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Skateboarding => Skate Questions => Trick Tips => Topic started by: rocklobster on October 23, 2020, 09:11:02 AM
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This trick definitely deserves it's on thread, I'll start it off by inserting the tips which silhouette shared in "Basic Ass Tricks Which Piss You Off" which addresses the most common issues (jumping way ahead of the board, catching on the nose):
Also for those struggling with 360 flips, yesterday at the park I taught two kids how to land their first ones, they had that typical problem of being hunched over the nose so the board would stay behind them. By breaking down the correct posture and alignment for them I realized a good indicator that I've always subconsciously used but never really defined that helped them get their landings instantly, basically before you pop you need to be sitting just as far back (and with a straight back) as so that the knee on your front leg is past your face. Looking straight down your face and vision should be focused on your thigh and nothing past your knee. If you're seeing anything past your knee then the board probably won't go in front of you because you're too hunched over. That fixes your position in a way so that your center of gravity is properly adjusted to the motions of the trick and you can basically just sit through the execution as the board stays under you while flipping (as long as you don't do anything funny with your shoulders and keep them square). I guess the same stands for impossibles as well although I've always just done the latter without overthinking its execution nearly as much.
Doing them recently I realized I was doing them in three mental steps, first mental step is to make sure my front foot is properly nested flat inside the concave at the right angle with the right spot over the center of the board (finding that sweet spot ensures that you won't miss the flick), second step is to make sure the big toe on my back foot comes hugging the tail the right way, third step is locking the shoulders and hips in position to make sure I won't try and body varial away from the trick and the board will stay under me, and if the feeling is right throughout those three steps then I commit for certain because then I know I'm in control of what's going to happen and thus nothing can really go wrong.
IG clip of Ben Degros showing the old school (tougher, more forceful) and new school (easier, more graceful) foot positioning
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAal3TElcvZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Luckily this is my most faithful flatground trick so I don't know about specific issues peoples have, but two things I tell people that generally seem to help are:
1) make sure your trucks are flat, or ever so slightly leaning towards the heel side before you do the trick. If its leaning towards the toe side then it won't work.
2) Scoop in the direction you're rolling, not back. Kinda hard to explain, but if you're regular, instead of trying to scoop 'south' with your back leg, but rather scoop 'west'. If you're goofy, instead of trying to scoop 'south', scoop 'east' as thats the direction you're rolling. Make sure the tail hits the ground and gets a pop too.
I think the latter point helps with the landing on the nose or too far ahead issue. I also have barely any front foot hanging on, dunno how some people do tres with their front foot in almost an ollie position lol.
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Watch Chico not Ben.
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(https://i.imgur.com/yR661gb.mp4)
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The front foot should be completely flat, When I was learning them I would be sort of standing on my toes on my front foot and I never had enough friction to guide the board with my front foot. If you keep the front foot flat on the board you have way more control over the trick and they are way easier to catch.
I honestly might be the only one who’s had this problem but I think it’s an underrated aspect of the trick.
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The front foot should be completely flat, When I was learning them I would be sort of standing on my toes on my front foot and I never had enough friction to guide the board with my front foot. If you keep the front foot flat on the board you have way more control over the trick and they are way easier to catch.
I honestly might be the only one who’s had this problem but I think it’s an underrated aspect of the trick.
Im still really bad at them and can really only get them somewhat reliably on hips, but the flat front foot helps a lot. Board felt way more controlled and if I actually believed in myself I would have been sticking them 4/5 tries in yesterdays session. Was always on my toes before and I think it tenses the body up, keeping the feet flat felt way more relaxed.
As a joke with my buddy I pretended to be wade D and did the pants adjustment before one and for some reason that helped me keep my shoulders square. I guess pretending to be a good skater helps you become better idk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0owlAPHpeYo&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating
I like most things Ben Degros but this 360 flip tutorial was lackluster, the guys on here had way better insight.
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People have to describe 'the scoop' better....there's no way that : imposs, bigspin, back 3, and 3 flip all use the same scoop.....so stop saying it....
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Even when I could do them pretty consistently, I would have to use a lot of muscle to get enough "scoop"
I don't get how people could do them with such little effort
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Even when I could do them pretty consistently, I would have to use a lot of muscle to get enough "scoop"
I don't get how people could do them with such little effort
I still can’t wrap my head around the one Stevie does in his opening line. It looks like he barely taps it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAAWsTeR1s&feature=share
This is one of those tricks that I somewhat had a long time ago, but one day they just disappeared and never came back. It kinda bums me out a little whenever I think about it, haha.
Anyways, thanks to everyone that posted tips. Lots of good, unique suggestions, all of which I’m going to try. Much more helpful than the standard, glib “scoop really hard” advice.
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Scoop
https://youtu.be/rWXu84qAzyA
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360 flips frustrate me so much because I've always been able to do them, but they're never really a "regular" trick that I have. Some times I'll randomly do one first or second try, then the next day it'll look like I've never done one in my life.
