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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: offkilter on February 10, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
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There seems to be an overall changing opinion about the level of respect and loyalty to the "core" brands and I'm curious what percentage of slap posters still want to support them. I'm sticking with Lakai and eS until they probably inevitably go out of business; while they are shady they are at least ours so to speak.
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As much as I would like to support “skater owned” companies, it has become increasingly difficult for me to find a decent cupsole shoe that won’t give out after about a week or so.
The accel slim were a decent shoe, but not enough support for me to skate all day without my feet hurting, but the Dunks I’m wearing right now have been perfect for the past three to four months.
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Dead horse Vs. Deceased Pony
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State is a "core" brand that actually has the quality to warrant the support. If they weren't around I would probably still be skating Vans and complaining about how they aren't as good as they used to be.
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I skate in Sole Tech shoes and wear Nikes and Adidas trainers when not skating.
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Check out Proper
As much as I would like to support “skater owned” companies, it has become increasingly difficult for me to find a decent cupsole shoe that won’t give out after about a week or so.
The accel slim were a decent shoe, but not enough support for me to skate all day without my feet hurting, but the Dunks I’m wearing right now have been perfect for the past three to four months.
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Lately ive just been buying Vans and Cons because im too lazy to walk to anti social or leaving downtown vancouver in general
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These shoes I'm skating now, the upper is made of Rodney Mullen's difficult childhood, the outsole is made of the realization that Pappalardo's Fully Flared part actually was ahead of its time, and the sock liner is made of social media devaluing the hard work that once went into full length videos. They last forever and are core as fuck.
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I personally stick to Vans overall and make a point not to buy Nike, Adidas, Cons, out of aesthetic and cultural reasons, not cuz their corp. I just dont think the "core" shoe companies are that appealing. The shoes are boring, uninspired, half the time they're shitty quality. It makes me sad. I have hope that within the next few years we could get a wholly skater invested, skater backed BIG shoe company to try and rival the big 3.
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i try different brands from time to time but always come back to pro vans. i'm really hyped on state and i wish i could get some of their shoes but they're not available where i live yet. i'll never skate nike though, i just don't like the swoosh and i feel like they are too slippery
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You should have split the brands up more. I don’t fuck with Nike because of how they’ve treated core shops. I do fuck with adidas.
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I buy Vans. I couldn't give less of a shit about core vs skater brands. The skaters are all just dollar chasers, why should I care?
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Was wearing Lakai and Vans only but inconsistent sizing was irritating. On the Lakai that is. My feet started hurting from Vans (hey im 41).
Now I'm exclusively on emerica reynolds and adidas busenitz... pro and vulc. So Emerica and Adidas for me
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I stick with Vans primarily because I like their shoes and I've just been happy with them since I have started skating. I don't buy Nike mainly because they're too expensive and I'm honestly just too embarrassed too. It's not that I'm anti-Nike or against big corporate brands; I just don't think Nike really gives a shit about skateboarding. As long as they're making money, they could care less what happens to the culture. I know that might sound idiotic because an argument could be made that "they are all in it to make money," but I just feel like when I hear stories about Nike over packing orders for skate shops and requiring shops to buy shoes that don't sell, I just can't back them. At the end of the day to each their own; I obviously see why people would buy Nike instead of some of the core shoes but I just don't care.
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I used to skate emericas, but due to the scarcity of g6’s at my local, and how fast I burnt through the standard vulcs, I started skating cons. They cost me about the same, and last 3 to 4 times longer, so sticking with them for the while.
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if you like vans get some states
they are similar but better all around
i would be stoked if state stayed around go buy some
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I skate Vans 90 percent of the time, Ill try stock up when I can get them on sale or at an outlet. I like the way Vans feel, super minimal. The authentic’s are my favorite, but they don’t last. So I usually skate one of the pro’s, I have AVE’s now. I used to skate Emerica, the Leo’s or the Figgy’s but there is no shop around me anymore that carries them. Never tried Nike or Adidas. Had one pair of NB and hated them.
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if you like vans get some states
they are similar but better all around
i would be stoked if state stayed around go buy some
Bought a pair if States finally a week ago. From the classifieds in here actually. Skated them the past two days and am so stoked on how they feel and fit
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I just feel too old to wear lakais or some shit. Plus I have to wear my shoes for skate and normal life. If I had some extra cash I would probably cop some Reynolds or es's or something just for skating. I'm not loyal to brands at all, if a shoe looks good it looks good.
