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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: CINCINNATI on July 01, 2017, 07:07:30 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BWAobdEhcdF/?taken-by=vansarcad (https://www.instagram.com/p/BWAobdEhcdF/?taken-by=vansarcad)
thoughts? not sure if they are fully usa made, or if a part of them is. not sure the percentage needed to qualify for made vs. built in usa. none of my local shops have accounts, one used to have a syndicate account but thats gone.
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Are these cupsole?
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Likely just as "Made in the USA" as Indy's are
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Likely just as "Made in the USA" as Indy's are
ie. mostly?
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Since the run is limited to 700, my guess is it's just fab, materials are probably sourced.
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Rumor has the price at $270 ::) :D ::) :D
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Rumor has the price at $270 ::) :D ::) :D
They are! $135 wholesale price. :o
Likely just as "Made in the USA" as Indy's are
Inside the tongue, it says "Made in the USA from imported materials"
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Pics I took. Like that in that video, it also comes in white suede.
Drops this Saturday. I think.
(http://i.imgur.com/cSwsE0ml.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jv3dLfJl.jpg)
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I can already hear Rowley pushing these
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http://www.rippedlaces.com - understanding-the-construction-cost-of-vans-american-made-style-113-pro (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2017/07/understanding-the-construction-cost-of-vans-american-made-style-113-pro/)
For years, we've heard the cry of many asking for an American-made product that they can proudly wear. Skateboarders were no exception in this public outcry and after some doubts about its possibilities, Vans introduces the Style 113 Pro USA.
Limited to 700 individually numbered pairs, the Style 113 Pro USA is the first Vans model to be made in the United States in the last 20 years. Back in '66, Vans was known for their American-made footwear and in revisiting their heritage, they've sacrificed no detail. The leather and suede combination is met with 'Made in U.S.A.' branding throughout the upper and tongue, along with your mandatory side stripe. A UltraCush HD sockliner can be found within this team model, making it extremely ideal for skating.
The Style 113 will be available in select skate shops on July 8th for an estimated $270. For those asking why the price is so steep, it's simply because American labor doesn't come so cheap. For those asking why it's a cupsole, it's because the vulcanization process involves adding sulfur to rubber in order to manipulate the compound. From there, it must be baked using a kiln and that involves a high use of fossil fuels - more than the EPA would allow; that's why all vulcanized models are made outside of the US. A cupsole, in this case, just calls for some adhesive and additional stitching.
The Style 113, offered in a white leather upper/black outsole and a black leather upper/white outsole.
It'll be an interesting to see how consumers react to Vans American-made footwear. As stated before, we've been subjected to numerous inquiries about US made skate shoes for years and now that they're here, (at the price that we expected them to be) only time will tell if those asking will be the same who purchase these handcrafted shoes.
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http://www.rippedlaces.com - understanding-the-construction-cost-of-vans-american-made-style-113-pro (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2017/07/understanding-the-construction-cost-of-vans-american-made-style-113-pro/)
For years, we've heard the cry of many asking for an American-made product that they can proudly wear. Skateboarders were no exception in this public outcry and after some doubts about its possibilities, Vans introduces the Style 113 Pro USA.
Limited to 700 individually numbered pairs, the Style 113 Pro USA is the first Vans model to be made in the United States in the last 20 years. Back in '66, Vans was known for their American-made footwear and in revisiting their heritage, they've sacrificed no detail. The leather and suede combination is met with 'Made in U.S.A.' branding throughout the upper and tongue, along with your mandatory side stripe. A UltraCush HD sockliner can be found within this team model, making it extremely ideal for skating.
The Style 113 will be available in select skate shops on July 8th for an estimated $270. For those asking why the price is so steep, it's simply because American labor doesn't come so cheap. For those asking why it's a cupsole, it's because the vulcanization process involves adding sulfur to rubber in order to manipulate the compound. From there, it must be baked using a kiln and that involves a high use of fossil fuels - more than the EPA would allow; that's why all vulcanized models are made outside of the US. A cupsole, in this case, just calls for some adhesive and additional stitching.
