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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: maggotspawn on August 23, 2020, 07:36:21 AM
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This might be interesting.
State your weight, trucks, bushings, and what you skate.
175 lbs, Indy 169's, Bones hard top, stock bottom, mostly street.
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177 pounds. Thunder 148 hollow Lights. Bones mediums. Transition and curbs mainly.
Been considering switching back to stock bushings, these bones just fell apart on me. I've always just put bones in them right off the bat, any advice either way?
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82kg (you do the math Americans), Indy 144, Indy soft (88a) conical, flatground, low ledges and cruising mostly.
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200lbs
169 forged titanium
97a dlx supercush purple
neighborhood streets and curbs
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67 kg / 148 lbs
Indy 149 hollows
Indy black bushings 94a
Street skating in skatepark with beers 8)
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I'm bouta buck80, I'm rocking ace bushings in my 5.6 ventures no bottom washer.
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177 pounds. Thunder 148 hollow Lights. Bones mediums. Transition and curbs mainly.
Been considering switching back to stock bushings, these bones just fell apart on me. I've always just put bones in them right off the bat, any advice either way?
Just run the stock and don't over tighten the trucks
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160 lbs of ripped steel and raw sex appeal. 158 after I drop the kids of at the pool ifyouknowwhatimsaying.
Stocked out like a mother fucker.
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5.3 400lb
Ragu bushings
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135 lbs, regular Independent 159s, soft Bones, transition these days
I'm not liking this setup at all. They haven't mushed in and imploded yet, but there's no rebound to them. It's not coming back the way I like it. It feels lifeless. A delayed reaction. I don't know if that makes any sense.
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Buck 30, Indy soft conical bushings in 169s. Also run Supercush 88’s on some 149’s.
Mostly curbs, flat and and some transition now and then.
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On my various setups (all on Indy 149s):
1. Bones medium (91a)
2. Bones hard (96a)
3. Indy cylinder medium-hard (92a)
I’m 180 lbs (yo-yo between about 175 and 190). Skate curb, ledges, parks, some transition.
I liked Bones best straight out of the box, but they fuck up the geometry too much. Trying to break in the aftermarket Indy bushings right now.
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Thunder 147 standard and Indy 139 standard, have also used indy Ti forged. stock bushings. 175 lbs. small techy street stuff and carving bowls. no grinds other than slappy type stuff. I like trucks on the looser side, but prefer the back one relatively tight if I'm flipping the board.
I 100% make sure that when trucks are new, I spend a few days hitting paved trails and carving heavily on the board, even riding it backwards and carving more. I do this until the bushings break in.
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240 (down from 255)
Thunder 161 with mini logo medium bushings.
I skate everything but rails and stairs (unless the rail is flat and low and it’s 3 stairs or less)
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bone stock ass indy bushings, i learned to like them and its one less thing to buy/think about.
for the sake of adding to this thread, i have compared the size of brand new stage 11 indy bushings (not aftermarket) and brand new bones bushings with their respective typical washer configs. and as far as i could tell, the height of bones is near identical to indy's at the center of the bushing, that is the part closest to the hole intended to wrap around the kingpin; but the outer part of the bones bushings was significantly shorter than indys. basically the bones taper shorter to the outside where they contact the hanger, whereas the indys are flat throughout the contact points.
this plus the fact that they are conical are why they feel so different in indy trucks, not improper height.
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180ish. Thunder 151 lights. Stock top with washer, Indy 88 conical bottom without washer.
Ledges, curbs, walls, flat and occasionally transition in the form of diy.
Love Thunders, but need a little more give.
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thunder 148, 145 lbs
RipTide KranK Short Street Cone and Barrel 84a
try to skate everything, mostly skate ledges and transition
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60kg (130lb), Ace 66, stock bushings NO bottom washer
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185-190.. Bones mediums in anything Venture and black Indy bushings in Indys. Nut flush on everything. Street but mostly parks lately unfortunately.
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120lbs on a good day lmao, venture high 5.2, indy orange(i think theyre med), alot of transition as of late.
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140 lbs, indy 149s.
stock bushings
mainly skate curbs, ledges, banks, and hills, sometimes I'll hit up a park.
also have a slappy board with indy 159 forged hollows on it with stock purple venture bushings. they feel about the same, maybe a little tiny bit firmer, the stock orange bushings that came with them blew out, the purple bushings look cool in indys.
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169lb
3 year old Thunder Ti 149'ers with cast baseplate and inverted kingpin conversion
Blue 94a aftermarket Thunder bushings. Switched to a new set about a year ago after the first ones got shredded.
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ace 55s - stock bushing
indy 169 - top 94a black indy, bottom 90a stock orange
151s - stock bushing
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155lbs
Indy Titanium 144s w/ Riptides
Indy aftermarket 90a cylinder bushings (orange)
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195lbs. Stock Ace or stock Thunder. Nut flush. Skate low impact street, curbs, banks, flat etc. And a good amount of concrete parks. I like tight fucked up transitions and round wall.
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200lbs, Thunder 148 teams with stock upper bushings and Krux barrel bushings on the bottom. Kills the twitchiness and wheelbite Thunders are known for. I ride them medium/medium-loose and they feel like a lighter, turnier Venture. I also have stock 5.6’s on another set up but don’t use it as much.
I skate mainly manny pads, ledges, flat and banks. Low impact, old man stuff.
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175/180lbs, 88a or softer in everything (except Thunders, because non-industry stupid height bottom bushings).
Prefer conicals in everything but Venture and Indy.
Bones/Deluxe Bait and Tackle/Indy Aftermarkets/ACE (low tops reg bottoms); bones washers on top and bottom of all conicals, sleeved flat washers for barrels.
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170 lbs
Indy 139 Hollows
Aftermarket orange barrel bushings 90a, top bushing on the back truck is the blue one (92a ?)
I mostly skate curbs, banks, flat, tiny gaps, offroad spots and every supermarket parking lot I can find. ^^
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200lbs, Thunder 148 teams with stock upper bushings and Krux barrel bushings on the bottom. Kills the twitchiness and wheelbite Thunders are known for. I ride them medium/medium-loose and they feel like a lighter, turnier Venture. I also have stock 5.6’s on another set up but don’t use it as much.
I skate mainly manny pads, ledges, flat and banks. Low impact, old man stuff.
Gonna try this one out for my other setup
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182, Venture 5.8 v-lights, stock purples with flat washers top and bottom, nut flush with kingpin.
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80kg
Thunder 148 teams with stock board side and bones med road side (bones washer) - solid med/loose nut flush
- Going to try next with bones meds and stock washers top and bottom
Indy 149ti with bones hard, broken in good - solid med/loose nut flush
- Happy
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200lbs, Thunder 148 teams with stock upper bushings and Krux barrel bushings on the bottom. Kills the twitchiness and wheelbite Thunders are known for. I ride them medium/medium-loose and they feel like a lighter, turnier Venture. I also have stock 5.6’s on another set up but don’t use it as much.
I skate mainly manny pads, ledges, flat and banks. Low impact, old man stuff.
I've tried Thunders (and Theeve) with barrels before and couldn't stick with it, on thunders they just made them feel 'meh' to me; losing the native characteristics of Thunders, I'd rather just ride ventures with soft bushings and not worry about the stubby baseplate :P
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I usually go with Bones bushings in my thunders because I rarely have ever had them break on me. I’ve been running the stock thunder bushings and they’re just about full blown out and my board always gets stuck turning.
On an upside though, they don’t squeak and I seem to always get a bad squeak with Bones bushings.
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sad to say after a while of staying solid, im just gonna say fuck it and buy ace low bushings to go with the classic bottoms. need my trucks to still feel loose with the nut flush. huge pet peeve
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200 lbs venture 5.2 highs with the soft white conical Indy bushings. I went down to an 8.12 from 8.5 so Im running my trucks a little looser.
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72kg (158lbs)
I skate mostly flat, manuals and ledges.
Main setup: Theeve Tiax 5.5, Krux bushings (flat top and bottom washers).
Crusty street setup: Independent Forged Titanium 144, Medium do-doh's (flat top, no bottom washer)
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200 lbs, venture lo 5.0, bones hard, flat and curbs
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Just set up some ACE 44 for the first time
Didn't really feel the stock bushings. Gave them a few sessions to break in but it doesn't seem like it went the right way for me. Changed them for bones medium, feels better.
I'm confused because i read / heard people saying Ace stock bushings are really good and already broken in. Wasn't really my experience to be honest. Am i missing something ?
I come from Indys 144 Forged / stock bushings
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Just set up some ACE 44 for the first time
Didn't really feel the stock bushings. Gave them a few sessions to break in but it doesn't seem like it went the right way for me. Changed them for bones medium, feels better.
I'm confused because i read / heard people saying Ace stock bushings are really good and already broken in. Wasn't really my experience to be honest. Am i missing something ?
I come from Indys 144 Forged / stock bushings
Depends on what you are after, the dual duro combo of stock aces (softer bottom, harder top) is to give it a quick turn (soft bottom) and a quick snap back to center (harder top) combined is to give you that feeling of a really responsive turny truck (compared to that smooth arc Indy have).
Bones meds makes them a bit stiffer/snappy taking away from the carve...
I'd give the stocks a few more sessions to settle in or just fuck it and stay with bones meds if they are working.
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Makes sense
thanks for the clarification, i'll try aces again with that in mind.
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Just set up some ACE 44 for the first time
Didn't really feel the stock bushings. Gave them a few sessions to break in but it doesn't seem like it went the right way for me. Changed them for bones medium, feels better.
I'm confused because i read / heard people saying Ace stock bushings are really good and already broken in. Wasn't really my experience to be honest. Am i missing something ?
I come from Indys 144 Forged / stock bushings
Same. But I'm gonna keep at it for another couple sessions and see if they break in. Coming from Thunders
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To each his own
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5 10, 155, 10.5 shoe. I ride thunder 148 with stock bushings, but when they wear out I get bones medium. For all around at the park and some street ledges and bumps.
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Ace stock, I'm 130 lbs
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148 lbs. Mostly curbs, parks and DIYs.
Stock Ace in my 44s and 55s and stock Indys in my 149s and 159s. When the indy
bushings need replacing I go with the orange 90a indy aftermarkets conicals.
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200 lbs, 159 ti indy, bones hard, park
Edit: I just switched back to stock indy bushings and I think I was missing a little turn with bones hard. Beyond the obvious, that the stock bushings are softer but my actual turning radius before wheelbite seems better.
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200lbs Ace 44's stock bushings, no top washer. Used the Bones top washers on them for awhile but I wanted to turn even more so I took them off.
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Just set up some ACE 44 for the first time
Didn't really feel the stock bushings. Gave them a few sessions to break in but it doesn't seem like it went the right way for me. Changed them for bones medium, feels better.
I'm confused because i read / heard people saying Ace stock bushings are really good and already broken in. Wasn't really my experience to be honest. Am i missing something ?
I come from Indys 144 Forged / stock bushings
Are they the newer Ace's? I find their bottom bushing to be the greatest bushing formula ever, everything else feels like plastic now. I use Ace an bottom, stock top in any setup I have, except Krux I go Ace top and bottom (greatest turn ever). It's probably my post you read before, so maybe it's just me.
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Just set up some ACE 44 for the first time
Didn't really feel the stock bushings. Gave them a few sessions to break in but it doesn't seem like it went the right way for me. Changed them for bones medium, feels better.
I'm confused because i read / heard people saying Ace stock bushings are really good and already broken in. Wasn't really my experience to be honest. Am i missing something ?
I come from Indys 144 Forged / stock bushings
Are they the newer Ace's? I find their bottom bushing to be the greatest bushing formula ever, everything else feels like plastic now. I use Ace an bottom, stock top in any setup I have, except Krux I go Ace top and bottom (greatest turn ever). It's probably my post you read before, so maybe it's just me.
I don't think the newer ace's are available in Europe ( i don't think they are out anywhere else yet, correct me if i'm wrong).
But yeah i need to give these stock bushings another try, that's for sure
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Just bought some Indy Mids, and I’m having bushing problems.
I’m on the heavy side, weighing 190lbs. I ride my trucks medium.
The Mids come with the standard orange bushings, but I tighten them down as far as I could and they’re way too loose still. Either the kingpin hit the board, or the kingpin ran out of thread.
I swapped out the stock orange bushings for the Indy Hard bushings (black). They’re not bad, but I keep wanting to loosen them. The hard bushing just don’t have the responsiveness and bounce I like.
I would get the Indy Medium-Hard bushings (blue), but I can’t find them anywhere. Shorty’s Doh-Doh’s has some that are 92a, same as the Indy Medium-Hard.
Anyone have any advice or experience with this? Are Doh-Doh’s any good? Are they the same height as Indy bushings?
Thank you in advance!
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Just bought some Indy Mids, and I’m having bushing problems.
I’m on the heavy side, weighing 190lbs. I ride my trucks medium.
The Mids come with the standard orange bushings, but I tighten them down as far as I could and they’re way too loose still. Either the kingpin hit the board, or the kingpin ran out of thread.
I swapped out the stock orange bushings for the Indy Hard bushings (black). They’re not bad, but I keep wanting to loosen them. The hard bushing just don’t have the responsiveness and bounce I like.
I would get the Indy Medium-Hard bushings (blue), but I can’t find them anywhere. Shorty’s Doh-Doh’s has some that are 92a, same as the Indy Medium-Hard.
Anyone have any advice or experience with this? Are Doh-Doh’s any good? Are they the same height as Indy bushings?
Thank you in advance!
How long have you been skating the Indy black bushings? I hated them when I first got them but they felt great after breaking in (maybe took 2 weeks or so).
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75kg, indys 159 and either bones medium or indys conical medium. No bottom washer and top thin one
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indy aftermarket bushings in thunder 149s
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I would get the Indy Medium-Hard bushings (blue), but I can’t find them anywhere. Shorty’s Doh-Doh’s has some that are 92a, same as the Indy Medium-Hard.
Anyone have any advice or experience with this? Are Doh-Doh’s any good? Are they the same height as Indy bushings?
Thank you in advance!
I'm running 92a Doh-Doh's in titanium indy's, and they fit fine. They used to be the go-to alternative bushing back in the day. Krux are probably my favorite 92a bushings, though.
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143lbs / 65kg, probably single digit body fat.
Thunder 148 Titanium w/ Bones Medium
Venture V-Hollow 5.6 w/ Purple Bushings
My gear madness is bad enough as is, I'm not fucking around with my bushing.
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240, venture lo 5.2 or 5.0 depending on board, green super cush bearings. Flat, ledges, banks and gaps from time to time. No rails.
Once in a while I'll pop in my indy stage 7 for giggles. stock.
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Just purchased two sets of ace low and one set of ace classic bushings to use in any trucks I skate. The formula is just too good. I was running bones medium in my indy's and they started breaking off of the plastic piece about 5-6 sessions in.
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We’re in quarantine so I’m not weighing myself because I don’t need that negativity.
I’ve been running stock because there’s some magic to it.
Indy - 129(these feel harder than what I’m used to but I blame the size) and 169
Thunder - 151
Venture - 6.1 (Riptide pivot cups, swapped baseplate for one with a hollow kingpin)
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Indys with a bones hard on top and an Indy aftermarket hard on bottom, because for bones the bottom bushings always tends to mush out pretty quickly for me.
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205lbs
MiniLogo medium bushings, no washers, on Mini Logo trucks.
I’ve tried their hard and soft bushings and bones hardcore and medium core. ML mediums work the best for me.
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200 lbs
ace 55 stock
venture 6.1 with stock thunder low, ace top, riptide pivot cups
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150 lbs
5.8 Venture with Ace bushings, sanded down to fit.
Not sure how I feel about it but have skated them like that for a few months. Love Ace stock bushings in my Ace 55s but not sure I get the same feel on the Ventures, but at least is better than the stocks. Thinking of maybe trying some red soft indy bushings. Anyone tried those in Ventures?
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I wonder if age should be in there too (45).
190 lbs (about 86 kgs)
Indy standard 149s, sometimes stock just to feel them out or even cut the top down a mm but mostly switch straight out for the aftermarket Indy red 92 duro low head that came in the white box, which I bought a lifetime supply of before they changed to the new softer clear plastic containers for their bushings.
Skate mellow everything but more so transition nowdays, so still like loose trucks but stable enough not to wobble on an easy hill bomb, if that makes sense.
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Just bought some Indy Mids, and I’m having bushing problems.
I’m on the heavy side, weighing 190lbs. I ride my trucks medium.
The Mids come with the standard orange bushings, but I tighten them down as far as I could and they’re way too loose still. Either the kingpin hit the board, or the kingpin ran out of thread.
I swapped out the stock orange bushings for the Indy Hard bushings (black). They’re not bad, but I keep wanting to loosen them. The hard bushing just don’t have the responsiveness and bounce I like.
I would get the Indy Medium-Hard bushings (blue), but I can’t find them anywhere. Shorty’s Doh-Doh’s has some that are 92a, same as the Indy Medium-Hard.
Anyone have any advice or experience with this? Are Doh-Doh’s any good? Are they the same height as Indy bushings?
Thank you in advance!
How long have you been skating the Indy black bushings? I hated them when I first got them but they felt great after breaking in (maybe took 2 weeks or so).
I’ve had a couple sessions on them. They’re starting break in, but I’m still missing the rebound I had with the medium bushings. I feel like I’ll start to like them, but wanted other Pals opinions and seeing if anyone had any suggestions.
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I like the Bones medium bushings.
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I have Indy 139's, put the 92a blue conical bushings on there 1/4 turn looser than stock tightness and it is kind of nice actually. Curvin' and swervin' and they don't feel ridiculously loose. Would recommend.
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200 lbs
ace 55 stock
venture 6.1 with stock thunder low, ace top, riptide pivot cups
What size wheels do you use with the aces?
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200 lbs
ace 55 stock
venture 6.1 with stock thunder low, ace top, riptide pivot cups
What size wheels do you use with the aces?
55mm OG classics. No risers. Been solid, no crazy wheelbite. actually loosened them up a touch from stock (but is all “stock” the same?) to avoid the bushing-spilling-over the washer thing and they’ve been fine. Pretty stable. Like them just trying to adjust to the wb shift and pop
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128 lbs and stock indies with risers
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150 lbs. - 6 ft. tall
bones hards on back. bones meds on front. flat washers top + bottom and nuts flush on both trucks.
cruiser/retro setups are indy aftermarket blue 92 cylinders. depending on truck width, will use with different washer types for more/less resistance.
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150 stock purple venture bushings only
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6ft tall 188lb bones yellow (I think medium?) trucks that shake like crazy. Unfortunately adult life/injuries has me skating pretty much never so the loose surfy trucks aren’t that comfortable anymore. When I tighten them even a half turn I feel like I can’t even move so idk i’ll probably just quit
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switching over to indy 159s with my recent change to 8.75 decks. was running ace 55 stock before this. any suugestion on what bushings to run to get similar turn to aces? same duro on both? combine two different sets?
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77kg, recently went back to stock thunder bushings with my pair of 148s, after a short stint with orange conical indy bushings. washers on.
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Indy 144 ti w/ 90a barrel on the bottom and 92a cone on top.
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Stock. Everything stock.
Old-guy rant incoming...WTF is up with people and their custom truck tweaks? The more you tweak your trucks the more shit that will need to be adjusted over time and the more fucked you are when you can't find you special magic bushings at the shop. Stock bushings are fine if you run them with the stock tightness. Cranking them down just stresses the material before it is broken in and causes weak spots that eventually split. Also, rotate front/back every time you setup a new board.
I know a guy who is really particular about his trucks and is constantly fucking with them before he even starts skating. Little tight on the front little loose on the back...slam...little tight on the back little loose on the front...slam...swap bushings fiddle with trucks...slam...fiddle...slam...focus board sit down and pout. Indys/Thunder/Venture suck...as if it's not his balance that is the problem.
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switching over to indy 159s with my recent change to 8.75 decks. was running ace 55 stock before this. any suugestion on what bushings to run to get similar turn to aces? same duro on both? combine two different sets?
bones medium, no washer bottom, slim flat washer that comes with the bushings on top (i recently changed the other way around and coming from indy 159 + bones medium --> ace 55 stock felt no much of a difference to me) although that little extra turn you get on the aces does not exist with indy no matter what bushings you run em with
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82kg / 180lbs
Riding stock indy bushings. They were super loose at factory setting/flush so I cranked them down pretty good first day, been solid for almost a year but yesterday I noticed some cracks on one of them.
Are the orange 90a aftermarket indys closest to the stock ones? The description on some shop said they were for kids/ lighter riders..
Maybe I should go one duro harder like 92?
Also wanna add that i've had the hard black indys on a cruiser for 10 years and they somehow are in one piece still, a little deformed and super soft but still in one piece. Pretty impressive.
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Stock. Everything stock.
Old-guy rant incoming...WTF is up with people and their custom truck tweaks? The more you tweak your trucks the more shit that will need to be adjusted over time and the more fucked you are when you can't find you special magic bushings at the shop. Stock bushings are fine if you run them with the stock tightness. Cranking them down just stresses the material before it is broken in and causes weak spots that eventually split. Also, rotate front/back every time you setup a new board.
I know a guy who is really particular about his trucks and is constantly fucking with them before he even starts skating. Little tight on the front little loose on the back...slam...little tight on the back little loose on the front...slam...swap bushings fiddle with trucks...slam...fiddle...slam...focus board sit down and pout. Indys/Thunder/Venture suck...as if it's not his balance that is the problem.
It's cool for you that you like stock stuff. Some people on here go overboard but it's interesting since not everyone is the same. I put ace bushings in my trucks then I don't touch them and that works great for me so I do it. Hopefully that guy you know realizes he's worrying too much.
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82kg / 180lbs
Riding stock indy bushings. They were super loose at factory setting/flush so I cranked them down pretty good first day, been solid for almost a year but yesterday I noticed some cracks on one of them.
Are the orange 90a aftermarket indys closest to the stock ones? The description on some shop said they were for kids/ lighter riders..
Maybe I should go one duro harder like 92?
Also wanna add that i've had the hard black indys on a cruiser for 10 years and they somehow are in one piece still, a little deformed and super soft but still in one piece. Pretty impressive.
if you are cranking them down, i'd try going up at least to the blue 92's, maybe even the black 94's if you like tight trucks.
whatever you get try not to crank down on them for a couple of days, helps feel and cracking and crumbling later, imo.
did those black bushings you've come with the trucks? if they came new from indy in the trucks, they're 90a regardless of color.
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I'm about 165lbs, rocking the 94a Thunder replacement bushings on my Thunder 149 titaniums with cast baseplates. I've had these bushings in all of my Thunders in the past 15 years. Something about the durometer and the slightly translucent teal color really do it for me I guess.
Recently on my second set of these bushings on these trucks actually, because I've been skating these trucks for 3+ years and they are down to axel, but I just can't quit them...
(https://www.weareskaters.com/4430/thunder-90a-bushings.jpg)
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150 lbs
ACE 44
Stock Bushings
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210lbs
venture titanium 5.6
mini logo red hard bushings 100a
mainly park /some street
I like my trucks on the tighter side and love ventures for stability, mini logo bushings feel the best to me for ventures , i've tried bones hard, doh doh 100a and 98a, independent hard
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150 lbs + 6' tall
indys - bones hard on back + bones med on front
not indys - bones med on back + bones soft on front
always flat washers top + bottom
always nuts flush, or just a hair of threads showing
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82kg / 180lbs
Riding stock indy bushings. They were super loose at factory setting/flush so I cranked them down pretty good first day, been solid for almost a year but yesterday I noticed some cracks on one of them.
Are the orange 90a aftermarket indys closest to the stock ones? The description on some shop said they were for kids/ lighter riders..
Maybe I should go one duro harder like 92?
Also wanna add that i've had the hard black indys on a cruiser for 10 years and they somehow are in one piece still, a little deformed and super soft but still in one piece. Pretty impressive.
if you are cranking them down, i'd try going up at least to the blue 92's, maybe even the black 94's if you like tight trucks.
whatever you get try not to crank down on them for a couple of days, helps feel and cracking and crumbling later, imo.
did those black bushings you've come with the trucks? if they came new from indy in the trucks, they're 90a regardless of color.
Agreed with 92+ on the scale, which are still not actually that hard and seem almost softer than the stock bushings once they are nicely run in, as the stock ones seem to firm up after a few skates and get harder.
If you check your bushings and they are only a bit cracked on the outside, not right through, just turn them so the crack is closest to the pivot cup area and they should last a whole lot longer again. This has been the easiest solution for a lot of setups that didn't need new bushings really.
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I’m 175, ride venture 5.2 with bones soft bushings and mostly skate “street style” 8)
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I'm around 170 and run bones mediums in ventures with no top washer. They might be too soft for me.
I have some Indys and just tried to put 90a thunder bushings in them. I feel like the bushings are too big. Should I shave em, or put the thunder bushings on the ventures and the bones on the Indys?
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Overall I weirdly like stock bushings the best except for Indy and I put in the yellow aftermarkets. I dunno how, but all trucks left stock (nut flush with kingpin) end up working best. Tried Bones, Ace, Supercush, and aftermarket Thunder bushings and just never felt as good with any of them. I do have to periodically put in new Indy pivot cups
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I'm around 170 and run bones mediums in ventures with no top washer. They might be too soft for me.
I have some Indys and just tried to put 90a thunder bushings in them. I feel like the bushings are too big. Should I shave em, or put the thunder bushings on the ventures and the bones on the Indys?
Putting the thin flat washer that comes with bones bushings on top would make them not feel quite so soft, when done up the same.
Try different combos of normal thicker washer, thin flat bones washer or no washer and see how different it feels. It definitely makes a difference.
Thunder bushings take a minute to wear in nicely, but are the same height as standards so fit fine in Indy. If they feel too tight, even try the thin bones washer on top.
Lots of options, but I have cut the top bushing down about 1 mm quite often and it made it feel so much better.
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I'm around 170 and run bones mediums in ventures with no top washer. They might be too soft for me.
I have some Indys and just tried to put 90a thunder bushings in them. I feel like the bushings are too big. Should I shave em, or put the thunder bushings on the ventures and the bones on the Indys?
I weigh 175 and was running bones mediums in my ventures with the flat top washer but I switched to the bones hard bushings and they turn just as good but are more stable.
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Thank you @Mbrimson88 and @HumBoogie !!
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I'm around 170 and run bones mediums in ventures with no top washer. They might be too soft for me.
I have some Indys and just tried to put 90a thunder bushings in them. I feel like the bushings are too big. Should I shave em, or put the thunder bushings on the ventures and the bones on the Indys?
Got harder thunder bushings for a different set of trucks because of this comment. Thank you so much dude. I was starting to think I was getting worse but now I realize the bushings were too soft for me. Still in the break in stage so I wouldnt say they turn great yet, but are so much more stable which helped so much today.
Godbless you @HumBoogie!!.
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So I tried the black independent bushings and I liked them but I finally put the hard hardcore bones bushings back in and there is no better bushings for me.
I ride medium loose 159 indy titanium and am 200lbs for reference if any other big boys are going through bushing madness like I was.
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So I tried the black independent bushings and I liked them but I finally put the hard hardcore bones bushings back in and there is no better bushings for me.
I ride medium loose 159 indy titanium and am 200lbs for reference if any other big boys are going through bushing madness like I was.
Do you use any washers with them?
I know some people swear by no washers, but others swear by all the usual washers, which definitely makes a difference. All washers are a lot less likely to blow out the bushings too, oddly enough.
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I'm around 170 and run bones mediums in ventures with no top washer. They might be too soft for me.
I have some Indys and just tried to put 90a thunder bushings in them. I feel like the bushings are too big. Should I shave em, or put the thunder bushings on the ventures and the bones on the Indys?
Got harder thunder bushings for a different set of trucks because of this comment. Thank you so much dude. I was starting to think I was getting worse but now I realize the bushings were too soft for me. Still in the break in stage so I wouldnt say they turn great yet, but are so much more stable which helped so much today.
Godbless you @HumBoogie!!.
Glad I can be of assistance. I was going thru the same thing so I just decided giving harder bushings a try couldn't hurt and I'm glad I did.
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ACE on ACE
ACE on Indy
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So I tried the black independent bushings and I liked them but I finally put the hard hardcore bones bushings back in and there is no better bushings for me.
I ride medium loose 159 indy titanium and am 200lbs for reference if any other big boys are going through bushing madness like I was.
Do you use any washers with them?
I know some people swear by no washers, but others swear by all the usual washers, which definitely makes a difference. All washers are a lot less likely to blow out the bushings too, oddly enough.
I use the flat washers that come with the pack, so I don't have to tighten the kingpin past flush. I feel like if I don't use the flat washers on indys the bushing is just slightly small when my kingpin nut is flush.
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So I tried the black independent bushings and I liked them but I finally put the hard hardcore bones bushings back in and there is no better bushings for me.
I ride medium loose 159 indy titanium and am 200lbs for reference if any other big boys are going through bushing madness like I was.
Do you use any washers with them?
I know some people swear by no washers, but others swear by all the usual washers, which definitely makes a difference. All washers are a lot less likely to blow out the bushings too, oddly enough.
I use the flat washers that come with the pack, so I don't have to tighten the kingpin past flush. I feel like if I don't use the flat washers on indys the bushing is just slightly small when my kingpin nut is flush.
Yes, works perfectly for you then!
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Ace 55s stock
Indy 149 FH bones medium flat washer on top
Indy 169 stage 10 bones medium flat washer on top
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Before my hiatus I rode super tight trucks so when I got my new Indys this year I automatically tightened them like a madman and they got cut by the top washers after five minutes. ::)
I then copped Bones HC hard bushings (the white ones) and also tightened them like an eejit. One of them got deformed immediately. I returned them to the shop who gave me a new set but advised to roll looser trucks.
Which I do since, almost flush. It took a bit of getting used but I love the surfy turn now. For the moment at least. Might have to tighten them a bit more once I grow balls again to go faster than a snail. ;D
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Ive been using bones soft bushings in my venture 5.2 highs. Stable yet responsive and they snap back to center really well. Pop has been feeling on point lately
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I recently put on some aftermarket bushing for the first time ever. In the past I was much less picky about my setup but now I’m older and more employed, for better or worse.
Anyway:
150 lbs, bones soft in thunder 149s, mostly curbs and ledges, and I like a loose surfy turn
Anybody notice that the bones make a weird sort of “boi-oi-oing” bouncy sound/motion as they snap back to center? Maybe I just need to break them in more. Not sure they’re helping with my wheelbite either. Thunders maybe too damn low? But I’m using a 1/4” riser and 54mm wheels. Do I need to give in and tighten my trucks? Buy a set of Aces? Idk
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I recently put on some aftermarket bushing for the first time ever. In the past I was much less picky about my setup but now I’m older and more employed, for better or worse.
Anyway:
150 lbs, bones soft in thunder 149s, mostly curbs and ledges, and I like a loose surfy turn
Anybody notice that the bones make a weird sort of “boi-oi-oing” bouncy sound/motion as they snap back to center? Maybe I just need to break them in more. Not sure they’re helping with my wheelbite either. Thunders maybe too damn low? But I’m using a 1/4” riser and 54mm wheels. Do I need to give in and tighten my trucks? Buy a set of Aces? Idk
I use the hard bones on indys, nut almost flush and I do like the surfy turn as well. It's also forgiving on sketchy landings.
Anyhow, when I first put them on they made a loud clicking nose at every turn but it stopped after a session or two. Not sure that's what you mean.
I also use risers and never had any problems with wheelbite. My wheels are a bit smaller tho.
I would advise against tightening the bones. I did this when I first used them and one of them was immediately squashed, by which I mean that the plastic insert sunk into the bushing and deformed it. I guess those bones are not made for tightening.
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Indy's stock for me.
I change bushings in my tensor ATG's to bones medium after about six months
About The clicking noise in Bones bushings ..
like many of us I put wax shavings in the pivot cup, I also rub wax any friction points the
Plastic rings on the bushings, the flat bones washers etc..
When I ride other people's boards I can hear so many noises coming from their trucks now it's very distracting
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Thoughts moving from stock Indy 90a cylinder bushings to the black hard Indy 94a conical bushings? Less stable because they’re conical? But they’re harder ..
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Thoughts moving from stock Indy 90a cylinder bushings to the black hard Indy 94a conical bushings? Less stable because they’re conical? But they’re harder ..
How much thread do you have out the top of the stock? If 2+ threads showing, they will be perfect just sitting right on top, or if you want them a bit tighter, it will work well.
If you do find them too tight, you can always cut off a mm from the top bushing and that should be just perfect.
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I have the Indy blue 92a conical bushings with the nut flush to the kingpin. Turny, but not too out of control.
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I have the Indy blue 92a conical bushings with the nut flush to the kingpin. Turny, but not too out of control.
in which Indy, and your weight? Considering 94a
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I have the Indy blue 92a conical bushings with the nut flush to the kingpin. Turny, but not too out of control.
139s, 162lbs. I could probably do with orange cylinders, but this is just what I ended up on somehow and i don't hate it.
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I recently put on some aftermarket bushing for the first time ever. In the past I was much less picky about my setup but now I’m older and more employed, for better or worse.
Anyway:
150 lbs, bones soft in thunder 149s, mostly curbs and ledges, and I like a loose surfy turn
Anybody notice that the bones make a weird sort of “boi-oi-oing” bouncy sound/motion as they snap back to center? Maybe I just need to break them in more. Not sure they’re helping with my wheelbite either. Thunders maybe too damn low? But I’m using a 1/4” riser and 54mm wheels. Do I need to give in and tighten my trucks? Buy a set of Aces? Idk
I use the hard bones on indys, nut almost flush and I do like the surfy turn as well. It's also forgiving on sketchy landings.
Anyhow, when I first put them on they made a loud clicking nose at every turn but it stopped after a session or two. Not sure that's what you mean.
I also use risers and never had any problems with wheelbite. My wheels are a bit smaller tho.
I would advise against tightening the bones. I did this when I first used them and one of them was immediately squashed, by which I mean that the plastic insert sunk into the bushing and deformed it. I guess those bones are not made for tightening.
Indy's stock for me.
I change bushings in my tensor ATG's to bones medium after about six months
About The clicking noise in Bones bushings ..
like many of us I put wax shavings in the pivot cup, I also rub wax any friction points the
Plastic rings on the bushings, the flat bones washers etc..
When I ride other people's boards I can hear so many noises coming from their trucks now it's very distracting
Update: made my girlfriend a cruiser for her birthday and put some new Indy 149s on it... as soon as I tried it I instantly remembered why I liked Indies so much in the past. Bought myself a pair right after. Wheelbite almost completely fixed. I get about the same height with a 1/8” riser (instead of 1/4” on the Thunders). Didn’t even need to adjust em at all.
So I guess the moral of the story is this: if you have a wheelbite problem on Thunders, one way of solving it is to throw them out and buy Indies. Might not work or be an option for everyone, but I’m psyched.
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What durometer is the Indy stock bushing? That’s what I’m riding but I have a pair that needs an update.
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What durometer is the Indy stock bushing? That’s what I’m riding but I have a pair that needs an update.
Almost all normal current trucks are supposed to be 90 duro, regardless of the colour, the only ones seemingly harder were the dark deep red, almost burgundy colour that were in some pro versions, but I cannot remember which ones, something that had a lot of black on them though.
Stock bushings are a touch softer, but still work fine, if not better as replacements and come in red 88 soft, orange 90 medium, blue 92 medium hard, black 94 hard. There are white 78 super soft and yellow 96 super hard too, but you would not need to worry about those.
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Hey Folks.
A few questions.
Has anyone ever tryed Indy aftermarket conicals in 148 Thunders , forged baseplate ? If so, do they fit ? Did you use the washers ?
And do they fuck with the thunder geometry ?
I can't find any measurements for them. Would love to know.
My setup atm.
172 lbs
Indy 139 Hollow Forged
Bones Hard Bushings, bones washer on top.
Nut flush.
But i wanna go away from bones in the future.
I blow the bottom ones out every 3 month or so..
Also i wanna try me some 148 thunders but i know the stock bushings are way to soft for me. That's why I ask.
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Weird timing, but I was thinking of doing this and mocked it up today. They are identical in height and top width. The Thunders are a mm or two narrower at the bottom, so it's a non-issue overall.
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Classic orange Indy stocks
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Finally found the perfect setup for my Indy 169's.
Bone hard bottom, medium top, stock top washer.
Locknut flush. Worked great at the park today.
I weigh 185 BTW.
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Classic orange Indy stocks
with what? Thunder? The conical bottom doesn’t fit in thunder washers which have cylinder bottoms.
Anywhere to find thunder aftermarket bushings atm? 92 or 95?
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Weird timing, but I was thinking of doing this and mocked it up today. They are identical in height and top width. The Thunders are a mm or two narrower at the bottom, so it's a non-issue overall.
Interesting, thanks for the Info !
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Classic orange Indy stocks
Anywhere to find thunder aftermarket bushings atm? 92 or 95?
Indy on Indy
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Weird timing, but I was thinking of doing this and mocked it up today. They are identical in height and top width. The Thunders are a mm or two narrower at the bottom, so it's a non-issue overall.
indy aftermarket fit in thunder forged but not thunder team?
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Bones med top, stock bottom in venture 6.1’s. The bones are blown out and I’m about to try red Indy aftermarket with the flat washer that comes with bones on top and retain the stock ventures on bottom.
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Weird timing, but I was thinking of doing this and mocked it up today. They are identical in height and top width. The Thunders are a mm or two narrower at the bottom, so it's a non-issue overall.
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Anywhere to find thunder aftermarket bushings atm? 92 or 95?
Thunder bushing packs might be a bit scarce right now, but the Thunder rebuild kits are everywhere, or at least they are still available in almost every shop I have seen. They are 90 Red, 95 Blue and 100 Black in the rebuild kits.
Sure they have coloured nuts and washers (which I am not at all into) but they have the bushings and pivot cups too, which all work in any truck, as well as Thunders.
Any Indy bushings will work in any truck as well, but you might find they feel different between the cylinder and conical. If they are cylinder, they have the wider bottom washer (always included in the indy bushing pack) and will still work just as well. They come in very soft 78 (white), soft 88 (red), medium 90 (orange), medium hard 92 (blue), hard 94 (black) and very hard 96 (yellow).
The only issues you are going to have is how loose or tight your trucks end up, eg get the wrong bushings are you are going to be loosey goosey on soft ones or trucks do not turn at all on hard ones, depending how you ride them, but also on weight, truck configuration, etc.
Standard bushings are about 90 duro, just to give a fair comparison anyway.
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for my shitty ass ankles: stage 7, 8, 10, and 11 independents need the stock independent bushings or something similiar............nobody in their right mind willingly skates stage 9s, those things fucking suck. og ventures get the 88a doh dohs. thunders get the bones soft. as long as i have that, im happy.
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Weird timing, but I was thinking of doing this and mocked it up today. They are identical in height and top width. The Thunders are a mm or two narrower at the bottom, so it's a non-issue overall.
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Anywhere to find thunder aftermarket bushings atm? 92 or 95?
Thunder bushing packs might be a bit scarce right now, but the Thunder rebuild kits are everywhere, or at least they are still available in almost every shop I have seen. They are 90 Red, 95 Blue and 100 Black in the rebuild kits.
Sure they have coloured nuts and washers (which I am not at all into) but they have the bushings and pivot cups too, which all work in any truck, as well as Thunders.