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Vans, Huf, and Lakai are usually my choice but I don't have any problem to buy nike or Adidas if they're cheap.
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I skate whatever feels good on my feet. I'm okay with paying extra to buy some stuff from a local shop but I'm not going to sacrifice my feet to support "skater owned" shoes.
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I skate in Sole Tech shoes and wear Nikes and Adidas trainers when not skating.
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I have heard nothing but good stuff about State. It’ll be my next purchase. Up to now it’s been Vans Pro Skates because the sole keeps falling apart on almost every pair I’ve gotten and Vans just warranties them, sends me a gift card for some new shoes. I’m on my 4th pair of free Vans. When I have to spend my own money, it’ll be a pair of State’s.
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I only wear DCs.
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I've never seen a pair of Proper, State, Straye, Diamond, Filament, etc in the streets
Haven't seen many es since their relaunch either
Finally for as much talk as Converse gets on here I never see them irl either. The Chuck Taylor seems awful for skating, regardless of insoles and whatever other new features they add.
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Gnars to everyone in this thread.
Dirts win.
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Ill wear whatever For free, sometimes ill cut the nike logo off and draw an upside down nike logo.
I buy emerica or lakai. I would buy a pair of states to try, No local carries.
Bans is hit or miss because I have a short, wide foot. most vans are narrow
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I skate the Vans pro and adidas Busenitz. They are both durable and minimal on the feet. Tried nike sb and some are solid while others seem weak and slippery.
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State is a "core" brand that actually has the quality to warrant the support. If they weren't around I would probably still be skating Vans and complaining about how they aren't as good as they used to be.
Bought a pair from zumiez on sale ($15) and I'm sold. Some of the most comfortable, and all around good skate shoes I've used in a while.
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Huf for the last three/four years. State does have my eye. Oddly enough, if the time came when an athletic brand was my only choice, I'd probably choose New Balance, simply because of the team and I like the majority of their vulcanized options. But for now and hopefully ever, Huf will take my money and eventually State at some point.
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I posted this else where, but figured it fits in here as well.
Went into a skate shop yesterday and I thought I was in a Foot Locker. 80% of the shoes consisted of Nike, Converse, Adidas, and New Balance. The other 20% were Vans.
No love for Sole Tech, DC, or Huf.
Also 95% of the shoes were lacking lace protection. How the times have changed.
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Ill wear whatever For free, sometimes ill cut the nike logo off and draw an upside down nike logo.
I buy emerica or lakai. I would buy a pair of states to try, No local carries.
Bans is hit or miss because I have a short, wide foot. most vans are narrow
Wait, you buy shoes for the way they fit and not because of the weight of their marketing budgets? Crazy.
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Mostly wear lakai or converse. I do wanna try state though.
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Huf, Adidas and Lakai
Had quite a few pairs of Huf Sutters and Lucas's new shoe on adidas. Also, had a couple of pairs of the Lakai Freemont.
Only pair of nikes I have every had was the Prod 1s. Super comfy but never liked skating them due to the bouncy feel of the airbag.
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I don't even like the look of majority of lakais/emericas but I can always find one in the current line that I like. I wore maybe 8 pairs of the Westgate emericas in a row and then a bunch of pairs of the eS slb mid. Right now I've been really into the flaco highs, they fit my wide feet well and have been lasting up really well. Not to mention they are pretty visually appealing. I'll probably try propers next.
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Had a bad stint of shoes this past year. But those Consolidated 4s and after a week of wearing them I wanted to buy some nikes out of spite because they were so awful. Then bought a pair of trujillo vans that were also pretty garbage. On a side note I bought those consolidateds a few months before Andy Roys epicly laterd and trujillos a few months before the insta beef. I feel like Andy is secrectly trolling me for my bad shoe purchases.
I just stick with Es Accel Slims in the dad shoe colorway (Black/White/Gray) but I want to get a pair of Propers next. My local only has Nike/Cons/Adidas/Vans with a couple Emericas/DCs (Tiagos, Dimes, G6, Romeros). If I give a dollar to the corpo brands it will probably be Adidas. My Husband doesnt skate but wears the Adidas Busenitz and says they fit well. I like the stripe over the swoosh on a aesthetic level. Maybe i'm secretly on some Slav shit.
