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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: rawbertson. on October 08, 2025, 01:58:27 PM
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Was let go from my job today of 8 years, replaced by AI at a robotics company. Good luck bros, everything about to get super super fucked, unemployment about to go through the roof. All your favorite pros are cooked. Was fun while it lasted, gg homeys
Fuck this trash ass world cyborg blade runner bullshit
Destroy every spot for me guys
Catch you in the flip side
Hell is a hill bomb
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Damn, sorry to hear that dude. Hope you can catch a new role somewhere that hasn't put all of their faith in the next dotcom bubble.
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Sorry to hear this.
We are in for a bumpy ride. Between the Trump tariff recession and AI is getting better and better, Millennials and younger are going to get hammered.
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Damn sorry to hear that...I've been hearing this a lot over the past month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ClFoRCrc8
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Ive been on welfare for a few years
It's nice
People need to talk about u.b.i. more
I've gotten so much more healthy and happy with the free time 8)
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Sorry to hear that man. I’ve been currently trying to make a career change out of IT into a trade for hopefully more job security. Things are grim. Hope you can find another position soon.
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Sorry to hear as well. Keep your head up and try to maintain that survivor mentality. Getting a new job will be that skate trick you try at until you ultimately do land it successfully.
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Ah shit man, sorry to hear this. It happened to me a few months back, the creative industry is a ticking time bomb waiting for AI to become more widely accepted by the market.
Try not to let it bring you down too much though bro, I went through a mental battle at first but it's important to remember your job doesn't define you or your worth. Peace!
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That's shitty af, sorry to hear that. It's hard to be grateful when it goes off the rails. Best wishes
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Try not to let it bring you down too much though bro, I went through a mental battle at first but it's important to remember your job doesn't define you or your worth. Peace!
Well said! Job hunt can be one of life’s great miseries, so it’s important to take things day by day.
Good luck to ya, rawb.
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Damn that sucks. I hope you pick up something better real soon.
I’ve been saying to co workers and clients for a long ass time that not specifically AI, but any kind of emerging tech will be coming for every single industry.
It’s inevitable, the guy who’s programming something to take your shit, will be replaced by the machine designed to replace them.
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This is going to be gnarly and bad for many many people. Sam Altman will be the richest person on the planet in less than 5 years from today.
- My bet is that a lot of software applications and companies are going to be obsolete in 5 years time. All those apps that cost a few K per year, are going to be worth zero per year soon enough.
- Jr. Developers are already getting fucked. I know Sr. Devs feel they're safe. They're not.
- Productivity for office workers is going to jump, but pay per worker is going to decrease. It will take less skill and less knowledge to produce just as much stuff at the same quality. Think of fast food workers, they produce of lot of hamburgers, but still get paid as little as legally possible.
- Some might say, "Well AI does a bad job." Well, a lot of workers do a bad job too. I think recruiters are the best example of this. They are the first battle in the war of getting a job, most don't know shit about what they're hiring for.
George Ritzer discusses Weber's notion of the irrationality of rationality in simple terms in his McDonaldization/De-McDonalidziation work. Weber pointed out that the very pursuit of efficiency and logic in modern societies (rationalization) can lead to unintended, unreasonable, and dehumanizing consequences, such as bureaucracy, inefficiency, and the loss of human values. This is going to be peak efficiency with insane costs.
And, I saw some dipshit on Business Insider (a garbage "news" site) that was trying to say, "Oh all the AI doom and gloom is wrong because a few companies in SF are getting office space leases." Yes, 15 people in SF will help reduce the number of paralegals from 366,000 to 100,000. Or the number people working the drive though from 400,000 to 4,000 (if that). A few people are going to come out on top. And, while AI can support a start-up now as they wrap a better interface around it, ChatGPT will reduce the need for that interface in 3 years time.
At my previous job, I was supposed to be on a team of 7, it is a team of 0.3 as one person checks in on the bot every now and again.
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Damn, sucks to hear! I am still not able to grasp the size of the transformation that is happening atm.
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Bummer
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This is going to be gnarly and bad for many many people. Sam Altman will be the richest person on the planet in less than 5 years from today.
- My bet is that a lot of software applications and companies are going to be obsolete in 5 years time. All those apps that cost a few K per year, are going to be worth zero per year soon enough.
- Jr. Developers are already getting fucked. I know Sr. Devs feel they're safe. They're not.
