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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: QixHexagon on April 08, 2024, 09:52:27 AM
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Enjoyed this a lot. Cleared all stairs by some 5 feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TXxzjyZNgw
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Damn, I watched for a min and now it's gone.
Music choice is perfect although maybe thats why it got pulled.
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bummer it's gone, the song & edit were nice. zach a smooth operator
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No idea either on why the video was taken down. I'll edit the first post when they upload again.
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Come on kings and queens let’s see this part
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I would imagine tyshawn has some renewed respect for FA while trying to run King. Two years in and I feel like they’ve done nothing but one half baked promo, a handful of copy paste graphic boards, and upload and then take down a Zach saraceno part
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Need to see this stat, what’s the hold up?
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Been waiting for this one, let’s see it King!
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Been waiting for this one, let’s see it King!
Who me? i don't have it.
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imo this guy will end up being the best guy on the team! kinda wack Tyshawn and Nak havent given him a board! i feel like you could bring this guy to any spot and hed get hella clips kinda like zered bassett, and hes not even really a grown man yet. probably my favorite part on the godspeed video. cant wait to see this footage! king's blowing it!!! ;D
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imo this guy will end up being the best guy on the team! kinda wack Tyshawn and Nak havent given him a board! i feel like you could bring this guy to any spot and hed get hella clips kinda like zered bassett, and hes not even really a grown man yet. probably my favorite part on the godspeed video. cant wait to see this footage! king's blowing it!!! ;D
Got good news for ya! https://www.kingskateboards.com/products/zach-saraceno-kingdom-deck
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Wouldn’t surprised if they uploaded it just to delete it. Thats an existing cool guy instagram play
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imo this guy will end up being the best guy on the team! kinda wack Tyshawn and Nak havent given him a board! i feel like you could bring this guy to any spot and hed get hella clips kinda like zered bassett, and hes not even really a grown man yet. probably my favorite part on the godspeed video. cant wait to see this footage! king's blowing it!!! ;D
Got good news for ya! https://www.kingskateboards.com/products/zach-saraceno-kingdom-deck
Just shameless, lazy AI graphics all around these days. So gross. People still can’t fully spot it yet or maybe don’t grasp how wack it is to replace an actual human with some thoughtless prompt. Hopefully after a few years it gets called out and ostracized.
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I think Darkstar might have better graphics than King rn
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I think Darkstar might have better graphics than King rn
at least they had an actual artist do the graphics ...
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imo this guy will end up being the best guy on the team! kinda wack Tyshawn and Nak havent given him a board! i feel like you could bring this guy to any spot and hed get hella clips kinda like zered bassett, and hes not even really a grown man yet. probably my favorite part on the godspeed video. cant wait to see this footage! king's blowing it!!! ;D
Got good news for ya! https://www.kingskateboards.com/products/zach-saraceno-kingdom-deck
Just shameless, lazy AI graphics all around these days. So gross. People still can’t fully spot it yet or maybe don’t grasp how wack it is to replace an actual human with some thoughtless prompt. Hopefully after a few years it gets called out and ostracized.
What’s the best way to spot if it’s AI graphics? I’m not sure if I can always tell.
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imo this guy will end up being the best guy on the team! kinda wack Tyshawn and Nak havent given him a board! i feel like you could bring this guy to any spot and hed get hella clips kinda like zered bassett, and hes not even really a grown man yet. probably my favorite part on the godspeed video. cant wait to see this footage! king's blowing it!!! ;D
Got good news for ya! https://www.kingskateboards.com/products/zach-saraceno-kingdom-deck
Just shameless, lazy AI graphics all around these days. So gross. People still can’t fully spot it yet or maybe don’t grasp how wack it is to replace an actual human with some thoughtless prompt. Hopefully after a few years it gets called out and ostracized.
What’s the best way to spot if it’s AI graphics? I’m not sure if I can always tell.
Nothing about this says ai to me. I am on mobile tho so I didn't look too hard
To answer your q: most people say hands but it's getting better at hands. Usually it's around necklines and necklaces/,jewellery being misaligned or just randomly channging or ending.
Look for things a human would never do. In Decenzos monkey brand the phone chord kinda doesn't connect to anything in a way a human would draw it, and the typewriter was backwards.