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Sometimes I wear Vans, but I primarily skate Emerica. I concede that brands like Nike and Adidas make a quality product and pay skaters I like very well, but it's also producing a weird climate that I don't really like. Converse is pulling out of retailers, and soon Nike is going to release an app that will link you to much much cheaper prices when you take a picture of them in the store, meaning that shops will essentially just serve as showing rooms while Amazon/their direct sites reap all the benefits. And I just can't get behind that.
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I skate Vans 90 percent of the time, Ill try stock up when I can get them on sale or at an outlet. I like the way Vans feel, super minimal.
I am like this too, but with Half Cabs. Also trying out some Kyle Walkers right now I found real cheap...they are a tough shoe.
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I was an Ipath and Emerica loyalist back in the day, but now it’s strictly State and Converse.
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Had a bad stint of shoes this past year. But those Consolidated 4s and after a week of wearing them I wanted to buy some nikes out of spite because they were so awful. Then bought a pair of trujillo vans that were also pretty garbage. On a side note I bought those consolidateds a few months before Andy Roys epicly laterd and trujillos a few months before the insta beef. I feel like Andy is secrectly trolling me for my bad shoe purchases.
I just stick with Es Accel Slims in the dad shoe colorway (Black/White/Gray) but I want to get a pair of Propers next. My local only has Nike/Cons/Adidas/Vans with a couple Emericas/DCs (Tiagos, Dimes, G6, Romeros). If I give a dollar to the corpo brands it will probably be Adidas. My Husband doesnt skate but wears the Adidas Busenitz and says they fit well. I like the stripe over the swoosh on a aesthetic level. Maybe i'm secretly on some Slav shit.
HOLY SHIT YOU ACTUALLY PAID MONEY FOR THOSE FUCKING CONSOLIDATED SHOES?! FUCKING HELL.
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I stick to Emerica, Es, and Lakai usually. The shoes are damn good ,especially the Emerica Cupsoles (Not saying corp shoe companies arent quality as well) and I definitely feel pride on rocking a core shoe brand. Once skating gains even more popularity you will definitely recognize the real niggas by their core brand shoes.
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Had a bad stint of shoes this past year. But those Consolidated 4s and after a week of wearing them I wanted to buy some nikes out of spite because they were so awful. Then bought a pair of trujillo vans that were also pretty garbage. On a side note I bought those consolidateds a few months before Andy Roys epicly laterd and trujillos a few months before the insta beef. I feel like Andy is secrectly trolling me for my bad shoe purchases.
I just stick with Es Accel Slims in the dad shoe colorway (Black/White/Gray) but I want to get a pair of Propers next. My local only has Nike/Cons/Adidas/Vans with a couple Emericas/DCs (Tiagos, Dimes, G6, Romeros). If I give a dollar to the corpo brands it will probably be Adidas. My Husband doesnt skate but wears the Adidas Busenitz and says they fit well. I like the stripe over the swoosh on a aesthetic level. Maybe i'm secretly on some Slav shit.
HOLY SHIT YOU ACTUALLY PAID MONEY FOR THOSE FUCKING CONSOLIDATED SHOES?! FUCKING HELL.
Yeah man I done fucked up big time on that one. I'd say learn from my mistakes but I dont think anyone on here is stupid enough to buy them.
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the quality argument is such bullshit
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I’ve been having some serious shoe crises the past few months and went so far as to buy Nike for relief. For some reason nothing felt right. Yesterday I slid into some e’s Accel slims and boy howdy am I happy.
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Been skating some accel slims lately. While I love them, I still went right through the suede within the first hour. Not sure if I got a defect shoe. I shoe-gooed them and still skate them though and all is fine aside from the practically brand new looking shoe with goo on them. The insoles are crap, I wish they didn't have that lame memory foam that does nothing for your feet. If it weren't for how they skate, I'd probably be skating cons. I used to skate the ka-1 cupsoles all the time. I had about 10 backups for them. I still have two pairs left...so breakpoints may be the next shoe. I don't care core vs corp though.
