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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Dopethrone on July 12, 2023, 06:12:26 PM
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https://instagram.com/warsawltd?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Anyone seen or heard about this yet?
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
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It’ll be like everything else he does, kind of cool, kind of wack, but he’s got a loyal following and in the coming years skating is going to trend towards tight pants and rail chomping again so he’ll do fine for a decade or whatever.
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
Lol.
In terms of branding it’s pretty damn good and is an interesting/multi faceted word on its own.
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No
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
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After the resounding success of Straye in the core skate community, the sky is the limit for Mr Thomas and his kewl new venture. I wonder if the first colorway will be Misfits or crucifix? I guess it depends on what his identity is that week…
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imagine a dwindle shoe company
slikk slikk
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
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cool another vulc/canvas brand from southeast asia. can't wait to hear more about his latest market innovation.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
& then new order. most people will just call it by it’s initials like new balance though… “no”.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Ditto. I don't care to know that he Strayed away from his shoe sponsor and Angel.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
LTD is for limited liability. It’s a business reference, not limited stock availability of a product.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
maybe he was just doing it for the thrill of it all?
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
LTD is for limited liability. It’s a business reference, not limited stock availability of a product.
That’d be LLC you’re thinking of
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I’m in.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Booooo this shit sucks
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Is anyone gonna be Dying to Live in these shoes?
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Is anyone gonna be Dying to Live in these shoes?
We’ve been due for some new blood in the shoe game
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Is anyone gonna be Dying to Live in these shoes?
We’ve been due for some new blood in the shoe game
Hoody-hoo would’ve thought a new shoe company could Chomp on This current market.
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Damn it yall :o
Isuck because I have no cash value
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Is anyone gonna be Dying to Live in these shoes?
We’ve been due for some new blood in the shoe game
Hoody-hoo would’ve thought a new shoe company could Chomp on This current market.
It’s a Strange World
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Booooo this shit sucks
Welcome to Hell
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Damn didn’t he say he was happy not doing shoes and just working with straye and that he had quit being a serial business started and even went to men’s meetings to not be a workaholic like less than a month ago?
Dudes weird. No one wants your shoes Jamie. Just go have your weird co dependent relationship with Chris Cole so he has someone new to abuse after his wife left him.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
They are definitely a threat to all the shoebrands in the game
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
They are definitely a threat to all the shoebrands in the game
More like a Minor Threat
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
And then to New Order
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i was thinking he was owner/part owner of straye
then i checked and straye follows warsawltd
in the manufacturing preview photos they look like dress shoes with skate soles
rieder-esque if you aske me
dont know why you would open up another shoe company for that
but may be THE VISION is there and the chief believes in it
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but may be THE VISION is there and the chief believes in it
For sure, he is definitely a believer
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i can't find a reason to believe that this company is going to succeed in this strange world. the chief has experience in this field but with the current state of the shoe business these are probably going to be invisible on the shop walls.
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damn y’all rly kooked me cuz I didn’t continue your Reddit joke thread pretty funny tbh
slikk slikk
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Permission to saw granted, dawn the war saw's ye warrior.
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damn y’all rly kooked me cuz I didn’t continue your Reddit joke thread pretty funny tbh
slikk slikk
It’s like we’re Invisible on this thing 😢
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damn y’all rly kooked me cuz I didn’t continue your Reddit joke thread pretty funny tbh
slikk slikk
I did it because your annoying slikk slikk thing
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damn y’all rly kooked me cuz I didn’t continue your Reddit joke thread pretty funny tbh
slikk slikk
Oh fuck off me and that free max b nigga just living life.
But yeah a writer from dwindle follows this delusional fever dream shoe company so I’m speculating a dwindle corpo shoe co
slikk slikk my balls
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damn y’all rly kooked me cuz I didn’t continue your Reddit joke thread pretty funny tbh
slikk slikk
Oh fuck off me and that free max b nigga just living life.
But yeah a writer from dwindle follows this delusional fever dream shoe company so I’m speculating a dwindle corpo shoe co
slikk slikk my balls
Didn't told you to fuck off or anything like that, just stated my opinion.
I'll enjoy kooking the shit of you. I know is silly but I don't mind, is fun.
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
Three , five, zero, one, two, five go!
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
Three , five, zero, one, two, five go!
gnar
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I took the boxxxxx to Poland
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I know what he did last night
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You guys must’ve had a bad experience with Fallen or something. With all this premature hating, you’d think this new shoe company would be better off invisible.
Give it a chance, maybe the designs are sophisto.
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Permission to grip sir?
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Jamie Thomas entering Mike Valleley levels of restarting the same company over again for decades
W4RS4W C0MB4T
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Last Resort JT
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Jamie Thomas entering Mike Valleley levels of restarting the same company over again for decades
W4RS4W C0MB4T
While I somewhat doubt that this new brand will crush the competition like monster trucks, I do think a simple design would be less ephemeral than say… navy blue etnies raps and independent lower back tattoos.
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Last Resort JT
Came here to say this.
“You mean I can *design* a *classic silhouette* and core skateboarders will pay $100+ a pop? Hmmmm.”
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Jamie Thomas entering Mike Valleley levels of restarting the same company over again for decades
W4RS4W C0MB4T
While I somewhat doubt that this new brand will crush the competition like monster trucks, I do think a simple design would be less ephemeral than say… navy blue etnies raps and independent lower back tattoos.
Damn, remember when he had laser surgery to remove the "Fallen" tattoo from his forearm? I hope he doesn't just repeat the cycle.
Something something leap of faith.
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damn y’all rly kooked me cuz I didn’t continue your Reddit joke thread pretty funny tbh
slikk slikk
Oh fuck off me and that free max b nigga just living life.
But yeah a writer from dwindle follows this delusional fever dream shoe company so I’m speculating a dwindle corpo shoe co
slikk slikk my balls
yeah but pete has been around forever plus max b is a better rapper than ruben slikk
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cool another vulc/canvas brand from southeast asia. can't wait to hear more about his latest market innovation.
Yeah but these shoes will have skulls on them
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
Three , five, zero, one, two, five go!
this made me so happy
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Hopefully they have good insoles , maybe it will feel like you can Ride The Sky!
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i was thinking he was owner/part owner of straye
then i checked and straye follows warsawltd
in the manufacturing preview photos they look like dress shoes with skate soles
rieder-esque if you aske me
dont know why you would open up another shoe company for that
but may be THE VISION is there and the chief believes in it
I mean if you're using an established shoe company for production/manufacturing then starting another 'company' isn't much more than design/branding
Not saying Warsaw *is* out of Straye but if that's the case it makes things much easier for Jamie
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Came here to say this.
“You mean I can *design* a *classic silhouette* and core skateboarders will pay $100+ a pop? Hmmmm.”
Jordan/dunk
Stan smith
old school
Chuck
era/authentic
slip-on
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I read it as "Wars. Aw...."
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Speculating…
Maybe Warsaw is Straye’s sister company and it will be higher quality shoes. Possibly more core with a legit team? There’s no way the designs could be worse than Straye
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How many brands have to fail before you say, "I'm just going to buy some shoes to skate in"
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i can't find a reason to believe that this company is going to succeed in this strange world. the chief has experience in this field but with the current state of the shoe business these are probably going to be invisible on the shop walls.
lol nice
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I'd rather skate barefoot.
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Speculating…
Maybe Warsaw is Straye’s sister company and it will be higher quality shoes. Possibly more core with a legit team? There’s no way the designs could be worse than Straye
I totally agree with your last sentence in theory, but Jamie might see this assertion as a challenge.
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I hope they have good traction otherwise ill need permission to slip
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Speculating…
Maybe Warsaw is Straye’s sister company and it will be higher quality shoes. Possibly more core with a legit team? There’s no way the designs could be worse than Straye
That's not very hard to achieve tbh
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Speculating…
Maybe Warsaw is Straye’s sister company and it will be higher quality shoes. Possibly more core with a legit team? There’s no way the designs could be worse than Straye
Ha! I wanted to support them but the combo of super cheap looking shoes and the flames kept me away.
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i can't find a reason to believe that this company is going to succeed in this strange world. the chief has experience in this field but with the current state of the shoe business these are probably going to be invisible on the shop walls.
That was such a 411 vm 50 thing of you to say.
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I know this is already three pages deep and this has probably been discussed at length, but imagine looking at the market as it is currently constituted and thinking “needs another shoe brand.”
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I know this is already three pages deep and this has probably been discussed at length, but imagine looking at the market as it is currently constituted and thinking “needs another shoe brand.”
how can we get more misfits skulls onto shoes?
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
LTD is for limited liability. It’s a business reference, not limited stock availability of a product.
That’d be LLC you’re thinking of
LLC and LTD are real similar outside of a tax component, but tomato, potato. Potatoes.
But what are we, at work? (I am, oops!)
Onto the shoe show banter.
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I'd rather skate barefoot.
I saw what you did there.
Hopefully this won't end up with him having to live out of his car again.
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
LTD is for limited liability. It’s a business reference, not limited stock availability of a product.
That’d be LLC you’re thinking of
LLC and LTD are real similar outside of a tax component, but tomato, potato. Potatoes.
But what are we, at work? (I am, oops!)
Onto the shoe show banter.
Also UK / USA
Ltd and LLC are the same just different across the pond.
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cool another vulc/canvas brand from southeast asia. can't wait to hear more about his latest market innovation.
Thank you for the laugh
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I know this is already three pages deep and this has probably been discussed at length, but imagine looking at the market as it is currently constituted and thinking “needs another shoe brand.”
Danzig’s house needs fresh gargoyle statues. Time to license the Crimson Ghost to Jamie again.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
They are definitely a threat to all the shoebrands in the game
More like a Minor Threat
Man how happy would the Chief be if he could license that imagery.
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I thought he was in recovery for being a workaholic.
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2 shoes brands created by the same pro skater… surely there’s no chance that one doesn’t just take sales away from the other? You’d think a lot of sales are just Jamie Thomas fans.
Haven’t looked at straye in a long while but it’s pretty wild to me that JT has a shoe company with just him, Boo Johnson and Antuan on it and there’s also flames on the shoes. Or was it always like that?
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
How someone can be a slave to shitty brands will always be a mystery to me
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
Sometimes we just got to let a little bit of the goofy nonsense in to counterbalance all the Beatrice etc stuff
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Maybe if he just goes back Fallen he could make some decent money…no…maybe if he goes back to Circa….no….maybe if he goes back to Adio….maybe if he goes back to emerica……
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it might be a greco Deathwish Hammers situation (does he even still have anything to do with it?)
He made one for the masses.
Made another Brand with a more limited run that is a little more chique.
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
true, people should argue 24/7
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
You need a Painkiller
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Booooo this shit sucks
Welcome to Hell
I dunno guys, I think this could be a really good Jamie Thomas's naked sponsor me part that got removed from the Baker video opportunity.
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(https://media.tenor.com/JOgZv_l_UVkAAAAC/not-like-this-stare.gif)
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
true, people should argue 24/7
We have time for all of it.
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Shoes: Permission to rip sir?
ISUCK: Permission granted sole-dier!
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How many brands have to fail before you say, "I'm just going to buy some shoes to skate in"
More than all of them
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
Lighten up, Francis
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Temp name. Will def change to Joy Division
Gnar’d
I thought of this immediately. Unfortunate that Jamie Thomas may come to mind whenever I think of my favorite band.
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Guess I’ll gnar you too & join in. I LOVE NEW ORDER…
Jamie Thomas’ new company will Straye away from all of the Power, Corruption & Lies that these corporate companies embrace. They have Zero regards for the Mystery of Love that has Fallen on deaf ears due to the Black Box in this world, known as Humanity. War Saw is the Ride in the Sky.
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
Yeah right
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
LTD is for limited liability. It’s a business reference, not limited stock availability of a product.
That’d be LLC you’re thinking of
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As long as God gave Jamie the permission to start yet another capitalistic venture where he will underpay and exploit everyone associated with it, I'm cool with it and you should be too.
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Should’ve captioned the post
3 5 0 1 2 5 GO
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Wow I don't know what's worse: Jamie Thomas starting another shoe brand or people thinking it's funny to make puns of video and brand names. Actually, it's the latter for sure.
It's the Slap equivalent of a reddit lyric chain and it's disgusting
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Curious as to what the logo will look like and whether or not it will be blatantly christian. Anyone ever noticed how the fallen logo kinda sorta looks like Jesus on the cross despite whatever other double meaning they've applied to it?
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Whoa no way did anyone ever notice that it also has two F shapes in it? I wonder what that could mean.
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Whoa no way did anyone ever notice that it also has two F shapes in it? I wonder what that could mean.
I see you don't read or comprehend much. Obviously it's two f's. Also it kind of looks like what I said. Christians are great at spreading it low-key through veiled propaganda.
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After the resounding success of Straye in the core skate community, the sky is the limit for Mr Thomas and his kewl new venture. I wonder if the first colorway will be Misfits or crucifix? I guess it depends on what his identity is that week…
It’ll be a crucifits. In the name of the father, the son, and the crimson ghost.
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After the resounding success of Straye in the core skate community, the sky is the limit for Mr Thomas and his kewl new venture. I wonder if the first colorway will be Misfits or crucifix? I guess it depends on what his identity is that week…
It’ll be a crucifits. In the name of the father, the son, and the crimson ghost.
If the crucifits, wear it.
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Hopefully they have good insoles , maybe it will feel like you can Ride The Sky!
Was so close to making to the end of the thread without this pun.
Touche, well played. I'm still going for it.
He's just trying to ride the sky-high demand for something like this.
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There’s “Limited” in the name. I’m guessing it won’t be shoes for the masses. I’m guessing basic, nicer quality skate shoes. Only so many of each pair made. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m hoping for a better logo than what he had for Fallen.
LTD is for limited liability. It’s a business reference, not limited stock availability of a product.
That’d be LLC you’re thinking of
Limited is fine. It puts litigants he rips off on notice when they bring a copyright infringement action they’ll be suing W4RS4W and can only get at their assets and not those sweet sweet JT personal assets. (Old Lindsay Robertson and Ryan smith mystery bloards)
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Whoa no way did anyone ever notice that it also has two F shapes in it? I wonder what that could mean.
I see you don't read or comprehend much. Obviously it's two f's. Also it kind of looks like what I said. Christians are great at spreading it low-key through veiled propaganda.
But are we really sure it's two Fs?
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Should’ve captioned the post
3 5 0 1 2 5 GO
31 G
Jamie Thomas forgot Rudolph Hess
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I got one.
I’d hate to see this tarnish his LEGACY.
At least I think legacy was a JT company
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I have to omit, this thread is getting old.
I know its Chris Cole but F it.
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Any bets on which movie he’ll steal the logo from?
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Hopefully Hocus Pocus. If one person agrees and quotes me, I'll go eat Mexican food for lunch.
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Hopefully Hocus Pocus. If one person agrees and quotes me, I'll go eat Mexican food for lunch.
Welp, that settles it. Go time.
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has jaime thomas ever had a truly original idea?
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has jaime thomas ever had a truly original idea?
Chris Cole, but even that was derived from his own look so no I guess not.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
It came out on itunes because it's in my library. I'm watching it now and I'm not sure I've ever seen it
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really it would just be cool if JT dipped out for a couple years, maybe took up a hobby like fishing or model sailboat building. I'm all for him doing charity work and doing his church stuff, but for the love of god we do not need another jamie thomas shoe brand.
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I got one.
I’d hate to see this tarnish his LEGACY.
At least I think legacy was a JT company
Dwindle did Legacy.
JT did Threat.
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Shoes: Permission to rip sir?
ISUCK: Permission granted sole-dier!
absolute hammer of a first post, welcome to the boards my brother
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has jaime thomas ever had a truly original idea?
Zero of them.
Actually, I blame him for those red and black pants Garret Hill wore.
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
I would be so annoyed about a company picnic
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
They sell them at forever 21
so thats that
I think that was the first time I ever saw Strayes in real life. You know when your signifcant other just has to fully lap a mall store?
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@ISUCK permission to wear, sir?
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I don't get how straye did get their ass sued.
Blatant Vans rip off on that ugly triangle etnies vulc sole.
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
Ha that'd pretty awesome - a picnic with free food sounds rad.
on another note isn't straye a price point brand? arent the shoes all under $30?
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
Forced fun
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I don't get how straye did get their ass sued.
Blatant Vans rip off on that ugly triangle etnies vulc sole.
I believe they bought an old Vans factory overseas that includes the molds and all. So blame Vans for not protecting their model silhouettes?
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Little flames or this wyd
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
Nah just an excuse to not open excel and start drinking at noon.
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I got one.
I’d hate to see this tarnish his LEGACY.
At least I think legacy was a JT company
Dwindle did Legacy.
JT did Threat.
Damn that’s what it was!
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
Walking down pacific beach I saw 4 different people who most certainly did not skate wearing them. I couldn’t even tell you what shops carry strayes
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As long as God gave Jamie the permission to start yet another capitalistic venture where he will underpay and exploit everyone associated with it, I'm cool with it and you should be too.
Have a gnar
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Little flames or this wyd
light myself on fire
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Before we know it ,we'll have a new JT part. Welcome to Cariuma intro part. Too soon?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C26ScsTr2f9/?igsh=aHB5dzJkMmU5aXdt
Loool read the caption.
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Crazy how much he still rips at his age.
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Crazy how much he still rips at his age.
He's a Monster!
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"sorry i blew my load so early, heres me in a tiny hat"
wonder which mid top will drop first- spanlys or chiefs?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C26ScsTr2f9/?igsh=aHB5dzJkMmU5aXdt
Loool read the caption.
Is war saw jt capitalizing on the gilbert crockett vibe/style ? Def looks like with the fit in the video.
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I genuinely thought that was a @Dad Board post when it came up in my feed. Respect to DadBoard
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
I would be so annoyed about a company picnic
Same, I'm either being paid to work or I'm going home. Stop with this shit.
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Idk why but I guess people have a idea of JT that’s 20+ years old still burned into their head but he’s been wearing this fit for at least 8 years now, it’s not something new. Also why’s the caption funny? Have none of you guys ventured into a slap ‘shoes & gear thread’ before?
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
It's for the misled youth to jump off a building
That’s pretty Heavy Metal to name something Jamie Thomas wasn’t really in. Some might even say The Road(s) Less Traveled*
*don’t think fallen ever actual released this
Booooo this shit sucks
Welcome to Hell
I gotta be honest, guys. The Chief has been one of my favorites since the 90s, and I truly believe that his new shoe company will wind up being pretty The Censored Part in Baker 2G That Was Him Skating Naked.
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Idk why but I guess people have a idea of JT that’s 20+ years old still burned into their head but he’s been wearing this fit for at least 8 years now, it’s not something new. Also why’s the caption funny? Have none of you guys ventured into a slap ‘shoes & gear thread’ before?
One thing I found funny was him saying the company has been a "side project" but then saying in response to someone's comment that Warsaw (which is apparently actually supposed to be WAR SAW) will make "footwear, apparel, skateboards, accessories & whatever else I come up with." Nothing makes me feel more confident that a company will succeed than it being a side project that the owner admits isn't getting as much attention as it likely needs but promises will make everything under the sun.
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
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I got a new job recently and we had our company picnic today. Saw a guy in strayes and thought he has to skate, how could a non skater even come across this brand. He said he just liked the flames.
You have company picnics lol
I would be so annoyed about a company picnic
My company took us to go bowling once. I drank a shit ton of beer and smoked outside the whole time cuz fuck you guys
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calling it "war saw" and not "warsaw" is weird...
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calling it "war saw" and not "warsaw" is weird...
It’s like battle axe, but different. See guys?
See?!?
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calling it "war saw" and not "warsaw" is weird...
See?!?
War? Saw it and I’m here to tell my tale… Walk a mile in these battle hardened shoes solider…
Honestly Battle Axe would be a better name.
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“Leap”
“Faith”
“Leap of Faith”
All better names, honestly. Guessing his audience is largely digital, THPS-depth. He can scoop up the highly suggestible Cariuma crowd who want some more edge in their alt-Vans shoe.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C26ScsTr2f9/?igsh=aHB5dzJkMmU5aXdt
Loool read the caption.
The tone of that caption was strange in that it seemed like he wanted to be relatable but also like he was hoping some potential investors would read it.
Having said that, the pants don’t look bad.
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All of this seems like a terrible idea, having heavy Threat vibes.
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ISUCK (Jamie), what are you doing describing your fit on what should have been a proper IG skate clip? (still impressed by your skating)
Who is looking at that baggy fit like, "yes, for only $200, I too can look like most generic skaters or the first two things I saw at Ross."
Throw those type of things to someone like Karl Berglind ffs
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
I was thinking the same thing. This is like a Straye 2.0 minus the logo and flames. Not trying to hate, I just don’t see the need for another generic style shoe company.
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Uhhh Jamie is a true OG….why doesn’t slap support him in anything??? Take this L slap pals
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
I was thinking the same thing. This is like a Straye 2.0 minus the logo and flames. Not trying to hate, I just don’t see the need for another generic style shoe company.
Jamie want money
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
I was thinking the same thing. This is like a Straye 2.0 minus the logo and flames. Not trying to hate, I just don’t see the need for another generic style shoe company.
Jamie want money
He replied in the comments that he was going to be making “…footwear, apparel, skateboards, accessories & whatever else I come up with”, and I lost all hope.
Now I’m wondering what this company is even supposed to be.
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Jamie need to take a day off
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Was gonna say he should use this as a logo:
(https://i.imgur.com/2gAli5N.png)
Then after I made that shitty thing I realized it's basically the Weezer logo.
So yeah, he should use that for Warsaw.
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
I was thinking the same thing. This is like a Straye 2.0 minus the logo and flames. Not trying to hate, I just don’t see the need for another generic style shoe company.
Jamie want money
But is this even profitable?
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There seems to very little movement / info on this Warsaw venture of his. Googling just brings up some announcement articles.
A year or so ago I bought two pairs of Straye converse rip-offs (plain black) and while they were comfortable and looked nice (for a week or two) they were clearly so cheaply made - the “double wrapped foxing tap” split on one pair then grew into a large rip. The second pair the suede just ripped along the side after walking in them for a couple of months.
I mean the shoes were £21/22 a pair, sure, but that was a sale price. I just checked their website and they are wanting £80 for some new low-top things with puffy tongues.
I wanted to support them, what with them seeming to have a legitimate team but my goodness they were awful shoes.
Maybe War Saw will be different , probably not.
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There seems to very little movement / info on this Warsaw venture of his. Googling just brings up some announcement articles.
A year or so ago I bought two pairs of Straye converse rip-offs (plain black) and while they were comfortable and looked nice (for a week or two) they were clearly so cheaply made - the “double wrapped foxing tap” split on one pair then grew into a large rip. The second pair the suede just ripped along the side after walking in them for a couple of months.
I mean the shoes were £21/22 a pair, sure, but that was a sale price. I just checked their website and they are wanting £80 for some new low-top things with puffy tongues.
I wanted to support them, what with them seeming to have a legitimate team but my goodness they were awful shoes.
Maybe War Saw will be different , probably not.
He's busy sweeping his buddy's domestic violence under the rug.
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There seems to very little movement / info on this Warsaw venture of his. Googling just brings up some announcement articles.
A year or so ago I bought two pairs of Straye converse rip-offs (plain black) and while they were comfortable and looked nice (for a week or two) they were clearly so cheaply made - the “double wrapped foxing tap” split on one pair then grew into a large rip. The second pair the suede just ripped along the side after walking in them for a couple of months.
I mean the shoes were £21/22 a pair, sure, but that was a sale price. I just checked their website and they are wanting £80 for some new low-top things with puffy tongues.
I wanted to support them, what with them seeming to have a legitimate team but my goodness they were awful shoes.
Maybe War Saw will be different , probably not.
He's busy sweeping his buddy's domestic violence under the rug.
Good point.
Maybe he should get a tattoo to commemorate that as well.
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
I was thinking the same thing. This is like a Straye 2.0 minus the logo and flames. Not trying to hate, I just don’t see the need for another generic style shoe company.
Jamie want money
But is this even profitable?
I mean every business is started with the hopes that it will be, only time and sales will tell
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I love how many people in the comments are asking for puffy Fallen style shoes and he's just like "nah". Respect him making the shoes that he wants to make, but maybe a good indication with how well this will do with your fanbase.
I was thinking the same thing. This is like a Straye 2.0 minus the logo and flames. Not trying to hate, I just don’t see the need for another generic style shoe company.
Jamie want money
But is this even profitable?
I mean every business is started with the hopes that it will be, only time and sales will tell
Given the RRP of their cheap and awful shoes, probably:
https://straye.com/collections/footwear
£86 (not inc. delivery) for their latest models.
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Was gonna say he should use this as a logo:
(https://i.imgur.com/2gAli5N.png)
Then after I made that shitty thing I realized it's basically the Weezer logo.
So yeah, he should use that for Warsaw.
Lmao the fallen logo is basically a rip of the Van Halen logo, which basically is what weezer was ripping off, so yes it would be full circle if the chief ripped off weezer
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Imagine still trying to stretch this far into the industry with Fallen 2.0 when you’ve had a run this far… see if LRAB fit or try ASICS maybe
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Was gonna say he should use this as a logo:
(https://i.imgur.com/2gAli5N.png)
Then after I made that shitty thing I realized it's basically the Weezer logo.
So yeah, he should use that for Warsaw.
Lmao the fallen logo is basically a rip of the Van Halen logo, which basically is what weezer was ripping off, so yes it would be full circle if the chief ripped off weezer
Also a rip off of the Platinum Skateboards logo(https://i.ibb.co/YPNWNJF/IMG-2123.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YPNWNJF)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E2oWo8Idn1o
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Would support if it was called any of the following:
Rad Kix
Hot Hooves
Skeet Feet
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Just wear these War Saws filled with yogurt. Come on, don’t make it weird.
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Just wear these War Saws filled with yogurt. Comecum on, don’t make it weird.
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Guess he should’ve gone with Skeet Feet as @ok boomer said.
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Was this just gonna be a 2nd product line from Straye, w/ Jamie making aesthetic decisions, or… ?
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Was this just gonna be a 2nd product line from Straye, w/ Jamie making aesthetic decisions, or… ?
That’s exactly what I thought as well. Has iSuck been lurking? In his IG bio and on Warsaws it says August 2024 debut.
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From what you can see in the IG clips, everything looks pretty tasteful honestly.
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everyone on zero is gnarly as fuck. And there is a culture of people killing themselves for the videos.
Have these efforts gotten anyone anywhere in the last 10 years? Is Gabbers paid by Adidas? Anybody else got a good shoe deal?
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Their newest Brazilian skater is on new balance, and their Japanese skater kairi is on dc
I’d rather buy my own shoes than be sponsored by fallen and straye
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From what you can see in the IG clips, everything looks pretty tasteful honestly.
agreed. those pants he's wearing in look pretty damn good actually.
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No way in hell I’m trusting some dude that Ollied the gonz barefoot and dresses like that about shoes.
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Their newest Brazilian skater is on new balance, and their Japanese skater kairi is on dc
On the note of Kairi and DC, I've noticed at least twice in Non US contests where Kairi is clearing wearing a Nike SB shirt but wearing Kalis vulcs. I mean no attempt to flip the logo tee inside out. Really wonder if DC isn't paying attention. I doubt Kairi is that naive to wear a shirt with a brand you're not sponsored by and yet he's done it more than once.
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Their newest Brazilian skater is on new balance, and their Japanese skater kairi is on dc
On the note of Kairi and DC, I've noticed at least twice in Non US contests where Kairi is clearing wearing a Nike SB shirt but wearing Kalis vulcs. I mean no attempt to flip the logo tee inside out. Really wonder if DC isn't paying attention. I doubt Kairi is that naive to wear a shirt with a brand you're not sponsored by and yet he's done it more than once.
I believe for the Olympics that team Japan apparel is through Nike. I see Liz Akama wearing SB shirts and skating in ASICS. I don’t think they wear the Nike gear outside of the World Skate contests.
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Click on this and it’ll work (I don’t know why it won’t work in the thread.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ZD0qkSitR/?igsh=MTkxa2JiMDlvZGpvYw==
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Click on this and it’ll work (I don’t know why it won’t work in the thread.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ZD0qkSitR/?igsh=MTkxa2JiMDlvZGpvYw==
(https://i.ibb.co/k9P3FYS/Sin-ti-tulo-1-copia.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
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(https://i.ibb.co/Hgyhpxb/Screenshot-2024-09-03-095042.png) (https://ibb.co/Hgyhpxb)
"one more brand"
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Click on this and it’ll work (I don’t know why it won’t work in the thread.)
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ZD0qkSitR/?igsh=MTkxa2JiMDlvZGpvYw==
Cool. Edgier vans
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(https://i.ibb.co/Hgyhpxb/Screenshot-2024-09-03-095042.png) (https://ibb.co/Hgyhpxb)
"one more brand"
Lol. Yeah.
I don't remember him being involved with Dekline though, as someone else mentioned.
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Man said he picked the name Warsaw cause and I quote “ simply, I like the sound & the balance of the word itself. I also like the monochromatic & minimalistic vibe of the eastern bloc.”
