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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: sharkin on August 08, 2018, 07:35:16 AM
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After 6 continuances and 6 months, Cory Kennedy entered a guilty plea on Tuesday for 4 accounts - Vehicular Homicide, Vehicular Assault, Reckless Driving, and DUI.
I couldn't find a sentencing date, but perhaps that is not yet determined. Any SLAP lawyers got an idea on what he could face from this? First time offender, but it looks like Washington is particularly hard for DUI + Vehic Homicide.
Here are some relevant screenshots from the WA and King County Superior Court records website:
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damn son
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ohh boy, good luck Cory!
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He's gone. 10 years at least
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Short answer: without going to the clerk's office and pulling the file or ordering the transcript its impossible to know or even give an educated guess. a docket sheet is just not enough.
I tried to play swami at the beginning of this whole ordeal and deeply regret it.
Here is the long-ish version of why its impossible to guess:
without knowing what the amended information is- or why it was filed there is really no grounding for any guesses. the fact that its an information and not a superseding indictment would also normally be telling but in the West its a cowboy court. On top of that Washington state has some really nuanced sentencing guidelines that make the USSG look like simple algebra. you don't know how much deference the DA is going to give the P-Stones family, or what P-Stone's family's stance is going to be. You dont know what Cory was seeking, you dont know where the DA's office started. The continuances would let me guess they were trying to find an agreed upon dispo but without seeing a tracking order or knowing their procedure-- even that guess seems weak.
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He's gone. 10 years at least
DID YOU READ THE SAME THING I READ
BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY IDEA HOW YOU GOT TO THAT WILD ASS CONCLUSION ..
THATS LIKE TELLING ME TONY HAWKS JUST DID A SWITCH FLIP BACK NOSEBLUNT FAKIE NOLLIE FLIP OUT UP EL TORRO !
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Short answer: without going to the clerk's office and pulling the file or ordering the transcript its impossible to know or even give an educated guess. a docket sheet is just not enough.
I tried to play swami at the beginning of this whole ordeal and deeply regret it.
Here is the long-ish version of why its impossible to guess:
without knowing what the amended information is- or why it was filed there is really no grounding for any guesses. the fact that its an information and not a superseding indictment would also normally be telling but in the West its a cowboy court. On top of that Washington state has some really nuanced sentencing guidelines that make the USSG look like simple algebra. you don't know how much deference the DA is going to give the P-Stones family, or what P-Stone's family's stance is going to be. You dont know what Cory was seeking, you dont know where the DA's office started. The continuances would let me guess they were trying to find an agreed upon dispo but without seeing a tracking order or knowing their procedure-- even that guess seems weak.
"For a class A felony, by confinement in a state correctional institution for a term of life imprisonment, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of fifty thousand dollars, or by both such confinement and fine" http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.20.021 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.20.021)
"Vehicular homicide is a class A felony in Washington. Convicted motorists face up to life in prison and/or a maximum $50,000 in fines." https://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/washingtons-vehicular-homicide-laws-and-penalties.htm (https://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/washingtons-vehicular-homicide-laws-and-penalties.htm)
i'm not understanding this disparity between the prison term and the fine. up to a term of life imprisonment?! ...or a maximum $50,000 fine. is this where those "nuanced sentencing guidelines" come in? the difference between those two benchmarks just seems wild to me. i guess that's why you're saying it's impossible to guess.
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He's gone. 10 years at least
DID YOU READ THE SAME THING I READ
BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY IDEA HOW YOU GOT TO THAT WILD ASS CONCLUSION ..
THATS LIKE TELLING ME TONY HAWKS JUST DID A SWITCH FLIP BACK NOSEBLUNT FAKIE NOLLIE FLIP OUT UP EL TORRO !
Vehicular homicide bro. Hes fucked. Our laws here are strict too and they won't hesitate to give him a harsh sentence.
The continuances are normal, usually just means the court is busy and or the lawyers/Da are negotiating
I stand by what I said. Hes gone at least 10 years and I wouldn't be shocked to hear 20+
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I know this is different than that thing where hulk Hogan’s kid crashed that car and turned his friend into a vegetable: different state, someone actually died in corey’s case, etc, but he only got a few months and then probation: plus he had a history of driving like a jackass.
I guess it being in Washington state is going to have the biggest impact on the sentence. That’s my completely uneducated take.
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I have a feeling if he plead guilty prior to a hearing then his attorneys and the DA worked out a good plea agreement. I'm jus guessin he'll serve some time. Maybe a year? But be on supervised probation for 10 plus as well as a large fine. I doubt his attorney would let him plea guilty if the DA was goin to push for a long jail sentence.
Good luck Cory! Prayers to P-Stones family!
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Short answer: without going to the clerk's office and pulling the file or ordering the transcript its impossible to know or even give an educated guess. a docket sheet is just not enough.
I tried to play swami at the beginning of this whole ordeal and deeply regret it.
Here is the long-ish version of why its impossible to guess:
without knowing what the amended information is- or why it was filed there is really no grounding for any guesses. the fact that its an information and not a superseding indictment would also normally be telling but in the West its a cowboy court. On top of that Washington state has some really nuanced sentencing guidelines that make the USSG look like simple algebra. you don't know how much deference the DA is going to give the P-Stones family, or what P-Stone's family's stance is going to be. You dont know what Cory was seeking, you dont know where the DA's office started. The continuances would let me guess they were trying to find an agreed upon dispo but without seeing a tracking order or knowing their procedure-- even that guess seems weak.
"For a class A felony, by confinement in a state correctional institution for a term of life imprisonment, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of fifty thousand dollars, or by both such confinement and fine" http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.20.021 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.20.021)
"Vehicular homicide is a class A felony in Washington. Convicted motorists face up to life in prison and/or a maximum $50,000 in fines." https://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/washingtons-vehicular-homicide-laws-and-penalties.htm (https://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/washingtons-vehicular-homicide-laws-and-penalties.htm)
i'm not understanding this disparity between the prison term and the fine. up to a term of life imprisonment?! ...or a maximum $50,000 fine. is this where those "nuanced sentencing guidelines" come in? the difference between those two benchmarks just seems wild to me. i guess that's why you're saying it's impossible to guess.
if you want to go down a rabbit hole start learning about sentencing disparity. two people same offense same county can have wildly different outcomes. one person same offenses different counties, even more wildly different outcomes. that being said the only alternative is more mandatory minimums which is a whole other can of worms. i recommend people interested in how the justice sausage is made start by reading as many Radley Balko articles as they can get their hands on.
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Every case is different for every person obviously. Cory isn't coming back for a while,and even by the chance case of him getting out of jail or prison early he's going to be fucked with probation/parole/fines. What it is. I highly doubt his skate career will resurface, while that sucks for some of you,get over it.
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
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Kind of feels like that "Life in prison or $50,000" is a cop out for the rich. He definitely worked out a plea deal, he's going to have a semi-lenient sentence considering the circumstances.
With him being on probation for a long period of time that's going to put a major halt on his skating. No wiggle room for trespassing and potentially getting arrested and breaking that probation. I'd say this is a nail in the coffin for his career
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Short answer: without going to the clerk's office and pulling the file or ordering the transcript its impossible to know or even give an educated guess. a docket sheet is just not enough.
I tried to play swami at the beginning of this whole ordeal and deeply regret it.