The Style 113, offered in a white leather upper/black outsole and a black leather upper/white outsole.
It'll be an interesting to see how consumers react to Vans American-made footwear. As stated before, we've been subjected to numerous inquiries about US made skate shoes for years and now that they're here, (at the price that we expected them to be) only time will tell if those asking will be the same who purchase these handcrafted shoes.
max id spend on a pair of shoes that will get worn to skate in is like $100. but they better be fucking tanks like a blazer, none of this waffle shit that wears down in 3 weeks. I have no problem spending >$100 on some alden or allen edmonds, but skate shoes, yes I am a cheapskate. (no pun intended)
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yea right you intended the shit outta that pun
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Sooooo judging from that article, the production of vulcanized soles arent up to u.s regulations...... that is insane.
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Sooooo judging from that article, the production of vulcanized soles arent up to u.s regulations...... that is insane.
SCIENCE BITCH
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Sooooo judging from that article, the production of vulcanized soles arent up to u.s regulations...... that is insane.
very interesting honestly
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I know there are factories in Japan that make vulcanized shoes, surprised if US regs won't allow Japanese regs are OK with the process.
Also, I don't totally buy the labor cost calculation. Vans were made in the US until what, the mid or late 90s? And they were $50 or so. $50 in 1995 is $80 now. Not $270 fuckin dollars. Even if labor costs outstripped inflation significantly, that doesn't get you to $270. I understand there's economies of scale and Vans doesn't own factories here anymore but come on.
If they're going to be $270 don't fucking bother.
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I know there are factories in Japan that make vulcanized shoes, surprised if US regs won't allow Japanese regs are OK with the process.
Also, I don't totally buy the labor cost calculation. Vans were made in the US until what, the mid or late 90s? And they were $50 or so.? $50 in 1995 is $80 now. Not $270 fuckin dollars. Even if labor costs outstripped inflation significantly, that doesn't get you to $270. I understand there's economies of scale and Vans doesn't own factories here anymore but come on.
If they're going to be $270 don't fucking bother.
I have a feeling the materials in these are higher quality, they don't look like your $30 canvas authentics you get from journeys or zumiez. not saying ill buy them at all, the price is still wack. I just don't get the vans idea of being an "American heritage" brand to the point of painting a "made in the usa" thing on the wall of the vans HB skatepark, and having every pro over 45 back them (hosoi, grosso, cab) but they still cant make anything in California. yes, van doren puts on for the action sports world, but atleast put your money where your mouth is and make something here. there has to be some technology that can bypass the vulcanization environmental problem in a way that is safe and cheap.
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I know there are factories in Japan that make vulcanized shoes, surprised if US regs won't allow Japanese regs are OK with the process.
Also, I don't totally buy the labor cost calculation. Vans were made in the US until what, the mid or late 90s? And they were $50 or so. $50 in 1995 is $80 now. Not $270 fuckin dollars. Even if labor costs outstripped inflation significantly, that doesn't get you to $270. I understand there's economies of scale and Vans doesn't own factories here anymore but come on.
If they're going to be $270 don't fucking bother.
They're only making 700 pairs. If they were making 20000 the price would come down not just because of the savings made as per economies of scale but they would be "less desirable" due to being more available.
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I know there are factories in Japan that make vulcanized shoes, surprised if US regs won't allow Japanese regs are OK with the process.
Also, I don't totally buy the labor cost calculation. Vans were made in the US until what, the mid or late 90s? And they were $50 or so.?? $50 in 1995 is $80 now. Not $270 fuckin dollars. Even if labor costs outstripped inflation significantly, that doesn't get you to $270. I understand there's economies of scale and Vans doesn't own factories here anymore but come on.
If they're going to be $270 don't fucking bother.
