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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: Beeda Weeda on May 02, 2012, 11:45:41 AM
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/tmz-claims-junior-seau-dies-in-shooting/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/tmz-claims-junior-seau-dies-in-shooting/)
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I am not the biggest sports guy, but I would never wish this on anyone.
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
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a life of hart hits, concussions, alegged steriod abuse leads to a short post football life, sad.
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That sucks. Seau was a dope player. You never know how players are outside their comfort zone.
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yeah this is really sad, he seemed like a stand up guy and someone that would never do this. its odd how the guys you'd never expect to have crazy stuff like this happen to are the ones it happens to, just like stev mcnair.
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Holy shit.
Eli Manning is responsible for this.
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
No they aren't. This sort of shit is super common, and the NFL doesn't give a shit. As long as more rednecks worship qb's on sunday than Jesus, there is no way the NFL will reexamine shit.
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RIP
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damn that's 8 players that died from that 94 chargers team :(
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
seriously though, what do people want the nfl to do? making football safe from concussions would mean just not playing football. which is fine by me but i imagine the nfl and millions of psychotic dads and their turd offspring would see it differently.
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
seriously though, what do people want the nfl to do? making football safe from concussions would mean just not playing football. which is fine by me but i imagine the nfl and millions of psychotic dads and their turd offspring would see it differently.
The only thing I wan the NFL to do is push coaches to not force players to keep playing after head injuries and concussions. I said that though because the players association has been making a bigger deal about this in recent years, and now they are going to be making an even bigger fuss, which I think is good, It's sad hearing stories of guys who were encouraged to play with injuries, and now are practically brain dead vegetables who are severely depressed, which is very common.
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damn that's 8 players that died from that 94 chargers team :(
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Say it Ain't Seau.
Forreal, shit sucks.
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
seriously though, what do people want the nfl to do? making football safe from concussions would mean just not playing football. which is fine by me but i imagine the nfl and millions of psychotic dads and their turd offspring would see it differently.
The only thing I wan the NFL to do is push coaches to not force players to keep playing after head injuries and concussions. I said that though because the players association has been making a bigger deal about this in recent years, and now they are going to be making an even bigger fuss, which I think is good, It's sad hearing stories of guys who were encouraged to play with injuries, and now are practically brain dead vegetables who are severely depressed, which is very common.
Dude, a huge percentage of NFL players end up with serious brain damage or disabilities. No contract shifts will change that, they run into each other head first for a living.
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dude played for 3 teams I hated, but I still respected him for how he played. This sadly isn't a huge shock since this shit has been happening often. RIP
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
seriously though, what do people want the nfl to do? making football safe from concussions would mean just not playing football. which is fine by me but i imagine the nfl and millions of psychotic dads and their turd offspring would see it differently.
The only thing I wan the NFL to do is push coaches to not force players to keep playing after head injuries and concussions. I said that though because the players association has been making a bigger deal about this in recent years, and now they are going to be making an even bigger fuss, which I think is good, It's sad hearing stories of guys who were encouraged to play with injuries, and now are practically brain dead vegetables who are severely depressed, which is very common.
Dude, a huge percentage of NFL players end up with serious brain damage or disabilities. No contract shifts will change that, they run into each other head first for a living.
that is for sure fact. even post NCAA, people are heavily disabled or crippled years after. yes it is an issue that sound be looked over, but in the en, the NFL and the NCAA are businesses. the players are commodities for profit. it's fucked up. but either way. RIP to a usc and charger legend
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
seriously though, what do people want the nfl to do? making football safe from concussions would mean just not playing football. which is fine by me but i imagine the nfl and millions of psychotic dads and their turd offspring would see it differently.
The only thing I wan the NFL to do is push coaches to not force players to keep playing after head injuries and concussions. I said that though because the players association has been making a bigger deal about this in recent years, and now they are going to be making an even bigger fuss, which I think is good, It's sad hearing stories of guys who were encouraged to play with injuries, and now are practically brain dead vegetables who are severely depressed, which is very common.
they don't, really. Most of it is the players. They get contracts that depend on performance, so a player may get a concussion and either not tell the coach, or will say he hurt his ankle so he can sit down for a few minutes and then go back in. But if the player doesn't get x number of yards, he doesn't get that bonus payment. I'm sure coaches sometimes call a player a pussy and put him back in, but often times it's the players themselves that want to keep going.
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This is fucking horrible :'( Seau was a true legend. My guess would be that he suffered from serious depression due to repeated head injuries from playing in the league for so long, as many other veterans have and do. The NFL is going to have some serious thinking to do after this one, and another big backlash from former players.
seriously though, what do people want the nfl to do? making football safe from concussions would mean just not playing football. which is fine by me but i imagine the nfl and millions of psychotic dads and their turd offspring would see it differently.
