Didn’t see that coming. Bummer.
https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole (https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole)
Can't wait for his comeback part...says no one. Fuck Gator.Like you wouldn't click on that shit!!
Expand QuoteDidn’t see that coming. Bummer.
https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole (https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole)[close]
Article is vague, he's 'suitable for parole" and "being setup for release" but nothing on if he was actually 'Paroled'.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDidn’t see that coming. Bummer.
https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole (https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole)[close]
Article is vague, he's 'suitable for parole" and "being setup for release" but nothing on if he was actually 'Paroled'.[close]
You’re right. The headline is kind of misleading if the process isn’t done. Hopefully there’s some kind of check in place that stops him from getting out.
I’m not of the opinion that every murderer should be executed or put away for life, but with the sexual assault and the hours long torture aspects of what he did it’s pretty clear he’s not fit for society.
fuck gator
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDidn’t see that coming. Bummer.
https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole (https://www.10news.com/news/former-pro-skateboarder-convicted-of-rape-and-murder-granted-parole)[close]
Article is vague, he's 'suitable for parole" and "being setup for release" but nothing on if he was actually 'Paroled'.[close]
You’re right. The headline is kind of misleading if the process isn’t done. Hopefully there’s some kind of check in place that stops him from getting out.
I’m not of the opinion that every murderer should be executed or put away for life, but with the sexual assault and the hours long torture aspects of what he did it’s pretty clear he’s not fit for society.
i can see him on krooked
"Commissioner Brian Roberts said the panel took several factors into consideration, including Rogowski’s remorse for the crime, lack of significant criminal history, good behavior in custody, and rehabilitation programs he has completed during his 27 years in prison.
Roberts said the panel also put significant weight on a new law that gives added leniency to “youthful offenders” who commit crimes before the age of 26."
Lack of significant criminal history... he fucking killed someone, you should not be let out period, I don't care how old you were. Fucking idiot law makers.
Someone should create a company called Tabu Skateboards and put all the worst dudes in skateboarding on the team: the nazis, pedos, murderers, brick throwers etc.dead end vinny owns it and genital jones rides for it.
Also in regards to anyone who has killed someone never being released, does that extend to drunk drivers, bar fights, what about self defenseNot everyone who has killed someone deserves life in prison but people who assault, rape, murder and put someone’s body in a surfboard bag probably do deserve life in prison.
Big difference. Those crimes are generally done due to stupidity and not with the level of malice of what Gator did. Gator essentially kidnapped, violently assaulted, then raped, and finally murdered that poor girl. I don't want anyone doing that walking free among society. I'm not saying murders shouldn't ever be released, as I do believe people can be rehabilitated. I'm just not sure the type of people who commit the types of crimes Gator did can be. It takes a certain level of evil within a human to do what he did. This isn't some dumb kid caught up in a ganglife, or a drunk kid making a mistake. This is about a man kidnapping his ex-girlfriends friend, violently raping her, then stuffing her in a surf bag and finally suffocating her to death.Expand Quote"Commissioner Brian Roberts said the panel took several factors into consideration, including Rogowski’s remorse for the crime, lack of significant criminal history, good behavior in custody, and rehabilitation programs he has completed during his 27 years in prison.
Roberts said the panel also put significant weight on a new law that gives added leniency to “youthful offenders” who commit crimes before the age of 26."
Lack of significant criminal history... he fucking killed someone, you should not be let out period, I don't care how old you were. Fucking idiot law makers.[close]
Obviously in this context that means criminal history prior to the incident in question.
Also in regards to anyone who has killed someone never being released, does that extend to drunk drivers, bar fights, what about self defense?
He has spent 27 years in prison, its not like it is a particularly short period, more than most murders I would imagine.
Fuck Gator and anyone who backs him in any way. They've already wasted money feeding his ass for years. It's too bad the victim's family didn't get to choose his fate.Tf? Who's"backing" him? Edit i get it, when someone chimes in to remind people of some basic truth, -that means theyre "backing" him. Ok
What did dead end Vinny do ?dead end vinny owns it and genital jones rides for it.Expand QuoteSomeone should create a company called Tabu Skateboards and put all the worst dudes in skateboarding on the team: the nazis, pedos, murderers, brick throwers etc.[close]
Idk. Think the 1st graphic says "Vision" and the 2nd says "Gator"Expand Quotei can see him on krooked[close]
He's still on Vision. They've been selling his board this whole time, but weaseled out of paying royalties by removing his real name from the deck. Think they did the same with the Mark Gonzales deck. Fuck Gator and Vision.
I dated that girl he murdered’s best friends sister. Was always strange to see photos of Brandi when I’d visit.
That documentary was really good but kind of painted him in a sympathetic light (which maybe wasn’t 100% intentional). But when you consider the shit he did for one second, it’s unforgivable. I believe he probably is remorseful and don’t think he’s likely to reoffend, but it doesn’t matter at this point. As other people have mentioned, it wasn’t just a simple murder, he tortured and raped that girl before killing her. He ruined a lot of people’s lives, I couldn’t imagine being in her family’s shoes. Dying in jail is a small price to pay.Sure but the law is about president. If most other (white) people with his conviction (quasi pre meditated rape torture murder with no prior record) recieved similar treament judicially then thats the bar. (I say "white" cause especially the US judicial sys. Is systematically racist.)
Idk. Think the 1st graphic says "Vision" and the 2nd says "Gator"Expand QuoteExpand Quotei can see him on krooked[close]
He's still on Vision. They've been selling his board this whole time, but weaseled out of paying royalties by removing his real name from the deck. Think they did the same with the Mark Gonzales deck. Fuck Gator and Vision.[close]
Wasn't there a thread recently about another guest board?
“Today we are back with a special, special, special guest”
I dunno, there is something called sexual assault in the criminal code, and I mean, there is also something called verbally assaulting someone which isn't part of the criminal code.Expand QuoteBig difference. Those crimes are generally done due to stupidity and not with the level of malice of what Gator did. Gator essentially kidnapped, violently assaulted, then raped, and finally murdered that poor girl. I don't want anyone doing that walking free among society. I'm not saying murders shouldn't ever be released, as I do believe people can be rehabilitated. I'm just not sure the type of people who commit the types of crimes Gator did can be. It takes a certain level of evil within a human to do what he did. This isn't some dumb kid caught up in a ganglife, or a drunk kid making a mistake. This is about a man kidnapping his ex-girlfriends friend, violently raping her, then stuffing her in a surf bag and finally suffocating her to death.Expand QuoteExpand Quote"Commissioner Brian Roberts said the panel took several factors into consideration, including Rogowski’s remorse for the crime, lack of significant criminal history, good behavior in custody, and rehabilitation programs he has completed during his 27 years in prison.
Roberts said the panel also put significant weight on a new law that gives added leniency to “youthful offenders” who commit crimes before the age of 26."
