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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Jud Nestorkins on January 06, 2017, 08:33:07 AM
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Going to get my first set of bones Swiss. Both same price
Should I get these
(http://images.evo.com/imgp/700/17715/180104/bones-original-swiss-bearings-none.jpg)
Or these
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51JMEAV2JYL.jpg)
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Never had the 6 ball but I've been skating only the og swiss for 10+ years and have only had a handful of sets in that time. They were hands down better than any other bearings I had skated before that. My .02
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6 ball are supposed to be stronger and quicker accelerating for street skating. the theory is they also stay cleaner longer due to only having 6 balls. they seem to last longer for me. get 'em.
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6 ball are supposed to be stronger and quicker accelerating for street skating. the theory is they also stay cleaner longer due to only having 6 balls. they seem to last longer for me. get 'em.
Thanks man. I was leaning towards the 6 balls but I notice that most pros on bones just ride the OG Swiss so I figured there must be something better about them vs the 6 balls
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six balls lasted longer than swiss for me
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6 balls, so so good.
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Make sure you get new wheels and trucks too, don't want no axle slips. 6 balls are fast as f*** especially in new wheels
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6, a little louder buzz, but that makes them better.
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Damn, my next set may have to be the 6 ball then with these reviews!
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I've skated the original swiss, L2's or labyrinth's, and super 6. I prefer the 6's. I'm no physics expert, but I think the larger size ball bearings have less rolling resistance.
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6's.....but I'd recommend race reds tightened down......
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The larger (6) balls are supposed to withstand more load and haver a lower running torque (faster). On the other hand, there's more space between bearings, which may make them weaker for axial loads (side to side). I would think more balls are better for street, and 6 balls would be better for bowls.
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I like the 6's, but I got a flat spot on one of the ball bearings after 4 years. I've had the 7's for 5 years on and just got another pair of the 6's.
You really can't go wrong with these two choices, it's just splitting hairs at this point.
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same price? where
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Never had the Originals. I've had the same 6's for a little over 2 years now. Still going strong. I thought they were done last week but after cleaning/living, they're fast as hell again.
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same price? where
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Super_Swiss_6_Ball_Bearings/descpage-BSSS6BR.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Super_Swiss_6_Ball_Bearings/descpage-BSSS6BR.html)
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Original_Swiss_Bearings/descpage-BSSWBR.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_Original_Swiss_Bearings/descpage-BSSWBR.html)
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Swiss 6 are the fastest bearings that I've ever skating. That being said, I skate the Race Reds now because I like the design better. They aren't as fast though and likely wont last as long as the 6
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Swiss 6 are the fastest bearings that I've ever skating. That being said, I skate the Race Reds now because I like the design better. They aren't as fast though and likely wont last as long as the 6
i wonder if you could take apart a set of each and configure a race 6 ball?
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Swiss 6 are the fastest bearings that I've ever skating. That being said, I skate the Race Reds now because I like the design better. They aren't as fast though and likely wont last as long as the 6
I think the groove of the race reds wouldn't be large enough for the larger 6 ball design to output maximal performance, maybe? I'm just talking out of my ass and have no idea if it's true though.
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Swiss 6 are the fastest bearings that I've ever skating. That being said, I skate the Race Reds now because I like the design better. They aren't as fast though and likely wont last as long as the 6
What do you mean you like the design better? It sounds like the 6 is better designed as in your experience it's faster and more durable. Do you mean how they look?
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Thank you guys. The super 6 it is!
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yea they should make a race swiss6
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
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Taken off some old longboard forum:
The best bearing by design right now is the Super Swiss 6 by Bones with SpeedCream. The Bearing had several advantages. 1) It is manufactured by WIB Bearing. 2) They are made with a tight Raceway curvature to avoid "Excess Axial Play" 3) They are supplied with a Re-enforced plastic cage rated at 150,000 RPM 4)Laberinth Non-Contacting Rubber Seals to keep out dirt. This is the obtimum design for free rotation and keeping out contamination.
