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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: links, pics, and quotes on November 09, 2019, 03:17:33 PM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manslaughter (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manslaughter)
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https://www.ocbj.com/news/2002/jul/15/black-fly-named-in-skateboarder-death-suit/ (https://www.ocbj.com/news/2002/jul/15/black-fly-named-in-skateboarder-death-suit/)
Costa Mesa's Black Fly Industries Inc. has found itself tangled up in a $50 million lawsuit over the death of a rising skateboard star who drowned at a Malibu house party last year.
The family of Keenan Milton of Los Angeles is suing the owner of the Malibu house, Black Fly and other companies cited as party sponsors in a suit filed June 26 in Los Angeles Superior Court.
The family is suing for negligence, wrongful death and premises liability, according to the suit.
Jack Martinez, Black Fly's co-owner, said he wasn't aware of the suit as of last week. But he said his company didn't sponsor the party, nor did he attend.
John K. Pierson, the Miltons' lawyer, contends Black Fly, Santa Monica-based Red Bull Inc., Kik Wear Industries and Third Rail USA Inc., both of Los Angeles, sponsored the party and touted their brands by hanging banners at the house. Black Fly, a maker of sunglasses and other products, has a licensing pact with apparel maker Kik Wear.
Pierson said the party was thrown a year ago at the house of Scott Freedman, a Kik Wear partner, to celebrate the Fourth of July and birthday of Carmella Pignatore, Freedman's sister. Both are named in the suit, among other attendees.
The bash drew about 1,000 people, including athletes from skateboarding, motorcycling and BMX racing, according to the suit. The suit charges many party goers were underage, drinking excessively, doing drugs and jumping off the house into a pool.
On July 5, Milton, 26, was in the pool, which was murky from trash, the suit said. Milton was hit on the head by a guest who jumped off the patio railing, roof or other structure, the suit said. Milton died of asphyxiation from drowning. The suit said he was in the pool for half an hour before being found.
The suit charges the defendants didn't provide a trained lifeguard, security or trained bartenders.
Pierson said the defendants have 30 days to respond to the suit, which could go to court within a year. Milton, an African-American in the largely white world of skateboarding, was a team rider for Torrance-based Chocolate skateboards and Tarzana-based DVS Shoe Co.
https://ocweekly.com/jack-martinez-and-his-black-flys-are-back-6422563/ (https://ocweekly.com/jack-martinez-and-his-black-flys-are-back-6422563/)
On Independence Day 2001, a lot of people were drinking, smoking weed, doing Ecstasy and coke during a Malibu event sponsored by Red Bull, Kik Wear Industries and Black Flys. Keenan Milton, a skateboard star, was swimming in a pool choked with plastic cups and other junk. Someone jumped from the house roof into the pool; Milton took a powerful blow to the head and drowned. There was too much stuff floating on the pool surface to see a man was drowning. Milton's body wasn't pulled out of the pool until 30 minutes later, according to a complaint bought by his family.
Martinez missed the party. He was in Hawaii, but Black Flys and the other companies producing the party were hit with a premise liability suit by Milton's family in 2002. It was dismissed in 2004, but Martinez spent $25,000 on attorney's fees defending himself.
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I misread that as "Man's laughter"... like he died from laughing too hard (a la Monty Python)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FzUI8998U
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this is such a bummer
has this been talked about on here?
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Damn, never heard this part of the story before... didn’t know someone else had jumped off the house and knocked him out. I always assumed he was just wasted, fell into the pool and couldn’t swim.
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Damn, never heard this part of the story before... didn’t know someone else had jumped off the house and knocked him out. I always assumed he was just wasted, fell into the pool and couldn’t swim.
That’s how I took it too after seeing hearing Rudy Johnson talk about it. Really weird and sudden change in the story 20+ years later
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
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Cardiel thing?
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has this been talked about on here?
I was there that day in Malibu and did not know him prior or that he was a fellow skater till we started talking. He was engaging and a way free sprit super cool guy. He did not seem like he was to faded or anything like that just having the time of his life and chatting up the lady's like we all were. It was one of those party's were you walk around and see the same people every hour or so so I must have said what's up to him and saw him smiling at least 10 times. It was a house party on the top of a hillside for like 3 days straight anyway. How I remember it I woke up the next day to someone screaming and a commotion and they were saying someone had drowned in the pool sometime around the day or night before. As far as I can remember the pool was packed full the whole time even at nights so I could see how no one would know till the next day. I don't know how it happen and never heard anything about an autopsy or if the rumors are true that some drunk asshole jumped from the roof and landed on him knocking him out. I do know that the last time I saw him he had a smile on his face ear to ear listening to perry farrell spinning and chatting up the lady's and that's how I choose to remember him.
Anybody have further information on how he passed? I heard someone jumped off a roof and hit him, and he hit his head somehow and ended up going unconscious in the pool, obviously alcohol not helping the situation. Not sure if that's correct or not.
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Damn, never heard this part of the story before... didn’t know someone else had jumped off the house and knocked him out. I always assumed he was just wasted, fell into the pool and couldn’t swim.
That’s how I took it too after seeing hearing Rudy Johnson talk about it. Really weird and sudden change in the story 20+ years later
super weird. i never heard that part of the story before either (tho i guess you could've read those articles 15+ years ago). it seems everyone is always intentionally vague about him drowning and why/how, always thought no one knew for sure
but like who jumped off the roof? for someone to say that's what happened they have to know who it is, or someone saw, right? or are ppl just guessing that's what happened
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That company was mad into the drugs.
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I'm guessing he head some kind of head contusion (top of the head) or evidence of impact that came up in an autopsy. Regular drowning wouldn't have that, of course.
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Per Lee Smith in the Chocolate episode of Epicly Later'd, I always thought it was cocaine related. Like he fell into the pool while high or went into cardiac arrest and died before slipping into the pool. Either way, the story ends with all of the dumbass party goers being too wasted to help in a timely fashion.
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Judging by the fact that his family originally sued for wrongful death, I don't think that manslaughter really plays a role here. If California didn't pursue this guy who allegedly jumped into the pool, then I'd probably think this was just a freak accident in the most tragic way possible. That being said, I can't believe Keenan was only 26 when he passed. Such a talented skateboarder.
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What a sad thread :(
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Judging by the fact that his family originally sued for wrongful death, I don't think that manslaughter really plays a role here. If California didn't pursue this guy who allegedly jumped into the pool, then I'd probably think this was just a freak accident in the most tragic way possible. That being said, I can't believe Keenan was only 26 when he passed. Such a talented skateboarder.
