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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
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Tr*nny is a slur that is offensive. Its use should not be used or normalized, even if not referring to something not related to the trans community
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Yeah just say transition...
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I’m m willing to give this word wide birth and judge usage based on context. “Tranny” has been used as slang for transmissions for as long as transmissions have been in car. If two old people are kicking the tires around a car I will give them a pass. Or “he blew his tranny towing a full trailer up a fucking mountain”
I find it acceptable used in skateboarding/snowboarding etc. should I? I don’t know. I tend to have used transition for a long time, probably around the time I found out what “trannies” are. 14? 15? 12? I don’t know.
But I’m pretty sure calling a person a tranny is offensive.
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I’m m willing to give this word wide birth and judge usage based on context. “Tranny” has been used as slang for transmissions for as long as transmissions have been in car. If two old people are kicking the tires around a car I will give them a pass. Or “he blew his tranny towing a full trailer up a fucking mountain”
I find it acceptable used in skateboarding/snowboarding etc. should I? I don’t know. I tend to have used transition for a long time, probably around the time I found out what “trannies” are. 14? 15? 12? I don’t know.
But I’m pretty sure calling a person a tranny is offensive.
It definitely makes my non binary room mate double take and laugh when they hear me talking about shredding tranny.
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^ Your roomie sounds cool, but I feel like this is one of those where it’s safer just to avoid. Easy enough to change your habits, if it makes others feel more comfortable.
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Just get really offended if anyone thinks you are using tranny in an offensive context. It’s their filthy mind that made that connection. I would never! I mean even the thought! You are a fucking sicko! You know what? Get out! Just leave! Take that shit somewhere else!
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^ Your roomie sounds cool, but I feel like this is one of those where it’s safer just to avoid. Easy enough to change your habits, if it makes others feel more comfortable.
Oh for sure, its just been a hard habit to break. I like slanging out words like some dumb surfer brah.
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definitely a slur. ngl and say it’s easy to make the change, but I think it’s def worth it to make our vocab more inclusive, especially considering all our trans homies here on SLAP!!! much love
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its offensive you get offended, just an abbreviation if you dont
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No, stop being such a bunch of fucking soft cocks..
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I had a pretty transphobic vocabulary prior to 2010. I lived in a particular part of WeHo that had a particular nickname. It's not hard to edit your language if you care to try and eventually it becomes habit. If you slip, try harder.
Yeah it should probably just be called transition
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What the fuck are you kooks on about?
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In the extra soft charmin world that we live in now yeah it is probably offensive. I don't get offended when people call me Mexican or at the bottle of spic n Span I see in the store so I don't relate
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not really, but i guess.
in the netherlands we like to use cancer as a swear word. is the word cancer offensive? no, not really, but then when i run into someone who lost a family member or some shit, then i'll respectfully not use the word. it's simple really.
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I’m all for political correctness, but in this case there is no relationship between the slur and the victimized group. Which is not the case with other slurs who’s usage gets applied to other things.
I personally think it is fine in reference to transition and transmissions, completely unacceptable in regards to people.
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In the extra soft charmin world that we live in now yeah it is probably offensive. I don't get offended when people call me Mexican or at the bottle of spic n Span I see in the store so I don't relate
Mexican is an offensive thing to be called?
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
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Personally, I don't think so because it has nothing to do with gender identity at all, but I have no problem dropping it for the same reason I would never call a bundle of kindling a faggot.
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Love when I go into a thread like this, and I have already muted half the people posting in it. Most people know that word is a slur by now, and there's another word that everyone understands, with just one extra syllable, that can easily be substituted to be more inclusive. I know 'PC CULTURE!' or whatever, but grow up. You don't need to say a slur to talk about skateboarding. Refusing to make a minor change to your vocabulary out of consideration to other people is the real 'soft' shit.
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No
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not really, but i guess.
in the netherlands we like to use cancer as a swear word. is the word cancer offensive? no, not really, but then when i run into someone who lost a family member or some shit, then i'll respectfully not use the word. it's simple really.
it really depends on where you are. in my city you hear the word thrown around every other sentence.
on topic: i definitely think it depends on the context you use it in. like, you'll rarely ever talk about skating tranny around anyone that doesn't skate. especially considering it's literally an abbreviation of transition.
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In the extra soft charmin world that we live in now yeah it is probably offensive. I don't get offended when people call me Mexican or at the bottle of spic n Span I see in the store so I don't relate
Mexican is an offensive thing to be called?
lol there’s an episode of the office where Michael quietly says someone is a Mexican because he thinks it’s offensive... I guess there are some real Michael Scotts out there
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I haven't heard a transgender skater say anything about it, so I don't think so.
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No
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No it is not.
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No, but some tranny skaters find the term "vert button" offensive.
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I lived with some trans people and when I asked about the word, one of them just shouted “rude!” from upstairs. I told them I thought it was a tough word and they should take it back. They told me they would bring the motion to their delegation for consideration.
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No
Neither is someone from GB calling a cigarette a fag
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Its so easy to avoid an already dumb sounding word, but no, IM GONNA STICK TO MY OWN LAZINESS CAUSE FUCK EVERYONE MY WORLD MY RULES BITCH
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Can't speak for trans folks but sure would hope not. I have brought up the term with people that don't know much about skateboarding and get some looks of confusion but just takes very little explaining that it's a nickname for transition skating.
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I love cruising some tranny while the guys down at the shop are flushing and sealing my tranny.
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
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I find it hard to be offensive since most of the times you'll say "skate" right before "tranny" and the connection is made instantly.
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
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I don’t want to live in a world where I can’t ride tranny.
