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Title: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cookiecuttersuburb on September 11, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFAz2i6nXD5/?igshid=1313erxbh708b
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: pugmaster on September 11, 2020, 04:32:02 PM
How great would it be if we found out that this whole time he was squatting in that house.
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Post by: shannamal on September 11, 2020, 04:32:49 PM
"i didn't get dumped YOU GOT DUMPED!!!!"
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Post by: Youoverthere on September 11, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
Fuck weck, but I back this antinike message.
Fuck nikesb.
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Post by: cucktard on September 11, 2020, 04:35:35 PM
He’s not wrong tho.
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Post by: lilboosie on September 11, 2020, 04:43:55 PM
lmao he really trying to pretend he is a sjw
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Post by: Biggiemouths on September 11, 2020, 04:45:34 PM
Dude's got a solid solid SOLID point 8)
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Post by: FROTHY on September 11, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
Correct. Nike has used slaves and has done as little as possible to cut that shit out. They are scum, and supporting them is unjustifiable. Not a conspiracy theory.
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Post by: ChuckRamone on September 11, 2020, 04:48:04 PM
I agree with him on this.
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Post by: Gab on September 11, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
I back this. Fuck Nike.

Unpopular opinion: I love weck
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: augustmoon on September 11, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
lol this is just him trying to justify whatever deranged rightwing, quanon horseshit he's about to spew.  dude's full on lost it. 
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: manysnakes on September 11, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ndsr on September 11, 2020, 05:03:15 PM
I agree with him on this.
There’s a first time for everything!  I also agree but Weck seriously stop making posts from homes you are remodeling
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: FROTHY on September 11, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands
Nike's own press release about the Uyghur slaves is more damning than your interpretation. A lot has changed recently because of China's new initiatives. It's a good time to look again.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: HORSES on September 11, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Man has lost the plot. It's obvious they stopped sending him shoes.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: banksandledges on September 11, 2020, 05:12:45 PM
Man has lost the plot. It's obvious they stopped sending him shoes.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cilantro on September 11, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
About a week ago Weck went into full conspiracy mode on Live. He was linking BLM protests to Jews and so on. In no way did it seem like he was joking. I saw this in passing and talked about it with another friend who also saw it, didn’t care enough to screen record it.
Also, a few weeks back his fiancé was making the rounds on Twitter for being called out for supporting that Kyle Rittenhouse kid. She made her twitter private right after.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Spaced Cadet on September 11, 2020, 05:26:27 PM
fuck nike


shalom
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Telly on September 11, 2020, 05:28:20 PM
With no product to sell or sponsors to call his actions to account why the fuck do I care what he has to say. 
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: shannamal on September 11, 2020, 05:31:12 PM
what the fuck are you all on? you don't get to shit on someone for the misdeeds when up till yesterday, you were fucking stoked to ride their shit. you don't get it both ways!

if it's fuck nike, then its fuck nike. you don't get to ride in nikes, ever.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cucktard on September 11, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands

Show me please. I try to keep up on labor standards, and Nike is consistently shit.

Adidas is the only once I’ve seen that approaches decency.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Mean Salto on September 11, 2020, 05:39:43 PM
bruh moment
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Post by: Burt Ward on September 11, 2020, 05:44:34 PM
Weck learning a hard lesson about capitalism.
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Post by: georgethecat on September 11, 2020, 06:17:26 PM
Oh wow, angry Randy Savage steroid skateboard man manages to ruin the thing where someone gives him free shoes sometimes.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: fredgallSOTY on September 11, 2020, 06:20:10 PM
Man has lost the plot. It's obvious they stopped sending him shoes.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Pete on September 11, 2020, 07:38:41 PM
everyone dom was flowing is no longer getting shoes. thought this was already established in a few threads

free max b
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: veritas on September 11, 2020, 07:47:34 PM
Correct. Nike has used slaves and has done as little as possible to cut that shit out. They are scum, and supporting them is unjustifiable. Not a conspiracy theory.

Slaves built your iPhone. We literally all rely on the slave labor of other human beings, it's become inescapable in our lives. At least Nike isn't raising the prices every year when they sell me the same pair of Blazers over and over again like Apple does with iPhones. Not that Nike isn't total slimebucket corporation.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: SneakySecrets on September 11, 2020, 08:01:34 PM
If we didn’t buy the shoes, how would they be able to afford all that rodent fecal matter-contaminated gruel for all those slaves?  That shit’s not free you know.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: michael scarn on September 11, 2020, 09:20:13 PM
I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: FROTHY on September 11, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
Here are some important differences:
1. They have a much bigger influence over how China operates its clothing and shoe factories because of the volume produced. They alone can make major changes if they're willing to face China head on.
2. While it's fair to suspect any other company producing shoes/clothes in China has these issues, nike was actually caught red handed with slaves (Quingdao Taekwang factory).
3. Other companies that were caught showed more transparency in dealing with it. They allowed human rights groups to conduct follow up inspections of their facilities and appear to actually want to address the issue.
4. Nike still produces shoes at the factory where they were caught with slaves and refuses to allow human rights groups to inspect.
5. Nike used obvious weasel language in their PR statement about the issue. The fact that they couldn't make more explicit statements to clear up doubts points towards the issue being as bad as one would fear.
6. Nike tries to be the sjw brand.

Not saying other companies are totally innocent, but Nike has been a focus because of the scale of their involvement and their poor response. They are not in the same basket as everyone else.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: michael scarn on September 11, 2020, 10:16:59 PM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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Here are some important differences:
1. They have a much bigger influence over how China operates it's clothing and shoe factories because of the volume produced. They alone can make major changes if they're willing to face China head on.
2. While it's fair to suspect any other company producing shoes/clothes in China has these issues, nike was actually caught red handed with slaves (Quingdao Taekwang factory).
3. Other companies that were caught showed more transparency in dealing with it. They allowed human rights groups to conduct follow up inspections of their facilities and appear to actually want to address the issue.
4. Nike still produces shoes at the factory where they were caught with slaves and refuses to allow human rights groups to inspect.
5. Nike used obvious weasel language in their PR statement about the issue. The fact that they couldn't make more explicit statements to clear up doubts points towards the issue being as bad as one would fear.
6. Nike tries to be the sjw brand.

Not saying other companies are totally innocent, but Nike has been a focus because of the scale of their involvement and their poor response. They are not in the same basket as everyone else.

Hey man, thanks for the education. This is all good information!
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: figureitout on September 12, 2020, 01:35:19 AM
Vans for me.

Anyone heard any gnarly stories about their manufacturing, any non humane practices?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 12, 2020, 01:55:24 AM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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Here are some important differences:
1. They have a much bigger influence over how China operates it's clothing and shoe factories because of the volume produced. They alone can make major changes if they're willing to face China head on.
2. While it's fair to suspect any other company producing shoes/clothes in China has these issues, nike was actually caught red handed with slaves (Quingdao Taekwang factory).
3. Other companies that were caught showed more transparency in dealing with it. They allowed human rights groups to conduct follow up inspections of their facilities and appear to actually want to address the issue.
4. Nike still produces shoes at the factory where they were caught with slaves and refuses to allow human rights groups to inspect.
5. Nike used obvious weasel language in their PR statement about the issue. The fact that they couldn't make more explicit statements to clear up doubts points towards the issue being as bad as one would fear.
6. Nike tries to be the sjw brand.

Not saying other companies are totally innocent, but Nike has been a focus because of the scale of their involvement and their poor response. They are not in the same basket as everyone else.
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Hey man, thanks for the education. This is all good information!

The whole system of sourcing in low cost countries with limited labor rights is fucked and should be made illegal. It is common practice for the majority of large clothing and shoe companies. The main reason they moved their production to these places is not only to safe money but also to avoid being held accountable for the human and environmental costs of their production.
They can always claim: these are independent companies that a enslaving their workers, we would never do that. However if a production company were to say we can‘t produce your shoes for that price and pay our workers a living wage. Nike will replace them in a heartbeat. This current production system is based on exploiting the earth and vulnerable people.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cucktard on September 12, 2020, 02:00:42 AM
Vans for me.

Anyone heard any gnarly stories about their manufacturing, any non humane practices?

How about you use the greatest database of information in the history of man to check it out and get back to us?  Is it important enough to you to spend an hour checking out what goes on your feet rather than porn?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Frank on September 12, 2020, 03:13:45 AM
While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands

https://thegoodshoppingguide.com/subject/shoes-trainers/

nike and converse are the two last placed on this list with scores of 42 and 35 points respectively.

new balance is placed at 7 with a score of 73.

adidas is lower with a score of 65.


https://guide.ethical.org.au/guide/browse/guide/?type=736

nike in the lower field of c ratings, below adidas, reebok, converse and asics(all c-rated as well)


https://thegreenhubonline.com/2019/09/18/how-ethical-and-sustainable-are-your-favourite-sportswear-brands/

more info about nike, adidas and puma


nike and adidas in unethical top 10 in a study

https://www.sports-insight.co.uk/news/nike-adidas-in-unethical-top-10


full pdf presentation of the 2019 ethical fashion report

https://media.business-humanrights.org/media/documents/files/documents/FashionReport_2019_9-April-19-FINAL.pdf

while nike has good grades in the categories "policies" and "transparency", they are at a D- in "worker empowerment"
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 12, 2020, 03:29:06 AM
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Correct. Nike has used slaves and has done as little as possible to cut that shit out. They are scum, and supporting them is unjustifiable. Not a conspiracy theory.
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Slaves built your iPhone. We literally all rely on the slave labor of other human beings, it's become inescapable in our lives. At least Nike isn't raising the prices every year when they sell me the same pair of Blazers over and over again like Apple does with iPhones. Not that Nike isn't total slimebucket corporation.

wait till they find out about the foxconn suicides
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Featherdale wildlife park on September 12, 2020, 03:59:36 AM
He looks like the kinda guy that hit the weights so he didn’t feel scared at the pub where there was Men. I’ve met a few of those 😏
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: arrbee on September 12, 2020, 04:49:38 AM
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Correct. Nike has used slaves and has done as little as possible to cut that shit out. They are scum, and supporting them is unjustifiable. Not a conspiracy theory.
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Slaves built your iPhone. We literally all rely on the slave labor of other human beings, it's become inescapable in our lives. At least Nike isn't raising the prices every year when they sell me the same pair of Blazers over and over again like Apple does with iPhones. Not that Nike isn't total slimebucket corporation.
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wait till they find out about the foxconn suicides

And the lines of thousands of people that turn out to take the position of that one suicide. All to be underpaid and under valued.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Owen on September 12, 2020, 05:01:31 AM
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While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands
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Show me please. I try to keep up on labor standards, and Nike is consistently shit.

Adidas is the only once I’ve seen that approaches decency.

You might want to check out Adidas' operations in Indonesia. I remember reading an article a couple of years ago and it sounded pretty bad.

Disclosure: I own a couple of pairs of Adidas sweat pants
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: stone cold steve austin on September 12, 2020, 05:14:30 AM
Fuck weck and Nike. Simple
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: backside_reacharound on September 12, 2020, 06:05:14 AM
https://hbr.org/2019/08/what-supply-chain-transparency-really-means

Here's a good article that outlines what it would take to have complete control (or at least awareness) of the entire supply chain of your product.

http://manufacturingmap.nikeinc.com/

here's nike site that shows they are at least getting somewhat more involved than they were during the "8 year olds sew your soccer balls" days.

the real problem here is public engagement. nike never would have gotten to this point if they weren't dragged over the coals for all the sweatshop shit years ago.
society has to truly give a shit if things are really going to change. and society over and over and over has shown that in our shitty consumer society CHEAP is the only thing that maters to most buyers. society would take cheap over "ethically sourced with workers paid a living wage" everyday day of the week. shit, people prefer cheap products to anything with actual quality.
if they don't even want to buy a quality version of a product, what are the chances that they'll ever care about a product's supply chain?? 

nike has all the money in the world. the could lock down the entire supply chain and make sure everything was legal, ethical, moral and whatever else.... but they never will because it would hurt the bottom line, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. anything that has been done to make it look like nike cares about their supply chain has been done as a PR tool, not because they give a shit.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 12, 2020, 06:20:03 AM
This infinitely repeating discussion brought to you by the myth of ethical consumption
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: hot take on September 12, 2020, 06:21:10 AM
Aren’t weck and kelly hart talking? Maybe he could get hooked up with some ès? He could at least get flowed some mob too right?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cucktard on September 12, 2020, 06:22:21 AM
https://hbr.org/2019/08/what-supply-chain-transparency-really-means

Here's a good article that outlines what it would take to have complete control (or at least awareness) of the entire supply chain of your product.

http://manufacturingmap.nikeinc.com/

here's nike site that shows they are at least getting somewhat more involved than they were during the "8 year olds sew your soccer balls" days.

the real problem here is public engagement. nike never would have gotten to this point if they weren't dragged over the coals for all the sweatshop shit years ago.
society has to truly give a shit if things are really going to change. and society over and over and over has shown that in our shitty consumer society CHEAP is the only thing that maters to most buyers. society would take cheap over "ethically sourced with workers paid a living wage" everyday day of the week. shit, people prefer cheap products to anything with actual quality.
if they don't even want to buy a quality version of a product, what are the chances that they'll ever care about a product's supply chain?? 

nike has all the money in the world. the could lock down the entire supply chain and make sure everything was legal, ethical, moral and whatever else.... but they never will because it would hurt the bottom line, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. anything that has been done to make it look like nike cares about their supply chain has been done as a PR tool, not because they give a shit.