Ceramic Ball Bearings are only good if they come with Plastic or Phenolic Ball Cages. As a Hardcore skater skating 4-5 days a week. Super Swiss 6 with Speed cream cant be beat. Fuc* the Abec rating. The Abec rating is designed so that the bearing has manufacturing consistancy in order to manufacture mating parts to simular tolerances. (Re: Precision Shafting and Housings.)
Ron
Oh Yeah
... one more note on why the Super swiss 6 has lower starting and running torque (This is Known as Speed to us skateboarders)
All 608's are made with 7 ball compliment. The Super Swiss 6 is the ONLY 608 manufactured with a 6 ball compliment. The Balls all bigger, can take higher load (Impact), Have less ball surphase touching the raceway with 6 balls instead of 7 which lowers the running torque of the bearing making the bearing get to full speed quicker. I am sure within the next year you will start seeing more 6 ball designs, but right now its WIB(Bones) that makes 'em...At all possible, stick with German or Swiss with Plastic or non-metalic ball cages. Any bearing with a steel cage will be slower no matter where it's made. Grease is just an oil with a thickener, the thickener in the grease will slow down your bearing and running just oil will attract contaminates from far away and not provide proper protection. Use the Good-old Speed Cream in the skate shops. By buying German or Swiss what is important is you will know the bearing is manufactuered by a very high quality bearing manufacturer who does the final raceway polishing what the chinese dont, and who it is. There are so many names and marketing stratagies going on with Chinese Bearings, you will get lost in it all. At my old Company we brought in Chinese Bearings for .12 Each. We had the Stamping machines to Mark the Shields. We did PIG,GIRL,SPEED DEMONS, and several others. All were from the same manufacturing lot with different color/marked shields. Any of those weird brands are probably a .12-.18 cent bearing made by the millions with no quality control and several key manufacturing processes left out in order to sell the U.S. for .12 cents.
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haha note to self: get bones super swiss 6 ball bearings.
been rolling on super reds cause cheap and a little better than reg reds but now im very interested in investing on better bearings hearing all this, faster? stronger? longer rolls? i need this
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My 2 cents, 6balls were faster but regular ones lasted longer.
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Anyone try oust? http://www.oustbearings.com/index.php/products (http://www.oustbearings.com/index.php/products)
I'm wondering if they can compete with bones. I like the idea of having steel ball cages that these feature: I try to stick with bearings for a long time, and the plastic/nylon type always end up breaking on me. I guess they're considered the bearing brand of choice for a lot of gnarly long-boarders and slalom skaters.
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
In short, yes.
I had money to splurge and got those.
They are very expensive but really amazing bearings, fast, low maintenance and bit lighter than standard bearings if that matters to you. They will last for years without trouble.
I would say that they are kinda overkill but if money is not issue or you got good discount get those.
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just adding one more vote to the mix for anyone considering the super swiss: i feel like the difference between 6s and regular swiss is bigger than the difference between reds and swiss, if that helps. lasted forever too
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A crown broke on my set and you can't easily replace it because it's for six balls.....bones sells em though.....I was just too lazy to buy a single like that....
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this thread makes my life bland cause i don't have super swiss 6 ;D
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Yeah I definitely need to feel six balls, I've been running bulk reds.. Makes me feel like a chump!
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get the 6 balls
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how do they compare to bronson?
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how do they compare to bronson?
i have both, the G3 an the swiss 6, i'd go with the 6, im not sure (since i had them set up on two different wheels) if the wheels made it louder, but the swiss are quieter, and roll smoother, the g3's are better than the reds ive had before though. but bottom line if you have the money go with the swiss 6
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The only thing Santa Cruz has going for it is they make some high end mountain bikes.....otherwise...I don't trust it....Powell may not always be everyone's cup of tea w. marketing or design but the quality control for the most part is on point.....
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how do they compare to bronson?
Bronsons fucking suck. The cages break even from skating only very low impact stuff. I'll never buy Bronsons again. It's all marketing hype bullshit if you ask me.
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
In short, yes.
I had money to splurge and got those.
