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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: formula420 on September 12, 2020, 09:37:49 PM
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https://youtu.be/UUJQPKvrVfk
Seems like a rad dude
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A little long, but that was kinda dope.
Off topic, don't buy Yeti shit. There's shit just as good for like a third of the price.
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It never ceases to amuse me that he named his daughter the same name he gave his pet ferret. (I know this from being a massive Flip fan boy during the Sorry! days)
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He didn't shoot an animal?! very disappointing.
It amazes me that he used to be a vegan and now gets his kicks from killing.
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He didn't shoot an animal?! very disappointing.
It amazes me that he used to be a vegan and now gets his kicks from killing.
You didn’t watch it
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I feel like Reynolds might not have gotten picked up by Vans if Rowley had aged better as a skater and wasn’t completely consumed with playing Davey Crocket
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if Rowley had aged better as a skater
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He didn't shoot an animal?! very disappointing.
It amazes me that he used to be a vegan and now gets his kicks from killing.
You didn’t watch it
He did shoot an animal?
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
the thrill of the hunt MAN. you've never gotten a boner bigger than when you (and the 15 people you hired to actually help you) are able to corner an animal that's terrified and shoot it so that you can brag about it on instagram and pretend you're a survivor that's providing for his family
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
the thrill of the hunt MAN. you've never gotten a boner bigger than when you (and the 15 people you hired to actually help you) are able to corner an animal that's terrified and shoot it so that you can brag about it on instagram and pretend you're a survivor that's providing for his family
That made me think of the obnoxious assholes that put loud mufflers on their cars. There's probably some overlap in mentality there for people who think this stuff is cool.
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
one aspect is the predator/prey balance of an area. if a prey species has low numbers you might want to take out some predators so the prey population can increase again.
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
one aspect is the predator/prey balance of an area. if a prey species has low numbers you might want to take out some predators so the prey population can increase again.
Yeah, I bet those mountain sheep he's hunting are destroying buckets of prey every day.
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This has confirmed that I do not give a shit about Geoff Rowley post Flip. Just a big hypocrite at this point.
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
one aspect is the predator/prey balance of an area. if a prey species has low numbers you might want to take out some predators so the prey population can increase again.
Yeah, I bet those mountain sheep he's hunting are destroying buckets of prey every day.
Maybe I watched this too late, but from what I saw from this video I just saw hunting as more of finding and watching animals rather than killing for sport. The mountain sheep they were looking for was to make sure they were following normal grazing/movement patterns and the fact that they couldn’t find them meant there was perhaps an issue in the ecology of the area that needed to be addressed. Some of you seem like you have more info on what he does, but it seems like he’s conservationally minded and his hired “hunts” are just intensive nature walks and not creepy safaris the Trump kids would go on
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The noseblunt at 9:00 is a thing of beauty.
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Yeah, this piece doesn't talk about hunting much but in another one, a few months ago, he talks about hunting giving him "a lot of fulfilment"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qS23aJNjGc
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Yeah, this piece doesn't talk about hunting much but in another one, a few months ago, he talks about hunting giving him "a lot of fulfilment"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qS23aJNjGc
I don’t want to watch something about animals being killed, so is he in it for population management, sport, food, vicarious thrills ?
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Yeah, this piece doesn't talk about hunting much but in another one, a few months ago, he talks about hunting giving him "a lot of fulfilment"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qS23aJNjGc
I don’t want to watch something about animals being killed, so is he in it for population management, sport, food, vicarious thrills ?
No animals were killed.
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I was the editor for this video, and it's kind of weird that it doesn't say anywhere on the video itself, but Greg Hunt directed it.
Neither Greg nor I are really into hunting (I'm basically vegetarian), but we wanted to focus on the physical and mental demands of scouting and how that relates to/affects his skateboarding. Geoff definitely does hunt animals and is a paid hunting guide. But he also is conservation-minded, and the scene with the helicopter is, as someone pointed out, about watching migration patterns and showing concern for changes in it. There had been a virus among the sheep population there, and, as Geoff notes, people who pay for the hunts that he guides are helping fund research into how to manage that virus and sustain the population.