Lack of significant criminal history... he fucking killed someone, you should not be let out period, I don't care how old you were. Fucking idiot law makers.[close]
Obviously in this context that means criminal history prior to the incident in question.
Also in regards to anyone who has killed someone never being released, does that extend to drunk drivers, bar fights, what about self defense?
He has spent 27 years in prison, its not like it is a particularly short period, more than most murders I would imagine.[close][close]
Is there other kinds of assault?
Expand Quote"Commissioner Brian Roberts said the panel took several factors into consideration, including Rogowski’s remorse for the crime, lack of significant criminal history, good behavior in custody, and rehabilitation programs he has completed during his 27 years in prison.
Roberts said the panel also put significant weight on a new law that gives added leniency to “youthful offenders” who commit crimes before the age of 26."
Lack of significant criminal history... he fucking killed someone, you should not be let out period, I don't care how old you were. Fucking idiot law makers.[close]
Obviously in this context that means criminal history prior to the incident in question.
Also in regards to anyone who has killed someone never being released, does that extend to drunk drivers, bar fights, what about self defense?
He has spent 27 years in prison, its not like it is a particularly short period, more than most murders I would imagine.
Expand QuoteIdk. Think the 1st graphic says "Vision" and the 2nd says "Gator"Expand QuoteExpand Quotei can see him on krooked[close]
He's still on Vision. They've been selling his board this whole time, but weaseled out of paying royalties by removing his real name from the deck. Think they did the same with the Mark Gonzales deck. Fuck Gator and Vision.[close]
Wasn't there a thread recently about another guest board?[close]
Gator's name has been removed for the first (Vision) board only. Vision has been reissuing subsequent models with his name. The weasel part is Dorfman making them in the first place.
That documentary was really good but kind of painted him in a sympathetic light (which maybe wasn’t 100% intentional). But when you consider the shit he did for one second, it’s unforgivable. I believe he probably is remorseful and don’t think he’s likely to reoffend, but it doesn’t matter at this point. As other people have mentioned, it wasn’t just a simple murder, he tortured and raped that girl before killing her. He ruined a lot of people’s lives, I couldn’t imagine being in her family’s shoes. Dying in jail is a small price to pay.
The court transcript at the end is chilling. Hope this dude never gets out.Expand QuoteThat documentary was really good but kind of painted him in a sympathetic light (which maybe wasn’t 100% intentional). But when you consider the shit he did for one second, it’s unforgivable. I believe he probably is remorseful and don’t think he’s likely to reoffend, but it doesn’t matter at this point. As other people have mentioned, it wasn’t just a simple murder, he tortured and raped that girl before killing her. He ruined a lot of people’s lives, I couldn’t imagine being in her family’s shoes. Dying in jail is a small price to pay.[close]
I watched Stoked 15 years ago when it came out and then again about 2 years ago and I would argue it shows him as a sociopath. He seems to have no ability to make friends and is a pathological liar. When describing the murder he tries to say all the right things but comes off as calculated and hollow. They should actually play the interview in Stoked at the hearing to show how manipulative he is.
The court transcript at the end is chilling. Hope this dude never gets out.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThat documentary was really good but kind of painted him in a sympathetic light (which maybe wasn’t 100% intentional). But when you consider the shit he did for one second, it’s unforgivable. I believe he probably is remorseful and don’t think he’s likely to reoffend, but it doesn’t matter at this point. As other people have mentioned, it wasn’t just a simple murder, he tortured and raped that girl before killing her. He ruined a lot of people’s lives, I couldn’t imagine being in her family’s shoes. Dying in jail is a small price to pay.[close]
I watched Stoked 15 years ago when it came out and then again about 2 years ago and I would argue it shows him as a sociopath. He seems to have no ability to make friends and is a pathological liar. When describing the murder he tries to say all the right things but comes off as calculated and hollow. They should actually play the interview in Stoked at the hearing to show how manipulative he is.[close]
He has spent 27 years in prison, its not like it is a particularly short period, more than most murders I would imagine.
Sigh, I don't advocate him killing himself so much he needs to never be allowed back in the scene.I believe people who commit those kind of crimes do deserve to die and should kill themselves.
Anyone who has killed, raped, abused, or had their hate views should be ousted, no questions no halfassed apologies you've done fucked up and shouldn't be allowed back with open arms.
rapists and pedo's I totally agree with your sentiments however it just seems too easy, he needs to bare that cross he clams to love so muchI believe people who commit those kind of crimes do deserve to die and should kill themselves.Expand QuoteSigh, I don't advocate him killing himself so much he needs to never be allowed back in the scene.
Anyone who has killed, raped, abused, or had their hate views should be ousted, no questions no halfassed apologies you've done fucked up and shouldn't be allowed back with open arms.[close]
Surely, there's no way he could even skate anymore anyway, but I wonder how many old guys would buy a Gator board if someone were to put him on a team.https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/vision-skateboards-mark-gator-rogowski-gator-ii-modern-concave-white-green-old-school-skateboard-deck-10.2x30.5
I remember seeing those, but I mean something beyond a reissue. Let's say, hypothetically, he gets it back enough to start skating those Legends bowl contests and starts placing. Would people buy that guy's board?https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/vision-skateboards-mark-gator-rogowski-gator-ii-modern-concave-white-green-old-school-skateboard-deck-10.2x30.5Expand QuoteSurely, there's no way he could even skate anymore anyway, but I wonder how many old guys would buy a Gator board if someone were to put him on a team.[close]
Can someone with tech skills maybe make a petition to keep him in jail?
they let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.
they let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.
that guy's DNA means he was guilty but it doesn't mean the other pack of kids were innocent. i thought the same as you before i delved deeper. watch their confessions, most of them deny raping her but admit holding her legs or 'playing w/ her breasts'. they were all involved, all admitted to savagely attacking others in the park, just deny the penetration. DNA wasn't as good back then, one sample was matias reyes [the admitted rapist who was already doing life] and there was an unreadable sample. but all the central park 5 had cum in their shorts. make no mistake, they was wil'in and it's a sham they ever got out.Expand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
No tienes cerebro. The central park 5's charges were vacated because some dude confessed and his DNA matched the sample from the victim.
they let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.Dude you are fucked, it's this kind of ignorance that makes me sad for the skate scene. Totally kooking it by this statement alone.
