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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-1?utm_source=vicefbus (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-1?utm_source=vicefbus)
This could shape up to be the best series yet. All of that old footage was rad.
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That was sick. This is going to be good. I think its weird that O'dell said Koston is up there with Reynolds. A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but as sick as Reynolds is, Koston is on another level.
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this was the shortest 10 minute clip ever.
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That was sick. This is going to be good. I think its weird that O'dell said Koston is up there with Reynolds. A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but as sick as Reynolds is, Koston is on another level.
Koston is the first guy that comes to any skater's mind when someone says "legend" or "street skater.
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I guess O'dell has his biases. But to not put Koston at the top of the list is pretty strange.
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That was sick. This is going to be good. I think its weird that O'dell said Koston is up there with Reynolds. A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but as sick as Reynolds is, Koston is on another level.
I was thinking the same.
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That was sick. This is going to be good. I think its weird that O'dell said Koston is up there with Reynolds. A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but as sick as Reynolds is, Koston is on another level.
Yeah, if anything Reynolds doesn't really belong in a list with Hawk, Gonzales, Mullen. He's a good skater but not much of an innovator.
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I think Pat was just trying to relate to his audience. Some times you gotta dumb it down a little. It's like if he was trying to explain Koston to basketball fans, he'd compare him to Michael Jordan or whatever.
Nice thread Title. Needs more "Koston" in it though...
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Hopefully this gets on Youtube soon. My iPod doesn't cooperate well with the Vice site.
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That was sick. This is going to be good. I think its weird that O'dell said Koston is up there with Reynolds. A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but as sick as Reynolds is, Koston is on another level.
i agree, koston is on another level. not taking anything away from reynolds, but hes no koston.
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Nice thread
ATMurrell stealing my thunder! I posted this last night, but in the Photos/Videos thread. But it just dawned on me that most of these get posted here.
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Reynolds and Koston are two different personalities, but I would think that more skaters could relate to an Andrew Reynolds type. I don't know if Reynolds went to skate camp, but that shit is lame in my eyes. Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either. Most people do ride the jock of some sports franchise, so maybe that's why more longevity based skaters "root" for Eric Koston. I think the dude seems like a jock and a jerk. Hell, I would be lying if I said that I didn't dig Koston when I was growing up, but I've seen what he was, has become and seems to be and I don't like it. The basketball shoes and the complete dick suck for some basketball team solidify my point. Fuck, I might be going overboard here, but I think Reynolds personifies skateboarding to a much higher degree. My argument may be full of holes, but I just knocked back a couple of cold ones after work and I need to skate! Much love for all skaters, but discussion promotes progression.
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That was sick. This is going to be good. I think its weird that O'dell said Koston is up there with Reynolds. A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but as sick as Reynolds is, Koston is on another level.
I used to think the same thing. Even though I had seen the end and had some of his ridiculous Birdhouse ads on my wall as a youngster, it always seemed like Koston was not only more technical, but he also skated some pretty big stuff. Then I saw some of Reynolds old contest footage and I was like, oh wait he is on his own level, as is Koston. Then you factor in the fact that Koston is now getting a bit old, and while extremely good, has lost some of his momentum. Reynolds on the other hand is really as strong as ever. They both the same amount of talent and drive. Each of their trick selections is equally respectable by the skateboard community as a whole. One could argue that Koston has more coordination or control, but I still back and forth on what that means, exactly.
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O'dell mainly brought up reynolds cuz he sees him as the best street skater ever. If anything its to keep his word.
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Koston, Reynolds, Rowley! If they were somehow the only three "Street Skaters" left I wouldn't complain.
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im more of a reynolds kind of guy, but i can enjoy some koston on a hot summer day
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I don't know. Koston is an amazing skater. One of the best ever but the dude's personality doesn't sit well with me. I wouldn't want to hang out with the guy and I think his whole story is a little bit boring but I will watch the episodes just to see him doing more skating and hoping that this show changes my mind. Like they said though, I don't know much about Koston besides he is half Thai and a sick skater.
In regards to Reynolds vs Koston, they would be on the same list for sure as most influential skaters of all time BUT I would prefer to watch any Reynolds part over any Koston part any day. He is just that much more stylish in all regards of life.
Patrick O'Dell should be given a medal of merit from the skate community in recognition of how fucking sick Epicly Later'd is. I salute you, you mono browed, slow talking hipster.
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Who's the guy second from the right at 7:00? It looks exactly like me.
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good first episode, the series will me amazing
nice to see t.ferg
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Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either.
That was Eddie E's driveway but those were just the times. Not some silver spoon bullshit. Everyone I skated with would just go raid construction sites and build shit, it was a carry over from the jump ramp era.
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Damn, better at 14 than I'll ever be. I guess that's true of pretty much every pro, but his young dude footage was particularly impressive.
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Reynolds is definitely in the same league as Koston. He's only a couple years younger than Koston, I think. Koston was more innovative with tech but could go big. Reynolds is the opposite, goes big but can get tech. Strange but I think Reynolds might have a bit more top of the game longevity. He's lost a step but Koston is one of the best that has ever done it.
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i dont want to get caught up in this stupid debate, but how has he lost a step? his fully flared part was amazing, totally on par with menikmati or yeah right. he is a major video part guy, not someone who releases a lot of throwaway internet footage. wait till really sweet comes out before you write him off.
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i dont want to get caught up in this stupid debate, but how has he lost a step? his fully flared part was amazing, totally on par with menikmati or yeah right. he is a major video part guy, not someone who releases a lot of throwaway internet footage. wait till pretty sweet comes out before you write him off.
Totally back you up with that. No matter how much of a kook he's been acting or portraying to be, stand alone hating on Frosty is just not right. His skating for decades have spoken for itself. I really can't wait for the Girl video. Sucks to know that his time is nearing end already.
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I don't know. Koston is an amazing skater. One of the best ever but the dude's personality doesn't sit well with me. I wouldn't want to hang out with the guy and I think his whole story is a little bit boring but I will watch the episodes just to see him doing more skating and hoping that this show changes my mind. Like they said though, I don't know much about Koston besides he is half Thai and a sick skater.
In regards to Reynolds vs Koston, they would be on the same list for sure as most influential skaters of all time BUT I would prefer to watch any Reynolds part over any Koston part any day. He is just that much more stylish in all regards of life.
Patrick O'Dell should be given a medal of merit from the skate community in recognition of how fucking sick Epicly Later'd is. I salute you, you mono browed, slow talking hipster.
you mean everything but actually riding a skateboard..in no frame of mind/perogative could anyone think reynolds has better style than koston, just saying
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i dont want to get caught up in this stupid debate, but how has he lost a step? his fully flared part was amazing, totally on par with menikmati or yeah right. he is a major video part guy, not someone who releases a lot of throwaway internet footage. wait till really sweet comes out before you write him off.
i dont think his fully flared part was anywhere as near as good as his other parts, all the best clips in that part were the really old ones too. im sure his part in pretty sweet will be great though
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There is no hate here. Just preference. Also, we all get old. No biggie. I don't think that Fully Flared is on par Menikmati. That eS vid was the peak. Though his next five parts will still kill and be better than most. And I don't think that his Pretty Sweet part will be better than Reynolds Stay Gold. That's just what I think. You'll think differently, hopefully. ;D
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There is no hate here. Just preference. Also, we all get old. No biggie. I don't think that Fully Flared is on par Menikmati. That eS vid was the peak. [b
]Though his next five parts will still kill and be better than most. [/b]And I don't think that his Pretty Sweet part will be better than Reynolds Stay Gold. That's just what I think. You'll think differently, hopefully. ;D
I sure hope there are at least 5 more.
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Someone says 2 names in the wrong order and the skate-dorks commence to argue as if the dude really meant something by it. Blah.
Koston's part in Next Generation is when I really stood up and took notice. Never jocked Koston but nobody, even those with drastically styles and lifestyles have always recognized that he's been one of the best skaters in the world for longer than some of you guys have been alive. Most of us would be thrilled to do a switch boardslide backside bigspin nowadays, that 20+ year old clip alone sufficiently sums up Koston's impact on skating and how ahead of the times he's always been.
El Gato... Man, that's a name that used to be everywhere and just disappeared. Ironic that Koston was at the forefront of the progression that made skaters like Eddie Elguera obsolete as professionals.
Eager to see the next episode.
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Eddie was the Koston of his era......What? At least my comparison is accurate....
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Reynolds and Koston are two different personalities, but I would think that more skaters could relate to an Andrew Reynolds type. I don't know if Reynolds went to skate camp, but that shit is lame in my eyes. Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either. Most people do ride the jock of some sports franchise, so maybe that's why more longevity based skaters "root" for Eric Koston. I think the dude seems like a jock and a jerk. Hell, I would be lying if I said that I didn't dig Koston when I was growing up, but I've seen what he was, has become and seems to be and I don't like it. The basketball shoes and the complete dick suck for some basketball team solidify my point. Fuck, I might be going overboard here, but I think Reynolds personifies skateboarding to a much higher degree. My argument may be full of holes, but I just knocked back a couple of cold ones after work and I need to skate! Much love for all skaters, but discussion promotes progression.
The only thing that you're promoting is an unhealthy disdain for interests outside of skateboarding. Just because someone is a sports fan and likes shoes other than skate shoes doesn't mean anything. You're one of the super hard edged "core" dudes I'm sure. The fact is that this close-mindedness is plaguing skateboarding and we need to learn that there is other shit in the world. I am a die-hard Cincinnati Reds fan, does that make me a jock? No. I played varsity soccer for 4 years in high school, does that make me a jock? No. Jock is more of a mentality than specific contributing factors. Koston did NOT grow up in a wealthy family as was illustrated here, you can build a quarter pipe pretty easily. He got extraordinarily lucky by meeting Eddie Elguera yes, but that doesn't mean Koston is unrelatable. I can relate to somethings Koston does more so than Andrew Reynolds and vice versa. Saying that you can't relate to someone because they like the Lakers and some basketball shoes means only one thing, that you cannot accept the fact that even pro skateboarders, the ones who get paid to skateboard as a career, may also have other interests than skateboarding.
Breath, and /rant
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Reynolds and Koston are two different personalities, but I would think that more skaters could relate to an Andrew Reynolds type. I don't know if Reynolds went to skate camp, but that shit is lame in my eyes. Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either. Most people do ride the jock of some sports franchise, so maybe that's why more longevity based skaters "root" for Eric Koston. I think the dude seems like a jock and a jerk. Hell, I would be lying if I said that I didn't dig Koston when I was growing up, but I've seen what he was, has become and seems to be and I don't like it. The basketball shoes and the complete dick suck for some basketball team solidify my point. Fuck, I might be going overboard here, but I think Reynolds personifies skateboarding to a much higher degree. My argument may be full of holes, but I just knocked back a couple of cold ones after work and I need to skate! Much love for all skaters, but discussion promotes progression.
Breath, and /rant
Agreed, pancakes.
It's just sports, I don't get why you would make a big deal out of that. Let Koston fan out on his favorite teams, does that affect his skating? No.
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Its apples to oranges. Thats pretty much it, both are amazing at what they do.
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Its apples to oranges. Thats pretty much it, both are amazing at what they do.
Thats it, thats all.
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Just going to leave my favorite Koston part here
Eric Koston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8HwBfPdaM#)
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if you cant tell which dude is more talented at operating a skateboard, you haven't really been around that long. start watching videos in the early 90s and work your way up until the present day. pay specific attention to what types of tricks are done, and also take into account who skated more diverse terrain.
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Holy shit, did you see all the books Koston had on his shelves?
The dude sucks and is so not core. How could he have Truman Capote's In Cold Blood on his shelf!
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wooow. Haha. Reynolds is definitely up on that same "level" but for other reasons. Hes basically going bigger and getting better as hes aged and its the exact opposite with koston. In 2012 when i think of pinnacle gap skating i think of reynolds. Koston hasnt been "that guy" since yeah right dropped. i could definitely say the same for rails and for ledges too. Koston is still legendary its just not the same in 2012. Koston was the first dude to really have that kill-everything style. You cant have your p rods shane oniells torey or cory kennedys without him. Thats the koston style. Destroy all with the craziest shit.
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Pretty much agree with Gino starting at 0:52 in this
Nike SB Transmit: Gino Iannucci, part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJW1JgP-X0#ws)
I like Reynold's and Koston.
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they are both up there, koston has set thestandard for soo much skating, ledges, rails, gaps and manuals, pretty much most modern street skating, reynolds is gap and stair skting, nobody touches his longevity. They are both up there, but they are different skates, with differnt styles
dont makes this a debate of who is better because o'dell didnt roll it off his tounge perfectly. they both rule.
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They are both really different in every aspect - however, who i can actually imagine skating with Reynolds and being covered in dirt, sweating, bleeding, sitting on the curb laughing about slamming and having fun and not taking it seriously and just being stoked on actually skating - rather than, "well jobs done, off home for a new outfit
I know that's just the "style" and personality of individuals - but Reynolds comes over as a "skaters" skater, still with that element of "grem" being stoked on anything skate related - blue collar, working at it, if you will
Koston on the other hand gives me that white collar mentality of this is my job, and i'll do it well, but once this shift is done, i'll get a latte, then golf for an hour, rather than, skate till i'm broken, then go home and watch some skate vids
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Reynolds and Koston are two different personalities, but I would think that more skaters could relate to an Andrew Reynolds type. I don't know if Reynolds went to skate camp, but that shit is lame in my eyes. Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either. Most people do ride the jock of some sports franchise, so maybe that's why more longevity based skaters "root" for Eric Koston. I think the dude seems like a jock and a jerk. Hell, I would be lying if I said that I didn't dig Koston when I was growing up, but I've seen what he was, has become and seems to be and I don't like it. The basketball shoes and the complete dick suck for some basketball team solidify my point. Fuck, I might be going overboard here, but I think Reynolds personifies skateboarding to a much higher degree. My argument may be full of holes, but I just knocked back a couple of cold ones after work and I need to skate! Much love for all skaters, but discussion promotes progression.
Breath, and /rant
i don't want to make to big a presumtion here but it might be a generation thing. i also felt the same way about koston for a long time because i grew up in the era where skaters were mostly outcast from broken homes who where harassed and bullied by jocks. it's not some far fetched thing to be put off by skaters that are into sports in the same way it's not to much of a stretch to not like casper for having a rollerblade background. it's the same kind of logic just applied in a different way. in my world view, basebal is lamer than rollerblading, especially just sitting around watching it in a sports bar with the bros. i can't imagine a more annoying and boring experience for me personally. one of my most awkward experiences professionally was backing out of a company event where they wanted to bring the whole team to an astros game. i created awkwardness at my job because i dislike baseball and the whole jock vibe that much. but i'm sure there are plenty of people who feel the same way about the artistic skaterboarder, pile, stoney, etc... shit's really diverse now and we all have our prerferences. but i think it's a bit of a reach to try and discount these type of preferences as being shallow as most skaters hold them in one way or another.
that said, koston won me over with his fully flared part. bringing PE back that way gives you a jock pass in my book. it was honestly my favorite part in fully flared. and i'd guess that by the end of the series i'll realize that i missed out on some really interesting skating because i was so put off by the jockish aspects of koston's personality.
Eric Koston - Fully Flared - Lakai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92q_f6e1hzM#)
part still gets me hyped and i really wasn't a fan of fully flared.
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I guess its all about perspective. If we're talking about who is more bro/jock/macho or whatever, I see Reynolds as being way more of the captain of the frat house than Eric who I see as more of just a normal nerdy skate dude. I've never met either of them though.
If we're talking about skating. Just check Koston's resume. I'd probably say he is the greatest all-around skater of all time. To use the analogy someone else did, he is the Micheal Jordan of skating.
Reynold's is great too. Got one of the best styles of all time. One of, if not the best, at jumping down stuff.
Normally, I'm not into these type of comparisons but when you're comparing someone who has everything and did it all first, to someone who has great style and is the best at a certain kind of skating, the outcome seems kinda obvious...
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one of my most awkward experiences professionally was backing out of a company event where they wanted to bring the whole team to an astros game.
(http://i.minus.com/ijyVmb1nvlzlc.gif)
the nerve of some people!
