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Title: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on April 08, 2020, 04:50:05 AM
A few months ago they repaved my neighborhood and itís a super smooth ride now. Iíve just been trying to cruise around switch and get a good switch push going. If I get my front foot position just right then I can fly around, but if itís off a tiny bit then itís a total disaster. Doing a revert and getting a strong switch push in right after is an amazing feeling. I can do some tail scraps, hopefully a strong ollie by the end of summer.

What about you?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: no name cargos plug on April 08, 2020, 07:51:31 AM
Bs 360s. Might as well be rocket science ffs :-\
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Post by: graypubes on April 08, 2020, 08:31:34 AM
Half cab heel. I got the rotation but I can't catch em right.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: kook1234 on April 08, 2020, 10:17:37 AM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 08, 2020, 11:00:03 AM
I'm old and trying to relearn some flip tricks as all I can skate during lockdown is flat and curbs...

So...

Half cab flips and nollie varial flips (ugly, I know,  but used to be one of my go tos)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 08, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Also been working on flat ground and slappies when that gets old. I want to be able to do a Str8 8 consistently. Also trying to relearn switch BS 50-50ís, 5-0ís and NGs. Used to be able to do them but never comfortably or consistently.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sketchyrider on April 08, 2020, 12:43:49 PM
would like to 360 flip before im 30 got about a year left. feeling confident about it though.

frontside axle stalls, going back in is scary.

finally ollieing into a manual, i mean i can do it but man does it need improvement.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: zumiezemployeeofthemonth on April 08, 2020, 02:49:46 PM
switch. so basically learning how to skate all over again
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Brguy on April 08, 2020, 11:15:48 PM
Twist my ankle a while back so trying switch/nollie too. Got Nollie fs 180s pretty good, even better than regular nollies.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on April 09, 2020, 01:18:49 AM
Half cab noseslide to bs tailslide. I just need to slide the bs tail fully before I count it as legit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 09, 2020, 01:27:15 AM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/

What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: kook1234 on April 09, 2020, 09:17:20 AM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. Iíve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 09, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/

If you can ollie to wheelie, a fs 5-0 is the same. Just a bit more pressure on the back foot. Try it the end of a ledge. I suck at ledges but I can get short 5-0s sometimes.

I struggle with varial heels, I land 1 out of 20. Makes no sense to me since heelflips and fs shoves are my go to tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. Iíve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(

Make sure you rocket your ollie, you don't wanna do a leveled out ollie then put your tail down but rather just do a rocket ollie straight into the 5-0 position.

I finally learnt fucking switch and nollie flips after so long. Trying to get the flick proper before I work on getting them every try. Nollie fs, and sw bs flips to a lesser extent are also coming along as a result.

On ledges, mostly regs and switch back tails, and regs and switch back smith pop out in the middle of the ledge. And also trying to improve the form and pop out on my pinchy grinds (crooked variations and 180 fakie nosegrind variations).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ihatejulio on April 09, 2020, 09:10:50 PM
Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MadeYouLook on April 09, 2020, 10:29:22 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. Iíve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(
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Make sure you rocket your ollie, you don't wanna do a leveled out ollie then put your tail down but rather just do a rocket ollie straight into the 5-0 position.

I finally learnt fucking switch and nollie flips after so long. Trying to get the flick proper before I work on getting them every try. Nollie fs, and sw bs flips to a lesser extent are also coming along as a result.

On ledges, mostly regs and switch back tails, and regs and switch back smith pop out in the middle of the ledge. And also trying to improve the form and pop out on my pinchy grinds (crooked variations and 180 fakie nosegrind variations).

Did you get your switch ollie and nollies good before you added the flip?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 11:14:13 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. Iíve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(
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Make sure you rocket your ollie, you don't wanna do a leveled out ollie then put your tail down but rather just do a rocket ollie straight into the 5-0 position.

I finally learnt fucking switch and nollie flips after so long. Trying to get the flick proper before I work on getting them every try. Nollie fs, and sw bs flips to a lesser extent are also coming along as a result.

On ledges, mostly regs and switch back tails, and regs and switch back smith pop out in the middle of the ledge. And also trying to improve the form and pop out on my pinchy grinds (crooked variations and 180 fakie nosegrind variations).
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Did you get your switch ollie and nollies good before you added the flip?

Definitely, I'm pretty comfortable skating switch in general. Its just that the switch kickflip flick just felt so strange for the longest time. What helped was to get good at flipping the board halfway and landing upside down consistently... from there its just a matter of flicking harder or jumping higher. Much better than flipping the board fully and landing with only one foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 10, 2020, 01:56:36 AM
Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?

Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 10, 2020, 07:11:56 AM
Never really did any nollie tricks so Iíve been trying a few inbetween other stuff on flat. Want a good nollie 180 but itís going to just take a while to figure out
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 10, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Never really did any nollie tricks so Iíve been trying a few inbetween other stuff on flat. Want a good nollie 180 but itís going to just take a while to figure out

My Nollie FS 180 is shit, BS is way worse, I really regret not putting more effort into learning Nollie and Switch in my youth.

There's not much going on right now and I found a little curb area near my home. I'm going to work on stalling BS Lipslides on low curbs, hopefully it translates into finally getting the slide when the lockdown is lifted.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ihatejulio on April 10, 2020, 10:11:56 AM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.

Great stuff, thanks a ton. I also bookmarked what you said about impossibles in the other basic tricks thread. Your descriptions are on point.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on April 10, 2020, 11:53:12 AM
FS 360 shuvs. Landed a few before but it's a real tough one to get down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Shalom Peterson on April 10, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
No Comply FS Shuv to BS Blunt on a curb. It seems like a circus trick to me at this point but Iíve got it twice, just with no slide distance.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 10, 2020, 01:29:46 PM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.
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Great stuff, thanks a ton. I also bookmarked what you said about impossibles in the other basic tricks thread. Your descriptions are on point.
Yeah thanks, that was helpful for me too, especially the part about keeping the tension up. They wrapped pretty easily so I think I must have gotten close or done a putt-putt one in the past. Changed decks/woodshops and lost em again, something to work on this month..

How about pointers for NOT one-footing back 3's? Do you gotta pop a lil more? Scoop less?
I'll like all scoop and it feels like my front foot has nothing to grip to.
I also get dizzy if I flail a few but don't if I land them. Never understood why.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on April 10, 2020, 04:19:26 PM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: truthislie on April 11, 2020, 01:09:10 AM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.

I also need to ask for advice on that one since I have been trying it on and off for years now. I feel like I can turn my board and my upper body well, but I always end up with my feet parallel to each other (one on the board, one off the board next to it). Any ideas on how to fix this?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 11, 2020, 02:54:13 AM
How about pointers for NOT one-footing back 3's? Do you gotta pop a lil more? Scoop less?
I'll like all scoop and it feels like my front foot has nothing to grip to.
I also get dizzy if I flail a few but don't if I land them. Never understood why.

Sounds like we do our back 3's about the same, all scoop and automatic one-foot (the classic way, not the exaggerated way kids are doing) so I'm not going to be able to help much there. I actually love doing them like that on flat but the downside is I can't really do them down shit with this technique (yet - I haven't tried in ages actually), because of how it's all scoop the board usually ends up leaving my feet from the extra height and continuing for a solo 540 that's impossible to land on. Also the dizziness thing is real! That's my first time reading someone else describe it so well. My guess is that's because when you're in control of the trick you actually know what you're doing, where to look and thus it's one continuous motion, whereas if you're not focused on a specific reference point, just the motion itself is going to be just one silly jump?

You're probably onto something with the more pop and less scoop for the snowboard-style back 3's, that type of control on caballerials on flat has a lot to do with the positioning of the popping foot or so I find, but on a back 3 you're working against the momentum, not with it, which is harder and I couldn't really see popping a back 3 from the same, more comfortable position I use for cabs, big toe in the middle of the tail and all when I gotta use the extra scoop to get the regs counterpart working.

truthislie sounds like the common problem of being scared to commit/land since it's such a blind trick at first. Honestly can't blame you for being normal as landing a bit short then brutally slipping out the wrong way (with all your momentum from the wind-up) on that trick is very much a thing learning it - in a way that's its main trial by fire. I remember a few years ago my back 3's had gotten rusty but I got them back super quick by pretending I was doing backside 360 step hops (which are really simple to me) without putting my foot down, if you've got those good then throwing yourself into and staying over a back 3 is the exact same, so usually I'll just pretend I'm doing the step hop one but brain fart on purpose when the time comes to put the foot down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 11, 2020, 07:05:00 AM
switch lazers cuz im kooky as fuck and only care about winning games of skate
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 11, 2020, 07:34:19 AM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated

If you can find a rounded ledge itís easier. But get into the 5-0 locked in as far to your heel side wheel as you can. Grind a bit and kind of lift up and turn at the same time kinda pointing into the ledge with your back foot. Hope that helps. I havenít done that trick in a long ass time.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 11, 2020, 08:09:57 AM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. Iíve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(

Have the same problem but only on higher ledges, small ones i can do them, on the higher i have the exakt same problem as you how much i even try, i think i mayby once or twice got up a real fivo and slided a bit.

But what i most want is bs 50. Just before my big break i was able to come up bs 50 down a 3 stair ledge. Not that high i just thought it was easier down there than doing flat bs 50 50 on curb. I never really did that bs 50 i had been longing for years. And then when i had it in my hand i stopped. (Gonna be honest, Drugs were involved and also work) Last summer coming back from the big break after wrecking myself as hell shit finally came back. To my suprise i could do bs 5050 on medium high ledge almost better than fs. But Trying bs 50 i usally try on the samller ones and i just land bs feeble or bs 5050.

Also bs feeble is one of my tricks i really want, but somehow i feel the angle coming up against a rail feel so uncomfy and result max in a boardslide.

Before the break when i did 50-50 up rails i landed once perfect fs feeble but didnt make it, same when i did bs 50 50 up a rail i landed mayby 1 or 2 times in a bs feeble. I have done fs feeble once when i was in Australia, didnt bring my board but my skate abstinens went overboard bought a whole new one. And on a parking lot there was like a perfect curb i was gonna do a 50 50, landed super clean fs feeble and even popped out of it at the end. WOW that day i was HIGH as FUCK, on skateboarding ofcourse.

Wish Sweden were more like US and AU, more concrete and many sidewalks are perfect small curbs. There are so much things that are perfect for skateboarding. Even AU have those nice mellow sidewalks and some on the parking lot were i did my fs feeble were like a D and i grinded the straight bit and popped off before the D would stop me (No pun intended)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: truthislie on April 11, 2020, 08:44:03 AM
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How about pointers for NOT one-footing back 3's? Do you gotta pop a lil more? Scoop less?
I'll like all scoop and it feels like my front foot has nothing to grip to.
I also get dizzy if I flail a few but don't if I land them. Never understood why.
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truthislie sounds like the common problem of being scared to commit/land since it's such a blind trick at first. Honestly can't blame you for being normal as landing a bit short then brutally slipping out the wrong way (with all your momentum from the wind-up) on that trick is very much a thing learning it - in a way that's its main trial by fire. I remember a few years ago my back 3's had gotten rusty but I got them back super quick by pretending I was doing backside 360 step hops (which are really simple to me) without putting my foot down, if you've got those good then throwing yourself into and staying over a back 3 is the exact same, so usually I'll just pretend I'm doing the step hop one but brain fart on purpose when the time comes to put the foot down.

Thanks man. Itīs probably the committing thing. I can do the stephop/no comply variation pretty easily as too. Itīs so fucked, there are some tricks I have been trying for years and Iīm so close (sometimes even land them, but hever "have" them) but have trouble committing. Moving out of my comfort zone at 36 is pretty hard I guess... That said when I do learn something else it feels like christmas.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated
Best advice I can give is just don't. Don't do "truck-to-truck" grinds. Future you will thank me later.
If you need to fill that void do fs 5-0 to noseslide.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
Do you scoop your ollie like a lazy, early-90's bs 180? Almost guaranteed to goto fakie that way.
Pop and shifty, don't turn your shoulders, twisted at the hips/waist is what works for me. Def keep your shoulders parallel to the ledge and your direction of travel.
Seen the old Natas parts where he does bs 180 tailstalls on a curb? Do that and then work on going it 90* with a kickturn off. Don't worry too much about the slide; shifty, set your tail on there, kickturn.. Can jam it in if the curb/ledge isn't slick.
Once that motion feels comfortable give it some more speed and try pushing a lil when you're standing on it. A little if it's a slick ledge.
If your baseplate is grinding then you're locked in right.
Watching Lotti's evolution would probably be good. In Shackle Me Not he's skating a ledge by the beach, does bs 180 tail shuv out. And in Now n Later he does kf backtail fakie, right?
I'm trying to think of early vids. Hensley.. jlee video days..
SHEFFEY soldiers story..
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 11, 2020, 11:54:41 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Do you scoop your ollie like a lazy, early-90's bs 180? Almost guaranteed to goto fakie that way.
Pop and shifty, don't turn your shoulders, twisted at the hips/waist is what works for me. Def keep your shoulders parallel to the ledge and your direction of travel.
Seen the old Natas parts where he does bs 180 tailstalls on a curb? Do that and then work on going it 90* with a kickturn off. Don't worry too much about the slide; shifty, set your tail on there, kickturn.. Can jam it in if the curb/ledge isn't slick.
Once that motion feels comfortable give it some more speed and try pushing a lil when you're standing on it. A little if it's a slick ledge.
If your baseplate is grinding then you're locked in right.
Watching Lotti's evolution would probably be good. In Shackle Me Not he's skating a ledge by the beach, does bs 180 tail shuv out. And in Now n Later he does kf backtail fakie, right?
I'm trying to think of early vids. Hensley.. jlee video days..
SHEFFEY soldiers story..

Thanks I'll check those out later, keep trying to get out for a morning session but can't get my ass out of bed. I'll head out later to skate the curb later and try this.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 12, 2020, 12:15:24 AM
So I am by no means a back tail expert, but when I first learned them I could also only do them to fakie and couldn't do them to regs for shit... now its harder to fakie.

I think the reason it worked to fakie was because I would turn my whole body kind of like a full back 180 in order to get the tail on and to slide properly instead of doing the torqued out back tail "body language" and coming back out to regular. When I tried them out to regular I either couldn't get it to slide or I wouldn't be able to fully get my tail on.

What helped me fix that was to have your shoulders, head and upper body a bit more 'pre-turned' before getting into the back tail to regs, so that my upper body would have to turn less after popping and it was more on my lower body to get in the back tail. This is harder in the sense that you're more blind to the ledge when rolling up but if you do it properly it feels a bit less twisty on your back and legs since your upper body is already turned a little bit (its not actually turned that much, but since for most people they still look at the ledge when they roll up, closing the shoulders off a bit more like this feels like you're a bit more pre-turned)... not sure if this makes sense but if it does maybe it could help.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 12, 2020, 12:34:57 AM
So I am by no means a back tail expert, but when I first learned them I could also only do them to fakie and couldn't do them to regs for shit... now its harder to fakie.

I think the reason it worked to fakie was because I would turn my whole body kind of like a full back 180 in order to get the tail on and to slide properly instead of doing the torqued out back tail "body language" and coming back out to regular. When I tried them out to regular I either couldn't get it to slide or I wouldn't be able to fully get my tail on.

What helped me fix that was to have your shoulders, head and upper body a bit more 'pre-turned' before getting into the back tail to regs, so that my upper body would have to turn less after popping and it was more on my lower body to get in the back tail. This is harder in the sense that you're more blind to the ledge when rolling up but if you do it properly it feels a bit less twisty on your back and legs since your upper body is already turned a little bit (its not actually turned that much, but since for most people they still look at the ledge when they roll up, closing the shoulders off a bit more like this feels like you're a bit more pre-turned)... not sure if this makes sense but if it does maybe it could help.

Strangely I've had a friend give me that same advice, pre-turn your shoulders so your lower body rotates less to get into the slide. I've tried riding more parallel to the ledge but that makes the lock-in much harder and I end up sticking and not sliding.

There was a brief window of a week when I could do the regular and fakie on command, that mostly revolved around telling myself to ride more parallel and rotate my lower body less.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 12, 2020, 12:43:18 AM
I feel that, going parallel and pre-turning the shoulders makes it much more awkward to roll up to and as a result often harder to lock. Once I overcame that awkward feeling and got the hang of it it overall worked out better for sure. But after neglecting back tails for a few weeks not long ago I kinda lost the feeling again lol
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Weezil on April 12, 2020, 12:48:30 AM
trying to get fs slappys super consistent so I can get into fs slappy crooks.

also 360 flips, super inconsistent, made a 2020 goal to tighten them up and still haven't done it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tom on April 12, 2020, 01:12:54 AM
I want to re-learn backtails too. I never really had a good one to begin with. I think my natural duck-footed standing stance tends to help me naturally turn frontside while making backside tricks harder. Iíve been sizing up my couch though and I feel like i could do them if I were rolling up to a ledge. I just avoid trying them because I know Iím going to slip out and body slam the ground/almost smack my face on the ground
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 12, 2020, 01:19:55 AM
trying to learn how to use the internet without getting multiple accounts banned. don't see ever happening though honestly
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 12, 2020, 01:20:42 AM
even if I was admin on my own site I'd be banned at least 60% of the time
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 12, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
Thanks man. Itīs probably the committing thing. I can do the stephop/no comply variation pretty easily as too. Itīs so fucked, there are some tricks I have been trying for years and Iīm so close (sometimes even land them, but hever "have" them) but have trouble committing. Moving out of my comfort zone at 36 is pretty hard I guess... That said when I do learn something else it feels like christmas.

I'm the same when it comes to the comfort zone, I regularly try to leave mine as though to prove myself that I can still learn new stuff despite getting older (and from time to time I manage to, which is all the more satisfying, like you said), but I also tend to find myself repeating the shit that's always felt good because I guess it's the most natural thing to do, funny how it all works. Nah if you've got the step hop one down you've got this one too, it's really just the same. Maybe pretend you're going for a backside 360 powerslide from the proper positioning with the big toe hanging off the tail but pop while you scoop and jump with it with the same momentum and force you'd use on the step hop? If you can do those 360 powerslide things and basically think of back 3's as the same type of motion just all in the air, maybe you'll feel more comfortable staying over the board the whole way through, if you remember to scrape and guide that tail around like an impossible there's no way you can lose control over it because it will just be attached to that toe.

Also although I think it should be a given, looking back in the direction you're about to spin before you even pop is key, as you're supposed to be ahead of the trick and lead it, not let it get ahead of you while you try to stomp it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 13, 2020, 12:22:38 AM
I stumbled across a great backtail example, good camera angle too.
Watch how his shoulders never turn, really that's perfect form, just proper...
That's what I mean by shiftying. If you get your shoulders 90* to the ledge (parallel with your board) then your body is gonna wanna go fakie and you gotta fight it back.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmp2lucHInM


This made so many 80's kids wanna learn back tails..
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECeSIga1Ukk
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 12:43:12 AM
Why cant i do 3 flip not even the flip with harder trucks? Not even hard trucks, but the harder they are the more impossible it feels to not just get an 360 shuv. When i could do them before my big break i skated super loose Thunders. And now i want more stability but still loose, but when i tighten them past a point i cant make the flip. If i loosen them i can do the flip perfect and land with one foot for example, last summer i landed often on them. But was a bit frustrated cuz i wanted to go just a little tighter for my other tricks was much better with no to loose. And then i cant do the flip even trying to just to the flip and land one foot. I just becomes a 3 shuv. If i commit doing exactly as i done before its scary cuz in my mind i feel its gonna 3 flip but it just 3 shuvs. Anyone got any tips? Imagine stone hard board doing a 3 flip on that, that mayby help me found out the problem. I ride loose trucks so its so weird.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 13, 2020, 02:17:54 AM
Why cant i do 3 flip not even the flip with harder trucks? Not even hard trucks, but the harder they are the more impossible it feels to not just get an 360 shuv. When i could do them before my big break i skated super loose Thunders. And now i want more stability but still loose, but when i tighten them past a point i cant make the flip. If i loosen them i can do the flip perfect and land with one foot for example, last summer i landed often on them. But was a bit frustrated cuz i wanted to go just a little tighter for my other tricks was much better with no to loose. And then i cant do the flip even trying to just to the flip and land one foot. I just becomes a 3 shuv. If i commit doing exactly as i done before its scary cuz in my mind i feel its gonna 3 flip but it just 3 shuvs. Anyone got any tips? Imagine stone hard board doing a 3 flip on that, that mayby help me found out the problem. I ride loose trucks so its so weird.

8 inch board with tight trucks is going to be easier to 3flip on than a wide board with loose trucks if being cool is your priority try making shit loads of money instead of worrying about your treflip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on April 13, 2020, 02:46:10 AM
I've been trying to fuck around with noseblunts. Ive done a few fs noseblunt slides on banks but i never learned how to do them on ledges or stalled on QPs. i did manage to noseblunt to fakie on a parking curb the other day so thats a good start. i need to try to get into a few backside on transition, no idea how to pop in from that one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 04:28:03 AM
I've been trying to fuck around with noseblunts. Ive done a few fs noseblunt slides on banks but i never learned how to do them on ledges or stalled on QPs. i did manage to noseblunt to fakie on a parking curb the other day so thats a good start. i need to try to get into a few backside on transition, no idea how to pop in from that one.

Na man dont take it like that, being cool has nothing to do with it, its all about the trick. Mayby it was a little cool factor when i was at the top of my skating but more so a thing for loose trucks. Me and my friend kinda got addicted to riding looser and looser cuz it felt better in many ways, not only the 3 flips. But now im older and that loose truck obssesion is gone.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on April 13, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
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I've been trying to fuck around with noseblunts. Ive done a few fs noseblunt slides on banks but i never learned how to do them on ledges or stalled on QPs. i did manage to noseblunt to fakie on a parking curb the other day so thats a good start. i need to try to get into a few backside on transition, no idea how to pop in from that one.
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Na man dont take it like that, being cool has nothing to do with it, its all about the trick. Mayby it was a little cool factor when i was at the top of my skating but more so a thing for loose trucks. Me and my friend kinda got addicted to riding looser and looser cuz it felt better in many ways, not only the 3 flips. But now im older and that loose truck obssesion is gone.
I think you quoted the wrong guy, my guy
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 05:01:03 AM
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Why cant i do 3 flip not even the flip with harder trucks? Not even hard trucks, but the harder they are the more impossible it feels to not just get an 360 shuv. When i could do them before my big break i skated super loose Thunders. And now i want more stability but still loose, but when i tighten them past a point i cant make the flip. If i loosen them i can do the flip perfect and land with one foot for example, last summer i landed often on them. But was a bit frustrated cuz i wanted to go just a little tighter for my other tricks was much better with no to loose. And then i cant do the flip even trying to just to the flip and land one foot. I just becomes a 3 shuv. If i commit doing exactly as i done before its scary cuz in my mind i feel its gonna 3 flip but it just 3 shuvs. Anyone got any tips? Imagine stone hard board doing a 3 flip on that, that mayby help me found out the problem. I ride loose trucks so its so weird.
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8 inch board with tight trucks is going to be easier to 3flip on than a wide board with loose trucks if being cool is your priority try making shit loads of money instead of worrying about your treflip

Sorry MOE SYZLAK   ;D

Na man dont take it like that, being cool has nothing to do with it, its all about the trick. Mayby it was a little cool factor when i was at the top of my skating but more so a thing for loose trucks. Me and my friend kinda got addicted to riding looser and looser cuz it felt better in many ways, not only the 3 flips. But now im older and that loose truck obssesion is gone.

And also, it dosent matter if i got 8 board and 8 trucks same thing applies. Now got just 8.125, so its no big difference, you dont get the picture and you dont want to, so just dont reply then, if you just gonna show how big slapmagazine dick you have.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on April 13, 2020, 07:51:29 AM
Front blunts. Fairly consistent at popping on the rail but I either don't commit to the slide or I end up sliding off to fakie before I can slide.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 13, 2020, 09:16:19 AM
lmao at moe getting hit in the crossfire
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tom on April 14, 2020, 04:08:35 PM
I took your guysí advice with the shoulders, but tried it with back 180 nosegrinds. I flailed some to get the feeling of 180-ing into a fakie nosegrind, but I started rolling away from them within a few tries of learning how to pinch the grind. It was a pretty easy trick to figure out. I did some with a switch fs 180 out too and was surprised that the trick kind of whips you around to make it easier. I canít believe I was scared to commit to that one for so long for no real reason
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Vintagebody on April 16, 2020, 08:18:08 AM
I just plain suck at nose manuals, and it really annoys me. I spent 1 hour trying to nose manny a pad, and only landed 2 times of like... 20+ tries... Tips?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: behavioralguide on April 16, 2020, 12:26:31 PM
Lean forward (more)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
I just plain suck at nose manuals, and it really annoys me. I spent 1 hour trying to nose manny a pad, and only landed 2 times of like... 20+ tries... Tips?

Control the height of your pop, I like to think of it less like popping an ollie into a nose manual, rather lifting my nose up high enough so I can place it gently on the manual pad and balance it out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skatefresh on April 16, 2020, 09:42:03 PM
I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 09:44:10 PM
I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.

What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skatefresh on April 16, 2020, 09:50:14 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.

if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2020, 10:49:06 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.

I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 11:30:21 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
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I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.

The rotation for backside flip should be solely from the shoulders turning and from flicking straight off the nose which 'folds' the rotation kinda. You can scoop if you want but the best backside flips are definitely popped not scooped. Wish I could fs flip lol.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skatefresh on April 17, 2020, 05:09:49 AM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
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I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.
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The rotation for backside flip should be solely from the shoulders turning and from flicking straight off the nose which 'folds' the rotation kinda. You can scoop if you want but the best backside flips are definitely popped not scooped. Wish I could fs flip lol.
Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 17, 2020, 05:22:20 AM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
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I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.
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The rotation for backside flip should be solely from the shoulders turning and from flicking straight off the nose which 'folds' the rotation kinda. You can scoop if you want but the best backside flips are definitely popped not scooped. Wish I could fs flip lol.

My backside flips on anything but banks and whatnot come and go and it's fucking annoying. I've got the mention you describe down fairly well and have my moments where I'm actually semi-good at that trick on flat and down small stuff (it just starts working like a backside ollie then), I've even filmed a few in lines that I thought looked good, but then every once in a while I'll fall into a type of slump where I'll just miss either the folding motion or the catch once every other attempt and earn myself the same shinners always. Seems to be very dependent on the state of my deck, grip tape and back truck (especially worn out pivot cups), so stupid.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 17, 2020, 12:44:24 PM
lol I feel that, mine aren't super on lock either. The feeling of a good one is solidly planted in my mind but still can't reproduce every try
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on April 18, 2020, 03:37:32 AM
Seems like we're all on the same fs/bs flip train. I'm currently working on getting a proper clean bs one, I actually really like how it turns and catches. But sometimes, as Silouhette, my moves are totally off... As for fs flip, It kinda starts nice until the catch where I freeze around 145į with my board/feet too much in front of me and unable to bring it back.

Also working on my nollie cab, It's my go-to trick on pyramid/steep banks and spin it really easily, but never made it properly on flatground. Got some decent ones last week, and watching Bobby de Keiser placement doing it over a trashcan really helps. like using your whole back foot as in a regular nollie position instead of being on your toes like for a nollie fs 180
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tony mugu on April 18, 2020, 09:40:04 AM
I have currently nailed down kickflips to where I can land them backfoot catch whilst moving slowly however before quarantine I was working on some ledge tricks.


I have been stuck for ages on frontside nose slides. I will either have the board flip the fuck out as I try to go into it or if I do lock in itís perfect but I do not slide, itís a stall.

I also have the non moving issue with crooked grinds. I could lock into them but I donít move? Maybe itís a speed thing Iím not sure.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 18, 2020, 11:52:58 AM
What is the secret to sliding long noseslides? Baseplate against the ledge? Baseplate shouldn't get in contact with the ledge? All the weight on the nose?

I always feel like my nose isn't at Proper 90 degree to the ledge and my front toe side wheels stop me and send me flying.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 18, 2020, 02:38:30 PM
I have been stuck for ages on frontside nose slides. I will either have the board flip the fuck out as I try to go into it or if I do lock in itís perfect but I do not slide, itís a stall.