Dude you are fucked, it's this kind of ignorance that makes me sad for the skate scene. Totally kooking it by this statement alone.Expand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
Do you grab your stuff when a person of color walks past? or do you put your hand over your girls neck when someone better looking walks past you two? Or how bout cross the street when some you don't like is walking near you?
that guy's DNA means he was guilty but it doesn't mean the other pack of kids were innocent. i thought the same as you before i delved deeper. watch their confessions, most of them deny raping her but admit holding her legs or 'playing w/ her breasts'. they were all involved, all admitted to savagely attacking others in the park, just deny the penetration. DNA wasn't as good back then, one sample was matias reyes [the admitted rapist who was already doing life] and there was an unreadable sample. but all the central park 5 had cum in their shorts. make no mistake, they was wil'in and it's a sham they ever got out.Expand QuoteExpand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
No tienes cerebro. The central park 5's charges were vacated because some dude confessed and his DNA matched the sample from the victim.[close]
100% this, he comes off like a psycho. Jason Jessee doesn’t come off much better- telling a story about Gator showing his dick to an airline stewardess like it’s funny.Expand QuoteThat documentary was really good but kind of painted him in a sympathetic light (which maybe wasn’t 100% intentional). But when you consider the shit he did for one second, it’s unforgivable. I believe he probably is remorseful and don’t think he’s likely to reoffend, but it doesn’t matter at this point. As other people have mentioned, it wasn’t just a simple murder, he tortured and raped that girl before killing her. He ruined a lot of people’s lives, I couldn’t imagine being in her family’s shoes. Dying in jail is a small price to pay.[close]
I watched Stoked 15 years ago when it came out and then again about 2 years ago and I would argue it shows him as a sociopath. He seems to have no ability to make friends and is a pathological liar. When describing the murder he tries to say all the right things but comes off as calculated and hollow. They should actually play the interview in Stoked at the hearing to show how manipulative he is.
Yeah I read that too (no lawyer present too?!) the fact they admitted but since redacted their statements I think it's bullshit and police coercion.that guy's DNA means he was guilty but it doesn't mean the other pack of kids were innocent. i thought the same as you before i delved deeper. watch their confessions, most of them deny raping her but admit holding her legs or 'playing w/ her breasts'. they were all involved, all admitted to savagely attacking others in the park, just deny the penetration. DNA wasn't as good back then, one sample was matias reyes [the admitted rapist who was already doing life] and there was an unreadable sample. but all the central park 5 had cum in their shorts. make no mistake, they was wil'in and it's a sham they ever got out.Expand QuoteExpand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
No tienes cerebro. The central park 5's charges were vacated because some dude confessed and his DNA matched the sample from the victim.[close]
I did a full class long report on gator in my high schools criminal justice class(you had to give a lecture like a teacher in the classroom for an entire day, and every student needed to do one day that full school year).See to who though? the victim or the victims family? His time away incarcerated did nothing but give this sociopath an avenue to be released.
It’s always weird when shit like this happens because it pulls me in two directions. The one direction is obviously this dude is a fucked up insano who should have the worst possible punishment. The other direction is that this man served his time, and as much as I dislike it in this case, I still respect the rule of law. This man has paid back
His debt to society whether y’all like it or not(just like myself).
that guy's DNA means he was guilty but it doesn't mean the other pack of kids were innocent. i thought the same as you before i delved deeper. watch their confessions, most of them deny raping her but admit holding her legs or 'playing w/ her breasts'. they were all involved, all admitted to savagely attacking others in the park, just deny the penetration. DNA wasn't as good back then, one sample was matias reyes [the admitted rapist who was already doing life] and there was an unreadable sample. but all the central park 5 had cum in their shorts. make no mistake, they was wil'in and it's a sham they ever got out.Expand QuoteExpand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
No tienes cerebro. The central park 5's charges were vacated because some dude confessed and his DNA matched the sample from the victim.[close]
Dude you are fucked, it's this kind of ignorance that makes me sad for the skate scene. Totally kooking it by this statement alone.Expand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
Do you grab your stuff when a person of color walks past? or do you put your hand over your girls neck when someone better looking walks past you two? Or how bout cross the street when some you don't like is walking near you?
I did a full class long report on gator in my high schools criminal justice class(you had to give a lecture like a teacher in the classroom for an entire day, and every student needed to do one day that full school year).I understand what you mean but the justice system is so fucking flawed.
It’s always weird when shit like this happens because it pulls me in two directions. The one direction is obviously this dude is a fucked up insano who should have the worst possible punishment. The other direction is that this man served his time, and as much as I dislike it in this case, I still respect the rule of law. This man has paid back
His debt to society whether y’all like it or not(just like myself).
If I were the Jessica Bergsten's father
i can see him on krookedhell yes
you guys are all operating off the same low information i was until i looked into it. their parents WERE present, these aren't 'coached' you can watch the whole thing if you have hours. they were fucked up kids doing bad things and thta netflix movie is a revision not a documentary.
Also read that when he went to jail they found he has severe bipolar disorder. That shit is no joke.Someone mentioned on the Mental Illness thread there's 2 types of bipolar disorders and one is more extreme than the other.
Yep my ex had the one where they snap. Thank god I got out of that bullshit. Probably would have gotten Gator'd by now.Someone mentioned on the Mental Illness thread there's 2 types of bipolar disorders and one is more extreme than the other.Expand QuoteAlso read that when he went to jail they found he has severe bipolar disorder. That shit is no joke.[close]
Having schizoeffective disorder I am in type 2 category where I am quiet and reserved I'll act out in self harming ways. Then there's type 1 where that person would "snap" lose their shit in a manic episode that could really hurt someone.
I'm no psychologist, but I think that to be able to commit something like this, you need to be fucked in the head in a way that doesn't ever get better. Could very well be that he'll never do something like this again, but I think that if he ever ends up in a similar setting, the outcome will be the same.Expand QuoteCan someone with tech skills maybe make a petition to keep him in jail?[close]
"Tech skills". Like Daewon or Rodney writing a petition?
Joking, but what Gator did is the worst. No normal person should even imagine being able to do something like that unless their someone else was in immediate danger, and even then, no torture.
Maybe after 27 years one can be somewhat rehabilitated, but he still did a crime like that. I spent 3 days in county for a high BAC DUI and it sucked. I can't imagine 27 years, but he did actually torture and kill someone, so he deserved that and more. I really hope the skate community does not embrace him at all, even with, "Legend" status.
If he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.
Expand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Why? Explain yourself.
Fuck Gator
If he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Why? Explain yourself.
Fuck Gator[close]
which part?
Expand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Why? Explain yourself.
Fuck Gator[close]
which part?[close]
how is it that he gets to unjustifiably decide when one person's life ends but doesn't get that same courtesy?
How long until his Nine Club?
“So how was your first day in the chow line bro? Were you tripping?“
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Why? Explain yourself.
Fuck Gator[close]
which part?[close]
how is it that he gets to unjustifiably decide when one person's life ends but doesn't get that same courtesy?[close]
If you think that's wrong then it applies to him too.