Personally, I'm like, "But is that mostly so that you can continue hunting them?" But I think it's not a really a binary thing. Yes, Geoff and his clients definitely want to hunt them. I'm not into that, and I don't have to be. And guided hunts can seem like a somewhat crude way to create funding for research, but it does seem to be pretty effective method. So yeah, it's a complicated subject, and a complicated video, but our goal with focusing less on the act of killing and more on the act of scouting was to hopefully put something out there that's a little more broadly applicable for skateboarders who aren't into hunting but who may be into birding, wildlife photography, hiking, etc.
Definitely happy to talk more about all of this for anybody that has questions!!
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I was the editor for this video, and it's kind of weird that it doesn't say anywhere on the video itself, but Greg Hunt directed it.
Looks like the credits are listed in the video description, not sure if they were there when you posted this.
Anyway, nice work and congrats! I do the same sort of work and I'm always happy to see skateboarders working in the industry. I've always found it to be a shame how many talented skate filmers never really find a lane for themselves outside of filming/editing skateboarding.
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I was the editor for this video, and it's kind of weird that it doesn't say anywhere on the video itself, but Greg Hunt directed it.
Neither Greg nor I are really into hunting (I'm basically vegetarian), but we wanted to focus on the physical and mental demands of scouting and how that relates to/affects his skateboarding. Geoff definitely does hunt animals and is a paid hunting guide. But he also is conservation-minded, and the scene with the helicopter is, as someone pointed out, about watching migration patterns and showing concern for changes in it. There had been a virus among the sheep population there, and, as Geoff notes, people who pay for the hunts that he guides are helping fund research into how to manage that virus and sustain the population.
Personally, I'm like, "But is that mostly so that you can continue hunting them?" But I think it's not a really a binary thing. Yes, Geoff and his clients definitely want to hunt them. I'm not into that, and I don't have to be. And guided hunts can seem like a somewhat crude way to create funding for research, but it does seem to be pretty effective method. So yeah, it's a complicated subject, and a complicated video, but our goal with focusing less on the act of killing and more on the act of scouting was to hopefully put something out there that's a little more broadly applicable for skateboarders who aren't into hunting but who may be into birding, wildlife photography, hiking, etc.
Definitely happy to talk more about all of this for anybody that has questions!!
It was an interesting video and an interesting parallel between the disciplines to draw on. Nicely done, it was a well put together piece.
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I recall meeting a park ranger years back who told me there are far more effective ways of controlling animal populations than hunting, contraception being the primary one. According to him the most hunted species aren't candidates for culling at all, and he was adamant that conservation was a flimsy pretext for people who like to shoot animals. Virtue signalling for hunters, I believe he called it.
I've no idea whether that's true but figured some of you might weigh in.
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I was the editor for this video, and it's kind of weird that it doesn't say anywhere on the video itself, but Greg Hunt directed it.
Neither Greg nor I are really into hunting (I'm basically vegetarian), but we wanted to focus on the physical and mental demands of scouting and how that relates to/affects his skateboarding. Geoff definitely does hunt animals and is a paid hunting guide. But he also is conservation-minded, and the scene with the helicopter is, as someone pointed out, about watching migration patterns and showing concern for changes in it. There had been a virus among the sheep population there, and, as Geoff notes, people who pay for the hunts that he guides are helping fund research into how to manage that virus and sustain the population.
Personally, I'm like, "But is that mostly so that you can continue hunting them?" But I think it's not a really a binary thing. Yes, Geoff and his clients definitely want to hunt them. I'm not into that, and I don't have to be. And guided hunts can seem like a somewhat crude way to create funding for research, but it does seem to be pretty effective method. So yeah, it's a complicated subject, and a complicated video, but our goal with focusing less on the act of killing and more on the act of scouting was to hopefully put something out there that's a little more broadly applicable for skateboarders who aren't into hunting but who may be into birding, wildlife photography, hiking, etc.
