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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: 13callsBS on July 10, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
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Why is it that skaters think it's okay to put out video parts with less than 10 clips? I realize that there's more pressure when you are sponsored and shit, put in the end, it's just skating. People need to be like JT and say "I realize skating is something that should be done for fun, but now I have people paying me for this, it's a job. I can't party all day.". I don't see how Hsu, Cole, MJ, all those guys can make 5+ minute parts and Austin Stephens is pro and can't get more than 3 clips. What pisses me off even more is when you see kids on youtube skating the same shitty, cracking deck at shitty, cracking spots and put out 3 minutes of quality footage every week. And they even have to go to school. If you party and can produce, like Dollin, keep doing what you're doing. But skaters need to remember they aren't rock stars, and remember being a 14 year old skate rat.
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monliar!
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robbie mckinnley
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wait just one minute..... Austin stephens only had a short part in good and evil cause he was hurt. The rest of his shit is legit.
and nobody needs to be like jamie thomas
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um, its called FILMING FOR A VIDEO?! toy machine has a new video in progress, so im sure austin is busy logging footage for it. plus, he had that awesome interview in transworld a few months back with some gnarly shots.
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robbie mckinley
robbie was never pro, and stopped skating seriously a few years ago.
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robbie was never pro, and stopped skating seriously a few years ago.
Dude is a graphic designer now.....and created skate dice.
I hear the points being made. Like those Sk8 Mafia guys are ruthless.....putting out footage like no other and for fun for the most part. I can only think of so many lazy pros and usually those guys actually have a legit excuse. Can we call Gino lazy? Wenning too? Hard to say.....but they are pro.
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haha i dont think dustin dollin is the best example you could haev used. in the baker tour video he has 2 clips, and one of them is a crooked grind on a wooden box.
Seriously.. It's funny that people talk about him like he somehow magically pulls off being an alcoholic and remains productive. It worked for him for a while but it's obviously taking it's toll. Nobody can do that shit forever.
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oh fuckin waaahhhh :'( those dudes who sleep on getting coverage end up down wenning avenue.
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wait just one minute..... Austin stephens only had a short part in good and evil cause he was hurt. The rest of his shit is legit.
and nobody needs to be like jamie thomas
You are definitely entitled to your own opinion, but lets be real, dude hasn't had a good part since TIS, released in '03. 6 years ago he had a pretty rockin' part and even then it was all of a minute and a half. His Good & Evil was sub-par to say the least. And while his Suffer The Joy part was longer, there weren't more than 10 tricks in there that were anything special.
Dude is milking it, but maybe he's got some good stuff in store for his next part. That remains to be seen.
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Tim O
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haha i dont think dustin dollin is the best example you could haev used. in the baker tour video he has 2 clips, and one of them is a crooked grind on a wooden box.
and hes doing coke
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i get your point and know this isn't exactly what you're talking about, but one thing to consider is- do you really want a five+ minute part out of everybody? i definitely don't. i'd rather see the best stuff a person has to offer in a minute part then a huge part from somebody i'm not really that interested in. and then there's people who can put out a five trick clip and it's more of a stoke than some people's full parts. whether or not they're being lazy by putting out just a few great clips i can't say, but inspiration can't be quantified by tricks counted or time clocked.
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MJ 5 minute part? did you not watch fully flared?
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MJ 5 minute part? did you not watch fully flared?
lol it was 13 minutes long
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9BFMjKUKs
This got me way more stoked to skate than say, Cole in RTS. Besides, even the laziest pro skates way more and way harder than your average Joe. Or at least they did at some point, otherwise their name wouldn't be on a board.
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i get your point and know this isn't exactly what you're talking about, but one thing to consider is- do you really want a five+ minute part out of everybody? i definitely don't. i'd rather see the best stuff a person has to offer in a minute part then a huge part from somebody i'm not really that interested in. and then there's people who can put out a five trick clip and it's more of a stoke than some people's full parts. whether or not they're being lazy by putting out just a few great clips i can't say, but inspiration can't be quantified by tricks counted or time clocked.
true. for an example, check ginos trilogy part, the whole spitfire video, matt reason in sub zero
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9BFMjKUKs
This got me way more stoked to skate than say, Cole in RTS. Besides, even the laziest pro skates way more and way harder than your average Joe. Or at least they did at some point, otherwise their name wouldn't be on a board.
why he trying to be TOR, no one compares to TOR, you all will see once you gaze your eyes upon his bonus round part
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MJ 5 minute part? did you not watch fully flared?
