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Title: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: streetsoup on December 13, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
I don't know a lot about the Net Neutrality topic, but after reading the Jenkem article and doing some other research, I was lead to believe that our experience using the internet on a daily basis could drastically change because of this. Who knows. But what I was wondering if this thing does go through and the Internet world is changed forever, requiring us to pay for our preferred websites, would you as a SLAP user pay to come on here and troll and discuss the meaningless happenings of the skate world? What about paying for thrasher or other skate sources?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on December 13, 2017, 02:11:50 PM
Considering all I do on the internet besides Uni is skate nerd yeah I guess I would but fuck me I hope this doesn't go through.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: GAY on December 13, 2017, 02:15:39 PM
Net neutrality's repeal is going to bend us all over for a while until the Democrats take power again.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Silky Johnson on December 13, 2017, 02:31:44 PM
The FCC are corrupt to no end, I don't understand how such an important resource like the internet can be compromised by a few money grubbing assholes.
(https://s18.postimg.org/f293ix62h/fcc-property-of-verizon.jpg)
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: SOTY on December 13, 2017, 02:37:44 PM
Could the online petitions we've all signed at least once actually help?  ::)
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 02:43:03 PM
you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: tobey on December 13, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.

I would feel really sorry for a person that only uses the internet just to come on SLAP
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 03:02:03 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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I would feel really sorry for a person that only uses the internet just to come on SLAP

slap has value because it is run by skaters, be sorry for those who come on to the internet for facebook and google
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: tobey on December 13, 2017, 03:22:03 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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I would feel really sorry for a person that only uses the internet just to come on SLAP
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slap has value because it is run by skaters, be sorry for those who come on to the internet for facebook and google

SLAP is facebook for skaters
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Silky Johnson on December 13, 2017, 03:26:23 PM
you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: thespacewolf on December 13, 2017, 03:27:24 PM
Slap of skater owned
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: super-basic on December 13, 2017, 03:38:16 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.

Not to mention that a lot of ISPs are also content providers, like Comcast or Time Warner.  I wonder who's content gets the go ahead on the fast lane. But good looking out, Ajit Pai.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: SOTY on December 13, 2017, 03:53:11 PM
Fuck this man, his bosses, and the corporations who buy him lunch.
(http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/01/pai-fcc.jpg)
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: CHONGO on December 13, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
spend an extra 10 dollars a month to use slap.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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I would feel really sorry for a person that only uses the internet just to come on SLAP
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slap has value because it is run by skaters, be sorry for those who come on to the internet for facebook and google
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SLAP is facebook for skaters

no facebook exploits and enslaves its users, whereas slap does not because skaters are in charge.  Facebook doesn't give a crap about anybody except the advertisers
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
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Not to mention that a lot of ISPs are also content providers, like Comcast or Time Warner.  I wonder who's content gets the go ahead on the fast lane. But good looking out, Ajit Pai.

then don't use them
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: super-basic on December 13, 2017, 04:12:42 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
[close]

Not to mention that a lot of ISPs are also content providers, like Comcast or Time Warner.  I wonder who's content gets the go ahead on the fast lane. But good looking out, Ajit Pai.
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then don't use them

In lots of areas there is only one choice.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 04:13:47 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.

websites don't pay for internet
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 04:14:55 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
[close]

Not to mention that a lot of ISPs are also content providers, like Comcast or Time Warner.  I wonder who's content gets the go ahead on the fast lane. But good looking out, Ajit Pai.
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then don't use them
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In lots of areas there is only one choice.

then throw your computer out the window and go skate
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Silky Johnson on December 13, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
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websites don't pay for internet
Not yet because of net neutrality
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: super-basic on December 13, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
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websites don't pay for internet

Not now they don't, because of net neutrality.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 04:19:32 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
[close]

websites don't pay for internet
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Not now they don't, because of net neutrality.

either way slap doesn't need a fast lane, its just text and some gif
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: max power on December 13, 2017, 04:19:42 PM
I would feel really sorry for a person that only uses the internet just to come on SLAP
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2uj0cad.jpg)
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: georgethecat on December 13, 2017, 04:26:10 PM
The FCC are corrupt to no end, I don't understand how such an important resource like the internet can be compromised by a few money grubbing assholes.
(https://s18.postimg.org/f293ix62h/fcc-property-of-verizon.jpg)