Here is the long-ish version of why its impossible to guess:
without knowing what the amended information is- or why it was filed there is really no grounding for any guesses. the fact that its an information and not a superseding indictment would also normally be telling but in the West its a cowboy court. On top of that Washington state has some really nuanced sentencing guidelines that make the USSG look like simple algebra. you don't know how much deference the DA is going to give the P-Stones family, or what P-Stone's family's stance is going to be. You dont know what Cory was seeking, you dont know where the DA's office started. The continuances would let me guess they were trying to find an agreed upon dispo but without seeing a tracking order or knowing their procedure-- even that guess seems weak.
"For a class A felony, by confinement in a state correctional institution for a term of life imprisonment, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of fifty thousand dollars, or by both such confinement and fine" http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.20.021 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.20.021)
"Vehicular homicide is a class A felony in Washington. Convicted motorists face up to life in prison and/or a maximum $50,000 in fines." https://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/washingtons-vehicular-homicide-laws-and-penalties.htm (https://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/washingtons-vehicular-homicide-laws-and-penalties.htm)
i'm not understanding this disparity between the prison term and the fine. up to a term of life imprisonment?! ...or a maximum $50,000 fine. is this where those "nuanced sentencing guidelines" come in? the difference between those two benchmarks just seems wild to me. i guess that's why you're saying it's impossible to guess.
if you want to go down a rabbit hole start learning about sentencing disparity. two people same offense same county can have wildly different outcomes. one person same offenses different counties, even more wildly different outcomes. that being said the only alternative is more mandatory minimums which is a whole other can of worms. i recommend people interested in how the justice sausage is made start by reading as many Radley Balko articles as they can get their hands on.
School me please,I have no clue how this works. if Cory is pleading guilty, is there a chance that he's come to an arrangement with the prosecution?
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There's not a 'chance' he came to an agreement, it's guaranteed that that's what transpired.
My guess is he doesn't serve any time, he makes major payments to P-stone's wife forever like Sean Penn's character in Mystic River.
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Kind of feels like that "Life in prison or $50,000" is a cop out for the rich. He definitely worked out a plea deal, he's going to have a semi-lenient sentence considering the circumstances.
With him being on probation for a long period of time that's going to put a major halt on his skating. No wiggle room for trespassing and potentially getting arrested and breaking that probation. I'd say this is a nail in the coffin for his career
Maybe he can start do more tranny stuff?
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School me please,I have no clue how this works. if Cory is pleading guilty, is there a chance that he's come to an arrangement with the prosecution?
okay this is the most surface level explanation
most of the time to end up in bigboy court you need a grand jury indictment... however there is weird legal thing called "an information" which thankfully someone on wikiedia explained better than i can...
Because the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution expressly creates a constitutional right to be indicted by a grand jury, the information is used in federal criminal procedure only when a defendant voluntarily pleads guilty (often as part of a plea bargain) and waives the right to an indictment.[10]
However, the Fifth Amendment right to a grand jury indictment does not apply against the state governments because the grand jury provision has not been incorporated against the states by the Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, the information has always been the dominant charging document in the western U.S. states, where extremely dispersed population distribution during the American frontier era made it difficult to select and convene petit juries to hold trials. In that era, convening even larger grand juries just to indict criminals was seen as an unnecessary extravagance.
In western U.S. states, district attorneys are authorized by statute to charge criminal suspects by filing informations. The defendant is then entitled to challenge the information at a preliminary hearing, during which the prosecution must establish to the judge's satisfaction that probable cause exists to bind over the defendant until trial.
The grand jury is still available in the states where informations are used, but it is usually used only for issuing indictments for certain types of crimes or for certain types of anti-corruption investigations.
so you have that and here we have have someone pleading directly to an amended information. that means the charges were amended without contest. sometime they amend up but here i would wager they amended down to something both sides were comfortable with... which is why he plead to them at that same hearing
which leads to another crossroads
they might have amended the charges on a just a condition to plea. they might have desperate sentences (unagreed) to argue. BUT they might have an agreed upon dispo and sentences in mind (which could include different types of dispositions beyond guilty) in mind.
now it goes even deeper. a "conviction" has two parts
1. a finding of fact
2. a restraint on liberty
there are dozens of weird ways you can have one without the other. its a way that mandatory minimums are often avoided and long term repercussions (such as immigration issues) get kicked to the side. so he he might give an Alford Plea, he might assent to a general continuance (essentially indefinite waiver of your speedy trial right). Like i said before, its really impossible to guess on this one.
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10 years is the most he will get, in that case he'll do 7-8 years. He has money, an alcohol problem, and no criminal past. I'm gonna say 6 years. Maybe 4.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
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What the hell happened? Cory Kennedy you fucking suck. I hope he spends the rest of his spoiled life in jail
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A woman I knew killed a dude while driving drunk.
It was her first DUI and she was charged with a third degree felony. She’s currently serving the maximum sentence, which is 5 years. This was in Utah. Just read a bit about Washington’s vehicular homicide laws. I’m not a lawyer, but they sound a lot more aggressive.
Don’t drive drunk, and always wear your seatbelts, kids.
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
Probably none.
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
Alot of people have. Thats not quite was I was getting at I was saying CK is going to jail for a much more serious offence than Hosoi did.
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
Probably none.
Considering that they confiscated it as evidence, I think that’s a good guess.
Of course, there’s much more malice in attempting to traffic meth than there is in giving a guy a ride when you drank too much
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
Probably none.
Of course, there’s much more malice in attempting to traffic meth than there is in giving a guy a ride when you drank too much
Before confiscation. your not an idiot, please dont act like one.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
He called his edits "bru-ray" and the motion graphic was him burping. And on the Beauty and the Beast tour dude drank so much that when his wizard staff got as tall as him (thats when you're supposed to quit) he made multiple off-shoots. Like a ladder of beer cans. He'd be bout it bout it.
He died because he didn't wear a seatbelt, I think they even proved this with the initial investigating.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
He called his edits "bru-ray" and the motion graphic was him burping. And on the Beauty and the Beast tour dude drank so much that when his wizard staff got as tall as him (thats when you're supposed to quit) he made multiple off-shoots. Like a ladder of beer cans. He'd be bout it bout it.
He died because he didn't wear a seatbelt, I think they even proved this with the initial investigating.
I guess I agree with some of what both you are saying. That is, the romanticising of alcohol in P-Stone tributes seems gross. His widow seems distraught and is not at all ok or understanding with what Cory did.
On the other hand, drinking seems to be one of the pillars of Preston's life. One could say he lived by the sword. His alcohol related death is the opposite of ironic. Jesus Christ, one of the P-Stone challenges was drinking in a tour van! I doubt he would have wanted to see his friend's life ruined.
What's the correct conclusion? I don't know.
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this whole deal is a bummer
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this whole deal is a bummer
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
Probably none.
Of course, there’s much more malice in attempting to traffic meth than there is in giving a guy a ride when you drank too much
Before confiscation. your not an idiot, please dont act like one.
That makes one of us I guess.
Since you said "Anand how many people died from using that meth?" silly goose me thought you meant "that meth" when you said "that meth" and since his talents were in spandex and airs and obviously not in smuggling drugs the answer is a big fat zero. You're talking specifically about Cory Kennedy's case but the drug trade as a whole when talking about Hosoi? I'm the idiot? Don't try and hide behind "intellect" when it's razor thin and spelled wrong.