They are very expensive but really amazing bearings, fast, low maintenance and bit lighter than standard bearings if that matters to you. They will last for years without trouble.
I would say that they are kinda overkill but if money is not issue or you got good discount get those.
Mine were none of those things, always getting stuck even when relatively new and I shattered the cages/inner rings in a matter of months and I definitely do not skate anything high impact....
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my experience with super swiss has been good enough to justify the slightly higher price point. they feel sturdier and don't need as much maintenance. i like to think of it as since a bigger wheel would roll over a crack easier than a smaller one so would a larger metal ball ride over dust particles and scum. when just broken in they feel like they give the wheel extra inertia for the spin to last longer. this is my impression about the wheels. nothing special (compared to normal swiss) on the first day but after skated for a bit they feel fast and very sturdy, producing a very satisfying sound
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my experience with super swiss has been good enough to justify the slightly higher price point. they feel sturdier and don't need as much maintenance. i like to think of it as since a bigger wheel would roll over a crack easier than a smaller one so would a larger metal ball ride over dust particles and scum. when just broken in they feel like they give the wheel extra inertia for the spin to last longer. this is my impression about the wheels. nothing special (compared to normal swiss) on the first day but after skated for a bit they feel fast and very sturdy, producing a very satisfying sound
You need to be writing ads for skate products.
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how do they compare to bronson?
Bronsons fucking suck. The cages break even from skating only very low impact stuff. I'll never buy Bronsons again. It's all marketing hype bullshit if you ask me.
Cant say ive ever heard of that happening. After this set, which should last til next Christmas, ill try the swiss
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how do they compare to bronson?
Bronsons fucking suck. The cages break even from skating only very low impact stuff. I'll never buy Bronsons again. It's all marketing hype bullshit if you ask me.
Cant say ive ever heard of that happening. After this set, which should last til next Christmas, ill try the swiss
Mine broke in a few months. Read similar stories here and on Bronson's Facebook. Posted my own case there too. No reply whatsoever. Lowest quality bearings I've had so far and most expensive too.
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how do they compare to bronson?
Bronsons fucking suck. The cages break even from skating only very low impact stuff. I'll never buy Bronsons again. It's all marketing hype bullshit if you ask me.
yeah had the same experience. Same with Reds & Super Reds. Have a pair of Swiss now but haven't skated much. Hopefully they don't let me down. The skateboard industry fucking sucks.
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how do they compare to bronson?
Bronsons fucking suck. The cages break even from skating only very low impact stuff. I'll never buy Bronsons again. It's all marketing hype bullshit if you ask me.
yeah had the same experience. Same with Reds & Super Reds. Have a pair of Swiss now but haven't skated much. Hopefully they don't let me down. The skateboard industry fucking sucks.
Reds have worked good for me. Current set I've treated like shit, then cleaned and lubed up again and they're pretty much perfect. I can't justify paying fucking 80? for the Swiss as random cheap-os are working just fine.
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how do they compare to bronson?
Been rocking Bronson G3s since they released, park only (Except for skating to said park), and they've treated me well, hadn't cleaned or lubed them in months spin fast, roll fast and are loud with shields on; they lasted longer out of the box than my Indy Blacks did (I should clean those...hmmm)....
Set-up a freshie and decided to clean up Swiss Six I've had for a few years now + another set (thanks @BMC) that I rotate in and out the best of the best (I cracked a race and was down one so have 15).
Swiss 6 > Bronsons for sure.
I've only ever skate a set of regulard swiss back in the 80s, damn things laster forever/never cleaned or lubed and that was back in the launch ramp ---> sets era.
I'd imagine more pros 'get' the regular swiss as they, along with Reds, are the cash cows for SO and those brands get pushed more (and have been for decades).
I've a few super reds kicking around still I think, those lasted a while and were nice and fast, too.
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i had a set of swiss bones for 3 years and they were really loud and fast. i still have em lying around. i also have a set of swiss-6 i got in September and they've broken in quicker, they seem much faster and quieter than the regular 6.
overall i feel Bones make the best, long lasting bearings in the business.