Could still be that it was the case, but that scene would probably be very hard to investigate since there could've been a bunch of people jumping in the pool, everyone was faded and obviously no one, including the jumper, noticed when it happened.
Could also be family/friends being in denial not wanting to believe it was drug related. All the interviews I've seen about it have implied it was drug/alcohol related and I'd assume someone would've wanted to correct it if it wasn't the case
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Devandra Banhart talked about this in an interview in some random fashion magazine back in 2011. It was a well known filmer who jumped on him. They dropped out of the industry soon after. I'm sure people can Collage together the pieces. DM for details.
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Devandra Banhart talked about this in an interview in some random fashion magazine back in 2011. It was a well known filmer who jumped on him. They dropped out of the industry soon after. I'm sure people can Collage together the pieces. DM for details.
https://www.spin.com/2013/03/devendra-banhart-mala-new-album-influences/ (https://www.spin.com/2013/03/devendra-banhart-mala-new-album-influences/)
On this record there is a song called ‘The Ballad of Keenan Milton.’ Keenan was a skateboarder that died under very tragic circumstances. Supposedly he was at a party and somebody jumped off the roof into the pool and actually hit him, and nobody noticed and he drowned. He died much too young, under very tragic circumstances.
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Damn, you're fast!
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Sooo it was Danny Minnick? Oooof
My buddy was at that party,his side was that there was a lot of coke and booze and Keenan was feeling it...then he was found in the pool and it was like a record stopping. Tragic as fuck to this day,as lame as those phrases are,dude was such a personality and amazing skater
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Per Lee Smith in the Chocolate episode of Epicly Later'd, I always thought it was cocaine related. Like he fell into the pool while high or went into cardiac arrest and died before slipping into the pool. Either way, the story ends with all of the dumbass party goers being too wasted to help in a timely fashion.
This is what I always thought too.
99% positive his TWS memorial stated cardiac arrest.
Pretty fucking insane if that’s not the case. Damn.
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Devandra Banhart talked about this in an interview in some random fashion magazine back in 2011. It was a well known filmer who jumped on him. They dropped out of the industry soon after. I'm sure people can Collage together the pieces. DM for details.
https://www.spin.com/2013/03/devendra-banhart-mala-new-album-influences/ (https://www.spin.com/2013/03/devendra-banhart-mala-new-album-influences/)
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On this record there is a song called ‘The Ballad of Keenan Milton.’ Keenan was a skateboarder that died under very tragic circumstances. Supposedly he was at a party and somebody jumped off the roof into the pool and actually hit him, and nobody noticed and he drowned. He died much too young, under very tragic circumstances.
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Damn, that is fucked if true. Wonder why the family never pursued him, and also pretty fucked that the industry has been covering for this dude the whole time, leaving people under the impression that Keenan od'd
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Yo what in the fuck are people smoking on here. This dude was at a party with a lot of drugs and alcohol, this dude prolly was obliterated if it is true. What’s illegal(other then the drugs) of a guy jumping off a railing and accidentally hitting someone? This isn’t like fucking Ali and Shane u fucking idiots, he wasn’t driving a motorcycle/car or anything idiotic, he was just partying. It wasn’t like this dude purposefully tried to fall on top of fucking Keenan. If you’ve never been to a pool party where people don’t try to jump in that shit from stupid places, then you have either never been to a pool party, or the ones u go to are lame af.
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Yo what in the fuck are people smoking on here. This dude was at a party with a lot of drugs and alcohol, this dude prolly was obliterated if it is true. What’s illegal(other then the drugs) of a guy jumping off a railing and accidentally hitting someone? This isn’t like fucking Ali and Shane u fucking idiots, he wasn’t driving a motorcycle/car or anything idiotic, he was just partying. It wasn’t like this dude purposefully tried to fall on top of fucking Keenan. If you’ve never been to a pool party where people don’t try to jump in that shit from stupid places, then you have either never been to a pool party, or the ones u go to are lame af.
You sound like you have jumped onto someones head in a pool before.
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Yah Lee was saying in a version of events that he gave, that in those minutes/hours of Keenans death, people were freaking and blame was being thrown around. But that everyone was passed that now. I think that was refering to Danny Minnick.
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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No cause people thought for years that Keenan had some kind of drug overdose which was bullshit. Bullshit isn't 'the way' imo. Edit also love to Danny Minnick man. That would fucking suck. Dudes done stuff for skating, showcased some shit for us like Penny and Muska and more.
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i'm trying to extend an olive branch in my mind but this reads like a family not being able to deal with another tragic, yet not uncommon fatal accident involving substance abuse.
if someone did hit his head he was probably already dead or played it off like he was cool then later died. am i to believe this pool was scrooge mcduck levels of solo cups?
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If you haven't ever watched it Danny has pretty sick part in an h-street video. Good skater.
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am i to believe this pool was scrooge mcduck levels of solo cups?
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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Autopsy proved otherwise though... Also people die from alcohol poisoning for sure but it seems he was getting down on the white sack and booze. Unless hes chugging a bottle of booze (which doesn't seem to fit him) no one in a party setting that was 'not wasted' on many accounts, is not going to OD on booze. Also if the white sack was available like the story seems, Kennen would've been more tooted up than anything. People don't die from cocaine.
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To answer a previous poster, yes this has been discussed here ad nauseam. The site archives only go back so far. The news story is based on a loss of consortium claim filed by the family and not necessarily to be taken as proof of cause of death. I believe the case was dismissed by the plaintiffs so there's not much to read from the case file.
I think the first story from skate media I read was that he experienced some sort of shock after entering a pool intoxicated (along with spontaneous combustion, people once believed this was an actual way to die).
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Fuck, this thread mad me real sad. What a tragedy.
LPQ = POTY
Cheetah you are such a dipshit.
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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Autopsy proved otherwise though... Also people die from alcohol poisoning for sure but it seems he was getting down on the white sack and booze. Unless hes chugging a bottle of booze (which doesn't seem to fit him) no one in a party setting that was 'not wasted' on many accounts, is not going to OD on booze. Also if the white sack was available like the story seems, Kennen would've been more tooted up than anything. People don't die from cocaine.
