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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: happenstance on November 14, 2012, 03:00:46 PM
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Israel Announces Gaza Invasion Via Twitter, Marks The First Time A Military Campaign Goes Public Via Tweet
http://www.fastcompany.com/3003060/israel-announces-gaza-invasion-twitter-marks-first-time-military-campaign-goes-public-tweet (http://www.fastcompany.com/3003060/israel-announces-gaza-invasion-twitter-marks-first-time-military-campaign-goes-public-tweet)
Then they post the airstrike on youtube immediately
IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P6U2ZQ0EhN4&bpctr=1352935474#)
More tweets
http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/14/liveblogging-war-israel-tweets-and-liveblogs-attack-on-hamas-rocket-site/ (http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/14/liveblogging-war-israel-tweets-and-liveblogs-attack-on-hamas-rocket-site/)
Then Hamas Tweets back.
(http://972mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/twitter.jpg)
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it seems very surreal seeing two opposing forces communicate via social media
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Put the war footage on youtube too
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This kind of stuff used to be carried on parchment by an envoy.
The Hamas tweet is far more poetic and menacing.
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The first tweet that the IDF put out is in the first link. In case you didn't click, here it is.
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2012/11/14/IDF%20tweet%20screencap.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg)
Some new tweets.
(http://rt.com/files/news/first-israel-gaza-idf-706/i94e887986909a73a99c14336032d063f_tweet.jpg)
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Anyone taking bets on how many innocent civilians are killed this time?
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Anyone taking bets on how many innocent civilians are killed this time?
nope
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
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this cant be real. i mean, theyre using fucking hashtags
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^Agreed. Have we really reached this milestone in civilization? Social warfare?
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holy fuck this is shitty
what has the world come to
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this sucks.
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Eranka, will you get called up if there'll be large scale operations?
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this is like adult jock facebook beef but they control armies
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Anyone taking bets on how many innocent civilians are killed this time?
No, but I am currently expanding my portfolio into white phosphorous and yarmulke production.
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"LOL"? Cute. This is information warfare gone regular.
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
Bullshit! Where do you get your facts?
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0da0aoY8cM&feature=player_detailpage#t=8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0da0aoY8cM&feature=player_detailpage#t=8s)
this is all so fucked up. cant wait until hamas pokes israel on facebook.
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Speaking of social media and warfare (a bit of a digression, but still) - dronestagram.tumblr.com (http://dronestagram.tumblr.com)
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If they knew how to Photoshop cocks onto people things would be way more chill.
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Anyone taking bets on how many innocent civilians are killed this time?
(http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/hamas_terror_academy.jpg)
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
Wikipedia
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If they knew how to Photoshop cocks onto people things would be way more chill.
i've heard that things escalated this time after hamas meat spun israeli
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
as a person who actually participated in the last operation i can tell you that this is false.
the firing orders were so strict when we were inside, it wasnt a firing range. we didnt get permission to fire on 99% of our positive targets because of the fear we would hurt cevillians.
i'm not saying that Israel is a 100% ok, but the figures and information that flows to the world is not accurate and almost always partial and one sided.
Eranka, will you get called up if there'll be large scale operations?
i hope not! anyway, i'm not in Israel right now so unless its something really serious like an all out war i dont think i will get called.
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
That explains it ;)
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I'm sorry you had to participate in this man.it's horrible.
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last one was 1300 palestinians including 410 childs and 100 womens vs 3 israeli civilians.
Now that's the kind of self defense i'm talking about.
the firing orders were so strict when we were inside, it wasnt a firing range. we didnt get permission to fire on 99% of our positive targets because of the fear we would hurt cevillians.
i'm not saying that Israel is a 100% ok, but the figures and information that flows to the world is not accurate and almost always partial and one sided.
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Eranka, will you get called up if there'll be large scale operations?
