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Title: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on April 08, 2020, 04:50:05 AM
A few months ago they repaved my neighborhood and it’s a super smooth ride now. I’ve just been trying to cruise around switch and get a good switch push going. If I get my front foot position just right then I can fly around, but if it’s off a tiny bit then it’s a total disaster. Doing a revert and getting a strong switch push in right after is an amazing feeling. I can do some tail scraps, hopefully a strong ollie by the end of summer.

What about you?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: no name cargos plug on April 08, 2020, 07:51:31 AM
Bs 360s. Might as well be rocket science ffs :-\
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: formula420 on April 08, 2020, 08:31:34 AM
Half cab heel. I got the rotation but I can't catch em right.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: kook1234 on April 08, 2020, 10:17:37 AM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 08, 2020, 11:00:03 AM
I'm old and trying to relearn some flip tricks as all I can skate during lockdown is flat and curbs...

So...

Half cab flips and nollie varial flips (ugly, I know,  but used to be one of my go tos)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 08, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Also been working on flat ground and slappies when that gets old. I want to be able to do a Str8 8 consistently. Also trying to relearn switch BS 50-50’s, 5-0’s and NGs. Used to be able to do them but never comfortably or consistently.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sketchyrider on April 08, 2020, 12:43:49 PM
would like to 360 flip before im 30 got about a year left. feeling confident about it though.

frontside axle stalls, going back in is scary.

finally ollieing into a manual, i mean i can do it but man does it need improvement.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: zumiezemployeeofthemonth on April 08, 2020, 02:49:46 PM
switch. so basically learning how to skate all over again
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Brguy on April 08, 2020, 11:15:48 PM
Twist my ankle a while back so trying switch/nollie too. Got Nollie fs 180s pretty good, even better than regular nollies.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on April 09, 2020, 01:18:49 AM
Half cab noseslide to bs tailslide. I just need to slide the bs tail fully before I count it as legit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 09, 2020, 01:27:15 AM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/

What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: kook1234 on April 09, 2020, 09:17:20 AM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. I’ve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 09, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/

If you can ollie to wheelie, a fs 5-0 is the same. Just a bit more pressure on the back foot. Try it the end of a ledge. I suck at ledges but I can get short 5-0s sometimes.

I struggle with varial heels, I land 1 out of 20. Makes no sense to me since heelflips and fs shoves are my go to tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. I’ve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(

Make sure you rocket your ollie, you don't wanna do a leveled out ollie then put your tail down but rather just do a rocket ollie straight into the 5-0 position.

I finally learnt fucking switch and nollie flips after so long. Trying to get the flick proper before I work on getting them every try. Nollie fs, and sw bs flips to a lesser extent are also coming along as a result.

On ledges, mostly regs and switch back tails, and regs and switch back smith pop out in the middle of the ledge. And also trying to improve the form and pop out on my pinchy grinds (crooked variations and 180 fakie nosegrind variations).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ihatejulio on April 09, 2020, 09:10:50 PM
Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MadeYouLook on April 09, 2020, 10:29:22 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. I’ve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(
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Make sure you rocket your ollie, you don't wanna do a leveled out ollie then put your tail down but rather just do a rocket ollie straight into the 5-0 position.

I finally learnt fucking switch and nollie flips after so long. Trying to get the flick proper before I work on getting them every try. Nollie fs, and sw bs flips to a lesser extent are also coming along as a result.

On ledges, mostly regs and switch back tails, and regs and switch back smith pop out in the middle of the ledge. And also trying to improve the form and pop out on my pinchy grinds (crooked variations and 180 fakie nosegrind variations).

Did you get your switch ollie and nollies good before you added the flip?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 09, 2020, 11:14:13 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. I’ve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(
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Make sure you rocket your ollie, you don't wanna do a leveled out ollie then put your tail down but rather just do a rocket ollie straight into the 5-0 position.

I finally learnt fucking switch and nollie flips after so long. Trying to get the flick proper before I work on getting them every try. Nollie fs, and sw bs flips to a lesser extent are also coming along as a result.

On ledges, mostly regs and switch back tails, and regs and switch back smith pop out in the middle of the ledge. And also trying to improve the form and pop out on my pinchy grinds (crooked variations and 180 fakie nosegrind variations).
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Did you get your switch ollie and nollies good before you added the flip?

Definitely, I'm pretty comfortable skating switch in general. Its just that the switch kickflip flick just felt so strange for the longest time. What helped was to get good at flipping the board halfway and landing upside down consistently... from there its just a matter of flicking harder or jumping higher. Much better than flipping the board fully and landing with only one foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 10, 2020, 01:56:36 AM
Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?

Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 10, 2020, 07:11:56 AM
Never really did any nollie tricks so I’ve been trying a few inbetween other stuff on flat. Want a good nollie 180 but it’s going to just take a while to figure out
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 10, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Never really did any nollie tricks so I’ve been trying a few inbetween other stuff on flat. Want a good nollie 180 but it’s going to just take a while to figure out

My Nollie FS 180 is shit, BS is way worse, I really regret not putting more effort into learning Nollie and Switch in my youth.

There's not much going on right now and I found a little curb area near my home. I'm going to work on stalling BS Lipslides on low curbs, hopefully it translates into finally getting the slide when the lockdown is lifted.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ihatejulio on April 10, 2020, 10:11:56 AM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.

Great stuff, thanks a ton. I also bookmarked what you said about impossibles in the other basic tricks thread. Your descriptions are on point.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on April 10, 2020, 11:53:12 AM
FS 360 shuvs. Landed a few before but it's a real tough one to get down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Shalom Peterson on April 10, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
No Comply FS Shuv to BS Blunt on a curb. It seems like a circus trick to me at this point but I’ve got it twice, just with no slide distance.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 10, 2020, 01:29:46 PM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.
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Great stuff, thanks a ton. I also bookmarked what you said about impossibles in the other basic tricks thread. Your descriptions are on point.
Yeah thanks, that was helpful for me too, especially the part about keeping the tension up. They wrapped pretty easily so I think I must have gotten close or done a putt-putt one in the past. Changed decks/woodshops and lost em again, something to work on this month..

How about pointers for NOT one-footing back 3's? Do you gotta pop a lil more? Scoop less?
I'll like all scoop and it feels like my front foot has nothing to grip to.
I also get dizzy if I flail a few but don't if I land them. Never understood why.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on April 10, 2020, 04:19:26 PM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: truthislie on April 11, 2020, 01:09:10 AM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Big toe on the back foot is what guides the board around the whole time like an impossible while you throw your whole upper body into the spin earlier and quicker than you think you should. Practice that movement for the rotation with backside 360 step hops and you should be golden, then you just do the same thing lifting your front foot up instead of sliding it off and down to the ground. It's not an easy trick to learn on flat but once you start getting it proper it feels amazing, good luck with it.

I also need to ask for advice on that one since I have been trying it on and off for years now. I feel like I can turn my board and my upper body well, but I always end up with my feet parallel to each other (one on the board, one off the board next to it). Any ideas on how to fix this?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 11, 2020, 02:54:13 AM
How about pointers for NOT one-footing back 3's? Do you gotta pop a lil more? Scoop less?
I'll like all scoop and it feels like my front foot has nothing to grip to.
I also get dizzy if I flail a few but don't if I land them. Never understood why.

Sounds like we do our back 3's about the same, all scoop and automatic one-foot (the classic way, not the exaggerated way kids are doing) so I'm not going to be able to help much there. I actually love doing them like that on flat but the downside is I can't really do them down shit with this technique (yet - I haven't tried in ages actually), because of how it's all scoop the board usually ends up leaving my feet from the extra height and continuing for a solo 540 that's impossible to land on. Also the dizziness thing is real! That's my first time reading someone else describe it so well. My guess is that's because when you're in control of the trick you actually know what you're doing, where to look and thus it's one continuous motion, whereas if you're not focused on a specific reference point, just the motion itself is going to be just one silly jump?

You're probably onto something with the more pop and less scoop for the snowboard-style back 3's, that type of control on caballerials on flat has a lot to do with the positioning of the popping foot or so I find, but on a back 3 you're working against the momentum, not with it, which is harder and I couldn't really see popping a back 3 from the same, more comfortable position I use for cabs, big toe in the middle of the tail and all when I gotta use the extra scoop to get the regs counterpart working.

truthislie sounds like the common problem of being scared to commit/land since it's such a blind trick at first. Honestly can't blame you for being normal as landing a bit short then brutally slipping out the wrong way (with all your momentum from the wind-up) on that trick is very much a thing learning it - in a way that's its main trial by fire. I remember a few years ago my back 3's had gotten rusty but I got them back super quick by pretending I was doing backside 360 step hops (which are really simple to me) without putting my foot down, if you've got those good then throwing yourself into and staying over a back 3 is the exact same, so usually I'll just pretend I'm doing the step hop one but brain fart on purpose when the time comes to put the foot down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 11, 2020, 07:05:00 AM
switch lazers cuz im kooky as fuck and only care about winning games of skate
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 11, 2020, 07:34:19 AM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated

If you can find a rounded ledge it’s easier. But get into the 5-0 locked in as far to your heel side wheel as you can. Grind a bit and kind of lift up and turn at the same time kinda pointing into the ledge with your back foot. Hope that helps. I haven’t done that trick in a long ass time.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 11, 2020, 08:09:57 AM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Always either shoots out or I just fall down into a 50-50. I’ve only done one legit 5-0 and it was on a tiny ledge at almost no speed  :'(

Have the same problem but only on higher ledges, small ones i can do them, on the higher i have the exakt same problem as you how much i even try, i think i mayby once or twice got up a real fivo and slided a bit.

But what i most want is bs 50. Just before my big break i was able to come up bs 50 down a 3 stair ledge. Not that high i just thought it was easier down there than doing flat bs 50 50 on curb. I never really did that bs 50 i had been longing for years. And then when i had it in my hand i stopped. (Gonna be honest, Drugs were involved and also work) Last summer coming back from the big break after wrecking myself as hell shit finally came back. To my suprise i could do bs 5050 on medium high ledge almost better than fs. But Trying bs 50 i usally try on the samller ones and i just land bs feeble or bs 5050.

Also bs feeble is one of my tricks i really want, but somehow i feel the angle coming up against a rail feel so uncomfy and result max in a boardslide.

Before the break when i did 50-50 up rails i landed once perfect fs feeble but didnt make it, same when i did bs 50 50 up a rail i landed mayby 1 or 2 times in a bs feeble. I have done fs feeble once when i was in Australia, didnt bring my board but my skate abstinens went overboard bought a whole new one. And on a parking lot there was like a perfect curb i was gonna do a 50 50, landed super clean fs feeble and even popped out of it at the end. WOW that day i was HIGH as FUCK, on skateboarding ofcourse.

Wish Sweden were more like US and AU, more concrete and many sidewalks are perfect small curbs. There are so much things that are perfect for skateboarding. Even AU have those nice mellow sidewalks and some on the parking lot were i did my fs feeble were like a D and i grinded the straight bit and popped off before the D would stop me (No pun intended)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: truthislie on April 11, 2020, 08:44:03 AM
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How about pointers for NOT one-footing back 3's? Do you gotta pop a lil more? Scoop less?
I'll like all scoop and it feels like my front foot has nothing to grip to.
I also get dizzy if I flail a few but don't if I land them. Never understood why.
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truthislie sounds like the common problem of being scared to commit/land since it's such a blind trick at first. Honestly can't blame you for being normal as landing a bit short then brutally slipping out the wrong way (with all your momentum from the wind-up) on that trick is very much a thing learning it - in a way that's its main trial by fire. I remember a few years ago my back 3's had gotten rusty but I got them back super quick by pretending I was doing backside 360 step hops (which are really simple to me) without putting my foot down, if you've got those good then throwing yourself into and staying over a back 3 is the exact same, so usually I'll just pretend I'm doing the step hop one but brain fart on purpose when the time comes to put the foot down.

Thanks man. It´s probably the committing thing. I can do the stephop/no comply variation pretty easily as too. It´s so fucked, there are some tricks I have been trying for years and I´m so close (sometimes even land them, but hever "have" them) but have trouble committing. Moving out of my comfort zone at 36 is pretty hard I guess... That said when I do learn something else it feels like christmas.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated
Best advice I can give is just don't. Don't do "truck-to-truck" grinds. Future you will thank me later.
If you need to fill that void do fs 5-0 to noseslide.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
Do you scoop your ollie like a lazy, early-90's bs 180? Almost guaranteed to goto fakie that way.
Pop and shifty, don't turn your shoulders, twisted at the hips/waist is what works for me. Def keep your shoulders parallel to the ledge and your direction of travel.
Seen the old Natas parts where he does bs 180 tailstalls on a curb? Do that and then work on going it 90* with a kickturn off. Don't worry too much about the slide; shifty, set your tail on there, kickturn.. Can jam it in if the curb/ledge isn't slick.
Once that motion feels comfortable give it some more speed and try pushing a lil when you're standing on it. A little if it's a slick ledge.
If your baseplate is grinding then you're locked in right.
Watching Lotti's evolution would probably be good. In Shackle Me Not he's skating a ledge by the beach, does bs 180 tail shuv out. And in Now n Later he does kf backtail fakie, right?
I'm trying to think of early vids. Hensley.. jlee video days..
SHEFFEY soldiers story..
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Post by: rocklobster on April 11, 2020, 11:54:41 PM
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working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
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What's going wrong? Is the board shooting out from under you?

Trying to make my BS Tailslides consistent. I can do them to fakie within around 10 tries but I can't for the life of me get them to regular consistent.
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Do you scoop your ollie like a lazy, early-90's bs 180? Almost guaranteed to goto fakie that way.
Pop and shifty, don't turn your shoulders, twisted at the hips/waist is what works for me. Def keep your shoulders parallel to the ledge and your direction of travel.
Seen the old Natas parts where he does bs 180 tailstalls on a curb? Do that and then work on going it 90* with a kickturn off. Don't worry too much about the slide; shifty, set your tail on there, kickturn.. Can jam it in if the curb/ledge isn't slick.
Once that motion feels comfortable give it some more speed and try pushing a lil when you're standing on it. A little if it's a slick ledge.
If your baseplate is grinding then you're locked in right.
Watching Lotti's evolution would probably be good. In Shackle Me Not he's skating a ledge by the beach, does bs 180 tail shuv out. And in Now n Later he does kf backtail fakie, right?
I'm trying to think of early vids. Hensley.. jlee video days..
SHEFFEY soldiers story..

Thanks I'll check those out later, keep trying to get out for a morning session but can't get my ass out of bed. I'll head out later to skate the curb later and try this.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 12, 2020, 12:15:24 AM
So I am by no means a back tail expert, but when I first learned them I could also only do them to fakie and couldn't do them to regs for shit... now its harder to fakie.

I think the reason it worked to fakie was because I would turn my whole body kind of like a full back 180 in order to get the tail on and to slide properly instead of doing the torqued out back tail "body language" and coming back out to regular. When I tried them out to regular I either couldn't get it to slide or I wouldn't be able to fully get my tail on.

What helped me fix that was to have your shoulders, head and upper body a bit more 'pre-turned' before getting into the back tail to regs, so that my upper body would have to turn less after popping and it was more on my lower body to get in the back tail. This is harder in the sense that you're more blind to the ledge when rolling up but if you do it properly it feels a bit less twisty on your back and legs since your upper body is already turned a little bit (its not actually turned that much, but since for most people they still look at the ledge when they roll up, closing the shoulders off a bit more like this feels like you're a bit more pre-turned)... not sure if this makes sense but if it does maybe it could help.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 12, 2020, 12:34:57 AM
So I am by no means a back tail expert, but when I first learned them I could also only do them to fakie and couldn't do them to regs for shit... now its harder to fakie.

I think the reason it worked to fakie was because I would turn my whole body kind of like a full back 180 in order to get the tail on and to slide properly instead of doing the torqued out back tail "body language" and coming back out to regular. When I tried them out to regular I either couldn't get it to slide or I wouldn't be able to fully get my tail on.

What helped me fix that was to have your shoulders, head and upper body a bit more 'pre-turned' before getting into the back tail to regs, so that my upper body would have to turn less after popping and it was more on my lower body to get in the back tail. This is harder in the sense that you're more blind to the ledge when rolling up but if you do it properly it feels a bit less twisty on your back and legs since your upper body is already turned a little bit (its not actually turned that much, but since for most people they still look at the ledge when they roll up, closing the shoulders off a bit more like this feels like you're a bit more pre-turned)... not sure if this makes sense but if it does maybe it could help.

Strangely I've had a friend give me that same advice, pre-turn your shoulders so your lower body rotates less to get into the slide. I've tried riding more parallel to the ledge but that makes the lock-in much harder and I end up sticking and not sliding.

There was a brief window of a week when I could do the regular and fakie on command, that mostly revolved around telling myself to ride more parallel and rotate my lower body less.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 12, 2020, 12:43:18 AM
I feel that, going parallel and pre-turning the shoulders makes it much more awkward to roll up to and as a result often harder to lock. Once I overcame that awkward feeling and got the hang of it it overall worked out better for sure. But after neglecting back tails for a few weeks not long ago I kinda lost the feeling again lol
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Weezil on April 12, 2020, 12:48:30 AM
trying to get fs slappys super consistent so I can get into fs slappy crooks.

also 360 flips, super inconsistent, made a 2020 goal to tighten them up and still haven't done it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tom on April 12, 2020, 01:12:54 AM
I want to re-learn backtails too. I never really had a good one to begin with. I think my natural duck-footed standing stance tends to help me naturally turn frontside while making backside tricks harder. I’ve been sizing up my couch though and I feel like i could do them if I were rolling up to a ledge. I just avoid trying them because I know I’m going to slip out and body slam the ground/almost smack my face on the ground
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 12, 2020, 01:19:55 AM
trying to learn how to use the internet without getting multiple accounts banned. don't see ever happening though honestly
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 12, 2020, 01:20:42 AM
even if I was admin on my own site I'd be banned at least 60% of the time
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 12, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
Thanks man. It´s probably the committing thing. I can do the stephop/no comply variation pretty easily as too. It´s so fucked, there are some tricks I have been trying for years and I´m so close (sometimes even land them, but hever "have" them) but have trouble committing. Moving out of my comfort zone at 36 is pretty hard I guess... That said when I do learn something else it feels like christmas.

I'm the same when it comes to the comfort zone, I regularly try to leave mine as though to prove myself that I can still learn new stuff despite getting older (and from time to time I manage to, which is all the more satisfying, like you said), but I also tend to find myself repeating the shit that's always felt good because I guess it's the most natural thing to do, funny how it all works. Nah if you've got the step hop one down you've got this one too, it's really just the same. Maybe pretend you're going for a backside 360 powerslide from the proper positioning with the big toe hanging off the tail but pop while you scoop and jump with it with the same momentum and force you'd use on the step hop? If you can do those 360 powerslide things and basically think of back 3's as the same type of motion just all in the air, maybe you'll feel more comfortable staying over the board the whole way through, if you remember to scrape and guide that tail around like an impossible there's no way you can lose control over it because it will just be attached to that toe.

Also although I think it should be a given, looking back in the direction you're about to spin before you even pop is key, as you're supposed to be ahead of the trick and lead it, not let it get ahead of you while you try to stomp it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 13, 2020, 12:22:38 AM
I stumbled across a great backtail example, good camera angle too.
Watch how his shoulders never turn, really that's perfect form, just proper...
That's what I mean by shiftying. If you get your shoulders 90* to the ledge (parallel with your board) then your body is gonna wanna go fakie and you gotta fight it back.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmp2lucHInM


This made so many 80's kids wanna learn back tails..
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECeSIga1Ukk
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 12:43:12 AM
Why cant i do 3 flip not even the flip with harder trucks? Not even hard trucks, but the harder they are the more impossible it feels to not just get an 360 shuv. When i could do them before my big break i skated super loose Thunders. And now i want more stability but still loose, but when i tighten them past a point i cant make the flip. If i loosen them i can do the flip perfect and land with one foot for example, last summer i landed often on them. But was a bit frustrated cuz i wanted to go just a little tighter for my other tricks was much better with no to loose. And then i cant do the flip even trying to just to the flip and land one foot. I just becomes a 3 shuv. If i commit doing exactly as i done before its scary cuz in my mind i feel its gonna 3 flip but it just 3 shuvs. Anyone got any tips? Imagine stone hard board doing a 3 flip on that, that mayby help me found out the problem. I ride loose trucks so its so weird.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 13, 2020, 02:17:54 AM
Why cant i do 3 flip not even the flip with harder trucks? Not even hard trucks, but the harder they are the more impossible it feels to not just get an 360 shuv. When i could do them before my big break i skated super loose Thunders. And now i want more stability but still loose, but when i tighten them past a point i cant make the flip. If i loosen them i can do the flip perfect and land with one foot for example, last summer i landed often on them. But was a bit frustrated cuz i wanted to go just a little tighter for my other tricks was much better with no to loose. And then i cant do the flip even trying to just to the flip and land one foot. I just becomes a 3 shuv. If i commit doing exactly as i done before its scary cuz in my mind i feel its gonna 3 flip but it just 3 shuvs. Anyone got any tips? Imagine stone hard board doing a 3 flip on that, that mayby help me found out the problem. I ride loose trucks so its so weird.

8 inch board with tight trucks is going to be easier to 3flip on than a wide board with loose trucks if being cool is your priority try making shit loads of money instead of worrying about your treflip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on April 13, 2020, 02:46:10 AM
I've been trying to fuck around with noseblunts. Ive done a few fs noseblunt slides on banks but i never learned how to do them on ledges or stalled on QPs. i did manage to noseblunt to fakie on a parking curb the other day so thats a good start. i need to try to get into a few backside on transition, no idea how to pop in from that one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 04:28:03 AM
I've been trying to fuck around with noseblunts. Ive done a few fs noseblunt slides on banks but i never learned how to do them on ledges or stalled on QPs. i did manage to noseblunt to fakie on a parking curb the other day so thats a good start. i need to try to get into a few backside on transition, no idea how to pop in from that one.

Na man dont take it like that, being cool has nothing to do with it, its all about the trick. Mayby it was a little cool factor when i was at the top of my skating but more so a thing for loose trucks. Me and my friend kinda got addicted to riding looser and looser cuz it felt better in many ways, not only the 3 flips. But now im older and that loose truck obssesion is gone.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on April 13, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
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I've been trying to fuck around with noseblunts. Ive done a few fs noseblunt slides on banks but i never learned how to do them on ledges or stalled on QPs. i did manage to noseblunt to fakie on a parking curb the other day so thats a good start. i need to try to get into a few backside on transition, no idea how to pop in from that one.
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Na man dont take it like that, being cool has nothing to do with it, its all about the trick. Mayby it was a little cool factor when i was at the top of my skating but more so a thing for loose trucks. Me and my friend kinda got addicted to riding looser and looser cuz it felt better in many ways, not only the 3 flips. But now im older and that loose truck obssesion is gone.
I think you quoted the wrong guy, my guy
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PeskOne on April 13, 2020, 05:01:03 AM
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Why cant i do 3 flip not even the flip with harder trucks? Not even hard trucks, but the harder they are the more impossible it feels to not just get an 360 shuv. When i could do them before my big break i skated super loose Thunders. And now i want more stability but still loose, but when i tighten them past a point i cant make the flip. If i loosen them i can do the flip perfect and land with one foot for example, last summer i landed often on them. But was a bit frustrated cuz i wanted to go just a little tighter for my other tricks was much better with no to loose. And then i cant do the flip even trying to just to the flip and land one foot. I just becomes a 3 shuv. If i commit doing exactly as i done before its scary cuz in my mind i feel its gonna 3 flip but it just 3 shuvs. Anyone got any tips? Imagine stone hard board doing a 3 flip on that, that mayby help me found out the problem. I ride loose trucks so its so weird.
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8 inch board with tight trucks is going to be easier to 3flip on than a wide board with loose trucks if being cool is your priority try making shit loads of money instead of worrying about your treflip

Sorry MOE SYZLAK   ;D

Na man dont take it like that, being cool has nothing to do with it, its all about the trick. Mayby it was a little cool factor when i was at the top of my skating but more so a thing for loose trucks. Me and my friend kinda got addicted to riding looser and looser cuz it felt better in many ways, not only the 3 flips. But now im older and that loose truck obssesion is gone.

And also, it dosent matter if i got 8 board and 8 trucks same thing applies. Now got just 8.125, so its no big difference, you dont get the picture and you dont want to, so just dont reply then, if you just gonna show how big slapmagazine dick you have.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on April 13, 2020, 07:51:29 AM
Front blunts. Fairly consistent at popping on the rail but I either don't commit to the slide or I end up sliding off to fakie before I can slide.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 13, 2020, 09:16:19 AM
lmao at moe getting hit in the crossfire
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tom on April 14, 2020, 04:08:35 PM
I took your guys’ advice with the shoulders, but tried it with back 180 nosegrinds. I flailed some to get the feeling of 180-ing into a fakie nosegrind, but I started rolling away from them within a few tries of learning how to pinch the grind. It was a pretty easy trick to figure out. I did some with a switch fs 180 out too and was surprised that the trick kind of whips you around to make it easier. I can’t believe I was scared to commit to that one for so long for no real reason
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Vintagebody on April 16, 2020, 08:18:08 AM
I just plain suck at nose manuals, and it really annoys me. I spent 1 hour trying to nose manny a pad, and only landed 2 times of like... 20+ tries... Tips?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: behavioralguide on April 16, 2020, 12:26:31 PM
Lean forward (more)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
I just plain suck at nose manuals, and it really annoys me. I spent 1 hour trying to nose manny a pad, and only landed 2 times of like... 20+ tries... Tips?

Control the height of your pop, I like to think of it less like popping an ollie into a nose manual, rather lifting my nose up high enough so I can place it gently on the manual pad and balance it out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skatefresh on April 16, 2020, 09:42:03 PM
I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 09:44:10 PM
I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.

What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skatefresh on April 16, 2020, 09:50:14 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.

if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2020, 10:49:06 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.

I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 16, 2020, 11:30:21 PM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
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I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.

The rotation for backside flip should be solely from the shoulders turning and from flicking straight off the nose which 'folds' the rotation kinda. You can scoop if you want but the best backside flips are definitely popped not scooped. Wish I could fs flip lol.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skatefresh on April 17, 2020, 05:09:49 AM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
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I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.
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The rotation for backside flip should be solely from the shoulders turning and from flicking straight off the nose which 'folds' the rotation kinda. You can scoop if you want but the best backside flips are definitely popped not scooped. Wish I could fs flip lol.
Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 17, 2020, 05:22:20 AM
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I want to learn backside flips. Frontside flips work for me but I never understood how people do tweaked out backside flips. My body just doesn't understand that motion no matter how hard I try. Occasionally I can crop dust a slightly mobbed pivoted one.
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What do your attempts look like, like which part of the motion is weird to you?
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The concept of kickflipping and trying to nose dive the board into a backside 180 simultaneously. It just feels completely unnatural. I have trouble popping a proper kickflip while trying to whip it around. It usually just rolls over on the ground or I'll land a 120 degree rotation super low mobbed one.
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if you wanna just land shitty ones you can try the varial flip sex change type and see what happens, pretty much a varial flip and then turning your legs.

To do it proper, wind up the shoulders, and when you unwind, pop roughly when your shoulders are parallel to the board, and you wanna flick more straight off the middle of the nose as opposed to flicking off the side and try get that leg out far. If its rocket, then flick more off the nose and try have your centre of gravity more over the nose after popping. If your body isn't keeping up with the rotation, looking at your back foot the whole time helps a little bit.

Frontside flips make 0 sense to me, I can land slightly muska ones if I put in a gargantuan amount of effort but often snap my board when I try. I had one very specific setup a few years ago where they felt somewhat natural... cant remember the shape but would definitely recreate that setup if I knew what it was just for that trick lol.
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I'm the opposite, FS Flips make sense to me - throw in a kickflip in the middle of a FS 180. BS Flips just go all over the place, either rocket, no flip or no turn. But I think eyeballing the nose and flicking off there instead of the pocket off the side, is something worth exploring today.
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The rotation for backside flip should be solely from the shoulders turning and from flicking straight off the nose which 'folds' the rotation kinda. You can scoop if you want but the best backside flips are definitely popped not scooped. Wish I could fs flip lol.

My backside flips on anything but banks and whatnot come and go and it's fucking annoying. I've got the mention you describe down fairly well and have my moments where I'm actually semi-good at that trick on flat and down small stuff (it just starts working like a backside ollie then), I've even filmed a few in lines that I thought looked good, but then every once in a while I'll fall into a type of slump where I'll just miss either the folding motion or the catch once every other attempt and earn myself the same shinners always. Seems to be very dependent on the state of my deck, grip tape and back truck (especially worn out pivot cups), so stupid.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 17, 2020, 12:44:24 PM
lol I feel that, mine aren't super on lock either. The feeling of a good one is solidly planted in my mind but still can't reproduce every try
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on April 18, 2020, 03:37:32 AM
Seems like we're all on the same fs/bs flip train. I'm currently working on getting a proper clean bs one, I actually really like how it turns and catches. But sometimes, as Silouhette, my moves are totally off... As for fs flip, It kinda starts nice until the catch where I freeze around 145° with my board/feet too much in front of me and unable to bring it back.

Also working on my nollie cab, It's my go-to trick on pyramid/steep banks and spin it really easily, but never made it properly on flatground. Got some decent ones last week, and watching Bobby de Keiser placement doing it over a trashcan really helps. like using your whole back foot as in a regular nollie position instead of being on your toes like for a nollie fs 180
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tony mugu on April 18, 2020, 09:40:04 AM
I have currently nailed down kickflips to where I can land them backfoot catch whilst moving slowly however before quarantine I was working on some ledge tricks.


I have been stuck for ages on frontside nose slides. I will either have the board flip the fuck out as I try to go into it or if I do lock in it’s perfect but I do not slide, it’s a stall.

I also have the non moving issue with crooked grinds. I could lock into them but I don’t move? Maybe it’s a speed thing I’m not sure.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 18, 2020, 11:52:58 AM
What is the secret to sliding long noseslides? Baseplate against the ledge? Baseplate shouldn't get in contact with the ledge? All the weight on the nose?

I always feel like my nose isn't at Proper 90 degree to the ledge and my front toe side wheels stop me and send me flying.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 18, 2020, 02:38:30 PM
I have been stuck for ages on frontside nose slides. I will either have the board flip the fuck out as I try to go into it or if I do lock in it’s perfect but I do not slide, it’s a stall.

The board flipping the fuck out definitely isn't a common thing I've seen on front noses. Maybe something is wrong with the way you're approaching or ollieing into them? The way I learned them originally, I was just doing front noses with no slide coming from an angle and then gradually worked my way up, now it's one of my favorite tricks. Your front shoulder and hip are supposed to guide an otherwise straight ollie into the position, basically. Then as you lock in you're still mostly perpendicular to the ledge but mostly relying on your hips and back foot to stay in control (for front nose to regs; front nose fakies are completely different and in comparison I'm not a huge fan of doing those at all). It's actually very similar to a front board, just on one end of the board instead of the middle, as far as how it works. Think shifty but extending the motion and getting your nose onto something, then you'll slide for as much as you can keep the momentum by more or less sitting on that front foot till (or most likely, before) you feel like dismounting.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on April 18, 2020, 08:24:30 PM
Want to get my half-cabs higher. What's the trick?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ibuproficient on April 18, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
Deep catch on the back-end. Bend your knees, it will be there.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 19, 2020, 12:19:00 AM
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I have been stuck for ages on frontside nose slides. I will either have the board flip the fuck out as I try to go into it or if I do lock in it’s perfect but I do not slide, it’s a stall.
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The board flipping the fuck out definitely isn't a common thing I've seen on front noses. Maybe something is wrong with the way you're approaching or ollieing into them? The way I learned them originally, I was just doing front noses with no slide coming from an angle and then gradually worked my way up, now it's one of my favorite tricks. Your front shoulder and hip are supposed to guide an otherwise straight ollie into the position, basically. Then as you lock in you're still mostly perpendicular to the ledge but mostly relying on your hips and back foot to stay in control (for front nose to regs; front nose fakies are completely different and in comparison I'm not a huge fan of doing those at all). It's actually very similar to a front board, just on one end of the board instead of the middle, as far as how it works. Think shifty but extending the motion and getting your nose onto something, then you'll slide for as much as you can keep the momentum by more or less sitting on that front foot till (or most likely, before) you feel like dismounting.

Easy trick to steeze out as well, instant crowd pleaser. I can do them short distances but I have the problem of the board slipping out away from me - either I'm aiming my nose too far ahead (board slips away) or too locking in at too sharp an angle (no slide just stick). Coming off too I just kind of plop off instead of turning off.

Also they suck on low ledges, I love them on medium to medium high ledges when you can really stick you nose into it.

Finally work up the balls to BS Lipslide stall on a low curb, going in at a sharper angle and pointing my shoulders into the curb really helped with the rotation. Holding the position and exiting will be another matter. It feels like I'm locking my board too far ahead of me, like if were on a rail the board would slip right out under me. I've tried aim my board more underneath me instead of ahead, but I end up under-rotating. The dream is to do them like Heath Kirchart, ollie high and parallel to the rail and let the back foot do all the rotation.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Maccat on April 19, 2020, 03:12:58 AM
Fakie Pop Shoves. Used to be able to put em up high, trying to get back there.

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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 19, 2020, 07:11:17 AM
its raining today and im confined to the garage so im trying to get my nollie heels back in prep for learning nollie bs 360 heels which is just for cheesing people in games of skate 0 chance of me ever doing that trick down or over something
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 19, 2020, 09:14:41 AM
Yesterday I was skating a parking lot and there was a tall ledge with just the sliiiiightest angle that I kept trying to wallride. I landed on a few but kept getting wheelbite and not rolling away.


Want to get my half-cabs higher. What's the trick?


For me it helps to really focus on preemptively turning your shoulders so by time you get to about 90 degress in your pop your board is leveled nicely and you can suck it up with you. Sorta the same logic as when people do fakie ollies over something that they usually shifty it. Helps with leverage.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: layzieyez on April 19, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
Can you bone out your ollies? When I had half cabs good, I would pop and as I turned would slightly bone out the first 90 then bring it back in for the other 90.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: legion on April 19, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Can you bone out your ollies? When I had half cabs good, I would pop and as I turned would slightly bone out the first 90 then bring it back in for the other 90.
Yep. To me it feels like 2 motions but when you see someone do it, it looks more like 1 fluid motion..
You want your board to grip your feet well so you can push it the last 90*.
Lazy's slightly boned out I think of as leveled out, but same thing.. a lil boned out, not totally tweaked..
Once you're 90* and level I think it's just push backside with you back foot as you're pushing down, front foot helps guide it too. Idk... been a while and it's a trick I forget to even do..
If you can if you can pop the fuck outta it then you can really steer it around in the air. Check out Sheffey in Soldiers Story.
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Post by: danmasontree on April 20, 2020, 11:02:45 AM
Fakie Pop Shoves. Used to be able to put em up high, trying to get back there.

Was just talking about this trick with a friend. Underrated trick that looks cool if popped well.
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Post by: danmasontree on April 20, 2020, 11:03:55 AM
I can't 180 no comply anymore for some reason, been trying to learn them again
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Post by: ChuckRamone on April 20, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
backside tailslides, which I've been trying forever, and lately I've been trying backside 180 nosegrinds and frontside hurricanes. I did a shitty frontside hurricane backside revert out today but I wanna be able to do them to regular.
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Post by: tom on April 20, 2020, 06:47:29 PM
I still haven’t done a decent backtail since trying to re-learn them, but I’ve goofed around with learning or re-learning some other stuff. Switch front crooks and nollie tres were the two I tried today. I haven’t done a nollie tre since 2009 I think. I’m at the point of learning/doing tricks I should’ve learned ages ago because if I don’t do it now I may never do them
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Post by: CorneliusCardew on April 20, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Switch fs and bs flips I have landed them but I don't have real confidence
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 22, 2020, 07:26:18 AM
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Fakie Pop Shoves. Used to be able to put em up high, trying to get back there.
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Was just talking about this trick with a friend. Underrated trick that looks cool if popped well.

Surprised to hear that people like this trick. Fakie pop shove was one of the first tricks I learned and the very first that I ever did on a bank. I like to pop them from in the pocket (toe side), and I keep my front foot pretty close to the bolts and slightly angled outward. The pop is also more straight down than scooped.
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Post by: Hulby52 on April 22, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Post by: silhouette on April 22, 2020, 09:06:01 AM
360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.

Keep a straight back with your weight mostly sitting over your back leg pre-pop, and try to send the board flying in front of you (as if you'd want it to go vertically, almost) a bit more. If that interferes with the form of the trick and gives you a harder time getting the full 360, focus more on the scoop. Also, lock your shoulders into place, don't go crazy with your upper body mid trick.
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Post by: ihatejulio on April 22, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
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360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Keep a straight back with your weight mostly sitting over your back leg pre-pop, and try to send the board flying in front of you (as if you'd want it to go vertically, almost) a bit more. If that interferes with the form of the trick and gives you a harder time getting the full 360, focus more on the scoop. Also, lock your shoulders into place, don't go crazy with your upper body mid trick.

This is my biggest trouble with 360 flips. Keeping my shoulders in place has been a real struggle and tricking my brain into not opening them up hinders my other mechanics during the trick. Just trying them for years has given me such bad form on them. IMO it's way harder to unlearn years of doing a trick the wrong way than to learn one during your inital attempts. 
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Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 04:45:08 PM
Shuvs atm. Was doing really well last week, took a day or two off to heal my body after rolling my ankle. Fucking. Lost. Them. I did a couple rolling and was so stoked but today I was just trying to make up all that progress I lost. I can't land anything today, every trick felt like a strugle.
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Post by: silhouette on April 22, 2020, 05:20:46 PM
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360 flips. I can get the rotation and flip, but I struggle with keeping my body over the board. I lean too far forward and am not bringing my front foot back to the board. Any tips would be appreciated.
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Keep a straight back with your weight mostly sitting over your back leg pre-pop, and try to send the board flying in front of you (as if you'd want it to go vertically, almost) a bit more. If that interferes with the form of the trick and gives you a harder time getting the full 360, focus more on the scoop. Also, lock your shoulders into place, don't go crazy with your upper body mid trick.
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This is my biggest trouble with 360 flips. Keeping my shoulders in place has been a real struggle and tricking my brain into not opening them up hinders my other mechanics during the trick. Just trying them for years has given me such bad form on them. IMO it's way harder to unlearn years of doing a trick the wrong way than to learn one during your inital attempts.

Usually that's when people have a difficult time getting the full 360 (or they overthink it, which has to be the most common reason, to be honest), usually people with shorter legs, so they have the reflex to try and turn their body to catch the board early to compensate (which obviously doesn't work). That's why I was saying to focus more on the scoop and overall back foot action to make up for that (which is actually just doing the trick right). Had that problem for the longest time myself as soon as I started skating looser trucks, you have to find that sweet spot and let just the sweep of that back leg do all the work.

You're not wrong with your last bit but my philosophy is there is no absolute wrong or right way to do a trick, I actually really like quirky ways of doing tricks (when you can tell it's how the person naturally grew up doing the trick; forced quirks suck). Skateboarding is basic physics and forces, there's always some kind of workaround to such specific issues and in the end, the sum of all those workarounds you find pretty much become a major part of one's style.
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Post by: walker on May 01, 2020, 01:15:23 AM
kickflips. my front foot never wants to come back on the board after flicking :(
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Post by: adriankohatsu on May 03, 2020, 07:32:07 AM
regular varial heelflips (i find them easier on switch) i can't get the full rotation when i commit to the landing. Any suggestion?
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Post by: gaunting on May 03, 2020, 11:01:12 AM
Half cab heel. I got the rotation but I can't catch em right.

think of it as late. after you spin your shoulders around wait till the last minute to heelflip.
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Post by: gaunting on May 03, 2020, 11:03:21 AM
Front 5-0 to crook. Any advice would be appreciated


I’m trying to get those too!
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Post by: dallou on May 03, 2020, 01:43:35 PM
noseslide ... (never really skated ledge, that was a dumb decision)
Switch pop shovit
wallride
Switch 50/50
Varial Heel and Fakie Varial Heel
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Post by: Mog on May 03, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
anticasper bigflip to switch casper slide
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Post by: Jewlien Burford on May 04, 2020, 07:09:50 AM
Half cab flip
Impossible
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Post by: MorningSesh on May 04, 2020, 07:27:49 AM
Half cab flip
Impossible
Recently learned half cab flips. They’re fun to learn
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Post by: Paperclip20 on May 04, 2020, 08:08:11 AM
Half cab flip
Impossible

Wrapping a proper impossible is so fun, my favorite trick
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on May 04, 2020, 10:15:26 AM
Not exactly something I'm trying to learn but something that came to mind while messing around with wallies/slappies into boardslides on ledges (I know, but it's dumb fun), it doesn't seem to hard from that 'launch' to overshoot and end up in hurricane position (or barley grind but hurricane is sicker), now I think it could be cool to see wallie hurricanes on tall-ish shit. I reckon it should work like a slappy frontside feeble coming from the wrong angle. I literally gave it two tries where I was too scared to commit to actually putting weight on the truck before moving on as I'm not trying to fuck myself up mid-lockdown but it's something to do.
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Post by: mybackhurts on May 11, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
sw back 180 manny

also impossibles(trick is such an enigma)
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 06:44:18 AM
What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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Post by: Pnw on May 12, 2020, 07:09:02 AM
What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 07:34:30 AM
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What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
Does copping make dropping in a little easier?
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Post by: Pnw on May 12, 2020, 08:41:09 AM
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What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
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Does copping make dropping in a little easier?
I've never really thought about it but I guess the copping would give you more stability on your tail so you can focus more on placing all your weight forward instead of slipping out.
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Post by: Made In China on May 12, 2020, 11:10:14 AM
Can't really tailslide but I've gotten a few nollie back tails on curbs lately. They're surprisingly easy to get into, but hard to actually get a good slide.
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Post by: Pnw on May 12, 2020, 11:17:32 AM
I’m having trouble with tre flips. When I land one my front foot is on my nose and my back foot is either in the middle of the board or barely behind the front bolts which puts all my weight forward so I don’t ride away.

Is it because I fling them more sideways instead of in front of me or my foot position which is more forward facing instead of 45 degrees?
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
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What's the first trick to learn on a mini? I learned to pump and carve, can drop in on small ramps so still working on that.
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I started with rock to fakie then fakie tail stall and finally backside 50-50. Once you become comfortable on a mini the tricks start coming quickly.
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Does copping make dropping in a little easier?
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I've never really thought about it but I guess the copping would give you more stability on your tail so you can focus more on placing all your weight forward instead of slipping out.
Ok so there's this ramp I dropped in on that didn't have coping and I didn't feel right, also slipped out twice on the thing. Makes me worry about dropping in on the mini that does have coping.
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Post by: CorneliusCardew on May 12, 2020, 07:18:38 PM
How to stop squirreling out when I am pushing switch
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 19, 2020, 03:15:41 PM
Rock to Fakie. Geting my truck over the lip is a little scary to me. I practiced pumping up and raising my nose up to get a feel. Also practiced leaning back more. But still scared to actually do it. Any Advice?
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Post by: fs1/2cab on May 19, 2020, 03:24:07 PM
Rock to Fakie. Geting my truck over the lip is a little scary to me. I practiced pumping up and raising my nose up to get a feel. Also practiced leaning back more. But still scared to actually do it. Any Advice?

Can you do rock to fakies on steep banks? Gives you a good feeling for that little fakie wheelie motion. Roll up a bank, get your front truck on top of the bank and roll back to fakie. Then do the same with lifting up your front truck. Hope that makes sense, since English is not my native language.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 19, 2020, 04:30:49 PM
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Rock to Fakie. Geting my truck over the lip is a little scary to me. I practiced pumping up and raising my nose up to get a feel. Also practiced leaning back more. But still scared to actually do it. Any Advice?
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Can you do rock to fakies on steep banks? Gives you a good feeling for that little fakie wheelie motion. Roll up a bank, get your front truck on top of the bank and roll back to fakie. Then do the same with lifting up your front truck. Hope that makes sense, since English is not my native language.
I practiced on a fun box with a bank. That was a little sketchy feeling but I will try it on there tomorrow.
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Post by: UrbanSombrero on May 19, 2020, 06:05:30 PM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.
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Post by: CorneliusCardew on May 19, 2020, 08:23:56 PM
How not to get bored skating the same spot everyday.
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Post by: Paperclip20 on May 20, 2020, 04:09:58 AM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.

I'm in a similar spot but I can do 90 degree pivots pretty often. I noticed putting my front slightly lower and flicking sideways helped more of them go the full way.
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Post by: Bata on May 20, 2020, 04:27:16 AM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.

I struggled a lot with this trick and what helped me is learning hardflips first and getting really consistent with kickflips.
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Post by: UrbanSombrero on May 20, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
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Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.
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I struggled a lot with this trick and what helped me is learning hardflips first and getting really consistent with kickflips.

Thanks I may give that a try see how close I get. I've never landed a hardflip in my life but that would be a bucket list trick for sure.

Is your foot positioning for your hard flip the same as your fs flip? Does the hard flip get you used to the pop/scoop of a fs flip?
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Post by: CorneliusCardew on May 20, 2020, 07:33:18 PM
Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.

When I have trouble with my fsf I remind myself to jump a bit higher and remember that the trick is a means of moving forward, focus on the forward motion seems to help me alot
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Post by: Krile on May 21, 2020, 04:27:40 AM
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Trying to figure out frontside flips. I can't put the whole trick together, either I get the whole 180 and land on my board upside down or I get the full flip and only get like 120 degree rotation. I've landed a bunch of shitty ones with a big pivot but I want the full 180.
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I struggled a lot with this trick and what helped me is learning hardflips first and getting really consistent with kickflips.
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Thanks I may give that a try see how close I get. I've never landed a hardflip in my life but that would be a bucket list trick for sure.

Is your foot positioning for your hard flip the same as your fs flip? Does the hard flip get you used to the pop/scoop of a fs flip?

Yeah my problem was kicking the board away when I turn 180 so learning hardflip helped it be more one fluid motion than kickflip catch 90 piviot
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Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 22, 2020, 02:51:26 PM
Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on May 22, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t5T1Wsu.mp4) (https://imgur.com/t5T1Wsu)

I'll put my inferior f/s no-comply out there. If anyone has any tips about what I can do to make my f/s no-complies more fluid and quick, I'd be happy to hear them.

I think a large part of why I do them fairly slowly is that I don't have a lot of control with my back foot - the board goes flying out, or flips a little, or stabs my leg. So, I move slowly for a little more control. Maybe I just need more practice.

I've been trying to remember "plant, pop, move" to plant my foot, pop my board, and move my foot off the ground and back on. Also trying to tell myself to move my foot off the ground as soon as the board starts to go back down.

Also any tips for no-comply 360s are much appreciated.
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Post by: tzhangdox on May 22, 2020, 07:53:50 PM
Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.

I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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Post by: blurst_of_times on May 22, 2020, 09:24:24 PM
Heelflips
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Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 22, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.

I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did they’re pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesn’t rain here.
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Post by: silhouette on May 23, 2020, 01:25:13 AM
I'll put my inferior f/s no-comply out there. If anyone has any tips about what I can do to make my f/s no-complies more fluid and quick, I'd be happy to hear them.

I think a large part of why I do them fairly slowly is that I don't have a lot of control with my back foot - the board goes flying out, or flips a little, or stabs my leg. So, I move slowly for a little more control. Maybe I just need more practice.

I've been trying to remember "plant, pop, move" to plant my foot, pop my board, and move my foot off the ground and back on. Also trying to tell myself to move my foot off the ground as soon as the board starts to go back down.

Also any tips for no-comply 360s are much appreciated.

Can't see your .gif here as it appears to be expired, but there's a sweet spot to find as far as the back foot positioning is concerned for 43's, I have my foot covering the whole width of the tail (kind of like I would for an impossible) and then I don't really think in terms of frontside 180 but mostly just extend my popping leg forward in front of me all the while jumping with it to accompany the motion, at least that's my way of getting a good smack of the tail against the ground and then you essentially just use the rebound as the board remains attached to your back foot (remember you'll need to bring that one back up for height too). Again similarly to impossibles, the more tension you build up over the surface of the board using your weight on both feet pre-pop, and then the higher you can suck your legs up on the jump, the higher you'll get.

For 360's (frontside I assume?), you have to wind up and trust the 360 which can be scary at first but becomes more natural as you develop confidence on the trick, but if you get the technique I was describing for the 180's down then 360's become just a matter of adding force/momentum and thus just as automatic.
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Post by: tzhangdox on May 23, 2020, 02:27:35 AM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did they’re pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesn’t rain here.

Yeah the sw bs ones are great. Same here, tried jamming a few every time I skated and one day they just worked. Need to get better at popping out though. Let me know if you figure anything out the on the slappy fs crooks.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on May 23, 2020, 07:53:18 AM
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I'll put my inferior f/s no-comply out there. If anyone has any tips about what I can do to make my f/s no-complies more fluid and quick, I'd be happy to hear them.

I think a large part of why I do them fairly slowly is that I don't have a lot of control with my back foot - the board goes flying out, or flips a little, or stabs my leg. So, I move slowly for a little more control. Maybe I just need more practice.

I've been trying to remember "plant, pop, move" to plant my foot, pop my board, and move my foot off the ground and back on. Also trying to tell myself to move my foot off the ground as soon as the board starts to go back down.

Also any tips for no-comply 360s are much appreciated.
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Can't see your .gif here as it appears to be expired, but there's a sweet spot to find as far as the back foot positioning is concerned for 43's, I have my foot covering the whole width of the tail (kind of like I would for an impossible) and then I don't really think in terms of frontside 180 but mostly just extend my popping leg forward in front of me all the while jumping with it to accompany the motion, at least that's my way of getting a good smack of the tail against the ground and then you essentially just use the rebound as the board remains attached to your back foot (remember you'll need to bring that one back up for height too). Again similarly to impossibles, the more tension you build up over the surface of the board using your weight on both feet pre-pop, and then the higher you can suck your legs up on the jump, the higher you'll get.

For 360's (frontside I assume?), you have to wind up and trust the 360 which can be scary at first but becomes more natural as you develop confidence on the trick, but if you get the technique I was describing for the 180's down then 360's become just a matter of adding force/momentum and thus just as automatic.

Merci beaucoup pour l'information, mon ami. Vous étés le meilleur professeur. I'll try your tips out. I also re-uploaded my awful no-comply if you're still interested. I know it's too big but I couldn't find a suitable video resizer apparently.
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 24, 2020, 05:14:23 AM
Want to bs roll into a 6ft or bigger.  I can do the 5 fts.  Other then that I'm trying to learn airs on my bmx.
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Post by: silhouette on May 24, 2020, 06:17:06 AM
Merci beaucoup pour l'information, mon ami. Vous étés le meilleur professeur. I'll try your tips out. I also re-uploaded my awful no-comply if you're still interested. I know it's too big but I couldn't find a suitable video resizer apparently.

Haha, oh yeah I see it now. Honestly I've seen many different ways people try starting out on that trick but I've never seen this one, it's like a combination of the little typical hop before the trick (except you kind of wheelie into it) and then you hop around and plant your foot twice, none of which should happen so I'm getting the idea that you're overthinking the trick and making it a lot harder than it really is. The idea is to slide your leading foot off the board to release the tension built by the pressure of your back foot on the tail (the nose should instantly spring up, maybe try it stationary to better figure out the timing) and then you just use the momentum of that one jump. Maybe try facing the direction you're going with your shoulders a bit more so that they're open and you're already prepared to land fakie, that way you only really need to extend your back leg after planting your front foot so that it guides the board around as you're (ideally already) in the process of jumping back onto the board. Maybe you could learn those foot down 180 powerslides some people do and then just do the exact same thing just popping the tail.
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Post by: YungJugg on May 25, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Lately I’ve been having FS flips either completely on lock or days where I can’t land one, and when I don’t land them my nose gets shoved into the ground chipping the shit out of it.

I want to blame it on my wheelbase being a tad long but I know it’s just myself skating shitty.
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Post by: ihatejulio on May 25, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
Anyone have any tips for fakie manuals? I want that one in my bag so badly. 
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Post by: rocklobster on May 25, 2020, 07:35:20 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAal3TElcvZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Tre flip help for those in need. Damn I wish I could be out skating.
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 29, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
   Rite now Im trying to learn bs roll ins in deeper bowls.  I've done them into 4 footers and shit.  A 6 footer would be good enough for me.  Hard to believe Phelps still did them into vert in his latter years.   Fuck I used to have way better tres then that^ and now I can't do em.
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Post by: Sila on May 29, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
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Tre flip help for those in need. Damn I wish I could be out skating.

The other day I was watching an older video of his and was thinking how unnatural and forced his tre flips were. It's looking a lot nicer now. I have the same foot placement issue so i'll fling a few with my foot further back next session.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on May 31, 2020, 12:25:24 AM
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Tre flip help for those in need. Damn I wish I could be out skating.
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The other day I was watching an older video of his and was thinking how unnatural and forced his tre flips were. It's looking a lot nicer now. I have the same foot placement issue so i'll fling a few with my foot further back next session.

The new foot placement still fucks with me, I've been trying them for years with my foot in the pocket and never could do them. A few months back my friend told me to hang my foot more on the tail and scoop in a "J" shape, really focus on smacking the tail into the ground to help the rotation. Vastly different technique versus what we learned in the past - foot in the pocket of the board.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 31, 2020, 09:14:46 AM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did they’re pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesn’t rain here.
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Yeah the sw bs ones are great. Same here, tried jamming a few every time I skated and one day they just worked. Need to get better at popping out though. Let me know if you figure anything out the on the slappy fs crooks.

Landed a few shitty Fs ones the other day. Best I can tell just act like your gonna do a Fs slappy and once your truck hits just lock into crook and hold on.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 31, 2020, 01:18:32 PM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.
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I also recently learned slappy swbs crooks. My new fave trick. Took a minute to figure out but once I did they’re pretty easy. Hopefully gonna workshop FS tomorrow of it doesn’t rain here.
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Yeah the sw bs ones are great. Same here, tried jamming a few every time I skated and one day they just worked. Need to get better at popping out though. Let me know if you figure anything out the on the slappy fs crooks.
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Landed a few shitty Fs ones the other day. Best I can tell just act like your gonna do a Fs slappy and once your truck hits just lock into crook and hold on.

The best advice I've ever heard with this trick is to just treat it like a nose slide with a little bit of wheel pinched in there. I do a lot of FS slappy nose slides so that really helped it click. Also keeping your foot closer to the pocket of your nose kind of helps.

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Merci beaucoup pour l'information, mon ami. Vous étés le meilleur professeur. I'll try your tips out. I also re-uploaded my awful no-comply if you're still interested. I know it's too big but I couldn't find a suitable video resizer apparently.
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Haha, oh yeah I see it now. Honestly I've seen many different ways people try starting out on that trick but I've never seen this one, it's like a combination of the little typical hop before the trick (except you kind of wheelie into it) and then you hop around and plant your foot twice, none of which should happen so I'm getting the idea that you're overthinking the trick and making it a lot harder than it really is. The idea is to slide your leading foot off the board to release the tension built by the pressure of your back foot on the tail (the nose should instantly spring up, maybe try it stationary to better figure out the timing) and then you just use the momentum of that one jump. Maybe try facing the direction you're going with your shoulders a bit more so that they're open and you're already prepared to land fakie, that way you only really need to extend your back leg after planting your front foot so that it guides the board around as you're (ideally already) in the process of jumping back onto the board. Maybe you could learn those foot down 180 powerslides some people do and then just do the exact same thing just popping the tail.

Just want to agree that having your shoulders open helps a lot. I'm usually already turning before I pop them. I'll also add that I like to have my back foot angled inwards a bit when I pop them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on May 31, 2020, 07:09:04 PM
5050 flat bar. I fluked one today just barely kissed the rail and rolled off the end.

i can 5050 ledges all day, up to a lil bit over knee high

when i lock in right i grind for a couple inches panic and flail out or jump off. When i get on wrong i just slip out onto my ass

Funny enough i find doing a bunch of flatground ollies and then standing on the board locked in on the rail helps me get in better

I've never bs boardslid one either. They're scary to me i've never even tried to bs boardslide a ledge lol
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Post by: lazer69 on June 01, 2020, 02:20:54 AM
Also was working on fs 5050 on flatbar. Round flatbars have always been challenging for me. I had some PTSD, but recently have been jumping on. Today I was getting on good and grinding just have been too toeside heavy and not able to get out right.

2 other tricks I was working on.: FS 5-0 to swtich crooks. Mustve gave that one 60 tries between 2 sessions. I landed on 6-9, but I think what I landed was a crooked tailslide. Getting into the switch crooks has been very challenging.

The other trick I started trying was a FS 5050 BS 180 out. Really struggling. I was able to land a few, but only when popping off the nose.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: danmasontree on June 03, 2020, 03:37:19 PM

The other trick I started trying was a FS 5050 BS 180 out. Really struggling. I was able to land a few, but only when popping off the nose.



What works for me is when you 50-50 you kinda gotta dip your front shoulder or land with your body weight way over on top of the box(whatever way of thinking works for you) as you land on the 50-50 it makes the 180 way easier. Also, go fast.
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Post by: lazer69 on June 03, 2020, 11:06:42 PM
U usually as soon as I try to bs 180, the bored just ends up pressure flipping. I'll try your tip though,
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Post by: ZachV on June 06, 2020, 10:08:21 PM
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Anyone got slappy front crooks? I wanna learn them regs and switch. Messed around a few times today couldnt make it happen.
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I've tried them before. I think the start of it is kinda like a normal frontside slappy but you gotta only do the start of the slappy motion and as soon as your truck gets on you gotta stop rotating and put all the pressure on your front toe to pinch. Dont really know how to come out though. Would like to try em switch too. Just learned sw bs slappy crook and theyre suuuuper fun and chill.

Im gonna try Slappy Fs Crooks after reading this, I have them backside but the way you described doing them frontside made so much sense. Super stoked to go try it out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Allen. on June 07, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
Quim cardona’s wallride nollie 180 on a bank to wall.
Go up straight like you’re doing a wallride to fakie but nollie fs 180 out of it so you go back down regular
Whatever the fuck
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ziad on June 07, 2020, 09:33:38 PM
how to play sound on sound by big boys on bass
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: 1121317 on June 08, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
bs tails. i've been trying to learn them for 2 years now and i can't seem to get them because i cant commit on going fast enough and for some reason i want my first bs tail to be regular out even though you're supposed to land them fakie first.
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Post by: (fake) nollie. on June 08, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.
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Post by: FleeceFlannel on June 08, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
Spent an hour trying to do a slob plant back to fakie.  Filmed a couple to see how it looked and immediately stopped trying.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ZachV on June 08, 2020, 06:02:42 PM
Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.

Practice the kickflip in different parts, first get the flick, then do the flick but only put ur front foot on, then do the flick but only put ur back foot on. then full commit to it. Kickflips are very frustrating, I learned them a little under a year of skating but have lost them recently. Once they click though they get pretty consistent. Just be patient and keep at it.

Hopefully I dont get kooked for this but watching Youtube tutorials can help, Braille have some of the best flat ground tutorials (despite them being super cringe.) I would also recommend watching Ben Degros and VL Skate tutorials.
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Post by: (fake) nollie. on June 08, 2020, 07:38:50 PM
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Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.
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Practice the kickflip in different parts, first get the flick, then do the flick but only put ur front foot on, then do the flick but only put ur back foot on. then full commit to it. Kickflips are very frustrating, I learned them a little under a year of skating but have lost them recently. Once they click though they get pretty consistent. Just be patient and keep at it.

Hopefully I dont get kooked for this but watching Youtube tutorials can help, Braille have some of the best flat ground tutorials (despite them being super cringe.) I would also recommend watching Ben Degros and VL Skate tutorials.
Thanks dude!
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Post by: ZachV on June 08, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
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Hey guys I've been trying to kickflip for about 5 years now, it's infuriating. All of my friends can flip their boards and what do I have? Ollie, fakie shuvs, and Bertlemanns. I usually meditate for a bit then drink a bit of kombucha but so far it hasn't helped much.
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Practice the kickflip in different parts, first get the flick, then do the flick but only put ur front foot on, then do the flick but only put ur back foot on. then full commit to it. Kickflips are very frustrating, I learned them a little under a year of skating but have lost them recently. Once they click though they get pretty consistent. Just be patient and keep at it.

Hopefully I dont get kooked for this but watching Youtube tutorials can help, Braille have some of the best flat ground tutorials (despite them being super cringe.) I would also recommend watching Ben Degros and VL Skate tutorials.
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Thanks dude!

Your welcome bro, Im always glad to share info from my little pool of knowledge.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2020, 09:24:01 PM
I’m having trouble with tre flips. When I land one my front foot is on my nose and my back foot is either in the middle of the board or barely behind the front bolts which puts all my weight forward so I don’t ride away.

Is it because I fling them more sideways instead of in front of me or my foot position which is more forward facing instead of 45 degrees?

I've never had them (I have impossibles, I put my focus there back in the day because I couldn't for the life of me figure out tres, even to this day).

I've landed 3.

My issue is I can land my back foot, just not my front. I can't determine if I'm the type to:

Do them under me?
Do them away from me where I have to jump 'over to them' <--I feel like I am this type
Back foot in the pocket?
Back foot in ollie position?

And the worst part, all of the above have me putting my front fooot all over the fucking place.

I've actually sized down, lowered my setup to aid in getting them. Whatever helps!
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Post by: silhouette on June 08, 2020, 10:04:55 PM
I've never had them (I have impossibles, I put my focus there back in the day because I couldn't for the life of me figure out tres, even to this day).

You know how when you scoop an impossible you kind of use the toes on your back foot to dig inside the pocket of the tail and get the wrap (even on really vertical ones, it just happens subtly)? Try doing the same thing but instead of instantly taking your front foot off and bringing your knee up, have its toes retain contact with the griptape side. You'll notice the board will tend to stick to them and from then on it's super easy to get a good flip by just kicking out at the right time (that's actually how one does 360 double flips). Different technique from the classic, popped 360 flip (that I personally prefer) but if you're familiar with impossibles already, maybe that one will be easier for you to stay over. If it still doesn't work then try insisting on the toe pressure action even more or moving said toe closer to the edge of the concave (if not hanging off).

Or if you want to insist with your current technique then the basic principle when it comes to catching the board is that the whole trick should be happening under you, not behind you nor in front of you, which you can adjust by having your upper body more or less straight and also the direction of the scoop. For the popped technique I think about scooping to the side with my big toe but also about hitting that tail to use the rebound and send the trick more vertically if that makes sense. Either way your front toe is essentially the axis of the rotation of the board which is why it's easy to catch those with the front foot, say, on hips where the trick starts working like a modified ollie really. I hope you get them, they're worth it!
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Post by: pdknox on June 09, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
fs flips - cant turn fs 180 and kick flip at the same time.  bs flips and bs heelflips always felt intuitive.  im playing with the foot placement, having the flick foot well on the board and the pop foot on the tip of the tail.  i can fake fs flip, even though those are more muska ish

bs tails - not going fast enough

powerslides - my foot lifts up whenever i try and speed check

ha.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Xen on June 09, 2020, 08:52:03 AM
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I've never had them (I have impossibles, I put my focus there back in the day because I couldn't for the life of me figure out tres, even to this day).
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You know how when you scoop an impossible you kind of use the toes on your back foot to dig inside the pocket of the tail and get the wrap (even on really vertical ones, it just happens subtly)? Try doing the same thing but instead of instantly taking your front foot off and bringing your knee up, have its toes retain contact with the griptape side. You'll notice the board will tend to stick to them and from then on it's super easy to get a good flip by just kicking out at the right time (that's actually how one does 360 double flips). Different technique from the classic, popped 360 flip (that I personally prefer) but if you're familiar with impossibles already, maybe that one will be easier for you to stay over. If it still doesn't work then try insisting on the toe pressure action even more or moving said toe closer to the edge of the concave (if not hanging off).

Or if you want to insist with your current technique then the basic principle when it comes to catching the board is that the whole trick should be happening under you, not behind you nor in front of you, which you can adjust by having your upper body more or less straight and also the direction of the scoop. For the popped technique I think about scooping to the side with my big toe but also about hitting that tail to use the rebound and send the trick more vertically if that makes sense. Either way your front toe is essentially the axis of the rotation of the board which is why it's easy to catch those with the front foot, say, on hips where the trick starts working like a modified ollie really. I hope you get them, they're worth it!

Thanks for the tips, silhouette. I'll give them ago and report back!  At this point I will take whichever method happens easiest and go on to refine it from there ;)
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Post by: 411_bandit on June 09, 2020, 05:23:01 PM
Fakie shuvs
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Post by: Skateandbones on June 22, 2020, 07:35:32 PM
Truthfully, how to ollie while moving. I took up skating last week. Well, I skated years go but I took it up again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 22, 2020, 09:28:45 PM
Anyone have tips on improving ollie fundamentals? After doing this for years I still have really horrible ollies that rocket and I can't bone them out. I tell myself I want to work on my ollies during the session, give it a couple of goes before I try working on my flip tricks. Are my fundamentals (squatting too much, foot too far back, back foot placement, shoulder position) screwed?

(2 not-great sessions in a row got me stressing)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 23, 2020, 03:48:08 AM
Anyone have tips on improving ollie fundamentals? After doing this for years I still have really horrible ollies that rocket and I can't bone them out. I tell myself I want to work on my ollies during the session, give it a couple of goes before I try working on my flip tricks. Are my fundamentals (squatting too much, foot too far back, back foot placement, shoulder position) screwed?

(2 not-great sessions in a row got me stressing)

I've always sucked at nicely formed ollies - even when I had fresher legs as a kid I could level them out over tall-ish stuff but couldn't ever get the tweaked form a lot of people do (only switch has always worked), and to this day even when I 'bone' them my back foot will often remain flat on the board. Then at some point I learned proper nosebonks and k bonks and it helped me get the timing down better - I swear if you can learn how to trick your brain into thinking you're doing an imaginary nosebonk over and past the obstacle, it sort of results in muscle memory automatically pulling all the right strings to suck that back foot up as you'll want to push down on that front foot and nudge that nose in front of you anyway.

Regardless of the stance, I feel like I pop off the center of the tail with my big toe for an optimal snap and I definitely have my back foot further back if I'm going to try and ollie over something high than if I'm just doing a casual ollie. I'd say somewhere around the center of the board (never past it) so that my weight is balanced and distributed somewhere over the back bolts. Gives you a quicker snap and more surface for the front foot to work with so that you actually have something to push in front of you when you extend your leg. I'd say just watch a lot of Quim, Rupp, Huf and classic street skaters known for good form and technique on ollies and try to emulate that, mentally if anything.

Personal shoulder position is partially open towards where I'm going for regs and partially closed (facing the nose which is at the back) for switch, but still parallel-ish I'd say.
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Post by: rocklobster on June 23, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
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Anyone have tips on improving ollie fundamentals? After doing this for years I still have really horrible ollies that rocket and I can't bone them out. I tell myself I want to work on my ollies during the session, give it a couple of goes before I try working on my flip tricks. Are my fundamentals (squatting too much, foot too far back, back foot placement, shoulder position) screwed?

(2 not-great sessions in a row got me stressing)
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I've always sucked at nicely formed ollies - even when I had fresher legs as a kid I could level them out over tall-ish stuff but couldn't ever get the tweaked form a lot of people do (only switch has always worked), and to this day even when I 'bone' them my back foot will often remain flat on the board. Then at some point I learned proper nosebonks and k bonks and it helped me get the timing down better - I swear if you can learn how to trick your brain into thinking you're doing an imaginary nosebonk over and past the obstacle, it sort of results in muscle memory automatically pulling all the right strings to suck that back foot up as you'll want to push down on that front foot and nudge that nose in front of you anyway.

