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Title: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NickDagger on November 14, 2007, 10:04:47 AM
Make skatespots, or make potential spots skateable, post pics and/or stories/and or recommendations:

Here's my friend's fixing a ledge at this spot all these skaters made in Charlotte. Featuring a bunch of ledges and a rail in the background places inbetween two cinderblocks, polejam, gaps, etc.
(http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1527/54448842ga0.jpg)

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9945/14yv8.jpg)

-dylan
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: SimonP on November 14, 2007, 10:05:39 AM
Minnesota had a spot like that, but it got torn down. ???
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Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 14, 2007, 10:07:02 AM
my "crew" has something similar in mind, but it'll take more time than what we have now to get it done...
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Post by: boyan on November 14, 2007, 10:07:52 AM
Jason Hernandez would be so proud, although his boxes seem more stable
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Post by: photowill on November 14, 2007, 10:16:15 AM
in toronto they had/have something like that called the junk yard but it's in the process of being demolished, unfortunately.
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Post by: boyan on November 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AM
I forgot to mention it seems fun though!
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Post by: NickDagger on November 14, 2007, 10:30:23 AM
Jason Hernandez would be so proud, although his boxes seem more stable


His transworld bank account is prlly more stable as well.

The point is to make some shit

add to the scene

spread good vibes

praise jah

thats real talk

-JT
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Post by: MattG on November 14, 2007, 10:33:16 AM
O classic foundation / ghetto spots. Homemade ledges always fun, grind soo good.
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Post by: Orgone on November 14, 2007, 11:18:30 AM
I want to make a ledge with a bank up to it similar to the ones in NYC or Philly, but I don't understand how you get the water to the spot to do the mixing, because my buddy said you need a shitload of water. Anyone know how much water per bag of concrete you need or how you get the water to the spot?
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NickDagger on November 14, 2007, 11:21:56 AM
I want to make a ledge with a bank up to it similar to the ones in NYC or Philly, but I don't understand how you get the water to the spot to do the mixing, because my buddy said you need a shitload of water. Anyone know how much water per bag of concrete you need or how you get the water to the spot?


bank to ledges are the funnest spots in skateboarding

EDIT: from my expierence you need about a bucket of water per bag, depending on how smooth you want the concrete to be.
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Post by: BallDontLie on November 14, 2007, 12:08:40 PM
Sick! about how long did it take to make those ledges?
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Post by: biggums mcgee on November 14, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
I would say more than one bucket of water to a bag, maybe one.5 or two
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Post by: krudbenco on November 14, 2007, 12:14:01 PM
I have to get some pictures of it..but i have a perfect spot. me and some of my friends built a mini ramp behind a junk yard. while building all i could think of is like this is some shit you would see in a thrasher magazine. its made out of like a fridge,wood,pcp pipe and other really random stuff we found laying around. its skates really nice tho and has good flo to it
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NickDagger on November 14, 2007, 12:15:53 PM
Sick! about how long did it take to make those ledges?

Well as you can see in the background, one great thing about the spot is the infinite amount of cinderblocks we have around.

But I didn't make the ledges so I can't give an exact estimate.

ask MEOW.
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: BallDontLie on November 14, 2007, 12:18:35 PM
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Sick! about how long did it take to make those ledges?
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Well as you can see in the background, one great thing about the spot is the infinite amount of cinderblocks we have around.

But I didn't make the ledges so I can't give an exact estimate.

ask MEOW.
alrightttt
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: Bill on November 14, 2007, 12:36:39 PM
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Sick! about how long did it take to make those ledges?
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Well as you can see in the background, one great thing about the spot is the infinite amount of cinderblocks we have around.

But I didn't make the ledges so I can't give an exact estimate.

ask MEOW.

So what do your friends think about your undying man love for CC?
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Post by: mipe on November 14, 2007, 12:43:42 PM
I have always wanted to make some bumps, quarters, banks, mannypads and ledges somewhere (just like in the strongest of the strange)
The only problem is that there's not any empty places covered concrete anywhere around...shit
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NickDagger on November 14, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
Yeah! that reminds me, fuck next time i'm in charlotte i'm putting in a bump, ya heard me.

So what do your friends think about your undying man love for CC?