I feel almost the exact same as you do.

But I’d like to add a few more points.

1- Of course it took consumers having to spend their own time, money, and effort to get people to know about the terrible labor practices.

Nike never had any intent on stopping those practices BECAUSE THE WERE THE ONES THAT DEVELOPED THEM.  They were one the first to lead the charge overseas to exploit impoverished laborers.

2- Youdont really mention why consumers are buying cheap, immorally made products and not knowing/caring about the consequences.

And that’s because capitalism has created such an unequal and dangerously unstable economy that people don’t have much of a choice. They must buy products as cheaply as possible, because medicine, childcare, etc is so unreasonably expensive.
Which in turn creates more of a demand for cheaper shit, which the drives companies to look for even shittier conditions to exploit, until we are at the present: Nike using slave labor.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 12, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
Pretty convenient timing to get mad about this at the same time they stop send him shoes  ::)


I remember another IG live rant he did where he was talking about how he could be a top paid rider on any company he wanted if he didn't keep it "so real", or something to that effect. Almost as delusional as his shitty right wing conspiracy rants he's been going on.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: AssMountain on September 12, 2020, 06:44:56 AM
Its one of those weird moot points, where you hate someone passionately, but agree with everything they're saying.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Parker on September 12, 2020, 07:30:26 AM
How great would it be if we found out that this whole time he was squatting in that house.

it looks like it with the tag on the wall ahahha
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Dwyck on September 12, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
GTs are a great shoe
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JohnBolton on September 12, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.

"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Baswell Cerry on September 12, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
Vans for me.

Anyone heard any gnarly stories about their manufacturing, any non humane practices?

I was full Vans only, but after them pulling TWO artist-made designs that won a design contest featuring support for Taiwan and the HK protestors, i no longer buy vans through stores. However, ill snag them at a goodwill or other 2nd hand stores and then rip off the tags or cut out the heel logo.

Here in America you support what you buy. It comes down to putting your money where your mouth is, or rather, not buying it.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: georgethecat on September 12, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.

Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: urbneathme on September 12, 2020, 09:36:05 AM
is there a better signal that your life is spiraling than indoor spray paint?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Style Police on September 12, 2020, 09:39:46 AM
They stopped sending him shoes obviously. Bet you Stevie made a couple of calls.  ;D
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 12, 2020, 09:50:50 AM
Somewhere out there, Neen and his improperly cooked salmon are laughing.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: HotnSpicyMcChicken on September 12, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
Broken clock, etc. He's not wrong, but these Q psychos only care about social issues like this when there's an ulterior motive at the heart of their disposition. As someone in this thread said, he didn't give a fuck about any of this until he stopped getting shoes.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: blowjobtofakie on September 12, 2020, 09:59:57 AM
Somewhere out there, Neen and his improperly cooked salmon are laughing.

“Kill yourself, there are many ways to get kicked of Nike bro flow.”
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Post by: Abyss1 on September 12, 2020, 10:06:45 AM
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Somewhere out there, Neen and his improperly cooked salmon are laughing.
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“Kill yourself, there are many ways to get kicked of Nike bro flow.”

We at SHALOMLOMLAMON hereby cancel our sponsorship contract...he hope the best for you and your future endeavors
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: C.J. Gap on September 12, 2020, 10:12:09 AM
Weck on Cariuma confirmed
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 12, 2020, 10:57:35 AM
I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: os89 on September 12, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyT82Ke04ZM
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: fang on September 12, 2020, 11:10:00 AM
Could see Weck on crocs
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Watitdo on September 12, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
This dude is so fucking lame, #weckgate
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Dopethrone on September 12, 2020, 11:50:43 AM
"i didn't get dumped YOU GOT DUMPED!!!!"

I agree with this! Nike dropped him and hes just trying to be the alpha in the situation
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: rusty knees on September 12, 2020, 11:59:25 AM
he's lucky his 'personality' has got him this far anyway

never woulda got spons'd if there was no social media
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: KingSharkIsAShark on September 12, 2020, 12:03:31 PM
This isn't going to stop people from Nike. We all know Nike is here for the money. Weck's video is in vain. The people that should be called out are the Pros who ride for them. Primarily the ones who first started this. I'm looking at you PRod. He's so lucky he's the GOAT or else I would've banned him years ago
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JohnBolton on September 12, 2020, 12:36:44 PM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.

no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: augustmoon on September 12, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
lol dude was all about Nike when they were giving him free shit. 
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Post by: nicotinewheel on September 12, 2020, 01:17:14 PM
John Bolton speaking facts
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Post by: Hombreezy on September 12, 2020, 01:27:31 PM
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"i didn't get dumped YOU GOT DUMPED!!!!"
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I agree with this! Nike dropped him and hes just trying to be the alpha in the situation
“Hey bro I heard she broke up with you”
“Nah, she’s broke. I’m up”
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Coldpizza on September 12, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
He doesn’t give a shit. All these fucking red pill/QAnon idiots will use any means to justify their shitty narrow selfish ideologies. Is the topic he brought up a huge issue? No doubt. But if Weck actually gives 2 shits I’ll eat my hat (100% nylon made in China™️)
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: trashparty on September 12, 2020, 06:58:04 PM
post deleted. anyone got screen shots?

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: TwisT on September 12, 2020, 07:00:55 PM
He doesn’t give a shit. All these fucking red pill/QAnon idiots will use any means to justify their shitty narrow selfish ideologies. Is the topic he brought up a huge issue? No doubt. But if Weck actually gives 2 shits I’ll eat my hat (100% nylon made in China™️)

This guy gets it.
Weck doesn’t Really give a fuck about the Chinese people
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: michael scarn on September 12, 2020, 07:18:00 PM
Wecks kookin it for attention. Sure he's done that for a while but that shit with Tony hawk on his story is fucking dumb and just a cry for attention.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: os89 on September 12, 2020, 07:22:13 PM
Wecks cooking it.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: lovermangenius on September 12, 2020, 08:10:12 PM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
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no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.

Shit man, it's not like you have to take the western media's word for it, the CCP has openly acknowledged the existence of the re-education camps for a while now. They obviously dispute the specifics of what is going on there but if rounding up ethnic minorities and throwing them into any kind of camp isn't past your threshold of acceptability that's on you.

I get the impulse to be wary of these types of claims but the situation in China is well documented. It obviously is troubling when people try to use humanitarian issues to foment further conflict or minimize domestic human rights issues but that doesn't change the facts. If you think there is any desire in the west for a war with China you're out of your mind.

You can make blanket statements about the "media" all you want but you'd be hard pressed to find any respected China scholar who denies what 's going on in Xinjiang right now. There is extensive satellite evidence of the construction of camps, videos from inside the camps, and numerous testimonies from people who have been imprisoned there.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Trashcon on September 12, 2020, 08:31:21 PM
Didn't know dude had "sponsors."
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: augustmoon on September 12, 2020, 08:46:37 PM
Lol I posted a comment and the dude sent me like a dozen dms defending himself.  I’m supposed to believe that the guy that was manically ranting about antisemetic conspiracy theories all of a sudden cares about human rights. 

Dude got dropped for his unhinged rants and he made up this crusade to hide his ego
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Digital Rasta on September 12, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
I wonder where exactly he thinks the phone he is yelling into was made?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: xX_420_Blaze_It_Xx on September 12, 2020, 10:34:36 PM
His post was not deleted. Nike is an unethical company. So is vans and all the other core companies. Nike still makes better shoes than most shoe companies. Can I say fuck Nike but still wear them? Why not we are all dying in the year 2021 anyways. Shits. Is. Not. Looking. Bright
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: fredgallSOTY on September 12, 2020, 10:40:47 PM
John Bolton speaking facts
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: radcunt on September 13, 2020, 01:06:38 AM
Everyone's dropping the maniac because conpiracy theories and Qanon aint good for biz just yet.  Good.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: SlapRhaters on September 13, 2020, 03:04:12 AM
I here now will sadly admit that i've been skating Nike's for the past year. My toes have been getting sore from years of skating and Nikes are the only ones i can skate in without pain and not messing up my skating, they literally hug my toes . Go ahead hate me, i already hate myself as i avoided Nike for over a decade.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: goldenbullcow on September 13, 2020, 07:15:54 AM
Where was his outrage when he was riding for the
 ?  Did he just find out now that the shoes are made in China and decide to “quit”... give me a break
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Meekin on September 13, 2020, 07:22:02 AM
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"i didn't get dumped YOU GOT DUMPED!!!!"
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I agree with this! Nike dropped him and hes just trying to be the alpha in the situation
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“Hey bro I heard she broke up with you”
“Nah, she’s broke. I’m up”
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: iNeverSkated on September 13, 2020, 07:36:46 AM
And he's back to private again. How soon until he starts an Onlyfans by the way?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Technique on September 13, 2020, 08:34:38 AM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
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no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.

Oh yeah, and Stalinist repressions were an info war against the USSR, right? Solzhenitsyn was a CIA agent? Lol. Fucking bitch. You stand for nothing.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: shannamal on September 13, 2020, 09:05:42 AM
dude, his names john bolton. he's obviously a troll, put him on ignore and stop feeding him
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 13, 2020, 01:30:57 PM
So if you believe millions are in concentration camps, seems like what Nike does is beside the point. Time for a US led humanitarian intervention? They have all the evidence right?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Hevonen on September 13, 2020, 01:43:56 PM
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https://hbr.org/2019/08/what-supply-chain-transparency-really-means

Here's a good article that outlines what it would take to have complete control (or at least awareness) of the entire supply chain of your product.

http://manufacturingmap.nikeinc.com/

here's nike site that shows they are at least getting somewhat more involved than they were during the "8 year olds sew your soccer balls" days.

the real problem here is public engagement. nike never would have gotten to this point if they weren't dragged over the coals for all the sweatshop shit years ago.
society has to truly give a shit if things are really going to change. and society over and over and over has shown that in our shitty consumer society CHEAP is the only thing that maters to most buyers. society would take cheap over "ethically sourced with workers paid a living wage" everyday day of the week. shit, people prefer cheap products to anything with actual quality.
if they don't even want to buy a quality version of a product, what are the chances that they'll ever care about a product's supply chain?? 

nike has all the money in the world. the could lock down the entire supply chain and make sure everything was legal, ethical, moral and whatever else.... but they never will because it would hurt the bottom line, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. anything that has been done to make it look like nike cares about their supply chain has been done as a PR tool, not because they give a shit.
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I feel almost the exact same as you do.

But I’d like to add a few more points.

1- Of course it took consumers having to spend their own time, money, and effort to get people to know about the terrible labor practices.

Nike never had any intent on stopping those practices BECAUSE THE WERE THE ONES THAT DEVELOPED THEM.  They were one the first to lead the charge overseas to exploit impoverished laborers.

2- Youdont really mention why consumers are buying cheap, immorally made products and not knowing/caring about the consequences.

And that’s because capitalism has created such an unequal and dangerously unstable economy that people don’t have much of a choice. They must buy products as cheaply as possible, because medicine, childcare, etc is so unreasonably expensive.
Which in turn creates more of a demand for cheaper shit, which the drives companies to look for even shittier conditions to exploit, until we are at the present: Nike using slave labor.

I disagree with that. Most people could easily get by while consuming much less. People have an endless need for more shit so they maximize their consumption by going for the cheaper option if available.

The reason why people keep buying Nike is because the idea of a group of people, most arent even aware of, being enslaved on the other side of the world in a country with totally different culture, is so foreign and so far outside of peoples own little bubbles that it doesnt really register as a part of their reality.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Owen on September 13, 2020, 09:05:50 PM
So if you believe millions are in concentration camps, seems like what Nike does is beside the point. Time for a US led humanitarian intervention? They have all the evidence right?

I don't know if it's a matter of whether you believe it or not, China have more or less admitted it stating that they're re-education centres designed to increase allegiance to the Chinese government and reduce the Islamisation of the region.
One man's re-education centre is another man's concentration camp...
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cucktard on September 13, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
So if you believe millions are in concentration camps, seems like what Nike does is beside the point. Time for a US led humanitarian intervention? They have all the evidence right?

Since when did the US start intervening for Humanitarian reasons? It won’t even intervene in its own humanitarian crisises.

People who think that the US is trying to propagandize us into a war with China somehow means all bad new about China is fake needs to check their ideological priorities

All governments are fucked to some degree, and almost always the more powerful they are, the more fucked up they are in they way they try to maintain and expand that power.

The ‘US’ (not really, mostly humanitarian orgs trying to shine a light in the subject) criticizing China is no less valid that Chinese propaganda vilifying the US for things like Flint, Michigan and systematic racism.

Real warmongering propaganda is much less subtle, or truthful. It’s kind of easy to spot, like the old WMD ruse in the invasion of Iraq. That was so blatantly obvious, as we’re the intentions.

