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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: nath. on June 17, 2015, 12:22:51 AM
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On June 21st, thousands of dogs will be beaten and tortured prior to be killed at the yulin dog meat festival in China. Please sign the petition to try to help stop this festival
#stopyulin2015
www.change.org/p/mr-chen-wu-yulin-governor-please-shut-down-the-yulin-dog-meat-festival-in-guangxi-china (http://www.change.org/p/mr-chen-wu-yulin-governor-please-shut-down-the-yulin-dog-meat-festival-in-guangxi-china)
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watching those dog / cat / racoon vids . Shits horrible
China has always been pretty shitty in their treatment of animals , from poaching to skinning animals alive
If I saw this shit and had a gun ...
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
for reals. i'm glad china isn't afraid to treat dogs the way we treat cows, pigs and chickens. equal treatment for all animals and if that doesn't translate to animal rights, at least it's fair.
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
I would say alot of farms and slaughter houses do not treat their animals like this . I would almost bold enough to say that 90% of farms do not treat their animals like this . They would be shut down or get heavily fined
Im not against killing animals for food or product but I like to know they were treated as good as possible . I know some fuckery goes down in the west but its not on the scale as the chinese
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
I would say alot of farms and slaughter houses do not treat their animals like this . I would almost bold enough to say that 90% of farms do not treat their animals like this . They would be shut down or get heavily fined
Im not against killing animals for food or product but I like to know they were treated as good as possible . I know some fuckery goes down in the west but its not on the scale as the chinese
We have foie gras and veal. yea the festival looks bad, but factory farming operations in China and the US i dont think are too far off, with an emphasis profit and efficiency as the main factors for farming procedures, neither pay the workers to hurt the animals "excessively" as taking time out to mistreat specific animals would just slow things down, but if it happens in either country i dont think anyone involved is too concerned. Cargill(big meat) has powerful friends their profits dictate policy on this shit, not animal welfare. Also in China many people still live in the countryside so a lot of meat is still a mom and pop operation, which is pretty hard to generalize about.
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
You're not immune from moral condemnation because a hypocrite morally condemns you.
If X is wrong (so shouldn't be done), it's still wrong (so shouldn't be done) even if pointed out by someone who does or promotes X.
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
You're not immune from moral condemnation because a hypocrite morally condemns you.
If X is wrong (so shouldn't be done), it's still wrong (so shouldn't be done) even if pointed out by someone who does or promotes X.
I get that, but what this will equate to is a bunch people posting on twitter with that hashtag to say it is wrong, which really will have no tangible outcome in a country that does not have the same values regarding dogs raised for meat(these aren't pets), to them its just animals raised to be eaten like cows or chickens, it doesnt make sense to try convince them otherwise when your doing the same thing. So it's kind of all or nothing IMO, like being iced out in conflict diamonds while tweeting about kony2012
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Kudos for being all about animal rights. I love animals too. Unfortunately I don't think China gives a shit about anyone's petitions.
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Theres a difference between animals you have as pets and animals you have as livestock. I dont care what animal rights you are spouting but whatever way you look at it, it is way worse to eat dogs. Cows are raised to be killed, you dont have them as pets.
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Theres a difference between animals you have as pets and animals you have as livestock. I dont care what animal rights you are spouting but whatever way you look at it, it is way worse to eat dogs. Cows are raised to be killed, you dont have them as pets.
You have it backwards. In your reasoning, cows are treated like they don't have moral status, so they don't.
But morality guides/prescribes behavior, it doesn't follow from it.
Moral status is due to being subject to pain/harm. And since animals are subject to pain/harm, they have moral status.
So whether they're pet or livestock, they have moral status.
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Theres a difference between animals you have as pets and animals you have as livestock. I dont care what animal rights you are spouting but whatever way you look at it, it is way worse to eat dogs. Cows are raised to be killed, you dont have them as pets.
You have it backwards. In your reasoning, cows are treated like they don't have moral status, so they don't.
But morality guides/prescribes behavior, it doesn't follow from it.
Moral status is due to being subject to pain/harm. And since animals are subject to pain/harm, they have moral status.
So whether they're pet or livestock, they have moral status.
Yep, in parts of Asia dogs are livestock. Guinea pigs are a traditional food in the Andes region of South America, is that wrong too? horse eating Euro's?
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Theres a difference between animals you have as pets and animals you have as livestock. I dont care what animal rights you are spouting but whatever way you look at it, it is way worse to eat dogs. Cows are raised to be killed, you dont have them as pets.
Cats and Dogs are raised as pets in the West , We kill cows in the west but in India they are holy , and in China they treat cats and dogs like shit . You cant compare it like that
Social Network is totaly fucked now , its almost worse then doing nothing , people anonymously complaining on twitter and so on , with no effort , making threats and demanding things , people to get fired and so on . �
I remember when they landed the asteroid and instead of 100% happiness we had to deal with feminists complaining about the dudes shirt , forcing him into a apology where he was in tears . �That Kony thing was so bullshit aswell . Liking something on Facebook is worse then doing nothing , cause people actually think they are doing something
If you guys want Ill try to find some vids about the cats and dogs in china , Now theres chocking vids coming out of USA all the time , but even then I think USA treats animals better then china . I think Europe is years ahead when it comes to treating animals but it can still get better and I believe it will be better
The whole hunting thing is quite BS too , People leave threats or mean tweets towards hunters who kill in fair chase situations , then they go to McD or buger king and eat meat who got treated much worse then the deer and other animals who have lived free
Anyways , these guys are scum , And tbh I care more about these dogs dying then these guys who do it
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cows have soulful eyes too but fuck em
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id try a deep fried corgi leg
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jalapeno poodle nose poppers
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BBQ baby foot
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I watched one of the Faces of Death flicks as a kid and had no problem seeing people "take an L", but as soon as I saw the Koreans cutting up live St. Bernard puppies to put in a stew I lost my shit.