Definitely happy to talk more about all of this for anybody that has questions!!
Why are you not fully vegetarian?
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I was the editor for this video, and it's kind of weird that it doesn't say anywhere on the video itself, but Greg Hunt directed it.
Neither Greg nor I are really into hunting (I'm basically vegetarian), but we wanted to focus on the physical and mental demands of scouting and how that relates to/affects his skateboarding. Geoff definitely does hunt animals and is a paid hunting guide. But he also is conservation-minded, and the scene with the helicopter is, as someone pointed out, about watching migration patterns and showing concern for changes in it. There had been a virus among the sheep population there, and, as Geoff notes, people who pay for the hunts that he guides are helping fund research into how to manage that virus and sustain the population.
Personally, I'm like, "But is that mostly so that you can continue hunting them?" But I think it's not a really a binary thing. Yes, Geoff and his clients definitely want to hunt them. I'm not into that, and I don't have to be. And guided hunts can seem like a somewhat crude way to create funding for research, but it does seem to be pretty effective method. So yeah, it's a complicated subject, and a complicated video, but our goal with focusing less on the act of killing and more on the act of scouting was to hopefully put something out there that's a little more broadly applicable for skateboarders who aren't into hunting but who may be into birding, wildlife photography, hiking, etc.
Definitely happy to talk more about all of this for anybody that has questions!!
Wildlife preservation should be the domain of government departments and not a for-profit organization that has to get funds by destroying parts of the very thing they are trying to preserve. I do understand that there will always be a need to cull at least some invasive species such as wild hogs, but land use and pollution that affect the wildlife the most cannot be managed by local actors alone. There has to be a systemic approach.
From a vegan standpoint, closing down all farms raising livestock would be a great enough change, since I imagine the amount of game hunted pales in comparison (just reduce it to the absolute necessary culling, however we could ever define that).
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Why are you not fully vegetarian?
Call me unprincipled, but I'll eat a nicer meal with meat in it every couple months because I think it often tastes good. As someone who used to think "it's not a meal if it doesn't include meat" until like 3 years ago, it's a big step for me. Also, just knowing myself, if I say that I can't ever do something again, it just makes it harder for me to not do it (e.g., smoking, which I quit a couple years ago but will still allow myself a cigarette once every 3-4 months). That's not going to work for everyone, but it's what works for me.
Wildlife preservation should be the domain of government departments and not a for-profit organization that has to get funds by destroying parts of the very thing they are trying to preserve. I do understand that there will always be a need to cull at least some invasive species such as wild hogs, but land use and pollution that affect the wildlife the most cannot be managed by local actors alone. There has to be a systemic approach.
From a vegan standpoint, closing down all farms raising livestock would be a great enough change, since I imagine the amount of game hunted pales in comparison (just reduce it to the absolute necessary culling, however we could ever define that).
Both of these would definitely be ideal scenarios, and I think it's good to keep the pressure on governments to protect wildlife and land. It seems to me, though, that a lot of government entities are pretty disinterested in land or wildlife management unless there's a financial incentive for them to do so. Working on this video is as close as I've come to having experience with hunting or wildlife management, but it does seems like private-public cooperation could be useful until local governments would be able to manage these populations themselves (which will require a lot of dedicated, good-hearted humans being involved and a lot of financial investment).
Looks like the credits are listed in the video description, not sure if they were there when you posted this.
Anyway, nice work and congrats! I do the same sort of work and I'm always happy to see skateboarders working in the industry. I've always found it to be a shame how many talented skate filmers never really find a lane for themselves outside of filming/editing skateboarding.