This is not.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JohnBolton on September 14, 2020, 02:55:11 AM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
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no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.
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Oh yeah, and Stalinist repressions were an info war against the USSR, right? Solzhenitsyn was a CIA agent? Lol. Fucking bitch. You stand for nothing.

funny you mentions Solzhenitsyn as that is a great analogy for what we're talking about. Solzhenitsyn was a wannabe cosplay of a great Russian writer but his mediocrity led him to resort finding his hype for working as an ideological PR rep of the citadel of democracy aka the USA.
Since unlike Leo Tolstoy or Dostoevsky that were writing about things they experienced he just stooped to fabricating myths and scoundrelism about anything to do with the Soviet Union for which he was of course the only soviet writer awarded the very unbiased nobel prize.
Not saying that the repressions never existed, read some Shalamov if you want first hand account of the horrors of the gulags, not someone who was a kgb snitch in the gulag (oh they don't tell that part?).
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Copthorne14 on September 14, 2020, 03:09:44 AM
Fucking tankies man...
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: backside_reacharound on September 14, 2020, 03:10:53 AM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
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no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.
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Oh yeah, and Stalinist repressions were an info war against the USSR, right? Solzhenitsyn was a CIA agent? Lol. Fucking bitch. You stand for nothing.
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funny you mentions Solzhenitsyn as that is a great analogy for what we're talking about. Solzhenitsyn was a wannabe cosplay of a great Russian writer but his mediocrity led him to resort finding his hype for working as an ideological PR rep of the citadel of democracy aka the USA.
Since unlike Leo Tolstoy or Dostoevsky that were writing about things they experienced he just stooped to fabricating myths and scoundrelism about anything to do with the Soviet Union for which he was of course the only soviet writer awarded the very unbiased nobel prize.
Not saying that the repressions never existed, read some Shalamov if you want first hand account of the horrors of the gulags, not someone who was a kgb snitch in the gulag (oh they don't tell that part?).

The level of retardation here is truly astounding.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 14, 2020, 03:24:06 AM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
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no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.
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Oh yeah, and Stalinist repressions were an info war against the USSR, right? Solzhenitsyn was a CIA agent? Lol. Fucking bitch. You stand for nothing.
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funny you mentions Solzhenitsyn as that is a great analogy for what we're talking about. Solzhenitsyn was a wannabe cosplay of a great Russian writer but his mediocrity led him to resort finding his hype for working as an ideological PR rep of the citadel of democracy aka the USA.
Since unlike Leo Tolstoy or Dostoevsky that were writing about things they experienced he just stooped to fabricating myths and scoundrelism about anything to do with the Soviet Union for which he was of course the only soviet writer awarded the very unbiased nobel prize.
Not saying that the repressions never existed, read some Shalamov if you want first hand account of the horrors of the gulags, not someone who was a kgb snitch in the gulag (oh they don't tell that part?).
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The level of retardation here is truly astounding.

Lol

Which one is the retard?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JohnBolton on September 14, 2020, 03:28:12 AM
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So if you believe millions are in concentration camps, seems like what Nike does is beside the point. Time for a US led humanitarian intervention? They have all the evidence right?
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Since when did the US start intervening for Humanitarian reasons? It won’t even intervene in its own humanitarian crisises.

People who think that the US is trying to propagandize us into a war with China somehow means all bad new about China is fake needs to check their ideological priorities

All governments are fucked to some degree, and almost always the more powerful they are, the more fucked up they are in they way they try to maintain and expand that power.

The ‘US’ (not really, mostly humanitarian orgs trying to shine a light in the subject) criticizing China is no less valid that Chinese propaganda vilifying the US for things like Flint, Michigan and systematic racism.

Real warmongering propaganda is much less subtle, or truthful. It’s kind of easy to spot, like the old WMD ruse in the invasion of Iraq. That was so blatantly obvious, as we’re the intentions.

This is not.

 "War Enocomy is the continuation of politics by different means."
Carl von Clausewitz (contemporized)

You might have heard something about a trade war.

you're right about the fundamental goal of all politics being expansion. and yes I don't share the hypocritical ideology of mobster world domination masked under beautiful words like democracy and freedom. and most humanitarian organizations are political instruments of their funders. My point is people are so manipulative and repeat any bullshit accusation the US media puts forth even without any evidence or tribunal procedure. There used to be a term for this called yellow journalism but now it's just routine that everything is clear and the guilty is decided a second after something happens, so I've decided to not believe anything they say anymore in regard to foreign affairs because this info war algorithm never changes.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 14, 2020, 04:30:28 AM
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People who think that the US is trying to propagandize us into a war with China somehow means all bad new about China is fake needs to check their ideological priorities
Who’s saying all bad news about China is fake?

Look up where the “millions” in camps number came from; if you think extrapolating numbers from eight individual interviews or sourcing a report solely from the work of a person who’s stated they are on a mission from Christian God to save China is proper methodology-ok. I’m no expert on Flynt but I think the evidence is a bit more clear.

It’s not just the US interested in humanitarian premised lawfare/warfare.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Skateboard Shuffle on September 14, 2020, 07:41:05 AM
I could see him on Consolidated.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Digital Rasta on September 14, 2020, 07:47:56 AM
Getting puke all over his BS Drunks. Man what a stupid idea that was
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 14, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
This isn't going to stop people from Nike. We all know Nike is here for the money. Weck's video is in vain. The people that should be called out are the Pros who ride for them. Primarily the ones who first started this. I'm looking at you PRod. He's so lucky he's the GOAT or else I would've banned him years ago

I banned PRod after he made the Nike jump...screw that Christian loving mountain dew wearing trend setter
Without PRod jumping ship Nike would have never been able to dominate the skateboard shoe industry:

2004 was significant because during this year Nike SB added skateboarder Paul Rodriguez Jr. to its already outstanding roster of professional skateboarders. Paul Rodriguez signed a multi-million dollar contract with Nike and became the first skateboarder to receive a signature shoe from the company a year later in 2005, called the Nike SB P-Rod. Upon receiving this honor, P-Rod (as most call him) also became the first Mexican-American athlete to have his own signature shoe with Nike (According to Mr. Imamura, “We don’t give out signature shoes to many people. We were looking for someone with a 12 stature like Paul, in terms of his ability, reputation, and track record. He’s someone who can really carry a signature shoe.”

https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=ms_thesis
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ndsr on September 14, 2020, 11:32:29 AM
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This isn't going to stop people from Nike. We all know Nike is here for the money. Weck's video is in vain. The people that should be called out are the Pros who ride for them. Primarily the ones who first started this. I'm looking at you PRod. He's so lucky he's the GOAT or else I would've banned him years ago
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I banned PRod after he made the Nike jump...screw that Christian loving mountain dew wearing trend setter
Without PRod jumping ship Nike would have never been able to dominate the skateboard shoe industry:

2004 was significant because during this year Nike SB added skateboarder Paul Rodriguez Jr. to its already outstanding roster of professional skateboarders. Paul Rodriguez signed a multi-million dollar contract with Nike and became the first skateboarder to receive a signature shoe from the company a year later in 2005, called the Nike SB P-Rod. Upon receiving this honor, P-Rod (as most call him) also became the first Mexican-American athlete to have his own signature shoe with Nike (According to Mr. Imamura, “We don’t give out signature shoes to many people. We were looking for someone with a 12 stature like Paul, in terms of his ability, reputation, and track record. He’s someone who can really carry a signature shoe.”

https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=ms_thesis
The silver lining for the Nike hater I am is that he’s never had the best selling shoe in the line ever
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 14, 2020, 03:35:26 PM
I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ndsr on September 14, 2020, 07:34:21 PM
I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.
What sort of terribly harmful acts against humanity are you committing that are worse than supporting slave labor?  Asking as a concerned communist
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 14, 2020, 07:39:01 PM
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I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.
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What sort of terribly harmful acts against humanity are you committing that are worse than supporting slave labor?  Asking as a concerned communist

I conduct dozens of acts of capitalism and consumption that have a long and dirty supply chain, every single day. We all do. It's why no real leftist believes in boycotts as solutions. Strikes work. Worker uprisings work. Boycotts are liberal bullshit. Why? Capitalists simply amend what theyre doing as little as possible to get away with as much as possible and placate consumers. The problem? They're still consuming. Only workers will ever make any demonstrable change. But that day is coming.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Digital Rasta on September 14, 2020, 07:42:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Technique on September 14, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.
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Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.
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no, I'm saying weck and the dude that thinks what he said was 100 per cent true, heard that shit about china from news media, same media that constantly lies about counties to start conflicts. they did roughly the same thing 20 years ago before destroying Yugoslavia. big fake about concentration camps that was on the cover of time magazine and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llUiUfSDkQ
USA always plans a war and then thinks of a reason to start it. sadly 9/11 was the best thing that happened to US government, giving them carte blanche to spy on and bomb everyone they want.

also some major ones: Vietnam war, false flag resulted in the deaths Vietnamese of 5 million civilians, Iraqs WMDs.

does china have a population that are ethnically Chinese but due to some historical events now follow Islam, yes. Are there groups of extremist kind that the Chinese government are repressing, yes. the whole millions of Muslims in concentration camps is gross exaggeration and info war against china.
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Oh yeah, and Stalinist repressions were an info war against the USSR, right? Solzhenitsyn was a CIA agent? Lol. Fucking bitch. You stand for nothing.
[close]

funny you mentions Solzhenitsyn as that is a great analogy for what we're talking about. Solzhenitsyn was a wannabe cosplay of a great Russian writer but his mediocrity led him to resort finding his hype for working as an ideological PR rep of the citadel of democracy aka the USA.
Since unlike Leo Tolstoy or Dostoevsky that were writing about things they experienced he just stooped to fabricating myths and scoundrelism about anything to do with the Soviet Union for which he was of course the only soviet writer awarded the very unbiased nobel prize.
Not saying that the repressions never existed, read some Shalamov if you want first hand account of the horrors of the gulags, not someone who was a kgb snitch in the gulag (oh they don't tell that part?).
Good job completely ignoring my question, and also ignoring me in another thread, you cuck. So foreign interventions are bad, but domestic repressions are ok somehow? How do you justify that? Just admit that you’re a spineless hypocrite and leave this forum already.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 15, 2020, 01:48:09 AM
I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.

Hey comrade, are you using our noble cause as a base for your cynicism?

Marx would never buy Nike SB!
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Gbeerme on September 15, 2020, 02:04:14 AM
Trumps team passed an import ban Monday the 14th on certain forced labor items. No mention of Nike in the article but a lot of mentions in the comments

 https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-bans-chinese-products-forced-labor (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-bans-chinese-products-forced-labor)
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Thomas on September 15, 2020, 02:13:04 AM
I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.

Everyone does it so that's OK  ::)
Let's all be sheep and do whatever everyones doing even if we know it's bad.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 15, 2020, 04:59:03 AM
I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.

You must be very proud, ma’am.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 15, 2020, 05:30:27 AM
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I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.
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What sort of terribly harmful acts against humanity are you committing that are worse than supporting slave labor?  Asking as a concerned communist
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I conduct dozens of acts of capitalism and consumption that have a long and dirty supply chain, every single day. We all do. It's why no real leftist believes in boycotts as solutions. Strikes work. Worker uprisings work. Boycotts are liberal bullshit. Why? Capitalists simply amend what theyre doing as little as possible to get away with as much as possible and placate consumers. The problem? They're still consuming. Only workers will ever make any demonstrable change. But that day is coming.

This is the most narrow minded line of thought I've read in a long time. Applying moral absolutism - that all actions are either right or wrong - shouldn't be applied to consumerism as a whole, but as isolated events or actions of these companies. No one or nothing is perfect to a full extent, but the goal is to strive towards perfection and take necessary steps towards achieving a state of as close to ethical perfection as possible.

With that said, it's a spectrum and the best we can do is make the best choices from what's available to us and weigh our options closely before doing so. Boycotting makes a difference in the same way voting makes a difference - is it not worth doing since you can't change everything by yourself at once? It's corny, but change starts with a single step and if we all take responsibility then change will come.

You don't sound "old and smart", it sounds like you gave up.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: matty_c on September 15, 2020, 05:43:34 AM
He’s saying to pick your battles man
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 15, 2020, 05:46:09 AM
Voting only makes a difference in a democracy. The global market is not democratic.

Boycotts refine/refocus worker exploitation, it’s a feature of the system not a bug.



Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ok boomer on September 15, 2020, 07:17:29 AM
I could see Weck on Sperry
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 09:06:57 AM
He’s saying to pick your battles man

Enlightened mind.

Marx didnt say do everything all the time.

Marx said do what matters and that power structures are only dismantled in certain, specific ways. Returning power to Labor is that way.

I didn't give up. Far from it. I don't make money from capitalists, in fact I bleed them for the kind of work I do, which is serving the community.

The first question anyone should ask themselves is what kind of labor they do, who benefits from that labor, and what is the value of that labor to someone else.

Plenty of people chiming in to call me on this or say I'm old or have given up are slinging corporate jobs making someone else rich. The real moral shitshake is the person who does that and then chastises someone else for buying shoes when we've been stripped of moral choices by the kind of people you're currently making money for.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 09:08:23 AM
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I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.
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Hey comrade, are you using our noble cause as a base for your cynicism?

Marx would never buy Nike SB!

