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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Saarinotsorry on March 30, 2020, 09:18:19 AM
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
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Just keep your mind the same why do you want us to change it
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Art is subjective. Change your own mind.
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Art is subjective.
what does this mean?
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When I was younger I read Bluebeard by Kurt Vonnegut. The narrator's explanation of what draws him to abstract art was pretty eye opening. Its cool to not get certain styles art and write off other's people's interest in it, but I am really glad that I went down the abstract expressionism rabbit hole. Psychedelics definitely make it easier to appreciate emotion without context though so that might be a good place to start on your changing mind journey.
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i agree. and while i think his art is booty and his ~so~ zany kook demeanor sucks, he does look like he has fun when hes pushing around
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Obviously not every piece of art he makes is God tier but he's definitely not shit. His designs for Supreme/Krooked are some of my favorites. His sweatpants graphic will always be iconic.
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Gonz is our Basquiat
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
his art is like the supreme brick
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
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Gonz isn't funny and is annoying as fuck. I could be fine never seeing him skate again.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
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had friends growing up that would tell me: "Gonz's skating is trash. Change my mind"
uhh, no! you clearly just don't get it
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Art is subjective. Change your own mind.
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gonz would be very disappointed, you know he made his art FOR you
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As an artist myself ( I actually pay my bills with my art ) I think that everyone has the right to make art and sell it for as much as people are willing to pay but, my only concern is that more and more I see underdeveloped styles being pushed on to the market just because the artist is a celebrity or professional skateboarder. In my opinion that's not good for the artist nor the industry. Just like in skateboarding you don’t get good at it out of nowhere,It takes time and practice to develop it and make it became your voice.
I Personally think Mark’s art is overhyped because of who he is but at the same time I do see something really good in there. Maybe he needs less “yes people” around him telling his stuff is great.
Ps. ALL ART IS TRASH.
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Spent full week with Mark once, he is one those people that goes by "larger than life". His whole life is an art, I guess that what it takes to go for a handrail when everybody skate ramp or flat.
You can question his art, but he is true artist.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
three of the most urban outfitter artist out there.
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art is but a time stamp of a moment, everything is art. all art is good to someone because it was made. no one has to get it, art is but a idea in existence.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
retna is an OG from my city and on MSK crew - he fucks with Louis Vuitton , don’t play yourself girl
people watch exit through the gift shop one time and don’t know how to act ::)
here’s some better ones ya bish
style wars (had to)
Infamy
Wild style
Men in black 1/2/3
Dirty hands 1/2/3
Bomb it
Getting up
Piece by piece
State your name
Area08
Sly artistic city
Kings and toys
Stockholm subway stories
Stockholm live
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
I'm wondering if you're truly curious about my thoughts on "good" art or if I'm being set up to be roasted, but here is my attempt to verbalize what I consider to be "good" art...
"Good" art should be something that requires a mastery of a skill set in the creators chosen art form. Such as potter creating a vase. The first attempts maybe lackluster, but over time the potter achieves a finished product that can't be recreated by a novice. "Good" art should progress beyond the "novice" level.
I can appreciate many different forms of art, but if I look at a piece of art and think to myself "I can can do that", I wont consider that piece to be "good" art.
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(https://images.app.goo.gl/9nHvvA8dRgGjfCkeA)
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no dude,
bobby puleo's art is trash
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what does this mean?
It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
Pretty sure you meant Danny Minnick. But since he's not Gonz...you'll have no clue who that is.
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
Pretty sure you meant Danny Minnick. But since he's not Gonz...you'll have no clue who that is.
Uhm. I know exactly who Danny is and have met him multiple times in LA. Dude shot alot of Muskas’s most memorable footage. Try again KOOK.
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In his defense, he very much has his own style. If you see a painting of his, you instantly know its his. Anyone that has done any art form can attest to how difficult it is to do something original and recognizable. Kieth Haring did simple characters that certain people like so I think its the same with Gonz. People like it for how it makes them feel and that makes it good art. If you don't like it thats fine but if it makes him feel good and makes others feel good it is undeniably effective art.
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"Good" art should be something that requires a mastery of a skill set in the creators chosen art form. Such as potter creating a vase. The first attempts maybe lackluster, but over time the potter achieves a finished product that can't be recreated by a novice. "Good" art should progress beyond the "novice" level.
I can appreciate many different forms of art, but if I look at a piece of art and think to myself "I can can do that", I wont consider that piece to be "good" art.
I think that good art is something that makes you feel something rather than how technically difficult it is. Also, someone can do a really technically impressive photo-realistic painting with a terrible composition, poor use of colour etc. and it ends up bad anyways.
The "I could do that" thing only works when you remove the piece from any context. If someone takes a big canvas and paints it two colours, you could say that you could have done the same, but you didn't, and more importantly it ignores the larger context of what is going on in the world, especially in art. When someone does something new, or subversive that matters as well. You could copy a Mondrian (and I think you might find that suddenly it's harder than you thought to make...) but you wouldn't be doing something new, and it wouldn't have the same meaning as it did when he was making those famous paintings because of what other people were doing at the time.
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Art is self expression. Personally I think his art is neat, but if you don't then who cares. Art is just about the most subjective thing out there.
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
that's like discrediting rodney mullen inventing the kickflip because "most of us can replicate that trick"
conceiving the idea is part of the accomplishment
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
Check it out... I can draw like a highly acclaimed artist... I must be an artist!
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
Please...submit a pic. Better yet a video proving you're not tracing anything. And let us change our minds about your statement. There's plenty of time in these times.....annnnnnd go
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
that's like discrediting rodney mullen inventing the kickflip because "most of us can replicate that trick"
conceiving the idea is part of the accomplishment
Exactly! To build on that analogy: I'd rather watch a good kickflip than a mobbed triple-flip. Doesn't matter that the triple flip is "technically" harder.
Someone can make art that looks like a quick doodle, but there is mastery and self-expression within it. We can all draw a stick figure, but some people's will be more pleasing than others.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
I'm wondering if you're truly curious about my thoughts on "good" art or if I'm being set up to be roasted, but here is my attempt to verbalize what I consider to be "good" art...