Stay out of this Tutone.
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Post by: Orgone on November 14, 2007, 01:00:57 PM
so do you just haul a shitload of buckets of water with you when you build the shit?
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Post by: Beautifull on November 14, 2007, 01:02:01 PM
There was a really good granite/marble ledge spot that some dudes in seattle made under a bridge.  Haters took a jackhammer to it. 
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NickDagger on November 14, 2007, 01:05:58 PM
so do you just haul a shitload of buckets of water with you when you build the shit?

Since we had all those cinderblocks, i'm fairly sure it's just a matter of stacking them how you want the box to be, mix the concrete, then concrete the cinderblocks together,  put the metal on the edge after that dries, then some concrete on top to help hold on the metal and to smooth out the top

Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: boyan on November 14, 2007, 01:23:19 PM
Yeah! that reminds me, fuck next time i'm in charlotte i'm putting in a bump, ya heard me.

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So what do your friends think about your undying man love for CC?
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Stay out of this Tutone.

this is a free message board, don't tell him to stay out!
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: stevedave on November 14, 2007, 01:30:05 PM
I have to get some pictures of it..but i have a perfect spot. me and some of my friends built a mini ramp behind a junk yard. while building all i could think of is like this is some shit you would see in a thrasher magazine. its made out of like a fridge,wood,pcp pipe and other really random stuff we found laying around. its skates really nice tho and has good flo to it

pcp pipe?!?!  i didn't know you get wet, son!!!
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Post by: Bill on November 14, 2007, 02:58:32 PM
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So what do your friends think about your undying man love for CC?
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Stay out of this Tutone.

Thanks for answering the question. To answer the original post, I've built many a ledge in my day, only to have every asshole 15 year old in 5 towns come to skate them and get them destroyed in a week.
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Post by: Sony MDR V2 headphones on November 14, 2007, 03:00:06 PM
(http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1527/54448842ga0.jpg)

I'm confused.

How exactly is this stable/skateable?
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Post by: krudbenco on November 14, 2007, 03:00:31 PM
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I have to get some pictures of it..but i have a perfect spot. me and some of my friends built a mini ramp behind a junk yard. while building all i could think of is like this is some shit you would see in a thrasher magazine. its made out of like a fridge,wood,pcp pipe and other really random stuff we found laying around. its skates really nice tho and has good flo to it
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pcp pipe?!?!  i didn't know you get wet, son!!!

haha miss type, ment to say pvp pipe.
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Post by: Sony MDR V2 headphones on November 14, 2007, 03:04:57 PM
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I have to get some pictures of it..but i have a perfect spot. me and some of my friends built a mini ramp behind a junk yard. while building all i could think of is like this is some shit you would see in a thrasher magazine. its made out of like a fridge,wood,pcp pipe and other really random stuff we found laying around. its skates really nice tho and has good flo to it
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pcp pipe?!?!  i didn't know you get wet, son!!!
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haha miss type, ment to say pvp pipe.

It's pvc.
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: chalmchalms on November 14, 2007, 04:39:02 PM
Leeside got some new stuff recently.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLV_T8llV4Y


and....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJydsxjpYQQ
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: csumers on November 14, 2007, 04:49:06 PM
Austin is notorious for spots like these. we have had six foundations that have had similar ledges in the last 6 years. There is another one in the works as well. the ledge in my avatar is a DIY ledge at one of our ditches that got a face lift in the last year. we also poured a 7 foot vert wall with 2.5 feet of vert in the last year at the same spot. One of the Canadian Element riders back smithed it in a recent podcast. DIY spots are the better than most skateparks in my opinion. If they get torn down, find a new place to do it all over again.
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Post by: MEOW on November 14, 2007, 04:52:38 PM
the water for the ledge theres a picture of (theres 3 ledges at the spot) came from these very kind folks that live across the street from this foundation, just knocked on their door and they hooked up brooms and buckets of water. this is a wonderful display of that cliched "southern hospitality" you may have heard about.

i don't really get this confusion about how the ledge is stable or skateable, maybe it was some sarcasm i couldn't quite pick up on.

nicks "undying love" for chris cole goes generally accepted with this group of friends, who luckily all have a fairly open mind towards skateboarding and are not brainwashed enough by the slap messageboards to deny that there's anything at all to like about him.

the spots pretty awesome but i'm sure it's only a matter of time before it gets torn down, which is the usual story with homemade spots. nick, next time you're in town you should film a little montage for this... or maybe you got enough footage for one last weekend?
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: Sony MDR V2 headphones on November 14, 2007, 04:56:35 PM

i don't really get this confusion about how the ledge is stable or skateable, maybe it was some sarcasm i couldn't quite pick up on.