Regardless of the stance, I feel like I pop off the center of the tail with my big toe for an optimal snap and I definitely have my back foot further back if I'm going to try and ollie over something high than if I'm just doing a casual ollie. I'd say somewhere around the center of the board (never past it) so that my weight is balanced and distributed somewhere over the back bolts. Gives you a quicker snap and more surface for the front foot to work with so that you actually have something to push in front of you when you extend your leg. I'd say just watch a lot of Quim, Rupp, Huf and classic street skaters known for good form and technique on ollies and try to emulate that, mentally if anything.

Personal shoulder position is partially open towards where I'm going for regs and partially closed (facing the nose which is at the back) for switch, but still parallel-ish I'd say.

Thanks for the knowledge drop as usual silhouette, I'm going to try and find stuff with enough height and length to ollie over during my lockdown sessions.

Another one I've been struggling (more with) are nollie FS 180s, I can't get the timing to do the hefy but I can do them enough to do shitty nollie boardslides and nollie 50-50s. I always end up 90 degrees and sliding my wheels the rest of the way.
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 23, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
try experimenting with foot positioning (where you pop off of but also far down/up the board your back foot is). Also your weight distribution before and after you pop. I find it helps to kinda have more weight over my front foot before popping the nollie but then have to even out. Hard to explain but just try some different combinations of foot positioning and weight distribution.

If you can do a shitty nollie 5050 then your nollie is probably sufficient. Obviously also make sure you turn your shoulders around properly. Its one of those tricks where usually by the time I bend down I kinda have an idea if I'm gonna do a floaty one or a shite one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 23, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
Thanks for the knowledge drop as usual silhouette, I'm going to try and find stuff with enough height and length to ollie over during my lockdown sessions.

Another one I've been struggling (more with) are nollie FS 180s, I can't get the timing to do the hefy but I can do them enough to do shitty nollie boardslides and nollie 50-50s. I always end up 90 degrees and sliding my wheels the rest of the way.

Yo my pleasure, it's pretty funny that by coincidence you're always trying to learn tricks that also happen to be my favorites (or maybe I just have too many favorite tricks). Frontside nollies are actually another one, I find that those work better if you think of them as a switch ollie going the wrong way with a translation (just like it's better to think of halfcabs as solid, ample ollies just popped fakie into a turn back to regs), most people commit the mistake of thinking of them as pivoting off the nose with pop somewhere somehow and thus don't keep their shoulders in check so they can't really get high ones and are likely to overturn their body in relation to the board.

I think for that trick it's key to have both feet well inside the board if that makes sense, for me at least back foot feels deep inside the concave and the front foot isn't on the tip of the nose but more like in the dead center (as you want to pop downwards for a good nollie and need to give it that nudge forwards to get the front wheels up, and then you turn your hips as you feel the trick leveling out). I feel like the shoulders don't do much on that trick, you're better off just facing the direction you're going to have a head start (whereas on a straight nollie you'd keep them parallel to the board) and then just using your lower body and it should all follow through. The motion itself is pretty simple and then once you get it down you can concentrate on pop.

Also from what I've observed, a lot of people will have great frontside nollies or nollie shifties but will suck at backside ones and vice versa, I reckon because the technique to get proper height on them is very different. So for some reason I suspect that you might be more comfortable with nollie backside 180's? (Really random question, I'm just curious)

Finally for your ollies, you don't even need something big to clear as it's all about figuring out the timing of the technique I described and then once you have you can easily apply to most everything (that's reasonable). Pretty sure what helped me was actually trying to nosebonk low-to-average height flatbars and keeping missing the bonk because it taught me to kind of 'wrap' my board around the obstacle as it clears it and then I find it just starts working on taller stuff as well. Jimmy Lannon is another good one to study when it comes to posture on that trick.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on June 23, 2020, 12:34:23 PM
Spent the whole month focusing on back tailslides on curbs. Another trick I learned 15 years ago but haven't resuscitated the muscle memory for.

I haven't even slid one properly yet. I can ollie into them, but 95% of the time I don't get my entire tail on, or too much of my weight is on my heel, so I always stick. I'm trying to lean more toward my toes, take a wider stance, and turn more, but it hasn't worked out so far. 
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Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on June 23, 2020, 08:58:01 PM
All the fundamentals in every stance, I have been doing this for awahile and its starting to pay off. Only ones I cant really do is nollie back 180, switch back 180 and nollie bs pop shuv and switch pop shuv. I can do the nollie bs shuv and the switch pop shuv where its popped good and caught but its only once out of maybe every 10 tries. Recently ive been going out and just working on one trick all day and like I said its really starting to pay off. I have solid nollies, fakie ollies and yesterday I was doing pretty solid switch ollies but I got too hot and had to quit after about 45 mins to an hour, but yeah the ones that really illude me are the switch back 180s and nollie back 180s but I'm determined to figure them out
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Post by: Weezil on June 23, 2020, 10:06:55 PM
working on switch slappies, I had them pretty good a year ago but where I'm at now the curbs are steeper so they're awkward as fuck. switch slappy crook is fun when it works.

also want to get frontside flips and 360 flips down. shoulder is healing up so I want to start trying fs flips again. 360 flips is just gonna take a day at the flat ground spot with a bunch of water, been dreading it but I want them consistent.

finally mentally unlocked heelflips to where I think I can do them now, it's weird how with alot of tricks you just kind of unlock it, and it can go away just as easy. impossibles are like that for me, they come and go.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 23, 2020, 10:47:21 PM
try experimenting with foot positioning (where you pop off of but also far down/up the board your back foot is). Also your weight distribution before and after you pop. I find it helps to kinda have more weight over my front foot before popping the nollie but then have to even out. Hard to explain but just try some different combinations of foot positioning and weight distribution.

If you can do a shitty nollie 5050 then your nollie is probably sufficient. Obviously also make sure you turn your shoulders around properly. Its one of those tricks where usually by the time I bend down I kinda have an idea if I'm gonna do a floaty one or a shite one.

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Thanks for the knowledge drop as usual silhouette, I'm going to try and find stuff with enough height and length to ollie over during my lockdown sessions.

Another one I've been struggling (more with) are nollie FS 180s, I can't get the timing to do the hefy but I can do them enough to do shitty nollie boardslides and nollie 50-50s. I always end up 90 degrees and sliding my wheels the rest of the way.
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Yo my pleasure, it's pretty funny that by coincidence you're always trying to learn tricks that also happen to be my favorites (or maybe I just have too many favorite tricks). Frontside nollies are actually another one, I find that those work better if you think of them as a switch ollie going the wrong way with a translation (just like it's better to think of halfcabs as solid, ample ollies just popped fakie into a turn back to regs), most people commit the mistake of thinking of them as pivoting off the nose with pop somewhere somehow and thus don't keep their shoulders in check so they can't really get high ones and are likely to overturn their body in relation to the board.

I think for that trick it's key to have both feet well inside the board if that makes sense, for me at least back foot feels deep inside the concave and the front foot isn't on the tip of the nose but more like in the dead center (as you want to pop downwards for a good nollie and need to give it that nudge forwards to get the front wheels up, and then you turn your hips as you feel the trick leveling out). I feel like the shoulders don't do much on that trick, you're better off just facing the direction you're going to have a head start (whereas on a straight nollie you'd keep them parallel to the board) and then just using your lower body and it should all follow through. The motion itself is pretty simple and then once you get it down you can concentrate on pop.

Also from what I've observed, a lot of people will have great frontside nollies or nollie shifties but will suck at backside ones and vice versa, I reckon because the technique to get proper height on them is very different. So for some reason I suspect that you might be more comfortable with nollie backside 180's? (Really random question, I'm just curious)

Finally for your ollies, you don't even need something big to clear as it's all about figuring out the timing of the technique I described and then once you have you can easily apply to most everything (that's reasonable). Pretty sure what helped me was actually trying to nosebonk low-to-average height flatbars and keeping missing the bonk because it taught me to kind of 'wrap' my board around the obstacle as it clears it and then I find it just starts working on taller stuff as well. Jimmy Lannon is another good one to study when it comes to posture on that trick.

Thanks guys, I definitely find Nollie BS 180s easier, I can do them consistently but they are low and are nowhere close to being pretty; but the rotation feels much more natural than Nollie FS 180. There is an abandoned parking structure near my block of flat with some random trash around, I'll set that up as an ollie practice course. All this time indoor isn't helping my gear madness.

Spent the whole month focusing on back tailslides on curbs. Another trick I learned 15 years ago but haven't resuscitated the muscle memory for.

I haven't even slid one properly yet. I can ollie into them, but 95% of the time I don't get my entire tail on, or too much of my weight is on my heel, so I always stick. I'm trying to lean more toward my toes, take a wider stance, and turn more, but it hasn't worked out so far. 

If you're getting the lock into the curb you're around 60% there, more speed, wax (especially the side of the ledge) and confidence would help. Not exceptionally good at them but I spend a lot of time analyzing and working on this trick when I'm at the park. Ollie-ing into a ledge stationary versus sliding are different.

Whenever I would stick it was because I was popping too high into them and trying to stomp my tail onto the ledge which would result in:
1) Sticking on the ledge
2) Having the board slip out under me

I try to think of it like you are popping your tail just high enough, picking your back foot enough to slot your tail onto the side of the ledge. So if you're riding parallel to the ledge, you and your board are just continuing the forward motion but using your tail as an anchor to the ledge.

With tailslides you have to be much more deliberate with where you place your tail, with noseslides you can just smash your nose in there and hang on for dear life.

https://youtu.be/YD9PL9hWPzM?t=125

This video really helped me out even though he doesn't go into specifics about the trick and spends most of the time doing 1/2 cab noseslides. Not trying to stomp the tail onto the ledge, just guiding it into position and riding on top of the ledge.

Last thing I'll add is don't forget how your hips factor into controlling the rotation of the board. I suck at doing BS Tailslides to regular but can do them to fakie, mostly because over-rotate my shoulder during the turn so that momentum continues throughout the slides and pushes me out to fakie. On the 1 week I could come out regular I really focus on pivoting from my hips; so my head is still pointing forward, my shoulders are parallel to the ledge and the board rotation is controlled by my hips entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ublic2D8VZM

https://sidewalkmag.com/longform/advanced-bs-tailslide
The explanatory notes are generic but frame 6 is what I'm talking about with regards to the hips. That allows you to keep your shoulders parallel and control the exit to regular or fakie.

Small controlled motions give the best control on tricks.

Edit: went down a Jon Allie rabbit hole and found this perfect BS Tailislide he does in New Blood; rotation is all in the hips. Feels weird paying that much attention to a dude's hips.
https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=88

(Not an expert but having a forum to share my thoughts helps me crystallize my thoughts and process of a trick)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 24, 2020, 10:16:49 AM
Just re-learend half cab flips. Don't think I've done one in over 15 years. Feels good at 45 to know some things are still possible.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on June 24, 2020, 06:18:23 PM

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Spent the whole month focusing on back tailslides on curbs. Another trick I learned 15 years ago but haven't resuscitated the muscle memory for.

I haven't even slid one properly yet. I can ollie into them, but 95% of the time I don't get my entire tail on, or too much of my weight is on my heel, so I always stick. I'm trying to lean more toward my toes, take a wider stance, and turn more, but it hasn't worked out so far. 
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If you're getting the lock into the curb you're around 60% there, more speed, wax (especially the side of the ledge) and confidence would help. Not exceptionally good at them but I spend a lot of time analyzing and working on this trick when I'm at the park. Ollie-ing into a ledge stationary versus sliding are different.

Whenever I would stick it was because I was popping too high into them and trying to stomp my tail onto the ledge which would result in:
1) Sticking on the ledge
2) Having the board slip out under me

I try to think of it like you are popping your tail just high enough, picking your back foot enough to slot your tail onto the side of the ledge. So if you're riding parallel to the ledge, you and your board are just continuing the forward motion but using your tail as an anchor to the ledge.

With tailslides you have to be much more deliberate with where you place your tail, with noseslides you can just smash your nose in there and hang on for dear life.

https://youtu.be/YD9PL9hWPzM?t=125

This video really helped me out even though he doesn't go into specifics about the trick and spends most of the time doing 1/2 cab noseslides. Not trying to stomp the tail onto the ledge, just guiding it into position and riding on top of the ledge.

Last thing I'll add is don't forget how your hips factor into controlling the rotation of the board. I suck at doing BS Tailslides to regular but can do them to fakie, mostly because over-rotate my shoulder during the turn so that momentum continues throughout the slides and pushes me out to fakie. On the 1 week I could come out regular I really focus on pivoting from my hips; so my head is still pointing forward, my shoulders are parallel to the ledge and the board rotation is controlled by my hips entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ublic2D8VZM

https://sidewalkmag.com/longform/advanced-bs-tailslide
The explanatory notes are generic but frame 6 is what I'm talking about with regards to the hips. That allows you to keep your shoulders parallel and control the exit to regular or fakie.

Small controlled motions give the best control on tricks.

Edit: went down a Jon Allie rabbit hole and found this perfect BS Tailislide he does in New Blood; rotation is all in the hips. Feels weird paying that much attention to a dude's hips.
https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=88

(Not an expert but having a forum to share my thoughts helps me crystallize my thoughts and process of a trick)

Awesome, thank you. I'm going to remember your tips and try them the next time the park isn't sweltering and crowded with scooters. Which may be never, but hopefully not.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on June 24, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
Trying to learn nollie heel 180 front side. I can do halfcab heel and nollie heel and nollie 180 but I am reluctant to commit
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on July 01, 2020, 11:13:06 AM
Not really a trick or anything but My last two boards I've noticed I'm popping severely toeside, like razortail is centered beyond the toe side bolts toe side.

I recorded myself doing some ollies and shit consciously thinking to pop straight down and I'm almost front shuving it. I don't think its the shoulders because the shoulders don't look like they move much and the nose stays straight, just the back floats up like a front shuv.

At first it didn't bother me that much but these days its driving me fucking crazy. I definitely didn't used to have this problem, like looking at old boards and shit. But something so damn simple I can't even do when focusing on it 100% got me going home early so I don't yell and shit in public like a person even though I usually very rarely get mad, especially at skating.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ZachV on July 02, 2020, 07:11:37 AM
I learned how to roll in today, I’m just hoping I can retain it and learn how to do it on stuff bigger then 4 feet. I’m the biggest pussy on transition  :P
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 02, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
Not really a trick or anything but My last two boards I've noticed I'm popping severely toeside, like razortail is centered beyond the toe side bolts toe side.

I recorded myself doing some ollies and shit consciously thinking to pop straight down and I'm almost front shuving it. I don't think its the shoulders because the shoulders don't look like they move much and the nose stays straight, just the back floats up like a front shuv.

At first it didn't bother me that much but these days its driving me fucking crazy. I definitely didn't used to have this problem, like looking at old boards and shit. But something so damn simple I can't even do when focusing on it 100% got me going home early so I don't yell and shit in public like a person even though I usually very rarely get mad, especially at skating.

Could be your foot position? My boards used to do this but now when I ollie I make sure my toes are fully on the board and even slightly in from the edge.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 02, 2020, 09:29:45 PM
Been skating like I was a teen again and I now finally started getting flip tricks. I get kickflips every other to 3rd try. Trying heelflips but, I don't feel like they flip fast enough.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on July 03, 2020, 06:06:49 AM
I've been trying it of and on for years but I want to commit to learning tre flips. It's exhausting as hell but looking somewhat forward to the battle.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ZachV on July 03, 2020, 07:39:06 AM
Any backside air tips?, I’m not much of a vert rider but im already pretty comfortable riding in big bowls.

I’m staying out of town and there’s this park that has a bowl with like maybe 2 feet of vert in the deep end and was thinking of putting a helmet on a giving it a shot.

From how I understand it, I have to bonk my back wheels, grab my board, and rotate my body 180 degrees (if only it was that simple  :P)

I’m planning on grabbing melon if I get the balls to try it, but if any Pals have some tips I would appreciate it.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on July 03, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
Bigger spin on flat.  I think thats what it is.   You do a 360 and the board does a 540(?)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hyliannightmare on July 04, 2020, 04:36:42 AM
Frontside carve on the mini
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sluggloaph on July 04, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
Switch carves/ power slides and switch heels. Can't do em Reggie but jus want a switch flip jawn
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 05, 2020, 06:10:05 AM
Bs 180 fakie manny. I can be 180 on the pad and land on my back wheels but when I hold the fakie manny it seems like a fluke (I never fully feel comfortable). Are there any tips on holding them? Like where I should look or something?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
Bs 180 fakie manny. I can be 180 on the pad and land on my back wheels but when I hold the fakie manny it seems like a fluke (I never fully feel comfortable). Are there any tips on holding them? Like where I should look or something?

cant do this trick but all my friends who can say that you're meant to only ollie 90 degrees and skrrt your way into the fakie manual
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 05, 2020, 05:54:41 PM
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Bs 180 fakie manny. I can be 180 on the pad and land on my back wheels but when I hold the fakie manny it seems like a fluke (I never fully feel comfortable). Are there any tips on holding them? Like where I should look or something?
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cant do this trick but all my friends who can say that you're meant to only ollie 90 degrees and skrrt your way into the fakie manual

Okay thanks man! That would make sense because I’d usually focus on doing a full 180 and landing in fakie manny but, the ones I have gotten close too landing had that “skrrt”. I just never put the two together.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on July 08, 2020, 04:25:26 AM
I've developed a bad habit of tensing my toes and pointing them down on flip tricks after flicking and as I land. Makes the possibility of an ankle roll much higher. Trying to get out of it. Last session I didn't even bother flipping my board. Anyone else developed this habit?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 08, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
A few months ago they repaved my neighborhood and it’s a super smooth ride now. I’ve just been trying to cruise around switch and get a good switch push going. If I get my front foot position just right then I can fly around, but if it’s off a tiny bit then it’s a total disaster. Doing a revert and getting a strong switch push in right after is an amazing feeling. I can do some tail scraps, hopefully a strong ollie by the end of summer.

What about you?

Gnared keep it up. You got this. Up hills is the ticket helps you keep your balance big time.

I am about to go practice my turn around trick for my birthday lines.

 I hope to get switch front pop back 80s looking proper without a fish between the curbs we got.
We was planning on Boston ledges but it's not going to happen.

So I figured to fill the void with tricks into hamburger hill. Going down that switch is gnarly and they're beginning to pave around that area.

My main Manny pad spot is getting new pavement.

One more thing. I've found that painting left handed has greatly increased my switch abilities. Try it it out might help you too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 08, 2020, 09:56:36 AM
I've developed a bad habit of tensing my toes and pointing them down on flip tricks after flicking and as I land. Makes the possibility of an ankle roll much higher. Trying to get out of it. Last session I didn't even bother flipping my board. Anyone else developed this habit?

I didn't realize I started doing this until I just read your reply now. I haven't rolled my ankle but have had some pain because of it. Maybe just reminding yourself to stay loose after your flick/pop would help
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 08, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: animalflesh on July 08, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
Usually that’s because you’re not popping as hard switch as you are regular, and you’re relying on the drag rather than the pop to complete the trick

I suck at switch but I lost my nollies when I first skated a pair of dunks and that ended up being the culprit
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 08, 2020, 02:02:47 PM
How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.

just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 08, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
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How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
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just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.

I actually had this same thought when I was skating today, like, "maybe I should skate something steeper". I love flat boards but have also been a vulc person since like 2005.

Anyway, I spent some time after work just doing switch ollies and realized that putting my foot further towards the nose (but still keeping my other foot in the usual spot) it kind of made them pop a little better. But I still think I want to try something with a steeper concave.

@Thom it was weird, not even ghost pop like that but almost like some weird timing thing.

Edit: it won't let me tag the right Thom
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Baswell Cerry on July 08, 2020, 04:24:28 PM
Fucking trying to air on a quarter. Like I've watched dudes do it a thousand times asked think i can, but when I'm on the wall I can't even fathom how to get up!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 08, 2020, 04:49:23 PM
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How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
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just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.
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I actually had this same thought when I was skating today, like, "maybe I should skate something steeper". I love flat boards but have also been a vulc person since like 2005.

Anyway, I spent some time after work just doing switch ollies and realized that putting my foot further towards the nose (but still keeping my other foot in the usual spot) it kind of made them pop a little better. But I still think I want to try something with a steeper concave.

@Thom it was weird, not even ghost pop like that but almost like some weird timing thing.

Edit: it won't let me tag the right Thom

Yea I feel that, my rationale for it is that with thick shoes + steep concave or thin shoes + mellow concave, the amount of concave you effectively feel under your feet is about the same.

Could be worth a try, but I'm not sure its going to be a game changer. I've never gone out of my way to buy boards with deeper dishes because my shoes are stiff its just something I casually notice sometimes.

If you find cupsoles less grippy, and don't already skate mob, maybe switching to mob could help? idk
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 08, 2020, 05:57:41 PM
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How to completely switch to cupsoles. It is messing with my pop (what little of it I have) on switch tricks so bad for whatever reason.
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just deal with it until you get used to it and then itll be fine. Though I noticed for me at least, I prefer mellow concave boards with really thin, flexible and grippy shoes whereas I definitely prefer a steeper concave if my shoe is really stiff and I can't feel shit.... so if you can't feel your board maybe you could feel it a bit better if the concave was deeper.
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I actually had this same thought when I was skating today, like, "maybe I should skate something steeper". I love flat boards but have also been a vulc person since like 2005.

Anyway, I spent some time after work just doing switch ollies and realized that putting my foot further towards the nose (but still keeping my other foot in the usual spot) it kind of made them pop a little better. But I still think I want to try something with a steeper concave.

@Thom it was weird, not even ghost pop like that but almost like some weird timing thing.

Edit: it won't let me tag the right Thom
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Yea I feel that, my rationale for it is that with thick shoes + steep concave or thin shoes + mellow concave, the amount of concave you effectively feel under your feet is about the same.

Could be worth a try, but I'm not sure its going to be a game changer. I've never gone out of my way to buy boards with deeper dishes because my shoes are stiff its just something I casually notice sometimes.

If you find cupsoles less grippy, and don't already skate mob, maybe switching to mob could help? idk

It makes sense. And game changer or not, I generally seek out the flattest boards possible so getting something steeper to try is going to be less work. I've considered mob but honestly part of the reason I'm on cupsoles is because I'll wear through a vulc sole in 2-3 weeks max. I feel like the grip thing is something I could get used to.

But yeah, going to see if something steeper works.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on July 09, 2020, 02:49:48 PM
Just to echo a similar sentiment:

I have some Liberty Cups which are just now getting nice and broken in (6 months later lol) and I had some really great sessions on my steep kick/Ace set-up but i was getting so frustrated on my flat/Venture set-up. In the middle of my flatground session the other day I switched over to a thinner shoe (Legacy Slim) and everything was clicking again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 09, 2020, 05:25:57 PM
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I've developed a bad habit of tensing my toes and pointing them down on flip tricks after flicking and as I land. Makes the possibility of an ankle roll much higher. Trying to get out of it. Last session I didn't even bother flipping my board. Anyone else developed this habit?
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I didn't realize I started doing this until I just read your reply now. I haven't rolled my ankle but have had some pain because of it. Maybe just reminding yourself to stay loose after your flick/pop would help

This would explain why my ankles feel all loose and weird. I assumed they were sore.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on July 09, 2020, 08:27:23 PM
Trying to do all my tricks from Ollie stance
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on July 09, 2020, 09:44:58 PM
Half cab crooks.

A few days ago landed 2 out of 70- 85 attempts  >:( >:( >:

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on July 10, 2020, 06:19:34 AM
back three's

Board tends to fly out, i think Im leaning in too much.

Came kinda close to one last night, but havent landed one yet.

Wish me luck.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 12, 2020, 11:59:51 AM
Just to echo a similar sentiment:

I have some Liberty Cups which are just now getting nice and broken in (6 months later lol) and I had some really great sessions on my steep kick/Ace set-up but i was getting so frustrated on my flat/Venture set-up. In the middle of my flatground session the other day I switched over to a thinner shoe (Legacy Slim) and everything was clicking again.

Word, I just got a normal-ish concave board that I'm going to set up and try once this board (DOA flat) is done. I will say I got a lot mores used to it today after having a few days off the board on a camping trip.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 12, 2020, 09:33:43 PM
Tried flip back smith today for a bit. Fuhhhhhh usually ended up getting into 5-0, suski, tail, or lip.... pretty much anything but smith. The ledge I tried on I can back smith every try and the ones I did lock into proper after flipping into stuck and came down way too hard. Definitely getting there, but lots of trial and error and patience, not really a flip in guy.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ShredneyMullen on July 12, 2020, 10:56:51 PM
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A few months ago they repaved my neighborhood and it’s a super smooth ride now. I’ve just been trying to cruise around switch and get a good switch push going. If I get my front foot position just right then I can fly around, but if it’s off a tiny bit then it’s a total disaster. Doing a revert and getting a strong switch push in right after is an amazing feeling. I can do some tail scraps, hopefully a strong ollie by the end of summer.

What about you?
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All of my go to tricks (tre flip laser flip bigspin late kick hardflips 360 inward heels inpossibles primo slides/casper slides/ one foot manny and ledge tricks etc) and every trick I cannot yet do as a go to trick suchas switch fs 360 nollie tre ba 360 kickflip and 360 hardflip.
Basically a bunch of kook ass shit

 My back has been fucked up for three years now which makes
my legs and ankles all fucked up also and that pain in unbearable without drugs but I am finally getting all of my old tricks back super clean again and working on tricks I never got to have down first try, I am very critical on making sure I can do everything first try no matter what it is. Unfortunately I can no longer jump anything bigger than a one block and I can do no more than basic tricks for everything that isnt flatground right now such as rails tranny manuals hips etc. But at least I can do what I can clean again.

shaloma bin laden
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 13, 2020, 04:42:40 AM
Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 13, 2020, 05:10:50 AM
FS tails on ledges and Fs 5050 on rails, for some reason sometimes I dont lock the back truck on the rail or if I do I jump off I can 5050 on ledges so I gets frustrating
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 13, 2020, 05:27:54 AM
FS tails on ledges and Fs 5050 on rails, for some reason sometimes I dont lock the back truck on the rail or if I do I jump off I can 5050 on ledges so I gets frustrating

Over rotate a little so it feels like the heel side wheel is hitting first. Less likely to stick on rails
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Land of the Faust on July 13, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
Trying to get a lazerflip.

I can varial heel pretty well, but I can't make the full 360.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 13, 2020, 09:36:01 AM
Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.

How I think of it is I get in a back tail fakie position while sliding and kinda body varial last second, which helps make the shuv easier. Many times if I’m in a back tail to regs position the board doesn’t shuv at all. When doing the shuv give it the tiniest little scoop with back foot too. Also, when I learned it I found it easier to not slide long and do a very quick back tail shuv and as time went on I’ve started to slide them longer.

Also, anyone have tips for kickflip back tails I’m either slipping out, sticking, or the board doesn’t follow my feet during the kickflip.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 13, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
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Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.
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How I think of it is I get in a back tail fakie position while sliding and kinda body varial last second, which helps make the shuv easier. Many times if I’m in a back tail to regs position the board doesn’t shuv at all. When doing the shuv give it the tiniest little scoop with back foot too. Also, when I learned it I found it easier to not slide long and do a very quick back tail shuv and as time went on I’ve started to slide them longer.

Also, anyone have tips for kickflip back tails I’m either slipping out, sticking, or the board doesn’t follow my feet during the kickflip.

For flip back tail, I have my front foot barely on the board, and I flick really aggressively to make it flip as fast as possible, and flick in the direction that you're rotating towards so that the flick kinda rotates the board right into position (So lets say you're regular, rolling North and the ledge is behind you, you kinda wanna pop and flick 'east' almost if that makes sense)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on July 13, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
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Back Tail Shuv out. I'm finally getting long stable bs tails so I think its time to add on.
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How I think of it is I get in a back tail fakie position while sliding and kinda body varial last second, which helps make the shuv easier. Many times if I’m in a back tail to regs position the board doesn’t shuv at all. When doing the shuv give it the tiniest little scoop with back foot too. Also, when I learned it I found it easier to not slide long and do a very quick back tail shuv and as time went on I’ve started to slide them longer.

Also, anyone have tips for kickflip back tails I’m either slipping out, sticking, or the board doesn’t follow my feet during the kickflip.
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For flip back tail, I have my front foot barely on the board, and I flick really aggressively to make it flip as fast as possible, and flick in the direction that you're rotating towards so that the flick kinda rotates the board right into position (So lets say you're regular, rolling North and the ledge is behind you, you kinda wanna pop and flick 'east' almost if that makes sense)

Thanks man! And that does make sense because I always tried to think of it as a kickflip then turn into the bstail yet, the board usually never followed me. So I’ll give that a shot.
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Post by: ShredneyMullen on July 13, 2020, 02:36:34 PM
Trying to get a lazerflip.

I can varial heel pretty well, but I can't make the full 360.

get the back foot all in the fs pocket and ball of foot in the center of the tail its basically like a fs 360 pressure flip and then your heel you want your toes at a slight angle pointig towards you but not much just a little and have that heel foot a lil above the center of the deck and lean back just before you go to blast it out, dont lean forward before you pop it or youre not gonna do it or only labs shitty ones. lean back if you want a fat clean one. (this trick feels a lot like a big pressure flip, the heel you want to move behind you when you go to flip it, imagine trying to do a switch tre flip while standing i your regular stance, thats basically what it is) hope this helps if you need more tips for this or any trick let me know I can do any trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: toyo980 on July 13, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
Ollie Fs Wallride, I can bs wallride and Im prettt confident going fs in bowls but my mind cant process how to go from an ollie to my board being sideways on the wall
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Post by: walker on July 14, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
varial flips. i think im trying too hard to make it flip the way i want . it popshuvs perfectly around but only flips halfway, so i gotta flick better or something like that lol
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: toyo980 on July 14, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
also how to do tricks fast. What are good ways to approach doing tricks while going really fast I tend to put a lot of pressure on my back foot while doing ollies so I tend to wobble due to my weight being on the back.
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Post by: sKINGraft on July 18, 2020, 03:46:22 AM
trying to learn how to make half a layback air to texas plant look cool
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 18, 2020, 06:30:17 AM
I’m okay at back smiths on transition (I don’t do the heel sandbag thing, I can actually grind them) but if I try and hold it for any significant distance my front wheels just turn onto the ramp and they look kinda ugly. Any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fraction on July 18, 2020, 08:19:20 AM
Trying to learn big impossibles (Impossible BS180) like a bigspin.
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Post by: dallou on July 19, 2020, 06:50:49 AM
Switch frontside 360
Backside/frontside heel
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Post by: FUBAR on July 19, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Another old man trying to relearn some shit that used to be easy for me:
Fakie flips, half cab flips and if I get on a role, switch flips. If I don’t break my hip first. This shit is hard.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: VHS ERA on July 21, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
I’ve accidentally overshot frontside noseslides and got into back 180 nosegrind enough times that I just need to go ahead and learn back 180 nosegrind.

Is it weird that doing it on a high ledge sounds like it would work better than learning on a low ledge or curb? Include be wrong. My accidental one today when I was going for front nose was like knee height ledge. Grinded across it and if I had been planning for it feel like I coulda pulled it out to fakie and landed it. My legs were toast at that point though so I’m gonna try to learn them tomorrow.
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Post by: silhouette on July 26, 2020, 03:15:34 AM
Nollie flip out of nosewheelie - I had just never tried it before till yesterday. I usually spend my time doing variations of stuff I can already do or relearning old tricks, so starting fresh with a new maneuver actually felt really cool. Was just landing on my first few and starting to figure it out when a family took over the park and brought in a dozen of loud brats on scooters and bikes running amok who quickly made it impossible to be patient, but I'm psyched to actually learn it soon. Experimenting with different types of weight distribution for the nollie flip out especially felt funny because I love nollie flips yet this felt like a new dimension to them.

What I wish I understood is how people do nollie 360 flip out of nosewheelie though. I can nollie 360 shove out of nosewheelie and nollie 360 flip on flat and down small stuff just fine but the pairing of both tricks the way I do them still seems rather foreign.
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Post by: tzhangdox on July 26, 2020, 05:06:08 AM
I’ve accidentally overshot frontside noseslides and got into back 180 nosegrind enough times that I just need to go ahead and learn back 180 nosegrind.

Is it weird that doing it on a high ledge sounds like it would work better than learning on a low ledge or curb? Include be wrong. My accidental one today when I was going for front nose was like knee height ledge. Grinded across it and if I had been planning for it feel like I coulda pulled it out to fakie and landed it. My legs were toast at that point though so I’m gonna try to learn them tomorrow.

180 nosegrinds are definitely easier on something thats got some height to it, super hard to space and aim it on something tiny.
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Post by: silhouette on July 26, 2020, 05:13:36 AM
Backside 180 nosegrinds clicked for me as soon as I started thinking of them as alley-oop nosepicks on the ledge if that makes any sense. With the momentum you'll start grinding as soon as you lock in anyway and then the dismount is rather automatic.

By clicked for me, I mean for a few weeks tops, I haven't even just tried that trick in a bit but I had become acceptable at it for the short time I managed to keep it.
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Post by: VHS ERA on July 27, 2020, 04:14:29 PM
For once things actually went like I thought they would. Landed my first back 180 nosegrind ever the day after that post. Was a pretty short little bonk though. This week I try to get a proper one.
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Post by: consumer on July 27, 2020, 09:28:17 PM
i started skating again after a five or so year hiatus through college and the tricks im learning are ankle stretches, 25 minutes sessions, fat and old tre flip, and alcohol intake management with a side of transgender stuff like finding stuff in my size that is good to skate in. vans womens has been killing it lately with skate oriented stuff in bigger sizes and its sick.
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Post by: rocklobster on July 27, 2020, 10:47:42 PM
i started skating again after a five or so year hiatus through college and the tricks im learning are ankle stretches, 25 minutes sessions, fat and old tre flip, and alcohol intake management with a side of transgender stuff like finding stuff in my size that is good to skate in. vans womens has been killing it lately with skate oriented stuff in bigger sizes and its sick.

Check out Dr Kyle Brown on IG, his stretching, strength and conditioning and rehab exercises really helped me get back on the board last year after not skating for around 5 years. My ankles had horrible flexibility and I could only do mobbed kickflips. The ankle workouts with the resistance bands helped me get them semi-decent and are also good for rehab during the inevitable ankle tweak (flat feet).
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Post by: Paperclip20 on August 06, 2020, 06:01:53 AM
Backside blunt on a ledge. Anyone have advice on this one? So far I have "landed" two of them where I locked in and got out of the ledge but i'm not sliding, even if I wax up the ledge pretty good. I am assuming I might be leaning to far forward which would make me stick instead of slide
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Post by: Skatebeard on August 06, 2020, 09:44:56 AM
Switch BS 360 pop shuvs...I'm so close i can almost taste it, just need to commit the front foot.

Also working on fakie bs flips, and switch and regular bigspins both ways... can crank them out nollie and fakie no bother, but switch and regs deffo seem way harder for me for whatever reason.
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Post by: wrTcHDfKN4nTZ on August 07, 2020, 01:31:47 AM
Right now I'm trying to learn a bunch of frontside tricks I've never really understood but just sorta figured out how they work recently, front heel flips, front big spins and big heels, varial heels, and back heels which I've been working on for ages, a lot of my issues for all these right now is just committing. it's so annoying at this point, majority of my attempts arent lands just because I'm bitching it with one foot or the other.

Switch BS 360 pop shuvs...I'm so close i can almost taste it, just need to commit the front foot.

Also working on fakie bs flips, and switch and regular bigspins both ways... can crank them out nollie and fakie no bother, but switch and regs deffo seem way harder for me for whatever reason.

The advice that helped me for back big spins was to have your back foot to kind of be in a similar position to a tre flip but not hanging off as much, just slightly and also flat when you pop, the main thing though is keeping your front foot out of the way, or lifting it up, when you pop and rotate like you would for an impossible
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Post by: vhsfisheye on August 11, 2020, 09:20:28 PM
bs 360 shuvs, frontside heelflips & manual reverts
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Post by: peptobismol on August 12, 2020, 12:25:06 AM
im learning how to forgive myself.
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Post by: Benchpress on August 12, 2020, 02:27:34 AM
im learning how to forgive myself.

This hits hard. I sometimes forget why I started skating, I end up pulling my hair out over not getting some obscure trick. Sometimes it's nice to remember I'm just a human, I'm not going to improve leaps and bounds daily. Just push around and chill.
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Post by: SlapRhaters on August 12, 2020, 06:07:03 PM
How to be nicer when i go to skate parks, i skate street 99% of the time so i'm not use to them.. I just like to be alone and do my thing but every park i go to i end up annoyed and act like a dick.

a couple days ago i was recovering from a heel bruise which is why i went to the park so i was just doing switch tricks on a low ledge that i suck at the entire sesh, a pretty good ripper showed up ( i respect him and honestly wish it was just us at the park as we both have a mutual respect to leave each other alone except for when one of us lights a joint) and was killing the euro to ledge with fs smith, nosegrind first try. I was stoked for him but there was another skater that was losing his mind over the guys ledge tricks and even looking at me EVERY SINGLE time the dude landed a trick trying to have a "holy fuck " moment together with me. Eventually i couldn't stand it so i went and back smithed the ledge first try and just stared at him as i rode away straight to my backpack and out of the park.

Also its not even that he may have assumed the other skater was better then me and i took offence, that's not it at all, if a skater is better or even almost as good as me i have a HUGE level of respect for them,

it's the fact that smith and nose grinds are basic tricks, Why are you so impressed? it's embarrassing and i've literally seen the ripper do fs smith kickflips out on it as well so maybe if this super impressed skater amazed by nose grinds actually spent more time out skating he would would know it was nothing for the guy, let alone impressive enough to look at me and try to share a " holy fuck " moment 7 times.

tldr? I hate " skaters" people who claim to love skating but are trash at it and think every trick is impressive because they never worked hard enough themselves at the thing they " love " to realize how easy or hard a trick is.
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Post by: CorneliusCardew on August 12, 2020, 07:47:48 PM
Fs 360 shuv. Please help
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Post by: peptobismol on August 12, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
Fs 360 shuv. Please help
watch some devine calloway
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Post by: Uncle Flea on August 12, 2020, 07:50:46 PM
Trying to learn big impossibles (Impossible BS180) like a bigspin.

I feel big flips are a must have for practice. Idk. That was way easier for me than Tre at one time. Impossible has always been easy. Adding a backside 180 is kind of difficult obviously. The board wants to leave your feet if you start to move your legs too soon.

 I open my shoulders just to get a little wind up i scoop and By the time the board hits my front foot my upper body is in full back 80 motion.

Then you got the option of dropping slow with like a casual 45° twist on the front bolts. Back foot I Think like Michael Jackson dropping his hat into his gloved hand doing that freeze. Twist your toe like a boxer pointing you heel south.
Like a switch hesh rock and roll style. 

Best option is pull it up and pull it around with your bear traps you legend swinging your arms King Tut while it's sucked up. Point your hand down where you want to board to land then stomp that shit with authority all pow when people are watching you at the skatepark.

This is a good into things trick. Hills wedges bumps. Off the a frame. A fatty too flatty is potential board breaker for me.

Actually the main problem with this trick is it leaving your foot in the first parts and looking like a bad 540 shuv thing half front body varial. Mai rattling around in between your knees or cracking off on your Achilles tendon.

Either way it looks like you never skated before.



I'm ultra stoned if this this insanity

  Oh rolling your ankle is real easy with pivoting off bolts if you don't break nose off board

To listen to hills that are really slick and old.
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Post by: Uncle Flea on August 12, 2020, 08:03:19 PM
Fs 360 shuv. Please help

I think they're easier switch but I put my Poppin foot in the pocket like duck footed (little toes off opposite of Tre) with my heel dug into the rail next to Bolts above the wheel I pop and I scoop but forward more
 
The dug in heel is a guide the board out in front of you.and gets part of your foot inside the WB.

Front foot is flat. I line my heel up with the edge of the board should be pretty close to square with the heel. Toes off is better than heels off whatever puts you close to center but you can keep your whole foot flat on the tape because it's going to move towards your toes for the stomp.

See the bolts it should be Right underneath you not to the side not behind you should be right underneath you it's a really fast trick when you have the heel dug in.

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Post by: Hyliannightmare on August 12, 2020, 09:53:13 PM
Lip slide on mini
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Post by: matty_c on August 16, 2020, 08:44:38 PM
Fs nollie to sw manny. Just on a curb high pad. I wecked a few, I haven’t done one yet
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Post by: rocklobster on August 16, 2020, 09:16:19 PM
Front Crooks, Back 5-0 and Fakie Nosegrind on a much taller ledge than I'm used to.

The Front Crook will take some work, only learned them earlier this year but I can't get the angle and height to lock the truck in crooked. Feels different from a Back Crook where you can 1/2 ass your ollie into the grind.

For Back 5-0 its a confidence thing; not 100% on my Back 50 on the ledge yet.

Ate shit on a Fakie Nosegrind yesterday, too much weight on the back truck and I slipped out.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on August 17, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Bs smiths have just been killing me, I don't even feel close.
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Post by: Peepeeboy69 on August 19, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
im trying to flip into fs 5050

How do you make the kickflip turn frontside? Ive been trying to visualize like ollie over the ledge, then flicking away from the ledge but it works pretty shittily

I haven't really changed my foot position from a regular flatground kf other than moving my back foot heelside like a fs shuv-ish

Today I did flip into like a shitty ledge feeble ish thing and rolled away. I'm happy to have flipped into some grind kind of but afterwards it only made me more frustrated that I didn't just turn the board like 10 more degrees and actually do the trick
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Post by: Adriii on August 19, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
-Frontside crooked 270 out.
- slappys 5050s. dont understand slappys
- proper sw heels.
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Post by: silhouette on August 20, 2020, 01:37:38 AM
im trying to flip into fs 5050

How do you make the kickflip turn frontside? Ive been trying to visualize like ollie over the ledge, then flicking away from the ledge but it works pretty shittily

I haven't really changed my foot position from a regular flatground kf other than moving my back foot heelside like a fs shuv-ish

I don't really do that trick anymore but those used to be easier than kickflip backside 50-50 for me, I remember I'd just think of it as a normal 50-50 but add the kickflip flick at the peak of the ollie. You're not supposed to have it turn frontside nor flick away from the ledge, just align yourself with the ledge like you would ollieing into the 50-50 but with a bit more pop so that the board has no chance of hitting the obstacle while flipping and don't think about how it's going to leave your foot, just extend the motion and flick through the nose like you would for a good kickflip. Visualize it as if you wanted to kickflip up the obstacle like it's a big curb except you go at such an angle that both your trucks catch the edge when you land on top if that makes sense. Trying to turn frontside will most likely fuck up your alignment in relation to the obstacle.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 20, 2020, 09:47:12 AM
Front Crooks, Back 5-0 and Fakie Nosegrind on a much taller ledge than I'm used to.

The Front Crook will take some work, only learned them earlier this year but I can't get the angle and height to lock the truck in crooked. Feels different from a Back Crook where you can 1/2 ass your ollie into the grind.

For Back 5-0 its a confidence thing; not 100% on my Back 50 on the ledge yet.

Ate shit on a Fakie Nosegrind yesterday, too much weight on the back truck and I slipped out.

Yo @silhouette you got any tips for:
FS / BS Fakie Nosegrinds
Noseslide 270 out (for regular and 1/2 cab in)
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Post by: silhouette on August 20, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
I only really do fakie nosegrinds frontside, I'm not big into fakie backside ledge tricks. There's no real secret to that one honestly if you can fakie 50-50, you just do the same thing but land off instead of centered, pushing down on the nose. It's a pretty self-explanatory trick, there's very little technique. Nollie 5-0's work the same. It's easier than fakie nosemanny too when it comes to balancing it because of how you lock in. Just gotta figure out how not to slip out.

Noseslide 270 out I can only do with the 270 going with the original rotation, not against (so the easiest variation). If that's the one you have in mind then those are all in the wind-up (personally I trick my brain into thinking I'm about to go for a 360 step hop because I'm used to that trick), slappy is easier because you can just jam the nose onto the ledge and instantly use the momentum to launch a pop out. In a way I just think of them as frontside 360 nollies on flat except there's a noseslide somewhere in there that you pop off. If you want to do them fully in the air then having a decent switch backside 180 probably helps because when you're doing it right, it feels like you're kind of popping a switch backside 180'ing down the ledge, just off an unpractical position. I always disliked trying and even just seeing the noseslide 270's going the other way. I can do those weird straight-on slappy nose (approaching perpendicular, so no slide) then quick nollie b/s 180 out on obstacles but can't seem to replicate the motion out of an actual noseslide - I can see how it's supposed to work but the feel is off to me. I've been playing around with attempts at noseslide to back lips and even just getting that little rotation is tough.

Also for tricks out of halfcab noseslides in general, I just pretend I'm doing the trick out of a regular noseslide. Ideally it's the exact same shit once you're locked in so there's no reason why anything should change, it's just the roll-up that's different.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 20, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
I only really do fakie nosegrinds frontside, I'm not big into fakie backside ledge tricks. There's no real secret to that one honestly if you can fakie 50-50, you just do the same thing but land off instead of centered, pushing down on the nose. It's a pretty self-explanatory trick, there's very little technique. Nollie 5-0's work the same. It's easier than fakie nosemanny too when it comes to balancing it because of how you lock in. Just gotta figure out how not to slip out.

Noseslide 270 out I can only do with the 270 going with the original rotation, not against (so the easiest variation). If that's the one you have in mind then those are all in the wind-up (personally I trick my brain into thinking I'm about to go for a 360 step hop because I'm used to that trick), slappy is easier because you can just jam the nose onto the ledge and instantly use the momentum to launch a pop out. In a way I just think of them as frontside 360 nollies on flat except there's a noseslide somewhere in there that you pop off. If you want to do them fully in the air then having a decent switch backside 180 probably helps because when you're doing it right, it feels like you're kind of popping a switch backside 180'ing down the ledge, just off an unpractical position. I always disliked trying and even just seeing the noseslide 270's going the other way. I can do those weird straight-on slappy nose (approaching perpendicular, so no slide) then quick nollie b/s 180 out on obstacles but can't seem to replicate the motion out of an actual noseslide - I can see how it's supposed to work but the feel is off to me. I've been playing around with attempts at noseslide to back lips and even just getting that little rotation is tough.

Also for tricks out of halfcab noseslides in general, I just pretend I'm doing the trick out of a regular noseslide. Ideally it's the exact same shit once you're locked in so there's no reason why anything should change, it's just the roll-up that's different.

Thanks man, always appreciate the insightful responses. Thinking of it as doing a Nollie 270 out is helpful, though my Nollie 180s are terrible as it is.
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Post by: silhouette on August 20, 2020, 10:27:56 AM
Yeah honestly I'd recommend just working on popping out of noseslides in general because it's a whole lot of fun. I first started learning those because of the classic Rob Welsh clips of course but also because of Lui Araki and Dom Henry who have insane ones (Dom can even do noseslide melons as a joke) and once you start doing them like that you can't go back. That's also easier to do from slappy because of how the momentum works. Then once you've figured out the timing (even if it's on small pop outs) I reckon it should be easy to spin an extra 270 (or 180 then 90 degrees of revert if you're short on air time) whichever your preferred way is. What I was saying about halfcab noseslides ideally working just like noseslides also applies here so once you know how to do it you can also replicate the motion out of those and then I guess go with the flow if you feel like adding rotations.

I think for a bit I had better frontside 360 nollies than I had frontside 180 nollies, the key for those is to nest your feet real deep in the concave and then you just use the big toe on your front foot to pop into the rotation. I feel like nollie 180's work just a little bit differently because you can't use as much momentum on the jump so you really have to focus on getting a good nollie motion instead, 360's you can just throw around. Actually I just remembered the first flatground 360 nollie I ever got on film in a line (back in like 2003) was essentially a 360 shove-it with a 360 body varial and no feet touching, haha.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 20, 2020, 08:19:53 PM
Yeah honestly I'd recommend just working on popping out of noseslides in general because it's a whole lot of fun. I first started learning those because of the classic Rob Welsh clips of course but also because of Lui Araki and Dom Henry who have insane ones (Dom can even do noseslide melons as a joke) and once you start doing them like that you can't go back. That's also easier to do from slappy because of how the momentum works. Then once you've figured out the timing (even if it's on small pop outs) I reckon it should be easy to spin an extra 270 (or 180 then 90 degrees of revert if you're short on air time) whichever your preferred way is. What I was saying about halfcab noseslides ideally working just like noseslides also applies here so once you know how to do it you can also replicate the motion out of those and then I guess go with the flow if you feel like adding rotations.

I think for a bit I had better frontside 360 nollies than I had frontside 180 nollies, the key for those is to nest your feet real deep in the concave and then you just use the big toe on your front foot to pop into the rotation. I feel like nollie 180's work just a little bit differently because you can't use as much momentum on the jump so you really have to focus on getting a good nollie motion instead, 360's you can just throw around. Actually I just remembered the first flatground 360 nollie I ever got on film in a line (back in like 2003) was essentially a 360 shove-it with a 360 body varial and no feet touching, haha.

Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?
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Post by: pinche gringo on August 20, 2020, 08:29:52 PM
Confidence.
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Post by: shmazz on August 20, 2020, 08:49:26 PM
Just your regular good ol' kickflip. Been putting them off for a while now because I didn't feel like I was ready to go for it, but right now I'm trying to get the flicking motion just right. Feeling pretty confident about landing one before the year is over.  :)
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Post by: Ray C. Usery on August 20, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
Just your regular good ol' kickflip. Been putting them off for a while now because I didn't feel like I was ready to go for it, but right now I'm trying to get the flicking motion just right. Feeling pretty confident about landing one before the year is over.  :)

Do them off a curb or a 2 stair it gives you more time to land on them. At least that's how I learned them. I still have trouble getting my back foot on. My hop skills are not too good.

Also let your nose do the flick for you. It's just an ollie that you kinda slide your kick to the side of you nose
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Post by: silhouette on August 21, 2020, 01:07:40 AM
Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?

Yeah it's just that (so barely a secret really), it's the same motion as when you drop in onto something but pop instead of just slamming the front wheels down, just switch and with momentum basically. Ideally your weight should be fully distributed over the nose for noseslides so it's easy, you just release some pressure for a very brief moment by transferring some force over the other leg (just enough not to fall off the ledge), then counter that and kind of spring out. The motion was always natural for me because I used to do those straight-on nose presses on curbs I was mentioning as a kid (not going up the curb, I could never do that - just jamming the nose coming in perpendicular then backside nollieing out). You could probably figure out the basic motion easily by just trying it on curbs a few times, then once you're comfortable with the timing and idea it kinda becomes second nature to apply it to your noseslide dismounts.
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Post by: Shagohod on August 21, 2020, 05:50:39 PM
working on heelflips. But being an old short asian guy, the threat of popsicling/credit carding my anus has been real.

next up is nollies and skating switch.
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Post by: rocklobster on August 21, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
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Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?
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Yeah it's just that (so barely a secret really), it's the same motion as when you drop in onto something but pop instead of just slamming the front wheels down, just switch and with momentum basically. Ideally your weight should be fully distributed over the nose for noseslides so it's easy, you just release some pressure for a very brief moment by transferring some force over the other leg (just enough not to fall off the ledge), then counter that and kind of spring out. The motion was always natural for me because I used to do those straight-on nose presses on curbs I was mentioning as a kid (not going up the curb, I could never do that - just jamming the nose coming in perpendicular then backside nollieing out). You could probably figure out the basic motion easily by just trying it on curbs a few times, then once you're comfortable with the timing and idea it kinda becomes second nature to apply it to your noseslide dismounts.

Managed to get 1 going today, speed definitely helped. Feels better than just flopping off the end like I usually do.

Working on getting front crooks more consistent, they are such a fun trick when you get the pinch in right. Feels easier on a slightly taller ledge, I always overshoot the top when trying on a shorter ledge.

Edit - good ledge session this weekend made me think about trying other tricks I've missed out over the years. Stuff like FS 1/2 Cab Noseslides, 1/2 Cab Crook, FS Fakie 5-0 and BS Fakie Nosegrind. Anyone ravioli ravioli and can show me the formuoli?
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Post by: sketchyrider on August 31, 2020, 01:56:49 PM
whoever said 360 flips are all in the back foot, you're full of shit, but thanks for helping me learn 360 shuvs.
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Post by: Skatebeard on September 01, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
Nollie flips...pretty tricky despite having regular and fakie flips down, decided to learn them to give my recently rolled leading ankle a rest.

I can spin the board the full rotation but reckon i'm a few lengthy sessions away from landing one.
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Post by: MorningSesh on September 01, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
whoever said 360 flips are all in the back foot, you're full of shit, but thanks for helping me learn 360 shuvs.
i know what you mean lol but you do have to do most of the work with your back foot. I can't really talk because I haven't learned them yet but I've noticed I always get closer when keeping weight on the back foot and making changes to back foot positioning or how I scoop.
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Post by: Hombreezy on September 01, 2020, 04:47:54 PM
whoever said 360 flips are all in the back foot, you're full of shit, but thanks for helping me learn 360 shuvs.
Tre flips are 99.99% back foot on flat unless you’re going down stairs, then it’s 70% back foot 30% front foot. I’m on the other side of the spectrum I guess, I never understood how people can scoop bigspins so good without them flipping. Impossible are all about timing for me and I don’t scoop it near as diagonal under me as I do for tre flips
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Post by: sketchyrider on September 01, 2020, 06:07:13 PM
I hear yall, i got the flip down but i had to jump forward which is a sign of needing more work. Its close. It really is mostly back foot, just not 100%.
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Post by: Thomas on September 02, 2020, 02:43:55 AM
FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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Post by: rocklobster on September 02, 2020, 07:41:25 AM
FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjH2iPexxY

This video helped me get the pinch on my FS Crooks, don't get lazy with the pop so you get high enough above the ledge to slot your truck in. Stick your foot in the pocket between the nose and bolts, keeping that pressure on. Speed also helps loads.
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Post by: Thomas on September 03, 2020, 01:17:55 AM
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FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjH2iPexxY

This video helped me get the pinch on my FS Crooks, don't get lazy with the pop so you get high enough above the ledge to slot your truck in. Stick your foot in the pocket between the nose and bolts, keeping that pressure on. Speed also helps loads.

I got some decent ones yesterday and the feeling was amazing.
I'm still doing most of them to fakie.

I need to improve a lot, but a few weeks ago this was completely impossible to even thinking about it so I guess I'm on the right way. Thanks for the video, it will hep a lot !
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Post by: rocklobster on September 03, 2020, 01:59:01 AM
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FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjH2iPexxY

This video helped me get the pinch on my FS Crooks, don't get lazy with the pop so you get high enough above the ledge to slot your truck in. Stick your foot in the pocket between the nose and bolts, keeping that pressure on. Speed also helps loads.
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I got some decent ones yesterday and the feeling was amazing.
I'm still doing most of them to fakie.

I need to improve a lot, but a few weeks ago this was completely impossible to even thinking about it so I guess I'm on the right way. Thanks for the video, it will hep a lot !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT7Igmn7TI

James Craig's got a really solid pinch on his trick, his explanation of where you push your truck and pressure in with your foot was really helpful to me.

My bucket list is getting longer throughout the week:
270 out of noseslides
FS 1/2 Cab Noseslide
BS 5-0 (lost this trick, dammit)
FS Tailslides (lost this trick too)
BS 180 Nosegrinds
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 03, 2020, 02:18:45 AM
FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...

People who can only come fakie out of f/s noseslides usually have the bad habit of turning and leaning into the trick, so in the end what they're really doing is backside 180 with some ledge assist. For straight front nose you barely even use your shoulders (you'll be looking over them anyway), you approach the obstacle parallel and just extend those legs, it's really mostly your hips doing the work in a way really similar to a shifty ollie with a pause. Now I don't really do frontside crooked grinds but the few times I've bothered with that trick coming out of it felt really similar to coming out of front nose regs, the motion feels similar regardless of whether or not your truck is on, you just bring the hips back.
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Post by: Thomas on September 04, 2020, 07:29:10 AM
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FS crooks, and poping regular out of fs noseslide...
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People who can only come fakie out of f/s noseslides usually have the bad habit of turning and leaning into the trick, so in the end what they're really doing is backside 180 with some ledge assist. For straight front nose you barely even use your shoulders (you'll be looking over them anyway), you approach the obstacle parallel and just extend those legs, it's really mostly your hips doing the work in a way really similar to a shifty ollie with a pause. Now I don't really do frontside crooked grinds but the few times I've bothered with that trick coming out of it felt really similar to coming out of front nose regs, the motion feels similar regardless of whether or not your truck is on, you just bring the hips back.

That is exactly what I do, and for now this is the only way I got them to slide for a long distance.
Thanks for the tips though, I'm working on those two tricks because as you said I think I will eventually unlock them both.
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Post by: silhouette on September 05, 2020, 02:45:19 AM
Yeah my pleasure, I think one thing I forgot to emphasize is your shoulders are what's going to make the difference, for front nose fakie you'll be kinda tucking your leading arm in to accompany the rotation whereas for straight front nose you'll keep your upper body in its original axis a bit more, which is why thinking of it as a shifty sort of trick works (even if you can't do actually shifties, just the motion and basic principle). Thinking about it, that's also exactly the thought that helped me break out of the habit of coming out of sw crooks regs a while back - convince yourself it's a straight trick and there is no rotation/180, so you pop straight (coming at a slight angle or not), then just your lower body guides the board into the position and that's it.
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Post by: chpsk8 on September 05, 2020, 07:46:59 PM
ollieing the hip of a pyramid. Can't seem to get it.
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Post by: Esmith5488 on September 05, 2020, 08:18:06 PM
Working on tricks out of manuals, I get shuvits to spin but haven’t been able to catch them. What’s the secret to doing tricks out.
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Post by: silhouette on September 05, 2020, 08:33:39 PM
Working on tricks out of manuals, I get shuvits to spin but haven’t been able to catch them. What’s the secret to doing tricks out.

The more you'll focus on the shove-it the more the board is likely to get away from you. Noticed that just the other day while trying to teach a local kid f/s shove out of manny, he was really trying hard for the rotation at first then suddenly got a lot better after I told him to just pop straight down. Practice ollies out of manny for a bit, I'd say, those are really fun (in addition to being the proper way of doing the trick, it's just a continuation of the motion IMO), will get you into the right habits and open a lot of doors.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on September 05, 2020, 08:37:23 PM
Fakie big spin flips. I'm old. I know fakie big spins are illegal but I've been doing them for over 30 years and I can do half-cab flips. I've seen Chico do the fakie big spin flip and I think its achievable for this mid-40s asshole.
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Post by: silhouette on September 05, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Fakie big spin flips. I'm old. I know fakie big spins are illegal but I've been doing them for over 30 years and I can do half-cab flips. I've seen Chico do the fakie big spin flip and I think its achievable for this mid-40s asshole.

Fakie big flips are sick, I keep doing them because of PJ Ladd. Think of them as halfcab varial flips if you can varial kickflip and you're golden. Honestly halfcab flips might actually be harder to control, so you've got this.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on September 05, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
I appreciate the encouragement and tips!
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Post by: switchfrontshuv on September 05, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
- nollie fs shuv manual
I can get em on super short Manny pads (like under 4 feet) but ive been trying em at a skatepark and theyre fucking hard
- fs flips off stuff
scary
- popping out of crooks
either happens and feels amazing or doesnt
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Post by: Sila on September 06, 2020, 02:01:45 AM
Fs and switch fs big spins.

I'm off flip tricks for the moment so want to work on my big spin game.
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Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 07, 2020, 03:55:42 AM
kinda wanna do this, checked it out the other day bit bigger than expected

(https://i.imgur.com/20U9nFj.gif)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 01:13:32 AM
1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 01:27:48 AM
1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.

should be fine if you just turn more and pop a bit higher, its pretty mechanically similar to half cab noses.
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Post by: silhouette on September 08, 2020, 02:54:00 AM
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1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.
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should be fine if you just turn more and pop a bit higher, its pretty mechanically similar to half cab noses.

I find that both of you guys' impressions are true and complementary of one another, the motion definitely feels very similar to halfcab nose because you're popping off the same tail and turning the same direction to lock into quite the similar position then dismount regs but what rocklobster says is also true, what either makes a halfcab k or turns it into a halfcab nose for me is that very thought that I actually have to get the heel on my front foot over the edge of the ledge and sit on it to crush the truck. It's really the same difference as between basic noseslides and crooked grinds except you pop into it differently. Gotta focus on where exactly you want your foot to guide the nose, and maybe on actually getting a proper, leveled out halfcab if you're aiming for k grind (as opposed to how you can just kind of turn into halfcab nose) so that you actually get your front truck up there. Your shoulders should be ahead of the trick too so when you lock into the k grind your upper body already is in its usual k grind position and you can treat the rest of the trick just as such. It's a bit similar to halfcab nosemanny too so one might help you with the other.
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Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 09:41:03 AM
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1/2 Cab Crooked grinds - where should I be looking, how should my feet my popping. 1/2 Cab noseslides are no problem, but it feels like for the crooked grinds I have to huck my front (back?) truck up and above the ledge before pressuring in the truck.
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should be fine if you just turn more and pop a bit higher, its pretty mechanically similar to half cab noses.
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I find that both of you guys' impressions are true and complementary of one another, the motion definitely feels very similar to halfcab nose because you're popping off the same tail and turning the same direction to lock into quite the similar position then dismount regs but what rocklobster says is also true, what either makes a halfcab k or turns it into a halfcab nose for me is that very thought that I actually have to get the heel on my front foot over the edge of the ledge and sit on it to crush the truck. It's really the same difference as between basic noseslides and crooked grinds except you pop into it differently. Gotta focus on where exactly you want your foot to guide the nose, and maybe on actually getting a proper, leveled out halfcab if you're aiming for k grind (as opposed to how you can just kind of turn into halfcab nose) so that you actually get your front truck up there. Your shoulders should be ahead of the trick too so when you lock into the k grind your upper body already is in its usual k grind position and you can treat the rest of the trick just as such. It's a bit similar to halfcab nosemanny too so one might help you with the other.

Knowledge bombs as usual, very shalom. I've been half assing my 1/2 can noseslides and just slapping them on instead of getting a solid pop coupled with baseplate contact. I got a flat ground session tomorrow so I'll use that to work on my neglected fakie tricks.
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Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
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Yeah honestly I'd recommend just working on popping out of noseslides in general because it's a whole lot of fun. I first started learning those because of the classic Rob Welsh clips of course but also because of Lui Araki and Dom Henry who have insane ones (Dom can even do noseslide melons as a joke) and once you start doing them like that you can't go back. That's also easier to do from slappy because of how the momentum works. Then once you've figured out the timing (even if it's on small pop outs) I reckon it should be easy to spin an extra 270 (or 180 then 90 degrees of revert if you're short on air time) whichever your preferred way is. What I was saying about halfcab noseslides ideally working just like noseslides also applies here so once you know how to do it you can also replicate the motion out of those and then I guess go with the flow if you feel like adding rotations.

I think for a bit I had better frontside 360 nollies than I had frontside 180 nollies, the key for those is to nest your feet real deep in the concave and then you just use the big toe on your front foot to pop into the rotation. I feel like nollie 180's work just a little bit differently because you can't use as much momentum on the jump so you really have to focus on getting a good nollie motion instead, 360's you can just throw around. Actually I just remembered the first flatground 360 nollie I ever got on film in a line (back in like 2003) was essentially a 360 shove-it with a 360 body varial and no feet touching, haha.
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Wish I had Noseslide pop-outs like Wu-Welsh, the one he did in Beware of the Flare is beautiful. Makes an easy trick look so much more stylish. Is the secret to it like popping a Nollie out the end?

one thing that helps is when you get into the noseslide try get your back foot a little more in the middle of the board rather than on the back bolts or wherever they usually are, helps with giving ur back foot some room to slide like a nollie.
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Post by: silhouette on September 08, 2020, 11:42:57 AM
Knowledge bombs as usual, very shalom. I've been half assing my 1/2 can noseslides and just slapping them on instead of getting a solid pop coupled with baseplate contact. I got a flat ground session tomorrow so I'll use that to work on my neglected fakie tricks.

My pleasure, I'm not certain you even need to work on your halfcab nose for halfcab k because thinking halfcab nose for halfcab k is the best way to end up locking in with your weight off the side of the ledge as opposed to well on top (which is what you want to do like a normal k grind), if anything it may actually good that you're used to the lazy ones because it'll help you differentiate both tricks, you can't really be lazy on the pop of halfcab k as you want your front truck to actually clear the top so it should feel like something new. I think your best bet is to just think of it as a normal crooked grind that you're rolling up to weird, and the halfcab is just what happens to be what you do to rectify your stance upon entry. Also you shouldn't be scared to commit because not much can go wrong with that trick in my opinion, if you miss the edge on the crooked grind it's easy to just run out of the trick.
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Post by: Allen. on September 08, 2020, 03:24:46 PM
Trying to regain muscle memory / confidence on tricks I had but let go. It's tough.
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Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 05:57:51 PM
Been trying switch flips for months now and am so ridiculously close. I just can’t put both feet on for the life of me. Only one or the other. It’s making me want to pull my hair out at this point. I’m otherwise pretty good at switch so I always thought it would’ve came way easier. Starting to lose hope

This was me around the start of lockdown. Decent at switch in general, but couldn't get close to switch/nollie flips for shit. Tried for years and thought it was a lost cause. Eventually it just clicked a bit, and lots of repetition after that. Now I've got switch and nollie flips most tries, sometimes still hit or miss, can be floppy, but enough to do into switch backside 5050/5-0 on small ledges on a good day.

What really helped me was making sure to flick out as properly as possible, and getting comfortable with landing upside down with both feet over. If you can do that, its just a matter of jumping a little higher or flicking a little harder. If its any incentive, if your switch/nollie 180s are good and you have other harder switch flip tricks, you'll probably figure out variations pretty quick afterwards too, nollie fs flip, sw bs, sw fs etc.
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Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
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Knowledge bombs as usual, very shalom. I've been half assing my 1/2 can noseslides and just slapping them on instead of getting a solid pop coupled with baseplate contact. I got a flat ground session tomorrow so I'll use that to work on my neglected fakie tricks.
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My pleasure, I'm not certain you even need to work on your halfcab nose for halfcab k because thinking halfcab nose for halfcab k is the best way to end up locking in with your weight off the side of the ledge as opposed to well on top (which is what you want to do like a normal k grind), if anything it may actually good that you're used to the lazy ones because it'll help you differentiate both tricks, you can't really be lazy on the pop of halfcab k as you want your front truck to actually clear the top so it should feel like something new. I think your best bet is to just think of it as a normal crooked grind that you're rolling up to weird, and the halfcab is just what happens to be what you do to rectify your stance upon entry. Also you shouldn't be scared to commit because not much can go wrong with that trick in my opinion, if you miss the edge on the crooked grind it's easy to just run out of the trick.

Reading this was making me cross eyed but I get what you mean. Rolling fakie into tricks is a mindfuck for me, but what's helped is just trusting my pop so I can focus on the rotation and lock. The muscle memory of the pop is already there, so I have the mental capacity to focus on the rest of the stuff. Unlike Nollie stuff where my pop and rotation is less ingrained into my muscles, so I get a mental and physical overload, if that make sense.

And they are a safe-ish trick, I think the hardest part will be make sure I pop high enough and lean back far enough so I don't slam and stick.
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Post by: silhouette on September 09, 2020, 01:52:11 PM
Reading this was making me cross eyed but I get what you mean. Rolling fakie into tricks is a mindfuck for me, but what's helped is just trusting my pop so I can focus on the rotation and lock. The muscle memory of the pop is already there, so I have the mental capacity to focus on the rest of the stuff. Unlike Nollie stuff where my pop and rotation is less ingrained into my muscles, so I get a mental and physical overload, if that make sense.