"Good" art should be something that requires a mastery of a skill set in the creators chosen art form. Such as potter creating a vase. The first attempts maybe lackluster, but over time the potter achieves a finished product that can't be recreated by a novice. "Good" art should progress beyond the "novice" level.
I can appreciate many different forms of art, but if I look at a piece of art and think to myself "I can can do that", I wont consider that piece to be "good" art.
That's not art, it's craftsmanship. That said, I don't like Gonz' art.
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i think art and craftsmanship are interrelated
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
I'm wondering if you're truly curious about my thoughts on "good" art or if I'm being set up to be roasted, but here is my attempt to verbalize what I consider to be "good" art...
"Good" art should be something that requires a mastery of a skill set in the creators chosen art form. Such as potter creating a vase. The first attempts maybe lackluster, but over time the potter achieves a finished product that can't be recreated by a novice. "Good" art should progress beyond the "novice" level.
I can appreciate many different forms of art, but if I look at a piece of art and think to myself "I can can do that", I wont consider that piece to be "good" art.
That's not art, it's craftsmanship. That said, I don't like Gonz' art.
Fair enough. I consider craftsmanship to be a form "good" art. Anybody can put a pen to paper, strum a guitar, carve a piece of wood, etc. but to consider childish doodles to be good art takes away from what some truly great artist do. Some people try to classify Gonz's art as greater than what it truly is. Sure it's art, but it's not great art.
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
Check it out... I can draw like a highly acclaimed artist... I must be an artist!
You’re just copying a highly acclaimed artist
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It's like thinking you could design a great logo because you can draw a Nike swoosh.
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Trash art has a poster child and thats Jeff Koons. BUT anyone who separates rich idiots from their money for something they made is OK in my book.
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In his defense, he very much has his own style. If you see a painting of his, you instantly know its his. Anyone that has done any art form can attest to how difficult it is to do something original and recognizable. Kieth Haring did simple characters that certain people like so I think its the same with Gonz. People like it for how it makes them feel and that makes it good art. If you don't like it thats fine but if it makes him feel good and makes others feel good it is undeniably effective art.
Just, NO. You think ANYONE outside of skateboarding even knows his name? You think any of those 5 people have bought any of his “art”? Lol. Gansz is only popular with 40 something-year-old skateboarders who grew up idolizing him in the 1980s
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It’s a cliche but the art/fashion/photography scene really is all about who you know. Your perceived talent is a far 2nd in comparison to if you have a name in something “cool and authentic” like skateboarding and if you appeal to hypebeasts/big city hipsters
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
that's like discrediting rodney mullen inventing the kickflip because "most of us can replicate that trick"
conceiving the idea is part of the accomplishment
Only one said idea is worth replicating
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Your personal preference may be subjective, however, the statement that his art is trash is false. Beginning with Gonz's second Vision model, his self-drawn art represented a turning point from an established company (with the big 5 general taking inspiration from '60s hot rods, surf, and psychedelia). Blender, Lucero, and Gonz created a new visual identity relevant to a younger generation. You may not like his art, however, it is relevant to the visual identity of modern skateboarding and had proven to be financially viable to Blind (who used and abused his original art and logo long after he left).
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JCCgPJG1P98/SjlnXtluC7I/AAAAAAAACIE/T4IdKicyRYY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/GONZ-vis-COLORnat-big.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0022/8193/0805/products/IMG_2823_400x.jpg?v=1529958410)
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/312529069344_/Blind-Mark-Gonzales-Colored-People-Old-School-Reissue.jpg)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/c0.180.1440.1440a/s640x640/83497284_3085051751540147_9210209381175502921_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=EkTK3HsTWe8AX8QZx7e&oh=affa7ecb7180da58a987e77c03c230c2&oe=5EBF225C)
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In his defense, he very much has his own style. If you see a painting of his, you instantly know its his. Anyone that has done any art form can attest to how difficult it is to do something original and recognizable. Kieth Haring did simple characters that certain people like so I think its the same with Gonz. People like it for how it makes them feel and that makes it good art. If you don't like it thats fine but if it makes him feel good and makes others feel good it is undeniably effective art.
Just, NO. You think ANYONE outside of skateboarding even knows his name? You think any of those 5 people have bought any of his “art”? Lol. Gansz is only popular with 40 something-year-old skateboarders who grew up idolizing him in the 1980s
Given the current President of the US collects his art, at least buys it, I'm going to guess its more than skateboarders that are familiar.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
Dude, I'm 32 too!! But I do let him get a free pass on a lot of bullshit, that's true.
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never knew that was his handwriting though i can see it now i knew he named the company blind as a "fuck you" to vision, always thought that was cool.
natas still has the better handwritten logo.
the irony being i am wearing a gonz adidas drawn hoodie as i type this
ha.
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In his defense, he very much has his own style. If you see a painting of his, you instantly know its his. Anyone that has done any art form can attest to how difficult it is to do something original and recognizable. Kieth Haring did simple characters that certain people like so I think its the same with Gonz. People like it for how it makes them feel and that makes it good art. If you don't like it thats fine but if it makes him feel good and makes others feel good it is undeniably effective art.
Just, NO. You think ANYONE outside of skateboarding even knows his name? You think any of those 5 people have bought any of his “art”? Lol. Gansz is only popular with 40 something-year-old skateboarders who grew up idolizing him in the 1980s
Given the current President of the US collects his art, at least buys it, I'm going to guess its more than skateboarders that are familiar.
No way! Lol please prove this. I hope its true btw
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In his defense, he very much has his own style. If you see a painting of his, you instantly know its his. Anyone that has done any art form can attest to how difficult it is to do something original and recognizable. Kieth Haring did simple characters that certain people like so I think its the same with Gonz. People like it for how it makes them feel and that makes it good art. If you don't like it thats fine but if it makes him feel good and makes others feel good it is undeniably effective art.
