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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: onsomefelixshit on June 04, 2010, 03:18:19 PM
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http://skate.ly/blog/skateboarders-cant-film-police-abuse-in-some-states/
This is pretty fucked up. In a few states you can get a felony for filming on-duty cops in public. I had a friend that got tackled by a cop for no reason and got it on film. His parents made a fuss and it ended up getting the officer suspended. Crazy how it could be illegal to film a cop abusing his power. What the hell can you do to protect yourself?
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isn't there anyone contesting this interpretation? this sounds like it has some long reaching effects.
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that video still pisses me off to this day.
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I'm speechless, that's some fucked up shit.
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how can you let this come this far?
cops abusing their power to the fullest from now on.
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thats some bullshit
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fuck that cop what a short tempered piggy
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This is such bullshit.
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What the hell can you do to protect yourself?
the police are there to protect you citizen. sometimes they need to protect you from yourself. obey the authority of the police department at all times. nothing to see here, move along
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Wow, of course Maryland is one of those states; that prick rent-a-cop from that Baltimore video is probably cheering his ass off.
MARTIAL LAW!
MARTIAL LAW!
MARTIAL LAW!
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that video still pisses me off to this day.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/zPT1C60-1xU&hl=en_US&fs=1&"
Copwatch
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what if the footage of the cop is accidentally obtained? to use an unlikely theoretical example, what if some kids had the intent of just filming skating and out of nowhere a cop tackled them and it was caught on camera? i can see why it is illegal to record with the specific intent of capturing a cop doing something illegal, but if one is filming with intention of recording skateboarding and a cop becomes part of a recording that did not have the intention of capturing their wrongdoing in the first place, i don't understand how it is like a wiretap at all because with the wire tap their is a specific target and intent in mind when the person recoridng the audio conversation begins to do so.
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fuck the government
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So glad I moved away from Illinois...
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How come cops can sit behind a dashboard camera and film people doing things illegal. But the people cannot film a cop doing something illegal.
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What the hell can you do to protect yourself?
Buy one of these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfLZozBVpM
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cops know when they're fucking up. i'll admit, with everything going on in my life that is ten times crazier than anyone else i've ever heard, even seen in fucked up movies, i had a bad cocaine problem that i'm lucky enough right now to have beaten. i had some shorts in the back of my car that had been sitting there for probably two months. let my friend drive, he got pulled over. cop found an old straw in the shorts that had nothing on it for sure (i knew). he asked me if i had done cocaine and i said i had, i told him the only reason i said so was because in past experiences with cops honesty was the best policy. they said they ran a test on it and it came up positive for coke. they never let me see the test or anything, it was all bullshit. i never showed up for court but it turns out the shit got thrown out because the judge knew what was up. fuck police period.
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a few years ago i wanted to move to the USA really badly because the life there was so much better. Recently though, so much fucked up shit has happened, all those shitty laws, oils spills, overall ignorance has made me thing otherwise.
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http://carlosmiller.com/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urUhLD0fSFI
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i bet rodney king is pretty bummed right now
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I've never seen that Baltimore video in the article. It was hilarious. You could tell the officer had those lines planned out for weeks and was waiting for the first non-threatening individual to use them on that day.
"You disrespected me, this badge, and my department!"
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I never saw that video of that fuck in Baltimore before. What a piece of shit, power tripping on some kid, yeah big man. Fuck I wish the kid was a little older so he could've given that fuck some lip. May have landed him in a bit more trouble but it more importantly wouldn't have let that fat fuckstain feel like he was in control and insted would have possibley taken a chunk out of his ego. If someone's that desperate for control any type of resitance would eat them up inside.
This law you guys are getting in some states is awful, I hope this ceases soon. It's not right, it puts police - who are simply civilians like you or me - above the law. That's fucking corrupt.