From human rights watch
On December 27, 2008, Israel launched ?Operation Cast Lead? ? a 22-day military campaign with the stated aim of suppressing rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. Human Rights Watch documented serious violations of the laws of war by Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups, some of which amounted to war crimes. In Gaza, more than 700 civilians died in the fighting; in Israel, 3 civilians lost their lives.
from amnesty international
Amnesty International found that the victims of the attacks it investigated were not caught in the crossfire during battles between Palestinian militants and Israeli forces, nor were they shielding militants or other military objects. Many were killed when their homes were bombed while they slept. Others were sitting in their yard or hanging the laundry on the roof. Children were struck while playing in their bedrooms or on the roof, or near their homes. Paramedics and ambulances were repeatedly attacked while attempting to rescue the wounded or recover the dead.
but yeah, we should all trust some dude who actually participated int he invasion of gaza over these organizations.
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085)
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I'm with Israel on this one. Fuck you hippie.
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The bombs are going off right now
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Conflict_on_the_Gaza_Strip/56987259 (http://live.reuters.com/Event/Conflict_on_the_Gaza_Strip/56987259)
http://rt.com/on-air/gaza-violence-hamas-israel/ (http://rt.com/on-air/gaza-violence-hamas-israel/)
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Both sides hit civilian targets. The whole situation is fucked and has been since it started back in the 40's.
Tom Waits - Road To Peace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YpvJI6eSw&noredirect=1#)
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It is such a disgusting situation over there. Fuck both sides at this point!!
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Great, another thing to feel powerless and guilty over. Fuck this shit so hard.
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It's weird, but I equate it to a room flashing over. Both sides keep radiating heat back onto each other until it all goes up in flames...
Room Flashover Videos.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqMVm72FMRk#)
Basically heat re-radiating until it all goes up in smoke.
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I'm sorry you had to participate in this man.it's horrible.
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Great, another thing to feel powerless and guilty over. Fuck this shit so hard.
there's a word for this -
Adam Curtis - Oh Dearism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moePxHpvok#ws)
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British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0#ws)
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Did you just call me a depressed hippy? Well, that's actually pretty accurate.
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oh yeah back on topic here's some premium grade goebbels shit from the IDF youtube channel,now get me some brawndo.
What Gives Israel the Right to Defend Itself? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxX6f5R4-3E&feature=plcp#ws)
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I thought we were on topic, but yeah - that video is gross.
But then, so's this:
Hamas Mickey Mouse speaks of Islamic supremacy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8#)
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interesting
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maux7eWUsA1rxzgs7o1_500.jpg)
"Hamas doesn?t put explosives in their rockets. You literally have to be HIT by one to be injured/killed. Israel: you can get killed halfway down the block."
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Israel will have to find a new subcontractor to replace Ahmed Jabari as its border guard in the south.
-By Aluf Benn-(haaretz)
Ahmed Jabari was a subcontractor, in charge of maintaining Israel's security in Gaza. This title will no doubt sound absurd to anyone who in the past several hours has heard Jabari described as "an arch-terrorist," "the terror chief of staff" or "our Bin Laden."
But that was the reality for the past five and a half years. Israel demanded of Hamas that it observe the truce in the south and enforce it on the multiplicity of armed organizations in the Gaza Strip. The man responsible for carrying out this policy was Ahmed Jabari.
In return for enforcing the quiet, which was never perfect, Israel funded the Hamas regime through the flow of shekels in armored trucks to banks in Gaza, and continued to supply infrastructure and medical services to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. Jabari was also Israel's partner in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit; it was he who ensured the captive soldier's welfare and safety, and it was he who saw to Shalit's return home last fall...
...The assassination of Jabari will go down in history as another showy military action initiated by an outgoing government on the eve of an election.
Also
2008:
"The office of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert admitted on Wednesday that it is allowing the transfer of hundreds of millions of shekels to the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip every month.
Most of the funds enter Gaza in currency exchanges for the dollars and euros Hamas smuggles into the territory following fund-raising trips to Iran and other supportive Middle East regimes..
..Shurat Hadin director Nitsana Darshan-Leitner explained that without the influx of Israeli shekels, the currency of record in Gaza, Hamas would be financially unable to rule. By allowing the entry of shekels into Gaza, Darshan-Leitner noted that Israel is breaching an economic embargo of Gaza by Western powers that Israel itself insisted upon, and is helping a terrorist organization to launder money, a direct violation of the Terror-Funding Act of 2005.