You sound like a tankie rightie saying "if you're a socialist why are you using an iphone???"

-sent from my iPhone
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 09:09:11 AM
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You must be very proud, ma’am.

No it's the opposite. which would have been easily inferred if you read the rest of what I said and thought about it for say, 11-13 seconds.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 09:11:57 AM
This is the most narrow minded line of thought I've read in a long time. Applying moral absolutism - that all actions are either right or wrong - shouldn't be applied to consumerism as a whole, but as isolated events or actions of these companies. No one or nothing is perfect to a full extent, but the goal is to strive towards perfection and take necessary steps towards achieving a state of as close to ethical perfection as possible.

LOL at "good capitalism" arguments. There is no such thing my dude. Sorry.


Socialism and Left politics are absolutely moral issues at their core. It's a cause rooted in caring for another person which you do not know, which is the highest form of morality. Marx and Engels knew it. Even people like Sartre knew it. Why do you think the Right is so afraid of a leftist world? They'll be forced to incorporate basic morals and values we're taught as children, like empathy.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 15, 2020, 09:25:57 AM
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You must be very proud, ma’am.
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No it's the opposite. which would have been easily inferred if you read the rest of what I said and thought about it for say, 11-13 seconds.

I understood, I was just being an ass. I was also interested to see if anybody would read it in the voice of the guard at the Air Force base in that episode of the Simpsons where Sideshow Bob wanted to blow up Springfield.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: slutonparade on September 15, 2020, 09:44:21 AM
Wooooof

Y'all better not look up how cobalt is mined for the lithium ion batteries you have in all of your devices...
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
Wooooof

Y'all better not look up how cobalt is mined for the lithium ion batteries you have in all of your devices...

Exactly. This encapsulates many of my points entirely.

Liberals love to show off their Teslas and tout them as saving the environment. You simply shifted capital from one bad actor to another. Both destroying the world for profit. But hey, at least you feel better right?

Same fuckin argument with Nike's score on some arbitrary "ethical" rating system vs. New Balance (whose principal founder is a massive Trump supporter, btw). Shifting capital around to various companies and ensuring they all employ powerless workers means next to nothing but symbolic gestures. It's as hollow as anything else.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Dwyck on September 15, 2020, 10:27:12 AM
Like, "carbon footprint" was an op to make people blame themselves for shit oil companies do. You buy a pair of nikes, you get a really good shoe to skate but you 'support' something bad or whatever. or you don't buy nikes, nothing changes, nike continues to exist and exploit labor overseas, you pat yourself on the back, and your dinky emericas made in similar conditions overseas fall apart in two weeks
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Frank on September 15, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
Like, "carbon footprint" was an op to make people blame themselves for shit oil companies do. You buy a pair of nikes, you get a really good shoe to skate but you 'support' something bad or whatever. or you don't buy nikes, nothing changes, nike continues to exist and exploit labor overseas, you pat yourself on the back, and your dinky emericas made in similar conditions overseas fall apart in two weeks

but they core, bro!

true skaters wouldn't exploit kids for profit.

nike is corpo jocks. sole tech factories are paradise. i heard it's like working for willy wonka, but the factory fumes hit a bit different.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: augustmoon on September 15, 2020, 10:57:14 AM
unpopular opinion:  buying a well made shoe that lasts twice as long as some payless grade "core" brand, whose shoes are most likely made under even worse conditions, is actually less wasteful and the better choice environmentally. 

skateboarding is an industry based on waste and extreme consumption.  if you think you're in any way acting ethically, you're kidding yourself.  maybe if we switched to carbon fiber boards that last a couple years and indestructable shoes, but none of us want to do that (myself included)
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: El Chupacabra on September 15, 2020, 11:06:30 AM
Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 11:08:05 AM
Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.

Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Style Police on September 15, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
Podcast appearance by the Weck. Host seems like a piece of work.

https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1305675029711970309?s=20

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 15, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
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Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!

Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 11:31:59 AM
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Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
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Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead


Nope, try again. I have a day job. the teaching is a side hustle. no PhD and zero interest in ever being a full time prof or achieving tenure.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: TwisT on September 15, 2020, 11:32:44 AM
Podcast appearance by the Weck. Host seems like a piece of work.

https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1305675029711970309?s=20

spent 2 years being a joke, and is now hating on Man Ramp for doing the same thing and getting paid by thrasher for it.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Glurmpz on September 15, 2020, 11:35:10 AM
Nike hype is just that, hype.

A quick review of two comparable shoes I purchased - Nike Check Solarsoft vs Emerica Reynolds Low Vulc.
The Nikes were too floppy right out of the box, shit flick, tongue kept sliding way off to the side. Hated them. Only skated once because of it.
The Reynolds were great right out of the box, but not floppy. Skated them for a bit over a month and then retired them to keep as shoes for yard work etc because they still have so much life left in them.

So yeah, not buying the Nike hype.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 15, 2020, 11:35:30 AM
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Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
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Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead
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Nope, try again. I have a day job. the teaching is a side hustle. no PhD and zero interest in ever being a full time prof or achieving tenure.

I'd love to see you espousing Das Kapital to your students while they stare at their phone. Post a picture of you in your tweed jacket
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 15, 2020, 11:43:26 AM
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I'm old and smart and have read Kapital a bunch of times and completely believe in the eventuality of fully-automated luxury communism and a lot of you are dipshits. Sorry comrades, it's just funny being a pragmatic Marxist sometimes then come here to read critiques about shoes made in Asian countries.

If you think any shoe made overseas doesnt have labors blood on it youre out of your mind. They are all dirty and will remain dirty. Best solution? Make your own shoes or stop wearing them entirely.

Eventual Labor uprisings are the only thing that will solve these concerns. Boycotts are pointless.

I also just bought a pair of GT's today, happily and without guilt or regret. I guarantee there are 50 things I do on an average day more harmful to humanity than that.
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Hey comrade, are you using our noble cause as a base for your cynicism?

Marx would never buy Nike SB!
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You sound like a tankie rightie saying "if you're a socialist why are you using an iphone???"

-sent from my iPhone

so a rightie would identify as marxist? Please, Don't use that cynic arguement: Everything is fucked so why do anything, unless we can change the whole system... Are you out organizing workers? That is actually kind of an honest question. I am a member of a union and I have even heard your kind of arguement against being a member of a union: Why should I join a union? Within the current system they are only making small changes so in the end unions just work to prevent any meaningful change from happening.

Whatever, I don't disagree with most things you write. Other than: Fuck Nike SB and not just because of labor issues!



Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: os89 on September 15, 2020, 11:43:45 AM
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Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
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Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead
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Nope, try again. I have a day job. the teaching is a side hustle. no PhD and zero interest in ever being a full time prof or achieving tenure.
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I'd love to see you espousing Das Kapital to your students while they stare at their phone. Post a picture of you in your tweed jacket

Boys, boys. Now settle down y'all, its almost nap time.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Dwyck on September 15, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
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Goddamn, watching you guys try to intellectual dick measure is like walking into Philosophy 101 at the local junior college.
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
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Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead

Bigdave: All labor is exploited by capital
You: Ha! Youre also exploited at your job. I am smart
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 12:49:41 PM
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
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Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead
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Bigdave: All labor is exploited by capital
You: Ha! Youre also exploited at your job. I am smart

I mean its literally the truth.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 12:50:39 PM
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Oh, no! I teach at a University. Two of them!
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Cool so your just as dumb as the rest of us. Your in the the adjunct professor hell because the idea of tenure has become a pipe dream.

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/stuck-adjunct-hell

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/just-visiting/tenure-already-dead
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Nope, try again. I have a day job. the teaching is a side hustle. no PhD and zero interest in ever being a full time prof or achieving tenure.
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I'd love to see you espousing Das Kapital to your students while they stare at their phone. Post a picture of you in your tweed jacket

Haha I do not teach anything involving econ or Pol Sci. Closest thing would be sociology, which is deeply embedded into both Kapital and CM.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: El Chupacabra on September 15, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
I'm glad you're using your valuable time to let us know how unbelievably qualified you are to tell us whats up.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Sick_McCrank_ on September 15, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
WTF is going on in This thread?!
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 15, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
I'm glad you're using your valuable time to let us know how unbelievably qualified you are to tell us whats up.

Im not even trying to do that. Im not that qualified. I know just enough to know the debate over "which slave labor is less offensive" is a fucking waste of time and the battleground of shitty centrist liberals.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ihatejulio on September 15, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 15, 2020, 02:55:48 PM
The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?

Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Atiba Applebum on September 15, 2020, 02:57:21 PM
I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple

Sheep flock
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ihatejulio on September 15, 2020, 03:15:55 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.

You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them? To me, if these core companies gave an actual shit in supporting the vastly diverse modern skate scene then it would care more about supporting those within our little world that deserve to be recognized.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 15, 2020, 03:48:18 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them? To me, if these core companies gave an actual shit in supporting the vastly diverse modern skate scene then it would care more about supporting those within our little world that deserve to be recognized.

Like I said core companies are not perfect and they could do more. They have also way less money to spend.

Yes i think it is great that Elissa and Lance get paid still. Does Ellisa actually get paid? I shut hope so.
It is part of Nike’s current overall marketing strategy to get involved in women’s rights and lgbtq+ issues, which is great I guess. It Is still at its core a marketing scheme and they will stop doing These things right away if they see it to be bad or unnecessary for the value of their brand.


Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: roomservice on September 15, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them?
Cuz people like to nitpick details to fit their narrative.

Here are a few counterpoints to criticisms of Nike:
1. Nike took the LA courthouse, previously an unskateable spot/bust, and essentially made it a skatepark, which helps keeps kids busy and out of trouble. They also had a perfect opportunity to plaster the nike sb logo everywhere there, but guess what? They didn't
2. Vans threatened to kick Alex Olson off for moving from California to New York.
3. If you're a shoe company that doesn't plan on using cheap labor from overseas, good luck selling a $200 skate shoe, and hope for a goddamn miracle if you want to make a profit.
4. Crailtap threatens to kick people off girl/chocolate if they leave Lakai
5. Emerica heavily underpaid Reynolds until Chad Muska offered him 2-3x pay on Circa.
6. Nike helped out with Malto's ankle injury and stuck by him through his recovery
7. Don't know the details but John Fitzgerald has been hurt for a while now and he's still on the team page so it can be assumed he's still being supported by them
8. They actually followed Stefan Janoski's vision for a shoe

Business is business. It's just "cool" to hate on Nike because they are the most successful at it. Emerica/Lakai/State all want to make a profit too. Some business decisions look scummy, others look virtuous.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ihatejulio on September 15, 2020, 04:30:42 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them? To me, if these core companies gave an actual shit in supporting the vastly diverse modern skate scene then it would care more about supporting those within our little world that deserve to be recognized.
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Like I said core companies are not perfect and they could do more. They have also way less money to spend.

Yes i think it is great that Elissa and Lance get paid still. Does Ellisa actually get paid? I shut hope so.
It is part of Nike’s current overall marketing strategy to get involved in women’s rights and lgbtq+ issues, which is great I guess. It Is still at its core a marketing scheme and they will stop doing These things right away if they see it to be bad or unnecessary for the value of their brand.

You literally just described what actually happened to Etnies women's program with that sentence. Also, there isn't a chance in hell Nike will step back on supporting women's and LGBTQ+ skaters in the future. Absolutely none. If core companies gave a damn about supporting women or LGBTQ+ skaters then maybe they should, oh I don't know, actually fucking support them. Like, how weird and incompetent is it that every last small shoe brand doesn't currently have a single woman on any of their team pages? But hey, let's just sponsor 12 cookie cutter bros from Long Beach wearing condom beanies and cuffed dickies. Give me a fucking break.

If it's part of Nike's marketing scheme to sponsor women and LGBTQ+ skaters to appear virtuous then so be it. What actual real-world consequences arise from that? More women and LGBTQ+ skaters being supported and newcomers seeing themselves represented within the overall skate world? Oh, the humanity!
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Glurmpz on September 15, 2020, 06:19:07 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them?
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Cuz people like to nitpick details to fit their narrative.

Here are a few counterpoints to criticisms of Nike:
1. Nike took the LA courthouse, previously an unskateable spot/bust, and essentially made it a skatepark, which helps keeps kids busy and out of trouble. They also had a perfect opportunity to plaster the nike sb logo everywhere there, but guess what? They didn't


^That's not actually the case. There were skaters actively working towards that for a long time and Nike helped out by doing an event and donating some cash, from what I remember. Sadly people seem to give Nike all the credit as if they just came in throwing money around and the city gave them the spot.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Owen on September 15, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them?
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Cuz people like to nitpick details to fit their narrative.

Here are a few counterpoints to criticisms of Nike:
1. Nike took the LA courthouse, previously an unskateable spot/bust, and essentially made it a skatepark, which helps keeps kids busy and out of trouble. They also had a perfect opportunity to plaster the nike sb logo everywhere there, but guess what? They didn't
2. Vans threatened to kick Alex Olson off for moving from California to New York.
3. If you're a shoe company that doesn't plan on using cheap labor from overseas, good luck selling a $200 skate shoe, and hope for a goddamn miracle if you want to make a profit.
4. Crailtap threatens to kick people off girl/chocolate if they leave Lakai
5. Emerica heavily underpaid Reynolds until Chad Muska offered him 2-3x pay on Circa.
6. Nike helped out with Malto's ankle injury and stuck by him through his recovery
7. Don't know the details but John Fitzgerald has been hurt for a while now and he's still on the team page so it can be assumed he's still being supported by them
8. They actually followed Stefan Janoski's vision for a shoe

Business is business. It's just "cool" to hate on Nike because they are the most successful at it. Emerica/Lakai/State all want to make a profit too. Some business decisions look scummy, others look virtuous.

