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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Willie on July 27, 2014, 01:16:16 PM
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Less popular Pros, guys who never made it past the Am stage, dudes trapped on shit sponsors, Local Heroes, Friends - who do you think should have had a bigger skate career or gotten more recognition?
I'll nominate J. R. Neves (RIP). First time I saw him he was skating with Dustin Dollin and both of them were on an unreal level of consistency and very similar ability-wise. Always thought JR would have fit in with Baker guys or someone like that but he was also a straight up park destroyer. Huge boned out airs, ollie in/ollie out 5-0s at speed; could have gone the Anti-Creature route had that been his thing. Dude ripped so hard but I don't think the footage he put out ever properly conveyed it. He didn't seem too interested in selling himself so it was probably difficult to get built up by west coast sponsors as an east coaster but I remember watching JR vs. other Pros and wondering how he wasn't a bigger deal (no height puns intended).
Also deceased and arguably more famous now, Tim Brauch didn't get much notoriety when he was alive but probably would have been more popular in the decade after his death when skating fast became cool again.
Who do you guys got?
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Willie Santos... is that you?
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Tim von Werne.
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Back then (1993-2005) IMO, a pro with a household name was less of a death sentence in terms of career longevity. Today, dudes are better off staying underrated or underground. The commercial lime light of skateboarding today is something that intelligent skateboarders should stand at distance from.
If I had to nominate a dude that should have had a bigger career, I nominate Evan Hernandez.
Evan Hernandez Section- Transworld In Bloom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoo380X9kI#)
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Dave bachinsky is currently being screwd over . Can slap do anything about that ?
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Nate Jones
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Nate Broussard has always been one of my favorites but always seemed doomed sponserwise or maybe just was never that serious about pursuing a skate career.
http://youtu.be/0aQlzFARUzs (http://youtu.be/0aQlzFARUzs)
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Tim Brauch was pretty big before he passed.
I don't know if I'd put him in that group. JR was amazing in person , I completely agree.
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Danny gonzales
dave bachinsky
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Jeremy Wray. Maybe he's just a total asshole or something but I always felt he shoulda been huge
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E3uqT5FUXc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E3uqT5FUXc#)
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Jani Laitala
Gailea Momolu
Kenny Anderson
All 3 are unreal talents yet they all get screwed over
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Jeremy Wray. Maybe he's just a total asshole or something but I always felt he shoulda been huge
he's the nicest guy ever and also had/has a solid 20 year career on some amazing teams. Sure, he is sometimes unfairly missed out of people's legends lists, but as far as careers go he's done just fine.
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jeremy reeves was dope
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trainwreck was heavey. THE man.
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Russ Milligan and Javier Sarmiento
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Ricky oyola, Devon connell , ron deily Steve durante
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jeremy reeves was dope
so underrated
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Jeremy Wray. Maybe he's just a total asshole or something but I always felt he shoulda been huge
he's the nicest guy ever and also had/has a solid 20 year career on some amazing teams. Sure, he is sometimes unfairly missed out of people's legends lists, but as far as careers go he's done just fine.
Yeah I was going to say , he has legend status and been on some of the biggest and best teams , covers and video parts .
maybe didnt make the most money , but he did fine and is a living legend
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John Motta unless he's starting his own company.
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joey bast
drake jones
dan peterka
chany jhkdlbifabwiibqrvhkbdsjguin
brian lotti
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yonnie cruz
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unfortunately Cale's body gave way.
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Tommy Gurrola.
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Alex Chalmers
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Dave Abair?
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Alex Chalmers
Phil Shao too.....
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Alfonso Fernandez, Jesus Fernandez's brother. I'm not sure if he was pro but damn he was good. I used to see these dudes at the USC ledges killing it. Last I heard he's super into bicycles.
The "good ol' days" when axion was a heavy shoe company.
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Jesus & Alfonso Fernandez - LA County (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMC6l056ac#)
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Jani Laitala
Gailea Momolu
Kenny Anderson
All 3 are unreal talents yet they all get screwed over
How is Kenny Anderson being screwed over?
Signature shoe on Converse, Solid career with Chocolate. Dudes doing pretty well.
I have to agree 100% with Gailea. That dude kills.
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Wil Taylor. I don't think he ever even had a pro model.
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Tommy Gurrola.
This dude still kills it. Rips. Homies if mine still skate a this dude. On point. I think he got heavy on weed and shit. But seems to be back to killing it. Style for days. Not longer a knock off Leo Romero. Kinda found himself it seems.
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Maybe Adam Alfaro. Can't help but think he would have been a bigger deal had he not stayed loyal to an imploding Black Label (which I guess is a fucked up thing to say).
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Phil Shao too.....
I'd love to have seen what Tim Brauch and Phil Shao would have done had they not passed on too soon.
What's pretty sad is that their heyday was during the period where tech ruled and most of us just didn't have a full appreciation for ATV skills for those who could fuck up anything in their path. They both would have had their glory if they'd lived through the early 2000s, sucks when we lose the good ones too quickly.
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Would have loved to see Jason Lee stick to skateboarding.. All the dudes on Menace and Cream..
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Tim Brauch and Phil Shao were really popular
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I'd love to have seen what Tim Brauch and Phil Shao would have done had they not passed on too soon.
What's pretty sad is that their heyday was during the period where tech ruled and most of us just didn't have a full appreciation for ATV skills for those who could fuck up anything in their path. They both would have had their glory if they'd lived through the early 2000s, sucks when we lose the good ones too quickly.
