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I’ve been trying to get tailslides for a few weeks now and I’ve been really struggling, at this point I’ve gotten the motion of getting the tail onto the ledge onto the ledge but I can’t really lock in. All my tail does in just slap down off the ledge and I end up doing a snowboard style tail bonk on the ledge.
I really struggle with getting my weight over my back foot while doing the 90 degree turn when I try to turn frontside my weight naturally shifts towards my front foot as I rotate, however if I try to consciously put my weight over my back foot I pop super rocket and can’t really get my board over the ledge. Anyone have any tips? I really haven’t been able to wrap my head around these.
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I’ve been trying to get tailslides for a few weeks now and I’ve been really struggling, at this point I’ve gotten the motion of getting the tail onto the ledge onto the ledge but I can’t really lock in. All my tail does in just slap down off the ledge and I end up doing a snowboard style tail bonk on the ledge.
I really struggle with getting my weight over my back foot while doing the 90 degree turn when I try to turn frontside my weight naturally shifts towards my front foot as I rotate, however if I try to consciously put my weight over my back foot I pop super rocket and can’t really get my board over the ledge. Anyone have any tips? I really haven’t been able to wrap my head around these.
I think you gotta think about it as if you'd be hopping stairs sideways on one leg (your back leg). Jumping from your back leg to your back leg. When you pop concentrate on not using your front leg. Just kinda fold your front leg from under you to give your board room to ollie, but all the pop comes from your back leg. Your center of mass stays pinched over your back leg throughout the trick.
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I never think of it as a 90 degree ollie in, I snap the ollie like any other ollie then focus on aiming the tail for the ledge. It’s super important to really hold most of your weight on the edge of the tail once you’re there. Once you’re comfortable popping into it, if you’re wanting to come out to regs make sure the ledge is sufficiently waxed on the top and side so you aren’t sticking and falling forward. I’d recommend that you should try to work out the motion of popping into tail stall and staying on it until you purposely can pop out on a small ledge or curb to work your way up to a proper front tailslide.
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open up your back foot at an angle, and come towards whatever youre sliding at a slight angle
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I’ve been trying to get tailslides for a few weeks now and I’ve been really struggling, at this point I’ve gotten the motion of getting the tail onto the ledge onto the ledge but I can’t really lock in. All my tail does in just slap down off the ledge and I end up doing a snowboard style tail bonk on the ledge.
I really struggle with getting my weight over my back foot while doing the 90 degree turn when I try to turn frontside my weight naturally shifts towards my front foot as I rotate, however if I try to consciously put my weight over my back foot I pop super rocket and can’t really get my board over the ledge. Anyone have any tips? I really haven’t been able to wrap my head around these.
I think you gotta think about it as if you'd be hopping stairs sideways on one leg (your back leg). Jumping from your back leg to your back leg. When you pop concentrate on not using your front leg. Just kinda fold your front leg from under you to give your board room to ollie, but all the pop comes from your back leg. Your center of mass stays pinched over your back leg throughout the trick.
Yes on this. I haven't put the effort into getting them back but when trying them in my youth - too much focus on the front foot to get the turn would have me doing shitty slides on the ledge. I would slide but come out fakie and never be able to control it at all. When I did finally get them I remember putting most of my energy and attention to my back foot and getting it up and on the ledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1RPRK5if-A&ab_channel=SKATEHACKS
His slow-mo videos are good, but really observe the direction his front foot drags.
Front foot - inwards and to the side instead of forward and out
Back foot - up and on
Even though the trick is conceptually is similar to a FS Lipslide, FS 180 into a ledge / rail, they operate very differently.
FS Lipslide is more of a power trick - you can really pop above the rail and rotate hard into the trick since you have the entire width of your board to control and adjust the slide, so you're less likely to just stick and stall.
FS Tailslides feel more like a technique / finesse trick - movement of the feet is delicate to guide the tail gently onto the ledge. Too high and you slam your tail in and stick.
Shoulders should be mostly parallel, maybe leading shoulder pointing slightly into the ledge to "pre-wind" your shoulder for the rotation.
