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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: pugmaster on September 22, 2018, 06:58:50 PM
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Given the diverse interests and geographic distribution of SLAP PALS, I am interested to hear from anyone who is into "prepping" and/or people who prepare for disasters. I know some people who were were recently impacted by hurricane Florence and thought it would be interesting to know about other people's experiences.
As for me, I try to keep sufficient water on hand for at least a couple weeks and try to learn about the topic in general. I bought some MREs and they are okay, albeit not great macros. I've tried a couple for a single meal, not sure a person would feel very good if they subsisted entirely on MREs. I imagine HATE! would/could corroborate this (amongst others).
This site has been the least expensive I have found for MREs.
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-military-surplus-complete-mre-meal-assortment-12-pack?a=2183075 (https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-military-surplus-complete-mre-meal-assortment-12-pack?a=2183075)
I also was surprised that Walmart had a 24 hour survival pack for about 20$. Not a bad deal, shelf life is longer than MRE's by quite a bit. Haven't tried the food yet, but I did notice the container is definitely sturdy and able to serve more than one function (post-Shit Hits The Fan scenario). I think it could be a wonderful toilet.
In the process of becoming more familiar with this topic, I came across this guys channel, which I find really interesting: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2I6Et1JkidnnbWgJFiMeHA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2I6Et1JkidnnbWgJFiMeHA)
Apparently there is a big community of people who are into MREs specifically. The guy in the URL above reviews MRE's. I find it fascinating what soldiers were issued in 19whatever.
So far, I have learned that cigarettes stopped being issued in MREs beginning in 1972.
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i have some camo pants so i figure i'm pretty much set if shit gets real
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Ar fiftheen, ammo, gauze, antibiotics, fentanyl, amphetamine, alcohol, lighters, knife. Everything else is bullshit. Have fun with your mre's though lol. Your plan just hide in a closet as long as u can or some shit?
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If shit gets real, I'll steal baws shit when he's passed out on dog drugs.
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Ar fiftheen, ammo, gauze, antibiotics, fentanyl, amphetamine, alcohol, lighters, knife. Everything else is bullshit. Have fun with your mre's though lol. Your plan just hide in a closet as long as u can or some shit?
I guess you don’t need toilet paper if you use antibiotics daily.
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MREs, or any type of military rations that I've had, are ok as a single meal, but once you go for a couple of weeks you'll end up with the shits or with a brick. it's like a 50/50 chance that you'll shit it all out within an hour or it will stay for another 2 weeks. I'd rather get canned food if I was prepping unless you're basing your strategy on walking on foot.
Personally I think it's pointless to prepare for every scenario, so you'd need to figure out which ones are likely in your area. Are you going to stay at home, go to a cabin (does anyone on slap have a cabin?) somewhere else or just hit the road? Because it's kinda easy to just buy everything you use in your daily life in extreme bulk, but it's way harder to fit it all into your car.
The non kook but still kook way of prepping is to check out what off-grid people are doing.
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Ar fiftheen, ammo, gauze, antibiotics, fentanyl, amphetamine, alcohol, lighters, knife. Everything else is bullshit. Have fun with your mre's though lol. Your plan just hide in a closet as long as u can or some shit?
Of course your first thought is tp with all the bum shit you dodge on the daily, but I have theses things called leaves that exist where I live, also other peoples shit won't be a health concern to me like it would be to you. Your best chance of survival would be hiding under a pile of bum shit.
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There are three preppers on my street. I'm going to kill them and take their stuff.
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I’ve always wondered what if the shit hits the fan when you’re at work but all that stuff you prepped is at home and you can’t get to it? wouldn’t that be kinda hilarious in a really sick way? in the end, the people who survive will probably be the most inherently vicious and sociopathic types and those who benefit from dumb luck, “prepared” or not.
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I just shot a moose. I'm prepped for abit
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I’ve always wondered what if the shit hits the fan when you’re at work but all that stuff you prepped is at home and you can’t get to it? wouldn’t that be kinda hilarious in a really sick way? in the end, the people who survive will probably be the most inherently vicious and sociopathic types and those who benefit from dumb luck, “prepared” or not.
Fuck. Mind blown.
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I'm a pretty avid backpacker. You get all the perks of being prepared without all the cringe of prepper culture. Go take a hike pals.
ChuckRamone is a wise one.
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I can definitely see how MREs are not the best for daily consumption, there is way too much sugar in them.
This is perhaps my favorite 1 minute short film ever.
https://vimeo.com/242573626 (https://vimeo.com/242573626)
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I can definitely see how MREs are not the best for daily consumption, there is way too much sugar in them.
This is perhaps my favorite 1 minute short film ever.
https://vimeo.com/242573626 (https://vimeo.com/242573626)
Such a mindfuck in such a short timespan. Glad you threw this in here.
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i have some camo pants so i figure i'm pretty much set if shit gets real
Roll one leg up and you're good to go.
OP you seen/read The Road? It kind of made me realise that dying early on probably wouldn't be the worst.
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When I am preping for a disaster I make sure my front foot is behind my front truckbolts before I take of and move it forward whilst rotating so I can pop straight back in.
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All you need is love.
However, if anything catastrophic permanently knocks out the worldwide 4G networks or the internet signal to your router you have to ask yourself, "Is it really worth carrying on?"
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Ar fiftheen, ammo, gauze, antibiotics, fentanyl, amphetamine, alcohol, lighters, knife. Everything else is bullshit. Have fun with your mre's though lol. Your plan just hide in a closet as long as u can or some shit?
i guess you'll be bringing a new meaning to eating lead
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Ar fiftheen, ammo, gauze, antibiotics, fentanyl, amphetamine, alcohol, lighters, knife. Everything else is bullshit. Have fun with your mre's though lol. Your plan just hide in a closet as long as u can or some shit?
i guess you'll be bringing a new meaning to eating lead
Yep, 30/06 from 400 yards. Dead before he knows it. Ar15 lol
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkbx-_rX9zU
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When I am preping for a disaster I make sure my front foot is behind my front truckbolts before I take of and move it forward whilst rotating so I can pop straight back in.
When you come in from the disaster it's cool to land with your front foot behind the bolts again. It's like prepping after a disaster. Max Schaaf agrees.
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Yep, 30/06 from 400 yards. Dead before he knows it. Ar15 lol
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Yep, 30/06 from 400 yards. Dead before he knows it. Ar15 lol
Fuck of captain lottery
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I live in a place where it's pretty much a necessity so we have a big back pack ready to go but we need to update the (instant) food in there. Easy to forget about this type of stuff in your day to day life but when a big quake hits you quickly remember how important it is...
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I live in a place where it's pretty much a necessity so we have a big back pack ready to go but we need to update the (instant) food in there. Easy to forget about this type of stuff in your day to day life but when a big quake hits you quickly remember how important it is...
nothing ready at all at my house... When the Tokai Earthquake happnens we are screwed but you know... hakuna matata
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I’m no prepper and this isn’t something that’s been on my mind, but thinking about it now I don’t think we’re that badly prepared in my home.
We hike and camp, so we’ve got an alcohol stove (don’t know the correct English term) and alcohol to last for a good while so we can cook fine without electricity, got torches and batteries as well as a shitload of candles lying around so lighting won’t be a problem.
We’ve always got enough dry goods like rice, beans and quinoa to last for a week or two at least, along with canned tomatoes, pineapples and other stuff. Got dog food for a month too, I’m sure the dog wouldn’t mind sharing if need be.
I don’t have water stored, but as long as the nearby waters aren’t poisoned or anything that shouldn’t be much of an issue. Not enough trees between here and the nearest lake that we’d get cut off by a forest fire either. Should we get snowed in in winter I can melt snow. Things would suck if it was summertime and for some reason we couldn’t leave our building though. Maybe I should get a tank of water.
Where we live there’s no real chance to get a flood or earthquake or anything like that, the only things I can think of that could be a real problem here would be a proper blizzard, a long power outage due to strong winds or whatever, or war (russians?). Should it be necessary there’s a bomb shelter two doors away from our apartment.
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but have you decided which neighbors you'll eat first
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but have you decided which neighbors you'll eat first
We live in a pretty rich neighbourhood with loads of sporty jogging, biking, fitness crazy people and those are the best to eat right?
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but have you decided which neighbors you'll eat first
and which ones you'll fuck.
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but have you decided which neighbors you'll eat first
We live in a pretty rich neighbourhood with loads of sporty jogging, biking, fitness crazy people and those are the best to eat right?
They're a little gamey, but they'll do.
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but have you decided which neighbors you'll eat first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lpw3yMCWro
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I live in a place where it's pretty much a necessity so we have a big back pack ready to go but we need to update the (instant) food in there. Easy to forget about this type of stuff in your day to day life but when a big quake hits you quickly remember how important it is...
nothing ready at all at my house... When the Tokai Earthquake happnens we are screwed but you know... hakuna matata
idk, twas easy to not give a shit about when I didn't have a family but don't know if I could live with the guilt these days?
Super typhoon yesterday was FUCT! Easily the worst typhoon I've ever experienced...
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Once coronavirus is over do you think you will prepare differently?
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Once coronavirus is over do you think you will prepare differently?
I’d say no, Corona has had 0 effects on me so far. I go to store, buy whatever I need and go to work, just like last week. There’s like 300 cases in my country, 0 deaths.
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I've been buying one or two cans of stuff recently every time we go past a supermarket as I kinda saw this coming and figured we needed to stock up so we're pretty good.
I'n the long term our garden won a few awards (best small garden in SA 2018 and 2019) so my girl is pretty across the board at growing our own food. We grow a few things (tomatoes, strawberries, carrots, weed and lettuce) but if push comes to shove we could free up more space and grow a lot more.
If that failed I'd just start killing other people and taking their shit.
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oi!
this is going to be tldr for people--i'm still going to share it...