The only thing I wan the NFL to do is push coaches to not force players to keep playing after head injuries and concussions. I said that though because the players association has been making a bigger deal about this in recent years, and now they are going to be making an even bigger fuss, which I think is good, It's sad hearing stories of guys who were encouraged to play with injuries, and now are practically brain dead vegetables who are severely depressed, which is very common.
Dude, a huge percentage of NFL players end up with serious brain damage or disabilities. No contract shifts will change that, they run into each other head first for a living.
They either need to ban it outright or stop complaining that they keep ending up dead. I personally support the former more than the latter, but know the latter is what will happen.
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Roger Goodell will slowly but surely neuter the NFL - he's coming down hard on the Saints for the bounty program, he made them remove the "jacked up" highlights Chris Berman used to do, they rarely replay the good hits during games etc.
Tons of older players are suing the NFL claiming they were not made aware of the dangers of the game, etc. The latest with Seau is just another to add to the list - his notoriety brings more heat on the issue.
Interesting / Sickening take on the whole Seau suicide I've heard - he shot himself in the chest so they can still examine and study his brain during the autopsy.
BleacherReport.com wrote this articled entitled "junior-seaus-death-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-nfl" - but it's since been pulled...surprise...
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Dude was the Karl Watson of NFL linebackers. Brought respect to the same position and the same division that Bill Romanowski fucked up.
Concussions and off-season pick-up basketball are ruining the art of playing defense.
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One of the best linebackers of our generation.
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Roger Goodell will slowly but surely neuter the NFL - he's coming down hard on the Saints for the bounty program, he made them remove the "jacked up" highlights Chris Berman used to do, they rarely replay the good hits during games etc.
Tons of older players are suing the NFL claiming they were not made aware of the dangers of the game, etc. The latest with Seau is just another to add to the list - his notoriety brings more heat on the issue.
Interesting / Sickening take on the whole Seau suicide I've heard - he shot himself in the chest so they can still examine and study his brain during the autopsy.
BleacherReport.com wrote this articled entitled "junior-seaus-death-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-nfl" - but it's since been pulled...surprise...
Punitive damages to a team who set out to win by destroying other teams instead of beating them with talent isn't exactly neutering. Goodell is an asshole, but if you're complaining about that it might be time for you (and everyone else cheering when people get taken off the field in stretchers) to migrate over to UFC.
The physicality is one part of the entertainment in sports, but the level at which the focus continues to shift onto it is frightening.
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Roger Goodell will slowly but surely neuter the NFL - he's coming down hard on the Saints for the bounty program, he made them remove the "jacked up" highlights Chris Berman used to do, they rarely replay the good hits during games etc.
Tons of older players are suing the NFL claiming they were not made aware of the dangers of the game, etc. The latest with Seau is just another to add to the list - his notoriety brings more heat on the issue.
Interesting / Sickening take on the whole Seau suicide I've heard - he shot himself in the chest so they can still examine and study his brain during the autopsy.
BleacherReport.com wrote this articled entitled "junior-seaus-death-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-nfl" - but it's since been pulled...surprise...
Punitive damages to a team who set out to win by destroying other teams instead of beating them with talent isn't exactly neutering. Goodell is an asshole, but if you're complaining about that it might be time for you (and everyone else cheering when people get taken off the field in stretchers) to migrate over to UFC.
The physicality is one part of the entertainment in sports, but the level at which the focus continues to shift onto it is frightening.
I know - I feel you, that's just more or less the "cry" from the public you will be hearing. All I was trying to say.
As for dopey UFC...Boxing > UFC
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Say it Ain't Seau.
I'm afraid it was Seauicide.
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(http://thedailyrival.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/pikachuromanowski.jpg)
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bill romanowski, pikachu, ray j, and chamillionaire.
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Interesting / Sickening take on the whole Seau suicide I've heard - he shot himself in the chest so they can still examine and study his brain during the autopsy.
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Dave Duerson also requested the same thing, the NFL in fact has a brain bank. This is a good article about it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/19/nfl-star-brain-injuries-destroyed (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/19/nfl-star-brain-injuries-destroyed)
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NY Times did a great three part feature on Derek Boogard /his death and how the brain trauma led up to it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sports/hockey/derek-boogaard-a-boy-learns-to-brawl.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sports/hockey/derek-boogaard-a-boy-learns-to-brawl.html?pagewanted=all)
There has been a lot of talk in the media about whether a legitimate ban for fighting (issuing suspension and monetary damages, etc. as opposed to minor in-game penalties,) this sums shit up pretty well:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2012/04/hockey-violence-blackhawks.html?mbid=social_mobile_FBshare&t=Violence+in+Hockey+%3A+The+New+Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2012/04/hockey-violence-blackhawks.html?mbid=social_mobile_FBshare&t=Violence+in+Hockey+%3A+The+New+Yorker)
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Fighting is clearly overlooked in hockey.