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I have this weird memory from about 12 years ago, I was working my at local at the time and Kris Markovich was there promoting one of his new companies. There were a bunch of people hanging out In the shop and kris starting looking at this little boardwalk we had of signed decks and one of them Keenan choco board and he made a comment about how amazing it was that we had that, and then some guy in the shop said something along the lines of “too bad he OD’d gone to soon” and I distinctly remember Markovitch getting really pissed and yelling at the guy “you don’t know what happened, you weren’t there!”
The whole vibe was weird and it seemed like Kris knew something more but no one was going to ask.
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You don’t jump on a dudes head and not notice... tragic accident but the dude who landed on him could have turned it around.
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brian jones all over again. i wonder if there were any gang members doing security at the party?
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You don’t jump on a dudes head and not notice... tragic accident but the dude who landed on him could have turned it around.
You know all this how?
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https://youtu.be/ngm9lWz9H5o
Why would someone even make this song
I wont listen to it but I guess I'll share it.
Fuck whatever a devandra bannedhard is
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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Autopsy proved otherwise though... Also people die from alcohol poisoning for sure but it seems he was getting down on the white sack and booze. Unless hes chugging a bottle of booze (which doesn't seem to fit him) no one in a party setting that was 'not wasted' on many accounts, is not going to OD on booze. Also if the white sack was available like the story seems, Kennen would've been more tooted up than anything. People don't die from cocaine.
Ummmmmm are you the stupidest person on earth?
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I just watched his H-Street, next generation part. Super bizarre that the part starts with him climbing up to the top of a water fountain, then getting mug shots taken! (And the part ends with him saying 'I'm sorry'...)
https://youtu.be/pO3c5Bn_TKA (https://youtu.be/pO3c5Bn_TKA)
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I just watched his H-Street, next generation part. Super bizarre that the part starts with him climbing up to the top of a water fountain, then getting mug shots taken! (And the part ends with him saying 'I'm sorry'...)
https://youtu.be/pO3c5Bn_TKA (https://youtu.be/pO3c5Bn_TKA)
He may have been the best at a style that hit the bricks and a died quick death -'lip dancing' i think its called? Anyway he makes shit look awsome imo. He does a fakie to fakie sweeper grind (:44) in this!!^. Nbds.
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Yo what in the fuck are people smoking on here. This dude was at a party with a lot of drugs and alcohol, this dude prolly was obliterated if it is true. What’s illegal(other then the drugs) of a guy jumping off a railing and accidentally hitting someone? This isn’t like fucking Ali and Shane u fucking idiots, he wasn’t driving a motorcycle/car or anything idiotic, he was just partying. It wasn’t like this dude purposefully tried to fall on top of fucking Keenan. If you’ve never been to a pool party where people don’t try to jump in that shit from stupid places, then you have either never been to a pool party, or the ones u go to are lame af.
Look, I don't have the heart to tell you to stop posting entirely, but I think you should take a two week break
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
I was watching Cardiel's Epicly Later'd the other week, and I noticed that the recollection of the story he tells has him approaching the van to ask about directions to the next location they were headed too. But in Matt Rodriguez's Chrome Ball, he clearly states that Cardiel was trying to get a lighter and was refusing to wait until they got they were going. Thought that was interesting, but I can see why he would lie about it since he was almost paralyzed from the waist down because he was impatient.
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
I joined SLAP in 2001 and Keenan’s death was something that could not be discussed on here. It’s kind of a good thing that it’s out there now because it can serve as an example to the next generation. Be safe when you’re partying. People can die or get seriously hurt when they’re intoxicated.
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Keenan era was a bit before my time, but I always thought "being too drunk and drowning" seemed strange. Even if he was coked up, I still have a hard time believing that caused him to drown.
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Hi links, pics & quotes.
I'm wondering if I can hire you if I'm ever in need of a good private investigator?
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Why would someone even make this song
I wont listen to it but I guess I'll share it.
Fuck whatever a devandra bannedhard is
He's a pretty well known musician that used to skate. You've probably heard his music in skate videos before like this Yaje part. Wouldn't be surprised if he knew Keenan, but I have no idea if he did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g4KrNU69Dk
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
Yeah there's pretty much no chance those dudes were sober...last day on an absolutely epic trip, hellride, etc. but substances are never, ever brought up in relation to that accident. I get it being an incredibly sensitive subject, but also the stigma needs to be dropped. What's done is done and there's no changing it so ignoring it is pretty fucked up.
Skate culture never addresses how ruthless substance abuse is, which is weird because at this point it's so prevalent in everyone's lives; pretty much everyone knows someone who has died from substance abuse.
Dead:
Van
Shane
Phelps
Keenan
Mike Davis
Phil Shao (hit by drunk driver)
Permanently Injured:
Mike mo
Cards
Ali
I'm sure there are many others.
Too much secrecy and gatekeeping in the industry and it's straight up harmful.
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
I don't know about the Cardiel incident. They were probably highly intoxicated, but that stunt sounds like a pretty normal thing for him to do
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
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I guarantee nobody knew what happened until it was way too late. Some of you are trying to turn Danny Minnick in to Charles Manson, on some rumor shit. I’ve absolutely been fucked up and jumped in a Pool without looking, or even thinking.
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
Yeah that's true, kinda looked at it differently
I guarantee nobody knew what happened until it was way too late. Some of you are trying to turn Danny Minnick in to Charles Manson, on some rumor shit. I’ve absolutely been fucked up and jumped in a Pool without looking, or even thinking.
I don't think anyone is making him out to be a murderer. It was an accident and obviously no one realized what had happened, but I find it weird that all of his friends would let people be think he od'd if that wasn't the case
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https://youtu.be/ngm9lWz9H5o
Why would someone even make this song
I wont listen to it but I guess I'll share it.
Fuck whatever a devandra bannedhard is
I've never really listened to the dudes music but he's actually pretty good at skating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpWozptg1rA
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
Yeah there's pretty much no chance those dudes were sober...last day on an absolutely epic trip, hellride, etc. but substances are never, ever brought up in relation to that accident. I get it being an incredibly sensitive subject, but also the stigma needs to be dropped. What's done is done and there's no changing it so ignoring it is pretty fucked up.
Skate culture never addresses how ruthless substance abuse is, which is weird because at this point it's so prevalent in everyone's lives; pretty much everyone knows someone who has died from substance abuse.
Dead:
Van
Shane
Phelps
Keenan
Mike Davis
Phil Shao (hit by drunk driver)
Permanently Injured:
Mike mo
Cards
Ali
I'm sure there are many others.