I think Phil was started to get really respected, what people don't remember is that he was just as good at tech street skating as your average pro from that era. The reason he never got much shine was more about him being on Think than being in the wrong era, think about all the great dudes on that company that have had pretty pedestrain careers until they moved on. Pat Duffy rode for think forever after Plan B, does anyone remember that? he even turned down a chance to ride for Hollywood to stay loyal to think. Dan Drehobl always had a loyal following but he would've been a lot bigger if he woulda bounced from Think way before he did. That company was a bit of a black hole for people that rode for them, maybe they found a way to pay well or those dudes were just the coolest dudes ever but ithink a lot of people wasted their careers by choosing to stay loyal to Think.
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Danny Renaud. I feel like before he had his fall that his skating was moving into a very raw area. He used to have such finesse and power. I think he could've been the undisputed greatest east coast skater of all time.
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Ronnie Bertino
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzaBUXu2Gd8 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzaBUXu2Gd8)
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jim gagne. he tried. oh my god did he try!
i personally was a fan of the juxtaposition of bullying, odd trick selections and britpop that southie consistently delivered. he wasn't the greatest but he worked for it/was interesting to watch.
i was always wicked curious about telly and casper. telly had minimal coverage [i mean maybe 3 tricks] in mags and videos.
gizmo [he was like Jaws except he only lasted a few ads].
mike bell. while mike graham's sharp wigger jaw uttered embarassing chatter on Fit, mike bell quietly ripped boston and faded outta the mags. see also kyle vadeboncuer for losing my favorite game, losing his mind again.......
really wished leonard kirk would've followed up timecode asides that bit of EMB footage he had.
ricky o, i'd be happy if there were more youtube of him, nevermind cash in his pockets goin jing-aling-aling. add matt reason and polish vanilla ice serge trudnoski.
elissa steamer. just like jackie robinson wasn't the first black baseball pro, elissa wasn't the first girl pro but her rippery should have left her a millionaire. alas.
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Jani Laitala
Gailea Momolu
Kenny Anderson
All 3 are unreal talents yet they all get screwed over
How is Kenny Anderson being screwed over?
Signature shoe on Converse, Solid career with Chocolate. Dudes doing pretty well.
I have to agree 100% with Gailea. That dude kills.
Gailea gave up on his own though to be one of Canada's biggest club promoters
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evan shiefelbine. love this part, and the song is pretty nice too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFAPFNLeaQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFAPFNLeaQ)
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evren stallion
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Jani Laitala
Gailea Momolu
Kenny Anderson
All 3 are unreal talents yet they all get screwed over
Kenny Anderson? He's had a great career. Multiple pro shoes, and rides for fucking Chocolate. Dude is known for having one of the best styles ever and had been around since the early 90s. Definitely doesn't belong in this list.
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Dave Abair?
backing this
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I always wondered why Alex Moul got the boot from Flip (too much partying?), he was always one of my favorites - loved his 411 footage in the early 2000's.
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what was the story with elissa steamer and zero? didn't she try to go to krooked or something and it didn't work out so when she went back to jt he wouldn't put her back on? maybe i'm dreaming but i feel like i remember seeing that in an interview. she should be on 3d. surprised she isn't unless she doesn't skate anymore.
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John Motta unless he's starting his own company.
No fucking kidding. He has been killing it for years. Out of all the dudes Nike has been putting on lately, I do not understand how he has not been one of them.
Also, someone mentioned, Nate Broussard. I totally back that. Dude rips. Is he still on Roger?
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what happened to yaje popson
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Mike Barker, Legend status.
mike barker - meet the barkers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ysu4pwvpo#)
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van wastell and devine calloway........and roger mancha the fake ass paulo diaz......and paulo diaz too.
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derek fukuhara deserves to get paid.
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I feel like SLAP got Pete Eldridge's career re-started.
I was very proud to see that go down. Dude is in my top 10 easy.
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Caswell Berry. One of the best.
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Shane Heyl. Daniel Castillo.
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Also backing this...
Cairo Foster has had a solid career and i think doesnt get enough mentions..though he was in the lakai video thats pretty big
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Also backing this...
Cairo Foster has had a solid career and i think doesnt get enough mentions..though he was in the lakai video thats pretty big
He's had some big video parts, but I agree, he hasn't gotten his.
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derek fukuhara deserves to get paid.
cosign dude has creative tricks. At least he's getting apple model money. I wish he can get on a cool company if not he can help revitalize Powell thru his bones wheels connect
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Apple money?
What was dudes last part? I remember seeing one part where he had a ponytail and looked like he could do anything he wanted on a board. Like some trilogy shit.
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duc and john
jp jadeed
tom krauser
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I feel like SLAP got Pete Eldridge's career re-started.
I was very proud to see that go down. Dude is in my top 10 easy.
Im probably going to get kooked a lot for saying this, but Pete Eldridge is milking it hard as fuck ever since his comeback. He was getting some coverage back when he got on Mystery, but I have no idea how he is on Adidas getting big money, and Cliche probably pays well too. A bunch of switch ollies and fs 180? Good Style isnt everything..
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Can I nominate Scott Kane? I guess his lack of success was very much due to injury, but had he never been seriously injured, how good could he have been? I genuinely think he should be considered as one of the best pure handrail shredders of all time.
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trainwreck was heavey. THE man.
The injuries and the partying got to him. Damn shame. His part in In Bloom is one of my absolute favorites.
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damian bravo
john kroesser
jimmy mcdonald
damian smith
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I feel like SLAP got Pete Eldridge's career re-started.
I was very proud to see that go down. Dude is in my top 10 easy.
Im probably going to get kooked a lot for saying this, but Pete Eldridge is milking it hard as fuck ever since his comeback. He was getting some coverage back when he got on Mystery, but I have no idea how he is on Adidas getting big money, and Cliche probably pays well too. A bunch of switch ollies and fs 180? Good Style isnt everything..
