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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Fooj on February 02, 2025, 08:33:43 AM
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Seems pretty obvious that deck prices will shoot up with these new tariffs on Canada and Mexico. Does anyone have any thoughts/insight about how high prices might go, or how board companies are planning to deal with this? Seems like a tough situation.
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My strategy is pretty simple. I’m not gonna think about prices until I actually go to buy said thing. If the price has increased dramatically, I’ll look for cheaper options. If said product is now unaffordable across the board, I’ll adapt.
I’m Canadian and tariffs are all anyone can talk/post about right now, but I’m not boycotting or changing my spending habits until I see a need or benefit to.
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From knowing numbers and calculations from working in the industry for years (I don't anymore) I made a really basic calculation. Asked a friend what an average BBS board costs wholesale and I was told 45, which sounds insane to my ears but makes sense. My familiarity ends about 2 years ago and we know it has been a roller-coaster since. Ok, so 45 dollars and we will now have 25% added to the bottom line, giving us 56.25 for the shop. I also asked what a BBS board is out the door (including tax) and they said 87. Using a rough calculation I get 110, and this is with the assumption labor costs do not go up as well.
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smartest thing to do is have someone connect with a US shop, bring the boards over the border. I highly doubt border guards are going to give a shit about it unless you're bringing a truck full.
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There's no way to know. Canadian Maple goes to factories in Mexico, it doesn't come into the U.S. directly like normal lumber. AFAIK there won't be a tariff on a company moving its own production of skateboard decks from Mexico to the U.S. similar tariffs already existed in the recent past and didn't drive the price higher. A skateboard deck is not lumber or construction material it's a finished consumer good and from what I've read so far I don't think it will necessarily impact skateboard decks.
Also the wholesale price is cheaper than $45. BBS sells their blanks for cheaper on SkateSamples.
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There's no way to know. Canadian Maple goes to factories in Mexico, it doesn't come into the U.S. directly like normal lumber. AFAIK there won't be a tariff on a company moving its own production of skateboard decks from Mexico to the U.S. similar tariffs already existed in the recent past and didn't drive the price higher. A skateboard deck is not lumber or construction material it's a finished consumer good and from what I've read so far I don't think it will necessarily impact skateboard decks.
Also the wholesale price is cheaper than $45. BBS sells their blanks for cheaper on SkateSamples.
Those are no frills, stocks shapes with no graphics. And board prices did jump last time around.
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Brands under the HLC manufacturing umbrella should gain in popularity if these tariffs become a reality.
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Brands under the HLC manufacturing umbrella should gain in popularity if these tariffs become a reality.
Where's the wood coming from?
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There's no way to know. Canadian Maple goes to factories in Mexico, it doesn't come into the U.S. directly like normal lumber. AFAIK there won't be a tariff on a company moving its own production of skateboard decks from Mexico to the U.S. similar tariffs already existed in the recent past and didn't drive the price higher. A skateboard deck is not lumber or construction material it's a finished consumer good and from what I've read so far I don't think it will necessarily impact skateboard decks.
Also the wholesale price is cheaper than $45. BBS sells their blanks for cheaper on SkateSamples.
Those are no frills, stocks shapes with no graphics. And board prices did jump last time around.
They also rose because of inflation and Covid supply issues so it's kinda hard to separate.
BBS mostly sells those generic shapes. DLX, Baker, and a few others have their own shapes and molds but not many companies do and most shop decks are the generics. I know graphics cost money to apply, but there are quite a few screen printers that do a big load of shop decks here.
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Everyone is worried about board prices but don’t forget, these tariffs will also 100% affect trucks. Aluminum is going up because of these and being produced/imported from China so get ready for some expensive ass trucks as well.
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There's no way to know. Canadian Maple goes to factories in Mexico, it doesn't come into the U.S. directly like normal lumber. AFAIK there won't be a tariff on a company moving its own production of skateboard decks from Mexico to the U.S. similar tariffs already existed in the recent past and didn't drive the price higher. A skateboard deck is not lumber or construction material it's a finished consumer good and from what I've read so far I don't think it will necessarily impact skateboard decks.
Also the wholesale price is cheaper than $45. BBS sells their blanks for cheaper on SkateSamples.
Those are no frills, stocks shapes with no graphics. And board prices did jump last time around.
They also rose because of inflation and Covid supply issues so it's kinda hard to separate.
