years old. Massively fishtailed on both ends, chipped, with the remaining grip curled around the edges. Spraypainted and rusted out ventures. Crusty old wheels. Looked like it lived in an outdoor shed since 2005. So I approached his uncle and asked if he needed a new board and gave him my whole complete. No more madness. The kid was hyped and took to the board right away. He skated with my kid and got her hyped to try to learn ollies, she usually scoots. Just feels good all around. No more madness.[close]
Which one did you keep o.O[close]
I gave him the thunder setup. As much as I enjoyed them for their stability, I just don’t do as much tech skating anymore. I think that was my hang up to begin with, realizing that the older I get the more I just enjoy doing more basic shit and the feeling of swerving around, popping in and out. When I’d skate thunders I had this voice in the back of my head that said “you still got it, you’re not too old” and that would turn into me battling some shit on a ledge for an hour & a half getting frustrated.
Ended up switching to an 8" setup and have been skating that size for a month now, I can confidently say that ive found a size that proportionate to my size and stature.Slappys
Im def having some truck madness again, I was skating indy forged hollows but I switched to venture 5.2 hi a couple of days ago. I got so sick of how "twitchy" the indys felt when doing anything other than slappies. But I cant shake the feeling that a pleb like me shouldn't be using a tech skater truck.
Anyways thats where im at with my gear madness. Might try messing around with bushing setups next.
And we're backYou've been hyping up the 144 standards so much that I've swapped mine back on have been enjoying the hell out of them. Tried to be a venture + little wheel tech guy for a solid year but couldn't cut it so it's time to pass them on to someone who could use them. Undeniably skate better on Indys. Stock bushings and washers with riptide cups. These should last me a good year and some change and then it's 149 standards + big classics on the primary set up 4ever.
Cut down another set of bones bottom bushings into bones top bushings, this time with my hacksaw and it looks a lot cleaner and basically just like new top bushings
Sanded down the first ones I did the other day into a low version to use with my old trucks that have cut-down kingpins and it's great.
The madness things I'm thinking about now are
139 standards with like, 50, 51, or 52mm spitfire classics. Probably gonna do the extra axle washer on the inside trick. Still gonna just use whatever boards. Red ovals, blue ovals, blue eagles, true fits, BBS blanks, baker OGs, flights. 14.25 or less wb, 8" to 8.5" width.
My Indy 144s look just right with 53/54mm wheels, but they start to look super wide when I got 52s on em. Same with when I was running 53/54s on 149s, it made my trucks look massive. 55s, 56s, and 58s look really good on 149s in my eyes. Maybe with indys being so tall and just using spitfire classics affects the way I see it, or I've just completely lost my mind
And I'm gonna try bones bushings again but using both the top and bottom this time and a conical Indy bottom washer, instead of the combo I have been doing. I wanna see how that feels or how long that bottom bushing is actually gonna last. I might try it without a bottom washer as recommended but I hate the way it looks without regular silver cup washers top and bottom
So yeah
Indy 144 or 149 standard with spitfire 53 or 54mm classics is still madness home base if I get lost
I've already spent a lot of time in the last ten years with 159s, 169s, and 56, 58, and 60mm wheels, even trying conical and radial shapes, and a ton of different board shapes, so I think it makes sense that now I want to explore the other end with 139s and 50-52mm wheels, see what that baker 3 setup is all about again
You've been hyping up the 144 standards so much that I've swapped mine back on have been enjoying the hell out of them. Tried to be a venture + little wheel tech guy for a solid year but couldn't cut it so it's time to pass them on to someone who could use them. Undeniably skate better on Indys. Stock bushings and washers with riptide cups. These should last me a good year and some change and then it's 149 standards + big classics on the primary set up 4ever.
Agreed on the hollows I had a set but ended up selling them. I did like the 149 titaniums a few years ago. Liking the indys on the 8.25 easy rider I'm on with the 14" wheelbase. Nice and carvy but still long enough overall to stand comfortably on since I'm on the taller end of the spectrum. Not super picky on wheelbase, next deck in the stack is a 14.38 which should be fun too
Explain me why have this urge to set up a 8.75 complete... again. I already know from previous iteration that I cannot flip it to even the small extent I can flip my 8.25 setup.
Explain me why have this urge to set up a 8.75 complete... again. I already know from previous iteration that I cannot flip it to even the small extent I can flip my 8.25 setup.
Explain me why have this urge to set up a 8.75 complete... again. I already know from previous iteration that I cannot flip it to even the small extent I can flip my 8.25 setup.Because Slap.
Because Slap.Expand QuoteExplain me why have this urge to set up a 8.75 complete... again. I already know from previous iteration that I cannot flip it to even the small extent I can flip my 8.25 setup.[close]
And speaking of Madness:
I'm currently on Venture V8 after skating T2 for a bit which was proven not to be that fun. V8 seems even less fun lately so the "should I go back to Ace" thought popped in my head. Last time I skated them was like a year before and had like 3 sets in a row.
I have the Spanky ones at home so maybe I'll set them up once putting a new board.
Been sick for almost 3 weeks. While sitting at home, madness tried to creep in...
What do you think...
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Been sick for almost 3 weeks. While sitting at home, madness tried to creep in...
What do you think...[close]
Make no decisions about what the appropriate gear is in your bedroom/house and/or off the board. Only make them while actually skating. This helps prevent madness based on thinking, rather than doing.
Also, hope you feel better.
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Been sick for almost 3 weeks. While sitting at home, madness tried to creep in...
What do you think...[close]
Make no decisions about what the appropriate gear is in your bedroom/house and/or off the board. Only make them while actually skating. This helps prevent madness based on thinking, rather than doing.
Also, hope you feel better.
Exactly thatExpand QuoteBecause Slap.Expand QuoteExplain me why have this urge to set up a 8.75 complete... again. I already know from previous iteration that I cannot flip it to even the small extent I can flip my 8.25 setup.[close]
And speaking of Madness:
I'm currently on Venture V8 after skating T2 for a bit which was proven not to be that fun. V8 seems even less fun lately so the "should I go back to Ace" thought popped in my head. Last time I skated them was like a year before and had like 3 sets in a row.
I have the Spanky ones at home so maybe I'll set them up once putting a new board.[close]
When you say they weren’t very fun, do you mean you’re just not landing your tricks as consistently or they made the overall experience of riding your board not as fun?
Is there hope for a cure by identifying behavioral patterns and changing them?
Been sick for almost 3 weeks. While sitting at home, madness tried to creep in....
Currently riding the 8.62 Antihero with the 14.75 WB. I'm down to the last two plies on the tail, so I started to think about replacement.
Currently I have the following decks on ice:
Creature Stump 8.6 14.25 WB
Creature vx everslick 8.6 14.6wb
Zero 8.5 14.5 WB
Antihero 8.38 14.5wb
The vx everslick is heavy like a tombstone, the stump a little short but feels good under my feet, AH 8.38 too small for my 159s, Zero I hate its concave...
Right now I'm really into transition skating, working on ollies in Transition and think more wheelbase is benefical.
What do you think, get another Antihero / Dlx 8.62 or 8.75 , try to get used to a shorter wheelbase in Transition or fuck it and keep riding my razored 8.62 AH?
Been sick for almost 3 weeks. While sitting at home, madness tried to creep in....
Currently riding the 8.62 Antihero with the 14.75 WB. I'm down to the last two plies on the tail, so I started to think about replacement.
Currently I have the following decks on ice:
Creature Stump 8.6 14.25 WB
Creature vx everslick 8.6 14.6wb
Zero 8.5 14.5 WB
Antihero 8.38 14.5wb
The vx everslick is heavy like a tombstone, the stump a little short but feels good under my feet, AH 8.38 too small for my 159s, Zero I hate its concave...
Right now I'm really into transition skating, working on ollies in Transition and think more wheelbase is benefical.
What do you think, get another Antihero / Dlx 8.62 or 8.75 , try to get used to a shorter wheelbase in Transition or fuck it and keep riding my razored 8.62 AH?
Gear madness put me in an amazing place over the weekend.Kudos man
Rolled up to the park Friday afternoon for a quick session and there were 2 young kids skating, one had just been gifted an Anti Hero complete and the other was rolling on a cardboard press Walmart special.
Had enough "extra" in the truck to build him a complete from and old but ridden 4 times Mini-Logo some .sml Wheels and a set of trucks, off the top of my head do not remember the brand, I have a few to choose from, lol.
Long story short, we got 2 brothers riding around and legit set-ups and having the time of their life, a dad that was blown away by a stranger's generosity, and me happy all weekend long that I could make some sort of impact
Kudos manExpand QuoteGear madness put me in an amazing place over the weekend.
Rolled up to the park Friday afternoon for a quick session and there were 2 young kids skating, one had just been gifted an Anti Hero complete and the other was rolling on a cardboard press Walmart special.
Had enough "extra" in the truck to build him a complete from and old but ridden 4 times Mini-Logo some .sml Wheels and a set of trucks, off the top of my head do not remember the brand, I have a few to choose from, lol.
Long story short, we got 2 brothers riding around and legit set-ups and having the time of their life, a dad that was blown away by a stranger's generosity, and me happy all weekend long that I could make some sort of impact[close]
Expand QuoteKudos manExpand QuoteGear madness put me in an amazing place over the weekend.
Rolled up to the park Friday afternoon for a quick session and there were 2 young kids skating, one had just been gifted an Anti Hero complete and the other was rolling on a cardboard press Walmart special.
Had enough "extra" in the truck to build him a complete from and old but ridden 4 times Mini-Logo some .sml Wheels and a set of trucks, off the top of my head do not remember the brand, I have a few to choose from, lol.
Long story short, we got 2 brothers riding around and legit set-ups and having the time of their life, a dad that was blown away by a stranger's generosity, and me happy all weekend long that I could make some sort of impact[close][close]
Not to one up you but this is how I ended madness. Had a bunch of shit in my trunk and saw some kids out front of a school. Same situation: 5 year old rain warped random completes, wheels that barely turned, no name trucks, etc.