They're just cinder blocks stacked on top of each other by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: yeah dude! on November 14, 2007, 04:58:17 PM
There was a really good granite/marble ledge spot that some dudes in seattle made under a bridge.  Haters took a jackhammer to it. 

That thing was so fun/perfect
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/anbarns/anbarnesbstail.jpg)
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Post by: CUDDLEMONSTER on November 14, 2007, 05:01:33 PM
 :o that looks better then most park ledges.
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Post by: yeah dude! on November 14, 2007, 05:04:41 PM
:o that looks better then most park ledges.

It was. And there were two of them so you could do lines.
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Post by: Hypnotoad on November 14, 2007, 05:05:26 PM
Austin is notorious for spots like these. we have had six foundations that have had similar ledges in the last 6 years. There is another one in the works as well. the ledge in my avatar is a DIY ledge at one of our ditches that got a face lift in the last year. we also poured a 7 foot vert wall with 2.5 feet of vert in the last year at the same spot. One of the Canadian Element riders back smithed it in a recent podcast. DIY spots are the better than most skateparks in my opinion. If they get torn down, find a new place to do it all over again.

Is there a good ledge spot that's skateable right now? one in the works i could help with? or is that all too secret?  I moved here a year ago and haven't really met anyone or searched out decent spots.  I usually just go be fat and lazy at house park.
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: MEOW on November 14, 2007, 05:08:51 PM
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i don't really get this confusion about how the ledge is stable or skateable, maybe it was some sarcasm i couldn't quite pick up on.


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They're just cinder blocks stacked on top of each other by the looks of it.

gotcha. nope, theyre all cemented together. its shockingly sturdy considering nobody actually knew what they were doing, just kinda went for it and it turned out to be really fun
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Post by: Prison Wallet on November 14, 2007, 05:13:22 PM
The art teacher at my school has a mold for pouring concrete benches. Then he has his kids do mosaics on them. When they're done he's gonna pour me one with angle iron on the front edge--I'm stoked. There's a basketball court across the street from my house where I'll put it. There's a pretty hidden spot where at least the bench won't seen from the road. And I'm keeping tight raps on that shit.
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Post by: stagefright on November 14, 2007, 06:08:24 PM
my friends got a mini and ive fixed some shit at the park because its horribly maintained
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Post by: RRRRRAD on November 14, 2007, 06:13:34 PM
my friends and I

built a legit mini
cemented a sick wallride
and just made some pole jams

making spots is such an awesome part of skateboarding
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Post by: swissenheights on November 14, 2007, 06:14:29 PM
im thinking about doing something like this soon...or me and my friend will just build a box
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Post by: rocklobster on November 14, 2007, 06:46:58 PM
nice, its good to see people make spots out of empty wasted space.....

some guys made a ledge down a bank under one of the subway tracks in my country....  made from concrete and steel drain covers...  it was fun while it lasted....
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Post by: woody on November 14, 2007, 07:04:27 PM
I bondoed a parking block to the top of this bank at this old skatepark from the 70's that no one skates much cause there aren't many obstacles and the ground sucks (I'm not talking about Derby). The block was pretty fun but the I only got to skate it once before the city removed it.
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Post by: Edward Penishands on November 14, 2007, 07:39:28 PM
a couple friends of mine quick creted a wall that seperated 2 parking lots at a food mart place.  definatly one of the most fun spots around here.  and big thanks to everyone thats sacrificed a car bumper to make a pole jam.  ;D
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Post by: Anton on November 15, 2007, 03:18:38 AM
My city had this for 2 years.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2039/1906502361_8b504fe88b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/1907342714_7fa12b8d8f.jpg)
(http://iloblog.nthestreet.com/www?ShowFile&image=1192452380.jpeg)
(http://iloblog.nthestreet.com/www?ShowFile&image=1191393532.jpeg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/2032532394_164d5549dd.jpg)