And they are a safe-ish trick, I think the hardest part will be make sure I pop high enough and lean back far enough so I don't slam and stick.

Fakie is the stance I feel the most awkward in too, I've always been a nollie and switch guy but only ever cared so much about fakie tricks, I love them now but it's definitely not my preferred stance. But the key to fakie tricks in general is to persuade yourself that you're doing the trick regular, just with altered momentum that you actually aim to fix when you're doing halfcab tricks. Halfcabs shouldn't be intellectualized as fakie backside ollies as much as they should be thought of a normal ollie but with a translation. That's also why bank skating helps with stances so much, for instance somebody who just can't figure out halfcab flips at first but is familiar with kickflips can just practice doing kickflips while carving backside on a bank (so technically the easier version of backside flips) for a bit and then just replicate the exact same motion on flat to get halfcab flips. Teaches you the proper timing and upper body positioning. Same also applies for nollie/switch and harder tricks, for instance if you can't switch 360 flip but can nollie 360 flip on flat then figuring out switch 360 flips on banks first will help a lot because on inclines those work exactly like nollie 360 flips on flat and then you can piece the missing adjustments together to eventually learn the trick you want. The same way, fakie flips on flat work exactly like kickflip to fakie on banks, etc.

I don't think you can really stick on halfcab k if you can do good crooked grinds, the most common mistake usually results in getting halfcab nose instead (usually shitty ones, sometimes actually really good ones). Sometimes you might even get accidental halfcab nosegrinds. That's kind of why I was saying it's better to just think of the trick as if you're just kickturning into a normal k grind in a way, as that's the position you want to lock into eventually. Focusing on the ollie too much might actually lead you to land slamming down on the nose too hard to grind, when you want a smooth motion. For crooked grinds in general I always found it helpful to really think of them literally as 'pointer grinds' where you pop then point your front truck exactly to where you want to crush it with your front foot, shifting your weight just there; halfcab k is no exception, you spend most of the airtime aiming at the ledge in the correct position, not really about getting enough pop (although you definitely should level out your ollie) and worrying about rotation.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 09, 2020, 07:13:37 PM
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Reading this was making me cross eyed but I get what you mean. Rolling fakie into tricks is a mindfuck for me, but what's helped is just trusting my pop so I can focus on the rotation and lock. The muscle memory of the pop is already there, so I have the mental capacity to focus on the rest of the stuff. Unlike Nollie stuff where my pop and rotation is less ingrained into my muscles, so I get a mental and physical overload, if that make sense.

And they are a safe-ish trick, I think the hardest part will be make sure I pop high enough and lean back far enough so I don't slam and stick.
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Fakie is the stance I feel the most awkward in too, I've always been a nollie and switch guy but only ever cared so much about fakie tricks, I love them now but it's definitely not my preferred stance. But the key to fakie tricks in general is to persuade yourself that you're doing the trick regular, just with altered momentum that you actually aim to fix when you're doing halfcab tricks. Halfcabs shouldn't be intellectualized as fakie backside ollies as much as they should be thought of a normal ollie but with a translation. That's also why bank skating helps with stances so much, for instance somebody who just can't figure out halfcab flips at first but is familiar with kickflips can just practice doing kickflips while carving backside on a bank (so technically the easier version of backside flips) for a bit and then just replicate the exact same motion on flat to get halfcab flips. Teaches you the proper timing and upper body positioning. Same also applies for nollie/switch and harder tricks, for instance if you can't switch 360 flip but can nollie 360 flip on flat then figuring out switch 360 flips on banks first will help a lot because on inclines those work exactly like nollie 360 flips on flat and then you can piece the missing adjustments together to eventually learn the trick you want. The same way, fakie flips on flat work exactly like kickflip to fakie on banks, etc.

This is really interesting, gonna DM you so we can talk more. I was thinking how doing some tricks on a bank is easier than on flat and you're spot on with how the bank works with you to get the desired timing and positioning. I could probably fakie 360 flip in 20 tries but probably not land a regular one in 100 tries, definitely have to revisit that stance when I skate flat.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 10, 2020, 12:40:02 PM
I don't mind DM's at all (although I'm terrible at replying to them) but I think it's better and more constructive if this conversation remains public, that way more people get to read our banter and maybe figure out solutions to problems they also happen to be facing on tricks or in skateboarding in general, and intervene.

Yeah for your 360 flip problem it might be a good idea to practice them on banks to gradually get rid of your preference for fakie but it also sounds like what you're missing is something in your pop/scoop, as that's the only adjustment you really need to make for that trick between regs and fakie, fakie the rotation is going with the momentum so it's better to use it and chill with the pop/scoop, regular you have to scrape the toe-side of the tail and force the board in front of you against the momentum, same difference as between cabs and back 3's. Sounds like you need to find your sweet spot on the pocket of the tail to nest those toes prior to popping those tricks so that they push the board along with your jump and it doesn't just stay behind, and it would unlock a lot of stuff for you. Once you've found it, it all becomes more of a matter of technique than brute force and those tricks become a lot less tiring.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 10, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
I don't mind DM's at all (although I'm terrible at replying to them) but I think it's better and more constructive if this conversation remains public, that way more people get to read our banter and maybe figure out solutions to problems they also happen to be facing on tricks or in skateboarding in general, and intervene.

Yeah for your 360 flip problem it might be a good idea to practice them on banks to gradually get rid of your preference for fakie but it also sounds like what you're missing is something in your pop/scoop, as that's the only adjustment you really need to make for that trick between regs and fakie, fakie the rotation is going with the momentum so it's better to use it and chill with the pop/scoop, regular you have to scrape the toe-side of the tail and force the board in front of you against the momentum, same difference as between cabs and back 3's. Sounds like you need to find your sweet spot on the pocket of the tail to nest those toes prior to popping those tricks so that they push the board along with your jump and it doesn't just stay behind, and it would unlock a lot of stuff for you. Once you've found it, it all becomes more of a matter of technique than brute force and those tricks become a lot less tiring.

I was kicking some BS 360s around yesterday I'm starting to realize the importance of the scoop, or rather scrape. When I think of scoop it like more of a popping motion, but with a scrape you're dragging your foot / board against the ground the help with the motion. Like in the video below you can see Goemann and Mirtain do more of a scoop than a scrape. With Skate Hack it looks like more scrape than scoop. Probably easier when you're first starting out to scrape instead of scoop, scoop gets you the beautiful Gino style ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8dbWKry7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mOFFGFPRtg&ab_channel=RIDEChannel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_nMszLWJIo&ab_channel=SKATEHACKS

I wish I learned these things in my youth but it's starting to feel like I'm unlocking the secrets to these tricks. But fuck Heelflips, always.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 03:51:34 AM
Yeah the scrape is important, not many people are used to that technique anymore after it being out of fashion for a good twenty years (although it kind of came back with the latest late 80's/early 90's revival) but it's a key one specifically for the entire extended family of black sheep tricks that comprises impossibles, step-hops, pressure flips and backside 360's, so good on you for figuring out that concept - generally speaking, figuring out basic principles like this does a lot more wonders than studying skating trick per trick because one you grasp them you open yourself a door to like a dozen of maneuvers instead of just a single one.

I just filmed a backside 360 in a line yesterday and looking at the footage I realized it's very obvious that I literally only scoop them (so in the end I spin them all in the air but barely get any pop), and also that the toes on my back foot dig into the toe-side pocket so much during the pop that it's almost like I pop off the toe-side of the tail only (there's a frame or two where the board is literally sideways then) and that's because I'm focusing mostly on applying the pressure there to get the board to stick to my foot then scrape to guide it the whole way around (and then the upper body being ahead of the rotation is what makes it work).

In general maybe what you need to study is your board's exact pressure points, now pressure flips are weird tricks but maybe trying to at least form a few would help you work on that because for those you literally just scrape and then let go. The key is pressing down on your back foot toes just over the toe-side back wheel to get the board to essentially flop over while you jump straight up (almost all off your back leg) and the effect in the pop is what makes it complete a rotation so you don't land upside down. You might have to teach yourself keep your back foot low for longer than you do on most normal flip tricks to optimally achieve that effect. Then once you've understood that it's a variation of that technique for all these tricks. Probably helps with 360 flips too as on 360 flips all your front foot really does is counter that same pressure with the subtle force of an ankle flick the other way, too (and once you've understood that you can pretty much treat them like modified ollies in a sense that's weird to describe, but makes sense in practice).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 11, 2020, 05:49:03 AM
Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 05:52:28 AM
Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.

Can you do them stephop/no-comply style? Might be a good place to start. I learned backside 360 ollies first myself but remember really grinding for them as you say, and for a while they remained a difficult trick, then I started doing the 360 stephops which are more simple and just getting used to the upper body movement (and maybe also to the back toe action) on that trick somehow also made control on the ollie counterpart a lot easier.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 11, 2020, 08:07:37 AM
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Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
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Can you do them stephop/no-comply style? Might be a good place to start. I learned backside 360 ollies first myself but remember really grinding for them as you say, and for a while they remained a difficult trick, then I started doing the 360 stephops which are more simple and just getting used to the upper body movement (and maybe also to the back toe action) on that trick somehow also made control on the ollie counterpart a lot easier.


Sometimes. Not consistently but starting there might not be a bad idea. I can do them fakie on banks, oddly enough.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ankle_Lift on September 11, 2020, 08:17:56 AM
Does anyone have any tips on rolling into a quarterpipe?

It's one thing I can't commit to. I've heard someone say to think of it like just dropping off a cerb, only bigger.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pedro_mayn on September 11, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
Kicky back tails (should've learned many moons ago, but there we go)

half cab heel nose (also should've learned many moons ago, but there we go)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 11, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
Does anyone have any tips on rolling into a quarterpipe?

It's one thing I can't commit to. I've heard someone say to think of it like just dropping off a cerb, only bigger.

Unfortunately there isn’t really much outside of just going for it, I used to be real scared of straight rolling in for some odd reason, probably the hang up factor. Luckily one of the local parks has some odd combo of round coping that goes to flat, so it was easy to get used to it on the flat section then move it over to the coping.

Maybe just riding up to it and shifting over into tail will help you get over the fear of it. Just straight confidence really, if you hesitate you’re gonna fuck up.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2020, 09:35:28 AM
Yeah the scrape is important, not many people are used to that technique anymore after it being out of fashion for a good twenty years (although it kind of came back with the latest late 80's/early 90's revival) but it's a key one specifically for the entire extended family of black sheep tricks that comprises impossibles, step-hops, pressure flips and backside 360's, so good on you for figuring out that concept - generally speaking, figuring out basic principles like this does a lot more wonders than studying skating trick per trick because one you grasp them you open yourself a door to like a dozen of maneuvers instead of just a single one.

I just filmed a backside 360 in a line yesterday and looking at the footage I realized it's very obvious that I literally only scoop them (so in the end I spin them all in the air but barely get any pop), and also that the toes on my back foot dig into the toe-side pocket so much during the pop that it's almost like I pop off the toe-side of the tail only (there's a frame or two where the board is literally sideways then) and that's because I'm focusing mostly on applying the pressure there to get the board to stick to my foot then scrape to guide it the whole way around (and then the upper body being ahead of the rotation is what makes it work).

In general maybe what you need to study is your board's exact pressure points, now pressure flips are weird tricks but maybe trying to at least form a few would help you work on that because for those you literally just scrape and then let go. The key is pressing down on your back foot toes just over the toe-side back wheel to get the board to essentially flop over while you jump straight up (almost all off your back leg) and the effect in the pop is what makes it complete a rotation so you don't land upside down. You might have to teach yourself keep your back foot low for longer than you do on most normal flip tricks to optimally achieve that effect. Then once you've understood that it's a variation of that technique for all these tricks. Probably helps with 360 flips too as on 360 flips all your front foot really does is counter that same pressure with the subtle force of an ankle flick the other way, too (and once you've understood that you can pretty much treat them like modified ollies in a sense that's weird to describe, but makes sense in practice).

If you can share the link of the  vid with freeze frames that would be great to analyze.

The Ben Degros tricktip about the BS Kickflip really got me thinking and analyzing how I thought tricks worked. I skated with an older dude when I was in my teens and he was all about solid fundamentals. FS Flip is a FS 180 with a kickflip in the middle, same with a BS kickflip. That mindset helped him get really good at both regular and switch stuff but he would struggle with full cabs and  360 flips (it was the hard shove kind not the floaty type); or what I would call finesse tricks. Watching Ben Degros' video helped me visualize my board is a spring / rubber band; you load it up 1 way with pressure and to that pressure you add a slight flick, giving you the 180 kickflip. In the same way a BS / FS 360 is not really an Ollie with a 360 thrown in, even though an ollie is the foundational trick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBs-qwbuSM&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating

It got me thinking about how and when you should scoop your board versus popping and rotating.

https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=88

Like how Jon Allie does his BS Tailslide in this clip has always been interesting to me. Call his trick selection boring but his style is very unique; he has controls his rotations with his hips. With the BS Tailslide it looks all hip rotation, same with his 360s. Arto is another one with with a unique BS Lipslide.

(Fuck I rambled but it's Friday night so read it if you want)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
If you can share the link of the  vid with freeze frames that would be great to analyze.

The Ben Degros tricktip about the BS Kickflip really got me thinking and analyzing how I thought tricks worked. I skated with an older dude when I was in my teens and he was all about solid fundamentals. FS Flip is a FS 180 with a kickflip in the middle, same with a BS kickflip. That mindset helped him get really good at both regular and switch stuff but he would struggle with full cabs and  360 flips (it was the hard shove kind not the floaty type); or what I would call finesse tricks. Watching Ben Degros' video helped me visualize my board is a spring / rubber band; you load it up 1 way with pressure and to that pressure you add a slight flick, giving you the 180 kickflip. In the same way a BS / FS 360 is not really an Ollie with a 360 thrown in, even though an ollie is the foundational trick.

I just posted the clip in Post You Skating, it's the second trick here (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10272.msg3388317#msg3388317), if you're on a computer you can pause it, it's not a very good example of the trick though, this one I land on the back wheels which I normally don't do and it's so low the front truck taps the ground but at least you can see the back foot action and how the upper body goes ahead of the trick (and also hear the scrape because of the shit ground). If anything that's a demonstration you don't really need pop as you said and can just whip it around without an actual ollie.

Part I put in bold is totally the right idea, when it comes down to it it's all really basic physics and I'm regularly baffled by how many skaters insist on repeating the same mistakes on tricks over and over expecting different results instead of just considering that.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2020, 10:08:48 AM
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If you can share the link of the  vid with freeze frames that would be great to analyze.

The Ben Degros tricktip about the BS Kickflip really got me thinking and analyzing how I thought tricks worked. I skated with an older dude when I was in my teens and he was all about solid fundamentals. FS Flip is a FS 180 with a kickflip in the middle, same with a BS kickflip. That mindset helped him get really good at both regular and switch stuff but he would struggle with full cabs and  360 flips (it was the hard shove kind not the floaty type); or what I would call finesse tricks. Watching Ben Degros' video helped me visualize my board is a spring / rubber band; you load it up 1 way with pressure and to that pressure you add a slight flick, giving you the 180 kickflip. In the same way a BS / FS 360 is not really an Ollie with a 360 thrown in, even though an ollie is the foundational trick.
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I just posted the clip in Post You Skating, it's the second trick here (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10272.msg3388317#msg3388317), if you're on a computer you can pause it, it's not a very good example of the trick though, this one I land on the back wheels which I normally don't do and it's so low the front truck taps the ground but at least you can see the back foot action and how the upper body goes ahead of the trick (and also hear the scrape because of the shit ground). If anything that's a demonstration you don't really need pop as you said and can just whip it around without an actual ollie.

Part I put in bold is totally the right idea, when it comes down to it it's all really basic physics and I'm regularly baffled by how many skaters insist on repeating the same mistakes on tricks over and over expecting different results instead of just considering that.

I think we fetish-ize the grind and hard work that goes into a trick. Yes it is rewarding to land it after months of attempts but I would much rather be efficient with my limited board time to learn and improve, instead of showing how dedicated I am to suffering. I spent years not getting FS Tailslides, so much frustration, wasted boards and shoes. I really wish someone had broken down the secret of the trick so I would be 10-20% closer to figuring it out myself.

Pro trick tip videos are hit and miss as well. Occasionally you have a pro who can explain the fundamental and share the secret sauce. Other times you have Willy Santos trick tips videos; love the skater but his videos were dogshit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 11, 2020, 10:47:04 AM
Yeah I get you, but honestly as beautiful as it may be, that mystification of the difficult process of learning a trick is usually the greatest barrier to progress too. In addition to the person developing technical ability and precision on the practical side, on a mental level one's skateboarding progression I find to be directly linked to their idea of self-worth; people who generally don't believe in themselves and underestimate their latent abilities will be less ambitious when it comes to not just 'getting the job done' but also to the scope and scale of said job. Which means they'll only ever try the most popularly known basic tricks they think is all is in their reach, and even on those they subconsciously micromanage every step. In a sense I also appreciate that because it usually helps shape unique style; it's just pretty crazy to realize most people only ever try what they imagine they can do. Breaking away from such expectations of the self and embracing the idea that maybe your limits are much higher than what you think they are (beyond your own current comprehension) is actually very liberating; as soon as you stop thinking of skateboarding as complicated and strip it down of all the mystique and your approach to it of your own insecurities, it becomes a lot easier. In reality, like I was saying it's basic physics so besides a lack of practice and coordination, and of course the occasional random element inherent to street skating, there's no arbitrary reason for anyone to ever keep missing tricks but whatever's going on in their heads. If you want a new trick that's accessible because you have the technique down then there's just no reason not to do it.

That being said, willpower is another thing. Recently I've come to the realization that a lot of skaters bail tricks because subconsciously they actually enjoy bailing tricks. Even filming missions are essentially over when the skater really decides it's over. Sometimes the process of trying something and the experimentation is more fun than focusing and landing the trick right away; sometimes it's a vortex of madness because the skater's head is polluted with negativity somehow that's enough not to make them really want to land the trick (could be something as simple as subconsciously worrying over their style or fit). But in a lot of these cases, if they had the physical practice, mental strength and landing the trick first try really was the only thing on their mind, they probably could.

Talk about ranting on a Friday night!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: themanwhomakes on September 11, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
I’m not a big poster but i have enjoyed reading your back and forth more than anything i’ve read on this site since march. Rant away haha. You give good skating and good life advice silhouette.

Rocklobster...Care to share the secret to FS tails? FS 5-0 has always been a go to, but actually popping into and sliding fs tail makes no sense. I always do a crooked 5-0, so i try to spin more into the slide and my body doesnt stay with the board. My brain cant vizualize somewhere in between popping and coming into the slide. I’ve done more back tails. Any tips on sliding nose, tail and blunts is always greatly appreciated. I’m determined to start doing these tricks more.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2020, 07:46:45 PM
I’m not a big poster but i have enjoyed reading your back and forth more than anything i’ve read on this site since march. Rant away haha. You give good skating and good life advice silhouette.

Rocklobster...Care to share the secret to FS tails? FS 5-0 has always been a go to, but actually popping into and sliding fs tail makes no sense. I always do a crooked 5-0, so i try to spin more into the slide and my body doesnt stay with the board. My brain cant vizualize somewhere in between popping and coming into the slide. I’ve done more back tails. Any tips on sliding nose, tail and blunts is always greatly appreciated. I’m determined to start doing these tricks more.

My front tails are shit right now. I used to roll up really parallel to the ledge and think of it as a FS 45, split between my front and back foot. I get the lock but barely any slide. Fuck I'm working on the right now at the park. But slight angle plus winding your shoulders is a good place to start, not everyone has the finesse to do them like Heath Kirchart on the rail in Sight Unseen. I'll reply when I'm in front of my laptop later.

Yeah I get you, but honestly as beautiful as it may be, that mystification of the difficult process of learning a trick is usually the greatest barrier to progress too. In addition to the person developing technical ability and precision on the practical side, on a mental level one's skateboarding progression I find to be directly linked to their idea of self-worth; people who generally don't believe in themselves and underestimate their latent abilities will be less ambitious when it comes to not just 'getting the job done' but also to the scope and scale of said job. Which means they'll only ever try the most popularly known basic tricks they think is all is in their reach, and even on those they subconsciously micromanage every step. In a sense I also appreciate that because it usually helps shape unique style; it's just pretty crazy to realize most people only ever try what they imagine they can do. Breaking away from such expectations of the self and embracing the idea that maybe your limits are much higher than what you think they are (beyond your own current comprehension) is actually very liberating; as soon as you stop thinking of skateboarding as complicated and strip it down of all the mystique and your approach to it of your own insecurities, it becomes a lot easier. In reality, like I was saying it's basic physics so besides a lack of practice and coordination, and of course the occasional random element inherent to street skating, there's no arbitrary reason for anyone to ever keep missing tricks but whatever's going on in their heads. If you want a new trick that's accessible because you have the technique down then there's just no reason not to do it.

That being said, willpower is another thing. Recently I've come to the realization that a lot of skaters bail tricks because subconsciously they actually enjoy bailing tricks. Even filming missions are essentially over when the skater really decides it's over. Sometimes the process of trying something and the experimentation is more fun than focusing and landing the trick right away; sometimes it's a vortex of madness because the skater's head is polluted with negativity somehow that's enough not to make them really want to land the trick (could be something as simple as subconsciously worrying over their style or fit). But in a lot of these cases, if they had the physical practice, mental strength and landing the trick first try really was the only thing on their mind, they probably could.

Talk about ranting on a Friday night!

The mental aspect of skateboarding has always been fascinating to me. All you need if for someone to nudge you in the right direction ("hey you should try this trick") and by trying it you open yourself up to learning and (like you said) learning the physics of the trick. A trick only feel foreign because your body is not using to moving / turning in that direction, enough tries and it will become second nature. 2 weeks ago I though doing FS 1/2 Cab Noseslides was weird and while the motion still feels unnatural, it's become much closer to the realm of possibility. And messing up on that trick had me locking into Fakie BS Nosegrinds (the Josh Kalis) staple, which I never would have though possible.

Over the past few weeks I've been telling myself this simple mantra "the sooner you stop fucking around and commit to just popping the trick, the sooner you can master it and roll away from it". Yeah its fun to kick back and shoot the shit with your mates at the park, but having fun in skateboarding (to me) stems from mastery and overcoming fear or a difficult trick. The sooner I commit, the sooner I land my stuff, the more time I can spend getting better at it or learning new shit. It may sound mechanical and against the spirit of skateboarding, but that is my definition of fun in skateboarding and having a good session. Especially as I get older and hold down an office job, I want to get the most fun out of my session, whatever that may mean to anyone. Fewer 1/2 assed attempts, more full commitments. I've been experiencing a lot of rain in South-East Asia recently usually towards the last 1/3 of my session. The urgency keeps me on my toes.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: UrbanSombrero on September 12, 2020, 05:23:51 PM
A lot of post really speaks to me. I've been going through this mental block the last few weeks and it is really bugging me. My kickflips have gone to shit and all of a sudden I can't BS 5050 anymore. I'm over thinking a lot because I feel like I should be better than I am and I'm being too cautious I think. I'm old and I don't want to hurt myself but I really love this and want to be as good as I think I can be. I've been skating for the better part of 20 years and I've never encountered anything like this. I'm actually writing this post from an urgent care center bed because I slipped out from a half assed BS 5050 attempt and landed straight on my chest. Seems so far nothing is broken. If I was fully commiting and trying to land the trick instead of trying to not fall this wouldn't have happened. I don't know why all of a sudden I'm being a baby about everything instead of just enjoying my time on my board and trying to progress. I've also been skating a ton lately, at least 2 hours a day pretty much everyday for the last 2 years aside from a few months where I rolled my ankle and broke 2 ribs last year. Maybe I'm skating too much and a break will reset my brain, but I start to panic because I feel like I'm going to lose all progress that I've made if I stop skating as much as possible. Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 13, 2020, 09:18:45 AM
A lot of post really speaks to me. I've been going through this mental block the last few weeks and it is really bugging me. My kickflips have gone to shit and all of a sudden I can't BS 5050 anymore. I'm over thinking a lot because I feel like I should be better than I am and I'm being too cautious I think. I'm old and I don't want to hurt myself but I really love this and want to be as good as I think I can be. I've been skating for the better part of 20 years and I've never encountered anything like this. I'm actually writing this post from an urgent care center bed because I slipped out from a half assed BS 5050 attempt and landed straight on my chest. Seems so far nothing is broken. If I was fully commiting and trying to land the trick instead of trying to not fall this wouldn't have happened. I don't know why all of a sudden I'm being a baby about everything instead of just enjoying my time on my board and trying to progress. I've also been skating a ton lately, at least 2 hours a day pretty much everyday for the last 2 years aside from a few months where I rolled my ankle and broke 2 ribs last year. Maybe I'm skating too much and a break will reset my brain, but I start to panic because I feel like I'm going to lose all progress that I've made if I stop skating as much as possible. Sorry for the rant.

Hope you're healing up and for as much as I waxed lyrical on the past few posts, I had 2 pretty mediocre days of skating in a row. Both Saturday and Sunday sessions got rained out within 90 minutes so that definitely didn't help at all. As much as I said about committing to tricks and focusing on rolling away with as few tries, I think that mindset really hurt my sessions today. My deck was starting to razor tail and all the pressure I put on myself was weighing down hard. I have to dial back the intensity; being intense is my response to everything in life. I work hard, not smart which is the opposite I said a few posts ago. I feared losing my FS crooks and settle for a tweaked nosegrind instead of a proper.

I guess the skinny of it is to not (as cliche as it sounds) find that balance that works for you. I thought I could be intense all the time, but I was killing the vibe with my friends who were having a blast kicking around and having a laugh. Need to be reminded that I'm a 30+ year old and just enjoy the session like I would any other sporting endevour.

The park I used to session before lockdown has reopened, I'm definitely going to hit it up a few times a week and skate the tougher park on Saturday / Sunday; it's got higher ledges so I plan to use the weekday sessions to build into the weekend ones.

Have a Shalom weekend friends
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 15, 2020, 03:35:05 AM
As much as I said about committing to tricks and focusing on rolling away with as few tries, I think that mindset really hurt my sessions today.

I think it's because one can't really improvise that mindset, just dictating how your day should be going in advance isn't going to work because by definition skateboarding is something that mercilessly bombards you with different scenarii every single moment in real time (happening on an object moving through irregular space and all), so trying to foresee exactly how your day is going to go is only more mental pollution and a distraction if anything. At least I stopped doing this a while ago and now only skate on days where my physical condition feels right, because that's when I know I'll be at my sharpest to handle all the ruckus and then it's pretty much a guaranteed good session with no expectations. Now skating is so fun I'll occasionally do it on the days I feel wrecked too (e.g.. after binge skating three days in a row on average), but then I'll most likely take it easy and stick to less brutal and/or more consistent maneuvers. Recovering time is important, your body needs it (most skaters underestimate how much they put theirs through absolute shit) and there is such a thing as overtraining in any physical activity, if you're not familiar with the term I'd advise you look it up as grasping the concept basically made me understand why I'd always have on and off days as a kid. In general whenever you're having a bad session, it's important to understand why as to just eliminate the mistakes eventually, and stop clogging your head with whatever considerations might distract from the present moment of purely reading the terrain with your board.

I also get the pleasure of working on tricks super hard, for maybe over my decade of skating I skated anywhere from 3 to 10 hours literally everyday, sheltering myself under whatever shitty place had some kind of roof in case of shit weather just to always be working on new stuff and not losing tricks, but then I grew out of that phase when I realized it was actually counter-productive although fun in its own ways and I was unnecessarily micromanaging things (because I had less self-confidence; in reality if you really don't want your tricks to go away then they won't since every motion you neglect you can always relearn, this anxiety is another source of potential mental pollution in one's skating so such worries are better off jettisoned). So I'm a bit torn on talking shit on obsessively working on technique because that's what I did for a long time and also I guess what enabled me to build a repertoire of tricks and maneuvers big enough for me to have fun with even on days where challenging shit won't work. It may be important to remember that although fundamental, technique in skateboarding is a means but an end.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 15, 2020, 05:58:38 AM
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As much as I said about committing to tricks and focusing on rolling away with as few tries, I think that mindset really hurt my sessions today.
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I think it's because one can't really improvise that mindset, just dictating how your day should be going in advance isn't going to work because by definition skateboarding is something that mercilessly bombards you with different scenarii every single moment in real time (happening on an object moving through irregular space and all), so trying to foresee exactly how your day is going to go is only more mental pollution and a distraction if anything. At least I stopped doing this a while ago and now only skate on days where my physical condition feels right, because that's when I know I'll be at my sharpest to handle all the ruckus and then it's pretty much a guaranteed good session with no expectations. Now skating is so fun I'll occasionally do it on the days I feel wrecked too (e.g.. after binge skating three days in a row on average), but then I'll most likely take it easy and stick to less brutal and/or more consistent maneuvers. Recovering time is important, your body needs it (most skaters underestimate how much they put theirs through absolute shit) and there is such a thing as overtraining in any physical activity, if you're not familiar with the term I'd advise you look it up as grasping the concept basically made me understand why I'd always have on and off days as a kid. In general whenever you're having a bad session, it's important to understand why as to just eliminate the mistakes eventually, and stop clogging your head with whatever considerations might distract from the present moment of purely reading the terrain with your board.

I also get the pleasure of working on tricks super hard, for maybe over my decade of skating I skated anywhere from 3 to 10 hours literally everyday, sheltering myself under whatever shitty place had some kind of roof in case of shit weather just to always be working on new stuff and not losing tricks, but then I grew out of that phase when I realized it was actually counter-productive although fun in its own ways and I was unnecessarily micromanaging things (because I had less self-confidence; in reality if you really don't want your tricks to go away then they won't since every motion you neglect you can always relearn, this anxiety is another source of potential mental pollution in one's skating so such worries are better off jettisoned). So I'm a bit torn on talking shit on obsessively working on technique because that's what I did for a long time and also I guess what enabled me to build a repertoire of tricks and maneuvers big enough for me to have fun with even on days where challenging shit won't work. It may be important to remember that although fundamental, technique in skateboarding is a means but an end.

The frustration of having a bad session stems from me only having my weekends to skate for a combines 6-8 hours, so I feel immense pressure to perform and not lose my tricks on those 2 days. But I'm like that in my daily life too, I'm disciplined to a fault and can't stand to sit around doing nothing, much to my own detriment. I'm uber intense, like when I mean we have to leave the house at 7pm to meet a dinner reservation, I get pissed with my wife if we leave late and have to pay a late fee on the Uber. The park I usually session has reopened after lockdown so I'm planning on going there 1-2 times in the week to keep sharp and limber.

Being older and skateboarding: it gives you the extremes of emotions and pulls you in both directions. You appreciate it more, but the scarcity of time really adds so much pressure on me. I already trying to do 5 days in a row (Wed - Sun), I have a huge scarcity problem but I'll eventually find a happy medium, maybe 1-2 times during the week, go hard on the weekends.

I love skating ledges and rails but I'm going to commit to working on getting a proper looking Ollie. I've been rocketing them my entire life and seeing the other threads about old guys working on them made me think I should really practice what I preach.

Spending hours working on a trick has put me in a dark place mentally which feel so stupid and trivial. I think back on all the negative things my mom said, discouraging me from skateboarding when I was 14, telling me I'm too uncoordinated to do it well. Those same thoughts get to me even as a 34-year old adult, despite us talking over it too. Got to remind myself that I'm not 14 and I'm doing this for fun.

That said, the feeling of landing a new trick still has that same rush even 20 years later. I like the phrase mental pollution, got to keep those bad jujus out of your head and enjoy the session.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 15, 2020, 06:55:04 AM
I get the time constraint being one of those subconscious restrictions that end up kind of fucking with your head, I remember being in a similar zone back when I was a law student, I had to scrape by in order to find just a couple of hours a week to skate and looking back it might have not been a coincidence that I was also trying to make every session count (for a while those times were the apex of my tech shit). I'm of the kind that just can't stand around and do nothing too but in reality if you're looking for productivity/progression it can actually be beneficial to 'slow down' on off days because getting frustrated is just you bonking your head against your own limitations instead of deciphering them. Slowing down doesn't necessarily mean slacking, I just see it as working on different areas of skating. For instance on days where I have low energy or my body is generally tired, I'll just mess around with simple stuff on flat without exerting myself and get better at that. Or some other days I'll just skate nothing but a flat bank and see how many of my 'classics' and which ones I can do that day and indirectly I always get better at them. Even just cruising around the street you always keep getting more experience in navigation around obstacles and people, every single little curb you ollie you're still refining your timing. There's no such thing as an unproductive session if you're really trying to micromanage your skating because every second spent on the board is literally practice. Then it's all up you optimize that practice time and usually unless you're going for something new, then long trick battles are counterproductive (especially if it's a trick you swear you can do easily on a different day; if the trick is in you and something else feels wrong that day then there's no point in cramming more parasite movement into your usual execution of the trick by insisting like a mad man). Tl;dr it's better to embrace your condition and limitations of the day and work with them to have a fun session instead of struggling against them. I actually got exponentially better at skating as soon as I stopped worrying over everything I couldn't do on certain days and instead started spending them focused on doing what I could actually do, because in reality something that suddenly feels wrong one day might suddenly feel right again the next, so obsessing over it is only distracting you from what your board is saying you should be doing now.

Also I find new tricks only feel all the more amazing getting older. Every single one is even more of a gift from the heavens.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 15, 2020, 08:46:35 AM
I get the time constraint being one of those subconscious restrictions that end up kind of fucking with your head, I remember being in a similar zone back when I was a law student, I had to scrape by in order to find just a couple of hours a week to skate and looking back it might have not been a coincidence that I was also trying to make every session count (for a while those times were the apex of my tech shit). I'm of the kind that just can't stand around and do nothing too but in reality if you're looking for productivity/progression it can actually be beneficial to 'slow down' on off days because getting frustrated is just you bonking your head against your own limitations instead of deciphering them. Slowing down doesn't necessarily mean slacking, I just see it as working on different areas of skating. For instance on days where I have low energy or my body is generally tired, I'll just mess around with simple stuff on flat without exerting myself and get better at that. Or some other days I'll just skate nothing but a flat bank and see how many of my 'classics' and which ones I can do that day and indirectly I always get better at them. Even just cruising around the street you always keep getting more experience in navigation around obstacles and people, every single little curb you ollie you're still refining your timing. There's no such thing as an unproductive session if you're really trying to micromanage your skating because every second spent on the board is literally practice. Then it's all up you optimize that practice time and usually unless you're going for something new, then long trick battles are counterproductive (especially if it's a trick you swear you can do easily on a different day; if the trick is in you and something else feels wrong that day then there's no point in cramming more parasite movement into your usual execution of the trick by insisting like a mad man). Tl;dr it's better to embrace your condition and limitations of the day and work with them to have a fun session instead of struggling against them. I actually got exponentially better at skating as soon as I stopped worrying over everything I couldn't do on certain days and instead started spending them focused on doing what I could actually do, because in reality something that suddenly feels wrong one day might suddenly feel right again the next, so obsessing over it is only distracting you from what your board is saying you should be doing now.

Also I find new tricks only feel all the more amazing getting older. Every single one is even more of a gift from the heavens.

Some sage wisdom right there man, the last 2 pages should be made into a board graphic to remind myself to chill out.

I get really bad tunnel vision and I kick myself when the stuff I worked on last session isn't clicking today. I really have to be more chill with skateboarding and not let it kill me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Dirty_Dan90 on September 16, 2020, 06:58:44 AM
Recently learned fakie front crooks and it took awhile to get the pinch right but now i can pop out of the metal ledge at my local park. Started to get the flick out but keep landing on the bottom of the deck or missing the flick completely. So hyped on this one even just trying it but its also frustrating thinking about a trick all day at work then spending most of the sesh after work just trying to inch closer to the trick but still no dice. just happy to finally be flipping out of shit, probably one of the most satisfying this to me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 16, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
Fakie BS Nosegrind, the Kalis staple. Backside Tailslides again but the ledge at my local park is low, just below above ankle height.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 16, 2020, 01:13:37 PM
Fakie BS Nosegrind, the Kalis staple. Backside Tailslides again but the ledge at my local park is low, just below above ankle height.

Same thing as I said for the frontside halfcab noseslide, just ollie higher and turn less
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hombreezy on September 16, 2020, 05:16:45 PM
Always sucked at regular backside bigspins. It’s like the only basic regular trick I don’t have on lock at this point. Anyway I skated with my childhood best friend who also got me in to skating and we learned it together today. Super inconsistent and I land awkwardly a lot but I can do it perfect if I land with my shoulders right and jump out a bit. 
Trying to get my shoulders to catch up with the scoop on backside 360
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 16, 2020, 07:46:16 PM
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Fakie BS Nosegrind, the Kalis staple. Backside Tailslides again but the ledge at my local park is low, just below above ankle height.
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Same thing as I said for the frontside halfcab noseslide, just ollie higher and turn less

Yeah was locking in a few by accident while doing 1/2 Cab Frontside Noseslides, same principles.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 16, 2020, 07:52:34 PM
Not sure if it’s this thread but @Gay Imp Sausage Metal  gave a tip on half cab to tail slide. I tried it on the curb I’ve been skating and it made sense. Thank you.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 17, 2020, 06:41:50 AM
Not sure if it’s this thread but @Gay Imp Sausage Metal  gave a tip on half cab to tail slide. I tried it on the curb I’ve been skating and it made sense. Thank you.
I did? Fakie front nose? Such a fun trick on low ledges
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 18, 2020, 09:15:56 AM
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Not sure if it’s this thread but @Gay Imp Sausage Metal  gave a tip on half cab to tail slide. I tried it on the curb I’ve been skating and it made sense. Thank you.
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I did? Fakie front nose? Such a fun trick on low ledges
Yeah it was some weird don’t think about this truck as nollie or something like that. It was confusing a bit.
Went and tried it but realized I could just powerslide and kiss the curb.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tony mugu on September 18, 2020, 04:28:21 PM
hi struggling with nose slides at the moment.

I can lock in and slide a little bit but I always come to a dead stop and I never seem to get the smooth slide most people get. I’ve worked out it’s not a wax issue. I’m wondering if it’s my foot placement as I don’t always land with my whole foot on the nose. I can slappy noseslides a good distance however.

I have the same issue with crooked but I only have learnt those recently so it’s more of a practice thing I think regarding crookeds.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 18, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
hi struggling with nose slides at the moment.

I can lock in and slide a little bit but I always come to a dead stop and I never seem to get the smooth slide most people get. I’ve worked out it’s not a wax issue. I’m wondering if it’s my foot placement as I don’t always land with my whole foot on the nose. I can slappy noseslides a good distance however.

I have the same issue with crooked but I only have learnt those recently so it’s more of a practice thing I think regarding crookeds.

How high is the ledge your sliding on? I hate low ledges for noseslides because I never learned to slappy and always over-pop going into the slide.

It sounds like you are stomping your nose into the ledge rather than riding on top of the ledge. Ideally you want to pop just high enough so your forward momentum is maintained. Popping high will get you on the ledge, it will kill the forward momentum of the board, causing a short slide. Think of it as popping your board so it will hover on top of the ledge, and you turn off at the end in 1 motion to continue your direction of movement.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Vintagebody on September 19, 2020, 01:35:25 AM
Whats the secret to not making the board flip during 360 shuvs/big spins?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 19, 2020, 01:57:31 AM
Whats the secret to not making the board flip during 360 shuvs/big spins?

Don't hang your back toe over the edge of the tail too much, make sure to get as 'flat' of a pop as you can, try to keep your trucks level or slightly heelside leaning. These things help me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: S. on September 19, 2020, 05:52:20 AM
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Whats the secret to not making the board flip during 360 shuvs/big spins?
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Don't hang your back toe over the edge of the tail too much, make sure to get as 'flat' of a pop as you can, try to keep your trucks level or slightly heelside leaning. These things help me.
It helps me when I have my toes pointed forward on my back foot. Even more do then when I do a kuckflip.

I am trying to Properly learn crooked grinds Switch an regular. And to get more consistent on frontside noseslides and switch frontside noseslides. It is my goal to learn proper a proper Fakie Ollie Switch Front nose. I either get stuck and fall out or I slide and slip out, hence I went back to learn proper switch frontside nose slides.

When I was young I would just force Tricks by trying them till I got them and then move one. I want to be able to feel and control my tricks better now. I figure an Andy Anderson approach to skating is better for longevity than the all will no skill kind of approach. I do miss Just going for broke sometimes, but whenever I do I get hurt more often than not...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: VHS ERA on September 19, 2020, 06:26:12 AM
if anyone’s got advice on

fakie crooks or fakie tails - can work it out on curbs but I lose the board when I have to pop higher onto ledges. End up standing in stance on the ledge with no board. Also even on curbs for fakie tailslide I struggle to find the balance between slipping out on to my face and leaning too far back so it sticks.

fakie manuals- any trick to these? My reg manual and nose mannys are fine but my balance on fakie is trash and getting pitched is scary.



Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Brguy on September 20, 2020, 11:37:35 PM
As soon as I start skating again (probably not too long, foot feeling fine) I want to start getting long 50-50s with decent speed at a small round rail so I can do it at a bigger one in the streets.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on September 24, 2020, 11:00:55 AM
Noseslide to krooked - no slappy tho.

Watched the Mike York trick tip - it really helped!!

Almost got one last night, but I couldnt seem to pop out of the krook, and i couldnt seem to fakie it either.

Next sesh. Funny tho, tried that trick earlier this year, but wasnt approaching it the right way.

Fun as hell tho. Last time I did one of those was like 94 - 26 years ago!!

Good times!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Damoforce on September 26, 2020, 05:07:57 AM
Trying to learn to kickflip, that old chestnut. It keeps landing 45 degrees in front of me backside.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on September 26, 2020, 11:26:08 AM
front shove back 50. Did a couple stationary on a small ledge the other day. Rolling into it feels like it is a whole dif game though.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Featherdale wildlife park on October 06, 2020, 05:36:12 AM
Life
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Post by: Lowcalcium on October 10, 2020, 09:32:07 AM
Bodyjar 900
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Post by: Sluggloaph on October 10, 2020, 04:59:32 PM
if anyone’s got advice on

fakie crooks or fakie tails - can work it out on curbs but I lose the board when I have to pop higher onto ledges. End up standing in stance on the ledge with no board. Also even on curbs for fakie tailslide I struggle to find the balance between slipping out on to my face and leaning too far back so it sticks.

fakie manuals- any trick to these? My reg manual and nose mannys are fine but my balance on fakie is trash and getting pitched is scary.
I can only so a fakie tail if I shuv into it, which pretty much doesn't count right? Try that naybe, but a fakie manny? Can do boss! Practice like a shadow boxing version, as you brush yet teeth or sum shit. So get used to that muscle group. Then do them as fast as you can. I used to try an "bomb" my cul de sa ina fakie manny. So practice the balance and full speed.
Hope it helps and fakie crooks would be doap, godspeed VHS.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 10, 2020, 06:34:06 PM
fs shuv

i rarely tried them bc whenever i did they'd just get caught on my front foot heel and I'd feel dumb. Last night I had a dream i was doing fs shuv bs 5-0 and i woke up super determined to get them but man i suck at learning flatground
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on October 10, 2020, 10:33:46 PM
fs shuv

i rarely tried them bc whenever i did they'd just get caught on my front foot heel and I'd feel dumb. Last night I had a dream i was doing fs shuv bs 5-0 and i woke up super determined to get them but man i suck at learning flatground

Can you FS No Comply? The motion is really similar and you can even practice the No Comply FS Shove, just don't turn your body. The scooping motion is exactly the same, then just add the jump from the pop and baby you got a stew going.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on October 10, 2020, 11:04:01 PM
You really have to push your board forward....your popping foot is in the pocket you push your foot towards the nose....I'd tinker around with how much you hang your front toes off too....some people it's lots, some a bit less....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on October 11, 2020, 12:46:37 AM
You really have to push your board forward....your popping foot is in the pocket you push your foot towards the nose....I'd tinker around with how much you hang your front toes off too....some people it's lots, some a bit less....

This too, I have my foot hanging off like I would a heelflip. I mean, if heelflips weren't the fucking bane of my existance.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on October 11, 2020, 08:15:45 AM
I just have kinda got them switch now and I have to put my popping foot on the edge of the tail....regs is pocket, it's weird.  On the front foot, I say this because for lots of people the board goes behind them, so maybe not hanging your toes too much counters this....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Bumpovertrash on October 11, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
Front feeble fs 180
Front tail kickflip to fakie
Blunt kickflip to fakie
Proper nose slides . I have no problem doing them on a tall ledge or slappying in on a low one but cant pop into low ledges its dumb
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hyliannightmare on October 11, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
Fakie tail to regular. I have only boards and 50 so it's crazy that a new one has come along
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 19, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
i recently filmed myself doing a kickflip over stuff and realize my shoulders turn so frontside when I land I'm my upper body is literally turned 90 degrees frontside. Whatever I do I can't control my shoulders it's driving me crazy. I need like a straightjacket or something. I've even started practicing it with my arms like straight out facing forward and back and I still turn
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: munchbox on October 20, 2020, 05:03:20 AM
not really a trick but i have been struggling to keep my legs tucked over the board for the "float" effect. any tips to getting that technique down? tired of stomping out everything and breaking boards prematurely
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Yibb-Tstll on October 20, 2020, 02:04:37 PM
Not really a trick also, but I'm really annoyed by the "cigarette-crushing" foot placement I do before popping a trick. It's a bit distracting when I watch back my footage and I kinda focus on it. But after almost 20 years, it's a hard habit to break
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 02:18:46 AM
FS 360 shuvs. Landed a few before but it's a real tough one to get down.
Holy shit talk about a fucked up trick. i think ive met 1 guy who could do them proper. Doing these in a game of skate is an automatic letter
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 02:20:41 AM
i recently filmed myself doing a kickflip over stuff and realize my shoulders turn so frontside when I land I'm my upper body is literally turned 90 degrees frontside. Whatever I do I can't control my shoulders it's driving me crazy. I need like a straightjacket or something. I've even started practicing it with my arms like straight out facing forward and back and I still turn

Have you tried lifting your arms? I had the same exact issue for high pop shuvs and lifting my arms "fixed" it
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 02:45:19 AM
Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.

Im still young and im wondering if losing tricks is tied to aging? Cause whenever i learn a trick i usually get it locked
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on October 23, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
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Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
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Im still young and im wondering if losing tricks is tied to aging? Cause whenever i learn a trick i usually get i locked

From my experience you just tend to lose what you stop practicing in general. Some people skate less with age and lose leg strength and technical ability (or physically wear themselves out), or sometimes when you've been skating for a long time and have learned hundreds of tricks in the past you just specialize in the ones you like the best and slack on the rest (and when you've been skating for an especially long time, you can end up going through different phases of that and eventually most everything more or less sticks in the end). People commonly stress about losing tricks but in reality they shouldn't, if it's something they've done once before there should be no reason why they couldn't replicate it and learn it consistently, it's all about the person's willpower to actually put in the effort vs. sticking to daydreaming about the old days instead.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 08:45:37 AM
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Back 3's are such an enigma to me. I usually have a phase about once a year where I really grind for them and will get away with maybe a couple decent ones, but it never sticks.
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Im still young and im wondering if losing tricks is tied to aging? Cause whenever i learn a trick i usually get i locked
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From my experience you just tend to lose what you stop practicing in general. Some people skate less with age and lose leg strength and technical ability (or physically wear themselves out), or sometimes when you've been skating for a long time and have learned hundreds of tricks in the past you just specialize in the ones you like the best and slack on the rest (and when you've been skating for an especially long time, you can end up going through different phases of that and eventually most everything more or less sticks in the end). People commonly stress about losing tricks but in reality they shouldn't, if it's something they've done once before there should be no reason why they couldn't replicate it and learn it consistently, it's all about the person's willpower to actually put in the effort vs. sticking to daydreaming about the old days instead.

I agree with silhouette that romanticizing about the tricks you could do in your past is rarely helpful. You can get them back but it takes effort and will power. It's also the stuff that you do off your board to stay in shape that help you get your old staples back.

Bad ankles and mob kickflips? Get resistance bands to strengthen the muscles around your ankles, spend a couple of minutes every day flicking to get the motion back.
Joints tightening up and hindering your 180s? Get some stretching or yoga in during the week to remain limber and maintain the range of motion in your hips and pelvis.
Exhausted after 30 minutes of skating? Don't neglect your cardio and go for a run once or twice a week.

Board time is a rarer as you get older. Make an effort to keep your body in shape so that you can be more "productive" during your session. It's fun to kick back with the homies and shoot the breeze, but I want to land stuff too. Skateboarders can be anti-everything, but little steps to keep your body in shape pays big dividends.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: camel filters on October 23, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
I ball my back fist up when doing any trick and am willing to give up 50% of my trick bag just to do stuff with open hands.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 23, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Nollie fs flips. I could use some advice.
I've never landed one on flat to my knowledge.

Everything looks fine. Im mirroring my half cab one exactly but I get much different results.

My head is right my arms are right my foot positioning is fine.

The board always is way too boned to pull back underneath me and I slip out.

 If I stomp on it I'll bust the nose off for sure.

If I do get my sole on the bolts instead of the side of my foot it is because I didn't put my flicking foot back on the board.

My homie said once those are way better than your Fakie ones.

This kinda hurts my feelings but whatever.
I guess it's good to hear any feed back from friends who I respect as skaters or exskaters.

Skaters really.
In my opinion if you got more than 5 years on a board your a skater for life.

But yeah no matter how good the attempt looks it's never better than a make. You know.

I can do nollie fs flip sw nocomply like every try. We all know that's not a real trick if you can't land the first part ever.

Nasty idiot I am
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 23, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
I ball my back fist up when doing any trick and am willing to give up 50% of my trick bag just to do stuff with open hands.

That's might be a tough one. I purposely changed my back hand style a few times. Most recently in 2016 I got this ocd set up for crooks. Front crooks especially. I cannot do front crook with out bringing my back hand up to my face like I'm drinking a beer. Regular crooks I bring my back hand all the way over to my front ear like I'm listening for a yodeler in the valley of ledges or whatever lol

I'm so frickin crazy lol. I have a stupid little rituals that have developed over time to combat things I found displeasing in my skating.

So closed hand I would practice something like this maybe.

Skate with something in hand like idk a worry stone or a bottle cap?

Right when you're about to do a trick if you feel the grip growing drop it on the ground? Do this over and over.

Maybe you will take out a scooterer with the worry stone.

That would be cool.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on October 23, 2020, 01:53:48 PM
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I ball my back fist up when doing any trick and am willing to give up 50% of my trick bag just to do stuff with open hands.
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That's might be a tough one. I purposely changed my back hand style a few times. Most recently in 2016 I got this ocd set up for crooks. Front crooks especially. I cannot do front crook with out bringing my back hand up to my face like I'm drinking a beer. Regular crooks I bring my back hand all the way over to my front ear like I'm listening for a yodeler in the valley of ledges or whatever lol

I'm so frickin crazy lol. I have a stupid little rituals that have developed over time to combat things I found displeasing in my skating.

So closed hand I would practice something like this maybe.

Skate with something in hand like idk a worry stone or a bottle cap?

Right when you're about to do a trick if you feel the grip growing drop it on the ground? Do this over and over.

Maybe you will take out a scooterer with the worry stone.

That would be cool.

Don’t we all have little stupid rituals :P Reynolds has arguably some of the strangest habits before dropping hammers and honestly if it helps you skate better who cares.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dallou on October 23, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
switch frontside 360
frontside 360
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on October 25, 2020, 07:50:54 AM
My brain just shuts down on kickflips at full cruising speed and it’s driving me crazy. I’ve got them comfortably every step of the way until I give one last push and everything stops working. I’ve just gotta fight through it and keep trying but damn.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on October 29, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
fs smith on ledge
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FatGuy92 on November 05, 2020, 10:41:32 PM
This is going to sound ridiculous but I can't backside noseslide at all. Been trying to learn them on curbs but when I lock in, I just rotate on my nose and come out fakie without sliding. I can fs noseslide and bs/fs boardslide so not sure why this one is throwing me off so much. Any tips?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on November 06, 2020, 02:24:50 AM
This is going to sound ridiculous but I can't backside noseslide at all. Been trying to learn them on curbs but when I lock in, I just rotate on my nose and come out fakie without sliding. I can fs noseslide and bs/fs boardslide so not sure why this one is throwing me off so much. Any tips?

Turn less than 90 when going in, and dont turn your shoulders at all, just lower body.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: johnes on November 06, 2020, 07:19:58 AM
Front nose grind shuv
I’ve tried about 5 hours total.
Got close a handful of times but still haven’t put it down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dallou on November 12, 2020, 06:17:08 AM
I am trying to get quick feet , it's frustrating but fun and I know it will be worth it in the end.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 12, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
@johnes you trying the shove out frontside too or backside? Backside I find is really easy, barely different from doing it out of nosewheelie. Frontside is harder because the board has to go over the top of the ledge and that's harder to control unless you do it at the end of the obstacle.

@dallou the best way to get quicker feet is to cruise around a lot and ollie every other small thing, I think that's the best and most fun way to learn how to spontaneously react to stuff coming up every second and pick it up real quickly.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Stu Pickles on November 12, 2020, 02:52:29 PM
fs crooks and backside 5050 popout fs 180

got pretty damn close to sticking some fs crooks in todays sesh, turned out just going fast made it way easier for me.

the second trick was giving me a lot of trouble. felt really awkward and struggled to get the fs rotation. super easy when doing it off the end of a ledge but once you are trying to move off the ledge and spin the other way i just couldnt get it to feel right. now that im back home I feel that speed would help solve that and opening up the shoulders more while still in the grind. one of those tricks that seems way easier in your head than in practice

also perpetually stumped by 360 flips. got a few good ones a couple weeks back but lost em and struggle to keep the board under me but i can get the flip no problem
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 12, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
fs crooks and backside 5050 popout fs 180

also perpetually stumped by 360 flips. got a few good ones a couple weeks back but lost em and struggle to keep the board under me but i can get the flip no problem

Same, hit and miss for me. Got to re-learn the muscle memory every time I try it, gets progressively better longer into the session.

If anyone knows the secret sauce for FS Feeble grinds on rails, I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 13, 2020, 09:09:22 AM
Nollie fs flips. I could use some advice.
I've never landed one on flat to my knowledge.

Everything looks fine. Im mirroring my half cab one exactly but I get much different results.

My head is right my arms are right my foot positioning is fine.

The board always is way too boned to pull back underneath me and I slip out.

 If I stomp on it I'll bust the nose off for sure.

If I do get my sole on the bolts instead of the side of my foot it is because I didn't put my flicking foot back on the board.

My homie said once those are way better than your Fakie ones.

This kinda hurts my feelings but whatever.
I guess it's good to hear any feed back from friends who I respect as skaters or exskaters.

Skaters really.
In my opinion if you got more than 5 years on a board your a skater for life.

But yeah no matter how good the attempt looks it's never better than a make. You know.

I can do nollie fs flip sw nocomply like every try. We all know that's not a real trick if you can't land the first part ever.

Nasty idiot I am

I’m not good at them but when I land a few I notice that I look back slightly kinda like you would on a fakie one. You said your mirroring your fakie one not sure if your doing that part of not give it a try.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dallou on November 13, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
@johnes you trying the shove out frontside too or backside? Backside I find is really easy, barely different from doing it out of nosewheelie. Frontside is harder because the board has to go over the top of the ledge and that's harder to control unless you do it at the end of the obstacle.

@dallou the best way to get quicker feet is to cruise around a lot and ollie every other small thing, I think that's the best and most fun way to learn how to spontaneously react to stuff coming up every second and pick it up real quickly.

Yes, thank you for the tip !
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on November 14, 2020, 02:44:51 PM
Not a trick more of a technique I’m trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. I’m wondering if it is because I’m short that I don’t have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on November 15, 2020, 01:09:44 PM
Not a trick more of a technique I’m trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. I’m wondering if it is because I’m short that I don’t have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.

There's a clip from on instagram that kalis posted recently. Someone filmed him doing a treflip from an angle where you can see his foot position quite well. What helped me pop them higher was putting my front foot more in the middle of the board the way that he does in that clip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: KushBush on November 15, 2020, 06:19:50 PM
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Not a trick more of a technique I’m trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. I’m wondering if it is because I’m short that I don’t have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.
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There's a clip from on instagram that kalis posted recently. Someone filmed him doing a treflip from an angle where you can see his foot position quite well. What helped me pop them higher was putting my front foot more in the middle of the board the way that he does in that clip

Thanks man! Just checked out his Instagram and I see what you mean by the front foot near the middle. Looking at mine, I always tend to have my front foot close to my back foot. So commence the unlearning process! I’ll give it a go.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Josepsh on November 15, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
working on 5-0s. No matter what I do I can't get my weight distribution right :/
I'm trying too learn kick flips ?. .
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on November 15, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
Trying to learn better technique on flat (just flat ground skating and flat gaps), especially with flip tricks. My kick flips, heels, and even ollies on flat are lower than I'd like, which I think is natural without an object to try to get over, but I want to comfortably yet them higher so I feel more confident trying to go up and over things.

I am tired of stomping stuff out because I'm not giving myself enough height and time to land comfortably. I think I'm either not jumping high enough, not bending my knees enough, or I have poor timing... or a combination of the three. I feel like I'm doin damage to my lower back too coming down so hard on flat ground kick flips lol.

One weird thing that has helped this is actually intentionally leaning forward and lowering my front shoulder... idk what the connection there is but focusing on maintaining forward momentum while I'm going up has added height to my tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 16, 2020, 02:51:59 AM
FS Nosegrind 180 out. Tried them for 2 hours in the blazing heat and only did 3 under-rotates ones. Trick tip videos aren't helpful - use your shoulders to rotate out is not helpful enough. Ideally I want to get a decent length grind before the 180 out but all the trick tips teach the nosebonk version.

Some observations:
- Can't keep my weight centered over my front truck, or maybe it's too centered and not in a position to rotate out?
- I get the best success when I pop low enough to lock in, too high and my tail is too high up, too much weight is on my nose

Where should I be looking before during and after the grind? And if anyone has the word on them, please spread the move.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 16, 2020, 06:09:03 AM
Back powerslide to back tail slappy on curbs, I can lock in fine, so I think I just need to play with them a bit more.

Also, was doing fakie big spin late reverts yesterday (or at least getting very close to theM) so I may as well learn bigger spins right?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 16, 2020, 06:59:25 AM
Back powerslide to back tail slappy on curbs, I can lock in fine, so I think I just need to play with them a bit more.

Also, was doing fakie big spin late reverts yesterday (or at least getting very close to theM) so I may as well learn bigger spins right?


I was trying these frontside recently. I think the curb I was skating was just a hair too short cuz every time I'd get in I'd sorta just stall downward.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 16, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
I can do the frontside version, that’s what sparked me to start learning them backside. You need to go extra fast because the powerslide slows you down a lot, can’t seem to slide them very far though once I’m locked in...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 16, 2020, 02:44:25 PM
I can do the frontside version, that’s what sparked me to start learning them backside. You need to go extra fast because the powerslide slows you down a lot, can’t seem to slide them very far though once I’m locked in...

That got me thinking, I can't really do those noseblunt powerslide things on flat but but if you or anyone else can, I just imagined one into an actual nosebluntslide on a curb would be sick. You'd have to either find the perfect curb size and shape or somehow nudge yourself up there, maybe using the wheel bounce from the 'slappy'.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Glurmpz on November 16, 2020, 03:11:02 PM
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I can do the frontside version, that’s what sparked me to start learning them backside. You need to go extra fast because the powerslide slows you down a lot, can’t seem to slide them very far though once I’m locked in...
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That got me thinking, I can't really do those noseblunt powerslide things on flat but but if you or anyone else can, I just imagined one into an actual nosebluntslide on a curb would be sick. You'd have to either find the perfect curb size and shape or somehow nudge yourself up there, maybe using the wheel bounce from the 'slappy'.

You just reminded me that I used to do something similar for a short period in the early 2000’s and completely forgot about it.
I would go into a nosebluntslide from riding on top of the ledge. So basically, the power slide style but you’re already on top. Tried out of nose manual but never quite got it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sKINGraft on November 17, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
Not a trick more of a technique I’m trying to learn. I have 360 flips every try but I find I flick too much and I dont catch them well. Does anyone have tips to scoop and flip the board fast to catch it when the board reaches its peak height. I’m wondering if it is because I’m short that I don’t have a powerful scoop, because everyone I watch (Kalis, Nate Jones, Jamie platt, etc.) all have a mean tre flip and are tall.

dont scoop it unless you expect to get your height through the helicopter motion your board will do

pop it same as you would any other trick, i find popping your backfoot slightly backwards (reverse of direction of travel) helps to send it upwards AND keep it underneath you

dont forget to jump
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on November 19, 2020, 02:23:01 PM
How the fuck do people learn and keep flatground tricks

I got a pretty good bag of ledge tricks, but my flatground just keeps getting worse and worse. Probably like 4 months ago I had shuvs, bigspin, kickflip, heelflip, and could catch a couple fs flips and get really close to tres. The tricks I had also felt good like I did kf 5050 and kf manual.

Now I lost all of them and it's not for lack of trying just day by day they get worse and worse until it becomes such a challenge to land even one kickflip even though they used to be almost every try. I know so many of my friends who can barely do a 5050 but have a deep ass bag of flatground tricks just from messing around, not even trying hard to learn anything. Whats the secret I don't wanna just only be able to ollie and shuv damnit
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2020, 06:34:54 PM
How the fuck do people learn and keep flatground tricks

I got a pretty good bag of ledge tricks, but my flatground just keeps getting worse and worse. Probably like 4 months ago I had shuvs, bigspin, kickflip, heelflip, and could catch a couple fs flips and get really close to tres. The tricks I had also felt good like I did kf 5050 and kf manual.

Now I lost all of them and it's not for lack of trying just day by day they get worse and worse until it becomes such a challenge to land even one kickflip even though they used to be almost every try. I know so many of my friends who can barely do a 5050 but have a deep ass bag of flatground tricks just from messing around, not even trying hard to learn anything. Whats the secret I don't wanna just only be able to ollie and shuv damnit

Same struggle here, I have all my basic ledge tricks but I suck at flatground. I've given up on heelflips entirely (fuck 'em) and only do kickflip variations. And likewise I've seen kids who have a deep bag of flatground tricks and perfect 360 flips but struggle with 50-50s. A year ago I could only BS Shuv, FS Shuv, FS Flip and Half-Cab Flip; every regular kickflip was a rocket + mob flip. Fast forward today and I've got my staples down, still not deep by any means but more consistent than a year ago. Even added Big Spins, BS Kickflip (10 year struggle), 360 flips and occasionally switch heelflips,

Speaking anecdotally: flatground tricks are finesse tricks, requiring much more precision to get weight distribution, timing, rotation, eye point right. If you're popping at a weird angle or your shoulders aren't aligned the board doesn't cooperate. Grind / slide tricks are much more forgiving in terms of precise motion since you can compensate it with speed and forward momentum. That said a KF BS Tailslide or popping out mid-ledge of a Nosegrind still requires precision, just a different kind.

It's frustrating to have a small bag of flatground tricks and the problem is exacerbated when I'm at the park, neglecting any flatground so I can keep skating the ledge.

I can't do them well
I'll skate other things
My flatground deteriorates
I can't do them well
I'll skate other things
My flatground deteriorates
I can't do them well
I'll skate other things
My flatground deteriorates

It's pop science but flatground works best for me when I'm not overthinking it or trying too hard. I stick to the stuff I know I can land, like a kickflip and correct it from there. Are my shoulders aligned? Am I getting a solid pop? Flicking too late? Dipping my head? Then apply that same line of working through the rest of the flatground tricks bit by bit. @silhouette mentioned it before but Fakie / Nollie variations of tricks can much easier than their regular / switch counterparts, so have fun with those. Also, a little help from a bank can do wonders to giving you the extra height / rotation needed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 20, 2020, 01:03:31 AM
For flatground stuff, understanding the technical aspect in the first place is important but as far as physical practice I'd say sweating it is counterproductive to a degree (unless you're really trying to learn something fucked up hard), in other terms whenever one wants to get specific flatground dialed I've observed that most of the time they're better off regularly throwing the tricks in the middle or at the end of their lines, casually, than singling them out and repeatedly trying them over and over. Once they've figured out how to form a trick, they're really just wasting energy and might even develop bad habits by doing that. Doing stuff in lines makes you really want it in the spur of the moment, whereas repeatedly trying a flatground trick you're barely able to form, your brain will really start tuning off a few unsuccessful attempts into the process.

Also something I never really see people bring up is actually keeping landing tricks throughout a session is important, and it doesn't matter what the tricks are and how simple, frequency on makes count in the flow and vibe of a session. Doing all the shit you have dialed and landing more stuff than you bail in general will keep you in the groove whereas repeatedly failing stuff and spending more time on the ground than rolling around will break it and make everything a lot harder (occasionally sending you into a downwards spiral mentally). If something just doesn't work in a few tries just fuck it, keep going with more lands on other stuff and try again later. Basically the logic behind the THPS special meter is real, regardless of how corny that vulgarization might sound.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sila on November 20, 2020, 01:23:40 AM
Also something I never really see people bring up is actually keeping landing tricks throughout a session is important, and it doesn't matter what the tricks are and how simple, frequency on makes count in the flow and vibe of a session. Doing all the shit you have dialed and landing more stuff than you bail in general will keep you in the groove whereas repeatedly failing stuff and spending more time on the ground than rolling around will break it and make everything a lot harder (occasionally sending you into a downwards spiral mentally). If something just doesn't work in a few tries just fuck it, keep going with more lands on other stuff and try again later. Basically the logic behind the THPS special meter is real, regardless of how corny that vulgarization might sound.

For sure. I think it also helps calm you down and you skate with a lot less tension both physically and psychologically.  Spending a lot of time missing tricks is jarring and you end up nit-picking where you go wrong and spend a lot of the session in a doubtful state of mind.
My old basketball coach would always get me to warm up with easy shots close to the basket or at my favoured "go to" spots for the same reason.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 20, 2020, 10:00:50 AM
Everyone needs encouragement during their sport or activity. In Muay Thai my coaches would smile or exclaim loudly on a solid kick or combination to keep my morale up.
I used to keep trying tricks for hours on end growing up but it really stunted my progress and killed me mentally. These days I'll see how I'm feeling during the session. If things are flowing well I'll push myself to try something new. If not I'll stick to my staples but get them cleaner, faster, longer etc.
Incorporating tricks in a line is a lot of fun too and feels much more natural than hammering 1 trick out for hours. It looks good and feels good.

Got to get that special meter fully charged!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on November 21, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
Totally agree with all that's being said about not forcing the process of learning tricks and making sure to take time to do things you know you can make and have fun doing during a session.

Set out for an early morning session with the end goal of landing a few fakie heels, which give me nightmares because I'm at the point where I land every one in five or so. I'm really close to dialing them in.

Instead of heading right for the flat ground bball court at my local, I warmed up with other shit and skated the ledges... didn't even think about fakie heels. Then I cruised over to the smooth flat and threw about 4 or 5 with no luck, so I went back to skating ledges and having fun. I repeated this a few times and then ended up landing a few in a row on one trip to the flat, which def would not have happened if I stressed over them for an hour straight.

It's all in ya head.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: johnes on December 10, 2020, 08:27:23 PM
@johnes you trying the shove out frontside too or backside? Backside I find is really easy, barely different from doing it out of nosewheelie. Frontside is harder because the board has to go over the top of the ledge and that's harder to control unless you do it at the end of the obstacle.