BBS mostly sells those generic shapes. DLX, Baker, and a few others have their own shapes and molds but not many companies do and most shop decks are the generics. I know graphics cost money to apply, but there are quite a few screen printers that do a big load of shop decks here.
It will be about a lot more than just the decks though. If other tings go up from machine parts, to labor, to fuel, transportation ands on, there's a knock on effect.
I doubt that skate decks, made form Canadian maple in TJ won't be impacted if this goes through....
Everyone is worried about board prices but don’t forget, these tariffs will also 100% affect trucks. Aluminum is going up because of these and being produced/imported from China so get ready for some expensive ass trucks as well.
Wheels. Everything.
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Wheels. Everything.
AFAIK both Spitfire and Bones wheels are made in the US.
But I just went ahead and bought $150 worth of decks from the Polar sale as a hedge against the tariffs.
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Can’t speak on Bones since I don’t ride them, but I’m 99.9% sure Spits have been made in Mexico for a few years now.
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AFAIK both Spitfire and Bones wheels are made in the US.
But I just went ahead and bought $150 worth of decks from the Polar sale as a hedge against the tariffs.
Spitfire are made in TJ, Mexico.
I believe the top range powell / bones are made in Ventura.
Creative Urethane is still state side also, I think...
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So I'm in Canada... let's say I buy a DLX or Baker/Deathwish board... Wood is canadian, gets sent to Mexico, but if what canadian skateshops sell is sent to them straight from Mexico, maybe via a canadian distributor I guess but completely skipping sitting or going through the US.... no added tariff even if the company is based in the US? The same would go for Venture/Thunder/Spitfire...
Canada has sporting equipement in the list of tariffed things to fight against the US tariffs, adding 25%.
I guess we're about to find out.
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Ok, thanks for the correction.
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There's no way to know. Canadian Maple goes to factories in Mexico, it doesn't come into the U.S. directly like normal lumber. AFAIK there won't be a tariff on a company moving its own production of skateboard decks from Mexico to the U.S. similar tariffs already existed in the recent past and didn't drive the price higher. A skateboard deck is not lumber or construction material it's a finished consumer good and from what I've read so far I don't think it will necessarily impact skateboard decks.
Also the wholesale price is cheaper than $45. BBS sells their blanks for cheaper on SkateSamples.
Those are no frills, stocks shapes with no graphics. And board prices did jump last time around.
They also rose because of inflation and Covid supply issues so it's kinda hard to separate.
BBS mostly sells those generic shapes. DLX, Baker, and a few others have their own shapes and molds but not many companies do and most shop decks are the generics. I know graphics cost money to apply, but there are quite a few screen printers that do a big load of shop decks here.
It will be about a lot more than just the decks though. If other tings go up from machine parts, to labor, to fuel, transportation ands on, there's a knock on effect.
I doubt that skate decks, made form Canadian maple in TJ won't be impacted if this goes through....
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Everyone is worried about board prices but don’t forget, these tariffs will also 100% affect trucks. Aluminum is going up because of these and being produced/imported from China so get ready for some expensive ass trucks as well.
Wheels. Everything.
Possibly, but again companies making shit in Mexico might be able to get all of their parts elsewhere. I doubt Mexican labor costs will increase since labor costs in Latin America aren't very sensitive. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think we likely need to consider the actual supply line vs what's taxed. I'd expect to see the cost passed on mostly on the US end as shops and companies feel the broader inflation that's going to shit on us.
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
No. I think my family is quite safe. I lost my brother-in-law to a fentanyl OD but I really don't think Trump gave a fuck...
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
We don't really have terrorism in the US. You're literally 1000x more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
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Most sane folk would consider mass murders of random people at schools, theatres, churches, concerts, grocery stores, clubs, parades, etc etc to be terrorism as well. So yeah, ya kinda do.
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Most sane folk would consider mass murders of random people at schools, theatres, churches, concerts, grocery stores, clubs, parades, etc etc to be terrorism as well. So yeah, ya kinda do.
True, but I'd be curious to see the stats about how many of those are commited by illegal immigrants. From memory, they seem to mostly be commited by legal US citizens, often white dudes.
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Most sane folk would consider mass murders of random people at schools, theatres, churches, concerts, grocery stores, clubs, parades, etc etc to be terrorism as well. So yeah, ya kinda do.
i believe it to be terrorism, but the call is coming from inside of the house. coworker used to cheerfully say ‘ww3 or cheaper groceries’, meanwhile i’ve never encountered a more assisted person, from the government.
interesting to see how it all works out….i mean that obviously a platitude and i am scared, but not sure what to do, so
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Looks like birch wood it is then….