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Speaking for the asian delegation, just don't start saying you're dominating the slopes.
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A lot of people either vouching for trans skaters or saying they're not exactly sure what a trans skater would say.
So here's a resident shalomie trans skater to chime in!
It's ultimately a personal matter with each trans person. Just as GAY has the right to say whether a Brit calling smokes fags hits a nerve or not.
For me, tranny hits a nerve. It's still a very raw slur. It's just an awkward word to hear no matter what.
Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
It's more the gravity to the word, regardless of why it's used in skateboarding. Being trans in skateboarding (and the world) is still a fresh taboo - so do your trans community members a favor and exercise caution when using the term. Some people will laugh, others will be emotionally crushed. That's not on us.
P.S. the inevitable onslaught of replies on ignore that will follow this post. Save it. Go jerk off into a pillow or something. I really don't give a fuck.
Shalom. Thank you to so many on here for having our backs.
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A lot of people either vouching for trans skaters or saying they're not exactly sure what a trans skater would say.
So here's a resident shalomie trans skater to chime in!
It's ultimately a personal matter with each trans person. Just as GAY has the right to say whether a Brit calling smokes fags hits a nerve or not.
For me, tranny hits a nerve. It's still a very raw slur. It's just an awkward word to hear no matter what.
Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
It's more the gravity to the word, regardless of why it's used in skateboarding. Being trans in skateboarding (and the world) is still a fresh taboo - so do your trans community members a favor and exercise caution when using the term. Some people will laugh, others will be emotionally crushed. That's not on us.
P.S. the inevitable onslaught of replies on ignore that will follow this post. Save it. Go jerk off into a pillow or something. I really don't give a fuck.
Shalom. Thank you to so many on here for having our backs.
I absolutely respect your right to be whoever you want to be and do what you want to do, but to say that I'm getting my "rocks off" by using a word that has forever and always meant transition is ridiculous. If the verb "skating" or "skate" prefaces the noun "tranny", you're choosing to get offended. Theres HUGE issues with bigots/racists/rapists/ that go far up the chain of command in this industry. Not to mention those chomo braile fucks and all of those "rumors". Weeding out these walking garbage cans is far more important than rallying people to stop using the word tranny when we're simply talking about a type of obstacle.
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^ Your roomie sounds cool, but I feel like this is one of those where it’s safer just to avoid. Easy enough to change your habits, if it makes others feel more comfortable.
Haha honestly that’s why I never say it- I sound like some airhead surfer already and I’m trying to be more respectable. Whether or not it’s offensive I’ll wait for the verdict from trans people
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Love how offended people get when they are told it’s not nice to say a word that they probably very rarely say. If it makes people uncomfortable just be courteous. Not a hard concept there.
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My friend used to say he was about to get Gnar Gnar Binx when referencing skating transition. Maybe we could go with that and call it a day?
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I usually just call it "the skatepark" but no, it's not offensive and there is no animus when skaters are saying it.
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
shut up
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
shut up
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oh wow i guess this proves that I have actually heard it a bunch and i am wrong and you are right.
fucking idiot
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you're the one who brought your anecdotal 'experience' into this discussion making it about you. again, shut up
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you're the one who brought your anecdotal 'experience' into this discussion making it about you. again, shut up
It's almost as if I was responding to someone who brought it up. You know, like a discussion. I think anecdotes/conversations about language are interesting but you are clearly too stupid to get that so I understand how this might be frustrating for you.
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In the extra soft charmin world that we live in now yeah it is probably offensive. I don't get offended when people call me Mexican or at the bottle of spic n Span I see in the store so I don't relate
Mexican is an offensive thing to be called?
Just people saying oh Puerto Rican Colombian Mexican same thing.
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I just watched a porn scene where the girl in it said she got such a big butt from skating transition. Make a note of the fact that porn is doing better at respecting people than you are if you wanna hang on to that term.
Also eat me it used to be called vert anyway.
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
It hasn't. The word tranny used in a derogatory way originated around the 60s.
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
shut up
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oh wow i guess this proves that I have actually heard it a bunch and i am wrong and you are right.
fucking idiot
you're the one that doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about, yet he's the idiot. curious.
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Love how offended people get when they are told it’s not nice to say a word that they probably very rarely say. If it makes people uncomfortable just be courteous. Not a hard concept there.
Gotta stick it to the snowflakes right?
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
shut up
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oh wow i guess this proves that I have actually heard it a bunch and i am wrong and you are right.
fucking idiot
you're the one that doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about, yet he's the idiot. curious.
What part am I wrong about? I was sharing a (boring) anecdote. I feel like y'all are reading way too into the previous comments.
Someone brought up another context where they felt that word applied and I thought it was interesting having never heard it in that context before. (didn't say it didn't happen. just making conversation.) Someone else responded backing up that they've heard it and I said "guess I'll take your word for it". Not sure if you guys are taking that as sarcasm but it wasn't intended to be. I am taking their word for it. I am now a believer that sometimes people use a shorthand phrase to describe a car's transmission.
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
shut up
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oh wow i guess this proves that I have actually heard it a bunch and i am wrong and you are right.
fucking idiot
you're the one that doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about, yet he's the idiot. curious.
What part am I wrong about? I was sharing a (boring) anecdote. I feel like y'all are reading way too into the previous comments.
Someone brought up another context where they felt that word applied and I thought it was interesting having never heard it in that context before. (didn't say it didn't happen. just making conversation.) Someone else responded backing up that they've heard it and I said "guess I'll take your word for it". Not sure if you guys are taking that as sarcasm but it wasn't intended to be. I am taking their word for it. I am now a believer that sometimes people use a shorthand phrase to describe a car's transmission.