The board flipping the fuck out definitely isn't a common thing I've seen on front noses. Maybe something is wrong with the way you're approaching or ollieing into them? The way I learned them originally, I was just doing front noses with no slide coming from an angle and then gradually worked my way up, now it's one of my favorite tricks. Your front shoulder and hip are supposed to guide an otherwise straight ollie into the position, basically. Then as you lock in you're still mostly perpendicular to the ledge but mostly relying on your hips and back foot to stay in control (for front nose to regs; front nose fakies are completely different and in comparison I'm not a huge fan of doing those at all). It's actually very similar to a front board, just on one end of the board instead of the middle, as far as how it works. Think shifty but extending the motion and getting your nose onto something, then you'll slide for as much as you can keep the momentum by more or less sitting on that front foot till (or most likely, before) you feel like dismounting.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on April 18, 2020, 08:24:30 PM
Want to get my half-cabs higher. What's the trick?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ibuproficient on April 18, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
Deep catch on the back-end. Bend your knees, it will be there.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 19, 2020, 12:19:00 AM
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I have been stuck for ages on frontside nose slides. I will either have the board flip the fuck out as I try to go into it or if I do lock in itís perfect but I do not slide, itís a stall.
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The board flipping the fuck out definitely isn't a common thing I've seen on front noses. Maybe something is wrong with the way you're approaching or ollieing into them? The way I learned them originally, I was just doing front noses with no slide coming from an angle and then gradually worked my way up, now it's one of my favorite tricks. Your front shoulder and hip are supposed to guide an otherwise straight ollie into the position, basically. Then as you lock in you're still mostly perpendicular to the ledge but mostly relying on your hips and back foot to stay in control (for front nose to regs; front nose fakies are completely different and in comparison I'm not a huge fan of doing those at all). It's actually very similar to a front board, just on one end of the board instead of the middle, as far as how it works. Think shifty but extending the motion and getting your nose onto something, then you'll slide for as much as you can keep the momentum by more or less sitting on that front foot till (or most likely, before) you feel like dismounting.

Easy trick to steeze out as well, instant crowd pleaser. I can do them short distances but I have the problem of the board slipping out away from me - either I'm aiming my nose too far ahead (board slips away) or too locking in at too sharp an angle (no slide just stick). Coming off too I just kind of plop off instead of turning off.

Also they suck on low ledges, I love them on medium to medium high ledges when you can really stick you nose into it.

Finally work up the balls to BS Lipslide stall on a low curb, going in at a sharper angle and pointing my shoulders into the curb really helped with the rotation. Holding the position and exiting will be another matter. It feels like I'm locking my board too far ahead of me, like if were on a rail the board would slip right out under me. I've tried aim my board more underneath me instead of ahead, but I end up under-rotating. The dream is to do them like Heath Kirchart, ollie high and parallel to the rail and let the back foot do all the rotation.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Maccat on April 19, 2020, 03:12:58 AM
Fakie Pop Shoves. Used to be able to put em up high, trying to get back there.

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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 19, 2020, 07:11:17 AM
its raining today and im confined to the garage so im trying to get my nollie heels back in prep for learning nollie bs 360 heels which is just for cheesing people in games of skate 0 chance of me ever doing that trick down or over something
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 19, 2020, 09:14:41 AM
Yesterday I was skating a parking lot and there was a tall ledge with just the sliiiiightest angle that I kept trying to wallride. I landed on a few but kept getting wheelbite and not rolling away.


Want to get my half-cabs higher. What's the trick?


For me it helps to really focus on preemptively turning your shoulders so by time you get to about 90 degress in your pop your board is leveled nicely and you can suck it up with you. Sorta the same logic as when people do fakie ollies over something that they usually shifty it. Helps with leverage.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: layzieyez on April 19, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
Can you bone out your ollies? When I had half cabs good, I would pop and as I turned would slightly bone out the first 90 then bring it back in for the other 90.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 19, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Can you bone out your ollies? When I had half cabs good, I would pop and as I turned would slightly bone out the first 90 then bring it back in for the other 90.
Yep. To me it feels like 2 motions but when you see someone do it, it looks more like 1 fluid motion..
You want your board to grip your feet well so you can push it the last 90*.
Lazy's slightly boned out I think of as leveled out, but same thing.. a lil boned out, not totally tweaked..
Once you're 90* and level I think it's just push backside with you back foot as you're pushing down, front foot helps guide it too. Idk... been a while and it's a trick I forget to even do..
If you can if you can pop the fuck outta it then you can really steer it around in the air. Check out Sheffey in Soldiers Story.
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Post by: danmasontree on April 20, 2020, 11:02:45 AM
Fakie Pop Shoves. Used to be able to put em up high, trying to get back there.

Was just talking about this trick with a friend. Underrated trick that looks cool if popped well.
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Post by: danmasontree on April 20, 2020, 11:03:55 AM
I can't 180 no comply anymore for some reason, been trying to learn them again
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Post by: ChuckRamone on April 20, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
backside tailslides, which I've been trying forever, and lately I've been trying backside 180 nosegrinds and frontside hurricanes. I did a shitty frontside hurricane backside revert out today but I wanna be able to do them to regular.
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Post by: tom on April 20, 2020, 06:47:29 PM
I still havenít done a decent backtail since trying to re-learn them, but Iíve goofed around with learning or re-learning some other stuff. Switch front crooks and nollie tres were the two I tried today. I havenít done a nollie tre since 2009 I think. Iím at the point of learning/doing tricks I shouldíve learned ages ago because if I donít do it now I may never do them
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Post by: MarxLenin on April 20, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Switch fs and bs flips I have landed them but I don't have real confidence
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 22, 2020, 07:26:18 AM
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Fakie Pop Shoves. Used to be able to put em up high, trying to get back there.
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Was just talking about this trick with a friend. Underrated trick that looks cool if popped well.

Surprised to hear that people like this trick. Fakie pop shove was one of the first tricks I learned and the very first that I ever did on a bank. I like to pop them from in the pocket (toe side), and I keep my front foot pretty close to the bolts and slightly angled outward. The pop is also more straight down than scooped.
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Post by: Hulby52 on April 22, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Post by: silhouette on April 22, 2020, 09:06:01 AM
360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.

Keep a straight back with your weight mostly sitting over your back leg pre-pop, and try to send the board flying in front of you (as if you'd want it to go vertically, almost) a bit more. If that interferes with the form of the trick and gives you a harder time getting the full 360, focus more on the scoop. Also, lock your shoulders into place, don't go crazy with your upper body mid trick.
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Post by: ihatejulio on April 22, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
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360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Keep a straight back with your weight mostly sitting over your back leg pre-pop, and try to send the board flying in front of you (as if you'd want it to go vertically, almost) a bit more. If that interferes with the form of the trick and gives you a harder time getting the full 360, focus more on the scoop. Also, lock your shoulders into place, don't go crazy with your upper body mid trick.

This is my biggest trouble with 360 flips. Keeping my shoulders in place has been a real struggle and tricking my brain into not opening them up hinders my other mechanics during the trick. Just trying them for years has given me such bad form on them. IMO it's way harder to unlearn years of doing a trick the wrong way than to learn one during your inital attempts. 
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Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 04:45:08 PM
Shuvs atm. Was doing really well last week, took a day or two off to heal my body after rolling my ankle. Fucking. Lost. Them. I did a couple rolling and was so stoked but today I was just trying to make up all that progress I lost. I can't land anything today, every trick felt like a strugle.
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Post by: silhouette on April 22, 2020, 05:20:46 PM
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360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Keep a straight back with your weight mostly sitting over your back leg pre-pop, and try to send the board flying in front of you (as if you'd want it to go vertically, almost) a bit more. If that interferes with the form of the trick and gives you a harder time getting the full 360, focus more on the scoop. Also, lock your shoulders into place, don't go crazy with your upper body mid trick.
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This is my biggest trouble with 360 flips. Keeping my shoulders in place has been a real struggle and tricking my brain into not opening them up hinders my other mechanics during the trick. Just trying them for years has given me such bad form on them. IMO it's way harder to unlearn years of doing a trick the wrong way than to learn one during your inital attempts.

Usually that's when people have a difficult time getting the full 360 (or they overthink it, which has to be the most common reason, to be honest), usually people with shorter legs, so they have the reflex to try and turn their body to catch the board early to compensate (which obviously doesn't work). That's why I was saying to focus more on the scoop and overall back foot action to make up for that (which is actually just doing the trick right). Had that problem for the longest time myself as soon as I started skating looser trucks, you have to find that sweet spot and let just the sweep of that back leg do all the work.

You're not wrong with your last bit but my philosophy is there is no absolute wrong or right way to do a trick, I actually really like quirky ways of doing tricks (when you can tell it's how the person naturally grew up doing the trick; forced quirks suck). Skateboarding is basic physics and forces, there's always some kind of workaround to such specific issues and in the end, the sum of all those workarounds you find pretty much become a major part of one's style.
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Post by: d1zzie on May 01, 2020, 01:15:23 AM
kickflips. my front foot never wants to come back on the board after flicking :(
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Post by: Adrian Kohatsu on May 03, 2020, 07:32:07 AM
regular varial heelflips (i find them easier on switch) i can't get the full rotation when i commit to the landing. Any suggestion?
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Post by: TFUCKINA on May 03, 2020, 11:01:12 AM
Half cab heel. I got the rotation but I can't catch em right.

think of it as late. after you spin your shoulders around wait till the last minute to heelflip.
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Post by: TFUCKINA on May 03, 2020, 11:03:21 AM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated


Iím trying to get those too!
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Post by: dallou on May 03, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
noseslide ... (never really skated ledge, that was a dumb decision)
Switch pop shovit
wallride
Switch 50/50
Varial Heel and Fakie Varial Heel
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Post by: Mog on May 03, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
anticasper bigflip to switch casper slide
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Post by: Jewlien Burford on May 04, 2020, 07:09:50 AM
Half cab flip
Impossible
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Post by: MorningSesh on May 04, 2020, 07:27:49 AM
Half cab flip
Impossible
Recently learned half cab flips. Theyíre fun to learn
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Post by: Paperclip20 on May 04, 2020, 08:08:11 AM
Half cab flip
Impossible

Wrapping a proper impossible is so fun, my favorite trick
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on May 04, 2020, 10:15:26 AM
Not exactly something I'm trying to learn but something that came to mind while messing around with wallies/slappies into boardslides on ledges (I know, but it's dumb fun), it doesn't seem to hard from that 'launch' to overshoot and end up in hurricane position (or barley grind but hurricane is sicker), now I think it could be cool to see wallie hurricanes on tall-ish shit. I reckon it should work like a slappy frontside feeble coming from the wrong angle. I literally gave it two tries where I was too scared to commit to actually putting weight on the truck before moving on as I'm not trying to fuck myself up mid-lockdown but it's something to do.
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Post by: mybackhurts on May 11, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
sw back 180 manny

also impossibles(trick is such an enigma)
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 06:44:18 AM
What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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Post by: Pnw on May 12, 2020, 07:09:02 AM
What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 07:34:30 AM
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What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
Does copping make dropping in a little easier?
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Post by: Pnw on May 12, 2020, 08:41:09 AM
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What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
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Does copping make dropping in a little easier?
I've never really thought about it but I guess the copping would give you more stability on your tail so you can focus more on placing all your weight forward instead of slipping out.
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Post by: Made In China on May 12, 2020, 11:10:14 AM
Can't really tailslide but I've gotten a few nollie back tails on curbs lately. They're surprisingly easy to get into, but hard to actually get a good slide.
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Post by: Pnw on May 12, 2020, 11:17:32 AM
Iím having trouble with tre flips. When I land one my front foot is on my nose and my back foot is either in the middle of the board or barely behind the front bolts which puts all my weight forward so I donít ride away.

Is it because I fling them more sideways instead of in front of me or my foot position which is more forward facing instead of 45 degrees?
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
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What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
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Does copping make dropping in a little easier?
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I've never really thought about it but I guess the copping would give you more stability on your tail so you can focus more on placing all your weight forward instead of slipping out.
Ok so there's this ramp I dropped in on that didn't have coping and I didn't feel right, also slipped out twice on the thing. Makes me worry about dropping in on the mini that does have coping.
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Post by: MarxLenin on May 12, 2020, 07:18:38 PM
How to stop squirreling out when I am pushing switch
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 19, 2020, 03:15:41 PM
Rock to Fakie. Geting my truck over the lip is a little scary to me. I practiced pumping up and raising my nose up to get a feel. Also practiced leaning back more. But still scared to actually do it. Any Advice?
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Post by: fs1/2cab on May 19, 2020, 03:24:07 PM
Rock to Fakie. Geting my truck over the lip is a little scary to me. I practiced pumping up and raising my nose up to get a feel. Also practiced leaning back more. But still scared to actually do it. Any Advice?

Can you do rock to fakies on steep banks? Gives you a good feeling for that little fakie wheelie motion. Roll up a bank, get your front truck on top of the bank and roll back to fakie. Then do the same with lifting up your front truck. Hope that makes sense, since English is not my native language.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 19, 2020, 04:30:49 PM
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Rock to Fakie. Geting my truck over the lip is a little scary to me. I practiced pumping up and raising my nose up to get a feel. Also practiced leaning back more. But still scared to actually do it. Any Advice?
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Can you do rock to fakies on steep banks? Gives you a good feeling for that little fakie wheelie motion. Roll up a bank, get your front truck on top of the bank and roll back to fakie. Then do the same with lifting up your front truck. Hope that makes sense, since English is not my native language.
I practiced on a fun box with a bank. That was a little sketchy feeling but I will try it on there tomorrow.
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Post by: UrbanSombrero on May 19, 2020, 06:05:30 PM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.
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Post by: MarxLenin on May 19, 2020, 08:23:56 PM
How not to get bored skating the same spot everyday.
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Post by: Paperclip20 on May 20, 2020, 04:09:58 AM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.

I'm in a similar spot but I can do 90 degree pivots pretty often. I noticed putting my front slightly lower and flicking sideways helped more of them go the full way.
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Post by: Bata on May 20, 2020, 04:27:16 AM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.

I struggled a lot with this trick and what helped me is learning hardflips first and getting really consistent with kickflips.
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Post by: UrbanSombrero on May 20, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
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Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.
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I struggled a lot with this trick and what helped me is learning hardflips first and getting really consistent with kickflips.

Thanks I may give that a try see how close I get. I've never landed a hardflip in my life but that would be a bucket list trick for sure.

Is your foot positioning for your hard flip the same as your fs flip? Does the hard flip get you used to the pop/scoop of a fs flip?
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Post by: MarxLenin on May 20, 2020, 07:33:18 PM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.

When I have trouble with my fsf I remind myself to jump a bit higher and remember that the trick is a means of moving forward, focus on the forward motion seems to help me alot
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Post by: Krile on May 21, 2020, 04:27:40 AM
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Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.
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I struggled a lot with this trick and what helped me is learning hardflips first and getting really consistent with kickflips.
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Thanks I may give that a try see how close I get. I've never landed a hardflip in my life but that would be a bucket list trick for sure.

Is your foot positioning for your hard flip the same as your fs flip? Does the hard flip get you used to the pop/scoop of a fs flip?

Yeah my problem was kicking the board away when I turn 180 so learning hardflip helped it be more one fluid motion than kickflip catch 90 piviot
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Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 22, 2020, 02:51:26 PM
Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on May 22, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t5T1Wsu.mp4) (https://imgur.com/t5T1Wsu)

I'll put my inferior f/s no-comply out there. If anyone has any tips about what I can do to make my f/s no-complies more fluid and quick, I'd be happy to hear them.

I think a large part of why I do them fairly slowly is that I don't have a lot of control with my back foot - the board goes flying out, or flips a little, or stabs my leg. So, I move slowly for a little more control. Maybe I just need more practice.

I've been trying to remember "plant, pop, move" to plant my foot, pop my board, and move my foot off the ground and back on. Also trying to tell myself to move my foot off the ground as soon as the board starts to go back down.

Also any tips for no-comply 360s are much appreciated.
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Post by: tzhangdox on May 22, 2020, 07:53:50 PM
Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.

I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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Post by: blurst_of_times on May 22, 2020, 09:24:24 PM
Heelflips
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Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 22, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.

I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did theyíre pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesnít rain here.
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Post by: silhouette on May 23, 2020, 01:25:13 AM
I'll put my inferior f/s no-comply out there. If anyone has any tips about what I can do to make my f/s no-complies more fluid and quick, I'd be happy to hear them.

I think a large part of why I do them fairly slowly is that I don't have a lot of control with my back foot - the board goes flying out, or flips a little, or stabs my leg. So, I move slowly for a little more control. Maybe I just need more practice.

I've been trying to remember "plant, pop, move" to plant my foot, pop my board, and move my foot off the ground and back on. Also trying to tell myself to move my foot off the ground as soon as the board starts to go back down.

Also any tips for no-comply 360s are much appreciated.

Can't see your .gif here as it appears to be expired, but there's a sweet spot to find as far as the back foot positioning is concerned for 43's, I have my foot covering the whole width of the tail (kind of like I would for an impossible) and then I don't really think in terms of frontside 180 but mostly just extend my popping leg forward in front of me all the while jumping with it to accompany the motion, at least that's my way of getting a good smack of the tail against the ground and then you essentially just use the rebound as the board remains attached to your back foot (remember you'll need to bring that one back up for height too). Again similarly to impossibles, the more tension you build up over the surface of the board using your weight on both feet pre-pop, and then the higher you can suck your legs up on the jump, the higher you'll get.

For 360's (frontside I assume?), you have to wind up and trust the 360 which can be scary at first but becomes more natural as you develop confidence on the trick, but if you get the technique I was describing for the 180's down then 360's become just a matter of adding force/momentum and thus just as automatic.
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Post by: tzhangdox on May 23, 2020, 02:27:35 AM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did theyíre pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesnít rain here.

Yeah the sw bs ones are great. Same here, tried jamming a few every time I skated and one day they just worked. Need to get better at popping out though. Let me know if you figure anything out the on the slappy fs crooks.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on May 23, 2020, 07:53:18 AM
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I'll put my inferior f/s no-comply out there. If anyone has any tips about what I can do to make my f/s no-complies more fluid and quick, I'd be happy to hear them.

I think a large part of why I do them fairly slowly is that I don't have a lot of control with my back foot - the board goes flying out, or flips a little, or stabs my leg. So, I move slowly for a little more control. Maybe I just need more practice.

I've been trying to remember "plant, pop, move" to plant my foot, pop my board, and move my foot off the ground and back on. Also trying to tell myself to move my foot off the ground as soon as the board starts to go back down.

Also any tips for no-comply 360s are much appreciated.
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Can't see your .gif here as it appears to be expired, but there's a sweet spot to find as far as the back foot positioning is concerned for 43's, I have my foot covering the whole width of the tail (kind of like I would for an impossible) and then I don't really think in terms of frontside 180 but mostly just extend my popping leg forward in front of me all the while jumping with it to accompany the motion, at least that's my way of getting a good smack of the tail against the ground and then you essentially just use the rebound as the board remains attached to your back foot (remember you'll need to bring that one back up for height too). Again similarly to impossibles, the more tension you build up over the surface of the board using your weight on both feet pre-pop, and then the higher you can suck your legs up on the jump, the higher you'll get.

For 360's (frontside I assume?), you have to wind up and trust the 360 which can be scary at first but becomes more natural as you develop confidence on the trick, but if you get the technique I was describing for the 180's down then 360's become just a matter of adding force/momentum and thus just as automatic.

Merci beaucoup pour l'information, mon ami. Vous ťtťs le meilleur professeur. I'll try your tips out. I also re-uploaded my awful no-comply if you're still interested. I know it's too big but I couldn't find a suitable video resizer apparently.
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 24, 2020, 05:14:23 AM
Want to bs roll into a 6ft or bigger.  I can do the 5 fts.  Other then that I'm trying to learn airs on my bmx.
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Post by: silhouette on May 24, 2020, 06:17:06 AM
Merci beaucoup pour l'information, mon ami. Vous ťtťs le meilleur professeur. I'll try your tips out. I also re-uploaded my awful no-comply if you're still interested. I know it's too big but I couldn't find a suitable video resizer apparently.

Haha, oh yeah I see it now. Honestly I've seen many different ways people try starting out on that trick but I've never seen this one, it's like a combination of the little typical hop before the trick (except you kind of wheelie into it) and then you hop around and plant your foot twice, none of which should happen so I'm getting the idea that you're overthinking the trick and making it a lot harder than it really is. The idea is to slide your leading foot off the board to release the tension built by the pressure of your back foot on the tail (the nose should instantly spring up, maybe try it stationary to better figure out the timing) and then you just use the momentum of that one jump. Maybe try facing the direction you're going with your shoulders a bit more so that they're open and you're already prepared to land fakie, that way you only really need to extend your back leg after planting your front foot so that it guides the board around as you're (ideally already) in the process of jumping back onto the board. Maybe you could learn those foot down 180 powerslides some people do and then just do the exact same thing just popping the tail.
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Post by: YungJugg on May 25, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Lately Iíve been having FS flips either completely on lock or days where I canít land one, and when I donít land them my nose gets shoved into the ground chipping the shit out of it.

I want to blame it on my wheelbase being a tad long but I know itís just myself skating shitty.
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Post by: ihatejulio on May 25, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
Anyone have any tips for fakie manuals? I want that one in my bag so badly. 
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Post by: rocklobster on May 25, 2020, 07:35:20 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAal3TElcvZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Tre flip help for those in need. Damn I wish I could be out skating.
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 29, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
   Rite now Im trying to learn bs roll ins in deeper bowls.  I've done them into 4 footers and shit.  A 6 footer would be good enough for me.  Hard to believe Phelps still did them into vert in his latter years.   Fuck I used to have way better tres then that^ and now I can't do em.
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Post by: Sila on May 29, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAal3TElcvZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Tre flip help for those in need. Damn I wish I could be out skating.

The other day I was watching an older video of his and was thinking how unnatural and forced his tre flips were. It's looking a lot nicer now. I have the same foot placement issue so i'll fling a few with my foot further back next session.
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Post by: rocklobster on May 31, 2020, 12:25:24 AM
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Tre flip help for those in need. Damn I wish I could be out skating.
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The other day I was watching an older video of his and was thinking how unnatural and forced his tre flips were. It's looking a lot nicer now. I have the same foot placement issue so i'll fling a few with my foot further back next session.

The new foot placement still fucks with me, I've been trying them for years with my foot in the pocket and never could do them. A few months back my friend told me to hang my foot more on the tail and scoop in a "J" shape, really focus on smacking the tail into the ground to help the rotation. Vastly different technique versus what we learned in the past - foot in the pocket of the board.
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Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 31, 2020, 09:14:46 AM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did theyíre pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesnít rain here.
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Yeah the sw bs ones are great. Same here, tried jamming a few every time I skated and one day they just worked. Need to get better at popping out though. Let me know if you figure anything out the on the slappy fs crooks.

Landed a few shitty Fs ones the other day. Best I can tell just act like your gonna do a Fs slappy and once your truck hits just lock into crook and hold on.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 31, 2020, 01:18:32 PM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did they’re pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesn’t rain here.
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Yeah the sw bs ones are great. Same here, tried jamming a few every time I skated and one day they just worked. Need to get better at popping out though. Let me know if you figure anything out the on the slappy fs crooks.
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Landed a few shitty Fs ones the other day. Best I can tell just act like your gonna do a Fs slappy and once your truck hits just lock into crook and hold on.

The best advice I've ever heard with this trick is to just treat it like a nose slide with a little bit of wheel pinched in there. I do a lot of FS slappy nose slides so that really helped it click. Also keeping your foot closer to the pocket of your nose kind of helps.

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Merci beaucoup pour l'information, mon ami. Vous ťtťs le meilleur professeur. I'll try your tips out. I also re-uploaded my awful no-comply if you're still interested. I know it's too big but I couldn't find a suitable video resizer apparently.
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Haha, oh yeah I see it now. Honestly I've seen many different ways people try starting out on that trick but I've never seen this one, it's like a combination of the little typical hop before the trick (except you kind of wheelie into it) and then you hop around and plant your foot twice, none of which should happen so I'm getting the idea that you're overthinking the trick and making it a lot harder than it really is. The idea is to slide your leading foot off the board to release the tension built by the pressure of your back foot on the tail (the nose should instantly spring up, maybe try it stationary to better figure out the timing) and then you just use the momentum of that one jump. Maybe try facing the direction you're going with your shoulders a bit more so that they're open and you're already prepared to land fakie, that way you only really need to extend your back leg after planting your front foot so that it guides the board around as you're (ideally already) in the process of jumping back onto the board. Maybe you could learn those foot down 180 powerslides some people do and then just do the exact same thing just popping the tail.

Just want to agree that having your shoulders open helps a lot. I'm usually already turning before I pop them. I'll also add that I like to have my back foot angled inwards a bit when I pop them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on May 31, 2020, 07:09:04 PM
5050 flat bar. I fluked one today just barely kissed the rail and rolled off the end.

i can 5050 ledges all day, up to a lil bit over knee high

when i lock in right i grind for a couple inches panic and flail out or jump off. When i get on wrong i just slip out onto my ass

Funny enough i find doing a bunch of flatground ollies and then standing on the board locked in on the rail helps me get in better

I've never bs boardslid one either. They're scary to me i've never even tried to bs boardslide a ledge lol
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Post by: lazer69 on June 01, 2020, 02:20:54 AM
Also was working on fs 5050 on flatbar. Round flatbars have always been challenging for me. I had some PTSD, but recently have been jumping on. Today I was getting on good and grinding just have been too toeside heavy and not able to get out right.

2 other tricks I was working on.: FS 5-0 to swtich crooks. Mustve gave that one 60 tries between 2 sessions. I landed on 6-9, but I think what I landed was a crooked tailslide. Getting into the switch crooks has been very challenging.

The other trick I started trying was a FS 5050 BS 180 out. Really struggling. I was able to land a few, but only when popping off the nose.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: danmasontree on June 03, 2020, 03:37:19 PM

The other trick I started trying was a FS 5050 BS 180 out. Really struggling. I was able to land a few, but only when popping off the nose.



What works for me is when you 50-50 you kinda gotta dip your front shoulder or land with your body weight way over on top of the box(whatever way of thinking works for you) as you land on the 50-50 it makes the 180 way easier. Also, go fast.
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Post by: lazer69 on June 03, 2020, 11:06:42 PM
U usually as soon as I try to bs 180, the bored just ends up pressure flipping. I'll try your tip though,
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Post by: ZachV on June 06, 2020, 10:08:21 PM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.

Im gonna try Slappy Fs Crooks after reading this, I have them backside but the way you described doing them frontside made so much sense. Super stoked to go try it out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Allen. on June 07, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
Quim cardonaís wallride nollie 180 on a bank to wall.
Go up straight like youíre doing a wallride to fakie but nollie fs 180 out of it so you go back down regular
Whatever the fuck
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Post by: Ziad on June 07, 2020, 09:33:38 PM
how to play sound on sound by big boys on bass
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: 1121317 on June 08, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
bs tails. i've been trying to learn them for 2 years now and i can't seem to get them because i cant commit on going fast enough and for some reason i want my first bs tail to be regular out even though you're supposed to land them fakie first.
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Post by: (fake) nollie. on June 08, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.
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Post by: FleeceFlannel on June 08, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
Spent an hour trying to do a slob plant back to fakie.  Filmed a couple to see how it looked and immediately stopped trying.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ZachV on June 08, 2020, 06:02:42 PM
Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.

Practice the kickflip in different parts, first get the flick, then do the flick but only put ur front foot on, then do the flick but only put ur back foot on. then full commit to it. Kickflips are very frustrating, I learned them a little under a year of skating but have lost them recently. Once they click though they get pretty consistent. Just be patient and keep at it.

Hopefully I dont get kooked for this but watching Youtube tutorials can help, Braille have some of the best flat ground tutorials (despite them being super cringe.) I would also recommend watching Ben Degros and VL Skate tutorials.
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Post by: (fake) nollie. on June 08, 2020, 07:38:50 PM
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Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.
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Practice the kickflip in different parts, first get the flick, then do the flick but only put ur front foot on, then do the flick but only put ur back foot on. then full commit to it. Kickflips are very frustrating, I learned them a little under a year of skating but have lost them recently. Once they click though they get pretty consistent. Just be patient and keep at it.

Hopefully I dont get kooked for this but watching Youtube tutorials can help, Braille have some of the best flat ground tutorials (despite them being super cringe.) I would also recommend watching Ben Degros and VL Skate tutorials.
Thanks dude!
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Post by: ZachV on June 08, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
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Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.
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Practice the kickflip in different parts, first get the flick, then do the flick but only put ur front foot on, then do the flick but only put ur back foot on. then full commit to it. Kickflips are very frustrating, I learned them a little under a year of skating but have lost them recently. Once they click though they get pretty consistent. Just be patient and keep at it.

Hopefully I dont get kooked for this but watching Youtube tutorials can help, Braille have some of the best flat ground tutorials (despite them being super cringe.) I would also recommend watching Ben Degros and VL Skate tutorials.
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Thanks dude!

