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Any of y'all enjoy shooting? I know it's been a wild time with high prices and lack of range space during this COVID period, but is anyone getting out there? there's some BLM (Bureau of Land Management) land nearby that's approved for target shooting and it's been fun driving out to fire off rounds in the morning before it gets too hot.
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BLM land is (almost) always a go & i
there’s usually some nearby, regardless of where you live.
Pop, pop, pop!
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Very happy the standard capacity mag ban in CA got knocked down today.
Honestly considering getting an AK because my AR is so expensive to shoot right now
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Right about now I’m extra happy to be able to feed both the Marlin 1894 CST & the Ruger SP101 the same munition(s). The .38 Specials are still pretty cheap & the .357 Mags aren’t to spendy either.
The Marlin’s action could use a little refining on a pro gunsmith’s bench, but it is a pure delight to shoot.
Of all of the ones in the safe, the New England break-open .17 HMR single shot is still the most fun to spend time with, though.
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I’ve only shot my CZ SP01 and P01 twice since 9mm jumped from 15 cpr to 40-50.
Prices aren’t going to get any better either with the supply chain disruption/mass buying. Federal had a 1 billion round back stock that got chomped in the first month of the pandemic.
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I've been hoping someone would post a thread like this. I figured I'd get a lot of flak for starting one so I refrained.
I've got a full size ak, a 9mm ak pistol, and an ar from Palmetto State Armory, a Benelli 12 gauge, S&W and Beretta 9mms, JTS 12 gauge AK, and Ruger LCR revolver, and a Stribog.
I've got about 1000 rounds each of 9mm, 556, 7.62, & 12 gauge stockpiled in case of emergency. I kinda panic bought a lot when quarantine started, but it all is getting hard to find and super expensive so I havent been shooting for fun. I've been super bored lately so I've been buying and installing accessories on a bunch of them.
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the first gun i shot was a 12 gauge shotgun about 5 years ago. it was cool to repeatedly say "get off my property," before pulling the trigger. the kickback was not as gnar as i anticipated but going in, i expected to be knocked off my feet. i am all for the second amendment but i am someone who should never own a gun.
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I abhor gun violence however having two older brothers who do got my back I've been given a few rifle's by them.
Here's a brief summary of why I enjoy hunting rifles more then pistols, suicide use to be something I thought about when I was going through HS.
I could've been those kids from Columbine I was that miserable, and I had access to just as many weapon's.
Instead I got out a pump action shotgun loaded it up and put that cold steel in my mouth and pulled the trigger nothing happened and I know it's loaded as soon as I moved it away from my face it went off BLAM!!!!
Blew a hole in the ceiling, I am glad it didn't work. Got my ass beat for putting a hole in the roof of sewing room, it was better than explaining the suicide/school shooter thoughts.
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I've been hoping someone would post a thread like this. I figured I'd get a lot of flak for starting one so I refrained.
i get this, but don't really care more...i've been consistently posting gun-related posts the whole time i've been commenting here--i didn't start a thread, because i sincerely thought i was pretty alone in this regard here. i appreciate this thread nonetheless
i posted mostly in "The Last Thing You Bought" thread (a PSA AKV in 9mm that i purchased a while back) and just a day or so ago in the "questions for Americans" thread, about the Aimpoint Micro T-2 red dot sight I'm saving up for, to replace the cheaper Bushnell TRS25 that i currently have on my Arsenal SAM 7 SF. i changed the gas tube on my Arsenal to a Ultimak M1-B Optics Mount, and that fucker heats up, and those Aimpoints are indestructible
definitely happy for y'all out in California--i've seen Judge Benitez called the "Patron Saint of Gun Rights." i'm quite good on ammo and mags--i am indeed a tech geek when it comes to ordnance and nerding out is getting me through lock down, so the current stock on ammo is:
-260 rounds: 12 gauge 00 (military grade Winchester)
-2370 rounds: 7.62 x 39 (PPU and PMC)
-1744 rounds: 9mm FMJ (115 grain)
-738 rounds: 9mm FMJ (124 grain NATO)
-373 rounds: 9mm JHP
-450 rounds: .40 FMJ
-196 round: .40 JHP
i'm a bit orthodox about the AK platform--there's a few in my gun safe...i've never even shot anything in .223 or 5.56 actually, although i would like to eventually.
looking forward to the ongoing conversation...
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I like it too. It's just a bit lower on the list of hobbies. I'm casual about it I suppose. I had a bunch at one point but, oh god I have to clean them again. I'll just sell them all. Get another when the craving comes back. I'm kind of light so shooting a .338 wasn't as much fun as I imagined. It's ok I'll sell that one too. I have a buddy that's big into the NBRSA stuff. I could see myself getting into those long range competitions later on in life. I think it's neat.
Right now I have a Palmetto AR and my trusty old .22 Ruger. And I'll reluctantly confess the Ruger tank is empty and I only have a whole 50 rounds of 5.56. Whoops. After this mess clears up I'll get more stuff.
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.17 HMR single shot is still the most fun to spend time with, though.
This
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I abhor gun violence however having two older brothers who do got my back I've been given a few rifle's by them.
Here's a brief summary of why I enjoy hunting rifles more then pistols, suicide use to be something I thought about when I was going through HS.
I could've been those kids from Columbine I was that miserable, and I had access to just as many weapon's.
Instead I got out a pump action shotgun loaded it up and put that cold steel in my mouth and pulled the trigger nothing happened and I know it's loaded as soon as I moved it away from my face it went off BLAM!!!!
Blew a hole in the ceiling, I am glad it didn't work. Got my ass beat for putting a hole in the roof of sewing room, it was better than explaining the suicide/school shooter thoughts.
I was having a pretty chill day until I read this.
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Very happy the standard capacity mag ban in CA got knocked down today.
Honestly considering getting an AK because my AR is so expensive to shoot right now
I'm super stoked as well! Does the federal ruling also apply to assault weapons or just the clips? In CA I think the closest we can get to an ar is a mini 14.
If anyone has recommendations I'm all ears.
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I've been hoping someone would post a thread like this. I figured I'd get a lot of flak for starting one so I refrained.
I've got a full size ak, a 9mm ak pistol, and an ar from Palmetto State Armory, a Benelli 12 gauge, S&W and Beretta 9mms, JTS 12 gauge AK, and Ruger LCR revolver, and a Stribog.
I've got about 1000 rounds each of 9mm, 556, 7.62, & 12 gauge stockpiled in case of emergency. I kinda panic bought a lot when quarantine started, but it all is getting hard to find and super expensive so I havent been shooting for fun. I've been super bored lately so I've been buying and installing accessories on a bunch of them.
How do you like the Stribog? Is it the new A3?
I’m jealous of you non Cali residents, I want so many things that this state banned for no damn reason.
It’s funny because I’m sure to non gun people 1000 rounds sounds like a lot but that’s usually a week of range time
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Very happy the standard capacity mag ban in CA got knocked down today.
Honestly considering getting an AK because my AR is so expensive to shoot right now
I'm super stoked as well! Does the federal ruling also apply to assault weapons or just the clips? In CA I think the closest we can get to an ar is a mini 14.
If anyone has recommendations I'm all ears.
The ruling hasn’t really changed anything yet since Benitez still has his original stay in place and Becerra has until January 7 to appeal.
Mini 14s are great but you can absolutely have ARs in California they just have to be featureless(pinned stock, no pistol grips back or forward, etc) or mag locked. I have 2 featureless ARs since you can use standard cap mags(acquired freedom week or before) in them but not in maglocked.
If you’re considering getting a rifle in today’s times you’re better off hunting down a WASR since 223/556 Ammo is like 50-60 cpr.
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I always stay strapped.
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Very happy the standard capacity mag ban in CA got knocked down today.
Honestly considering getting an AK because my AR is so expensive to shoot right now
I'm super stoked as well! Does the federal ruling also apply to assault weapons or just the clips? In CA I think the closest we can get to an ar is a mini 14.
If anyone has recommendations I'm all ears.
even if the law was passed, it still would not have stopped people from getting that shit. from an engineering student perspective, i can imagine it would be relatively doable to modify magazines/make new ones yourself. if anything, the law would just be a minor roadblock for gun enthusiasts. a while back i saw some dude 3d printing gun parts out of high density abs plastic, not something thats very durable but the seeds were certainly planted.
is it relatively easy to acquire an ak? that always seemed like something thats difficult to obtain, much like cuban cigars. and what about ammo? can aks fire a wide range of ammo or are they specific to one type? is there a firearm out there that would be the ultimate for you to own? your dream gun, that is. something unobtainable? it would be pretty cool to own a heavy gustaf, i wonder how much it would cost?
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I’m pretty stoked on my small collection, at present; I shoot purely for enjoyment. Still, can’t help but wasn’t to add a Springfield M1A Scout Squad rifle to the mix.
I dug the “Flat Earth” composite stock they were offering a couple years back, but I may have missed that boat.
Black is good. I like black.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series-rifles/m1a-scout-squad-rifles/m1a-scout-squad-308-rifle-black/
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Very happy the standard capacity mag ban in CA got knocked down today.
Honestly considering getting an AK because my AR is so expensive to shoot right now
I'm super stoked as well! Does the federal ruling also apply to assault weapons or just the clips? In CA I think the closest we can get to an ar is a mini 14.
If anyone has recommendations I'm all ears.
even if the law was passed, it still would not have stopped people from getting that shit. from an engineering student perspective, i can imagine it would be relatively doable to modify magazines/make new ones yourself. if anything, the law would just be a minor roadblock for gun enthusiasts. a while back i saw some dude 3d printing gun parts out of high density abs plastic, not something thats very durable but the seeds were certainly planted.
is it relatively easy to acquire an ak? that always seemed like something thats difficult to obtain, much like cuban cigars. and what about ammo? can aks fire a wide range of ammo or are they specific to one type? is there a firearm out there that would be the ultimate for you to own? your dream gun, that is. something unobtainable? it would be pretty cool to own a heavy gustaf, i wonder how much it would cost?
No gun is easy to get right now but there are plenty of companies that make AKs most are chambered in 7.62 but there are other variants. My dream gun right now is a Galil Ace
I’m pretty stoked on my small collection, at present; I shoot purely for enjoyment. Still, can’t help but wasn’t to add a Springfield M1A Scout Squad rifle to the mix.
I dug the “Flat Earth” composite stock they were offering a couple years back, but I may have missed that boat.
Black is good. I like black.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series-rifles/m1a-scout-squad-rifles/m1a-scout-squad-308-rifle-black/
I had an m1a for a minute, great rifle but heavy as fuck. If I could’ve upgraded the stock and added a pistol grip I might have kept it but alas, CA. Plus at the time .308 was expensive as fuck. Now I’m just waiting on a Galil Ace to come in to handle my .308 needs
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damn, i didnt know that israel was known as a good quality gun maker. i also didnt know that the ak is still being made. i suppose all bets are off the table when talking about country's military capabilities. what is the likelihood that you will be able to get a galil ace? given the prickly tensions amongst all the countries, i could imagine it to be very difficult to get? do you know how much it would cost?
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damn, i didnt know that israel was known as a good quality gun maker.
Oh HELL yeah! You remember the uzi?
My holy grail pop gun is Israeli: the IMI (Israeli Military Industries) Timber Wolf. It’s a pump action rifle chambered for .357 Mag & briefly imported to the US by Action Arms.
Hard(er) to come by & spendy (for a pop gun) when they can be found, but I want that fun. Baaad.
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damn, i didnt know that israel was known as a good quality gun maker.
My holy grail pop gun is Israeli: the IMI (Israeli Military Industries) Timber Wolf. It’s a pump action rifle chambered for .357 Mag & briefly imported to the US by Action Arms.
Hard(er) to come by & spendy (for a pop gun) when they can be found, but I want that fun. Baaad.
uzis were israeli made? sorry im a total newb when it comes to guns. like i said before, i am 100% for supporting the 2nd amendment but i am someone who should NEVER own a gun. i do find guns to be very fascinating. how do israeli guns compare with usa made guns? are they comparable or completely different leagues? how much would that timber wolf set you back? i do know the term pump-action and that sounds super fun.
i feel like this thread has fewer snowflakes posting, i like that. im fucking tired of getting flagged left and right because some pussy got their feelings hurt when they read my post. i thought skaters were tougher than that. i guess the new generation is here.
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damn, i didnt know that israel was known as a good quality gun maker. i also didnt know that the ak is still being made. i suppose all bets are off the table when talking about country's military capabilities. what is the likelihood that you will be able to get a galil ace? given the prickly tensions amongst all the countries, i could imagine it to be very difficult to get? do you know how much it would cost?
Nah there are plenty stateside. They cost about 2k but I have to ship it to AZ for a guy there to convert it to California Legal which means pinning the folding stock and swapping out the pistol grip
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Does anybody have a sig sauer pistol?
Looking to add to my armory and I only have an old .38 revolver for the handheld cannons.
I like what I’ve read about them and navigating gun forums be like a gunsmith who is considering trying skateboarding just diving into the gear threads. Anyway. Likes? Dislikes?
Thinking full size, p226 maybe. Probably a 9mm, though I would try a compact model as well if I ever want to carry
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Does anybody have a sig sauer pistol?
Looking to add to my armory and I only have an old .38 revolver for the handheld cannons.
I like what I’ve read about them and navigating gun forums be like a gunsmith who is considering trying skateboarding just diving into the gear threads. Anyway. Likes? Dislikes?
Thinking full size, p226 maybe. Probably a 9mm, though I would try a compact model as well if I ever want to carry
I wanted a SIG way back when I got my first pistol but ended up picking up a CZ 75 SP01. Honestly the most ergonomic full size combat pistol and I’ve had 0 problems with over 10k rounds through it.
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I abhor gun violence however having two older brothers who do got my back I've been given a few rifle's by them.
Here's a brief summary of why I enjoy hunting rifles more then pistols, suicide use to be something I thought about when I was going through HS.
I could've been those kids from Columbine I was that miserable, and I had access to just as many weapon's.
Instead I got out a pump action shotgun loaded it up and put that cold steel in my mouth and pulled the trigger nothing happened and I know it's loaded as soon as I moved it away from my face it went off BLAM!!!!
Blew a hole in the ceiling, I am glad it didn't work. Got my ass beat for putting a hole in the roof of sewing room, it was better than explaining the suicide/school shooter thoughts.
I was having a pretty chill day until I read this.
I'm sorry my experiences with weapons bummed you out.
I probably should not have firearms but I am glad to have some training, despite my rambling beforehand.
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I've been hoping someone would post a thread like this. I figured I'd get a lot of flak for starting one so I refrained.
i get this, but don't really care more...i've been consistently posting gun-related posts the whole time i've been commenting here--i didn't start a thread, because i sincerely thought i was pretty alone in this regard here. i appreciate this thread nonetheless
i posted mostly in "The Last Thing You Bought" thread (a PSA AKV in 9mm that i purchased a while back) and just a day or so ago in the "questions for Americans" thread, about the Aimpoint Micro T-2 red dot sight I'm saving up for, to replace the cheaper Bushnell TRS25 that i currently have on my Arsenal SAM 7 SF. i changed the gas tube on my Arsenal to a Ultimak M1-B Optics Mount, and that fucker heats up, and those Aimpoints are indestructible
definitely happy for y'all out in California--i've seen Judge Benitez called the "Patron Saint of Gun Rights." i'm quite good on ammo and mags--i am indeed a tech geek when it comes to ordnance and nerding out is getting me through lock down, so the current stock on ammo is:
-260 rounds: 12 gauge 00 (military grade Winchester)
-2370 rounds: 7.62 x 39 (PPU and PMC)
-1744 rounds: 9mm FMJ (115 grain)
-738 rounds: 9mm FMJ (124 grain NATO)
-373 rounds: 9mm JHP
-450 rounds: .40 FMJ
-196 round: .40 JHP
i'm a bit orthodox about the AK platform--there's a few in my gun safe...i've never even shot anything in .223 or 5.56 actually, although i would like to eventually.
looking forward to the ongoing conversation...
rad. i just got an AKV, but havent gotten to shoot it yet.
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damn, i didnt know that israel was known as a good quality gun maker.
My holy grail pop gun is Israeli: the IMI (Israeli Military Industries) Timber Wolf. It’s a pump action rifle chambered for .357 Mag & briefly imported to the US by Action Arms.
Hard(er) to come by & spendy (for a pop gun) when they can be found, but I want that fun. Baaad.
i feel like this thread has fewer snowflakes posting, i like that. im fucking tired of getting flagged left and right because some pussy got their feelings hurt when they read my post. i thought skaters were tougher than that. i guess the new generation is here.
Oh, we’re HERE too. I’m a big radical lefty socialist, and I generally dislike gun “culture,” but I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
I detest the NRA, support reasonable bans on certain weapons & don’t care for hunting. Buuut... I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
For me, it’s kinda like using my mind to affect an object hundreds of yards away, by utilizing a special “intermediary/interpreter” device that goes bang. It’s as close to being telekinetic as I can get.
Anyway, we can agree shooting shit is pretty cool, even if we don’t see eye to eye on other shit.
Hey... we both like skating too! We’re well on our way to understanding one another & becoming friends.
Or not.
Shalom!
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Oh, we’re HERE too. I’m a big radical lefty socialist, and I generally dislike gun “culture,” but I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
I detest the NRA, support reasonable bans on certain weapons & don’t care for hunting. Buuut... I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
same. i was thinking about joining the Socialist Rifle Association, but i'm a little sketched on having my name on a list.
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So much of gun culture is fucking disgusting. Whether it’s the overt racism or bullshit like Black Rifle Coffee, it just sucks so bad. I will say I’ve noticed a change in the last 5 or so years. Lots more diversity at the ranges which is awesome, more non white non republicans getting into the mix is def a good thing.
Fuck the NRA
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damn, i didnt know that israel was known as a good quality gun maker.
My holy grail pop gun is Israeli: the IMI (Israeli Military Industries) Timber Wolf. It’s a pump action rifle chambered for .357 Mag & briefly imported to the US by Action Arms.
Hard(er) to come by & spendy (for a pop gun) when they can be found, but I want that fun. Baaad.
i feel like this thread has fewer snowflakes posting, i like that. im fucking tired of getting flagged left and right because some pussy got their feelings hurt when they read my post. i thought skaters were tougher than that. i guess the new generation is here.
I detest the NRA, support reasonable bans on certain weapons & don’t care for hunting. Buuut... I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
For me, it’s kinda like using my mind to affect an object hundreds of yards away, by utilizing a special “intermediary/interpreter” device that goes bang. It’s as close to being telekinetic as I can get.
Anyway, we can agree shooting shit is pretty cool, even if we don’t see eye to eye on other shit.
Hey... we both like skating too! We’re well on our way to understanding one another & becoming friends.
Or not.
Shalom!
i stand corrected, either way y'all seem to not get as offended as most others when the "wrong" thing gets said, shalom, indeed. although i dont remember butting heads with you? and @augustmoon that thing is fucking wicked looking! but setting it up, loading it up, snapping a pic, and then not firing it? kinda blue ballsing yourself, arent you?
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I’m on a few gun forums and some of them are so fucking racist I’m pretty sure I’ve ended up on some kind of watchlist by association despite being a flaming liberal.
I don’t have the money to blow on that shit anymore and nothing interesting has happened product or technology wise in ten years so I only check in periodically to watch the train wreck.
I was thinking about shooting more but then prices got stupid again so I spent $60 on more arrows instead. Should last me a few years.
If I’m going to shoot it’s just going to be .22. Get yourself something the shoots like a laser and then you can practice and know when it’s your fault.
Wendell, I don’t get the AK thing. I mean, I get that they are bombproof but when they were stupid cheap that made more sense. Now you can get decent AR uppers for $300 and a lower for ~$100. They are just nicer to shoot. I used to be more hyped on AKs but now unless you’re giving me a Valmet or a REAL Galil, I’ll probably take the AR.
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I’m assuming you were responding to me Willie, don’t get me wrong I love my ARs, they’re the LEGO sets of rifles, and incredibly fun to shoot and I’m planning on building out an AR-10 even though it’s 5 less ARs powerful but you just have to admire the AK. It’s on a fucking flag haha gotta respect that.
Obligatory AK copypasta
WHY YOU WANT COSMETICS FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!
OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?
RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HOMO AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON RIFLE.
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I've had my firearm safety certificate for a while now but don't actually own any guns. Love going to the range and shooting them though. I could just never afford them with the other hobbies I have. But I plan on buying my first before November for obvious reasons.
I also love all the dirty lefty snowflakes like me in this thread who support gun rights and I'm glad the SRA got brought up. I've considered joining my local Pink Pistol group many times.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a first buy? I have to be California compliant if that helps. I was thinking of getting an Anderson AM15 AR-15, a 9mm Springfield XD-S pistol, or a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 Sport to just dink stuff with 22. Not very happy with the surge pricing on ammo but it is what it is.
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A few of my mates are pretty heavy into roo and pig shooting. I go along sometimes.
Real hard to get semis in Australia but if you have land and a dpi licence it’s chill. When I was a kid everyone’s dad had a sks but most of em got pulped in 96.
Those military style scopes are legal here but most guys don’t use that stuff. I no longer own any firearms but I like Tikka.
T3 was a fine rifle. I would get another or maybe t3x if I were to get another rifle
I really enjoy shooting but honestly I prefer bottles to creatures
My mates got a cheap copy of 1887. Looks sick but jesus it’s rough to shoot.
Quirky law but we can’t have pump actions yet lever action is fine
I gotta be honest and maybe I’m just jealous. But no way do you lot need ar style weapons and banana clips for hunting or home defence
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A few of my mates are pretty heavy into roo and pig shooting. I go along sometimes.
Real hard to get semis in Australia but if you have land and a dpi licence it’s chill. When I was a kid everyone’s dad had a sks but most of em got pulped in 96.
Those military style scopes are legal here but most guys don’t use that stuff. I no longer own any firearms but I like Tikka.