God damn it pizzaflip! How dare you. Also your “pizza flip” Is offensive to pizzas and shit. Stop being so closed minded gosh. Jeeze omg I’m so mad right now
Edit: also yea, just call it transition.
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Say three penance Angery Dog and your soul shall be cleansed 🙏
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Idk ask the moderators who like to censor everyone
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My friend used to say he was about to get Gnar Gnar Binx when referencing skating transition. Maybe we could go with that and call it a day?
Im into it.
just call it transition, its not that big of a deal if you call it tranny (to me, as a queer person). Its almost like queer people aren't some monolith and people are gonna react differently.
Just don't be disrespectful, be nice, if someone says "hey thats kinda wack", its fair if they are trans or queer and have had to hear that word in other situations and its not talking about some drippy gnar gnar binx at the local DIY.
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Love how offended people get when they are told it’s not nice to say a word that they probably very rarely say. If it makes people uncomfortable just be courteous. Not a hard concept there.
Yeah they get all sensitive whenever this comes up, I guess they’re awkward and unable to navigate uncomfortable social situations. Which is fair, it’s not fun being told you said something stupid, but it’s also not a reason to get all angry.
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Won't know until Transition mentions it on their insta.
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if anyone's offended i'll just danny way the loser.
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
can confirm, common use
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I just watched a porn scene where the girl in it said she got such a big butt from skating transition. Make a note of the fact that porn is doing better at respecting people than you are if you wanna hang on to that term.
Also eat me it used to be called vert anyway.
Scene?.....asking for a friend.
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
Are you kidding? Anyone who is even remotely involved with cars primarily calls it a tranny
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Say three penance Angery Dog and your soul shall be cleansed 🙏
I feel like your username should've been Armin Transarian
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I’m all for political correctness, but in this case there is no relationship between the slur and the victimized group. Which is not the case with other slurs who’s usage gets applied to other things.
I personally think it is fine in reference to transition and transmissions, completely unacceptable in regards to people.
Lol all for political correctness but have the word tard in your username....
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Okay, calling someone a tranny is offensive. Is calling a transmission (from a vehicle) a tranny not offensive? Is calling part of the skatepark tranny offensive? I dont even know anymore so I just say transition, but a lot of people still call it tranny.
I think its all about the intent but please discuss.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a car transmission as "tranny". And my first car's transmission blew out once, so I heard a lot of people discuss transmissions.
its super common with car dudes and hicks, not an unpopular term by any meas
Worth noting I grew up in a hick town when this happened to me but I guess I'll take your word for it.
shut up
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Fuck your argument but this ad looks hilarious
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How about a Granny Tranny skating some tranny whist servicing a tranny?
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A lot of people either vouching for trans skaters or saying they're not exactly sure what a trans skater would say.
So here's a resident shalomie trans skater to chime in!
It's ultimately a personal matter with each trans person. Just as GAY has the right to say whether a Brit calling smokes fags hits a nerve or not.
For me, tranny hits a nerve. It's still a very raw slur. It's just an awkward word to hear no matter what.
Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
It's more the gravity to the word, regardless of why it's used in skateboarding. Being trans in skateboarding (and the world) is still a fresh taboo - so do your trans community members a favor and exercise caution when using the term. Some people will laugh, others will be emotionally crushed. That's not on us.
P.S. the inevitable onslaught of replies on ignore that will follow this post. Save it. Go jerk off into a pillow or something. I really don't give a fuck.
Shalom. Thank you to so many on here for having our backs.
Couldn't have said it better. I'll chime in too as an enby (NB for the uninitiated).
Just because tranny has been normalized within the context of skating transition doesn't make it any less a slur. Is it really that fucking difficult to call it transition? Like really. Skaters will break their back trying a trick a hundred times in a row but are too lazy to add one more syllable to a word to not make it a vicious, dehumanizing slur. Do you people understand that trans folk get beaten to death fairly regularly and have that word shouted down at them as they are being murdered?
I usually avoid threads like these whenever Leo Baker or trans issues are discussed because it always brings out all the new users with low post counts that are itching to give their hot take they learned from watching alt-right youtube videos all day every day.
Now, that being said, do I think that every single person who uses that word is transphobic? No, I don't. But I do think if you already know its a slur and continue to use it then you are ignorant, lazy, and beyond entitled. You just sound dumb, and if you mention that you are a "tranny skater" to people outside of skateboarding, they too will think you dumb. And all things considered, there are those in the trans community that thinks differently than me or Armin. I think some of that is internalized transphobia and trying to overly please cis sensibilities. Again, as Spunkchild said in his post, we are not some universal monolith that you can pigeonhole into having one idealistic lexicon.
Shalom to those in this thread that look out for trans folk. We see you and appreciate you. And wheelbite in the rain to slaps resident transphobes who have 0 ability to discuss this topic respectfully.
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And wheelbite in the rain to slaps resident transphobes who have 0 ability to discuss this topic respectfully.
Tranny
Like this clown.
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I don’t see what’s so hard about saying one extra syllable in the first place.
I never even say transition anyway, usually find myself being more specific: pool, bowl, vert, mini, etc.
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I don’t see what’s so hard about saying one extra syllable in the first place.
I never even say transition anyway, usually find myself being more specific: pool, bowl, vert, mini, etc.
I've always just called it this stuff as well. I feel like using the term "tranny" in skating is more of an old dude thing.
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I just watched a porn scene where the girl in it said she got such a big butt from skating transition. Make a note of the fact that porn is doing better at respecting people than you are if you wanna hang on to that term.