I'm fully aware of that. I thin I said 5+ minutes, which means over 5 minutes.
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um, its called FILMING FOR A VIDEO?! toy machine has a new video in progress, so im sure austin is busy logging footage for it. plus, he had that awesome interview in transworld a few months back with some gnarly shots.
Didn't he also say is said interview that Ed had to talk to him about not doing much footage or ad wise?
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haha i dont think dustin dollin is the best example you could haev used. in the baker tour video he has 2 clips, and one of them is a crooked grind on a wooden box.
Then again, that's just a tour video. Dude's been putting out fucktons of footage since god knows when.
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once stephens got on dekline, lots of posters here seemed to be quite on the nut.
dude rips. no need to hate him now..
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i get your point and know this isn't exactly what you're talking about, but one thing to consider is- do you really want a five+ minute part out of everybody? i definitely don't. i'd rather see the best stuff a person has to offer in a minute part then a huge part from somebody i'm not really that interested in. and then there's people who can put out a five trick clip and it's more of a stoke than some people's full parts. whether or not they're being lazy by putting out just a few great clips i can't say, but inspiration can't be quantified by tricks counted or time clocked.
True, but it's a rule in life that while people with talent will get a head-start, people with work ethic will eventually overtake them. I want 5+minute parts out of people I'm stoked on, if you don't want a five+ minute part from skaters I listed, you are fucking insane. I realize that "there's people who can put out a five trick clip and it's more of a stoke than some people's full parts" but they still need to put out a longer part. And yes, they are being lazy by not getting tricks.
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haha i dont think dustin dollin is the best example you could haev used. in the baker tour video he has 2 clips, and one of them is a crooked grind on a wooden box.
Seriously.. It's funny that people talk about him like he somehow magically pulls off being an alcoholic and remains productive. It worked for him for a while but it's obviously taking it's toll. Nobody can do that shit forever.
how do you even know he was on the tour? i'm pretty sure that if he was, he'd have had more than three tricks (fs flip disaster, bs kickflip transfer thing, and the crook on the box). i doubt he just showed up to the demos and didn't skate. he probably was on some tour with another one of his sponsors like volcom, and only went to a few demos with baker.
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How can you be hating on Austin Stephens? Even when he's hurt and not getting the craziest tricks his footage still looks a million times better than most pros. He just came out with an awesome interview, had some good clips in the RVCA promo and had some good stuff in the Toy tour video a little while back.
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who is TOR?
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monliar!
Is he of Chocolate now?
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How can you be hating on Austin Stephens? Even when he's hurt and not getting the craziest tricks his footage still looks a million times better than most pros. He just came out with an awesome interview, had some good clips in the RVCA promo and had some good stuff in the Toy tour video a little while back.
i think anyone can hate on stephens you look at half the team on toy machine and look at what theyre pros are doing "cough templeton" dudes old as shit and still kills it harder than stephens ever did if anything stephens is skating like a retired 40 year old
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who is TOR?
nestor judkins.
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wait just one minute..... Austin stephens only had a short part in good and evil cause he was hurt. The rest of his shit is legit.
and nobody needs to be like jamie thomas
You are definitely entitled to your own opinion, but lets be real, dude hasn't had a good part since TIS, released in '03. 6 years ago he had a pretty rockin' part and even then it was all of a minute and a half. His Good & Evil was sub-par to say the least. And while his Suffer The Joy part was longer, there weren't more than 10 tricks in there that were anything special.
Dude is milking it, but maybe he's got some good stuff in store for his next part. That remains to be seen.
Quality not quantity.... and you can't film a part when you're injured
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The sole reason lazy pros can exist is because of slap.
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alex olson is known to be lazy
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For some reason I liked Tom Penny more when he was lazy and didn't put anything out.