What a fucking douchebag.
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Man said he picked the name Warsaw cause and I quote “ simply, I like the sound & the balance of the word itself. I also like the monochromatic & minimalistic vibe of the eastern bloc.”
What a fucking douchebag.
Massive one. Guy is like 100 and still has a imaginary friend, what you expect?
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
Jamie was involved with State? I had no idea. I rocked so many of their Mercers for years.
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
Jamie was involved with State? I had no idea. I rocked so many of their Mercers for years.
I don't think anyone was trying to say Jamie founded or was specifically involved in all of those companies, moreso that each of those brands are just reiterating on very similar business model/shoe designs.
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
Jamie was involved with State? I had no idea. I rocked so many of their Mercers for years.
Gotcha. He was involved with Straye in the beginning? Or am I misremembering
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
Jamie was involved with State? I had no idea. I rocked so many of their Mercers for years.
He definitely was
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
Jamie was involved with State? I had no idea. I rocked so many of their Mercers for years.
He definitely was
My memories of early straye was Jamie, Antwuan? and Braydon I think.
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
Jamie was involved with State? I had no idea. I rocked so many of their Mercers for years.
Bingo, I just tried to cram as many generic, top down vulc shoe brands that are virtually indistinguishable from one another.
Because Jamie has no creative bone left in his body
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(https://i.ibb.co/k9P3FYS/Sin-ti-tulo-1-copia.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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This shit is fucking gold.
(https://i.ibb.co/Hgyhpxb/Screenshot-2024-09-03-095042.png) (https://ibb.co/Hgyhpxb)
"one more brand"
Jamie replied to a comment on that post saying he had shares in Straye, so if we count Straye as one of his shoe company endavours that's
Adio, Circa, Fallen, Straye, Warsaw
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Shocker. A Joy Division song and shoes that look like every other shoe! The king of cliché strikes again. But this time with Holocaust references!
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Any curiosity I might gain for this brand will be 100% based on who he puts on the team? If it’s just all zero riders, it will be a hard pass on curiosity.
Using D Gar (top 3 all time for me) as a model has them off to a good start though!
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This shit is fucking gold.
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"one more brand"
Jamie replied to a comment on that post saying he had shares in Straye, so if we count Straye as one of his shoe company endavours that's
Adio, Circa, Fallen, Straye, Warsaw
Black Box helped with NB# in some capacity as they were getting their feet
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"one more brand"
Jamie replied to a comment on that post saying he had shares in Straye, so if we count Straye as one of his shoe company endavours that's
Adio, Circa, Fallen, Straye, Warsaw
You could even add NB# to it.
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From Black Box's wiki page,
Prior to its closure in 2014, it (Black Box Distro) distributed Zero Skateboards, Fallen Footwear, Slave, Threat, Destroyer, Mystery, and New Balance Numeric brands.
On top of some of the other brands mentioned, JT's hit/miss ratio is all fucked up.
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Let’s not forget he was on Emerica briefly and had a pro model. And correct me if I’m wrong but they were supposed to reissue it a few years back and he canceled it.
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Let’s not forget he was on Emerica briefly and had a pro model. And correct me if I’m wrong but they were supposed to reissue it a few years back and he canceled it.
No need to correct you.
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From Black Box's wiki page,
Prior to its closure in 2014, it (Black Box Distro) distributed Zero Skateboards, Fallen Footwear, Slave, Threat, Destroyer, Mystery, and New Balance Numeric brands.
On top of some of the other brands mentioned, JT's hit/miss ratio is all fucked up.
It's crazy how strongly NB rebounded after their Black Box days.
I remember that Black Box collapsed quickly after their initial launch, so NB's first push with them was full of missteps and inconsistencies (inconsistent qualities, sizing missteps including people in here saying that shoes in the same pair were notably different sizes but labeled the same, etc.), then they went dark for what felt like a long time after such a big initial media blitz and push, only to come back completely revitalized seemingly out of nowhere.
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The "we have last resort ab at home" company that nobody asked for and tbh I'm looking forward to fail miserably because JT is a massive douche.
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in the other post he says he's also wearing what will be warsaw pants and shirt and I gotta admit I don't hate the clothing, but the shoes look like the globe chelsea boot which isn't exactly flying off the shelves
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I'll add that on a long list of 'Legacy Pros' that deserve a shot at owning / running a new footwear company JT is dead last. Especially after running every other company he's been involved with into the ground.
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I imagine he’s bright green with envy at how well NB are doing with Andy Reynolds and in general…
Which leaves us here at Fallen 2.0 and yet another desperate reach for the stars
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in the other post he says he's also wearing what will be warsaw pants and shirt and I gotta admit I don't hate the clothing, but the shoes look like the globe chelsea boot which isn't exactly flying off the shelves
these are going to be much more expensive
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I'll add that on a long list of 'Legacy Pros' that deserve a shot at owning / running a new footwear company JT is dead last. Especially after running every other company he's been involved with into the ground.
The best part is this dumbass went on a podcast and admitted he was in a men’s therapy group for workaholics and then turns around and starts another doomed company.
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
JT single handedly ruined C1RC4 with his heinous shoe designs and adding all his cronies from Zero. He took the brand from Video Radio to Adrian Lopez 4's being sold at Grocery Outlet in a matter of years. I remember immediately not liking the brand as soon as he was added, despite being one of the top pros at the time.
And let's not forget his involvement in heinous menswear brand R0ARK Revival which has probably bankrupted multiple times now and makes 95% of their revenue from viral stretchy DWR adventure shorts with rip off Former logos and spandex compression liners sold directly to consumer on instagram.
There's a massive disparity between the Welcome To Hell leap of faith barefoot lipsliding THPS character that captivated a generation and the self-obsessed corporate warlord that he later exposed himself as.
War Saw is surely doomed.
No one milks harder than Adrian Lopez. I hate the guy just because of this.
He still has his pro model shoe and circa is still around. Its some kind of ghost company.
I know they are kinda big in Argentina, i think.
But HOW??????
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Danny Garcia, Austin Stephens & Matt Costa…..
What a shame these what I thought to be cool cats would want to even be in the same sentence at BBC Jamie Thomas…..
Well, I can say this one idiot from back home will be sweating this as he’s older, runs an unsuccessful skate company (calling it a company feels fictional) & loves to burn bridges. I’m happy for him I guess.
Jamie Thomas, please understand that Warsaw, the short lived name of Joy Division will always be greater & eternal unlike any of your past, current & future companies.
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
JT single handedly ruined C1RC4 with his heinous shoe designs and adding all his cronies from Zero. He took the brand from Video Radio to Adrian Lopez 4's being sold at Grocery Outlet in a matter of years. I remember immediately not liking the brand as soon as he was added, despite being one of the top pros at the time.
And let's not forget his involvement in heinous menswear brand R0ARK Revival which has probably bankrupted multiple times now and makes 95% of their revenue from viral stretchy DWR adventure shorts with rip off Former logos and spandex compression liners sold directly to consumer on instagram.
There's a massive disparity between the Welcome To Hell leap of faith barefoot lipsliding THPS character that captivated a generation and the self-obsessed corporate warlord that he later exposed himself as.
War Saw is surely doomed.
No one milks harder than Adrian Lopez. I hate the guy just because of this.
He still has his pro model shoe and circa is still around. Its some kind of ghost company.
I know they are kinda big in Argentina, i think.
But HOW??????
Your question is how are they big in Argentina? As far I know an argentinean dude bought Fallen after their fall (pin intended). Why somebody would do that I have no clue. Maybe the guy was a JT fan?
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I imagine he’s bright green with envy at how well NB are doing with Andy Reynolds and in general…
Which leaves us here at Fallen 2.0 and yet another desperate reach for the stars
But the new fallen isn’t JTs doing
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
JT single handedly ruined C1RC4 with his heinous shoe designs and adding all his cronies from Zero. He took the brand from Video Radio to Adrian Lopez 4's being sold at Grocery Outlet in a matter of years. I remember immediately not liking the brand as soon as he was added, despite being one of the top pros at the time.
And let's not forget his involvement in heinous menswear brand R0ARK Revival which has probably bankrupted multiple times now and makes 95% of their revenue from viral stretchy DWR adventure shorts with rip off Former logos and spandex compression liners sold directly to consumer on instagram.
There's a massive disparity between the Welcome To Hell leap of faith barefoot lipsliding THPS character that captivated a generation and the self-obsessed corporate warlord that he later exposed himself as.
War Saw is surely doomed.
No one milks harder than Adrian Lopez. I hate the guy just because of this.
He still has his pro model shoe and circa is still around. Its some kind of ghost company.
I know they are kinda big in Argentina, i think.
But HOW??????
How is circa still around?
How adrian lopez still has pro models?
How people dont saybshit about him more often?
How circa is still big in argentina?
The answer about Fallen was welcome too.
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
JT single handedly ruined C1RC4 with his heinous shoe designs and adding all his cronies from Zero. He took the brand from Video Radio to Adrian Lopez 4's being sold at Grocery Outlet in a matter of years. I remember immediately not liking the brand as soon as he was added, despite being one of the top pros at the time.
And let's not forget his involvement in heinous menswear brand R0ARK Revival which has probably bankrupted multiple times now and makes 95% of their revenue from viral stretchy DWR adventure shorts with rip off Former logos and spandex compression liners sold directly to consumer on instagram.
There's a massive disparity between the Welcome To Hell leap of faith barefoot lipsliding THPS character that captivated a generation and the self-obsessed corporate warlord that he later exposed himself as.
War Saw is surely doomed.
No one milks harder than Adrian Lopez. I hate the guy just because of this.
He still has his pro model shoe and circa is still around. Its some kind of ghost company.
I know they are kinda big in Argentina, i think.
But HOW??????
How is circa still around? No clue.
How adrian lopez still has pro models? No clue.
How people dont saybshit about him more often? He's too tiny for any of us to remember he still exist. Dude can't be seen.
How circa is still big in argentina? Also in Chile never stopped being a thing. No clue about it.
The answer about Fallen was welcome too. Owner is from Argentina
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I imagine he’s bright green with envy at how well NB are doing with Andy Reynolds and in general…
Which leaves us here at Fallen 2.0 and yet another desperate reach for the stars
But the new fallen isn’t JTs doing
Ah shi yeah I forgot Fallen was still even in business to be honest, I meant Warsaw as Fallen 2.0.
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Danny Garcia, Austin Stephens & Matt Costa…..
What a shame these what I thought to be cool cats would want to even be in the same sentence at BBC Jamie Thomas…..
I'm pretty sure all those guys are in the same modern/reborn/whatever-you-call-it Christian camp, so that probably explains the connection here.
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Can’t wait to use this one as my monopoly board game piece
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Black Box helped with NB# in some capacity as they were getting their feet
Black Box was the distributor in the beginning of NB#. So basically they just used their existing relationships to get the shoes in shops. I don't think their relationship was anything more than that.
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The "we have last resort ab at home" company that nobody asked for and tbh I'm looking forward to fail miserably because JT is a massive douche.
Permission to DM this and act like all of SLAP is a monolith?
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The "we have last resort ab at home" company that nobody asked for and tbh I'm looking forward to fail miserably because JT is a massive douche.
Permission to DM this and act like all of SLAP is a monolith?
Be my guest.
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I'm gonna rep this brand so hard! can't wait!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Hey, cool.
Jamie Thomas made Straye State Dekline Last Resort Warsaw…
JT single handedly ruined C1RC4 with his heinous shoe designs and adding all his cronies from Zero. He took the brand from Video Radio to Adrian Lopez 4's being sold at Grocery Outlet in a matter of years. I remember immediately not liking the brand as soon as he was added, despite being one of the top pros at the time.
And let's not forget his involvement in heinous menswear brand R0ARK Revival which has probably bankrupted multiple times now and makes 95% of their revenue from viral stretchy DWR adventure shorts with rip off Former logos and spandex compression liners sold directly to consumer on instagram.
There's a massive disparity between the Welcome To Hell leap of faith barefoot lipsliding THPS character that captivated a generation and the self-obsessed corporate warlord that he later exposed himself as.
War Saw is surely doomed.
No one milks harder than Adrian Lopez. I hate the guy just because of this.
He still has his pro model shoe and circa is still around. Its some kind of ghost company.
I know they are kinda big in Argentina, i think.
But HOW??????
How is circa still around?
How adrian lopez still has pro models?
How people dont saybshit about him more often?
How circa is still big in argentina?
The answer about Fallen was welcome too.
I'm pretty sure Circa and Osiris are both mostly owned by the factories now, I know they're run by the same entity cuz somehow I ended up on mailing list and both of their mail chimp things go out on the same day and it's the exact same email just different shoes and branding.
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
nah, it will be called "permission to drip sir?"
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
My money is on "Skating Will Tear us Apart"
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
My money is on "Skating Will Tear us Apart"
Mine is on "She's lost board control again."
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
My money is on "Skating Will Tear us Apart"
Mine is on "She's lost board control again."
Whenever someone asks Jamie about the multiple times Christine showed him proof of James’ abuse, he responds “I remember nothing”
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This is when the dude who runs his mouth, but rarely faces consequences, is really good at skateboarding and Toy Story lore. You would think someone would have squared up or chin checked him after that SF scenario. I dont know, could've helped him be a better person than he is today. Another reason why Busenitz and Richard Paez are the legends that they are
What happened?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DAqcvV4vQtJ/?igsh=MWRoNG5jemJyZzdydg==
https://www.instagram.com/p/DArSUeiTN4R/?igsh=MWl4aDAyZ20wMDduaA==
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looks like jamie thomas, matt costa, danny garcia and ??
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put Chris back on Zero!
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looks like jamie thomas, matt costa, danny garcia and ??
Wait wait wait wait, Danny Garcia is co-signing??!!
(Sorry, I don’t have IG to investigate on my own)
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looks like jamie thomas, matt costa, danny garcia and ??
(Sorry, I don’t have IG to investigate on my own)
I think he's just modeling for this.
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looks like jamie thomas, matt costa, danny garcia and ??
(Sorry, I don’t have IG to investigate on my own)
I think he's just modeling for this.
ohhh that crafty, sneaky sexy bastard.
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Voor Shava
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After listening to that nine club episode, he claims he started a shoes company unlike any out there…but they look exactly like last resorts… like dude just admit you stole other shoe designs
Not to mention he talks about how he stole all his future designs and brought them to every new company he jumped over to.
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looks like jamie thomas, matt costa, danny garcia and ??
(Sorry, I don’t have IG to investigate on my own)
I think he's just modeling for this.
Getting Garcia and Costa on will save on music costs for videos
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DAyz1lTSjPR/?igsh=MWF0MnRwNThvZ2pjeA==
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After listening to that nine club episode, he claims he started a shoes company unlike any out there…but they look exactly like last resorts… like dude just admit you stole other shoe designs
Not to mention he talks about how he stole all his future designs and brought them to every new company he jumped over to.
They kind of remind me of the diamond supply co “icon” their
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSz2tGytjWbKW8CLLb7ldnONqdOt2kPobnrCzvnS6eyjswtjEolOg0y6Jt0feTeK5zf9aVzBduuNbrpE7dEsVvp1vCJtoAX7dKBBrNVawLQL1WIQz8SDu6Rp7A)
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Look pretty clean tbh. Will wait for sale rack
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not a high bar at all but i'd rather wear these than any fallen shoe...
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After listening to that nine club episode, he claims he started a shoes company unlike any out there…but they look exactly like last resorts… like dude just admit you stole other shoe designs
Not to mention he talks about how he stole all his future designs and brought them to every new company he jumped over to.
Can’t wait to hate-listen to Jamie’s Nine Club tomorrow on the way home from work
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that hat
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.com%2FWjzC2tnnrG8AAAAM%2Fmane-im-dead.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=f03d7c8778f7a578f26ff3422c28e73ca7bc2c9b1b745dc7c2bd52e77922f119&ipo=images)
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Them shits mad ugly, if I see y’all at the park wearing these I’m stepping on your toes
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The Sadim touch
The Sadim touch is the opposite of the Midas touch. With the Midas touch, everything you touch turns to gold. With the Sadim touch, you ruin everything you touch.
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Wow. Thats a boring looking shoe
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Them shits mad ugly, if I see y’all at the park wearing these I’m stepping on your toes
https://clip.cafe/chappelles-show-2003/man-some-mark-ass-trick-just-stepped-on-sneakers/
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Them shits mad ugly, if I see y’all at the park wearing these I’m stepping on your toes
https://clip.cafe/chappelles-show-2003/man-some-mark-ass-trick-just-stepped-on-sneakers/
Robble robble
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I feel like Jamie should know the shoe market by now to essentially doing the same thing as Last Resort with no logos.
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not a high bar at all but i'd rather wear these than any fallen shoe...
I'd rather wear Cariumas, that's how much I despise the Chump.
If barefoot is also an option in that case I'd go for that.
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I hate that he got Ed to cosign on this. I believe Austin Stephens is also involved, which probably also influenced Ed's decision to do something with the brand.
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they remind me of State. There is personality laced into the brand of Last Resort by Pontus and the team. This will not have that. Just boring shoes.
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Jamie saw the resounding success of Opus Footwear a mere year ago and knew he had to have a piece of the action
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Jamie saw the resounding success of Opus Footwear a mere year ago and knew he had to have a piece of the action
Say what you will about opus, but if they make that standard mid into a cupsole, I’m bout it
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I feel like Jamie should know the shoe market by now to essentially doing the same thing as Last Resort with no logos.
It's Last Resort if Pontus thought the height of fashion was to make everything in black, gray, or white.
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Wow nine club really ran a 3 hour jamie thomas infomercial as an episode. Wonder how much he paid them
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I like simple but this shit looks devoid of life.
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I feel like Jamie should know the shoe market by now to essentially doing the same thing as Last Resort with no logos.
he turned down 50 mil for blackbox and then ran into the ground . He’s not exactly good at this stuff.
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Watched 3/4 of the nine club so far
This seems like a passion project where the desire to be creative and take a huge financial risk doesn’t align with some of story being told.
The glaringly obvious point that many people have mentioned is the existence of last resort, which organically and without any sort of weird industry push, is seemingly doing the same thing better regardless of the materials / More personality, a team, ACTUAL association with Europe (lol).
There seems to be a generational delusion here that a customer who would pass up last resort would move towards this brand just because of their high quality and tie in with different collabs and story telling.
While this seems like a cool portfolio piece and marketing experiment, I do think that this “white space” as he calls it in the industry has already been filled. Honestly I hope he succeeds because I like when skater owned companies do, but we need to be honest with what we’re being sold.
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Watched 3/4 of the nine club so far
This seems like a passion project where the desire to be creative and take a huge financial risk doesn’t align with some of story being told.
The glaringly obvious point that many people have mentioned is the existence of last resort, which organically and without any sort of weird industry push, is seemingly doing the same thing better regardless of the materials / More personality, a team, ACTUAL association with Europe (lol).
There seems to be a generational delusion here that a customer who would pass up last resort would move towards this brand just because of their high quality and tie in with different collabs and story telling.
While this seems like a cool portfolio piece and marketing experiment, I do think that this “white space” as he calls it in the industry has already been filled. Honestly I hope he succeeds because I like when skater owned companies do, but we need to be honest with what we’re being sold.
I also listened to a decent amount of this Nine Club because I hate Jamie Thomas.
Found it hilarious that he essentially described wanting to do exactly what Last Resort has already done with their product offerings (but without paying a skate team) but presented it as a novel idea and then never mentioned Last Resort during the interview and instead referenced Hours is Yours as the other company currently filling this niche. Dudes narcissism has him fully fried.
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looks like jamie thomas, matt costa, danny garcia and ??
Jake Johnson…
[checks notes]
Jack…..Johnson
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Why would anybody buy Jamies shoes, dont mean to be so mean...... with Last Resort killing it so hard (best shoe company in the industry imo).
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Someone tell him Tony Fergusons' Rone brand is already doing the premium leather shoes for older skaters thing better than Jamie ever could and he didn't need a glaringly obvious infomercial nine club to do it.
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Watched 3/4 of the nine club so far
This seems like a passion project where the desire to be creative and take a huge financial risk doesn’t align with some of story being told.
The glaringly obvious point that many people have mentioned is the existence of last resort, which organically and without any sort of weird industry push, is seemingly doing the same thing better regardless of the materials / More personality, a team, ACTUAL association with Europe (lol).
There seems to be a generational delusion here that a customer who would pass up last resort would move towards this brand just because of their high quality and tie in with different collabs and story telling.
While this seems like a cool portfolio piece and marketing experiment, I do think that this “white space” as he calls it in the industry has already been filled. Honestly I hope he succeeds because I like when skater owned companies do, but we need to be honest with what we’re being sold.
I also listened to a decent amount of this Nine Club because I hate Jamie Thomas.
Found it hilarious that he essentially described wanting to do exactly what Last Resort has already done with their product offerings (but without paying a skate team) but presented it as a novel idea and then never mentioned Last Resort during the interview and instead referenced Hours is Yours as the other company currently filling this niche. Dudes narcissism has him fully fried.
When he followed up with the whole no one’s doing artists collabs I audibly cackled .as if the majority of shoes brands haven’t been near exclusively doing collab shoes the past 4 years. This dude is so fried . If he truly went to therapy over his shit business decisions he needs to get a refund cause dude has learned absolutely nothing.
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Wow nine club really ran a 3 hour jamie thomas infomercial as an episode. Wonder how much he paid them
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Are you kidding, 9club will do anything for views. Their bar for content is embarrassingly low
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Look pretty clean tbh. Will wait for sale rack
Judging by the generic-ass looking product they’ve been showing thus far, you won’t have to wait for very long.
Rather underwhelming launch as far as product design.
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It felt like he shared how much of his own money he is putting into this to get sympathy purchases.
This brand is for people who love expensive knives and worn jeans.
Also the softgoods look nice but I’m not sure they match the feel of the brand.
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Watched 3/4 of the nine club so far
This seems like a passion project where the desire to be creative and take a huge financial risk doesn’t align with some of story being told.
The glaringly obvious point that many people have mentioned is the existence of last resort, which organically and without any sort of weird industry push, is seemingly doing the same thing better regardless of the materials / More personality, a team, ACTUAL association with Europe (lol).
There seems to be a generational delusion here that a customer who would pass up last resort would move towards this brand just because of their high quality and tie in with different collabs and story telling.
While this seems like a cool portfolio piece and marketing experiment, I do think that this “white space” as he calls it in the industry has already been filled. Honestly I hope he succeeds because I like when skater owned companies do, but we need to be honest with what we’re being sold.
I also listened to a decent amount of this Nine Club because I hate Jamie Thomas.
Found it hilarious that he essentially described wanting to do exactly what Last Resort has already done with their product offerings (but without paying a skate team) but presented it as a novel idea and then never mentioned Last Resort during the interview and instead referenced Hours is Yours as the other company currently filling this niche. Dudes narcissism has him fully fried.
When he followed up with the whole no one’s doing artists collabs I audibly cackled .as if the majority of shoes brands haven’t been near exclusively doing collab shoes the past 4 years. This dude is so fried . If he truly went to therapy over his shit business decisions he needs to get a refund cause dude has learned absolutely nothing.
Ha ha, too true! Unfortunately, therapy is only as helpful as a person is honest.
Man’s gonna have brand ideas on his deathbed. It’s not bad to be creative in that way, however Jamie is intentionally ignorant of the market and world around him. Dweeb.
He’s a workhorse, which good for him, but I feel like we get an interview about how he’s changed every five years, turned over a new leaf n all that. And then for every brand he dumps or sells of, a new one is right around the corner.
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this is coming from the guy who thought straye was a good idea yeah?
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I thought it was weird how at the start of the podcast it was core skate company and then towards the middle kept pushing being a “life style brand” or whatever and not just for skating. So is he trying to use skate shops til he doesn’t need them anymore?
He did seem to get annoyed at Chris Robert’s which I thought was funny.
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Looks like strays and last resort had an illegitimate child.
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Lol
Jamie lives in San Diego and no shop in the area is stocking his warsaws
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I ain't about to watch this dingus talk about his redundant new shoe company for three hours but he honestly thinks this is gonna take off as some sort of lifestyle brand and dudes who wear straight cut selvedge denim and beanies above their ears and own a coffee shop and collect vinyl are gonna be walking around in their Warsaw shoes and crewnecks?
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Someone tell him Tony Fergusons' Rone brand is already doing the premium leather shoes for older skaters thing better than Jamie ever could and he didn't need a glaringly obvious infomercial nine club to do it.
Never heard of it despite totally being of the demographic. Maybe they should pony up the dough for a Nine Club episode after all. :D
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Someone tell him Tony Fergusons' Rone brand is already doing the premium leather shoes for older skaters thing better than Jamie ever could and he didn't need a glaringly obvious infomercial nine club to do it.
Nah rone is pretty cool. They have nice mules and relatively decent prices for the quality. They’re a different market than straight skate shoes but have had a few skate inspired shoes, I think they did a little Koston 1 homage a few years back and more recently a collab with nb on the 1010 with higher quality materials.
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Glaringly obvious he’s taken reference from Last Resort but never mentions them and mentions Hours instead lol. Doesn’t mention the popular European brand but will happily take the name of his brand from a European city. Ew.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvWWki9jEPk
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Glaringly obvious he’s taken reference from Last Resort but never mentions them and mentions Hours instead lol. Doesn’t mention the popular European brand but will happily take the name of his brand from a Holocaust-related European city. Ew.
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
Word!
The real issue is it looks like they got weirdo ed Templeton to do a shoe.
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
that connection was made by the same people who think capital of Europe is Paris.
there is that one robot in robot wars - WAR SAW 8)
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Warsaw = waSRaw
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i mean, i don't think ian curtis was a fascist but joy division was obviously fascinated with fascist imagery so don't just rip them off for your brand in 2024 if you're not prepared for a handful of "hmm, a little weird!" comments
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
Dude, he clearly chose the name based on the Joy Divison connection. Which is drenched in reference to Nazis. The song “Warsaw” isn’t *about* WW2, it’s about Rudolf Hess’s overtures to England to join the Axis powers and subsequent imprisonment in England.
There is straight up no other reason Jamie chose that name aside from the Joy Division reference. You are out of your mind here.
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
Dude, he clearly chose the name based on the Joy Divison connection. Which is drenched in reference to Nazis. The song “Warsaw” isn’t *about* WW2, it’s about Rudolf Hess’s overtures to England to join the Axis powers and subsequent imprisonment in England.
There is straight up no other reason Jamie chose that name aside from the Joy Division reference. You are out of your mind here.
maybe he just liked the name... you know how the letters are lined up. I have the name for your hat brand - Tin foil
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
Dude, he clearly chose the name based on the Joy Divison connection. Which is drenched in reference to Nazis. The song “Warsaw” isn’t *about* WW2, it’s about Rudolf Hess’s overtures to England to join the Axis powers and subsequent imprisonment in England.
There is straight up no other reason Jamie chose that name aside from the Joy Division reference. You are out of your mind here.
(https://i.ibb.co/T0DMvZM/il-570x-N-5263589534-p8sb.jpg)
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I knew people hated Jamie Thomas a lot but damn, I didn't think I would see the day where people would insist he was a Nazi sympathizer.
I don’t think anyone thinks he’s a Nazi anymore than they think Joy Divison is a Nazi band - which is to say, not at all.
But it makes Jamie come off as blinkered, ignorant, and extremely tryhard to name his company after a 46 year-old punk song about Nazis and the holocaust and not think people would make a connection. It feels like he just likes that song and has no idea what it’s about.
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Wow nine club really ran a 3 hour jamie thomas infomercial as an episode. Wonder how much he paid them
Are you kidding, 9club will do anything for views. Their bar for content is embarrassingly low
They just hard posted in Instagram about the JT episode, i dont think its doing good. They never had to give out like an introduction of who was the person they interviewing.
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I ain't about to watch this dingus talk about his redundant new shoe company for three hours but he honestly thinks this is gonna take off as some sort of lifestyle brand and dudes who wear straight cut selvedge denim and beanies above their ears and own a coffee shop and collect vinyl are gonna be walking around in their Warsaw shoes and crewnecks?
I thought that too when I saw this post
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Little beanie workwear baggu GF coffee tote bag zine film camera vinyl workwear vest zine people
Edit: Long Beach is kinda a capital for this vibe so theres that lol lots of cool people I met from that area
I wonder when retail is gonna stop being boutique white cube succulent minimalist MCM spaces but what even is retail anymore
I wish a skater owned endeavor luck but LRABs look more polished and I’m a millennial that still likes simple vulcs which is driven by having daddy dilfs DGar and Austin involved lol so not too mad but let’s see what they got. Logo looks like one you would see on a soulless new apartment complex in any city.
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
Dude, he clearly chose the name based on the Joy Divison connection. Which is drenched in reference to Nazis. The song “Warsaw” isn’t *about* WW2, it’s about Rudolf Hess’s overtures to England to join the Axis powers and subsequent imprisonment in England.
There is straight up no other reason Jamie chose that name aside from the Joy Division reference. You are out of your mind here.
that happened during ww2, what the fuck is up with this post, you just said the same shit i did and then called me out of my mind
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
I've met him. He sucks.