Also eat me it used to be called vert anyway.
Scene?.....asking for a friend.
You got questions? Hit me up like a person u know my pornhub
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Nope 👎 understand the context of what someone is referring to before becoming a butthurt bitch with a skinned knee.
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
It hasn't. The word tranny used in a derogatory way originated around the 60s.
But when were transmissions invented?
Tranny is short for transmission at least 10 times more often than it is for transition. It is very very very commonly used. And has been for a long time. And a lot of the people who use it commonly aren’t the type to call a trans person a “tranny” but more likely a “fag” or “queer” or some other colloquial insult.
Not a defense, but a word that can quite commonly be given a pass as it started as an abbreviation for a very common part of any machine with a motor which requires changing gears or speeds. It’s not like saying “frick” instead of “fuck,” which means the same sentiment. When you tell someone that “tranny fluid is probably required in this transmission, hence the dipstick” you are not calling it that because transmissions are for weaker humans because real men only ride fixed gear mountain bikes, so all gearing designed to facilitate changes in load blah blah blah is a “tranny” because they are men who should wear dresses, you’re calling it that because “tranny” is quicker and a time honored short version of transmission.
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Easy enough to get skaters to stop. I’m on board.
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
It hasn't. The word tranny used in a derogatory way originated around the 60s.
But when were transmissions invented?
Tranny is short for transmission at least 10 times more often than it is for transition. It is very very very commonly used. And has been for a long time. And a lot of the people who use it commonly aren’t the type to call a trans person a “tranny” but more likely a “fag” or “queer” or some other colloquial insult.
Not a defense, but a word that can quite commonly be given a pass as it started as an abbreviation for a very common part of any machine with a motor which requires changing gears or speeds. It’s not like saying “frick” instead of “fuck,” which means the same sentiment. When you tell someone that “tranny fluid is probably required in this transmission, hence the dipstick” you are calling it that because transmissions are for weaker humans because real men only ride fixed gear mountain bikes, so all gearing designed to facilitate changes in load blah blah blah is a “tranny” because they are men who should wear dresses.
Also a guess what British slag for a cig is called? Or a bundle of sticks? Words have had different contexts and uses and only 1st world problems get butthurt about this issue.
If you’re talking about skating with another skater then you know the difference, this debate seems like a selective gaslighting for a short handed term called tranny/transition focus this thread it’s fucking stupid.
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
It hasn't. The word tranny used in a derogatory way originated around the 60s.
But when were transmissions invented?
Tranny is short for transmission at least 10 times more often than it is for transition. It is very very very commonly used. And has been for a long time. And a lot of the people who use it commonly aren’t the type to call a trans person a “tranny” but more likely a “fag” or “queer” or some other colloquial insult.
Not a defense, but a word that can quite commonly be given a pass as it started as an abbreviation for a very common part of any machine with a motor which requires changing gears or speeds. It’s not like saying “frick” instead of “fuck,” which means the same sentiment. When you tell someone that “tranny fluid is probably required in this transmission, hence the dipstick” you are not calling it that because transmissions are for weaker humans because real men only ride fixed gear mountain bikes, so all gearing designed to facilitate changes in load blah blah blah is a “tranny” because they are men who should wear dresses, you’re calling it that because “tranny” is quicker and a time honored short version of transmission.
Never once have I heard a single person in real life refer to a transmission as a tranny. Why not just call it a trans? It's one syllable.
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Jesus Christ. This is really not hard. Some people just don’t want to hear a word. Didn’t your parents teach you manners? When a guy has no legs is the first thing you say is what happened to your legs? And if he gets a little weird about it do you freak out and call him a soft snowflake pc lib ?? Also tranny is a slang term for transmission, sometimes. Shut up about it. There is no logical argument for things sometimes being called things, it just is called that by some people. Maybe you haven’t heard it, but I also thought people did not call soda, “pop”, but they do sometimes.
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I’m all for political correctness, but in this case there is no relationship between the slur and the victimized group. Which is not the case with other slurs who’s usage gets applied to other things.
I personally think it is fine in reference to transition and transmissions, completely unacceptable in regards to people.
Lol all for political correctness but have the word tard in your username....
Because people don’t get sarcasm anymore. Nor understand that this is a both a dig against people who use the word ‘cuck’ unironically, paired with the title of an infamous AntiHero video.
But seriously, if anyone here with a disability or has a loved one with a disability is offended by my name, PM me and I will change it.
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Say three penance Angery Dog and your soul shall be cleansed 🙏
I feel like your username should've been Armin Transarian
Nah it fits, considering Armin was Skinners original identity. I can see it as a trans or gender fluid metaphor. If you so choose.
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Say three penance Angery Dog and your soul shall be cleansed 🙏
I feel like your username should've been Armin Transarian
OK i know this is absolutely tangential but I DO NOT consider that episode canon.
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Chink chink is a whack name and really a whack trick anyways but these things have been known by these names and abbreviated names for a long time. Is it really time now to change everything we know that has any sort of offensive connotation? Personally I think intent is the main thing that bums people out, but just to be clear I’m just throwing this out there. I’m neither for nor against the questionable terminology of skateboarding, I simply like a good frontside grind and that keeps me coming back.
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
It hasn't. The word tranny used in a derogatory way originated around the 60s.
But when were transmissions invented?
Tranny is short for transmission at least 10 times more often than it is for transition. It is very very very commonly used. And has been for a long time. And a lot of the people who use it commonly aren’t the type to call a trans person a “tranny” but more likely a “fag” or “queer” or some other colloquial insult.