You've highlighted some good things about Nike and some bad things about skate footwear brands however in most cases the penny swings both ways.

Nike dogged Corey Kennedy when things got hot (kind of expected from a corporate perspective but crail has managed to stand by him).

Nike dogged Peter Hewitt when things got shitty.

Nike purchased the Janoski name so they didnt have to pay him royalties.

From my understanding of the story, Emerica weren't necessarily under paying Reynolds, Muska just helped him negotiate a better deal.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: lilboosie on September 15, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
so what you’re saying is muska was the “ “ negotiating his deals ?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Glurmpz on September 15, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them?
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Cuz people like to nitpick details to fit their narrative.

Here are a few counterpoints to criticisms of Nike:
1. Nike took the LA courthouse, previously an unskateable spot/bust, and essentially made it a skatepark, which helps keeps kids busy and out of trouble. They also had a perfect opportunity to plaster the nike sb logo everywhere there, but guess what? They didn't
2. Vans threatened to kick Alex Olson off for moving from California to New York.
3. If you're a shoe company that doesn't plan on using cheap labor from overseas, good luck selling a $200 skate shoe, and hope for a goddamn miracle if you want to make a profit.
4. Crailtap threatens to kick people off girl/chocolate if they leave Lakai
5. Emerica heavily underpaid Reynolds until Chad Muska offered him 2-3x pay on Circa.
6. Nike helped out with Malto's ankle injury and stuck by him through his recovery
7. Don't know the details but John Fitzgerald has been hurt for a while now and he's still on the team page so it can be assumed he's still being supported by them
8. They actually followed Stefan Janoski's vision for a shoe

Business is business. It's just "cool" to hate on Nike because they are the most successful at it. Emerica/Lakai/State all want to make a profit too. Some business decisions look scummy, others look virtuous.
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Nike purchased the Janoski name so they didnt have to pay him royalties.



^Didn't stefan directly refute this rumor in a video interview years ago?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 15, 2020, 07:22:53 PM
About tree fiddy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hc0xK8ceE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hc0xK8ceE)
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ihatejulio on September 15, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
About tree fiddy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hc0xK8ceE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hc0xK8ceE)

An internet rumor started by a defamatory "all core lives matters" simpleton? You don't say!

Hey, here is a real criticism of Nike. They force skate shops to carry their product under overly obtrusive and intensive requirements that undercut every other shoe brand that is allowed to be carried in said skate shop. That's something that Nike deserves 100% to be called out for.

Yet as annoying as I find the "ride the best, fuck the rest" Indy fanboys, you gullible aficionados for the "skater-owned" marketing tagline are just as susceptible to these brands appealing to your insecure sensibilities in being viewed by others as a true and pure skateboarder. Rad! Let's skate one pair of shoes made in a sweatshop overseas over another pair of shoes made in a sweatshop overseas because the guy who "runs" the core company did a backside big spin down an 8 stair in 1998. Cool!

And behind the scenes, some of these "core" companies aren't actually owned and operated by skaters. It's just another core marketing ploy.

Apparently though, if Nike or other big-name shoe brands gives shine to women and lgbtq+ skaters its seen as a fake woke marketing scheme (this notion is borderline demeaning and prejudiced to women/lgbtq+ people mind you). Representation matters, and it seems like the only ones that care are these big name brands which is honestly kinda disheartening since, at the end of the day, I do want these small brands to succeed. The old boys club of the skate industry refusing to adapt and accommodate the now rapidly diverse skate scene speaks volumes. Vans branched out and adapted and now look at the behemoth they are.

edit: I'm well aware I'm being an extra spicy sas magnet tonight lol. You already know how much I enjoy and respect you gorgeous sons a bitches in this thread. I think I need to photoshop 1010's mugshot on a flaccid dick and cool off.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 16, 2020, 01:08:17 AM
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I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple
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Sheep flock

The herd loves to defend the almighty swoosh. Ever wonder why Applewhite went out wearing Nike’s.


“Applewhite was involved in the decision – he liked the look of them and, because they were a very basic sneaker with no fancy new technology, they were the most budget-friendly option.“

Keep loving your swoosh cult sheeple.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/heavens-gate-cult-nike-decades-reddit-story

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 16, 2020, 02:23:50 AM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them? To me, if these core companies gave an actual shit in supporting the vastly diverse modern skate scene then it would care more about supporting those within our little world that deserve to be recognized.
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Like I said core companies are not perfect and they could do more. They have also way less money to spend.

Yes i think it is great that Elissa and Lance get paid still. Does Ellisa actually get paid? I shut hope so.
It is part of Nike’s current overall marketing strategy to get involved in women’s rights and lgbtq+ issues, which is great I guess. It Is still at its core a marketing scheme and they will stop doing These things right away if they see it to be bad or unnecessary for the value of their brand.
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You literally just described what actually happened to Etnies women's program with that sentence. Also, there isn't a chance in hell Nike will step back on supporting women's and LGBTQ+ skaters in the future. Absolutely none. If core companies gave a damn about supporting women or LGBTQ+ skaters then maybe they should, oh I don't know, actually fucking support them. Like, how weird and incompetent is it that every last small shoe brand doesn't currently have a single woman on any of their team pages? But hey, let's just sponsor 12 cookie cutter bros from Long Beach wearing condom beanies and cuffed dickies. Give me a fucking break.

If it's part of Nike's marketing scheme to sponsor women and LGBTQ+ skaters to appear virtuous then so be it. What actual real-world consequences arise from that? More women and LGBTQ+ skaters being supported and newcomers seeing themselves represented within the overall skate world? Oh, the humanity!

Hey, I think it is great Nike and Vans have adopted diversity as a marketing strategy and that in some ways has helped quite a few causes. I think it is great more girls skate now and homophobia and racism is being questioned. And yes I think it would be cool if other shoe brands supported more girls.

I feel it is pretty weird that this has muddled social activism and commercial interests in a way that is pretty perverse. It is also the truth that Nike is using anti racist and pro-diversity marketing to sell a product made in global sweatshops by racialized and marginalized workers. A cynical arguement would be that corporations like Nike are using the energy generated by social movements to move their products. They also have fundamentally different interests from some of these movements, though. The NBA for example has been first forced to and has finally embraced the black lives matter movement. It seems they did it because they had to, because they benifit from the movement in their marketing and by embracing it they are trying to control the movement. They have for example made pretty clear rules, about the kind of protest that is allowed on jerseys. The problem I see for black lives matter and its embrace by large corporations is that only some of their demands are in the interest of these companies. Some of the very real structural changes necessary to further the cause of marginalized african american groups can only be solved by structural changes such as better social programmes, health services and more chances of making a living wage. These changes would be very much against the interests of large corporation like Nike and the NBA and the capital interests they are behind them.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 16, 2020, 02:30:29 AM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them? To me, if these core companies gave an actual shit in supporting the vastly diverse modern skate scene then it would care more about supporting those within our little world that deserve to be recognized.
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Like I said core companies are not perfect and they could do more. They have also way less money to spend.

Yes i think it is great that Elissa and Lance get paid still. Does Ellisa actually get paid? I shut hope so.
It is part of Nike’s current overall marketing strategy to get involved in women’s rights and lgbtq+ issues, which is great I guess. It Is still at its core a marketing scheme and they will stop doing These things right away if they see it to be bad or unnecessary for the value of their brand.
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You literally just described what actually happened to Etnies women's program with that sentence. Also, there isn't a chance in hell Nike will step back on supporting women's and LGBTQ+ skaters in the future. Absolutely none. If core companies gave a damn about supporting women or LGBTQ+ skaters then maybe they should, oh I don't know, actually fucking support them. Like, how weird and incompetent is it that every last small shoe brand doesn't currently have a single woman on any of their team pages? But hey, let's just sponsor 12 cookie cutter bros from Long Beach wearing condom beanies and cuffed dickies. Give me a fucking break.

If it's part of Nike's marketing scheme to sponsor women and LGBTQ+ skaters to appear virtuous then so be it. What actual real-world consequences arise from that? More women and LGBTQ+ skaters being supported and newcomers seeing themselves represented within the overall skate world? Oh, the humanity!
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Hey, I think it is great Nike and Vans have adopted diversity as a marketing strategy and that in some ways has helped quite a few causes. I think it is great more girls skate now and homophobia and racism is being questioned. And yes I think it would be cool if other shoe brands supported more girls.

I feel it is pretty weird that this has muddled social activism and commercial interests in a way that is pretty perverse. It is also the truth that Nike is using anti racist and pro-diversity marketing to sell a product made in global sweatshops by racialized and marginalized workers. A cynical arguement would be that corporations like Nike are using the energy generated by social movements to move their products. They also have fundamentally different interests from some of these movements, though. The NBA for example has been first forced to and has finally embraced the black lives matter movement. It seems they did it because they had to, because they benifit from the movement in their marketing and by embracing it they are trying to control the movement. They have for example made pretty clear rules, about the kind of protest that is allowed on jerseys. The problem I see for black lives matter and its embrace by large corporations is that only some of their demands are in the interest of these companies. Some of the very real structural changes necessary to further the cause of marginalized african american groups can only be solved by structural changes such as better social programmes, health services and more chances of making a living wage. These changes would be very much against the interests of large corporation like Nike and the NBA and the capital interests they are behind them.

For me this bit by Bill Hicks illustrates pretty well how marketing thinks about political emotions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEOGrkhDp0
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Atiba Applebum on September 16, 2020, 04:57:53 AM
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I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple
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The herd loves to defend the almighty swoosh. Ever wonder why Applewhite went out wearing Nike’s.


“Applewhite was involved in the decision – he liked the look of them and, because they were a very basic sneaker with no fancy new technology, they were the most budget-friendly option.“

Keep loving your swoosh cult sheeple.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/heavens-gate-cult-nike-decades-reddit-story

I don’t know what a refinery 29 article citing a Reddit post (almost too much legitimacy there) about Heavens Gate has to do with the fact that sheep congregate in a flock not a herd. 

But hey guys, there’s a brand new book out called No Logo by Naomi Klein you should check out.  Then we can meet in Seattle and protest the WTO.  I’m sure everyone there will be fascinated by your 20-30 year old stances.   I don’t need to be told there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.   

This thread reminds me of my mom.  In the 60s she was a Goldwater republican/colonel’s daughter in Oklahoma.  She didn’t question the government until decades later and Trump’s candidacy/election and the Ken Burn’s Vietnam documentary.  Now she won’t shut up about the government lying to its citizens, keeping things from us, and perhaps not always working to benefit their constituents.  It’s lovely she gets it, but it’s annoying to hear it so so long after everyone else has accepted it.  Problem is, it doesn’t lead to much personal change, it just festers as internalized cynicism and negativity
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Highonangeldust on September 16, 2020, 05:09:52 AM
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Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 16, 2020, 05:17:37 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hc0xK8ceE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Hc0xK8ceE)
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An internet rumor started by a defamatory "all core lives matters" simpleton? You don't say!

Hey, here is a real criticism of Nike. They force skate shops to carry their product under overly obtrusive and intensive requirements that undercut every other shoe brand that is allowed to be carried in said skate shop. That's something that Nike deserves 100% to be called out for.

Yet as annoying as I find the "ride the best, fuck the rest" Indy fanboys, you gullible aficionados for the "skater-owned" marketing tagline are just as susceptible to these brands appealing to your insecure sensibilities in being viewed by others as a true and pure skateboarder. Rad! Let's skate one pair of shoes made in a sweatshop overseas over another pair of shoes made in a sweatshop overseas because the guy who "runs" the core company did a backside big spin down an 8 stair in 1998. Cool!

And behind the scenes, some of these "core" companies aren't actually owned and operated by skaters. It's just another core marketing ploy.

Apparently though, if Nike or other big-name shoe brands gives shine to women and lgbtq+ skaters its seen as a fake woke marketing scheme (this notion is borderline demeaning and prejudiced to women/lgbtq+ people mind you). Representation matters, and it seems like the only ones that care are these big name brands which is honestly kinda disheartening since, at the end of the day, I do want these small brands to succeed. The old boys club of the skate industry refusing to adapt and accommodate the now rapidly diverse skate scene speaks volumes. Vans branched out and adapted and now look at the behemoth they are.

edit: I'm well aware I'm being an extra spicy sas magnet tonight lol. You already know how much I enjoy and respect you gorgeous sons a bitches in this thread. I think I need to photoshop 1010's mugshot on a flaccid dick and cool off.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Mz_rDeP04 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Mz_rDeP04)
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 16, 2020, 05:25:41 AM
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But hey guys, there’s a brand new book out called No Logo by Naomi Klein you should check out.  Then we can meet in Seattle and protest the WTO.  I’m sure everyone there will be fascinated by your 20-30 year old stances.   I don’t need to be told there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.   