Your welcome bro, Im always glad to share info from my little pool of knowledge.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2020, 09:24:01 PM
Iím having trouble with tre flips. When I land one my front foot is on my nose and my back foot is either in the middle of the board or barely behind the front bolts which puts all my weight forward so I donít ride away.

Is it because I fling them more sideways instead of in front of me or my foot position which is more forward facing instead of 45 degrees?

I've never had them (I have impossibles, I put my focus there back in the day because I couldn't for the life of me figure out tres, even to this day).

I've landed 3.

My issue is I can land my back foot, just not my front. I can't determine if I'm the type to:

Do them under me?
Do them away from me where I have to jump 'over to them' <--I feel like I am this type
Back foot in the pocket?
Back foot in ollie position?

And the worst part, all of the above have me putting my front fooot all over the fucking place.

I've actually sized down, lowered my setup to aid in getting them. Whatever helps!
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Post by: silhouette on June 08, 2020, 10:04:55 PM
I've never had them (I have impossibles, I put my focus there back in the day because I couldn't for the life of me figure out tres, even to this day).

You know how when you scoop an impossible you kind of use the toes on your back foot to dig inside the pocket of the tail and get the wrap (even on really vertical ones, it just happens subtly)? Try doing the same thing but instead of instantly taking your front foot off and bringing your knee up, have its toes retain contact with the griptape side. You'll notice the board will tend to stick to them and from then on it's super easy to get a good flip by just kicking out at the right time (that's actually how one does 360 double flips). Different technique from the classic, popped 360 flip (that I personally prefer) but if you're familiar with impossibles already, maybe that one will be easier for you to stay over. If it still doesn't work then try insisting on the toe pressure action even more or moving said toe closer to the edge of the concave (if not hanging off).

Or if you want to insist with your current technique then the basic principle when it comes to catching the board is that the whole trick should be happening under you, not behind you nor in front of you, which you can adjust by having your upper body more or less straight and also the direction of the scoop. For the popped technique I think about scooping to the side with my big toe but also about hitting that tail to use the rebound and send the trick more vertically if that makes sense. Either way your front toe is essentially the axis of the rotation of the board which is why it's easy to catch those with the front foot, say, on hips where the trick starts working like a modified ollie really. I hope you get them, they're worth it!
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Post by: pdknox on June 09, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
fs flips - cant turn fs 180 and kick flip at the same time.  bs flips and bs heelflips always felt intuitive.  im playing with the foot placement, having the flick foot well on the board and the pop foot on the tip of the tail.  i can fake fs flip, even though those are more muska ish

bs tails - not going fast enough

powerslides - my foot lifts up whenever i try and speed check

ha.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Xen on June 09, 2020, 08:52:03 AM
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I've never had them (I have impossibles, I put my focus there back in the day because I couldn't for the life of me figure out tres, even to this day).
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You know how when you scoop an impossible you kind of use the toes on your back foot to dig inside the pocket of the tail and get the wrap (even on really vertical ones, it just happens subtly)? Try doing the same thing but instead of instantly taking your front foot off and bringing your knee up, have its toes retain contact with the griptape side. You'll notice the board will tend to stick to them and from then on it's super easy to get a good flip by just kicking out at the right time (that's actually how one does 360 double flips). Different technique from the classic, popped 360 flip (that I personally prefer) but if you're familiar with impossibles already, maybe that one will be easier for you to stay over. If it still doesn't work then try insisting on the toe pressure action even more or moving said toe closer to the edge of the concave (if not hanging off).

Or if you want to insist with your current technique then the basic principle when it comes to catching the board is that the whole trick should be happening under you, not behind you nor in front of you, which you can adjust by having your upper body more or less straight and also the direction of the scoop. For the popped technique I think about scooping to the side with my big toe but also about hitting that tail to use the rebound and send the trick more vertically if that makes sense. Either way your front toe is essentially the axis of the rotation of the board which is why it's easy to catch those with the front foot, say, on hips where the trick starts working like a modified ollie really. I hope you get them, they're worth it!

Thanks for the tips, silhouette. I'll give them ago and report back!  At this point I will take whichever method happens easiest and go on to refine it from there ;)
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Post by: 411_bandit on June 09, 2020, 05:23:01 PM
Fakie shuvs
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Post by: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:35:32 PM
Truthfully, how to ollie while moving. I took up skating last week. Well, I skated years go but I took it up again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 22, 2020, 09:28:45 PM
Anyone have tips on improving ollie fundamentals? After doing this for years I still have really horrible ollies that rocket and I can't bone them out. I tell myself I want to work on my ollies during the session, give it a couple of goes before I try working on my flip tricks. Are my fundamentals (squatting too much, foot too far back, back foot placement, shoulder position) screwed?

(2 not-great sessions in a row got me stressing)
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Post by: silhouette on June 23, 2020, 03:48:08 AM
Anyone have tips on improving ollie fundamentals? After doing this for years I still have really horrible ollies that rocket and I can't bone them out. I tell myself I want to work on my ollies during the session, give it a couple of goes before I try working on my flip tricks. Are my fundamentals (squatting too much, foot too far back, back foot placement, shoulder position) screwed?

(2 not-great sessions in a row got me stressing)

I've always sucked at nicely formed ollies - even when I had fresher legs as a kid I could level them out over tall-ish stuff but couldn't ever get the tweaked form a lot of people do (only switch has always worked), and to this day even when I 'bone' them my back foot will often remain flat on the board. Then at some point I learned proper nosebonks and k bonks and it helped me get the timing down better - I swear if you can learn how to trick your brain into thinking you're doing an imaginary nosebonk over and past the obstacle, it sort of results in muscle memory automatically pulling all the right strings to suck that back foot up as you'll want to push down on that front foot and nudge that nose in front of you anyway.

Regardless of the stance, I feel like I pop off the center of the tail with my big toe for an optimal snap and I definitely have my back foot further back if I'm going to try and ollie over something high than if I'm just doing a casual ollie. I'd say somewhere around the center of the board (never past it) so that my weight is balanced and distributed somewhere over the back bolts. Gives you a quicker snap and more surface for the front foot to work with so that you actually have something to push in front of you when you extend your leg. I'd say just watch a lot of Quim, Rupp, Huf and classic street skaters known for good form and technique on ollies and try to emulate that, mentally if anything.

Personal shoulder position is partially open towards where I'm going for regs and partially closed (facing the nose which is at the back) for switch, but still parallel-ish I'd say.
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Post by: rocklobster on June 23, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
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Anyone have tips on improving ollie fundamentals? After doing this for years I still have really horrible ollies that rocket and I can't bone them out. I tell myself I want to work on my ollies during the session, give it a couple of goes before I try working on my flip tricks. Are my fundamentals (squatting too much, foot too far back, back foot placement, shoulder position) screwed?

(2 not-great sessions in a row got me stressing)
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I've always sucked at nicely formed ollies - even when I had fresher legs as a kid I could level them out over tall-ish stuff but couldn't ever get the tweaked form a lot of people do (only switch has always worked), and to this day even when I 'bone' them my back foot will often remain flat on the board. Then at some point I learned proper nosebonks and k bonks and it helped me get the timing down better - I swear if you can learn how to trick your brain into thinking you're doing an imaginary nosebonk over and past the obstacle, it sort of results in muscle memory automatically pulling all the right strings to suck that back foot up as you'll want to push down on that front foot and nudge that nose in front of you anyway.

Regardless of the stance, I feel like I pop off the center of the tail with my big toe for an optimal snap and I definitely have my back foot further back if I'm going to try and ollie over something high than if I'm just doing a casual ollie. I'd say somewhere around the center of the board (never past it) so that my weight is balanced and distributed somewhere over the back bolts. Gives you a quicker snap and more surface for the front foot to work with so that you actually have something to push in front of you when you extend your leg. I'd say just watch a lot of Quim, Rupp, Huf and classic street skaters known for good form and technique on ollies and try to emulate that, mentally if anything.

Personal shoulder position is partially open towards where I'm going for regs and partially closed (facing the nose which is at the back) for switch, but still parallel-ish I'd say.

Thanks for the knowledge drop as usual silhouette, I'm going to try and find stuff with enough height and length to ollie over during my lockdown sessions.

Another one I've been struggling (more with) are nollie FS 180s, I can't get the timing to do the hefy but I can do them enough to do shitty nollie boardslides and nollie 50-50s. I always end up 90 degrees and sliding my wheels the rest of the way.
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 23, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
try experimenting with foot positioning (where you pop off of but also far down/up the board your back foot is). Also your weight distribution before and after you pop. I find it helps to kinda have more weight over my front foot before popping the nollie but then have to even out. Hard to explain but just try some different combinations of foot positioning and weight distribution.

If you can do a shitty nollie 5050 then your nollie is probably sufficient. Obviously also make sure you turn your shoulders around properly. Its one of those tricks where usually by the time I bend down I kinda have an idea if I'm gonna do a floaty one or a shite one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 23, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
Thanks for the knowledge drop as usual silhouette, I'm going to try and find stuff with enough height and length to ollie over during my lockdown sessions.

Another one I've been struggling (more with) are nollie FS 180s, I can't get the timing to do the hefy but I can do them enough to do shitty nollie boardslides and nollie 50-50s. I always end up 90 degrees and sliding my wheels the rest of the way.

Yo my pleasure, it's pretty funny that by coincidence you're always trying to learn tricks that also happen to be my favorites (or maybe I just have too many favorite tricks). Frontside nollies are actually another one, I find that those work better if you think of them as a switch ollie going the wrong way with a translation (just like it's better to think of halfcabs as solid, ample ollies just popped fakie into a turn back to regs), most people commit the mistake of thinking of them as pivoting off the nose with pop somewhere somehow and thus don't keep their shoulders in check so they can't really get high ones and are likely to overturn their body in relation to the board.

I think for that trick it's key to have both feet well inside the board if that makes sense, for me at least back foot feels deep inside the concave and the front foot isn't on the tip of the nose but more like in the dead center (as you want to pop downwards for a good nollie and need to give it that nudge forwards to get the front wheels up, and then you turn your hips as you feel the trick leveling out). I feel like the shoulders don't do much on that trick, you're better off just facing the direction you're going to have a head start (whereas on a straight nollie you'd keep them parallel to the board) and then just using your lower body and it should all follow through. The motion itself is pretty simple and then once you get it down you can concentrate on pop.

Also from what I've observed, a lot of people will have great frontside nollies or nollie shifties but will suck at backside ones and vice versa, I reckon because the technique to get proper height on them is very different. So for some reason I suspect that you might be more comfortable with nollie backside 180's? (Really random question, I'm just curious)

Finally for your ollies, you don't even need something big to clear as it's all about figuring out the timing of the technique I described and then once you have you can easily apply to most everything (that's reasonable). Pretty sure what helped me was actually trying to nosebonk low-to-average height flatbars and keeping missing the bonk because it taught me to kind of 'wrap' my board around the obstacle as it clears it and then I find it just starts working on taller stuff as well. Jimmy Lannon is another good one to study when it comes to posture on that trick.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on June 23, 2020, 12:34:23 PM
Spent the whole month focusing on back tailslides on curbs. Another trick I learned 15 years ago but haven't resuscitated the muscle memory for.

I haven't even slid one properly yet. I can ollie into them, but 95% of the time I don't get my entire tail on, or too much of my weight is on my heel, so I always stick. I'm trying to lean more toward my toes, take a wider stance, and turn more, but it hasn't worked out so far. 
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Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on June 23, 2020, 08:58:01 PM
All the fundamentals in every stance, I have been doing this for awahile and its starting to pay off. Only ones I cant really do is nollie back 180, switch back 180 and nollie bs pop shuv and switch pop shuv. I can do the nollie bs shuv and the switch pop shuv where its popped good and caught but its only once out of maybe every 10 tries. Recently ive been going out and just working on one trick all day and like I said its really starting to pay off. I have solid nollies, fakie ollies and yesterday I was doing pretty solid switch ollies but I got too hot and had to quit after about 45 mins to an hour, but yeah the ones that really illude me are the switch back 180s and nollie back 180s but I'm determined to figure them out
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Post by: Weezil on June 23, 2020, 10:06:55 PM
working on switch slappies, I had them pretty good a year ago but where I'm at now the curbs are steeper so they're awkward as fuck. switch slappy crook is fun when it works.

also want to get frontside flips and 360 flips down. shoulder is healing up so I want to start trying fs flips again. 360 flips is just gonna take a day at the flat ground spot with a bunch of water, been dreading it but I want them consistent.

finally mentally unlocked heelflips to where I think I can do them now, it's weird how with alot of tricks you just kind of unlock it, and it can go away just as easy. impossibles are like that for me, they come and go.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 23, 2020, 10:47:21 PM
try experimenting with foot positioning (where you pop off of but also far down/up the board your back foot is). Also your weight distribution before and after you pop. I find it helps to kinda have more weight over my front foot before popping the nollie but then have to even out. Hard to explain but just try some different combinations of foot positioning and weight distribution.

If you can do a shitty nollie 5050 then your nollie is probably sufficient. Obviously also make sure you turn your shoulders around properly. Its one of those tricks where usually by the time I bend down I kinda have an idea if I'm gonna do a floaty one or a shite one.

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Thanks for the knowledge drop as usual silhouette, I'm going to try and find stuff with enough height and length to ollie over during my lockdown sessions.

Another one I've been struggling (more with) are nollie FS 180s, I can't get the timing to do the hefy but I can do them enough to do shitty nollie boardslides and nollie 50-50s. I always end up 90 degrees and sliding my wheels the rest of the way.
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Yo my pleasure, it's pretty funny that by coincidence you're always trying to learn tricks that also happen to be my favorites (or maybe I just have too many favorite tricks). Frontside nollies are actually another one, I find that those work better if you think of them as a switch ollie going the wrong way with a translation (just like it's better to think of halfcabs as solid, ample ollies just popped fakie into a turn back to regs), most people commit the mistake of thinking of them as pivoting off the nose with pop somewhere somehow and thus don't keep their shoulders in check so they can't really get high ones and are likely to overturn their body in relation to the board.

I think for that trick it's key to have both feet well inside the board if that makes sense, for me at least back foot feels deep inside the concave and the front foot isn't on the tip of the nose but more like in the dead center (as you want to pop downwards for a good nollie and need to give it that nudge forwards to get the front wheels up, and then you turn your hips as you feel the trick leveling out). I feel like the shoulders don't do much on that trick, you're better off just facing the direction you're going to have a head start (whereas on a straight nollie you'd keep them parallel to the board) and then just using your lower body and it should all follow through. The motion itself is pretty simple and then once you get it down you can concentrate on pop.

Also from what I've observed, a lot of people will have great frontside nollies or nollie shifties but will suck at backside ones and vice versa, I reckon because the technique to get proper height on them is very different. So for some reason I suspect that you might be more comfortable with nollie backside 180's? (Really random question, I'm just curious)

Finally for your ollies, you don't even need something big to clear as it's all about figuring out the timing of the technique I described and then once you have you can easily apply to most everything (that's reasonable). Pretty sure what helped me was actually trying to nosebonk low-to-average height flatbars and keeping missing the bonk because it taught me to kind of 'wrap' my board around the obstacle as it clears it and then I find it just starts working on taller stuff as well. Jimmy Lannon is another good one to study when it comes to posture on that trick.

Thanks guys, I definitely find Nollie BS 180s easier, I can do them consistently but they are low and are nowhere close to being pretty; but the rotation feels much more natural than Nollie FS 180. There is an abandoned parking structure near my block of flat with some random trash around, I'll set that up as an ollie practice course. All this time indoor isn't helping my gear madness.

Spent the whole month focusing on back tailslides on curbs. Another trick I learned 15 years ago but haven't resuscitated the muscle memory for.

I haven't even slid one properly yet. I can ollie into them, but 95% of the time I don't get my entire tail on, or too much of my weight is on my heel, so I always stick. I'm trying to lean more toward my toes, take a wider stance, and turn more, but it hasn't worked out so far. 

If you're getting the lock into the curb you're around 60% there, more speed, wax (especially the side of the ledge) and confidence would help. Not exceptionally good at them but I spend a lot of time analyzing and working on this trick when I'm at the park. Ollie-ing into a ledge stationary versus sliding are different.

Whenever I would stick it was because I was popping too high into them and trying to stomp my tail onto the ledge which would result in:
1) Sticking on the ledge
2) Having the board slip out under me

I try to think of it like you are popping your tail just high enough, picking your back foot enough to slot your tail onto the side of the ledge. So if you're riding parallel to the ledge, you and your board are just continuing the forward motion but using your tail as an anchor to the ledge.

With tailslides you have to be much more deliberate with where you place your tail, with noseslides you can just smash your nose in there and hang on for dear life.

https://youtu.be/YD9PL9hWPzM?t=125

This video really helped me out even though he doesn't go into specifics about the trick and spends most of the time doing 1/2 cab noseslides. Not trying to stomp the tail onto the ledge, just guiding it into position and riding on top of the ledge.

Last thing I'll add is don't forget how your hips factor into controlling the rotation of the board. I suck at doing BS Tailslides to regular but can do them to fakie, mostly because over-rotate my shoulder during the turn so that momentum continues throughout the slides and pushes me out to fakie. On the 1 week I could come out regular I really focus on pivoting from my hips; so my head is still pointing forward, my shoulders are parallel to the ledge and the board rotation is controlled by my hips entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ublic2D8VZM

https://sidewalkmag.com/longform/advanced-bs-tailslide
The explanatory notes are generic but frame 6 is what I'm talking about with regards to the hips. That allows you to keep your shoulders parallel and control the exit to regular or fakie.

Small controlled motions give the best control on tricks.

Edit: went down a Jon Allie rabbit hole and found this perfect BS Tailislide he does in New Blood; rotation is all in the hips. Feels weird paying that much attention to a dude's hips.
https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=88

(Not an expert but having a forum to share my thoughts helps me crystallize my thoughts and process of a trick)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 24, 2020, 10:16:49 AM
Just re-learend half cab flips. Don't think I've done one in over 15 years. Feels good at 45 to know some things are still possible.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on June 24, 2020, 06:18:23 PM

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Spent the whole month focusing on back tailslides on curbs. Another trick I learned 15 years ago but haven't resuscitated the muscle memory for.

I haven't even slid one properly yet. I can ollie into them, but 95% of the time I don't get my entire tail on, or too much of my weight is on my heel, so I always stick. I'm trying to lean more toward my toes, take a wider stance, and turn more, but it hasn't worked out so far. 
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If you're getting the lock into the curb you're around 60% there, more speed, wax (especially the side of the ledge) and confidence would help. Not exceptionally good at them but I spend a lot of time analyzing and working on this trick when I'm at the park. Ollie-ing into a ledge stationary versus sliding are different.

Whenever I would stick it was because I was popping too high into them and trying to stomp my tail onto the ledge which would result in:
1) Sticking on the ledge
2) Having the board slip out under me

I try to think of it like you are popping your tail just high enough, picking your back foot enough to slot your tail onto the side of the ledge. So if you're riding parallel to the ledge, you and your board are just continuing the forward motion but using your tail as an anchor to the ledge.

With tailslides you have to be much more deliberate with where you place your tail, with noseslides you can just smash your nose in there and hang on for dear life.

https://youtu.be/YD9PL9hWPzM?t=125

This video really helped me out even though he doesn't go into specifics about the trick and spends most of the time doing 1/2 cab noseslides. Not trying to stomp the tail onto the ledge, just guiding it into position and riding on top of the ledge.

Last thing I'll add is don't forget how your hips factor into controlling the rotation of the board. I suck at doing BS Tailslides to regular but can do them to fakie, mostly because over-rotate my shoulder during the turn so that momentum continues throughout the slides and pushes me out to fakie. On the 1 week I could come out regular I really focus on pivoting from my hips; so my head is still pointing forward, my shoulders are parallel to the ledge and the board rotation is controlled by my hips entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ublic2D8VZM

https://sidewalkmag.com/longform/advanced-bs-tailslide
The explanatory notes are generic but frame 6 is what I'm talking about with regards to the hips. That allows you to keep your shoulders parallel and control the exit to regular or fakie.

Small controlled motions give the best control on tricks.

Edit: went down a Jon Allie rabbit hole and found this perfect BS Tailislide he does in New Blood; rotation is all in the hips. Feels weird paying that much attention to a dude's hips.
https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=88

(Not an expert but having a forum to share my thoughts helps me crystallize my thoughts and process of a trick)

Awesome, thank you. I'm going to remember your tips and try them the next time the park isn't sweltering and crowded with scooters. Which may be never, but hopefully not.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MarxLenin on June 24, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
Trying to learn nollie heel 180 front side. I can do halfcab heel and nollie heel and nollie 180 but I am reluctant to commit
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on July 01, 2020, 11:13:06 AM
Not really a trick or anything but My last two boards I've noticed I'm popping severely toeside, like razortail is centered beyond the toe side bolts toe side.

I recorded myself doing some ollies and shit consciously thinking to pop straight down and I'm almost front shuving it. I don't think its the shoulders because the shoulders don't look like they move much and the nose stays straight, just the back floats up like a front shuv.

At first it didn't bother me that much but these days its driving me fucking crazy. I definitely didn't used to have this problem, like looking at old boards and shit. But something so damn simple I can't even do when focusing on it 100% got me going home early so I don't yell and shit in public like a retard even though I usually very rarely get mad, especially at skating.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ZachV on July 02, 2020, 07:11:37 AM
I learned how to roll in today, Iím just hoping I can retain it and learn how to do it on stuff bigger then 4 feet. Iím the biggest pussy on transition  :P
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 02, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
Not really a trick or anything but My last two boards I've noticed I'm popping severely toeside, like razortail is centered beyond the toe side bolts toe side.

I recorded myself doing some ollies and shit consciously thinking to pop straight down and I'm almost front shuving it. I don't think its the shoulders because the shoulders don't look like they move much and the nose stays straight, just the back floats up like a front shuv.

At first it didn't bother me that much but these days its driving me fucking crazy. I definitely didn't used to have this problem, like looking at old boards and shit. But something so damn simple I can't even do when focusing on it 100% got me going home early so I don't yell and shit in public like a retard even though I usually very rarely get mad, especially at skating.

Could be your foot position? My boards used to do this but now when I ollie I make sure my toes are fully on the board and even slightly in from the edge.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 02, 2020, 09:29:45 PM
Been skating like I was a teen again and I now finally started getting flip tricks. I get kickflips every other to 3rd try. Trying heelflips but, I don't feel like they flip fast enough.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on July 03, 2020, 06:06:49 AM
I've been trying it of and on for years but I want to commit to learning tre flips. It's exhausting as hell but looking somewhat forward to the battle.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ZachV on July 03, 2020, 07:39:06 AM
Any backside air tips?, Iím not much of a vert rider but im already pretty comfortable riding in big bowls.

Iím staying out of town and thereís this park that has a bowl with like maybe 2 feet of vert in the deep end and was thinking of putting a helmet on a giving it a shot.

From how I understand it, I have to bonk my back wheels, grab my board, and rotate my body 180 degrees (if only it was that simple  :P)

Iím planning on grabbing melon if I get the balls to try it, but if any Pals have some tips I would appreciate it.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on July 03, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
Bigger spin on flat.  I think thats what it is.   You do a 360 and the board does a 540(?)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hyliannightmare on July 04, 2020, 04:36:42 AM
Frontside carve on the mini
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sluggloaph on July 04, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
Switch carves/ power slides and switch heels. Can't do em Reggie but jus want a switch flip jawn
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 05, 2020, 06:10:05 AM
Bs 180 fakie manny. I can be 180 on the pad and land on my back wheels but when I hold the fakie manny it seems like a fluke (I never fully feel comfortable). Are there any tips on holding them? Like where I should look or something?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
Bs 180 fakie manny. I can be 180 on the pad and land on my back wheels but when I hold the fakie manny it seems like a fluke (I never fully feel comfortable). Are there any tips on holding them? Like where I should look or something?

cant do this trick but all my friends who can say that you're meant to only ollie 90 degrees and skrrt your way into the fakie manual
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 05, 2020, 05:54:41 PM
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Bs 180 fakie manny. I can be 180 on the pad and land on my back wheels but when I hold the fakie manny it seems like a fluke (I never fully feel comfortable). Are there any tips on holding them? Like where I should look or something?
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cant do this trick but all my friends who can say that you're meant to only ollie 90 degrees and skrrt your way into the fakie manual

Okay thanks man! That would make sense because Iíd usually focus on doing a full 180 and landing in fakie manny but, the ones I have gotten close too landing had that ďskrrtĒ. I just never put the two together.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on July 08, 2020, 04:25:26 AM
I've developed a bad habit of tensing my toes and pointing them down on flip tricks after flicking and as I land. Makes the possibility of an ankle roll much higher. Trying to get out of it. Last session I didn't even bother flipping my board. Anyone else developed this habit?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 08, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
A few months ago they repaved my neighborhood and itís a super smooth ride now. Iíve just been trying to cruise around switch and get a good switch push going. If I get my front foot position just right then I can fly around, but if itís off a tiny bit then itís a total disaster. Doing a revert and getting a strong switch push in right after is an amazing feeling. I can do some tail scraps, hopefully a strong ollie by the end of summer.

What about you?

Gnared keep it up. You got this. Up hills is the ticket helps you keep your balance big time.

I am about to go practice my turn around trick for my birthday lines.

 I hope to get switch front pop back 80s looking proper without a fish between the curbs we got.
We was planning on Boston ledges but it's not going to happen.

So I figured to fill the void with tricks into hamburger hill. Going down that switch is gnarly and they're beginning to pave around that area.

My main Manny pad spot is getting new pavement.

One more thing. I've found that painting left handed has greatly increased my switch abilities. Try it it out might help you too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 08, 2020, 09:56:36 AM
I've developed a bad habit of tensing my toes and pointing them down on flip tricks after flicking and as I land. Makes the possibility of an ankle roll much higher. Trying to get out of it. Last session I didn't even bother flipping my board. Anyone else developed this habit?

I didn't realize I started doing this until I just read your reply now. I haven't rolled my ankle but have had some pain because of it. Maybe just reminding yourself to stay loose after your flick/pop would help
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 08, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Thom on July 08, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
Usually thatís because youíre not popping as hard switch as you are regular, and youíre relying on the drag rather than the pop to complete the trick

I suck at switch but I lost my nollies when I first skated a pair of dunks and that ended up being the culprit
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 08, 2020, 02:02:47 PM
How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.

just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 08, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
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How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
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just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.

I actually had this same thought when I was skating today, like, "maybe I should skate something steeper". I love flat boards but have also been a vulc person since like 2005.

Anyway, I spent some time after work just doing switch ollies and realized that putting my foot further towards the nose (but still keeping my other foot in the usual spot) it kind of made them pop a little better. But I still think I want to try something with a steeper concave.

@Thom it was weird, not even ghost pop like that but almost like some weird timing thing.

Edit: it won't let me tag the right Thom
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Baswell Cerry on July 08, 2020, 04:24:28 PM
Fucking trying to air on a quarter. Like I've watched dudes do it a thousand times asked think i can, but when I'm on the wall I can't even fathom how to get up!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 08, 2020, 04:49:23 PM
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How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
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just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.
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I actually had this same thought when I was skating today, like, "maybe I should skate something steeper". I love flat boards but have also been a vulc person since like 2005.

Anyway, I spent some time after work just doing switch ollies and realized that putting my foot further towards the nose (but still keeping my other foot in the usual spot) it kind of made them pop a little better. But I still think I want to try something with a steeper concave.

@Thom it was weird, not even ghost pop like that but almost like some weird timing thing.

Edit: it won't let me tag the right Thom

Yea I feel that, my rationale for it is that with thick shoes + steep concave or thin shoes + mellow concave, the amount of concave you effectively feel under your feet is about the same.

Could be worth a try, but I'm not sure its going to be a game changer. I've never gone out of my way to buy boards with deeper dishes because my shoes are stiff its just something I casually notice sometimes.

If you find cupsoles less grippy, and don't already skate mob, maybe switching to mob could help? idk
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 08, 2020, 05:57:41 PM
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How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
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just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.
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I actually had this same thought when I was skating today, like, "maybe I should skate something steeper". I love flat boards but have also been a vulc person since like 2005.

Anyway, I spent some time after work just doing switch ollies and realized that putting my foot further towards the nose (but still keeping my other foot in the usual spot) it kind of made them pop a little better. But I still think I want to try something with a steeper concave.

@Thom it was weird, not even ghost pop like that but almost like some weird timing thing.

Edit: it won't let me tag the right Thom
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Yea I feel that, my rationale for it is that with thick shoes + steep concave or thin shoes + mellow concave, the amount of concave you effectively feel under your feet is about the same.