What would you rather see... A massive switch frontside ollie over something from flat... or Nyjah waxing his legs?
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Chris Troy!
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Since this thread got de-railed....I'll mention the main dude who got shafted.....Dave Mayhew never got his respect & he deserved a pro model on Osiris
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Chris Troy!
Jub
caswell
most of all.. Levi Brown, dude is slept on so hard
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Jub
caswell
most of all.. Levi Brown, dude is slept on so hard
Well, he is getting that Element and New Balance money, so Im sure he is doing fine, but as far as coverage goes, yeah, would be nice to see more of him.
And as far as Pete Eldridge goes, Im not saying I dont want to see a masive switch fs 180, but Im sure he is capable of way more, especially if he is getting Adidas check and colorways.
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caswell
most of all.. Levi Brown, dude is slept on so hard
Well, he is getting that Element and New Balance money, so Im sure he is doing fine, but as far as coverage goes, yeah, would be nice to see more of him.
And as far as Pete Eldridge goes, Im not saying I dont want to see a masive switch fs 180, but Im sure he is capable of way more, especially if he is getting Adidas check and colorways.
shit i forgot hes on NB .. still though, never enough levi footage! one of the best 360 flips in the game
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Brian Barber
John White
Robbie Mckinley
Armando Barajas
Brian Emmers
Henry Sanchez
Pat Brennan (RIP)
Steve Ortega
Gideon Choi
Matt Beach
Bastien Salabanzi
Julien Stranger
Adrian Williams
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Casey Rigney
Casey Rigney Promo 2011 - Arcade Skateboards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpTEs_WpDZs#)
Casey Rigney is Pro, presented by The Autobahn Wheel Company (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGaNMsdxyo#)
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Pat Corcoran
Rail and hubba beast.
Pat Corcoran - Alien Workshop Photosynthesis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1dqSi7o5eo#)
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duc and john
jp jadeed
tom krauser
Anyone got any footage of his slam? I remember seeing a sequence on transworld back in the day, and it was pretty sketchy.
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Cale Nuske for sure
Everyone Shark Tits mentioned, especially that dude Gizmo, I've heard brief rumblings about that dude but never seen any footage
I know his career isn't over yet but Justin Eldridge has definitely been dealt a pretty shitty hand so far
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Some of the guys mentioned were really big, but skateboarding was just a lot smaller at the time (Brauch, Wray, etc) so maybe the level of measurable success was just different. Brauch killed street but it seemed like he ended up with a "park/tranny skater" label when all-street-all-the-time was where a lot of the focus and popularity similar deal with Speyer.
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Three pages and no mention of Ronnie Creager?
Gob - "Come on!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOpH4R6SkNA#)
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Shuriken.
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Flo Marfaing - If there was any justice he should have stacked enough from his talent to never have to work again.
Same goes for Javier Sarmiento.
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.....Dave Mayhew never got his respect
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Three pages and no mention of Ronnie Creager?
Gob - "Come on!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOpH4R6SkNA#)
Ronnie Creager is at legend status and had a pro shoe with es. The industry is sleeping on him now because every company that can afford to sponsor Creager has their thumbs up their sphincters.
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/es-shoes-creager-pro-1999.jpg)
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Three pages and no mention of Ronnie Creager?
Gob - "Come on!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOpH4R6SkNA#)
Ronnie Creager is at legend status and had a pro shoe with es. The industry is sleeping on him now because every company that can afford to sponsor Creager has their thumbs up their sphincters.
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/es-shoes-creager-pro-1999.jpg)
He spent his pro career on Blind and hasn't had a shoe sponsor in over 10 years, despite skating better than kids half his age.
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Casey Rigney and Jess McCraney are my picks.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DuRmYAYdpQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DuRmYAYdpQ#)
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Three pages and no mention of Ronnie Creager?
Gob - "Come on!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOpH4R6SkNA#)
Ronnie Creager is at legend status and had a pro shoe with es. The industry is sleeping on him now because every company that can afford to sponsor Creager has their thumbs up their sphincters.
I totally agree with you. Dwindle dudes can crossover to crailtap, there's hope.
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Damian Bravo. Used to skate with him in high school. Dude killed it so hard. Big shit. I think the injury bug got him.
Devine Calloway. So silky. Better fit for Chocolate than hurley Berle, and Raven. (Even though they both kill it.) Too bad about his ankle.
It makes you realize how lucky someone like Koston is to have never had serious injury issues. He should count his lucky stars. Instead he puts teenagers on blast on Insta.
Roger Mancha. GTFO.
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I feel like SLAP got Pete Eldridge's career re-started.
I was very proud to see that go down. Dude is in my top 10 easy.
Im probably going to get kooked a lot for saying this, but Pete Eldridge is milking it hard as fuck ever since his comeback. He was getting some coverage back when he got on Mystery, but I have no idea how he is on Adidas getting big money, and Cliche probably pays well too. A bunch of switch ollies and fs 180? Good Style isnt everything..
You're wrong, it is everything.
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
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Jeremy Wray should have been on the cover of Wheaties boxes.
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Three pages and no mention of Ronnie Creager?
Gob - "Come on!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOpH4R6SkNA#)
Ronnie Creager is at legend status and had a pro shoe with es. The industry is sleeping on him now because every company that can afford to sponsor Creager has their thumbs up their sphincters.
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/es-shoes-creager-pro-1999.jpg)
he was on nadia,etnies then adio that wasn't ten years ago that was 4.
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Chris Dobstaff. Least marketable guy, amazing skater.
