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Title: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Jo El on November 27, 2018, 09:10:06 AM
https://abc7news.com/sf-security-guard-critically-hurt-in-attack/4768749/

This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (thatís us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dwyck on November 27, 2018, 09:12:19 AM
supreme should pay off the city with all that carlyle group money
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: calvinsdream on November 27, 2018, 09:15:29 AM
https://abc7news.com/sf-security-guard-critically-hurt-in-attack/4768749/

This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (thatís us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.

Yup, it's Thrasher and GX1000's fault. Pull your head out of your fucking ass long enough to focus.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dorothy Zbornak on November 27, 2018, 09:16:59 AM
Moses Itkonen first showed me it was cool to threaten and beat security guards back in the Questionable video. Shit's lame but it's nothing new.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on November 27, 2018, 09:18:04 AM
cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SneakySecrets on November 27, 2018, 09:18:54 AM
Heard the police captain ordered a stop and frisk on anyone with cuffed pants.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: artskool on November 27, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
supreme should pay off the city with all that carlyle group money

Carlyle Group probably owns the security agency too. Playing both sides Bush style.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sharkin on November 27, 2018, 09:43:00 AM

Blaming this on GX is fucking stupid but it makes me wonder.. Does Thrasher owe?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GAY on November 27, 2018, 09:47:16 AM
Before GX, skaters NEVER before had done squabbled with security guards. SHAME ON YOU GX!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Ducky Fucky on November 27, 2018, 09:52:56 AM
They owe !
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Jo El on November 27, 2018, 09:58:23 AM
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: vancanman on November 27, 2018, 09:59:02 AM
cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.

Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like heís not a dumbass. Donít tell me heís an idiot savant.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sharkin on November 27, 2018, 10:05:45 AM
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.

GIP, just login with your regular account.. we know it's you
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: themanwhomakes on November 27, 2018, 10:06:53 AM
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.

He obviously didnt back lip into her as a malicious thing, he was trying to get his trick and she decided to stand there and get hit. Hoping Mike V can get back into this new skateboarding/WWE hybrid trend.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Fred Savage on November 27, 2018, 10:08:20 AM
Original poster is a poosey.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: FROTHY on November 27, 2018, 10:08:24 AM
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cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
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Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like heís not a dumbass. Donít tell me heís an idiot savant.

Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShredLaw on November 27, 2018, 10:08:59 AM
So whaaaaaat, one fucking guy got attacked. How many videos are there of cops taking little kids out and shit. Take one for the team Security. Its yo job
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shannamal on November 27, 2018, 10:10:49 AM
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cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
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Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like heís not a dumbass. Donít tell me heís an idiot savant.
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Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.

nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TheLurper on November 27, 2018, 10:26:07 AM
Ok, so I checked in with Pat Duffy and apparently this is a false flag.

Duffy explained that there was never a guard at this location, in-fact there isn't even a building at this location. This whole story was shot in a government studio with pro-vax spherical earther crisis actors. The whole operation was funded by Soros and Al-Qaeda to discredit the rebellious and free-thinking skateboard movement.

Jo El is actually Jose El Torro an illegal criminal immigrant terrorist rapist bent on destroying America and reclaiming California for Mexico.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Larry Sportello on November 27, 2018, 10:32:10 AM
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cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
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Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like heís not a dumbass. Donít tell me heís an idiot savant.
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Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.
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nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram

Say it ain't so...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TMKF on November 27, 2018, 10:35:46 AM
I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.

I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Uknowmyinsta on November 27, 2018, 10:39:49 AM
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?

This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while, and competition is fierce.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: vancanman on November 27, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
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cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
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Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like heís not a dumbass. Donít tell me heís an idiot savant.
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Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.
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nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram
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Say it ain't so...

I agree that skill doesnít correlate directly with intelligence or common sense but his skating is tasteful. He picks the right tricks for the right spots. It seems like he puts some thought into his skating. Maybe Iím just projecting.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on November 27, 2018, 10:42:25 AM
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cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
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Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like heís not a dumbass. Donít tell me heís an idiot savant.
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Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.
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nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram
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Say it ain't so...

i thought those transition lenses looked familiar. we meet again, ms. munoz!

(https://i.imgur.com/PuwWA76.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/ixfv5f.png)

c'mon Brad
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: bo golden on November 27, 2018, 10:46:26 AM
I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.

I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.

you should press charges for assault and then sue.  'merica!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DCLOVE on November 27, 2018, 10:55:06 AM
I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.

I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.

Honestly at that point itís self defense, you couldíve fought back. Should have at least sued for the damage to yourself and Lens as she assaulted you and if the companies big enough you couldíve made a killing. Good on you for putting principle first though.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on November 27, 2018, 10:59:42 AM
Let's not jump to conclusions either way.
Sucks the guard was injured and there's no place for violence in skating.
BUT we've all seen guards go above and beyond in a manner that could easily incite an incident.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Allen. on November 27, 2018, 11:00:49 AM
Puleo did this 20 years ago and now theyíre trying to monetize it?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 27, 2018, 11:07:36 AM
I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public  violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo.   Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TMKF on November 27, 2018, 11:09:54 AM
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I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.

I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.
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Honestly at that point itís self defense, you couldíve fought back. Should have at least sued for the damage to yourself and Lens as she assaulted you and if the companies big enough you couldíve made a killing. Good on you for putting principle first though.

Well my lens was ok, it didn't get damaged as it was an all metal lens from the 1980s. All I could think of was this psycho woman saying that I assaulted her first and the cops taking her word over mine and then being fucked so I just got out of there.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on November 27, 2018, 11:49:39 AM


Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color).
Not with the violent history of backlipping POC in this country
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on November 27, 2018, 12:04:07 PM
Life threatening injuries...and left unconscious...I really hope a skater didn't hit him in the head with their skateboard.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: botefdunn on November 27, 2018, 12:09:03 PM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?
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This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while, and competition is fierce.

gave me a good chuckle though. anyway, those old early nineties view counters were buggy as fuck, everybody knows that.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: woodinbrine on November 27, 2018, 12:37:32 PM
I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public  violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo.   Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.

Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tortfeasor on November 27, 2018, 12:58:40 PM
the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it.

what does that mean?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Sick Duck on November 27, 2018, 01:18:04 PM
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I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public  violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo.   Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.
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Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.
youíve obviously never seen commando
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: chipped tail on November 27, 2018, 01:24:31 PM
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I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public  violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo.   Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.
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Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.
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youíve obviously never seen commando
I like the part where Arnold scalps a guy with a saw blade thrown like a frisbee, and the chops of another dudes arm with a machete.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on November 27, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?
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This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while, and competition is fierce.

masterful trolling
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mattdlx on November 27, 2018, 01:39:15 PM
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I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public  violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo.   Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.
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Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.
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youíve obviously never seen commando
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I like the part where Arnold scalps a guy with a saw blade thrown like a frisbee, and the chops of another dudes arm with a machete.

https://motorhomerocks.bandcamp.com/album/commando-7 (https://motorhomerocks.bandcamp.com/album/commando-7)

(shameless plug)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fang on November 27, 2018, 04:10:14 PM
I blame Marilyn Manson and violent video games
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on November 27, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
I blame Marilyn Manson and violent video games

you should sue Judas Priest
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: JosephSmith on November 27, 2018, 05:45:52 PM
When I play the GX videos backwards, I feel the urge to commit acts of violence.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ManMelt on November 27, 2018, 05:53:48 PM
The Security Guardís middle initial is K, he smokes Kools, and he was eating a Kitkat. K=11, 11+11+11=33.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: andocom on November 27, 2018, 06:04:18 PM
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I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.

I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.
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Honestly at that point itís self defense, you couldíve fought back. Should have at least sued for the damage to yourself and Lens as she assaulted you and if the companies big enough you couldíve made a killing. Good on you for putting principle first though.
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Well my lens was ok, it didn't get damaged as it was an all metal lens from the 1980s. All I could think of was this psycho woman saying that I assaulted her first and the cops taking her word over mine and then being fucked so I just got out of there.

A wise move
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 27, 2018, 07:00:40 PM
most incidents with security have been pretty mature and civil "hey you cannot skate here sorry" and we'll bounce and come back later ... But there sometimes security personal think they can be assholes to young people

I had once incident where i was with a fellow SLAPPAL at the UC Berkeley campus - we were cruising around and a campus security came and attempted to kick us out. My friend knowing the rules, in a mature civil manner told her that we can freely roam the campus until midnight, she asked if we're students and my friend also told her that regardless of that the campus rules state anyone is allowed to be on the campus grounds til midnight. She coulda simply told us "please don't skate " rather than approach us with "your skateboarding now I'm kicking you out" ... fuck those kinda ppl who make things more difficult than they need to be

Ironically im now living in South China where the security and police are SUPER FUCKING RELAXED (we do get kicked out of spots unlike what the skate videos show)  and don't take the job so personal and aren't territorial like Western security personnel.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: WarmUpZone on November 27, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
I had once incident where i was with a fellow SLAPPAL at the UC Berkeley campus - we were cruising around and a campus security came and attempted to kick us out. My friend knowing the rules, in a mature civil manner told her that we can freely roam the campus until midnight, she asked if we're students and my friend also told her that regardless of that the campus rules state anyone is allowed to be on the campus grounds til midnight. She coulda simply told us "please don't skate " rather than approach us with "your skateboarding now I'm kicking you out" ... fuck those kinda ppl who make things more difficult than they need to be

As someone who has been kicked of of UC Berkeley campus many times for skating and has also gotten ticketed there, I can assure you that those are most likely UC Berkeley Police Officers and not security guards (same with BART). They have guns, can arrest you, and, like all cops, can do whatever they want more or less and there isn't much in the moment you can do about it.

I'm shocked they didn't respond well to your friend proclaiming he knew the rules. Cops usually respect stuff like that.

That being said, watch out, SF. All security and cops are going to way overreact to skating for a while.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billyerlife on November 27, 2018, 07:45:17 PM
So Nike makes the best shoe, we should give security guards the benefit of the doubt, and women skaters are still only relevant based on how attractive they are. Am I all caught up on my Slap bullshit now?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on November 27, 2018, 08:11:07 PM
Before GX, skaters NEVER before had done squabbled with security guards. SHAME ON YOU GX!
Before GX, you'd never see a "skater vs security" video on youtube. Terrible roll models
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on November 27, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
too thin
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShitNuts on November 27, 2018, 08:45:17 PM
I'm not watching anymore GX videos until they address this glaring issue and remove all anti security guard propaganda from their previous releases.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tzhangdox on November 27, 2018, 09:06:43 PM
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I had once incident where i was with a fellow SLAPPAL at the UC Berkeley campus - we were cruising around and a campus security came and attempted to kick us out. My friend knowing the rules, in a mature civil manner told her that we can freely roam the campus until midnight, she asked if we're students and my friend also told her that regardless of that the campus rules state anyone is allowed to be on the campus grounds til midnight. She coulda simply told us "please don't skate " rather than approach us with "your skateboarding now I'm kicking you out" ... fuck those kinda ppl who make things more difficult than they need to be
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As someone who has been kicked of of UC Berkeley campus many times for skating and has also gotten ticketed there, I can assure you that those are most likely UC Berkeley Police Officers and not security guards (same with BART). They have guns, can arrest you, and, like all cops, can do whatever they want more or less and there isn't much in the moment you can do about it.

I'm shocked they didn't respond well to your friend proclaiming he knew the rules. Cops usually respect stuff like that.

That being said, watch out, SF. All security and cops are going to way overreact to skating for a while.

UCPD is really hit or miss. Many of the younger officers don't care about skating at all, and only politely ask you to leave if they've been called. Some of the other officers seem to really enjoy going out of their way to give skaters a hard time. Tickets are rare but certainly are given out from time to time, especially if the cop had a bad day and you didn't treat them like royalty.

They do however seem to be prejudiced against non students despite there being no legal precedent. We've been caught skating the parking lots at night by UCPD, and the nicer cops will let us keep skating once they find out we are students (usually will insist of checking IDs because they never believe us). Seems kind of hypocritical for cops and security guards of all people to treat people differently based on their perceived level of education.

Anyway, this whole situation is fucked, wonder what the full story is.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RoaryMcTwang on November 28, 2018, 04:55:37 AM
Beating people up is not cool (duh), be they guards or skaters, although I'm pretty sure the guards do the vast majority of the beating. But it seems weird to blame the GX dudes for this specifically, they strike me as a rather respectful bunch, all things considered. The back lip to security guard was clearly an accident.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Allen. on November 28, 2018, 07:04:53 AM

How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?

Amount of views in 93 are directly correlated to pant size
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dorje Drolo on November 28, 2018, 07:59:46 AM
2018 = Threads being started on slap board to cry out injustice for over zealous security guards which we've all dealt with. You get what you give.......... Street Justice.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Shuh on November 28, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
So Nike makes the best shoe, we should give security guards the benefit of the doubt, and women skaters are still only relevant based on how attractive they are. Am I all caught up on my Slap bullshit now?

Hey.... Energy Drinks makes you skate handrails better.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Sanka Coffie on November 28, 2018, 09:39:18 AM
When I play the GX videos backwards, I feel the urge to commit acts of violence.

You're not alone, I too hate skating uphill.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pinky..Tus.. Cadero on November 28, 2018, 03:32:11 PM
If there isn't some detail like this guy slipped while chasing someone and hit his head, this is fucked.  When it goes from arguing over whether you should be kicked out to someone ending up in critical condition I think its fair to say this shit is stupid.  Try telling this persons family it was "street justice".   Or maybe I am wrong and that clip was gonna be fire and they would understand.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SubCurban Commando on November 28, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
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I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public  violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo.   Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.
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Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.
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youíve obviously never seen commando
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I like the part where Arnold scalps a guy with a saw blade thrown like a frisbee, and the chops of another dudes arm with a machete.

Stop getting Arnold wrong!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TD on November 29, 2018, 05:21:40 AM
The Security Guardís middle initial is K, he smokes Kools, and he was eating a Kitkat. K=11, 11+11+11=33.

33rd degree krooked grind
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on November 29, 2018, 05:32:51 AM
Some definitely glorify it. Those fucking hi-jinx kids or whoever suplexed that guy, few years ago those white kids beat down a black security guard at LOVE calling him the n word and such. GX are the shit but their early videos are full of blowing spots, fucking with security.

We just need a spotlight like Batman's of Vallely's helmet and he can come beat up the ones who deserve it
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on November 29, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
From my experience, at least 25% of security guards who have kicked me out of spots come at me in an aggressive manner. Sometimes I have had to fight them, even though I would have preferred not to. ITs difficult for me to assume that this guy was acting like an angel. If Iím wrong and the skaters did this unprovoked, then shame on them. I imagine there is more to this story though.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: lampshade on November 29, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
We were lucky.  Our city was kind of a progressive down hill with spots mixed in.  We had several spots where the guards would let a crew skate for about 10-15 minutes, then come out, give a nod, we'd give a nod and move on.  This happened for years. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dark Knight on November 29, 2018, 12:56:05 PM
6:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s

Itís this kind of shit that makes us look bad.  If you get kicked out just leave.  Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: taliban on November 29, 2018, 01:06:28 PM
All you have to do is not act like a bitchy child and then they get flustered and then you laugh at them.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on November 29, 2018, 01:14:02 PM
any volunteers to be the slap mole and get a similar thread going over on the security guard forum? i'm thinking maybe on the "line of duty injuries" board?

https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/ (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shredder sequel on November 29, 2018, 01:42:14 PM
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: morningcommute on November 29, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers

The gaurds can have a more well thought out discussion on a forum than the skaters.

Nak was acting like a bitch in that illegal civ footage.

Fuck LA brats
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sharkin on November 29, 2018, 01:56:21 PM
the irony of nakel yelling they don't know anything about life

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on November 29, 2018, 01:57:39 PM
I guess I'm middle of the road...I'm definitely not down with getting into some shit with them, but I'm also not trying to make friends with them either. I just leave.

Fairly recently a pedestrian tried to act like security and kick us out, we were nice, he was being a huge dick. I called him out for taking pictures and wearing sweatpants and he got super embarrassed, we laughed and skated off. Other than that I can't recall anything in years of something other than being asked to leave. I watch videos of skaters getting in crazy trouble and I'm just like what is the matter with you dumbfucks, how are you in so much trouble for skateboarding?! Dudes need to be quicker on their feet and more aware off their surroundings.

If you know the spot is a high bust factor a brilliant idea is to go skate somewhere else. Fuck the police means, I do not want them present in my life. Opposite of pursing authority and fucking with them. Some skaters are on a different tip I guess. Whatever, not my favorite way to spend a day or night street skating. I'm not impressed or find it "cute" because that's what it is, impressing the boys you're a tough guy, cute skater boi. lol
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on November 29, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
6:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s

Itís this kind of shit that makes us look bad.  If you get kicked out just leave.  Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.

Yo. Fuck Nak. Not fucking with him anymore. That was cringe beyond belief. Worse than his Mountain Dew hair color
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tortfeasor on November 29, 2018, 02:23:33 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s

Itís this kind of shit that makes us look bad.  If you get kicked out just leave.  Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
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Yo. Fuck Nak. Not fucking with him anymore. That was cringe beyond belief. Worse than his Mountain Dew hair color


oh relax. if being an annoying insecure 20 year old with bad fashion sense was a crime we all would be fucked. those people in the video probably laughed about it over dinner that night. he's got a lot of maturing to do but i wouldnt write him off over something this asinine.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on November 29, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
Is there a Gofundme for the security guard or does his job/health insurance cover him?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TheLurper on November 29, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
I can empathize with level headed security guards because they are just doing their job, but I can't stand those random ass civilian social justice warrior types, it's like mind your own business and go to the police academy if you want to patrol the city

I think you meant to say vigilante (a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority), which (often) has very little to do with social justice . Unless you are transitioning into a rant about how you don't like those who want to ensure individuals have equal rights and equal opportunities in society.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: boogs on November 29, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
6:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s

Itís this kind of shit that makes us look bad.  If you get kicked out just leave.  Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
suspect hairstyles all-around
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TheDraught on November 30, 2018, 05:33:38 AM
Skateboarding is so boring nowadays they need fights to get the clicks, views and likes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: MyUserName on November 30, 2018, 05:55:47 AM
In all my years skating I've never had a violent or even confrontational encounter with security, business owners, or police. Be respectful and leave if they ask.


The world is fucking gigantic, stop acting like the current spot you're skating is the only one on earth.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: JeremyScottofChapman on November 30, 2018, 06:22:25 AM
Are there any updates on the security guard? Any arrests made?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on November 30, 2018, 06:32:07 AM
Are there any updates on the security guard? Any arrests made?
Yeah, cops are looking for a teenager aged 16-18 in Dickies, CONS and a hoodie.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Stoop Kid 2.0 on November 30, 2018, 07:04:52 AM
In all my years skating I've never had a violent or even confrontational encounter with security, business owners, or police. Be respectful and leave if they ask.


The world is fucking gigantic, stop acting like the current spot you're skating is the only one on earth.

This. Just leave the spot. Thereís no point in arguing. Skateboarders generally think theyíre not doing anything, but technically depending on the trick itís destruction of property or trespassing. Iíve been a GC for about 4 years now and have seen the damage a skateboard can do. It can be very expensive to fix sometimes. Sometimes to fix the damage itís a certain type of paint, chipped granite, chipped concrete, and sometime you need a permit and reinspection on that shit. Skateboarders also forget that the security guard is just doing his job thatís putting food on his table and paying his bills. One security guards are absolute dicks, some civilian vigilantes are dick, many cops are dicks. Itís just easier to walk away instead of having a pointless argument.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on December 09, 2018, 08:44:28 PM
Today my friends and I were skating in the financial district in SF and a cop came up to us. He told us nobody wants us skating anywhere besides the skatepark (of course) and questioned us about whether or not we knew who committed the crime at black rock, and if we could be witnesses. They are still worried about this situation.

EDIT: I do not know who did it of course
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kid casserole on December 09, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
Puleo did this 20 years ago and now theyíre trying to monetize it?


Collect flattened cigarette cartons from the streets?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 09, 2018, 11:50:13 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s

Itís this kind of shit that makes us look bad.  If you get kicked out just leave.  Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
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suspect hairstyles all-around

yea that was pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: weon on December 10, 2018, 01:15:24 AM
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers

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From my law enforcement prospective (sic):
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then he says he hates skaters, but also went out of his way to get a skate park built in his city hahah
now im starting to wonder if all message boards are just as fun as SLAP
can't imagine the photoshop threads security officers got going on
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Donald Rump on December 12, 2018, 06:17:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s

Itís this kind of shit that makes us look bad.  If you get kicked out just leave.  Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
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Yo. Fuck Nak. Not fucking with him anymore. That was cringe beyond belief. Worse than his Mountain Dew hair color
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oh relax. if being an annoying insecure 20 year old with bad fashion sense was a crime we all would be fucked. those people in the video probably laughed about it over dinner that night. he's got a lot of maturing to do but i wouldnt write him off over something this asinine.

Nah he is a fucking dickhead for throwing a fake punch at the security guard looking dude but he was probably just hamming it up for atiba.

What a weird situation to witness with all the stupid clothes and carry on.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: calvinsdream on December 12, 2018, 06:55:32 AM
Could we start a go fund me for this dude to have a beer with the cop who got off for shoulder checking that kid in SF?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: themeangreen on December 12, 2018, 07:13:42 AM
Something seems odd with Danny Way being on Bams instagram so much this to a security guard with a head wound. Seems like Danny could be hiding something here....
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: chipped tail on December 12, 2018, 07:17:32 AM
Something seems odd with Danny Way being on Bams instagram so much this to a security guard with a head wound. Seems like Danny could be hiding something here....
???
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 12, 2018, 08:36:59 AM
Could we start a go fund me for this dude to have a beer with the cop who got off for shoulder checking that kid in SF?
They probably already play with each other through the gloryhole at the adult video store.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SepticTank on December 15, 2018, 08:24:55 PM
Update  :(

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shouldn't on December 15, 2018, 08:42:24 PM
Update  :(

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html
oh fuck, that's no good man. assault with a deadly weapon/premeditated murder are definitely not mellow charges obviously. also, with that first charge comes the assumption that he more than likely truck bashed the dude which is really fucked up. from getting your first thrasher cover/last trick in the craziest video of the year to most likely prison time in a matter of months... shit really went downhill quick for this guy.

(downhill pun just to kind of lighten the heaviness in here)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 15, 2018, 09:03:04 PM
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Update  :(

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html
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oh fuck, that's no good man. assault with a deadly weapon/premeditated murder are definitely not mellow charges obviously. also, with that first charge comes the assumption that he more than likely truck bashed the dude which is really fucked up. from getting your first thrasher cover/last trick in the craziest video of the year to most likely prison time in a matter of months... shit really went downhill quick for this guy.

(downhill pun just to kind of lighten the heaviness in here)

dammnnnnn those are three heavy charges...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on December 15, 2018, 09:09:40 PM
Fuck, major bummer.

"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.

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PC 245(a)(1) reads: "Any person who commits an assault upon the person of another with a deadly weapon or instrument other than a firearm shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years, or in a county jail for not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment."
https://www.shouselaw.com/assault-weapon.html

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Under Penal Code 664/187, California law defines "attempted murder" as when you (1) intend to kill someone and (2) take a "direct step" towards killing that person, but he or she does not die. "Attempted first-degree murder" carries a life sentence (with the possibility of parole, as determined by the California Board of Parole Hearings); otherwise the sentencing range is generally 5 to 9 years in state prison.
https://www.shouselaw.com/attempted-murder.html


Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sharkin on December 15, 2018, 09:19:25 PM
Damn. OP indirectly called it from the start with the gx1000 talk. And then everyone jumped to defending the GX crew saying thereís no way this could relate to one of them.
hey i think we can all agree this is more pizza skateboards fault than anything
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on December 15, 2018, 09:30:46 PM
What a bummer. He was an instant favorite after watching Roll Up. Hope the security guard is doing okay.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 15, 2018, 09:31:23 PM
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Update  :(

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html
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oh fuck, that's no good man. assault with a deadly weapon/premeditated murder are definitely not mellow charges obviously. also, with that first charge comes the assumption that he more than likely truck bashed the dude which is really fucked up. from getting your first thrasher cover/last trick in the craziest video of the year to most likely prison time in a matter of months... shit really went downhill quick for this guy.

(downhill pun just to kind of lighten the heaviness in here)
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dammnnnnn those are three heavy charges...

holy fuck that is a buck list of charges..
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on December 15, 2018, 09:35:16 PM
For what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Coolhats on December 15, 2018, 09:39:12 PM
For what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.

Yeah, that one is a definite stretch. Iíd like to assume that all of this is in some sort of self defense but I guess we wonít know until this all goes to trial.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on December 15, 2018, 09:46:56 PM
Sounds like jail time. Probably plead out to reduced sentence but doubt they drop those charges without witnesses. Bummer.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shouldn't on December 15, 2018, 09:47:52 PM
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For what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.
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Yeah, that one is a definite stretch. Iíd like to assume that all of this is in some sort of self defense but I guess we wonít know until this all goes to trial.
my question is this.. if he was charged with 'premeditated murder' then does that mean this dude is dead? can you get charged with murder if the person doesn't doesn't die? wouldn't it be 'aggravated assault' or 'attempted murder'? i hope the dude isn't dead but, that kind of makes me a bit nervous. also, the original link said he was in critical condition so... i don't wanna assume the worst but, it definitely makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on December 15, 2018, 09:52:02 PM
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For what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.
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Yeah, that one is a definite stretch. Iíd like to assume that all of this is in some sort of self defense but I guess we wonít know until this all goes to trial.
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my question is this.. if he was charged with 'premeditated murder' then does that mean this dude is dead? can you get charged with murder if the person doesn't doesn't die? wouldn't it be 'aggravated assault' or 'attempted murder'? i hope the dude isn't dead but, that kind of makes me a bit nervous. also, the original link said he was in critical condition so... i don't wanna assume the worst but, it definitely makes you wonder, doesn't it?
It's "Attempted Willful / Deliberate / Premeditated Murder," so the dude is still alive. It's a tough charge to make stick because you have to prove the defendant actually went to the location with the already-thought-out intent to murder. "Aggravated Assault" is usually an easier charge to make stick with similar penalties.