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the nerve of me or the nerve of them?
imagine getting invited to a company event where you need to meet up at 3pm and then wont get back till 9pm and you are all going to the ballet (or some other lame ass activity that you would hate sitting through). that's a big chunk of your off time dedicated to something you don't enjoy.
but the point is that not everyone likes sports and there nothing wrong with thinking that shits lame. just like there's nothing wrong with thinking rollerbladding and scooters are lame activites.
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i dont like baseball at all, but if my employer wants to take me to a mlb game on their dime, you're damn skippy i'll be there
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Yeah, but it was a free Astros game.
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i would only go if it were a giants game and i would even wear my giants hat
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having no interests outside of skating is cool when your ten, people get older and care less what people like half the dudes on these forums think...ARSENAL F.C all day
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The jock thing is irrelevant.
I'd put Creager, Daewon, Wray and Koston way above Reynolds. I suppose it is all an opinion but I can't really see it. He seems behind Kirchart too in the style of skating he is known for.
I know it's apples and oranges, but seriously, your orange isn't even in the same grocery store.
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wray and creager above reynolds?
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/128/379/1306720430001.gif)
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Wray was the Reynolds of his time. Skateboarding was a lot smaller, so the superstardom wasn't the same... but in terms of progression and being "that guy", Wray is for sure right up there with Reynolds, and maybe above in some peoples eyes. But that would also be largely attributed to the generation gap.
Just pointing that out for the sake of pointing it out, though. I'm not saying who is where on some list... can't really have a bad word to say about any of these guys.
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having no interests outside of skating is cool when your ten, people get older and care less what people like half the dudes on these forums think...ARSENAL F.C all day
i don't think anyone thinks that you shouldn't have any interests outside of skating but i think we all bring some preconcieved ideas to the table when you find out about someones hobbies. your going to get a different mental picture from someone whose into theather than you would from someone who likes football. imagine going to dinner and that's all you have to go on about your wife's friends husband, they like X. you'd come in with some ideas about what your getting into. it's silly to pretend that those associations don't exist or that you are somehow above them. and at least at my age, i rarely find myself hanging out with guys either at work or outside of work who are in the golf, american sports, hunting group. that's, generally speaking, the business side of the house (good old boys, managers and sales guys) and not the side that i work on. you find socer, rugby, hockey, ect... on my side but just not the ones i listed. it's not like i'm vibing, i'm just not into it the same way that they aren't into skating.
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So where do you guys put Heath in this whole picture? Heath is one of those skaters that never gets hated on but I always found him way below all "the legends" or at least Koston and Reynolds. I even like the old Flip riders more then Heath but I wouldn't go as far as saying Apples or Arto are legends. Maybe Rowley but that's just my opinion anyways.
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where's the like button out this bitch?
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Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either.
That was Eddie E's driveway but those were just the times. Not some silver spoon bullshit. Everyone I skated with would just go raid construction sites and build shit, it was a carry over from the jump ramp era.
Yeah, building a little quarterpipe is super inexpensive
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So where do you guys put Heath in this whole picture? Heath is one of those skaters that never gets hated on but I always found him way below all "the legends" or at least Koston and Reynolds. I even like the old Flip riders more then Heath but I wouldn't go as far as saying Apples or Arto are legends. Maybe Rowley but that's just my opinion anyways.
Good point. I think it's hard to separate skaters like Heath, Arto, Reynolds, Rowley and Appleyard...but when you look at Koston he can just skate any way he wants. Koston is the original "complete" street skater. They are all legends though.
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Koston's footy for fully flared was anything but old as far as I remember. Didn't he get on the team just a few months before the video came out and throw together a lot of amazing footage in the last minute? That epicly later'd with him trying the fakie 360 flip lipslide was nutty.
I guess its all about perspective. If we're talking about who is more bro/jock/macho or whatever, I see Reynolds as being way more of the captain of the frat house than Eric who I see as more of just a normal nerdy skate dude. I've never met either of them though.
If we're talking about skating. Just check Koston's resume. I'd probably say he is the greatest all-around skater of all time. To use the analogy someone else did, he is the Micheal Jordan of skating.
Reynold's is great too. Got one of the best styles of all time. One of, if not the best, at jumping down stuff.
Normally, I'm not into these type of comparisons but when you're comparing someone who has everything and did it all first, to someone who has great style and is the best at a certain kind of skating, the outcome seems kinda obvious...
I agree with this fully. The dude did a tailgrab 540 on vert! He basically kills everything in every way.
The way you can really tell how sick he is at skating is by looking at his "goofing around" footage and photos, almost all of which I could never even dream of doing on my best day.
Exhibit A:
Eric Koston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8HwBfPdaM#)
Also, as subjective as style is, I love Koston's style, its all energetic and playful looking, kind of the opposite of the robot look without being sloppy at the same time.
Did anybody see the Oakley ad at the beginning and think "Oakley: wear these glasses, fall on yo' asses"
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Most people don't grow up with a quarter pipe in their driveway (at least no one had one where I grew up) and it doesn't seem like Reynolds did either.
That was Eddie E's driveway but those were just the times. Not some silver spoon bullshit. Everyone I skated with would just go raid construction sites and build shit, it was a carry over from the jump ramp era.
Yeah, building a little quarterpipe is super inexpensive
Its free if you do as he said, raid construction sites which pretty much every skater have done at some point in their lifes
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So where do you guys put Heath in this whole picture? Heath is one of those skaters that never gets hated on but I always found him way below all "the legends" or at least Koston and Reynolds. I even like the old Flip riders more then Heath but I wouldn't go as far as saying Apples or Arto are legends. Maybe Rowley but that's just my opinion anyways.
Good point. I think it's hard to separate skaters like Heath, Arto, Reynolds, Rowley and Appleyard...but when you look at Koston he can just skate any way he wants. Koston is the original "complete" street skater. They are all legends though.
I suppose a lot of this is timing. I'd put people like Daewon, Creager and Wray in a different bracket to Reynolds because they did a lot of things which had never been done and really helped define street skating. Kirchart too was the first to really push the envelope (flipping into rails etc).
Reynolds just carried on from what Penny and Wray started.
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Wray, Markovich, Hensley way before Reynolds.
And, Natas above almost all others. Not sure why Patrick didn't mention him.
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Dont see Reynolds on that list.
Koston is in the company of few.
Odell is doing an amazing job already.
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Heath was not even close to the first person to flip onto a handrail.
The guys who I think of as pushing the envelope into gnarly territory are Frankie Hill and Pat Duffy.
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Its funny that you mention fully flared as the one that got you hyped on him because thats the video that made me stop thinking he was the best shit ever. I used to be hyped on everything he put out and i was expecting last part but...the part was good but not the over-the-topness that yeah right was. I still think hes good just not the best anymore.
What makes Reynolds legendary is that hes just hitting his stride now. He skated two 5 blocks IN A LINE for his shake junt part. No one does that. While others are succumbing to verting out hes still skating the biggest gaps. He basically helped define a genre of skateboarding through his whole career the way koston did his genre. Whether you like gap skating isnt the issue, the point is that is what Reynolds did and is doing now.
heaths skated the biggest genre defining rails and hubbas with the best style. hes a legend the way gino is. Dude just has the best style. To say heath isnt a legend is to also say gino isnt either.
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Koston's genre? you mean street skating?
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Heaths probably one of Andrews favourite skaters...
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Koston's genre? you mean street skating?
As in having to skate everything in a video part instead of selecting content.
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Koston's genre? you mean street skating?
As in having to skate everything in a video part instead of selecting content.
That's a really really funny way to try to negatively frame somebody being well-rounded in comparison to somebody who isn't.
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I like Reynolds, Koston, and baseball.
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Koston's genre? you mean street skating?
As in having to skate everything in a video part instead of selecting content.
Im not negatively framing anything...its a style of skating. The obvious successor of it is p.rod. He can sw back noseblunt and switch flip switch backlip legit rails and can also do the insanest ledge tricks ever. Theres nothing wrong with that.
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but you make it seem like his all around skill is incomparable to somebody who's skill isn't as well rounded.
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Heath was not even close to the first person to flip onto a handrail.
The guys who I think of as pushing the envelope into gnarly territory are Frankie Hill and Pat Duffy.
His kickflip front board was the first I remember on a big rail. Duffy would be in there. Who was the first to flip in to a decent sized rail?
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How is a 6 stair rail big?
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How is a 6 stair rail big?
In my memory it seems pretty big, but I wasn't counting the stairs at the time.
Who was the first to flip onto a proper rail though? There is no need to get all defensive. This isn't a test.
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sal barbier , 89. kf back boardslide.
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Eric Koston - The Chocolate Tour - 1999 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECJ4cUG6U3s#)
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someone post his menikmati part
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ya'll complicate the hell out of this shit...
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It's bullshit O'dell didn't mention Jay Adams or Alan Gelfand as legends, because ya know without those dudes Koston wouldn't be doin' his magic flip tailgrind reverts or whatever.
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Haha calm down guys. He just mentioned a few dudes off the top of his head. It's not like he was prefacing the episode with "Patrick O'dell's Top 10 Legends". He just threw some names out.
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I'm pissed he didn't say Dan Gesmer, that dude was a trailblazer.
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Koston's genre? you mean street skating?
As in having to skate everything in a video part instead of selecting content.
Im not negatively framing anything...its a style of skating. The obvious successor of it is p.rod. He can sw back noseblunt and switch flip switch backlip legit rails and can also do the insanest ledge tricks ever. Theres nothing wrong with that.
Check his old H-Street parts. He can also pull 540s on vert and insane shit on mini ramps.
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Koston's archival footage in this was amazing. Dude was already on his way to be in the list of greats.
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i feel kinda stupid chiming in on this but....
i think koston is above reynolds in natural ability like you could ask him to do a trick he's never done and be able to figure it out in 5 minutes and do it. where as reynolds is better at taking what he already knows to super gnarly stuff. i could be way off though
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i feel kinda stupid chiming in on this but....
i think koston is above reynolds in natural ability like you could ask him to do a trick he's never done and be able to figure it out in 5 minutes and do it. where as reynolds is better at taking what he already knows to super gnarly stuff. i could be way off though
Yeah, I would say Koston just gets in the van and goes out with the crew when filming a video part where Reynolds has more of an idea for how he wants his part to look that he then goes out and tries to create. Its like abstract art versus conceptual. Maybe you have a preference, but both are sick, and trying to hate on either is just going full person.
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i feel kinda stupid chiming in on this but....
i think koston is above reynolds in natural ability like you could ask him to do a trick he's never done and be able to figure it out in 5 minutes and do it. where as reynolds is better at taking what he already knows to super gnarly stuff. i could be way off though
Yeah, I would say Koston just gets in the van and goes out with the crew when filming a video part where Reynolds has more of an idea for how he wants his part to look that he then goes out and tries to create. Its like abstract art versus conceptual. Maybe you have a preference, but both are sick, and trying to hate on either is just going full person.
I don't think that was what people were talking about. It was more the placement in the "Skate Board Hall of Fame."
Silly, I know but less silly than SOTY.
I think context is everything here really.
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I hope nobody is taking this argument too seriously. I feel like innocent arguments like these were all they hoped would happen when they decided to add a messageboard to a little corner of Slap magazine's webpage
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Haha calm down guys. He just mentioned a few dudes off the top of his head. It's not like he was prefacing the episode with "Patrick O'dell's Top 10 Legends". He just threw some names out.
This. Some of these comments on some foo foo wham wham shit.
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Haha calm down guys. He just mentioned a few dudes off the top of his head. It's not like he was prefacing the episode with "Patrick O'dell's Top 10 Legends". He just threw some names out.
I don't think anyone is claiming to be right here.
It was just the way O'Dell mentioned Hawk, Gonzales, D-Way, Rodney Mullen and then Reynolds. That's not really just throwing out some names, more like spot the odd one out.
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Koston - Legend
The Boss - Legend
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Reynolds may not have innovated to the same degree as some of the others mentioned but when one looks at the last 10-15 years of skateboarding reynolds is certainly one of the most influential dudes in terms of skateboarding culture what with piss drunx and baker originally and now his involvement in shake junt and and deathwish and shit that seems to be everywhere, I'm not saying i back that stuff but when you consider what skaters the average guy coming up in the last decade or so really looked up to or tried to emulate reynolds has to be mentioned.
I'm not saying skateboarding is about bullshit trendsetter fashion shit but reynolds has definitely earned his name on the list of "important" skaters in terms of skateboard culture as a whole and when you pair that level of cultural heft with how he has been aging like a fine fucking wine and still killing stuff he is for sure a legend...
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The Boss - Legend
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exactly. Apples and oranges. Different camps, different styles of street skating.
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Reynolds may not have innovated to the same degree as some of the others mentioned but when one looks at the last 10-15 years of skateboarding reynolds is certainly one of the most influential dudes in terms of skateboarding culture what with piss drunx and baker originally and now his involvement in shake junt and and deathwish and shit that seems to be everywhere, I'm not saying i back that? stuff but when you consider what skaters the average guy coming up in the last decade or so really looked up to or tried to emulate reynolds has to be mentioned.
I'm not saying skateboarding is about bullshit trendsetter fashion shit but reynolds has definitely earned his name on the list of "important" skaters in terms of skateboard culture as a whole and when you pair that level of cultural heft with how he has been aging like a fine fucking wine and still killing stuff he is for sure a legend...
seems to me that you could argue that reynolds contribution is doing things proper. koston and many other pros definitely do gnarly tricks with good style but reynolds to me seems to be the guy who really upped the bar on the idea of how you do the trick being as important as what you do.
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The Boss - Legend
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exactly. Apples and oranges. Different camps, different styles of street skating.
yeah, and I skate differently than both of them, by this sort of approach, you can't really say whether they are better or worse than me. By the obvious approach, Reynolds is a titan and Koston is a god.
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The Boss - Legend
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exactly. Apples and oranges. Different camps, different styles of street skating.
I agree. The apples and oranges argument misses the point a bit. This isn't really a matter of taste.
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The eras overlap.....but they are not the same.....compare the bodies of work in five years.....by then we won't give two shits.....
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The Boss - Legend
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exactly. Apples and oranges. Different camps, different styles of street skating.
I agree. The apples and oranges argument misses the point a bit. This isn't really a matter of taste.
well, I started skating in the mid-90?s, so Koston specially in the late 90?s, for me was like a god...seriouslly, he really stepped skating into another degree, but right now, Reynolds is amazing, specially seeing the evolution of that guy, in the 90?s he was good, but to be honest I didnt liked his style, but right now, he skates big, and he can get tech when he wants, and just look at his age, lengend, period.
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I think if Reynolds continues to skate the way he does as he gets older, he will become more of a legend. The thing with a lot of good skaters is they peak out and decline as they get older. You can see that with even a lot of the older pros now. Reynolds seems to be going bigger as he gets older.
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Darrin lee brings up a good point, what about tag teams?koston and daewon vs mullen and reynolds. Ladders and tables match
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no he doesn't. Also, the idea that Koston's skill in skating gaps is comparable to Reynolds tech abilities is laughable. Reynolds does tech tricks other tech dudes do just to show he can do that too, Koston switch heeled the Santa Monica triple set.
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Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
I highly doubt Reynolds is any more racist than the average person. If anything, he seems like the type to not give a shit about race.
I think personality matters to a certain degree. If you're not super nice or a giant asshole, it doesn't really matter but if your personality stands out positively/negatively more than the average skater, I guess you can factor that in?
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Classics: Eric Koston Mouse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75qILqf2eeE#)
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Am I the only one who actually prefers Koston once I got to glimpse at his personality, seems like one cool, funny dude. It strikes me that reynolds might take himself a little to seriously but Koston is always down to laugh at himself.
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Both of them ride skateboards pretty damn awesomely, and have for years. and both of their names will always be around in skating. Can we please just see some fucking tits or something?
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Am I the only one who actually prefers Koston once I got to glimpse at his personality, seems like one cool, funny dude. It strikes me that reynolds might take himself a little to seriously but Koston is always down to laugh at himself.
Yeah totally. I see Reynolds flipping out on social networks all the time. Definite sign of taking yourself too seriously.
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Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
I highly doubt Reynolds is any more racist than the average person. If anything, he seems like the type to not give a shit about race.
I think personality matters to a certain degree. If you're not super nice or a giant asshole, it doesn't really matter but if your personality stands out positively/negatively more than the average skater, I guess you can factor that in?