Not a defense, but a word that can quite commonly be given a pass as it started as an abbreviation for a very common part of any machine with a motor which requires changing gears or speeds. It’s not like saying “frick” instead of “fuck,” which means the same sentiment. When you tell someone that “tranny fluid is probably required in this transmission, hence the dipstick” you are not calling it that because transmissions are for weaker humans because real men only ride fixed gear mountain bikes, so all gearing designed to facilitate changes in load blah blah blah is a “tranny” because they are men who should wear dresses, you’re calling it that because “tranny” is quicker and a time honored short version of transmission.
Never once have I heard a single person in real life refer to a transmission as a tranny. Why not just call it a trans? It's one syllable.
Just because you can’t change a tire or tell me what kind of brakes you have doesn’t mean there aren’t people with years of experience who will create a jargon or lingo based around that shared experience. They don’t know what a “brony” is but that doesn’t mean you and your friends don’t have fun at the conventions.
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tranny is a slang term for transmission, Often Shut up about it. There is sometimes
Complicated explanations for argument for things sometimes being called things,or now it just is called that by some people. Maybe you haven’t heard it, but I also thought people did not call soda, “pop”, but they do almost exclusively .
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Armin, bro, I am sorry that you feel that way. Sometimes it slips out of my mouth when I’m trying to explain why I want to skate a park before street. Habit I guess.
You dead wrong thinking I care about people’s sexual orientation or gender orientation. I’m thinking about skating bro
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Pretty sure tranny has been slang for transition for longer than whatever fucking PC bullshit you guys are smoking.
It hasn't. The word tranny used in a derogatory way originated around the 60s.
But when were transmissions invented?
Tranny is short for transmission at least 10 times more often than it is for transition. It is very very very commonly used. And has been for a long time. And a lot of the people who use it commonly aren’t the type to call a trans person a “tranny” but more likely a “fag” or “queer” or some other colloquial insult.
Not a defense, but a word that can quite commonly be given a pass as it started as an abbreviation for a very common part of any machine with a motor which requires changing gears or speeds. It’s not like saying “frick” instead of “fuck,” which means the same sentiment. When you tell someone that “tranny fluid is probably required in this transmission, hence the dipstick” you are not calling it that because transmissions are for weaker humans because real men only ride fixed gear mountain bikes, so all gearing designed to facilitate changes in load blah blah blah is a “tranny” because they are men who should wear dresses, you’re calling it that because “tranny” is quicker and a time honored short version of transmission.
Never once have I heard a single person in real life refer to a transmission as a tranny. Why not just call it a trans? It's one syllable.
Just because you can’t change a tire or tell me what kind of brakes you have doesn’t mean there aren’t people with years of experience who will create a jargon or lingo based around that shared experience. They don’t know what a “brony” is but that doesn’t mean you and your friends don’t have fun at the conventions.
When did I say that there weren't? I just said I've never heard it before.
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
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Chink chink is a whack name and really a whack trick anyways but these things have been known by these names and abbreviated names for a long time. Is it really time now to change everything we know to have any sort of offensive connotation? Personally I think intent is the main thing that bums people out, but just to be clear I’m just throwing this out there. I’m neither for nor against the questionable terminology of skateboarding, I simply like a good frontside grind and that keeps me coming back.
Good questions, thanks for being respectful. I just think our universal lexicon has the ability to evolve and change over time to escape the historical association of said words and their prior bigoted attributions. Glad you brought up intent because that is the reason why I do not universally condemn every person who chooses to use tranny when referring to transition. To say that I would would be extremely disingenuous.
My opinion is that things equal things, on some transitive property type of shit. But it is also true that context/intent is the variable that unbalances the equation, and therefore you cannot have a black and white answer for this topic. But here is the reason why I stand where I stand on this topic, if we have the opportunity to do better towards others, why not take that opportunity?
I like making people more welcome to the community rather than unwelcome. Trans folk are taking up skating on a monumental scale right now. So if they are beginners and go to the park alone and are unaware that people refer to transition as "tranny" then I got to imagine that is an offputting way to introduce them to the culture. The context for them could indicate that they interpreted it as a slur more than anything. But it's all different because everyone's different.
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I think responsible language is a net positive but I do agree that it’s hard and may sometimes seem arbitrary. (Eg at work they want us to stop saying “sync” is it may appear ableist to those with autism?).
To be completely honest, I find it hard to imagine a scenario where someone using “tranny” in a skate-related context can be misconstrued. I know enough not to use the term within earshot of anyone transgendered (fairly rare at skateparks but becoming more common). I also find it hard to believe any of the transgendered people I’ve met would get offended by those words in that context - especially given the amount of shit they unfortunately deal with. I think we should give their resolve more credit.
Of course, minimizing exposure to the word is a net benefit, but it’s worth discussing. I don’t think it’s fair to judge someone as bigoted if they unknowingly use diction not up to twitter’s current standards, and that’s a vibe I get from some users.
How do people feel about the term bastard? Genuinely curious why that hasn’t reached the topic of responsible dialect, especially as it is a prominent term among those who care about such things (eg acab) and applies to a large set of people by means outside their control.
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How do people feel about the term bastard? Genuinely curious why that hasn’t reached the topic of responsible dialect, especially as it is a prominent term among those who care about such things (eg acab) and applies to a large set of people by means outside their control.
Hadn't thought of that one but good point.
What about the use of "negro" in things like beer names?
You know what else is nuts? In Nova Scotia there used to be a warehouse for a bearing company in Truro, right by the main highway. The name? FAG bearings. Huge red letters.