Could be worth a try, but I'm not sure its going to be a game changer. I've never gone out of my way to buy boards with deeper dishes because my shoes are stiff its just something I casually notice sometimes.

If you find cupsoles less grippy, and don't already skate mob, maybe switching to mob could help? idk

It makes sense. And game changer or not, I generally seek out the flattest boards possible so getting something steeper to try is going to be less work. I've considered mob but honestly part of the reason I'm on cupsoles is because I'll wear through a vulc sole in 2-3 weeks max. I feel like the grip thing is something I could get used to.

But yeah, going to see if something steeper works.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on July 09, 2020, 02:49:48 PM
Just to echo a similar sentiment:

I have some Liberty Cups which are just now getting nice and broken in (6 months later lol) and I had some really great sessions on my steep kick/Ace set-up but i was getting so frustrated on my flat/Venture set-up. In the middle of my flatground session the other day I switched over to a thinner shoe (Legacy Slim) and everything was clicking again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 09, 2020, 05:25:57 PM
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I've developed a bad habit of tensing my toes and pointing them down on flip tricks after flicking and as I land. Makes the possibility of an ankle roll much higher. Trying to get out of it. Last session I didn't even bother flipping my board. Anyone else developed this habit?
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I didn't realize I started doing this until I just read your reply now. I haven't rolled my ankle but have had some pain because of it. Maybe just reminding yourself to stay loose after your flick/pop would help

This would explain why my ankles feel all loose and weird. I assumed they were sore.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MarxLenin on July 09, 2020, 08:27:23 PM
Trying to do all my tricks from Ollie stance
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on July 09, 2020, 09:44:58 PM
Half cab crooks.

A few days ago landed 2 out of 70- 85 attempts  >:( >:( >:

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on July 10, 2020, 06:19:34 AM
back three's

Board tends to fly out, i think Im leaning in too much.

Came kinda close to one last night, but havent landed one yet.

Wish me luck.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 12, 2020, 11:59:51 AM
Just to echo a similar sentiment:

I have some Liberty Cups which are just now getting nice and broken in (6 months later lol) and I had some really great sessions on my steep kick/Ace set-up but i was getting so frustrated on my flat/Venture set-up. In the middle of my flatground session the other day I switched over to a thinner shoe (Legacy Slim) and everything was clicking again.

Word, I just got a normal-ish concave board that I'm going to set up and try once this board (DOA flat) is done. I will say I got a lot mores used to it today after having a few days off the board on a camping trip.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 12, 2020, 09:33:43 PM
Tried flip back smith today for a bit. Fuhhhhhh usually ended up getting into 5-0, suski, tail, or lip.... pretty much anything but smith. The ledge I tried on I can back smith every try and the ones I did lock into proper after flipping into stuck and came down way too hard. Definitely getting there, but lots of trial and error and patience, not really a flip in guy.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ShredneyMullen on July 12, 2020, 10:56:51 PM
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A few months ago they repaved my neighborhood and itís a super smooth ride now. Iíve just been trying to cruise around switch and get a good switch push going. If I get my front foot position just right then I can fly around, but if itís off a tiny bit then itís a total disaster. Doing a revert and getting a strong switch push in right after is an amazing feeling. I can do some tail scraps, hopefully a strong ollie by the end of summer.

What about you?
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All of my go to tricks (tre flip laser flip bigspin late kick hardflips 360 inward heels inpossibles primo slides/casper slides/ one foot manny and ledge tricks etc) and every trick I cannot yet do as a go to trick suchas switch fs 360 nollie tre ba 360 kickflip and 360 hardflip.
Basically a bunch of kook ass shit

 My back has been fucked up for three years now which makes
my legs and ankles all fucked up also and that pain in unbearable without drugs but I am finally getting all of my old tricks back super clean again and working on tricks I never got to have down first try, I am very critical on making sure I can do everything first try no matter what it is. Unfortunately I can no longer jump anything bigger than a one block and I can do no more than basic tricks for everything that isnt flatground right now such as rails tranny manuals hips etc. But at least I can do what I can clean again.

shaloma bin laden
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 13, 2020, 04:42:40 AM
Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 13, 2020, 05:10:50 AM
FS tails on ledges and Fs 5050 on rails, for some reason sometimes I dont lock the back truck on the rail or if I do I jump off I can 5050 on ledges so I gets frustrating
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 13, 2020, 05:27:54 AM
FS tails on ledges and Fs 5050 on rails, for some reason sometimes I dont lock the back truck on the rail or if I do I jump off I can 5050 on ledges so I gets frustrating

Over rotate a little so it feels like the heel side wheel is hitting first. Less likely to stick on rails
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Land of the Faust on July 13, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
Trying to get a lazerflip.

I can varial heel pretty well, but I can't make the full 360.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 13, 2020, 09:36:01 AM
Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.

How I think of it is I get in a back tail fakie position while sliding and kinda body varial last second, which helps make the shuv easier. Many times if Iím in a back tail to regs position the board doesnít shuv at all. When doing the shuv give it the tiniest little scoop with back foot too. Also, when I learned it I found it easier to not slide long and do a very quick back tail shuv and as time went on Iíve started to slide them longer.

Also, anyone have tips for kickflip back tails Iím either slipping out, sticking, or the board doesnít follow my feet during the kickflip.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 13, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
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Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.
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How I think of it is I get in a back tail fakie position while sliding and kinda body varial last second, which helps make the shuv easier. Many times if Iím in a back tail to regs position the board doesnít shuv at all. When doing the shuv give it the tiniest little scoop with back foot too. Also, when I learned it I found it easier to not slide long and do a very quick back tail shuv and as time went on Iíve started to slide them longer.

Also, anyone have tips for kickflip back tails Iím either slipping out, sticking, or the board doesnít follow my feet during the kickflip.

For flip back tail, I have my front foot barely on the board, and I flick really aggressively to make it flip as fast as possible, and flick in the direction that you're rotating towards so that the flick kinda rotates the board right into position (So lets say you're regular, rolling North and the ledge is behind you, you kinda wanna pop and flick 'east' almost if that makes sense)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 13, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
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Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.
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How I think of it is I get in a back tail fakie position while sliding and kinda body varial last second, which helps make the shuv easier. Many times if Iím in a back tail to regs position the board doesnít shuv at all. When doing the shuv give it the tiniest little scoop with back foot too. Also, when I learned it I found it easier to not slide long and do a very quick back tail shuv and as time went on Iíve started to slide them longer.

Also, anyone have tips for kickflip back tails Iím either slipping out, sticking, or the board doesnít follow my feet during the kickflip.
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For flip back tail, I have my front foot barely on the board, and I flick really aggressively to make it flip as fast as possible, and flick in the direction that you're rotating towards so that the flick kinda rotates the board right into position (So lets say you're regular, rolling North and the ledge is behind you, you kinda wanna pop and flick 'east' almost if that makes sense)

Thanks man! And that does make sense because I always tried to think of it as a kickflip then turn into the bstail yet, the board usually never followed me. So Iíll give that a shot.
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Post by: ShredneyMullen on July 13, 2020, 02:36:34 PM
Trying to get a lazerflip.

I can varial heel pretty well, but I can't make the full 360.

get the back foot all in the fs pocket and ball of foot in the center of the tail its basically like a fs 360 pressure flip and then your heel you want your toes at a slight angle pointig towards you but not much just a little and have that heel foot a lil above the center of the deck and lean back just before you go to blast it out, dont lean forward before you pop it or youre not gonna do it or only labs shitty ones. lean back if you want a fat clean one. (this trick feels a lot like a big pressure flip, the heel you want to move behind you when you go to flip it, imagine trying to do a switch tre flip while standing i your regular stance, thats basically what it is) hope this helps if you need more tips for this or any trick let me know I can do any trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: toyo980 on July 13, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
Ollie Fs Wallride, I can bs wallride and Im prettt confident going fs in bowls but my mind cant process how to go from an ollie to my board being sideways on the wall
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Post by: d1zzie on July 14, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
varial flips. i think im trying too hard to make it flip the way i want . it popshuvs perfectly around but only flips halfway, so i gotta flick better or something like that lol
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Post by: toyo980 on July 14, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
also how to do tricks fast. What are good ways to approach doing tricks while going really fast I tend to put a lot of pressure on my back foot while doing ollies so I tend to wobble due to my weight being on the back.
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Post by: sKINGraft on July 18, 2020, 03:46:22 AM
trying to learn how to make half a layback air to texas plant look cool
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 18, 2020, 06:30:17 AM
Iím okay at back smiths on transition (I donít do the heel sandbag thing, I can actually grind them) but if I try and hold it for any significant distance my front wheels just turn onto the ramp and they look kinda ugly. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Post by: fraction on July 18, 2020, 08:19:20 AM
Trying to learn big impossibles (Impossible BS180) like a bigspin.
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Post by: dallou on July 19, 2020, 06:50:49 AM
Switch frontside 360
Backside/frontside heel
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Post by: FUBAR on July 19, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Another old man trying to relearn some shit that used to be easy for me:
Fakie flips, half cab flips and if I get on a role, switch flips. If I donít break my hip first. This shit is hard.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: VHS ERA on July 21, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
Iíve accidentally overshot frontside noseslides and got into back 180 nosegrind enough times that I just need to go ahead and learn back 180 nosegrind.

Is it weird that doing it on a high ledge sounds like it would work better than learning on a low ledge or curb? Include be wrong. My accidental one today when I was going for front nose was like knee height ledge. Grinded across it and if I had been planning for it feel like I coulda pulled it out to fakie and landed it. My legs were toast at that point though so Iím gonna try to learn them tomorrow.
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Post by: silhouette on July 26, 2020, 03:15:34 AM
Nollie flip out of nosewheelie - I had just never tried it before till yesterday. I usually spend my time doing variations of stuff I can already do or relearning old tricks, so starting fresh with a new maneuver actually felt really cool. Was just landing on my first few and starting to figure it out when a family took over the park and brought in a dozen of loud brats on scooters and bikes running amok who quickly made it impossible to be patient, but I'm psyched to actually learn it soon. Experimenting with different types of weight distribution for the nollie flip out especially felt funny because I love nollie flips yet this felt like a new dimension to them.

What I wish I understood is how people do nollie 360 flip out of nosewheelie though. I can nollie 360 shove out of nosewheelie and nollie 360 flip on flat and down small stuff just fine but the pairing of both tricks the way I do them still seems rather foreign.
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Post by: tzhangdox on July 26, 2020, 05:06:08 AM
Iíve accidentally overshot frontside noseslides and got into back 180 nosegrind enough times that I just need to go ahead and learn back 180 nosegrind.

Is it weird that doing it on a high ledge sounds like it would work better than learning on a low ledge or curb? Include be wrong. My accidental one today when I was going for front nose was like knee height ledge. Grinded across it and if I had been planning for it feel like I coulda pulled it out to fakie and landed it. My legs were toast at that point though so Iím gonna try to learn them tomorrow.

180 nosegrinds are definitely easier on something thats got some height to it, super hard to space and aim it on something tiny.
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Post by: silhouette on July 26, 2020, 05:13:36 AM
Backside 180 nosegrinds clicked for me as soon as I started thinking of them as alley-oop nosepicks on the ledge if that makes any sense. With the momentum you'll start grinding as soon as you lock in anyway and then the dismount is rather automatic.

By clicked for me, I mean for a few weeks tops, I haven't even just tried that trick in a bit but I had become acceptable at it for the short time I managed to keep it.
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Post by: VHS ERA on July 27, 2020, 04:14:29 PM
For once things actually went like I thought they would. Landed my first back 180 nosegrind ever the day after that post. Was a pretty short little bonk though. This week I try to get a proper one.
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Post by: consumer on July 27, 2020, 09:28:17 PM
i started skating again after a five or so year hiatus through college and the tricks im learning are ankle stretches, 25 minutes sessions, fat and old tre flip, and alcohol intake management with a side of transgender stuff like finding stuff in my size that is good to skate in. vans womens has been killing it lately with skate oriented stuff in bigger sizes and its sick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on July 27, 2020, 10:47:42 PM
i started skating again after a five or so year hiatus through college and the tricks im learning are ankle stretches, 25 minutes sessions, fat and old tre flip, and alcohol intake management with a side of transgender stuff like finding stuff in my size that is good to skate in. vans womens has been killing it lately with skate oriented stuff in bigger sizes and its sick.

Check out Dr Kyle Brown on IG, his stretching, strength and conditioning and rehab exercises really helped me get back on the board last year after not skating for around 5 years. My ankles had horrible flexibility and I could only do mobbed kickflips. The ankle workouts with the resistance bands helped me get them semi-decent and are also good for rehab during the inevitable ankle tweak (flat feet).
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Post by: Paperclip20 on August 06, 2020, 06:01:53 AM
Backside blunt on a ledge. Anyone have advice on this one? So far I have "landed" two of them where I locked in and got out of the ledge but i'm not sliding, even if I wax up the ledge pretty good. I am assuming I might be leaning to far forward which would make me stick instead of slide
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Post by: Skatebeard on August 06, 2020, 09:44:56 AM
Switch BS 360 pop shuvs...I'm so close i can almost taste it, just need to commit the front foot.

Also working on fakie bs flips, and switch and regular bigspins both ways... can crank them out nollie and fakie no bother, but switch and regs deffo seem way harder for me for whatever reason.
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Post by: wrTcHDfKN4nTZ on August 07, 2020, 01:31:47 AM
Right now I'm trying to learn a bunch of frontside tricks I've never really understood but just sorta figured out how they work recently, front heel flips, front big spins and big heels, varial heels, and back heels which I've been working on for ages, a lot of my issues for all these right now is just committing. it's so annoying at this point, majority of my attempts arent lands just because I'm bitching it with one foot or the other.

Switch BS 360 pop shuvs...I'm so close i can almost taste it, just need to commit the front foot.

Also working on fakie bs flips, and switch and regular bigspins both ways... can crank them out nollie and fakie no bother, but switch and regs deffo seem way harder for me for whatever reason.

The advice that helped me for back big spins was to have your back foot to kind of be in a similar position to a tre flip but not hanging off as much, just slightly and also flat when you pop, the main thing though is keeping your front foot out of the way, or lifting it up, when you pop and rotate like you would for an impossible
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Post by: VHS Fisheye on August 11, 2020, 09:20:28 PM
bs 360 shuvs, frontside heelflips & manual reverts
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Post by: peptobismol on August 12, 2020, 12:25:06 AM
im learning how to forgive myself.
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Post by: Benchpress on August 12, 2020, 02:27:34 AM
im learning how to forgive myself.

This hits hard. I sometimes forget why I started skating, I end up pulling my hair out over not getting some obscure trick. Sometimes it's nice to remember I'm just a human, I'm not going to improve leaps and bounds daily. Just push around and chill.
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Post by: SlapRhaters on August 12, 2020, 06:07:03 PM
How to be nicer when i go to skate parks, i skate street 99% of the time so i'm not use to them.. I just like to be alone and do my thing but every park i go to i end up annoyed and act like a dick.

a couple days ago i was recovering from a heel bruise which is why i went to the park so i was just doing switch tricks on a low ledge that i suck at the entire sesh, a pretty good ripper showed up ( i respect him and honestly wish it was just us at the park as we both have a mutual respect to leave each other alone except for when one of us lights a joint) and was killing the euro to ledge with fs smith, nosegrind first try. I was stoked for him but there was another skater that was losing his mind over the guys ledge tricks and even looking at me EVERY SINGLE time the dude landed a trick trying to have a "holy fuck " moment together with me. Eventually i couldn't stand it so i went and back smithed the ledge first try and just stared at him as i rode away straight to my backpack and out of the park.

Also its not even that he may have assumed the other skater was better then me and i took offence, that's not it at all, if a skater is better or even almost as good as me i have a HUGE level of respect for them,

it's the fact that smith and nose grinds are basic tricks, Why are you so impressed? it's embarrassing and i've literally seen the ripper do fs smith kickflips out on it as well so maybe if this super impressed skater amazed by nose grinds actually spent more time out skating he would would know it was nothing for the guy, let alone impressive enough to look at me and try to share a " holy fuck " moment 7 times.

tldr? I hate " skaters" people who claim to love skating but are trash at it and think every trick is impressive because they never worked hard enough themselves at the thing they " love " to realize how easy or hard a trick is.
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Post by: MarxLenin on August 12, 2020, 07:47:48 PM
Fs 360 shuv. Please help
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Post by: peptobismol on August 12, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
Fs 360 shuv. Please help
watch some devine calloway
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Post by: Uncle Flea on August 12, 2020, 07:50:46 PM
Trying to learn big impossibles (Impossible BS180) like a bigspin.

I feel big flips are a must have for practice. Idk. That was way easier for me than Tre at one time. Impossible has always been easy. Adding a backside 180 is kind of difficult obviously. The board wants to leave your feet if you start to move your legs too soon.

 I open my shoulders just to get a little wind up i scoop and By the time the board hits my front foot my upper body is in full back 80 motion.

Then you got the option of dropping slow with like a casual 45į twist on the front bolts. Back foot I Think like Michael Jackson dropping his hat into his gloved hand doing that freeze. Twist your toe like a boxer pointing you heel south.
Like a switch hesh rock and roll style. 

Best option is pull it up and pull it around with your bear traps you legend swinging your arms King Tut while it's sucked up. Point your hand down where you want to board to land then stomp that shit with authority all pow when people are watching you at the skatepark.

This is a good into things trick. Hills wedges bumps. Off the a frame. A fatty too flatty is potential board breaker for me.

Actually the main problem with this trick is it leaving your foot in the first parts and looking like a bad 540 shuv thing half front body varial. Mai rattling around in between your knees or cracking off on your Achilles tendon.

Either way it looks like you never skated before.



I'm ultra stoned if this this insanity

  Oh rolling your ankle is real easy with pivoting off bolts if you don't break nose off board

To listen to hills that are really slick and old.
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Post by: Uncle Flea on August 12, 2020, 08:03:19 PM
Fs 360 shuv. Please help

I think they're easier switch but I put my Poppin foot in the pocket like duck footed (little toes off opposite of Tre) with my heel dug into the rail next to Bolts above the wheel I pop and I scoop but forward more
 
The dug in heel is a guide the board out in front of you.and gets part of your foot inside the WB.

Front foot is flat. I line my heel up with the edge of the board should be pretty close to square with the heel. Toes off is better than heels off whatever puts you close to center but you can keep your whole foot flat on the tape because it's going to move towards your toes for the stomp.

See the bolts it should be Right underneath you not to the side not behind you should be right underneath you it's a really fast trick when you have the heel dug in.

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Post by: Hyliannightmare on August 12, 2020, 09:53:13 PM
Lip slide on mini
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Post by: matty_c on August 16, 2020, 08:44:38 PM
Fs nollie to sw manny. Just on a curb high pad. I wecked a few, I havenít done one yet
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Post by: rocklobster on August 16, 2020, 09:16:19 PM
Front Crooks, Back 5-0 and Fakie Nosegrind on a much taller ledge than I'm used to.

The Front Crook will take some work, only learned them earlier this year but I can't get the angle and height to lock the truck in crooked. Feels different from a Back Crook where you can 1/2 ass your ollie into the grind.

For Back 5-0 its a confidence thing; not 100% on my Back 50 on the ledge yet.

Ate shit on a Fakie Nosegrind yesterday, too much weight on the back truck and I slipped out.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on August 17, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Bs smiths have just been killing me, I don't even feel close.
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Post by: Peepeeboy69 on August 19, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
im trying to flip into fs 5050

How do you make the kickflip turn frontside? Ive been trying to visualize like ollie over the ledge, then flicking away from the ledge but it works pretty shittily

I haven't really changed my foot position from a regular flatground kf other than moving my back foot heelside like a fs shuv-ish

Today I did flip into like a shitty ledge feeble ish thing and rolled away. I'm happy to have flipped into some grind kind of but afterwards it only made me more frustrated that I didn't just turn the board like 10 more degrees and actually do the trick
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Post by: Adriii on August 19, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
-Frontside crooked 270 out.
- slappys 5050s. dont understand slappys
- proper sw heels.
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Post by: silhouette on August 20, 2020, 01:37:38 AM
im trying to flip into fs 5050

How do you make the kickflip turn frontside? Ive been trying to visualize like ollie over the ledge, then flicking away from the ledge but it works pretty shittily

I haven't really changed my foot position from a regular flatground kf other than moving my back foot heelside like a fs shuv-ish

I don't really do that trick anymore but those used to be easier than kickflip backside 50-50 for me, I remember I'd just think of it as a normal 50-50 but add the kickflip flick at the peak of the ollie. You're not supposed to have it turn frontside nor flick away from the ledge, just align yourself with the ledge like you would ollieing into the 50-50 but with a bit more pop so that the board has no chance of hitting the obstacle while flipping and don't think about how it's going to leave your foot, just extend the motion and flick through the nose like you would for a good kickflip. Visualize it as if you wanted to kickflip up the obstacle like it's a big curb except you go at such an angle that both your trucks catch the edge when you land on top if that makes sense. Trying to turn frontside will most likely fuck up your alignment in relation to the obstacle.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 20, 2020, 09:47:12 AM
Front Crooks, Back 5-0 and Fakie Nosegrind on a much taller ledge than I'm used to.

The Front Crook will take some work, only learned them earlier this year but I can't get the angle and height to lock the truck in crooked. Feels different from a Back Crook where you can 1/2 ass your ollie into the grind.

For Back 5-0 its a confidence thing; not 100% on my Back 50 on the ledge yet.

Ate shit on a Fakie Nosegrind yesterday, too much weight on the back truck and I slipped out.

Yo @silhouette you got any tips for:
FS / BS Fakie Nosegrinds
Noseslide 270 out (for regular and 1/2 cab in)
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Post by: silhouette on August 20, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
I only really do fakie nosegrinds frontside, I'm not big into fakie backside ledge tricks. There's no real secret to that one honestly if you can fakie 50-50, you just do the same thing but land off instead of centered, pushing down on the nose. It's a pretty self-explanatory trick, there's very little technique. Nollie 5-0's work the same. It's easier than fakie nosemanny too when it comes to balancing it because of how you lock in. Just gotta figure out how not to slip out.

Noseslide 270 out I can only do with the 270 going with the original rotation, not against (so the easiest variation). If that's the one you have in mind then those are all in the wind-up (personally I trick my brain into thinking I'm about to go for a 360 step hop because I'm used to that trick), slappy is easier because you can just jam the nose onto the ledge and instantly use the momentum to launch a pop out. In a way I just think of them as frontside 360 nollies on flat except there's a noseslide somewhere in there that you pop off. If you want to do them fully in the air then having a decent switch backside 180 probably helps because when you're doing it right, it feels like you're kind of popping a switch backside 180'ing down the ledge, just off an unpractical position. I always disliked trying and even just seeing the noseslide 270's going the other way. I can do those weird straight-on slappy nose (approaching perpendicular, so no slide) then quick nollie b/s 180 out on obstacles but can't seem to replicate the motion out of an actual noseslide - I can see how it's supposed to work but the feel is off to me. I've been playing around with attempts at noseslide to back lips and even just getting that little rotation is tough.

Also for tricks out of halfcab noseslides in general, I just pretend I'm doing the trick out of a regular noseslide. Ideally it's the exact same shit once you're locked in so there's no reason why anything should change, it's just the roll-up that's different.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 20, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
I only really do fakie nosegrinds frontside, I'm not big into fakie backside ledge tricks. There's no real secret to that one honestly if you can fakie 50-50, you just do the same thing but land off instead of centered, pushing down on the nose. It's a pretty self-explanatory trick, there's very little technique. Nollie 5-0's work the same. It's easier than fakie nosemanny too when it comes to balancing it because of how you lock in. Just gotta figure out how not to slip out.

Noseslide 270 out I can only do with the 270 going with the original rotation, not against (so the easiest variation). If that's the one you have in mind then those are all in the wind-up (personally I trick my brain into thinking I'm about to go for a 360 step hop because I'm used to that trick), slappy is easier because you can just jam the nose onto the ledge and instantly use the momentum to launch a pop out. In a way I just think of them as frontside 360 nollies on flat except there's a noseslide somewhere in there that you pop off. If you want to do them fully in the air then having a decent switch backside 180 probably helps because when you're doing it right, it feels like you're kind of popping a switch backside 180'ing down the ledge, just off an unpractical position. I always disliked trying and even just seeing the noseslide 270's going the other way. I can do those weird straight-on slappy nose (approaching perpendicular, so no slide) then quick nollie b/s 180 out on obstacles but can't seem to replicate the motion out of an actual noseslide - I can see how it's supposed to work but the feel is off to me. I've been playing around with attempts at noseslide to back lips and even just getting that little rotation is tough.

Also for tricks out of halfcab noseslides in general, I just pretend I'm doing the trick out of a regular noseslide. Ideally it's the exact same shit once you're locked in so there's no reason why anything should change, it's just the roll-up that's different.

Thanks man, always appreciate the insightful responses. Thinking of it as doing a Nollie 270 out is helpful, though my Nollie 180s are terrible as it is.
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Post by: silhouette on August 20, 2020, 10:27:56 AM
Yeah honestly I'd recommend just working on popping out of noseslides in general because it's a whole lot of fun. I first started learning those because of the classic Rob Welsh clips of course but also because of Lui Araki and Dom Henry who have insane ones (Dom can even do noseslide melons as a joke) and once you start doing them like that you can't go back. That's also easier to do from slappy because of how the momentum works. Then once you've figured out the timing (even if it's on small pop outs) I reckon it should be easy to spin an extra 270 (or 180 then 90 degrees of revert if you're short on air time) whichever your preferred way is. What I was saying about halfcab noseslides ideally working just like noseslides also applies here so once you know how to do it you can also replicate the motion out of those and then I guess go with the flow if you feel like adding rotations.

I think for a bit I had better frontside 360 nollies than I had frontside 180 nollies, the key for those is to nest your feet real deep in the concave and then you just use the big toe on your front foot to pop into the rotation. I feel like nollie 180's work just a little bit differently because you can't use as much momentum on the jump so you really have to focus on getting a good nollie motion instead, 360's you can just throw around. Actually I just remembered the first flatground 360 nollie I ever got on film in a line (back in like 2003) was essentially a 360 shove-it with a 360 body varial and no feet touching, haha.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 20, 2020, 08:19:53 PM
Yeah honestly I'd recommend just working on popping out of noseslides in general because it's a whole lot of fun. I first started learning those because of the classic Rob Welsh clips of course but also because of Lui Araki and Dom Henry who have insane ones (Dom can even do noseslide melons as a joke) and once you start doing them like that you can't go back. That's also easier to do from slappy because of how the momentum works. Then once you've figured out the timing (even if it's on small pop outs) I reckon it should be easy to spin an extra 270 (or 180 then 90 degrees of revert if you're short on air time) whichever your preferred way is. What I was saying about halfcab noseslides ideally working just like noseslides also applies here so once you know how to do it you can also replicate the motion out of those and then I guess go with the flow if you feel like adding rotations.

I think for a bit I had better frontside 360 nollies than I had frontside 180 nollies, the key for those is to nest your feet real deep in the concave and then you just use the big toe on your front foot to pop into the rotation. I feel like nollie 180's work just a little bit differently because you can't use as much momentum on the jump so you really have to focus on getting a good nollie motion instead, 360's you can just throw around. Actually I just remembered the first flatground 360 nollie I ever got on film in a line (back in like 2003) was essentially a 360 shove-it with a 360 body varial and no feet touching, haha.

Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?
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Post by: pinche gringo on August 20, 2020, 08:29:52 PM
Confidence.
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Post by: shmazz on August 20, 2020, 08:49:26 PM
Just your regular good ol' kickflip. Been putting them off for a while now because I didn't feel like I was ready to go for it, but right now I'm trying to get the flicking motion just right. Feeling pretty confident about landing one before the year is over.  :)
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Post by: Ray C. Usery on August 20, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
Just your regular good ol' kickflip. Been putting them off for a while now because I didn't feel like I was ready to go for it, but right now I'm trying to get the flicking motion just right. Feeling pretty confident about landing one before the year is over.  :)

Do them off a curb or a 2 stair it gives you more time to land on them. At least that's how I learned them. I still have trouble getting my back foot on. My hop skills are not too good.

Also let your nose do the flick for you. It's just an ollie that you kinda slide your kick to the side of you nose
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Post by: silhouette on August 21, 2020, 01:07:40 AM
Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?