Gershon Mosley prefers Koston.
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Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.
man shut the fuck up white boy and fuck reynolds
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.?
is it difficult to be sensitive about race while being racist?
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It's rough being white in America, please be more sensitive. You don't understand the white experience
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When is the next one?
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When is the next one?
every tuesday?
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every tuesday?
Thursday
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Finally watched part 1 after being away. Koston is for sure my favourite skater of all time.
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But this is on right now.
DAN AND ABIGAIL
PEOPLE WHO JUST HAD SEX
And she likes to get punched in the face while fucking.
http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP (http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP)
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But this is on right now.
DAN AND ABIGAIL
PEOPLE WHO JUST HAD SEX
And she likes to get punched in the face while fucking.
http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP (http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP)
vice: epicly later'd, 3rd world country documentary type videos, and then videos of people who just had sex...
Not that I'm complaining, whatever you wanna watch, but talk about all over the place haha
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DAN AND ABIGAIL
PEOPLE WHO JUST HAD SEX
And she likes to get punched in the face while fucking.
http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP (http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP)
vice: epicly later'd, 3rd world country documentary type videos, and then videos of people who just had sex...
Not that I'm complaining, whatever you wanna watch, but talk about all over the place haha
I didn't watch the video you posted but a related video on that page was an old friend of mine going to a dog show on acid for the first time which gave me a good laugh
http://www.vice.com/shorties/shorties-the-westminster-dog-show-on-acid (http://www.vice.com/shorties/shorties-the-westminster-dog-show-on-acid)
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"Shot by Kern" is worth watching: a show that follows an artist/ photographer while he makes his challenging work that confronts notions of modern sexuality (a creepy old dude taking upskirt pics of 19 year old girls).
http://www.vice.com/shot-by-kern (http://www.vice.com/shot-by-kern)
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Dis 1 fo dat brawla mang.
http://www.vice.com/pornification/pornification-andy-san-dimas (http://www.vice.com/pornification/pornification-andy-san-dimas)
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This is a classic case of "slap will argue about absolutely anything given the slightest comparison between any two or more things"
Sorry. Let's stay on topic. What major world problems did we all come onto this site to solve?
None?
I guess everything we discuss on here is pointless and stupid. I guess if you have a problem with people debating pointless shit just for shits and giggles you shouldn't post here, and should get back to whatever major problem you were working on solving.
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I just now noticed this thread is titled Ericly Later'd
time for me to buy some glasses...
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Dis 1 fo dat brawla mang.
http://www.vice.com/pornification/pornification-andy-san-dimas (http://www.vice.com/pornification/pornification-andy-san-dimas)
HECK YEAH.
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I just now noticed this thread is titled Ericly Later'd
time for me to buy some glasses...
Yup, just spotted that too. Funny how you know what you see not what you read. That makes no sense but I know what I mean, kinda
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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-2 (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-2)
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.
Why do you all just not have Strike a Pose ignored by now? I don't even like seeing his bullshit in quotes..
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that footage is better than most pro's today, cant believe how good at tranny he was.
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Didn't he win one of the highest/biggest/longest tranny challenges on KOTR last time he was on it?
Also, was that Koston doing the 540 stalefish transfer? I feel like it couldn't be, but who even knows with him.
This is going to be like 40 parts or something
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Also, was that Koston doing the 540 stalefish transfer? I feel like it couldn't be, but who even knows with him.
For some reason I always thought that was Danny Mayer, but I guess I'm wrong on that one.
Glad they touched on the Plan B thing as I had always remembered something about him being a candidate for the team but Carroll shut it down.
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awesome. each episode could be over an hour and i would sit there like it was only 30 seconds.
Yep, exactly. This series is gonna be so good- hell, it already is.
Also- Alf's voice sounds like Obama's.
When did Alf become a super model / GQ cover boy , fucking hell
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awesome. each episode could be over an hour and i would sit there like it was only 30 seconds.
Yep, exactly. This series is gonna be so good- hell, it already is.
Also- Alf's voice sounds like Obama's.
When did Alf become a super model / GQ cover boy , fucking hell
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/medium/evol-skateboards-alphonzo-rawls-1994.jpg)
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/medium/droors-alphonzo-rawls-boxers-1995.jpg)
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-pat chanita yet again is a rad dude.
-erics transition skills blow minds
-eddie elgeura is rad
-alf looks like he's been takign good care of himself since professional skateboarding
sick sick sick, i want moar
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.
Why do you all just not have Strike a Pose ignored by now? I don't even like seeing his bullshit in quotes..
Hahaha
This is why I continue to keep it 100
Fakes can't handle the REALNESS
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non vice.com link needed as work doesn't like that shit
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Strike A Pose
Re: Ericly Later'd
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.
Why do you all just not have Strike a Pose ignored by now? I don't even like seeing his bullshit in quotes..
Hahaha
This is why I continue to keep it 100
Fakes can't handle the REALNESS
(http://j.wigflip.com/nvXWbDZn/roflbot.jpg)
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Was Guy saying "Mike Ternownsky"?
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Was Guy saying "Mike Ternownsky"?
I can't help but picture Ross from friends whenever Guy opens his mouth, sorry Guy!
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awesome. each episode could be over an hour and i would sit there like it was only 30 seconds.?
Yep, exactly.? This series is gonna be so good- hell, it already is.
Also- Alf's voice sounds like Obama's.
When did Alf become a super model / GQ cover boy , fucking hell
I follow him on Instagram and dude works out like a mad man benching like 300 lbs.
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It's up!
http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-2?utm_source=epiclyfb (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-2?utm_source=epiclyfb)
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hell yeah! crazy how well the dudes on this and the last page predicted what would be in it
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.
Why do you all just not have Strike a Pose ignored by now? I don't even like seeing his bullshit in quotes..
Hahaha
This is why I continue to keep it 100
Fakes can't handle the REALNESS
Point proven!
U weak!
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hell yeah! crazy how well the dudes on this and the last page predicted what would be in it
Hahahahaha. Mad cray.
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awesome. each episode could be over an hour and i would sit there like it was only 30 seconds.?
Yep, exactly.? This series is gonna be so good- hell, it already is.
Also- Alf's voice sounds like Obama's.
When did Alf become a super model / GQ cover boy , fucking hell
I follow him on Instagram and dude works out like a mad man benching like 300 lbs.
team handsome legends division?
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non vice.com link needed as work doesn't like that shit
thrasher site has it up and works with my firewall from hell.
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But this is on right now.
DAN AND ABIGAIL
PEOPLE WHO JUST HAD SEX
And she likes to get punched in the face while fucking.
http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP (http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP)
I'm 90% sure I've seen this girl in my neighborhood twice in the last two days.
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I Didn't Really Care: The Mike Carroll Story
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Alphonsos bigspin japan :o
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weird I never knew alphonso rawls was thai I always just thought he was african american.
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i'm diggin' the koston episodes so far......this could easily end up being 10+ episodes long.
pat channita is a legend, a young skater friend told me where his house was, so i knocked on his door back in 98' and he was down to come skate....super cool dude.
alfonzo is the style king, i wish he was still in the industry skating.
..........more dan peterka please!!!!!
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DAN AND ABIGAIL
PEOPLE WHO JUST HAD SEX
And she likes to get punched in the face while fucking.
http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP (http://www.vice.com/video#ooid=R4OWVkNTqpWhpC1r3DsVtgBVE74VRVOP)
I'm 90% sure I've seen this girl in my neighborhood twice in the last two days.
Grab her by the throat, punch her a few times whilst you try to fuck her. 90% chance of getting laid.
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awesome. each episode could be over an hour and i would sit there like it was only 30 seconds.
Yep, exactly. This series is gonna be so good- hell, it already is.
Also- Alf's voice sounds like Obama's.
I was thinking John Redcorn.
Was Guy saying "Mike Ternownsky"?
NEG REP HIM!
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weird I never knew alphonso rawls was thai I always just thought he was african american.
awww i'm so sorry i hurt your feelings. care enough to respond!?!?
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weird I never knew alphonso rawls was thai I always just thought he was african american.
Back in 89' I thought he was the only "black vert skater" other than Cookiehead Jenkins.
ponder away...
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weird I never knew alphonso rawls was thai I always just thought he was african american.
didn't you write paragraphs about how un-canadian mark appleyard is now?
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Now if only O'Dell could keep his greasy mug outta these. Good stuff as always, none-the-less.
edit How did yous guys not know I was a model (with this sexy bod and all)?
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Alphonso Rawls is black. He's thai and black.
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Alphonso Rawls is black. He's thai and black.
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I haven't had internet in a while, just watching part one now.
Am I the only one who was stoked to see The Germs artwork on his griptape from the old footage of him skating?
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I haven't had internet in a while, just watching part one now.
Am I the only one who was stoked to see The Germs artwork on his griptape from the old footage of him skating?
didnt notice it until you mentioned it,sick!
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i'm diggin' the koston episodes so far......this could easily end up being 10+ episodes long.
pat channita is a legend, a young skater friend told me where his house was, so i knocked on his door back in 98' and he was down to come skate....super cool dude.
alfonzo is the style king, i wish he was still in the industry skating.
..........more dan peterka please!!!!!
Alphonso still is in the industry, but he's doing shoe designs and whatnot.
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Does anyone else find O'Dell just that bit creepy ?
He's so smarmy (sp) i just don't like him or his style, the end results are good, but let hope he does just keep out of the program
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Does anyone else find O'Dell just that bit creepy ?
He's so smarmy (sp) i just don't like him or his style, the end results are good, but let hope he does just keep out of the program
Agreed. Something very creepy about a lazy-eyed hipster with a bunch of plaid shirts following people around taking candid photos.
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He's eccentric, and a little odd but who gives a shit. He's the brains behind this amazing series.
Most of you wouldn't know jack shit about Cardiel if it wasn't for O'dell.
I swear, some people just need a reason to bitch
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a bunch of plaid shirts
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He's eccentric, and a little odd but who gives a shit. He's the brains behind this amazing series.
Most of you wouldn't know jack shit about Cardiel if it wasn't for O'dell.
I swear, some people just need a reason to bitch
I think the "Don't Listen to that" boys got it spot on with the parody they did of O'Dell in London.
As for not knowing anything about Cardiel, if you've been skating more that 20 years you're going to know or have seen Cardiel skate - i think it's 20 years this month since him, Karma, Chapman, Gonz and co where over in the UK and he busted us having a cheeky wee smoke, then joined in and was all excited about getting a smoke from us
Anyway this isn't about Cardiel - it's about O'Dell being a creepy fucker - he's a creepy fucker !
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Yes, he's creepy, but his presence in the videos is minimal, so it's not that bad...
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1:27 is one of my favorite Crail Couch moments.
Patrick O'dell Crail Couch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89OmI09cjI#ws)
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lol @ grown man being scared of creepy O?Dell....you are all bunch of faggs!
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How does saying that he's creepy translate into being afraid of O'Dell and Epicly Laterd sucking? Y'all twist things worse than Bill O'Reilly.
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I find his voice kind of oddly calm at all times. Its like he's always talking to a crazy person that he doesn't want to get upset.
I love how in an era filled with hipsters, nobody is a hipster.
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I think considering who he interviews at times, being subtle and calm is a good thing. You just want to ask the questions and let the other person express what they have to say. Plus Epicly Later'd is edited so you hardly even hear from the guy, so I can't imagine gauging his personality from that. In that Crail Couch interivew, he seems like a totally different person since he's expressing some different emotions then he normally does.
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yeah judging his personality from the show is stupid. what i can tell from watching the show is that he works hard to make it interesting by tracking down the right people for interviews and featuring skaters/topics that people who have been skating for a while actually care about. it seems stupid to talk shit on a person who puts in the effort to make a show that is generally agreed to be awesome.
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O'Dell touches monkeys.
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O'Dell is not creepy. Bob, however...
http://instagram.com/p/NFrlqukCk3/ (http://instagram.com/p/NFrlqukCk3/)
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Wa-wai-wait. Did he say he front rocked the skatopia bowl? The deep end? Fully flapped back truck to the coping, or just hook the front wheels over the lip?
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O'Dell is not creepy. Bob, however...
http://instagram.com/p/NFrlqukCk3/ (http://instagram.com/p/NFrlqukCk3/)
Bob looks even creepier in person...
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it seems stupid to talk shit on a person who puts in the effort to make a show that is generally agreed to be awesome.
and he's one of the least embarrassing and most core personalities to emerge in skate media ever. seriously, who else has picked up the mic and not seemed douchy? rob brink is cool i guess. i don't really have the erica crush so would take o'dell over here. that bob guy is creepy as fuuuuu.
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Rob Brink and his brand of "journalism" is like an ambient sounds of the sea sleeping mix-tape for babies and grandmothers.
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what the fuck that picture of bob is seriously going to haunt me for at least a week, how can such a person even exist? this shit has got me livid!
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Rob Brink and his brand of "journalism" is like an ambient sounds of the sea sleeping mix-tape for babies and grandmothers.
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Versatility, technique, style, variety = Koston
Predictable, limited variety, stunt jumping, racism = Reynolds
Pretty lame to include Reynolds' "racism" that I fucking guarantee you've NEVER heard even fourth hand and then not include Koston's tired online "fuck your face" antics which we've all seen thanks to the internet.
How much should a pro's personality really figure in, anyway?
*sigh of disappointment*
G-MOS Xpoz'd Reynolds true "colors" a long time ago.
Koston's attitude isn't born out of racial hatred.
It's so strongly detrimental and degenerate bring race relations into any conflict unwarranted, and you suck at life for doing so.
Uh oh, we got ourselves a tough guy. Everyone get scared.
So awesomely hypocritical to be racially degrading in your response too. Instant ignore on the grounds of irreversible stupidity.
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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-2 (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-2)
That first line with all the little rails always stuck in my head and was the first time I ever really saw Koston, and the gap to lower-ledge back lip was one of my favorite tricks in the whole vid. Great part from a classic video and even though I never hardcore fanned out on Koston his part was really influential. Street, mini, vert, everything done well and tons of tricks I'd never seen before back in 1992.
The sign of a real skate dork: For some reason it kept bothering me that they repeatedly referred to "Next Generation" as "Next."
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how is patrick o'dell creepy in the slightest? not seeing it. also, fuck the word(s) "creepy/creeper"
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how is patrick o'dell creepy in the slightest? not seeing it. also, fuck the word(s) "creepy/creeper"
agreed, O?Dell seems\looks like a really normal dude.
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I don't mean creepy like he seems sleazy, I mean something is just odd about him. Like the way Mr. Rogers is kinda creepy.
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so, tomorrow a new Koston Ericly Later'd episode. HYPED!
btw, why does this thread doesnt has got Eric Koston in front of "Ericly Later'd" ? I know is Koston, but c�mon...
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so, tomorrow a new Koston Ericly Later'd episode. HYPED!
btw, why does this thread doesnt has got Eric Koston in front of "Ericly Later'd" ? I know is Koston, but c�mon...
That is an awesome sentence
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so, tomorrow a new Koston Ericly Later'd episode. HYPED!
btw, why does this thread doesnt has got Eric Koston in front of "Ericly Later'd" ? I know is Koston, but c�mon...
I gots stupider reading that.
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butt cum on.
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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-3 (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-3)
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butt cum on.
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I find it interesting how close Koston and Alf were (are?). Never realized that before. Speaking of Alfonso Rawls and EMB, isn't there some story about him there?
That switch 360 flip is still one of the best ones ever. Not because it was the biggest or cleanest, but because it is so memorable, especially the crazy way he caught it. The whole part was insane.
Has there ever been a super sick skater that was able to come up without being hated on super hard at first by everybody? Danny Way, Mike Carroll, Eric Koston, Paul Rodriguez, Nyjah (I don't include Sheckler on the list because he brought a lot of that hate on himself with the mtv shit). Sometimes its just too hard to believe somebody has it like that.
Next episode is going to be the start of girl one I bet. I know they have covered iit from a couple of angles, but its still one of the most interesting industry shake ups ever and its cool to hear first hand perspectives of it.
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Speaking of hating on Nyjah, just saw this. I guess he got it with his Street League money.
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amazing.
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Speaking of hating on Nyjah, just saw this. I guess he got it with his Street League money.
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In what universe is this even remotely cool?