T3 was a fine rifle. I would get another or maybe t3x if I were to get another rifle
I really enjoy shooting but honestly I prefer bottles to creatures
My mates got a cheap copy of 1887. Looks sick but jesus it’s rough to shoot.
Quirky law but we can’t have pump actions yet lever action is fine
I gotta be honest and maybe I’m just jealous. But no way do you lot need ar style weapons and banana clips for hunting or home defence
very true, but the i believe the argument is, "fuck off, i like guns."
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I’ll pay that
I have shot autos on holidays and in the middle of nowhere in Northern Territory
I shot a rpg in Cambodia too but not at a cow
I would be lying through my teeth if I said I didn’t love that shit
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its also the same with people having 6.0liter engines in their sunbeam tigers to drive downtown to get icecream on sundays. im sure theres even more ridiculous cars out in australia, racing/car/bike culture out there is one of the best.
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But no way do you lot need ar style weapons and banana clips for hunting or home defence
Please don’t bring that shit in here, I’m so tired of people making this fucking argument. Statistics show that the majority of break ins/home invasions involve 2+ people so Ill keep my tools filled up. Do you fill your car up with half a tank of gas? Do you inflate your life jacket halfway before getting on that boat? People think it’s like John Wick out here, just spin your pistol and get 10 headshots. Nah, being able to two hand your rifle, especially under pressure, helps a lot and I for one don’t particularly want to find myself needing to reload at a crucial time. Also, rounds could be defective or magazines, so having extra is always a plus.
Also I bet you think AR means assault rifle. It does not. Semi auto =/= assault rifle.
https://www.tactical-life.com/news/leo-145-rounds-9mm-ammo/
Read this and tell me I only need 10 rounds.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a first buy? I have to be California compliant if that helps. I was thinking of getting an Anderson AM15 AR-15, a 9mm Springfield XD-S pistol, or a Smith & Wesson I M&P 15-22 Sport to just dink stuff with 22. Not very happy with the surge pricing on ammo but it is what it is.
Anderson is fucking trash. If you’re going to try and get a budget AR you’re better off building off an Aero M4E1 lower kit (just google they’re all over) and find a nice upper. If you want an already built rifle look for either the M&P 15 (not the .22 but you can get a conversion kit if you really want) or a Ruger556.
Same thing with the Springfield, I wasn’t a fan, it’s too too heavy and the slide would catch my finger. If you’re set on striker fired over hammer just get a Glock 19 or 17
The best time to buy a gun was yesterday. If you’re in the LA area PM me and I’ll help you out or we can link and go shoot some shit our at Hodge Rd
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Does anyone have any recommendations for a first buy? I have to be California compliant if that helps. I was thinking of getting an Anderson AM15 AR-15, a 9mm Springfield XD-S pistol, or a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 Sport to just dink stuff with 22. Not very happy with the surge pricing on ammo but it is what it is.
For a handgun just get something that YOU like shooting. Go to a range and rent stuff. That’s how I figured out really quickly that despite looking great on John McClain I hated shooting a Beretta 92.
At the very least try handling a few at a store/gun show.
I don’t know anything about Anderson. If I was buying a budget AR I’d get a PSA or Del-Ton or something. I prefer Mid Length to Carbine but full length is great if you’re shooting with iron sights. On that note, the last AR I bought I opted for a fixed carry handle so I’d be less tempted to buy additional junk. Now I wish I had the option of adding a red dot, just so I had something that worked in the dark.
For a .22 I’d recommend a bolt action that shoots better than you can (CZ, Savage, etc.). I’ve had a 10/22 and fooled around with a .22 AR and they are a fun way to burn ammo but I eventually decided it was more fun having something that was mechanically able to hit a dime at 50 yards every time even when I couldn’t. When you can’t blame the gun you don’t want for something better all the time.
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Does anyone have any recommendations for a first buy? I have to be California compliant if that helps. I was thinking of getting an Anderson AM15 AR-15, a 9mm Springfield XD-S pistol, or a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 Sport to just dink stuff with 22. Not very happy with the surge pricing on ammo but it is what it is.
For a handgun just get something that YOU like shooting. Go to a range and rent stuff.
At the very least try handling a few at a store/gun show.
If I was buying a budget AR I’d get a PSA or Del-Ton or something. I prefer Mid Length to Carbine but full length is great if you’re shooting with iron sights. On that note, the last AR I bought I opted for a fixed carry handle so I’d be less tempted to buy additional junk. Now I wish I had the option of adding a red dot, just so I had something that worked in the dark.
Great advice in the first part.
Delton’s are shit and PSA is hit or miss but they fucking suck so when it comes to shipping anything to CA. Also in CA barrel length has to be 16” or more.
Just grab yourself a flash light for your rifle if you’re worried about the dark. Or some NODs
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I've fired a gun once in my life at a range and fucking loved it.
My partner would flip if I even suggested attempting to possess a firearm and that's probably a good thing as I'd probably end up killing or injuring myself (I still have imaginary gunfights with toy guns so a loaded pistol is a very bad idea).
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rad. i just got an AKV, but havent gotten to shoot it yet.
(https://i.imgur.com/sbGCPfh.jpg)
you're going to love shooting that treacherous little brute. i've run about a thousand rounds of FMJ through mine without a single malfunction, BUT, the last time at the range with it, i tried running some hotter JHP stuff through it and it got a bit fussy--experienced a couple of failures to feed. would love to hear down the line your experience with different ammo. heads like Garand Thumb say it eats anything all day long, so we'll see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I&t=806s
here's a few photos of mine and its newest iteration
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ok6DLiRA3WE/XzlUgRVYV1I/AAAAAAAACA8/2Q-ZdDSsKgwp786Do2WtMP1z9AvXiHZLgCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/PSA_AKV_9mm.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J4-t2C7FoQ0/XzlUUjrYfvI/AAAAAAAACA4/YWubLS8YX8YL_4oB1X5gHQH8Z6SbtHAqwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AKV_3.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TUXiyYcwy-o/XzlUloQpOjI/AAAAAAAACBE/zuUuVADAkZAeJ4Idat9LJoBsqRi9s-DaQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AKV_4.jpg)
don’t think this is a thread for politics--more for nerding out--but matty-c, you say "But no way do you lot need ar style weapons and banana clips for hunting or home defence," and to me you're absolutely wrong, because most of the time someone in this country needs to defend themself or someone else, the "bad guy" is coming at them with something that holds 30 or more rounds (like all of those 33-round Glock magazines out there). this was from the first Judge Benitez ruling in CA (2017):
"Judge Benitez described three home invasions, two of which ended with the female victims running out of bullets...In the third case, the pajama-clad woman with a 'high-capacity' magazine took on three armed intruders, firing at them while simultaneously calling for help on her phone...'She had no place to carry an extra magazine and no way to reload because her left hand held the phone with which she was still trying to call 911', the judge wrote, saying she killed one attacker while two escaped"
this is long enough for now, but since i mentioned it earlier, here's a couple of photos of my Arsenal with the "modernizations." the fucker was expensive (speaking to Willie), but from what i understand, Arsenal is what was created after Bulgaria denationalized its AK-building infrastructure (after supplying Russia all of that time), and this SAM 7 SF is cold-hammer forged first, then milled, etc. i can expect an indefinite service life from it
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DduWvGZn9F0/XzlSOa3qyTI/AAAAAAAACAk/dE1mHFQtn6k1hXAvoR7Jgwk9UVUwQ6IegCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/Arsenal_Modernization.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Le_lPgYeOi8/XzlSTgW2KXI/AAAAAAAACAo/13trelHHAKoUxwmUVWbf_Wd2uzcAsOA5ACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/Arsenal_Ultimak.jpg)
sorry for the multiple edits, i also wanted to mention regarding me and AKs to Willie, i'm a bit of a gorilla, and love and depend on the weight of AK receivers, even stamped ones. i don't feel like i'm holding anything when i'm holding friends' ARs...one man's opinion (for now)...
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Oh there is a Wendell in here haha
That AKV is a beaut for sure
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Oh there is a Wendell in here haha
That AKV is a beaut for sure
...hah, yeah, unfortunately had a funeral to attend yesterday, and i figured this thread would get a life of its own when i first sat down at the laptop this morning.
i don't want to keep posting over and over again--although i have a bunch of questions for people who have mentioned guns and calibers i'm interested in--but i did want to also say how stoked i am to see all of the other "the dirty lefty snowflakes" (ihatejulio) in here. i am personally an example of how bunglingly inefficient any kind of simple binary set of political designations are when i'm discussing something like gun rights with people...i am a professor and doctoral candidate in the Humanities...
...the NRA has never been an option. this organization is interesting to me, and although i'm still doing my own research, i think they sound solid and have chapters in Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsTAkqWaI8A
https://naaga.co/
it is indeed tricky trying to navigate gun-advocacy organizations though, because so many of them are populated by toxic-ass white fanatics...
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Oh there is a Wendell in here haha
That AKV is a beaut for sure
...hah, yeah, unfortunately had a funeral to attend yesterday, and i figured this thread would get a life of its own when i first sat down at the laptop this morning.
i don't want to keep posting over and over again--although i have a bunch of questions for people who have mentioned guns and calibers i'm interested in--but i did want to also say how stoked i am to see all of the other "the dirty lefty snowflakes" (ihatejulio) in here. i am personally an example of how bunglingly inefficient any kind of simple binary set of political designations are when i'm discussing something like gun rights with people...i am a professor and doctoral candidate in the Humanities...
...the NRA has never been an option. this organization is interesting to me, and although i'm still doing my own research, i think they sound solid and have chapters in Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsTAkqWaI8A
https://naaga.co/
it is indeed tricky trying to navigate gun-advocacy organizations though, because so many of them are populated by toxic-ass white fanatics...
Yeah my brothers are definitely in that weird white toxic masculinity vibe I actively try to avoid it.
I mention this because I too am an advocate for 2nd amendment. However there should be a bit more detailed information and background checks for owner’s, myself included beforehand.
As I’ve stated beforehand I probably shouldn’t own the few I have, but as the political climate we’re in I’m glad to have something vs. nothing for my families sake.
Found this earlier I had to share this.
https://apple.news/Ai3lZsYaBRoGP5HsI67nrfQ
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I’ve been bored and just dumping money into my M&P 15.
Swapped out the handguard
Got a holosun red dot and flip 3x magnifier
Got a California compliant grip
(https://imgur.com/a/rID8Kvs)
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Does anyone have any recommendations for a first buy? I have to be California compliant if that helps. I was thinking of getting an Anderson AM15 AR-15, a 9mm Springfield XD-S pistol, or a Smith & Wesson I M&P 15-22 Sport to just dink stuff with 22. Not very happy with the surge pricing on ammo but it is what it is.
Same thing with the Springfield, I wasn’t a fan, it’s too too heavy and the slide would catch my finger. If you’re set on striker fired over hammer just get a Glock 19 or 17
The best time to buy a gun was yesterday. If you’re in the LA area PM me and I’ll help you out or we can link and go shoot some shit our at Hodge Rd
For a handgun just get something that YOU like shooting. Go to a range and rent stuff. That’s how I figured out really quickly that despite looking great on John McClain I hated shooting a Beretta 92.
At the very least try handling a few at a store/gun show.
I don’t know anything about Anderson. If I was buying a budget AR I’d get a PSA or Del-Ton or something. I prefer Mid Length to Carbine but full length is great if you’re shooting with iron sights. On that note, the last AR I bought I opted for a fixed carry handle so I’d be less tempted to buy additional junk. Now I wish I had the option of adding a red dot, just so I had something that worked in the dark.
For a .22 I’d recommend a bolt action that shoots better than you can (CZ, Savage, etc.). I’ve had a 10/22 and fooled around with a .22 AR and they are a fun way to burn ammo but I eventually decided it was more fun having something that was mechanically able to hit a dime at 50 yards every time even when I couldn’t. When you can’t blame the gun you don’t want for something better all the time.
Thanks for the responses y'all, much appreciated. I'll look into getting an M&P 15 with a conversion kit because I want to practice my aim without having to spend a ton of money on ammo. Then when I want to shoot a higher caliber I can just take off the kit. Ruger 556 is another good choice that I have looked into. I liked shooting the XD's to be honest and didn't have any trouble with the slide catching.
Funny that Beretta 92 was mentioned since that was the pistol I have been most accurate with in the past. I'd consider getting one but it is a bit on the bulky/heavy side for my tastes. 10/22 is another great option for a first buy. I'm really eager to learn more so thanks again for the help!
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I've had my firearm safety certificate for a while now but don't actually own any guns. Love going to the range and shooting them though. I could just never afford them with the other hobbies I have. But I plan on buying my first before November for obvious reasons.
I also love all the dirty lefty snowflakes like me in this thread who support gun rights and I'm glad the SRA got brought up. I've considered joining my local Pink Pistol group many times.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a first buy? I have to be California compliant if that helps. I was thinking of getting an Anderson AM15 AR-15, a 9mm Springfield XD-S pistol, or a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 Sport to just dink stuff with 22. Not very happy with the surge pricing on ammo but it is what it is.
I've been very happy with my s&w 9mm. It was not expensive, it is easy to clean, and has a 16 round clip capacity. Also, it is light.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/sw-sd9-ve-std-capacity
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All good I don’t wanna derail this with pointless arguments.
It’s just my opinion, man
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Guns we have here are quite capable of killing all manner of beast. Maybe I’d think differently in my country there were more guns than people and there’s more than one mass shooting per day.
I honestly don’t know man yeah maybe I would feel the need then
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Grew up shooting once in a while. Its fun. I went skeet shooting recently and that was great.
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All good I don’t wanna derail this with pointless arguments.
It’s just my opinion, man
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Guns we have here are quite capable of killing all manner of beast. Maybe I’d think differently in my country there were more guns than people and there’s more than one mass shooting per day.
I honestly don’t know man yeah maybe I would feel the need then
it's all good my friend, and living in the USA--which i consider to be in a state of TERMINAL decline--is as you say, a whole different ball game. of course, when one lives in a city, "mass shootings" aren't really a problem--carefully planned and prepared "mass shootings" are almost wholly a suburban issue.
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Oh, we’re HERE too. I’m a big radical lefty socialist, and I generally dislike gun “culture,” but I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
I detest the NRA, support reasonable bans on certain weapons & don’t care for hunting. Buuut... I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
same. i was thinking about joining the Socialist Rifle Association, but i'm a little sketched on having my name on a list.
for real. look at the SRA subreddit, there's dudes typing all sorts of shit that will put out on some 3 letter organizations lists.
i mentioned the NAAGA (https://naaga.co/) above, and in addition to being as sincerely inclusive as they are (or at least aspire to be), they have a rational and well-thought-out code of conduct which i can see as a solid attempt at least, to avoid members' names ending up on lists...which i suspect is much easier said than done. here's the code of conduct:
"-Members may NOT engage in activities that OVERTLY promote violence toward any members or the public.
-Members may NOT engage in any form of harassment or discrimination based on race, color, sex, age, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical disability toward any members or the public.
-Members may NOT engage in alcohol consumption before or during a NAAGA meeting or shooting event.
-Members may NOT engage in verbal discussions or statements advocating any acts of violence toward Police, Military, and/or Government officials.
-Members may NOT engage in verbal discussions or statements advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government."
again, i'm still doing my own research on this, but this organization seems promising
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Oh, we’re HERE too. I’m a big radical lefty socialist, and I generally dislike gun “culture,” but I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
I detest the NRA, support reasonable bans on certain weapons & don’t care for hunting. Buuut... I’m a big fan of guns & shooting.
same. i was thinking about joining the Socialist Rifle Association, but i'm a little sketched on having my name on a list.
for real. look at the SRA subreddit, there's dudes typing all sorts of shit that will put out on some 3 letter organizations lists.
I'm glad this thread is taking off. I've just been shooting, biking, and smoking weed this summer. Doesn't get much better.
Currently got a glock 19 gen 3 and Walter P22 for taking out to play. The P22 can be had hella cheap and with a couple easy mods is a fun little pew pew pew toy that doesn't cost much to play with.
Sportsman's had some Maverick 88 12 gauge home defense available online earlier today for $230ish but sold out before I could swoop in.
Also got a cheap anderson stripped lower. I know it's not anything special but since I'm gonna be mostly home bound this fall, I figure I'll work on a build. Any y'all got recommendations for websites and complete uppers?
First off toss that Anderson in the trash, their QC is non existent.
Just go check out Aero if you want a good budget build.
Find one of these - https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-complete-lower-receiver-moe-sl-grip-slk-carbine-stock
Damn Mavericks used to be $180 a few months ago
I heard Mossberg is backed up with like almost a solid year of orders
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I live in CA as well, if you’re in SoCal let’s shoot.
Just lurk R/gundeals and you can find aero lowers cheap and then go on calguns and find a home based ffl who won’t fuck you on the fees
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Honestly you can probably find what you’re looking for on either but I’ve had better luck on calguns. Just avoid anything politics related on there
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Right about now I’m extra happy to be able to feed both the Marlin 1894 CST & the Ruger SP101 the same munition(s). The .38 Specials are still pretty cheap & the .357 Mags aren’t to spendy either.
The Marlin’s action could use a little refining on a pro gunsmith’s bench, but it is a pure delight to shoot.
Of all of the ones in the safe, the New England break-open .17 HMR single shot is still the most fun to spend time with, though.
i'm a bit jealous Lou, Marlins are incredible/beautiful rifles and definitely a high contender for my next purchase--which will probably not be any time soon, if for no other reason than my safe is at capacity.
i dig Garand Thumb's rigor and experience when it comes to reviewing firearms, and i remember this one on your 1894 CST:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GX2CaiWaSk
i could picture some purists not digging the aesthetic of that "upgrade" (the same way AK fanatics are about "modernizing" the platform), but that does indeed look like a fun rifle to learn to shoot.
i'm actually REALLY interested in the 45-70 Government round, and this absolute beaut of a rifle--the Marlin 1895 Trapper--is what i would love to become acquainted with this round through, although they've been hard to get (and expensive) for a while now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq5G2CB8kdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGUNWYV4QG4
i'd be lying if i didn't also admit that i had my interest piqued in this rifle since it is what Jeremy Renner's character is wielding in Wind River (an incredible film by the way).
in addition to being just a straight brute of a caliber, i know the 45-70 Government round is also expensive as shit to shoot, so i also figured that would be an ideal round to invest in the equipment to begin loading my own ammo for...alas, all of course down the line, once i've saved up much more money than i have to spend now...one can dream though...
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This Henry .410 lever shotgun would be really fun to shoot. However, it's kinda pricey and there aren't many applications for it. Would be sweet to have if I owned a farm and needed to exterminate critters once in a while.
(https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Henry-.410-Axe-Shotgun-10-e1581026823971.jpg)
I have a Mossberg Maverick 88 series 20 gauge pump. It's like Mossberg's cheap version of its own 500. I think it's great for the price, although I haven't put it through much wear and tear. I've used it trap shooting and got my first take goose hunting with it last year. Cooked thanksgiving dinner with those geese. Good deal!
(https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/637770_ts.jpg)
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This Henry .410 lever shotgun would be really fun to shoot. However, it's kinda pricey and there aren't many applications for it. Would be sweet to have if I owned a farm and needed to exterminate critters once in a while.
(https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Henry-.410-Axe-Shotgun-10-e1581026823971.jpg)
I have a Mossberg Maverick 88 series 20 gauge pump. It's like Mossberg's cheap version of its own 500. I think it's great for the price, although I haven't put it through much wear and tear. I've used it trap shooting and got my first take goose hunting with it last year. Cooked thanksgiving dinner with those geese. Good deal!
(https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/637770_ts.jpg)
oh my, that Henry looks fun...and treacherous...and fun. i could picture carrying that around in a sweet scabbard on a farm for sure...
...eh, since we're talking short-barreled and Mossberg here, i might as well share a photo of this nasty fucker which is an absolute blast to shoot once you get used to it:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Eoxd4w5txKE/Wc-9tsBVfFI/AAAAAAAABuo/rNdOg75v8P0lov2lX7jO7FjzO7GIr9mzQCLcBGAs/s1600/20170915_191148.jpg)
to me, Mossberg is like the Glock of shotguns--one still gets dependability despite comparatively reasonable prices. people can say what they want about this 590 Shockwave--and at first one is reluctant to shoot it anywhere but from the hip--but i've learned to aim and wield this thing quite well at this point. to me, this is ideal for home-defense in all of the shitty little Detroit apartments i've lived in over the decades, with their small rooms, tight corners, and short hallways...
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Have you shot slugs with the shockwave? (can't tell what ammo is in the photo). I have to imagine the recoil is pretty crazy to handle.
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Have you shot slugs with the shockwave? (can't tell what ammo is in the photo). I have to imagine the recoil is pretty crazy to handle.
i have shot slugs through it, but really only because if the rifle range is the only range open at the shooting range i frequent (and not the handgun range), slugs are required because the targets are on tracks that the shot pellets could get stuck in. other than that, i have a stock of 00 (and some #8) shot that i shoot most of the time. the slugs definitely kick a bit more, but nothing too significant.
that being said--and in general--once you've fired it a few times with any round, you get the feel for it and lose the fear of bringing it up to chest level and actually aiming with the bead becomes normal. the only people i see having bad experiences with it are the boobs that go to the range and try to shoot it one-handed for social media...
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Make sure to test fire your Maverick 88 (and everything else you own). My girlfriend had one the she never fired but kept for home defense. I took it out to the range and it fired 1 out of every three times.
There was a bad design in the trigger pack that made the hammer fall only half way under certain conditions. I fixed hers but I think Mossberg will send you a new trigger pack if you have the same issue.
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(https://i.imgur.com/nfw50g8.jpg)
changed some stuff out on my AKV. quarantine boredom is gonna cost me a fortune.