Not sure what the difference is between "Assault w/Deadly Weapon Or Assault w/Force Likely To Produce GBI" and "Assault w/Deadly Weapon Likely To Produce GBI," unless this dude is being charged with assaulting two different security guards... or is being charged for using his board and just his fists?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shannamal on December 15, 2018, 09:58:31 PM
i clicked on this thread thinking, goddamn, we're still talking about this? but these charges are uh....really bad
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on December 15, 2018, 10:02:46 PM
From SF Sheriff's department. No 664/187 listed as a charge.

(https://i.imgur.com/yR7nWz2.jpg)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on December 15, 2018, 10:03:41 PM
If the guard was put in critical condition due to an assault, these are charges that would reflect that. Circumstances still matter and they often overcharge in order to end up with lesser pleas. Really depends on how strong the case is. Be very surprised if it wasn't all captured on security video.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BayZ on December 15, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
Honestly this fucking sucks for everybody involved.. we play with a fucking wooden toy for fucks sake.. isn't this a little crazy for both sides? For us as skaters to get so upset that someone won't let us play on our wooden toy on their property, then to go as far as too almost ending someone's life is absolutely ridiculous. And for security guards to get so upset that they'll get into an altercation over a skater slightly fucking up someone else's property. I have sympathy for both people involved, I hope the security guard is okay and I hope that whoever did such a horrible act gets help. This sucks for skateboarders overall...This would be a great thing for Thrasher, Supreme, or Gx1000 to speak out against and raise awareness over, but they probably won't due to the fact their whole marketing strategy is glorifying this unneeded bullshit violence. I really have respect for all companies listed, but I do wish that our community could grow up and act like adults sometimes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: HisDudest on December 15, 2018, 10:17:59 PM
In all honesty he fuckin deserved it
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sphincterparty on December 15, 2018, 10:20:01 PM
well it definitely wasn't gx
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on December 15, 2018, 10:45:50 PM

"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.

True. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocent
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: wake and bacon on December 15, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
i could see that

shitty all around, if he did it, gotta pay for that level of completely unacceptable behavior
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ice nine on December 15, 2018, 11:55:02 PM
pizza has a rapist and possible murderer on their team. hardest team/modern day menace.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: C. R. E. A. M on December 16, 2018, 12:38:32 AM
100,000 bond is really low for those charges..that's a good sign meaning there over charging him now to plead out to lesser charge later.. He might get a year..drunk drivers only get 4 years for killing someone
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dernpop1 on December 16, 2018, 04:12:49 AM
100,000 bond is really low for those charges..that's a good sign meaning there over charging him now to plead out to lesser charge later.. He might get a year..drunk drivers only get 4 years for killing someone
  very true he will plead down to these charges but he's definitely going to do some time. Sucks to be him.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hevonen on December 16, 2018, 05:34:48 AM
Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 16, 2018, 05:41:41 AM
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"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.

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True. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocent
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
The security guard got beaten up on November 27, and this is from November 13. This is most likely from someone getting hurt. Thereís no blood on either truck.

Is there any proof that itís from beating the security guard and not some other incident?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Eds_gallerist on December 16, 2018, 06:03:42 AM
Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy

Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on December 16, 2018, 06:33:52 AM
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Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
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Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?

Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.

I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SonictheHedgehog on December 16, 2018, 07:42:58 AM
using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy

Yeah, that's seriously pushing it. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fongool on December 16, 2018, 08:11:37 AM
I wonder how they IDed him -- that initial news report implied the only lead they had was just "reports of skateboarders in the area". There's no doubt the whole thing was caught on the building's surveillance cameras but even I can barely tell the GX guys apart.

"Premeditated" will only stick if they can prove he came to the premises specifically to assault the guard.

Pretty dark situation all around.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: expired on December 16, 2018, 10:28:34 AM
Fuck this is a bummer for everyone involved. Hopefully this gets sorted out properly with the facts, rather then authority putting all the blame onto the skateboarder. Hope the security guard doesn't have any lasting damage.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Eds_gallerist on December 16, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
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Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
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Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?
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Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.

I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.

Ok, thanks tkp for clearing it up. So maybe we (as community) should wait before judging someone based on imagination. Hope the situation clears up soon,  I feel bad for both parties.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on December 16, 2018, 12:13:19 PM
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"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.

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True. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocent
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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The security guard got beaten up on November 27, and this is from November 13. This is most likely from someone getting hurt. Thereís no blood on either truck.

Is there any proof that itís from beating the security guard and not some other incident?
I didn't think about the dates, good catch. I knew it's not from that but I'm saying when investigating this case, it isn't good that this is one of the last things he's posted, even though it's from a completely different time. I'm on the side hoping Jesse is innocent. I've never met him but mutual friends of mine know him well and talk nothing but good about him
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on December 16, 2018, 12:14:33 PM
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"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.

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True. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocent
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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You really need to get your shit together - did make any effort to validate your crackpot theory before you posted this bullshit? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
Calm down Jesse I didn't say that's actual evidence. I'm on your side man
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on December 16, 2018, 12:40:42 PM
I'm curious as to how the SF police came to their conclusion. They have had facial recognition systems since 2010. Not to mention there are ways law enforcement can get their hands on cell phone location data for a particular area at a particular time.

Lots of cameras all over downtown = lots of eyes on you.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GollyIamGully on December 16, 2018, 12:58:56 PM
Damn. Time to get a real job.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 01:23:36 PM
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Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
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Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?
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Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.

I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.

I don't want to say you're wrong but I think you are over glorifying security guards as authoritarian figures. I wholeheartedly agree with you that cops often overstep their power especially dealing with POC who are being profiled/targeted. Sure some security guards act like assholes too but skateboarders willingly put themselves into these situations. So I can sometimes empathize with the frustration of being a security guard. Imagine being paid jackshit in one of the most expensive cities in the US to which you were priced out of. Then having to commute an hour or hour and a half to a low paying job just to kick out skateboarders off of private property. That would suck. I'm sure security could care less about skateboarding but the possibility of being reprimanded for not doing so, could put them at risk for losing their job.

So a skateboarder who feels entitled to skate on the premises refuses to leave and makes a low-wage earning security guard's job more frustrating? Seems lame to me.

Don't get me wrong. There was a time in my life where I would run around a security guard or beg just to get another try. Now I just have to let that shit go. Yes, to us skateboarders it is "just skateboarding" it isn't a big deal so we expect other people to not get worked up over it. But can't the same saying go both ways? It is after all "just skateboarding" and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If someone asks you to split, well then, on to the next spot, go grab a coffee, go to the park, go home and cry about it, go anywhere but there. Shit come back another day even. It's not worth stressing out someone who is literally just scraping by a measly living.

Sure I'll still  take a stab at a spot that say's "No Skateboarding" or one that has a security guard but if someone comes out and asks me to leave, I'll always politely say "yes" and go. No if's and or buts. That isn't because I feel obligated to treat them as an authority but because I understand they are doing a thankless, shitty, job.

I'm sure if you had an asshole come into your work and refuse to quite being an asshole you'd get up in arms about it too.

For posterity's sake, I hope that Jesse was acting in self-defense

Go ahead kook me for this but I'm sure a lot of older heads feel me on this.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GollyIamGully on December 16, 2018, 01:33:04 PM
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Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
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Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?
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Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.

I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.
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I don't want to say you're wrong but I think you are over glorifying security guards as authoritarian figures. I wholeheartedly agree with you that cops often overstep their power especially dealing with POC who are being profiled/targeted. Sure some security guards act like assholes too but skateboarders willingly put themselves into these situations. So I can sometimes empathize with the frustration of being a security guard. Imagine being paid jackshit in one of the most expensive cities in the US to which you were priced out of. Then having to commute an hour or hour and a half to a low paying job just to kick out skateboarders off of private property. That would suck. I'm sure security could care less about skateboarding but the possibility of being reprimanded for not doing so, could put them at risk for losing their job.

So a skateboarder who feels entitled to skate on the premises refuses to leave and makes a low-wage earning security guard's job more frustrating? Seems lame to me.

Don't get me wrong. There was a time in my life where I would run around a security guard or beg just to get another try. Now I just have to let that shit go. Yes, to us skateboarders it is "just skateboarding" it isn't a big deal so we expect other people to not get worked up over it. But can't the same saying go both ways? It is after all "just skateboarding" and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If someone asks you to split, well then, on to the next spot, go grab a coffee, go to the park, go home and cry about it, go anywhere but there. Shit come back another day even. It's not worth stressing out someone who is literally just scraping by a measly living.

Sure I'll still  take a stab at a spot that say's "No Skateboarding" or one that has a security guard but if someone comes out and asks me to leave, I'll always politely say "yes" and go. No if's and or buts. That isn't because I feel obligated to treat them as an authority but because I understand they are doing a thankless, shitty, job.

I'm sure if you had an asshole come into your work and refuse to quite being an asshole you'd get up in arms about it too.

For posterity's sake, I hope that Jesse was acting in self-defense

Go ahead kook me for this but I'm sure a lot of older heads feel me on this.


Seems a lot like they should get a better fucking job.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
^Easier said than done and congrats for living on easy street.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GollyIamGully on December 16, 2018, 02:07:05 PM
There are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Mobkickflipper on December 16, 2018, 02:08:15 PM


I don't want to say you're wrong but I think you are over glorifying security guards as authoritarian figures. I wholeheartedly agree with you that cops often overstep their power especially dealing with POC who are being profiled/targeted. Sure some security guards act like assholes too but skateboarders willingly put themselves into these situations. So I can sometimes empathize with the frustration of being a security guard. Imagine being paid jackshit in one of the most expensive cities in the US to which you were priced out of. Then having to commute an hour or hour and a half to a low paying job just to kick out skateboarders off of private property. That would suck. I'm sure security could care less about skateboarding but the possibility of being reprimanded for not doing so, could put them at risk for losing their job.

So a skateboarder who feels entitled to skate on the premises refuses to leave and makes a low-wage earning security guard's job more frustrating? Seems lame to me.

Don't get me wrong. There was a time in my life where I would run around a security guard or beg just to get another try. Now I just have to let that shit go. Yes, to us skateboarders it is "just skateboarding" it isn't a big deal so we expect other people to not get worked up over it. But can't the same saying go both ways? It is after all "just skateboarding" and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If someone asks you to split, well then, on to the next spot, go grab a coffee, go to the park, go home and cry about it, go anywhere but there. Shit come back another day even. It's not worth stressing out someone who is literally just scraping by a measly living.

Sure I'll still  take a stab at a spot that say's "No Skateboarding" or one that has a security guard but if someone comes out and asks me to leave, I'll always politely say "yes" and go. No if's and or buts. That isn't because I feel obligated to treat them as an authority but because I understand they are doing a thankless, shitty, job.

I'm sure if you had an asshole come into your work and refuse to quite being an asshole you'd get up in arms about it too.

For posterity's sake, I hope that Jesse was acting in self-defense

Go ahead kook me for this but I'm sure a lot of older heads feel me on this.

I can totally understand your point of view as something similar happened to me yesterday.
We were skating a ledge in front of a small complex of shops.
A security guard came to kick us out just because he was told to, he clearly said "Listen, I don't care at all if you skate here, but the shops owners are demanding that I kick you out as you disturb their customers. I don't mind you at all, but if I don't do it then they will ask someone else to do my job and I'll get fired. Please leave, otherwise I'll be forced to call the cops."
What should we do?
We just agreed and left, maybe we'll be back another time with another security guard, but I don't feel to act like an ass when someone explains his reasons and ask politely.
I understand more the point of view of someone who as a job at stake, a thing that in my 20s I just couldn't grasp.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: eight two fives on December 16, 2018, 04:03:25 PM
There are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.
You mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Whoís the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 16, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
Damn. Time to get a real job.
I talked to an Allied Security person and they supposedly get paid almost double of whatever minimum wage is. Plus, they get paid weekly, and you only get drug tested once. Apparently, the synthetic piss from smoke shops works.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
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I talked to an Allied Security person and they supposedly get paid almost double of whatever minimum wage is. Plus, they get paid weekly, and you only get drug tested once. Apparently, the synthetic piss from smoke shops works.

Yay....oh' yes sign me up! Double the federal minimum wage! I can surely live a great life and let people walk all over me.  ::)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GollyIamGully on December 16, 2018, 04:54:39 PM
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You mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Whoís the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.

A 3 stair? I dont know who you think I am, but I'm not pro. Seriously though, shooing people away for rich people is the job of a cunt. Its the grown up equivalent of wanting to be hall monitor. Sorry if it bothers you.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Kill_Yourself_Now on December 16, 2018, 05:18:07 PM
It's all fun and games when it's just talking shit about skateboarding, but in this case, you are fucking with someone's life. Someone who doesn't skate Googles the incident and sees that post out of context and might be dumb enough to believe that clip really shows the aftermath of someone being attacked with a skateboard.

I know I'm new here, but can someone clarify where SLAP draws lines?  Seems that sometimes it's okay to post 20 page threads with wild accusations and speculations that could fuck up someone's life or career but other times it's not.  It's all so confusing.  There needs to be a rulebook.

(https://sharemylesson.com/sites/default/files/styles/lesson_lead_image/public/lesson_image/boy-confused-and-pulling-hair-reading-test-question-paper-clipart-1161.jpg?itok=Ffwxc2JF)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: eight two fives on December 16, 2018, 05:24:07 PM
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There are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.
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You mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Whoís the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.
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A 3 stair? I dont know who you think I am, but I'm not pro. Seriously though, shooing people away for rich people is the job of a cunt. Its the grown up equivalent of wanting to be hall monitor. Sorry if it bothers you.
Enlighten me then, who are you?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GardenSkater77 on December 16, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x5IipGI2Mfk
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: botefdunn on December 16, 2018, 07:11:05 PM
hey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know
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Post by: GollyIamGully on December 16, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
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There are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.
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You mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Whoís the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.
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A 3 stair? I dont know who you think I am, but I'm not pro. Seriously though, shooing people away for rich people is the job of a cunt. Its the grown up equivalent of wanting to be hall monitor. Sorry if it bothers you.
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Enlighten me then, who are you?

Someone who isnt naive enough to think that this was some poor blue collar soul who was just scraping by in life, trying to politely ask someone to come back later, and was attacked by a gang of skateboarders unprovoked..
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 07:24:10 PM
hey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know

You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life. I'm not going to go onto someone else's property to "do my work" and expect them to "get my drift".

Imagine someone storms into your kitchen to use your spatula for handboarding or something stupid.

I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not condoning violence but let's not act like we don't get ourselves into these situations as streetskateboarders.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GollyIamGully on December 16, 2018, 07:42:04 PM
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hey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know
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You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life. I'm not going to go onto someone else's property to "do my work" and expect them to "get my drift".

Imagine someone storms into your kitchen to use your spatula for handboarding or something stupid.

I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not condoning violence but let's not act like we don't get ourselves into these situations as streetateboarders.

Except it isnt like storming into someone's kitchen. Its exactly like some kids skateboarding outside of the financial institution that you work on the 6th floor of.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
Legally it's relative and the non-violence reproach is always the answer. So where do we go from here?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dooky-shoes on December 16, 2018, 08:15:15 PM
So Nike makes the best shoe, we should give security guards the benefit of the doubt, and women skaters are still only relevant based on how attractive they are. Am I all caught up on my Slap bullshit now?
And fred gall shoukd ride for krooked
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: os89 on December 16, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Legally it's relative and the non-violence reproach is always the answer. So where do we go from here?

It's somewhere between SLAP is poosey and ayyyee.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: botefdunn on December 16, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
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You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life.

and what makes you think that this person felt any differently, other than an inflated sense of your own intelligence and morality?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 08:50:24 PM
Please, explain this to me clearer. For context what I was alluding to was someone trespassing (knowingly and willingly) who decided to stay beyond there welcome and then strike someone.

Don't know how this can be misconstrued. Please let met know what I'm missing?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Brguy on December 16, 2018, 08:53:17 PM
I'm the only one thinking this might be bullshit? They said skaters where seen coming out of the spot, but how long after the guy was on the ground? Did they even see the security guard laying around or were they just passing by? Did they even try to wake up the guy to ask who did this?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 16, 2018, 09:04:37 PM
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hey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know
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You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life.
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and what makes you think that this person felt any differently, other than an inflated sense of your own intelligence and morality?

This has has nothing to do with me or my sense of morality. We can both assume the culprit knew the consequences of skating on the property. That's what makes street skateboarding interesting.

I don't have the energy to argue this. I'm just saying that skateboarders maybe need to chill a little bit. It's just SKATEBOARINDG. Cry me a river if you get kicked out.

That's life. Wah, wah.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: window on December 16, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
its a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance
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Post by: CHONGO on December 16, 2018, 09:19:33 PM
its a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance

what the fuck??? english??
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Post by: Mundungus on December 16, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
its a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance

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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on December 16, 2018, 11:26:43 PM
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what the fuck??? english??
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: botefdunn on December 17, 2018, 12:02:15 AM
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You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life.
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and what makes you think that this person felt any differently, other than an inflated sense of your own intelligence and morality?
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This has has nothing to do with me or my sense of morality. We can both assume the culprit knew the consequences of skating on the property.

your first sentence claims impartiality, your second one alludes to "the culprit". you do the math
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Black_Greg on December 17, 2018, 05:02:51 AM
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what the fuck??? english??

Iíve gotten into verbal battles with security but it never lead up to blood shed. Skateboarding is not that serious. Anyone who goes for a truck slap as a fighting technique needs to be locked the hell up
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on December 17, 2018, 05:49:00 AM
How does that building not have a ton of cameras... Or pedestrian phone footage? Was this at night?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: The Mess on December 17, 2018, 10:22:09 AM
Honestly this fucking sucks for everybody involved.. we play with a fucking wooden toy for fucks sake.. isn't this a little crazy for both sides? For us as skaters to get so upset that someone won't let us play on our wooden toy on their property, then to go as far as too almost ending someone's life is absolutely ridiculous. And for security guards to get so upset that they'll get into an altercation over a skater slightly fucking up someone else's property. I have sympathy for both people involved, I hope the security guard is okay and I hope that whoever did such a horrible act gets help. This sucks for skateboarders overall...This would be a great thing for Thrasher, Supreme, or Gx1000 to speak out against and raise awareness over, but they probably won't due to the fact their whole marketing strategy is glorifying this unneeded bullshit violence. I really have respect for all companies listed, but I do wish that our community could grow up and act like adults sometimes.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fang on December 17, 2018, 01:52:17 PM
hit ninja star from distance
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on December 17, 2018, 01:54:32 PM
Put dude in a coma

https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Shifty Flip on December 17, 2018, 02:01:34 PM
Okay, so had he worked at Black Rock for a decade? Dudes didn't know him? She says she saw the security footage, "something just happened, and they attacked him" multiple people it seems. Probably just arraigned today.  Such a bad situation for all.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on December 17, 2018, 02:30:53 PM
Put dude in a coma

https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/
Attacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hevonen on December 17, 2018, 03:00:54 PM
Damn, so as there's security camera footage, should be a pretty clear case. Awful shit. Also since apparently the security guard got pretty serious brain damage he might not fully recover from, isn't it possible that they'll charge him with a sentence similar to manslaughter?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Shifty Flip on December 17, 2018, 03:08:08 PM
Damn, so as there's security camera footage, should be a pretty clear case. Awful shit. Also since apparently the security guard got pretty serious brain damage he might not fully recover from, isn't it possible that they'll charge him with a sentence similar to manslaughter?
I could see his bond being lowish at 100,000, because he's basically unemployed and broke to the public, and maybe they want him to be the first states witness. It's not uncommon for the first to be charged to be the individual that did the least wrong, but can hand the whole case to the state. Just wonder who the rest of the group was.
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Post by: ShyLow on December 17, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Really fucked up. Reality check for the whole industry. 
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Post by: Get the strap on December 17, 2018, 03:30:02 PM
This makes my stomach turn...puts a really bad name on skateboarding...words cannot describe how I feel.
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Post by: ShyLow on December 17, 2018, 03:48:50 PM
Werd on the street is guard came out super aggressive which led to a fist fight. Guard fell back 2 his head. No boards were used as weapons.

Even if that's true, it doesn't change much from a legal perspective.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Johnny Rocketflips on December 17, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
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Honestly this fucking sucks for everybody involved.. we play with a fucking wooden toy for fucks sake.. isn't this a little crazy for both sides? For us as skaters to get so upset that someone won't let us play on our wooden toy on their property, then to go as far as too almost ending someone's life is absolutely ridiculous. And for security guards to get so upset that they'll get into an altercation over a skater slightly fucking up someone else's property. I have sympathy for both people involved, I hope the security guard is okay and I hope that whoever did such a horrible act gets help. This sucks for skateboarders overall...This would be a great thing for Thrasher, Supreme, or Gx1000 to speak out against and raise awareness over, but they probably won't due to the fact their whole marketing strategy is glorifying this unneeded bullshit violence. I really have respect for all companies listed, but I do wish that our community could grow up and act like adults sometimes.
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on December 17, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
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Werd on the street is guard came out super aggressive which led to a fist fight. Guard fell back 2 his head. No boards were used as weapons.
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Or from a surveillance camera perspective. Word on the street sounds wack...Word on the street is that spot is blown up as fuck....So 8 guys had to almost kill someone to skate a blown up spot? Major kook shit...thats like a surfer trying to almost kill a lifeguard at Malibu just to surf their shitty waves.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 17, 2018, 04:07:48 PM
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Put dude in a coma

https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/
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Attacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.
The flyer that his family made states that he was struck in the head with a skateboard...I guess we can put some of the rumors to rest.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on December 17, 2018, 04:09:19 PM
Something's off for sure.
When the cops stopped my friends and me last week to ask us if we knew anything about it, they said he was stabbed. There were also surveillance images they showed us and asked if we could ID the dudes. We didn't
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on December 17, 2018, 05:02:13 PM
Something's off for sure.
When the cops stopped my friends and me last week to ask us if we knew anything about it, they said he was stabbed. There were also surveillance images they showed us and asked if we could ID the dudes. We didn't

Did you recognize anyone?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ArtVandelay on December 17, 2018, 06:31:10 PM
Overheard Brad Cromer talking to Pat Duffy on the phone. Apparently word is, GX crew was framed by Strobeck and FA camp to halt the GX takeover and put Blessed back on top.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Szechuan on December 17, 2018, 09:28:11 PM
Overheard Brad Cromer talking to Pat Duffy on the phone. Apparently word is, GX crew was framed by Strobeck and FA camp to halt the GX takeover and put Blessed back on top.
Lame.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 17, 2018, 10:04:45 PM
damn that link won't load for me.. Was interested in that.
I don't know what else to say. I remember growing up and hearing stories at our high school of some dudes getting in a fight. And socked him in the face, fell and hit a rock on his head and died. Glad the security guard made it out.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: dakotalofton on December 17, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
is it me or don't you want skaters to be hated by normal people, I mean its going to the olympics like WTF is going on!!!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: full of jerks on December 17, 2018, 10:37:40 PM
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Put dude in a coma

https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/
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Attacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.
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The flyer that his family made states that he was struck in the head with a skateboard...I guess we can put some of the rumors to rest.

"Dan was struck multiple times in the head with a skateboard
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: HyenaChaser on December 17, 2018, 11:23:52 PM
is it me or don't you want skaters to be hated by normal people, I mean its going to the olympics like WTF is going on!!!

Fuck no, this is how skateboards get legally banned from anywhere other than a skatepark. I'd rather get a verbal dismissal from a security guard at a spot than getting taken away in cuffs.

Madrid was working on banning skateboards from the city just for foot traffic, I don't think being associated with violence is a good way to keep skating spots.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on December 18, 2018, 05:24:01 AM
https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/

No bail
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 06:29:28 AM
What a shitty situation. I know Jesse, have had him to my home and really enjoy him; he has always been chill, respectful and kind. I really would like to know the whole story and canít imagine that there arenít a plethora of facts that havenít came out yet. Fuck. This is awful. I hope thrasher helps homie find a good lawyer.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Shifty Flip on December 18, 2018, 08:12:20 AM
Saw a lineup of pictures of others they're looking for somewhere.  Can't find it again. Can't imagine why they wouldn't know who they are already.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 18, 2018, 08:18:23 AM
Is there a Facebook group or any page available for the family of the security guard? The article states that the family has a flyer of pictures of people who police are still looking for.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on December 18, 2018, 08:31:10 AM
Is there a Facebook group or any page available for the family of the security guard? The article states that the family has a flyer of pictures of people who police are still looking for.

here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)

(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 18, 2018, 08:41:16 AM
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here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)

(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)

holy shit that is fucked.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DaveFuck on December 18, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
yikes
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 18, 2018, 08:43:58 AM
matt finley just posted this on his instagram story

(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tortfeasor on December 18, 2018, 08:46:37 AM
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Put dude in a coma

https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/
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Attacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.
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The flyer that his family made states that he was struck in the head with a skateboard...I guess we can put some of the rumors to rest.
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"Dan was struck multiple times in the head with a skateboard

i think this part deserves the emphasis
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Just got some low down. No skateboards involved and there is evidence that will be brought out soon. Sounds like this was just a hard punch. Free Jesse!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: KoRnholio8 on December 18, 2018, 10:33:55 AM
Yeah, but was a hard punch really necessary? Is it ever? Is the GX1 crew involved?

I also hate it how the media is lynching Jesse when his side of the story has not been explained at all.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on December 18, 2018, 10:39:01 AM
Who cares if it was a skateboard or a "hard punch", the dude had part of his brain removed and his and his family's lives are forever changed
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 18, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Who cares if it was a skateboard or a "hard punch", the dude had part of his brain removed and his and his family's lives are forever changed
Has that ever happened from just a punch, or did the guy fall on his head?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on December 18, 2018, 10:45:07 AM
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Has that ever happened from just a punch, or did the guy fall on his head?
Would the guy have fallen on his head had he not been attacked by seven or eight people?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 18, 2018, 10:49:12 AM
matt finley just posted this on his instagram story

(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)

Would rather see someone write "Make Jesse accountable for assaulting a senior citizen".