I don't think anyone is saying he is a Nazi. It's the sheer stupidity of choosing a name for a brand that is very easily synonymous with the holocaust. You could choose anything, but you choose that? Dumb.
Fuck Joy Division. Nitzer Ebb forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-494QvDIE
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
Relax Jamie
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Warsaw/Joy Division is the absolute best.
Jamie, I hope somehow, some way, you get a cease & desist from Factory.
Sad to see Austin Stephens, Matt Costa & D Gar modeling this stuff……..
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
It's all unoriginal, uninspired, and boring. The last thing skating needs is another vulc shoe brand.
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When you should’ve retired on the last shred of credibility you had but instead you insist on starting yet another new brand.
I don’t need to have ever met JT to know is a fucking stupid decision and this company will go over about as well as Straye did. It deserves all the shit it gets.
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Maybe Jamie's real talent is to be a start-up incubator...
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I just think it's funny that people always say we're doing something different and it's always some vulcanized Vans rip off cuz that's what we really need one more of. Fuck Vans can't even sell Van's these days.
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has anyone mentioned that the entire reason jamie thomas started straye is because he tried to get on vans and was denied, mostly because he pissed chima off during king of the road?
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has anyone mentioned that the entire reason jamie thomas started straye is because he tried to get on vans and was denied, mostly because he pissed chima off during king of the road?
He didn't start Straye.
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Jamie is such an innovator, taking the tags off shoes WHOA CRAZY IDEA
Met the dude, he is friendly, but his kookiness shines hard. I hope this fails and he has to work in a factory making tiny beanies.
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fuck jamie thomas but this is the nth time i've seen this narrative where yall are trying to make direct connections between the name "warsaw" and the holocaust. yeah a lot of it did happen in poland and there was a concentration camp in warsaw but it was (and still is) the fucking capital so is it really that surprising that they built one there? nah this motherfucker was probably like "warsaw is a joy division song and it's also like a combination of war and saw". obviously the song itself is about ww2 but i doubt that that was why he settled on it. maybe the warsaw uprising inspired him? nah that's probably not it either, i'm almost certain it's from the joy division song.
if he really wanted the nazi vibe he'd call it kl warschau or fucking auschwitz, yall are reaching just to shit on the dude and it's not like i want to help his case but it's irritating to read, sounds like yall think it's a little village with a concentration camp in it but shit's older than the usa, there's a lot more history to it than just ww2.
the name may be a little tone-deaf but i would never make this connection in my head
Dude, he clearly chose the name based on the Joy Divison connection. Which is drenched in reference to Nazis. The song “Warsaw” isn’t *about* WW2, it’s about Rudolf Hess’s overtures to England to join the Axis powers and subsequent imprisonment in England.
There is straight up no other reason Jamie chose that name aside from the Joy Division reference. You are out of your mind here.
Yeah, that's what he said
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Saying Warsaw came to fill the hole left when Gravis left the market is a little delusional.
Also saying your target demographic is 27-55 year olds kinda means you don’t really have a target at all. More so he hopes that the brand appeals to wide enough of a group that he can move the units.
How long before this is basically Zero footwear?
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Jamie is whooped for sure but god y'all are fucking r*tarded but what can I except from a forum that censors the word r*tarded and not fuck lol. Fuck slap
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Was this your doing, Slapiverse?
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Will he sell enough that he isn't able to hand sign every single box tho I DIDNT KEEP THE BOX JAMIE I WANTED THE MAR SIG NOT YOURS GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
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Was this your doing, Slapiverse?
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What shop here is he working with? Versed?
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I enjoyed the first hour or so of this episode because he went into detail about how Circa came about etc but as soon as he started talking about his current shit I lost interest. Never thought I'd see the day where I just wear NBs and Jordan 1's but what choice have all these 'core' companies left me with
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Was this your doing, Slapiverse?
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What shop here is he working with? Versed?
In the NClub episode he listed all the shops he’s sending shoes to. Can’t remember what he said for IN.
Some of the shops are skateshops, and some are “shoe boutiques”.
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Was this your doing, Slapiverse?
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What shop here is he working with? Versed?
Some of the shops are skateshops, and some are “shoe boutiques”.
It’s honestly hilarious he made a post about not doing his due diligence when there’s a grand total of two shops in Indy. I could have let it slide if he said he was sending shoes to Rhett but he’d still be a dumbass because that’s a whole hour and a half away from Indy.
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Was this your doing, Slapiverse?
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Probably not, assuming a shop person or affiliate watched and heard the comment about his zone and relayed Jamie's words and feelings were hurt causing said rebuttal.
When you put an opinion out there without much thought expect some backlash. Especially when it's an account of zero you might be ignoring or slandering depending on how sensitive you are.
I don't expect every new brand to be for me, that's why it can be cool to see so many different options, but over the years I have seen tons of money spent to build a brand image and in 2024 it's gonna be a much different game than in the mid/late 90's or even early 2000's when he had some success.
If you want nostalgia to work it has to really be based on what was actually out at said time(reissue decks/shoes) and not just using someones name to lend you credibility. This market is insanely rough at the moment and breaking into it takes a miracle.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
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Saying Warsaw came to fill the hole left when Gravis left the market is a little delusional.
Also saying your target demographic is 27-55 year olds kinda means you don’t really have a target at all. More so he hopes that the brand appeals to wide enough of a group that he can move the units.
How long before this is basically Zero footwear?
Also a little rude when gravis is still going and basically doing what he wants to do but with a team and videos already altho it's Japanese.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
you sound like you came here from r/skateboarding
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The “X” for “anti-corporate” and yet there will be no team and these will be sold in boutiques? When people were theorizing how evil sportswear brands would operate once they’d won over enough customers for their skateboarding lines this is shit that they would dream up.
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
I've met him. He sucks.
I don't think anyone is saying he is a Nazi. It's the sheer stupidity of choosing a name for a brand that is very easily synonymous with the holocaust. You could choose anything, but you choose that? Dumb.
Fuck Joy Division. Nitzer Ebb forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-494QvDIE
Fuck yeah.
I'm going to see Front 242 in December.. can't wait
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.
Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.
Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
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So it sounds like he’s inspired by a handful of small brands and wants to dilute their success by needlessly joining the small pond to offer about the same thing
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So it sounds like he’s inspired by a handful of small brands and wants to dilute their success by needlessly joining the small pond to offer about the same thing
Average Jamie Thomas behavior.
Just like blowing it and having to apologize to shops before the brand even exists is average Jamie Thomas behavior.
Just like being so completely delusional as to compare your brand to Gravis is average Jamie Thomas behavior.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.
Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.
Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons
As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans
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Eat a dick Jamie. You really think you can do stupid shit and then just issue a half ass dead apology with the "Sending my love" crap at the end like that makes everything ok.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.
Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.
Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
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Eat a dick Jamie. You really think you can do stupid shit and then just issue a half ass dead apology with the "Sending my love" crap at the end like that makes everything ok.
He's going to be apologizing a hell of a lot more once Christine finishes telling her story, she's got receipts and all.
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So it's a hypebeast shoe company, not a skate shoe company? Okay.
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Uhhh Last Resort had a Milic and Alba on the team before shoes even hit the stores.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I was asking what the guy thought of it since its operating in a similar space right now.
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
Its called the "drip slip", like a permission slip for looking fucking good.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.
Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.
Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons
As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans
That's right! Although I think these shoes also work well with relaxed and regular-fit pants. In adult life, few people wear baggy jeans to the office or to restaurants. Gravis is a good example that a brand doesn’t necessarily have to be international or ride the current fashion wave. It's enough to have a smaller niche of people who can identify with the brand and trust it. Baggy is just a phase, and there's usually a sharp contrast between old and new trends. Next year, slim or skinny might be back in fashion, and 2000s-style shoes will look awkward with them.
What’s strange is that in Japan, people skate in the baggiest pants, and at the same time, a brand like Gravis also has its place.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
Sorry if I misunderstood. Several people commented on why JT didn't mention Last Resort or that it copies them. I misread it!
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
Sorry if I misunderstood. Several people commented on why JT didn't mention Last Resort or that it copies them. I misread it!
It doesn’t copy them, if anything they both copied vans. Last resort is like a low quality version of his shoe. Last resort clearly also copied their designs from company’s like simple and others.
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.
Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.
Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons
As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans
That's right! Although I think these shoes also work well with relaxed and regular-fit pants. In adult life, few people wear baggy jeans to the office or to restaurants. Gravis is a good example that a brand doesn’t necessarily have to be international or ride the current fashion wave. It's enough to have a smaller niche of people who can identify with the brand and trust it. Baggy is just a phase, and there's usually a sharp contrast between old and new trends. Next year, slim or skinny might be back in fashion, and 2000s-style shoes will look awkward with them.
What’s strange is that in Japan, people skate in the baggiest pants, and at the same time, a brand like Gravis also has its place.
hahaha
Just shut up already
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so is FunisLow DGar, Matt Costa, or Austin? Who else has so much invested in this brand succeeding besides Jamie?
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Gravis was cool because of dylan. Does jamie think he has the cool factor dylan had?
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).
I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...
They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.
It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.
Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.
Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons
As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans
That's right! Although I think these shoes also work well with relaxed and regular-fit pants. In adult life, few people wear baggy jeans to the office or to restaurants. Gravis is a good example that a brand doesn’t necessarily have to be international or ride the current fashion wave. It's enough to have a smaller niche of people who can identify with the brand and trust it. Baggy is just a phase, and there's usually a sharp contrast between old and new trends. Next year, slim or skinny might be back in fashion, and 2000s-style shoes will look awkward with them.
What’s strange is that in Japan, people skate in the baggiest pants, and at the same time, a brand like Gravis also has its place.
Homie save it, the company is gonna bomb.
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I always thought Last Resort was copying the 'shoes without big side brand logos' and materials vibe of Sal 23s and Dukes... except designed by
hipsters people who also like floppy unstructured Converse Chuck Taylors...
JT new shoes sound a bit like they would compete with the coffee shop / cruiser board end of Last Resort users..
Gravis Arto mid looking very ahead of its time now...
Gravis .... seemed was 1/4 an arty skate shoe umbrella for Dylan, and 1/2 a snowboard company chiller shoe brand sold on having good insoles... and 1/4 flip flops?
Wasn't the issue it was canned everywhere except Japan (where it's under the same roof as Burton snowboards) that it just wasn't popular with skaters? Who, for all their sins, go through a lot of shoes...
so if JT is trying to fill that market of 'upmarket skate/fashion crossover, not that popular with core/main skate scene... it sounds like he's on the right path!
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
I've met him. He sucks.
I don't think anyone is saying he is a Nazi. It's the sheer stupidity of choosing a name for a brand that is very easily synonymous with the holocaust. You could choose anything, but you choose that? Dumb.
Fuck Joy Division. Nitzer Ebb forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-494QvDIE
Fuck yeah.
I'm going to see Front 242 in December.. can't wait
Real ones know ...
https://youtu.be/WA2jCdlPiqM?si=HmVyZ4fuifYy1-UC&t=4301
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Doomed from the jump
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS2L3DXTu78
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Is it just me or do all of these new shoe companies seem to be really bland? Good luck to him, but I just don't see this company being successful.
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‘Sounds like you guys are copying it’
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responses in this thread are funny as hell
at least wait for the whole thing to drop before hating it
i get the JT hate though
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Btw, gravis japan only has the filter and a loafer as shoe models.
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I wanna see a review cause despite him repeating the word premium multiple times the soles on the shoes he showed on nine club look like that cheap hard rubber huf used to use . Those soles were awful and wore so badly you rub off the rubber with a finger
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(https://orchardshop.com/cdn/shop/products/Last-Resort-VM001-Hi-Suede-White-White_2000x.jpg?v=1620942276)
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ZD0qkSitR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I never took a close side by side look but wow. I get that its a basic design but even in that context it's especially similar.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
At the very least, Straye hooks up Antwuan when no one else would. He loyal to em too, so I hope they’re payin his bills well too!
They’d a crushed it at Hot Topic in 2003 tho.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
At the very least, Straye hooks up Antwuan when no one else would. He loyal to em too, so I hope they’re payin his bills well too!
They’d a crushed it at Hot Topic in 2003 tho.
Yeah they would. Probably not PacSun though…
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
The good: premium leather; basic, functional, clean design; the X (no big logo)
The bad: replicable, lots of competitors already the price: maybe too “middle ground”?
If it’s able to get hooked into a mainstream market somehow, there’s a shot it could do well…. Whether or not that D3 success within the normie crowd happens will be interesting to watch.
Maybe if he advertises in fashion and lifestyle mags. Gucci, Prada, Rolex, Warsaw.
Not sure how much it would cost, but advertising might be super important if he wants more than the used-to-skate crowd. People who don’t know who he is and what he’s done in skating, might not want to spend “only” $110 on a shoe, when for $200 more could get premium ultra fine Italian leather (just guessing prices there).
Alf has Savale, and maybe him and Jamie talked.
There is something to perceived luxury and perceived sub-optimal quality based on the price alone. (“You get what you pay for”)
We’ll see. This first year will be interesting.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
The bad: replicable, lots of competitors already the price: maybe too “middle ground”?
If it’s able to get hooked into a mainstream market somehow, there’s a shot it could do well…. Whether or not that D3 success within the normie crowd happens will be interesting to watch.
Maybe if he advertises in fashion and lifestyle mags. Gucci, Prada, Rolex, Warsaw.
Not sure how much it would cost, but advertising might be super important if he wants more than the used-to-skate crowd. People who don’t know who he is and what he’s done in skating, might not want to spend “only” $110 on a shoe, when for $200 more could get premium ultra fine Italian leather (just guessing prices there).
Alf has Savale, and maybe him and Jamie talked.
There is something to perceived luxury and perceived sub-optimal quality based on the price alone. (“You get what you pay for”)
We’ll see. This first year will be interesting.
I think hammering the luxury angle might be his best shot here. There’s a lot of skate shoe options in the hundred dollar range, what reason is there to go with Warsaw over anything else?
Pull the luxury angle, yeah, you might be on to something. The main problem I see is that none of the product seems to have any identity. If you want to make that work, your company has to have a very strong, very solid identity and I’m just not getting that right now. Honestly, from what I’ve seen it appears half baked and not thought through much, if at all.
Like you said, we’ll see. Plenty of things end up being profitable that I thought for sure would end up going nowhere. I guess the one prediction I feel confident in would be that the majority of money this company stands to make won’t be from the skateboarding crowd. But we’ll see.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
The bad: replicable, lots of competitors already the price: maybe too “middle ground”?
If it’s able to get hooked into a mainstream market somehow, there’s a shot it could do well…. Whether or not that D3 success within the normie crowd happens will be interesting to watch.
Maybe if he advertises in fashion and lifestyle mags. Gucci, Prada, Rolex, Warsaw.
Not sure how much it would cost, but advertising might be super important if he wants more than the used-to-skate crowd. People who don’t know who he is and what he’s done in skating, might not want to spend “only” $110 on a shoe, when for $200 more could get premium ultra fine Italian leather (just guessing prices there).
Alf has Savale, and maybe him and Jamie talked.
There is something to perceived luxury and perceived sub-optimal quality based on the price alone. (“You get what you pay for”)
We’ll see. This first year will be interesting.
I think hammering the luxury angle might be his best shot here. There’s a lot of skate shoe options in the hundred dollar range, what reason is there to go with Warsaw over anything else?
Pull the luxury angle, yeah, you might be on to something. The main problem I see is that none of the product seems to have any identity. If you want to make that work, your company has to have a very strong, very solid identity and I’m just not getting that right now. Honestly, from what I’ve seen it appears half baked and not thought through much, if at all.
Like you said, we’ll see. Plenty of things end up being profitable that I thought for sure would end up going nowhere. I guess the one prediction I feel confident in would be that the majority of money this company stands to make won’t be from the skateboarding crowd. But we’ll see.
that idea was tried by the original team behind last resort when they first were coming to market and it had absolutely zero support from skate shops and zero support from luxury shops. they tried to market it as lifestyle shoes made in portugal. but, luxury is drying up and a lot of those shops they approached are dead. it was a disaster for LRAB until pontus came in, and I can't see why jamie would somehow appeal to non-skaters. it's a market that you guys think exists but really doesn't.
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Lol everyone jumping the gun a bit. There's loads of these plain shoes in the "luxury" shoe world too. They won't make the slightest dent. Maybe wait and see if they even hold up after being skated a few times. They look cheap.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
The bad: replicable, lots of competitors already the price: maybe too “middle ground”?
If it’s able to get hooked into a mainstream market somehow, there’s a shot it could do well…. Whether or not that D3 success within the normie crowd happens will be interesting to watch.
Maybe if he advertises in fashion and lifestyle mags. Gucci, Prada, Rolex, Warsaw.
Not sure how much it would cost, but advertising might be super important if he wants more than the used-to-skate crowd. People who don’t know who he is and what he’s done in skating, might not want to spend “only” $110 on a shoe, when for $200 more could get premium ultra fine Italian leather (just guessing prices there).
Alf has Savale, and maybe him and Jamie talked.
There is something to perceived luxury and perceived sub-optimal quality based on the price alone. (“You get what you pay for”)
We’ll see. This first year will be interesting.
I see what you’re saying but let’s be realistic. Those luxury companies spend millions of dollars in marketing and they’ve been around for 100 years. They’re owned by billion dollar conglomerates. Unless JT somehow gets A List celebs or influencers to wear Warsaw, I don’t see him getting deep into that market. From the outside looking in it seems like the shoe market is struggling. Dunks and Jordan’s aren’t selling out instantly. You can always find NB# and Vans on sale. Sole tech is hanging on by threads. I rarely see LRAB anymore but it could be regional or a different demographic. I think Warsaw can exist but I don’t see it getting big.
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Tell me you're stupid without telling me you're stupid.
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Lol everyone jumping the gun a bit. There's loads of these plain shoes in the "luxury" shoe world too. They won't make the slightest dent. Maybe wait and see if they even hold up after being skated a few times. They look cheap.
Cheap AF.
Thin-ass sole having MFs.
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I don’t think this brand should aim for the luxury market; the shoes just don’t have that luxury feel, and I think that market is foreign to Jamie as well. It seems to me that he wants to do something more authentic with this brand.
I started skating about 20 years ago, and back then, there wasn’t an older demographic like there is now. Skate products could only be sold to the younger crowd. Those who stopped skating completely lost their connection and interest in skateboarding.
Now, there’s an older generation that has grown up and no longer skates actively, but they’re still interested in the skateboarding world: they collect shoes and boards, attend events and contests, and buy art books. This is something seen in other areas too—like sneakerheads, vinyl collectors, or NES game collectors, etc. I think this group is growing, and it’s no longer embarrassing for a 40+-year-old to tell another adult at a garden party, “Look, I don’t care about soccer, I’m into skateboarding.” This group has purchasing power, but they have their own specific preferences, and I see that Jamie is trying to target them. He’s aiming to create classic, clean, understated, high-quality, and not-too-expensive products in relatively limited quantities, and just as important, products that are collectible. The fact that he did his first collaboration with Ed really reinforces this, because Ed’s name resonates with this crowd (too). He’s from the same era as Jamie, and if I remember correctly, only Ed’s shoes will come with dust bags (for collectors), and there will be limited-edition boards as well. It’s likely that Jamie is drawing heavily on his Garage Days experience.
As for the boutiques: for a startup brand that isn’t well-known yet, and whose future depends greatly on how many products they can sell from the first drop, it’s completely understandable. Since we’re talking about a brand that’s partly lifestyle-focused, it fits well into the product range of these boutiques. This could also be a test to gauge which demographic responds best to the brand, and in the future, they can shift focus accordingly.
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why are you so passionate about this
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I don’t think this brand should aim for the luxury market; the shoes just don’t have that luxury feel, and I think that market is foreign to Jamie as well. It seems to me that he wants to do something more authentic with this brand.
I started skating about 20 years ago, and back then, there wasn’t an older demographic like there is now. Skate products could only be sold to the younger crowd. Those who stopped skating completely lost their connection and interest in skateboarding.
Now, there’s an older generation that has grown up and no longer skates actively, but they’re still interested in the skateboarding world: they collect shoes and boards, attend events and contests, and buy art books. This is something seen in other areas too—like sneakerheads, vinyl collectors, or NES game collectors, etc. I think this group is growing, and it’s no longer embarrassing for a 40+-year-old to tell another adult at a garden party, “Look, I don’t care about soccer, I’m into skateboarding.” This group has purchasing power, but they have their own specific preferences, and I see that Jamie is trying to target them. He’s aiming to create classic, clean, understated, high-quality, and not-too-expensive products in relatively limited quantities, and just as important, products that are collectible. The fact that he did his first collaboration with Ed really reinforces this, because Ed’s name resonates with this crowd (too). He’s from the same era as Jamie, and if I remember correctly, only Ed’s shoes will come with dust bags (for collectors), and there will be limited-edition boards as well. It’s likely that Jamie is drawing heavily on his Garage Days experience.
As for the boutiques: for a startup brand that isn’t well-known yet, and whose future depends greatly on how many products they can sell from the first drop, it’s completely understandable. Since we’re talking about a brand that’s partly lifestyle-focused, it fits well into the product range of these boutiques. This could also be a test to gauge which demographic responds best to the brand, and in the future, they can shift focus accordingly.
problem is that we have brands that already are off the ground and are selling almost the exact same product as War Saw. Hours and LRAB have distribution and contracts with retailers, while offering the exact same style of shoe. This isn't something that anyone was asking for nor something that fills a marketplace need. Also, in my experience, the oldheads want their stuff to be accurate to what they grew up with. All three of those identified collector groups attach nostalgia to their consumer habits, but rarely are you going find a sneakerhead buying the newest Lebron model. JT and Ed are nice guys, but they're far from enough to push a footwear company into relevancy. Luxury boutiques are NOT an option.
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why are you so passionate about this
I'm not a fan of it, maybe I just understand it and find this attempt interesting. I'm curious to see how the fate of this brand will unfold. Just because I can't fully identify with something or I'm not the target audience, it doesn't mean I will hate it or wish for it to fail. Most people try to look at this initiative from one perspective; I'm just trying to offer a different one.
Anyway, this forum would be pretty boring if everyone just agreed: I hate it! Me too! Fuckyeah!
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
The bad: replicable, lots of competitors already the price: maybe too “middle ground”?
If it’s able to get hooked into a mainstream market somehow, there’s a shot it could do well…. Whether or not that D3 success within the normie crowd happens will be interesting to watch.
Maybe if he advertises in fashion and lifestyle mags. Gucci, Prada, Rolex, Warsaw.
Not sure how much it would cost, but advertising might be super important if he wants more than the used-to-skate crowd. People who don’t know who he is and what he’s done in skating, might not want to spend “only” $110 on a shoe, when for $200 more could get premium ultra fine Italian leather (just guessing prices there).
Alf has Savale, and maybe him and Jamie talked.
There is something to perceived luxury and perceived sub-optimal quality based on the price alone. (“You get what you pay for”)
We’ll see. This first year will be interesting.
I think hammering the luxury angle might be his best shot here. There’s a lot of skate shoe options in the hundred dollar range, what reason is there to go with Warsaw over anything else?
Pull the luxury angle, yeah, you might be on to something. The main problem I see is that none of the product seems to have any identity. If you want to make that work, your company has to have a very strong, very solid identity and I’m just not getting that right now. Honestly, from what I’ve seen it appears half baked and not thought through much, if at all.
Like you said, we’ll see. Plenty of things end up being profitable that I thought for sure would end up going nowhere. I guess the one prediction I feel confident in would be that the majority of money this company stands to make won’t be from the skateboarding crowd. But we’ll see.
To be fair, when Sami had 3-3-10, as it was called, it wasnt skatefocused at all. He did have some traction in japan and such, which seems something he still nurture. Shoes was great to, have a few pairs. Really Really comfy and actually premium materials.
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Why are people buying "luxury" brands in the first place? A) to own a product made from truly luxurious materials and/or B) to show off some brand name that others recognize to be exclusive/expensive. Both options do not apply to ISUCKs new venture. The only thing that is interesting to me is that the name reads "was raw" backwards. Would be a much better brand name especially if he wants to market to older guys that reminisce about the good ol' (and potentially raw) days.
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was raw, now he's fried
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I don’t think this brand should aim for the luxury market; the shoes just don’t have that luxury feel, and I think that market is foreign to Jamie as well. It seems to me that he wants to do something more authentic with this brand.
I started skating about 20 years ago, and back then, there wasn’t an older demographic like there is now. Skate products could only be sold to the younger crowd. Those who stopped skating completely lost their connection and interest in skateboarding.
Now, there’s an older generation that has grown up and no longer skates actively, but they’re still interested in the skateboarding world: they collect shoes and boards, attend events and contests, and buy art books. This is something seen in other areas too—like sneakerheads, vinyl collectors, or NES game collectors, etc. I think this group is growing, and it’s no longer embarrassing for a 40+-year-old to tell another adult at a garden party, “Look, I don’t care about soccer, I’m into skateboarding.” This group has purchasing power, but they have their own specific preferences, and I see that Jamie is trying to target them. He’s aiming to create classic, clean, understated, high-quality, and not-too-expensive products in relatively limited quantities, and just as important, products that are collectible. The fact that he did his first collaboration with Ed really reinforces this, because Ed’s name resonates with this crowd (too). He’s from the same era as Jamie, and if I remember correctly, only Ed’s shoes will come with dust bags (for collectors), and there will be limited-edition boards as well. It’s likely that Jamie is drawing heavily on his Garage Days experience.
As for the boutiques: for a startup brand that isn’t well-known yet, and whose future depends greatly on how many products they can sell from the first drop, it’s completely understandable. Since we’re talking about a brand that’s partly lifestyle-focused, it fits well into the product range of these boutiques. This could also be a test to gauge which demographic responds best to the brand, and in the future, they can shift focus accordingly.
I think Last Resort is already well-established in the market, but I wouldn't compare these two brands because they offer completely different things, with different messages and target audiences.
Hours is closer to War Saw (even in appearance), but why can't there be two similar brands in the market? It's normal for companies to compete (so no one gets too comfortable in their position), and this forces them to offer something more or better, or to give back more to the community, for example, they support certain events, competitions, artists (like Ed), or by being more sustainable and transparent.
By the way, Hours’ models resemble dress shoes (loafers) more, while War Saw’s models seem more casual to me. It’s possible that the models of these two brands will differ even more in the future. Jamie mentioned something about wanting to create a model inspired by hiking shoes. The current models were a safe choice for him to start with. We'll see. I also agree that a luxury boutique isn't an option, that's more HRS’s territory.
What people collect and what they wear are two completely different things. People who collect decks and old shoes don’t necessarily wear Osiris D3s to work (as you can’t spot NES collectors on the street because they don’t wear Mario hats).
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Stfu Jamie
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I wish I was as passionate about anything as much as funisslow is about JT’s wack ass shoe brand
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I wish I was as passionate about anything as much as funisslow is about JT’s wack ass shoe brand
You have no idea how hard it is to stand up for this position all by myself! :D
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I don’t think this brand should aim for the luxury market; the shoes just don’t have that luxury feel, and I think that market is foreign to Jamie as well. It seems to me that he wants to do something more authentic with this brand.
I started skating about 20 years ago, and back then, there wasn’t an older demographic like there is now. Skate products could only be sold to the younger crowd. Those who stopped skating completely lost their connection and interest in skateboarding.
Now, there’s an older generation that has grown up and no longer skates actively, but they’re still interested in the skateboarding world: they collect shoes and boards, attend events and contests, and buy art books. This is something seen in other areas too—like sneakerheads, vinyl collectors, or NES game collectors, etc. I think this group is growing, and it’s no longer embarrassing for a 40+-year-old to tell another adult at a garden party, “Look, I don’t care about soccer, I’m into skateboarding.” This group has purchasing power, but they have their own specific preferences, and I see that Jamie is trying to target them. He’s aiming to create classic, clean, understated, high-quality, and not-too-expensive products in relatively limited quantities, and just as important, products that are collectible. The fact that he did his first collaboration with Ed really reinforces this, because Ed’s name resonates with this crowd (too). He’s from the same era as Jamie, and if I remember correctly, only Ed’s shoes will come with dust bags (for collectors), and there will be limited-edition boards as well. It’s likely that Jamie is drawing heavily on his Garage Days experience.
As for the boutiques: for a startup brand that isn’t well-known yet, and whose future depends greatly on how many products they can sell from the first drop, it’s completely understandable. Since we’re talking about a brand that’s partly lifestyle-focused, it fits well into the product range of these boutiques. This could also be a test to gauge which demographic responds best to the brand, and in the future, they can shift focus accordingly.
I think Last Resort is already well-established in the market, but I wouldn't compare these two brands because they offer completely different things, with different messages and target audiences.
Hours is closer to War Saw (even in appearance), but why can't there be two similar brands in the market? It's normal for companies to compete (so no one gets too comfortable in their position), and this forces them to offer something more or better, or to give back more to the community, for example, they support certain events, competitions, artists (like Ed), or by being more sustainable and transparent.