This needs to be the new SHALOMYep my ex had the one where they snap. Thank god I got out of that bullshit. Probably would have gotten Gator'd by now.Expand QuoteSomeone mentioned on the Mental Illness thread there's 2 types of bipolar disorders and one is more extreme than the other.Expand QuoteAlso read that when he went to jail they found he has severe bipolar disorder. That shit is no joke.[close]
Having schizoeffective disorder I am in type 2 category where I am quiet and reserved I'll act out in self harming ways. Then there's type 1 where that person would "snap" lose their shit in a manic episode that could really hurt someone.[close]
well ur not a psychologist so fack what u think innitI'm no psychologist, but I think that to be able to commit something like this, you need to be fucked in the head in a way that doesn't ever get better. Could very well be that he'll never do something like this again, but I think that if he ever ends up in a similar setting, the outcome will be the same.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan someone with tech skills maybe make a petition to keep him in jail?[close]
"Tech skills". Like Daewon or Rodney writing a petition?
Joking, but what Gator did is the worst. No normal person should even imagine being able to do something like that unless their someone else was in immediate danger, and even then, no torture.
Maybe after 27 years one can be somewhat rehabilitated, but he still did a crime like that. I spent 3 days in county for a high BAC DUI and it sucked. I can't imagine 27 years, but he did actually torture and kill someone, so he deserved that and more. I really hope the skate community does not embrace him at all, even with, "Legend" status.[close]
makes me think of how many skater are incarcerated :-[
This is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.
This is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close]
I'm not disagreeing with you, for the record. Prison systems throughout the rest of the world focus more on rehabilitation instead of punishment, like in America. Just thought it needed to be added.Expand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.
Bro shut up dingus. Gator is wack for raping that bitch. You never been to the joint tho there are plenty of killers who are good dudes who could be let out and not hurt any civilians. You can’t just call dude a kook for what he said.Dude you are fucked, it's this kind of ignorance that makes me sad for the skate scene. Totally kooking it by this statement alone.Expand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
Do you grab your stuff when a person of color walks past? or do you put your hand over your girls neck when someone better looking walks past you two? Or how bout cross the street when some you don't like is walking near you?
Expand QuoteThat documentary was really good but kind of painted him in a sympathetic light (which maybe wasn’t 100% intentional). But when you consider the shit he did for one second, it’s unforgivable. I believe he probably is remorseful and don’t think he’s likely to reoffend, but it doesn’t matter at this point. As other people have mentioned, it wasn’t just a simple murder, he tortured and raped that girl before killing her. He ruined a lot of people’s lives, I couldn’t imagine being in her family’s shoes. Dying in jail is a small price to pay.[close]
I watched Stoked 15 years ago when it came out and then again about 2 years ago and I would argue it shows him as a sociopath. He seems to have no ability to make friends and is a pathological liar. When describing the murder he tries to say all the right things but comes off as calculated and hollow. They should actually play the interview in Stoked at the hearing to show how manipulative he is.
Yeah, some countries (Norway being one of them) have concentrated efforts to adopt more of a restorative justice model in their approach. Some people will bring up the [21-year] max sentencing for heinous crimes (such as Anders Breivik above) which serves little purpose other than to try and negate the legitimacy of their approach to justice by appealing to people's emotions. It's a moralizing type of statement, and a train of thought which may influence one to refuse to acknowledge positive-affirming data of the successes of this type of justice model in a country like Norway (significant statistics on a macro-level rather than a micro-level).I'm not disagreeing with you, for the record. Prison systems throughout the rest of the world focus more on rehabilitation instead of punishment, like in America. Just thought it needed to be added.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.[close]
Here's the thing dipshit maybe you can play prison lawyer and drum up some contrived excuse for those that have killed others, but they're there for a reason.Bro shut up dingus. Gator is wack for raping that bitchExpand QuoteDude you are fucked, it's this kind of ignorance that makes me sad for the skate scene. Totally kooking it by this statement alone.Expand Quotethey let the central park 5 out, anything is possible but i doubt gator will get freed.[close]
Do you grab your stuff when a person of color walks past? or do you put your hand over your girls neck when someone better looking walks past you two? Or how bout cross the street when some you don't like is walking near you?[close]way to have sympathy for the victim.
You never been to the joint tho there are plenty of killers who are good dudes who could be let out and not hurt any civilians. You can’t just call dude a kook for what he said.
Yeah, some countries (Norway being one of them) have concentrated efforts to adopt more of a restorative justice model in their approach. Some people will bring up the [21-year] max sentencing for heinous crimes (such as Anders Breivik above) which serves little purpose other than to try and negate the legitimacy of their approach to justice by appealing to people's emotions. It's a moralizing type of statement, and a train of thought which may influence one to refuse to acknowledge positive-affirming data of the successes of this type of justice model in a country like Norway (significant statistics on a macro-level rather than a micro level).Expand QuoteI'm not disagreeing with you, for the record. Prison systems throughout the rest of the world focus more on rehabilitation instead of punishment, like in America. Just thought it needed to be added.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.[close][close]
What this fails to mention is the data, from a broader scope, that shows they are much more successful in areas such as recidivism rates, successful reintegration back into society, etc. America, on the other hand, is far more adherent to the values of retributive justice as a theory of punishment - one key difference here probably being that prison is an industry in America. Our rules prefer poor people to continue being criminals upon release, so that they may get locked up and commodified into working slaves all over again.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kathleen_Daly2/Revisiting-the-relationship-between-retributive-and-restorative-justice.pdf (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kathleen_Daly2/publication/29452377_Revisiting_the_relationship_between_retributive_and_restorative_justice/links/54caa5c30cf2517b755f3cad/Revisiting-the-relationship-between-retributive-and-restorative-justice.pdf)
https://digitalcommons.hope.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2301&context=faculty_publications (https://digitalcommons.hope.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2301&context=faculty_publications)
https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1889&context=sjsj
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edit: also wanted to say that "If he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released." is not really a valid argument, given that it's entirely circular. "If he is granted parole it means he's been deemed suitable to be released by the state" is probably all you were saying and i'm being pedantic
Someone mentioned on the Mental Illness thread there's 2 types of bipolar disorders and one is more extreme than the other.Expand QuoteAlso read that when he went to jail they found he has severe bipolar disorder. That shit is no joke.[close]
Having schizoeffective disorder I am in type 2 category where I am quiet and reserved I'll act out in self harming ways. Then there's type 1 where that person would "snap" lose their shit in a manic episode that could really hurt someone.
Now will somebody please acknowledge my question about the scent glands?
Yeah it was you who mentioned the two different types, only reason I mentioned snapping was my bff went batshit after taking bath salts and bit a portion of my face off.Expand QuoteSomeone mentioned on the Mental Illness thread there's 2 types of bipolar disorders and one is more extreme than the other.Expand QuoteAlso read that when he went to jail they found he has severe bipolar disorder. That shit is no joke.[close]
Having schizoeffective disorder I am in type 2 category where I am quiet and reserved I'll act out in self harming ways. Then there's type 1 where that person would "snap" lose their shit in a manic episode that could really hurt someone.[close]
I think that was me, but what I said was that there is bipolar 1 with alternating depressive and manic states, and bipolar 2 with alternating depressive and hypomanic states. I feel the need to clarify that one is not an exaggerated form of the other, both manic and hypomanic states can be debilitating (and managed), and neither form is more or less likely to make anybody “snap.”