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Its a tragedy. I hope for Cory's sake he can get over the emotional issues that come from a mistake like this. I hope he worked out a reasonable plea deal, and even if his skate career is done, that he is able to eventually live a regular life again and be a productive member of society.
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I haven't had criminal procedure yet, but what I've gathered from law school so far is all this really depends on the state laws, how harsh the DA wants to rail Cory, what the Judge ate for breakfast that day... Really no point speculating unless you're a criminal prosecutor/ defense attorney admitted in Washington state.
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He blew a 0.1 and the sentencing guideline for cases of vehicular homicide in Washington is 78-102 months if over 0.8. Since he entered a guilty plea, I assume they have a deal worked out where they will not pursue it as a case involving intoxication since he was borderline enough to fight that charge. Without the intoxication charge, it's a weak case unless the guy in the backseat testified against them. The sentence should be about two years assuming they tossed the intoxication aspect. I have no idea how much of that sentence will have to be spent in prison.
Source: https://www.hgfarber.com/rcw-46-61-520-vehicular-homicide.html
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I hope he ends up like Christian Hosoi after jail, minus the whole outspoken born again Christian thing...
Wearing a fedora and laughing uncomfortably too long at his own jokes?
I mean't more so with the success and happiness. Then again Hosoi went to jail for meth, not killing a man.
Anand how many people died from using that meth?
Probably none.
Of course, there’s much more malice in attempting to traffic meth than there is in giving a guy a ride when you drank too much
Before confiscation. your not an idiot, please dont act like one.
That makes one of us I guess.
Since you said "Anand how many people died from using that meth?" silly goose me thought you meant "that meth" when you said "that meth" and since his talents were in spandex and airs and obviously not in smuggling drugs the answer is a big fat zero. You're talking specifically about Cory Kennedy's case but the drug trade as a whole when talking about Hosoi? I'm the idiot? Don't try and hide behind "intellect" when it's razor thin and spelled wrong.
^^^what SFB said. Also worth noting that, generally speaking, meth is actually pretty bad at killing people, which is why we have all those mugshot timelines that span years or decades of people slowly becoming increasingly horrifying to look at.
Had that big bag of meth gone missing, the real question would be, how many Honolulu residents stayed up for four days obsessively scrubbing their kitchen floors and picking at their faces?
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Holy shit. I know I'm gonna get shit for this, but I didn't hear about this. And even crazier, I didn't know this is how P-Stone died.
I guess I've been pretty out of the loop of skating for the past 10 or so months cause of school, but I did see on instagram that he died, just didn't know how. This is crazy
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
Well, you’re an idiot. I’m just saying if I die by drowning don’t hold my memorial at a swimming pool. Same logic works for beer.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
Even if you died at age 90 swimming laps at a community pool you’ve gone to every day since 1973?
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
Putting him in jail doesn't bring P-Stone back -- and let's be clear this was an accident, he wasn't trying to kill him --but if you do the crime, you have to do the time.
Also some people were posting about his widow, I follow her on IG she seemed 100% OK with the KOTR tribute -- she knows who she was married to and she was down with him -- but it's also obvious her life has been ripped apart by Preston's dead. (I just checked her FB and she linked to the episode with a lot of <3s, btw.)
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At first I felt some sympathy for Cory because he was a favorite growing up, but when Elijah, Grant, and Ishod went to Washington State last month, I saw Instagram stories of them drinking beers in the back of a van that was in motion. I don't know if Cory was drinking or not, I would certainly hope he would have the good sense to distance himself from alcohol and motor vehicles.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
Even if you died at age 90 swimming laps at a community pool you’ve gone to every day since 1973?
The equivalent dedication to alcohol is far less worthy of celebration
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At first I felt some sympathy for Cory because he was a favorite growing up, but when Elijah, Grant, and Ishod went to Washington State last month, I saw Instagram stories of them drinking beers in the back of a van that was in motion. I don't know if Cory was drinking or not, I would certainly hope he would have the good sense to distance himself from alcohol and motor vehicles.
Trunk bois bro.
Haha do you by any chance ride for skatology?
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wait, p-stone had no seat belt on???
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His death was mostly related to his not having a seatbelt on, but i agree beer worship is annoying. Slaps favorite patlanta got a pstone tattoo of a water faucet crossed out and beer written underneath it, maybe preston would have enjoyed that but from an outsiders view its so immature and corny.
Regaurdless of how the man lived his life i think its pretty obvious this is a good time to reevaluate the glory and praise skateboarding and the general public put on drinking and partying.
Everyone skating over cases of beer at cph looked like a fuckin tailgate party, some trashy jock shit.
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
The court will not blame the victim like that.
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At first I felt some sympathy for Cory because he was a favorite growing up, but when Elijah, Grant, and Ishod went to Washington State last month, I saw Instagram stories of them drinking beers in the back of a van that was in motion. I don't know if Cory was drinking or not, I would certainly hope he would have the good sense to distance himself from alcohol and motor vehicles.
So whoever is driving cant be sober while dudes drink beer in the back?
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
The court will not blame the victim like that.
I think his point was that p-stone was not a true victim to the same extent of a random guy riding his bike down the street and getting hit.
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
The court will not blame the victim like that.
I get what you guys mean but you should take a look at what you're saying. The term gets abused but you're textbook victim blaming. Cory Kennedy was driving drunk and crashed the car. That's the crime and Pstone was a victim of that. Him being drunk in the chair next to him has absolutely no bearing on Cory sliding the car into a tree because he was driving too fast while drunk and couldn't control it.
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
The court will not blame the victim like that.
I get what you guys mean but you should take a look at what you're saying. The term gets abused but you're textbook victim blaming. Cory Kennedy was driving drunk and crashed the car. That's the crime and Pstone was a victim of that. Him being drunk in the chair next to him has absolutely no bearing on Cory sliding the car into a tree because he was driving too fast while drunk and couldn't control it.
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
The court will not blame the victim like that.
I get what you guys mean but you should take a look at what you're saying. The term gets abused but you're textbook victim blaming. Cory Kennedy was driving drunk and crashed the car. That's the crime and Pstone was a victim of that. Him being drunk in the chair next to him has absolutely no bearing on Cory sliding the car into a tree because he was driving too fast while drunk and couldn't control it.
I see victim blaming more as blaming the guy for riding a bike at night or saying that someone was raped because of what they are wearing. assuming p-stone was drinking with cory before he drove, knew that he probably had too much to drink to drive and still got in the car without a seatbelt - and the possibility that they were drinking while driving/open container has more bearing on the situation than you or me driving to work and a drunk crossing the center line.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
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A girl in Tacoma, first time offender, killed a guy on a bike while drunk (barely) and she got 7 years after pleading guilty. Same basic deal, so I would expect him to get 7 and serve 4.
the big difference though is that guy on a bike wasn't party to the drinking. p-stone was drinking with cory and knew he was getting in the car with someone who'd been drinking and didn't wear a seatbelt. that has to mitigate cory's responsibility at least somewhat.
The court will not blame the victim like that.
I get what you guys mean but you should take a look at what you're saying. The term gets abused but you're textbook victim blaming. Cory Kennedy was driving drunk and crashed the car. That's the crime and Pstone was a victim of that. Him being drunk in the chair next to him has absolutely no bearing on Cory sliding the car into a tree because he was driving too fast while drunk and couldn't control it.