Monumental Faggotry.
Rich kids with Instagram.
BTW Episode three ended way too quick.
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Speaking of hating on Nyjah, just saw this. I guess he got it with his Street League money.
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In what universe is this even remotely cool?
Monumental Faggotry.
Rich kids with Instagram.
BTW Episode three ended way too quick.
yup.
i cant fathom people spending money on a watch let alone that shit
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WHERE THE FUCK IS A JULIEN STRANGER EPISODE???
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PS: pre 90's shit is boring as fuck. We don't need to know where the fuck you grew up and shit; give us some controversial shit. This ain't the history channel my nigga.
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That diamond studded two-finger ring seems in pretty stark contrast to the Rastafari image of Nyjah's past.
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WHERE THE FUCK IS A JULIEN STRANGER EPISODE???
Yeah right - getting footage of him is hard enough let alone an episode !
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I find it interesting how close Koston and Alf were (are?). Never realized that before. Speaking of Alfonso Rawls and EMB, isn't there some story about him there?
That switch 360 flip is still one of the best ones ever. Not because it was the biggest or cleanest, but because it is so memorable, especially the crazy way he caught it. The whole part was insane.
Has there ever been a super sick skater that was able to come up without being hated on super hard at first by everybody? Danny Way, Mike Carroll, Eric Koston, Paul Rodriguez, Nyjah (I don't include Sheckler on the list because he brought a lot of that hate on himself with the mtv shit). Sometimes its just too hard to believe somebody has it like that.
Next episode is going to be the start of girl one I bet. I know they have covered iit from a couple of angles, but its still one of the most interesting industry shake ups ever and its cool to hear first hand perspectives of it.
I really hope they go deep into everyone bailing on Plan B at once. Always wanted more in depth on that.
Reynolds got some hate for trying to look and skate like Penny but no idea if it was a big thing or not.
Its a interesting thing going on here. We have episodes with one of skatings greatest and the discussion is more about Alphonso Rawls origin and O Dell...
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Penny was hated on too when he first came over from the states, and there was that comp at Radlands in '94 when a select group of US pro's were bagging on him. Carroll was one of the main perpetrators.
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That diamond studded two-finger ring seems in pretty stark contrast to the Rastafari image of Nyjah's past.
probably because he grew above the age of 12 and is now able to form his own opinions instead of his dads?
That ring is kinda rad hahaha it's not really too gangster since it looks like a tech deck. would wear
But back to Koston, it's funny how the "cool" kids hated on him but had to accept him since he was so good. Don't worry nerds, if your not cool just get really good at something and it will all work out.
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Penny was hated on too when he first came over from the states, and there was that comp at Radlands in '94 when a select group of US pro's were bagging on him. Carroll was one of the main perpetrators.
I used to really like Carroll ( which 90?s street skater doesnt ) but dude seems like a huge dick!
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Penny was hated on too when he first came over from the states, and there was that comp at Radlands in '94 when a select group of US pro's were bagging on him. Carroll was one of the main perpetrators.
I used to really like Carroll ( which 90?s street skater doesnt ) but dude seems like a huge dick!
I always thought that too. I got into skating way late and started watching videos when Menikmati came out. Didn't learn about the whole EMB thing till way later unfortunately so Mike Carroll was sort of under my radar. I really liked his Yeah Right part, so I started to really want to know who he is and I always thought his personality was a little craze. Koston has always been one of my favorites and always thought he was cool untill shit like The Berrics and Instagram came out. Of course never met either in person so I am sure I am prejudging them both.
On the other hand, I met Chico a couple of times and that dude is the nicest ever.
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lol at people thinking nyjah paid for that ring
he's rich enough now that he doesn't have to pay for shit anymore
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Nah Reynolds was kinda underground when he came up, He was always know as the Birdhouse am kid, I think a few people hated on him for being a little sloppy but he was still young. I think a lot of Reynolds growth got missed because Birdhouse didnt do a video for so long, so went from being a little kid to moving to cali and being amazing all under the radar. To me it seems like people just kinda forgot about him for a few years then all of the sudden he 's in HB killing shit. I think that footage of him in either the first Baker or Baker 2g in the beginning of his part is a part from a birdhouse video that never happened.
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lol at people thinking nyjah paid for that ring
he's rich enough now that he doesn't have to pay for shit anymore
I got those pics from Ben Baller's blog. I am at work so I can't go on his site but Mr. Baller did mention meeting Nyjah's mom or some shit like that. Even if Nyjah paid for it, that's like nothing compared to what he makes.
Here's the blog: http://ifandco.com/ (http://ifandco.com/)
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Nah Reynolds was kinda underground when he came up, He was always know as the Birdhouse am kid, I think a few people hated on him for being a little sloppy but he was still young. I think a lot of Reynolds growth got missed because Birdhouse didnt do a video for so long, so went from being a little kid to moving to cali and being amazing all under the radar. To me it seems like people just kinda forgot about him for a few years then all of the sudden he 's in HB killing shit. I think that footage of him in either the first Baker or Baker 2g in the beginning of his part is a part from a birdhouse video that never happened.
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How can having a part in the biggest budget high profile video of that era ('The End') count as being "kinda underground"?
I remember him being criticised for biting Penny's style, he just never quite had it though.
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He's talking about the period before The End came out. Reynolds was around for a while before that video. I had no idea who Reynolds was before the end came out, which is what made that part so good.
And really, people are just now finding out Mike Carroll was a dick as a kid? He was a notorious brat, the prince of EMB, he could do whatever the fuck he wanted and everybody wanted to be down with him as far as skateboarding went. Shit like that isn't good for a person's modesty.
Oh, and the classic hated on kid: Tony Hawk.
And it is funny how everybody thought Koston was a nerd, then they accepted him because he was so good. Skating is funny like that, within our culture, talent on a board consistently acts as a substitute for personality. Its not necessarily the worst thing, but it is something I've noticed throughout the years. If a kid rips, everybody wants to be down with him, no matter how much of a dork he might be.
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I tried to find that old Fourstar ad where someone had written "MIKE CARROLL IS A DICK" really big on the ground. If someone else knows where to find it, that would be pretty cool.
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I always thought his personality was a little craze.
Then you learned about Greg and realized that Mike is pretty mellow in comparison?
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Good question.� Was Reynolds hated on coming up?� This is not rhetorical,� I'm actually wondering.
I really hope they go deep into everyone bailing on Plan B at once.� Always wanted more in depth on that.
Nah Reynolds was kinda underground when he came up, He was always know as the Birdhouse am kid, I think a few people hated on him for being a little sloppy but he was still young. I think a lot of Reynolds growth got missed because Birdhouse didnt do a video for so long, so went from being a little kid to moving to cali and being amazing all under the radar. To me it seems like people just kinda forgot about him for a few years then all of the sudden he 's in HB killing shit. I think that footage of him in either the first Baker or Baker 2g in the beginning of his part is a part from a birdhouse video that never happened.
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I remember him being criticised for biting Penny's style, he just never quite had it though.
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I'm talking about the 5 year gap between Ravers and The End, cuz he lived in Florida forever most of his coverage was based on Birdhouse Videos. He occasionally had stuff in a mag or a 411, but he was just killing it in Florida the whole time then moved to Cali and blew up probably about a year before The End. So what im was saying is there was 3 year period where no one saw much of Andrew.
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Penny was hated on too when he first came over from the states, and there was that comp at Radlands in '94 when a select group of US pro's were bagging on him. Carroll was one of the main perpetrators.
I used to really like Carroll ( which 90?s street skater doesnt ) but dude seems like a huge dick!
I always thought that too. I got into skating way late and started watching videos when Menikmati came out. Didn't learn about the whole EMB thing till way later unfortunately so Mike Carroll was sort of under my radar. I really liked his Yeah Right part, so I started to really want to know who he is and I always thought his personality was a little craze. Koston has always been one of my favorites and always thought he was cool untill shit like The Berrics and Instagram came out. Of course never met either in person so I am sure I am prejudging them both.
On the other hand, I met Chico a couple of times and that dude is the nicest ever.
Watching Carrols epicly right now. A few minutes in they talk about how people used to hate on him and Greg
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I really hope they go deep into everyone bailing on Plan B at once.� Always wanted more in depth on that.
How can having a part in the biggest budget high profile video of that era ('The End') count as being "kinda underground"?
I remember him being criticised for biting Penny's style, he just never quite had it though.
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I'm talking about the 5 year gap between Ravers and The End, cuz he lived in Florida forever most of his coverage was based on Birdhouse Videos. He occasionally had stuff in a mag or a 411, but he was just killing it in Florida the whole time then moved to Cali and blew up probably about a year before The End. So what im was saying is there was 3 year period where no one saw much of Andrew.
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Sorry, misunderstood. Still, I wonder why Reynolds keeps on popping up? He shouldn't be sharing the same thread space. This Epicly is one of my favourites so far. Koston rips.
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Penny was hated on too when he first came over from the states, and there was that comp at Radlands in '94 when a select group of US pro's were bagging on him. Carroll was one of the main perpetrators.
I used to really like Carroll ( which 90?s street skater doesnt ) but dude seems like a huge dick!
Huh? That makes me like him way more. People are too fucking nice.
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So how much influence did koston really have? I never hear his name in a top 5 skaters list but ill consistently hear carroll or mariano. Was it basically a p-rod type of deal or what because thats the vibe im getting from this. I would always hear this refrain from people during the late 90s early 00s that he was "keeping skateboarding alive" by doing all those contests and corporate things. I never really questioned anything about him growing up or really wondered what was going on. He'd just always be around doing crazy tricks and that was that.
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So how much influence did koston really have? I never hear his name in a top 5 skaters list but ill consistently hear carroll or mariano. Was it basically a p-rod type of deal or what because thats the vibe im getting from this. I would always hear this refrain from people during the late 90s early 00s that he was "keeping skateboarding alive" by doing all those contests and corporate things. I never really questioned anything about him growing up or really wondered what was going on. He'd just always be around doing crazy tricks and that was that.
How To 360 Flip / Tre Flip with Tony Hawk and Eric Koston. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLw0FvkfhwI#)
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So how much influence did koston really have? I never hear his name in a top 5 skaters list but ill consistently hear carroll or mariano. Was it basically a p-rod type of deal or what because thats the vibe im getting from this. I would always hear this refrain from people during the late 90s early 00s that he was "keeping skateboarding alive" by doing all those contests and corporate things. I never really questioned anything about him growing up or really wondered what was going on. He'd just always be around doing crazy tricks and that was that.
all of koston's video part were unholy mindfucks, starting with falling down up to about menikmati. (yeah right and fully flared are dope too but i don't think he was quite as ahead of the rest of the game by that point).
people might not put him in their top fives, but growing up it seemed like the tricks koston would film would become really popular trick 2-3 years later. He's singlehandedly responsible for the nollie heel noseslide craze that ravaged america in the early 2000s.
I like p-rod but there's no comparison there for me.
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So how much influence did koston really have? I never hear his name in a top 5 skaters list but ill consistently hear carroll or mariano. Was it basically a p-rod type of deal or what because thats the vibe im getting from this. I would always hear this refrain from people during the late 90s early 00s that he was "keeping skateboarding alive" by doing all those contests and corporate things. I never really questioned anything about him growing up or really wondered what was going on. He'd just always be around doing crazy tricks and that was that.
He had/has a ton. The reason it might be hard to tell is because as soon as Koston does an NBD, everybody else bites it. Every Koston ender is the top of some other pro's trick list, and within a year or so, its everybody's ender. Even the fakie 360 flip in Fully flared, which based on the Epicly later'd was actually only his ender because he didn't get the fakie 360 flip lipslide (which is fucking insane), started showing up in a lot of people's parts as bangers/enders.
Also, have you seen the on video about hubba? At the time (when it got uncapped some really insane shit went down) it was considered the best thing done on one of the most popular spots ever. That cover was FUCKED. I remember seeing it the first time and completely being blown away. It was so amazing. I reacted probably the way a lot of people reacted to that cover of leo grinding up the rail. Complete shock and respect.
I've seen him in a bunch of top 5s, though honestly I think its because its too obvious of an answer. People tend to want their top 5 list to show their personal taste, so they avoid obvious answers.
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When I saw Koston do a nollie nosegrind down an 8 stair rail in 98 on the cover of Transworld I nearly lost it.
On the cover it said "KOSTON: Suitable Replacement For God?"
The legend of Koston was that HEAVY back in those days.
I remember kids at the skateshop going on and on about Koston and how good he was back then.
He was the king of NBDs
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Until very recently he was completely untouchable....nobody even close really. Winning comps, doing tours and demos and putting out legit street parts too, with mind melting enders EVERY TIME. Legend.
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I usually compare him to Chris Cole...
styles different but definitely get the similarities.
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So how much influence did koston really have? I never hear his name in a top 5 skaters list but ill consistently hear carroll or mariano. Was it basically a p-rod type of deal or what because thats the vibe im getting from this. I would always hear this refrain from people during the late 90s early 00s that he was "keeping skateboarding alive" by doing all those contests and corporate things. I never really questioned anything about him growing up or really wondered what was going on. He'd just always be around doing crazy tricks and that was that.
Also, have you seen the on video about hubba? At the time (when it got uncapped some really insane shit went down) it was considered the best thing done on one of the most popular spots ever. That cover was FUCKED. I remember seeing it the first time and completely being blown away. It was so amazing. I reacted probably the way a lot of people reacted to that cover of leo grinding up the rail. Complete shock and respect.
I've seen him in a bunch of top 5s, though honestly I think its because its too obvious of an answer. People tend to want their top 5 list to show their personal taste, so they avoid obvious answers.
Yeah it seems like it took people a little longer to realize the whole Koston deal, and i think that was because he didnt really come out till like a few years after all the other legends of that time frame. Mariano and Carroll were child stars in 90s skating, everyone knew Mariano from Blind and Carroll had already been in Hokus Pokus and Not the new H Street video. Nobody really knew Koston till Next Generation, and plus when he first got on 101 Kris Markovick was the featured pro on that company and Adam Mcnatt was theyre kinda childs star kid. I don't really think anyone realized how good Koston was until that second 101 video, i mean everyone knew he was good but yoy got 101 videos before that to see kris markovick. So i kinda feel like he was 2 years behind the curve of those dudes even if he was just as good, truthfully dudes like Carroll and Sanchez stuck out a more, even Mariano for that matter cuz they were skating exciting spots like EMB and downtown LA where as those early Koston videos he's skating a lot of random parking lots in San Diego. I think the point where people really realized how good Koston was, was his 411 part and the beginning of Girl Skateboards, the shit he was doing at the LA Courthouse was so much more advanced than anyone else at the the time. Thats when i realized how amazing that kid was, because no one else was anywhere near as good as him in that time frame. I also so him at the shut up and skate contest when girl first started and that dude switch 360 flip that pyramid like it was a fucking joke, and i was getting aggrivated cuz i couldnt ollie it that day with 44 mm wheels without deck checking.
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I'd say it was pretty obvious that he was one of the best skaters in the world when Next Generation came out. That part was and is ridiculous.
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He can do every single trick.
Manolo's Tapes: Eric Koston on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/23856749)
Manolo's Tapes: Eric Koston Extras on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/27473697)
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I'd say it was pretty obvious that he was one of the best skaters in the world when Next Generation came out. That part was and is ridiculous.
If not that then AT LEAST the 101 video. Everybody went nuts over that part. the switch 360 flip down the 7 was such a big deal. It would be ridiculous to say he only started being in the spotlight when girl came out. Girl was a team of skaters who were already in the spotlight. That was why girl was such a big deal
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And it is funny how everybody thought Koston was a nerd, then they accepted him because he was so good. Skating is funny like that, within our culture, talent on a board consistently acts as a substitute for personality. Its not necessarily the worst thing, but it is something I've noticed throughout the years. If a kid rips, everybody wants to be down with him, no matter how much of a dork he might be.
I disagree. one of the things i hate most about skating. in the end its not so bad because no one is forcing you to hang out with anyone, but the things certain people can get away with on the grounds of "he rips!" is awful. at least in a team sport, i could see you sucking it up for the benefit of the team
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I'm not saying its good at all. I just don't think its something to get worked up about. Its just funny to me how people manage to substitute a solid flick for a personality. I would imagine a person who gets all of their friends that way would have to be pretty awkward in the non-skate crowd.
