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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: daboss on July 01, 2007, 10:59:19 AM
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Everyone has a different opinion about Nike. I personally think they have some great shoes. On principle i can't buy them. The company makes tennis rackets, football jerseys, baseball bats and other "sporting" equipment. No matter how much Nike says that NikeSB doesn't have that much money or that NikeSB doesn't have a huge marketing budget it doesn't make it right for me to support the company. I just can't support a company that makes FOOTBALL jerseys.
Then again, I only skate in Vans. Vans is owned by the same company that owns Wrangler jeans...weird how that works huh? I'm basically calling myself a hypocrite, but i'd rather skate in some Rodeo inspired Vans than some Jock inspired Nikes. haha
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Why care?
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they have some great shoes
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Why care?
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i just like to be an educated consumer.
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i will wear whatever's comfortable and looks good. regardless of what brand name is stamped on it. they're all made in china in sweatshops anyway, so it doesn't really matter whos kicks you buy, they're still contributing to the collective misery of millions of people
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btw, hoorway for being white and being born into the first world! go me!
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The hypocrisy in your argument indicates you like to hate whatever's trendy to hate.
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It's easy to hate on Nike as a company, but it's hard to deny that they make some really great shoes. The Zoom Tre's, as strange as they look, are possibly the best shoes I've ever skated in.
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it's not trendy to hate nikes, that trend died about 2 years ago. I'm just saying that i don't want to buy nikes.
I totally agree grim, nike makes some great shoes. Vans and Nikes are both made in sweatshops overseas, and they both make great shoes. I just can't make myself buy nikes. If they were given to me, i'd wear em. But i don't want Nike to have any of my money.
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ive never skated nikes, but looking back, i dont think ive heard a single person who skated them and didnt like them.
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ive never skated nikes, but looking back, i dont think ive heard a single person who skated them and didnt like them.
Same here. I just can't support a company that will leave when things get bad in skateboarding. When the money dries up will they stick by us like Vans or Sole Tech? I highly doubt it because the suits in the big buildings don't skate and have no heart for skateboarding. That's pretty much what i'm trying to say about Nike, they are soul-less to me.
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nike made great shoes before they entered the skateboard world, so why wouldn't you want another quality footwear choice at the skateshop? capitalism is a competition, and other companies can't complain if they lose. make good quality product, market it well, and you have nothing to fear from "big bad" nike.
i bet lakai are doing crazy numbers with all the ff hype going on. watch what happens after the vid drops. they'll sell shitloads.
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Same here. I just can't support a company that will leave when things get bad in skateboarding. When the money dries up will they stick by us like Vans or Sole Tech?
hahaha, you might want to retract that statement in regards to vans. vans were very notably absent from skateboarding in the 90's, please believe. when airwalk died vans quietly ducked out of the skate world for a few years. when they made their return there were many a skeptical opinion heard amongst the skate publications of the day.
people have very short memories.
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they're all made in china in sweatshops anyway
not all companies have the blatently corrupt practices of nike.
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. I just can't support a company that makes FOOTBALL jerseys.
Then again, I only skate in Vans. Vans is owned by the same company that owns Wrangler jeans...weird how that works huh? I'm basically calling myself a hypocrite, but i'd rather skate in some Rodeo inspired Vans than some Jock inspired Nikes. haha
Vans made soccer shoes ages ago and i can guarantee you that if they made money off of it they would still do it today
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Same here. I just can't support a company that will leave when things get bad in skateboarding. When the money dries up will they stick by us like Vans or Sole Tech?
hahaha, you might want to retract that statement in regards to vans. vans were very notably absent from skateboarding in the 90's, please believe. when airwalk died vans quietly ducked out of the skate world for a few years. when they made their return there were many a skeptical opinion heard amongst the skate publications of the day.
people have very short memories.
They stopped making skate shoes all together or did they just fall prey to the D3 era?