Any Indy bushings will work in any truck as well, but you might find they feel different between the cylinder and conical. If they are cylinder, they have the wider bottom washer (always included in the indy bushing pack) and will still work just as well. They come in very soft 78 (white), soft 88 (red), medium 90 (orange), medium hard 92 (blue), hard 94 (black) and very hard 96 (yellow).
The only issues you are going to have is how loose or tight your trucks end up, eg get the wrong bushings are you are going to be loosey goosey on soft ones or trucks do not turn at all on hard ones, depending how you ride them, but also on weight, truck configuration, etc.
Standard bushings are about 90 duro, just to give a fair comparison anyway.
aren’t Indy barrel bottoms 13? And thunder cylinder bottoms 14mm tall? Were just discussing bushing sizing in the ace thread. I’m over it haha
I’m 200lbs so a harder bushing I ride them nut flush. Stock thunder and indy feel pretty wobbly to me stock/flush, without any break in.
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I skate Bones Hardcore Hards on my Tensor Maglights ATG really love them and they carvy and stable
Im also a 120kg or 260LBS lol
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aren’t Indy barrel bottoms 13? And thunder cylinder bottoms 14mm tall? Were just discussing bushing sizing in the ace thread. I’m over it haha
I’m 200lbs so a harder bushing I ride them nut flush. Stock thunder and indy feel pretty wobbly to me stock/flush, without any break in.
So I thought I would measure the ones I have here (and I know others have already done it too) but this is how it is, for total height, top bushing and bottom bushings. I notice some other measurements are different to these, but this is what all of these bushings are (new in pack / on truck) here and now.
Ace stock
Total 25 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Thunder stock and aftermarket (same)
Total 23.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Indy stock and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical)
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Venture were the same as Indy when I had them lined up side by side from the other time I did this and I seem to recall Bones were lower by a mm in the bottom, but didn't get either of those out to check this time.
I also use the Indy low head bushings, which are about 2-3 mm lower than the regular heads, so give you an extra couple of mm kingpin nut clearance for the same tightness, which is how I ride mine, 24-25 mm in total bushing height.
The most interesting thing is apart from Ace which are taller overall (but softer), Thunder and Indy are the same height, just Indy being 1 mm lower in body which allows more turn with any truck you use them on. Tried Thunder 90 duro stock bushings in regular Indy trucks with stock 90s and vice versa and yes they turn a little different, but I can still get any of these trucks to skate well with any of the bushings I have in them, the nut just one thread showing on the kingpin, so fairly loose but not too loose. I am maybe 185 lbs, but always use risers on any lower truck like Thunder, so they are closer to 54 mm height, no risers on the Indys.
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I’m 115 lbs and I have 3 different setups. Ok setup #1 I skate venture 5.2 high v-lights with Indy super soft white bushings. On setup #2 I ride Indy 139 forged hollow with bones mediums, no bottom washer. And on setup 3 I ride thunder 145 forged hollow with stock green thunder bushings. I mainly skate ledges, curbs and manual pads.
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aren’t Indy barrel bottoms 13? And thunder cylinder bottoms 14mm tall? Were just discussing bushing sizing in the ace thread. I’m over it haha
I’m 200lbs so a harder bushing I ride them nut flush. Stock thunder and indy feel pretty wobbly to me stock/flush, without any break in.
So I thought I would measure the ones I have here (and I know others have already done it too) but this is how it is, for total height, top bushing and bottom bushings. I notice some other measurements are different to these, but this is what all of these bushings are (new in pack / on truck) here and now.
Ace stock
Total 25 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Thunder stock and aftermarket (same)
Total 23.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Indy stock and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical)
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Venture were the same as Indy when I had them lined up side by side from the other time I did this and I seem to recall Bones were lower by a mm in the bottom, but didn't get either of those out to check this time.
I also use the Indy low head bushings, which are about 2-3 mm lower than the regular heads, so give you an extra couple of mm kingpin nut clearance for the same tightness, which is how I ride mine, 24-25 mm in total bushing height.
The most interesting thing is apart from Ace which are taller overall (but softer), Thunder and Indy are the same height, just Indy being 1 mm lower in body which allows more turn with any truck you use them on. Tried Thunder 90 duro stock bushings in regular Indy trucks with stock 90s and vice versa and yes they turn a little different, but I can still get any of these trucks to skate well with any of the bushings I have in them, the nut just one thread showing on the kingpin, so fairly loose but not too loose. I am maybe 185 lbs, but always use risers on any lower truck like Thunder, so they are closer to 54 mm height, no risers on the Indys.
Much appreciated mate !
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Ace low bushings in Venture 5.6. Works well for the winter but I'll probably switch back to stock once the weather starts warming back up.
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I’m also a full convert to ace bushings in all trucks. Best feeling bushings I’ve ever ridden and they’re nice and quiet. I always blow out Indy stock bushings and bones bushings. Ordered some ace low bushings and some venture 5.6 and I’m hyped to set them up
Just got a set of bones hardcores for a secondary setup and they aren’t terrible but they are even harder feeling than I expected and I’m 200lbs.
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aren’t Indy barrel bottoms 13? And thunder cylinder bottoms 14mm tall? Were just discussing bushing sizing in the ace thread. I’m over it haha
I’m 200lbs so a harder bushing I ride them nut flush. Stock thunder and indy feel pretty wobbly to me stock/flush, without any break in.
So I thought I would measure the ones I have here (and I know others have already done it too) but this is how it is, for total height, top bushing and bottom bushings. I notice some other measurements are different to these, but this is what all of these bushings are (new in pack / on truck) here and now.
Ace stock
Total 25 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 13 mm
ace stock measurements there don't match either ace lo or ace classic bushing sets?
time to back away from this thread...
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aren’t Indy barrel bottoms 13? And thunder cylinder bottoms 14mm tall? Were just discussing bushing sizing in the ace thread. I’m over it haha
I’m 200lbs so a harder bushing I ride them nut flush. Stock thunder and indy feel pretty wobbly to me stock/flush, without any break in.
So I thought I would measure the ones I have here (and I know others have already done it too) but this is how it is, for total height, top bushing and bottom bushings. I notice some other measurements are different to these, but this is what all of these bushings are (new in pack / on truck) here and now.
Ace stock
Total 25 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 13 mm
time to back away from this thread...
That was what was on the Ace 66s I have, new unused. I know I have seen some that say they are 14 mm bottoms, and these could have been 13.5 mm but definitely not 14 mm.
Either way, I am not worried. I skate them, I tighten them as needed once they wear in a bit and then I don't need to mess with them at all after that.
Did you get those other bushings from Buttfart from the other thread?
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Lately I've been using two of the bottom blue Bones bushings in my Ace 22s. Need two packs of blue Bones to do it. Flat washer on top. I just shelve the short Bones bushings, which leave way too much kingpin showing on Aces.
In my 33s, which are on my cruiser, I use a Mini-Logo green on the bottom, and a bottom blue Bones bushing on top. Flat or sleeved barrel washer on bottom, Bones flat washer on top. It feels like a more stable, deeper carving version of the above arrangement, especially with a riser pad.
Stock Ace bushings are way too tight for me.
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^i've been kinda debating going down to a super small board like a 7.75 and some Ace 22's, but i skate mainly tranny and curbs and wonder if it will suck having not much truck to grind.
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I got some washers and 95 bushings from a thunder rebuild kit on my venture 5.6's.
I have indy 94 bushings on some old Indys.
I got tired of wheel bite and constantly feeling like I needed to balance on a beam before I pop, and when I land. Tricks definitely became more consistent, but I don't turn super sharp. I'll take it tho. I'm about 170-180. I just started riding 54s with ventures and might wheel bite here and there but that's usually when I'm landing super shitty anyways
Anytime I use stock, I blow em out or they get too soft for me and I wb all the time.
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I got some washers and 95 bushings from a thunder rebuild kit on my venture 5.6's.
I have indy 94 bushings on some old Indys.
I got tired of wheel bite and constantly feeling like I needed to balance on a beam before I pop, and when I land. Tricks definitely became more consistent, but I don't turn super sharp. I'll take it tho. I'm about 170-180. I just started riding 54s with ventures and might wheel bite here and there but that's usually when I'm landing super shitty anyways
Anytime I use stock, I blow em out or they get too soft for me and I wb all the time.
I weigh the same and was having the same problems. Bones hards saved my life. Stable and turny. And they don't freeze in the cold.
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^i've been kinda debating going down to a super small board like a 7.75 and some Ace 22's, but i skate mainly tranny and curbs and wonder if it will suck having not much truck to grind.
7.75 doesn’t seem super small to me. It seems right. But I’m a small man. My shoe size is 7-7.5 US. The average US man is size 9 or something?
I put three speed rings inside my 22s and it’s more than enough space to grind for me, even with wide wheels. I skate the same kind of stuff as you
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^i've been kinda debating going down to a super small board like a 7.75 and some Ace 22's, but i skate mainly tranny and curbs and wonder if it will suck having not much truck to grind.
7.75 doesn’t seem super small to me. It seems right. But I’m a small man. My shoe size is 7-7.5 US. The average US man is size 9 or something?
I put three speed rings inside my 22s and it’s more than enough space to grind for me, even with wide wheels. I skate the same kind of stuff as you
Did someone say 7.75!?
I like that size, I wear size 10 shoes, skate whatever, not well. Mostly flat and lately some curbs.
Currently skating 5.0 lo’s, but always looking at 22s. Shit I’m really looking at t-109s after that Atchley Satori wheels cruiser video.
Anyways narrow trucks are fun.
Bushing wise I usually ride stock stuff, like ace bushing well enough. In ventures I’ll sometimes do bones, have used all colors, actually like the Garda, just loosened as much as possible. With lo’s, the kingpin nut is already in the way of grinding, so that kinda sucks.
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Switched the stock bushings of my thunder 148s with Film Truck medium bushings 91a. They feel great so far.
Bottom bushings have the same dimensions. Top bushings are 1 mm taler and they have this cone shape thing on the inner side.
"FILM‘s bushings include an insert on the top cone which aims to do the same job a spherical bearing does on CNC trucks – namely keeping the kingpin central in the hangar.
Have you ever been on a truck and felt a slight deadzone, where the truck leans but doesn’t turn? These should help eliminate that."
They look like this :
https://offsetskatesupply.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/FILM-Bushings-Hard.jpg (https://offsetskatesupply.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/FILM-Bushings-Hard.jpg)
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Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.
From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.
Low Bushing Set
Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness
Classic Bushing Set
Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness
As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:
Ace low
Total 22 mm
Top 10 mm
Bottom 12 mm
Ace classic
Total 26 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Venture stock 94a
Total 22.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
* Added Venture in here as well.
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Bones hards
(https://i.ibb.co/5rmYLdK/1614086734681531284493835020289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5rmYLdK)
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Bones hards
(https://i.ibb.co/5rmYLdK/1614086734681531284493835020289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5rmYLdK)
Same, bones Hards. Theyre underrated imo.
You don't have to squish them nearly as much as Mediums to get to a good turn without wheelbite. Theyre not just for tight truck skaters like they seem
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Same, bones Hards. Theyre underrated imo.
You don't have to squish them nearly as much as Mediums to get to a good turn without wheelbite. Theyre not just for tight truck skaters like they seem
Just got a pair that I threw into my small setup and they turn much better than I even expected. I’m not a tight truck skater and once I popped the washers off they felt great
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Bones hard in venture and indy stock? But do thunder need a double top washer bc of the shorter top bushing height?
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Bones hards
(https://i.ibb.co/5rmYLdK/1614086734681531284493835020289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5rmYLdK)
Same, bones Hards. Theyre underrated imo.
You don't have to squish them nearly as much as Mediums to get to a good turn without wheelbite. Theyre not just for tight truck skaters like they seem
Exactly. They are perfect for a good turn and stable as well. I'll stick with these for now on.
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Bones hards
(https://i.ibb.co/5rmYLdK/1614086734681531284493835020289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5rmYLdK)
Same, bones Hards. Theyre underrated imo.
You don't have to squish them nearly as much as Mediums to get to a good turn without wheelbite. Theyre not just for tight truck skaters like they seem
Just got a pair that I threw into my small setup and they turn much better than I even expected. I’m not a tight truck skater and once I popped the washers off they felt great
Yeah I ride mine a little looser than medium and I can keep them flush for a perfect turn. Once they broke in a little bit they felt perfect.
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I used to skate bones exclusively but the last couple years I've been running stock bushings and they're fine. Blown out stock bushings are kinda my favorite
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Just the good old stock Thunder bushings. Honestly after all this time I just wear them in once every year or so when I get a new pair and I'm good.
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Not sure if this has been asked before but any tips regarding bushings that won't turn because of cold?
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Not sure if this has been asked before but any tips regarding bushings that won't turn because of cold?
Those Pals who live in snow and ice have recommended Bones bushings I have read in other threads, as they don't harden up in cold conditions the way other brands do.
How cold does it get in the southern Americas?
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Not sure if this has been asked before but any tips regarding bushings that won't turn because of cold?
Those Pals who live in snow and ice have recommended Bones bushings I have read in other threads, as they don't harden up in cold conditions the way other brands do.
How cold does it get in the southern Americas?
Not that much, like 5⁰C in rough days.
As reference:
(https://i.imgur.com/hbute7Al.jpg)
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Hard Bones.
I used to rock hard doh doh's before Bones. Tried hard Indy's once to save a bit of money but they blew out in a week. They're pricy bushings but I'm pretty hesitant to try anything else at this point. Bones kind of feel instantly broken in to me as well.
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I bought some doh dohs on a whim. They are so squeaky. Any one have tips to get rid of that? Do I just need to break them in?
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I bought some doh dohs on a whim. They are so squeaky. Any one have tips to get rid of that? Do I just need to break them in?
Put a small bit of dish soap or bearing lube on them. Just a tiny bit, otherwise they’ll get all gunked up. I do it for my bushings, washers, KP and pivot
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I bought some doh dohs on a whim. They are so squeaky. Any one have tips to get rid of that? Do I just need to break them in?
See if it is not the pivot cup squeaking more than the bushings, but either way quite a few people will put a drop of lube or something else like wax shavings in the pivot cup, on the surfaces of the bushings to the washers or the hanger and more often than not, they say it works. Just wipe off the excess if you have drips or streaks.
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graphite lube is the ultimate solution for pivot cup/bushing squeak. you can grind up pencil lead if you don't have any.
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Ace stock bottom with a precision washer, Bones hard top with flat bones washer in my Ace 44's currently. Diggin' it 8)
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graphite lube is the ultimate solution for pivot cup/bushing squeak. you can grind up pencil lead if you don't have any.
I tried it, and it didn’t work for me. Still was squeaking, so I went back to dishsoap/speed cream
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Anyone else having problems with Indy 94A conical bushings? Thought I should try these instead of Bones Hard, which are always a pain to break in (even though I love them once broken in). The Indy bushings turn more nicely right away but don't rebound well, i.e. if I bail a landed trick they'll just stay skewed. Kind of weird for hard bushings I think? I mean I am 210 lbs but still.
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Anyone else having problems with Indy 94A conical bushings? Thought I should try these instead of Bones Hard, which are always a pain to break in (even though I love them once broken in). The Indy bushings turn more nicely right away but don't rebound well, i.e. if I bail a landed trick they'll just stay skewed. Kind of weird for hard bushings I think? I mean I am 210 lbs but still.
Yeah mine are doing the same thing. Now I feel it pulling to the right when I'm setting up for tricks.
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5'-6" 165#
8.25" Indy hollows with mini logo medium
8" Indy thrasher model with Indy blue 92? Duro. Me bed to the blues from some well worn Indy orange.
I prefer looser trucks with medium/stiff bushings so the mini logos are my jam. The blues just feel a bit more unstable. If they were all I had I wouldn't care. It's not much difference and might all be in my head or due to the difference in truck width.
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Anyone else having problems with Indy 94A conical bushings? Thought I should try these instead of Bones Hard, which are always a pain to break in (even though I love them once broken in). The Indy bushings turn more nicely right away but don't rebound well, i.e. if I bail a landed trick they'll just stay skewed. Kind of weird for hard bushings I think? I mean I am 210 lbs but still.
Yeah, it’s pretty annoying. I am currently trying to (re)learn flip tricks and I feel it’s making it harder to experiment with foot positions while keeping balance. I am going to try stock bushings again before going back to Bones Hard.
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Anyone else having problems with Indy 94A conical bushings? Thought I should try these instead of Bones Hard, which are always a pain to break in (even though I love them once broken in). The Indy bushings turn more nicely right away but don't rebound well, i.e. if I bail a landed trick they'll just stay skewed. Kind of weird for hard bushings I think? I mean I am 210 lbs but still.
Yeah, it’s pretty annoying. I am currently trying to (re)learn flip tricks and I feel it’s making it harder to experiment with foot positions while keeping balance. I am going to try stock bushings again before going back to Bones Hard.
I got tired of the same thing so I went back to bones hard.
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Bones hard bushings on all my recent setups (for reference I'm about 195lbs right now). They're just so good right out of the box and they last a long time too.
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Bones hard bushings on all my recent setups (for reference I'm about 195lbs right now). They're just so good right out of the box and they last a long time too.
Just tried a new set of Bones hard the other day instead of the black Indy conical that I didn't like, and on top of the notorious squeaking the plastic insert was hitting the kingpin so hard that I could feel it under my feet, almost like a kingpin breaking. I'll now try the super hard yellow Indys cylinders. Someone recommended the blue Indys cylinders but they are way too soft for me.
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Been trying to ride stock as much as possible. Really like Ace and Thunder stock. Can't ride anything harder than 90a and I'm 200lbs.
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Just my experience, but I found the Indy 96a yellows to be unrideable. They're just way harder than one would expect.
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Just my experience, but I found the Indy 96a yellows to be unrideable. They're just way harder than one would expect.
I’ll try to mix and match, too. Really keen on finding a combination that feels OK right out of the box. Something reproducible. I have a setup that I ride in bowls and ramps with fully broken in Bones hard, they feel perfect for that. But on my street setup they would be too soft for me, and breaking them in like that has been hit or miss in the past. Sometimes they’d never feel right.
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After all thunder stock bushings got mashed up. Independent 88a conical with 1-2 mm cut of from the top bushing in thunders with DLK. The top is now a hair lower then stock thunders, bottoms have the same height. Nut slightly less than flush. I would say it is medium. Turns good but still stable. The rebound was not existing in the first weak now it is great.
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I'm 5'11 and 162 pounds or 72kg. I've got two set ups. One has 5.85 Theeve CSX with bones medium bushings and the other has 149 Thunder highs with stock bushings. I commute, ride tranny and park most days. I've skated Indy, Tensor Mags and Mini logo trucks and preferred bones medium bushings over the stock bushings on each set up. I prefer the Theeve trucks over all the other trucks I've tried. They tend to chew through the bones bushings, which I think way be due to the elliptical shape of the hanger's eye - the hole the kingpin goes through.
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As soon as I found out Indy made Conical shaped bushings, not just Barrel, it was a game changer for me. Before that I only knew Bones to do conical botttoms.
Lately I've been running 92 Conicals and I don’t have to loosen the nuts as much to get the same response and carve that I had with the barrel. Sooo much nicer.
TL;DR - Conical Indy bushings give more response than Barrel without having to change the Duro.
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Bones hard bushings on all my recent setups (for reference I'm about 195lbs right now). They're just so good right out of the box and they last a long time too.
Just tried a new set of Bones hard the other day instead of the black Indy conical that I didn't like, and on top of the notorious squeaking the plastic insert was hitting the kingpin so hard that I could feel it under my feet, almost like a kingpin breaking. I'll now try the super hard yellow Indys cylinders. Someone recommended the blue Indys cylinders but they are way too soft for me.
I get this too (insert hitting kingpin), I call it “popping”. Im skating Bones mediums and I am fat as hell. I already blew a top bushing up and the other ones are starting to squirt out and will be toast soon.
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Bones hard bushings on all my recent setups (for reference I'm about 195lbs right now). They're just so good right out of the box and they last a long time too.
Just tried a new set of Bones hard the other day instead of the black Indy conical that I didn't like, and on top of the notorious squeaking the plastic insert was hitting the kingpin so hard that I could feel it under my feet, almost like a kingpin breaking. I'll now try the super hard yellow Indys cylinders. Someone recommended the blue Indys cylinders but they are way too soft for me.
I think I figured it out. In my case it wasn’t the plastic inserts but the Bones washers (I use one underneath the bottom bushing, and one underneath the nut).
When using Indy washers, the clicking/popping is gone completely. There must be too much clearance around the Bones washer or something.
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I put my bones hard that I used for a few months on my thunders with no washer, nut is slightly past flush, and it feels awful. really tight and wheel bite simultaneously
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6'4 about 180 pounds
Running Venture 5.6 standards with Ace bushings. (Bottom and top shaved down slightly)
Normal bottom washer and bones top washer.
I really love this setup, I keep the kingpin nut flush and can swerve with one foot while having no rattle and still keeping solid rebound so my board stays straight while feeling pretty loose.
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Yup, the flat washer digs into the hanger right at wheelbite with the stock bushings just like Ventures. Remove the washer and it's bite city.
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With my tensor maglights and bones hard bushings, I reuse the tensor top washer and run no bottom washer. No major problems here.
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stock
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Clear dlx supercush, Indy stage x 169, nut flush with the top of the kingpin. I think this is my favorite truck/bushing combo.
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Clear dlx supercush, Indy stage x 169, nut flush with the top of the kingpin. I think this is my favorite truck/bushing combo.
Are the supercush higher quality than what comes with DLX trucks stock?
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Anyone know where I can buy replacement Ace bushings? My fat ass somehow pushed the bushings into the washers and they got all sliced up. Thanks.
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Anyone know where I can buy replacement Ace bushings? My fat ass somehow pushed the bushings into the washers and they got all sliced up. Thanks.
Saw you posted this in the Ace thread. They'll be back in stock soon I imagine, but if you keep having trouble PM me and I can send you some from one of the locals that doesn't do mail-order.
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Anyone know where I can buy replacement Ace bushings? My fat ass somehow pushed the bushings into the washers and they got all sliced up. Thanks.
Saw you posted this in the Ace thread. They'll be back in stock soon I imagine, but if you keep having trouble PM me and I can send you some from one of the locals that doesn't do mail-order.
Bless you. Oddly enough, I'm going on vacation and decided to look up local shops in the area. And luckily enough their site says they have some in stock. If that doesn't work out for me, I'll most def hit you up.
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Any words about minilogo bushings?
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Any words about minilogo bushings?
They're good. Bottom is the same height as Ace classic bottom, Top is the same size as an Indy top. I've skated the orange ones and they held up nicely.
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stock muthafuckin thunders, don't be a baby. Bones' bushings are trash and split, crack, and melt way too fast for a slightly better rebound.
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Any words about minilogo bushings?
They're good. Bottom is the same height as Ace classic bottom, Top is the same size as an Indy top. I've skated the orange ones and they held up nicely.
Great, I was asking for friend from Argentina. Super hard to get stuff in there because of the crazy prices they have on imported goodies and he needs bushings so good news for him.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bones softs are the best bushings for Ventures.
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Anyone know where I can buy replacement Ace bushings? My fat ass somehow pushed the bushings into the washers and they got all sliced up. Thanks.
Saw you posted this in the Ace thread. They'll be back in stock soon I imagine, but if you keep having trouble PM me and I can send you some from one of the locals that doesn't do mail-order.
Bought a few sets from APB when I was in Hawaii. Haha. Had to fly over the ocean to get what I needed.
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165 lbs, thunder team 148, stock so far
I just blew out my bushings, and I'm a little lost about what to try next. I'm kind of new, so I prefer stability. I think I cranked down too far, which is probably what destroyed it eventually.
Seems like I should try cylinder (over conical), so I don't need to tighten the nut so much? And probably medium > hard? Do the heights matter? FWIW, I did prefer how Indys turned, marginally, but idk if that's more geometry than bushings.
Any advice on specific bushings / duro to try would be welcome!
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stock muthafuckin thunders, don't be a baby. Bones' bushings are trash and split, crack, and melt way too fast for a slightly better rebound.
Weird, I love Thunder trucks but the bushings always crack and chunk out. I ride fairly loose trucks, maybe that's why? I've been riding Krux bushings in my Thunders, thankfully you don't have to buy Krux. The bushings on their own for 7 bucks. Good turn, feels nice and squishy, they don't crack or chunk.
(https://i.imgur.com/nCCPvIyl.jpg)
On my Indy’s I used the bottom washer from my 139s and put it on the top of my 149s. They just fit (149 washer bottoms do not). The extra surface area on the washer means there is no edge bite on the bushings. Also, I soak my bushings in speed cream before I install them. This should reduce friction and prevent the bushings from being chewed up. I have had no issues since I started doing these two things...
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bones softs are the best bushings for Ventures.
I agree with bones and venture. I use the hard bushings tho. But I like a bit more stability and I'm heavier.
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I put some hard bones on some Indy stage 11s and although there's not much space to play with on the kingpin, it's the closest thing to magically improving my skating I've ever come across.
... I also put some bones mediums on my wide-boy setup with classic aces but I was still shit. Guess I just had a good day.
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My stock Venture bushings lasted one 60minute curb session.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bones softs are the best bushings for Ventures.
Bones softs in ventures are great, but can feel balance beamish to me...the ACE dual duro combo make ventures sing. No joke.
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165 lbs, thunder team 148, stock so far
I just blew out my bushings, and I'm a little lost about what to try next. I'm kind of new, so I prefer stability. I think I cranked down too far, which is probably what destroyed it eventually.
Seems like I should try cylinder (over conical), so I don't need to tighten the nut so much? And probably medium > hard? Do the heights matter? FWIW, I did prefer how Indys turned, marginally, but idk if that's more geometry than bushings.
Any advice on specific bushings / duro to try would be welcome!
For Thunders, your best bet are the stock bushings (the stock thunder bottom bushing is taller than anything else out there), cylindrical won't matter in that regard.
If you ride tight (since you were cranking them down) try a harder thunder bushing (stock bushings are 90a) suggest you try either the 95du or 100du depending on how tight you need them; the tighter you want them, the harder the duro should be.
https://www.amazon.com/THUNDER-REBUILD-95du-BLUE-trucks/dp/B00JOUFEJY/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B00JOUFEJY&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/THUNDER-REBUILD-100du-BLACK-trucks/dp/B005068WUY
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Man, I’m kinda over the venture stock bushings, I’ve been riding these for at least a year and they still favor, not sure what’s up, gonna buy some doh doh yellows just because I fuck with shortys heavy
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For Thunders, your best bet are the stock bushings (the stock thunder bottom bushing is taller than anything else out there), cylindrical won't matter in that regard.
If you ride tight (since you were cranking them down) try a harder thunder bushing (stock bushings are 90a) suggest you try either the 95du or 100du depending on how tight you need them; the tighter you want them, the harder the duro should be.
Does the bottom/top bushing height make a big difference? I saw in an earlier post that Indy and Thunder total height is both 23.5mm.
I'm not too sure about 95 or 100. I noticed Thunder labels 95a as "medium", but Indy calls 94a "hard".
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new benny video answers the hard hitting questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeKtTpiSIk
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new benny video answers the hard hitting questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeKtTpiSIk
I just setup new mediums (have run them many times in the past) and they're too stiff; like Ben with the Hards, to get the kingpin nut flush makes the mediums were unskatable for me. For the record I usually run Bones softs, but they tend to break in too fast and get floopy in just a few sessions. This was using no washers. Bones softs = too soft and Bone mediums = too hard (I won't even touch the hard bushings).
Recently settled on 88a Indy aftermarkets, conical (reds), for everything. They work great in thunders (like Ben noted with the Bones, the indy bushings in thunders, lower the hanger about a mm as the bottom is a just a hair shorter) and great in indys and tensors + they are right in between bones softs and mediums. I do shave the top bushing down tho.
The stock 90a on my last set up indys broke in fast and skate great; I did end up shaving down the top bushing tho as I'm too impatient to break in bushings.
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Set up Indys replacing stock bushings with the red (88A) barrels. Lubed the pivots with drop silicone grease as always. Now, something squeaks when turning, I suspect the bushings. Cannot loosen them any further, nylock would go out. Anyone experienced similar? Will it stop after few sessions? Otherwise loose enough turn for me, but noise is annoying.
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new benny video answers the hard hitting questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeKtTpiSIk
The thing Ben DeGros brings up about Indy stock bushings is that they're super loose and surfy at first but after they break in they somehow stiffen up and become kind of rigid holds true in my opinion. It's kind of frustrating because they start out perfect and I'm not sure how to keep them that way.
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The thing Ben DeGros brings up about Indy stock bushings is that at first they're super loose and surfy at first but after they break in they somehow stiffen up and become kind of rigid holds true in my opinion. It's kind of frustrating because they start out perfect and I'm not sure how to keep them that way.
In the past I tried silicone grease also on too stiff Indy stock bushings, not recommending that. They went completely numb, too loose and started to stick crooked. The bushing top and bottom will move too easy out of washers.
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I've had trouble with the top washer (on almost every brand) digging into and splitting the top bushing due to the sharp edge and curvature of the washer. Best option I've found is to use Mini Logo top washers. They're flatter than every other brand and allow the top bushing to compress without the washer pinching it.
Also, as a side note the Mini Logo bushings are actually a pretty solid option if you're tired of your Bones splitting (maybe the same urethane?).
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new benny video answers the hard hitting questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeKtTpiSIk
The thing Ben DeGros brings up about Indy stock bushings is that at first they're super loose and surfy at first but after they break in they somehow stiffen up and become kind of rigid holds true in my opinion. It's kind of frustrating because they start out perfect and I'm not sure how to keep them that way.
That's why I run the 88a (reds); 2 duro holds A LOT of weight when we discuss wheels (e.g., 99a-101a) but doesn't when people discuss bushings...the 88a act just like the 90a do, they're surfier out of the gate, and just like the 90a once they stiffen up, that's where the magic is.
Indy gets some hate, but the aftermarket bushings they offer? Lots of choice compared to Thunder or Bones: 78a///////88a/90a/92a/94a/96a...
Set up Indys replacing stock bushings with the red (88A) barrels. Lubed the pivots with drop silicone grease as always. Now, something squeaks when turning, I suspect the bushings. Cannot loosen them any further, nylock would go out. Anyone experienced similar? Will it stop after few sessions? Otherwise loose enough turn for me, but noise is annoying.
Squeaking should go away (you could also try flipping the bottoms over...I use flat washers against the 'flat' side (not the rounded lip side) of all my indy bushings and no squeaks.
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I had to replace my Bones HC bushings (hard ones) today because they were crushed and the board didn't roll straight anymore. I had them in for quite some time so no complaints on that. Not looking forward to the clicking of the new ones until they're broken in. I was debating for a while whether to put some blue conical Indy aftermarket bottom bushings in but did not have the courage.
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Set up Indys replacing stock bushings with the red (88A) barrels. Lubed the pivots with drop silicone grease as always. Now, something squeaks when turning, I suspect the bushings. Cannot loosen them any further, nylock would go out. Anyone experienced similar? Will it stop after few sessions? Otherwise loose enough turn for me, but noise is annoying.
Squeaking should go away (you could also try flipping the bottoms over...I use flat washers against the 'flat' side (not the rounded lip side) of all my indy bushings and no squeaks.
Hmm, maybe I should adjust them once more.. trying to get rid of madness and to converge into a consistent setup, starting to feel I'm close already.
When installed the aftermarkets, I noticed that stock bushings were laid as you described. Maybe it does make a difference after all... Madness is behind the corner.
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Pulled off both stock top venture bushing and popped in some hard thunder top bushings. I dont have to tighten the trucks very much to get good stability. They are a little tighter than I like (because the bushings are hard as fuck) but it’ll work.
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180lbs, Thunder 149s with Indy medium bushings, mostly the box and flat round rail at my local.
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Stock Indy bushings > all
Aftermarket Indy orange > Stock Indy bushings
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
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Squeaking should go away (you could also try flipping the bottoms over...I use flat washers against the 'flat' side (not the rounded lip side) of all my indy bushings and no squeaks.
Hmm, maybe I should adjust them once more.. trying to get rid of madness and to converge into a consistent setup, starting to feel I'm close already.
When installed the aftermarkets, I noticed that stock bushings were laid as you described. Maybe it does make a difference after all... Madness is behind the corner.
Update: flipped the bottoms, squeaking gone. Now, time to stop touching the kingpin area until force majeure!
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Stock Indy bushings > all
truth
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
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I had to change my bushings - Bones HC hards on Indys - because they were crushed and the board did not roll straight anymore. I ran them almost flush with one thread of the kingpin showing and had that surfy turn. I got really comfortable on the set up and finally had kickflips on lock.
I now put in a fresh set of the exact same bushings and they are hella stiff. I have to run them much looser than before but still don‘t get the same surfy turn I was used to. It also has an impact on my kickflips, I still can do them but less consistent and have to relearn/readjust, which sucks.
Anyone experienced that, are there differences in batches or did I get an old set or something?
Tl;dr: New set of Bones HC bushings is much stiffer than the previous set of the same brand.
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(https://i.ibb.co/y6WyDmd/D57-F40-F9-A086-445-B-8-A3-B-1-EDB9-B968-F6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v3ZPbCV)
venture 5.6 hollows
indy standard tops 78a
indy conical bottoms 88a
flat washers top and bottom
riptide pivot cups
super surfy and responsive but still stable during the set up. the rebound isnt great but im yet to try tricks that need it. on the fence if i should be running both super softs but i might never find out, feels the right amount of loose with a flush nut imo
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(https://i.ibb.co/y6WyDmd/D57-F40-F9-A086-445-B-8-A3-B-1-EDB9-B968-F6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v3ZPbCV)
venture 5.6 hollows
indy standard tops 78a
indy conical bottoms 88a
flat washers top and bottom
riptide pivot cups
super surfy and responsive but still stable during the set up. the rebound isnt great but im yet to try tricks that need it. on the fence if i should be running both super softs but i might never find out, feels the right amount of loose with a flush nut imo
Those my gold forged plates? 8)
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(https://i.ibb.co/y6WyDmd/D57-F40-F9-A086-445-B-8-A3-B-1-EDB9-B968-F6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v3ZPbCV)
venture 5.6 hollows
indy standard tops 78a
indy conical bottoms 88a
flat washers top and bottom
riptide pivot cups
super surfy and responsive but still stable during the set up. the rebound isnt great but im yet to try tricks that need it. on the fence if i should be running both super softs but i might never find out, feels the right amount of loose with a flush nut imo
Those my gold forged plates? 8)
yessirski
goes perfectly with the yellow graphic
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Is the logic the harder bottom increases stability at the center? I always assumed Ace did soft bottom/harder top because you get that initial surf that gets much harder towards the deep end of the turn as the hanger has to pull against the harder bushing.
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Is the logic the harder bottom increases stability at the center? I always assumed Ace did soft bottom/harder top because you get that initial surf that gets much harder towards the deep end of the turn as the hanger has to pull against the harder bushing.
Also curious about this. Pros cons etc
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Is the logic the harder bottom increases stability at the center? I always assumed Ace did soft bottom/harder top because you get that initial surf that gets much harder towards the deep end of the turn as the hanger has to pull against the harder bushing.
thats the idea but with a harder conical bottom its easier to break into a turn than a softer barrel. not sure if i prefer it but time will tell
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i dont own a lab coat but yeah
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
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I had to replace my Bones HC bushings (hard ones) today because they were crushed and the board didn't roll straight anymore. I had them in for quite some time so no complaints on that. Not looking forward to the clicking of the new ones until they're broken in. I was debating for a while whether to put some blue conical Indy aftermarket bottom bushings in but did not have the courage.
Maybe try the 94a black Indy hards? I stopped using the Bones hard and switched to the 94a blacks and for me they feel like stocks but for my final heaviest form. Do note that just like stocks you gotta break in for about a half an hour. They start softer and firm up.
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I'm some 94-95a hards. I might fuck around with a mixture of mediums and hard but I use to wheel bite all the time on stock bushings
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
contemplated trying out a short barrel/cone combo but $20 for a "set" of bushings is a bit overkill for me. any willing guinea pigs?
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
@off I think they might have something else like that for less if you search their website by truck brand you'll get all the options. *edit - you can email Tracey at Riptide for help:
[email protected]
It's a confusing process piecing different bushing sets together but they're really helpful and there is likely a barrel bottom coned top set ready-to-go
good luck!
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
OK they're terrible. won't work and you will hate them.
But really, just like the pivot cups, they're next level nice. You can tell they use really good materials. I spent a bag trying to get something close to the Thunder 95a rebuild kit when those were out of stock everywhere for most of the year. For reference, I was riding Bones hard, nut flush in Indys and I had some 97a Thunder aftermarkets in a set of Thunders that felt stiffer than the listed duro. I first tried the APS cone combo at 95 but found them to be so soft that I had to have two threads exposed. Next I bought some barrel bottoms in the same duro and also a set of the Krank conical in 96a. The barrels didn't change much and I was still biting but the 96a were perfect. They are also much surfier than the Bones hard which is what I was going for. Would I buy them again? Yeah probably. Would I have bought them if there wasn't a gear shortage? I dunno but perhaps not. I was put off by the price too but my madness is mostly bushing related so I figured I'd take one for the big boys team.
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I had to replace my Bones HC bushings (hard ones) today because they were crushed and the board didn't roll straight anymore. I had them in for quite some time so no complaints on that. Not looking forward to the clicking of the new ones until they're broken in. I was debating for a while whether to put some blue conical Indy aftermarket bottom bushings in but did not have the courage.
Cheers bro, I‘ll give the bones one more chance today but if I am not happy, I shall put in the conical blue Indy aftermarkets, bottoms only at first…
I hesitate to start experimenting tho, out of fear that I might succumb to gear madness and spend the rest of my days in the truck set up thread.
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I had to replace my Bones HC bushings (hard ones) today because they were crushed and the board didn't roll straight anymore. I had them in for quite some time so no complaints on that. Not looking forward to the clicking of the new ones until they're broken in. I was debating for a while whether to put some blue conical Indy aftermarket bottom bushings in but did not have the courage.
Cheers bro, I‘ll give the bones one more chance today but if I am not happy, I shall put in the conical blue Indy aftermarkets, bottoms only at first…
I hesitate to start experimenting tho, out of fear that I might succumb to gear madness and spend the rest of my days in the truck set up thread.
It totally depends what you want from your trucks.
I wanted deep, quick turns and that my hanger goes back to center quickly and a bit more stability, so I put harder bushings on top. But maybe I am totally wrong and the harder bushings belong to the bottom?
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
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I had to replace my Bones HC bushings (hard ones) today because they were crushed and the board didn't roll straight anymore. I had them in for quite some time so no complaints on that. Not looking forward to the clicking of the new ones until they're broken in. I was debating for a while whether to put some blue conical Indy aftermarket bottom bushings in but did not have the courage.
Cheers bro, I‘ll give the bones one more chance today but if I am not happy, I shall put in the conical blue Indy aftermarkets, bottoms only at first…
I hesitate to start experimenting tho, out of fear that I might succumb to gear madness and spend the rest of my days in the truck set up thread.
It totally depends what you want from your trucks.
I wanted deep, quick turns and that my hanger goes back to center quickly and a bit more stability, so I put harder bushings on top. But maybe I am totally wrong and the harder bushings belong to the bottom?
You are correct:
Harder top/soft bottom will have better rebound back to center (hard top bushing) yet still turn (soft bottom); this is what ACE does.
A Harder bottom and softer top has the opposite effect, you get more stability / less turn (hard bottom) and a less snappy return to center.