Life on this planet is increasingly in jeopardy at the hands of what is basically a few money grubbing assholes. Don't underestimate that shit.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: tobey on December 13, 2017, 04:44:26 PM
Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: SOTY on December 13, 2017, 04:49:14 PM
Taluk is Ajit Pai, confirmed.
#PrayForSlap
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on December 13, 2017, 05:21:10 PM
I’ve been doing a little bit of reading on this and I can’t help but think will everybody start buying DVDs again? Will this be the return of the full length?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: GAY on December 13, 2017, 05:26:10 PM
Fuck this man, his bosses, and the corporations who buy him lunch.
(http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/01/pai-fcc.jpg)

That's one likable, lickable face.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 05:45:14 PM
Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling

I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Mongoloid on December 13, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon

Oh to be young and naive, maybe even borderline regular. When I’m able to sit down at my PC, I’m going to jerk the fuck off to the non throttled porn streams I’m freely able to access, and then I’m going to list numerous reasons for why you are an unknowing fuckwit as to the scope of what the repeal would actually entail.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Mongoloid on December 13, 2017, 06:03:24 PM
Furthermore Taluk, I love that you’re more than likely going to continue to keep posting. It gives me an opportunity to tell you how fucking stupid you are repeatedly, but even then there is not enough time in a single day to stress how impaired your basic brain functions are. I hope as you type each word you void your bowels just a little, and you feel that liquid warmth of stupid running down your pathetic person pant legs.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 13, 2017, 06:04:18 PM
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you already pay for internet, unless you are using somebody else's.  Net neutrality should actually make someone's bill who only uses slap cheaper since it doesn't take that much resource.
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If slap or any small websites can't afford to use "the fast lane" of the internet then it'll be almost unusable because of throttling.
[close]

websites don't pay for internet

I'm not trying to buy skate videos and wonder if they're worth it and physical porn mags are hard to hide
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: tobey on December 13, 2017, 06:04:55 PM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon

What good would come though? Small businesses aka SLAP will get fucked hard over this. If you don't care, which it seems like you obviously do, what good will come? Why fix something that isn't broken?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Mongoloid on December 13, 2017, 06:23:36 PM
Fuck Taluk! I bet your favorite pair of person pants are cut off mid calf! Like some insecure beachcombing capri cunt. Just wear shorts you frothy mouthed mook.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: georgethecat on December 13, 2017, 06:34:40 PM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon
[close]

Oh to be young and naive, maybe even borderline regular. When I’m able to sit down at my PC, I’m going to jerk the fuck off to the non throttled porn streams I’m freely able to access, and then I’m going to list numerous reasons for why you are an unknowing fuckwit as to the scope of what the repeal would actually entail.

But think of the potential opportunities!
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on December 13, 2017, 06:35:42 PM
Better pay extra for my posts I'm HBO up in this shit
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Hands down Hass out on December 13, 2017, 06:44:32 PM
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The FCC are corrupt to no end, I don't understand how such an important resource like the internet can be compromised by a few money grubbing assholes.
(https://s18.postimg.org/f293ix62h/fcc-property-of-verizon.jpg)
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Life on this planet is increasingly in jeopardy at the hands of what is basically a few money grubbing assholes. Don't underestimate that shit.

nailed it.


I’ve been doing a little bit of reading on this and I can’t help but think will everybody start buying DVDs again? Will this be the return of the full length?

hope so.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Mongoloid on December 13, 2017, 06:45:37 PM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon
[close]

Oh to be young and naive, maybe even borderline regular. When I’m able to sit down at my PC, I’m going to jerk the fuck off to the non throttled porn streams I’m freely able to access, and then I’m going to list numerous reasons for why you are an unknowing fuckwit as to the scope of what the repeal would actually entail.
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But think of the potential opportunities!

