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Title: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on December 27, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
Graffiti is cool to see out in the city and shit, but the parks I go to are littered with some absolute garbage. Does anyone else have to put up with SHITTY graf from kids who don't know what the fuck they are doing????
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: ChillMurray on December 27, 2014, 03:46:40 PM
My local park is a DIY allowed by the city. I've seen some amazing graffiti there, we had Beavis and Butthead on a 6 ft quarter until a church group came and painted over it. It was then tagged by someone who picked up a spray can for the first time and wrote "Freedom" not in any special way, just wrote it. Other gems that were tagged at the park, pornhub.com, again just sprayed for no reason and a giant weed leaf on one of the only things that you can see when you drive by. I'm all for graffiti just keep that complete garbage elsewhere.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Charbroil on December 27, 2014, 03:47:07 PM
flaming 8 ball, mushroom, pot leaf, and flame boy
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Musty_Berrings on December 27, 2014, 04:18:41 PM
Not too hyped on it to be honest. Skatepark surfaces are slippery enough so spray paint doesn't do them any favors. Also what Good Burger said its a quick way to get your DIY/skate spot shut down.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: poocrusher on December 27, 2014, 04:26:39 PM
Most of the parks in Colorado have the graffiti removed or the park is shut down while the graffiti is removed.  So, not a big fan of that.  However the Sheridan park always has poorly drawn phallusi which I am a fan of. 
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: @thewilleasley on December 27, 2014, 04:49:29 PM
There's always good & bad examples. I remember the big park in davenport, Iowa had a bunch sick pieces all over the place before they removed everything for a contest or some shit. Always loved the vibe there. i know they repainted some shit the last time I was there a while ago but it's not the same.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: shark tits on December 27, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
'good' graffiti can fuck off or at least do that shit criminally. that said, i love dumb assed pisspoor graffiti at skapeparks. the first time i wrote 'shark tits' was on a wallride we built, in neighboring suburb of 'grafton' there was a double sized slant bank that someone wrote 'piss your pants ramp' on. that shit was too funny. i wish more people would run funny stuff at skate spots and not try to be art fag. these peurto rican guys go to wormside every sunday and they're good at what they're doing but it's barely tagging. like the cops don't care about you scribbling on the wall or the cement ramps but do you really need to scrawl some jibber jabber about 'live creatively'? i was just skating to walmart but your inspirational grafito changed my life, yo.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 27, 2014, 05:17:18 PM
I love the funny phrases written in sharpie with shitty handwriting that skaters write. The full on murals or anything with spray paint is always stupid though.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: ADOLF SHITLER on December 27, 2014, 05:34:19 PM
i remember skating the derby park snake run in santa cruz maybe 10 years ago when it was still old and crusty, shit had like a half inch of spraypaint on every last inch made it slick as fuck
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: turtleboy86 on December 27, 2014, 09:56:35 PM
skating the stage at venice pit was dope.

had some of the best graffiti done there.

and some  legendary skate footage on those ledges and tables.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: ttching! on December 28, 2014, 06:10:21 AM
Bob Loseedo wears a Speedo.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on December 28, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on December 28, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
I didn't make the thread because I want to change the world... I finished my community service- I just wanted something else to talk about besides who is on and off filament.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on December 28, 2014, 10:24:23 AM
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seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
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I didn't make the thread because I want to change the world.
Is that right?
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: era on December 28, 2014, 10:27:11 AM
bad graffiti is 1000 times better than good graffiti.  If you are good at graffiti you suck.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on December 28, 2014, 10:33:23 AM
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seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
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I didn't make the thread because I want to change the world.
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Is that right?
absolutely. Ide rather complain on the internet to you than do anything productive about a problem that is has a temporary solution to.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: happenstance on December 28, 2014, 10:41:57 AM
Bob Loseedo wears a Speedo.

(http://www.patrickodell.com/ausbury01.jpg)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on December 28, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
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seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
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I didn't make the thread because I want to change the world.
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Is that right?
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absolutely. Ide rather complain on the internet to you than do anything productive about a problem that is has a temporary solution to.
I don't believe I'm following, please elaborate.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: dillanharp on December 28, 2014, 11:30:57 AM
The graffiti at the park I go to is all gang stuff, it's bad and the grammar is hilarious. The other park I like to go to is caked with it, making it super slick and that shit gets on your clothes when you fall.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on December 28, 2014, 11:37:08 AM
A lot of city parks clean up graffiti from what I can tell. Why not go to a different park if you're so bothered by it and not in the mood to paint over?
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: TheDraught on December 28, 2014, 02:46:59 PM
(http://www.glisshop.info/media/blogs/actualites/actu2010/sem23/orangefreestylecup.jpg)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: spool of cord on December 28, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
what about pieces along a wall at an indoor park?