Yeah it's just that (so barely a secret really), it's the same motion as when you drop in onto something but pop instead of just slamming the front wheels down, just switch and with momentum basically. Ideally your weight should be fully distributed over the nose for noseslides so it's easy, you just release some pressure for a very brief moment by transferring some force over the other leg (just enough not to fall off the ledge), then counter that and kind of spring out. The motion was always natural for me because I used to do those straight-on nose presses on curbs I was mentioning as a kid (not going up the curb, I could never do that - just jamming the nose coming in perpendicular then backside nollieing out). You could probably figure out the basic motion easily by just trying it on curbs a few times, then once you're comfortable with the timing and idea it kinda becomes second nature to apply it to your noseslide dismounts.
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Post by: Shagohod on August 21, 2020, 05:50:39 PM
working on heelflips. But being an old short asian guy, the threat of popsicling/credit carding my anus has been real.

next up is nollies and skating switch.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 21, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
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Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?
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Yeah it's just that (so barely a secret really), it's the same motion as when you drop in onto something but pop instead of just slamming the front wheels down, just switch and with momentum basically. Ideally your weight should be fully distributed over the nose for noseslides so it's easy, you just release some pressure for a very brief moment by transferring some force over the other leg (just enough not to fall off the ledge), then counter that and kind of spring out. The motion was always natural for me because I used to do those straight-on nose presses on curbs I was mentioning as a kid (not going up the curb, I could never do that - just jamming the nose coming in perpendicular then backside nollieing out). You could probably figure out the basic motion easily by just trying it on curbs a few times, then once you're comfortable with the timing and idea it kinda becomes second nature to apply it to your noseslide dismounts.

Managed to get 1 going today, speed definitely helped. Feels better than just flopping off the end like I usually do.

Working on getting front crooks more consistent, they are such a fun trick when you get the pinch in right. Feels easier on a slightly taller ledge, I always overshoot the top when trying on a shorter ledge.

Edit - good ledge session this weekend made me think about trying other tricks I've missed out over the years. Stuff like FS 1/2 Cab Noseslides, 1/2 Cab Crook, FS Fakie 5-0 and BS Fakie Nosegrind. Anyone ravioli ravioli and can show me the formuoli?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sketchyrider on August 31, 2020, 01:56:49 PM
whoever said 360 flips are all in the back foot, you're full of shit, but thanks for helping me learn 360 shuvs.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on September 01, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
Nollie flips...pretty tricky despite having regular and fakie flips down, decided to learn them to give my recently rolled leading ankle a rest.

I can spin the board the full rotation but reckon i'm a few lengthy sessions away from landing one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on September 01, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
whoever said 360 flips are all in the back foot, you're full of shit, but thanks for helping me learn 360 shuvs.
i know what you mean lol but you do have to do most of the work with your back foot. I can't really talk because I haven't learned them yet but I've noticed I always get closer when keeping weight on the back foot and making changes to back foot positioning or how I scoop.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hombreezy on September 01, 2020, 04:47:54 PM
whoever said 360 flips are all in the back foot, you're full of shit, but thanks for helping me learn 360 shuvs.
Tre flips are 99.99% back foot on flat unless youíre going down stairs, then itís 70% back foot 30% front foot. Iím on the other side of the spectrum I guess, I never understood how people can scoop bigspins so good without them flipping. Impossible are all about timing for me and I donít scoop it near as diagonal under me as I do for tre flips
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sketchyrider on September 01, 2020, 06:07:13 PM
I hear yall, i got the flip down but i had to jump forward which is a sign of needing more work. Its close. It really is mostly back foot, just not 100%.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Thomas on September 02, 2020, 02:43:55 AM
FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 02, 2020, 07:41:25 AM
FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjH2iPexxY

This video helped me get the pinch on my FS Crooks, don't get lazy with the pop so you get high enough above the ledge to slot your truck in. Stick your foot in the pocket between the nose and bolts, keeping that pressure on. Speed also helps loads.
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Post by: Thomas on September 03, 2020, 01:17:55 AM
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FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjH2iPexxY

This video helped me get the pinch on my FS Crooks, don't get lazy with the pop so you get high enough above the ledge to slot your truck in. Stick your foot in the pocket between the nose and bolts, keeping that pressure on. Speed also helps loads.

I got some decent ones yesterday and the feeling was amazing.
I'm still doing most of them to fakie.

I need to improve a lot, but a few weeks ago this was completely impossible to even thinking about it so I guess I'm on the right way. Thanks for the video, it will hep a lot !
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 03, 2020, 01:59:01 AM
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FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjH2iPexxY

This video helped me get the pinch on my FS Crooks, don't get lazy with the pop so you get high enough above the ledge to slot your truck in. Stick your foot in the pocket between the nose and bolts, keeping that pressure on. Speed also helps loads.
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I got some decent ones yesterday and the feeling was amazing.
I'm still doing most of them to fakie.

I need to improve a lot, but a few weeks ago this was completely impossible to even thinking about it so I guess I'm on the right way. Thanks for the video, it will hep a lot !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT7Igmn7TI

James Craig's got a really solid pinch on his trick, his explanation of where you push your truck and pressure in with your foot was really helpful to me.

My bucket list is getting longer throughout the week:
270 out of noseslides
FS 1/2 Cab Noseslide
BS 5-0 (lost this trick, dammit)
FS Tailslides (lost this trick too)
BS 180 Nosegrinds
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 03, 2020, 02:18:45 AM
FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...

People who can only come fakie out of f/s noseslides usually have the bad habit of turning and leaning into the trick, so in the end what they're really doing is backside 180 with some ledge assist. For straight front nose you barely even use your shoulders (you'll be looking over them anyway), you approach the obstacle parallel and just extend those legs, it's really mostly your hips doing the work in a way really similar to a shifty ollie with a pause. Now I don't really do frontside crooked grinds but the few times I've bothered with that trick coming out of it felt really similar to coming out of front nose regs, the motion feels similar regardless of whether or not your truck is on, you just bring the hips back.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Thomas on September 04, 2020, 07:29:10 AM
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FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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People who can only come fakie out of f/s noseslides usually have the bad habit of turning and leaning into the trick, so in the end what they're really doing is backside 180 with some ledge assist. For straight front nose you barely even use your shoulders (you'll be looking over them anyway), you approach the obstacle parallel and just extend those legs, it's really mostly your hips doing the work in a way really similar to a shifty ollie with a pause. Now I don't really do frontside crooked grinds but the few times I've bothered with that trick coming out of it felt really similar to coming out of front nose regs, the motion feels similar regardless of whether or not your truck is on, you just bring the hips back.

That is exactly what I do, and for now this is the only way I got them to slide for a long distance.
Thanks for the tips though, I'm working on those two tricks because as you said I think I will eventually unlock them both.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 05, 2020, 02:45:19 AM
Yeah my pleasure, I think one thing I forgot to emphasize is your shoulders are what's going to make the difference, for front nose fakie you'll be kinda tucking your leading arm in to accompany the rotation whereas for straight front nose you'll keep your upper body in its original axis a bit more, which is why thinking of it as a shifty sort of trick works (even if you can't do actually shifties, just the motion and basic principle). Thinking about it, that's also exactly the thought that helped me break out of the habit of coming out of sw crooks regs a while back - convince yourself it's a straight trick and there is no rotation/180, so you pop straight (coming at a slight angle or not), then just your lower body guides the board into the position and that's it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chpsk8 on September 05, 2020, 07:46:59 PM
ollieing the hip of a pyramid. Can't seem to get it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 05, 2020, 08:18:06 PM
Working on tricks out of manuals, I get shuvits to spin but havenít been able to catch them. Whatís the secret to doing tricks out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 05, 2020, 08:33:39 PM
Working on tricks out of manuals, I get shuvits to spin but havenít been able to catch them. Whatís the secret to doing tricks out.

The more you'll focus on the shove-it the more the board is likely to get away from you. Noticed that just the other day while trying to teach a local kid f/s shove out of manny, he was really trying hard for the rotation at first then suddenly got a lot better after I told him to just pop straight down. Practice ollies out of manny for a bit, I'd say, those are really fun (in addition to being the proper way of doing the trick, it's just a continuation of the motion IMO), will get you into the right habits and open a lot of doors.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 05, 2020, 08:37:23 PM
Fakie big spin flips. I'm old. I know fakie big spins are illegal but I've been doing them for over 30 years and I can do half-cab flips. I've seen Chico do the fakie big spin flip and I think its achievable for this mid-40s asshole.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 05, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Fakie big spin flips. I'm old. I know fakie big spins are illegal but I've been doing them for over 30 years and I can do half-cab flips. I've seen Chico do the fakie big spin flip and I think its achievable for this mid-40s asshole.

Fakie big flips are sick, I keep doing them because of PJ Ladd. Think of them as halfcab varial flips if you can varial kickflip and you're golden. Honestly halfcab flips might actually be harder to control, so you've got this.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 05, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
I appreciate the encouragement and tips!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfrontshuv on September 05, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
- nollie fs shuv manual
I can get em on super short Manny pads (like under 4 feet) but ive been trying em at a skatepark and theyre fucking hard
- fs flips off stuff
scary
- popping out of crooks
either happens and feels amazing or doesnt
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on September 06, 2020, 02:01:45 AM
Fs and switch fs big spins.

I'm off flip tricks for the moment so want to work on my big spin game.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 07, 2020, 03:55:42 AM
kinda wanna do this, checked it out the other day bit bigger than expected

(https://i.imgur.com/20U9nFj.gif)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 01:13:32 AM
1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 01:27:48 AM
1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.

should be fine if you just turn more and pop a bit higher, its pretty mechanically similar to half cab noses.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 08, 2020, 02:54:00 AM
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1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.
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should be fine if you just turn more and pop a bit higher, its pretty mechanically similar to half cab noses.

I find that both of you guys' impressions are true and complementary of one another, the motion definitely feels very similar to halfcab nose because you're popping off the same tail and turning the same direction to lock into quite the similar position then dismount regs but what rocklobster says is also true, what either makes a halfcab k or turns it into a halfcab nose for me is that very thought that I actually have to get the heel on my front foot over the edge of the ledge and sit on it to crush the truck. It's really the same difference as between basic noseslides and crooked grinds except you pop into it differently. Gotta focus on where exactly you want your foot to guide the nose, and maybe on actually getting a proper, leveled out halfcab if you're aiming for k grind (as opposed to how you can just kind of turn into halfcab nose) so that you actually get your front truck up there. Your shoulders should be ahead of the trick too so when you lock into the k grind your upper body already is in its usual k grind position and you can treat the rest of the trick just as such. It's a bit similar to halfcab nosemanny too so one might help you with the other.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 09:41:03 AM
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1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.
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should be fine if you just turn more and pop a bit higher, its pretty mechanically similar to half cab noses.
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I find that both of you guys' impressions are true and complementary of one another, the motion definitely feels very similar to halfcab nose because you're popping off the same tail and turning the same direction to lock into quite the similar position then dismount regs but what rocklobster says is also true, what either makes a halfcab k or turns it into a halfcab nose for me is that very thought that I actually have to get the heel on my front foot over the edge of the ledge and sit on it to crush the truck. It's really the same difference as between basic noseslides and crooked grinds except you pop into it differently. Gotta focus on where exactly you want your foot to guide the nose, and maybe on actually getting a proper, leveled out halfcab if you're aiming for k grind (as opposed to how you can just kind of turn into halfcab nose) so that you actually get your front truck up there. Your shoulders should be ahead of the trick too so when you lock into the k grind your upper body already is in its usual k grind position and you can treat the rest of the trick just as such. It's a bit similar to halfcab nosemanny too so one might help you with the other.

Knowledge bombs as usual, very shalom. I've been half assing my 1/2 can noseslides and just slapping them on instead of getting a solid pop coupled with baseplate contact. I got a flat ground session tomorrow so I'll use that to work on my neglected fakie tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
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Yeah honestly I'd recommend just working on popping out of noseslides in general because it's a whole lot of fun. I first started learning those because of the classic Rob Welsh clips of course but also because of Lui Araki and Dom Henry who have insane ones (Dom can even do noseslide melons as a joke) and once you start doing them like that you can't go back. That's also easier to do from slappy because of how the momentum works. Then once you've figured out the timing (even if it's on small pop outs) I reckon it should be easy to spin an extra 270 (or 180 then 90 degrees of revert if you're short on air time) whichever your preferred way is. What I was saying about halfcab noseslides ideally working just like noseslides also applies here so once you know how to do it you can also replicate the motion out of those and then I guess go with the flow if you feel like adding rotations.

I think for a bit I had better frontside 360 nollies than I had frontside 180 nollies, the key for those is to nest your feet real deep in the concave and then you just use the big toe on your front foot to pop into the rotation. I feel like nollie 180's work just a little bit differently because you can't use as much momentum on the jump so you really have to focus on getting a good nollie motion instead, 360's you can just throw around. Actually I just remembered the first flatground 360 nollie I ever got on film in a line (back in like 2003) was essentially a 360 shove-it with a 360 body varial and no feet touching, haha.
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Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?

one thing that helps is when you get into the noseslide try get your back foot a little more in the middle of the board rather than on the back bolts or wherever they usually are, helps with giving ur back foot some room to slide like a nollie.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 08, 2020, 11:42:57 AM
Knowledge bombs as usual, very shalom. I've been half assing my 1/2 can noseslides and just slapping them on instead of getting a solid pop coupled with baseplate contact. I got a flat ground session tomorrow so I'll use that to work on my neglected fakie tricks.

My pleasure, I'm not certain you even need to work on your halfcab nose for halfcab k because thinking halfcab nose for halfcab k is the best way to end up locking in with your weight off the side of the ledge as opposed to well on top (which is what you want to do like a normal k grind), if anything it may actually good that you're used to the lazy ones because it'll help you differentiate both tricks, you can't really be lazy on the pop of halfcab k as you want your front truck to actually clear the top so it should feel like something new. I think your best bet is to just think of it as a normal crooked grind that you're rolling up to weird, and the halfcab is just what happens to be what you do to rectify your stance upon entry. Also you shouldn't be scared to commit because not much can go wrong with that trick in my opinion, if you miss the edge on the crooked grind it's easy to just run out of the trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Allen. on September 08, 2020, 03:24:46 PM
Trying to regain muscle memory / confidence on tricks I had but let go. It's tough.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 05:57:51 PM
Been trying switch flips for months now and am so ridiculously close. I just canít put both feet on for the life of me. Only one or the other. Itís making me want to pull my hair out at this point. Iím otherwise pretty good at switch so I always thought it wouldíve came way easier. Starting to lose hope

This was me around the start of lockdown. Decent at switch in general, but couldn't get close to switch/nollie flips for shit. Tried for years and thought it was a lost cause. Eventually it just clicked a bit, and lots of repetition after that. Now I've got switch and nollie flips most tries, sometimes still hit or miss, can be floppy, but enough to do into switch backside 5050/5-0 on small ledges on a good day.

What really helped me was making sure to flick out as properly as possible, and getting comfortable with landing upside down with both feet over. If you can do that, its just a matter of jumping a little higher or flicking a little harder. If its any incentive, if your switch/nollie 180s are good and you have other harder switch flip tricks, you'll probably figure out variations pretty quick afterwards too, nollie fs flip, sw bs, sw fs etc.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
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Knowledge bombs as usual, very shalom. I've been half assing my 1/2 can noseslides and just slapping them on instead of getting a solid pop coupled with baseplate contact. I got a flat ground session tomorrow so I'll use that to work on my neglected fakie tricks.
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My pleasure, I'm not certain you even need to work on your halfcab nose for halfcab k because thinking halfcab nose for halfcab k is the best way to end up locking in with your weight off the side of the ledge as opposed to well on top (which is what you want to do like a normal k grind), if anything it may actually good that you're used to the lazy ones because it'll help you differentiate both tricks, you can't really be lazy on the pop of halfcab k as you want your front truck to actually clear the top so it should feel like something new. I think your best bet is to just think of it as a normal crooked grind that you're rolling up to weird, and the halfcab is just what happens to be what you do to rectify your stance upon entry. Also you shouldn't be scared to commit because not much can go wrong with that trick in my opinion, if you miss the edge on the crooked grind it's easy to just run out of the trick.

Reading this was making me cross eyed but I get what you mean. Rolling fakie into tricks is a mindfuck for me, but what's helped is just trusting my pop so I can focus on the rotation and lock. The muscle memory of the pop is already there, so I have the mental capacity to focus on the rest of the stuff. Unlike Nollie stuff where my pop and rotation is less ingrained into my muscles, so I get a mental and physical overload, if that make sense.

And they are a safe-ish trick, I think the hardest part will be make sure I pop high enough and lean back far enough so I don't slam and stick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 09, 2020, 01:52:11 PM
Reading this was making me cross eyed but I get what you mean. Rolling fakie into tricks is a mindfuck for me, but what's helped is just trusting my pop so I can focus on the rotation and lock. The muscle memory of the pop is already there, so I have the mental capacity to focus on the rest of the stuff. Unlike Nollie stuff where my pop and rotation is less ingrained into my muscles, so I get a mental and physical overload, if that make sense.

And they are a safe-ish trick, I think the hardest part will be make sure I pop high enough and lean back far enough so I don't slam and stick.

Fakie is the stance I feel the most awkward in too, I've always been a nollie and switch guy but only ever cared so much about fakie tricks, I love them now but it's definitely not my preferred stance. But the key to fakie tricks in general is to persuade yourself that you're doing the trick regular, just with altered momentum that you actually aim to fix when you're doing halfcab tricks. Halfcabs shouldn't be intellectualized as fakie backside ollies as much as they should be thought of a normal ollie but with a translation. That's also why bank skating helps with stances so much, for instance somebody who just can't figure out halfcab flips at first but is familiar with kickflips can just practice doing kickflips while carving backside on a bank (so technically the easier version of backside flips) for a bit and then just replicate the exact same motion on flat to get halfcab flips. Teaches you the proper timing and upper body positioning. Same also applies for nollie/switch and harder tricks, for instance if you can't switch 360 flip but can nollie 360 flip on flat then figuring out switch 360 flips on banks first will help a lot because on inclines those work exactly like nollie 360 flips on flat and then you can piece the missing adjustments together to eventually learn the trick you want. The same way, fakie flips on flat work exactly like kickflip to fakie on banks, etc.

I don't think you can really stick on halfcab k if you can do good crooked grinds, the most common mistake usually results in getting halfcab nose instead (usually shitty ones, sometimes actually really good ones). Sometimes you might even get accidental halfcab nosegrinds. That's kind of why I was saying it's better to just think of the trick as if you're just kickturning into a normal k grind in a way, as that's the position you want to lock into eventually. Focusing on the ollie too much might actually lead you to land slamming down on the nose too hard to grind, when you want a smooth motion. For crooked grinds in general I always found it helpful to really think of them literally as 'pointer grinds' where you pop then point your front truck exactly to where you want to crush it with your front foot, shifting your weight just there; halfcab k is no exception, you spend most of the airtime aiming at the ledge in the correct position, not really about getting enough pop (although you definitely should level out your ollie) and worrying about rotation.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 09, 2020, 07:13:37 PM
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Reading this was making me cross eyed but I get what you mean. Rolling fakie into tricks is a mindfuck for me, but what's helped is just trusting my pop so I can focus on the rotation and lock. The muscle memory of the pop is already there, so I have the mental capacity to focus on the rest of the stuff. Unlike Nollie stuff where my pop and rotation is less ingrained into my muscles, so I get a mental and physical overload, if that make sense.

And they are a safe-ish trick, I think the hardest part will be make sure I pop high enough and lean back far enough so I don't slam and stick.
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Fakie is the stance I feel the most awkward in too, I've always been a nollie and switch guy but only ever cared so much about fakie tricks, I love them now but it's definitely not my preferred stance. But the key to fakie tricks in general is to persuade yourself that you're doing the trick regular, just with altered momentum that you actually aim to fix when you're doing halfcab tricks. Halfcabs shouldn't be intellectualized as fakie backside ollies as much as they should be thought of a normal ollie but with a translation. That's also why bank skating helps with stances so much, for instance somebody who just can't figure out halfcab flips at first but is familiar with kickflips can just practice doing kickflips while carving backside on a bank (so technically the easier version of backside flips) for a bit and then just replicate the exact same motion on flat to get halfcab flips. Teaches you the proper timing and upper body positioning. Same also applies for nollie/switch and harder tricks, for instance if you can't switch 360 flip but can nollie 360 flip on flat then figuring out switch 360 flips on banks first will help a lot because on inclines those work exactly like nollie 360 flips on flat and then you can piece the missing adjustments together to eventually learn the trick you want. The same way, fakie flips on flat work exactly like kickflip to fakie on banks, etc.

This is really interesting, gonna DM you so we can talk more. I was thinking how doing some tricks on a bank is easier than on flat and you're spot on with how the bank works with you to get the desired timing and positioning. I could probably fakie 360 flip in 20 tries but probably not land a regular one in 100 tries, definitely have to revisit that stance when I skate flat.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 10, 2020, 12:40:02 PM
I don't mind DM's at all (although I'm terrible at replying to them) but I think it's better and more constructive if this conversation remains public, that way more people get to read our banter and maybe figure out solutions to problems they also happen to be facing on tricks or in skateboarding in general, and intervene.

Yeah for your 360 flip problem it might be a good idea to practice them on banks to gradually get rid of your preference for fakie but it also sounds like what you're missing is something in your pop/scoop, as that's the only adjustment you really need to make for that trick between regs and fakie, fakie the rotation is going with the momentum so it's better to use it and chill with the pop/scoop, regular you have to scrape the toe-side of the tail and force the board in front of you against the momentum, same difference as between cabs and back 3's. Sounds like you need to find your sweet spot on the pocket of the tail to nest those toes prior to popping those tricks so that they push the board along with your jump and it doesn't just stay behind, and it would unlock a lot of stuff for you. Once you've found it, it all becomes more of a matter of technique than brute force and those tricks become a lot less tiring.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 10, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
I don't mind DM's at all (although I'm terrible at replying to them) but I think it's better and more constructive if this conversation remains public, that way more people get to read our banter and maybe figure out solutions to problems they also happen to be facing on tricks or in skateboarding in general, and intervene.

Yeah for your 360 flip problem it might be a good idea to practice them on banks to gradually get rid of your preference for fakie but it also sounds like what you're missing is something in your pop/scoop, as that's the only adjustment you really need to make for that trick between regs and fakie, fakie the rotation is going with the momentum so it's better to use it and chill with the pop/scoop, regular you have to scrape the toe-side of the tail and force the board in front of you against the momentum, same difference as between cabs and back 3's. Sounds like you need to find your sweet spot on the pocket of the tail to nest those toes prior to popping those tricks so that they push the board along with your jump and it doesn't just stay behind, and it would unlock a lot of stuff for you. Once you've found it, it all becomes more of a matter of technique than brute force and those tricks become a lot less tiring.

I was kicking some BS 360s around yesterday I'm starting to realize the importance of the scoop, or rather scrape. When I think of scoop it like more of a popping motion, but with a scrape you're dragging your foot / board against the ground the help with the motion. Like in the video below you can see Goemann and Mirtain do more of a scoop than a scrape. With Skate Hack it looks like more scrape than scoop. Probably easier when you're first starting out to scrape instead of scoop, scoop gets you the beautiful Gino style ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8dbWKry7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mOFFGFPRtg&ab_channel=RIDEChannel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_nMszLWJIo&ab_channel=SKATEHACKS

I wish I learned these things in my youth but it's starting to feel like I'm unlocking the secrets to these tricks. But fuck Heelflips, always.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 03:51:34 AM
Yeah the scrape is important, not many people are used to that technique anymore after it being out of fashion for a good twenty years (although it kind of came back with the latest late 80's/early 90's revival) but it's a key one specifically for the entire extended family of black sheep tricks that comprises impossibles, step-hops, pressure flips and backside 360's, so good on you for figuring out that concept - generally speaking, figuring out basic principles like this does a lot more wonders than studying skating trick per trick because one you grasp them you open yourself a door to like a dozen of maneuvers instead of just a single one.

I just filmed a backside 360 in a line yesterday and looking at the footage I realized it's very obvious that I literally only scoop them (so in the end I spin them all in the air but barely get any pop), and also that the toes on my back foot dig into the toe-side pocket so much during the pop that it's almost like I pop off the toe-side of the tail only (there's a frame or two where the board is literally sideways then) and that's because I'm focusing mostly on applying the pressure there to get the board to stick to my foot then scrape to guide it the whole way around (and then the upper body being ahead of the rotation is what makes it work).

In general maybe what you need to study is your board's exact pressure points, now pressure flips are weird tricks but maybe trying to at least form a few would help you work on that because for those you literally just scrape and then let go. The key is pressing down on your back foot toes just over the toe-side back wheel to get the board to essentially flop over while you jump straight up (almost all off your back leg) and the effect in the pop is what makes it complete a rotation so you don't land upside down. You might have to teach yourself keep your back foot low for longer than you do on most normal flip tricks to optimally achieve that effect. Then once you've understood that it's a variation of that technique for all these tricks. Probably helps with 360 flips too as on 360 flips all your front foot really does is counter that same pressure with the subtle force of an ankle flick the other way, too (and once you've understood that you can pretty much treat them like modified ollies in a sense that's weird to describe, but makes sense in practice).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 11, 2020, 05:49:03 AM
Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 05:52:28 AM
Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.

Can you do them stephop/no-comply style? Might be a good place to start. I learned backside 360 ollies first myself but remember really grinding for them as you say, and for a while they remained a difficult trick, then I started doing the 360 stephops which are more simple and just getting used to the upper body movement (and maybe also to the back toe action) on that trick somehow also made control on the ollie counterpart a lot easier.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 11, 2020, 08:07:37 AM
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Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
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Can you do them stephop/no-comply style? Might be a good place to start. I learned backside 360 ollies first myself but remember really grinding for them as you say, and for a while they remained a difficult trick, then I started doing the 360 stephops which are more simple and just getting used to the upper body movement (and maybe also to the back toe action) on that trick somehow also made control on the ollie counterpart a lot easier.


Sometimes. Not consistently but starting there might not be a bad idea. I can do them fakie on banks, oddly enough.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ankle_Lift on September 11, 2020, 08:17:56 AM
Does anyone have any tips on rolling into a quarterpipe?

It's one thing I can't commit to. I've heard someone say to think of it like just dropping off a cerb, only bigger.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pedro_mayn on September 11, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
Kicky back tails (should've learned many moons ago, but there we go)

half cab heel nose (also should've learned many moons ago, but there we go)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 11, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
Does anyone have any tips on rolling into a quarterpipe?

It's one thing I can't commit to. I've heard someone say to think of it like just dropping off a cerb, only bigger.

Unfortunately there isnít really much outside of just going for it, I used to be real scared of straight rolling in for some odd reason, probably the hang up factor. Luckily one of the local parks has some odd combo of round coping that goes to flat, so it was easy to get used to it on the flat section then move it over to the coping.

Maybe just riding up to it and shifting over into tail will help you get over the fear of it. Just straight confidence really, if you hesitate youíre gonna fuck up.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2020, 09:35:28 AM
Yeah the scrape is important, not many people are used to that technique anymore after it being out of fashion for a good twenty years (although it kind of came back with the latest late 80's/early 90's revival) but it's a key one specifically for the entire extended family of black sheep tricks that comprises impossibles, step-hops, pressure flips and backside 360's, so good on you for figuring out that concept - generally speaking, figuring out basic principles like this does a lot more wonders than studying skating trick per trick because one you grasp them you open yourself a door to like a dozen of maneuvers instead of just a single one.

I just filmed a backside 360 in a line yesterday and looking at the footage I realized it's very obvious that I literally only scoop them (so in the end I spin them all in the air but barely get any pop), and also that the toes on my back foot dig into the toe-side pocket so much during the pop that it's almost like I pop off the toe-side of the tail only (there's a frame or two where the board is literally sideways then) and that's because I'm focusing mostly on applying the pressure there to get the board to stick to my foot then scrape to guide it the whole way around (and then the upper body being ahead of the rotation is what makes it work).

In general maybe what you need to study is your board's exact pressure points, now pressure flips are weird tricks but maybe trying to at least form a few would help you work on that because for those you literally just scrape and then let go. The key is pressing down on your back foot toes just over the toe-side back wheel to get the board to essentially flop over while you jump straight up (almost all off your back leg) and the effect in the pop is what makes it complete a rotation so you don't land upside down. You might have to teach yourself keep your back foot low for longer than you do on most normal flip tricks to optimally achieve that effect. Then once you've understood that it's a variation of that technique for all these tricks. Probably helps with 360 flips too as on 360 flips all your front foot really does is counter that same pressure with the subtle force of an ankle flick the other way, too (and once you've understood that you can pretty much treat them like modified ollies in a sense that's weird to describe, but makes sense in practice).

If you can share the link of the  vid with freeze frames that would be great to analyze.