...food, batteries, medical supplies, etc....shit’s just common sense to keep stocked and stored--fuck, providing one’s situation and budget permits it...of course. the people i see saying shit like “people are idiots for not stocking up” are also idiots for simplistically forgetting the circumstances in which so many people live...for instance, how many people live paycheck to paycheck, had to wait to their biweekly direct deposit came in, when SO MUCH CHANGED IN THIS COUNTRY FROM MONDAY OF LAST WEEK TO SUNDAY OF LAST WEEK.
i'm fortunate...there’s a shit-ton of humility and old-school mentality in my family--i’m grateful to say--so that multiple generations live under one roof, and it’s quite symbiotic right now.
all of that said, i’m going to go ahead and repeat what i shared in the “Last Thing You Bought” thread because i think it's important to stress in this country right now how your first line of defense is simply you--just added a Bushnell TRS-25 red-dot to my Palmetto State Armory AKV chambered in 9mm:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4eC6zn3e6gc/Xmv5gY2_FtI/AAAAAAAAB7c/bjZHwCP_iNQI0oGJwCR55aRGOtMkwnnpwCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/IMG_20200313_171925.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j9P7NwGW8vA/Xdf_XSydubI/AAAAAAAAB5s/NCqC-Mkq_FMH_kUFX0EZv8irMLh0Cc9cACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/PSA_AKV_9mm.jpg)
i don’t get the sense behind “preparing” for bad, large-scale fractures to occur in American society, and not having the resources to defend what you store, and those you hold dear--and in this latter category, i absolutely include friends and neighbors, and not just immediate family. there’s over 5,000 rounds of ammunition in our home, including 1000s of rounds 7.62x39, 1000s of rounds of 9mm, hundreds of round of that sweet Winchester “military grade” 00 buck, etc., all of which i hope and pray that i NEVER have to use in defense of what little me and mines have, but what i'm glad to say we have stored next to all kinds of canned foods nonetheless.
in my humble opinion, the only thing worse than not having guns if they are needed, is having them and not having enough ammo--other than lack of funds, i don't get owning weapons and not correspondingly storing ample amounts of ammo and magazines.
ok, good people, go ahead and "kook" away--today isn't bad here, i'm grateful to say...i've spent most of the day adjusting my syllabi to this new "remote" form of teaching, and i think i have Zoom down, which is how both universities i teach at want me to teach classes for the rest of the semester...
...i hope you are safe and well.
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I won’t kook but what’s the point of a 9mm AK? You don’t like stopping power or distance work? What keeps that dust cover secure (why not a side mount?)?
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what peeps need are 40lbs of dry beans, same with rice and lentils. maybe quinoa if you're not broke. a deuce deuce is good enough for squirrels and easy to acquire. Wool blankets and socks are clutch. they stay drier and warmer than any cotton or synthetic. Get a C crane too https://www.ccrane.com/ (https://www.ccrane.com/). pretty bitchin radios
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I won’t kook but what’s the point of a 9mm AK? You don’t like stopping power or distance work? What keeps that dust cover secure (why not a side mount?)?
solid questions--the main point is the stability and accuracy (within a certain range) that comes with the weight of an Ak receiver, without having to worry about shooting through walls and/or the neighbor's house. and on these AK pistol caliber carbines, the dust cover is super solid and mounted on a hinge to the front sight/gas block--Garand Thumb just reviewed it actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
there's a couple of AK rifles in 7.62 x 39 in the gun safe (a Century Arms and an Arsenal), but this is definitely more suited to home defense...plus, it's simply a blast to shoot at the range...
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That’s your “home defense?” My 870 Has something to say about that.
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Yeah, we're at that point where I'm just as much afraid of dipshits going into looting mode as I am of whatever the government will pull during a crisis like this.
Have lots and lots of booze tucked away (was my excuse to go buy another mixed case of various scotches I like, and Costco has those neat cheap boxed wines that the wife loves), about 60 gallons total of bottled water and various other beverages (mostly because I forgot to cancel the bottled water delivery and ended up with way too much), plenty of long-term storage food since I've been gradually grabbing more with each week this past 2 months since news broke, goggles and filtration masks as needed for venturing outside in the worst of times, fish antibiotics since you can buy OTC amoxicillin that way, general medical kit and various medicines/gear, a fair number of pistols and rifles with decent ammo reserves, crank radio that doesn't need batteries, solar chargers for devices, propane tabletop stove, paper products to last a few months, and the wife even found a way to get her hands on that malaria drug that they're saying is being used to treat COVID-19 with great effectiveness. And weed, lots and lots of weed.
I was hearing WAY too much about all of this starting early January, as as I followed people who were tracking the rapid increase in cases, all it took were those videos from early February of Chinese nationals being herded up and taken away due to being suspected of having the virus (likely never to return), and it became time to start gearing up for getting down.
My general rule was to focus on shit I'd put to use this year regardless of whether this blows over or not for most things, the anti-malaria drug and fish antibiotics aside, there's not much I have that can't be put to good use in due time, so I'm cool with that.
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This mass fear factor will change the world into a 'next stage' it feels like. This event permiates more than anything certainly in my 44 years.
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That’s your “home defense?” My 870 Has something to say about that.
hah, i get that, and there's a 590 variant in my gun safe as well (and lots of that Winchester, military-grade 12 gauge 00 buck stored)--they all have their applications and are fun (in their own way) to shoot at the range.
This mass fear factor will change the world into a 'next stage' it feels like. This event permiates more than anything certainly in my 44 years.
how many places and people live with a comparable (or more severe) "fear factor" consistently anyway? i do think this is going to be a kind of rude awakening for "developed" countries, and perhaps more than anywhere, the U.S., but i still have a lot of faith in people to do the right thing--it's going to take a lot to shake that...
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
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oi!
this is going to be tldr for people--i'm still going to share it...
...food, batteries, medical supplies, etc....shit’s just common sense to keep stocked and stored--fuck, providing one’s situation and budget permits it...of course. the people i see saying shit like “people are idiots for not stocking up” are also idiots for simplistically forgetting the circumstances in which so many people live...for instance, how many people live paycheck to paycheck, had to wait to their biweekly direct deposit came in, when SO MUCH CHANGED IN THIS COUNTRY FROM MONDAY OF LAST WEEK TO SUNDAY OF LAST WEEK.
i'm fortunate...there’s a shit-ton of humility and old-school mentality in my family--i’m grateful to say--so that multiple generations live under one roof, and it’s quite symbiotic right now.
all of that said, i’m going to go ahead and repeat what i shared in the “Last Thing You Bought” thread because i think it's important to stress in this country right now how your first line of defense is simply you--just added a Bushnell TRS-25 red-dot to my Palmetto State Armory AKV chambered in 9mm:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4eC6zn3e6gc/Xmv5gY2_FtI/AAAAAAAAB7c/bjZHwCP_iNQI0oGJwCR55aRGOtMkwnnpwCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/IMG_20200313_171925.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j9P7NwGW8vA/Xdf_XSydubI/AAAAAAAAB5s/NCqC-Mkq_FMH_kUFX0EZv8irMLh0Cc9cACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/PSA_AKV_9mm.jpg)
i don’t get the sense behind “preparing” for bad, large-scale fractures to occur in American society, and not having the resources to defend what you store, and those you hold dear--and in this latter category, i absolutely include friends and neighbors, and not just immediate family. there’s over 5,000 rounds of ammunition in our home, including 1000s of rounds 7.62x39, 1000s of rounds of 9mm, hundreds of round of that sweet Winchester “military grade” 00 buck, etc., all of which i hope and pray that i NEVER have to use in defense of what little me and mines have, but what i'm glad to say we have stored next to all kinds of canned foods nonetheless.
in my humble opinion, the only thing worse than not having guns if they are needed, is having them and not having enough ammo--other than lack of funds, i don't get owning weapons and not correspondingly storing ample amounts of ammo and magazines.
ok, good people, go ahead and "kook" away--today isn't bad here, i'm grateful to say...i've spent most of the day adjusting my syllabi to this new "remote" form of teaching, and i think i have Zoom down, which is how both universities i teach at want me to teach classes for the rest of the semester...
...i hope you are safe and well.
The multiple generation under one roof is a baaaad thing these days. You should isolate the elders.
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oi!
this is going to be tldr for people--i'm still going to share it...
...food, batteries, medical supplies, etc....shit’s just common sense to keep stocked and stored--fuck, providing one’s situation and budget permits it...of course. the people i see saying shit like “people are idiots for not stocking up” are also idiots for simplistically forgetting the circumstances in which so many people live...for instance, how many people live paycheck to paycheck, had to wait to their biweekly direct deposit came in, when SO MUCH CHANGED IN THIS COUNTRY FROM MONDAY OF LAST WEEK TO SUNDAY OF LAST WEEK.
i'm fortunate...there’s a shit-ton of humility and old-school mentality in my family--i’m grateful to say--so that multiple generations live under one roof, and it’s quite symbiotic right now.
all of that said, i’m going to go ahead and repeat what i shared in the “Last Thing You Bought” thread because i think it's important to stress in this country right now how your first line of defense is simply you--just added a Bushnell TRS-25 red-dot to my Palmetto State Armory AKV chambered in 9mm:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4eC6zn3e6gc/Xmv5gY2_FtI/AAAAAAAAB7c/bjZHwCP_iNQI0oGJwCR55aRGOtMkwnnpwCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/IMG_20200313_171925.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j9P7NwGW8vA/Xdf_XSydubI/AAAAAAAAB5s/NCqC-Mkq_FMH_kUFX0EZv8irMLh0Cc9cACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/PSA_AKV_9mm.jpg)
i don’t get the sense behind “preparing” for bad, large-scale fractures to occur in American society, and not having the resources to defend what you store, and those you hold dear--and in this latter category, i absolutely include friends and neighbors, and not just immediate family. there’s over 5,000 rounds of ammunition in our home, including 1000s of rounds 7.62x39, 1000s of rounds of 9mm, hundreds of round of that sweet Winchester “military grade” 00 buck, etc., all of which i hope and pray that i NEVER have to use in defense of what little me and mines have, but what i'm glad to say we have stored next to all kinds of canned foods nonetheless.
in my humble opinion, the only thing worse than not having guns if they are needed, is having them and not having enough ammo--other than lack of funds, i don't get owning weapons and not correspondingly storing ample amounts of ammo and magazines.
ok, good people, go ahead and "kook" away--today isn't bad here, i'm grateful to say...i've spent most of the day adjusting my syllabi to this new "remote" form of teaching, and i think i have Zoom down, which is how both universities i teach at want me to teach classes for the rest of the semester...
...i hope you are safe and well.
The multiple generation under one roof is a baaaad thing these days. You should isolate the elders.
i appreciate that, and we are all as cautious can be. we have one elder in the house--she is in her early 70s and in great health and shape (knock on wood).
we're fortunate, nobody really needs to leave the house often, and the cleaning/distancing rituals when coming back to the house are fairly rigorous when we do...doing everything we can...
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
Idk. Put it in a plastic bag or container to keep humidity away should do it. Plenty of rice in markets just sits out in barrels and the bags breathe?