Too much secrecy and gatekeeping in the industry and it's straight up harmful.
Pstone as well. Sad shit man
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
Yeah there's pretty much no chance those dudes were sober...last day on an absolutely epic trip, hellride, etc. but substances are never, ever brought up in relation to that accident. I get it being an incredibly sensitive subject, but also the stigma needs to be dropped. What's done is done and there's no changing it so ignoring it is pretty fucked up.
Skate culture never addresses how ruthless substance abuse is, which is weird because at this point it's so prevalent in everyone's lives; pretty much everyone knows someone who has died from substance abuse.
Dead:
Van
Shane
Phelps
Keenan
Mike Davis
Phil Shao (hit by drunk driver)
Permanently Injured:
Mike mo
Cards
Ali
I'm sure there are many others.
Too much secrecy and gatekeeping in the industry and it's straight up harmful.
Pstone as well. Sad shit man
Blaize Blouin was also hit by a drunk driver, if I remember correctly.
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https://youtu.be/ngm9lWz9H5o
Why would someone even make this song
I wont listen to it but I guess I'll share it.
Fuck whatever a devandra bannedhard is
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Yo what in the fuck are people smoking on here. This dude was at a party with a lot of drugs and alcohol, this dude prolly was obliterated if it is true. What’s illegal(other then the drugs) of a guy jumping off a railing and accidentally hitting someone? This isn’t like fucking Ali and Shane u fucking idiots, he wasn’t driving a motorcycle/car or anything idiotic, he was just partying. It wasn’t like this dude purposefully tried to fall on top of fucking Keenan. If you’ve never been to a pool party where people don’t try to jump in that shit from stupid places, then you have either never been to a pool party, or the ones u go to are lame af.
You sound like you have jumped onto someones head in a pool before.
Open and shut case.
https://youtu.be/LBOvfN2Y4oo
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
w/d he wouldn't have suffered if his teammates didn't flush his stash. that's why it's downplayed. don't come between a man and his heroin.
[but it should be said i'm just spreading rumors that i wasn't there for like poolgate and brickgate and screwdrivergate]
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
[but it should be said i'm just spreading rumors that i wasn't there for like poolgate and brickgate and screwdrivergate]
Yes blame it on his friends trying to help him. Hot take.
You should lead the charge in focusgate.
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Yo what in the fuck are people smoking on here. This dude was at a party with a lot of drugs and alcohol, this dude prolly was obliterated if it is true. What’s illegal(other then the drugs) of a guy jumping off a railing and accidentally hitting someone? This isn’t like fucking Ali and Shane u fucking idiots, he wasn’t driving a motorcycle/car or anything idiotic, he was just partying. It wasn’t like this dude purposefully tried to fall on top of fucking Keenan. If you’ve never been to a pool party where people don’t try to jump in that shit from stupid places, then you have either never been to a pool party, or the ones u go to are lame af.
You sound like you have jumped onto someones head in a pool before.
Open and shut case.
https://youtu.be/LBOvfN2Y4oo
I actually don’t like pool parties because shit like this always inevitably happens. I make a conscious effort to avoid them, I would much rather go to a rave or nightclub or warehouse show then go to like Lit pool parties. Dumb shit always happens at them, like bra I’ve had some shitty experiences in Vegas, LA, and NYC before lmfao. Y’all bein soft and weak af tryin to go at me. Sometimes people die and if u don’t think they took a calculated risk on dying, depending on how they die, u a fucking tard. Keenan is a straight fucking gangster, one of the greatest styles on a board. Sometimes sad shit happens, and if u just try to find a way of coping to push blame onto other people, then u aren’t bein a good human because u ain’t bein real.
Shalom fuckheads
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Yo what in the fuck are people smoking on here. This dude was at a party with a lot of drugs and alcohol, this dude prolly was obliterated if it is true. What’s illegal(other then the drugs) of a guy jumping off a railing and accidentally hitting someone? This isn’t like fucking Ali and Shane u fucking idiots, he wasn’t driving a motorcycle/car or anything idiotic, he was just partying. It wasn’t like this dude purposefully tried to fall on top of fucking Keenan. If you’ve never been to a pool party where people don’t try to jump in that shit from stupid places, then you have either never been to a pool party, or the ones u go to are lame af.
You sound like you have jumped onto someones head in a pool before.
Open and shut case.
https://youtu.be/LBOvfN2Y4oo
I actually don’t like pool parties because shit like this always inevitably happens. I make a conscious effort to avoid them, I would much rather go to a rave or nightclub or warehouse show then go to like Lit pool parties. Dumb shit always happens at them, like bra I’ve had some shitty experiences in Vegas, LA, and NYC before lmfao. Y’all bein soft and weak af tryin to go at me. Sometimes people die and if u don’t think they took a calculated risk on dying, depending on how they die, u a fucking tard. Keenan is a straight fucking gangster, one of the greatest styles on a board. Sometimes sad shit happens, and if u just try to find a way of coping to push blame onto other people, then u aren’t bein a good human because u ain’t bein real.
Shalom fuckheads
"Y’all bein soft and weak af tryin to go at me."
lol
"Sometimes people die and if u don’t think they took a calculated risk on dying, depending on how they die, u a fucking tard."
Also what does this mean? I'm fucking lost.
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
[but it should be said i'm just spreading rumors that i wasn't there for like poolgate and brickgate and screwdrivergate]
Yes blame it on his friends trying to help him. Hot take.
You should lead the charge in focusgate.
you right. what a successful intervention!
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
From what I recall hearing-
At a red light Cardiel went to get the lighter/directions from the van towing a trailer in front of their car. The driver of the van took off when the light turned green not knowing cardiel was back there and the trailer hit him. Seems like a freak accident.
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
From what I recall hearing-
At a red light Cardiel went to get the lighter/directions from the van towing a trailer in front of their car. The driver of the van took off when the light turned green not knowing cardiel was back there and the trailer hit him. Seems like a freak accident.
Oh really? I always thought he tried to jump from a moving van to another or something crazy like that
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jesus christ
What happened?
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
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What happened?
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
Read the recent Matt Rod Chrome Ball. Everything is explained there for anyone not already familiar with what happened.
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
You can't sit there from ur computer chair 20 years later saying which states people are going to be in, 100% noticing all they're surroundings scoping for dead people. What do you think? that people were laughing it up, "ha ha we're too high on blow to even care about people dying ha ha." No they were just some people at a party. Don't tempt fate (lest the same situation happens to you) by condemning people from a party you weren't even there for, not even 1st hand accounts.