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jereme rogers
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The sole reason lazy pros can exist is because of slap.
that's a pretty good 'un right thurr.
i thought it was funny when stephens said templeton had to get on him about his half ass skating. honestly, you can talk all the shit you want about style and looks, but you gotta do better than he has been because looking good is just icing on the cake. i'm not disputing the importance of icing but you still gotta have the fluffy moist goodness to back it up. TIS happened 6 years ago. luckily for us it looks like he's coming around.
cake...mmm
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quality over quantity is definitely a good point however i wouldnt consider pivot fakies with "style" as quality. guy above me put it well in saying that style is just the icing on the cake. played and fairly easy tricks with good style are still just that. Played out and easy. i guess i get bummed on guys who seem to have a ton of potential to be next level dudes and seem to get lazy. kerry getz comes to mind. its like watching the same part for 10 years running. he just adds another rotation to his kickflips every couple years. just my w cents.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9BFMjKUKs
This got me way more stoked to skate than say, Cole in RTS. Besides, even the laziest pro skates way more and way harder than your average Joe. Or at least they did at some point, otherwise their name wouldn't be on a board.
so true man, lately id rather watch stuff like this to get me pumped to learn tricks man. i feel like everything in skateboarding has already been done. every video has the same gay feel, so nonetheless idc about dudes who put out a million minutes of footy anymore. and plus some dudes have a harder time getting footage too. some nike article talks about clark hassler having a hrd time landing tricks, but we all know his abilities up there...idk
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wait just one minute..... Austin stephens only had a short part in good and evil cause he was hurt. The rest of his shit is legit.
and nobody needs to be like jamie thomas
nah hes just a pussy
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Austin Stephens rips!
He is one of those dudes who will try a backside flip over a certain gap a hundred times just till he gets one that is perfect!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9BFMjKUKs
This got me way more stoked to skate than say, Cole in RTS. Besides, even the laziest pro skates way more and way harder than your average Joe. Or at least they did at some point, otherwise their name wouldn't be on a board.
so true man, lately id rather watch stuff like this to get me pumped to learn tricks man. i feel like everything in skateboarding has already been done. every video has the same gay feel, so nonetheless idc about dudes who put out a million minutes of footy anymore. and plus some dudes have a harder time getting footage too. some nike article talks about clark hassler having a hrd time landing tricks, but we all know his abilities up there...idk
It's because they suck and are lazy. If you go skate even 3 times a week with a camera you can get a good amount of footage in a year.
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daniel castillo
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devine calloway
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scott johnstone? i mean, as evident in the final flare, he went on every trip, all over the states and to europe, yet only put out like 10 clips in FF?
dont get me wrong, not hating on him, i have mad respect for him. everything he DOES produce is gold
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Jeff Lenoce. ALWAYS the same shit, he is fully milking it. Used to be a fan but I can only take seeing the same trick variations so many times.
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to be honest the only guy that comes to mind is austin. but its okay i still believe he'll pull out a solid part sometime soon. i loved his old 411 profile, short and sweet.
actually, wait, i'm suprised ed selego's name hasn't popped up.
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One of the things that makes skateboarding cool is that "pro" can mean anything and it's entirely up to you want you want to make of it. Do how you want to do it.
If all of a sudden there was rules as to how many video parts you had to put out and what tricks you had to do to be considered a pro level then everything thats individual and good about skateboarding would get killed and things would start to suck really fast.
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Precisely.
Real skaters don't skate.
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quality>quantity
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to the guy that said he feels that everything that could be done in skateboarding has been done... i've noticed that since i started skating back around 2000 things are progressing slower now than they used to, but... there is still a lot more to be done. people will just continue to do techer tricks on bigger shit, but i kind of agree it doesn't happen as rapidly as it used to. when there's money on the line it happens quicker (example the wallenberg contest). nyjah huston may have shitty style now but if he's still in the game when he gets older i predict we'll see some (literally) mind blowing shit from him. it's the little kids who have more talent than most pros that will progress skating as long as they stay in it, whether or not we like to watch them now.
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scott johnstone? i mean, as evident in the final flare, he went on every trip, all over the states and to europe, yet only put out like 10 clips in FF?
dont get me wrong, not hating on him, i have mad respect for him. everything he DOES produce is gold
i thought he retired from pro-status and runs the crailtap website.
has anyone said Brad Staba yet?