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not convinced that's an ai graphic. it's also 10x better than the stuff they were putting out earlier. definitely way above shit like Darkstar, Plan B, Powell, etc.
it actually reminds me of FA/Hockey with its layered collage style and inclusion of renaissance paintings, but with less of a dark/edgy vibe.
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imo this guy will end up being the best guy on the team! kinda wack Tyshawn and Nak havent given him a board! i feel like you could bring this guy to any spot and hed get hella clips kinda like zered bassett, and hes not even really a grown man yet. probably my favorite part on the godspeed video. cant wait to see this footage! king's blowing it!!! ;D
Got good news for ya! https://www.kingskateboards.com/products/zach-saraceno-kingdom-deck
Just shameless, lazy AI graphics all around these days. So gross. People still can’t fully spot it yet or maybe don’t grasp how wack it is to replace an actual human with some thoughtless prompt. Hopefully after a few years it gets called out and ostracized.
What’s the best way to spot if it’s AI graphics? I’m not sure if I can always tell.
Nothing about this says ai to me. I am on mobile tho so I didn't look too hard
To answer your q: most people say hands but it's getting better at hands. Usually it's around necklines and necklaces/,jewellery being misaligned or just randomly channging or ending.
Look for things a human would never do. In Decenzos monkey brand the phone chord kinda doesn't connect to anything in a way a human would draw it, and the typewriter was backwards.
I don't think this is AI As its just a collage of famous art pieces. Unless an AI can do collage. maybe it can, but I mean, I feel like it'd be more work to get AI to do a style of graphic. madeness, opera, TKF, Disorder, FA, WKND, etc have all managed to accomplish.
this other graphic looks like something Slap would post in that other king thread. If it's on the shelf when I need a board, i'm buying it.
https://www.kingskateboards.com/cdn/shop/files/mickey-king_1800x1800.jpg?v=1712463720
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(https://i.postimg.cc/cJkXYcnT/IMG-1675.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/66vY2n5L/IMG-1676.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn9xY4Kk/IMG-1677.jpg)
I could spend more time breaking it down but you get the idea.
Just be very critical of anything with a digital collage style composition where various art styles are mixed. Once you start really observing them you’ll be able to spot them a mile away.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/cJkXYcnT/IMG-1675.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/66vY2n5L/IMG-1676.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn9xY4Kk/IMG-1677.jpg)
I could spend more time breaking it down but you get the idea.
Just be very critical of anything with a digital collage style composition where various art styles are mixed. Once you start really observing them you’ll be able to spot them a mile away.
Dunno what you think you're seeing here?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/cJkXYcnT/IMG-1675.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/66vY2n5L/IMG-1676.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn9xY4Kk/IMG-1677.jpg)
I could spend more time breaking it down but you get the idea.
Just be very critical of anything with a digital collage style composition where various art styles are mixed. Once you start really observing them you’ll be able to spot them a mile away.
Dunno what you think you're seeing here?
While I agree that AI-anything sucks ass and doesn't count as art, just trash, that board graphic isn't AI, just a digital collage.
Like that upper part is from Tom Collins Jitterbug Perfume cover. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Jitterbug_Perfume.jpg)
And the hands from this one:
(https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780399508516-us.jpg)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/0jCJ75qT/IMG-1688.jpg)
You think a human did this?
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
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the sade board is kinda fire
i’m a sade fan though both sonically and visually
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF57FxEUYAE1vpV.jpg)
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that mini castle model would make a better board graphic
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can we all agree to stop posting in this thread until the part is back up? I keep checking back to watch the part but just keep getting more and more disappointed in that graphic.
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can we all agree to stop posting in this thread until the part is back up? I keep checking back to watch the part but just keep getting more and more disappointed in that graphic.
ok I agree
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpMT4NxGpw&list=PLUmky1jNhUlG9YirivuMK-S_t2MdJsgNT&index=71&ab_channel=ZakAllegri
Watch this in the meantime
It's the same song.
RIP to one of the greatest indoors.
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF57FxEUYAE1vpV.jpg)
im weak as hell
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can we all agree to stop posting in this thread until the part is back up? I keep checking back to watch the part but just keep getting more and more disappointed in that graphic.
just saw this, my fault og
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can we all agree to stop posting in this thread until the part is back up? I keep checking back to watch the part but just keep getting more and more disappointed in that graphic.
just saw this, my fault og
its all good homie.
FUCK MY BAD EVERYONE!