Again I see what you're getting at but I think you're crossing a lot of wires to justify him being at fault for his own death. He isn't. They weren't sharing the wheel or pedals with Cory in charge of turning left and braking and Preston in charge of turning right and accelerating. You're conflating his poor decisions that were unrelated to Cory's responsibility and fatal error as the operator of the automobile. He could have made better decisions that would have altered things, sure, but he is absolutely a victim of Cory's drunk driving. You don't know if he was telling him to go faster or to slow the fuck down. You have no idea of anything that happened aside from three people got drunk, one of them was driving a car, one of them was seriously injured, and one of them died. He was inarguably the victim of vehicular homicide (you can tell because that's what Cory was charged with) and you saying "hmmm I dunno I feel like..." doesn't change it. You're wrong.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
Who the fuck are you and how do you have 2,200 posts on my messageboard?
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
like I said LAUGHABLE.
Seriously, though, riddle me this. All you ever do is bitch about skateboarders, the industry and everyone involved in it, the people here, etc. and my question is if you hate all that shit about skateboarding so much, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE??? AND WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN SKATE STILL????
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
like I said LAUGHABLE.
Seriously, though, riddle me this. All you ever do is bitch about skateboarders, the industry and everyone involved in it, the people here, etc. and my question is if you hate all that shit about skateboarding so much, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE??? AND WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN SKATE STILL????
fascinating and unique question that for sure no one has ever asked a bitter older skater on the internet
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
like I said LAUGHABLE.
Seriously, though, riddle me this. All you ever do is bitch about skateboarders, the industry and everyone involved in it, the people here, etc. and my question is if you hate all that shit about skateboarding so much, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE??? AND WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN SKATE STILL????
I’m not answering your question until you answer mine. Who are you and how do you have 2200 posts on my board?
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
like I said LAUGHABLE.
Seriously, though, riddle me this. All you ever do is bitch about skateboarders, the industry and everyone involved in it, the people here, etc. and my question is if you hate all that shit about skateboarding so much, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE??? AND WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN SKATE STILL????
Fuck, right when I thought you had valid points. You had to go full narcissistic person.
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
The assumption that there would be a memorial held for YOU is laughable.
like I said LAUGHABLE.
Seriously, though, riddle me this. All you ever do is bitch about skateboarders, the industry and everyone involved in it, the people here, etc. and my question is if you hate all that shit about skateboarding so much, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE??? AND WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN SKATE STILL????
His name is Betaphenylethylalamine
It’s on the left
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Hey, now that two lives have been ruined, any way the skate industry wants to chill on romanticizing p-stone’s relationship with alcohol?
I guess I don’t know his perspective, but if I die in a drunk driving accident, I’d feel like people were spitting on my grave if they did shit like name a microbrew after me or making people drink beers “in my honor” a la king of the road. Shit is so tasteless and lacking in awareness.
“One of our friends died and the other is going to jail because of a drunk driving accident...how do we respect our fallen friend? BOOZE!” Its gross. A real way to honor him would be to take the dangers associated with alcohol more seriously and to start taking cabs/lyfts when you drink
You've got a vendetta against the truth. Dude drank. He was drunk when he died. Also people like to drink - I could say that your using his death as a platform for your guilt trips but I'm not that kind of guy.
Even if you died at age 90 swimming laps at a community pool you’ve gone to every day since 1973?
You're equivocating a lifestyle of casual drinking with the crime of drinking and drinking and driving. I don't find it in bad taste to celebrate a man in accordance to how he truly lived. No one is saying getting loaded and then taking a drive is okay. They're saying this was a great guy and this is how he lived. If anything, it should be taken as an opportunity to promote drinking responsibly. I think you do have a point in that I have yet to see it presented that way. Instead they just say they loved the man and speak nothing to the circumstances that brought about his passing, and that, I think, is the true failure of the skate industry. It seems to be the strategy with every controversial topic. The industry as a whole seems to be unwilling to directly address the topic and use their influence for the good of everyone that is touched by them.
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If I answer your question, I'd basically be acknowledging the fact that this is YOUR message board and that shit certainly ain't happenin, Gip.
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driving a vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it is a separate offense from a dui
edit: apparently it's legal in some states, but WA isn't one of them
It’s legal in Connecticut. Which coincidentally is a fucking super awesome state to go skate park hoppin in. There’s so many.
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If I answer your question, I'd basically be acknowledging the fact that this is YOUR message board and that shit certainly ain't happenin, Gip.
;D ;D ;D
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If I answer your question, I'd basically be acknowledging the fact that this is YOUR message board and that shit certainly ain't happenin, Gip.
Okay you did indeed go full person
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driving a vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it is a separate offense from a dui
edit: apparently it's legal in some states, but WA isn't one of them
It’s legal in Connecticut. Which coincidentally is a fucking super awesome state to go skate park hoppin in. There’s so many.
this is true, but i found this stipulation funny on the ct gov website.
"It is illegal in Connecticut for someone operating a motor vehicle on a public highway, in a parking lot for 10 or more cars, on certain other classes of roads, or on school property to drink any amount of alcohol."
just gotta find an empty parking lot to drunk drive in.
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driving a vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it is a separate offense from a dui
edit: apparently it's legal in some states, but WA isn't one of them
It’s legal in Connecticut. Which coincidentally is a fucking super awesome state to go skate park hoppin in. There’s so many.
"It is illegal in Connecticut for someone operating a motor vehicle on a public highway, in a parking lot for 10 or more cars, on certain other classes of roads, or on school property to drink any amount of alcohol."
just gotta find an empty parking lot to drunk drive in.
For, not of. Gotta find those nine-car lots for a joyride.
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driving a vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it is a separate offense from a dui
edit: apparently it's legal in some states, but WA isn't one of them
It’s legal in Connecticut. Which coincidentally is a fucking super awesome state to go skate park hoppin in. There’s so many.
Also the package stores close pretty early. At least they sell til 10pm and on Sundays now though! It was 8pm and no Sunday sales for the entirety of the 20th century I believe. CT has kooky booze laws.
this is true, but i found this stipulation funny on the ct gov website.
"It is illegal in Connecticut for someone operating a motor vehicle on a public highway, in a parking lot for 10 or more cars, on certain other classes of roads, or on school property to drink any amount of alcohol."
just gotta find an empty parking lot to drunk drive in.
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If you think regular ol' critical thinking is lawyer speak... I don't know something like "hoo boy" or something like that. Maybe just a whistling sound?
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Y’all pretending to be Lawyers
If you think regular ol' critical thinking is lawyer speak... I don't know something like "hoo boy" or something like that. Maybe just a whistling sound?
BOI if you don’t stop....
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At first I felt some sympathy for Cory because he was a favorite growing up, but when Elijah, Grant, and Ishod went to Washington State last month, I saw Instagram stories of them drinking beers in the back of a van that was in motion. I don't know if Cory was drinking or not, I would certainly hope he would have the good sense to distance himself from alcohol and motor vehicles.
Haha do you by any chance ride for skatology?
No I don't, but I'm friends with most of those Bel Air dudes. This user name was more a reference to the Movie Fubar directly than to Ian's video that quoted the movie. That's sick that you know Skatology though, it's a cool little shop.