This thread reminds me of my mom.  In the 60s she was a Goldwater republican/colonel’s daughter in Oklahoma.  She didn’t question the government until decades later and Trump’s candidacy/election and the Ken Burn’s Vietnam documentary.  Now she won’t shut up about the government lying to its citizens, keeping things from us, and perhaps not always working to benefit their constituents.  It’s lovely she gets it, but it’s annoying to hear it so so long after everyone else has accepted it.  Problem is, it doesn’t lead to much personal change, it just festers as internalized cynicism and negativity

When you turned 30 what did realize that allowed you to move beyond “these stances”? I’m 40 maybe I’m just immature?

A way to avoid internalizing cynicism is to become materially involved. The terminal cynics are mostly terminally online. Seek out face to face organizing opportunities: join/start a union in your workplace, run for local office, start a relief organization, get involved in mutual aid, form a neighborhood organization that benefits your community, etc.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Pete on September 16, 2020, 05:30:26 AM
you guys can really turn any thread into a weird uninformed political shitshow. take that qanon shit back to reddit, shit was made by a crew of 4chan hooligans anyway its crazy so many people dont know that.



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Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Highonangeldust on September 16, 2020, 06:23:54 AM
you guys can really turn any thread into a weird uninformed political shitshow. take that qanon shit back to reddit, shit was made by a crew of 4chan hooligans anyway its crazy so many people dont know that.

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Nora doesn’t get down with Egg salad sandwiches

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Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 16, 2020, 06:55:01 AM
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I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple
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Sheep flock
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The herd loves to defend the almighty swoosh. Ever wonder why Applewhite went out wearing Nike’s.


“Applewhite was involved in the decision – he liked the look of them and, because they were a very basic sneaker with no fancy new technology, they were the most budget-friendly option.“

Keep loving your swoosh cult sheeple.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/heavens-gate-cult-nike-decades-reddit-story
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I don’t know what a refinery 29 article citing a Reddit post (almost too much legitimacy there) about Heavens Gate has to do with the fact that sheep congregate in a flock not a herd. 

But hey guys, there’s a brand new book out called No Logo by Naomi Klein you should check out.  Then we can meet in Seattle and protest the WTO.  I’m sure everyone there will be fascinated by your 20-30 year old stances.   I don’t need to be told there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.   

This thread reminds me of my mom.  In the 60s she was a Goldwater republican/colonel’s daughter in Oklahoma.  She didn’t question the government until decades later and Trump’s candidacy/election and the Ken Burn’s Vietnam documentary.  Now she won’t shut up about the government lying to its citizens, keeping things from us, and perhaps not always working to benefit their constituents.  It’s lovely she gets it, but it’s annoying to hear it so so long after everyone else has accepted it.  Problem is, it doesn’t lead to much personal change, it just festers as internalized cynicism and negativity

Dang it is a flock isn't it. Wacka flocka
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Atiba Applebum on September 16, 2020, 07:00:44 AM
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But hey guys, there’s a brand new book out called No Logo by Naomi Klein you should check out.  Then we can meet in Seattle and protest the WTO.  I’m sure everyone there will be fascinated by your 20-30 year old stances.   I don’t need to be told there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.   

This thread reminds me of my mom.  In the 60s she was a Goldwater republican/colonel’s daughter in Oklahoma.  She didn’t question the government until decades later and Trump’s candidacy/election and the Ken Burn’s Vietnam documentary.  Now she won’t shut up about the government lying to its citizens, keeping things from us, and perhaps not always working to benefit their constituents.  It’s lovely she gets it, but it’s annoying to hear it so so long after everyone else has accepted it.  Problem is, it doesn’t lead to much personal change, it just festers as internalized cynicism and negativity
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When you turned 30 what did realize that allowed you to move beyond “these stances”? I’m 40 maybe I’m just immature?

A way to avoid internalizing cynicism is to become materially involved. The terminal cynics are mostly terminally online. Seek out face to face organizing opportunities: join/start a union in your workplace, run for local office, start a relief organization, get involved in mutual aid, form a neighborhood organization that benefits your community, etc.

Those are questions to ask lowcalcium not me
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 16, 2020, 07:07:31 AM
you guys can really turn any thread into a weird uninformed political shitshow. take that qanon shit back to reddit, shit was made by a crew of 4chan hooligans anyway its crazy so many people dont know that.



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Hey Pete, I think you’re the First one in this threat to mention Qanon.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 16, 2020, 07:09:19 AM
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But hey guys, there’s a brand new book out called No Logo by Naomi Klein you should check out.  Then we can meet in Seattle and protest the WTO.  I’m sure everyone there will be fascinated by your 20-30 year old stances.   I don’t need to be told there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.   

This thread reminds me of my mom.  In the 60s she was a Goldwater republican/colonel’s daughter in Oklahoma.  She didn’t question the government until decades later and Trump’s candidacy/election and the Ken Burn’s Vietnam documentary.  Now she won’t shut up about the government lying to its citizens, keeping things from us, and perhaps not always working to benefit their constituents.  It’s lovely she gets it, but it’s annoying to hear it so so long after everyone else has accepted it.  Problem is, it doesn’t lead to much personal change, it just festers as internalized cynicism and negativity
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When you turned 30 what did realize that allowed you to move beyond “these stances”? I’m 40 maybe I’m just immature?

A way to avoid internalizing cynicism is to become materially involved. The terminal cynics are mostly terminally online. Seek out face to face organizing opportunities: join/start a union in your workplace, run for local office, start a relief organization, get involved in mutual aid, form a neighborhood organization that benefits your community, etc.
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Those are questions to ask lowcalcium not me

Haha I only hate Nike because I'm a old curmudgeon who grew up hating big Corps in the skate industry. Not for some political or labor theory

Just because I was raised with the ethos that Nike was the devil. Screw the suits
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: HORSES on September 16, 2020, 07:27:10 AM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them?
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Cuz people like to nitpick details to fit their narrative.

Here are a few counterpoints to criticisms of Nike:
1. Nike took the LA courthouse, previously an unskateable spot/bust, and essentially made it a skatepark, which helps keeps kids busy and out of trouble. They also had a perfect opportunity to plaster the nike sb logo everywhere there, but guess what? They didn't
2. Vans threatened to kick Alex Olson off for moving from California to New York.
3. If you're a shoe company that doesn't plan on using cheap labor from overseas, good luck selling a $200 skate shoe, and hope for a goddamn miracle if you want to make a profit.
4. Crailtap threatens to kick people off girl/chocolate if they leave Lakai
5. Emerica heavily underpaid Reynolds until Chad Muska offered him 2-3x pay on Circa.
6. Nike helped out with Malto's ankle injury and stuck by him through his recovery
7. Don't know the details but John Fitzgerald has been hurt for a while now and he's still on the team page so it can be assumed he's still being supported by them
8. They actually followed Stefan Janoski's vision for a shoe

Business is business. It's just "cool" to hate on Nike because they are the most successful at it. Emerica/Lakai/State all want to make a profit too. Some business decisions look scummy, others look virtuous.
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You've highlighted some good things about Nike and some bad things about skate footwear brands however in most cases the penny swings both ways.

Nike dogged Corey Kennedy when things got hot (kind of expected from a corporate perspective but crail has managed to stand by him).

Nike dogged Peter Hewitt when things got shitty.

Nike purchased the Janoski name so they didnt have to pay him royalties.

From my understanding of the story, Emerica weren't necessarily under paying Reynolds, Muska just helped him negotiate a better deal.

Penny swings both ways? That's not a saying, haha.

Nike didn't dog CK at all. That's all on him.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: El Chupacabra on September 16, 2020, 08:54:43 AM
Nike more or less has singlehandedly made being a professional skateboarder a viable career option for the first time ever.
They bought their way in for sure, but skateboarders were happy to let them.

The "support core" argument feels like another example of coolguy gatekeeping that the skate industry really suffers from in general. Its being pushed in an attempt to guilt the consumer into sustaining businesses that just flat out don't want to evolve.

Popular opinion here seems to be that Nike buying Janoskis naming rights was a bad thing. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him sign the papers (well, it is Nike, so maybe they did) but he got more money than he could ever spend in one lifetime. I've seen the dudes house, he'll get by somehow.

Don't like them, don't buy them. Whatever lets you sleep at night.

Oh yeah, Weck is a clown for sure, but clowns can be entertaining.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: I HATE WHERE I LIVE on September 16, 2020, 08:54:57 AM
pete is the only good poster left
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 16, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
Nike more or less has singlehandedly made being a professional skateboarder a viable career option for the first time ever.
They bought their way in for sure, but skateboarders were happy to let them.

The "support core" argument feels like another example of coolguy gatekeeping that the skate industry really suffers from in general. Its being pushed in an attempt to guilt the consumer into sustaining businesses that just flat out don't want to evolve.

Popular opinion here seems to be that Nike buying Janoskis naming rights was a bad thing. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him sign the papers (well, it is Nike, so maybe they did) but he got more money than he could ever spend in one lifetime. I've seen the dudes house, he'll get by somehow.

Don't like them, don't buy them. Whatever lets you sleep at night.

Oh yeah, Weck is a clown for sure, but clowns can be entertaining.

While I totally agree with everything you just said, I'm just going to pretend I'm Phelps for a second and say "skateboarding doesn't owe you anything."

Sure you should cash those checks while you can because a skateboarding career lasts only 5 to 7 years if your lucky. The same career a RB in the NFL gets due to injuries.  But the NFL is not skateboarding... just because you feel you deserve that money doesn't mean you should always take it.

But there's always valid excuses for taking it: Lisa needs braces, my knee is blown out, man I'd love to try and buy a house. But again, "skateboarding doesn't owe you anything."

So I guess my point is: it's cool sometimes to see people go against the grain in skateboarding and not do it for the cash; or not even the cash...but the livelihood of the money . Jon Rowe is seriously one of my favorite skateboarders and he does it for the sheer stoke. He doesn't care to be pro or to be on a big Corp shoe sponsor (though you can see him wearing Nikes). I don't know I guess I'm a old curmudgeon but I like to see skaters go for the smaller brands (whether they are core or not).
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: El Chupacabra on September 16, 2020, 10:03:00 AM
I mean really, none of this is particularly important at the end of the day. No leisure activity is. Its cool that people can make a living off of it (and sometimes fortunes) and its cool that we can have fun with it, but man, its just not that serious a thing.

People that skate for passion and not for a check will always exist. They're the smart ones.
Any niche professional athlete will have a short career and wind up broke both physically and financially unless they take steps early on to prevent that from happening.
Skateboarding encourages a reckless lifestyle too. I came up in LA in the 90s as a skate rat. I know a lot of dudes that were legends in their day and now really have nothing to show for it other than arthritis and a lot of bitterness. But I also know people that took the time to get jobs and plan for a future who still skate and are able to live comfortably, some of them even in the skate industry. But they are in the minority, thats for sure.

Nike offers 401ks. Crailtap does not.


Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Glurmpz on September 16, 2020, 10:11:49 AM
Nike more or less has singlehandedly made being a professional skateboarder a viable career option for the first time ever.
They bought their way in for sure, but skateboarders were happy to let them.

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Popular opinion here seems to be that Nike buying Janoskis naming rights was a bad thing. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him sign the papers (well, it is Nike, so maybe they did) but he got more money than he could ever spend in one lifetime. I've seen the dudes house, he'll get by somehow.



If you think Nike is the first time pro skaters were able to have a viable career then you probably haven't been skating a long time, or just don't know much about the industry. Sure, riding for Nike pays enough to provide more security, but to insinuate that no one made enough money to qualify as a career before Nike SB was a thing is just plain naive.

You also seem to have missed the part where Janoski debunked that name buy out rumor years ago.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: El Chupacabra on September 16, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
I said a "viable" career.

Of course people have made careers as pro skaters for a long time. No shit. If they hadn't we wouldn't be talking about it here.

Since we're discussing missing parts, maybe you missed the part about where are they now?

As far as the Janoski thing goes, true or not, thats kind of irrelevant. Either way he's richer than god. But there is only one of him.

Please continue to out "OG" me on the internet though, by all means.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Glurmpz on September 16, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
I said a "viable" career.

Of course people have made careers as pro skaters for a long time. No shit. If they hadn't we wouldn't be talking about it here now.

Since we're talking about missing parts, maybe you missed the bit about where are they now?

As far as the Janoski thing goes, true or not, thats kind of irrelevant. Either way he's richer than god now. But there is only one of him.



I also said a viable career. There's plenty of pros who never rode for Nike who are doing fine. Also important to remember the majority of Nike riders aren't being paid enough money to retire on either, just the top guys. A "viable" career is completely subjective - lots of people don't need a lot of money to live on, some others do.

As for the Janoski thing, I just pointed out that you were pushing a long since debunked rumor - sorry if that ruffled your feathers.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: El Chupacabra on September 16, 2020, 10:46:16 AM
End of the day, pro skaters are no different than NASCAR drivers.

Paid by sponsors to wear a logo to move units.

Biggest difference is the amount of money the overlords are willing to kick down to us.

Nike is in no way above criticism at all. But they generally treat skaters better than the core companies do.