Just, NO. You think ANYONE outside of skateboarding even knows his name? You think any of those 5 people have bought any of his “art”? Lol. Gansz is only popular with 40 something-year-old skateboarders who grew up idolizing him in the 1980s
Given the current President of the US collects his art, at least buys it, I'm going to guess its more than skateboarders that are familiar.
No way! Lol please prove this. I hope its true btw
Just use google chode. And when your asked to have your art say somewhere like this :
(https://i.ibb.co/fM6DRww/gonz-museum.jpg)
Come back talking trash all you want.
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That's not art, it's craftsmanship.
There's so many essays and books on this subject. This point of view is also a barrier that western artists and art historians use/have used to subjugate or other the works of non western artists.
Marks work is easily identified as some of you have already pointed out. Artwork is neither good nor bad. It is within context its meaning emerges. Mark's work has emerged through skateboarding, and has strengthened its association to skateboarding through the repetition of its presence. It has undergone signification(gained its meaning) in this way. I'm invoking structuralism, and work by Roland Barthes.
tldr Mark's work has influenced the visual vocabulary and language of skateboarding.
Mark is represented by galleries and has a following of collectors. Hoards of skateboarders show up to his shows, but I don't think they're the ones normally buying his work. So that means someone out there is paying thousands for it. I'm pretty sure it isn't trump directly buying, but people working for him have bought Mark's work which indicates it is expected to only increase in value. The realm of high art/collecting is full of names that aren't known by most people anyway.
https://www.wmagazine.com/story/donald-trump-defund-arts-andy-warhol/
This article mentions Mark Gonzales being in Trump's collection. Not concrete evidence though.
As an artist myself ( I actually pay my bills with my art ) I think that everyone has the right to make art and sell it for as much as people are willing to pay but, my only concern is that more and more I see underdeveloped styles being pushed on to the market just because the artist is a celebrity or professional skateboarder. In my opinion that's not good for the artist nor the industry. Just like in skateboarding you don’t get good at it out of nowhere,It takes time and practice to develop it and make it became your voice.
I Personally think Mark’s art is overhyped because of who he is but at the same time I do see something really good in there. Maybe he needs less “yes people” around him telling his stuff is great.
Ps. ALL ART IS TRASH.
Patrons can be trash as well. KAWS is wildly successful yet is panned by critics.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
I'm wondering if you're truly curious about my thoughts on "good" art or if I'm being set up to be roasted, but here is my attempt to verbalize what I consider to be "good" art...
"Good" art should be something that requires a mastery of a skill set in the creators chosen art form. Such as potter creating a vase. The first attempts maybe lackluster, but over time the potter achieves a finished product that can't be recreated by a novice. "Good" art should progress beyond the "novice" level.
I can appreciate many different forms of art, but if I look at a piece of art and think to myself "I can can do that", I wont consider that piece to be "good" art.
Ultimately, with any provided amount of time, you could produce any type of art. Gonz art can be called easy, but it's his signature form of drawing... he does it, that's what's important to it. Trend occurs, we get graphics of all types representing deck or clothing companies etc. Gonz and many others have coined the sketch look. The simple form works, in the most basic basic terms. It's not overthought at all. So in an attempt to "change my mind", it's good because it isn't overthought while achieving the goal of being a board graphic.
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It's perfectly fine not to like Gonz' art. I can understand it. Some I like, some I don't. It doesn't make a huge impact on my life either way.
Change your mind? Fuck off. That aint in the job description.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
My guy stencils aren’t art. Banksy sucks and street art is the world part of art. Embarrassing how accepting they are of it yet fucking hate graffiti no matter how good or complex a burner can be.
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Trash art has a poster child and thats Jeff Koons. BUT anyone who separates rich idiots from their money for something they made is OK in my book.
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I think it will be interesting to see if his art 'career' will survive the virus. I'm not so sure a lot of his gallery patrons and purchasers will be so willing or able to purchase/display art from now on. His work is in more jeopardy because it is seen as 'investment art', to a lot of the people who it is sold to, like someone else said. Anyway, some of you seem to associate monetary value to great art, so, what will you think when that gets thrown out the window... Again, why would you ask people on the internet to change your mind on a subjective topic? The mind boggles
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I think it will be interesting to see if his art 'career' will survive the virus. I'm not so sure a lot of his gallery patrons and purchasers will be so willing or able to purchase/display art from now on. His work is in more jeopardy because it is seen as 'investment art', to a lot of the people who it is sold to, like someone else said. Anyway, some of you seem to associate monetary value to great art, so, what will you think when that gets thrown out the window... Again, why would you ask people on the internet to change your mind on a subjective topic? The mind boggles
I started this thread with the intention of discovering other peoples opinion on the subject.
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I always thought the point and appeal of Gonz is exactly that hes hustling everyone and avoiding real jobs. Like the quality of the art is irrelevant.
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I started this thread with the intention of discovering other peoples opinion on the subject.
But you had no intention of changing your mind? Or you chose not to type that in your reply because you thought it was implied.
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That gator drawing he did on that cromer snub board is beautiful
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how dare you
shawom
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I like how divisive it is. People who hate it hate the shit out of it, people who love it, myself included, love it. His concepts usually make me laugh. If he pitched some of his weird little poems to some art room guy and they made some elaborate thing out of it, that would kind of defeat the purpose. We are talking about the inventor or the noseblunt here guys. An innovator. It often looks like his mind is racing so much that hes constantly coming up with the next idea and he cant stop. His best stuff reminds me of mc escher meets keith haring. The ipad has allowed him to put stuff down quickly and more accurately than earlier krooked stuff. I just remember on guerreros 9 club when he said he realized he was just coloring in these crazy faxes mark was sending. At least mg can complete his own thoughts now, seems like a hard person to collaborate with
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
People have the same opinion about graffiti in general, ‘it’s not art’. Both opinions are equally ignorant.
It’s not the medium, it’s what you do with it. Spray paint freehand, stencil, paintbrush, splatter, are all just ways of painting a surface. But is it interesting? Does it make you pause?
There are tons of expertly rendered photorealistic pictures and graffiti, but that in itself doesn’t make it art either. It can be boring as fuck.
Stencils CAN be art, especially in the way Banksy handles them.