Oh yeah, still going. https://www.ebatmus.com/bearings_fag.html
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I think responsible language is a net positive but I do agree that it’s hard and may sometimes seem arbitrary. (Eg at work they want us to stop saying “sync” is it may appear ableist to those with autism?).
To be completely honest, I find it hard to imagine a scenario where someone using “tranny” in a skate-related context can be misconstrued. I know enough not to use the term within earshot of anyone transgendered (fairly rare at skateparks but becoming more common). I also find it hard to believe any of the transgendered people I’ve met would get offended by those words in that context - especially given the amount of shit they unfortunately deal with. I think we should give their resolve more credit.
Of course, minimizing exposure to the word is a net benefit, but it’s worth discussing. I don’t think it’s fair to judge someone as bigoted if they unknowingly use diction not up to twitter’s current standards, and that’s a vibe I get from some users.
How do people feel about the term bastard? Genuinely curious why that hasn’t reached the topic of responsible dialect, especially as it is a prominent term among those who care about such things (eg acab) and applies to a large set of people by means outside their control.
Excellent response and you are right about a lot. Where does the overextension of the condemnation of certain words or terms become an overreaction? That's why this topic is so black and white because there really isn't a concrete answer to that question. Here's my take, the line is drawn when certain words reach a threshold for its overt usage in its application to demean people, especially minorities, in a vitriolic manner.
For the word "faggot", the threshold reached critical mass in the mid-2010s because its association became so hostile that to use it was an act of clear homophobic implication. That word was everywhere too pre mid-2010's such as the most popular comedy movie of the time The Hangover. Nowadays, that's not the case and has been fazed out.
Here is the thing though, there are still people today who try and argue that "faggot" is just a way to describe a lame person but that it doesn't actually mean they are homophobic. That's where I call bullshit. Trying to dissociate its meaning is an act of erasure that seeks to dissolve the history of the word.
Tranny is a difficult one because it does not have a negative attribution when it's used to refer to transition. And trans people definitely do deserve their resolve because like I said in my previous posts, we are all different and react to things differently. We definitely do have more to deal with more important matters than someone saying words at a skatepark. But this insinuation by some people in this thread that trans folk are out there openly confronting people in public for using "tranny" is vastly unrealistic. It's just as unrealistic to label all cis straight men as bigots - its all just dumb generalizations that does more harm than anything. Other than the overly militant subsect of trans folk, we're very nonconfrontational because being confrontational could lead to violence which is a very real, very scary part of our reality. And in some places, there are laws on the book that if we do confront you, you can beat us to death and claim panic defense and don't get convicted.
I'm rambling but I just wanna say, you sound like a thoughtful person. Again, situational awareness is so important and you seem to have it dialed. Of course, we can't all succumb to everyone's shifting sensibilities but if I have the opportunity to try and make people feel comfortable then I want to at least try to be the person who can provide them that.
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
I don't mean this in a confrontational way, but I don't believe Armin's statement is meant to speak for all cisgendered skateboarders, just certain straight skaters who don't give a shit about the negativity of the word tranny, and even want to keep using it because of how offensive it might be. Like how Kid Rock said that anyone who uses "gay" in a pejorative way should be free to keep doing so. It's that kind of backwards-ass, stagnant mindset which Armin's statement is aimed at.
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so pressed over a word that you go online and cry about how it has ‘nonbigoted history’
if you defend the use of the word tranny you are a pussy plain and simple...
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
I don't mean this in a confrontational way, but I don't believe Armin's statement is meant to speak for all cisgendered skateboarders, just certain straight skaters who don't give a shit about the negativity of the word tranny, and even want to keep using it because of how offensive it might be. Like how Kid Rock said that anyone who uses "gay" in a pejorative way should be free to keep doing so. It's that kind of backwards-ass, stagnant mindset which Armin's statement is aimed at.
Thank you Adam.
Also Szechuan you hit the nail on the head 8)
Here for you Julio - thank you for all your words in this thread.
Anyway Glurmpz, you conveniently didn't quote the part where I said:
Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
That's pretty weird, considering your argument.
And I don't hate cisgendered / straight males. But shalom for the new tagline.
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
Pal of the year right here.
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
I don't mean this in a confrontational way, but I don't believe Armin's statement is meant to speak for all cisgendered skateboarders, just certain straight skaters who don't give a shit about the negativity of the word tranny, and even want to keep using it because of how offensive it might be. Like how Kid Rock said that anyone who uses "gay" in a pejorative way should be free to keep doing so. It's that kind of backwards-ass, stagnant mindset which Armin's statement is aimed at.
Thank you Adam.
Also Szechuan you hit the nail on the head 8)
Here for you Julio - thank you for all your words in this thread.
Anyway Glurmpz, you conveniently didn't quote the part where I said:
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Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
That's pretty weird, considering your argument.
And I don't hate cisgendered / straight males. But shalom for the new tagline.
My post was addressing your statement saying that all straight male skaters get some sort of kick out of using the word tranny because it's taboo. You even said if we don't feel that way that we're lying. That second part insinuates it's ALL straight male skaters. If you didn't intend for that to be the message then you probably should have said "...SOME skaters...", and left out the second part. I think it's pretty easy to see why I took your statement as such, especially when taking into account your other comments regarding straight male skaters. If you don't hate "cisgendered" skaters then maybe don't make posts where you call for all straight male pros to take a hike from the industry. I can't really take that ANY way except as extremely offensive. It's blatant prejudice.
I don't see how that relates to the other part you quoted or how it makes my own point weird. Explain?