Couldn't imagine an overweight security guard who is nearly sixty poses a threat.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: augustmoon on December 18, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
this is all bad.  if this guy dies at some point, and it's attributed to this injury (which is highly likely), these charges will be upgraded to murder.  I have a feeling people aren't going to give a shit about the skaters side of events either (they never do).  real bad shit. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: augustmoon on December 18, 2018, 11:06:53 AM
this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sk8ordontordie on December 18, 2018, 11:11:44 AM
this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.
Right. This shit ruins skating for everyone and clearly fucked up that dude and his families life. These dudes need to grow up and stop being so selfish. I hate how fucking with security is the  new hot trend, you're really just making it harder for everyone else to skate the spot.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on December 18, 2018, 11:12:00 AM
In that suspect photo i clearly see

seriously fuck you
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
You guys saying he didnít deserve a hard punch astonish me. Have you never been beat up or jumped?  In the moment of a fight often people resort to fight or flight tactics, which is likely what happened here. If the security guard punched or grabbed Jesse and he hit him in the right spot at the right time then itís very feasible that the security guard would have been knocked unconscious and hit his head on the ground. This happens. Self defense is legitimate and exists in a court of law for a reason. What sucks is to see skaters jump to conclusions based off of very little evidence, and more evidence will come. I imagine some of you never grew up street skating, as if you had you would know very well the problem with over zealous security starting fights with us (especially in sf) and how these things happen. Again I say free Jesse and give this man his due process before jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: n0torious on December 18, 2018, 11:35:39 AM
If he passes...

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In most jurisdictions, to qualify as an underlying offense for a felony murder charge, the underlying offense must present a foreseeable danger to life, and the link between the offense and the death must not be too remote. For example, if the recipient of a forged check has a fatal allergic reaction to the ink, most courts will not hold the forger guilty of murder, as the cause of death is too remote from the criminal act.

There are two schools of thought concerning whose actions can cause the defendant to be guilty of felony murder. Jurisdictions that hold to the agency theory admit only deaths caused by the agents of the crime. Jurisdictions that use the proximate cause theory include any death, even if caused by a bystander or the police, provided that it meets one of several proximate cause tests to determine if the chain of events between the offence and the death was short enough to have legally caused the death.

The merger doctrine excludes from the offenses that qualify as underlying offenses any felony that is presupposed by a murder charge. For example, nearly all murders involve some type of assault, but so do many cases of manslaughter. To count any death that occurred during the course of an assault as felony murder would obliterate a distinction that is carefully set by the legislature. However, merger may not apply when an assault against one person results in the death of a different person.

Felony murder is typically the same grade of murder as premeditated murder and carries the same sentence as is used for premeditated murder in the jurisdiction in question.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Tarquin on December 18, 2018, 11:42:25 AM
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here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)

(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)

Those are all clearly pictures of Adriana Victoria Munoz.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dad Muska on December 18, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.

That footage of the lady getting backside lipslided is going to get some serious burn on the nightly news. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on December 18, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
from the "friends of dan jansen" gofundme:

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My friend Dan Jansen was attacked by 8 skateboarders on November 25, 2018.  Dan was doing his job as a security supervisor in moving metal barricades in place to prevent skateboarders from vandalizing the property he was providing security for.  One skateboarder was seen pushing my friend Dan while the others joined in throwing punches and kicks.  One skateboarder used his skateboard to hit Dan across the head, knocking him unconscious.  All 8 skateboarders fled immediately.

https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen (https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BALARGUE on December 18, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
it's sad
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dernpop1 on December 18, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
Unfortunate series of events for everyone involved. Hope the man recovers as best as possible. Hope things work out for Jesse.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: bo bice on December 18, 2018, 12:24:46 PM
Daaaaaamn Jesse Viera, the dude that rides for pizza and just had a thrasher cover? Wow. really liked his skating. this sucks for all parties, hope security guy heals up
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: slippy on December 18, 2018, 12:33:05 PM
this is incredibly sad all around.  Unless the evidence shows some serious physical aggression from security I'm having a hard time siding with the skater.  I do and have street skated constantly and had countless interactions with angry security.  I've never once considered getting physical about it.  personalities are different and it's entirely possible one punch which isn't a tremendous deal caused an accidental head injury with a fall or something but it shouldn't even get to the point of throwing a punch.  Overwhelming evidence could prove me wrong but it seems likely it shouldn't have even gotten close to that point.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: muntcuscle on December 18, 2018, 12:47:26 PM
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DaveFuck on December 18, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: eight two fives on December 18, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
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if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: The Mess on December 18, 2018, 01:00:14 PM
from the "friends of dan jansen" gofundme:

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My friend Dan Jansen was attacked by 8 skateboarders on November 25, 2018.  Dan was doing his job as a security supervisor in moving metal barricades in place to prevent skateboarders from vandalizing the property he was providing security for.  One skateboarder was seen pushing my friend Dan while the others joined in throwing punches and kicks.  One skateboarder used his skateboard to hit Dan across the head, knocking him unconscious.  All 8 skateboarders fled immediately.
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https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen (https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)

I'm trying real hard to keep an open mind until all the facts come out but at this point it is very difficult for me not to be livid at these eight fucking kooks. You are ruining skateboarding for the rest of us. Fuck off. Fighting is for dumb fucks and children. Cashing in on it is for vultures.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: planman on December 18, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on December 18, 2018, 01:07:50 PM
first they realease the best video of the last years, now this. what a fuckin shit rollercoaster. if only i could find a way to blame nike for this.

edit: damn, posted at the same time.

How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: chipped tail on December 18, 2018, 01:11:55 PM
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here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)

(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)
I think GX1000 just found its next team board graphic
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself
Obviously if thatís what went down there would be no defense. What if that isnít what happened?  What if there is more than one side to the story?  If you canít be logical than go fuck yourself!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ArtVandelay on December 18, 2018, 01:16:14 PM
The cops and media must not have seen Roll-up because if they had, they could probably identify and/or find those dudes pretty quick don't you think?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shit_for_brains on December 18, 2018, 01:16:39 PM
I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 01:21:50 PM
I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shit_for_brains on December 18, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
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I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.

I am basing it off of that time I was held without bail you dipshit
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 18, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
Man this keeps getting crazier and crazier. So sad for the family. Dude looks like he was a veteran also.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: full of jerks on December 18, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
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this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.
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That footage of the lady getting backside lipslided is going to get some serious burn on the nightly news.

http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/videos/gx1000-s-roll-up-video/

1:33
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Post by: Donkey Lips on December 18, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
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I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.

Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 01:36:29 PM
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I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
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I am basing it off of that time I was held without bail you dipshit

At least your handle fits.  Keep on knowing everything smarty
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 01:39:49 PM
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I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
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Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.
Is Jesse from San Francisco?  Is he even from California?  No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Number on December 18, 2018, 01:47:40 PM
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
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Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.
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Is Jesse from San Francisco?  Is he even from California?  No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?

Hes from Stockton
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 01:54:15 PM
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
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Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.
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Is Jesse from San Francisco?  Is he even from California?  No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?
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Hes from Stockton
You sure about this? 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: eight two fives on December 18, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
We donít know the hole story... but Iím sure th SF DAís office does. Thereís 1000 cameras down there, but letís not jump to an conclusions...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on December 18, 2018, 01:55:56 PM
Yes he's from Stockton dude
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Donkey Lips on December 18, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
But are you sure about this?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on December 18, 2018, 02:00:02 PM
I dunno logically,

A man whose job it is to stop skaters suffered a tramautic brain injury, in a place filled with cameras

8 skaters were there, only one is being charged and was sought after

It's logical to begin to question his decisions and his character. It's not logical to completely hold judgement unless you are interjecting your own personal emotional bias to make up for some of the facts. Maybe you know him? Maybe this seems unreasonable based off your experience with the guy? It's understandable then for you to hold off as long as possible. Logical outsiders are gonna start having real concerns though. It's strange you can't see that.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: JohnnySaintLethal on December 18, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
Iím embarrassed to skateboard sometimes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Zurg on December 18, 2018, 02:05:14 PM
things can get really heated really quick, but this an example of why you should never get to the point of physical violence. accidents can happen easily/quickly with severe consequences
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on December 18, 2018, 02:11:47 PM
Finally got the news video to load by watching it on Safari browser. They showed a bunch of skaters leaving the court room, recognized Tony Vitello who came out to support. This is very bad for the guard and his family and very bad for skating in SF.
This shit's been brewing in skateboarding for the last few years, and not just in SF. Just look at Tyshawn's ender in Blessed.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 18, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
Tyshawn's ender in "Blessed" was incredibly cringe worthy considering he is a visitor in a foreign country. Good trick but it's not like double sets are rare or anything.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on December 18, 2018, 02:22:36 PM
Tyshawn also didn't get physical with anyone. Sure he pulled a barrier out of someone's hand but he didn't jump/truckslap anybody or show any real aggression.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 18, 2018, 02:25:30 PM
I didn't say that he did. I just said it was a cringe worthy way to act as a visitor in another country. Additionally, if you can't see his behavior potentially escalating things I don't know what else to say.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: The Mess on December 18, 2018, 02:30:53 PM
I didn't say that he did. I just said it was a cringe worthy way to act as a visitor in another country. Additionally, if you can't see his behavior potentially escalating things I don't know what else to say.

this. I have held off on mentioning that incident. But the vibe is right along the same lines. Same goes for Nakel's video earlier in this thread. Point being, even if you aren't truly crossing the line into physical altercation, by blurring the line (pretend punches, grabbing something out of somebody's hand), you are inviting bad luck to make it into the real thing very quickly. Not only that, you are ruining the spot for the rest of skateboarding. Not sure how that is not blatantly obvious.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Cool Ceith on December 18, 2018, 02:56:21 PM
Iím embarrassed to skateboard sometimes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GAY on December 18, 2018, 03:08:07 PM
Violent people fucking suck.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Tuna on December 18, 2018, 03:12:11 PM
Yes he's from Stockton dude
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I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.
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Are you an attorney?  Have you never known anyone held without bail before?  That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isnít cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
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Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.
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Is Jesse from San Francisco?  Is he even from California?  No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?
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Hes from Stockton
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You sure about this?
Yes, and Simi Valley before that. My friend who has lived in simi his whole life was childhood friends with Jesse and his brother...unless even before that he lived somewhere else, but to my limited knowledge, heís from California.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nasalcrilltobackpaddle on December 18, 2018, 03:14:16 PM
Damn, have skateboarders completely lost the plot? I'm all about trying to get some at a forbidden spot just like any other skater, but when you're getting kicked out just bounce! It's private property, we know we're not supposed to be there, and getting into altercations with security guards when they are CLEARLY in the right, and we're in the wrong just makes us look bad as a whole.


Additionally, we look like GIANT PUSSIES if we gang up on a security guard (or anyone else for that matter). 8 guys in the prime of their lives against 1 guy who's almost 60?! That's the most fucking pathetic shit I've ever heard of. That sort of shit is an embarrassment to all skaters.

We're skateboarders, not tough guys. The average skater is smaller and skinnier than the average dude, and even the skaters that are known to be fighters (Mike V, Kelch, etc) would get MURDERED by full size men who know how to fight out in the wild. Stay away from the violence shit, because if you don't you might be looking like Jesse Vieira (and I fully support the innocent until proven guilty approach, but as someone that works in the legal system, Jesse, it doesn't look good for you so far homie) who could potentially end up in the hardcore MAD MAX esque hellscape that is the CA penal system. Spoiler alert: that shit isn't going to go well for him, not even a little bit.

Let's all use our brains, avoid altercation, and live to skate another day, otherwise you might end up like Jesse. Nighty night, keep your butthole tight.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 18, 2018, 03:21:54 PM
I just want to know what the security guard said/did before ending up in the ambulance.

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Damn, his next date in court is January 4.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hevonen on December 18, 2018, 03:31:47 PM
You guys saying he didnít deserve a hard punch astonish me. Have you never been beat up or jumped?  In the moment of a fight often people resort to fight or flight tactics, which is likely what happened here. If the security guard punched or grabbed Jesse and he hit him in the right spot at the right time then itís very feasible that the security guard would have been knocked unconscious and hit his head on the ground. This happens. Self defense is legitimate and exists in a court of law for a reason. What sucks is to see skaters jump to conclusions based off of very little evidence, and more evidence will come. I imagine some of you never grew up street skating, as if you had you would know very well the problem with over zealous security starting fights with us (especially in sf) and how these things happen. Again I say free Jesse and give this man his due process before jumping the gun.

Even if the security guard was out of line and pushed or grabbed someone, I still doubt it would help the skaters chances in court too much since they were probably told to leave multiple times before shit went down. I don't think it counts as self defense if you purposefully get into a fight with someone. And it's a 60yr old vs. eight young adults. Also them just apparently fleeing the scene without calling an ambulance will probably get used against them too.

I'm not judging Vieira yet since no evidence has come to public. It could've been just a light push where the dude tripped and hit his head which is just unfortunate, or it could've been multiple hits on the head with a board which is completely fucked up on every level. But from the court point of view, he did a violent act that led to serious head trauma, so his chances aren't looking too good

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: feedmeseymour on December 18, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers

Holy shit there is gold on this security forum, I think I might Have to make an account over there.
 Thankyou cloudy.

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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on December 18, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Prosecutors won't have to do much digging for evidence to help their case. The beginning of Roll-Up they fuck up that lady. Add the older edits and bam they'll/he'll be treated as violent offenders...

Keeping it real gone wrong. Bet that's GX with the camera in hand
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on December 18, 2018, 04:57:04 PM
Like its been said, the whole thing is fucked. There has been a lot of security altercations on skate clips lately from my recollection. The most vivid one was that Hijinx unlimited video that pizza face kid made. Kids are dumb and do stupid things but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any repercussions when things go awry. I honestly am surprised nothing like this has happened before given that security guards are always depicted as enemies from the get-go even though all they are doing is their job, its sad. Most skaters are smarter than this and have a bit more sympathy towards them and like most I keep it moving when it gets close to an altercations. Its not even worth it. After looking up the victim he seems like a wholesome guy who loves to fish and has his own YouTube channel. As much as his close friends want to stick up for him (As friends should do) asking to free him would be going the wrong way about this, Unfortunately this needed to happen eventually for us to get a serious reality check.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_abqPEQWgM
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mtvic on December 18, 2018, 05:03:49 PM
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You guys saying he didnít deserve a hard punch astonish me. Have you never been beat up or jumped?  In the moment of a fight often people resort to fight or flight tactics, which is likely what happened here. If the security guard punched or grabbed Jesse and he hit him in the right spot at the right time then itís very feasible that the security guard would have been knocked unconscious and hit his head on the ground. This happens. Self defense is legitimate and exists in a court of law for a reason. What sucks is to see skaters jump to conclusions based off of very little evidence, and more evidence will come. I imagine some of you never grew up street skating, as if you had you would know very well the problem with over zealous security starting fights with us (especially in sf) and how these things happen. Again I say free Jesse and give this man his due process before jumping the gun.
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Even if the security guard was out of line and pushed or grabbed someone, I still doubt it would help the skaters chances in court too much since they were probably told to leave multiple times before shit went down. I don't think it counts as self defense if you purposefully get into a fight with someone. And it's a 60yr old vs. eight young adults. Also them just apparently fleeing the scene without calling an ambulance will probably get used against them too.

I'm not judging Vieira yet since no evidence has come to public. It could've been just a light push where the dude tripped and hit his head which is just unfortunate, or it could've been multiple hits on the head with a board which is completely fucked up on every level. But from the court point of view, he did a violent act that led to serious head trauma, so his chances aren't looking too good
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on December 18, 2018, 05:18:16 PM
Like its been said, the whole thing is fucked. There has been a lot of security altercations on skate clips lately from my recollection. The most vivid one was that Hijinx unlimited video that pizza face kid made. Kids are dumb and do stupid things but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any repercussions when things go awry. I honestly am surprised nothing like this has happened before given that security guards are always depicted as enemies from the get-go even though all they are doing is their job, its sad. Most skaters are smarter than this and have a bit more sympathy towards them and like most I keep it moving when it gets close to an altercations. Its not even worth it. After looking up the victim he seems like a wholesome guy who loves to fish and has his own YouTube channel. As much as his close friends want to stick up for him (As friends should do) asking to free him would be going the wrong way about this, Unfortunately this needed to happen eventually for us to get a serious reality check.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_abqPEQWgM
Truly a terrible situation. This guy will need to learn to talk and walk again if he's lucky enough to be able to recover at all. No one deserves this trying to do his job. Unless this guy is new to working Black Rock, most of the GX guys had to have encountered him on some level before, and to flee leaving him with a serious brain injury on the ground is fucked.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 18, 2018, 05:28:11 PM
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Like its been said, the whole thing is fucked. There has been a lot of security altercations on skate clips lately from my recollection. The most vivid one was that Hijinx unlimited video that pizza face kid made. Kids are dumb and do stupid things but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any repercussions when things go awry. I honestly am surprised nothing like this has happened before given that security guards are always depicted as enemies from the get-go even though all they are doing is their job, its sad. Most skaters are smarter than this and have a bit more sympathy towards them and like most I keep it moving when it gets close to an altercations. Its not even worth it. After looking up the victim he seems like a wholesome guy who loves to fish and has his own YouTube channel. As much as his close friends want to stick up for him (As friends should do) asking to free him would be going the wrong way about this, Unfortunately this needed to happen eventually for us to get a serious reality check.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_abqPEQWgM
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Truly a terrible situation. This guy will need to learn to talk and walk again if he's lucky enough to be able to recover at all. No one deserves this trying to do his job. Unless this guy is new to working Black Rock, most of the GX guys had to have encountered him on some level before, and to flee leaving him with a serious brain injury on the ground is fucked.

News article said he'd worked there for ten years. I hope the victim makes a full recovery but I fear he's probably been robbed of his golden years.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heritage on December 18, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
matt finley just posted this on his instagram story

(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)

Then Matt Finley is a fucking idiot and a coward like his buddy that's sitting in jail. And fuck you too mtvic, you fucking kook. You'd be singing a different tune if that was your old man laid up in the hospital from these cowards.

Really disappointing to see some of those suspects. Even if they had nothing to do with it, total bummer.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on December 18, 2018, 06:07:22 PM
Just chiming back in here to say I've run into a handful of security guards in downtown SF who have threatened me and my friends with physical violence if we didn't leave immediately. There was no calm approach to us, it was pretty much straight out the gates they were ready to tackle us, punch us, taze us, or do whatever else was possible to physically stop us from rolling around.

I've had guards come at me and get up in my face literally spitting saying anything they could to provoke me in hopes I reacted violently so they could flex.

I'm guessing no one else remembers the time the security guard in Portland hit a skater in the head with a skateboard? What would you do if that was your friend getting hit or assaulted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0iWDcLuns

Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.

I also need to point out at The Dolores Hill Bomb 2 years ago, a cop nearly killed a kid and he didn't go over to the kid to see if he was all right. He just walked the fuck away.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on December 18, 2018, 06:29:41 PM
Just chiming back in here to say I've run into a handful of security guards in downtown SF who have threatened me and my friends with physical violence if we didn't leave immediately. There was no calm approach to us, it was pretty much straight out the gates they were ready to tackle us, punch us, taze us, or do whatever else was possible to physically stop us from rolling around.

I've had guards come at me and get up in my face literally spitting saying anything they could to provoke me in hopes I reacted violently so they could flex.

I'm guessing no one else remembers the time the security guard in Portland literally hit a skater in the head with a skateboard? What would you do if that was your friend getting hit or assaulted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0iWDcLuns

Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.

I also need to point out at The Dolores Hill Bomb 2 years ago, a cop nearly killed a kid and he didn't go over to the kid to see if he was all right. He just walked the fuck away.
I would hope if it was in reverse, cops would get rid of the blue wall of silence bull shit and say this is fucked, and not automatically defend one of their own. If the guy was clocked in the head with a board after he was already down surrounded by 8 ppl, that's gone beyond the point of self-defense and is retaliatory assault.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on December 18, 2018, 06:35:04 PM
If the guy was clocked in the head with a board after he was already down surrounded by 8 ppl, that's gone beyond the point of self-defense and is retaliatory assault.

From what I've heard, there was no attack with a board. The world needs to see the security footage and any other documentation of the altercation. That footage of the Portland skaters and security, supposedly that being released played a big part in helping them win their case, and the skaters are on camera fighting back.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on December 18, 2018, 06:38:52 PM
That's good they didn't hit him with a board but choose to gang up on him eight on one. So thoughtful.

If GX was filming which it looks like he was there? and it was self defense why not stick around. In stead of leaving the guy for dead. Fucking cowards.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on December 18, 2018, 06:42:23 PM
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From what I've heard, there was no attack with a board. The world needs to see the security footage and any other documentation of the altercation. That footage of the Portland skaters being released led them to win their case.
Fair enough, but the fact he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon seems like something outside of his fist was used. Maybe they overcharged him or they charged the wrong person. But, given the amount of cameras around that is a really serious charge to lay.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Nosferatu on December 18, 2018, 06:44:55 PM
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: HungUp on December 18, 2018, 06:45:34 PM
Ok, so I checked in with Pat Duffy and apparently this is a false flag.

Duffy explained that there was never a guard at this location, in-fact there isn't even a building at this location. This whole story was shot in a government studio with pro-vax spherical earther crisis actors. The whole operation was funded by Soros and Al-Qaeda to discredit the rebellious and free-thinking skateboard movement.

Jo El is actually Jose El Torro an illegal criminal immigrant terrorist rapist bent on destroying America and reclaiming California for Mexico.

Woke af. Solid post
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: VHS ERA on December 18, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
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this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.
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That footage of the lady getting backside lipslided is going to get some serious burn on the nightly news.

That shit was kinda wack too.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: full of jerks on December 18, 2018, 07:04:06 PM
https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/

Looks like ABC edited their story that was the source of the hit multiple times in the head quote.  It doesn't say anything about that anymore.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: VHS ERA on December 18, 2018, 07:15:57 PM
How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.

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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 18, 2018, 07:23:17 PM
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Obviously if thatís what went down there would be no defense. What if that isnít what happened?  What if there is more than one side to the story?  If you canít be logical than go fuck yourself!

what could be more logical than fucking yourself? god gave us hands for a reason.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: childhood on December 18, 2018, 07:23:33 PM
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How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
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Post by: planman on December 18, 2018, 07:43:24 PM
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How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
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I'm sliding down the hills while I shoot
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GardenSkater77 on December 18, 2018, 09:12:37 PM
I am not sure why many commenters have treated the security guard like a feeble old man. There are countless 57 year olds who could beat up 24 year olds.

Also, it not hard to imagine the guard instigating in incident. Obviously, this does not excuse the assault.

Regarding the bond, I was surprised Jesse was denied bond and I did not realize that CA does not have a cash bail system. It seems as if the negative effect of this law is that it gives judges more discretion to keep the defendant behind bars pending trial. I don't believe that Jesse would be considered a high risk not to return for arraignment, so it seems like the judge is already punishing him. Hopefully, the time behind bars will count to his sentence should he be found guilty.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: eight two fives on December 18, 2018, 09:51:25 PM
I am not sure why many commenters have treated the security guard like a feeble old man. There are countless 57 year olds who could beat up 24 year olds.

Also, it not hard to imagine the guard instigating in incident. Obviously, this does not excuse the assault.

Regarding the bond, I was surprised Jesse was denied bond and I did not realize that CA does not have a cash bail system. It seems as if the negative effect of this law is that it gives judges more discretion to keep the defendant behind bars pending trial. I don't believe that Jesse would be considered a high risk not to return for arraignment, so it seems like the judge is already punishing him. Hopefully, the time behind bars will count to his sentence should he be found guilty.
SB-10 is not in effect. The bail industry forced it on to the Nov. 2020 ballot, so there is still cash bail in CA until at least then. 

I work with people on OR pretrial release in CA.  Like that's my job, I supervise them, they aren't my coworkers. The judge NBA'd him because of the violent felonies and how severe the injuries were.  Reminds me of the Bryan Stow beating outside Dodger stadium.  Those guys pleaded out 4 and 8 years.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/79385408-132.html
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: metsuri on December 19, 2018, 01:11:07 AM
This is so sad, stupid and so unnecessary. At large, this is the result of that whole skate and destroy / hellride bullshit. A lot of the time skaters are so deep in their skate-bubble, they think they are somehow entitled to do whatever they want and skate wherever they like, skate people's houses etc.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Beeda Weeda on December 19, 2018, 04:00:32 AM
i don't know the true story, this whole situation is horrible, violence is horrible.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Donkey Lips on December 19, 2018, 06:17:39 AM
Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.

Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.
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Post by: tkp on December 19, 2018, 07:06:37 AM
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Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.
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Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.

I find it interesting someone is telling me to fuck off for pointing out that there's a chance a security just might not have been as cool and calm as people are portraying him to be.

Out of respect for the person who reached out to me privately, I can say no more.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: goldenbullcow on December 19, 2018, 07:20:45 AM
Even if the guard was a total asshole I donít see how a violent assault is justified
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Post by: A.J.K. on December 19, 2018, 07:45:47 AM
This is so sad, stupid and so unnecessary. At large, this is the result of that whole skate and destroy / hellride bullshit. A lot of the time skaters are so deep in their skate-bubble, they think they are somehow entitled to do whatever they want and skate wherever they like, skate people's houses etc.

This.

Obviously the security guard might have been overly aggressive, but why go out of your way to beat the dude nearly to death? To avenge the line you couldn't film that day? As Metsuri said, stupid and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mattchew on December 19, 2018, 08:08:43 AM
This sucks for all parties involved--the skateboard community at large included--but basically no one on SLAP knows what happened other than that Jesse is in jail and that the security guard is still hospitalized, both of which are shitty outcomes.

People are talking about head bashing with a board, stabbings, 8 vs 1, etc. all of which there is no proof or has been retracted by the media.
Speculating doesn't accomplish anything other than generating misinformation.

I am in no way defending or condoning violence, merely pointing out that we--the general public--don't know much about this situation.

Such a bummer.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: rapscallion on December 19, 2018, 08:19:29 AM
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How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
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Grand opening grand closing
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heritage on December 19, 2018, 08:34:29 AM
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Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.
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Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.
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I find it interesting someone is telling me to fuck off for pointing out that there's a chance a security just might not have been as cool and calm as people are portraying him to be.

Out of respect for the person who reached out to me privately, I can say no more.

Agreed that anything is possible, and there are always two sides to every story. All the really cool guys here (and his dumb ass crew) seem to think Jesse is innocent which I find hilarious given Slap's propensity for a good witch hunt. There's a guy laid up in a hospital bed with brain bleeding and part of his skull removed (Source: abc7) which he clearly didn't do to himself just for fun. There was another quote from that same article from someone who has seen the footage and said he is surrounded and attacked.