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I like dogs way more than I like Chinese people
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bunch of people that claim to care about animals when they actually don't ::)
LOL @ "it's worse to eat dogs" ... how's that cognitive dissonance working out for ya?
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If anyone is interested in a more realistic portrayal of the festival vice did a piece on last year's www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfaZeIxHFUM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfaZeIxHFUM#)'
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
good thing i wear canvas shoes and dont eat meat
im not up for killing animals for meat, humans can survive without eating meat, im proof, theres so much food that taste like meat that isnt even meat and ive eaten meat, i gave up meat because of the doco called Earthlings, shit put me off meat, not the taste, i loved the taste, but the process of what happends made me feel like such a piece of shit human, killing an animal and shitting it out into ur toilet 12 hours later is such a waste of a life, but at the end of the day if your going to kill animals dont tourture them and beat them to death or cook them alive or skin them alive, shit is fucked, P.S i hate plants so i eat them
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I watched one of the Faces of Death flicks as a kid and had no problem seeing people "take an L"
i laughed way too hard at this.
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I love dogs. I love hunting.
If people hunted more they would respect animals more.
China has its own culture however. Who am I to tell them what is right or wrong?
Shit maybe they'd hate me for shooting deer and moose? Im not sure?
I love animals but I do eat many of them. But I do treat the animals and nature with respect. Its just a personal thing though.
I will say if I was starving I sure as fuck would eat a dog if I needed too
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Who am I to tell them what is right or wrong?
Horrendous cruelty towards sentient beings makes for easy moral evaluations.
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Who am I to tell them what is right or wrong?
Horrendous cruelty towards sentient beings makes for easy moral evaluations.
So where is your petition to stop wars?
Are dogs more important then humans?
I shoot a deer in the heart, put it down quick and clean. But eventually you miss and have to track the deer, hours on end to end its life.
Is that really any different then gaffing a dog in the head? Or boiling it?
Have you ever eaten a fuckin lobster???
Nature is nature its all the same, only difference is really just perspective.
Same happens with humans to, shit sucks but its true.
One cancer patient dies from excrutiating chemo
The other goes to sleep on a morphine drip
Im not denying it sucks to hear about these dogs being treated this way. But its their culture. Are you better then them?
Fuck no, your one in the same. Welcome to life on planet earth. Fuckin enjoy it.
Let your heart bleed when its your time to go, not while your in this body
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
good thing i wear canvas shoes and dont eat meat
im not up for killing animals for meat, humans can survive without eating meat, im proof, theres so much food that taste like meat that isnt even meat and ive eaten meat, i gave up meat because of the doco called Earthlings, shit put me off meat, not the taste, i loved the taste, but the process of what happends made me feel like such a piece of shit human, killing an animal and shitting it out into ur toilet 12 hours later is such a waste of a life, but at the end of the day if your going to kill animals dont tourture them and beat them to death or cook them alive or skin them alive, shit is fucked, P.S i hate plants so i eat them
Don't forget you have canine teeth. When the world takes a shit 12 hours later and you're back in nature... well, we can still get down on portulaca, brassicas and hesperoyucca but you'll most likely end up eating squirrels and bugs.
I really suggest you try out foraging for you food a bit. It will open your eyes to how beautiful the earth can be and how the circle of life supports you gracefully, animals included.
Or just say fuck it and go fuck the earth a little bit more by buying more and more of your food.
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Some Norwegian just wrote a pretty good piece about what you guys are arguing; Would you rather be ethically and inconsistent (in some cases you care about) or consistently indifferent (ie not caring about anything)?
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I like that post
We hunt and forage in many ways. These days I live in the bush so its pretty awesome in the nature regard.
We dont buy salad, we use nettle and dandelion from the yard/bush. I find all sorts of gems in nature. Even wild rhubarb and mint.
We teach our kids too. They can hunt and snare, fish, fillet etc. They drink alot of homemade teas which is awesome.
All in all maybe thats where my appreesh for nature comes from?
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Are dogs more important then humans?
Sometimes. In choosing dogs to compete in professional dog racing, dogs are more important than humans, since they have more of what makes for importance: Run fast and be a dog.
Morally, this festival is wrong, if the goods that come from the festival (to economy, community, individuals - especially the sadistic) are outweighed the harms that make it wrong.
Imagine what it would be like for the 2 year olds, if this festival was done to 2 year old humans.
The harm/pain of the 2 years olds is part of the reason that a festival for 2 year olds is wrong.
That is, the goods that come from the festival are not worth the horrific experience of 2 year olds.
Dogs have comparable cognitive abilities as 2 year olds, so comparable horror.
So, if wrong to do to 2 year olds, then wrong to do to dogs, since what makes it wrong to do to 2 year olds, dogs have too.
Im not denying it sucks to hear about these dogs being treated this way. But its their culture. Are you better then them?
