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Title: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on March 23, 2019, 04:36:39 PM
So I'd like to make a pole jam soon, but I don't want to go through the process of buying a sledgehammer and a shovel, then breaking the ground and digging it up to put a pole inside (the Partanen Method).

I'd like to either A) dig a hole in some grass and then put the pole in and seal it with cement, or B) just put the pole on the ground and pour concrete around it to make it stick.

Does anyone have any tips on how to do this? It seems pretty straightforward. Or am I just being completely clueless about it?
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: SUPREMENECKPROTECTOR on March 25, 2019, 03:26:36 AM
We built some pole jams over the past couple years and i would recommend to not go with option B. We did this two times and initially it will work quite well but the fun wonīt last very long. Just pouring concrete on the ground is generally not a good idea because the edges will be really thin and break off eventually.

The last pole jam we built is a combination of the partanen method and option A. We broke the ground(hammer and chisel), put the pole jam in and sealed it with concrete. In my opinion this is the best method if you want to have something permanent which is also low maintenance.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: behavioralguide on March 25, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
3 legged A shape? bolt it to the ground?
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 25, 2019, 03:53:30 PM
Iím interested in hearing what people have done. Personally I would like to make something to kinda get used to doing them more
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on March 25, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
The last pole jam we built is a combination of the partanen method and option A. We broke the ground(hammer and chisel), put the pole jam in and sealed it with concrete. In my opinion this is the best method if you want to have something permanent which is also low maintenance.

Thanks for the advice! Very helpful. I guess I'll have to buy a sledgehammer and break the concrete. I've never done it before so hopefully I don't fuck it up.

3 legged A shape? bolt it to the ground?

Maybe...maybe, I honestly don't know how much work that would take, I haven't seen any instructional resources about doing it that way either. Seems like it might even take more work than busting the ground, but on the plus side, I won't have to worry about busted ground if I do that wrong.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Bumpovertrash on March 26, 2019, 08:19:36 AM
shove a old board in a crack
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: chris gentryfied on March 26, 2019, 08:27:21 AM
i think i've usually found a pre-existing hole and then deepened it as necessary. you want a fair amount of pole underground, about a foot. the great thing about polejams being metal is they act as re-bar and give the concrete something to cure to.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: belt on March 26, 2019, 05:40:21 PM
Make sure the pole grinds before you put it in the ground. I stuck on a fresh pole once and It was like hitting a rock at the end of a launch ramp. It was one of the worst slams of my life and I will not get close to a pole jam ever again. I shaved a piece of my hair of, hit my head and almost tore out my shoulder :'(
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on March 26, 2019, 07:30:20 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: dearwolf on March 27, 2019, 04:11:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/OXmDRba.jpg)

Interesting idea I saw on IG a few years ago, can't remember whose photo it is unfortunately.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on March 27, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
That looks titillating and perplexing.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Jimmydickface on March 31, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/OXmDRba.jpg)

Interesting idea I saw on IG a few years ago, can't remember whose photo it is unfortunately.

Whoever built that probably loves shop decks. Iíd like to be around when some 16 year old bits that with their new Honda Civic.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 06, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
If you can/know anyone who can weld, have them weld the PJ onto a small plate at desired angle, make sure that plate has 4 holes, use a hammer drill to install bolts into the ground, bolt the PJ in. Very easy method, but only if you have access to the aforementioned items.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on April 06, 2019, 02:09:56 PM
If you can/know anyone who can weld, have them weld the PJ onto a small plate at desired angle, make sure that plate has 4 holes, use a hammer drill to install bolts into the ground, bolt the PJ in. Very easy method, but only if you have access to the aforementioned items.

That's a good idea as well, thanks! My buddy works in construction and wants to build it with me, he's got access to tons of tools so maybe we can do it like that.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: shit_for_brains on April 06, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
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If you can/know anyone who can weld, have them weld the PJ onto a small plate at desired angle, make sure that plate has 4 holes, use a hammer drill to install bolts into the ground, bolt the PJ in. Very easy method, but only if you have access to the aforementioned items.
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That's a good idea as well, thanks! My buddy works in construction and wants to build it with me, he's got access to tons of tools so maybe we can do it like that.