Left them with my Ben D inspired short WB "this is what I skated in 1998" setups and it was instant night and day. I've seen them since and they've probably put hundreds of hours into those boards.
lil update: Im pretty sure its because im already used to them but I switched back to my indys and all of the issues i was having after swapping to ventures went away. I also swapped to some 50mm spits that i had laying around, but I might just buy a fresh pair of 52s since the ones i have rn are worn down. Somewhat still annoyed about the twitchiness tho, I might try the bones top bushing thing swongolian is doing and hopefully that solves my issues.Just keep them and eventually the time for them will come.
Now what to do with the ventures...
lil update: Im pretty sure its because im already used to them but I switched back to my indys and all of the issues i was having after swapping to ventures went away. I also swapped to some 50mm spits that i had laying around, but I might just buy a fresh pair of 52s since the ones i have rn are worn down. Somewhat still annoyed about the twitchiness tho, I might try the bones top bushing thing swongolian is doing and hopefully that solves my issues.
Now what to do with the ventures...
Expand QuoteBeen sick for almost 3 weeks. While sitting at home, madness tried to creep in....
Currently riding the 8.62 Antihero with the 14.75 WB. I'm down to the last two plies on the tail, so I started to think about replacement.
Currently I have the following decks on ice:
Creature Stump 8.6 14.25 WB
Creature vx everslick 8.6 14.6wb
Zero 8.5 14.5 WB
Antihero 8.38 14.5wb
The vx everslick is heavy like a tombstone, the stump a little short but feels good under my feet, AH 8.38 too small for my 159s, Zero I hate its concave...
Right now I'm really into transition skating, working on ollies in Transition and think more wheelbase is benefical.
What do you think, get another Antihero / Dlx 8.62 or 8.75 , try to get used to a shorter wheelbase in Transition or fuck it and keep riding my razored 8.62 AH?[close]
The best thing I ever did was get rid of everything I had on ice. It puts you in these situations where you're obligated to ride stuff that's an impulse buy or tell yourself "this is all I can ride..."
You are already listing the cons of all these options without even riding them which is just going to bleed into your experience and likely end up in some sort of negative feelings. That or something feels better on your best day so you order more and then it ends up being average on par and you're perpetuating the back and forth. It's not COVID anymore, there's no gear shortage, and most of us don't "need" sale gear we wouldn't otherwise buy.
lil update: Im pretty sure its because im already used to them but I switched back to my indys and all of the issues i was having after swapping to ventures went away. I also swapped to some 50mm spits that i had laying around, but I might just buy a fresh pair of 52s since the ones i have rn are worn down. Somewhat still annoyed about the twitchiness tho, I might try the bones top bushing thing swongolian is doing and hopefully that solves my issues.
Now what to do with the ventures...
I think the personal vibe and day to day variance in it have much more significance than gear. Nowadays I just have way too much time to sit at home and think about trucks than before.
There are many cases in distant past where I ended up having a top session with mediocre gear - because the session happened organically unplanned and those shoes and complete were the only ones I had at hand. Adapted to what was doable with that combo and went for it. The right people, the right atmosphere, suddently gear does not matter that much any more.
Expand QuoteI think the personal vibe and day to day variance in it have much more significance than gear. Nowadays I just have way too much time to sit at home and think about trucks than before.
There are many cases in distant past where I ended up having a top session with mediocre gear - because the session happened organically unplanned and those shoes and complete were the only ones I had at hand. Adapted to what was doable with that combo and went for it. The right people, the right atmosphere, suddently gear does not matter that much any more.[close]
I wonder if there’s any correlation between mostly skating alone & gear madness. Seems like it.
Expand QuoteI think the personal vibe and day to day variance in it have much more significance than gear. Nowadays I just have way too much time to sit at home and think about trucks than before.
There are many cases in distant past where I ended up having a top session with mediocre gear - because the session happened organically unplanned and those shoes and complete were the only ones I had at hand. Adapted to what was doable with that combo and went for it. The right people, the right atmosphere, suddently gear does not matter that much any more.[close]
I wonder if there’s any correlation between mostly skating alone & gear madness. Seems like it.
Expand QuoteI think the personal vibe and day to day variance in it have much more significance than gear. Nowadays I just have way too much time to sit at home and think about trucks than before.
There are many cases in distant past where I ended up having a top session with mediocre gear - because the session happened organically unplanned and those shoes and complete were the only ones I had at hand. Adapted to what was doable with that combo and went for it. The right people, the right atmosphere, suddently gear does not matter that much any more.[close]
I wonder if there’s any correlation between mostly skating alone & gear madness. Seems like it.
I think my madness is less madness and more consumer therapy. I love skateboards and love buying skate gear but my pile is stupidly big (for me, no judging anyone else) at this point. I had to prematurely get get new tires for my car today so do I really need to try a DBX deck to satisfy my curiosity and make me feel good for an hour or two? No. No I do not.
Now if they release a DBX Huffer, I could be fucked....
I think my madness is less madness and more consumer therapy. I love skateboards and love buying skate gear but my pile is stupidly big (for me, no judging anyone else) at this point.
The other day I bought a new set of Thunders as my current trucks are likely going to hit axle in the next couple months. Weirdly enough with all the truck options out there, I didn’t think this one too hard as I just grabbed the solid IKPs in the same size (8”) that I’m currently using. Not sure if anyone relates but with all the new options out there that I can’t keep up with (Slappy, Ace, Tensor, Lurpiv) out there I feel like some part of my madness has been cured ha and I’ve just gone back to my baseline that works
Back to the madness though, I’m happy with my Bones STF V3s but I could jump ship to that X Formula if they ever make those in a slim..
I feel in skateboarding people want really hard to dislike certain products and brands like Indy and I wasn't psyched on them for a while so I sampled the field. All of the options were really fun, but just didn't end up being better overall. I've realized I like a more turn oriented truck so an Indy, AF1, or T2 over a Thunder T1 or Venture. I've always hated forged variants and while Royals were pretty damn nice for what they are I didn't feel those or Slappy were really distinct enough and the riding experience was kinda forgettable.
I wish I could send this board through time to my 18 year old self
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I wish I could send this board through time to my 18 year old self[close]
This!!!
I often wonder if I would have even really known the difference back then, or been able to skate better (or worse) on one of my very specific setups I have these days.
It was well over thirty years ago and I was skating random sub 8" boards mostly from the blank bin at the local shop or second hand team rider boards, lightly used team rider trucks from guys I know in the local area, whatever other stuff I could get my hands on at the time, etc.
Things might have been a lot more simple back then too, but any which way, not really knowing too much about gear might have been pretty good, considering how deep I am in now.
All that said, I know what works, what might work and what just doesn't feel so good, so I don't think I have it half as bad as some others I skate with too, who are very much still trying to find that ideal setup or are going crazy when their gear doesn't quite match their expectations.
Got a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it
Expand QuoteThe other day I bought a new set of Thunders as my current trucks are likely going to hit axle in the next couple months. Weirdly enough with all the truck options out there, I didn’t think this one too hard as I just grabbed the solid IKPs in the same size (8”) that I’m currently using. Not sure if anyone relates but with all the new options out there that I can’t keep up with (Slappy, Ace, Tensor, Lurpiv) out there I feel like some part of my madness has been cured ha and I’ve just gone back to my baseline that works
Back to the madness though, I’m happy with my Bones STF V3s but I could jump ship to that X Formula if they ever make those in a slim..[close]
Even if you could try all of those how do you think any of them will solve every possible problem you know? It's not possible and easier to default to what you're used to and have accepted the shortcomings of.
I feel in skateboarding people want really hard to dislike certain products and brands like Indy and I wasn't psyched on them for a while so I sampled the field. All of the options were really fun, but just didn't end up being better overall. I've realized I like a more turn oriented truck so an Indy, AF1, or T2 over a Thunder T1 or Venture. I've always hated forged variants and while Royals were pretty damn nice for what they are I didn't feel those or Slappy were really distinct enough and the riding experience was kinda forgettable.
Expand QuoteGot a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it[close]
And I should mention that no matter how "cured" I think I am
There's a worm that lives in my brain that wants venture lows
Historically the terrain has not been super smooth around me though, Montana, Michigan, Alaska...
And the venture worm wants smaller than 53s
Got a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it
Expand QuoteGot a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it[close]
And I should mention that no matter how "cured" I think I am
There's a worm that lives in my brain that wants venture lows
Historically the terrain has not been super smooth around me though, Montana, Michigan, Alaska...
And the venture worm wants smaller than 53s
What does it about the Venture Lows for you? I’m on those right now. I don’t hate but I don’t love them.
Got a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.I settled on an 8.25” with 148 T-II, and 56mm Radials, but am still deciding on grip and bearings. It’s between Pepper XG and Galaxy G5. For bearings, I’m still trying to decide between Swiss 6, Quantum Isotopes, and SKF, but I’m also considering buying SKF ceramics.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it
Got a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it
It’s between Pepper XG and Galaxy G5. For bearings, I’m still trying to decide between Swiss 6, Quantum Isotopes, and SKF, but I’m also considering buying SKF ceramics.
Expand QuoteGot a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it[close]
Probably will. I’m partial to 53s, but the classic shape is definitely the best all around wheel(imo).
Just skated for like 4 and a half hours. Setup feels good, but I decided to remove the bones top bushing bcuz it was causing my kingpin nuts to back out. So im back to the stock indy bushings for the top and bottom with 2 threads showing.
Other than that im confident that ive finally have my setup sorted out. But ive been getting these thoughts to make a 90's style setup with an egg and tiny wheels. Idk why, im a zoomer and have never lived through that era. lol.
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Probably will. I’m partial to 53s, but the classic shape is definitely the best all around wheel(imo).[close]
I feel exactly the same way
I'm keeping it 53 or 54 classics fo lifeeee
(https://i.imgur.com/5b8FLIX.jpeg)Expand QuoteGot a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it[close]
FINISH HIM
I settled on an 8.25” with 148 T-II, and 56mm Radials, but am still deciding on grip and bearings. It’s between Pepper XG and Galaxy G5. For bearings, I’m still trying to decide between Swiss 6, Quantum Isotopes, and SKF, but I’m also considering buying SKF ceramics.Expand QuoteGot a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it[close]
The madness is going to come back when I wear down the Radials and can’t get another set, but I’ll worry about it then. My flatground has gotten noticeably better since switching from Radial Full. I wonder why they have regular Radials in 93 every drop while there is only one or two releases of the 99 per year.