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I won’t kook but what’s the point of a 9mm AK? You don’t like stopping power or distance work? What keeps that dust cover secure (why not a side mount?)?
solid questions--the main point is the stability and accuracy (within a certain range) that comes with the weight of an Ak receiver, without having to worry about shooting through walls and/or the neighbor's house. and on these AK pistol caliber carbines, the dust cover is super solid and mounted on a hinge to the front sight/gas block--Garand Thumb just reviewed it actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
there's a couple of AK rifles in 7.62 x 39 in the gun safe (a Century Arms and an Arsenal), but this is definitely more suited to home defense...plus, it's simply a blast to shoot at the range...
What!
Remind me what states allow full rock n roll? VA, WV, TX, AZ?
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Wonder what the street value of toilet paper will soon be?
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
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I won’t kook but what’s the point of a 9mm AK? You don’t like stopping power or distance work? What keeps that dust cover secure (why not a side mount?)?
solid questions--the main point is the stability and accuracy (within a certain range) that comes with the weight of an Ak receiver, without having to worry about shooting through walls and/or the neighbor's house. and on these AK pistol caliber carbines, the dust cover is super solid and mounted on a hinge to the front sight/gas block--Garand Thumb just reviewed it actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
there's a couple of AK rifles in 7.62 x 39 in the gun safe (a Century Arms and an Arsenal), but this is definitely more suited to home defense...plus, it's simply a blast to shoot at the range...
Remind me what states allow full rock n roll? VA, WV, TX, AZ?
hah, yeah, it's semi-auto--he's just doing that whole bump-fire thing with his trigger finger...which i'am actually ambivalent about, because under "normal" conditions that gives "gun control" people more fuel.
part of his review is how crisp and light the trigger is, and i guess that was his way of driving home the point...for good and ill...
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It's definitely a cool gun that looks like a blast to shoot. I just couldn't justify the cost. I bought one of these a couple of years ago, just to plink at the range.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/SMITH-WESSON-M-P-SPORT-RIMFIRE-RIFLE/2232661.uts
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
True but should be pretty dry when you get it. Ppl use it to dry out phones, right? We just leave the bag sitting on the floor until it's time to fill up the container thingie.
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Wonder what the street value of toilet paper will soon be?
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"You just scrape the mud off with ur shoe"
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
How about vacuum pump?
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
Sure. A lil overkill for a dry climate but might be good if humidity is really high.
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For keeping rice fresh couldn’t you use silica gel packets that come in beef jerky to keep out the moisture ?
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
No it doesnt. It comes it a sealed bag. It can absolutely and should be sealed and kept away from air and moisture. If concerned about keeping shit dry, look for food safe desiccant. You can keep it in the same area as the things that you're keeping for long term storage. It helps a lot.
Keepig white rice dry and away from light and heat, while sealed, is all you need to store it.
Freeze bags of rice when you get them for 4i hours. This will kill bugs in the rice. As well as eggs. I have found worms in bulk bags of rice after having them for a while without freezing. This rice was from costco too. Not some nasty as place. Freezing, while the bags are still totally sealed is fine for the rice.
Source: I have celiacs. Because of that I literally eat rice almost everyday in some capacity. I have been buying in bulk for years and have 100+ pounds of it at the moment
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
No it doesnt. It comes it a sealed bag. It can absolutely and should be sealed and kept away from air and moisture. If concerned about keeping shit dry, look for food safe desiccant. You can keep it in the same area as the things that you're keeping for long term storage. It helps a lot.
Keepig white rice dry and away from light and heat, while sealed, is all you need to store it.
Freeze bags of rice when you get them for 4i hours. This will kill bugs in the rice. As well as eggs. I have found worms in bulk bags of rice after having them for a while without freezing. This rice was from costco too. Not some nasty as place. Freezing, while the bags are still totally sealed is fine for the rice.
Source: I have celiacs. Because of that I literally eat rice almost everyday in some capacity. I have been buying in bulk for years and have 100+ pounds of it at the moment
oi!
i appreciate all of the suggestions y'all--especially for yours here drews...
...good to hear about the white and just keeping it dry, out of light and heat, because i think i'm going to break it up into five 5lb mylar bags...which is going to take me a minute...
...hope everybody's good...
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It's definitely a cool gun that looks like a blast to shoot. I just couldn't justify the cost. I bought one of these a couple of years ago, just to plink at the range.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/SMITH-WESSON-M-P-SPORT-RIMFIRE-RIFLE/2232661.uts
that brute looks fun to shoot as well...actually most of the serious shooter/preppers who i respect (i.e. older cats) all seem to agree that .22 LR is actually the overall best caliber to have in a shit situation--ease of storage, ease of shooting, etc...
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
No it doesnt. It comes it a sealed bag. It can absolutely and should be sealed and kept away from air and moisture. If concerned about keeping shit dry, look for food safe desiccant. You can keep it in the same area as the things that you're keeping for long term storage. It helps a lot.
Keepig white rice dry and away from light and heat, while sealed, is all you need to store it.
Freeze bags of rice when you get them for 4i hours. This will kill bugs in the rice. As well as eggs. I have found worms in bulk bags of rice after having them for a while without freezing. This rice was from costco too. Not some nasty as place. Freezing, while the bags are still totally sealed is fine for the rice.
Source: I have celiacs. Because of that I literally eat rice almost everyday in some capacity. I have been buying in bulk for years and have 100+ pounds of it at the moment
oi!
i appreciate all of the suggestions y'all--especially for yours here drews...
...good to hear about the white and just keeping it dry, out of light and heat, because i think i'm going to break it up into five 5lb mylar bags...which is going to take me a minute...
...hope everybody's good...
Good idea. Much easier to pace out. Just an fyi, white rice lasts longer than brown. Obviously brown is better but its not good for much longer than a year compared to white rice which can go for 2 or more when properly stored. For sure freeze it in its original bag if it'll fit. I've also stuffed rice in freezer bags when my initial bag is too big. You just have to make sure to let all the air out.
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I don't want to think about reality tbh
I've become a subject with bills... Just now moved into the city apartment with a soft/moldy ceiling in the bathroom and a stoner brother
Could prob use all my savings to get a g19..
Or trash around with hipoint
Fuck food and cold water. I need more money
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i just bought a righteous, 25-pound bag of rice, anybody have any suggestions for long-term storage of it?
I think rice needs to breathe. If you keep it in a sealed container it lets off moisture which then facilitates mold.
keep it in the bag u got it in
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I don't want to think about reality tbh
I've become a subject with bills... Just now moved into the city apartment with a soft/moldy ceiling in the bathroom and a stoner brother
Could prob use all my savings to get a g19..
Or trash around with hipoint
Fuck food and cold water. I need more money
Ruger makes a few pretty affordable 9mm. Much better than a hi point and only like $50 more. Taurus isn't bad though. Regardless, get some hollow points.
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this shit is a bit disconcerting and i know it's happening everywhere right now--a glut of inexperienced panicky new gun-owners...sweet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiZZJitkKvA&t=179s
your boy makes a lot of sense at times (he is a lawyer, so it has to be expected occasionally), and it's much easier to take him seriously since he parted ways with the NRA. either way, i'm not all worried about people being hypocrites and all of that, i'm just worried about a bunch frantic new gun-owners with no experience with operation, storage, and safety...
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That's the biggest issue is actually using them properly. Not paper target robots
I envy those who have access to private land for more legitimate training
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It's definitely a cool gun that looks like a blast to shoot. I just couldn't justify the cost. I bought one of these a couple of years ago, just to plink at the range.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/SMITH-WESSON-M-P-SPORT-RIMFIRE-RIFLE/2232661.uts
hey man, i thought about your post here, when i saw this this morning--i don't really share this dude's perspectives and politics, but i do check in for this kind of info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKKfBHIeuIc
hope all is well
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Reading this makes me very glad I don't live in the US. Things are going to get considerably worse from here on out. Try not to kill each other, pals.
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Reading this makes me very glad I don't live in the US. Things are going to get considerably worse from here on out. Try not to kill each other, pals.
you know, usually i wouldn’t really respond to this, because i get it...in general, people in the US are fucked--at least the mass of thoughtless American consumers who are strictly guided by appetites and insecurities only...nothing else. but it’s Sunday, and my syllabi are ready for the teaching online that i start tomorrow, and i think i’ve even got Zoom down, so...
...i'm sure from other places, it might seem like the US is more liable to experience this in a "considerably worse" way than other countries are, but talking about the US like it is one monolithic thing means you’re not going to have an accurate or realistic conversation. it's important to remember how varied and complex the US is geographically and demographically--urban centers, suburbs, exurbs, rural areas, etc.--and each will have its own ways of dealing with and reacting to whatever lies ahead. and in this regard, even with urban centers, NY is going to be one conversation and LA will be a whole other conversation, etc.
all of that being said--and me personally--yes, i was raised around guns, yes i have a gun safe full of "high capacity" rifles and handguns (and a shotgun), yes i have lots and lots of ammo and magazines stored...but no, in almost 50 years of life, despite all kinds of trifling things i've been through (growing up most of my life in the city of Detroit), i have never once even been close to reaching for a gun in defense, not even the handguns i'm legally licensed and trained to carry--i am of course grateful to say. same with everyone i grew up with, who are also armed "to the teeth." not an unstable or violently inclined person amongst us, friends, neighbors, and family... i'm a literature professor in the Humanities man...despite what it might look like, for all practical purposes i'm a pacifist...
...for every one unhinged, gun-owning, Trump-supporting wingnut babbling about "boogaloos" and shit here, there are dozens of us who by all means believe in at least aspiring to be comparatively armed to defend ourselves (plenty of criminals and all of the police have fully automatic weapons here) if god forbid the need should ever arise, but really just love to shoot and are tech nerds about the infinite varieties of calibers, configurations, and platforms of firearms.
as i posted above, the scary thing is all of the frantic assholes who are all of a sudden deciding they need guns here, who have never owned or shot one, and who know nothing about doing so, cleaning, storing, safety, etc...
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Reading this makes me very glad I don't live in the US. Things are going to get considerably worse from here on out. Try not to kill each other, pals.
Thank you Deputy Wendell for your well articulated response. I couldn't agree more.
you know, usually i wouldn’t really respond to this, because i get it...in general, people in the US are fucked--at least the mass of thoughtless American consumers who are strictly guided by appetites and insecurities only...nothing else. but it’s Sunday, and my syllabi are ready for the teaching online that i start tomorrow, and i think i’ve even got Zoom down, so...