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Bankys work is so deep yo..
It makes you like, think about society and shit
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no dude,
bobby puleo's art is trash
Truth
(https://i.postimg.cc/PqQp3T9X/Screenshot-2020-03-30-21-11-06.png)
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his art is good in the right context and application (not talking about his skating, idc if you think skating is art)
good example
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/PatgVhw9A_N55qOPTVONpw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTQyNi42NjY2NjY2NjY2NjY3/https://media.zenfs.com/en/gq_402/cf769f6c23bb196a60e07706e0ee485d)
bad example
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most of the time its trash but then again most art is
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Bankys work is so deep yo..
It makes you like, think about society and shit
Some of it is deep (and plays on art history) and some of it isn’t.
Still better than the GONZ’S scratchings.
But if there is any of GONZ’S art that I do appreciate, it’s how he lives life playfully.
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who here is willing to throw down 2 grand on these collages?
https://www.boo-hooray.com/advSearchResults.php?category_id=207&action=search&authorField=Mark+Gonzales
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what does this mean?
It’s like skateboarding. Some people like Braille and some people like gx2000
But they’re both skateboarding
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I wouldn’t say trash but sure lots of it could be replicated by people who are particularly talented. I like gonz art but it’s not like he can draw hyper realistic portraits that look like photographs.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
Louder with Crowder...change my mind
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Is he even known to people outside of skating? Seems like most skaters under 30 don't even know who he is.
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Is he even known to people outside of skating? Seems like most skaters under 30 don't even know who he is.
It does seem unlikely, but his art has been sold to lots of celebrities including Trump. The US President owns Gonz's art, which is surreal.
I like some of Gonz's art. It's imaginative and fun, like the Vision split face board. I have his art and poetry book Social Problem, and it's full of cool illustrations like a woman giving birth on a motorcycle. I even like his writing - his stories in Thrasher especially.
I agree that some of his art looks puerile, childish - but I'd say it's not indicative of his whole oeuvre. And just because something is simple, it doesn't mean that it lacks depth.
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The only snowboard I ever paid full price for features Gonz art and I still think it’s the best thing he’s ever done. You be the judge:
(https://agnarchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ranquetGONZ2016.jpg)
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The only snowboard I ever paid full price for features Gonz art and I still think it’s the best thing he’s ever done. You be the judge:
(https://agnarchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ranquetGONZ2016.jpg)
And it's a ranquet, which is just sick as fuck.
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And just because something is simple, it doesn't mean that it lacks depth.
(https://i.imgur.com/9QsCgQb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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The "city" Ham portrays is actually a complex intertwining of the pressures of fame, addiction, and mud.
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Kids definitely know about Gonz. He’s made multiple videos with Adidas and shit. Mini-docu things with transworld, CCS, 2 with Hypebeast (lame platform, but it is reaching even farther than just skaters). The reason he works as a cultural icon is because he’s “the kid that never grew up.” Kids can watch the videos featuring him and be like hell yeah when I get to be 50 and onwards I can still be cruising around, goofing off, making art, making jokes, being silly and non serious. I don’t have to grow up and stop skating and start being “a serious adult” (maybe unintentional, maybe received subconsciously, but that definitely is the message).
His art IS childish and silly. On purpose. In the best possible way. That’s why I love it. It makes you think of him and his vibe (which some people don’t like, so your enjoyment of his work might depend on that)
Gonz and his art helps us tap into our Inner Child in a positive way, and embrace it
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The only snowboard I ever paid full price for features Gonz art and I still think it’s the best thing he’s ever done. You be the judge:
(https://agnarchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ranquetGONZ2016.jpg)
3/10
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Damn that’s fucked
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His skating was so good and revolutionary that now people will eat up any garbage he comes up with, which isn’t his fault. I think he’s an incredible human but he’s also enabled by our collective stupidity.
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more of an appleyard fan myself, he paints from the soul <3
(https://i.imgur.com/c60S0qr.png)
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The Gonz is dope.
Our Fuhrer Donny fucks with him.
You should too.
SHalom.
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Gonz has probably already had retrospective or two in his lifetime and may as well have one in a museum at some point, Puleo’s work needs to see the light of day. It’s a damn shame his batshit crazy conspiracy posts reach thousands, but his run-of-the-mill amassed, assimilated, and appropriated trash is mostly missed. Margera is just getting the mud under flow. One can only image what watercolors he must be sitting upon under quarantine.
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Doesn't seem to be shoving it down anyone's throat or trying to assign some kind of deep meaning to it. Seems like he just doodles like he's always done, and, being one of street skating's founding fathers, has a platform for it. He's probably just rolling with it and keeping the candy-coated dream alive. Why wouldn't he?
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It's nobody's job to change your mind. You're entitled to your opinion. Speaking in objective terms, however, his work has a consistently proven value to other people, not just financially, but aesthetically as well. I feel ya, though. I hate Andy Warhol, but I realize why he's important to people and I just fuck off with my opinion and let em have it when the subject comes up because nobody likes an edgelord.
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Put a Shmoo On It!
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Dude...
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Cmon...
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Yeah what an idiot. I remember watching Video Days like 10 years ago in my Baker phase and thought it was regular . Now I go back and can really appreciate the clips , the style and the board slides. You forgot there was a handful of people boardsliding double kinkers in the 90s.
His art becoming popular I feel was out of his control. He’s just rolling with it now, why wouldn’t you? Imagine doing some shitty paintings and the world went nuts for them (*cough* Basquiat *cough*). I’d just continue to crank them out too and see where life takes me on the free ride.
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I'm so grateful to have zero interest in art.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
I'm 25 years old virgin":D"
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Dude...
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4u_I6rwON01eJX-b2hOeK-uyK6K9Xzd8evA4cmfJ67fpFvZR3ZllNgQWZdw&s=10)
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Cmon...
Dang... That first photo is sick! The others don't do it for me, but you have reminded me of some sick shit that he was doing back when street skating was just starting to evolve. I retract my comment on his skate style, I don't get on with most of Gonz's stuff but I can admit that he has his moments.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
Pretty sure you meant Danny Minnick. But since he's not Gonz...you'll have no clue who that is.
