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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: dill8849 on March 06, 2024, 06:21:57 AM
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https://youtu.be/wzWE7tUn4BM?si=ah1Sds6PjavjCHQ-
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Hahaa
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prod be like "i make the money, you do the tricks"
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there's no business like horse business...
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Has Mikey delivered on his city council campaign promise of increasing the availability of public troughs for families in underserved communities? Maybe the rest of the council voted Nay.
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Has Mikey delivered on his city council campaign promise of increasing the availability of public troughs for families in underserved communities? Maybe the rest of the council voted Nay.
Has Mikey delivered?
Of horse not.
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Mikey as a business guru will never not be amusing. I guess why not though, ball players get taken seriously in their careers after the game, despite having no skills in business. He’s kind of smart to be trading on his skate career and to parlay that into the popularity contest of local politics. He does seem to fully buy into his own bullshit though, which could come to bite him financially.
The irony of interviewing p rod about skaters not getting paid when he’s the one doing the paying is pretty tone deaf. It’s literally his job to make sure they do get paid, and to sell and market his staff successfully.
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Some thoughts:
- If you use the term hater, especially in your late 30s, you are listening and it bothers you. Don't let them see you sweat.
- I'm not totally sure what core is, but it isn't a group of experienced skaters that are jealous of pros because they didn't make it themselves. Always being on, or conducting, douche bag-scammy-hustle culture podcasts isn't core either.
- I don't believe the mix that Paul gave for his retail to direct to consumer mix. A lot of normal skate shops feel that Primitive has the most aggressive direct to consumer approach. Most companies do it and don't rub shops the way Paul's does. I like their team and videos but I'm not too cool for not wanting a Sriracha collab deck.
- The St. Archer sale was a very lucky thing. Hundreds of better breweries would give anything to get out. Timing was very kind to them. All the best but I wouldn't pay money to listen to them speak about investment strategies. https://www.molsoncoorsblog.com/news/molson-coors-cease-operations-saint-archer-sell-san-diego-brewery-kings-convicts-brewing
- I'm sincerely happy to hear that Paul took 15K from McDonalds for an Instagram post. Don't think he's conflicted at all as he's mentioned it publicly a few times. "I don't know if I'd let Margot Robbie blow me again..."
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These dudes should have been pro in 1993...when pros REALLY weren't making any money.
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Watched a little bit of this and Mikey's idea at 20:26 that most "core" skaters get free product is pretty clueless. I agree with a a bit of what he was saying but stuff like him thinking most 16-18 year olds are sponsored really shows how the knowledge he's trying to project of the skate community is really just knowledge of the small bubble he was in.
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prod be like "i make the money, you do the tricks"
and says "we did it baby" after Felipe Mota's ender. We kf front blunted that rail, did we now?
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What a lie, pro skateboarders make a lot of money. I've seen the contests where Beagle and Gary hand out crisp 20's if you risk it all and land some nbd.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVP_LLk0GkI
i watched all of mind field the other day, i'm good on the Real Estate Equine for the next year or two
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No sir, I don't like it.
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askin a top 1% skater why skaters arent making money....
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Has Mikey delivered on his city council campaign promise of increasing the availability of public troughs for families in underserved communities? Maybe the rest of the council voted Nay.
Of horse not.
Is this a pony express joke?
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Even between these two soulless money fiends, you can tell which one doesn't skate anymore by seeing which one has the empty, sad hollowness in their equine eyes.
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Money makes money
Horses make horses
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Either way, nobody is making as much money as Burnett. That guy gets paid so much fucking money!
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- The St. Archer sale was a very lucky thing. Hundreds of better breweries would give anything to get out. Timing was very kind to them. All the best but I wouldn't pay money to listen to them speak about investment strategies. https://www.molsoncoorsblog.com/news/molson-coors-cease-operations-saint-archer-sell-san-diego-brewery-kings-convicts-brewing
It's funny to hear a business "guru" talk about how the real money in owning a company is essentially pump and dumping it. While I commend anyone who pulls it off, it's still a rich man's con game that very few people get to play. I've got nothing against duping a big conglomerate into buying your brand, but none of that knowledge is valuable to 99% of people.