I have a feeling the materials in these are higher quality, they don't look like your $30 canvas authentics you get from journeys or zumiez. not saying ill buy them at all, the price is still wack. I just don't get the vans idea of being an "American heritage" brand to the point of painting a "made in the usa" thing on the wall of the vans HB skatepark, and having every pro over 45 back them (hosoi, grosso, cab) but they still cant make anything in California. yes, van doren puts on for the action sports world, but atleast put your money where your mouth is and make something here. there has to be some technology that can bypass the vulcanization environmental problem in a way that is safe and cheap.
I honestly don't think the environmental aspect is the problem, the kilns they use for making vulcs are just big ovens. I think it was just a nice sounding excuse to why their not vulc (saving the environment my ass). Of course theyre not gonna buy a big kiln for just one run of shoes. I don't see how a big oven would burn so much gas that the EPA wouldn't allow it. Maybe its a California thing?
This is simply a shoe for the rockabilly wankers.
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Damn these shoes actually look super nice. I'd definitely buy a pair if they were like 1/3 of the price.
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This is all just some dumb marketing hype shit to sell more vans to people who are on to the fact that they're making them worse than ever these days.
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I know there are factories in Japan that make vulcanized shoes, surprised if US regs won't allow Japanese regs are OK with the process.
Also, I don't totally buy the labor cost calculation. Vans were made in the US until what, the mid or late 90s? And they were $50 or so.?? $50 in 1995 is $80 now. Not $270 fuckin dollars. Even if labor costs outstripped inflation significantly, that doesn't get you to $270. I understand there's economies of scale and Vans doesn't own factories here anymore but come on.
If they're going to be $270 don't fucking bother.
I have a feeling the materials in these are higher quality, they don't look like your $30 canvas authentics you get from journeys or zumiez. not saying ill buy them at all, the price is still wack. I just don't get the vans idea of being an "American heritage" brand to the point of painting a "made in the usa" thing on the wall of the vans HB skatepark, and having every pro over 45 back them (hosoi, grosso, cab) but they still cant make anything in California. yes, van doren puts on for the action sports world, but atleast put your money where your mouth is and make something here. there has to be some technology that can bypass the vulcanization environmental problem in a way that is safe and cheap.
This is simply a shoe for the rockabilly wankers.
Doubt they used the environmental aspect as a means of getting away with not making them vulc just cause they wanted cupsoles. Ripped Laces wrote this article ( http://www.rippedlaces.com/2015/12/why-skate-shoes-will-never-be-made-in-the-usa/ (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2015/12/why-skate-shoes-will-never-be-made-in-the-usa/) ) back in 2015 speaking about it regardless of vans wanting to make this shoe in 2017.
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This is all just some dumb marketing hype shit to sell more vans to people who are on to the fact that they're making them worse than ever these days.
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This is all just some dumb marketing hype shit to sell more vans to people who are on to the fact that they're making them worse than ever these days.
even though i agree for the most part, the pro skate series are way better than anything vans made before in the last 10 years
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I hope that someday Vans will come to their senses and make another cup sole slip on, it would look really good with that sole.
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I hope that someday Vans will come to their senses and make another cup sole slip on, it would look really good with that sole.
the TNT slip was way ahead of the curve.
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It would be cool to see a vegan USA made vans cupsole.
I wonder how many pairs of shoes a factory worker can make in an hour. Does it really mean that the shoes need to be 3x more expensive just because they cost $20 more to make? How about take a fucking hit to do the right thing.
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I hope that someday Vans will come to their senses and make another cup sole slip on, it would look really good with that sole.
the TNT slip was way ahead of the curve.
Yeah those were awesome. I used to always see them at the Ross by my old house almost weekly, wish I would've stocked up.
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can we get an update on if any of you fools pulled the trigger on these bad boys
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Wonder if anyone will skate in them.
They look ok but not feeling the midsole around the heel, looks a bit off.