...i'm sure from other places, it might seem like the US is more liable to experience this in a "considerably worse" way than other countries are, but talking about the US like it is one monolithic thing means you’re not going to have an accurate or realistic conversation. it's important to remember how varied and complex the US is geographically and demographically--urban centers, suburbs, exurbs, rural areas, etc.--and each will have its own ways of dealing with and reacting to whatever lies ahead. and in this regard, even with urban centers, NY is going to be one conversation and LA will be a whole other conversation, etc.
all of that being said--and me personally--yes, i was raised around guns, yes i have a gun safe full of "high capacity" rifles and handguns (and a shotgun), yes i have lots and lots of ammo and magazines stored...but no, in almost 50 years of life, despite all kinds of trifling things i've been through (growing up most of my life in the city of Detroit), i have never once even been close to reaching for a gun in defense, not even the handguns i'm legally licensed and trained to carry--i am of course grateful to say. same with everyone i grew up with, who are also armed "to the teeth." not an unstable or violently inclined person amongst us, friends, neighbors, and family... i'm a literature professor in the Humanities man...despite what it might look like, for all practical purposes i'm a pacifist...
...for every one unhinged, gun-owning, Trump-supporting wingnut babbling about "boogaloos" and shit here, there are dozens of us who by all means believe in at least aspiring to be comparatively armed to defend ourselves (plenty of criminals and all of the police have fully automatic weapons here) if god forbid the need should ever arise, but really just love to shoot and are tech nerds about the infinite varieties of calibers, configurations, and platforms of firearms.
as i posted above, the scary thing is all of the frantic assholes who are all of a sudden deciding they need guns here, who have never owned or shot one, and who know nothing about doing so, cleaning, storing, safety, etc...
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It's definitely a cool gun that looks like a blast to shoot. I just couldn't justify the cost. I bought one of these a couple of years ago, just to plink at the range.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/SMITH-WESSON-M-P-SPORT-RIMFIRE-RIFLE/2232661.uts
hey man, i thought about your post here, when i saw this this morning--i don't really share this dude's perspectives and politics, but i do check in for this kind of info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKKfBHIeuIc
hope all is well
I basically gave up shooting in 2008 when Obama panic buying started in earnest.
That is, one day you could buy 500 rounds of .22 for $18 and then it all dried up when it came back it was $50. Eventually it settled down around $30+ I think but I wasn’t made of money and honestly it didn’t seem worth it to me.
I wasn’t only shooting.22 of course but .22 made a range trip worth the effort - I’m not burning through 100 rounds of centerfire every trip. Also, it wasn’t like skating where I’d stop and get worse. You could also “train” effectively with a BB gun. I wish I could say nicer things about the people I met but aside from a few truly decent people, most folks at the range were perfectly nice to me but would say ugly shit on the regular so I did not miss that aspect.
I got into recurve archery instead because it was challenging and you could carry on for years with one sunk cost if you didn’t lose arrows.
I’m glad I still have some stuff for a “in case of fire break glass” scenario but I haven’t given much thought in firearms this crap.
Buy good shit, know how to use it, sight it in, forget it.
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Sat down with the missus today and worked out how we can utilize the garden to grow as much as possible. She's won some gardening awards to we've already got a bit going but I think it's time to step it up.
Went for a drive and got a heap of seeds and potting mix.
Been picking up non perishables every time we pass a supermarket, also matches as well.
Grabbed batteries for my radio, a new bike pump and a puncture repair kit.
We don't have access to guns over here but I got all my machete's, chains, pipes, crowbar, kosh and cutthroats out at the ready.
A mate joked about it going "Full Purge" at some point and while this was only a joke I do have a pretty intimidating creepy mask I'm keeping close by in case we get to a looting scenario (I figure a hooded dude in a white blood splattered mask carrying a machete is enough to keep people at bay).
Also I recently round out you can make basic disinfectant with lavender oil. water and a spray bottle if that helps.
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I was wondering where the room where Slap keeps the crazies locked up is. Looks like I found it.
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I was wondering where the room where Slap keeps the crazies locked up is. Looks like I found it.
Pretty sure all of Slap is that room.
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I was wondering where the room where Slap keeps the crazies locked up is. Looks like I found it.
Just don't come knockin' on my door when you run out of supplies! :)
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I'm good for 3 months, pa
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I'm good for 3 months, pa
Lol, pretty sure if you're stocked for 3 months that means you've prepped...
What do you call someone who has prepped?
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A preppy like Zack Morris- A.c. Slater
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A Preppy like Zack Morris- A.C. Slater
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dave dropping killer riff after killer riff... i feel like i am at a freakin megadeth concert
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Reading this makes me very glad I don't live in the US. Things are going to get considerably worse from here on out. Try not to kill each other, pals.
Thank you Deputy Wendell for your well articulated response. I couldn't agree more.
you know, usually i wouldn’t really respond to this, because i get it...in general, people in the US are fucked--at least the mass of thoughtless American consumers who are strictly guided by appetites and insecurities only...nothing else. but it’s Sunday, and my syllabi are ready for the teaching online that i start tomorrow, and i think i’ve even got Zoom down, so...
...i'm sure from other places, it might seem like the US is more liable to experience this in a "considerably worse" way than other countries are, but talking about the US like it is one monolithic thing means you’re not going to have an accurate or realistic conversation. it's important to remember how varied and complex the US is geographically and demographically--urban centers, suburbs, exurbs, rural areas, etc.--and each will have its own ways of dealing with and reacting to whatever lies ahead. and in this regard, even with urban centers, NY is going to be one conversation and LA will be a whole other conversation, etc.
all of that being said--and me personally--yes, i was raised around guns, yes i have a gun safe full of "high capacity" rifles and handguns (and a shotgun), yes i have lots and lots of ammo and magazines stored...but no, in almost 50 years of life, despite all kinds of trifling things i've been through (growing up most of my life in the city of Detroit), i have never once even been close to reaching for a gun in defense, not even the handguns i'm legally licensed and trained to carry--i am of course grateful to say. same with everyone i grew up with, who are also armed "to the teeth." not an unstable or violently inclined person amongst us, friends, neighbors, and family... i'm a literature professor in the Humanities man...despite what it might look like, for all practical purposes i'm a pacifist...
...for every one unhinged, gun-owning, Trump-supporting wingnut babbling about "boogaloos" and shit here, there are dozens of us who by all means believe in at least aspiring to be comparatively armed to defend ourselves (plenty of criminals and all of the police have fully automatic weapons here) if god forbid the need should ever arise, but really just love to shoot and are tech nerds about the infinite varieties of calibers, configurations, and platforms of firearms.
as i posted above, the scary thing is all of the frantic assholes who are all of a sudden deciding they need guns here, who have never owned or shot one, and who know nothing about doing so, cleaning, storing, safety, etc...
I lived in Texas for 5 years and have travelled coast to coast, so I can appreciate that not all Americans are the same. I've was also on my school shooting team, so I can understand how people might like guns.
I'd just rather not wait out a deadly pandemic surrounded by increasingly frightened and desperate people that are stocking up on hollow point ammo. I've got enough to worry about.
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Does anyone make their own beef jerky and have words of wisdom?
I was thinking about getting a dehydrator but most of the reviews I read online are 5 stars or 1 star for the same product.
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My wife has a whole barrel full of emergency stuff. Being able to make clean water is pretty high on the list of survival preparedness I believe.
The best way I know to be prepared is to watch movies like Mad Max, Book of Eli, and Six-string Samurai. Everything you need to know about dystopian society is in the movies. It’s like when you watch Kung Fu movies and are good at Kung Fu for a while.
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I live near a river and there are lots of deer nearby. The deer are so accustomed to people that I'm often pissing in my backyard with one watching me 10 feet away.
I specialize in non-lethal and close combat with a healthy collection of knives sharpened and scattered all over my house. I'm good at appearing harmless until I'm not.
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I learned pretty recently that a large contingent of Mormons are preppers. Probably influenced by an evangelical fear of the end of the world, but interesting none the less. I used to skate with this Mormon kid growing up and he had the most stacked pantry ever, because low key his parents were hoarding for the apocalypse.
I’ve got some shit prepped, basically go bags for the family and extraction plans coordinated with close friends, but it’s more so because of visiting with my family that had been in the Holocaust. Growing up, I would go to my great uncles house (z”l) and he had food and supplies hoarded everywhere. I remember asking him why, he said because he never wanted to be hungry or ill prepared again. He lived in fear for the rest of his life and it transferred over to all of us to one degree or another.
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Well, fires are popping up here and there, mostly small vegetation and structure fires, but those can spread and bam! SOL. Im not out in the hills anymore, so the likelihood of wildfires burning our home is less than in other places, but the smoke last year was the worst I've encountered on the north coast. In preparation all we can really so is make sure the Subaru is running well/reliably, paper things/documents/currency ready to go, few days food/water, and make sure highly combustible stuff is away from the main house. Its also a Tsunami zone, so knowing the local geography and how/where to go up mountain is pretty crucial too. We had a longstanding end times plan on a friends property way out in the country, but I'm not sire what's left after the last fires hit. Regardless, I'm endlessly grateful for the time I've spent forest dwelling and being broke. If it goes down, the best scavengers who can get away from the population centers will make out in the end.