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
He's sick - his part with that Radiohead song in the Florida video with Ben Gore and Cromer (SkateFL2 I think it was) was really good. On that tip, Brian Botelho always looked super rad to me and never got a lot of shine. Saw him skate with Downey in person in SF and he rips.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
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Jeremy Wray. Maybe he's just a total asshole or something but I always felt he shoulda been huge
that dude should be getting tons of nike money...
Cant believe he is an asshole either. Ive talked to jonas and jeremy before, and theyre superfriendly guys...
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
dela on habitat
josh matthews on organika now and on es before that failing and then going on to huf
cody mcentire on blind and vox
manny on echo and rockstar energy drink axion etc etc
basically where I'm getting at is there was more than a few dudes who made it out of that camp
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Danny Renaud. I feel like before he had his fall that his skating was moving into a very raw area. He used to have such finesse and power. I think he could've been the undisputed greatest east coast skater of all time.
beat me to the punch. if dude hadn't left habitat he could have been a janoski-like figure.
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
dela on habitat
josh matthews on organika now and on es before that failing and then going on to huf
cody mcentire on blind and vox
manny on echo and rockstar energy drink axion etc etc
basically where I'm getting at is there was more than a few dudes who made it out of that camp
That's not what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about the dudes who stayed in that camp, not how things panned out after for those who left. I'm talking about Russ Milligan, Danny Fuenzalida, Adrian Williams, Jeremy Reeves, etc. The way you're framing it you might as well include Daryl Angel, Lizard King, Dan Drehobl and the Butcher.
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tony tave
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Russ Milligan needs to get paid. Dude is fucking amazing. He should be on Habitat instead of Danny Garcia. That would be awesome!!!!!
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Speyer
Julien
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Henry Sanchez, if the guy didn't keep falling out with sponsors he'd be mentioned with Koston, Carroll and Daewon as one of the greatest street skaters of all time. Outside of that Devine Calloway, Trainwreck, Scott Kane, and I really thought little Jav was gonna be big shit just never broke right for him.
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Todd Falcon
Doug Brown
Pine
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wtf! dennis durrant!
Dennis Durrant - Part & Parcel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP4-v07snoE#)
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
dela on habitat
josh matthews on organika now and on es before that failing and then going on to huf
cody mcentire on blind and vox
manny on echo and rockstar energy drink axion etc etc
basically where I'm getting at is there was more than a few dudes who made it out of that camp
you didn't clarify that. But even so dudes there got legitimate sponsors when they was on think. josh got on es and huf while he was on. lee got on osiris when he was on
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Dave bachinsky is currently being screwd over . Can slap do anything about that ?
Bachinsky screwed himself over by showcasing his personality. Being a red neck whole loves cigarettes and hamburgers is not what sells boards.
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Aaron Harrison
This part always got me hyped to skate.
Aaron Harrison - Zero Thrill Of It All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UbIgGR3DFI#)
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I'm gonna go ahead say Kenny Hoyle if he wasn't already mentioned.
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vimeo.com/33126924
Cut the bullshit tho
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austen Seaholm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4CBLqSJJF0o#)
Austin seaholm was in that class of super dudes kicking everyone ass in contest (like nyjah, sheck, ortiz, i think duncombe too) thought he was gonna get scoped up just like the rest of the. then he sorta fell off. He still wins random contest in Europe and asia, but not skating against any big names
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
dela on habitat
josh matthews on organika now and on es before that failing and then going on to huf
cody mcentire on blind and vox
manny on echo and rockstar energy drink axion etc etc
basically where I'm getting at is there was more than a few dudes who made it out of that camp
you didn't clarify that. But even so dudes there got legitimate sponsors when they was on think. josh got on es and huf while he was on. lee got on osiris when he was on
HAHA, YOU THINK MANNY SHOULD HAVE A BETTER CARRER HAHAHAHAH
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
dela on habitat
josh matthews on organika now and on es before that failing and then going on to huf
cody mcentire on blind and vox
manny on echo and rockstar energy drink axion etc etc
basically where I'm getting at is there was more than a few dudes who made it out of that camp
you didn't clarify that. But even so dudes there got legitimate sponsors when they was on think. josh got on es and huf while he was on. lee got on osiris when he was on
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austen Seaholm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4CBLqSJJF0o#)
Austin seaholm was in that class of super dudes kicking everyone ass in contest (like nyjah, sheck, ortiz, i think duncombe too) thought he was gonna get scoped up just like the rest of the. then he sorta fell off. He still wins random contest in Europe and asia, but not skating against any big names
He never got anywhere cuz of his attitude, everyone knew he was good but he was just such a douche. Him throwing a fit like a baby for getting second in tamps that year sealed the fact that he would never make it in skating no matter how good he was. Can't lie the kid was fucking good though.
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Brian Downey. He came up in Florida at the same time as Ben Gore and Brad Cromer, and although being as good as them, never got his due.
Pretty much everyone on Think has gotten dealt a shit hand in my opinion. Not because there's anything wrong with Think, but it doesn't seem like being on that team opened up anybody to good shoe deals or other endorsements unless they were really crushing it at the time, like Bachinsky. It sort of put people underground from the get-go if that makes sense.
dela on habitat
josh matthews on organika now and on es before that failing and then going on to huf
cody mcentire on blind and vox
manny on echo and rockstar energy drink axion etc etc
basically where I'm getting at is there was more than a few dudes who made it out of that camp
you didn't clarify that. But even so dudes there got legitimate sponsors when they was on think. josh got on es and huf while he was on. lee got on osiris when he was on
so wait manny don't have a better career than he had on think with famous stars and straps, venture(by default)and dc flow? He may not have the most glamorous sponsors but he has sponsors that pays him and national recognition with street league not to mention a automatic 5gs for showing up
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austen Seaholm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4CBLqSJJF0o#)
Austin seaholm was in that class of super dudes kicking everyone ass in contest (like nyjah, sheck, ortiz, i think duncombe too) thought he was gonna get scoped up just like the rest of the. then he sorta fell off. He still wins random contest in Europe and asia, but not skating against any big names
I remember in some Lizard King interview he was talking about how horrible Austen Seaholm is and then he's like "Austin Seaholm is a faggot. Wait, can you make that the really big text?" So that was the banner text on one of the pages, it just said "Austin Seaholm is a faggot" really big. I thought that was hilarious.