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That’s a mean shotgun Deputy Wendell
I fully missed what you were saying to me last page I just read your post properly now and had a bit of a google, yeah fuck my earlier comments were probably a bit foolish and uninformed. I’ve never lived in USA and don’t have any good friends from there
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That’s a mean shotgun Deputy Wendell
I fully missed what you were saying to me last page I just read your post properly now and had a bit of a google, yeah fuck my earlier comments were probably a bit foolish and uninformed. I’ve never lived in USA and don’t have any good friends from there
cheers matty
i feel like i should be clear, despite the chaos and collapse that seems to be going down in this country, i still have a pretty unshakable faith in people...even people in the USA.
hope, pray, and work towards the best, but also be as prepared as possible for the worst, right? i'm just about 50 years old, and i'm yet to be convinced that there is a better approach to life in our time...
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saw Galils come up a few times above, and figured i'd share a couple reviews from the old-timer Hickok45.
i fucking love this .308...what a beast of a rifle and a round:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY1OgXyfajk
and here's a follow-up he did on the ACE in 7.62 x 39:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRg-WFlyI5U
i've always dug his reviews because 1) i love his "compound" and the "target-rich environment" he has at his disposal...what fun--pour some concrete to skate on, grow a bunch of my own food, and he has my dream home. if i'm working towards anything, it is to someday down the line have land with that kind of space and resources. and 2) he's clearly just a true gun nerd and historian, and manages to keep the politics and ideology out of the reviews. which is not to say that he is not political--dude has 5.3 million followers on Youtube, and does those "Shooting the Breeze" videos that are political at times (and i think he's stayed somewhat affiliated with the NRA unfortunately, but he never mentions them anymore), so i'm not underestimating his influence.
and not to get to political here myself, but of course Israel makes incredible guns and ordnance--their arms industry (IWI) is state run and owned, right? doesn't that kind of suggest that conflict is built into Israel's very existence?
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Obviously, there are many different beliefs held that relate to guns and gun ownership. One thing that this thread has made me aware of is that people who are into guns have various sentiments related to the NRA.
What are some of the grievances that you hold related to the NRA OR grievances that you have heard expressed related to the NRA?
I planned on joining as my grandfather was a lifetime member but I also appreciate hearing what other people's thoughts are.
Thanks!
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Obviously, there are many different beliefs held that relate to guns and gun ownership. One thing that this thread has made me aware of is that people who are into guns have various sentiments related to the NRA.
What are some of the grievances that you hold related to the NRA OR grievances that you have heard expressed related to the NRA?
I planned on joining as my grandfather was a lifetime member but I also appreciate hearing what other people's thoughts are.
Thanks!
i've never been a member and never will in the foreseeable future. for me personally, there are a number of reasons, including the current and past leadership. but in a very general sense, i just can't belong to something that's going to have me lumped in with such a large body of stereotypical white conservatism, myopia, and ignorance--our common concern about gun rights does not come close to balancing out the irreconcilable differences in our social, cultural, and political views and lives.
for instance, i agree that everyone needs to be armed because of violent crime (in Detroit the chief of police encourages people to be armed and to defend themselves, which happens all of the time), but i absolutely disagree with the vast majority of NRA members about the cause of violent crime (poverty) and what to needs to be done about it (ameliorate poverty, which is on all of us to do).
so i agree that in the day-to-day reality of living in this country--especially in cities and inner-ring suburbs--people need to be armed to protect themselves and those they love and those who cannot protect themselves, BUT, i also insist that we all are responsible in some way for the conditions that lead people to commit violent crime...we all need to be consistent with our conversations about and efforts at countering the systemic poverty and necessity that keeps generating new criminals and criminalized youth in the first place.
my perception is that the average white NRA member childishly sees criminals as inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, and they deserve whatever they get, etc. what's actually really funny here is, see Joe Biden's speech for the "Crime Bill" in 1993 for the exact attitude i'm trying to describe here:
http://youtu.be/7oDHSt-CKtc
Pug, that really is just one kind of general reason i have. but, as i'm sure you know, it's also important to understand that the NRA does not have a simple or monolithic history and/or identity, even when it comes to race. i think Killer Mike has shared a lot of important knowledge in this regard, and here's one quick example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q
the way i understand it, the NRA was supplying Robert F. Williams and his followers with ammo and resources when nobody else would, although i admittedly don't know that history as well as i should--here's a link for some info on. Williams if you're curious:
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/rob.html
probably didn't give you anything solid to go on Pug, and apologies for that, but this is all of the first things that came to mind and i need to get back to work...
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I have a WWII German K98, and a M1 Garand. I don't shoot that often, and I'm pretty bad at it. Right handed, left eye dominate, which sucks. It's fun though.
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Obviously, there are many different beliefs held that relate to guns and gun ownership. One thing that this thread has made me aware of is that people who are into guns have various sentiments related to the NRA.
What are some of the grievances that you hold related to the NRA OR grievances that you have heard expressed related to the NRA?
I planned on joining as my grandfather was a lifetime member but I also appreciate hearing what other people's thoughts are.
Thanks!
i've never been a member and never will in the foreseeable future. for me personally, there are a number of reasons, including the current and past leadership. but in a very general sense, i just can't belong to something that's going to have me lumped in with such a large body of stereotypical white conservatism, myopia, and ignorance--our common concern about gun rights does not come close to balancing out the irreconcilable differences in our social, cultural, and political views and lives.
for instance, i agree that everyone needs to be armed because of violent crime (in Detroit the chief of police encourages people to be armed and to defend themselves, which happens all of the time), but i absolutely disagree with the vast majority of NRA members about the cause of violent crime (poverty) and what to needs to be done about it (ameliorate poverty, which is on all of us to do).
so i agree that in the day-to-day reality of living in this country--especially in cities and inner-ring suburbs--people need to be armed to protect themselves and those they love and those who cannot protect themselves, BUT, i also insist that we all are responsible in some way for the conditions that lead people to commit violent crime...we all need to be consistent with our conversations about and efforts at countering the systemic poverty and necessity that keeps generating new criminals and criminalized youth in the first place.
my perception is that the average white NRA member childishly sees criminals as inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, and they deserve whatever they get, etc. what's actually really funny here is, see Joe Biden's speech for the "Crime Bill" in 1993 for the exact attitude i'm trying to describe here:
http://youtu.be/7oDHSt-CKtc
Pug, that really is just one kind of general reason i have. but, as i'm sure you know, it's also important to understand that the NRA does not have a simple or monolithic history and/or identity, even when it comes to race. i think Killer Mike has shared a lot of important knowledge in this regard, and here's one quick example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q
the way i understand it, the NRA was supplying Robert F. Williams and his followers with ammo and resources when nobody else would, although i admittedly don't know that history as well as i should--here's a link for some info on. Williams if you're curious:
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/rob.html
probably didn't give you anything solid to go on Pug, and apologies for that, but this is all of the first things that came to mind and i need to get back to work...
Thanks for such a thorough response and for the links!
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The ATF can suck my fucking dick.
They’re trying to now reclassify AR and AK pistols as AOW’s and subject them to NFA registration and taxation. To do this they are arbitrarily changing the legal definitions of “large handguns” to be determined by a variety of factors that include overall weight, are rifle sights utilized, does the weapon use a rifle caliber, just to name a few. In order to determine the legality of your firearm the ATF expects you to mail in your gun to them for classification (turn around time is a year+) then have the gun sent to an FFL where you would have to 4073 Again and tax stamp it and register it. This would also end the importation of ak pistols (no more Dracos :() and has no grandfather clause with a retroactive enforcement directive. Millions of us who legally procured our firearms will be felons overnight, it’s absolute bullshit.
In summation, fuck the ATF and their for-profit attack on the 2A.
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all of the posts i've seen about this have looked like poorly sourced propaganda. the election is in a week. people are getting desperate. i'm not gonna worry too much about this.
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Like he said above, could just be a rumor although that whole Sig Brace thing has brought a lot of heat to something that regulators didn’t seem to be worried about before.
Now every pistol AR/AK can more or less become a backdoor SBR.
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It’s the ATF hedging their bets for a Biden win.
If Trump wins, they’ll just keep at it until they are told to stop since the way they make their money is enforcement/taxation
If Biden wins, they’ll get a pat on the back and more funding for doing such a good job under a hostile administration.
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Prices are stupid. I spent $30 on a box of shitty Federal 9mm Mak FMJ just so I had an option to do something besides throwing my Mak if things got dicey.
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Yes. Just went to the range this week. Ammo was already fucking ridiculous price here in CA, but checked after I got home and it is fucking ludicrous right now! I’m good until this hysteria fucking dies down for a minute and prices come back down to somewhat normal. That’s if you can even find the shit right now. So lame.
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So, how many people have you guys killed with those bad boys?
I’ve been thinking of picking myself up a gun, but I really don’t see myself killing more than 2 or 3 people a week.
Worth the investment? Or, should I stick with my ninja stars?
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So, how many people have you guys killed with those bad boys?
I’ve been thinking of picking myself up a gun, but I really don’t see myself killing more than 2 or 3 people a week.
Worth the investment? Or, should I stick with my ninja stars?
Lol sick troll bro I’m so triggered right now you really got me.
Why don’t you just go back to playing house with Daddy’s money instead of trying to stir shit up like a 12 year old.
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Yes. Just went to the range this week. Ammo was already fucking ridiculous price here in CA, but checked after I got home and it is fucking ludicrous right now! I’m good until this hysteria fucking dies down for a minute and prices come back down to somewhat normal. That’s if you can even find the shit right now. So lame.
ya, CA prices do suck. I found a local hardware store that stills sells ammo. It's the last one in the area that still sells ammo. People just don't know about it... they've got mad boxes of .223 signature Ted Nugent ammo that are hella dusty. Tons of .380 as well, but it's a bit more expensive than Sportsman's warehouse, where if you look, there's .20cpr 9mm from time to time...
That’s actually pretty dope you have a hardware store that stills sells some stuff. The .223 might be worth snatching up as that and .556 are getting hard to come by right now. .20cpr is super reasonable for 9mm right now.
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I'm gonna buy a complete upper finally. Have had a lower for a couple years but never finished it. I'm going to be moving into pretty much wilderness in about 2 months. Up a dirt road and stuff. Mountain Lions, Bears, and rednecks in the area.
Sounds exactly like me. Bought a lower a little while back for a build when my boy was trying to get me to buy a complete off the rack for a good price and that thing just ended up sitting around forever as other projects and life happenings came up. I’ll get around to it, but now isn’t exactly the most ideal time. Whatevs.
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For sure shoot guns.
I've got a pump action cock.
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So, how many people have you guys killed with those bad boys?
I’ve been thinking of picking myself up a gun, but I really don’t see myself killing more than 2 or 3 people a week.
Worth the investment? Or, should I stick with my ninja stars?
Lol sick troll bro I’m so triggered right now you really got me.
Why don’t you just go back to playing house with Daddy’s money instead of trying to stir shit up like a 12 year old.
You didn't answer my question.
Killings... How many?
Or is it just a micropenis, hillbilly, scared shirtless kinda' thing?
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So, how many people have you guys killed with those bad boys?
I’ve been thinking of picking myself up a gun, but I really don’t see myself killing more than 2 or 3 people a week.
Worth the investment? Or, should I stick with my ninja stars?
Lol sick troll bro I’m so triggered right now you really got me.
Why don’t you just go back to playing house with Daddy’s money instead of trying to stir shit up like a 12 year old.
You didn't answer my question.
Killings... How many?
Or is it just a micropenis, hillbilly, scared shirtless kinda' thing?
Is that what you do in your free time Mouth, think of me shirtless?
Or is it a micropenis, spoiled rich kid, Inferiority complex kinda thing? You’ve got some real little man energy going.
It’s just sad man, move on.
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I've never shot a gun in my life even though I live in Florida lol. It hasn't been intentional, it's just that my parents have a lot of war trauma from being in Bosnia in the 80s/90s so guns were a touchy subject growing up.
I have a bunch of friends that shoot, but I've never made it out to a range with them. I think eventually I may want a pistol for home protection, but that's about it. Archery is what I really want to do as a recreational activity. A good shot with an arrow seems like it would be more satisfying than using a gun. What do I know though haha.
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Just ordered another AR lower from Palmetto to build a pistol. But currently holding onto my Mossberg 500, Springfield 1911, and the classic Ruger 10/22.
Being from Vermont in the mountains guns were never really thought of as out of the ordinary. So many kids I went to high school with had gun racks in their trucks for deer season. I think that people that hate guns for the image are entitled to their opinions, but they should also understand that their upbringing was vastly different from folks who were around firearms for one reason or another.
Guns are also just wicked fun to blast pumpkins/beer cans/ whatever with. Don't need a reason to have some fun.
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PSA is either really good or really bad but the way they’ve treated CA customers over the years including recently doxxing everyone via email or refusing to ship parts even though it’s legal is bullshit
If you’re looking for a deal on a good lower just keep an eye on Aero’s site, their “blems” are usually like 70-80 bucks and more than once I haven’t even been able to find the blemish
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Never shot a gun in my life. Would love to, but I'm not careful enough to trust myself with a gun. Would probably end up accidentally shooting myself or a friend
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I shot a couple different handguns and an AR yesterday at a range. It was alright, I was a better shot than I thought I'd be. I don't think I could get into it as a hobby though, kinda boring after I got over the initial thrill. It's kind of like darts or something.
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I shot a couple different handguns and an AR yesterday at a range. It was alright, I was a better shot than I thought I'd be. I don't think I could get into it as a hobby though, kinda boring after I got over the initial thrill. It's kind of like darts or something.
That’s when you find some Public land to go shoot on and set up little courses for yourself, practice reloads, movements, etc as those things are infinitely harder under duress, there’s plenty of 2 gun competitions, hunting (not going to lie I kind of want to do that helicopter hog hunting), different types of shooting classes, the list goes on.
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Just ordered another AR lower from Palmetto to build a pistol. But currently holding onto my Mossberg 500, Springfield 1911, and the classic Ruger 10/22.
Being from Vermont in the mountains guns were never really thought of as out of the ordinary. So many kids I went to high school with had gun racks in their trucks for deer season. I think that people that hate guns for the image are entitled to their opinions, but they should also understand that their upbringing was vastly different from folks who were around firearms for one reason or another.
Guns are also just wicked fun to blast pumpkins/beer cans/ whatever with. Don't need a reason to have some fun.
what's your experience with PSA quality? I wanna snag an upper but am on the fence as far as QC
Last AR I built was pretty great with parts from them. I am going to probably ball out and get an Aero Precision 10.5" upper, but the PSA with Magpul furniture has been great from what I have seen. Honestly of the multiple AR's I have shot they are all pretty similar feeling except the dirt cheap one my buddy has. The Magpul PSA one I had before felt very similar to my friends 2000$ one. Just depends on what you want to do and how much flexing you want to do at the range.
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when y'all are buying your lowers online, where do you get em shipped? Do you have a ppt FFL or something? The LGS is charging a hundo per transfer and that's just fuckd up!
If you’re buying online it has to go to an FFL.
PPT are only in person
You’re going to have to call around, there are a lot of predatory shops out there, 100 is way too greedy.
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my local shop charges 20 per order; if i get two or three guns, its still 20. 100 is pretty sketch
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Ugh, I had been eyeing a midlength kit for a while. Decided to sleep on it and was just about to order and the shit went out of stock. They have a similar one though so I'll have to take a peek.
I built a mid length Del-Ton (which someone on here said was a shit brand but has been fine for 5k rounds). I much prefer it to a shorter gas system.
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Ugh, I had been eyeing a midlength kit for a while. Decided to sleep on it and was just about to order and the shit went out of stock. They have a similar one though so I'll have to take a peek.
I built a mid length Del-Ton (which someone on here said was a shit brand but has been fine for 5k rounds). I much prefer it to a shorter gas system.
I’ve been wanting to get a semi-decent .308 bolt action or maybe a short action .223 with irons like a CZ 527. The gun I use the most is a CZ 452 Trainer. It just feels great and shoots like a laser with trash ammo. I have/had some fun stuff but eventually I just got bored essentially tossing money down range in a 2-4 MOA pattern.
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Same here. The upper area I don’t want to fuck with really. The lower is a piece of cake.
Its funny, the upper is actually super easy to assemble, but its just kind of terrifying the first couple times you do it.
Found out PSA doesn't ship to where I live, not even parts, so I bought an Aero Precision lower instead. Kind of bummed I can't get anything even a grip from PSA.
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Any of y'all take a ccw course? I just took an excellent, non-NRA affiliated course over the course of a weekend. The instructor, while I don't know of his social/political stance, was a young guy with an education. I make note of that because he wasn't a typical chud, but a really solid instructor who left the political shit out of the room saying "My CCW course was a bunch of old guys talking politics and I don't want that here. We're here to learn what to do in a gun fight."
We spent a great deal of time discussing velocity/FPS and how regardless of caliber, a handgun has extremely limited stopping capabilities. Pretty interesting stuff.
good to hear--sounds like your instructor was on point. i've had a CPL (or CCW) for about a decade, and just renewed it for the second time back in the winter (just in time too, because the first lock down happened a few weeks after).
i definitely don't align with the politics of the main instructor and his main assistants (being a leftist this is pretty inevitable i guess), but they're pretty good about keeping the politics out. i've also taken a couple of their advanced training courses, getting more into running through various drills, drawing from holster, sight-acquisition, accuracy, situational awareness, engaging multiple targets, etc. all in all i've had great experiences and learned a lot thus far.
i will say that--except for trying to learn (and keep) things on a skateboard--trying to learn to consistently shoot a handgun effectively and accurately has been one of the most humbling endeavors of my life...
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I'm an avid hunter, so yes I shoot guns.
No handguns though
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Any of y'all take a ccw course? I just took an excellent, non-NRA affiliated course over the course of a weekend. The instructor, while I don't know of his social/political stance, was a young guy with an education. I make note of that because he wasn't a typical chud, but a really solid instructor who left the political shit out of the room saying "My CCW course was a bunch of old guys talking politics and I don't want that here. We're here to learn what to do in a gun fight."
We spent a great deal of time discussing velocity/FPS and how regardless of caliber, a handgun has extremely limited stopping capabilities. Pretty interesting stuff.
good to hear--sounds like your instructor was on point. i've had a CPL (or CCW) for about a decade, and just renewed it for the second time back in the winter (just in time too, because the first lock down happened a few weeks after).
i definitely don't align with the politics of the main instructor and his main assistants (being a leftist this is pretty inevitable i guess), but they're pretty good about keeping the politics out. i've also taken a couple of their advanced training courses, getting more into running through various drills, drawing from holster, sight-acquisition, accuracy, situational awareness, engaging multiple targets, etc. all in all i've had great experiences and learned a lot thus far.
i will say that--except for trying to learn (and keep) things on a skateboard--trying to learn to consistently shoot a handgun effectively and accurately has been one of the most humbling endeavors of my life...
no doubt. we definitely spent most of the 2nd day working with basic drills such as drawing from holster, sight acquisition from draw to shooting, as well ready positions. most of the day consisted of dry practice and an insistence on developing muscle memory. The most helpful was a drill with 6 steps
1:load and make ready- here you've got the gun in the work zone, or in front of your face. Looking forward, eyes through trigger guard and on magazine while loading. Looking down to load is a bad habit
2:Shooter ready- this is where we do a mental check to see if we're ready- is gun racked, etc
3:Stand By- bring gun to center of chest with combat grip
4:Fight- draw straight like out from center of chest to shooting position, keeping eye on target and sight, fire when arms are fully extended.
5:Finger off trigger- really a good cue to help refrain from jerking or moving the gun after shot is pulled
6:compress to stand by position
#4 and the practice of starting your sighting before your arms are fully extended was kind of a game changer. Instructor said "I want you to learn this so you're ready to shoot and not fumbling around with sights."
I agree about the humility piece! I went shooting with my partner last week and man, I go about once every week, she goes once every other month. there she is popping away dead eye status with her little P22 and while I'm staying in the paper plate zone, I'm just eating the recoil of my 19 for some reason. anyways, I want to shoot a few mags with the Walther and trade her the Glock. Wouldn't you know, she's going Annie Oakley with that thing too!
As a lefty, are you familiar with the Socialist Rifle Association? The reddit sub is pretty cringe at times, but it's a newer alternative to the NRA when it comes to arming and educating the working class
that sounds like a great class. also, i'm not sure how it goes state by state, but here in Michigan there's mandatory 8-hours of instruction including actual range/shooting time--the CPL class i took, it was one grueling 8-hour class (luckily the renewal classes are much shorter). it sounds like your instructor split it up in to two days, which sounds better to me.
i'm not sure if you ever check out his channel, but i personally dig Garand Thumb's reviews and videos, and he's had some super useful and insightful videos dealing with concealed carry and shooting handguns lately--here are a few:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFRWFh4Uyc&t=667s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYi0SNl0VOo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW4fi79OmL4&t=738s
i am aware of the Socialist Rifle Association--are they also known as and/or affiliated with those John Brown people? I'm not too sure about them, although i think we'd agree on quite a bit. i'm assuming you're with me on never being an NRA member since you mention that, but i have recently been wondering if this wouldn't be a gun good group to join, and they have a chapter in Detroit. they seem to have one of the soundest set of rules for membership and conduct:
https://naaga.co/
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seems like a more fitting thread to put this
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronsmith/2020/11/19/president-elect-biden-brings-a-boost-to-gun-sales/?sh=338f39b6258f
one can take or leave what it's claiming, but it is interesting to see what's going down with the ATF's new list of braces that SB Tactical can no longer sell now, and the millions of firearm owners who own them who just became felons in the past couple of days--i.e. overnight...
edit: just saw some new info on the ATF's new list of braces from SB Tactical, and for the heads in here that have any of those braces on any of your guns, it appears as though there is no "official" change to the legality of owning the braces, so you're good (for now). it appears the list has more to do with messing with SB Tactical...don't want any heads in here to panic and run out and pay $200 for that shit tax stamp.
i won't subscribe to dude's channel, because i disagree with almost everything he espouses other than 2A stuff, but here's this update on the ATF order:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLMlT1y8Apo
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Have a 20 gauge semi auto shotgun for dove and ducks
12 gauge with pistol grip for home defense
and a .270 bolt action ruger rifle for deer/hog
used a friends night vision/thermal .308 AR10 for Hog hunting last year and it was incredible
No handguns yet. Want to make sure I stop drinking as much so I can be a responsible gun owner.