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Pug, i wish i could help you on the jerky and the dehydrator--i've been a vegetarian for about 30 years (which i know is a luxury), but i was interested in dehydrators myself...still a lot i could do with them and i would dig some suggestions anyone has also.
since this thread got bumped, i'll mention two different investments i've been considering lately, to see if anyone has any experience with either, one kind of expensive, one not so expensive, but both with long-ass shelf-lives, which is important.
first, i've been researching and seriously consider investing in legit gas-masks for me and mine, and MIRA seems to be universally regarded as the best. but they do get expensive, especially when you start talking about even a modest stock of back-up filters, but the filters do have a 20-year shelf-life:
https://www.mirasafety.com/collections/frontpage/products/cm-6m-tactical-gas-mask?variant=32275152535603
https://www.mirasafety.com/collections/frontpage/products/cbrn-40mm-gas-mask-filter-nbc-77-sof
obviously one hopes they would never need to use these, but the applications are pretty broad--i do live within 20 to 30 miles of a nuclear power plant, which has always seemed sketchy as hell to me.
the other thing i've been considering, is at least a modest stock of MREs (vegetarian of course), which also have pretty incredible stock-lives. here's one i was looking at although it's out of stock right now:
https://theepicenter.com/mre-star-meal-case-vegetarian-menu.html
by the way, coming back to the ammo conversation above, supplies seem to be edging back towards being stable, but prices are still pretty crazy. a couple of old friends and i who i go to ranges with pretty consistently have been going in on these 1000-count loose-packs of 9mm CCI Blazer brass (115 grain) from Natchez together, which has been consistently .55 cents a round, and just went up recently. still, some of the best fmj 9mm ammo i've shot and about as reasonably priced as any lately:
https://www.natchezss.com/cci-blazer-brass-handgun-ammunition-9mm-luger-115-gr-fmj-1145-fps-1000-ct-loose-pack.html
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Pug, i wish i could help you on the jerky and the dehydrator--i've been a vegetarian for about 30 years (which i know is a luxury), but i was interested in dehydrators myself...still a lot i could do with them and i would dig some suggestions anyone has also.
since this thread got bumped, i'll mention two different investments i've been considering lately, to see if anyone has any experience with either, one kind of expensive, one not so expensive, but both with long-ass shelf-lives, which is important.
first, i've been researching and seriously consider investing in legit gas-masks for me and mine, and MIRA seems to be universally regarded as the best. but they do get expensive, especially when you start talking about even a modest stock of back-up filters, but the filters do have a 20-year shelf-life:
https://www.mirasafety.com/collections/frontpage/products/cm-6m-tactical-gas-mask?variant=32275152535603
https://www.mirasafety.com/collections/frontpage/products/cbrn-40mm-gas-mask-filter-nbc-77-sof
obviously one hopes they would never need to use these, but the applications are pretty broad--i do live within 20 to 30 miles of a nuclear power plant, which has always seemed sketchy as hell to me.
the other thing i've been considering, is at least a modest stock of MREs (vegetarian of course), which also have pretty incredible stock-lives. here's one i was looking at although it's out of stock right now:
https://theepicenter.com/mre-star-meal-case-vegetarian-menu.html
by the way, coming back to the ammo conversation above, supplies seem to be edging back towards being stable, but prices are still pretty crazy. a couple of old friends and i who i go to ranges with pretty consistently have been going in on these 1000-count loose-packs of 9mm CCI Blazer brass (115 grain) from Natchez together, which has been consistently .55 cents a round, and just went up recently. still, some of the best fmj 9mm ammo i've shot and about as reasonably priced as any lately:
https://www.natchezss.com/cci-blazer-brass-handgun-ammunition-9mm-luger-115-gr-fmj-1145-fps-1000-ct-loose-pack.html
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There's ammo around again but people are paying crazy prices. The ammo makers aren't going to lower any time soon either. Its mostly a pandemic based price gouging, speculative, capitalist free for all. I'm glad to have been able to source ample ammo between 18-30cpr. I hear tell of 50rd 9mm going for upwards of $40-50. That's crazy shit. .55cpr is $5+ to play with a 10rd mag. Even at 30cpr its too much. Grateful for my p22s and old ass 22lr bricks for plinking around.
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Does anyone make their own beef jerky and have words of wisdom?
I was thinking about getting a dehydrator but most of the reviews I read online are 5 stars or 1 star for the same product.
I’ve made my own jerky for quite a while with one of the Nesco 4 tray round dehydrators that run about $60 new and they work great. I buy a cheap cut of steak, tenderize it a bit and marinate it in some teriyaki or something for a day or so, maybe a dry rub. It’s a bit of a process and requires some patience, trial and error, etc.. but if you find a good process and seasonings with flavors that come through, you’ll end up with jerky you’ll like better than the Name brand store bought stuff out there and it ends up costing way less.
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
I did not have the intention of being smug when I said that I don’t see a logical path for society to be upended. I meant following my logic from my personal experiences. Logic and reason are not objective so I am not saying my logical process is better than someone else’s. I was genuinely asking what other people’s drive is to prep for something like that out of very real curiosity. If someone is willing to spend large sums of money for months worth of non-perishable foods and ammunition, there has to be a possible outcome where they see that being necessary. I was just asking for an explanation on what that would look like.
My only reason for explaining why I currently do not see it as necessary was to potentially have someone answer to those thoughts. I have lived in Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, Maryland, Utah, and New York so I am aware of how vastly different Americans can be even within the same city. I also don’t think guns are bad. Shooting for sport is fun and I don’t think people are weird for enjoying that or needing out about it.
I also do prep myself to some extent. I backpack so I have a good water filtration system. I have a handy grab and go first aid kit and I keep a small store of food in case there is any natural disaster.
Lebanon was in pretty intense civil war for 25 years but hotels and super markets still ran normally. Even in Cambodia when it wasn’t clear that there was any government at all during the Khmer Rouge, communities still formed little mini governments with markets and policing. From what I have seen, people really want to work together and live normally even during war or hardship. It’s very much in our nature so I was just wondering what would break that down. I’m not asking that to be a dick, I genuinely want to know. I fully except that there may be a reason that I don’t know and I don’t think I’m smarter than someone else. The closest thing I can imagine would be like full on nuclear fallout but solely in my opinion, the areas that are not bombed would remain largely stable and people from bombed areas that survive would move into those areas. I think Mutual Assured Destruction makes nuclear war unlikely though. Governments seem to like to funnel money into poor countries and watch them fight it out instead of fighting on their own soil.
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I mostly agree with the above sentiment.
By all means, be prepared for a spasm of unrest or time of scarcity but anything beyond that (say you anticipate any situation that requires more then 1000 rounds) then you best learn to be entirely self sufficient off the land or at sea and be prepared to get yourself there and peace out from humanity at large.
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i have some cool stuff for camping... ::)
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No one mentioned toilet paper. I guess that kind of makes you not prepared. Amateurs.
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
But natural disasters happen everywhere. And many would say the last year was a good example of a natural disaster that was worth prepping for.
The fact that toilet paper was worth fighting over for so many people, reached hoarding levels and was even mentioned several times in this thread is pretty funny. You won't die if you don't have your paper squares to wipe lol.
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I like talking about it like hypotheticals and stuff but I reckon if stuff proper happened like mad max type stuff we’d all be fucked anyway there would be bandits and shit you wouldn’t wanna meet new people at all it would be savage as, fuck that
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I live near a river and there are lots of deer nearby. The deer are so accustomed to people that I'm often pissing in my backyard with one watching me 10 feet away.
I specialize in non-lethal and close combat with a healthy collection of knives sharpened and scattered all over my house. I'm good at appearing harmless until I'm not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk59imFr6yI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk59imFr6yI)
Don't mess with @layzieyez unless you want that smoke folks. If you're within 21' and hear him say, "Just hanging out." and he's in the jorts you better mind your P's and Q's. 8)
In regards to firearms, one thing that I encourage people (in America) to consider is human nature. Look at what people do on Black Friday for $5 dollar toasters or other things they want. Imagine what people will do for things they need for survival, like food and water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xL8rE9DT4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xL8rE9DT4g)
Access to water is actually the most important thing to consider in my opinion. I stocked up on waterbricks just in case. https://www.waterbrick.org/shop/ (https://www.waterbrick.org/shop/)
All of the shelf stable food I have requires hot water alone for cooking.
Because of this I wanted the ability to heat water in a worst case scenario, like if there is a power grid issue for an extended period of time.
https://4patriots.com/products/sun-kettle-solar-cooker?variant=23130116128853&AFID=ACQ_GO_SHP_SKT_Sr-11&utm_campaign=ACQ_GO_SHP_SKT_Sr-11&utm_medium=u&utm_term=cid-9521486856&utm_content=agid-94021099141_adid-421670863866&source=cid-9521486856_agid-94021099141_ad-421670863866_gclid-Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1CJtDsvQEt5VqIWwDq0H_HJ81UZfWNZfFFSCQX-nR6yrUsGNFn9orAaAoUaEALw_wcB&utm_source=youtube_gclid-Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1CJtDsvQEt5VqIWwDq0H_HJ81UZfWNZfFFSCQX-nR6yrUsGNFn9orAaAoUaEALw_wcB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1CJtDsvQEt5VqIWwDq0H_HJ81UZfWNZfFFSCQX-nR6yrUsGNFn9orAaAoUaEALw_wcB (https://4patriots.com/products/sun-kettle-solar-cooker?variant=23130116128853&AFID=ACQ_GO_SHP_SKT_Sr-11&utm_campaign=ACQ_GO_SHP_SKT_Sr-11&utm_medium=u&utm_term=cid-9521486856&utm_content=agid-94021099141_adid-421670863866&source=cid-9521486856_agid-94021099141_ad-421670863866_gclid-Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1CJtDsvQEt5VqIWwDq0H_HJ81UZfWNZfFFSCQX-nR6yrUsGNFn9orAaAoUaEALw_wcB&utm_source=youtube_gclid-Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1CJtDsvQEt5VqIWwDq0H_HJ81UZfWNZfFFSCQX-nR6yrUsGNFn9orAaAoUaEALw_wcB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1CJtDsvQEt5VqIWwDq0H_HJ81UZfWNZfFFSCQX-nR6yrUsGNFn9orAaAoUaEALw_wcB)
This is enough for me. I bought another one as a back up.
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I’m saving a vial for when it all goes down. I’ll trip my way through it all. No zombies gonna get me.
Why is the water on fire? The end is near
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN1U7zJjVc
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I live near a river and there are lots of deer nearby. The deer are so accustomed to people that I'm often pissing in my backyard with one watching me 10 feet away.
I specialize in non-lethal and close combat with a healthy collection of knives sharpened and scattered all over my house. I'm good at appearing harmless until I'm not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk59imFr6yI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk59imFr6yI)
Don't mess with @layzieyez unless you want that smoke folks. If you're within 21' and hear him say, "Just hanging out." and he's in the jorts you better mind your P's and Q's. 8)
Awesome vid had me laughing hard. Thanks for that.
If I have to, I'm willing to burn out someone's retinas with my high power green laser pens to render them practically blind before I quietly flank them like a velociraptor with one of these -
(https://quantakes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/kukri-machete-1.jpg)
You can practically decapitate someone with these quite easily because of the weight on the blade end.
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That’s crazy man
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Here's a couple of names to start you on your search for knife and self defense competency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZCFtR61AQ
My other favorite knife is the karambit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karambit
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I’m saving a vial for when it all goes down. I’ll trip my way through it all. No zombies gonna get me.
Why is the water on fire? The end is near
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN1U7zJjVc
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I’m saving a vial for when it all goes down. I’ll trip my way through it all. No zombies gonna get me.