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
We don't really have terrorism in the US. You're literally 1000x more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
Any child in a middle/high school would hard disagree.
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Now what would the increase be for USA wood shops that use Canadian maple?
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Brands under the HLC manufacturing umbrella should gain in popularity if these tariffs become a reality.
Where's the wood coming from?
Ideally Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota.
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Now what would the increase be for USA wood shops that use Canadian maple?
Still using Canadian maple and that shit grows in Canada. Idk if I remember correctly but nhs did some birchwood stuff a while back but that shits weak
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I suck at global economy theory. What would the currently planned tariffs do to the prices of, let's say, BBS boards in Europe? The EU hasn't planned to impose any taxes on goods imported from the US (at least as of yet).
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I suck at global economy theory. What would the currently planned tariffs do to the prices of, let's say, BBS boards in Europe? The EU hasn't planned to impose any taxes on good imported from the US (at least as of yet).
I mentioned this in the other thread but my take is that ALL pricing will increase to cover the duties imposed in the US. A distro or brand that does all hardgoods will increase all pricing to cover themselves.
USA Decks will go up to cover the import duties on Trucks, wheels, bearings, hardware etc. DLX won't keep BBS decks lower when they'll be imposed 25% on Thunder and Venture and their China decks. They'll have to increase everything to try even it out and not have such a huge shock to the system.
We'll see. I hope I'm wrong.
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I see anything that has to go to the main brand distribution warehouse in the USA as attracting extra costs with the tariffs, but anything that goes straight from place A to place B all outside of the USA shouldn't actually go up at all.
Example for here in AU:
DLX boards made in China come straight here, so no change in price.
DLX goods made in Mexico, then going to SF and then to here will go up in price, such as BBS wood, trucks, wheels, etc.
That said, who knows exactly what will happen, but I would think someone who has access and spare funds, getting something sooner rather than later might not be a bad idea.
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Also this is the other earlier thread about Tariffs and info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=131767.0
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I see anything that has to go to the main brand distribution warehouse in the USA as attracting extra costs with the tariffs, but anything that goes straight from place A to place B all outside of the USA shouldn't actually go up at all.
Example for here in AU:
DLX boards made in China come straight here, so no change in price.
DLX goods made in Mexico, then going to SF and then to here will go up in price, such as BBS wood, trucks, wheels, etc.
That said, who knows exactly what will happen, but I would think someone who has access and spare funds, getting something sooner rather than later might not be a bad idea.
It's going to be though for smaller regions/territories. I'm ordering DropShip stock from China right now and I'll get X price. If I wait and order from the US, when the same goods arrive there, it could be 25% more.
I don't see that lasting too long before China dropship prices go up by 15% to 20% to mitigate the losses incurred by the US warehouse sales slowing down. Everyone outside the US will pay more to try keep the "in USA" price down.
again, I hope I'm wrong.
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I see anything that has to go to the main brand distribution warehouse in the USA as attracting extra costs with the tariffs, but anything that goes straight from place A to place B all outside of the USA shouldn't actually go up at all.
Example for here in AU:
DLX boards made in China come straight here, so no change in price.
DLX goods made in Mexico, then going to SF and then to here will go up in price, such as BBS wood, trucks, wheels, etc.
That said, who knows exactly what will happen, but I would think someone who has access and spare funds, getting something sooner rather than later might not be a bad idea.
It's going to be though for smaller regions/territories. I'm ordering DropShip stock from China right now and I'll get X price. If I wait and order from the US, when the same goods arrive there, it could be 25% more.
I don't see that lasting too long before China dropship prices go up by 15% to 20% to mitigate the losses incurred by the US warehouse sales slowing down. Everyone outside the US will pay more to try keep the "in USA" price down.
again, I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, I get what you are saying.
How soon are things supposed to start to happen anyway, with all this going on?
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I see anything that has to go to the main brand distribution warehouse in the USA as attracting extra costs with the tariffs, but anything that goes straight from place A to place B all outside of the USA shouldn't actually go up at all.
Example for here in AU:
DLX boards made in China come straight here, so no change in price.
DLX goods made in Mexico, then going to SF and then to here will go up in price, such as BBS wood, trucks, wheels, etc.
That said, who knows exactly what will happen, but I would think someone who has access and spare funds, getting something sooner rather than later might not be a bad idea.