If ishod can rock two top thunder bushings in thunders, it doesn't matter which you prefer as long as it feels good.
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i dont own a lab coat but yeah
I was completely joking, this stuff is interesting to me otherwise I wouldn’t be in these threads. After finding my Goldilocks I’m too timid to try shit anymore.
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
I cannot believe I just placed a $50 bushing order. This thread…
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
I cannot believe I just placed a $50 bushing order. This thread…
Ha right behind you brother, can’t believe it’s come to this, I don’t wanna look at the wheel thread
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
I cannot believe I just placed a $50 bushing order. This thread…
Ha right behind you brother, can’t believe it’s come to this, I don’t wanna look at the wheel thread
Haha, been there, done that.
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
I cannot believe I just placed a $50 bushing order. This thread…
Ha right behind you brother, can’t believe it’s come to this, I don’t wanna look at the wheel thread
Haha, been there, done that.
hope yall dont mind cashback in gnars
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
I cannot believe I just placed a $50 bushing order. This thread…
Ha right behind you brother, can’t believe it’s come to this, I don’t wanna look at the wheel thread
Haha, been there, done that.
Much appreciated, though now you have made impulse buying expendable skate gear even more attractive!
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Ace classic bushings for life. In any brand truck, doesn't matter, makes everything better. Only issue is sizing, some (maybe most) trucks like a low version top and normal bottom. They do compress slightly over time and take a while to fully break in, so you may have to tighten up eventually, but they are extremely durable.
How are the new Ace AF1 bushings? I was not happy to see that (according to the ads) they are different than classics, no more dual-duro, and harder. Are they the same urethane at least? The classic bushings have a much more rubbery feel as opposed to plasticy like every one else. Looking forward to trying them eventually, but really hope I can get a couple more classic sets so I have a lifetime supply.
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I'm running the 87a Krank street cones, they're great. Worth 2x the cost of Indy conicals? Jury is still out.
Ace classic bushings for life. In any brand truck, doesn't matter, makes everything better. Only issue is sizing, some (maybe most) trucks like a low version top and normal bottom. They do compress slightly over time and take a while to fully break in, so you may have to tighten up eventually, but they are extremely durable.
Agree, they are fantastic in Ventures or Indys (Even Tensor) but you need that low top.
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I have a few setups going right now so I wanted to try out my new Riptide stuff on an old pair of Indys - pivot cups and some 84a street cones. I'll do a more in-depth review once I've skated them more but damn they feel so responsive. I can do a full lean over so I've got all-the-way-wheelbite and it doesn't crack our blow out the bushings. When I was screwing down the kingpin nut I noticed the top bushing looked like it was getting squeezed all to hell but I took it out to examine it and it wasn't warped or damaged or anything the bushings just have a weird rounded conical design. The bushings are so nice and springy so far. But I also have some aftermarket Indy bushings and some Bones hard and mediums.
I didn't notice any real difference from the aftermarket pivot cups but that might be because of how interesting the new bushings feel. Or maybe a good pivot cup is something you don't not at all?
(https://i.imgur.com/k1Uo4QV.jpg?1)
Is this the small cone on top and bottom?
A street cone on bottom and short street cone on top. Both Krank.
I’ll let you know, I’m gonna grab mixed set too, I’m over my stock venture bushings, been riding these particular trucks for at least two years, and my shit is still favoring, prolly get a soft/med barrel, and a med/hard short street cone, wanted a surfy ride that still rebounded back quicker, keep ya updated
I cannot believe I just placed a $50 bushing order. This thread…
Ha right behind you brother, can’t believe it’s come to this, I don’t wanna look at the wheel thread
Haha, been there, done that.
Ended up on the short street 90a, and a street barrel 87a, and grabbed some pivot cups too hopefully this will cure some of my gear madness, it’s been bad lately, bough a new twin tail ishod real, and some teardrop loopholes along with a 30 dollar bushing order, my girl is gonna be bummed, oh and some new pants and some new 1010s, yea super bummed
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Just got my Riptide bushings and pivot cups in, took it for a cruise last night, both before and after I switched them just to check it out, and it was like night and day, my venture bushings favored from day one, so I just got used to a board that went to the right, now my shit is centered, a little more surfy but just as stable if not more, highly recommended Riptide, my board doesn’t favor any longer and it just feels better, I got the white street barrels which are 87 I believe, and the green short street cones which is the 90, both Krank, which I also recommend, if you have an extra 30 bucks to spare and wanna turn cool hit them up
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
Was it hot when you found the blue Indys too soft? I love indy aftermarket bushings, but they seem temperature sensitive. Unsurprisingly, they thrive in SF-ish 6O-70*s.
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
Was it hot when you found the blue Indys too soft? I love indy aftermarket bushings, but they seem temperature sensitive. Unsurprisingly, they thrive in SF-ish 6O-70*s.
Temperatures have definitely dropped. Please don’t tell me I need different bushings for every season. Shit used to be so simple before I started caring about my setup.
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I found a sufficient solution for my truck madness - I took washers and bushings from my old Film 5.5 and after verifying the bottom bushing height, put them in my Indys. Very nice and sharp turn (they're conicals), loose enough for me with kingpin nut flush, interlocking bushing did not cause any harm, I'm happy. I dare to recommend trying this if people have this option. I believe the stock Film bushing are 91A.
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
Was it hot when you found the blue Indys too soft? I love indy aftermarket bushings, but they seem temperature sensitive. Unsurprisingly, they thrive in SF-ish 6O-70*s.
Temperatures have definitely dropped. Please don’t tell me I need different bushings for every season. Shit used to be so simple before I started caring about my setup.
I think that people have said Bones are not susceptible to heat or cold as much as other brands. That said, I will usually not notice too much difference once they have warmed up from skating a bit, but I don't live in a place that has hot heat to snow cold, so can't really compare.
Some others will usually notice a couple of threads difference between having the nut down lower during summer compared to having it higher during winter.
I ride the Indy 92 with low heads and think they are all I ever need, but that is just me.
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
Was it hot when you found the blue Indys too soft? I love indy aftermarket bushings, but they seem temperature sensitive. Unsurprisingly, they thrive in SF-ish 6O-70*s.
Temperatures have definitely dropped. Please don’t tell me I need different bushings for every season. Shit used to be so simple before I started caring about my setup.
I think that people have said Bones are not susceptible to heat or cold as much as other brands. That said, I will usually not notice too much difference once they have warmed up from skating a bit, but I don't live in a place that has hot heat to snow cold, so can't really compare.
Some others will usually notice a couple of threads difference between having the nut down lower during summer compared to having it higher during winter.
I ride the Indy 92 with low heads and think they are all I ever need, but that is just me.
When I didn't like them tightening down wouldn't help, they simply didn't have enough resistance to prevent flat spots at the extremes of the turn. Completely different story now, exactly the right amount of resistance for me. Maybe a combination of temperatures, break in, and changed expectations. I think I have also lost some weight. In any case, hyped to have a good turn, minimal flat spots, and no squeaking or clicking again!
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
Was it hot when you found the blue Indys too soft? I love indy aftermarket bushings, but they seem temperature sensitive. Unsurprisingly, they thrive in SF-ish 6O-70*s.
Temperatures have definitely dropped. Please don’t tell me I need different bushings for every season. Shit used to be so simple before I started caring about my setup.
I think that people have said Bones are not susceptible to heat or cold as much as other brands. That said, I will usually not notice too much difference once they have warmed up from skating a bit, but I don't live in a place that has hot heat to snow cold, so can't really compare.
Some others will usually notice a couple of threads difference between having the nut down lower during summer compared to having it higher during winter.
I ride the Indy 92 with low heads and think they are all I ever need, but that is just me.
When I didn't like them tightening down wouldn't help, they simply didn't have enough resistance to prevent flat spots at the extremes of the turn. Completely different story now, exactly the right amount of resistance for me. Maybe a combination of temperatures, break in, and changed expectations. I think I have also lost some weight. In any case, hyped to have a good turn, minimal flat spots, and no squeaking or clicking again!
Bushing madness. Old, 190lbs, modest transition and kerps, mostly wide boards and trucks, fwiw. I’m sort of dreading fall because, like spring, it can be 40* one day and 80* the next. Was running soft red Indys in the spring, and on cool days, they were rattle-janky on center and rock hard when turning. It almost felt like you’d tip and hit the bushing; very clunky.
I can attest that bones are pretty temperature resistant, but I get sick of breaking them, and wish they had more options like bottom barrels. I’ve heard/read that mini logo uses the same formula, but they’re seemingly out of production since the Ronapocalypse.
I emailed RipTide in the spring, and they claim their formulas are temperature resistant. I’m leaning towards picking some up.
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Ace bushings but I cut both bottom to skate loose
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Bushing madness. Old, 190lbs, modest transition and kerps, mostly wide boards and trucks, fwiw. I’m sort of dreading fall because, like spring, it can be 40* one day and 80* the next. Was running soft red Indys in the spring, and on cool days, they were rattle-janky on center and rock hard when turning. It almost felt like you’d tip and hit the bushing; very clunky.
I can attest that bones are pretty temperature resistant, but I get sick of breaking them, and wish they had more options like bottom barrels. I’ve heard/read that mini logo uses the same formula, but they’re seemingly out of production since the Ronapocalypse.
I emailed RipTide in the spring, and they claim their formulas are temperature resistant. I’m leaning towards picking some up.
Yes others have said they are all temp bushings too.
Also the red Indy 88s have always felt stiffer to me, oddly enough.
Both the stock and aftermarket orange have always had more turn, the aftermarket as they break in and the stock more so straight away but then firm up a bit.
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Also the red Indy 88s have always felt stiffer to me, oddly enough.
Both the stock and aftermarket orange have always had more turn, the aftermarket as they break in and the stock more so straight away but then firm up a bit.
Thanks for this, really thought I'm making it up when observed similar. Now I'm happy with Film bushings, but let's see, winter is on its way and two last winters it was obvious that Film hardens badly in low temperatures...
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I think I am tripping. Tried blue Indy cylinder bushings on Indy 169s a while ago, decided they were too easy too wheelbite for me, and ditched them after two or three sessions. Went through a whole lot of other options without much success. Now I’ve put them on the 169s Ti I got in the meantime and to my surprise they are pretty much perfect. Quick and easy turn in the beginning, with solid resistance before wheelbite. Still going to try the Riptide I ordered but glad to have finally found a replacement for Bones hard.
Was it hot when you found the blue Indys too soft? I love indy aftermarket bushings, but they seem temperature sensitive. Unsurprisingly, they thrive in SF-ish 6O-70*s.
Temperatures have definitely dropped. Please don’t tell me I need different bushings for every season. Shit used to be so simple before I started caring about my setup.
I think that people have said Bones are not susceptible to heat or cold as much as other brands. That said, I will usually not notice too much difference once they have warmed up from skating a bit, but I don't live in a place that has hot heat to snow cold, so can't really compare.
Some others will usually notice a couple of threads difference between having the nut down lower during summer compared to having it higher during winter.
I ride the Indy 92 with low heads and think they are all I ever need, but that is just me.
When I didn't like them tightening down wouldn't help, they simply didn't have enough resistance to prevent flat spots at the extremes of the turn. Completely different story now, exactly the right amount of resistance for me. Maybe a combination of temperatures, break in, and changed expectations. I think I have also lost some weight. In any case, hyped to have a good turn, minimal flat spots, and no squeaking or clicking again!
Bushing madness. Old, 190lbs, modest transition and kerps, mostly wide boards and trucks, fwiw. I’m sort of dreading fall because, like spring, it can be 40* one day and 80* the next. Was running soft red Indys in the spring, and on cool days, they were rattle-janky on center and rock hard when turning. It almost felt like you’d tip and hit the bushing; very clunky.
I can attest that bones are pretty temperature resistant, but I get sick of breaking them, and wish they had more options like bottom barrels. I’ve heard/read that mini logo uses the same formula, but they’re seemingly out of production since the Ronapocalypse.
I emailed RipTide in the spring, and they claim their formulas are temperature resistant. I’m leaning towards picking some up.
I live in Texas, it usually hot, I couldn’t imagine trucks turning differently because of the weather, that adds a whole new dynamic I didn’t even think about….. terrifying
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Bushing madness. Old, 190lbs, modest transition and kerps, mostly wide boards and trucks, fwiw. I’m sort of dreading fall because, like spring, it can be 40* one day and 80* the next. Was running soft red Indys in the spring, and on cool days, they were rattle-janky on center and rock hard when turning. It almost felt like you’d tip and hit the bushing; very clunky.
I can attest that bones are pretty temperature resistant, but I get sick of breaking them, and wish they had more options like bottom barrels. I’ve heard/read that mini logo uses the same formula, but they’re seemingly out of production since the Ronapocalypse.
I emailed RipTide in the spring, and they claim their formulas are temperature resistant. I’m leaning towards picking some up.
Yes others have said they are all temp bushings too.
Also the red Indy 88s have always felt stiffer to me, oddly enough.
Both the stock and aftermarket orange have always had more turn, the aftermarket as they break in and the stock more so straight away but then firm up a bit.
You are making me feel much better about my recent RipTide impulse purchase. They still to be delivered, will report back when I get them.
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Bushing madness. Old, 190lbs, modest transition and kerps, mostly wide boards and trucks, fwiw. I’m sort of dreading fall because, like spring, it can be 40* one day and 80* the next. Was running soft red Indys in the spring, and on cool days, they were rattle-janky on center and rock hard when turning. It almost felt like you’d tip and hit the bushing; very clunky.
I can attest that bones are pretty temperature resistant, but I get sick of breaking them, and wish they had more options like bottom barrels. I’ve heard/read that mini logo uses the same formula, but they’re seemingly out of production since the Ronapocalypse.
I emailed RipTide in the spring, and they claim their formulas are temperature resistant. I’m leaning towards picking some up.
Yes others have said they are all temp bushings too.
Also the red Indy 88s have always felt stiffer to me, oddly enough.
Both the stock and aftermarket orange have always had more turn, the aftermarket as they break in and the stock more so straight away but then firm up a bit.
You are making me feel much better about my recent RipTide impulse purchase. They still to be delivered, will report back when I get them.
I got mine and I’m not turning back….well I mean I could turn back because the bushings are good, I am still breaking them in, but yea I really am enjoying them
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200lbs.
Ace classic 44
Stock everything including never tightening or loosing the kingpin nut since I got them.
Skate 99% curbs.
Best trucks I’ve ever skated bar none
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Bones swiss ceramics. Idk if I'm just tripping but they make a really strange sound that bearings shouldn't make and my 1year old Bronson raws function better than these new ones
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Bones swiss ceramics. Idk if I'm just tripping but they make a really strange sound that bearings shouldn't make and my 1year old Bronson raws function better than these new ones
I guess all bearings make a strange sound if you use them as bushings. Bearings have a bad rebound, that's why you should put them inside your wheels and not between your trucks.
Just kidding, clean the bones swiss.
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I picked up some Indy 139s at a thrift store, and they had hard Bones bushings in them. So I then bought myself some Independent Red bushings and finally installed them today. What the hell? How are these harder to turn than stock orange medium duro bushings? I gave them a good hour of skating in ~70°f weather, assuming that they would break in after a bit, but they only got worse. I'm usually a stock bushings guy, and I figured the softer bushings might be better for a skinnier truck with less leverage at the ends, but this shit is absolutely unskateable.
I dug through a box and found enough mismatched old soft Bones bushings that I can ride this board again. Maybe I'll eventually spend a few more hours attempting to break in the red bushings, but as of now I consider them basically useless.
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I picked up some Indy 139s at a thrift store, and they had hard Bones bushings in them. So I then bought myself some Independent Red bushings and finally installed them today. What the hell? How are these harder to turn than stock orange medium duro bushings? I gave them a good hour of skating in ~70°f weather, assuming that they would break in after a bit, but they only got worse. I'm usually a stock bushings guy, and I figured the softer bushings might be better for a skinnier truck with less leverage at the ends, but this shit is absolutely unskateable.
I dug through a box and found enough mismatched old soft Bones bushings that I can ride this board again. Maybe I'll eventually spend a few more hours attempting to break in the red bushings, but as of now I consider them basically useless.
They sure are weird - those red 88 aftermarkets, that is.
If you cut the tops down they actually skate really well, for what I like, which is a little firmer but have a lot more turn with the lower heads.
Sorry if I keep saying this a lot, but it definitely works for me, as well as many people trying my boards and finding that they still turn when you want to, but don't wheel bite half as much as softer bushings, even though I run my trucks loose enough to put wheel on wood on all four corners if I push down hard enough.
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I picked up some Indy 139s at a thrift store, and they had hard Bones bushings in them. So I then bought myself some Independent Red bushings and finally installed them today. What the hell? How are these harder to turn than stock orange medium duro bushings? I gave them a good hour of skating in ~70°f weather, assuming that they would break in after a bit, but they only got worse. I'm usually a stock bushings guy, and I figured the softer bushings might be better for a skinnier truck with less leverage at the ends, but this shit is absolutely unskateable.
I dug through a box and found enough mismatched old soft Bones bushings that I can ride this board again. Maybe I'll eventually spend a few more hours attempting to break in the red bushings, but as of now I consider them basically useless.
They sure are weird - those red 88 aftermarkets, that is.
If you cut the tops down they actually skate really well, for what I like, which is a little firmer but have a lot more turn with the lower heads.
Sorry if I keep saying this a lot, but it definitely works for me, as well as many people trying my boards and finding that they still turn when you want to, but don't wheel bite half as much as softer bushings, even though I run my trucks loose enough to put wheel on wood on all four corners if I push down hard enough.
Yeah, maybe I'll guillotine them and see if they improves performance. I legitimately do not understand how an 88a bushing it harder than a 90a bushing, though
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Yeah, maybe I'll guillotine them and see if they improves performance. I legitimately do not understand how an 88a bushing it harder than a 90a bushing, though
Welcome to the club!
I've been happy using Film medium bushings (91A) in my Indys. Considering getting another set on ice for future, these were recycled from old trucks, so fully broken in.
If I ever use Indy red aftermarkets again, I'll definitely consider cutting the top a bit.
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I've gotten into the habit of shaving just about every top bushing down (or getting low tops); the only ones I've not had the need to operate on are the 87a Venoms and so far they are perfect for me in Indy, Tensor and Thunders (tho a shave on thunders might help some).
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I've gotten into the habit of shaving just about every top bushing down (or getting low tops); the only ones I've not had the need to operate on are the 87a Venoms and so far they are perfect for me in Indy, Tensor and Thunders (tho a shave on thunders might help some).
Im thinking about trying venoms too before settling for bones. How are they in colder temps? Do they get harder as temperature drops?
Are u on shr or the standard formula btw?
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
Were they stock, or were they something like Deluxe Supercush?
Either way, there are these in an assortment of duro / colour options, but I don't think the green 94 would equate to loose though.
(http://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deluxe_Supercush-Green.jpg)
This thread has good info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.30
(https://i.ibb.co/YWjKHvD/scush-580x.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
These. I hit up dlx about some cracked bushings and the dude over there sent me a fresh set of stock purples (a little hard for my taste but ok once broken in.) and the Clear 88du set of these. Fit was perfect and they are much softer and easier turning for a guy my size. (145 soaking wet)
I recommend them highly. Especially if you're looking to get your Ventures to turn, keep the same geometry and stay stable like a venture should...
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soft bones ones and theyre great!
going to try the soft dohdohs next
i like skating my trucks loose
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
Were they stock, or were they something like Deluxe Supercush?
Either way, there are these in an assortment of duro / colour options, but I don't think the green 94 would equate to loose though.
(http://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deluxe_Supercush-Green.jpg)
This thread has good info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.30
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These. I hit up dlx about some cracked bushings and the dude over there sent me a fresh set of stock purples (a little hard for my taste but ok once broken in.) and the Clear 88du set of these. Fit was perfect and they are much softer and easier turning for a guy my size. (145 soaking wet)
I recommend them highly. Especially if you're looking to get your Ventures to turn, keep the same geometry and stay stable like a venture should...
Everyone seems to like the supercush bushings in ventures. I've tried two sets of the green ones and they are just wayyyyyy too tight. Could barely turn with the nut barely hanging on, had to put the stock purple bottom bushing back in. I don't ride loose trucks by any means, just stock purple in ventures, nut pretty much flush works good for me. I definitely way prefer stock over the green supercush, feels more responsive too. Maybe the softer ones are better?
I keep destroying my stock purple top bushings, they barely last me longer than a month so I put in some indy aftermarket blue top bushings in. A little tighter but so far so good and they should hold up better.
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Medium bones for life. Seems like a lot of people really dislike them, but they’re perfect for loose skateboarding. People who skate the soft ones are something else… super sensitive bushings, hats off to them
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
Were they stock, or were they something like Deluxe Supercush?
Either way, there are these in an assortment of duro / colour options, but I don't think the green 94 would equate to loose though.
(http://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deluxe_Supercush-Green.jpg)
This thread has good info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.30
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These. I hit up dlx about some cracked bushings and the dude over there sent me a fresh set of stock purples (a little hard for my taste but ok once broken in.) and the Clear 88du set of these. Fit was perfect and they are much softer and easier turning for a guy my size. (145 soaking wet)
I recommend them highly. Especially if you're looking to get your Ventures to turn, keep the same geometry and stay stable like a venture should...
Everyone seems to like the supercush bushings in ventures. I've tried two sets of the green ones and they are just wayyyyyy too tight. Could barely turn with the nut barely hanging on, had to put the stock purple bottom bushing back in. I don't ride loose trucks by any means, just stock purple in ventures, nut pretty much flush works good for me. I definitely way prefer stock over the green supercush, feels more responsive too. Maybe the softer ones are better?
I keep destroying my stock purple top bushings, they barely last me longer than a month so I put in some indy aftermarket blue top bushings in. A little tighter but so far so good and they should hold up better.
I used to ride the purple ones exclusively, I got some riptides and they are surprisingly good, but I think their duros are a bit harder than what we skateboarders are used to, i didn’t need to cut them down or anything, I’d definitely give them a shot if you got an extra 30 to spend, but the stock purples were always my favorite
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Loose trucks, hard bushings, is the answer if you ride indy/ace. Shave them a bit if you need to. Really feel like this is the answer for most adult sized skaters. Unless you're looking for max palmer or daewon levels of loose, or some insane tightness. My setup has never felt more dialed.
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
Were they stock, or were they something like Deluxe Supercush?
Either way, there are these in an assortment of duro / colour options, but I don't think the green 94 would equate to loose though.
(http://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deluxe_Supercush-Green.jpg)
This thread has good info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.30
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These. I hit up dlx about some cracked bushings and the dude over there sent me a fresh set of stock purples (a little hard for my taste but ok once broken in.) and the Clear 88du set of these. Fit was perfect and they are much softer and easier turning for a guy my size. (145 soaking wet)
I recommend them highly. Especially if you're looking to get your Ventures to turn, keep the same geometry and stay stable like a venture should...
seems like these might be the ones, gonna lurk that linked thread regardless. Thank you
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
Were they stock, or were they something like Deluxe Supercush?
Either way, there are these in an assortment of duro / colour options, but I don't think the green 94 would equate to loose though.
(http://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deluxe_Supercush-Green.jpg)
This thread has good info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.30
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(https://i.ibb.co/YWjKHvD/scush-580x.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
These. I hit up dlx about some cracked bushings and the dude over there sent me a fresh set of stock purples (a little hard for my taste but ok once broken in.) and the Clear 88du set of these. Fit was perfect and they are much softer and easier turning for a guy my size. (145 soaking wet)
I recommend them highly. Especially if you're looking to get your Ventures to turn, keep the same geometry and stay stable like a venture should...
Everyone seems to like the supercush bushings in ventures. I've tried two sets of the green ones and they are just wayyyyyy too tight. Could barely turn with the nut barely hanging on, had to put the stock purple bottom bushing back in. I don't ride loose trucks by any means, just stock purple in ventures, nut pretty much flush works good for me. I definitely way prefer stock over the green supercush, feels more responsive too. Maybe the softer ones are better?
I keep destroying my stock purple top bushings, they barely last me longer than a month so I put in some indy aftermarket blue top bushings in. A little tighter but so far so good and they should hold up better.
can vouch for softer supercush being better. the orange 90s are where it's at when it comes to replacing venture bushings if you aren't going back to stock or have an itch to scratch with really loose or tight trucks. they feel 'just right' with nut flush, at least for my tastes. i've also tried the greens and had the same issue you did, way too hard for me, no turn etc. hth
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Green Venture bushings on my 5.8s finally gave out. Any suggestions on a replacement set? I ride my trucks on the looser side if that matters at all.
Were they stock, or were they something like Deluxe Supercush?
Either way, there are these in an assortment of duro / colour options, but I don't think the green 94 would equate to loose though.
(http://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deluxe_Supercush-Green.jpg)
This thread has good info:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88977.30
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(https://i.ibb.co/YWjKHvD/scush-580x.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
These. I hit up dlx about some cracked bushings and the dude over there sent me a fresh set of stock purples (a little hard for my taste but ok once broken in.) and the Clear 88du set of these. Fit was perfect and they are much softer and easier turning for a guy my size. (145 soaking wet)
I recommend them highly. Especially if you're looking to get your Ventures to turn, keep the same geometry and stay stable like a venture should...
Everyone seems to like the supercush bushings in ventures. I've tried two sets of the green ones and they are just wayyyyyy too tight. Could barely turn with the nut barely hanging on, had to put the stock purple bottom bushing back in. I don't ride loose trucks by any means, just stock purple in ventures, nut pretty much flush works good for me. I definitely way prefer stock over the green supercush, feels more responsive too. Maybe the softer ones are better?
I keep destroying my stock purple top bushings, they barely last me longer than a month so I put in some indy aftermarket blue top bushings in. A little tighter but so far so good and they should hold up better.
can vouch for softer supercush being better. the orange 90s are where it's at when it comes to replacing venture bushings if you aren't going back to stock or have an itch to scratch with really loose or tight trucks. they feel 'just right' with nut flush, at least for my tastes. i've also tried the greens and had the same issue you did, way too hard for me, no turn etc. hth
I see. Do you have any experience with the clear 88d ones? Good to know the orange ones are good but I just can't do orange bushings, look too much like indy stock ones which does my head in haha.
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I know it's probably been discussed on the boards but my sleuthing skills suck. Flat washers. Any recommendations for what would fit a deluxe bushing near flush? I'm looking at the riptide ones and they seem pretty reasonable in price but just not sure on whether to go with the small or large.
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I know it's probably been discussed on the boards but my sleuthing skills suck. Flat washers. Any recommendations for what would fit a deluxe bushing near flush? I'm looking at the riptide ones and they seem pretty reasonable in price but just not sure on whether to go with the small or large.
Small and if you’re running a barrel bushing the bottom one will fit. All 4 will also be the same size as a heads up.
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I know it's probably been discussed on the boards but my sleuthing skills suck. Flat washers. Any recommendations for what would fit a deluxe bushing near flush? I'm looking at the riptide ones and they seem pretty reasonable in price but just not sure on whether to go with the small or large.
Small and if you’re running a barrel bushing the bottom one will fit. All 4 will also be the same size as a heads up.
Thank you my G
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I could be wrong about this but Riptide seems pretty flexible and down to help so if you requested flat washers instead of cups they'd probably substitute them for you
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I could be wrong about this but Riptide seems pretty flexible and down to help so if you requested flat washers instead of cups they'd probably substitute them for you
That sounds like some quality customer service if true. I just ordered a set of flat washers since im swapping my bushings to some of the Deluxe tacks but I would be willing to try some of the riptide bushings in the future.
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Medium bones for life. Seems like a lot of people really dislike them, but they’re perfect for loose skateboarding. People who skate the soft ones are something else… super sensitive bushings, hats off to them
just installed some bones mediums for the first time and gotta say im pretty stoked on them. its an uninteresting choice but how they feel when tightened just enough to keep the thing together is great and exactly what i prefer. nice amount of bounciness too
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182lbs, Indy 169 forged hollow, Indy Black 94a, like em medium tightness...work great, thank you
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Medium bones for life. Seems like a lot of people really dislike them, but they’re perfect for loose skateboarding. People who skate the soft ones are something else… super sensitive bushings, hats off to them
just installed some bones mediums for the first time and gotta say im pretty stoked on them. its an uninteresting choice but how they feel when tightened just enough to keep the thing together is great and exactly what i prefer. nice amount of bounciness too
Yeah they’re really bland bushings but they have the perfect mix of loose yet controllable feel. Plus they’re rather cheap, really a great choice if you’re on a budget.
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any input appreciated:
got a 4 week old pair of indys, and since week 1 or 2, the stock bushings tend to favor one side of the deck. it steers in one direction when there is no weight on the board and i can feel one side beeing more tense/harder than the other when i jump on. luckily this goes away after a couple of pushes. riding a twin tail and medium/loose trucks. had ventures+bones medium before, but had the feeling the bones gave out after a couple of months.
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I could be wrong about this but Riptide seems pretty flexible and down to help so if you requested flat washers instead of cups they'd probably substitute them for you
Oh most definitely, they are super active in regards to customer service, I purchased some bushings and requested paperless shipping she was quick to respond about not being able to be completely paper free in some regards and apologized, which they didn’t need to do, but it was appreciated, I’m sure they would be able to accommodate changing out flat washers for cupped ones.
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any input appreciated:
got a 4 week old pair of indys, and since week 1 or 2, the stock bushings tend to favor one side of the deck. it steers in one direction when there is no weight on the board and i can feel one side beeing more tense/harder than the other when i jump on. luckily this goes away after a couple of pushes. riding a twin tail and medium/loose trucks. had ventures+bones medium before, but had the feeling the bones gave out after a couple of months.
The first questions I usually have are related to wear in time and how much you tightened the trucks down right away.
The other thing to note is the board will usually always lean to one side after heavy landings or pressure on the heel side with new bushings too.
Just checked over old answers, and this thread is good, which might also help:
indy stock bushing problem?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118438.0
In particular this post (which might not be 100% relevant to this, but could help):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118438.msg3635139#msg3635139
The most common issue is tightening things up too much too quickly, which means the bushings will not have time to wear in and will not really bounce back.
Stock bushings are 90 duro and are very soft feeling right away, but do firm up / harden up somewhat as they wear in, but as said they can take a bit of time to do that. If you are not so comfortable riding softer bushings or looser trucks, some after market bushings might work better.
Depending on what you had on your previous board, even older stock bushings from any other brand truck might work to put those straight on your new one, if you are wanting to get out there right away and not spend a few sessions just carving around, even on flat, to wear them in.
The current stock bushings on Indy trucks are actually really good (especially compared to what they used to be), with minimal issues from the people who have skated them and worn them in nicely, but as said, if you are more used to tighter trucks or need harder bushings, or just don't like the feel of them, by all means get other bushings and try them or explore other options if you have other trucks or bushings sitting around.
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I could be wrong about this but Riptide seems pretty flexible and down to help so if you requested flat washers instead of cups they'd probably substitute them for you
Oh most definitely, they are super active in regards to customer service, I purchased some bushings and requested paperless shipping she was quick to respond about not being able to be completely paper free in some regards and apologized, which they didn’t need to do, but it was appreciated, I’m sure they would be able to accommodate changing out flat washers for cupped ones.
I remembered later that it's a drop down so choice is built in to whatever you wind up with.
So since the AF1s are out and Classics have been going on crazy sales, I decided to try Ace again and picked up a set of Classic 44s on the cheap. I once had a pair years ago on a set up that got stolen a few days after I put it together but I wasn't really sure if I was feeling them. My biggest complaint was that any other bushings other than Ace seemed to be much shorter than the stock. I'm heavy so Ace with their averaged duro of 88 aren't gonna do it for me. Krux, Indy, Bones and Riptide barrel/short cone were all decently shorter than stock Ace by at least a couple mm. I would either have to have them nut flush and too loose or crank them down with at least two threads showing to have them stable.
I dug though my parts and found that Riptide bottom cones and barrels were pretty much exactly the right height and shape. Bottom cone has a bigger straight edge where the bushing sits in the truck but the Ace's have them as well. I just bought a new set from Riptide and got a flat washer just cause. What if they're too high and I'm just imagining the match? How would they work or not work? I have a bunch of Bones hards if this doesn't work out but it seemed like it might. I always knew it would come down to grommet madness.
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any input appreciated:
got a 4 week old pair of indys, and since week 1 or 2, the stock bushings tend to favor one side of the deck. it steers in one direction when there is no weight on the board and i can feel one side beeing more tense/harder than the other when i jump on. luckily this goes away after a couple of pushes. riding a twin tail and medium/loose trucks. had ventures+bones medium before, but had the feeling the bones gave out after a couple of months.
The first questions I usually have are related to wear in time and how much you tightened the trucks down right away.
The other thing to note is the board will usually always lean to one side after heavy landings or pressure on the heel side with new bushings too.
Just checked over old answers, and this thread is good, which might also help:
indy stock bushing problem?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118438.0
In particular this post (which might not be 100% relevant to this, but could help):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118438.msg3635139#msg3635139
The most common issue is tightening things up too much too quickly, which means the bushings will not have time to wear in and will not really bounce back.
Stock bushings are 90 duro and are very soft feeling right away, but do firm up / harden up somewhat as they wear in, but as said they can take a bit of time to do that. If you are not so comfortable riding softer bushings or looser trucks, some after market bushings might work better.
Depending on what you had on your previous board, even older stock bushings from any other brand truck might work to put those straight on your new one, if you are wanting to get out there right away and not spend a few sessions just carving around, even on flat, to wear them in.
The current stock bushings on Indy trucks are actually really good (especially compared to what they used to be), with minimal issues from the people who have skated them and worn them in nicely, but as said, if you are more used to tighter trucks or need harder bushings, or just don't like the feel of them, by all means get other bushings and try them or explore other options if you have other trucks or bushings sitting around.
ok, damn, thanks for all the info!
maybe i over tightened the trucks when i got them because they were ridiculously loose. could almost wiggle them with the deck. didnt have the "steering in one direction"-problem with stock venture and bones medium bushings, but i dont care about that too much obviously. gonna watch how the bushings behave the next month + maybe replace em with indy bushings if it still feels annoying.
thanks again.
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Medium bones for life. Seems like a lot of people really dislike them, but they’re perfect for loose skateboarding. People who skate the soft ones are something else… super sensitive bushings, hats off to them
just installed some bones mediums for the first time and gotta say im pretty stoked on them. its an uninteresting choice but how they feel when tightened just enough to keep the thing together is great and exactly what i prefer. nice amount of bounciness too
Update: My front truck's bottom(top?) bushing exploded already. super bummed. Motivation to get bones was due to riding bones wheels in the past and bearings right now and always been happy with how durable and long lasting they are. I was able to ride my thunder stock bushings for a couple years before they needed replacement, i only got two weeks of sessions in these
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Medium bones for life. Seems like a lot of people really dislike them, but they’re perfect for loose skateboarding. People who skate the soft ones are something else… super sensitive bushings, hats off to them
just installed some bones mediums for the first time and gotta say im pretty stoked on them. its an uninteresting choice but how they feel when tightened just enough to keep the thing together is great and exactly what i prefer. nice amount of bounciness too
Update: My front truck's bottom(top?) bushing exploded already. super bummed. Motivation to get bones was due to riding bones wheels in the past and bearings right now and always been happy with how durable and long lasting they are. I was able to ride my thunder stock bushings for a couple years before they needed replacement, i only got two weeks of sessions in these
Bones products really are top quality, everything that is apart from the bushings.
I wonder if you took them back for a warranty, what they would say, as I have heard some people get replacements and others get nothing.
Might be worth a shot, if it is still within 30 days, which is the warranty period for most things.
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I got a set of Indy conicals for a new set of 149s. I put them on and couldn't get the nut flush without them being insanely tight, and when I measured them they were 14mm high as opposed to the stocks, which were 12mm.
Has this always been the case? Does Indy do this so people will run them without a bottom washer? I swear I've gotten conical bushings before and didn't run into this.
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I got a set of Indy conicals for a new set of 149s. I put them on and couldn't get the nut flush without them being insanely tight, and when I measured them they were 14mm high as opposed to the stocks, which were 12mm.
Has this always been the case? Does Indy do this so people will run them without a bottom washer? I swear I've gotten conical bushings before and didn't run into this.
Had the exact same issue with my white indie cylinders
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Haven't had Ventures for a good 20 years. Stoked on their stock bushings and how they've held up. They were perfect from the get go. I was sick of Indy's not having ANY threads left on the kingpin bolt to loosen the trucks with the stock bushings. Did the bones swap out thing for years. Sick of paying for the extra stuff and hope the Venture bushings hold up!
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I got a set of Indy conicals for a new set of 149s. I put them on and couldn't get the nut flush without them being insanely tight, and when I measured them they were 14mm high as opposed to the stocks, which were 12mm.
Has this always been the case? Does Indy do this so people will run them without a bottom washer? I swear I've gotten conical bushings before and didn't run into this.
Which ones, as in hardness / colour? (with pics if at all possible)
Are they still in the old cross logo packaging or the new diamond logo packaging, as I have not seen any in the newer packaging, so could have changed with those ones or something.
Never really had any issues with any I have had or sold in the shop, but I know some people get one thing and expect something else.
That said, the "soft" red 88s have definitely felt harder than the "medium" orange 90s (both stock and aftermarket), as others have said before.
For the people who have wanted harder bushings / tighter trucks, the black hard and the yellow super hard often don't feel that hard all up, but I have never understood people who don't want to turn at all.
For people who still want them a lot looser than what they are, (even for the white super soft 78s) I have always cut a mm or so from the top bushing and it has made all the difference and people have been happy with them.
My setups always can push to wheelbite on all four wheels, but I am used to not leaning quite that far over, so although I would say my trucks are more medium, others say they are loose. Personal opinion can vary greatly.
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Indy aftermarket conical bottoms are indeed taller than stock.
I’m back on bones meds, tired of fucking around with different shit.
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I got a set of Indy conicals for a new set of 149s. I put them on and couldn't get the nut flush without them being insanely tight, and when I measured them they were 14mm high as opposed to the stocks, which were 12mm.
Has this always been the case? Does Indy do this so people will run them without a bottom washer? I swear I've gotten conical bushings before and didn't run into this.
Which ones, as in hardness / colour? (with pics if at all possible)
Are they still in the old cross logo packaging or the new diamond logo packaging, as I have not seen any in the newer packaging, so could have changed with those ones or something.
Never really had any issues with any I have had or sold in the shop, but I know some people get one thing and expect something else.
That said, the "soft" red 88s have definitely felt harder than the "medium" orange 90s (both stock and aftermarket), as others have said before.
For the people who have wanted harder bushings / tighter trucks, the black hard and the yellow super hard often don't feel that hard all up, but I have never understood people who don't want to turn at all.
For people who still want them a lot looser than what they are, (even for the white super soft 78s) I have always cut a mm or so from the top bushing and it has made all the difference and people have been happy with them.
My setups always can push to wheelbite on all four wheels, but I am used to not leaning quite that far over, so although I would say my trucks are more medium, others say they are loose. Personal opinion can vary greatly.
Cross logo
(https://i.imgur.com/ZpakaQF.jpg)
Stock at just a hair over 12mm
(https://i.imgur.com/yGi2RFC.jpg)
Conical at 14mm
(https://i.imgur.com/Acf73n0.jpg)
Next to each other for comparison
(https://i.imgur.com/Be9uR5l.jpg)
I know it seems like nerdy hair splitting, but it 100% makes a difference. FWIW, I have had a few sets of the blue aftermarkets (both conical and barrel) and have never ran into this issue before.