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When you have the right weight and pressure distribution and know how to pop/scoop, it starts to feel really light after some practice (in the sense that you don't have to scoop all that hard). Often it feels like about as much work as a pop shuv tbh. Make sure your tail hits the ground, and experiment with how you lean your trucks as well as your body weight distribution and how it affects the motion.
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When you have the right weight and pressure distribution and know how to pop/scoop, it starts to feel really light after some practice (in the sense that you don't have to scoop all that hard). Often it feels like about as much work as a pop shuv tbh. Make sure your tail hits the ground, and experiment with how you lean your trucks as well as your body weight distribution and how it affects the motion.
This right here. On my best days (a few weeks back) i didn't even think about scooping and could focus on my front foot staying out the the way and catching the board.
My friend describes the scoop as a "J" motion, in that your back foot pushes back and then forward (direction you are rolling in), but that's more the older, forceful 360 flip. But if you put too much focus on getting a hard scoop, you end up leaning your head and upper body too far over your board and you'll end up way in front of your board.
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When you have the right weight and pressure distribution and know how to pop/scoop, it starts to feel really light after some practice (in the sense that you don't have to scoop all that hard). Often it feels like about as much work as a pop shuv tbh. Make sure your tail hits the ground, and experiment with how you lean your trucks as well as your body weight distribution and how it affects the motion.
This right here. On my best days (a few weeks back) i didn't even think about scooping and could focus on my front foot staying out the the way and catching the board.
My friend describes the scoop as a "J" motion, in that your back foot pushes back and then forward (direction you are rolling in), but that's more the older, forceful 360 flip. But if you put too much focus on getting a hard scoop, you end up leaning your head and upper body too far over your board and you'll end up way in front of your board.
It varies, but for me, I just think about scooping it in the direction I'm rolling, no J motion, just straight in the direction I'm rolling while making sure the tail hits the ground.
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Just figured them out from CCS Dale Decker's video and watching Ben Degros video. When they say it's the scoop it really is about that but something more.
Some people think it's like a BS shuv or something similar No it's like you're a flamingo scooping it high and bringing your back foot towards your groin area.
I landed them a few in a row and it was amazing I'm excited to have these in my bag now.
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watch josh kalis do them
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watch josh kalis do them
brian anderson has got a really good one, too.
but more importantly, i'm just thankful that everyone is calling them "360 flips" and NOT "tre flips." Even worse is calling them "tre bombs," those people need to be castrated.
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watch josh kalis do them
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslycLzrphg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslycLzrphg)
"smack that tail like a son of a bitch"
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What are tips on getting over 360 flip chicken foot? My problem is that I almost always successfully rotate them, but sometimes i don't even jump... my front foot plants on the ground while I watch the board flip, then I stomp my back foot on when it completes rotation. It reminds me of when people do those 360 flips where they step entirely off the board and jump back on when it finishes rotating, and it makes me feel a little... gross.
On my best attempts I jump with the board, but my front foot still pulls away and lands on the ground heelside. I think I'm having the shoulder/hip stabilization problem... if I focus on locking my hips and shoulders, maybe my front foot won't bail on the trick?
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This happens to me a lot also. I just try to anticipate where the board will end up. For me 360 flips send it in front of me. After the pop, I try to keep my weight forward and momentum heading slightly in front of me. I suck though and land very few.
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What are tips on getting over 360 flip chicken foot? My problem is that I almost always successfully rotate them, but sometimes i don't even jump... my front foot plants on the ground while I watch the board flip, then I stomp my back foot on when it completes rotation. It reminds me of when people do those 360 flips where they step entirely off the board and jump back on when it finishes rotating, and it makes me feel a little... gross.
On my best attempts I jump with the board, but my front foot still pulls away and lands on the ground heelside. I think I'm having the shoulder/hip stabilization problem... if I focus on locking my hips and shoulders, maybe my front foot won't bail on the trick?
when trying to land, keep your shoulders over where your nose and tail will end up. chances are you are opening up during the rotation and coming up 270ish
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-J4CanbHQ
this helped me
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Even when I could do them pretty consistently, I would have to use a lot of muscle to get enough "scoop"
I don't get how people could do them with such little effort
Grip the board with your toes a bit. Like curl your toes around the edge of the tail. I’ve demonstrated this to people before by taking off my shoe and showing them how much I try to grip the board with my toes when I’m going to scoop. It can also help to sit back a bit over the back foot so your center of gravity and point of pop are a lot closer, this makes for an easier and more powerful scoop. I don’t sit back too much so I don’t fling them away or land sketchy. Some people like to really torque their ankle to get that “casual” one foot catch gross thing. I prefer the first method for that kalis look.