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Post by: Dwyck on September 16, 2020, 12:30:31 PM
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But hey guys, there’s a brand new book out called No Logo by Naomi Klein you should check out.  Then we can meet in Seattle and protest the WTO.  I’m sure everyone there will be fascinated by your 20-30 year old stances.   I don’t need to be told there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.   

This thread reminds me of my mom.  In the 60s she was a Goldwater republican/colonel’s daughter in Oklahoma.  She didn’t question the government until decades later and Trump’s candidacy/election and the Ken Burn’s Vietnam documentary.  Now she won’t shut up about the government lying to its citizens, keeping things from us, and perhaps not always working to benefit their constituents.  It’s lovely she gets it, but it’s annoying to hear it so so long after everyone else has accepted it.  Problem is, it doesn’t lead to much personal change, it just festers as internalized cynicism and negativity
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When you turned 30 what did realize that allowed you to move beyond “these stances”? I’m 40 maybe I’m just immature?

A way to avoid internalizing cynicism is to become materially involved. The terminal cynics are mostly terminally online. Seek out face to face organizing opportunities: join/start a union in your workplace, run for local office, start a relief organization, get involved in mutual aid, form a neighborhood organization that benefits your community, etc.
What the fuck do you think ive been doing in covid times, twiddling my thumbs while my neighbors starve? Is this just your gotcha everytime someone disagrees with you, that makes it okay for you to sit and stare at the wall getting mad about adbusters shit
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Atiba Applebum on September 16, 2020, 02:24:30 PM
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I said a "viable" career.

Of course people have made careers as pro skaters for a long time. No shit. If they hadn't we wouldn't be talking about it here now.

Since we're talking about missing parts, maybe you missed the bit about where are they now?

As far as the Janoski thing goes, true or not, thats kind of irrelevant. Either way he's richer than god now. But there is only one of him.


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I also said a viable career. There's plenty of pros who never rode for Nike who are doing fine. Also important to remember the majority of Nike riders aren't being paid enough money to retire on either, just the top guys. A "viable" career is completely subjective - lots of people don't need a lot of money to live on, some others do.

As for the Janoski thing, I just pointed out that you were pushing a long since debunked rumor - sorry if that ruffled your feathers.

Does anyone have any idea what they’re paid?   I was always shocked to hear the fat monthly checks DC and Osiris riders would get in the late 90s early 00s. 
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 16, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
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What the fuck do you think ive been doing in covid times, twiddling my thumbs while my neighbors starve? Is this just your gotcha everytime someone disagrees with you, that makes it okay for you to sit and stare at the wall getting mad about adbusters shit
I’m glad you’re helping your neighbors.
You seem confused about what I’m saying.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Glurmpz on September 16, 2020, 04:21:57 PM
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I said a "viable" career.

Of course people have made careers as pro skaters for a long time. No shit. If they hadn't we wouldn't be talking about it here now.

Since we're talking about missing parts, maybe you missed the bit about where are they now?

As far as the Janoski thing goes, true or not, thats kind of irrelevant. Either way he's richer than god now. But there is only one of him.


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I also said a viable career. There's plenty of pros who never rode for Nike who are doing fine. Also important to remember the majority of Nike riders aren't being paid enough money to retire on either, just the top guys. A "viable" career is completely subjective - lots of people don't need a lot of money to live on, some others do.

As for the Janoski thing, I just pointed out that you were pushing a long since debunked rumor - sorry if that ruffled your feathers.
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Does anyone have any idea what they’re paid?   I was always shocked to hear the fat monthly checks DC and Osiris riders would get in the late 90s early 00s.

Not sure, but that's another important point - skaters were getting paid well if they were legit on a shoe brand before Nike etc stole so much of the market share... and all those teams had a much more cohesive image than these megacorps who sponsor 1000 people. 
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Post by: bigdave on September 16, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
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I said a "viable" career.

Of course people have made careers as pro skaters for a long time. No shit. If they hadn't we wouldn't be talking about it here now.

Since we're talking about missing parts, maybe you missed the bit about where are they now?

As far as the Janoski thing goes, true or not, thats kind of irrelevant. Either way he's richer than god now. But there is only one of him.


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I also said a viable career. There's plenty of pros who never rode for Nike who are doing fine. Also important to remember the majority of Nike riders aren't being paid enough money to retire on either, just the top guys. A "viable" career is completely subjective - lots of people don't need a lot of money to live on, some others do.

As for the Janoski thing, I just pointed out that you were pushing a long since debunked rumor - sorry if that ruffled your feathers.
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Does anyone have any idea what they’re paid?   I was always shocked to hear the fat monthly checks DC and Osiris riders would get in the late 90s early 00s.
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Not sure, but that's another important point - skaters were getting paid well if they were legit on a shoe brand before Nike etc stole so much of the market share... and all those teams had a much more cohesive image than these megacorps who sponsor 1000 people.


D3s made Mayhew a cool million one year.

Being on Circa or DVS or Sole Tech brands in the early 2000s with a signature show meant potentially 10K monthly checks.

Id venture a guess that Nike wasnt paying more than 5-6K per month to the original four, but gave them almost total carte blanche over their own program in terms of when they'd film, submit photos for ads, etc.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Dong Hanglo on September 16, 2020, 06:22:15 PM
Weck has bad style.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Owen on September 17, 2020, 02:36:26 AM
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The whole insinuation that skater owned and operated shoe companies are virtuous by association is beyond one of the most tired ass topics in all of skateboarding. Please, enlighten me, just how many Sole Tech brands (Etnies, Emerica, ES) currently have a single woman on any of their skate programs?

How about Lakai? What about the now-defunct Huf shoe program? Supra? Fallen? Hmm, none of them? That's so weird, I thought skater owned and operated companies took care of their own - especially the ones that were most often overlooked, underappreciated, and undervalued within our scene. It's almost as if these companies are run exclusively by inexorable old men who refuse to adapt to anything beyond their myopic, senile idea of how skateboarding and the skate industry should be run.

And before anyone throws a shit fit, I do skate in a lot of smaller brand shoes. But guess what, I don't think that skating in these smaller brands shoes makes me any more virtuous or a "core" skateboarder than someone skating in a pair of Nike Blazers. Wild huh?
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Of course core brands are not perfect. But: I would argue they have more of a long term interest in skating since their business is way more tangled up in the scene and Skating is not just a small fraction of their business.

To me Nike is just wack and unappealing. Also I am old and I feel nostalgic for a time where companies from the outside of skating were not accepted. It took forever for Nike to lure themselves into the scene. For almost ten years they were actively kept out even though they kept trying to throw a lot of money at people.
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You make some good points, and let me say this, Nike deserves all the criticism it gets from its insidiously transparent labor practices. I'm not here to defend these monolithic, endless budget big shoe brands. But I am just so sick and tired of seeing core companies being considered more ethical or honorable simply based on the fact that they skater owned and operated. If they have a more vested interest in supporting the overall skate scene, why do they only want to only appeal to a very specific demographic of said skate scene? 

Why did Etnies dump the entire Etnies Girl program in the late 2000s and leave people like Leo Baker, Evelien B., Elissa hanging out to dry? Why did these bigger shoe brands step-up and pick up the pieces left by these core companies that didn't see any value in them?
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Cuz people like to nitpick details to fit their narrative.

Here are a few counterpoints to criticisms of Nike:
1. Nike took the LA courthouse, previously an unskateable spot/bust, and essentially made it a skatepark, which helps keeps kids busy and out of trouble. They also had a perfect opportunity to plaster the nike sb logo everywhere there, but guess what? They didn't
2. Vans threatened to kick Alex Olson off for moving from California to New York.
3. If you're a shoe company that doesn't plan on using cheap labor from overseas, good luck selling a $200 skate shoe, and hope for a goddamn miracle if you want to make a profit.
4. Crailtap threatens to kick people off girl/chocolate if they leave Lakai
5. Emerica heavily underpaid Reynolds until Chad Muska offered him 2-3x pay on Circa.
6. Nike helped out with Malto's ankle injury and stuck by him through his recovery
7. Don't know the details but John Fitzgerald has been hurt for a while now and he's still on the team page so it can be assumed he's still being supported by them
8. They actually followed Stefan Janoski's vision for a shoe

Business is business. It's just "cool" to hate on Nike because they are the most successful at it. Emerica/Lakai/State all want to make a profit too. Some business decisions look scummy, others look virtuous.
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You've highlighted some good things about Nike and some bad things about skate footwear brands however in most cases the penny swings both ways.

Nike dogged Corey Kennedy when things got hot (kind of expected from a corporate perspective but crail has managed to stand by him).

Nike dogged Peter Hewitt when things got shitty.

Nike purchased the Janoski name so they didnt have to pay him royalties.

From my understanding of the story, Emerica weren't necessarily under paying Reynolds, Muska just helped him negotiate a better deal.
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Penny swings both ways? That's not a saying, haha.

Nike didn't dog CK at all. That's all on him.

Haha penny, pendulum you know what I mean
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 17, 2020, 05:36:09 AM
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Podcast appearance by the Weck. Host seems like a piece of work.

https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1305675029711970309?s=20
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spent 2 years being a joke, and is now hating on Man Ramp for doing the same thing and getting paid by thrasher for it.


"wahhhh, but what about MY attention?!"
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 17, 2020, 06:05:44 AM
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This is the most narrow minded line of thought I've read in a long time. Applying moral absolutism - that all actions are either right or wrong - shouldn't be applied to consumerism as a whole, but as isolated events or actions of these companies. No one or nothing is perfect to a full extent, but the goal is to strive towards perfection and take necessary steps towards achieving a state of as close to ethical perfection as possible.
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LOL at "good capitalism" arguments. There is no such thing my dude. Sorry.


Socialism and Left politics are absolutely moral issues at their core. It's a cause rooted in caring for another person which you do not know, which is the highest form of morality. Marx and Engels knew it. Even people like Sartre knew it. Why do you think the Right is so afraid of a leftist world? They'll be forced to incorporate basic morals and values we're taught as children, like empathy.

From what I said did you get "good capitalism arguments"? Are you not understanding what I'm saying?

Basically what you're saying is that we shouldn't try to make a change/difference for good ever as long as everything can't be perfect at the snap of fingers. We both know that isn't going to happen, so why choose to give up instead of making things better little by little?

In case you haven't noticed, the world has changed significantly in the last 50...40..30..20.. even 10-15 years because of this mindset.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: iNeverSkated on September 17, 2020, 06:25:08 AM
I don't know what this thread is anymore, but I listened to a clip from the podcast Weck went on. They only let you have 10 mins for free, and no way I'm paying for it. But it sounded like Weck was saying he was too real for the skateboard industry, and like maybe there was an effort made to keep him from being as successful as he should have been. He sounded pretty bitter and hateful. I'll pray for him.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: georgethecat on September 17, 2020, 06:26:37 AM
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Podcast appearance by the Weck. Host seems like a piece of work.

https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1305675029711970309?s=20
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spent 2 years being a joke, and is now hating on Man Ramp for doing the same thing and getting paid by thrasher for it.
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"wahhhh, but what about MY attention?!"

He created this persona because no one in skating seemed to care about him, so it's not gonna go well as people also stop caring about the persona.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 17, 2020, 07:29:36 AM
This fool lost his damn mind after that desperate failed attempt to get in the new THPS.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Mike Oxwelling on September 17, 2020, 08:36:18 AM
A trumper complaining about labor practices over and iphone in the United States.   DHS is forcing hysterectomies on people in our own country.

Tony Hawk never called...and those SB boxes stopped.  Of course he's having a melt down and found Qanon to make himself feel better
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 17, 2020, 11:29:31 AM
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This is the most narrow minded line of thought I've read in a long time. Applying moral absolutism - that all actions are either right or wrong - shouldn't be applied to consumerism as a whole, but as isolated events or actions of these companies. No one or nothing is perfect to a full extent, but the goal is to strive towards perfection and take necessary steps towards achieving a state of as close to ethical perfection as possible.
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LOL at "good capitalism" arguments. There is no such thing my dude. Sorry.


Socialism and Left politics are absolutely moral issues at their core. It's a cause rooted in caring for another person which you do not know, which is the highest form of morality. Marx and Engels knew it. Even people like Sartre knew it. Why do you think the Right is so afraid of a leftist world? They'll be forced to incorporate basic morals and values we're taught as children, like empathy.
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From what I said did you get "good capitalism arguments"? Are you not understanding what I'm saying?

Basically what you're saying is that we shouldn't try to make a change/difference for good ever as long as everything can't be perfect at the snap of fingers. We both know that isn't going to happen, so why choose to give up instead of making things better little by little?

In case you haven't noticed, the world has changed significantly in the last 50...40..30..20.. even 10-15 years because of this mindset.

You literally talked about removing absolutism.

Boycotts do nothing to improve anything, even "little by little"

The "little by little" you seek is growing discontent by the working class to continue to create capitalism for their bosses.

History has proven, repeatedly, that only direct action ever works, and usually it needs to come in the form of some kind of revolution. Societal changes you're referring to don't change human nature/behavior.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: thingsthingsthings on September 17, 2020, 02:47:57 PM
Weck saying manramp is 'a kook and terrible representation of masculinity in skateboarding' in that podcast snippet is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Dude should keep his eye on his pot and kettle.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ennui on September 17, 2020, 03:26:47 PM
A trumper complaining about labor practices over and iphone in the United States.   DHS is forcing hysterectomies on people in our own country.