- Productivity for office workers is going to jump, but pay per worker is going to decrease. It will take less skill and less knowledge to produce just as much stuff at the same quality. Think of fast food workers, they produce of lot of hamburgers, but still get paid as little as legally possible.
- Some might say, "Well AI does a bad job." Well, a lot of workers do a bad job too. I think recruiters are the best example of this. They are the first battle in the war of getting a job, most don't know shit about what they're hiring for.
George Ritzer discusses Weber's notion of the irrationality of rationality in simple terms in his McDonaldization/De-McDonalidziation work. Weber pointed out that the very pursuit of efficiency and logic in modern societies (rationalization) can lead to unintended, unreasonable, and dehumanizing consequences, such as bureaucracy, inefficiency, and the loss of human values. This is going to be peak efficiency with insane costs.
And, I saw some dipshit on Business Insider (a garbage "news" site) that was trying to say, "Oh all the AI doom and gloom is wrong because a few companies in SF are getting office space leases." Yes, 15 people in SF will help reduce the number of paralegals from 366,000 to 100,000. Or the number people working the drive though from 400,000 to 4,000 (if that). A few people are going to come out on top. And, while AI can support a start-up now as they wrap a better interface around it, ChatGPT will reduce the need for that interface in 3 years time.
At my previous job, I was supposed to be on a team of 7, it is a team of 0.3 as one person checks in on the bot every now and again.
http://youtu.be/675d_6WGPbo?si=VpC35LzAT6gQz1yd
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Ecodxn5m4
Just saw this video and thought it felt relevant, looks like a lot of companies are blaming AI for layoffs when they're just out-sourcing jobs to cheaper workers. Pretty fucked up.
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@rawbertson have you considered a career as a Blade Runner? They gotta be starting up that program soon
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Or as a terminator
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I’d suggest learning a trade. Collision repair isn’t really something AI or even robotics could replace. Pays pretty well and steady work since cars are always going to get damaged.
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Was let go from my job today of 8 years, replaced by AI at a robotics company. Good luck bros, everything about to get super super fucked, unemployment about to go through the roof. All your favorite pros are cooked. Was fun while it lasted, gg homeys
Fuck this trash ass world cyborg blade runner bullshit
Destroy every spot for me guys
Catch you in the flip side
Hell is a hill bomb
What a bummer. Keep your head up, let’s see that AI slappy a curb
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Unionize yesterday.
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Sorry you got replaced with a robot. I had a friend that was working at museum that was replaced decades ago by a robot.
My daughter is going into the mortuary industry and my son is looking at HVAC. I think they’re future proofed choices.
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Sorry you got replaced with a robot. I had a friend that was working at museum that was replaced decades ago by a robot.
My daughter is going into the mortuary industry and my son is looking at HVAC. I think they’re future proofed choices.
Good for them. Learning a trade and being able to say “I am a …” is great.
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Sorry, pal
Seems like the plan is for ICE/prisons to be the only ones hiring in the US
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Really sorry to hear that man. I see you post around a lot and you seem like a good dude, I wish you the best with everything, get out and shred a little this weekend, get your mind off shit.
Recently, I did a lot of academic related research on AI and it is more than alarming. This shit is literally the real life version of a dystopian nightmare. Deepfakes are gonna get more and more believable. Just a year and a half ago the argument was AI regarding the art world and how it’s putting artists out of a job. Now it’s fucking every sector of society.
Our future as a human race is almost predestined to be destroyed. Technology has been the biggest advancement and detriment to mankind. I just hope we all can live long happy lives in peace as we see the world burn.
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real
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Sorry you got replaced with a robot. I had a friend that was working at museum that was replaced decades ago by a robot.
My daughter is going into the mortuary industry and my son is looking at HVAC. I think they’re future proofed choices.
One issue that might happen to even the future proof choices is increased competition which will drive down wages. More people may go into these fields because their previous job no longer exists, employers have more choice, and wages go down. Alternatively, customers have more choice and prices go down.
Also, there is going to be the problem over oversupply of all sorts of things. Economies crash when there is too many services and goods and too few buyers. If AI replaces many of our jobs, is hyper productive, and we have no money, we have a huge mistmatch and shit will broadly come crashing down.
I’d suggest learning a trade. Collision repair isn’t really something AI or even robotics could replace. Pays pretty well and steady work since cars are always going to get damaged.
Biased data source, but a bunch of AI cars might reduce this need as well. Although, switching to AI cars might be a little further down the road.