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they're all made in china in sweatshops anyway
not all companies have the blatently corrupt practices of nike.
the name of the game is money my friend, and there are few innocent companies. whether it's poor environmental practices, or human rights violations, everyone is cutting whatever corners they can in the relentless pursuit of the almighty dollar.
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They stopped making skate shoes all together or did they just fall prey to the D3 era?
they ducked out of the skate world for a few years. all of a sudden skating was getting popular on the back of tony hawk and espn and then all of a sudden vans was all in the mags again, and buying it's way back into skateboarding with their mega mall skateparks
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
exactly.
i wear vans, i wear nike.
i don't fucking care.
you can have the moral highground.
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
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i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
are there even any vans parks left? how do their mall stores get people skating? isn't nike sponsoring the crap outta comps lately? didn't they just build a new setup for tampa (probably the most loved skatepark in the country)?
you should really stop using vans as an example of how things should be done.
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
i'm saying that people bag on nike for being a huge corporate company, but turn their heads when they see a pair of es accels at pac sun
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
or etnies at nordstrom?
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waaa waaa poor widdle companies like sole tech have to sell out to be competitive with big bad corporate nike
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Fuck that, I want some McGill's from WalMart... I'm all up in deez shits!
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Fuck that, I want some McGill's from WalMart... I'm all up in deez shits!
I live down the street from mcgills skateshop... i could take your shoes in to get them signed if you want. haha.
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ive skated many pairs of nike sbs and they are the best skate shoes period. ive had dunk lows, sb classsics, and at the moment skating my first pair of p-rod 2s and they are by far the best pair ive had outta all of them. might try team editions next. heard good things about them. regarding grim liking the tres they probs are amazing but i just couldnt wear them. they look so ugly. plus i know a kid down the skatepark i live next to and he has been asked soo many times why he is wearing basketball shoes lol.
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
Au contraire, my friend. Nike SB has gotten a huge amount of attention outside of the skate world, and their shoes are probably at this point being worn more at this point by nonskaters than by skaters themselves. That said, their widespread popularity (and the fact that they're skate shoes) have gotten a ton of people interested in skateboarding. The shoes are fashionable, so the activity associated with them is too.
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
Au contraire, my friend. Nike SB has gotten a huge amount of attention outside of the skate world, and their shoes are probably at this point being worn more at this point by nonskaters than by skaters themselves. That said, their widespread popularity (and the fact that they're skate shoes) have gotten a ton of people interested in skateboarding. The shoes are fashionable, so the activity associated with them is too.
couldnt agree more! they have soo many colours that people who dont skate cant help but take notice of them. birdo just give up!
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Same here. I just can't support a company that will leave when things get bad in skateboarding. When the money dries up will they stick by us like Vans or Sole Tech?
hahaha, you might want to retract that statement in regards to vans. vans were very notably absent from skateboarding in the 90's, please believe. when airwalk died vans quietly ducked out of the skate world for a few years. when they made their return there were many a skeptical opinion heard amongst the skate publications of the day.
people have very short memories.
Are you serious? I skated all through the 90's, and Vans NEVER fell off the radar. I remember the early 90's when Chukkas and "Old Skools" were on everyone's feet. Half-Cabs were huge. A couple years later they made that sick Agah shoe, the Camel Toes. Everyone rocked those. A couple years later they came out with the Mike Carrolls, like beefed up Half-Cabs. Every pro without a shoe sponsor rocked Half-Cabs, and many of them still do. Take a look at the old mags and videos. Vans were everywhere.
I honestly do not remember a time when Vans ducked out of the skateboarding world. They are one of the only mainstays, and they always will be because the soles on their shoes are pretty much perfect for skateboarding. Hence, all the copycats.
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i remember quite clearly a few years where i didn't see an ad of theirs in a mag or a shoe on the shelf. when osiris, axion and companys of that ilk were on the top of the pile vans was noticeably absent
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ive always worn nikes, so when they started sb i was stoked. every company is in it for the money. nike makes really good shit, so i buy. and even if they quit doing sb in the future, ill still buy nike.