Tony Hawk never called...and those SB boxes stopped.  Of course he's having a melt down and found Qanon to make himself feel better

(https://p1cdn4static.civiclive.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_12421790/Image/Departments/Building%20and%20Safety/hammer-animated-gif-13(1).gif)
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: diogenesofkokomo on September 17, 2020, 05:33:13 PM
Weck saying manramp is 'a kook and terrible representation of masculinity in skateboarding' in that podcast snippet is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Dude should keep his eye on his pot and kettle.

Calling someone "a terrible representation of masculinity in skateboarding" is a really weird way to announce to the world that you're both physically and emotionally incapable of making a woman cum.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: scumfuck on September 17, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
This dude is a racist, supports trump, and is probably going to fall off the face of the earth very soon. He loves the skate troll community and is pretty much cancelled by every single skate company. Sorry weck, your time is done.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cucktard on September 18, 2020, 12:05:27 AM
The ethical response to Nike here is interesting.

I totally sympathize with both sides,

a) we shouldn’t support companies with terrible labor records, with our money or by repping them.

b) any type of boycotting is ineffective against the system as a whole. It puts the responsibility of ethical behavior on the consumer, not the manufacturer.

It seems that the only ethical answer to satisfy both sides would be to steal Nikes and destroy the logos and read more Bookchin.

That and support a worldwide workers movement to demolish capitalism.

Not only are you not supporting them by stealing, you are actively punishing them and causing loss.

I never understood the justification for stealing until this thread.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 18, 2020, 05:30:53 AM
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This is the most narrow minded line of thought I've read in a long time. Applying moral absolutism - that all actions are either right or wrong - shouldn't be applied to consumerism as a whole, but as isolated events or actions of these companies. No one or nothing is perfect to a full extent, but the goal is to strive towards perfection and take necessary steps towards achieving a state of as close to ethical perfection as possible.
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LOL at "good capitalism" arguments. There is no such thing my dude. Sorry.


Socialism and Left politics are absolutely moral issues at their core. It's a cause rooted in caring for another person which you do not know, which is the highest form of morality. Marx and Engels knew it. Even people like Sartre knew it. Why do you think the Right is so afraid of a leftist world? They'll be forced to incorporate basic morals and values we're taught as children, like empathy.
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From what I said did you get "good capitalism arguments"? Are you not understanding what I'm saying?

Basically what you're saying is that we shouldn't try to make a change/difference for good ever as long as everything can't be perfect at the snap of fingers. We both know that isn't going to happen, so why choose to give up instead of making things better little by little?

In case you haven't noticed, the world has changed significantly in the last 50...40..30..20.. even 10-15 years because of this mindset.
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You literally talked about removing absolutism.

Boycotts do nothing to improve anything, even "little by little"

The "little by little" you seek is growing discontent by the working class to continue to create capitalism for their bosses.

History has proven, repeatedly, that only direct action ever works, and usually it needs to come in the form of some kind of revolution. Societal changes you're referring to don't change human nature/behavior.

You keep choosing points in arguments without answering what they apply to. I said removing absolutism when discussing a value chain - only because it differs so much within itself. Isolated events and/or decisions must be discussed, you can't just dismiss a whole value chain because of one faulty link. It can be improved or changed.

Boycotts do nothing to improve anything? Tell that to H&M, Sears, Nordstom, J.Crew, Joe Fresh, Matalan, BonMarché, Mango, the Benetton labels, (want me to keep going?) or literally any other brand that has gone down in flames or have been forced to reconstruct as a result of being exposed. What happened to American Apparel again? Another matter, but same principle. 

Now tell me - what history were you talking about?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 18, 2020, 06:45:20 AM

Now tell me - what history were you talking about?


You're talking about boycotts of H&M being effective as a means to do....what? Shift capital to another factory? Modify exploitation so white american liberals can make instagram posts in their echo chambers? Is boycotting plastic straws an effective tool against climate change? jesus fucking christ, dude. H&M Boycotts? Seriously?

As for your question above...are you -really- this fucking dense? Do you have zero sense of history except for some angry petition to fucking Sears or some shit?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/IJWCRXMjpG9QqgaZn5BZBZMQGdLf9asFAZid_Z4kRF3zpDNbZ8-BpGsi-MglWmqYufD5v085JpF61H-qzCN6oUt97cJzgPTFfPf4_O1e2IPUCovqcg)

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Want to stop capital's exploitation of the working class? The above images represent the only demonstrably effective way to do it. It isnt to say capitalism doesnt still exist in each of those countries, it most certainly does, but if you are talking incremental progress towards a society that is more just and has a more robust safety net, worker protections, and shared labor beneficiary, these were a hell of a lot more effective than fucking change.org and bullshit rating scales pitting Nike vs Adidas vs New Balance vs Sole Tech vs blah blah blah making you feel better. 




Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: JANUS on September 18, 2020, 07:04:27 AM
Specifically referring to the picture of Lenin, are you suggesting that Russian society is comparatively more just than societies that did not have a workers’ revolution, or are you comparing Russian society to itself before and after the revolution?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Lowcalcium on September 18, 2020, 07:31:31 AM
Can we change this thread to Weckingball of Communism
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cold budweisers on September 18, 2020, 08:48:04 AM
manramp might be the only good or positive representation of masculinity in skateboarding
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 18, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
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Now tell me - what history were you talking about?
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You're talking about boycotts of H&M being effective as a means to do....what? Shift capital to another factory? Modify exploitation so white american liberals can make instagram posts in their echo chambers? Is boycotting plastic straws an effective tool against climate change? jesus fucking christ, dude. H&M Boycotts? Seriously?

As for your question above...are you -really- this fucking dense? Do you have zero sense of history except for some angry petition to fucking Sears or some shit?

Want to stop capital's exploitation of the working class? The above images represent the only demonstrably effective way to do it. It isnt to say capitalism doesnt still exist in each of those countries, it most certainly does, but if you are talking incremental progress towards a society that is more just and has a more robust safety net, worker protections, and shared labor beneficiary, these were a hell of a lot more effective than fucking change.org and bullshit rating scales pitting Nike vs Adidas vs New Balance vs Sole Tech vs blah blah blah making you feel better.

I was refering to this quote:

History has proven, repeatedly, that only direct action ever works, and usually it needs to come in the form of some kind of revolution. Societal changes you're referring to don't change human nature/behavior.

But you only chose to respond to half a part of one point I was making. I was giving examples on changes that have been done as a result of boycotts as you said only direction action ever works.
Of course revolutions have made differences in the past, but one doesn't dismiss the other. What I'm arguing for is that whether you choose to take drastic measures or start a revolution, changes can be done over time and the smaller things do matter.

Have you ever studied company sales or customer surveys and how they changed as a result of company actions? As a consumer, you have more power than you think as these actions reach your customers and you collectively make a change. Please read up on how companies have been forced to change in terms of sustainability and human rights and you will see what has been done solely because the consumer is more informed than ever in the digital era.

Bottom line: support those companies that deserve to be supported and make noise when someone is fucking up and the market will take care of the rest.

Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: nicotinewheel on September 18, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
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Bottom line: support those companies that deserve to be supported and make noise when someone is fucking up and the market will take care of the rest.
lol
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: cucktard on September 18, 2020, 11:15:10 PM
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Kooked for that intentionally naive sentence.

The market has done wonders solving climate change, eh?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: ndsr on September 18, 2020, 11:58:06 PM
The ethical response to Nike here is interesting.

I totally sympathize with both sides,

a) we shouldn’t support companies with terrible labor records, with our money or by repping them.

b) any type of boycotting is ineffective against the system as a whole. It puts the responsibility of ethical behavior on the consumer, not the manufacturer.

It seems that the only ethical answer to satisfy both sides would be to steal Nikes and destroy the logos and read more Bookchin.

That and support a worldwide workers movement to demolish capitalism.

Not only are you not supporting them by stealing, you are actively punishing them and causing loss.

I never understood the justification for stealing until this thread.
To wisely sort of misquote the great Cheech Marin “ that’s heavy you got a real point there, now just let your hair grow out and like nobody will notice”. It’s a pinhead reference, that I believe Refers to having a small brain.  In conclusion fuck Nike
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 21, 2020, 06:43:27 AM
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Kooked for that intentionally naive sentence.

The market has done wonders solving climate change, eh?

What the fuck is it with this message board and interpreting everything as black or white? Think one step further.

When I say 'the market will take care of the rest', I mean that companies will be forced to recognize consumer behavior and act in line with how the consumer acts. So to answer your question, here are 2 points:

1. Production in terms of sustainability has improved immensely over the past decade. Companies (at least in Europe) are now forced to put out extensive sustainability reports that show their impact on climate over the past year in both production and transport. Sustainability goals are heavily focused on and every improvement is shown in hard numbers every year. Although we have a long way to go, a lot has been done and there is constant improvement in most areas.

More importantly: 2. As companies act in line with the consumer, they're going to put out quality/price and quantities that matches consumption. This is what I meant by my previous statement. Only so much can be done to achieve certain price points.
The average consumer is fine with buying cheap shit with little to no transparency/traceability in companies value chain as long as they get cheaper product. Then they buy 5 more.
Businesses exist to make money - many ethical companies will try as much as possible to be as sustainable and ethical as possible, but it only works to a certain extent if you want to keep making a profit.

This is what I mean when I say the consumer has the power and 'the market will take care of the rest'. Of course you can't single handedly change the whole industry, but if more people change their mindset,  then the industry and market is forced to change.

Read number 2 again and analyze your own consumption behavior. The other option is doing nothing at all and crying about what's wrong on the slap messageboard - what's the better option?
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 21, 2020, 09:00:43 AM
Ok. So to summarize: shut up and consume (the right products).

There are other things you can do besides just buying the right stuff: join a union, go demonstrate in solidarity with workers rights, connect with other workers along the supply chain. Vote for a party, who seeks to implement laws making it possible to hold companies accountable for their labor practices. Hell, even Trump has a different solution: A ban on products produced under forced labor conditions in China. Yes he most likely does not give a fuck about labor conditions in China and this is just a tactical measure in his trade war, but still. These things can be done.

I don't want to negate the positive developements you mentioned. You are a bit naive however in arguing that consumption is based (or will finally be based) on rational choice and that companies that can show they are more ethical have an advantage in the market place. In the real work there is advertisement and marketing and as a company having to do whatever you can to win. The economy is not democratic at all. I don't believe a more ethical consumption alone is going to change that.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Watitdo on September 21, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Kinda hard to say this guy is cancelled when he's got 119k followers. I'm definitely not a fan though.

His account is public...0 posts...no profile pic...
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 21, 2020, 09:47:17 AM
Ok. So to summarize: shut up and consume (the right products).

You are super naive in thinking consumption is based on rational choice and that companies that are more ethical have an advantage in the market place. That is pure fantasy. In the real work there is advertisement and marketing and doing whatever you can to win. Economic life is not democratic at all.

There are other things you can do besides just buying the right stuff: join a union, go demonstrate in solidarity with workers rights, connect with other workers along the supply chain. Vote for a party, who seeks to implement laws making it possible to hold companies accountable for their labor practices. Hell, even Trump has a different solution: A ban on products produced under forced labor conditions in China. Yes he most likely does not give a fuck about labor conditions in China and this is just a tactical measure in his trade war, but still. These things can be done.

Where did I say ethical companies have an advantage in the market? If anything, I stated the opposite and
advocated for how great it would be if they did. Other than that, I absolutely agree with you, but I think the point of the discussion got blurry pretty quickly and my points are being interpreted as if they would solve every issue there is in modern day consumption.

I am only arguing against the point that started this whole thing; the discussion started when certain brands were being criticized for their lack of ethics and some posters stated that it doesn't matter what you do because 'everyone is equally evil'. I am saying that is not the case at all.

The only point I am trying to make is: if you are to buy a product and have 10+ options, it does matter what you choose because different companies' value chains look radically different (even though none is perfect obviously). Buy from a company you want to survive for whatever reason, but it would make a huge difference if people consumed smarter so why not be a part of progress instead of the problem? Just weigh the options and be aware of where you put your money. I buy Adidas all the time and I know what they're about, and sometimes when buying other products I try to do my part - easy as that.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: S. on September 21, 2020, 09:49:30 AM
Yes, I did generalize a bit much. That was kind of an impulsive reply. I have changed my reply a bit.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: Deekay on September 21, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
I feel like we're on the same track but the discussion got a lot broader than what I was originally responding to, so my rants got too open to interpretation, I guess.
Title: Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
Post by: bigdave on September 21, 2020, 09:57:57 AM
You are a bit naïve however
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Post by: Vomit Lust on September 21, 2020, 10:03:46 AM
Kinda hard to say this guy is cancelled when he's got 119k followers. I'm definitely not a fan though.

His account is public...0 posts...no profile pic...

This is like the IG personality equivalent of when Britney Spears cracked and shaved her head.
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Post by: Deekay on September 21, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
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You are a bit naïve however
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I'm just a sucker for Disney flicks and sneaker raffles