Fuck no, your one in the same. Welcome to life on planet earth. Fuckin enjoy it.
Let me guess, you're an active member in NAMBLA, you disgusting fuck
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No not at all. Ñambla is fucked
Im speaking more towards nature. We are all apart of it.
Societies, culture or whatever all effect our perceptions on our moral compass.
Im saying what they deem fit, in north america is disputed.
Its obviously a complicated issue to understand.
I cant believe you postured me with Nambla
That really sucks man. I have 3 dogs and 6 kids. My moral compass says feed them good, educate, have fun, teach some life skills and just enjoy.
Fuck I would never hurt my kids.
Id die gracefully before i ever did them harm. Thats my role as a parent
But in africa or china or whatever, who the fuck knows what goes on?
Look at our own shit in north america. Its fuckin disgusting. Homeless veterans, kids with fucked up cancers, honest people loosing homes.
Fuck, i mean i wanna fight for humanity and nature, but it starts at home. Im worried about here, my family, my country first.
Fuckin peta and nambla make me wanna barf
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No not at all. Ñambla is fucked
Im speaking more towards nature. We are all apart of it.
Societies, culture or whatever all effect our perceptions on our moral compass.
Im saying what they deem fit, in north america is disputed.
Its obviously a complicated issue to understand.
I cant believe you postured me with Nambla
That really sucks man. I have 3 dogs and 6 kids. My moral compass says feed them good, educate, have fun, teach some life skills and just enjoy.
Fuck I would never hurt my kids.
Id die gracefully before i ever did them harm. Thats my role as a parent
But in africa or china or whatever, who the fuck knows what goes on?
Look at our own shit in north america. Its fuckin disgusting. Homeless veterans, kids with fucked up cancers, honest people loosing homes.
Fuck, i mean i wanna fight for humanity and nature, but it starts at home. Im worried about here, my family, my country first.
Fuckin peta and nambla make me wanna barf
HEY DUDE , FUCK YOU !
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No not at all. �ambla is fucked
Im speaking more towards nature. We are all apart of it.
Societies, culture or whatever all effect our perceptions on our moral compass.
Im saying what they deem fit, in north america is disputed.
Its obviously a complicated issue to understand.
I cant believe you postured me with Nambla
That really sucks man. I have 3 dogs and 6 kids. My moral compass says feed them good, educate, have fun, teach some life skills and just enjoy.
Fuck I would never hurt my kids.
Id die gracefully before i ever did them harm. Thats my role as a parent
But in africa or china or whatever, who the fuck knows what goes on?
Look at our own shit in north america. Its fuckin disgusting. Homeless veterans, kids with fucked up cancers, honest people loosing homes.
Fuck, i mean i wanna fight for humanity and nature, but it starts at home. Im worried about here, my family, my country first.
Fuckin peta and nambla make me wanna barf
HEY DUDE , FUCK YOU !
Whatever.
Sad to see shit like this
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Im a proud parent, and a proud dog owner.
Do i like that china is killing dogs? No absolutely not
But thats their culture. Can i change it? Probably not but I can push for nature, and that includes humans.
Everything natural on this earth deserves respect. But its complicated.
4 years ago our boxer died, she was poisened with what the vet thinks was antifreeze. To us it was heartbreaking. She was such a great dog.
I let me kids pick her spot to lay to rest. It was about 100 yards from where we fish alot. We visited her a few times that winter.
I explained to my kids how she would live on, in other ways.
In the spring we went to see her. Small rodents had picked her clean. We all shared a good cry.
As spring went on, we visited and she was surrounded by tiger lillies, my wifes favourite flower. The kids really liked that.
About a week later we found out we were pregnant. The name came up really quick
Lily
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I cant believe you postured me with Nambla
Cut a little close to the boner?
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I cant believe you postured me with Nambla
Cut a little close to the boner?
I hope you and your family are well.
Enjoy your salad
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If people hunted more they would respect animals more.
so your shot from dozens, maybe hundred of feet away with a rifle/bow is somehow respectful in the sense that it was a fair fight? I mean, did you learn to respect a grizzly bear by engaging him in a one on one fight? I really hope you never decide to respect other human beings, seeing as that would mean they would get shot
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I cant believe you postured me with Nambla
Cut a little close to the boner?
I hope you and your family are well.
Enjoy your salad
Your high road is like everything else about you, dumb.
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Im a proud parent, and a proud dog owner.
Do i like that china is killing dogs? No absolutely not
But thats their culture. Can i change it? Probably not but I can push for nature, and that includes humans.
Everything natural on this earth deserves respect. But its complicated.
4 years ago our boxer died, she was poisened with what the vet thinks was antifreeze. To us it was heartbreaking. She was such a great dog.
I let me kids pick her spot to lay to rest. It was about 100 yards from where we fish alot. We visited her a few times that winter.
I explained to my kids how she would live on, in other ways.
In the spring we went to see her. Small rodents had picked her clean. We all shared a good cry.
As spring went on, we visited and she was surrounded by tiger lillies, my wifes favourite flower. The kids really liked that.
About a week later we found out we were pregnant. The name came up really quick
Lily
Since you're so in touch with nature maybe you should turn off your internet as well.
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I like turtles.