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For a long time i had misunderstanding of who benefits from core shoe companies and who (and how many, and to what degree) benefit from the larger shoe companies. A small contingent of industry lurkers (and some legitimate skaters like Rickk and Mike) make(or made) filthy money off core skateshoe companies.
Interview after interview you learn about core companies not paying a rider his due, or you have people like chad muska wondering why and for how long did C1RCA treat him as a bottom bitch and keeping the lion's share of money he earned the company. Ronnie getting shafted with a "Core" dude on Nadia.
I'm sure some brands like Emerica may doing things right but the idea of it being "skaters making shoes and paying others skaters" is kind of bullshit. at least be upfront about it.
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^^it's not the "paying other skaters" part bc obv nike does that better than emerica. but i do think the idea that skateboarding should be operated by skaters is important. but that's my opinion, if you want to pay for nikes instead go nuts, but don't try to justify it with weird reasoning. it's perfectly ok to not care that much about all this, just be aware of what you're doing/buying
that wasn't directed towards you specifically tyronesshoelaces, just my general thoughts
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About 85% of my shoes are Vans, however I have skated Emerica's (Kirchards, Leo's) and Fallen's (various) in the past. Thinking of trying out State.
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For a long time i had misunderstanding of who benefits from core shoe companies and who (and how many, and to what degree) benefit from the larger shoe companies. A small contingent of industry lurkers (and some legitimate skaters like Rickk and Mike) make(or made) filthy money off core skateshoe companies.
Interview after interview you learn about core companies not paying a rider his due, or you have people like chad muska wondering why and for how long did C1RCA treat him as a bottom bitch and keeping the lion's share of money he earned the company. Ronnie getting shafted with a "Core" dude on Nadia.
I'm sure some brands like Emerica may doing things right but the idea of it being "skaters making shoes and paying others skaters" is kind of bullshit. at least be upfront about it.
Although i see what you're saying, sometimes it goes back to the employees too. A lot of skate companies will cut their talents pay so they can keep folks employed. It sucks for the skater but at the end of the day I'm sure no one wants to have to lay off a shit ton of people.
Ive been buying Huf these last few years even though the shops closest to me seem to have stopped fucking with Huf. The Boyd was such an annoying shoe at first but wore in well and perfectly. Currently wearing the Hupper 2
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
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I wonder what % of shoes are bought by kids of don't give a crap about the politics of it?
Like oh wow, TJ wears Adidas and skates for FA. I'll wear those... How many people went through a fad because of Muska or some thick ass DC's? People just seemed to wear, whatever the hot pro's at the time wore.
Carroll is rocking some Enigmas, damn Airwalk is owned by who? Never did that stuff cross my mind as a kid.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
Nike alone made $34b last year, BUT THAT'S COOL THEY GIVE SO AND SO $1000 A MONTH...
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people being sponsored is not my issue at all, who the fuck would turn down a huge paycheck especially in skating where people's carriers last just a few years. it's the people paying for nikes.. maybe sole tech could afford bigger salaries if they were selling? wouldn't hurt anyway.
also fuck corp brands just because. it's skateboarding.
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You have to question the integrity of a company who stands behind a murderer but not a face shitter.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
How do you feel about their sales tactics ultimately hurting local shops and businesses? I know my local is tripping over some of their plans for the future.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
How do you feel about their sales tactics ultimately hurting local shops and businesses? I know my local is tripping over some of their plans for the future.
I don't know about their sales tactics or what it does to shops. I know some people say they're being intentionally bankrupted by being forced to have a certain shoe wall, and others who sent their kids to better schools by selling dunks. I have two locals, one with a Nike account and one without. The one with the Nike account is obviously doing a lot better than the other even though it's the lamer of the two. A lot of shops are tripping over their plans for the future, and a lot aren't.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
How do you feel about their sales tactics ultimately hurting local shops and businesses? I know my local is tripping over some of their plans for the future.
I don't know about their sales tactics or what it does to shops. I know some people say they're being intentionally bankrupted by being forced to have a certain shoe wall, and others who sent their kids to better schools by selling dunks. I have two locals, one with a Nike account and one without. The one with the Nike account is obviously doing a lot better than the other even though it's the lamer of the two. A lot of shops are tripping over their plans for the future, and a lot aren't.