Worse, said Darshan-Leitner, is the fact that " the Israeli government's policy of transferring shekels is assisting the Hamas terrorists with their missile attacks on the Negev communities."
In response, Olmert's office wrote that "due to conclusions that there is an Israeli interest that the transfer of funds continue , a decision was made to continue to transfer certain sums of money to the Gaza Strip."
Shurat Hadin has threatened to sue the government both in local and international courts if the transfer of funds does not cease.
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British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0#ws)
mother fucking real talk
i'm glad that it's not universally accepted to take israels side these days. it's crazy that the same people who bash christians for way less offensive behavior in the us will sympathize with the israel and be offended if anyone suggest that maybe they don't have a right to exist in their country that is only 70 years old. if they want to go to war with palestine, let them go it alone. it's horrible to think that we'd get involved in their dirt.
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The IDF media officer just said 69 casualties in Gaza from latest strikes with 40% of them civilian
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British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0#ws)
mother fucking real talk
i'm glad that it's not universally accepted to take israels side these days. it's crazy that the same people who bash christians for way less offensive behavior in the us will sympathize with the israel and be offended if anyone suggest that maybe they don't have a right to exist in their country that is only 70 years old. if they want to go to war with palestine, let them go it alone. it's horrible to think that we'd get involved in their dirt.
If you want to skip my rant, just think about this- the larger and more widespread a culture is, the more violent and dominating it likely is and has been.
Christians way less offensive behavior?
You mean like killing and dominating most of the world and forcing them to convert to christianity at the point of a sword?
People in South and Central America aren't all Catholic because the Spanish made good sound logical arguments.
Also, how about the people on U.S. land before the good white christian man got here?
Killed off and forced into reservations and BIA schools to be christianized.
Then there was the Morro Massacre, in which The U.S. went in to "liberate" the Philippines but couldn't leave until we "civilized and Christianized" the already Catholic Philippine population by massacring them, children and all.
Then there was the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition and endless more times when Christians attempted to "purify" their societies by killing off anybody who wasn't exactly like them.
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Did I just watch a murder on youtube? This fucking world
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hopefully they blow each other up completely and eliminate this bullshit
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British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0#ws)
mother fucking real talk
i'm glad that it's not universally accepted to take israels side these days. it's crazy that the same people who bash christians for way less offensive behavior in the us will sympathize with the israel and be offended if anyone suggest that maybe they don't have a right to exist in their country that is only 70 years old. if they want to go to war with palestine, let them go it alone. it's horrible to think that we'd get involved in their dirt.
If you want to skip my rant, just think about this- the larger and more widespread a culture is, the more violent and dominating it likely is and has been.
Christians way less offensive behavior?
You mean like killing and dominating most of the world and forcing them to convert to christianity at the point of a sword?
People in South and Central America aren't all Catholic because the Spanish made good sound logical arguments.
Also, how about the people on U.S. land before the good white christian man got here?
Killed off and forced into reservations and BIA schools to be christianized.
Then there was the Morro Massacre, in which The U.S. went in to "liberate" the Philippines but couldn't leave until we "civilized and Christianized" the already Catholic Philippine population by massacring them, children and all.
Then there was the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition and endless more times when Christians attempted to "purify" their societies by killing off anybody who wasn't exactly like them.
You're totally correct, but he was just comparing contemporary iterations of christian extremism with today's Zionist extremism, not saying that intolerance and violence from Christians was any more infrequent or more justified. No need to bend over backwards just to make a political point.
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Yeah ok, Gipper. Now let's get back on topic.
(http://stopmakingsensedotorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/palestine-loss-of-land.jpg)
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British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0#ws)
mother fucking real talk
i'm glad that it's not universally accepted to take israels side these days. it's crazy that the same people who bash christians for way less offensive behavior in the us will sympathize with the israel and be offended if anyone suggest that maybe they don't have a right to exist in their country that is only 70 years old. if they want to go to war with palestine, let them go it alone. it's horrible to think that we'd get involved in their dirt.