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If people hunted more they would respect animals more.
so your shot from dozens, maybe hundred of feet away with a rifle/bow is somehow respectful in the sense that it was a fair fight? I mean, did you learn to respect a grizzly bear by engaging him in a one on one fight? I really hope you never decide to respect other human beings, seeing as that would mean they would get shot
A animal who has lived his whole life in freedom , without antibiotics , without humans , in nature . Is better then the system we have now
People who go to the store and can buy fish / meat just out of the meat fridge , packed up , know very little of what its all about . I have friends who dont even like to clean the meat since they think its gross
Its alot different when you actual have to cut the head of the duck or chicken , clean it , hang it , cook it . Or treck miles up into the mountains / forests and wait hours / or track animals and then kill it , clean it and so on . Theres a bigger connection to the animal and the food
You have people who the super market and buys tons of meat and then complain about somebody shooting deer .
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Change.org is a joke, if you have a problem with a chinese dude killing dogs, go say it to his face. All these fuckin petitions....worthless. Join an organization or donate money to people who will use it.
Say what you want about PETA but they've done a lot more for animal welfare than you have by eating dandelions with your kids.
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If people hunted more they would respect animals more.
so your shot from dozens, maybe hundred of feet away with a rifle/bow is somehow respectful in the sense that it was a fair fight? I mean, did you learn to respect a grizzly bear by engaging him in a one on one fight? I really hope you never decide to respect other human beings, seeing as that would mean they would get shot
A animal who has lived his whole life in freedom , without antibiotics , without humans , in nature . Is better then the system we have now
People who go to the store and can buy fish / meat just out of the meat fridge , packed up , know very little of what its all about . I have friends who dont even like to clean the meat since they think its gross
Its alot different when you actual have to cut the head of the duck or chicken , clean it , hang it , cook it . Or treck miles up into the mountains / forests and wait hours / or track animals and then kill it , clean it and so on . Theres a bigger connection to the animal and the food
You have people who the super market and buys tons of meat and then complain about somebody shooting deer .
Agree^ Ive sometimes wondered how many people would eat meat if they had to kill the animal themselves, even just once. I also find it trippy talkin to people who have visited slaughter houses say, "yea i couldnt eat meat for like a week after" like wtf changes after a week, it baffling
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A animal who has lived his whole life in freedom , without antibiotics , without humans , in nature . Is better then the system we have now
People who go to the store and can buy fish / meat just out of the meat fridge , packed up , know very little of what its all about . I have friends who dont even like to clean the meat since they think its gross
Its alot different when you actual have to cut the head of the duck or chicken , clean it , hang it , cook it . Or treck miles up into the mountains / forests and wait hours / or track animals and then kill it , clean it and so on . Theres a bigger connection to the animal and the food
You have people who the super market and buys tons of meat and then complain about somebody shooting deer .
That is not practical on any level. Grassfed beef is plenty humane. We don't need to (and couldn't if we tried) revert back to primitive ages where everyone was agrarian. Maybe take 16 year old's to the a farm or food processing plant for a field trip or something, but let's not get mental here.
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Also it's important not to generalize and think of this festival as quintessentially, "Chinese". It's a local tradition in an area of Guanxi province(China's far south bordering Vietnam). It's fucked up how the sensationalist media is portraying this, and is probably leading many dumb people in to demonizing and drawing conclusions on all Chinese people, it's irresponsible. This shit even could have been spear headed by a government agency to build up negative sentiments(yea i know, but it would not be the 1st time by any means). From what I understand the dogs get treated like any livestock animal China(and the most of the world) cramped conditions, rough handling and violence, have you seen the conditions your chickens and eggs come from? If anything it's worse as they are cooped up like that their whole lives, not just for transportation and sale. Same shit happened last year with Faroe Islanders getting demonized for their traditional whale hunt.
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A animal who has lived his whole life in freedom , without antibiotics , without humans , in nature . Is better then the system we have now
People who go to the store and can buy fish / meat just out of the meat fridge , packed up , know very little of what its all about . I have friends who dont even like to clean the meat since they think its gross
Its alot different when you actual have to cut the head of the duck or chicken , clean it , hang it , cook it . Or treck miles up into the mountains / forests and wait hours / or track animals and then kill it , clean it and so on . Theres a bigger connection to the animal and the food
You have people who the super market and buys tons of meat and then complain about somebody shooting deer .
That is not practical on any level. Grassfed beef is plenty humane. We don't need to (and couldn't if we tried) revert back to primitive ages where everyone was agrarian. Maybe take 16 year old's to the a farm or food processing plant for a field trip or something, but let's not get mental here.
Im not saying we should go back to those ways , having cows in a nice fenced area where they can eat and play and have somewhat of a life , same with chickens and so on . Happy smiling and so on . Is fine by me
Ive worked as a chef for almost 10 years and killed / cooked plenty of animals , Belive me it makes a difference in the meat / bird / fish when its had a good life and hanged for the right amount of time
But people are attached from killing , and dont want to deal with it .
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If people hunted more they would respect animals more.
so your shot from dozens, maybe hundred of feet away with a rifle/bow is somehow respectful in the sense that it was a fair fight? I mean, did you learn to respect a grizzly bear by engaging him in a one on one fight? I really hope you never decide to respect other human beings, seeing as that would mean they would get shot
My respect is for nature, that includes people.
Shooting wild game will teach a person alot about nature, and your harvest is the reward. Its a lot of hard work to stay in the forest/swamp for days on end in the freezing cold to shoot a moose 7 miles into the swamp and forest and get a huge animal out.