Also, I have to politely disagree with your assessment that the yellows don't feel hard at all. I tried them and and it make my board tictac tight. Even after trying to stick with them for weeks I had to take the L and put my old blues back in.
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I got a set of Indy conicals for a new set of 149s. I put them on and couldn't get the nut flush without them being insanely tight, and when I measured them they were 14mm high as opposed to the stocks, which were 12mm.
Has this always been the case? Does Indy do this so people will run them without a bottom washer? I swear I've gotten conical bushings before and didn't run into this.
Which ones, as in hardness / colour? (with pics if at all possible)
Are they still in the old cross logo packaging or the new diamond logo packaging, as I have not seen any in the newer packaging, so could have changed with those ones or something.
Never really had any issues with any I have had or sold in the shop, but I know some people get one thing and expect something else.
That said, the "soft" red 88s have definitely felt harder than the "medium" orange 90s (both stock and aftermarket), as others have said before.
For the people who have wanted harder bushings / tighter trucks, the black hard and the yellow super hard often don't feel that hard all up, but I have never understood people who don't want to turn at all.
For people who still want them a lot looser than what they are, (even for the white super soft 78s) I have always cut a mm or so from the top bushing and it has made all the difference and people have been happy with them.
My setups always can push to wheelbite on all four wheels, but I am used to not leaning quite that far over, so although I would say my trucks are more medium, others say they are loose. Personal opinion can vary greatly.
Cross logo
(https://i.imgur.com/ZpakaQF.jpg)
Stock at just a hair over 12mm
(https://i.imgur.com/yGi2RFC.jpg)
Conical at 14mm
(https://i.imgur.com/Acf73n0.jpg)
Next to each other for comparison
(https://i.imgur.com/Be9uR5l.jpg)
I know it seems like nerdy hair splitting, but it 100% makes a difference. FWIW, I have had a few sets of the blue aftermarkets (both conical and barrel) and have never ran into this issue before.
Also, I have to politely disagree with your assessment that the yellows don't feel hard at all. I tried them and and it make my board tictac tight. Even after trying to stick with them for weeks I had to take the L and put my old blues back in.
I've always noted they were taller and that is why I've always said the Indy aftermarket conicals work so well in Thunders! They're the closest you are are going to get to stock + you get better rebound and more duro options.
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Medium bones for life. Seems like a lot of people really dislike them, but they’re perfect for loose skateboarding. People who skate the soft ones are something else… super sensitive bushings, hats off to them
just installed some bones mediums for the first time and gotta say im pretty stoked on them. its an uninteresting choice but how they feel when tightened just enough to keep the thing together is great and exactly what i prefer. nice amount of bounciness too
Update: My front truck's bottom(top?) bushing exploded already. super bummed. Motivation to get bones was due to riding bones wheels in the past and bearings right now and always been happy with how durable and long lasting they are. I was able to ride my thunder stock bushings for a couple years before they needed replacement, i only got two weeks of sessions in these
(https://i.imgur.com/VkYw6Ox.png)
Damn, son. I'd email them for a replacement sent; I've used BB for years and never have I seen a set blow out like that; they look damn near new as well.
I skate both softs and meds because I am too lazy to wait for meds to break in :P
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I got a set of Indy conicals for a new set of 149s. I put them on and couldn't get the nut flush without them being insanely tight, and when I measured them they were 14mm high as opposed to the stocks, which were 12mm.
Has this always been the case? Does Indy do this so people will run them without a bottom washer? I swear I've gotten conical bushings before and didn't run into this.
Which ones, as in hardness / colour? (with pics if at all possible)
Are they still in the old cross logo packaging or the new diamond logo packaging, as I have not seen any in the newer packaging, so could have changed with those ones or something.
Never really had any issues with any I have had or sold in the shop, but I know some people get one thing and expect something else.
That said, the "soft" red 88s have definitely felt harder than the "medium" orange 90s (both stock and aftermarket), as others have said before.
For the people who have wanted harder bushings / tighter trucks, the black hard and the yellow super hard often don't feel that hard all up, but I have never understood people who don't want to turn at all.
For people who still want them a lot looser than what they are, (even for the white super soft 78s) I have always cut a mm or so from the top bushing and it has made all the difference and people have been happy with them.
My setups always can push to wheelbite on all four wheels, but I am used to not leaning quite that far over, so although I would say my trucks are more medium, others say they are loose. Personal opinion can vary greatly.
Cross logo
(https://i.imgur.com/ZpakaQF.jpg)
Stock at just a hair over 12mm
(https://i.imgur.com/yGi2RFC.jpg)
Conical at 14mm
(https://i.imgur.com/Acf73n0.jpg)
Next to each other for comparison
(https://i.imgur.com/Be9uR5l.jpg)
I know it seems like nerdy hair splitting, but it 100% makes a difference. FWIW, I have had a few sets of the blue aftermarkets (both conical and barrel) and have never ran into this issue before.
Also, I have to politely disagree with your assessment that the yellows don't feel hard at all. I tried them and and it make my board tictac tight. Even after trying to stick with them for weeks I had to take the L and put my old blues back in.
I've always noted they were taller and that is why I've always said the Indy aftermarket conicals work so well in Thunders! They're the closest you are are going to get to stock + you get better rebound and more duro options.
Makes sense with the thunders for sure. I just never noticed this before with my blue barrels (usual indy replacement bushing of choice). I just took it for a spin with the stock barrel bottoms and the hard tops and think I am going to stick with that.
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I know it seems like nerdy hair splitting, but it 100% makes a difference. FWIW, I have had a few sets of the blue aftermarkets (both conical and barrel) and have never ran into this issue before.
Also, I have to politely disagree with your assessment that the yellows don't feel hard at all. I tried them and and it make my board tictac tight. Even after trying to stick with them for weeks I had to take the L and put my old blues back in.
I actually agree with you - others who wanted ultra tight trucks are the ones who disagree.
For as long as I can remember, I have used the 92 low heads (red bushings that came in the white cardboard box, which are about the same as the blue current bushings) but going by what others have said, re the harder bushings, which are way too hard for my liking, others have said they are not hard enough, which I always found weird - that was my take on them.
That is interesting to see the different heights too, as all the normal bushings I have looked at (mainly the white, red and orange of the current stock) all seemed like the same heights.
Thanks for putting up such good pics of them too.
Much appreciated!
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I love the blue conical Indy aftermarket bushings with the nuts flush and the stock purple just a thread over flush with my ventures. Independent for wb over 14.25 and venture for 14.25 and lower.
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I know it seems like nerdy hair splitting, but it 100% makes a difference. FWIW, I have had a few sets of the blue aftermarkets (both conical and barrel) and have never ran into this issue before.
Also, I have to politely disagree with your assessment that the yellows don't feel hard at all. I tried them and and it make my board tictac tight. Even after trying to stick with them for weeks I had to take the L and put my old blues back in.
I actually agree with you - others who wanted ultra tight trucks are the ones who disagree.
For as long as I can remember, I have used the 92 low heads (red bushings that came in the white cardboard box, which are about the same as the blue current bushings) but going by what others have said, re the harder bushings, which are way too hard for my liking, others have said they are not hard enough, which I always found weird - that was my take on them.
That is interesting to see the different heights too, as all the normal bushings I have looked at (mainly the white, red and orange of the current stock) all seemed like the same heights.
Thanks for putting up such good pics of them too.
Much appreciated!
I see what you mean...yeah, they're crazy tight. I've never seen the red lows in the wild, but I do like the blues. No problem with the pics!
I'm not a fan of the conical bottoms...not enough rebound. But I also think the black busings in a barrel might be too tight for me.
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I used to run stock indies but I felt they were too soft for me, I got stuck way too many times and they were crushed quickly. I got some Cylinder black Indy bushings and they are perfect. I just tight the nut just enough so it doesn't fall and I can ride around loosely without losing stability or having wheelbite.
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I see what you mean...yeah, they're crazy tight. I've never seen the red lows in the wild, but I do like the blues. No problem with the pics!
I'm not a fan of the conical bottoms...not enough rebound. But I also think the black busings in a barrel might be too tight for me.
When the new ones came out, I bought all I could find in the low blue ones as they just worked so well, then came across a wholesale lot of the old red ones and bought them all, or at least enough to never need more again. After discontinuing the low trucks, the low bushings were also on the endangered list.
They are the same bottoms (conical) but with a couple of mm lower heads, which works out about the same as what we used to always do when we grinded our trucks down too far, so would cut the top bushings down to fit with the kingpin nut below the hanger.
If the black ones felt too tight, you could cut the tops down to make them fit.
Oddly enough when I googled them, this place still shows as eight in stock of the low blue bushing sets:
https://www.chutingstar.com/independent-trucks-low-conical-cushions-92a-medium-hard-blue
Or these guys in the UK who have both the medium orange and the medium hard blue in low:
https://drugstoreskateboarding.com/products/indepn?variant=31703627497546
This is the best pic of the older ones anyway:
(https://www.boardstore.com.au/assets/thumbL/IndyBushings.l.s.jpg)
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Found an old thread with a good pic of all the Indy bushing options.
Good Bushings
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=80946.0
Specifically this post with the catalog pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/v0VHHVw.jpg)
Then the info I posted in the Independent bushings thread, so it is all in the same place:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118963.0
Here is my run down on the Indy bushings, from using them as well as setting them up for friends and people in the shop but then skating their boards as well, so I have had a chance to see what all of them are like, not just on the first day but after they have broken in nicely too.
The white "super soft" ones are 78 duro and so very mushy feeling all round for me (normal adult size and weight) so I really only recommend them for very small lightweight skaters, or those who want trucks that almost feel like there are no bushings.
The red 88s, as said seem harder than even the blue 92s but have different properties to the blue or black ones, so it is a bit funny as the older red ones are way softer than the newer red ones.
The aftermarket orange 90 duro bushings are by fay the best for any normal person, which give a lot more than the red 88s oddly enough, especially the conical shaped ones, but I have all of them and the cylinder works fine as well.
The blue 92 duro are about my favourite, but with the low top option or cut down tops, if they are the normal ones, which are just a bit firmer and more stable, but with lower heads, I can have the trucks a bit more loose, while still having more stability than the softer options.
Black 94 duro hard bushings are firm but still compress enough for turning for heavier skaters, which in turn can be more a wheelbite issue as well, given some people want tight trucks and think these will be what they want. If tightened too much, they will have more issues than if they had harder bushings to begin with, as they don't bounce back or stay compressed more than they should.
Yellow 96 duro super hard or whatever they call them still turn but are very stiff, so pretty much the true medium hard option really, but again when people who want no turn and tight trucks get them, then tighten them down too far, then have issues with them as they think they are going to be harder than they are.
Also just to throw in thoughts on the Indy stock bushings, no matter which colour, 90 duro, a bit soft and squishy to start with but they firm up a fair bit with normal use, so while left at kingpin nut top of kingpin, they will be way more loose than most of the other bushings, apart from the white aftermarket 78s.
The stock ones used to be rubbish and would blow out or have all sorts of issues in older stage Indy trucks, but nowdays they are actually really good and I have recycled many stock sets that were taken out right from new (when people put in other bushings right away) then put them into other trucks when people have had issues with their own bushings and almost all of them have said how well they work, including putting the stock Indy white ones into Ace trucks I have had set up and people thought they turned better than the stock Ace bushings.
They are by no means the be all and end all of bushings, but they definitely work well, when worn in and not tightened down to start with or skated pretty much at factory set kingpin nut or a bit below.
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Indy black cylinder 94a aftermarket are my favorite, and I don't work for them lol
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Indy black cylinder 94a aftermarket are my favorite, and I don't work for them lol
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stock bushing and ride them both stock till they break in but tighten both the same to keep my board stable when skating switch. love the tensor bushing and pivot cups.
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I love ace 55’s, but trucks only last so long so I thought I’d give the made in China indy 149’s a try. However the problem with the orange stock bushings is if u want quick turning trucks u gotta take the washers out but I hate that cause its harder to control unlike aces. So in order to fix this problem I found using the indy 78a whites in the bottom and indy 88a reds as my top is the best way to get a similar type of turning to aces. 8)
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Still running the Riptide/Venom combo in my thunders, feels amazing.
On my Indys, I switch from 88a aftermarket conicals to bones med, no washers, and forced myself to break them in, they feel amazing right now.
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I am running 92a indy cylinders in my 144s with the kingpin nuts flush. Yesterday a homie put some cones on the ground and we had some slalom action. That was funky.
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Still running the Riptide/Venom combo in my thunders, feels amazing.
On my Indys, I switch from 88a aftermarket conicals to bones med, no washers, and forced myself to break them in, they feel amazing right now.
hey @Xen I forget, did you cut down the top bushings of your Riptides in your Thunders?
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I left my Red Indy bushings outside for a few weeks, then I put them on a pair of trucks I wasn't skating and cranked them down for a few more weeks. They are noticeably softer and easier to turn now, but I haven't really got to skate them because it's raining buckets today.
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Still running the Riptide/Venom combo in my thunders, feels amazing.
On my Indys, I switch from 88a aftermarket conicals to bones med, no washers, and forced myself to break them in, they feel amazing right now.
hey @Xen I forget, did you cut down the top bushings of your Riptides in your Thunders?
@funeral_tuxedo
I did not, I left the Riptides tops stock, however, I did shave down the Venom bottoms just a bit (best combo I've skated in Thunders by far).
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I finally had a second opportunity to skate my hollow light thunders with riptide bushings and it's such an improvement. They're not loose, but they're looser than I've ever been able to get thunders. The pop and stability feels really good, but I still want to mess with the bushings to see if it will improve the turn. I'd forgotten how light and quick thunders feel.
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Any suggestions for bushings skating in the cold ?
I was outside today at arround 32° F with my cruiser.
Runnin Film 5.5 trucks with standard bushings. After a few minutes they became completely unresponsive, hard and kind of mushy. So I switched to the independent 90A conical aftermarket bushings but with the same results.
So now I'm looking for some bushings that hold up in the cold. Thanks in advance !
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Any suggestions for bushings skating in the cold ?
I was outside today at arround 32° F with my cruiser.
Runnin Film 5.5 trucks with standard bushings. After a few minutes they became completely unresponsive, hard and kind of mushy. So I switched to the independent 90A conical aftermarket bushings but with the same results.
So now I'm looking for some bushings that hold up in the cold. Thanks in advance !
Ace classics and the new Royal bushings are both great in the cold but good luck finding either one a la cart at the moment.
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+1 for Ace bushings. Skated my Aces this morning when it was 38 degrees outside and they felt pretty nice.
I actually just ordered some Ace low bushings this morning to put in a set of Indy 169s that only feel good when the nut is about to fall off
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Indy black cylinder 94a aftermarket are my favorite, and I don't work for them lol
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I use these in some venture highs with the nut flush. I weigh around 160lbs but they still turn really nice and I only get wheel bite with one wheel on occasion. I use to get wheel bite all the time so I'd crank the nut down and tic tac a lot. This solved it for me.
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Thanks guys. Now I try to dind ace bushings in europe.
I found some classic ace bushings. Are those the one ?
Do the AF1s have different bushings than the classics ?
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Thanks guys. Now I try to dind ace bushings in europe.
I found some classic ace bushings. Are those the one ?
Do the AF1s have different bushings than the classics ?
AF1 and classics have pretty much the same bushings. Durometer is the same, but they are shaped slightly different. They are interchangeable. The main thing you need to consider is the stock bushing height on your current trucks then determine if you want the regular or low bushings.
Ace low bushings are 10mm top and 12mm bottom.
Regular are 12mm top and 14mm bottom.
Lows are harder to find, but you can shave down the regulars if they are too tall.
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Thanks guys. Now I try to dind ace bushings in europe.
I found some classic ace bushings. Are those the one ?
Do the AF1s have different bushings than the classics ?
Best option unfortunately (for most trucks) would be to get a set of low AND regular Ace classics and mix and match low top with regular bottom. If you skate tight you might be able to get away with only regular ones or if you skate loose, the lows.
At the very least Ace classic regular bottom bushing with whatever top you want will still be an improvement.
I haven’t tried the AF1s, I sincerely hope they didn’t change the bushings cause the classic formula is so good. The new royals absolutely give them a run for their money though. Good to see the industry upping its bushing game.
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anyone know the height of krux bushings?
edit found the measurements online:
krux bushings
9.8 top
13.7 bottom
23.5mm total
doh dohs
9.5 top
13.5 bottom
23mm total
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anyone know the height of krux bushings?
Krux are the same size as Ace, 12mm top and 14mm bottom. They’re really nice in Aces too, you get a lot more stability without sacrificing much turn.
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
I tried this combination and didn’t like it. Very poor rebound and the most annoying squeaking. The blue 92A cylinder bushings top and bottom are more responsive and stable at the same time.
After I stopped using Bones I tried many combinations of Indy and Riptide, nothing came close to the blue cylinders. I can have a good session with a fresh set, and once broken in they are perfect.
By the way, during this process I also started using Riptide pivot cups. They definitely change things, no squeaking and improved rebound. Felt a bit ridiculous to order $14 pieces of plastic from overseas but well worth it in retrospect.
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Any suggestions for bushings skating in the cold ?
I was outside today at arround 32° F with my cruiser.
Runnin Film 5.5 trucks with standard bushings. After a few minutes they became completely unresponsive, hard and kind of mushy. So I switched to the independent 90A conical aftermarket bushings but with the same results.
So now I'm looking for some bushings that hold up in the cold. Thanks in advance !
Bushings play a role here
From my experience, it comes more from the pivot cups used in Film Trucks
Break-in phase on Film trucks (bushings AND pivot) is looooong
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
I tried this combination and didn’t like it. Very poor rebound and the most annoying squeaking. The blue 92A cylinder bushings top and bottom are more responsive and stable at the same time.
After I stopped using Bones I tried many combinations of Indy and Riptide, nothing came close to the blue cylinders. I can have a good session with a fresh set, and once broken in they are perfect.
By the way, during this process I also started using Riptide pivot cups. They definitely change things, no squeaking and improved rebound. Felt a bit ridiculous to order $14 pieces of plastic from overseas but well worth it in retrospect.
Second this. I ran the Black Indy Hard barrel bushing boardside and orange conical Indy bushing roadside for a bit and aside from fun halloween colors, didn't do much for me.
The Indy Blue Conical bushings are the best replacements if the stock orange Indy bushings aren't working for you imo.
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
I tried this combination and didn’t like it. Very poor rebound and the most annoying squeaking. The blue 92A cylinder bushings top and bottom are more responsive and stable at the same time.
After I stopped using Bones I tried many combinations of Indy and Riptide, nothing came close to the blue cylinders. I can have a good session with a fresh set, and once broken in they are perfect.
By the way, during this process I also started using Riptide pivot cups. They definitely change things, no squeaking and improved rebound. Felt a bit ridiculous to order $14 pieces of plastic from overseas but well worth it in retrospect.
Second this. I ran the Black Indy Hard barrel bushing boardside and orange conical Indy bushing roadside for a bit and aside from fun halloween colors, didn't do much for me.
The Indy Blue Conical bushings are the best replacements if the stock orange Indy bushings aren't working for you imo.
Blue aftermarket Indy bushings are great, I really like them. I currently run Ace low bushings in my 149s but if they were to stop making those I would rock with the blues for sure.
Also, it has been said before but FWIW: If you're going to do dual duro, the softer bushing should be on the bottom(board side) and the hard should be on top (road side). That will give you more bang for your buck as far as ease of turn with improved stability/return to center. I don't think there are any advantages to having it flipped with the harder bushing on the bottom, though I would love to hear about it if there are.
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Any suggestions for bushings skating in the cold ?
I was outside today at arround 32° F with my cruiser.
Runnin Film 5.5 trucks with standard bushings. After a few minutes they became completely unresponsive, hard and kind of mushy. So I switched to the independent 90A conical aftermarket bushings but with the same results.
So now I'm looking for some bushings that hold up in the cold. Thanks in advance !
From my experience, it comes more from the pivot cups used in Film Trucks
Break-in phase on Film trucks (bushings AND pivot) is looooong
Can’t speak to film, but Indy bushings are cold sensitive. Bones are less so, Riptide claims theirs are not, and as of last the other day, I would say tracker super balls are less cold sensitive. I had an awful time with bushings last spring as I was skating in 80F and near freezing within a day of each other. It seems like a softer duro would be the key for cold, but it’s the lack of rebound that ruins it for me. It’s one of those things - along with the mud that make spring bittersweet in the upper Midwest.
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
I tried this combination and didn’t like it. Very poor rebound and the most annoying squeaking. The blue 92A cylinder bushings top and bottom are more responsive and stable at the same time.
After I stopped using Bones I tried many combinations of Indy and Riptide, nothing came close to the blue cylinders. I can have a good session with a fresh set, and once broken in they are perfect.
By the way, during this process I also started using Riptide pivot cups. They definitely change things, no squeaking and improved rebound. Felt a bit ridiculous to order $14 pieces of plastic from overseas but well worth it in retrospect.
Second this. I ran the Black Indy Hard barrel bushing boardside and orange conical Indy bushing roadside for a bit and aside from fun halloween colors, didn't do much for me.
The Indy Blue Conical bushings are the best replacements if the stock orange Indy bushings aren't working for you imo.
Blue aftermarket Indy bushings are great, I really like them. I currently run Ace low bushings in my 149s but if they were to stop making those I would rock with the blues for sure.
Also, it has been said before but FWIW: If you're going to do dual duro, the softer bushing should be on the bottom(board side) and the hard should be on top (road side). That will give you more bang for your buck as far as ease of turn with improved stability/return to center. I don't think there are any advantages to having it flipped with the harder bushing on the bottom, though I would love to hear about it if there are.
Good to know. I mostly just swapped the road side bushing to the orange because the black hard bushing completely blew out. I don't think I took enough time to break them in properly.
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
I tried this combination and didn’t like it. Very poor rebound and the most annoying squeaking. The blue 92A cylinder bushings top and bottom are more responsive and stable at the same time.
After I stopped using Bones I tried many combinations of Indy and Riptide, nothing came close to the blue cylinders. I can have a good session with a fresh set, and once broken in they are perfect.
By the way, during this process I also started using Riptide pivot cups. They definitely change things, no squeaking and improved rebound. Felt a bit ridiculous to order $14 pieces of plastic from overseas but well worth it in retrospect.
Second this. I ran the Black Indy Hard barrel bushing boardside and orange conical Indy bushing roadside for a bit and aside from fun halloween colors, didn't do much for me.
The Indy Blue Conical bushings are the best replacements if the stock orange Indy bushings aren't working for you imo.
Blue aftermarket Indy bushings are great, I really like them. I currently run Ace low bushings in my 149s but if they were to stop making those I would rock with the blues for sure.
Also, it has been said before but FWIW: If you're going to do dual duro, the softer bushing should be on the bottom(board side) and the hard should be on top (road side). That will give you more bang for your buck as far as ease of turn with improved stability/return to center. I don't think there are any advantages to having it flipped with the harder bushing on the bottom, though I would love to hear about it if there are.
Good to know. I mostly just swapped the road side bushing to the orange because the black hard bushing completely blew out. I don't think I took enough time to break them in properly.
I ordered a few indy afetermarket bushing sets to experiment. Currently 92a bottom and 94a top. I think it will take a while to break them in. I weigh 85 kg (187 lbs)
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I’ll echo the last few posts, the 92a blue conical Independent bushings are really nice. I run Ace low bushings on my daily and blue conicals on my cruiser. They feel very similar and as someone else said above, if I can’t find Ace low bushings I’d be just as happy with blue conicals. The conical bottoms are slightly taller than stock bottoms, so I remove the bottom washer to compensate. Stock Indy bushings are trash.
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Anyone tried Indy black cylinder 94a with a medium top bushing? I want my indys to be more stable during lots of load (like going from a steep bank to flat at higher speed)
I tried this combination and didn’t like it. Very poor rebound and the most annoying squeaking. The blue 92A cylinder bushings top and bottom are more responsive and stable at the same time.
After I stopped using Bones I tried many combinations of Indy and Riptide, nothing came close to the blue cylinders. I can have a good session with a fresh set, and once broken in they are perfect.
By the way, during this process I also started using Riptide pivot cups. They definitely change things, no squeaking and improved rebound. Felt a bit ridiculous to order $14 pieces of plastic from overseas but well worth it in retrospect.
Second this. I ran the Black Indy Hard barrel bushing boardside and orange conical Indy bushing roadside for a bit and aside from fun halloween colors, didn't do much for me.
The Indy Blue Conical bushings are the best replacements if the stock orange Indy bushings aren't working for you imo.
Blue aftermarket Indy bushings are great, I really like them. I currently run Ace low bushings in my 149s but if they were to stop making those I would rock with the blues for sure.
Also, it has been said before but FWIW: If you're going to do dual duro, the softer bushing should be on the bottom(board side) and the hard should be on top (road side). That will give you more bang for your buck as far as ease of turn with improved stability/return to center. I don't think there are any advantages to having it flipped with the harder bushing on the bottom, though I would love to hear about it if there are.
Definitely, when I experimented with combinations of different bushings, having the softer one at the bottom (board side) worked better. With the blue cylinders I didn't find that adding a harder top bushing improved anything, however.
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Has anyone tried Tensor/Film bushings? I'm trying to find a decent replacement for Bones bushings because they always pancake around the yellow plastic. Been using Indy orange comical for ages but they're just a bit too soft and squirly and the hardnesses after that have the worst colours (blue and black).
Anyway the online reviews for the Tensors mentioned that they were softer than 90a but I like the idea of the middle bit that goes into the hanger. Don't know why all bushings don't do this. Conical bushings feel great in turns but so unstable in the middle so wondered if this added bit on the bushing would give more middle stability.
(https://i.ibb.co/nBmxskh/tensor-interlock-bushings-97.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nBmxskh)
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Has anyone tried Tensor/Film bushings? I'm trying to find a decent replacement for Bones bushings because they always pancake around the yellow plastic. Been using Indy orange comical for ages but they're just a bit too soft and squirly and the hardnesses after that have the worst colours (blue and black).
Anyway the online reviews for the Tensors mentioned that they were softer than 90a but I like the idea of the middle bit that goes into the hanger. Don't know why all bushings don't do this. Conical bushings feel great in turns but so unstable in the middle so wondered if this added bit on the bushing would give more middle stability.
(https://i.ibb.co/nBmxskh/tensor-interlock-bushings-97.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nBmxskh)
I got a pair of Film Trucks and my experience with the bushings wasn't that great.
I think they are somewhat ok in spring and summer but they don't work in the cold.
I tried the film bushings in some Thunder 148s but it seems that they don't work with them very well.
They got stuck in the direction i was learning and made wierd noises.
At the end I put bones hards in the Film's, works great.
And i put the stock bushings back into the Thunders and sold them..
I'm on Royals now and the bushing are the shit.
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The newest stock Indy’s feel fine to me. I always buy and swap in the aftermarket orange barrel but this time I guess I put back in the stocks. I went to remove the hangers to wax the hanger yoke and noticed but honestly couldn’t tell the difference between my other set of Indy’s which had the aftermarket.
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The newest stock Indy’s feel fine to me. I always buy and swap in the aftermarket orange barrel but this time I guess I put back in the stocks. I went to remove the hangers to wax the hanger yoke and noticed but honestly couldn’t tell the difference between my other set of Indy’s which had the aftermarket.
In my experience the Indy stock bushings can feel really perfect and soft/surfy for a honeymoon period but seem to harden up over time. I’m not sure why that is. I just ordered a few sets of aftermarkets myself to swap out after the honeymoon is over.
I really love Riptide stuff but it’s difficult finding the bushings to match the Indy cylinders.
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I hate that someone decided the only color for 90A should be orange or yellow. Even Riptide and Supercush. Why can’t we just get other colors? Id take white over it. Maybe I should swap in Venture purples.
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Anyone know what’s the point of the bones plastic ring? Is it because the intent is to skate a flat washer?
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Anyone know what’s the point of the bones plastic ring? Is it because the intent is to skate a flat washer?
From the bones site
"The HardCore insert in the center of BONES bushings connects the two sides of each bushing together by bonding them to the HardCore insert. When the hanger web squeezes one side of a HardCore bushing, that side of the bushing reacts just like a normal bushing, but the chemical bond between the HardCore and the cushion keep the bushing from being squeezed out the other side. It actually increases the resistance to turning because it is held in place by the HardCore insert. This means basically that BOTH sides of the BONES HardCore Bushing are resisting your turning force. That’s why we call BONES Bushings the first double action truck bushings."
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It took a while to find this post again from Feb 2021, so this time maybe I should include some key words like bushing measurement height and similar so it is easier to find.
Anyway, some of these might have had some changes required, eg the Indy aftermarket black bushings have been said to be 14mm tall for the bottoms, which is curious.
Anything else to note and I can change this post to reflect the correct measurements / heights as well.
Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.
From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.
Low Bushing Set
Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness
Classic Bushing Set
Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness
As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:
Ace low
Total 22 mm
Top 10 mm
Bottom 12 mm
Ace classic
Total 26 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Venture stock 90a
Total 22.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Venture low top kits
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
* Added Venture in here as well.
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That post was more in response to the question of bushing measurements, given the new NFG bushings come in many different options.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop
They have these:
Top conical (5 options)
95a in 8mm, 9.5mm, 10mm, 10.3mm and 11mm
Bottom (5 options)
90a and 95a barrel 13mm
90a and 95a half conical 14mm and 14.5mm
Seems perfect to work out exactly what you want and get those, between the softer bottoms and slightly harder lower tops, I could get things exactly how I usually ride my other bushings.
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running factory ace white bushings
no top washer
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running factory ace white bushings
no top washer
How long can you do that before the bushing is destroyed? I never dared to try it
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running factory ace white bushings
no top washer
How long can you do that before the bushing is destroyed? I never dared to try it
depends - usually a year or more
i skate a lot of different obstacles and it doesn't mess w me
i actually only had a problem when i did this with bones bushings and they couldn't take smiths/feebles
i do have to change my pivot cups more often than most
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It took a while to find this post again from Feb 2021, so this time maybe I should include some key words like bushing measurement height and similar so it is easier to find.
Anyway, some of these might have had some changes required, eg the Indy aftermarket black bushings have been said to be 14mm tall for the bottoms, which is curious.
Anything else to note and I can change this post to reflect the correct measurements / heights as well.
You're the man. @Mbrimson88!
I just measured my new/stock un-used thunder bushings last night to see what NFGs would fit.
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Can anyone recommend a lower bushing for some venture 5.6. The bones blow out. And the stick sit too high which have my trucks on the hand tightened thread level. Sketch.
Do you guys just cut the stock ones a bit. And do you cut on the underside or the top side. And is it the top bushing you cut or the lower?
Thanks
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Can anyone recommend a lower bushing for some venture 5.6. The bones blow out. And the stick sit too high which have my trucks on the hand tightened thread level. Sketch.
Do you guys just cut the stock ones a bit. And do you cut on the underside or the top side. And is it the top bushing you cut or the lower?
Thanks
Vic
Newer stock indys are lower, ACE low bushings fit prefecty.
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Can anyone recommend a lower bushing for some venture 5.6. The bones blow out. And the stick sit too high which have my trucks on the hand tightened thread level. Sketch.
Do you guys just cut the stock ones a bit. And do you cut on the underside or the top side. And is it the top bushing you cut or the lower?
Thanks
I can't help you with Venture bushings, never ridden some in my life.
If you cut the bottom (lower) bushing too much, you can change the geometry of the truck itself and that can't be good. For the top bushing, when you cut the top part (this part is always smaller on top bushings). So when you cut that part, you might need langer washers to fit the bushing. You can also cut the bottom part of the top bushing and can keep your existing washers. I cut both parts on different trucks and I think it is easier to cut the bottom of the top bushing.
Man sorry, english isn't my first language.
I hope that made sense.
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I can't find ACE low bushings anywhere.
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Can anyone recommend a lower bushing for some venture 5.6. The bones blow out. And the stick sit too high which have my trucks on the hand tightened thread level. Sketch.
Do you guys just cut the stock ones a bit. And do you cut on the underside or the top side. And is it the top bushing you cut or the lower?
Thanks
Get the new venture bushings for loose trucks. They are lower.
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Anyone know how bones bushings compare height-wise to the other bushings? I always thought bones were low, but they don't really fit in my thunders.
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I can't find ACE low bushings anywhere.
They probably hoarded them all for the release of the low AF1s ;)
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Anyone know how bones bushings compare height-wise to the other bushings? I always thought bones were low, but they don't really fit in my thunders.
BONES are about the same height as the [old] indy stocks; they are too short for Thunders (compared to stock and pull the geo in a bit (some may like that). they work for Ventures and Tensor ATGs as well; recommend using the washer that comes with bones on the bottom bushing.
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
I’m on that thunder wave lately, interested to read your field research
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
I’m on that thunder wave lately, interested to read your field research
I shall report back! I'm only trying out thunder again due to wanting to extend a WB of a deck that I really want to work..the ventures I have on hand didn't vibe (Never grinded, I should probably sell them..forged/lites 5.6s.)
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
I’m on that thunder wave lately, interested to read your field research
I shall report back! I'm only trying out thunder again due to wanting to extend a WB of a deck that I really want to work..the ventures I have on hand didn't vibe (Never grinded, I should probably sell them..forged/lites 5.6s.)
I’m really thinking about getting some 5.8s (again)…why am I against 8.25 trucks again?
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
I’m on that thunder wave lately, interested to read your field research
I shall report back! I'm only trying out thunder again due to wanting to extend a WB of a deck that I really want to work..the ventures I have on hand didn't vibe (Never grinded, I should probably sell them..forged/lites 5.6s.)
I’m really thinking about getting some 5.8s (again)…why am I against 8.25 trucks again?
Dunno, I set up some 148s on an 8.3...some days I think 149s is the only way, then some days I don't give a sht and 8.25s with skinny wheels do the trick!
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
Definitely interested in ow they ride. Did you get the barrels or half cones?
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just got new set of thunder 148 with the orange clear bushing.
2 weeks in and the top crook bushing already chunked out... man what the fuck
I love the thunder turn and pinch but on top of that short ass baseplate? man
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
14mm half cones (to match the thunder stocks); low top tho as I always sand down thunder tops to get them a bit looser as nut flush on stock is much too tight for me.
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Damn, I have Indy bottom bushing in my Thunders. Am I blowing it? Need to get some new ones either way.
I skate indy orange bushings in my thunders. But I’ve also never skated stock thunder bushings in them so I can’t tell ya if they feel different!
If they're working, that's all that matters!
Thunder bottoms, like ACE tops, are oddly large (taller) compared to other brands.
I was feeling frisky and picked up some NFGs to try out in thunders: 14mm 90a bottoms, 95 a low 8mm tops + pivots
I ordered some (yellow) 90a thunder bushings to swap with my orange 90a indy bushings I always ride. I’m thinking I’m going to just out my indy bushings right back in after ten minutes, but I’m going to fight through it and give it an honest try! Will report back when they come in and I’ve had my first session or two on them!
Edit: my biggest gripe with thunder bushings before is that they crumble almost immediately.
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these got posted today for all you thunder lovers. the description on instagram for anyone who doesn't click through
⚡️New Bushings⚡️
Ultra Responsive Urethane - Made for Thunder Trucks.
🔵100 Duro - Extra Hard
🔴97 Duro - Hard
❄️94 Duro - Medium Hard
🍊90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
⚪️90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
Factory Stock = Standard bushings in all Thunder Trucks.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdYp410LGQi/
interesting that they decided to put 'factory stock' on the label and offer two colors of 90a. also nothing softer than 90a, not that i've ever heard anyone on thunders saying they wanted a softer bushing i don't think
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⚡️New Bushings⚡️
Ultra Responsive Urethane - Made for Thunder Trucks.
🔵100 Duro - Extra Hard
🔴97 Duro - Hard
❄️94 Duro - Medium Hard
🍊90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
⚪️90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
Factory Stock = Standard bushings in all Thunder Trucks.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdYp410LGQi/
interesting that they decided to put 'factory stock' on the label and offer two colors of 90a. also nothing softer than 90a, not that i've ever heard anyone on thunders saying they wanted a softer bushing i don't think
"New Bushings" like new colors or actually something new?
Btw has anybody heard of pig bushings? My local just got a huge amount of them in 81, 91 and 96a.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171 (https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171)
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NFG's bushings are live
WWW.NFGMFG.COM
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these got posted today for all you thunder lovers. the description on instagram for anyone who doesn't click through
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⚡️New Bushings⚡️
Ultra Responsive Urethane - Made for Thunder Trucks.
🔵100 Duro - Extra Hard
🔴97 Duro - Hard
❄️94 Duro - Medium Hard
🍊90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
⚪️90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
Factory Stock = Standard bushings in all Thunder Trucks.
http://www.instagram.com/p/CdYp410LGQi/
interesting that they decided to put 'factory stock' on the label and offer two colors of 90a. also nothing softer than 90a, not that i've ever heard anyone on thunders saying they wanted a softer bushing i don't think
NO they can not get rid of the gummy yellow 90 duros!
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these got posted today for all you thunder lovers. the description on instagram for anyone who doesn't click through
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⚡️New Bushings⚡️
Ultra Responsive Urethane - Made for Thunder Trucks.
🔵100 Duro - Extra Hard
🔴97 Duro - Hard
❄️94 Duro - Medium Hard
🍊90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
⚪️90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
Factory Stock = Standard bushings in all Thunder Trucks.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdYp410LGQi/
interesting that they decided to put 'factory stock' on the label and offer two colors of 90a. also nothing softer than 90a, not that i've ever heard anyone on thunders saying they wanted a softer bushing i don't think
"New Bushings" like new colors or actually something new?
Btw has anybody heard of pig bushings? My local just got a huge amount of them in 81, 91 and 96a.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171 (https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171)
Same old, same old; just some new colors.
(https://i.ibb.co/DbcVsTW/unnamed-1.png) (https://ibb.co/DbcVsTW)
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so that means the biggest news about the bushings is that the heart-grenade is nowhere to be seen
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so that means the biggest news about the bushings is that the heart-grenade is nowhere to be seen
Thunder confirmed gifted hater fans, he shits on the logo in his new patreon video. Someone leaked it in the gifted topic.
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so that means the biggest news about the bushings is that the heart-grenade is nowhere to be seen
Thunder confirmed gifted hater fans, he shits on the logo in his new patreon video. Someone leaked it in the gifted topic.
My 32 year old ass just paid for a heart grenade sticker at a skateshop 8)
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hope this means new supercush are coming out
the 97a are my favorite but out of stock almost everywhere
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so that means the biggest news about the bushings is that the heart-grenade is nowhere to be seen
Thunder confirmed gifted hater fans, he shits on the logo in his new patreon video. Someone leaked it in the gifted topic.
My 32 year old ass just paid for a heart grenade sticker at a skateshop 8)
Hell yeah. Have a gnar.
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Btw has anybody heard of pig bushings? My local just got a huge amount of them in 81, 91 and 96a.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171 (https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171)
That is interesting, but I don't know anything about them.
One thing I had noticed is that it seemed like Pig products had been coming out thick and fast in all manner of new and tried / tested varieties of everything from tools, wax, grip, bolts, bearings, rails, risers and everything in between, so it would be no surprise that they started bringing out bushings now as well. That is on top of wheels and all the clothing stuff too.