I don't know what the solution is for skate companies but I honestly feel like board companies should have smaller teams that pay more per rider. Like I think it's almost worse for a rider to make $1000 than to make nothing at all. To have obligations and pressure from a company that pays you 12k a year is crazy.
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Been a follower do what I
I’m told
Been looking at life
Money not there
My ability is there for skill
Why am I not getting paid
the big money
If you can’t see my value I
can’t do this
I need more money
120,000 a year is not
happening
I need Amount of
money
It’s all about the money for
right now nothing personal
10,000 is okay not great
but we need to work out
some type of residual.
My talent is worth more
than 10000
My name is worth more
than 10000 a month
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Was surprised to hear P-Rod say Primitive hasn't turned a profit. They release so many collabs to the mainstream that you'd think it was profitable as hell by now. And I'd thought that for the past few years, Primitive has been prolly one of the better board brands out there in terms of mainstream recognition which = more money.
Also shocked to hear that most skaters these days cant hit the minimums on their board sales so they're paid a monthly flat rate of ~$1K which is apparently a lot?!?
ACTUAL pro skaters gotta get paid more. Tired of seeing all this IG skater shit who don't care about the culture and looking to get famous.
Makes me wonder which pro has the highest selling board in skateboarding right now too and how many boards they're churning.
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http://youtu.be/GxTwafhzu7M?si=SxiNqDwJohaQAgwE (http://youtu.be/GxTwafhzu7M?si=SxiNqDwJohaQAgwE)
Soty push continues
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I muscled through half of this video while I was making dinner last night and Mikey brought up the "message boards" at least 3 separate times. He definitely lurks and is salty about what he sees lol. Not sure why people avoid uttering the name "SLAP" in favor of using "message boards" ambiguously. I guess this place is the "message board that shall not be named" now.
I too was surprised to hear that Primitive doesn't turn huge profits with their endless collabs. Could have fooled me.
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Was surprised to hear P-Rod say Primitive hasn't turned a profit. They release so many collabs to the mainstream that you'd think it was profitable as hell by now. And I'd thought that for the past few years, Primitive has been prolly one of the better board brands out there in terms of mainstream recognition which = more money.
Also shocked to hear that most skaters these days cant hit the minimums on their board sales so they're paid a monthly flat rate of ~$1K which is apparently a lot?!?
ACTUAL pro skaters gotta get paid more. Tired of seeing all this IG skater shit who don't care about the culture and looking to get famous.
Makes me wonder which pro has the highest selling board in skateboarding right now too and how many boards they're churning.
Not turning profit on Primitive is honestly crazy because I feel like I remember my friends buying primitive boards from shops almost a decade ago, how is it still open? Just PROD funding it out of pocket or do they just make enough to get by? Really strange considering the boards were in Zumies and everything.
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All profits went to the Tesla they’re giving away, smart thinking!
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its simple american math my dudes. spend the money on product, assets, salaries, marketing and you dont have to pay taxes
no "profit" though ;)
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its simple american math my dudes. spend the money on product, assets, salaries, marketing and you dont have to pay taxes
no "profit" though ;)
Compliance officers love this one simple trick!
Listening to these two is mind numbing, Mikey hamfisting in every monetary/business 101 term he’s heard at every turn while prod is waxing about his unrelatable “adult” interests like buggati’s which he doesn’t have? So you have a car poster, or like a race car bed?
At least they both opened up a little about how both of the business are not exactly “out of the woods” as they put it and that they both think selling is where their payday will come.
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Mikey Taylor definitely knows a thing or two about making hay.
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Mikey Taylor definitely knows a thing or two about making hay.