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
Au contraire, my friend. Nike SB has gotten a huge amount of attention outside of the skate world, and their shoes are probably at this point being worn more at this point by nonskaters than by skaters themselves. That said, their widespread popularity (and the fact that they're skate shoes) have gotten a ton of people interested in skateboarding. The shoes are fashionable, so the activity associated with them is too.
couldnt agree more! they have soo many colours that people who dont skate cant help but take notice of them. birdo just give up!
Very well put. Good observation. I saw a consolidated board at Sports authority today... birdo gave up...
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it's fucked...i've seen full on sb kids learning to skate....i almost want to pull them aside and just tell them to skip it and go buy a track bike....
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i've never had a pair of nikes but i'd gladly try em if our local shop carried nike. the shoes look good and im sure they skate good as well. plus trying to pull the corporate card on nike doesn't really work cause pretty much none of the shoe companies are any better. maybe there are a couple exceptions to the rule but not many.
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newer vans are trash. i had a pair or rowleys that felt like they came from payless. vans is making a comeback because there old shoes are good. i have some half cabs now and even they dont feel like they used to.
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no one ever complains about the vans stores chians in malls, but complain about nike sb
i dont see the similarities. A skatepark is actually about getting people to skate... of course they make money from it... but people are skating.
Nike doesn't get people to skate, they make shoes.
Au contraire, my friend. Nike SB has gotten a huge amount of attention outside of the skate world, and their shoes are probably at this point being worn more at this point by nonskaters than by skaters themselves. That said, their widespread popularity (and the fact that they're skate shoes) have gotten a ton of people interested in skateboarding. The shoes are fashionable, so the activity associated with them is too.
couldnt agree more! they have soo many colours that people who dont skate cant help but take notice of them. birdo just give up!
Very well put. Good observation. I saw a consolidated board at Sports authority today... birdo gave up...
wouldnt be surprised if he has given up on the whole dont do it campagne. fact is nike sbs are here to stay so there isnt much point him trying now.
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I kind of feel the same way. I don't want to buy nikes on purpose, although they made a couple of shoes that look undeniably awesome and from what I've heard, they also feel good.
Same thing with adidas. They don't seem like a menace to the industry, but more like a quality addition to it.
Birdo should've stopped ages ago, eversince Bratrud and McCallum left they're shit anyways. That drunk shoe was a nice idea, but lso poorely done, that I completely stopped caring about consolidated.
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They stopped making skate shoes all together or did they just fall prey to the D3 era?
they ducked out of the skate world for a few years. all of a sudden skating was getting popular on the back of tony hawk and espn and then all of a sudden vans was all in the mags again, and buying it's way back into skateboarding with their mega mall skateparks
Are you insane? Ever heard of Half Cabs those have always been popular since they came out? Vans never ducked out of skating, they popularity waned because of completion from Etnies, and non-skate brands that lots of people skated. But watch a skate video from any era and you will see somebody wearing Vans.
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I cant say I have had a pair of Nikes since the early 90's (I use to wear the all canvas shoes that look sort of like Grasshoppers with ankle strap, terminators lots of people called them).
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As long as nike sells a quality product and supports skating and the dudes they sponser that's cool. I used to skate with some of the guys who worked at nike. They would come out on their lunch break and hit the vert ramp with me. They said the program was cool and I'll take their word for it. I however wont be buying nikes because it just seems so off to me. I associate the swoosh with the kids who I used to get in fights with because I was a "skater fag". It's always a little weird seeing the swoosh around, but whatever, different strokes for different folks.