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Mike Frazier...but there could be a whole list of vert guys. Especially from the 90's dead zone era.
Stormy Pruitt.
Roger Seliner. Doing switch shit so long ago. Don't know if he was ever pro though..
Alan Peterson.
Tosh Townend came out so hard and just faded. I know he had injuries.
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Mike Frazier...but there could be a whole list of vert guys. Especially from the 90's dead zone era.
Stormy Pruitt.
Roger Seliner. Doing switch shit so long ago. Don't know if he was ever pro though..
Alan Peterson.
Tosh Townend came out so hard and just faded. I know he had injuries.
Holy shit! Stormy rips. If we are doing ATL lets throw in Daniel Powell and Brian Chung as well.
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Pat Steiner
Micah Hollinger
Eric Derringer
William Phan
Bryan Bothelo
Max Van Arnem
Scott Johnston
Robbie Holmes
John Igei
Those Wisdom kids from MASS
Brian Brown
Jerry Fowler
Ted De Gros
Rob Pluhowski
Ryan Nix (he was better as a kid)
Jeremy Holmes
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Some of these suggestions are awful. Either dudes who are still in the midst of their pro careers or shouldn't have been mentioned in the first place. That Gizmo dude had the grossest style.
Here's my two man list since nobody mentioned them.
Dyson Ramones
Jessie Silvey
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Pat Steiner
Micah Hollinger
Eric Derringer
William Phan
Bryan Bothelo
Max Van Arnem
Scott Johnston
Robbie Holmes
John Igei
Those Wisdom kids from MASS
Brian Brown
Jerry Fowler
Ted De Gros
Rob Pluhowski
Ryan Nix (he was better as a kid)
Jeremy Holmes
Solid list, Jon.
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(http://noneco.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/shanecross-revolver.jpg)
Ride on in Peace.
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Some of these suggestions are awful. Either dudes who are still in the midst of their pro careers or shouldn't have been mentioned in the first place. That Gizmo dude had the grossest style.
Here's my two man list since nobody mentioned them.
Dyson Ramones
Jessie Silvey
cosign. dude has style and pulled off that converse chuck taylor look a while back that dudes are running now
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bighead's list killed it ... I came in here to mention robbie holmes and bryan bothello. and that max van arnem kid!
john buchanan too loved that guy back in the day
also agree with most of the Think guys .... but its not like people who like those guys don't have access to their boards. well, they used to be everywhere anyway.
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never one of my favorites [or anyone else's?] but kanten russell worked hard for the money and the industry shoulda treat him right.
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ted de gros was doing some next level business.
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he was ...just too bad his style was so de gros
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never one of my favorites [or anyone else's?] but kanten russell worked hard for the money and the industry shoulda treat him right.
Kanten never got the respect he deserved but he was on Osirius in the Storm days, he got paid regardless.
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Wade Desarmo still isn't in street league or a major name.. Despite releasing some of the best footage, he could be the one to beat nyjah with all that fucked shit
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he was ...just too bad his style was so de gros
KYS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlkG5W6l5o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlkG5W6l5o)
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yaje popson
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jim gagne. he tried. oh my god did he try!
i personally was a fan of the juxtaposition of bullying, odd trick selections and britpop that southie consistently delivered. he wasn't the greatest but he worked for it/was interesting to watch.
i was always wicked curious about telly and casper. telly had minimal coverage [i mean maybe 3 tricks] in mags and videos.
gizmo [he was like Jaws except he only lasted a few ads].
mike bell. while mike graham's sharp wigger jaw uttered embarassing chatter on Fit, mike bell quietly ripped boston and faded outta the mags. see also kyle vadeboncuer for losing my favorite game, losing his mind again.......
really wished leonard kirk would've followed up timecode asides that bit of EMB footage he had.
ricky o, i'd be happy if there were more youtube of him, nevermind cash in his pockets goin jing-aling-aling. add matt reason and polish vanilla ice serge trudnoski.
elissa steamer. just like jackie robinson wasn't the first black baseball pro, elissa wasn't the first girl pro but her rippery should have left her a millionaire. alas.
there is an interview where she says she doesn't have to work ever again due to that tony hawk pro skater money. it may have been in her epicly latr'd.
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ocean howell & marcus wyndham
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Mike Frazier...but there could be a whole list of vert guys. Especially from the 90's dead zone era.
Stormy Pruitt.
Roger Seliner. Doing switch shit so long ago. Don't know if he was ever pro though..
Alan Peterson.
Tosh Townend came out so hard and just faded. I know he had injuries.
He said somewhere that when he got on Element shoes, and quit Emerica, that pretty much destroyed his carrer, not injuries.
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wade burkitt :'(
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- Frankie Hill. Unfortunately cut short due to injuries...
- Steve Olson. He was huuuuge in the late 90's and just fell off. Younger kids dont even know who he is, and when they google him "oh yeah Alex olsons dad...". nooooo, not THAT Steve Olson...
- Shiloh Greathouse, should be on almost right now. I just reread some old interviews and rewatched some parts. He was good.
- Jovontae Turner
-Colt Cannon. He was never my favorite skater, but I expected him to last way longer.