By the way, Hours’ models resemble dress shoes (loafers) more, while War Saw’s models seem more casual to me. It’s possible that the models of these two brands will differ even more in the future. Jamie mentioned something about wanting to create a model inspired by hiking shoes. The current models were a safe choice for him to start with. We'll see. I also agree that a luxury boutique isn't an option, that's more HRS’s territory.
What people collect and what they wear are two completely different things. People who collect decks and old shoes don’t necessarily wear Osiris D3s to work (as you can’t spot NES collectors on the street because they don’t wear Mario hats).
Last Resort and Hours offer the exact same hi top vulc, it's literally the same shoe that Warsaw is offering. Warsaw doesn't have any "messaging", it's just JT on a podcast for two and a half hours and a handful of Instagram posts. There isn't even a pro team. I fail to see how any of these three brands appeal to OG skate collectors other than he brought Ed Templeton in for a collab.
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Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure? I have thoughts.
It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.
Except Straye… WTF was that. Yuck.
It’s just hard for me to see this getting off the ground. The niche it’s trying to occupy is already occupied. You can try and reinvent the wheel as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you still have a wheel.
I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground? I’m sure he hopes so, but the likelihood doesn’t seem high.
We’ll have to wait and see the actual drop to see what we’re really working with, but if he doesn’t do something to set this apart, I don’t see it going anywhere.
The bad: replicable, lots of competitors already the price: maybe too “middle ground”?
If it’s able to get hooked into a mainstream market somehow, there’s a shot it could do well…. Whether or not that D3 success within the normie crowd happens will be interesting to watch.
Maybe if he advertises in fashion and lifestyle mags. Gucci, Prada, Rolex, Warsaw.
Not sure how much it would cost, but advertising might be super important if he wants more than the used-to-skate crowd. People who don’t know who he is and what he’s done in skating, might not want to spend “only” $110 on a shoe, when for $200 more could get premium ultra fine Italian leather (just guessing prices there).
Alf has Savale, and maybe him and Jamie talked.
There is something to perceived luxury and perceived sub-optimal quality based on the price alone. (“You get what you pay for”)
We’ll see. This first year will be interesting.
I see what you’re saying but let’s be realistic. Those luxury companies spend millions of dollars in marketing and they’ve been around for 100 years. They’re owned by billion dollar conglomerates. Unless JT somehow gets A List celebs or influencers to wear Warsaw, I don’t see him getting deep into that market. From the outside looking in it seems like the shoe market is struggling. Dunks and Jordan’s aren’t selling out instantly. You can always find NB# and Vans on sale. Sole tech is hanging on by threads. I rarely see LRAB anymore but it could be regional or a different demographic. I think Warsaw can exist but I don’t see it getting big.
Yeah, I think what some people are missing is that I’m being extremely generous here. To reiterate, the only way this goes anywhere is if JT gets extremely lucky. Stranger things have happened.
That being said, I see no way it happens. It’s just fun to think about the other side of it, where somehow it works out. Do I think there’s even a remote chance this works out for him? Nah, not really.
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(https://i.ibb.co/2N7sYbD/jamiethomas06a.jpg" alt="jamiethomas06a)
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I wish I was as passionate about anything as much as funisslow is about JT’s wack ass shoe brand
I wouldn’t say I’m against it. I’m just a passive observer that’s actually thinks I might really dig having a skate-adjacent shoe with premium material.
I almost pulled trigger on some Savale’s because I like shoe design and for whatever reason, maybe a psychologist or sociologist could study this in people, it’s really attractive to have a soft leather on some well designed shoes. It’s like wearing a fine crafted piece of art? That is also utilitarian? Theories….
That is all to say the shoes are alluring to an old fogey like me that has a bit of a shoe collection to cycle through the week at work whenever the desire strikes.
(Sorry, I can’t skate much or as well anymore. I have to find addictions elsewhere… so sadly I would really consider myself a “die-hard” skater. More like a “I’ll take whatever the hell I can get” skater)
Oh… and it’s kind of funny that Slap is not going to be helping sell this shoe very much. lol
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as soon as he started talking about them being targeted to the person wanting to wear a skate shoe to a wedding it instantly became cooked
I believe he mentioned wear a funeral too haha. If someone shows up to my funeral in Warsaws, I’m going to haunt them from behind the grave for the remainder of their lifetime
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met? The hyprocrysim is ripe
Relax Jamie
prof_got_jokes :P
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I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground?
Yeah but the thing about Jamie Thomas fans is that they don't wear luxury pig suede vulcanized shoes with no logos. They want Circa and Emerica reissues. You can see it all over the comments when Jamie announced the brand.
(https://i.ibb.co/2N7sYbD/jamiethomas06a.jpg" alt="jamiethomas06a)
And then in a couple years:
(https://i.imgur.com/l0nrqyh.jpeg)
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I do see people supporting it simply because it’s Jamie Thomas, but is his name really enough to bring in enough money to keep the company off the ground?
Yeah but the thing about Jamie Thomas fans is that they don't wear luxury pig suede vulcanized shoes with no logos. They want Circa and Emerica reissues. You can see it all over the comments when Jamie announced the brand.
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(https://i.ibb.co/2N7sYbD/jamiethomas06a.jpg" alt="jamiethomas06a)
And then in a couple years:
(https://i.imgur.com/l0nrqyh.jpeg)
HAHAH EXACTLY
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He mentioned that at launch he will have $250,000 into Warsaw. And he also said that that was a chunk of his savings.
At one point he received a multi million dollar deal to sell black box distribution. But he kept it core and didn’t do it. I wonder if he is kicking himself for not doing that.
I re listened to his looking sideways podcast from 2019. He mentions there that he is working on himself and not taking on any new projects. Putting time into relationships that suffered by his over doing it for all those years.
Interesting that he decided to take this on as well, coming from that self reflective standpoint.
I believe that Jamie Thomas will do anything to sell these shoes. He basically has to as he has everything wrapped up into this.
But like Watson said, everybody would like the reissues more.
I haven’t even seen all the shoes yet. Maybe I’ll grab a pair for work when they are $35.
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It's baffling to me that there's an Ed T slip-on in the launch collection. Ed is one of my favorite skaters, and I exclusively buy vegan footwear, but ANOTHER Ed T slip-on is the last thing I'm looking for from a new footwear brand.
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How much ego is involved when someone like Jamie won't step aside and let other people with better ideas start new brands?
I'm assuming the failure of Black Box still weighs heavily on him and he is looking for some redemption.
There is a lot of ego to deal with when you've been featured prominently for 3 decades in skate culture and letting go of that must be impossible.
While aspects of what he talked about have merit the overall package of Warsaw seems to be off the mark and it feels like streetwear section of the Agenda tradeshow.
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I know I'll get kooked for this but I think some people are missing what Jamie is doing with Warsaw. He’s setting it up to potentially sell in the future, learning from past experiences. He’s kept the designs minimal and knows his target market—older guys. This isn’t meant to be another Fallen, and I don’t think he'll ever have a team. It’s a boutique brand, a passion project, but he’s not attached to it long-term. He’s thinking ahead and being smart about it. He's always working and building. I admire that.
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I don’t admire anything about Jaimie Thomas or anything he’s ever been involved in. He’s a narcissistic piece of shit who has a history of being a shitty person towards his team riders (hazing) and also just being a shit person in general. His skateboarding contributions (video parts) at the time were astonishing but for myself, it’s all tarnished after learning what a piece of garbage he really was the entire time. I don’t care how good you are on a skateboard, if you’re a shit person you can go fuck yourself. Warsaw can go belly up for all I care and I’m actually rooting for that outcome.
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Met him a while back and he was very cordial to me and my kid. I hope it does well. Having said that, catering to old skaters, may not be the best strategy. When I was younger I could blow threw a pair of shoes in a month. Now being older, shoes last much longer. Additionally my old feet prefer function and support over fashion.
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I know I'll get kooked for this but I think some people are missing what Jamie is doing with Warsaw. He’s setting it up to potentially sell in the future, learning from past experiences. He’s kept the designs minimal and knows his target market—older guys. This isn’t meant to be another Fallen, and I don’t think he'll ever have a team. It’s a boutique brand, a passion project, but he’s not attached to it long-term. He’s thinking ahead and being smart about it. He's always working and building. I admire that.
I get completely what he's doing and still think its whack. And old people will do better for themselves when they realize there's a world beyond black, white, gray on basic designs (and beanies can indeed cover their ears) and they shouldn't resign themselves to that just because they are old.
I think older people for some reason think it's either condom beanie Jamie or "hi fellow kids Buscemi" ass Cab and there's no way to dress in between.
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
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I can’t imagine that this company lasts for more than a few years. That being said, I think the high tops look good & I’ll gladly cop a pair when they inevitably end up on sale.
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Remember proper footwear that works? The white high tops look good and classy and are $40.
https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com/products/cinex-mid-white
Two fish
Memphis
Beloe
State
Proper
Warsaw
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It's baffling to me that there's an Ed T slip-on in the launch collection. Ed is one of my favorite skaters, and I exclusively buy vegan footwear, but ANOTHER Ed T slip-on is the last thing I'm looking for from a new footwear brand.
yeah, I’m always the first to buy Ed’s shoes but that is just a really boring/ unoriginal idea. Maybe slim down/ deconstruct his first emerica shoe and put it on a thin cupsole or something would have been a better move.
I’m expecting less than zero from this company though so…
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I don’t admire anything about Jaimie Thomas or anything he’s ever been involved in. He’s a narcissistic piece of shit who has a history of being a shitty person towards his team riders (hazing) and also just being a shit person in general. His skateboarding contributions (video parts) at the time were astonishing but for myself, it’s all tarnished after learning what a piece of garbage he really was the entire time. I don’t care how good you are on a skateboard, if you’re a shit person you can go fuck yourself. Warsaw can go belly up for all I care and I’m actually rooting for that outcome.
I love this kind of fury.
Im not like this and i trully admire. The world needs people like you my friend.
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Remember proper footwear that works? The white high tops look good and classy and are $40.
https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com/products/cinex-mid-white
Two fish
Memphis
Beloe
State
Proper
Warsaw
Bizo
Link
Pyro
Recs
Diamond
Servant
Element
Zoo York
World Industries
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I don’t think this brand should aim for the luxury market; the shoes just don’t have that luxury feel, and I think that market is foreign to Jamie as well. It seems to me that he wants to do something more authentic with this brand.
I started skating about 20 years ago, and back then, there wasn’t an older demographic like there is now. Skate products could only be sold to the younger crowd. Those who stopped skating completely lost their connection and interest in skateboarding.
Now, there’s an older generation that has grown up and no longer skates actively, but they’re still interested in the skateboarding world: they collect shoes and boards, attend events and contests, and buy art books. This is something seen in other areas too—like sneakerheads, vinyl collectors, or NES game collectors, etc. I think this group is growing, and it’s no longer embarrassing for a 40+-year-old to tell another adult at a garden party, “Look, I don’t care about soccer, I’m into skateboarding.” This group has purchasing power, but they have their own specific preferences, and I see that Jamie is trying to target them. He’s aiming to create classic, clean, understated, high-quality, and not-too-expensive products in relatively limited quantities, and just as important, products that are collectible. The fact that he did his first collaboration with Ed really reinforces this, because Ed’s name resonates with this crowd (too). He’s from the same era as Jamie, and if I remember correctly, only Ed’s shoes will come with dust bags (for collectors), and there will be limited-edition boards as well. It’s likely that Jamie is drawing heavily on his Garage Days experience.
As for the boutiques: for a startup brand that isn’t well-known yet, and whose future depends greatly on how many products they can sell from the first drop, it’s completely understandable. Since we’re talking about a brand that’s partly lifestyle-focused, it fits well into the product range of these boutiques. This could also be a test to gauge which demographic responds best to the brand, and in the future, they can shift focus accordingly.
I think Last Resort is already well-established in the market, but I wouldn't compare these two brands because they offer completely different things, with different messages and target audiences.
Hours is closer to War Saw (even in appearance), but why can't there be two similar brands in the market? It's normal for companies to compete (so no one gets too comfortable in their position), and this forces them to offer something more or better, or to give back more to the community, for example, they support certain events, competitions, artists (like Ed), or by being more sustainable and transparent.
By the way, Hours’ models resemble dress shoes (loafers) more, while War Saw’s models seem more casual to me. It’s possible that the models of these two brands will differ even more in the future. Jamie mentioned something about wanting to create a model inspired by hiking shoes. The current models were a safe choice for him to start with. We'll see. I also agree that a luxury boutique isn't an option, that's more HRS’s territory.
What people collect and what they wear are two completely different things. People who collect decks and old shoes don’t necessarily wear Osiris D3s to work (as you can’t spot NES collectors on the street because they don’t wear Mario hats).
If you don’t see the differences, maybe this brand simply isn’t for you. Yes, all three brands have hi-top models that look similar from afar. But does that mean I have to buy Last Resort? What if I don’t like the logo, the bard identity, or the graphics of that brand? I know they make great products, but if I don’t feel connected to the brand, do I have no choice? Should I buy their shoes? In the skate shoe market, many brands have had, still have, and will have nearly identical shoes. Let’s take an example: Slip-ons. How many brands make the same model, but they don’t target the same audience?
JT mentioned that they will also release limited-edition decks (with Ed’s graphics), clearly aiming at those collectors too (you buy a deck because you collect it, and then maybe you buy a pair of shoes, a shirt, etc.). I think you misunderstood the group I was describing that Jamie is targeting, and focused only on the 'collector.' This group is willing to pay more for a product that is clean, limited, high-quality, not over-branded, and connected to skateboarding, with perhaps something extra. These are the people who start spending on items that are collectible or unique, representing a special value. They seek added value, they love connecting stories and deeper, more complex meanings to their belongings, whether it’s an expensive knife with scales made from special material, or a limited edition deck whose graphics (or the artist) have special significance for them. In other words, what’s important is: the STORY behind the product.
Jamie recognized this, which is why he talked so thoroughly about the products and brand on The Nine Club. This is why he went into detail about the design choices: the sound of the name, its origin, symmetry, the limited color palette referencing the name (Eastern Europe, gray tones). It all comes together into a big concept, a story (The 'X' stitching, which is the intersection of the two arms of the W characters). He doesn’t just throw a product at you, saying: 'Here’s another shoe, buy it!' Instead, he adds a story, giving even a product with an average look some extra value and depth (like with the ring), which may partly be marketing, but maybe it will work. This approach is typically seen in collaboration products, which often have videos and ads showing the inspiration, the significance of the colors, and the symbols used. However, Jamie applied this vision and approach to his entire brand, giving everything a meaning, a story.
People love talking about their stuff: how much they paid for it, how few were made, what it’s made of, why it’s special, what it symbolizes, what the colors refer to, and so on. In my opinion, this is a well-thought-out brand and strategy, from the name to the target audience. As a graphic designer and art director, I tip my hat. Whether there is demand for this, we’ll see. The concept, to me, is clear and coherent.
With a brand like this, the focus isn’t on how many skateboarders it sponsors or who they are, because it doesn’t try to create that (false) image or identify itself that way (lifestyle). So, it’s pointless to talk about the lack of a pro team. While with Last Resort, this was indeed crucial for credibility (as a skate shoe brand), here it’s secondary (as is the usage). I’ve written about this before: in some form, there may be 'sponsored' individuals, but I’d rather call them Ambassadors, and they’re more icons than active skaters (like Danny Garcia). Perhaps we’ll get some info on this at the launch event.
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Lol. Quit with the essays. There's no meaning or deeper story behind these shoes. They're plain thin vulcs made of dead animals.
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I don’t think this brand should aim for the luxury market; the shoes just don’t have that luxury feel, and I think that market is foreign to Jamie as well. It seems to me that he wants to do something more authentic with this brand.
I started skating about 20 years ago, and back then, there wasn’t an older demographic like there is now. Skate products could only be sold to the younger crowd. Those who stopped skating completely lost their connection and interest in skateboarding.
Now, there’s an older generation that has grown up and no longer skates actively, but they’re still interested in the skateboarding world: they collect shoes and boards, attend events and contests, and buy art books. This is something seen in other areas too—like sneakerheads, vinyl collectors, or NES game collectors, etc. I think this group is growing, and it’s no longer embarrassing for a 40+-year-old to tell another adult at a garden party, “Look, I don’t care about soccer, I’m into skateboarding.” This group has purchasing power, but they have their own specific preferences, and I see that Jamie is trying to target them. He’s aiming to create classic, clean, understated, high-quality, and not-too-expensive products in relatively limited quantities, and just as important, products that are collectible. The fact that he did his first collaboration with Ed really reinforces this, because Ed’s name resonates with this crowd (too). He’s from the same era as Jamie, and if I remember correctly, only Ed’s shoes will come with dust bags (for collectors), and there will be limited-edition boards as well. It’s likely that Jamie is drawing heavily on his Garage Days experience.
As for the boutiques: for a startup brand that isn’t well-known yet, and whose future depends greatly on how many products they can sell from the first drop, it’s completely understandable. Since we’re talking about a brand that’s partly lifestyle-focused, it fits well into the product range of these boutiques. This could also be a test to gauge which demographic responds best to the brand, and in the future, they can shift focus accordingly.
I think Last Resort is already well-established in the market, but I wouldn't compare these two brands because they offer completely different things, with different messages and target audiences.
Hours is closer to War Saw (even in appearance), but why can't there be two similar brands in the market? It's normal for companies to compete (so no one gets too comfortable in their position), and this forces them to offer something more or better, or to give back more to the community, for example, they support certain events, competitions, artists (like Ed), or by being more sustainable and transparent.
By the way, Hours’ models resemble dress shoes (loafers) more, while War Saw’s models seem more casual to me. It’s possible that the models of these two brands will differ even more in the future. Jamie mentioned something about wanting to create a model inspired by hiking shoes. The current models were a safe choice for him to start with. We'll see. I also agree that a luxury boutique isn't an option, that's more HRS’s territory.
What people collect and what they wear are two completely different things. People who collect decks and old shoes don’t necessarily wear Osiris D3s to work (as you can’t spot NES collectors on the street because they don’t wear Mario hats).
If you don’t see the differences, maybe this brand simply isn’t for you. Yes, all three brands have hi-top models that look similar from afar. But does that mean I have to buy Last Resort? What if I don’t like the logo, the bard identity, or the graphics of that brand? I know they make great products, but if I don’t feel connected to the brand, do I have no choice? Should I buy their shoes? In the skate shoe market, many brands have had, still have, and will have nearly identical shoes. Let’s take an example: Slip-ons. How many brands make the same model, but they don’t target the same audience?
JT mentioned that they will also release limited-edition decks (with Ed’s graphics), clearly aiming at those collectors too (you buy a deck because you collect it, and then maybe you buy a pair of shoes, a shirt, etc.). I think you misunderstood the group I was describing that Jamie is targeting, and focused only on the 'collector.' This group is willing to pay more for a product that is clean, limited, high-quality, not over-branded, and connected to skateboarding, with perhaps something extra. These are the people who start spending on items that are collectible or unique, representing a special value. They seek added value, they love connecting stories and deeper, more complex meanings to their belongings, whether it’s an expensive knife with scales made from special material, or a limited edition deck whose graphics (or the artist) have special significance for them. In other words, what’s important is: the STORY behind the product.
Jamie recognized this, which is why he talked so thoroughly about the products and brand on The Nine Club. This is why he went into detail about the design choices: the sound of the name, its origin, symmetry, the limited color palette referencing the name (Eastern Europe, gray tones). It all comes together into a big concept, a story (The 'X' stitching, which is the intersection of the two arms of the W characters). He doesn’t just throw a product at you, saying: 'Here’s another shoe, buy it!' Instead, he adds a story, giving even a product with an average look some extra value and depth (like with the ring), which may partly be marketing, but maybe it will work. This approach is typically seen in collaboration products, which often have videos and ads showing the inspiration, the significance of the colors, and the symbols used. However, Jamie applied this vision and approach to his entire brand, giving everything a meaning, a story.
People love talking about their stuff: how much they paid for it, how few were made, what it’s made of, why it’s special, what it symbolizes, what the colors refer to, and so on. In my opinion, this is a well-thought-out brand and strategy, from the name to the target audience. As a graphic designer and art director, I tip my hat. Whether there is demand for this, we’ll see. The concept, to me, is clear and coherent.
With a brand like this, the focus isn’t on how many skateboarders it sponsors or who they are, because it doesn’t try to create that (false) image or identify itself that way (lifestyle). So, it’s pointless to talk about the lack of a pro team. While with Last Resort, this was indeed crucial for credibility (as a skate shoe brand), here it’s secondary (as is the usage). I’ve written about this before: in some form, there may be 'sponsored' individuals, but I’d rather call them Ambassadors, and they’re more icons than active skaters (like Danny Garcia). Perhaps we’ll get some info on this at the launch event.
Thank you for sharing with us the conversation that Jamie had with his wife before starting this brand.
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@Isuck whatever you’re paying @FunisLow pay him more. & by that I mean, Jamie, pay yourself more.
and by that Jamie, I meant, permission to understand your techniques of brainwashing? Seriously, free @FunisLow
this loyalty and dedication to defending this brand that’s not even available yet is not impressive, it’s concerning. or maybe it is impressive. I don’t know why I read all of that but I’m pretty sure it was to make fun of you and for that I am ashamed of myself.
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@Isuck whatever you’re paying @FunisLow pay him more. & by that I mean, Jamie, pay yourself more.
and by that Jamie, I meant, permission to understand your techniques of brainwashing? Seriously, free @FunisLow
this loyalty and dedication to defending this brand that’s not even available yet is not impressive, it’s concerning. or maybe it is impressive. I don’t know why I read all of that but I’m pretty sure it was to make fun of you and for that I am ashamed of myself.
Thank you for your service. There was no way in hell I was reading any of that bs.
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Anything with ed Templeton involved, I ain't giving it a look, fuck that guy. I'm doubling down on last resorts now
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I ran some basic numbers off his 9club interview WITHOUT MOLD COSTS and it honestly doesn't seem sustainable. Without even ground level competition info against the companies he's inevitably competing with he would need a huge demand from buyers.
He's stating China footwear production is MOQ of 500 pairs @ $25 Cost (total including duties) = $12,500 per style/color/run.
He does 6 styles / 8 options so that runs $75k-$90k @ cost.
He would have blind bought 3,000 - 4,000 units to avoid any surcharges. Keep in mind I'm not including royalties he's saying he did in his business plan for certain models which would deplete margins.
Yet he says he does not prebook and has offered a package deal to shops... Which lets just say is 20 core shops...
That would mean his package deal insists of a size run between 12 pairs from a size run of 8-12 (full selection) totaling $1,920-3,840 per package deal. Average that out to $2,880 per shop X 20 shops = $57,600 @ Wholesale
If every shop ordered a full size run of every color / option he would have roughly 2-2.5k units he'd need to sell online.
Of course the margins are higher from ecommerce sales but starting a business with a smaller retail bases vs. ecom demand is again not sustainable and insanely risky.
No judgement aside the shoes don't look bad, but don't look great. They offer nothing I haven't seen in the market already and if I were a shop with limited budget to buy a new brand without consumer backing info I would stay far far away from taking any inventory.
TLDR; he buys 4,000 shoes for his first drop and sells 1,440 shoes to retail. He's stuck with 2,560 pairs to sell online. This is not the right business model for any new footwear brand.
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I ran some basic numbers off his 9club interview WITHOUT MOLD COSTS and it honestly doesn't seem sustainable. Without even ground level competition info against the companies he's inevitably competing with he would need a huge demand from buyers.
He's stating China footwear production is MOQ of 500 pairs @ $25 Cost (total including duties) = $12,500 per style/color/run.
He does 6 styles / 8 options so that runs $75k-$90k @ cost.
He would have blind bought 3,000 - 4,000 units to avoid any surcharges. Keep in mind I'm not including royalties he's saying he did in his business plan for certain models which would deplete margins.
Yet he says he does not prebook and has offered a package deal to shops... Which lets just say is 20 core shops...
That would mean his package deal insists of a size run between 12 pairs from a size run of 8-12 (full selection) totaling $1,920-3,840 per package deal. Average that out to $2,880 per shop X 20 shops = $57,600 @ Wholesale
If every shop ordered a full size run of every color / option he would have roughly 2-2.5k units he'd need to sell online.
Of course the margins are higher from ecommerce sales but starting a business with a smaller retail bases vs. ecom demand is again not sustainable and insanely risky.
No judgement aside the shoes don't look bad, but don't look great. They offer nothing I haven't seen in the market already and if I were a shop with limited budget to buy a new brand without consumer backing info I would stay far far away from taking any inventory.
TLDR; he buys 4,000 shoes for his first drop and sells 1,440 shoes to retail. He's stuck with 2,560 pairs to sell online. This is not the right business model for any new footwear brand.
Thanks for this breakdown.
To quote slavisme, maybe DM him like a man?
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
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Remember proper footwear that works? The white high tops look good and classy and are $40.
https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com/products/cinex-mid-white
Two fish
Memphis
Beloe
State
Proper
Warsaw
Oh man, I love proper, the rook was siiiick
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Right?
And an ugly one.
Ed cleary didnt spend too much time with this.
Thats just fucking lazy.
White one is ok tho. I like the puffy collar.
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Anything with ed Templeton involved, I ain't giving it a look, fuck that guy. I'm doubling down on last resorts now
Last week, I rolled the fuck out of my ankle skating in my Last Resort VM006s. After reading @FunisLow ’s bullshit defensive explanations of this goofy “lifestyle” brand, I plan to skate my VM006s again today and roll my ankle again with honor.
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
The collabs have a graphic. That’s Ed’s. He also has one with BK coming out and will also have a graphic. So to sum it up for you the collabs have graphics and the normal ones don’t.
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Anything with ed Templeton involved, I ain't giving it a look, fuck that guy. I'm doubling down on last resorts now
Last week, I rolled the fuck out of my ankle skating in my Last Resort VM006s. After reading @FunisLow ’s bullshit defensive explanations of this goofy “lifestyle” brand, I plan to skate my VM006s again today and roll my ankle again with honor.
Thanks man for the honor of reading my text, much appreciated! Honestly though, these comments are hilarious, totally worth it just for that :D
(and fingers crossed your ankle doesn't get wrecked)
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This dude has got to be Rkulla right?
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Anything with ed Templeton involved, I ain't giving it a look, fuck that guy. I'm doubling down on last resorts now
Last week, I rolled the fuck out of my ankle skating in my Last Resort VM006s. After reading @FunisLow ’s bullshit defensive explanations of this goofy “lifestyle” brand, I plan to skate my VM006s again today and roll my ankle again with honor.
You're lucky dude!! If you were wearing Warsaw your ankle would of snapped clean in 2. Get back out there.
Godspeed
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The story behind WarSaw is as old as time, a megalomaniac doing megalomaniac things
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I’ll just leave this here for you to look at :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSpr9PF/IMG-2036.jpg)
Sorry Jamie :P
(https://i.postimg.cc/MXJWTHXh/IMG-2037.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yGjV92x/IMG-2055.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/EcF5iMP.png)
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The only story Jamie is telling is I hate having a boss. You don’t get points for giving your brand a backstory because every brand since like 2001 has done that.
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I ran some basic numbers off his 9club interview WITHOUT MOLD COSTS and it honestly doesn't seem sustainable. Without even ground level competition info against the companies he's inevitably competing with he would need a huge demand from buyers.
TLDR; he buys 4,000 shoes for his first drop and sells 1,440 shoes to retail. He's stuck with 2,560 pairs to sell online. This is not the right business model for any new footwear brand.
You've also helped explain how Proper has the lovely Cinex on their site in a size 11 and no other size for many years. You can easily wind up getting stuck selling or sitting on the dregs of your inventory until the end of time.
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(https://i.imgur.com/EcF5iMP.png)
HAHAHAHA
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
I actually would have preferred a little orange alien or whatever Ed calls them. Like 1” high on the heel.
Like the dunk “charms”
Or the eye. Sure.
Just a nice stitching.
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
Like the dunk “charms”
Or the eye. Sure.
Just a nice stitching.
Huh? That is the eye with 6 6 pointed lighting bolts around it.
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I ran some basic numbers off his 9club interview WITHOUT MOLD COSTS and it honestly doesn't seem sustainable. Without even ground level competition info against the companies he's inevitably competing with he would need a huge demand from buyers.
TLDR; he buys 4,000 shoes for his first drop and sells 1,440 shoes to retail. He's stuck with 2,560 pairs to sell online. This is not the right business model for any new footwear brand.
You will definitely be seeing warsaw in Ross stores come holiday 2025.
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
Like the dunk “charms”
Or the eye. Sure.
Just a nice stitching.
Huh? That is the eye with 6 6 pointed lighting bolts around it.
Forgive me.
I’m mumbling through text.
I’m saying the eye on the shoe is fine. Sure. I just prefer smaller and nicely stitched with color.
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I’ll just leave this here for you to look at :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSpr9PF/IMG-2036.jpg)
Must be nice not paying his riders.
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Is anything more played out than the "all seeing eye" imagery? Oooooh it's so esoteric, man!