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I never saw that video of that fuck in Baltimore before. What a piece of shit, power tripping on some kid, yeah big man. Fuck I wish the kid was a little older so he could've given that fuck some lip. May have landed him in a bit more trouble but it more importantly wouldn't have let that fat fuckstain feel like he was in control and insted would have possibley taken a chunk out of his ego. If someone's that desperate for control any type of resitance would eat them up inside.
This law you guys are getting in some states is awful, I hope this ceases soon. It's not right, it puts police - who are simply civilians like you or me - above the law. That's fucking corrupt.
"Man, I'm facing indisputable evidence against me and hundreds, if not thousands, in court fines, but damn does it feel good to know that I upheld my pride by standing up to the officer that gave numerous opportunities to shut up. Totally worth it."
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Here's a really good article on the subject from Glen E Friedmen's blog.
http://idealistpropaganda.blogspot.com/2010/06/are-cameras-new-guns.html (http://idealistpropaganda.blogspot.com/2010/06/are-cameras-new-guns.html)
Are Cameras the New Guns?
from Gizmodo:
In response to a flood of Facebook and YouTube videos that depict police abuse, a new trend in law enforcement is gaining popularity. In at least three states, it is now illegal to record any on-duty police officer.
Even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists.
The legal justification for arresting the "shooter" rests on existing wiretapping or eavesdropping laws, with statutes against obstructing law enforcement sometimes cited. Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland are among the 12 states in which all parties must consent for a recording to be legal unless, as with TV news crews, it is obvious to all that recording is underway. Since the police do not consent, the camera-wielder can be arrested. Most all-party-consent states also include an exception for recording in public places where "no expectation of privacy exists" (Illinois does not) but in practice this exception is not being recognized.
Massachusetts attorney June Jensen represented Simon Glik who was arrested for such a recording. She explained, "[T]he statute has been misconstrued by Boston police. You could go to the Boston Common and snap pictures and record if you want." Legal scholar and professor Jonathan Turley agrees, "The police are basing this claim on a ridiculous reading of the two-party consent surveillance law - requiring all parties to consent to being taped. I have written in the area of surveillance law and can say that this is utter nonsense."
The courts, however, disagree. A few weeks ago, an Illinois judge rejected a motion to dismiss an eavesdropping charge against Christopher Drew, who recorded his own arrest for selling one-dollar artwork on the streets of Chicago. Although the misdemeanor charges of not having a peddler's license and peddling in a prohibited area were dropped, Drew is being prosecuted for illegal recording, a Class I felony punishable by 4 to 15 years in prison.
In 2001, when Michael Hyde was arrested for criminally violating the state's electronic surveillance law - aka recording a police encounter - the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court upheld his conviction 4-2. In dissent, Chief Justice Margaret Marshall stated, "Citizens have a particularly important role to play when the official conduct at issue is that of the police. Their role cannot be performed if citizens must fear criminal reprisals…." (Note: In some states it is the audio alone that makes the recording illegal.)
The selection of "shooters" targeted for prosecution do, indeed, suggest a pattern of either reprisal or an attempt to intimidate.
Glik captured a police action on his cellphone to document what he considered to be excessive force. He was not only arrested, his phone was also seized.
On his website Drew wrote, "Myself and three other artists who documented my actions tried for two months to get the police to arrest me for selling art downtown so we could test the Chicago peddlers license law. The police hesitated for two months because they knew it would mean a federal court case. With this felony charge they are trying to avoid this test and ruin me financially and stain my credibility."
Hyde used his recording to file a harassment complaint against the police. After doing so, he was criminally charged.
In short, recordings that are flattering to the police - an officer kissing a baby or rescuing a dog - will almost certainly not result in prosecution even if they are done without all-party consent. The only people who seem prone to prosecution are those who embarrass or confront the police, or who somehow challenge the law. If true, then the prosecutions are a form of social control to discourage criticism of the police or simple dissent.
A recent arrest in Maryland is both typical and disturbing.
On March 5, 24-year-old Anthony John Graber III's motorcycle was pulled over for speeding. He is currently facing criminal charges for a video he recorded on his helmet-mounted camera during the traffic stop.