If you want to skip my rant, just think about this- the larger and more widespread a culture is, the more violent and dominating it likely is and has been.
Christians way less offensive behavior?
You mean like killing and dominating most of the world and forcing them to convert to christianity at the point of a sword?
People in South and Central America aren't all Catholic because the Spanish made good sound logical arguments.
Also, how about the people on U.S. land before the good white christian man got here?
Killed off and forced into reservations and BIA schools to be christianized.
Then there was the Morro Massacre, in which The U.S. went in to "liberate" the Philippines but couldn't leave until we "civilized and Christianized" the already Catholic Philippine population by massacring them, children and all.
Then there was the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition and endless more times when Christians attempted to "purify" their societies by killing off anybody who wasn't exactly like them.
You're totally correct, but he was just comparing contemporary iterations of christian extremism with today's Zionist extremism, not saying that intolerance and violence from Christians was any more infrequent or more justified. No need to bend over backwards just to make a political point.
Well that's just a silly thing to say to Gipper.
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i guess a pound of prevention is better than an ounce of cure when it comes to Israel?
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British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0#ws)
mother fucking real talk
i'm glad that it's not universally accepted to take israels side these days. it's crazy that the same people who bash christians for way less offensive behavior in the us will sympathize with the israel and be offended if anyone suggest that maybe they don't have a right to exist in their country that is only 70 years old. if they want to go to war with palestine, let them go it alone. it's horrible to think that we'd get involved in their dirt.
If you want to skip my rant, just think about this- the larger and more widespread a culture is, the more violent and dominating it likely is and has been.
Christians way less offensive behavior?
You mean like killing and dominating most of the world and forcing them to convert to christianity at the point of a sword?
People in South and Central America aren't all Catholic because the Spanish made good sound logical arguments.
Also, how about the people on U.S. land before the good white christian man got here?
Killed off and forced into reservations and BIA schools to be christianized.
Then there was the Morro Massacre, in which The U.S. went in to "liberate" the Philippines but couldn't leave until we "civilized and Christianized" the already Catholic Philippine population by massacring them, children and all.
Then there was the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition and endless more times when Christians attempted to "purify" their societies by killing off anybody who wasn't exactly like them.
You're totally correct, but he was just comparing contemporary iterations of christian extremism with today's Zionist extremism, not saying that intolerance and violence from Christians was any more infrequent or more justified. No need to bend over backwards just to make a political point.
You mean like Joseph Kony, The Westboro Baptist Church, attacking Afghanistan, repression of gay rights, or the death penalty for homosexuality in Uganda? Yeah, contemporary too. No matter where jews, muslims, or any other religion stands, Christians are by far the worst, whether you are looking at the contemporary world or not.
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That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
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That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
He's right, Arabs having been enslaving and conquering since their inception. Some of them still do. Christians have a TON of blood on their folded hands, but not as much in comparison.
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What are you talking about? Arabs aren't a religion. And if you mean Muslims, you're wrong. Either way, let's not derail this thread. (Says he, naively)
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What are you talking about? Arabs aren't a religion. And if you mean Muslims, you're wrong. Either way, let's not derail this thread. (Says he, naively)
You're right, I screwed the pooch calling them arabs instead and I feel like that mistake may discredit my arguement, but I'm not wrong about what I said.
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Israel should be condemned in their own right despite all the shit committed by other religions, but some Christians have blood on their hands for this one too. Here's Mitt Romney saying that part of his faith is that Jesus will kill all the Jews. And it's not just the Mormons. The idea is that the Jews need to defeat/kill the Palestinians and occupy the holy land before Apocalypse begins and then they all get killed by Jesus. It's one of the reasons AIPAC/Israel gets such heavy support from Evangelicals and other conservative Christian denominations.
Mitt Romney: "The war to kill all the Jews" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW6NJgj07hU#)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionist)
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No ones questioning how regular and crazy mormonism is; it's an established fact. While Israel's actions are becoming more and more questionable, palestine's methods, actions, and motive are all fucked.