Dig/break a small hole in the concrete and hammer in a few pieces of rebar close together. Bend the rebar to the desired angle, place a pipe over them, fill the pipe with concrete, and patch the hole covering the base of the pipe which is now below ground level.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: moonordie on May 15, 2019, 03:52:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/OXmDRba.jpg)

Interesting idea I saw on IG a few years ago, can't remember whose photo it is unfortunately.
Iluminati spot?  :o
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: E on May 15, 2019, 12:19:02 PM
Steal the design from Element:

https://youtu.be/s6rQ7nlTW_Y
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 17, 2019, 02:36:49 PM
   Get a car or truck (a beater) and just drive around looking for whichever pole you wanna jam.  Just pull up to the pole till your bumper meets with it and then give it gas till the pole jam is formed properly.  Not a bad idea to have a look out who can call you. 
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on May 17, 2019, 08:54:34 PM
Steal the design from Element:

https://youtu.be/s6rQ7nlTW_Y

Haha. Ah, what absolute trash.

   Get a car or truck (a beater) and just drive around looking for whichever pole you wanna jam.  Just pull up to the pole till your bumper meets with it and then give it gas till the pole jam is formed properly.  Not a bad idea to have a look out who can call you.

Thinking of doing that for a natty jam I saw nearby. The one I want to build is going to be in a skatepark though, so I can't bring a vehicle in there....sadly.


I've got my shopping list written out, going to buy everything and build it next weekend for sure, the itch is growing too big. I'll post photos as well.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Dustwardprez on May 26, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
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Steal the design from Element:

https://youtu.be/s6rQ7nlTW_Y
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Haha. Ah, what absolute trash.



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   Get a car or truck (a beater) and just drive around looking for whichever pole you wanna jam.  Just pull up to the pole till your bumper meets with it and then give it gas till the pole jam is formed properly.  Not a bad idea to have a look out who can call you.
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Thinking of doing that for a natty jam I saw nearby. The one I want to build is going to be in a skatepark though, so I can't bring a vehicle in there....sadly.


I've got my shopping list written out, going to buy everything and build it next weekend for sure, the itch is growing too big. I'll post photos as well.

Iíve skated one of these these arenít steep enough.

Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on June 15, 2019, 04:37:44 PM
Finally bought all the supplies and actually found a pole thanks to a tip from a friend of mine.

Most supplies aren't pictured in the photo, but I bought: 1 bag of quikcrete, 1 drain spade, 1 16 lb. sledgehammer, 1 mixing trough, 1 bucket, 1 trowel, safety glasses, respirators, safety gloves, and three pieces of foot-long rebar. 

(http://i.imgur.com/ojsloDx.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ojsloDx)

(http://i.imgur.com/mw0Wb3n.jpg) (https://imgur.com/mw0Wb3n)


It's going to be a bitch to dig a hole deep enough for the pole to go in if I use it as is, I'll probably get it cut down to 40 inches on Monday and then do everything either on Wednesday or the weekend. Home Depot doesn't cut metal, apparently. Weird.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 15, 2019, 06:28:45 PM
A homie with an angle grinder and 5 minutes is all you need.

Best of luck with the spot
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: E on June 21, 2019, 08:25:50 AM
Let's see the jammer!
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Candle opera on June 21, 2019, 09:21:04 AM
whoah oh black betty
pole jam-a-lam-a-lam
whoah oh black betty
pole jam-a-lam-a-lam
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on June 21, 2019, 09:49:01 AM
Let's see the jammer!

It's going slowly, I went there Wednesday and after 30 minutes of pounding at the concrete with a 16 lb. sledgehammer all I accomplished was this:

(http://i.imgur.com/r80Xdsp.jpg) (https://imgur.com/r80Xdsp)

Then a city worker was cutting the grass near me, stopped to watch, then got on her phone and started texting. I got paranoid that she was calling the police or other employees to talk to me so I got out of the park.

I have no one experienced to help me and even a friend of mine who works in construction said it's going to take way more effort and tools. But I'm not going to give up - next Wednesday I'm hiring a concrete specialist to come cut out the concrete, then I'll dig the hole and do the rest. Hopefully we can get it done in two hours.