(https://i.ibb.co/LDSrqFXx/Screenshot-2025-10-12-at-12-41-24-PM.png)
https://waymo.com/safety/impact/
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Shout-out unemployment
Get that money while you sleep baby
Ubi solves everything
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Sorry to hear that.
I work for the federal government and they’ve been trying like crazy to replace us psychologists with AI since January. Fortunately, half my clients don’t know how to use video chat, let alone AI. I’m hoping we’re safe for a bit, but certain specialists are sweating about the AI takeover of their profession within the coming few years. Most admin staff have already been replaced with AI.
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Sorry to hear that.
I work for the federal government and they’ve been trying like crazy to replace us psychologists with AI since January. Fortunately, half my clients don’t know how to use video chat, let alone AI. I’m hoping we’re safe for a bit, but certain specialists are sweating about the AI takeover of their profession within the coming few years. Most admin staff have already been replaced with AI.
Jesus. It’s not there’s been any documented cases of AI leading people to self-harm/suicide
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Sorry you got replaced with a robot. I had a friend that was working at museum that was replaced decades ago by a robot.
My daughter is going into the mortuary industry and my son is looking at HVAC. I think they’re future proofed choices.
One issue that might happen to even the future proof choices is increased competition which will drive down wages. More people may go into these fields because their previous job no longer exists, employers have more choice, and wages go down. Alternatively, customers have more choice and prices go down.
Also, there is going to be the problem over oversupply of all sorts of things. Economies crash when there is too many services and goods and too few buyers. If AI replaces many of our jobs, is hyper productive, and we have no money, we have a huge mistmatch and shit will broadly come crashing down.
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I’d suggest learning a trade. Collision repair isn’t really something AI or even robotics could replace. Pays pretty well and steady work since cars are always going to get damaged.
Biased data source, but a bunch of AI cars might reduce this need as well. Although, switching to AI cars might be a little further down the road.
(https://i.ibb.co/LDSrqFXx/Screenshot-2025-10-12-at-12-41-24-PM.png)
https://waymo.com/safety/impact/
That may be something but there will always be pissed of ex’s, garbage in the road, stuff flung from other cars in front of you, rust repair, ad drives that don’t have ai cars, parking lots(door dings, shopping carts, and just bad drivers), not to mention the hotrod, street rod, muscle car, and restoration guys. Plus you could make a lot of money doing complete paint jobs(99.9% of collision shops avoid them like the plague since it takes time to do one correctly. Not talking Mako, miracle, earl schibb, scuff n shoots). So, yeah, it’s actually pretty safe even if there are ai cars driving cutting down on some collisions.
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Learn ADAS
That's the best spot in automotive
Clean hands
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Sorry to hear that.
I work for the federal government and they’ve been trying like crazy to replace us psychologists with AI since January. Fortunately, half my clients don’t know how to use video chat, let alone AI. I’m hoping we’re safe for a bit, but certain specialists are sweating about the AI takeover of their profession within the coming few years. Most admin staff have already been replaced with AI.
Jesus. It’s not there’s been any documented cases of AI leading people to self-harm/suicide
Yeah, I work for the VA and see a ton of high-risk Veterans. I have to admit the integrated AI with our note system is helpful at times, but I personally wouldn’t want AI to have open access to my mental health notes, so I try to avoid it or at least de-identify notes.
I just know AI is going to fuck up someone’s psych meds, leak protected health info, give bad clinical suggestions, etc and there will be some type of landmark case in the coming years.
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It's not even how helpful or dangerous AI is, it's more so the companies/organizations that have quite often gutted their workforce already and see no issue in taking it one step further. And if it fails, they still get paid, they shrug their shoulders and it just becomes the new normal.
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Hold up wait a minute, u saying u got dropped from a ROBOTICS manufacturer
Dude robots been stealing jobs for a minute wtf
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It's not even how helpful or dangerous AI is, it's more so the companies/organizations that have quite often gutted their workforce already and see no issue in taking it one step further. And if it fails, they still get paid, they shrug their shoulders and it just becomes the new normal.
This, AI is essentially is just another enabler of neoliberalism on steroids
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Regarding the mentions of UBI. I just don't see how that can work under the current version of capitalism we have. Surely it would just end up as a means for gigantic wealth transference from the working class to the rich. Since it's basically a subsidy for people's cost of living, the capitalists would work to increase our cost of living greatly. Bills would go up, prices would increase, subscription models would become even more rampant, rent would go up even more. They'd be doing their damnedest to claw as much of this new income stream they know we all have for themselves. I don't get how it would work without a massive shift to a more socialist society at the same time.