like this for example

Sal Tsx Footy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXns4vy400k&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: jim on December 29, 2014, 02:36:47 PM
blah blah blah pussy
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: pica on December 29, 2014, 06:39:57 PM
bad graffiti is 1000 times better than good graffiti.  If you are good at graffiti you suck.

http://shittigraffiti.tumblr.com (http://shittigraffiti.tumblr.com)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on December 29, 2014, 09:43:39 PM
graff at non sanctioned diy spots is even more annoying. the city hates this lump of cement in the middle of the woods why would all these fill ins help that? but dont worry you're like mad up here bro out in the woods where nobody goes.....
some dude from team pain mad a dope diy spot in Jacksonville and this "tagger" that calls himself "swag" single handedly made it look like shit.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Dengles on January 04, 2015, 10:44:27 PM
A bunch of dumb hyper liberals drew a fat rainbow people holding hands at the bottom of the bowl saying love your body…it's the exact opposite of hesh
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: lk130 on January 04, 2015, 11:10:05 PM
(http://i59.tinypic.com/kdvgg7.png)clean park for the most part. .there is some really novice regular handwriting about nothing and kid grafitti is really bad when it's fresh, most of the good tags and decals I put up around that park
(http://i61.tinypic.com/f1jdk7.jpg)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Fenzadill on January 04, 2015, 11:33:10 PM
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graff at non sanctioned diy spots is even more annoying. the city hates this lump of cement in the middle of the woods why would all these fill ins help that? but dont worry you're like mad up here bro out in the woods where nobody goes.....
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some dude from team pain mad a dope diy spot in Jacksonville and this "tagger" that calls himself "swag" single handedly made it look like shit.

Just go over it.

And I think this Stu Pidiot poster is Tracer.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: busted-knee on January 05, 2015, 12:41:48 AM
(http://www.glisshop.info/media/blogs/actualites/actu2010/sem23/orangefreestylecup.jpg)

I don't know which is worse, the Zero Cole graphic in this photo or the 'art' defacing these transitions.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: lk130 on January 05, 2015, 12:47:10 AM
No monster logo in sight. .that is art
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Tony Rave on January 05, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
flaming 8 ball, mushroom, pot leaf, and flame boy

Classics !!

These will live on forever
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: pica on January 05, 2015, 02:35:16 PM
^let me add the consolidated cube.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: SHARPSHOOTER on January 05, 2015, 04:03:08 PM
My local park is spot clean. We beef kids who even try to write sharpie on stuff.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: skateboardnorth on January 05, 2015, 04:07:24 PM
My local park is spot clean. We beef kids who even try to write sharpie on stuff.
I'd be pretty stoked to show up at your local park and see you giving some kid the sharpshooter for tagging.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: shark tits on January 05, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
My local park is spot clean. We beef kids who even try to write sharpie on stuff.
it's my life's work to enter your part of canada and draw owen hart falling to his death onto an erect penis on your park's prized obstacle.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: HoudiniXLogic on January 05, 2015, 06:35:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPHBCc-ors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPHBCc-ors)

This is my buddy Cece. He comes around and grafittis at skateparks. No bombs or that shit, just straight up art pieces.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a3/0c/9d/a30c9ddffe9419383d1eb62ff82d871b.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204506467360124 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204506467360124) his work in the background.

He actually cannot skateboard (no BS, but he'll try to roll around and kickturn, proper pushing no mongo).
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: tortfeasor on January 05, 2015, 07:43:13 PM
I love incorrectly drawn swastikas. Man those are so cool
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 05, 2015, 11:06:36 PM
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graff at non sanctioned diy spots is even more annoying. the city hates this lump of cement in the middle of the woods why would all these fill ins help that? but dont worry you're like mad up here bro out in the woods where nobody goes.....
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some dude from team pain mad a dope diy spot in Jacksonville and this "tagger" that calls himself "swag" single handedly made it look like shit.
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Just go over it.

And I think this Stu Pidiot poster is Tracer.
don't ever confuse me with a canadian.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: janky858 on January 06, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.

YEAH BECAUSE PAINTING OVER SLIPPERY PAINT WITH MORE SLIPPERY PAINT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!!!!!

i think the point is, if you post on here and you are a shitty grafitti artist its the general consensus of skateboaders to not do it at the skatepark, and that its a huge eye sore for photos/video, like my home park where the deep end has ih 5 foot leters "isabel prom?" makes for a great photo.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 06, 2015, 02:28:59 PM
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seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
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YEAH BECAUSE PAINTING OVER SLIPPERY PAINT WITH MORE SLIPPERY PAINT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!!!!!