It bugs me that they have the different duros in all the same colours, where I could easily tell which was which before with any colour bushings from Indy, Thunder, or other bushing manufacturers, but overall Pig products seemed to be of reasonable quality in everything I had seen, so if they work, then there is nothing to complain about.
No bushings on here (yet) but everything else is:
https://pigwheels.com/
So Cal has some too, with more pics:
https://socalskateshop.com/Pig-Wheels-Bushings-Medium-Blue-91a.html
This from ebay:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZAcAAOSw4QliYW6a/s-l500.jpg)
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Also just noticed and had to double check, but the Pig bushings are the same duro as the Bones bushings.
Soft 81
Medium 91
Hard 96
Funny about that isn't it...
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Those Pig bushings in the olive color are cool looking. I'm sure they aren't Ace height though, or else i'd try em out
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hmm i hope the pig bushings are good.
Pig is a brand that ive always been a sucker for but havent had a single product of theirs i could back besides the tool.
would be cool if they made cool shit ;D
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these got posted today for all you thunder lovers. the description on instagram for anyone who doesn't click through
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⚡️New Bushings⚡️
Ultra Responsive Urethane - Made for Thunder Trucks.
🔵100 Duro - Extra Hard
🔴97 Duro - Hard
❄️94 Duro - Medium Hard
🍊90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
⚪️90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
Factory Stock = Standard bushings in all Thunder Trucks.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdYp410LGQi/
interesting that they decided to put 'factory stock' on the label and offer two colors of 90a. also nothing softer than 90a, not that i've ever heard anyone on thunders saying they wanted a softer bushing i don't think
I'm considering setting up a twin tail with some thunders that I'm not really riding, and I may need to cop those 94 ice blues for it....
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these got posted today for all you thunder lovers. the description on instagram for anyone who doesn't click through
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⚡️New Bushings⚡️
Ultra Responsive Urethane - Made for Thunder Trucks.
🔵100 Duro - Extra Hard
🔴97 Duro - Hard
❄️94 Duro - Medium Hard
🍊90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
⚪️90 Duro - Medium (Factory Stock)
Factory Stock = Standard bushings in all Thunder Trucks.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdYp410LGQi/
interesting that they decided to put 'factory stock' on the label and offer two colors of 90a. also nothing softer than 90a, not that i've ever heard anyone on thunders saying they wanted a softer bushing i don't think
I'm considering setting up a twin tail with some thunders that I'm not really riding, and I may need to cop those 94 ice blues for it....
The Ice blue are the best no doubt. Got some of 90a stock clear tealish ones kicking around. Such a good colorway.
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Thought it was relevant enough to add to the bushing thread:
Do bushings get softer when it's hot? I skate Indy's and just moved to a hotter area and it really felt like my shit was looser. 50-65F before and 65-90F new location.
Yes, bushings from most brands definitely change with the temperature.
The one time I went on a "cold weather" trip when we were kids, our bushings were like rocks and none of us could skate and we didn't know why until someone explained it to us.
The same happens in warmer weather, with bushings feeling softer.
I forget who, but someone once said they always tighten their trucks down a full turn in warmer places, or loosen it off a full turn in colder places and it worked well for them.
Also I think people have said Bones bushings are least likely to be affected by the temperature, and Ace as post I added below too.
Also to the discussion about the weather resistance of Ace bushings I’d like to say that I find both Classics and AF1s to be 100% weather resistant which is great living in Finland where the temperatures vary from -30°C to +30°C.
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Soft bones top and stock ace bottom
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I feel like Ace bushings are like a very linear steering damper. They are happy to support you in whichever direction you want to go, straight, left or right. Very steady, predictable and confidence inspiring, but they don't provide any rebound or bottom out resistance. However, wheelbite is soooo gentle, it's more like wheellick.
Indys don't want to go straight, they just want you to pick left or right. The orange bushings provide a small bit of feeling and responsiveness during most of their arc and only minimal push back towards the end. The blue bushings are kinda feelingless towards the middle of the arc, and are more like hard bump stops towards the end of the travel. I could ride these with the top washer rattling loose, but still not get wheelbite.
Thunders want to stay centered but will let you turn. Their bushings are extremely progressive. A little adjustment to the kingpin nut makes a huge difference
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Has anyone seen the new Thunder bushings in stores yet? I've checked all my locals and no one has them yet. Don't want to buy online but I may not have a choice....
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Apparently doh doh don’t get soft in hot weather or hard in cold.
I live in ny and believe them. Definitely better than stock indy bushings
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Btw has anybody heard of pig bushings? My local just got a huge amount of them in 81, 91 and 96a.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171 (https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171)
That is interesting, but I don't know anything about them.
One thing I had noticed is that it seemed like Pig products had been coming out thick and fast in all manner of new and tried / tested varieties of everything from tools, wax, grip, bolts, bearings, rails, risers and everything in between, so it would be no surprise that they started bringing out bushings now as well. That is on top of wheels and all the clothing stuff too.
It bugs me that they have the different duros in all the same colours, where I could easily tell which was which before with any colour bushings from Indy, Thunder, or other bushing manufacturers, but overall Pig products seemed to be of reasonable quality in everything I had seen, so if they work, then there is nothing to complain about.
No bushings on here (yet) but everything else is:
https://pigwheels.com/
So Cal has some too, with more pics:
https://socalskateshop.com/Pig-Wheels-Bushings-Medium-Blue-91a.html
This from ebay:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZAcAAOSw4QliYW6a/s-l500.jpg)
Just got them and plugged them on my aces
Even in the all turning ace they feel not good, maybe I need to break them in some more but off the bat
They feel like generic truck bushings, they’re stiff initially but start slouching when you lean to turn and don’t really rebound back to center
Like I said though maybe I just need to break them in, I’m trying the green 91a right now and have some 96a in white on standby
So far I think stock bushings in all the top trucks are best in their respective trucks besides the harder/softer options they have like the thunder and ace hard upgrade
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Btw has anybody heard of pig bushings? My local just got a huge amount of them in 81, 91 and 96a.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171 (https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171)
That is interesting, but I don't know anything about them.
One thing I had noticed is that it seemed like Pig products had been coming out thick and fast in all manner of new and tried / tested varieties of everything from tools, wax, grip, bolts, bearings, rails, risers and everything in between, so it would be no surprise that they started bringing out bushings now as well. That is on top of wheels and all the clothing stuff too.
It bugs me that they have the different duros in all the same colours, where I could easily tell which was which before with any colour bushings from Indy, Thunder, or other bushing manufacturers, but overall Pig products seemed to be of reasonable quality in everything I had seen, so if they work, then there is nothing to complain about.
No bushings on here (yet) but everything else is:
https://pigwheels.com/
So Cal has some too, with more pics:
https://socalskateshop.com/Pig-Wheels-Bushings-Medium-Blue-91a.html
This from ebay:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZAcAAOSw4QliYW6a/s-l500.jpg)
Just got them and plugged them on my aces
Even in the all turning ace they feel not good, maybe I need to break them in some more but off the bat
They feel like generic truck bushings, they’re stiff initially but start slouching when you lean to turn and don’t really rebound back to center
Like I said though maybe I just need to break them in, I’m trying the green 91a right now and have some 96a in white on standby
So far I think stock bushings in all the top trucks are best in their respective trucks besides the harder/softer options they have like the thunder and ace hard upgrade
That is interesting, especially considering how many people skate Ace trucks with stock bushings, but I do know some that swap straight out for Bones medium bushings.
From having a set of minimally used Ace AF1 55s as well as a few sets of Ace Classics, I definitely think the stock bushings work well in them, but I also tried quite a few others just to see, including stock Indy with the kingpin nut flush and those things were almost wobbly loose.
The harder bushings might work well, with the kingpin nut not done up so tight, still giving movement but keeping the trucks a little more steady, from what I had found.
See how they feel after a few more sessions anyway.
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Do people actually find the Indy blue bushings much harder than the stock? I tried them and I felt by the time I got them the way I wanted they were about the exact same number of threads as stock.
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Do people actually find the Indy blue bushings much harder than the stock? I tried them and I felt by the time I got them the way I wanted they were about the exact same number of threads as stock.
A lot harder. They feel similar brand new but once broken in they are significantly harder. I weigh 210lbs and I can run them with the top washer rattling loose and still lean it up on two wheels with no bite.
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Word cuz I ran them nuts flush when my orange have a thread-1.5 threads showing and wheelbit/ate shit
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Btw has anybody heard of pig bushings? My local just got a huge amount of them in 81, 91 and 96a.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171 (https://www.freedomskateshop.at/de/skate/skateboard-zubehoer/skateboard-lenkgummis?hersteller=171)
That is interesting, but I don't know anything about them.
One thing I had noticed is that it seemed like Pig products had been coming out thick and fast in all manner of new and tried / tested varieties of everything from tools, wax, grip, bolts, bearings, rails, risers and everything in between, so it would be no surprise that they started bringing out bushings now as well. That is on top of wheels and all the clothing stuff too.
It bugs me that they have the different duros in all the same colours, where I could easily tell which was which before with any colour bushings from Indy, Thunder, or other bushing manufacturers, but overall Pig products seemed to be of reasonable quality in everything I had seen, so if they work, then there is nothing to complain about.
No bushings on here (yet) but everything else is:
https://pigwheels.com/
So Cal has some too, with more pics:
https://socalskateshop.com/Pig-Wheels-Bushings-Medium-Blue-91a.html
This from ebay:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZAcAAOSw4QliYW6a/s-l500.jpg)
Just got them and plugged them on my aces
Even in the all turning ace they feel not good, maybe I need to break them in some more but off the bat
They feel like generic truck bushings, they’re stiff initially but start slouching when you lean to turn and don’t really rebound back to center
Like I said though maybe I just need to break them in, I’m trying the green 91a right now and have some 96a in white on standby
So far I think stock bushings in all the top trucks are best in their respective trucks besides the harder/softer options they have like the thunder and ace hard upgrade
That is interesting, especially considering how many people skate Ace trucks with stock bushings, but I do know some that swap straight out for Bones medium bushings.
From having a set of minimally used Ace AF1 55s as well as a few sets of Ace Classics, I definitely think the stock bushings work well in them, but I also tried quite a few others just to see, including stock Indy with the kingpin nut flush and those things were almost wobbly loose.
The harder bushings might work well, with the kingpin nut not done up so tight, still giving movement but keeping the trucks a little more steady, from what I had found.
See how they feel after a few more sessions anyway.
Definitely, gonna see if they’re like most good bushings where once you break them in they just work.
Hopefully cause I like pigs stuff, of the top wheel brands pig and ricta take my third but nothing tops spits and bones
Now that pig has bushings and bones has had bushings for the longest let’s get some spitfire bushings which will probably just be rebranded thunder/venture/deluxe bushings
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Do people actually find the Indy blue bushings much harder than the stock? I tried them and I felt by the time I got them the way I wanted they were about the exact same number of threads as stock.
Not at all for me, although the blues I got were the conical bottom, not the barrel bottom. to me, they're the best replacement if you can't get the stock oranges because they gave the most comparable feeling.
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State your weight, trucks, bushings, and what you skate
152 lbs. Indy 144 Forged Titaniums. Bones Mediums. A bit of everything but mostly street.
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130 lbs, Indy 149 hollows, stock, skreets
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6 foot 3, 162, 144 Indy Standard Hollow, I like skating curbs, manual pads, ledges, mild transition.
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180, Indy 149 forged hollows, bones hards, mostly park and alot of flat
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195lbs, Indy 149 Hollow Standard, Indy 90 (medium) Conical Aftermarket bushings, park/street: manuals/ledges/curbs/flat ground/transition
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185 lbs on Indy 144 Tits with Indy 92a aftermarket barrell bushings (top bushing cut in half).
I skate everything except transition above 60"
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Ok re-assessment
Turns out the pig bushings are great, I just had them too tight, put them in my bigger setup
8.18 krooked, 44 ace af1, 52mm bones easy street
They’re really good, defiantly recommend giving them a try
Not sure on the 96a or the option softer than the 91 but I have the green 91 in my ace af1 dialed 2 threads on the front and 3 on the back and they’re really stable and responsive, almost like a thunder
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any idea on how tall they are? wouldnt mind trying the 96a
if they fit at least
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Thunder bottom bushings are pretty tall, I grabbed the new news with the updated packaging on em in the white 90a and used the bottom ones with a flat washer underneath and the stock top Ace AF1 bushing, Bones flat washer on top. KILLER fucking turn. My new favorite combo. It feels even more bouncy and responsive than using both stock Ace bushings.
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Hmm... I thought the white thunder bushings wasent that good?
I got a free pair of Guy Mariano Thunders which has the white ones, but ive not skated them yet.
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Do people actually find the Indy blue bushings much harder than the stock? I tried them and I felt by the time I got them the way I wanted they were about the exact same number of threads as stock.
If you want hard Indy bushings, there's no bushing on earth as hard as the "Soft" red Indy offering.
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On the topic of bushings, but about the bushings you're NOT running. How do you guys store bushings? And all the other urethane like wheels and possibly pivot cups of course. Should bushings be stored freely or compressed in a truck? Airtight?
I'm talking about storage for years of course, not just the short time you're not skating it.
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Hmm... I thought the white thunder bushings wasent that good?
I got a free pair of Guy Mariano Thunders which has the white ones, but ive not skated them yet.
I don't know if their aftermarket ones are different than stock by much, as I don't skate Thunders, but these white ones are definitely excellent in my AF1's. I will note that one of the top bushings in the tube literally came split 3/4 of the way down into the bushing, no idea how that made it into the packaging to be shipped out. The tops are too short anyways for Ace's so I wouldn't have used em anyways. Too much kingpin sticking out when you tighten the nut properly vs. Ace's top bushings which is nice n tall.
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175 lbs. i run stock venture bushings on 5.6s and 5.8s.
i tried bones med and i dont understand em, trucks wheelbite like crazy. probably just because im sloppy? people stand on my board and say i ride tight but when i stand on it i can make it wheelbite easily just with my heel.
my current bushings have big gouges, so it might be time for new ones. was thinking about NFG but i hope to cure/avoid madness by sticking as close to stock as possible
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On the topic of bushings, but about the bushings you're NOT running. How do you guys store bushings? And all the other urethane like wheels and possibly pivot cups of course. Should bushings be stored freely or compressed in a truck? Airtight?
I'm talking about storage for years of course, not just the short time you're not skating it.
I think, like most polyurethane products, it’s best if they’re stored away from sunlight and too much ozone. All my skate shit goes in a metal popcorn tin I took from work a decade ago, most in plastic bags I’ve rescued. It lives in a closet when it’s not out and I think that’s probably perfectly safe for the quality and durability of the products in question.
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96a tall Riptide Krank barrels cut down to 14mm in a pair of 149 Ti Thunders with a 85mm Krux roadside bushing. Recenters fast and feels surfy. Also doesn’t wheelbite much with 54mm wheels and no risers. It’s nice not getting pitched.
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any idea on how tall they are? wouldnt mind trying the 96a
if they fit at least
I’ll try to come back with a comparison pic for size between a stock barely skated af1 and my unopened pig 96a for an good side to side view
The pigs are definitely shorter than stock af1 bushings but not crazy different you’d have to crank them like I did
I just can’t skate loose like the pros so I think a thread dialed in is the flush tightness most would prefer them
Rode my regular af1 44 with the pig green 91a again, and still shocked at how good the trucks feel!
Legit guys, the pig bushings make the af1 feel like thunders
Stable and responsive
Now ace needs to make some hards for the lows, I swapped out the top for a ace hard and way better and more stable with the signature turn but I would still prefer a hard option for the lows
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Now ace needs to make some hards for the lows, I swapped out the top for a ace hard and way better and more stable with the signature turn but I would still prefer a hard option for the lows
Weird they didn't stick with a dual duro solution.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/BUSHINGS_LOW-FRONT_1024x1024.jpg?v=1653318170)
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings
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Now ace needs to make some hards for the lows, I swapped out the top for a ace hard and way better and more stable with the signature turn but I would still prefer a hard option for the lows
Weird they didn't stick with a dual duro solution.
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings
I was pretty keen to see a side pic or anything, but showing them in the packet doesn't help with dimensions. Not that it is a big deal to me really. Sure they would be just the right height for those trucks.
As for duro, I guess it is easier to just have things at a significantly harder duro for both for the "hard" bushings. Had to recheck what the usual bushings were, so copied it to here as well.
Ace Hard Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics
Top - 94a
Bottom - 94a
Ace Standard/Stock Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics
Top - 91a
Bottom - 86a
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Now ace needs to make some hards for the lows, I swapped out the top for a ace hard and way better and more stable with the signature turn but I would still prefer a hard option for the lows
Weird they didn't stick with a dual duro solution.
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings
I was pretty keen to see a side pic or anything, but showing them in the packet doesn't help with dimensions. Not that it is a big deal to me really. Sure they would be just the right height for those trucks.
As for duro, I guess it is easier to just have things at a significantly harder duro for both for the "hard" bushings. Had to recheck
It was proof they exist, nothing more. They match up to previous lows.
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I found the Ace hard bushings to be kinda meh. Honestly, I've been feeling that way about every type of bushing lately besides stock/medium Ace and the white 90a Thunder bushings I scooped over the weekend. Riptide pivot cups are pretty rad but I never found their bushings to perform like Ace's. Might need to try out those Venom's though, Xen.
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Yeah, I don’t know why Ace didn’t go for 91/94 on the hard set. I like their hard bushings, but I always find myself wanting a little bit more turn when I ride them.
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I found the Ace hard bushings to be kinda meh. Honestly, I've been feeling that way about every type of bushing lately besides stock/medium Ace and the white 90a Thunder bushings I scooped over the weekend. Riptide pivot cups are pretty rad but I never found their bushings to perform like Ace's. Might need to try out those Venom's though, Xen.
I can’t ride thunders without them now, they just feel right to me for how I want thunders to feel. I still get some bite but I’m going wheel wells again soon; last time I had them was a polar, 148 teams and the venoms, really good setup.
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any idea on how tall they are? wouldnt mind trying the 96a
if they fit at least
(https://i.ibb.co/BPnmKPY/BABDB354-8-D85-4-EE4-A199-D4-DABE121-DB2.jpg)
I tried the brand new hards in the regular af1 44 and the 96a pigs and oddly I prefer the 91a pig olive greens
For some reason the white 96a pig felt softer than the 91a though, very strange
The hards just felt like a stiffer stock ace so I had to run back to the green 91a pigs
Idk what it is but they make the trucks feel very responsive
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Now ace needs to make some hards for the lows, I swapped out the top for a ace hard and way better and more stable with the signature turn but I would still prefer a hard option for the lows
Weird they didn't stick with a dual duro solution.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/BUSHINGS_LOW-FRONT_1024x1024.jpg?v=1653318170)
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings
Thanks dude, now to order these
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What is a good replacement bushing for thunders? I love the stock thunder feel but the bottom bushings keep crumbling for me. I ride them basically stock and weigh 70-75kg.
Indy conicals were okay. I didn't like bones in thunders. NFG bushings are not available in EU. Venom SPF/HPF in 88/90? It seems they have the same 14mm height in the bottom bushing.
I just want stock thunder feel without the bushings breaking all the time.
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My Venture 6.1 Stock Bushings are starting to wear away. Are my only options of aftermarket replacements going to be the Loose Truck Conversion Bushing or the Bones Medium Bushings? Thanks.
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What is a good replacement bushing for thunders? I love the stock thunder feel but the bottom bushings keep crumbling for me. I ride them basically stock and weigh 70-75kg.
Indy conicals were okay. I didn't like bones in thunders. NFG bushings are not available in EU. Venom SPF/HPF in 88/90? It seems they have the same 14mm height in the bottom bushing.
I just want stock thunder feel without the bushings breaking all the time.
I haven't checked my aftermarket Thunder bushings yet in my Ace's (I only used the bottoms) but I don't think they're crumbling. Try those for your Thunders?
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My Venture 6.1 Stock Bushings are starting to wear away. Are my only options of aftermarket replacements going to be the Loose Truck Conversion Bushing or the Bones Medium Bushings? Thanks.
dlx supercush bushings are basically venture aftermarkets
ive tried the 94 and 97a in 6.1s and highly recommend em
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My Venture 6.1 Stock Bushings are starting to wear away. Are my only options of aftermarket replacements going to be the Loose Truck Conversion Bushing or the Bones Medium Bushings? Thanks.
ive tried the 94 and 97a in 6.1s and highly recommend em
I thought the same thing, but it doesn’t look like they are sold anymore or at least stocked anymore.
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My Venture 6.1 Stock Bushings are starting to wear away. Are my only options of aftermarket replacements going to be the Loose Truck Conversion Bushing or the Bones Medium Bushings? Thanks.
ive tried the 94 and 97a in 6.1s and highly recommend em
seasons has them all except the 94's and 88's it looks like. 90 would be what is comparable to stock on venture
https://seasonsskateshop.com/products/supercush-bushings?variant=39597955940504
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My Venture 6.1 Stock Bushings are starting to wear away. Are my only options of aftermarket replacements going to be the Loose Truck Conversion Bushing or the Bones Medium Bushings? Thanks.
ive tried the 94 and 97a in 6.1s and highly recommend em
https://seasonsskateshop.com/products/supercush-bushings?variant=39597955940504
dude… sick! thank you
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What is a good replacement bushing for thunders? I love the stock thunder feel but the bottom bushings keep crumbling for me. I ride them basically stock and weigh 70-75kg.
Indy conicals were okay. I didn't like bones in thunders. NFG bushings are not available in EU. Venom SPF/HPF in 88/90? It seems they have the same 14mm height in the bottom bushing.
I just want stock thunder feel without the bushings breaking all the time.
Venom bottoms, whatever low hard top.
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Anyone able to explain the benefits of sleeved washers? Asked in another thread but no one has bit thus far.
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Anyone able to explain the benefits of sleeved washers? Asked in another thread but no one has bit thus far.
I think the idea is they act like the core in a Bones bushing. Keeps the bushings from stretching out around the kingpin so much, everything works a little more like a single unit, more snappy and responsive.
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Anyone able to explain the benefits of sleeved washers? Asked in another thread but no one has bit thus far.
@Xen is the guy to talk to there I think.
This post:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3805659#msg3805659
Fresh Thunder TI 149s
Flat sleeved washers
NGF 95a low top (feels much softer tho)
Venom 86a bottom (sanded down about 1mm)
Been riding various 148/161 Thunders of late, cast/forged, ollies are good, balance point good, wheebite is shit (148s on 8.3s).
Bushing-wise after playing with indy/nfg conicals and stock, I took my own advice and slapped in the Venom 86a bottom bushing and they're as good as I remember; easily the next best thing to stock if you want something a little softer with waaaaaaay more rebound - coming off the NFG bottoms it's night and day. With the better rebound and sleeved washers I get out of wheelbite territory much faster, even on forged plates.
I threw in the low nfg top, doesn't seem to make a different other than it being low so I can actually get the pin to catch the nylock and have it turn better than stock (too tight using stockheight, nut flush). But honestly any lower top would work just fine.
(https://i.ibb.co/6trYpZw/IMG-2827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6trYpZw)
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@Ronnie Rodriguez
Flat bottom washers allow for greater bushing deformation (deeper turning/lean), whereas cupped washers restrict the bushing’s ability to deform past a certain point...so you turn/lean and then the washer stops the bushing from going further (some people like this 'limit' as it's an automatic stopping point).
Flat top washers curb washer binding with the hanger on some trucks (Venture).
The sleeved washers give you better rebound/snap back to center (like bones, theoretically, anyway), especially with low rebound bushings (thunder).
Overall, they're great for someone that rides loose but wants rebound and not mushy trucks. They work wonders in thunders/Ventures (i.e. tighter riding trucks) with the right bushings (and improve stock bushing reaction greatly).
Longboard shit (but universal application):
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard-guide/bushings/washers
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Thanks. Impulsively bought a set and am trying to figure out the best way to run them. I typically skate Indys with Ace low bushings and prefer something that turns deep and snaps back quickly.
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I have the barrel and conical Array sleeved washers and couldn't find where I put the conical ones, so I'm using those silver flat washers that Riptide will throw in with their bushings upon request, underneath my Thunder 90a whites in my Ace's. They've been broken in for about a week or so and firmed up to a great feeling durometer, the rebound is still excellent back to center, I notice little to no difference not having the sleeved washers this time around.
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This was interesting to see:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdEoVcaJ89f/
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This was interesting to see:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdEoVcaJ89f/
The Venture top bushing here is intriguing height wise. Looks like it has a similar height as the Indy top bushing I usually cut. And I like the green color ^^
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This was interesting to see:
The Venture top bushing here is intriguing height wise. Looks like it has a similar height as the Indy top bushing I usually cut. And I like the green color ^^
The green does look good!
I have a lifetime supply of the Indy aftermarket low top bushings (mainly the old red ones, but also some blue and orange when they came out later) so these remind me of them, or any low top bushing will be about the same height.
Cutting down normal top bushings works, but a lot of the time they will not widen out quite as much to cover the top hanger area, which is not a problem to me, but I know some people have issue with it.
It does make it easier to just get something without having to mess with it to make it work, so I am wondering if they will release other bushings (Thunder) with the low tops as well.
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This was interesting to see:
The Venture top bushing here is intriguing height wise. Looks like it has a similar height as the Indy top bushing I usually cut. And I like the green color ^^
The green does look good!
I have a lifetime supply of the Indy aftermarket low top bushings (mainly the old red ones, but also some blue and orange when they came out later) so these remind me of them, or any low top bushing will be about the same height.
Cutting down normal top bushings works, but a lot of the time they will not widen out quite as much to cover the top hanger area, which is not a problem to me, but I know some people have issue with it.
It does make it easier to just get something without having to mess with it to make it work, so I am wondering if they will release other bushings (Thunder) with the low tops as well.
I always cut down the top (shorter part) of the top bushing because I think if you cut the bottom part of the top bushing, the bushing won't fit that great into the hangar.
But if you cut too much of the top bushing the cupwasher don't fit anymore, that's why I am looking for low top bushings. The Indy ones aren't in stock anymore in all of Europe it seems. Maybe I should look for something like a 92a-94a Venture/DLX bushing set or some other brands?
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This was interesting to see:
The Venture top bushing here is intriguing height wise. Looks like it has a similar height as the Indy top bushing I usually cut. And I like the green color ^^
The green does look good!
I have a lifetime supply of the Indy aftermarket low top bushings (mainly the old red ones, but also some blue and orange when they came out later) so these remind me of them, or any low top bushing will be about the same height.
Cutting down normal top bushings works, but a lot of the time they will not widen out quite as much to cover the top hanger area, which is not a problem to me, but I know some people have issue with it.
It does make it easier to just get something without having to mess with it to make it work, so I am wondering if they will release other bushings (Thunder) with the low tops as well.
I always cut down the top (shorter part) of the top bushing because I think if you cut the bottom part of the top bushing, the bushing won't fit that great into the hangar.
But if you cut too much of the top bushing the cupwasher don't fit anymore, that's why I am looking for low top bushings. The Indy ones aren't in stock anymore in all of Europe it seems. Maybe I should look for something like a 92a-94a Venture/DLX bushing set or some other brands?
Yes things like those Indy bushings being old and completely out of stock, or other current products being difficult to get in your location makes things harder.
Maybe the Venture bushings are the best bet, or Xen's wisdom on other bushings to provide options.
The new NFG bushings definitely come in lower tops, but would be very expensive to get to you with their small scale of production and limited shipping options.
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Dumbest question I'll ever ask- does anyone find the aftermarket Indy 90a bushings softer than the stock?
Next dumbest question- would it make more sense to grind down the kingpin with 90A that are more tightened or swap to 92A? Asking for a friend.
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Thanks @Mbrimson88 I enjoy all your knowledge.
Yo, @Xen you got any advice for lower top bushings for Indy trucks? Preferably in 92a to 94a.
And @LebowskisRug I also find that the aftermarket 90a seem softer as the stock ones. Maybe they aren't compressed enough and harden over time? I ran the combo of 90a bottoms and 92a top bushings for a few years and now I like the 92a the most. I think it is generally a better idea to get harder bushings instead of tightening bushings down. The goal is to get the nut flush with the kingpin, right? And harder top bushings can be easier modified I think, using a flat washer instead of a cupped one or just cut or sand the top bushing down a bit. Although sanding down bushings takes forever without a angle grinder or a knife.
I also have a dumb question.
What is with boiling bushings? Anyone every tried to soften harder bushings that way?
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Thanks @Mbrimson88 I enjoy all your knowledge.
Yo, @Xen you got any advice for lower top bushings for Indy trucks? Preferably in 92a to 94a.
I also have a dumb question.
What is with boiling bushings? Anyone every tried to soften harder bushings that way?
Low tops are hard to find. NFG, ACE, etc.
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Dumbest question I'll ever ask- does anyone find the aftermarket Indy 90a bushings softer than the stock?
Next dumbest question- would it make more sense to grind down the kingpin with 90A that are more tightened or swap to 92A? Asking for a friend.
I definitely found the aftermarket 90s softer than stock, but they do seem like different compounds too.
Stock start off mushy and then firm up a bit more, but only a bit, especially the newer ones, whereas the older formula used to harden up to the point where the bushings would end up too hard / trucks too tight for me with stock from back once upon a time.
Aftermarket might be a touch harder in the first instance, but soften right up and stay softer.
For me the 92 duro bushings just felt perfect, especially when I got my hands on the lower top versions, but I still regularly cut about 1 mm from the bottom of the top normal height bushing for lots of people for two reasons, both to get things a little looser for the lighter bodies, but also to get the nut down lower and not have it sitting up at all, which in turn can even give me some room to use an angle grinder on the top of the kingpin, which then allows more clearance, especially when trucks are getting to axle. I deal with a lot of older and well used trucks, more so than having to do this right from go with new trucks, but on a few of my boards with standard Indy trucks, I have taken the top three or so threads off the kingpins with these bushings and the clearance is unbelievable and they still perform exactly as they should.
I have definitely found that slightly harder bushings will work better for me, even though I still run a normal setup with fairly loose trucks - can stand on the board and sit on heels or toes to touch wheel to deck - but as the bushings are a bit firmer, they give me more stability overall too and it takes a little more effort to end up leaning too far and wheelbite, compared to some like stock, which are softer taller bushings, even when tightened down so they feel tighter than my usual ride, which is funny but it works.
@fs1/2cab As for boiling bushings, I have never tried it, nor have I skated any boards that have had it done, but maybe it is just one of those things, like someone put wheels in their freezer, someone else left wheels out in the sun, someone parks on their decks, or any other thing that might seem weird but works for them.
I know I have a long arms list of all the funny things I have done or know I can do to modify skateboard product, shoes, pants, clothing and all the rest to make it just how I like it or make it work for someone who is having issues, but maybe I will have to try it at least once just to see what all the fuss is about.
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I might actually try to find some stock Indy bushings then. Something in my head makes me want to skate the oranges.
Odd question but why don't pros skate anything other than Bones in trucks? Don't recall seeing anyone on the aftermarket Indy Bushings apart from Reynolds once or twice, but he just cranks his orange it seems and doesn't care.
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I might actually try to find some stock Indy bushings then. Something in my head makes me want to skate the oranges.
Odd question but why don't pros skate anything other than Bones in trucks? Don't recall seeing anyone on the aftermarket Indy Bushings apart from Reynolds once or twice, but he just cranks his orange it seems and doesn't care.
Between superstition and history, I think most things are covered.
History was that Indy bushings were pretty bad back in the day and I still see people who will never ever ride a single day of stock bushings because of that.
Bones because they have been in their current form for a long time and people get used to them and don't like change, but also I think some pro dudes might have hook ups with shops or Powell corp and get them in their packages if they are on bearings or any other Bones product.
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I'm running Indys with Bones black/hard but hearing a noticeable clicking. Anyone else experience this? I'm not sure if it's the bushings, the top metal washer that came with the Bones, or perhaps the pivot cup.
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I'm running Indys with Bones black/hard but hearing a noticeable clicking. Anyone else experience this? I'm not sure if it's the bushings, the top metal washer that came with the Bones, or perhaps the pivot cup.
they usually click for a few sessions
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I'm running Indys with Bones black/hard but hearing a noticeable clicking. Anyone else experience this? I'm not sure if it's the bushings, the top metal washer that came with the Bones, or perhaps the pivot cup.
they usually click for a few sessions
Danke. I'll wait it out.
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I'm running Indys with Bones black/hard but hearing a noticeable clicking. Anyone else experience this? I'm not sure if it's the bushings, the top metal washer that came with the Bones, or perhaps the pivot cup.
It will eventually stop. I've been on the same pair for about a year and they are perfect now. They don't freeze up in the cold and they don't mush out in the heat.
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What barrel bushings tend to be temp resistant? I have some Supercush 90a but hated the 94
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@Ronnie Rodriguez
Flat bottom washers allow for greater bushing deformation (deeper turning/lean), whereas cupped washers restrict the bushing’s ability to deform past a certain point...so you turn/lean and then the washer stops the bushing from going further (some people like this 'limit' as it's an automatic stopping point).
Flat top washers curb washer binding with the hanger on some trucks (Venture).
The sleeved washers give you better rebound/snap back to center (like bones, theoretically, anyway), especially with low rebound bushings (thunder).
Overall, they're great for someone that rides loose but wants rebound and not mushy trucks. They work wonders in thunders/Ventures (i.e. tighter riding trucks) with the right bushings (and improve stock bushing reaction greatly).
Longboard shit (but universal application):
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard-guide/bushings/washers
Here’s another option, if you don’t mind supporting Amazon. Really happy with mine, I suspect I’ll be moving these from truck to truck with time.
MCB Skate Precision Bushing Washers https://a.co/d/j5TRLih
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This was interesting to see:
The Venture top bushing here is intriguing height wise. Looks like it has a similar height as the Indy top bushing I usually cut. And I like the green color ^^
The green does look good!
I have a lifetime supply of the Indy aftermarket low top bushings (mainly the old red ones, but also some blue and orange when they came out later) so these remind me of them, or any low top bushing will be about the same height.
Cutting down normal top bushings works, but a lot of the time they will not widen out quite as much to cover the top hanger area, which is not a problem to me, but I know some people have issue with it.
It does make it easier to just get something without having to mess with it to make it work, so I am wondering if they will release other bushings (Thunder) with the low tops as well.
I always cut down the top (shorter part) of the top bushing because I think if you cut the bottom part of the top bushing, the bushing won't fit that great into the hangar.
But if you cut too much of the top bushing the cupwasher don't fit anymore, that's why I am looking for low top bushings. The Indy ones aren't in stock anymore in all of Europe it seems. Maybe I should look for something like a 92a-94a Venture/DLX bushing set or some other brands?
You can easily make a low top bushing with you regular top.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmerEX9l0JA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
The IG thing is to show the set up but cut the top off to the height you want, then take 2 flat washers(one the size of the uncut top bushing and 1 the size of the bottom of the bushing), toss it on some 1/2” all thread, chuck it in a drill(hand or press), get some 40,80,&120 or 180grit sand paper put it on a sanding block(start with 40 to rough shape, then the finer grits to finish) turn the drill on and hold the block to the bushing. The washers will stop you from over sanding and give you a guide so it stay the same shape as the original high. A few minutes and maybe a dollar or so and you’ve got low bushings. That’s how I get low tops and super soft conical bottoms.
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You can easily make a low top bushing with you regular top.
The IG thing is to show the set up but cut the top off to the height you want, then take 2 flat washers(one the size of the uncut top bushing and 1 the size of the bottom of the bushing), toss it on some 1/2” all thread, chuck it in a drill(hand or press), get some 40,80,&120 or 180grit sand paper put it on a sanding block(start with 40 to rough shape, then the finer grits to finish) turn the drill on and hold the block to the bushing. The washers will stop you from over sanding and give you a guide so it stay the same shape as the original high. A few minutes and maybe a dollar or so and you’ve got low bushings. That’s how I get low tops and super soft conical bottoms.
Now that is the sort of thing that makes me smile.
Guessing they turn out exactly how you want them with doing that, even more bonus points for using the washers to help with the sizing of things so you get it uniform too, which is something I never really do when I wing it with most modifications.
So good!!!!!
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
I haven’t had to but I’m on the heavier side (195lb) so the stock Orange get plenty loose.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
For a normal weight body, the white ones are crazy, like there is minimal resistance to turn at all, but some people I know like them for how extremely loose they make the trucks.
If you want a little taste of what they are like, just take off all the metal washers on the stock bushings and leave the nut flush. It gives about the same amount of resistance, so if you like that, then you will like the white ones.
Red always seemed harder for some reason, but the newest set I had tried did feel softer - how they should be - but they are still a bit weird compared to the stock orange, for the most part.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JfSZw0z.jpg?1)
My perfectly broken in stock orange bushings
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I don't ride my trucks tight by any means- most people find my board looser and I like the blues.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
The white Indy bushings are ok (more squishy than loose) but I somehow smooshed mine so that they were terminally compressed just by skating flatground, and I did this in very few sessions, and I'm not a big guy.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JfSZw0z.jpg?1)
My perfectly broken in stock orange bushings
Yeah they look just right.
The number of people who have bought new ones or just swapped out bushings just like that is quite funny considering I re use the bushings in other boards and they are perfectly worn in and good to skate. Some people have a bit of a panic attack with the first sign of that, but as long as they still perform how you want them to, don't change them out and they should still last long enough on any trucks. If they crumble a little bit, it makes them feel softer too, which is better for cruiser boards or for younger kids, when I am setting up boards for people, so at least it is a win / win any which way.
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If I’m going to keep the stock bushings in a set of trucks, I don’t tighten or loosen them. I weigh like 230, so they’re plenty surfy. I mostly just cruise around and slash grind stuff or skate curbs.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JfSZw0z.jpg?1)
My perfectly broken in stock orange bushings
Hahaha, I came here to ask which bushings you guys would recommend because my Indy bushings look excactly like that and I noticed the trucks to loosen up significantly in the last week. But I like it, been running my trucks on the looser side for quite some time now and was wondering which duro to get now – pretty light fella here. Now I just think about keeping them like they are...
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(https://i.imgur.com/JfSZw0z.jpg?1)
My perfectly broken in stock orange bushings
Hahaha, I came here to ask which bushings you guys would recommend because my Indy bushings look excactly like that and I noticed the trucks to loosen up significantly in the last week. But I like it, been running my trucks on the looser side for quite some time now and was wondering which duro to get now – pretty light fella here. Now I just think about keeping them like they are...
Yeah if they look like this then they’re perfect. Keep ‘em!!
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My perfectly broken in stock orange bushings
Hahaha, I came here to ask which bushings you guys would recommend because my Indy bushings look excactly like that and I noticed the trucks to loosen up significantly in the last week. But I like it, been running my trucks on the looser side for quite some time now and was wondering which duro to get now – pretty light fella here. Now I just think about keeping them like they are...
Yeah if they look like this then they’re perfect. Keep ‘em!!
The only other thing to note, as I did last night with a board, was to take them apart, check over them and make sure they were still intact in the core area, so just looking like they had issues on the surface and that was it, then turning the cracked looking part to the back of the hanger, or the front depending on how they had worn, but definitely making sure that there was even pressure on each side, more so than one side wearing from heavy heel landings.
Some boards I have even swapped the front for the back too, as the back often got more beat up from heavy landings for some people, or for others crooked grinds and similar things caused more issues to the front bushings.
Just a thought anyway.