Uhm. I know exactly who Danny is and have met him multiple times in LA. Dude shot alot of Muskas’s most memorable footage. Try again KOOK.
When you brag about meeting "Danny" and get so offeded you envoke "he filmd the Muska". I'll take kook status over your defense of "Danny" any day my guy
(https://i.ibb.co/hCGHL3J/IMG-2353.jpg)
And I'd take a 9999/10000 Schmoo over your boy "Danny"s "art" any day
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This just popped up in my suggested news feed
https://hypebeast.com/2020/3/mark-gonzales-adidas-skateboarding-shmoofoil-collection-lookbook-release-information (https://hypebeast.com/2020/3/mark-gonzales-adidas-skateboarding-shmoofoil-collection-lookbook-release-information)
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
retna is an OG from my city and on MSK crew - he fucks with Louis Vuitton , don’t play yourself girl
people watch exit through the gift shop one time and don’t know how to act ::)
here’s some better ones ya bish
style wars (had to)
Infamy
Wild style
Men in black 1/2/3
Dirty hands 1/2/3
Bomb it
Getting up
Piece by piece
State your name
Area08
Sly artistic city
Kings and toys
Stockholm subway stories
Stockholm live
Don’t play yourself my G
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I bomb abandoned places...
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4svEpDHGrZ/?igshid=39q9yn4llfkn
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Some are my thing and some not so much. Wouldn’t cop a piece that wasn’t a deck. Good on that.
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
retna is an OG from my city and on MSK crew - he fucks with Louis Vuitton , don’t play yourself girl
people watch exit through the gift shop one time and don’t know how to act ::)
here’s some better ones ya bish
style wars (had to)
Infamy
Wild style
Men in black 1/2/3
Dirty hands 1/2/3
Bomb it
Getting up
Piece by piece
State your name
Area08
Sly artistic city
Kings and toys
Stockholm subway stories
Stockholm live
(https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy/ws-lawrencealkin/usr/library/main/images/biber.jpg)
Word, I don’t listen to bieber but glad retna got paid making an album cover for your boy
Let me know if beebs needs some work for his next album im down to get a check, graffiti doesn’t pay too well these days yknow?
I’m sure you already watched all those videos and are all city in your area tho
You should come to LA and tell folks retna is wack and an urban outfitter artist! You’d be super cool in the streetz yo
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I bomb abandoned places...
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4svEpDHGrZ/?igshid=39q9yn4llfkn
ill!
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The only snowboard I ever paid full price for features Gonz art and I still think it’s the best thing he’s ever done. You be the judge:
(https://agnarchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ranquetGONZ2016.jpg)
And it's a ranquet, which is just sick as fuck.
Mike Ranquet sat shotgun in my Vanagon at a demo and proclaimed: “Minor Threat ain’t gonna cut it, got any Slayer?”
We quoted this for YEARS
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I was a full-on Gonz Fan and still dig him,
but he is vexing.
A teammate of his described traveling with
him as being like taking a toddler with you.
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Spent full week with Mark once, he is one those people that goes by "larger than life". His whole life is an art, I guess that what it takes to go for a handrail when everybody skate ramp or flat.
You can question his art, but he is true artist.
The word you’re looking for is autist.
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
Pretty sure you meant Danny Minnick. But since he's not Gonz...you'll have no clue who that is.
Uhm. I know exactly who Danny is and have met him multiple times in LA. Dude shot alot of Muskas’s most memorable footage. Try again KOOK.
When you brag about meeting "Danny" and get so offeded you envoke "he filmd the Muska". I'll take kook status over your defense of "Danny" any day my guy
(https://i.ibb.co/hCGHL3J/IMG-2353.jpg)
And I'd take a 9999/10000 Schmoo over your boy "Danny"s "art" any day
Im not your guy muh dude
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
*pretentiously adjusts spectacles*
(https://i.imgur.com/RbKKmJR.png)
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I work in art and I've been skating for 32y.The dude is a skate legend for sure but when it comes to art and especially paintings, damn this is pure rip off...
He would have never popped out without is skateboarding fame.Period
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I work in art and I've been skating for 32y.The dude is a skate legend for sure but when it comes to art and especially paintings, damn this is pure rip off...
He would have never popped out without is skateboarding fame.Period
User name checks out
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Average person walks into museum and looks at famous abstract painting “hey my kid could’ve painted this!” Yeah but they didn’t and even if they did art is 90% about who where when and why.
Gonz art also gives off child like wonder vibes which is a great representation of skateboarding IMO
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Gonz' visual art is good, in my opinion. It is also ok if you don't like it. To understand Gonz' art better, maybe check out Kieth Haring, Philip Guston, and Jean-Michel Basquiat. Again, if it is too basic for your tastes that OK, you dont have to like every skate artist. If Gonz' isn't your cup of tea, perhaps check out Winslow Homer.
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Spent full week with Mark once, he is one those people that goes by "larger than life". His whole life is an art, I guess that what it takes to go for a handrail when everybody skate ramp or flat.
You can question his art, but he is true artist.
The word you’re looking for is autist.
lol
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To be fair, if someone told me I had to choose between sitting in a room with Gonz or sitting in a room with Gonz's art, I'd choose his art every time.
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consistent, fun, and simple. seeing as this is a skate forum, if you don't appreciate that we don't agree on what style is.
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To be fair, if someone told me I had to choose between sitting in a room with Gonz or sitting in a room with Gonz's art, I'd choose his art every time.
you'd spare him the opportunity to wrestle you or the chair you'd be sitting in? blasphemy!
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To be fair, if someone told me I had to choose between sitting in a room with Gonz or sitting in a room with Gonz's art, I'd choose his art every time.
Id choose Gonz art over AI art too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJCzKdPyCo
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To be fair, if someone told me I had to choose between sitting in a room with Gonz or sitting in a room with Gonz's art, I'd choose his art every time.
you'd spare him the opportunity to wrestle you or the chair you'd be sitting in? blasphemy!