Now will somebody please acknowledge my question about the scent glands?
https://youtu.be/fgeSW3QIJZ0
Fuck Most Of yall. Kidnapping, raping, killing, burying - Really Not cool. But a Little cool, right? Yall acting like u dont like the Bad guys in the Movies. 27 years jeez. Hope he gets out and gets your asses
Bro there Are No rules
Didn’t expect to come here and see police state ass fools spreading misinformation about the Central Park five. Those “confessions” were a complete farce. Those kids were coerced and scapegoated and it’s disgusting.i'm neither police state nor racist but i delved into it and came to the same conclusions that the cops did in 89. that was a horrific case 'central park jogger' as she was known wasn't expected to live. i followed the case and was shocked to hear they were 'innocent'. i watched a series that goes into detail about their guilt called 'when they rape us' but i don't want to link to the channel because is promotes athiesm. and the narrator is smug. but yes, you realize a brutal, brutal rape happened? and we know that matias reyes was one of the DNAs left inside her?
Not gonna get into the subject of Gator but his crimes were absolutely horrific. :(
I snaked Gator on the spine ramp at McGill's a week or two before he did that shitYou were the proverbial straw.
You were the proverbial straw.Expand QuoteI snaked Gator on the spine ramp at McGill's a week or two before he did that shit[close]
I saw a gator board in the wild the other day. Some crusty fool near Haight Ashbury. Wack.I’d have focused his board and bought him a 40.
I’d have focused his board and bought him a 40.Expand QuoteI saw a gator board in the wild the other day. Some crusty fool near Haight Ashbury. Wack.[close]
I’d have focused his board and bought him a 40.Expand QuoteI saw a gator board in the wild the other day. Some crusty fool near Haight Ashbury. Wack.[close]
i don't want to link to the channel because is promotes athiesm. and the narrator is smug. but yes,
“Today we are back with a special, special, special guest”
i'm neither police state nor racist but i delved into it and came to the same conclusions that the cops did in 89. that was a horrific case 'central park jogger' as she was known wasn't expected to live. i followed the case and was shocked to hear they were 'innocent'. i watched a series that goes into detail about their guilt called 'when they rape us' but i don't want to link to the channel because is promotes athiesm. and the narrator is smug. but yes, you realize a brutal, brutal rape happened? and we know that matias reyes was one of the DNAs left inside her?Expand QuoteDidn’t expect to come here and see police state ass fools spreading misinformation about the Central Park five. Those “confessions” were a complete farce. Those kids were coerced and scapegoated and it’s disgusting.
Not gonna get into the subject of Gator but his crimes were absolutely horrific. :([close]
so he came along after she'd been clubbed, beaten nearly to death and possibly raped and had his way, leaving a evidence.
he never came forward til he bumped into the 5 at a prison, yrs after they'd fought during their early bid. he was now doing life for several more rapes [he'd cut the eyes out of his later victims to evade detection] so it didn't affect him to come forward and claim responsibility but it did get these guys released. and maybe they looked out for matias behind bars? no idea but they were there, they admit to violence, it's just the rape they deny. by law, if you hold a woman down or beat her insensate and a friend has intercourse, you're both guilty.
I'm not disagreeing with you, for the record. Prison systems throughout the rest of the world focus more on rehabilitation instead of punishment, like in America. Just thought it needed to be added.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Have you ever watched that show, "Locked Up Abroad"? Looks like a lot of prison systems around the world are fucked.
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.[close]
(https://i.postimg.cc/521nWmmM/20483-D55-DC8-C-4-D65-87-AD-026-F762-F854-E.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
i'm neither police state nor racist but i delved into it and came to the same conclusions that the cops did in 89. that was a horrific case 'central park jogger' as she was known wasn't expected to live. i followed the case and was shocked to hear they were 'innocent'. i watched a series that goes into detail about their guilt called 'when they rape us' but i don't want to link to the channel because is promotes athiesm. and the narrator is smug. but yes, you realize a brutal, brutal rape happened? and we know that matias reyes was one of the DNAs left inside her?Expand QuoteDidn’t expect to come here and see police state ass fools spreading misinformation about the Central Park five. Those “confessions” were a complete farce. Those kids were coerced and scapegoated and it’s disgusting.
Not gonna get into the subject of Gator but his crimes were absolutely horrific. :([close]
so he came along after she'd been clubbed, beaten nearly to death and possibly raped and had his way, leaving a evidence.
he never came forward til he bumped into the 5 at a prison, yrs after they'd fought during their early bid. he was now doing life for several more rapes [he'd cut the eyes out of his later victims to evade detection] so it didn't affect him to come forward and claim responsibility but it did get these guys released. and maybe they looked out for matias behind bars? no idea but they were there, they admit to violence, it's just the rape they deny. by law, if you hold a woman down or beat her insensate and a friend has intercourse, you're both guilty.
Damn, skin tone of a murderous oompa loompa
Expand Quotei'm neither police state nor racist but i delved into it and came to the same conclusions that the cops did in 89. that was a horrific case 'central park jogger' as she was known wasn't expected to live. i followed the case and was shocked to hear they were 'innocent'. i watched a series that goes into detail about their guilt called 'when they rape us' but i don't want to link to the channel because is promotes athiesm. and the narrator is smug. but yes, you realize a brutal, brutal rape happened? and we know that matias reyes was one of the DNAs left inside her?Expand QuoteDidn’t expect to come here and see police state ass fools spreading misinformation about the Central Park five. Those “confessions” were a complete farce. Those kids were coerced and scapegoated and it’s disgusting.
Not gonna get into the subject of Gator but his crimes were absolutely horrific. :([close]
so he came along after she'd been clubbed, beaten nearly to death and possibly raped and had his way, leaving a evidence.
he never came forward til he bumped into the 5 at a prison, yrs after they'd fought during their early bid. he was now doing life for several more rapes [he'd cut the eyes out of his later victims to evade detection] so it didn't affect him to come forward and claim responsibility but it did get these guys released. and maybe they looked out for matias behind bars? no idea but they were there, they admit to violence, it's just the rape they deny. by law, if you hold a woman down or beat her insensate and a friend has intercourse, you're both guilty.[close]
Haha you’re so certain of their guilt, but the information you keep providing as proof they’re guilty is either complete speculation or facts that aren’t even true. By the time Reyes confessed to the crime, all of the Central Park 5 except for one had already been released and out of jail for years and back to living their lives. And the one that was still in jail that Reyes ran into in prison was close to the end of his sentence anyway and soon to be released regardless of Reyes' confession.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5-ognalIgv/?igshid=164qke11bq9dd
Yeah it was you who mentioned the two different types, only reason I mentioned snapping was my bff went batshit after taking bath salts and bit a portion of my face off.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSomeone mentioned on the Mental Illness thread there's 2 types of bipolar disorders and one is more extreme than the other.Expand QuoteAlso read that when he went to jail they found he has severe bipolar disorder. That shit is no joke.[close]
Having schizoeffective disorder I am in type 2 category where I am quiet and reserved I'll act out in self harming ways. Then there's type 1 where that person would "snap" lose their shit in a manic episode that could really hurt someone.[close]
I think that was me, but what I said was that there is bipolar 1 with alternating depressive and manic states, and bipolar 2 with alternating depressive and hypomanic states. I feel the need to clarify that one is not an exaggerated form of the other, both manic and hypomanic states can be debilitating (and managed), and neither form is more or less likely to make anybody “snap.”