Get it gutted, drawn and quartered etc. Alot of work goes into it.
If you dont hunt or forage thats cool with me too. I like to know where my food comes from if possible
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Some Norwegian just wrote a pretty good piece about what you guys are arguing; Would you rather be ethically and inconsistent (in some cases you care about) or consistently indifferent (ie not caring about anything)?
This is a wonderful quote and a great question (and an easy one in my eyes).
For some reason, in the case of animal rights, people are more than eager to jump on the "you care about ___ but you don't care about ___??" train of thought. I never really see this in any 'human' related causes: 'you care about breast cancer but not the russian sex slave trade'?? HYPOCRITE.
Trust me I get the logic. Being a veg/animal rights guy myself, I often get annoyed when there's outrage over the treatment of the "cute" animals yet ignore the treatment of the "livestock" ones.
Regardless, any movement to speak up in the defense of the voiceless and helpless is pretty hard to criticize in my eyes. To just sit there with your arms folded and point out hypocrisy (while doing nothing) is lame. And often the focus on these things (like Yulin) will open peoples eyes to the treatment of other animals and make changes in themselves.
I agree that humans are way to detached from where their food comes from and how it's processed. If we were all forced to watch those horrific slaughterhouse videos in school things would be a lot different.
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"Regardless, any movement to speak up in the defense of the voiceless and helpless is pretty hard to criticize in my eyes."
Can't you see how incredibly arrogant it is to try to tell another culture what animal to eat?, if anything it just creates a bigger divide between cultures/nations, how could it ever be taken seriously by the people whose culture is being questioned? Until people come up with a legitimate argument stating why it's more wrong to eat dogs than other animals, it's the same as any other animal raised for livestock and if you participate in that you can't take a moral stance against it. It's the same thing
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If people hunted more they would respect animals more.
so your shot from dozens, maybe hundred of feet away with a rifle/bow is somehow respectful in the sense that it was a fair fight? I mean, did you learn to respect a grizzly bear by engaging him in a one on one fight? I really hope you never decide to respect other human beings, seeing as that would mean they would get shot
A animal who has lived his whole life in freedom , without antibiotics , without humans , in nature . Is better then the system we have now
People who go to the store and can buy fish / meat just out of the meat fridge , packed up , know very little of what its all about . I have friends who dont even like to clean the meat since they think its gross
Its alot different when you actual have to cut the head of the duck or chicken , clean it , hang it , cook it . Or treck miles up into the mountains / forests and wait hours / or track animals and then kill it , clean it and so on . Theres a bigger connection to the animal and the food
You have people who the super market and buys tons of meat and then complain about somebody shooting deer .
My first job was working on a farm, which also slaughtered animals. Every Wednesday and Thursday I'd be emptying cow stomachs and wrestling their hides and guts into large forest green barrels. A compressed air powered "stun bolt" was used on most animals. They mostly died a quick and painless death. We also processed deer brought in by local rednecks. Noticeable signs of struggle were apparent on a large amount of deer. We had one customer with a doe who had a botched slit in her neck which missed her main artery. She was alive for hours in the back of a pick up truck in pain, unbeknownst to the hunter.
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"Regardless, any movement to speak up in the defense of the voiceless and helpless is pretty hard to criticize in my eyes."
Can't you see how incredibly arrogant it is to try to tell another culture what animal to eat?, if anything it just creates a bigger divide between cultures/nations, how could it ever be taken seriously by the people whose culture is being questioned? Until people come up with a legitimate argument stating why it's more wrong to eat dogs than other animals, it's the same as any other animal raised for livestock and if you participate in that you can't take a moral stance against it. It's the same thing
Well see I agree with you, i understand both sides of it.
I think it's arrogant for Americans to criticize the Chinese for slaughter of dogs/cats all the while slaughtering pigs and cows not just for food but for shoes to match their purse. You can't argue with that logic at all, it's hypocrisy and arrogance at it's finest.
I DON'T think it is more wrong to eat a dog than any other animal, they are all equally wrong. I'm anti-Yulin as much as I'm anti-slaughterhouse and so forth. I realize it's their culture but I don't respect it at the expense of life. What I think is arrogant is for humans to put more value on human life than animal life. Holy shit I've become Morrissey.
What you are saying is basically validating the vegetarian/vegan argument, so we agree from different sides I guess.
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Pretty weird how shit like this riles people up.
I bet if we all had a skateboard in hand we'd have a blast skating together
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"Regardless, any movement to speak up in the defense of the voiceless and helpless is pretty hard to criticize in my eyes."
Can't you see how incredibly arrogant it is to try to tell another culture what animal to eat?, if anything it just creates a bigger divide between cultures/nations, how could it ever be taken seriously by the people whose culture is being questioned? Until people come up with a legitimate argument stating why it's more wrong to eat dogs than other animals, it's the same as any other animal raised for livestock and if you participate in that you can't take a moral stance against it. It's the same thing
Well see I agree with you, i understand both sides of it.
I think it's arrogant for Americans to criticize the Chinese for slaughter of dogs/cats all the while slaughtering pigs and cows not just for food but for shoes to match their purse. You can't argue with that logic at all, it's hypocrisy and arrogance at it's finest.
I DON'T think it is more wrong to eat a dog than any other animal, they are all equally wrong. I'm anti-Yulin as much as I'm anti-slaughterhouse and so forth. I realize it's their culture but I don't respect it at the expense of life. What I think is arrogant is for humans to put more value on human life than animal life. Holy shit I've become Morrissey.