I honestly thought the concrete would break easier and I'd get it done quicker, but no dice. I wanted to get it done by today for GSD but them's the breaks, pun absolutely intended.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Roisto on June 22, 2019, 01:47:05 PM
Thatís awesome man. Big respect for your dedication. Iíve been following this since the beginning and am interested in hearing how it goes. Might learn a bunch of stuff too reading about your experiences. 👍
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: el chino on June 22, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
Any time i read the threads title i keep reading it in the cheeseburger walrus' voice
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: E on June 24, 2019, 08:50:41 AM
Any time i read the threads title i keep reading it in the cheeseburger walrus' voice

HA - Thought you were referring to the Mustard Tiger there for a second.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: wiggitywiggity on August 28, 2019, 01:49:25 AM
Sooo, has the polejam been born?!?
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Clayton on October 21, 2020, 10:42:56 PM
Has anyone tried to make a natural pole jam in the streets with just a sledgehammer?

Thereís an almost perfect one by me that goes into a little ditch. Itís already bent but itís just barely too steep. Wondering if it would even be possible to bend it with just a sledgehammer?

Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: matty_c on October 22, 2020, 01:36:33 AM
She was texting her boyfriend saying look at this muppet

Sorry

Thatís kinda sick you just smacked fuck out of a slab with a sledge, heart for days
Hard work, fuck me youíre keen
Sounds like torture


Edit, my bad I intended on having a laugh then helping, I forgot to help
If you can get your hands on something with a sds bit just smash a wee hole in there, insert reo and concrete. Brute force like that is no good for your arms or the slab. Thorís just a movie, bro
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 24, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
I didn't think I'd get this invested, but I need to know what the status of the pole jam is. Thanks.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Hombreezy on October 26, 2020, 10:07:06 AM
Yíall havenít mentioned the easiest way. Find a spot where the cement meets the grass and thereís a sidewalk or more cement running next to it all . In the corner area of the grass where everything meets dig. Dig farther away from the sidewalk to make it a bigger gap. If you do it in the very corner, itís not even a gap at all. Then you put the pole in and boom, you and all the homies are pole jamming over the grass on to the sidewalk. Done this at multiple parks and spots before and it only takes an hour of hard work max. Usually lasts for a week or so before the city or someone digs up the pole.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: edssexTOY on October 29, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
Has anyone tried to make a natural pole jam in the streets with just a sledgehammer?

Thereís an almost perfect one by me that goes into a little ditch. Itís already bent but itís just barely too steep. Wondering if it would even be possible to bend it with just a sledgehammer?

Always been curious about this as well. I always imagined taking a bow torch to the bottom of the pole for awhile then hitting it with a sledge hammer. No idea if it would work or not. Anyone ever tried?
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 29, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
Sooo, has the polejam been born?!?

I didn't think I'd get this invested, but I need to know what the status of the pole jam is. Thanks.

Ah I couldn't get it done. The sledgehammer just wasn't going to do the job. I resigned myself to the fact that I needed to hire someone with a jackhammer or special drill to get a deep enough hole. Then I had money issues and couldn't pay for it. I still have the pole and even the bag of concrete, as well as the other tools. I actually found a natty pole jam this past spring so there was no need to build my own, but of course it's gone now. So hopefully next spring I'll get it done. I still want to do it; there still isn't any reliable, normal pole jam in my entire city.

She was texting her boyfriend saying look at this muppet

Yeah, probably. Honestly I watched a fucking how-to video with Al Partanen and he literally just took a sledgehammer to some concrete and somehow bust a hole open due to some pre-existing hole. It's all lies. I have very little construction or DIY experience and no one to help so I thought it would work out.

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If you can get your hands on something with a sds bit just smash a wee hole in there, insert reo and concrete. Brute force like that is no good for your arms or the slab. Thorís just a movie, bro

Never heard of an SDS bit or anything of the sort, I'll check that out.