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Y’all pretending to be Lawyers
If you think regular ol' critical thinking is lawyer speak... I don't know something like "hoo boy" or something like that. Maybe just a whistling sound?
BOI if you don’t stop....
Definitely just the whistling sound
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
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driving a vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it is a separate offense from a dui
edit: apparently it's legal in some states, but WA isn't one of them
It’s legal in Connecticut. Which coincidentally is a fucking super awesome state to go skate park hoppin in. There’s so many.
"It is illegal in Connecticut for someone operating a motor vehicle on a public highway, in a parking lot for 10 or more cars, on certain other classes of roads, or on school property to drink any amount of alcohol."
just gotta find an empty parking lot to drunk drive in.
You used to be able to drink whilst driving in Delaware so long as you didn't hit the threshold of being legally intoxicated.
My father said this was a very "sensible" law as he drank his PBR and allowed my 5 year old self to sit in the front seat.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
That's felony murder and drunk driving is a one person crime that Pstone did not commit.
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i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
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i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
here's one but it's a regular enough occurance.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/15/alabama-accomplice-law-lakeith-smith
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
He’s definitely not an accomplice
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i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/15/alabama-accomplice-law-lakeith-smith
It seems like some Jim Crow shit. I can’t believe it’s in 46 states.
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driving a vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it is a separate offense from a dui
edit: apparently it's legal in some states, but WA isn't one of them
It’s legal in Connecticut. Which coincidentally is a fucking super awesome state to go skate park hoppin in. There’s so many.
"It is illegal in Connecticut for someone operating a motor vehicle on a public highway, in a parking lot for 10 or more cars, on certain other classes of roads, or on school property to drink any amount of alcohol."
just gotta find an empty parking lot to drunk drive in.
I have some friends that take a ct trip every summer. They rent a huge van and hit all the parks. They said they asked some cops about that law and generally they don’t worry too much about it as long as the driver can’t reach out and grab a drink.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
SFB isn’t ‘probably’ right. He IS right.
I don’t know how the word ‘accomplice’ popped into your head. They weren’t robbing a bank. It’s not illegal to be a drunk passenger in a car.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
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This may have been brought up and I missed it.
There are plenty of times I could have been in this same situation, as I am sure many of you could have as well.. and on either end.
I wouldn't want my friend to be charged with any crime if I was the one who bought the farm, on any number of nights.
That is pretty much how I frame this situation and assign 'blame' or lack of.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
If you mean 'a crime' as in driving under the influence then I agree whole heartedly but if your implying a murder took place then you've lost credibility here imo.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
if you do dumb shit and kill your friend, its murder.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The word accomplice doesn’t even apply to this situation. Yeah P-stone should have had better judgment than to get in the car with Corey, but doing so does not in any way shape or form label him as an accomplice.
EDIT: Also it’s more than just driving under the influence. It’s vehicular manslaughter. And putting ‘a crime’ in quotations like that about driving under the influence makes me think that you don’t take that very seriously. I hope I’m wrong about that.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
SHUUUUUT UPPPPPPPP YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER. It's not murder. Go ahead and just google "murder." In fact, make it a habit to do that any time you think you've really got a good one for the boards. I guess CBD can't cure stupid, huh?
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The word accomplice doesn’t even apply to this situation. Yeah P-stone should have had better judgment than to get in the car with Corey, but doing so does not in any way shape or form label him as an accomplice.
So you mean accomplice to murder and you think P Stone was murdered (?) I'm not clear fully on your stance here.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The word accomplice doesn’t even apply to this situation. Yeah P-stone should have had better judgment than to get in the car with Corey, but doing so does not in any way shape or form label him as an accomplice.
No. Go back and re-read everything.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The word accomplice doesn’t even apply to this situation. Yeah P-stone should have had better judgment than to get in the car with Corey, but doing so does not in any way shape or form label him as an accomplice.
No. Go back and re-read everything.
That's fine I'll take your word for it.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The word accomplice doesn’t even apply to this situation. Yeah P-stone should have had better judgment than to get in the car with Corey, but doing so does not in any way shape or form label him as an accomplice.
No. Go back and re-read everything.
I think you got confused by my previous post. I was agreeing to half of your post, hence why I bolded that part. Not the ‘murder’ part if that clears things up.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The word accomplice doesn’t even apply to this situation. Yeah P-stone should have had better judgment than to get in the car with Corey, but doing so does not in any way shape or form label him as an accomplice.
No. Go back and re-read everything.
I think you got confused by my previous post. I was agreeing to half of your post, hence why I bolded that part. Not the ‘murder’ part if that clears things up.
Yes, thanks for that.
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I love how Cory is just acting like everything is fine. Just out skating. No apologies
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Cory owes The Slap an apology
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I love how Cory is just acting like everything is fine. Just out skating. No apologies
You don’t know how he feels. I’m sure he’s racked with guilt and feels truly awful for everything that happened. He’s not acting like everything is “fine” and I’m sure he’s sincerely apologized to Preston’s family. What would you prefer him to do, sit inside with the curtains drawn? I’m glad he’s out skating, it’s probably the only time he gets a break from everything he’s dealing with. Also, considering the fact that he is most likely going to prison, this could be the last time he gets to skate in a very long time.
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How much you think bail is gonna cost?
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Cory owes The Slap an apology
the way some people have been posting i wouldnt be surprised if they thought preston owed corey and apology
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
He drove a vehicle and crashed. His friend died. That's murder . I didnt mention his intent. But if you kill someone, that person was murdered
Cbd doesnt "cure" everything
But drunk driving "cured" p stone of life
Corey killed him and now he'll pay the price.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
He drove a vehicle and crashed. His friend died. That's murder . I didnt mention his intent. But if you kill someone, that person was murdered
Cbd doesnt "cure" everything
But drunk driving "cured" p stone of life
Corey killed him and now he'll pay the price.
It's called manslaughter. In this case it probably falls under vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
He drove a vehicle and crashed. His friend died. That's murder . I didnt mention his intent. But if you kill someone, that person was murdered
Cbd doesnt "cure" everything
But drunk driving "cured" p stone of life
Corey killed him and now he'll pay the price.
duh, that's just legal jargon. If you killed somone they were murdered
Intent etc is different but the outcome is the same
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God damn ya'll throwing around some big terms without truly realizing what they mean in any given state in the country. Really though unless you're an attorney in Washington state then please stop giving your legal opinion in this matter, as it's obviously very complicated.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
He drove a vehicle and crashed. His friend died. That's murder . I didnt mention his intent. But if you kill someone, that person was murdered
Cbd doesnt "cure" everything
But drunk driving "cured" p stone of life
Corey killed him and now he'll pay the price.
Intent etc is different but the outcome is the same
Dawg "jargon" is industry specific words that make the meaning purposely hard to understand to outsiders. If you killed someone on purpose it's murder, but if it's done accidentally, even with gross negligence, it's still manslaughter. The name is pretty easy to understand and its precedent stretches all the way back to the Ancient Greeks
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
He drove a vehicle and crashed. His friend died. That's murder . I didnt mention his intent. But if you kill someone, that person was murdered
Cbd doesnt "cure" everything
But drunk driving "cured" p stone of life
Corey killed him and now he'll pay the price.
Intent etc is different but the outcome is the same
In WA state they solved this argument by calling it Vehicular Homicide, which is what he plead guilty to. Some states call it DUI Manslaughter, but not WA. For sentencing purposes it's the same as first degree manslaughter, 78 - 102 months.