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i am going to skate what feels right whether its nike, vans, adidas, ipath, or whatever. i'm not going to listen to some mark that is telling me what to wear, i am going to wear what i want. now that ipath is owned by timberland lets see what birdo does about lee berman skating for for them
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Are you insane? Ever heard of Half Cabs those have always been popular since they came out? Vans never ducked out of skating, they popularity waned because of completion from Etnies, and non-skate brands that lots of people skated. But watch a skate video from any era and you will see somebody wearing Vans.
i'm not insane, but thanks for the concern.
in 1984 vans went bankrupt.
in 1991 they were acquired by mccown, de leeuw & co (http://www.mdcpartners.com/home/master.html) who promptley floated them on the stock market.
in 2004 they were then bought out by vf outdoors inc (http://www.vfc.com), who you can invest in at the princley sum of US$91.58 a share.
now people are trying to make the argument that somehow vans are better than nike because they've been making skateshoes longer. the main argument of the nike naysayers is usually that they're an evil corporation blah blah blah and are trying to buy into a culture/scene/whatever they have no part being in because they're not skateboarders. or something. it's hard to tell cos most people making the argument are oafs.
but at any rate, it is quite clear that since 1991 vans was no longer under it's original ownership and was actually a part of a (*gasp!) corporation.
all i'm saying is that the nike sucks argument is redundant.
and that i'm wearing a pair of vans right now.
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Vans has always been around. they lost some popularity in the mid to late 90's due to lame designs. though the Half-Cab always stayed good. but once Rowley got on and came out with the 'Rowley' shoe their popularity came back up.
and as for Nike. wore 'em in the 80's. Jordans. also wore Reeboks, Adidas and Filas. then Puma and Adidas.
but now it's all Half-cabs. preferably the syndicates. they feel most like the originals.
exciting huh.
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Vans is owned by Vouge Magazine if im correct.
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...in 2004 they were then bought out by vf outdoors inc (http://www.vfc.com), who you can invest in at the princley sum of US$91.58 a share.
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Personally I love Nikes team. I dont mind them being a big part of skating, but around here most of the kids wearing Nikes are kooks, either sneaker head non skaters or skaters doing the "hesh to fresh" thing. I wouldnt wear them either way because they are too narrow for my liking. Cant wait for the Nike vid though, Brian Anderson rips!
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the only shoes I own are Nike, Vans, or Adidas........bought a pair of blk/wht Gazelles today at an outlet mall for $13
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adidas kick ass for skating in.
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I've had plenty of sb's I love the dunks, teams, classics, and blazers but, I had a pair of prod 1's I hated they are too fucking bulky for me and the toe is weird, but I can't get enough of dunks pretty much the only shoes I buy now
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i used to not buy them on principle but then i realized that fuck all those damn people in thailand or whatever, i don't give a goddam about them. your shitty life is producing some tight shoes
just kidding
but seriously
seriously kidding
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but yeah i wear em if they're good and relatively cheap
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it's fucked...i've seen full on sb kids learning to skate....i almost want to pull them aside and just tell them to skip it and go buy a track bike....
jsoy once again treats the entire forum and the human race in general really, excellent work
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it's fucked...i've seen full on sb kids learning to skate....i almost want to pull them aside and just tell them to skip it and go buy a track bike....
jsoy once again treats the entire forum and the human race in general really, excellent work
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I'm wearing some Kenneth Cole's at work right now! They were hand sewn by the finest Chinese workers available at the lowest pay rate possible. I paid at least $100 USD for them even. Would I ever pay $100 for some skate shoes? Hell no! Would I buy Lakai MC4 for $60? Yes and check. Would I take some DVS T-Puds for free? Yes and check. If I could get some Nike SB for free or $60 would I? Yes. Would I buy some Vans? No. I'd consider Half Cabs and that's it. I'm just not a Vans guy just like some people aren't SB guys.
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Nike>Vans
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temting i would never get them
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I like Nike because...
A- they sponsor some of my favorite skaters. A very eclectic team of rippers from all over the place.
B- the blazer sb's are easily the greatest skate shoes ever made. Ive gone through 3 sets of laces and they are still holding up ok. (I think theyre in there last days though)
C- theyre super comfortable.