Monopolistic multi millionaire corporations have your average citizen’s best  interest at heart!
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: super-basic on December 13, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
I hope taluk is just a dumb 12 year old and not actually an adult who has extremely incorrect ideas on how the internet works, and feels so confident in his shitty ideas that he has no second thoughts about bringing them up.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Mongoloid on December 13, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
I hope taluk is just a dumb 12 year old and not actually an adult who has extremely incorrect ideas on how the internet works, and feels so confident in his shitty ideas that he has no second thoughts about bringing them up.

I hope much worse for Taluk. I’m glad you’re reserved in your hopeful assumptions.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: shark tits on December 13, 2017, 07:07:38 PM
taluk is israel shill and quentin tarentino-esque nerd, ben shapiro!
and he would've gotten away w/ it too if it wasn't for you meddling slap pals.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: taluk on December 13, 2017, 07:23:57 PM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon
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What good would come though? Small businesses aka SLAP will get fucked hard over this. If you don't care, which it seems like you obviously do, what good will come? Why fix something that isn't broken?

i have no idea what good will come, and there is no way to tell if SLAP will get destroyed.  I'm hoping that media will be back in the control of skaters out of it.

Right now algorithms determine what is highly ranked, just look at SOTY and the abundance of clips on instagram (owned by facebook).  These algorithms reward those who satisfy the algorithm the best (its a formula).  Thrasher is at the mercy of all these social platforms (facebook, instagram, youtube) with no way to take control themselves.  It would be nice to see Thrasher take back control and run the show, rather than mark zuk.  The problem is that thrasher is so big that i think it could be easier to play it safe, than develop their own technology that runs on the internet.  I would argue things are broken.

Moreover, these algorithms are designed with AI, behavioral economics, and human psychology to exploit the user to keep their attention on these platforms as long as possible.  Those who give marky what he wants like good little boys and girls get some money, pushing skaters more and more into a small box to enslave them (they're literally puppets).  This is why i say there is no such thing as free.  My instagram feed is tailored based off AI to figure out what i wanna see next so that i have a high probability of staying on so that advertisers can run in front of my eyes.

I'm thankful for a platform like this that is run by skaters, its refreshing, and its something that needs to be bigger than facebook.  Its so nice to have someone like that trash bag cussing me out be able to express his opinions, its actually a beautiful thing because we can disagree but we all love skating and most important its not moderated by algorithms to extract dollars, its moderated by skaters who care about the community.  This is important for building the legacy of all those who came before us and continue to push to bigger and better things.  Settling for not fixing something that isn't broken, leaves you with the world passing you by after they've abused you for everything you have. 

The technology will change and the laws will change and shake things up, and those who lean into the change, will be the game changers.  By lean i don't mean jump all in, but consider what will happen if the law goes through, how will you survive, think of possibilities.  If slap doesn't do it, someone else will, so i care about things that are good, and this forum is good. 

I again allude to what i said initially, it seems like from what i understand, non-neutrality will actually make slap cheaper than it is now, which makes it more competitive in the market.  Who is gonna buy instagram anymore, maybe the real value of what that platform will actually be realized.  I'd argue that instagram is useless and doesn't provide much value.  Something like slap is way more valuable than instagram, and that's just the beginning.

Its time to stop thinking social media somehow democratized skating and realize that it is an evil that eats a way everything that is good unless we fight.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: expired on December 13, 2017, 07:43:33 PM
How would this effect Canadians?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Jared on December 13, 2017, 08:19:59 PM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon
[close]

What good would come though? Small businesses aka SLAP will get fucked hard over this. If you don't care, which it seems like you obviously do, what good will come? Why fix something that isn't broken?
[close]

i have no idea what good will come, and there is no way to tell if SLAP will get destroyed.  I'm hoping that media will be back in the control of skaters out of it.

Right now algorithms determine what is highly ranked, just look at SOTY and the abundance of clips on instagram (owned by facebook).  These algorithms reward those who satisfy the algorithm the best (its a formula).  Thrasher is at the mercy of all these social platforms (facebook, instagram, youtube) with no way to take control themselves.  It would be nice to see Thrasher take back control and run the show, rather than mark zuk.  The problem is that thrasher is so big that i think it could be easier to play it safe, than develop their own technology that runs on the internet.  I would argue things are broken.