i think the point is, if you post on here and you are a shitty grafitti artist its the general consensus of skateboaders to not do it at the skatepark, and that its a huge eye sore for photos/video, like my home park where the deep end has ih 5 foot leters "isabel prom?" makes for a great photo.
oh. my bad. go ahead and look at the shitty graffiti then, and bitch about it on SLAP too. nice to notice you're on time posting back to that.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 06, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
you seem particularly angry though, maybe you should find the graffiti vandals and pour sugar in their gas tank so they know how hurt you are by their paint.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: tortfeasor on January 06, 2015, 05:03:15 PM
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seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
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YEAH BECAUSE PAINTING OVER SLIPPERY PAINT WITH MORE SLIPPERY PAINT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!!!!!

i think the point is, if you post on here and you are a shitty grafitti artist its the general consensus of skateboaders to not do it at the skatepark, and that its a huge eye sore for photos/video, like my home park where the deep end has ih 5 foot leters "isabel prom?" makes for a great photo.


So did Isabel go to the prom with the dude or not?
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 06, 2015, 05:12:39 PM
you seem particularly angry though, maybe you should find the graffiti vandals and pour sugar in their gas tank so they know how hurt you are by their paint.
why you so angry big boy? Me love you long time.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 06, 2015, 05:56:59 PM
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seems like if you're bothered by it you should just go and paint over it instead of complaining on an internet message board. typical SLAP attitude to complain about something trivial and easily remedied.
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YEAH BECAUSE PAINTING OVER SLIPPERY PAINT WITH MORE SLIPPERY PAINT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!!!!!

i think the point is, if you post on here and you are a shitty grafitti artist its the general consensus of skateboaders to not do it at the skatepark, and that its a huge eye sore for photos/video, like my home park where the deep end has ih 5 foot leters "isabel prom?" makes for a great photo.
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So did Isabel go to the prom with the dude or not?
I'd like to know the same.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 07, 2015, 10:00:56 AM
you seem particularly angry though, maybe you should find the graffiti vandals and pour sugar in their gas tank so they know how hurt you are by their paint.
most the kids ruining our shit don't drive and sugar is expensive.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: ttching! on January 07, 2015, 10:05:41 AM
So did Isabel go to the prom with the dude or not?
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 07, 2015, 10:29:08 AM
(http://www.glisshop.info/media/blogs/actualites/actu2010/sem23/orangefreestylecup.jpg)
If this is what my spots looked like this thread wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 07, 2015, 10:31:02 AM
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you seem particularly angry though, maybe you should find the graffiti vandals and pour sugar in their gas tank so they know how hurt you are by their paint.
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most the kids ruining our shit don't drive and sugar is expensive.
Oh. yeah. den seek unity by complaining on the internet.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 07, 2015, 10:41:37 AM
Your use of ebonics is uncalled for.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 07, 2015, 10:44:37 AM
You're use of ebonics is uncalled for.
maybe you should complain about it on the internet then. start a guild for the eradication of shitty skatepark graffiti and the ebonics of Rusty_Berrings
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stone cold steve austin on January 07, 2015, 11:39:51 AM
your skatepark isn't a skatepark unless it has dick graffiti
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Post by: mattofallmatts on January 07, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
(http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/media/photos/unis/2012/09/20/2012-09-20-11-02-25-George%20for%20web.jpg)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: SHARPSHOOTER on January 07, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
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My local park is spot clean. We beef kids who even try to write sharpie on stuff.
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I'd be pretty stoked to show up at your local park and see you giving some kid the sharpshooter for tagging.
I had a contest to see who can survive my sharpshooter at park. Made all the little groms cry.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 07, 2015, 05:28:01 PM
(http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/media/photos/unis/2012/09/20/2012-09-20-11-02-25-George%20for%20web.jpg)
now that's a B-Boy stance!
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: shark tits on January 07, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
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now that's a B-Boy stance!
hurry up and give him the microphone before he bust in his pants!
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 07, 2015, 09:41:56 PM
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You're use of ebonics is uncalled for.
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maybe you should complain about it on the internet then. start a guild for the eradication of shitty skatepark graffiti and the ebonics of Rusty_Berrings
You can be president of my guild if you want. We'll call it the gangster Cholo committee.  We can wear locs and rock knee high socks with khaki shorts and fight vandalism.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 07, 2015, 09:55:26 PM
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You're use of ebonics is uncalled for.
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maybe you should complain about it on the internet then. start a guild for the eradication of shitty skatepark graffiti and the ebonics of Rusty_Berrings
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You can be president of my guild if you want. We'll call it the gangster Cholo committee.  We can wear locs and rock knee high socks with khaki shorts and fight vandalism.
you trying to get crazy with me ese?
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 07, 2015, 10:08:07 PM
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You're use of ebonics is uncalled for.
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maybe you should complain about it on the internet then. start a guild for the eradication of shitty skatepark graffiti and the ebonics of Rusty_Berrings
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You can be president of my guild if you want. We'll call it the gangster Cholo committee.  We can wear locs and rock knee high socks with khaki shorts and fight vandalism.
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you trying to get crazy with me ese?
oh da le vato. Let's ride.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Makaveli on January 08, 2015, 12:21:55 PM
some lil wayne type poser named "Z-no" sprayed "FUCK RELIGIO" and got my local park closed for a week. I cried.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: stupidiot on January 08, 2015, 10:22:25 PM
Team pain was hired to build monument skatepark back in Jacksonville fl. and all further developments on it were cancelled because some shitty taggers... half assed throwies and a picture of a piece of broccoli smoking a joint.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Rusty_Berrings on January 19, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
All bow before King Muska!
(http://i62.tinypic.com/21e3vx3.png)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: j....soy..... on January 19, 2015, 08:58:27 PM
Before I discover Slap I wrote for a magazine and I did an article called...'bad skate graffiti....'
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: Wizard Fight on January 20, 2015, 01:08:41 AM
sugar is expensive.
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Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: 360 frip on January 20, 2015, 02:05:15 AM
I love incorrectly drawn swastikas. Man those are so cool