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Murder has to have some intent behind it. This is not murder.
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i see p-stone as more of an accomplice in the situation than SFB seems to. however, in the eyes of the law he's probably right. when people commit a crime together and one is killed its not uncommon to charge the living accomplice in the death of the one who died. i've seen it where a cop has shot killed one of them but the living perp gets charged as if they shot and killed their friend.
Fuck yes he was an 'accomplice' to his own death (much like s. cross was -grown men and women make their own decisions and fate can take anyones life at any moment) ,
But blame hardly is constructive in a sad situation like this. -Just crack a cold one, pour some on the ground and stfu.
do you also think women that are raped while drunk are accomplices to their rape?
Thats laughing gas logic bro. With rape you are forced but neither P Stone or Shane Cross were forced into doing anything.
I think you’re kinda missing the point of this. Trillytrill was looking at it as if they were both involved with a crime, which P-stone was not. The only one committing the crime was Corey.
He drove a vehicle and crashed. His friend died. That's murder . I didnt mention his intent. But if you kill someone, that person was murdered
Cbd doesnt "cure" everything
But drunk driving "cured" p stone of life
Corey killed him and now he'll pay the price.
Intent etc is different but the outcome is the same
There’s no such thing as ‘accidently’ murdering someone. That’s not the meaning of murder. And that’s not a word you should just toss around in a situation like this because you don’t know if the families involved are reading this right now.
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So, if Cory was stone sober, what would he be charged with?
He was a fraction over the legal limit. FOH with that’s murder bullshit.
Horrible tragedy, multiple lives ruined, but not fucking murder.
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Just looking at recent sentences for vehicular manslaughter involving DUI from around Seattle (not just King County) the range of sentencing was a 1 to 11 years. For reference, of the dozen or so I looked at, the higher sentencings were in King County.
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murder requires intent - this is the difference between murder and manslaughter. What if corey and crew had killed someone(after all drinking together) who was walking down the street and everyone inside the car lived? Do you think the passengers would be like "damn, that's fucked up corey" or "damn, we fucked up". Wasn't there a 3rd person on the car? I'm sure they feel more like an accomplice than a victim to p-stones death. Of course his death was not his fault but I don't see how he is a innocent victim. Innocent victims die from stray drive-bye bullets and terrorist attacks. In this day and age we all know the dangers of drugs/alcohol. Be it - cross, dunn, harold, KM etc. They all played some part and I see it as a different situation than Dylan or Lewis.
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Manslaughter. Not murder. I can't believe people are arguing about this.
Actually, I can.
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I think the judge should sentence him to a lifetime of having to ride girl decks. That’s punishment enough.
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Manslaughter. Not murder. I can't believe people are arguing about this.
Actually, I can.
It's all technical legal jargon.
At this point is it 7th degree manslaughter?
If you kill someone you killed them. It's that simple. Add in whatever variables you choose, but hes still dead and cory is responsible
See ya in 20 years cory
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its not jargon. murder and killing arent the same thing. murder is a type of killing. murder is intentional killing. why is that so hard for you to understand? calling someone a murderer is saying it was a meaningful act.
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its not jargon. murder and killing arent the same thing. murder is a type of killing. murder is intentional killing. why is that so hard for you to understand? calling someone a murderer is saying it was a meaningful act.
Skaters are fucking stupid, how have you not learned this by now? Wait I just answered my own question. Now who's the stupid one?
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Manslaughter. Not murder. I can't believe people are arguing about this.
Actually, I can.
It's all technical legal jargon.
At this point is it 7th degree manslaughter?
If you kill someone you killed them. It's that simple. Add in whatever variables you choose, but hes still dead and cory is responsible
See ya in 20 years cory
I know you're not shifting toward being a troll this far into your current account so I guess you're just incredibly dumb. You should definitely consider focusing again or just stick to talking about weed and secondhand WebMD advice.
Ouch
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Manslaughter. Not murder. I can't believe people are arguing about this.
Actually, I can.
It's all technical legal jargon.
At this point is it 7th degree manslaughter?
If you kill someone you killed them. It's that simple. Add in whatever variables you choose, but hes still dead and cory is responsible
See ya in 20 years cory
I know you're not shifting toward being a troll this far into your current account so I guess you're just incredibly dumb. You should definitely consider focusing again or just stick to talking about weed and secondhand WebMD advice.
Ouch
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Manslaughter. Not murder. I can't believe people are arguing about this.
Actually, I can.
It's all technical legal jargon.
At this point is it 7th degree manslaughter?
If you kill someone you killed them. It's that simple. Add in whatever variables you choose, but hes still dead and cory is responsible
See ya in 20 years cory
I know you're not shifting toward being a troll this far into your current account so I guess you're just incredibly dumb. You should definitely consider focusing again or just stick to talking about weed and secondhand WebMD advice.
Ouch
Love it
Same here. Top notch
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Saying Cory murdered him is like saying Preston suicided. Fucking idiots.
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Just want to make it clear I don’t think Cory MURDERED anybody. Probably a clear cut manslaughter case and its an awful situation and I feel bad for him and P-Stone.
I just don’t like how people are glamorizing a guy’s relationship with the thing that killed him, because all they are doing is clearing the way for the next P-Stone, or Shane Cross, or Phil Shao....how many fucking people need to die as a result of drinking and driving before we stop enabling and even encouraging that shit as a culture? The KOTR ventilation beer chug challenge “dedicated” to P Stone made me sick.
Celebrate who he was as a filmer, road dog, friend, family man, bbq master, and all of the other many things people are celebrating, but we’ve lost way too many legends to drunk driving to keep enabling it as a culture.
Cory Kennedy may have killed P Stone, toxic romanticization of alcohol by our culture as a whole murdered him
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some people love alcohol more than anything
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When I was in high school a buddy of mine skitched my other friends car. He fell and died. Dude driving got charged with manslaughter. He’s in the marines now.
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he was being a jackass and killed another person. he needs to pay the price. no sympathy. buh bye cory kennedy.
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Alcohol is a fucking shitty drug.
It turns people into emotional babies, who can do some really stupid shit that can have really bad consequences.
And I agree with Gipper, memorializing someone that died drunk,and because of another drunk, is fucked up.
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sometimes i hold this forum to a higher regard than what its actually worth. there are some fucking imbeciles posting on here.
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Just want to make it clear I don’t think Cory MURDERED anybody. Probably a clear cut manslaughter case and its an awful situation and I feel bad for him and P-Stone.
I just don’t like how people are glamorizing a guy’s relationship with the thing that killed him, because all they are doing is clearing the way for the next P-Stone, or Shane Cross, or Phil Shao....how many fucking people need to die as a result of drinking and driving before we stop enabling and even encouraging that shit as a culture? The KOTR ventilation beer chug challenge “dedicated” to P Stone made me sick.
Celebrate who he was as a filmer, road dog, friend, family man, bbq master, and all of the other many things people are celebrating, but we’ve lost way too many legends to drunk driving to keep enabling it as a culture.