Why is the water on fire? The end is near
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN1U7zJjVc
fuck
Fires in the hills. Fires in the sea. Tee hee hee.
Seriously, fire is scary as can be. There have been a few small ones popping up all around me lately. Always waiting for that small one to get out of control. And we've got dipshits firing off fireworks tonight...
Ffwiw, there are a significant amount of fire/climate refugees all over the west coast. Its bleak. It won't be as smooth a way of living at first, but I've got to get myself back to Vermont. But then its Lyme's I've gotta look out for. :-\
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
I did not have the intention of being smug when I said that I don’t see a logical path for society to be upended. I meant following my logic from my personal experiences. Logic and reason are not objective so I am not saying my logical process is better than someone else’s. I was genuinely asking what other people’s drive is to prep for something like that out of very real curiosity. If someone is willing to spend large sums of money for months worth of non-perishable foods and ammunition, there has to be a possible outcome where they see that being necessary. I was just asking for an explanation on what that would look like.
My only reason for explaining why I currently do not see it as necessary was to potentially have someone answer to those thoughts. I have lived in Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, Maryland, Utah, and New York so I am aware of how vastly different Americans can be even within the same city. I also don’t think guns are bad. Shooting for sport is fun and I don’t think people are weird for enjoying that or needing out about it.
I also do prep myself to some extent. I backpack so I have a good water filtration system. I have a handy grab and go first aid kit and I keep a small store of food in case there is any natural disaster.
Lebanon was in pretty intense civil war for 25 years but hotels and super markets still ran normally. Even in Cambodia when it wasn’t clear that there was any government at all during the Khmer Rouge, communities still formed little mini governments with markets and policing. From what I have seen, people really want to work together and live normally even during war or hardship. It’s very much in our nature so I was just wondering what would break that down. I’m not asking that to be a dick, I genuinely want to know. I fully except that there may be a reason that I don’t know and I don’t think I’m smarter than someone else. The closest thing I can imagine would be like full on nuclear fallout but solely in my opinion, the areas that are not bombed would remain largely stable and people from bombed areas that survive would move into those areas. I think Mutual Assured Destruction makes nuclear war unlikely though. Governments seem to like to funnel money into poor countries and watch them fight it out instead of fighting on their own soil.
Yeah I'm interested too what possible expected outcome could happen.
Especially needing that quite frankly insane amount of guns and ammo.
Some of those guns are seriously nuts.
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These are pretty much my thoughts/questions on the subject. Good post.
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
I did not have the intention of being smug when I said that I don’t see a logical path for society to be upended. I meant following my logic from my personal experiences. Logic and reason are not objective so I am not saying my logical process is better than someone else’s. I was genuinely asking what other people’s drive is to prep for something like that out of very real curiosity. If someone is willing to spend large sums of money for months worth of non-perishable foods and ammunition, there has to be a possible outcome where they see that being necessary. I was just asking for an explanation on what that would look like.
My only reason for explaining why I currently do not see it as necessary was to potentially have someone answer to those thoughts. I have lived in Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, Maryland, Utah, and New York so I am aware of how vastly different Americans can be even within the same city. I also don’t think guns are bad. Shooting for sport is fun and I don’t think people are weird for enjoying that or needing out about it.
I also do prep myself to some extent. I backpack so I have a good water filtration system. I have a handy grab and go first aid kit and I keep a small store of food in case there is any natural disaster.
Lebanon was in pretty intense civil war for 25 years but hotels and super markets still ran normally. Even in Cambodia when it wasn’t clear that there was any government at all during the Khmer Rouge, communities still formed little mini governments with markets and policing. From what I have seen, people really want to work together and live normally even during war or hardship. It’s very much in our nature so I was just wondering what would break that down. I’m not asking that to be a dick, I genuinely want to know. I fully except that there may be a reason that I don’t know and I don’t think I’m smarter than someone else. The closest thing I can imagine would be like full on nuclear fallout but solely in my opinion, the areas that are not bombed would remain largely stable and people from bombed areas that survive would move into those areas. I think Mutual Assured Destruction makes nuclear war unlikely though. Governments seem to like to funnel money into poor countries and watch them fight it out instead of fighting on their own soil.
regarding "what would break that down"...are you serious? well shit man, first thing that comes to mind is when there's only 6 of the hottest new video game at WalMart on "black Friday." but if that doesn't do it for you, how about the acute poverty and desperation, like we see in most big cities right now, for instance back here in Detroit...of course, the parts of the cities that aren't heavily policed and gentrified, right?
ok, i'm not trying to become the spokesperson for "prepping" in this, but since this thread has began, people have discussed everything from MREs to IFAKs, guns and ammunition to dehydrated food, MIRA gas masks to storing rice, etc.
so, aspiring to be as logical as Eggie is, what specifically out of all of the things are you fine people curious about? most things have specific applications, and when people purchase them and store them they have various scenarios in mind in some cases, and specific ones for others. for instance, i mentioned looking into MIRA gas masks and filters, and--of course, if you actually read my post--i mention being within 20 to 30 miles of a nuclear power plant. in addition to that, i can say, that in the near 50 years my family has lived in this home, we've been evacuated twice, and the last time was for a chemical spill.
but as predictable as people are in here, i assume that this all boils down to guns and ammo. Richard says, "Some of those guns are seriously nuts," and i'd love to know what this means...what exactly does "nuts" mean and what are your criteria for deciding one gun is "nuts" and one gun is--one guesses--acceptable?
my ammo surplus is actually at around 9,000 rounds total these days (for the various calibers in my gun safe), and one of the main reasons for this, is because i have the resources (including to store it long term in air-tight ammo cans), and my friends and family and i shoot together regularly and--luckily--we all started purchasing it up and storing it way before ammo prices doubled, trebled, and beyond in the past year or so. but i still assume that's not what people are looking for, so if you want to have some picture regarding why i feel the need to be armed to this degree, actually read above in the thread fellas...
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
I did not have the intention of being smug when I said that I don’t see a logical path for society to be upended. I meant following my logic from my personal experiences. Logic and reason are not objective so I am not saying my logical process is better than someone else’s. I was genuinely asking what other people’s drive is to prep for something like that out of very real curiosity. If someone is willing to spend large sums of money for months worth of non-perishable foods and ammunition, there has to be a possible outcome where they see that being necessary. I was just asking for an explanation on what that would look like.
My only reason for explaining why I currently do not see it as necessary was to potentially have someone answer to those thoughts. I have lived in Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, Maryland, Utah, and New York so I am aware of how vastly different Americans can be even within the same city. I also don’t think guns are bad. Shooting for sport is fun and I don’t think people are weird for enjoying that or needing out about it.
I also do prep myself to some extent. I backpack so I have a good water filtration system. I have a handy grab and go first aid kit and I keep a small store of food in case there is any natural disaster.
Lebanon was in pretty intense civil war for 25 years but hotels and super markets still ran normally. Even in Cambodia when it wasn’t clear that there was any government at all during the Khmer Rouge, communities still formed little mini governments with markets and policing. From what I have seen, people really want to work together and live normally even during war or hardship. It’s very much in our nature so I was just wondering what would break that down. I’m not asking that to be a dick, I genuinely want to know. I fully except that there may be a reason that I don’t know and I don’t think I’m smarter than someone else. The closest thing I can imagine would be like full on nuclear fallout but solely in my opinion, the areas that are not bombed would remain largely stable and people from bombed areas that survive would move into those areas. I think Mutual Assured Destruction makes nuclear war unlikely though. Governments seem to like to funnel money into poor countries and watch them fight it out instead of fighting on their own soil.
regarding "what would break that down"...are you serious? well shit man, first thing that comes to mind is when there's only 6 of the hottest new video game at WalMart on "black Friday." but if that doesn't do it for you, how about the acute poverty and desperation, like we see in most big cities right now, for instance back here in Detroit...of course, the parts of the cities that aren't heavily policed and gentrified, right?
ok, i'm not trying to become the spokesperson for "prepping" in this, but since this thread has began, people have discussed everything from MREs to IFAKs, guns and ammunition to dehydrated food, MIRA gas masks to storing rice, etc.
so, aspiring to be as logical as Eggie is, what specifically out of all of the things are you fine people curious about? most things have specific applications, and when people purchase them and store them they have various scenarios in mind in some cases, and specific ones for others. for instance, i mentioned looking into MIRA gas masks and filters, and--of course, if you actually read my post--i mention being within 20 to 30 miles of a nuclear power plant. in addition to that, i can say, that in the near 50 years my family has lived in this home, we've been evacuated twice, and the last time was for a chemical spill.
but as predictable as people are in here, i assume that this all boils down to guns and ammo. Richard says, "Some of those guns are seriously nuts," and i'd love to know what this means...what exactly does "nuts" mean and what are your criteria for deciding one gun is "nuts" and one gun is--one guesses--acceptable?
my ammo surplus is actually at around 9,000 rounds total these days (for the various calibers in my gun safe), and one of the main reasons for this, is because i have the resources (including to store it long term in air-tight ammo cans), and my friends and family and i shoot together regularly and--luckily--we all started purchasing it up and storing it way before ammo prices doubled, trebled, and beyond in the past year or so. but i still assume that's not what people are looking for, so if you want to have some picture regarding why i feel the need to be armed to this degree, actually read above in the thread fellas...
I mean nuts as in they seem to be OTT
But it's none of my business, if someone wants to prep for every possible outcome then so be it. I just don't see what possible scenario would justify having that arsenal.
I will say if I moved into a house and found out my neighbor had that kind of setup in his house it would make me uneasy.
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
I did not have the intention of being smug when I said that I don’t see a logical path for society to be upended. I meant following my logic from my personal experiences. Logic and reason are not objective so I am not saying my logical process is better than someone else’s. I was genuinely asking what other people’s drive is to prep for something like that out of very real curiosity. If someone is willing to spend large sums of money for months worth of non-perishable foods and ammunition, there has to be a possible outcome where they see that being necessary. I was just asking for an explanation on what that would look like.
My only reason for explaining why I currently do not see it as necessary was to potentially have someone answer to those thoughts. I have lived in Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, Maryland, Utah, and New York so I am aware of how vastly different Americans can be even within the same city. I also don’t think guns are bad. Shooting for sport is fun and I don’t think people are weird for enjoying that or needing out about it.
I also do prep myself to some extent. I backpack so I have a good water filtration system. I have a handy grab and go first aid kit and I keep a small store of food in case there is any natural disaster.