@dallou the best way to get quicker feet is to cruise around a lot and ollie every other small thing, I think that's the best and most fun way to learn how to spontaneously react to stuff coming up every second and pick it up real quickly.
Backside, it seems like it shouldn’t be hard but I’m really bad at balancing nose grinds and end up doing 5050s 70% of the attempts, I haven’t tried again since I posted about trying to learn it, I actually forgot I had been trying that until just now lol.
Although I got really close to landing one with a frontside nollie shuv, I just happened to feel like my legs wanted to do it on one attempt and I landed with the front foot on and the back foot mostly on the ground but my toe was on and if my back foot had been like 6inches to the left it would have been a super happy accident.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 14, 2020, 04:37:59 AM
Half cab nose slide front 270 out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on December 14, 2020, 05:58:54 AM
Consistent proper kickflips. Also working on heelflips and FS flips but nowhere near landing them atm  >:(
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on December 14, 2020, 08:14:37 AM
Hardflip and switch tre. I have landed these tricks by luck one time each, but I can't do them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 14, 2020, 08:52:40 AM
Slappy tail slides, FS & BS.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 14, 2020, 09:06:23 AM
Trying to get fs flips and switch frontside 3s consistent. Trying to learn switch fs bigspin. I can stick one or two a session but it’s always sketchy and I step off.
Also trying to learn kickflip manuals. I have regular kickflips 1000/1000 and I can Ollie in to manuals really well but trying to put them together is the most frustrating shit. So far I’ve learned how to land on the tail every try but now it’s a weight/ timing thing.

Kickflip manuals - just trust your 'automatic' kickflips up the thing you're trying to manual (kickflips up stuff have always felt a lot different than on flat for me because you're especially focused on clearing the obstacle height and thus a bit less on the trick itself), and treat it like a normal ollie into the manual just with the extra flick somewhere in there, the kickflip really should feel like a natural extension of the motion you're used to with no real afterthought. The worst that can happen on that trick is catching the flip upside down or landing on the tail like you said so you can allow yourself to feel comfortable with that part and not overthink the kickflip at all, that won't cost you to eat shit.

Switch bigspins you need to find the right pop and then they should become really easy in no time if you're already catching and landing on them. Really focus on the switch frontside 180 motion with your upper body as you sort of use the rebound of the tail to send it around over to your other foot for the catch like you're essentially passing a soccer ball to yourself (that's how it tends to feel like). Done right the trick should really feel like a switch frontside 180 (rollaway included) just with that extra little pass in the middle of it.

Switch frontside 360 ollie is a cool trick, much easier than regs. They're all in the shoulders and trusting your weight distribution on the landing (the only mistake one can do here is thinking of the trick as a 360 nollie and landing on the wrong truck, that's all you really need to figure out how to avoid). You should try switch f/s flips if you're into switch frontside tricks, I find them easier than both normal stance frontside flips and straight switch flips (it's actually a fun secret way to get better at switch flips).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 14, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Slappy tail slides, FS & BS.
I'm with you on this one mate!
I can lock into them fine, just need to get my slide going for a bit longer

***
Since I'm obsessed with switch 360 (frontside) power slides, I've started doing switch 270 to front nose bash/ slappy!
I think this could be a really cool trick
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on December 15, 2020, 12:05:51 AM
Manny fs revert to fakie manny. I just want to feel a smiggen of what Daewon feels.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 15, 2020, 12:57:47 AM
Switch fs 360 is one of my favorite tricks. Majority of the time I land in manual or I land dead in my tracks.

Mine usually feel like I'm using my hips for the last quarter of the rotation, as if I'm short on height (and I don't have much pop on that trick, I mostly just scoop it) then that allows me to 'brute force slide' through whatever is left of it on flat (ideally as little as possible) without needing to land on just two wheels, basically when you figure out the right weight distribution the landing comes pretty naturally and you can easily fix whatever's going wrong on that particular attempt by pushing through and it's kind of a blind motion where I rely on my hips and straightened non-popping leg to guide the last part around naturally as my lower body realigns with my upper body. I probably learned them with a revert on just two wheels at first, though, can't remember, either way once you can do that my technique is essentially the same except on all four wheels whenever I miss getting the full 360 in the air (which is a lot, but not always).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on December 15, 2020, 03:27:08 AM
front lip 270 shove, i think it'd work well on this spot

(https://i.imgur.com/SFUeid7.png)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on December 15, 2020, 05:32:37 AM
Half cab nose slide front 270 out.

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1/2 Cab Noseslide 270 out
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This one and its nollie counterpart elude me too even though I do nollie tails and halfcab noses a lot, to the point where I'd be more comfortable trying to pretzel out the other way, but I know exactly why, it's because I don't want to commit to a 360 trick from that position, a lot of the rotation is blindside and it's pretty scary launching yourself off the obstacle that particular way. But if I really wanted to learn them I think I'd focus on the 360 and not the noseslide/tailslide part to the point where locking in would be an afterthought, so my shoulders would be aligned with what I'm actually trying to do. I kind of see it like when people do, say, halfcab k b/s 180 out and it looks like they really just kind of caballerial'd with some nosepick action in the middle. You gotta trust the trick and momentum and dare to shift your weight, which is exactly what I know at least I don't do. Kind of similar to people first learning bigspins and constantly slipping out because they underestimate how much they need to spin and are (again) scared to commit to so much. For nollie tailslide to fakies I literally imagine I'm doing a frontside 180 nollie on flat with an accessory tailslide in the middle, the flow of the motion is everything so I assume one has to approach the boosted version the same way. Also one thing I'm just now realizing that also resonates with that logic is I used to do switch boardslide 270's a lot and those always felt like flatground switch 360 ollies to me where you'd just delay the rotation a tiny bit.

On occasion I do do this shitty trick where I'll land into manual after a halfcab nose by accident and have too much momentum in my upper body so to stay on the board I'll spontaneously revert back to fakie from there, so it's like a halfcab nose 270 on the wrong truck but that's a mistake and not the real thing. That reflex actually happens a lot to me as a 'save' to roll away from ledge tricks I catch myself accidentally landing on the back truck, even simple front boards.

Same trick I'm working on. I'm still not rotating early enough on the exit, like 1/4 second earlier, still feels like I'm cheating by reverting the last 180 after all 4 wheels make contact. What I found helps with the rotation is having the shoulder of your sliding foot (I'm regular, my left foot presses on the nose during the slide) be parallel to the ledge, so you pre-wind your body to make the exit smoother and faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32HEv17pAiU

Matt Bennett doesn't do a good job explaining but pretzling your upper body really helps the lower body with the exit rotation.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 15, 2020, 06:35:44 AM
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Slappy tail slides, FS & BS.
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I'm with you on this one mate!
I can lock into them fine, just need to get my slide going for a bit longer

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Since I'm obsessed with switch 360 (frontside) power slides, I've started doing switch 270 to front nose bash/ slappy!
I think this could be a really cool trick

Yeah, I know we were discussing techniques the other day but I've hardly had any chance to skate. Going to get out for like an hour on my lunch break today and just try and work them out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: finecojeffe on December 15, 2020, 07:47:57 AM
got a few I have to relearn and some new ones I'm trying to work out. Having nerve damage from a back injury means relearning stuff all the time though. The new ones for me are full cab (can do nollie 360 but never just cab), nose bash 180 pretzel way, and half cab flip. Alway been able to half cab heel but never kf for some reason...it's usually a shin basher so I just never commit to it. I also need to relearn just about any ledge trick, even 5050. My legs keep getting the wires crossed and wind up going bolt straight for some reason, i'm talking anything above curb height.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 16, 2020, 09:17:59 AM
Madonnas, I have lien to tails down very well, fingerflip tails too. But somehow I cant stick my foot out.
I can do Beanplant to tails like a madonna, but its different, since you use your front leg to press your weight up the transition. Sticking your foot out mid air just doesn't work for me

I love lien to tails and I've tried madonnas before, I agree the motion is so weird. The only ones I've actually 'landed' (personally I don't count that) have been with a stall on the way down instead of just the cool tail tap thing going with the flow. I think there's something about the front foot barely being even needed for lien to tails, since you're grabbing the board it doesn't have to guide the ollie around and that's what needs to be exploited, so with that in mind, to me getting the foot out that way isn't too hard but then it's mostly getting it back on without the need for a lunch break on the coping with a view. Probably comes with practice.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Quique on December 16, 2020, 02:56:52 PM
Fs nose slide, I'm getting on the ledge but always end with little to no slide and usually fakie out. I gotta man up and sit on my leg but it's kinda scary.

Also varial flips, just figured out today how to properly flick it. They must look gross but a super fun trick to do.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on December 16, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
Fs nose slide, I'm getting on the ledge but always end with little to no slide and usually fakie out. I gotta man up and sit on my leg but it's kinda scary.

Also varial flips, just figured out today how to properly flick it. They must look gross but a super fun trick to do.

Possibly turn less, keep the weight on your toe, dip your front (left if you're regular) shoulder down a bit lower when you get in
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on December 20, 2020, 05:42:57 AM
Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.
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Post by: NG on December 20, 2020, 06:27:55 AM
Bs noseblunts on a very small quarterpipe. I just started thinking of them as a very late back disaster, or a back disaster that I fuck up on and end up landing on top of the coping. Still trying to get them without perching up there for a while but I had always thought these would be way out of reach.

Any tips for smoothing things out and making the pause on top shorter?
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Post by: Paperclip20 on December 22, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.

Stick with what you are doing when the board lands under you wheel side up, then adjust your flicking foot positioning. I only have my toes just barely hanging off the board for mine, but some people will have nearly half their foot hanging.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on December 22, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
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Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.
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Stick with what you are doing when the board lands under you wheel side up, then adjust your flicking foot positioning. I only have my toes just barely hanging off the board for mine, but some people will have nearly half their foot hanging.

Thank you, I had to play with my foot positioning a lot when learning heelflips and for these, I've just been putting my front foot in the same spot as when I heelflip. I'm going to try to see how it feels to adjust it when I'm going for heelflip Shuvs

Not directly related, but has anyone found that opening up your shoulders in the direction you are moving has helped your skating? Lately I've been trying to be really intentional about keeping my shoulders open so my upper body is facing the direction I'm moving before a trick and it has helped with many different tricks. I feel that it really helps with backside ledge tricks, sucking up Ollies to get over things, and staying over/catching flip tricks.

Cyrus Bennett's style is a good example of what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LordManHammer on December 23, 2020, 09:36:12 AM
360 flops I got the scoop down and land on the back foot but it either comes out like a impossible or 360 shuv WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 25, 2020, 02:03:22 AM
360 flops I got the scoop down and land on the back foot but it either comes out like a impossible or 360 shuv WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?!

Front foot placement or flick motion is probably a little off. You're supposed to build tension over the board and then release it in a way that feels like the front foot action is an automatic reaction to the back foot action. Gotta find that sweet spot for both feet and then the right pop for it. If done properly you should fell your front foot lifting the board on its way up, otherwise it means you're missing the flick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 25, 2020, 06:46:05 AM
FS Nosegrind 180 out. Tried them for 2 hours in the blazing heat and only did 3 under-rotates ones. Trick tip videos aren't helpful - use your shoulders to rotate out is not helpful enough. Ideally I want to get a decent length grind before the 180 out but all the trick tips teach the nosebonk version.

Some observations:
- Can't keep my weight centered over my front truck, or maybe it's too centered and not in a position to rotate out?
- I get the best success when I pop low enough to lock in, too high and my tail is too high up, too much weight is on my nose

Where should I be looking before during and after the grind? And if anyone has the word on them, please spread the move.

I always look where I want to land then the pivot point and back. .
I almost always bs nose Grind now. It's just easier. I can still do the fs nose Grind fs 80 but it's always felt not great to me.

I have found it's all about letting your lead arm do the beginning. Then with out dropping it use your back arm to make the pivot.

Under rotation can be slid out if you twist your back foot on it's tippy toes.

I'm like 10 Valiums deep rn. I'll clean this post later
.I can maybe film one this week?
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Post by: LordManHammer on December 25, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
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360 flops I got the scoop down and land on the back foot but it either comes out like a impossible or 360 shuv WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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Front foot placement or flick motion is probably a little off. You're supposed to build tension over the board and then release it in a way that feels like the front foot action is an automatic reaction to the back foot action. Gotta find that sweet spot for both feet and then the right pop for it. If done properly you should fell your front foot lifting the board on its way up, otherwise it means you're missing the flick.
I figured them out from being kinda not hunched but emphasis over the back truck and scoop the back foot like a almost inward kicking your groin flamingo maneuver they look hurt and sketchy but what trick doesn't look whack till later on?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on December 26, 2020, 11:10:46 PM
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Tips on varial heels/heelflip shove its?

Trying to learn them now and 1 of these two things usually happens:

1. I stay over the board but under flip the heelflip, landing on the board wheels up

2. I complete the rotation and flip but the board lands behind me.
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Jam the ball of your foot up against the concave load it up good......then do a front shuv.....it should roll over for yah....

You know how your first learned kickflips or varial flips, you kinda pre-pressure, I still do this with v-heels and it still works...

Stick with what you are doing when the board lands under you wheel side up, then adjust your flicking foot positioning. I only have my toes just barely hanging off the board for mine, but some people will have nearly half their foot hanging.
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Thank you, I had to play with my foot positioning a lot when learning heelflips and for these, I've just been putting my front foot in the same spot as when I heelflip. I'm going to try to see how it feels to adjust it when I'm going for heelflip Shuvs

Not directly related, but has anyone found that opening up your shoulders in the direction you are moving has helped your skating? Lately I've been trying to be really intentional about keeping my shoulders open so my upper body is facing the direction I'm moving before a trick and it has helped with many different tricks. I feel that it really helps with backside ledge tricks, sucking up Ollies to get over things, and staying over/catching flip tricks.

Cyrus Bennett's style is a good example of what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 27, 2020, 12:43:06 AM
Fakie bigger spins, I’m getting better at doing the deconstructed version (fakie big spin to late revert) but can’t seem to get them closer to being a single movement ...
Also working on the Kit Kat version where you frontside whip it back to fakie
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on December 28, 2020, 03:34:49 PM
pop off middle of the board

i notice when i ollie up stuff/when i feel like my ollies feel like shit i pop off the toeside edge of the tail, beyond the toeside edge of baseplate so it's turning so hard in the air and feels bad
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on December 29, 2020, 05:52:02 AM
pop off middle of the board

i notice when i ollie up stuff/when i feel like my ollies feel like shit i pop off the toeside edge of the tail, beyond the toeside edge of baseplate so it's turning so hard in the air and feels bad

I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on December 29, 2020, 06:17:16 AM
I would really like to learn how to pop out of 50/50s but its just too much for my brain/body to compute - ollie on ledge - grind and balance - then I just manage somehow to fall off the ledge or at best sort of no pop turn out and roll away.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: OrangeVHStapes on December 29, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
Switch manny front shuv
Switch 5-0 front shuv

gotten way closer to switch 5-0 front shuv... They just... Evade me...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on December 30, 2020, 08:52:18 AM


I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.

Any tips? I'm seriously losing my mind over this. I've been trying all kinds of crazy back foot positions and nothing seems to work :(
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Post by: Urtripping on December 31, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
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I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.
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Any tips? I'm seriously losing my mind over this. I've been trying all kinds of crazy back foot positions and nothing seems to work :(

For me, it came from the fact that I had developed a habit of popping ollies with the ball of my foot, sometimes with toes even hanging off the topside edge on the tail. It looked and felt awful. The fix was actually pretty simple, I just tried to put my toes directly in the middle of the tail and all the way back on the edge (as far as my foot could go without toes hanging off) whenever popping any ollie. In fact, to make it a habit I would keep my toes there intentionally as I was cruising around and make a point to pop over anything and everything (over manholes/cracks/trash in the street, up and down curbs whenever I could). Soon it just became the natural foot placement my body goes to whenever doing an ollie, and they felt much more consistent and I felt much more confident doing them (this also made kickflips feel 1000% better, too)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: shredder sequel on December 31, 2020, 07:14:36 PM
Kickflips. I’ve avoided learning them since I first saw somebody do one in the 80s. Now I decided to learn them to give me something to do while I’m unemployed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on December 31, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
I would really like to learn how to pop out of 50/50s but its just too much for my brain/body to compute - ollie on ledge - grind and balance - then I just manage somehow to fall off the ledge or at best sort of no pop turn out and roll away.

For me it came down to being able to skate on a really nice, long ledge. I'm just a month or 2 back into skating and had never thought about adjusting foot placement or popping out of a 50-50 until relearning the trick on said ledge.

On the long, buttery ledge I realized that I don't have to rush to get out of the grind, I could work on balance and adjust the feet. I mean, it took realizing that by focusing on adjusting my feet during the 5050 the only thing I had to lose was possibly not landing the trick. It was all a mental game. You know what I mean? In paying attention to foot placement while in the grind, I started paying attention to placement while popping into the grind and realized that to lock in on a mid shin/knee height ledge I need the front foot right around the back front bolts. Once I'm locked, I can start moving and not rush in and out of the grind. Once feet are adjusted, I pop

Maybe that makes sense.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on January 01, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on January 01, 2021, 08:35:32 AM


Maybe that makes sense.

I guess it does, thanks. I have a long buttery ledge (actually metal clad) so I will give it a try next time it‘s dry outside.

Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...


What do you mean, back foot in the pocket is the problem or the solution?
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Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on January 01, 2021, 03:09:58 PM
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Maybe that makes sense.
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I guess it does, thanks. I have a long buttery ledge (actually metal clad) so I will give it a try next time it‘s dry outside.

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Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...

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What do you mean, back foot in the pocket is the problem or the solution?

for sure. in a nutshell, for me anyways, it's just about not rushing and experiencing new foot placements.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: moonordie on January 01, 2021, 03:47:42 PM
Cab flips
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Post by: MorningSesh on January 02, 2021, 12:16:20 PM
Fakie manuals, learning how to hold them longer first
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 02, 2021, 11:28:30 PM
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Maybe that makes sense.
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I guess it does, thanks. I have a long buttery ledge (actually metal clad) so I will give it a try next time it‘s dry outside.

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Back foot in the pocket.....Ive always sucked at this and I'm just getting it now....so many tricks no pop out...

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What do you mean, back foot in the pocket is the problem or the solution?
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for sure. in a nutshell, for me anyways, it's just about not rushing and experiencing new foot placements.

Yah, your toe should be in the heel side pocket...I guess even if it's not, you pop off that zone....even practice it on the ground or something small and you're comfortable with.....in....out....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on January 03, 2021, 10:04:00 PM
switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on January 05, 2021, 01:36:51 AM
switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.

Same Issue. Almost everything switch/fakie backside does not make any sense for me(except sw crooks). I just don't know where too look, when to pop etc. Back truck is always missing. I think the main problem are my shoulders and upper body in general. Just never got used to it. I have to look backwards and have my whole body already twisted before popping to get backside 180 tricks completely around switch.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on January 05, 2021, 01:58:14 AM
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switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.
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Same Issue. Almost everything switch/fakie backside does not make any sense for me(except sw crooks). I just don't know where too look, when to pop etc. Back truck is always missing. I think the main problem are my shoulders and upper body in general. Just never got used to it. I have to look backwards and have my whole body already twisted before popping to get backside 180 tricks completely around switch.

Copy and pasting what I said to someone else in another thread about switch backside 5050s, 5-0s etc:

Roll up at a decent angle, put your front foot slightly further down than you normally would. When you're rolling up and popping you can look at the ledge/the direction you're going and have your shoulders slightly open.

As soon as you pop, turn your shoulders backside so that they are parallel with the ledge, to help with this you can try to look at your back foot immediately after you pop. I find that helps me trick my body into closing off my shoulders better and it also helps line up the board with the ledge. This will be scary af at first because you'll feel really blind to everything but once you get used to it it starts to feel kinda natural. You really have to feel like you're way overdoing the backside turn.

Also make sure you pop a straight, if not slightly backside, ollie and don't subconsciously turn it frontside at all to get into willy/boardslide/feeble. Practicing switch ollies parallel (or at a slight angle) backside up a curb can also help you get the feeling.

I think a lot of switch tricks (50s, 5-0s, smiths) are easier to learn/get into frontside but once you figure out how to get into them backside its less awkward to hold onto and feels more natural to sit on.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hombreezy on January 05, 2021, 09:51:22 AM
Nollie bs 180 to fakie manual
Fakie bs flip
Bs 360
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 05, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
switch back 50/50 - frontside is one of my go to's but for some reason when I try backside all of my weight is on the front leg or I go into willie grind. At my age, I'm losing hope that i'll get them.

When I'm trying this trick what seems to be the moving target is the point which I say.....'oh fuck no.... Never'. Sometimes it's 3 feet from the curb....sometimes it's when I pop....
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 05, 2021, 12:22:01 PM
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I did the toe side edge pop for many years and wondered why I had such a hard time controlling ollies and getting them up/over things. It wasn't until I saw some footage if me trying one that I even realized what I was doing wrong.
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Any tips? I'm seriously losing my mind over this. I've been trying all kinds of crazy back foot positions and nothing seems to work :(
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For me, it came from the fact that I had developed a habit of popping ollies with the ball of my foot, sometimes with toes even hanging off the topside edge on the tail. It looked and felt awful. The fix was actually pretty simple, I just tried to put my toes directly in the middle of the tail and all the way back on the edge (as far as my foot could go without toes hanging off) whenever popping any ollie. In fact, to make it a habit I would keep my toes there intentionally as I was cruising around and make a point to pop over anything and everything (over manholes/cracks/trash in the street, up and down curbs whenever I could). Soon it just became the natural foot placement my body goes to whenever doing an ollie, and they felt much more consistent and I felt much more confident doing them (this also made kickflips feel 1000% better, too)

Pretty sure it was @Uncle Flea who initially posted it, but pretend your board is only as wide as the baseplates (for both feet). It definitely helped me with my pop and getting out of some really bad habits with foot positioning.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FUBAR on January 06, 2021, 02:50:24 AM
Fakie kickflip. I can land with the ball of my front foot barely on the deck but thats it. Frustrating the shit out of me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on January 06, 2021, 08:00:32 AM
Fs blunt on ledges after that I’ll learn shuv out
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Post by: rocklobster on January 06, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
Fs blunt on ledges after that I’ll learn shuv out

Same, I'm popping way too high and over-rotating my board onto the ledge.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on January 06, 2021, 06:45:15 PM
Nollie heels

Not computing.
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 06, 2021, 08:13:40 PM
Best trick to credit card yourself on...
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 06, 2021, 08:51:00 PM
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Fs blunt on ledges after that I’ll learn shuv out
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Same, I'm popping way too high and over-rotating my board onto the ledge.

Keep your ollie rocketed, dont have to turn that much either, wayyyyy less than a back tail. Wrote something about blunts somewhere, I could try dig that up.

I used to do a lot of front blunts but lost them a while ago, trying to (re)learn them too and its been a chore. I can hold and slide them very vertically very comfortably from the muscle memory, but my brain has been glitching on the dismount for like 18 months now, can't figure out what it is.

Also kinda trying to get comfortable doing tricks over stuff again. Never considered myself someone who really had pop but I could ollie over stuff just short of the height of a board without too much difficulty, switch ollies over sideways bins  were super natural too. But not skating over stuff in a year or two has made it such a struggle, and doing lots of switch 5-0s on small ledges has messed up my switch ollie form. Not fun to practice though
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 12, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and can’t sit on them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: imjusthereforthechips on January 14, 2021, 02:24:47 AM
currently trying to learn how to control my drinking without aa, medication, and all the other bullshit(one of my new years resolutions). i quit cigarettes, coke, painkillers, barbs, and most recently, weed all on my own so addiction is no stranger to me. so far ive been trying to drink less and less with each day but tonight is one of those nights where its just going down like water. nothing bad happened to me to make it happen, its just one of those nights.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: codymacfan on January 14, 2021, 01:11:23 PM
Nollie heels

Not computing.

I found that my main issue w/ these was having my toes hang off too much on the flicking foot. Put my flick foot a little more centered and they improved. Pop wise just popping fast and hard. Seems to be my strategy w/ all heel flip tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Space Cowboy on January 14, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and can’t sit on them.

I was hoping someone would have a tip on this too, fs smith on concrete ledges took a while to figure out but I can't get the bs smith to grind
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 14, 2021, 07:38:10 PM
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Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and can’t sit on them.
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I was hoping someone would have a tip on this too, fs smith on concrete ledges took a while to figure out but I can't get the bs smith to grind

I'm not particularly good at holding them, and struggle a lot with getting in in the middle of the ledge and popping out, but can do them on most concrete ledges. Gotta focus on ollieing into the ledge gently, not down onto the ledge if that makes sense. And of course leaning back and really pushing the back foot... and wax. Front foot a lil bit further back might help too.

Switch flip back tail has been ruining my life for a while now. I guess I've technically done a few, but yet to roll away clean from a good one. Plan is to keep flinging a few every other sesh and hope that it clicks one day.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on January 23, 2021, 09:32:11 PM
Fs blunt on ledges after that I’ll learn shuv out
this is as close as I’m getting for now. (https://i.imgur.com/w0ZWHTw.mp4)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on January 24, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
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this is as close as I’m getting for now. (https://i.imgur.com/w0ZWHTw.mp4)

Tried FS Blunts today and only slide on 1 after 10 attempts, no land yet. I feel like I should be locking in way earlier on the ledge; on the attempts I lock and slide I barely have any time to react to the exit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Murge on January 24, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
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Back smiths on concrete ledges. Whose got the tips? I can do them but require so much effort and can’t sit on them.
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I was hoping someone would have a tip on this too, fs smith on concrete ledges took a while to figure out but I can't get the bs smith to grind

Kinda toying with this now. I can get in to them but always leaning to far forward and I don’t know why I’m having trouble getting weight over back foot. Any tips ? I’m all ears.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on January 24, 2021, 11:54:25 AM
switch running and throw down
fakie hardflip
and like that guy above me, fs smith on concrete ledges
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on January 24, 2021, 01:15:45 PM
switch running and throw down
fakie hardflip
and like that guy above me, fs smith on concrete ledges
going off your name - do you have fs halfcab flips? That’s a trick I‘d like to learn
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on January 24, 2021, 05:50:44 PM
Front blunt on ledges, lock and no slide, or controlled slide.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mark Renton on January 25, 2021, 02:22:07 AM
Bs tailslides for as long as I can remember
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on January 25, 2021, 07:52:40 AM
Bs tailslides for as long as I can remember

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113553.0

Started this thread to help break through the struggle.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 25, 2021, 09:38:28 AM
Bs big spins; I think I started to figure it out yesterday. I'm landing some 270 at this point, whereas I couldn't even spin them without the board doing a half flip before. Seems like putting my back foot right on the tip of the tail and my front foot pointed at the nose and little more centered on the board is making the difference; maybe my front foot is more able to guide the spin after I scoop it so it doesn't start to turn so much over that way? I'm thinking I just have to wind up and really throw my shoulders and hips a bit more and then it will come together.  At least then I might have a better chance of sliding that last 90 degrees and riding away, but the goal is a full 360 spin, obviously. 

Also nollie flips, but I had a breakthrough with controlling the flip yesterday.  I felt like a few of them I got were pretty nicely flicked, caught super clean with that satisfying smack on the soles of my feet, and I was shocked to even land a couple bolts. Really looking forward to seeing if I can get them more consistently; a nice, clean nollie flip is one of the most magical-looking tricks, in my opinion.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on January 25, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
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switch running and throw down
fakie hardflip
and like that guy above me, fs smith on concrete ledges
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going off your name - do you have fs halfcab flips? That’s a trick I‘d like to learn

well I learned them on a mellow bank first. my english isn't the best but I will try. I would say this trick is mostly in the shoulders, I always like to turn them a bit counterwise before I pop. to get that momentum to do a complete 180. my back foot is in the toe pocket of the tail and my front foot points toward the lower right front truck bolt. so my front foot is really angled.
Couch down, turn your shoulders a bit backside, pop, flick your front foot and turn your shoulders frontside.
Hope that made sense for you ^^
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 28, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
Been working on relearning and getting more consistent at a few recently

BS 5-0’s, a bit annoying as this used to be my go to, but keep putting down to 50-50 and can only land short ones.

Crooked grinds same thing, land in nose slide or don’t get board up on the ledge at all only shorties atm.

Frontside nose slide, but hold as long as possible. This ones working best as of late, can do them maybe 5-6ft which feels good.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on January 29, 2021, 07:31:10 AM
I think the proper term is Fakie pop shuv into fakie front nosegrind(Or switch 5-0)? I recently learned just fakie ollies into them but I think if I commit that adding the shuv will go smoothly.

And nollie flips. Most fliptricks come semi naturally but i've been battling nollie flips a long time and they're finally getting close.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on January 29, 2021, 06:50:00 PM
Been working on relearning and getting more consistent at a few recently

BS 5-0’s, a bit annoying as this used to be my go to, but keep putting down to 50-50 and can only land short ones.

Crooked grinds same thing, land in nose slide or don’t get board up on the ledge at all only shorties atm.

Frontside nose slide, but hold as long as possible. This ones working best as of late, can do them maybe 5-6ft which feels good.

You come out regs on those fs noseslides? I have never cracked the code on that, but really want it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 29, 2021, 07:06:25 PM
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Been working on relearning and getting more consistent at a few recently

BS 5-0’s, a bit annoying as this used to be my go to, but keep putting down to 50-50 and can only land short ones.

Crooked grinds same thing, land in nose slide or don’t get board up on the ledge at all only shorties atm.

Frontside nose slide, but hold as long as possible. This ones working best as of late, can do them maybe 5-6ft which feels good.
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You come out regs on those fs noseslides? I have never cracked the code on that, but really want it.

Not if I hold onto them. Want to get those as well shows control.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on January 29, 2021, 08:18:22 PM
Any wallride 180 out tips would be appreciated.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on January 30, 2021, 06:13:54 AM
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Been working on relearning and getting more consistent at a few recently

BS 5-0’s, a bit annoying as this used to be my go to, but keep putting down to 50-50 and can only land short ones.

Crooked grinds same thing, land in nose slide or don’t get board up on the ledge at all only shorties atm.

Frontside nose slide, but hold as long as possible. This ones working best as of late, can do them maybe 5-6ft which feels good.
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You come out regs on those fs noseslides? I have never cracked the code on that, but really want it.
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Not if I hold onto them. Want to get those as well shows control.

I'm terrible at nollie fs 180's, I feel like having those down pat is a prerequisite
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 30, 2021, 06:44:30 AM
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Been working on relearning and getting more consistent at a few recently

BS 5-0’s, a bit annoying as this used to be my go to, but keep putting down to 50-50 and can only land short ones.

Crooked grinds same thing, land in nose slide or don’t get board up on the ledge at all only shorties atm.

Frontside nose slide, but hold as long as possible. This ones working best as of late, can do them maybe 5-6ft which feels good.
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You come out regs on those fs noseslides? I have never cracked the code on that, but really want it.
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Not if I hold onto them. Want to get those as well shows control.
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I'm terrible at nollie fs 180's, I feel like having those down pat is a prerequisite

While it would probably be a huge plus, I don't think it a must. While a nice little pop out would be sick, you can still do them and just come out normal. Whats helped me with the trick in general is focusing on putting my weight on my toe side wheel. This greatly reduces the stick/fall forward motion which feels awful when you're expecting to slide a bit.

I have lost BS 5-0's, For some reason as soon as I pop my tail I just give up and land in 50-50. Hard to explain, but can't make myself land in a 5-0. its at the point now I just move on now. It brings the rest of my session down and makes me feel like I'm terrible. Frustrating because I used to just chill on this one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on January 30, 2021, 07:08:46 AM
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Been working on relearning and getting more consistent at a few recently

BS 5-0’s, a bit annoying as this used to be my go to, but keep putting down to 50-50 and can only land short ones.

Crooked grinds same thing, land in nose slide or don’t get board up on the ledge at all only shorties atm.

Frontside nose slide, but hold as long as possible. This ones working best as of late, can do them maybe 5-6ft which feels good.
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You come out regs on those fs noseslides? I have never cracked the code on that, but really want it.
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Not if I hold onto them. Want to get those as well shows control.
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I'm terrible at nollie fs 180's, I feel like having those down pat is a prerequisite
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While it would probably be a huge plus, I don't think it a must. While a nice little pop out would be sick, you can still do them and just come out normal. Whats helped me with the trick in general is focusing on putting my weight on my toe side wheel. This greatly reduces the stick/fall forward motion which feels awful when you're expecting to slide a bit.

I have lost BS 5-0's, For some reason as soon as I pop my tail I just give up and land in 50-50. Hard to explain, but can't make myself land in a 5-0. its at the point now I just move on now. It brings the rest of my session down and makes me feel like I'm terrible. Frustrating because I used to just chill on this one.

I get you, the toe side pressure is key to a slide... I think I'm still figuring out that fs rotation off the nose and that's why I feel practice with 180s would help. Having a proper Jordan Trahan pop out is the stuff of dreams.

With back 5-0's I try to pop higher than necessary over the ledge, which lets me put my back truck down with some force. I have to exaggerate the put-down and have almost all my weight on my back foot in order to do em. I also feel way more comfortable when I lock in a bit shifted bs, like a suski.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on January 30, 2021, 08:06:01 AM
"I'm terrible at nollie fs 180's, I feel like having those down pat is a prerequisite"

Hang your heels, push it in front and go for the 90....

I always find that only one is ever working....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on January 30, 2021, 03:07:26 PM
Difference between normal front nose and front nose fakie is for normal front nose, you don't turn your shoulders into the trick, you just extend your front leg in front of you and rely on your hips but otherwise the upper body stays in the line of where you're going the whole time (think of photos of skaters like Jake Rupp). If you stand on the ledge with your weight completely over the nose, your shoulders are going to want to align with the motion and you'll probably slip out to fakie. Whereas normal front nose should feel more like a shifty ollie at first, just with the extra pose and pause; that's why sliding them for long is the challenging part, the later you'll dismount the longer you'll have to fight the urge to completely shift your weight one way or the other for, until you find that sweet spot. Also I'm mentioning shifties but you don't need to know those for that trick I don't think, although it does probably help. Frontside nollies I'd say are a completely different thing and one 270'ing out of front nose 'the hard way' (or out of back nose the easy way) probably has more to do with than just a straight dismount.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 30, 2021, 08:45:19 PM
Difference between normal front nose and front nose fakie is for normal front nose, you don't turn your shoulders into the trick, you just extend your front leg in front of you and rely on your hips but otherwise the upper body stays in the line of where you're going the whole time (think of photos of skaters like Jake Rupp). If you stand on the ledge with your weight completely over the nose, your shoulders are going to want to align with the motion and you'll probably slip out to fakie. Whereas normal front nose should feel more like a shifty ollie at first, just with the extra pose and pause; that's why sliding them for long is the challenging part, the later you'll dismount the longer you'll have to fight the urge to completely shift your weight one way or the other for, until you find that sweet spot. Also I'm mentioning shifties but you don't need to know those for that trick I don't think, although it does probably help. Frontside nollies I'd say are a completely different thing and one 270'ing out of front nose 'the hard way' (or out of back nose the easy way) probably has more to do with than just a straight dismount.

Well put. Good tips in there, I can visualize exactly what you mean. I definitely stand right over the nose when I try to hold them.

Going on a work trip for a few weeks, definitely going to work on this when I get home.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on January 30, 2021, 09:11:00 PM
Yeah that actually makes total sense, I really only brought nollie fs 180s into the discussion since the "dismount" motion is a little similar (in the direction of the rotation starting with pressure off the nose, at least) when popped out, which is my eventual goal. Whenever I try "the pose" I slip out, but I think that just means I need to commit and put down the dismount on some short ones, then learn to hold it longer.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: TKsGrillz on January 31, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
backside panel skid caveman out on the box i built yesterday lol.
long story short i built a grind box and ended up finding a metal lined cabinet panel from the last ppl that lived at the house i live at must have left.
i only went for it  one session for it is too cold today... but this week its mine
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sammyz on February 03, 2021, 04:28:31 AM
Ive broken 3 decks trying to kickflip off stuff. Everytime i get it my back foot lands on the tail and the board either cracks or snaps.

How do i get my back foot further forward? Or avoid the deck from getting ahead of me?

I need some help because this is getting expensive!

Edit: or as my mate suggested, i need a board with bigger WB? Current board is 14.25 and I’m 6’3”
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on February 03, 2021, 04:44:29 AM
Ive broken 3 decks trying to kickflip off stuff. Everytime i get it my back foot lands on the tail and the board either cracks or snaps.

How do i get my back foot further forward? Or avoid the deck from getting ahead of me?

I need some help because this is getting expensive!

Edit: or as my mate suggested, i need a board with bigger WB? Current board is 14.25 and I’m 6’3”

I'm 6'4 and skate 14.25 I don't think that's your issue. What's your skill level like in general? If you can land bolts on flatground kickflips you are most likely capable of doing it. You could be flicking your board ahead of you, or leaning back slightly too much. If you land rigid also that's going to be more force than if you bend with the landing.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 04, 2021, 10:59:38 AM
Trying to learn to not be super precious with new boards. Every time I set a new deck up, I kind of hold back because I don't want to chip it up or anything. Makes skating less fun, but when I fuck up a new board I always feel guilty about it. Over the past 5 years it has gotten increasingly worse.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on February 04, 2021, 11:19:22 AM
Trying to learn to not be super precious with new boards. Every time I set a new deck up, I kind of hold back because I don't want to chip it up or anything. Makes skating less fun, but when I fuck up a new board I always feel guilty about it. Over the past 5 years it has gotten increasingly worse.

I'm the exact same with new decks, I've said it on here before but basically my skating will adapt to the state of the deck I'm on, if it's brand new I'll tend to stay away from crusty spots and stuff like grate gaps where you can easily jam your nose and instead prefer to skate some cleaner stuff and do more basic tricks but (ideally) popped and fast. Whereas once the deck is damaged, I no longer give a shit and thus will actually go out of my way to skate the rough spots I had been avoiding thus far, and do more tricks that wear decks down real quick like impossibles or pressure flips, since due to the lack of crispy pop the basic stuff temporarily no longer feels as fun. It's something I've learned to embrace though and now I like both 'styles' equally, if anything when my deck is thrashed I'll sort of treat that as an excuse to just go wilder with it and in the end gear usually lasts me a long ass time. Beat up boards have charm on footage too, or so I find; although that seems to be a thing people either love or hate.

I do get self-conscious about not replacing gear nearly as often as I really should a lot too, though. But on a worn out deck I'll miss the pop and on a brand new one I'll miss the carefree aspect. So in the end I don't think it's really worth overthinking, but it's quite interesting to me how some skaters can independently develop the same 'savy' approach, especially when they used to struggle with gear when they were younger I guess when in reality it's accessible everywhere now and shouldn't be that hard to acquire as a grown-up adult.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 04, 2021, 12:04:24 PM
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Trying to learn to not be super precious with new boards. Every time I set a new deck up, I kind of hold back because I don't want to chip it up or anything. Makes skating less fun, but when I fuck up a new board I always feel guilty about it. Over the past 5 years it has gotten increasingly worse.
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I'm the exact same with new decks, I've said it on here before but basically my skating will adapt to the state of the deck I'm on, if it's brand new I'll tend to stay away from crusty spots and stuff like grate gaps where you can easily jam your nose and instead prefer to skate some cleaner stuff and do more basic tricks but (ideally) popped and fast. Whereas once the deck is damaged, I no longer give a shit and thus will actually go out of my way to skate the rough spots I had been avoiding thus far, and do more tricks that wear decks down real quick like impossibles or pressure flips, since due to the lack of crispy pop the basic stuff temporarily no longer feels as fun. It's something I've learned to embrace though and now I like both 'styles' equally, if anything when my deck is thrashed I'll sort of treat that as an excuse to just go wilder with it and in the end gear usually lasts me a long ass time. Beat up boards have charm on footage too, or so I find; although that seems to be a thing people either love or hate.

I do get self-conscious about not replacing gear nearly as often as I really should a lot too, though. But on a worn out deck I'll miss the pop and on a brand new one I'll miss the carefree aspect. So in the end I don't think it's really worth overthinking, but it's quite interesting to me how some skaters can independently develop the same 'savy' approach, especially when they used to struggle with gear when they were younger I guess when in reality it's accessible everywhere now and shouldn't be that hard to acquire as a grown-up adult.

Yeah, when I was younger and had less disposable income, I wasn't precious at all and wouldn't hesitate to skate a board however, chip it up or give it away. But it is cool hearing that I am not the only one with this kind of an approach.

I found a dry patch of ground and was skating on my lunch break, accidentally slipped out launched my board into the snow a few times and didn't get to bummed about it. So that feels like progress.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 04, 2021, 12:24:31 PM
I've been working on backside flips a lot lately. It's a trick I've always been able to do, but I never really do it how I want to. On hips I can do them well cuz they feel more like a kickflip to fakie, but on flat I feel like I always just whiff them around and land it. I either get ghost pop or rocket the board, and even if I land it I just don't feel very good. Any advice?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on February 04, 2021, 12:44:23 PM
Yeah, when I was younger and had less disposable income, I wasn't precious at all and wouldn't hesitate to skate a board however, chip it up or give it away. But it is cool hearing that I am not the only one with this kind of an approach.

I found a dry patch of ground and was skating on my lunch break, accidentally slipped out launched my board into the snow a few times and didn't get to bummed about it. So that feels like progress.

No yeah I've seen a couple of posters mention similar habits too, but it's interesting how you weren't always like that. Growing up I basically had to make do with a deck per year, two tops and so every little chip counted, to this day that may be part of why I dislike brands that don't even try at quality - surely skateboarding is hot shit now with the mall crowds and casuals so most think they can afford to slip in that department, but in reality there still are (and always) will be those kids who struggle all the while skating their hearts out and in that position, investing into a new deck shouldn't be a gamble.

I kinda did the same today skating a plaza with rough cobblestones, walls and glorified curbs in your typical wet winter weather (it's been raining for two months straight here, with that and the 6 pm curfew for Covid skating has become way harder so every little window of opportunity counts), but that's because my current set-up is all kinds of fucked, I basically should have retired everything on it months ago. But every new damp day kind of confirms that had I done that, I would only have wasted a deck or two (or bearings, too) instead of just staying on the same old beat up one. I even kind of wonder if on a brand new set-up I would have even skated in such conditions, at least as far as a first session on it goes.

Also one of the first things I ever heard as a kid starting out skating that really stuck with me was some skater talking about another one and saying it was funny how he was being so precious with his deck, it felt like his girlfriend; it was really just a random remark, but it kind of made me aware of how one could actually feel a connection and really nurture a kind of relationship with their set-up.

I've been working on backside flips a lot lately. It's a trick I've always been able to do, but I never really do it how I want to. On hips I can do them well cuz they feel more like a kickflip to fakie, but on flat I feel like I always just whiff them around and land it. I either get ghost pop or rocket the board, and even if I land it I just don't feel very good. Any advice?

Sounds like you need to find your flick, for backside flips I feel like you have to slide your front foot through the nose even further diagonally toe-side than you would do on straight kickflips (where you also flick through the nose but along the bolts), picture a varial kickflip kind of flick but late, after your board gets off the ground from the ollie and your shoulders should be leading the turn instead of remaining square (they should be ahead of you the whole time). Back foot placement is important to get the right rebound and then friction of the concave against the front foot, too, mine feels close enough to a normal kickflip that I don't really think about it but I do feel like it matters, when I first learned flatground backside flips I was doing them the way you describe them too and then for some reason tried changing my technique for what would feel like kickflip late backside 180's, and that's what sort of ending up working out for me. Now I have better form on those but the technique is so different I lost a bit of consistency, also every time I miss one on flat it always results in the worst shinner and so I mostly just do them on banks now where they're so much easier (also to level out). Maybe learning the kind of halfcab flip that looks like it folds over will help, too, it's good practice, fun and easier.

(tl;dr - try focusing a bit more on getting an actual ollie that's leveling out, before you really flick, all the while turning)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on February 04, 2021, 02:17:31 PM
My approach so far this year has been trying to find ways to stay low impact and keep learning new stuff. Lots of spins out of grinds/slides on mellow ledges (but not wack shit like a fs 180 out of a fs 5050) and learning the basics of skating switch. I got a few little switch backslide slappy noseslides earlier today which still has me beaming from ear to ear.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: lazer69 on February 04, 2021, 03:39:47 PM
Kickflips. When I was a teen and 50lbs lighter i felt so comfortable with them. Now Im over 6 feet tall,  they feel awk, and im heavier so they take much more energy then tre flips. Somehow tres are so much easier now, boy have things changed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on February 04, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
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Yeah, when I was younger and had less disposable income, I wasn't precious at all and wouldn't hesitate to skate a board however, chip it up or give it away. But it is cool hearing that I am not the only one with this kind of an approach.

I found a dry patch of ground and was skating on my lunch break, accidentally slipped out launched my board into the snow a few times and didn't get to bummed about it. So that feels like progress.
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No yeah I've seen a couple of posters mention similar habits too, but it's interesting how you weren't always like that. Growing up I basically had to make do with a deck per year, two tops and so every little chip counted, to this day that may be part of why I dislike brands that don't even try at quality - surely skateboarding is hot shit now with the mall crowds and casuals so most think they can afford to slip in that department, but in reality there still are (and always) will be those kids who struggle all the while skating their hearts out and in that position, investing into a new deck shouldn't be a gamble.

I kinda did the same today skating a plaza with rough cobblestones, walls and glorified curbs in your typical wet winter weather (it's been raining for two months straight here, with that and the 6 pm curfew for Covid skating has become way harder so every little window of opportunity counts), but that's because my current set-up is all kinds of fucked, I basically should have retired everything on it months ago. But every new damp day kind of confirms that had I done that, I would only have wasted a deck or two (or bearings, too) instead of just staying on the same old beat up one. I even kind of wonder if on a brand new set-up I would have even skated in such conditions, at least as far as a first session on it goes.

Also one of the first things I ever heard as a kid starting out skating that really stuck with me was some skater talking about another one and saying it was funny how he was being so precious with his deck, it felt like his girlfriend; it was really just a random remark, but it kind of made me aware of how one could actually feel a connection and really nurture a kind of relationship with their set-up.

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I've been working on backside flips a lot lately. It's a trick I've always been able to do, but I never really do it how I want to. On hips I can do them well cuz they feel more like a kickflip to fakie, but on flat I feel like I always just whiff them around and land it. I either get ghost pop or rocket the board, and even if I land it I just don't feel very good. Any advice?
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Sounds like you need to find your flick, for backside flips I feel like you have to slide your front foot through the nose even further diagonally toe-side than you would do on straight kickflips (where you also flick through the nose but along the bolts), picture a varial kickflip kind of flick but late, after your board gets off the ground from the ollie and your shoulders should be leading the turn instead of remaining square (they should be ahead of you the whole time). Back foot placement is important to get the right rebound and then friction of the concave against the front foot, too, mine feels close enough to a normal kickflip that I don't really think about it but I do feel like it matters, when I first learned flatground backside flips I was doing them the way you describe them too and then for some reason tried changing my technique for what would feel like kickflip late backside 180's, and that's what sort of ending up working out for me. Now I have better form on those but the technique is so different I lost a bit of consistency, also every time I miss one on flat it always results in the worst shinner and so I mostly just do them on banks now where they're so much easier (also to level out). Maybe learning the kind of halfcab flip that looks like it folds over will help, too, it's good practice, fun and easier.

(tl;dr - try focusing a bit more on getting an actual ollie that's leveling out, before you really flick, all the while turning)

Got a tech boner just reading that breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oBs-qwbuSM
Only landed my first one last year after a decade of trying them, what really helped for me was getting the right amount of scoop on my back foot; making it less of a BS 180 with a kickflip but more varial flip like. Thinking of it as a rubber band and apply pressure at the correct spots as Ben Degros mentions was helpful, but my consistency on that trick is piss-poor.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 05, 2021, 06:47:06 AM
My approach so far this year has been trying to find ways to stay low impact and keep learning new stuff. Lots of spins out of grinds/slides on mellow ledges (but not wack shit like a fs 180 out of a fs 5050) and learning the basics of skating switch. I got a few little switch backslide slappy noseslides earlier today which still has me beaming from ear to ear.

That is THE feeling. Not even the first real make but when you realize you're juuuust about to get there.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 05, 2021, 06:54:08 AM
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Yeah, when I was younger and had less disposable income, I wasn't precious at all and wouldn't hesitate to skate a board however, chip it up or give it away. But it is cool hearing that I am not the only one with this kind of an approach.

I found a dry patch of ground and was skating on my lunch break, accidentally slipped out launched my board into the snow a few times and didn't get to bummed about it. So that feels like progress.
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No yeah I've seen a couple of posters mention similar habits too, but it's interesting how you weren't always like that. Growing up I basically had to make do with a deck per year, two tops and so every little chip counted, to this day that may be part of why I dislike brands that don't even try at quality - surely skateboarding is hot shit now with the mall crowds and casuals so most think they can afford to slip in that department, but in reality there still are (and always) will be those kids who struggle all the while skating their hearts out and in that position, investing into a new deck shouldn't be a gamble.

I kinda did the same today skating a plaza with rough cobblestones, walls and glorified curbs in your typical wet winter weather (it's been raining for two months straight here, with that and the 6 pm curfew for Covid skating has become way harder so every little window of opportunity counts), but that's because my current set-up is all kinds of fucked, I basically should have retired everything on it months ago. But every new damp day kind of confirms that had I done that, I would only have wasted a deck or two (or bearings, too) instead of just staying on the same old beat up one. I even kind of wonder if on a brand new set-up I would have even skated in such conditions, at least as far as a first session on it goes.

Also one of the first things I ever heard as a kid starting out skating that really stuck with me was some skater talking about another one and saying it was funny how he was being so precious with his deck, it felt like his girlfriend; it was really just a random remark, but it kind of made me aware of how one could actually feel a connection and really nurture a kind of relationship with their set-up.

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I've been working on backside flips a lot lately. It's a trick I've always been able to do, but I never really do it how I want to. On hips I can do them well cuz they feel more like a kickflip to fakie, but on flat I feel like I always just whiff them around and land it. I either get ghost pop or rocket the board, and even if I land it I just don't feel very good. Any advice?
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Sounds like you need to find your flick, for backside flips I feel like you have to slide your front foot through the nose even further diagonally toe-side than you would do on straight kickflips (where you also flick through the nose but along the bolts), picture a varial kickflip kind of flick but late, after your board gets off the ground from the ollie and your shoulders should be leading the turn instead of remaining square (they should be ahead of you the whole time). Back foot placement is important to get the right rebound and then friction of the concave against the front foot, too, mine feels close enough to a normal kickflip that I don't really think about it but I do feel like it matters, when I first learned flatground backside flips I was doing them the way you describe them too and then for some reason tried changing my technique for what would feel like kickflip late backside 180's, and that's what sort of ending up working out for me. Now I have better form on those but the technique is so different I lost a bit of consistency, also every time I miss one on flat it always results in the worst shinner and so I mostly just do them on banks now where they're so much easier (also to level out). Maybe learning the kind of halfcab flip that looks like it folds over will help, too, it's good practice, fun and easier.

(tl;dr - try focusing a bit more on getting an actual ollie that's leveling out, before you really flick, all the while turning)


Okay I tried a few with this mentality and it certainly helped. My rotation was slower but I was popping and catching it similar enough to how I do kickflips which is closer to how I wanna be. Thanks!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on February 05, 2021, 10:01:27 AM
My pleasure, and yeah that mentality seems like a good starting point, in a sense it's tempting to think of that trick as a backside 180 combined with a kickflip (since technically that's what it is) but if you do that you usually end up with too much scoop and that results in the varial kickflip body varial look (which is basically what my backside flips looked like as a kid and isn't necessarily bad I guess, in my head I thought I was doing them Video Days Jason Lee style, in reality and on footage not so much). Whereas if you're trying to catch them then turn, they feel so different they're better thought as some one-off trick of their own. Slower rotation definitely happens with that technique but it's just a matter of adjusting your foot positioning to get a straight pop with the right rebound and then it's really your shoulders that lead the way, while your front foot levels out the board and then extends through it to help guide it around, which is exactly how you get the fold and how some people turn varial flips into 'forward flips' (don't ask me why). In the end as you get familiar, you'll probably find yourself doing them that way and flick in a way that barely feels like you're doing a kickflip and a rotation and more like something that happens at the peak of the trick if that makes sense. Ben Gore's backside ollies and backside flips are a good example to visualize, I tend to picture his technique a lot when I do those tricks. Also to me, this is one of those tricks that work differently with every new deck or change in wheelbase, so your results may vary depending your current set-up every time (which is why they're so inconsistent for me, on some decks they're easy, on some others I don't change a thing yet I guess I still miss the flick by a hair and that's how I get the shinners).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on February 05, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
I'm trying to get bs flips down too and I felt a little closer to them thinking of the kf first and the 180 turn late. I've stuck a few in my day but always rolling away at a snail's pace.

I have been really itching to skate a quarterpipe and get bs tail stalls like this one right here. I can pop into them but I've never gone way above the coping like that, it looks like it feels fantastic.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/Xv6OY8H7YhDdMMQQ31/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 05, 2021, 10:44:10 PM
Tomorrow I'm working on sw front 3 on flat. I can do them on banks and stuff.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: DarkPools on February 06, 2021, 12:25:24 AM
Since I have F4 Spits,  I wanna spend some time practicing backside power slides like the SF dudes do.

I'm also trying to relearn FS Tail Slides and then do them better than I used to. Tail slides are fucking scary to slide for me, though. I never feel comfortable sliding them. Pointers are appreciated, even if it's a "go faster, pussy" thing haha!

Switch backside flips like Walker Ryan  8)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on February 06, 2021, 07:12:52 AM
My pleasure, and yeah that mentality seems like a good starting point, in a sense it's tempting to think of that trick as a backside 180 combined with a kickflip (since technically that's what it is) but if you do that you usually end up with too much scoop and that results in the varial kickflip body varial look (which is basically what my backside flips looked like as a kid and isn't necessarily bad I guess, in my head I thought I was doing them Video Days Jason Lee style, in reality and on footage not so much). Whereas if you're trying to catch them then turn, they feel so different they're better thought as some one-off trick of their own. Slower rotation definitely happens with that technique but it's just a matter of adjusting your foot positioning to get a straight pop with the right rebound and then it's really your shoulders that lead the way, while your front foot levels out the board and then extends through it to help guide it around, which is exactly how you get the fold and how some people turn varial flips into 'forward flips' (don't ask me why). In the end as you get familiar, you'll probably find yourself doing them that way and flick in a way that barely feels like you're doing a kickflip and a rotation and more like something that happens at the peak of the trick if that makes sense. Ben Gore's backside ollies and backside flips are a good example to visualize, I tend to picture his technique a lot when I do those tricks. Also to me, this is one of those tricks that work differently with every new deck or change in wheelbase, so your results may vary depending your current set-up every time (which is why they're so inconsistent for me, on some decks they're easy, on some others I don't change a thing yet I guess I still miss the flick by a hair and that's how I get the shinners).

Landed my first proper once thanks to your trick tip. Managed to get the tension (from the scoop) and release (from the flick) just right, caught mid air and rotated the rest for a perfect landing. Thanks!

I'm also trying to relearn FS Tail Slides and then do them better than I used to. Tail slides are fucking scary to slide for me, though. I never feel comfortable sliding them. Pointers are appreciated, even if it's a "go faster, pussy" thing haha!


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113366.0

Just re-learned them last year thanks to this thread.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: DarkPools on February 06, 2021, 11:45:20 AM
Thank you, Rocklobster !  Will check that thread out!  :)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ssNB462 on February 09, 2021, 09:49:41 AM
Sw Treflips. Landed like 2 ever. I one foot them alot
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on February 15, 2021, 11:47:48 PM
Was messing around with BS Tailslides on a tall ledge and accidently locked into a few pinched BS Smith grinds, which is another bucket list trick for me. They feel weird on a low ledge because I always feel like I would pop too high, but on the taller ledge the pinch and dip was perfect. Definitely going to give them another go this weekend, though building up the nerve to may take an hour and all my mental stamina.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Dwyck on February 16, 2021, 09:09:10 PM
I'm figuring out bs nose wallies or whatever you'd call em. Right now im doing them at like 45 degree angle, just trying to get as high as I can, push off my nose off the wall and land flat. Ican get my board up the wall everytime but popping and not landing primo is like every 10 tries. Back to the drawing board
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on February 17, 2021, 02:29:13 PM
Happy to report I got a few BS Smiths on my concrete ledge today. They weren’t pretty but still pulled 3. The tip of “placing the trucks” on definitely helped as apposed to almost bashing them in. That and lean back find that right lock in point. My goal is to do one a session, hopefully it won’t be my whole session like it was today haha.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on February 18, 2021, 09:14:45 AM
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Fs blunt on ledges after that I’ll learn shuv out
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this is as close as I’m getting for now. (https://i.imgur.com/w0ZWHTw.mp4)
Im getting closer to doing a legit one
https://imgur.com/0GnQUxv
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on February 19, 2021, 06:58:30 PM
Nollie flips, have no trouble flipping them but can't seem to jump over it to catch them. Been meaning to try doing one out of a quarter and seeing if that helps.

Other than that trying to build up the confidence to commit to a nollie front shuv out of a bs nosepick on transition
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on February 19, 2021, 07:26:07 PM
Nollie flips, have no trouble flipping them but can't seem to jump over it to catch them. Been meaning to try doing one out of a quarter and seeing if that helps.

Other than that trying to build up the confidence to commit to a nollie front shuv out of a bs nosepick on transition

Try to fully flick and jump properly and land upside down, its better than fully flipping and not jumping over it. Switch flips came easier for me, maybe they will for you too.

This probably won't work for most people, but I actually landed a few nollie frontside flips before nollie flips, felt like the turn gave me more room to flick and helped me work up to flicking a straight nollie flip properly. Obviously nollie flips are way easier now but I think it helped a bit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lunker on February 19, 2021, 07:26:37 PM
Is it easier to learn a trick switch or nollie? I want switch/nollie heels but don't know which way would be faster to learn the motion.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on February 19, 2021, 10:44:31 PM
Switch heel is easier I think....
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on February 20, 2021, 09:18:35 AM
Been working on fakie bigflips for the last couple days, landed my first one today.

I've had fakie BS bigspins and kickflips for a while, and had been meaning to try these... actually came a bit easier than I expected.

Deffo need to clean them up but I'm pretty stoked...I'm hoping it helps to unlock fakie tres, but my body keeps wanting to go with the rotation on those.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on February 20, 2021, 09:48:26 AM
Been working on fakie bigflips for the last couple days, landed my first one today.

I've had fakie BS bigspins and kickflips for a while, and had been meaning to try these... actually came a bit easier than I expected.

Deffo need to clean them up but I'm pretty stoked...I'm hoping it helps to unlock fakie tres, but my body keeps wanting to go with the rotation on those.

Fakie big flip is a fun one, I neglected it for a while before realizing how cool that trick could actually feel (partly thanks to how PJ would make them look), these days I find myself doing them more. The way they work sort of feels like you're halfcabbing into a varial flip, whereas fakie 360 flip feels a lot more like a fakie 360 shove it with an extra flick, maybe thinking of them as such instead of as fakie big flip with no body turn will help you stay in control. Forming the flip I guess is sort of the same but the upper body action feels completely different (in fact for an ideal fakie 360 flip, before popping you're literally facing backwards).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on February 20, 2021, 10:21:11 AM
Food for thought, I need to get fakie 3 shuvs down as well which would help for the fakie tres.

 I can do nollie 3 shuvs no bother at all so need to try and mirror that technique in my head.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on February 20, 2021, 10:42:38 AM
Frontside noseslides (to fakie). Rolled away from a few but barely slid...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on February 20, 2021, 10:51:03 AM
Food for thought, I need to get fakie 3 shuvs down as well which would help for the fakie tres.

 I can do nollie 3 shuvs no bother at all so need to try and mirror that technique in my head.

I'm the same with the nollie 360 shoves going that way because they were one of my very first tricks as a kid and to this day I love throwing them around, if you have those down honestly I'd say try nollie 360 flips sometime as from then on, those really aren't out of reach. I learned them many years before I could even fathom forming a straight nollie flip, so really those tricks in fakie or nollie have a lot in common and you might be surprised. In those stances the 360 flip version really is the exact same thing as the casual 360 shove except you pop it all the while jumping a certain way so that your other foot interferes and then the flip just sort of happens by itself if your pressure points were correct. The big flip counterparts take more effort in comparison I would say. For your fakie 360 flips I'd really recommend trying a few while literally facing your tail, to block your temptation to turn your body what would now feel like the 'wrong' way. If that kills the 360 for you (which it might), you can compensate by focusing on adjusting the scoop, or how you distribute your weight over the board before you pop.

I think it was in his Chromeball interview where Daewon said he did nollie 360 flips super early before opposite footed skating was really a thing and at the time he wouldn't even think of the trick in those terms, it was 'just this trick where the board flopped around' (not verbatim). To this day I actually find that to be a good approach, so that you don't overthink how hard the trick sounds like it's supposed to be, when in reality the motion for it is quite simple. (Overthinking difficulty is probably the main mental block to progression, at least in skating)

Also with a good nollie 360 shove you might be closer than you think to nollie (front foot) impossibles and to nollie big spins with an extra shove (those are the exact same thing as the nollie 360 shove but you pivot off the nose while doing it, it's not the classiest trick but it's a fun underrated one).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on February 20, 2021, 11:56:45 AM
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Nollie flips, have no trouble flipping them but can't seem to jump over it to catch them. Been meaning to try doing one out of a quarter and seeing if that helps.

Other than that trying to build up the confidence to commit to a nollie front shuv out of a bs nosepick on transition
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Try to fully flick and jump properly and land upside down, its better than fully flipping and not jumping over it. Switch flips came easier for me, maybe they will for you too.

This probably won't work for most people, but I actually landed a few nollie frontside flips before nollie flips, felt like the turn gave me more room to flick and helped me work up to flicking a straight nollie flip properly. Obviously nollie flips are way easier now but I think it helped a bit.

Yeah, I managed to land on the board upside down a few times since posting that before rolling my ankle on one. I'll have to give the nollie frontside idea a go though, thanks!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on February 20, 2021, 12:18:47 PM
Just caught that discussion but honestly trying to learn nollie flips out of a quarter sounds crazy to me (but it might work for you, everyone is different, who knows), I feel like transition throws off all the physics of that trick. Switch flips on a bank might be a good idea though, if anything to transition in between flatground switch flip to flatground nollie flip or the other way around depending on which one you learn first.

Frontside nollie flip thing is funny because it used to be true for me too but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it personally (but it's still a possibility), it's quite easy to mob the fuck out of those first frontside nollie flips and get used to bad technique even for straight nollie flips in the end. Funnily enough the 180 ones now feel a lot harder to me too, but that's because I actually try to pop and form them right which I couldn't do back then (and is also why I stopped doing that trick, at least my mobbed ones felt like shit). For nollie flips the key is to use the forward momentum to push ahead of you on the pop (off the big toe) and jump what feels like backwards (towards the tail) all the while really bringing the board with you for the flip, really like a straight nollie but with insistence on your toes and then at the peak you flick out, shoulders aligned the whole time. I say it all the time but it's also a lot easier to learn switch flips by pretending you're in your regular stance and it's your normal every day kickflip that you're trying to fix, forget you're doing anything different and it will kill the whole mental block of a myth around the trick. Sorry to hear about your ankle, be well soon.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sammyz on February 21, 2021, 07:28:55 PM
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Ive broken 3 decks trying to kickflip off stuff. Everytime i get it my back foot lands on the tail and the board either cracks or snaps.

How do i get my back foot further forward? Or avoid the deck from getting ahead of me?

I need some help because this is getting expensive!

Edit: or as my mate suggested, i need a board with bigger WB? Current board is 14.25 and I’m 6’3”
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I'm 6'4 and skate 14.25 I don't think that's your issue. What's your skill level like in general? If you can land bolts on flatground kickflips you are most likely capable of doing it. You could be flicking your board ahead of you, or leaning back slightly too much. If you land rigid also that's going to be more force than if you bend with the landing.

ok...so update...I managed to do a couple last week landed bolts...took your advice, and think I was leaning back a bit. I forced myself to stay over the board when getting close to the ledge and it helped keep everything under my feet. Also...WB got nothing to do with it...I did it on my Chico deck which is 14 WB, so obviously not WB dependent.

next I gotta try and do shuvs off stuff...and pop higher on kickflips
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on February 22, 2021, 04:24:20 AM
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Ive broken 3 decks trying to kickflip off stuff. Everytime i get it my back foot lands on the tail and the board either cracks or snaps.

How do i get my back foot further forward? Or avoid the deck from getting ahead of me?

I need some help because this is getting expensive!

Edit: or as my mate suggested, i need a board with bigger WB? Current board is 14.25 and I’m 6’3”
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I'm 6'4 and skate 14.25 I don't think that's your issue. What's your skill level like in general? If you can land bolts on flatground kickflips you are most likely capable of doing it. You could be flicking your board ahead of you, or leaning back slightly too much. If you land rigid also that's going to be more force than if you bend with the landing.
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ok...so update...I managed to do a couple last week landed bolts...took your advice, and think I was leaning back a bit. I forced myself to stay over the board when getting close to the ledge and it helped keep everything under my feet. Also...WB got nothing to do with it...I did it on my Chico deck which is 14 WB, so obviously not WB dependent.

next I gotta try and do shuvs off stuff...and pop higher on kickflips

Hell yeah! I rarely skate off of stuff so I respect you going for it. Happy to hear you got them
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 22, 2021, 04:49:22 AM
I really want to get tailslides, mine are fucking garbage at best.

Also I watched Justin Brock’s since day one part and realized I want frontside bigspins. Got close on a few, but I want them popped proper.

I know these are simple tasks, but I’m a simple man.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 22, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
I really want to get tailslides, mine are fucking garbage at best.

Also I watched Justin Brock’s since day one part and realized I want frontside bigspins. Got close on a few, but I want them popped proper.

I know these are simple tasks, but I’m a simple man.

This trick never makes any sense for me. Although fs shuvs are probably my safest trick. Anyone has some tips how to spin the board and keep it under me?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on February 22, 2021, 10:45:09 AM
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I really want to get tailslides, mine are fucking garbage at best.

Also I watched Justin Brock’s since day one part and realized I want frontside bigspins. Got close on a few, but I want them popped proper.

I know these are simple tasks, but I’m a simple man.
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This trick never makes any sense for me. Although fs shuvs are probably my safest trick. Anyone has some tips how to spin the board and keep it under me?

I can do these on flat but not switch ones, which is apparently weird (never cared to learn switch ones though I think its pretty whatever). I put my back foot in the pocket in a duck foot position (so I'm regular and if I'm standing on my board shoulders parallel to board, my right foot is kinda pointing in the 1 or 2 oclock position.

Try to keep your trucks level, not leaning heel or toe side, and give it an aggressive pop in the front shuv direction.

Try to imagine the pop making the board spin really quickly in your head if that makes sense. You know how if you try to pop a big pop shuvit you kinda imagine/expect the board to spin slowly and come up kinda high. Whereas if you pop a nice back bigspin or 3shuv(if anyone still does those lol) you naturally pre-visualize the board spinning a lot quicker and closer to the ground. If the board spins slow like a nice front shuv it wont work, it has to be zippy like a quick back bigspin. This requires a lot of experimentation with foot positioning, weight distribution and how you pop/scoop.
 
In terms of weight distribution, don't lean too far back, have some weight over your front foot. I don't really wind my shoulders, just have them facing forward, pop/scoop and jump like a motherfucker, though some people may do it differently idk.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: gaunting on February 23, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
about 30 minutes ago I learned how to roll my ankle on a backside flip off a bump.&#129318;&#127996;‍♂️&#128517;
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 23, 2021, 02:27:11 PM
Fakie 5050 switch shuv.

Day before yesterday I was popping out of them enough but the park was snowy. Also there was a real trick being filmed at the time.

Nollie inward heel nose manny.