The Nike SB tactics aren't new. I managed a shop when they got back into the skate business with the new dunks and p-rod 1, etc. They'd ship a full run of everything they wanted to send (how was I supposed to sell a size 6 purple/pink iridescent classic?) and we had to sell shoes or lose the account. It sucks on certain levels but that's business. The team who ran things and visited shops (Nick from Tampa, specifically) were always cool to us and never tried to strong-arm us into moving stuff. The accounts receivable people, on the other hand, wanted their money on time every time. Again, business is business.
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DC's and Vans for the past 5 years. No problems here!
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
How do you feel about their sales tactics ultimately hurting local shops and businesses? I know my local is tripping over some of their plans for the future.
I don't know about their sales tactics or what it does to shops. I know some people say they're being intentionally bankrupted by being forced to have a certain shoe wall, and others who sent their kids to better schools by selling dunks. I have two locals, one with a Nike account and one without. The one with the Nike account is obviously doing a lot better than the other even though it's the lamer of the two. A lot of shops are tripping over their plans for the future, and a lot aren't.
Well I know for sure that Converse is pulling out of indie retailers which will surely be a large dent. I haven't found anything confirming it, but my buddy who runs my local told me about an app Nike is coming out with that will link you to a direct and much cheaper price for their shoes when you take a pic of a shoe in stores, which will essentially just turn shops into a showroom.
I'm not saying core brands are innocent either. That eS business seems shady, which is why I haven't purchased a pair since their hiatus despite being a huge fan before. But as for other companies paying their riders less, don't you think their business being in a choke hold is a much larger factor than them just not wanting to pay them as much? I don't think Lakai getting some corporate funding automatically puts them in the same position they were in 10 years ago when they were doing much better. And people keep saying that these companies aren't innovating or "keeping up" with these bigger brands, and I just don't think that's fair. Yeah, if you flip through a Lakai or Emerica catalog most of the models resemble what they already have, but I legitimately can't think of a single company that isn't guilty of the same thing. Nike and Adidas have rebranded the same models literally dozens of times, but somehow Lakai deserves to go out of business because they use the same profile on their popular shoes.
I realize I'm going on a bit of a tangent here. I dunno if you're looking for this kinda conversation, but this has been on my mind a lot lately.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
How do you feel about their sales tactics ultimately hurting local shops and businesses? I know my local is tripping over some of their plans for the future.
I don't know about their sales tactics or what it does to shops. I know some people say they're being intentionally bankrupted by being forced to have a certain shoe wall, and others who sent their kids to better schools by selling dunks. I have two locals, one with a Nike account and one without. The one with the Nike account is obviously doing a lot better than the other even though it's the lamer of the two. A lot of shops are tripping over their plans for the future, and a lot aren't.
Well I know for sure that Converse is pulling out of indie retailers which will surely be a large dent. I haven't found anything confirming it, but my buddy who runs my local told me about an app Nike is coming out with that will link you to a direct and much cheaper price for their shoes when you take a pic of a shoe in stores, which will essentially just turn shops into a showroom.
I'm not saying core brands are innocent either. That eS business seems shady, which is why I haven't purchased a pair since their hiatus despite being a huge fan before. But as for other companies paying their riders less, don't you think their business being in a choke hold is a much larger factor than them just not wanting to pay them as much? I don't think Lakai getting some corporate funding automatically puts them in the same position they were in 10 years ago when they were doing much better. And people keep saying that these companies aren't innovating or "keeping up" with these bigger brands, and I just don't think that's fair. Yeah, if you flip through a Lakai or Emerica catalog most of the models resemble what they already have, but I legitimately can't think of a single company that isn't guilty of the same thing. Nike and Adidas have rebranded the same models literally dozens of times, but somehow Lakai deserves to go out of business because they use the same profile on their popular shoes.
I realize I'm going on a bit of a tangent here. I dunno if you're looking for this kinda conversation, but this has been on my mind a lot lately.
I don't know if Converse is a great example since they've been pushing their one successful model for over a century. Skateboarders are fickle and when they're sick of the Chuck Taylor, which is already happening, they'll drop Converse entirely. I think they'll be the first "big" shoe brand to leave skating if NB doesn't go peacefully in its sleep first. I didn't think Converse was ever going to last here.