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF57FxEUYAE1vpV.jpg)
im weak as hell
Hey man sometimes you call something out and then regret it, happens to everyone. My bad.
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF57FxEUYAE1vpV.jpg)
im weak as hell
Hey man sometimes you call something out and then regret it, happens to everyone. My bad.
never that
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF57FxEUYAE1vpV.jpg)
im weak as hell
Hey man sometimes you call something out and then regret it, happens to everyone. My bad.
never that
So good
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ok well the sources have been provided so I was wrong with my assessment that it’s entirely generated, but they still could have fed those images in as a source and the AI could have mashed it all up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF57FxEUYAE1vpV.jpg)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
It had to be an issue with the music licensing. Apparently the people over at King skateboards just rip what they want and worry about the consequences later
(https://i.postimg.cc/mknW2kzG/IMG-1722.jpg)
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
It had to be an issue with the music licensing. Apparently the people over at King skateboards just rip what they want and worry about the consequences later
(https://i.postimg.cc/mknW2kzG/IMG-1722.jpg)
and this example you're giving of ripping off a Disney character or pop culture imagery is new to skateboarding since when? lol give it up dude.
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
It had to be an issue with the music licensing. Apparently the people over at King skateboards just rip what they want and worry about the consequences later
(https://i.postimg.cc/mknW2kzG/IMG-1722.jpg)
and this example you're giving of ripping off a Disney character or pop culture imagery is new to skateboarding since when? lol give it up dude.
Ripping off pop culture once in a while is fine but when almost every graphic you put out is either stolen art, AI or a straight copy/paste of existing imagery how do you defend that? Remember when skateboard graphics were done by actual artists who got paid for their work? Those still exist. Stop simping for Tyshawn
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can we all agree to stop posting in this thread until the part is back up? I keep checking back to watch the part but just keep getting more and more disappointed in that graphic.
Completely in agreement
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
It had to be an issue with the music licensing. Apparently the people over at King skateboards just rip what they want and worry about the consequences later
I thought this was this case but it's a Lil Wayne song.
Weezy loves skateboarding does he not :o
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
It had to be an issue with the music licensing. Apparently the people over at King skateboards just rip what they want and worry about the consequences later
I thought this was this case but it's a Lil Wayne song.
Weezy loves skateboarding does he not :o
Probably not up to weezy alone
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpMT4NxGpw&list=PLUmky1jNhUlG9YirivuMK-S_t2MdJsgNT&index=71&ab_channel=ZakAllegri
Watch this in the meantime
It's the same song.
RIP to one of the greatest indoors.
What happened to Cal's? It went from a giant, amazing shop with this park into a small, boutique store with almost zero presence (AFAICT)
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Just saw the part - AMA
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OK - regardless whether its an AI graphic or its just a digital collage - im still not feeling it in the slightest
a human still did not draw what I consider to be an original graphic ;D
man cant believe the part came up and down like that i am actually a huge fan of this guy's skating!
DM'd Zach like a man KING
It had to be an issue with the music licensing. Apparently the people over at King skateboards just rip what they want and worry about the consequences later
I thought this was this case but it's a Lil Wayne song.
Weezy loves skateboarding does he not :o
Probably not up to weezy alone
Wayne actually got a copyright claim for using his own song in his own videopart haha
Don't have the timestamp but he talked about it in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgsArMSGpUo
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They posted a story on instagram that the part is dropping tomorrow on their YouTube channel. What Lil Wayne song was used? I’m assuming the song is probably owned by Universal Music or whoever does his publishing and licensing. Wayne probably wouldn’t care or would sign off on it if it was up to him. Speaking of rapping skaters, Tyshawn had a verse with ASAP Ferg a couple years ago, it was on a Thrasher edit. Ferg rapped “Got Tyshawn on my beat, got Tyshawn’s on my feet.” Looked for the track and edit but seems to be wiped from the internet.
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They posted a story on instagram that the part is dropping tomorrow on their YouTube channel. What Lil Wayne song was used? I’m assuming the song is probably owned by Universal Music or whoever does his publishing and licensing. Wayne probably wouldn’t care or would sign off on it if it was up to him. Speaking of rapping skaters, Tyshawn had a verse with ASAP Ferg a couple years ago, it was on a Thrasher edit. Ferg rapped “Got Tyshawn on my beat, got Tyshawn’s on my feet.” Looked for the track and edit but seems to be wiped from the internet.