Moreover, these algorithms are designed with AI, behavioral economics, and human psychology to exploit the user to keep their attention on these platforms as long as possible.  Those who give marky what he wants like good little boys and girls get some money, pushing skaters more and more into a small box to enslave them (they're literally puppets).  This is why i say there is no such thing as free.  My instagram feed is tailored based off AI to figure out what i wanna see next so that i have a high probability of staying on so that advertisers can run in front of my eyes.

I'm thankful for a platform like this that is run by skaters, its refreshing, and its something that needs to be bigger than facebook.  Its so nice to have someone like that trash bag cussing me out be able to express his opinions, its actually a beautiful thing because we can disagree but we all love skating and most important its not moderated by algorithms to extract dollars, its moderated by skaters who care about the community.  This is important for building the legacy of all those who came before us and continue to push to bigger and better things.  Settling for not fixing something that isn't broken, leaves you with the world passing you by after they've abused you for everything you have. 

The technology will change and the laws will change and shake things up, and those who lean into the change, will be the game changers.  By lean i don't mean jump all in, but consider what will happen if the law goes through, how will you survive, think of possibilities.  If slap doesn't do it, someone else will, so i care about things that are good, and this forum is good. 

I again allude to what i said initially, it seems like from what i understand, non-neutrality will actually make slap cheaper than it is now, which makes it more competitive in the market.  Who is gonna buy instagram anymore, maybe the real value of what that platform will actually be realized.  I'd argue that instagram is useless and doesn't provide much value.  Something like slap is way more valuable than instagram, and that's just the beginning.

Its time to stop thinking social media somehow democratized skating and realize that it is an evil that eats a way everything that is good unless we fight.

Reading that gave me a brain aneurysm, try again bud.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: iKobrakai on December 14, 2017, 01:07:44 AM
USA blows so much dick right now. What is it with you and your love for idiots?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: SodaJerk on December 14, 2017, 01:32:07 AM
I hated this thread before I even opened it.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: andocom on December 14, 2017, 02:15:44 AM
Firstly let me preface this by saying I fully support net neutrality and the rationale and process to end it is bald faced corruption, or certainly looks like it. However unless you are a content provider like Facebook, Netflix, YouTube etc this in my opinion will make very little difference if any. This is about network providers bitching that they are transporting huge amounts of data across their networks without similar peering to balance it, sure there is probably just a money grab element to it also but that is aimed at the Netflixes of the world's not Slap. I doubt Verizon is spending tens of millions to serve the trickles of data Slap is pushing.

Again, I'm not supporting it, I'm just saying don't expect the sky to fall. We haven't net neutrality in Australia ever, this generally is seen in things like access to certain streaming services not counting against mobile data caps etc.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: chodekaka on December 14, 2017, 05:24:13 AM
Firstly let me preface this by saying I fully support net neutrality and the rationale and process to end it is bald faced corruption, or certainly looks like it. However unless you are a content provider like Facebook, Netflix, YouTube etc this in my opinion will make very little difference if any. This is about network providers bitching that they are transporting huge amounts of data across their networks without similar peering to balance it, sure there is probably just a money grab element to it also but that is aimed at the Netflixes of the world's not Slap. I doubt Verizon is spending tens of millions to serve the trickles of data Slap is pushing.

Again, I'm not supporting it, I'm just saying don't expect the sky to fall. We haven't net neutrality in Australia ever, this generally is seen in things like access to certain streaming services not counting against mobile data caps etc.
Fuck off everyone knows Australia doesn’t actually exist. Which commie shithole are you really posting from? Russia? China? Be honest vadim or is it Xiam?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Esquivel on December 14, 2017, 05:45:41 AM


i have no idea what good will come, .....loads of other bs.....







.....more bs.....



if it works, why fix it?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: super-basic on December 14, 2017, 05:49:34 AM
Firstly let me preface this by saying I fully support net neutrality and the rationale and process to end it is bald faced corruption, or certainly looks like it. However unless you are a content provider like Facebook, Netflix, YouTube etc this in my opinion will make very little difference if any. This is about network providers bitching that they are transporting huge amounts of data across their networks without similar peering to balance it, sure there is probably just a money grab element to it also but that is aimed at the Netflixes of the world's not Slap. I doubt Verizon is spending tens of millions to serve the trickles of data Slap is pushing.