What you are saying is basically validating the vegetarian/vegan argument, so we agree from different sides I guess.
Im vegan also! I don't like any kind of violence. I'm also very against creating dehumanizing demonic caricatures of other cultures for mass consumption, as this opens the door to the worst acts humanity has to offer: slavery, genocide, war etc.
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"Regardless, any movement to speak up in the defense of the voiceless and helpless is pretty hard to criticize in my eyes."
Can't you see how incredibly arrogant it is to try to tell another culture what animal to eat?, if anything it just creates a bigger divide between cultures/nations, how could it ever be taken seriously by the people whose culture is being questioned? Until people come up with a legitimate argument stating why it's more wrong to eat dogs than other animals, it's the same as any other animal raised for livestock and if you participate in that you can't take a moral stance against it. It's the same thing
Well see I agree with you, i understand both sides of it.
I think it's arrogant for Americans to criticize the Chinese for slaughter of dogs/cats all the while slaughtering pigs and cows not just for food but for shoes to match their purse. You can't argue with that logic at all, it's hypocrisy and arrogance at it's finest.
I DON'T think it is more wrong to eat a dog than any other animal, they are all equally wrong. I'm anti-Yulin as much as I'm anti-slaughterhouse and so forth. I realize it's their culture but I don't respect it at the expense of life. What I think is arrogant is for humans to put more value on human life than animal life. Holy shit I've become Morrissey.
What you are saying is basically validating the vegetarian/vegan argument, so we agree from different sides I guess.
dammnit so we are on the same side?? what kind of argument is this???
i completely agree with you. anytime someone (usually a non-vegan) talks about how horrible yulin is I'm quick to point out it's their culture and ours is just as violent, with animals and with each other.
now you wanna talk about a part of asian culture i hate?? chopsticks. fuck those things.
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listen motherfucker, chopsticks improve cognitive functions and make you look really cultured around chicks.
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listen motherfucker, chopsticks improve cognitive functions and make you look really cultured around chicks.
Bringing home a moose is the northern equivalent
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Nice to see some people have a brain thats functional
I get blasted then half the things said after that totally support my approach.
Maybe I worded it wrong?
Or im just abudabi for the week???
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Even though Im in favor of killing and eating animals I do belive we need to set a mark on what we can eat
Animals like dolphins , killer wales , orangutangs , chimps , gorillas are highly inteligent and show alot of emotion / feelings
on a personal level I would lump in cats and dogs in there .
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Even though Im in favor of killing and eating animals I do belive we need to set a mark on what we can eat
Animals like dolphins , killer wales , orangutangs , chimps , gorillas are highly inteligent and show alot of emotion / feelings
on a personal level I would lump in cats and dogs in there .
From personal experience, I'd say free range pigs and goats are smarter than dogs. Goats are highly curious little monsters.
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Even though Im in favor of killing and eating animals I do belive we need to set a mark on what we can eat
Animals like dolphins , killer wales , orangutangs , chimps , gorillas are highly inteligent and show alot of emotion / feelings
on a personal level I would lump in cats and dogs in there .
From personal experience, I'd say free range pigs and goats are smarter than dogs. Goats are highly curious little monsters.
Cows are also highly intelligent animals as well.
That's what's frustrating; we only think of certain animals as "worthy" in how they relate to or benefit us, as humans. Their intelligence is judged by our measure of intelligence, as if that's the only one that matters on this planet.
Pigs and Goats are amazing, they are both on my 'future pet bucket list'.
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Even though Im in favor of killing and eating animals I do belive we need to set a mark on what we can eat
Animals like dolphins , killer wales , orangutangs , chimps , gorillas are highly inteligent and show alot of emotion / feelings
on a personal level I would lump in cats and dogs in there .
all animals have feelings, they all show it, no animal has less feelings then another, look at Elephants that Elephant that was chained up for its whole life and it cryed actual tears when it was freed
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umm wow obviously that sucks, but how do you think the cows that go into making your fav skate shoe or processed meat product get treated..? ::)
good thing i wear canvas shoes and dont eat meat
im not up for killing animals for meat, humans can survive without eating meat, im proof, theres so much food that taste like meat that isnt even meat and ive eaten meat, i gave up meat because of the doco called Earthlings, shit put me off meat, not the taste, i loved the taste, but the process of what happends made me feel like such a piece of shit human, killing an animal and shitting it out into ur toilet 12 hours later is such a waste of a life, but at the end of the day if your going to kill animals dont tourture them and beat them to death or cook them alive or skin them alive, shit is fucked, P.S i hate plants so i eat them
Don't forget you have canine teeth. When the world takes a shit 12 hours later and you're back in nature... well, we can still get down on portulaca, brassicas and hesperoyucca but you'll most likely end up eating squirrels and bugs.
I really suggest you try out foraging for you food a bit. It will open your eyes to how beautiful the earth can be and how the circle of life supports you gracefully, animals included.
Or just say fuck it and go fuck the earth a little bit more by buying more and more of your food.
the circle of life does not exist, id love to see a sheep eating a cow
also as a meat eater, its common fact that eating meat and the houses course more polution and damage to the world then a plant based way of living, eating vegetables is healthier for humans then meat, if your sick vegetables have a better chance of getting you better alot quicker then eating a steak, plants need water to live, animals need plants and water, especially farmed aniamls
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The difference is dogs and cats have souls. All the western meats are 100% soulless and therefor okay to eat.