Damn all this talk has got me hankering to get them going again this weekend! Coming out regular, none of that Fakie nonsense. (JK my tailslides are shitty and mainly come out fakie)
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Roll up to the ledge. Pop an ollie, turn frontside and put your tail on the ledge. Slide, and roll away clean.
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throwing your shoulders seems like the big thing. unlike 50s and 5 0s you have throw your entire body weight 90 and over the ledge. i think they are easier on transition and it's the same motion with your shoulders. might try learning them there
on curbs i learned by tweaking 5 0s more and more
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Roll up to the ledge. Pop an ollie, turn frontside and put your tail on the ledge. Slide, and roll away clean.
Are you Willy Santos from the Birdhouse website circa 2002 using Quicktime video? I loved and loathed those videos.
I managed to land a few FS tailsides to fakie after not touching them for 8 months. I had my front foot in an exaggerated angle like I was almost knocking the knees on my popping leg. That forced me to drag sideways and flat almost folding my ankle on itself, instead out too far forward. This let me focus on getting my back foot just high enough over the ledge so I didn't slam in and stick.
Edit: I had my focus on my front popping leg to get a good sideways drag, probably got away with shitty form because the ledge was pretty low. I'll work on them again on a higher ledge tomorrow and report back.
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
Doing a long one to regular is the best feeling in the world.
Worked on them on a taller ledge and managed to get a few in the bag to fakie. Rolling parallel helped but most important was the drag of the front foot. I knew I could trust my back foot to pop hard enough to get on, i just had to focus more of mental focus on getting a solid drag. Exaggerated setup position almost knocking my popping knee, folded ankle position, drag sideway almost perpendicular to the ledge. The lock and slide came a lot easier.
I used to think of it like a lipslide - pop up high and stomp your tail on. I would also drag ahead of myself and tried scooping the board, resulting in slip outs, over-rotations and the board not coming up high enough.
If anyone has pointers on how to get better exits to regular let me know please.
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I work on these more than any other ledge trick and I still can’t sit on them like I want to. Usually just a couple feet then fall out to regular.
It’s mildly upsetting because that for how much I like the trick and how much I work on it, I know that I don’t really fully “have” them since I’m too much of a scrub to be able to sit on them and take them around to fakie.
So I do the next best thing: occasionally whine about it on the internet to strangers.
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
Doing a long one to regular is the best feeling in the world.
Worked on them on a taller ledge and managed to get a few in the bag to fakie. Rolling parallel helped but most important was the drag of the front foot. I knew I could trust my back foot to pop hard enough to get on, i just had to focus more of mental focus on getting a solid drag. Exaggerated setup position almost knocking my popping knee, folded ankle position, drag sideway almost perpendicular to the ledge. The lock and slide came a lot easier.
I used to think of it like a lipslide - pop up high and stomp your tail on. I would also drag ahead of myself and tried scooping the board, resulting in slip outs, over-rotations and the board not coming up high enough.
If anyone has pointers on how to get better exits to regular let me know please.
I’ve been using your trick of trying to get that front foot to open up perpendicular and I’ve made some significant progress with the trick, can you elaborate on what you mean by “knocking your popping knee” though? I agree it’s important to get a solid pop though and not scoop, I need to break the habit of scooping into them I always end up in the backseat, it makes it impossible to lock in and on anything higher than a curb you don’t get any pop and will slip out.
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
Doing a long one to regular is the best feeling in the world.
Worked on them on a taller ledge and managed to get a few in the bag to fakie. Rolling parallel helped but most important was the drag of the front foot. I knew I could trust my back foot to pop hard enough to get on, i just had to focus more of mental focus on getting a solid drag. Exaggerated setup position almost knocking my popping knee, folded ankle position, drag sideway almost perpendicular to the ledge. The lock and slide came a lot easier.
I used to think of it like a lipslide - pop up high and stomp your tail on. I would also drag ahead of myself and tried scooping the board, resulting in slip outs, over-rotations and the board not coming up high enough.
If anyone has pointers on how to get better exits to regular let me know please.
Yeah scoopng only works for low ledges and results in coping dancing - barely slide, no lock in, come out fakie. Too much pop and you end up under-rotated (tail smacks the side of the ledge) or too high above the ledge (stick and slam).