I find it odd that everyone took off so fast. If it's all on (someone's) video camera and security footage is available, then all the 'innocent' parties should have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Gary Coleman on December 19, 2018, 08:36:50 AM
I have no clue how SF County courts usually handle assaults but this guy is probably going to have a pretty bad day when he gets there. Who knows what the security guardís lawyer is going to ask the judge for? A skateboard could be a deadly weapon. And if everything weíve heard so far is true, this dude deserves to sit in prison for a while. Californiaís prison system has got to be among the most fucked in the US too if not number 1.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: JeremyScottofChapman on December 19, 2018, 08:54:32 AM
Wow honestly not that suprising it was GX crew involved. The videos have always been good but the whole aggressive  and physical altercations with security guards and especially homeowners made me not care for them.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Donkey Lips on December 19, 2018, 11:35:26 AM
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Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.
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Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.
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I find it interesting someone is telling me to fuck off for pointing out that there's a chance a security just might not have been as cool and calm as people are portraying him to be.

There's also a chance that the security guard was just as cool and calm as can be, but neither of those excuse somebody violently assaulting him, do they?
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Post by: roba on December 19, 2018, 11:41:19 AM
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How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
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Grand opening grand closing
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Bobby Shmurda style.
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I'm sliding down the hills while I shoot
They think that I'm Tom Cruise
But bitch I'm Jesse with the tool

roll up on em acc a fool

i really hope that the cctv footage will come out sooner or later, the whole situation seems real shady but nothing is certain as of now. there's no point in fighting with security guards
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: drunkenshredder on December 19, 2018, 12:33:25 PM
Don't skate in SF...i remember after the baker riots in LA cops were hot on anyone riding a skateboard. Stop and search for having a skateboard. SF just took a hit so watch out boys
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Post by: sidneycrosby on December 19, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
The whole thing was on IG story for a hot minute day it happened .
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Post by: Trickflip on December 19, 2018, 01:18:58 PM
Don't skate in SF...i remember after the baker riots in LA cops were hot on anyone riding a skateboard. Stop and search for having a skateboard. SF just took a hit so watch out boys
I see what you're saying but, no. Law enforcement is different in SF compared to LA. For example, 2:15
https://youtu.be/kF9g3wB6UBQ (https://youtu.be/kF9g3wB6UBQ)

This incident may cause negative attention towards skateboarders, but I'd say just avoid downtown/businesses for the time being
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on December 19, 2018, 01:19:21 PM
The whole thing was on IG story for a hot minute day it happened .

Go on...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tortfeasor on December 19, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
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Don't skate in SF...i remember after the baker riots in LA cops were hot on anyone riding a skateboard. Stop and search for having a skateboard. SF just took a hit so watch out boys
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I see what you're saying but, no. Law enforcement is different in SF compared to LA. For example, 2:15
https://youtu.be/kF9g3wB6UBQ (https://youtu.be/kF9g3wB6UBQ)

This incident may cause negative attention towards skateboarders, but I'd say just avoid downtown/businesses for the time being


all controversy aside-- that ollie ride through the trolley around the 250 mark is so fucking rad.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 19, 2018, 02:23:20 PM
Skating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just donít be an asshole and donít skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.
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Post by: h00man on December 19, 2018, 03:35:39 PM
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on December 19, 2018, 04:02:20 PM
Skating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just donít be an asshole and donít skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.
or TI
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 19, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
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Skating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just donít be an asshole and donít skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.
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I always have to take a bus to take the (25?) bus that goes there. That park is fun, but itís more of a hassle to get toóand Iíve hit my head there more than a couple times.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 19, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
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Skating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just donít be an asshole and donít skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.
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I always have to take a bus to take the (25?) bus that goes there. That park is fun, but itís more of a hassle to get toóand Iíve hit my head there more than a couple times.

to derail this further- i went to college in SF and never was a fan of skating it - prefer oakland or berkeley over SF
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 19, 2018, 05:03:14 PM
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
I'm not gunna read 10 pages on this but pretty much this ↑
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: feedmeseymour on December 19, 2018, 06:58:38 PM
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
You donít even try to get a few more tries? Always try to sweet talk them into one or two more goes.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SlapRhaters on December 19, 2018, 07:13:28 PM
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ungzilla on December 19, 2018, 07:23:17 PM
sick how many people would you say you have murdered so far
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on December 19, 2018, 07:23:51 PM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: WhiteCountrySinger on December 19, 2018, 08:36:04 PM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.

Yo, who gave Jesse access to the internet??
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on December 19, 2018, 10:00:09 PM
headed to SF on the 26th. Hopefully the block ain't super hot.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SlapRhaters on December 19, 2018, 10:09:57 PM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
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People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.
i don't listen to anyone who believes in fairy tales. in all honestly if religion wasn't around we would be 1000 years ahead in technology and could probably heal this guys injury's 100%.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: lowerfieldfirst on December 19, 2018, 11:58:30 PM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
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People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.
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i don't listen to anyone who believes in fairy tales. in all honestly if religion wasn't around we would be 1000 years ahead in technology and could probably heal this guys injury's 100%.

It's not about religion, dum-dum. Talking about ending someone in this context is just a bit malevolent. Whether it's for altruistic reasons or not. Future of the Earth? Come on, man.

Can't think of a realistic scenario between a security guard and eight skaters that would justify the outcome.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on December 20, 2018, 12:38:57 AM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
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People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.
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i don't listen to anyone who believes in fairy tales. in all honestly if religion wasn't around we would be 1000 years ahead in technology and could probably heal this guys injury's 100%.
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 20, 2018, 01:03:58 AM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
guess we've found our new resident troll then?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Brguy on December 20, 2018, 01:21:52 AM
I just want to see the footage, really.
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Post by: BacksideWallride on December 20, 2018, 05:27:20 AM
I just want to see the footage, really.

Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?
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Post by: shit_for_brains on December 20, 2018, 05:51:19 AM
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I just want to see the footage, really.
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Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?

Why would they release evidence in a pending criminal case to the absolutely worthless court of public opinion
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BALARGUE on December 20, 2018, 05:53:08 AM
security footage is obviously not meant to be released to the public
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Post by: Prison Wallet on December 20, 2018, 07:19:00 AM
Have you never seen the evening news?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tortfeasor on December 20, 2018, 08:10:36 AM

this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: weregoingunion on December 20, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
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I just want to see the footage, really.
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Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?

shoulda made the HD switch like gx did.
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Post by: chipped tail on December 20, 2018, 10:17:54 AM
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I just want to see the footage, really.
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Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?
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shoulda made the HD switch like gx did.
GX has the HD fisheye angle of the incident
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: rapscallion on December 20, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
I don't think the hundreds of business people who have worked in the building for longer than Jesse has been alive would enjoy seeing footage of a guard being beaten into a coma. Honestly, I think that would bum them out.
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Post by: Cool Ceith on December 20, 2018, 10:31:57 AM
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I just want to see the footage, really.
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Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?
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Ritchie Jackson has the fisheye footage. Sorry... this is neither the time nor place.
shoulda made the HD switch like gx did.
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GX has the HD fisheye angle of the incident
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 20, 2018, 02:49:54 PM
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If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.

This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.

When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.

Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?

God fucking dammit.
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depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
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People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.
  Ha
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 20, 2018, 02:59:31 PM

this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on December 20, 2018, 03:21:17 PM
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this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
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Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.

if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shit_for_brains on December 20, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
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this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
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Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
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if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.

What else is going on in Candyland
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Post by: cloudy on December 20, 2018, 03:46:29 PM
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this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
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Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
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if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
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What else is going on in Candyland

ok fair enough. can we at least get gq to run a follow-up to this? https://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco (https://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco)
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Post by: DannyDee on December 20, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
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this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
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Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
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if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
Because Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt draw a lot more fucking hits to a website than Jesse Viera of GX1000 (and even people on Slap have trouble telling the GX crew apart). It's probably gettable, but its not enough of the public interest to buy. On top of that, the people most likely to leak it, are his colleagues, who probably wouldn't sell it. If it was a random homeless guy or person they might, but probably not someone they know on a personal level.

Why would Ryan Garshall sell it to TMZ. It probably brings even more public attention to it.
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Post by: cloudy on December 20, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
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this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
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Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
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if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
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Because Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt draw a lot more fucking hits to a website than Jesse Viera of GX1000 (and even people on Slap have trouble telling the GX crew apart). It's probably gettable, but its not enough of the public interest to buy. On top of that, the people most likely to leak it, are his colleagues, who probably wouldn't sell it. If it was a random homeless guy or person they might, but probably not someone they know on a personal level.

Why would Ryan Garshall sell it to TMZ. It probably brings even more public attention to it.

well, like i said in my post, if ryan thinks that the footage would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion), then he might consider anonymously selling it/releasing it. when you have guys like matt finley writing "free jesse" on their griptape, i get the sense that the gx crew believes jesse is innocent. obviously don't put out the clip if it shows what the abc7 news/gofundme campaign would have us believe.

and yes, no doubt. ray rice and kareem hunt generate a lot more clicks that any skater would, but in this day and age, the internet demands constant content. just check out some of the other skate-related stories that tmz has published, and tell me they wouldn't be interested in this one:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/don-nguyen-justin-figueroa-skateboard-skate-park-fight-brawl-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/don-nguyen-justin-figueroa-skateboard-skate-park-fight-brawl-video/)
https://www.tmz.com/2014/04/11/jereme-rogers-skater-arrested-lure-nightclub-beating/ (https://www.tmz.com/2014/04/11/jereme-rogers-skater-arrested-lure-nightclub-beating/)
https://www.tmz.com/2018/10/24/pro-skateboarder-neal-hendrix-accused-sexual-assault-julz-lynn/ (https://www.tmz.com/2018/10/24/pro-skateboarder-neal-hendrix-accused-sexual-assault-julz-lynn/)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on December 20, 2018, 04:34:15 PM
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this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account.  its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages.  I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont). 


EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available.  i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
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Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.

Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
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if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
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Because Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt draw a lot more fucking hits to a website than Jesse Viera of GX1000 (and even people on Slap have trouble telling the GX crew apart). It's probably gettable, but its not enough of the public interest to buy. On top of that, the people most likely to leak it, are his colleagues, who probably wouldn't sell it. If it was a random homeless guy or person they might, but probably not someone they know on a personal level.

Why would Ryan Garshall sell it to TMZ. It probably brings even more public attention to it.
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well, like i said in my post, if ryan thinks that the footage would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion), then he might consider anonymously selling it/releasing it. when you have guys like matt finley writing "free jesse" on their griptape, i get the sense that the gx crew believes jesse is innocent. obviously don't put out the clip if it shows what the abc7 news/gofundme campaign would have us believe.

and yes, no doubt. ray rice and kareem hunt generate a lot more clicks that any skater would, but in this day and age, the internet demands constant content. just check out some of the other skate-related stories that tmz has published, and tell me they wouldn't be interested in this one:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/don-nguyen-justin-figueroa-skateboard-skate-park-fight-brawl-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/don-nguyen-justin-figueroa-skateboard-skate-park-fight-brawl-video/)
https://www.tmz.com/2014/04/11/jereme-rogers-skater-arrested-lure-nightclub-beating/ (https://www.tmz.com/2014/04/11/jereme-rogers-skater-arrested-lure-nightclub-beating/)
https://www.tmz.com/2018/10/24/pro-skateboarder-neal-hendrix-accused-sexual-assault-julz-lynn/ (https://www.tmz.com/2018/10/24/pro-skateboarder-neal-hendrix-accused-sexual-assault-julz-lynn/)
The only one they have footage of is Figgy's, which was a camera phone. I'd assume that getting the security tapes is much more challenging to find people willing to sell it, than a demo gone wrong where there are a ton of people with camera phones.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: chipped tail on December 20, 2018, 06:03:42 PM
So the Nuge fought a child, and fiiggy punched a dude from behind who was trying to break it up? real sick.

If gx1000 just stood there and filmed a violent assault then he is gonna be in some trouble too.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on December 20, 2018, 06:22:32 PM
I'd assume that getting the security tapes is much more challenging to find people willing to sell it, than a demo gone wrong where there are a ton of people with camera phones.

agreed.

If gx1000 just stood there and filmed a violent assault then he is gonna be in some trouble too.

i'm not sure if that's true. this article gets into some pretty fucked up examples - https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/crime-bystanders-no-charges (https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/crime-bystanders-no-charges)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: chipped tail on December 20, 2018, 07:11:44 PM
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i'm not sure if that's true. this article gets into some pretty fucked up examples - https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/crime-bystanders-no-charges (https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/crime-bystanders-no-charges)
Havent you seen the last episode of Sienfeld?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Rocuronium on December 20, 2018, 07:37:56 PM
No matter who's at fault,
.... it turns out that fucking up a spot's security guard will blow it out forever.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: slobplant on December 20, 2018, 08:32:54 PM
New gx board
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: WhiteCountrySinger on December 20, 2018, 10:53:50 PM
https://vimeo.com/121301640

Best video! Dealing with security in Australia sure as hell ain't the same ballgame as in the U.S
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 21, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
So the Nuge fought a child, and fiiggy punched a dude from behind who was trying to break it up? real sick.

If gx1000 just stood there and filmed a violent assault then he is gonna be in some trouble too.
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 I get a bad vibe from figgy forever. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:28:40 AM
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.

It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 21, 2018, 09:37:04 AM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
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It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
  "Agenda"  -honestly to me ur the guy who comes off a tad agena-y.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:40:21 AM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
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It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
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  "Agenda"
That's right bitch
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Pigeon on December 21, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
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It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
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  "Agenda"
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That's right bitch
Yo, donít call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:43:38 AM
I would also like to add I've been skateboarding since 1999 and never has it ever resorted to violence . i know I'm not allowed there the security guard says to leave and i do. If i really wanted to land it i would come back later which is still the situation. Just my experiences at least.
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 21, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
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It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
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  "Agenda"
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That's right bitch
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Yo, donít call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.
Thanks B.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:44:45 AM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
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It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
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  "Agenda"
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That's right bitch
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Yo, donít call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.


My apologies. Keep the smokes comin
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 21, 2018, 09:48:31 AM
Dude ur all about the divisions.
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Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:49:32 AM
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How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? Itís a different era. Shit isnít underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).

Itís not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos donít exist in a vacuum.
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It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
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  "Agenda"  -honestly to me ur the guy who comes off a tad agena-y.

Pretty much went the "no u" route. Brilliant
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:50:18 AM
Dude ur all about the divisions.

I'm only about the joy division
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 21, 2018, 09:55:28 AM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
  Yah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation.  And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 09:57:40 AM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
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  Yah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation.  And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.
It was tounge in cheek they weren't Nazis
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 21, 2018, 09:59:01 AM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
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It was tounge in cheek they weren't Nazis
  Shows alot of class.
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Post by: Surf-goth on December 21, 2018, 10:02:56 AM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
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It was tounge in cheek they weren't Nazis
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  Shows alot of class.

They did wear button down shirts hahaa
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Post by: Tuna on December 21, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
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It was tounge in cheek they weren't Nazis
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  Shows alot of class.
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They did wear button down shirts hahaa

Would it have been even classier if they wore durags?
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Post by: Pigeon on December 21, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
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  Yah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation.  And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.
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It was tounge in cheek they weren't Nazis
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  Shows alot of class.
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They did wear button down shirts hahaa
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Would it have been even classier if they wore durags?
No, they would just look like gypsies.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on December 21, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
Yo, donít call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: JosephCharlton on December 23, 2018, 12:47:53 PM
I would imagine prosecutors have/are already sorting through all the GX videos, taking notes on ALL of the negative interactions with home-owners, security guards/law enforcement, graffiti, etc.

Think twice before throwing them hands.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Mcidraque on December 24, 2018, 01:01:38 AM
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supreme should pay off the city with all that carlyle group money
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Carlyle Group probably owns the security agency too. Playing both sides Bush style.

this is awesome (and probably true)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: notcool on December 24, 2018, 03:22:31 PM
The only time i've had to resort to violence is when i was 16 years old and a 200lb man had me in a stranglehold i hit him with my board (truck side) and just got out of there.  having a skateboard is like having a deadly weapon id say even more efficient than a baseball bat.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dong Juan on December 24, 2018, 06:19:59 PM
I would imagine prosecutors have/are already sorting through all the GX videos, taking notes on ALL of the negative interactions with home-owners, security guards/law enforcement, graffiti, etc.

Think twice before throwing them hands.

In a criminal trial all of that would be considered prejudicial and therefore inadmissible as evidence. In a civil trial i.e. a lawsuit, it would be full go.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GAY on December 25, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.
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Post by: BacksideWallride on December 25, 2018, 08:46:23 AM
So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.

I mean it is his name media-wise. Like Fat Bill, Gee, French Fred but you sure as hell can catch trespassing charges filming graffiti or skating on private property. I've seen it. Knocked down to a low misdemeanor but still
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Post by: slobplant on December 25, 2018, 08:47:17 AM
So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.

Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.
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Post by: the canadian suit on December 25, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
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So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.
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Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.

He doesnít introduce himself as that
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Post by: Allen. on December 25, 2018, 10:38:07 AM
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So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.
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Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.
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He doesnít introduce himself as that

Yeah but just picture it
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Post by: Shifty Flip on December 25, 2018, 12:15:28 PM
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So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.
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Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.
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He doesnít introduce himself as that
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Yeah but just picture it
In a Bond, James Bond voice.
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Post by: calvinsdream on December 25, 2018, 12:39:50 PM
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Dude ur all about the divisions.
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I'm only about the joy division
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It was tounge in cheek they weren't Nazis

Go back to a comments section already
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: deathturd on January 04, 2019, 08:34:19 AM
More on this depressing, sad situation...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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Post by: History Buff on January 04, 2019, 08:42:10 AM
More on this depressing, sad situation...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y

damn
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Post by: JeremyScottofChapman on January 04, 2019, 08:44:01 AM

More on this depressing, sad situation...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y

Dude that is seriously fucked.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: slippy on January 04, 2019, 08:45:32 AM
More on this depressing, sad situation...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y

Horrible shit.  This guy's life is fucked for another kid's instagram clip. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billyerlife on January 04, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
"As the guard worked, the group attacked, knocking the 57-year-old to the ground and leaving him unconscious."
I joked earlier in this thread about how we're all gonna just take the security guard's side apparently, but it seems that was the right side to take in this case. Newspapers can be biased of course, but if this is what occurred, an attack rather than self defense, over a skateboard trick? Dude is disabled for life. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 08:58:02 AM
Now we need to see the other video evidence that is being played in court today.

Even after that security cam footage was released today (1:49 /1:50 mark is where board shows up), I'm still being told no boards were used in the attack, only fists.

I agree with the consensus that this is a shitty situation all around.
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Post by: smellsdead on January 04, 2019, 08:58:17 AM
shit makes me sick to my stomach
fucking dented the dudes head
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Post by: johnes on January 04, 2019, 09:05:05 AM
His family needs to sue pizza for all itís worth! Even if itís only $11.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: saucy ragu on January 04, 2019, 09:07:03 AM
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More on this depressing, sad situation...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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Horrible shit.  This guy's life is fucked for another kid's instagram clip.

Here's the photo for posterity for anyone who thinks squaring up to skate a spot is worth it.

(https://i.imgur.com/HFS86WD.png?1)

Even worse, judging from the video, Dan Jansen was doing his job while avoiding any physical altercation with those guys.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nopes on January 04, 2019, 09:08:44 AM
^^^^^
holy fucking shit
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 04, 2019, 09:10:06 AM
Security guards all around are gonna see this and realize they need to have a gun on them at work and one day someoneís gonna get shot.

But at least we can rest assured that whoever gets shot wonít actually die because guns donít kill people.  ;D
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 09:11:13 AM
Here's the photo for posterity for anyone who thinks squaring up to skate a spot is worth it.

(https://i.imgur.com/HFS86WD.png?1)

Even worse, judging from the video, Dan Jansen was doing his job while avoiding any physical altercation with those guys.

If your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.

Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling. Not defending anyone's actions here, just needed to point that out.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: pointandclick on January 04, 2019, 09:12:37 AM
this is very sad. some people are lucky enough to skate for a living, that doesnt mean you get to fight security for doing their job. fuck sakes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: saucy ragu on January 04, 2019, 09:16:05 AM
If your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.

Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling.

Jesse's court date is today.

What's your point, Travis? He wouldn't have that massive dent if Jesse hadn't hit him in the head/caused him to fall on his head, which resulted in the brain swelling, and necessitated the surgery.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 09:22:03 AM
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If your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.

Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling.

Jesse's court date is today.
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What's your point, Travis? He wouldn't have that massive dent if Jesse hadn't hit him in the head/caused him to fall on his head, which resulted in the brain swelling, and necessitated the surgery.

I agree.

My point is people are seeing that photo of the guard a massive dent in his head as a result from the brain swelling and will assume a fist couldn't inflict that sort of damage, so a weapon of some sort had to have been used.  My buddy hit his head skating down a hill, had the same skull removal procedure happen, and ended up with a massive dent in his head.

Like I said before, I'm not defending anyone's actions. You shouldn't fight people unless they are threatening your or someone else's life. I'm just in a position where I hearing both sides of the story, while most people are not.

Side note: Do you also post as Donkey Lips? They like using my first name as well.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kookshit on January 04, 2019, 09:30:01 AM
selling my gx1000 gear on eBay to donate to Dan Jansen's GoFundMe.


https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen
 (https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)

Also, funny how GX's website is non-existent
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on January 04, 2019, 09:41:26 AM
No, gx1000store.com is still up.

TKP, your arguments are pointless. Doesn't matter if these dudes used their boards or fists, he's disabled for life due to their actions. I say fuck em.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kookshit on January 04, 2019, 09:44:29 AM
SIMPLY, finally off that big cartel hot garbage

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Vintagebody on January 04, 2019, 09:44:45 AM
If you are stupid enough to punch someone in the head with great force, you must also accept that you might end up with a murder, or ruining someones life.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Bumpovertrash on January 04, 2019, 09:45:24 AM
Crazy times were living in
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: saucy ragu on January 04, 2019, 09:45:55 AM
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If your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.

Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling.

Jesse's court date is today.
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What's your point, Travis? He wouldn't have that massive dent if Jesse hadn't hit him in the head/caused him to fall on his head, which resulted in the brain swelling, and necessitated the surgery.
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I agree.

My point is people are seeing that photo of the guard a massive dent in his head as a result from the brain swelling and will assume a fist couldn't inflict that sort of damage, so a weapon of some sort had to have been used.  My buddy hit his head skating down a hill, had the same skull removal procedure happen, and ended up with a massive dent in his head.

Like I said before, I'm not defending anyone's actions. I'm just in a position where I am able to hear both sides of the story, which most people are not hearing.

Side note: Do you also post as Donkey Lips? They like using my first name as well.

Okay, I see the merit of your point in regards to how Jesse will be charged (assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated assault, etc.), but Dan still fell down because he was hit by Jesse or one of his friends. The assault still happened, Dan didn't trip or fall on his own, according to the security footage. And no, I'm not Donkey Lips though he's a good man.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 09:49:47 AM
No, gx1000store.com is still up.

TKP, your arguments are pointless. Doesn't matter if these dudes used their boards or fists, he's disabled for life due to their actions. I say fuck em.

There's a difference between assault and assault with a deadly weapon.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kookshit on January 04, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
TKP

both are assaults
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: h00man on January 04, 2019, 09:52:55 AM
That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 04, 2019, 09:54:00 AM
selling my gx1000 gear on eBay to donate to Dan Jansen's GoFundMe.


https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen
 (https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)

Also, funny how GX's website is non-existent
I would think the company he works for would have to take of all those medical bills.
Iím sure Iím wrong though.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 10:00:48 AM
TKP

both are assaults

Yes. However, the perception of the crime is changed when someone is told "This person assaulted someone by punching them" vs "This person assaulted someone by hitting them with a skateboard".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, if a weapon was used, jail sentences can be longer.

IE:
You punch someone, get a battery and assault charge.
You punch someone, and hit them with your board. You get battery, assault, and assault with a deadly weapon.

Note: Jesse is facing 3 felony charges. Each one carries X amount of jail time + fine.  This is why every little detail matters.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: History Buff on January 04, 2019, 10:02:16 AM
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selling my gx1000 gear on eBay to donate to Dan Jansen's GoFundMe.


https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen
 (https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)

Also, funny how GX's website is non-existent
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I would think the company he works for would have to take of all those medical bills.
Iím sure Iím wrong though.

since its on the job, the insurance companies will likely cover all expenses and them some for pain and suffering. but that can take 18 months or more to work out. in the meantime dude will have no income, he clearly can't go back to work.

also, because its at an expensive downtown location i bet high money lawyers with sharp teeth will be all over the personal injury case. anybody involved will be sued into oblivion.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kookshit on January 04, 2019, 10:04:58 AM
im sure jail sentences are longer, but they are both assaults and give skateboarding a bad name in a city where skateboarding is thriving. Not to mention the trickle effect nationwide as bigger news outlets may pick this up.

We do not know Dan Jansen's financial situation, but if I or anyone else is able to able, we should. Skateboarding is sick an all and I love it, however I would never care so much to skate a ledge that I would leave someone with brain damage. Its sickening.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Bumpovertrash on January 04, 2019, 10:05:29 AM
That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.
I know man i have a perfect day to skate and no work but this is getting to me.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: The Mess on January 04, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Here's the photo for posterity for anyone who thinks squaring up to skate a spot is worth it.

(https://i.imgur.com/HFS86WD.png?1)




Such a bummer. So lame for skateboarding. So lame for Dan Jansen and his family. So lame for Blackrock. So lame for all of us. Fighting is for kooks.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Fongstarr. on January 04, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: sododgy on January 04, 2019, 10:49:31 AM
Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.

Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 04, 2019, 10:57:44 AM
God damn this is fucking bullshit! I cant believe they resorted to violence to ride a fucking skateboard! Fuck, I wonder how many skaters are going to quit because of this or parents won't let them skateboard...in addition to whatever happens with laws, police, and security going forward. I wonder how much money was on the table for that session...I'm guessing less than zero. Fucking pieces of shit! Industry better talk about it otherwise we will just look really pathetic...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on January 04, 2019, 11:06:30 AM
Dude punched his head hard as he was already laid out. Wasn't enough was it guys?

I always liked GX crew skating, how could you not... But they always tried to be edgy fighting homeowners security and doing shit tags

Just skate dudes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 11:09:06 AM
That photo is fucked. I hope he makes a full recovery, although it doesn't sound promising.

I wonder what is going on with the case. They keep on mentioning the 8 other people, but the cops have to have figured out who most of those 8 people are by now, but we haven't seen any further charges.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Donkey Lips on January 04, 2019, 11:12:15 AM
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TKP

both are assaults
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Yes. However, the perception of the crime is changed when someone is told "This person assaulted someone by punching them" vs "This person assaulted someone by hitting them with a skateboard".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, if a weapon was used, jail sentences can be longer.