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If people hunted more they would respect animals more
That's why I hunt humans to tell you the truth, people think it's brutal and all but hey, I'm just trying to respect my fellow man ;D
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The difference is dogs and cats have souls. All the western meats are 100% soulless and therefor okay to eat.
they must be born in the same lab as shane oneill then ;)
EDIT* Made in the same lab*
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Even though Im in favor of killing and eating animals I do belive we need to set a mark on what we can eat
Animals like dolphins , killer wales , orangutangs , chimps , gorillas are highly inteligent and show alot of emotion / feelings
on a personal level I would lump in cats and dogs in there .
I personally am just against eating any animal that is endangered. other than that if its farmed i personally see nothing wrong with it.
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No we don't have to eat meat, but it's been part of our diet from the beginning. I like it, I'm not going to stop eating it. I mean have you guys ever had carne asada?
As far as eating dog goes, poverty and hunger will make you eat some questionable things. Those things can become norms. The potato was only considered edible within the last 200 years or so...
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No we don't have to eat meat, but it's been part of our diet from the beginning. I like it, I'm not going to stop eating it. I mean have you guys ever had carne asada?
As far as eating dog goes, poverty and hunger will make you eat some questionable things. Those things can become norms. The potato was only considered edible within the last 200 years or so...
It is considered a delicacy and the meat is the most expensive on the market. I'm vegetarian, part vegan, so this really disgust me.
Some dogs are bred to be eaten, but many are stolen from backyards - imagine your's disappearing like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html)
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No we don't have to eat meat, but it's been part of our diet from the beginning. I like it, I'm not going to stop eating it. I mean have you guys ever had carne asada?
As far as eating dog goes, poverty and hunger will make you eat some questionable things. Those things can become norms. The potato was only considered edible within the last 200 years or so...
It is considered a delicacy and the meat is the most expensive on the market. I'm vegetarian, part vegan, so this really disgust me.
Some dogs are bred to be eaten, but many are stolen from backyards - imagine your's disappearing like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html)
It's my understanding that the Dailymail is a more subtle uk equivalent to the National Enquirer or similar trash tabloid, just sayin, grain of salt
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No we don't have to eat meat, but it's been part of our diet from the beginning. I like it, I'm not going to stop eating it. I mean have you guys ever had carne asada?
As far as eating dog goes, poverty and hunger will make you eat some questionable things. Those things can become norms. The potato was only considered edible within the last 200 years or so...
It is considered a delicacy and the meat is the most expensive on the market. I'm vegetarian, part vegan, so this really disgust me.
Some dogs are bred to be eaten, but many are stolen from backyards - imagine your's disappearing like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html)
Yeah they are kind of a joke , its for people who just want sensation news that is not fact checked really . Still they report on alot of stuff
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No we don't have to eat meat, but it's been part of our diet from the beginning. I like it, I'm not going to stop eating it. I mean have you guys ever had carne asada?
As far as eating dog goes, poverty and hunger will make you eat some questionable things. Those things can become norms. The potato was only considered edible within the last 200 years or so...
It is considered a delicacy and the meat is the most expensive on the market. I'm vegetarian, part vegan, so this really disgust me.
Some dogs are bred to be eaten, but many are stolen from backyards - imagine your's disappearing like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3112430/Chinese-villagers-beat-dog-thieves-NINE-hours-tie-dead-animals-bodies-necks-attacking-police-officers-sent-rescue-crooks.html)
I get that. Read the sentence after the one you highlighted.
sometimes a culture's norms and values don't line up with yours. good thing theres change.org to flex your guilt on to others.
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For some reason, in the case of animal rights, people are more than eager to jump on the "you care about ___ but you don't care about ___??" train of thought. I never really see this in any 'human' related causes: 'you care about breast cancer but not the russian sex slave trade'?? HYPOCRITE.
This is pretty much the point of the article.
I'm not vegan or vegetarian, probably never will be, but I can still care for animals and animal rights. In the case of Yulin, I don't like the way that they treat their to-be food prior to eating it. There is ethical treatment of animals that you are going to eat and there is the straight up wrong treatment and Yulin is the last type. Just because I eat meat doesn't mean that I can't care about that. I might be a hypocrite in someones eyes but frankly I don't have any fucks to hand out.
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For some reason, in the case of animal rights, people are more than eager to jump on the "you care about ___ but you don't care about ___??" train of thought. I never really see this in any 'human' related causes: 'you care about breast cancer but not the russian sex slave trade'?? HYPOCRITE.
I'm not vegan or vegetarian, probably never will be, but I can still care for animals and animal rights. In the case of Yulin, I don't like the way that they treat their to-be food prior to eating it. There is ethical treatment of animals that you are going to eat and there is the straight up wrong treatment and Yulin is the last type. Just because I eat meat doesn't mean that I can't care about that. I might be a hypocrite in someones eyes but frankly I don't have any fucks to hand out.
It doesn't mean you can't care, but if you are eating meat that has been treated in similar ways, you can't justifiably tell other people/cultures not to because of reasons based on your own personal feelings. There is a big difference between "caring" or feeling bad and trying to stop the festival and demonizing those who take part.