I point my dragging foot / shin at a slight angle (10 degrees) instead of having it completely straight and parallel with my popping foot, so it looks like my knees are touching. It's something I tried yesterday to help me focus on dragging perpendicular to the ledge and to get the bent ankle position.
I rolled really parallel with the ledge yesterday and managed to get a decent slide out to fakie, I'll try going at a slight angle into the ledge to control my board / body rotation which should give better control when coming our regular.
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
Doing a long one to regular is the best feeling in the world.
Worked on them on a taller ledge and managed to get a few in the bag to fakie. Rolling parallel helped but most important was the drag of the front foot. I knew I could trust my back foot to pop hard enough to get on, i just had to focus more of mental focus on getting a solid drag. Exaggerated setup position almost knocking my popping knee, folded ankle position, drag sideway almost perpendicular to the ledge. The lock and slide came a lot easier.
I used to think of it like a lipslide - pop up high and stomp your tail on. I would also drag ahead of myself and tried scooping the board, resulting in slip outs, over-rotations and the board not coming up high enough.
If anyone has pointers on how to get better exits to regular let me know please.
No joke, I trick my brain to get good pop outs to regular by telling myself to lean as if I’m doing it to fakie, then at the last minute exiting regular instead. It helps avoid the stick and fall forward a lot.
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
Doing a long one to regular is the best feeling in the world.
Worked on them on a taller ledge and managed to get a few in the bag to fakie. Rolling parallel helped but most important was the drag of the front foot. I knew I could trust my back foot to pop hard enough to get on, i just had to focus more of mental focus on getting a solid drag. Exaggerated setup position almost knocking my popping knee, folded ankle position, drag sideway almost perpendicular to the ledge. The lock and slide came a lot easier.
I used to think of it like a lipslide - pop up high and stomp your tail on. I would also drag ahead of myself and tried scooping the board, resulting in slip outs, over-rotations and the board not coming up high enough.
If anyone has pointers on how to get better exits to regular let me know please.
No joke, I trick my brain to get good pop outs to regular by telling myself to lean as if I’m doing it to fakie, then at the last minute exiting regular instead. It helps avoid the stick and fall forward a lot.
I wish I could tailslide long enough to have the time to trick my brain into coming out a specific way. When I first learned them I could only come out fakie (coping dance). Then I put a lot of effort into getting a solid lock on the tail, so I would only slide less than a foot but came out regular. At 34, I think I'm ready for both.
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The whole idea of sitting on anything is beyond me....tail, even nose, crook.....the only thing I can do for any length is 50-50's.....I'm pretty much never hanging out on top....
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I've been neglecting my front tails a lot this past year regs and switch. Feel like was partially related to trying a bunch of different shapes, some of which had tails that were too pointy and small. Definitely an important staple trick to have in the bag, super versatile and satisfying. I think that coming out regular is much lazier than holding one and getting a good pop out to fakie, which looks much better imo.
Doing a long one to regular is the best feeling in the world.
Worked on them on a taller ledge and managed to get a few in the bag to fakie. Rolling parallel helped but most important was the drag of the front foot. I knew I could trust my back foot to pop hard enough to get on, i just had to focus more of mental focus on getting a solid drag. Exaggerated setup position almost knocking my popping knee, folded ankle position, drag sideway almost perpendicular to the ledge. The lock and slide came a lot easier.
I used to think of it like a lipslide - pop up high and stomp your tail on. I would also drag ahead of myself and tried scooping the board, resulting in slip outs, over-rotations and the board not coming up high enough.
If anyone has pointers on how to get better exits to regular let me know please.
I struggled with these until I realized like you, it's all in the front foot drag. I ollie straight, then the drag brings the board up and around and I just concentrate on keeping the back foot on the tail and where I'm gonna land on the ledge. Before that I felt like I was trying to pop shuv-it onto the ledge which gave me no control or ability to do it on anything high.
The big thing for me on getting longer slides was to aim way forward on the ledge. You'll probably slip out on a few (I find these fairly easy to catch yourself), but it helps me a lot especially on Thunders so I'm not getting on the ledge until I'm 90 degrees. The guy I know who has the best tailslides is ollie-ing like 2 feet forward onto the ledge.