Edit: to be clear - not endorsing use of the term tranny. Fuck that. Fully support ending that and never really used it anyway. And fully support people like you, Armin, enjoying skateboarding as much and as comfortably as you can. I hate to even be criticizing you because I don't want to give off the wrong impression. Just hoping you can realize there's plenty of us who are decent humans and welcome you with open arms.
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
I don't mean this in a confrontational way, but I don't believe Armin's statement is meant to speak for all cisgendered skateboarders, just certain straight skaters who don't give a shit about the negativity of the word tranny, and even want to keep using it because of how offensive it might be. Like how Kid Rock said that anyone who uses "gay" in a pejorative way should be free to keep doing so. It's that kind of backwards-ass, stagnant mindset which Armin's statement is aimed at.
Thank you Adam.
Also Szechuan you hit the nail on the head 8)
Here for you Julio - thank you for all your words in this thread.
Anyway Glurmpz, you conveniently didn't quote the part where I said:
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Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
That's pretty weird, considering your argument.
And I don't hate cisgendered / straight males. But shalom for the new tagline.
fixed it for you.
but jokes aside... I think if one consider oneself an ally in this context, it’s important not to get defensive when one’s demographic is singled out as part of the problem. this is something I had trouble with when I was younger, as a white-passing, heterosexual and (mostly) cisgendered male (in my mid/late twenties I’m still learning a lot about this and about myself if I’m honest), so this post isn’t to talk shit. sure, Armin’s stance might’ve been clearer if they qualified it, but I personally don’t think one should tone police marginalized peeps, esp when we’re living in a time when so many groups are finally strengthening their voices in society. being an ally is not a title, it’s active work
as an aside, being cisgendered is not the same as being heterosexual.
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BUT. It is disingenuous to claim that cisgendered skaters don't get their rocks off saying the word tranny. You're lying if you don't want to admit that.
Not saying tranny anymore is easy, though I honestly rarely ever used that term to refer to transitions anyway. It's more than worth it if it makes some people feel less persecuted.
But I'll definitely call bullshit on your insinuation that me using the term "tranny" had literally anything to do with trying to use a taboo slur. For real. I never ever heard that term as a slur until at least 18 years of living in a world where it ONLY meant the transmission in a car, or transitions on a ramp. I honestly don't even remember when I eventually heard it as a slur, because I don't hang around hateful people. But I do remember thinking, once I knew it as a slur, that saying "tranny" when talking about skating was kinda iffy.
This thread is based on the premise that using a word with multiple meanings is offensive because of one of those meanings, so I don't think it's at all out of line for me to be offended by your constant prejudiced statements about "cisgendered" males, which are very direct and intentional. I feel like you should just start each post with a disclaimer "Hey folks, just a reminder I hate all straight males, but on the topic of Tiago's shoe...".
I don't mean this in a confrontational way, but I don't believe Armin's statement is meant to speak for all cisgendered skateboarders, just certain straight skaters who don't give a shit about the negativity of the word tranny, and even want to keep using it because of how offensive it might be. Like how Kid Rock said that anyone who uses "gay" in a pejorative way should be free to keep doing so. It's that kind of backwards-ass, stagnant mindset which Armin's statement is aimed at.
Thank you Adam.
Also Szechuan you hit the nail on the head 8)
Here for you Julio - thank you for all your words in this thread.
Anyway Glurmpz, you conveniently didn't quote the part where I said:
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Granted, tranny in skateboarding is simply a truncation of the word transition.
That's pretty weird, considering your argument.
And I don't hate cisgendered / straight males. But shalom for the new tagline.
fixed it for you.
but jokes aside... I think if one consider oneself an ally in this context, it’s important not to get defensive when one’s demographic is singled out as part of the problem. this is something I had trouble with when I was younger, as a white-passing, heterosexual and (mostly) cisgendered male (in my mid/late twenties I’m still learning a lot about this and about myself if I’m honest), so this post isn’t to talk shit. sure, Armin’s stance might’ve been clearer if they qualified it, but I personally don’t think one should tone police marginalized peeps, esp when we’re living in a time when so many groups are finally strengthening their voices in society. being an ally is not a title, it’s active work
as an aside, being cisgendered is not the same as being heterosexual.
I legitimately did not know that until I just looked it up, interesting.
Yes, I got defensive about Armin's statements regarding "cisgendered" male skaters, but more so because when the good guys start to slip up and use the bad guy tactics, I think it's important to remind them not to slip to the dark side. Be better. If the whole topic is about words and how they can be hurtful, then don't make a sloppily worded statement that appears to directly, and negatively, target one specific group.
I apologize if my confusion about the true meaning of cis vs straight was mistaken for intentional.
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Chink chink is a whack name and really a whack trick anyways but these things have been known by these names and abbreviated names for a long time. Is it really time now to change everything we know to have any sort of offensive connotation? Personally I think intent is the main thing that bums people out, but just to be clear I’m just throwing this out there. I’m neither for nor against the questionable terminology of skateboarding, I simply like a good frontside grind and that keeps me coming back.
Good questions, thanks for being respectful. I just think our universal lexicon has the ability to evolve and change over time to escape the historical association of said words and their prior bigoted attributions. Glad you brought up intent because that is the reason why I do not universally condemn every person who chooses to use tranny when referring to transition. To say that I would would be extremely disingenuous.
My opinion is that things equal things, on some transitive property type of shit. But it is also true that context/intent is the variable that unbalances the equation, and therefore you cannot have a black and white answer for this topic. But here is the reason why I stand where I stand on this topic, if we have the opportunity to do better towards others, why not take that opportunity?