That Nike app sounds made up. Not by you or your friend, but that doesn't sounds like a real thing. Are there any apps anywhere that can check images against location and fluid inventory in real time? They would probably make more money licensing that technology than they would directing people to Zappos.
None of what I've been saying is fuck core companies let's support the big ones. Not at all. Just that blindly supporting "core" stuff is foolish and uninformed. There aren't two jars, one labeled core and one labeled corporate, and you have to choose which one your dollar goes in. People cite companies like Circa, who is owned by their manufacturer, and DVS, who is owned by a "family of brands" that also makes Jessica Simpson clothing, Martha Stewart clothing, and fucking Heely's as core. Lakai and Huf both have had tons and tons and tons of money injected into them by investment groups in exchange for percentages. Vans is owned by goddamn Vanity Fair. That's "core"? I don't think so. I don't think there's anything wrong with it but I'm not the one slapping "core" or "corporate" stickers on everything. If people want to be as core as they're saying everyone else should be then they better have Propers, States, or Diamonds on their feet. But they don't. Everyone is rousing the rabble but they're participating in the same bullshit they're complaining about and saying it's everybody else's fault for an industry going to shit.
I used to skate in Nikes a lot because of their quality and comfort, but like a lot of people I didn't want to see their big ass logo on my feet anymore. Emerica and Lakai, in my experience, are lacking in quality and I'm not giving them my money for it. That's just my experience with their product which is more valuable than a lot of other things to me. I wear mostly Vans now and no I don't feel like I'm making a difference by doing so.
This is why I've been saying support skateboarders, not skateboarding. Skateboarding is big and stupid and messy and doesn't know what it's doing or what it needs. It lives and dies and lives again. Skateboarders are out there pushing it and have lives to pay for so I'll support them. You can do that by buying Lakais or you can do that by buying Nikes. But let's not pretend.
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Sole Tech has already proven they have no problem cutting and running when the money isn't there like they want. How quickly people forget what they did with eS and why TX rides for adidas and Bobby rides for Nike and Justin Eldridge works at Cheesecake Factory. Lakai routinely cuts pay of their riders after getting a hot beef injection from Altamont Capital Partners and is making new riders do the whole sponsor package that Jamie Thomas killed careers with. You guys can keep buying cars for Pierre Andre and Mike Carroll's whatever the fuck he's into, but I'll support the individual skateboarders over a $5b a year industry.
That doesn't address anything I said even a little bit but you put half of it in caps so you probably feel like you're saying something. If someone is getting $1000 a month from Nike (or whoever) I'd wager they should have retired years ago or would be getting $250 a month from a "core" company. Again, I'm not advocating for any particular company I'm advocating for the rider who gets to make a living. But nah let's give money to Pierre Andre because he was a freestyler once.
How do you feel about their sales tactics ultimately hurting local shops and businesses? I know my local is tripping over some of their plans for the future.
I don't know about their sales tactics or what it does to shops. I know some people say they're being intentionally bankrupted by being forced to have a certain shoe wall, and others who sent their kids to better schools by selling dunks. I have two locals, one with a Nike account and one without. The one with the Nike account is obviously doing a lot better than the other even though it's the lamer of the two. A lot of shops are tripping over their plans for the future, and a lot aren't.
Well I know for sure that Converse is pulling out of indie retailers which will surely be a large dent. I haven't found anything confirming it, but my buddy who runs my local told me about an app Nike is coming out with that will link you to a direct and much cheaper price for their shoes when you take a pic of a shoe in stores, which will essentially just turn shops into a showroom.
I'm not saying core brands are innocent either. That eS business seems shady, which is why I haven't purchased a pair since their hiatus despite being a huge fan before. But as for other companies paying their riders less, don't you think their business being in a choke hold is a much larger factor than them just not wanting to pay them as much? I don't think Lakai getting some corporate funding automatically puts them in the same position they were in 10 years ago when they were doing much better. And people keep saying that these companies aren't innovating or "keeping up" with these bigger brands, and I just don't think that's fair. Yeah, if you flip through a Lakai or Emerica catalog most of the models resemble what they already have, but I legitimately can't think of a single company that isn't guilty of the same thing. Nike and Adidas have rebranded the same models literally dozens of times, but somehow Lakai deserves to go out of business because they use the same profile on their popular shoes.