Again, I'm not supporting it, I'm just saying don't expect the sky to fall. We haven't net neutrality in Australia ever, this generally is seen in things like access to certain streaming services not counting against mobile data caps etc.

Australia is different. You have competition among your telcos, which makes quite a big difference.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: layzieyez on December 14, 2017, 06:40:04 AM
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Taluk man we need to hear your reasoning behind this. Why do you personally want it to go away? Why do you want to pay money that's basically free? Why would you want to do that to yourself? I'm all ears, I wanna hear your side of the story with no name calling
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I personally don't care what happens either way.  I'm looking at potential opportunities if it gets passed.  Maybe there are new opportunities for slap that weren't there before.  Its all speculation at this point, it can be bad or it can be good.  But saying its good or bad shows signs of complacency. 

Nothing is free, everything has a price. 

you jackwagon
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What good would come though? Small businesses aka SLAP will get fucked hard over this. If you don't care, which it seems like you obviously do, what good will come? Why fix something that isn't broken?
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i have no idea what good will come, and there is no way to tell if SLAP will get destroyed.  I'm hoping that media will be back in the control of skaters out of it.

Right now algorithms determine what is highly ranked, just look at SOTY and the abundance of clips on instagram (owned by facebook).  These algorithms reward those who satisfy the algorithm the best (its a formula).  Thrasher is at the mercy of all these social platforms (facebook, instagram, youtube) with no way to take control themselves.  It would be nice to see Thrasher take back control and run the show, rather than mark zuk.  The problem is that thrasher is so big that i think it could be easier to play it safe, than develop their own technology that runs on the internet.  I would argue things are broken.

Moreover, these algorithms are designed with AI, behavioral economics, and human psychology to exploit the user to keep their attention on these platforms as long as possible.  Those who give marky what he wants like good little boys and girls get some money, pushing skaters more and more into a small box to enslave them (they're literally puppets).  This is why i say there is no such thing as free.  My instagram feed is tailored based off AI to figure out what i wanna see next so that i have a high probability of staying on so that advertisers can run in front of my eyes.

I'm thankful for a platform like this that is run by skaters, its refreshing, and its something that needs to be bigger than facebook.  Its so nice to have someone like that trash bag cussing me out be able to express his opinions, its actually a beautiful thing because we can disagree but we all love skating and most important its not moderated by algorithms to extract dollars, its moderated by skaters who care about the community.  This is important for building the legacy of all those who came before us and continue to push to bigger and better things.  Settling for not fixing something that isn't broken, leaves you with the world passing you by after they've abused you for everything you have. 

The technology will change and the laws will change and shake things up, and those who lean into the change, will be the game changers.  By lean i don't mean jump all in, but consider what will happen if the law goes through, how will you survive, think of possibilities.  If slap doesn't do it, someone else will, so i care about things that are good, and this forum is good. 

I again allude to what i said initially, it seems like from what i understand, non-neutrality will actually make slap cheaper than it is now, which makes it more competitive in the market.  Who is gonna buy instagram anymore, maybe the real value of what that platform will actually be realized.  I'd argue that instagram is useless and doesn't provide much value.  Something like slap is way more valuable than instagram, and that's just the beginning.

Its time to stop thinking social media somehow democratized skating and realize that it is an evil that eats a way everything that is good unless we fight.
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Reading that gave me a brain aneurysm, try again bud.
You read that? I got better things do with my time. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on taluk. Post footy or shut up. You’re a scootering moron otherwise.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: ibuproficient on December 14, 2017, 06:49:33 AM
I wouldn't pay a single dime extra for any of this.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: chipped tail on December 14, 2017, 08:58:48 AM
this is a big deal. with this we lose our access to free research. how may skills have you learned how from watching youtube tutorials or looking at private websites. how many times have you looked up laws or regulations to know your rights. right now we can learn anything we want from the internet for free but soon all the info will hidden behind a paywall.