I like making people more welcome to the community rather than unwelcome. Trans folk are taking up skating on a monumental scale right now. So if they are beginners and go to the park alone and are unaware that people refer to transition as "tranny" then I got to imagine that is an offputting way to introduce them to the culture. The context for them could indicate that they interpreted it as a slur more than anything. But it's all different because everyone's different.
Thanks for this reply, it genuinely helped me gain some understanding about the subject. I do my best to be understanding and welcoming while at the same time keeping some of the older traditions of skate culture, that I think are cool, alive. But I’m no gatekeeper, I remind myself on a daily basis that I just happen to be someone who put a lot of time into a wooden toy. Again though, thank you for the rad reply, I always look forward to reading your posts.
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To be completely honest, I find it hard to imagine a scenario where someone using “tranny” in a skate-related context can be misconstrued.
"This tranny has been slapped around"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNBKf01LXTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNBKf01LXTU)
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Can’t believe noones posted this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIvogWqzdFc
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Who cares. Should we stop calling it fakie, because it’s still considered real skating? Switch shouldn’t be switch because it’s just a regular stance too just different
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I used to say it when I was younger, I didn't really think of it being *homonymous with a slur, when I realised it was I just stopped saying it, it wasn't that difficult
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I don't know about any of this, but somewhat related can someone tell me the origin/reason for "chinese ollie?"
Also, pretty sure "chink chink" is more of a reference of the sound that trick makes, but what do i know maybe it was some Q Anon racist conspiracy started in an early 90s skatepark.
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This is what happens when a country doesn't have enough problems, we need a world war and we need it now.
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I like a good backside and when people talk about going doing tricks ‘backside’, I feel triggered because my deeply held beliefs regarding juicy butts are not being respected.
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Jesus Christ. This is really not hard. Some people just don’t want to hear a word. Didn’t your parents teach you manners? When a guy has no legs is the first thing you say is what happened to your legs? And if he gets a little weird about it do you freak out and call him a soft snowflake pc lib ?? Also tranny is a slang term for transmission, sometimes. Shut up about it. There is no logical argument for things sometimes being called things, it just is called that by some people. Maybe you haven’t heard it, but I also thought people did not call soda, “pop”, but they do sometimes.
Up here, we only call it "pop".
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I used to say it when I was younger, I didn't really think of it being *homonymous with a slur, when I realised it was I just stopped saying it, it wasn't that difficult
What makes it a slur? Not trying to be an asshole ...Serious question. And it’s not like the trans community is a monolith where they all prefer to be called the same classification, hence all the gender pronouns
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No
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The word police!
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nah, i dont think so
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I used to say it when I was younger, I didn't really think of it being *homonymous with a slur, when I realised it was I just stopped saying it, it wasn't that difficult
What makes it a slur? Not trying to be an asshole ...Serious question. And it’s not like the trans community is a monolith where they all prefer to be called the same classification, hence all the gender pronouns
It's derogatory? I'm happy enough to update my vocabulary, I don't see the issue. Your point about the multitude of gender pronouns has no relevance, I'm speaking about my own vocabulary and about this specific slur, I don't feel comfortable using that word anymore now that I know that it hurts good people who don't deserve to feel like that. The english language is vast and it's not hard to apply some tact.
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I used to say it when I was younger, I didn't really think of it being *homonymous with a slur, when I realised it was I just stopped saying it, it wasn't that difficult
What makes it a slur? Not trying to be an asshole ...Serious question. And it’s not like the trans community is a monolith where they all prefer to be called the same classification, hence all the gender pronouns
No community is a monolith, you will find outliers and anomalies within any group. If a black person lets their white friend use the N-word does that mean everyone should be able to.
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I used to say it when I was younger, I didn't really think of it being *homonymous with a slur, when I realised it was I just stopped saying it, it wasn't that difficult
What makes it a slur? Not trying to be an asshole ...Serious question. And it’s not like the trans community is a monolith where they all prefer to be called the same classification, hence all the gender pronouns
No community is a monolith, you will find outliers and anomalies within any group. If a black person lets their white friend use the N-word does that mean everyone should be able to.
I’m black and I always tell black friends not to use it but they do anyways
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Wasn't sure due to being a new member if I'm authorized to start a new thread or not.
Basically, I have picked to resurrect this thread as I have a very stern viewpoint on the abbreviation for Transgender used in the title.......I am 100% fine with both uses of the term "TR*nny".
I have been banned and outcast from multiple digital groups AND more shocking.....REAL LIFE/DIGITAL support groups. I am aware in the U.S. the term "queer" is fully accepted BUT in the U.K. for people from my generation and older during the early 2000s and previous decades there word queer was....and still is considered a serious slur.
Because I have been constantly silenced within U.K. scenes and communities and blacklisted I have started an LGBTi Skateboarding group on Facebook.......this issue about the two terms mentioned ("Queer" and "TR*nny") has already been addressed in the group......someone apologised for using "queer" and myself and another member instantly reassures the member that there was no need to apologise for using the word queer in his post.........
We are all old enough to accept people have different opinions and accept these differences without falling out, persecuting or banning members........ after typing our apologies and this very paragraph you are reading.........the UK groups who have banned me......they are run by adults and I am totally baffled It's pathetic.
Anyway......cutting to the chase, here is the link to the LGBTi group I have founded. EVERYONE and ANYONE are welcome.......apart from biggots obviously.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2942775869338508/
Hopefully we will gain some new members from this post.
Take care.
Kayleigh Cullen aka MC Frou-Frou
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Let’s all agree to oppress anyone who calls tranny “vert” and call it a day