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I always thought he was the reason everyone was trying to bs noseblunt, nollie crook and nollie heel noseslide 10-ish stair rails/hubbas around the early '00s.
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im probably a little younger than some of you (25) but to me the "legends" of the generation i grew up skating in are pretty much Koston, Reynolds, Heath, Rowley and Arto. I think Guy and Carroll were just a few years ahead of me. Growing up Koston was the guy who put out the absolute best parts (Menikmati, Yeah Right) and was definitely on the forefront of what was cool, or at least what would be cool the year after. The same can be said about Reynolds, just maybe for a different audience.
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Until very recently he was completely untouchable....nobody even close really. Winning comps, doing tours and demos and putting out legit street parts too, with mind melting enders EVERY TIME. Legend.
Prod with his Nike deal was the one who finally managed to castrate the Kost.
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I always thought he was the reason everyone was trying to bs noseblunt, nollie crook and nollie heel noseslide 10-ish stair rails/hubbas around the early '00s.
I remember thinking Chris Cole's 360 flip noseblunt down a rail in...was it dying to live? right after yeah right! was a total "I can do the Koston trick too!" moment
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^^ Someone else did it after Yeah Right!, at the same time as Chris Cole. I forget who. But In whatever magazine Coles was in, the other persons sequence was on the very next page.
I remember thinking the exact same thing, about "Well, Kostons doing it, I guess everyone has to too.".
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I remember when Yeah Right and This is Skateboarding came out, early 2003? and Koston and Reynolds both started out their parts with long lines. I thought that they did it on purpose, like a little nod at eachother. for whatever reason being 16 I always got stoked on the idea of that.
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I always thought he was the reason everyone was trying to bs noseblunt, nollie crook and nollie heel noseslide 10-ish stair rails/hubbas around the early '00s.
^^ Someone else did it after Yeah Right!, at the same time as Chris Cole. I forget who. But In whatever magazine Coles was in, the other persons sequence was on the very next page.
I remember thinking the exact same thing, about "Well, Kostons doing it, I guess everyone has to too.".
Yeah I think 360 flip noseblunt was just a bit too advanced to become trendy. Relative to those other tricks, you still don't really see them done often, but I definitely remember a couple popping up right after Koston's. I'm thinking the other one was somebody more random, Lutzka maybe?
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I always thought he was the reason everyone was trying to bs noseblunt, nollie crook and nollie heel noseslide 10-ish stair rails/hubbas around the early '00s.
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^^ Someone else did it after Yeah Right!, at the same time as Chris Cole. I forget who. But In whatever magazine Coles was in, the other persons sequence was on the very next page.
I remember thinking the exact same thing, about "Well, Kostons doing it, I guess everyone has to too.".
Yeah I think 360 flip noseblunt was just a bit too advanced to become trendy. Relative to those other tricks, you still don't really see them done often, but I definitely remember a couple popping up right after Koston's. I'm thinking the other one was somebody more random, Lutzka maybe?
I think it was Dennis Durrant, around the time when he first got on popwar. I dont know where the footage is though
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I usually compare him to Chris Cole...
styles different but definitely get the similarities.
Same degree of style....different outfits.
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I always thought he was the reason everyone was trying to bs noseblunt, nollie crook and nollie heel noseslide 10-ish stair rails/hubbas around the early '00s.
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^^ Someone else did it after Yeah Right!, at the same time as Chris Cole. I forget who. But In whatever magazine Coles was in, the other persons sequence was on the very next page.
I remember thinking the exact same thing, about "Well, Kostons doing it, I guess everyone has to too.".
Yeah I think 360 flip noseblunt was just a bit too advanced to become trendy. Relative to those other tricks, you still don't really see them done often, but I definitely remember a couple popping up right after Koston's. I'm thinking the other one was somebody more random, Lutzka maybe?
I think its in his circa part. I know for sure he did one. It was down this pretty small rail alot of people have been doing stuff down. Johnny Layton has a nollie noseblunt and a line with nollie frontboard(?) down it and then a quick ollie over a wall in beyond good and evil
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I always thought he was the reason everyone was trying to bs noseblunt, nollie crook and nollie heel noseslide 10-ish stair rails/hubbas around the early '00s.
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^^ Someone else did it after Yeah Right!, at the same time as Chris Cole. I forget who. But In whatever magazine Coles was in, the other persons sequence was on the very next page.
I remember thinking the exact same thing, about "Well, Kostons doing it, I guess everyone has to too.".
Yeah I think 360 flip noseblunt was just a bit too advanced to become trendy. Relative to those other tricks, you still don't really see them done often, but I definitely remember a couple popping up right after Koston's. I'm thinking the other one was somebody more random, Lutzka maybe?
I think its in his circa part. I know for sure he did one. It was down this pretty small rail alot of people have been doing stuff down. Johnny Layton has a nollie noseblunt and a line with nollie frontboard(?) down it and then a quick ollie kickflip over a wall in beyond good and evil
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?
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Reynolds is The Boss
Koston is The King!
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I just rewatched Koston's Fully Flared part. That shit is way more fucked up than I remembered.
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Reynolds is a one trick pony.
"The Boss" label is so played out.
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Reynolds is a one trick pony.
"The Boss" label is so played out.
Soo much fail in this post.
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Who's parts would you rather watch?
Reynolds every time. For me anyway.
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?
No, that's not a valid comparison. The question is, what has Reynolds brought into skating? his "progression" is purely mathematical. Its particularly bad because Koston has done some gnarly shit down some big gaps.
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Koston has smashed reynolds at going switch down big shit. Has got the best sw bs flip in the biz and a really nice sw hardflip, sw heel, nol flip and the list goes on. reynolds is awesome though...
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nol flip?are u seriously that lazy that u can't type out 'switch fakie'?
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imo, it is foolish to compare.
all i know is that his Menikmati part has to be one of the greatest in skateboard history.
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For once, I have to agree with Gip on this one.
Reynolds is amazing, but Koston is untouchable.
Must have watched Goldfish 100 times before I realised his heelflip over the table was switch. It was unfathomable at the time.
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Yeah, O'Dell just wanted to sound relevant to all the younger generation by dropping Reynolds in there.
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Yeah right....he wanted to incite a firestorm of debate on the slap message board......
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Koston is clearly better than Reynolds in every way except for jumping down shit with the same three tricks.
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?
this.
as already pointed out, koston shows people what's possible and there's people like reynolds who take it further. i think the former way of progress is a lot more impressive
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For once, I have to agree with Gip on this one.
Reynolds is amazing, but Koston is untouchable.
Must have watched Goldfish 100 times before I realised his heelflip over the table was switch. It was unfathomable at the time.
just watched that goldfish part from 1993, it's amazing to see how he mastered switch tricks at the time, and not the easiest ones
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out of curiousity, was Koston's 5050 down clipper the first mark on that ledge? I know Sheffey hit it in the same video, but did anybody else do it before then?
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Yeah right....he wanted to incite a firestorm of debate on the slap message board......
Hhahahaaa
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out of curiousity, was Koston's 5050 down clipper the first mark on that ledge? I know Sheffey hit it in the same video, but did anybody else do it before then?
Pontus Alv 5050s it in "5 flavours" which was 98, but yeah Sheffy and Koston were before.
Those are the earlies tricks I can remember being done on it.
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Markovich 5-0'd it or something in third eye view, which was '98 too.
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Koston is clearly better than Reynolds in every way except for jumping down shit with the same three tricks.
really?
no, really?
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^ You've never heard that critique of Reynolds? He did end like 3 video parts in a row with basically identical tricks.
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^ You've never heard that critique of Reynolds? He did end like 3 video parts in a row with basically identical tricks.
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Vice is slacking, where is episode 4?
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Vice is slacking, where is episode 4?
WTF, I DO NOT DO ANY WORK ON THURSDAY UNTIL I WATCH THIS.
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I am not pleased with this turn of events. I feel betrayed by Vice! Where is this shit?!
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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-4 (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-4)
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link doesn't work, video not even on the vice website, sluggers a terrible cunt
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Haha, patience, my friend. Patience.
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ok it worked this time, sluggers i am the terrible cunt
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Glad they got it up, but what the fuck is up with Vice ALWAYS lagging in getting shit out on time?
Is this the guy they hire to put stuff up?
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Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?
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Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?
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I think what Sam Smyth said about Koston is pretty interesting, how he was one of the first skateboarders who could do pretty much everything without trying very hard. Now there are more of these types of kids, which explains why younger skaters might not understand how awesome Koston is. Much like how Tom Penny's impact is hard to understand unless you were somewhat lucid during the goofy boy small wheel era, when hardly anyone had any type of flow to their skating.
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That was fucking awesome. Koston is the master, the original master.
How is Mariano too? "Koston has always been better then me"....now that is a really hard one to decide.
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Koston is the Master, Mariano was a sort of master "YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN"
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Patrick really needs to get on a Rick Howard Epicly Later'd to reveal the entire story.
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It bothered me when Mariano said "We started going up to San Diego.....and bringing Koston down to LA."
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Maybe he grew up using an Australian world map?
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Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?
wasn't it like 93 or 94 when it came out?
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Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.
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Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?
Pretty sure it's 94 when it came out. Also pretty sure most, if not all of it was filmed in 94 as well...
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Maybe it's just me, but this is the nostalgic that inspired me to have a job. If you didn't cut it to be pro before 18, then you look for work. Nowadays the skate industry is different. Live this fantasy life and be a pile, but back in the day, you read interviews and knew what these guys would go through, and you knew you didn't cut it. Now a days anybody can think they have it to be pro.
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Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.
I would agree, but I think Guy knows better than us...
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Maybe it's just me, but this is the nostalgic that inspired me to have a job. If you didn't cut it to be pro before 18, then you look for work. Nowadays the skate industry is different. Live this fantasy life and be a pile, but back in the day, you read interviews and knew what these guys would go through, and you knew you didn't cut it. Now a days anybody can think they have it to be pro.
what?
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Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.
He did do a lot of hard drugs for about 10 years though...
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Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.
I think corto is talking about it from a fan perspective in that era and not the pro perspective. Which is why i made the p.rod comparison in the first place. P.rod can do the most technical shit all day everyday but it doesnt matter to a lot of people. Especially on this message board. Im assuming it mustve been similar in the early to mid 90s with koston. Style arguments etc.
Im making the destinction between pro and fan perspective because the progression (based on what everyone growing up during that era has said) was seen up close and happened really quickly for pros back then but was really slow for fans because all progression was experienced through video parts and magazine articles.
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Im assuming it mustve been similar in the early to mid 90s with koston. Style arguments etc.
Hell no. Koston was the king back then and that's all there was to it. Everyone loved Koston and it was almost impossible not to, unless you were all about the East Coast vibe that surfaced around the mid-90's.
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Guy was just a kid and he had already done his thing by the time Koston began to blow minds so it all makes perfect sense.
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Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?
Pretty sure it's 94 when it came out. Also pretty sure most, if not all of it was filmed in 94 as well...
I'm pretty positive it came out in 93.
edit* I could probably google it...
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It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.
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It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.
Yeah i'm pretty sure the model back in the day was a video a year, it was the mid to late 90s when that started to change. You wouldnt believe
how many horrible tracker videos there are.
I would say videos like Birdhouse's The End and Osirus the Storm were the videos that changed those trends.
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?
this.
as already pointed out, koston shows people what's possible and there's people like reynolds who take it further. i think the former way of progress is a lot more impressive
Flip trick progression is mathmatical too. Adding flips is the same thing. Fakie crook fakie varial flip out. Fakie crook fakie tre out. Fakie crook fakie 720 flip out. Its the same shit. Its not any more creative than jumping down more stairs. If someone goes for a fakie 3 flip fakie 5050 on a rail its just the next logical trick after a switch flip switch 5050 or fakie flip fakie 5050. I dont think im really all that creative and i thought of that. Its insane to do those tricks but its hardly creative to think of them. It just comes down to personal tastes. People like different things. Its not a big deal.
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It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.
how many horrible tracker videos there are.
I would say videos like Birdhouse's The End and Osirus the Storm were the videos that changed those trends.
back then not a lot had been done so it made for a better time trying to make a part. nowadays so much has been done everyone worries about abd's and nbd's and they all try to kill themselves on the biggest, craziest shit (hence taking more time getting tricks/recovering from injuries) to make the most impressive part. different times, different measures
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Another great episode but it kinda seemed like they covered a lot of ground too quickly. I would have love to hear more about them starting girl and showing up to that contest etc...
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^ You've never heard that critique of Reynolds? He did end like 3 video parts in a row with basically identical tricks.
Putting a frontside flip as an ender multiple times and doing the same three tricks over and over ain't the same fucking ballpark. It ain't the same league. It ain't even the same fucking sport. Look, foot massages don't mean shit.
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?
this.
as already pointed out, koston shows people what's possible and there's people like reynolds who take it further. i think the former way of progress is a lot more impressive
Flip trick progression is mathmatical too. Adding flips is the same thing. Fakie crook fakie varial flip out. Fakie crook fakie tre out. Fakie crook fakie 720 flip out. Its the same shit. Its not any more creative than jumping down more stairs. If someone goes for a fakie 3 flip fakie 5050 on a rail its just the next logical trick after a switch flip switch 5050 or fakie flip fakie 5050. I dont think im really all that creative and i thought of that. Its insane to do those tricks but its hardly creative to think of them. It just comes down to personal tastes. People like different things. Its not a big deal.
How can it not be more creative than "I'll frontside flip 15 stairs. Hold on. I've had a really ground breaking idea. I'll frontside flip a sixteen set (in tighter trousers)."? It's not a matter of liking different things. There is a correct answer, which is Koston.
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Skateboarding is math.
Math is power.
Power is money.
Money is the root of all evil.
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It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.
how many horrible tracker videos there are.
I would say videos like Birdhouse's The End and Osirus the Storm were the videos that changed those trends.
Misled Youth (coming soon!)
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Koston is the Master, Mariano was a sort of master "YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN"
"Sort of" master....? Are you on crack?
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Actually he was
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Yes, yes he was.
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I heard a story of Rodney being left in tears at the world park, after Eric did every Casper dark slide combo possible....
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I heard a story of Rodney being left in tears at the world park, after Eric did every Casper dark slide combo possible....
I'm skeptical, but it almost sounds believable. I was a counselor at woodward years ago, and Koston came. This one kid hounded him about doing a darkslide. He refused and the kid said he bet he couldn't do it. His response was "I just don't want to ruin my grip, let me use your board." In like 5 tries he did a nollie heel darkslide on a flatbar, then autographed the kid's board in the parts where the grip got scraped off. It was pretty rad.
And Guy is the master for sure, from Child prodigy status to his Lakai comeback, everything he has done has been legendary. I always put them on the same level, but felt like Guy had more of an underground appeal to him, and Koston was the celebrity. What he said about Koston kind of surprised me.
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but felt like Guy had more of an underground appeal to him, and Koston was the celebrity. What he said about Koston kind of surprised me.
Yeah that's the way I saw it too. Also, around the mouse era Koston was so smooth were as Mariano had this more edgy thing to his skating. Mariano felt like someone who's skating had this raw personality, were as Koston was more just perfected slickness. That was then though.
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Man.. this koston series is BORRRINNGGGG
I want to hear about the wallet/car/'I had a fuckin hundred bucks in there' situation.
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Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league
wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?
this.
as already pointed out, koston shows people what's possible and there's people like reynolds who take it further. i think the former way of progress is a lot more impressive
Flip trick progression is mathmatical too. Adding flips is the same thing. Fakie crook fakie varial flip out. Fakie crook fakie tre out. Fakie crook fakie 720 flip out. Its the same shit. Its not any more creative than jumping down more stairs. If someone goes for a fakie 3 flip fakie 5050 on a rail its just the next logical trick after a switch flip switch 5050 or fakie flip fakie 5050. I dont think im really all that creative and i thought of that. Its insane to do those tricks but its hardly creative to think of them. It just comes down to personal tastes. People like different things. Its not a big deal.
eh, i dont know. koston's progression wasnt exactly as simple as that i dont think. even if it was, i think when a trick hasnt been done it has a degree of unattainability, you cant picture someone else doing it and work from that, you have to figure it out on your own.
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Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?