How do you mean incorrectly? Not sure if its 'incorrect' even in reverse.


Where is the American flag one,with WE KILL CHILDREN? That is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: lampshade on January 20, 2015, 04:59:36 AM
When I was young at my park this hippy kid tried to write a huge peace sign and actually put up a giant Mercedes-Benz logo. 
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Post by: dirtyweemidden on January 20, 2015, 05:46:05 AM
swastikas, a badly drawn spitfire head and multiple cocks and bewbs are must haves,

extra points for nonsensical sharpie scribbles, saw 'milk ma hairy wombat' scrawled under a bench the other day.. i dont know what it means but it made ne chuckle

http://sidewalk.mpora.com/featured-article/skatepark-graffiti.html (http://sidewalk.mpora.com/featured-article/skatepark-graffiti.html)
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Post by: Willie on January 20, 2015, 06:16:04 AM


Where is the American flag one,with WE KILL CHILDREN? That is pretty awesome.



That was at FDR (maybe elsewhere too?). FDR has had some great bad graffiti. One wall will forever be the "Dirty Larry" wall because of some long gone tag.

"Big Gary Busey"
"Nigga Deuce"

I always admired the person who painted "VALSPAR PAINTS SUCK"


Too many actual graffiti people doing "pieces" now.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: tortfeasor on January 20, 2015, 08:06:48 AM
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I love incorrectly drawn swastikas. Man those are so cool
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How do you mean incorrectly? Not sure if its 'incorrect' even in reverse.



stuff like this. 
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Graffiti_3a02e5_168240.jpg)
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Post by: 360 frip on January 20, 2015, 08:24:50 AM
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I love incorrectly drawn swastikas. Man those are so cool
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How do you mean incorrectly? Not sure if its 'incorrect' even in reverse.

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stuff like this. 
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Graffiti_3a02e5_168240.jpg)

Holy shit. Point taken. That's regular.
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: I_Respect_Wood on January 20, 2015, 04:38:22 PM
saw this today in a park of my city.... what yoou think

(https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1511081_772164132864800_3993030281316399116_n.jpg?oh=60cc72fd221ad8ffd85e4dded37c98ad&oe=5565E17C)
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Post by: Custom skater on January 20, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
My local skate park has a giant penis graffiti on one of the ramps.
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Post by: SHARPSHOOTER on January 20, 2015, 10:56:10 PM
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I love incorrectly drawn swastikas. Man those are so cool
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How do you mean incorrectly? Not sure if its 'incorrect' even in reverse.

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stuff like this. 
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Graffiti_3a02e5_168240.jpg)
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Holy shit. Point taken. That's regular.
I like how they started one and just gave up
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: GoodguyEh on January 21, 2015, 01:27:25 PM
this ones pretty bad
(http://bakerboysdist.com/content/posts/img-7959.jpg)
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Post by: shark tits on January 21, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
this ones pretty bad
(http://bakerboysdist.com/content/posts/img-7959.jpg)
i think its good except it looks like a meth pipe
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Post by: mattdlx on January 21, 2015, 01:43:51 PM
every skate park has penis graffiti on one of the ramps.
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Post by: Wall of Nausea on January 21, 2015, 01:47:43 PM
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this ones pretty bad
(http://bakerboysdist.com/content/posts/img-7959.jpg)
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i think its good except it looks like a meth pipe
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Popsicle-rogo.jpg)
Title: Re: skatepark graffiti
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on January 22, 2015, 01:27:38 AM
somebody painted a the "troll face" in the deep end of a bowl a few towns over from mine, I thought it was brilliant didn't have a camera, wish i did