Lebanon was in pretty intense civil war for 25 years but hotels and super markets still ran normally. Even in Cambodia when it wasn’t clear that there was any government at all during the Khmer Rouge, communities still formed little mini governments with markets and policing. From what I have seen, people really want to work together and live normally even during war or hardship. It’s very much in our nature so I was just wondering what would break that down. I’m not asking that to be a dick, I genuinely want to know. I fully except that there may be a reason that I don’t know and I don’t think I’m smarter than someone else. The closest thing I can imagine would be like full on nuclear fallout but solely in my opinion, the areas that are not bombed would remain largely stable and people from bombed areas that survive would move into those areas. I think Mutual Assured Destruction makes nuclear war unlikely though. Governments seem to like to funnel money into poor countries and watch them fight it out instead of fighting on their own soil.
regarding "what would break that down"...are you serious? well shit man, first thing that comes to mind is when there's only 6 of the hottest new video game at WalMart on "black Friday." but if that doesn't do it for you, how about the acute poverty and desperation, like we see in most big cities right now, for instance back here in Detroit...of course, the parts of the cities that aren't heavily policed and gentrified, right?
ok, i'm not trying to become the spokesperson for "prepping" in this, but since this thread has began, people have discussed everything from MREs to IFAKs, guns and ammunition to dehydrated food, MIRA gas masks to storing rice, etc.
so, aspiring to be as logical as Eggie is, what specifically out of all of the things are you fine people curious about? most things have specific applications, and when people purchase them and store them they have various scenarios in mind in some cases, and specific ones for others. for instance, i mentioned looking into MIRA gas masks and filters, and--of course, if you actually read my post--i mention being within 20 to 30 miles of a nuclear power plant. in addition to that, i can say, that in the near 50 years my family has lived in this home, we've been evacuated twice, and the last time was for a chemical spill.
but as predictable as people are in here, i assume that this all boils down to guns and ammo. Richard says, "Some of those guns are seriously nuts," and i'd love to know what this means...what exactly does "nuts" mean and what are your criteria for deciding one gun is "nuts" and one gun is--one guesses--acceptable?
my ammo surplus is actually at around 9,000 rounds total these days (for the various calibers in my gun safe), and one of the main reasons for this, is because i have the resources (including to store it long term in air-tight ammo cans), and my friends and family and i shoot together regularly and--luckily--we all started purchasing it up and storing it way before ammo prices doubled, trebled, and beyond in the past year or so. but i still assume that's not what people are looking for, so if you want to have some picture regarding why i feel the need to be armed to this degree, actually read above in the thread fellas...
I mean nuts as in they seem to be OTT
But it's none of my business, if someone wants to prep for every possible outcome then so be it. I just don't see what possible scenario would justify having that arsenal.
I will say if I moved into a house and found out my neighbor had that kind of setup in his house it would make me uneasy.
really? interesting, but fair enough, we all have our own lives and experiences that form our perspectives. for me, most of my neighbors are responsible people, with gun safes, etc., and i trust most of my neighbors and the families around me, who are hard-working, and look out for one another, and most of them have CPLs, which you can not get if you have any kind of record. that being said, there's no reason you should know what your neighbor possesses anyway, unless you're tight enough with them to know this kind of info.
yeah, regarding certain firearms being "OTT," and others not, i guess that's just something we can agree to disagree about. there still aren't any fully automatic weapons anywhere around me or anyone i know, unlike the criminalized desperate people some of us are in closer proximity to on the daily than others, and of course, unlike that state in its various forms...and being in Michigan, unfortunately we're surrounded by plenty of Trump-loving far-right militia wingnuts. when the FBI went to arrest the first asshole in the Whitmer kidnapping shitshow, it was in a Texas Roadhouse parking lot just a couple of miles from me, and there was a shootout right there in the fucking parking lot, and they had to shoot and kill that guy...just a couple of miles away...
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I understand prepping for a natural disaster if you live in tornado alley or some other area that is prone to wildfire, hurricane, earthquake, etc. but genuine question: what do other preppers think is going to happen? Like is it a Zombie Apocalypse or WWIII? Even if the internet goes out, it would be disorienting but I don’t think people would go out in the streets and start killing each other. Societal norms don’t break down that easily. Likely people would be compelled to work together if shit hit the fan because evolution has really drilled social interaction into our brains. I can’t think of a logical situation that would get society to a point where people are going every man for himself. It’s just so outside of our nature.
i really don't want to be a dick here, but your comment just radiates myopic privilege and although it's subtle, your smugness leaves a bad taste...but at least you're being "logical" bruh...the rest of us can only hope and aspire to be so logical.
first, are you going to try to act like the vast and varied social, economic, and geographic landscape of the US is some kind of monolithic thing that can be defined by and adheres to a single set of "Societal norms," and that even if one was to humor you in this, that these norms would "break down" in some uniform way in urban centers, versus inner-ring suburbs, versus affluent suburbs/exurbs, versus rural areas? which isn't even to get into the specifics of the wide variety of potential "disasters" that have occurred and could occur again.
so, in your life, you've never experienced desperate people on the street "going every man for himself"? must be nice.
finally, are you suggesting that some of us at least aspiring to be modestly prepared for completely feasible "disasters," somehow equates to us operating in a every-human-for-themself way? when/if things get bad in a certain place, won't people need resources in the first place, to share with others?
I did not have the intention of being smug when I said that I don’t see a logical path for society to be upended. I meant following my logic from my personal experiences. Logic and reason are not objective so I am not saying my logical process is better than someone else’s. I was genuinely asking what other people’s drive is to prep for something like that out of very real curiosity. If someone is willing to spend large sums of money for months worth of non-perishable foods and ammunition, there has to be a possible outcome where they see that being necessary. I was just asking for an explanation on what that would look like.
My only reason for explaining why I currently do not see it as necessary was to potentially have someone answer to those thoughts. I have lived in Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, Maryland, Utah, and New York so I am aware of how vastly different Americans can be even within the same city. I also don’t think guns are bad. Shooting for sport is fun and I don’t think people are weird for enjoying that or needing out about it.
I also do prep myself to some extent. I backpack so I have a good water filtration system. I have a handy grab and go first aid kit and I keep a small store of food in case there is any natural disaster.
Lebanon was in pretty intense civil war for 25 years but hotels and super markets still ran normally. Even in Cambodia when it wasn’t clear that there was any government at all during the Khmer Rouge, communities still formed little mini governments with markets and policing. From what I have seen, people really want to work together and live normally even during war or hardship. It’s very much in our nature so I was just wondering what would break that down. I’m not asking that to be a dick, I genuinely want to know. I fully except that there may be a reason that I don’t know and I don’t think I’m smarter than someone else. The closest thing I can imagine would be like full on nuclear fallout but solely in my opinion, the areas that are not bombed would remain largely stable and people from bombed areas that survive would move into those areas. I think Mutual Assured Destruction makes nuclear war unlikely though. Governments seem to like to funnel money into poor countries and watch them fight it out instead of fighting on their own soil.
regarding "what would break that down"...are you serious? well shit man, first thing that comes to mind is when there's only 6 of the hottest new video game at WalMart on "black Friday." but if that doesn't do it for you, how about the acute poverty and desperation, like we see in most big cities right now, for instance back here in Detroit...of course, the parts of the cities that aren't heavily policed and gentrified, right?
ok, i'm not trying to become the spokesperson for "prepping" in this, but since this thread has began, people have discussed everything from MREs to IFAKs, guns and ammunition to dehydrated food, MIRA gas masks to storing rice, etc.
so, aspiring to be as logical as Eggie is, what specifically out of all of the things are you fine people curious about? most things have specific applications, and when people purchase them and store them they have various scenarios in mind in some cases, and specific ones for others. for instance, i mentioned looking into MIRA gas masks and filters, and--of course, if you actually read my post--i mention being within 20 to 30 miles of a nuclear power plant. in addition to that, i can say, that in the near 50 years my family has lived in this home, we've been evacuated twice, and the last time was for a chemical spill.
but as predictable as people are in here, i assume that this all boils down to guns and ammo. Richard says, "Some of those guns are seriously nuts," and i'd love to know what this means...what exactly does "nuts" mean and what are your criteria for deciding one gun is "nuts" and one gun is--one guesses--acceptable?
my ammo surplus is actually at around 9,000 rounds total these days (for the various calibers in my gun safe), and one of the main reasons for this, is because i have the resources (including to store it long term in air-tight ammo cans), and my friends and family and i shoot together regularly and--luckily--we all started purchasing it up and storing it way before ammo prices doubled, trebled, and beyond in the past year or so. but i still assume that's not what people are looking for, so if you want to have some picture regarding why i feel the need to be armed to this degree, actually read above in the thread fellas...
I mean nuts as in they seem to be OTT
But it's none of my business, if someone wants to prep for every possible outcome then so be it. I just don't see what possible scenario would justify having that arsenal.
I will say if I moved into a house and found out my neighbor had that kind of setup in his house it would make me uneasy.
really? interesting, but fair enough, we all have our own lives and experiences that form our perspectives. for me, most of my neighbors are responsible people, with gun safes, etc., and i trust most of my neighbors and the families around me, who are hard-working, and look out for one another, and most of them have CPLs, which you can not get if you have any kind of record. that being said, there's no reason you should know what your neighbor possesses anyway, unless you're tight enough with them to know this kind of info.
yeah, regarding certain firearms being "OTT," and others not, i guess that's just something we can agree to disagree about. there still aren't any fully automatic weapons anywhere around me or anyone i know, unlike the criminalized desperate people some of us are in closer proximity to on the daily than others, and of course, unlike that state in its various forms...and being in Michigan, unfortunately we're surrounded by plenty of Trump-loving far-right militia wingnuts. when the FBI went to arrest the first asshole in the Whitmer kidnapping shitshow, it was in a Texas Roadhouse parking lot just a couple of miles from me, and there was a shootout right there in the fucking parking lot, and they had to shoot and kill that guy...just a couple of miles away...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NriOZ6ofj_Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NriOZ6ofj_Q)
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I suppose another way to explain why someone may want to have multiple guns and lots of ammunition directly ties to the 2000 rap anthem "EI" by Nelly.
In his song, Nelly states, and I quote,
"Uh I'm a sucka for corn rows and manicured toes, (hey)
Fendi capri pants and Parasucos, (alright)"
In essence, there are certain things that Nelly has a preference for. In this case, specific women’s hairstyles, grooming habits, and high-end clothing brands.