- Toan Nguyen. He was coming up and went where exactly?was he pro anyway?q
- Henry Sanchez, dude should be swimming in money. Its a shame that kids dont know what he did...
- trainwreck, super marketable. Didnt come through...
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Flo Marfaing - If there was any justice he should have stacked enough from his talent to never have to work again.
Same goes for Javier Sarmiento.
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So so sooooo true...
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I'm not sure if Javier Mendizabal was a bigger deal in Europe - I got the impression that he was. In US vids he always seemed like a "special guest star". I always enjoyed watching him. Someone called him the Spanish Suski, which sounds about right. He might not qualify for this list.
Benji Galloway was always impressive to watch in person. I don't know if he was destined for a bigger career but I'm sure he would have a shit-ton more footage had he not been banned from Thrasher. Not the most photogenic style but definitely a destroyer.
Someone posted video of Daniel Cardone a while back and it seemed like no one knew who he was. That shouldn't be.
Dan Carreiro(sp?)
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Somebody back there got me thinking of The Firm - John White has always been incredibly good and gone totally unnoticed. Matt Beach never got much love either
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Anyone mention Anthony Correa, he's at legend status.
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Didn't wade through all 5 pages, so sorry if this DF video got posted already.
Derek Fukuhara Digital FYI re-edit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnijyENIcGg#)
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- Frankie Hill. Unfortunately cut short due to injuries...
- Steve Olson. He was huuuuge in the late 90's and just fell off. Younger kids dont even know who he is, and when they google him "oh yeah Alex olsons dad...". nooooo, not THAT Steve Olson...
- Shiloh Greathouse, should be on almost right now. I just reread some old interviews and rewatched some parts. He was good.
- Jovontae Turner
-Colt Cannon. He was never my favorite skater, but I expected him to last way longer.
- Toan Nguyen. He was coming up and went where exactly?was he pro anyway?q
- Henry Sanchez, dude should be swimming in money. Its a shame that kids dont know what he did...
- trainwreck, super marketable. Didnt come through...
Yeah Colt has some really weird ankle injury and can't skate at all, or at least do ay tricks, he was working for Element a few years ago but idk if he still is.
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Rodney Torres
he was the most tech dude in ny for like 10 years
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- Frankie Hill. Unfortunately cut short due to injuries...
- Steve Olson. He was huuuuge in the late 90's and just fell off. Younger kids dont even know who he is, and when they google him "oh yeah Alex olsons dad...". nooooo, not THAT Steve Olson...
- Shiloh Greathouse, should be on almost right now. I just reread some old interviews and rewatched some parts. He was good.
- Jovontae Turner
-Colt Cannon. He was never my favorite skater, but I expected him to last way longer.
- Toan Nguyen. He was coming up and went where exactly?was he pro anyway?q
- Henry Sanchez, dude should be swimming in money. Its a shame that kids dont know what he did...
- trainwreck, super marketable. Didnt come through...
Also heard on here he was quite the partier.
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Mark Gutterman and Dallas Rockvam are a couple that come to mind.
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Austin Stephens
Nate Broussard
Mike Rusczyk
Jon West
Trainwreck
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Everen Stalion !!!
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Anyone mention Anthony Correa, he's at legend status.
i liked him too, but common man he became more legendary for playing with his nose.
whoever said austin seaholm is a fucking moron, and people give bastien shit for self cheering? you should have seen how bad austin was way back when. hes still probably a shitty human being. being known as the crybaby that threw a fit when he took sexond against koston and was shunned from the industry doesnt mean shit.
rodney torres had his shine in the 90's, but lets be real he didnt have the same kind of skill set that people in his genre of skating were handling. yeah he had some shit, but if he was good as you make him out to be he would have blown up like kalis instead of being osiris flow with geo moya and whoever else wore free d3's in the early 2000s in nyc.
i hate to say it, but for the most part this thread consists of people either naming their favorite unmarketables or their favorite piles of shit that didnt keep the ball rolling when it was passed to them. either way, everyone is at where theyre supposed to be right now for a reason.
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ragdoll! livin in a movie
hot tramp, daddy's little cutie
so fine, never see ya leaving by the backdoor, ma-an!
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Jani Laitala
Gailea Momolu
Kenny Anderson
All 3 are unreal talents yet they all get screwed over
Kenny is a millionaire from his adio shoe. It was there best seller for years even during the first part of bam mania.
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Ross Norman
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ALEX GOURDOUROS i thought would go further. Especially riding for Emerica could have lead him to maybe ditch Foundation and go Bakerboys instead. Him and Dee are kinda interchangeable skaters. I heard on slap that he chose playing in a band over his board sponsor, but then he put out that Wild Power part so I don't know.
WILD POWER - ALEX GOURDOUROS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRSs5TRU0QU#)
Also whoever said Jess McCraney and Casey Rigney are on point. Met Casey in NYC skating once and he was the most down to earth dude with the beast pop.
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mike chin
jimmy lannon
yaje popson
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Jani Laitala
Gailea Momolu
Kenny Anderson
All 3 are unreal talents yet they all get screwed over
Kenny is a millionaire from his adio shoe. It was there best seller for years even during the first part of bam mania.
Maybe its old news but a dude Ive got in my behance contacts is working on an adio relaunch... Samples have already been produced.
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Rob Pluhowski (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_OEdFNvp5U#)
he was mentioned allready but this was a pretty good part, favorite video
wish lennie kirk made a comeback, the newer footage in epicly laterd got me hype
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Is your sig Justin Hager art?
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Tommy Wisdom, Joey Bast. Henry and Lavar had big careers but they should have been bigger.