Pretty sure it's 94 when it came out. Also pretty sure most, if not all of it was filmed in 94 as well...
On the back of my VHS cover it says 1993...
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sorry to keep this up, but i iz bored
That's the entire point to that argument. In the end, both of those dudes rip, even if one is better than the other. Its a fun little nerd-out debate.
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Man.. this koston series is BORRRINNGGGG
I want to hear about the wallet/car/'I had a fuckin hundred bucks in there' situation.
Dude got robbed. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Skateboarding is math.
Math is power.
Power is money.
Money is the root of all evil.
LOL fucking awesome,i wld like to add w koston's newest epicly part it is sick that people like guy kind of fan out on him, guy is a legend and to say he is not on koston's level is beyond a compliment
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I heard a story of Rodney being left in tears at the world park, after Eric did every Casper dark slide combo possible....
And Guy is the master for sure, from Child prodigy status to his Lakai comeback, everything he has done has been legendary. I always put them on the same level, but felt like Guy had more of an underground appeal to him, and Koston was the celebrity. What he said about Koston kind of surprised me.
rad story and i 100% agree abt the guy thing
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No 'cock' talk?
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why Koston is da MVP?
just look at that nollie noseblunt....
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Epicly later'd is really better with skaters that we don't know much about or aren't in the public eye as much as Koston. I feel like we all know his story, so I also agree that this series seems a bit boring.
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12 pages in and people are still arguing about Reynolds? God damn...
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I heard a story of Rodney being left in tears at the world park, after Eric did every Casper dark slide combo possible....
went to an a-team demo back in the day. my little brother told rodney that he nearly had darkslides. rodney was very encouraging and gave him pointers. he nearly pulled it in front of him. rodney was stoked. the dude was classy and kind.
the same day, i rode in rocco's jeephummerthing and bought beef jerky with him. #90s
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12 pages in and people are still arguing about Reynolds? God damn...
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totally skipped over the whole Bitch Skateboards thing
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Anybody watching coastal carnage right now? Jeff Pang and Paul Zitzer just chimed in their opinion: They think Koston is"The greatest street skater of all time"
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totally skipped over the whole Bitch Skateboards thing
yeah what the fuck
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Is it me or has the years guy was on drugs finally caught up to his face? His forehead is mad scary!
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Is it me or has the years guy was on drugs finally caught up to his face? His forehead is mad scary!
its not just you, his eyes look sunken in as well. hopefully not a relapse.
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guy isnt even kewt, gosh
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Epicly later'd is really better with skaters that we don't know much about or aren't in the public eye as much as Koston. I feel like we all know his story, so I also agree that this series seems a bit boring.
Agreed, I'd love a Ryan Nix series. Did anyone see his Slap Pals Questions? Dude's a drunk, and drunk's have the best stories.
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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-5 (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-5)
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I like this but it feels way to much like a biography to me. If it's someone not as known it's a lot more interesting but it's koston. most ppl know most of the shit that's been shown. I wish o'dell would of started the episodes for his filming for pretty sweet. it's easy to just say lets start the series by chronicling his life. it would be a lot more creative to dig a little more into different stories.
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damn, i didnt realize how much nostalgia i had for the early 2000's. the chomp era was a fun time in skateboarding, good episode.
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haha how you gonna come at gg like that
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They skipped The Chocolate Tour? That's Koston's dopest part!
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there should have been at least a full episode on both his chomp and menikmati parts. casting those aside for a mini atiba episode was disappointing.
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Just a quick question, but which skaters would you wanna see on epicly laterd?
I'll start, Corey Duffel, Nate Jones, Gator from behind bars and Jay Adams
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Concluded in part 6. What the hell?
I guess the last one will be briefly about Fully Flared and turn into a commecrical for Pretty Sweet
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Ughh these episodes feel like commercials for the real episodes..
Now i can't wait for the new part if it's going to be more of a weird and fun type of skating!
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there should have been at least a full episode on both his chomp and menikmati parts. casting those aside for a mini atiba episode was disappointing.
I dunno about you guys, but I liked the atiba part. It pretty much tied in with Eric Koston anyways.
I wouldn't even mind watching his own epicly later'd along with other well known filmers/photographers
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THAT EPISODE WAS FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
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Pretty snoozy episode. Atiba's voice is like prepubescent nails on a chalk board. Looking at his photos really hammered home how great Acosta is, also.
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Who cares that Atiba shoots the NBA? Why even put that stuff in there? Bummer.
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The only good thing about this episode is that his pretty sweet part will be like his chomp part, I aint mad at that ;D.
And is it me or does Mike Carroll seem super uninterested in talking about Koston.
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The only good thing about this episode is that his pretty sweet part will be like his chomp part, I aint mad at that ;D.
And is it me or does Mike Carroll seem super uninterested in talking about Koston.
I feel like thats just how he presents himself generally when being interviewed.
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MIke Carroll is a great skater, one of my all time favorites, but he's always going to be too col for school.
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Concluded in part 6. What the hell?
I guess the last one will be briefly about Fully Flared and turn into a commecrical for Pretty Sweet
Hopefully it's a super long one, like the last Kalis episode. I was bummed when I saw that part 6 would be the last one, Koston deserves more episodes.
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Just a quick question, but which skaters would you wanna see on epicly laterd?
I'll start, Corey Duffel, Nate Jones, Gator from behind bars and Jay Adams
I would rather see shows on people that don't skate no more. That is what made episodes like Henry Sanchez so good. There's a lot in that "Where are they now?" post that would be good.
Just some off the top of my head:
Evan Hernandez
Before the Weekend Buzz episode, TrainWreck would have been a good episode.
Bobby Puleo
Kareem Cambell
Muska and the whole Shortys Squad
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i want one on stamina and neighborhood. there used to be a lot of funny shit in interviews about the fernandez brothers when they first came to the states.
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MIke Carroll is a great skater, one of my all time favorites, but he's always going to be too col for school.
What do you know? How is he acting too cool for school? I think he was just talking normally. If you met him and he was too cool it was probably because you're kook. Jim Greco, too for school, Mike Carroll, normal.
Also the episodes are kind of boring because Koston is. He's not a character. He's just good at skateboarding, what do you want him to talk about, his golf game?
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Yes, I'm aware Oakley is a sponsor of this.
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MIke Carroll is a great skater, one of my all time favorites, but he's always going to be too col for school.
What do you know? How is he acting too cool for school? I think he was just talking normally. If you met him and he was too cool it was probably� because you're kook.� Jim Greco, too for school, Mike Carroll, normal.
Also the episodes are kind of boring because Koston is. He's not a character.� He's just good at skateboarding, what do you want him to talk about, his golf game?
I liked his epicly latered documentary the 2nd part where hes trying the fakie tre to lip. I thought that was interesting
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MIke Carroll is a great skater, one of my all time favorites, but he's always going to be too col for school.
What do you know? How is he acting too cool for school? I think he was just talking normally. If you met him and he was too cool it was probably because you're kook. Jim Greco, too for school, Mike Carroll, normal.
Also the episodes are kind of boring because Koston is. He's not a character. He's just good at skateboarding, what do you want him to talk about, his golf game?
i think he's referring to carrol's hubris which is clearly visible when you don't have his nuts in your mouth
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MIke Carroll is a great skater, one of my all time favorites, but he's always going to be too col for school.
What do you know? How is he acting too cool for school? I think he was just talking normally. If you met him and he was too cool it was probably because you're kook. Jim Greco, too for school, Mike Carroll, normal.
Also the episodes are kind of boring because Koston is. He's not a character. He's just good at skateboarding, what do you want him to talk about, his golf game?
i think he's referring to carrol's hubris which is clearly visible when you don't have his nuts in your mouth
Lemme guess, you prefer Shane Heyl's enthusiasm.
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MIke Carroll is a great skater, one of my all time favorites, but he's always going to be too col for school.
What do you know? How is he acting too cool for school? I think he was just talking normally. If you met him and he was too cool it was probably� because you're kook.� Jim Greco, too for school, Mike Carroll, normal.
Also the episodes are kind of boring because Koston is. He's not a character.� He's just good at skateboarding, what do you want him to talk about, his golf game?
I liked his epicly latered documentary the 2nd part where hes trying the fakie tre to lip. I thought that was interesting
Yeah more stuff like the attempts at the fakie tre lip would be great
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Just a quick question, but which skaters would you wanna see on epicly laterd?
I'll start, Corey Duffel, Nate Jones, Gator from behind bars and Jay Adams
Just watch Stoked. That pretty much dealt the whole subject.
Chomp is still one of my favourite videos. I bought the VHS when I was maybe 12 and had no idea what kind of video I just paid for.
I wasn't disappointed. Loved Koston's part right away.
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i guess im in the minority. ive liked most of the episodes so far
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The sunglasses on while being interviewed is annoying.
Yes, I'm aware Oakley is a sponsor of this.
well, since we are on the subject. I found this earlier
Eric Koston Talks About Being On Vice's Epicly Later d and His New Oakley Sunglasses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpbM7By5UI#ws)
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The sunglasses on while being interviewed is annoying.
Yes, I'm aware Oakley is a sponsor of this.
Eric Koston Talks About Being On Vice's Epicly Later d and His New Oakley Sunglasses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpbM7By5UI#ws)
When ever that dose bloke interviews anyone they look really uncomfortable and whored out.
I thought that Atiba episode seemed a bit lazy. Still, it is free. On video please return.
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The sunglasses on while being interviewed is annoying.
Yes, I'm aware Oakley is a sponsor of this.
Eric Koston Talks About Being On Vice's Epicly Later d and His New Oakley Sunglasses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpbM7By5UI#ws)
A few years ago, didn't he say the biggest mistake he ever made was riding for Oakley? In a "last words", or something?
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As much as I like Epicly Later'd and Eric Koston, I wish there was more than just five episodes saying "Oh, he was the best".
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We need to hear about Koston pissing into shoes in Sweden.
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Man.. this koston series is BORRRINNGGGG
I want to hear about the wallet/car/'I had a fuckin hundred bucks in there' situation.
Agreed. I get it, the dude is a legend, but it's just a series of Koston dickriding.
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Man.. this koston series is BORRRINNGGGG
I want to hear about the wallet/car/'I had a fuckin hundred bucks in there' situation.
Agreed. I get it, the dude is a legend, but it's just a series of Koston dickriding.
What is there to hear? They already explained that in the video. Are you stupid?
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Man.. this koston series is BORRRINNGGGG
I want to hear about the wallet/car/'I had a fuckin hundred bucks in there' situation.
Agreed. I get it, the dude is a legend, but it's just a series of Koston dickriding.
What is there to hear? They already explained that in the video. Are you stupid?
Idk... I just figured they find someone a little more interesting to talk about since each featured skater usually has at least one crazy story or somethin. I didn't bother watching the newest episode. Yes I am stupid.
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This series needs more Tim Gavin.
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these have become so bland and transparent.
Nothing more than sales tapes.
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there should have been at least a full episode on both his chomp and menikmati parts. casting those aside for a mini atiba episode was disappointing.
I dunno about you guys, but I liked the atiba part. It pretty much tied in with Eric Koston anyways.
I wouldn't even mind watching his own epicly later'd along with other well known filmers/photographers
The berrics has a series with filmer/photographers like that. Don't remember what its called. Its one of the better things they do though. There's some cool footage and stories. I saw the Ryan Gee episode it was cool. I'm sure Atiba's done one.
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there should have been at least a full episode on both his chomp and menikmati parts. casting those aside for a mini atiba episode was disappointing.
I dunno about you guys, but I liked the atiba part. It pretty much tied in with Eric Koston anyways.
I wouldn't even mind watching his own epicly later'd along with other well known filmers/photographers
The berrics has a series with filmer/photographers like that. Don't remember what its called. Its one of the better things they do though. There's some cool footage and stories. I saw the Ryan Gee episode it was cool. I'm sure Atiba's done one.
oh yeah that's true...totally forgot about the berrics haha
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http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson.html (http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson.html)
http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson-part-2.html (http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson-part-2.html)
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The sunglasses on while being interviewed is annoying.
Yes, I'm aware Oakley is a sponsor of this.
Eric Koston Talks About Being On Vice's Epicly Later d and His New Oakley Sunglasses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpbM7By5UI#ws)
A few years ago, didn't he say the biggest mistake he ever made was riding for Oakley? In a "last words", or something?
yes, yes he certainly did.
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http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson.html (http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson.html)
http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson-part-2.html (http://theberrics.com/shoot-all-skaters/atiba-jefferson-part-2.html)
thanks, I'll be watching these now ;D
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This series needs more Tim Gavin.
Just make a episode dedicated to Tim & Henrys pack of lies.
And one about everything and everyone during the world park days, cant get enough of that stuff
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A Neil Blender series would be rad, as would a Julien/Antihero one, but neither of those are very likely to ever happen.
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I'd like to see a Brian Lotti episode
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Neil Blender
Brian Lotti
Sean Sheffey
Jesse Martinez
Ray Barbee
Paulo Diaz
Bastien Salabanzi
All great and interesting people with stories worth being told.
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Soulja boy shood have one
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thats actually a great idea
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tom penny, with a translator or text during his interviews.
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maybe its just me but episode 5 has me itching to go skate, feeling like i felt about skating 10 years ago. time to watch chomp and go skate!
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tom penny, with a translator or text during his interviews.
Remember that movie where the president/prime minister only appears on TV cause it's actually an animatronic robot that's just a torso and head? I have a suspicion that one of those things was built for Tom Penny interviews.
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Soulja boy shood have one
he has his own documentary
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Sean Sheffey/Ryan Fabry
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Tom Penny
Dustin Dollin
Mike York
Chad Muska
Jamie Thomas
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Tom penny
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Tom Penny
Dustin Dollin
Mike York
Chad Muska
Jamie Thomas
Epicly Later'd - Dustin Dollin - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGvV7bdS2c#)
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The sunglasses on while being interviewed is annoying.
Yes, I'm aware Oakley is a sponsor of this.
Eric Koston Talks About Being On Vice's Epicly Later d and His New Oakley Sunglasses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpbM7By5UI#ws)
A few years ago, didn't he say the biggest mistake he ever made was riding for Oakley? In a "last words", or something?
yes, yes he certainly did.
i think it was in king of the road and he read something like "worst sponsor picked up on trip. Oakley.
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http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-6 (http://www.vice.com/epicly-later-d/eric-koston-part-6)
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If Koston's business manager found out some wack shit going on at Lakai then why not delve into it and reveal it instead of mentioning it and then passing it over?
Weak sauce.
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yeah does anyone have any idea what they were talking about? why did it only affect koston?? and what did it have to do with gavin? isnt he with DVS anyway? maybe podium shit?
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Was that the last one?
"No he's doing it with Oakley" Cut to the shoot. ::)
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yeah does anyone have any idea what they were talking about? why did it only affect koston?? and what did it have to do with gavin? isnt he with DVS anyway? maybe podium shit?
gavin was (or is?) the head of podium, and I'm assuming kostons manager found some shit that was going on with the company that eventually lead lakai to leave to crailtap, i think koston figured that he didn't want to wind down his career while starting up a family on a company that was close to impending doom
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did that 6th episode seem like a nike ad to anyone else? why was malto getting more interview footage than everyone that knew eric at that time? also, why didn't they have rick and mike's perspective on the lakai departure??
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Half of Lakai quit shortly after Fully Flared, not just Koston.
They spent a shit ton of money to film that video. Between pros salaries, filming trips (plane tickets alone for that many people could be like $15,000, then it took 5 years to make, countless flights...it adds up fast. ), cameras, production costs, etc. Then they release the video in an era that is almost all digital, and downloaded for free. No one buys skate videos anymore, they just come on here and say "LINKZ PLEEAZEE" until they get one. Not to mention the introduction of other big name shoe companies that cut into Lakais sales as well.
"What happened at Lakai" sounds like nothing more than the brand running out of money and having to put in giant budget cuts. Eric probably came on at an agreed salary, and they had to cut that way back to keep the company going.
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there should have been at least a full episode on both his chomp and menikmati parts. casting those aside for a mini atiba episode was disappointing.
I dunno about you guys, but I liked the atiba part.� It pretty much tied in with Eric Koston anyways.