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i had a set of swiss bones for 3 years and they were really loud and fast. i still have em lying around. i also have a set of swiss-6 i got in September and they've broken in quicker, they seem much faster and quieter than the regular 6.
overall i feel Bones make the best, long lasting bearings in the business.
Shield off? I got my first pair of Swiss and I don't like how the quiet they are with the shields on, but I don't want to take them off and have $50 go down the drain.
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Yeah I definitely need to feel six balls
I bet you do.
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my experience with super swiss has been good enough to justify the slightly higher price point. they feel sturdier and don't need as much maintenance. i like to think of it as since a bigger wheel would roll over a crack easier than a smaller one so would a larger metal ball ride over dust particles and scum. when just broken in they feel like they give the wheel extra inertia for the spin to last longer. this is my impression about the wheels. nothing special (compared to normal swiss) on the first day but after skated for a bit they feel fast and very sturdy, producing a very satisfying sound
You need to be writing ads for skate products.
hahaha i even tried to make it NOT sound like a product promotion but failed, obviously
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
In short, yes.
I had money to splurge and got those.
They are very expensive but really amazing bearings, fast, low maintenance and bit lighter than standard bearings if that matters to you. They will last for years without trouble.
I would say that they are kinda overkill but if money is not issue or you got good discount get those.
Mine were none of those things, always getting stuck even when relatively new and I shattered the cages/inner rings in a matter of months and I definitely do not skate anything high impact....
Damn that sucks.
Are you sure you had original ones?There are lots of fake Bones bearings on eBay/online.
Did you skate them with shields on?
I would write to Bones if that happened to me with their Ceramics, something was not right with those bearings for sure.
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So I got the 6 balls. They have speed cream right or should I put a couple of drops in?
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So I got the 6 balls. They have speed cream right or should I put a couple of drops in?
They come lubed with speed cream, no need to do anything but skate them.
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I know this is a dead thread but since there is already some decent info here I figured I’d rather ask here than make a new thread.
Are Bones Swiss 6 or the OG Bones Swiss quieter? Looking for the best bearings for a filmer board. How do Red Big Balls (Reds 6 Balls) compare as well?
Otherwise are there better bearings for what I’m looking for (longevity, speed, roll for a long time, and QUIET)?
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I know this is a dead thread but since there is already some decent info here I figured I’d rather ask here than make a new thread.
Are Bones Swiss 6 or the OG Bones Swiss quieter? Looking for the best bearings for a filmer board. How do Red Big Balls (Reds 6 Balls) compare as well?
Otherwise are there better bearings for what I’m looking for (longevity, speed, roll for a long time, and QUIET)?
You just need big soft wheels. Bearings don't matter as much for a filmer board.
You could probably just run reds in soft wheels and be good
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I’ve had both swiss and Swiss 6.
The 6 are worth the extra money based on my personal experience with both.
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Rode OG Swiss for about 10 years. Riding a set of 6 now, I may never go back
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I know this is a dead thread but since there is already some decent info here I figured I’d rather ask here than make a new thread.
Are Bones Swiss 6 or the OG Bones Swiss quieter? Looking for the best bearings for a filmer board. How do Red Big Balls (Reds 6 Balls) compare as well?
Otherwise are there better bearings for what I’m looking for (longevity, speed, roll for a long time, and QUIET)?
Daddies Ceramic built-in's. Tighten the wheels down on 'em. Best bearing for a super quiet cruiser setup in my opinion.
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Super swiss 6s might be too quiet. But its a great option for a film board.
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Damn as far as the sound goes, I have no idea which sounds louder. I’ve never once noticed if my wheels/bearings sound loud ???
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I know this is a dead thread but since there is already some decent info here I figured I’d rather ask here than make a new thread.
Are Bones Swiss 6 or the OG Bones Swiss quieter? Looking for the best bearings for a filmer board. How do Red Big Balls (Reds 6 Balls) compare as well?
Otherwise are there better bearings for what I’m looking for (longevity, speed, roll for a long time, and QUIET)?