Thanks, man! I actually was doing work that had nothing to do with skateboarding for a long time, and then just letting other people know that I skated ended up with me working on skate-related stuff. So I think I did it backwards, compared to most people.
And yeah, I did see that the credits are in the video description, but if you just watch the embedded link, there aren't any credits on the video itself, so you might not know.
It was an interesting video and an interesting parallel between the disciplines to draw on. Nicely done, it was a well put together piece.
Thank you! Again, I'm still learning about all of this myself, and it's a subject that people feel really passionately about in one direction or another. So it's been interesting to see how people are responding to this, and I appreciate everybody who's taken the time to watch and share their thoughts.
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What a load of shite. He's hardly discovering more spots to expand his skating. He's just finding more ditches in California and not going anywhere else. So over Rowley at this point.
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I was the editor for this video, and it's kind of weird that it doesn't say anywhere on the video itself, but Greg Hunt directed it.
Neither Greg nor I are really into hunting (I'm basically vegetarian), but we wanted to focus on the physical and mental demands of scouting and how that relates to/affects his skateboarding. Geoff definitely does hunt animals and is a paid hunting guide. But he also is conservation-minded, and the scene with the helicopter is, as someone pointed out, about watching migration patterns and showing concern for changes in it. There had been a virus among the sheep population there, and, as Geoff notes, people who pay for the hunts that he guides are helping fund research into how to manage that virus and sustain the population.
Personally, I'm like, "But is that mostly so that you can continue hunting them?" But I think it's not a really a binary thing. Yes, Geoff and his clients definitely want to hunt them. I'm not into that, and I don't have to be. And guided hunts can seem like a somewhat crude way to create funding for research, but it does seem to be pretty effective method. So yeah, it's a complicated subject, and a complicated video, but our goal with focusing less on the act of killing and more on the act of scouting was to hopefully put something out there that's a little more broadly applicable for skateboarders who aren't into hunting but who may be into birding, wildlife photography, hiking, etc.
Definitely happy to talk more about all of this for anybody that has questions!!
Why are you not fully vegetarian?
Yea lol, you can't be 'basically' vegetarian. You either are or you aren't.
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wait, what? saying you quit smoking except for once a quarter isn't quitting, and saying you're basically vegetarian except when you eat meat is just kinda silly.
you're saying i quit smoking except when i smoke, and i don't eat meat except when i do
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I recall meeting a park ranger years back who told me there are far more effective ways of controlling animal populations than hunting, contraception being the primary one. According to him the most hunted species aren't candidates for culling at all, and he was adamant that conservation was a flimsy pretext for people who like to shoot animals. Virtue signalling for hunters, I believe he called it.
I've no idea whether that's true but figured some of you might weigh in.
I suppose I can comment on/supplement what you said here.
True ethical hunters tend to be some of the most astute conservationists and wildland scientists because they spend the most time in wilderness areas. They are aware of trends or changes in native wildlife populations.
Organizations like the national park service and fish and game departments, while also maintaining conservation and scientific approaches to wildlife and land management, are also largely revenue driven. You see it a lot with upland bird species for example. Pheasants are non-native birds from China that out-compete native birds like sage grouse and sharp tail grouse. Other things like resource development and farming (there you go vegetarians) cause damage to wild species habitats as well. So really its just a matter of philosophy on management and balance. You can still hunt sage grouse in almost all western states even though they are critically endangered. You can also drive paved roads all throughout national parks. Why? Because agencies need money from tourism. A few years ago, there was a huge issue with wolves in MT and some other western states. All the overzealous land owners pushed for population control and hunted them heavily. Now we see huge herds of elk and bison infected with brucellosis and other diseases because of over hunting of the wolves. Again...money vs balance.
To summarize, most park rangers are law enforcement more so than biologists and eco systems experts. Therefore they are not any kind of authority of wildlife populations or environmental balance. Its hard to be anti-hunting as you sit in your 60 foot RV in Yellowstone eating a kale and quinoa salad watching a 60inch tv.