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i got some blazers when they first came out like 2 years ago, one of the best shoes ive ever had. im wanting to get another pair
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something about them.......maybe its just that they seem to trendy? i can't get myself to buy that shit......
nike just bugs me for some reason but i can't put my finger on it......
im stoked on adidas though....
but vans are my favoerite so ill stick with vans to wear vans.
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something about them.......maybe its just that they seem to trendy? i can't get myself to buy that shit...
I hear they're really good for skating but I would never get a pair (Unless they were cheap).
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something about them.......maybe its just that they seem to trendy? i can't get myself to buy that shit......
nike just bugs me for some reason but i can't put my finger on it......
im stoked on adidas though....
but vans are my favoerite so ill stick with vans to wear vans.
your saying vans arent trendy??
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your saying vans arent trendy??
Id almost go as far as to say, more so than Nikes. Thoughts?
I mean every fool in the LES has a pair of slip ons. And every skater has at least one pair of half cabs.
I myself have two pairs of chukka bookts...
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The Vans store and the Nike store and the Adidas store were all in the same outlet mall here in Co but Vans didn't make it.
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something about them.......maybe its just that they seem to trendy? i can't get myself to buy that shit......
nike just bugs me for some reason but i can't put my finger on it......
im stoked on adidas though....
but vans are my favoerite so ill stick with vans to wear vans.
your saying vans arent trendy??
naw vans are pretty damn trendy. but they've been popular and trendy amongst skaters for a long time........id call them a 'staple' among skateboarders or something
i just wouldn't want to be associated with 'sneaker heads' or anything like that.......HYPE BEAST, THE HUNDREDS.....it all reminds me of nike....
when I think of nike I think of streetwear and it bugs me.....i guess thats what i meant by 'trendy'
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I had a pair of Dunks a year ago. They were initially somewhat narrow, but after they were broken in they were great.
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hate on shit because of its trend factor?
ive always liked vans, had three pairs of xlt's way back, and when nikes came on the scene i got a bunch of those, both good shoes, both pretty popular, who gives a fuck? quality shoes in different aspects.
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I think Nike make some good shoes, had some Blazers and Zoom Tres and they've both been great. Although, I don't care too much about what's behind the scenes at Nike, I do respect them alot as they've helped out alot of skateboarders in the UK and done quite alot for us in terms of funding and what not. So hat's off to them, but if you have a problem with them being in shops I guess I can see where you're coming from.
Just wear what feels/looks good and try not to worry about the skate politics.
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"Van's company, due to a design on the bottom of the shoe, is rumored to be antisemitic. The star shaped pattern on the ball of the foot, if viewed carefully, looks similar to the Star of David, and thus when you walk in Van's shoes you are "stomping on the Star of David."
qoute from wikipedia
fuckin random
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Vans are really trendy with black teen agers, I see them wearing slip-ons or authentic. Which funny because they have to roll up their clown pants so they don't drag.
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sb was good for a minute, then they just got carried away....all their juxtapoz shoes are hideous and the p-rods and the huff designed ones are the ugliest ever.....
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(http://www.nerdgirl.com/wp-content/emo-hairfull.jpg)
what type of shoes do you think this guy is wearing? most likely not dunks...
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the only shoes I own are Nike, Vans, or Adidas........bought a pair of blk/wht Gazelles today at an outlet mall for $13
which outlet?
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(http://www.nerdgirl.com/wp-content/emo-hairfull.jpg)
what type of shoes do you think this guy is wearing? most likely not dunks...
Airwalk Ones
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personally the nike sb blazer blows most vans shoes away as far as quality,durability,comfort and materials.
I do like vans and the new ave sk8 low and the tnt 2 mid both are good shoes,but halfcabs last me 2 weeks max and thats with shoe goo. i can get almost a month out of blazers before the sole is totally flat.
to each there own but thats just my 2 cents.
id rather be associated with hypebeast than emo/raver pants/my chemical romance.
every douche has a pair of slip ons and vans are everywhere.
at least nike sb helps shops out and limits distribution.
yes we all know how massive nike is and blah blah blah.