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alright finally retiring the nfg bushings & biggest take away that hasn't been covered by resident bushing lord xen is that the tops really compress a ton. so much that i feel like i could have gone a size up in height (i got standard height for venture) and it would have compressed into normalcy. that being said they still felt good and i didn't have as much of an issue with the top getting chewed up like venture stocks. back to supercush for a lil while
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
Conical red aftermarkets are awesome. May be questionable in cold temps, at last from my exp. Feel great though, cut well and look good too.
The super soft white are gushy. I have them on a set up with an Orange top and liked that better. But on their own they just felt too squishy. BTW I run my trucks pretty loose.
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Bones Hardcore Hard in white
(https://i.ibb.co/FshsDLh/PXL-20220917-160150211.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FshsDLh)
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Bones hard top bushing with plastic ring shaved down 1-2 mm and a blue Indy conical bottom bushing. 1.5-ish threads showing and the trucks have symmetrical tightness. I really like how it responds quickly to turns as well as snapping back to center fast, I'm gonna stick with this for as long as the board lasts before allowing myself to succumb to anymore bushing/truck madness
For reference, I'm around 175 lbs ona 9.25 Krooked Barbee Street Sk8 with Indy 159 Hollows
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
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Lately been riding bones white medium in bottom and blue loose in top. Alternate between this and the stock Indys. As it gets colder I tend to gravitate to the bones as the Indys seem to lock up in the cold more. Echo other's experiences that every red indy "soft" I've had is crazy hard- not sure what the intent is on those. I tried them again recently after forgetting about that and was unable to turn at all-- to be sure it wasn't a "wrong truck" thing I tried them in a range of Indys: 139, 159 and 215 and didn't seem to work in any of them.
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Maybe…I wish my trucks were just an modern 8.25 old krux downlow
I think they were the k3/krux III
The ones that everyone used to ride in the 7.5/7.75 days in the 3.5 downlow
I used to ride those no turning back, the height and the way the bushings were just worked for me like all the normal good skaters, plug and play. No swapping bushings, no adjusting since the first adjustment when you first got them just keep riding them until axle and get the same trucks and do the same, then I got curious with thunders. Very good trucks.
Anyways I’m riding blue dohdoh 88a with the pivot cups from ace classics in my ti thunder 148 right now
Really like the bushings but they just disintegrate and I don’t mash them down or have them loose and swerve like crazy, shortys just cheap out
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
keep in mind supercush is for venture since they are barrel bottom style bushings. thunders bushings have the conical bottom
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
keep in mind supercush is for venture since they are barrel bottom style bushings. thunders bushings have the conical bottom
Ah yeah, I think I was thinking of the venom street bushings. Thunder replacements get really confusing, they're conical top/bottom and the heights are different than any other truck. Which is why I was willing to try the thunder aftermarkets and nothing else lol
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
A few possible ideas:
1. Ditch the bottom washer like people do with Bones, keep the top stock nut how you had it.
2. Ishod style 2 top bushings
3. Trim the top bushing a tad
By geo being better for you what do you mean? Cuz it sounds counterintuitive that they don't turn how you like.
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
A few possible ideas:
1. Ditch the bottom washer like people do with Bones, keep the top stock nut how you had it.
2. Ishod style 2 top bushings
3. Trim the top bushing a tad
By geo being better for you what do you mean? Cuz it sounds counterintuitive that they don't turn how you like.
The longer WB/quicker pop seem to work better for me. I know we're talking millimeters probably, but I was riding Indys forever an I would still consistently ghost pop my tricks. Thunders makes me feel like my pop is more consistent, I almost never ghost pop.
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They firmed up significantly for me after 1-2 sessions, i just use them cause the clear blue crumbled after 1 month of usage. Thunder 147 slightly less then flush but nyloc still grabs (kind of and i help with superglue).
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
A few possible ideas:
1. Ditch the bottom washer like people do with Bones, keep the top stock nut how you had it.
2. Ishod style 2 top bushings
3. Trim the top bushing a tad
By geo being better for you what do you mean? Cuz it sounds counterintuitive that they don't turn how you like.
The longer WB/quicker pop seem to work better for me. I know we're talking millimeters probably, but I was riding Indys forever an I would still consistently ghost pop my tricks. Thunders makes me feel like my pop is more consistent, I almost never ghost pop.
Same pal, same. Nollie especially. 1 out of 5 tricks would ghost pop.
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Finally got my hands on some of the new Thunder Afternarket bushings. Got the white 90a which is supposed to be same as stock and they list as “medium”. First session they already feel better, I wanted something softer than the stock bushing because I just wasn’t getting very deep into the turn. They could still firm up so we’ll see how supple they stay, but so far liking them
They're the same as the white stocks exactly and typically used on team rider trucks.
I always wonder if bushing madness is partially people wanting their truck to actually be another truck.
Probably, and like I said once they're broken in a bit they may stiffen up and feel the same as the stock bushings. Neither of my thunders came with white bushings though, they have translucent green bushings.
The geo on thunders is way better for me but even with the kingpin nut almost all the way loose, the trucks just didn't feel very loose the way I like them. i don't want to mess with the supercush or NFG bushings and go full sicko mode, so I thought I'd just try the thunder aftermarkets and see what happens.
A few possible ideas:
1. Ditch the bottom washer like people do with Bones, keep the top stock nut how you had it.
2. Ishod style 2 top bushings
3. Trim the top bushing a tad
By geo being better for you what do you mean? Cuz it sounds counterintuitive that they don't turn how you like.
The longer WB/quicker pop seem to work better for me. I know we're talking millimeters probably, but I was riding Indys forever an I would still consistently ghost pop my tricks. Thunders makes me feel like my pop is more consistent, I almost never ghost pop.
Same pal, same. Nollie especially. 1 out of 5 tricks would ghost pop.
Love indys on my slappy or transition boards, but thunder for anything that needs to get popped...
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Where are we at with Bones bushings? I used to skate them 5 years ago and the bottom bushing would always muffin top over the yellow insert. For some reason I'm tempted to try them again but are they any different than before? Kinda hoping they don't do that muffin top thing anymore
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Went thru bushing madness recently. Tried multiple colors of independent conicals and several different colors of riptide street bushings, only to come full circle and be back on independent orange bushings. The quirk that I have settled on though, is buying 2 pairs of independent and using the slightly smaller conical cones from each set to make a single pair. This seems to allow the lowest standard grind/turn clearance.
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Where are we at with Bones bushings? I used to skate them 5 years ago and the bottom bushing would always muffin top over the yellow insert. For some reason I'm tempted to try them again but are they any different than before? Kinda hoping they don't do that muffin top thing anymore
They're still the same. Not worth it. Tried them recently and they lasted about 3 weeks
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what bushings make you smith grind better?
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what bushings make you smith grind better?
No bushings only washers
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Yes and also a bit of no.
To use lower top or cut down top bushings, so I can get the nut down lower while still having the trucks the same amount of turn, gives a bit more clearance, then to really go silly, angle grind the kingpin down flush with the nut and round it off works a whole lot more for me.
That is a fair bit of work for someone who is not so used to it, but the end result definitely makes it a whole lot better.
Also I ride Indy standards, so there is a good amount of clearance on those things to begin with.
Venture also has a significant amount of clearance, way more so than Thunder and somewhat more than Ace too.
So choice of trucks make more difference with smith grinds, but technique makes the most difference of anything.
Sorry if that ended up being a whole lot more than initially asked.
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Just setup my venture 6.1 with mini logo white top bushing at the bottom and a bones hardcore medium on top. Nice and loose but I don't think it's cured my madness.
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Where are we at with Bones bushings? I used to skate them 5 years ago and the bottom bushing would always muffin top over the yellow insert. For some reason I'm tempted to try them again but are they any different than before? Kinda hoping they don't do that muffin top thing anymore
They're still the same. Not worth it. Tried them recently and they lasted about 3 weeks
Thanks that's actually the confirmation I needed to stay away from them 😂
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Just got the Pig medium 91a in blue. Size is exactly 14mm x 25mm bottom, 10mm top.
Pretty tall, so only recommended in ace, royal, film, mini logo and maybe thunder.
They feel great, but there is one downside: The top of the top bushing is wider than pretty much every other top bushing, I can't find any washers that fit, except bones flat washers, which still cut into it a tiny bit when you turn.
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Just got the Pig medium 91a in blue. Size is exactly 14mm x 25mm bottom, 10mm top.
Pretty tall, so only recommended in ace, royal, film, mini logo and maybe thunder.
They feel great, but there is one downside: The top of the top bushing is wider than pretty much every other top bushing, I can't find any washers that fit, except bones flat washers, which still cut into it a tiny bit when you turn.
Could maybe shave the edges so that washers will fit.
I'm running the 92A Indy Conicals with a flat top washer in Venture highs. Excellent setup for me. I feel like the conicals give a really snappy turn.
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Ditched my bones hards and back on standard indy orange. Considering a switch to indy blue/92 but not sure if it's worth the increased madness level.
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Running the top bushing from the venture loose truck conversion kit with stock bottom bushings on some regular cast ventures. Plenty loose at kingpin nut flush and I love it. With the stock top bushing I had them hand tightened with 1 or two turns and was always worried about the nut falling off
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Running the top bushing from the venture loose truck conversion kit with stock bottom bushings on some regular cast ventures. Plenty loose at kingpin nut flush and I love it. With the stock top bushing I had them hand tightened with 1 or two turns and was always worried about the nut falling off
Haha hand tight nuts on ventures l. So sweet.
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Here's a weird problem that no one else has ever heard of, but im curious:
I don't run my Thunders tighter than a hair past flush, which is how they've all come stock recently. After a couple weeks I've noticed the washers are bending upwards. If I remove the nut there is a perfect imprint of it as if the washer has bent around it and the trucks feel tighter when I replace with a new washer. So far in 2 months 2 sets have bent.
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Here's a weird problem that no one else has ever heard of, but im curious:
I don't run my Thunders tighter than a hair past flush, which is how they've all come stock recently. After a couple weeks I've noticed the washers are bending upwards. If I remove the nut there is a perfect imprint of it as if the washer has bent around it and the trucks feel tighter when I replace with a new washer. So far in 2 months 2 sets have bent.
That happened with all thunders I've ever skated. Never was a problem though
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If I like running one harder/one softer bushing, what would be the purpose of putting on on the top vs one on the bottom.
I guess what I’m asking is what does the top bushing effect have vs the bottom bushing.
I feel like the bottom being harder gives the truck a quicker “snap” back to straight but idk.
Anyone else run hybrid duro bushings?
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If I like running one harder/one softer bushing, what would be the purpose of putting on on the top vs one on the bottom.
I guess what I’m asking is what does the top bushing effect have vs the bottom bushing.
I feel like the bottom being harder gives the truck a quicker “snap” back to straight but idk.
Anyone else run hybrid duro bushings?
On my ace classic I run stock bottom and Bones top.
I tried with ventures but the Bones bushing couldn't hang with out a washer.
The lowering kit feels kinda closer to the way I set up Indy and ace.
Indy you gotta cut them a little bit or just get used to no flop.
I need to surf and I need to flip my board.
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If I like running one harder/one softer bushing, what would be the purpose of putting on on the top vs one on the bottom.
I guess what I’m asking is what does the top bushing effect have vs the bottom bushing.
I feel like the bottom being harder gives the truck a quicker “snap” back to straight but idk.
Anyone else run hybrid duro bushings?
The bottom (boardside) bushing cushions the lean of the truck, so that’s where your basic feeling of tightness/looseness comes from. The top bushing provides some resistance against wheelbite and snaps the hanger back to center.
Soft bottom/hard top should give you a loose, surfy, deep turn with a little extra stability and wheelbite protection (like an Ace).
Hard bottom/soft top is not something I’ve ever seen or done, but in theory the hard bottom should give you a shallower turn and tighter feel, but the soft top should let the truck turn over a little more than with a full set of hard bushings.
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If I like running one harder/one softer bushing, what would be the purpose of putting on on the top vs one on the bottom.
I guess what I’m asking is what does the top bushing effect have vs the bottom bushing.
I feel like the bottom being harder gives the truck a quicker “snap” back to straight but idk.
Anyone else run hybrid duro bushings?
The bottom (boardside) bushing cushions the lean of the truck, so that’s where your basic feeling of tightness/looseness comes from. The top bushing provides some resistance against wheelbite and snaps the hanger back to center.
Soft bottom/hard top should give you a loose, surfy, deep turn with a little extra stability and wheelbite protection (like an Ace).
Hard bottom/soft top is not something I’ve ever seen or done, but in theory the hard bottom should give you a shallower turn and tighter feel, but the soft top should let the truck turn over a little more than with a full set of hard bushings.
I’m gonna try this
anyone know the height of stock indy barrel bushings? The bottom
I wanna put in a bottom bushing that’s same height or lower to get my 149 just slightly lower and closer to that ace geo
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Update not that they're broken in: PIG 91a bushings are amazing!
Feel similar to the new royal bushings, just a bit harder with way more response.
Using them in thunders, flat top washer and I've never had thunders feel this perfect before.
Same pinch and turn, but kind of more stability on manuals.
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If I like running one harder/one softer bushing, what would be the purpose of putting on on the top vs one on the bottom.
I guess what I’m asking is what does the top bushing effect have vs the bottom bushing.
I feel like the bottom being harder gives the truck a quicker “snap” back to straight but idk.
Anyone else run hybrid duro bushings?
The bottom (boardside) bushing cushions the lean of the truck, so that’s where your basic feeling of tightness/looseness comes from. The top bushing provides some resistance against wheelbite and snaps the hanger back to center.
Soft bottom/hard top should give you a loose, surfy, deep turn with a little extra stability and wheelbite protection (like an Ace).
Hard bottom/soft top is not something I’ve ever seen or done, but in theory the hard bottom should give you a shallower turn and tighter feel, but the soft top should let the truck turn over a little more than with a full set of hard bushings.
I’m gonna try this
anyone know the height of stock indy barrel bushings? The bottom
I wanna put in a bottom bushing that’s same height or lower to get my 149 just slightly lower and closer to that ace geo
Thought I had the full list somewhere but didn't find it.
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If anyone knows the bushing specs (height) and the wheelbase on the mids/forged mids, please let me know. That would basically complete the specs on the first post.
My measurements
Std forged +3.1875
Cast mid +3
Forged mid unknown
Top bushing 10.25mm
Bot bushing. 13mm
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Found it...
Bushing height chart
It took a while to find this post again from Feb 2021, so this time maybe I should include some key words like bushing measurement height and similar so it is easier to find.
Anyway, some of these might have had some changes required, eg the Indy aftermarket black bushings have been said to be 14mm tall for the bottoms, which is curious.
Anything else to note and I can change this post to reflect the correct measurements / heights as well.
Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.
From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.
Low Bushing Set
Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness
Classic Bushing Set
Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness
As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:
Ace low
Total 22 mm
Top 10 mm
Bottom 12 mm
Ace classic
Total 26 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Venture stock 90a
Total 22.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Venture low top kits
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Indy Stage 4
Total 27 mm
Top 12.5 mm
Bottom 14.5 mm
* Added Venture in here as well.
That post was more in response to the question of bushing measurements, given the new NFG bushings come in many different options.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop
They have these:
Top conical (5 options)
95a in 8mm, 9.5mm, 10mm, 10.3mm and 11mm
Bottom (5 options)
90a and 95a barrel 13mm
90a and 95a half conical 14mm and 14.5mm
Seems perfect to work out exactly what you want and get those, between the softer bottoms and slightly harder lower tops, I could get things exactly how I usually ride my other bushings.
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I went out this morning for a session before work with two setups that had been in my car overnight in temps that dipped down to the high 30s F. Both with thunder trucks, one with the blue aftermarket thunder 94s, the other with the orange 90s that came stock in a set of 148s. I started with the setup on the blue 94s and the bushings were so stiff the board would NOT turn even just trying to roll around and rock them back and forth a bunch to warm them up wasn’t working. Went back and grabbed the other board with the 90s and it skated completely normal, just as loose as usual. Thought that was interesting, didn’t expect so much of a difference between bushings close in euro meter and of the same brand.
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Ventures going between ace barrel bottom with washer bones top none or bones everthing with bottom washer none on top. Also like the mini logo barrel with same as above.
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I suppose this is related since the kingpin nut holds the hanger in place.
I file the bottom of my kingpin nuts for added looseness while still preserving nylock. I can imagine I file off about one thread height off the nut.
I also run flat washers top and bottom for less resistance and fluid like carves.
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softer bushings that can fit on lurpivs?
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Is anyone here like really heavy, and doesn’t like looser trucks?
I’m curious about the 100a Doh Dohs. Have any experience?
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Is anyone here like really heavy, and doesn’t like looser trucks?
I’m curious about the 100a Doh Dohs. Have any experience?
I’m 230lbs and running the 100a thunder after market bushings and actually like them quite a bit.
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softer bushings that can fit on lurpivs?
Ace bushings fit, but I'm not sure if they are softer than standard lurpiv. The ace bottom is 86a, top 91a
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Ace bushings fit, but I'm not sure if they are softer than standard lurpiv. The ace bottom is 86a, top 91a
classic or af1 bushings?
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Ace bushings fit, but I'm not sure if they are softer than standard lurpiv. The ace bottom is 86a, top 91a
classic or af1 bushings?
Same thing
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I usually leave my trucks stock, but it's gonna get cold as hell where I'm at soon and I wanna skate this winter when it's dry. I've been running some aces (the classics handled winter pretty well from what I remember), but if these trucks don't make it/the freeze up I'm wondering what bushings don't freeze up.
also follow up if I boil indy or thunder stock bushings or get harder ones since it might make them too gummy, anyone think it'd have any effect on making them more freeze resistant?
I usually like indy, thunder, venture, ace, whatever but indy and thunder can be pretty brutal when it's cold out, your board will feel normal for like 10 minutes then you go to turn and nothing happens.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
Just catching up on this thread, but I was to remind everyone that the red (“soft”) aftermarket Indy bushings are the worst piles of shit on earth and should be avoided at all cost.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
Just catching up on this thread, but I was to remind everyone that the red (“soft”) aftermarket Indy bushings are the worst piles of shit on earth and should be avoided at all cost.
Well I mean.. they are red. Bad vibes.
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I recently got new Indys. I left the stock bushings in and it feels so right.
once broken in, they're really the best unless you run your shit really tight.
I just put the stock ones back in after running bones and they feel great but now I kind of want to try the super loose (white Indy bushings) or the loose (red ones). Has any one tried them. Thinking looks a medium loose but on the more “looser” side.
Just catching up on this thread, but I was to remind everyone that the red (“soft”) aftermarket Indy bushings are the worst piles of shit on earth and should be avoided at all cost.
Well I mean.. they are red. Bad vibes.
Better dead than red.
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Does anyone make harder bushings that fit the tensor mag lights?
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Does anyone make harder bushings that fit the tensor mag lights?
Yes, thunder bushings are the same shape and size. From 90a to 100a
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Yes, thunder bushings are the same shape and size. From 90a to 100a
Awesome, thanks!
I thought they might be weird because they show the “interlocking” bushing on their site.
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There a shortage on supercush? Or were they just really hard to find right now? Got some 88s and they’re sick, just can’t seem to find anyone who has em in stock.
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There a shortage on supercush? Or were they just really hard to find right now? Got some 88s and they’re sick, just can’t seem to find anyone who has em in stock.
actually seen a few places have a good variety of duros, but i know what you mean
if you are in the usa
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-supercush-bushings-88a-clear-175-6862645067939/
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-tack-and-supply-supercush-soft-bushings-clear-88d-263-6740693123259/
tried tracking down shops with them but also had a little trouble so fell back on parade again, but they say both of those ship from florida so you can try to track down which shops and buy direct if you wanna do the legwork
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Does anyone make harder bushings that fit the tensor mag lights?
Yes, thunder bushings are the same shape and size. From 90a to 100a
Awesome, thanks!
I thought they might be weird because they show the “interlocking” bushing on their site.
Pretty sure tensor do that interlocking bushes thing both conical, but thunder are regular shapes barrel, and cone, and conical both.....
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275 pound manbeast here.
Just ordered Mini Logo 100a bushings. And it has been decided that I won’t fuck anymore with my trucks. Except for trying Shortys Doh Doh 100a.
Have tried Super hard yellow aftermarket Indy and Bones Hards. Both are 96a. If I were better at skating or a little lighter, I’d definitely rock the Bones.
Will report in how it goes.
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Have tried Super hard yellow aftermarket Indy and Bones Hards. Both are 96a. If I were better at skating or a little lighter, I’d definitely rock the Bones.
I'm assuming you liked the Bones more? I have a pair of 149s coming in the mail and I've been trying to decide between the two.
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Got some standard medium 92a independent aftermarket conical bushings to replace a blow out top bushing. Didn't realize they were conical and forgot the default bottom bushing was cylindrical. They feel kinda weird and my trucks rest all crooked now until my fat ass stands on em. Maybe I'll put in the old bottom bushings again.
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Have tried Super hard yellow aftermarket Indy and Bones Hards. Both are 96a. If I were better at skating or a little lighter, I’d definitely rock the Bones.
Yeah, the Bones gave me less wheelbite, but was more responsive, fast and carvey, and are fast at snapping back to center. The Indys could do deeper carves/turn sharper, but came with a risk.
I have a theory about the stuff. The bigger your board and trucks are, the more leverage you have on your bushings. I’m on 159s now, but if I were on smaller trucks and skinnier board, maybe the Bones would be enough.
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Does anyone make harder bushings that fit the tensor mag lights?
Yes, thunder bushings are the same shape and size. From 90a to 100a
Awesome, thanks!
I thought they might be weird because they show the “interlocking” bushing on their site.
They're not the same height. Thunder bottoms are much taller than Tensor bottoms. Bones bushings (no washer) are the same height as Tensor bottoms w/washer.
275 pound manbeast here.
Just ordered Mini Logo 100a bushings. And it has been decided that I won’t fuck anymore with my trucks. Except for trying Shortys Doh Doh 100a.
Have tried Super hard yellow aftermarket Indy and Bones Hards. Both are 96a. If I were better at skating or a little lighter, I’d definitely rock the Bones.
Will report in how it goes.
Man, nothing harder than 100a out there huh...ML bushings > Doh dohs for sure. Thunder makes a 100...they'd be tall for indy but if you crank'em down I guess you'd net a tight ass truck than using bushings made to fit indys.
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Man, nothing harder than 100a out there huh...ML bushings > Doh dohs for sure. Thunder makes a 100...they'd be tall for indy but if you crank'em down I guess you'd net a tight ass truck than using bushings made to fit indys.
No such thing, I’m afraid. Imma have to cut up some old wheels DIY style and make, 84b duro bushings.
Glad I went with ML then, if they’re the better choice.
Solid advice about the Thunders, they’ll be right at the top of my list of shit to test out.
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Ordered some nfg bushings before reading the impressions on here.
They suck. Definitely not as hard as other 95a I’ve tried and they get “stuck” one way or the other with almost no rebound if you land at an angle.
Don’t make the mistake I did.
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Man, nothing harder than 100a out there huh...ML bushings > Doh dohs for sure. Thunder makes a 100...they'd be tall for indy but if you crank'em down I guess you'd net a tight ass truck than using bushings made to fit indys.
No such thing, I’m afraid. Imma have to cut up some old wheels DIY style and make, 84b duro bushings.
Glad I went with ML then, if they’re the better choice.
Solid advice about the Thunders, they’ll be right at the top of my list of shit to test out.
Fwiw I really like the thunder 100a bushings. Could sand or shave them down to fit the right height?
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Man, nothing harder than 100a out there huh...ML bushings > Doh dohs for sure. Thunder makes a 100...they'd be tall for indy but if you crank'em down I guess you'd net a tight ass truck than using bushings made to fit indys.
No such thing, I’m afraid. Imma have to cut up some old wheels DIY style and make, 84b duro bushings.
Glad I went with ML then, if they’re the better choice.
Solid advice about the Thunders, they’ll be right at the top of my list of shit to test out.
Fwiw I really like the thunder 100a bushings. Could sand or shave them down to fit the right height?
By the time they compress down, they don't even feel any different in Indy trucks, as per a setup here, but I do feel like they give a whole lot more, as in I can still turn a whole lot more on them than some other comparable duro bushings.
Definitely work in whatever trucks you put them in if you want a harder compression.
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Hey guys, is there a chart somewhere with height of each truck brand bushings (bottom and top) ?
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120(ish)lbs (i'm only 5'6 gimme a break!) Ace 03s always keep the stock bushings on Aces they break in 1st day. I skate anything I can. I have 3 setups- 1 is my everyday deck 8.25 52mm Spitfires and newer Aces. 2 is a 7.75 with old Aces and like 49mm for messing around with tech stuff I rarely skate it. 3- A shaped board with old Aces and 56mm wheels for steep transition stuff because I like cheating ha. But seriously I'm stuck on Ace.
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Hey guys, is there a chart somewhere with height of each truck brand bushings (bottom and top) ?
I don't think so, but skatedeluxe.com has all measurements on most of the bushings they sell so that might help you
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Hey guys, is there a chart somewhere with height of each truck brand bushings (bottom and top) ?
There had been quite a lot of info around, but it always gets lost.
From one page back, I posted some more well known brands again.
Post here:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3874036#msg3874036
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Thanks @goodatmeth & @Mbrimson88
that's a great start
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Mini Logo red 100a bushings came in the mail yesterday and I tested them out in the evening.
They work out alright, I think.
I ditched the risers and put on fresh 54mm wheels instead of the 57mm I had in there.
Forged hollows still wheelbite.
Total setup height is much lower now compared to before, and pop is much better now.
I want a wheelbite-free setup, is it even possible, without going tiny wheels AND riser pads?
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There a shortage on supercush? Or were they just really hard to find right now? Got some 88s and they’re sick, just can’t seem to find anyone who has em in stock.
if you are in the usa
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-supercush-bushings-88a-clear-175-6862645067939/
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-tack-and-supply-supercush-soft-bushings-clear-88d-263-6740693123259/
tried tracking down shops with them but also had a little trouble so fell back on parade again, but they say both of those ship from florida so you can try to track down which shops and buy direct if you wanna do the legwork
Ended up pulling the trigger on the shipping but finally got em. Weighing out shipping or buying more shit I don’t need.
Had to. Indy aftermarkets suck. Bones look gross to me although they ride awesome. Supercush are the truth.
Did look at NFG. Anyone got opinions on em?
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There a shortage on supercush? Or were they just really hard to find right now? Got some 88s and they’re sick, just can’t seem to find anyone who has em in stock.
if you are in the usa
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-supercush-bushings-88a-clear-175-6862645067939/
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-tack-and-supply-supercush-soft-bushings-clear-88d-263-6740693123259/
tried tracking down shops with them but also had a little trouble so fell back on parade again, but they say both of those ship from florida so you can try to track down which shops and buy direct if you wanna do the legwork
Ended up pulling the trigger on the shipping but finally got em. Weighing out shipping or buying more shit I don’t need.
Had to. Indy aftermarkets suck. Bones look gross to me although they ride awesome. Supercush are the truth.
Did look at NFG. Anyone got opinions on em?
Ordered some nfg bushings before reading the impressions on here.
They suck. Definitely not as hard as other 95a I’ve tried and they get “stuck” one way or the other with almost no rebound if you land at an angle.
Don’t make the mistake I did.
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There a shortage on supercush? Or were they just really hard to find right now? Got some 88s and they’re sick, just can’t seem to find anyone who has em in stock.
if you are in the usa
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-supercush-bushings-88a-clear-175-6862645067939/
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/deluxe-tack-and-supply-supercush-soft-bushings-clear-88d-263-6740693123259/
tried tracking down shops with them but also had a little trouble so fell back on parade again, but they say both of those ship from florida so you can try to track down which shops and buy direct if you wanna do the legwork
Ended up pulling the trigger on the shipping but finally got em. Weighing out shipping or buying more shit I don’t need.
Had to. Indy aftermarkets suck. Bones look gross to me although they ride awesome. Supercush are the truth.
Did look at NFG. Anyone got opinions on em?
i liked them initially and rode them for a while before i just got tired of the feeling. their 95 duro is the softest 95 i've ever come across (and other's have said the same). it's not a quick twitchy softness, it's a squishy softness for me. and as someone who was pretty vocal about liking them on here, i'll definitely say after time on them that they are not for me.
the ONLY thing i can think of (which i've posted before somewhere) is getting a little taller of a top bushing because they squish so much and maybe that would make it feel like a true 95 but honestly i doubt it.
also they haven't restocked certain sizes on the site from what i can tell so idk what the future holds for them
tl;dr - not worth the time/money
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I’m happy to report my bushing madness is over. Indy 94, cylinder shaped bottom bushing. I like the black color, too. They work great in my Ventures. I ride kinda tight and am 232 lbs. I don’t have to crank them down to make them tight and they are breaking in quickly.
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Recently completely destroyed the top bushing in my venture 5.6 to the point there they would just constantly lean to one side.
Now running the stock bottom bushing with shaved down bones hards too. I shaved them down about 2mm (photo for reference) and running no top washer.
This is definitely my new combo, has made them pretty surfy (for a venture) while still keeping the stability of a venture. (https://i.imgur.com/AzmCAt5.jpg)
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Recently completely destroyed the top bushing in my venture 5.6 to the point there they would just constantly lean to one side.
Now running the stock bottom bushing with shaved down bones hards too. I shaved them down about 2mm and running no top washer.
This is definitely my new combo, has made them pretty surfy (for a venture) while still keeping the stability of a venture.
what was your method for shaving them down? I got some ace bushings a while ago and the top bushing is super tall. I set them up once on Venture highs (just had to remove the bottom washer) and I kinda liked it, but it looked ridiculous. Currently running stock bottom bushing, indy aftermarket top which is taller than stock, but by not too much.
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i like bones medium bushings on indy trucks. i always buy the bones bushings as soon as i buy the trucks and put them in before even riding the indys.
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Been experimenting with stock Indy bushings lately, including the newer ones which are way softer all round, compared to the older ones in trucks with crosses, still Stage 11 through to older ones in previous stages.
It is amazing how much they have not only improved the consistency of the bushings, but also how much softer the bushings have become over the years.
Stock bushings from back in the day were upwards of 94 duro and were super hard and cracked quickly, not to mention could never get them back on from new if you did take them off.
The most recent ones left on a board and skated on a mini ramp session were pretty much perfect right from go, but I wouldn't take them street skating like that, as they were a little too soft / loose and wouldn't have worn in nicely.
Three ramp sessions later and they are good for everything as they have firmed up quite a bit, but that is just my own experience with them.
For reference, I usually used the 92 duro aftermarket bushings which gave a little more resistance, but with low heads I could get the nut down a bit more and still have them fairly loose overall.
Running slightly harder bushings with cut down tops definitely felt like they were more stable than softer stock height bushings, as some others have said before too.
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will bushings break or get ruined if i leave my board out in the freezing cold?
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i've been running black dohdoh's in venture lo's all year and they're still in perfect condition, im 6'3 195 lbs and i put one bones washer under the normal washer and keep the nut flush with the kingpin and it's perfect imo. not too loose not too tight and they turn good enough. im sticking with'em
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will bushings break or get ruined if i leave my board out in the freezing cold?
Nope. I’ve left my board in the car all day then skated an indoor park in sub 0F many times. They’ll turn for shit until they warm up, but they don’t instantly explode.
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Recently completely destroyed the top bushing in my venture 5.6 to the point there they would just constantly lean to one side.
Now running the stock bottom bushing with shaved down bones hards too. I shaved them down about 2mm and running no top washer.
This is definitely my new combo, has made them pretty surfy (for a venture) while still keeping the stability of a venture.
I just used a sheet of grip I had laying around that I was never going to use and did it in a circular motion. As pictured I did one first then with the second on I kept checking the gap with the ruler on top until it was flush. I’m sure there’s better techniques but this worked for me.
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Made the jump back to bones mediums (blk tho, they always feel softer to me) with no washers for my Indys; like old shoes.
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ace trucks with stock bushings but i cut the 2 bottom bushings in around a quarter
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Made the jump back to bones mediums (blk tho, they always feel softer to me) with no washers for my Indys; like old shoes.
I thought you’d still need at least the bottom washer to maintain geometry?
I needed the bottom back on, for Indy forged. But my set of Bones Hards have been squashed a bit because I tried them in an Indy low truck, and I didn’t know there was such a thing because noob.
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Made the jump back to bones mediums (blk tho, they always feel softer to me) with no washers for my Indys; like old shoes.
I thought you’d still need at least the bottom washer to maintain geometry?
I needed the bottom back on, for Indy forged. But my set of Bones Hards have been squashed a bit because I tried them in an Indy low truck, and I didn’t know there was such a thing because noob.
Never seemed to matter to me but since they moved to China, the stock bushings are shorter than they used to be; same height as fresh Bones.
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Got back on Indys after a while of being on Aces. I skate a lot of transition. Used to swap my Indy stock bushings for Bones mediums, but with my new Indys I decided to try and break them in properly and see how they work.
Result in a nutshell: the Indy stock orange bushings are just great. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I used to think the go-to method with Indys is to throw away the stock bushings and go Bones instantly, but that's proven not to be the case. They feel especially great when going really fast and hard. Turn great, but never feel too surfy, if you catch my drift.
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94a Thunders (the ice blue jawns) on cast plates
Game changer for me over stock being 190lbs...additionally, I think riding Ventures for a week before helped me ease into somewhat stiffer turning thunders.
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Got back on Indys after a while of being on Aces. I skate a lot of transition. Used to swap my Indy stock bushings for Bones mediums, but with my new Indys I decided to try and break them in properly and see how they work.
Result in a nutshell: the Indy stock orange bushings are just great. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I used to think the go-to method with Indys is to throw away the stock bushings and go Bones instantly, but that's proven not to be the case. They feel especially great when going really fast and hard. Turn great, but never feel too surfy, if you catch my drift.
Couldn't agree more. The Stage 9/10 bushings were terrible. Instant swap to Bones mediums.
The new Indy bushings are so good. Under a session to break in, great rebound, and they last the life of the truck.
I like the Venture stock purple ones too. They stay alive even if they crack a bit.
I used to absolutely dread breaking in bushings in the 90s and early 2000s. I would draw a black dot with permanent marker on the front of each bushing so I could swap them into new trucks with the same orientation. The habit carried over when I started using Bones. I still have some old Bones bushings in a container of parts with the black dot on the plastic core.
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94a Thunders (the ice blue jawns) on cast plates
Game changer for me over stock being 190lbs...additionally, I think riding Ventures for a week before helped me ease into somewhat stiffer turning thunders.
How long did these take to break in? I had a set for 2 sessions while I got some replacement stocks and they were like fucking rocks. I had to back the nut off pretty far to where it got some bad drag on basic feebles.
No more Indy Mid Forged? Prob the only truck that has really intrigued me lately.
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94a Thunders (the ice blue jawns) on cast plates
Game changer for me over stock being 190lbs...additionally, I think riding Ventures for a week before helped me ease into somewhat stiffer turning thunders.
How long did these take to break in? I had a set for 2 sessions while I got some replacement stocks and they were like fucking rocks. I had to back the nut off pretty far to where it got some bad drag on basic feebles.
No more Indy Mid Forged? Prob the only truck that has really intrigued me lately.
No time to break in (I am using flat, sleeved washers with them)...AND I had just come off stock Ventures so even with harder bushings, the thunders turned more initially...and again, at 190lbs they give just fine and I am not wheelbiting as much (but also riding a bit tighter thanks to the time on ventures).
I've not set them up in a bit, my forged mindys are 149s and I'm on 8.25s for now...plus...heavy...cast hollow thunders are a nice sweet spot.
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Makes sense, Ventures will do that to a person going from them to Indy's was quite an adventure.
The 94 Thunder bushings didn't feel remotely as ridiculous as Chris Cole's Bones Hard cranked setup.
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Anyone fuck with the Riptide conicals? Which of the two formulas did you use and what were your thoughts?
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Did you guys notice any difference in temperature sensitivity with stock vs aftermarket thunder bushings or are they exactly the same?
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Anyone fuck with the Riptide conicals? Which of the two formulas did you use and what were your thoughts?
I've run RipTide KranK Short Street Cone with / RipTide KranK Street Cone...primarily in Tensor Mags. Perfect fit and quality urethane.
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Acid tabs via SOP distribution in my cruiser
Stock Ace Bushings in my day to day shape
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Anyone fuck with the Riptide conicals? Which of the two formulas did you use and what were your thoughts?
I use Riptide in all my set ups. KranK formula has amazing rebound and the formula will harden as it is compressed. Super versatile. Experimented with APS, good bushings, super surfy but found KranK better for street purposes.
Just gotta be careful to match the height of stock bushings to keep truck geometry.
Also their pivots are a godsend for squeaky trucks with the internal lubrication and last way longer than any stock pivots.
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Tom Asta chatted about his bushings a bit in his latest vlog.
Thunder TI's with a bones soft top and an Ace top as a bottom with a bones flat washer underneath. Video timecode: 5:15.
https://youtu.be/kk35kML1aFw
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He's so good. I'd do almost anything to have long fakie crooks back. I know that was a nollie crooks but I never had those before. I guess if I want them I should be practicing them ....
and probably switch my 58mm wheels to a smaller size. Just till I get them then switch back. Crooks is way way easier for me on sub 54 classic shapes. Unless on flat bars. Then bigger and squarer is better.
I find it strange that both he and Ishod ride the funky bushing combo.
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I use those little rubber ones that come with the trucks
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Recently i was checking out supercush's i have chillen laying around, and i noticed something.
The black top tube ones have a 13mm bottom barrel bushing, while the red top tubes ones have a 14mm bottom bushing.
Both top size bushings are the same.
Ive asked mad people, shops, ive tried emailing deluxe, i for my whole life thought these were Venture/indy bushings, wich both rock stock 13mm bottom barrels if im not mistaken. Idk wtf the deal is here, and this is across all duros i have a bunch 97s, 99,s 94s,90s, are the black top tube ones meant for different trucks ? or did deluxe decide to switch up the color of the top tube and make the barrels shorter or bigger idk. Rightnow i have the red tube ones on 5.2 venture lows and they seem decent. Im wondering tho if i should switch to the black ones tho since those are more what stock venture sizes are. I dont see why theyd be messing with the size if these were always meant for ventures/indys. Does anyone know whats up with this lol
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Tried Bones once but quickly got back to Indy stocks.
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Recently i was checking out supercush's i have chillen laying around, and i noticed something.
The black top tube ones have a 13mm bottom barrel bushing, while the red top tubes ones have a 14mm bottom bushing.
Both top size bushings are the same.
Ive asked mad people, shops, ive tried emailing deluxe, i for my whole life thought these were Venture/indy bushings, wich both rock stock 13mm bottom barrels if im not mistaken. Idk wtf the deal is here, and this is across all duros i have a bunch 97s, 99,s 94s,90s, are the black top tube ones meant for different trucks ? or did deluxe decide to switch up the color of the top tube and make the barrels shorter or bigger idk. Rightnow i have the red tube ones on 5.2 venture lows and they seem decent. Im wondering tho if i should switch to the black ones tho since those are more what stock venture sizes are. I dont see why theyd be messing with the size if these were always meant for ventures/indys. Does anyone know whats up with this lol
It has been noted that some other brands had different bushings with different heights like that, the Indy black cylinder bushings were a mm taller than the conical black and every other conical and cylinder bushing in their range.
Maybe just manufacturing with something being a bit out or who knows what really.
Also could have been out of different places or something as well, with different runs of stock.