The Ben Degros tricktip about the BS Kickflip really got me thinking and analyzing how I thought tricks worked. I skated with an older dude when I was in my teens and he was all about solid fundamentals. FS Flip is a FS 180 with a kickflip in the middle, same with a BS kickflip. That mindset helped him get really good at both regular and switch stuff but he would struggle with full cabs and  360 flips (it was the hard shove kind not the floaty type); or what I would call finesse tricks. Watching Ben Degros' video helped me visualize my board is a spring / rubber band; you load it up 1 way with pressure and to that pressure you add a slight flick, giving you the 180 kickflip. In the same way a BS / FS 360 is not really an Ollie with a 360 thrown in, even though an ollie is the foundational trick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBs-qwbuSM&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating

It got me thinking about how and when you should scoop your board versus popping and rotating.

https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=88

Like how Jon Allie does his BS Tailslide in this clip has always been interesting to me. Call his trick selection boring but his style is very unique; he has controls his rotations with his hips. With the BS Tailslide it looks all hip rotation, same with his 360s. Arto is another one with with a unique BS Lipslide.

(Fuck I rambled but it's Friday night so read it if you want)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
If you can share the link of the  vid with freeze frames that would be great to analyze.

The Ben Degros tricktip about the BS Kickflip really got me thinking and analyzing how I thought tricks worked. I skated with an older dude when I was in my teens and he was all about solid fundamentals. FS Flip is a FS 180 with a kickflip in the middle, same with a BS kickflip. That mindset helped him get really good at both regular and switch stuff but he would struggle with full cabs and  360 flips (it was the hard shove kind not the floaty type); or what I would call finesse tricks. Watching Ben Degros' video helped me visualize my board is a spring / rubber band; you load it up 1 way with pressure and to that pressure you add a slight flick, giving you the 180 kickflip. In the same way a BS / FS 360 is not really an Ollie with a 360 thrown in, even though an ollie is the foundational trick.

I just posted the clip in Post You Skating, it's the second trick here (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10272.msg3388317#msg3388317), if you're on a computer you can pause it, it's not a very good example of the trick though, this one I land on the back wheels which I normally don't do and it's so low the front truck taps the ground but at least you can see the back foot action and how the upper body goes ahead of the trick (and also hear the scrape because of the shit ground). If anything that's a demonstration you don't really need pop as you said and can just whip it around without an actual ollie.

Part I put in bold is totally the right idea, when it comes down to it it's all really basic physics and I'm regularly baffled by how many skaters insist on repeating the same mistakes on tricks over and over expecting different results instead of just considering that.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2020, 10:08:48 AM
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If you can share the link of the  vid with freeze frames that would be great to analyze.

The Ben Degros tricktip about the BS Kickflip really got me thinking and analyzing how I thought tricks worked. I skated with an older dude when I was in my teens and he was all about solid fundamentals. FS Flip is a FS 180 with a kickflip in the middle, same with a BS kickflip. That mindset helped him get really good at both regular and switch stuff but he would struggle with full cabs and  360 flips (it was the hard shove kind not the floaty type); or what I would call finesse tricks. Watching Ben Degros' video helped me visualize my board is a spring / rubber band; you load it up 1 way with pressure and to that pressure you add a slight flick, giving you the 180 kickflip. In the same way a BS / FS 360 is not really an Ollie with a 360 thrown in, even though an ollie is the foundational trick.
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I just posted the clip in Post You Skating, it's the second trick here (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10272.msg3388317#msg3388317), if you're on a computer you can pause it, it's not a very good example of the trick though, this one I land on the back wheels which I normally don't do and it's so low the front truck taps the ground but at least you can see the back foot action and how the upper body goes ahead of the trick (and also hear the scrape because of the shit ground). If anything that's a demonstration you don't really need pop as you said and can just whip it around without an actual ollie.

Part I put in bold is totally the right idea, when it comes down to it it's all really basic physics and I'm regularly baffled by how many skaters insist on repeating the same mistakes on tricks over and over expecting different results instead of just considering that.

I think we fetish-ize the grind and hard work that goes into a trick. Yes it is rewarding to land it after months of attempts but I would much rather be efficient with my limited board time to learn and improve, instead of showing how dedicated I am to suffering. I spent years not getting FS Tailslides, so much frustration, wasted boards and shoes. I really wish someone had broken down the secret of the trick so I would be 10-20% closer to figuring it out myself.

Pro trick tip videos are hit and miss as well. Occasionally you have a pro who can explain the fundamental and share the secret sauce. Other times you have Willy Santos trick tips videos; love the skater but his videos were dogshit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 10:47:04 AM
Yeah I get you, but honestly as beautiful as it may be, that mystification of the difficult process of learning a trick is usually the greatest barrier to progress too. In addition to the person developing technical ability and precision on the practical side, on a mental level one's skateboarding progression I find to be directly linked to their idea of self-worth; people who generally don't believe in themselves and underestimate their latent abilities will be less ambitious when it comes to not just 'getting the job done' but also to the scope and scale of said job. Which means they'll only ever try the most popularly known basic tricks they think is all is in their reach, and even on those they subconsciously micromanage every step. In a sense I also appreciate that because it usually helps shape unique style; it's just pretty crazy to realize most people only ever try what they imagine they can do. Breaking away from such expectations of the self and embracing the idea that maybe your limits are much higher than what you think they are (beyond your own current comprehension) is actually very liberating; as soon as you stop thinking of skateboarding as complicated and strip it down of all the mystique and your approach to it of your own insecurities, it becomes a lot easier. In reality, like I was saying it's basic physics so besides a lack of practice and coordination, and of course the occasional random element inherent to street skating, there's no arbitrary reason for anyone to ever keep missing tricks but whatever's going on in their heads. If you want a new trick that's accessible because you have the technique down then there's just no reason not to do it.

That being said, willpower is another thing. Recently I've come to the realization that a lot of skaters bail tricks because subconsciously they actually enjoy bailing tricks. Even filming missions are essentially over when the skater really decides it's over. Sometimes the process of trying something and the experimentation is more fun than focusing and landing the trick right away; sometimes it's a vortex of madness because the skater's head is polluted with negativity somehow that's enough not to make them really want to land the trick (could be something as simple as subconsciously worrying over their style or fit). But in a lot of these cases, if they had the physical practice, mental strength and landing the trick first try really was the only thing on their mind, they probably could.

Talk about ranting on a Friday night!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: themanwhomakes on September 11, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
Iím not a big poster but i have enjoyed reading your back and forth more than anything iíve read on this site since march. Rant away haha. You give good skating and good life advice silhouette.

Rocklobster...Care to share the secret to FS tails? FS 5-0 has always been a go to, but actually popping into and sliding fs tail makes no sense. I always do a crooked 5-0, so i try to spin more into the slide and my body doesnt stay with the board. My brain cant vizualize somewhere in between popping and coming into the slide. Iíve done more back tails. Any tips on sliding nose, tail and blunts is always greatly appreciated. Iím determined to start doing these tricks more.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2020, 07:46:45 PM
Iím not a big poster but i have enjoyed reading your back and forth more than anything iíve read on this site since march. Rant away haha. You give good skating and good life advice silhouette.

Rocklobster...Care to share the secret to FS tails? FS 5-0 has always been a go to, but actually popping into and sliding fs tail makes no sense. I always do a crooked 5-0, so i try to spin more into the slide and my body doesnt stay with the board. My brain cant vizualize somewhere in between popping and coming into the slide. Iíve done more back tails. Any tips on sliding nose, tail and blunts is always greatly appreciated. Iím determined to start doing these tricks more.

My front tails are shit right now. I used to roll up really parallel to the ledge and think of it as a FS 45, split between my front and back foot. I get the lock but barely any slide. Fuck I'm working on the right now at the park. But slight angle plus winding your shoulders is a good place to start, not everyone has the finesse to do them like Heath Kirchart on the rail in Sight Unseen. I'll reply when I'm in front of my laptop later.

Yeah I get you, but honestly as beautiful as it may be, that mystification of the difficult process of learning a trick is usually the greatest barrier to progress too. In addition to the person developing technical ability and precision on the practical side, on a mental level one's skateboarding progression I find to be directly linked to their idea of self-worth; people who generally don't believe in themselves and underestimate their latent abilities will be less ambitious when it comes to not just 'getting the job done' but also to the scope and scale of said job. Which means they'll only ever try the most popularly known basic tricks they think is all is in their reach, and even on those they subconsciously micromanage every step. In a sense I also appreciate that because it usually helps shape unique style; it's just pretty crazy to realize most people only ever try what they imagine they can do. Breaking away from such expectations of the self and embracing the idea that maybe your limits are much higher than what you think they are (beyond your own current comprehension) is actually very liberating; as soon as you stop thinking of skateboarding as complicated and strip it down of all the mystique and your approach to it of your own insecurities, it becomes a lot easier. In reality, like I was saying it's basic physics so besides a lack of practice and coordination, and of course the occasional random element inherent to street skating, there's no arbitrary reason for anyone to ever keep missing tricks but whatever's going on in their heads. If you want a new trick that's accessible because you have the technique down then there's just no reason not to do it.

That being said, willpower is another thing. Recently I've come to the realization that a lot of skaters bail tricks because subconsciously they actually enjoy bailing tricks. Even filming missions are essentially over when the skater really decides it's over. Sometimes the process of trying something and the experimentation is more fun than focusing and landing the trick right away; sometimes it's a vortex of madness because the skater's head is polluted with negativity somehow that's enough not to make them really want to land the trick (could be something as simple as subconsciously worrying over their style or fit). But in a lot of these cases, if they had the physical practice, mental strength and landing the trick first try really was the only thing on their mind, they probably could.

Talk about ranting on a Friday night!

The mental aspect of skateboarding has always been fascinating to me. All you need if for someone to nudge you in the right direction ("hey you should try this trick") and by trying it you open yourself up to learning and (like you said) learning the physics of the trick. A trick only feel foreign because your body is not using to moving / turning in that direction, enough tries and it will become second nature. 2 weeks ago I though doing FS 1/2 Cab Noseslides was weird and while the motion still feels unnatural, it's become much closer to the realm of possibility. And messing up on that trick had me locking into Fakie BS Nosegrinds (the Josh Kalis) staple, which I never would have though possible.

Over the past few weeks I've been telling myself this simple mantra "the sooner you stop fucking around and commit to just popping the trick, the sooner you can master it and roll away from it". Yeah its fun to kick back and shoot the shit with your mates at the park, but having fun in skateboarding (to me) stems from mastery and overcoming fear or a difficult trick. The sooner I commit, the sooner I land my stuff, the more time I can spend getting better at it or learning new shit. It may sound mechanical and against the spirit of skateboarding, but that is my definition of fun in skateboarding and having a good session. Especially as I get older and hold down an office job, I want to get the most fun out of my session, whatever that may mean to anyone. Fewer 1/2 assed attempts, more full commitments. I've been experiencing a lot of rain in South-East Asia recently usually towards the last 1/3 of my session. The urgency keeps me on my toes.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: UrbanSombrero on September 12, 2020, 05:23:51 PM
A lot of post really speaks to me. I've been going through this mental block the last few weeks and it is really bugging me. My kickflips have gone to shit and all of a sudden I can't BS 5050 anymore. I'm over thinking a lot because I feel like I should be better than I am and I'm being too cautious I think. I'm old and I don't want to hurt myself but I really love this and want to be as good as I think I can be. I've been skating for the better part of 20 years and I've never encountered anything like this. I'm actually writing this post from an urgent care center bed because I slipped out from a half assed BS 5050 attempt and landed straight on my chest. Seems so far nothing is broken. If I was fully commiting and trying to land the trick instead of trying to not fall this wouldn't have happened. I don't know why all of a sudden I'm being a baby about everything instead of just enjoying my time on my board and trying to progress. I've also been skating a ton lately, at least 2 hours a day pretty much everyday for the last 2 years aside from a few months where I rolled my ankle and broke 2 ribs last year. Maybe I'm skating too much and a break will reset my brain, but I start to panic because I feel like I'm going to lose all progress that I've made if I stop skating as much as possible. Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 13, 2020, 09:18:45 AM
A lot of post really speaks to me. I've been going through this mental block the last few weeks and it is really bugging me. My kickflips have gone to shit and all of a sudden I can't BS 5050 anymore. I'm over thinking a lot because I feel like I should be better than I am and I'm being too cautious I think. I'm old and I don't want to hurt myself but I really love this and want to be as good as I think I can be. I've been skating for the better part of 20 years and I've never encountered anything like this. I'm actually writing this post from an urgent care center bed because I slipped out from a half assed BS 5050 attempt and landed straight on my chest. Seems so far nothing is broken. If I was fully commiting and trying to land the trick instead of trying to not fall this wouldn't have happened. I don't know why all of a sudden I'm being a baby about everything instead of just enjoying my time on my board and trying to progress. I've also been skating a ton lately, at least 2 hours a day pretty much everyday for the last 2 years aside from a few months where I rolled my ankle and broke 2 ribs last year. Maybe I'm skating too much and a break will reset my brain, but I start to panic because I feel like I'm going to lose all progress that I've made if I stop skating as much as possible. Sorry for the rant.

Hope you're healing up and for as much as I waxed lyrical on the past few posts, I had 2 pretty mediocre days of skating in a row. Both Saturday and Sunday sessions got rained out within 90 minutes so that definitely didn't help at all. As much as I said about committing to tricks and focusing on rolling away with as few tries, I think that mindset really hurt my sessions today. My deck was starting to razor tail and all the pressure I put on myself was weighing down hard. I have to dial back the intensity; being intense is my response to everything in life. I work hard, not smart which is the opposite I said a few posts ago. I feared losing my FS crooks and settle for a tweaked nosegrind instead of a proper.

I guess the skinny of it is to not (as cliche as it sounds) find that balance that works for you. I thought I could be intense all the time, but I was killing the vibe with my friends who were having a blast kicking around and having a laugh. Need to be reminded that I'm a 30+ year old and just enjoy the session like I would any other sporting endevour.

The park I used to session before lockdown has reopened, I'm definitely going to hit it up a few times a week and skate the tougher park on Saturday / Sunday; it's got higher ledges so I plan to use the weekday sessions to build into the weekend ones.

Have a Shalom weekend friends
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 15, 2020, 03:35:05 AM
As much as I said about committing to tricks and focusing on rolling away with as few tries, I think that mindset really hurt my sessions today.

I think it's because one can't really improvise that mindset, just dictating how your day should be going in advance isn't going to work because by definition skateboarding is something that mercilessly bombards you with different scenarii every single moment in real time (happening on an object moving through irregular space and all), so trying to foresee exactly how your day is going to go is only more mental pollution and a distraction if anything. At least I stopped doing this a while ago and now only skate on days where my physical condition feels right, because that's when I know I'll be at my sharpest to handle all the ruckus and then it's pretty much a guaranteed good session with no expectations. Now skating is so fun I'll occasionally do it on the days I feel wrecked too (e.g.. after binge skating three days in a row on average), but then I'll most likely take it easy and stick to less brutal and/or more consistent maneuvers. Recovering time is important, your body needs it (most skaters underestimate how much they put theirs through absolute shit) and there is such a thing as overtraining in any physical activity, if you're not familiar with the term I'd advise you look it up as grasping the concept basically made me understand why I'd always have on and off days as a kid. In general whenever you're having a bad session, it's important to understand why as to just eliminate the mistakes eventually, and stop clogging your head with whatever considerations might distract from the present moment of purely reading the terrain with your board.

I also get the pleasure of working on tricks super hard, for maybe over my decade of skating I skated anywhere from 3 to 10 hours literally everyday, sheltering myself under whatever shitty place had some kind of roof in case of shit weather just to always be working on new stuff and not losing tricks, but then I grew out of that phase when I realized it was actually counter-productive although fun in its own ways and I was unnecessarily micromanaging things (because I had less self-confidence; in reality if you really don't want your tricks to go away then they won't since every motion you neglect you can always relearn, this anxiety is another source of potential mental pollution in one's skating so such worries are better off jettisoned). So I'm a bit torn on talking shit on obsessively working on technique because that's what I did for a long time and also I guess what enabled me to build a repertoire of tricks and maneuvers big enough for me to have fun with even on days where challenging shit won't work. It may be important to remember that although fundamental, technique in skateboarding is a means but an end.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 15, 2020, 05:58:38 AM
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As much as I said about committing to tricks and focusing on rolling away with as few tries, I think that mindset really hurt my sessions today.
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I think it's because one can't really improvise that mindset, just dictating how your day should be going in advance isn't going to work because by definition skateboarding is something that mercilessly bombards you with different scenarii every single moment in real time (happening on an object moving through irregular space and all), so trying to foresee exactly how your day is going to go is only more mental pollution and a distraction if anything. At least I stopped doing this a while ago and now only skate on days where my physical condition feels right, because that's when I know I'll be at my sharpest to handle all the ruckus and then it's pretty much a guaranteed good session with no expectations. Now skating is so fun I'll occasionally do it on the days I feel wrecked too (e.g.. after binge skating three days in a row on average), but then I'll most likely take it easy and stick to less brutal and/or more consistent maneuvers. Recovering time is important, your body needs it (most skaters underestimate how much they put theirs through absolute shit) and there is such a thing as overtraining in any physical activity, if you're not familiar with the term I'd advise you look it up as grasping the concept basically made me understand why I'd always have on and off days as a kid. In general whenever you're having a bad session, it's important to understand why as to just eliminate the mistakes eventually, and stop clogging your head with whatever considerations might distract from the present moment of purely reading the terrain with your board.

I also get the pleasure of working on tricks super hard, for maybe over my decade of skating I skated anywhere from 3 to 10 hours literally everyday, sheltering myself under whatever shitty place had some kind of roof in case of shit weather just to always be working on new stuff and not losing tricks, but then I grew out of that phase when I realized it was actually counter-productive although fun in its own ways and I was unnecessarily micromanaging things (because I had less self-confidence; in reality if you really don't want your tricks to go away then they won't since every motion you neglect you can always relearn, this anxiety is another source of potential mental pollution in one's skating so such worries are better off jettisoned). So I'm a bit torn on talking shit on obsessively working on technique because that's what I did for a long time and also I guess what enabled me to build a repertoire of tricks and maneuvers big enough for me to have fun with even on days where challenging shit won't work. It may be important to remember that although fundamental, technique in skateboarding is a means but an end.

The frustration of having a bad session stems from me only having my weekends to skate for a combines 6-8 hours, so I feel immense pressure to perform and not lose my tricks on those 2 days. But I'm like that in my daily life too, I'm disciplined to a fault and can't stand to sit around doing nothing, much to my own detriment. I'm uber intense, like when I mean we have to leave the house at 7pm to meet a dinner reservation, I get pissed with my wife if we leave late and have to pay a late fee on the Uber. The park I usually session has reopened after lockdown so I'm planning on going there 1-2 times in the week to keep sharp and limber.

Being older and skateboarding: it gives you the extremes of emotions and pulls you in both directions. You appreciate it more, but the scarcity of time really adds so much pressure on me. I already trying to do 5 days in a row (Wed - Sun), I have a huge scarcity problem but I'll eventually find a happy medium, maybe 1-2 times during the week, go hard on the weekends.

I love skating ledges and rails but I'm going to commit to working on getting a proper looking Ollie. I've been rocketing them my entire life and seeing the other threads about old guys working on them made me think I should really practice what I preach.

Spending hours working on a trick has put me in a dark place mentally which feel so stupid and trivial. I think back on all the negative things my mom said, discouraging me from skateboarding when I was 14, telling me I'm too uncoordinated to do it well. Those same thoughts get to me even as a 34-year old adult, despite us talking over it too. Got to remind myself that I'm not 14 and I'm doing this for fun.

That said, the feeling of landing a new trick still has that same rush even 20 years later. I like the phrase mental pollution, got to keep those bad jujus out of your head and enjoy the session.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 15, 2020, 06:55:04 AM
I get the time constraint being one of those subconscious restrictions that end up kind of fucking with your head, I remember being in a similar zone back when I was a law student, I had to scrape by in order to find just a couple of hours a week to skate and looking back it might have not been a coincidence that I was also trying to make every session count (for a while those times were the apex of my tech shit). I'm of the kind that just can't stand around and do nothing too but in reality if you're looking for productivity/progression it can actually be beneficial to 'slow down' on off days because getting frustrated is just you bonking your head against your own limitations instead of deciphering them. Slowing down doesn't necessarily mean slacking, I just see it as working on different areas of skating. For instance on days where I have low energy or my body is generally tired, I'll just mess around with simple stuff on flat without exerting myself and get better at that. Or some other days I'll just skate nothing but a flat bank and see how many of my 'classics' and which ones I can do that day and indirectly I always get better at them. Even just cruising around the street you always keep getting more experience in navigation around obstacles and people, every single little curb you ollie you're still refining your timing. There's no such thing as an unproductive session if you're really trying to micromanage your skating because every second spent on the board is literally practice. Then it's all up you optimize that practice time and usually unless you're going for something new, then long trick battles are counterproductive (especially if it's a trick you swear you can do easily on a different day; if the trick is in you and something else feels wrong that day then there's no point in cramming more parasite movement into your usual execution of the trick by insisting like a mad man). Tl;dr it's better to embrace your condition and limitations of the day and work with them to have a fun session instead of struggling against them. I actually got exponentially better at skating as soon as I stopped worrying over everything I couldn't do on certain days and instead started spending them focused on doing what I could actually do, because in reality something that suddenly feels wrong one day might suddenly feel right again the next, so obsessing over it is only distracting you from what your board is saying you should be doing now.

Also I find new tricks only feel all the more amazing getting older. Every single one is even more of a gift from the heavens.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 15, 2020, 08:46:35 AM
I get the time constraint being one of those subconscious restrictions that end up kind of fucking with your head, I remember being in a similar zone back when I was a law student, I had to scrape by in order to find just a couple of hours a week to skate and looking back it might have not been a coincidence that I was also trying to make every session count (for a while those times were the apex of my tech shit). I'm of the kind that just can't stand around and do nothing too but in reality if you're looking for productivity/progression it can actually be beneficial to 'slow down' on off days because getting frustrated is just you bonking your head against your own limitations instead of deciphering them. Slowing down doesn't necessarily mean slacking, I just see it as working on different areas of skating. For instance on days where I have low energy or my body is generally tired, I'll just mess around with simple stuff on flat without exerting myself and get better at that. Or some other days I'll just skate nothing but a flat bank and see how many of my 'classics' and which ones I can do that day and indirectly I always get better at them. Even just cruising around the street you always keep getting more experience in navigation around obstacles and people, every single little curb you ollie you're still refining your timing. There's no such thing as an unproductive session if you're really trying to micromanage your skating because every second spent on the board is literally practice. Then it's all up you optimize that practice time and usually unless you're going for something new, then long trick battles are counterproductive (especially if it's a trick you swear you can do easily on a different day; if the trick is in you and something else feels wrong that day then there's no point in cramming more parasite movement into your usual execution of the trick by insisting like a mad man). Tl;dr it's better to embrace your condition and limitations of the day and work with them to have a fun session instead of struggling against them. I actually got exponentially better at skating as soon as I stopped worrying over everything I couldn't do on certain days and instead started spending them focused on doing what I could actually do, because in reality something that suddenly feels wrong one day might suddenly feel right again the next, so obsessing over it is only distracting you from what your board is saying you should be doing now.

Also I find new tricks only feel all the more amazing getting older. Every single one is even more of a gift from the heavens.

Some sage wisdom right there man, the last 2 pages should be made into a board graphic to remind myself to chill out.

I get really bad tunnel vision and I kick myself when the stuff I worked on last session isn't clicking today. I really have to be more chill with skateboarding and not let it kill me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Dirty_Dan90 on September 16, 2020, 06:58:44 AM
Recently learned fakie front crooks and it took awhile to get the pinch right but now i can pop out of the metal ledge at my local park. Started to get the flick out but keep landing on the bottom of the deck or missing the flick completely. So hyped on this one even just trying it but its also frustrating thinking about a trick all day at work then spending most of the sesh after work just trying to inch closer to the trick but still no dice. just happy to finally be flipping out of shit, probably one of the most satisfying this to me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 16, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
Fakie BS Nosegrind, the Kalis staple. Backside Tailslides again but the ledge at my local park is low, just below above ankle height.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 16, 2020, 01:13:37 PM
Fakie BS Nosegrind, the Kalis staple. Backside Tailslides again but the ledge at my local park is low, just below above ankle height.

Same thing as I said for the frontside halfcab noseslide, just ollie higher and turn less
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hombreezy on September 16, 2020, 05:16:45 PM
Always sucked at regular backside bigspins. Itís like the only basic regular trick I donít have on lock at this point. Anyway I skated with my childhood best friend who also got me in to skating and we learned it together today. Super inconsistent and I land awkwardly a lot but I can do it perfect if I land with my shoulders right and jump out a bit. 
Trying to get my shoulders to catch up with the scoop on backside 360
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 16, 2020, 07:46:16 PM
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Fakie BS Nosegrind, the Kalis staple. Backside Tailslides again but the ledge at my local park is low, just below above ankle height.
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Same thing as I said for the frontside halfcab noseslide, just ollie higher and turn less

Yeah was locking in a few by accident while doing 1/2 Cab Frontside Noseslides, same principles.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 16, 2020, 07:52:34 PM
Not sure if itís this thread but @Gay Imp Sausage Metal  gave a tip on half cab to tail slide. I tried it on the curb Iíve been skating and it made sense. Thank you.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 17, 2020, 06:41:50 AM
Not sure if itís this thread but @Gay Imp Sausage Metal  gave a tip on half cab to tail slide. I tried it on the curb Iíve been skating and it made sense. Thank you.
I did? Fakie front nose? Such a fun trick on low ledges
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 18, 2020, 09:15:56 AM
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Not sure if itís this thread but @Gay Imp Sausage Metal  gave a tip on half cab to tail slide. I tried it on the curb Iíve been skating and it made sense. Thank you.
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I did? Fakie front nose? Such a fun trick on low ledges
Yeah it was some weird donít think about this truck as nollie or something like that. It was confusing a bit.
Went and tried it but realized I could just powerslide and kiss the curb.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tony mugu on September 18, 2020, 04:28:21 PM
hi struggling with nose slides at the moment.

I can lock in and slide a little bit but I always come to a dead stop and I never seem to get the smooth slide most people get. Iíve worked out itís not a wax issue. Iím wondering if itís my foot placement as I donít always land with my whole foot on the nose. I can slappy noseslides a good distance however.

I have the same issue with crooked but I only have learnt those recently so itís more of a practice thing I think regarding crookeds.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 18, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
hi struggling with nose slides at the moment.

I can lock in and slide a little bit but I always come to a dead stop and I never seem to get the smooth slide most people get. Iíve worked out itís not a wax issue. Iím wondering if itís my foot placement as I donít always land with my whole foot on the nose. I can slappy noseslides a good distance however.

I have the same issue with crooked but I only have learnt those recently so itís more of a practice thing I think regarding crookeds.

How high is the ledge your sliding on? I hate low ledges for noseslides because I never learned to slappy and always over-pop going into the slide.

It sounds like you are stomping your nose into the ledge rather than riding on top of the ledge. Ideally you want to pop just high enough so your forward momentum is maintained. Popping high will get you on the ledge, it will kill the forward momentum of the board, causing a short slide. Think of it as popping your board so it will hover on top of the ledge, and you turn off at the end in 1 motion to continue your direction of movement.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Vintagebody on September 19, 2020, 01:35:25 AM
Whats the secret to not making the board flip during 360 shuvs/big spins?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 19, 2020, 01:57:31 AM
Whats the secret to not making the board flip during 360 shuvs/big spins?

Don't hang your back toe over the edge of the tail too much, make sure to get as 'flat' of a pop as you can, try to keep your trucks level or slightly heelside leaning. These things help me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: S. on September 19, 2020, 05:52:20 AM
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Whats the secret to not making the board flip during 360 shuvs/big spins?
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Don't hang your back toe over the edge of the tail too much, make sure to get as 'flat' of a pop as you can, try to keep your trucks level or slightly heelside leaning. These things help me.
It helps me when I have my toes pointed forward on my back foot. Even more do then when I do a kuckflip.

I am trying to Properly learn crooked grinds Switch an regular. And to get more consistent on frontside noseslides and switch frontside noseslides. It is my goal to learn proper a proper Fakie Ollie Switch Front nose. I either get stuck and fall out or I slide and slip out, hence I went back to learn proper switch frontside nose slides.

When I was young I would just force Tricks by trying them till I got them and then move one. I want to be able to feel and control my tricks better now. I figure an Andy Anderson approach to skating is better for longevity than the all will no skill kind of approach. I do miss Just going for broke sometimes, but whenever I do I get hurt more often than not...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: VHS ERA on September 19, 2020, 06:26:12 AM
if anyoneís got advice on

fakie crooks or fakie tails - can work it out on curbs but I lose the board when I have to pop higher onto ledges. End up standing in stance on the ledge with no board. Also even on curbs for fakie tailslide I struggle to find the balance between slipping out on to my face and leaning too far back so it sticks.

fakie manuals- any trick to these? My reg manual and nose mannys are fine but my balance on fakie is trash and getting pitched is scary.



Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Brguy on September 20, 2020, 11:37:35 PM
As soon as I start skating again (probably not too long, foot feeling fine) I want to start getting long 50-50s with decent speed at a small round rail so I can do it at a bigger one in the streets.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on September 24, 2020, 11:00:55 AM
Noseslide to krooked - no slappy tho.

Watched the Mike York trick tip - it really helped!!

Almost got one last night, but I couldnt seem to pop out of the krook, and i couldnt seem to fakie it either.

Next sesh. Funny tho, tried that trick earlier this year, but wasnt approaching it the right way.

Fun as hell tho. Last time I did one of those was like 94 - 26 years ago!!

Good times!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Damoforce on September 26, 2020, 05:07:57 AM
Trying to learn to kickflip, that old chestnut. It keeps landing 45 degrees in front of me backside.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on September 26, 2020, 11:26:08 AM
front shove back 50. Did a couple stationary on a small ledge the other day. Rolling into it feels like it is a whole dif game though.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Featherdale wildlife park on October 06, 2020, 05:36:12 AM
Life
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Post by: Lowcalcium on October 10, 2020, 09:32:07 AM
Bodyjar 900
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sluggloaph on October 10, 2020, 04:59:32 PM
if anyoneís got advice on

fakie crooks or fakie tails - can work it out on curbs but I lose the board when I have to pop higher onto ledges. End up standing in stance on the ledge with no board. Also even on curbs for fakie tailslide I struggle to find the balance between slipping out on to my face and leaning too far back so it sticks.

fakie manuals- any trick to these? My reg manual and nose mannys are fine but my balance on fakie is trash and getting pitched is scary.
I can only so a fakie tail if I shuv into it, which pretty much doesn't count right? Try that naybe, but a fakie manny? Can do boss! Practice like a shadow boxing version, as you brush yet teeth or sum shit. So get used to that muscle group. Then do them as fast as you can. I used to try an "bomb" my cul de sa ina fakie manny. So practice the balance and full speed.
Hope it helps and fakie crooks would be doap, godspeed VHS.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 10, 2020, 06:34:06 PM
fs shuv

i rarely tried them bc whenever i did they'd just get caught on my front foot heel and I'd feel dumb. Last night I had a dream i was doing fs shuv bs 5-0 and i woke up super determined to get them but man i suck at learning flatground
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on October 10, 2020, 10:33:46 PM
fs shuv

i rarely tried them bc whenever i did they'd just get caught on my front foot heel and I'd feel dumb. Last night I had a dream i was doing fs shuv bs 5-0 and i woke up super determined to get them but man i suck at learning flatground

Can you FS No Comply? The motion is really similar and you can even practice the No Comply FS Shove, just don't turn your body. The scooping motion is exactly the same, then just add the jump from the pop and baby you got a stew going.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on October 10, 2020, 11:04:01 PM
You really have to push your board forward....your popping foot is in the pocket you push your foot towards the nose....I'd tinker around with how much you hang your front toes off too....some people it's lots, some a bit less....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on October 11, 2020, 12:46:37 AM
You really have to push your board forward....your popping foot is in the pocket you push your foot towards the nose....I'd tinker around with how much you hang your front toes off too....some people it's lots, some a bit less....

This too, I have my foot hanging off like I would a heelflip. I mean, if heelflips weren't the fucking bane of my existance.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on October 11, 2020, 08:15:45 AM
I just have kinda got them switch now and I have to put my popping foot on the edge of the tail....regs is pocket, it's weird.  On the front foot, I say this because for lots of people the board goes behind them, so maybe not hanging your toes too much counters this....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Bumpovertrash on October 11, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
Front feeble fs 180
Front tail kickflip to fakie
Blunt kickflip to fakie
Proper nose slides . I have no problem doing them on a tall ledge or slappying in on a low one but cant pop into low ledges its dumb
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hyliannightmare on October 11, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
Fakie tail to regular. I have only boards and 50 so it's crazy that a new one has come along
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 19, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
i recently filmed myself doing a kickflip over stuff and realize my shoulders turn so frontside when I land I'm my upper body is literally turned 90 degrees frontside. Whatever I do I can't control my shoulders it's driving me crazy. I need like a straightjacket or something. I've even started practicing it with my arms like straight out facing forward and back and I still turn
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: off on October 20, 2020, 05:03:20 AM
not really a trick but i have been struggling to keep my legs tucked over the board for the "float" effect. any tips to getting that technique down? tired of stomping out everything and breaking boards prematurely
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on October 20, 2020, 02:04:37 PM
Not really a trick also, but I'm really annoyed by the "cigarette-crushing" foot placement I do before popping a trick. It's a bit distracting when I watch back my footage and I kinda focus on it. But after almost 20 years, it's a hard habit to break
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 02:18:46 AM
FS 360 shuvs. Landed a few before but it's a real tough one to get down.
Holy shit talk about a fucked up trick. i think ive met 1 guy who could do them proper. Doing these in a game of skate is an automatic letter
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 02:20:41 AM
i recently filmed myself doing a kickflip over stuff and realize my shoulders turn so frontside when I land I'm my upper body is literally turned 90 degrees frontside. Whatever I do I can't control my shoulders it's driving me crazy. I need like a straightjacket or something. I've even started practicing it with my arms like straight out facing forward and back and I still turn

Have you tried lifting your arms? I had the same exact issue for high pop shuvs and lifting my arms "fixed" it
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 02:45:19 AM
Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.

Im still young and im wondering if losing tricks is tied to aging? Cause whenever i learn a trick i usually get it locked
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on October 23, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
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Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
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Im still young and im wondering if losing tricks is tied to aging? Cause whenever i learn a trick i usually get i locked

From my experience you just tend to lose what you stop practicing in general. Some people skate less with age and lose leg strength and technical ability (or physically wear themselves out), or sometimes when you've been skating for a long time and have learned hundreds of tricks in the past you just specialize in the ones you like the best and slack on the rest (and when you've been skating for an especially long time, you can end up going through different phases of that and eventually most everything more or less sticks in the end). People commonly stress about losing tricks but in reality they shouldn't, if it's something they've done once before there should be no reason why they couldn't replicate it and learn it consistently, it's all about the person's willpower to actually put in the effort vs. sticking to daydreaming about the old days instead.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 08:45:37 AM
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Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
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Im still young and im wondering if losing tricks is tied to aging? Cause whenever i learn a trick i usually get i locked
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From my experience you just tend to lose what you stop practicing in general. Some people skate less with age and lose leg strength and technical ability (or physically wear themselves out), or sometimes when you've been skating for a long time and have learned hundreds of tricks in the past you just specialize in the ones you like the best and slack on the rest (and when you've been skating for an especially long time, you can end up going through different phases of that and eventually most everything more or less sticks in the end). People commonly stress about losing tricks but in reality they shouldn't, if it's something they've done once before there should be no reason why they couldn't replicate it and learn it consistently, it's all about the person's willpower to actually put in the effort vs. sticking to daydreaming about the old days instead.

I agree with silhouette that romanticizing about the tricks you could do in your past is rarely helpful. You can get them back but it takes effort and will power. It's also the stuff that you do off your board to stay in shape that help you get your old staples back.

Bad ankles and mob kickflips? Get resistance bands to strengthen the muscles around your ankles, spend a couple of minutes every day flicking to get the motion back.
Joints tightening up and hindering your 180s? Get some stretching or yoga in during the week to remain limber and maintain the range of motion in your hips and pelvis.
Exhausted after 30 minutes of skating? Don't neglect your cardio and go for a run once or twice a week.

Board time is a rarer as you get older. Make an effort to keep your body in shape so that you can be more "productive" during your session. It's fun to kick back with the homies and shoot the breeze, but I want to land stuff too. Skateboarders can be anti-everything, but little steps to keep your body in shape pays big dividends.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: camel filters on October 23, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
I ball my back fist up when doing any trick and am willing to give up 50% of my trick bag just to do stuff with open hands.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 23, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Nollie fs flips. I could use some advice.
I've never landed one on flat to my knowledge.

Everything looks fine. Im mirroring my half cab one exactly but I get much different results.

My head is right my arms are right my foot positioning is fine.

The board always is way too boned to pull back underneath me and I slip out.

 If I stomp on it I'll bust the nose off for sure.

If I do get my sole on the bolts instead of the side of my foot it is because I didn't put my flicking foot back on the board.

My homie said once those are way better than your Fakie ones.

This kinda hurts my feelings but whatever.
I guess it's good to hear any feed back from friends who I respect as skaters or exskaters.

Skaters really.
In my opinion if you got more than 5 years on a board your a skater for life.

But yeah no matter how good the attempt looks it's never better than a make. You know.

I can do nollie fs flip sw nocomply like every try. We all know that's not a real trick if you can't land the first part ever.

Nasty idiot I am
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 23, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
I ball my back fist up when doing any trick and am willing to give up 50% of my trick bag just to do stuff with open hands.

That's might be a tough one. I purposely changed my back hand style a few times. Most recently in 2016 I got this ocd set up for crooks. Front crooks especially. I cannot do front crook with out bringing my back hand up to my face like I'm drinking a beer. Regular crooks I bring my back hand all the way over to my front ear like I'm listening for a yodeler in the valley of ledges or whatever lol

I'm so frickin crazy lol. I have a stupid little rituals that have developed over time to combat things I found displeasing in my skating.

So closed hand I would practice something like this maybe.

Skate with something in hand like idk a worry stone or a bottle cap?

Right when you're about to do a trick if you feel the grip growing drop it on the ground? Do this over and over.

Maybe you will take out a scooterer with the worry stone.

That would be cool.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 01:53:48 PM
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I ball my back fist up when doing any trick and am willing to give up 50% of my trick bag just to do stuff with open hands.
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That's might be a tough one. I purposely changed my back hand style a few times. Most recently in 2016 I got this ocd set up for crooks. Front crooks especially. I cannot do front crook with out bringing my back hand up to my face like I'm drinking a beer. Regular crooks I bring my back hand all the way over to my front ear like I'm listening for a yodeler in the valley of ledges or whatever lol

I'm so frickin crazy lol. I have a stupid little rituals that have developed over time to combat things I found displeasing in my skating.

So closed hand I would practice something like this maybe.

Skate with something in hand like idk a worry stone or a bottle cap?

Right when you're about to do a trick if you feel the grip growing drop it on the ground? Do this over and over.

Maybe you will take out a scooterer with the worry stone.

That would be cool.

Donít we all have little stupid rituals :P Reynolds has arguably some of the strangest habits before dropping hammers and honestly if it helps you skate better who cares.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dallou on October 23, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
switch frontside 360
frontside 360
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on October 25, 2020, 07:50:54 AM
My brain just shuts down on kickflips at full cruising speed and itís driving me crazy. Iíve got them comfortably every step of the way until I give one last push and everything stops working. Iíve just gotta fight through it and keep trying but damn.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 29, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
fs smith on ledge
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FatGuy92 on November 05, 2020, 10:41:32 PM
This is going to sound ridiculous but I can't backside noseslide at all. Been trying to learn them on curbs but when I lock in, I just rotate on my nose and come out fakie without sliding. I can fs noseslide and bs/fs boardslide so not sure why this one is throwing me off so much. Any tips?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on November 06, 2020, 02:24:50 AM
This is going to sound ridiculous but I can't backside noseslide at all. Been trying to learn them on curbs but when I lock in, I just rotate on my nose and come out fakie without sliding. I can fs noseslide and bs/fs boardslide so not sure why this one is throwing me off so much. Any tips?

Turn less than 90 when going in, and dont turn your shoulders at all, just lower body.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: johnes on November 06, 2020, 07:19:58 AM
Front nose grind shuv
Iíve tried about 5 hours total.
Got close a handful of times but still havenít put it down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dallou on November 12, 2020, 06:17:08 AM
I am trying to get quick feet , it's frustrating but fun and I know it will be worth it in the end.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 12, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
@johnes you trying the shove out frontside too or backside? Backside I find is really easy, barely different from doing it out of nosewheelie. Frontside is harder because the board has to go over the top of the ledge and that's harder to control unless you do it at the end of the obstacle.

@dallou the best way to get quicker feet is to cruise around a lot and ollie every other small thing, I think that's the best and most fun way to learn how to spontaneously react to stuff coming up every second and pick it up real quickly.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Stu Pickles on November 12, 2020, 02:52:29 PM
fs crooks and backside 5050 popout fs 180

got pretty damn close to sticking some fs crooks in todays sesh, turned out just going fast made it way easier for me.

the second trick was giving me a lot of trouble. felt really awkward and struggled to get the fs rotation. super easy when doing it off the end of a ledge but once you are trying to move off the ledge and spin the other way i just couldnt get it to feel right. now that im back home I feel that speed would help solve that and opening up the shoulders more while still in the grind. one of those tricks that seems way easier in your head than in practice

also perpetually stumped by 360 flips. got a few good ones a couple weeks back but lost em and struggle to keep the board under me but i can get the flip no problem
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 12, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
fs crooks and backside 5050 popout fs 180

also perpetually stumped by 360 flips. got a few good ones a couple weeks back but lost em and struggle to keep the board under me but i can get the flip no problem

Same, hit and miss for me. Got to re-learn the muscle memory every time I try it, gets progressively better longer into the session.

If anyone knows the secret sauce for FS Feeble grinds on rails, I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 13, 2020, 09:09:22 AM
Nollie fs flips. I could use some advice.
I've never landed one on flat to my knowledge.

Everything looks fine. Im mirroring my half cab one exactly but I get much different results.

My head is right my arms are right my foot positioning is fine.

The board always is way too boned to pull back underneath me and I slip out.

 If I stomp on it I'll bust the nose off for sure.

If I do get my sole on the bolts instead of the side of my foot it is because I didn't put my flicking foot back on the board.

My homie said once those are way better than your Fakie ones.

This kinda hurts my feelings but whatever.
I guess it's good to hear any feed back from friends who I respect as skaters or exskaters.

Skaters really.
In my opinion if you got more than 5 years on a board your a skater for life.

But yeah no matter how good the attempt looks it's never better than a make. You know.

I can do nollie fs flip sw nocomply like every try. We all know that's not a real trick if you can't land the first part ever.

Nasty idiot I am

Iím not good at them but when I land a few I notice that I look back slightly kinda like you would on a fakie one. You said your mirroring your fakie one not sure if your doing that part of not give it a try.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dallou on November 13, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
@johnes you trying the shove out frontside too or backside? Backside I find is really easy, barely different from doing it out of nosewheelie. Frontside is harder because the board has to go over the top of the ledge and that's harder to control unless you do it at the end of the obstacle.

@dallou the best way to get quicker feet is to cruise around a lot and ollie every other small thing, I think that's the best and most fun way to learn how to spontaneously react to stuff coming up every second and pick it up real quickly.

Yes, thank you for the tip !
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on November 14, 2020, 02:44:51 PM
Not a trick more of a technique Iím trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. Iím wondering if it is because Iím short that I donít have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on November 15, 2020, 01:09:44 PM
Not a trick more of a technique Iím trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. Iím wondering if it is because Iím short that I donít have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.

There's a clip from on instagram that kalis posted recently. Someone filmed him doing a treflip from an angle where you can see his foot position quite well. What helped me pop them higher was putting my front foot more in the middle of the board the way that he does in that clip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on November 15, 2020, 06:19:50 PM
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Not a trick more of a technique Iím trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. Iím wondering if it is because Iím short that I donít have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.
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There's a clip from on instagram that kalis posted recently. Someone filmed him doing a treflip from an angle where you can see his foot position quite well. What helped me pop them higher was putting my front foot more in the middle of the board the way that he does in that clip

Thanks man! Just checked out his Instagram and I see what you mean by the front foot near the middle. Looking at mine, I always tend to have my front foot close to my back foot. So commence the unlearning process! Iíll give it a go.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Josepsh on November 15, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
I'm trying too learn kick flips ?. .
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on November 15, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
Trying to learn better technique on flat (just flat ground skating and flat gaps), especially with flip tricks. My kick flips, heels, and even ollies on flat are lower than I'd like, which I think is natural without an object to try to get over, but I want to comfortably yet them higher so I feel more confident trying to go up and over things.

I am tired of stomping stuff out because I'm not giving myself enough height and time to land comfortably. I think I'm either not jumping high enough, not bending my knees enough, or I have poor timing... or a combination of the three. I feel like I'm doin damage to my lower back too coming down so hard on flat ground kick flips lol.

One weird thing that has helped this is actually intentionally leaning forward and lowering my front shoulder... idk what the connection there is but focusing on maintaining forward momentum while I'm going up has added height to my tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 16, 2020, 02:51:59 AM
FS Nosegrind 180 out. Tried them for 2 hours in the blazing heat and only did 3 under-rotates ones. Trick tip videos aren't helpful - use your shoulders to rotate out is not helpful enough. Ideally I want to get a decent length grind before the 180 out but all the trick tips teach the nosebonk version.

Some observations:
- Can't keep my weight centered over my front truck, or maybe it's too centered and not in a position to rotate out?
- I get the best success when I pop low enough to lock in, too high and my tail is too high up, too much weight is on my nose

Where should I be looking before during and after the grind? And if anyone has the word on them, please spread the move.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on November 16, 2020, 06:09:03 AM
Back powerslide to back tail slappy on curbs, I can lock in fine, so I think I just need to play with them a bit more.

Also, was doing fakie big spin late reverts yesterday (or at least getting very close to theM) so I may as well learn bigger spins right?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 16, 2020, 06:59:25 AM
Back powerslide to back tail slappy on curbs, I can lock in fine, so I think I just need to play with them a bit more.

Also, was doing fakie big spin late reverts yesterday (or at least getting very close to theM) so I may as well learn bigger spins right?


I was trying these frontside recently. I think the curb I was skating was just a hair too short cuz every time I'd get in I'd sorta just stall downward.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on November 16, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
I can do the frontside version, thatís what sparked me to start learning them backside. You need to go extra fast because the powerslide slows you down a lot, canít seem to slide them very far though once Iím locked in...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 16, 2020, 02:44:25 PM
I can do the frontside version, thatís what sparked me to start learning them backside. You need to go extra fast because the powerslide slows you down a lot, canít seem to slide them very far though once Iím locked in...

That got me thinking, I can't really do those noseblunt powerslide things on flat but but if you or anyone else can, I just imagined one into an actual nosebluntslide on a curb would be sick. You'd have to either find the perfect curb size and shape or somehow nudge yourself up there, maybe using the wheel bounce from the 'slappy'.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Glurmpz on November 16, 2020, 03:11:02 PM
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I can do the frontside version, thatís what sparked me to start learning them backside. You need to go extra fast because the powerslide slows you down a lot, canít seem to slide them very far though once Iím locked in...
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That got me thinking, I can't really do those noseblunt powerslide things on flat but but if you or anyone else can, I just imagined one into an actual nosebluntslide on a curb would be sick. You'd have to either find the perfect curb size and shape or somehow nudge yourself up there, maybe using the wheel bounce from the 'slappy'.

You just reminded me that I used to do something similar for a short period in the early 2000ís and completely forgot about it.
I would go into a nosebluntslide from riding on top of the ledge. So basically, the power slide style but youíre already on top. Tried out of nose manual but never quite got it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sKINGraft on November 17, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
Not a trick more of a technique Iím trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. Iím wondering if it is because Iím short that I donít have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.

dont scoop it unless you expect to get your height through the helicopter motion your board will do

pop it same as you would any other trick, i find popping your backfoot slightly backwards (reverse of direction of travel) helps to send it upwards AND keep it underneath you

dont forget to jump
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on November 19, 2020, 02:23:01 PM
How the fuck do people learn and keep flatground tricks

I got a pretty good bag of ledge tricks, but my flatground just keeps getting worse and worse. Probably like 4 months ago I had shuvs, bigspin, kickflip, heelflip, and could catch a couple fs flips and get really close to tres. The tricks I had also felt good like I did kf 5050 and kf manual.

Now I lost all of them and it's not for lack of trying just day by day they get worse and worse until it becomes such a challenge to land even one kickflip even though they used to be almost every try. I know so many of my friends who can barely do a 5050 but have a deep ass bag of flatground tricks just from messing around, not even trying hard to learn anything. Whats the secret I don't wanna just only be able to ollie and shuv damnit
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2020, 06:34:54 PM
How the fuck do people learn and keep flatground tricks

I got a pretty good bag of ledge tricks, but my flatground just keeps getting worse and worse. Probably like 4 months ago I had shuvs, bigspin, kickflip, heelflip, and could catch a couple fs flips and get really close to tres. The tricks I had also felt good like I did kf 5050 and kf manual.

Now I lost all of them and it's not for lack of trying just day by day they get worse and worse until it becomes such a challenge to land even one kickflip even though they used to be almost every try. I know so many of my friends who can barely do a 5050 but have a deep ass bag of flatground tricks just from messing around, not even trying hard to learn anything. Whats the secret I don't wanna just only be able to ollie and shuv damnit

Same struggle here, I have all my basic ledge tricks but I suck at flatground. I've given up on heelflips entirely (fuck 'em) and only do kickflip variations. And likewise I've seen kids who have a deep bag of flatground tricks and perfect 360 flips but struggle with 50-50s. A year ago I could only BS Shuv, FS Shuv, FS Flip and Half-Cab Flip; every regular kickflip was a rocket + mob flip. Fast forward today and I've got my staples down, still not deep by any means but more consistent than a year ago. Even added Big Spins, BS Kickflip (10 year struggle), 360 flips and occasionally switch heelflips,

Speaking anecdotally: flatground tricks are finesse tricks, requiring much more precision to get weight distribution, timing, rotation, eye point right. If you're popping at a weird angle or your shoulders aren't aligned the board doesn't cooperate. Grind / slide tricks are much more forgiving in terms of precise motion since you can compensate it with speed and forward momentum. That said a KF BS Tailslide or popping out mid-ledge of a Nosegrind still requires precision, just a different kind.

It's frustrating to have a small bag of flatground tricks and the problem is exacerbated when I'm at the park, neglecting any flatground so I can keep skating the ledge.

I can't do them well
I'll skate other things
My flatground deteriorates
I can't do them well
I'll skate other things
My flatground deteriorates
I can't do them well
I'll skate other things
My flatground deteriorates

It's pop science but flatground works best for me when I'm not overthinking it or trying too hard. I stick to the stuff I know I can land, like a kickflip and correct it from there. Are my shoulders aligned? Am I getting a solid pop? Flicking too late? Dipping my head? Then apply that same line of working through the rest of the flatground tricks bit by bit. @silhouette mentioned it before but Fakie / Nollie variations of tricks can much easier than their regular / switch counterparts, so have fun with those. Also, a little help from a bank can do wonders to giving you the extra height / rotation needed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 20, 2020, 01:03:31 AM
For flatground stuff, understanding the technical aspect in the first place is important but as far as physical practice I'd say sweating it is counterproductive to a degree (unless you're really trying to learn something fucked up hard), in other terms whenever one wants to get specific flatground dialed I've observed that most of the time they're better off regularly throwing the tricks in the middle or at the end of their lines, casually, than singling them out and repeatedly trying them over and over. Once they've figured out how to form a trick, they're really just wasting energy and might even develop bad habits by doing that. Doing stuff in lines makes you really want it in the spur of the moment, whereas repeatedly trying a flatground trick you're barely able to form, your brain will really start tuning off a few unsuccessful attempts into the process.

Also something I never really see people bring up is actually keeping landing tricks throughout a session is important, and it doesn't matter what the tricks are and how simple, frequency on makes count in the flow and vibe of a session. Doing all the shit you have dialed and landing more stuff than you bail in general will keep you in the groove whereas repeatedly failing stuff and spending more time on the ground than rolling around will break it and make everything a lot harder (occasionally sending you into a downwards spiral mentally). If something just doesn't work in a few tries just fuck it, keep going with more lands on other stuff and try again later. Basically the logic behind the THPS special meter is real, regardless of how corny that vulgarization might sound.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on November 20, 2020, 01:23:40 AM
Also something I never really see people bring up is actually keeping landing tricks throughout a session is important, and it doesn't matter what the tricks are and how simple, frequency on makes count in the flow and vibe of a session. Doing all the shit you have dialed and landing more stuff than you bail in general will keep you in the groove whereas repeatedly failing stuff and spending more time on the ground than rolling around will break it and make everything a lot harder (occasionally sending you into a downwards spiral mentally). If something just doesn't work in a few tries just fuck it, keep going with more lands on other stuff and try again later. Basically the logic behind the THPS special meter is real, regardless of how corny that vulgarization might sound.

For sure. I think it also helps calm you down and you skate with a lot less tension both physically and psychologically.  Spending a lot of time missing tricks is jarring and you end up nit-picking where you go wrong and spend a lot of the session in a doubtful state of mind.
My old basketball coach would always get me to warm up with easy shots close to the basket or at my favoured "go to" spots for the same reason.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 20, 2020, 10:00:50 AM
Everyone needs encouragement during their sport or activity. In Muay Thai my coaches would smile or exclaim loudly on a solid kick or combination to keep my morale up.
I used to keep trying tricks for hours on end growing up but it really stunted my progress and killed me mentally. These days I'll see how I'm feeling during the session. If things are flowing well I'll push myself to try something new. If not I'll stick to my staples but get them cleaner, faster, longer etc.
Incorporating tricks in a line is a lot of fun too and feels much more natural than hammering 1 trick out for hours. It looks good and feels good.

Got to get that special meter fully charged!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on November 21, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
Totally agree with all that's being said about not forcing the process of learning tricks and making sure to take time to do things you know you can make and have fun doing during a session.

Set out for an early morning session with the end goal of landing a few fakie heels, which give me nightmares because I'm at the point where I land every one in five or so. I'm really close to dialing them in.

Instead of heading right for the flat ground bball court at my local, I warmed up with other shit and skated the ledges... didn't even think about fakie heels. Then I cruised over to the smooth flat and threw about 4 or 5 with no luck, so I went back to skating ledges and having fun. I repeated this a few times and then ended up landing a few in a row on one trip to the flat, which def would not have happened if I stressed over them for an hour straight.

It's all in ya head.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: johnes on December 10, 2020, 08:27:23 PM
@johnes you trying the shove out frontside too or backside? Backside I find is really easy, barely different from doing it out of nosewheelie. Frontside is harder because the board has to go over the top of the ledge and that's harder to control unless you do it at the end of the obstacle.

@dallou the best way to get quicker feet is to cruise around a lot and ollie every other small thing, I think that's the best and most fun way to learn how to spontaneously react to stuff coming up every second and pick it up real quickly.
Backside, it seems like it shouldnít be hard but Iím really bad at balancing nose grinds and end up doing 5050s 70% of the attempts, I havenít tried again since I posted about trying to learn it, I actually forgot I had been trying that until just now lol.
Although I got really close to landing one with a frontside nollie shuv, I just happened to feel like my legs wanted to do it on one attempt and I landed with the front foot on and the back foot mostly on the ground but my toe was on and if my back foot had been like 6inches to the left it would have been a super happy accident.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 14, 2020, 04:37:59 AM
Half cab nose slide front 270 out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on December 14, 2020, 05:58:54 AM
Consistent proper kickflips. Also working on heelflips and FS flips but nowhere near landing them atm  >:(
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on December 14, 2020, 07:03:00 AM
Trying to get fs flips and switch frontside 3s consistent. Trying to learn switch fs bigspin. I can stick one or two a session but itís always sketchy and I step off.
Also trying to learn kickflip manuals. I have regular kickflips 1000/1000 and I can Ollie in to manuals really well but trying to put them together is the most frustrating shit. So far Iíve learned how to land on the tail every try but now itís a weight/ timing thing.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MarxLenin on December 14, 2020, 08:14:37 AM
Hardflip and switch tre. I have landed these tricks by luck one time each, but I can't do them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 14, 2020, 08:52:40 AM
Slappy tail slides, FS & BS.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 14, 2020, 09:06:23 AM
Trying to get fs flips and switch frontside 3s consistent. Trying to learn switch fs bigspin. I can stick one or two a session but itís always sketchy and I step off.
Also trying to learn kickflip manuals. I have regular kickflips 1000/1000 and I can Ollie in to manuals really well but trying to put them together is the most frustrating shit. So far Iíve learned how to land on the tail every try but now itís a weight/ timing thing.