I wouldn't even mind watching his own epicly later'd along with other well known filmers/photographers
The berrics has a series with filmer/photographers like that.� Don't remember what its called.� Its one of the better things they do though.� There's some cool footage and stories.� I saw the Ryan Gee episode it was cool.� I'm sure Atiba's done one.
I really like the shoot all skaters series on the berrics. Definately one of the cooler things they do.
I wish they would do a Reda episode that would be awesome!!
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It was obviously not budget cuts and regular shit at lakai.eric was getting some kind of ownership stake, he definately knew the financial status of the company before signing.it was something shady, otherwise gavin wouldn't be so embarassed.and yea it seemed like a nike and oakley commercial, the series got weaker as it went on for sure.I like his chomp part but I hope he pushes himself for pretty sweet, he's at his best when innovating.
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I don't care about Sean Malto. Why was he even there?
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Koston is awesome and that was a shit ending to his series.
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Epicly Lamer'd. The show is getting a bit formulaic and boring. O'Dell needs to switch to the EP role and let some new blood handle the episode production.
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Weird that they put the whole Lakai thing like that. The way I'm taking it was "Lakai couldn't afford Koston".
Sucked that they didn't put Rick McCrank in there to speak his part. Actually, I'd rather see a full episode about Rick.
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Weird that they put the whole Lakai thing like that. The way I'm taking it was "Lakai couldn't afford Koston".
Sucked that they didn't put Rick McCrank in there to speak his part. Actually, I'd rather see a full episode about Rick.
When a skater owned niche brand like Lakai runs into a company like Nike, they're going to lose the money game. Obviously Eric's got a very nice home and a family. Lakai money gets you by, Nike money sets you up for life.
I would have liked to hear more from Rick, Rickk, Megan, and Carroll in this series.
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Saying the business manager (who is probably an accountant/money manager/numbers guy for koston) found problems people at Lakai either didn't want to deal with or didn't have time to deal with makes me think it could have been a tax or accounting issue. Something that didn't really effect the day to day operations but could have significant consequences if left unaddressed.
Overall I liked the series but I thought it would be better. It seemed like they just read his bio, and had a sentence about every interesting thing rather than getting into much detail. Spent most of the time just saying he was really good at skating. I like that Mariano called him Jordan though.
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I think Koston is busy with business and filming for Pretty Sweet, which would explain the "random" skaters in his epicly later'd...That Lakai break up sounds like a major bummer...Fully Flared cost was about 1.2 mil, ball park, so I've heard....to write out or type a report on the costs would be overwhelming. Think about the opening scene, traveling, production/packaging/distribution......so much...not to mention camera and film equipment. How many DVD's and Blu Rays do you think they made? How many do you think they sold? You can figure how much those retail for, compare that to the cost (over 1 mil), and get your estimated margin % ....probably does not look pretty sweet...
I'm just gonna make up some figures here:
If you just say the cost was 1 mil, and the dvd's are $30, they would have to sell approx 34,000 dvd's to just pass breaking even...and not suffer any loss from making FF. How many skate shops are there in the US? On wiki there are 425 zumiez, so lets just say there are 1000 skate shops in the US. That means every skate shop would have to order 34 copies of the DVD for Lakai to break even on FF. I bet the most popular skate shops order maybe 20. I doubt any skate shop is going to sell close to 40 copies, maybe. I'm just speculating, but that should give you a basis for what probably happened...with spending over 1 mil in producing FF. big bummer :(
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I like that Mariano called him Jordan though.
Yeah Guy's retrospect was really cool. The whole McCrank and Koston pushing each other in Japan and filming Yeah Right, was cool too. How epicly later'd put their footage back to back you could really see these gnarly sessions going down.
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I think Koston is busy with business and filming for Pretty Sweet, which would explain the "random" skaters in his epicly later'd...That Lakai break up sounds like a major bummer...Fully Flared cost was about 1.2 mil, ball park, so I've heard....to write out or type a report on the costs would be overwhelming. Think about the opening scene, traveling, production/packaging/distribution......so much...not to mention camera and film equipment. How many DVD's and Blu Rays do you think they made? How many do you think they sold? You can figure how much those retail for, compare that to the cost (over 1 mil), and get your estimated margin % ....probably does not look pretty sweet...
I'm just gonna make up some figures here:
If you just say the cost was 1 mil, and the dvd's are $30, they would have to sell approx 34,000 dvd's to just pass breaking even...and not suffer any loss from making FF. How many skate shops are there in the US? On wiki there are 425 zumiez, so lets just say there are 1000 skate shops in the US. That means every skate shop would have to order 34 copies of the DVD for Lakai to break even on FF. I bet the most popular skate shops order maybe 20. I doubt any skate shop is going to sell close to 40 copies, maybe. I'm just speculating, but that should give you a basis for what probably happened...with spending over 1 mil in producing FF. big bummer :(
Theres way more than 1000 even the smallest town have skateshops, then think about worldwide.
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The margins in a skate video don't really matter much. They all lose money when you look at them as a product. They're a promotional tool. I barely saw anybody with Lakais on before Fully Flared in my area. After the video, more than a few people were skating them regularly.
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Haha nice made up numbers.they're obviously total bullshit, but you even managed to forget about the rest of the world.
Crailtap may not be making a lot of money off them, but they obviously think full length videos are a worthwhile investment.otherwise they wouldn't have made fully flared or now pretty sweet.also so much of the costs are covered, they get cameras from panasonic, and some things like flights/hotels would be business expenses, and they'd get some sort of reimbursement I'd imagine.
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This is all about Podium fucking up. Not Lakai. Maybe Koston wasn't getting full checks our something from Podium at the time. That explains why a lot of people left Lakai just cause I am sure other offers were way more entertaining. And since Koston wanted more stake in a company, how could he have done it with Podium if they had no money? The so called "business manager" probably just suggested to take the Nike deal cause it was safer since they are more of a secure company.
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Yeah I didn't include the rest of the world, just US. The 1 mil is what I heard though...not going into anymore with how I heard that...so don't ask...and since I heard it maybe it is common industry knowledge...Regardless how they were talking around it, it probably is incredibly stressful and shitty.
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Crailtap may not be making a lot of money off them, but they obviously think full length videos are a worthwhile investment.otherwise they wouldn't have made fully flared or now pretty sweet.also so much of the costs are covered, they get cameras from panasonic, and some things like flights/hotels would be business expenses, and they'd get some sort of reimbursement I'd imagine.
There are two potential accounting treatments for the production costs. Either keep them as 'Costs of Goods Sold' all claimed when the video was released, or account for them as marketing expenses in the periods they were incurred. Either treatment results in a reduction of taxable income for Lakai in whichever period they were claimed. Any resulting Net Operating Loss would be able to be carried forward and so the only real gambles in producing the video are the effect of those expenses on the timing of cash flows in the short term and reduced Return on Investment amounts for ownership in the short-term for the sake of longer-term sales and profit growth. Clearly Lakai didn't fold while financing the video, so the only question that remains is whether the video's affect on their sales offset the the short-term reduction in ROI for Lakai's owners, which we'll never know as we can't know what would have happened if they didn't make the video.
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and some things like flights/hotels would be business expenses, and they'd get some sort of reimbursement I'd imagine.
If a skater (employee) pays for the flight or hotel on their credit card, then the company will reimburse them. The company still has to pay for the travel expense. Are you sure panasonic gives them everything for free? Or a discount? I swear there is a Ty or Atiba interview where he runs down the cost of film equipment and editing software.
The margins in a skate video don't really matter much. They all lose money when you look at them as a product. They're a promotional tool. I barely saw anybody with Lakais on before Fully Flared in my area. After the video, more than a few people were skating them regularly.
Right I agree, but when you spend too much in marketing money then you are asking for trouble. Especially dealing with your competition, i.e. Nike, and other core shoe brands that make videos that probably cost nothing compared to FF.
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If you're gonna say stupid nonsensical shit, at least go all the way like harry crews.don't pretend you are over 12 or have a basic education, just be yourself man.
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Crailtap may not be making a lot of money off them, but they obviously think full length videos are a worthwhile investment.otherwise they wouldn't have made fully flared or now pretty sweet.also so much of the costs are covered, they get cameras from panasonic, and some things like flights/hotels would be business expenses, and they'd get some sort of reimbursement I'd imagine.
There are two potential accounting treatments for the production costs. Either keep them as 'Costs of Goods Sold' all claimed when the video was released, or account for them as marketing expenses in the periods they were incurred. Either treatment results in a reduction of taxable income for Lakai in whichever period they were claimed. Any resulting Net Operating Loss would be able to be carried forward and so the only real gambles in producing the video are the effect of those expenses on the timing of cash flows in the short term and reduced Return on Investment amounts for ownership in the short-term for the sake of longer-term sales and profit growth. Clearly Lakai didn't fold while financing the video, so the only question that remains is whether the video's affect on their sales offset the the short-term reduction in ROI for Lakai's owners, which we'll never know as we can't know what would have happened if they didn't make the video.
They went through some business changes did they not? They obviously didn't grow...Also they still could be suffering from FF, and re-structuring their business plan to keep things going. It's the reality of the economy and it fucking sucks. I'm sure they will be ok though...hopefully not go the same road as eS. There was just the news about DVS, and Rob buying DNA and moving it. Shit happens.
Ice 9...explain how the costs are covered. You think the hilton or alaska airlines gives them everything for free, you fucking dumbshit?
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In my opinion that was the most boring series yet.
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Are you joking?did you not read what ttching! just wrote?you even quoted it.
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Yeah I didn't include the rest of the world, just US. The 1 mil is what I heard though...not going into anymore with how I heard that...so don't ask...and since I heard it maybe it is common industry knowledge...Regardless how they were talking around it, it probably is incredibly stressful and shitty.
No one has to ask, Kelly Bird says how much it costs in one of the epiclylaterds.
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I think it was the shoes rather than the video. Judging the two Lakais I've owned, the lace holes were so low that the laces broke in a few hours (something an old man like me never does), the rubber bumper and sole wore more quickly than any shoe I've owned, and the leather uppers look like they've been mauled by dogs within an hour of skating. I've also never been fond of that garish logo they put on the sides, usually in white. It reminds me of the old Airwalk pterodactyl logo.
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for fucks sake, he said it was marketing tool in the video if it's not already obvious enough
If you're gonna say stupid nonsensical shit, at least go all the way like harry crews.don't pretend you are over 12 or have a basic education, just be yourself man.
perfect
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I like that Mariano called him Jordan though.
Yeah Guy's retrospect was really cool. The whole McCrank and Koston pushing each other in Japan and filming Yeah Right, was cool too. How epicly later'd put their footage back to back you could really see these gnarly sessions going down.
I'd say Koston is more like Kobe, with P-Rod being like the amazing but hated Lebron. I would give Jordan to D-Way and Larry Bird to Tony Hawk.
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Im not sure if I am following all the pro basketball comparisons....is fat Brian Wenning like Shawn Kemp after the 98 lockout?
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Im not sure if I am following all the pro basketball comparisons....is fat Brian Wenning like Shawn Kemp after the 98 lockout?
No one in skateboarding is like Shawn Kemp. Shawn Kemp is actually hesh as fuck. All that shit the media says about him. He owns a restaurant that turns into a nightclub at night, and walks around wasted buying drinks/shots for people. I haven't gone there, it's called Oskar's. Kemp used to play midnight street ball in Seattle while playing for the Sonics, after games. He is the fucking real deal.
http://www.oskarskitchen.com/ (http://www.oskarskitchen.com/)
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Wenning is Allen Iverson.
Had it all and is broke now.
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Any rumors about the next series?? A Muska series would be superb
Elissa Steamer and perhaps Brian Lotti
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Wenning is Allen Iverson.
Had it all and is broke now.
I only read the top line and was gonna say, "You mean he should cover up his tat with a black sleeve?" haha that Selfish tat is so wack.
All I remember Allen Iverson for being a pro baller was trying to sneak weed on the plane wrapped in tinfoil. What a fucking dumbass.
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Wenning is Allen Iverson.
Had it all and is broke now.
I only read the top line and was gonna say, "You mean he should cover up his tat with a black sleeve?" haha that Selfish tat is so wack.
All I remember Allen Iverson for being a pro baller was trying to sneak weed on the plane wrapped in tinfoil. What a fucking dumbass.
LOL I didn't even think of the tattoos!
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This is like listening to a bunch of old men outside of a legion talk about the business of baseball like they actually know what the fuck is going on...
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This is like listening to a bunch of old men outside of a legion talk about the business of baseball like they actually know what the fuck is going on...
You've had experience listening to fuckheads like that? I feel sorry for you.
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Im not sure if I am following all the pro basketball comparisons....is fat Brian Wenning like Shawn Kemp after the 98 lockout?
I had a few drinks before posting, it made sense at the time.
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Wenning is Allen Iverson.
Had it all and is broke now.
I only read the top line and was gonna say, "You mean he should cover up his tat with a black sleeve?" haha that Selfish tat is so wack.
All I remember Allen Iverson for being a pro baller was trying to sneak weed on the plane wrapped in tinfoil. What a fucking dumbass.
And practice.
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In my opinion that was the most boring series yet.
The one about Westgate mowing his lawn was pretty dull too.
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Crailtap may not be making a lot of money off them, but they obviously think full length videos are a worthwhile investment.otherwise they wouldn't have made fully flared or now pretty sweet.also so much of the costs are covered, they get cameras from panasonic, and some things like flights/hotels would be business expenses, and they'd get some sort of reimbursement I'd imagine.
There are two potential accounting treatments for the production costs. Either keep them as 'Costs of Goods Sold' all claimed when the video was released, or account for them as marketing expenses in the periods they were incurred. Either treatment results in a reduction of taxable income for Lakai in whichever period they were claimed. Any resulting Net Operating Loss would be able to be carried forward and so the only real gambles in producing the video are the effect of those expenses on the timing of cash flows in the short term and reduced Return on Investment amounts for ownership in the short-term for the sake of longer-term sales and profit growth. Clearly Lakai didn't fold while financing the video, so the only question that remains is whether the video's affect on their sales offset the the short-term reduction in ROI for Lakai's owners, which we'll never know as we can't know what would have happened if they didn't make the video.
They went through some business changes did they not? They obviously didn't grow...Also they still could be suffering from FF, and re-structuring their business plan to keep things going. It's the reality of the economy and it fucking sucks. I'm sure they will be ok though...hopefully not go the same road as eS. There was just the news about DVS, and Rob buying DNA and moving it. Shit happens.
Ice 9...explain how the costs are covered. You think the hilton or alaska airlines gives them everything for free, you fucking dumbshit?
If you look at the set up for that video it was done really fucked up, Crailtap actually produced and distributed Fully Flared not Poduim.
So who pays for the video budget on that? it might not sound like a big deal but it is. It's kinda fucked to think that Poduim would front the whole cost of the video and then see very little of a return on it besides maybe some increased shoe sales. So does Crailtap spend a abunch of money on the video and then hope they can pay it off via sales alone? The structure of those companies probably lent itself to a lot accounting errors or oppertunities for someone to scam one of the other companies out of money.
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Wenning is Allen Iverson.
Had it all and is broke now.
I only read the top line and was gonna say, "You mean he should cover up his tat with a black sleeve?" haha that Selfish tat is so wack.
All I remember Allen Iverson for being a pro baller was trying to sneak weed on the plane wrapped in tinfoil. What a fucking dumbass.
Not a game.
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Koston's weird
He said he woulda said fuck you to nike a few years ago...but now it's fine because they take "care" of their skaters (whatever that means)...just like how he said his biggest mistake was Oakley yet now he's doing photoshoots and signature series with them.
Not to say I wouldn't do the same thing, get scrilla etc...
This entire series can basically be summed up like this:
Koston is the best! Oh and,
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Am I the only one that feels that O'dell rushed this series? The pace in the first 2 or 3 videos was good but after that it seemed rushed.
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they should do a series about Odell
so we can watch epicly laterd get epicly laterd
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Koston's weird
He said he woulda said fuck you to nike a few years ago...but now it's fine because they take "care" of their skaters (whatever that means)...just like how he said his biggest mistake was Oakley yet now he's doing photoshoots and signature series with them.
Not to say I wouldn't do the same thing, get scrilla etc...
This entire series can basically be summed up like this:
Koston is the best! Oh and,
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Nail. On. The. Head.