Bearings with built-in spacers are going to allow you to tighten the nuts down so there will be no rattle of the speed rings. I have a couple sets and it is crazy how dead they make the board sound. Mentioned above are the Daddies Ceramic - I don't think these are available anymore. I have a set and I don't fell like they aged as well as the Zealous bearings. Cheap Zealous (around $14) take a week or so to break in - but then they get fast and are super well sealed. Bones has their Race Reds as well - but I haven't tried them.
I also have sets of Swiss and Super 6. Both are faster than the Zealous - but if you want quiet as well, run the built ins.
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I admit I’m trendy and pop the shields off my bearings, of course wheel graphics gotta face inward as well ::). I’ve ran shieldless on almost every type of Bones bearing, and they’ve all died at the same rate. Reds are the answer.
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I’ve ran shieldless on almost every type of Bones bearing, and they’ve all died at the same rate. Reds are the answer.
Add a bearing spacer to reds?
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Reds are garbage.
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Reds have never been able to last for me. I bought one set of Swiss back in the day to see the difference, and that set ended up lasting me a few years.
But Swiss 6 is where its at.
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Reds are garbage.
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Reds r 4 broke bois ;)
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yes to swiss 6 all day long!
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You guys think there's a significant difference between ceramics and swiss 6 besides price? I have a weird habit of breaking bearings so if the 6's last longer that'd be cool.
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I bet you’d never notice a difference, all dope tricks went down with traditional Swiss, don’t see bearings changing the game.
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I bet you’d never notice a difference, all dope tricks went down with traditional Swiss, don’t see bearings changing the game.
Yeah I figured. I'm tempted to upgrade since right now I have some really old ceramic reds a buddy gave me mixed with some regular reds to make up for the broken ones.
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swiss 6 with no shields, clean em every time i break a deck, been around a year and still ripping.
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Honestly, I don't think there is noticeable difference at the speeds skaters go, except maybe hill bombing.
I believe Rockin Ron did some engineering speak, with charts and whatnot at one point that proved 6 balls were faster at acceleration than 8 balls and achieved a great top speed.
I've been riding Swiss 6 for years (they just last and last if you maintain them) and just picked up some BigBalls to try out.
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Swiss 6 for life
Clean em every few months with acetone.
I think my oldest set is the best, they just go and go and go.
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swiss 6 for the win
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I don’t get how 6 balls would be better. You have less friction points but it seems like more balls would distribute the load better and put less outward pressure on the spacer.
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I don’t get how 6 balls would be better. You have less friction points but it seems like more balls would distribute the load better and put less outward pressure on the spacer.
don’t know how much it matters but the balls are bigger than the normal ones. I went from the bones L2 to six balls and I noticed they coast longer from one push.
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I don’t get how 6 balls would be better. You have less friction points but it seems like more balls would distribute the load better and put less outward pressure on the spacer.
Maybe since they're bigger they can distribute that load better while also having less friction
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I don’t get how 6 balls would be better. You have less friction points but it seems like more balls would distribute the load better and put less outward pressure on the spacer.
Maybe since they're bigger they can distribute that load better while also having less friction
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100753.0
"All 608's are made with 7 ball compliment. The Super Swiss 6 is the ONLY 608 manufactured with a 6 ball compliment. The Balls all bigger, can take higher load (Impact), Have less ball surphase touching the raceway with 6 balls instead of 7 which lowers the running torque of the bearing making the bearing get to full speed quicker. I am sure within the next year you will start seeing more 6 ball designs, but right now its WIB(Bones) that makes 'em...At all possible, stick with German or Swiss with Plastic or non-metalic ball cages. Any bearing with a steel cage will be slower no matter where it's made. Grease is just an oil with a thickener, the thickener in the grease will slow down yo..."
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i don't have the super 6, but I've had regular swiss and the L2's...about 6 months ago i got the BigBalls which is cheaper version of the super 6...and i am properly impressed. They roll smoother and fast than regular swiss I've had.
at some point when they die, i'll probably upgrade to the super 6 for sure.