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This is regular. First off, Vans, corporation, IPath, corporation, Nike, obviously corporation. Those are the 3 brands I'm feelin' so I rock those. They make ill sneakers. I was actually checking out some shoes at the local shop today and I saw a kid with a Nike shirt go up to the counter to buy it. Some 16 year old "realer than thou" jerkoff goes "Kid, you're dumb. Buy this Don't Do It shirt here cause Nike doesn't do anything for skating. "What about hooking shit up poper in Tampa?"
"Whatev's. Nike payed for skate stoppers in NYC, SF and LA."
"Have you been to NYC? You skated the city? I didn't see a single skate stopper up there. And if they did show me some proof and I'll beleive you."
There were some of the pee wee dunks or whatever in there and he wants to get on some "Looks like pee wee herman jerked off into these."
"Well, wear what you like, man. I do. So you should do you."
"Yeah, whoa man, it's okay, whoa." His last name is Storm. Remember this...
Then let some smart ass remark fly off. "Kid I got some years on you so you need to chill before I turn you into a quiet storm."
So basically, don't be a jerkoff, Nike, Vans and IPath make ill sneakers and Don't Do It is absurd. And yeah, Berman won't be kickedo ff the cube for skating IPath guaranteed. Give it up birdo.
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The whole "Jocks Suck" Nike campaign annoyed the shit out of me. It's like if vans started making football cleats that said "Skaters are Fags". h y p o c r i t e s.
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i'm one of those skaters, who profits from his sponsored skate buddies. in the last 6 years i bought 3 (!) skateshoes at a shop, all lakai, because i feel that my money goes to the right place. but then again i had like 10 pairs of adidas in a row and now it's my third pair nike in a row ... 10-15 euros for a used pair. i have the worst principles, when it comes to cheap stuff.
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just dont skate the dunks, problem solved, cause they suck. blazers on the other hand...that's a damn good shoe.
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My last 3 pairs of shoes have been dunks. They feel great and skate great.
I wish Vans would drop everything except for the slipons, half cabs, and the Rowley 1's (red and white colorway pls)
Save that hokey polka dot bullshit for Corey Duffel.
My first pair of skate shoes were Air Jordans
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Dunks are named after a basketball term for christs sake.
Nikes are lame.
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i rode only vans for years and i'd bought a pair of AF-1s for chilling shoes, but since chillen shoes always become skate shoes i rocked the nike basketball shoes, they skate really well and last for quite some time. Everything is a corporation of sorts, evil profiteers, all of them, so just get what works well.
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I buy anything thats cheap except emerica. I really dont give a fuck to be honest, nike has hooked up some people I know and their product testing program is bad ass. What other shoe company sends out samples to regular kids to get feed back on their product? If other skate companies did that, then the shoes would obviously last longer and be constructed better. Adidas does the same with product testing also, but I think skate shoe companies should learn the little things like that.
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I had one pair of Nikes, the Regimes in that orange/black color.
They skated... decent.
But then I realized.... the more I wore em', the better I got a 3 point shots.
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i just like to be an educated consumer.
hahaahahahah
well said
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I tried a pair of sb's my friend had and those felt so good
that I had to order a pair from ebay...got 'em cheap too...
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what about in the new Slap at the 15yr party. Nike Slap colorway. the insoles have, probably not all the covers, but some of your favorites. i don't collect shoes, but i'd get these just to have. and my T.G. Adidas. that's it 2 shoe collection.
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suck
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http://hypebeast.com/2014/1/nike-adidas-refuse-to-supply-independent-retailers-in-london (http://hypebeast.com/2014/1/nike-adidas-refuse-to-supply-independent-retailers-in-london)
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suck
It's been seven years. SEVEN. YEARS.