Well now that you put it that way...
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That's just, like, your opinion, man.......
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When I was younger I read Bluebeard by Kurt Vonnegut. The narrator's explanation of what draws him to abstract art was pretty eye opening. Its cool to not get certain styles art and write off other's people's interest in it, but I am really glad that I went down the abstract expressionism rabbit hole. Psychedelics definitely make it easier to appreciate emotion without context though so that might be a good place to start on your changing mind journey.
I loved that book! The OG "fugitive materials" cautionary tale. Anyways - OP, nobody is forcing you to like Gonz's art.
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it's original so there's that.
i dig it
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From someone who has travelled for art, but doesn't know much about it all (I just like to look at the pictures and stuff)
His art is fine. The prices are less than $5k so it's not like it's crazy expensive. Would I buy any of it? Probably not. Am I going to spend time concerned about it's quality... also no.
However, it's honestly my dream to be able to dip out of life, and dick around doing silly art projects full time. Massive respect to anyone who is able to do that, and make a bit of money from it.
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From someone who has travelled for art, but doesn't know much about it all (I just like to look at the pictures and stuff)
His art is fine. The prices are less than $5k so it's not like it's crazy expensive. Would I buy any of it? Probably not. Am I going to spend time concerned about it's quality... also no.
However, it's honestly my dream to be able to dip out of life, and dick around doing silly art projects full time. Massive respect to anyone who is able to do that, and make a bit of money from it.
You can get inexpensive Gonz zines at places like Printed Matter in NYC. I've always appreciated that about him - that you could afford to get something he's done even if you're fairly broke. And if you run into him on the street and don't kook it he might just make you a free drawing on the spot.
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From someone who has travelled for art, but doesn't know much about it all (I just like to look at the pictures and stuff)
His art is fine. The prices are less than $5k so it's not like it's crazy expensive. Would I buy any of it? Probably not. Am I going to spend time concerned about it's quality... also no.
However, it's honestly my dream to be able to dip out of life, and dick around doing silly art projects full time. Massive respect to anyone who is able to do that, and make a bit of money from it.
You can get inexpensive Gonz zines at places like Printed Matter in NYC. I've always appreciated that about him - that you could afford to get something he's done even if you're fairly broke. And if you run into him on the street and don't kook it he might just make you a free drawing on the spot.
Yeah he seems like a nice guy who is running his own race. The world needs more of that
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I like his skateboard art way more than some other guys’ graphics in the skate industry
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He can't draw nor do a decent flat color.
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He can't draw nor do a decent flat color.
Someone listened a little hard at art school and kinda missed the point.
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He can't draw nor do a decent flat color.
Someone listened a little hard at art school and kinda missed the point.
and the more shitty he'll draw the more ou'll like it
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Edgy McEdgerson!
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and the more shitty he'll draw the more ou'll like it
i think you're starting to grasp this whole 'subjective' thing
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Yes that’s why it’s sells so well and gives his brand a unique identity
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It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
Sometimes this rule doesn't apply at all and it is in fact trash. People like to act like art has no parameters but that's just wholly incorrect a lot of the time. I sat through four years of dozens of critiques of myself and others in art school and there was plenty of verifiable trash for specific reasons.
Gonz's art reminds me of the one or two people who had already developed a personal art brand (because they literally didn't have the skill set to do any other type of art) and interjected it into every assignment and every project even to their own detriment.
I would imagine there's a chance gonz never had to sit through a heavy critique and get gutted in order to grow as an artist. The faux outsider art aesthetic is pretty easy to replicate. Kids could draw a gonz graphic and it'd be more impressive because their fine motor skills aren't fully developed.
He's also pretty derivative. I can probably guess his biggest influences. All that said, his skating is pretty sick and that's art of his I appreciate as wholly original and not really replicable. It's interesting how his art on paper is very derivative, but meanwhile there is an entire age group of skaters who never developed their own style because they're a derivative of MG.
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It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
Sometimes this rule doesn't apply at all and it is in fact trash. People like to act like art has no parameters but that's just wholly incorrect a lot of the time. I sat through four years of dozens of critiques of myself and others in art school and there was plenty of verifiable trash for specific reasons.
Gonz's art reminds me of the one or two people who had already developed a personal art brand (because they literally didn't have the skill set to do any other type of art) and interjected it into every assignment and every project even to their own detriment.
I would imagine there's a chance gonz never had to sit through a heavy critique and get gutted in order to grow as an artist. The faux outsider art aesthetic is pretty easy to replicate. Kids could draw a gonz graphic and it'd be more impressive because their fine motor skills aren't fully developed.
He's also pretty derivative. I can probably guess his biggest influences.
This sounds like something someone who makes objectively bad art would say
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It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
Sometimes this rule doesn't apply at all and it is in fact trash. People like to act like art has no parameters but that's just wholly incorrect a lot of the time. I sat through four years of dozens of critiques of myself and others in art school and there was plenty of verifiable trash for specific reasons.
Gonz's art reminds me of the one or two people who had already developed a personal art brand (because they literally didn't have the skill set to do any other type of art) and interjected it into every assignment and every project even to their own detriment.
I would imagine there's a chance gonz never had to sit through a heavy critique and get gutted in order to grow as an artist. The faux outsider art aesthetic is pretty easy to replicate. Kids could draw a gonz graphic and it'd be more impressive because their fine motor skills aren't fully developed.
He's also pretty derivative. I can probably guess his biggest influences.
This sounds like something someone who makes objectively bad art would say
Never claimed to be an artist, but I saw a lot of people in college who made it their entire identity and are exactly like who I'm describing. I'm more into scratch building realistic looking models of buildings etc which is in itself derivative. So I know it when I see it haha.
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It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
Sometimes this rule doesn't apply at all and it is in fact trash. People like to act like art has no parameters but that's just wholly incorrect a lot of the time. I sat through four years of dozens of critiques of myself and others in art school and there was plenty of verifiable trash for specific reasons.
Gonz's art reminds me of the one or two people who had already developed a personal art brand (because they literally didn't have the skill set to do any other type of art) and interjected it into every assignment and every project even to their own detriment.