(https://i.ibb.co/FhxfqvD/IMG-8800.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Even though these shoes aren't exciting, glad to see a skater owned, home grown brand pop up. At least someone is trying? I'm gonna give JT some time to sort it out but won't be purchasing this drop.
What I'd like to see is a better logo/brand identity/brand story. Also hoping the next few drops will be more exciting with some better colorways, etc. Thinking this first drop is just introducing the silhouettes and feel of the shoe hence the black and white colors.
He mentioned on the nine club his attention to the insole which i think is cool. for example everyone buys those hideous On Running and Hoka shoes because of the comfort over Nike, vans, etc.
Biggest thing for me on all this is seeing cooler branding. In theory War Saw is a cool name but I can't get over it sounding like a Polish brand. And the logo is boring looking. Understated is good but I don't care much if the brand identity doesn't excite me.
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If it's hot enough to take your shirt off it's too hot to wear a beanie
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I too love Last Resort’s and the VM001 have been both the skate & lifestyle shoe of choice right here for years.
I don’t love reading anything about the company per se but those are some great regular ass shoes.
The shoes in the above photos look as stupid as a shirtless Jamie Thomas marketing them.
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Why the baby + dong tattoo on his shoulder?
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Jamie 31G Thomas
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I find it funny that he fancies himself the sole designer for this brand. Every single thing about this brand is uninspired and amateur, but JT attempts to obfuscate this via the crutch of "minimalism". There is nothing original that jumps out about this brand. Each product he offers already exists in multiple forms and price-points in the market already. His "story" angle that revolves around artists feels to me like a poor man's version of RVCA's Artist Network Program known for working with artists and musicians (including Ed Templeton)
- The logo is similar to any vector minimal logo you'd pull off a stock image website. It also reminds me of a rotated version of the Matix logo.
- He brags about stealing tech packs and former work from real designers; and yet the shoe design is unoriginal, bland, and while I appreciate the lack of gaudy logos there is no real defining feature that separates these in a sea of sameness.
- The fleece looks like he snagged some blanks from Independent Trading or LA apparel and had some logos embroidered onto them. Talking about how the French Terry is not pre-washed like it's some kind of design feature was laughable.
- The chino pants are the most generic "I'm starting a skate clothing brand" go to. Think of the hole in the market for black and olive green chino pants. You can't find those anywhere, nobody makes them. Then to top it off he adds spandex to them, channeling more of that Matix energy. I am sure he just stole the specs and fit from Roark and is trying to pass them off as some revolutionary product.
- The headwear pieces are blanks that he took to a local embroidery shop or whatever to have his logo added and label sewn in. I am sure there is a ton of demand for a black acrylic rib cuff beanie with a label. Surely nothing like this exists in the market currently.
- The colour palette. I get it you're going for the minimal monochromatic thing, but at least if the brand had some kind of signature color you may have a better chance of building equity and brand recognition in the market.
Sorry for the long winded post I probably overanalyzed this more than I needed to.
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(https://i.imgur.com/WFPZxZ8.jpeg)
Cool idea for a company, Chief.
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Actual story of the brand is Jamie Thomas needs to make retirement money.
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If it's hot enough to take your shirt off it's too hot to wear a beanie
Too right, good sir or madam.
However, in this case temperature was NOT a mitigating factor.
Rather, Ed had invited one Mr. William Strobeck over to get a preview of the 1st drop and, well…
Let’s just say that things progressed from there in typical Strobeck fashion & next thing you know, it’s shirts off & cameras out.
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Who's Jamie Thomas?
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(https://i.imgur.com/EcF5iMP.png)
I needed this so bad today.
Thank you
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I’ll just leave this here for you to look at :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSpr9PF/IMG-2036.jpg)
He got his chest cross lazered off too. Must've come to the realization that thinking you are Jesus is actually blasphemy. God never forgets, Jamie.
Needed to make room for the Jamie Thomas’ Chest x Misfits collab
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I don’t believe for a second the shoes aren’t just rebranded Straye shoes and there is no way the quality is any different based on the pics I’ve seen.
This would also line up with everything else being a re-branded blank as I doubt Jamie has done any of ground work to set up any sort of manufacturing for this brand.
I also suspect this is just another investment/brand for Angel Cabada and a “silent” expansion of the Straye brand… but I obviously could be wrong.
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Only for glorified bodies. MORE PLASTIC! So you think he smells like Bologna or cabbages?
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I’ll just leave this here for you to look at :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSpr9PF/IMG-2036.jpg)
He got his chest cross lazered off too. Must've come to the realization that thinking you are Jesus is actually blasphemy. God never forgets, Jamie.
Needed to make room for the Jamie Thomas’ Chest x Misfits collab
Is that a fucking tattoo of Lady Justice on his arm?!
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The baby with a dong is the smoking cherub from the cover of Van Halen 1984 and Lady Justice is the Pushead illustration from the cover of Metallica's And Justice for All...
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Bun them and bun them essays. I’m predicting fail, much like the rest of Jamie Thomas’ endeavours in building brands.. we don’t need a US version Of Last resort son
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Gold everywhere in here guys, great job.
Definitely my current fav thread
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The baby with a dong is the smoking cherub from the cover of Van Halen 1984 and Lady Justice is the Pushead illustration from the cover of Metallica's And Justice for All...
Pushead didn't do the any of the Metallica cover art (except the Cliff 'Em All VHS video). The ...And Justice for All cover was painted by Stephen Gorman. And that isn't what the forearm tattoo is of. It's just some christian saint angel or something.
I really like ...And Justice for All. Couldn't care less about a new sneaker brand.
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Can't say am a fan of the shoes I've seen, Look really bland.
Did Have a question though. Jamie Thomas seems to get alot of hate, just wanted to know why??
Always been a fan since welcome to hell of the dudes skating and after watching his nine club episode a few years back he seems like a sound guy. Wondering what I am missing?
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"I'm back baby!!!"
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The baby with a dong is the smoking cherub from the cover of Van Halen 1984 and Lady Justice is the Pushead illustration from the cover of Metallica's And Justice for All...
Pushead didn't do the any of the Metallica cover art (except the Cliff 'Em All VHS video). The ...And Justice for All cover was painted by Stephen Gorman. And that isn't what the forearm tattoo is of. It's just some christian saint angel or something.
I really like ...And Justice for All. Couldn't care less about a new sneaker brand.
I had never heard Stephen Gorman's name before you mentioned it but I see that every metal website out there has an article on his contribution to the AJFA cover art. To add to my Mandela effect timeline, I'm nearly positive that the 3 singles from AJFA have cover art by Pushead but I no longer have access to the liner notes on those and the wiki entries repeat the info from the album. I only ever owned Eye of the Beholder for Breadfan though. I will simply say it all sure does look like Brain Schroeder's work and I can't find any art anywhere else by Stephen Gorman other that what might be nature photography if I've got the right guy.
I love that album too and rode my bike to the mall to buy the tape either the day of or week of release. Nowadays I prefer And Justice for Jason IV because I think that's where they would've wound up if Lars hadn't been an inexplicable asshat during the mixing sessions.
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(https://i.imgur.com/adpWL5d.png)
"I'm back baby!!!"
Hahaha ahhh ok, preachy with his beliefs?
Suppose that's the curse of technology. Before social media and podcasts we only saw who the person was through their skating
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launched yesterday. I wonder how well it did in this shoe economy
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Can't say am a fan of the shoes I've seen, Look really bland.
Did Have a question though. Jamie Thomas seems to get alot of hate, just wanted to know why??
Always been a fan since welcome to hell of the dudes skating and after watching his nine club episode a few years back he seems like a sound guy. Wondering what I am missing?
If you do some digging on here it’s not hard to find a laundry list of reasons he gets hate. Also a myriad of interviews/podcasts telling stories about how much he sucks. A very large portion of the skate industry doesn’t like JT, it makes you wonder why. Also doesn’t help he still has a huge boner for James Cole
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Can't say am a fan of the shoes I've seen, Look really bland.
Did Have a question though. Jamie Thomas seems to get alot of hate, just wanted to know why??
Always been a fan since welcome to hell of the dudes skating and after watching his nine club episode a few years back he seems like a sound guy. Wondering what I am missing?
If you do some digging on here it’s not hard to find a laundry list of reasons he gets hate. Also a myriad of interviews/podcasts telling stories about how much he sucks. A very large portion of the skate industry doesn’t like JT, it makes you wonder why. Also doesn’t help he still has a huge boner for James Cole
Funnily enough after one of the previous comments I spotted the "similar topics" at the bottom and delved into the Jamie Thomas rabbit hole lol.
It's a shame dude has some questionable luggage he's carrying about because his skating has always been a good watch.
Sucks to think there's skaters in the industry who are phenomenal on their board but act shitty off it. Suppose that's the nature of humans.
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Even though these shoes aren't exciting, glad to see a skater owned, home grown brand pop up. At least someone is trying? I'm gonna give JT some time to sort it out but won't be purchasing this drop.
What I'd like to see is a better logo/brand identity/brand story. Also hoping the next few drops will be more exciting with some better colorways, etc. Thinking this first drop is just introducing the silhouettes and feel of the shoe hence the black and white colors.
He mentioned on the nine club his attention to the insole which i think is cool. for example everyone buys those hideous On Running and Hoka shoes because of the comfort over Nike, vans, etc.
Biggest thing for me on all this is seeing cooler branding. In theory War Saw is a cool name but I can't get over it sounding like a Polish brand. And the logo is boring looking. Understated is good but I don't care much if the brand identity doesn't excite me.
In Polish it would be Warszawa. Which ruins Jamie’s pun.
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Why explore the limitless creative potential of a logo for your new and exciting brand and business venture when you can just put together 2 triangles upside down?
The dude has made a career of the bare minimum and taking the work of other people. He's never been creative, he's always been more of a "DJ". He takes existing shit and tweaks it a little and genuinely believes he did something special.
Skulls, misfits, Jesus, triangles, last resort. Fallen shoes offered absolutely nothing new to the market either. Mystery was the "Heart Supply" of Blackbox. Sick riders but so little effort went into it. Looked like a price point brand. Heart and lightening bolts! Black and white!
Jamie is like the dude at a county fair who waits for a trend to pop then makes a tee shirt of it to sell to people. Like the people who sell print-on-demand Hawk Tuah girl meme shirts or something.
The idea that he thinks Warsaw is some classy brand or design or aesthetic, or ever will be, is fucking hilarious. Nothing will ever top gravis in that department until someone who knows what they are doing decides to do it.
Jamie is a 50 year old with ZERO actual fashion sense or knowledge of fashion. His style on a skateboard is such trash. He knows nothing about style. He wears a beanie halfway up his head. If you are wearing sneakers to a wedding you are already a kook. Grow up a little bit when the occasion calls for it. Have some class and get a nice pair of shoes.
"Oh shit I have a wedding to go to next month and I need everyone there to know I skate, better go buy some WARSAWS!"
Even if that aesthetic was possible with Jamie, the logo and name already don't work for it. Nothing classy or dressy or stylish about any of it. Branding 101.
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Why explore the limitless creative potential of a logo for your new and exciting brand and business venture when you can just put together 2 triangles upside down?
The dude has made a career of the bare minimum and taking the work of other people. He's never been creative, he's always been more of a "DJ". He takes existing shit and tweaks it a little and genuinely believes he did something special.
Skulls, misfits, Jesus, triangles, last resort. Fallen shoes offered absolutely nothing new to the market either. Mystery was the "Heart Supply" of Blackbox. Sick riders but so little effort went into it. Looked like a price point brand. Heart and lightening bolts! Black and white!
Jamie is like the dude at a county fair who waits for a trend to pop then makes a tee shirt of it to sell to people. Like the people who sell print-on-demand Hawk Tuah girl meme shirts or something.
The idea that he thinks Warsaw is some classy brand or design or aesthetic, or ever will be, is fucking hilarious. Nothing will ever top gravis in that department until someone who knows what they are doing decides to do it.
Jamie is a 50 year old with ZERO actual fashion sense or knowledge of fashion. His style on a skateboard is such trash. He knows nothing about style. He wears a beanie halfway up his head. If you are wearing sneakers to a wedding you are already a kook. Grow up a little bit when the occasion calls for it. Have some class and get a nice pair of shoes.
"Oh shit I have a wedding to go to next month and I need everyone there to know I skate, better go buy some WARSAWS!"
Even if that aesthetic was possible with Jamie, the logo and name already don't work for it. Nothing classy or dressy or stylish about any of it. Branding 101.
Damn he crying in every thread.
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Wasnt the mystery logo taken from detroit rock city?
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I'm starting to get the impression this guy might not be the bess business brains in the business.
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Why explore the limitless creative potential of a logo for your new and exciting brand and business venture when you can just put together 2 triangles upside down?
The dude has made a career of the bare minimum and taking the work of other people. He's never been creative, he's always been more of a "DJ". He takes existing shit and tweaks it a little and genuinely believes he did something special.
Skulls, misfits, Jesus, triangles, last resort. Fallen shoes offered absolutely nothing new to the market either. Mystery was the "Heart Supply" of Blackbox. Sick riders but so little effort went into it. Looked like a price point brand. Heart and lightening bolts! Black and white!
Jamie is like the dude at a county fair who waits for a trend to pop then makes a tee shirt of it to sell to people. Like the people who sell print-on-demand Hawk Tuah girl meme shirts or something.
The idea that he thinks Warsaw is some classy brand or design or aesthetic, or ever will be, is fucking hilarious. Nothing will ever top gravis in that department until someone who knows what they are doing decides to do it.
Jamie is a 50 year old with ZERO actual fashion sense or knowledge of fashion. His style on a skateboard is such trash. He knows nothing about style. He wears a beanie halfway up his head. If you are wearing sneakers to a wedding you are already a kook. Grow up a little bit when the occasion calls for it. Have some class and get a nice pair of shoes.
"Oh shit I have a wedding to go to next month and I need everyone there to know I skate, better go buy some WARSAWS!"
Even if that aesthetic was possible with Jamie, the logo and name already don't work for it. Nothing classy or dressy or stylish about any of it. Branding 101.
Guess that makes 2 of us, or maybe, all of us here.
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Sigh. I just saw the logo. War Saw with 2/3s of a Volk knot.
Something for the 40 something’s who miss the iron cross I guess
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WS. White and Soggy
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The baby with a dong is the smoking cherub from the cover of Van Halen 1984 and Lady Justice is the Pushead illustration from the cover of Metallica's And Justice for All...
Pushead didn't do the any of the Metallica cover art (except the Cliff 'Em All VHS video). The ...And Justice for All cover was painted by Stephen Gorman. And that isn't what the forearm tattoo is of. It's just some christian saint angel or something.
I really like ...And Justice for All. Couldn't care less about a new sneaker brand.
He did almost of their t shirts, there is a lot to say about the james hetfield/danzig history with pushead and zorlac and skateboards too. I feel like you are googling.
Cool side note james did most of the back up vocals on earth ad..
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I tried the nine club interview. I work in supply chain. It's really sad how he explains business end of things. I feel like jamie might have help with doing these brands. He is not running fallen or Warsaw by himself. It's just not feasible. Furthermore, the breakdown of the brand and aesthetics is all good, but basically he is selling an overpriced, [insert cheapest shoe any brand offers] shoe. I wish him all the best. I don't have the time or desire, but last resort is probably same factory. Just odd to venture into the highest risk venture speaking like that. But if I was 21 I'd probably be stoked. Lol nine club really showing how business works. Lol.
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I tried the nine club interview. I work in supply chain. It's really sad how he explains business end of things. I feel like jamie might have help with doing these brands. He is not running fallen or Warsaw by himself. It's just not feasible. Furthermore, the breakdown of the brand and aesthetics is all good, but basically he is selling an overpriced, [insert cheapest shoe any brand offers] shoe. I wish him all the best. I don't have the time or desire, but last resort is probably same factory. Just odd to venture into the highest risk venture speaking like that. But if I was 21 I'd probably be stoked. Lol nine club really showing how business works. Lol.
He is not running Fallen or involved in any way fyi
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I tried the nine club interview. I work in supply chain. It's really sad how he explains business end of things. I feel like jamie might have help with doing these brands. He is not running fallen or Warsaw by himself. It's just not feasible. Furthermore, the breakdown of the brand and aesthetics is all good, but basically he is selling an overpriced, [insert cheapest shoe any brand offers] shoe. I wish him all the best. I don't have the time or desire, but last resort is probably same factory. Just odd to venture into the highest risk venture speaking like that. But if I was 21 I'd probably be stoked. Lol nine club really showing how business works. Lol.
LRAB is made in vietnam, War Saw is made in china, so it's gotta be a different factory.
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My Adidas come from Vietnam
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I’ll just leave this here for you to look at :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSpr9PF/IMG-2036.jpg)
Sorry Jamie :P
(https://i.postimg.cc/MXJWTHXh/IMG-2037.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yGjV92x/IMG-2055.jpg)
Looks as good at 50 as I did in my absolute prime sigh
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MT is painful to look at
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"The valknut has seen some use by White supremacists. The Anti-Defamation League notes that "nonracist pagans may also use this symbol, so one should carefully examine it in context rather than assume that a particular use of the symbol is racist."
I wonder if Jamie keeps that note in his dashboard.
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Maaaaaaan, ain't nobody gonna buy these fuckin shoes.
"Warsaw" ? wtf? A shoe brand named after a city that you aren't even from?
Get real.
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Now I can’t help but wonder if the same person who designed the Omit logo also designed this Warsaw logo…
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Actual story of the brand is Jamie Thomas needs to make retirement money.
The best way to make retirement money is to commit your savings to a brand that'll be dead on arrival
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I've spent many long years defending JT after seeing him crush a one man demo in 1993. I still think he looks awesome on a board, and has one of a kind style. Now that he's started his 17th brand with quasi christian/white nationalist/nazi vibes, I'm over it.
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“would gnar”
The ratings at the bottom put it over the top. Dead at work right now
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Glad to have served brother.
Also in other JT news, has it been discussed here that he got his ‘Jesus Saves’ crucifix tatt lasered off? Chief of god?
(https://i.ibb.co/C1VZV26/6-DA871-A0-DAF2-4-E9-E-B30-D-7-EC9-C396-BFE0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ngQvQCB)
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My Adidas come from Vietnam
I need to hear that shit!
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
The collabs have a graphic. That’s Ed’s. He also has one with BK coming out and will also have a graphic. So to sum it up for you the collabs have graphics and the normal ones don’t.
Doesn’t Emerica release this exact same shoe once a year for Leo or Collin provost, which inevitably end up on the sale rack months after their release?
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i would rather skate world or habitat than this garbage, fuck it give me some duffs
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
The collabs have a graphic. That’s Ed’s. He also has one with BK coming out and will also have a graphic. So to sum it up for you the collabs have graphics and the normal ones don’t.
LOL! It’s the Winkowski pro model.
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I think he’s referring specifically to the Toy Machine/Ed illustrations @Lou Strux but they def looks similar in shape to the Winkowski shoe
(which btw looks pretty good in that brown and black sole color way)
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Coming Spring 2025:
"Pearl Harbor" apparel
"Waco" wheels
"Hiroshima" hardware
Coming Fall 2025:
"Genocide" griptape
"Nine Eleven" trucks
"Schindler's" bearings
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he kept on reiterating the point that he wanted to make understated simple shoes that one could wear to a nice dinner reservation or wedding but the black high top has a pretty big garish logo right on the ankle area, doesn't exactly scream subtlety to me
(https://i.imgur.com/VknB49q.png)
Haven’t seen the shoes.
I thought that was a Bunt logo?!?
The collabs have a graphic. That’s Ed’s. He also has one with BK coming out and will also have a graphic. So to sum it up for you the collabs have graphics and the normal ones don’t.
give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to spend his $350K savings to recreate the Emerica Winkowski pro model and you feed him for a lifetime.
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Coming Spring 2025:
"Pearl Harbor" apparel
"Waco" wheels
"Hiroshima" hardware
Coming Fall 2025:
"Genocide" griptape
"Nine Eleven" trucks
"Schindler's" bearings
Maybe using the font of the SS on a brand would be a good idea too
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The theme of this shoe is obviously owning the libs.
Who ever is doing these logos is obsessed the imaginary of confused ass white resistance movements throughout history.
I might go gather all the evidence later. It’s kinda a weak ass target that’s going nowhere anyway
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Dude some pal should view the Soviet gulag tattoo books. View the images then put the logos from his brand on old shirtless so the world can see what these logos actually are.
I’m willing to bet that he’s on this no corporate logos, X on the side of the shoe shit because he found out six months ago where his art guy was getting this shit from
This is ALL nazi shit
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No doubt the depth of the naming was thinking the words War and Saw are cool & tough with the bonus of it being some place
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I saw a meme with the ho top and the Nike sb bruin hi and they are literally the exact same shoes.
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Bluetile did a vid on the shoes a few days ago, probably the first unboxing video from a shop. they don't look horrible, the upper material actually looks decent. it's lined with the same outer material. kept referring to it as "pig suede" but it looked to me like nubuck. nothing special with the insole/outsole, but he does seem to be doing the little things right. metal eyelet for the top, elastic tongue keepers, decent amount of padding. but I can already tell that it's not going to be breathable at all on foot, it just has small little holes at the back. the more time that passes the less I hate the actual shoe. it's coming in at $110, which is a lot, but it's not the worst design in the world. it's just very, very boring. all of it is boring.
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Dude some pal should view the Soviet gulag tattoo books. View the images then put the logos from his brand on old shirtless so the world can see what these logos actually are.
I’m willing to bet that he’s on this no corporate logos, X on the side of the shoe shit because he found out six months ago where his art guy was getting this shit from
This is ALL nazi shit
I gave a pass on the Mystery logo because I figured it was just a coincidence, just a design choice for the S to be like that but two instances of of Nazi/Runic symbols is too much of a coincidence.
Don’t wanna profile but a 50 year old white guy from Alabama having at least 2 very suspicious WS similar logos seems to be too on the nose to just be happenstance. Also the shoes look like shit, how many shoe companies is he gonna start/help start? This makes 4
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I saw a meme with the ho top and the Nike sb bruin hi and they are literally the exact same shoes.
Pinko Payless kid.
I mean, if we were just trying to take out Nike I’d be down with this shit’ but what the fuck?
Why play wsn peekaboo? Who you leaving breadcrumbs for?
I’m pretty bummed.
How much longer are we going to have to endure. “You know what looked cool?
What looked cool JT’s art directioner?!?
The SS. Yeah that’s how we stand out. Let’s dress like like Rudolph Hess! Yoooooo you wanna hear the story of rudi and his flight to Scotland?
No thanks Mr str(A)y. Way too my anarchic energies here. I gotta go Tommy. I GOTTA GO
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I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but a Warsaw is a big ugly grouper, that’s dumb as hell and lives really deep in the ocean.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z6PztZG/F0-C97-B1-F-C0-B6-4326-972-B-AA0897-DAB695.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNXh3vB)
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I gave a pass on the Mystery logo because I figured it was just a coincidence, just a design choice for the S to be like that but two instances of of Nazi/Runic symbols is too much of a coincidence.
not to be arbitrary. he stole the mystery name and logo from detroit rock city, which the logo was for a kiss cover band. kiss has always used the ss style s's despite having jewish members, except in germany where they use different s's.
doesn't help his stealing logos or creating suspect logos reputation.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
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Bluetile did a vid on the shoes a few days ago, probably the first unboxing video from a shop. they don't look horrible, the upper material actually looks decent. it's lined with the same outer material. kept referring to it as "pig suede" but it looked to me like nubuck. nothing special with the insole/outsole, but he does seem to be doing the little things right. metal eyelet for the top, elastic tongue keepers, decent amount of padding. but I can already tell that it's not going to be breathable at all on foot, it just has small little holes at the back. the more time that passes the less I hate the actual shoe. it's coming in at $110, which is a lot, but it's not the worst design in the world. it's just very, very boring. all of it is boring.
$110 for a basic vulc shoe is insane
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JzhkBdjz/temp-Image-MO46mz.avif) (https://postimg.cc/4mrdDP8D)
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^lol gnarred, took me a minute to even realize what was going on there
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i just got an ig ad for the emerica spanky high and it seems to hit the mark that warsaw is aiming for, and is under $100
(https://emerica.com/cdn/shop/files/Em-FA24-SpankHi-Post-04_2048x.jpg?v=1727828559)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JzhkBdjz/temp-Image-MO46mz.avif) (https://postimg.cc/4mrdDP8D)
OMG that’s what I’m talking about hahhahahahhahaha!
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(https://i.ibb.co/cvNL869/4-F3-E1349-8012-4-D21-9-AD6-24-D174-B8-C7-D5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ctn29by)
Thomas of Finland
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JzhkBdjz/temp-Image-MO46mz.avif) (https://postimg.cc/4mrdDP8D)
Holy shit hahaha
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
Did that shit have a (a) in it too?
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Ahaha RHCP one is so good.
(https://i.imgur.com/ppdWc41.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/8e7cUs8.jpeg)
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Jamie is a kook but claiming he's a nazi is a comically large stretch. He's not racist, he's just generally a fuckwit
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Ahaha RHCP one is so good.
(https://i.imgur.com/ppdWc41.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/8e7cUs8.jpeg)
Good old potato Jesus
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i just got an ig ad for the emerica spanky high and it seems to hit the mark that warsaw is aiming for, and is under $100
(https://emerica.com/cdn/shop/files/Em-FA24-SpankHi-Post-04_2048x.jpg?v=1727828559)
these don't look like hundred dollar shoes, even taking inflation into account
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i just got an ig ad for the emerica spanky high and it seems to hit the mark that warsaw is aiming for, and is under $100
(https://emerica.com/cdn/shop/files/Em-FA24-SpankHi-Post-04_2048x.jpg?v=1727828559)
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
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Jamie is a kook but claiming he's a nazi is a comically large stretch. He's not racist, he's just generally a fuckwit
I’m not claiming anything like that. Im saying he’s robbing the imagery from there.
You know cuz all of skating is way way more left than right he was like no ones buying this anarchy shit I’ve been fronting on anymore. They know I’m a poser. Maybe if I. And that other shit that looks like a cross too ok?
I mean why is it so hard to think damn he bit zero from sp. maybe he’s ripping off all his shit from a and b to make hot topic art
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I’m could just dig up all the source materials and or use links pics and quotes to hammer skin it home but why?
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I’m could just dig up all the source materials and or use links pics and quotes to hammer skin it home but why?
you're referencing the Valknut?
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Pretty wild how there are literally hundreds of skateboarding brands of all kinds, yet the ones Jamie does continually run into these issues with their questionable names and logos.
Man, he sure has "bad luck" with all these white supremacy-related "coincidences" happening to him.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
I don't want to be a $lave of his business
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
Don't forget Pixar.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
he backed himself into a wall here cuz he really wanted to seem deeper than he is, he stole it from Joy Division then knew he was gonna get called on it so he made a different back story, you can hear in the Nine Club where he's trying to decided what story to tell, the real one or the fake one, and he knows that people are gonna know it came from Joy Division so he came clean but then added to the back story.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
This ^
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Jamie is just an OG edgelord that loves to fail and use it as a story for his next interview
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Don’t forget Pixar. Front salad, back salad, front blunt.
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im not fallen for this
zero interest in those pebble catchers
Wonder if they come in a black box
Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery
I wouldn't wear these shoes to a monster truck rally, much less a wedding
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
Fully agree with you. Not arguing or disagreeing with the points in this thread. I think we are all feeling similar and adding on observations and thoughts. Do I think Jamie is a NAZI? No. Do I think he purposely chooses imagery that has been appropriated by hate groups, No.
He is a moron who steals ideas, doesn't do research, doesn't learn from his mistakes and possibly in that sociaopath realm of thinking it is all ok and he is invincible or some shit. I can't possibly imagine being as uncreative as him when there are so many opportunities to be creative instead of stealing everything.
But what I really canot fathom is this. If i were to start a brand, let's take Mystery since it was so long ago. If I were to start a brand and people informed me that my logo can be linked to the SS and the Holocaust. I would be fucking mortified and it would be changed immediately. I think most normal people would be mortified and deeply apologetic. and especially more careful moving forward.
Maybe some people wouldn't be as mortified about getting called out on ripping off Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss, Detroit Rock City, etc. But many also would and perhaps change their trajectory for how they get "inspiration" for brands too after.
So you have this dude, who has more of these types of incidents or issues or coincidences with sketchy logos and names than anyone in skateboarding has ever had, yet he keeps going. He doesn't research what he is doing, he doesn't try and improve or steer clear. Warsaw is a pretty easy one to know might be a problem. Especially if you are basing it off music you love so much, you know it's ties to the Holocaust. A normal person would be so much more careful moving forward.
So the question really is why does he persist? Why doesn't he change his course? Apologize? Do more research? Ask around? Anything? Does he ever feel weird or bad? Does he ever feel foolish? I'm not into forced apologies or even cancelling but its perplexing how brazen or clueless or both that he is.
Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up. maybe i missed something but i also think anyone here calling anyone "righteous" in an insulting way is pot calling the kettle black to the fullest extent.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
Fully agree with you. Not arguing or disagreeing with the points in this thread. I think we are all feeling similar and adding on observations and thoughts. Do I think Jamie is a NAZI? No. Do I think he purposely chooses imagery that has been appropriated by hate groups, No.