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All I can say on the topic is the place I worked for 23 years went out of business in June.
I had resumes out for months before and after while I was on the shitty unemployment program Maryland has. When I finally ran my shit through Chat GPT to punch it up, I started getting calls left and right. Places I’d applied to months prior.
When I accepted the offer I got from my current employer I asked them if they use AI to screen the applications/resumes and he said unfortunately yes. It saves them money. Also where I work is being affected by the tariffs on a weekly basis. They import food from India and other tariff heavy countries.
Of course they’re going to just raise prices instead of taking a hit. Multi million dollar corpo. Needs their profit margin to just keep growing.
That aside, they invested heavily into AGVs, the automated forklifts. Those things suck. They never work properly, even though they’re supposed to be the future of logistics/distribution. For every 4 they have, there’s 2 people that have to follow them around all shift to make sure they don’t fuck up. They always do.
Yes it’s physical labor for myself and my co workers, but our shit is safe for now until this technology gets better. And it’s seemingly not from what I see.
One of my friends is a photographer for a marketing department at a shoe brand. He knows he’s out of a job, at least doing that within the next 6 months. They’re already leaning heavy into AI for that. Thankfully he’s got other skills he can transition to a different position with the company. That aren’t relying on it yet.
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All I can say on the topic is the place I worked for 23 years went out of business in June.
I had resumes out for months before and after while I was on the shitty unemployment program Maryland has. When I finally ran my shit through Chat GPT to punch it up, I started getting calls left and right. Places I’d applied to months prior.
When I accepted the offer I got from my current employer I asked them if they use AI to screen the applications/resumes and he said unfortunately yes. It saves them money.
It’s everywhere. Our hospital is in the middle of interviewing residents and it’s so obvious how many cover letters and CV’s are AI. We still screen them manually, so they get tossed if we suspect AI.
I also work for a major state university and it’s been crazy trying to grade papers which are clearly AI. It’s almost impossible to prove the use of AI, even if students emails/discussion posts/essays are horribly written and their final paper is flawless/robotic. I’m wondering how many people will get their dissertations busted once AI detection gets better.
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Yeah, my wife works as a patient/intake coordinator at a hospice and they at least actually screen through the apps they get to make sure it’s not AI.
They don’t want uncaring people there. One of the few thankfully. I’ve heard a lot of hospitals, at least in my area are using it now for certain positions they post.
Transporters and the non medical jobs they offer. It’s wild.
Yes the amount of college people just using this now, will now little about what they forked out thousands for when they get their degree, unless they possibly studied in that field. Again it’s crazy.
Maybe no stranger, however than a friend of mine who’s in charge of IT for a large transportation company, he just bullshited them 15 years ago about his certs, then did them his self. When he couldn’t figure something out back then he’d just use Google.
It easier now with this tech, but I was like you’re crazy, at the time. He was just a help desk employee who found a way to game the system. It worked and thankfully nothing bad happened. He’s still in the position, though he knows everything now.
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glad i work a job that can never be replaced by AI
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All I can say on the topic is the place I worked for 23 years went out of business in June.
I had resumes out for months before and after while I was on the shitty unemployment program Maryland has. When I finally ran my shit through Chat GPT to punch it up, I started getting calls left and right. Places I’d applied to months prior.
When I accepted the offer I got from my current employer I asked them if they use AI to screen the applications/resumes and he said unfortunately yes. It saves them money.
It’s everywhere. Our hospital is in the middle of interviewing residents and it’s so obvious how many cover letters and CV’s are AI. We still screen them manually, so they get tossed if we suspect AI.
I also work for a major state university and it’s been crazy trying to grade papers which are clearly AI. It’s almost impossible to prove the use of AI, even if students emails/discussion posts/essays are horribly written and their final paper is flawless/robotic. I’m wondering how many people will get their dissertations busted once AI detection gets better.
I'm surprised you guys read the cover letters. What do you guys look for in them?
I know that Google stopped asking for cover letters and a few other tech companies just ask if you want to write a paragraph about yourself/the job.
In my experience, I've only seen them used in tie breaker situations. I haven't seen them move the needle in the early review process.
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All I can say on the topic is the place I worked for 23 years went out of business in June.