Madness costs a lot of money. I sold a bunch of decks and trucks at a fraction of what I paid for and gave away the rest. Even though I pissed away hundreds of dollars, I’m just glad that I won’t be taking three popsicle setups with me every time I go skate to try to figure out what I like best.
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Since I'm switching to classics 54mm I thought it was a good idea to show them setup side by side with radial full 54mm
(https://i.imgur.com/coh6VFz.jpeg)
Since I'm switching to classics 54mm I thought it was a good idea to show them setup side by side with radial full 54mm
Wowza
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Since I'm switching to classics 54mm I thought it was a good idea to show them setup side by side with radial full 54mm
Skating today after work, I'll keep you posted.Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/coh6VFz.jpeg)
Since I'm switching to classics 54mm I thought it was a good idea to show them setup side by side with radial full 54mm[close]
Interested in hearing your thoughts on flip tricks after switching. I know what I noticed going in between classics and coni fulls.
Pretty sure you’ll notice the same.
(https://i.imgur.com/5b8FLIX.jpeg)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot a heavy madness episode which it finally got reduced only to wheels.
Everything else is perfectly sorted out.
I have the feeling that some 54mm classics will end it[close]
FINISH HIM[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/oLqFmPX.gif)
Overall everything feels better and more natural. I struggled to land the first kickflip tho but that's probably I had the genius idea to skate a 14.5 WB board. Also board being 31.65 probably didn't help either.Skating today after work, I'll keep you posted.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/coh6VFz.jpeg)
Since I'm switching to classics 54mm I thought it was a good idea to show them setup side by side with radial full 54mm[close]
Interested in hearing your thoughts on flip tricks after switching. I know what I noticed going in between classics and coni fulls.
Pretty sure you’ll notice the same.[close]
I feel if you need a convoluted bushing setup to make a truck work it's not your truck. Maybe swap in harder ones designed for the truck or something but some of the insane tweaking is essentially to change the way the truck fundamentally behaves.
What I've been doing with indys has been working good
Stock bottom bushings, or like on my friends board, black 94a Indy bushings, with a bones hardcore 96a top bushing, keeping all the stock Indy washers
If I had to set some up for supa tight it'd be yellow 96a bottom bushing, bones 96a top.
Still trippin that according to comments on indys Instagram, Jaeb runs 96a bottom bushings and 78a roadside
If I recall correctly, the thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy and the top bushings are lower... Putting a bones top in, nut flush on thunders would feel more like if 1-2 threads were showing with the stock bushings cause the bones ones are a lil taller. Finding a barrel bushing that matches the height of the thunder bushings would be good for stability
Idk, I'm insane but the bones hard top bushings pretty much quelled all bushing madness, I can start skating down stuff immediately with no issues if I add the bones tops. I don't use the bottom ones at all
Expand QuoteWhat I've been doing with indys has been working good
Stock bottom bushings, or like on my friends board, black 94a Indy bushings, with a bones hardcore 96a top bushing, keeping all the stock Indy washers
If I had to set some up for supa tight it'd be yellow 96a bottom bushing, bones 96a top.
Still trippin that according to comments on indys Instagram, Jaeb runs 96a bottom bushings and 78a roadside
If I recall correctly, the thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy and the top bushings are lower... Putting a bones top in, nut flush on thunders would feel more like if 1-2 threads were showing with the stock bushings cause the bones ones are a lil taller. Finding a barrel bushing that matches the height of the thunder bushings would be good for stability
Idk, I'm insane but the bones hard top bushings pretty much quelled all bushing madness, I can start skating down stuff immediately with no issues if I add the bones tops. I don't use the bottom ones at all[close]
My current setup, I think, is a slappy 95 bottom and a Mini Logo 94 top.
Have not had enouff time to evaluate it yet.
I have tried all the Thunder bushing up to 100, I am real uncomfortable with the "twitch" I was getting as I bent to do a trick.
My main 2 desires are stability when I crouch, and a strong snap to center.
I am trying to set up looser and looser as time goes by, but my ankle strength and center of gravity are not what they used to be
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat I've been doing with indys has been working good
Stock bottom bushings, or like on my friends board, black 94a Indy bushings, with a bones hardcore 96a top bushing, keeping all the stock Indy washers
If I had to set some up for supa tight it'd be yellow 96a bottom bushing, bones 96a top.
Still trippin that according to comments on indys Instagram, Jaeb runs 96a bottom bushings and 78a roadside
If I recall correctly, the thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy and the top bushings are lower... Putting a bones top in, nut flush on thunders would feel more like if 1-2 threads were showing with the stock bushings cause the bones ones are a lil taller. Finding a barrel bushing that matches the height of the thunder bushings would be good for stability
Idk, I'm insane but the bones hard top bushings pretty much quelled all bushing madness, I can start skating down stuff immediately with no issues if I add the bones tops. I don't use the bottom ones at all[close]
My current setup, I think, is a slappy 95 bottom and a Mini Logo 94 top.
Have not had enouff time to evaluate it yet.
I have tried all the Thunder bushing up to 100, I am real uncomfortable with the "twitch" I was getting as I bent to do a trick.
My main 2 desires are stability when I crouch, and a strong snap to center.
I am trying to set up looser and looser as time goes by, but my ankle strength and center of gravity are not what they used to be[close]
In my opinion nothing has a better return to center than the bones hards. I just don't run the bottom bushings cause I don't like the look, they blow out, and they can change the geometry of the truck
For stability on center a barrel bushing will definitely work better than the conical thunder ones
This might be a dumb question, but when you guys talk about bushings do you mean bottom when the board is flipped upside down or bottom when the board is wheels down?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat I've been doing with indys has been working good
Stock bottom bushings, or like on my friends board, black 94a Indy bushings, with a bones hardcore 96a top bushing, keeping all the stock Indy washers
If I had to set some up for supa tight it'd be yellow 96a bottom bushing, bones 96a top.
Still trippin that according to comments on indys Instagram, Jaeb runs 96a bottom bushings and 78a roadside
If I recall correctly, the thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy and the top bushings are lower... Putting a bones top in, nut flush on thunders would feel more like if 1-2 threads were showing with the stock bushings cause the bones ones are a lil taller. Finding a barrel bushing that matches the height of the thunder bushings would be good for stability
Idk, I'm insane but the bones hard top bushings pretty much quelled all bushing madness, I can start skating down stuff immediately with no issues if I add the bones tops. I don't use the bottom ones at all[close]
My current setup, I think, is a slappy 95 bottom and a Mini Logo 94 top.
Have not had enouff time to evaluate it yet.
I have tried all the Thunder bushing up to 100, I am real uncomfortable with the "twitch" I was getting as I bent to do a trick.
My main 2 desires are stability when I crouch, and a strong snap to center.
I am trying to set up looser and looser as time goes by, but my ankle strength and center of gravity are not what they used to be[close]
In my opinion nothing has a better return to center than the bones hards. I just don't run the bottom bushings cause I don't like the look, they blow out, and they can change the geometry of the truck
For stability on center a barrel bushing will definitely work better than the conical thunder ones[close]
This has been my experience. I will get some Hardcore next time I am at the local, with the hardness options, Hard seems like the best fit for me
Expand QuoteThis might be a dumb question, but when you guys talk about bushings do you mean bottom when the board is flipped upside down or bottom when the board is wheels down?[close]
For me Bottom=Boardside
Top = Roadside
My friend gave me some old Bones Hardcore bushings and it would be nice for wheelbite, but I also like being able to turn a lot and the easier to hold pinch I get with looser trucks. Would it make more sense to go with soft bottom hard top or hard bottom soft top (for less wheelbite but still a loose turn)?
Expand QuoteMy friend gave me some old Bones Hardcore bushings and it would be nice for wheelbite, but I also like being able to turn a lot and the easier to hold pinch I get with looser trucks. Would it make more sense to go with soft bottom hard top or hard bottom soft top (for less wheelbite but still a loose turn)?[close]
The general consensus is softer bottom/boardside, harder top/roadside
Kinda like aces stock bushings (86a bottom, 91a top)
When you're standing on your board, all the pressure is going into your bottom bushing and pivot cup. A barrel/cylinder bushing will be more supportive here and a conical will be more twitchy/responsive
The top bushing being harder can help with stability on center and returning to center quicker
Looser or lower trucks are always gonna be easier to pinch, and harder bushings are gonna take away from that a bit
Look at Foys setup, 54mm wheels on thunders(52mm high truck) with stock bushings. Absolute pinch machine
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy friend gave me some old Bones Hardcore bushings and it would be nice for wheelbite, but I also like being able to turn a lot and the easier to hold pinch I get with looser trucks. Would it make more sense to go with soft bottom hard top or hard bottom soft top (for less wheelbite but still a loose turn)?[close]
The general consensus is softer bottom/boardside, harder top/roadside
Kinda like aces stock bushings (86a bottom, 91a top)
When you're standing on your board, all the pressure is going into your bottom bushing and pivot cup. A barrel/cylinder bushing will be more supportive here and a conical will be more twitchy/responsive
The top bushing being harder can help with stability on center and returning to center quicker
Looser or lower trucks are always gonna be easier to pinch, and harder bushings are gonna take away from that a bit
Look at Foys setup, 54mm wheels on thunders(52mm high truck) with stock bushings. Absolute pinch machine[close]
I have always thought it was the other way around, hard bottom (board side) and softer top (roadside)
This might be a dumb question, but when you guys talk about bushings do you mean bottom when the board is flipped upside down or bottom when the board is wheels down?
Expand QuoteThis might be a dumb question, but when you guys talk about bushings do you mean bottom when the board is flipped upside down or bottom when the board is wheels down?[close]
I wouldn't say it is a dumb question, as a good number of people have this mixed up over the years, some very specifically claiming the reverse, but when truck brands discuss the top conical bushing and the bottom cylinder bushing, it is very easy to understand.