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No ones questioning how regular and crazy mormonism is; it's an established fact. While Israel's actions are becoming more and more questionable, palestine's methods, actions, and motive are all fucked.
Methods and actions perhaps, but not motive. Most of the people of Palestine are peaceful people who are fucked by a terrible situation, there are plenty of peaceful Israelis getting fucked by the conflict and violence too, but to a far lesser extent.
The fact is neither of the military factions are pursuing peace through understanding, and think peace won't come until the other side is wiped out, neither will succeed, and both will end up killing countless civillians.
Oh, and George W. Bush had a very "pro-Israel" stance in the AIPAC sense of the word for the very same reason mentioned above.
That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
Explain to me how. Tell me how Christianity spread so strongly across central and South America if it wasn't through intense violence. I'm not defending the actions of Israel here, I'm just pointing out that its completely wrong to act like the Jews or Muslims even can be compared to the violence that has occurred and continues in the name of Christendom.
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That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
Explain to me how. Tell me how Christianity spread so strongly across central and South America if it wasn't through intense violence. I'm not defending the actions of Israel here, I'm just pointing out that its completely wrong to act like the Jews or Muslims even can be compared to the violence that has occurred and continues in the name of Christendom.
I think you are missing a word up there, but If you are saying that Christianity is comparable to Jihadists in the modern world you are high. I would say that both sides were pretty even at forcing their religion onto others up to a certain time period. Do you think that American anti-gay, anti-Islamic hate speech is the same thing as shooting a little girl in the head from point blank range for not being a proper Talibani Muslim? If you are going to compare the Taliban to an American Christian soldier...do you honestly believe that American soldiers are fighting in the name of Christianity and their interpretation of the Bible or because they saw their country attacked by jihadists? Does it suck when some lunatic domestic-terrorist kills a Sikh or guns down children who are affiliated with "multiculturalism"? Yes, but it seems like more of a reaction to Islamic terrorism rather than this neo-Crusades bullshit you are trying to sell. You seem to just hate Christians because of your personal sociopolitical disagreements and are poorly attempting to reinforce your hatred for them.
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Are you guys arguing which religion is the worst?to me they're all equally responsible for dumbing down and in the end destroying humanity.
1947's results of the UN Partition Plan for Palestine vote
Obvious programmed bloodbath?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/UNGA_181_Map.png/800px-UNGA_181_Map.png)
Green: In favor
Red : Against
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Russia is big.
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That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
Explain to me how. Tell me how Christianity spread so strongly across central and South America if it wasn't through intense violence. I'm not defending the actions of Israel here, I'm just pointing out that its completely wrong to act like the Jews or Muslims even can be compared to the violence that has occurred and continues in the name of Christendom.
I think you are missing a word up there, but If you are saying that Christianity is comparable to Jihadists in the modern world you are high. I would say that both sides were pretty even at forcing their religion onto others up to a certain time period. Do you think that American anti-gay, anti-Islamic hate speech is the same thing as shooting a little girl in the head from point blank range for not being a proper Talibani Muslim? If you are going to compare the Taliban to an American Christian soldier...do you honestly believe that American soldiers are fighting in the name of Christianity and their interpretation of the Bible or because they saw their country attacked by jihadists? Does it suck when some lunatic domestic-terrorist kills a Sikh or guns down children who are affiliated with "multiculturalism"? Yes, but it seems like more of a reaction to Islamic terrorism rather than this neo-Crusades bullshit you are trying to sell. You seem to just hate Christians because of your personal sociopolitical disagreements and are poorly attempting to reinforce your hatred for them.
You clearly don't understand international issues at all. Do you really think Jihadists would have any power if it weren't for Christian Imperialism the world over? Christian society takes over nations and kill anybody who resists to this day. The extremist Jews in Israel got their entire playbook from Christian imperialists.
Most people in countries with Jihadists in them hate the Jihadists, until Americans and Europeans attack them, at which point they rally behind them as the protectors against the imperialist west. There basically wouldn't be a jihadi movement if it weren't for western encroachment. The U.S. has several bases along the Hegira in Saudi Arabia, there has NEVER been that kind of encroachment on Christians, and if there were, it would be World War 3.