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alot of these sports are going to have to change with the times, people are getting bigger, strogner faster, and smarter
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Did he say ow?
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Fighting is clearly overlooked in hockey.
Seems to me like there's a sharp contrast between something being overlooked and something being heavily encouraged.
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Fighting is clearly overlooked in hockey.
Fair enough. My point was those couple minute stays in the penalty box are not meant to do anything to actually stop them from happening, neither are the highlight reel replays of them
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Fighting is clearly overlooked in hockey.
ralph nader recently called on the NHL to ban fighting.
Wasn't there a period, not long ago, when fighting was penalized far heavier than it is now? I think I recall there being a huge backlash from the fan base.
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Fighting is clearly overlooked in hockey.
The argument could also be made that the game clock actually stops during a fight, therefore it isn't even really part of the game.
But you can be sure as fuck no one is going to change the channel when a fight comes on. It draws ratings = money. Money > Players Health to the NHL. Bottom Line.
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Hockey and Football are apples and oranges.
Hockey players don't get CTE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy) unless they fight constantly, for their whole career. I don't think anyone should be under any illusions when it comes to getting punched in the face repeatedly on a frequent basis and your mental well-being -- look no further than boxers. Obviously their place in the game is still controversial, but now more than ever these dudes know what they're getting themselves into -- if they're not skill players then they're choosing a risky path. At least the awareness is there now to treat these dudes and make sure they don't play through it. Dirty hits are another story, but they aren't sanctioned by the game at all, and the biggest problem was the choice to play through concussion symptoms that caused serious medical concerns, and I'm pretty sure that's impossible now with all the league monitoring. I doubt any NHL player will play through 5+ concussions any more, like back in the Lindros days.
Hockey's definitely not perfect though. I felt serious discomfort watching one of the Flyers-Penguins games that just degenerated into one gooney play and cheap shot after another.
Pro football's pretty fucked though. A football lineman takes dozens of hits to the head every time he steps on the field. They're sub-concussive, but they add up to major brain degeneration. I mean, Junior Seau played 19 years of NFL, plus college, plus high school. That's a lot of fucking punishment for one guy's brain. The three-point stance is fucking a lot of people up, because there's just no way of avoiding those collisions. It's such a fundamental part of the game that there's not much you can do short of major changes to the rules. Plus then there's the whole issue with NFL contracts where talented players can get seriously injured and just have their contracts thrown out, with no real support network for their broken post-football lives.
I'm really glad to hear about the players suing the league, and the number of articles I've read considering whether kids should be playing a sport with such lasting consequences. Maybe there'll be a way to make the game a little more ethical, but progress will be slow.
Also, this is a great, but depressing read regarding NFL players and concussions: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/19/091019fa_fact_gladwell (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/19/091019fa_fact_gladwell)
That?s football. You?re told either that you?re hurt or that you?re injured. There is no middle ground. If you are hurt, you can play. If you are injured, you can?t, and the line is whether you can walk and if you can put on a helmet and pads.
?There is something wrong with this group as a cohort,? Omalu says. ?They forget things. They have slurred speech. I have had an N.F.L. player come up to me at a funeral and tell me he can?t find his way home. I have wives who call me and say, ?My husband was a very good man. Now he drinks all the time. I don?t know why his behavior changed.? I have wives call me and say, ?My husband was a nice guy. Now he?s getting abusive.? I had someone call me and say, ?My husband went back to law school after football and became a lawyer. Now he can?t do his job. People are suing him.? ?
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Agreed. Football places violence as a necessary part of the game, not a side show, and the hits are harder. The only sports that compare are boxing and MMA.
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Agreed. Football places violence as a necessary part of the game, not a side show, and the hits are harder. The only sports that compare are boxing and MMA.
I posted that article on fighting, which probably wasn't the best example. The NHL has far more concussions than they'd like as well, and not just in 'enforcer' type dudes. I don't really feel like digging up better articles to make better points, but if you breeze through this it should illustrate the fact that the NHL is pretty gnarly too:
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/12/16/2639514/nhl-concussions-chris-pronger-sidney-crosby-prevention (http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/12/16/2639514/nhl-concussions-chris-pronger-sidney-crosby-prevention)
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rob drydek should ban sacking from street league so that those brave skateboarder's boners can enjoy a full and happy life.
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There has been a lot of talk in the media about whether a legitimate ban for fighting (issuing suspension and monetary damages, etc. as opposed to minor in-game penalties,) this sums shit up pretty well:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2012/04/hockey-violence-blackhawks.html?mbid=social_mobile_FBshare&t=Violence+in+Hockey+%3A+The+New+Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2012/04/hockey-violence-blackhawks.html?mbid=social_mobile_FBshare&t=Violence+in+Hockey+%3A+The+New+Yorker)
It should be pretty obvious from my other post that I agree with the author's core point about the state of the game, but that is the most asinine New Yorker article I've ever read.