True conservation would mean making all national forest wilderness areas with foot only traffic and minimal trail maintenance. That said, I’ve hunted my entire life and I’ve never shot a predator. Shooting mountain lions, bears, etc. is bad karma. I eat what I shoot. I ate bear and it tasted like greasy pork. I ate mountain lion and it tasted like pork/chicken. Not my thing though. I also despise the guiding industry as they lobby to privatize and monetize public lands. Not sure why I wrote any of this but why the hell not.
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wait, what? saying you quit smoking except for once a quarter isn't quitting, and saying you're basically vegetarian except when you eat meat is just kinda silly.
you're saying i quit smoking except when i smoke, and i don't eat meat except when i do
I suppose that is what I said. I should have said, "I eat mostly vegetables" and "I cut down from a full pack a day to 3-4 cigarettes a year." I'll make sure to not count myself among the vegetarian or non-smoking communities going forward. Appreciate everybody going in to keep me in check with my verbiage.
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It is only a matter of time before he goes for the ultimate thrill. The most dangerous game. A man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKb7Hyus5-Y
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I got baaad blisters on my toes from his solo shoe.
Rapidweld was a good comeback though
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This sounds similar to a lot of his interviews. Wasn't much new in it. It's mostly a really long ad. As an aside, can anyone explain why people hunt predatory animals like big cats? He had a book about that. I can kinda understand why you might shoot animals you eat but why a big cat, which most hunters don't eat?
the thrill of the hunt MAN. you've never gotten a boner bigger than when you (and the 15 people you hired to actually help you) are able to corner an animal that's terrified and shoot it so that you can brag about it on instagram and pretend you're a survivor that's providing for his family
I grew up with with a hunting family. Mostly pheasant and deer in the Midwest. My father moved to Alaska when I was seven. I spent time with him hunting bear and moose up there. It was long before like atv assisted hunting which is fucking terrible and in my opinion should be illegal. I only back archery style in nature hunting. We always have eaten all animals we kill. Cleaning/field dressing large animals to extract them from the wild is gnarly. Moose , elk, deer and pheasant are pretty good if you’re a meat eater. Bear is the worst, so greasy and terrible. Every summer I spent with my pops I had to bear sausage. My father and I no longer hunt and it’s funny as fuck to me how he makes fun of tourist hunters in AK. Moral of my rant is there no reason to ever kill a big cat unless it is about to kill your family. Cat hunting is for kooks!
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i haven't had a chance to watch the Rowley clip, but will.
i'm a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan of about 30 years, and i have no problem with most hunting--as long as all/most of the animal is being utilized and as much consideration goes into minimizing suffering in the process of killing it, then far be it for me to criticize...
...after all--as i say above--i'm a vegetarian who has lived in American urban environments the vast majority of life (like most vegetarians i've known), so i'm the privileged aberration on the planet--there's nothing natural or sustainable about how i live and eat (or anyone like me), unlike a lot of hunters who would have to be included in this conversation.
fuck all of those "canned" hunts and rich assholes going after endangered species and drugged animals, etc., but that's a given, isn't it? in this regard, anyone ever read this?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zb7mqrK8L.jpg)
it's on my shelf and i need to reread--it's been a while, but i remember the chapters on factory farms and canned hunting being pretty jarring. also, surprisingly enough, dude's coming at it from a kind of conservative, religious background--he was George W. Bush's speech writer, and of course, we all probably understand where the whole burden of "dominion" idea is derived....nonetheless, i've always kind of considered this imperative reading for anyone who cares about all of the critters that we are fortunate enough to share the planet with...