Cory Kennedy may have killed P Stone, toxic romanticization of alcohol by our culture as a whole murdered him
This reminds me of the George Michael death situation. In the wake of his death the media and the merchandisers presented George as one thing but those who knew his life a bit more in depth were saying, 'george was a dirty mother fucker who had sex in bathroom stalls and he loved his life, -please portray this reality in order to honor his choices' Thats what it is with P stone. -He CHOSE to represent alchohol. He's gone -forget 'the lesson to be learned' for a fucking second and toast to his life and times.
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Just want to make it clear I don’t think Cory MURDERED anybody. Probably a clear cut manslaughter case and its an awful situation and I feel bad for him and P-Stone.
I just don’t like how people are glamorizing a guy’s relationship with the thing that killed him, because all they are doing is clearing the way for the next P-Stone, or Shane Cross, or Phil Shao....how many fucking people need to die as a result of drinking and driving before we stop enabling and even encouraging that shit as a culture? The KOTR ventilation beer chug challenge “dedicated” to P Stone made me sick.
Celebrate who he was as a filmer, road dog, friend, family man, bbq master, and all of the other many things people are celebrating, but we’ve lost way too many legends to drunk driving to keep enabling it as a culture.
Cory Kennedy may have killed P Stone, toxic romanticization of alcohol by our culture as a whole murdered him
This reminds me of the George Michael death situation. In the wake of his death the media and the merchandisers presented George as one thing but those who knew his life a bit more in depth were saying, 'george was a dirty mother fucker who had sex in bathroom stalls and he loved his life, -please portray this reality in order to honor his choices' Thats what it is with P stone. -He CHOSE to represent alchohol. He's gone -forget 'the lesson to be learned' for a fucking second and toast to his life and times.
God you are stupid.
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Just want to make it clear I don’t think Cory MURDERED anybody. Probably a clear cut manslaughter case and its an awful situation and I feel bad for him and P-Stone.
I just don’t like how people are glamorizing a guy’s relationship with the thing that killed him, because all they are doing is clearing the way for the next P-Stone, or Shane Cross, or Phil Shao....how many fucking people need to die as a result of drinking and driving before we stop enabling and even encouraging that shit as a culture? The KOTR ventilation beer chug challenge “dedicated” to P Stone made me sick.
Celebrate who he was as a filmer, road dog, friend, family man, bbq master, and all of the other many things people are celebrating, but we’ve lost way too many legends to drunk driving to keep enabling it as a culture.
Cory Kennedy may have killed P Stone, toxic romanticization of alcohol by our culture as a whole murdered him
This reminds me of the George Michael death situation. In the wake of his death the media and the merchandisers presented George as one thing but those who knew his life a bit more in depth were saying, 'george was a dirty mother fucker who had sex in bathroom stalls and he loved his life, -please portray this reality in order to honor his choices' Thats what it is with P stone. -He CHOSE to represent alchohol. He's gone -forget 'the lesson to be learned' for a fucking second and toast to his life and times.
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^ So P stone glorified the fuck out of alcohol but we'll let gipper erase that from record cause he doesn't like it and because he feels he can over ride Pstones memory and life so that 'more people don't die guilt trip ect'
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Jesus Christ you are a fucking idiot. Yeah, P-Stone glorified the fuck out of alcohol. And he fucking died because of alcohol. All gipper is saying is maybe, god fucking forbid, rather than cracking a beer for P-Stone we should think about how excessively glorified having a shitty relationship with alcohol is in skate culture and that perhaps we ougth to consider the possibility that it's not necessarily that cool.
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Jesus Christ you are a fucking idiot. Yeah, P-Stone glorified the fuck out of alcohol. And he fucking died because of alcohol. All gipper is saying is maybe, god fucking forbid, rather than cracking a beer for P-Stone we should think about how excessively glorified binging on alcohol is in skate culture and that perhaps it's not that cool.
Thats not exactly what he said there . You're re wording it a lil bit. Chill the fuck out while your at it. He was talking specifically about the media and memorium activities people held in the wake of P stones death. Mother fuckers who actually knew him. -Thats who he was shitting on. So fuck you man.
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kotr should have a crack smoking contest when andy roy kicks it
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So funny how the people most often asking others to "chill the fuck out" always seem to be the most agitated.
I think Gip has an interesting point, the man died in a way related to alcohol abuse, so it seems a little macabre to celebrate via alcohol abuse. Seems less like going surfing to celebrate your friend who died surfing, and more like smoking a 40 cigarettes in a row to celebrate your friend who died of lung cancer.
More central to this thread, Cory is rich and something of a celebrity, his family is rich, which means the system favors him in general, and that they can afford high quality legal counsel. The fact he plead guilty guarantees there was a plea deal. You're out of your mind if you think he's getting ten years or whatever, if he serves any jail time at all I would be surprised.
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Manslaughter. Not murder. I can't believe people are arguing about this.
Actually, I can.
It's all technical legal jargon.
At this point is it 7th degree manslaughter?
If you kill someone you killed them. It's that simple. Add in whatever variables you choose, but hes still dead and cory is responsible
See ya in 20 years cory
So funny how the people most often asking others to "chill the fuck out" always seem to be the most agitated.
I think Gip has an interesting point, the man died in a way related to alcohol abuse, so it seems a little macabre to celebrate via alcohol abuse. Seems less like going surfing to celebrate your friend who died surfing, and more like smoking a 40 cigarettes in a row to celebrate your friend who died of lung cancer.
More central to this thread, Cory is rich and something of a celebrity, his family is rich, which means the system favors him in general, and that they can afford high quality legal counsel. The fact he plead guilty guarantees there was a plea deal. You're out of your mind if you think he's getting ten years or whatever, if he serves any jail time at all I would be surprised.
the dynamic between people on here that understand/don't understand how the world works is striking
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Thinking of John, Jackie. We love him. Trying to keep that memory alive, babe.
https://youtu.be/pJSZcxXe7IQ
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Update: Sentencing hearing is set for August 31st
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hes prolly still drinking like a jackass.
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
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So funny how the people most often asking others to "chill the fuck out" always seem to be the most agitated.
I think Gip has an interesting point, the man died in a way related to alcohol abuse, so it seems a little macabre to celebrate via alcohol abuse. Seems less like going surfing to celebrate your friend who died surfing, and more like smoking a 40 cigarettes in a row to celebrate your friend who died of lung cancer.
More central to this thread, Cory is rich and something of a celebrity, his family is rich, which means the system favors him in general, and that they can afford high quality legal counsel. The fact he plead guilty guarantees there was a plea deal. You're out of your mind if you think he's getting ten years or whatever, if he serves any jail time at all I would be surprised.
Yah so funny. (dont actually address my point, just be passive aggressive cause thats your capacity.)
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_curse
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So funny how the people most often asking others to "chill the fuck out" always seem to be the most agitated.
I think Gip has an interesting point, the man died in a way related to alcohol abuse, so it seems a little macabre to celebrate via alcohol abuse. Seems less like going surfing to celebrate your friend who died surfing, and more like smoking a 40 cigarettes in a row to celebrate your friend who died of lung cancer.
More central to this thread, Cory is rich and something of a celebrity, his family is rich, which means the system favors him in general, and that they can afford high quality legal counsel. The fact he plead guilty guarantees there was a plea deal. You're out of your mind if you think he's getting ten years or whatever, if he serves any jail time at all I would be surprised.
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So funny how the people most often asking others to "chill the fuck out" always seem to be the most agitated.