As others have said, also as per something like this diagram, which I just found online when I was looking, it makes it easier to see and avoids confusion:
https://cms.skateboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/kcdc-truck-anatomy-1.webp
(https://cms.skateboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/kcdc-truck-anatomy-1.webp)
@Mbrimson88 - amazing answer to this question!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy friend gave me some old Bones Hardcore bushings and it would be nice for wheelbite, but I also like being able to turn a lot and the easier to hold pinch I get with looser trucks. Would it make more sense to go with soft bottom hard top or hard bottom soft top (for less wheelbite but still a loose turn)?[close]
The general consensus is softer bottom/boardside, harder top/roadside
Kinda like aces stock bushings (86a bottom, 91a top)
When you're standing on your board, all the pressure is going into your bottom bushing and pivot cup. A barrel/cylinder bushing will be more supportive here and a conical will be more twitchy/responsive
The top bushing being harder can help with stability on center and returning to center quicker
Looser or lower trucks are always gonna be easier to pinch, and harder bushings are gonna take away from that a bit
Look at Foys setup, 54mm wheels on thunders(52mm high truck) with stock bushings. Absolute pinch machine[close]
I have always thought it was the other way around, hard bottom (board side) and softer top (roadside)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis might be a dumb question, but when you guys talk about bushings do you mean bottom when the board is flipped upside down or bottom when the board is wheels down?[close]
I wouldn't say it is a dumb question, as a good number of people have this mixed up over the years, some very specifically claiming the reverse, but when truck brands discuss the top conical bushing and the bottom cylinder bushing, it is very easy to understand.
As others have said, also as per something like this diagram, which I just found online when I was looking, it makes it easier to see and avoids confusion:
https://cms.skateboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/kcdc-truck-anatomy-1.webp
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@Mbrimson88 - amazing answer to this question![close]Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy friend gave me some old Bones Hardcore bushings and it would be nice for wheelbite, but I also like being able to turn a lot and the easier to hold pinch I get with looser trucks. Would it make more sense to go with soft bottom hard top or hard bottom soft top (for less wheelbite but still a loose turn)?[close]
The general consensus is softer bottom/boardside, harder top/roadside
Kinda like aces stock bushings (86a bottom, 91a top)
When you're standing on your board, all the pressure is going into your bottom bushing and pivot cup. A barrel/cylinder bushing will be more supportive here and a conical will be more twitchy/responsive
The top bushing being harder can help with stability on center and returning to center quicker
Looser or lower trucks are always gonna be easier to pinch, and harder bushings are gonna take away from that a bit
Look at Foys setup, 54mm wheels on thunders(52mm high truck) with stock bushings. Absolute pinch machine[close]
I have always thought it was the other way around, hard bottom (board side) and softer top (roadside)[close]
@Obijuan91
You have no idea the rabbit hole I went down last night! LOL
I have a lot of things to test and try now!
Overall everything feels better and more natural. I struggled to land the first kickflip tho but that's probably I had the genius idea to skate a 14.5 WB board. Also board being 31.65 probably didn't help either.Expand QuoteSkating today after work, I'll keep you posted.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/coh6VFz.jpeg)
Since I'm switching to classics 54mm I thought it was a good idea to show them setup side by side with radial full 54mm[close]
Interested in hearing your thoughts on flip tricks after switching. I know what I noticed going in between classics and coni fulls.
Pretty sure you’ll notice the same.[close][close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis might be a dumb question, but when you guys talk about bushings do you mean bottom when the board is flipped upside down or bottom when the board is wheels down?[close]
I wouldn't say it is a dumb question, as a good number of people have this mixed up over the years, some very specifically claiming the reverse, but when truck brands discuss the top conical bushing and the bottom cylinder bushing, it is very easy to understand.
As others have said, also as per something like this diagram, which I just found online when I was looking, it makes it easier to see and avoids confusion:
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@Mbrimson88 - amazing answer to this question![close]Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy friend gave me some old Bones Hardcore bushings and it would be nice for wheelbite, but I also like being able to turn a lot and the easier to hold pinch I get with looser trucks. Would it make more sense to go with soft bottom hard top or hard bottom soft top (for less wheelbite but still a loose turn)?[close]
The general consensus is softer bottom/boardside, harder top/roadside
Kinda like aces stock bushings (86a bottom, 91a top)
When you're standing on your board, all the pressure is going into your bottom bushing and pivot cup. A barrel/cylinder bushing will be more supportive here and a conical will be more twitchy/responsive
The top bushing being harder can help with stability on center and returning to center quicker
Looser or lower trucks are always gonna be easier to pinch, and harder bushings are gonna take away from that a bit
Look at Foys setup, 54mm wheels on thunders(52mm high truck) with stock bushings. Absolute pinch machine[close]
I have always thought it was the other way around, hard bottom (board side) and softer top (roadside)[close]
@Obijuan91
You have no idea the rabbit hole I went down last night! LOL
I have a lot of things to test and try now![close]
I mean literally almost anything’s possible once your deep enough in the rabbit hole long as you have the right combination lol. It’s all geometry at the end of the day
I don’t need Classic Fulls, I’m happy with my radials.Stay strong brother.
I don’t need Classic Fulls, I’m happy with my radials.
I don’t need Classic Fulls, I’m happy with my radials.
:o
Plus I know I’m gonna get comfortable on any truck and be able to do the same tricks if I just stay on them longer than a couple of months, so why not pick the ones that feel the most fun to just ride around on?
Idk why ya’ll got in my head and I’ve been switching everything up haha
First it was the wheels, goin from 48mm to 58mm rf
Then i started paying attention to wheelbase and shapes
Went down a quarter inch to 14.25
Almost put the V8s on but thankfully got too lazy n never tried it
My buddy had some 8.25 thunders he was fighting madness not to put on n sum dude left a Mike Carroll Hello Kitty board w bronze hardware at the park so i put it together with my 58s just curious to see how bad the wheelbite would be and just how I would skate thunders in general.
When i was a grom i skated thunders for like my first 4 years (after my Bam Destructos ofc) so i was curious how they would feel. I also randomly started liking how ugly n generic they look haha reminds me of a tech deck
But I’ve been skating really good with this set up, granted while the dimensions are the same the Girl board seems more of an old school shape with mellow kicks n a older popsicle shape idk i’m not well versed on this shit tbh
But I haven’t even had a real session on this set up yet (been sick or super tired or sore or all the above) and i feel like everything has been the same between set ups? My ollies do feel alot better though… which has translated to grinds better
Skated my cruiser for a couple weeks while I was hurt and honestly with 8.75 truck,deck n super juices i could still kick flip and heelflip pretty good with consistency and even hit some tres, same on the homies 9.25 cruiser
Idk overall it seems all more or less like the same shit and like someone else on here said if foos were doing this shit in the early 90s late 80s with them big ass fish tailed boards we’ll be alright with whatever
In the same breath, while i worry about some of ya’ll mentally it’s been fun trying random shit and other folks set ups (sorry Bob George, if that’s hard to read) and discovering I can make due with whatever; ya’ll did help me branch out and try new things and put together a couple set ups that i really like and enjoy more than my old trusty one so thanks ya’lll I appreciate alot of the information and insights I’ve came thru on here and I wish ya’ll the best and hope your next session fun as hell
Pretty much madness free for ~75 daysThis was quite a journey to read. It reminds me of when my weed dealer used to tell me that he didn't have addiction problems while he cleaned one of his many bongs and had just gotten done with his elaborate "pre blunt smoking, but need to be baseline high for life" morning ritual.
Woop woop
There were a lot of thoughts
But I just don't seem to care as much anymore
I did try 139s one day a while back so I guess it's not consecutively "sober"
Was fun but I liked 144s better
If my bones hard top bushings end up blowing out(they haven't yet) I'll just put some yellow indy top bushings
But so far so good. No dice with the mediums. Those started to blow out the first couple days
The main shit that made the biggest difference was swapping just the top bushing for a bones one on new trucks for an instantly broken in and snappy feel, and switching back to standards from hollows. Never again w/ the hollows and I'm 37
In other news I used to thrift a lot and hoard clothes of all different kinds and sizes
Been slowly pecking away at it over the years
Tried a capsule wardrobe in 2018-2019
Lately I've just been wearing vintage stuff and Carhartt and dickies
Cut dickies out
So now it's just Carhartt stuff and my collection of souvenir/destination stuff from places I've been
And of course homemade/cottage ultralight bullshit for backpacking, Patagonia for ice climbing, skiing, rock climbing, and filson for when I wanna be old school as fuck. The UL backpacking gear stays in the garage with that stuff, and my hockey skates/rock shoes/ice boots/ski boots/etc. just sold my old Melanzana from 2017 for over $200. Hilarious. I just bring polartec alpha hoodie anymore
I only get filson or Patagonia stuff if it's not cotton or goose down. So just like, nylon, polyester, acrylic, wool, waxed canvas.
The Carhartt area is where I can have fun with it, switch up my gear crisis situation and get the clip type shit, have the right outfit for how I feel that day. Collecting vintage t shirts for the memories of the places I've been, and the fun prints/embroidery
And two Uniqlo outfits, one formal/FBI agent looking shit and the other more like some like, khakis and loafers type shit. Only those two outfits for that shit. Fuck.
So where I'm at now is like
Carhartt
Patagonia
Filson
And if I have to do some fancy bullshit, I'm not buying some brooks brothers or something so I got the airsense wool-like navy Uniqlo suit. Shit was cheap. I need to take in the sleeves 1" on the suit jacket. But it's cool that you can tell them your inseam and they'll do that for you. So like 50 bucks for some dress pants, in a weird size: 31"x28.5" -
the short wheelbase of pants
I shall never skate a 14” wb again. Too small
Also sub 32” added to the small feeling
Not enough nose and tail
Could hardly get off the ground
Expand QuoteIdk why ya’ll got in my head and I’ve been switching everything up haha
First it was the wheels, goin from 48mm to 58mm rf
Then i started paying attention to wheelbase and shapes
Went down a quarter inch to 14.25
Almost put the V8s on but thankfully got too lazy n never tried it
My buddy had some 8.25 thunders he was fighting madness not to put on n sum dude left a Mike Carroll Hello Kitty board w bronze hardware at the park so i put it together with my 58s just curious to see how bad the wheelbite would be and just how I would skate thunders in general.