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Off topic, don't buy Yeti shit. There's shit just as good for like a third of the price.
lol, yeah but they look like shit. what is this goofy voltron looking shit?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0343/7179/7125/products/ENGTPU-3_2dea6507-bf1a-4727-8540-b6856e8e0443_1024x.jpg?v=1584478346)
yeti is a luxury brand. your paying for a more polished stylish option. it's like apple or bose in the ice chest space. what would you rather be carrying around? the bags above or this one:
(https://thegadgetflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Yeti-Hopper-M30-Durable-Soft-Cooler-01-1200x800.jpg)
also like most luxury brand their customer service is great. my wife got me a bag like the one above for fathers day 4 years ago and after 2 years the zipper broke and they sent me the new model no questions asked. 2 years later, zipper broke again, i called and they sent me the newest model. that's 3 bags over 4 years for 300 bucks and with this brand new bag i'll probably be good for another 2 years or so. yeti's one of the best brands out right now. bose used to be sick like this but now they won't exchange anything.
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wait, what? saying you quit smoking except for once a quarter isn't quitting, and saying you're basically vegetarian except when you eat meat is just kinda silly.
you're saying i quit smoking except when i smoke, and i don't eat meat except when i do
I suppose that is what I said. I should have said, "I eat mostly vegetables" and "I cut down from a full pack a day to 3-4 cigarettes a year." I'll make sure to not count myself among the vegetarian or non-smoking communities going forward. Appreciate everybody going in to keep me in check with my verbiage.
if u only smoke 3-4 cigs a year you quit in my book
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wait, what? saying you quit smoking except for once a quarter isn't quitting, and saying you're basically vegetarian except when you eat meat is just kinda silly.
you're saying i quit smoking except when i smoke, and i don't eat meat except when i do
I suppose that is what I said. I should have said, "I eat mostly vegetables" and "I cut down from a full pack a day to 3-4 cigarettes a year." I'll make sure to not count myself among the vegetarian or non-smoking communities going forward. Appreciate everybody going in to keep me in check with my verbiage.
Yea, I’ll have one at a show or when catching up with old friends.
It is enjoyable, but only when you’re smoking. If you’re not but someone else is in the car or something, it sucks.
Haven’t bought a pack in 5 years. I probably have 10 smokes a year. So I guess haven’t quit, still have one on occasion.
Now weed, different story. I smoke everyday, way too much, currently cutting back.
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i haven't had a chance to watch the Rowley clip, but will.
i'm a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan of about 30 years, and i have no problem with most hunting--as long as all/most of the animal is being utilized and as much consideration goes into minimizing suffering in the process of killing it, then far be it for me to criticize...
...after all--as i say above--i'm a vegetarian who has lived in American urban environments the vast majority of life (like most vegetarians i've known), so i'm the privileged aberration on the planet--there's nothing natural or sustainable about how i live and eat (or anyone like me), unlike a lot of hunters who would have to be included in this conversation.
fuck all of those "canned" hunts and rich assholes going after endangered species and drugged animals, etc., but that's a given, isn't it? in this regard, anyone ever read this?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zb7mqrK8L.jpg)
it's on my shelf and i need to reread--it's been a while, but i remember the chapters on factory farms and canned hunting being pretty jarring. also, surprisingly enough, dude's coming at it from a kind of conservative, religious background--he was George W. Bush's speech writer, and of course, we all probably understand where the whole burden of "dominion" idea is derived....nonetheless, i've always kind of considered this imperative reading for anyone who cares about all of the critters that we are fortunate enough to share the planet with...
Ok, but you happily eat dairy and eggs? The dairy and egg industry is extreme factory farming.
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i haven't had a chance to watch the Rowley clip, but will.
i'm a full-time vegetarian/part-time vegan of about 30 years, and i have no problem with most hunting--as long as all/most of the animal is being utilized and as much consideration goes into minimizing suffering in the process of killing it, then far be it for me to criticize...