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I got into what I’d consider my first two real tailslides today, I stopped trying to sort of 90 into the ledge and instead setup exactly like a 50-50 and after I popped and was above the ledge I swung my front leg open (like some other people in the thread were saying) and was able to slide a bit, these felt way different and more like a proper tail side than what I was doing before. I actually made some noticeable progress today.
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I got into what I’d consider my first two real tailslides today, I stopped trying to sort of 90 into the ledge and instead setup exactly like a 50-50 and after I popped and was above the ledge I swung my front leg open (like some other people in the thread were saying) and was able to slide a bit, these felt way different and more like a proper tail side than what I was doing before. I actually made some noticeable progress today.
We did it boys, /thread.
Stoked for you, a proper tailslide feels very different from shitty ones where you just continue rolling out fakie or slide less than a foot and come off normal.
Now I just have to apply this to BS Tailslides, same theories should apply. I only do shit ones on low ledges where I get by with scooping my tail in, definitely not viable as you go up ledge height.
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I got into what I’d consider my first two real tailslides today, I stopped trying to sort of 90 into the ledge and instead setup exactly like a 50-50 and after I popped and was above the ledge I swung my front leg open (like some other people in the thread were saying) and was able to slide a bit, these felt way different and more like a proper tail side than what I was doing before. I actually made some noticeable progress today.
We did it boys, /thread.
Stoked for you, a proper tailslide feels very different from shitty ones where you just continue rolling out fakie or slide less than a foot and come off normal.
Now I just have to apply this to BS Tailslides, same theories should apply. I only do shit ones on low ledges where I get by with scooping my tail in, definitely not viable as you go up ledge height.
bs tails are definitely next on my list, I’m probably just talking out my ass here but even though they are scary to do because you are going in blind, it seems like the motion of popping up and then closing your front leg to place the tail on the ledge feels a lot more natural than how you do it for front tails
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I got into what I’d consider my first two real tailslides today, I stopped trying to sort of 90 into the ledge and instead setup exactly like a 50-50 and after I popped and was above the ledge I swung my front leg open (like some other people in the thread were saying) and was able to slide a bit, these felt way different and more like a proper tail side than what I was doing before. I actually made some noticeable progress today.
We did it boys, /thread.
Stoked for you, a proper tailslide feels very different from shitty ones where you just continue rolling out fakie or slide less than a foot and come off normal.
Now I just have to apply this to BS Tailslides, same theories should apply. I only do shit ones on low ledges where I get by with scooping my tail in, definitely not viable as you go up ledge height.
I've spent lots of time trying to get them anywhere near good enough, BS tricks are harder for me psychologically so I've had to tell myself to just commit to the pop. The thought of approaching something blindside gets to me, so I end up not popping my board at all. Once I start popping, my mind knows I can get up high enough to do the trick and from there its fine turning the body mechanics and timing. Then layering in more speed, getting into the ledge earlier and sliding further.
Coincidentally I came across this thread in UWTB:
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Can someone please break down back tails. I've been skating 20 years and never got them locked and now I just fling at it. Where should I be looking or have my head. in front toward the ledge? down at my back foot?
Took me forever to master them, but now it's the only trick I know how to do. I found out over time that many people's problem is that they get too on top of the ledge and stop sliding. The "hint" is to lean away from the ledge almost like a back 180 next to the ledge and just stick your tail on to the ledge. Your body should not really be on top of the ledge at all. I don't know if this makes sense, but i had this epiphany now it makes sense for me. Hope that helps cause they're a fun trick.
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On a low ledge, scoop the tail and face the upper left bolt roughly.
On a higher ledge, pop 90 and do the same fuckin thing.
To come out fakie be looking at the right bolt
Im regs so reverse this if goofy
The trick to bs tails is to not turn your upper body. Only your lower body. When sliding, you'll essentially be looking down your target line, in a sense. Same with fs nose slides.
Look at Kenny and Carroll's posture.
(https://noneco.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/www-noneco-com284.jpg)
I've always been impressed with Jon Allie's BS Tailslide at 1:29
https://youtu.be/9dibBsXQBas?t=89
shoulders parallel with the ledge, the rotation is all hips and lower body.
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BSTS is worthy of its own thread....shit, back 50-50 is a thread I could have used awhile back.....