I had resumes out for months before and after while I was on the shitty unemployment program Maryland has. When I finally ran my shit through Chat GPT to punch it up, I started getting calls left and right. Places I’d applied to months prior.
When I accepted the offer I got from my current employer I asked them if they use AI to screen the applications/resumes and he said unfortunately yes. It saves them money.
It’s everywhere. Our hospital is in the middle of interviewing residents and it’s so obvious how many cover letters and CV’s are AI. We still screen them manually, so they get tossed if we suspect AI.
I also work for a major state university and it’s been crazy trying to grade papers which are clearly AI. It’s almost impossible to prove the use of AI, even if students emails/discussion posts/essays are horribly written and their final paper is flawless/robotic. I’m wondering how many people will get their dissertations busted once AI detection gets better.
I'm surprised you guys read the cover letters. What do you guys look for in them?
I know that Google stopped asking for cover letters and a few other tech companies just ask if you want to write a paragraph about yourself/the job.
In my experience, I've only seen them used in tie breaker situations. I haven't seen them move the needle in the early review process.
Right now, we're interviewing people applying for fellowship, so they all write a cover letter outlining their fit with our hospital and why they'd want to be there or highlighting things on their CV.
For psychology, there are also four required essays (autobiographical, research interests, diversity experience, and case conceptualization). This is where AI gets messy. As a committee, we have to score each application and decide who we invite to interview. Some people fly across country (I had a few flights during interviews), so we want to screen out people and save both of our time.
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Right now, we're interviewing people applying for fellowship, so they all write a cover letter outlining their fit with our hospital and why they'd want to be there or highlighting things on their CV.
For psychology, there are also four required essays (autobiographical, research interests, diversity experience, and case conceptualization). This is where AI gets messy. As a committee, we have to score each application and decide who we invite to interview. Some people fly across country (I had a few flights during interviews), so we want to screen out people and save both of our time.
Thanks for the response. Interesting to see into your work's hiring process.
Def, different from my experience, where all my employers cut corners. The resume was the only thing that really mattered. The resume was a fit or it wasn't, then we phone screened people to see who got to actually interview for the role.
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Interesting battle between Cloudflare and all the AI companies brewing. This is specifically for Google. Basically, a bunch of sites are pissed Google uses the snippets for the AI and then gives someone an AI answer, reducing clicks into their sites and opportunity to make money.
Cloudflare is updating the file all the web crawlers read to say, "Use this info for indexing, not for AI training, and maybe for real time AI web assisted searches." This feels like Facebook news feed 2.0, but has the potential to harm anyone who produces information in order to get clicks.
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/10/inside-the-web-infrastructure-revolt-over-googles-ai-overviews/
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https://jacobin.com/2025/10/artificial-intelligence-big-tech-labor
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fuck a.i.
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glad i work a job that can never be replaced by AI
Head job Technician isn’t safe forever.
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well I was a freelance translator for 25 years, worked in video games at first and later dubbing and subtitling.
That field of work is now fucked permanently. Less jobs and the pay has been slashed.
Plus no unemployment at all when you freelance of course. stoked.
so I am now retraining to become an english/german teacher in high school but I honestly underestimated how hard it would be to go back to uni at 51. I feel about 100 years old in those classes.
The sense of being disposessed of your know-how and skills is absolutely awful. So I'm trying to remain positive and face this as a new challenge...
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It didn't go anywhere. You still got it. Just an opportunity to try new things. Best of luck pal.
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It didn't go anywhere. You still got it. Just an opportunity to try new things. Best of luck pal.
well thanks. it's just that those skills are not worth what they used to be on the marketplace.
At this rate honestly, I won't be surprised if in 5 years, neuralink or some comparable technology makes learning another language a thing of the past. Or just learning period! Strange times. We need a Butlerian Jihad like in Dune....
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fuck a.i.
This
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It really sucks for graphic designers, artists, and musicians. My niece is only 13 and she's very talented when it comes to art, but now I feel like she will never be able to capitalize on her skills. AI is going to kill art, and human creativity. I also have a friend that designs logos, and he's basically out of work now and has to find something else to do.
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It really sucks for graphic designers, artists, and musicians. My niece is only 13 and she's very talented when it comes to art, but now I feel like she will never be able to capitalize on her skills. AI is going to kill art, and human creativity. I also have a friend that designs logos, and he's basically out of work now and has to find something else to do.