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
Okay. Well, even if they were "just some people at a party," still kind of strange that with all those people there, no noticed Keenan. Because usually...even if you're at a party, and partying...you still have a brain and have developed awareness of your surroundings. Maybe everyone was completely blackout drunk/faded, sure - but that seems unlikely. Also, thank you for your concern that I'm possibly tempting fate.
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
Okay. Well, even if they were "just some people at a party," still kind of strange that with all those people there, no noticed Keenan. Because usually...even if you're at a party, and partying...you still have a brain and have developed awareness of your surroundings. Maybe everyone was completely blackout drunk/faded, sure - but that seems unlikely. Also, thank you for your concern that I'm possibly tempting fate.
Well it still happened. Or are you suggesting that people saw him floating and just let him die? That seems a lot more unlikely
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i'm with a few others on this one,, never heard of anyone jumping on him....and from what I remember from the info that came out years ago, made it seem like there was no one around when he went into the pool (high and drunk)... and that he couldn't swim either...got found later when it was too late
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
Okay. Well, even if they were "just some people at a party," still kind of strange that with all those people there, no noticed Keenan. Because usually...even if you're at a party, and partying...you still have a brain and have developed awareness of your surroundings. Maybe everyone was completely blackout drunk/faded, sure - but that seems unlikely. Also, thank you for your concern that I'm possibly tempting fate.
Well it still happened. Or are you suggesting that people saw him floating and just let him die? That seems a lot more unlikely
I don't think Adam has read the full thread. The pool was supposedly trashed after 3 days of partying (there were probably solo cups, inflatables, empty beers/cases, etc.) It's more than possible that he got laid out on accident by someone jumping on him/drowned (while also being intoxicated) and no one even noticed that he was in the pool. If it was late, 2-4 am, then I'm sure people were passed out at that point.
Such a sad and horrible situation all around.
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
Okay. Well, even if they were "just some people at a party," still kind of strange that with all those people there, no noticed Keenan. Because usually...even if you're at a party, and partying...you still have a brain and have developed awareness of your surroundings. Maybe everyone was completely blackout drunk/faded, sure - but that seems unlikely. Also, thank you for your concern that I'm possibly tempting fate.
Well it still happened. Or are you suggesting that people saw him floating and just let him die? That seems a lot more unlikely
I don't think Adam has read the full thread. The pool was supposedly trashed after 3 days of partying (there were probably solo cups, inflatables, empty beers/cases, etc.) It's more than possible that he got laid out on accident by someone jumping on him/drowned (while also being intoxicated) and no one even noticed that he was in the pool. If it was late, 2-4 am, then I'm sure people were passed out at that point.
Such a sad and horrible situation all around.
That's true, thanks for pointing that out. I forgot the fact that the pool was trashed, that would've made him harder to notice. My train of thought was that with the pool being out in the open, and the party being so big with lots of people, and him being such a friendly guy who everyone liked, for him to have gone unnoticed is surreal to me. I don't mean to heap guilt on those who were there.
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I remember hearing both sides that he OD’d and that someone jumped on him. If you’re blacked out and jump onto someone in a pool and kill them and there’s a bunch of blow around, the scene could get weird very quick. I’m sure that once everyone at the party realized the death they would freak out. I’m pretty sure everyone at the party told the cops they didn’t know what happened, he had been drinking and doing drugs, found in the pool, supposedly dead in pool for 30min.
I believe it was maybe known through the industry that Keenan had a heart problem so the drugs made sense but that could’ve been made up or something I heard later.
Seems like a freak accident but if you injure someone bad you have to call 911 right away.
Could’ve jumped on him Keenan says I’m ok chills in pool and passes out seconds/minutes later.
Freak accident most likely
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Where does Minnik 2 Society fit in to all of this? Were y’all saying that HE’S the person to jump off the roof? Talk about a plot twist after 20 years.
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This is the first time I'm seeing Minnick's name associated with Keenan's death as well. Of course he must've been exonerated of all charges. The whole thing just seems like a huge fucked-up mess - I can't believe people would be so faded/negligent that they'd let someone just float in a pool until they died. I know it was a party with drugs, but still. No one noticed?
Plus, I thought I was the only one confused by the details of Cardiel's accident. I've heard/read it multiple times and still have no idea what really happened. It's always been murky. For the longest time I thought he was bombing a hill and a vehicle hit him.
Okay. Well, even if they were "just some people at a party," still kind of strange that with all those people there, no noticed Keenan. Because usually...even if you're at a party, and partying...you still have a brain and have developed awareness of your surroundings. Maybe everyone was completely blackout drunk/faded, sure - but that seems unlikely. Also, thank you for your concern that I'm possibly tempting fate.
Well it still happened. Or are you suggesting that people saw him floating and just let him die? That seems a lot more unlikely
I don't think Adam has read the full thread. The pool was supposedly trashed after 3 days of partying (there were probably solo cups, inflatables, empty beers/cases, etc.) It's more than possible that he got laid out on accident by someone jumping on him/drowned (while also being intoxicated) and no one even noticed that he was in the pool. If it was late, 2-4 am, then I'm sure people were passed out at that point.
Such a sad and horrible situation all around.
That's true, thanks for pointing that out. I forgot the fact that the pool was trashed, that would've made him harder to notice. My train of thought was that with the pool being out in the open, and the party being so big with lots of people, and him being such a friendly guy who everyone liked, for him to have gone unnoticed is surreal to me. I don't mean to heap guilt on those who were there.
the majority of people don’t understand the reality of drowning .. it happens in pure silence and is very hard to detect someone struggling even when you’re watching and waiting for it to happen . a drowned person will not float but sink and go easily unnoticed
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Keenan era was a bit before my time, but I always thought "being too drunk and drowning" seemed strange. Even if he was coked up, I still have a hard time believing that caused him to drown.
People get drunk and drown all the time. Just do a google search on "drinking and drowning". Dennis Wilson (ironically, the only Beach Boy who could surf) famously drowned while drunk diving, while Whitney Houston and Delores O'Riordan drowned in bath tubs while intoxicated. It's generally not a good idea to get drunk before submerging yourself in a substance that you can't breath in, especially if you can't swim.