Took a second to re read and you mean the same exact bushings in the tube with different coloured lids on them?
Like the ones in this link:
https://www.skeuwep.com/hardgoodz/DeluxeTack%26SupplyBushings
(https://i.ibb.co/8cr3NP4/ee26dc3b-f560-4580-971c-822fc5f325fa.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gVS1mtF)
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Recently i was checking out supercush's i have chillen laying around, and i noticed something.
The black top tube ones have a 13mm bottom barrel bushing, while the red top tubes ones have a 14mm bottom bushing.
Both top size bushings are the same.
Ive asked mad people, shops, ive tried emailing deluxe, i for my whole life thought these were Venture/indy bushings, wich both rock stock 13mm bottom barrels if im not mistaken. Idk wtf the deal is here, and this is across all duros i have a bunch 97s, 99,s 94s,90s, are the black top tube ones meant for different trucks ? or did deluxe decide to switch up the color of the top tube and make the barrels shorter or bigger idk. Rightnow i have the red tube ones on 5.2 venture lows and they seem decent. Im wondering tho if i should switch to the black ones tho since those are more what stock venture sizes are. I dont see why theyd be messing with the size if these were always meant for ventures/indys. Does anyone know whats up with this lol
It has been noted that some other brands had different bushings with different heights like that, the Indy black cylinder bushings were a mm taller than the conical black and every other conical and cylinder bushing in their range.
Maybe just manufacturing with something being a bit out or who knows what really.
Also could have been out of different places or something as well, with different runs of stock.
Took a second to re read and you mean the same exact bushings in the tube with different coloured lids on them?
Like the ones in this link:
https://www.skeuwep.com/hardgoodz/DeluxeTack%26SupplyBushings
(https://i.ibb.co/8cr3NP4/ee26dc3b-f560-4580-971c-822fc5f325fa.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gVS1mtF)
Yo yeah, i have 2 sets of 94s say right, one in red top tube, one in the black top.
The ones in the red top tubes have a 1MM taller bottom barrel bushing. I have no idea why, same with 97s i have the ones in the red top tubes are mm taller, and i see alot more pics in general of the red top tubes to. Idk, idk one color tops newer, or its supposed to represent truck type but that doesnt make sense to me because these were specfically made for Ventures and indys. So messing with the bushings size doesnt make alot of sense to me, since both venture and indy rock the same boardside bushing height size, atleast this is what i saw last i looked it up in here both stock indy and ventures came with 13mm bottom barrels, only difference was the indys came with taller top conicals.
but on these the tops are all the same, its just the bottoms that are 1mm taller, and its on the red tubes only.
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I’m setting up a trick deck with whatever the stock Indy stage 11 bushings are. For whatever reason I always keep Indys stock. Put some shorter, softer thunder bushings on my Venture cruiser and it’s perfect now.
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For what it’s worth, my DLX aftermarket bushings are all 13mm bottoms (88s and 90s), and I think only one set came with a black top on the tube.
For anyone still trying to get more swerve out of Ventures when they’re new, stock Indy bushings are great (the newer ones, obviously).
I also tried them in AF1 Lows and it’s a great combo as well. Seems right in between the feel of the hards and the mediums.
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For what it’s worth, my DLX aftermarket bushings are all 13mm bottoms (88s and 90s), and I think only one set came with a black top on the tube.
For anyone still trying to get more swerve out of Ventures when they’re new, stock Indy bushings are great (the newer ones, obviously).
I also tried them in AF1 Lows and it’s a great combo as well. Seems right in between the feel of the hards and the mediums.
Id bet both sets came with a black top, i have like 9 sets a mix of both and there all like this. I dont really mind it, i dont think bringing up the barrel by 1 mm does anything and once they get broken in there kind of what they should be normally instead of like shot, and trucks got alot wider over a pretty fast period of time so idk maybe they started just making them taller, or idk maybe the smaller ones are the newer ones, i really dont know. Its annoying tho, i mean i could always shave down the 14mm ones but im beginning to think maybe there was a reason for that, they seem to feel really good on my venture low 5.2s. Im currently running a green 94 set on with the red top, and those bottoms im almost positive are 14's, but i might switch them out for the black ones. Idk, Also a thicker washer could make up most of that mm.
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I have like 4 or 5 sets and I re-use all the tubes. One black. All 13mm.
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
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What's the consensus on ace classic bushings? Haven't tried my aces out yet but I have them set up on a fresh set up. I usually ride bones hard in my indys. I changed out the top washed to a flat washer instead of the cupped one but I also have at my disposal a fresh set of Indy orange bushings and another set of bones hard bushings.
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What's the consensus on ace classic bushings? Haven't tried my aces out yet but I have them set up on a fresh set up. I usually ride bones hard in my indys. I changed out the top washed to a flat washer instead of the cupped one but I also have at my disposal a fresh set of Indy orange bushings and another set of bones hard bushings.
Best bushings in the world. But coming from hard bushings, and using a flat washer, you're gonna die.
There's gonna be zero resistance in your turns in the beginning. Just stand on it and feel it out
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What's the consensus on ace classic bushings? Haven't tried my aces out yet but I have them set up on a fresh set up. I usually ride bones hard in my indys. I changed out the top washed to a flat washer instead of the cupped one but I also have at my disposal a fresh set of Indy orange bushings and another set of bones hard bushings.
I was told in another thread that Classic and AF-1 have the same bushings, but with that said - they're the best. The bushings in my Classics outlasted the trucks, and now they live in a pair of Indy 149s where they feel to me like a nice improvement over the stock Indy orange bushings (which I also quite like). Although if you're coming from Bones hard bushings, maybe the squishiest and most turny bushings on the market are not the right choice? Ultimately though, they're like $6 at the skateshop, so try them and see if they work for you.
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
It's the missing bottom bushing that makes bones bushings look stupid for me
Edit: I mean bottom washer
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
you mean the washer? you can still use a bottom washer to keep the truck geometry the same but i like the slightly pushed in wheelbase
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
The flat washers definitely are part of it. The two tone color also I think
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Best bushings in the world. But coming from hard bushings, and using a flat washer, you're gonna die.
There's gonna be zero resistance in your turns in the beginning. Just stand on it and feel it out
I was told in another thread that Classic and AF-1 have the same bushings, but with that said - they're the best. The bushings in my Classics outlasted the trucks, and now they live in a pair of Indy 149s where they feel to me like a nice improvement over the stock Indy orange bushings (which I also quite like). Although if you're coming from Bones hard bushings, maybe the squishiest and most turny bushings on the market are not the right choice? Ultimately though, they're like $6 at the skateshop, so try them and see if they work for you.
I ride hard bushings but I also have the trucks loose enough that the hangers rattle when you shake the board so I'm no stranger to loose trucks, I just don't usually like the twitchy feeling of soft bushings. Stoked to hear the stock bushings are good though, I'll try em out and see how I go. I'll bring the original cupped washer with me incase a flat washer is too much turn haha
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This might sound crazy but how hard would it be to turn a barrel bushing into a conical bushing with very limited tools? Is it even possible or worth it? I want some hard conical bushings but they all come in the worst colours like black or purple.
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This might sound crazy but how hard would it be to turn a barrel bushing into a conical bushing with very limited tools? Is it even possible or worth it? I want some hard conical bushings but they all come in the worst colours like black or purple.
I've tried that before, it's easy just with a knife and sandpaper. BUT everytime I did it I went too far and ended up with an extremely unstable bushing. Don't take too much off or it's gonna be a bushing for kids only
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This might sound crazy but how hard would it be to turn a barrel bushing into a conical bushing with very limited tools? Is it even possible or worth it? I want some hard conical bushings but they all come in the worst colours like black or purple.
I feel like bushings in conical shapes have a lot more give than cylinders, so while you can still have hard bushings, technically, the same duro would be hard in cylinder and only medium hard in conical shapes.
Of course there are other factors at play, but from having some that are supposed to be the same duro in both shapes, this is always the result.
That said, the very hard bushings often don't have much give at all, so could probably do with a bit of shaping down, but as said, check the shape of the conical ones, where the upper half is still cylinder and just a smaller part conical, when compared to some of the tops, which have a lot more give, when they have a very tapered shape.
What options do you have available for bushings and what duro are you using or wanting?
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I know some of the most common like the Thunder 100s do come in a few colour options - black in the rebuild kit and blue in the tube (previously yellow from the old range) as well as red 97s, which are all conical shaped, but then other brands in cylinder like Indy 96 yellow (which have a lot more give) and Doh Dohs 100s, DLX Supercush (in short supply) or the other various brands that cater to other forms of skating, that do have colour, size and hardness options.
Mini Logo hard 100 red cylinder
Shortys / Doh Dohs white 98 cylinder, 95 red
Pig has bushings that people have said are ok, in all colours in all duro options, so white, army green and mid blue I think, although I haven't seen any in person.
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What's the consensus on ace classic bushings? Haven't tried my aces out yet but I have them set up on a fresh set up. I usually ride bones hard in my indys. I changed out the top washed to a flat washer instead of the cupped one but I also have at my disposal a fresh set of Indy orange bushings and another set of bones hard bushings.
If you find the Ace stock bushings (medium) too soft and surfy, try the Ace hards. They are evenly amazing if not better. They have the awesome Ace turn but have more hold and stability.
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I just want to shout out the Indy super soft, white, 78a, barrel bushings. Was a bit nervous to try them as people on here were saying they're like mush but they're actually amazing.
Really stiff in the middle but with a really deep carve to them. I ride Aces with risers and the stock bushings would stop turning a few cm before they'd wheelbite which works well if you don't have risers but I needed more turn.
I'm used to riding conicals (from the bones bushings era) but the tippyness really messed with my flip tricks. Anyway these Indy ones feel really good on flip tricks because the middle is super sturdy.
I'm 5 foot 9, slim build and mainly skate flat and ledges but I'll skate some tranny and curbs too so I actually like my truck to to turn
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Ace Hi AF1 44 with the Ace Hard bushings which I believe are a 94a. Love em
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
Ride solid, look awful.
Cosmetically I could never fully enjoy them. There’s something about Indy Orange or venture purple that look perfect.
Those two the best colors in all bushings? Subjective I know but from a mile away you know what truck you’re looking at.
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
Ride solid, look awful.
Cosmetically I could never fully enjoy them. There’s something about Indy Orange or venture purple that look perfect.
Those two the best colors in all bushings? Subjective I know but from a mile away you know what truck you’re looking at.
I was on the Bones Mediums bandwagon for a while but recently been enjoying my stock Indys. I mean, what's there not to like? They turn great and they provide plenty of stability. Enough checkboxes for me.
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just gone back to skating thunder 151 team standard with bones medium, thunder stock bushings don't return to centre fast enough and have really annoying squeaking
(https://i.ibb.co/PWJKXSm/IMG20230526180530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdJmnrR)
I know people swear by bones bushings… but they look so god damn bad, I just don’t think I could do it. Everything about them gives me the ick.
Ride solid, look awful.
Cosmetically I could never fully enjoy them. There’s something about Indy Orange or venture purple that look perfect.
Those two the best colors in all bushings? Subjective I know but from a mile away you know what truck you’re looking at.
Venture purple is probably all time best looking. I’ve also been using the loose truck conversion greens lately and they’re also really nice to look at (and to ride).
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Figured out something by accident with Indy stage 11's, you know how the cupped top washer cuts the bushing to shit if you tighten the kingpin at all? I tried swapping in ACE AF1 top washers and these are the move! Firms them up a bit because they're thicker, but they feel great and don't get all shredded because they're rounded over instead of being all stupidly sharp.
Now I'm nut flush on stock bushings at 210lbs, and the washers don't pinch the top bushings at all.
(https://i.ibb.co/1m0XDNG/16859044746584448539063082865309.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1m0XDNG)
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Figured out something by accident with Indy stage 11's, you know how the cupped top washer cuts the bushing to shit if you tighten the kingpin at all? I tried swapping in ACE AF1 top washers and these are the move! Firms them up a bit because they're thicker, but they feel great and don't get all shredded because they're rounded over instead of being all stupidly sharp.
Now I'm nut flush on stock bushings at 210lbs, and the washers don't pinch the top bushings at all.
(https://i.ibb.co/1m0XDNG/16859044746584448539063082865309.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1m0XDNG)
I e been riding new Indys for a week and the washers are already shredding the bushings. And this was on a cruising board, nothing crazy going on trick-wise
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Figured out something by accident with Indy stage 11's, you know how the cupped top washer cuts the bushing to shit if you tighten the kingpin at all? I tried swapping in ACE AF1 top washers and these are the move! Firms them up a bit because they're thicker, but they feel great and don't get all shredded because they're rounded over instead of being all stupidly sharp.
Now I'm nut flush on stock bushings at 210lbs, and the washers don't pinch the top bushings at all.
(https://i.ibb.co/1m0XDNG/16859044746584448539063082865309.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1m0XDNG)
I e been riding new Indys for a week and the washers are already shredding the bushings. And this was on a cruising board, nothing crazy going on trick-wise
I've honestly never been able to figure out why skateboard trucks have sharp, cupped washers on top. I mean, just push the trucks by hand and you'll see that the sharp edge is going to dig into the bushing and cut it, especially is you tighten the nut a bit which flares that bushing out wider.
I mean, it's not a huge issue, Indy's are everywhere (with their shredded bushings), but it bugs me when I look at 'em.
Ace's improve things by having more of a cup shaped hanger for the top bushing to sit in, and their washers are so much better. Still want to ride Indy's though, so Ace washers it is!
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Been on some bushin madness last couple weeks and ended up returning to the ol' Ace medium bottom, Ace hard top. The hard top bushing makes the snap back to center even better and reduces wheelbite a lil bit. Highly recommend
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I am thinking about trying the Ace Hard Bushings in my new Indy 144s. I usually ride the blue aftermarket Indys which are 92d and the Ace Hard are 94d. Will I notice a difference there? The goal is to have my nuts flush.
I heard Ace bushings aren't that temperature sensitive as Indy Bushings. I also have these sick ice blue 94 Thunder Bushings lying around somewhere but haven't tried these yet and I remember Thunder Bushings crumbled to pieces back in the day.
Crazy weather in Berlin. Anything from 14°F to 100°F throughout the year.
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Re: Bones medium (orange) bushings: they're imo pretty great as stock bushings in new Indys these days. Maybe softer than back in the day? Anyway, my question is: is there a notable difference between the stock orange bushings and the aftermarket oranges?
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I am thinking about trying the Ace Hard Bushings in my new Indy 144s. I usually ride the blue aftermarket Indys which are 92d and the Ace Hard are 94d. Will I notice a difference there? The goal is to have my nuts flush.
I heard Ace bushings aren't that temperature sensitive as Indy Bushings. I also have these sick ice blue 94 Thunder Bushings lying around somewhere but haven't tried these yet and I remember Thunder Bushings crumbled to pieces back in the day.
Crazy weather in Berlin. Anything from 14°F to 100°F throughout the year.
I'm interested in this as well. I've loved the Ace Hards on my Ace trucks. They are not super hard but provide a lot more stability as opposed to the Ace stock mediums. Haven't tried them on the Indys I'm currently riding, though. Might do it once my current Indy stocks have been shredded apart.
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I am thinking about trying the Ace Hard Bushings in my new Indy 144s. I usually ride the blue aftermarket Indys which are 92d and the Ace Hard are 94d. Will I notice a difference there? The goal is to have my nuts flush.
I heard Ace bushings aren't that temperature sensitive as Indy Bushings. I also have these sick ice blue 94 Thunder Bushings lying around somewhere but haven't tried these yet and I remember Thunder Bushings crumbled to pieces back in the day.
Crazy weather in Berlin. Anything from 14°F to 100°F throughout the year.
One thing to note, Ace bushings are a couple mm thicker (taller?) than Indy bushings. If you put them in as is, the bottom bushing changes the geometry of the hanger, and to get nut flush it'll mash out the top bushing.
I briefly tried sanding down some Ace stock medium bushings and putting them in some 159's over the winter and it felt good, but a bit squirrelly. If you're going to try it, sand down the wide end of the top bushing, not the narrow end, otherwise it's too fat and the washer binds up.
Also, if you get the Ace bushings, try just the top washer with Indy bushings, seriously, makes a way bigger difference than you'd ever guess.
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One thing to note, Ace bushings are a couple mm thicker (taller?) than Indy bushings. If you put them in as is, the bottom bushing changes the geometry of the hanger, and to get nut flush it'll mash out the top bushing.
I briefly tried sanding down some Ace stock medium bushings and putting them in some 159's over the winter and it felt good, but a bit squirrelly. If you're going to try it, sand down the wide end of the top bushing, not the narrow end, otherwise it's too fat and the washer binds up.
Also, if you get the Ace bushings, try just the top washer with Indy bushings, seriously, makes a way bigger difference than you'd ever guess.
Does the Ace top washer affect the turn in Indys? Or is it just to protect the top bushing better?
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One thing to note, Ace bushings are a couple mm thicker (taller?) than Indy bushings. If you put them in as is, the bottom bushing changes the geometry of the hanger, and to get nut flush it'll mash out the top bushing.
I briefly tried sanding down some Ace stock medium bushings and putting them in some 159's over the winter and it felt good, but a bit squirrelly. If you're going to try it, sand down the wide end of the top bushing, not the narrow end, otherwise it's too fat and the washer binds up.
Also, if you get the Ace bushings, try just the top washer with Indy bushings, seriously, makes a way bigger difference than you'd ever guess.
Does the Ace top washer affect the turn in Indys? Or is it just to protect the top bushing better?
Full madness/kook take: Actually changes the turn. It firms up a little overall, and firms up more as you get closer to wheelbite. Still super responsive, but a bit more stable than stock. I think it's because the Ace washer is kind of bevelled inside, it starts interacting with the top bushing earlier in the turn.
I've been in the mountain bike scene for years where we dick around with air suspension: volume, spacers, damping valving etc. Skateboard trucks are super simple, and I can see lots ways you could tune how trucks behave just with washer shapes. Some people already do by switching to flat washers, no washers etc.
At 210lbs I prefer stock with Ace washer to Indy blue aftermarket with stock washer. I like a medium to loose turn though. Don't do any flat ground really, just transition, banks, ledges etc.
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
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What's the consensus on ace classic bushings? Haven't tried my aces out yet but I have them set up on a fresh set up. I usually ride bones hard in my indys. I changed out the top washed to a flat washer instead of the cupped one but I also have at my disposal a fresh set of Indy orange bushings and another set of bones hard bushings.
If you find the Ace stock bushings (medium) too soft and surfy, try the Ace hards. They are evenly amazing if not better. They have the awesome Ace turn but have more hold and stability.
What I’ve been wanting to hear. I’ve liked my aces just fine, until I jumped on an old set of Indy’s. Dumb question, will they make my classic 55’s feel more like stage xi 169’s?
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
supercush 97a or 100a
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
I put bones hardcore hards on my new setup today and instantly fell in love. This is my first set though, so I can only speak to their immediate feel. I hear they blowout quickly though, so maybe not what you’re looking for
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What's the consensus on ace classic bushings? Haven't tried my aces out yet but I have them set up on a fresh set up. I usually ride bones hard in my indys. I changed out the top washed to a flat washer instead of the cupped one but I also have at my disposal a fresh set of Indy orange bushings and another set of bones hard bushings.
If you find the Ace stock bushings (medium) too soft and surfy, try the Ace hards. They are evenly amazing if not better. They have the awesome Ace turn but have more hold and stability.
What I’ve been wanting to hear. I’ve liked my aces just fine, until I jumped on an old set of Indy’s. Dumb question, will they make my classic 55’s feel more like stage xi 169’s?
No they won't. They'll feel like Aces, just with added stability. They WILL turn.
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
I put bones hardcore hards on my new setup today and instantly fell in love. This is my first set though, so I can only speak to their immediate feel. I hear they blowout quickly though, so maybe not what you’re looking for
I’ll try a set of bones next and would like to try them supercush ones but have no idea where to find em. My local shop only had the thunder branded bushings in stock so I went with a set of red 97 duro. Figured they’ll atleast last me through the summer
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
I put bones hardcore hards on my new setup today and instantly fell in love. This is my first set though, so I can only speak to their immediate feel. I hear they blowout quickly though, so maybe not what you’re looking for
I’ll try a set of bones next and would like to try them supercush ones but have no idea where to find em. My local shop only had the thunder branded bushings in stock so I went with a set of red 97 duro. Figured they’ll atleast last me through the summer
From my experience Thunder bushings are pretty good. I’m putting some of their 90a orange bottoms on a set of my Indys and something a little harder up top
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I put the awful Independent Red “soft” bushings on my cruiser with soft OJ wheels and they’re not terrible for this application.
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
And I will suggest trying the Black Indys. I blew out a lot of other brands but not these.
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
I dunno if it’s Indy trucks or their stock bushings, but my 139s sliced the stock bushings up in a week or so. They were like, oozing through the washers and getting sliced on turns.
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
I dunno if it’s Indy trucks or their stock bushings, but my 139s sliced the stock bushings up in a week or so. They were like, oozing through the washers and getting sliced on turns.
a big batch of indys are set with wrong washers (too small / sharp edges)
it's really disapppointing
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Any hard bushing recommendations? I’m riding thunder 149 team standards with the 100d lime green bushings and I blew them out in about 3ish months. A buddy of mine recommended doh dohs but the last time I rode those I blew those out even faster than the thunder bushings.
I dunno if it’s Indy trucks or their stock bushings, but my 139s sliced the stock bushings up in a week or so. They were like, oozing through the washers and getting sliced on turns.
a big batch of indys are set with wrong washers (too small / sharp edges)
it's really disapppointing
Well I big-brained that shit. Put Thunder 90a on the bottom with no washer, dimebag 98a on top with the washer. 1 thread showing and I can carve on 60mm wheels without bite. It lowered their height 1.2mm too, which is a plus imo. The geometry feels pretty much unaffected.
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How much stiffer do the blue Indy 92a medium hards feel compared to the stock oranges? I think I would benefit from a bit harder bushings (currently running Indy stocks), but don't want to go too stiff all of a sudden.
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How much stiffer do the blue Indy 92a medium hards feel compared to the stock oranges?
About 2a. *Badum tsch*
Seriously though, it's not a massive difference and will probably be exactly what you're looking for. It's less of a change than going from Ace stock to Ace hard. If you don't mind funky color combos, you can also mix to get a middle ground, blue top and stock bottom.
The blue are the same as stock though in that you'll need to break them in when you first get them, they are wheelbite city and feel way too soft for the first bit till they firm up.
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How much stiffer do the blue Indy 92a medium hards feel compared to the stock oranges?
About 2a. *Badum tsch*
Seriously though, it's not a massive difference and will probably be exactly what you're looking for. It's less of a change than going from Ace stock to Ace hard. If you don't mind funky color combos, you can also mix to get a middle ground, blue top and stock bottom.
The blue are the same as stock though in that you'll need to break them in when you first get them, they are wheelbite city and feel way too soft for the first bit till they firm up.
Hey thanks. Will try the blue ones. Yeah, speaking of Aces, the stock ones are way too loose, but in my experience the Ace hards are pretty much perfect.
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How much stiffer do the blue Indy 92a medium hards feel compared to the stock oranges?
About 2a. *Badum tsch*
Seriously though, it's not a massive difference and will probably be exactly what you're looking for. It's less of a change than going from Ace stock to Ace hard. If you don't mind funky color combos, you can also mix to get a middle ground, blue top and stock bottom.
The blue are the same as stock though in that you'll need to break them in when you first get them, they are wheelbite city and feel way too soft for the first bit till they firm up.
Hey thanks. Will try the blue ones. Yeah, speaking of Aces, the stock ones are way too loose, but in my experience the Ace hards are pretty much perfect.
Blues feel pretty close to ace hard, I mean, as close as a totally different truck is gonna feel. If I didn't skate any transition I'd probably go blue, but I've gotten used to a looser setup. And seriously, try Ace top washers... Indy stock with Ace top washer has cured my truck/bushing madness. They firm up the overall feel a bit and make them bounce back to center better.
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How much stiffer do the blue Indy 92a medium hards feel compared to the stock oranges?
About 2a. *Badum tsch*
Seriously though, it's not a massive difference and will probably be exactly what you're looking for. It's less of a change than going from Ace stock to Ace hard. If you don't mind funky color combos, you can also mix to get a middle ground, blue top and stock bottom.
The blue are the same as stock though in that you'll need to break them in when you first get them, they are wheelbite city and feel way too soft for the first bit till they firm up.
Hey thanks. Will try the blue ones. Yeah, speaking of Aces, the stock ones are way too loose, but in my experience the Ace hards are pretty much perfect.
Blues feel pretty close to ace hard, I mean, as close as a totally different truck is gonna feel. If I didn't skate any transition I'd probably go blue, but I've gotten used to a looser setup. And seriously, try Ace top washers... Indy stock with Ace top washer has cured my truck/bushing madness. They firm up the overall feel a bit and make them bounce back to center better.
Oh yes. Read about the Ace top washer hack earlier here or somewhere else, thanks, will try!
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anyone have the height of bones bushings?
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anyone have the height of bones bushings?
Had a minute and just checked then on a set of soft, blue top white bushings, although everything should be the same dimensions across all their options.
Total without washer a hair over 24 mm
Top about or just under 11 mm, maybe 10.5
Bottom about or just over 13 mm, maybe 13.5
Flat washer just under one mm
All up everything pretty much bang on 25 mm when put together.
Also to note, the well used set is squashed down about 2 mm or more when I checked them a while back, around 22 mm total, top maybe 10 and bottom 12 or so, but I don't have any right here with me.
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Just put ace hards in AF1’s yesterday which made them feel much better to me, however I blew out one pivot cup in 45 minutes. Back to Indy 149s and blue bushings.
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Just put ace hards in AF1’s yesterday which made them feel much better to me, however I blew out one pivot cup in 45 minutes. Back to Indy 149s and blue bushings.
ace pivot cups really are terrible, you should try thunder pivot cups for them
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I'm riding my main setup with stock ventures.
I took my antihero luso shape to the park yesterday for the first time and it was really fun.
The only thing I didn't like was the blue conical bushings were really loose because it was so hot so I put some old hard bones I had on me and it helped a bit but not much.
I went to the shop afterwards and bought the black cylinder Indy bushings and they feel much better.
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Ok guys, I’m having some serious gear madness.
Trying not to think too much about my set up. I just want to pick some stuff out that I like, and go skate and have fun.
Problem is I’m about 30 pounds heavier than I was a year ago. Stock bushing are too soft. I need a harder bushing.
I want to run normal Indy Stage 11’s. I would just get black bushings, but I really want white bushings. I just think it looks really clean.
Who makes a good hard bushing that’s white, and works well with Indy’s?
I saw Doh-Doh’s makes some. I’m not a Bones guy, but I may be willing to give them a go. ACE also makes hard bushings. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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Ok guys, I’m having some serious gear madness.
Trying not to think too much about my set up. I just want to pick some stuff out that I like, and go skate and have fun.
Problem is I’m about 30 pounds heavier than I was a year ago. Stock bushing are too soft. I need a harder bushing.
I want to run normal Indy Stage 11’s. I would just get black bushings, but I really want white bushings. I just think it looks really clean.
Who makes a good hard bushing that’s white, and works well with Indy’s?
I saw Doh-Doh’s makes some. I’m not a Bones guy, but I may be willing to give them a go. ACE also makes hard bushings. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
I'm 185/190 depending on the day. I find the blue 92s to be excellent (and I pair them with the yellow 96a indy tops to mimic the ACE dual duro setup but leaning (heh) towards the harder end since I've got some mass), but you want white and I feel you on that, so go for the ACE Hards (preferably with the ACE low HARD top); alternatively, Bones Hards?
While I prefer white, I'm trying to let that go (how often are you looking at your trucks when skating?)
Also, since I have madness, I found the ACE HARD bottom with the BONES HARD top to work very very well (remember the ACE regular - at least AF1s - top bushing is very tall compared to other bushings; like thunder bottoms are to other brands, such is the ACE top.
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Ok guys, I’m having some serious gear madness.
Trying not to think too much about my set up. I just want to pick some stuff out that I like, and go skate and have fun.
Problem is I’m about 30 pounds heavier than I was a year ago. Stock bushing are too soft. I need a harder bushing.
I want to run normal Indy Stage 11’s. I would just get black bushings, but I really want white bushings. I just think it looks really clean.
Who makes a good hard bushing that’s white, and works well with Indy’s?
I saw Doh-Doh’s makes some. I’m not a Bones guy, but I may be willing to give them a go. ACE also makes hard bushings. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
If they've gotta be white, I'd go with Ace hard, they're great bushings. You may want to shave a mm or two off of them as they're a bit taller than Indys. You can just rub them on griptape or sandpaper until they're close. For the tapered top one, sand the wide end otherwise it'll be too wide at the top and the washer will cut it.
I think some people on here have put them in stock, it's probably fine, I'm just kind of anal retentive with that stuff.
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Ok guys, I’m having some serious gear madness.
Trying not to think too much about my set up. I just want to pick some stuff out that I like, and go skate and have fun.
Problem is I’m about 30 pounds heavier than I was a year ago. Stock bushing are too soft. I need a harder bushing.
I want to run normal Indy Stage 11’s. I would just get black bushings, but I really want white bushings. I just think it looks really clean.
Who makes a good hard bushing that’s white, and works well with Indy’s?
I saw Doh-Doh’s makes some. I’m not a Bones guy, but I may be willing to give them a go. ACE also makes hard bushings. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
If they've gotta be white, I'd go with Ace hard, they're great bushings. You may want to shave a mm or two off of them as they're a bit taller than Indys. You can just rub them on griptape or sandpaper until they're close. For the tapered top one, sand the wide end otherwise it'll be too wide at the top and the washer will cut it.
I think some people on here have put them in stock, it's probably fine, I'm just kind of anal retentive with that stuff.
-- or just use the tops from an Ace Hard Low set.
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Ok guys, I’m having some serious gear madness.
Trying not to think too much about my set up. I just want to pick some stuff out that I like, and go skate and have fun.
Problem is I’m about 30 pounds heavier than I was a year ago. Stock bushing are too soft. I need a harder bushing.
I want to run normal Indy Stage 11’s. I would just get black bushings, but I really want white bushings. I just think it looks really clean.
Who makes a good hard bushing that’s white, and works well with Indy’s?
I saw Doh-Doh’s makes some. I’m not a Bones guy, but I may be willing to give them a go. ACE also makes hard bushings. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
If they've gotta be white, I'd go with Ace hard, they're great bushings. You may want to shave a mm or two off of them as they're a bit taller than Indys. You can just rub them on griptape or sandpaper until they're close. For the tapered top one, sand the wide end otherwise it'll be too wide at the top and the washer will cut it.
I think some people on here have put them in stock, it's probably fine, I'm just kind of anal retentive with that stuff.
-- or just use the tops from an Ace Hard Low set.
Definitely an option, sanding down a standard one just saves you from having to get two sets, that and lows can be hard to find, I've never even seen a set of lows around here, let alone the bushings.
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Stock Royal bushings are my favorite. A little harder would be perfect.
I run stock indy bushings on venture lows and they actually turn with the nut flush. They actually got way too loose at first and didn’t turn right.
I also run venture stock bushings on a venture baseplate / thunder hanger. And goddamn does it feel good. It’s like a more stable Royal honestly. None of that Thunder twitch.
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Bottom Ace, top is Indy. They're in my 159 hollows. Tossed 'em in during a bout of madness. I just like the idea of fucking with my trucks. Riding stock is boring. All mine have bushings from other brands in them lol
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Stock AF1 that'll get switched for idk once they die
i tried to give a shit but i really couldn't care less - I just replace em when they've rotted out
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Been on the Indy Medium Hards (the blue ones, 92 if I'm correct) for a while now and grown to like them a lot. Had to crank my kingpin nuts down a whole lot with the stock mediums as I wanted to go tighter and tighter, now that madness has subsided. Might try the 94 hards (black) in the future, but for now, these do the job for me on both street and transition.
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I lost a lot of weight due to medical issues and am at 156 lbs now (71 kg) and the Indy blues were a bit too hard sometimes. I kept the blue top bushings and swapped in a standard Indy bottom bushing. Works well so far.
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
How's the turn on the hard ace bushings? I'm actually have a meltdown trying to get my aces to feel right. Ace stock bushings were really loose in the middle and then restricted on the edges and deep carves (I guess this stops them wheelbiting). I'm on Indy orange bushings right now and the carve is more consistent from middle to edge but even the Indy orange feel kinda squirly in aces and I'm a pretty light person. Normally Indy orange feel medium/tight.
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
I agree with Ben D that people often run their trucks too loose for no reason and their tricks might suffer. What are you skating where the harder bushings would limit you? I could see it for a lot of really tight bowl or street skating, but there are tons of pros and normal people that fucking rip all types of terrain with tight trucks. One of the local ATV crushers that is up and coming rides stock Indy bushings in his Thunders cranked yet still carves insane pools.
You'll probably feel off balance and strange at first, but get used to the lean.
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
That's the exact reason I decided to pull all my spare parts and setup different decks. Most of them are still carvey, but I got a few I dont mind running harder bushings for that pop pop.
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
How's the turn on the hard ace bushings? I'm actually have a meltdown trying to get my aces to feel right. Ace stock bushings were really loose in the middle and then restricted on the edges and deep carves (I guess this stops them wheelbiting). I'm on Indy orange bushings right now and the carve is more consistent from middle to edge but even the Indy orange feel kinda squirly in aces and I'm a pretty light person. Normally Indy orange feel medium/tight.
they sorta feel like lurpivs. they’re can carve but are stable compared to the stock bushings. usually with stock bushings my tail would dip heel side when popping or i’d get wheel bite when landing. haven’t noticed much of either of those. also the nut (on the hard bushings) is barely even on yet feels tight enough for me. it’s definitely worth a shot
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
I agree with Ben D that people often run their trucks too loose for no reason and their tricks might suffer. What are you skating where the harder bushings would limit you? I could see it for a lot of really tight bowl or street skating, but there are tons of pros and normal people that fucking rip all types of terrain with tight trucks. One of the local ATV crushers that is up and coming rides stock Indy bushings in his Thunders cranked yet still carves insane pools.
You'll probably feel off balance and strange at first, but get used to the lean.
lmao that was the video that had me consider them. also this one by norman woods. transition and also transportation. the pavement in my city is pretty inconsistent and having em swirly was pretty helpful.
definitely, the lean feels weird especially on my back lol. it’s growing on me tho
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decided to throw on ace hard bushings on my back truck (af1). pop is more consistent and higher. idk if i should put em on the front truck as well. i do miss the freedom of the stock bushings but shit really be doing my pop a disservice and i gotta make that comprise
feel free to lmk if there are any good variations/combos with the stock and hard bushings
At least between the stock set and the hard set you pretty much have all options there to mix and match as you want, eg hard top, stock bottom / stock top, hard bottom or whatever combinations of those you might want to try, like stock front truck and hard back truck.
I would be marking which ones are stock and which ones are hard too, unless it is super easy to tell the difference, as they are both white, but if one set is well worn and the other brand new, it might not be such a big deal.
Genius in the web design department, re names of the listings, but you get it easily enough.
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hard-bushings
Ace Hard Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics
Top - 94a
Bottom - 94a
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/copy-of-ace-hard-bushings
Ace Standard/Stock Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics
Top - 91a
Bottom - 86a
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If you ride Aces, the hard bushings are the shit.
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My front top lowering kit bushing can almost fit through the hanger hole.
I'm going back to Indy soft
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i think i have stock thunder in my back truck and something else in my front
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Ventures with ace low bushings unlocks a real sweet spot from the usual turning radius the stock bushings allow. I’ve ran it on 5.2 and 5.6.
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Stock AF1 treat me right. I don't see any reason to change that.
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Stock AF1. If I start taking my trucks apart I’d probably lose my mind
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I foolishly thought hard bushings were a gimmick. I couldn’t have been more wrong. My 159s only have one thread showing and they’re perfectly. Nice and surfy yet stable.
Hard Ace on bottom, hard Indy on top. Love this combination. My setup has never felt this good 😍
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Is there somewhere in this thread where all the various bushing heights are listed?
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Is there somewhere in this thread where all the various bushing heights are listed?
Most recent one here, I think.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3874036#msg3874036
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Ace Hard Bushings in AF1 55s. I loved how stock AF1 bushings turned, but I always felt a little disconnected to my board and not stable enough to have consistent pop.
Highly recommend for anyone with Aces that is on the heavier side and or just wants a bit more stability in their AF1s
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It's over. This was fun while it lasted.
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Ace hard bushings make AF1s feel kinda perfect but that clicking is scaring me. CLICK!
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Ace hard bushings make AF1s feel kinda perfect but that clicking is scaring me. CLICK!
The click in any bushings with any trucks almost always comes from the metal on metal contact of washer binding on the nut. It can also happen with the washer on the bottom of the baseplate.
Putting a little something between those two metal areas usually means there is no binding so in turn no click.
Up to you what you put there, various things have worked, be it something sticky like tape or a little wax or lube, it usually stops the clicking right away and often doesn't come back, unless the two metal surfaces start binding again.
Hoping that makes sense.
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stock bushings from indy
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Ace hard bushings make AF1s feel kinda perfect but that clicking is scaring me. CLICK!
The click in any bushings with any trucks almost always comes from the metal on metal contact of washer binding on the nut. It can also happen with the washer on the bottom of the baseplate.
Putting a little something between those two metal areas usually means there is no binding so in turn no click.
Up to you what you put there, various things have worked, be it something sticky like tape or a little wax or lube, it usually stops the clicking right away and often doesn't come back, unless the two metal surfaces start binding again.
Hoping that makes sense.
Thank you, I will try this.
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Thunder 95DU replacement bushings cuz I blew up the stock ones.
they suck
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Care to elaborate why you think they suck? Was thinking about getting them, since the 94a clear blue that were available for some time are nowhere to be found anymore.
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Thunder 95DU replacement bushings cuz I blew up the stock ones.
they suck
Care to elaborate why you think they suck? Was thinking about getting them, since the 94a clear blue that were available for some time are nowhere to be found anymore.
I was wondering if it was the stock 90s that suck, which I thought was what was meant, or the other way round?
Any bushing can blow out if tightened down too much too soon, or if they are too loose for the person, but at least with pretty much all options, from 90, 94, 95, 97, 100 in Thunder bushings, you pretty much have it all covered.
The basic bushings in a tube are sometimes harder to come by than the rebuild kit, which has bushings, washers, nuts and pivot cups, but even then at least the bushings are the same throughout the trucks, the tube and the kits.
I had put this up earlier in the Thunder thread, just copied all of it across.
Just a bit of info anyway.
Where can you get Thunder bushings? Are stock ones 90 duro? Mine are finally starting to crumble.
Stalking your history and if you are in Virginia, this one is in stock - obviously it is a big place and you might not be anywhere near the shop, but you might find the rebuild kits more easy to find than just the stand alone bushing tubes:
https://venueskateboards.com/products/thunder-rebuild-kit-red-90du
This is what I had posted before:
Where can you get Thunder bushings? Are stock ones 90 duro? Mine are finally starting to crumble.
Yes, stock in any colour are 90 duro, even though some people say the different colours, or the clear vs plain or solid colour (like white) skate differently in them. I have definitely felt small differences, although that might be more to do with the age of the bushings than anything else.
The aftermarket bushings currently come in lots of options from 90 white or clear orange, 94, 97 and 100 in the plain packs, or the full rebuild kit with nuts and washers in 90 red, as well.