When i was a grom i skated thunders for like my first 4 years (after my Bam Destructos ofc) so i was curious how they would feel. I also randomly started liking how ugly n generic they look haha reminds me of a tech deck
But I’ve been skating really good with this set up, granted while the dimensions are the same the Girl board seems more of an old school shape with mellow kicks n a older popsicle shape idk i’m not well versed on this shit tbh
But I haven’t even had a real session on this set up yet (been sick or super tired or sore or all the above) and i feel like everything has been the same between set ups? My ollies do feel alot better though… which has translated to grinds better
Skated my cruiser for a couple weeks while I was hurt and honestly with 8.75 truck,deck n super juices i could still kick flip and heelflip pretty good with consistency and even hit some tres, same on the homies 9.25 cruiser
Idk overall it seems all more or less like the same shit and like someone else on here said if foos were doing this shit in the early 90s late 80s with them big ass fish tailed boards we’ll be alright with whatever
In the same breath, while i worry about some of ya’ll mentally it’s been fun trying random shit and other folks set ups (sorry Bob George, if that’s hard to read) and discovering I can make due with whatever; ya’ll did help me branch out and try new things and put together a couple set ups that i really like and enjoy more than my old trusty one so thanks ya’lll I appreciate alot of the information and insights I’ve came thru on here and I wish ya’ll the best and hope your next session fun as hell[close]
It starts like this. You see someone changing their setup all the time and don’t understand wtf they’re doing. You try it because you’re not like that & just want to see what would happen. Hey, it kinda works! But in your head you can still ride whatever, it’s no big deal. Then one night you’re laying in bed and a thought strikes you “what if I put those ventures on that one board? Just to see how it skates” and then a month later you’re 26 YouTube videos deep after missing a few tricks at the skatepark and it has to be the wheelbase on this deck, you could shorten it with Indy’s. NHS has a sale. But the thunders really do make your pop a little better, they just lack that turn, maybe slappies could do both? You don’t have any IKP trucks anyways, may as well order some. You deserve it, you have the money now that you didn’t as a kid. Just order both and maybe start a quiver. It’s not madness, it’s just figuring out what works. Until….
I shall never skate a 14” wb again. Too small
Also sub 32” added to the small feeling
Not enough nose and tail
Could hardly get off the ground
I shall never skate a 14” wb again. Too small
Also sub 32” added to the small feeling
Not enough nose and tail
Could hardly get off the ground
Let's see about T2s when they release the inverted kingpin version with apparently the same tech as Ace. Before that I don't care to even consider them even if the kingpin clearance in them as apparently pretty good. I haven't had decks that I've felt are too steep for me, on the contrary. I think Aces benefit from steep and short kicks. I went to longer wb boards after breaking my leg on a mini ramp with a 14" wb board before I even really knew that this was a specification that varied in decks. Definitely felt cramped on that board. Aces I got after breaking my leg also to help me control my board easier because I didn't have the strength anymore to muscle Indys with Bones hards to make them turn the way I liked. After that I tried everything else at some point and always came back to Aces with stock bushings with nut approximately flush.Oh, I misread the part where you said, “Unfortunately I discovered that the one I got is some steep mold” and took that out of the context where you were saying you wanted more like that, not that it was unfortunate that it was steep. Regardless, T-II will work in a similar way to AF1 with the nice turn and shorter wheelbase but are more stable on center and don’t wheelbite as much and have better pinch and are lighter. So in many ways, the same as AF1 but better. I personally skate AF1 currently but would easily be just as happy on my T-II if they were the right size for my deck.
From 808s to barefoot shoes. No thanks. That's the most extreme jump you could make. I see their point in certain applications but overall I don't really think I will get much benefit from them.
The weights I posted for the trucks & baseplates was with all the standard bushings, washers and nuts.
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Historically being injured has been something that has flared up the madness. It’s easy to buy stuff you don’t need when you’re injured. Trying to stay stoked on skating when you can’t skate.
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I think I might have this settled now, but we will see, might depend on what the Doc says about my mencusis tear.
Decks 8.38 x 31.75 +/-, 14 WB
T2/AF1
54mm X99 wheels
Mini Logo Med / Bones HC stack
Fireball Buit bearings
This is the basis of my set-ups, and I seem to skate well on them
I do want to thank @swongolianbbq for the bushing advice!
Expand QuoteI think I might have this settled now, but we will see, might depend on what the Doc says about my mencusis tear.
Decks 8.38 x 31.75 +/-, 14 WB
T2/AF1
54mm X99 wheels
Mini Logo Med / Bones HC stack
Fireball Buit bearings
This is the basis of my set-ups, and I seem to skate well on them
I do want to thank @swongolianbbq for the bushing advice![close]
what deck has that?
Would there be any point in setting up a 8.5” with 14.25” wheelbase with Ace hard bushings to get my tech game dialed? I’d like to learn new tricks and get the old ones back.
I am 43, size 10 shoe, 180lbs, 6’1”, proportionally sized upper/lower body.
I usually ride 8.5-8.75” with 14.625-14.75” wheelbases with Ace AF1s with stock bushings. Shorter feels cramped for me with slappies, transition & general skating. However I rarely skate flat. I don’t have any flip tricks. They seem like a chore with the long decks.
Would there be any point in setting up a 8.5” with 14.25” wheelbase with Ace hard bushings to get my tech game dialed? I’d like to learn new tricks and get the old ones back.
I am 43, size 10 shoe, 180lbs, 6’1”, proportionally sized upper/lower body.
I usually ride 8.5-8.75” with 14.625-14.75” wheelbases with Ace AF1s with stock bushings. Shorter feels cramped for me with slappies, transition & general skating. However I rarely skate flat. I don’t have any flip tricks. They seem like a chore with the long decks.
Would there be any point in setting up a 8.5” with 14.25” wheelbase with Ace hard bushings to get my tech game dialed? I’d like to learn new tricks and get the old ones back.
I am 43, size 10 shoe, 180lbs, 6’1”, proportionally sized upper/lower body.
Food for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???
Expand QuoteFood for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???[close]
...if the trucks have the same effect on wheelbase, and the trucks plus wheels weight the same ;D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFood for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???[close]
...if the trucks have the same effect on wheelbase, and the trucks plus wheels weight the same ;D[close]
Hmmmm
Mentally debating if it’s worth doing risers
Or if better off with a bigger with with all them benefits of running things over easier and keeping speed plus added pop. Downside would be wheelbite tho…. Hmmmmm
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFood for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???[close]
...if the trucks have the same effect on wheelbase, and the trucks plus wheels weight the same ;D[close]
Hmmmm
Mentally debating if it’s worth doing risers
Or if better off with a bigger with with all them benefits of running things over easier and keeping speed plus added pop. Downside would be wheelbite tho…. Hmmmmm[close]
One of the things I would often say to people asking about risers is that I can always make a low truck taller but I can't make a tall truck lower.
I can never make my 55 mm tall Indy standards lower, but at least I can ride bigger wheels and have less worry there, so that has been my go to for the most part for as long as Stage XI has been out, usually on 56 mm wheels from new, although in more recent times I have been riding smaller wheels and smaller obstacles, not skating half as much bowl or bigger ramp anymore. The forged baseplate option is good if anyone does want lower with the same hanger and everything else though.
For Thunder 52 mm and Venture 53 mm (or lower on forged baseplates), I can very easily add whatever under the truck as needed, usually options of 1 or 2 mm risers cut from rubber sheeting, even just bike tubes cut up, which can then make the best height adjustment for me, cause going for 1/8" which is 3 mm is often too much. A single mm can make such a difference, but all it takes is a little adjusting and seeing what can feel good for each setup. Those setups usually have between 50 and 54 mm wheels, which all works fairly well for a lower truck on what could be called a slightly more "tech" type setup.
I have also found that cutting wheel wells is an easier go to rather than adding more height to a truck, whereas before I could easily put in 1/4" risers for 60 mm wheels on cruisers or bigger boards.
Keeping most setups a little lower has meant things just feel better so I can easily understand why some people say they will never use risers at all, but I think I operate best on trucks with between 54 and 55 mm in height, front wheel wells and a little more turny front truck, for an all rounder.
Going up 2 mm in wheel size will give you 1 mm more height overall, as the axle height is at the wheel center, so it is going to always be 1 mm above the axle, which does not add to the height and 1 mm below, which does add to the height of a setup, if that makes sense.
Anyway, it is usually no problem to try risers and see what works best, sometimes even just making your own from whatever you have around, but some shops will have pretty much every size, not just the basic 1/8", or 1/4" height.
I find too that I can get 1 mm under my Shortys 7/8" bolts with low nuts without any problems, or 2 mm rubber sheet under any 1" bolts as well. Some 1/8" risers and thicker baseplates make even normal 1" bolts hard to get done up nicely without pulling the bolt head too far into the deck.
Ok kids, I need some gear help.
With DLX decks, I normally ride an “IV” stamp, Indy Forged Hollows (53.5mm tall), and 53mm wheels.
I just ended up with a “I” stamped deck, and I really do not like steep(er) kicks. In the past I’ve either just dealt with it, or on a few occasions, I’ve even tried the “park-the-car-on-it” thing, with less-than-ideal results (flatter, mushed-out kicks, yet now disproportionate concave across the middle).
What I have never done before, is try to mitigate the effect/feel of steeper kicks with equipment changes (e.g. truck wheelbase/height and wheel size). So, out of more curiosity than anything else, I am going to try with this deck.
My thoughts are to (a) make the board lower than I normally ride, (b) shorten the truck wheelbase, or (c) some combination of both.
A lower board will get a quicker snap (e.g. less ghost pop). Shorter truck wheelbase will decrease the pop-angle when the kicks hit (e.g. basic physics of a lever and fulcrum), thus also getting a "flatter," quicker snap.*
I ride my trucks tad more toward the tighter side (blue 92a Indy bushings), so I was thinking forged-plate Thunders and smaller wheels (lower) before going to Ace (shorter wheelbase).
Has anyone else had an experience fucking around with their set-up in this manner? Advice? @Mbrimson88 I feel like you would have a lot of knowledge in this area.