IE:
You punch someone, get a battery and assault charge.
You punch someone, and hit them with your board. You get battery, assault, and assault with a deadly weapon aggravated assault, or assault with a deadly weapon..

Your understanding of these is wrong. You can be charged with assault for presenting a threat of physical violence, without actually acting on it. How and when somebody is charged with either of those, varies depending on your state laws and circumstances leading up to the assault.

From posting what-ifs assuming the victim approached this group in the wrong demeanor, to attempting to downplay the severity of the victim's injury Ė you're really starting to look like a super great guy, Travis.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Bagelskate on January 04, 2019, 11:15:15 AM
What do you call a bunch of people beating up one person.

Cowards.

Hope the security guard recovers and is able to lead a normal life.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BayZ on January 04, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
As someone from the bay, I never liked that these fools ďrepresntedĒ Bay Area scene. Every time Iíve ran into those dudes they always gave me a ďIím way more badass than youĒ vibe, honestly Chris Jatoft and Demarcus James have been way more influential and prevalent in my local scene than those GX guys.

But either way this shit sucks, Iím gonna second that I hope that Thrasher or some big company hops on and tries to help dan in this situation. I wonder what itís gonna take the industry to wake up from its adolescent dreams and realize that their is real life out there and we cant live forever as a 13 year old punk. We can rebellious and still have adult morals and an adult perspective on the whole situation, and skateboarding as a whole. I hope dan gets better.
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Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 11:17:01 AM
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Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
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Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
It'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate there
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Post by: nopes on January 04, 2019, 11:20:01 AM
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Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
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Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
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It'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate there

maybe they are putting sf on the map for the millennial and younger generations but sf has always been a skate mecca for as long as i can remember.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
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Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
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Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
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It'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate there
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maybe they are putting sf on the map for the millennial and younger generations but sf has always been a skate mecca for as long as i can remember.
I'd say it brought a newer sort of element of skating to the forefront for SF. Not that hitting spots in to hill bombs is new, but how they were skating the city.  But, SF was the skate mecca all throughout the early 90's with EMB and then Pier 7 being at the forefront of Plaza skating. How many influential skaters have we heard about moving to SF in that era? Jamie Thomas, Scott Johnston, Rob Welsh, Josh Kalis, Bobby Puelo, Lennie Kirk, Ethan Fowler, Mike Daher, and probably 40 other people I'm missing.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
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Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
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Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
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It'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate there
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maybe they are putting sf on the map for the millennial and younger generations but sf has always been a skate mecca for as long as i can remember.
Yes didn't mean to put it as if GX is the ONLY reason. Cause they're obviously not. Just pointing that they do "beautify" SF to people more than one would think
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 04, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
Man really surprised TKP is clinging to his bullshit on this one. You're a fucking kook.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on January 04, 2019, 11:45:43 AM
More on this depressing, sad situation...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y

holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: pointandclick on January 04, 2019, 11:55:37 AM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: slippy on January 04, 2019, 12:09:37 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
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everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.

Absolutely.  Anyone who at all in any way defends any of those fucking people is a complete moron.  Pages and pages of this thread "well hold on we haven't seen the video, we haven't seen the video maybe he punched them first or maybe he was the aggressor."  It's over, end of discussion, these guys suck and should be in the group of skaters who are no longer supported by sponsors and the community.  Fucking this up for everyone and ruining one person's life.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 12:10:55 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
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everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.
They basically all left dude to die. That's fucked. I don't get why people are so heavily specifying what he should actually be charged with. We aren't the jury. All we can judge is whether we think he's a shitty human being, and after watching that, I absolutely think he is. At the end of the day, he knocked a guy down who was simply doing his job who now has life-altering injuries. Whether he hit him with a board/truck or not is irrelevant in how I'll view him or GX1000.

How would anyone here feel if they couldn't skate anymore because you told some assholes to leave? This guy can't do his passion of fishing anymore because Jesse Vierra wanted to skate a ledge or a set of stairs. Hell, he might be lucky if he can recognize and communicate with his family again.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ihatejulio on January 04, 2019, 12:11:12 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
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everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.

What a bunch of cowards. I hope they all never get to skate again and rot in a jail cell.

I can't imagine other skaters in sf are going to be so kind to those gx dickheads after they blew up that spot indefinitely. If the sf skate industry had any integrity left they would fund this guys recovery as a first step to making this right. But they won't, because everyone in the sf skate industry have massive fucking egos and adheres to some "hurr durr sk8 and destroy bro" jock ass mentality. (And yes, Thiebaud is the exception)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: gub on January 04, 2019, 12:11:51 PM
Industry better talk about it

Hah, good one
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Post by: Fongstarr. on January 04, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
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Damn....that is a terrible photo.


Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
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Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?

I didn't mean the sole thing but just saying that their vids provide a unique style that seems to be only done out in SF. Of course there are many other skaters and just locals in general doing a good job out here but the main reason why I even liked the GX guys is cause they mostly film our here. I even like those Brute guys too. Hell...I like everyone out here. What do I know.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kookshit on January 04, 2019, 12:18:13 PM
just know that if you copped something from the new drop, money will likely go to one of these fucktards lawyers rather than to support Dan Jansen's GoFundMe for a guy who cant even RECOGNIZE his OWN family. Vote with your money. Fuck this shit.
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Post by: DirtyCheddarKids on January 04, 2019, 12:21:42 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
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everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.

I hope they all get charged. And the GX1000 IG account has been posting in a business as usual manner after what has happened...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 12:23:18 PM
I've already said I'm not defending the actions of the skaters and you should not fight unless your life / well being is literally on the line. The whole time I've only been interested in hearing all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions.

I am involved in a field of security that involves the duties of security guards. The skaters were breaking the law by skating a spot on private property, but that happens all the time. Situations where the security guard ends up getting into a fight and sustaining life threatening injuries over this do not. I would like to know all the actions of the guards so that situations like this do not arise again in the future. Particularly what was said. Knowing what led to the escalation will matter in a court room.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tortfeasor on January 04, 2019, 12:25:22 PM
i want to revisit my comment earlier
and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).


and add that it is very interesting timing for the release of that surveillance video.  right as the defense attorney says hes going to play a tape exonerating his client in court.  also even with that absurd time cut that tape is probably more harmful than helpful to the government's case.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: slippy on January 04, 2019, 12:28:30 PM
I've already said I'm not defending the actions of the skaters and you should not fight unless your life / well being is literally on the line. The whole time I've only been interested in hearing all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions.

I am involved in a field of security that involves the duties of security guards. The skaters were breaking the law by skating a spot on private property, but that happens all the time. Situations where the security guard ends up getting into a fight and sustaining life threatening injuries over this do not. I would like to know all the actions of the guards so that situations like this do not arise again in the future. Particularly what was said. Knowing what led to the escalation will matter in a court room.

I can see where you're coming from but doesn't seeing the video make it a little more clear?  Even if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line starting and ending with Jesse?  I am completely willing to play devils advocate but it seems hard to understand any world that they aren't the bad guys here
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
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everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.
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I hope they all get charged. And the GX1000 IG account has been posting in a business as usual manner after what has happened...
You're surprised? Just because some people blew it doesn't mean they're going to stop. One thing i noticed is there's no filmer wearing all white in the surveillance cam, as there is in the "suspects" flyer. I'm sure there's homie support but in this case, every man for himself
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 04, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
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Hah, good one

Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 12:45:59 PM
Even if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line


I just rewatched the security footage and noticed something I missed. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.

For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.

Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation / retaliated.

However, this video does prove they did not start the fight.
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Post by: shit_for_brains on January 04, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
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Even if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line
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Go back and watch the security cam footage. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.

For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.

Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation, but the video does show they did not instigate the violence.

Are they holding you hostage and forcing you to suck their dicks or what's going on with you
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
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Hah, good one
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Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
I don't think anyone associated with Thrasher is going to touch anything related to this such as Skateline NDB. My guess is they are already worried about their own liability considering they probably have Gershall as some sort of employee or contractor.

I'm sure a personal injury lawyer would love that case and insist that Thrasher has helped fuel a culture where behavior like this can happen (I mean, they just named a SOTY who is constantly shown bickering with security and moving guard rails around, which led to this incident). No idea if they can get it to gain traction though.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 12:49:16 PM
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Even if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line
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Go back and watch the security cam footage. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.

For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.

Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation, but the video does show they did not instigate the violence.
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Are they holding you hostage and forcing you to suck their dicks or what's going on with you

I'm having a critical eye towards how authority is being portrayed by the media in the United States of America. Not accepting the story strangers are telling me when I am hearing otherwise from more reliable sources?

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 04, 2019, 12:49:28 PM
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Hah, good one
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Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
Jim Thiebaud should make a 'hanging violent skater' graphic.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 04, 2019, 12:50:45 PM
TKP, again, big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
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Even if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line
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Go back and watch the security cam footage. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.

For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.

Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation, but the video does show they did not instigate the violence.
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Are they holding you hostage and forcing you to suck their dicks or what's going on with you
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I'm having a critical eye towards how authority is being portrayed by the media in the United States of America. Not accepting the story strangers are telling me when I am hearing otherwise from more reliable sources?
You do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.

What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 12:55:00 PM
You do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?

I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on January 04, 2019, 12:56:34 PM
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Hah, good one
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Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
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I agree that I could see Gary offering some actual level headed advice along the lines of "chill the fuck out before you spend years in prison", but the minute anyone talks about skateboarding as a single thing "what's good for skateboarding" or "the image of skateboarding" you will instantly lose everyone who is actually out there skating.

lol
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 01:02:16 PM
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
Even if that isn't their goal, they may just be having trouble actually accepting what happened. If they are friends with Jesse, I doubt they want to believe he's a ruthless brute who beat a guy into a coma for just being asked to leave a spot.

At the end of the day, this guy has life-altering injuries. Whatever mistake he made, nothing should lead to that result for asking trespassers to leave. At first, he just appears to be moving the guardrails, and they keep moving them away. I wouldn't be surprised if he's encountered them a shitload of times over 10 years working there, and them hassling to stay skating the spot isn't a regular occurrence. Hell, we have a clip of a GX1000 skater skating into a fucking security guard there because they wouldn't move off the stairs. Even if what they did was accidental, they still left a dude to basically die there if no one else intervened.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on January 04, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I know you already mentioned this TKP but if you are really splitting hairs this thin you can go back from the beginning and say they should not have been skating there in the first place. Them deciding to go there knowing security is extremely heavy there knew that they were gonna be met with some kind of altercation puts them at fault from the beginning. The security guard would have never had to kick them out had they not decided to go there and he would probably still be working there today without a care in the world and none of this would have happened. Again this all stems from them deciding to go somewhere they were not permitted to be. You can then go back and fourth and who did what right or wrong after the fact but again this could have all been prevented from the get go.

I get youíre looking out for your ďpalsĒ but take yourself out of their skater shoes and look at the big picture.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: h00man on January 04, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
Industry heads are definitely looking into this thread.

Not going to support GX anymore. Pretending as if nothing happened. They should be footing the bill for this poor dude's medical bills.

Fuck everyone that thinks differently.

How would you feel if this was your loved one. Just imagine if it were your mom. Dad. Girlfriend. Who fucking cares if the guard "started" the fight. He has every fucking right to be doing his god damn job and preventing low IQ punk ass wood riders from damaging the business property he works for.

god fucking dammit.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ihateyouto on January 04, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
Wow, all them pussies really ran? Fuck GX
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: E on January 04, 2019, 01:17:25 PM
Glad this came out before I bought anything GX1000.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 04, 2019, 01:21:21 PM
I'm reading all of your input. Perhaps I'm one of the few "industry" people to comment on here even though I don't really associate myself as being too involved in it.

I'm not trying to make anyone look cool nor do I come here representing a brand, I come here as an individual with my own thoughts and view points on skateboarding.

If I had more time right now I would keep responding. From what I know there was a court session today and we shall learn more over time from it.

We should keep going deep into the logistics of street skateboarding and interacting with people who want us to stop. I think it's a wise direction for skateboarding as a whole to acknowledge those moments so we don't have situations like this where many lives are ruined over property damage.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: euro tm on January 04, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsOjYbnlMqw/

mackenzie isehour of transworld just posted this. i wasnít aware of how bad it was until i saw this. so fucked up.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nonickname on January 04, 2019, 01:31:54 PM
I'm old as fuck and have little understanding of media shit but after just a cursory glance at this crew after reading this garbage why isn't their various IG accounts getting bombed with comments like "great clip, thankfully no one was beat up and left in a coma for it!" by everyone here? If the pressure was ramped up for others in that fashion (j.j, and no not saying they are the same) to get their sponsors thinking about supporting them, then why is it "business as usual" as someone mentioned for these guys?
And no not trying to start an argument just thinking out loud here as a guy who is wondering what shit is coming to.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 04, 2019, 01:43:31 PM
Kudos to Mackenzie for speaking out about it. I think it's ironic that Tony Vitello was just on the cover of the San Francisco Chronicle and showed up for the bail hearing for Jesse a couple weeks ago. In the video from the courthouse Tony sure did look to be avoiding that news camera. Maybe because he was listed as an executive producer for the last GX video.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 04, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
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Hah, good one
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Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
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I agree that I could see Gary offering some actual level headed advice along the lines of "chill the fuck out before you spend years in prison", but the minute anyone talks about skateboarding as a single thing "what's good for skateboarding" or "the image of skateboarding" you will instantly lose everyone who is actually out there skating.
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lol

Your lol made me lol...A segment would be cool but I was thinking a quick statement on the screen and the end of the video.

I just remembered didn't Josh Kalis at Love Park bribe police and security with product? Boy have times changed...I wonder if pros from other regions did something similar...

I remember 90s code of conduct was not to blow up spot and ruin it for others. So really the industry should have zero tolerance, but I guess they've changed.

My honest opinion, the gx1000 videos are cool, but I've never seen them as authentic hill bombers. They've always seemed like skate park jocks putting a skate park jock effort into skating hills. That's how it aesthetically looks to me anyways. I'm in my mid 30's so a hill bomber traditioanlly imo is kind of its own genre like street or vert. Just my personal observation.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Chapingro on January 04, 2019, 01:54:07 PM
I just watched the video in this news link. Skateboard to the head? A half dozen (or more) dudes against a rent a cop? What a bunch of bitches. I've been a GX fan but this is some bitch ass shit. I'm gonna bring this up to as a discussion point with every skater i know. This should never have happened and should never happen again. I hope that all the kooks who were involved with this have trouble sleeping at night and face repercussions that are appropriate for their level of involvement. I'm open to changing my mind but that's how I see it now. Will keep reading the thread to see other perspectives. Fuck this bitch ass shit.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SneakySecrets on January 04, 2019, 01:56:32 PM
I'm gonna bring this up to everyone I see from now on

Do you really think the old lady behind you in line at the grocery store is going to want to hear about this?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
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Do you really think the old lady behind you in line at the grocery store is going to want to hear about this?
"Sorry that you didn't find the cereal you were looking for but did you hear about GX?"
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 04, 2019, 02:01:29 PM
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I just rewatched the security footage and noticed something I missed. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.

For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.

Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation / retaliated.

However, this video does prove they did not start the fight.
Old guy swinging his foot or shaking his fist is 100% irrelevant to the situation.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Chapingro on January 04, 2019, 02:06:40 PM
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.

Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Chapingro on January 04, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
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I'm gonna bring this up to everyone I see from now on
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Do you really think the old lady behind you in line at the grocery store is going to want to hear about this?
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"Sorry that you didn't find the cereal you were looking for but did you hear about GX?"

I already brought it up to my social worker when I was in line getting my EBT form updated and they were outraged. #smallvictories
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 02:10:08 PM
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I just rewatched the security footage and noticed something I missed. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.

For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.

Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation / retaliated.

However, this video does prove they did not start the fight.
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Old guy swinging his foot or shaking his fist is 100% irrelevant to the situation.
I've never experienced a security at black rock being a dick. They all would give us last tries or even time to skate and turn their head the other way, which is why it was a hot spot, even during the week while it's lunch hour. No matter who did what first, security there have done so many favors for skaters and it's fucked that it got taken for granted like that
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: History Buff on January 04, 2019, 02:17:30 PM
Kudos to Mackenzie for speaking out about it. I think it's ironic that Tony Vitello was just on the cover of the San Francisco Chronicle and showed up for the bail hearing for Jesse a couple weeks ago. In the video from the courthouse Tony sure did look to be avoiding that news camera. Maybe because he was listed as an executive producer for the last GX video.

Maybe he is avoiding news cameras because his father built a skateboard empire on drug money
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: PC Principal on January 04, 2019, 02:23:49 PM
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TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
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What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
Bro I couldnít agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shit_for_brains on January 04, 2019, 02:41:04 PM
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Kudos to Mackenzie for speaking out about it. I think it's ironic that Tony Vitello was just on the cover of the San Francisco Chronicle and showed up for the bail hearing for Jesse a couple weeks ago. In the video from the courthouse Tony sure did look to be avoiding that news camera. Maybe because he was listed as an executive producer for the last GX video.
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Maybe he is avoiding news cameras because his father built a skateboard empire on drug money

Drugs are awesome nobody cares
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TheLurper on January 04, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
The NBC video states that Jesse has video footage that would show he is not the instigator of the incident and it would be displayed in court on Friday (today). Did anyone go down to the court house to see what was shown in court today?

(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 04, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
The NBC video states that Jesse has video footage that would show he is not the instigator of the incident and it would be displayed in court on Friday (today). Did anyone go down to the court house to see what was shown in court today?

(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)
There must have been a 2nd skateboard smasher on the grassy knoll. The only way to exculpate Jesse is by pushing someone else in front of the bus.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ihatejulio on January 04, 2019, 03:28:57 PM
The NBC video states that Jesse has video footage that would show he is not the instigator of the incident and it would be displayed in court on Friday (today). Did anyone go down to the court house to see what was shown in court today?

(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)

After the whole Jason Jesse nonreporting debacle, it's painfully obvious that current skate media is solely focused on hero worship rather than publicizing a story that makes skaters look bad. Speaking out gets you blacklisted and ostracized.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: expired on January 04, 2019, 04:06:58 PM
This is terrible, I hate the fact a group of grown men that are skateboarders choose to gang up on a security guard double their age, doing his job.

Also in the video posted by the news they quickly showed 8 other skateboarders being looked for, I couldn't make anyone out but hopefully no other skaters that are part of GX
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 04, 2019, 04:14:38 PM
Brian Delatorre is suspect seven on the flyer. Which we've known for weeks now but no one is really talking about him.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 04, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
Brian Delatorre is suspect seven on the flyer. Which we've known for weeks now but no one is really talking about him.
He should hide out here, he'll be safe for sure.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: OwlGreen on January 04, 2019, 04:16:10 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsOjYbnlMqw/


Broooooooo... You're basically a fucking murderer.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: OwlGreen on January 04, 2019, 04:19:30 PM
Brian Delatorre is suspect seven on the flyer. Which we've known for weeks now but no one is really talking about him.

GX machismo ruinin' fuckin' lives...  :o :o
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on January 04, 2019, 04:20:53 PM
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TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
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What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?

Sure minorities can be treated unfairly by the police but that doesn't make it okay for skaters to maim someone who is working a minimum wage job or anyone else for that matter grow the fuck up.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: whaaaaat on January 04, 2019, 04:25:30 PM
Damn, I haven't opened this thread since it started and have had "Roll Up" on repeat all the while.  What a bummer of a situation.  Definitely makes me not hyped on the GX stuff.  Count me among the people who've street skated (for 20 years, many of them in SF) and have never had to get physical with a security guard.  And I'm sure I've encountered every type - from the cool "hate to do this but it's my job" type to the rambo dude just dying to put some kid in a headlock.  But who the hell wants to get in a fight when you could just go skate another spot?  A bunch of lives ruined over a skateboard clip. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 04, 2019, 04:30:36 PM
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(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)
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After the whole Jason Jesse nonreporting debacle, it's painfully obvious that current skate media is solely focused on hero worship rather than publicizing a story that makes skaters look bad. Speaking out gets you blacklisted and ostracized.

Thats because skate media is selling a brand which is selling a lifestyle more or less. Can you imagine if the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS manipulated all non amateur and non professionals athletes/participants to behave a certain way when they play basketball, throw a football, or kick a soccer ball? So why is skateboarding like that? I feel there is a big difference between skateboarding/skateboarder than the skate industry, especially nowadays. Back in the day not so much because the amount of skateboarding and skateboarders was comparable in size to the skate industry.

Now the skateboard industry is tiny compared to the amount of skaters and skateboarders, so it's really two different worlds, I think the current and new generation needs to recognize that...Support the industry but don't let them tell you how to ride your skateboard, thats up to you...On that note I think this incident can be linked in a weird way that there are too many and a growing number of participants in skating...as the populations grows it will bring in other shit, good and bad...So to attack a company or business for this behavior probably isn't the best thing to do, but voices from the skate industry being silent is not good...and back to mainstream sports those pro athletes, probably because they are paid so much aren't afraid to stand up to their industry and call them out either, or speak out about whats going on politically or globally. But our guys with millions of followers on social media, it's just posting another trick and selling a t shirt. I'm glad I got to skate when I did, the present and future look shitty. Hopefully this is a wake up call.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: jakedilla on January 04, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
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TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
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What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
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Bro I couldnít agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.

Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: PC Principal on January 04, 2019, 06:06:36 PM
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TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
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What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
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Bro I couldnít agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.
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Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.
You want to go bro?! Because Iíll go!? Btw I was looking at your picture and have you ever heard of cultural appropriation?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Sidewalk Funk. on January 04, 2019, 06:18:44 PM
I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cheetahsheets on January 04, 2019, 06:43:15 PM
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TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
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What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
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Bro I couldnít agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.
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Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.
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You want to go bro?! Because Iíll go!? Btw I was looking at your picture and have you ever heard of cultural appropriation?
Iím backing PC Principal, not that he needs a spotter. Heís not the hero slap wants, but heís the hero that slap needs.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Budgie Lasek on January 04, 2019, 06:46:23 PM
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Makaveli on January 04, 2019, 06:48:44 PM
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I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...
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This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 04, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
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TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.

You are grasping for straws.
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What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
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Bro I couldnít agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.
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Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.
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You want to go bro?! Because Iíll go!? Btw I was looking at your picture and have you ever heard of cultural appropriation?
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Iím backing PC Principal, not that he needs a spotter. Heís not the hero slap wants, but heís the hero that slap needs.
Amen to that. He is Slap's conscience and soul. As to walking away after knocking out the guard, maybe they called 911 but they most likely were unaware of the extent of his injuries. If they'd stuck around, likely all of them would be held without bail until they turned against the one with the longest record and testified against him for their freedom.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on January 04, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
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I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...
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This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Well according to TKP he needs to see the other angle of the footage and more sides of the story before he makes his final decision regarding his "friends" who didn't start it.......He thinks its a bad situation all around but lets look at all the facts first you know because that's what everyone here cares about ....not the victim.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ticklefingers on January 04, 2019, 06:58:00 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php?t=909d895844

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But Doug Rappaport, Vieiraís defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has bombshell evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.

High-definition video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.

Thatís when Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.

ďJesse was only defending himself here,Ē he said. ďThe security guard fell to the ground and hit his head. Itís tragic. Itís tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.Ē

Judge Coffese, though, disagreed with Rappaportís assessment, saying Vieira ďchose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasnít involved.Ē
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 04, 2019, 07:18:30 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php?t=909d895844

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But Doug Rappaport, Vieiraís defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has bombshell evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.

High-definition video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.

Thatís when Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.

ďJesse was only defending himself here,Ē he said. ďThe security guard fell to the ground and hit his head. Itís tragic. Itís tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.Ē

Judge Coffese, though, disagreed with Rappaportís assessment, saying Vieira ďchose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasnít involved.Ē
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So they were trespassing and told to leave, repeatedly removed the barricades, some dude who was skating there punched the guard, he got up trying to defend himself around 8 people hit the wrong dude, and the person who threw him to the ground isn't liable even though they chose to stick around and fuel the incident? That doesn't sound like a great defense.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Budgie Lasek on January 04, 2019, 07:53:23 PM
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I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...
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This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.

I'd assume SFPD probably figured out the identities of who they needed to by now, especially since dude's lawyer is talking about the footage from  Garshell's camera. Pro skaters and a filmer that are known around the world - there's no way they could remain anonymous.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: labor on January 04, 2019, 09:27:35 PM
I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 09:36:42 PM
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I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...
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This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.
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I'd assume SFPD probably figured out the identities of who they needed to by now, especially since dude's lawyer is talking about the footage from  Garshell's camera. Pro skaters and a filmer that are known around the world - there's no way they could remain anonymous.
Any closer angle would show more of what happened in the situation and if RG filmed it then I'm sure the footage will prove who really attacked the security guard and who put him in the hospital. No matter what, someone is getting fucked even if the security attacked first
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 04, 2019, 09:36:57 PM
I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.

Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: labor on January 04, 2019, 09:57:57 PM
Sure. Or maybe Kelch didnít beat up 57 year old security guards with the help 7 other people. Sure he fought, but Iíve heard he was much more the square up type. Fighting is bad. But gang beating an old man is a different level.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Cool Ceith on January 04, 2019, 10:19:42 PM
The media coverage hasn't missed an opportunity to label the attackers "skateboarders." Sure, they were skaters but after that's mentioned 3 or 4 times it becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cloudy on January 04, 2019, 10:21:06 PM
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I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.
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Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?

templeton saying "it's justified when a security guard assaults a skater"?

(https://i.imgur.com/0bZsZ6F.png)

the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?

(https://i.imgur.com/Js9FRPo.png)

https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 04, 2019, 10:25:45 PM
the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?

(https://i.imgur.com/Js9FRPo.png)

https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)
Damn "worried in sf" made an account just to post that too
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: VHS ERA on January 04, 2019, 10:36:34 PM
That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.

Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless youíre the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldnít be saying youíre ashamed to skate.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: VHS ERA on January 04, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Arguing/pleading with cops and security is part of the culture and will always be. This is a reminder that itís not worth swinging on them no matter how much of an annoying dweeb they are.

SOTY 2018 and others take notice. Tyshawn is my favorite new skater after Ishod and he approached the line of fighting security in Blessed. Honestly if it wasnít for this story I wouldnít have gave af, but itís not worth it, we need like a decade more TJ parts no court cases.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: euro tm on January 04, 2019, 10:56:31 PM
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I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.
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Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?
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templeton saying "it's justified when a security guard assaults a skater"?