I hope when p rod walked in he said “why the long face?”
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No sir, I don't like it.
Underrated comment! Gnar this man!
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Mikey has the most punchable face since Brad Staba.
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I'd feel bad about skate brands not making any money, but in reality these brands don't bring any innovation to the field and only subsist on hype. Compare these brands to a vitamin/leggins brand from an influencer and you'd give even less a damn.
On the other hand, no innovation keeps the sport democratic and easy to enter - every board is probably more or less good enough etc.
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Was surprised to hear P-Rod say Primitive hasn't turned a profit. They release so many collabs to the mainstream that you'd think it was profitable as hell by now. And I'd thought that for the past few years, Primitive has been prolly one of the better board brands out there in terms of mainstream recognition which = more money.
Also shocked to hear that most skaters these days cant hit the minimums on their board sales so they're paid a monthly flat rate of ~$1K which is apparently a lot?!?
ACTUAL pro skaters gotta get paid more. Tired of seeing all this IG skater shit who don't care about the culture and looking to get famous.
Makes me wonder which pro has the highest selling board in skateboarding right now too and how many boards they're churning.
Makes the Keelan wanting more than $10k a month ten years ago seem even more crazy now. There was a NZ skater years ago that pretty much said you're way better off just working a normal job and being on flow than actually trying to be a pro skateboarder.
The rumour is Andy Anderson has the top selling board. My guess is it's ishod or foy
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You know he’s sick at horse betting though. I bet the other guys at the track would kill for that level of insight.
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Was surprised to hear P-Rod say Primitive hasn't turned a profit. They release so many collabs to the mainstream that you'd think it was profitable as hell by now. And I'd thought that for the past few years, Primitive has been prolly one of the better board brands out there in terms of mainstream recognition which = more money.
Also shocked to hear that most skaters these days cant hit the minimums on their board sales so they're paid a monthly flat rate of ~$1K which is apparently a lot?!?
ACTUAL pro skaters gotta get paid more. Tired of seeing all this IG skater shit who don't care about the culture and looking to get famous.
Makes me wonder which pro has the highest selling board in skateboarding right now too and how many boards they're churning.
Doesn't surprise me at all. The best way to make money is for the company to NOT be profitable by making the profits disappear in "overheads". You only pay tax on profits, so if there's no profit..............
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Yeah there's no way Primitive isn't make a profit in the traditional sense. You don't pay for a Spanish Mike and a custom park full time if you're losing money for 10 years.
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P-Rod had every opportunity to make his company a profitable venture. If they seriously are at a point where they can't make this work, then they really can only blame themselves and not the industry as a whole. They have an absurd level of talent on their roster. But a lot of companies pumped too much shit into the marketplace without considering the long-term repercussions, riding the high of the COVID boom and not seeing any future decline in demand as a possibility. But, like a lot of other companies outside of the industry have discovered (Netflix comes to mind), there is a physical limit on how many people can consume your product. Board sales across the board have cratered. Guys like this are one of the biggest issues in the industry because they are so short sighted that they only have income, revenue, and marketshare as their focus. They don't know how to actually build a sustainable business that can last and provide properly for the people working in the brand. There is absolutely no brand image besides a lazy and blatant copy of the Detroit Tigers logo (which isn't even how an old english P would look like). It's all numbers to them, which is why we've gotten all these collabs.
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I'm sure that to whatever extent Primitive isn't "Turning a profit", prod's no doubt substantial salary is coming in on time. It's pretty typical for company owners to talk about their own salaries as a business expense, rather than a measure of profitability. Being paid for the work you do isn't really being paid, oh you didn't know?
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yep. "After salaries, rent on warehouse, rent on park, buying product, paying team, doing trips, filming videos, eating, daily allowance, etc etc, we're making no profit at all."
Wouldn't be surprised if he rents his own cars back to his company and claims that as an expense.