I realize I'm going on a bit of a tangent here. I dunno if you're looking for this kinda conversation, but this has been on my mind a lot lately.
I don't know if Converse is a great example since they've been pushing their one successful model for over a century. Skateboarders are fickle and when they're sick of the Chuck Taylor, which is already happening, they'll drop Converse entirely. I think they'll be the first "big" shoe brand to leave skating if NB doesn't go peacefully in its sleep first. I didn't think Converse was ever going to last here.
That Nike app sounds made up. Not by you or your friend, but that doesn't sounds like a real thing. Are there any apps anywhere that can check images against location and fluid inventory in real time? They would probably make more money licensing that technology than they would directing people to Zappos.
None of what I've been saying is fuck core companies let's support the big ones. Not at all. Just that blindly supporting "core" stuff is foolish and uninformed. There aren't two jars, one labeled core and one labeled corporate, and you have to choose which one your dollar goes in. People cite companies like Circa, who is owned by their manufacturer, and DVS, who is owned by a "family of brands" that also makes Jessica Simpson clothing, Martha Stewart clothing, and fucking Heely's as core. Lakai and Huf both have had tons and tons and tons of money injected into them by investment groups in exchange for percentages. Vans is owned by goddamn Vanity Fair. That's "core"? I don't think so. I don't think there's anything wrong with it but I'm not the one slapping "core" or "corporate" stickers on everything. If people want to be as core as they're saying everyone else should be then they better have Propers, States, or Diamonds on their feet. But they don't. Everyone is rousing the rabble but they're participating in the same bullshit they're complaining about and saying it's everybody else's fault for an industry going to shit.
I used to skate in Nikes a lot because of their quality and comfort, but like a lot of people I didn't want to see their big ass logo on my feet anymore. Emerica and Lakai, in my experience, are lacking in quality and I'm not giving them my money for it. That's just my experience with their product which is more valuable than a lot of other things to me. I wear mostly Vans now and no I don't feel like I'm making a difference by doing so.
This is why I've been saying support skateboarders, not skateboarding. Skateboarding is big and stupid and messy and doesn't know what it's doing or what it needs. It lives and dies and lives again. Skateboarders are out there pushing it and have lives to pay for so I'll support them. You can do that by buying Lakais or you can do that by buying Nikes. But let's not pretend.
I don't really know the details of the app, and there could be more to it than I described. Maybe it has to do with barcodes or something? I dunno where my friend heard it from, but he deals with reps and insiders pretty regularly so I feel like there's some truth to it?
I think a lot of what you said is fair though. At the end of the day money in skateboarding is a good thing, and these issues aren't as black and white as most debates make them sound. I won't criticize Adidas for something Nike is doing, but I also won't cite the eS situation as the standard for other core companies. I just don't want to walk into a skateshop and have 2 or 3 options to choose from, which for a lot of shops is already close to the reality. And it really bothers me when people get overly critical of smaller brands for things that corporate brands shamelessly do to a much higher degree.
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^^it's not the "paying other skaters" part bc obv nike does that better than emerica. but i do think the idea that skateboarding should be operated by skaters is important. but that's my opinion, if you want to pay for nikes instead go nuts, but don't try to justify it with weird reasoning. it's perfectly ok to not care that much about all this, just be aware of what you're doing/buying
that wasn't directed towards you specifically tyronesshoelaces, just my general thoughts
I agree with you, i guess my point with Chad Muska being the c1rca bottom bitch is that it's not always "skaters" running the skater brands (lakai being an exception) and a lot dudes behind the core companies are shady dudes, close in contact with the industry, trying to make buck.
after interview after of interview of Skaters being shafted by core companies, it makes me wonder "who is really doing the best for the skateboarders wearing the shoe?"
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stick to the core brands for the most part
might sprinkle a few vans in there from time to time (or Adidas if the rerelease Silas' first shoe)
honestly though, at this point I'm more concerned about whether they offer cruelty free options or not.
Never owned a pair of Nikes though, and I don't think I ever will...