I would imagine there's a chance gonz never had to sit through a heavy critique and get gutted in order to grow as an artist. The faux outsider art aesthetic is pretty easy to replicate. Kids could draw a gonz graphic and it'd be more impressive because their fine motor skills aren't fully developed.
He's also pretty derivative. I can probably guess his biggest influences. All that said, his skating is pretty sick and that's art of his I appreciate as wholly original and not really replicable. It's interesting how his art on paper is very derivative, but meanwhile there is an entire age group of skaters who never developed their own style because they're a derivative of MG.
I share the same point of view.
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https://youtu.be/E_PnuXelvWA
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Message from Mark
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I feel like gonz art is supposed to annoy you. His whole persona is kinda a fuck you. I personally love gonz art and my favorite deck in my collection is the krooked trainwreck guest model. I wouldn’t trade it for even a lennie Kirk graphic mainly because it’s also signed by gonz and trainwreck.
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art is art, stick to yo opinons boi
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Kind of, yeah. Some of his skate graphics are cool but I’m not going to a gallery show. That skate exhibit he did was stupid and pretentious.
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It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
Sometimes this rule doesn't apply at all and it is in fact trash. People like to act like art has no parameters but that's just wholly incorrect a lot of the time. I sat through four years of dozens of critiques of myself and others in art school and there was plenty of verifiable trash for specific reasons.
Gonz's art reminds me of the one or two people who had already developed a personal art brand (because they literally didn't have the skill set to do any other type of art) and interjected it into every assignment and every project even to their own detriment.
I would imagine there's a chance gonz never had to sit through a heavy critique and get gutted in order to grow as an artist. The faux outsider art aesthetic is pretty easy to replicate. Kids could draw a gonz graphic and it'd be more impressive because their fine motor skills aren't fully developed.
He's also pretty derivative. I can probably guess his biggest influences. All that said, his skating is pretty sick and that's art of his I appreciate as wholly original and not really replicable. It's interesting how his art on paper is very derivative, but meanwhile there is an entire age group of skaters who never developed their own style because they're a derivative of MG.
I'm very curious to see what contemporary artists you'd say were entirely singular and without significant influence.
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Mark is like 67.8% art.
If someone was like Mark Aloysius Lennon Gonzales invented the skatebloard. I'd be ok with that. Even though I found out who actually invented the skatebloard here on slap few years back.
The rewrite is fine. I'mma run it see what happens.
Mark Aloysius Lennon Gonzales invented skatebloards in the 1930s
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Do you know about Hamparte? Maybe his work could be considered Hamparte? https://fahrenheitmagazine.com/en/modern-art/plastics/the-definition-of-hamparte-the-art-of-not-having-talent
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some sick stuff here
https://runningtimelab.fr/2016/01/15/44-2/ (https://runningtimelab.fr/2016/01/15/44-2/)
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It means that everyone can have their own opinion on it because there is no absolute truth. You can say "to me this art is trash" but you can't state factually that it is trash because it is not measurable.
Like you could say "this coffee is 130°F", that could be an objective fact. But saying "this coffee is too hot" is subjective.
Personally I have always like the Krooked art style, and it was an influence on me as a teen.
I would never try to convince someone to like some art. It's like trying to convince someone to like a band or genre. People like what the like, and you're not going to reason someone into liking blast beats or something if it's not for them.
Sometimes this rule doesn't apply at all and it is in fact trash. People like to act like art has no parameters but that's just wholly incorrect a lot of the time. I sat through four years of dozens of critiques of myself and others in art school and there was plenty of verifiable trash for specific reasons.
Gonz's art reminds me of the one or two people who had already developed a personal art brand (because they literally didn't have the skill set to do any other type of art) and interjected it into every assignment and every project even to their own detriment.
I would imagine there's a chance gonz never had to sit through a heavy critique and get gutted in order to grow as an artist. The faux outsider art aesthetic is pretty easy to replicate. Kids could draw a gonz graphic and it'd be more impressive because their fine motor skills aren't fully developed.
He's also pretty derivative. I can probably guess his biggest influences. All that said, his skating is pretty sick and that's art of his I appreciate as wholly original and not really replicable. It's interesting how his art on paper is very derivative, but meanwhile there is an entire age group of skaters who never developed their own style because they're a derivative of MG.
I'm very curious to see what contemporary artists you'd say were entirely singular and without significant influence.
None obv, tho some are more original than others. With a skateboard as a medium I'd say he's pretty singular.
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I think every one of us can replicate the majority of Gonz’s “art”. That says alot.
Kinda true...
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more of an appleyard fan myself, he paints from the soul <3
(https://i.imgur.com/c60S0qr.png)
yeah i agree, marks art is funny in innocent way, i couldnt replecate that, but i can draw , the 9club mug made me laugh out loud
as per Gonz, you could name it trash, in graffiti theres also a style called trash, people hate it cuz they dont get it, its more liberating, playful, funny, wierd, original. Are Gonz art all those things? one can argue, i find nothing interesting in most of it, but guys pumping out so much, it maybe shouldnt be placed on pedestal in gallery?
altho i like this one, i dont know whats it about but it made me laugh
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2159qcJ/Untitled.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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a lot of you saying ''i could make that'' or ''it looks like something he drew with his ass on toilet paper''
its true, but you're not him, you didn't do it first, and you don't have a vehicle like krooked to get it out there
seems more like jealousy that your turds aint receiving the same polish!
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Sometimes his art works as intended and sometimes I think Frog is a parody of Krooked.
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The concept of "art" has been debated since Plato (and before). Glad to see some dudes on a skateboard forum have finally resolved the matter. :)
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Sometimes his art works as intended and sometimes I think Frog is a parody of Krooked.
Frog is more krooked than krooked
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Not gonna try change your mind because it’s hard to control what someone thinks 🤷🏻♂️
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post an artwork fucboi
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Sometimes his art works as intended and sometimes I think Frog is a parody of Krooked.