The case is disturbing because:
1) Graber was not arrested immediately. Ten days after the encounter, he posted some of he material to YouTube, and it embarrassed Trooper J. D. Uhler. The trooper, who was in plainclothes and an unmarked car, jumped out waving a gun and screaming. Only later did Uhler identify himself as a police officer. When the YouTube video was discovered the police got a warrant against Graber, searched his parents' house (where he presumably lives), seized equipment, and charged him with a violation of wiretapping law.
2) Baltimore criminal defense attorney Steven D. Silverman said he had never heard of the Maryland wiretap law being used in this manner. In other words, Maryland has joined the expanding trend of criminalizing the act of recording police abuse. Silverman surmises, "It's more [about] ‘contempt of cop' than the violation of the wiretapping law."
3) Police spokesman Gregory M. Shipley is defending the pursuit of charges against Graber, denying that it is "some capricious retribution" and citing as justification the particularly egregious nature of Graber's traffic offenses. Oddly, however, the offenses were not so egregious as to cause his arrest before the video appeared.
Almost without exception, police officials have staunchly supported the arresting officers. This argues strongly against the idea that some rogue officers are overreacting or that a few cops have something to hide. "Arrest those who record the police" appears to be official policy, and it's backed by the courts.
Carlos Miller at the Photography Is Not A Crime website offers an explanation: "For the second time in less than a month, a police officer was convicted from evidence obtained from a videotape. The first officer to be convicted was New York City Police Officer Patrick Pogan, who would never have stood trial had it not been for a video posted on Youtube showing him body slamming a bicyclist before charging him with assault on an officer. The second officer to be convicted was Ottawa Hills (Ohio) Police Officer Thomas White, who shot a motorcyclist in the back after a traffic stop, permanently paralyzing the 24-year-old man."
When the police act as though cameras were the equivalent of guns pointed at them, there is a sense in which they are correct. Cameras have become the most effective weapon that ordinary people have to protect against and to expose police abuse. And the police want it to stop.
Happily, even as the practice of arresting "shooters" expands, there are signs of effective backlash. At least one Pennsylvania jurisdiction has reaffirmed the right to video in public places. As part of a settlement with ACLU attorneys who represented an arrested "shooter," the police in Spring City and East Vincent Township adopted a written policy allowing the recording of on-duty policemen.
As journalist Radley Balko declares, "State legislatures should consider passing laws explicitly making it legal to record on-duty law enforcement officials."
Wendy McElroy is the author of several books on anarchism and feminism. She maintains the iconoclastic website ifeminists.net as well as an active blog at wendymcelroy.com.
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What the hell can you do to protect yourself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfLZozBVpM
4:08 is the best. No, the whole video is the best.
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total tyranny
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after the motorcycle incident in maryland a few weeks back, the ACLU stepped up provide the motorcyclist with legal counsel. here's the article
http://wjz.com/local/traffic.stop.youtube.2.1727404.html (http://wjz.com/local/traffic.stop.youtube.2.1727404.html)
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I never saw that video of that fuck in Baltimore before. What a piece of shit, power tripping on some kid, yeah big man. Fuck I wish the kid was a little older so he could've given that fuck some lip. May have landed him in a bit more trouble but it more importantly wouldn't have let that fat fuckstain feel like he was in control and insted would have possibley taken a chunk out of his ego. If someone's that desperate for control any type of resitance would eat them up inside.
This law you guys are getting in some states is awful, I hope this ceases soon. It's not right, it puts police - who are simply civilians like you or me - above the law. That's fucking corrupt.
"Man, I'm facing indisputable evidence against me and hundreds, if not thousands, in court fines, but damn does it feel good to know that I upheld my pride by standing up to the officer that gave numerous opportunities to shut up. Totally worth it."