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I wanna do Swiss 6 and immediatly pop the shields.
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Question for Bones Swiss / Speed Cream users: how many drops of Speed Cream do you put in after cleaning your bearings? I know the Bones recommendation is just two, but would there be any benefit longevity-wise from putting in like 3-4 drops? Or does that result in a mess?
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Question for Bones Swiss / Speed Cream users: how many drops of Speed Cream do you put in after cleaning your bearings? I know the Bones recommendation is just two, but would there be any benefit longevity-wise from putting in like 3-4 drops? Or does that result in a mess?
Maximum two. The rest will just come out and make a mess of everything. I’d actually prefer 1.5 myself but that’s not that easy to achieve.
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1 and that's it
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Agree with above. 1 or 2 absolute max.
Also Swiss 6 are the best. Consistently the longest lasting bearing for me.
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Question for Bones Swiss / Speed Cream users: how many drops of Speed Cream do you put in after cleaning your bearings? I know the Bones recommendation is just two, but would there be any benefit longevity-wise from putting in like 3-4 drops? Or does that result in a mess?
I usually just use one drop per bearing. Any more than that makes them feel slow and dead
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When I first cleaned mine, I did three and immediately there was oil running out the side of the bearing into the wheel. So yeah, one or two. A little goes a long way.
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I tried two recently and that was too much, be ready to do some high speed runs in the bowl or whatever to burn off the excess.
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Question for Bones Swiss / Speed Cream users: how many drops of Speed Cream do you put in after cleaning your bearings? I know the Bones recommendation is just two, but would there be any benefit longevity-wise from putting in like 3-4 drops? Or does that result in a mess?
I usually just use one drop per bearing. Any more than that makes them feel slow and dead
Yeah for sure!
They end up with that sound like things are waterlogged or tightened down too much, while there is still lots of play, so just one drop in each bearing seems like it works really well.
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Agree with above. 1 or 2 absolute max.
Also Swiss 6 are the best. Consistently the longest lasting bearing for me.
+1 for one drop only, it's plenty and keeps them loud.
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Hey thanks for the input all of you. One drop it is.
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
A good friend of mine has the Swiss Ceramics for over 10 years now.
He skates street, parks and transition mostly.
We skate basically every day if possible (if not shitty german weather..).
Occasionally he's also still jumping stairsets despite being 47 now.
He absolutely swears on them.
So i bought the ceramics some years ago and rode them for five years.
Cleaning them one to two times a year was enough to getting them feel basically brand new.
We both think they're absolutely worth the money (when they still cost 180€).
After 5 years without complication the shields started to bent inwards (was my mistake) and since you dont get replacement shields right now without shipping them i switched them with some Super Swiss Six Balls.
I read a thread on here with someone claiming he's working in the bearing industrie and the six balls were the best bearings for skateboarding in his opinion.
I don't like them tbh. I think they're much slower than the ceramics and i feel they grab much more dirt and get slower very fast.
If the ceramics still cost 180€ instead of 230€ , i would buy them again straight away and give the fairly new SSSB to some kid in the park.
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
A good friend of mine has the Swiss Ceramics for over 10 years now.
He skates street, parks and transition mostly.
We skate basically every day if possible (if not shitty german weather..).
Occasionally he's also still jumping stairsets despite being 47 now.
He absolutely swears on them.
So i bought the ceramics some years ago and rode them for five years.
Cleaning them one to two times a year was enough to getting them feel basically brand new.
We both think they're absolutely worth the money (when they still cost 180€).
After 5 years without complication the shields started to bent inwards (was my mistake) and since you dont get replacement shields right now without shipping them i switched them with some Super Swiss Six Balls.
I read a thread on here with someone claiming he's working in the bearing industrie and the six balls were the best bearings for skateboarding in his opinion.
I don't like them tbh. I think they're much slower than the ceramics and i feel they grab much more dirt and get slower very fast.
If the ceramics still cost 180€ instead of 230€ , i would buy them again straight away and give the fairly new SSSB to some kid in the park.