...after all--as i say above--i'm a vegetarian who has lived in American urban environments the vast majority of life (like most vegetarians i've known), so i'm the privileged aberration on the planet--there's nothing natural or sustainable about how i live and eat (or anyone like me), unlike a lot of hunters who would have to be included in this conversation.
fuck all of those "canned" hunts and rich assholes going after endangered species and drugged animals, etc., but that's a given, isn't it? in this regard, anyone ever read this?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zb7mqrK8L.jpg)
it's on my shelf and i need to reread--it's been a while, but i remember the chapters on factory farms and canned hunting being pretty jarring. also, surprisingly enough, dude's coming at it from a kind of conservative, religious background--he was George W. Bush's speech writer, and of course, we all probably understand where the whole burden of "dominion" idea is derived....nonetheless, i've always kind of considered this imperative reading for anyone who cares about all of the critters that we are fortunate enough to share the planet with...
Ok, but you happily eat dairy and eggs? The dairy and egg industry is extreme factory farming.
huh?
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wait, what? saying you quit smoking except for once a quarter isn't quitting, and saying you're basically vegetarian except when you eat meat is just kinda silly.
you're saying i quit smoking except when i smoke, and i don't eat meat except when i do
I suppose that is what I said. I should have said, "I eat mostly vegetables" and "I cut down from a full pack a day to 3-4 cigarettes a year." I'll make sure to not count myself among the vegetarian or non-smoking communities going forward. Appreciate everybody going in to keep me in check with my verbiage.
Yea, I’ll have one at a show or when catching up with old friends.
It is enjoyable, but only when you’re smoking. If you’re not but someone else is in the car or something, it sucks.
Haven’t bought a pack in 5 years. I probably have 10 smokes a year. So I guess haven’t quit, still have one on occasion.
Now weed, different story. I smoke everyday, way too much, currently cutting back.
to me that’s still pretty much quitting. You’re not spending money, u don’t always smell like shit, and i think it’s pretty safe to say your 10 cigs a year aren’t gonna give u cancer. When i think of quitting i think like quitting the habit of habitually smoking which it sounds like u did
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If you rarely eat meat and are mostly vegetarian yes you are still vegetarian.
If you barely smoke but still have a few a year yes you are a non smoker because that is the predominant lifestyle choice you made.
I don't understand why that dude was being so snarky about it.
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If you rarely eat meat and are mostly vegetarian yes you are still vegetarian.
If you barely smoke but still have a few a year yes you are a non smoker because that is the predominant lifestyle choice you made.
I don't understand why that dude was being so snarky about it.
lol no you're literally not. the smoking thing is whatever, different ideas.
but being 'mostly' vegetarian is not a thing. that just means you don't eat a lot of meat.
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Does eating meat ever in your life bar you from holding "vegetarian" status?
Seriously, why even bother policing this shit? What does it even matter?
If someone likes to avoid or reduce their meat intake, let them. If they eat meat, who the fuck cares? Are they all of a sudden wrong because of that?
Geoff seems to have a higher level of respect for nature and animals than your average person. And from my point of view he hasn't done anything more egregious towards animals than your average person either.
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Perfect example of vegetarians and vegans being so self righteous.
Shouldn't you be encouraging him for minimising his meat consumption instead of chastising him for occasionally enjoying a steak?
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Does eating meat ever in your life bar you from holding "vegetarian" status?
No, but you don’t get gold star status like gay men and women who have never dabbled in heterosexual sex before (say before they were out)
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i know i'm letting myself get too worked up about this, but alas, i am.
eating meat before you went veggie/vegan doesn't discount you. i went vegan 6 years ago, and before that, my favorite meal was a double double with a chocolate milkshake
but, titles have meaning. maybe they're only important to some, but they are. i love the idea that people are reducing meat consumption. i understand going vegan isn't feasible for everyone. hell, i don't have an enormous problem with hunters that actually hunt their own meat. they understand the process and where their food comes from.
but saying you're veggie or vegan but eating meat some times is just not true. you can say you eat mostly veggies, that's true. but saying you're vegetarian or vegan has certain ethical assumptions that come along with it, and sometimes eating meat undercuts those.