It's going to be though for smaller regions/territories. I'm ordering DropShip stock from China right now and I'll get X price. If I wait and order from the US, when the same goods arrive there, it could be 25% more.
I don't see that lasting too long before China dropship prices go up by 15% to 20% to mitigate the losses incurred by the US warehouse sales slowing down. Everyone outside the US will pay more to try keep the "in USA" price down.
again, I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, I get what you are saying.
How soon are things supposed to start to happen anyway, with all this going on?
I saw March 1st, but I don’t think anyone knows for sure
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
We don't really have terrorism in the US. You're literally 1000x more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
Any child in a middle/high school would hard disagree.
I would say plainly that "terrorism" has a specific definition which is not met by school shootings and other sorts of spree killing, mass-murder events. Maybe the word is just expanding to include any act of mass violence, but it has been suggested that this sort of violence be termed "horrorism", which is sort of an ugly word IMO. Personally I think it's useful to separate the term here, because the expansion of "terrorism" prosecutions after 9/11 has been a disaster for civil liberties.
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
We don't really have terrorism in the US. You're literally 1000x more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
Any child in a middle/high school would hard disagree.
I would say plainly that "terrorism" has a specific definition which is not met by school shootings and other sorts of spree killing, mass-murder events. Maybe the word is just expanding to include any act of mass violence, but it has been suggested that this sort of violence be termed "horrorism", which is sort of an ugly word IMO. Personally I think it's useful to separate the term here, because the expansion of "terrorism" prosecutions after 9/11 has been a disaster for civil liberties.
i am interested, and uneducated
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Any pals that own/run a shop/dist have any ideas what the ballpark new prices will be?
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Any pals that own/run a shop/dist have any ideas what the ballpark new prices will be?
It is likely too early to say, especially since the Mexican tariffs have now been paused. There is a bigger game at play.
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
We don't really have terrorism in the US. You're literally 1000x more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
Any child in a middle/high school would hard disagree.
I would say plainly that "terrorism" has a specific definition which is not met by school shootings and other sorts of spree killing, mass-murder events. Maybe the word is just expanding to include any act of mass violence, but it has been suggested that this sort of violence be termed "horrorism", which is sort of an ugly word IMO. Personally I think it's useful to separate the term here, because the expansion of "terrorism" prosecutions after 9/11 has been a disaster for civil liberties.
Terrorism comes in many forms! Dirret killing is only one of them. Dirty politics and markets influence such as illigal drugs , controlling the government/lobbying, controlling education and indoctrination of the ignorant to lies and self hate in order to destroy one's country. Slowly but surely they work. Wokism has been the aids of the westerns world and islam take over the cancer.
Force only understands force. If one is "modern" enough to forget this or be ignorant from the get go he or she are doomed and will be extinct.
I am not a US citizen , many of my family and friends are. All I can say is that I see the same issues in Australia where I am from. Some might call me biased because of where I am originally from and what I have experienced, but don't be fooled experience trumps theories and hypotheticals.
I visit the US since I was a little kid and have lived in for longer time periods and I can clearly see that America has changed for the worst in the last 10-20 years.
The protection of somes civil liberty of which you talk about sound silly to me as after all many if not all of those are non Americans and even America's enemies.
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Terrorism has an 'official' definition that might be useful for this discussion. Often used by Chomsky to highlight US hypocrisy in foreign policy, it says terrorism is....
the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious or ideological in nature
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AFAIK both Spitfire and Bones wheels are made in the US.
But I just went ahead and bought $150 worth of decks from the Polar sale as a hedge against the tariffs.
Spitfire are made in TJ, Mexico.
I believe the top range powell / bones are made in Ventura.
Creative Urethane is still state side also, I think...
as far as i know creative urethane is done making skateboard wheels. speed lab and snot have moved to aend industries for instance
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Now we can all skate the huge stack of half skated decks, trucks, and wheels we have.
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AFAIK both Spitfire and Bones wheels are made in the US.
But I just went ahead and bought $150 worth of decks from the Polar sale as a hedge against the tariffs.
Spitfire are made in TJ, Mexico.
I believe the top range powell / bones are made in Ventura.
Creative Urethane is still state side also, I think...
as far as i know creative urethane is done making skateboard wheels. speed lab and snot have moved to aend industries for instance
and a quick google shows that HLC has a majority stake in Aend : https://www.boardsportsource.com/hlc-acquires-majority-control-of-skateboard-wheel-manufacturer-aend/
HLC might be the only company that's going to survive whatever is coming.