(https://i.imgur.com/0bZsZ6F.png)

the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?

(https://i.imgur.com/Js9FRPo.png)

https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)

i think you're taking ed's comment out of context. if you look at his previous comments in that post you'll grasp what he meant. i'm not justifying anything that happened in this situation but i've definitely had security guards get out of hand while my friends and i were being polite and leaving. it's happened to everyone (almost everyone) in this thread. i'm just glad a majority of us haven't used out board as a weapon. that's fucking insane to me. i've met jesse. he was a really nice kid so this comes as a huge shock to me. there's a lot of speculation and bullshit arguments coming out of this that shouldn't be mentioned. this man currently has half of a goddamn head. we as a community need to show some goddamn sympathy instead of arguing.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: VHS ERA on January 04, 2019, 11:07:15 PM
I havenít read the whole thread, was the rest of the crew there mostly GX1000 or who were they?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Lord Viper Scorpion on January 04, 2019, 11:11:43 PM
what's really sad about this whole situation, is that this guy will never be the head of a major corporation
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: markerman666 on January 04, 2019, 11:33:54 PM
I was reading up on this and it was Jesse Vieira from pizza who was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: expired on January 04, 2019, 11:36:26 PM
The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 04, 2019, 11:45:52 PM
I think GX is somewhat at fault too because you know damn well if the security guard wasn't injured and they all walked away from the scuffle (security included) GX would use the footage in their next video.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: expired on January 04, 2019, 11:52:23 PM
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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.
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Hey Daryl - watch the fucking video or read a little bit. No one hit him in the head with a truck.

Because my sig is making fun of Daryl "retiring" makes me him.
I watched the video and read, there were a lot of comments about him getting hit with a truck or a board, in the video you can see someone hitting him with something that isn't a fist.

Also you joined after the JJ issue, you didn't go through so many pages of Daryl being deleted for his abuse.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 05, 2019, 12:16:03 AM
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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.
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Hey Daryl - watch the fucking video or read a little bit. No one hit him in the head with a truck.
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Because my sig is making fun of Daryl "retiring" makes me him.
I watched the video and read, there were a lot of comments about him getting hit with a truck or a board, in the video you can see someone hitting him with something that isn't a fist.

Also you joined after the JJ issue, you didn't go through so many pages of Daryl being deleted for his abuse.
We've only seen a cut video of it. But, even Jesse's attorney admits a board was swung at the guy by Jesse and that it was him who threw him to the ground. The statement also seems to make it clear that it was another skateboarder and not the security guard who started the fight.

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But Doug Rappaport, Vieiraís defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.

Video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.

Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.

ďThe security guard fell to the ground and hit his head,Ē he said. ďItís tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.Ē

As for the others, they left a dude critically injured. If you did nothing, then call a fucking ambulance. That's better than leaving right away because you can't deal with a day of being arrested til being cleared by security tapes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Tyroneshoelaces on January 05, 2019, 12:38:50 AM
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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.
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They left a guy for dead because they were afraid to get arrested. They are cowards.

DROP THEM OFF AT THE BERRICS AND LET CHASE GABOR AT THAT ASS WITH A SCREWDRIVER
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Roisto on January 05, 2019, 01:18:18 AM

the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?

(https://i.imgur.com/Js9FRPo.png)

https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)

Well, this guy sure knows statistics!


On the topic as a whole:
This is 100% fucked. I know that resorting to violence in a heated situation can be way too easy, especially if you fail to think that the consequences might be really serious, like they are in this case. I'm pretty much always against violence and yet I've done it myself (edit: not towards a security guard but a crazy dude attacking me with a knife). That doesn't make it any more right. I'm saying it because I think it's something everyone should think about. No matter how peaceful you are in your mind.

Running away like cowards is definitely shameful too.

I personally never liked cops or security guards but the best solution is to just get the fuck out and not throw punches and then flee.

I hope a full recovery for the security guard and that the people responsible for doing this will pay for what they did. I hope skateboarding as a whole condemns all sort of violence glorification. All sort of confrontational in your face shit too. Sure you can tell a guard to fuck off if he's being a total fucking asshole while skating away but that's it. Everything above that is too much and not something our culture or the world needs at all.

edit 2: I would also like to see skateboarding as a community supporting this guy in his recovery. Probably easiest through donations. Making it clear as a group that this is not who we are and that we are very sorry some shitbags in our culture did this.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: h00man on January 05, 2019, 01:43:02 AM
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That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.
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Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless youíre the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldnít be saying youíre ashamed to skate.


I know what you mean, but if you realize that they basically ruined this man's life for a skateboard trick....

Arguing and pleading is fine. Tyshawn got my vote.

Assaulting and nearly killing a man for doing his job is another story

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BALARGUE on January 05, 2019, 02:01:44 AM
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That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.
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Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless youíre the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldnít be saying youíre ashamed to skate.
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I know what you mean, but if you realize that they basically ruined this man's life for a skateboard trick....

Arguing and pleading is fine. Tyshawn got my vote.

Assaulting and nearly killing a man for doing his job is another story

Magnifying Tyshawn's behaviour is at fault too

it's just acting dumb (whatever it means) for a trick

blaming jesse is fine (he probably regrets not taking 5 sec to question the possible consequences of  hitting the guard)
but it only makes sense if you blame those who act similarly or show "violent" security altercations like it's part of skateboarding or like it's fun.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: feedmeseymour on January 05, 2019, 04:56:20 AM
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the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?

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https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)
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Damn "worried in sf" made an account just to post that too

I made an account a few weeks ago and still canít figure out how to post on that forum. Itís set up so weird.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on January 05, 2019, 05:15:03 AM
The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.
All of this is a certified hot take, but saying the dude who had first and last trick in their latest video isn't GX is my favorite stretch of logic in this post. As for saying Dela, RG did nothing wrong, that's debatable, but they definitely didn't do anything right in this scenario.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 05, 2019, 05:18:31 AM
I wouldnít have been surprised at all is Na-kal had been the one to do this.
Someone needs to have a real talk with that guy about how he treats people kicking him out of spots.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: honey island on January 05, 2019, 05:21:52 AM
as someone who lost a friend to a coward's punch, and a group of 3 leaving him for dead, when medical assistance could've saved him, seeing those 8 flee, like that makes me really fucking angry. utterly disgusting human beings.




Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BMCsteve on January 05, 2019, 05:30:15 AM
This whole fucking thing is tragic but I just want to know when the pals should get into a digital fight with the security guard forum. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on January 05, 2019, 05:57:24 AM
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I havenít read the whole thread, was the rest of the crew there mostly GX1000 or who were they?
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It's completely unknown. There is a bunch of people handing out flyers with ultra low res photos of unidentified people who don't even match the people in the video. I think I saw Woody Allen and Neckface for sure. Possibly Peter Sellers, but that doesn't really make sense ...

Whats your agenda for lack of a better term here, you posted this like 10 times in multiple threads but now you're defending?

The only logical thing to do is send your concerns and complaints to USA Skateboarding - "The recognized governing body for skateboarding in the USA". They'll be glad to consider your recommendations and get this thing straightened out, for the good of skateboarders and security guards alike. Ask for Neal or Gary - they'll be happy to speak with you.

http://usaskateboarding.net/

Thanks for your support,
The Skateboarding Community
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: augustmoon on January 05, 2019, 06:10:47 AM
"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured.  Also, if a group of people are skating a spot and something like this happens, is everybody there culpable?  If i see a cop/security approaching, i just leave.  if someone else skating the spot after i leave (someone i might not even know) swings on security, am I now part of a gang beating?  It seems like a physical altercation erupted between two people with 8 people total present.  Whoever it was swung on the guard, the guard fell and hit his head, everybody left, which is what most of you would do despite whatever it is you are saying on here.  If it would have been apparent how hurt the guy was, im sure (i hope) someone would have called an ambulance. 

I still don't think any of this will matter when this goes to court though.  just the fact that they're skaters and the guy was in a position of authority, they're going to hammer them hard no matter what the circumstances are. 

whatever, i could be wrong, but i'm just trying to go on the limited information that's available.  i'm just saying, its not like GX1000 as a collective ganged up and beat this guy half to death.  They're saying they have video evidence that no one hit him with a board. 

Any time you swing on somebody, there's a chance they can hit their head on the ground and end up brain damaged/dead.  It happens in bar fights all the time.  Its never a good idea unless you need to seriously defend yourself.  Its really tragic, and that guy doesn't deserve this.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Allen. on January 05, 2019, 06:19:43 AM
"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured. 

Yeah he might have just fallen asleep

All of your argument is bullshit.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 05, 2019, 07:59:49 AM
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"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured. 
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Yeah he might have just fallen asleep

All of your argument is bullshit.
This is so fucked, and for fucks sake if you punch somenone and he stays on the ground after that it is basic human shit to atleast check out if dudeís still alive...
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: skylarking on January 05, 2019, 08:42:01 AM
selfishly, I want to continue enjoy what my main interest for the last 20 years has been, which has been skateboarding. what we do and love in skating is dependent upon using public and private space/property, and for the most part has been done without these kind of disastrous results or horrific actions from skateboarders.  This may change the future and existence of street skating as we know it, it may have little to no effect on skating laws/security procedure, it is certainly too early too tell.  what is certain, is that this man, dan jansen, he will never have the opportunity to get up on a saturday and do what his passion in life is (I am sure some of you probably also looked at his youtube fishing videos), or even to a high likelihood lead a normal, functional, and independent life.  for me, that hurts and is even shameful to feel like I have a connection, even only remotely, because I skateboard.  sure, like most of you, I have never had any physical altercation with a guard or authority figure in several decades of skating, and also like most of you, I have encountered many guards, police officers, etc. who have been the aggressors, or worse were looking for engaging in a physical match.  I have to be very honest in saying it was not difficult to avoid these altercations.  I for one never had anyone stop me from walking, running, or skating away, and most of the time, a genuine conversation ended with polite waves and the guards walking away with a better understanding of what we actually do as skateboarders, and less of a generalized mindset that skateboarders are hellions, only skating to partake in vandalism or start fights.

while the dialogue, debate, and thoughts here do not directly control the outcome of this situation, I do hope that we as skateboarders, look at this tragic incident and re-evaluate the reality of situations in skating, and make sure something like this never happens again.  I can think of no tricks or video projects in skating that are worth the loss of an unrelated, innocent person's life, make no mistake about it, dan jansen although alive, has lost his life.  we have no entitlement or right to the space we strive to use for skating, when on someone else's property.  I believe what we do street skating is an art, when the intent is to create. that intent is based on using space and objects for a purpose even above ourselves, that is what good art seems to accomplish in my opinion- changing the viewer's perspective.  sadly, I believe this changes a lot of viewer's perspective of skateboarding, and obviously not in a good way.

regardless of whether or not street skating is affected by this incident, the majority of us will soon be dealing with security or authority figures who will assume or want to believe we are the same type of people as the skateboarders at black rock who left a man for dead on the ground.  the people who assume this will quite possibly initiate aggression toward us out of either fear or what they may consider is justified anger.  I can only hope that we avoid matching their aggression.  the criminal proceedings will carry out independent of our opinions here, and I respect the right for all opinions.  I would be lying if I said that of all the opinions here, that many do not represent or rationalize negative and dangerous behavior, and diminish what actually happened at black rock.  reasonable people can have differences in what they see in this one particular video, but I believe this much is evident: skateboarders greatly outnumbering the guard chose to run toward the point of attack, as opposed to leave- the video clearly show that.  I understand that you take care of and watch out for your friends, but I do not see how anyone going in to either partake in the fight or even be close just in case can be justified based on one 57 year old man against 6-8 20-30 yr old skateboarders in superior physicality.  I also cannot believe, and more importantly will not try to rationalize this security guard as the aggressor, he looks pretty calm moving the barriers several times.  sure, he probably got tired of doing so, and its possible that he has played this game before, and may take some of that residual frustration out on this particular day.  the problem, I can think of nothing he could have said to warrant a group attack, no matter how vulgar or insulting it may have been.  was he trying to take someone's board before the first hit? even if, I think still fails to produce a single ounce of justification.  Ultimately, from the yet unidentified people who laid hands on the guard, it is clear someone throws their best george foreman, sparing any legal discussions, that is simply WRONG.  Even after that, the skateboarders in the video continue to engage, not leave.  when the guard gets up and kicks and throws wild jabs, for anyone to say they then attack out of self-defense...is the guard not defending himself? 

i have no idea who exactly did what, and again people with better evidence will determine that.  I really just chose to dig up my slap account from probably a decade ago to ask anyone who is not sickened by this to consider looking back at what you do as a person and skateboarder.  the balance and power has and will probably always be against skateboarding, and yes the frequency of skateboarders hurt or attacked by authority figures exponentially towers the reverse role.  that cannot justify ever feeling like it is ok or justified to do what happened here.  as a street skateboarder, you win when you get your clip, and you get your clip when you out wit your opponent.  no one will win in this story.  I hope that as a community we can help dan jansen through donations and thoughts, and so that we can show we are not savage beasts looking for this exact scenario.  again, I also hope we are all careful understanding that authority figures could be extra aggressive in their near future toward us based on this incident, please be safe everyone and apologies for the long post, I could not resist.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: EXTRA SPICY on January 05, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
Gip gip gip gip

We see you Gipper
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: slobplant on January 05, 2019, 09:03:04 AM
Was curious as to how the fuck gx1000 instagram isn't blowing up. Turns out they turned the comments of. Hopefully no one buys their stupid vhs tapes.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ihatejulio on January 05, 2019, 10:21:04 AM
"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured.  Also, if a group of people are skating a spot and something like this happens, is everybody there culpable?  If i see a cop/security approaching, i just leave.  if someone else skating the spot after i leave (someone i might not even know) swings on security, am I now part of a gang beating?  It seems like a physical altercation erupted between two people with 8 people total present.  Whoever it was swung on the guard, the guard fell and hit his head, everybody left, which is what most of you would do despite whatever it is you are saying on here. If it would have been apparent how hurt the guy was, im sure (i hope) someone would have called an ambulance. 

I still don't think any of this will matter when this goes to court though.  just the fact that they're skaters and the guy was in a position of authority, they're going to hammer them hard no matter what the circumstances are. 

whatever, i could be wrong, but i'm just trying to go on the limited information that's available.  i'm just saying, its not like GX1000 as a collective ganged up and beat this guy half to death.  They're saying they have video evidence that no one hit him with a board. 

Any time you swing on somebody, there's a chance they can hit their head on the ground and end up brain damaged/dead.  It happens in bar fights all the time.  Its never a good idea unless you need to seriously defend yourself.  Its really tragic, and that guy doesn't deserve this.

Nope, most of us wouldn't put ourselves in that situation in the first place let alone leave a man to die in the street. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
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You do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
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Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
In court it matters.   Passion is the enemy of percision.  The truth shall set you free.  It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even  ur worst enemy.  -Basic type shit. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hypnotoad on January 05, 2019, 11:25:44 AM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.

  What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean?   And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shit_for_brains on January 05, 2019, 12:16:46 PM
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
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Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
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In court it matters.   Passion is the enemy of percision.  The truth shall set you free.  It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even  ur worst enemy.  -Basic type shit.

Come on
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
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Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
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In court it matters.   Passion is the enemy of percision.  The truth shall set you free.  It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even  ur worst enemy.  -Basic type shit.
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Come on
  Shit!  Before i replied i thought id look up the spelling of percision an found that id misspelt it.  But cause i clicked on the defenition and read it, the irony of the bad spelling hit me and it was trippy.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 12:38:04 PM
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
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Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
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In court it matters.   Passion is the enemy of percision.  The truth shall set you free.  It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even  ur worst enemy.  -Basic type shit.
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Come on
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That is some ironic shit - especially when talking down to people.
Ha its not ironic cause im a passionate person!
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hypnotoad on January 05, 2019, 12:45:58 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
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  What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean?   And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.

That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.

Point is, fighting is for dipshits who canít control their emotions, and waiting for the ďwhole storyĒ isnít super important when someone brained someone else.  There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that donít end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head.  Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.
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Post by: shit_for_brains on January 05, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
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Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
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In court it matters.   Passion is the enemy of percision.  The truth shall set you free.  It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even  ur worst enemy.  -Basic type shit.
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Come on
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  Shit!  Before i replied i thought id look up the spelling of percision an found that id misspelt it.  But cause i clicked on the defenition and read it, the irony of the bad spelling hit me and it was trippy.

COME ON
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SlapRhaters on January 05, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.

shut up lol not getting in one fight just means you back down like a beta every time you are confronted. Some people would rather die with respect then live the life of a cuck like you, too scared to stand up or yourself.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 01:00:27 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
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  What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean?   And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.
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That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.

Point is, fighting is for dipshits who canít control their emotions, and waiting for the ďwhole storyĒ isnít super important when someone brained someone else.  There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that donít end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head.  Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.

 People are going be tried in a court of law dude!  So yah the whole point and partial basis for a free society is that "the whole story" is more than "super important". 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Alan on January 05, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
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shut up lol not getting in one fight just means you back down like a beta every time you are confronted. Some people would rather die with respect then live the life of a cuck like you, too scared to stand up or yourself.

Easy there, pepe.
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Post by: Trickflip on January 05, 2019, 01:07:22 PM
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Was curious as to how the fuck gx1000 instagram isn't blowing up. Turns out they turned the comments of. Hopefully no one buys their stupid vhs tapes.
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Cowards. I bought one of their boards and now regret it. Dropping my gx hat off to Goodwill today. Fuck Ďem.
Just hope the person at Goodwill doesn't go on SLAP
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.

Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who wouldíve handled the situation for him.

To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.

A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to

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Post by: Hypnotoad on January 05, 2019, 01:15:23 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
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shut up lol not getting in one fight just means you back down like a beta every time you are confronted. Some people would rather die with respect then live the life of a cuck like you, too scared to stand up or yourself.
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Easy there, pepe.

Itís ok Alan.  Iím a libtard SKW beta cuck soy boy, and Iím comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 05, 2019, 01:19:13 PM
Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.

Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who wouldíve handled the situation for him.

To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.

A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to
Hypnotoad, who are your 5 coworkers?
Rick Kane, good joke. Rape is funny.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
Itís really a group of apes pounding their chest at one ape and then they fought. That security guard thought he was gunna Bruce lee 8 dudes? And then what? he doesnít have cuffs? He canít make arrest. His job is to tell stragglers to leave and call the cops of real crimes occur. Whole situation is stupid
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 01:21:53 PM
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Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.

Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who wouldíve handled the situation for him.

To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.

A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to
Not relevant really. If he was obligated by the design of his position to have called the police in that situation what your saying might be a relevant point.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 05, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops.
What kind of card could do that?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hypnotoad on January 05, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
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  What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean?   And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.
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That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.

Point is, fighting is for dipshits who canít control their emotions, and waiting for the ďwhole storyĒ isnít super important when someone brained someone else.  There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that donít end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head.  Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.
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 People are going be tried in a court of law dude!  So yah the whole point and partial basis for a free society is that "the whole story" is more than "super important".

Yes, itís important for the outcome of the trial.  My point is that getting charged with assault or attempted murder or whatever the fuck is extremely preventable in the first place (especially if youíre white in San Francisco).
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 01:23:30 PM
Literally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk itís fair game
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
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Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops.
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What kind of card could do that?

Youíre right Iím an idiot disregard me Iím crazy
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
No security guard is asked to put their life on the line. Fuck the skaters but also fuck these hero security guards. Let the dumb pick away at the dumb
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Post by: Surf-goth on January 05, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
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You do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?
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I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.

If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
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Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
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In court it matters.   Passion is the enemy of percision.  The truth shall set you free.  It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even  ur worst enemy.  -Basic type shit.
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Come on
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  Shit!  Before i replied i thought id look up the spelling of percision an found that id misspelt it.  But cause i clicked on the defenition and read it, the irony of the bad spelling hit me and it was trippy.
Finally someone actually knows what irony is
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nopes on January 05, 2019, 01:55:45 PM
Lol at anyone responding to poster cherry
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 05, 2019, 02:00:48 PM
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I have never been in a fight as an adult.  34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.

Itís incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues. 

Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous.  If you have a differing attitude on this matter, youíre a reckless person.  Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail.  I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
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  What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean?   And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.
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That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.

Point is, fighting is for dipshits who canít control their emotions, and waiting for the ďwhole storyĒ isnít super important when someone brained someone else.  There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that donít end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head.  Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.
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 People are going be tried in a court of law dude!  So yah the whole point and partial basis for a free society is that "the whole story" is more than "super important".
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Yes, itís important for the outcome of the trial.  My point is that getting charged with assault or attempted murder or whatever the fuck is extremely preventable in the first place (especially if youíre white in San Francisco).
  Fair play i see the presumtion i made now, sorry.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 02:22:40 PM
Lol at anyone responding to poster cherry

Y?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 02:46:39 PM
Security guards are hired to observe and report. Often times they cherry pick situations to play on their own ego. It makes them feel inferior to call a real cop so they escalate problems and u get outcomes like this....
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dernpop1 on January 05, 2019, 02:52:57 PM
So is the one kid only getting in trouble?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 05, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
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Security guards are hired to observe and report. Often times they cherry pick situations to play on their own ego. It makes them feel inferior to call a real cop so they escalate problems and u get outcomes like this....
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You get outcomes like this when pieces of shirt resort to violence like Neanderthals.
Just go ahead and say the word. Say sleeves.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Christ Puncher on January 05, 2019, 02:58:02 PM
Literally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk itís fair game

Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
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Security guards are hired to observe and report. Often times they cherry pick situations to play on their own ego. It makes them feel inferior to call a real cop so they escalate problems and u get outcomes like this....
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You get outcomes like this when pieces of shirt resort to violence like Neanderthals.

Situation couldíve ended three ways.  Skaters walk away, everyoneís ok. Security walks away calls cops, everyone is ok or Skaters and security guard physically/verbally escalate each other till someone gets really hurt. It takes two to tango
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 02:59:16 PM
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Literally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk itís fair game
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Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.

Fair game as u will both be arrested vs on their property they are the victim©️
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 03:01:37 PM
But also ask ur grandpa because in some states there is a fair fight clause where u can actually have a cop as a witness. Google it cuz I know most of yíall havenít been in a library ever. I can make those kinds of generalizations because I learned on the great university of slap today that you only need 6 people for an accurate control group
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 05, 2019, 03:04:19 PM
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So is the one kid only getting in trouble?
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I would assume all of them will eventually face some sort of charge. They all willingly left the man to die in the street.
No, perfectly legal.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/us/florida-teens-no-charges-drowning-man/index.html
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Christ Puncher on January 05, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
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Literally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk itís fair game
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Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.
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Fair game as u will both be arrested vs on their property they are the victim©️

Sounds legal to me, but first: are you my dad and if not, how old are you?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 03:10:52 PM
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Literally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk itís fair game
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Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.
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Fair game as u will both be arrested vs on their property they are the victim©️
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Sounds legal to me, but first: are you my dad and if not, how old are you?

Wow great points he he high five
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TheLurper on January 05, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
Legal advice on SLAP kind of reminds of grandad getting legal advice from Thugnificent.

14:38
https://dai.ly/x5xh90v
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Hypnotoad on January 05, 2019, 04:07:22 PM
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Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.

Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who wouldíve handled the situation for him.

To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.

A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to
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Hypnotoad, who are your 5 coworkers?
Rick Kane, good joke. Rape is funny.

You are not quoting me, which is unfortunate because that was a solid burn otherwise.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: TMKF on January 05, 2019, 04:16:45 PM
Shit situation no doubt but most of you are blowing my mind. None of you were there or know what went down. Self defense can be a bitch sometimes. Did the guy deserve this outcome? Definitely not, but do you think this is the outcome anyone wanted or thought was going to happen? It's a freak thing, bad shit happens. If this security guard came in hot and threw the first punch he could've just as well done the same. He should've done his job and called the cops, if he opened the door this was always a possibility. I'm not condoning it, but we are all human beings and imperfect, we all make mistakes...they were made on both sides I'm sure. I've been assaulted by security guards before and hit over the head with a walkie talkie while I was literally filming and my head was down in my viewfinder, I didn't even see it coming. I jumped up and my friend came to my defense and pushed the guy back off, he could've easily have slipped and fell and hit his head on the stairs...or he could've knocked me out with his initial blow and the same fate could've happened to me. I don't think that would've been his intent but this shit happens in the heat of the moment. Everyone leaves the scene, no one thought the dude was gonna die or be badly injured I'm sure. There's two sides to every story and being in these situations over the years I'm sure theres more to it that isn't being publicized. You fucks are so quick to eat your own all it takes is some sad pictures and the other sides story and you fall for it.
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Post by: Alois Hitler Jr. on January 05, 2019, 04:18:08 PM
hope he is dead
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Post by: anontechnician on January 05, 2019, 04:21:45 PM
Pondering if itís video, advertising, branding, that ultimately led to this. Presumably dudes werenít exactly there to skate, they came for a clip.

The 2017 thrasher with jason on the cover has an interview with Sean Greene, where he says he broke his neck because he was drunk and didnt want to leave the homies. Could a homie have stayed behind with him? Were they on a filming mission?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nopes on January 05, 2019, 04:26:21 PM
The one guy was defending the shit out of himself when he hit the old man laying on the ground.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 04:50:56 PM
I donít think anyone in here is condoning the skaters actions or wish harm on dan. They shouldíve walked away.
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Post by: johnes on January 05, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
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Just go ahead and say the word. Say sleeves.
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Just go ahead and say the word. Say sleeves.
Damn Iím loling irl
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ihatejulio on January 05, 2019, 05:05:00 PM
The one guy was defending the shit out of himself when he hit the old man laying on the ground.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SNARFMASTER on January 05, 2019, 06:11:52 PM
Close sources have told me that one of the guys in the GX crew did stay behind/come back to call for medical attention. Heís not one of the main guys, but does skate with them often and is featured in the videos. From the video, Iím certain he wasnít involved in the altercation. Not going to disclose his name, but someone did call for help.

Nonetheless this whole thing is fucked and the influence these guys have on skateboarding currently may very well diminish after this is said and done. Especially if those comments get turned back on, which Iím guessing wonít happen for a while.

Plead, come back for round 2 or 3 if you need to, but escalating to violence is the worst. I hope this sets a lot of these feisty ego trippin skaters back into a place of patience and understanding.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 05, 2019, 06:38:08 PM
look at the current level of skating and people are getting hurt the most interacting with security and random people who take it upon themselves to physically assault skaters.