Yíall havenít mentioned the easiest way. Find a spot where the cement meets the grass and thereís a sidewalk or more cement running next to it all . In the corner area of the grass where everything meets dig. Dig farther away from the sidewalk to make it a bigger gap. If you do it in the very corner, itís not even a gap at all. Then you put the pole in and boom, you and all the homies are pole jamming over the grass on to the sidewalk. Done this at multiple parks and spots before and it only takes an hour of hard work max. Usually lasts for a week or so before the city or someone digs up the pole.
I was looking for spots like this but no dice, plus I want to build a jam that lasts for awhile so I was scoping out abandoned buildings and their parking lots. But maybe I'll go on a deeper hunt next time.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Lloyd Braun on October 29, 2020, 06:10:00 PM
You mentioned you wanted to put it at your local park initially I think? Itís not impossible but will be difficult since they likely poured 4-6inches of concrete and busting that up to put your pole in would be a big undertaking.

The cheapest and easiest method (which I think I mentioned before) would be to find someone ideally a buddy, to weld a plate onto the pole at your desired angle with holes for some bolts. borrow or rent an SDS concrete hammer drill and insert some bolts tighten them down and your done. If you have to pay a welder to do it it probably would be less than $50 if you have all the materials. But if you know anyone that welds itís likely they could do it all from scrap at their job. I paid a buddy to weld me a flat bar and he was able to use all scrap material and I paid him $50 for his time.

Hereís an example a friend made at a local DIY as well as links to the materials I mentioned above.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bafb9w_lrJL/

https://www.lowes.com/pd/DEWALT-20-Volt-Max-1-in-SDS-Plus-Cordless-Rotary-Hammer-2-Batteries-and-Charge-Included/1001431230

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Red-Head-10-Pack-3-3-4-in-x-1-2-in-Wedge-Anchors/1000775736?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-hdw-_-google-_-lia-_-126-_-masonryanchoring-_-1000775736-_-0&placeholder=null&gclid=CjwKCAjw0On8BRAgEiwAincsHDAtMo3Z0UPv1Do1t-yHNZncTXwc_yaAYFoZj3dPO1y0-eg4HAZE3RoC0OoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


Edit: the only downside to this method is itís really easy to steal or take out, all they need is a wrench. So if you bend the bolts after the nuts are tight and you already have concrete Iíd pour some around the bolts. Still pretty easy to take out by say the city but it will deter crack heads from just stealing it to scrap.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Ray C. Usery on October 29, 2020, 09:59:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgdRjpWx6R0

After 3:25 you will see a simple pole jam that any welder could build you for $100 just from their scrap. I have better footage of it somewhere but I cant find it.

Hit up Busenitz he'd probably make you one. You can take it anywhere or bolt it down
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 30, 2020, 08:48:40 PM
Those are good ideas @Ray C. Usery @Michnich191 I may just go with those options. Bolting a pole to the ground is probably the best idea.

Still don't really know where to do it, I called the city to ask for permission to build it in the park and was denied, so I'm a bit paranoid that they'll know it was me if I do in fact build it in the park. It's been snowing for the past two weeks and the weather won't be consistently warm until fucking April, so that's like seven months, so when I emerge from hibernation I'll explore those ideas.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: matty_c on October 31, 2020, 10:27:17 PM
I had a look at that video yeah thatís total bullshit and kind of infuriating why bother making a tutorial video at all if itís just shit advice
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 01, 2020, 04:15:16 PM
I had a look at that video yeah thatís total bullshit and kind of infuriating why bother making a tutorial video at all if itís just shit advice

It's weird, huh. He goes to Home Depot and buys a sledge and everything. And then he just so happens to bust a hole where there's already a hole underneath. And my thought process was like, okay even if there's not a pre-existing hole, I'll just be able to dig one out after I bust through the concrete. Why would I buy this sledgehammer otherwise? But nope.
Title: Re: Building a friggin' pole jam
Post by: matty_c on November 03, 2020, 07:22:53 PM
Yeah you can see the spray paint where they marked and cut a bit out with a concrete cutter or something
Donít hire one mate they can kick like a motherfucker if you catch the blade on something

The lads that said to bolt it down are right thatís the easiest way with tools but you still need a sds hammer drill

I skated a diy in Pattaya one time and it was a paved brick surface they had removed one brick and just smashed it into the ground and concreted it in
Thatís the easiest way with no tools just a sledge but again itís already been mentioned