Kickflip manuals - just trust your 'automatic' kickflips up the thing you're trying to manual (kickflips up stuff have always felt a lot different than on flat for me because you're especially focused on clearing the obstacle height and thus a bit less on the trick itself), and treat it like a normal ollie into the manual just with the extra flick somewhere in there, the kickflip really should feel like a natural extension of the motion you're used to with no real afterthought. The worst that can happen on that trick is catching the flip upside down or landing on the tail like you said so you can allow yourself to feel comfortable with that part and not overthink the kickflip at all, that won't cost you to eat shit.

Switch bigspins you need to find the right pop and then they should become really easy in no time if you're already catching and landing on them. Really focus on the switch frontside 180 motion with your upper body as you sort of use the rebound of the tail to send it around over to your other foot for the catch like you're essentially passing a soccer ball to yourself (that's how it tends to feel like). Done right the trick should really feel like a switch frontside 180 (rollaway included) just with that extra little pass in the middle of it.

Switch frontside 360 ollie is a cool trick, much easier than regs. They're all in the shoulders and trusting your weight distribution on the landing (the only mistake one can do here is thinking of the trick as a 360 nollie and landing on the wrong truck, that's all you really need to figure out how to avoid). You should try switch f/s flips if you're into switch frontside tricks, I find them easier than both normal stance frontside flips and straight switch flips (it's actually a fun secret way to get better at switch flips).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on December 14, 2020, 01:33:09 PM
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Trying to get fs flips and switch frontside 3s consistent. Trying to learn switch fs bigspin. I can stick one or two a session but itís always sketchy and I step off.
Also trying to learn kickflip manuals. I have regular kickflips 1000/1000 and I can Ollie in to manuals really well but trying to put them together is the most frustrating shit. So far Iíve learned how to land on the tail every try but now itís a weight/ timing thing.
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Kickflip manuals - just trust your 'automatic' kickflips up the thing you're trying to manual (kickflips up stuff have always felt a lot different than on flat for me because you're especially focused on clearing the obstacle height and thus a bit less on the trick itself), and treat it like a normal ollie into the manual just with the extra flick somewhere in there, the kickflip really should feel like a natural extension of the motion you're used to with no real afterthought. The worst that can happen on that trick is catching the flip upside down or landing on the tail like you said so you can allow yourself to feel comfortable with that part and not overthink the kickflip at all, that won't cost you to eat shit.

Switch bigspins you need to find the right pop and then they should become really easy in no time if you're already catching and landing on them. Really focus on the switch frontside 180 motion with your upper body as you sort of use the rebound of the tail to send it around over to your other foot for the catch like you're essentially passing a soccer ball to yourself (that's how it tends to feel like). Done right the trick should really feel like a switch frontside 180 (rollaway included) just with that extra little pass in the middle of it.

Switch frontside 360 ollie is a cool trick, much easier than regs. They're all in the shoulders and trusting your weight distribution on the landing (the only mistake one can do here is thinking of the trick as a 360 nollie and landing on the wrong truck, that's all you really need to figure out how to avoid). You should try switch f/s flips if you're into switch frontside tricks, I find them easier than both normal stance frontside flips and straight switch flips (it's actually a fun secret way to get better at switch flips).
Switch fs 360 is one of my favorite tricks. Majority of the time I land in manual or I land dead in my tracks. I will work on switch fs flips today. Iíve gotten fairly close to them before but never really battled them. Just learned switch flips not long ago.
Everyday I feel closer to kickflip manual. Maybe today Iíll hold a few
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 14, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Slappy tail slides, FS & BS.
I'm with you on this one mate!
I can lock into them fine, just need to get my slide going for a bit longer

***
Since I'm obsessed with switch 360 (frontside) power slides, I've started doing switch 270 to front nose bash/ slappy!
I think this could be a really cool trick
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on December 15, 2020, 12:05:51 AM
Manny fs revert to fakie manny. I just want to feel a smiggen of what Daewon feels.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 15, 2020, 12:57:47 AM
Switch fs 360 is one of my favorite tricks. Majority of the time I land in manual or I land dead in my tracks.

Mine usually feel like I'm using my hips for the last quarter of the rotation, as if I'm short on height (and I don't have much pop on that trick, I mostly just scoop it) then that allows me to 'brute force slide' through whatever is left of it on flat (ideally as little as possible) without needing to land on just two wheels, basically when you figure out the right weight distribution the landing comes pretty naturally and you can easily fix whatever's going wrong on that particular attempt by pushing through and it's kind of a blind motion where I rely on my hips and straightened non-popping leg to guide the last part around naturally as my lower body realigns with my upper body. I probably learned them with a revert on just two wheels at first, though, can't remember, either way once you can do that my technique is essentially the same except on all four wheels whenever I miss getting the full 360 in the air (which is a lot, but not always).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on December 15, 2020, 03:27:08 AM
front lip 270 shove, i think it'd work well on this spot

(https://i.imgur.com/SFUeid7.png)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on December 15, 2020, 05:32:37 AM
Half cab nose slide front 270 out.

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1/2 Cab Noseslide 270 out
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This one and its nollie counterpart elude me too even though I do nollie tails and halfcab noses a lot, to the point where I'd be more comfortable trying to pretzel out the other way, but I know exactly why, it's because I don't want to commit to a 360 trick from that position, a lot of the rotation is blindside and it's pretty scary launching yourself off the obstacle that particular way. But if I really wanted to learn them I think I'd focus on the 360 and not the noseslide/tailslide part to the point where locking in would be an afterthought, so my shoulders would be aligned with what I'm actually trying to do. I kind of see it like when people do, say, halfcab k b/s 180 out and it looks like they really just kind of caballerial'd with some nosepick action in the middle. You gotta trust the trick and momentum and dare to shift your weight, which is exactly what I know at least I don't do. Kind of similar to people first learning bigspins and constantly slipping out because they underestimate how much they need to spin and are (again) scared to commit to so much. For nollie tailslide to fakies I literally imagine I'm doing a frontside 180 nollie on flat with an accessory tailslide in the middle, the flow of the motion is everything so I assume one has to approach the boosted version the same way. Also one thing I'm just now realizing that also resonates with that logic is I used to do switch boardslide 270's a lot and those always felt like flatground switch 360 ollies to me where you'd just delay the rotation a tiny bit.

On occasion I do do this shitty trick where I'll land into manual after a halfcab nose by accident and have too much momentum in my upper body so to stay on the board I'll spontaneously revert back to fakie from there, so it's like a halfcab nose 270 on the wrong truck but that's a mistake and not the real thing. That reflex actually happens a lot to me as a 'save' to roll away from ledge tricks I catch myself accidentally landing on the back truck, even simple front boards.

Same trick I'm working on. I'm still not rotating early enough on the exit, like 1/4 second earlier, still feels like I'm cheating by reverting the last 180 after all 4 wheels make contact. What I found helps with the rotation is having the shoulder of your sliding foot (I'm regular, my left foot presses on the nose during the slide) be parallel to the ledge, so you pre-wind your body to make the exit smoother and faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32HEv17pAiU

Matt Bennett doesn't do a good job explaining but pretzling your upper body really helps the lower body with the exit rotation.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 15, 2020, 06:35:44 AM
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Slappy tail slides, FS & BS.
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I'm with you on this one mate!
I can lock into them fine, just need to get my slide going for a bit longer

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Since I'm obsessed with switch 360 (frontside) power slides, I've started doing switch 270 to front nose bash/ slappy!
I think this could be a really cool trick

Yeah, I know we were discussing techniques the other day but I've hardly had any chance to skate. Going to get out for like an hour on my lunch break today and just try and work them out.
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Post by: finecojeffe on December 15, 2020, 07:47:57 AM
got a few I have to relearn and some new ones I'm trying to work out. Having nerve damage from a back injury means relearning stuff all the time though. The new ones for me are full cab (can do nollie 360 but never just cab), nose bash 180 pretzel way, and half cab flip. Alway been able to half cab heel but never kf for some reason...it's usually a shin basher so I just never commit to it. I also need to relearn just about any ledge trick, even 5050. My legs keep getting the wires crossed and wind up going bolt straight for some reason, i'm talking anything above curb height.
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Post by: Prostate Exam on December 16, 2020, 12:27:00 AM
Madonnas, I have lien to tails down very well, fingerflip tails too. But somehow I cant stick my foot out.
I can do Beanplant to tails like a madonna, but its different, since you use your front leg to press your weight up the transition. Sticking your foot out mid air just doesn't work for me

Thats how I do my lien to tails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe5jcc--ZFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe5jcc--ZFI)
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Post by: silhouette on December 16, 2020, 09:17:59 AM
Madonnas, I have lien to tails down very well, fingerflip tails too. But somehow I cant stick my foot out.
I can do Beanplant to tails like a madonna, but its different, since you use your front leg to press your weight up the transition. Sticking your foot out mid air just doesn't work for me

I love lien to tails and I've tried madonnas before, I agree the motion is so weird. The only ones I've actually 'landed' (personally I don't count that) have been with a stall on the way down instead of just the cool tail tap thing going with the flow. I think there's something about the front foot barely being even needed for lien to tails, since you're grabbing the board it doesn't have to guide the ollie around and that's what needs to be exploited, so with that in mind, to me getting the foot out that way isn't too hard but then it's mostly getting it back on without the need for a lunch break on the coping with a view. Probably comes with practice.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: kike on December 16, 2020, 02:56:52 PM
Fs nose slide, I'm getting on the ledge but always end with little to no slide and usually fakie out. I gotta man up and sit on my leg but it's kinda scary.

Also varial flips, just figured out today how to properly flick it. They must look gross but a super fun trick to do.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on December 16, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
Fs nose slide, I'm getting on the ledge but always end with little to no slide and usually fakie out. I gotta man up and sit on my leg but it's kinda scary.

Also varial flips, just figured out today how to properly flick it. They must look gross but a super fun trick to do.

Possibly turn less, keep the weight on your toe, dip your front (left if you're regular) shoulder down a bit lower when you get in
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on December 20, 2020, 05:42:57 AM
Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: NG on December 20, 2020, 06:27:55 AM
Bs noseblunts on a very small quarterpipe. I just started thinking of them as a very late back disaster, or a back disaster that I fuck up on and end up landing on top of the coping. Still trying to get them without perching up there for a while but I had always thought these would be way out of reach.

Any tips for smoothing things out and making the pause on top shorter?
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Post by: Paperclip20 on December 22, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.

Stick with what you are doing when the board lands under you wheel side up, then adjust your flicking foot positioning. I only have my toes just barely hanging off the board for mine, but some people will have nearly half their foot hanging.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on December 22, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
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Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.
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Stick with what you are doing when the board lands under you wheel side up, then adjust your flicking foot positioning. I only have my toes just barely hanging off the board for mine, but some people will have nearly half their foot hanging.

Thank you, I had to play with my foot positioning a lot when learning heelflips and for these, I've just been putting my front foot in the same spot as when I heelflip. I'm going to try to see how it feels to adjust it when I'm going for heelflip Shuvs

Not directly related, but has anyone found that opening up your shoulders in the direction you are moving has helped your skating? Lately I've been trying to be really intentional about keeping my shoulders open so my upper body is facing the direction I'm moving before a trick and it has helped with many different tricks. I feel that it really helps with backside ledge tricks, sucking up Ollies to get over things, and staying over/catching flip tricks.

Cyrus Bennett's style is a good example of what I'm talking about.
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 23, 2020, 09:36:12 AM
360 flops I got the scoop down and land on the back foot but it either comes out like a impossible or 360 shuv WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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Post by: silhouette on December 25, 2020, 02:03:22 AM
360 flops I got the scoop down and land on the back foot but it either comes out like a impossible or 360 shuv WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?!

Front foot placement or flick motion is probably a little off. You're supposed to build tension over the board and then release it in a way that feels like the front foot action is an automatic reaction to the back foot action. Gotta find that sweet spot for both feet and then the right pop for it. If done properly you should fell your front foot lifting the board on its way up, otherwise it means you're missing the flick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 25, 2020, 06:46:05 AM
FS Nosegrind 180 out. Tried them for 2 hours in the blazing heat and only did 3 under-rotates ones. Trick tip videos aren't helpful - use your shoulders to rotate out is not helpful enough. Ideally I want to get a decent length grind before the 180 out but all the trick tips teach the nosebonk version.

Some observations:
- Can't keep my weight centered over my front truck, or maybe it's too centered and not in a position to rotate out?
- I get the best success when I pop low enough to lock in, too high and my tail is too high up, too much weight is on my nose

Where should I be looking before during and after the grind? And if anyone has the word on them, please spread the move.

I always look where I want to land then the pivot point and back. .
I almost always bs nose Grind now. It's just easier. I can still do the fs nose Grind fs 80 but it's always felt not great to me.

I have found it's all about letting your lead arm do the beginning. Then with out dropping it use your back arm to make the pivot.

Under rotation can be slid out if you twist your back foot on it's tippy toes.

I'm like 10 Valiums deep rn. I'll clean this post later
.I can maybe film one this week?
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
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360 flops I got the scoop down and land on the back foot but it either comes out like a impossible or 360 shuv WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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Front foot placement or flick motion is probably a little off. You're supposed to build tension over the board and then release it in a way that feels like the front foot action is an automatic reaction to the back foot action. Gotta find that sweet spot for both feet and then the right pop for it. If done properly you should fell your front foot lifting the board on its way up, otherwise it means you're missing the flick.
I figured them out from being kinda not hunched but emphasis over the back truck and scoop the back foot like a almost inward kicking your groin flamingo maneuver they look hurt and sketchy but what trick doesn't look whack till later on?
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Post by: j....soy..... on December 26, 2020, 11:10:46 PM
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Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.
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Jam the ball of your foot up against the concave load it up good......then do a front shuv.....it should roll over for yah....

You know how your first learned kickflips or varial flips, you kinda pre-pressure, I still do this with v-heels and it still works...

Stick with what you are doing when the board lands under you wheel side up, then adjust your flicking foot positioning. I only have my toes just barely hanging off the board for mine, but some people will have nearly half their foot hanging.
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Thank you, I had to play with my foot positioning a lot when learning heelflips and for these, I've just been putting my front foot in the same spot as when I heelflip. I'm going to try to see how it feels to adjust it when I'm going for heelflip Shuvs

Not directly related, but has anyone found that opening up your shoulders in the direction you are moving has helped your skating? Lately I've been trying to be really intentional about keeping my shoulders open so my upper body is facing the direction I'm moving before a trick and it has helped with many different tricks. I feel that it really helps with backside ledge tricks, sucking up Ollies to get over things, and staying over/catching flip tricks.

Cyrus Bennett's style is a good example of what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 27, 2020, 12:43:06 AM
Fakie bigger spins, Iím getting better at doing the deconstructed version (fakie big spin to late revert) but canít seem to get them closer to being a single movement ...
Also working on the Kit Kat version where you frontside whip it back to fakie
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on December 28, 2020, 03:34:49 PM
pop off middle of the board

i notice when i ollie up stuff/when i feel like my ollies feel like shit i pop off the toeside edge of the tail, beyond the toeside edge of baseplate so it's turning so hard in the air and feels bad
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Post by: Urtripping on December 29, 2020, 05:52:02 AM
pop off middle of the board

i notice when i ollie up stuff/when i feel like my ollies feel like shit i pop off the toeside edge of the tail, beyond the toeside edge of baseplate so it's turning so hard in the air and feels bad

I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on December 29, 2020, 06:17:16 AM
I would really like to learn how to pop out of 50/50s but its just too much for my brain/body to compute - ollie on ledge - grind and balance - then I just manage somehow to fall off the ledge or at best sort of no pop turn out and roll away.
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Post by: OrangeVHStapes on December 29, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
Switch manny front shuv
Switch 5-0 front shuv

gotten way closer to switch 5-0 front shuv... They just... Evade me...
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Post by: Peepeeboy69 on December 30, 2020, 08:52:18 AM


I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.

Any tips? I'm seriously losing my mind over this. I've been trying all kinds of crazy back foot positions and nothing seems to work :(
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Post by: Urtripping on December 31, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
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I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.
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Any tips? I'm seriously losing my mind over this. I've been trying all kinds of crazy back foot positions and nothing seems to work :(

For me, it came from the fact that I had developed a habit of popping ollies with the ball of my foot, sometimes with toes even hanging off the topside edge on the tail. It looked and felt awful. The fix was actually pretty simple, I just tried to put my toes directly in the middle of the tail and all the way back on the edge (as far as my foot could go without toes hanging off) whenever popping any ollie. In fact, to make it a habit I would keep my toes there intentionally as I was cruising around and make a point to pop over anything and everything (over manholes/cracks/trash in the street, up and down curbs whenever I could). Soon it just became the natural foot placement my body goes to whenever doing an ollie, and they felt much more consistent and I felt much more confident doing them (this also made kickflips feel 1000% better, too)
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Post by: shredder sequel on December 31, 2020, 07:14:36 PM
Kickflips. Iíve avoided learning them since I first saw somebody do one in the 80s. Now I decided to learn them to give me something to do while Iím unemployed.
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on December 31, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
I would really like to learn how to pop out of 50/50s but its just too much for my brain/body to compute - ollie on ledge - grind and balance - then I just manage somehow to fall off the ledge or at best sort of no pop turn out and roll away.

For me it came down to being able to skate on a really nice, long ledge. I'm just a month or 2 back into skating and had never thought about adjusting foot placement or popping out of a 50-50 until relearning the trick on said ledge.

On the long, buttery ledge I realized that I don't have to rush to get out of the grind, I could work on balance and adjust the feet. I mean, it took realizing that by focusing on adjusting my feet during the 5050 the only thing I had to lose was possibly not landing the trick. It was all a mental game. You know what I mean? In paying attention to foot placement while in the grind, I started paying attention to placement while popping into the grind and realized that to lock in on a mid shin/knee height ledge I need the front foot right around the back front bolts. Once I'm locked, I can start moving and not rush in and out of the grind. Once feet are adjusted, I pop

Maybe that makes sense.
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 01, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...

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Post by: Easy Slider on January 01, 2021, 08:35:32 AM


Maybe that makes sense.

I guess it does, thanks. I have a long buttery ledge (actually metal clad) so I will give it a try next time itĎs dry outside.

Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...


What do you mean, back foot in the pocket is the problem or the solution?
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 01, 2021, 03:09:58 PM
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Maybe that makes sense.
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I guess it does, thanks. I have a long buttery ledge (actually metal clad) so I will give it a try next time itĎs dry outside.

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Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...

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What do you mean, back foot in the pocket is the problem or the solution?

for sure. in a nutshell, for me anyways, it's just about not rushing and experiencing new foot placements.
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Post by: moonordie on January 01, 2021, 03:47:42 PM
Cab flips
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Post by: MorningSesh on January 02, 2021, 12:16:20 PM
Fakie manuals, learning how to hold them longer first
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 02, 2021, 11:28:30 PM
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Maybe that makes sense.
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I guess it does, thanks. I have a long buttery ledge (actually metal clad) so I will give it a try next time itĎs dry outside.

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Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...

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What do you mean, back foot in the pocket is the problem or the solution?
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for sure. in a nutshell, for me anyways, it's just about not rushing and experiencing new foot placements.

Yah, your toe should be in the heel side pocket...I guess even if it's not, you pop off that zone....even practice it on the ground or something small and you're comfortable with.....in....out....
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Post by: FS-OverKOOK on January 03, 2021, 10:04:00 PM
switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on January 05, 2021, 01:36:51 AM
switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.

Same Issue. Almost everything switch/fakie backside does not make any sense for me(except sw crooks). I just don't know where too look, when to pop etc. Back truck is always missing. I think the main problem are my shoulders and upper body in general. Just never got used to it. I have to look backwards and have my whole body already twisted before popping to get backside 180 tricks completely around switch.
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 05, 2021, 01:58:14 AM
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switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.
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Same Issue. Almost everything switch/fakie backside does not make any sense for me(except sw crooks). I just don't know where too look, when to pop etc. Back truck is always missing. I think the main problem are my shoulders and upper body in general. Just never got used to it. I have to look backwards and have my whole body already twisted before popping to get backside 180 tricks completely around switch.

Copy and pasting what I said to someone else in another thread about switch backside 5050s, 5-0s etc:

Roll up at a decent angle, put your front foot slightly further down than you normally would. When you're rolling up and popping you can look at the ledge/the direction you're going and have your shoulders slightly open.

As soon as you pop, turn your shoulders backside so that they are parallel with the ledge, to help with this you can try to look at your back foot immediately after you pop. I find that helps me trick my body into closing off my shoulders better and it also helps line up the board with the ledge. This will be scary af at first because you'll feel really blind to everything but once you get used to it it starts to feel kinda natural. You really have to feel like you're way overdoing the backside turn.

Also make sure you pop a straight, if not slightly backside, ollie and don't subconsciously turn it frontside at all to get into willy/boardslide/feeble. Practicing switch ollies parallel (or at a slight angle) backside up a curb can also help you get the feeling.

I think a lot of switch tricks (50s, 5-0s, smiths) are easier to learn/get into frontside but once you figure out how to get into them backside its less awkward to hold onto and feels more natural to sit on.
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Post by: Hombreezy on January 05, 2021, 09:51:22 AM
Nollie bs 180 to fakie manual
Fakie bs flip
Bs 360
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 05, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.

When I'm trying this trick what seems to be the moving target is the point which I say.....'oh fuck no.... Never'. Sometimes it's 3 feet from the curb....sometimes it's when I pop....
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 05, 2021, 12:22:01 PM
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I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.
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Any tips? I'm seriously losing my mind over this. I've been trying all kinds of crazy back foot positions and nothing seems to work :(
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For me, it came from the fact that I had developed a habit of popping ollies with the ball of my foot, sometimes with toes even hanging off the topside edge on the tail. It looked and felt awful. The fix was actually pretty simple, I just tried to put my toes directly in the middle of the tail and all the way back on the edge (as far as my foot could go without toes hanging off) whenever popping any ollie. In fact, to make it a habit I would keep my toes there intentionally as I was cruising around and make a point to pop over anything and everything (over manholes/cracks/trash in the street, up and down curbs whenever I could). Soon it just became the natural foot placement my body goes to whenever doing an ollie, and they felt much more consistent and I felt much more confident doing them (this also made kickflips feel 1000% better, too)

Pretty sure it was @Uncle Flea who initially posted it, but pretend your board is only as wide as the baseplates (for both feet). It definitely helped me with my pop and getting out of some really bad habits with foot positioning.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FUBAR on January 06, 2021, 02:50:24 AM
Fakie kickflip. I can land with the ball of my front foot barely on the deck but thats it. Frustrating the shit out of me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on January 06, 2021, 08:00:32 AM
Fs blunt on ledges after that Iíll learn shuv out
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Post by: rocklobster on January 06, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
Fs blunt on ledges after that Iíll learn shuv out

Same, I'm popping way too high and over-rotating my board onto the ledge.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on January 06, 2021, 06:45:15 PM
Nollie heels

Not computing.
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 06, 2021, 08:13:40 PM
Best trick to credit card yourself on...
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 06, 2021, 08:51:00 PM
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Fs blunt on ledges after that Iíll learn shuv out
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Same, I'm popping way too high and over-rotating my board onto the ledge.

Keep your ollie rocketed, dont have to turn that much either, wayyyyy less than a back tail. Wrote something about blunts somewhere, I could try dig that up.

I used to do a lot of front blunts but lost them a while ago, trying to (re)learn them too and its been a chore. I can hold and slide them very vertically very comfortably from the muscle memory, but my brain has been glitching on the dismount for like 18 months now, can't figure out what it is.

Also kinda trying to get comfortable doing tricks over stuff again. Never considered myself someone who really had pop but I could ollie over stuff just short of the height of a board without too much difficulty, switch ollies over sideways bins  were super natural too. But not skating over stuff in a year or two has made it such a struggle, and doing lots of switch 5-0s on small ledges has messed up my switch ollie form. Not fun to practice though
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 12, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and canít sit on them.
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Post by: imjusthereforthechips on January 14, 2021, 02:24:47 AM
currently trying to learn how to control my drinking without aa, medication, and all the other bullshit(one of my new years resolutions). i quit cigarettes, coke, painkillers, barbs, and most recently, weed all on my own so addiction is no stranger to me. so far ive been trying to drink less and less with each day but tonight is one of those nights where its just going down like water. nothing bad happened to me to make it happen, its just one of those nights.
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Post by: codymacfan on January 14, 2021, 01:11:23 PM
Nollie heels

Not computing.

I found that my main issue w/ these was having my toes hang off too much on the flicking foot. Put my flick foot a little more centered and they improved. Pop wise just popping fast and hard. Seems to be my strategy w/ all heel flip tricks.
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Post by: Space Cowboy on January 14, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and canít sit on them.

I was hoping someone would have a tip on this too, fs smith on concrete ledges took a while to figure out but I can't get the bs smith to grind
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 14, 2021, 07:38:10 PM
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Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and canít sit on them.
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I was hoping someone would have a tip on this too, fs smith on concrete ledges took a while to figure out but I can't get the bs smith to grind

I'm not particularly good at holding them, and struggle a lot with getting in in the middle of the ledge and popping out, but can do them on most concrete ledges. Gotta focus on ollieing into the ledge gently, not down onto the ledge if that makes sense. And of course leaning back and really pushing the back foot... and wax. Front foot a lil bit further back might help too.

Switch flip back tail has been ruining my life for a while now. I guess I've technically done a few, but yet to roll away clean from a good one. Plan is to keep flinging a few every other sesh and hope that it clicks one day.
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Post by: Youoverthere on January 23, 2021, 09:32:11 PM
Fs blunt on ledges after that Iíll learn shuv out
this is as close as Iím getting for now. (https://i.imgur.com/w0ZWHTw.mp4)
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Post by: rocklobster on January 24, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
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Fs blunt on ledges after that Iíll learn shuv out
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this is as close as Iím getting for now. (https://i.imgur.com/w0ZWHTw.mp4)

Tried FS Blunts today and only slide on 1 after 10 attempts, no land yet. I feel like I should be locking in way earlier on the ledge; on the attempts I lock and slide I barely have any time to react to the exit.
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Post by: Murge on January 24, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
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Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and canít sit on them.
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I was hoping someone would have a tip on this too, fs smith on concrete ledges took a while to figure out but I can't get the bs smith to grind

Kinda toying with this now. I can get in to them but always leaning to far forward and I donít know why Iím having trouble getting weight over back foot. Any tips ? Iím all ears.
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Post by: fs1/2cab on January 24, 2021, 11:54:25 AM
switch running and throw down
fakie hardflip
and like that guy above me, fs smith on concrete ledges
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Post by: MorningSesh on January 24, 2021, 01:15:45 PM
switch running and throw down
fakie hardflip
and like that guy above me, fs smith on concrete ledges
going off your name - do you have fs halfcab flips? Thatís a trick IĎd like to learn
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Post by: rocklobster on January 24, 2021, 05:50:44 PM
Front blunt on ledges, lock and no slide, or controlled slide.
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Post by: Mark Renton on January 25, 2021, 02:22:07 AM
Bs tailslides for as long as I can remember
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Post by: rocklobster on January 25, 2021, 07:52:40 AM
Bs tailslides for as long as I can remember

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113553.0

Started this thread to help break through the struggle.
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Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 25, 2021, 09:38:28 AM
Bs big spins; I think I started to figure it out yesterday. I'm landing some 270 at this point, whereas I couldn't even spin them without the board doing a half flip before. Seems like putting my back foot right on the tip of the tail and my front foot pointed at the nose and little more centered on the board is making the difference; maybe my front foot is more able to guide the spin after I scoop it so it doesn't start to turn so much over that way? I'm thinking I just have to wind up and really throw my shoulders and hips a bit more and then it will come together.  At least then I might have a better chance of sliding that last 90 degrees and riding away, but the goal is a full 360 spin, obviously. 

Also nollie flips, but I had a breakthrough with controlling the flip yesterday.  I felt like a few of them I got were pretty nicely flicked, caught super clean with that satisfying smack on the soles of my feet, and I was shocked to even land a couple bolts. Really looking forward to seeing if I can get them more consistently; a nice, clean nollie flip is one of the most magical-looking tricks, in my opinion.
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Post by: fs1/2cab on January 25, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
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switch running and throw down
fakie hardflip
and like that guy above me, fs smith on concrete ledges
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going off your name - do you have fs halfcab flips? Thatís a trick IĎd like to learn

well I learned them on a mellow bank first. my english isn't the best but I will try. I would say this trick is mostly in the shoulders, I always like to turn them a bit counterwise before I pop. to get that momentum to do a complete 180. my back foot is in the toe pocket of the tail and my front foot points toward the lower right front truck bolt. so my front foot is really angled.
Couch down, turn your shoulders a bit backside, pop, flick your front foot and turn your shoulders frontside.
Hope that made sense for you ^^