Thats so tough haha
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the sade board is kinda fire
i’m a sade fan though both sonically and visually
They should have titled it
Your Love is King
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https://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw?si=03-lEQipOpZAWHXZ (https://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw?si=03-lEQipOpZAWHXZ)
http://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw
I went through a heavy lil wayne phase in high school and we wore that mixtape out.
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jesus man
not a single tic tac
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Great skater but he needs better fits.
I’m sure I’ll hear Colonel K on the Mostly podcast busting his load over football jerseys and von Dutch looking baseball caps but I ain’t backing it.
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great skating. naks clips were really impressive too
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So good. Great filming, skating, etc.
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Is he skating the Tyshawn 2 in some clips?
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kinda looks like AJ Soprano in before he had his heart broken and that nasty ass facial hair.
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Great skating. Solid filming and editing. Did anyone notice any differences from the first upload? I didn’t get to see it before they took it down. I didn’t think his fits were bad by any means. The blinged out Hardies trucker hat isn’t something I’d wear but he’s made it part of his kit for awhile now. Seems to be locked in tight with Tyshawn and his sponsors. King, Hardies and Adidas. Doubt he will get on Supreme, seems like he’s too clean cut, talented and productive to fit the roster.
kinda looks like AJ Soprano in before he had his heart broken and that nasty ass facial hair.
Funny you say that, I was just telling my buddy that Lido Junior looks like AJ the 3rd.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C5pSipsxoB9/?igsh=MTJuODMweWowMDJhbA==
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https://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw?si=03-lEQipOpZAWHXZ (https://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw?si=03-lEQipOpZAWHXZ)
http://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw
I went through a heavy lil wayne phase in high school and we wore that mixtape out.
Chewy "Cannon"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpMT4NxGpw&list=PLUmky1jNhUlG9YirivuMK-S_t2MdJsgNT&index=71&ab_channel=ZakAllegri
Watch this in the meantime
It's the same song.
RIP to one of the greatest indoors.
Oh my god I grew up here literally from age 5. I miss this park so fucking much and think about it almost daily. Closed right as I started high school. RIP to the greatest indoor of all time is right.
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I'd literally be down to support these guys if they buckle down and hire actual artists to design graphics. Tyshawn has the means to pump more into the brand. Part was great.
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Updated the first post with the video.
To reply other user: I dont see any difference from the old video, at least in tricks/editing and length. However, I honestly remember the original song because was not my style so I cant say if that was changed.
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Isn't this dad music at this point? like the equivelent of using rockwell in rodney mullen vs daewon song.
Solid part. Not really my cup of tea, but I get the hype.
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I'd literally be down to support these guys if they buckle down and hire actual artists to design graphics. Tyshawn has the means to pump more into the brand. Part was great.
they have a designer i think. jake_stufff on IG
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpMT4NxGpw&list=PLUmky1jNhUlG9YirivuMK-S_t2MdJsgNT&index=71&ab_channel=ZakAllegri
Watch this in the meantime
It's the same song.
RIP to one of the greatest indoors.
Oh my god I grew up here literally from age 5. I miss this park so fucking much and think about it almost daily. Closed right as I started high school. RIP to the greatest indoor of all time is right.
Same. I spent countless hours there from the 1st park to 2nd iteration.
One of my favorite memories was seeing Phil Trotter around the shop and he complimented my skating haha
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https://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw?si=03-lEQipOpZAWHXZ (https://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw?si=03-lEQipOpZAWHXZ)
http://youtu.be/9TXxzjyZNgw
I went through a heavy lil wayne phase in high school and we wore that mixtape out.
someone hasn't been sleeping in The Zone
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I like how Air Jordan the thumbnail is.
Got the sense on that nollie flip -> powerslide clip that he wasn't even thinking about the nollie flip and moreso concentrating on dodging the wall. Effortless jumper.
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Dudes got it.
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I'd literally be down to support these guys if they buckle down and hire actual artists to design graphics. Tyshawn has the means to pump more into the brand. Part was great.
they have a designer i think. jake_stufff on IG
this man is no designer he makes collages, glorified scrapbooker
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he's definitely got it and keeps getting better. double nollie flip and double back 360 lines in the same part? chef's kiss.
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I posted this in the Crazy Instagram thread, but how well he did this switch blew me away:
http://www.instagram.com/p/Cz9RPUWxVbl/
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Isn't this dad music at this point? like the equivelent of using rockwell in rodney mullen vs daewon song.