I just scored a tripod and I haven't posted a clip in a while. If I find a filmer I'll do one in a line.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 23, 2021, 02:50:03 PM
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I really want to get tailslides, mine are fucking garbage at best.

Also I watched Justin Brock’s since day one part and realized I want frontside bigspins. Got close on a few, but I want them popped proper.

I know these are simple tasks, but I’m a simple man.
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This trick never makes any sense for me. Although fs shuvs are probably my safest trick. Anyone has some tips how to spin the board and keep it under me?

I have tip for this.
Dc 
Sw fr big is my go to turn around trick.

The secret bro controling this is the back foot and how you set up and kick it.

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Ok so I line up my front foot heel will the edge of the board


(https://i.ibb.co/3Y6LBN7/16141198921248172077773405553468.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3Y6LBN7)

Back foot I dig my heel into it inside the wb on flat because I don't gotta pop it high.

 (https://i.ibb.co/rQ17qgD/16141200647823666817418325063921.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rQ17qgD)

The heel foxing on my shoe is like a track for the edge of my board. I kick it forward to my other foot.

Almost like I'm going to do a leprechaun heel clicking dance. But I trap the board beyond 270 put it down.

If you lift your heel an don't wind up your body you can do a kiwi flip like this.


(https://i.ibb.co/6tPF7Wh/16141203342566007712264023684125.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6tPF7Wh)

I like switch ones. If you're getting on to something go more to the tip of the tail and lift your front foot higher.

But the board is going to go away from you if you don't kick it were you want it to go. The other foot or at a ledge or whatever.

Hope this helps.

The heel dug in method feels like throwing a ball to a dog with one of those cup sticks vs no heel feels like regular throwing if that makes any sense?

Leverage for your feets is increase inside the WB.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 04, 2021, 04:25:02 AM
Pretty rare move in the grand scheme of things but I sort of figured out a trick to step hop frontside lipslides on ledges which may or may not help people trying that trick, or maybe even normal front lips. Basically I used to be able to pop into those on benches years ago (inspired by Pontus and Gonz) but could never really commit to jumping back onto the board for the slide because of how awkward the motion is when you pop that way and try to rotate into position all the while guiding the board around with the back foot (it's a bit scary but also very tempting to overturn if you're used to 43's, causing you to miss the ledge). So I ditched them forever until just the other day when I skated a small street gap to curb (more like a little island) that was sort of calling for that trick, obstacle height was level with the run-up so at first I'd try and cheat them by step hopping like I would do to almost clear the whole island and land on the road, just at a diagonal angle and clipping the wheels upon landing. In the end it sort of worked and I got a few unexpected legit ones using my shoulders and properly locked in, held and slid (well I also ate shit a few times), like that cheater's approach actually taught me how the trick is supposed to work and feel. I guess it's sort of similar to how some people treat noseblunts by approaching them head on or from the wrong side even, but for some reason I had never really thought of applying that logic to the learning of new lipslide tricks myself. One more fun game to play, I guess. (Maybe that's not the right thread, but I didn't know where to post this)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 05, 2021, 08:43:07 AM
So I watched Jamie Foys berries thing about FS crooks and I gave it a shot today going slow as hell on a small ledge. I was kinda suprised how easy they worked out. I just stalled a bunch on a curb and tinkered with the foot placement for a few minutes. For me the key was, straight on approach pretty close to the ledge, toes hanging off like a bs heel, and foot like  3-4” behind, just in front of the middle of the board. I’ve done them before on one session and couldn’t do them again, but today I landed one in like 10 tries and did about 5 total.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMCzegThqHuztW73SuE-5Zz-Pnrxz1NDO7zolE0/?igshid=1bvjut3mrp1en
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on March 05, 2021, 11:39:49 AM
So I watched Jamie Foys berries thing about FS crooks and I gave it a shot today going slow as hell on a small ledge. I was kinda suprised how easy they worked out. I just stalled a bunch on a curb and tinkered with the foot placement for a few minutes. For me the key was, straight on approach pretty close to the ledge, toes hanging off like a bs heel, and foot like  3-4” behind, just in front of the middle of the board. I’ve done them before on one session and couldn’t do them again, but today I landed one in like 10 tries and did about 5 total.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMCzegThqHuztW73SuE-5Zz-Pnrxz1NDO7zolE0/?igshid=1bvjut3mrp1en

Looks real good! I think when I get in properly I can hold the pinch pretty well, have done a few acceptable nollie ones here and there, those are much easier to lock into. But for some reason when trying a regular one, I kinda do the same thing you described (maybe less exaggerated foot positioning but same idea), but I'll either end up in a front nose or nose manual on top of the ledge which is the scariest shit ever. Just can't commit and get exactly into a front crook 95% of the time.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: VHS ERA on March 05, 2021, 05:37:23 PM
Nollie heel
Front crook
Fakie tailslide either way
Front heel

Tips welcomed
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fakie nollie on March 05, 2021, 05:47:43 PM
Honestly, improving pop.

I got my basics back but noticed a complete lack of wide mobility with my legs. This caused me to start developing some shit style and flicks that were way too fast.

Bought some road cones of different heights today and spent an hour ollieing/switch ollieing over them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on March 05, 2021, 06:28:44 PM
Nollie heel
Front crook
Fakie tailslide either way
Front heel

Tips welcomed

For fakie tail (the nollie front nose lookin way), you don't have to turn much, definitely feels like you only turn like 45 degrees, just do a solid fakie ollie and gently place your tail on the ledge, try to look backwards, dont twist your body too much by trying to look the direction you're going, and it should slide pretty well and you should be able to come back out to fakie.

Fakie tail (the nollie back nose lookin way) was a bit trickier for me. What helped was going fast, popping a solid fakie ollie. When I roll up, before I pop, I kind of have my weight evenly distributed, probably more weight on my non popping foot than when I do the other fakie tail where I don't think about weight distribution as much. After I pop I put all my weight over the popping foot so I can lock it into a good slide. I also really focus on sliding my non popping foot to level out the board well so that the tail doesn't hit the ledge on the way up. Sorry thats kind of a mouthful but hopefully you get what I mean.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LordManHammer on March 05, 2021, 08:03:37 PM
Not so much one trick as opposed a 3 piece of a line.

I run up kickflip up a 2 stair front 180 losi grind on a ledge to regular then a mean fs shuv down a 4 stair or a 360 flip down said stair set.

It's the middle part  I get upset at myself for not being committed to.landing or it's half-assed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: VHS ERA on March 06, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
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Nollie heel
Front crook
Fakie tailslide either way
Front heel

Tips welcomed
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For fakie tail (the nollie front nose lookin way), you don't have to turn much, definitely feels like you only turn like 45 degrees, just do a solid fakie ollie and gently place your tail on the ledge, try to look backwards, dont twist your body too much by trying to look the direction you're going, and it should slide pretty well and you should be able to come back out to fakie.

Fakie tail (the nollie back nose lookin way) was a bit trickier for me. What helped was going fast, popping a solid fakie ollie. When I roll up, before I pop, I kind of have my weight evenly distributed, probably more weight on my non popping foot than when I do the other fakie tail where I don't think about weight distribution as much. After I pop I put all my weight over the popping foot so I can lock it into a good slide. I also really focus on sliding my non popping foot to level out the board well so that the tail doesn't hit the ledge on the way up. Sorry thats kind of a mouthful but hopefully you get what I mean.

I’ll try these tips out because I do struggle with getting the board up onto the ledge on these, even though I technically can pop sufficiently high
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 06, 2021, 02:20:07 PM
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So I watched Jamie Foys berries thing about FS crooks and I gave it a shot today going slow as hell on a small ledge. I was kinda suprised how easy they worked out. I just stalled a bunch on a curb and tinkered with the foot placement for a few minutes. For me the key was, straight on approach pretty close to the ledge, toes hanging off like a bs heel, and foot like  3-4” behind, just in front of the middle of the board. I’ve done them before on one session and couldn’t do them again, but today I landed one in like 10 tries and did about 5 total.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMCzegThqHuztW73SuE-5Zz-Pnrxz1NDO7zolE0/?igshid=1bvjut3mrp1en
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Looks real good! I think when I get in properly I can hold the pinch pretty well, have done a few acceptable nollie ones here and there, those are much easier to lock into. But for some reason when trying a regular one, I kinda do the same thing you described (maybe less exaggerated foot positioning but same idea), but I'll either end up in a front nose or nose manual on top of the ledge which is the scariest shit ever. Just can't commit and get exactly into a front crook 95% of the time.

Dude same boat. I’ve done a few nollie in the past even switch but it Ollie-ing in eluded me forever. I haven’t tried one since hopefully this wasn’t a fluke planning to skate later we will see.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: OldCandy on March 06, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
backside flips, either its rocketed or it does a weird hospital flip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 06, 2021, 04:25:46 PM
Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on March 06, 2021, 08:02:08 PM
Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.

If its going into noseslide maybe try to tweak it less and have it slightly straighter like a nosegrind I guess. That and just maintaining pressure on the heel to hold the pinch.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on March 07, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
Any tips with fs wallrides? I've been trying to learn them on jersey barriers but I think I'm taking too sharp of an approach angle and can't seem to figure out weight distro and what to do with my back foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 07, 2021, 10:05:21 AM
Any tips with fs wallrides? I've been trying to learn them on jersey barriers but I think I'm taking too sharp of an approach angle and can't seem to figure out weight distro and what to do with my back foot.

On straight walls I can only ollie into them, the bash and turn technique is too violent for me but in both cases it seems that your shoulders lead the trick and so they should be rather open to prepare for the ride away. When I was a kid I used to try and treat them like sort of vertical frontside 50-50's which would allow me to ride the wall fine but then I'd always bail on the dismount because my weight wasn't distributed properly for the continuity of the trick, nowadays I just pretend I'm doing a frontside ollie on something super steep and try to catch the wall at the peak and ride it on the way down, which feels sometimes good and sometimes cheap depending on how much weight you get to put. In a way, you have to plan your trajectory not just into the wallride but also out of it from the start. Similarly for a frontside wallride nollie out, you just pretend you're doing a front nose on an imaginary ledge that is the wall. Wallride to fakies probably really help for both of these.

On banked shit though, the bash and turn way is 100% back foot positioning and action (paired up with proper shoulder lead) with your front foot only serving as a guide (picture a compass), it's essentially a quick, sharp frontside pivot in the middle of something steep. Back foot has to be prepared for the turn all the way throughout the maneuver and so better be pointing a certain way that feels right the whole time, you'll know the spot when you find it. I guess on vertical things they're the same, just more brutal and I'm so lazy, man.

Also a fun one I like reminding people of occasionally is the nollie wallride (think Paulo Diaz).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on March 07, 2021, 10:16:38 AM
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Any tips with fs wallrides? I've been trying to learn them on jersey barriers but I think I'm taking too sharp of an approach angle and can't seem to figure out weight distro and what to do with my back foot.
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On straight walls I can only ollie into them, the bash and turn technique is too violent for me but in both cases it seems that your shoulders lead the trick and so they should be rather open to prepare for the ride away. When I was a kid I used to try and treat them like sort of vertical frontside 50-50's which would allow me to ride the wall fine but then I'd always bail on the dismount because my weight wasn't distributed properly for the continuity of the trick, nowadays I just pretend I'm doing a frontside ollie on something super steep and try to catch the wall at the peak and ride it on the way down, which feels sometimes good and sometimes cheap depending on how much weight you get to put. In a way, you have to plan your trajectory not just into the wallride but also out of it from the start. Similarly for a frontside wallride nollie out, you just pretend you're doing a front nose on an imaginary ledge that is the wall. Wallride to fakies probably really help for both of these.

On banked shit though, the bash and turn way is 100% back foot positioning and action (paired up with proper shoulder lead) with your front foot only serving as a guide, it's essentially a quick, sharp frontside pivot in the middle of something steep. Back foot has to be prepared for the turn all the way through it and so better be pointing a certain way that feels right, you'll know the spot when you find it. I guess on vertical things they're the same, just more brutal and I'm so lazy, man.

Also a fun one I like reminding people of occasionally is the nollie wallride (think Paulo Diaz).


Solid advice, per usual!

I love bs nollie wallrides and they definitely feel like trying to back nose the wall, so I can see how that method would translate to the fs version. Tbh I may give up on true fs wallrides and opt for the nollie version, Max Palmer makes ek look like a lotta fun.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 07, 2021, 10:23:20 AM
Wallride nollie is fun but I did mean nollies into wallride, especially backside those are stupid easy and fun, and indeed they do feel like going for a nollie back tail on a ledge with no top. Wouldn't give up on frontside wallrides if I were you, especially if you have access to a Jersey barrier which is probably the optimal obstacle to learn that trick on - it's a shit ton of fun and once you've gotten the gist of it it's quite versatile, it sort of enables you to hop onto anything on your way while cruising around if so you feel like trying on a good legs day. I edited my former message while you were posting to add some more tips, if you go back to learn your trick I think the compass comparison should really help, you 'stall' on the back truck and draw a semi circle with your front leg while opening your shoulders ahead of the trick.

2:53 may be a good example to study (this part in general really is a good study, in fact):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFsaT3N8PM8

Good luck, this one is worth your time!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 07, 2021, 06:34:26 PM
Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.

I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on March 07, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Popped out crooks are the best, as are balanced BS 5-0s, nice work!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ziad on March 07, 2021, 11:02:08 PM
how to make friends
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on March 07, 2021, 11:04:22 PM
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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This is sick. Got any tips for switch crooks? You've got a good one. Never really practiced them, I can do em just very poorly.

Very rarely lock in and sit on it correctly, either truck gets in the right spot and my body isn't over it correctly or the truck misses/locks funny. Also very awkward to actually pop out and not turn out 180. I can hold switch slappy crooks pretty indefinitely and have all the other switch backside tricks so I feel like I should put some time into these.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 08, 2021, 12:43:53 PM
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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This is what I'm talking about right here.  I started to get the feel for sitting on a crooks for longer at the park yesterday, just how you said, by standing a bit more on my toes as soon as the truck hit the coping and then playing with my weight. Seems obvious in hindsight, since less heel drag=longer grinds and slides pretty much no matter what.  Eventually everything started working and I was popping out of them by the end of the session.  Now I just want to get out there and do some real long ones off the end of this 30-40 foot long, gently curved ledge from about halfway.  I think it's possible with a decent amount of speed and some wax, but I skate pretty fast anyway so missing the pinch and going ass over elbows from slipping on some kind of fucked up pseudo-nosegrind (which I sometimes do anyway) freaks me out. 

Those back 5-0s are looking sexy, too.  Textbook shit.  Makes me want to get them like that, since I usually drag my tail and have my nose angled over the ledge like some sort of dumpy ass salad grind.   
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on March 08, 2021, 02:15:59 PM
Anyone got tips for kickflip back nosepick on a quarter? I’ve almost reeled a couple in but can’t get the lock in consistent. It either just goes to axle stall or slips down into disaster.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 08, 2021, 08:11:03 PM
Thank you for the positive comments pals  :). That session was a huge win for me mentally as I have been getting so bummed on both of these tricks recently, spending entire sessions trying them only to either not land one, or to land like one or two shitty ones. These are both tricks I have had fairly good most of my skate life, but seem to come and go over the past year or so.
 
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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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This is sick. Got any tips for switch crooks? You've got a good one. Never really practiced them, I can do em just very poorly.

Very rarely lock in and sit on it correctly, either truck gets in the right spot and my body isn't over it correctly or the truck misses/locks funny. Also very awkward to actually pop out and not turn out 180. I can hold switch slappy crooks pretty indefinitely and have all the other switch backside tricks so I feel like I should put some time into these.

Switch crooks is kind of the same story for me, I actually tried a few this same day and landed 2 super shitty ones but couldn't get even one decent one (gave up due to sore legs). I can do them and its one of my favorites but it seems like I can never have Reg and Switch crooks consistently at the same time. As soon as one comes back the other goes haha. I struggle the most with locking in properly (as with reg crooks). Best advice I can give is just to put in time trying them, especially if you can already do them just not consistently, having the sloppy version was going to be my first tip but looks like your good there. I can do Slappy switch crooks fairly easy as well. The issues I tend to have doing them on a ledge is my foot sliding off when I lock in, locking in properly and just sticking, locking in good but leaned too far back and slipping out or not getting the board onto the ledge at all. After 10-20 tries I usually sort this problem out and get a handful of good ones but shit it takes so much effort haha. For me its way harder to come out forward, I can pop out in the middle no issues back to switch, but even when I have them I can't sit on them like I can regular ones. But it's usually because Im not locking in/grinding them consistently.

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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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This is what I'm talking about right here.  I started to get the feel for sitting on a crooks for longer at the park yesterday, just how you said, by standing a bit more on my toes as soon as the truck hit the coping and then playing with my weight. Seems obvious in hindsight, since less heel drag=longer grinds and slides pretty much no matter what.  Eventually everything started working and I was popping out of them by the end of the session.  Now I just want to get out there and do some real long ones off the end of this 30-40 foot long, gently curved ledge from about halfway.  I think it's possible with a decent amount of speed and some wax, but I skate pretty fast anyway so missing the pinch and going ass over elbows from slipping on some kind of fucked up pseudo-nosegrind (which I sometimes do anyway) freaks me out. 

Those back 5-0s are looking sexy, too.  Textbook shit.  Makes me want to get them like that, since I usually drag my tail and have my nose angled over the ledge like some sort of dumpy ass salad grind.   

I know exactly what you mean and I'm glad I could help out. Im trying to push myself to skate a bit faster as I feel like I creep at everything, mostly due to a lack of confidence, especially with crooks. I want to just charge them and sit on this whole ledge but its terrifying when I don't lock in properly hauling ass haha. Baby steps though, we will get there.

I have a theory about my consistent regression and think its mainly due to not skating enough and being in poor shape. I get shin splints really often, and that makes skating way harder, thus keeping me from skating as often as I'd like, thus losing all my tricks, killing my confidence its a vicious cycle haha. I'm on a regimen though eating better, stretching/exercising and Ive skated every day for the past 6 days for at least 30 mins.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 08, 2021, 08:15:49 PM
how to make friends

x2 I'm bad about just putting in no effort to make friends and just go skate by myself 90% of the time
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on March 10, 2021, 08:14:36 AM
Got absolutely worked trying fakie 360 shuvs on the weekend.

It's a trick that's always been a gap for me, find them far easier nollie... decided to put some work in, and i eventually "landed" 4 or 5, but kept landing too far back on the board and slipping out on the tail everytime, for some reason I can't seem to jump forward as I pop on these like i do with nollie ones.

I've totally tweaked my lower back out on one of the banana peel slams, gonna be off the board a couple weeks at least - before I consign this trick to the blacklist for good, any easy tips to eliminate landing on the tail and sliding out like a cartoon?

It pissed me right off as I almost never slide out on the tail on any trick, fakie or otherwise, but for some reason this trick just has me.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 10, 2021, 09:54:56 AM
Got absolutely worked trying fakie 360 shuvs on the weekend.

It's a trick that's always been a gap for me, find them far easier nollie... decided to put some work in, and i eventually "landed" 4 or 5, but kept landing too far back on the board and slipping out on the tail everytime, for some reason I can't seem to jump forward as I pop on these like i do with nollie ones.

I've totally tweaked my lower back out on one of the banana peel slams, gonna be off the board a couple weeks at least - before I consign this trick to the blacklist for good, any easy tips to eliminate landing on the tail and sliding out like a cartoon?

It pissed me right off as I almost never slide out on the tail on any trick, fakie or otherwise, but for some reason this trick just has me.

You're probably leaning over your nose without realizing it or there's something in general that's wrong with your distribution (but leaning over the nose seems like a common mistake) and so you're off balance throughout the trick except it only manifests itself when you land. For this trick I just focus on keeping my weight centered over the middle of my board (leaning on the popping leg maybe even), and just like you I'm confident in my nollie 360 shoves so I usually pretend like I'm doing one of those instead, just mirrored. Keep your upper body upright too and watch that you aren't doing anything funny with your shoulders. You shouldn't blacklist that trick in my opinion, it's a fun one and it really opens the door to fakie 360 flips (which may be easier depending on who you ask so that's if you don't have those yet).

Brutal slams where you slip out and eat shit out of nowhere are the worst (side note but I think backside 360 ollies are a particularly bad offender at first), hope you get better soon and conquer that demon.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hmmmm Nice Bike on March 11, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
Trying to re-learn 360 flips, I can do them still but now I have to put in way more effort than before just to land them and I'm nowhere near consistent at them anymore.

Also, oddly enough I've noticed they're easier to do fakie for whatever reason and I can land them that way more often and with less effort.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: matty_c on March 11, 2021, 09:58:15 PM
Fucking pushing, man. My pushing ankle feels ruined but I’m sure it will come good in a month or so
Can’t ollie yet but I can make my way around the park and fs flip still worked so that’s nice

I met a nice young bloke at the park and I caught myself staring at his good young legs and his ollie

Little bastard I would eat your heart and marrow if I thought it would help my situation
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 11, 2021, 10:51:55 PM
Trying to re-learn 360 flips, I can do them still but now I have to put in way more effort than before just to land them and I'm nowhere near consistent at them anymore.

Also, oddly enough I've noticed they're easier to do fakie for whatever reason and I can land them that way more often and with less effort.

Maybe try adjusting your back foot placement ever so slightly as to toy around with how the rebound on your pop has your board react. My 360 flips used to always come and go and it took me a long time to grasp why but now I think as a skater with short legs, for me this trick is rather set-up dependent which means on every different deck shape I'll have to experiment a bit and find that sweet spot in the corner of the tail every time. Otherwise I don't change anything to my technique, just some trial and error on where to really scoop and once I find it the trick is back, at least till the next change in shape. On some the trick just works with a minimal amount of thinking, on some others it takes a bit more investment. Truck looseness also plays quite a big role.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on March 17, 2021, 04:58:30 PM
Bs flips, always smack up my shins trying these
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 20, 2021, 03:08:09 AM
Haven't exactly really tried so far, but I really feel like learning this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VNazKO6qWE

I have good sweepers and on the right obstacle I think it could work well but holding that position on the grind on anything as slick as metal coping and then reentry feels a bit scary, and I guess ideally you want to hold it.

Somehow I can already picture @johnes doing it on a parking block!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 24, 2021, 02:04:04 PM
Anyone know the secret to doing proper bs feebles on ledges, where they're kind of tipped toeside and the one wheel just glides on top of the ledge?  I love bs feebles on flatbars and I want them on more stuff.   
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 25, 2021, 12:14:19 PM
I been doing nothing but bs flips more or less. I want to do this flat gap at sunset at the beach. It's hard to find someone to film.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 25, 2021, 04:40:16 PM
Thank you for the positive comments pals  :). That session was a huge win for me mentally as I have been getting so bummed on both of these tricks recently, spending entire sessions trying them only to either not land one, or to land like one or two shitty ones. These are both tricks I have had fairly good most of my skate life, but seem to come and go over the past year or so.
 
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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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This is sick. Got any tips for switch crooks? You've got a good one. Never really practiced them, I can do em just very poorly.

Very rarely lock in and sit on it correctly, either truck gets in the right spot and my body isn't over it correctly or the truck misses/locks funny. Also very awkward to actually pop out and not turn out 180. I can hold switch slappy crooks pretty indefinitely and have all the other switch backside tricks so I feel like I should put some time into these.
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Switch crooks is kind of the same story for me, I actually tried a few this same day and landed 2 super shitty ones but couldn't get even one decent one (gave up due to sore legs). I can do them and its one of my favorites but it seems like I can never have Reg and Switch crooks consistently at the same time. As soon as one comes back the other goes haha. I struggle the most with locking in properly (as with reg crooks). Best advice I can give is just to put in time trying them, especially if you can already do them just not consistently, having the sloppy version was going to be my first tip but looks like your good there. I can do Slappy switch crooks fairly easy as well. The issues I tend to have doing them on a ledge is my foot sliding off when I lock in, locking in properly and just sticking, locking in good but leaned too far back and slipping out or not getting the board onto the ledge at all. After 10-20 tries I usually sort this problem out and get a handful of good ones but shit it takes so much effort haha. For me its way harder to come out forward, I can pop out in the middle no issues back to switch, but even when I have them I can't sit on them like I can regular ones. But it's usually because Im not locking in/grinding them consistently.

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Anyone got any tips for holding crooked grinds for a long time without going into a noseslide or sticking on the wheel? Right now they’re like a speed trick for me, where I haul ass and do them for max eight or so feet before coming off the end of the ledge. I want to stretch them out so I can be a dude pushing 40 pretending I’m Tom Snape or something.
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I came here to post my progress on BS Crooks and BS 5-0's. I have had a bad time lately with BS Crooks (and 5-0's), until yesterday. just not locking in for either one. With 5-0s I would put down immediately to a 50-50 and with crooks id lock in like 2/10 tries.  Out of no where I got them both back idk why but Im not questioning it.

To hang on to crooks longer, what works for me is being on my toes as soon as I lock in with my head just behind the nose weight all in the pocket of the nose but leaning slightly back. Once I lock in I just try not to move, hang on until Im almost out of speed and pop out. I did a few today in my post below. Not the longest ones ever, but I was stoked as I haven't landed one over 2ft in over 6 months.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMH8WkzhC1w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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This is what I'm talking about right here.  I started to get the feel for sitting on a crooks for longer at the park yesterday, just how you said, by standing a bit more on my toes as soon as the truck hit the coping and then playing with my weight. Seems obvious in hindsight, since less heel drag=longer grinds and slides pretty much no matter what.  Eventually everything started working and I was popping out of them by the end of the session.  Now I just want to get out there and do some real long ones off the end of this 30-40 foot long, gently curved ledge from about halfway.  I think it's possible with a decent amount of speed and some wax, but I skate pretty fast anyway so missing the pinch and going ass over elbows from slipping on some kind of fucked up pseudo-nosegrind (which I sometimes do anyway) freaks me out. 

Those back 5-0s are looking sexy, too.  Textbook shit.  Makes me want to get them like that, since I usually drag my tail and have my nose angled over the ledge like some sort of dumpy ass salad grind.   
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I know exactly what you mean and I'm glad I could help out. Im trying to push myself to skate a bit faster as I feel like I creep at everything, mostly due to a lack of confidence, especially with crooks. I want to just charge them and sit on this whole ledge but its terrifying when I don't lock in properly hauling ass haha. Baby steps though, we will get there.

I have a theory about my consistent regression and think its mainly due to not skating enough and being in poor shape. I get shin splints really often, and that makes skating way harder, thus keeping me from skating as often as I'd like, thus losing all my tricks, killing my confidence its a vicious cycle haha. I'm on a regimen though eating better, stretching/exercising and Ive skated every day for the past 6 days for at least 30 mins.

Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on March 28, 2021, 12:40:41 PM
I found this really low ironclad stairstep that is great for learning new grind variations so this weekend I rolled away from my very first fakie FS 50/50s and nollie FS 50/50s. There's room for improvement stylewise but it was dope. I also came close to rolling away from FS 180 to switch 50/50s and pop shuv to FS 50/50s. I am also working on 5-0s (got a few but sketchy). I even more or less managed a few gross backside 50/50s but this one is going to take a lot of work, it just does not sit right with me.

It's fun and I even dream of getting back one of my signature tricks I did in the 90s: Kickflip to front 50/50.  ;D
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on March 29, 2021, 01:55:27 AM
Getting more confident skating a medium tall ledge, I can't handle low ledges probably because I power pop all my tricks and don't control my pop as well.

That said, anyone have these 3 tricks?
Fakie BS Tail (the one that looks like a Nollie Noseslide)
Fakie FS 5-0
Fakie FS Crook

I know I just need to start trying it, but the thought of popping up fakie and balancing on the back (or front) truck feels like I'm going to stick or my board is going to shoot out from under me especially on FS 5-0 and Crook.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on March 29, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
Getting more confident skating a medium tall ledge, I can't handle low ledges probably because I power pop all my tricks and don't control my pop as well.

That said, anyone have these 3 tricks?
Fakie BS Tail (the one that looks like a Nollie Noseslide)
Fakie FS 5-0
Fakie FS Crook

I know I just need to start trying it, but the thought of popping up fakie and balancing on the back (or front) truck feels like I'm going to stick or my board is going to shoot out from under me especially on FS 5-0 and Crook.

For fakie tails I posted this a few pages back I think (also they both look like nollie nose lol):

For the nollie front nose lookin way, you don't have to turn much, definitely feels like you only turn like 45 degrees, just do a solid fakie ollie and gently place your tail on the ledge, try to look backwards, dont twist your body too much by trying to look the direction you're going, and it should slide pretty well and you should be able to come back out to fakie. (you'll need this one for fakie fs crook btw)

Fakie tail (the nollie back nose lookin way) was a bit trickier for me. What helped was going fast, popping a solid fakie ollie. When I roll up, before I pop, I kind of have my weight evenly distributed, probably more weight on my non popping foot than when I do the other fakie tail where I don't think about weight distribution as much. After I pop I put all my weight over the popping foot so I can lock it into a good slide. I also really focus on sliding my non popping foot to level out the board well so that the tail doesn't hit the ledge on the way up. Sorry thats kind of a mouthful but hopefully you get what I mean.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cucktard on March 30, 2021, 01:19:25 AM
Slappy smiths, both ways.

I have my regular slappies down, now I’m trying to slap into these guys. Is the foot placement much different? The angle of approach?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on March 31, 2021, 05:39:39 AM
Trying to learn balanced back and front 5-0's I can do both but usually dragging the tail. Also trying to get nollie inward heels on lock I landed my first one yesterday after about 10-15 minutes of working at them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 09, 2021, 10:29:10 PM
Not really a trick, but looking for advice to get better board control. Lately I feel like I can’t land with my feet in the right positions on tricks (ledges) or manuals. I’m pretty sure I know the answer which is work on flip tricks more (I often have sessions where I don’t do one). I feel like my feet slide to the wrong spot often idk how to describe it better. All that to say general advice on getting better board control.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on April 11, 2021, 10:06:15 AM
I found this low/mid-height flatbar in the city which is perfect for boardslides but it has a right angle on both ends. This means I have to learn yanking the board out of the slide to get back down. The tricky thing is to slide in the right position to have enough leverage to put down the back foot enough to lift the front truck over the bar and at the same time turn the board with the front foot. Tried it about 100 times this weekend and sometimes got pretty close, but no cigar (yet).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on April 12, 2021, 06:25:41 AM
Anyone got any skate-hacks for inward heels? (fakie or regular, although I'm liable to get them fakie first).

Spent a solid chunk of time trying to learn them this past weekend, I can get the flip but i'm struggling to get the full 180 shuv rotation.

I did manage to learn half cab heels, for whatever reason I find it a lot easier when you go with the board.

Also spent a good hour trying to get varial heels, i can get the full rotation trying them fakie and even land one foot, but for the life of me, the board is still ending up way ahead of me so I can only catch it with my front foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 12, 2021, 06:52:16 AM
Anyone got any skate-hacks for inward heels? (fakie or regular, although I'm liable to get them fakie first).

Spent a solid chunk of time trying to learn them this past weekend, I can get the flip but i'm struggling to get the full 180 shuv rotation.

I did manage to learn half cab heels, for whatever reason I find it a lot easier when you go with the board.

Also spent a good hour trying to get varial heels, i can get the full rotation trying them fakie and even land one foot, but for the life of me, the board is still ending up way ahead of me so I can only catch it with my front foot.

For both inward and varial heel I tend to angle my front foot inwards, so that the heel is already resting on the concave (which is why the toes are hanging off) in the right position to just kick out when I pop in a direction that compensates for the one of the pop shove-it, and that instantly starts the flip. For varial heel I also angle my back foot in a way that's parallel to my front foot, for inward heel I don't really think about it and instead focus on getting more of a vertical, straight downwards pop (something I recently realized also really helps a shit ton on hardflips). Then your front foot lifts the board up with you and then kick out and so you might want to get comfortable with the idea of the board possibly going through your legs on that trick. That's probably why you're currently finding halfcab heelflips easier too, it's basically the same thing except you don't risk your crotch nearly as much by committing (turning with the board while extending your thigh is less scary than just kicking out and letting it come around). Since you got halfcab heels, maybe work on backside heelflips for a little while, it's a great feeling trick and will indirectly teach you how to shape a lot of fun stuff including inward heels. Staying over varial heels shouldn't be scary though, once you've figured out the ideal position you just sort of hop backwards as you pop and if you keep your shoulders aligned and centered throughout the trick then it all should unfold right under you.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on April 12, 2021, 09:06:12 AM
funny you should say that, I did semi credit card myself on one of the inward heel attempts!

Useful stuff though, i'll give it all a go next time i fall down the heelflip variation rabbit hole, thx :D
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 12, 2021, 10:23:31 AM
Working on BS Lipslides on a low ledge, the rails at my local part are either too short (4ft) or too tall for me to feel comfortable trying a new trick on. Managed to slide a very short distance and flop off the edge. I attribute this to popping too hard and getting too high above the ledge, so I slam in hard and lose all my speed. A buddy of mine who was working on the same trick managed to get some nice locked in ones with his front truck almost flush against the side of the angle iron.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LordManHammer on April 12, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
Kickflop to bs nose slide

 I got the kickflip dead on a ledge but when I’m trying to rollup in at say a 75• angle I either wimp out or I overshoot my board like over exaggerated kickflip and it goes to boardslide.

What the fuck is wrong with me?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on April 12, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
Kickflop to bs nose slide

 I got the kickflip dead on a ledge but when I’m trying to rollup in at say a 75• angle I either wimp out or I overshoot my board like over exaggerated kickflip and it goes to boardslide.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

I'm trying to figure these out too. What helped me a bit was really trying to get your body over your nose as soon as you flick. Pop further away from the ledge than you think you need to. It feels a bit like a frontside flip (though I don't really have those), and it helps me a bit when I really do an aggressive ankle flick.

Kickflip crook is easier for a lot of people, I found those a bit easier to lock into at first. I can do both going really really slow as stalls now, but with any reasonable amount of speed and expectation of slide/grind they go to shit. The boardslide thing happens a lot to me too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 13, 2021, 12:36:49 AM
Switch 540 powerslides; I pretty much have them on lock but I just need to get it to more of a fluid movement, at the moment it’s a switch 360 powerslide with an extra revert ...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ty evans hanes tee on April 13, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?

Commit breh haha
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: bigdave on April 13, 2021, 10:14:01 AM
Anything/Everything mini-ramp. At age 44 I feel like I may have waited too long.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on April 13, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
@bigdave - watch out for hippers - f'in kills.

Trying to Hardflip, dams its hard! (no pun intended)

And trying to resurrect my f/s varial heels.  Got closer other day using the tail - usually use the nose. Might be on to something.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: bigdave on April 13, 2021, 12:53:14 PM
@bigdave - watch out for hippers - f'in kills.

Literally wearing hockey pants while learning hard tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 13, 2021, 10:46:53 PM
Trying to Hardflip, dams its hard! (no pun intended)

Like I was just saying about inward heels, I figured out a trick that really works for me for hardflips just recently and it's to focus on what the back foot does. I usually nest it in a 360 flip type of position with the big toe on the toe-side pocket of the tail, front foot goes near the center of the board at a 45 degree angle with some of the heel hanging off (its position in the concave should feel right for you to use the tension and go for the flip as soon as you pop). So it's really comparable to a 360 flip position altogether - except with your shoulders a bit more open perhaps, to compensate for the direction of the flick being different - but then instead of sending your board backside/vertical, you aim for a mostly vertical/slightly frontside straight ollie kind of pop off the big toe where the rebound of the pocket of the tail against the ground has the side effect of your front foot sticking to the heel-side of the concave as you drag the board up. And then you add what really feels like a lateral flick; the flick on hardflips I find is nothing alike the one of kickflips or 360 flips where you're mostly kicking in front of you and through the nose, here you sort of have to make the conscious effort to send your leg almost straight to the side - once you feel the resistance of the concave against your toes as the board is going up, you really pretty much swipe through the flip. It should be a pretty early and explosive motion too, if you wait for the apex of the ollie to flick it's not going to work because by then you'll have wasted most of the tension you had been building up on the pocket of the tail and so you'll get exponentially less effective flips.

Weight distribution I feel is very unusual for this trick too (which is probably why a lot of people can find it awkward to do in general, or some straight up specialize in it once they've figured it out because it's so unique), when I do it it feels like I'm sitting pretty far back over the back bolts (upper body wide open, facing where I'm going) and then throughout the trick I actually don't really move all that much since the pop and jump are mostly vertical movement, with the exception of the lateral swipe of a flick that you've got to throw in early and compensate for by slightly strafing to the side if needed at first.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on April 14, 2021, 07:57:54 AM
@silhouette, thanks for the in detail analysis and explanation. Seems pretty spot on. Will try and apply some of that tonight if I make it out.

I watched a few you tube vids on it too. Gonna focus on the front foot side flick as youve mentioned. The Skate Hacks You tube vid was alright. The guy had some decent hardflips.

I find whenI do them now, or try to do them, the board pops up kinda high so I really gotta jump. Ill try and lay off the back foot a bit, to damper the pop, and strive for more of a side flick via front foot to get it to flip n turn. Sometimes I land, but board aint straight, kinda lands at 45 degrees.

And hopefully I can get those f/s varial heels too.



Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 14, 2021, 08:27:46 AM
Working on BS Lipslides on a low ledge, the rails at my local part are either too short (4ft) or too tall for me to feel comfortable trying a new trick on. Managed to slide a very short distance and flop off the edge. I attribute this to popping too hard and getting too high above the ledge, so I slam in hard and lose all my speed. A buddy of mine who was working on the same trick managed to get some nice locked in ones with his front truck almost flush against the side of the angle iron.

Landed 2 today after the trick has eluded me for close to 20 years. Speed, not popping too high and thinking of it as a BS 50-50 while slotting your back foot into the rotation. The more I committed to getting on and sliding, the easier it became. Shalom.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 14, 2021, 08:52:50 AM
@sbmfj my pleasure, I remember when I was a kid that trick and regular stance frontside flips were a complete nightmare to figure out, at least now there's all the info you need (and then some) online indeed.

I think this trick is supposed to pop kind of high actually, in fact the pop is so vertical for a split second (even on horizontal hardflips that end up looking like frontside varial kickflips - mine are like that), it's one of the rare tricks where I'll put most of my energy into it, the pop. Like, I'll make sure my foot positioning is correct and secure with the front foot where it needs to be to be ready to react (to be accurate, what works for me is to have the toes on my front foot in the very center of the board for this one), and then when I do pop it's straight down and hard, having your back foot in the pocket is what will cause the start of the f/s shove-it rotation and then also your front foot dragging the board over to the side - I'd say it briefly acts like a guide before you get to just brush off the concave with that lateral ankle flick. You have to jump but your movement doesn't have to take effort as long as it's accurate (that applies to all of skating to be honest), hence why the flick sort of feels like a light side step, and the whole trick (at least the horizontal way) almost feels like you're flinging it ahead of you before it comes back around and you can easily catch it, so if anything the worst thing you can do is hunching over your nose. I'd say maybe adjust your back foot positioning to figure out the sweetest spot on the corner of the tail that will allow you to get the full spin right even if that causes you to miss the flip and catch the board upside down, and then your front foot accordingly so that it directly reacts to the pop and does what it's supposed to once you flick off the side. If you're underrotating them then it sounds like the problem is in your pop, there's probably a way you could optimize your effort by really finding that sweet spot, and make sure your shoulders remain open too (you shouldn't throw them around like for a frontside flip is all, just face forward the whole time).

For varial heels I just gave some tips to Skatebeard earlier, that trick is a lot less awkward than hardflips, again it's all in the right foot positioning, you build tension in the pocket of the tail (heel-side this time), you pop a normal frontside pop shove-it this time with your shoulders always aligned and parallel with the board (don't turn your shoulders) and you kick out, extending your leg that way is a lot more natural than the opposite way for a hardflip. Angled front foot tip I gave Skatebeard still applies. In both cases though, focus on the pop/rotation/catch and then getting the full flip sort of comes second, I'm sure you'll get both in no time.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cucktard on April 15, 2021, 12:20:07 AM
Anything/Everything mini-ramp. At age 44 I feel like I may have waited too long.

Lots of kickturning and pumping to get the feel.
FS grinds are the old-man slappies of transition
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on April 24, 2021, 06:23:17 AM
How to get out of noseslides like this

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfmtY4Hgl1h/?igshid=27h6qlri92tx
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: WoodRat on April 24, 2021, 07:52:04 AM
Nose manuals
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 24, 2021, 08:31:25 AM
Back tails on  transition. My back tails stalls have become more consistent and I've slid a few tiny ones. Feels so damn good. I have to learn them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on April 25, 2021, 02:41:55 PM
I can’t take not knowing what bs tails feel like anymore. Gonna build myself a box and spend the next year figuring it out. There are 0 good ledge spots in my town, and none at the local skatepark so my ledge game has been neglected while living in this state. I have to drive kinda far to a really nice skatepark a few towns over. Was there today and saw this dude bs tail a waist high ledge over a little gap. Was jaw dropping, and dude was so casual about it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 25, 2021, 06:33:12 PM
I can’t take not knowing what bs tails feel like anymore. Gonna build myself a box and spend the next year figuring it out. There are 0 good ledge spots in my town, and none at the local skatepark so my ledge game has been neglected while living in this state. I have to drive kinda far to a really nice skatepark a few towns over. Was there today and saw this dude bs tail a waist high ledge over a little gap. Was jaw dropping, and dude was so casual about it.

Get your ass over here:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113553.msg3550252;boardseen#new
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 26, 2021, 11:47:44 AM
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Working on BS Lipslides on a low ledge, the rails at my local part are either too short (4ft) or too tall for me to feel comfortable trying a new trick on. Managed to slide a very short distance and flop off the edge. I attribute this to popping too hard and getting too high above the ledge, so I slam in hard and lose all my speed. A buddy of mine who was working on the same trick managed to get some nice locked in ones with his front truck almost flush against the side of the angle iron.
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Landed 2 today after the trick has eluded me for close to 20 years. Speed, not popping too high and thinking of it as a BS 50-50 while slotting your back foot into the rotation. The more I committed to getting on and sliding, the easier it became. Shalom.

One of my favorite tricks, I don’t do them much lately as I have developed a bit of a fobia of waxing the top of the ledge. Great for lipslides but makes everything else dangerous. I tried them on my last session without waxing, just tried to lean more on my front foot and slid a few but never rolled away.

The way you described how your doing it is pretty much how I do them, it’s a late rotation, slow and fluid. Love going fast and doing some long one on a good ledge or curb. Hardest part for me is landing with my back foot in the middle of the tail instead of the pocket, board always wants to flip when I do that. Need to get more consistent at popping out in the middle.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Space Monkey on April 26, 2021, 01:10:40 PM
I've been pushing myself more onto ledges recently and actually surprised myself with front 5050 front shuv out and front 180 out.
That being said, I can't for the life of me get onto backside 5050s- I have been getting stuck in bs crooks which just get stuck on the ledge.
Also trying to get slides to actually slide. I get the sad pivot/stall on the ledge when doing them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: loftie.1 on May 13, 2021, 07:12:24 PM
putting my flats into curb grinds. I managed to land a nollie big spin front side tail slappy on a crusty curb. felt cute.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on May 13, 2021, 08:09:20 PM
I've been pushing myself more onto ledges recently and actually surprised myself with front 5050 front shuv out and front 180 out.
That being said, I can't for the life of me get onto backside 5050s- I have been getting stuck in bs crooks which just get stuck on the ledge.
Also trying to get slides to actually slide. I get the sad pivot/stall on the ledge when doing them.

https://youtu.be/7bNGV2Mgx8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGmF1l0X3I&t=20s

All in the shoulders, if you're getting into crooks, its a matter of dragging your board to level your ollie and slapping that back truck in. Front foot guide the nose of the deck into the ledge, the back foot slots the back truck in for the rest of the ride.

Start with a slight angle and gradually reduce it the more comfortable you get with it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sbmfj on May 14, 2021, 07:29:15 AM
Crazy how important shoulders are in all of this. Silhouette helped me with hardflips, and it was mostly my shoulders. Been messing around with noseslides to krooks on ledges, and again all in the shouders.

A Locals at the spot broke it down quite well other day (for the noseslide to krooks) - Front shoulder should move down while the back shoulder moves up. add in a bit of a body 'twist' and youll kinda pop into the the Krooked from the noseslide.

Gonna try to re-attempts bs 360 ollies with the scoop, and more open shoulders. Id love to get the elusive back three, but I dunno.

Other day saw this kid at the spot, he was ok, having a a bit of a hard time on ledges and rocket kickflips, but boom, the nicest back 3's. So envious.



Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: coneklr on May 14, 2021, 11:23:11 AM
How to heal fucked up discs
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Space Monkey on May 14, 2021, 11:32:31 AM
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I've been pushing myself more onto ledges recently and actually surprised myself with front 5050 front shuv out and front 180 out.
That being said, I can't for the life of me get onto backside 5050s- I have been getting stuck in bs crooks which just get stuck on the ledge.
Also trying to get slides to actually slide. I get the sad pivot/stall on the ledge when doing them.
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All in the shoulders, if you're getting into crooks, its a matter of dragging your board to level your ollie and slapping that back truck in. Front foot guide the nose of the deck into the ledge, the back foot slots the back truck in for the rest of the ride.

Start with a slight angle and gradually reduce it the more comfortable you get with it.
I'll give it a shot this weekend.
Desk work + bad posture has fucked my shoulder, so I could see it making these harder.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: TastyBurrito on May 14, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
Anything/Everything mini-ramp. At age 44 I feel like I may have waited too long.

I'm there with you. Only I'm 35.

Dropping in — even on 3-ft — is still a big fucking scare to me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Youoverthere on May 14, 2021, 03:44:51 PM
Cab fakie manny
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on May 15, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
Spent years thinking backside 360s just weren’t possible for my body type, or I had missed the critical period in my childhood when my brain was more moldable to new techniques and information. I had tried everything up to that point to learn the scoop method to no success. I kinda learned them the pivot way but it looked absolutely disgusting and I felt even grosser doing them so I lost it really quickly.
  A long while later I realized I could naturally do the scoop method on switch backside 3s so it re ignited a fire in me to learn it regular. Still struggled until I watched a little kid do one down a double set on a pros insta story the other day. Immediately something clicked and I could scoop them perfectly full rotation. Now I’m just trying to commit to landing on the board everytime. I feel like Bobby D it’s great
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on May 16, 2021, 07:00:39 PM
do u guys just go out and just skate flat sometimes?

I try to skate flat but its like 15 minutes of not landing shit and I feel done. I mostly skate this ledge I built near my house so I can do some shit on a ledge and I'll throw in some of my go-to flatground before/after, but to this day i get embarrassed in games of skate against kids who can barely 5050.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on May 16, 2021, 07:14:34 PM
do u guys just go out and just skate flat sometimes?

I try to skate flat but its like 15 minutes of not landing shit and I feel done. I mostly skate this ledge I built near my house so I can do some shit on a ledge and I'll throw in some of my go-to flatground before/after, but to this day i get embarrassed in games of skate against kids who can barely 5050.

Are you me? I've got a decent ledge game, most of the basics. But I get wrecked at flatground, all my patience is channeled into ledge / rail and I have nothing left for flatground. Last week I blamed my shoes (vulc to cupsole), next week I'll blame my trucks.

But COVID lockdowns are picking up in my country, so flatground may be the only thing I have left to skate.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: TurdyBird on May 16, 2021, 09:27:59 PM
Half cab flips, and trying to get Tre flips more on lock. I also want bs heelflips real bad, and always get so close to.  I've been playing around too much on different sized set ups tho.

I honestly need to work on my grind game too. Gonna try to learn smiths and lips this summer. At least those two. Hopefully more.

I just started skating regularly a year ago after a long hiatus so, while I can't do all the tricks, I'm stoked at where I'm at right now.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on May 17, 2021, 11:57:15 PM
Half cab flips, and trying to get Tre flips more on lock. I also want bs heelflips real bad, and always get so close to.  I've been playing around too much on different sized set ups tho.

I honestly need to work on my grind game too. Gonna try to learn smiths and lips this summer. At least those two. Hopefully more.

I just started skating regularly a year ago after a long hiatus so, while I can't do all the tricks, I'm stoked at where I'm at right now.

Backside heelflip becomes dead easy (and really fun) once you figure out the secret, before you pop your torso has to be facing 45 degrees backwards as if in line with the hardware on your back truck diagonally, if you can picture a X connecting your bolts. Then when you pop you instantly turn the rest of your body too and just extend your leg as if you wanted to kick through the board during the motion and through that axis. Foot positioning is also important but not too subtle, personally for mine I angle both feet inwards compared to a straight heelflip where they would be perpendicular to board length, front foot rests with the heel in the concave and toes hanging off and back foot goes toe on the tip and center of the tail, you pop off the big toe in a way that your front foot positioning will react to. Regardless of technique and form, this trick typically feels like you literally just flop over (and into fakie stance), more so than most flip tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rawbertson. on May 18, 2021, 08:52:50 AM
switch flip and switch heel. got my switch ollies finally looking decent where im happy with it and the back foot is staying on the board and i am getting good % of my height.

on my sw flip/heel i either dont pop hard enough and the flip goes well, or i pop well and the flip only 1/2 flips. just trying to replicate the timing i do regular flips its just hard to process "automatically" i have to think about it a lot harder
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PrettyRicki on May 25, 2021, 10:52:10 AM
Been randomly throwing out nollie big spins (both ways) but haven't landed a decent one yet. It seems hard to get a decent pop and keep it under me at the same time :/
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: TurdyBird on May 25, 2021, 09:43:47 PM
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Half cab flips, and trying to get Tre flips more on lock. I also want bs heelflips real bad, and always get so close to.  I've been playing around too much on different sized set ups tho.

I honestly need to work on my grind game too. Gonna try to learn smiths and lips this summer. At least those two. Hopefully more.

I just started skating regularly a year ago after a long hiatus so, while I can't do all the tricks, I'm stoked at where I'm at right now.
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Backside heelflip becomes dead easy (and really fun) once you figure out the secret, before you pop your torso has to be facing 45 degrees backwards as if in line with the hardware on your back truck diagonally, if you can picture a X connecting your bolts. Then when you pop you instantly turn the rest of your body too and just extend your leg as if you wanted to kick through the board during the motion and through that axis. Foot positioning is also important but not too subtle, personally for mine I angle both feet inwards compared to a straight heelflip where they would be perpendicular to board length, front foot rests with the heel in the concave and toes hanging off and back foot goes toe on the tip and center of the tail, you pop off the big toe in a way that your front foot positioning will react to. Regardless of technique and form, this trick typically feels like you literally just flop over (and into fakie stance), more so than most flip tricks.

Thank you so much @silhouette !! Gonna land one this week!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on May 25, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
Front blunt on tall rail, I could do them on a shorter round bar but that was shin high. This one is just under knee height and fairly short at 6ft. Either I don't pop up high enough to lock my back truck, or I get up and over and my tail just grazes the rail instead of locking. Thinking about going way slower to focus on getting a solid lock first.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on May 26, 2021, 03:51:54 AM
Still trying to get consistent kickflips, I get them every now and then but I want them every try, or at least every second or third try.  ::)

Also fs noseslides sliding more than just a few millimeters.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: yeahisaidit on May 28, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
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Anyone have any tips on how to properly do bs 360's?
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Commit breh haha

I think of it as a 360 shove where my body jumps and turns 360 at the same time, instead of a backside 360 ollie. Unless you have enough board control and pop to do the back 180 late half cab, makes it more of digestible trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: baaaaaaguette on June 03, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on June 04, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
A basic FS 5-0 on your average skatepark height ledge. I think I’m close to getting them but finding it a lil hard to aim a lock-in to the ledge with only your back truck.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on June 04, 2021, 08:00:43 PM
Trying to relearn switch crooks, I moved up to a taller box and they are the one trick that didn't come with me
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Doodily on June 04, 2021, 08:18:05 PM
180 no-comply. Was re-learning kickflips but I rolled my ankle and was out for a month (body doesn't heal like it did 30 years ago). So these are kind of nice since there isn't a big commitment to landing them. Starting off slowly - stepping off, 180 pop, and hopping back on. Hope to put it all together, nice and flowy, over the next week or so.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 05, 2021, 09:58:18 PM
I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)

Well Lizard brains operate differently from human brains, numerous studies have shown.

Working up the nerve to BS 50-50 a flatbar at the park. I recently go BS Feebles back on them, trying to think about it the same way, but getting my front truck up and parallel. Ended up with scraped palm.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: RichardBarkley on June 06, 2021, 02:36:08 AM
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I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)
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Well Lizard brains operate differently from human brains, numerous studies have shown.

Working up the nerve to BS 50-50 a flatbar at the park. I recently go BS Feebles back on them, trying to think about it the same way, but getting my front truck up and parallel. Ended up with scraped palm.

You reckon feebles are easier than 5050s? I've never tried them

50s are def easier than 50-50 in my opinion
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 06, 2021, 08:49:58 AM
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I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)
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Well Lizard brains operate differently from human brains, numerous studies have shown.

Working up the nerve to BS 50-50 a flatbar at the park. I recently go BS Feebles back on them, trying to think about it the same way, but getting my front truck up and parallel. Ended up with scraped palm.
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You reckon feebles are easier than 5050s? I've never tried them

50s are def easier than 50-50 in my opinion
The rail at my local is fairly tall, just below knee, and very short, just over 6ft. Need to get out of my head and just pop.

"All you had to do, was to pop the damn tail, rocklobster!"
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 07, 2021, 04:25:34 AM
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I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)
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Well Lizard brains operate differently from human brains, numerous studies have shown.

Working up the nerve to BS 50-50 a flatbar at the park. I recently go BS Feebles back on them, trying to think about it the same way, but getting my front truck up and parallel. Ended up with scraped palm.
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You reckon feebles are easier than 5050s? I've never tried them

50s are def easier than 50-50 in my opinion
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The rail at my local is fairly tall, just below knee, and very short, just over 6ft. Need to get out of my head and just pop.

"All you had to do, was to pop the damn tail, rocklobster!"

Any advice for feebles on rails? I just recently did my first round rail bs 50-50's but on a much shorter height rail than yours
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 07, 2021, 08:13:02 AM
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I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)
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Well Lizard brains operate differently from human brains, numerous studies have shown.

Working up the nerve to BS 50-50 a flatbar at the park. I recently go BS Feebles back on them, trying to think about it the same way, but getting my front truck up and parallel. Ended up with scraped palm.
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You reckon feebles are easier than 5050s? I've never tried them

50s are def easier than 50-50 in my opinion
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The rail at my local is fairly tall, just below knee, and very short, just over 6ft. Need to get out of my head and just pop.

"All you had to do, was to pop the damn tail, rocklobster!"
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Any advice for feebles on rails? I just recently did my first round rail bs 50-50's but on a much shorter height rail than yours

BS 50-50s are way more intimidating IMO, but I'll try my best to explain Feebles.

For a start you can roll up fairly slowly to the rail and visualize them like you're landing a crooked board slide, just practice getting into that position for a start. You can already get your front truck up on the rail for BS 50-50s so getting them a little over the rail should be a problem. When you're ready, start rolling a little faster with a slight angle to the rail, you can start around 30 but reducing the angle makes getting the back truck locked in easier down the road.

Like any trick it's about committing so start off with a solid pop. Front foot drags up to rocket the board slightly so you can can over the rail, that's the first part and hence the mention of a crooked board slide. As you ollie up your body and board should up and at a slight angle above the rail. The latter half of the trick is all back foot, remember to get that solid pop and bring it up slightly, sliding it onto the rail. I was struggling with this for a while, always landing in a crooked board slide, that was until I focused on the pop and sucking the back foot up and onto the rail. Shoulders should be pretty parallel with the rail.

Weight should be 85% on the back, 15% on the front.

In terms of exit I don't have much advice, since I go fast and let speed flop me off the edge of the rail. Too much weight on the back during exit has caused the board to flip after coming off the rail and landing primo sucks balls.

If you already have boardslides and 50-50s doing Feebles are a natural progression and easier than BS 50-50 since you need to get both trucks up and on the rail.

On a lower rail it's really important to control the height of your drag and ollie, while not neglecting your back foot since that does the hard work while grinding.

A friend of mind can do them while stationary next to the rail which he swears helped him develop a good pinch, doesn't make sense to me at all.

Makes me wonder if doing FS Feebles borrows the same logic.

I wanted to try BS 50-50s on the rail today but I've been pretty beat up from 3 days in a row.

Pop - front foot drags up and over - back foot slots the back truck into position
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVxHfAyzi4
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 07, 2021, 09:28:29 AM
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I’m learning kickflips. I thought it would be a breeze, watched a lizard king interview where he said he learned them in 2 days so my idiot brain thought I could too. It’s now been 2 months and I haven’t practiced all that much but I’m slowly getting closer to landing them, just need that fucking front foot to get back on, it’s driving me mad.

Been boosting my backside 180’s too, my goal is to do one over a bench by the end of summer (one can only dream...)
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Well Lizard brains operate differently from human brains, numerous studies have shown.

Working up the nerve to BS 50-50 a flatbar at the park. I recently go BS Feebles back on them, trying to think about it the same way, but getting my front truck up and parallel. Ended up with scraped palm.
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You reckon feebles are easier than 5050s? I've never tried them

50s are def easier than 50-50 in my opinion
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The rail at my local is fairly tall, just below knee, and very short, just over 6ft. Need to get out of my head and just pop.

"All you had to do, was to pop the damn tail, rocklobster!"
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Any advice for feebles on rails? I just recently did my first round rail bs 50-50's but on a much shorter height rail than yours
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BS 50-50s are way more intimidating IMO, but I'll try my best to explain Feebles.

For a start you can roll up fairly slowly to the rail and visualize them like you're landing a crooked board slide, just practice getting into that position for a start. You can already get your front truck up on the rail for BS 50-50s so getting them a little over the rail should be a problem. When you're ready, start rolling a little faster with a slight angle to the rail, you can start around 30 but reducing the angle makes getting the back truck locked in easier down the road.

Like any trick it's about committing so start off with a solid pop. Front foot drags up to rocket the board slightly so you can can over the rail, that's the first part and hence the mention of a crooked board slide. As you ollie up your body and board should up and at a slight angle above the rail. The latter half of the trick is all back foot, remember to get that solid pop and bring it up slightly, sliding it onto the rail. I was struggling with this for a while, always landing in a crooked board slide, that was until I focused on the pop and sucking the back foot up and onto the rail. Shoulders should be pretty parallel with the rail.

Weight should be 85% on the back, 15% on the front.

In terms of exit I don't have much advice, since I go fast and let speed flop me off the edge of the rail. Too much weight on the back during exit has caused the board to flip after coming off the rail and landing primo sucks balls.

If you already have boardslides and 50-50s doing Feebles are a natural progression and easier than BS 50-50 since you need to get both trucks up and on the rail.

On a lower rail it's really important to control the height of your drag and ollie, while not neglecting your back foot since that does the hard work while grinding.

A friend of mind can do them while stationary next to the rail which he swears helped him develop a good pinch, doesn't make sense to me at all.

Makes me wonder if doing FS Feebles borrows the same logic.

I wanted to try BS 50-50s on the rail today but I've been pretty beat up from 3 days in a row.

Pop - front foot drags up and over - back foot slots the back truck into position
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVxHfAyzi4

Approaching it rocket is something I hadn't though of. So you essentially land and lower the front truck into the feeble? This all sounds like good advice actually I was quite scared of trying feebles but they sound possible.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 07, 2021, 10:07:57 AM
Yup, slight rocket to clear the front truck and dip down slightly. As you get more confident you rocket less and can plant it down like a boardslide with a slight poke down.

Can't emphasize enough on focusing on the back foot, I have to remind myself to lift it up and shifting my back truck heelside to get the lock. Thinking you're locking in and doing a Crooked board slide is a shit feeling.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on June 08, 2021, 09:55:06 AM
I'm coming back off an ankle roll, so i'm taking it back to basics to learn/improve some tricks i've been missing or just straight suck at.

This week i've been working on switch FS pop shuvs, which have gone from downright awful landing one every 5 tries, to landing them more consistently and slightly less crap looking.

Learnt switch FS and BS 180s today, for whatever reason they always eluded me, but something clicked.

Next on the list are regular and switch bigspins both ways, i'm very much a nollie/fakie bigspin guy so expecting a battle with these.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2021, 11:46:26 AM
Fs Full Cab Heelflip (no pivot)

I'm so damn close.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: baaaaaaguette on June 09, 2021, 03:10:29 AM
I'm coming back off an ankle roll, so i'm taking it back to basics to learn/improve some tricks i've been missing or just straight suck at.

This week i've been working on switch FS pop shuvs, which have gone from downright awful landing one every 5 tries, to landing them more consistently and slightly less crap looking.

Learnt switch FS and BS 180s today, for whatever reason they always eluded me, but something clicked.

Next on the list are regular and switch bigspins both ways, i'm very much a nollie/fakie bigspin guy so expecting a battle with these.

I remember when I finally learned how to boost my FS pop shoves over obstacles. It’s one of those simple tricks that people cheer you on even on flat if you do them high and flat. Popping them fast and high is really scary though.

I’ve been boosting my 180’s, I used to scoop them around and I was getting decent air but If I really am to clear a bench with a BS 180 I need to learn them the right way: ollie and then backside rotation. Getting close to achieving this (somewhat), but controlling the board while you rotate is super weird, when you watch pros with huge BS 180’s you can see that their legs are basically doing a rotated ollie, they kinda push the board around in the air (I don’t know if I’m making any sense here). The problem with this method is that it’s really easy to fuck up and slam. I found that focusing on your front leg and popping around it helps, it’s like you’re pivoting around it but damn is it hard.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on June 09, 2021, 05:52:45 AM
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I'm coming back off an ankle roll, so i'm taking it back to basics to learn/improve some tricks i've been missing or just straight suck at.

This week i've been working on switch FS pop shuvs, which have gone from downright awful landing one every 5 tries, to landing them more consistently and slightly less crap looking.

Learnt switch FS and BS 180s today, for whatever reason they always eluded me, but something clicked.

Next on the list are regular and switch bigspins both ways, i'm very much a nollie/fakie bigspin guy so expecting a battle with these.
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I remember when I finally learned how to boost my FS pop shoves over obstacles. It’s one of those simple tricks that people cheer you on even on flat if you do them high and flat. Popping them fast and high is really scary though.

I’ve been boosting my 180’s, I used to scoop them around and I was getting decent air but If I really am to clear a bench with a BS 180 I need to learn them the right way: ollie and then backside rotation. Getting close to achieving this (somewhat), but controlling the board while you rotate is super weird, when you watch pros with huge BS 180’s you can see that their legs are basically doing a rotated ollie, they kinda push the board around in the air (I don’t know if I’m making any sense here). The problem with this method is that it’s really easy to fuck up and slam. I found that focusing on your front leg and popping around it helps, it’s like you’re pivoting around it but damn is it hard.

Yeah i lack a lot of confidence with BS 180s, which is funny because i'll do them on a 30ft booter on a snowboard, and onto/off rails no bother. I have a nasty habit of leaving my head and shoulders behind and slipping out.

FS 180s are my jam, love doing them up/over/down things and can boost them quite high now.

I recently got my regs FS pop shuvs way higher and cleaner, I used to hate that trick and never really did them but i'm actually starting to prefer them to BS pop shuvs now...i've developed a bad habit of semi-primoing my BS pop shuvs when i'm not warmed up or that front foot gets lazy, it's almost taken me out a few times.

Overall though, it's actually been really fun putting flip tricks aside for a couple weeks and working on all these foundations. Tested the ankle today and got heels and fakie heels back down in a few tries, and first tried my fakie and regs varial flips - for me that's proof positive that working on other tricks and just getting time on the board improves all your tricks (sounds obvious but it's nice when the hard work, works).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: baaaaaaguette on June 10, 2021, 02:59:33 AM
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I'm coming back off an ankle roll, so i'm taking it back to basics to learn/improve some tricks i've been missing or just straight suck at.

This week i've been working on switch FS pop shuvs, which have gone from downright awful landing one every 5 tries, to landing them more consistently and slightly less crap looking.

Learnt switch FS and BS 180s today, for whatever reason they always eluded me, but something clicked.

Next on the list are regular and switch bigspins both ways, i'm very much a nollie/fakie bigspin guy so expecting a battle with these.
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I remember when I finally learned how to boost my FS pop shoves over obstacles. It’s one of those simple tricks that people cheer you on even on flat if you do them high and flat. Popping them fast and high is really scary though.

I’ve been boosting my 180’s, I used to scoop them around and I was getting decent air but If I really am to clear a bench with a BS 180 I need to learn them the right way: ollie and then backside rotation. Getting close to achieving this (somewhat), but controlling the board while you rotate is super weird, when you watch pros with huge BS 180’s you can see that their legs are basically doing a rotated ollie, they kinda push the board around in the air (I don’t know if I’m making any sense here). The problem with this method is that it’s really easy to fuck up and slam. I found that focusing on your front leg and popping around it helps, it’s like you’re pivoting around it but damn is it hard.
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Yeah i lack a lot of confidence with BS 180s, which is funny because i'll do them on a 30ft booter on a snowboard, and onto/off rails no bother. I have a nasty habit of leaving my head and shoulders behind and slipping out.

FS 180s are my jam, love doing them up/over/down things and can boost them quite high now.

I recently got my regs FS pop shuvs way higher and cleaner, I used to hate that trick and never really did them but i'm actually starting to prefer them to BS pop shuvs now...i've developed a bad habit of semi-primoing my BS pop shuvs when i'm not warmed up or that front foot gets lazy, it's almost taken me out a few times.

Overall though, it's actually been really fun putting flip tricks aside for a couple weeks and working on all these foundations. Tested the ankle today and got heels and fakie heels back down in a few tries, and first tried my fakie and regs varial flips - for me that's proof positive that working on other tricks and just getting time on the board improves all your tricks (sounds obvious but it's nice when the hard work, works).

I do find the fact most people end up preferring frontside pop shoves over backside in the long run pretty funny haha. I think it’s partly because a lot of people are used to doing them easily and end up popping them in a lazy way and eat shit, something you can’t really do with front sides where the pop has to be precise and controlled. Primo bs pop shoves are easily a session ending slam, front foot laziness is a killer. Always good to work foundations
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rawbertson. on June 11, 2021, 08:13:19 AM
fakie front crook blind 180 out
got one just trying to get em better
sw flip and sw heel is my goal for the season biut need to heal up a bit first
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Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on June 15, 2021, 11:04:07 AM
Seems like everyone I grew up skating with learned how to bs tail within the last two weeks. One of my friends can kickflip in to it already and another friend can 180 in to it on transition already. Or I’ll go a random park and it’s like everyone at the park is doing perfect bs tail variations. I have extreme envy to say the least. Had a few breakthroughs on bs lip and bs smith over the last year so I’m gonna figure this shit out before the end of July no excuses. I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a trick more in my life haha
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Post by: chris. on June 22, 2021, 08:50:44 AM
Just trying to get comfortable on hips again.
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Post by: MorningSesh on June 22, 2021, 11:18:47 AM
Just trying to get comfortable on hips again.
Same, I've been skating for so long and haven't even done any type of flip trick on one yet.
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Post by: white guy in a durag on June 22, 2021, 04:29:28 PM
Impossibles. Boutta get some mob and velcro shoes because this shit will not stick to my foot.
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Post by: silhouette on June 23, 2021, 09:53:23 AM
Impossibles. Boutta get some mob and velcro shoes because this shit will not stick to my foot.

If you're not used to impossibles or pressure flips then it takes some time to get used to the timing that's different from your usual pop-based tricks. Maybe you have to consciously think about keeping your back foot low for a little longer so that the board has that much more time to flip over it and you can get the wrap. To form such tricks you kind of have to keep the motion going after you've smacked the tail for a little longer instead of sucking your legs right up, here you want to lift your front leg up first but keep the other one down until you can actually feel the wrap, ideally the motion you want I would describe as like some kind of inward scrape. Put pressure on your back foot toes pre-pop too but try and actually seek to maintain it for a bit unlike how one would do for, say, 360 flips where they instantly let go.