He is a moron who steals ideas, doesn't do research, doesn't learn from his mistakes and possibly in that sociaopath realm of thinking it is all ok and he is invincible or some shit. I can't possibly imagine being as uncreative as him when there are so many opportunities to be creative instead of stealing everything.
But what I really canot fathom is this. If i were to start a brand, let's take Mystery since it was so long ago. If I were to start a brand and people informed me that my logo can be linked to the SS and the Holocaust. I would be fucking mortified and it would be changed immediately. I think most normal people would be mortified and deeply apologetic. and especially more careful moving forward.
Maybe some people wouldn't be as mortified about getting called out on ripping off Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss, Detroit Rock City, etc. But many also would and perhaps change their trajectory for how they get "inspiration" for brands too after.
So you have this dude, who has more of these types of incidents or issues or coincidences with sketchy logos and names than anyone in skateboarding has ever had, yet he keeps going. He doesn't research what he is doing, he doesn't try and improve or steer clear. Warsaw is a pretty easy one to know might be a problem. Especially if you are basing it off music you love so much, you know it's ties to the Holocaust. A normal person would be so much more careful moving forward.
So the question really is why does he persist? Why doesn't he change his course? Apologize? Do more research? Ask around? Anything? Does he ever feel weird or bad? Does he ever feel foolish? I'm not into forced apologies or even cancelling but its perplexing how brazen or clueless or both that he is.
Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up. maybe i missed something but i also think anyone here calling anyone "righteous" in an insulting way is pot calling the kettle black to the fullest extent.
If nobody told him/he didn't listen when they said that making another shoe brand was a terrible idea, why would anyone's input matter when it comes to the name, logo, or marketing?
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
Fully agree with you. Not arguing or disagreeing with the points in this thread. I think we are all feeling similar and adding on observations and thoughts. Do I think Jamie is a NAZI? No. Do I think he purposely chooses imagery that has been appropriated by hate groups, No.
He is a moron who steals ideas, doesn't do research, doesn't learn from his mistakes and possibly in that sociaopath realm of thinking it is all ok and he is invincible or some shit. I can't possibly imagine being as uncreative as him when there are so many opportunities to be creative instead of stealing everything.
But what I really canot fathom is this. If i were to start a brand, let's take Mystery since it was so long ago. If I were to start a brand and people informed me that my logo can be linked to the SS and the Holocaust. I would be fucking mortified and it would be changed immediately. I think most normal people would be mortified and deeply apologetic. and especially more careful moving forward.
Maybe some people wouldn't be as mortified about getting called out on ripping off Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss, Detroit Rock City, etc. But many also would and perhaps change their trajectory for how they get "inspiration" for brands too after.
So you have this dude, who has more of these types of incidents or issues or coincidences with sketchy logos and names than anyone in skateboarding has ever had, yet he keeps going. He doesn't research what he is doing, he doesn't try and improve or steer clear. Warsaw is a pretty easy one to know might be a problem. Especially if you are basing it off music you love so much, you know it's ties to the Holocaust. A normal person would be so much more careful moving forward.
So the question really is why does he persist? Why doesn't he change his course? Apologize? Do more research? Ask around? Anything? Does he ever feel weird or bad? Does he ever feel foolish? I'm not into forced apologies or even cancelling but its perplexing how brazen or clueless or both that he is.
Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up. maybe i missed something but i also think anyone here calling anyone "righteous" in an insulting way is pot calling the kettle black to the fullest extent.
Anyone left in Jamie's circles are fully sycophantic or dick riding for some odd reason. No way anyone said it was a bad idea to his face. As for the rest, true, but again this is coming from the public, hundreds/thousands of people. Seems like it would be so embarrassing to be constantly affiliated / call out for using white supremacist -related imagery and profiting off it. But again, true sociopaths/narcissists don't really feel shame or embarrassment and they often feel they are above the "laws" of society, that they are an exception.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom. People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom". also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom. People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom". also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.
Kinda my point. Not difficult to avoid this shit but he keeps doing it. No one needs to say "master" just like no one needs a brand to be named Warsaw just like a logo doesn't need to be something that white supremacists use. Jamie will never know what its like to be a black man and feel the way you do. But given his position in skateboarding and the fact that he is profiting from it and the fact that its happened before he could at least make a little fucking effort to avoid things that might make others uncomfortable or even make them have to think about the dark pasts related to their race or ethnicity, etc. Instead he's just fine being like "oh fuck it it looks so cool and I need to steal everything from music and I don't mean it 'that way' so who cares about anyone else"
as a white person who is empathic towards anyone who is the victim of racism i dont want to see any of it either. its just so fucking crazy that he can't figure all this out. or maybe he just has no feelings unless they are about himself.
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I'll just addendum my own shit and say that i guess if you are out there banging tommy g's girl, sponsoring dudes you have seen screenshots of doing pedo shit online, protecting and paying and abusers while ignoring the abuser's victims pleas for help, perhaps your moral compass is too fucked to even comprehend any sort of racial tolerance within branding.
its not that we don't know the answers, its just baffling that he continues being that dude no matter what.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom. People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom". also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.
Kinda my point. Not difficult to avoid this shit but he keeps doing it. No one needs to say "master" just like no one needs a brand to be named Warsaw just like a logo doesn't need to be something that white supremacists use. Jamie will never know what its like to be a black man and feel the way you do. But given his position in skateboarding and the fact that he is profiting from it and the fact that its happened before he could at least make a little fucking effort to avoid things that might make others uncomfortable or even make them have to think about the dark pasts related to their race or ethnicity, etc. Instead he's just fine being like "oh fuck it it looks so cool and I need to steal everything from music and I don't mean it 'that way' so who cares about anyone else"
as a white person who is empathic towards anyone who is the victim of racism i dont want to see any of it either. its just so fucking crazy that he can't figure all this out. or maybe he just has no feelings unless they are about himself.
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I'll just addendum my own shit and say that i guess if you are out there banging tommy g's girl, sponsoring dudes you have seen screenshots of doing pedo shit online, protecting and paying and abusers while ignoring the abuser's victims pleas for help, perhaps your moral compass is too fucked to even comprehend any sort of racial tolerance within branding.
its not that we don't know the answers, its just baffling that he continues being that dude no matter what.
Im late to this thread discussion but yeah naming your company slave or warsaw is some lame shit...I didn't even stop to think he was naming it after a polish city and immediately thought warsaw pact
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Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up.
Why do we always have to have the same "no one? Who? Me?" song and dance before fessing up to it, Robbo?
OT - Chief's a twat and shoes are Asos level at worst/Pull & Bear level at best.
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Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up.
Why do we always have to have the same "no one? Who? Me?" song and dance before fessing up to it, Robbo?
OT - Chief's a twat and shoes are Asos level at worst/Pull & Bear level at best.
Man i have no idea what youre on about but i agree JT is a twat.
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He’s the kind of person i think would invite you to their birthday party then expect you to pay for anything you eat or drink
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JT should've been cancelled a long time ago
This loser should’ve been cancelled years ago when he copied/stole goat legend Jason Adams’ Label Kills part intro/intro music and used the exact same thing for his Dying to Live part intro.
Nothing original about this dude - it’s all in his head. Hopefully there’s a Misfits x Jesus x Warsaw collab on the way…
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He’s the kind of person i think would invite you to their birthday party then expect you to pay for anything you eat or drink
What do you think the Shoe Release x 50th Birthday collab was for?
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I’m loving all the hate here. Loving it. Keep it going. Jaimie Thomas can suck it, Degeneration X style.
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Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up.
Why do we always have to have the same "no one? Who? Me?" song and dance before fessing up to it, Robbo?
Man i have no idea what youre on about...
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom. People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom". also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.
Kinda my point. Not difficult to avoid this shit but he keeps doing it. No one needs to say "master" just like no one needs a brand to be named Warsaw just like a logo doesn't need to be something that white supremacists use. Jamie will never know what its like to be a black man and feel the way you do. But given his position in skateboarding and the fact that he is profiting from it and the fact that its happened before he could at least make a little fucking effort to avoid things that might make others uncomfortable or even make them have to think about the dark pasts related to their race or ethnicity, etc. Instead he's just fine being like "oh fuck it it looks so cool and I need to steal everything from music and I don't mean it 'that way' so who cares about anyone else"
as a white person who is empathic towards anyone who is the victim of racism i dont want to see any of it either. its just so fucking crazy that he can't figure all this out. or maybe he just has no feelings unless they are about himself.
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I'll just addendum my own shit and say that i guess if you are out there banging tommy g's girl, sponsoring dudes you have seen screenshots of doing pedo shit online, protecting and paying and abusers while ignoring the abuser's victims pleas for help, perhaps your moral compass is too fucked to even comprehend any sort of racial tolerance within branding.
its not that we don't know the answers, its just baffling that he continues being that dude no matter what.
Im late to this thread discussion but yeah naming your company slave or warsaw is some lame shit...I didn't even stop to think he was naming it after a polish city and immediately thought warsaw pact
Maybe he will go the lakai route and all the models will be named after cities in Poland.
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JAMIE THOMAS YOU ARE A FAT LOSER AND YOU HAVE BODY ODOR
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.
The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"
The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.
Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.
Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson. The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing.
Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact. It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie.
Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much. Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama. We really think he has any historical grasp?
I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom. People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom". also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.
Kinda my point. Not difficult to avoid this shit but he keeps doing it. No one needs to say "master" just like no one needs a brand to be named Warsaw just like a logo doesn't need to be something that white supremacists use. Jamie will never know what its like to be a black man and feel the way you do. But given his position in skateboarding and the fact that he is profiting from it and the fact that its happened before he could at least make a little fucking effort to avoid things that might make others uncomfortable or even make them have to think about the dark pasts related to their race or ethnicity, etc. Instead he's just fine being like "oh fuck it it looks so cool and I need to steal everything from music and I don't mean it 'that way' so who cares about anyone else"
as a white person who is empathic towards anyone who is the victim of racism i dont want to see any of it either. its just so fucking crazy that he can't figure all this out. or maybe he just has no feelings unless they are about himself.
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I'll just addendum my own shit and say that i guess if you are out there banging tommy g's girl, sponsoring dudes you have seen screenshots of doing pedo shit online, protecting and paying and abusers while ignoring the abuser's victims pleas for help, perhaps your moral compass is too fucked to even comprehend any sort of racial tolerance within branding.
its not that we don't know the answers, its just baffling that he continues being that dude no matter what.
Im late to this thread discussion but yeah naming your company slave or warsaw is some lame shit...I didn't even stop to think he was naming it after a polish city and immediately thought warsaw pact
Maybe he will go the lakai route and all the models will be named after cities in Poland.
It’s a big country. He’ll have Lodz of options
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Remember when he posted here and everybody kissed his ass?
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I actually only remember him posting here and people being pretty confrontational to him.
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Mexican Spainard set him straight
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He’s the kind of person i think would invite you to their birthday party then expect you to pay for anything you eat or drink
This unironically happened to me about a year ago with a friend. He invited me, his friends and several co-workers to a restaurant and then kept going on that we all had to eat $1,000 worth of food or they would charge him and his wife for the remainder of the minimum. My bill came out to $40 for a half pounder burger and a shitty mocktail.
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
I'm kind of surprised no one's mentioned Ben Horton being the founder of $lave under Black Box. I'm a big fan of the dude's art.
"Slave Skateboards (styled as $lave Skateboards), owned by former Black Box artist Ben Horton, was launched under the distribution company in 2007. The brand's debut full-length video, Radio-Television, premiered in September 2009."
Here's a link to an article that touches on it: https://memoryscreened.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/confessions-of-a-lave-driver/
"What’s the meaning behind the name?
It can really be whatever you want. The general idea is that most people are a “slave” to something. Whether it’s substance addiction, television, an occupation, society’s demands, etc. That’s why I used the dollar sign for the “S”. Because money is one of the most influential factors in a society that determines how much freedom a person has or doesn’t have. I realize that “Slavery” typically describes people keeping other people as legal property and forcing them to live a certain way and therefore making them into personal slaves.
But that is only one aspect of the word “slave”. For $LAVE Skateboards it’s about the other side of the word “slave” that refers to people being controlled by or dependent on something or society as a whole. And therefore reminding us to always pay attention to that and to continue to preserve whatever freedoms we have, while striving for more.
My point is, we need to keep an eye on what freedoms we are sacrificing.If we don’t, that line at the airport security area is only going to get longer. And your personal belongings in your bag and your home are going to become more and more public.
Haha, that was a small rant, good thing nobody is reading this!"
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WAS//RAW would of been a better name
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
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As others have probably said, I think the guy has a huge ego, wants to redeem himself for the failure of "Fallen," is greedy and wants to stay relevant in the skateboard industry.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Well put, I can appreciate that as well.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
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$lave > anything Jamie Thomas has ever done or been apart of
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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.
isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?
And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"
I'm kind of surprised no one's mentioned Ben Horton being the founder of $lave under Black Box. I'm a big fan of the dude's art.
"Slave Skateboards (styled as $lave Skateboards), owned by former Black Box artist Ben Horton, was launched under the distribution company in 2007. The brand's debut full-length video, Radio-Television, premiered in September 2009."
Here's a link to an article that touches on it: https://memoryscreened.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/confessions-of-a-lave-driver/
"What’s the meaning behind the name?
It can really be whatever you want. The general idea is that most people are a “slave” to something. Whether it’s substance addiction, television, an occupation, society’s demands, etc. That’s why I used the dollar sign for the “S”. Because money is one of the most influential factors in a society that determines how much freedom a person has or doesn’t have. I realize that “Slavery” typically describes people keeping other people as legal property and forcing them to live a certain way and therefore making them into personal slaves.
But that is only one aspect of the word “slave”. For $LAVE Skateboards it’s about the other side of the word “slave” that refers to people being controlled by or dependent on something or society as a whole. And therefore reminding us to always pay attention to that and to continue to preserve whatever freedoms we have, while striving for more.
My point is, we need to keep an eye on what freedoms we are sacrificing.If we don’t, that line at the airport security area is only going to get longer. And your personal belongings in your bag and your home are going to become more and more public.
Haha, that was a small rant, good thing nobody is reading this!"
With their gimmick it’s pretty easy to tell what they mean with the name of the brand. As a black guy, I’ve never felt comfortable buying their products or wearing a shirt that says $lave on it, but I did have a couple Goemann boards back in the early 10s.
I no longer think JT is a racist, I think I agree with the consensus that he’s a GenX edgelord idiot who isn’t told “No” enough. Maybe a bit tone deaf too since he’s 50 and in a bubble.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Sheep is actually ABD
It was a price point shoe brand spun off of Etnies in '97
Kind of a sick name though, I would ride a $heep board too.
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I always liked Sergei Trudnowski’s part in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-_t0Auzyw (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-_t0Auzyw&pp=ygUXU2hlZXAgc2VyZ2VpIHRydWRub3dza2k%3D)
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I’m loving all the hate here. Loving it. Keep it going. Jaimie Thomas can suck it, Degeneration X style.
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Can this be a thread about the Vince McMahon Documentary? He has done his own fair share of fucked up shit, but at least he brought us Wrestlemania 3
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I wish ellios pizza would steal little John’s from the windows to the wall for commercial.
Dig it
425 12 minute bake time
Gonna get it in me one more time
ELLIOS ELLOIS ELLIOS!
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Sheep is actually ABD
It was a price point shoe brand spun off of Etnies in '97
Kind of a sick name though, I would ride a $heep board too.
Probably the closest you’ll get ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Sheep is actually ABD
It was a price point shoe brand spun off of Etnies in '97
Kind of a sick name though, I would ride a $heep board too.
Don’t remember it being price point more than Vegan. The Sheep Ed’s at least were priced like a normal shoe
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Sheep is actually ABD
It was a price point shoe brand spun off of Etnies in '97
Kind of a sick name though, I would ride a $heep board too.
Don’t remember it being price point more than Vegan. The Sheep Ed’s at least were priced like a normal shoe
It was supposed to be Price Point but whatever the material they used for the vegan shoes and I think canvas have higher tariffs then suede and leather, so the shoes actually ended up costing more on the back end. I worked at a skate shop then and I think another part of their failure was Sole Tech had 4 companies running at that time and unless you were like a mail order shop that's a lot of shoes to stock, I think my shop would carry Accels then 1-2 ES pro models 2 basic Emericas and maybe 1 sheep shoe. I'm gonna say most of Sole tech was propped up on sales of Accels at the time, Sheep just added more payroll really. I also seem to remember there was some crossover shoes that were made on both brands and that was also kinda confusing for customers
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Sheep is actually ABD
It was a price point shoe brand spun off of Etnies in '97
Kind of a sick name though, I would ride a $heep board too.
Don’t remember it being price point more than Vegan. The Sheep Ed’s at least were priced like a normal shoe
It was supposed to be Price Point but whatever the material they used for the vegan shoes and I think canvas have higher tariffs then suede and leather, so the shoes actually ended up costing more on the back end. I worked at a skate shop then and I think another part of their failure was Sole Tech had 4 companies running at that time and unless you were like a mail order shop that's a lot of shoes to stock, I think my shop would carry Accels then 1-2 ES pro models 2 basic Emericas and maybe 1 sheep shoe. I'm gonna say most of Sole tech was propped up on sales of Accels at the time, Sheep just added more payroll really. I also seem to remember there was some crossover shoes that were made on both brands and that was also kinda confusing for customers
sheep should have just been a special branding for vegan shoes that is shared across brands. I think that's actually close to what they're doing nowadays. market was somewhat limited back then for vegan, especially compared with now. they had pretty sick marketing in retrospect. One of those little oddities that always comes to mind. What other brands did you guys have come and go?
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“Worse-off”
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I'll order a pair Monday for R&D
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I'll order a pair Monday for R&D
You just bought Jamie an “M” for his next Misfits tattoo. Just need six more buyers and he’ll be in business…
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Thinking of pitching a brand to Jamie called it "Adolf".
But it's not named after THAT Adolf, you know, Hitler, instead its named after Adolf Brand who was a German writer and pioneering campaigner for the acceptance of male bisexuality and homosexuality.
Shouldn't be too problematic.
Will probably use the Swastika as a logo but the intent will be the old swastika, the one from before WW2 and the Nazis that meant "good luck".
Totally harmless. Its the intent that matters, guys.
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Mexican Spainard set him straight
Fairly positive he still has a grudge with me
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Thinking of pitching a brand to Jamie called it "Adolf".
But it's not named after THAT Adolf, you know, Hitler, instead its named after Adolf Brand who was a German writer and pioneering campaigner for the acceptance of male bisexuality and homosexuality.
Shouldn't be too problematic.
Will probably use the Swastika as a logo but the intent will be the old swastika, the one from before WW2 and the Nazis that meant "good luck".
Totally harmless. Its the intent that matters, guys.
You are definitely not taking this far enough.
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Warsaw is an anagram of “worst shoes I ever saw”.
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Warsaw is an anagram of “worst shoes I ever saw”.
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You just bought Jamie an “M” for his next Misfits tattoo. Just need six more buyers and he’ll be in business…
this assumes he can spell misfits...
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Outragers versus just a bunch of guys who aren’t going to buy the shoes…..
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Outragers versus just a bunch of guys who aren’t going to buy the shoes…..
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Sheep is actually ABD
It was a price point shoe brand spun off of Etnies in '97
Kind of a sick name though, I would ride a $heep board too.
Don’t remember it being price point more than Vegan. The Sheep Ed’s at least were priced like a normal shoe
It was supposed to be Price Point but whatever the material they used for the vegan shoes and I think canvas have higher tariffs then suede and leather, so the shoes actually ended up costing more on the back end. I worked at a skate shop then and I think another part of their failure was Sole Tech had 4 companies running at that time and unless you were like a mail order shop that's a lot of shoes to stock, I think my shop would carry Accels then 1-2 ES pro models 2 basic Emericas and maybe 1 sheep shoe. I'm gonna say most of Sole tech was propped up on sales of Accels at the time, Sheep just added more payroll really. I also seem to remember there was some crossover shoes that were made on both brands and that was also kinda confusing for customers
Sheep might’ve worked in her back in like 94 he could’ve ripped off minor threat.
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Yo I heard It was old minor threat photos in the mag that got the stripe back on the vans so obviously some pow there
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Has anyone heard stories about shops getting or having to take shoes they didnt want as part of their warsaw buy? shops are already laughing at the whole thing. destined to bomb
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I’ll take the most generic shoe company of all time for 1000 Alex.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DBSdV15pWUg/?igsh=MWk4Y3VvYjYxbGt1NA==
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he really revolutionized the shoe game
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I’ll take the most generic shoe company of all time for 1000 Alex.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DBSdV15pWUg/?igsh=MWk4Y3VvYjYxbGt1NA==
Can't be too bright if you spent all that money on R&D trips to China and this was the result. Could have just bought a Straye or emerica or Cons slip for $60 and kept the other $49,940.
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I’ll take the most generic shoe company of all time for 1000 Alex.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DBSdV15pWUg/?igsh=MWk4Y3VvYjYxbGt1NA==
Can't be too bright if you spent all that money on R&D trips to China and this was the result. Could have just bought a Straye or emerica or Cons slip for $60 and kept the other $49,940.
Geez no one, tell us how you really feel?
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I’ll take the most generic shoe company of all time for 1000 Alex.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DBSdV15pWUg/?igsh=MWk4Y3VvYjYxbGt1NA==
Can't be too bright if you spent all that money on R&D trips to China and this was the result. Could have just bought a Straye or emerica or Cons slip for $60 and kept the other $49,940.
Geez no one, tell us how you really feel?
“Who’s no one?!?”
-Too Young for Slappies
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It all seems like a joke.
Especially the lows.
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Shit looks wack.
Feel bad for the shops and people he called and begged to carry these.
He’s about 5 years too late from this being a trend - these are Alexander McQueen ripoffs that peaked before people knew what an N95 mask was.
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"Hold up, let me pull my pants up real quick to show you my $100 slip ons."
Save yourself some dough and just buy the Lakai Owen. Practically the exact same shoe for less.
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/WHITESLIPONS.jpg?v=1715714933&width=3000)
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303 had the shoes and pants. Neither were impressive in person.
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Someone might have mentioned it before but the more I see of these the more they remind me of those generic-ass inexpensive shoes they sell at H&M… but three times the price. Last Resort or even (and it pains me to say this) Hours is Yours have much more pizzazz.
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"Hold up, let me pull my pants up real quick to show you my $100 slip ons."
Save yourself some dough and just buy the Lakai Owen. Practically the exact same shoe for less.
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/WHITESLIPONS.jpg?v=1715714933&width=3000)
The Owen has a midsole too at a lower cost.
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"Hold up, let me pull my pants up real quick to show you my $100 slip ons."
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/WHITESLIPONS.jpg?v=1715714933&width=3000)
I already have a boring-ass, plain white, suede pair of slip-ons that I picked up brand new from the manu for $24.99 USD, shipped & THEY come w/ a nice cupsole & a G6 pour-in midsole & G6 insole; I think I’ll pass on these.
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These are just last resorts and you can’t convince me otherwise
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I would fuck with the Ed slip-ons for sure. However, this is mainly because there aren't many good vegan options for skate shoes out there at the moment.
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These are just last resorts and you can’t convince me otherwise
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These are just last resorts and you can’t convince me otherwise
Dont trash on lrab by saying these are the same.
at least they have a good brand name. If I ever buy another pair, it would because it's my last resort. garbage brand.
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Smells like haters in here
Weird…SLAP is known globally as a hater-free zone so this disappoints to hear.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Or $3XY?
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If his premise was naming the brand after a Joy Division reference, JT really missed a trick by not calling his new shoe co. Stiff Kittens.
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Should've called it Atrocity Exhibition
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I would fuck with the Ed slip-ons for sure. However, this is mainly because there aren't many good vegan options for skate shoes out there at the moment.
If you don’t mind Sole Tech, there’s a vegan Marana from Etnies, which is the same price as the slip-on. There is also canvas Half Cabs for the first time for $90. Synthetic #440 are still out for $80. Vans just put out a herringbone Authentic High for $80, and older seasons of decon Crocketts in canvas can be found for $45-60. If you really want a slip-on, Vans put one out in canvas that is the same color as the Half Cab, and go for $60-70. You didn’t look very hard if you think $100 slip-ons are the best option available.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Or $3XY?
It was pointed out to me a while ago that all of the original Tesla models actually spell out S3XY.
Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y.
Do what you want with that information.
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Or $3XY?
It was pointed out to me a while ago that all of the original Tesla models actually spell out S3XY.
Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y.
Do what you want with that information.
checks out. sex sells. the gangly nerds that drive those think they're hot shit but make huge salaries and wear chanclas everywhere
I don't like the name Warsaw please change it and the shoes look like default EA skate create a character shoes. the shoes really aren't bad mostly fun to talk shit lol
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So dumb "don't think of the typical meaning of slave, think of it the other way...and that's $lave"
Cool.
Valid opinion, but I respectfully disagree with the viewpoint it's lame. I think Heroin and $lave are some of the sickest brands with the coolest art direction. Skateboarding is as addictive as a drug, and we are all kind of slaves in a capitalistic society if you're not at the top. I appreciate the existentialism in the concepts. It's where my teenage angst blossomed into.
Then why not use $heep...$lave just sounds lame as fuck
Or $3XY?
It was pointed out to me a while ago that all of the original Tesla models actually spell out S3XY.
Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y.
Do what you want with that information.
They wanted to do a model e but ford has the trademark and wouldnt sell the rights.
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S3XY CYBER TRUCK you mean
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
Points against Fos for not including the screaming woman’s face on the hand gripping the knife
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
I think this speaks more to the issue that most people completely lost interest in Zero 15 plus years ago…
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He should have called it SawWar. Sounds sick
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He should have called it SawWar. Sounds sick
So like a 3 year old pronouncing Sour
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
Points against Fos for not including the screaming woman’s face on the hand gripping the knife
Toy Machine has a Hoban deck out with this graphic as well
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
Points against Fos for not including the screaming woman’s face on the hand gripping the knife
Toy Machine has a Hoban deck out with this graphic as well
Sad to see all these brands are so “creatively bankrupt”
(https://www.sourceskate.com/cdn/shop/files/e709ba82-f3ca-4d02-a23e-914c6a0ce4a6_720x.jpg?v=1718111999)
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
Points against Fos for not including the screaming woman’s face on the hand gripping the knife
Toy Machine has a Hoban deck out with this graphic as well
Sad to see all these brands are so “creatively bankrupt”
(https://www.sourceskate.com/cdn/shop/files/e709ba82-f3ca-4d02-a23e-914c6a0ce4a6_720x.jpg?v=1718111999)
Meanwhile, Slap Donkeys crying:
"We don't need another board company!"
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He’s limiting comments on the Warsaw account . He knows he’s fucked and the brand is a lrab rip off. What a fucking pussy
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It's obviously just a coincidence all 3 of those graphics are eerily similar to each other. Take off the tinfoil hats you conspiracy theorists. I mean, one's a pumpkin, one's an egg, and one's a cyclops. Totally different.
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He’s limiting comments on the Warsaw account . He knows he’s fucked and the brand is a lrab rip off. What a fucking pussy
Skateboarding's biggest fraud, imitator, bully, coward. Rivals Berra for the worst dude in skate ever.
Serious question. Do you think JT still actually thinks he is the almighty Chief from 2004-era and he thinks he can make shops buy into all kinds of product they don't want and tell lies and have everyone believe him and kiss his ass like the old days? Or do you think he knows he isn't but is trying to front like he is?
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every brand being talked about in here sucks shit
Bahaha EVERYONE is sleeping on onCloud
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(https://i.imgur.com/IvpU1ng.jpeg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/IvpU1ng.jpeg)
Jesus Christ some of these comparisons 🙄.
One has a Nike logo and the other clearly doesn’t!
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(https://i.ibb.co/KsvyBgG/IvpU1ng.jpg)
totally perfect for a wedding. no logos or anything.
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(https://i.imgur.com/IvpU1ng.jpeg)
That’s embarrassing. Really shows just how pathetic this ‘brand’ is
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Selling 100$+ vulc shoes in 2024 doesn't seem like the most brilliant idea.
What can you offer that Big corpo/Vans/LARB don't already sell cheaper and with probably the same quality or better?
I'm sure he could make cleaner/slimmer fallens/c1rca cups kind of shoes and it would sell better.
Someone said the idea must be to resell the brand after a couple years, maybe the idea is to offer inoffensive designs and try to sell it in some boutiquee shops.
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What does the next season of this brand look like? He’s done the basic mid, low, and slip and talked about how he wants to keep the colors basic black & white mono.
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I genuinely can't tell if you guys don't know that's the Halloween movie poster.
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I genuinely can't tell if you guys don't know that's the Halloween movie poster.
HAHAHAHA 🙌
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One has a Nike logo and the other clearly doesn’t!
When I first saw them I saw Cons
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I genuinely can't tell if you guys don't know that's the Halloween movie poster.