Keep almost everything at parents except pistol grip shotty.
Any of yall fuck with compound bows?
Trying to learn now
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i just won the auction on one of these on GunBroker.com--Galil Ace pistol chambered in 7.62 x 39, so it takes all of the same ammo and magazines as the AKs in my gun safe:
https://iwi.us/product/gap39iisb/
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it's still so funny to me that i register this as a "pistol" with my friendly local sheriff's department, just like i have with every Glock in my safe...thank-you for the arbitrary designations ATF...
i'm still a bit sketched on how much i spent on it...but fuck it though, i know that with a Galil i can expect indefinite service life, 100% solid fit and finish, absolute dependability, etc. plus, i'm sure out of the many anti-gun bills that have been initiated in the past month, further checks on imports are coming.
can't wait to get it and take it to the range...
Garand Thumb just did a review on it--he says its over-gassed...that's one of the reasons i want it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmWOTBQdePo&t=736s
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i just won the auction on one of these on GunBroker.com--Galil Ace pistol chambered in 7.62 x 39, so it takes all of the same ammo and magazines as the AKs in my gun safe:
https://iwi.us/product/gap39iisb/
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it's still so funny to me that i register this as a "pistol" with my friendly local sheriff's department, just like i have with every Glock in my safe...thank-you for the arbitrary designations ATF...
i'm still a bit sketched on how much i spent on it...but fuck it though, i know that with a Galil i can expect indefinite service life, 100% solid fit and finish, absolute dependability, etc. plus, i'm sure out of the many anti-gun bills that have been initiated in the past month, further checks on imports are coming.
can't wait to get it and take it to the range...
Garand Thumb just did a review on it--he says its over-gassed...that's one of the reasons i want it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmWOTBQdePo&t=736s
that looks real nice
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i just won the auction on one of these on GunBroker.com--Galil Ace pistol chambered in 7.62 x 39, so it takes all of the same ammo and magazines as the AKs in my gun safe:
https://iwi.us/product/gap39iisb/
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it's still so funny to me that i register this as a "pistol" with my friendly local sheriff's department, just like i have with every Glock in my safe...thank-you for the arbitrary designations ATF...
i'm still a bit sketched on how much i spent on it...but fuck it though, i know that with a Galil i can expect indefinite service life, 100% solid fit and finish, absolute dependability, etc. plus, i'm sure out of the many anti-gun bills that have been initiated in the past month, further checks on imports are coming.
can't wait to get it and take it to the range...
Garand Thumb just did a review on it--he says its over-gassed...that's one of the reasons i want it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmWOTBQdePo&t=736s
Even the thought you can buy something like this is nuts.
What I wouldn't give for one of these and a few acres.
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i just won the auction on one of these on GunBroker.com--Galil Ace pistol chambered in 7.62 x 39, so it takes all of the same ammo and magazines as the AKs in my gun safe:
https://iwi.us/product/gap39iisb/
(https://iwi.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/GAP39SB-Brace-Extended-e1576683163411.png)
it's still so funny to me that i register this as a "pistol" with my friendly local sheriff's department, just like i have with every Glock in my safe...thank-you for the arbitrary designations ATF...
i'm still a bit sketched on how much i spent on it...but fuck it though, i know that with a Galil i can expect indefinite service life, 100% solid fit and finish, absolute dependability, etc. plus, i'm sure out of the many anti-gun bills that have been initiated in the past month, further checks on imports are coming.
can't wait to get it and take it to the range...
Garand Thumb just did a review on it--he says its over-gassed...that's one of the reasons i want it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmWOTBQdePo&t=736s
Even the thought you can buy something like this is nuts.
What I wouldn't give for one of these and a few acres.
this truly is the goal...enough land to grow plenty of food, pour some concrete, and shoot at steel targets whenever i feel like it...
...shit, maybe down the line when i have tenure or something like that--one can dream...
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Any suggestions for handguns? I'm currently in canada so I cant have em here, but I'm moving to Montana next month and cannot wait to hit the range!
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Any suggestions for handguns? I'm currently in canada so I cant have em here, but I'm moving to Montana next month and cannot wait to hit the range!
I'm not an expert and don't really know much, Deputy Wendell seems to be the one with the most knowledge, but I appreciate the shit out of my Glock 19. It shoots any ammo I feed it, it's fairly accurate, easy to maintain, and is that goldilocks size that can be concealed without being tiny. It's 9mm double stack, so the recoil isn't heavy or snappy, whereas other 9mm I've shot, specifically the smith & Wesson MP shield and Springfield XD, were too snappy and didn't feel as sturdy. They left my hands feeling sore, whereas the Glock 19 is something I can shoot a few hundred rounds through without feeling too tired. I don't know what 9mm ammo costs right now, but it's gone up and up as the pandemic has continued. Between May-August I was able to get it from 13cents per round up to 25cents per round. Since then it seems to all be 30-50cents per round. Really though, I think availability depends on where you live.
Can't go wrong with the Bersa firestorm/thunder 380acp. It's a cheap (sub$300) gun with an alloy frame and steel slide. It's snappy because it's tiny, but it's inexpensive and incredibly accurate. .380 ammo seems to be around .50cents per round, before and during pandemic. It's a bit harder to find
Also got a few Walther P22. they're kinda chintzy things but fun and cheap to shoot although .22 ammo prices seem to be rising as well. They're pretty reliable and accurate once you file sand/polish the feed ramp.
Thanks for offering up some solid advice! I'm looking at some other models too like the Taurus g3, rugar 57 and a few others.
I obviously wont be choosing any until I'm there and can hold them, see what feels right and see the round selections. Super hyped to do it though!
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Any suggestions for handguns? I'm currently in canada so I cant have em here, but I'm moving to Montana next month and cannot wait to hit the range!
I'm not an expert and don't really know much, Deputy Wendell seems to be the one with the most knowledge, but I appreciate the shit out of my Glock 19. It shoots any ammo I feed it, it's fairly accurate, easy to maintain, and is that goldilocks size that can be concealed without being tiny. It's 9mm double stack, so the recoil isn't heavy or snappy, whereas other 9mm I've shot, specifically the smith & Wesson MP shield and Springfield XD, were too snappy and didn't feel as sturdy. They left my hands feeling sore, whereas the Glock 19 is something I can shoot a few hundred rounds through without feeling too tired. I don't know what 9mm ammo costs right now, but it's gone up and up as the pandemic has continued. Between May-August I was able to get it from 13cents per round up to 25cents per round. Since then it seems to all be 30-50cents per round. Really though, I think availability depends on where you live.
Can't go wrong with the Bersa firestorm/thunder 380acp. It's a cheap (sub$300) gun with an alloy frame and steel slide. It's snappy because it's tiny, but it's inexpensive and incredibly accurate. .380 ammo seems to be around .50cents per round, before and during pandemic. It's a bit harder to find
Also got a few Walther P22. they're kinda chintzy things but fun and cheap to shoot although .22 ammo prices seem to be rising as well. They're pretty reliable and accurate once you file sand/polish the feed ramp.
Thanks for offering up some solid advice! I'm looking at some other models too like the Taurus g3, rugar 57 and a few others.
I obviously wont be choosing any until I'm there and can hold them, see what feels right and see the round selections. Super hyped to do it though!
this dude usually has some legit review/informative videos on different guns and generally presents as apolitical
Betaphenylethylalamine, this is some solid advice from IusedToSkateMore as far as gun reviews--at least one of the reasons that Hickok45 (and his son) has nearly 6 million subscribers, is because it really is just about the guns and he does leave the politics out of it for the most part...shit, it really is like having someone's old amiable grandfather talking to you about guns. it could be that he's a retired English teacher....i know in the earlier videos he still briefly plugs the NRA, but he did part with them a bit ago, which makes him that much more credible.
also, the reason i will often go to his channel first when i'm thinking of buying something is because he almost always shoots and reviews guns that are all stock, so no upgrades or enhancements, so you really do get a good idea of what you're thinking of buying. he also usually field strips weapons and takes a look at the components that make them go "pew pew," which i've found to be helpful in the past.
my experience and knowledge with guns is growing, but actually pretty limited in some ways--for instance, i know nothing about the AR platform, in fact, i've never shot an AR if you can believe it...i have only AKs and AK variants all based on the AK platform in my safe--the Galil i mention above being a case in point, since it is based directly on the AK platform. in this regard, as far as handguns go--especially if it's going to be your first and/or only one--i would buy a Glock. honestly, as far as reliability, durability, ergonomics, etc. i honestly have never found a reason to buy handguns other than Glocks...there's a reason they are so widely used by various agencies around the world, they truly are the best handguns.
the big question, is caliber, and in this regard i think Usedto's suggestion of the Glock 19 in 9mm is spot on--and it's a compact, so pretty ideal if you should ever decide to concealed carry. i also have a Glock 17, so a full size Glock (also in 9mm) which i think is the best size for the range, but might be big to concealed carry if you should ever decide to. since we're talking about the old-timer, here's a couple of his videos on the 19:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUgN60kyv8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2w5VlPo3Y
and since we're talking about the Glock 19, which is a compact, the Glock 23 is also the same size, but .40 caliber instead of 9mm, so has a bit more power. some people actually say for that size gun, .40 cal is hard on the hands, and it may be a bit true if you're trying to go through 500 rounds every time you go to the range (kind of tough with the ammo shortage these days of course), but i honestly love my Glock 23 and .40 caliber as a round of ammo. here's Hickok's review of the new gen 5 Glcok 23:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMz2arBsi9Y
one last thing about the Glock 23, with the ammo shortage the way it is, 9mm truly is the most widely used round--for good reasons of course--so .40 cal seems to be a bit easier to come by...but shit, by the time you move here hopefully the ammo supply will be back to normal...
edit: i meant to say, i think in our conversation about having some acres to live and breathe on, we can all agree that Hickok45 has one of the sweetest home shooting ranges ever--or as he often likes to say, a "target-rich environment." all of that steel to "plink" on looks like an absolute blast...and that's only one of the ranges on his land...some day, i swear, some day...
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Any suggestions for handguns? I'm currently in canada so I cant have em here, but I'm moving to Montana next month and cannot wait to hit the range!
I'm not an expert and don't really know much, Deputy Wendell seems to be the one with the most knowledge, but I appreciate the shit out of my Glock 19. It shoots any ammo I feed it, it's fairly accurate, easy to maintain, and is that goldilocks size that can be concealed without being tiny. It's 9mm double stack, so the recoil isn't heavy or snappy, whereas other 9mm I've shot, specifically the smith & Wesson MP shield and Springfield XD, were too snappy and didn't feel as sturdy. They left my hands feeling sore, whereas the Glock 19 is something I can shoot a few hundred rounds through without feeling too tired. I don't know what 9mm ammo costs right now, but it's gone up and up as the pandemic has continued. Between May-August I was able to get it from 13cents per round up to 25cents per round. Since then it seems to all be 30-50cents per round. Really though, I think availability depends on where you live.
Can't go wrong with the Bersa firestorm/thunder 380acp. It's a cheap (sub$300) gun with an alloy frame and steel slide. It's snappy because it's tiny, but it's inexpensive and incredibly accurate. .380 ammo seems to be around .50cents per round, before and during pandemic. It's a bit harder to find
Also got a few Walther P22. they're kinda chintzy things but fun and cheap to shoot although .22 ammo prices seem to be rising as well. They're pretty reliable and accurate once you file sand/polish the feed ramp.
Thanks for offering up some solid advice! I'm looking at some other models too like the Taurus g3, rugar 57 and a few others.
I obviously wont be choosing any until I'm there and can hold them, see what feels right and see the round selections. Super hyped to do it though!
this dude usually has some legit review/informative videos on different guns and generally presents as apolitical
Betaphenylethylalamine, this is some solid advice from IusedToSkateMore as far as gun reviews--at least one of the reasons that Hickok45 (and his son) has nearly 6 million subscribers, is because it really is just about the guns and he does leave the politics out of it for the most part...shit, it really is like having someone's old amiable grandfather talking to you about guns. it could be that he's a retired English teacher....i know in the earlier videos he still briefly plugs the NRA, but he did part with them a bit ago, which makes him that much more credible.
also, the reason i will often go to his channel first when i'm thinking of buying something is because he almost always shoots and reviews guns that are all stock, so no upgrades or enhancements, so you really do get a good idea of what you're thinking of buying. he also usually field strips weapons and takes a look at the components that make them go "pew pew," which i've found to be helpful in the past.
my experience and knowledge with guns is growing, but actually pretty limited in some ways--for instance, i know nothing about the AR platform, in fact, i've never shot an AR if you can believe it...i have only AKs and AK variants all based on the AK platform in my safe--the Galil i mention above being a case in point, since it is based directly on the AK platform. in this regard, as far as handguns go--especially if it's going to be your first and/or only one--i would buy a Glock. honestly, as far as reliability, durability, ergonomics, etc. i honestly have never found a reason to buy handguns other than Glocks...there's a reason they are so widely used by various agencies around the world, they truly are the best handguns.
the big question, is caliber, and in this regard i think Usedto's suggestion of the Glock 19 in 9mm is spot on--and it's a compact, so pretty ideal if you should ever decide to concealed carry. i also have a Glock 17, so a full size Glock (also in 9mm) which i think is the best size for the range, but might be big to concealed carry if you should ever decide to. since we're talking about the old-timer, here's a couple of his videos on the 19:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUgN60kyv8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2w5VlPo3Y
and since we're talking about the Glock 19, which is a compact, the Glock 23 is also the same size, but .40 caliber instead of 9mm, so has a bit more power. some people actually say for that size gun, .40 cal is hard on the hands, and it may be a bit true if you're trying to go through 500 rounds every time you go to the range (kind of tough with the ammo shortage these days of course), but i honestly love my Glock 23 and .40 caliber as a round of ammo. here's Hickok's review of the new gen 5 Glcok 23:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMz2arBsi9Y
one last thing about the Glock 23, with the ammo shortage the way it is, 9mm truly is the most widely used round--for good reasons of course--so .40 cal seems to be a bit easier to come by...but shit, by the time you move here hopefully the ammo supply will be back to normal...
edit: i meant to say, i think in our conversation about having some acres to live and breathe on, we can all agree that Hickok45 has one of the sweetest home shooting ranges ever--or as he often likes to say, a "target-rich environment." all of that steel to "plink" on looks like an absolute blast...and that's only one of the ranges on his land...some day, i swear, some day...
Thanks! I stayed up waaaay too late last night watching his videos lol. Very good info.
I'm pretty sure I'll be going glock, not sure what size yet? But I also wont be making any decisions until I can feel it in my hands.
Also, I cannot believe hickock hits a target at 230 yard with a glock 27. That's insane
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I'm pretty sure the glock 19 is what I'll end up with, but I will report back. It's one of the first things to do on my list after I arrive on the 8th and settle in.
Turns out there is a great range about a 5 minute drive from the house I rented too, major bonus
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I like to shoot guns but haven't set aside the cash to get one myself
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i've got some pellet guns and a black powder hunting rifle.
PCP .25 is gnarly but it's hard to pump after every 10 shots or so.
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I'm pretty sure the glock 19 is what I'll end up with, but I will report back. It's one of the first things to do on my list after I arrive on the 8th and settle in.
Turns out there is a great range about a 5 minute drive from the house I rented too, major bonus
Look into BLM (bureau of land management) land in your area for free shooting in the great outdoors. Its always nice to hike a hill and send rounds down range
I'll look into tonight! Thanks for the info! I've already been looking into the rules and regs for hunting and fishing too.
It's a fantastic hunting area I'm told(and from what I've seen)
I'm excited to get into some fly fishing too as here, we only have lake trout. Anyhow, I'll be looking forward to my first deer and elk hunts in the mountains. That's been a dream of mine for along time.
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This is what I have and I absolutely love it.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/sd-ve (https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/sd-ve)
I didn't think I'd be able to afford a Smith and Wesson while being a broke grad student, but this ran me 350$ before tax and I was totally cool with that.
It is easy to clean, reliable, and could be used for concealed carry, but I would personally want something smaller. It doesn't have a safety, so I would not want to use it for CC for that reason as well.
I read some comments online that the trigger pull is too difficult, but I think it is a load of crap. It is a "self defense" model, so they did make the trigger pull more difficult than other guns, but it doesn't bother me at all. Its like the difference between a 50mm and 51mm wheel IMO.
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i've got some pellet guns and a black powder hunting rifle.
PCP .25 is gnarly but it's hard to pump after every 10 shots or so.
damn G, Ive fucked with LSD25, but PCP25, you're an animal ;)
I saw one on craigslist today actually. But my buddy has a full auto pellet rifle that's pretty beastly for what it is.
sick, is it a PCP? those pneumatic guns are like nail guns but they're very difficult to pump, takes all your weight. Hatsan make a full auto but i imagine the strength is cut down by the time you empty a magazine.
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@Betaphenylethylalamine
This is what I have and I absolutely love it.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/sd-ve (https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/sd-ve)
I didn't think I'd be able to afford a Smith and Wesson while being a broke grad student, but this ran me 350$ before tax and I was totally cool with that.
It is easy to clean, reliable, and could be used for concealed carry, but I would personally want something smaller. It doesn't have a safety, so I would not want to use it for CC for that reason as well.
I read some comments online that the trigger pull is too difficult, but I think it is a load of crap. It is a "self defense" model, so they did make the trigger pull more difficult than other guns, but it doesn't bother me at all. Its like the difference between a 50mm and 51mm wheel IMO.
Looks like a great gun!
My only gripe would be the 9mm.
In fact I might go glock 23 just based on the .40
BUTTT, that all depends on supply etc when I arrive
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I only said that based on availability
So ideally, I'd take the glock 19 in a heartbeat if the 9mm rounds are plentiful in the area
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I only said that based on availability
So ideally, I'd take the glock 19 in a heartbeat if the 9mm rounds are plentiful in the area
Right on, I wasn't trying to be condescending or anything, just curious. After taking some courses and learning more, I've given a lot of thought to the efficacy of handguns and higher calibers.
No worries bro! You've been nothing but a massive help! I appreciate your insight
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i'm exceedingly giddy that this treacherous little brute is on it's way and should arrive at my friendly neighborhood FFL handling the transfer, on Wednesday...and since we've been talking about the old-timer Hickok45, here's him with it on "range 2"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRg-WFlyI5U
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i'm exceedingly giddy that this treacherous little brute is on it's way and should arrive at my friendly neighborhood FFL handling the transfer, on Wednesday...and since we've been talking about the old-timer Hickok45, here's him with it on "range 2"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRg-WFlyI5U
That looks fun! I'd be excited too!
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i like paul harrel vids. and the old man who makes a silencer out of a can from auto parts store.
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shot a 3 legged deer last week, spike buck (horns were long and straight so it's usually a cull deer to shoot that you don't want to breed)
with a remington r700 bolt action chambered in .270
The poor deer was old and so thin since he was hobbling around, it's better to go out wuickly than of starvation or a pack of coyotes.
Weirdest shot of my life, he and another buck were in the brush about 100+ yards out and could smell me due to the win so they wouldn't come out of cover. He was with a healthy young buck that I wouldn't be a shooter.
I couldn't see this deer for the life of me and it was about dusk. Luckily I had my dad spotting w binos cause the sun kept getting in the scope glass, I would see the deer for a split second then he would dip into the trees.
I finally got a good look at him and took the shot which i had very low confidence in due to the conditions, my weird ass sitting position, and time I spent lining up the shot. He was facing me head on and lifted up his head so I got him in the base of neck.
Sorry if this is too much, I used to HATE hunting but after spending years managing this land and bringing up a healthy population it feels good to eat meat you shot. My gf was complaining and I was like look you eat fast food daily, this deer died instantly and lived a good life. Those cows and chickens are living a way worse life
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I wonder how his foot got caught, someone either tried to snare him (which is super illegal)
or it got caught in a fence.
Ive seen deer missing a hoof before that were pretty fast, like some of those 3 leg dogs that manage but this poor bastard wasn't moving very well. I was afraid he was too young but once I got a good look at him I knew he was older than I thought and super malnourished.
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shot a 3 legged deer last week, spike buck (horns were long and straight so it's usually a cull deer to shoot that you don't want to breed)
with a remington r700 bolt action chambered in .270
The poor deer was old and so thin since he was hobbling around, it's better to go out wuickly than of starvation or a pack of coyotes.
Weirdest shot of my life, he and another buck were in the brush about 100+ yards out and could smell me due to the win so they wouldn't come out of cover. He was with a healthy young buck that I wouldn't be a shooter.
I couldn't see this deer for the life of me and it was about dusk. Luckily I had my dad spotting w binos cause the sun kept getting in the scope glass, I would see the deer for a split second then he would dip into the trees.
I finally got a good look at him and took the shot which i had very low confidence in due to the conditions, my weird ass sitting position, and time I spent lining up the shot. He was facing me head on and lifted up his head so I got him in the base of neck.
Sorry if this is too much, I used to HATE hunting but after spending years managing this land and bringing up a healthy population it feels good to eat meat you shot. My gf was complaining and I was like look you eat fast food daily, this deer died instantly and lived a good life. Those cows and chickens are living a way worse life
Nice! I hope you had some fresh medallions.
Not sure about your area, but it is possible it was snared legally.
I see it around here once in awhile, because we have licensed trappers mainly looking for beaver, mink etc. The indiginous folk even set snares for bears. So if that's a thing your way, that could explain a 3 legged deer.
I find it odd you hunt and your gf isnt cool with it. Does she eat deer? Just so odd, usually if the significant other hunts the other is ok with it, or they both hunt.
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She doesn't eat it nor does she complain but she's not into it.
This pandemic was so crazy at one point I had more meat than cash and was reading venison for weed!?