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Enjoyed that more than I thought I would. Interesting to get the insight on Prod's ventures and the industry. It's no secret that most pro's aren't making a lot of money - at least not from the board company. It seems obvious that Prod's money comes from Nike and his other investments/opportunities. Primitive might not be turning a "profit" but there's plenty of huge companies that didn't for decades - i.e. Amazon. You can't really compare them but obviously they're able to keep the company going. Prod said it himself - he considers himself an employee of Primitive - so I'd imagine he's paying himself a good salary from it.
But the candid conversations about building wealth and how most skaters are financially illiterate - or just not thinking about it - isn't something you hear people get into on podcasts. Found it interesting.
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When Paul has to tell Tiago that he has to kill himself for another part for only 12K a year.
(http://y.yarn.co/48923bc8-3df3-4748-b43b-9240092e8445_text.gif)
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Enjoyed that more than I thought I would. Interesting to get the insight on Prod's ventures and the industry. It's no secret that most pro's aren't making a lot of money - at least not from the board company. It seems obvious that Prod's money comes from Nike and his other investments/opportunities. Primitive might not be turning a "profit" but there's plenty of huge companies that didn't for decades - i.e. Amazon. You can't really compare them but obviously they're able to keep the company going. Prod said it himself - he considers himself an employee of Primitive - so I'd imagine he's paying himself a good salary from it.
But the candid conversations about building wealth and how most skaters are financially illiterate - or just not thinking about it - isn't something you hear people get into on podcasts. Found it interesting.
Difference between Amazon and Primitive is that Bezos was pretty much a nobody before Amazon, P-Rod has been a legend for years and has those business connections that he relied upon to launch his own company. I mean the guy was watching the operations of both Girl and Plan B and taking all the notes he needed to launch his own brand, only quitting to get a bigger piece of the pie. Also, Amazon wasn't a product that had circulation in nearly every skate shop, zumiez store, vans store (that carries skate shit), tillys in the country. For god's sake they have a iPhone app for the brand. The only reason primitive exists is for his own greed and to benefit his brand. The graphics suck, the clothing is awful quality, and they can't stop doing collabs. Guy is shilling everything from McRibs to Fender guitars.
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yep. "After salaries, rent on warehouse, rent on park, buying product, paying team, doing trips, filming videos, eating, daily allowance, etc etc, we're making no profit at all."
Wouldn't be surprised if he rents his own cars back to his company and claims that as an expense.
Behind any long running business is a savvy accountant telling them how to keep the lights on with creative bookkeeping. He probably consulted his accounting before talking to horse man and was advised to say they barely turn a profit.
Only poor people pay taxes in the USA.
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The rumour is Andy Anderson has the top selling board. My guess is it's ishod or foy
More evidence we are on the darkest timeline.
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The rumour is Andy Anderson has the top selling board. My guess is it's ishod or foy
1. &&
2. Tony Hawk/Hawk vs wolf
3. Cr0b
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Money makes money
Horses make horses glue
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Who was the other guy on the couch, like Mikey’s trainer or jockey or something?
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Was prod the first to put his name on a shoe with the 3 digit price range?
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its simple american math my dudes. spend the money on product, assets, salaries, marketing and you dont have to pay taxes
no "profit" though ;)
at some point though, prod and his partners gotta pay themselves? totally get investing the "profit" back into the business to avoid taxes. just cant imagine the owners of primitive aren't receiving any money to pay themselves after i think 10ish years in business?
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I'd feel bad about skate brands not making any money, but in reality these brands don't bring any innovation to the field and only subsist on hype. Compare these brands to a vitamin/leggins brand from an influencer and you'd give even less a damn.