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I'm a Lakai guy. The freemont feels good on my feet. At least Mike and Rick have dropped into transition before and grinded ledges and shit. Phil Knight and Bill Bowerman definitely never have, so fuck 'em.
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About 85% of my shoes are Vans, however I have skated Emerica's (Kirchards, Leo's) and Fallen's (various) in the past. Thinking of trying out State.
definitely check out state
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Finally for as much talk as Converse gets on here I never see them irl either. The Chuck Taylor seems awful for skating, regardless of insoles and whatever other new features they add.
I have several friends who pretty much exclusively skate the Chuck Taylor CTAS Pros (or whatever they're called) and swear by them. Only thing that's bad is the weird sizing according to them.
I think they look like clown shoes TBH so I never really tried them out. I pretty much skate whatever's on sale, but mostly Nikes that I can cop on clearance. I like Nike the most because in my opinion they're the most comfortable, long-lasting shoes.
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I stockpiled like at least another 6 years worth of ipaths not sure what I'll do when I'm done
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Don brown is a good goobie.
The new Reynolds is just as good as any nike or Adidas
Sole tech is "core"
Nike wouldn't be in this discussion if hi-five, yellow, menkimati and this is skateboarding never came out.....
nike and Adidas waited till skateboarding reached a peak target group then pulled the trigger.
They will steal every small brand customer till they are the last left.
youll be seeing primitive boards and lunar SB in dicks after the olympics for sure.
school programs for kids to buy their compulsory education nike® skateboard jerseys, with their name on the back. That way when they compete against other schools skate teams they feel like a real pro.
"college skating is better then pro skating cuz the guys are hungrier"- future slap post
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Darkstar in WalMart is good for skateboarding and planet earth. I pray to god every night that Chet Thomas becomes a millionaire. Thank u god
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'Corer than' is the new core
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I just wear blazer mids b/c they're really really good. I used to like half cabs but they're last 1/4 as long as a pair of blazers for me.
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Don brown is a good goobie.
The new Reynolds is just as good as any nike or Adidas
Sole tech is "core"
Nike wouldn't be in this discussion if hi-five, yellow, menkimati and this is skateboarding never came out.....
nike and Adidas waited till skateboarding reached a peak target group then pulled the trigger.
They will steal every small brand customer till they are the last left.
youll be seeing primitive boards and lunar SB in dicks after the olympics for sure.
school programs for kids to buy their compulsory education nike® skateboard jerseys, with their name on the back. That way when they compete against other schools skate teams they feel like a real pro.
"college skating is better then pro skating cuz the guys are hungrier"- future slap post
I hope to keep my dick lunar SB free.
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i really love clear weather skateboarding.
state's probably worth checking out, but the toe spring looks a little crazy. not big on their look either.
used to get chuck taylors from a friend, once that stopped i was buying vans before i found clear weather. don't think i've ever bought a nike sb shoe.
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Don brown is a good goobie.
The new Reynolds is just as good as any nike or Adidas
Sole tech is "core"
Nike wouldn't be in this discussion if hi-five, yellow, menkimati and this is skateboarding never came out.....
nike and Adidas waited till skateboarding reached a peak target group then pulled the trigger.
They will steal every small brand customer till they are the last left.
youll be seeing primitive boards and lunar SB in dicks after the olympics for sure.
school programs for kids to buy their compulsory education nike® skateboard jerseys, with their name on the back. That way when they compete against other schools skate teams they feel like a real pro.
"college skating is better then pro skating cuz the guys are hungrier"- future slap post
Youre scaring me
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyjRLo5WawI (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyjRLo5WawI)
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1. Why is the "robotic" maid a Hispanic teenager? Why push that stereotype? If I had a synthetic a.i. Maid id want a lion or something. Seems like a pedos fantasy
2. The entire premise of the episode starts by some other rich kid buying the same shit as Richie rich thus stealing his identity. It doesn't go far after that...
3. The only adult in the episode is made out to be a fucking imbecile
4. This is nikes target audience
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Your nike money goes towards making sure actors on disney shows are wearing their product.
I bet nike pays more in advertising with Disney than everyone on their skate teams salary combined.....
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Your corpo money goes towards making sure the people on those shows are wearing their product.
I bet nike pays more in advertising with Disney then everyone on their skate teams salary combined.....
I'm so confused right now.