i feel like there is no vote. the government has already decided. they dont want the people to have access to unlimited information. the less we know the less likely we are to create any social change. we cant learn about sustainable living and survival techniques. we cant grow our businesses to make more money. we cant communicate and organize our efforts as easily. we cant plan a revolution. everyone is worried about paying to watch skate videos and shit but there is way more at stake with loss of access to all the information the web provides.

all the recipes on notecards that your grandma made back in the day will be the only free recipes you have. I feel like the ancient people went through this digital information cycle and thus invented books and other physical mediums. whats fucked is books get digitzed and then destroyed because they take up too much space. then the FCC makes it so we cant access those books and boom history is erased.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: SOTY on December 14, 2017, 10:08:30 AM
Well said, chipped tail.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: childhood on December 14, 2017, 10:29:26 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364887-fcc-votes-to-repeal-net-neutrality-rules  :(

I was against it at first, but I found this video really persuasive:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeKK637IYAg
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: tobey on December 14, 2017, 11:37:09 AM
That....... That was just unbelievably bad. Like I saw it but I still can't believe that its a real video
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: chipped tail on December 14, 2017, 12:01:39 PM
whoa that is the most insulting video...its ok we can still gram our food everyone.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: childhood on December 14, 2017, 12:05:47 PM
Yeah we can still eat Hot Cheetos and watch Game of Thrones, while the country increasingly turns into some kind of Hunger Games-esque, heroin fueled wasteland.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: h00man on December 14, 2017, 12:41:33 PM
How many fucking idiots do we need on SLAP? Fuck off taluk.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: h00man on December 14, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
What the fuck kind of PSA was that? That PSA was just insulting everyone who uses the fucking internet. Fuck that piece of shit!
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: TwisT on December 14, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
This is the stratification of the internet in Portugal.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4252153/what-is-net-neutrality-isp-package-diagram.0.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNGlrABUIAAr9RO.jpg:large)

basically you'd pay your 29 monthly base rate, then another $15 dollars just to have unthrottled access to streaming apps. Not including your subscription fee you're paying the content provider. Let's say High-Speed Productions (slap and thrasher) being "publications" get there servers bundled into the news package.

I would have to pay an additional $5 a month to mostly look at pictures of other peoples boards and get coupon codes. On the other end, ISP's can go to HSP and say, hey, if you want to get taking of the news package, pay us directly. No way in hell is slap gonna pay (nor would I want, or expect them too). So either the ISP fucks over the consumer, corporation or both because they're not just gonna leave money on the table. Thrasher decides to pay the ISP, but inorder to cover the cost, they now run double the ads before videos, and do sponsored content style editorials for brands trying to co-op that skater image. King of the road now has a taco bell city challenge.

So some young spunky kid, tired of thrasher's new bullshit decides to start his own mag/site. He catches a few lucky breaks, maybe gets to release a small video that's surprisingly good. He's managed to monetize his website with support for "core" skate companies. He's now at about 250K views per week. Here comes Mr. ISP. Saying hey you get a lot of traffic, we need you to pay a premium or your viewers will have a harder time reaching your site for now on. Basically get down or lay down. Legally killing competition, growth and inovation.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Cherb on December 14, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
RIP internet. RIP SLAP.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Chippedwood on December 14, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
Net neutrality's repeal is going to bend us all over for a while until the Democrats take power again.

only a gay father fucker would think there is an actual difference in agenda between Dems and Reps, skateboards are dumb as shit
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: tobey on December 14, 2017, 06:21:17 PM
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Net neutrality's repeal is going to bend us all over for a while until the Democrats take power again.
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only a gay father fucker would think there is an actual difference in agenda between Dems and Reps, skateboards are dumb as shit

You saying your dad doesn't love you that much to fuck you?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: super-basic on December 14, 2017, 06:24:01 PM
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Net neutrality's repeal is going to bend us all over for a while until the Democrats take power again.
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only a gay father fucker would think there is an actual difference in agenda between Dems and Reps, skateboards are dumb as shit