The simple fact is that Christians don't realize how intense and violent the fight to Christianize the world is because there is never a magnifying glass on their actions the way it is on every religion in the world.
There was an interview I just saw out there with a young anti-Hamas activist in Gaza, she said that as soon as Israel attacked, the anti-hamas actions ended temporarily, since they now feel that they need to rally behind them as the only armed forces as they are being attacked. From my perspective that seems to be pretty self-destructive, but it is a common perspective of people in Gaza, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan.
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i wasn't trying to start the who's worst contest. i was pointing that the israeli is bad and it's annoying that we get their back for no good reason. let them commit their own attrocities and leave us out of it.
or do you feel that palestine's land wasn't stolen? see the map that was posted earlier. that's straight bullshit. and for us to act like because of some stupid religous text that is justified is just making the bigger problem worst. it makes it a catholic\jew vs islam instead of a palestine vs israeli issue.
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lets send all the africans back to africa and all the jews back to jewfrica
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romney for president 2013
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That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
Explain to me how. Tell me how Christianity spread so strongly across central and South America if it wasn't through intense violence. I'm not defending the actions of Israel here, I'm just pointing out that its completely wrong to act like the Jews or Muslims even can be compared to the violence that has occurred and continues in the name of Christendom.
Taliban behavior is based more on Pashtunvali tribal codes than Islamic scripture. The Taliban's particular brand of Sharia law is usually dismissed as un-islamic, so the term "Talibani Muslim" is really too narrow to make any sense in a broader discussion about the violent aspects of Christianity and (sunni) Islam.
Also, I assume that you're referring to Anders Behring Breivik when you're talking about gunning down children associated with multiculturalism. What do you mean when you say that type of actions suck, but are "more of a reaction to Islamic terrorism"?
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Christian extremism and xenophobia in the US is definitely not a reaction to Islamic extremism, although it may in part be a reaction to multiculturalism. The Westboro Baptist Church has been around since the 1950s, long before 9/11 or even the Irianian Revolution. Basically these attitudes exist anywhere wherever there are ignorant and fearful people willing to assign all of society's ills to the corrosive influence of the "other".
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Bomb Explodes Right Near Anderson Cooper During Live Report From Gaza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X22QHxrwp_E#)
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That is the biggest pile of shit, Gipper.
Explain to me how. Tell me how Christianity spread so strongly across central and South America if it wasn't through intense violence. I'm not defending the actions of Israel here, I'm just pointing out that its completely wrong to act like the Jews or Muslims even can be compared to the violence that has occurred and continues in the name of Christendom.
I think you are missing a word up there, but If you are saying that Christianity is comparable to Jihadists in the modern world you are high. I would say that both sides were pretty even at forcing their religion onto others up to a certain time period. Do you think that American anti-gay, anti-Islamic hate speech is the same thing as shooting a little girl in the head from point blank range for not being a proper Talibani Muslim? If you are going to compare the Taliban to an American Christian soldier...do you honestly believe that American soldiers are fighting in the name of Christianity and their interpretation of the Bible or because they saw their country attacked by jihadists? Does it suck when some lunatic domestic-terrorist kills a Sikh or guns down children who are affiliated with "multiculturalism"? Yes, but it seems like more of a reaction to Islamic terrorism rather than this neo-Crusades bullshit you are trying to sell. You seem to just hate Christians because of your personal sociopolitical disagreements and are poorly attempting to reinforce your hatred for them.
Not so long ago Indigenous people were massacred in the name of manifest destiny, or the idea of extending Christian freedom. They're still being subjugated on reservations. BIA schools were open until the 1970s. So don't come out with neo-Crusades bullshit that you are trying to sell. Do you honestly believe that American interpretation of the Bible doesn't not fuel deluded notions of American exceptionalism? I'm not, in any way, saying that there is any sort of religious extremist who is better than another. America was built upon the faith that it IS the promised land, that's what Manifest Destiny is all about, and again, why most American's are so willing to shout hoorah for American superiority, making many willing to die for it without looking to past the end of their nose, much like those who are willing to fight for what they've been told is a path to Allah.