You can also work on the form by at first just learning how to do half the trick and then landing with the board upside down over your foot (of course bail it as to not crush yourself). It's essentially this one basic motion you want to figure out and from then on control over guiding the board around is easy.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 23, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Impossibles. Boutta get some mob and velcro shoes because this shit will not stick to my foot.

If you put your back foot in the scoop position like you're going to do a BS shuvit, you snap and scrap the board against the ground right as you pop. Your back foot should be guiding the tail forward along the ground during the snap and then you do a half circle motion to get it around the top of your foot. Completing the half circle motion puts the board right side up and your back foot will hopefully be over the back bolts.

More grippy grip doesn't necessarily help because the board can get stuck on the side or top of your shoe. I use jessup and can impossible just fine.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: white guy in a durag on June 24, 2021, 04:46:59 AM
Thanks for the input lads. I've gotten the wrap a few times by trying to swipe my foot along the ground before sucking it up, but still no lands. I think my big problems right now are, my scooping being too exaggerated and flinging the board away; and not getting my ankle involved enough. I was trying to get it wrapped over the arch/ankle area, but I frame-by-framed a lee yankou one and it looks like I should be pointing my toe more during the scoop and trying to wrap it more over the knuckles.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on June 24, 2021, 07:34:28 AM
My board always razortails 'toeside', which is probably indicator of how i don't pop center of tail on like straight tricks. Pisses me off to no end bc feels like shit to feel the board just flop around instead of popping up nice and straight i hate it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on June 24, 2021, 07:49:31 AM
My board always razortails 'toeside', which is probably indicator of how i don't pop center of tail on like straight tricks. Pisses me off to no end bc feels like shit to feel the board just flop around instead of popping up nice and straight i hate it.

Hmmm now that you mention it the wear on my nose (I use that for popping kickflips) is uneven, much more on the heelside. Could explain why my board wants to rotate like I'm doing a FS 180.

Will try shifting my popping top further up the center line.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: primo on June 26, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
Frontside 180s (I either land on the nose or land nicely but my back foot slips off, I think I can fix this by bringing my foot in a little more)
Tailslides (front or back I just want to get the tail on the ledge before I die)
360 flips (I'm getting close)


I completely lost heel flips after not skating for five years, but I try them like 10 times each session and then move on. I'll get em.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: HiResDes on July 06, 2021, 05:32:36 PM
Backside anything on tranny aside from bs boardslides, yeah it seems mad scary to me. Also pivot to fakie coming back is terrifying and I don't know if I need to be popping a little bit to get out or not.
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Post by: Jewel Runner on July 07, 2021, 05:14:03 AM
Fs Full Cab Heelflip (no pivot)

I'm so damn close.

Such an odd trick in my eyes! Could you record and share some of the attempts? Or even a land if you got it by now
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Post by: Allen. on July 07, 2021, 08:54:26 AM
Frontside half cab fs boardslide the flat bar at the shittiest local.
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Post by: Paperclip20 on July 07, 2021, 09:14:38 AM
Frontside half cab fs boardslide the flat bar at the shittiest local.

Sounds very awkward but I have a friend with those on lock and he makes it work.

Currently trying to learn front 180 to switch 50-50. Seems really awkward but doable
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Post by: rocklobster on July 07, 2021, 11:38:06 AM
Front Crooks, had them for a while last year then I stopped doing them. Now I'm trying them on a taller flatbar but haven't had success over a few sessions.
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Post by: FatGuy92 on July 09, 2021, 12:48:36 AM
Might seem weird but half cabs. I could only do fs180s and fakie fs180s and now I'm finally getting the hang of rotating backside. Gonna try to get bs180s after.
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Post by: al_cvbrera on July 09, 2021, 06:45:44 AM
pop outs out of 5-0's.
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Post by: jaydella on July 10, 2021, 04:47:45 AM
360 flips
180 no complies
Tail slides, whichever side I get on the ledge first.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 11, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
Not that a lot of these even matter unless you’re Leo Valls but backside 360 powerslide reverts and switch front 360 powerslide reverts just started making a lot of sense to me. Oh and nollie KitKats were you revert the shove around 360 instead of 180, user @silhouette is probably the only one who knows what the hell im rambling about
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Post by: silhouette on July 12, 2021, 01:48:19 AM
@Gay Imp Sausage Metal actually I'm not sure, what is it again that you call a kitkat? I've heard the name before but blanking out on what it's referring to right now. In the vein of what you're describing, doing backside nollies out of nosewheelie the other day, by accident I did a few with perfect backside shifties out, that felt like full backside 180's I'd then powerslide back upon landing from due to my weight being off just the right way for that to happen. I usually kind of suck at backside shifty nollies, too so that was a good surprise. Maybe the idea will inspire someone to actually work on that trick, not sure I will myself, the few times I did try it on purpose it felt like a brutal slam magnet.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 12, 2021, 05:37:19 AM
Kit Kat is just a shove it revert; you shove it one way and then as soon as you land (or mid air if you pop them) you twist back the other way. Think of that switch one that Stevie Williams does! They were big in the do a shove it and then another one straight after days. Guy does one perfectly in a line in video days, textbook example.

Anyway mine is a backside nose shove it, which I revert frontside, frontside 360 powerslides
Seem to be working for me lately so I just revert into one of them, will try and flim
Next time I’m out! Oh yeah, front 360 no complies just clicked too!
I want to see you back shifty nollie to revert now, revert everything!
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 12, 2021, 06:27:03 AM
Backside anything on tranny aside from bs boardslides, yeah it seems mad scary to me. Also pivot to fakie coming back is terrifying and I don't know if I need to be popping a little bit to get out or not.


Can you feeble to fakie? IMO that is the gateway trick to pivot fakies. It gives you a little more clearance to sit on the coping and figure out the "heel-toe" exit rather than actually popping out. (Get into the trick on your heel, get out with the toes).


Unless you actually wanna pop out.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on July 12, 2021, 08:28:19 AM
Kit Kat is just a shove it revert; you shove it one way and then as soon as you land (or mid air if you pop them) you twist back the other way. Think of that switch one that Stevie Williams does! They were big in the do a shove it and then another one straight after days. Guy does one perfectly in a line in video days, textbook example.

Never heard that trick name before but I promise to make it a thing amongst my friend group.
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Post by: TastyBurrito on July 12, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
Spent the afternoon yesterday trying crooked slappies. Actually got one with a terrible Baker make. Not the prettiest, but my old, fat ass counted it.

Was stoked to get that.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 12, 2021, 04:58:37 PM
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Kit Kat is just a shove it revert; you shove it one way and then as soon as you land (or mid air if you pop them) you twist back the other way. Think of that switch one that Stevie Williams does! They were big in the do a shove it and then another one straight after days. Guy does one perfectly in a line in video days, textbook example.
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Never heard that trick name before but I promise to make it a thing amongst my friend group.
very old name, perhaps even regional?
We also used to call back 360 no complies ballerinas, but that wasn’t just my crew!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on July 12, 2021, 07:04:28 PM
Kit Kat is just a shove it revert; you shove it one way and then as soon as you land (or mid air if you pop them) you twist back the other way. Think of that switch one that Stevie Williams does! They were big in the do a shove it and then another one straight after days. Guy does one perfectly in a line in video days, textbook example.

Anyway mine is a backside nose shove it, which I revert frontside, frontside 360 powerslides
Seem to be working for me lately so I just revert into one of them, will try and flim
Next time I’m out! Oh yeah, front 360 no complies just clicked too!
I want to see you back shifty nollie to revert now, revert everything!

Ah yeah, actually it might have been you that I originally saw use that name on here, that trick I tend to associate it with Chris Hall or maybe Ron Knigge when it comes to skaters from that time period or maybe Brian Lotti. I used to do those switch a lot as a kid (no pop) as a way to revert back to regs, now I can only really vibe with trying that trick with a pop, catch then late turn which is harder and so I don't do it a lot, because in most cases I'd rather just switch pop shove-it. There's one kid from my area in general who started out doing the regular, non-popped ones a lot (which isn't uncommon at all) and then his skating progressed way past that point, but still he sort of never stopped doing that trick on occasion and whenever he does now it's actually pretty cool. Occasionally he will also pop shove-it body varial waist-high traffic cones.

Another cool, easy, underrated fun shove-it shuffle thing is the nollie and fakie big spin revert where instead of pivoting around into a 360 big spin, you go back the other way and so what you really get most of the time is a nollie/fakie shove-it shifty kind of thing.

Frontside 360 no-complies feel the coolest, have fun with them!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 12, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
Another cool, easy, underrated fun shove-it shuffle thing is the nollie and fakie big spin revert where instead of pivoting around into a 360 big spin, you go back the other way and so what you really get most of the time is a nollie/fakie shove-it shifty kind of thing.
Frontside 360 no-complies feel the coolest, have fun with them!
this one?
https://www.instagram.com/p/COiOTIQFBK7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I unlocked both of those recently too with all my revert madness!
front 3 no complies are so fun, even if the last 180 is defs "late" and/ or deconstructed.
any tips for backside 3 no complies? I think you do them all in one movement right? like not deconstructed?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hubba Bo-Tep on July 13, 2021, 02:08:57 AM
any tips for backside 3 no complies? I think you do them all in one movement right? like not deconstructed?

Had these years ago.  Yep, one fluid motion.  Watch some old Ray Barbee footage.  If you can do a BS180 to pivot (fake ass BS 360) then you're well on your way.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 13, 2021, 04:08:58 AM
Switch 360 flips which just came from no where. I threw a few for fun and they rotated landing close to under my feet. Ended up working on them for 20-30 minutes and came away with a very sketchy switch tre revert. Hopefully after work today I can put one down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Dwyck on July 13, 2021, 04:27:44 PM
trying to get all of my warm up flat tricks over manhole cover/with a backpack on. heelflip and front 180 are destroying me lately
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on July 14, 2021, 02:00:45 AM
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Another cool, easy, underrated fun shove-it shuffle thing is the nollie and fakie big spin revert where instead of pivoting around into a 360 big spin, you go back the other way and so what you really get most of the time is a nollie/fakie shove-it shifty kind of thing.
Frontside 360 no-complies feel the coolest, have fun with them!
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this one?
any tips for backside 3 no complies? I think you do them all in one movement right? like not deconstructed?

Yeah the first one, just without the pause, you land in nosewheelie position before bringing it back instead of around like most people do. For the backside 360 'ballerinas' my best advice would be to look (and orientate your shoulders) in the direction of your tail or even past your tail before you pop, so that you're facing the direction you're coming from and not headed to. Then as soon as you let go of the pressure by stepping off, the first 180 should be automatic as you're already realigning yourself with the board to catch it on the second half of the rotation. It's not so much heavy wind-up as it is finding the correct upper body pose and pop that complement one another. Pop feels like it happens somewhere in the center of the tail, mostly helped with the big toe. All of this applies to backside 360 ollies without the foot down as well.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on July 14, 2021, 06:46:06 AM
trying to get all of my warm up flat tricks over manhole cover/with a backpack on. heelflip and front 180 are destroying me lately

Inspired by this post I did a fs 180, pop shuv and kickflip over a manhole cover today. I also managed a kickflip over a minuscule curb. An old geezer was just passing by and complimented me on it.  ;D

Now I want to take this further and try to kickflip up and down stuff.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: S. on July 14, 2021, 07:59:44 AM
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Frontside half cab fs boardslide the flat bar at the shittiest local.
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Sounds very awkward but I have a friend with those on lock and he makes it work.

Currently trying to learn front 180 to switch 50-50. Seems really awkward but doable

I can do that trick occasionally. What helped me was to do 180s to ride on a short manny pad. That trick is fairly easy to get into and quite difficult to get out switch at the end of the grind.
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Post by: S. on July 14, 2021, 08:03:09 AM
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Backside anything on tranny aside from bs boardslides, yeah it seems mad scary to me. Also pivot to fakie coming back is terrifying and I don't know if I need to be popping a little bit to get out or not.
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Can you feeble to fakie? IMO that is the gateway trick to pivot fakies. It gives you a little more clearance to sit on the coping and figure out the "heel-toe" exit rather than actually popping out. (Get into the trick on your heel, get out with the toes).


Unless you actually wanna pop out.

For me the gateway was learning blunt fakies. I recently learned them with the heel toe technique and I got them way more consistent now. They are the easiest to learn on a smaller and steeper transition. 
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 14, 2021, 09:55:22 AM
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Frontside half cab fs boardslide the flat bar at the shittiest local.
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Sounds very awkward but I have a friend with those on lock and he makes it work.

Currently trying to learn front 180 to switch 50-50. Seems really awkward but doable
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I can do that trick occasionally. What helped me was to do 180s to ride on a short manny pad. That trick is fairly easy to get into and quite difficult to get out switch at the end of the grind.

That makes sense, did you learn them straight on first or from the side of the ledge?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: vicious cycle on July 15, 2021, 12:21:06 AM
Half Cap Heelflip over the hip.
Got them pretty consistent on flat and banks but as soon I roll up to an hip I struggle with the timing and balance.
I end up missing the flick or I pop to late..
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on July 15, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
I am trying to learn consistency. I have learned a bunch of tricks but I want them every try.  Unfortunately it feels like I have to relearn some of them every time I skate. It feels like bad habits are easier to remember than good ones
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: skunty on July 15, 2021, 10:47:05 AM
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Frontside half cab fs boardslide the flat bar at the shittiest local.
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Sounds very awkward but I have a friend with those on lock and he makes it work.

Currently trying to learn front 180 to switch 50-50. Seems really awkward but doable
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I can do that trick occasionally. What helped me was to do 180s to ride on a short manny pad. That trick is fairly easy to get into and quite difficult to get out switch at the end of the grind.
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That makes sense, did you learn them straight on first or from the side of the ledge?

you talking about fs 180 to sw fs 50-50? I personally do them from the side of the ledge and set my front truck down first and pivot the rest of the 180 to get my back truck up on it. fs 180 to sw bs 50-50 is still a dream trick for me personally
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Kaiju Foster on July 18, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
Been working on front 360s for what seems like forever now, just can’t seem to get them rotated all the way around for the life of me. Albeit, I had to take quite a bit of time off from skating due to some lingering health problems, but I’ve always been pretty confident in my front 180s, to the point I can do them more consistently than even pulling a straight Ollie, like my body just always seems to naturally drift front 180 (a whole other problem I’ve had for years, if anybody has any advice); I figured they would come naturally, but still can’t stick even a sketchy one. 360s versus 180s just seem like a whole different animal. That and slappies.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: spanyard on July 18, 2021, 04:11:48 PM
fs noselides
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Post by: skunty on July 19, 2021, 12:49:37 PM
Been working on front 360s for what seems like forever now, just can’t seem to get them rotated all the way around for the life of me. Albeit, I had to take quite a bit of time off from skating due to some lingering health problems, but I’ve always been pretty confident in my front 180s, to the point I can do them more consistently than even pulling a straight Ollie, like my body just always seems to naturally drift front 180 (a whole other problem I’ve had for years, if anybody has any advice); I figured they would come naturally, but still can’t stick even a sketchy one. 360s versus 180s just seem like a whole different animal. That and slappies.

To straighten your ollie try to pop the tail backwards instead of straight down. For front 3s try to learn them on a hip first
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Jeffrey on July 19, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
Ollies...

After floundering and not really trying much outside of cruising some banks for like 6 months and then putting the board away, I decided that I'll do 100 clean ollie attempts a day.

Just did 50 in my garage but started melting so will do the rest when cooler. Probably did more like 80 but a lot were pure flops. Maybe 7-10 were actually clean, several inch high ollies with solid roll aways.

Zero eating of shit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: DaleSr on July 19, 2021, 09:08:11 PM
Good consistent kickflips and holding onto and sitting on back Smiths on transition
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Kaiju Foster on July 20, 2021, 01:23:00 PM
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Been working on front 360s for what seems like forever now, just can’t seem to get them rotated all the way around for the life of me. Albeit, I had to take quite a bit of time off from skating due to some lingering health problems, but I’ve always been pretty confident in my front 180s, to the point I can do them more consistently than even pulling a straight Ollie, like my body just always seems to naturally drift front 180 (a whole other problem I’ve had for years, if anybody has any advice); I figured they would come naturally, but still can’t stick even a sketchy one. 360s versus 180s just seem like a whole different animal. That and slappies.
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To straighten your ollie try to pop the tail backwards instead of straight down. For front 3s try to learn them on a hip first


Appreciate the tips, will definitely be trying both of them out. My gross Ollie has been haunting me for years hahaha Maybe I can finally start expanding my bag of flip tricks, too lol
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on July 21, 2021, 10:53:22 AM
Half Cab Noseslide 270 out, I can do them but I cheat on the exit. I get the initial 90, but I can't spin the remaining 180 out fast enough so all 4 wheels are hitting the ground before I slide my wheels to complete the rotation. Ideally I would like only 90 degrees or less of wheels scraping.

Should I focus on landing and pivoting off my nose? Winding my shoulders more as I slide?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: SUPREMENECKPROTECTOR on July 26, 2021, 12:56:26 AM
The last few weeks I have been focusing on backside smith grinds and did not do much besides them. Brought my frustration levels to the max and even had a little tantrum where I threw the board, which is extremely rare. I get into them and occasionally grind them with a very sloppy dismount. Need to figure out the balance more so i will probably stay frustrated for a few more weeks.

Setting up the nik stain board for the next session to channel his energy.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on July 26, 2021, 01:46:51 AM
Varial heels and Wallies. Tweaked my ankle yesterday again. For the varial heel I just need to figure out that exact feet positioning for the scoop. Most of the time if I land them, there is like 20 degree from the shuv missing.
Bit frustrating because I can fs shuv blind and heelflips are okay too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on July 26, 2021, 02:02:35 AM
Varial heels and Wallies. Tweaked my ankle yesterday again. For the varial heel I just need to figure out that exact feet positioning for the scoop. Most of the time if I land them, there is like 20 degree from the shuv missing.
Bit frustrating because I can fs shuv blind and heelflips are okay too.

For varial heels I find that it really helps to have both feet pointing slightly inwards (toes orientated 30/45 degrees towards your tail) - allows your back foot to really help push through the trick, and your front foot to just have to kick out straight as long as your heel was resting on the appropriate portion of the concave before you popped. Think of the adjustment as something to slightly compensate for the rotation of the board on the shove so that when you do extend your front leg, foot still hits your usual heelflip spot because you predicted the motion.

Wallies seem to be all about not forgetting to suck your legs up, especially the back leg, people often underestimate the degree of lifting of the knees required and so instead of clearing the obstacle they clip it even if their movement is otherwise correct because they just don't have the height. Getting height on wallies is actually easier than on ollies because the obstacle does a lot of the work for you, but you still need to want it and bend those knees once the wheels hit, you want to exploit the rebound not kill it. The last three kids I've witnessed trying to learn wallies, just that basic tip was enough to unlock the trick for them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ToddlerBodyBag on July 26, 2021, 03:11:25 AM
I'm trying to perfect my Ollie to where I land it 99/100 times.

I dont want to try and expand my bag o tricks until I know I got the very basics down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: matty_c on July 26, 2021, 04:06:48 AM
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Been working on front 360s for what seems like forever now, just can’t seem to get them rotated all the way around for the life of me. Albeit, I had to take quite a bit of time off from skating due to some lingering health problems, but I’ve always been pretty confident in my front 180s, to the point I can do them more consistently than even pulling a straight Ollie, like my body just always seems to naturally drift front 180 (a whole other problem I’ve had for years, if anybody has any advice); I figured they would come naturally, but still can’t stick even a sketchy one. 360s versus 180s just seem like a whole different animal. That and slappies.
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To straighten your ollie try to pop the tail backwards instead of straight down. For front 3s try to learn them on a hip first
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Appreciate the tips, will definitely be trying both of them out. My gross Ollie has been haunting me for years hahaha Maybe I can finally start expanding my bag of flip tricks, too lol

Tried one the other week and had been ages and just stuck on 270, went flying lol

If no hip even just go off a kicker but don’t go straight on, go off whatever side isn’t the hard way

I dunno if it does anything but sometimes I try wind the other way so like my shoulders are like between 90 and parallel with skateboard
Front foot probably a bit further toe side than a 180 I have like maybe my big toe or a little more off the board and back foot sorta kick flip position maybe a little more heel side and just try smash the pop and keep the board between feet if you have both feet in those positions it just sorta goes and just concentrate and be looking at front foot over your shoulder as you come past the first 180
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Kaiju Foster on July 26, 2021, 10:54:29 AM
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Been working on front 360s for what seems like forever now, just can’t seem to get them rotated all the way around for the life of me. Albeit, I had to take quite a bit of time off from skating due to some lingering health problems, but I’ve always been pretty confident in my front 180s, to the point I can do them more consistently than even pulling a straight Ollie, like my body just always seems to naturally drift front 180 (a whole other problem I’ve had for years, if anybody has any advice); I figured they would come naturally, but still can’t stick even a sketchy one. 360s versus 180s just seem like a whole different animal. That and slappies.
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To straighten your ollie try to pop the tail backwards instead of straight down. For front 3s try to learn them on a hip first
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Appreciate the tips, will definitely be trying both of them out. My gross Ollie has been haunting me for years hahaha Maybe I can finally start expanding my bag of flip tricks, too lol
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Tried one the other week and had been ages and just stuck on 270, went flying lol

If no hip even just go off a kicker but don’t go straight on, go off whatever side isn’t the hard way

I dunno if it does anything but sometimes I try wind the other way so like my shoulders are like between 90 and parallel with skateboard
Front foot probably a bit further toe side than a 180 I have like maybe my big toe or a little more off the board and back foot sorta kick flip position maybe a little more heel side and just try smash the pop and keep the board between feet if you have both feet in those positions it just sorta goes and just concentrate and be looking at front foot over your shoulder as you come past the first 180


Dude, literally the same thing for me every single time hahaha Either come down 270 (usually even less) and faceplant or I wind up too aggressively and end up just whipping my shoulders around 360 as hard as I can and lose the board almost immediately. I’ve also had a couple of times my front foot will just barely scrape off the edge of the nose when I go to rotate and the board starts flipping into like primo and I’m just mid air hoping I don’t come down on it. Definitely giving these tips a try, though, from what it sounds like, and from what you and skunty have mentioned, I think a lot of my problems come from horrible foot and shoulder placement, just bad habits built up over the years from skating mostly by myself, though, probably could have used a little critique haha I will say, the Ollie tip I got has pleasantly been helping to straighten my Ollie up a bit and get them a little more consistent. Had to change up my way of skating a bit (feels like I look stiffer and have to skate a lot slower and had to stop worrying so much about popping as high as I can) but only a small price to pay. Another thing you’re dead on about is not having a hip or ramp of any sort (drive to the nearest decent park and back is pretty far from my house to really go regularly. I live in the middle of nowhere; there’s one about an hour away at a public park but it’s horrible, not nearly enough room for people to skate comfortably and it’s always full of kids clogging up the like 3 obstacles they have lol Always suffer a little social anxiety, as well, been trying to work on that, though, no excuse), I do most of my skating in front of my house or at little spots around town. I’ve been trying front threes off of this huge piece of wood I found in my barn that sort of resembles a manny pad, like a moron lol It’s about 4 and a half feet long, 6-8 inches off the ground, give or take. Don’t really know shit about ramp building, but my brother and old man are handy, might have to pay them a visit soon and see if we can put a little kicker together or something. But also, I’ve always realized I just kind of suck at skating, no natural ability for it hahaha always had to sort of fight to even get the tricks I do have (Ollie, front 180, pop shove it, front shuv, barely a heelflip that I land like 3/10 times on a good day, and can kind of manual sometimes), but have always loved it to death, though, skill or no skill. But hell, feels good just to be pushing around nowadays, honestly, a part of skating I take for granted sometimes while I’m getting angry with a trick. Thanks for all the help, dudes, big time SHALOM.


Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on July 26, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
I’ve gone full curb dawg this week, hitting up this perfect curb spot nearby. 

I had a rudimentary understanding of fs slappies already so the first night out I just hammered those until I felt like I had them down, and I messed with bs slappies a little before I left.

The second night I hammered bs slappies until I had those down (very surprised and pleased it only took one session, and now I think they’re actually more comfortable than fs.) I also messed with slappy krook before I left, locking in and grinding for like 2 inches at 0.1 mph, and so now those are the goal for the next session.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: yungthug on July 26, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
I’ve gone full curb dawg this week, hitting up this perfect curb spot nearby. 

I had a rudimentary understanding of fs slappies already so the first night out I just hammered those until I felt like I had them down, and I messed with bs slappies a little before I left.

The second night I hammered bs slappies until I had those down (very surprised and pleased it only took one session, and now I think they’re actually more comfortable than fs.) I also messed with slappy krook before I left, locking in and grinding for like 2 inches at 0.1 mph, and so now those are the goal for the next session.
Hell yeah! Slappies are so great because they are not that hard to learn once you put your mind to it and they feel amazing.

Low effort/risk and high reward. Get that Krooked grind!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on July 26, 2021, 04:02:43 PM
Thanks @yungthug !

They are all I can think about right now, I can’t wait to get em.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fs1/2cab on July 27, 2021, 09:46:27 AM
I’ve gone full curb dawg this week, hitting up this perfect curb spot nearby. 

I had a rudimentary understanding of fs slappies already so the first night out I just hammered those until I felt like I had them down, and I messed with bs slappies a little before I left.

The second night I hammered bs slappies until I had those down (very surprised and pleased it only took one session, and now I think they’re actually more comfortable than fs.) I also messed with slappy krook before I left, locking in and grinding for like 2 inches at 0.1 mph, and so now those are the goal for the next session.

You got some tips for slappy krooks? (bs)
I always stick when I manage to put my truck down onto the curb.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on July 27, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
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I’ve gone full curb dawg this week, hitting up this perfect curb spot nearby. 

I had a rudimentary understanding of fs slappies already so the first night out I just hammered those until I felt like I had them down, and I messed with bs slappies a little before I left.

The second night I hammered bs slappies until I had those down (very surprised and pleased it only took one session, and now I think they’re actually more comfortable than fs.) I also messed with slappy krook before I left, locking in and grinding for like 2 inches at 0.1 mph, and so now those are the goal for the next session.
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You got some tips for slappy krooks? (bs)
I always stick when I manage to put my truck down onto the curb.

Try not to take too hard of an angle if possible. If you can get your truck in position thats half the work, you just have to keep your knees bent and be ready to push the grind as soon as your truck touches. You may be focusing too much on getting into it and not really anticipating the grind. Once you get more comfortable with getting in and dont have to think about it as much you'll be able to focus on getting in with your body ready for the grind and then it will go.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 27, 2021, 10:39:42 AM
I think for me slappy crooks are almost truck dependent weirdly. I like to roll parallel to the ledge and at the last second sharply and momentarily unweight my front foot to get on then just lock in. This is on Indy's. On Ventures I turn sooner and at more of an angle. On Ace I just fucking hate my life and can't do them very consistently because I can never get a good slappy pinch on those trucks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on July 27, 2021, 08:50:40 PM
I got em!  This trick has always felt impossible but learning bs slappies and getting used to the feeling of being light on your feet and letting that heelside wheel ride up the curb changed that.  I ride up parallel, a couple feet away, and carve in and really just visualize that wheel riding up the curb, that visualization makes the shifting of weight I need to do feel natural and so I'm ready for the grind like tzhangdox mentioned.  I started with my foot closer to the bolts/more in the pocket but found that moving it forward some made a big difference.  These curbs I'm working with have a slight angle which helps with the "riding up" part and they've been worked over so well by other skaters they grind like a dream, so honestly a big part for me was just finding the right curb.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 29, 2021, 07:37:32 AM
Started practicing switch FS 5-0's Yesterday on a whim and after some struggle I got a tiny one. Hoping I'll be able to keep getting my switch game up.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on July 29, 2021, 08:00:41 AM
Nose slide to crooked grind on a parking block
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on August 03, 2021, 08:51:01 AM
Trying to get switch tres consistent again.
Trying to get switch fs flips consistent for the first time.
Want to get back in to skating rails too. That was the most promising aspect of my skate abilities for awhile, but I went back to only skating stairs and ledges for some reason, and now I feel completely afraid of the average rail again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Jewel Runner on August 10, 2021, 05:18:56 AM
Cope with fear...

I'm back on the board since 2020 after a 2-3 year hiatus and basically I'm at the level I left, nothing crazy tho just my basic bag of tricks.

But for some reason I'm not evolving anymore since I get this irrational fear of getting hurt. Don't get me wrong when I step on the board I'm the happiest guy in the world but for some reason I can't hit the flatbar like I was doing a couple of months ago because my head won't let me. Like my body knows how to do them boardslides but for some reason I'm scared shitless so I just freeze and end up skating mainly flatground and some pyramids.

Does this happen with anyone else? For instance I'm so scared of falling while skating but when I actually do it doesn't even hurt and it only pumps me to try harder. But when that fall doesn't happen I'm in my mind thinking shit for the whole session

Sorry for the vent
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: burm on August 10, 2021, 05:47:40 AM
Cope with fear...

I'm back on the board since 2020 after a 2-3 year hiatus and basically I'm at the level I left, nothing crazy tho just my basic bag of tricks.

But for some reason I'm not evolving anymore since I get this irrational fear of getting hurt. Don't get me wrong when I step on the board I'm the happiest guy in the world but for some reason I can't hit the flatbar like I was doing a couple of months ago because my head won't let me. Like my body knows how to do them boardslides but for some reason I'm scared shitless so I just freeze and end up skating mainly flatground and some pyramids.

Does this happen with anyone else? For instance I'm so scared of falling while skating but when I actually do it doesn't even hurt and it only pumps me to try harder. But when that fall doesn't happen I'm in my mind thinking shit for the whole session

Sorry for the vent
I just try to take baby steps and grind every step until it feels easy before moving ahead. Hopping on a flatbar always seems to scary, even though it's pretty difficult to even get hurt on a little boardslide, but on ledges it's not scary so I do that enough that it feels good and natural and then I know I should be able to move this to the next obstacle.

I still need to be in the right state of mind though, having second thoughts when approaching the obstacle is the way you get hurt, like only half popping instead of committing to the trick. I guess the only help is repetition, I have very little recklessness left any more  ;)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: yghartsyrt on August 10, 2021, 10:47:18 AM
boardslide hurricane on a flatbar. for more than two months now ....
i have a pretty consistent boardslide and can easily go 8-10 foot, but as soon as i'm trying to combine both elements, i usually ollie too far away from the flatbar and struggle with keeping balance. And tweaking the board into the hurricane doesn't work as reliable as i wish it would. Most of the time, i don't tilt the board enough for my back truck to make contact with the rail.
But i hope to land this consistently this summer. The last couple of sessions, it was at least a handful of makes.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on August 12, 2021, 04:54:23 PM
Bs tails and bs lips. I don’t even want bs lips but I land in them 75% of the time when trying bs tails so I might as well learn them too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on August 12, 2021, 09:51:07 PM
Trying to get on higher ledges, trying to get all the nollie/switch 180 flips
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on August 15, 2021, 09:18:40 AM
Twisted flips, because why not.

Got the trick mostly figured out fairly quickly, just need to stick one now.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: white guy in a durag on August 15, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on August 15, 2021, 10:43:53 AM
Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.

i really want to learn hardflips but its one of those tricks i just don't get, no matter how much youtube i watch... need to be shown them in person really.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: white guy in a durag on August 16, 2021, 02:26:33 PM
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Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.
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i really want to learn hardflips but its one of those tricks i just don't get, no matter how much youtube i watch... need to be shown them in person really.
I'll do a clinic when I land my first one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on August 16, 2021, 10:51:00 PM
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Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.
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i really want to learn hardflips but its one of those tricks i just don't get, no matter how much youtube i watch... need to be shown them in person really.
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I'll do a clinic when I land my first one.

Had never even gotten close to one, my fs flips are pretty bad too. Played a fifteen year old in a game of skate, he got me to T after a few blunders on my end, then did a hardflip on me.

Got hit with an fiery eruption of willpower to not lose to a teenager and somehow landed one. Spent a little time playing with it after and now a week later I've been able to do it against my friends in skate.

I think when I just pop and flick minimally like many people say, it goes wayyyy too vertical and I don't know how to jump or stay over it. Seems like its just a pressure ish pop and land for natural hardflippers.

What helped me was to actually try scoop forward like a front shuv (perhaps even more scoop less pop than a front shuv), and flick kind of aggressively backwards and make sure you get your front foot out of the way so the board goes between your legs as horizontally as possible. When I say flick aggressively backwards, I mean way off the side of the board instead of off the nose where you'd do a kickflip since the nose will be rotating towards that direction anyway.

Though I suggest aiming to do a slightly more horizontal one, realistically speaking it will probably still be pretty vertical, just not straight up and down like the ones where you start to question whether it was a hardflip or just a weird backside pop shove it.

I also find my body sometimes has to turn backside a little bit to catch it as it doesn't always rotate the full 180, usually a lil less. You also gotta jump quite high after you scoop and flick.

I found it a bit easier to form a proper one with my back foot almost like a tre (with less toe hanging off but definitely on that side of the board). If your foot is on that side and you scoop forward like a front shuv, it will tilt the board, making it a bit easier to flick off of so you dont miss the flick. A lot of people do it with their foot in the other pocket like a normal front shuv though so try both, or something in between which also works for me now.

Your mileage may vary, people who have actually this trick good have told me wildly different things so idk if my approach will work for everyone. You really gotta jump super high for it though, not a low effort trick for me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 16, 2021, 11:46:56 PM
Switch 270 Powerslide to back tail slappy, only started working on them this morning but I locked into a few of them quite nicely …
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on August 17, 2021, 01:48:25 AM
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Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.
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i really want to learn hardflips but its one of those tricks i just don't get, no matter how much youtube i watch... need to be shown them in person really.
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I'll do a clinic when I land my first one.
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Had never even gotten close to one, my fs flips are pretty bad too. Played a fifteen year old in a game of skate, he got me to T after a few blunders on my end, then did a hardflip on me.

Got hit with an fiery eruption of willpower to not lose to a teenager and somehow landed one. Spent a little time playing with it after and now a week later I've been able to do it against my friends in skate.

I think when I just pop and flick minimally like many people say, it goes wayyyy too vertical and I don't know how to jump or stay over it. Seems like its just a pressure ish pop and land for natural hardflippers.

What helped me was to actually try scoop forward like a front shuv (perhaps even more scoop less pop than a front shuv), and flick kind of aggressively backwards and make sure you get your front foot out of the way so the board goes between your legs as horizontally as possible. When I say flick aggressively backwards, I mean way off the side of the board instead of off the nose where you'd do a kickflip since the nose will be rotating towards that direction anyway.

Though I suggest aiming to do a slightly more horizontal one, realistically speaking it will probably still be pretty vertical, just not straight up and down like the ones where you start to question whether it was a hardflip or just a weird backside pop shove it.

I also find my body sometimes having to turn backside a little bit to catch it as it doesn't always rotate the full 180, usually a lil less. You also gotta jump super higher after you do the scoop and flick.

I found it a bit easier to form a proper one with my back foot almost like a tre (with less toe hanging off but definitely on that side of the board). If your foot is on that side and you scoop forward like a front shuv, it will tilt the board and be a bit easier to flick off of so you dont miss the flick. A lot of people do it with their foot in the other pocket like a normal front shuv though so try both, or something in between which also works for me now.

Your mileage may vary, people who have actually this trick good have told me wildly different things so idk if my approach will work for everyone. You really gotta jump super high for it though, definitely not a low effort trick for me.

I attribute my shitty kickflips to my FS Flips / Hardflips, the more I work on 1 the worse I get at the other. Key difference being the direction of drag and flick - Kickflips are straight and off the tip of the nose, Hardflips / FS Flips are diagonal and off the pocket where your nose / tail kick up.

You're right about it being more scoop than shove, you want a nice hard scoop that give that signature scrape of the tail against the ground. I can tell if I'm going to do a nice one depending on the sound of the scoop, less high pitched snap, and more hollow scrape. That's 75% of the trick. Nothing fancy with the back foot placement, square on the tail as long as you get that scrape-y scoop.

The remaining 25% is the drag and flick - I drag up and sideways so my toe hits the edge of the tail where the nose / tail kicks upwards, instead of straight off the nose like a kickflip. Like a 360 flip it's more about the pressure of the front foot than actually flicking, but I will add a little flick if the board I'm riding is very flat needs a help to come around.

It's a trick that feels easier the higher you can pop / jump to give the board time to go airborne and flip, hence I always pop them off my nose.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on August 17, 2021, 06:05:23 AM
Kickflips up euro gaps. The two main challenges i think im having are:
1.Getting enough speed but not setting up properly fast enough

2. Not being able to keep the board under me after popping and missing the flick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on August 17, 2021, 10:01:22 AM
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Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.
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i really want to learn hardflips but its one of those tricks i just don't get, no matter how much youtube i watch... need to be shown them in person really.
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I'll do a clinic when I land my first one.
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Had never even gotten close to one, my fs flips are pretty bad too. Played a fifteen year old in a game of skate, he got me to T after a few blunders on my end, then did a hardflip on me.

Got hit with an fiery eruption of willpower to not lose to a teenager and somehow landed one. Spent a little time playing with it after and now a week later I've been able to do it against my friends in skate.

I think when I just pop and flick minimally like many people say, it goes wayyyy too vertical and I don't know how to jump or stay over it. Seems like its just a pressure ish pop and land for natural hardflippers.

What helped me was to actually try scoop forward like a front shuv (perhaps even more scoop less pop than a front shuv), and flick kind of aggressively backwards and make sure you get your front foot out of the way so the board goes between your legs as horizontally as possible. When I say flick aggressively backwards, I mean way off the side of the board instead of off the nose where you'd do a kickflip since the nose will be rotating towards that direction anyway.

Though I suggest aiming to do a slightly more horizontal one, realistically speaking it will probably still be pretty vertical, just not straight up and down like the ones where you start to question whether it was a hardflip or just a weird backside pop shove it.

I also find my body sometimes having to turn backside a little bit to catch it as it doesn't always rotate the full 180, usually a lil less. You also gotta jump super higher after you do the scoop and flick.

I found it a bit easier to form a proper one with my back foot almost like a tre (with less toe hanging off but definitely on that side of the board). If your foot is on that side and you scoop forward like a front shuv, it will tilt the board and be a bit easier to flick off of so you dont miss the flick. A lot of people do it with their foot in the other pocket like a normal front shuv though so try both, or something in between which also works for me now.

Your mileage may vary, people who have actually this trick good have told me wildly different things so idk if my approach will work for everyone. You really gotta jump super high for it though, definitely not a low effort trick for me.
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I attribute my shitty kickflips to my FS Flips / Hardflips, the more I work on 1 the worse I get at the other. Key difference being the direction of drag and flick - Kickflips are straight and off the tip of the nose, Hardflips / FS Flips are diagonal and off the pocket where your nose / tail kick up.

You're right about it being more scoop than shove, you want a nice hard scoop that give that signature scrape of the tail against the ground. I can tell if I'm going to do a nice one depending on the sound of the scoop, less high pitched snap, and more hollow scrape. That's 75% of the trick. Nothing fancy with the back foot placement, square on the tail as long as you get that scrape-y scoop.

The remaining 25% is the drag and flick - I drag up and sideways so my toe hits the edge of the tail where the nose / tail kicks upwards, instead of straight off the nose like a kickflip. Like a 360 flip it's more about the pressure of the front foot than actually flicking, but I will add a little flick if the board I'm riding is very flat needs a help to come around.

It's a trick that feels easier the higher you can pop / jump to give the board time to go airborne and flip, hence I always pop them off my nose.

Hmmm I never thought about the sound of the tail scraping for any trick, but thats probably something worth paying attention to. Interesting because I can't think of a single trick in my bag where a scraping sound results in better form than a solid sounding pop. Maybe impossibles and pressure flips but don't really have either of those.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on August 17, 2021, 10:18:50 AM
Tried backside flip disaster for like an hour yesterday. Had a couple times where I popped and flipped pretty okay but otherwise it just felt so outta control.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on August 17, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
Re: hardflips, just recently I understood some key things about the foot placement that made those a lot easier to me, basically I make sure to start in 360 flip position (so with the big toe resting heavily on the toe-side edge of the tail), maybe with the front foot closer to the back bolts, toes feel like they must be in the exact center of the board. And then from that position, instead of popping like for a 360 flip you pop straight down, vertically, then the board will naturally stick to the toes on your front foot and that's when you just basically swipe right if goofy or left if regs as if you wanted to unfold the trick though your concave if that image even makes any sense. It really is a sideways flick as your shoulders remain open towards the direction you're going the entire time, so that the trick feels like you're sending it ahead of you when in reality you aren't, but popping straight down with most of your weight over your back leg and your upper body facing your nose will give that impression. Trick generally feels like it needs a harder pop than varial kickflip or heelflip on which you can easily just sweep to the side as you smack the tail, here you need to really use the rebound of the tail smacking and then instantly guide the board with the drag then flick of your front foot to help form it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on August 17, 2021, 06:25:44 PM
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Giving impossibles a break and moving on to hardflips. As a 90s kid, I will be doing them muska style.
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i really want to learn hardflips but its one of those tricks i just don't get, no matter how much youtube i watch... need to be shown them in person really.
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I'll do a clinic when I land my first one.
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Had never even gotten close to one, my fs flips are pretty bad too. Played a fifteen year old in a game of skate, he got me to T after a few blunders on my end, then did a hardflip on me.

Got hit with an fiery eruption of willpower to not lose to a teenager and somehow landed one. Spent a little time playing with it after and now a week later I've been able to do it against my friends in skate.

I think when I just pop and flick minimally like many people say, it goes wayyyy too vertical and I don't know how to jump or stay over it. Seems like its just a pressure ish pop and land for natural hardflippers.

What helped me was to actually try scoop forward like a front shuv (perhaps even more scoop less pop than a front shuv), and flick kind of aggressively backwards and make sure you get your front foot out of the way so the board goes between your legs as horizontally as possible. When I say flick aggressively backwards, I mean way off the side of the board instead of off the nose where you'd do a kickflip since the nose will be rotating towards that direction anyway.

Though I suggest aiming to do a slightly more horizontal one, realistically speaking it will probably still be pretty vertical, just not straight up and down like the ones where you start to question whether it was a hardflip or just a weird backside pop shove it.

I also find my body sometimes having to turn backside a little bit to catch it as it doesn't always rotate the full 180, usually a lil less. You also gotta jump super higher after you do the scoop and flick.

I found it a bit easier to form a proper one with my back foot almost like a tre (with less toe hanging off but definitely on that side of the board). If your foot is on that side and you scoop forward like a front shuv, it will tilt the board and be a bit easier to flick off of so you dont miss the flick. A lot of people do it with their foot in the other pocket like a normal front shuv though so try both, or something in between which also works for me now.

Your mileage may vary, people who have actually this trick good have told me wildly different things so idk if my approach will work for everyone. You really gotta jump super high for it though, definitely not a low effort trick for me.
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I attribute my shitty kickflips to my FS Flips / Hardflips, the more I work on 1 the worse I get at the other. Key difference being the direction of drag and flick - Kickflips are straight and off the tip of the nose, Hardflips / FS Flips are diagonal and off the pocket where your nose / tail kick up.

You're right about it being more scoop than shove, you want a nice hard scoop that give that signature scrape of the tail against the ground. I can tell if I'm going to do a nice one depending on the sound of the scoop, less high pitched snap, and more hollow scrape. That's 75% of the trick. Nothing fancy with the back foot placement, square on the tail as long as you get that scrape-y scoop.

The remaining 25% is the drag and flick - I drag up and sideways so my toe hits the edge of the tail where the nose / tail kicks upwards, instead of straight off the nose like a kickflip. Like a 360 flip it's more about the pressure of the front foot than actually flicking, but I will add a little flick if the board I'm riding is very flat needs a help to come around.

It's a trick that feels easier the higher you can pop / jump to give the board time to go airborne and flip, hence I always pop them off my nose.
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Hmmm I never thought about the sound of the tail scraping for any trick, but thats probably something worth paying attention to. Interesting because I can't think of a single trick in my bag where a scraping sound results in better form than a solid sounding pop. Maybe impossibles and pressure flips but don't really have either of those.

You know in the old THPS games and you do a Boneless? That's the sound I try to achieve.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on August 17, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Pressure flips any tips would be appreciated
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 18, 2021, 01:04:53 AM
Pressure flips any tips would be appreciated
can you do the motion with your back toe yet? Practice that lots because your front foot does absolutely nothing except get out of the way. You also have to basically face forwards when doing one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on August 18, 2021, 01:05:02 PM
Pressure flips any tips would be appreciated

Pressure flips are particularly set-up dependent, as in they will be much easier with the tighter your trucks are which I reckon is part of the original stigma around them, just to say if your trucks are anywhere on the loose side then it's only logical if you struggle a bit.

Like their name implies, they work by applying (straight) downwards pressure on certain specific points of your concave that exist just over your wheels, so while you'll want to pop the tail regardless to get height and power, the key is to focus on positioning your big toe over your wheel (in the case of the inward heelflip-looking ones which I assume is the variation that you want, it's the one on the toe-side of your back truck). Then you jump straight up off that exact point, as if you wanted to drive all your body weight into it. Because such sudden pressure is suddenly applied to what really is the end of an imaginary diagonal line going through your wheelbase, that will cause the board to flip over and through that axis, which is what you want to get if that makes sense. I'd say it kind of feels like some kind of pedaling motion to get the board going.

Ollie impossibles work in a very similar way sometimes so if you can already do those, you could try just giving up on one whilst halfway through it (bailing by landing on the board upside down) because that's essentially the basic motion and from then on you just need to emphasize on the back foot action, and use it to push the board further through the trick as you pop. And if you can't do ollie impossibles then learning pressure flips should definitely help you figure those out, the compatibility in technique works both ways around.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on August 19, 2021, 08:13:21 AM
The secret for hardflips is scooping an upside down fs shuv FIRST, then flicking UPWARDS to get the other half of the rotation. It’s a different feeling flick than any other trick. Other people describe it as trying to flick behind yourself. It’s a bit of both. Flicking upwards and behind yourself. Or atleast that’s how it feels and looks.  When learning this everyone tries to flick first which will never work and you’ll probably just be flicking double flips all day.
Also you know how you have to almost pretend you’re sitting in a chair when setting up for for heel flips? And then for tres you know how you stand over your board like a kickflip but your weight is mostly back in the pop foot? Hardflips are a combination of sitting back in a chair and sitting over your back foot. Shoulders are also very easy to throw off with this trick, but once you get really consistent with the scoop, it becomes super easy
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on August 19, 2021, 08:55:13 AM
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Pressure flips any tips would be appreciated
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can you do the motion with your back toe yet? Practice that lots because your front foot does absolutely nothing except get out of the way. You also have to basically face forwards when doing one.

I can do the motion that gets the board to flip as long as I don't commit to putting my back foot on. As soon as I approach the trick with the thought of attempting to put my back foot on the board just like half wraps around the foot and goes limp lands upside down and nothing happens
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Post by: silhouette on August 19, 2021, 09:06:22 AM
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Pressure flips any tips would be appreciated
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can you do the motion with your back toe yet? Practice that lots because your front foot does absolutely nothing except get out of the way. You also have to basically face forwards when doing one.
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I can do the motion that gets the board to flip as long as I don't commit to putting my back foot on. As soon as I approach the trick with the thought of attempting to put my back foot on the board just like half wraps around the foot and goes limp lands upside down and nothing happens

That means your movement is essentially correct but you need to emphasize on the big toe action more, so that the board flips faster and you don't need the extra down time of your foot literally being down on the ground to fully form the trick. With the right foot placement, the full flip should be automatic and the trick as easy to catch as a pop shove-it. I think you should focus on keeping landing with both feet on the board (even if upside down) and adjusting your back foot placement until you get that faster flip, big toe really has to cover the area of the concave that's over your wheel and you sort of curl it inwards as you pop the tail. Maybe your back foot is too perpendicular to your board (length-wise) too, I'd recommend setting it up at an angle or maybe even parallel (quite a few people do them like that) so that you can really insist on tipping the board over while popping as if you wanted it to go primo super hard.

I just dug up those roughly 15 year old shitty 'sequences' of young me doing a pressure flip late flip and a pressure flip late shove-it on flatground, maybe you can study the back foot positioning and action from them since for both those tricks, the pressure flip part has to happen extra fast: https://imgur.com/a/V5iXhHi
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on August 19, 2021, 07:09:07 PM
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Pressure flips any tips would be appreciated
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can you do the motion with your back toe yet? Practice that lots because your front foot does absolutely nothing except get out of the way. You also have to basically face forwards when doing one.
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I can do the motion that gets the board to flip as long as I don't commit to putting my back foot on. As soon as I approach the trick with the thought of attempting to put my back foot on the board just like half wraps around the foot and goes limp lands upside down and nothing happens
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That means your movement is essentially correct but you need to emphasize on the big toe action more, so that the board flips faster and you don't need the extra down time of your foot literally being down on the ground to fully form the trick. With the right foot placement, the full flip should be automatic and the trick as easy to catch as a pop shove-it. I think you should focus on keeping landing with both feet on the board (even if upside down) and adjusting your back foot placement until you get that faster flip, big toe really has to cover the area of the concave that's over your wheel and you sort of curl it inwards as you pop the tail. Maybe your back foot is too perpendicular to your board (length-wise) too, I'd recommend setting it up at an angle or maybe even parallel (quite a few people do them like that) so that you can really insist on tipping the board over while popping as if you wanted it to go primo super hard.

I just dug up those roughly 15 year old shitty 'sequences' of young me doing a pressure flip late flip and a pressure flip late shove-it on flatground, maybe you can study the back foot positioning and action from them since for both those tricks, the pressure flip part has to happen extra fast: https://imgur.com/a/V5iXhHi

+1 for the 15 year old sequences
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: danisismami on August 27, 2021, 04:45:15 AM
I am currently trying to learn fs alleyoop 5-0s in transition. Really hard for me since you kinda have to balance in the grind.
Also i am trying to learn airs. (bs and fs) You guys got any tips for those?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: gabbesucks on August 30, 2021, 12:07:12 AM
Been trying to learn wallies for a couple months, so hard to get some air time I end up hanging up a lot (wallie over stuff)
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Post by: silhouette on August 30, 2021, 03:05:10 AM
Been trying to learn wallies for a couple months, so hard to get some air time I end up hanging up a lot (wallie over stuff)

Most people who clip on wallies do so because they forget to bring their knees up and most importantly the one on their back leg. On this trick it's tempting to just watch the front truck clear the obstacle and think you've got it made, but then you won't level the trick out and will catch the edge with your back truck. You don't want to just bash into the obstacle, you also want to absorb the impact to get a boost up and over so even though you don't exactly pop the tail on wallies, you still have to jump high enough to clear the thing and use both knees.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: s0sa on August 30, 2021, 07:22:45 AM
any bs smith tips for ledges would be nice
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Post by: tzhangdox on August 30, 2021, 10:37:08 AM
any bs smith tips for ledges would be nice

Ollie into the ledge, not onto the ledge. Push your lower body ahead of your upper body, push the back foot and lean back, dip the front toe. Be very gentle when getting in, you dont want to slam into it or youll definitely stick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dilbert1 on August 30, 2021, 11:14:35 AM
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any bs smith tips for ledges would be nice
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Ollie into the ledge, not onto the ledge. Push your lower body ahead of your upper body, push the back foot and lean back, dip the front toe. Be very gentle when getting in, you dont want to slam into it or youll definitely stick.

also be sure to land in the grind with your back foot pretty far back on the tail, your weight should be back-truck heavy but perching your toes near the edge of the tail as well should guarantee a nicely held grind along with a balanced dismount (or even pop-out)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Coffee on August 31, 2021, 06:48:10 PM
Trying to relearn heelflips has been a bitch. I had them really consistently when I was younger but probably haven’t even tried one for 15+ years until recently and it’s just not working. I can pop and flip good but my front leg somehow goes around the front of the board and lands heel side like if I was trying a kickflip. I’m probably going to just take my flat ground setup to a parking lot soon and just kill myself until I figure it out again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 01, 2021, 04:14:09 AM
Halfcab Crooked grinds. I have done a few but the learning process has been fun. At first I was riding at a harsh angle and it felt impossible. Over time I noticed riding parallel to the ledge has made it significantly easier. I'm still in the stages of trying to nail it down but I'm feeling good about it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cucktard on September 01, 2021, 05:42:41 AM
Cope with fear...

I'm back on the board since 2020 after a 2-3 year hiatus and basically I'm at the level I left, nothing crazy tho just my basic bag of tricks.

But for some reason I'm not evolving anymore since I get this irrational fear of getting hurt. Don't get me wrong when I step on the board I'm the happiest guy in the world but for some reason I can't hit the flatbar like I was doing a couple of months ago because my head won't let me. Like my body knows how to do them boardslides but for some reason I'm scared shitless so I just freeze and end up skating mainly flatground and some pyramids.

Does this happen with anyone else? For instance I'm so scared of falling while skating but when I actually do it doesn't even hurt and it only pumps me to try harder. But when that fall doesn't happen I'm in my mind thinking shit for the whole session

Sorry for the vent

At 45, this is now a daily part of my routine, haha. Things i did as little as two weeks prior can psyche me out, depending on how I’m mentally feeling.  I’ve never had much pop, but a shin-high flat bar that i used you do all the time 10 years ago scares me, and took a good deal of confidence building to try it again.

It really is just about confidence, and lack thereof.

When i was young, i was able to accept that I might need to eat shit a few times to get something, but confident that if i could get the feeling, i could eventually get the landing. At 45, I’m not willing to risk as much. So I skate more timidly, and that makes trying uncomfortable stuff kinda dangerous, because I get nervous, get stiff, and make things even worse.

I guess just try to build confidence back by working with your strengths, and choose your battles.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on September 02, 2021, 03:24:23 PM
Over the last few session I’ve really dialed in kickflip manuals and I’m too stoked. Still working on getting bs smiths consistent and trying to learn bs tails
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Post by: Paco Supreme on September 03, 2021, 08:24:42 PM
Not a trick, but I’m trying to learn to love a short nose.

It’s taking me a good while
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Post by: Dwyck on September 05, 2021, 05:17:34 PM
Nollie shuv manual
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Post by: bongboarder420 on September 11, 2021, 06:37:39 PM
boardslide to feeble on curbs, got into feeble a couple of times today but couldn’t hold it and come out regular
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dime a dozen trend skater on September 12, 2021, 01:48:55 PM
I'm gonna give back tails another go, I stall them on curbs but never been able to get much of a slide. since perfecting my front tail technique on higher ledges and getting them to slide I think I can kind of apply it to back tails.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: somefucker on September 13, 2021, 06:52:29 AM
in my 14ish years of skating I have yet to understand how to crooked grind on a ledge/rail. I've done them, but so inconsistently it doesn't feel like I have truly learned them. slips into noseslide after a foot or so.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dime a dozen trend skater on September 13, 2021, 11:13:09 AM
I'm gonna give back tails another go, I stall them on curbs but never been able to get much of a slide. since perfecting my front tail technique on higher ledges and getting them to slide I think I can kind of apply it to back tails.
unfortunately this trick isn’t going work until I get better at back 50-50s it seems
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 13, 2021, 08:27:14 PM
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I'm gonna give back tails another go, I stall them on curbs but never been able to get much of a slide. since perfecting my front tail technique on higher ledges and getting them to slide I think I can kind of apply it to back tails.
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unfortunately this trick isn’t going work until I get better at back 50-50s it seems

Gotta have a solid BS 50-50 as foundation for BS Tails, more for being comfortable riding up and ollie-ing BS onto stuff, getting your shoulders to cooperate.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 14, 2021, 01:25:29 AM
Still working on my switch 270 power slides to back tail slappy but I’ve landed a few now.
Also, started popping into nollie back 50-50, but a lot of the times it’s more like a nollie back 50 and then I place the front truck down. Makes me think nollie back smith might actually be a better option…
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 17, 2021, 11:06:38 PM
FS 180 nosegrind and 1/2 cab crooked grind.

I can do BS 180 nosegrind if I just bite down, commit and brace for a fall, but the FS 180 version baffles me.

Same goes for 1/2 cab crooked grinds, no idea how to aim my front truck.
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Post by: dime a dozen trend skater on September 17, 2021, 11:41:39 PM
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I'm gonna give back tails another go, I stall them on curbs but never been able to get much of a slide. since perfecting my front tail technique on higher ledges and getting them to slide I think I can kind of apply it to back tails.
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unfortunately this trick isn’t going work until I get better at back 50-50s it seems
progress has been made on both back 5050s and tails, I finally figured out back 5050s are pretty easy if I just ollie at an angle as opposed to parallel to the ledge. I also tried a few back tails using an angle on the approach and got some slide action on a curb. I feel a lot more confident popping backside with an angle (less of a blindspot) so I may give them a try on an actual ledge again.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 18, 2021, 01:44:53 AM
FS 180 nosegrind and 1/2 cab crooked grind.

I can do BS 180 nosegrind if I just bite down, commit and brace for a fall, but the FS 180 version baffles me.

Same goes for 1/2 cab crooked grinds, no idea how to aim my front truck.

If you can do a good backside noseslide to fakie, you just gotta turn a little bit more. Key is to keep the nose in a fixed position over the edge of the ledge where you wanna lock in, and swing your back foot around. That way you're more likely to lock your truck in as opposed to going into a boardslide or wheels on top or something. Obviously shoulders gotta be swinging too.

Another small thing that always helps me get the truck on is to push the heel of your front foot down when mid-air, that way it tilts your board slightly so its not completely flat during the rotation, and actually helps expose your truck to the edge of the ledge a bit better. Kind of hard to explain but it really helps me get into 180 nosegrinds when they don't work very well. For backside ones just put pressure on the front toe before getting in.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 18, 2021, 09:14:26 PM
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FS 180 nosegrind and 1/2 cab crooked grind.

I can do BS 180 nosegrind if I just bite down, commit and brace for a fall, but the FS 180 version baffles me.

Same goes for 1/2 cab crooked grinds, no idea how to aim my front truck.
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If you can do a good backside noseslide to fakie, you just gotta turn a little bit more. Key is to keep the nose in a fixed position over the edge of the ledge where you wanna lock in, and swing your back foot around. That way you're more likely to lock your truck in as opposed to going into a boardslide or wheels on top or something. Obviously shoulders gotta be swinging too.

Another small thing that always helps me get the truck on is to push the heel of your front foot down when mid-air, that way it tilts your board slightly so its not completely flat during the rotation, and actually helps expose your truck to the edge of the ledge a bit better. Kind of hard to explain but it really helps me get into 180 nosegrinds when they don't work very well. For backside ones just put pressure on the front toe before getting in.

Landed on top of the ledge and slipped out hard but I rolled away with 2. My back, shoulders and ass took a pounding to get it.

Getting the back foot to complete the rotation was essential to staying on top of the ledge and not over rotating. When I was under rotating I would end up in a noseslide or best case a very slightly pinched one grinding at an angle. And I was aiming too far ahead of where my truck should be locking, so I was over extending the FS 180 in front of me instead of almost parallel to my board.

Corrected this by telling myself to aim my front truck on top of the coping, just 3 inches in front of my shoulder.

Thanks @tzhangdox
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 18, 2021, 11:35:59 PM
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FS 180 nosegrind and 1/2 cab crooked grind.

I can do BS 180 nosegrind if I just bite down, commit and brace for a fall, but the FS 180 version baffles me.

Same goes for 1/2 cab crooked grinds, no idea how to aim my front truck.
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If you can do a good backside noseslide to fakie, you just gotta turn a little bit more. Key is to keep the nose in a fixed position over the edge of the ledge where you wanna lock in, and swing your back foot around. That way you're more likely to lock your truck in as opposed to going into a boardslide or wheels on top or something. Obviously shoulders gotta be swinging too.

Another small thing that always helps me get the truck on is to push the heel of your front foot down when mid-air, that way it tilts your board slightly so its not completely flat during the rotation, and actually helps expose your truck to the edge of the ledge a bit better. Kind of hard to explain but it really helps me get into 180 nosegrinds when they don't work very well. For backside ones just put pressure on the front toe before getting in.
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Landed on top of the ledge and slipped out hard but I rolled away with 2. My back, shoulders and ass took a pounding to get it.

Getting the back foot to complete the rotation was essential to staying on top of the ledge and not over rotating. When I was under rotating I would end up in a noseslide or best case a very slightly pinched one grinding at an angle. And I was aiming too far ahead of where my truck should be locking, so I was over extending the FS 180 in front of me instead of almost parallel to my board.

Corrected this by telling myself to aim my front truck on top of the coping, just 3 inches in front of my shoulder.

Thanks @tzhangdox

The pinched ones are sick, useful if you want to pop out in the middle. If you want to do them back to regular like a tweaked out noseslide, pinching them is definitely the way to go there too.
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Post by: Dwyck on September 25, 2021, 04:14:01 PM
Frontside cab. I can nollie back 3 pretty consistently and I'm trying to just mentally do it backwards a la silhouette's switch flip tip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on September 25, 2021, 04:46:38 PM
Cab flip, nollie fs and bs flip, bigflip, switch bs flip, nollie hardflip
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: CorneliusCardew on September 25, 2021, 08:30:53 PM
Switch front heel out of a bump
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Post by: YungJugg on September 27, 2021, 03:00:53 PM
just noticed I developed a little hop-tic right before I pop most tricks... it feels good but looks horrible. working on eliminating that.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dr.prestige on September 27, 2021, 05:47:57 PM
I'm trying to learn switch backside 360s on a hip/pyramid since I learned normal ones on hips, daydreamed of getting them switch at one point and then saw some kid nearly half my age making them at the park. I got super jealous and since then have been making a fool of myself trying them over and over again. Similar shit happened when I saw a kid close to a third of my age making blunt to fakies, that made me feel even worse because they're fucking terrifying and the kid that was making them started skating after the pandemic lockdown started. It's not fair to be Gen Z, I wish my brain/body was still that malleable. No disrespect to the Zoomer Slap pals out there, but it hurts my ego to watch y'all skate sometimes.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: layzieyez on September 28, 2021, 11:37:44 AM
Slappy variations on a regular ass curb with hardly any slope.

My artisanal curbs were great for building confidence and figuring out the movements, but a gritty parking lot curb with all its imperfections even after rub bricking and lacquering out in the wild makes it more satisfying.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on September 28, 2021, 02:21:28 PM
Bluntslides. I’m convinced everyone is just born with these tricks besides me. Never seen a soul practicing them or trying to learn them but people of all ages are always busting out perfect blunts on obstacles of all sizes. The few pieces of advice I have managed to get from people, was very vague, like they barely understood it themselves. Funny enough, I think bs noseblunt will be my first variation to learn. It’s the only one I can kinda get in to
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dr.prestige on September 28, 2021, 02:24:41 PM
Bluntslides. I’m convinced everyone is just born with these tricks besides me. Never seen a soul practicing them or trying to learn them but people of all ages are always randomly busting out perfect blunts on obstacles of all sizes. The few pieces of advice I have managed to get from people, was very vague, like they barely understood it themselves. Funny enough, I think bs noseblunt will be my first variation to learn. It’s the only one I can kinda get in to

I have trouble with this one too. I started getting them when I started to position my back foot farther down the tail towards the edge, something about the additional leverage helps the stability and slide
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on September 28, 2021, 02:26:41 PM
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Bluntslides. I’m convinced everyone is just born with these tricks besides me. Never seen a soul practicing them or trying to learn them but people of all ages are always randomly busting out perfect blunts on obstacles of all sizes. The few pieces of advice I have managed to get from people, was very vague, like they barely understood it themselves. Funny enough, I think bs noseblunt will be my first variation to learn. It’s the only one I can kinda get in to
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I have trouble with this one too. I started getting them when I started to position my back foot farther down the tail towards the edge, something about the additional leverage helps the stability and slide
Thankyou, this is the most legit piece of advice I’ve heard so far
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Post by: Chatbot on September 28, 2021, 04:06:51 PM
Bluntslides. I’m convinced everyone is just born with these tricks besides me. Never seen a soul practicing them or trying to learn them but people of all ages are always busting out perfect blunts on obstacles of all sizes. The few pieces of advice I have managed to get from people, was very vague, like they barely understood it themselves. Funny enough, I think bs noseblunt will be my first variation to learn. It’s Theo only one I can kinda get in to

Bluntslides aren’t hard once you figure out the angle to approach the ledge but bs noseblunts? I can’t even lock into this on a curb. It just doesn’t make sense to me. I wish you luck though. If you get them, please report back with the secret.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 28, 2021, 06:48:09 PM
I need to figure out how to pop stuff lower. I see people with tiny Tre flips that meet you on the ground. Also little like baby hight kickflips. I need to figure this out.  I've never been able to skate light. I'm like putting everything into it or it's not going to work usually
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 28, 2021, 08:52:21 PM
I need to figure out how to pop stuff lower. I see people with tiny Tre flips that meet you on the ground. Also little like baby hight kickflips. I need to figure this out.  I've never been able to skate light. I'm like putting everything into it or it's not going to work usually

do a few lil ollies up a curb and try do a kickflip with that technique
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 01, 2021, 04:14:46 AM
Technically I already "Learned" them but Fakie Frontside Heelflips. A friend did one against me in a game of skate yesterday and although it felt unnatural as fuck for me to try it I almost did one. After the game I practiced them for a bit and did 3-4 sketchy ones. Halfcab direction is more natural for me so I'm still struggling with getting a full 180 on them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: theoriginalgoon on October 01, 2021, 05:25:25 AM
Been trying this for so fucking long but I want it so bad for some reason lmao… been trying to learn bs lip to bs losi nollie fs 180 out on round flat bars. Fs 180 so ducking hard on low flat bars
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Post by: Sharp-o on October 04, 2021, 05:04:14 AM
Been working on sw tres all summer
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Post by: Skatebeard on October 04, 2021, 07:08:41 AM
FS flips...

I can do half of the trick every time but can't figure out the pivot out, i need to learn to catch the flip with my front foot and pivot, or go for the full 180... i'm sort of caught inbetween at the moment, tend to land somewhere past 90 degrees and just stop dead.

On the plus side I guess I can do the trick on a bank now.

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Post by: CorneliusCardew on October 04, 2021, 07:28:22 PM
I have been tossing Lazer flips but not getting close. I want to try them off something
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Post by: CannerSpaghetti on October 04, 2021, 09:07:34 PM
Manuel backside revert fakie manuel halfcab out
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Post by: franquietits on October 09, 2021, 11:43:42 PM
I know for some people kickflips come and go. I use to be a mob-flipper myself, and had to work my way out of that, cause I wasn't getting consistent ones. Learning that and figuring out the different mechanics takes some time, so I was very impressed with the quality of this kickflip trick-tip done by a girl with less than 2 years of skate experience. I think it's worth posting, and could help anyone working on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GDJCNESgGQ
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on October 10, 2021, 09:54:37 AM
just noticed I developed a little hop-tic right before I pop most tricks... it feels good but looks horrible. working on eliminating that.

I do this too, and I've always done it setting up to hit rails on a snowboard as well.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: theoriginalgoon on October 10, 2021, 04:50:43 PM
fakie fs 180 bs nosegrind bench. cant pop high enough to turn without clipping the bench, cause im not going from the end of the bench but middle of it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on October 10, 2021, 06:10:55 PM
Bs crook nollie heel out
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on October 10, 2021, 11:52:22 PM
Kickflip down something higher than a curb. I can do it down curbs but anything bigger (even a two stair) doesn’t work. My body doesn’t want to do it. Are there any mind tricks to overcome this?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on October 11, 2021, 12:46:10 AM
Kickflip down something higher than a curb. I can do it down curbs but anything bigger (even a two stair) doesn’t work. My body doesn’t want to do it. Are there any mind tricks to overcome this?