Freedom of speech. You can not charge someone for saying "excuss me, you are excedding your authority. I refuse to address you as officer until you begin to respect me. Please lower your voice." That would have been enough to bother that fat fuck. That may have provoked the cop to proscute the kid to the fullest of his ablities but that would have resulted in what, a $75 dollar ticket in this instance? If it were me I'd much rather the ticket then let that filth go home with the satasfaction of talking down to me without a response.
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When they say Illionis I'm gonna assume Chicago, and yeah cops here suck.
I remember when I was just leisurely crusiering along, when a cop randomly blares a loud horn, gets on a speaker and tells me to get off my skateboard.
People dieing and getting shot every-fucking-where in Chicago and skaters are the biggest threat. Go figure :-X
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What the hell can you do to protect yourself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfLZozBVpM
thank god i entered this thread
he is truly the destroyer of worlds
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http://carlosmiller.com/
Bookmarked
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(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy122/maruddia/skatetiket.jpg)
-gonz
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this nearly happened when my boy whipped out his cell phone as some power hungry cop was kicking us out of a spot last week. his exact words were, and i quote, "were you filming? i wish you were because that's a felony charge." dude was a fucking douche, i thought what he said was bullshit but MD is on that list and that's where it happened. funny how this law only protects the police from being filmed without consent, so when this happens to anyone who isn't a cop then it's not a felony? something seems iffy.
the fact is that this seems to be a first amendment issue, which doesn't protect the freedom of cops to do whatever the fuck they want. especially if they're doing something unreasonable that shouldn't be done in the first place.
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the fact is that this seems to be a first amendment issue, which doesn't protect the freedom of cops to do whatever the fuck they want. especially if they're doing something unreasonable that shouldn't be done in the first place.
exactly. if there is any justice left in the american courts, these state laws will be over ruled at the federal level. i truly can't see how this is legal.
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same cop. Officer.. RIVIERI!
this is kind of funny, but this guy is such a piece of shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedlpshJb4c&feature=related
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Has anyone tried to get the ACLU in on this? It's quite frightening to think the police are above being policed. Where are the checks and balances our whole system of government is based upon?
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man cops are the fucking worst..
this is what got my board taken 5 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3HnkLpAhUs
I'm the guy doing the 180. My board is still at the police station. It was pretty much
all over the news where i live (holland), and i haven't heard of the police since.
I should go to court i think but this all happened in november haven't heard of em since, probably because of the media hype.
the police in the clip says:
"In the worst case this will cost you a few hundred euros."
"for what?"
"for creating a dangerous situation. If I have to slow down with my police car, it's not good!
all pretty funny but the cop didnt know it was caught on tape. He told me later his boss was proud of how he handled the situation. (when i met him on the streets). I'm thinking about getting a lawyer and getting my board back + some extra money because i had to buy some new shit (200 dollars son!). Anyone have any advice?
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man cops are the fucking worst..
this is what got my board taken 5 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3HnkLpAhUs
I'm the guy doing the 180. My board is still at the police station. It was pretty much
all over the news where i live (holland), and i haven't heard of the police since.
I should go to court i think but this all happened in november haven't heard of em since, probably because of the media hype.
the police in the clip says:
"In the worst case this will cost you a few hundred euros."
"for what?"
"for creating a dangerous situation. If I have to slow down with my police car, it's not good!
all pretty funny but the cop didnt know it was caught on tape. He told me later his boss was proud of how he handled the situation. (when i met him on the streets). I'm thinking about getting a lawyer and getting my board back + some extra money because i had to buy some new shit (200 dollars son!). Anyone have any advice?
Sucks you got your board taken, but that video wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I'm amazed that it was "all over the news" because it would take a cop punching a kid in the face to be a news story in the US.
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Check this shit.
http://www.youtube.com/v/xB9Ix8AtqXE&hl=en_US&fs=1&
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that video still pisses me off to this day.
Well, one of the kids was mallgrabbing, so they kind of asked for it. ::)
But in all seriousness, come the fuck on Massachusetts. Really? I don't follow much on our laws or politics but I thought we were all about civil liberties.