*What I actually hate the most about steeper kicks how my feet feel more “locked-in” to the deck, and I know changing-up trucks/wheels will have ZERO impact on that.
Ok kids, I need some gear help.
With DLX decks, I normally ride an “IV” stamp, Indy Forged Hollows (53.5mm tall), and 53mm wheels.
I just ended up with a “I” stamped deck, and I really do not like steep(er) kicks. In the past I’ve either just dealt with it, or on a few occasions, I’ve even tried the “park-the-car-on-it” thing, with less-than-ideal results (flatter, mushed-out kicks, yet now disproportionate concave across the middle).
What I have never done before, is try to mitigate the effect/feel of steeper kicks with equipment changes (e.g. truck wheelbase/height and wheel size). So, out of more curiosity than anything else, I am going to try with this deck.
My thoughts are to (a) make the board lower than I normally ride, (b) shorten the truck wheelbase, or (c) some combination of both.
A lower board will get a quicker snap (e.g. less ghost pop). Shorter truck wheelbase will decrease the pop-angle when the kicks hit (e.g. basic physics of a lever and fulcrum), thus also getting a "flatter," quicker snap.*
I ride my trucks tad more toward the tighter side (blue 92a Indy bushings), so I was thinking forged-plate Thunders and smaller wheels (lower) before going to Ace (shorter wheelbase).
Has anyone else had an experience fucking around with their set-up in this manner? Advice? @Mbrimson88 I feel like you would have a lot of knowledge in this area.
*What I actually hate the most about steeper kicks how my feet feel more “locked-in” to the deck, and I know changing-up trucks/wheels will have ZERO impact on that.
Expand QuoteOk kids, I need some gear help.
With DLX decks, I normally ride an “IV” stamp, Indy Forged Hollows (53.5mm tall), and 53mm wheels.
I just ended up with a “I” stamped deck, and I really do not like steep(er) kicks. In the past I’ve either just dealt with it, or on a few occasions, I’ve even tried the “park-the-car-on-it” thing, with less-than-ideal results (flatter, mushed-out kicks, yet now disproportionate concave across the middle).
What I have never done before, is try to mitigate the effect/feel of steeper kicks with equipment changes (e.g. truck wheelbase/height and wheel size). So, out of more curiosity than anything else, I am going to try with this deck.
My thoughts are to (a) make the board lower than I normally ride, (b) shorten the truck wheelbase, or (c) some combination of both.
A lower board will get a quicker snap (e.g. less ghost pop). Shorter truck wheelbase will decrease the pop-angle when the kicks hit (e.g. basic physics of a lever and fulcrum), thus also getting a "flatter," quicker snap.*
I ride my trucks tad more toward the tighter side (blue 92a Indy bushings), so I was thinking forged-plate Thunders and smaller wheels (lower) before going to Ace (shorter wheelbase).
Has anyone else had an experience fucking around with their set-up in this manner? Advice? @Mbrimson88 I feel like you would have a lot of knowledge in this area.
*What I actually hate the most about steeper kicks how my feet feel more “locked-in” to the deck, and I know changing-up trucks/wheels will have ZERO impact on that.[close]
Is it the usual 8.25 with 14.38 wb or something else?
Yes as Obijuan91 said, the I stamp are often pretty difficult to get my head (and feet) around too, so if it is not still new in shrink or able to be returned or swapped for anything else, this is what I have done:
1. Tried not to mess with the deck itself but had shorter wheelbase trucks on it, which has helped with a couple of boards in the past, but one was just too steep no matter what. Even tried my DIY "V8" or other drilled in Indy / Ventures and although they lightened the pop considerably, it was still too steep of an angle for my liking. Ace will do this too, as will Thunder T-II trucks, both of which take a bit to get used to coming from regular Indy, but both work really well on any board that feels a bit too long in the wheelbase or is a bit too steep from the start.
2. If nothing else has worked in trying different trucks or bringing the wheelbase in, then I go to the old flatten the board option. One thing I have noticed is there is a significant difference in end result when I have driven only on to the ends of the kicks before the bolts area, not over the whole board to try to flatten out the kicks, which did work way better than parking on it or driving over it pausing on the bolts area, which caused the whole board to feel "flexed out" more often than not, or made a new board feel like an old board that was ready to swap out.
3. Then with regards to the grip on the deck, specifically the middle rails between the bolts, took the edges back a bit more than I usually would which made the side to side concave feel way less steep and evened out the whole board nicely. I have done this with a file, a rasp and even with a grinder, maybe the grinder being the best as it was on a very worn down disc and maybe just took the deck down a bit too without cutting into the wood so much as it just took the upper outside edge off which made the board feel way more mellow across it.
4. If nothing else works, put it away or list it for sale somewhere to pass on to someone, anyone, who likes steeper boards, because there are people out there who will only ride a I stamp and good for them, but I had one guy who I found like that and was able to swap a few boards with every now and then, so we both benefited from the deal - he got the steeper boards and I got the mellow boards. Sometimes that might be easier said than done, but you never know if you never ask / offer.
* I could probably make a half dozen posts about all that, with multiple pics and a wall of text for each, but I have been trying to NOT go too over the top with everything, even though it has been raining for half a week here, so I have had a bit more time to do things online than I might have otherwise had in the last few days.
Yeah, the standard 8.25/14.38.
I had ruled T-2 out as an option because (a) I had them before, did not like them, and (b) they are taller than Ace, and I want to be going down in height, not up.
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Yeah, the standard 8.25/14.38.
I had ruled T-2 out as an option because (a) I had them before, did not like them, and (b) they are taller than Ace, and I want to be going down in height, not up.[close]
I get it, but I did not find that lower equals better.
Eg I didn't suggest any Thunder option because the wheelbase is pushed out, even on a lower truck, it still makes it harder to skate, compared to Indy on a more mellow board.
Some people do like that feeling, low and heavy pop, which I can understand, which can work in some situations, but the main thing was bringing in the wheelbase, more than anything else.
If you did already have some Thunders on hand, I guess it wouldn't be so hard to even just put them on the board and stand on it and see. I have done that with a number of boards, even without grip, just lightly doing up the bolts, I can still feel if the board is going to work or not.
Have you had Ace before? I don't recall, but Ace are very similar to T-II trucks in that they bring the wheelbase in and they turn a whole lot more than any other truck.
Funny thing is lining up axles, Ace and T-II are so very close in axle height as well as position, at least on the sets I have in both Classic and AF1 trucks. That is regardless of what any spec sheets say about measurements.
* I haven't seen or skated any Ace low trucks, but if you did want a very low tech setup, that could work, now I think about it.
A riser has a different impact on pop angle than a bigger wheel. Imagine the point in time the tail hits the ground. Since the board rotates around the axle, the riser tilts while the wheel doesnt.Expand QuoteFood for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???[close]
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Yeah, the standard 8.25/14.38.
I had ruled T-2 out as an option because (a) I had them before, did not like them, and (b) they are taller than Ace, and I want to be going down in height, not up.[close]
I get it, but I did not find that lower equals better.
Eg I didn't suggest any Thunder option because the wheelbase is pushed out, even on a lower truck, it still makes it harder to skate, compared to Indy on a more mellow board.
Some people do like that feeling, low and heavy pop, which I can understand, which can work in some situations, but the main thing was bringing in the wheelbase, more than anything else.
If you did already have some Thunders on hand, I guess it wouldn't be so hard to even just put them on the board and stand on it and see. I have done that with a number of boards, even without grip, just lightly doing up the bolts, I can still feel if the board is going to work or not.
Have you had Ace before? I don't recall, but Ace are very similar to T-II trucks in that they bring the wheelbase in and they turn a whole lot more than any other truck.
Funny thing is lining up axles, Ace and T-II are so very close in axle height as well as position, at least on the sets I have in both Classic and AF1 trucks. That is regardless of what any spec sheets say about measurements.
* I haven't seen or skated any Ace low trucks, but if you did want a very low tech setup, that could work, now I think about it.[close]
I have a set of Team thunders kicking around that I never use (because they are Thunders). I am going to set this thing up with my Indys....skate it for a bit, and then throw the Thunders and some other 53mm Spits I have that are worn down a bit. If that seems to be any improvement, then I'll consider going even lower with forged thunder plates.
If not, I'll start looking for Ace (or maybe, maybe T-2). Ive had Ace before...quite awhile ago, was not a fan. With Ace (or T-2), I'm certainly going to be adding some harder bushing.
This thing isn't even my main set-up anymore these days, so I'm not stressing it too hard, which is nice. This is more like a causal back-burner experiment.
Food for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???A riser has a different impact on pop angle than a bigger wheel. Imagine the point in time the tail hits the ground. Since the board rotates around the axle, the riser tilts while the wheel doesnt.
A riser has a different impact on pop angle than a bigger wheel. Imagine the point in time the tail hits the ground. Since the board rotates around the axle, the riser tilts while the wheel doesnt.Expand QuoteFood for thought. 55mm tall trucks on 52’mm wheels is the same as 52’mm mid trucks on 56 mm wheels for pop feel ???[close]
Bigger wheel increases the pop angle more, while a riser makes your effective tail longer and therefore has less pop angle increase. Hope you get what I mean.
Instead of changing out any of those components have you considered using a pair of shoes...
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Yeah, the standard 8.25/14.38.
I had ruled T-2 out as an option because (a) I had them before, did not like them, and (b) they are taller than Ace, and I want to be going down in height, not up.[close]
I get it, but I did not find that lower equals better.
Eg I didn't suggest any Thunder option because the wheelbase is pushed out, even on a lower truck, it still makes it harder to skate, compared to Indy on a more mellow board.
Some people do like that feeling, low and heavy pop, which I can understand, which can work in some situations, but the main thing was bringing in the wheelbase, more than anything else.
If you did already have some Thunders on hand, I guess it wouldn't be so hard to even just put them on the board and stand on it and see. I have done that with a number of boards, even without grip, just lightly doing up the bolts, I can still feel if the board is going to work or not.
Have you had Ace before? I don't recall, but Ace are very similar to T-II trucks in that they bring the wheelbase in and they turn a whole lot more than any other truck.