Yes, convince yourself that you're just ollieing down the set until it's exactly the right time to flick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on October 11, 2021, 03:47:25 AM
Kickflip down something higher than a curb. I can do it down curbs but anything bigger (even a two stair) doesn’t work. My body doesn’t want to do it. Are there any mind tricks to overcome this?
Jump straight up (as opposed to jumping forward/out) in the air, shoulders and all. Get a great snappy pop too. Slow the flick down the higher the drop. This should make the board glue back to your feet all nice like when you catch it. It’s why kickflips are the most fun trick to do down stuff
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Damoforce on October 12, 2021, 07:55:44 PM
Trying to learn varial heels. Finally getting the full rotation and flip. But it always shoots in front of me. And then when I lean more front foot it doesn't flip :/
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: xandeo on October 13, 2021, 03:34:54 AM
Relearned fakie back crooked grinds on the last session - used to them pretty decently 15+ years ago.

Now building up confidence to give fakie fs crooks a go as well... done them in the past too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: roba on October 13, 2021, 05:06:06 AM
back tails and switch crooks
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Post by: Skatebeard on October 13, 2021, 05:56:08 AM
Trying to learn varial heels. Finally getting the full rotation and flip. But it always shoots in front of me. And then when I lean more front foot it doesn't flip :/

this trick is my nightmare, been trying to learn them on and off for months... all I can say is maybe try them fakie, I got a lot closer to those.

I learnt Half cab flips and fakie FS flips over the weekend, the former came way easier than the latter, but i'm still struggling to roll away without tic tac-ing, need to get the confidence up and go faster i guess.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ssbsminotti on October 13, 2021, 04:38:42 PM
Trying to learn halfcab noseslides… probably did 8 sketchy ones and 2 good ones last sesh! Got into halfcab crooks on more than one occasion, but I don’t know how to get out of crooks so..
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sifter on October 13, 2021, 04:54:05 PM
Kickflips!  I never learned any flatters besides 180s and pop shuvs.  I've been filming my 'progression' with them and might do a little video eventually.  I know there's heaps of progression videos popping up but having the camera on helps a bit when you're trying kickflips by yourself at age 32 and overweight.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: E on October 14, 2021, 11:09:50 AM
Any one have tre fip tip/advice for landing with both feet towards the nose of the board? Am I leaning too much toeside or too much weight on the front foot in general? Lean back more?

Thanks
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Post by: dr.prestige on October 14, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
Any one have tre fip tip/advice for landing with both feet towards the nose of the board? Am I leaning too much toeside or too much weight on the front foot in general? Lean back more?

Thanks

I think the only tip I have for this is focus on jumping in the direction of your toes and your popping foot when you tre (if you're regular foot and your toes are facing north, jump northeast. if you're goofy foot and your toes are facing north jump northwest). Additionally I would say that just doing tres over and over again will naturally fine tune your abilities to do them over a few weeks, but I'm sure you're already aware of that.

I'm using this post to talk more about tre flips. I saw a video on instagram one time of a simple way to explain how to do a shove it, and I think that the same explanation can be applied to tre flips (obviously with different foot positioning and a lot more scoop than a shove): basically the guy said that an easy way to learn how to scoop your back foot is by standing on the ground with your back foot on a water bottle, then jump and at the same time push the water bottle behind you. Since I saw this video I imagine myself doing the same thing when I do tres and it works pretty well, I land them a lot more consistently.

On that note I've been starting to realize recently that most flip tricks are a lot easier if you don't try to think about it and just let your muscle memory do the work. I learned how to do backside flips on hips consistently by putting my feet in kickflip position and then instead of thinking about doing the backside flip I roll up to the hip saying to myself in my head "ollie backside 180" over and over, and that way I don't fuck up the flick or the catch. I think this works for me because overthinking things and being too conscious of oneself makes it so that the motions of a trick that are supposed to be subtle become overexaggerated.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on October 17, 2021, 10:00:30 AM
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Kickflip down something higher than a curb. I can do it down curbs but anything bigger (even a two stair) doesn’t work. My body doesn’t want to do it. Are there any mind tricks to overcome this?
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Jump straight up (as opposed to jumping forward/out) in the air, shoulders and all. Get a great snappy pop too. Slow the flick down the higher the drop. This should make the board glue back to your feet all nice like when you catch it. It’s why kickflips are the most fun trick to do down stuff
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Kickflip down something higher than a curb. I can do it down curbs but anything bigger (even a two stair) doesn’t work. My body doesn’t want to do it. Are there any mind tricks to overcome this?
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Yes, convince yourself that you're just ollieing down the set until it's exactly the right time to flick.

Thanks guys, I am not quite there yet. I need to find a nice low two or three stair with a decent run up.

In the meantime I have been working on 5-0s. I got into them and can grind a bit (tail scraping mostly) but then I kinda fall off the curb when the truck gradually slips of. I roll away but it looks and feels disgusting.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on November 08, 2021, 06:14:21 PM
Landed some 1/2 assed BS Smith grinds on a ledge, not enough dip so my friends were giving me grief on that.

And BS Lipslides, a friend who I hadn't skated with in a few weeks learned them on a whim and had them consistent. Time to nut up or shut up about this trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dr.prestige on November 09, 2021, 10:02:52 AM
I had a fun parking block session last night trying fs 180 to fakie fs suski on the other side (or fs 180 to fakie fs 5-o, or fs 180 to switch fs nosegrind, or fs 180 to switch fs overcrook, whatever bullshit nomenclature satisfies you the most). I've gotten them half cab out to forwards in the past, I got one good one holding the grind to fakie without really trying to go that direction at the beginning of the session and then spent the rest of the session trying to do another good one to basically no avail. I ended up doing a bunch of bs blunts tweaked slightly frontside, as well as doing a few half cab outs on accident. Anyone done this one in the past and knows how to hold the grind better? Also, anyone have any tips for stepping this up to a more challenging obstacle like a flatbar or something? I'd like to do this on something else that could hold the pinch a little better than the parking block I was trying it on, which slips out into blunt super easily.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dr.prestige on November 09, 2021, 10:05:50 AM
Landed some 1/2 assed BS Smith grinds on a ledge, not enough dip so my friends were giving me grief on that.

And BS Lipslides, a friend who I hadn't skated with in a few weeks learned them on a whim and had them consistent. Time to nut up or shut up about this trick.

I don't dip my back smiths enough either lol. Honestly if I get any at all I take 'em.

I learned back lips on accident trying to learn back smiths, I wish I could do them on purpose without cracking my board when I try them. It seems like when my brain knows it's going for a back lip it makes my feet stomp into it way more than I would for a back smith, I wish I had more subconscious control of my body for things like that
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Pbn_jake on June 01, 2022, 03:47:48 PM
Bs feeble front shove out
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 02, 2022, 02:38:35 AM
I had a fun parking block session last night trying fs 180 to fakie fs suski on the other side (or fs 180 to fakie fs 5-o, or fs 180 to switch fs nosegrind, or fs 180 to switch fs overcrook, whatever bullshit nomenclature satisfies you the most). I've gotten them half cab out to forwards in the past, I got one good one holding the grind to fakie without really trying to go that direction at the beginning of the session and then spent the rest of the session trying to do another good one to basically no avail. I ended up doing a bunch of bs blunts tweaked slightly frontside, as well as doing a few half cab outs on accident. Anyone done this one in the past and knows how to hold the grind better? Also, anyone have any tips for stepping this up to a more challenging obstacle like a flatbar or something? I'd like to do this on something else that could hold the pinch a little better than the parking block I was trying it on, which slips out into blunt super easily.

It's not exactly what you're trying but I've been relearning frontside 180 into fakie 5-0's on ledges lately (used to do those as a kid back when I was in the typical 180 into 50-50 phase) and I basically approach them from a wide angle then like a really over turned alley-oop frontside 5-0 (think how you would wind up trying it on transition/coping except you pop). The ledge I've been doing them on isn't much higher than a big parking block, but is one-sided and has a round top (which makes it horrible for bluntslides, smiths and crooked grinds but here forces you to aim just right for the edge). I think holding the grind really depends on getting into the right position, but since you're trying it with the tweak, how comfortable are you with sw crooks, can you hold those? Something you could do on your parking block too is approaching from the other way (frontside) and practicing 180 into sw crooks like an overturned frontside tailslide. Not that you would even need to land that (might as well though) but just getting into the position over and over again will teach you the right amount and angle of truck and weight distribution you ideally wish for when coming in from the other way for the other trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mark Renton on June 02, 2022, 03:41:16 AM
On ledges:

- nollie front nose

- sw nosegrind almost just tapping to fakie bigspin out

- bs tails need to come before the end of summer

On flat bars:

- front board 3shuv out

On flat:

- fakie hardflips

All of these are a bit too gnarly for me but I’m slowly figuring them out and I believe I can get them if I put in the right amount of hours into them.
Key is obsessing and trying trying sometimes I just can’t be arsed tho.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 02, 2022, 04:11:22 AM
Key is obsessing and trying trying sometimes I just can’t be arsed tho.

The key actually is never trying, only doing. Not to come off as some asshat recommending some pseudo-motivational mindset, but it's just the best skate advice I've ever been given and whenever I too pass it onto the next person it always seems to generate results as they figure it out themselves. At the end of the day, the skater is the one in control of what the board does or doesn't and if the trick works out or not and if they have the basic technical skills to even consider the trick then baring terrain-related happenstance (e.g.. catching an unseen crack) it's really all mental whether they do it or not and learning skating has a lot to do with learning how to control that. I feel like a lot of times, subconsciously, some tricks feel so good they already bring contentment just to come close to and repeatedly bail, so we're tempted to stay away from validating them as if that had to mean moving on, or be too much disbelief. Or sometimes we find excuses, but we're really lowering the bar to our own selves and cheapening our challenge (hence a big part of skating being directly tied to self-confidence). Now figuring out the aforementioned basic tech behind tricks experimenting with trial and error naturally is one thing and also quite the process. I'm talking about the ones where the skater obviously has the rudimentary skills for and will still spend an hour or two repeating the exact same mistake at the same last moment only to drive themselves insane over the events like some downwards spiral (during which it usually becomes more obvious that they really don't want or believe that they could do the trick). So this is not personally addressed to you, just you said trying and trying is key and I wanted to drop the reminder that only so much so. Always saw (and endured myself) many, many wasted hours really faking a struggle against one simple movement that realistically should only take one go without any overthinking. It's almost like part of not learning or doing a trick is directly tied to how comfortable we are with accepting the idea that yes, if one really wants to then they're actually able to get to the point where they do it on command.

Nollie front nose is one of the best tricks, (maybe obviously) technically shares a lot of similarities with switch front tail.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Mark Renton on June 02, 2022, 05:08:20 AM
Amen brother. Gnarred.
That’s basically me and what I meant.
I love the struggle of trying a trick but yeah sometimes I create it.

Je ne parle pas anglais.  :)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: oak leaf on June 02, 2022, 07:24:32 AM
i have a small bag of tricks and they aren’t very pretty so at this point im working on skating faster
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MC3 on June 07, 2022, 08:33:44 AM
Transition. My hometown didn’t have a skatepark so I hadn’t skated transition for a big chunk of my formative years. Trying to get more comfortable with it and also flowing around a skatepark, better ollies off hips and banks.

Goes between feeling amazing and feeling like soggy cereal
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on June 07, 2022, 08:47:31 AM
Hospital flips and fakie hospital flips, try as I might I just can't commit my back/popping foot to land the trick, i've got the front foot motion and board movement pretty down... but can't put the land together.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 07, 2022, 09:03:07 AM
Hospital flips and fakie hospital flips, try as I might I just can't commit my back/popping foot to land the trick, i've got the front foot motion and board movement pretty down... but can't put the land together.

Imagine it's a pop shove-it you're catching, it's really the exact same thing, don't think 'straight trick' at least for your first few. Landing should feel just about the same regardless of how vertical or sideways your motion goes.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tom on June 12, 2022, 04:37:54 PM
I tried front shuv back 50's today for the first time in my nearly two and a half decades of skating. It wasn't that hard to ride away from once I started to fully commit. I should've tried them a long time ago. Next up is figuring out front shut back nosegrinds or maybe front shuv back 5-0's

I learned to ollie into back blunts a couple years ago after doing them on quarterpipes and banks forever. I'm still scared to try them frontside, but I'm trying to work up the courage to figure them out
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 12, 2022, 07:59:04 PM
Been trying a couple things, both nose grinds.

1) slappy fs nose grind longer than 6 inches. I can't hold these for the life of me and I can only take them to fakie. A park near my work was recently remodeled and they added a buttery curb there so I'm committed to getting these down.

2) Ollie into fs nosegrind. I'm admittedly pretty bad at any nose manuals so maybe I should try to get those down first, but I can't even get these on super low ledges. My weight is probably off and I end up sticking and falling forward
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on June 13, 2022, 12:22:17 PM
Been trying a couple things, both nose grinds.

1) slappy fs nose grind longer than 6 inches. I can't hold these for the life of me and I can only take them to fakie. A park near my work was recently remodeled and they added a buttery curb there so I'm committed to getting these down.

2) Ollie into fs nosegrind. I'm admittedly pretty bad at any nose manuals so maybe I should try to get those down first, but I can't even get these on super low ledges. My weight is probably off and I end up sticking and falling forward

I think in both cases what you want to achieve is getting your weight over the curb or ledge on the nosegrind. To fakie on the slappy probably means you're not completely sitting over the front truck and piloting the nosegrind right from above, sounds like you instead may be having your weight away from the edge and extending your leg to drive the front truck into it nonetheless to make up for that. For nosegrinds in general you want as much of the truck locked in as possible (ideally up to the next wheel) for stability, that's when they become basically glorified nosemanuals on slick obstacles (and where learning those would indeed help), 'shying' away from them is actually more dangerous.

Crooked grinds are very similar too, I was actually just teaching to someone at the park, for those one wants to sort of sidestep onto the ledge during a ollie and then really stomp and crush that front truck with all their might from up top, really standing on it or else that's how the weird semi noseslide ones happen. 'To the side' approach feels wrong for those tricks, you really want to think 'up and over'.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Stu Pickles on June 13, 2022, 07:53:39 PM
i made posts on it long ago, and it took me a year, but i finally figured out fs crooks. going faster was actually the biggest factor in getting them more consistent. super stoked. getting up and over like silhouette said, popped as if i was going for a nosegrind but then tweaking it and putting it down once i was over the ledge. stay square with shoulders and a little push and pop out and the dopamine hits hard on the roll away.

back smiths are up next
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on June 19, 2022, 02:23:39 PM
BS nosepicks on transition... is it a nosepick when you don't indy grab yank it in? I did a few bs nose pivots (that's what I'd call em, no pop or yank in) on a mellow quarter today, but I want to "pop" back into the transition soon. Would be fun to learn the yank in as well.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Pbn_jake on June 20, 2022, 06:45:14 AM
BS nosepicks on transition... is it a nosepick when you don't indy grab yank it in? I did a few bs nose pivots (that's what I'd call em, no pop or yank in) on a mellow quarter today, but I want to "pop" back into the transition soon. Would be fun to learn the yank in as well.

I think it’s a g-turn if you don’t pop and/or yank out. Did you pop into the stall?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on June 20, 2022, 12:08:10 PM
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BS nosepicks on transition... is it a nosepick when you don't indy grab yank it in? I did a few bs nose pivots (that's what I'd call em, no pop or yank in) on a mellow quarter today, but I want to "pop" back into the transition soon. Would be fun to learn the yank in as well.
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I think it’s a g-turn if you don’t pop and/or yank out. Did you pop into the stall?

Nah, just rode up and set into it
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on June 20, 2022, 01:01:59 PM
Still Tre.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: DERBY on June 23, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
50-50s. how do you lock your trucks into place? every attempt i’ve made i end up slanted and hung up
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatetron580 on July 07, 2022, 08:35:48 PM
I am trying to learn calmness and consistency
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on July 07, 2022, 10:47:01 PM
50-50s. how do you lock your trucks into place? every attempt i’ve made i end up slanted and hung up

I know cross locking exists….but I am unable to describe how to do it…
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FatGuy92 on July 10, 2022, 03:21:25 PM
50-50s. how do you lock your trucks into place? every attempt i’ve made i end up slanted and hung up

Ledge or rail? Fs or bs?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: BurgerCop on July 13, 2022, 04:01:24 PM
Trying to get my goddamn hardflips back.
I'm 41 years old, got my kickflips bangin again, got my heelflips, got my backside flips back, got my nollie flips back, got my 360 flips back (in my day we didn't say "Tre flip"). But the goddamn hard flip evades me.
Back in my teens and twenties the hard flip was my go-to trick! Full on button trick. I really thought I'd get them back before any of the others but, my god is it being a pain in my ass. And I can't get my FS flips back until I get my hard flip back.
Arrrgghhh

Also FS Noseslide. Bruh it's gotta be the most slept on trick out there. A good FS nose slide is hard as fuck to pull off.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 13, 2022, 08:34:10 PM
Trying to relearn 360 flips and trying to learn blunt slides on curbs. Got the pop in and out but just need to carve in more and commit to the slide.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on July 14, 2022, 02:20:36 AM
BS flips... still

I can land a handful but struggle to roll away clean as i just can't get my shoulders round, I instinctively turn them back on myself when I land the trick so it stops me dead.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hubba Bo-Tep on July 14, 2022, 05:15:17 AM
Trying to relearn 360 flips and trying to learn blunt slides on curbs. Got the pop in and out but just need to carve in more and commit to the slide.

I've got the pop-in and a decently lengthy slide but the pop-out and ride away clean only happens if my weight is 'just right' during the slide.  For what it's worth, I come at the curb at a very slight angle that's just a few degrees off parallel.  I don't believe I carve into it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 14, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
@wrinkletusk that’s what I meant. I started almost straight on to get used to the feel of on/off. I’m not that great at wording.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: aàáâäæãå on July 15, 2022, 10:23:42 PM
50-50s. how do you lock your trucks into place? every attempt i’ve made i end up slanted and hung up

If it’s on a ledge/rail, imagine locking the inside of the wheels against the feature.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on July 15, 2022, 11:54:00 PM
BS Lipslides, my local just got new flatbars that are the right height, so I got zero excuses now.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfakie on July 16, 2022, 01:22:46 PM
Trying to relearn 360 flips and trying to learn blunt slides on curbs. Got the pop in and out but just need to carve in more and commit to the slide.

im also trying to relearn 360 flips. gone were the days they were easier for me than kickflips :'(
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 17, 2022, 09:49:25 AM
Getting closer to Nollie 360 flips on flat. Not really a trick I like to see but I feel like I might be able to pull one and at my age, why not?

Going to recommit to relearning backside airs. Started toying with them a bit. Need to pad up and find the right transition to really go for it. Watched Tom Knox (OG) Risk It uncut last night and that really inspired me.

Just learned Nollie lip slide shuv it out on curbs. Dumb and easy. Not sure why I never tried them before...
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 18, 2022, 12:54:11 AM
 Properly popped front shuvs
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on July 18, 2022, 12:56:52 AM
Getting closer to Nollie 360 flips on flat. Not really a trick I like to see but I feel like I might be able to pull one and at my age, why not?

Going to recommit to relearning backside airs. Started toying with them a bit. Need to pad up and find the right transition to really go for it. Watched Tom Knox (OG) Risk It uncut last night and that really inspired me.

Just learned Nollie lip slide shuv it out on curbs. Dumb and easy. Not sure why I never tried them before...

Nollie 360 flip can really be a low effort trick, much more so than regular 360 flip which I personally regard as high effort (when you're popping them). Daewon used to just fling those out and land them pre-Love Child not even knowing what they were supposed to be, or called. It's basically a nollie 360 shove from a particular foot placement that has the toe interfere and rub the concave instead of keeping the board flat, as soon as you've figured out the correct pressure points you should be golden. Don't have to fight against the momentum like you have to for a 360 flip since you're going with it, so in fact it actually helps (means that speed does, too). Arguably easier to learn on flat than straight nollie flip.

Are you doing the shove-it out of nollie lip frontside or backside (where the board spins 270), frontside works well on rails but feels weird, backside works well on curbs/ledges and feels pretty cool. I'd recommend trying turning with that one too (so nollie lip, backside 270) even if that means gazelle out/revert, probably illegal to the most insecure, but really some stupid good fun.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on July 18, 2022, 06:36:07 AM
Fs feebles down rails. I can lock in to them and slide them to the end of the rail pretty consistently, but I’m still new to skating down rails and I suck at riding or popping off at the end.

Missing the rail was my biggest fear but it’s happened to me a bunch of times now and it’s never that bad surprisingly. What does suck is accidentally landing in a fs board. Especially when you’ve done a kinda shit ollie so your weight isn’t right. I was leaned back a bit once when that happened and I got smoked
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 18, 2022, 06:56:42 AM
Honestly just a normal nose manual. I used to have them on lock 20 years ago when I rode smaller and lower decks but on a longer setup it feels wonky. I basically ollie up and get into one for a split second before the rear wheels touch or I pitch no in between.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: vicious cycle on July 18, 2022, 09:28:18 AM
I try to relearn my kickflips.
Somewhere on the way, I kinda lost them.
I skated 6 DLX 8.28s in a row and my kickflips basically been on point.
I switched to a different shape.
Magenta 8.25.
And different grip, pepper instead of jessup ultra .
Overall nothing drastically different.
My fakieflips are still good. 360 flip is still there.
Heelflips are kinda mobbed and turn to the left but I don't like heelflips that much anyway.
Somehow I totally lost the timing of my kickflips on flat and honestly it drives me nuts..
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 18, 2022, 10:43:31 AM
Those are fairly different boards. That 8.28 is real short with longer kicks and little fingers of flat. The 8.25 bumps up the WB and fingers of flat and tends to have a sharper rise to the kicks and is a bit fuller.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: vicious cycle on July 18, 2022, 11:03:41 AM
Those are fairly different boards. That 8.28 is real short with longer kicks and little fingers of flat. The 8.25 bumps up the WB and fingers of flat and tends to have a sharper rise to the kicks and is a bit fuller.
Indeed.
But it's my second Magenta 8.25 in a row now and I used to skate this shape before I found the 8.28.
Sadly they had been out of stock everywhere back then so I just bought 3 of the Magentas..
It can be so hard to adapt to this shape again.
Maybe it's all in my head.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 19, 2022, 07:23:02 AM
Magenta uses the same generic shapes all the other BBS brands do so you don't have to try that one specifically.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 19, 2022, 07:45:58 AM
me and some homies have been trying the straight 8 challenge for shuvs, and I've come to realize that switch bs shuvs are very difficult for me. Give me enough tries and I'll land one, but they're really bad and barely at a snail's pace.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 19, 2022, 08:30:48 AM
Fuck, I'm pretty good at them and would gladly trade them for a decent FS shuv. I fucking always land those like 10 degrees off straight and the rear wheels always land first and they look like ass.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on July 19, 2022, 08:37:21 AM
me and some homies have been trying the straight 8 challenge for shuvs, and I've come to realize that switch bs shuvs are very difficult for me. Give me enough tries and I'll land one, but they're really bad and barely at a snail's pace.

switch FS shuvs are my worst of the bunch, switch BS i actually really enjoy doing. Snapped a kingpin doing a flatground switch FS shuv a couple months back!

Not sure if it helps, but for switch BS, I focus more on a back foot sweep/scoop as I pop rather than just popping straight down like I would for a regular BS shuv.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 19, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
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me and some homies have been trying the straight 8 challenge for shuvs, and I've come to realize that switch bs shuvs are very difficult for me. Give me enough tries and I'll land one, but they're really bad and barely at a snail's pace.
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switch FS shuvs are my worst of the bunch, switch BS i actually really enjoy doing. Snapped a kingpin doing a flatground switch FS shuv a couple months back!

Not sure if it helps, but for switch BS, I focus more on a back foot sweep/scoop as I pop rather than just popping straight down like I would for a regular BS shuv.


I'm pretty good at switch front shuvs. Arguably better than my regular front shuv, haha.


Gonna try taking that advice. The ones that flipped on me were because I was trying to pop them, but I should probably walk before I run with this trick.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on July 19, 2022, 08:58:33 AM
Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days because they work too similar (I also have that to a degree with kickflips and double flips).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 19, 2022, 09:01:03 AM
Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days.

Can you elaborate a bit on that front shuv tip?


Front shuvs are sort of a monkey's paw trick for me where I can do them every try, but I hate how I do them. I do the the kind where you sorta jump backwards and I've tried every foot placement to prevent it. 
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on July 19, 2022, 09:28:29 AM
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Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days.
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Can you elaborate a bit on that front shuv tip?


Front shuvs are sort of a monkey's paw trick for me where I can do them every try, but I hate how I do them. I do the the kind where you sorta jump backwards and I've tried every foot placement to prevent it.

Yeah, basically the logic is similar to what I was describing with the switch pop shove, just reversed, in both cases you want the center of the tail to hit the ground in an explosive manner (doesn't have to be strong pop - although that works too - but has to be sudden and fierce). On all pop shoves, if the board is (barely noticeably) off axis as the tail hits the ground because your foot positioning was applying pressure over incorrect spots, basically that's when the board starts flipping. For optimal technique and good control you want to think 'modified ollie' on those tricks and form them on your way up then catch them which is the only thing the front foot really has to do, which means you can drive pretty much all the force you put into the trick into completely vertical pop just from being set up right. A lot of the scoop is purely stylistic and optional if you want it to be (unless you're doing non-popped shoves), ties back into how I was saying pop shoves can feel like ollies when they don't leave your feet.

I had to dig deep for that one, but I found some I filmed for a shop Instagram back in 2016 with that technique, may be a better visualization:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8tLbWjSGo/

Apparently I also had one for switch front bigs, may be a better reference since I seem to remember you're regular (I had completely forgotten about those clips until now):

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJfA465D7uH/
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 19, 2022, 09:30:32 AM
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Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days.
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Can you elaborate a bit on that front shuv tip?


Front shuvs are sort of a monkey's paw trick for me where I can do them every try, but I hate how I do them. I do the the kind where you sorta jump backwards and I've tried every foot placement to prevent it.
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Yeah, basically the logic is similar to what I was describing with the switch pop shove, just reversed, in both cases you want the center of the tail to hit the ground in an explosive manner (doesn't have to be strong pop - although that works too - but has to be sudden and fierce). On all shoves, if the board is (barely noticeably) off axis as the tail hits the ground because your foot positioning was applying pressure over incorrect spots, basically that's when the board starts flipping. For optimal technique and good control you want to think 'modified ollie' on those tricks and form them on your way up then catch them which is the only thing the front foot really has to do, which means you can drive pretty much all the force you put into the trick into completely vertical pop just from being set up right. A lot of the scoop is purely stylistic and optional if you want it to be (unless you're doing non-popped shoves), ties back into how I was saying pop shoves can feel like ollies when they don't leave your feet.

I had to dig deep for that one, but I found some I filmed for a shop Instagram back in 2016 with that technique, may be a better visualization:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8tLbWjSGo/



Very interesting. I've never heard it explained in those terms but that makes perfect sense. Definitely gonna go experiment with this.



You have quite a way with words when it comes to tricks!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MadeYouLook on July 19, 2022, 11:10:56 AM
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Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days.
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Can you elaborate a bit on that front shuv tip?


Front shuvs are sort of a monkey's paw trick for me where I can do them every try, but I hate how I do them. I do the the kind where you sorta jump backwards and I've tried every foot placement to prevent it.
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Yeah, basically the logic is similar to what I was describing with the switch pop shove, just reversed, in both cases you want the center of the tail to hit the ground in an explosive manner (doesn't have to be strong pop - although that works too - but has to be sudden and fierce). On all shoves, if the board is (barely noticeably) off axis as the tail hits the ground because your foot positioning was applying pressure over incorrect spots, basically that's when the board starts flipping. For optimal technique and good control you want to think 'modified ollie' on those tricks and form them on your way up then catch them which is the only thing the front foot really has to do, which means you can drive pretty much all the force you put into the trick into completely vertical pop just from being set up right. A lot of the scoop is purely stylistic and optional if you want it to be (unless you're doing non-popped shoves), ties back into how I was saying pop shoves can feel like ollies when they don't leave your feet.

I had to dig deep for that one, but I found some I filmed for a shop Instagram back in 2016 with that technique, may be a better visualization:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8tLbWjSGo/
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Very interesting. I've never heard it explained in those terms but that makes perfect sense. Definitely gonna go experiment with this.



You have quite a way with words when it comes to tricks!


To reiterate and add to what Silhouette wrote...

The whole trick is the force you apply with your back foot. Your front foot is simply there to catch it.
As a result it helps me imagine that my back foot is pushing / passing the board to my front foot.

When I do them regular the pop is snappier so the board rotates quicker and goes higher.

When I do them switch the pop is heavier so the board rotates slower and lower... but it looks like a more effortless trick

The thing to note with both ways is the pop and the body is a straight up and down motion like Silhouette said.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 19, 2022, 11:25:24 AM
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Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days.
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Can you elaborate a bit on that front shuv tip?


Front shuvs are sort of a monkey's paw trick for me where I can do them every try, but I hate how I do them. I do the the kind where you sorta jump backwards and I've tried every foot placement to prevent it.
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Yeah, basically the logic is similar to what I was describing with the switch pop shove, just reversed, in both cases you want the center of the tail to hit the ground in an explosive manner (doesn't have to be strong pop - although that works too - but has to be sudden and fierce). On all shoves, if the board is (barely noticeably) off axis as the tail hits the ground because your foot positioning was applying pressure over incorrect spots, basically that's when the board starts flipping. For optimal technique and good control you want to think 'modified ollie' on those tricks and form them on your way up then catch them which is the only thing the front foot really has to do, which means you can drive pretty much all the force you put into the trick into completely vertical pop just from being set up right. A lot of the scoop is purely stylistic and optional if you want it to be (unless you're doing non-popped shoves), ties back into how I was saying pop shoves can feel like ollies when they don't leave your feet.

I had to dig deep for that one, but I found some I filmed for a shop Instagram back in 2016 with that technique, may be a better visualization:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8tLbWjSGo/
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Very interesting. I've never heard it explained in those terms but that makes perfect sense. Definitely gonna go experiment with this.



You have quite a way with words when it comes to tricks!
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To reiterate and add to what Silhouette wrote...

The whole trick is the force you apply with your back foot. Your front foot is simply there to catch it.
As a result it helps me imagine that my back foot is pushing / passing the board to my front foot.

When I do them regular the pop is snappier so the board rotates quicker and goes higher.

When I do them switch the pop is heavier so the board rotates slower and lower... but it looks like a more effortless trick

The thing to note with both ways is the pop and the body is a straight up and down motion like Silhouette said.

I like this analogy. I'm very excited to try this. I always did them with my back foot, but I always scooped real hard not considering his point about the board being off axis.



Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 06, 2022, 07:30:25 AM
Slappy back feebles on a parking block and backside disasters. I dunno what I'm doing wrong with either as they seem simple but it's like I don't even get close. I can slappy front feeble and frontside disaster so it kinda doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on August 06, 2022, 12:08:50 PM
Working my way up to higher back 50/50s. Can do slappy, can pop on very low curbs but then it gets complicated.

I also tried roll on front crooks, looks easy but it's quite gnarly to commit.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on August 07, 2022, 02:06:22 AM
As a result it helps me imagine that my back foot is pushing / passing the board to my front foot.

Yes, great advice, this is big. The technique is especially visible in that switch frontside bigspin video I shamelessly posted above and am shamelessly referencing again, the way I'm doing them is I'm popping to pass the board from the back foot to the front foot and then with the shoulders I keep going after the catch for what really feels like a late 180, but the lower body technique is the same (and keeping going with the shoulders allows for more energy put into the trick as well, meaning that learning frontside bigspins like that might actually really help flesh out the technique since incorporated into such a motion it must be easier).

Wildcard question but @MadeYouLook (... made you look) did you ever get the 'passing from one foot to the next' tip from that one random ass fucking twenty-year-old Kingpin trick tip booklet thing that went around Europe as a bonus in one of the issues, because there was one that described how to do frontside bigspins like that. Actually it always stuck with me and probably is the reason why I learned switch frontside bigspins the way I always did them since and not as a sw front pop with a pivoted landing like I used to as a kid. Would be funny if it were the same advice that had stuck with you too.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lessfillingtastegreat on August 24, 2022, 02:25:31 PM
Fakie flip fakie crook off bump to ledge.  Either feels good / falling into place or not close at all. Sketching accidental bail/ land back on the boards which are frightening. 

Have been on my manual game starting to toy with fakie Impossible switch manny.  Not even close yet.  Have to spend more time breaking it down.  I’m not a manny guy so I have to really session for these types of tricks.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on August 24, 2022, 02:40:55 PM
back smithy, tres, varial heels, FS 50s on tranny, back 50 round rails, FS tails on ledges, decked rock to fakie on jersey barriers.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Steely Daniel on August 24, 2022, 03:25:49 PM
I'm going back to just trying to learn how to be comfortable on my board again. I could try harder tricks and get close or eventually land a poor version but just practicing pushing, ollies, kickflips, pop shoves basically. When I get bored of that I'll practice fs noseslide and half cab noseslides.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on August 24, 2022, 07:37:31 PM
back smithy, tres, varial heels, FS 50s on tranny, back 50 round rails, FS tails on ledges, decked rock to fakie on jersey barriers.

Landed a perfect 360 flip a few weeks ago out of the blue, I usually need 20 tries. I'm going to try a few every session just because.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 25, 2022, 12:07:46 AM
fs wall ride on a barrier with no mud. all my spots have the gap. i love it.  i like to get on back side slide the face with all four wheels an drag the back wheels up kinda slowish do a quick lil pivot and scrape on the way out. its loud af. Feels kinda like a lil slide and roll almost

Down on derby street the barriers are in front of the bars' buttline. i do lines to the bs wall thing. and i usually end with impossible and i stomp everything loud af because its the waterfront. I like loud skating always... anyway

i need a lesson.

How do i get on the barrier fs over that gap and have time to turn back. When i do make it through the curve i almost always land primo. I tried leaning back more and standing more like wider stance but i slip out as i reach the peak and explode on the wall of the barrier. Hopefully land on my feet.
 I know its a form thing because i can get up high on the barrier just not edging quite yet. Id slap some mud on the barrier and try to cop a protection spell or some shit from the shop next door to try anything to make it last but that's a very busy street in the day and evening. Weekends its a zoo.

Would be dope to figure it out before Halloween. Im going to put on the Raiden hat punk props and busk $5 kickflips $10 tre $20 Impossible. Notice that my go to first try trick is the big money. They see some trys on the other two tricks and when they get a stomped imp at the end then they will be like dayem take our money. Have some extra!

im going to act all pissy about fake trys and slash the barrier front side with mad bark to build tension as i come about to stomp one in the face of an Olympics loving tourist kook. Non skaters You just cant be yelling that shit at me all day and expect. You gotta pay so go ahead yell it if you want just put the money in my hand. Phillip The Bucket sailor.

No ones going to be yelling shit after they see me fuck you that barrier FS.  BARK!!! push twice SCRAPE STOMP.

Ill include KISS gets a shuv. Switch if with a tongue ok? Granma cheak peck cab. Gotta Cab for the Grannies ok. I should at least get a kiss for my effort to entertain and my costume maaaan.

fuck its 3am. damn im a lazy sod. I skated a 1/4 mile with 3 loads of laundry in one muffin top basket a mini guitar and a canvas i started today. that was a bitch. Mad embarrassing. Tourist was laughing at me and shit making me break character and giggle. Now they will ask for free kickflips maybe next time they see me at brunch dt.

im not editing this shit post. i gotta find a mate so i slap less and sleep more. No ass will ever lessen my skating tho. Skating is better than developing a serious relationshit. Lone Fucking Wolf in the streets daily daily ok. and i see outher people maaan
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FUBAR on August 29, 2022, 02:50:19 AM
Kickflips…forward and backward. I stopped doing them and BOOM…lost em. In my old age, relearning shit is hard. It’s harder when you only have 2 hours a week to skate. Enjoy every minute!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: El Freegano on August 29, 2022, 07:09:29 AM
I have started trying bs 360s and from time to time i do them but more like 270 and pivot/slide till 360. I think i have to pop and scoop more so the back truck have more air time before landing. Anyways, it feels great :)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on August 30, 2022, 02:33:30 AM
BS heels, i've had a couple sessions on them sofar... deffo a trick I'll get but they're pretty scary to fully commit to, have landed a few with most of the rotation but not really rolled away yet.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Air-Bear on August 31, 2022, 03:33:45 PM
For some reason, I really got stuck on learning switch FS No-Complys.
Got a few on accident, then a few that felt good while actually trying. But the coordination of stepping off with the "wrong" foot, popping switch and doing the full 180 with my body has left me stumbling over and shinning myself more than I'd like to admit...

I also got back to switch Kickflips, after accepting that I will never really have them for the last 2 or 3 years. The eternal battle continues.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: radcunt on August 31, 2022, 04:00:40 PM
How to most effectively strengthen my core of alleviate this debilitating herniated disc pain. Anyone got tips?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on September 02, 2022, 02:10:23 AM
Switch frontside noseslide pretzel 270 out. Ollie in, not slap (thats cheating)

How the fuck are you meant to go about it? I'm trying to imagine sw fs nose bigspin but have my feet and body follow, but either get tangled or the board goes too far away or my front foot comes way off. The ones I do stick or get close to I have no idea what I was doing.

Tips appreciated. Pls
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 02, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
How to most effectively strengthen my core of alleviate this debilitating herniated disc pain. Anyone got tips?

Jefferson curls, squats, Romanian deadlifts, back extensions. Start assisted or at bodyweight with nice, controlled reps pushing a comfortable ROM. Once you can guarantee good ROM slowly move to unassisted, then add weight. This is what any PT program would advise.

You could start with 3x a week doing a few sets of 15-20 reps until you're doing bodyweight, then drop the reps to 8-10, build back up to 15-20, then add weight and work on lower rep sets to build strength in the 5-10 rep range.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 02, 2022, 10:43:04 AM
Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: steezenking on September 02, 2022, 12:28:33 PM
tailslide kickflip out. Shits hard
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 03, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
At the beginning of the year I told myself I was going to learn switch nose manuals.  Now it’s September and I haven’t started yet.  Still have a few more months
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sacking rails on September 03, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
impulse control
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 03, 2022, 10:06:21 PM
Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.

Are you popping too high and slamming your tail down on the ledge? I struggled with them for years as a teenager. Only got them consistent a few years ago. I tell myself that I have to maintain my forward my momentum during the slide, so popping gently and dragging my foot sideways will help me get my tail just on top of the ledge without stomping it down.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 05, 2022, 05:00:38 PM
How to not blame my gear for inability to do certain tricks especially if I had them on lock on an old setup.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 07, 2022, 06:33:08 AM
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Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
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Are you popping too high and slamming your tail down on the ledge? I struggled with them for years as a teenager. Only got them consistent a few years ago. I tell myself that I have to maintain my forward my momentum during the slide, so popping gently and dragging my foot sideways will help me get my tail just on top of the ledge without stomping it down.

Damn, I think that's exactly what I do every time now that you mention. I think it's because I struggle with popping into them so I jump as high as possible. I'll try not slamming down so hard.

Thanks !
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on September 07, 2022, 09:45:09 AM
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Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
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Are you popping too high and slamming your tail down on the ledge? I struggled with them for years as a teenager. Only got them consistent a few years ago. I tell myself that I have to maintain my forward my momentum during the slide, so popping gently and dragging my foot sideways will help me get my tail just on top of the ledge without stomping it down.
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Damn, I think that's exactly what I do every time now that you mention. I think it's because I struggle with popping into them so I jump as high as possible. I'll try not slamming down so hard.

Thanks !

Frontside tailslide I feel like is mostly a lower body trick and is a bit similar to frontside lipslides on ledges in that you don't want to stomp down on them and mostly want to glide along for a (more or less) quick ride then dismount back to riding away. You know how you approach and scoop frontside ollies on transition (or even basic ones on banks), you want that type of semi frontal but also semi sideways approach (pretend the ledge/rail is coping, even rolling up from flat ground), open but not parallel, also your shoulders sort of never really move and keep facing the direction you're going. From that point on what you want to do is (whenever the timing and aiming feels right) pop like you would one of those frontside ollies, but actually make sure to level it out (to ensure the tail does clear the top of the ledge), and then very similarly to a shifty ollie you would hold onto (with the intent of bringing it back around) it's very much a hip thing. Like I was saying your shoulders don't move but your front foot guides the board around, levels it and then the back leg takes over (so not too early or you'll bash into the obstacle), applies your tail onto the ledge where you can stand and then for the dismount you just unwind back (or think full frontside ollie the whole time if trying to go to fakie).

Crazy to me how back tails are easier to you, I think that's my first time hearing about someone like that. Hope you get those frontside ones, it's a great trick too when done right and with speed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: dr.prestige on September 07, 2022, 10:29:43 AM
Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.

Ha, I'm your reverse, I always stick on backside tails. I've slid maybe 10 or 20 in the thousands of times I've tried that trick over the years, and when that happens they usually slide way more than I expect them to and I slip out. The vast majority of times I try that trick I stick and jump off or stick and roll away slowly and disappointed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 09, 2022, 06:06:24 AM
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Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
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Are you popping too high and slamming your tail down on the ledge? I struggled with them for years as a teenager. Only got them consistent a few years ago. I tell myself that I have to maintain my forward my momentum during the slide, so popping gently and dragging my foot sideways will help me get my tail just on top of the ledge without stomping it down.
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Damn, I think that's exactly what I do every time now that you mention. I think it's because I struggle with popping into them so I jump as high as possible. I'll try not slamming down so hard.

Thanks !
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Frontside tailslide I feel like is mostly a lower body trick and is a bit similar to frontside lipslides on ledges in that you don't want to stomp down on them and mostly want to glide along for a (more or less) quick ride then dismount back to riding away. You know how you approach and scoop frontside ollies on transition (or even basic ones on banks), you want that type of semi frontal but also semi sideways approach (pretend the ledge/rail is coping, even rolling up from flat ground), open but not parallel, also your shoulders sort of never really move and keep facing the direction you're going. From that point on what you want to do is (whenever the timing and aiming feels right) pop like you would one of those frontside ollies, but actually make sure to level it out (to ensure the tail does clear the top of the ledge), and then very similarly to a shifty ollie you would hold onto (with the intent of bringing it back around) it's very much a hip thing. Like I was saying your shoulders don't move but your front foot guides the board around, levels it and then the back leg takes over (so not too early or you'll bash into the obstacle), applies your tail onto the ledge where you can stand and then for the dismount you just unwind back (or think full frontside ollie the whole time if trying to go to fakie).

Crazy to me how back tails are easier to you, I think that's my first time hearing about someone like that. Hope you get those frontside ones, it's a great trick too when done right and with speed.

Any chance you have a good clip as an example, or a pro to search up with a solid one? Worked on them the other day with very little success.
(Obviously I can find a front tail from pretty much any pro but I like seeing peoples suggestions)

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Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
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Ha, I'm your reverse, I always stick on backside tails. I've slid maybe 10 or 20 in the thousands of times I've tried that trick over the years, and when that happens they usually slide way more than I expect them to and I slip out. The vast majority of times I try that trick I stick and jump off or stick and roll away slowly and disappointed.

We all have our weaknesses, I have a friend who's basically the same as you just said. We've back doing bsts/fsts in a line to try and get them better.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2022, 07:16:15 PM
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Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
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Are you popping too high and slamming your tail down on the ledge? I struggled with them for years as a teenager. Only got them consistent a few years ago. I tell myself that I have to maintain my forward my momentum during the slide, so popping gently and dragging my foot sideways will help me get my tail just on top of the ledge without stomping it down.
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Damn, I think that's exactly what I do every time now that you mention. I think it's because I struggle with popping into them so I jump as high as possible. I'll try not slamming down so hard.

Thanks !
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Frontside tailslide I feel like is mostly a lower body trick and is a bit similar to frontside lipslides on ledges in that you don't want to stomp down on them and mostly want to glide along for a (more or less) quick ride then dismount back to riding away. You know how you approach and scoop frontside ollies on transition (or even basic ones on banks), you want that type of semi frontal but also semi sideways approach (pretend the ledge/rail is coping, even rolling up from flat ground), open but not parallel, also your shoulders sort of never really move and keep facing the direction you're going. From that point on what you want to do is (whenever the timing and aiming feels right) pop like you would one of those frontside ollies, but actually make sure to level it out (to ensure the tail does clear the top of the ledge), and then very similarly to a shifty ollie you would hold onto (with the intent of bringing it back around) it's very much a hip thing. Like I was saying your shoulders don't move but your front foot guides the board around, levels it and then the back leg takes over (so not too early or you'll bash into the obstacle), applies your tail onto the ledge where you can stand and then for the dismount you just unwind back (or think full frontside ollie the whole time if trying to go to fakie).

Crazy to me how back tails are easier to you, I think that's my first time hearing about someone like that. Hope you get those frontside ones, it's a great trick too when done right and with speed.
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Any chance you have a good clip as an example, or a pro to search up with a solid one? Worked on them the other day with very little success.
(Obviously I can find a front tail from pretty much any pro but I like seeing peoples suggestions)

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Front tails. I always just seem to stick and get locked up. BSTS doesn't give me that issue at all.
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Ha, I'm your reverse, I always stick on backside tails. I've slid maybe 10 or 20 in the thousands of times I've tried that trick over the years, and when that happens they usually slide way more than I expect them to and I slip out. The vast majority of times I try that trick I stick and jump off or stick and roll away slowly and disappointed.
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We all have our weaknesses, I have a friend who's basically the same as you just said. We've back doing bsts/fsts in a line to try and get them better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ozQVAD6K4
Fun clip, not super helpful in term of instructions but you can see in a lot of the tailslides they are popping just high enough to get on to the ledge without stomping it in, at 1:11 you'll see that he's popping up while maintaining the forward momentum, going just high enough to get his back foot and tail on the ledge.

https://youtu.be/lIzdYcMKgYc
1:54 - front foot focuses on dragging up slightly and more side ways to level out the board to give you height and the back foot slots the tail into the ledge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwaWcXek4b8
1:33 - front foot does most of the work to give you height, back foot lifts up slightly to get up and on the ledge, slots the tail in
2:32 - too much pressure on the toes
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Baswell Cerry on September 12, 2022, 06:11:14 AM
How to skate with others  :P
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sacking rails on September 15, 2022, 10:58:15 AM
christ air off the jump ramp
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: chris. on September 15, 2022, 04:49:01 PM
I gotta get back on my frontside tailslides! I was locking in on a little baby ledge like two years ago and and just kinda bailed on them. Thanks for the inspiration. Doing the least amount possible with my front foot always seemed to help. I actually started by just practicing jumping on my left foot (I’m goofy) from ground to ledge and balancing. Helped a ton.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tom on September 15, 2022, 07:56:00 PM
I’m trying to learn backside 360’s. The front foot comes off, gets all the way around, and lands back on my board. My back foot comes off the board sometime after 270 and I think it’s because I stop turning my shoulders at the same time. I have to figure out how to turn them more and hopefully my back foot will stay on
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: JJ_Skates on September 18, 2022, 06:56:26 PM
Hey @Tom, not sure if this will help you massively but this is the best tutorial I've found on BS 360's.
https://youtu.be/D2zq6OacC_U
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sacking rails on September 19, 2022, 05:17:47 AM
nah just pivot them like everyone else
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 19, 2022, 05:41:11 AM
Trying to figure out how to grind feebles longer on transition. Feeble to fakie is one of my favorite lip tricks and I can do a few variations of it, but anytime I try to grind longer than like a foot my body just turns and my board goes to rock.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: SupremePizza on September 19, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
Trying to land more tre flips. My biggest challenge is catching bolts, lot of times I'm finding myself landing to fast forward with one foot on the nose and the back foot in the middle.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Lessfillingtastegreat on October 15, 2022, 06:42:04 PM
Trying to land more tre flips. My biggest challenge is catching bolts, lot of times I'm finding myself landing to fast forward with one foot on the nose and the back foot in the middle.

In my opinion these look best if you can do it consistently.  Slightly forward. Love that. 
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on October 15, 2022, 11:29:44 PM
I can kickflip on flat, banks, over small gaps (manhole), up and down curbs, even down a two stair.

My ultimate life goal (next to a flatground tre and a street rail) is a three stair kickflip. I can ollie a three stair. But I find it almost inconceivable to kickflip one. It‘s like a mental block. I have tried but I will just kick the board away and bail mostly.

I figured out I need to learn faster flips on flat. Also it helps if the run up is ever so slightly downhill so that I can see the steps before popping, because it freaks me out jumping into a „void“ (I know it‘s ridiculous).

Any other tipps for an old man to reach this goal?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 16, 2022, 01:08:44 AM
I can kickflip on flat, banks, over small gaps (manhole), up and down curbs, even down a two stair.

My ultimate life goal (next to a flatground tre and a street rail) is a three stair kickflip. I can ollie a three stair. But I find it almost inconceivable to kickflip one. It‘s like a mental block. I have tried but I will just kick the board away and bail mostly.

I figured out I need to learn faster flips on flat. Also it helps if the run up is ever so slightly downhill so that I can see the steps before popping, because it freaks me out jumping into a „void“ (I know it‘s ridiculous).

Any other tipps for an old man to reach this goal?

had similar issues in the past, for me personally doing tricks down stairs/gaps/etc was never something I did as a kid, all I ever learned was basic flatground/ledge stuff etc so coming back to skating in my adult years was a bit jarring to even think about doing shit down stairs etc. Judging from your post I think the main issue is probably the gap itself especially since you mention the whole void thing etc. What I think would help would be to just find some sort of straight drop/ledge/etc thats on par height wise with whatever 3 set you want to do it down, and then just hammer kickflips down it until you're 100% comfortable with it. Removing the gap element will probably make it a lot easier to commit to, and then you'll notice that whatever kickflips you're doing off the ledge/drop will more than likely go far enough to clear a 3.

I'll also say that whatever handful of tricks i've threw down a set in my time have pretty much always been skating with others when the hype is high and I doubt they'd have happened solo lol




Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on October 16, 2022, 01:13:37 AM
@Easy Slider you're kicking the board away because you're skating up to the stairs with the idea that since you've never done the trick there before, then it must be difficult, except the bigger of deal we make about skating the harder it is. The downhill thing you think helps doesn't sound ridiculous at all (being scared of a void I'd say is natural), just I honestly have no idea how you're making work - stairs with a downhill run-up have always been the most difficult type I've found to skate, specifically because then you can't see the spot. I totally know what you mean because we have one particular, otherwise perfect 6 here no one skates because it's built exactly like that - messes everyone up. Personally I think I'd rather take uphill run-up than downhill, I find it that awkward. I think you should embrace the spot and not deny it, though, that rarely works.

Assuming you have a good flick and catch on your kickflips, you should try and look at the 3 you're trying to skate as no different from your usual 2 at all - just consciously blank out on the difference, or maybe in fact consider it from all possible angles including 'well I've done this before, it's a kickflip going down curbs except instead of two curbs there are three but what difference does that make and who's counting'. Technically, the only difference will be slightly more air time after you've caught the trick, which you should know how to handle if you can ollie the set, and so as long as you form the kickflip right then there's absolutely no stopping you but yourself, mentally.

But then forming the kickflip right shouldn't become an obsession either, otherwise your brain will focus on that as your main goal and then bail, resulting on good catch then kick out (or instant miss on the pop as soon as one run-up feels off). Your 'obsession' if anything should be on your ideal rollaway, what you want is ride away past the stairs by the means of a kickflip (which is a maneuver you know how to do) if that makes any sense. Don't micromanage the kickflip part and how it's supposedly challenging, focus on clearing the stairs with one as part of a bigger picture. You have control over when your concentration should start and stop.

Or if your brain really insists on being wired in a way that messes you up on them then maybe you need to get more consistent and fluid at the trick. I know I don't really try anything down stuff that I can't maneuver and control, say, as easily as up a curb, and as a kid I had to get my kickflips to that stage too before I could do good ones down gaps. When I first learned kickflips (pre-Internet), they were completely chicken-legged and mobbed and doing those down anything was never going to work, and so I essentially had to relearn them entirely with the ollie, then late extra flick technique and now those started to work, because they weren't anything special anymore and felt as comfortable as the logical extension of a normal ollie.

Rambling a bit on a rainy Sunday morning, but I hope this helps!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on October 16, 2022, 03:10:09 AM
Good advice lads, thx.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: m path on October 16, 2022, 05:06:15 AM
  At my park we got a 5 ft bowl and all I use it for is roll in to fly outs (scared of coping tricks).  I want to kf out and I've seen some pros do that.  Penny and Curren Caples I believe.  I've almost got a couple but it's weird.  I want to do slide shuvs out too to but its hard to deal with the coping for that one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 16, 2022, 06:19:54 AM
Me try to spel and post more better English ok
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: E on October 28, 2022, 11:50:43 AM
Half cab flips are driving me insane. So close but can't get my back foot back on.

Is the weight on the "flick foot" supposed to be similar to a fakie flip? I think I need to put more weight on that foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on October 28, 2022, 12:12:47 PM
Half cab flips are driving me insane. So close but can't get my back foot back on.

Is the weight on the "flick foot" supposed to be similar to a fakie flip? I think I need to put more weight on that foot.

Because you turn, you can get away with keeping all the weight on your popping foot a bit more.

But if you want to do a proper, folded one then yes after you pop you have to shift some weight to your flicking foot like with a fakie flip (and have some more weight on that foot when setting up too)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Suangi on October 29, 2022, 04:13:29 AM
Backside 360 no complies. True to the name it does not comply. Almost get too much pop if anything and it is up around my gonads by the time I need to get the front foot back on
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on October 29, 2022, 04:46:27 AM
Backside 360 no complies. True to the name it does not comply. Almost get too much pop if anything and it is up around my gonads by the time I need to get the front foot back on

Back foot toes in the center of the tail is key for those. That's how you get the pop and rebound but also what keeps the board flat and under control as you spin around, if you can do backside 360 slides on flatground the momentum and way of control is really similar, same motion except you pop into it a pretty funny way.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Suangi on November 02, 2022, 12:30:17 PM
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Backside 360 no complies. True to the name it does not comply. Almost get too much pop if anything and it is up around my gonads by the time I need to get the front foot back on
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Back foot toes in the center of the tail is key for those. That's how you get the pop and rebound but also what keeps the board flat and under control as you spin around, if you can do backside 360 slides on flatground the momentum and way of control is really similar, same motion except you pop into it a pretty funny way.

Nice. Thanks for the tip.

When you are getting your foot on at what degree are you and where are you pivoting from? Like 270? Assuming you are not doing a full 360 even though that would be incredible.

Think my main issue is committing to the spin. I can 180 but going that bit further to make it legit is a bit of a headfuck for the commitment
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 02, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
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Backside 360 no complies. True to the name it does not comply. Almost get too much pop if anything and it is up around my gonads by the time I need to get the front foot back on
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Back foot toes in the center of the tail is key for those. That's how you get the pop and rebound but also what keeps the board flat and under control as you spin around, if you can do backside 360 slides on flatground the momentum and way of control is really similar, same motion except you pop into it a pretty funny way.
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Nice. Thanks for the tip.

When you are getting your foot on at what degree are you and where are you pivoting from? Like 270? Assuming you are not doing a full 360 even though that would be incredible.

Think my main issue is committing to the spin. I can 180 but going that bit further to make it legit is a bit of a headfuck for the commitment

The spin is weird at first because it's blind so that's normal, that's why I was saying the 360 flatground slides can help, they get you used to spinning backside 360 in a relatively safe manner so you sort of learn how to carry your body that way, and then it becomes a lot easier to commit as soon as you can form the other similar trick you're trying (also works for backside 360 ollies). You probably don't even need to do a lot of those either; just a few to get the feel for it.

I don't really keep track of the rotation as I'm doing the trick, I mostly set up like I would for a backside heelflip foot placement-wise and then sort of carve and turn into the full 360 as I step off with the front foot and jump in a way that feels ahead of the rotation, then it catches up; it's one of those tricks where sometimes pivoting happens because you catch it around the back truck but you shouldn't exactly count on it, that's mostly a question of timing in the execution when it happens but not a crucial part of the formula, to this day sometimes I'll get the full ones sometimes I'll get more or less pivoted ones, doesn't and shouldn't change much. Ideally your weight should remain centered around your core the whole time and your back toes never cease touching the board or you'll just send it flying (but that's also how some people add flips). That's another thing that's similar to the backside 360 slides, the way it's all back leg and using your hips to spin the whole way around in one fluid motion all the while guiding the board around under you. Maybe try veering frontside a tiny bit before countering that with all the backside action at first, like some people do when learning backside powerslides, that might give you more stability and then it's sort of pop and go.

Upper body needs to be a bit ahead of it all too, as in I'm already looking down on my back truck and diagonally/slightly backwards before I pop, and as soon as I've popped most of my body has already done most of the first 180. That's the trick to 'simplifying' a lot of 360 ollie-based tricks in general - pretend the second half is the only 'real' 180 you need to complete and the first half is essentially a maneuver you do to carve your way into that one. If that even makes sense.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Suangi on November 03, 2022, 01:34:40 AM
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Backside 360 no complies. True to the name it does not comply. Almost get too much pop if anything and it is up around my gonads by the time I need to get the front foot back on
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Back foot toes in the center of the tail is key for those. That's how you get the pop and rebound but also what keeps the board flat and under control as you spin around, if you can do backside 360 slides on flatground the momentum and way of control is really similar, same motion except you pop into it a pretty funny way.
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Nice. Thanks for the tip.

When you are getting your foot on at what degree are you and where are you pivoting from? Like 270? Assuming you are not doing a full 360 even though that would be incredible.

Think my main issue is committing to the spin. I can 180 but going that bit further to make it legit is a bit of a headfuck for the commitment
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The spin is weird at first because it's blind so that's normal, that's why I was saying the 360 flatground slides can help, they get you used to spinning backside 360 in a relatively safe manner so you sort of learn how to carry your body that way, and then it becomes a lot easier to commit as soon as you can form the other similar trick you're trying (also works for backside 360 ollies). You probably don't even need to do a lot of those either; just a few to get the feel for it.

I don't really keep track of the rotation as I'm doing the trick, I mostly set up like I would for a backside heelflip foot placement-wise and then sort of carve and turn into the full 360 as I step off with the front foot and jump in a way that feels ahead of the rotation, then it catches up; it's one of those tricks where sometimes pivoting happens because you catch it around the back truck but you shouldn't exactly count on it, that's mostly a question of timing in the execution when it happens but not a crucial part of the formula, to this day sometimes I'll get the full ones sometimes I'll get more or less pivoted ones, doesn't and shouldn't change much. Ideally your weight should remain centered around your core the whole time and your back toes never cease touching the board or you'll just send it flying (but that's also how some people add flips). That's another thing that's similar to the backside 360 slides, the way it's all back leg and using your hips to spin the whole way around in one fluid motion all the while guiding the board around under you. Maybe try veering frontside a tiny bit before countering that with all the backside action at first, like some people do when learning backside powerslides, that might give you more stability and then it's sort of pop and go.

Upper body needs to be a bit ahead of it all too, as in I'm already looking down on my back truck and diagonally/slightly backwards before I pop, and as soon as I've popped most of my body has already done most of the first 180. That's the trick to 'simplifying' a lot of 360 ollie-based tricks in general - pretend the second half is the only 'real' 180 you need to complete and the first half is essentially a maneuver you do to carve your way into that one. If that even makes sense.

Yeah makes perfect sense. Thanks for that. Feel like I'm now well equipped to put some down this weekend.

I'll be like a prime ray barbee in no time
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Prostate Exam on November 03, 2022, 02:28:58 AM
Alleyoop lipslides like Schroeder did them. Eventually I want to be able to do alleyoop lipslide into smith
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on November 03, 2022, 03:09:18 AM
Half cab flips are driving me insane. So close but can't get my back foot back on.

Is the weight on the "flick foot" supposed to be similar to a fakie flip? I think I need to put more weight on that foot.

I use the same foot placement as for fakie flips, weight distribution about equal between feet and my body pretty central over the board, I tend to have my shoulders pointing back over the tail a little rather than parallel, a bit of prewind. When I was learning them I focused thinking about doing a fakie flip to 90 degrees, then once I could manage that I added more shoulders in for the whole 180 rotation.

Think of it like a fakie flip is my biggest tip, that should keep your back foot catching the deck, then let your shoulders do the work for the 180, aim for 90 at first maybe then build up the catches til you're getting all the way around.

Do a ton of half cab 180s to warm up.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: m path on November 04, 2022, 12:14:57 AM
I guess I try cab flips once in a blue moon and once and a while actually land on it at the 270 mark.  I'd be happy to get one around but that wouldn't really be 'learning' them.   Frontside ns to regs on a bump high ledge at the park.  Actually prolly just do it to fakie and call that a day. Prolly slide half a foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on November 04, 2022, 01:09:54 AM
I don't know if that can help but not so long ago I realized the key to cab flips was to not think of the trick as a caballerial plus kickflip but as a halfcab backside flip if that makes sense (honestly I should have figured that out much earlier too). I'm shit at that trick whenever I seriously try it but occasionally I'll pull a good one out of nowhere and that's always after doing a lot of regular stance backside flips, then going for the exact same motion carving into it from fakie and popping from a halfcab. Whereas most every time I think 'caballerial except try and fling the shit out of your board' I naturally end up successful at doing exactly that but not at a cab flip.

Because of how it flips and spins blind, a lot of that trick comes down to absolute backside flip confidence it seems. Both tricks seem to work hand in hand and that's why so many people with good switch backside flips also do the frontside 360 nollie ones. Cab heel is way less scary to commit to because it all unfolds in front of you.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: juniormint on November 04, 2022, 02:36:42 AM
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Backside 360 no complies. True to the name it does not comply. Almost get too much pop if anything and it is up around my gonads by the time I need to get the front foot back on
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Back foot toes in the center of the tail is key for those. That's how you get the pop and rebound but also what keeps the board flat and under control as you spin around, if you can do backside 360 slides on flatground the momentum and way of control is really similar, same motion except you pop into it a pretty funny way.
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Nice. Thanks for the tip.

When you are getting your foot on at what degree are you and where are you pivoting from? Like 270? Assuming you are not doing a full 360 even though that would be incredible.

Think my main issue is committing to the spin. I can 180 but going that bit further to make it legit is a bit of a headfuck for the commitment
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The spin is weird at first because it's blind so that's normal, that's why I was saying the 360 flatground slides can help, they get you used to spinning backside 360 in a relatively safe manner so you sort of learn how to carry your body that way, and then it becomes a lot easier to commit as soon as you can form the other similar trick you're trying (also works for backside 360 ollies). You probably don't even need to do a lot of those either; just a few to get the feel for it.

I don't really keep track of the rotation as I'm doing the trick, I mostly set up like I would for a backside heelflip foot placement-wise and then sort of carve and turn into the full 360 as I step off with the front foot and jump in a way that feels ahead of the rotation, then it catches up; it's one of those tricks where sometimes pivoting happens because you catch it around the back truck but you shouldn't exactly count on it, that's mostly a question of timing in the execution when it happens but not a crucial part of the formula, to this day sometimes I'll get the full ones sometimes I'll get more or less pivoted ones, doesn't and shouldn't change much. Ideally your weight should remain centered around your core the whole time and your back toes never cease touching the board or you'll just send it flying (but that's also how some people add flips). That's another thing that's similar to the backside 360 slides, the way it's all back leg and using your hips to spin the whole way around in one fluid motion all the while guiding the board around under you. Maybe try veering frontside a tiny bit before countering that with all the backside action at first, like some people do when learning backside powerslides, that might give you more stability and then it's sort of pop and go.

Upper body needs to be a bit ahead of it all too, as in I'm already looking down on my back truck and diagonally/slightly backwards before I pop, and as soon as I've popped most of my body has already done most of the first 180. That's the trick to 'simplifying' a lot of 360 ollie-based tricks in general - pretend the second half is the only 'real' 180 you need to complete and the first half is essentially a maneuver you do to carve your way into that one. If that even makes sense.
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Yeah makes perfect sense. Thanks for that. Feel like I'm now well equipped to put some down this weekend.

I'll be like a prime ray barbee in no time

All great advice from silhouette as usual. I find the trick to these as suggested, is to keep centred around your core, that is be really conscious of it and keeping your body straight vertically, which is true for a lot of tricks anyway.

Another thing that has really helped me with controlling back 360 no complys is the position of my back foot being open, so a diagonal line from the toes on the pocket edge, to the outside of the heel side bolt. If that makes any sense, it helps me load up the pressure rather evenly, and allows a certain amount of nuance to control the pop because you can use the whole foot, and it helps it stick to your foot nicely. 
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: gringo_viejo on November 05, 2022, 08:54:37 AM
Front shoves are such an ongoing battle. I try to pop them straight down and to let them rotate under the front foot...but the board still lands behind me. Heels on at best. When you were learning fs shoves, what made it "click" and be consistent for you?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: SlapMcKracken on November 05, 2022, 09:38:00 AM
Flipping in board and lipslides on rails without killing my deck.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Terminal on December 05, 2022, 12:27:28 AM
Trying to learn bs pivot, feeble and 5050 to fakie at the same time (basically the exit is the same for all three tricks). Fucking nemesis tricks, I should have learned them decades ago but never made time. I'm making a few feebles to fakie per session but the success rate is low. My coping wheel just won't roll back in a lot of the time and I hang up on the wheel, no matter how much toeside pressure to lift it. Do tighter trucks help with this? I run pretty loose trucks and wondering if that might be a problem. Any advice appreciated.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Plan9Customs on December 05, 2022, 07:12:24 PM
Trying to learn bs pivot, feeble and 5050 to fakie at the same time (basically the exit is the same for all three tricks). Fucking nemesis tricks, I should have learned them decades ago but never made time. I'm making a few feebles to fakie per session but the success rate is low. My coping wheel just won't roll back in a lot of the time and I hang up on the wheel, no matter how much toeside pressure to lift it. Do tighter trucks help with this? I run pretty loose trucks and wondering if that might be a problem. Any advice appreciated.
Loose trucks are perfectly fine for feeb fakies. Just make sure you only get your rear heel side wheel just over the coping and point your front toe so your rail hits. It sounds like maybe you’re going to far on top of the coping. 50 fakies just start standing on top of it and lighten up to get it to slide. Try bringing them in regular but slide for a second to get used to the slide. After you get a few just kinda push your rear shoulder out toward the flat(think like your elbowing someone) and you should get them pretty easily.
Hopefully this made sense and helps.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Terminal on December 05, 2022, 10:43:44 PM
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Trying to learn bs pivot, feeble and 5050 to fakie at the same time (basically the exit is the same for all three tricks). Fucking nemesis tricks, I should have learned them decades ago but never made time. I'm making a few feebles to fakie per session but the success rate is low. My coping wheel just won't roll back in a lot of the time and I hang up on the wheel, no matter how much toeside pressure to lift it. Do tighter trucks help with this? I run pretty loose trucks and wondering if that might be a problem. Any advice appreciated.
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Loose trucks are perfectly fine for feeb fakies. Just make sure you only get your rear heel side wheel just over the coping and point your front toe so your rail hits. It sounds like maybe you’re going to far on top of the coping. 50 fakies just start standing on top of it and lighten up to get it to slide. Try bringing them in regular but slide for a second to get used to the slide. After you get a few just kinda push your rear shoulder out toward the flat(think like your elbowing someone) and you should get them pretty easily.
Hopefully this made sense and helps.
Thanks for the advice Plan9, appreciated, and yes makes perfect sense. Didn't want to tighten trucks for a couple of tricks and throw all others out! Yeah I am getting heelside wheel just over the coping (kingpin over the flat as should be) and pinching the edge of the wheel and truck to hang there textbook every time. I'm stalling, rather than grinding at this stage as want the ride-in exit technique rather than slide-in (hope that makes sense). For feeble, does it help to add a tiny bit of alley-oop, to give some fakie momentum on exit?