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so they spent the last 20 years making it sound like it was drugs, and it was his undoing
but completely brush aside the fact someone jumped off a 2nd story patio onto him
more girl/chocolate sketchy shit
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If you are already freaked out around water, then you should read about dry drowning.
https://www.webmd.com/children/features/secondary-drowning-dry-drowning#1
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I still remember the moment I found out Keenan died. Didn't realize he was only 26. Dude was so young.
I vaguely recall hearing about Danny Minnick kooking himself out of skating back in the early 2000s, but not for any reasons related to Keenan. Genie of the Lamp was somewhat of a cult classic in late 90s skateboarding though.
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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Autopsy proved otherwise though... Also people die from alcohol poisoning for sure but it seems he was getting down on the white sack and booze. Unless hes chugging a bottle of booze (which doesn't seem to fit him) no one in a party setting that was 'not wasted' on many accounts, is not going to OD on booze. Also if the white sack was available like the story seems, Kennen would've been more tooted up than anything. People don't die from cocaine.
Everything I heard was drowning from being under the influence. A heart attack could also happen from coke. Saw someone at a party who was found two day laters on the floor on deaths doorstep. His roommate didn’t go home with him that night, so he spent two whole days there. Coma for months.
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the majority of people don’t understand the reality of drowning .. it happens in pure silence and is very hard to detect someone struggling even when you’re watching and waiting for it to happen . a drowned person will not float but sink and go easily unnoticed
I'd heard that before but it never really sank in until I had to jump in to pull my niece off the bottom of a pool. I was sitting at a table maybe 10 from the pool and a group of kids were playing on the stairs. All the sudden it got silent and for some reason I stood up and looked over. My niece was at the bottom of the pool flailing in silence and the other kids were swimming down to try to get her up. I ran over and jumped in full clothes to get her out. She was down maybe a minute. Scary shit.
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I actually don’t like pool parties because shit like this always inevitably happens. I make a conscious effort to avoid them
you don't get invited to parties..
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the majority of people don’t understand the reality of drowning .. it happens in pure silence and is very hard to detect someone struggling even when you’re watching and waiting for it to happen . a drowned person will not float but sink and go easily unnoticed
I'd heard that before but it never really sank in until I had to jump in to pull my niece off the bottom of a pool. I was sitting at a table maybe 10 from the pool and a group of kids were playing on the stairs. All the sudden it got silent and for some reason I stood up and looked over. My niece was at the bottom of the pool flailing in silence and the other kids were swimming down to try to get her up. I ran over and jumped in full clothes to get her out. She was down maybe a minute. Scary shit.
When I was 10 years old I was at an end of season pool party for my little league team. One of my teammates couldn't swim very well or at all but was in the pool in the shallow end doing okay. He got a little more confident and started to make his way over to the deep end holding on to the side of the pool. During this time all the kids were making their way out of the pool because hot dogs and burgers were ready. I was still in the pool when I noticed him lose his grip and he just sank like a rock. I immediately swam down and pulled him up to where he could grab back on to the side and make his way out. No words were spoken between us, it happened so quick. It was a weird thing. There was a backyard full of parents and kids and nobody saw this happen.
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the majority of people don’t understand the reality of drowning .. it happens in pure silence and is very hard to detect someone struggling even when you’re watching and waiting for it to happen . a drowned person will not float but sink and go easily unnoticed
I'd heard that before but it never really sank in until I had to jump in to pull my niece off the bottom of a pool. I was sitting at a table maybe 10 from the pool and a group of kids were playing on the stairs. All the sudden it got silent and for some reason I stood up and looked over. My niece was at the bottom of the pool flailing in silence and the other kids were swimming down to try to get her up. I ran over and jumped in full clothes to get her out. She was down maybe a minute. Scary shit.
When I was 10 years old I was at an end of season pool party for my little league team. One of my teammates couldn't swim very well or at all but was in the pool in the shallow end doing okay. He got a little more confident and started to make his way over to the deep end holding on to the side of the pool. During this time all the kids were making their way out of the pool because hot dogs and burgers were ready. I was still in the pool when I noticed him lose his grip and he just sank like a rock. I immediately swam down and pulled him up to where he could grab back on to the side and make his way out. No words were spoken between us, it happened so quick. It was a weird thing. There was a backyard full of parents and kids and nobody saw this happen.
It’s so easy for something like this to happen. When I was 10 my aunts bosses kid was walking along the edge of the pool. They had different types of rock make up the coping and he was hopping from one to another and slipped in. I pulled that little fucker up before he started to sink. It was crazy. I remember not really grasping the fact that I saved his life because I didn’t have to jump in and rescue him or whatever. He fell in got soaked and came right out as fast as he went in.
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It was drugs/alcohol.
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Autopsy proved otherwise though... Also people die from alcohol poisoning for sure but it seems he was getting down on the white sack and booze. Unless hes chugging a bottle of booze (which doesn't seem to fit him) no one in a party setting that was 'not wasted' on many accounts, is not going to OD on booze. Also if the white sack was available like the story seems, Kennen would've been more tooted up than anything. People don't die from cocaine.
I guess I need to rephrase. No one who wants to live until tomorrow dies from some tooters nose beers. Drug addiction is real. But to do enough yak to kill yourself isn't the easiest of tasks.
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delete this whole shit.
mods race to delete a TNT thread anytime his dumbass gets mentioned but let shit like this rock. toys.
free max b
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Keenan was the epitome of fresh. Style, kit, trick selection, spots. I always felt Gino's style was heavily influenced by Keenan.
I heard from someone who was there that it was day break, the party was over and Keenan was helping to clean up. He offered to fish some trash out of the pool and in one of those dives he had a heart attack. And yes, he had been partying that night (and apparently had been in heavy party mode for a few months prior to that).
Rest in power Keenan Milton.
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*law enforcement background*
Based on what I can see as far as what's been made public, no this isn't a manslaughter case.
There's two forms of manslaughter (voluntary and involuntary) Voluntary manslaughter would be if two guys got into an argument and it escalated to somebody shooting the other party. Since the shooting wasn't planned and only happened in the spur of the moment it lacks the mens rea (guilty mind) component of a murder which by definition is premeditated.
Now that could change if say the victim was black and you could prove the shooter chose to escalate the situation because he was a white supremacist or something. So can a murder be spur of the moment? Sure but you need to find another way to exemplify the mens rea component like I just exemplified.