At least the Heroin and Toy Machine ones are illustrative versions that add their own flavor. The Zero is just a straight rip.
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One has a Nike logo and the other clearly doesn’t!
When I first saw them I saw Cons
saw Con deez nutz!!!
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I genuinely can't tell if you guys don't know that's the Halloween movie poster.
At least the Heroin and Toy Machine ones are illustrative versions that add their own flavor. The Zero is just a straight rip.
What did YOU do last night?
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One has a Nike logo and the other clearly doesn’t!
When I first saw them I saw Cons
saw Con deez nutz!!!
HA!
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One has a Nike logo and the other clearly doesn’t!
When I first saw them I saw Cons
saw Con deez nutz!!!
HA!
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Her: So who do you ride for?
Me:
(https://i.ibb.co/jMq6HGc/FECB8-FB7-7746-4939-AB2-F-5-E8-F9-B3805-BF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jMq6HGc)
(https://i.ibb.co/9c4sCRY/17-FBFBFF-1-D6-B-4-C71-9-BB8-B5-EEF7-C1-AA5-A.png) (https://ibb.co/9c4sCRY)
(https://i.ibb.co/Jm1XXDG/DE2-B2683-BB71-42-DE-BA9-D-51-EC012-EC03-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jm1XXDG)
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He's selling shoes on consignment at the launch of this lol. Not a good sign of whats to come.
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Could you imagine getting cold called by Jamie Thomas
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Could you imagine getting cold called by Jamie Thomas
Everybody got to eat.
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Shit's more DOA than Ian Curtis
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every brand being talked about in here sucks shit
Nuh uhhh
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Whenever Ed sells signed, limited decks via the toy machine site they sell out pretty quick. Five days in all 3 Warsaw signed decks are still available. Rough.
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maybe it's because ed is doing that occassionally. signing shit has basically been jamie's whole business model in the last 5 years. you can buy pretty much every single zero board off their website with a queef signature for a mere $40 upcharge or something like that.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
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That’s embarrassing. Really shows just how pathetic this ‘brand’ is
What if I told you most of the clothing company all have the exact same clothes except for the logo and patterns? Have you noticed how much your T-Shirt looks like everyone else’s with your sleeves and stuff?
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every brand being talked about in here sucks shit
Bahaha EVERYONE is sleeping on onCloud
Cheaply made flimsy shit sold for expensive retail prices. More popular than they should be rather than slept on.
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every brand being talked about in here sucks shit
Bahaha EVERYONE is sleeping on onCloud
Ok do me a favor and drop the subject. My partner came to me and said she wanted a pair for her birthday, and I said "oh yeah absolutely" because she never wants any shoes. She gave me the name of them after trying them on and I went to buy them. A HUNDRED AND NINTY DOLLARS.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
“To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy”
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
Are you flagging dom or sub?
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That’s embarrassing. Really shows just how pathetic this ‘brand’ is
What if I told you most of the clothing company all have the exact same clothes except for the logo and patterns? Have you noticed how much your T-Shirt looks like everyone else’s with your sleeves and stuff?
What if I told you the sky is blue?
Hi Morpheus. This is a ‘brand’ launch except it’s a shittier version of something that is already branded and been readily available for time. There is no fucking logo or pattern or anything on this just a dumb name by an out of touch dude who’s hit his head skating one too many times
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I keep looking at the shoes and think…..’maybe sportscasters might buy these….’
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It was nice of JT to buy shoes for all Zero guys to wear for the next several years.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
I’ve bought my fair share of JT and adjacent gear over the years of course, check my post history in the shoes & gear thread if you care that much… JT is one of my favorites from growing up, I’ve never not made that obvious in any of my posts. Warsaw isn’t for me right now. I’m not super into anything that’s been released so far. Maybe down the line there might be something but I’m gonna hold off.
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How is it possible that Jamie could put so much research into this project and end up with such uninspiring stuff ? On the high end, this stuff can’t touch Common Projects and if he is targeting skateboarders …..who would buy these over Last Resort ? Unless Jamie’s shoes get better , this seems like a delusional project. Why create a brand , when everything you are wanting to achieve …Last Resort is doing already ? Plus they have a sick team.
Nothing about Warsaw makes sense , particularly when a Jamie talked about all the effort he put into this brand during his Nine Club interview. Warsaw is going into the skateboard graveyard along with Diamond and 88 Footwear in 12 months.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
Are you flagging dom or sub?
Navy blue left pocket
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My perspective on this company: Don’t think of it as just a skate shoe brand.
This shoe is designed to monetize the entire shoe surface. In other words, it's about making money through collaborations and limited editions. In a way, it's like a billboard.
In this regard its brilliant. But wait until the 100th punk or metal band or every other cliché is printed all over the shoe. From that perspective, it's just lame.
With all respect: Selling rebellion, a typical Jamie Thomas brainchild.
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
Are you flagging dom or sub?
Navy blue left pocket
Boring. That just means you’re a top
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
Are you flagging dom or sub?
Navy blue left pocket
Boring. That just means you’re a top
Mustard right, coral left
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Jimbo Thomas’ last resort
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
Are you flagging dom or sub?
Navy blue left pocket
Boring. That just means you’re a top
Mustard right, coral left
Left always means giver, right receiver
Mustard means you have or want 8 inches
Coral is toe sucking.
Just google flagging color code. I researched that for a project once after I read the Frankie Goes to Hollywood singer was flagging water sports in a live performance
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My perspective on this company: Don’t think of it as just a skate shoe brand.
This shoe is designed to monetize the entire shoe surface. In other words, it's about making money through collaborations and limited editions. In a way, it's like a billboard.
In this regard its brilliant. But wait until the 100th punk or metal band or every other cliché is printed all over the shoe. From that perspective, it's just lame.
With all respect: Selling rebellion, a typical Jamie Thomas brainchild.
We'll see how brilliant it is when its gone soon
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It's hard to pick exactly which Jamie Thomas thread to post this in, but let's go with this one. Dude is so creatively bankrupt, he's now just blatantly stealing the halloween graphic on egg-shaped deck thing from Fos (and this is the graphic Fos used last year, he updates it each year to be something different)
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/cdn/shop/files/NightoftheLivingShred-EGG_662x662.jpg?v=1729707696)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-brinfq1ux4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3060817/338670/heroin-shelloween__23844.1697727849.png?c=2)
Zeros been running this graphic for at least 15+ years at this point, it’s not something new. We get it you don’t like Jamie Thomas but at least have some bare minimum knowledge of him and his brand before talking complete nonsense.
How many signed JT decks did you buy from his garage days website?? Did you get those zero chuck taylors he made?? How many stops did you attend on the zero x DGK tour? Do you own a pair of strayes? How many sets of black wheels have you skated over the years? What’s your thoughts on dipped boards? Did JT choose Cole’s clothes?? Have you ever met JT in real life? And did you address him as sir or general JT??? Do you own a misfits shirt?? How many times have you seen Jamie’s part in Chomp on this?? Do you put up the one more time finger when you’re filming clips?? And finally can you show us on the doll where JT touched you?
Lmao you caught a case of JT derangement syndrome. For not liking someone so much, you guys can’t ever seem to stop talking about him.
This isn’t about me muscle, I know I am guilty of putting a hankerCHEIF in my back pocket and doing cropdusted tre flips, now answer the fucking questions
Are you flagging dom or sub?
Navy blue left pocket
Boring. That just means you’re a top
Mustard right, coral left
Left always means giver, right receiver
Mustard means you have or want 8 inches
Coral is toe sucking.
Just google flagging color code. I researched that for a project once after I read the Frankie Goes to Hollywood singer was flagging water sports in a live performance
There were also some.......subtle flags of that in their Relax video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yem_iEHiyJ0&ab_channel=FGTHVEVO
3:15 specifically but the whole video is worth watching. And listening to, obviously.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
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personally I'm in favor of this thread just becoming a conversation about flagging.
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…couldn’t possibly keep Daveeed G off the team after seeing his new posing on instagram.
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personally I'm in favor of this thread just becoming a conversation about flagging.
Really though, I had no fucking clue and feel like I’ve had a huge revelation, I’ve seen people with bandannas in their back pocket but never knew there was a color code for sexual preferences, when Atiba first said something I was kinda confused, but yea, I feel like the chief would prolly be rocking an olive drab flag in his right pocket
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What's the difference between this and straye? Aren't these both like, pricepoint?
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What's the difference between this and straye? Aren't these both like, pricepoint?
Unlike Zero, these shoes have a cash value.
Think they go for what most other shoes go for, $100-120
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What's the difference between this and straye? Aren't these both like, pricepoint?
Think they go for what most other shoes go for, $100-120
Your gonna need to be a $lave to the grind in order to afford these bad boys
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Shit's more DOA than Ian Curtis
Ya it’s looking like it might be time to hang it up.
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Shit's more DOA than Ian Curtis
Damn guys
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Show us your Warsaws
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Show us your Warsaws
As you wish https://warsawsneakerstore.com/adiads-gazelle-indoor-maroon-cloud-white-if9647.html (https://warsawsneakerstore.com/adiads-gazelle-indoor-maroon-cloud-white-if9647.html)
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I had three pairs of lrabs first run, and the soles went bald from just walking around. Can’t speak of their quality now, but you wanna talk about cheap feeling shoes, those certainly take the cake for me.
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This picture says it all. It makes Jamie's interview on the Nine Club seem distorted. In the interview, Jamie talked about all the effort he put into Warsaw. But in reality, it's a poor imitation of Last Resort. The $250,000 question for Jamie is.....why make a brand when everything you want to achieve Last Resort is doing better, and has a skate team. The only plausible scenario that comes to my mind is, that Jamie had nobody willing to tell him his ideas are unoriginal / poorly executed and that life is short and he should focus his energy on his family and zero.
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I think this highlights the issue brands face regardless of who runs them. LR is well marketed garbage with a likeable team. Opus and Warsaw are made better (having seen all in real life it's extremely obvious), but the marketing isn't there to justify the price or product. If either were being made by the brand that they are most aesthetically similar to no one would care.
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This picture says it all. It makes Jamie's interview on the Nine Club seem distorted. In the interview, Jamie talked about all the effort he put into Warsaw. But in reality, it's a poor imitation of Last Resort. The $250,000 question for Jamie is.....why make a brand when everything you want to achieve Last Resort is doing better, and has a skate team. The only plausible scenario that comes to my mind is, that Jamie had nobody willing to tell him his ideas are unoriginal / poorly executed and that life is short and he should focus his energy on his family and zero.
Can't believe I have to explain this but Jamie want money. Jamie have to sell shoe to make money, Pontus don't give Jamie money.
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I think this highlights the issue brands face regardless of who runs them. LR is well marketed garbage with a likeable team. Opus and Warsaw are made better (having seen all in real life it's extremely obvious), but the marketing isn't there to justify the price or product. If either were being made by the brand that they are most aesthetically similar to no one would care.
I just don't think there is really anything that they're doing right. Virtually everything about War Saw is out of touch and irrelevant in today's market, it's out of touch with what fundamentally the consumer is looking for. The marketplace is already jam packed with more companies than ever trying to get their foot in the door and get their product on shelves, but demand for footwear is declining, and a lot of stores are having issues moving product. The NineClub podcast was essentially a two and half hour introduction to an entirely new brand of footwear from the face of the brand. It was supposed to be a way to grab attention and convince people to jump in and give it a try, but the entire episode reeks of typical nine-club toxic positivity and pats on the back, stroking a former legend's ego even further. Even if you go into the episode with a completely open mind, you will leave with no reason to buy into what he's selling. I really don't think JT went to trade shows or talked to people who could have steered him right on this, or dissuaded him from sinking such a large sum of money into something that was so under baked. War Saw, from the name to the logo to the website is half cooked and lazy. It has no substance whatsoever. There are no video parts that are premiering, there are no pros that are signed, there is nothing other than the faint whisper of what has been done a decade or more before. If he had given it another year or too, taken his time with it and really fallen in love with making skate shoes, he could have done something noteworthy. He could have gotten a foothold in the marketplace. But, this is the wrong product for the wrong consumer at the wrong time, in a market that is already oversaturated with similar products.
Also, from the outside looking in, Last Resort is not doing good. Demand for their product has cratered, shops are clearing out their inventory at below cost, their product is substandard and their team is about the only reason they're still alive.
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I think this highlights the issue brands face regardless of who runs them. LR is well marketed garbage with a likeable team. Opus and Warsaw are made better (having seen all in real life it's extremely obvious), but the marketing isn't there to justify the price or product. If either were being made by the brand that they are most aesthetically similar to no one would care.
Also, from the outside looking in, Last Resort is not doing good. Demand for their product has cratered, shops are clearing out their inventory at below cost, their product is substandard and their team is about the only reason they're still alive.
The proof is in the pudding.
I can't comment on demand in other areas but I see a lot of kids wearing LR still. When I saw the Warsaws the sole, foxing tape glue, overall construction, fit, and materials were all nicer. They got the product quality right, but if it's not what people want then sure it won't sell. You're right that the market already has what they're offering I can't dispute that my point was only that people care more about the marketing than product quality. Look at all the people clinging to Sole Tech garbage.
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The Warsaw shoes looks like something you'd find hanging on a plastic hanger at K-Mart or RiteAid, like so cheap they don't even deserve a box. Guessing majority of the sales will be through discount stores like Marshall's. There are no metal eyelets, the vegan collar looks like something from the halloween store and entire shoe is single stitched where the LRAB is all double stitched. You can tell the rubber and leather are nicer just by the photos, and synthetic leather in the Warsaw is trash.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
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Wack shoes for wack cunts
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He's only gotta few years left in this game. Lay off the old man
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I think this highlights the issue brands face regardless of who runs them. LR is well marketed garbage with a likeable team. Opus and Warsaw are made better (having seen all in real life it's extremely obvious), but the marketing isn't there to justify the price or product. If either were being made by the brand that they are most aesthetically similar to no one would care.
I have skated 3 pairs of Last Resort shoes, I would disagree with them being garbage. Soletech = garbage , Lakai = garbage …. Maybe I have been lucky but the last 3 pair of last resorts I have had skated good and held up. Getting older so only skating 3 days a week for context.
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As a joke, I asked my wife if she would buy me this new shoe brand called War Saw, and she shook her head looking at me asking "What kind of stupid name is that?" "No."
In that moment. I knew I married the right person.
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As a joke, I asked my wife if she would buy me this new shoe brand called War Saw, and she shook her head looking at me asking "What kind of stupid name is that?" "No."
In that moment. I knew I married the right person.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
Yeah, they are.
Why you got such a hard on for Warsaw dude
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
Yeah, they are.
Why you got such a hard on for Warsaw dude
The question actually is why do y’all act like it’s ain’t a better quality shoe ad far as materials go. It’s literally the point of the shoe. Higher quality timeless/common silhouettes. It’s like you can’t read or right or look at pictures. This thread is just full of people that just want another reason to shit on Jamie.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
Hahahaha you actually think that???!
Maybe I’m uninformed but I can’t find any information stating that polyester cost more than canvas, quite the opposite actually. If you could direct me to whatever source you’re getting that from that would be greatly appreciated tho, I’ve been wrong before.
https://northshorecrafts.com/is-polyester-cheaper-than-cotton/#Polyester_Production_Process
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
Hahahaha you actually think that???!
Maybe I’m uninformed but I can’t find any information stating that polyester cost more than canvas, quite the opposite actually. If you could direct me to whatever source you’re getting that from that would be greatly appreciated tho, I’ve been wrong before.
https://northshorecrafts.com/is-polyester-cheaper-than-cotton/#Polyester_Production_Process
Hey I thought I deleted that LOL Turns out you’re correct they are about the same cost with small variables leaner towards one or the other being cheaper. At least that’s what perplexity told me. I’ll also add that it was Jamie on the 9 show giving the impression that synthetic suede is expensive to produce. Now that I know it’s not why is there not so much more of it being used? Vegan plus from recycled materials is a win win.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
Hahahaha you actually think that???!
Maybe I’m uninformed but I can’t find any information stating that polyester cost more than canvas, quite the opposite actually. If you could direct me to whatever source you’re getting that from that would be greatly appreciated tho, I’ve been wrong before.
https://northshorecrafts.com/is-polyester-cheaper-than-cotton/#Polyester_Production_Process
Hey I thought I deleted that LOL Turns out you’re correct they are about the same cost with small variables leaner towards one or the other being cheaper. At least that’s what perplexity told me. I’ll also add that it was Jamie on the 9 show giving the impression that synthetic suede is expensive to produce. Now that I know it’s not why is there not so much more of it being used? Vegan plus from recycled materials is a win win.
Jamie said that cuz he wants us to buy his low quality shoes and is tryna pass them off and market them as high quality, that shouldn’t be that hard to believe.
Sole tech replaces lots of the interior panels on their suede shoes with synthetic suede because it’s cheaper and no one will notice, not because it’s a high quality material.
Also I have never seen a synthetic suede skate shoe that uses recycled polyester and I don’t know where you’re getting any information that states Warsaws as such.
Please improve your media literacy.
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Even if they're made with "premium materials" they could have shitty production and QA. JT threw out all the proper phrases to sell these shoes. Haven't seen any in person, and it'll probably be a while until I do.
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
Hahahaha you actually think that???!
Maybe I’m uninformed but I can’t find any information stating that polyester cost more than canvas, quite the opposite actually. If you could direct me to whatever source you’re getting that from that would be greatly appreciated tho, I’ve been wrong before.
https://northshorecrafts.com/is-polyester-cheaper-than-cotton/#Polyester_Production_Process
Hey I thought I deleted that LOL Turns out you’re correct they are about the same cost with small variables leaner towards one or the other being cheaper. At least that’s what perplexity told me. I’ll also add that it was Jamie on the 9 show giving the impression that synthetic suede is expensive to produce. Now that I know it’s not why is there not so much more of it being used? Vegan plus from recycled materials is a win win.
Jamie said that cuz he wants us to buy his low quality shoes and is tryna pass them off and market them as high quality, that shouldn’t be that hard to believe.
Sole tech replaces lots of the interior panels on their suede shoes with synthetic suede because it’s cheaper and no one will notice, not because it’s a high quality material.
Also I have never seen a synthetic suede skate shoe that uses recycled polyester and I don’t know where you’re getting any information that states Warsaws as such.
Please improve your media literacy.
Hmm well I don’t recall mentioning anything about the polyester alone, it’s combined with polyethylene to produce synthetic suede. Here’s a few examples of skate shoes that use it:
• Etnies Jameson Eco
• New Balance 425
• Adidas Busenitz Pro
• Emerica Pillar Shoes
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
Hahahaha you actually think that???!
Maybe I’m uninformed but I can’t find any information stating that polyester cost more than canvas, quite the opposite actually. If you could direct me to whatever source you’re getting that from that would be greatly appreciated tho, I’ve been wrong before.
https://northshorecrafts.com/is-polyester-cheaper-than-cotton/#Polyester_Production_Process
Hey I thought I deleted that LOL Turns out you’re correct they are about the same cost with small variables leaner towards one or the other being cheaper. At least that’s what perplexity told me. I’ll also add that it was Jamie on the 9 show giving the impression that synthetic suede is expensive to produce. Now that I know it’s not why is there not so much more of it being used? Vegan plus from recycled materials is a win win.
Jamie said that cuz he wants us to buy his low quality shoes and is tryna pass them off and market them as high quality, that shouldn’t be that hard to believe.
Sole tech replaces lots of the interior panels on their suede shoes with synthetic suede because it’s cheaper and no one will notice, not because it’s a high quality material.
Also I have never seen a synthetic suede skate shoe that uses recycled polyester and I don’t know where you’re getting any information that states Warsaws as such.
Please improve your media literacy.
Hmm well I don’t recall mentioning anything about the polyester alone, it’s combined with polyethylene to produce synthetic suede. Here’s a few examples of skate shoes that use it:
• Etnies Jameson Eco
• New Balance 425
• Adidas Busenitz Pro
• Emerica Pillar Shoes
bro please just let us fuckin hate in peace
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No metal eyelets because that costs like penny more.
The LRAB we have at home
Weird how you pick out the metal eyelets when one shoe is synthetic suede and synthetic leather and the other is cavas. I wonder which cost more??? Also there are metal eyelets if you actually look close, the top definitely has them. AND you realize that siloute has been around since at least the early 70’s if not sooner. Comparing Warsaw to last resort is the last resort of someone that just wants to hate on Jamie. It’s not like he’s hiding what you all keep pointing out.
Nah… the shoes are just cheap shit
Are they? You own a pair? Just the complete opposite of how they are being marketed. Common siloutes with better materials. Guess you must me talking about the ones your comparing them to, because they are literally canvas.
I’m pretty sure canvas, a material made from cotton cost more than whatever synthetic polyester based material Warsaw is using.
Hahahaha you actually think that???!
Maybe I’m uninformed but I can’t find any information stating that polyester cost more than canvas, quite the opposite actually. If you could direct me to whatever source you’re getting that from that would be greatly appreciated tho, I’ve been wrong before.
https://northshorecrafts.com/is-polyester-cheaper-than-cotton/#Polyester_Production_Process
Hey I thought I deleted that LOL Turns out you’re correct they are about the same cost with small variables leaner towards one or the other being cheaper. At least that’s what perplexity told me. I’ll also add that it was Jamie on the 9 show giving the impression that synthetic suede is expensive to produce. Now that I know it’s not why is there not so much more of it being used? Vegan plus from recycled materials is a win win.
Jamie said that cuz he wants us to buy his low quality shoes and is tryna pass them off and market them as high quality, that shouldn’t be that hard to believe.
Sole tech replaces lots of the interior panels on their suede shoes with synthetic suede because it’s cheaper and no one will notice, not because it’s a high quality material.
Also I have never seen a synthetic suede skate shoe that uses recycled polyester and I don’t know where you’re getting any information that states Warsaws as such.
Please improve your media literacy.
Hmm well I don’t recall mentioning anything about the polyester alone, it’s combined with polyethylene to produce synthetic suede. Here’s a few examples of skate shoes that use it:
• Etnies Jameson Eco
• New Balance 425
• Adidas Busenitz Pro
• Emerica Pillar Shoes
bro please just let us fuckin hate in peace
Carry on
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It’s like you can’t read or right or look at pictures.
Beauty.
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I got the black lows and I must say the quality blew me away
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This picture says it all. It makes Jamie's interview on the Nine Club seem distorted. In the interview, Jamie talked about all the effort he put into Warsaw. But in reality, it's a poor imitation of Last Resort. The $250,000 question for Jamie is.....why make a brand when everything you want to achieve Last Resort is doing better, and has a skate team. The only plausible scenario that comes to my mind is, that Jamie had nobody willing to tell him his ideas are unoriginal / poorly executed and that life is short and he should focus his energy on his family and zero.
Can't believe I have to explain this but Jamie want money. Jamie have to sell shoe to make money, Pontus don't give Jamie money.
Spot on summary. If you prefer to gave Jamie money over Pontus - War Saw is your brand.
Dont talk shit about quality - they both buy at the cheapest sweatshop in china as possible with this low qty.
Quality will vary from batch to batch, since both are too small / weak in purchase power to push
suppliers and having proper local quality control.
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This picture says it all. It makes Jamie's interview on the Nine Club seem distorted. In the interview, Jamie talked about all the effort he put into Warsaw. But in reality, it's a poor imitation of Last Resort. The $250,000 question for Jamie is.....why make a brand when everything you want to achieve Last Resort is doing better, and has a skate team. The only plausible scenario that comes to my mind is, that Jamie had nobody willing to tell him his ideas are unoriginal / poorly executed and that life is short and he should focus his energy on his family and zero.
Can't believe I have to explain this but Jamie want money. Jamie have to sell shoe to make money, Pontus don't give Jamie money.
Dont talk shit about quality - they both buy at the cheapest sweatshop in china as possible with this low qty.
Quality will vary from batch to batch, since both are too small / weak in purchase power to push
suppliers and having proper local quality control.
LRAB goods are manufactured in Vietnam [except for the $120+ shirts/pants which are made in Poland]. It says it on the inside tag of the shoe and even the shoe box.
Quality of shoes vary by drop because they make adjustments such as changing the insole and the rubber for the outsole. Also, LRAB probably doesn't have as low of a purchase power as Warsaw, considering they sell to Zalando and Zumiez. I would agree that most of what you said probably does apply to LRAB for at least the first 8 drops. However, they're on drop 16 and have made noticeable improvements. The shoes are nothing like drop 1, where the VM001 outsole lasted for 15-20 hours at most.
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This thread is basically a bunch of people talking about shoes, materials, quality without knowing shit about it. There’s a thousand nuances to production that are not being taken in consideration here. Not every canvas is the same price or quality, not every synthetic suede/leather is the same. Shoe construction, insoles, details, prints, labels, sole molds, packaging, labor cost (the production country matters a lot when price is in question) and specially order quantity…
Anyway, those shoes fucking suck and J.Thomas is clueless.
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This thread is basically a bunch of people talking about shoes, materials, quality without knowing shit about it. There’s a thousand nuances to production that are not being taken in consideration here. Not every canvas is the same price or quality, not every synthetic suede/leather is the same. Shoe construction, insoles, details, prints, labels, sole molds, packaging, labor cost (the production country matters a lot when price is in question) and specially order quantity…
Anyway, those shoes fucking suck and J.Thomas is clueless.
That's all that matters in the end.
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This picture says it all. It makes Jamie's interview on the Nine Club seem distorted. In the interview, Jamie talked about all the effort he put into Warsaw. But in reality, it's a poor imitation of Last Resort. The $250,000 question for Jamie is.....why make a brand when everything you want to achieve Last Resort is doing better, and has a skate team. The only plausible scenario that comes to my mind is, that Jamie had nobody willing to tell him his ideas are unoriginal / poorly executed and that life is short and he should focus his energy on his family and zero.
Can't believe I have to explain this but Jamie want money. Jamie have to sell shoe to make money, Pontus don't give Jamie money.
Dont talk shit about quality - they both buy at the cheapest sweatshop in china as possible with this low qty.
Quality will vary from batch to batch, since both are too small / weak in purchase power to push
suppliers and having proper local quality control.
No one seems to know about this but LRab are made in a fair wage factory in Vietnam.
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Anybody try a pair of Hours is Yours?
I bought a pair of the loafers to chill in. The sole was really bad and the fit was off. I read their fit guide, and it was more confusing than helpful, I tried to compensate accordingly and the shoes were just too big. Let me be clear that I double and triple checked the specific model shoe I had and their recommended sizing for that model. I emailed the customer service and let them know that the shoes were probably true to size, and was just offering feedback, not looking to return them or refund or anything crazy. Never heard back from them. I do not wear the shoes anymore, the sole just started to disintegrate, and the back of the shoes wore really quickly too. Not the greatest quality at all.
Not sure about the skate models, but I would be weary, and only buy the sale models. I would have been so bummed if I paid the full price for the loafers (like $120 or something). I was only a little bummed paying half price for them.
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I bought a pair of the loafers to chill in. The sole was really bad and the fit was off. I read their fit guide, and it was more confusing than helpful, I tried to compensate accordingly and the shoes were just too big. Let me be clear that I double and triple checked the specific model shoe I had and their recommended sizing for that model. I emailed the customer service and let them know that the shoes were probably true to size, and was just offering feedback, not looking to return them or refund or anything crazy. Never heard back from them. I do not wear the shoes anymore, the sole just started to disintegrate, and the back of the shoes wore really quickly too. Not the greatest quality at all.
Not sure about the skate models, but I would be weary, and only buy the sale models. I would have been so bummed if I paid the full price for the loafers (like $120 or something). I was only a little bummed paying half price for them.
I recently got some loafers. The sizing was not an issue for me. Been wearing them for a week and the quality is good so far. Not $120 good, but i paid $50 i think. Compared to other $50 loafers ive had, they are pretty good.
How long were you wearing them before the sole disintegrated?
I have not skated a pair of hours so no comment on that aspect.
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Anybody try a pair of Hours is Yours?
I had a pair of the V2 Codes and skated the fuck out of em. I really liked the style and fit, but they skated... fine. Nice grip and flick, but didn't last that long and broke down fairly quickly. Laces were those round dress-y style that just exploded after a few sessions.
I have a another pair that must be V1's because there's no tongue straps. Noticeably worse. I still wear them when they fit the fit, but I haven't put that much mileage on that pair.
Overall - meh. But I was a sucker for the G-Code so i felt i owed it to Hermdog to give em a shot
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I bought a pair of the loafers to chill in. The sole was really bad and the fit was off. I read their fit guide, and it was more confusing than helpful, I tried to compensate accordingly and the shoes were just too big. Let me be clear that I double and triple checked the specific model shoe I had and their recommended sizing for that model. I emailed the customer service and let them know that the shoes were probably true to size, and was just offering feedback, not looking to return them or refund or anything crazy. Never heard back from them. I do not wear the shoes anymore, the sole just started to disintegrate, and the back of the shoes wore really quickly too. Not the greatest quality at all.
Not sure about the skate models, but I would be weary, and only buy the sale models. I would have been so bummed if I paid the full price for the loafers (like $120 or something). I was only a little bummed paying half price for them.