Drop kicking someone for loitering/skating is excessive force. 

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GeorgeCostanza on January 05, 2019, 07:05:22 PM
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: winecrab on January 05, 2019, 07:17:43 PM
I didnít watch the video but if the security guard was the one who started getting physical shouldnít he be charged with assault as well? Sucks that one of the suspects is Brian. Heís the only dude from gx I personally know and Iím sure everyone there that night will be charged as accomplices. They stood by and didnít report the incident to the police and fled the scene without checking if he was okay. 8 grown men couldíve easily restrained the security guard if he was getting violent. Too bad, I loved the ďroll upĒ video. I hope 2019 is the year a lot of people are going to be exposed for the sketchy shit theyíve done including Chase.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nasalcrilltobackpaddle on January 05, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.

Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?

I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night. 
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Post by: Allen. on January 05, 2019, 07:47:14 PM
First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.

Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?

I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.

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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: MKULTRA on January 05, 2019, 07:56:24 PM
Shit situation no doubt but most of you are blowing my mind. None of you were there or know what went down. Self defense can be a bitch sometimes. Did the guy deserve this outcome? Definitely not, but do you think this is the outcome anyone wanted or thought was going to happen? It's a freak thing, bad shit happens. If this security guard came in hot and threw the first punch he could've just as well done the same. He should've done his job and called the cops, if he opened the door this was always a possibility. I'm not condoning it, but we are all human beings and imperfect, we all make mistakes...they were made on both sides I'm sure. I've been assaulted by security guards before and hit over the head with a walkie talkie while I was literally filming and my head was down in my viewfinder, I didn't even see it coming. I jumped up and my friend came to my defense and pushed the guy back off, he could've easily have slipped and fell and hit his head on the stairs...or he could've knocked me out with his initial blow and the same fate could've happened to me. I don't think that would've been his intent but this shit happens in the heat of the moment. Everyone leaves the scene, no one thought the dude was gonna die or be badly injured I'm sure. There's two sides to every story and being in these situations over the years I'm sure theres more to it that isn't being publicized. You fucks are so quick to eat your own all it takes is some sad pictures and the other sides story and you fall for it.

Well said. What happened was the worst case scenario, which most likely was a one and a hundred occurrence.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 05, 2019, 08:10:25 PM
The 2017 thrasher with jason on the cover has an interview with Sean Greene, where he says he broke his neck because he was drunk and didnt want to leave the homies. Could a homie have stayed behind with him? Were they on a filming mission?
Sean Greene had nothing to do with this situation though
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: hamisonrye on January 05, 2019, 08:48:42 PM
I couldn't tell shit from the video and didn't read 20 pages.  Security swung first and skater did not use a board to hit him, is that the consensus?  Yes or no? 

I've seen both said multiple times, as I probably did read 10 pages, but I ain't starting over.
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Post by: ZEBRA on January 05, 2019, 09:51:50 PM
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First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.

Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?

I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.
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Of course Jesse would give anything to reverse what happened, unfortunately for him, that's not how life works and he deserves the 25 years in prison he's about to endure. End of story.


Assault with a deadly weapon is only like 5 years. Not 25. Youíre thinking murder.

They were suppose to go to court today. Anyone have info on what happened?? Still in jail? Let go? Whatís the deal?

Hopefully itíll be covered in the news tonight.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: VHS ERA on January 05, 2019, 11:18:09 PM
Legal advice on SLAP kind of reminds of grandad getting legal advice from Thugnificent.

14:38
https://dai.ly/x5xh90v

Would gnar for a Thugnificent reference if I knew how
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dark Knight on January 05, 2019, 11:22:40 PM
Another thing is that the security guard could still potentially die from his injuries.  Itís a long road to recovery and that road is full of complications that can come from this incident.  Whether itís weeks, months, or years from now.  If that happens things will change entirely. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but his life expectancy has been greatly shortened by this and when he does eventually pass it will surely be blamed on this incident.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ArtVandelay on January 06, 2019, 12:30:27 AM
First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.

Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?

I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.

I donít know, itís your logic that sounds like a 10 year olds to me. ďHe feels bad about it so cut him some slack.Ē ďHe would go back and do it differently.Ē (Says everyone who has ever been to jail, ever. Whatís that saying - youíre not sorry you did it, just sorry you got caught)There is no going back. Also Iíd be pretty upset if I was one of Danís family members. None of those dudes have come forward to accept responsibility. Theyíre all hiding and Jesse is trying to get out of it. Not a good look.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Brguy on January 06, 2019, 03:01:04 AM
I couldn't tell shit from the video and didn't read 20 pages.  Security swung first and skater did not use a board to hit him, is that the consensus?  Yes or no? 

I've seen both said multiple times, as I probably did read 10 pages, but I ain't starting over.
Yes, but the security guard was punched while on the ground.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 06, 2019, 07:13:26 AM
Whoís got the second video angle?
Iím thinking itís not gonna prove shit.

This is what happened.

> guard tries to grab someoneís skateboard to take it away, thatís not something that requires psyical self defense.

>He goes to take the skateboard and is then attacked by a whole group of guys.

>piece of shit skater punches guard while heís already fallen to the ground

> guard gets up and is hit again and knocked out then smacks his head on the ground


>Guard didnít throw the first punch
>tries to grab the skateboard and is then asullted to the point of never being able to recognize his family again.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: kookshit on January 06, 2019, 07:41:30 AM
gx1000 is poosay for disabling comments
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Surf-goth on January 06, 2019, 10:12:46 AM
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First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.

Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?

I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.
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I donít know, itís your logic that sounds like a 10 year olds to me. ďHe feels bad about it so cut him some slack.Ē ďHe would go back and do it differently.Ē (Says everyone who has ever been to jail, ever. Whatís that saying - youíre not sorry you did it, just sorry you got caught)There is no going back. Also Iíd be pretty upset if I was one of Danís family members. None of those dudes have come forward to accept responsibility. Theyíre all hiding and Jesse is trying to get out of it. Not a good look.

I've been to jail for felony assault and no matter how bad you feel about it the courts don't care. I fucked up so i had to face the consequences and so should they. What's this "with rapists and murderers " shit? Guess what you give someone brain damage that's exactly where you belong.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 06, 2019, 11:08:34 AM
Whoís got the second video angle?
Iím thinking itís not gonna prove shit.

This is what happened.

> guard tries to grab someoneís skateboard to take it away, thatís not something that requires psyical self defense.

>He goes to take the skateboard and is then attacked by a whole group of guys.

>piece of shit skater punches guard while heís already fallen to the ground

> guard gets up and is hit again and knocked out then smacks his head on the ground


>Guard didnít throw the first punch
>tries to grab the skateboard and is then asullted to the point of never being able to recognize his family again.

That's how it looked to me too...He got knocked to the ground, got punched on the ground, got up, they ganged up on him, he got hit with a board and the board fell to the ground, when he got hit with the board he got knocked unconscious, the skaters realized that and let him go, then he just fell back unconscious and hit his head again and then they left. He looks like he's already knocked out when he falls backwards.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 06, 2019, 11:13:55 AM
Man and I fucking hate having to be on the side of the security guard.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Bumpovertrash on January 06, 2019, 01:00:40 PM
So is Jesse the one that hit the guard when he was on the ground?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: johnes on January 06, 2019, 01:02:59 PM
So is Jesse the one that hit the guard when he was on the ground?
That part idk, I donít even know what that guy looks and I wouldnít be able to tell from the video even if I did know, I think.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: NickDagger on January 06, 2019, 01:55:42 PM
Iím not a doctor but Iím pretty sure itís not a good sign when your head can be accurately described as MASSIVELY DENTED.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: NickDagger on January 06, 2019, 01:56:16 PM
These guys treated this guys skull like a soccer ball during cinco de mayo.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: NickDagger on January 06, 2019, 01:57:17 PM
CTE1000
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: NickDagger on January 06, 2019, 01:59:22 PM
Iím torn. On one hand the security guard canít recognize his own family. On the other hand they DID have to temporarily leave the spot. I call it even.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: planman on January 06, 2019, 02:02:42 PM
CTE1000
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: A.J.K. on January 06, 2019, 02:11:44 PM
What even are courts anymore? Just ask SLAP what to do.

Is JV being tried in the Court of Slap? No. People here are rightly pissed that these guys felt it necessary to jointly beat a security guard. Your comment is inane.

As someone earlier said, stop thinking about this as skaters and see the bigger picture. We're on the section of the forum rightly called useless wooden toy banter. Being disturbed whilst playing with said toy is not reason to mangle someone else. Yes, clearly the security guard COULD have initiated the physical confrontation somehow, but if he was being truly aggressive, wouldn't we have heard something? All we have is tkp mysteriously alluding to what his pals told him, which is not convincing given the video that has been posted.

No matter what happens legally, as human beings it is entirely reasonable to acknowledge this was entirely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: essal on January 06, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Whoís got the second video angle?
Iím thinking itís not gonna prove shit.

This is what happened.

> guard tries to grab someoneís skateboard to take it away, thatís not something that requires psyical self defense.

>He goes to take the skateboard and is then attacked by a whole group of guys.

>piece of shit skater punches guard while heís already fallen to the ground

> guard gets up and is hit again and knocked out then smacks his head on the ground


>Guard didnít throw the first punch
>tries to grab the skateboard and is then asullted to the point of never being able to recognize his family again.
the video might prove that jessie didn't start it, but one of the other goonies did. yet jessie didn't defend himself against shit, he basically attempted to murder a guy.

as much as ill miss the gx dudes, lock them all up.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Prison Wallet on January 06, 2019, 02:35:55 PM
The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: planman on January 06, 2019, 02:43:28 PM
^You gotta change your name to Jesse Viera's Wallet now
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ChrisLambe94 on January 06, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
I heard people are beefing hard as fuck in Pelican Bay to see who gives him his first tear drop face tattoo. Riots in San Quentin I guess.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Sarcasm on January 06, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
Im not touching this subject with a ten foot stick.
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Post by: spanyard on January 06, 2019, 03:03:45 PM
10 foot road gap
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GeorgeCostanza on January 06, 2019, 03:35:07 PM
The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.

With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nopes on January 06, 2019, 03:37:05 PM
i keep thinking about the video from gx that is being presented as evidence and wondering how much laughing is in it. hopefully none but it seems like there always is when skate clips show altercations like this.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: stokedtrout on January 06, 2019, 03:43:08 PM
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The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
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With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.

It was a game of chicken where no one backed down, and the security guard came off second best. There's nothing fucked about it.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: geturfaxstraight on January 06, 2019, 03:43:48 PM
Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth.  No one here knows what actually happened.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: planman on January 06, 2019, 03:45:56 PM
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The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
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With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
What else rubbed you the wrong way? I don't think there's a lot in there in terms of being dicks to people compared to a lot of their others. I think the security guard was more at fault with that back lip though. Not very smart to stand in front a skater going fast on some stairs when he clearly can't/won't slow down.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Alan on January 06, 2019, 03:52:29 PM
Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth.  No one here knows what actually happened.

Ah, the "Wake up, sheeple!" guy has logged on.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: MKULTRA on January 06, 2019, 04:12:31 PM
CTE1000

CTE1000
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: thebaggy on January 06, 2019, 04:24:56 PM
      I've skated everyday for the past 16 years of my life. I've ran a security company for the past 3. I've experienced both sides of the conflict therein. What I've never done is subscribed to jock mentality, been a bully, or participated in gang violence; therefore I willl never understand what it meant to have acted the way these skateboarders did. 

      I find it sad that skateboarding as a culture is becoming the very thing that we distanced ourselves from in the first place: That is, a culture of ignorance. Our Identity as simply "those who ride skateboards" is often subjugated by the peripheral influences of violence, narcissism, and fantasy that the media propagates throughout the mainstream. We ought to remain autonomous. Fuck the berrics. Thoughts and prayers to him and his family.
   
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: banksandledges on January 06, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
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The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
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With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
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It was a game of chicken where no one backed down, and the security guard came off second best. There's nothing fucked about it.

This. Iíve seen multiple comments about that one. Dude was mid way through a lengthy backside lipslide, not exactly the easiest trick to begin with cause of the blind spot. I canít fault dude for running into her. That was clearly a case of the guard getting a little to psyched and the kid being focused on the trick and not much else.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on January 06, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth.  No one here knows what actually happened.

There's a fucking video of what happened you idiot.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GeorgeCostanza on January 06, 2019, 04:57:36 PM
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The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
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With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
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What else rubbed you the wrong way? I don't think there's a lot in there in terms of being dicks to people compared to a lot of their others. I think the security guard was more at fault with that back lip though. Not very smart to stand in front a skater going fast on some stairs when he clearly can't/won't slow down.
She's clearly stood on the steps as he's rolling up, he had plenty of time to stop before popping onto the steps. She had time to jump out of the way too I guess but doesn't look as mobile as him. It's not as bad as their previous videos but just filming homeless people and giving that guy weed was wack.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: planman on January 06, 2019, 05:04:46 PM
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The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
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With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
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What else rubbed you the wrong way? I don't think there's a lot in there in terms of being dicks to people compared to a lot of their others. I think the security guard was more at fault with that back lip though. Not very smart to stand in front a skater going fast on some stairs when he clearly can't/won't slow down.
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She's clearly stood on the steps as he's rolling up, he had plenty of time to stop before popping onto the steps. She had time to jump out of the way too I guess but doesn't look as mobile as him. It's not as bad as their previous videos but just filming homeless people and giving that guy weed was wack.
Yeah fuck giving people free weed
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on January 06, 2019, 05:08:19 PM
Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: botefdunn on January 06, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 06, 2019, 05:18:30 PM
Hate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.

I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?

Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: anontechnician on January 06, 2019, 05:24:21 PM
Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.

Hard to let this one go, donít see a problem with filming street
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mattchew on January 06, 2019, 05:33:39 PM
Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.

What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Allen. on January 06, 2019, 05:36:28 PM
Hate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.

I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?

Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this.

You see we have this for humanity in general. Almost every single person should/would look down on what these dudes did.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: hamisonrye on January 06, 2019, 05:37:46 PM
the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?

I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 06, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
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Hate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.

I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?

Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this.
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You see we have this for humanity in general. Almost every single person should/would look down on what these dudes did.

No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?

I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on January 06, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: rapscallion on January 06, 2019, 06:11:27 PM
No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?

I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
I don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?

Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BehindTheLens on January 06, 2019, 06:12:35 PM
This whole situation is fucked and what really bothers me is how they all ran off so quick after bashing this dudes head in. I filmed the surveillance on my phone in slow mo from my computer and watched it frame by frame. A few things I noticed.

1.) It does look like the security guard lunges/takes a kick first but we also don't have much footage before that moment.

2.) Someone clearly takes a shot at his head with a punch when he is down on the ground that first time.

3.) He gets back up and looks to approach the group of skaters again which is dumb, but I get it after someone took a shot at his dome. He's probably not thinking to straight at this point (fight or flight).

4.) The video gets really hard to depict here due to everyone standing so close together, but its pretty clear at some point a skateboard comes flying in pretty quick by the security guards head. Whether it hit him or not is impossible to tell, but it seems likely.

5.) He falls straight back and hits his head on the concrete, but it's pretty much impossible to tell if it was the skateboard or fall that caused the traumatic injury.

If I have time I will edit some footage together with frame by frame shots this week. But as I see it right now these guys can go fuck themselves and deserve to do some time.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Allen. on January 06, 2019, 06:13:29 PM
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Hate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.

I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?

Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this.
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You see we have this for humanity in general. Almost every single person should/would look down on what these dudes did.
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No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?

I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.

I think most people know when you alter a spot like that, you're opening yourself up to legal problems and stuff. The conversation is always going to end with 'if you're down to go cut the kink/knob off, bondo something, etc., go for it but be careful.' Obviously I've done some of these things and sleep well at night knowing most people wouldn't even notice as it doesn't effect the quality of life of anyone using the rail/ledge/stairs/ground etc... obviously within reason, don't burn a building down so you can build a slab spot on it. Don't leave a security guard lying motionless directly due to your actions - and try not to set events in motion that can cause that to go down.

These guys know better. Just leave and come back, don't even let the security talk to you. Just fucking dip and come back the next day.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 06, 2019, 06:22:35 PM
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Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth.  No one here knows what actually happened.
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There's a fucking video of what happened you idiot.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on January 06, 2019, 06:31:34 PM
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No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?

I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
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I don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?

Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.

Maybe? Climbers and through hikers do hold other participants to strict regulations regarding their efforts. Don't pick up your trash, plant a bolt, etc...doesn't count. There is something to be said about NOT modifying a spot to make it "easier".  Not injuring or killing anyone should go without question.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: rapscallion on January 06, 2019, 06:49:00 PM
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No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?

I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
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I don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?

Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.
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Maybe? Climbers and through hikers do hold other participants to strict regulations regarding their efforts. Don't pick up your trash, plant a bolt, etc...doesn't count. There is something to be said about NOT modifying a spot to make it "easier".  Not injuring or killing anyone should go without question.
Are you for real? How can hiking or climbing not "count"?

However I fully agree, there is certainly something to be said about pushing through the cracks and crust and getting a trick anyways. I would just add that kinks and bondo are only a small piece of the puzzle when doing something worth the modification in the first place
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mattchew on January 06, 2019, 06:58:02 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.

Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 06, 2019, 07:05:04 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.

Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: NickDagger on January 06, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
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Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Salad farmer on January 06, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.

I agree with heckler. I can't remember any clips of street people where it is integral to any story or anything like that. It is always a cheap laugh or some fake look how wild it is out here in the streets. It might not be intentionally exploitative or anything but it's almost always lame.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: hamisonrye on January 06, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.

That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BehindTheLens on January 06, 2019, 07:13:44 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.

I fully agree. See my post above as I did go frame by frame. I don't think I'll have time tomorrow but I'll work on making a video of it Tuesday. I should be able to crop it better then that crappy news video video as well. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on January 06, 2019, 07:16:06 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
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Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, thatís fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didnít feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didnít need any bums to convey a ďstreetĒ environment, Iím hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: robertson on January 06, 2019, 07:43:07 PM
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No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?

I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
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I don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?

Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.
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Maybe? Climbers and through hikers do hold other participants to strict regulations regarding their efforts. Don't pick up your trash, plant a bolt, etc...doesn't count. There is something to be said about NOT modifying a spot to make it "easier".  Not injuring or killing anyone should go without question.
I climb outdoors a lot and while there is a loose code of ethics, there is no one there to enforce it. You might be known as a kook for violating such ethics, but thatís about it. Itís similar to street skating. I know my city has a loose code of ethics among the locals.  But no one can really enforce anything. 
What happened in this incident comes down to bad choices. There are already rules(and ethics) against what happened, but that didnít stop it. Itís a bad thing that happened, and everyone involved is now paying some sort of price for it. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 06, 2019, 07:51:10 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.

Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: planman on January 06, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
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Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
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Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, thatís fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didnít feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didnít need any bums to convey a ďstreetĒ environment, Iím hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.
I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mattchew on January 06, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
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Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
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Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, thatís fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didnít feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didnít need any bums to convey a ďstreetĒ environment, Iím hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.
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I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.

That and for some reason heckler canít cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.

Not arguing that itís played out or that there are far greater negative examplesóof course there are. Iím pointing out your saying that itís inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. Itís not. And just because some videos you love didnít use them, doesnít negate the fact that plenty have and itís improved the video.

This is all so off topic now.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: hamisonrye on January 06, 2019, 08:16:08 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.

Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.   
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: thebaggy on January 06, 2019, 08:33:25 PM
They are all culpable by virtue of sticking around from the beginning; there were many transitional periods throughout the episode where any one of the individuals could have made the right call and backed away, yet instead they made efforts to not only stick around, but to continue assaulting the man. The group dictated the circumstances, therefore becoming accountable for every possible outcome.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: robertson on January 06, 2019, 08:34:58 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
A 38 year old man just died from being punched and falling back and hitting his head in a dog park. It happens more than you would think.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjcpISD69rfAhUk6IMKHdAcBK0QzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2F6abc.com%2Fman-dies-after-being-punched-in-south-philadelphia-park%2F5023731%2F&psig=AOvVaw2pBuh0nSoJrD7IFG_kPkOl&ust=1546921830942727

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BehindTheLens on January 06, 2019, 09:29:50 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.

Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: hamisonrye on January 06, 2019, 09:37:26 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
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Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.

I'm not going to lie and say I do it, but what if you were busking? It could literally be the exact same perspective at that point. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BehindTheLens on January 06, 2019, 09:46:43 PM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
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Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
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I'm not going to lie and say I do it, but what if you were busking? It could literally be the exact same perspective at that point.

I don't do it either but that's a fair point that didn't cross my mind. I'm not 100% sure on the legality of it everywhere but I do have a few friends who busk on occasion around here (boston area) and no authorities bother them. However I know if they were asked to move along they would do so without a violent confrontation. But it's probably not a fair comparison anyways because the general public and authority look at skateboarding a spot differently then someone playing guitar on a sidewalk.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Rocuronium on January 06, 2019, 10:16:34 PM
This whole situation is fucked and what really bothers me is how they all ran off so quick after bashing this dudes head in. I filmed the surveillance on my phone in slow mo from my computer and watched it frame by frame. A few things I noticed.

1.) It does look like the security guard lunges/takes a kick first but we also don't have much footage before that moment.

2.) Someone clearly takes a shot at his head with a punch when he is down on the ground that first time.

3.) He gets back up and looks to approach the group of skaters again which is dumb, but I get it after someone took a shot at his dome. He's probably not thinking to straight at this point (fight or flight).

4.) The video gets really hard to depict here due to everyone standing so close together, but its pretty clear at some point a skateboard comes flying in pretty quick by the security guards head. Whether it hit him or not is impossible to tell, but it seems likely.

5.) He falls straight back and hits his head on the concrete, but it's pretty much impossible to tell if it was the skateboard or fall that caused the traumatic injury.

If I have time I will edit some footage together with frame by frame shots this week. But as I see it right now these guys can go fuck themselves and deserve to do some time.

The hits to the head are not proportional to the injury. I'm guessing he was on blood thinners and that exacerbated what would have been a minor injury.

I agree with that this deplorable situation reflects badly on all of us and I think it would be a beautiful symbolic gesture if the skate community contributed to a gofundme.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DGKALIS on January 06, 2019, 11:04:35 PM
Damen Way was breaking up a fight. Got punched fell and hit his head. Paralyzed the entire left? Side of his body.

Close friend of mineís fiancť was breaking up a fight. Punched in the face. Fell back hit his head and died a few years back.

At a club and a dude got punched. Hit his head on a bar stool. Died.

Happens quite a bit.

Bummer this went down. Cops in SF and other cities have really eased back on enforcing skating. Years ago is was crazy.
I never gave security a hard time because I never wanted to deal with the cops. (Been locked up a dozen times over night for skating, punched in the face while cuffed to the bench in SF Chinatown station, dropped off at the Robert Taylor homes South side Chi by cops, chased through CHI, SF, many times. )
Some cities like LA now have purple suit guys on bikes that are the buffer between security and cops. When Iím out with the young dudes... they seriously have no respect for any type of authority.
It trips me out. I canít do it. I have to leave, Iíll try to slip the guard some cash for a few tries, but I canít deliberately skate in front of them. Itís just what Iím used to. Never did I like spending the nights in jail. (Even though most cases were dropped).
What happened at Black Rock, in my opinion is unfortunate and just bad decision making. Different generations deal with different circumstances. In my SF days I had too much respect for the people who were from SF and laid the foundation. I personally would never blow up a spot like that. Nor did I want my ass beat or clumped up charges.
Maybe this situation changes things... maybe it doesnít. Maybe it makes cats think about certain consequences, and whatís important at the end of the day.... which to me is.... coming home to my kids, not getting too injured so I can continue to do what I love, and not bite the hand that feeds me. No trick is worth risking all the above.

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: thebaggy on January 06, 2019, 11:35:46 PM
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So is the one kid only getting in trouble?
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I would assume all of them will eventually face some sort of charge. They all willingly left the man to die in the street.
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No, perfectly legal.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/us/florida-teens-no-charges-drowning-man/index.html


Your wrong. Those shit heads filming that video were not responsible for that outcome. In other words, they did not place that man in the water. These GX shit heads are responsible for this outcome. They are culpable by virtue of not leaving the property when asked to. They escalated the conflict to assault with a deadly weapon. Them leaving the scene can be used in court to prove malice aforethought, culpable negligence etc. Apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: dakotalofton on January 06, 2019, 11:39:09 PM
its just not worth your 12 dollars a hour
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CHONGO on January 06, 2019, 11:45:36 PM
damn. This thread keeps getting gnarly and gnarlier
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 07, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
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Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
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I'm not going to lie and say I do it, but what if you were busking? It could literally be the exact same perspective at that point.
If you are busking and refuse to move, they probably call the cops on you. The GX guys were physically removing barricades being put up and stopping the dude from doing his job. If he tried to grab a board, it wasn't until after a significant amount of provocation. Do you think he should have hit one of these kids with a metal barricade over the head because they were grabbing his companies property? Or dropped one on their heads when they were down? Because that's basically the equivalent you are preaching, that if someone is taking your property, you can hit them with it.

It doesn't matter if it was only a small beat down or whatever. What matters is the fucking consequences and in this case, it's a dude whose life is now severely altered. Its why you aren't violent with people unless you need to save your own life or are threatened with significant bodly harm.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Mystical Leader on January 07, 2019, 01:11:23 AM
Seriously some of you posters...

All of this could have been easily avoided, there is never a need to get physical over skateboarding...

fucked up how some of you can justify GX1000 crews actions.. They were trespassing, ganged up on a security guard,  beat up him and fled to scene how can you say they ain't the blame??

Funny how skaters seem to think skating/destroying private property is okay.. I can't think of any other hobby that thinks the same way..

Also does anyone know what trick they were filming? If it was a long backlip I think the guard might at fault
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: heckler on January 07, 2019, 05:40:36 AM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
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Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
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Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, thatís fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didnít feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didnít need any bums to convey a ďstreetĒ environment, Iím hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.
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I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.
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That and for some reason heckler canít cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.

Not arguing that itís played out or that there are far greater negative examplesóof course there are. Iím pointing out your saying that itís inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. Itís not. And just because some videos you love didnít use them, doesnít negate the fact that plenty have and itís improved the video.

This is all so off topic now.
Planman, I actually pointed out the differentiation in intent in bold. And you're right, it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way (not saying compensation doesn't happen) is exploitative.