Now will somebody please acknowledge my question about the scent glands?[close]
He was later diagnosed with bipolar and psychotic, as he later relapsed with his meds and tried to yank his dick off by sitting in a bathtub for 12+ hours.
This was told to me by my exgf whom is now married to him.
I have seen photos of the aftermath and know what it looks like when someone is tugging on their dick literally trying to yank his dick off it was black and blue from tip to pubic region.
says here 'Reyes confessed to the crime in May 2002, their convictions were vacated in December that year. DNA evidence confirmed that Reyes raped Meili but could not confirm that he acted alone as he claimed.'
and these guys lives haven't changed at all behind his confession? a man who makes gator look like a shoplifter [matias reyes cut the eyes out of his victims that he didn't kill and raped his own mama] makes a confession and everyone runs to believe it but the kids all told detailed stories of a confession but it's 'coerced'?
it's a good narrative, blame the blacks and browns for a horrific crime committed by a single brown?
like they say, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fools.
http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/reyes-matias.htm
watch my man and see if he's not a little too detailed for making it up/coerced.
Expand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.
Sure but the US shit is terrible. by far the most racist sys. And since its all being privatized there, (unfortunately this will likely happen in Canada to) the sentences being doled out are expanding steadily cause the longer you in, the more $ they make.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.[close]
There all a lot of issues with all types of prison systems. Murderers that have been deemed rehabilitated go out and kill again. Some people can't be rehabilitated.
Also living in Canada there are many moments where the justice system has been way to lenient on people, such as with Karla Homolka who served 12 years, and she was someone who drugged her little sister so her BF could rape her and then proceeded to watch her suffocate to death and then continued killing.
I snaked Gator on the spine ramp at McGill's a week or two before he did that shit
Expand QuoteI snaked Gator on the spine ramp at McGill's a week or two before he did that shit[close]
Not trying to one up that at all, just similar timeline experience. I won a contest at Sk8 Underground in Moreno Valley that Gator judged post murder-pre turning himself in. That was wild, like a week later my mom said "do you know who Gator is? Apparently he just confessed to a murder". He came up to me after the contest and he was definitely in a whole other world...
Expand QuoteI snaked Gator on the spine ramp at McGill's a week or two before he did that shit[close]
Not trying to one up that at all, just similar timeline experience. I won a contest at Sk8 Underground in Moreno Valley that Gator judged post murder-pre turning himself in. That was wild, like a week later my mom said "do you know who Gator is? Apparently he just confessed to a murder". He came up to me after the contest and he was definitely in a whole other world...
Expand QuoteI snaked Gator on the spine ramp at McGill's a week or two before he did that shit[close]
Not trying to one up that at all, just similar timeline experience. I won a contest at Sk8 Underground in Moreno Valley that Gator judged post murder-pre turning himself in. That was wild, like a week later my mom said "do you know who Gator is? Apparently he just confessed to a murder". He came up to me after the contest and he was definitely in a whole other world...
Expand Quotesays here 'Reyes confessed to the crime in May 2002, their convictions were vacated in December that year. DNA evidence confirmed that Reyes raped Meili but could not confirm that he acted alone as he claimed.'
and these guys lives haven't changed at all behind his confession? a man who makes gator look like a shoplifter [matias reyes cut the eyes out of his victims that he didn't kill and raped his own mama] makes a confession and everyone runs to believe it but the kids all told detailed stories of a confession but it's 'coerced'?
it's a good narrative, blame the blacks and browns for a horrific crime committed by a single brown?
like they say, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fools.
http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/reyes-matias.htm
watch my man and see if he's not a little too detailed for making it up/coerced.[close]
Dude this is old fucking news. You obviously just want to believe those kids were guilty. Their "confessions" don't match the facts gathered by investigators and the "confessions" contradict each other. They were kids that were interrogated on and off for 14-30 hours. They made shit up.
We all agree Reyes, the guy who actually did this, was evil. That has nothing to do with the kids so I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up in association with the five. They didn't know Reyes (they didn't even all know each other smh...)
False Confessions and the Jogger Case
By Saul Kassin
Nov. 1, 2002 New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/01/opinion/false-confessions-and-the-jogger-case.html
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a disingenuous stance to take if you're not going to point out the differences between America's prisons and Norway's prisons, of which there are many.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIf he is granted parole it means he is suitable to be released. America has such ridiculous prison sentences to begin with. Punishment is irrational. Anyone who says he should be killed, or hopes that he "got his" in prison is really no better than him.[close]
Anders Behring Breivik (guy who killed 77 people) was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism, and he got the MAXIMUM sentence in Norway, which was only 21 years.[close]
Yes most developed countries have come to the conclusion that longterm prison sentences are useless. America is the anomaly, where they have no problem sentencing a youth to life without parole.[close][close]
It's not only Norway. Look at sentencing for comparable crimes between the USA and Canada. The USA is the only developed country hat has life without parole.[close]
There all a lot of issues with all types of prison systems. Murderers that have been deemed rehabilitated go out and kill again. Some people can't be rehabilitated.
Also living in Canada there are many moments where the justice system has been way to lenient on people, such as with Karla Homolka who served 12 years, and she was someone who drugged her little sister so her BF could rape her and then proceeded to watch her suffocate to death and then continued killing.
that's right now make 9 more posts and kook me you foolExpand QuoteExpand Quotesays here 'Reyes confessed to the crime in May 2002, their convictions were vacated in December that year. DNA evidence confirmed that Reyes raped Meili but could not confirm that he acted alone as he claimed.'
and these guys lives haven't changed at all behind his confession? a man who makes gator look like a shoplifter [matias reyes cut the eyes out of his victims that he didn't kill and raped his own mama] makes a confession and everyone runs to believe it but the kids all told detailed stories of a confession but it's 'coerced'?
it's a good narrative, blame the blacks and browns for a horrific crime committed by a single brown?
like they say, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fools.
http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/reyes-matias.htm
watch my man and see if he's not a little too detailed for making it up/coerced.[close]
Dude this is old fucking news. You obviously just want to believe those kids were guilty. Their "confessions" don't match the facts gathered by investigators and the "confessions" contradict each other. They were kids that were interrogated on and off for 14-30 hours. They made shit up.