Funny thing is lining up axles, Ace and T-II are so very close in axle height as well as position, at least on the sets I have in both Classic and AF1 trucks. That is regardless of what any spec sheets say about measurements.
* I haven't seen or skated any Ace low trucks, but if you did want a very low tech setup, that could work, now I think about it.[close]
I have a set of Team thunders kicking around that I never use (because they are Thunders). I am going to set this thing up with my Indys....skate it for a bit, and then throw the Thunders and some other 53mm Spits I have that are worn down a bit. If that seems to be any improvement, then I'll consider going even lower with forged thunder plates.
If not, I'll start looking for Ace (or maybe, maybe T-2). Ive had Ace before...quite awhile ago, was not a fan. With Ace (or T-2), I'm certainly going to be adding some harder bushing.
This thing isn't even my main set-up anymore these days, so I'm not stressing it too hard, which is nice. This is more like a causal back-burner experiment.
I have a set of Team thunders kicking around that I never use (because they are Thunders). I am going to set this thing up with my Indys....skate it for a bit, and then throw the Thunders and some other 53mm Spits I have that are worn down a bit. If that seems to be any improvement, then I'll consider going even lower with forged thunder plates.
If not, I'll start looking for Ace (or maybe, maybe T-2). Ive had Ace before...quite awhile ago, was not a fan. With Ace (or T-2), I'm certainly going to be adding some harder bushing.
This thing isn't even my main set-up anymore these days, so I'm not stressing it too hard, which is nice. This is more like a causal back-burner experiment.
Both these boards still felt too steep with any and every truck combination on it...
Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails...
(it's basically the opposite of an "easy rider" lol!).
Personally, i don't mind a steep-ish tail, as I can find a way to adjust my technique to pop and it will mellow out in time anyways.
Steep noses (FA or I stamp DLX decks, among others) are often annoying for me because Nollie/Switch takes more effort than Reg/Fakie pop tricks
My ideal (in DLX numerals) would probably be a II tail and a III-IV nose for kick steepness on most BBS 8.5/8.38 deck shapes out there
If you have steeper kicks do you want smaller wheels or bigger wheels to make it feel more "normal"?
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Both these boards still felt too steep with any and every truck combination on it...
Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails...[close]
I feel like years ago I may have tried different trucks/wheels to mitigate steep kicks...and failed, and have since forgotten about it. Some how I just feel like I've done this before. If it had worked, I wouldn't still be stressing about steeps kicks to this day, but I am, so...
Something in my gut says the same thing as you, "Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails."
As to the car thing, I have absolutely gotten the kicks to feel more IV-ish before. But as I mentioned above, the problem I then have is "IV" kicks and "I" center concave, and that feels super weird to me (it's basically the opposite of an "easy rider" lol!).
But like I said, the 8.25 isn't even my main ride anymore, so this project is more of my own curiosity into "what impact does different gear make (on steep kicks)" than anything else.
I've also since ruled out Ace unless I can could find an absurd sale---didn't quite realize just how much those trucks cost, and I'm not willing to drop that kind of $$$ for a roll-of-the dice, weird side-show of mine.
Off to the park shortly, and my first experiment with all this. Will report back later.
It's funny to think that these days 53 is small and 52 is for tech lords only. I remember getting 52's growing up and being pissed that my shit was too big.
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Right? I was looking for 53s at the local skate shop last summer and some kid was like 53?! That's sooo small!!
I pretty much put it like this, for proportions. Obviously you can use whatever on whatever but I like the way these combos look and feel
Using spitfire classics as the reference
~7.625" trucks - 48/50mm wheels
~8" trucks - 51/52mm wheels
~8.375" trucks - 53/54mm wheels
~8.75" trucks - 55/56mm wheels
~9.125" trucks - 58/60mm wheels
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Both these boards still felt too steep with any and every truck combination on it...
Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails...[close]
I feel like years ago I may have tried different trucks/wheels to mitigate steep kicks...and failed, and have since forgotten about it. Some how I just feel like I've done this before. If it had worked, I wouldn't still be stressing about steeps kicks to this day, but I am, so...
Something in my gut says the same thing as you, "Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails."
As to the car thing, I have absolutely gotten the kicks to feel more IV-ish before. But as I mentioned above, the problem I then have is "IV" kicks and "I" center concave, and that feels super weird to me (it's basically the opposite of an "easy rider" lol!).
But like I said, the 8.25 isn't even my main ride anymore, so this project is more of my own curiosity into "what impact does different gear make (on steep kicks)" than anything else.
I've also since ruled out Ace unless I can could find an absurd sale---didn't quite realize just how much those trucks cost, and I'm not willing to drop that kind of $$$ for a roll-of-the dice, weird side-show of mine.
Off to the park shortly, and my first experiment with all this. Will report back later.
Why not just used Forged Indy?
I think its case by case.
Im 6ft5 size 13 feet, 200 pounds. Skate mostly ledges, flat, flatbars, curbs. Very little transition.
8.25-8.5, 14.25-14.5, ideally not under 32 but a little bit is fine. Currently on Thunders, but have skated all the big four over the years. Ventures the most by a considerable margin, then indys and thunders, then aces.
Going bigger than 8.5 just makes it feel like I'm standing on a boat, and going longer than 14.5 makes me not want to flip my board at all. Personally I feel that unless you're doing something really gnarly, you really don't need that much board, at a certain point more skateboard starts becoming more of a hinderance rather than a benefit
Why not just used Forged Indy?
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The Toyota Corolla of skate trucks. Idk why I sleep on them.
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The Toyota Corolla of skate trucks. Idk why I sleep on them.[close]
I've finally come around to forged 149s
Though I love the feel of standards the most, especially riding on rough ground and grinding chunkier stuff
But the height/width/weight/wheelbase ratio on forged hollow indy 149s is pretty great
I just recently slapped on XXX after a long while.
Once again, I was reminded of the fact that they are not for me. I just can't get the required XXX out of them.
I should give away all my XXX apart from YYY in order to not make the same mistake again and again for the umpteenth time.
Homo sapiens, a slow learner.
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Both these boards still felt too steep with any and every truck combination on it...
Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails...[close]
I feel like years ago I may have tried different trucks/wheels to mitigate steep kicks...and failed, and have since forgotten about it. Some how I just feel like I've done this before. If it had worked, I wouldn't still be stressing about steeps kicks to this day, but I am, so...
Something in my gut says the same thing as you, "Any which way, I can't ride steep kicks / steep tails."
As to the car thing, I have absolutely gotten the kicks to feel more IV-ish before. But as I mentioned above, the problem I then have is "IV" kicks and "I" center concave, and that feels super weird to me (it's basically the opposite of an "easy rider" lol!).
But like I said, the 8.25 isn't even my main ride anymore, so this project is more of my own curiosity into "what impact does different gear make (on steep kicks)" than anything else.
I've also since ruled out Ace unless I can could find an absurd sale---didn't quite realize just how much those trucks cost, and I'm not willing to drop that kind of $$$ for a roll-of-the dice, weird side-show of mine.
Off to the park shortly, and my first experiment with all this. Will report back later.[close]
Following-up on this...
I def liked the (Team/cast) Thunders on it more than my Indys (because it was lower). That said, I couldn't imagine dropping further down to the height of forged-plate Thunders.
It also occurred to me that mIndys might be an option, too? They are lower and with a shorter WB than Thunders, but not as squirrel as Ace? Those seem to be on sale everywhere (because they suck). Maybe I'll grab a set at some point.
In the short term, it seems like Thunders will make this thing a bit more manageable. No ideal. But manageable.
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The Toyota Corolla of skate trucks. Idk why I sleep on them.[close]
I've finally come around to forged 149s
Though I love the feel of standards the most, especially riding on rough ground and grinding chunkier stuff
But the height/width/weight/wheelbase ratio on forged hollow indy 149s is pretty great
anyone else think hollow kingpins drag worse on grinds?
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That's what I normally skate / ones I already mentioned.
I just recently slapped on 144 forged Indys after a long while.
Once again, I was reminded of the fact that they are not for me. I just can't get the required oomph out of them.
I should give away all my trucks apart from Ventures in order to not make the same mistake again and again for the umpteenth time.
Homo sapiens, a slow learner.
I never liked forged 144s, they felt too light/flipped too fast
Once I got in better condition and started skating bigger and fast this year after the winter, I felt like the cast standard 144s were kinda tall and still flipped a little too fast
I wonder if can replace the kingpins for solid ones on the forged Indy plates
Or if I should pick up some forged inverted plates
I bet I would hate that though, not being able to see exactly how tight they are hahah. Or having to do any kinda extra work to get the truck right. Fuk dat.
A forged Indy standard would be clutch
I'ma just go for it, the kingpins are a little grabby at first
Prolly gonna just use these forged hollow 149s all summer, they feel good
I used to just wallie right up the middle of this granite boulder in front of the bar I worked at in Yellowstone park
That would break in the hollow kingpins real quick! Get em super nice
I gotta go find a rock to wallie on these before I try to smith the metal skatepark ledge
i like solid axles with forged baseplates.
thunder 149s, just regular teams, are nice.
i am skating solid axle forged baseplate 148s lately. as close to a madness free truck, for me. sorta work with whatever board and whatever wheels.
my mad thoughts still go almost exactly like this: ‘oh shit that dylan jaeb shape looks weird as fuck. i hate indy’s. i’d probably hate that….’
and now i want it.
or ‘oh shit, griffin posted with ventures on his board….hes beast tho, shit would never work for me….’
and then just bargaining with myself.
so dumb.
Some good discussion going here.
Standard vs. Hollow kingpins: Yeah, this one is actually the only real madness thorn-in-my-side these days. I’ve basically skated only Indy Forged Hollows since they came out.* Somewhere along the line, I became aware of the difference between standard and hollow kingpins on grinds. I noticed it the most when skating min ramps. Sometimes my board would just dead-stop on a given grind. I also started noticing these really weird gouges on/in the coping. I realized the two were related, and it was the kingpin (usually have about .5 to 1 thread showing). I had tried skating cast plates several times, but I really hated the (always) added height of cast vs. the (occasional) kingpin catch of forged.