Mattchew, you're clearly grasping at straws. Not only did you approach me with a faux-academic response to an argument you made up for me, but I outlined and fine-tuned my stance in follow-up posts and you just keep referring to my initial, one sentence comment as if that's all I said on the issue. Yeah, some instances of putting homeless people in skate videos aren't outright exploitative (unless you go by my definition above), but most instances are, and you just keep referring to these "mystery videos" that homeless people have greatly improved. Can't think of one. But, regardless of that, PUTTING HOMELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR VIDEO IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY AND TRITE AS FUCK. What's next, sticking up for clips of dudes blowing cigarette smoke into the camera? A passionate discussion about the Shake Junt high five?

This is super off-topic and unless you want to start another thread, I won't be continuing this conversation.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: mattchew on January 07, 2019, 06:38:01 AM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
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Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
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Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, thatís fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didnít feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didnít need any bums to convey a ďstreetĒ environment, Iím hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.
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I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.
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That and for some reason heckler canít cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.

Not arguing that itís played out or that there are far greater negative examplesóof course there are. Iím pointing out your saying that itís inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. Itís not. And just because some videos you love didnít use them, doesnít negate the fact that plenty have and itís improved the video.

This is all so off topic now.
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Planman, I actually pointed out the differentiation in intent in bold. And you're right, it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way (not saying compensation doesn't happen) is exploitative.

Mattchew, you're clearly grasping at straws. Not only did you approach me with a faux-academic response to an argument you made up for me, but I outlined and fine-tuned my stance in follow-up posts and you just keep referring to my initial, one sentence comment as if that's all I said on the issue. Yeah, some instances of putting homeless people in skate videos aren't outright exploitative (unless you go by my definition above), but most instances are, and you just keep referring to these "mystery videos" that homeless people have greatly improved. Can't think of one. But, regardless of that, PUTTING HOMELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR VIDEO IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY AND TRITE AS FUCK. What's next, sticking up for clips of dudes blowing cigarette smoke into the camera? A passionate discussion about the Shake Junt high five?

This is super off-topic and unless you want to start another thread, I won't be continuing this conversation.

I believe this would qualify as the straw grasp.
Enjoy the L, my G.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: spanyard on January 07, 2019, 07:19:49 AM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
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Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.


Address please
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: shit_for_brains on January 07, 2019, 07:23:34 AM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
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Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
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Address please

I have that too it's only 6 guitars
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 07, 2019, 08:01:21 AM
DGKalis, is Damon Way still paralyzed? It is crazy how fragile we can be while Jaws and Heath show how tough we can be. These are all horrible stories but I try not to judge too hard. Most everyone has been in a fight here or there and you don't expect them to end this badly. I think a Pal or 2 might have some experiences like this. Hope the Pals are not on Jesse V's jury.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DGKALIS on January 07, 2019, 08:04:06 AM
DGKalis, is Damon Way still paralyzed? It is crazy how fragile we can be while Jaws and Heath show how tough we can be. These are all horrible stories but I try not to judge too hard. Most everyone has been in a fight here or there and you don't expect them to end this badly. I think a Pal or 2 might have some experiences like this. Hope the Pals are not on Jesse V's jury.

Yeah. He's been for years. Ever since I've known him.. and thats been 20+ years.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: spanyard on January 07, 2019, 08:05:49 AM
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the video:

I see an altercation (not clear who started it)

security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time

he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders

then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving


anybody see anything different?
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I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well.  Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up?  Otherwise yeah.  He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete. 

I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete. 

Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder.  If I remember correctly that is.
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Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.

I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
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That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part. 

On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc. 

6 feet = 13 mph for example.
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Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?

I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
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Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views. 

I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective. 

Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it. 

It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.

Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
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Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you  were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
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Address please
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I have that too it's only 6 guitars

I have 14 and need an intervention.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: pointandclick on January 07, 2019, 08:10:20 AM
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Yeah. He's been for years. Ever since I've known him.. and thats been 20+ years.
im surprised ive never actually heard of this before.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 07, 2019, 08:41:16 AM
The all over the place tradjectory of peoples posts thats ranged from making fun of people suggesting it was the influence of the vids lately to typical 180įs on the whole thing.  Its slad.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: h00man on January 07, 2019, 11:00:09 AM
Kalis said it pretty well.

Do skaters ever think of why they're getting kicked out or harassed by security?

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: winecrab on January 07, 2019, 03:12:22 PM
Cool your jets Tyshawn or you're next. Clint too but I don't think he can knock someone out.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Bagelskate on January 07, 2019, 03:21:51 PM
Cool your jets Tyshawn or you're next. Clint too but I don't think he can knock someone out.

Lol did you see Clint try hitting raven with his board. Looked like Tim Tebow trying to throw a football. Upper body strength of a t rex
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ZEBRA on January 07, 2019, 03:45:57 PM
Iím confused.... so the HD footage was shown in court, right? But it did not prove his innocence since heís still in jail.

So, theyíre saying it wasnít self defense then?

I wanna see this footage.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GAY on January 07, 2019, 04:34:20 PM
This thread has restored my faith in humanity just kidding.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: thebaggy on January 07, 2019, 04:44:11 PM
Iím confused.... so the HD footage was shown in court, right? But it did not prove his innocence since heís still in jail.

So, theyíre saying it wasnít self defense then?

I wanna see this footage.

Dont be confused because it absolutely isnt self defense.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fongool on January 07, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ArtVandelay on January 07, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
gx1000 is poosay for disabling comments
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Trickflip on January 07, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
I think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 07, 2019, 05:32:16 PM
Hey everyone, I've missed about 10 pages of this because I've been out of town. I've been critical of those immediately pointing the finger at the skaters from the start simply because I hadn't seen any evidence proving this.

I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack. But today I saw the security footage uncut:

https://twitter.com/nbcjeanelle/status/1081003009847418882

The clip shows the guard taking a skater's board and the skater lunging at him (which I assume was to reach to grab his board back), but it turns out looking more like the first act of a physical attack on another human.

My outlook on this has changed unless I see other video evidence showing the guard making the first attempt at a physical attack on someone else.

Thanks to those of you on here who responded to my views with insight instead of hate or claiming I had some motive for how I was seeing things. I just want to see the evidence before making a decision, which I think is pretty logical.

If it hasn't already been shared in here, this article by Jenkem should be re read by us often:

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/12/19/the-skateboarders-guide-to-getting-arrested/

I feel bad for everyone involved in this. I think we can all collectively agree we don't go out skateboarding with the intention of it creating violence.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Shifty Flip on January 07, 2019, 05:38:01 PM
The uncut footage is even worse.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 07, 2019, 05:49:40 PM
The uncut footage is even worse.
Was that supposed to be in the Westgate thread?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: charade on January 07, 2019, 06:31:12 PM
I think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though

Had been thinking about that last night. The current footage is so distant that it's like we're all taking-apart a clip of the JFK assassination.

If the filmer's clip shows anything less than Jansen acting like a total lunatic it's going to be very painful for the family and won't help the accused. I was curious why the defense lawyer seemed so jovial about it.

Obviously this thread will be massive leading up to the trial but any minute dissection on our part will be pointless. This incident will be looked at very dispassionately by the authorities. Any kind of 'I dunno, it looked like he grabbed a board there' is just like...vapor to the law. It's nothing.

As someone touched on earlier, I don't think it's going to be the referendum on skateboarding in SF some think it will. There hopefully will be some interesting dialogue in the community but to the media and the average person the skateboarding angle won't be a big deal. It could basically be used as shorthand for 'young punks' if you know what I mean.


Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 07, 2019, 06:43:46 PM
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I think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though
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Had been thinking about that last night. The current footage is so distant that it's like we're all taking-apart a clip of the JFK assassination.

If the filmer's clip shows anything less than Jansen acting like a total lunatic it's going to be very painful for the family and won't help the accused. I was curious why the defense lawyer seemed so jovial about it.

Obviously this thread will be massive leading up to the trial but any minute dissection on our part will be pointless. This incident will be looked at very dispassionately by the authorities. Any kind of 'I dunno, it looked like he grabbed a board there' is just like...vapor to the law. It's nothing.

As someone touched on earlier, I don't think it's going to be the referendum on skateboarding in SF some think it will. There hopefully will be some interesting dialogue in the community but to the media and the average person the skateboarding angle won't be a big deal. It could basically be used as shorthand for 'young punks' if you know what I mean.
I don't think the defense is actually the security guard started attacking them. My reading of it was, that the defense lawyer was claiming it was another skater who hit the security guard first, then in a state of confusion or unawareness, the security guard attacked Jesse, and Jesse defended himself. This results in the traumatic brain injury. I don't really think it will fly that well though, they had ample time to leave to avoid being in the situation. This seems to get built up considering he was already putting barricades up, and they were getting moved. So, you gotta think there is 10 to 15 minutes building to the clip we saw.

Given Jesse had ample time to leave, and then originally denied even being there to cops (atleast according to the Judge), I can't see this going too well for him.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nopes on January 07, 2019, 06:46:48 PM
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I think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though
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Had been thinking about that last night. The current footage is so distant that it's like we're all taking-apart a clip of the JFK assassination.

If the filmer's clip shows anything less than Jansen acting like a total lunatic it's going to be very painful for the family and won't help the accused. I was curious why the defense lawyer seemed so jovial about it.

Obviously this thread will be massive leading up to the trial but any minute dissection on our part will be pointless. This incident will be looked at very dispassionately by the authorities. Any kind of 'I dunno, it looked like he grabbed a board there' is just like...vapor to the law. It's nothing.

As someone touched on earlier, I don't think it's going to be the referendum on skateboarding in SF some think it will. There hopefully will be some interesting dialogue in the community but to the media and the average person the skateboarding angle won't be a big deal. It could basically be used as shorthand for 'young punks' if you know what I mean.
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I don't think the defense is actually the security guard started attacking them. My reading of it was, that the defense lawyer was claiming it was another skater who hit the security guard first, then in a state of confusion or unawareness, the security guard attacked Jesse, and Jesse defended himself. This results in the traumatic brain injury. I don't really think it will fly that well though, they had ample time to leave to avoid being in the situation. This seems to get built up considering he was already putting barricades up, and they were getting moved. So, you gotta think there is 10 to 15 minutes building to the clip we saw.

Given Jesse had ample time to leave, and then originally denied even being there to cops (atleast according to the Judge), I can't see this going too well for him.

yeah i think the video is being used to snitch on one of the others. interesting play

i feel so bad for the security guards family.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Chapingro on January 07, 2019, 07:00:56 PM
I appreciate you acknowledging further evidence and shifting your position. I hope that more people do the same.


Hey everyone, I've missed about 10 pages of this because I've been out of town. I've been critical of those immediately pointing the finger at the skaters from the start simply because I hadn't seen any evidence proving this.

I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack. But today I saw the security footage uncut:

https://twitter.com/nbcjeanelle/status/1081003009847418882

The clip shows the guard taking a skater's board and the skater lunging at him (which I assume was to reach to grab his board back), but it turns out looking more like the first act of a physical attack on another human.

My outlook on this has changed unless I see other video evidence showing the guard making the first attempt at a physical attack on someone else.

Thanks to those of you on here who responded to my views with insight instead of hate or claiming I had some motive for how I was seeing things. I just want to see the evidence before making a decision, which I think is pretty logical.

If it hasn't already been shared in here, this article by Jenkem should be re read by us often:

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/12/19/the-skateboarders-guide-to-getting-arrested/

I feel bad for everyone involved in this. I think we can all collectively agree we don't go out skateboarding with the intention of it creating violence.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on January 07, 2019, 07:10:10 PM
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:

I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Makaveli on January 07, 2019, 07:31:35 PM
I dont see anything in that video other than some skaters instigating some shit, jesse punching the security guard on the ground, the guy drop cold, and dudes fleeing...looks pretty incriminating
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: charade on January 07, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:

I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed.

The court will so DGAF about Jansen grabbing anyone's board that it will make the typical skaters head spin.

They will SO NOT CARE.

(That not a dig at you in case it looked like it. I know you're just trying to give a blow-by-blow)

But yeah, any kid who thinks it's fair-game if a guard grabs your bag or board is going to get a freezing cold bucket of ice-water dumped on their head when all is said and done (possibly).



Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: full of jerks on January 07, 2019, 07:53:22 PM
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DGKalis, is Damon Way still paralyzed? It is crazy how fragile we can be while Jaws and Heath show how tough we can be. These are all horrible stories but I try not to judge too hard. Most everyone has been in a fight here or there and you don't expect them to end this badly. I think a Pal or 2 might have some experiences like this. Hope the Pals are not on Jesse V's jury.
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Yeah. He's been for years. Ever since I've known him.. and thats been 20+ years.

Don't want to derail, but are you mixing up who you are thinking of?  He can still skate, use a computer etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGtr8p63oU
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: CraneStyle on January 07, 2019, 07:53:58 PM
My take on the uncut video, not looking good though...

THIS VIDEO IS PURE SPECULATION AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS FACT

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=lYzA_1546919390
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 07, 2019, 07:59:05 PM
Sucks somebody got hurt like that over skateboarding. Seems like kids like these only step up to people who they see as weak or when they're in big groups.
Case in point Alex Olson. I can't remember what video, but he goes crazy on an older, nerdy looking man. Screams at him and throws his shit to the ground. But on his Nine Club he talks about that cholo tweaker looking guy and how he was screaming at them over an alarm or some shit. He didn't do shit about that guy though. He also said the cholo told him to shut the fuck up and he obliged like a bitch.

Also the irony of Kelch comment in Mckenzie's IG post. Not that I don't believe this dudes should get time, they should, they fucked up. But Kelch used to rob kids and fuck up people all the time.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on January 07, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity

That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: thebaggy on January 07, 2019, 08:15:26 PM


I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack



I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fongool on January 07, 2019, 08:31:54 PM
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seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
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That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?


his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 07, 2019, 08:33:43 PM
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seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
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That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
I'm pretty sure the defence lawyer has it. And, if he did as you said, he'll probably catch an obstruction charge.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Style Police on January 07, 2019, 09:23:40 PM
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:

I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.

Pretty sure the board cracks the security guy in the head. Looks like an unfortunate sequence of events either way in the heat of the moment. Jesse (who assume swung the board) will have plenty of time to think about his actions.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nasalcrilltobackpaddle on January 07, 2019, 11:09:29 PM
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The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:

I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.
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Pretty sure the board cracks the security guy in the head. Looks like an unfortunate sequence of events either way in the heat of the moment. Jesse (who assume swung the board) will have plenty of time to think about his actions.

He'll have plenty of time to think about it while he's getting piped down by the snuggle bandits in county
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Kill_Yourself_Now on January 08, 2019, 12:05:15 AM
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I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack


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I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.

Stop being so brutally honest about this, youíre gonna hurt someoneís feelings with those kind of hard truths.  No jury is going to side with the skaters over this, anyone whose head isnít in the sand knows how things will go now.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: BacksideWallride on January 08, 2019, 05:48:29 AM
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seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
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That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
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his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence

Not GX footage but someones cellphone
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Donkey Lips on January 08, 2019, 07:02:50 AM
My outlook on this has changed unless I see other video evidence showing the guard making the first attempt at a physical attack on someone else.

Thanks to those of you on here who responded to my views with insight instead of hate or claiming I had some motive for how I was seeing things. I just want to see the evidence before making a decision, which I think is pretty logical.

Nice to see you changing your stance on it with further evidence, but please don't pretend like you didn't come on here playing the what-if game when you assumed how the guard approached the skateboarders. You attempted to show the guard as the aggressor with the "if he had worked there for 10 years dealing with skateboarders, do you really think he would've been calm and cool" bullshit. You absolutely had a motive.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cherry on January 08, 2019, 07:17:40 AM
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I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack


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I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.

Absent the security officerís lawful determination that a citizen arrest is warranted for an observation of a felony or breach of the peace in his or her presence, no physical action is authorized.

 if the security guard made first physical contact then their lawyer could argue self defense but apparently the unedited video shows skaters pushing him first to get their board.

verbal non-compliance only warrants soft touch(garner vs Tennessee) I had thought he told them to leave, they wouldnít, they moved barriers and he made first physical contact.

Havenít watched the un edited video and donít want to itís the court decision. If they pushed him and ran at him then he def was in the clear to use force....
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
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seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
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That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
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his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence

where are you getting this information re: the defense attorney? 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: tkp on January 08, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
Nice to see you changing your stance on it with further evidence, but please don't pretend like you didn't come on here playing the what-if game when you assumed how the guard approached the skateboarders. You attempted to show the guard as the aggressor with the "if he had worked there for 10 years dealing with skateboarders, do you really think he would've been calm and cool" bullshit. You absolutely had a motive.

I should have clarified my motive comment as it was more towards the person who said I was posting on here to promote / attempt to revive a brand, which is not the case.

When I look at how you and others will interpret it, I agree with your conclusion and apologize for not clarifying it. In that case yes, I had a motive to present the side that maybe the guard had a role in the escalation.

Looking back at following this, I've learned to not make any assumptions until presented full evidence because everyone has different experiences in life and will pull off of those situations to form a judgement about the parties involved in an incident.

I hope people on all sides of the issue are looking at this to prevent it from happening again.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: fongool on January 08, 2019, 08:01:36 AM
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seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:

-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath


Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
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That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
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his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence
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where are you getting this information re: the defense attorney?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php

"But Doug Rappaport, Vieiraís defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.

Video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.

Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.

ďJesse was only defending himself here,Ē he said. ďThe security guard fell to the ground and hit his head,Ē he said. ďItís tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.Ē"

He's essentially saying someone else in the crew hit the security guard first.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Jim and Dan on January 08, 2019, 08:28:32 AM
Holy shit, Jesse Vieira is so fucked! He'll be going to jail for a couple of years...

No bail? Christ, they give bail to murderers & child-molesters for christ-sakes, that's some serious shit.

Don't fucking hit people with skateboards in today's hyper-vigilant law enforcement day-&-age, didn't he ever watch 'Kids'? I mean, did they really fear for their lives? Punch him with your fucking hands & avoid serious assault charges, unless Jesse is a 5th degree blackbelt & his hands are registered lethal weapons; in that case it doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: feedmeseymour on January 08, 2019, 08:48:10 AM
quotes from a post on that security guard forum.


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If I was the guard, I'd do the required minimum like post a sign, then kick back and enjoy the show, and maybe HOPE a skater falls and cracks his head open. Film it for MY YouTube $$$. Figure out a way for an air-horn to blast or blinding light to happen, just as they enter a tricky stunt.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/m7pzps.png)

https://youtu.be/H6DqWP733F4?t=38 (https://youtu.be/H6DqWP733F4?t=38)


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If the skateboarders are regulars at the post after biz hours, invite over a few Pitbull owners of a certain demographic, of which their are many in 'Frisco.

Another angle, which would be tricky but could be powerful, is enlist a chick with a camera to get the "professional skater"s name and address, then sue him for "damages" to the property


Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Jerkstore on January 08, 2019, 09:03:50 AM
An interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.

Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DCLOVE on January 08, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
Damn I forgot about this thread till someone mentioned the delatorre thing in the Louie thread. It really did turn out to be GX. Thatís crazy. This whole thing sad.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: weregoingunion on January 08, 2019, 11:06:26 AM
a tragic
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: potpie on January 08, 2019, 11:41:36 AM
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:

I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.
it looks like whoever shoves him reaches down and picks their board off the ground to dan's right side
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 08, 2019, 11:42:38 AM
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An interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.
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Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances
I always find that shit fucked. Like, when you hear of school shootings, and they pledge to cover the medical bills. Like, what the fuck, the person gets shot and now is in crippling debt unless charities step in?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on January 08, 2019, 11:52:50 AM
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An interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.
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Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances

AN AMBULANCE? IN THIS ECONOMY?

*leaps*
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Get the strap on January 08, 2019, 12:20:29 PM
Some skaters writing some positive comments:

https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen

Anybody know when the trial resumes?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: roba on January 08, 2019, 12:32:28 PM
fuckin thrasher is donating money to skaters' gofundme projects, i'm hoping they'll donate to dan's as well, i mean gx has a strong thrasher connection so why wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: KRKD1 on January 08, 2019, 12:42:37 PM
Damn fucked for everyone involved. Specially dude just doing his job. Bad look for GX nd Jesse for sure. Self defense clearly a crock of shit in this scenario. You got to have legitimate and justifiable concern for your life, that just ain't whats happening here and you ain't gonna convince no judge or jury otherwise.

But shit dudes idk about California but in Illinois that's mob action and a Felony sentene here. Makes you wonder who all has ended up being charged and or investigated as suspects at the moment. The scenes a bit different out here but if this same scenario happened downtown chi or even in the brubs they'd get all of em up on some serious charges Simply for associating together in the vicinity of dude getting fucked up so badly.



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     Sec. 25-1. Mob action.
    (a) A person commits mob action when he or she engages in any of the following:
        (1) the knowing or reckless use of force or violence
    disturbing the public peace by 2 or more persons acting together and without authority of law;

 (3) A participant in a mob action that by violence
       inflicts injury to the person or property of another commits a Class 4 felony

Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: billy.pepperidge on January 08, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Fish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Battery Aziz on January 08, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
Fish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.

Just saw that Kalis donated $500 right now. Good on him
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 08, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
fuckin thrasher is donating money to skaters' gofundme projects, i'm hoping they'll donate to dan's as well, i mean gx has a strong thrasher connection so why wouldn't they?
Because I bet Thrasher is scared shitless of their potential liability in a civil case (They promote GX's content, they are executive producers on their projects, it can be argued Gershall was filming for them at the time this happened). You have to think any personal injury lawyer worth anything is going to go after them, because they have way more money than Jesse Vieira.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: DannyDee on January 08, 2019, 01:51:13 PM
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Fish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.
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Just saw that Kalis donated $500 right now. Good on him
DGKalis proving again why he's one of the best dudes in the industry.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Chapingro on January 08, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
DGKalis showing people what the right move is. GX is a bunch of moooaaaarrrrks. Not to mention how they ripped off a latina artists design for their MUNI logo. Wack sauce.


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Fish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.
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Just saw that Kalis donated $500 right now. Good on him
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DGKalis proving again why he's one of the best dudes in the industry.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Alan on January 08, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
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An interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.
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Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances
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AN AMBULANCE? IN THIS ECONOMY?

*leaps*

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/7/18137967/er-bills-zuckerberg-san-francisco-general-hospital

Tech will save the world.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: weregoingunion on January 08, 2019, 02:33:36 PM
DGKalis showing people what the right move is. GX is a bunch of moooaaaarrrrks. Not to mention how they ripped off a latina artists design for their MUNI logo. Wack sauce.

their YAMO stickers too. but seems as though some sort of agreement has happened between cecilia & ryan
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on January 08, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
Has everyone started to realise that GX isn't all that cool? I couldn't make it past 5 minutes into their latest video. Hill bombs aren't that exciting... and I've never liked watching people skate house spots.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: SIMPLY on January 08, 2019, 02:54:18 PM
I'd love to hear what agreement Ryan and Cecilia came to about the Muni bus ripoff, because that one was pretty wack
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: nasalcrilltobackpaddle on January 08, 2019, 03:13:24 PM
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I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack


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I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.
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verbal non-compliance only warrants soft touch(garner vs Tennessee) I had thought he told them to leave, they wouldnít, they moved barriers and he made first physical contact.


"In practice, however, the Garner case has had less impact on state-level police practices than originally may have been anticipated. This is because Garner, and a subsequent case, Graham v. Connor, 490 US 386 (1989), established that the reasonableness of an officer's use of force, whether against a fleeing suspect or otherwise, is to be determined from the perspective of the officer under the circumstances that were apparent to him or her at the time. As the Graham court made clear, this deferential standard prevents most second-guessing of an officer's judgment about use of force. Indeed, it may be that Garner's legacy is not so much one of changing the use of deadly force by police as it is of eliding use of force policies and practices by shifting them from the statutory to the customary."



Maybe you should read the entire wikipedia article next time, dummy
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: cynical cow on January 08, 2019, 03:52:43 PM
I wish I was able to donate more. That's awesome Kalis just dropped $500. I didn't realize the severity of his injury until today when I saw his gofundme. Horrible.
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: ShyLow on January 08, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
Has everyone started to realise that GX isn't all that cool? I couldn't make it past 5 minutes into their latest video. Hill bombs aren't that exciting... and I've never liked watching people skate house spots.

Maybe skateboard videos aren't your thing
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: GeorgeCostanza on January 08, 2019, 05:38:29 PM
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Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
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What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...itís just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.

In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. Youíre talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people donít even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.
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Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If youíre a good filmer, youíre recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. Itís not hard to do and many people do it well.

I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. Youíre a good poster and skate nerd, Iím sure you can think of more than I can.

You made a blanket statement and itís simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.

*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
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Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, thatís fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didnít feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didnít need any bums to convey a ďstreetĒ environment, Iím hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.
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I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.
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That and for some reason heckler canít cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.

Not arguing that itís played out or that there are far greater negative examplesóof course there are. Iím pointing out your saying that itís inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. Itís not. And just because some videos you love didnít use them, doesnít negate the fact that plenty have and itís improved the video.

This is all so off topic now.
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Planman, I actually pointed out the differentiation in intent in bold. And you're right, it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way (not saying compensation doesn't happen) is exploitative.

Mattchew, you're clearly grasping at straws. Not only did you approach me with a faux-academic response to an argument you made up for me, but I outlined and fine-tuned my stance in follow-up posts and you just keep referring to my initial, one sentence comment as if that's all I said on the issue. Yeah, some instances of putting homeless people in skate videos aren't outright exploitative (unless you go by my definition above), but most instances are, and you just keep referring to these "mystery videos" that homeless people have greatly improved. Can't think of one. But, regardless of that, PUTTING HOMELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR VIDEO IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY AND TRITE AS FUCK. What's next, sticking up for clips of dudes blowing cigarette smoke into the camera? A passionate discussion about the Shake Junt high five?

This is super off-topic and unless you want to start another thread, I won't be continuing this conversation.

fully agree with everything youve said here heckler
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: anontechnician on January 08, 2019, 05:55:48 PM

Hard to let this one go, donít see a problem with filming street
how is it exploitive

You donít love the human being with a tongue stickin out dressed in silver?
Title: Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
Post by: Dong Juan on January 08, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
This was bound to happen. I can't think of a single major video (probably is though) that didn't have b-roll that glorified confrontations. Shit even the Polar video had little Emile in a wrestling match with a security guard twice his size. You could just feel that someone would go t