Most shops have them and they are maybe the cheapest of the main brands stock / aftermarket type bushings, but sometimes or some areas might be short on stock, depending on where you are in the world.
From the Thunder site with the current colours, although there are still a lot of the older ones out there too:
(https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/spring23/15-th-sp23-ff-accessories.jpg)
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What would you use in Indys 215 ?
It's supposed to be a Stage IV but before the recent Stage IV reissue there was no stage IV specific bushings (which are a bit different than stage XI bushings). As a result we had to go for what was available i.e. stage XI bushings.
Does somebody knows 215 bushings dimensions ?
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What would you use in Indys 215 ?
It's supposed to be a Stage IV but before the recent Stage IV reissue there was no stage IV specific bushings (which are a bit different than stage XI bushings). As a result we had to go for what was available i.e. stage XI bushings.
Does somebody knows 215 bushings dimensions ?
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Do Ace bushings fit in the Indy Stage 4's/215's?
That was one answer in the "Questions" thread.
The set of 215s I have that didn't come with stock bushings worked really well with the older (and way taller) aftermarket Indy bushings, which barely fit in normal Indy trucks at the time, but that also depends on someone having some left over bushings from way back then, so that doesn't really help now.
There are the black aftermarkets that are slightly taller in the bottom cylinder shape, which do fit, which also feel ok with the nut flush, so they are not so tight but still have a firmer base, if that makes sense.
At least Indy have released their own Stage 4 bushings in the three options, but if they are not in your country yet (as per most of the world I think) then as Jake said above, Ace bushings being taller should work fairly well too.
Somewhere in the Indy thread, or even in the Indy Stage 4 thread, people had posted the bushings and measurements, which I can't find right this minute, but from someone sending it directly to me, this is about what they were:
Top 12.5 mm tall
Bottom 14.5 to 15 mm tall
That said, two people I know who ride 215s are in the ultra loose truck category, so they both have a cut job from any other bushings, so I guess you could still run any normal set of bushings in them and they will still work ok, going by what they do with their trucks.
I tried a few options, including some of the dreaded aftermarket red 88s mainly because I can't find a happy home for them, so although they worked ok, they weren't what I would be putting in those trucks any time soon.
Indy thread:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.1650
Indy Stage 4 thread:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126174.0
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What would you use in Indys 215 ?
It's supposed to be a Stage IV but before the recent Stage IV reissue there was no stage IV specific bushings (which are a bit different than stage XI bushings). As a result we had to go for what was available i.e. stage XI bushings.
Does somebody knows 215 bushings dimensions ?
I don’t have 215’s on hand, but I have XI, IV and ace classics, and did some comparison. I can measure when I get home, but stage IV are the same dimensions as Ace, and older 215’s should be same as stage XI. From what I recall re: 4 vs 11, the bushings are baseplate rather than hanger specific, which means you can swap hangers but need to use the bushies native to the baseplate.
Edit: Just did some quick measure/compare.
XI: 10mm top, 13mm bottom
IV/Ace Classic 12mm top, 14mm bottom
kingpin protrusion from baseplate:
IV 37mm
XI 35mm
4 bushings on an 11 baseplate would feel tight at flush, 4 bottom and 11 top would probably work well.
11 bushings on a 4 baseplate would be close to rattle at flush and have less kp clearance.
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Of course brimmo beat me to it.
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What would you use in Indys 215 ?
It's supposed to be a Stage IV but before the recent Stage IV reissue there was no stage IV specific bushings (which are a bit different than stage XI bushings). As a result we had to go for what was available i.e. stage XI bushings.
Does somebody knows 215 bushings dimensions ?
I don’t have 215’s on hand, but I have XI, IV and ace classics, and did some comparison. I can measure when I get home, but stage IV are the same dimensions as Ace, and older 215’s should be same as stage XI. From what I recall re: 4 vs 11, the bushings are baseplate rather than hanger specific, which means you can swap hangers but need to use the bushies native to the baseplate.
Edit: Just did some quick measure/compare.
XI: 10mm top, 13mm bottom
IV/Ace Classic 12mm top, 14mm bottom
kingpin protrusion from baseplate:
IV 37mm
XI 35mm
4 bushings on an 11 baseplate would feel tight at flush, 4 bottom and 11 top would probably work well.
11 bushings on a 4 baseplate would be close to rattle at flush and have less kp clearance.
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Of course brimmo beat me to it.
But that is good info and worth posting, so it is good to have yours too.
No harm in two replies - much better than none!
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Just here to say the stock bushings in Film trucks are really good...only been on them for a month but they are holding up really good. Very responsive
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What would you use in Indys 215 ?
It's supposed to be a Stage IV but before the recent Stage IV reissue there was no stage IV specific bushings (which are a bit different than stage XI bushings). As a result we had to go for what was available i.e. stage XI bushings.
Does somebody knows 215 bushings dimensions ?
I don’t have 215’s on hand, but I have XI, IV and ace classics, and did some comparison. I can measure when I get home, but stage IV are the same dimensions as Ace, and older 215’s should be same as stage XI. From what I recall re: 4 vs 11, the bushings are baseplate rather than hanger specific, which means you can swap hangers but need to use the bushies native to the baseplate.
Edit: Just did some quick measure/compare.
XI: 10mm top, 13mm bottom
IV/Ace Classic 12mm top, 14mm bottom
kingpin protrusion from baseplate:
IV 37mm
XI 35mm
4 bushings on an 11 baseplate would feel tight at flush, 4 bottom and 11 top would probably work well.
11 bushings on a 4 baseplate would be close to rattle at flush and have less kp clearance.
Edit #2:
Of course brimmo beat me to it.
But that is good info and worth posting, so it is good to have yours too.
No harm in two replies - much better than none!
:)
Just to update a bit on the aftermarket IV bushings, I picked up a set of 94 blacks to try in my AF1s and the bottom bushing is maybe a mil taller than Ace 94s. Unfortunately I must’ve left my digital caliper on as the battery is dead so I can’t do an exact measurement yet.
The IV 94s felt about as soft as the Aces which is not my usual experience. They’re kind of my Goldilocks bushings nut flush in XIs. They were probably so new that they would firm up after a while but I wound up chucking them in the parts box. Printed cardboard boxes now instead of the plastic rectangle the Indy standards have been coming in.
So, since this is the point of this thread, for Ace AF1s I’m running a Bones hard bottom on top with a flat washer and Ace hard bottoms, preserving that Ace mixed duro and at the same height. The trucks are now carvey but stable at nut flush, at least they are for my 250lb carcass.
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
Curious to hear more, or see more if you have pics.
I know some people don't wear them in, eg go gently on them for the first session or two and then start to skate normally after that, which can cause them to split at the sides from the washer pinching down on the top bushing, or the bottom buldging out over the hanger yoke or washer when the truck is bent in a crooks or slappy position.
Any which way, they shouldn't be coming apart so I would like to see or hear more.
Might be worth talking to the shop you got them from too.
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There seems to be newer Indy aftermarket bushings that say INDEPENDENT on them. The “old” ones had no writting.
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There seems to be newer Indy aftermarket bushings that say INDEPENDENT on them. The “old” ones had no writting.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CusOQgLPP7o/?img_index=1
These ones?
Just make sure you have Stage 4 trucks with your Stage 4 bushings, as they are different heights to the normal Stage 11 bushings.
I hadn't seen any othes, so I am guessing these are the ones you mean.
Others have talked about them too, which fit Indy Stage 4 trucks as well as Ace trucks nicely.
Indy Stage 4 thread here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126174.0
This might be useful info as well:
This was from a while back, with the Stage 4 bushings added before anyone had the correct measurements:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3874036;topicseen#msg3874036
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Indy Stage 4
Total 27 mm
Top 12.5 mm
Bottom 14.5 mm
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
I bought the blue 92a cylinders last summer and they have been working great, no issues.
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
Completely different from your experience, I just put some red 88a conicals in thunders and it feels really good after a few sessions. I tried the red cylinders in Indy’s 3 years ago and they were the worst pieces of shit I’ve ever tried to skate. My last trucks we’re ventures with 90a cylinders and they lasted the life of the trucks. Based on the improvement of the reds I have to think they upped qc or changed production on them honestly.
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Im on indy whites. In my opinion its the best venture bushing if youre under 150lbs.
Im so fit rn i feel like i could go to Greece and just skate around kicking the heads off old statues. Be like water bitch vandal24
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
I recently bought some of those hard black Indy bushings to use on my Thunder 149s and they're actually really good. I primarily got them to help alleviate wheel bite and it's reduced it by about 50% which is good enough for me. I've been rocking them for about a month now and they're holding up nicely.
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
Using Indy aftermarket orange bushings in thunder titaniums. No issues!
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
Curious to hear more, or see more if you have pics.
I know some people don't wear them in, eg go gently on them for the first session or two and then start to skate normally after that, which can cause them to split at the sides from the washer pinching down on the top bushing, or the bottom buldging out over the hanger yoke or washer when the truck is bent in a crooks or slappy position.
Any which way, they shouldn't be coming apart so I would like to see or hear more.
Might be worth talking to the shop you got them from too.
So it looks like it was the washers that came with the replacement bushings that caused the issue. When I tried another set with the stock Indy washers that came with the trucks they didn't start shredding. Seems kind of weird but that's what I've discovered. These are the 96a yellow Indy aftermarket bushings that I've been using for years. This particular batch seems noticeably softer than my older ones so IDK they may have changed the formula. I may go back to Supercush bushings if I can actually find some again.
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
Completely different from your experience, I just put some red 88a conicals in thunders and it feels really good after a few sessions. I tried the red cylinders in Indy’s 3 years ago and they were the worst pieces of shit I’ve ever tried to skate. My last trucks we’re ventures with 90a cylinders and they lasted the life of the trucks. Based on the improvement of the reds I have to think they upped qc or changed production on them honestly.
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Anybody used Indy replacement bushings lately? I just got a set of the 96a yellow ones and they started falling apart after 5 minutes of skating in my 149's. I had a few sets in the past that never did that, so I'm perplexed. Wondering if there was a production issue lately or something?
Curious to hear more, or see more if you have pics.
I know some people don't wear them in, eg go gently on them for the first session or two and then start to skate normally after that, which can cause them to split at the sides from the washer pinching down on the top bushing, or the bottom buldging out over the hanger yoke or washer when the truck is bent in a crooks or slappy position.
Any which way, they shouldn't be coming apart so I would like to see or hear more.
Might be worth talking to the shop you got them from too.
So it looks like it was the washers that came with the replacement bushings that caused the issue. When I tried another set with the stock Indy washers that came with the trucks they didn't start shredding. Seems kind of weird but that's what I've discovered. These are the 96a yellow Indy aftermarket bushings that I've been using for years. This particular batch seems noticeably softer than my older ones so IDK they may have changed the formula. I may go back to Supercush bushings if I can actually find some again.
Sounds like they might have changed the formula then, or at least different product from what it was before, from the old packaging with the cross to the new one with the diamond logo maybe, or even just different runs of the newer ones.
Heard that from a few people now, who have had different experiences with the newer bushings, compared to the older bushings.
Kind of weird, but the aftermarket bushings have different washers in with them, smaller washers, for the most part, so although I really just use the conical shaped bushings, I have trimmed down the bottom edge on some cylinder bushings to fit better in some trucks I had put on a board for someone who didn't have their own stock bushings.
The size of them sometimes works better and sometimes not so well, I have seen.
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I bought Bones Soft to improve Indy turn.
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/bones-bushings
for my 169 Indy today. I have a 15.125” wheel base board (it comes at 15.5”) but I drilled the 3/8” back using 169 6 hole pattern. I have 1/4 Indy baseplate. The board is 33 long X 9.2” wide. I have 56 dragons. Looking forward to testing.
https://www.chicostix.com/products/chico-stix-x-ferris-plock-xl-9-3
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There seems to be newer Indy aftermarket bushings that say INDEPENDENT on them. The “old” ones had no writting.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CusOQgLPP7o/?img_index=1
These ones?
Just make sure you have Stage 4 trucks with your Stage 4 bushings, as they are different heights to the normal Stage 11 bushings.
I hadn't seen any othes, so I am guessing these are the ones you mean.
Others have talked about them too, which fit Indy Stage 4 trucks as well as Ace trucks nicely.
Indy Stage 4 thread here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126174.0
This might be useful info as well:
This was from a while back, with the Stage 4 bushings added before anyone had the correct measurements:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3874036;topicseen#msg3874036
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Indy Stage 4
Total 27 mm
Top 12.5 mm
Bottom 14.5 mm
Do these originals work with 215s? 215s seem like they still use the old school design so it would make sense.
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Do these originals work with 215s? 215s seem like they still use the old school design so it would make sense.
Sure do.
I tried a few variations of bushings just to see.
The main thing is the slightly taller bottom bushing gives more turn angle, not huge difference, but there is some difference, in the same way pututing a couple of washers under the bottom bushing also changes the turn of the trucks, eg makes a truck more turny like Ace.
The only thing is if they do sit too tall for comfort, or you can't get the nut down well enough, just cut a bit of the top bushing and they will fit and work really well. Might not be something you want to do - lots of people get weird about cutting down bushings - but having a taller bottom bushing and a lower top means you get more turn from the taller bottom bushing and then more clearance on the kingpin, or for some even just getting the kingpin nut on fully, where it might be not down as far as it should be to have the trucks at the right feel for you.
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Do these originals work with 215s? 215s seem like they still use the old school design so it would make sense.
Sure do.
I tried a few variations of bushings just to see.
The main thing is the slightly taller bottom bushing gives more turn angle, not huge difference, but there is some difference, in the same way pututing a couple of washers under the bottom bushing also changes the turn of the trucks, eg makes a truck more turny like Ace.
The only thing is if they do sit too tall for comfort, or you can't get the nut down well enough, just cut a bit of the top bushing and they will fit and work really well. Might not be something you want to do - lots of people get weird about cutting down bushings - but having a taller bottom bushing and a lower top means you get more turn from the taller bottom bushing and then more clearance on the kingpin, or for some even just getting the kingpin nut on fully, where it might be not down as far as it should be to have the trucks at the right feel for you.
Awesome, thanks so much for the fast reply! I've got a pair of 215s with the stock orange bushings that I can hardly stand on they're so loose. I don't want to just crank them down and over compress the bushings so I ordered some original hards but was second guessing the fitment. No worries with shaving them down, I've got a belt sander, haha. Cheers!
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Loose truck converter kits are harder to find. I assume it was a success
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
It’s okay, you’re amongst friends here.
I also wondered about this for the last three years. I’ve settled on just copying stock arrangement.
It makes the most sense to me that the machined hard edge would be on the washer, and the rounded side would be on hanger.
More solid on washer metal flat, and rounded on the dynamically moving hanger side.
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
I also wondered about this for the last three years. I’ve settled on just copying stock arrangement.
It makes the most sense to me that the machined hard edge would be on the washer, and the rounded side would be on hanger.
More solid on washer metal flat, and rounded on the dynamically moving hanger side.
Hadn't thought about it like that, but it makes sense. Thanks!
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Do these originals work with 215s? 215s seem like they still use the old school design so it would make sense.
Sure do.
I tried a few variations of bushings just to see.
The main thing is the slightly taller bottom bushing gives more turn angle, not huge difference, but there is some difference, in the same way pututing a couple of washers under the bottom bushing also changes the turn of the trucks, eg makes a truck more turny like Ace.
The only thing is if they do sit too tall for comfort, or you can't get the nut down well enough, just cut a bit of the top bushing and they will fit and work really well. Might not be something you want to do - lots of people get weird about cutting down bushings - but having a taller bottom bushing and a lower top means you get more turn from the taller bottom bushing and then more clearance on the kingpin, or for some even just getting the kingpin nut on fully, where it might be not down as far as it should be to have the trucks at the right feel for you.
Awesome, thanks so much for the fast reply! I've got a pair of 215s with the stock orange bushings that I can hardly stand on they're so loose. I don't want to just crank them down and over compress the bushings so I ordered some original hards but was second guessing the fitment. No worries with shaving them down, I've got a belt sander, haha. Cheers!
If you(well not you since you said they were to loose for your taste) want floppy loose 215s run a standard lower and upper bushing(ie not the ones for the 215s , regular 109-169s) if you want tighter run the lower stock 215 bushing with a lower conical bushing from the stage 11s(109-169) that will keep the height pretty close to the normal 215s and give you different duro options to firm them up to your liking.
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
I also wondered about this for the last three years. I’ve settled on just copying stock arrangement.
It makes the most sense to me that the machined hard edge would be on the washer, and the rounded side would be on hanger.
More solid on washer metal flat, and rounded on the dynamically moving hanger side.
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
At least the cylinder bushings really don't matter, but when you have the conical bushings, they clearly have a direction, as in both the circle sides on the hanger, so make of that what you will.
The video someone did once saying factory workers don't know which way the bushings go so they just put them in any which way, but the circle sides go to the hanger and the smooth sides go to the washers, so the circles help stop the hanger moving or something like that.
Any which way, it is not something I would argue over, so you can run them however you like in the cylinder bushings. I really only run the conical so they have to go one way only, which is as said both circle sides to the hanger.
Hopefully this hasn't caused anyone to cry and go change their bushings over, but yeah the stock and aftermarket bushings both work perfectly fine either way, so no matter there.
The best pic I could find at a minutes notice (click for bigger version)
(https://gomagcdn.ro/domains2/moldovitaskateboards.ro/files/product/original/independent-88a-standard-conical-soft-bushings-893171.jpeg)
(https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/CJsDR0RzoaC5PpDYHvOdSUxcDPQ=/fit-in/600x700/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/83995-0-Independent-92AStandardConicalMediumHard.jpg)
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Speaking of cylinder and conical: I've run Indy medium hard 92 cylinder bushings on my 144s and they're great. Haven't tried the conical ones, though. Is there a noticeable difference in feel/turn between cylinder and conical when running the same hardness?
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Speaking of cylinder and conical: I've run Indy medium hard 92 cylinder bushings on my 144s and they're great. Haven't tried the conical ones, though. Is there a noticeable difference in feel/turn between cylinder and conical when running the same hardness?
The word according to someone in the industry is, the cylinder bottom bushing gives more resistance than the conical shape bottom bushing.
Conical are ever so slightly less stiff to me, being the best way to describe the turn I get from the same bushings in durometer but different shape, cylinder to conical, so I can turn more quickly on the conical bushings I use.
The conical bushings are maybe more like the half turn compared to a cylinder feeling more like a full turn in tightening down the kingpin or instead of going from 90 duro to 92 duro, it is a touch more like 91, if either of those two make sense.
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200 lbs, Tensor Alloys 6.0, Independent 92a Medium-Hard Cushions, technical flatground with a little bit of street curb here and there.
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
I think this is what caused my confusion to begin with. I don't have the highest confidence that factory workers in China really know wtf they're doing when it comes to any of this. The circle side facing the hanger and the smooth side facing the washer was always my initial thought. Thanks for the additional input!
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Anybody know which direction Indy replacement bushings are supposed to face? The bottom barrel bushing has a machined side with a square edge and the other side is smooth with a rounded edge. I noticed the stock bushings have the machined side facing boardside but I always thought that side was supposed to face towards the hanger? I guess it probably doesn't matter much but it's messing with my madness lol
I always go flat side to the baseplates. I feel like it's less likely to get damaged round to hangers.
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Speaking of cylinder and conical: I've run Indy medium hard 92 cylinder bushings on my 144s and they're great. Haven't tried the conical ones, though. Is there a noticeable difference in feel/turn between cylinder and conical when running the same hardness?
Conical is the only way I go with indys. It's better in my opinion. I only notice the effects in manuals really. Conical turns better on one truck.
Also barrels will favor one side when old. Conicals stay straight for the duration of multiple truck lives
Has anyone tried Indy conical in Ventures?
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Speaking of cylinder and conical: I've run Indy medium hard 92 cylinder bushings on my 144s and they're great. Haven't tried the conical ones, though. Is there a noticeable difference in feel/turn between cylinder and conical when running the same hardness?
Conical is the only way I go with indys. It's better in my opinion. I only notice the effects in manuals really. Conical turns better on one truck.
How you install the Indy aftermarket conicals on Stage 11? Without boardside washer? The bushing is taller than barrel I reckon.
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Speaking of cylinder and conical: I've run Indy medium hard 92 cylinder bushings on my 144s and they're great. Haven't tried the conical ones, though. Is there a noticeable difference in feel/turn between cylinder and conical when running the same hardness?
Conical is the only way I go with indys. It's better in my opinion. I only notice the effects in manuals really. Conical turns better on one truck.
How you install the Indy aftermarket conicals on Stage 11? Without boardside washer? The bushing is taller than barrel I reckon.
(https://i.ibb.co/C99mmy0/17018456563231723629112348930094.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C99mmy0)
It's been a while but yes. I'd run a flat top washer now tho
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Just wanted to give an update after my Indy 215 question. The bushings that came with them were the orange stock bushings and were too floppy to comfortably ride even cranked down. I got the black "original" bushings and they're perfect and smooth turning with one thread showing. I think the new 215s are shipping with the wrong size bushings in them and recommend swapping stock with "original" regardless of hardness. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
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160 lbs. 5'6". Running thunders with old indy stock orange bushings in em. Street.
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Just wanted to give an update after my Indy 215 question. The bushings that came with them were the orange stock bushings and were too floppy to comfortably ride even cranked down. I got the black "original" bushings and they're perfect and smooth turning with one thread showing. I think the new 215s are shipping with the wrong size bushings in them and recommend swapping stock with "original" regardless of hardness. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Nice!
Were the stock bushings in the 215s the same height as the other stock Indy bushings now, or are they still a little taller?
Not a big deal, but it is curious some seemed like they were taller, then others seem like they are the same height, with the 215 kingpins being taller on the set I have.
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I’m a casual skater, but don’t think I’ll ever skate cheap bearings again. I’m only cruising and doing a few tricks but I can tell the difference. I thought my Bronson G3s were good until I tried the Swiss Six 😂
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Just wanted to give an update after my Indy 215 question. The bushings that came with them were the orange stock bushings and were too floppy to comfortably ride even cranked down. I got the black "original" bushings and they're perfect and smooth turning with one thread showing. I think the new 215s are shipping with the wrong size bushings in them and recommend swapping stock with "original" regardless of hardness. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Nice!
Were the stock bushings in the 215s the same height as the other stock Indy bushings now, or are they still a little taller?
Not a big deal, but it is curious some seemed like they were taller, then others seem like they are the same height, with the 215 kingpins being taller on the set I have.
The ones that came with mine were the same as regular stage 11 Indy bushings, but the kingpin is longer, causing a mismatch.
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Purple Venture bushings are back to being good.
I'm betting Mexican manufacturing started around the beginning of COVID-19. It took that long for the new science guys to get the mix right.
Shining and Brite is what you're looking for at the shop. Leave the dark purples for uninformed pals
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fuck that would bother me, paying a trucks full price and having not the good kind of bushings size with em.
sucks ...
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I’m a casual skater, but don’t think I’ll ever skate cheap bearings again. I’m only cruising and doing a few tricks but I can tell the difference. I thought my Bronson G3s were good until I tried the Swiss Six 😂
lol, just realized this is the bushing thread. Gotta really read the title.
I’m still uses Indy and Ace Hard in my 159s. They support my 250lbs nicely.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
(https://i.imgur.com/rpBY6Fg.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/TopGZnv
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
(https://i.imgur.com/rpBY6Fg.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/TopGZnv
Conicals just look better don't they.
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Conicals just look better don't they.
They do, and they actually work properly. My kid has red barrel ones on her deck, the nut isn't even flush and they feel too stiff for me.
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I really like the Indy blue 92 barrels. A solid feel, actually not unlike Ventures with the stock purple bushings, which I also like a lot.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
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Indy’s blue 92 with a washer under em on some royals, solid.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
I want the DLX tack and supply bushings, can't find them anywhere here in AUS anymore. I emailed DLX about it and they said they are working on a new bushing to hopefully release soon.
Edit: I just reread the email and it's not a new bushing but a revamp of the tack and supply ones. "They're not quite market ready yet" is what was said.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
I want the DLX tack and supply bushings, can't find them anywhere here in AUS anymore. I emailed DLX about it and they said they are working on a new bushing to hopefully release soon.
Edit: I just reread the email and it's not a new bushing but a revamp of the tack and supply ones. "They're not quite market ready yet" is what was said.
Sometimes these things take longer than planned, but at least something is in the works.
I do actually wonder if those Venture low head (loose kit) were a market test, because they could have been a good option to complement the Thunder bushing range, the Thunders in conical and the Venture bushings in cylinder shape in all the duro options that Thunder has - 90, 94, 95, 97, 100 etc.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
Wait really? Have you heard only outside the US or hard to get in the US as well?
I JUST order some conical 92 blues ;D I can’t wait to get my normal looking Indy’s back!
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remember the indy repair kit in a spare box ?
never buy those, even for gifts ... the bushings and pivots cups are hard plastic shits, not like normal ones. they are just garbage.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
I JUST order some conical 92 blues ;D I can’t wait to get my normal looking Indy’s back!
I think it comes down to what shops order, or even what distributors bring in to said country or area, but some bushings definitely seem harder to get hold of right now.
Maybe USA is well stocked or just some places only get the cylinder bushings now and not the conical as well - too many options and shops don't want to have stock sitting around, etc.
Not a worry either way really, as long as you can track down what you want, cause those things are not going anywhere and are still best sellers, both cylinder and conical both sell well in the 90, 92 and 94 options, but in 78 (white) 96 (yellow) and maybe even 88 (red) they only come out in cylinder, maybe red still in conical or these ones I have might be old stock only.
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
I JUST order some conical 92 blues ;D I can’t wait to get my normal looking Indy’s back!
I think it comes down to what shops order, or even what distributors bring in to said country or area, but some bushings definitely seem harder to get hold of right now.
Maybe USA is well stocked or just some places only get the cylinder bushings now and not the conical as well - too many options and shops don't want to have stock sitting around, etc.
Not a worry either way really, as long as you can track down what you want, cause those things are not going anywhere and are still best sellers, both cylinder and conical both sell well in the 90, 92 and 94 options, but in 78 (white) 96 (yellow) and maybe even 88 (red) they only come out in cylinder, maybe red still in conical or these ones I have might be old stock only.
Ah cool thanks.
the Whites in conical seem like great ankle breakers ;D
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
I JUST order some conical 92 blues ;D I can’t wait to get my normal looking Indy’s back!
I think it comes down to what shops order, or even what distributors bring in to said country or area, but some bushings definitely seem harder to get hold of right now.
Maybe USA is well stocked or just some places only get the cylinder bushings now and not the conical as well - too many options and shops don't want to have stock sitting around, etc.
Not a worry either way really, as long as you can track down what you want, cause those things are not going anywhere and are still best sellers, both cylinder and conical both sell well in the 90, 92 and 94 options, but in 78 (white) 96 (yellow) and maybe even 88 (red) they only come out in cylinder, maybe red still in conical or these ones I have might be old stock only.
the Whites in conical seem like great ankle breakers ;D
Red still come in both, I see on NHS site anyway.
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/independent-trucks-cushions
78 super soft / white - cylinder only
88 soft / red - cylinder / conical
90 medium / orange - cylinder / conical
92 medium hard / blue - cylinder / conical
94 hard / black - cylinder / conical
96 super hard / yellow - cylinder only
That is the breakdown of all options in normal Indy bushings.
They also have the taller ones for Stage 4 trucks too.
* I didn't notice it before, but the blue ones are the most popular as well.
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Just for shits and giggles, anyone know the hardness of tensor alloy bushings? Them things are conical but don’t feel like they turn much?
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Was running Aces with stock bushings. Was happy then a few sessions in (including a slam) it all felt too loose. So rather than tighten them up I just changed back to Indys with 92a conicals
Conicals just look better don't they.
Funny how much you get used to how certain trucks look, especially with specific bushings, eg Thunder conical, Venture cylinder, Ace cylinder, but I always run conical in my Indy trucks too, so this just looks normal to me, even though I deal with enough sets of Indy with stock bushings that it doesn't matter either way when not on a board.
Some people were saying the conical shaped 92 and 94 are really hard to get now, but I still seem to see a few around.
Anyone struggle to get specific bushings they want, but just cannot find anymore?
I JUST order some conical 92 blues ;D I can’t wait to get my normal looking Indy’s back!
I think it comes down to what shops order, or even what distributors bring in to said country or area, but some bushings definitely seem harder to get hold of right now.
Maybe USA is well stocked or just some places only get the cylinder bushings now and not the conical as well - too many options and shops don't want to have stock sitting around, etc.
Not a worry either way really, as long as you can track down what you want, cause those things are not going anywhere and are still best sellers, both cylinder and conical both sell well in the 90, 92 and 94 options, but in 78 (white) 96 (yellow) and maybe even 88 (red) they only come out in cylinder, maybe red still in conical or these ones I have might be old stock only.
the Whites in conical seem like great ankle breakers ;D
Indy whites sanded to conical and sanded lower are perfect🤌
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I’m a casual skater, but don’t think I’ll ever skate cheap bearings again. I’m only cruising and doing a few tricks but I can tell the difference. I thought my Bronson G3s were good until I tried the Swiss Six 😂
I’m still uses Indy and Ace Hard in my 159s. They support my 250lbs nicely.
At least your not being not stoked and crying in the stoked thread.
Like me
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Just for shits and giggles, anyone know the hardness of tensor alloy bushings? Them things are conical but don’t feel like they turn much?
They say they are all 90 duro, but the fact that Tensor trucks don't turn as much as some other more well known and used brands make me think it is not so much the bushings, as it is the trucks themselves.
I had a roll on a board with Tensors on it the other day and the turn in the trucks was less than my usual Indy ride.
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Found some not fully worked ace hards, back on royals…until I break and snag some 6.1s…
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
I was also looking at these Pig bushings. Most importantly, are these weather resistant?
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
I was also looking at these Pig bushings. Most importantly, are these weather resistant?
Haven't tried em in Aces but did in Royals so I believe that is the same bushing sizes. Great bushings and they are freeze resistant as well.
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I use Riptide KranK formula in 90A in Indy Stage 4 - Brad made some exact size cones and barrels to fit which I tested along with Stage 4 WFB pivots. Hope they release them on the site. Also using 90A bottom, 93A top in Ace. Flat washers all round.
Gotta be careful to keep truck geometry. Sometimes extra washers can work.
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
I was also looking at these Pig bushings. Most importantly, are these weather resistant?
Haven't tried em in Aces but did in Royals so I believe that is the same bushing sizes. Great bushings and they are freeze resistant as well.
Good to know, thank you.
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
Nevermind, I’m done with Aces apparently. I just ripped a brand new ace pivot cup in the first 20 minutes. Ace sent me these to replace the original pivot cup I noticed tore after 2 sessions. Both on the front truck.
I guess fitting that I’m in here, the bushing thread, bitching about the ace pivot bushings. I know it was a known issue with the AF1 initially but I thought had been sorted.
It’s a shame because they’re really good trucks otherwise. How this pivot cup issue wasn’t uncovered/fixed during R&D by pro skaters, while I’m shredding them from flat ground almost immediately, is beyond me though.
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I’ve been skating the blue Indy 92a cylinders lately on 144’s, and even with the kingpin nut almost falling off, they’re a little too stiff for me. I feel like they lost that “carvey” Indy turn. I weigh 150 lbs by the way. I really like the white Krux bushings in Indy’s though. They turn so good yet are more stable on center. My OCD wants the kingpin nut flush, and there’s still barely any nylock holding the bolt on with the Krux bushings the way I like them. I just ordered some Pig 91a’s and will report back when they come in. I hate my truck madness. This is all because I hate the color orange in the stock bushings even though they turn just fine.
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I’ve been skating the blue Indy 92a cylinders lately on 144’s, and even with the kingpin nut almost falling off, they’re a little too stiff for me. I feel like they lost that “carvey” Indy turn. I weigh 150 lbs by the way. I really like the white Krux bushings in Indy’s though. They turn so good yet are more stable on center. My OCD wants the kingpin nut flush, and there’s still barely any nylock holding the bolt on with the Krux bushings the way I like them. I just ordered some Pig 91a’s and will report back when they come in. I hate my truck madness. This is all because I hate the color orange in the stock bushings even though they turn just fine.
Dude you're doing yourself a disservice with your madness. The stock oranges are the next best thing to the blue 92s. I'm 150 lbs btw, and skating the blue cylinders and loving them. I do like my trucks pretty tight.
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Anyone already used any krux bushings? Bought myself the 96a pink ones and they dont fell 96a at all, seems actually softer than my old indys 94s. First 20 minutes they felt rock hard and then suddenly loose enought to fuck with my carving. Maybe they'll stiffen up after some time? Idk
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Anyone tried Independent bushings in ACEs? Just got the Blue barrel 92 duro's on some ACE 44 AF1 and they work great.
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bones med white/yellow
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
I was also looking at these Pig bushings. Most importantly, are these weather resistant?
Haven't tried em in Aces but did in Royals so I believe that is the same bushing sizes. Great bushings and they are freeze resistant as well.
I got a set of those white 91 duro Pig bushings. They seem to have the same size as Thunders, although the bottom bushing is a barrel and not a cylinder. I will try them in my Thunder 148s soon. But good to know that they are freeze resistant. Thanks man.
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
I was also looking at these Pig bushings. Most importantly, are these weather resistant?
Haven't tried em in Aces but did in Royals so I believe that is the same bushing sizes. Great bushings and they are freeze resistant as well.
Did the pig bushings click on your royals? And do they ever stop clicking if they do
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Anyone try those pig bushings? Particularly in aces? Was thinking of picking up the 91a as a middle ground between the stock and hard ace bushings.
I was also looking at these Pig bushings. Most importantly, are these weather resistant?
Haven't tried em in Aces but did in Royals so I believe that is the same bushing sizes. Great bushings and they are freeze resistant as well.
Did the pig bushings click on your royals? And do they ever stop clicking if they do
Clicking when trucks move side to side is not the bushings, but the washers, usually the top washer against the kingpin nut, so I guess depending on how much difference the hole in the washer compared to the kingpin, as well as how much the kingpin nut is binding on the washer, you would have more or have less or no clicking at all.
People have tried all sorts of things from putting tape round the kingpin (doesn't really work) to putting something else between the kingpin nut and the washer, or between the bottom washer and the baseplate, which usually works a lot better.
Up to you what you put between them - something sticky, something slippery, whatever it is, that is more often than not going to fix that clicking.
* Also to note, the clicking is often going to happen a bit more if there is more pressure, so if the bushings are tightened down more so than being very loose, but it is still down to the metal on metal every time.
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I’ve been skating the blue Indy 92a cylinders lately on 144’s, and even with the kingpin nut almost falling off, they’re a little too stiff for me. I feel like they lost that “carvey” Indy turn. I weigh 150 lbs by the way. I really like the white Krux bushings in Indy’s though. They turn so good yet are more stable on center. My OCD wants the kingpin nut flush, and there’s still barely any nylock holding the bolt on with the Krux bushings the way I like them. I just ordered some Pig 91a’s and will report back when they come in. I hate my truck madness. This is all because I hate the color orange in the stock bushings even though they turn just fine.
Dude you're doing yourself a disservice with your madness. The stock oranges are the next best thing to the blue 92s. I'm 150 lbs btw, and skating the blue cylinders and loving them. I do like my trucks pretty tight.
I’m 5’8 and 190 lbs. I’m running Indy blues as well. No returning back.
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I got stoned and couldn't put my swapped indy bushings back in their container for what may have been 20+ minute. It is a peculiar puzzle that turns out to require distinct and careful movements.
But having recently moved I have descovered like 6 perfect ride on curbs within a half mile radius.
https://youtu.be/Jzd7b88RYt0?si=mtAwEnLmtCJELpQz
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Anyone tried Independent bushings in ACEs? Just got the Blue barrel 92 duro's on some ACE 44 AF1 and they work great.
This is interesting to me. I use the blue conicals in Indys, might give it a shot on the ACE. I've not found anything I like in them yet.
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Tried running some 96a Krux bushings...they're soooo hard that I can't get get the kingpin nut nylon fully engaged on any truck except Royals (due to the longer than normal kingpin); they just won't compress...and even if I did get the nut flush they're not going to turn at all.
Tried them in thunder/venture/indy/slappy after trying to get them into my ventures...buyer beware!
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Tried running some 96a Krux bushings...they're soooo hard that I can't get get the kingpin nut nylon fully engaged on any truck except Royals (due to the longer than normal kingpin); they just won't compress...and even if I did get the nut flush they're not going to turn at all.
Tried them in thunder/venture/indy/slappy after trying to get them into my ventures...buyer beware!
Sounds like how stock Indy bushings were back in the day - twenty years ago anyway - where if anyone took off the kingpin nut before they had skated and compressed them, good luck trying to get that thing back on at all.
Stock bushings were taller back then too, compared to how they are now, so are the Krux bushings also taller than other normal brands?
Might work to cut the tops down, or run them in Ace trucks or something if left as is.
Even to put in the bottoms with another top or vice versa just to see if they compress at all.
Never seen any in person so I don't know about them, but when I look at the pic and they have the slogan "Worlds best cushions" I always think of it like a "Stay away" warning more than anything.
Those ones pink too, or they have different colours from different times? Right now I see blue 88, white 92 and pink 96 as the options.
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96a pink was matching them up with a board.
The bottom is taller than [they new china indy] bushings which is the issue; I'll run them in the royals to compress them down. FWIWI, I rcenlty ran some 94a indy blacks and they fit fine in everything.
Before ACE started selling bushings, I ran the older white krux in just about everything as they quality is great. I'd ride them over dohdohs anyday.
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Anyone already used any krux bushings? Bought myself the 96a pink ones and they dont fell 96a at all, seems actually softer than my old indys 94s. First 20 minutes they felt rock hard and then suddenly loose enought to fuck with my carving. Maybe they'll stiffen up after some time? Idk
weather maybe? keep board in house overnight. . . .
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Mine are hard AF, but do feel softer than the 96a indy yellows I have, the indys have zero give but are shorter.
The 96a krux pinks are gold in royals if your are heavier...they eat up some threads too.
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Pink = krux
Yellow/black Indy
(https://i.ibb.co/b59vfZ9/IMG-6067.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b59vfZ9)
The Indy’s have been ridden but not enough to squish down; krux are just a smidge taller.
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I’ve been using independent black barrel bushings the past few years in both Indy 159 and venture 6.1 (5’11, 205lbs). It’s a sold medium looseness with the axle nut flush.
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I’ve been using independent black barrel bushings the past few years in both Indy 159 and venture 6.1 (5’11, 205lbs). It’s a sold medium looseness with the axle nut flush.
193 ish here and running the blacks more often than not these days (coming off blues). There is a big jump between the 94a and 96a, with the 96a being really really hard. Comparatively, the 97du thunders are nowhere near as hard as the 96a indys, but more like the 94 indys (even the thunder blue 94s are soft); just grabbed a 100du thunder rebuild kit in hopes of getting something a bit harder feeling regardless of slapped on duro.
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Has anyone tried the new Doh Dohs cones? Seems to be a Bones competitor.
I know Shorty’s had plans for something similar back in the day but I never saw them available.
https://www.shortysinc.com/collections/bushings
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I’ve said it before but the Indy black bushings (barrel bottom not conical) are the perfect bushings for me. Nut flush, minimal break in time, and don’t blow out. I’m 235lbs of a nice mix of weightroom big and “too many cheeseburgers” big.