Whats left:
(http://iloblog.nthestreet.com/www?ShowFile&image=1193826359.jpeg)
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Post by: YuNg MaNo on November 15, 2007, 03:32:15 AM
I live in charlotte and skate there all the time. It sick but its gay when there are over 30 people there sometimes
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Post by: somekid on November 15, 2007, 03:38:59 AM
I want to make a ledge with a bank up to it similar to the ones in NYC or Philly, but I don't understand how you get the water to the spot to do the mixing, because my buddy said you need a shitload of water. Anyone know how much water per bag of concrete you need or how you get the water to the spot?
usually about a 1:1 ratio. get the water to the spot can be pretty easily accomlished with some big plastic garbage cans and a pickup. only fill the cans about halfway, though-water is HEAVY. heavier than you think. plus, if you're only building ledges, and you use cinderblocks to build them, you won't need much water or concrete.  skaters for public skateparks have a bunch of plans and shit in their forums on DIY shit...
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Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2007, 05:49:10 AM
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There was a really good granite/marble ledge spot that some dudes in seattle made under a bridge.  Haters took a jackhammer to it. 
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That thing was so fun/perfect
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/anbarns/anbarnesbstail.jpg)


is the top of that ledge marble??  how did you get the marble into the concrete like that??  doesnt it marble chip easily??

that ledge looks sick!!
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Post by: yeah dude! on November 15, 2007, 10:50:20 AM
is the top of that ledge marble??  how did you get the marble into the concrete like that??  doesnt it marble chip easily??
that ledge looks sick!!

I'm not sure how they did it exactly but it was built by a few of the Grindline guys. A bunch of the parks they did in the area have the same sort of ledges and they seem to hold up pretty well.
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Post by: MEOW on November 15, 2007, 11:15:22 AM
My city had this for 2 years.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2039/1906502361_8b504fe88b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/1907342714_7fa12b8d8f.jpg)
(http://iloblog.nthestreet.com/www?ShowFile&image=1192452380.jpeg)
(http://iloblog.nthestreet.com/www?ShowFile&image=1191393532.jpeg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/2032532394_164d5549dd.jpg)

Whats left:
(http://iloblog.nthestreet.com/www?ShowFile&image=1193826359.jpeg)

holy shit that spot looks like it was soooo fun. that fucking suuucks that its gone
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NCLOVE on November 15, 2007, 12:46:36 PM
I wish I could've skated "The Lot" before it was torn down.
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: MEOW on November 15, 2007, 04:26:37 PM
I live in charlotte and skate there all the time. It sick but its gay when there are over 30 people there sometimes

unforunately for you the only rule of the spot is that if you didnt help contribute to making it, youre not allowed to complain about it.
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Post by: bentmode on November 15, 2007, 04:33:37 PM
theres a local spot in chino that these guys, who own this local company called backstabber, built this spot. luckily the guy who built it is brothers with the owner of shop down the street for my house (platform4lyfe). so i got to skate it before it got blown out and people started calling it backstabbers. its extremley difficult to skate, if you can remember daewons part from get fam its that spot where he does that blunt stall 360 shuv out on the barrier thing.

me and my friends made a ledge once. it was a waste of my 40 something dollars. the thing about making your own spots is that it takes out the fun of finding shit.
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Post by: NickDagger on November 15, 2007, 04:36:13 PM
the thing about making your own spots is that it takes out the fun of finding shit.

You are the dumbest person here.
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Post by: bentmode on November 15, 2007, 04:41:10 PM
oh really. skate a perfectly built made to  skate ledge, or seeing something on the bus and then finally skating it to see that its rugged as fuck and then attempting to skate that.

you would choose the latter on the account that your favorite part of skating is the smile you beam to your friends immediately when you land a mediocre trick.
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Post by: NickDagger on November 15, 2007, 04:50:34 PM
How about all of the above?

Sometimes it's nice to have a spot you can go to anytime without harrasment.

And it's rewarding experiencing building shit.

All of which take nothing away from the experience of skating street spots.
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Post by: bentmode on November 15, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
i wasnt talking about skating a street spot. i was talking about finding a new one.

delete yourself and start over.
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Post by: NCLOVE on November 15, 2007, 04:54:35 PM
There are some cool kids on here.
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Post by: NickDagger on November 15, 2007, 05:00:39 PM
i wasnt talking about skating a street spot. i was talking about finding a new one.

delete yourself and start over.

Takes nothing away from what I said. Skating one "kind" of spot, takes nothing away from another.