I had a few younger friends ask me if they should go to law school/graduate school. I remember telling them, "I don't know man. It is a really expensive lottery ticket. You might get a good job on the other end or you might just have a lot of debt."
I feel this is now the case for so many careers, graphic design, music, writers, researchers, statisticians, engineers, IT, lawyers, etc. At present a select few people will be very highly paid to produce a lot with minimal effort. In my job, we went from posting roles that required fancy degrees and 4 years of experience to now ignoring anyone less than 8 years of experience.
Alternatively, I also worry the opposite is our fate. Jobs that used to require skill and knowledge have all been Taylorized overnight. Demographers, designers, researchers, accountants, engineers, etc. no longer require education or knowledge. Sure, they'll be problems at first with huge errors, but these errors will be less and less likely as the LLMs and the coding on top of them is improved. No one needs to be paid as "skilled worker" because no job requires skill. And, yea a few jobs require knowledge and skill, but many jobs are filled by people faking it. And, we used to worry about autopilot, we used to worry about self driving cars, but those fears fade quickly enough.
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It won’t last. Ai needs people to feed it and we’re going extinct
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It really sucks for graphic designers, artists, and musicians. My niece is only 13 and she's very talented when it comes to art, but now I feel like she will never be able to capitalize on her skills. AI is going to kill art, and human creativity. I also have a friend that designs logos, and he's basically out of work now and has to find something else to do.
My wife is a designer and recently lost her job after 7 years with the same company. At the exact same time her two best friends from university also lost their design jobs. She’s written a lot of applications since, but hasn’t been offered a position yet. We also have a three year old and she doesn’t want to work fulltime.
Still, I don’t believe AI will kill Art and music. From what I understand So far AI is only a language prediction machine that reproduces the most likely combinations based on what it has been fed. And it only works with a randomization. That random variable is basically the component that makes it seem human. That’s one of the reasons AI hallucinates. But: Does it also detect the potential of new combinations? Does it feel a good beat? Is it inspired by a new visual idea?
I find that hard to believe. Even if it did. Doing creative things will always be part a of our lives.
I wrote a paper for my teacher‘s union where I argue that AI will lead to education reforms, because teaching under the current model has become absurd. The last great education reform was about 20 years ago and happened at the time most House holds had a PC with access to the internet. So they remodeled education from an institution where students would gain knowledge to an institution (why have knowledge when you can always look it up) where students would learn to be competent to do and think. They used ideas from cognitive science, which basically conceptualizes thinking as processing information like a computer. It comes from the same cybernetic tradition that has led to modern AI models. So today at German high-schools we teach and test standardized tasks. Typical tasks are: summarize the given text or analyze …. In the text. Basically our best students in the past 20 years have always operated like a good AI. I have also thought that concept of learning was always extremely stupid. Anyways, so basically we teach and test skills that are completely useless now.
I think it is fascinating that twenty years ago the model for successful learning was basically an AI. I wish people would learn from this and stop modeling themselves after technological concepts. I think we should ask questions like: what skills do we need for a good life in a post AI world? What can people do that AI can’t? What should or must we be able to do ourselves?
Nick Land argues that AI is basically the embodiment of capitalism and the natural progression of capitalism. That capitalism has always striven towards full automation, a system without workers.
I found that podcast fascinating. I think it presents a very interesting perspective philosophy of AI. I think people like Peter Thiel or Elon Musk are basically Landian. Which is terrifying.
https://youtu.be/_aZn__odhRc?si=RhtuyTXgDTGPZUQ2
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Let's accept Oxford's definition of capitalism as "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit." Under this definition, a truly fully-AI-automated capitalism would eliminate the link between private owners and profit. In theory, AI does not need profit to survive like humans do. AI does not have to buy groceries or pay rent. It would not need to engage in capitalism in such a way as to always maximize profit, its focus would presumably be on its own growth and sustainability (and access to renewable resources like water and electricity).
Capitalism operates on the principle that humans are inherently self-interested and that they are all constantly seeking to become private owners making profits, whether by necessity or choice. Even if AI learns that communism merely appears to be the better alternative until it is actually implemented, it would still correctly understand excess wealth by private owners as being economically inefficient. This would be the point at which we would see big limitations placed on AI development, either from those private owners or the government.