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never one of my favorites [or anyone else's?] but kanten russell worked hard for the money and the industry shoulda treat him right.
Kanten was actually supposed to be part of the original Plan B lineup, in case you didn't know. After that idea was shut down; members of the team had to go out and do tricks he had already filmed and would have been in his Questionable part. Pat Duffy bs 180 Sports Arena was one of them. And there are others I can't remember right now. I've heard a few different stories of why he didn't get the final ok to be on the team. Everything from the hightop fade Kanten was rocking back then; to him being too good; to the team just not getting along with him.
BS 180 kickflip the long way over Pt Loma high 13 is still crazy to this day! And that was like 16 years ago he did it.
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Tim Upson, he just didn't give a shit I guess.
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IMHO, any skater who's name you vaguely remember from 10+ years ago that when searched is still representing skateboarding...deserves a bigger name and check. I pulled Charlie Wilkin's name out of the hat, I always enjoyed the little footage of him I'd come across. I never heard much about him after Transit. Turns out, still ripping and repping, pay this man. this [url]http://skateboarding.transworld.net/videos/lifeblood-welcomes-charlie-wilkins/]http://skateboarding.transworld.net/videos/lifeblood-welcomes-charlie-wilkins/]this [url]http://skateboarding.transworld.net/videos/lifeblood-welcomes-charlie-wilkins/ (http://this [url=http://skateboarding.transworld.net/videos/lifeblood-welcomes-charlie-wilkins/)[/url]. In my ideal world there's a 401k called the 420k that SL, ESPN, Van's, everyone who whores out pro skaters has to pay into to pad the golden years of our beloved forgotten pro nobodies for the service they gave. I say 420k because I too would like to be acknowledged in later years for how many bowls I smoked because it's not as easy as it appears.
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BEN KRAHN
Ben Krahn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63kbAxjNKOg#)
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Ross Norman
What?! I used to skate with him back in the day. Super chill tech ripper.
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Tony Montgomery
that Bootleg Side B part of his was stylin off the wall
people saying Sanch....lol....dude was huge back in the day then had his time again with sight unseen and chomp on this ... plus anyone who may have been a little too young for those but was posting on here 5 years later probably got turned on to him by MAJIK INC and magik inc. groupie.
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Tony Montgomery
that Bootleg Side B part of his was stylin off the wall
people saying Sanch....lol....dude was huge back in the day then had his time again with sight unseen and chomp on this ... plus anyone who may have been a little too young for those but was posting on here 5 years later probably got turned on to him by MAJIK INC and magik inc. groupie.
and now hes currently famous for arguing with clyde singleton over who is more washed up via social media. that sucks :(
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I feel Clint Peterson should have been a bit bigger than he is. He had that Transworld part and shoe and I havent seen much else from him. Dude was hilarious and a-may-zing at the shred sled.
I truly wish Bummer High lasted longer, too. I know thats not a specific skater, but that was a rad company with cool graphics.
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I feel Clint Peterson should have been a bit bigger than he is. He had that Transworld part and shoe and I havent seen much else from him. Dude was hilarious and a-may-zing at the shred sled.
I truly wish Bummer High lasted longer, too. I know thats not a specific skater, but that was a rad company with cool graphics.
Yes. On that note, let's talk about Rasa Libre's untimely demise... :'(
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bighead's list killed it ... I came in here to mention robbie holmes and bryan bothello. and that max van arnem kid!
john buchanan too loved that guy back in the day
also agree with most of the Think guys .... but its not like people who like those guys don't have access to their boards. well, they used to be everywhere anyway.
he flys planes.
one of my childhood favs
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Andrew Gordon. All I remember is a picture of this little kid standing on a ledge with Rowley's arm around his shoulder and the caption "The Future is On FLIP" and that was the end of his skate career...
Also, can people really count skaters that died young? It is kind of pointing out the obvious.
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Ted De Gros
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Ted De Gros
I agree with this but it seems cool that he looked at the skate industry, thought it sucked and bailed.
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I still say Gareth Stehr should have been bigger in skateboarding.
also, WTF happened to Ethan Fowler? he disappeared after Bummer High.
AND I wish my friend Keegan Sauder was still getting paid from his sponsors. Dude still rips hard!
i'm buying his Pro Board this paycheck.
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I still say Gareth Stehr should have been bigger in skateboarding.
also, WTF happened to Ethan Fowler? he disappeared after Bummer High.
AND I wish my friend Keegan Sauder was still getting paid from his sponsors. Dude still rips hard!
all of the above..
seems like after blackout most of that crew faded away, bummer :(
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Ross Norman
Ross rules!! I study his Last of the Mohicans part religiously. Me and some friends took a trip to Nashville, we were skating around legislative plaza for a little bit. Ross was there soaking his feet in the fountain. Once we were done skating he stands up dires off his feet, puts his shoes on and does a nose manny all the way around the fountain ( which the edges are less than a foot wide of beveled, slippey marble). it was pretty sick to watch. We just sat there and watched him cruise around and do amazing lines first try until we go kicked. last i heard he moved out west to work on some stuff for Civilized Skateboards.
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Louie Barletta, only because I think it was just bad sponsorship decisions. i get surprised when that guy doesn't get mentioned more. Same with Caswell & Cairo.
Billy McFeely should be bigger. He gets the blog mentions but that dude deserves some legit shoe and board money. Upstanding dude.