About 6-9 months ago, for some reason I decided to give standard Indys a try again. I really liked the way they just plowed through grinds (added weight, I assume). It was like once the boat got moving, it wasn’t stopping, and its trajectory was set. Also, none of this twitchy, flapping in the breeze stuff if my ollie, kickflip, pop-shuv, etc. isn't absolutely perfect. Hell, even the ones that are perfect fee very precarious to me…as if board could just drift away at moments notice. Standards/cast just felt so much more there. I also noticed that ledges started to seem a bit lower to me with standard/cast. Not sure if this was because my board was taller (making my feet a tad closer to the top of a ledge), or because of added pop because of increased pop angle, but it seemed real.
The trade off, of course, is height and weight. With standards, I was certainly getting more ghost pop at times, and my board seemed really clunky for other things. I’ve now been back on forged hollows for a while, with a 1mm riser (which I am sure is more of a mental factor than an actual one). But I am missing that there feeling, and the plow-through grinds, of Standards. I might try them again soon.
A forged plate with standard kingpin would be sweet.
I also tried the cast inverted kingpin plates for a while. They sounded very different to me, and once the self-loosening started to kick-in, I was just like, “I am not dealing with this.”
*I’ve said this many times before, but I think Indy Forged Hollows are hands-down the best all-around / all-purpose truck ever made. Why? Because they are right in the middle of the road on everything. Turn better than Venture/Thunder, but not as squirrel as Ace. Pinch better than Ace, but not as good as Thunder. Not as tall as cast Indys, not as low as Thunders/Ace. Not the lightest truck, not the heaviest. Wheelbase and kingpin clearance is right in the middle, too. They may not excel in one specific area (e.g. Thunders with pinch), but they work great in every single area. No other truck comes close to that, at least to me. Oh, and, best after-market bushing options--FAR better than any other mfg.
The list of pros is massive and the cons is small and much less significant. I've tried the same forged and riser combo and it's just not the same. After a month back on standards I completely forgot about the weight. If you can source Ti hangers that could be a good compromise.
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The list of pros is massive and the cons is small and much less significant. I've tried the same forged and riser combo and it's just not the same. After a month back on standards I completely forgot about the weight. If you can source Ti hangers that could be a good compromise.[close]
Funny you mention that. I do have some Ti hangers, and I've never tried them on cast plates, and that's what I was thinking about trying...was just worried about losing the "plow through grind" feeling. I'll certainly try it, though.
Any which way, doing the mix and match meant that a couple of setups worked better than I thought:
8.25 DLX with forged baseplates and regular worn down 149 hangers with mashed axles, one washer on the inside of smaller wheels, which all worked nicely.
I use the height to width ratio more as a minimum. I learned the hard way in the early 2000s that 58/ 60mm wheels aren't that fun on an 8.25". But Small wheels can be really fun on wider decks. Lil smokies on a Huffer for instance.
Anybody know of any problems with the thunder 148s?
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Anybody know of any problems with the thunder 148s?[close]
Yes, they are Thunders. :) (I kid)
Pretty sure @Mbrimson88 has done a lot with washers. I was running three on the inside with Indy 144s and DLX 8.25 for a bit, but eventually just went to 149s, because 149s just have a much better feeling turn to me than 144s.
reposting this from a separate thread (with some more info) but i figured it fit here as well:
I am tempted to get some T2s after my lurpivs. I want a bit more stability and i feel like the slightly lower height may help with that. I know they are a relatively carvy truck (i rode ace af1s forever) and i figured i would try to offset that by using hard bushings. would indy aftermarkets fit or do i just go get new thunder bushings? do i just totally go nuts and go for venture v8s with aftermarket bushings? for reference im 200+ and skate mostly transition, curbs, and small ledges + i want to learn my flip tricks. currently, my lurpiv trucks have indy super hards in them. They are decent trucks but i am wanting a bit more grind clearance and stability. I’d appreciate any guidance!
reposting this from a separate thread (with some more info) but i figured it fit here as well:
I am tempted to get some T2s after my lurpivs. I want a bit more stability and i feel like the slightly lower height may help with that. I know they are a relatively carvy truck (i rode ace af1s forever) and i figured i would try to offset that by using hard bushings. would indy aftermarkets fit or do i just go get new thunder bushings? do i just totally go nuts and go for venture v8s with aftermarket bushings? for reference im 200+ and skate mostly transition, curbs, and small ledges + i want to learn my flip tricks. currently, my lurpiv trucks have indy super hards in them. They are decent trucks but i am wanting a bit more grind clearance and stability. I’d appreciate any guidance!
reposting this from a separate thread (with some more info) but i figured it fit here as well:
I am tempted to get some T2s after my lurpivs. I want a bit more stability and i feel like the slightly lower height may help with that. I know they are a relatively carvy truck (i rode ace af1s forever) and i figured i would try to offset that by using hard bushings. would indy aftermarkets fit or do i just go get new thunder bushings? do i just totally go nuts and go for venture v8s with aftermarket bushings? for reference im 200+ and skate mostly transition, curbs, and small ledges + i want to learn my flip tricks. currently, my lurpiv trucks have indy super hards in them. They are decent trucks but i am wanting a bit more grind clearance and stability. I’d appreciate any guidance!
If you are looking for more stability T-2 are possibly the worst place to look. Not only are they super "loose," but they also have super tight wheelbase, making them very "responsive." IMHO, if you are looking for stability, look for something with a longer wheelbase (deck or trucks)...but personally, I wouldn't even consider T-2.
I wouldn't go T2. Honestly I'd go Indy. Same height as Lurpiv, slightly tighter wheelbase, and you're already using Indy bushings which are plug and play. I like my AF1 but would not recommend them to someone your weight and I don't care what anyone says even with hard bushings they do wheelbite more than Indy's.
I liked my T2, but not interested in another pair which says a lot. They're good, but I just liked them and never loved them.
I like my AF1 but would not recommend them to someone your weight and I don't care what anyone says even with hard bushings they do wheelbite more than Indy's.
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yeah honestly i had a great time on AF1s regardless of my weight. I’m a taller, wider guy so, for me, i just accepted that wheel bite is inevitable regardless of truck height or other factors. it honestly doesn’t concern me all that much. with Af1s being available (with hard bushings) and with brim’s insights into the T2s and bushings swaps, i really don’t have much of a reason to go get indys…Expand QuoteI like my AF1 but would not recommend them to someone your weight and I don't care what anyone says even with hard bushings they do wheelbite more than Indy's.
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I know what you're saying but AF1 aren't weight restricted. :o Too many factors. You could get wider ones, use risers, and the right truck to deck ratio (not to mention wheel size) can offset wheel bite and stability concerns.
I'm also a 200lbs and love them. Stable in deep bowls at speed but responsive in the streets. I do use the hards and keep the KP nut flush. 1/8" risers. Work way better for me than Indy these days.
Ace in general just read my mind and take my old, large body where it wants to go, man...
| Option | Result | Roadblock |
| Slappy Ultra Low (plates only) | Slightly wider wheelbase, cheaper (~$40), replaceable kingpin nut. | Requires a frankentruck setup. |
| Ace AF1 Inverted (plates only) | Slightly tighter wheelbase, slightly lower height, more expensive ($56+), shaft-nut design. | Requires a frankentruck setup; higher cost for baseplates only. |
| Slappy Original Inverted Trucks (whole set) | Similar to Slappy Ultra Low, but with slightly worse clearance, older baseplate design (nut spins freely), includes extra hangers. | Older inverted design; potentially less desirable baseplate than Ultra Low. |
| Inverted Thunder Trucks (whole set) | Skip the surfy-truck curiosity, stay on geometry I'm used to and honestly loving. | What size should I buy? |
| Ace AF1 Inverted (Complete Set) | $80–100, includes extra hangers, hollow construction, avoids a frankentruck setup. | Highest cost option |
I've been tripping on 8.25 vs 8.5 trucks lately. And I've been wanting to try both:
I've been tripping on 8.25 vs 8.5 trucks lately. And I've been wanting to try both:
I stuck three washers on the inside on the 144s. No 149 hot rod-ing. I was happy. A slightly more stable turn. I was happy. A tad more grind room. I was happy. Board not feeling quite as tight-rope. I was happy. Most likely nothing more than Placebo Effect than substantive difference, but either way, I was happy. 149 vs. 144...Game over.
Been skating AF1’s for a few months pretty consistently now but had a shitty session the other day so I threw the forged hollows on just to see what would happen. Skated really well on them tonight so the madness is back. They’re similar feeling trucks so it boils down to the minutia, but it almost feels like it’s a placebo because I was expecting the Indy’s to be a little more stable. Idk though. On AF1’s pop shoves especially feel like a gamble, on Indy’s they felt solid every time. Same with setting up for ledge tricks. I may just have to setup two boards and have a vs match between the two trucks.
Expand QuoteBeen skating AF1’s for a few months pretty consistently now but had a shitty session the other day so I threw the forged hollows on just to see what would happen. Skated really well on them tonight so the madness is back. They’re similar feeling trucks so it boils down to the minutia, but it almost feels like it’s a placebo because I was expecting the Indy’s to be a little more stable. Idk though. On AF1’s pop shoves especially feel like a gamble, on Indy’s they felt solid every time. Same with setting up for ledge tricks. I may just have to setup two boards and have a vs match between the two trucks.[close]
How’s the grind compare on those 2? Getting ready to go the opposite of what you did.
I tried to post this yesterday, but I got the "Human Verification" and it deleted the post.
I ride 1 size truck, and that is whatever size 149, 55, 8.5, whatever, that is designed for an 8.5 deck.
I ride them on 8.25, 8.3, and 8.5s but I have definitely settled on 8.3 as my desired deck width. I ride pretty wide wheels as well, and don't care if the wheel is tucked or extended past the deck edge. I will say that my wheels have moved on from Spitfire Radial fulls, and Bones V7s to a more "normal" V6 shape
...wish I hadn't pigeonholed myself into ~8.25 decks. After that I'll probably check out team thunder 149s since I've never had them before.
An interesting finding— I tried banging out the kingpin and inverting it myself on the thunders as it does have the hex shaped bottom area and the nut didn’t fit.