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shot a 3 legged deer last week, spike buck (horns were long and straight so it's usually a cull deer to shoot that you don't want to breed)
with a remington r700 bolt action chambered in .270
The poor deer was old and so thin since he was hobbling around, it's better to go out wuickly than of starvation or a pack of coyotes.
Weirdest shot of my life, he and another buck were in the brush about 100+ yards out and could smell me due to the win so they wouldn't come out of cover. He was with a healthy young buck that I wouldn't be a shooter.
I couldn't see this deer for the life of me and it was about dusk. Luckily I had my dad spotting w binos cause the sun kept getting in the scope glass, I would see the deer for a split second then he would dip into the trees.
I finally got a good look at him and took the shot which i had very low confidence in due to the conditions, my weird ass sitting position, and time I spent lining up the shot. He was facing me head on and lifted up his head so I got him in the base of neck.
Sorry if this is too much, I used to HATE hunting but after spending years managing this land and bringing up a healthy population it feels good to eat meat you shot. My gf was complaining and I was like look you eat fast food daily, this deer died instantly and lived a good life. Those cows and chickens are living a way worse life
damn man, i appreciate and respect this, and definitely sounds like a righteous kill and incredible shot...100+ yards is gnarly to us city-locked fools. as i get older, getting on some acres is the plan for sure, but for now, i'm lucky to have an indoor range that boasts a 50-yard rifle range.
funny thing is, i've been a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan for about 30 years--still, i've always had an inner longing to hunt...dare i say instinctual? although i figure that my first kill would absolutely crush me, and i'd want to sell all of my guns immediately after...i'm half joking i guess here. i'm confident if things really got crazy, and the luxury of being a vegetarian was a thing of the past, i could do what i need as far as hunting my own protein.
i love when vegetarians/vegans in total urban/suburban settings criticize hunting and hunters--the former being about the most unnatural and unsustainable model of living there is...
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I'm gonna be honest it is hard to do at first. Gets easier with time.
I just try and be as respectful as I can. Only take good/ethical shots.
But you will start shaking so bad your first time, buck fever.
I know this is dark but it makes me think about how crazy someone probably feels before pulling the trigger on a human. I don't think I could do it unless it was me vs them situation.
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not sure if any of the heads posting in this thread have seen this young lady's channel, but amongst other things it is "minority and lefty friendly" and although i'm yet to explore too deeply, a couple of friends have recommended it to me:
http://www.youtube.com/c/TacticoolGirlfriend/featured
here's one on "Dressing for the Range and Weather," and it's easy to see early on that she's doing her own thing apart from the mass of white, male wingnuts in the "gun community"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1MyKiKhjRo
i'm looking forward to exploring more of her videos when i have time...
edit: here's an interview the InRange guy did with her recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHO1Zi7bkD0&t=88s
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tacticoolGF is alright, but I'm not wicked into her. A trans woman hosting a gun channel is definitely leaps and bounds away from the majoritarian right wing gun programs on youtube. She's definitely not MTG/Boebert/Palin.
My association with TGF is however tied with Socialist Rifle Association and online leftish gun talk via reddit, which after a while, I find incredibly tiresome, useless, and full of tacticool larping. Nonetheless, she's a new voice that might bring hope to others who can't find it.
i appreciate the info--as i said above, i don't know too much about her and have not had a chance to explore much, but plan to.
i know it's a bit predictable for someone my age to say it, but i do not mess with social media of any kind, and other than Slap, i don't frequent any forums such as reddit, and what you say above seems to confirm the soundness of this policy...although i'm sure i have lots in common with many people in the Socialist Rifle Association, i still could never imagine joining...
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Go hunting. Be a part of the food chain. Live.
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Well, this thread just came to its inevitable conclusion.
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Rick_kane, fuckin come on now. You know damn well your just looking for responses posting that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGvfBxHNN_8
by the way, fuck House Resolution 127 (HR 127, that's Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas' mess) and all of the other recent "gun control" bills that have been introduced, and all of the privileged hypocrites who plague what passes for "the left" in this country, for trying to disarm the poor and working masses of this country.
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Go hunting. Be a part of the food chain. Live.
Does antifa count? I live in a city far from nature.
this fucking guy...
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my biggest reservation to gun control is how a racist country would enforce it. theoretically, yes it would be a nice dandy world if everybody put the guns down and sang kumbaya but thats not gonna happen. with major gun control legislation comes the reality that it will only control the poor, the working class, the people of color. im a pro-gun commie i guess. i think everybody should know how to at least shoot a gun. its a difficult issue tho and i dont really talk about it this much so it doesnt make a lot of sense but im bored and this is slap so whatever.
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also Rick Kane go fuck yourself
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What a fuckin goober Rick is. Dingleberries like him give normal owners a bad rep. I have some for home protection/target shooting. Growing up in the Midwest they've been around me my whole life with all the hunting that goes on.
Ammo is scarce everywhere it seems. .357 is about $50 a box where I can find it which is nuts. .556 is even worse. Won't be heading to the range anytime soon forsure lol
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Fuckin hell. Even I know Rick is just trolling you idiots.
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i just took delivery of this Mossberg 590 A1 (12 gauge) from my friendly local FFL that handled the transfer. i purchased this lovely brute on GunBroker, from a retired engineer who customizes new Mossbergs as a hobby. he installed all of the Magpul furniture and NDZ custom stuff (cerakote tactical safety and orange hardcoat anodized stop), and i added the Surefire light.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y3sCsxeztT0/YPm2szAd9sI/AAAAAAAACis/sbe7P96jmCQzQDd_FiQ6qlQbA6q-VQ_FgCPcBGAsYHg/w640-h480/IMG_20210722_133100.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jN19zAbwMSs/YPm2s4QLwvI/AAAAAAAACis/jKO0zO5BziAgT1jKowQ8gjtOaQ2_L2b0QCPcBGAsYHg/w640-h480/IMG_20210722_133045.jpg)
if you haven't messed with GunBroker.com, i highly recommend exploring, it's easy to get lost in there, but the auction prices do get crazy for some things these days, depending on what you're going after...
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i just took delivery of this Mossberg 590 A1 (12 gauge) from my friendly local FFL that handled the transfer. i purchased this lovely brute on GunBroker, from a retired engineer who customizes new Mossbergs as a hobby. he installed all of the Magpul furniture and NDZ custom stuff (cerakote tactical safety and orange hardcoat anodized stop), and i added the Surefire light.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y3sCsxeztT0/YPm2szAd9sI/AAAAAAAACis/sbe7P96jmCQzQDd_FiQ6qlQbA6q-VQ_FgCPcBGAsYHg/w640-h480/IMG_20210722_133100.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jN19zAbwMSs/YPm2s4QLwvI/AAAAAAAACis/jKO0zO5BziAgT1jKowQ8gjtOaQ2_L2b0QCPcBGAsYHg/w640-h480/IMG_20210722_133045.jpg)
if you haven't messed with GunBroker.com, i highly recommend exploring, it's easy to get lost in there, but the auction prices do get crazy for some things these days, depending on what you're going after...
That is a beauty! I have managed to stay away from Gunbroker but that's for giving me the shove I "needed" 😩
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i just took delivery of this Mossberg 590 A1 (12 gauge) from my friendly local FFL that handled the transfer. i purchased this lovely brute on GunBroker, from a retired engineer who customizes new Mossbergs as a hobby. he installed all of the Magpul furniture and NDZ custom stuff (cerakote tactical safety and orange hardcoat anodized stop), and i added the Surefire light.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y3sCsxeztT0/YPm2szAd9sI/AAAAAAAACis/sbe7P96jmCQzQDd_FiQ6qlQbA6q-VQ_FgCPcBGAsYHg/w640-h480/IMG_20210722_133100.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jN19zAbwMSs/YPm2s4QLwvI/AAAAAAAACis/jKO0zO5BziAgT1jKowQ8gjtOaQ2_L2b0QCPcBGAsYHg/w640-h480/IMG_20210722_133045.jpg)
if you haven't messed with GunBroker.com, i highly recommend exploring, it's easy to get lost in there, but the auction prices do get crazy for some things these days, depending on what you're going after...
That's a brutal looking piece
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Man, PPT/gunbroker deals are stupid taxed where I live. Can't find an FFL to do a transfer for less than a hundred bucks, plus w California DROS and taxes, its just not worth it to me.
I went in the gun store a couple days ago because I want a ruger takedown 10/22 with wood furniture. They didn't have one, but the glocks were plentiful compared to the past year and under $600. 9mm and 556 were nowhere to be seen but 500rd 223 buckets were available for 50cpr. Plenty of slugs and buckshot again for pre pandemic prices as well. Larue had a decent sale.going on with their completed AR uppers recently. I've constantly read/heard only + about the quality of their work. Time isn't right yet. No point in buying something for which ammo is gonna run me an arm and a leg. Another 9 or 22, I've got that shit for days, but the 556/223 platform isn't there yet.
one of my oldest friends just bought a house in AZ after living in CA for about 20 years at least partly for some of the bullshit you allude to here. it actually seems like most GunBroker sellers say that they won't ship to CA outright.
things do seem to be stabilizing in some cases regarding availability, although prices do have some catching up to do. i know i mentioned 1000-round loose packs of 115 grain CCI fmj in another thread, that friends and i have been going in on together for about 55 cents a round. i know that's crazy compared to pre-pandemic prices, but that still didn't seem bad these days. i recently found a far better deal from a place called WeaponsPro, who generally have pretty fair prices. it looks like they're out of those 1000-round loose packs, but here's CCI Blazer brass in 9 mm for around 40 cents a round:
https://www.weaponspro.com/catalog/ammo/handgun?brand_id=158&caliber_id=99&page=1
by the way, speaking about CA and the old friend i mention above, i've been ordering plenty of ammo from LAX Ammo, throughout the past year or so, and my friend was laughing about how much easier it is for me to get lots of ammo from them, back here around Detroit, than him, who lives minutes from their flagship store...
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Man, PPT/gunbroker deals are stupid taxed where I live. Can't find an FFL to do a transfer for less than a hundred bucks, plus w California DROS and taxes, its just not worth it to me.
I went in the gun store a couple days ago because I want a ruger takedown 10/22 with wood furniture. They didn't have one, but the glocks were plentiful compared to the past year and under $600. 9mm and 556 were nowhere to be seen but 500rd 223 buckets were available for 50cpr. Plenty of slugs and buckshot again for pre pandemic prices as well. Larue had a decent sale.going on with their completed AR uppers recently. I've constantly read/heard only + about the quality of their work. Time isn't right yet. No point in buying something for which ammo is gonna run me an arm and a leg. Another 9 or 22, I've got that shit for days, but the 556/223 platform isn't there yet.
one of my oldest friends just bought a house in AZ after living in CA for about 20 years at least partly for some of the bullshit you allude to here. it actually seems like most GunBroker sellers say that they won't ship to CA outright.
things do seem to be stabilizing in some cases regarding availability, although prices do have some catching up to do. i know i mentioned 1000-round loose packs of 115 grain CCI fmj in another thread, that friends and i have been going in on together for about 55 cents a round. i know that's crazy compared to pre-pandemic prices, but that still didn't seem bad these days. i recently found a far better deal from a place called WeaponsPro, who generally have pretty fair prices. it looks like they're out of those 1000-round loose packs, but here's CCI Blazer brass in 9 mm for around 40 cents a round:
https://www.weaponspro.com/catalog/ammo/handgun?brand_id=158&caliber_id=99&page=1
by the way, speaking about CA and the old friend i mention above, i've been ordering plenty of ammo from LAX Ammo, throughout the past year or so, and my friend was laughing about how much easier it is for me to get lots of ammo from them, back here around Detroit, than him, who lives minutes from their flagship store...
I still haven't gotten a gun because of these reasons. Most expensive hobby in CA
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hey all you heads in southern CA, LAX currently has 500 rounds of their factory 9mm fmj (115 grain) in stock for about .38 a round, and it comes in a solid ammo can:
https://www.laxammo.com/lax-factory-new/handgun-new/9-mm-new/lax-ammunition-factory-new-9-mm-115-gr-500-rds-w-free-ammo-can-detail
i've shot plenty of this stuff, and it's good ammo
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hey all you heads in southern CA, LAX currently has 500 rounds of their factory 9mm fmj (115 grain) in stock for about .38 a round, and it comes in a solid ammo can:
https://www.laxammo.com/lax-factory-new/handgun-new/9-mm-new/lax-ammunition-factory-new-9-mm-115-gr-500-rds-w-free-ammo-can-detail
i've shot plenty of this stuff, and it's good ammo
That is a really good price, good looking out!
What do you think is the pistol/revolver and rifle combo that use the same ammo?
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hey all you heads in southern CA, LAX currently has 500 rounds of their factory 9mm fmj (115 grain) in stock for about .38 a round, and it comes in a solid ammo can:
https://www.laxammo.com/lax-factory-new/handgun-new/9-mm-new/lax-ammunition-factory-new-9-mm-115-gr-500-rds-w-free-ammo-can-detail
i've shot plenty of this stuff, and it's good ammo
That is a really good price, good looking out!
What do you think is the pistol/revolver and rifle combo that use the same ammo?
hey Pug, you know brother, if i'm understanding your question, that is an enormous question to answer.
me personally, in 9mm i have Glock, 26, 17, and 45.
i don't have a rifle in 9mm, but i have what one would call a "pistol caliber carbine" in 9 mm, and that is the Palmetto State Armory AKV in 9mm. there's a link to Garand Thumb's review earlier in this thread i think, but just in case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
it's fussy about anything other than fmj though. but shit, if you have the money, it's hard to beat the HKs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG88dl6SQPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8HKWbb0XM
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hey all you heads in southern CA, LAX currently has 500 rounds of their factory 9mm fmj (115 grain) in stock for about .38 a round, and it comes in a solid ammo can:
https://www.laxammo.com/lax-factory-new/handgun-new/9-mm-new/lax-ammunition-factory-new-9-mm-115-gr-500-rds-w-free-ammo-can-detail
i've shot plenty of this stuff, and it's good ammo
That is a really good price, good looking out!
What do you think is the pistol/revolver and rifle combo that use the same ammo?
hey Pug, you know brother, if i'm understanding your question, that is an enormous question to answer.
me personally, in 9mm i have Glock, 26, 17, and 45.
i don't have a rifle in 9mm, but i have what one would call a "pistol caliber carbine" in 9 mm, and that is the Palmetto State Armory AKV in 9mm. there's a link to Garand Thumb's review earlier in this thread i think, but just in case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
it's fussy about anything other than fmj though. but shit, if you have the money, it's hard to beat the HKs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG88dl6SQPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8HKWbb0XM
Those look so fun... I'll have to wait until the courts rule on CA's large capacity magazine whathaveyou.
What actual chance do you think there is of the large capacity magazine becoming legal in CA?
Can't buy the ammo online, but there is a store fairly close to me, I'll go check them out soon.
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hey all you heads in southern CA, LAX currently has 500 rounds of their factory 9mm fmj (115 grain) in stock for about .38 a round, and it comes in a solid ammo can:
https://www.laxammo.com/lax-factory-new/handgun-new/9-mm-new/lax-ammunition-factory-new-9-mm-115-gr-500-rds-w-free-ammo-can-detail
i've shot plenty of this stuff, and it's good ammo
That is a really good price, good looking out!
What do you think is the pistol/revolver and rifle combo that use the same ammo?
hey Pug, you know brother, if i'm understanding your question, that is an enormous question to answer.
me personally, in 9mm i have Glock, 26, 17, and 45.
i don't have a rifle in 9mm, but i have what one would call a "pistol caliber carbine" in 9 mm, and that is the Palmetto State Armory AKV in 9mm. there's a link to Garand Thumb's review earlier in this thread i think, but just in case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
it's fussy about anything other than fmj though. but shit, if you have the money, it's hard to beat the HKs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG88dl6SQPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8HKWbb0XM
Those look so fun... I'll have to wait until the courts rule on CA's large capacity magazine whathaveyou.
What actual chance do you think there is of the large capacity magazine becoming legal in CA?
Can't buy the ammo online, but there is a store fairly close to me, I'll go check them out soon.
Very slim. I'd love to see stupid feature bans over turned here but i find it very unlikely that happens
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hey all you heads in southern CA, LAX currently has 500 rounds of their factory 9mm fmj (115 grain) in stock for about .38 a round, and it comes in a solid ammo can:
https://www.laxammo.com/lax-factory-new/handgun-new/9-mm-new/lax-ammunition-factory-new-9-mm-115-gr-500-rds-w-free-ammo-can-detail
i've shot plenty of this stuff, and it's good ammo
That is a really good price, good looking out!
What do you think is the pistol/revolver and rifle combo that use the same ammo?
hey Pug, you know brother, if i'm understanding your question, that is an enormous question to answer.
me personally, in 9mm i have Glock, 26, 17, and 45.
i don't have a rifle in 9mm, but i have what one would call a "pistol caliber carbine" in 9 mm, and that is the Palmetto State Armory AKV in 9mm. there's a link to Garand Thumb's review earlier in this thread i think, but just in case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOMwOvKJO-I
it's fussy about anything other than fmj though. but shit, if you have the money, it's hard to beat the HKs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG88dl6SQPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8HKWbb0XM
Those look so fun... I'll have to wait until the courts rule on CA's large capacity magazine whathaveyou.
What actual chance do you think there is of the large capacity magazine becoming legal in CA?
Can't buy the ammo online, but there is a store fairly close to me, I'll go check them out soon.
Very slim. I'd love to see stupid feature bans over turned here but i find it very unlikely that happens
Its all up in the air right now, imo. Supreme Court will most likely hear gun cases - if I'm not mistaken the courts have argued that banning folks under 21 from buying a handgun is a no-go.
As for features... If you bought your high cap mags "before" the ban, you're good to go. Regarding the foolish AR fins, I've seen some really, really, for what they are, neat ones that are simply a piece of kydex with 2 straps that wrap and button around the grip. Easy on, easy off, meets the requirement.
Really though, idk what its like it populated California. I can't imagine having to always go to a pay for the privilege range rather than on our gov land.
And about the 9mm carry over, that was my first thought and still, 22LR meets the pistol/wheel gun/long gun categories. And.its.cheapest 8)
Yeah unfortunately there is not a ton of gov land to shoot on here in San Diego. You gotta go east into the high Desert or the inland empire. You might be able to shoot on camp pendleton, but that requires getting a pass and dealing with the guards on base and a bunch of stuff. Other than that it's all private ranges in Oceanside or San Marcos
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it's interesting watching all of the legal shit unfold in CA for you all...i get why people are calling Judge Benitez the patron saint of the 2A out there. most people assume his latest ruling on the "assault weapon" ban was exactly to get that in front of the Supreme Court...
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it's interesting watching all of the legal shit unfold in CA for you all...i get why people are calling Judge Benitez the patron saint of the 2A out there. most people assume his latest ruling on the "assault weapon" ban was exactly to get that in front of the Supreme Court...
Yeah I'm curious to see how it will all unfold, but i also am loathe to cheer on these right wing judges, even if i do want a lot of the CA laws to be overturned
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it's interesting watching all of the legal shit unfold in CA for you all...i get why people are calling Judge Benitez the patron saint of the 2A out there. most people assume his latest ruling on the "assault weapon" ban was exactly to get that in front of the Supreme Court...
Yeah I'm curious to see how it will all unfold, but i also am loathe to cheer on these right wing judges, even if i do want a lot of the CA laws to be overturned
copy that Dale, absolutely. but, all of the privileged white hypocrites pushing this "gun control" mess are correspondingly pushing those of us on the left in the working class, into ally positions with some on the right--i swear, this is one reason why the shooting ranges i frequent are more diverse places than the university campuses where i teach.
did y'all hear about all of those public defenders in NY pushing for the supreme court to "to eviscerate gun regulations," specifically NY's absurdly racist and classist restrictions on concealed carrry?
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-gun-owners-court/
eh, y'all remember when Frantz Fanon said this?
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
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it's interesting watching all of the legal shit unfold in CA for you all...i get why people are calling Judge Benitez the patron saint of the 2A out there. most people assume his latest ruling on the "assault weapon" ban was exactly to get that in front of the Supreme Court...
Yeah I'm curious to see how it will all unfold, but i also am loathe to cheer on these right wing judges, even if i do want a lot of the CA laws to be overturned
copy that Dale, absolutely. but, all of the privileged white hypocrites pushing this "gun control" mess are correspondingly pushing those of us on the left in the working class, into ally positions with some on the right--i swear, this is one reason why the shooting ranges i frequent are more diverse places than the university campuses where i teach.
did y'all hear about all of those public defenders in NY pushing for the supreme court to "to eviscerate gun regulations," specifically NY's absurdly racist and classist restrictions on concealed carrry?
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-gun-owners-court/
eh, y'all remember when Frantz Fanon said this?
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
Oh i wholeheartedly agree. They are more than willing to grumble about the police because it looks bad, not because they have an actual critique of policing in this country and it's racist roots. They are happy to hide behind the cops who protect their comfortable life and want to force us to co opt their polite values.
I'm just obviously very wary of a crowd that likes to wear "Pinochet did nothing wrong" shirts at rallies even on a tactical alliance for one issue. They fantasize about turning their guns on us
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Actually just shot for the first time over the weekend. Enjoyed it quite a bit more than I expected, probably has something to do with 14 years of playing CoD...
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it's interesting watching all of the legal shit unfold in CA for you all...i get why people are calling Judge Benitez the patron saint of the 2A out there. most people assume his latest ruling on the "assault weapon" ban was exactly to get that in front of the Supreme Court...
Yeah I'm curious to see how it will all unfold, but i also am loathe to cheer on these right wing judges, even if i do want a lot of the CA laws to be overturned
copy that Dale, absolutely. but, all of the privileged white hypocrites pushing this "gun control" mess are correspondingly pushing those of us on the left in the working class, into ally positions with some on the right--i swear, this is one reason why the shooting ranges i frequent are more diverse places than the university campuses where i teach.
did y'all hear about all of those public defenders in NY pushing for the supreme court to "to eviscerate gun regulations," specifically NY's absurdly racist and classist restrictions on concealed carrry?