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Am I the only one that feels that O'dell rushed this series? The pace in the first 2 or 3 videos was good but after that it seemed rushed.
Definitely. Shoulda been like 12 parts.
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I cant be over... it feels like its half way... fuck. piss. shit.
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Kelly birds hair was the best thing about this series.
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Am I the only one that feels that O'dell rushed this series? The pace in the first 2 or 3 videos was good but after that it seemed rushed.
Definitely agree with this, they really rushed over the whole lakai era of koston as well as what I was looking forward to most which was the menikmati era. Would've like to hear more than "he's the best ever, filmed menikmati as a serious part and chomp as a fun part." Though there was some cool stuff about those times, I feel like late 90's to around '05 was his absolute "prime" and he was unfuckwithable. Great beginning of the series to a disappointing end in which they wrapped up pretty much his whole 2000-2010 time period in five minutes. So he said he hated nike, but then liked them in essence cuz the riders get paid well?
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Kelly birds hair was the best thing about this series.
haha! i was only looking at his hair when he was talking. Eric's life seems a little too perfect for an Epicly Laterd. Best thing about this series was the party footage of the Girl guys.
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Am I the only one that feels that O'dell rushed this series? The pace in the first 2 or 3 videos was good but after that it seemed rushed.
Definitely. Towards the end dude squeezed like a decade worth of stuff into two episodes. There definitely should've been a whole episode dedicated to Yeah Right and another full episode dedicated to Fully Flared.
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Koston is too boring. A whole episode dedicated to Yeah Right?? Like Atiba said, he just puts it down under pressure. You get what you see with him. He's strictly a professional, these kind of people are never interesting for other than what they do. It's not like he's Dollin where there is some crazy story and he's hungover and boom somehow gets a clip, or a Guy or AVE that stopped skating and came back to it. He's not a Dill who likes to talk with an opinion on everything. Koston is the type to wake up at 7:30 eat some health food and do some stretches and get a trick, then go and watch basketball. He's not a character. Actually, I'd like to know why his nickname was Cock for so long. Was he a dick?
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Yeah Koston's so lame. Dude calls himself a street skater when he's never even done meth and quit skating. Can't wait to fast forward over his 15th video part in the new chocolate video
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Series on Gerwer please.
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lance mountair episodes would be sick.
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Or even make a movie!
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This just like the B.A. episodes, ended as if he just rushed through anything that was of recent memory. Plus O'Dell kinda admitted that he wasnt a real koston fan anyways.
I usually like O'Dell's work but he really dropped the ball by not addressing:
1. His affiliation with Scientology
2. His affiliation with the No Limit Soldiers
3. Why is he even friends with Steve Berra
4. What was really the issue with the Alex Olson instabeef, was it the straw that broke the camel's back or is the berrics really that goddamn hard to run that you air a nigga out like that for talking slick.
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This just like the B.A. episodes, ended as if he just rushed through anything that was of recent memory. Plus O'Dell kinda admitted that he wasnt a real koston fan anyways.
I usually like O'Dell's work but he really dropped the ball by not addressing:
1. His affiliation with Scientology
2. His affiliation with the No Limit Soldiers
3. Why is he even friends with Steve Berra
4. What was really the issue with the Alex Olson instabeef, was it the straw that broke the camel's back or is the berrics really that goddamn hard to run that you air a nigga out like that for talking slick.
yeah, this one was pretty weird considering Alex was interviewed for the episode (there's a clip of him in the teaser trailer), but none of it was incorporated into the series.
A bunch of stuff definitely got glossed over/left on the cutting room floor like the B.A. episode . . .
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
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This just like the B.A. episodes, ended as if he just rushed through anything that was of recent memory. Plus O'Dell kinda admitted that he wasnt a real koston fan anyways.
I usually like O'Dell's work but he really dropped the ball by not addressing:
1. His affiliation with Scientology
2. His affiliation with the No Limit Soldiers
3. Why is he even friends with Steve Berra
4. What was really the issue with the Alex Olson instabeef, was it the straw that broke the camel's back or is the berrics really that goddamn hard to run that you air a nigga out like that for talking slick.
I highly doubt Koston would willingly discuss scientology stuff. He would either just straight up refuse to talk about it or be vague as fuck when discussing it.
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lance mountair episodes would be sick.
I back this idea fully.
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
Yeah, I feel the same. So few get access to high caliber skaters like O'dell. He didn't use his opportunity to get a really in depth interview. I was acually less psyched on Koston after seeing it, and I really LOVE me some koston. I wonder if he's just lazy, or he caters to the sponsors and just leaves all the 'fluf' in to guarantee he gets his check. Plus all that stuff tim was saying about being old was really bumming me out.
I'm super psyched on a all dork trick part for the new video though. Bring back the Chomp era Koston!
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
I'm super psyched on a all dork trick part for the new video though. Bring back the Chomp era Koston!
I think these are really legitimate complaints, but to those saying he should have explored the 'dark areas' like Scientology, Berra, leaving Lakai etc., why would anyone interviewed answer those questions? If O'Dell got some answers on those topics, why would anyone agree to be interviewed for Later'd ever again? Remember, skateboarding professionals solely exist for marketing purposes, and we'll never get a Big Brother ever again. I'm bummed too, but I don't see what could be done about it.
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
I'm super psyched on a all dork trick part for the new video though. Bring back the Chomp era Koston!
I think these are really legitimate complaints, but to those saying he should have explored the 'dark areas' like Scientology, Berra, leaving Lakai etc., why would anyone interviewed answer those questions? If O'Dell got some answers on those topics, why would anyone agree to be interviewed for Later'd ever again? Remember, skateboarding professionals solely exist for marketing purposes, and we'll never get a Big Brother ever again. I'm bummed too, but I don't see what could be done about it.
A Berra friendship, a dark area??? lol
I think if done tastefully you can get any info you want out of a skater. O'Dell got Dylan to talk about overcoming a drug addiction that only people within the skate industry was even aware of.
Not saying that you have to talk about shitty things to make a good episode, but the original charm of the series was how candid the skaters get.
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How does he roll up his sleeves so perfectly.....totally glossed over....
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Henry Sanchez episode was the best.
"Everyone says 'no regrets, bro!" but yeah I regret a lot of shit."
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
I wouldn't dare call this, nor any media that goes on in skateboarding, "journalism."
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
I'm super psyched on a all dork trick part for the new video though. � Bring back the Chomp era Koston!
I think these are really legitimate complaints, but to those saying he should have explored the 'dark areas' like Scientology, Berra, leaving Lakai etc., why would anyone interviewed answer those questions? If O'Dell got some answers on those topics, why would anyone agree to be interviewed for Later'd ever again? Remember, skateboarding professionals solely exist for marketing purposes, and we'll never get a Big Brother ever again. I'm bummed too, but I don't see what could be done about it.
A Berra friendship, a dark area??? lol
I think if done tastefully you can get any info you want out of a skater. �O'Dell got Dylan to talk about overcoming a drug addiction that only people within the skate industry was even aware of.
Not saying that you have to talk about shitty things to make a good episode, but the original charm of the series was how candid the skaters get.
That's a good point...I suppose O'Dell might look up to Koston so much that he didn't want to get into anything that would make him look bad to the skate community? Especially with Scientology, its hard to imagine Koston giving responses that make people like us say 'Oh, that's why he likes Scientology? now i totally get it'. I don't think he could say anything to change peoples minds on Berra, either.
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
I'm super psyched on a all dork trick part for the new video though.� �Bring back the Chomp era Koston!
I think these are really legitimate complaints, but to those saying he should have explored the 'dark areas' like Scientology, Berra, leaving Lakai etc., why would anyone interviewed answer those questions? If O'Dell got some answers on those topics, why would anyone agree to be interviewed for Later'd ever again? Remember, skateboarding professionals solely exist for marketing purposes, and we'll never get a Big Brother ever again. I'm bummed too, but I don't see what could be done about it.
Because good journalism involves providing new information. A lot of bloggers just get lazy and regurgitate known facts. I've never met Koston, but feel like I could have made those EL episodes just based off common knowledge. Southern California, Amazing skater, shoes, team changes, etc....
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Because good journalism involves providing new information. A lot of bloggers just get lazy and regurgitate known facts. I've never met Koston, but feel like I could have made those EL episodes just based off common knowledge. Southern California, Amazing skater, shoes, team changes, etc....
like UWB pointed out, where do you get this 'journalism' idea from?
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if koston wasn't willing to talk about scientology and that crap don't do the series on him.
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
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I wouldn't dare call this, nor any media that goes on in skateboarding, "journalism."
But i think that especially over the last 2 seasons of this show theres this sort of feeling that it was getting to that place and that was kinda the appeal of the show. that it gained its cache from getting a lot closer to the truth. thats not journalism exactly but its a lot more than fluff. Otherwise i wouldnt care about this show at all. Im getting there though.
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Was gonna hate on these even more but then realized, why bother. Everyone knows Vice is an ad agency right?
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if someone did a roundtable interview with Berra, Koston, and J Lee about scientology it would be pulitzer-level skournalism
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This just like the B.A. episodes, ended as if he just rushed through anything that was of recent memory. Plus O'Dell kinda admitted that he wasnt a real koston fan anyways.
I usually like O'Dell's work but he really dropped the ball by not addressing:
1. His affiliation with Scientology
2. His affiliation with the No Limit Soldiers
3. Why is he even friends with Steve Berra
4. What was really the issue with the Alex Olson instabeef, was it the straw that broke the camel's back or is the berrics really that goddamn hard to run that you air a nigga out like that for talking slick.
That ^
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Does anybody know what the 'sketchy shit' Eric's business manager uncovered was? Does it have something to do with Lakai leaving
Podium and becoming one with Crailtap?
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The more I think about it, the more wack it seems. He had 3 of the best pro shoes of all time and they don't even mention it, other than "my shoes were influenced by Jordans." ??? The whole series was a big "tell us something we don't know."
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
I'm super psyched on a all dork trick part for the new video though. Bring back the Chomp era Koston!
I think these are really legitimate complaints, but to those saying he should have explored the 'dark areas' like Scientology, Berra, leaving Lakai etc., why would anyone interviewed answer those questions? If O'Dell got some answers on those topics, why would anyone agree to be interviewed for Later'd ever again? Remember, skateboarding professionals solely exist for marketing purposes, and we'll never get a Big Brother ever again. I'm bummed too, but I don't see what could be done about it.
A Berra friendship, a dark area??? lol
I think if done tastefully you can get any info you want out of a skater. O'Dell got Dylan to talk about overcoming a drug addiction that only people within the skate industry was even aware of.
Not saying that you have to talk about shitty things to make a good episode, but the original charm of the series was how candid the skaters get.
Somehow or other I don't think it would've been too hard to get Dylan to talk about overcoming a drug addiction. He was probably was psyched to further reinforce his tortured artist/rockstar/ faggot thing he's got going on. Koston's epicly later'd was quite a let down.
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Funny how badly we want to hear about some religions.....and others you just can't stand to hear about....
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Just throwing out an example of what O'Dell could have talked about during the post mouse episodes...no bigs.
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Funny how badly we want to hear about some religions.....and others you just can't stand to hear about....
And had he talked on and on about scientology (I did not even know he was a scientologist if I am honest) all of these comments would be about how much of a 'kook' he is and how he wouldn't shut up about his religion. There is no winning.
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perhaps these guys figured out they could get tax breaks by being involved in Scientology.
They give a big donation and receive it back effectively laundering a tax free income.
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
Hit the nail on the head... it was a 6 week long Oakley ad..glad to see Alphonzo Rawls talking..and its cool seeing Koston being a dad it adds a level of humility you may or may not have seen (like the Ricky O and Kalis episodes) and shit but they skipped over so much shit its insane...arguably one of the greatest dudes to ever do it and O'Dell some how felt he could cover an amazing 20+ yr career in 6 eps? I've loved watching Koston for as long as ive been skating i couldnt believe that was it when i saw the end in fact i watched it twice to see if there was a "Continued in Part 7" i might have missed..I would really have liked to know more about filming for the Lakai Video Guy and MJ had plenty to say about that video imagine anyone apart of it did...
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mayb koston is a faget
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There was plenty of interesting shit that totally got glossed over. Like mike carroll not liking koston having his own agent instead of representing himself, the whole contest era, truely tackling being sponsored by shitty mainstream companies, the space between yeah right and fully flared. This shouldve been like 10 episodes minimum. Too much is glossed over after mouse. Next to nothing about menikmati? Fucking seriously? That part basically introduced koston to the early 2000s generation of skaters. This was not a very in depth series and its not like he puts these out consistently so theres no reason to hold back. This was 6 episodes of revisionist history and advertising and that really pisses me off.
Hit the nail on the head... it was a 6 week long Oakley ad..glad to see Alphonzo Rawls talking..and its cool seeing Koston being a dad it adds a level of humility you may or may not have seen (like the Ricky O and Kalis episodes) and shit but they skipped over so much shit its insane...arguably one of the greatest dudes to ever do it and O'Dell some how felt he could cover an amazing 20+ yr career in 6 eps? I've loved watching Koston for as long as ive been skating i couldnt believe that was it when i saw the end in fact i watched it twice to see if there was a "Continued in Part 7" i might have missed..I would really have liked to know more about filming for the Lakai Video Guy and MJ had plenty to say about that video imagine anyone apart of it did...
yeeeah, agreed. like even one sorta interesting story from filming each part that people may not have known about
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
i heard that rail is tall too.
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I really wanted to hear more about menikmati and yeah right but oh well.
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
shit like that happens all the time, especially a few years ago when board companies were still making a lot of money. Theres alot of random tricks at non cali spots that dudes flew out just to hit. I think the white square rail that Jamie skates in one of the Zero videos he flew out just to do, and Reynolds flew to Philly just to frontside flip Love Park.
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
santa barbara is like (keeping that menikmati slang) a 1,5 hour drive? this is nothing.
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
santa barbara is like (keeping that menikmati slang) a 1,5 hour drive? this is nothing.
i get that. but have you been to LA? there are a few rails here... some might say
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
Sure thing but what about one might want to hit that rail located in downtown S.F. where Cardiel did the massive 50-50?
Also: Same rail, same conditions for everyone. I guess thats the way pros compete with each other on 'the streets'.
santa barbara is like (keeping that menikmati slang) a 1,5 hour drive? this is nothing.
i get that. but have you been to LA? there are a few rails here... some might say
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ok this might be a dumb question but why did he and Atiba have to drive up to Santa Barbara from LA for a handrail? it was just the perfect rail for that trick? seems kind of crazy to me with the zillions of handrails here
Sure thing but what about one might want to hit that rail located in downtown S.F. where Cardiel did the massive 50-50?
Also: Same rail, same conditions for everyone. I guess thats the way pros compete with each other on 'the streets'.
santa barbara is like (keeping that menikmati slang) a 1,5 hour drive? this is nothing.
i get that. but have you been to LA? there are a few rails here... some might say
Maybe he loves being in Santa Barbara, everything seems right there. You know, when you go back to Santa Barbara, the rails are the right height. The concrete is the right color, kind of a greyish-white sort of thing. It just feels right.
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without traffic, la to sb is nothing. before those rails were skate-stopped you could basically get in a ton of tries, which puts you at ease. they were also just really nice rails to skate. they were like the perfect first boardslide rail.
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without traffic, la to sb is nothing. before those rails were skate-stopped you could basically get in a ton of tries, which puts you at ease. they were also just really nice rails to skate. they were like the perfect first boardslide rail.
my first handrail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sttjhw1mgI#)
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Hadn't seen that clip in awhile. That shit is priceless. I wonder if that kids on here now or still skates?
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his name is Bastien Salabanzi, he rode for Flip, had a pretty successful career
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His name's Zach, I see him around all the time.
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I always thought it was rad that he did the tre noseblunt on the SB rail...he definitely had an affinity for it. Think of all the tricks he did on it in Mouse...the line with the front blunt then crook, the front crook, nollie halfcab sw crook and back smith 180. That was definitely a rail suited for NBD's back then...like Reynold's front blunt bs flip.
Sidenote: were those episode's trying to prepare us for very few, if any, Koston clips in the chocolate video? Ty and Atiba talking about how things used to come quickly for him, How busy he is now, and how he doesn't need to put out anymore parts. I felt like they were doing the same thing in the Arto episodes.