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Are we talking about the last two decades or are we talking about pre-1900's? The massacre of American natives is not was I was talking about. Look, I just think that's it's the fear of multiculturalism and white nationalism fueling American exceptionalism and modern wars (combined with the influence of money). I'm not convinced that Christianity plays as large of a role as you all think. I'm not saying that there are absolutely no instances of violent Christian extremism, but it just seems minute when compared to the amount of violence associated with Islam.
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Are we talking about the last two decades or are we talking about pre-1900's? The massacre of American natives is not was I was talking about. Look, I just think that's it's the fear of multiculturalism and white nationalism fueling American exceptionalism and modern wars (combined with the influence of money). I'm not convinced that Christianity plays as large of a role as you all think. I'm not saying that there are absolutely no instances of violent Christian extremism, but it just seems minute when compared to the amount of violence associated with Islam.
Again, as Christianity is so deeply unconsciously ingrained in the collective American mindset, as the foundation that the nation is crumbling upon, it can (but shouldn't be) be difficult to see how prevalent and powerful it is today, especially when combined with, as you say, a fear of multiculturalism and white nationalism. Don't forget about how often GW Bush invoked God when talking about the American missions overseas. If i'm not mistaken he claimed to have been appointed by God. His government started, you know, just a couple of wars against Muslim nations.
Here's something from 10 years ago, think on it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2921345.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2921345.stm)
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Do you really think Jihadists would have any power if it weren't for Christian Imperialism the world over? Christian society takes over nations and kill anybody who resists to this day. The extremist Jews in Israel got their entire playbook from Christian imperialists.
Why do you call it Christian Imperialism and Christian society, rather than American Imperialism or Capitalist society? I think even the term American Imperialism is a tad outdated, unless you are a proud PRK citizen. American interventionism seems more appropriate in this age.
Most people in countries with Jihadists in them hate the Jihadists, until Americans and Europeans attack them, at which point they rally behind them as the protectors against the imperialist west. There basically wouldn't be a jihadi movement if it weren't for western encroachment.
Not disagreeing with your points above, but why not villianize the Russians while you're at it? Why do you have to insist on thinking the West is the only problem child. I think it's a stretch to say there wouldn't be a jihadi movement without western encroachment. That's a hypothetical situation. Perhaps they'd all be flying planes into buildings in Moscow and bombing Russian destroyers too if it weren't for Western encroachment.
The U.S. has several bases along the Hegira in Saudi Arabia, there has NEVER been that kind of encroachment on Christians, and if there were, it would be World War 3.
We are allies with Saudi Arabia and we pay them for those bases. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the Kingdom seems content with us there. Perhaps the jihadists in Saudi Arabia should focus their attacks inwards for once.
The simple fact is that Christians don't realize how intense and violent the fight to Christianize the world is because there is never a magnifying glass on their actions the way it is on every religion in the world.
This more or less sounds like a conspiracy theory.
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i wasn't trying to start the who's worst contest. i was pointing that the israeli is bad and it's annoying that we get their back for no good reason. let them commit their own attrocities and leave us out of it.
or do you feel that palestine's land wasn't stolen? see the map that was posted earlier. that's straight bullshit. and for us to act like because of some stupid religous text that is justified is just making the bigger problem worst. it makes it a catholic\jew vs islam instead of a palestine vs israeli issue.
Back on topic. Yes, Palestine's land is being stolen and it's making things so much worse. Supposedly the last U.S. president to take a stand against illegal settlements was George Bush Sr. Since then the U.S. has been too cowardly to stand up to Israel.
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Chock full of that- you are simply stupid. I'm sorry I even tried conversing with you. Some day you will realize what "dominant culture" means and will realize what a stupid and ignorant asshole you are. Do you really think Native American oppression ended before the 20th century? Somebody needs to tell Leonard Peltier. I'm sure he'll be really happy to know that in the jail cell he has been in for 30+ years for defending the reservation. The second battle of wounded knee was in the 1970's you fucking moron!