I recently got some loafers. The sizing was not an issue for me. Been wearing them for a week and the quality is good so far. Not $120 good, but i paid $50 i think. Compared to other $50 loafers ive had, they are pretty good.
How long were you wearing them before the sole disintegrated?
I have not skated a pair of hours so no comment on that aspect.
Honestly the sole started ripping maybe after like 1-2 months of walking around in them? The large sizing may have played a factor in all fairness, with my foot sliding up and down more in the shoe than it would have for an appropriately fitted shoe.
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Great timing, he can pick up all the former Lakai customers
Maybe grab some riders too
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Great timing, he can pick up all the former Lakai customers
Maybe grab some riders too
Wonder what the Fallen guys are being paid these days? Getting the Dern's on Warsaw would be cool for the brand actually
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but it’s not a skate company, it’s a lifestyle brand man
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Dern bros do seem like the kind of guys that would wear Warsaw shoes to a wedding
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but it’s not a skate company, it’s a lifestyle brand man
A good excuse to not have to pay anyone
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Anybody try a pair of Hours is Yours?
Yeah I love them, I think they fit perfectly and are comfortable, I also got the jacuzzi dress shoe for my wedding and loved them
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Well here is a shoe review someone did that actually bought them. Just skip the first ten minutes.,
https://youtu.be/U3hrZ4KXHkM?si=4-U934aPLf4mMIG6 (https://youtu.be/U3hrZ4KXHkM?si=4-U934aPLf4mMIG6)
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Last resort > Hours is Yours > straye > Warsaw
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He was going to call his company Saw Of War, and the idea of naming a shoe company after a city in Poland never occurred to him. When some said to him “… you mean like… Warsaw?” He was like “yeah I guess that sounds better. War Saw. So sick!”
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Last resort > Hours is Yours > straye > Warsaw
Not according to that random YouTube guy…looks like they hold up quite a bit better then all those brands and are more comfortable. Shocking, I know.
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Not according to that random YouTube guy…looks like they hold up quite a bit better then all those brands and are more comfortable. Shocking, I know.
You buy a pair yet?
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but it’s not a skate company, it’s a lifestyle brand man
Skating IS my lifestyle 8)
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Not according to that random YouTube guy…looks like they hold up quite a bit better then all those brands and are more comfortable. Shocking, I know.
I'm glad he likes them.
My opinion is unchanged.
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Not according to that random YouTube guy…looks like they hold up quite a bit better then all those brands and are more comfortable. Shocking, I know.
You buy a pair yet?
No. I like cupsoles actually. That’s why I posted this dudes review. Not my cup of tea, but that does not make the brand instantly suck. I was just pointing out that this video shows the opposite of what all of you are saying about the quality and how long they will last. Plus remember that’s are not even being sold as skate shoes, but shoes you can skate if you want and they hold up better then most of them…
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Not according to that random YouTube guy…looks like they hold up quite a bit better then all those brands and are more comfortable. Shocking, I know.
I'm glad he likes them.
My opinion is unchanged.
Not trying to change your opinion just putting the info out there. I don’t think he was expecting to like them either though…
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Not according to that random YouTube guy…looks like they hold up quite a bit better then all those brands and are more comfortable. Shocking, I know.
I'm glad he likes them.
My opinion is unchanged.
Not trying to change your opinion just putting the info out there. I don’t think he was expecting to like them either though…
I gotchu
I feel like even if Warsaw shoes were actually better in some way, they're still just nowhere near as cool as last resorts.
Idk, brand identity or some shit like that.
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http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
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https://thehardtimes.net/lists/25-descendents-songs-your-old-ass-can-listen-to-while-shopping-for-skate-shoes-big-enough-to-fit-your-orthopedic-insoles/
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https://thehardtimes.net/lists/25-descendents-songs-your-old-ass-can-listen-to-while-shopping-for-skate-shoes-big-enough-to-fit-your-orthopedic-insoles/
Burrnnnnn
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jamie lookin like he got danny renaud syndrome on that left ring finger
is he sacrificing too much adrenochrome to produce these kicks???
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jamie lookin like he got danny renaud syndrome on that left ring finger
is he sacrificing too much adrenochrome to produce these kicks???
You think this is Jamie Thomas?
http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
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jamie lookin like he got danny renaud syndrome on that left ring finger
is he sacrificing too much adrenochrome to produce these kicks???
You think this is Jamie Thomas?
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http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
you think im jamie thomas?
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jamie lookin like he got danny renaud syndrome on that left ring finger
is he sacrificing too much adrenochrome to produce these kicks???
You think this is Jamie Thomas?
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http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
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Well here is a shoe review someone did that actually bought them. Just skip the first ten minutes.,
https://youtu.be/U3hrZ4KXHkM?si=4-U934aPLf4mMIG6 (https://youtu.be/U3hrZ4KXHkM?si=4-U934aPLf4mMIG6)
shut up, Jamie
Or you could just watch and see the result of an actual 3 week wear test and still complain about how terrible they are even though you will never buy them.
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I’m excited for Warsaw $15 mystery shoes
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Did these things sell well at anyone’s local shops?
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Did these things sell well at anyone’s local shops?
shops bought these?
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Well here is a shoe review someone did that actually bought them. Just skip the first ten minutes.,
https://youtu.be/U3hrZ4KXHkM?si=4-U934aPLf4mMIG6 (https://youtu.be/U3hrZ4KXHkM?si=4-U934aPLf4mMIG6)
shut up, Jamie
Or you could just watch and see the result of an actual 3 week wear test and still complain about how terrible they are even though you will never buy them.
Jamie boy give it a rest
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shops bought these?
Unfortunately
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Did these things sell well at anyone’s local shops?
shops bought these?
303 has the shoes and clothes. Havnt seen any in the wild tho.
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The least beacon of hope for skater owned brands lol
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I hate that these seem like they would be a good shoe for me after watching that review
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yeah, no
Not completely wrong, though.
That is… until Chad Muska unleashes his Muska shoes on the world and ushers in a new world domination and big shoe resurgence, with the Skytop 1 REDUX leading the way.
And then Jamie and Muska team up again, and call up Appleyard and Lopez, rebirth C1rca to thunderous applause. But not before the new leadership at Soletech surprises us all and delivers quality skate shoes that rival Nike and NB, that eat into their profits, forcing the giants to reconsider their investment in skateboarding.
And then out of nowhere we have Dekline show up, pull a Leeroy Jenkins and third-party-candidate the fuck out of everything, and we’re back full circle… raising our hands to the sky for Nike and NB to come back and save us.
But truth be told, Etnies was there all along with the Joslins, always there bestowing on us the best damn skate shoe ever. And it welcomes us all home with open arms into skate heaven at the end of THPS 2. Amen.
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What was C1rca Combat all about?
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What was C1rca Combat all about?
Rocker shit
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What was C1rca Combat all about?
That was C1RCA trying to keep Vans from eating their lunch, if were to be honest.
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I commented last resort shoe on their profile and Jamie responded with “yeah,nah” . Like man just admit it’s literally the same shoe.
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I commented last resort shoe on their profile and Jamie responded with “yeah,nah” . Like man just admit it’s literally the same shoe.
Last Resort isn’t fessing up to their plagiarized designs either. Someone showed in the shoe thread the original shoe their new cupsole is nearly identical to
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Problem is all the best skate shoes were already designed 40+ years ago (or made to look like something from 40+ years ago) and often weren't even designed for skating.
Hard to say Jamie's just copying last resort when last resort are just making some shit your great grandad wore in pe
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by giving 3 extra pair of laces.
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Problem is all the best skate shoes were already designed 40+ years ago (or made to look like something from 40+ years ago) and often weren't even designed for skating.
Hard to say Jamie's just copying last resort when last resort are just making some shit your great grandad wore in pe
^this. But there is a subtle difference between using a silhouette of a non-skate shoe vs copying an exhisting and successful shoe of a relatively new company.
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I commented last resort shoe on their profile and Jamie responded with “yeah,nah” . Like man just admit it’s literally the same shoe.
Last Resort isn’t fessing up to their plagiarized designs either. Someone showed in the shoe thread the original shoe their new cupsole is nearly identical to
Except that original shoe photo was posted by the LRAB cofounder so it’s actually the very definition of fessing up to their design inspiration
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Only just occurred to me, but didn’t that Michaël Mackrodt homey already do Warsaw w/ his skater owned, mostly logo free, higher end materials, “wear them to work OR the session” line of shoes (at the same price point, more or less) with his footwear company, Fishing Lines?!?
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Only just occurred to me, but didn’t that Michaël Mackrodt homey already do Warsaw w/ his skater owned, mostly logo free, higher end materials, “wear them to work OR the session” line of shoes (at the same price point, more or less) with his footwear company, Fishing Lines?!?
not my style, but fishing lines is kind of tight. i had never heard of Michaël Mackrodt before. i really dig his footage, and the use of flagrantly doctored images for the company branding
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jamie lookin like he got danny renaud syndrome on that left ring finger
is he sacrificing too much adrenochrome to produce these kicks???
You think this is Jamie Thomas?
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http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (http://www.instagram.com/p/DCSLpPIPRdb/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
What even is Jamie Thomas these days
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The least beacon of hope for skater owned brands lol
yeah, no
That is… until Chad Muska unleashes his Muska shoes on the world and ushers in a new world domination and big shoe resurgence, with the Skytop 1 REDUX leading the way.
And then Jamie and Muska team up again, and call up Appleyard and Lopez, rebirth C1rca to thunderous applause. But not before the new leadership at Soletech surprises us all and delivers quality skate shoes that rival Nike and NB, that eat into their profits, forcing the giants to reconsider their investment in skateboarding.
And then out of nowhere we have Dekline show up, pull a Leeroy Jenkins and third-party-candidate the fuck out of everything, and we’re back full circle… raising our hands to the sky for Nike and NB to come back and save us.
But truth be told, Etnies was there all along with the Joslins, always there bestowing on us the best damn skate shoe ever. And it welcomes us all home with open arms into skate heaven at the end of THPS 2. Amen.
speculative fiction is good
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(https://i.imgur.com/U5y0gKJ.jpeg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/U5y0gKJ.jpeg)
Imagine being a 50-year-old millionaire and being this thin-skinned
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(https://memes.co.in/memes/update/uploads/2021/07/PngItem_974616.png)
^ this but with that stupid beanie
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(https://i.imgur.com/U5y0gKJ.jpeg)
that looks hilariously like a doodled in beanie
I wish I had the time to photoshop a similarly beanied Mona Lisa...
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Jamie in the comments arguing with Mike York lol
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Jamie in the comments arguing with Mike York lol
I love skateboarding.
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Jamie in the comments arguing with Mike York lol
I love skateboarding.
post em!
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Jamie in the comments arguing with Mike York lol
I love skateboarding.
Yeah, need to see that.
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Jamie in the comments arguing with Mike York lol
I love skateboarding.
aint no way i'm logging into facebook to see this. Please screenshot and post here!
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I didn't see them sorry, I don't use FB either so would love some screenshots also.
It was the very idea of Yorkatron + The Chud beefing in fb comments in 2024 that was making me smile so much.
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Clearly touring with DGK taught Chief nothing about the h8rs.
Anyway, one beanie or two beanies, take yo pic:
(https://i.imgur.com/gKBLI4n_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
(https://i.imgur.com/az8B9Zh_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
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(https://i.imgur.com/U5y0gKJ.jpeg)
that looks hilariously like a doodled in beanie
I wish I had the time to photoshop a similarly beanied Mona Lisa...
(https://i.imgur.com/jvmZKbj_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Also found this already existing:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/a6/82/cba68274fc99f155f0b567ce707a9788.jpg)
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I mean nothing crazy in that posts comments. Mostly people giving Jamie a ball bag jacuzzi with their mouths. These are the only two he responded to.
(https://i.imgur.com/y7rq0ud.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NJvlOlR.jpeg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/gF4jpb8/1010.png)
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Only just occurred to me, but didn’t that Michaël Mackrodt homey already do Warsaw w/ his skater owned, mostly logo free, higher end materials, “wear them to work OR the session” line of shoes (at the same price point, more or less) with his footwear company, Fishing Lines?!?
not my style, but fishing lines is kind of tight. i had never heard of Michaël Mackrodt before. i really dig his footage, and the use of flagrantly doctored images for the company branding
Not sure if I would wear those to work but thats so sick that this dude (of all people) has a shoe company. The materials look nice, stitching looks robust and graphic design is good.
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guys, i’M hERe t0 EngAgE
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Wonder how often Jamie thinks about Mexican Spaniard
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I_SUCK's such a whiny old bitch
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(https://img.pastemagazine.com/wp-content/avuploads/2021/02/15035531/um7wk3gxow6ixxcnxj6s.jpg)
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I mean nothing crazy in that posts comments. Mostly people giving Jamie a ball bag jacuzzi with their mouths. These are the only two he responded to.
(https://i.imgur.com/y7rq0ud.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NJvlOlR.jpeg)
still afraid to address the Last Resort allegations
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I don’t follow the chief on FB but is he deleting comments on that post?
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I don’t follow the chief on FB but is he deleting comments on that post?
I wouldn’t doubt it
(https://i.ibb.co/7jcWt0h/1-BAD8197-75-FE-4873-9166-DB226-CC61-D80.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7jcWt0h)
Just checked it out. He made another post basically claiming that his intention for the initial one wasn’t fishing for praise or admiration from people… yeah, okay buddy. And also that his feelings aren’t hurt but that he’ll unfollow/block anyone that hates on his “project” in the comments. Dude’s such a fucking clown it’s fascinating to watch. In one breath he’s in the comments saying that he’s here to “engage” with people and in the next he’s saying he’ll unfollow people who criticize him.
I feel like he has a pattern of doing this woe-is-me routine where he basically gaslights people into thinking they’re crazy or in the wrong for questioning his decisions or actions.
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Okay maybe I was looking at that post then and not the original one …
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(https://i.ibb.co/hsXzk7C/695-AC895-7773-471-C-9-EEC-3845284-F53-CB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BL4Mmzw)
Damn chief fair play
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Wonder how often Jamie thinks about Mexican Spaniard
a lot
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The argument that if someone is 'hating' on something means that they haven't done anything substantial in their life is so fucking hilarious and delusional. This is the most telling part of Jamie's personality - the lack of outward awareness and the expectation of acceptance.
Didn't work at EMB, isn't working now big dog.
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Does he really body shame Rosie O'Donnell in one comment only to complain about someone being disrespectful in the following message? What a dork
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Chief dissed me in a contest on the mic one time. Not on some Tim O'Connor shit either, like I was the only one.
Mans talking about pointless hate.
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Chief dissed me in a contest on the mic one time. Not on some Tim O'Connor shit either, like I was the only one.
Mans talking about pointless hate.
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Chief dissed me in a contest on the mic one time. Not on some Tim O'Connor shit either, like I was the only one.
Mans talking about pointless hate.
pine > chief
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Chief dissed me in a contest on the mic one time. Not on some Tim O'Connor shit either, like I was the only one.
Mans talking about pointless hate.
Damn that’s shitty. What did he say?
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Chief dissed me in a contest on the mic one time. Not on some Tim O'Connor shit either, like I was the only one.
Mans talking about pointless hate.
Damn that’s shitty. What did he say?
I did a trick in the contest and he said "Not seen often, maybe for a reason....but still"
Made a video about it here haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ea24tE9tM
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The shoes are generic, JT is a thin-skinned chode, and there’s no team.
Why should any skateboarder support Warsaw?
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The shoes are generic, JT is a thin-skinned chode, and there’s no team.
Why should any skateboarder support Warsaw?
Probably people who barely skates but still will dick ride him due to THPS2 memories from 2000 emo days?
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The only thing worse than being 50 years old and using the word "hater" in a serious manner is being 50 years old and taking to Facebook (exclusively) and publicly addressing said "haters" in a serious manner.
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(https://i.imgur.com/U5y0gKJ.jpeg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikHwc75L8tM
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(https://i.imgur.com/U5y0gKJ.jpeg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikHwc75L8tM
The perfect pairing; I applaud your work.
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Any post that begins with "I don't usually post on (insert social media platform name here)" is how you can tell its going to be cringe
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The Warsaw chapter mids are the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned. The simple clean design combine with high quality materials allows it to look fresh and has durability skaters are looking for. Keep hating on Jamie and wearing your lame ass dunks. You look stupid and you can't skate for shit.
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The Warsaw chapter mids are the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned. The simple clean design combine with high quality materials allows it to look fresh and has durability skaters are looking for. Keep hating on Jamie and wearing your lame ass dunks. You look stupid and you can't skate for shit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikHwc75L8tM
Gifted Hater can range from funny to having wack takes but in general, I'm glad he exists because he dissproved the myth that a hater must have had no success in life. You can build something people like and still fucking hate wack bullshit.
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The Warsaw chapter mids are the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned. The simple clean design combine with high quality materials allows it to look fresh and has durability skaters are looking for. Keep hating on Jamie and wearing your lame ass dunks. You look stupid and you can't skate for shit.
Post a clip in your Warsaw cry baby pros.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RldIfNO0vQQ
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Don't forget to cop the "Back the Wifebeaters" model
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DE6T1rpJQQZ
(https://i.imgur.com/PA5b1nN.jpeg)
Damn, this is the shoe brand for me for sure.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DE6T1rpJQQZ
(https://i.imgur.com/PA5b1nN.jpeg)
Damn, this is the shoe brand for me for sure.
How are the links connected to Skateboarding?
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(https://i.imgur.com/PA5b1nN.jpeg)
Damn, this is the shoe brand for me for sure.
How are the links connected to Skateboarding?
They're not – they represent the connection that skateboarders have to skateboarding in a way that feels totally organic.
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It's giving Mikey Alfred Doritos vibes. "There's just something so powerful about the triangle"
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The Warsaw chapter mids are the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned. The simple clean design combine with high quality materials allows it to look fresh and has durability skaters are looking for. Keep hating on Jamie and wearing your lame ass dunks. You look stupid and you can't skate for shit.
very high quality first post! surely genuine
ChatJPT up to his tricks again
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If this lifestyle footwear venture falls through, how will Jamie acquire the funds to laser off his Jesus tattoos for x Misfits tattoos? We should all buy a ring to show our connection to “the ones we love” in these trying times.
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The Warsaw chapter mids are the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned. The simple clean design combine with high quality materials allows it to look fresh and has durability skaters are looking for. Keep hating on Jamie and wearing your lame ass dunks. You look stupid and you can't skate for shit.
Nice try Diddy.
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If this lifestyle footwear venture falls through, how will Jamie acquire the funds to laser off his Jesus tattoos for x Misfits tattoos? We should all buy a ring to show our connection to “the ones we love” in these trying times.
Jesus on the cross but his face is the Crimson Ghost and the the shirt says "Die Die (For My Sins) My Savior".
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that's my friend zach that i skate with who is making the shoes. zach's friend works at keen and has been giving him shoes for some time.
zach made me a custom ring early last year and jamie liked so that is how this ring came about. i've been helping jamie with warsaw stuff from day one and i was just pumped to get my friend zach some work. he was pretty juiced to make em ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and yeah...as far as i am personally concerned...trust me, i know the "links" thing was a corny thing to say, but whatever. damn near most captions on instagram are super corny / dont age well in the end
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The Warsaw chapter mids are the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned. The simple clean design combine with high quality materials allows it to look fresh and has durability skaters are looking for. Keep hating on Jamie and wearing your lame ass dunks. You look stupid and you can't skate for shit.
You have to be Jamie Thomas.
Why would any normal person who is not invested in this crappy brandy use descriptors such as "the most clean and well put together skate shoe I've ever owned" and "simple clean design combine with high quality materials" - come on Jamie. If you are going to use a socket puppet account, lol try better.
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must be weird knowing you’re contributing to one of the most widely panned and corniest companies to ever exist within skating
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If this lifestyle footwear venture falls through, how will Jamie acquire the funds to laser off his Jesus tattoos for x Misfits tattoos? We should all buy a ring to show our connection to “the ones we love” in these trying times.
Jesus on the cross but his face is the Crimson Ghost and the the shirt says "Die Die (For My Sins) My Savior".
(https://i.ibb.co/VgVjBF4/Warsaw-Cross.jpg)
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If this lifestyle footwear venture falls through, how will Jamie acquire the funds to laser off his Jesus tattoos for x Misfits tattoos? We should all buy a ring to show our connection to “the ones we love” in these trying times.
Jesus on the cross but his face is the Crimson Ghost and the the shirt says "Die Die (For My Sins) My Savior".
(https://i.ibb.co/VgVjBF4/Warsaw-Cross.jpg)
Perfect.
(https://i.imgur.com/I0PExXV.jpeg)
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I just recieved my Warsaw mids in mail today and I must say, these really are some of the best looking and best skating mids I’ve ever tried! The modern, sleek silhouette combined with cutting edge premium materials provide excellent support and durability as well as unparalleled board feel. These are truly the perfect shoe and the clean design allow for a seemless transition from the streets to whatever comes next! Did I mention they come at a great price point because they sell direct to consumer and don’t have a team? I purchased mine directly from Instagram! Personally I think they look great very loosely laced with just the ends of the laces sticking out, I’m trying to make that part of my signature look.
Anyways I can’t wait to get my unity / promise ring in the mail and already looking forward to the upcoming James Cole colab!
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if you swipe on the ring post,
even the guy who’s making them, wears last resorts lol
what a funny guy, @popoffposer explain why ur papa thomas is so dense.
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I just recieved my Warsaw mids in mail today and I must say, these really are some of the best looking and best skating mids I’ve ever tried! The modern, sleek silhouette combined with cutting edge premium materials provide excellent support and durability as well as unparalleled board feel. These are truly the perfect shoe and the clean design allow for a seemless transition from the streets to whatever comes next! Did I mention they come at a great price point because they sell direct to consumer and don’t have a team? I purchased mine directly from Instagram! Personally I think they look great very loosely laced with just the ends of the laces sticking out, I’m trying to make that part of my signature look.
Anyways I can’t wait to get my unity / promise ring in the mail and already looking forward to the upcoming James Cole colab!
This has to be AI
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@Isuck is attacking us with robots!!!
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You don’t need to tag him. He’s reading all of it, trust
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@Isuck is attacking us with robots!!!
Maybe this was written by AI
(https://i.ibb.co/ggBjQY2/JAMIE-Texts-with-Jamie-Thomas1.png)
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Jamie never ceases to amaze me at how shitty of a human he is. Very Christian of him to turn his back on someone unless it’s beneficial to him.
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Jamie never ceases to amaze me at how shitty of a human he is. Very Christian of him to turn his back on someone unless it’s beneficial to him.
No, no, my brother in Christ, he’s being VERY Christian; it’s right there in the Bible…
Matthew 5:39 states "If anyone SLAPS your team bro with allegations of domestic violence, turn to them your mother fucking back."
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Jamie never ceases to amaze me at how shitty of a human he is. Very Christian of him to turn his back on someone unless it’s beneficial to him.
Matthew 5:39 states "If anyone SLAPS your team bro with allegations of domestic violence, turn to them your mother fucking back."
Oh I have no issues of him turning his back on Cole but the way he was so cold to Christine when she was reaching out for help is mind blowing levels of cowardice
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Jamie never ceases to amaze me at how shitty of a human he is. Very Christian of him to turn his back on someone unless it’s beneficial to him.
Matthew 5:39 states "If anyone SLAPS your team bro with allegations of domestic violence, turn to them your mother fucking back."
Oh I have no issues of him turning his back on Cole but the way he was so cold to Christine when she was reaching out for help is mind blowing levels of cowardice
Apologies if I was unclear w/ my ham fisted attempt at humor.
Should have read: If anyone SLAPS your team bro with allegations of domestic violence, turn to her your mother fucking back.
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I bet he still lurks slap...knows about the Jimmy Cole thread...most likely knew about his anger issues. As much time as they spent together Jaime had to had seen dude loose his shit
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No posts or rep on his account anymore
@I SUCK! you're a fucking coward
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You're looking at the wrong account - @I SUCK!
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You're looking at the wrong account - @I SUCK!
Ty, amended to hate accurately
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So someone bought me a pair of Warsaw Chapter Mids as a gift. Not something I would have ever purchased for myself, but I have them now and have been wearing them a bit, so thought I'd provide an unbiased review based on my experience. I'm a big Last Resort guy and obviously they're extremely similar so I thought some comparison photos would be in order.
(https://i.imgur.com/4jkB5Rz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MUiGC9l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R6zVcn6.jpg)
I would say sizing is TTS, they feel similar to Nike SB Blazers to me. The quality is good, suede feels nice, construction overall seems good. The tongue has straps so it stays centered really well. One of my biggest complaints is that the tongue is too short, when you tie your laces it hits at nearly the top of the tongue which is sort of annoying.
(https://i.imgur.com/jMgd3hR.jpg)
The ankle has a lot of padding, I could imagine this works for some people but personally its too much padding in the wrong spot. It rubs against my inner ankle bones, not so much that it gets raw but it's noticeable. The LRAB high tops maybe have an extra layer of suede or something but I wouldn't call them padded and that feels a lot better to me.
(https://i.imgur.com/nfnOzfF.jpg)
I have not skated the Warsaws but they seem like they'd be fine. The foxing is a little shorter around the toe than Last Resort but I imagine the flick would be similar. Insole is fine, nothing amazing. Comfortable for walking, not designed for high impact.
(https://i.imgur.com/CEdPXkE.jpeg)
Overall, the shoes are fine. There's definitely some design choices that I think make them worse than LRAB but these are personal nitpicks. I could see someone else loving all the ankle padding or whatever. Are they worth $110? Probably not. Are they worth $10 more than Last Resort? Probably not (especially since you can regularly get LRABs for $40-60 which is it's own conversation). Is it bringing anything new to the skate shoe market? No
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Thanks for the actual real world feedback.
I think the Chapter Mids in White actually look great. Good outline and silhouette. Better looking than the LR's.
I'd like to cop a pair if and when they end up on clearance for 50% off. I don't see these as a $110 shoe but for <$55 I'd try em.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKWYesAEjI
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Pretty convincing.
Love the insole
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Based on their production being in China, they could essentially be out of business already after their first run sells through…
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Based on their production being in China, they could essentially be out of business already after their first run sells through…
poor jamie
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Just buy some LRAB Jamie. You don’t have to try and make your own company for everything
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
Thanks Jamie!
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
Hey Jamie :) Just pull the plug on Warsaw
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
unfuck Last Resort, they feel good and have not Fallen™️ apart in my experience
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
unfuck Last Resort, they feel good and have not Fallen™️ apart in my experience
And they support a team and make sick videos
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
unfuck Last Resort, they feel good and have not Fallen™️ apart in my experience
And they support a team and make sick videos
Hey now Warsaw is trying its best to support Zero ok?
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These shoes are fucking nice. The quality of the material is unreal. Fuck Last Resort those shoes fall apart! Hours material are diet cheap.
unfuck Last Resort, they feel good and have not Fallen™️ apart in my experience
And they support a team and make sick videos
I got zero support for warsaw
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I bet he still lurks slap...knows about the Jimmy Cole thread...most likely knew about his anger issues. As much time as they spent together Jaime had to had seen dude loose his shit
Whenever I say something negative about him I get kooked, so I always just assume it was him.
For the record though, Thomas was my favorite pro growing up. I just get chaffed when he does something like this or goes ultra capitalist.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKWYesAEjI
These are ass. Just get a pair of Nike blazers.
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I was wondering if Warsaw actually materialized, so I entered ‘Warsaw Jamie Thomas’ into the old Lougle search engine and I was shocked to see that Warsaw is fully realized, but man o man these are some of the worst looking skate shoes I have ever seen and priced higher than than most of the major footwear shoes.
The grift is strong with this one…
https://warsawltd.com/collections/footwear
Corey Duffel model:
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/war-saw-cupsole-duffel-01-3.jpg?v=1763198816)
Ed Templeton model:
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/WARSAW_SU24_07_CHA_ET_PRO_1.png?v=1736627470)
Is there like some parallel universe where all the kids are clamoring for Warsaw shoes? Make it make sense.
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Corey Duffel model:
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/war-saw-cupsole-duffel-01-3.jpg?v=1763198816)
Theres a skate dad somewhere out there who doesnt need more shoes that will justify buying these by making the claim to his wife that they are part of his Wario halloween costume
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The Shoes & clothing looks really good, especially the BK photography collection. The Danny Sargeant front board shirt & deck are incredible.
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Corey Duffel model:
(https://warsawltd.com/cdn/shop/files/war-saw-cupsole-duffel-01-3.jpg?v=1763198816)
I have a feeling it’d go like “no hub sorry we aren’t stopping for duffmans warsaws we have sambas at home”
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Judging by the Wario boots Jimbo Thomas will do anything to not have to buy a pair of adidas
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Woah, a fucking Rose Anvil collaboration... 8)
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Laughed out loud when I noticed the price markup for the Rose Anvil collab, clicked through to the product page and got a pop up of Jamie in thousand yard stare model pose with his shoes untied and laughed even harder. This sucks
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A generational tragic
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A 100 dolars for vulcs shoes from Jamie Thomas ,easy pass