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Brands under the HLC manufacturing umbrella should gain in popularity if these tariffs become a reality.
Where's the wood coming from?
In Europe, they use Maple from the US.
I would be surprised they use something different in their TX factory but needs confirmation.
Most sane folk would consider mass murders of random people at schools, theatres, churches, concerts, grocery stores, clubs, parades, etc etc to be terrorism as well. So yeah, ya kinda do.
It's not sane as the majority of these events doesn't meet terrorism definition(s)
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Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature. Reports: Strategic Intelligence Assessment and Data on Domestic Terrorism. June 2023.
And if you really think most US mass murders are purely based on mental breakdowns or getting bullied I dunno what to tell ya.
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fair enough, I stand corrected
I didn't know about the domestic terrorism notion to be honest (US specific ?).
Not sure about a mass shooter ideological goals though
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still dont think most mass shooters fall under terrorism. the only reason they call it domestic is cause its done by the citizens of the country rather than foreign individuals/organisations.
i think the avarege mass murderer is not actively trying to bring change through their actions, even if they hold racist or incel ideologies which may have led them to the violence comitted. tho for this group i can understand why you would want to use the label terrorism. i think a huge chunk of mass murder is more rooted in mental health than ideology.
also the other way around conflating terrorism with mass murder is incorrect. terrorism can kill a single individual. or be a hostage situation, or even only destruction of property. terrorism emphasizes on fear. and fear can be evoked without killing.
i think its important to judge it on a case by case basis instead of throwing it all under one banner.
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if anyone wants some info
on how US intelligence defines terrorism
this is an essential read
Disrupt, Discredit, and Divide: How the New FBI Damages Democracy by Michael German
*from the publisher so i dont spoil it*
German shows how FBI leaders exploited the fear of terrorism in the aftermath of 9/11 to shed the legal constraints imposed on them in the 1970s in the wake of Hoover-era civil rights abuses. Empowered by the Patriot Act and new investigative guidelines, the bureau resurrected a discredited theory of terrorist "radicalization" and adopted a "disruption strategy" that targeted Muslims, foreigners, and communities of color, and tarred dissidents inside and outside the bureau as security threats, dividing American communities against one another. By prioritizing its national security missions over its law enforcement mission, the FBI undermined public confidence in justice and the rule of law. Its failure to include racist, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, and xenophobic violence committed by white nationalists within its counterterrorism mandate only increased the perception that the FBI was protecting the powerful at the expense of the powerless.
Disrupt, Discredit, and Divide is an engaging and unsettling contemporary history of the FBI and a bold call for reform, told by a longtime counterterrorism undercover agent who has become a widely admired whistleblower and a critic for civil liberties and accountable government.
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Do you guys think you have boarders' problems with Canada and Mexico?? Asking g for real!
Do you guys think you have terrorism and or terrorism support in the US?
What matters more ? The cost of your hobbies or the safety of your family?
We don't really have terrorism in the US. You're literally 1000x more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
Any child in a middle/high school would hard disagree.
I would say plainly that "terrorism" has a specific definition which is not met by school shootings and other sorts of spree killing, mass-murder events. Maybe the word is just expanding to include any act of mass violence, but it has been suggested that this sort of violence be termed "horrorism", which is sort of an ugly word IMO. Personally I think it's useful to separate the term here, because the expansion of "terrorism" prosecutions after 9/11 has been a disaster for civil liberties.
Terrorism comes in many forms! Dirret killing is only one of them. Dirty politics and markets influence such as illigal drugs , controlling the government/lobbying, controlling education and indoctrination of the ignorant to lies and self hate in order to destroy one's country. Slowly but surely they work. Wokism has been the aids of the westerns world and islam take over the cancer.
Force only understands force. If one is "modern" enough to forget this or be ignorant from the get go he or she are doomed and will be extinct.
I am not a US citizen , many of my family and friends are. All I can say is that I see the same issues in Australia where I am from. Some might call me biased because of where I am originally from and what I have experienced, but don't be fooled experience trumps theories and hypotheticals.
I visit the US since I was a little kid and have lived in for longer time periods and I can clearly see that America has changed for the worst in the last 10-20 years.
The protection of somes civil liberty of which you talk about sound silly to me as after all many if not all of those are non Americans and even America's enemies.
i knew bringing up terrorism in a tariffs thread
just had to be in bad faith
but way to show your ass completely
dont come back