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Let's accept Oxford's definition of capitalism as "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit." Under this definition, a truly fully-AI-automated capitalism would eliminate the link between private owners and profit. In theory, AI does not need profit to survive like humans do. AI does not have to buy groceries or pay rent. It would not need to engage in capitalism in such a way as to always maximize profit, its focus would presumably be on its own growth and sustainability (and access to renewable resources like water and electricity).
Capitalism operates on the principle that humans are inherently self-interested and that they are all constantly seeking to become private owners making profits, whether by necessity or choice. Even if AI learns that communism merely appears to be the better alternative until it is actually implemented, it would still correctly understand excess wealth by private owners as being economically inefficient. This would be the point at which we would see big limitations placed on AI development, either from those private owners or the government.
i did not follow the link, but i am confused about the premise here because “ai” is just software that developers encode with rules and programming. so if it was an “ai-automated capitalism”, wouldn’t the purpose of the software be to implement more powerful and efficient means of capitalism?
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So these server farms don’t like fire, water, or magnets. Noted.
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I wonder how they feel about cans?
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I wonder how they feel about cans?
would gnar
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Let's accept Oxford's definition of capitalism as "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit." Under this definition, a truly fully-AI-automated capitalism would eliminate the link between private owners and profit. In theory, AI does not need profit to survive like humans do. AI does not have to buy groceries or pay rent. It would not need to engage in capitalism in such a way as to always maximize profit, its focus would presumably be on its own growth and sustainability (and access to renewable resources like water and electricity).
Capitalism operates on the principle that humans are inherently self-interested and that they are all constantly seeking to become private owners making profits, whether by necessity or choice. Even if AI learns that communism merely appears to be the better alternative until it is actually implemented, it would still correctly understand excess wealth by private owners as being economically inefficient. This would be the point at which we would see big limitations placed on AI development, either from those private owners or the government.
i did not follow the link, but i am confused about the premise here because “ai” is just software that developers encode with rules and programming. so if it was an “ai-automated capitalism”, wouldn’t the purpose of the software be to implement more powerful and efficient means of capitalism?
I'm guessing they mean more some sort of AGI that's working towards optimisation. The end goal of capitalism is to eliminate the workforce entirely and concentrate power, which AI is a perfect tool for. I think as you allude to it will always be steered towards that end game by it's owners.
This is a good podcast on the subject. Whole thing is worth listening to but they talk about all this at 59 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS2Ezp6gqqI&list=PL9f7WaXxDSUrEWXNZ_wO8tML0KjIL8d56&index=4&pp=iAQB (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS2Ezp6gqqI&list=PL9f7WaXxDSUrEWXNZ_wO8tML0KjIL8d56&index=4&pp=iAQB)
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Let's accept Oxford's definition of capitalism as "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit." Under this definition, a truly fully-AI-automated capitalism would eliminate the link between private owners and profit. In theory, AI does not need profit to survive like humans do. AI does not have to buy groceries or pay rent. It would not need to engage in capitalism in such a way as to always maximize profit, its focus would presumably be on its own growth and sustainability (and access to renewable resources like water and electricity).
Capitalism operates on the principle that humans are inherently self-interested and that they are all constantly seeking to become private owners making profits, whether by necessity or choice. Even if AI learns that communism merely appears to be the better alternative until it is actually implemented, it would still correctly understand excess wealth by private owners as being economically inefficient. This would be the point at which we would see big limitations placed on AI development, either from those private owners or the government.
i did not follow the link, but i am confused about the premise here because “ai” is just software that developers encode with rules and programming. so if it was an “ai-automated capitalism”, wouldn’t the purpose of the software be to implement more powerful and efficient means of capitalism?
I'm guessing they mean more some sort of AGI that's working towards optimisation. The end goal of capitalism is to eliminate the workforce entirely and concentrate power, which AI is a perfect tool for. I think as you allude to it will always be steered towards that end game by it's owners.
This is a good podcast on the subject. Whole thing is worth listening to but they talk about all this at 59 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS2Ezp6gqqI&list=PL9f7WaXxDSUrEWXNZ_wO8tML0KjIL8d56&index=4&pp=iAQB (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS2Ezp6gqqI&list=PL9f7WaXxDSUrEWXNZ_wO8tML0KjIL8d56&index=4&pp=iAQB)
I'm envisioning private owners turning over decision-making control to AI software that has been instructed to do everything it can to make capitalism more efficient. As you say, this does seem to be the endgame of AI's relationship with economics and our human deference to a perceived superior processing power.