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-gun-owners-court/
eh, y'all remember when Frantz Fanon said this?
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
Oh i wholeheartedly agree. They are more than willing to grumble about the police because it looks bad, not because they have an actual critique of policing in this country and it's racist roots. They are happy to hide behind the cops who protect their comfortable life and want to force us to co opt their polite values.
I'm just obviously very wary of a crowd that likes to wear "Pinochet did nothing wrong" shirts at rallies even on a tactical alliance for one issue. They fantasize about turning their guns on us
funny that you mention the police, in this conversation about most of the privileged, gentrifying hypocrites i brought up above.
back here in--and around--Detroit, the city still wears the racism of the past on its sleeve...it is seemingly indelibly inscribed in the landscape. so, even after the past decade or so of forced and coerced dispersal of many of the city’s lifelong black residents (arguably to make way for all of the young white tech people a single billionaire wants to populate the city with), the city’s population is still nearly 80% black, and the vast majority of these poor and working people live in the approximately 132-square miles of neighborhoods of single-family homes, outside of “New Detroit” primarily in the center. this center downtown area is what you mostly here about in the news when you hear about Detroit being “reborn”--this center of the city is heavily policed and heavily monitored and more of an urban theme park than part of the sprawling neighborhoods.
i bring this up because, during all of the protests that were supposed to be about George Floyd, the crowds of protestors were mostly white in many cases, which lets one know that most of those people were not from the city, and even if they recently moved here, they lived downtown in “New Detroit.”
so the Detroit Free Press just published the results of a poll they contributed to, which clearly illustrates that many/most of these gentrifying white hypocrites taking selfies of themselves with their fists in the air and calling for "defunding" the police (who are also the kinds of privileged fucks calling for “gun control") are completely disconnected from the realities of actually having to live in the 132-square miles of the city outside of the urban theme park that is "New Detroit.” in other words, they are completely disconnected from the realities of having to live on the daily around the kinds of poor and desperate people who have been especially violent in the past year or so.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2021/07/25/detroit-police-reform-public-safety-defund-suffolk-poll/8085690002/
"By an overwhelming 9-1, they [actual lifelong city residents in the neighborhoods] would feel safer with more cops on the street, not fewer."
i know i recently said the same in the Leftists thread (i’m repeating myself, so it may be time to focus this account anyway), but these privileged white liberals are worse than useless, they are absolutely in the way of progress, and the above example is just one example that shows how--commanding conversations that they know little to nothing about, simply because of their privilege.
the way i see it, crime and poverty are the main things that separate us pro-2A people on the left, from the vast majority of NRA kinds of 2A people--those of us on the left, understand that any conversation about crime and violent crime is wrong and futile if poverty is not kept front and center in the conversation (remember when Gandhi said that “poverty is the worst form of violence”?). we want to keep these conversations about and efforts at countering the systemic poverty and necessity that keeps generating new criminals and criminalized youth going, but in the meantime--in the daily realities of defending oneself and one’s loved ones--we understand (often from firsthand experience unfortunately) the necessity of being armed. many/most of the NRA fucks simply dismiss criminals as “bad people” who get what they deserve, and that’s the main reason leftists like me will never join the NRA.
you know, Killer Mike really did say it the best here, regarding, right-leaning white gun-owners in the working class, versus privileged ass white liberals--"allies" versus “pretend friends" respectively
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q&t=129s
apologies for the length of the above, but bringing people's stances towards the police into this, made me think of the above poll, which was just published this week, and since i just finished teaching the lit class I was teaching this summer, i’m here with a strong cup of coffee lurking on SLAP this morning, so i had the time to say my peace...
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it's interesting watching all of the legal shit unfold in CA for you all...i get why people are calling Judge Benitez the patron saint of the 2A out there. most people assume his latest ruling on the "assault weapon" ban was exactly to get that in front of the Supreme Court...
Yeah I'm curious to see how it will all unfold, but i also am loathe to cheer on these right wing judges, even if i do want a lot of the CA laws to be overturned
copy that Dale, absolutely. but, all of the privileged white hypocrites pushing this "gun control" mess are correspondingly pushing those of us on the left in the working class, into ally positions with some on the right--i swear, this is one reason why the shooting ranges i frequent are more diverse places than the university campuses where i teach.
did y'all hear about all of those public defenders in NY pushing for the supreme court to "to eviscerate gun regulations," specifically NY's absurdly racist and classist restrictions on concealed carrry?
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-gun-owners-court/
eh, y'all remember when Frantz Fanon said this?
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
Oh i wholeheartedly agree. They are more than willing to grumble about the police because it looks bad, not because they have an actual critique of policing in this country and it's racist roots. They are happy to hide behind the cops who protect their comfortable life and want to force us to co opt their polite values.
I'm just obviously very wary of a crowd that likes to wear "Pinochet did nothing wrong" shirts at rallies even on a tactical alliance for one issue. They fantasize about turning their guns on us
funny that you mention the police, in this conversation about most of the privileged, gentrifying hypocrites i brought up above.
back here in--and around--Detroit, the city still wears the racism of the past on its sleeve...it is seemingly indelibly inscribed in the landscape. so, even after the past decade or so of forced and coerced dispersal of many of the city’s lifelong black residents (arguably to make way for all of the young white tech people a single billionaire wants to populate the city with), the city’s population is still nearly 80% black, and the vast majority of these poor and working people live in the approximately 132-square miles of neighborhoods of single-family homes, outside of “New Detroit” primarily in the center. this center downtown area is what you mostly here about in the news when you hear about Detroit being “reborn”--this center of the city is heavily policed and heavily monitored and more of an urban theme park than part of the sprawling neighborhoods.
i bring this up because, during all of the protests that were supposed to be about George Floyd, the crowds of protestors were mostly white in many cases, which lets one know that most of those people were not from the city, and even if they recently moved here, they lived downtown in “New Detroit.”
so the Detroit Free Press just published the results of a poll they contributed to, which clearly illustrates that many/most of these gentrifying white hypocrites taking selfies of themselves with their fists in the air and calling for "defunding" the police (who are also the kinds of privileged fucks calling for “gun control") are completely disconnected from the realities of actually having to live in the 132-square miles of the city outside of the urban theme park that is "New Detroit.” in other words, they are completely disconnected from the realities of having to live on the daily around the kinds of poor and desperate people who have been especially violent in the past year or so.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2021/07/25/detroit-police-reform-public-safety-defund-suffolk-poll/8085690002/
"By an overwhelming 9-1, they [actual lifelong city residents in the neighborhoods] would feel safer with more cops on the street, not fewer."
i know i recently said the same in the Leftists thread (i’m repeating myself, so it may be time to focus this account anyway), but these privileged white liberals are worse than useless, they are absolutely in the way of progress, and the above example is just one example that shows how--commanding conversations that they know little to nothing about, simply because of their privilege.
the way i see it, crime and poverty are the main things that separate us pro-2A people on the left, from the vast majority of NRA kinds of 2A people--those of us on the left, understand that any conversation about crime and violent crime is wrong and futile if poverty is not kept front and center in the conversation (remember when Gandhi said that “poverty is the worst form of violence”?). we want to keep these conversations about and efforts at countering the systemic poverty and necessity that keeps generating new criminals and criminalized youth going, but in the meantime--in the daily realities of defending oneself and one’s loved ones--we understand (often from firsthand experience unfortunately) the necessity of being armed. many/most of the NRA fucks simply dismiss criminals as “bad people” who get what they deserve, and that’s the main reason leftists like me will never join the NRA.
you know, Killer Mike really did say it the best here, regarding, right-leaning white gun-owners in the working class, versus privileged ass white liberals--"allies" versus “pretend friends" respectively
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q&t=129s
apologies for the length of the above, but bringing people's stances towards the police into this, made me think of the above poll, which was just published this week, and since i just finished teaching the lit class I was teaching this summer, i’m here with a strong cup of coffee lurking on SLAP this morning, so i had the time to say my peace...
Hell yes dude, whole heartedly agree. Don't focus though. I love hearing your point of view in the Leftist thread
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What's up comrades. Whitey here.
I was taking a quick break from my privileged life of hypocrisy, when I stumbled across this thread. I too am determined to shoot those who benefit from our racist and oppressive system.
While I'm keen to start killing without delay, I notice that many of your anti racist posts refer to the enemy as being 'white'. Do you think my race be held against me in the fight against racism?
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What's up comrades. Whitey here.
I was taking a quick break from my privileged life of hypocrisy, when I stumbled across this thread. I too am determined to shoot those who benefit from our racist and oppressive system.
While I'm keen to start killing without delay, I notice that many of your anti racist posts refer to the enemy as being 'white'. Do you think my race be held against me in the fight against racism?
i regret to have to inform you sir, but your Form 4473 has been denied due to signs of emotional instability and you will not be able to purchase a firearm at this time.
but since it does indeed look like you are feeling quite put upon and are--perhaps even--having a hard day, have a gnar.
kisses to you Love
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What's up comrades. Whitey here.
I was taking a quick break from my privileged life of hypocrisy, when I stumbled across this thread. I too am determined to shoot those who benefit from our racist and oppressive system.
While I'm keen to start killing without delay, I notice that many of your anti racist posts refer to the enemy as being 'white'. Do you think my race be held against me in the fight against racism?
"what? No I'm totally normal, please ignore my fbi hat and windbreaker. I'm a skater who wants to shoot guns just like the rest of you guys!"
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What's up comrades. Whitey here.
I was taking a quick break from my privileged life of hypocrisy, when I stumbled across this thread. I too am determined to shoot those who benefit from our racist and oppressive system.
While I'm keen to start killing without delay, I notice that many of your anti racist posts refer to the enemy as being 'white'. Do you think my race will be held against me in the fight against racism?
i regret to have to inform you sir, but your Form 4473 has been denied due to signs of emotional instability and you will still not be able to purchase a firearm at this time.
but since it does indeed look like you are still feeling quite put upon and are--perhaps even--having yet another hard day, have another gnar.
even more kisses to you Love
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anyone been putting shit down range lately? I have NOT. nor have I been to a gun store in months. Curious if everything is still outta stock and expensive?
I've got a week off soon and plan to do some camping and go pew pew pew
i'm still getting to the range about once a week, but in-door only...for now. i do have some resources now, and i am wholeheartedly looking for land here in Michigan, so hopefully i will be shooting at steel on my own property soon.
that being said SkateMore, brother, ammo is definitely moving towards stabilizing with regards to availability, but prices still have some catching up to do. i've been purchasing brass-cased 7.62 x 39 from PPU (Serbia) for a long time now, for all of the guns in my safe from the AK platform, and it's clean and dependable, and i recently found 9mm fmj PPU, 124 grain, for pre-pandemic prices, and it shoots as cleanly and dependably as the aforementioned rifle ammo....right here:
https://2awarehouse.com/ppu-prvi-partizan-9mm-124gr-fmj-new-brass-500-rounds/
i could do without the Ted Nugent merch on the home page, but this is a conscientious seller, although i'm not sure how they are with shipping to CA unfortunately
glad to hear you're going to be getting out and away from things for a week....sounds like a good time...
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im not sure the laws of shipping guns...
but if any slap pals want a gun cerakoted hit me up.
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im not sure the laws of shipping guns...
but if any slap pals want a gun cerakoted hit me up.
no kidding. you do this for work or a hobby?
both!
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anyone been putting shit down range lately? I have NOT. nor have I been to a gun store in months. Curious if everything is still outta stock and expensive?
I've got a week off soon and plan to do some camping and go pew pew pew
I got out with my kids last weekend. Great time! Ammo hasn't dropped much in price in my neck of the woods. 9mm and 223 are still pretty scarce as well. I'm not so worried about that though, I fortunately read the writing on the wall in time. Have fun when you go man!
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That price for 9mm seems pretty good.
I have a friend who bought a 9mm from a sports chain out of state, where it was registered and he had his background check and all that jazz. He moved to CA and was telling me that he is fine since it was purchased at a major retailer. Does my friend need to fill out some paperwork for CA?
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anyone been putting shit down range lately? I have NOT. nor have I been to a gun store in months. Curious if everything is still outta stock and expensive?
I've got a week off soon and plan to do some camping and go pew pew pew
I wanted to get some footage of me shooting shit in the hills for this little video I was working on, but the rain came and landslides and blah blah blah. next time
Now you have an excuse to get out again soon!
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@DaleSr
@Seventyfuhkinseven
@pugmaster
@lilboosie
i'll just go ahead and tag y'all here (is that the right verb?)...i really appreciate this thread, if for no other reason than it's such a rare thing to get to talk about guns with other "lefties." for what little it is worth, i already gave out all of the gnars i can.
boosie, duly noted, and thanks for the notice--the last cerakoted goodie i got was the "shell stop" on the Mossberg 590 A1 i shared earlier in the thread.
Seventy, that sounds iike one hell of a weekend and i really appreciate and respect you sharing with your kids and educating your kids in this regard--a gun is not a toy, and you always respect it, but just because it's not a toy, does not mean it can't be fun.
Skatemore, you out camping, shooting outdoors at that "iron skillet" sounds like nothing but good times...i'm jealous and happy for you man
since i mentioned purchasing it earlier in the thread, i figure i'd share a photo of the newest iteration of the Galil Ace "pistol" i purchased a while back....i've put about 700 rounds through it thus far, and it is indeed an unwavering and splendid little brute:
Galil Ace Pistol (chambered in 7.62 x 39)
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Midwest Industries Galil Ace Pistol-Length Handguard +
Surefire Offset Weapon Light Mount +
Surefire M300 Mini Scout Tactical Flashlight +
Aimpoint Micro T-2 Red Dot Reflex Sight =
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kPiTooA2IZc/YUX51WxbC4I/AAAAAAAACos/TyfKtWkTrGMPe7Dds7pk5T0y8qYTQHabwCPcBGAsYHg/s3264/IMG_20210725_093107.jpg)
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@Deputy Wendell I was taught at a young age, so I felt it was best to carry on the tradition. My two little guys (7 and 9) have a single shot .22 rifle that my Dad gave them before he passed. Of everything I own that foolish thing is so much fun. I though about leaving the rest of the guns in the pickup, and saved ammo! I think the three of us must have set a Maine state record for the greatest amount of rounds put through a single shot in one day. ;D That is an absolute beauty to add to your rack. Super jealous. I would like to do a pistol build this Winter, but I lack the skills and probably should be saving money anyways.. But We will see. Great thread.
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That galil is sick. I'm very in favor of guns and i really need to finally get on getting one but i also live in the state that makes it as hard and expensive as possible (other than new York)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Qg5thB8.jpg)
I had a local guy build me a "cheapie" last year. My buddy gave that low end red dot I tried to zero it in with a bore sight, we will see how that goes.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Qg5thB8.jpg)
I had a local guy build me a "cheapie" last year. My buddy gave that low end red dot I tried to zero it in with a bore sight, we will see how that goes.
that looks like a fun/formidable rig Seventy
i'm still learning about red dots and optics in general--there's so much to know. i have put Aimpoints on a couple of guns, and they do indeed seem to be worth the money, but i also put a Bushnell TRS-25 on one too, which was only about $150 on sale, and that fucker seems indestructible too.
edit: i meant to also say that i love the idea of you and your boys setting Maine's record for most rounds through a one-shot rifle in a day--especially since the rifle was a gift to them from your father...that's an incredible thing to be able to share with them and i'm sure your boys are going to grow up really appreciating the memories you all are creating...all feel good there.
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i dont have pics of guns at the moment. ill have to grab some from my friends. but this is a set of trucks i cerakoted.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZauYO1u.jpg)
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funny thing is, i've been a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan for about 30 years
the luxury of being a vegetarian
i love when vegetarians/vegans in total urban/suburban settings criticize hunting and hunters--the former being about the most unnatural and unsustainable model of living there is...
Dear mother of god, this in incredible.
A self-aware vegetarian/vegan person.
This is fucking WILD.
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funny thing is, i've been a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan for about 30 years
the luxury of being a vegetarian
i love when vegetarians/vegans in total urban/suburban settings criticize hunting and hunters--the former being about the most unnatural and unsustainable model of living there is...
A self-aware vegetarian/vegan person.
This is fucking WILD.
So we don't allow hunting. Deer over populates an area. There is not enough food for them to eat. They wither away and starve to death.
OR
A sustainable amount of deer are allowed to procreate. Instantly, they die by a hunter shooting them (bow or via gunfire). What is more ethical? What is more sustainable?
Surely a person can elect not to eat meat, but the "moral superiority" that is perceived to accompany veganism/vegetarianism is not supported. Lots of animals die farming fruits and vegetables. Which is what I think dude is saying.
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Do any of you conceal carry? If so, why? I’m allowed to outside of work, I just don’t want that responsibility or liability so I choose not to.
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Do any of you conceal carry? If so, why? I’m allowed to outside of work, I just don’t want that responsibility or liability so I choose not to.
I can but I don't feel the need to. I might reevaluate that if there was crime where I live. I do however keep a pistol around (in my pickup) after seeing people hit deer and they are suffering, and also other situations.
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funny thing is, i've been a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan for about 30 years
the luxury of being a vegetarian
i love when vegetarians/vegans in total urban/suburban settings criticize hunting and hunters--the former being about the most unnatural and unsustainable model of living there is...
A self-aware vegetarian/vegan person.
This is fucking WILD.
huh?
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Do any of you conceal carry? If so, why? I’m allowed to outside of work, I just don’t want that responsibility or liability so I choose not to.
yes, have for years--just renewed for another 5
why? beyond where, when, and what i've lived through in my 50 years, because i can.
based on what little i know about you through SLAP, you don't seem like the kind of person afraid of a little responsibility
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Do any of you conceal carry? If so, why? I’m allowed to outside of work, I just don’t want that responsibility or liability so I choose not to.
I used to, but rarely do anymore. In fact I can't remember the last time I had it on me. I actually got my carry permit FOR work. At the time I worked at a rather large pawnshop and we were free to open carry as a deterrent. I'm in Indiana and our carry permit doesn't distinguish between open or concealed carry, plus constitutional carry was just passed (which I'm not stoked on) so I think on January first my permit won't be worth the paper it's printed on. Basically that job sort of got me in to guns and I started carrying outside of work under the mantra of "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it", but my interest in doing so just sort of fizzled out. I do still like to go shoot at the range though.
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I actually have to renew my permit tomorrow but I’ve only carried once in the 10 years I’ve had one. It felt weird.
It’s more of a better to have and not need/stay legal on range trips for me.
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A lot more of you carry than I thought. I kind of feel like if you have a gun, I have a gun. I might start carrying though, shit is getting pretty bad here.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/10/21/one-dead-in-west-oakland-double-shooting/amp/
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^ I can not imagine that shit, and in broad daylight? I wouldn't leave the fucking house without carrying. Please stay safe man.
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you know, i'm not sure how many of the regulars in this thread dig this kind of stuff, but those dudes from the Forgotten Weapons and InRange Youtube channels always go to Europe and take part in this "Finnish Brutality" craziness, and this year's drills/challenges (whatever you want to call them) are especially fucked, so i figured i'd share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mDucV57Okw&list=WL&index=16&t=324s
this is from the Polenar Tactical recap of it all--the trench filled chest high with icy water is one of the seriously fucked drills (stage 2), and that fucking craziness with the kettle bell (stage 7) looks fucked as well.
i get it if this is less what people are feeling, but i've personally taken a lot from the modest training i've had thus far, and hope to do more....
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you know, i'm not sure how many of the regulars in this thread dig this kind of stuff, but those dudes from the Forgotten Weapons and InRange Youtube channels always go to Europe and take part in this "Finnish Brutality" craziness, and this year's drills/challenges (whatever you want to call them) are especially fucked, so i figured i'd share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mDucV57Okw&list=WL&index=16&t=324s
this is from the Polenar Tactical recap of it all--the trench filled chest high with icy water is one of the seriously fucked drills (stage 2), and that fucking craziness with the kettle bell (stage 7) looks fucked as well.
i get it if this is less what people are feeling, but i've personally taken a lot from the modest training i've had thus far, and hope to do more....
Shit is super cool, I'm just a big soft baby
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Only time I’ve shot a gun was in Korea. The shooting range was in a baseball stadium, where we went and watched a game afterwards and ate fried chicken and drank beer. It always sticks out to me as such an American experience, and makes me laugh since it took place thousands of miles away.
Shooting was kinda fun, and I’d try it again. I get the appeal. Was meant to go to Las Vegas a couple years ago but the trip got canceled due to weather. Was gonna hit up a gun range and try some bigger stuff out. I think shooting longer range stuff with a rifle would be what interests me most.
All that said, I’m glad where I live has gun regulation and people can’t open carry and whatnot. Maybe you have to grow up with that kind of culture, but I don’t think I could get used to it.
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I live on this weird little rural block, tucked away behind some culdesac type houses that were all built in the last 15 years. Behind the culdesac, where I'm living, it's like 4 or 5 blocks of homes on dirt and gravel roads until you get to timber company land. I like it over here. There's a lot of really poor white people living back here. No joke, like within 1/4 mile of $500k homes, there's people living in broken down tarpaper shacks and shit. I've got some meth head neighbors who split wood for a living and shit like that. Some dudes the street behind me are constantly feuding, one guy who is a crab fisherman and trying a small homestead thing is going ballistic on the people on either side of him, a family of meth and fentanyl/heroin sellers who also run a garage and saw mill in their respective yards. Crab dude was yelling a few weeks back "you stupid motherfuckers are the reason I'm calling drug task force and carry my 9 with one in the chamber while I'm walking around the yard." I'll occasionally hear some rounds popping off, probably just a 22 pistol most of the time. no big deal.
YESTERDAY, I was outside working on the van and after some shit in the neighborhood over the weekend, I'd been feeling the vibes were going to get weirder and wanted to keep my the Glock with me. Just lots more junkies milling about on different properties and people going kind of crazy. There was something in the air. Anyways, I'm under the van at about 2pm, cursing away because I can't get the fucking muffler and cat in the brackets and I hear a pop pop pop pop, four rounds going off the street perpendicular to my house. I'm no idiot, so I'm looking through the back of the van and see some tweaked out dude jamming down my street now and soon after this big burly dude and a big burly dog about 50 yards behind him. Sheriffs show up soon after and end up tasing the tweaked out dude.