Still 180€ in Finland. I linked below a few legit Finnish skate shops that have them right now for 180€. Dunno how's the shipping to where you are but I can't imagine it being much for such a small thing. Could ship them in a padded letter.
https://www.realdeal.fi/skeittaus/laakerit/bones-swiss-ceramics-p-11020.html
https://www.beyondstore.fi/product/1417/bones-swiss-ceramics
https://www.cartel.fi/product/5492/bones-swiss-ceramics-bearings
https://ponkes.com/tuote/bones-swiss-ceramics-608/
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Does anyone have the Swiss Ceramics and are they the best bearings you've ever had?
A good friend of mine has the Swiss Ceramics for over 10 years now.
He skates street, parks and transition mostly.
We skate basically every day if possible (if not shitty german weather..).
Occasionally he's also still jumping stairsets despite being 47 now.
He absolutely swears on them.
So i bought the ceramics some years ago and rode them for five years.
Cleaning them one to two times a year was enough to getting them feel basically brand new.
We both think they're absolutely worth the money (when they still cost 180€).
After 5 years without complication the shields started to bent inwards (was my mistake) and since you dont get replacement shields right now without shipping them i switched them with some Super Swiss Six Balls.
I read a thread on here with someone claiming he's working in the bearing industrie and the six balls were the best bearings for skateboarding in his opinion.
I don't like them tbh. I think they're much slower than the ceramics and i feel they grab much more dirt and get slower very fast.
If the ceramics still cost 180€ instead of 230€ , i would buy them again straight away and give the fairly new SSSB to some kid in the park.
The bones bearing shields are all for the most part interchangeable, so you could always put some other shields from old bearings in the ones you want to keep running, otherwise flattening them out with a skate tool always worked for me. Just put them outer face down, sit the wheel nut side of the tool over it and push down and round a bit and they usually flatten out nicely.
Once the joining bit of rubber starts to go on the shields, it often means replacements needed, as they will just fall back out, even if you do everything to get them flat and sitting where they should.
Just a couple of thoughts anyway.
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Thanks to both of you for the info :)
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now I wanna try ceramics :P
But 230€. Might have to wait for black Friday.
Anyone tried the CERAMIC SUPER REDS?
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now I wanna try ceramics :P
But 230€. Might have to wait for black Friday.
Anyone tried the CERAMIC SUPER REDS?
Yes, I had a set, still do have a set actually.
They sure do go fast.
The thing with me, as I have a lot of setups, I try to have the same in everything, so when I had a chance to get a set, I did to try, they were amazing, faster than everything else (except Swiss Ceramics) so I put them on a particular setup, which now never really gets used, as when I skated the other boards, they felt slow and I was not about to get a dozen or more sets when I didn't need them.
Might be a bit silly, but normal Swiss go plenty fast enough for me for everything.
I can easily understand why some people would want them though, getting every little bit of speed out of your setup is important.
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I think everyone should just use regular Bones Swiss and not try anything else ever again. God knows I've experimented witj numerous other bearings by way of hype, marketing and whatnot, and always come back home to the normal Swisses. Best bearings ever, no contest.
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now I wanna try ceramics :P
But 230€. Might have to wait for black Friday.
Anyone tried the CERAMIC SUPER REDS?
I've been on the Super Red Ceramics for several months. Still fast af. My other setups have Bronson Raw and Super Reds but require consistent cleaning /relubes. My local is an odd park with transitions located with way too much distance between them. I also never push off so any loss of speed is immediately noticed. They're the quietest bearings I've seen. Will probably buy 2 more sets if I can catch a sale.
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You guys think there's a significant difference between ceramics and swiss 6 besides price? I have a weird habit of breaking bearings so if the 6's last longer that'd be cool.
The difference is night and day - swiss ceramics feel like I'm on ice, there's no friction.
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I can't see myself ever needing to go faster than a Swiss 6 lets me go. Break them in. They are never as fast out of the gate. Even Bones acknowledges their bearings aren't gong to be as fast brand new as they will once 'broken in.'