We all agree Reyes, the guy who actually did this, was evil. That has nothing to do with the kids so I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up in association with the five. They didn't know Reyes (they didn't even all know each other smh...)
False Confessions and the Jogger Case
By Saul Kassin
Nov. 1, 2002 New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/01/opinion/false-confessions-and-the-jogger-case.html[close]
Psshh, those are just 'facts' getting in the way of a Dunning-Kruger mind. Don't forget, he is operating off a higher level of information!
that's right now make 9 more posts and kook me you foolExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesays here 'Reyes confessed to the crime in May 2002, their convictions were vacated in December that year. DNA evidence confirmed that Reyes raped Meili but could not confirm that he acted alone as he claimed.'
and these guys lives haven't changed at all behind his confession? a man who makes gator look like a shoplifter [matias reyes cut the eyes out of his victims that he didn't kill and raped his own mama] makes a confession and everyone runs to believe it but the kids all told detailed stories of a confession but it's 'coerced'?
it's a good narrative, blame the blacks and browns for a horrific crime committed by a single brown?
like they say, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fools.
http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/reyes-matias.htm
watch my man and see if he's not a little too detailed for making it up/coerced.[close]
Dude this is old fucking news. You obviously just want to believe those kids were guilty. Their "confessions" don't match the facts gathered by investigators and the "confessions" contradict each other. They were kids that were interrogated on and off for 14-30 hours. They made shit up.
We all agree Reyes, the guy who actually did this, was evil. That has nothing to do with the kids so I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up in association with the five. They didn't know Reyes (they didn't even all know each other smh...)
False Confessions and the Jogger Case
By Saul Kassin
Nov. 1, 2002 New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/01/opinion/false-confessions-and-the-jogger-case.html[close]
Psshh, those are just 'facts' getting in the way of a Dunning-Kruger mind. Don't forget, he is operating off a higher level of information![close]
no, i think ann coulter wrote an article and i'm like 'what is she talking about? they won $ from nyc, that wouldn't happen if they were guilty.'lol you're seriously citing Ann Coulter?
but her article did check out w/ some other sources and like i said, the smug athiests series 'when they rape us' really brought it all home. i find it funny that people get on their pseudo high horse that 'it's racist to think black and brown people did this' when we agree a brown person [matias reyes] did it. we just disagree on all the others.
do you disagree that they were 'wilding' in the park that night and attacking people on bikes and pedestrians? i'm not saying everyone of the CP5 raped central park jogger but they all bludgeoned her and at least one of them besides matias reyes did.
i understand how it sounds from a distance, don't take my word for it, watch the series. or read an alternative version and contrast/compare.
i'm not bosom buddies of ann coulter but you take knowledge where you get it. if she told you milton martinez was gnarly would you argue because she's ann coulter? everyone's right sometimes. what makes everyone on here an expert, a one sided psuedo documentary? that shit was fiction.
i'm not bosom buddies of ann coulter but you take knowledge where you get it. if she told you milton martinez was gnarly would you argue because she's ann coulter? everyone's right sometimes. what makes everyone on here an expert, a one sided psuedo documentary? that shit was fiction.
Expand Quotei'm not bosom buddies of ann coulter but you take knowledge where you get it. if she told you milton martinez was gnarly would you argue because she's ann coulter? everyone's right sometimes. what makes everyone on here an expert, a one sided psuedo documentary? that shit was fiction.[close]
Lol imagine stanning Ann fucking Coulter. Take your ass to focus town bud.
It's a reference to that dumbass Eminem song.Expand QuoteExpand Quotei'm not bosom buddies of ann coulter but you take knowledge where you get it. if she told you milton martinez was gnarly would you argue because she's ann coulter? everyone's right sometimes. what makes everyone on here an expert, a one sided psuedo documentary? that shit was fiction.[close]
Lol imagine stanning Ann fucking Coulter. Take your ass to focus town bud.[close]
Like, "Stan" the poster here? Is he a verb now?
ok coomerIt's a reference to that dumbass Eminem song.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotei'm not bosom buddies of ann coulter but you take knowledge where you get it. if she told you milton martinez was gnarly would you argue because she's ann coulter? everyone's right sometimes. what makes everyone on here an expert, a one sided psuedo documentary? that shit was fiction.[close]
Lol imagine stanning Ann fucking Coulter. Take your ass to focus town bud.[close]
Like, "Stan" the poster here? Is he a verb now?[close]
I found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.i wondered what became of Everclear
Fuck Most Of yall. Kidnapping, raping, killing, burying - Really Not cool. But a Little cool, right? Yall acting like u dont like the Bad guys in the Movies. 27 years jeez. Hope he gets out and gets your assesWell look like they finally let gator start using the computer room.
I found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.
i wondered what became of EverclearExpand QuoteI found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.[close]
i wondered what became of EverclearExpand Quote[close]
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Smurfberry punch
he goin be pissed off af when he get out and make a comeback skating
I found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.
which board would be better for nollie heelflips?
asking for a friend
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yo ann coulter if you like research so much read everything you can about the mcmartin preschool trial (longest criminal trial in US history) and then come back and talk about “confessions”that's right now make 9 more posts and kook me you foolExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesays here 'Reyes confessed to the crime in May 2002, their convictions were vacated in December that year. DNA evidence confirmed that Reyes raped Meili but could not confirm that he acted alone as he claimed.'
and these guys lives haven't changed at all behind his confession? a man who makes gator look like a shoplifter [matias reyes cut the eyes out of his victims that he didn't kill and raped his own mama] makes a confession and everyone runs to believe it but the kids all told detailed stories of a confession but it's 'coerced'?
it's a good narrative, blame the blacks and browns for a horrific crime committed by a single brown?
like they say, it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fools.
http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/reyes-matias.htm
watch my man and see if he's not a little too detailed for making it up/coerced.[close]
Dude this is old fucking news. You obviously just want to believe those kids were guilty. Their "confessions" don't match the facts gathered by investigators and the "confessions" contradict each other. They were kids that were interrogated on and off for 14-30 hours. They made shit up.
We all agree Reyes, the guy who actually did this, was evil. That has nothing to do with the kids so I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up in association with the five. They didn't know Reyes (they didn't even all know each other smh...)
False Confessions and the Jogger Case
By Saul Kassin
Nov. 1, 2002 New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/01/opinion/false-confessions-and-the-jogger-case.html[close]
Psshh, those are just 'facts' getting in the way of a Dunning-Kruger mind. Don't forget, he is operating off a higher level of information![close]
which board would be better for nollie heelflips?Go fuck yourself
asking for a friend
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I found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.
which board would be better for nollie heelflips?
asking for a friend
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which board would be better for nollie heelflips?If someone scored a cover with one of these you'd have to give them props, even if you were Mr. serious. edit -a nice backside boneless cover with the 'gator' board.
asking for a friend
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I wonder if anyone gave him the ninja while in side.