You seem like you are a juggalo using the internet at the city library.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Chippedwood on December 14, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
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Net neutrality's repeal is going to bend us all over for a while until the Democrats take power again.
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only a gay father fucker would think there is an actual difference in agenda between Dems and Reps, skateboards are dumb as shit
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You saying your dad doesn't love you that much to fuck you?

my dad recently died like 6 months ago but i was dating this super hot model, and because i was just partying and fucking her i was unable to cope with his death, a couple weeks ago she broke up with me and now I am really dealing with the death hard. i got sober because i basically overdosed and my therapist who is a skater too reccomended i join this message board to take out my anger on young kids, it really works.
and you should know that even if your father doesn't fuck you with his big hard dick literally he will fuck you somehow figuratively. have a nice night BRO! and watch what you type cuz you might offend someone
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Chippedwood on December 14, 2017, 06:32:36 PM
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Net neutrality's repeal is going to bend us all over for a while until the Democrats take power again.
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only a gay father fucker would think there is an actual difference in agenda between Dems and Reps, skateboards are dumb as shit
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You seem like you are a juggalo using the internet at the city library.

Juggalo's are nice people so i'll take that compliment and anyone that uses the library for free internet knows how to get a good deal, and i really like Boserio's skating so thanks buddy!!
woop woop F-A-M-i-L-i-A skateshop 4 eva
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 14, 2017, 06:49:54 PM
are telecomms and ISPs that much more powerful than other business interests? what about the businesses whose online sales and services might be affected? don't they have any clout in stopping this?
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: childhood on December 14, 2017, 07:05:15 PM
I admittedly don't know as much about the subject as I should, but this article touches on what you're talking about:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/14/netflix-google-voice-frustration-net-neutrality-fcc/

But yeah, I think all these companies, on their own, don't have as much power as ISPs.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: planman on December 14, 2017, 11:41:17 PM
Now that the decision on this has bounced over to Congress, this is a friendly reminder that you guys should be bombarding your congressmen with calls and emails, especially if they're Republicans. Even if this does pass through congress though, there are several lawsuits that have already been filed against the FCC and a metric fuckton more that are sure to come. Also, be aware that this most likely won't change things in the short-term, as telecoms and ISPs still want to be competitive amongst one another and any company jumping the gun would be terrible business practice and utterly suicidal. That being said, it's important take notice of the potential long-term trends and effects of this.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: Mystical Leader on December 15, 2017, 05:45:44 AM
Does anyone know how this could affect on Europe or Asia?

And could this be somehow be passed by using something like tor?

That video on previous page was so gringey. How dumb do they think people are? Lowest type of brainwashing..
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 15, 2017, 06:40:56 AM
I admittedly don't know as much about the subject as I should, but this article touches on what you're talking about:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/14/netflix-google-voice-frustration-net-neutrality-fcc/

But yeah, I think all these companies, on their own, don't have as much power as ISPs.

thanks for the link. surprising but it looks like Verizon is that powerful. or they were just good at sneaking pai into the fcc. this is so blatantly corrupt it’s disgusting.
Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: yatallfreak on December 15, 2017, 10:15:43 AM
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I admittedly don't know as much about the subject as I should, but this article touches on what you're talking about:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/14/netflix-google-voice-frustration-net-neutrality-fcc/

But yeah, I think all these companies, on their own, don't have as much power as ISPs.
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thanks for the link. surprising but it looks like Verizon is that powerful. or they were just good at sneaking pai into the fcc. this is so blatantly corrupt it’s disgusting.
This video is pretty fucking slimy too. General Counsel Craig Silliman being "interviewed" by some random dude. Turned out the interviewer worked for Verizon so obviously every question asked was written by Verizon in an attempt to make themselves look better. This fucking guy Craig just lies through his teeth saying the FCC wasn't going to kill net neutrality rules and none of the ISP's wanted them to even though Verizon was clearly pushing for the repeal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90HpijIP_Q&t=38s

Title: Re: PayForSlap?NetNeutrality
Post by: midevilco on December 15, 2017, 10:54:11 AM
This is about the new guard trying to use the government to force the old guard to subsidize their growth.

Way too complex for a Slap discussion full of name calling.