It's all skating.
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Post by: bentmode on November 15, 2007, 05:07:26 PM
its okay nick. i take back what i said.
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Post by: fahque on November 15, 2007, 06:18:23 PM

THIS WAS JUST COMPLETED IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS.(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano1.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano2.jpg)
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Post by: Blue Fescue on November 15, 2007, 10:15:16 PM
We just carried a box around in the back of a truck.
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Post by: Gest on November 15, 2007, 10:18:48 PM

THIS WAS JUST COMPLETED IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS.(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano1.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano2.jpg)
THAT LOOKS SO FUCKING FUN
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Post by: bothersome on November 15, 2007, 10:25:47 PM
so many good spots in here.
wish we could find a old foundation to build some stuff on.l
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Post by: rocklobster on November 16, 2007, 07:59:07 AM
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THIS WAS JUST COMPLETED IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS.(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano1.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano2.jpg)
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THAT LOOKS SO FUCKING FUN

looks fun but tough to skate!!!

my friends and i built a couple of boxes from wood....  we had to carry the box in and out everyday but it was great.... until some guys kept peeing on our box... we had to throw it away cos the smell got so bad,.....

we were so bummed cos we put loads of work making the box.... nailing that shit together and getting the coping on....
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Post by: NickDagger on November 16, 2007, 08:33:01 AM
  we had to carry the box in and out everyday but it was great.... until some guys kept peeing on our box... we had to throw it away cos the smell got so bad,.....

where do you live?

which century, i mean
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Post by: alienlurkshop on November 19, 2007, 03:39:33 PM
me and my friends cemented a concrete barrier and its really fun

http://flickr.com/photos/13062425@N05/1449952677/in/set-72157602322459642/

im too regular to embed pictures so theres a link to one
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Post by: P0PWAR on November 19, 2007, 03:45:43 PM
We built a ledge out of cinder blocks and angle iron at this spot we call curb curb, but they bulldozed it down, RIP.
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Post by: NickDagger on November 19, 2007, 05:49:19 PM
me and my friends cemented a concrete barrier and its really fun

http://flickr.com/photos/13062425@N05/1449952677/in/set-72157602322459642/

im too regular to embed pictures so theres a link to one


(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1177/1449952677_29e85af6f0.jpg)

nice job

any tips for n00bz?

also what kind of camera you using? love the pics
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Post by: MattG on November 19, 2007, 07:24:24 PM
D.I.Y spots are the best.

so rad making something out of nothing.
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Post by: bothersome on November 19, 2007, 07:33:49 PM
the best part of skating imo.
stoked to see people out there doing something instead of going to the same park and standing in line.
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Post by: jerrodword on November 19, 2007, 08:16:06 PM
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THIS WAS JUST COMPLETED IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS.(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano1.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/benborden/gnarcano2.jpg)
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THAT LOOKS SO FUCKING FUN
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looks fun but tough to skate!!!

my friends and i built a couple of boxes from wood....  we had to carry the box in and out everyday but it was great.... until some guys kept peeing on our box... we had to throw it away cos the smell got so bad,.....

we were so bummed cos we put loads of work making the box.... nailing that shit together and getting the coping on....

mini dick guantlet..
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Post by: Zurg on November 19, 2007, 08:18:10 PM
Only ever fixed some cracks really. building spots is awesome though, just hard to find a place to do it
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Post by: baxter on November 20, 2007, 12:11:59 AM
We had two quater pipes, with brick coping and a pole jam, it was even in a thrasher then some gay ass kids killed it.
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Post by: Guile on November 20, 2007, 12:18:26 AM
i like do it yourself spots, im just happier when someone else does it for me.
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Post by: baxter on November 20, 2007, 12:42:12 AM
i like do it yourself spots, im just happier when someone else does it for me.
I didn't make them, I skated them.
Title: Re: Do It Yourself.
Post by: NickDagger on November 21, 2007, 07:14:36 AM
come on i know some more of you guise have some DIY pictures/stories/advice
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Post by: 89-90pistons on November 21, 2007, 08:05:11 AM
cement can always be stolen from construction sites, finding a spot to make it is by far the hardest part.
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Post by: 60ticketatsaveon on November 21, 2007, 09:21:35 AM
vic ghetto spot.