Oh, and I love how I said European forces and then you said "What about Russia?" Where do you think Russia is exactly? hahaha. Idiot.
And Sleazy, I think Texas was stolen from Mexico. Shouldn't be America. Its fucking disgusting how your governor talks about electrifying the fence so Mexicans can't get back into their home country. What's that you say? You can't just evacuate an entire civilization from an area over a generation after they populated it, and despite the illegitimate way it was populated you still call it home?
Texans can NEVER take the moral high ground.
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Gipper has all the prophecy we'll never need. Thankyou, oh mighty Oracle.
Although unfortunately I sort of agree with you on this occasion.
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Chock full of that- you are simply stupid. I'm sorry I even tried conversing with you. Some day you will realize what "dominant culture" means and will realize what a stupid and ignorant asshole you are. Do you really think Native American oppression ended before the 20th century? Somebody needs to tell Leonard Peltier. I'm sure he'll be really happy to know that in the jail cell he has been in for 30+ years for defending the reservation. The second battle of wounded knee was in the 1970's you fucking moron!
Oh, and I love how I said European forces and then you said "What about Russia?" Where do you think Russia is exactly? hahaha. Idiot.
I guarantee that you were talking about NATO Europe and America when you said "imperialist west" and "western encroachment." Please, You rotten little cunt, provide me with more evidence because it's a pitiful attempt...one incident in the 1970's? And what is your proof that it was religiously motivated? Actually, I'd rather you not answer and somebody like steve or weedpop did.
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Chock full of that- you are simply stupid. I'm sorry I even tried conversing with you. Some day you will realize what "dominant culture" means and will realize what a stupid and ignorant asshole you are. Do you really think Native American oppression ended before the 20th century? Somebody needs to tell Leonard Peltier. I'm sure he'll be really happy to know that in the jail cell he has been in for 30+ years for defending the reservation. The second battle of wounded knee was in the 1970's you fucking moron!
Oh, and I love how I said European forces and then you said "What about Russia?" Where do you think Russia is exactly? hahaha. Idiot.
And Sleazy, I think Texas was stolen from Mexico. Shouldn't be America. Its fucking disgusting how your governor talks about electrifying the fence so Mexicans can't get back into their home country. What's that you say? You can't just evacuate an entire civilization from an area over a generation after they populated it, and despite the illegitimate way it was populated you still call it home?
Texans can NEVER take the moral high ground.
And you're a condescending piece of shit that lives in a black and white bubble with no shades of grey.
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You're either stupid, immoral, or The Gipper.
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ISRAEL IS A MOUSETRAP
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzE3kxPe7CI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzE3kxPe7CI)
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PENIS.
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AQ and Taliban also has a war against the ISAF twitter account. Not as much "lol" as this one though...
The whole situation is fucked up beyond belief, and has been like that since before Jesus was born. The independent State of Israel in 1948 is just the latest major thing to fuel the fire. There is no "right" or "wrong" side in the whole conflict. Israel has a superior military power (hey Israel, you're pretty smart, considering that you have no friends bordering to you), but they have an unacceptable amount of collateral damage. Hamas on the other side, is a bunch of filthy terrorist scumbags which I'll never side with.
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The "united nations" and israel created the hamas.
They're actually still financing and manipulating the hamas to justify their religious war
and ultimately to keep the power in Israel.
And they're doing a great job.
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I wish the peace negotiations were powered by Gipper's sense of self-satisfaction
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People who can't do, teach.
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I hope this treaty works out well. Also I read an article on yahoo about the truce and I think hamas is under the impression that they were winning. ???
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I'll take it by the array of people throwing out insults and trying to tell me what I meant in order to win their argument that many of you are upset about what I am saying, but know that you don't have shit to say back in terms of facts.
Children, its not my fault you are too stupid to respond with anything.
And chock full of that- are you fucking kidding me? One incident?!? Do you think that Indian Reservations don't exist anymore? You stupid fucking cracker.
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Haha you're fucking pathetic
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I'll take it by the array of people throwing out insults
You stupid fucking cracker.
In the same fucking post.
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