Frog is keropi
I think lance is the origin maybe
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The concept of "art" has been debated since Plato (and before). Glad to see some dudes on a skateboard forum have finally resolved the matter. :)
Everyone should be encouraged to enjoy and discuss art.
Sorry we can't all be Plato I guess
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post an artwork fucboi
Skateboarding: the only activity where ppl act like you have to be able to perform at a professional level to be critical of anything pertaining to it.
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his art sucks but its better than graffiti, graffiti is the worst
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i think marks performance in this video proves he has more going on in his head than just some dude who scribbles down thoughtlessly in a notebook and built a career around it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTzEp4CeWT8&ab_channel=audiobee
on a side note, what was the first time skateboarding was in a museum/fine art world?
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i think marks performance in this video proves he has more going on in his head than just some dude who scribbles down thoughtlessly in a notebook and built a career around it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTzEp4CeWT8&ab_channel=audiobee
on a side note, what was the first time skateboarding was in a museum/fine art world?
Ive never watched that before just now and improved the quality of my night. Thanks for posting
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i think marks performance in this video proves he has more going on in his head than just some dude who scribbles down thoughtlessly in a notebook and built a career around it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTzEp4CeWT8&ab_channel=audiobee
on a side note, what was the first time skateboarding was in a museum/fine art world?
Jason Schwartzman is pretty wildly talented.
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Few people have won at life as hard as Gonz. Richard Feynman, Larry David, Michael Haneke, Bjork, Godard, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Thomas Ruff. These people, all geniuses, are/were leaders not followers. Gonz isn't so much a genius as a saint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=oX4IgLwoq7E&feature=youtu.be
(Sorry, I can never fucking embed)
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his art sucks but its better than graffiti, graffiti is the worst
You are entitled to keep your opinion. But graffiti rules.
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Gonz and Feynman in the same sentence, now there's an NBD...
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Damn it’s crazy that all the inbred cannibals from the wrong turn movies started slap accounts and are arguing over gonz art now on here.
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The concept of "art" has been debated since Plato (and before). Glad to see some dudes on a skateboard forum have finally resolved the matter. :)
Everyone should be encouraged to enjoy and discuss art.
Sorry we can't all be Plato I guess
"Plato was a bore." -Neichze
:)
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Ron Chatpman is a better cartoonist than Gonz who jacked is line back in the days.
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Ron Chatpman is a better cartoonist than Gonz who jacked is line back in the days.
Yeah I've always felt like Gonz jacked is line.
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Ron Chatpman is a better cartoonist than Gonz who jacked is line back in the days.
Yeah I've always felt like Gonz jacked is line.
Probably the most jacked is line of all time
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Ron Chatpman is a better cartoonist than Gonz who jacked is line back in the days.
The voice of reason has entered the chatp...
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It's futile to try to change someones mind on art. That is what art is for
I made this a long time ago and it still hangs in my bathroom. It's a one off but I would of gladly paid DLX if they made it or something else similar. This is an old Real graphic but Krooked would make a killing if they got into the affordable houseware game.
(https://i.imgur.com/YmRqIfZ.jpg)
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i’m 32 years old. I understand some of you guys in your 40s that grew up watching Gonz will inevitably support anything he does but jesus christ his art is so cringe.
No, I'm in your camp. His skating is goat, though.
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Ron Chatpman is a better cartoonist than Gonz who jacked is line back in the days.
Ron ChatGPTman?
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You spelled 'Bobby Puleo' wrong, but ok....
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You spelled 'Bobby Puleo' wrong, but ok....
Is that the guy who's still drawing leaves an' shit?
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You spelled 'Bobby Puleo' wrong, but ok....
Is that the guy who's still drawing leaves an' shit?
He makes art pieces out of literal pieces of trash he finds on the ground. I think Skate Jawn or Jenkem did a video following him around a while back. I'm not really familiar with any of his other work.
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Been lurking for years but joined for this thread.
I agree that his art is primitive and childish BUT I can instantly recall a lot of his work. This tells me it's impactful and possibly iconic, at least in our world.
As far as his skating, Mark was one of first to skate rails and huge gaps, on he did it on huge boards with no noses. He was a consistent street innovator, he pushed hard for modern board shapes, and he also has serious vert skills. His contributions can't be discounted - we've ALL been influenced by him.
I completely agree that the outsized worship (Gonzitis) is very annoying. Truth is, his prime was probably 1985-1987. By 1988 the H-Street ams like Ray Simmonds and Ocean Howell were arguably more advanced.
He reputation as an irritating man-child is probably well-deserved, but at least he's himself and always has been like that.
His uncompromising individualism and innovation, however crude and sketchy it may be, is the essence of skateboarding. This is why I believe he is so celebrated to this day.
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I watch this a lot, especially love the line on the vert ramp at the end ~8:20 mark. Fantastic skateboarder. I think it's funny that people get mad at art that they perceive as "childish." That's kind of the point, at least in part lol.
http://youtu.be/Pk3ASOuZwXk
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Ron Chatpman is a better cartoonist than Gonz who jacked is line back in the days.
Ron ChatGPTman?
hahaha!Well you got me:)
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I always felt his art was simplistic and childish. Pretty much crap to me. I'm honestly irked that the art world gives him so much praise and his work commands high dollars. His art has barely evolved in 30 years! He's made a career by fooling everyone. With all that said... his skating is overrated too. He comes from an era where style was everything and the dude lacks that as well. The dude is a self aware caricature of himself.
Exactly. He is almost become a parody of himself in a way.
Curious to know what you think is "good" art?
RETNA, Spy, Banksy are all crushing it
retna is an OG from my city and on MSK crew - he fucks with Louis Vuitton , don’t play yourself girl
people watch exit through the gift shop one time and don’t know how to act ::)
here’s some better ones ya bish
style wars (had to)
Infamy
Wild style
Men in black 1/2/3
Dirty hands 1/2/3
Bomb it
Getting up
Piece by piece
State your name
Area08
Sly artistic city
Kings and toys
Stockholm subway stories
Stockholm live
(https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy/ws-lawrencealkin/usr/library/main/images/biber.jpg)
LMAO thank you ultra karen