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to the guy that said he feels that everything that could be done in skateboarding has been done... i've noticed that since i started skating back around 2000 things are progressing slower now than they used to, but... there is still a lot more to be done. people will just continue to do techer tricks on bigger shit, but i kind of agree it doesn't happen as rapidly as it used to. when there's money on the line it happens quicker (example the wallenberg contest). nyjah huston may have shitty style now but if he's still in the game when he gets older i predict we'll see some (literally) mind blowing shit from him. it's the little kids who have more talent than most pros that will progress skating as long as they stay in it, whether or not we like to watch them now.
Literally mind blowing? Wow, I'd definitely like to see people's heads explode from watching skate footage!
Or... do you just not know what "literally" means?
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Evan Hernandez
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to the guy that said he feels that everything that could be done in skateboarding has been done... i've noticed that since i started skating back around 2000 things are progressing slower now than they used to, but... there is still a lot more to be done. people will just continue to do techer tricks on bigger shit, but i kind of agree it doesn't happen as rapidly as it used to. when there's money on the line it happens quicker (example the wallenberg contest). nyjah huston may have shitty style now but if he's still in the game when he gets older i predict we'll see some (literally) mind blowing shit from him. it's the little kids who have more talent than most pros that will progress skating as long as they stay in it, whether or not we like to watch them now.
Literally mind blowing? Wow, I'd definitely like to see people's heads explode from watching skate footage!
Or... do you just not know what "literally" means?
i just mean things that you see that are hard to fathom. right now in skateboarding i don't see too many things that i thought were not possible. when nyjah kickflip back lipped a 15 at the age of 13 i think it was, it was something i really didn't think could be done by someone that young. another one was louie barletta doing that full loop that was only about as big height wise as he was. just about anything really is possible, but i think once you start getting to over 25 stairs a skateboard can't handle the impact without breaking (jumping all the way down, ledges and rails are a different story). like when ali boulala tried to ollie that 25 in sorry... he made it all the way down but his trucks exploded out of the board.
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Guys, people are getting butthurt over me mentioning Austin Stephens. I'm not saying that he's bad, but there's still a need to put out decent amounts of footy. Think of it this way:
There are 2 cakes on sale. One is chocolate, other is vanilla. Same kind of cake, different flavors.
Both sell for $10.
Turns out, the 1st cake tastes twice as good as the 2nd one, but they only sell you half the cake for the same price. Wouldn't you be pissed and make those cake stealin' muthafuckas give you all the damn cake you pay for?
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thanks for makin things nice and clear for us^
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Gator's pretty fucking lazy, dude hasn't had clips in years.
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Ddue, I wanna see a new Kenny Reed part.
Don't hate on A-Stone, dude has the smooth style.
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Tony Silva
Awesome skater, but never films.
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i would say braydon but i know for a fact that dude gets some serious unlucky breaks with injuries.
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to the guy that said he feels that everything that could be done in skateboarding has been done... i've noticed that since i started skating back around 2000 things are progressing slower now than they used to, but... there is still a lot more to be done. people will just continue to do techer tricks on bigger shit, but i kind of agree it doesn't happen as rapidly as it used to. when there's money on the line it happens quicker (example the wallenberg contest). nyjah huston may have shitty style now but if he's still in the game when he gets older i predict we'll see some (literally) mind blowing shit from him. it's the little kids who have more talent than most pros that will progress skating as long as they stay in it, whether or not we like to watch them now.
i mean i definitely worded that wrong. i dont know how to explain how i feel about skate videos these days. everything new that drops i watch twice and then dont really care anymore. not that the tricks have all been done but just the feel of a skate video. Like no offense, but i bought proof and watched it maybe twice and then wasnt really into it anymore...but thats just me. Everyones got their own opinions but i just feel like calling a pro lazy because of what parts they drop is dumb. theres pros that possibly kill contests and stuff and maybe thats why theyre pro. Like whoever said castillo is lazy, it could be true but we never know unless we skate with him on a daily, like for a bunch of other dudes. idk suck a fart outta a butt nd call me sallyhansen