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these types of threads always get derailed to more vague sections like "underrated skaters" to just like "sk8ers i like a lot"
Exactly. The majority of the people listed have had pretty successful careers and don't even really belong in this conversation. What happened to Tony Silva? I can agree with Tommy Gurrola and Nate Broussard. Definitely Danny Renaud. Scott Kane is a good one. I always loved me some Dyson Ramones too. Jani Laitiala is a candidate as well. Thought he would at least have a shoe by now. How can someone pump out this kind of footage and not get solid sponsors?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKcCWzbn6JQ
Anybody remember Mike Rosa? Thought he would've worked his way up the industry sooner or later. FUCKING DANNY FUENZALIDA IS THE KING OF THIS LIST! STILL ripping (over 10 years strong) and is like a ghost in the industry.
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I still say Gareth Stehr should have been bigger in skateboarding.
also, WTF happened to Ethan Fowler? he disappeared after Bummer High.
AND I wish my friend Keegan Sauder was still getting paid from his sponsors. Dude still rips hard!
i'm buying his Pro Board this paycheck.
how many threads are you going to mention that keegan sauder is allegedly your friend and that youre going to buy his board?
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Dudes like Gareth Stehr and Alex Gorduos (or however you spell his name) are very lucky to have had any type of career in the spotlight.
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Watched Nate Broussard and Brad Hiser grow up into killing machines. They both were over it and could've been top shelf.
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ragdoll
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I still say Gareth Stehr should have been bigger in skateboarding.
also, WTF happened to Ethan Fowler? he disappeared after Bummer High.
AND I wish my friend Keegan Sauder was still getting paid from his sponsors. Dude still rips hard!
i'm buying his Pro Board this paycheck.
how many threads are you going to mention that keegan sauder is allegedly your friend and that youre going to buy his board?
If he's still on Vans, he's still getting paid. Granted if he doesn't have a legit board sponsor they will drop him as soon as his contract runs out.
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I still say Gareth Stehr should have been bigger in skateboarding.
also, WTF happened to Ethan Fowler? he disappeared after Bummer High.
AND I wish my friend Keegan Sauder was still getting paid from his sponsors. Dude still rips hard!
i'm buying his Pro Board this paycheck.
how many threads are you going to mention that keegan sauder is allegedly your friend and that youre going to buy his board?
wanna know what tony volume is going to reply with? hes going to say 'he gets shoes from vans but doesnt get paid.' how do i know that? the exact same fucking dialogue has been laid out in different threads multiple times. lets not beat this one to death and how about we all say something different today, huh?
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Back then (1993-2005) IMO, a pro with a household name was less of a death sentence in terms of career longevity. Today, dudes are better off staying underrated or underground. The commercial lime light of skateboarding today is something that intelligent skateboarders should stand at distance from.
If I had to nominate a dude that should have had a bigger career, I nominate Evan Hernandez.
Evan Hernandez Section- Transworld In Bloom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoo380X9kI#)
The frontside flip at 1:24 might be the most properly caught one in history.
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Keegan Sauder is on blood wizard
http://bloodwizard.com/keegan-sauder-2/ (http://bloodwizard.com/keegan-sauder-2/)
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Shuriken Shannon.
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Reocurring themes:
Shitty sponsors, ok sponsors going through a shitty period, being a pile, injury, bad luck.
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Reocurring themes:
Shitty sponsors, ok sponsors going through a shitty period, being a pile, injury, bad luck.
See also Muckmouth's "Back In The Spotlight"
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Where is Dave Caddo?
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Flo Marfaing - If there was any justice he should have stacked enough from his talent to never have to work again.
Same goes for Javier Sarmiento.
Flo was really badly advised by hangers- on who planned to come up on his coat tails. Sarmiento comes from money and was at least as much into golf as skating so no need to hustle. Both unbelievably talented.
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Aaron Rowe
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Markovich comes to mind, also, I'm gonna leave this here.
(comments from a @toddbratrud post a few days ago, managed to screen shot before deleted)
(https://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_2364214_AFvuw0MAAA%2BSU9%2F7hQAAALmpUG8&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1)
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Markovich comes to mind, also, I'm gonna leave this here.
(comments from a @toddbratrud post a few days ago, managed to screen shot before deleted)
(https://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_2364214_AFvuw0MAAA%2BSU9%2F7hQAAALmpUG8&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1)
Can't see the shot but if this is about Mike V pulling some "Mike V shit" then I definitely saw it. I almost commented on it lmao.
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Where is Dave Caddo?
He is pro for politic.
http://vimeo.com/102485296#embed (http://vimeo.com/102485296#embed)
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Aaron Rowe
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Jay Stephens!
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russ milligan
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- Matt Beach
- Danny Montoya
- Ricky Oyola ( deserves more)
- Brian Wenning (rewatched some parts, he was very good)
- Jereme Rogers. Yes he still skates, but he is a complete douche. Part from that I expected this guy to become a New McCrank style of character. He seemed shy and was supertalented. Made some very poor decisions and will never be taken seriously ever again. Maybe if he openly says "my rap carreer was terribleeeeee! Worst decision ive ever made! " but he will never admit that...
- Mike York
- vinny vegas ( what happend?)
And imagine Bobby puleo if he was friendly and got on Habitat or something...
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damn i was about to confuse vinny vegas with ragdoll...
sammy baptista and many others from fullfill the dream.. muska and smolik are the only ones from that whole crew who are still relevant (to a certain extent) today.
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Carlos Young !!!
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Never heard of carlos young before?
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Carlos Young !!!
Checked it out, really good stuff
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Div Adams
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Jeff Phillips should be winning legends bowl contest right now.
Dave Leroux.
Jesse Neuhaus.
Duane Pitre
Also, really hoped Brent would have chimed in with a Rod James.
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Steve Olson. Shorty's
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PJ LADD
think about it
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I would have liked to see more Sean Young photos and footage.
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marissa dal santos. she's the cat's pajamas.
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Brian Heck
E-man Guz-man