Maybe this is a dad take, but I think we've reached the point where "Classic Rap" makes sense as a concept and kids are free to discover (via TikTok) all the 3-6 Mafia and Wayne songs behind the samples in the Drake, Future, etc. songs, and peak Lil Wayne has the right ethos for this kind of supremely confident and clean hucking in a way that, idk, mumble rap (maybe this is a bad characterization of new rap) doesn't.
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Dude is too good he has to be secretly balding or something. Nice pace on that edit and as someone said some good filming too.
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Dude does things proper!
Looked at stuff that Jake has done and Zach's board is an old Heath Nyjah graphic :D
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJz2kH_D6Mv/
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I used the same text font as in the part in my spring edit 2012😎😎😎
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Dude does things proper!
Looked at stuff that Jake has done and Zach's board is an old Heath Nyjah graphic :D
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJz2kH_D6Mv/
Lol what a lazy mf
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he's like a less versatile toby ryan with a punchable face
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Style is so good. That nollie varial flip was insane.
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Enjoyed this a lot. Cleared all stairs by some 5 feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TXxzjyZNgw
I wouldn’t say that.
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I had the pleasure of watching this guy warm up at the skatepark a while back. He’s something special. I remember seeing Appleyard in his prime and it’s a similar feeling to that. A graceful confident style.
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he's like a less versatile toby ryan with a punchable face
Toby Ryan NBDd wallenberg and no one cared. Toby Ryan couldn’t tolerate king hazing for a second. Toby Ryan graphics on real will remain ass cheeks compared to Zach on king
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That was really good.
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good shit
and of course that skanky pop dude had to squeeze his ass in there with an obnoxios clip
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpMT4NxGpw&list=PLUmky1jNhUlG9YirivuMK-S_t2MdJsgNT&index=71&ab_channel=ZakAllegri
Watch this in the meantime
It's the same song.
RIP to one of the greatest indoors.
Nice! I used to go there when I was a kid. It ruled! Saw a bunch of demos and video premieres there too! Baby Tyler Bledsoe, Jayme Fortune doing awesome shit and being a dick… Legendary!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpMT4NxGpw&list=PLUmky1jNhUlG9YirivuMK-S_t2MdJsgNT&index=71&ab_channel=ZakAllegri
Watch this in the meantime
It's the same song.
RIP to one of the greatest indoors.
Oh my god I grew up here literally from age 5. I miss this park so fucking much and think about it almost daily. Closed right as I started high school. RIP to the greatest indoor of all time is right.
Same. I spent countless hours there from the 1st park to 2nd iteration.
One of my favorite memories was seeing Phil Trotter around the shop and he complimented my skating haha
Hell yeah! One of my greatest skateboarding memories is Louie Bartlett clapping for me at Dept when I landed a fs flip fake nose grind
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haven't seen a sw back heel that memorable since Reynolds
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haven't seen a sw back heel that memorable since Reynolds
Clearly wasn’t v memorable but Miles did it down Wallenberg lol
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Dudes got it.
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Magic touch
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Dudes got it. Hope we see the more of the ledge skills from him as well in the future
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C5xSGAHptbD/
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Thought it was a new stylin' on you for a second there
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C5xSGAHptbD/
this might be some of their best work.
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this might be some of their best work.
holy shit I'm not on instagram so I've never seen this account, but this account may be the sole reason I get back on it.
kidding. I'm a much happier and healthier person not being on social media and you probably would be to <3
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this might be some of their best work.
holy shit I'm not on instagram so I've never seen this account, but this account may be the sole reason I get back on it.
kidding. I'm a much happier and healthier person not being on social media and you probably would be to <3
So true but I use it for group chats with friends who have moved away and I'd otherwise have no contact with so we send each other fun stuff. But yeah, 99% of the stuff on there is poison.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C5xSGAHptbD/
this might be some of their best work.
holy shit I'm not on instagram so I've never seen this account, but this account may be the sole reason I get back on it.
kidding. I'm a much happier and healthier person not being on social media and you probably would be to <3
i be having a ball on that mf
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Dude and part are so forgettable.
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Sick part, Zach is really good and crazy consistent. Love a clip with the Eiffel Tower in the background. Nakel varial heel in Atlanta is buck - that spot is way harder than it looks.