Was out for my run this AM and found a couple unused hornaday HP 9mm on the ground.
wild Wild West here in Mack town
Time to gtfo there bud. Come back to the Northbeast.
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
Nice, thanks for sharing. This may be a stupid question but did you ever bring a gun with you on sessions or did you only carry in non-skate situations?
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There is a good chance I'm buying an AR-15 soon ish
And/or a Beretta M9
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
Nice, thanks for sharing. This may be a stupid question but did you ever bring a gun with you on sessions or did you only carry in non-skate situations?
It’s not a stupid question….
To be honest though… as a skater, I don’t think it’s very necessary to carry while I’m skating.
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
Nice, thanks for sharing. This may be a stupid question but did you ever bring a gun with you on sessions or did you only carry in non-skate situations?
It’s not a stupid question….
To be honest though… as a skater, I don’t think it’s very necessary to carry while I’m skating.
very aaron rogers answer right there
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
Nice, thanks for sharing. This may be a stupid question but did you ever bring a gun with you on sessions or did you only carry in non-skate situations?
It’s not a stupid question….
To be honest though… as a skater, I don’t think it’s very necessary to carry while I’m skating.
very aaron rogers answer right there
Who’s that? Lol.
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
Nice, thanks for sharing. This may be a stupid question but did you ever bring a gun with you on sessions or did you only carry in non-skate situations?
It’s not a stupid question….
To be honest though… as a skater, I don’t think it’s very necessary to carry while I’m skating.
That's true, your focus the board wolverine style melee weapon method seems effective enough.
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very aaron rogers answer right there
Who’s that? Lol.
laughed too hard at this haha
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no no, i do not own any firearms,
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I live on this weird little rural block, tucked away behind some culdesac type houses that were all built in the last 15 years. Behind the culdesac, where I'm living, it's like 4 or 5 blocks of homes on dirt and gravel roads until you get to timber company land. I like it over here. There's a lot of really poor white people living back here. No joke, like within 1/4 mile of $500k homes, there's people living in broken down tarpaper shacks and shit. I've got some meth head neighbors who split wood for a living and shit like that. Some dudes the street behind me are constantly feuding, one guy who is a crab fisherman and trying a small homestead thing is going ballistic on the people on either side of him, a family of meth and fentanyl/heroin sellers who also run a garage and saw mill in their respective yards. Crab dude was yelling a few weeks back "you stupid motherfuckers are the reason I'm calling drug task force and carry my 9 with one in the chamber while I'm walking around the yard." I'll occasionally hear some rounds popping off, probably just a 22 pistol most of the time. no big deal.
YESTERDAY, I was outside working on the van and after some shit in the neighborhood over the weekend, I'd been feeling the vibes were going to get weirder and wanted to keep my the Glock with me. Just lots more junkies milling about on different properties and people going kind of crazy. There was something in the air. Anyways, I'm under the van at about 2pm, cursing away because I can't get the fucking muffler and cat in the brackets and I hear a pop pop pop pop, four rounds going off the street perpendicular to my house. I'm no idiot, so I'm looking through the back of the van and see some tweaked out dude jamming down my street now and soon after this big burly dude and a big burly dog about 50 yards behind him. Sheriffs show up soon after and end up tasing the tweaked out dude.
Was out for my run this AM and found a couple unused hornaday HP 9mm on the ground.
wild Wild West here in Mack town
@IusedToSkateMore...brother...i've gathered over the months/years in here, that where you live in CA is cheap and has some excellent benefits--easy access to land being one--but it definitely sounds like if you have the resources to do so, it's time to get the fuck out of dodge. that's part of being a responsible gun owner, right? situational awareness--knowing when to remove yourself from circumstances that have the potential to escalate. again, if you have the time and resources to do so, which can be a luxury people do not have. always hoping the best for you either way brother.
I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
thanks for sharing this @DGKALIS. as i mention a ways back in this thread, i'm in the Detroit area, have some resources to work with and i am currently looking for land to--amongst other things--shoot on, and i was wondering if you have any advice/suggestions? i'm checking Landwatch pretty regularly and all, but it is an intimidating thing to invest money in. right now, i'm doing searches for anything from 20 to 50 acres. there's lot of tracts in the UP, but that's too far. you mention having enough space to shoot at 300 yards, and that sounds great, and i'd be curious about things like how many acres you have, who/what are your neighbors, liability, etc. share what you feel comfortable with, but shit man, any info would help...
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I live on this weird little rural block, tucked away behind some culdesac type houses that were all built in the last 15 years. Behind the culdesac, where I'm living, it's like 4 or 5 blocks of homes on dirt and gravel roads until you get to timber company land. I like it over here. There's a lot of really poor white people living back here. No joke, like within 1/4 mile of $500k homes, there's people living in broken down tarpaper shacks and shit. I've got some meth head neighbors who split wood for a living and shit like that. Some dudes the street behind me are constantly feuding, one guy who is a crab fisherman and trying a small homestead thing is going ballistic on the people on either side of him, a family of meth and fentanyl/heroin sellers who also run a garage and saw mill in their respective yards. Crab dude was yelling a few weeks back "you stupid motherfuckers are the reason I'm calling drug task force and carry my 9 with one in the chamber while I'm walking around the yard." I'll occasionally hear some rounds popping off, probably just a 22 pistol most of the time. no big deal.
YESTERDAY, I was outside working on the van and after some shit in the neighborhood over the weekend, I'd been feeling the vibes were going to get weirder and wanted to keep my the Glock with me. Just lots more junkies milling about on different properties and people going kind of crazy. There was something in the air. Anyways, I'm under the van at about 2pm, cursing away because I can't get the fucking muffler and cat in the brackets and I hear a pop pop pop pop, four rounds going off the street perpendicular to my house. I'm no idiot, so I'm looking through the back of the van and see some tweaked out dude jamming down my street now and soon after this big burly dude and a big burly dog about 50 yards behind him. Sheriffs show up soon after and end up tasing the tweaked out dude.
Was out for my run this AM and found a couple unused hornaday HP 9mm on the ground.
wild Wild West here in Mack town
@IusedToSkateMore...brother...i've gathered over the months/years in here, that where you live in CA is cheap and has some excellent benefits--easy access to land being one--but it definitely sounds like if you have the resources to do so, it's time to get the fuck out of dodge. that's part of being a responsible gun owner, right? situational awareness--knowing when to remove yourself from circumstances that have the potential to escalate. again, if you have the time and resources to do so, which can be a luxury people do not have. always hoping the best for you either way brother.
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
thanks for sharing this @DGKALIS. as i mention a ways back in this thread, i'm in the Detroit area, have some resources to work with and i am currently looking for land to--amongst other things--shoot on, and i was wondering if you have any advice/suggestions? i'm checking Landwatch pretty regularly and all, but it is an intimidating thing to invest money in. right now, i'm doing searches for anything from 20 to 50 acres. there's lot of tracts in the UP, but that's too far. you mention having enough space to shoot at 300 yards, and that sounds great, and i'd be curious about things like how many acres you have, who/what are your neighbors, liability, etc. share what you feel comfortable with, but shit man, any info would help...
Yeah.. the UP is just too far. Not to mention if the bridge is closed for whatever reason.. its a no go. When i was looking for land, i got lucky stumbling across this piece of 80 acres inside the National forest less than an hr from my house. The property owners next to me are the same. Camping, shooting, hunting, ect. The other neighbor is literally thousands of National Forest. I built a off grid shipping container cabin, solar powered. Wood stove.. its super rad. The kids have a blast. I put a well on the property i run a small generator to power it. Its hard to not be there everyday. Tons of forest roads for SXS, dirt bikes, hiking, whatever.
I have been in the cities for so long its nice to escape and learn how to be apart of the land. Also nice to share with my kids. Its all my wifes fault. She's loves nature and camping. I was never into until recently.
Depending how far you want to travel for your spot.. and depending what your budget is.. there are some deals out there. I see good stuff in Kalkaska County, Newago County, Cadillac, White Cloud.... Basically anywhere attached to one of the forests. Just make sure it isnt land locked and there are snowmobile trails/ Forest Roads.. so as long as you have plates on the car or truck.. you are allowed to drive on them. .
way more options West and North of Lansing. There is some nice stuff North of you for sale... but its twice as expensive as the stuff on the west side of the state.
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I live on this weird little rural block, tucked away behind some culdesac type houses that were all built in the last 15 years. Behind the culdesac, where I'm living, it's like 4 or 5 blocks of homes on dirt and gravel roads until you get to timber company land. I like it over here. There's a lot of really poor white people living back here. No joke, like within 1/4 mile of $500k homes, there's people living in broken down tarpaper shacks and shit. I've got some meth head neighbors who split wood for a living and shit like that. Some dudes the street behind me are constantly feuding, one guy who is a crab fisherman and trying a small homestead thing is going ballistic on the people on either side of him, a family of meth and fentanyl/heroin sellers who also run a garage and saw mill in their respective yards. Crab dude was yelling a few weeks back "you stupid motherfuckers are the reason I'm calling drug task force and carry my 9 with one in the chamber while I'm walking around the yard." I'll occasionally hear some rounds popping off, probably just a 22 pistol most of the time. no big deal.
YESTERDAY, I was outside working on the van and after some shit in the neighborhood over the weekend, I'd been feeling the vibes were going to get weirder and wanted to keep my the Glock with me. Just lots more junkies milling about on different properties and people going kind of crazy. There was something in the air. Anyways, I'm under the van at about 2pm, cursing away because I can't get the fucking muffler and cat in the brackets and I hear a pop pop pop pop, four rounds going off the street perpendicular to my house. I'm no idiot, so I'm looking through the back of the van and see some tweaked out dude jamming down my street now and soon after this big burly dude and a big burly dog about 50 yards behind him. Sheriffs show up soon after and end up tasing the tweaked out dude.
Was out for my run this AM and found a couple unused hornaday HP 9mm on the ground.
wild Wild West here in Mack town
@IusedToSkateMore...brother...i've gathered over the months/years in here, that where you live in CA is cheap and has some excellent benefits--easy access to land being one--but it definitely sounds like if you have the resources to do so, it's time to get the fuck out of dodge. that's part of being a responsible gun owner, right? situational awareness--knowing when to remove yourself from circumstances that have the potential to escalate. again, if you have the time and resources to do so, which can be a luxury people do not have. always hoping the best for you either way brother.
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I used to carry guns back in the day for all the wrong reasons. I stopped for years and learned how to deal with certain things without a gun. Mentally deal with them anyway.
Years later i decided to tap back in.. but this time in a more mature state of mind. So i went and got my CPL(Michigan conceal) and put a range on my camping/bug out/wild out chunk of land i have out here.
I traded my car hobby for the firearms hobby. I shoot a ton. AK's, AR's, Shotguns, Lever guns, sniper rifles, pistols, suppressed, un-surppressed, both eyes open, one eye closed, reticles, red dots, 1x,2x,3x,1-8x, stocks, braces, short barrel, long barrel.... lol. All of it.
My range has multiple targets with a current extended range at 300 yards. We bet on who can hit the gong at 150 yards with a M&P Shield. Shit like that.
It was a bummer when ammo got expensive last year... so we quit doing all the ninja stuff and started long range iron site shots. Its almost as much fun doing that then it is running around dumping rounds.
Anyway.. thought i'd share.
thanks for sharing this @DGKALIS. as i mention a ways back in this thread, i'm in the Detroit area, have some resources to work with and i am currently looking for land to--amongst other things--shoot on, and i was wondering if you have any advice/suggestions? i'm checking Landwatch pretty regularly and all, but it is an intimidating thing to invest money in. right now, i'm doing searches for anything from 20 to 50 acres. there's lot of tracts in the UP, but that's too far. you mention having enough space to shoot at 300 yards, and that sounds great, and i'd be curious about things like how many acres you have, who/what are your neighbors, liability, etc. share what you feel comfortable with, but shit man, any info would help...
Yeah.. the UP is just too far. Not to mention if the bridge is closed for whatever reason.. its a no go. When i was looking for land, i got lucky stumbling across this piece of 80 acres inside the National forest less than an hr from my house. The property owners next to me are the same. Camping, shooting, hunting, ect. The other neighbor is literally thousands of National Forest. I built a off grid shipping container cabin, solar powered. Wood stove.. its super rad. The kids have a blast. I put a well on the property i run a small generator to power it. Its hard to not be there everyday. Tons of forest roads for SXS, dirt bikes, hiking, whatever.
I have been in the cities for so long its nice to escape and learn how to be apart of the land. Also nice to share with my kids. Its all my wifes fault. She's loves nature and camping. I was never into until recently.
Depending how far you want to travel for your spot.. and depending what your budget is.. there are some deals out there. I see good stuff in Kalkaska County, Newago County, Cadillac, White Cloud.... Basically anywhere attached to one of the forests. Just make sure it isnt land locked and there are snowmobile trails/ Forest Roads.. so as long as you have plates on the car or truck.. you are allowed to drive on them. .
way more options West and North of Lansing. There is some nice stuff North of you for sale... but its twice as expensive as the stuff on the west side of the state.
it sounds like you and yours have a smart, solid, and fun set up, and i'm much obliged for the info. i'm pretty new to this part of it as well, and also have been in the city--for good and ill--most of my life.
i'll keep my eye on those counties you mention....and yeah, north and west of Lansing does indeed seem to offer more reasonable opportunities, although it is farther from me. the way i look at it, the drive is part of the whole "getting away from shit" benefit, but i'm assuming will get old if i'm doing it every couple of weeks...
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There is a good chance I'm buying an AR-15 soon ish
And/or a Beretta M9
Can't go wrong with either one of those. I am lucky enough to own both and they are probably my most used. Have fun shopping man.
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i just came across this "giveaway" from Atlantic Firearms, which is where i bought my Arsenal SAM7SF from, and figured i'd share it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI5fnx6HBTE
here's the link to actually enter...it'd be funny if a pal actually won one of these Romanian kits
https://atlanticfirearms.com/giveaway
by the way, i dig that this thread is mostly about nerding out, and not too political, so i'm reluctant to share this, but still, here's an interesting article that echoes some of what's been said in this thread at points: "Democrats Should Ditch the Anti-Gun Rhetoric If They Want to Survive 2022"
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/11/16/democrats-gun-owners-522562
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I whole heartedly agree. It is a losing issue for metropolitan elites who don't think about security because they live in a city with police. It is extremely hypocritical and exposes the class divide between people who have a secure and sheltered existence bolstered by the fact that they don't even think about who has a monopoly on the means to create violence and the rest of us who are poor and may live in a more chaotic environment and would appreciate the security of knowing you can defend yourself should the need arise. It also allows bad actors to point out the obvious hypocrisy of sheltered professional middle class people only affecting a progressive pose while they live in high rise buildings or gates suburbs where the violence that police enact on poor people is just a thing they can wag their finger at while benefiting from that militarized police force's security. It makes people question why they deserve to be guarded by professionals with ARs, but none of us filthy serfs can even touch one
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There is a good chance I'm buying an AR-15 soon ish
And/or a Beretta M9
I had a Beretta but sold to my brother before I moved in 2008, but my wife is suddenly cool with guns being around again (she was definitely a "dun wun gunz around tha house wif a child") , so I told her that these are the 2. Big fan of both!
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There is a good chance I'm buying an AR-15 soon ish
And/or a Beretta M9
I had a Beretta but sold to my brother before I moved in 2008, but my wife is suddenly cool with guns being around again (she was definitely a "dun wun gunz around tha house wif a child") , so I told her that these are the 2. Big fan of both!
Well then get it while the gettings good! ;D You never know maybe now it could become something you all do together. Pretty good fun factor with both of those models, so target shooting could be a great time.
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My company take a few customers to a shooting range to shoot AR-15's. EASILY the best thing that happens at my job.
AR-15's, then food, then the bar
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My company take a few customers to a shooting range to shoot AR-15's. EASILY the best thing that happens at my job.
AR-15's, then food, then the bar
Are they hiring? :)
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My company take a few customers to a shooting range to shoot AR-15's. EASILY the best thing that happens at my job.
AR-15's, then food, then the bar
this sounds splendid.
boomer, i'm glad to hear that you're thinking about investing--funny enough, i'm so orthodox about the AK platform, that i not only know little to nothing about the AR platform, but i actually just shot an AR for the first time in the past few months.
i don't know what you're considering spending, or how deeply you're planning on researching--buying a complete or putting it together piece by piece--but as i've been researching on my own to figure out where to start myself with the AR platform, the fine people at Forgotten Weapons and InRange did this whole "What Would Stoner Do 2020" project, that is basically thinking about what Eugene Stoner would design with today's technologies and materials--Stoner is the main mind behind the ArmaLite AR-15. Here is the intro to the series and project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI5NPiicXjE
but there are a whole series of following videos on all of the individual components, including the lower that they had built just for it--really fascinating stuff.
also, Brownell's is partnered with them on it, and they actually have complete WWSD2020s in stock right now:
https://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/ar-15-kp-15-what-would-stoner-do-2020-rifle-prod132663.aspx
fuckers are expensive, but after watching through some of the videos, and understanding the reasoning and logic behind the decisions, it's hard to doubt what they designed. by the way, if there is one Youtube channel to seriously nerd out on, i would say it is Forgotten Weapons...
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I’m going to pick up a sig p229 as soon as my travel reimbursement hits. I carry one at work. Really like it. Metal. Don’t know which one, but it’s not going to be the nitron since that’s the work piece and don’t want to get them mixed up.
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for all the PALs considering a fine pistol option, look no further...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEA-YufBtEs
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for all the PALs considering a fine pistol option, look no further...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEA-YufBtEs
About as reliable as the older hi-tek's but with a fun factor when it doesn't ftf.
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for all the PALs considering a fine pistol option, look no further...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEA-YufBtEs
you really do have to wonder what motherfuckers were thinking
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Still researching which AR will be my jam. Having just spent a bunch on my son for X-Mas, could be a little bit. But I imagine I will go mid to high end. My bosses son is heavily into guns and we are probably going to the range/ shop soon to research. Definitely going to use the Glock 19, fun little guy!
As for taking customers to the range, so many of them brought their own guns and were sharpshooters on those targets, it was pretty awesome. We haven't done it this year, but we did last year (surprisingly) and the year before. Best 2 days of working here easily.
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seriously, you couldn't pay me to live in CA again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCukuh3_ZQ
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My wife used to work for the SO in Santa Clara, admin, but her unit was on Smith’s floor. She removed the microwave from the break room because she couldn’t be bothered to smell her employee’s food. That’s all I know about her.
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My wife used to work for the SO in Santa Clara, admin, but her unit was on Smith’s floor. She removed the microwave from the break room because she couldn’t be bothered to smell her employee’s food. That’s all I know about her.
that sounds about right
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I enjoy shooting. Thank you, man, for creating this thread. It's been a while since I couldn't talk on this subject because of the pandemic. @Augustmoon said above that he wanted to start a thread like this but was afraid of flak and refrained; I don't get why. I think It's OK to share your point of view on every subject. I enjoy going in the woods and shooting targets with my Sig Sauer 1911 my father bought me on my last birthday. Moreover, I found here ballachy.com (https://ballachy.com/best-barrel-length-for-6-5-creedmoor/) some engaging reviews about many guns, barrels, munitions and equipment. You could take a look if you're looking for some specific information.
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Excuse the length of this but I want to make sure it’s clear where I’m coming from. This thread has been more for sport and hunting but any info or opinions would be appreciated, so decided I’d post and see what I get back. Yet another bad situation has happened where someone I care about could have been hurt. I don’t want to detour this thread in a serious direction no one wants but hopefully it’s understandable.
I never thought I would be asking about guns for any reason. I didn’t want to think the area I moved to was truly dangerous but it’s become impossible to ignore. We will move in the future but can’t do so right now, and I’m done feeling like a victim waiting to happen. Even after I came to the conclusion that I needed to seriously consider one to help protect myself and my family, I didn’t want to do so until I was sure I was mentally ready; not acting from an emotional place but a logical one where I am able to do what I need to. I believe I am at that place.
I always wanted to think I could defend myself in the moment if necessary, but it has gotten to the point that’s not enough and I need to be confident.
I have never had to physically fight. I have defended other people when I happened upon a few bad situations over the course of my life, in hindsight I put myself in danger but it always ended up that shouting my head off and getting in the aggressor’s face was enough. I have a strong sense of values that I think overrode any fear I probably should have felt. I also recognize that being a woman may have helped in at least some of the situations because a lot of guys wouldn’t hit me for that reason.
Maybe that was enough in an average setting but not where I live now. People point (and often shoot) guns here like giving away candy. Often a gun held by someone competent is probably the only thing that will stop them if anything. I need to be mentally prepared to use it and able to use it effectively. I have started learning self defense and my hope is that both together will help me deal with whatever could come.
I’ve started researching but there’s so much info to sift through online that any direction will help me whether it is about kinds of handguns, learning to shoot guns, using them in defensive situations or any related topics. I would rather ask in a place like this than join some gun forum for reasons I probably don’t need to explain.
thanks
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I don’t know you or your situation, but think long and hard about the responsibility and liability that comes with it. It sounds like you’re scared, and that’s not the best headspace to be in.
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I don’t know you or your situation, but think long and hard about the responsibility and liability that comes with it. It sounds like you’re scared, and that’s not the best headspace to be in.
Your point is valid. The reason why I took the time to write out what I did is to exemplify that I’m not acting out of fear, but because I value my life and I respect the seriousness of the threat upon it and on those I love merely by living where we live. Without saying where that is, it is one of the cities with the highest crime in the U.S. and I’ve lived here for over a decade. It’s time for me to learn what I need to learn. Thanks.
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I don’t know you or your situation, but think long and hard about the responsibility and liability that comes with it. It sounds like you’re scared, and that’s not the best headspace to be in.