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BSTS is worthy of its own thread....shit, back 50-50 is a thread I could have used awhile back.....
I'm all for having a separate trick tip section with each trick being its own topic. First post could be all the foundational tricks needed.
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I asked the mods to create a separate child section for trick tips, looking forward to hearing the good stuff from you guys there.
@admin do you think we can move this over?
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I asked the mods to create a separate child section for trick tips, looking forward to hearing the good stuff from you guys there.
@admin do you think we can move this over?
Done
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Thanks for tips i used to always bonk the toeside corner of my truck into the ledge and just bonk out to regular. Pointing toe and winding the shoulder helps it actually 'lock in' right like parallel on baseplate
any tips on sliding more? most tries i either just bonk right off or slide like maybe a couple inches or i get on and its super icy and i hang on slide out fakie.
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You have to expose yourself to the sliding sensation so that your brain and body can process and react to the situation in a controlled manner. TLDR: You gotta put in the hours.
And maybe get some indy's or some other truck that have a baseplate protruding further out then the wheels.
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Just thought I would add in some observations I had practicing them today.
Locking your tail in - Everytime I did a big swinging FS 180 motion my tail would lock onto the ledge further and away from my back foot. I would stick and get pitched forward. I focused on getting my front door to drag sideways instead of too far ahead and that helped me get a solid lock / baseplate slide.
Eye point - Eyeballing where you want to lock your tail is really helpful. Looking far ahead feels natural since you're riding with speed and your eyes are going to be draw ahead to avoid danger. Just look slightly ahead of where you want to lock your tail, too far ahead and you'll stick your tail or won't get enough on your pop.
Coming out regular - been getting them to fakie very consistent probably 6/10 which is good by my standards but I wanted to get them good on both exits. I tried entering more parallel or angled, didn't help the exit. What helped was how far back I positioned my front foot. Coming out fakie I could position my front foot a good inches behind my front bolts, giving me lots of room to get drag and get high on the ledge. Downside was my weight was still on the lower half of my board so the momentum carried me and the board our to take. Putting my front foot a little further up the board (1 to 2 inches behind the front bolts) allowed my weight to evenly distributed across the board, so exits to forward didn't feel like I was fighting physics. Having my front should pointing slightly forward helped guide my hips, legs, feet and board to exit forward.
I visualized Heath Kircharts FS tailside on the curved rail on Sight Unseen when thinking of how my front shoulder should point.
See 2:07
https://youtu.be/IvqgS2a-Jbs
Edit: typos
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Man these are a whole different game on actual ledges as opposed to curbs, today I was trying them on a decent sized ledge, I have some mental block when I try to pop into a tailslide even on a curb which normally takes 0 effort for me to pop on to I will end up under Ollieing and tapping the side of the curb. Tomorrow I’m recalling going to try and break the trick into two parts, the pop and then opening my front leg, I think if I can do that they will be much easier and more consistent.
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i been working on these and have some takeaways
1. angle the back foot outwards, helps a lot with the rotation
2. aim further out foward. I would always bash the edge of the baseplate into the coping under-rotated, but once you start aiming forward more it gives the board the space needed to turn fully and get the baseplate properly locked into the ledge
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Man these are a whole different game on actual ledges as opposed to curbs, today I was trying them on a decent sized ledge, I have some mental block when I try to pop into a tailslide even on a curb which normally takes 0 effort for me to pop on to I will end up under Ollieing and tapping the side of the curb. Tomorrow I’m recalling going to try and break the trick into two parts, the pop and then opening my front leg, I think if I can do that they will be much easier and more consistent.
THIS! I feel your pain.
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A quick note on holding tailsides-focus on landing the ball of your foot on the ledge, then placing your foot flat as you're sliding. This was a game changer for me; if you try to land with a flat foot on the ledge you either slip out or stick. The ball of the foot gives you the ability to fitness it and then you can just plant your foot when you're sliding.
This has been said in other posts but it's crucial to Ollie and then turn and place your truck on the ledge. Approaching the ledge fairly parallel is the key to coming out to regular; much harder when you come in a carve or at an angle.
Good luck all!