Regrettably, none of us are Nelly. :'(
And yet, we share one thing in common: we too have our own preferences.
Taking a look at some of the other threads that pertain to different hobbies, such as music equipment and board setups, we can readily identify that when people delve into certain hobbies that they big into have a deeper understanding of the equipment that is used in a particular hobby. For example, a skateboarder may have a quiver of various setups. Some different ways that these setups may vary from one another can include, but are not limited to: board size, board length, wheelbase, board shape, manufacturer or woodshop, graphic, trucks, wheel brand, wheel size, wheel shape, etc. Some people prefer a single board for all terrain, whereas other people prefer to have a “slappy board”, a “cruiser”, a “street board”, a “vert board”, etc.
A car aficionado may want to have a muscle car, a truck, an RV, etc.
(https://i.ibb.co/DrGL6MJ/satisfied-customer.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DrGL6MJ)
Caption: A satisfied customer
The individuals who possess an interest in firearms can find themselves in a similar type of a situation. Various types of guns exist which have specific applications. Similar to skateboarding, there are many different features of a gun that could be modified. For example, altering the components of a shotgun by changing the barrel can improve the performance for hunting with a specific type of shell. Some different “setups” could be: Handgun, revolver, rifle, shotgun, etc. As a person becomes more familiar with manufacturers, bullet types that they prefer, and aftermarket upgrades, l can imagine it is quite easy to amass a collection.
I only have 1 handgun right now, but I completely understand why someone could have many more.
In regard to the storage of ammunition, I think it is not very well known that ammo is quite easy to go through if you go to a shooting range. I could easily go through 150-200 rounds when I would go to the range by myself. If you go with multiple guns, it is easy to go through many more rounds as you can let one gun cool off while you shoot the others. Additionally, bullets/ammo can differ in terms of the “grain”, the tip type, and the shell type.
(https://i.ibb.co/Wp33bs8/Man-looking-depressed-while-sitting-alone-with-his-head-in-his-hand-on-his-living-room-sofa-at-home.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wp33bs8)
Caption: Man asks himself, "What am I doing with my life?"
I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but basically I keep water on hand and food because.... I am going to need it and use it anyway. Buying in bulk is cheaper and it never hurts to have extra in case things are not going well. I don't think it is crazy to imagine a scenario where a more potent virus comes along. If the death rate was 20% for people that are similar to myself, I would prefer to stay at home as much as possible when there was a high infection rate in my area.
But even when times are not bad, I still use the items in my collection. Beans, rice, pasta, canned food I can incorporate into my weekly food planning, cycling in new items to replenish used items so that I don't have to throw anything else.
(https://i.ibb.co/QK7v9tK/Texas-Roadhouse-oh-boy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QK7v9tK)
Caption: Texas Roadhouse, Oh boy!
To end with a brief illustration: Pugmaster visits Texas Roadhouse.
As the pandemic begins to come to an end, I decide that I want to treat myself out to a night on the town, and by town I mean Texas Roadhouse. I go alone, being that I have no wife, girlfriend, or any dating prospects whatsoever. I am looking forward to getting one of those waiting vibrators that they give you while they clear tables so that I can do one thing and one thing only: Eat as many salted peanuts as possible without upsetting others in the waiting area.
I arrive at 6:30 expecting a sizable dinner rush, only to find a mostly empty parking lot. I walk in and the hostess is able to seat me immediately. Thinking quickly on my feet, I tell her that I am a party of two and am going to wait for the other person. I reach into my pocket to retrieve a Ziplock seal top sandwhich bag. I fill my baggie halfway full with peanuts so that I may complete my primary objective: Eat those God Damn peanuts. After filling my bag, I let the hostess know that I am ready to be seated.
End scene.
In this example I came prepared with a baggie. I had it in case that I needed it, but it would have been just fine if I didn't require the baggie. I could definitely use it in the future for other snacks, sandwiches, extra screws that come with IKEA furniture, etc.
There is no way I am going to look like an idiot in the waiting area of Texas Roadhouse ever again. Not after last time.
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In regards to firearms, one thing that I encourage people (in America) to consider is human nature. Look at what people do on Black Friday for $5 dollar toasters or other things they want. Imagine what people will do for things they need for survival, like food and water.
This right here REALLY brought this whole thread home for me. People be nasty.
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I suppose another way to explain why someone may want to have multiple guns and lots of ammunition directly ties to the 2000 rap anthem "EI" by Nelly.
In his song, Nelly states, and I quote,
"Uh I'm a sucka for corn rows and manicured toes, (hey)
Fendi capri pants and Parasucos, (alright)"
In essence, there are certain things that Nelly has a preference for. In this case, specific women’s hairstyles, grooming habits, and high-end clothing brands.
Regrettably, none of us are Nelly. :'(
And yet, we share one thing in common: we too have our own preferences.
Taking a look at some of the other threads that pertain to different hobbies, such as music equipment and board setups, we can readily identify that when people delve into certain hobbies that they big into have a deeper understanding of the equipment that is used in a particular hobby. For example, a skateboarder may have a quiver of various setups. Some different ways that these setups may vary from one another can include, but are not limited to: board size, board length, wheelbase, board shape, manufacturer or woodshop, graphic, trucks, wheel brand, wheel size, wheel shape, etc. Some people prefer a single board for all terrain, whereas other people prefer to have a “slappy board”, a “cruiser”, a “street board”, a “vert board”, etc.
A car aficionado may want to have a muscle car, a truck, an RV, etc.
(https://i.ibb.co/DrGL6MJ/satisfied-customer.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DrGL6MJ)
Caption: A satisfied customer
The individuals who possess an interest in firearms can find themselves in a similar type of a situation. Various types of guns exist which have specific applications. Similar to skateboarding, there are many different features of a gun that could be modified. For example, altering the components of a shotgun by changing the barrel can improve the performance for hunting with a specific type of shell. Some different “setups” could be: Handgun, revolver, rifle, shotgun, etc. As a person becomes more familiar with manufacturers, bullet types that they prefer, and aftermarket upgrades, l can imagine it is quite easy to amass a collection.
I only have 1 handgun right now, but I completely understand why someone could have many more.
In regard to the storage of ammunition, I think it is not very well known that ammo is quite easy to go through if you go to a shooting range. I could easily go through 150-200 rounds when I would go to the range by myself. If you go with multiple guns, it is easy to go through many more rounds as you can let one gun cool off while you shoot the others. Additionally, bullets/ammo can differ in terms of the “grain”, the tip type, and the shell type.
(https://i.ibb.co/Wp33bs8/Man-looking-depressed-while-sitting-alone-with-his-head-in-his-hand-on-his-living-room-sofa-at-home.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wp33bs8)
Caption: Man asks himself, "What am I doing with my life?"
I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but basically I keep water on hand and food because.... I am going to need it and use it anyway. Buying in bulk is cheaper and it never hurts to have extra in case things are not going well. I don't think it is crazy to imagine a scenario where a more potent virus comes along. If the death rate was 20% for people that are similar to myself, I would prefer to stay at home as much as possible when there was a high infection rate in my area.
But even when times are not bad, I still use the items in my collection. Beans, rice, pasta, canned food I can incorporate into my weekly food planning, cycling in new items to replenish used items so that I don't have to throw anything else.
(https://i.ibb.co/QK7v9tK/Texas-Roadhouse-oh-boy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QK7v9tK)
Caption: Texas Roadhouse, Oh boy!
To end with a brief illustration: Pugmaster visits Texas Roadhouse.
As the pandemic begins to come to an end, I decide that I want to treat myself out to a night on the town, and by town I mean Texas Roadhouse. I go alone, being that I have no wife, girlfriend, or any dating prospects whatsoever. I am looking forward to getting one of those waiting vibrators that they give you while they clear tables so that I can do one thing and one thing only: Eat as many salted peanuts as possible without upsetting others in the waiting area.
I arrive at 6:30 expecting a sizable dinner rush, only to find a mostly empty parking lot. I walk in and the hostess is able to seat me immediately. Thinking quickly on my feet, I tell her that I am a party of two and am going to wait for the other person. I reach into my pocket to retrieve a Ziplock seal top sandwhich bag. I fill my baggie halfway full with peanuts so that I may complete my primary objective: Eat those God Damn peanuts. After filling my bag, I let the hostess know that I am ready to be seated.
End scene.
In this example I came prepared with a baggie. I had it in case that I needed it, but it would have been just fine if I didn't require the baggie. I could definitely use it in the future for other snacks, sandwiches, extra screws that come with IKEA furniture, etc.
There is no way I am going to look like an idiot in the waiting area of Texas Roadhouse ever again. Not after last time.
now this is a post, and a sobering warning to all of us, to never go without at least one reliable baggie (preferably zip-lock?) when traversing our "Empire Wilderness."
you are of course absolutely right above Pug, regarding simply being a "gun enthusiast," as it were, and the analogy with the kind of obsession and fanaticism that skating engenders is apt. i didn't really go there with it on this page, because i already mentioned that on an earlier page when i talked about how many of us really just love to shoot--for one reason, because it is as hard to consistently do effectively and accurately as learning tricks on a skate board can be--and we are tech nerds about the infinite varieties of calibers, configurations, and platforms of firearms. there is so much to know...
...but, that would have been turning this thread into another thread on guns, and there's another thread for that specifically. they have a place in this thread obviously, but they are but one element of the conversation, and although it's obvious that's really all a number of people in this thread care about, i'll save the nerd-out stuff for the "anybody shoot guns" thread.
far less "sexy," is putting together IFAKs, and learning to safely and correctly use things like chest seals, tourniquets, clotting agents, etc., which has been a big part of all of this. a number of my close friends really had my back last October when we lost my mom to COVID and i had COVID too, so i recently put together really solid IFAKs for all of them, to keep in their cars and homes, which does get expensive at points, but is something everyone should be able to agree is essential, even if you're not preparing for any one thing.
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i did not include the Benchmade Adamas fixed blade of course (or the ferro rod), but these are the epitome of practicality...
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In regards to firearms, one thing that I encourage people (in America) to consider is human nature. Look at what people do on Black Friday for $5 dollar toasters or other things they want. Imagine what people will do for things they need for survival, like food and water.
This right here REALLY brought this whole thread home for me. People be nasty.
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i came across this brand recently and figured i'd share a link
https://nutrientsurvival.com/
almost everything is vegetarian, has shelf-lives of 18 to 25 years, and from what i've read, it's all pretty tasty--seems like a promising alternative to MREs. i just ordered one of a bunch of different items to try it out...