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It's interesting to think how, with time, humans may well view our dealings with animals as barbaric. Most all of us recognize dogs as having different characters, yet cows are somehow thought of generally as on par with potatoes in this respect. Is this what is meant by sublimation?
I eat meat occasionally, but never entirely without some inner conflict. I should quit, I really should.
A sentence like 'I am a proud dog owner' puzzles me. What does that even mean?
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you are proud to own a dog, meaning you enjoy dogs and are happy to take care of one.
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you are proud to own a dog, meaning you enjoy dogs and are happy to take care of one.
Touché. I guess.
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i have a problem with people who say they love dogs, or that they are a proud dog owner, and then treat their own dog like shit.
if you say youre a proud dog owner and you treat your dog well, that seems pretty coherent to me.
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Yip, dogs are fuckin awesome.
My huskies are good with the kids, great hunting and fishing dogs too.
Very protective over the family.
They are as hyper as fuck though and need tons of exercise and thus good quality food.
I guess to me proud dog owner means I love and take care of my dogs.
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I just know that if I dropped dead and no one found me for a while, my cat would eventually start eating me, so I have no problem eating that motherfucker if worse comes to worst.
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I just know that if I dropped dead and no one found me for a while, my cat would eventually start eating me, so I have no problem eating that motherfucker if worse comes to worst.
Nah man wont happen. Didnt you read above? Some ignoramus said the circle of life doesnt exist.
You cat wont eat you. It will file all necessary papers for a proper burial, then re decorate your house to suit its needs
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For some reason, in the case of animal rights, people are more than eager to jump on the "you care about ___ but you don't care about ___??" train of thought. I never really see this in any 'human' related causes: 'you care about breast cancer but not the russian sex slave trade'?? HYPOCRITE.
I'm not vegan or vegetarian, probably never will be, but I can still care for animals and animal rights. In the case of Yulin, I don't like the way that they treat their to-be food prior to eating it. There is ethical treatment of animals that you are going to eat and there is the straight up wrong treatment and Yulin is the last type. Just because I eat meat doesn't mean that I can't care about that. I might be a hypocrite in someones eyes but frankly I don't have any fucks to hand out.
Here is the great thing about living the western world: I CAN TELL PEOPLE WHO EAT DOGS TO EAT A DICK AS WELL!!!!!!1!!!1
It just means that I'm a hypocrite if you think that eating dogs and eating (generic) meat is the same, nothing more, nothing less. And that's my right in whatever country I'm in right now. Your idea about how I should think doesn't change that.
Hell, I can eat an ethically slaughtered dog and still be against Yulin. Why? CAUSE ITS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS WHAT MY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS ARE. It's really that simple. Hypocrite? Yes. Wrong? Fuck you. All of you.
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yes essal everyone is free to be illogical lol... normally not something to be proud of but i see youve pre emptively told me to fuck off, so, well played.
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Here is the great thing about living the western world: I CAN TELL PEOPLE WHO EAT DOGS TO EAT A DICK AS WELL!!!!!!1!!!1
It just means that I'm a hypocrite if you think that eating dogs and eating (generic) meat is the same, nothing more, nothing less. And that's my right in whatever country I'm in right now. Your idea about how I should think doesn't change that.
Hell, I can eat an ethically slaughtered dog and still be against Yulin. Why? CAUSE ITS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS WHAT MY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS ARE. It's really that simple. Hypocrite? Yes. Wrong? Fuck you. All of you.
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And now we're angry about a lion being killed guys ::)
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A few years ago there was this story about some hotel in Saudi I think serving lion meat tacos. This always around the time my buddy and I were getting really in to grilling and we got hyped on some lion meat. We found an "exotic" butcher in the city and hit them up. Apparently they weren't that "exotic." We got some rattlesnake though.
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Apparently they weren't that "exotic."
pfffft NOOBS! Dolphin is where it's at though
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Apparently they weren't that "exotic."
pfffft NOOBS! Dolphin is where it's at though
Probably, I always eat my dolphin disguised as albacore.
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Not wanting to eat animals because they're smart (like humans) is speciesist. Why not value ability to smell instead?
Is there a reason that problem solving or self-awareness (other than we have it) is more valuable than appreciating the smell of poop?
Peter Singer has a good test to avoid speciesism (which like sexism or racism is unjust by definition, so wrong, and as wrong ought not to be done).
What we do to animals, do to humans of comparable cognitive abilities.
Would we factory farm, keep in zoos, test products, or hunt toddlers or down syndrome kids?
If no, then shouldn't to non-human animals
If yes, then lets
To avoid speciesism we should either treat animals better or each other much worse.
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omgggg no one cares about utilitarianism its fucking dumb...humans have a different moral status than animals suck a dick
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omgggg no one cares about utilitarianism its fucking dumb...humans have a different moral status than animals suck a dick
Does moral status make a difference to the dick I suck?
Is it better to suck a human's dick than a gorilla's? Or is the act of sucking what's important?
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Sucking a gorilla's dick could be dangerous if you do it wrong. Humans tend to take any blowjob that you'll give them, which makes it relatively safe.
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humans have a different moral status than animals (suck a dick)
See, this is why kick every puppy I see!
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^u are a great crusader for your cause. really making a difference
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^u are a great crusader for your cause. really making a difference
Tell me about it!
Sometimes people get angry at me when they see me doing it but I usually just scream back at them "STOP FORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME ZEALOT". That seems to work, nobody likes having beliefs forced on them right?