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Man these are a whole different game on actual ledges as opposed to curbs, today I was trying them on a decent sized ledge, I have some mental block when I try to pop into a tailslide even on a curb which normally takes 0 effort for me to pop on to I will end up under Ollieing and tapping the side of the curb. Tomorrow I’m recalling going to try and break the trick into two parts, the pop and then opening my front leg, I think if I can do that they will be much easier and more consistent.
THIS! I feel your pain.
I started to get past this today by just practicing 5-0s a lot, get comfortable popping onto high stuff with your weight on the back foot.
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I learned these a couple months back and I learned it in a few steps. Pop your ollie high enough so you can get onto the ledge, look at your backfoot and aim it onto the ledge. Sounds basic af but i swear looking at your backfoot all the way through the trick helps a lot.
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I learned these a couple months back and I learned it in a few steps. Pop your ollie high enough so you can get onto the ledge, look at your backfoot and aim it onto the ledge. Sounds basic af but i swear looking at your backfoot all the way through the trick helps a lot.
Had to get them back after going through some gear madness, where you look is really important to how you lock and slide. Look too far ahead and you'll over-rotate, your board will be far ahead of your body and you'll slip out. Not far enough and you'll under-rotate and stick. I guess-timate aiming around 0.5-1 foot ahead of where you want to lock, since the forward momentum and rotation will be bringing your body forward already.
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pro tip:
when you lock in into fs tail, move your weight onto your heel-side wheel
what often happens when I lock in and slide a bit and then get pitched forward is my toe-side wheel ends up catching a lot on the ledge
I always had the impression that to make a tail slide longer I would have to just lean back but this would cause me to fall backwards or slip off the ledge, once I focussed on kinda pinching it on my heel-side wheel I could slide a lot farther with more control and less wax (especially useful at skateparks where waxing ledges is illegal)
this is also true for noseslides, crooks, and 5-0s. if you pinch your heel-side wheel you end up having a lot more control cuz ur still centred over the ledge but getting a bit more stability rather than if ur on ur toes. you can use ur forefoot/toes to pop out with way more ease
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Man these are a whole different game on actual ledges as opposed to curbs, today I was trying them on a decent sized ledge, I have some mental block when I try to pop into a tailslide even on a curb which normally takes 0 effort for me to pop on to I will end up under Ollieing and tapping the side of the curb. Tomorrow I’m recalling going to try and break the trick into two parts, the pop and then opening my front leg, I think if I can do that they will be much easier and more consistent.
After some time I realized it's really the same thing (assuming your wheels don't touch the ground on the curb), the real issue is building up the pop and control so you can stick your legs out the same way you would do on a curb. It's that thing where you want your whole body to rise with the ollie instead of bending your legs to cheat those extra inches you need, I can't really do them like a 50-50 where you can land all crouched on the ledge if you don't go high enough. There's probably a ton of people that can bend their knees a bit more getting up the ledge, but to me it just doesn't work.
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What about switch? I can do switch 50-50's....get lucky on a switch 5-0....
Is switch front tail actually a switch tail? Or is it switch 180 to noseslide? People do this trick so easy...
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What about switch? I can do switch 50-50's....get lucky on a switch 5-0....
Is switch front tail actually a switch tail? Or is it switch 180 to noseslide? People do this trick so easy...
Got my thinking. Switch 50s are ok for me, switch noseslides feel scary but switch tailslides seem less so since the weight feels more like a regular noseslide
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What about switch? I can do switch 50-50's....get lucky on a switch 5-0....
Is switch front tail actually a switch tail? Or is it switch 180 to noseslide? People do this trick so easy...
Got my thinking. Switch 50s are ok for me, switch noseslides feel scary but switch tailslides seem less so since the weight feels more like a regular noseslide
I definitely approach them like a switch ollie/180 into a noseslide, otherwise I won’t get the snap necessary. Consequently, since I’m thinking switch 180 into a noseslide I only ever get them out to regular and not back to switch because it’s the natural follow through of the switch 180 I guess
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I think you gotta think about it as if you'd be hopping stairs sideways on one leg (your back leg). Jumping from your back leg to your back leg. When you pop concentrate on not using your front leg. Just kinda fold your front leg from under you to give your board room to ollie, but all the pop comes from your back leg. Your center of mass stays pinched over your back leg throughout the trick.