Your point is valid. The reason why I took the time to write out what I did is to exemplify that I’m not acting out of fear, but because I value my life and I respect the seriousness of the threat upon it and on those I love merely by living where we live. Without saying where that is, it is one of the cities with the highest crime in the U.S. and I’ve lived here for over a decade. It’s time for me to learn what I need to learn. Thanks.
Please research..inquire, and attend a local gun safety course before handling any firearm. I hope your situation gets better soon.
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I was going to wait until I moved into a green town to apply for my LTC here in MA, but since Maura Healey is running for governor and will probs be elected I'm gonna go ahead and apply for one where I'm renting. I'm not really opposed to the gun laws in place here but I know she will do anything she can to make the process more difficult.
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^^^ all of this.
@tacotime, where do you live? I’m assuming the bay since the only taco time I’ve ever seen was in Santa Rosa. I have guns. I’ve had extensive training, with my former and current professions, and I practice a lot. My guns are locked away. I sleep with a machete by my bed and a can of OC in my nightstand.
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I agree with what @IusedToSkateMore has put forth. Last line of defense. If you want some friendly instruction
https://youtu.be/N5jy_3uvp64
https://youtu.be/mL-ZzgwkuzE
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYqiOqBy2WM8rLUq5fvDWXih9cpGmd8zR
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i mentioned this newest rig in the "least stupidest thing you've bought" thread, because of the torque wrench i bought to mount the scope on this, but it's done--for now--and figured i'd share. had to save up a bit, because the most consistent wisdom i read while researching putting something like this together, is that one's scope should cost at least the same--if not more--than the rifle one is mounting it on. it's also crazy, considering what i spent, that this is really considered a moderately priced and humble entry point into HMR rifles and scopes:
Bergara B-14 HMR Bolt Action Rifle (chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor)
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Vortex Viper PST GEN II FFP Rifle Scope (2-10x32mm) +
Vortex Optics Precision Matched Rings (30mm - .87 in) +
EGW Short Action Picatinny Rail 0 MOA =
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhclx45n-y3H7njxOoyyna54D0P3f5sJcwHB3K8d4todIJm0EhqsH7IRSrptG5YP1MvCfz8iwUKsZIA62XIYatNJre2zGDhqg8GX-M3HnR90i-s1Nn15IaC5VANxLrHcaVP7ORL5Sa0wvZ7lyZfhMur_MA91_ZQPM1dJ1i4HFCF-xr4pDad8G6MqtzsQw=w640-h480)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhy4n-AdgDhBCaTSJxvjEXjAr7lgt_rffBQ1lHVv_n5K8GH2UrapCPhmLqMDA5wNrLq6QvAG2IecAnO1Rg8IzDMpXhLmL0kJcn4iXzYjbS6RdRq_d5_0tiXJLFM3-E7qTySdLGus210Wo6qqq4Dam0Rv8CoG-hb7TngaZtilcPDncTvMDzMXTlSd3gJbQ=w640-h480)
i know some heads in here have experience shooting beyond 50 yards, but this is the farthest i've ever shot. i'm excited for the spring and taking this out to an outdoor range about an hour north of Detroit here, which has a 100-yard range as well. i have also finally located an incredible 10 acre lot of land about an hour and a half north of here, that i hope to go look at with the realtor after this snow storm we're dealing with passes. the topography seems pretty perfect--a big patch of it is hilly, so perfect for setting up a range (or two), and shit, down the line (maybe even before i build something to live/stay in) pour some concrete, and fuck, who knows, might have to host the first PALS "Skate and Shoot"...one can dream, right?
i know one thing, i stocked up a bit on 6.5 Creedmoor, and that is one expensive, hard-to-find round right now. i actually had to go on to Gunbroker to find any. this will definitely be the round that compels me to invest in the equipment to start doing my own reloads.
i hope heads are getting out to the range and/or plinking a bit...
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i mentioned this newest rig in the "least stupidest thing you've bought" thread, because of the torque wrench i bought to mount the scope on this, but it's done--for now--and figured i'd share. had to save up a bit, because the most consistent wisdom i read while researching putting something like this together, is that one's scope should cost at least the same--if not more--than the rifle one is mounting it on. it's also crazy, considering what i spent, that this is really considered a moderately priced and humble entry point into HMR rifles and scopes:
Bergara B-14 HMR Bolt Action Rifle (chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor)
+
Vortex Viper PST GEN II FFP Rifle Scope (2-10x32mm) +
Vortex Optics Precision Matched Rings (30mm - .87 in) +
EGW Short Action Picatinny Rail 0 MOA =
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhclx45n-y3H7njxOoyyna54D0P3f5sJcwHB3K8d4todIJm0EhqsH7IRSrptG5YP1MvCfz8iwUKsZIA62XIYatNJre2zGDhqg8GX-M3HnR90i-s1Nn15IaC5VANxLrHcaVP7ORL5Sa0wvZ7lyZfhMur_MA91_ZQPM1dJ1i4HFCF-xr4pDad8G6MqtzsQw=w640-h480)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhy4n-AdgDhBCaTSJxvjEXjAr7lgt_rffBQ1lHVv_n5K8GH2UrapCPhmLqMDA5wNrLq6QvAG2IecAnO1Rg8IzDMpXhLmL0kJcn4iXzYjbS6RdRq_d5_0tiXJLFM3-E7qTySdLGus210Wo6qqq4Dam0Rv8CoG-hb7TngaZtilcPDncTvMDzMXTlSd3gJbQ=w640-h480)
i know some heads in here have experience shooting beyond 50 yards, but this is the farthest i've ever shot. i'm excited for the spring and taking this out to an outdoor range about an hour north of Detroit here, which has a 100-yard range as well. i have also finally located an incredible 10 acre lot of land about an hour and a half north of here, that i hope to go look at with the realtor after this snow storm we're dealing with passes. the topography seems pretty perfect--a big patch of it is hilly, so perfect for setting up a range (or two), and shit, down the line (maybe even before i build something to live/stay in) pour some concrete, and fuck, who knows, might have to host the first PALS "Skate and Shoot"...one can dream, right?
i know one thing, i stocked up a bit on 6.5 Creedmoor, and that is one expensive, hard-to-find round right now. i actually had to go on to Gunbroker to find any. this will definitely be the round that compels me to invest in the equipment to start doing my own reloads.
i hope heads are getting out to the range and/or plinking a bit...
Count me in for the first skate and shoot
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i'm nerding out on long-distance shooting as of late, and came across this incredible video and channel...
...shooting one mile, with a Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun, iron sights only
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPxloOlzmjA&t=400s
crazy how long it actually takes a round to travel that far...it's a trip to wait for the plink and/or dirt.
mind-blowing channel if you have the time to explore...
and cheers @DaleSr , you know you'll get the invite when that first Skate and Shoot goes down...
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Thank you to anyone who got back to me in this thread, especially the person who wrote me the long and thoughtful reply that doesn’t seem to be there anymore. I just saw the response I had written in return didn’t post somehow, I wasn’t around again until this week to realize that.
Not in the headspace right now to try to rewrite all of what I said but for sure agree it’s an absolute last resort. I wouldn’t even consider using a firearm outside of a training setting until I have gained extensive experience. I have since started firearms training along with the self-defense training (two different trainers, both are ex-military) and so far it’s going well. As I said I never thought I would do these things, but hope the latter will make it so the former isn’t needed if either ever is. I just know that what I don’t take the time to learn will never be an option.
thanks again
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As someone from the UK this thread is wild. I’ve never understood America’s obsession with guns.
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As someone from the UK this thread is wild. I’ve never understood America’s obsession with guns.
who gives a fuck what you understand?
funny how they're handing them out to anyone who will wield them in Ukraine right now, eh?
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And here I was hoping someone would give a balanced insight. However you come along and fit the stereotype the rest of the western world has of Murica.
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And here I was hoping someone would give a balanced insight. However you come along and fit the stereotype the rest of the western world has of Murica.
i truly don't care whether you understand or not, what else do you want me to say? i feel no burden or responsibility to explain anything to you.
and do i fit "the stereotype"? is there just one? how lazy and slobbish of you and yours...you claim to have read through this thread...so much for reading comprehension--this thread consists almost wholly of gun owners, enthusiasts, and advocates who clearly destroy that lazy, vacuous stereotype you predictably gesture towards...
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Not really, most of the other people would have been open to a discussion, after all it’s a world that’s pretty alien to people outside of the US. You just come across like Burt Gummer.
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Not really, most of the other people would have been open to a discussion, after all it’s a world that’s pretty alien to people outside of the US. You just come across like Burt Gummer.
ok
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And here I was hoping someone would give a balanced insight. However you come along and fit the stereotype the rest of the western world has of Murica.
@The_9 I believe that @Deputy Wendell ‘s example of what’s happening in the Ukraine should check a few boxes for you. At the other end of the spectrum, there are plenty of people in America that should not have access to firearms. Much like how some people shouldn’t have access to the internet. I’m thinking you might fall into that category. Be honest with yourself champ you didn’t come here for a “balanced insight” did you.
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You’ve got me all wrong. Im not opposed to gun ownership in the slightest. Or your right to own a gun. As an outsider I was just looking to find out about why it’s such a fundamental thing to many people in America? Is it just because you can do you do? Sporting? Hunting? Fear? Etc. I felt the thread was wild due to the talk of AK’s an AR’s and why anyone would feel the need to own one? Though it appears DW and yourself have got defensive rather to engage in conversation. “Who gives a fuck what you understand” is hardly a proportionate response to what I felt was an inoffensive question.
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You’ve got me all wrong. Im not opposed to gun ownership in the slightest. Or your right to own a gun. As an outsider I was just looking to find out about why it’s such a fundamental thing to many people in America? Is it just because you can do you do? Sporting? Hunting? Fear? Etc. I felt the thread was wild due to the talk of AK’s an AR’s and why anyone would feel the need to own one? Though it appears DW and yourself have got defensive rather to engage in conversation. “I don’t give a fuck what you understand” is hardly a proportionate response to what I felt was an inoffensive question.
Well let’s start over then, I will begin by apologizing for my tone in my last post. I personally own multiple firearms for different reasons. Some I use for sporting, and others for hunting. I also have some for self defense, or “fear” as you put it. This is certainly a touchy subject for a magnitude of reasons, so again my apologies for my crass reply.
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Hey no worries. I totally see the sporting aspect, where I live has a few clubs and sporting outdoor ranges as well as a crazy long distance range, and I imagine the technical skill of hitting a target with various firearms would be rewarding. Hunting obviously something we are t allowed to do over here, though I am interested why some people choose a gun over say a bow? Is it a different experience or is one just inherently more difficult than the other. I also find the fear/protection aspect very interesting. To a certain extent the whole western world faces the same concerns re crime and risk. There is a lot of gun violence in the uk, however there is no major push for gun ownership to be opened up the same way as it is in the US. The same with fear of invasion etc?
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Hey no worries. I totally see the sporting aspect, where I live has a few clubs and sporting outdoor ranges as well as a crazy long distance range, and I imagine the technical skill of hitting a target with various firearms would be rewarding. Hunting obviously something we are t allowed to do over here, though I am interested why some people choose a gun over say a bow? Is it a different experience or is one just inherently more difficult than the other. I also find the fear/protection aspect very interesting. To a certain extent the whole western world faces the same concerns re crime and risk. There is a lot of gun violence in the uk, however there is no major push for gun ownership to be opened up the same way as it is in the US. The same with fear of invasion etc?
Yes, target shooting is extremely fun and quite difficult much like skating. Unfortunately with the uprise in ammunition costs, it’s hard for me to get out very often these days. My father would take me out skeet-shooting as a kid, and those memories still bring a smile to my face. His patience as he taught me everything from gun safety to the mechanical aspects of taking care of firearms properly is also something I will never forget. Before he passed, he gave me quite a few small caliber firearms to enjoy with my children. So there is that aspect as well. I have very limited seat time with a bow, but I can only imagine how fun the learning curve would continue to be. As far as bow hunting vs. using a riffle or shotgun, it might be similar to us grabbing a cruiser setup for bombing around town or using your normal setup for street or park skating.
Edit: I personally don’t feel comfortable discussing the gun violence aspect, as it will likely cause arguments in this otherwise harmonious thread. :)
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http://www.diggleranges.com/index.php/disciplines
This is near to where I live.
The father son aspect is something I’d never considered, a skill handed down. Again something we don’t get over here (firearms related)
No worries on the GV aspect. I did t come here to cause trouble. Thanks for taking to time to talk through some stuff that’s essentially alien to UK culture.
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http://www.diggleranges.com/index.php/disciplines
This is near to where I live.
The father son aspect is something I’d never considered, a skill handed down. Again something g we don’t get over here (firearms related)
That range looks great, if you ever choose to partake in target shooting I would think you will enjoy it. I have to go to work, but I hope you have a good day man..what a great discussion (once the smoke cleared)
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I'm really getting ready to delete this thread if people keep getting testy or cuss out others.
Don't be a dick. Go do that shit on reddit or facebook or IRL. keep it off the SLAP gun thread.
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Yeah let's all play nice, let's be a good example of non reactionary behavior
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I'm really getting ready to delete this thread if people keep getting testy or cuss out others.
Don't be a dick. Go do that shit on reddit or facebook or IRL. keep it off the SLAP gun thread.
Yeah DW reply seemed pretty off hand and caught me off guard for sure.
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As someone from the UK this thread is wild. I’ve never understood America’s obsession with guns.
What do they teach about the American revolution in the UK?
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From what I recall and it’s been a while nothing, unless you choose history as a subject to take which I didn’t
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I'm really getting ready to delete this thread if people keep getting testy or cuss out others.
Don't be a dick. Go do that shit on reddit or facebook or IRL. keep it off the SLAP gun thread.
predictably enough, @The_9 started off with “America’s obsession” -- rhetorically, language like that is not “balanced,” and it proceeds with the implication that there is something wrong or unhealthy with those in question, and I’ve had one too many of those futile conversations. as I say above, i truly don't care whether he understands or not, i feel no burden or responsibility to explain anything to him...nor should i.
you know, @IusedToSkateMore , based on what little you can really know about someone based solely on this forum, you seem like a solid human, but this post is funny to me--ok, dad.
as far as the thread goes, don’t do me any favors, but i don’t want the thread taken down for others in here, just because of me, so since I can’t help but to be “reactionary” at times, I will simply abstain...selah.
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I hope you continue to post in the thread Deputy. You are by far the most knowledgeable on Slap when it comes to anything firearm related. Ironically I am currently reinventing myself as less of a reactionary person. Hopefully I will figure it out someday…but I lived in Mass. way to long to not be a fucking dickhead.
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I'm really getting ready to delete this thread if people keep getting testy or cuss out others.
Don't be a dick. Go do that shit on reddit or facebook or IRL. keep it off the SLAP gun thread.
predictably enough, @The_9 started off with “America’s obsession” -- rhetorically, language like that is not “balanced,” and it proceeds with the implication that there is something wrong or unhealthy with those in question, and I’ve had one too many of those futile conversations. as I say above, i truly don't care whether he understands or not, i feel no burden or responsibility to explain anything to him...nor should i.
you know, @IusedToSkateMore , based on what little you can really know about someone based solely on this forum, you seem like a solid human, but this post is funny to me--ok, dad.
as far as the thread goes, don’t do me any favors, but i don’t want the thread taken down for others in here, just because of me, so since I can’t help but to be “reactionary” at times, I will simply abstain...selah.
Because to an outsider like me self it appears an obsession. People up in arms about gun laws, people walking the streets with assault rifles and so on. You can own a gun in the UK, there’s plenty of gun clubs and ranges. I live in a rural area so there’s plenty of farmers with shotguns etc yet the majority of people just aren’t interested in guns, or owning a gun. There is also lots of crime, and gun violence though again people aren’t really interested in owning a gun for protection etc.
We also don’t see to live in fear the same way. Obviously this is a perception that may be wrong but disaster planning, hoarding guns, ammunition etc. it’s just not really on peoples radar over here.
Now you just seen pretty arrogant, grumpy man and from what I can see this isn’t the first thread you’ve been a bit of an arse. However there’s people like you all over the net who probably live in their mothers basement and are praying for social decline so you can go all Burt Gummer and play soldiers.
In reality I imagine you’re probably a well educated yet inadequate middle aged white man who does spend far too much time on forums. I’d say you’re single, definitely no children. You probably like to tell people you don’t want children when i reality no one wants to have their child suffer you as a father. Probably due to some daddy issues you have. You seem to have an ill found superiority complex, though I guess I’m not surprised given this trait is often found in those with a narcissistic personality disorder. As is throwing your toys out of the pram when someone questions how you choose to conduct yourself. So I’m not sure if you’re a bit more Bates than Gummer or just a toxic mixture of the two?
So much to your annoyance I’ll continue to engage in this thread and hopefully learn a bit more. Who knows it might lead me to the local range.
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I'm really getting ready to delete this thread if people keep getting testy or cuss out others.
Don't be a dick. Go do that shit on reddit or facebook or IRL. keep it off the SLAP gun thread.
predictably enough, @The_9 started off with “America’s obsession” -- rhetorically, language like that is not “balanced,” and it proceeds with the implication that there is something wrong or unhealthy with those in question, and I’ve had one too many of those futile conversations. as I say above, i truly don't care whether he understands or not, i feel no burden or responsibility to explain anything to him...nor should i.
you know, @IusedToSkateMore , based on what little you can really know about someone based solely on this forum, you seem like a solid human, but this post is funny to me--ok, dad.
as far as the thread goes, don’t do me any favors, but i don’t want the thread taken down for others in here, just because of me, so since I can’t help but to be “reactionary” at times, I will simply abstain...selah.
Because to an outsider like me self it appears an obsession. People up in arms about gun laws, people walking the streets with assault rifles and so on. You can own a gun in the UK, there’s plenty of gun clubs and ranges. I live in a rural area so there’s plenty of farmers with shotguns etc yet the majority of people just aren’t interested in guns, or owning a gun. There is also lots of crime, and gun violence though again people aren’t really interested in owning a gun for protection etc.
We also don’t see to live in fear the same way. Obviously this is a perception that may be wrong but disaster planning, hoarding guns, ammunition etc. it’s just not really on peoples radar over here.
Now you just seen pretty arrogant, grumpy man and from what I can see this isn’t the first thread you’ve been a bit of an arse. However there’s people like you all over the net who probably live in their mothers basement and are praying for social decline so you can go all Burt Gummer and play soldiers.
In reality I imagine you’re probably a well educated yet inadequate middle aged white man who does spend far too much time on forums. I’d say you’re single, definitely no children. You probably like to tell people you don’t want children when i reality no one wants to have their child suffer you as a father. Probably due to some daddy issues you have. You seem to have an ill found superiority complex, though I guess I’m not surprised given this trait is often found in those with a narcissistic personality disorder. As is throwing your toys out of the pram when someone questions how you choose to conduct yourself. So I’m not sure if you’re a bit more Bates than Gummer or just a toxic mixture of the two?
So much to your annoyance I’ll continue to engage in this thread and hopefully learn a bit more. Who knows it might lead me to the local range.
you know, i really did plan on letting this go, seriously, but my god son, look at you go....look at all of the "balanced insight" in your post...
...do you have anything else you want to try to conjecture about my life? or should i wait? shit, how many times have you edited this post now, to make it as "balanced" and as"insightful" as it is here? 3- or 4-times? talk about stereotypes...
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I kept getting interrupted.
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I kept getting interrupted.
fair enough man
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So I’ve said my piece. You certainly don’t seem the type of guy to hold his hand up and accept he was wrong, or offer any form of apology so I think it’s best we leave our interaction here.
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So I’ve said my piece. You certainly don’t seem the type of guy to hold his hand up and accept he was wrong, or offer any form of apology so I think it’s best we leave our interaction here.
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I'm really getting ready to delete this thread if people keep getting testy or cuss out others.
Don't be a dick. Go do that shit on reddit or facebook or IRL. keep it off the SLAP gun thread.
predictably enough, @The_9 started off with “America’s obsession” -- rhetorically, language like that is not “balanced,” and it proceeds with the implication that there is something wrong or unhealthy with those in question, and I’ve had one too many of those futile conversations. as I say above, i truly don't care whether he understands or not, i feel no burden or responsibility to explain anything to him...nor should i.
you know, @IusedToSkateMore , based on what little you can really know about someone based solely on this forum, you seem like a solid human, but this post is funny to me--ok, dad.
as far as the thread goes, don’t do me any favors, but i don’t want the thread taken down for others in here, just because of me, so since I can’t help but to be “reactionary” at times, I will simply abstain...selah.
Now you just seen pretty arrogant, grumpy man and from what I can see this isn’t the first thread you’ve been a bit of an arse. However there’s people like you all over the net who probably live in their mothers basement and are praying for social decline so you can go all Burt Gummer and play soldiers.
In reality I imagine you’re probably a well educated yet inadequate middle aged white man who does spend far too much time on forums. I’d say you’re single, definitely no children. You probably like to tell people you don’t want children when i reality no one wants to have their child suffer you as a father. Probably due to some daddy issues you have. You seem to have an ill found superiority complex, though I guess I’m not surprised given this trait is often found in those with a narcissistic personality disorder. As is throwing your toys out of the pram when someone questions how you choose to conduct yourself. So I’m not sure if you’re a bit more Bates than Gummer or just a toxic mixture of the two?
So much to your annoyance I’ll continue to engage in this thread and hopefully learn a bit more. Who knows it might lead me to the local range.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for an apology after saying all of that, and rightfully so. I believe OP started this thread with the intention of discussing the enjoyment of shooting guns, not the politics that surround it. Now someone please make a post that is relevant to the original intentions. What a fucking mess.
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Unlike yourself he was never going to apologise , and actually kept at it even after the discussion we had. I’d have thought that would have made my intentions in this thread clear, but no. As you saw I’m a reasonable guy, but I’m not here to be talked to like shit either. Hope you’re well man. I’ll let you know if I get to the range.