I think you're right with my blindside shoulder, it is not open enough. Will work on that today. These tricks are pissing me off, should have learned them decades ago but fakie (and switch) frontside is my natural rotation and kind of stayed in my comfort zone there back in the day (mistake). Again, many thanks!!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on December 06, 2022, 04:57:53 AM
BS heels, definately not as straightforward as BS flips.

Have landed a couple to a stop, need to take them more seriously in the new year...the back of my ankles takes a beating.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Terminal on December 06, 2022, 11:07:22 AM
BS heels, definately not as straightforward as BS flips.

Have landed a couple to a stop, need to take them more seriously in the new year...the back of my ankles takes a beating.

Damn fine looking trick though.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on December 12, 2022, 04:43:38 AM
Been landing 360 flip very sketchy but somewhat consistent when lucky. Problem is my balance and shoulder position when landing. Often off balance and put them down but have to hop off to avoid slipping out. Also landing on the nose and breaking boards constantly because of practicing this one trick
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: BurgerCop on December 16, 2022, 08:38:00 AM
Been landing 360 flip very sketchy but somewhat consistent when lucky. Problem is my balance and shoulder position when landing. Often off balance and put them down but have to hop off to avoid slipping out. Also landing on the nose and breaking boards constantly because of practicing this one trick

Yeah, definitely gotta sit in the back seat of 3 flips to keep them in front of you.
And don't hunch over like you're picking something off the ground, squat like you're about to sit in an imaginary chair.
And make sure your scoop isn't completely sideways/horizontal, scoop like your testing the water in a swimming pool...if that makes sense...

Aw fuck, I'm the unsolicited advice guy. My bad.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on December 25, 2022, 01:46:25 PM
Fs tailslides on ledges. I know it's a trick I should be able to do especially since I have no problem sliding them on transition, but for whatever reason it feels like a completely different trick popping it into a ledge.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on December 25, 2022, 01:59:32 PM
Trying to learn bs pivot, feeble and 5050 to fakie at the same time (basically the exit is the same for all three tricks). Fucking nemesis tricks, I should have learned them decades ago but never made time. I'm making a few feebles to fakie per session but the success rate is low. My coping wheel just won't roll back in a lot of the time and I hang up on the wheel, no matter how much toeside pressure to lift it. Do tighter trucks help with this? I run pretty loose trucks and wondering if that might be a problem. Any advice appreciated.

I managed to learn these tricks by bringing them into a rock-to-fakie a few times just to get used to going fakie, it's a good tip for learning blunts/noseblunts too. The main thing is you want most of the truck you are grinding on to be inside the ramp.

Not sure how much of a difference trucks make though, I ride my back one fairly tight, but the coping you are learning on as well as wheel size can make a big difference. I'm pretty confident bringing most tricks back to fakie but not if the coping protudes too much as I tend to hang up a lot more.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on December 27, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Also trying to learn pivot and other tricks to fakie, and I agree that you should have as little truck pinched on the coping as possible to make re-entry easier and less risky. I have a friend who has these tricks mastered and sometimes his heelside wheel is almost balanced on the coping without any truck, or at least that's what it looks like.

I'm really trying to learn fs airs and back disasters with confidence. I can do both tricks, but I don't have the fundamentals dialed and I take some nasty slams trying them. I suck at grabbing my board when doing fs airs so any tips with that would be welcomed.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on December 28, 2022, 01:15:02 AM
Also trying to learn pivot and other tricks to fakie, and I agree that you should have as little truck pinched on the coping as possible to make re-entry easier and less risky. I have a friend who has these tricks mastered and sometimes his heelside wheel is almost balanced on the coping without any truck, or at least that's what it looks like.

I'm really trying to learn fs airs and back disasters with confidence. I can do both tricks, but I don't have the fundamentals dialed and I take some nasty slams trying them. I suck at grabbing my board when doing fs airs so any tips with that would be welcomed.

Not sure how well you can fs air, but grabs are rather difficult if you're not getting enough air time. You ideally want to get your fs airs to the point where it almost feels sketchier not to grab them.
My main tip would be tucking your legs up when you ollie as to better float them and clear the coping when you come back in, plus it's easier to grab the board that way too.
Don't be afraid to try sending a few fs indies too if you're comfortable enough running out of transition, you'll typically get a much cleaner ollie going with some speed than say just trying to clear the coping by a few inches.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: behavioralguide on December 28, 2022, 06:54:46 AM
Everything/anything on ace trucks
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: MorningSesh on December 30, 2022, 04:38:15 AM
Nollie flips, in the awkward stage of learning how to consistently flick with my back foot
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on December 30, 2022, 05:36:48 AM
Nollie flips, in the awkward stage of learning how to consistently flick with my back foot

Same, my nollie is just starting to get better (less rocket) so I'm telling myself to try just 10 committed ones every session.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2022, 10:50:15 PM
I tried all of 2019 and landed one…..it’s like a whole bag of oranges and I got a single drop….maybe a whole orange tree….
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on December 31, 2022, 01:46:14 PM
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Same, my nollie is just starting to get better (less rocket) so I'm telling myself to try just 10 committed ones every session.

The one trick I've always wanted. Spent ages just practicing the motions with flicking them and doing nollies every session, now just like I when I first tried learning kickflips it's jumping over the board I struggle with.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on December 31, 2022, 07:59:25 PM
Nollie flip is one of the most fun tricks in skating but felt unattainable for years until I found out the secret, now they're basically easier than kickflips on flat and feel totally like you can only dream they do before you get them down, so I'd really recommend putting in the effort. The key thing to know is it doesn't matter so much how good your flatground nollies are (of course if you can tweak flatground nollies then nollie flips should come easy), what matters is how good they are up curbs and down stuff or just basically how good you are at nose-based tricks in general including bonking off cracks (actually especially bonking off cracks) and possibly stuff like nosebonks and k bonks. You don't want to nollie and try and throw an awkward kick, what you want control over is that nudging of the nose ahead of you and the corresponding backwards weight transfer. How I set up is big toe on my front foot goes in the center of the nose at an angle and in a position where it feels ready to shoot it ahead on me as I jump towards the tail (keeping shoulders parallel). Back foot actually goes pretty far back (in my case I think literally on the bolts) where you feel like you can comfortably sit over it before you pop and not lose control. It doesn't matter where or at what angle as long as it feels lodged inside the concave and ready to react to the pop. A tip I usually give to people for switch/nollie flips is to pretend they only exist on a 2D axis and can only use a straight line going through the middle of the board from nose to tail to rest their toes on, since that's where the pressure points are and so where you should be putting them anyway. From that position on it's all in the jump. Again it feels kind of like a leaping sidestep in the direction of the tail and you don't kick out, you focus on flicking your ankle at the apex of the nollie which means if anything you extend your leg but never throw it. Hope everyone who still doesn't have them gets those down in 2023.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on December 31, 2022, 10:23:11 PM
Nollie flip is one of the most fun tricks in skating but felt unattainable for years until I found out the secret, now they're basically easier than kickflips on flat and feel totally like you can only dream they do before you get them down, so I'd really recommend putting in the effort.

The key thing to know is it doesn't matter so much how good your flatground nollies are (of course if you can tweak flatground nollies then nollie flips should come easy), what matters is how good they are up curbs and down stuff or just basically how good you are at nose-based tricks in general including bonking off cracks (actually especially bonking off cracks) and possibly stuff like nosebonks and k bonks.

You don't want to nollie and try and throw an awkward kick, what you want control over is that nudging of the nose ahead of you and the corresponding backwards weight transfer. How I set up is big toe on my front foot goes in the center of the nose at an angle and in a position where it feels ready to shoot it ahead on me as I jump towards the tail (keeping shoulders parallel).

Back foot actually goes pretty far back (in my case I think literally on the bolts) where you feel like you can comfortably sit over it before you pop and not lose control. It doesn't matter where or at what angle as long as it feels lodged inside the concave and ready to react to the pop.

A tip I usually give to people for switch/nollie flips is to pretend they only exist on a 2D axis and can only use a straight line going through the middle of the board from nose to tail to rest their toes on, since that's where the pressure points are and so where you should be putting them anyway. From that position on it's all in the jump.

Again it feels kind of like a leaping sidestep in the direction of the tail and you don't kick out, you focus on flicking your ankle at the apex of the nollie which means if anything you extend your leg but never throw it.

Hope everyone who still doesn't have them gets those down in 2023.

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Good insight as always @silhouette, it sounds logical to think of it as a Nollie with a Switch Flip, but your method kind of makes sense.

Like your Nollie is supposed to pop the board out and forward ahead of you with your back foot extending behind you to contact the concave of the tail?

Putting more effort into Nollie tricks this year, aside from Nollie Flip I want to get my 180s as comfortable as Fakie variations and more BS Nollie into tricks (Nollie BS 5-0 / Lipslide). The dream would be Nollie Crooked Grind and Noseslide, it haunts me that I missed out that "beginner trick" years ago.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on December 31, 2022, 10:31:38 PM
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Nollie flip is one of the most fun tricks in skating but felt unattainable for years until I found out the secret, now they're basically easier than kickflips on flat and feel totally like you can only dream they do before you get them down, so I'd really recommend putting in the effort.

The key thing to know is it doesn't matter so much how good your flatground nollies are (of course if you can tweak flatground nollies then nollie flips should come easy), what matters is how good they are up curbs and down stuff or just basically how good you are at nose-based tricks in general including bonking off cracks (actually especially bonking off cracks) and possibly stuff like nosebonks and k bonks.

You don't want to nollie and try and throw an awkward kick, what you want control over is that nudging of the nose ahead of you and the corresponding backwards weight transfer. How I set up is big toe on my front foot goes in the center of the nose at an angle and in a position where it feels ready to shoot it ahead on me as I jump towards the tail (keeping shoulders parallel).

Back foot actually goes pretty far back (in my case I think literally on the bolts) where you feel like you can comfortably sit over it before you pop and not lose control. It doesn't matter where or at what angle as long as it feels lodged inside the concave and ready to react to the pop.

A tip I usually give to people for switch/nollie flips is to pretend they only exist on a 2D axis and can only use a straight line going through the middle of the board from nose to tail to rest their toes on, since that's where the pressure points are and so where you should be putting them anyway. From that position on it's all in the jump.

Again it feels kind of like a leaping sidestep in the direction of the tail and you don't kick out, you focus on flicking your ankle at the apex of the nollie which means if anything you extend your leg but never throw it.

Hope everyone who still doesn't have them gets those down in 2023.
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Added spaces between the texts so I can bookmark this comment and come back to it again.

Good insight as always @silhouette, it sounds logical to think of it as a Nollie with a Switch Flip, but your method kind of makes sense.

Like your Nollie is supposed to pop the board out and forward ahead of you with your back foot extending behind you to contact the concave of the tail?

Putting more effort into Nollie tricks this year, aside from Nollie Flip I want to get my 180s as comfortable as Fakie variations and more BS Nollie into tricks (Nollie BS 5-0 / Lipslide). The dream would be Nollie Crooked Grind and Noseslide, it haunts me that I missed out that "beginner trick" years ago.

With nollie and fakie flips you don't have to flick out as much since you push/pull the nose/tail a bit ahead which brings the corner where you flick closer to your flicking foot. That being said you still have to flick properly but dont have to extend leg out as far
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Heshrat on January 01, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
A straight nollie heelflip, I cant keep it under me. It either wants to nollie varial heel or nollie shuv, annoying.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: FUBAR on January 21, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
Fakie front shuvs. Trying to pop them nicely but man…I can’t see my board so they are mad hard for me.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: goodatmeth on January 21, 2023, 04:56:56 PM
Since crooked grind nollie flips are really hard for me and I just had the revelation that switch (bs) crooks are easy as hell, I need to learn switch crook fakie flips asap
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Made In China on January 22, 2023, 08:43:18 PM
Fs tailslides on ledges. I know it's a trick I should be able to do especially since I have no problem sliding them on transition, but for whatever reason it feels like a completely different trick popping it into a ledge.
I’m trying to learn these too after years of putting it off, but on curbs instead of ledges. And I can’t do them on transition either. My main problem right now is actually locking in and holding one for longer than a split second. I got the motion of popping and turning over the curb I think.

Also trying to learn bs flips. Got a couple landed at a stop and now I really want to roll away from them. I think I’m not turning my shoulders enough and getting a full clean 180.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 22, 2023, 09:42:27 PM
Proper backside disasters, I can “slide” into them but I know it’s not what I’m going for at all
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 23, 2023, 07:02:53 AM
Proper backside disasters, I can “slide” into them but I know it’s not what I’m going for at all


Pop/scoop earlier than you'd think.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: doublesteveburger on January 23, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on January 23, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me

Same here, I never get enough dip on my front truck. I have slightly better success with doing them FS and the difference for me is locking your back truck onto the ledge / rail in the already dipped / Smith position.

I stopped thinking of them as trying to lock a 5-0 (rocketing your ollie) then dipping my front truck down - it always ends up sticking on the Smith of doing it undipped. Thinking of them like a lipslide (your back truck lapping over, front truck dipped slightly) helped, and more speed.

Easier on a taller ledge, too low and you can't get a solid pop and tweak downwards.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on January 23, 2023, 11:58:44 PM
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i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me
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Same here, I never get enough dip on my front truck. I have slightly better success with doing them FS and the difference for me is locking your back truck onto the ledge / rail in the already dipped / Smith position.

I stopped thinking of them as trying to lock a 5-0 (rocketing your ollie) then dipping my front truck down - it always ends up sticking on the Smith of doing it undipped. Thinking of them like a lipslide (your back truck lapping over, front truck dipped slightly) helped, and more speed.

Easier on a taller ledge, too low and you can't get a solid pop and tweak downwards.

Its much more like a 5050 or lipslide kinda thing than a 5-0. 5-0 you rocket the ollie but 5050 and lipslide you try to level it out as soon as possible. Push the board in front of you and try and ollie 'into' the grind, not 'onto' the grind.

For backside ones it helps to almost ollie lower than you would for a 5050 on the same ledge, and try get the back truck on by contorting your body, sucking your back foot up while boning the nose of your board down and pushing the board ahead of you. Helps prevent slamming into it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Steely Daniel on January 25, 2023, 08:07:31 AM
Relearning tailslides and bs 180 nosegrinds. And I will finally learn crooked grinds in 2023!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on January 25, 2023, 01:15:16 PM
Trying to get better fakie kickflips, any tipps?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfakie on January 25, 2023, 07:03:34 PM
bs tail
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: scab on January 26, 2023, 05:35:12 AM
Trying to get better fakie kickflips, any tipps?

Probably depends on what exactly you're trying to imrove upon. The one thing I'm personally thinking of the most is to pop out in front of me and not just straight down to keep the board under my feet.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 26, 2023, 05:59:01 AM
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i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me
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Same here, I never get enough dip on my front truck. I have slightly better success with doing them FS and the difference for me is locking your back truck onto the ledge / rail in the already dipped / Smith position.

I stopped thinking of them as trying to lock a 5-0 (rocketing your ollie) then dipping my front truck down - it always ends up sticking on the Smith of doing it undipped. Thinking of them like a lipslide (your back truck lapping over, front truck dipped slightly) helped, and more speed.

Easier on a taller ledge, too low and you can't get a solid pop and tweak downwards.
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Its much more like a 5050 or lipslide kinda thing than a 5-0. 5-0 you rocket the ollie but 5050 and lipslide you try to level it out as soon as possible. Push the board in front of you and try and ollie 'into' the grind, not 'onto' the grind.

For backside ones it helps to almost ollie lower than you would for a 5050 on the same ledge, and try get the back truck on by contorting your body, sucking your back foot up while boning the nose of your board down and pushing the board ahead of you. Helps prevent slamming into it.



I'm also trying to learn smiths on ledges and this sounds like good advice. I can do them on transition and I can ollie and stall into them on unwaxed ledges, but anytime I try to grind I just completely nose dive the board because I think I'm subconsciously olling "onto" it as you put it.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: doublesteveburger on January 26, 2023, 08:00:49 AM
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i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me
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Same here, I never get enough dip on my front truck. I have slightly better success with doing them FS and the difference for me is locking your back truck onto the ledge / rail in the already dipped / Smith position.

I stopped thinking of them as trying to lock a 5-0 (rocketing your ollie) then dipping my front truck down - it always ends up sticking on the Smith of doing it undipped. Thinking of them like a lipslide (your back truck lapping over, front truck dipped slightly) helped, and more speed.

Easier on a taller ledge, too low and you can't get a solid pop and tweak downwards.
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Its much more like a 5050 or lipslide kinda thing than a 5-0. 5-0 you rocket the ollie but 5050 and lipslide you try to level it out as soon as possible. Push the board in front of you and try and ollie 'into' the grind, not 'onto' the grind.

For backside ones it helps to almost ollie lower than you would for a 5050 on the same ledge, and try get the back truck on by contorting your body, sucking your back foot up while boning the nose of your board down and pushing the board ahead of you. Helps prevent slamming into it.
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I'm also trying to learn smiths on ledges and this sounds like good advice. I can do them on transition and I can ollie and stall into them on unwaxed ledges, but anytime I try to grind I just completely nose dive the board because I think I'm subconsciously olling "onto" it as you put it.

welp, looks like we're gonna have to learn these mf's together dude, expect a text this weekend
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on January 26, 2023, 09:27:12 AM
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i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me
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Same here, I never get enough dip on my front truck. I have slightly better success with doing them FS and the difference for me is locking your back truck onto the ledge / rail in the already dipped / Smith position.

I stopped thinking of them as trying to lock a 5-0 (rocketing your ollie) then dipping my front truck down - it always ends up sticking on the Smith of doing it undipped. Thinking of them like a lipslide (your back truck lapping over, front truck dipped slightly) helped, and more speed.

Easier on a taller ledge, too low and you can't get a solid pop and tweak downwards.
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Its much more like a 5050 or lipslide kinda thing than a 5-0. 5-0 you rocket the ollie but 5050 and lipslide you try to level it out as soon as possible. Push the board in front of you and try and ollie 'into' the grind, not 'onto' the grind.

For backside ones it helps to almost ollie lower than you would for a 5050 on the same ledge, and try get the back truck on by contorting your body, sucking your back foot up while boning the nose of your board down and pushing the board ahead of you. Helps prevent slamming into it.
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I'm also trying to learn smiths on ledges and this sounds like good advice. I can do them on transition and I can ollie and stall into them on unwaxed ledges, but anytime I try to grind I just completely nose dive the board because I think I'm subconsciously olling "onto" it as you put it.

Ledge smith grind is a particularly weird concept, I feel like it takes a lot of trying them wrong until just the basic logic of how the trick works really clicks (almost by accident). Trick only draws comparison to five-o's because of the back truck action but that's really a reach for a common denominator (although it does work for some to start there), what you need to know is mostly how to aim with your back truck (not just land on it) and that's when confidence in lipslides becomes more important. It's key to learn how to use the hips to drive the back truck onto that edge and only then you can comfortably sit on that back leg all the while retaining momentum. Using more of your body to try and achieve the position will only turn you way from the trick, resulting in the nosedive. The shoulders have to remain relatively parallel; trick by design looks off axis but it shouldn't feel off axis.

If you're doing the smith stalls on ledges already I'd say you're almost there, but only if you can comfortably stabilize and 'rock' them, leaning your board against the edge of the ledge so that it's in contact with it and you're not just balancing off the truck (which is tempting logic at first coming from five-o's). That is the controllable posture you want to achieve (otherwise you'll get those 'smith grinds' that look like they slip out of position as soon as locked in), and you do that by just bringing your legs up on your ollie so that you're above the ledge and then prolonging the motion into the pose with your front leg pushing through the trick as you sit back. Emphasis on sitting back as that's really how it feels doing that trick correctly, you want to be standing firm on that back leg with nearly all your weight on top of the back truck, whilst everything past your back bolts only exists for your front foot to guide down (no weight).
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 26, 2023, 10:02:07 AM
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i can't for the stupid ass life of me figure out smith's both front and back on ledges

been skating for 20+ years and it's the only grind i've never been able to make sweet passionate love to

i've heard to treat them like dipped 5-0's but that makes no sense to me
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Same here, I never get enough dip on my front truck. I have slightly better success with doing them FS and the difference for me is locking your back truck onto the ledge / rail in the already dipped / Smith position.

I stopped thinking of them as trying to lock a 5-0 (rocketing your ollie) then dipping my front truck down - it always ends up sticking on the Smith of doing it undipped. Thinking of them like a lipslide (your back truck lapping over, front truck dipped slightly) helped, and more speed.

Easier on a taller ledge, too low and you can't get a solid pop and tweak downwards.
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Its much more like a 5050 or lipslide kinda thing than a 5-0. 5-0 you rocket the ollie but 5050 and lipslide you try to level it out as soon as possible. Push the board in front of you and try and ollie 'into' the grind, not 'onto' the grind.

For backside ones it helps to almost ollie lower than you would for a 5050 on the same ledge, and try get the back truck on by contorting your body, sucking your back foot up while boning the nose of your board down and pushing the board ahead of you. Helps prevent slamming into it.
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I'm also trying to learn smiths on ledges and this sounds like good advice. I can do them on transition and I can ollie and stall into them on unwaxed ledges, but anytime I try to grind I just completely nose dive the board because I think I'm subconsciously olling "onto" it as you put it.
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welp, looks like we're gonna have to learn these mf's together dude, expect a text this weekend



I'm currently buried under a winter wonderland so it might be a minute before I can try utilizing his and @silhouette's advice, but dang it if I'm not gonna try!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: realbasedgod112 on January 26, 2023, 05:37:39 PM
fs tailslides
tre flips
heelflips
nollie flips
fs feebles

fucking pisses me off so bad because i haven't learned anything for so long. i just get mad all the time and i should probably take a break but i don't want to lose the shit i do have. you know??
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 26, 2023, 11:06:34 PM
fs tailslides
tre flips
heelflips
nollie flips
fs feebles

fucking pisses me off so bad because i haven't learned anything for so long. i just get mad all the time and i should probably take a break but i don't want to lose the shit i do have. you know??

It takes a long time sucking at tricks you really want to learn to get somewhat good/consistent at them. I usually have to drive myself crazy for a week or so (consistent skating, could take months if im busy with life) trying to get more comfortable with a trick before I learn it.

Just keep chipping away. If you dont get as far as you want, you'll atleast get somewhere. I remember as a kid I wanted to learn impossibles so bad but the technique escaped me; i would practice them on grass for an hour, do no comply impossibles, just anything possible to learn them. Now theyre my go-to warmup trick but that shit took years, like 5 years to be able to come back to skating after a month and still be able to impossible up a curb first or second try. Rn im trying to get nollie heels and switch heels and other tricks solid but they are so complex and different from regular shit/shit im used to. Im seeing awkward progress but I wish it was as fast as when i was a kid. Learning a trick i really want from start to finish in one summer seems a bit unlikely now.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on January 26, 2023, 11:09:09 PM
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Trying to get better fakie kickflips, any tipps?
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Probably depends on what exactly you're trying to imrove upon. The one thing I'm personally thinking of the most is to pop out in front of me and not just straight down to keep the board under my feet.

Cheers. I am trying to get the tail off the ground/level them out. So far they all rocket.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 26, 2023, 11:09:53 PM
right now im trying to learn nollie inward heels. I can land like 1/10 stationary but rolling forward adds a lot of unwanted complexity. The main problem i get is it never flips completely, always halfway. To mitigate that i try my hardest to kick a nollie heel off the nose hard as fuck but yeah still shitty. doesnt help that my regular nollie heels are low as fuck like 50% of the time so maybe i should just be working on that more first

Still kinda proud of landing some. Never thought id learn these. I find that doing a lot of well-popped nollie shuvs before trying them helps figure out the timing of when to flick best. Unsurpisingly that works a lot for nollie heels too; I always have way better nollie heels if i spend some time practicing high/boned nollies before.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 26, 2023, 11:12:20 PM
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Trying to get better fakie kickflips, any tipps?
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Probably depends on what exactly you're trying to imrove upon. The one thing I'm personally thinking of the most is to pop out in front of me and not just straight down to keep the board under my feet.
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Cheers. I am trying to get the tail off the ground/level them out. So far they all rocket.

Fakie flips for some reason feel way less fragile compared to kickflips. It feels like when im popping fakie i can kick straight off the nose (like an ollie/super boned kickflip) and its way less prone to fucking up. Now I cant fakie flip unless a lot of my foot is on the board and i flick really hard and forward, like a ninja kick, but they always end up really nice-looking and consistent because i feel like the hard kick/flick levels out the aggressive tension-filled fakie pop.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: scab on January 27, 2023, 03:01:23 AM
^Seconding this. In my experience rocketing happens most often when the flick goes off to the side more so than through the nose. I couldn't flick off the nose for a couple of months late last year due to a sprained ankle and all my kickflips came out rocketed. Now that my ankle has healed up and I'm back to flicking through the nose they're leveled out again.

That being said, I'm struggling mightily to use that same approach for switch and nollie flips. Those always dolphin flip for me. I'm guessing it's because I inadvertently kick down on the nose/tail rather than flick through it. That's what I get for neglecting switch for all of my skate life up to this point.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: tzhangdox on January 27, 2023, 03:05:11 AM
right now im trying to learn nollie inward heels. I can land like 1/10 stationary but rolling forward adds a lot of unwanted complexity. The main problem i get is it never flips completely, always halfway. To mitigate that i try my hardest to kick a nollie heel off the nose hard as fuck but yeah still shitty. doesnt help that my regular nollie heels are low as fuck like 50% of the time so maybe i should just be working on that more first

Still kinda proud of landing some. Never thought id learn these. I find that doing a lot of well-popped nollie shuvs before trying them helps figure out the timing of when to flick best. Unsurpisingly that works a lot for nollie heels too; I always have way better nollie heels if i spend some time practicing high/boned nollies before.

I can nollie inward pretty easily but my nollie heel is dog shit. The flick is pretty different. I'm bad at flicking heelflips straight in general but the nollie/switch inward is definitely more of a donkey kick straight forwards rather than a flick off the side. You also may want to flick a second later than you would for a nollie heel, to give the board some time to do turn about 45 degrees first so the straight forward donkey kick kinda still catches the pocket of the board a lil
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Urtripping on January 29, 2023, 11:12:19 AM
Got me my first back tail and fs nose to regular in the last two weeks. Finally learning to keep my shoulders parallel to ledges while sliding backwards.

The back tail was a hail Mary at first but on the nice low indoor skatepark Ledge, I slid it briefly and almost came out regular first try. I had been doing a bunch of back 50s prior to it, and thought about every step of that trick just up until I was in the air over the ledge (per my friend's advice). From there I tweaked everything below the waist backside and kept my shoulders parallel as possible to come off the end going forward. Very good fucking feeling, even if the slide was only as long as a large original Italian sub sandwich from Jersey Mike's served Mike's Way add sweet peppers
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Pbn_jake on January 29, 2023, 01:55:27 PM
Proper backside disasters, I can “slide” into them but I know it’s not what I’m going for at all

What is your footing like?
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Pbn_jake on January 29, 2023, 02:12:23 PM
Switch 360 flips.


The movement is there, I’ll one foot fully rotated/flipped ones and when I commit to putting both feet on it under flips or under rotates. Help.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on January 29, 2023, 07:20:13 PM
Got me my first back tail and fs nose to regular in the last two weeks. Finally learning to keep my shoulders parallel to ledges while sliding backwards.

The back tail was a hail Mary at first but on the nice low indoor skatepark Ledge, I slid it briefly and almost came out regular first try. I had been doing a bunch of back 50s prior to it, and thought about every step of that trick just up until I was in the air over the ledge (per my friend's advice). From there I tweaked everything below the waist backside and kept my shoulders parallel as possible to come off the end going forward. Very good fucking feeling, even if the slide was only as long as a large original Italian sub sandwich from Jersey Mike's served Mike's Way add sweet peppers

Back tail is the best slide trick every, favorite trick I've learned over the past 3 years.

Nollie Heels - just hucking out 10-20 every session, figuring out the weight distribution, getting fewer credit cards
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Pbn_jake on January 29, 2023, 09:56:06 PM
right now im trying to learn nollie inward heels. I can land like 1/10 stationary but rolling forward adds a lot of unwanted complexity. The main problem i get is it never flips completely, always halfway. To mitigate that i try my hardest to kick a nollie heel off the nose hard as fuck but yeah still shitty. doesnt help that my regular nollie heels are low as fuck like 50% of the time so maybe i should just be working on that more first

Still kinda proud of landing some. Never thought id learn these. I find that doing a lot of well-popped nollie shuvs before trying them helps figure out the timing of when to flick best. Unsurpisingly that works a lot for nollie heels too; I always have way better nollie heels if i spend some time practicing high/boned nollies before.

Keep your shoulders in like nollie 180 position, your popping foot in nollie shove and your flicking foot in nollie heel
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Pbn_jake on January 29, 2023, 09:57:36 PM
Also seconding the donkey kick
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on February 28, 2023, 09:35:22 AM
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right now im trying to learn nollie inward heels. I can land like 1/10 stationary but rolling forward adds a lot of unwanted complexity. The main problem i get is it never flips completely, always halfway. To mitigate that i try my hardest to kick a nollie heel off the nose hard as fuck but yeah still shitty. doesnt help that my regular nollie heels are low as fuck like 50% of the time so maybe i should just be working on that more first

Still kinda proud of landing some. Never thought id learn these. I find that doing a lot of well-popped nollie shuvs before trying them helps figure out the timing of when to flick best. Unsurpisingly that works a lot for nollie heels too; I always have way better nollie heels if i spend some time practicing high/boned nollies before.
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Keep your shoulders in like nollie 180 position, your popping foot in nollie shove and your flicking foot in nollie heel

Try them on a bank.  I could always do them occasionally on flat but on banks it just works. 

Trying to improve carving switch with the hope of grinding tall transition switch in the future.  It’s a lazy way to have fun and feel accomplished
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Allez_Jambon on March 02, 2023, 07:52:40 AM
I'm not sure if this has been asked but I'm not sure how to search for the trick either.

Backside 180 Switch Front Crook. I've also seen this called Gallant grind on Instagram.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/68/06/8f/68068fb413d8206789247dbade570fe6--bobby-skateboarding.jpg)

I more associate with this, being one of my favorite photos. I've tried it on a similar ledge (step up and from over the top rather than from the side). The ledge around a ~3.5' foot drop so I'm mostly afraid of putting all of the pressure to try to pinch. The worst I can think of is sticking immediately and falling backwards while moving forward. I think that I need to grind the whole thing (~4') so I think I'd have to go to fakie. I also imagine that I could fake one by pinching one on a dry ledge and falling out back to regular, but not really grinding. The times I've gotten closest, I just shoot it forward and go fakie, but my torso sort of parallel to the ground and the legs and board shoot out forward.

I DM'ed Ryan Gallant but no answer. It looks like got his full foot on the tail. Trucks look looser too. Loose trucks and mids bushings?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPrjJfZBOCL/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/CPrjJfZBOCL/?hl=en)

If anyone has an idea, please @ me or I will probably forget or not see this.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: jaysouthbay on March 04, 2023, 05:14:38 PM
ollie
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Post by: silhouette on March 05, 2023, 04:47:16 AM
Spent some time on frontside bluntslides on (low) curbs yesterday and I feel like I can read them a lot better now (I used to cheat them and kind of booger slide). You really want to approach at an angle (at first) to make sure you lock in with the edge of the obstacle dead set against the truck and wheels, the approach and motion should really feel like you're in a miniramp and getting ready to slap one onto coping and back foot has to be lodged in the right spot for the future dismount already before you even first pop your tail to get into the trick. Once you can consistently safely just lock into the position like that (for now doesn't matter if you can't dismount) then all the rest consists in trusting and committing with mostly your lower body, upper body shouldn't matter if one already is familiar with front board, on the other hand everything is into insisting and pushing down on the lock in. When done right then end of curb/ledge dismount just kind of happens. Back foot placement and especially angling as early as before even popping into the trick seems to secure a lot, once that is worked out the rest is just dumb guts. Going to try mid ledge/curb dismount sometime, or to fakie.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Ayjerry on March 08, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
Just got back into skating a couple months ago at 31 years old. I skated for about 10 years, but hadn’t been on a board since my mid teens. I got back into it fairly quickly. Got my Ollie’s back, fs180, fakie ollie, fakie 180 fs & bs. Fakie shuvs, pop shuvs. All came back to me within the first 5-6 sessions. Fs shove almost back and for some reason bs180 is nowhere close.

Then I got to working on getting my heelflip back. Landed my first one in a game of skate which was so satisfying. I landed a bunch more that session and the following, but still missed countless attempts, maybe landing 1/10 or so. Landed primo a few times and it’s totally messing with my head and I haven’t landed one in 2 or 3 sessions.

I had pop shove it’s on lock. I would practice them but just continuously popping them one after another. Caught one in a weird way and bit ass. Now I am missing them like crazy, and they look super sketch.

And now my fakie Ollie is higher crisper and straighter than my reg Ollie. I spent some time today working on keeping my Ollie straight. If I pop lightly and really focus on keeping my shoulders square I’m fine. But if I’m trying to get some height I always turn fs which sucks cuz I spent a lot of time working thru that when I was younger and first started.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on March 09, 2023, 02:02:15 PM
Sw front shuvs
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfakie on March 11, 2023, 08:18:44 PM
get my disasters properly decked out so i pump when coming out
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: elegant_fox on March 13, 2023, 06:36:42 AM
Frontside airs, I think one of my issues is I've been trying them on mellow 6ft quarters so there's no vert to pop out of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNuzk-c8W-8

This tutorial had some good tips about starting lower and working up to above the coping. I can grab a carve when going frontside, but trying to pull off the wall tosses me off balance. When I've tried bonking the rear wheels off, I tend to not rotate enough come back in and ride away. The next smallest section of the park is 8" with some vert to it, so that might be the section I need to move to.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on March 13, 2023, 07:54:26 AM
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.

Been working on these a bit lately along with fakie FS heels, for whatever reason i struggle with that rotation in fakie when it comes to flips. I find opening my shoulders up very wide and swinging my leading arm back helps a bit, and also making sure my flicking foot is travelling in the direction i want the board to go as well. Almost like dragging/leading it through into the 180. I've been focusing on trying to get 90 degrees rotation and landed, then gradually opening it up to 130ish, then trying for the fully popped 180. non of this landing and pivoting BS lol.

They're a damn sight harder than half cab flips, for me at least.

I had a bit of a play with fakie bigflips on the weekend, learnt them a couple years ago, but only landed one or two then never did them again... had a lot more success this time around, treating it more like an exaggerated half cab flip/fakie varial, than a bigspin with a flip.

Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on March 13, 2023, 08:00:10 AM
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Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
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Been working on these a bit lately along with fakie FS heels, for whatever reason i struggle with that rotation in fakie when it comes to flips. I find opening my shoulders up very wide and swinging my leading arm back helps a bit, and also making sure my flicking foot is travelling in the direction i want the board to go as well. Almost like dragging/leading it through into the 180. I've been focusing on trying to get 90 degrees rotation and landed, then gradually opening it up to 130ish, then trying for the fully popped 180. non of this landing and pivoting BS lol.

They're a damn sight harder than half cab flips, for me at least.

I had a bit of a play with fakie bigflips on the weekend, learnt them a couple years ago, but only landed one or two then never did them again... had a lot more success this time around, treating it more like an exaggerated half cab flip/fakie varial, than a bigspin with a flip.

I had the fakie fs flips back in the day that's why I hope there will be some muscle memory left. I do them through the legs tho, 90s style.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on March 13, 2023, 08:02:07 AM
I feel you, I had fakie FS heels dialled when I was younger, but can't seem to replicate them now. Learned half cab heels instead so tend to do those.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 16, 2023, 06:02:31 AM
Does anyone have tips or pointers on flips out of front tailslides, or atleast that position as I'm trying them out of switch slappy noseslide which I'm far more comfortable with as opposed to tailslides. The issues I run into is either A) I jump too far forward and land on the nose (which I guess means I should jump less) or B) I start to turn when I go for the flip out but my body underrotates compared to the board (probably due to the fact I learned 270 shoves out first so I became used to turning out that way). Some clips below of tryna film one the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0LcTUDxHwk
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on March 16, 2023, 06:57:54 AM
I feel you, I had fakie FS heels dialled when I was younger, but can't seem to replicate them now. Learned half cab heels instead so tend to do those.

Got closer to the fakie fs flip today. It's so close, I can feel it. On the other hand I thought the same for tre flips for over a year yet never got one.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Hubba Bo-Tep on March 16, 2023, 10:32:55 AM
Does anyone have tips or pointers on flips out of front tailslides, or atleast that position as I'm trying them out of switch slappy noseslide which I'm far more comfortable with as opposed to tailslides. The issues I run into is either A) I jump too far forward and land on the nose (which I guess means I should jump less) or B) I start to turn when I go for the flip out but my body underrotates compared to the board (probably due to the fact I learned 270 shoves out first so I became used to turning out that way). Some clips below of tryna film one the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0LcTUDxHwk

I'm not going to even talk about flip outs 'cause I'm no where near them but I have been hammering away at FS tails and the one thing I've noticed with people that have FS/BS tails 100% on lock is that both feet are level and only slide on the curve of the tail and not the flat.  Less resistance and all that, but it also sets them up for the pop out and barely dip before they pop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVkTZ9c8vvo

Good example (SSBS tails but shows what I'm talking about).  See 4:45 for the scrape mark evidence.  Looks like he never slides on the flat of the tail.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 16, 2023, 04:26:17 PM
Does anyone have tips or pointers on flips out of front tailslides, or atleast that position as I'm trying them out of switch slappy noseslide which I'm far more comfortable with as opposed to tailslides. The issues I run into is either A) I jump too far forward and land on the nose (which I guess means I should jump less) or B) I start to turn when I go for the flip out but my body underrotates compared to the board (probably due to the fact I learned 270 shoves out first so I became used to turning out that way). Some clips below of tryna film one the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0LcTUDxHwk

You want to know a funny thing, from my perspective watching those repeated attempts I don't think you're doing anything that would be technically wrong at all. What it does look like you're battling is accepting the idea that you're in fact able, not just of doing the trick, but also of learning how to reproduce it every time. Mostly appears to be a mental thing here on those bails and oftentimes that has to do with one's process of readjusting their focus as they realize their own latent capabilities before they actually get to develop and apply them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on March 22, 2023, 03:07:55 PM
Trying to get half decent inverts. I've got the general movement down, but I always over-rotate into fakie. Which is cool in its own regard, but I can't go back in forward for the life of me. Getting stalled out is another matter, I know a steeper/taller ramp would be beneficial but flipping over that high up gets sketch real quick.

Any one got a tip on getting these better? I had a bit of a lightbulb moment when I caught a bit of air before I planted the hand, but that has been hard to duplicate. I watch trick tips on it every so often but I feel like there's something that I'm not getting
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: turbo 2.0 on March 22, 2023, 08:51:37 PM
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Got an entire list of tricks I’m working on and I’m confident on most of them but trying to learn polejam 50s on these is the one where I’m completely mentally blocked. I’m pretty sure all I need to to do is jam it and hope for the best but I’m terrified for some reason even though I’m pretty sure nothing can go wrong if I fuck it up
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: HyenaChaser on March 26, 2023, 06:41:55 AM
Does anyone have tips or pointers on flips out of front tailslides, or atleast that position as I'm trying them out of switch slappy noseslide which I'm far more comfortable with as opposed to tailslides. The issues I run into is either A) I jump too far forward and land on the nose (which I guess means I should jump less) or B) I start to turn when I go for the flip out but my body underrotates compared to the board (probably due to the fact I learned 270 shoves out first so I became used to turning out that way). Some clips below of tryna film one the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0LcTUDxHwk

My knowledge is coming from tailslide kickflip out to fakie but based on the kid that does noseslide flip out at the park, it looks like the principles are similar. Here's my tips, some may apply more than others.

Ollie into the trick with your feet, particularly your front foot, in the flip position. Adjusting on the ledge leaves a greater chance for fucking up your slide. Unless you're just that graceful maybe. Ollieing with my back foot more on the board means it lands on the ledge, in the slide, with better leverage for the pop out.

Your shoulders dictate the direction. Landing shoulders squared with the tails for the initial slide but pointing your lead shoulder as you get ready to flip out. For flipping out to fakie I start opening up my shoulders on the ledge, as in orient my upper body towards the nose. The opposite is true for landing to regular.

Go for the flip with momentum from the slide, don't wait until you run out of speed at the end. That momentum will carry the board with you as you flip out. The whole thing should be a fluid motion. It looks better and actually makes it easier, even if the timing is harder to grasp at first.

It seems like you have the flick pretty good, but either way, an exaggerated point for flick helped me a lot. Toes towards the nose, closer to the side of the board, further back from the bolts

Also, give it time. Some people maybe got flip outs easy but it took me a year and a half and focused, labored sessions to start really getting them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: vicious cycle on March 26, 2023, 08:50:39 AM
Sw front shuvs
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
I relearned "Fakie FS flips" last year.  A good tip from a friend helped me to keep them under me. He watch me trying them over a small hip. I used to pop them with my back foot from the heel side of the tail. He told me to pop more from the toe side. So back foot more to the toe side of the tail witch makes total sense now thinking about it.. This way they stay more under me. Also, going in a small curve before I pop made the rotation a little bit easier on flat too.

All I do at the moment is Kickflips. They come and go. Pretty frustrating. I mean I had them on lock for almost two years. One day I woke up and they sayed goodbye.
But only on flat it seems. I still can do them on banks. Fakieflips also work. 360Flips work too, it's my most consistent fliptrick. But I miss my good old boy straight kickflip. I'm almost at a point where I think about to let go. It just makes me sad.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on March 26, 2023, 12:27:33 PM
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Sw front shuvs
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
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I relearned "Fakie FS flips" last year.  A good tip from a friend helped me to keep them under me. He watch me trying them over a small hip. I used to pop them with my back foot from the heel side of the tail. He told me to pop more from the toe side. So back foot more to the toe side of the tail witch makes total sense now thinking about it.. This way they stay more under me. Also, going in a small curve before I pop made the rotation a little bit easier on flat too.

All I do at the moment is Kickflips. They come and go. Pretty frustrating. I mean I had them on lock for almost two years. One day I woke up and they sayed goodbye.
But only on flat it seems. I still can do them on banks. Fakieflips also work. 360Flips work too, it's my most consistent fliptrick. But I miss my good old boy straight kickflip. I'm almost at a point where I think about to let go. It just makes me sad.

Cheers bruh, I’ll have to try this.

Kickflips can be frustrating. Mine are ugly and rocketing on flat and I am more comfortable doing them over / down small obstacles like a manhole cover or curb for some reason.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on March 28, 2023, 11:31:03 AM
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Sw front shuvs
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
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I relearned "Fakie FS flips" last year.  A good tip from a friend helped me to keep them under me. He watch me trying them over a small hip. I used to pop them with my back foot from the heel side of the tail. He told me to pop more from the toe side. So back foot more to the toe side of the tail witch makes total sense now thinking about it.. This way they stay more under me. Also, going in a small curve before I pop made the rotation a little bit easier on flat too.

All I do at the moment is Kickflips. They come and go. Pretty frustrating. I mean I had them on lock for almost two years. One day I woke up and they sayed goodbye.
But only on flat it seems. I still can do them on banks. Fakieflips also work. 360Flips work too, it's my most consistent fliptrick. But I miss my good old boy straight kickflip. I'm almost at a point where I think about to let go. It just makes me sad.
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Cheers bruh, I’ll have to try this.

Kickflips can be frustrating. Mine are ugly and rocketing on flat and I am more comfortable doing them over / down small obstacles like a manhole cover or curb for some reason.

My best kickflips are always done up a curb. I think the pressure of making it up the curb lets my body do what's natural to land it. Seems like I focus too much on the small things when I workshop them on flat
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on March 28, 2023, 12:03:59 PM
Tre flips again, after a hiatus from trying them for a good year or so.

Seem to be able to keep the flip underneath me a bit better now, but still need to work up to committing the back foot.

Set myself the goal a while ago of getting them before I turn 40, 2 years left!!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: mfweeno on March 28, 2023, 12:13:24 PM
One trick that I had semi-consistently a few years back but lost along the way are nosegrind 180 out, both directions.

I can balance both front and back nosegrinds pretty well, but when my shoulders wind up/"unsquare" from the board to anticipate the 180 out, I just lose it.

Any good tips for turning out of a nosegrind? I am trying to sit the grind on the ledge versus bonking it - in my experience, the "bonk" version allows you to begin turning your body as you're aiming your board onto the ledge which is a different technique.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on March 28, 2023, 12:40:30 PM
One trick that I had semi-consistently a few years back but lost along the way are nosegrind 180 out, both directions.

I can balance both front and back nosegrinds pretty well, but when my shoulders wind up/"unsquare" from the board to anticipate the 180 out, I just lose it.

Any good tips for turning out of a nosegrind? I am trying to sit the grind on the ledge versus bonking it - in my experience, the "bonk" version allows you to begin turning your body as you're aiming your board onto the ledge which is a different technique.

I'm awful at nosegrinds (longest was like 5inches) but instead of anticipating the turn, can you just whip it all at once? Keep the shoulders square thru the grind and twist hips and torso at the same moment? Idk what the hell just my first thought
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on March 28, 2023, 01:11:54 PM
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Sw front shuvs
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
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I relearned "Fakie FS flips" last year.  A good tip from a friend helped me to keep them under me. He watch me trying them over a small hip. I used to pop them with my back foot from the heel side of the tail. He told me to pop more from the toe side. So back foot more to the toe side of the tail witch makes total sense now thinking about it.. This way they stay more under me. Also, going in a small curve before I pop made the rotation a little bit easier on flat too.

All I do at the moment is Kickflips. They come and go. Pretty frustrating. I mean I had them on lock for almost two years. One day I woke up and they sayed goodbye.
But only on flat it seems. I still can do them on banks. Fakieflips also work. 360Flips work too, it's my most consistent fliptrick. But I miss my good old boy straight kickflip. I'm almost at a point where I think about to let go. It just makes me sad.
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Cheers bruh, I’ll have to try this.

Kickflips can be frustrating. Mine are ugly and rocketing on flat and I am more comfortable doing them over / down small obstacles like a manhole cover or curb for some reason.
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My best kickflips are always done up a curb. I think the pressure of making it up the curb lets my body do what's natural to land it. Seems like I focus too much on the small things when I workshop them on flat

I used to be the same for years but now I understand it, going up a curb or a two-stair will force you to fully commit to going through enough of the ollie motion to level the board out and catch it, since that's then your primary goal, making it up the thing and bringing the board up with you making the flip more of an afterthought (but whenever it does happen and you do roll away then it's by de facto 'good'). Rocket kickflips typically miss exactly that, later flick and more complete, thorough ollie motion where your front foot actually slides across all of the griptape and then through the nose, so on flat at first it's tempting to just pop and try and flick off the side because you're focused on just getting the flip going. But as soon as you can consistently do that then up something will help you refine the optimal motion and timing, and eventually you'll naturally be doing just as good ones on flat.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: sle_epy on March 28, 2023, 01:21:46 PM
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Sw front shuvs
Fakie fs flips. I know it‘s not called like that but anyway I got quite close today.
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I relearned "Fakie FS flips" last year.  A good tip from a friend helped me to keep them under me. He watch me trying them over a small hip. I used to pop them with my back foot from the heel side of the tail. He told me to pop more from the toe side. So back foot more to the toe side of the tail witch makes total sense now thinking about it.. This way they stay more under me. Also, going in a small curve before I pop made the rotation a little bit easier on flat too.

All I do at the moment is Kickflips. They come and go. Pretty frustrating. I mean I had them on lock for almost two years. One day I woke up and they sayed goodbye.
But only on flat it seems. I still can do them on banks. Fakieflips also work. 360Flips work too, it's my most consistent fliptrick. But I miss my good old boy straight kickflip. I'm almost at a point where I think about to let go. It just makes me sad.
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Cheers bruh, I’ll have to try this.

Kickflips can be frustrating. Mine are ugly and rocketing on flat and I am more comfortable doing them over / down small obstacles like a manhole cover or curb for some reason.
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My best kickflips are always done up a curb. I think the pressure of making it up the curb lets my body do what's natural to land it. Seems like I focus too much on the small things when I workshop them on flat

Keep going, it's worth the frustration because eventually you'll figure out the pressure points and on flat they'll feel like a cheat code trick. The funny thing is my kickflip on flat isn't the exact same footing for everything else except into manual (back foot is the same anyway) I beat myself up for like 2 plus years once I decided to clean them up, but finally figured it out like a month ago. It's prob the 4th type of kickflip on flat I've had. I hope there are no more versions on flat that I have to go through
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ClaySoggyfries on March 28, 2023, 02:38:00 PM
I've been struggling to learn kickflips for years and years. I have the chickenfoot curse and I have not been able to fix it. Its been like 10 years. And yes, I have branched out and have been learning other tricks since, but it's annoying not being able to land a simple kickflip after years of skating.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on April 19, 2023, 02:42:24 PM
BS heelflips..  got agonisingly close today, caught a few and stepped off, then finally landed one but pivoted back the other way after catching it (shoulders, tut tut)... so not officially there but hopefully get them soon.

Sore lower back now!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: wilog on April 19, 2023, 06:56:12 PM
I really want to get switch crooks one of my favourite tricks (guy, ave, fred gall etc) and I can usually get in and grind a decent length but i just cant get out and anytime ive rolled away i put both hands down
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on April 23, 2023, 03:13:38 PM
Trying to relearn inward heels and 360 flips.
Inwards I'm getting pretty close to, I think of the trick like a  bs heel but don't turn with it.
360 flips on the other hand I used to be able to just flip with my back foot, now I can't seem to find that sweet spot anymore and just get 360 shoves, guessing I'll need to learn to guide it with my front foot.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: adam22savage on April 23, 2023, 03:32:40 PM
Does anyone have tips or pointers on flips out of front tailslides, or atleast that position as I'm trying them out of switch slappy noseslide which I'm far more comfortable with as opposed to tailslides. The issues I run into is either A) I jump too far forward and land on the nose (which I guess means I should jump less) or B) I start to turn when I go for the flip out but my body underrotates compared to the board (probably due to the fact I learned 270 shoves out first so I became used to turning out that way). Some clips below of tryna film one the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0LcTUDxHwk
i think if you pop a little sooner you'll land a little more where you want to. when i learned 360 flips going slow i'd land nose-worthy a lot. like your body is still fwd motion from the slide but the board lost it during the flip. if you pop a second before you lost speed i think you'd be playing!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 23, 2023, 11:14:54 PM
Impossibles and bs flips
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on April 24, 2023, 11:02:30 AM
i want to do a fs smith grind fs shuv out. I can do fs 5-0 shuv out pretty easily, this feels like it should be the same but im too heavy on the board and i dont give it enough space to shuv.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 24, 2023, 02:30:38 PM
Impossibles and bs flips

IDK if this clip helps at all but I do know that Rad Rat has the best trick tip video on them. I've been doing them since 91. I've never heard anyone better at describing the trick in my life. He definitely has a great understanding of the motions involved.

I just had them someone showed me and my friend Mike the trick. We learned the carving into them with the foot more on the nose and got it then we spent the next day or so getting them not like this. this is with a wider stance because it helps with balance

I do know the looser your trucks the easier they get. Anyway here is a slow motion one from last October with a massive tick tac

https://youtu.be/eiQRC7qr-2I

https://youtu.be/0CoirHgXRz4

the rad rat tip is dead on.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: montanaco on April 24, 2023, 09:50:28 PM
Back 50s. Truly cursed trick. I’ve landed one on a SUPER low ledge but 99% of the time my back foot muscle memory refuses to stay on the board. I can’t figure out how to get my body to just commit and stay on.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: silhouette on April 26, 2023, 01:21:19 AM
Learned how to take pivot shove to fakie to proper transition last night after a while of only ever occasionally doing them on banks, super fun trick, for some reason to me less scary than the normal pivot to fakie. When done right it barely feels like you even did a trick at all which is a bit absurd and ridiculous.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Candied cigarettes on April 26, 2023, 08:46:17 AM
Anyone got tips for slappy fs tail slides? It’s one of those tricks that seems easy but i consistently slip out and never get fully on top
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 26, 2023, 10:13:19 AM
BS Nosegrind BS 180 out

I'm getting more comfortable twisting out the end but can't get the timing or rotation. Seems as much I can do nose manual BS180 out, I know it will definitely help but I get so caught up in the session go dedicate time to manuals.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Candied cigarettes on April 26, 2023, 09:03:36 PM
Started trying this one tonight. Grinding it out is tough but I think i can figure out next time
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-27-2023/EIIn2d.gif) (https://www.slapmagazine.com/gif/fsbs-EIIn2d)
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Logic on April 27, 2023, 06:40:27 PM
Back 50s. Truly cursed trick. I’ve landed one on a SUPER low ledge but 99% of the time my back foot muscle memory refuses to stay on the board. I can’t figure out how to get my body to just commit and stay on.

Can't think of anything super specific to back 50s, but I've used this method to learn a few tricks now. Providing you have a ledge you can ollie straight onto and not have to approach it from an angle to hit it, just start with doing the 50s dead on and gradually start trying it from an angle.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Perforated Opinions on April 28, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
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Back 50s. Truly cursed trick. I’ve landed one on a SUPER low ledge but 99% of the time my back foot muscle memory refuses to stay on the board. I can’t figure out how to get my body to just commit and stay on.
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Can't think of anything super specific to back 50s, but I've used this method to learn a few tricks now. Providing you have a ledge you can ollie straight onto and not have to approach it from an angle to hit it, just start with doing the 50s dead on and gradually start trying it from an angle.


forget that cross lock Bull shit. you gotta get way on top of the ledge at least 85% of both hangars on the top of the ledge so you dont lean off to the landing and step off. the defintion of sitting on top of it. and lean steadily forward but don't stick and fly forward.


im trying to learn bs bigspin disasters on diffrent QPs. i figured out how to bs bigspin badly by putting my feet closer together front foot way lower then  top bolts.

I also wanna get hardflips high as fuck on the hip on lock. maybe if i jump a little forward and to the backside it would be more consistent? i can catch it alot but its always at the heels and not at the balls of my feet.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Perforated Opinions on April 28, 2023, 12:01:36 PM
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IDK if this clip helps at all but I do know that Rad Rat has the best trick tip video on them. I've been doing them since 91. I've never heard anyone better at describing the trick in my life. He definitely has a great understanding of the motions involved.

I just had them someone showed me and my friend Mike the trick. We learned the carving into them with the foot more on the nose and got it then we spent the next day or so getting them not like this. this is with a wider stance because it helps with balance

I do know the looser your trucks the easier they get. Anyway here is a slow motion one from last October with a massive tick tac

https://youtu.be/eiQRC7qr-2I

https://youtu.be/0CoirHgXRz4

the rad rat tip is dead on.

dope man i never figured these out. PROPs for the tip.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on April 29, 2023, 01:22:22 PM
Never tried 360 flips intol a few wks back. Wanna learn by my 38th bday in june. Getting very close. Some primo, some caught w front foot. Many caught with back foot.

Can’t figure out how to keep from turning my shoulders FS so that i can stay over the board
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: switchfakie on April 29, 2023, 09:04:20 PM
front tails on transition & back smiths
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Plan9Customs on April 30, 2023, 06:52:43 PM
Blunts on sidewalks. Thanks to a tip from @Gab it’s looking like I should get them next session or 2.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: rocklobster on April 30, 2023, 10:03:22 PM
Got into a few FS Crooked grinds today towards the end of the session but no roll aways. Haven't done a properly tweaked out one in years, got to get that back on the menu.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Skatebeard on May 01, 2023, 01:44:53 PM
Had a little go at fakie FS 5050s on a low ledge today, actually not as scary as I thought they would be. Managed to roll away from a few of them... Will deffo keep working on them.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gary Bucket on May 01, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
Never tried 360 flips intol a few wks back. Wanna learn by my 38th bday in june. Getting very close. Some primo, some caught w front foot. Many caught with back foot.

Can’t figure out how to keep from turning my shoulders FS so that i can stay over the board

I also flirted with them recently! Had been 10 years since my last one. I was struggling to keep the shoulder closed also and thought how golfers like hold their pose after the swing there had to be a skate equivalent.

So id focus on that back foot scoop everyone talks about then try to pose the Kalis silhouette where his front foot and front arm is out in front and back foot is tucked up. Ill rest easy all my days on the feeling of the best one i got. Got a few off a kicker and a few on flat. Slidey ground helped the flatground ones for sure.

Best of luck!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: modern life is war on May 01, 2023, 09:15:14 PM
Frontside hurricane in transition. Landed a few on some small stuff, trick seems to be just leaning away from where your board is

Also trying to get proper frontside slappies where i stand up on it instead of just bashing and slashing
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Heshrat on May 03, 2023, 07:46:11 PM
Frontside rock and rolls have always been mad scary to me for some reason
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Gnarcade on May 04, 2023, 06:39:17 AM
Frontside rock and rolls have always been mad scary to me for some reason

Totally feel you on this! Its a trick I had wanted to learn for years, and I only started really pulling them off a few months ago: I started trying them on a small quarter, and random guy on the session gave me one tip that really helped. I am going to try and translate his advice into text, and I am hoping it makes sense - Treat your back leg like a squat by bending it up into you while the front leg goes out straight. That way your weight stays back in the ramp and your front leg is what holds it over the coping. That makes it way easier to feel stable when rotating your shoulders and head back for the rotation.

For me its also a trick where progressively bigger obstacles were key. I started super small on like an 18 inch quarter just to get the movement down, and slowly stepped it up. Just now starting to get comfortable with them on 3ft of transition. It's wild cause every time you up the size of the transition it brings that discomfort and unease right back until you pull it off.

God DAMN do they feel good though when you pull a nice one. Good luck!!!
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Post by: modern life is war on May 04, 2023, 08:03:54 AM
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Frontside rock and rolls have always been mad scary to me for some reason
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Totally feel you on this! Its a trick I had wanted to learn for years, and I only started really pulling them off a few months ago: I started trying them on a small quarter, and random guy on the session gave me one tip that really helped. I am going to try and translate his advice into text, and I am hoping it makes sense - Treat your back leg like a squat by bending it up into you while the front leg goes out straight. That way your weight stays back in the ramp and your front leg is what holds it over the coping. That makes it way easier to feel stable when rotating your shoulders and head back for the rotation.

For me its also a trick where progressively bigger obstacles were key. I started super small on like an 18 inch quarter just to get the movement down, and slowly stepped it up. Just now starting to get comfortable with them on 3ft of transition. It's wild cause every time you up the size of the transition it brings that discomfort and unease right back until you pull it off.

God DAMN do they feel good though when you pull a nice one. Good luck!!!

Best tip I have for them is to come at it a little bit sideways and then push your back foot away from you to slide the back trucks into the rock n roll position. Doing this makes you have the right shoulder/hip position so you're not turning your head around 180 degrees trying to look back down the ramp. I think it's also probably similar to what @Gnarcade said about keeping your body in the ramp instead of being on top.

Also, agreed about progressively bigger obstacles. I can pull them off every time on transition up to 5ft but whenever i go bigger than that my mind just won't let me... best obstacle to try them on is a quarterpipe that runs down a gentle slope so it slowly gets bigger, and you just work your way down the line building the confidence.

It's also a lot easier to do them on something that you can actually 'rock' on, once you get over the fear hump of doing your first ones on something really small.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 04, 2023, 08:30:11 AM
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Frontside rock and rolls have always been mad scary to me for some reason
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Totally feel you on this! Its a trick I had wanted to learn for years, and I only started really pulling them off a few months ago: I started trying them on a small quarter, and random guy on the session gave me one tip that really helped. I am going to try and translate his advice into text, and I am hoping it makes sense - Treat your back leg like a squat by bending it up into you while the front leg goes out straight. That way your weight stays back in the ramp and your front leg is what holds it over the coping. That makes it way easier to feel stable when rotating your shoulders and head back for the rotation.

For me its also a trick where progressively bigger obstacles were key. I started super small on like an 18 inch quarter just to get the movement down, and slowly stepped it up. Just now starting to get comfortable with them on 3ft of transition. It's wild cause every time you up the size of the transition it brings that discomfort and unease right back until you pull it off.

God DAMN do they feel good though when you pull a nice one. Good luck!!!
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Best tip I have for them is to come at it a little bit sideways and then push your back foot away from you to slide the back trucks into the rock n roll position. Doing this makes you have the right shoulder/hip position so you're not turning your head around 180 degrees trying to look back down the ramp. I think it's also probably similar to what @Gnarcade said about keeping your body in the ramp instead of being on top.

Also, agreed about progressively bigger obstacles. I can pull them off every time on transition up to 5ft but whenever i go bigger than that my mind just won't let me... best obstacle to try them on is a quarterpipe that runs down a gentle slope so it slowly gets bigger, and you just work your way down the line building the confidence.

Small steep tranny is the key to learn these and absolutely deck check them properly. Its easier to do them proper.

Here's a weird tip that helped me learn them , pose them on ledges or little walls first. Ollie straight up into the front rock position and then turn out. It really gives you a feel for 75% of the trick. Focus your pivot on the back toe. Then when you take them to transition remember you will likely be leaning too far back so be prepared to shift your weight over the front foot when you come back in.

I like doing them on hips,

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Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: modern life is war on May 04, 2023, 08:46:41 AM
Nice one @Frank and Fred, best thing about front rocks is when done properly like that they always look sick! One of the most stylish transition tricks ever.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on May 04, 2023, 09:54:23 AM
I'm half decent at FS rocks, I got em pretty consistent, but hesitant to put em on any ramp bigger than 6-7'.

Once you get the hang of forming the trick and rolling away, I find I can curb the fear factor by making em quick. Stalling out is where I get sketched.

Keep the back leg cocked as you hit the lip, rock over keeping pressure on the coping with the back truck, smack the deck fast and loose,  whip the hips around using the leverage of the coping and your back wheels, dive in
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: goodatmeth on May 15, 2023, 01:26:08 PM
Just learned fs 180 to nosegrinds today and got a few really nice crooked ones exiting back to regular.

Now I really want to learn the backside version but can't get into it for the life of me. I can bs 180 to 5050 and fs noseslide, but can't even do/commit to the not so nice looking fully on top 180 to switch 5-0. Any tips?

I have to learn it on a pretty high ledge because there is nothing else. Super scary for me
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Easy Slider on May 15, 2023, 02:10:58 PM
Flat: Getting fakie fs flips dialed (I land one each sesh but need to get really consistent on those, also try and get the full 180 degrees); and always 360 flips

Ledge: fs 5-0s, often get one or two but far from consistent, really frustrating

Curb: fs crooks to reg, same as above

Flat bar: Nice bs lipslides, I have let to land a really satisfying one

Stairs: Kickflip three stair. Not even close but a man can dream.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: Switch360flip on January 05, 2024, 10:08:57 AM
Nollie fs flip. Always been the hardest 180 flip trick by far in my opinion until I recently figured out the hack of sitting slightly heel side and not turning the shoulders too quickly. Its still a work in process but they’ve come along way. My inspiration is Dylan’s second to last trick in mindfield down that big set. One of my favorite clips ever.

Also hoping this is the year I finally get bs 360s down. Such a beautiful trick and I get so envious when I see others do them that it makes me feel bad about my own skill. Especially when people do them all effortlessly. Stupid I know but I’ve wanted that trick and been close for a decade now and only managed a few despite practicing it nearly every session for 20 minutes. Seems like all the people I’ve ever disliked at the skatepark have them down too. Comparison really is the thief of joy.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on January 05, 2024, 10:43:31 AM
everyone's favorite, the 360 flip.

never had these, never thought i would, but i recently have been finding the scoop everyone talks about. Been getting semi-close on an 8.5w, 14.25wb - generally a bit bigger for learning the trick, but I'm getting the idea

i bought my son one of those micro Sk8Mafia completes and have been trying to throw 360s flips on it. It's easy to fling and since its so tiny, I'm just trying to workshop the scoop and figure out how what my front foot does and find the catch, even if landing is questionable on the 6 incher lol
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: bob george on January 05, 2024, 02:14:32 PM
Nollie fs flip. Always been the hardest 180 flip trick by far in my opinion until I recently figured out the hack of sitting slightly heel side and not turning the shoulders too quickly. Its still a work in process but they’ve come along way. My inspiration is Dylan’s second to last trick in mindfield down that big set. One of my favorite clips ever.

Also hoping this is the year I finally get bs 360s down. Such a beautiful trick and I get so envious when I see others do them that it makes me feel bad about my own skill. Especially when people do them all effortlessly. Stupid I know but I’ve wanted that trick and been close for a decade now and only managed a few despite practicing it nearly every session for 20 minutes. Seems like all the people I’ve ever disliked at the skatepark have them down too. Comparison really is the thief of joy.

one thing that i had to change about my approach to nollie fs flip was that i used to try to start the turn and flick at or maybe just before 90 degrees. i find it easier to kick back basically the same timing and direction as a solid nollie flip but it's like in the moment i give it some shoulders/hips and they fold around quite nicely. sorry, i know that wasn't a great description - i'm not quite @silhouette  in terms of describing how to do tricks.

i posted this in the "new year, new tricks" thread - i wanted to finally get better at "switch nose manuals" (really feels a lot more like a switch ollie to fakie manual - but that's breaking some rules) so that i could do fakie flips/half cab flips out. cyrus at the courthouse got me hyped! but yeah, i've already done the fakie flip out a few times since new years day - i wouldn't say i HAVE them, but i can do them now. i feel like they will get pretty consistent though with maintained practice. realising now too that fakie fs flip will be quite doable too!
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: newguy on March 03, 2024, 01:25:23 PM
Havent skated in basically almost a year and furiously got back into it a day ago, I’m genuinely surprised to find my pop is still there, but its gonna take a few weeks to get back to where i was when i stopped, and being able to ollie over fat trashcans again. So im just clawing back my popped fs and reg pop shoves and 180s and one im done kickflip baby. Wanna get my first before i turn 23 and will never ever stop skating again. Genuinely one of the worst decision ive made, drugs partying and girls will never give me the satisfaction and fullness of skating.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: gringo_viejo on March 03, 2024, 02:46:32 PM
Been trying bs crooks on a parking block lately and got a couple ugly ones. Homies say that you kind of rock your front foot toeside and then heel side to get in? But that seems like a lot to think about when I'm bashing into a crusty parking block.

Also really want that floaty little bs air over the pool hip. Right now I don't think my rear wheels are even getting off the ground... it's just a Lightfoot kickturn.

Also how do you turn off autocorrect on this thing???
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on March 03, 2024, 08:11:09 PM
Been working on blunts recently. Working up the courage to try blunt to fakie, so I've been throwing out a ton of FS pivot fakies.

I found a funny little dogshit trick while I've been dicking around with these - blunt to FS pivot to fakie. BTF with extra steps and 100% less swag.
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: I-am-12 on March 04, 2024, 03:52:00 PM
FS 5050s.....I've been skating for years, can 5050 low curbs and pads on lock, have clean HIGH kickflips, can ollie onto all skatepark boxes and high points, can do long boardslides on pretty much anything, etc etc......

Still choke the second I come at the box at an angle. It's just so awkward for some reason. It's REALLY embarrassing.

I will not be taking advice as I've heard it all. I've been trying to brute force this for 1+ year. The curb I can do them on is like 5 inches tall, and then next biggest box at the park is like knee high. That may be the problem, 0 to 100%
Title: Re: What are you trying to learn right now?
Post by: LeDave on March 04, 2024, 06:51:39 PM
Ollie is the trick i am trying to get down.