This made so much sense to me last night reading it, and definitely helped this morning when I put it to practice. The trick is still nonexistent but I can make more sense of how to get into them now.
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I think you gotta think about it as if you'd be hopping stairs sideways on one leg (your back leg). Jumping from your back leg to your back leg. When you pop concentrate on not using your front leg. Just kinda fold your front leg from under you to give your board room to ollie, but all the pop comes from your back leg. Your center of mass stays pinched over your back leg throughout the trick.
This made so much sense to me last night reading it, and definitely helped this morning when I put it to practice. The trick is still nonexistent but I can make more sense of how to get into them now.
Bumping this because it’s the trick I’m working on the most still. One thing I did to work on the “jumping from back foot to back foot” was to roll up to the ledge, pop with my back foot, do nothing with my front foot so my board wouldn’t follow me, and just land right on the ledge with my back foot only and balance there. Lots of reps of this in an empty skate park in the morning haha.
I can lock in about 90% of the time now but I’m still too chicken shit to go faster and actually slide the thing. Looking at some video of myself I think I’m doing TOO much with with front foot also, bringing my nose up a little too high. I’m gonna work on folding it under like was talked about elsewhere in the thread.
Y’all have helped me get so close to one of my dream tricks. Just need more reps. Thanks pals.
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I think you gotta think about it as if you'd be hopping stairs sideways on one leg (your back leg). Jumping from your back leg to your back leg. When you pop concentrate on not using your front leg. Just kinda fold your front leg from under you to give your board room to ollie, but all the pop comes from your back leg. Your center of mass stays pinched over your back leg throughout the trick.
This made so much sense to me last night reading it, and definitely helped this morning when I put it to practice. The trick is still nonexistent but I can make more sense of how to get into them now.
Bumping this because it’s the trick I’m working on the most still. One thing I did to work on the “jumping from back foot to back foot” was to roll up to the ledge, pop with my back foot, do nothing with my front foot so my board wouldn’t follow me, and just land right on the ledge with my back foot only and balance there. Lots of reps of this in an empty skate park in the morning haha.
I can lock in about 90% of the time now but I’m still too chicken shit to go faster and actually slide the thing. Looking at some video of myself I think I’m doing TOO much with with front foot also, bringing my nose up a little too high. I’m gonna work on folding it under like was talked about elsewhere in the thread.
Y’all have helped me get so close to one of my dream tricks. Just need more reps. Thanks pals.
Front tails are 75% back foot, 25,% Front foot, getting a sweet slot in from the back foot helps to lock the position and overcome the inertia when your land on top of the ledge.
Front foot: drag up and side ways
Back foot: pop, lift up and slot in
Start with some angle but as you get more comfortable start rolling more parallel. Too much angle and you'll have a tendency to over-rotate your back truck / tail, ending up in some tail scrap / coping dance instead of standing tall on it.
Ride closer to the ledge than you think you should if not you'll end up riding the tip of your tail instead of getting a baseplate slide.
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Been trying them on the top step of a 2 up 2 down lately and really struggling to figure out angles of approach and popping out over the bottom stair to regular, but I'm pretty sure if I can handle them on that then ledges will become easier.
As I continue to try to get these better, I seek out skaters who do them how I want to do em. To me, this guy has some of the best fs tails I've ever seen. I know he takes these to sw crooked and does shit out of them, but it has really helped me to study his shoulders, how he's leaning, front foot/leg movement, and approach angles. Love the tip to put weight on the ball of your foot, I feel like when sliding it helps to have most weight on the instep of your back foot to get that back heelside pinch someone mentioned and really take em for a ride.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMLeOpgFH93/?igshid=1u9193x0lkfpk
Edit: you can clearly see the back heelside wheel pinch in this one. Great study for noseslide technique, too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj2PW2YFT8n/?igshid=16j3cafy02igr
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Edit: you can clearly see the back heelside wheel pinch in this one. Great study for noseslide technique, too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj2PW2YFT8n/?igshid=16j3cafy02igr
Dat weight distribution on the back tail.
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Anyone have some advice for these on banks? Not sure how to get into them, whether to kind of hop a small ollie or slide into it? Much appreciated