Gator would be my entertainment until he checked in.
People tgink pc is safe. Thats where you might run into Action Jackson. Hit you over tge head with something and fucj your snoring face in your cell.
I found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.
Expand QuoteI found the douchebag that's buying all of the lame Gator reissues from Dorfman and Select Distribution. Apparently this guy likes to get as many of these as possible and is infatuated with Gator.[close]
There’s this kook on an Australian board raffle group who collects gators and thinks he’s fuckin Ricky Gervais freaking out the squares with his love for Gator. I reckon it’s him.
This guy would be fun if social media was a thing then
Some guy I know and that used to linger around our crew, tried to rape two girls at knife point two separate times and got stabbed by one of them because she was an experienced prostitute. Guy got 7 years and only did like 5 and apparently first thing he does is try to show up at the skatepark like nothing happens. Thankfully haven’t seen him yet or I might go to jail.
i’ve always thought the same thing. Like rape is evil unless you’re in jail and then it’s deserved. I’ve never done any serious time but from what i’ve seen ppl basically pack their shit up and move to the snitch area before they get jumpedYou kind of have to wonder about the psychological well-being of people who have prison rape fantasies. It's clearly a fixation for some - thow in some convict lingo to try to sound legit. The ultimate submissive fantasy, I guess. A desire to be absolutely powerless. Get well soon or you might find out that it's not what you imagined.Expand QuoteI wonder if anyone gave him the ninja while in side.
Gator would be my entertainment until he checked in.
People tgink pc is safe. Thats where you might run into Action Jackson. Hit you over tge head with something and fucj your snoring face in your cell.[close]
He'll probably go and bro down in La Habra with the Calvary Chapel crew-Hosoi, Shawn Mandoli and, Pastor Jay, who encouraged him to confess.It's fucking lame how real this is. Gator testimony video incoming.
Religion is all about forgiveness, I'm sure they'll accept him with open arms-he's still a crackpot christian, after all.
People are terrible.
My family has an unfortunately high percentage of people with severe bipolar disorder. I've always found it weird trying to figure out how much blame to assign to someone who's having an episode. If you've don't know anyone with the disorder it's probably hard to understand how insane it can make people. My Mom is pretty normal when she's doing well but when I was a kid I was woken up from a nap by her violently shaking me because she thought I was possessed by demons. My brother almost got us killed one time when he tried to yank the wheel when I was driving because he was convinced there was a hidden shortcut home through the trees.
Not saying Gator should be let out into society. His brand of crazy makes him rape and murder people and I would guess sitting in jail for a few decades probably didn't do anything to make him a more stable person. But I think an ideal society would probably have a way to at least try and fix people like him.
You can now sign a petition to help Gator get released, if that's your thing. Started by Jim Goodrich, it seems. A few recognisable names on it.
https://www.change.org/p/gavin-newsom-petition-to-affirm-mark-rogowski-parole-release-c7f32018-8de9-4e5b-a902-335ee651ee6a (https://www.change.org/p/gavin-newsom-petition-to-affirm-mark-rogowski-parole-release-c7f32018-8de9-4e5b-a902-335ee651ee6a)
a tragic. Much better word to use than brutalExpand QuoteYou can now sign a petition to help Gator get released, if that's your thing. Started by Jim Goodrich, it seems. A few recognisable names on it.
https://www.change.org/p/gavin-newsom-petition-to-affirm-mark-rogowski-parole-release-c7f32018-8de9-4e5b-a902-335ee651ee6a (https://www.change.org/p/gavin-newsom-petition-to-affirm-mark-rogowski-parole-release-c7f32018-8de9-4e5b-a902-335ee651ee6a)[close]
"incarcerated since 1991 when he turned himself in, confessing to the tragic rape and murder of a former friend at age 24 (his first and only felony)"
But my dudes.. raping and murdering a woman and tossing her body was HIS FIRST FELONY! He's a totally upstanding member of society except for that teensy lil' rape and murder kerfluffle!
i don't know why you all care so much about gator. he will prolly never come back to skating anyways. and you fucktards will suck Cory Kennedy's dick when he get out of prison.
i don't know why you all care so much about gator. he will prolly never come back to skating anyways. and you fucktards will suck Cory Kennedy's dick when he get out of prison.
back to the pokey for RicoSweet.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-27/parole-grant-reversed-for-gator-former-skateboard-superstar-convicted-for-1991-rape-murder
Sweet.Expand Quoteback to the pokey for Rico
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-27/parole-grant-reversed-for-gator-former-skateboard-superstar-convicted-for-1991-rape-murder[close]
Expand QuoteSweet.Expand Quoteback to the pokey for Rico
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-27/parole-grant-reversed-for-gator-former-skateboard-superstar-convicted-for-1991-rape-murder[close][close]
Fucking good. Hope he rots in there.
back to the pokey for RicoGood. His lawyer sounds like a dick too.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-27/parole-grant-reversed-for-gator-former-skateboard-superstar-convicted-for-1991-rape-murder
Expand QuoteYou can now sign a petition to help Gator get released, if that's your thing. Started by Jim Goodrich, it seems. A few recognisable names on it.
https://www.change.org/p/gavin-newsom-petition-to-affirm-mark-rogowski-parole-release-c7f32018-8de9-4e5b-a902-335ee651ee6a (https://www.change.org/p/gavin-newsom-petition-to-affirm-mark-rogowski-parole-release-c7f32018-8de9-4e5b-a902-335ee651ee6a)[close]
"incarcerated since 1991 when he turned himself in, confessing to the tragic rape and murder of a former friend at age 24 (his first and only felony)"
But my dudes.. raping and murdering a woman and tossing her body was HIS FIRST FELONY! He's a totally upstanding member of society except for that teensy lil' rape and murder kerfluffle!
They should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.
They should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.No, no you won't
They should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.
They should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.(https://media1.tenor.com/images/33195dbb05dacfe627abbceb61647499/tenor.gif?itemid=10559336)
They should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.
Expand QuoteThey should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.[close]
You know CK is a grown man, right? He’d flog you. We’ve all read your posts and concluded long ago that you’re between twelve and 16. Even if you feel like you’re a man, fighting a grown man as a kid means you’re gunna get knocked out.
They should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.[close]
You know CK is a grown man, right? He’d flog you. We’ve all read your posts and concluded long ago that you’re between twelve and 16. Even if you feel like you’re a man, fighting a grown man as a kid means you’re gunna get knocked out.[close]
Cory Kennedy is a fucking poosey bro
Expand QuoteThey should keep Cory Kennedy in prison too. Id kick his ass if I ever see him at a skatepark.[close]
Really think this through. I am not even going to address whether you should or should not want to fight CK. Number one, I would bet a lot of money that you wouldn't have the balls to fight him or anyone else for that matter. Number 2, do you really think it is a good idea to fight someone who has been in prison for the past x amount of years and has had nothing to do besides work out? Get your shit together.