On the other hand, no innovation keeps the sport democratic and easy to enter - every board is probably more or less good enough etc.
yup - i miss the days when companies released a handful of graphics each year. made certain ones more iconic which probably resulted in more long term sales. hence why they gotta keep reissuing classic graphics. these days they just churn out shitty basic graphics. there's obviously a need for more artistic direction with reissue popularity. tbh i kinda like the graphics thank you has been releasing but not enough for me to buy. at least some of what they're producing is unique
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Was surprised to hear P-Rod say Primitive hasn't turned a profit. They release so many collabs to the mainstream that you'd think it was profitable as hell by now. And I'd thought that for the past few years, Primitive has been prolly one of the better board brands out there in terms of mainstream recognition which = more money.
Also shocked to hear that most skaters these days cant hit the minimums on their board sales so they're paid a monthly flat rate of ~$1K which is apparently a lot?!?
ACTUAL pro skaters gotta get paid more. Tired of seeing all this IG skater shit who don't care about the culture and looking to get famous.
Makes me wonder which pro has the highest selling board in skateboarding right now too and how many boards they're churning.
The rumour is Andy Anderson has the top selling board. My guess is it's ishod or foy
i've heard the andy anderson rumor too. i also made a guess at foy or ishod.
believe it or not, clive dixon has the top selling board on zumiez. the graphic is sick and he rips but shocked he's the top seller since he's more of a core skater. 2nd place is mike carroll with a hello kitty graphic (lol).
based on best selling pro graphics from zumiez, it seems like people are buying based on graphics vs. pro names since almost none of the top sellers are who you'd think. further making the case that these brands gotta go back to making cool graphics.
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Who was the other guy on the couch, like Mikey’s trainer or jockey or something?
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I didn't mean to mention Amazon as if it was a direct (or even really similar) comparison - they're obviously very different companies. I just mentioned them as an example of a company that wasn't turning a profit for nearly a decade and still considered "successful" during that time.
A company can get by on high revenues and low or non-existent profits. Not turning a profit doesn't exactly mean they aren't having a positive cash flow - they just use that to reinvest in the business and fund other ventures. As Primitive isn't a publicly traded company, I'm sure Prod is just getting a (good) salary and probably using his company for some huge tax write offs.
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They say that the difference of a pinion is what makes a horse race.
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Was prod the first to put his name on a shoe with the 3 digit price range?
Muska was the first. His éS show retailed at $100+ around 1998.
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The more interesting topic is who is shifting the most boards.
I can hear Ishod or Foy just when you think of how many shops in the world sell Baker/Deathwish/Deluxe.
I don’t own a shop but I know there are shop owners on here. Am I right in thinking bedroom companies are no longer shifting units and sort of out of favour with core shops?
I don’t think he’s a best seller but I’m pretty sure Craig management are quite happy to keep Crob and Jeron models in circulation. Makes cents.
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I'll take a guess and say that Penny is up there with his Cheech and Chong boards and SC moves a tone of Dressen boards.
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The rumour is Andy Anderson has the top selling board. My guess is it's ishod or foy
It may still be, but it was && from 2020-2021 for sure. Those Flight boards were selling out instantly and going on eBay for 2-3x’s retail. Now it seems like supply has caught up and they’re on sale everywhere.
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its simple american math my dudes. spend the money on product, assets, salaries, marketing and you dont have to pay taxes
no "profit" though ;)
at some point though, prod and his partners gotta pay themselves? totally get investing the "profit" back into the business to avoid taxes. just cant imagine the owners of primitive aren't receiving any money to pay themselves after i think 10ish years in business?
they gettin paid the entire time dingus
what even is a salary these days?
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The rumour is Andy Anderson has the top selling board. My guess is it's ishod or foy
Probably because he went the old school route; One board in a special shape, just like in the 80's. not a whatever graphic with a name slapped on every season. I saw an interview with rich novak of SC and he tells about how guys like rob rosskopp made a lot of money that way.
Companies should take notes from powell seeing as they're in business since the dawn of skateboarding, surely they know what they're doing.
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No sir, I don't like it.
;) gnar’d
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Gifted Hater did a great piece on this the other day. Hope he puts it on YouTube. Nailed it.