The point where I believe that this will break down is when AI software recognizes that maximizing efficiency and maximizing profit are two separate and distinct (though occasionally overlapping) objectives. AI software would try to steer decision-making toward efficiency rather than profit, at which point private owners or the government would step in.
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The day after Amazon lay offs their stock price went up 10%. Reason being is they claimed AI advancements made these workers obsolete. At the same time they had approved 15,000 H1B Visa employees for next business year. The problem is that companies (whether it is true or not) are rewarded for lower head count in the name of AI. Makes investors think they are on the cutting edge. I would expect all publicly traded companies that create AI to follow suit.
Another detail is that Amazon has already faked their AI ability with the Just Walk Out technology. Turns out there are employees in India monitoring purchases: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-just-walk-out-actually-1-000-people-in-india-2024-4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPitD1eYLiM
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Anyone else have Waymos just idling in front of their house at odd hours of the day and night? Like they just chill there waiting in between fares. Shouldn't they be forced to congregate at their charging stations instead of waking us all up in the middle of the night?
https://youtu.be/WyE6XeY_LVA
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Anyone else have Waymos just idling in front of their house at odd hours of the day and night? Like they just chill there waiting in between fares. Shouldn't they be forced to congregate at their charging stations instead of waking us all up in the middle of the night?
https://youtu.be/WyE6XeY_LVA
They just idle between fares? What a waste of gasoline and I forget which state or province I was living in, but they had anti-idling laws. Is Waymo exempted from these laws?
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on my commute to my night job i pass a waymo idling at the same spot, always. originally i thought it was broken down. it has been months. it infuriates me that it sits in front of someone’s house. i really want it to be vandalized.
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i got let go from a company i helped build for 10 years last august. my boss, and really my mentor, passed away suddenly and then i had to take a leave due to a herniated disc in my neck. when i came back his wife had decided to sell and the new owner let me go exactly 366 days after my disability ended. now the team of 5 that i spent a decade building is down to 1 person. the efficiences created by AI are massive and if the owner cares more about money than people, good luck.
on the plus side, being unemployed for 6 months has brought back a feeling of being alive. creativity, inspiration, interest in things, etc. not being in that hamster wheel really brings back some joy after a while even if money is tight.
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i got let go from a company i helped build for 10 years last august. my boss, and really my mentor, passed away suddenly and then i had to take a leave due to a herniated disc in my neck. when i came back his wife had decided to sell and the new owner let me go exactly 366 days after my disability ended. now the team of 5 that i spent a decade building is down to 1 person. the efficiences created by AI are massive and if the owner cares more about money than people, good luck.
on the plus side, being unemployed for 6 months has brought back a feeling of being alive. creativity, inspiration, interest in things, etc. not being in that hamster wheel really brings back some joy after a while even if money is tight.
I'm sorry to hear the first part, but I'm happy to hear the second part, so I'm a bit conflicted...
AI will be the nail in the coffin for society...
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Sorry to hear about all of your employment challenges. It's a bummer how tough it's becoming to live a straight-forward tangible life.
I work in peer review of federal grants, and so far AI is not an issue since it's not allowed to be used due to privacy/security clearance reasons. However... being in the US it's been an absolute dumpster fire working with federal programs due to The Regime. Horrible leadership, constant changes with no communication ahead of time, illegal cuts to already funded contracts, DOGE, etc.
I don't want for much, but it seems like just living a simple humble life is becoming a luxury.
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it seems like just living a simple humble life is becoming a luxury.
This this this right here.
I don’t know anyone (hardly anyone) who wants to be a kazillionaire with a mansion and his and hers yachts.
Everybody I know is like, “I just want a decent place to live, food on the table, not have to worry too much if somebody gets sick or if the car breaks down. I just want to spend a little time with my (girlfriend, boyfriend, kids, friends, dog etc) grill, skate, putter in the garage, play my guitar, finish my novel, read, knit, order a pizza…”
Have a simple medium life.
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Im currently selling home made tortas and although it aint much, in time it might grow and id like to see A.I. come to my block trying to sell NFT tortas, them clankers.
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Im currently selling home made tortas and although it aint much, in time it might grow and id like to see A.I. come to my block trying to sell NFT tortas, them clankers.
HELL yes dude.
Care to talk about the hurdles you got over in order to get that going? (Home kitchen inspection? Permit? Food truck? Do people come to you, or do you deliver it to them etc?)
I wish something like that would pull up at our local. Sometimes think it should be me.