I think Gip has an interesting point, the man died in a way related to alcohol abuse, so it seems a little macabre to celebrate via alcohol abuse. Seems less like going surfing to celebrate your friend who died surfing, and more like smoking a 40 cigarettes in a row to celebrate your friend who died of lung cancer.
More central to this thread, Cory is rich and something of a celebrity, his family is rich, which means the system favors him in general, and that they can afford high quality legal counsel. The fact he plead guilty guarantees there was a plea deal. You're out of your mind if you think he's getting ten years or whatever, if he serves any jail time at all I would be surprised.
We’ve already laughed you off his thread though, your opinion stopped counting a while ago
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Cory Kennedy is a dumb drunk driving fuck who killed a beloved member of the skateboard community and moreover a father of two young boys who now have to grow up without a father. Stop blaming the victim. Why don't y'all start a new thread: FREE GATOR: cause he can ride a skateboard.
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hes prolly still drinking like a jackass.
If he's still heavily drinking I feel bad for him, but I doubt if he is, its on a lets party type attitude. More of, I'm fucking depressed let me drink until I can forget my problems and do it again soon. I had a friend who accidently killed someone in a car accident (wasn't drunk but was extremely reckless and the passanger wasn't wearing a seatbelt), and it led down a path to life-changing addiction, in-part, because he couldn't deal with the issues caused by his guilt.
Cory Kennedy is a dumb drunk driving fuck who killed a beloved member of the skateboard community and moreover a father of two young boys who now have to grow up without a father. Stop blaming the victim. Why don't y'all start a new thread: FREE GATOR: cause he can ride a skateboard.
Lets not start with extreme false equivalencies here. If you think what Gator and Cory did were in anyway comparable outside of the fact they were criminal acts and led to a death, you are truly a moron. One, is a very stupid and immature mistake with horrible consequences, the other is fucking murder with extreme malice.
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So funny how the people most often asking others to "chill the fuck out" always seem to be the most agitated.
I think Gip has an interesting point, the man died in a way related to alcohol abuse, so it seems a little macabre to celebrate via alcohol abuse. Seems less like going surfing to celebrate your friend who died surfing, and more like smoking a 40 cigarettes in a row to celebrate your friend who died of lung cancer.
More central to this thread, Cory is rich and something of a celebrity, his family is rich, which means the system favors him in general, and that they can afford high quality legal counsel. The fact he plead guilty guarantees there was a plea deal. You're out of your mind if you think he's getting ten years or whatever, if he serves any jail time at all I would be surprised.
What? -so you think thats for YOU to say? come on dude.
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no, you are definitely an idiot
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Well my names better than yours.
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Ryan Dunn killed the passenger in his car too. He was absolutely wasted and was driving over 120 mph. Dunn had a multi page memorial thread though. Cory was barely over the limit and wasn’t really driving too recklessly, just underestimated a turn in the road. Dunn never really caught too much flack though. Was it because he died too? Was it because Dunn’s passenger was an unknown, and Cory’s was a beloved member of the skate community? If Cory died too, would your opinion be different? I’m just playing devil’s advocate here.
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It's hard to punish someone harder than them dying in the accident they caused.
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
Great wealth almost never comes from "hard work." Take that libertarian bullshit to reddit.
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
well lookie here, we got ourselves another big old dummy
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times... fuck librarians!
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
true dat. I've worked my ass off for the pretty half of my life and still buy cigs with quarters some days
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
work smarter, not harder.
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times... fuck librarians!
I did once, it was educational.
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
work smarter, not harder.
That kinda proves the point that hard work isn’t what makes one rich. Really, the ability to take more of the surplus labor of a worker is what makes the rich so wealthy in our current society. Hard work can get you into the middle class, if you have the right kind of job. But being rich requires a greater amount of wealth than one can earn through work. Bezos hasnt put $150 billion wortg of work in, he just owns a behemoth of a company and takes profit from all of the work done within it by all of its workers. He came up witg a smart idea and executed it well, but its impossible to claim he’s the hardest worker in modern history, which would be the case if work effort and wealth were directly connected the way its implied.
And yes, givecigstosurfgroms, you are less respected and more stupid than me. If that bothers you, stop being a worthless pile of shit all the time
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
work smarter, not harder.
And yes, givecigstosurfgroms, you are less respected and more stupid than me. If that bothers you, stop being a worthless pile of shit all the time
it takes money to make money.
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Cory Kennedy is a dumb drunk driving fuck who killed a beloved member of the skateboard community and moreover a father of two young boys who now have to grow up without a father. Stop blaming the victim. Why don't y'all start a new thread: FREE GATOR: cause he can ride a skateboard.
So im assuming youve never made a mistake driving in your life ? Never a wide turn or maybe you didnt see a stop sign ? And yes Cory Kennedy had been drinking, however Pstone did make the decision to drive with him knowing full well what the consequences could be.
Cory deserves to pay for what he has done, but don't treat the guy like a murderer.
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Cory Kennedy is a dumb drunk driving fuck who killed a beloved member of the skateboard community and moreover a father of two young boys who now have to grow up without a father. Stop blaming the victim. Why don't y'all start a new thread: FREE GATOR: cause he can ride a skateboard.
So im assuming youve never made a mistake driving in your life ? Never a wide turn or maybe you didnt see a stop sign ? And yes Cory Kennedy had been drinking, however Pstone did make the decision to drive with him knowing full well what the consequences could be.
Cory deserves to pay for what he has done, but don't treat the guy like a murderer.
My point exactly. Ryan Dunn was driving much more recklessly, was completely wasted, but since he killed an unknown, he was never looked upon as a “murderer”. If Cory’s passenger wasn’t P-Stone, this whole ordeal would be completely different. As if P-Stone’s life was more valuable than an unknown friend.
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damn...It's been awhile. good to see nothings changed up in this bitch. P-stone was the best. gone way too soon. I hope corey's situation gets better. thats all.
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Hard Work?
The fuck it doesn't.
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hes prolly still drinking like a jackass.
When someone uses "prolly" in a sentence, I immediately perk up and listen to what that person has to say because they're prolly smart.
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Cory Kennedy is a dumb drunk driving fuck who killed a beloved member of the skateboard community and moreover a father of two young boys who now have to grow up without a father. Stop blaming the victim. Why don't y'all start a new thread: FREE GATOR: cause he can ride a skateboard.
So im assuming youve never made a mistake driving in your life ? Never a wide turn or maybe you didnt see a stop sign ? And yes Cory Kennedy had been drinking, however Pstone did make the decision to drive with him knowing full well what the consequences could be.
Cory deserves to pay for what he has done, but don't treat the guy like a murderer.
My point exactly. Ryan Dunn was driving much more recklessly, was completely wasted, but since he killed an unknown, he was never looked upon as a “murderer”. If Cory’s passenger wasn’t P-Stone, this whole ordeal would be completely different. As if P-Stone’s life was more valuable than an unknown friend.
No, its because he died. Is that really so hard to figure out? That’s why nobody ran with your point- it was a very bad point
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did anyone ever find out where ck1's family money came from?
Hard Work?
work smarter, not harder.
And yes, givecigstosurfgroms, you are less respected and more stupid than me. If that bothers you, stop being a worthless pile of shit all the time
broke boy gives further evidence that he is in fact a broke boy. go grade some papers you piece of shit.
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broke boy gives further evidence that he is in fact a broke boy. go grade some papers you piece of shit.
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