Involuntary manslaughter on the other hand is actually easier to successfully convict and that's because there isn't that grey area when those cases go trial where a jury can debate if a case even warrants a murder charge or if manslaughter really should be murder. IE Casey Anthony. Had that case just been tried as involuntary manslaughter it was a slam dunk. Mom likes to party, mom loses track of child, child ends up dead. It's manslaughter because she was responsible for the child, and her lack of responsibility resulted in her child's death without that intention. Now obviously in that case there was more to her just losing track of the child but what actually happened wasn't something that could be supported by evidence hence why that case should have just gone to trial on what was actually tangible. DWI cases are another good example. Guy drives drunk, and since he knows by default drunk driving can kill another person although it's accidental his action caused the other party's death and his CLEAR lack of regard triggers that mens rea element there.
In this case though, you had a party of upwards of a thousand people, where everybody was partying, and one fucked up dude jumped off a roof and landed on somebody else. This isn't like the DWI where whoever jumped had an existing responsibility of knowledge that bound him to "knowing better" in regards to knowing whether anyone was in the pool, nor was it the owner's responsibility to assume anybody would jump off whatever this guy jumped off. So regardless of who you go after the mens rea of involuntary manslaughter doesn't exist.
Now if the pool was hosting swim trials and a guy scaled the balcony and jumped in there and killed somebody it would be different, because he understood he was risking the safety of others. But as the article mentioned the pool was littered with debris at the time. It's not what you it's what you can prove.....beyond a reasonable doubt.
Now obviously you can sue civilly for anything and maybe Keenan's family ultimately went that route but this wasn't a criminal case in way shape or form.
Sad tragedy, but that's what this was.
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Also the first three paragraphs are 100% unnecessary.
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the majority of people don’t understand the reality of drowning .. it happens in pure silence and is very hard to detect someone struggling even when you’re watching and waiting for it to happen . a drowned person will not float but sink and go easily unnoticed
I'd heard that before but it never really sank in until I had to jump in to pull my niece off the bottom of a pool. I was sitting at a table maybe 10 from the pool and a group of kids were playing on the stairs. All the sudden it got silent and for some reason I stood up and looked over. My niece was at the bottom of the pool flailing in silence and the other kids were swimming down to try to get her up. I ran over and jumped in full clothes to get her out. She was down maybe a minute. Scary shit.
When I was 10 years old I was at an end of season pool party for my little league team. One of my teammates couldn't swim very well or at all but was in the pool in the shallow end doing okay. He got a little more confident and started to make his way over to the deep end holding on to the side of the pool. During this time all the kids were making their way out of the pool because hot dogs and burgers were ready. I was still in the pool when I noticed him lose his grip and he just sank like a rock. I immediately swam down and pulled him up to where he could grab back on to the side and make his way out. No words were spoken between us, it happened so quick. It was a weird thing. There was a backyard full of parents and kids and nobody saw this happen.
It’s so easy for something like this to happen. When I was 10 my aunts bosses kid was walking along the edge of the pool. They had different types of rock make up the coping and he was hopping from one to another and slipped in. I pulled that little fucker up before he started to sink. It was crazy. I remember not really grasping the fact that I saved his life because I didn’t have to jump in and rescue him or whatever. He fell in got soaked and came right out as fast as he went in.
You hear about some unlucky kid drowning once a year or so in a back yard pool because people just weren't paying attention for some reason. It can be the smallest of things. All it takes is 45 seconds to a minute of no one noticing someone is under water. Someone I know was a firefighter and he said the worst thing he ever saw, was a case where the grandmother wasn't paying attention to a kid (she was old, maybe not all there) for just enough time to pass for the kid to drown. So, the concept of someone not realizing Keenen was underwater until it is too late isn't unfathomable given he was a grown man, and most people were faded.
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That’s awful. And crazy that it’s been kinda swept under the rug for so long. I wonder if the people in attendance felt so bad for what actually happened they’ve offered up such a vague history. Reminds me of the Cardiel and Van Wastel thing too.
Don't leave us hanging
I think he’s referring to Cardiel’s Tent City accident and Van Wastel’s death, the details of which were both left pretty vague to the public for a long time (and still kind of are to some extent).
All three incidents are examples of how everyone in those situations were so intoxicated that people got hurt or died. If there had been more sober people around, Keenan and Van would be alive and Cardiel would not be disabled.
Also I thought that Van was locked in a hotel room by his team mates to get him off opiates and he committed suicide?
You're kinda missing the forest in the trees here. I believe Van jumped/fell(??) because he was bugging from withdrawals...I'd chalk that up to substance abuse even if his death was self inflicted. Cardiel accident is way more vague but not a stretch to say that maybe it wouldn't have happened if people weren't faded.
The point is that substances played a significant role in all of these.
[but it should be said i'm just spreading rumors that i wasn't there for like poolgate and brickgate and screwdrivergate]
Yes blame it on his friends trying to help him. Hot take.
You should lead the charge in focusgate.
No, I don't think people fully blame his friends, but someone who is heavily addicted to heroin is going to have very serious withdrawal symptoms, which is why going cold turkey while on a skateboard trip might be an unreasonable demand. It is best to go through an addiction counselor, rehab, and sometimes methadone.
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you're so edgy
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Damn this was a reach. They even went after Red Bull? I feel for his family and obviously Keenan passing away left a major void in skateboarding. This was a bad look though on his family's behalf.
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Damn this was a reach. They even went after Red Bull? I feel for his family and obviously Keenan passing away left a major void in skateboarding. This was a bad look though on his family's behalf.
Kooked for quoting the whole thing, you fucking hard-on.
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Pretty sure Kadijah is a female name.
I didnt read the whole transcript but guessing the family weren't successful in their lawsuit. I did notice at the end that it states that they were seeking $50 million in damages. Probably worth a shot at suing Red Bull for that kind of pay day
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Kooked for defending a major corporation that hosted a promotional event but failed to provide a level of care to its guests that resulted in a fatality.
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Ban that pig's IP address.
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Kooked for defending a major corporation that hosted a promotional event but failed to provide a level of care to its guests that resulted in a fatality.
Your pseudo Marxism come off as really cringe worthy when you're bitching about "mAjOr CoRpOrAtiOnS" on your computer or smart phone via internet or cell service provided by actual "mAjOr cOrPorOrAtIonS" . Red Bu isn't even publicly traded yet again American. So where do you stay the line with who you demonize for drawing a profit? By that virtue I guess you don't even want the skateboard industry to exist?
And get fucking real. Red Bull sponsored an event and the event ended up having a bunch of idiots getting drunk and high so Red Bull becomes liable? It's called free choice. You can't control stupidity. It was a freak accident. Millions happen every day.