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I feel like after all these years I've been skating, seeing them in shops priced well above other bearings, has given them a sort of mystique to me. I feel like I need to try them now that I can afford my own skate gear.
edit: ceramics, not regular swiss.
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the swiss 6 are definitely way more durable and i feel like they gain speed faster but ceramics roll longer
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Okay, as someone who has only had shit luck with regular Bones Reds, what should I potentially try? I’m a little wary despite the praise the Swiss and ceramics get because plain reds have always felt slower and less durable than mini logos, which are about half the price.
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I’m a little wary despite the praise the Swiss and ceramics get because plain reds have always felt slower and less durable than mini logos, which are about half the price.
I don't understand how your issue with Reds affects your feelings about Swiss.
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I’m a little wary despite the praise the Swiss and ceramics get because plain reds have always felt slower and less durable than mini logos, which are about half the price.
I don't understand how your issue with Reds affects your feelings about Swiss.
It’s not really my feelings on Swiss, just more that I’m unsure of the choice between Swiss/6/ceramics and my experience with their other products kind of muddies the waters. They make mini logo bearings too
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Just get Swiss 6. If you get them on sale, they're basically the cost of two packs of Reds and will last for years after the Reds have gone to the landfill.
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I can't see myself ever needing to go faster than a Swiss 6 lets me go. Break them in. They are never as fast out of the gate. Even Bones acknowledges their bearings aren't gong to be as fast brand new as they will once 'broken in.'
This is a misunderstanding of what makes ceramics great: Swiss ceramics don't make you go faster, they retain the speed you have for a longer time, meaning less pushing and less pumping.
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I can't see myself ever needing to go faster than a Swiss 6 lets me go. Break them in. They are never as fast out of the gate. Even Bones acknowledges their bearings aren't gong to be as fast brand new as they will once 'broken in.'
I still don't think I'd need them for the types of skateboarding I like to do. Perhaps if I was getting geared up in leathers and full face helmet.
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Okay, as someone who has only had shit luck with regular Bones Reds, what should I potentially try? I’m a little wary despite the praise the Swiss and ceramics get because plain reds have always felt slower and less durable than mini logos, which are about half the price.
Reds and Mini Logo are literally the same bearings, from the same distributor. It's all branding and advertising. If you want the cheapest "Reds", get Rollerbones. But to address your weariness, swiss are a significant step up in terms of performance, but all bearings break, and it's pretty much random regardless of the brand and build quality. It all comes down to how much coin you're willing to gamble with.
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Swiss 6 are a noticeable step up from „bottom shelf“ bearings (if you can call Reds that). Can‘t comment on ceramics but all that talk makes me want to buy them, or request them as a b-day or Christmas gift. :D
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I feel that ceramic stuff is for longboarders, we don't need that much speed for our stuff.
That being said + returning to the topic itself I had both classic swiss and swiss 6. To me they feel the same in terms of speed and acceleration but 6 last longer in my experience.
I always recommend swiss 6 to everybody
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swiss 6 are where its at.
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I have both the regular 6 and the Swiss 6. They both are great, whichever you have the money for. I was always a pop the shield type. No matter what brand they always shitted out. I've been keeping the shields on lately and cleaning every few months. Made the biggest difference...
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I have both the regular 6 and the Swiss 6. They both are great, whichever you have the money for. I was always a pop the shield type. No matter what brand they always shitted out. I've been keeping the shields on lately and cleaning every few months. Made the biggest difference...
So you’re saying that the protective shield… protects the bearing internals? And regular maintenance will make them last longer? Holy shit!
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The Scott Thompson thread made me think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo
No body gets it when I say I'm sick of the Swiss
Got a problem with that Belgium?
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I have both the regular 6 and the Swiss 6. They both are great, whichever you have the money for. I was always a pop the shield type. No matter what brand they always shitted out. I've been keeping the shields on lately and cleaning every few months. Made the biggest difference...
So you’re saying that the protective shield… protects the bearing internals? And regular maintenance will make them last longer? Holy shit!
Doh! My palm my forehead