When you can pass a GED exam and actually live out your beliefs you'll just forever be an uneducated hypocrite who cries about the wealth of others because of his own failures to attain personal success....although the most ridiculous and tired cliches imaginable.
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Kooked for defending a major corporation that hosted a promotional event but failed to provide a level of care to its guests that resulted in a fatality.
Your pseudo Marxism come off as really cringe worthy when you're bitching about "mAjOr CoRpOrAtiOnS" on your computer or smart phone via internet or cell service provided by actual "mAjOr cOrPorOrAtIonS" . Red Bu isn't even publicly traded yet again American. So where do you stay the line with who you demonize for drawing a profit? By that virtue I guess you don't even want the skateboard industry to exist?
And get fucking real. Red Bull sponsored an event and the event ended up having a bunch of idiots getting drunk and high so Red Bull becomes liable? It's called free choice. You can't control stupidity. It was a freak accident. Millions happen every day.
When you can pass a GED exam and actually live out your beliefs you'll just forever be an uneducated hypocrite who cries about the wealth of others because of his own failures to attain personal success....although the most ridiculous and tired cliches imaginable.
You mad? I'm a business owner btw and if I'm hosting an event I'm responsible to provide same duty of care to the attendee's as any other company big or small. You can't stop people getting high but you can make it look like you at the very least made an effort to protect the wellbeing of your guests.
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You got all sensitive first.
And OK yes you're right in a perfect world those things should happen. But from a legal standpoint there's a reason this didn't go beyond a deposition. Also, since you own a business you should know first hand what a sponsor's involvement with an event is vs a host.
Targeting Red Bull in the lawsuit was just a dart throw I hopes of a settlement from a company with enough money to hand out a settlement.
The host of the party could've implemented things like security, etc. But look at this logically. What did they willingly fail to do with knowledge that their incompetence could result in an injury or possible death, in regards to what happened to Keenan? A guy jumped off a balcony or roof into a pool and in that pool underneath a bunch of debris was a guy he landed on. Also, I may have missed it but did the autopsy even establish if the injuries from that impact happened while he was alive? He could've drowned and then had the head and neck trauma postmortem.
But again, legal cases are about what's provable, and in the case of even third degree involuntary manslaughter, this from what we can see here was a far cry in that regard. But to your points you can make All those arguments in a civil suit which they may have done anyway.
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You got all sensitive first.
And OK yes you're right in a perfect world those things should happen. But from a legal standpoint there's a reason this didn't go beyond a deposition. Also, since you own a business you should know first hand what a sponsor's involvement with an event is vs a host.
Targeting Red Bull in the lawsuit was just a dart throw I hopes of a settlement from a company with enough money to hand out a settlement.
The host of the party could've implemented things like security, etc. But look at this logically. What did they willingly fail to do with knowledge that their incompetence could result in an injury or possible death, in regards to what happened to Keenan? A guy jumped off a balcony or roof into a pool and in that pool underneath a bunch of debris was a guy he landed on. Also, I may have missed it but did the autopsy even establish if the injuries from that impact happened while he was alive? He could've drowned and then had the head and neck trauma postmortem.
But again, legal cases are about what's provable, and in the case of even third degree involuntary manslaughter, this from what we can see here was a far cry in that regard. But to your points you can make All those arguments in a civil suit which they may have done anyway.
Fuck of pig. Your bullshit know it all shtick is tiresome.
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You got all sensitive first.
And OK yes you're right in a perfect world those things should happen. But from a legal standpoint there's a reason this didn't go beyond a deposition. Also, since you own a business you should know first hand what a sponsor's involvement with an event is vs a host.
Targeting Red Bull in the lawsuit was just a dart throw I hopes of a settlement from a company with enough money to hand out a settlement.
The host of the party could've implemented things like security, etc. But look at this logically. What did they willingly fail to do with knowledge that their incompetence could result in an injury or possible death, in regards to what happened to Keenan? A guy jumped off a balcony or roof into a pool and in that pool underneath a bunch of debris was a guy he landed on. Also, I may have missed it but did the autopsy even establish if the injuries from that impact happened while he was alive? He could've drowned and then had the head and neck trauma postmortem.
But again, legal cases are about what's provable, and in the case of even third degree involuntary manslaughter, this from what we can see here was a far cry in that regard. But to your points you can make All those arguments in a civil suit which they may have done anyway.
I think you answered your own question there.
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"Milton, an African-American in the largely white world of skateboarding, was a team rider for Torrance-based Chocolate skateboards and Tarzana-based DVS Shoe Co.
Can someone tell me why this is mentioned, or relevant to the lawsuit/situation whatsoever?
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"Milton, an African-American in the largely white world of skateboarding, was a team rider for Torrance-based Chocolate skateboards and Tarzana-based DVS Shoe Co.
Can someone tell me why this is mentioned, or relevant to the lawsuit/situation whatsoever?
It establishes that he was a breadwinner and that his family was dependent on his income.
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Red Bull made my son do cocaine and go swimming w/ white boys! pay me.
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Kooked for defending a major corporation that hosted a promotional event but failed to provide a level of care to its guests that resulted in a fatality.
Your pseudo Marxism come off as really cringe worthy when you're bitching about "mAjOr CoRpOrAtiOnS" on your computer or smart phone via internet or cell service provided by actual "mAjOr cOrPorOrAtIonS" . Red Bu isn't even publicly traded yet again American. So where do you stay the line with who you demonize for drawing a profit? By that virtue I guess you don't even want the skateboard industry to exist?
And get fucking real. Red Bull sponsored an event and the event ended up having a bunch of idiots getting drunk and high so Red Bull becomes liable? It's called free choice. You can't control stupidity. It was a freak accident. Millions happen every day.
When you can pass a GED exam and actually live out your beliefs you'll just forever be an uneducated hypocrite who cries about the wealth of others because of his own failures to attain personal success....although the most ridiculous and tired cliches imaginable.
lol, most cops are too dumb to do anything but get paid to be scared while carrying a gun, maybe pump the brakes dude
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Damn this was a reach. They even went after Red Bull? I feel for his family and obviously Keenan passing away left a major void in skateboarding. This was a bad look though on his family's behalf.
Only motherfucka missin from tryna get a cut is god himself. I think I even saw my own name in that suit somewhere.
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dude I grew up reading Kareem cambell died