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Tre flips are my arch enemy. 1990 and 1991, on shaped H-Street boards, i could do them totally fine. Lost a bit of them during the 1992-1993 shapes. Once boards were total popsicle shape, I just suck with this trick. I haven't even tried one in 2 years I think. About 18 years ago, I made a day out of only 360 flip attempts. A whole Saturday. Easily the most frustrating day of skating. I could get 6/10 by the end of the day but I just suck at them. I remember throwing my board at the end of that day and I'm not that kinda dude. Anyway with my rear foot ankle damage from last year, I still can't do the "scoop", so I can't even try these now. Part of me is fine but part of me is like "tre flips beat me"
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Grip the board with your toes a bit. Like curl your toes around the edge of the tail. I’ve demonstrated this to people before by taking off my shoe and showing them how much I try to grip the board with my toes when I’m going to scoop. It can also help to sit back a bit over the back foot so your center of gravity and point of pop are a lot closer, this makes for an easier and more powerful scoop.
That's great advice, bolded part in particular is key to getting the full rotation with a bit more control and less effort and that's regardless of the technique one uses to form the trick (but maybe especially for skaters with short legs like me who kind of have to get more explosive pop for that one). In general center of gravity and points of pressure/pop is all one needs to really figure out for most flip tricks and it's good when people approach them like that as opposed to wasting effort micromanaging the wrong stuff.
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The 360 Flip is my ultimate bucket list trick. I landed a few when I was young but dropped it since I wouldn't get them consistently. Super hyped about this thread, so many good tips already! Cannot wait for warmer temperatures so I can bring myself to try it.
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After almost 23 years of trying, I finally started to understand how this trick works this morning. I landed a bunch, and even caught a couple pretty solid and rode away clean. I am beyond stoked to get out and try some more tonight. With any luck I'll start to understand it a little better and get it dialed here before too long.
Thanks to everybody who pitched in on this thread for helping me get closer to realizing a goal that I've had for well over half my life.
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Ok, got outside today and tried these for an hour or so and realized I described my problem incorrectly. My front foot is actually doing the right thing, but when I flip the board my back foot plants and I wait on it, sort of hopping along with the board if needed, until it completes rotation and I can catch woth my front foot.
When my front foot is on, I quickly just step on with my back foot. Do I just need to jump? I feel like it's that simple. Hints like scooping forward and bringing my back foot up after scooping seem helpful in my situation, but I'm concerned I've done this too many times and have made a habit out of not jumping.
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Yeah, no you're really supposed to jump for that trick (at least with the popped technique), which honestly makes it a bit tiring - at least they wear me out when I overdo them. The way it feels, you sort of sit over your popping leg and then you jump off it just like a ollie except the board leaves your feet due to their positioning and movement. One thing I used to do as a kid to teach me how to jump with the board a bit better was to stare at my front bolts before popping and imagine where they would land, ahead of me and maybe slightly diagonally on the toe-side axis, which is what would dictate where I'd jump and try to catch the board with both feet. It would also help me keep my shoulders square and indirectly remind me about the scooping forward thing, using that somewhat vertical rebound on the pop instead of just thinking 'sideways' and wasting energy just mindlessly flinging the board around. It's easy to start leaning over the nose subconsciously while thinking that though so if you start tinkering with eye sight, make sure you don't develop that other bad habit (which is essentially the opposite and causes you to jump too far ahead while the board stays behind you, because you were slightly off applying the right forces). In a way, to learn this trick one kind of has the find the right balance between both ends of that spectrum of mistake.
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Yeah, no you're really supposed to jump for that trick (at least with the popped technique), which honestly makes it a bit tiring - at least they wear me out when I overdo them. You sort of sit over your popping leg and them you jump off it just like a ollie except the board leaves your feet due to their positioning and movement. One thing I used to do to teach me how to jump with the board and know where to catch it was to stare at my front bolts before popping and imagine where they would land, ahead of me and maybe slightly diagonally on the toe-side axis, which is what would dictate where I'd jump and try to catch the board with both feet. It would also remind me about the scooping forward thing, using that somewhat vertical rebound on the pop instead of just thinking 'sideways' and wasting energy just mindlessly flinging the board around. It's easy to start leaning over the nose subconsciously while thinking that though so if you start tinkering with eye sight, make sure you don't develop that other bad habit (which is essentially the opposite and causes you to jump too far ahead while the board stays behind you, because you were slightly off applying the right forces). In a way, to learn this trick one kind of has the find the right balance between both ends of that spectrum of mistake.
Trying to strike that balance is a helpful way to frame it, so far I have not had isues with leaning too far forward but as I get myself to actually jump and attempt to catch I'm sure I'll start leaning that way and will have to bring it back. At least I'll be mindful of not letting it become a habit!
I think even before that I just need to figure out how the timing of the jump and scoop should feel. The more I try to jump high, the worse my scoop feels, which to me suggests I need to work out the timing and how they pair together to make it happen. But the jump has gotta happen, otherwise I'll just keep posting up on the back leg after my little scoop.
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If you have access to a skatepark hip maybe you could try flinging a few over that (frontside so that you can underrotate them, not backside where you have to overrotate them), I'd say it's way easier than on flat there and takes less effort because the hip helps with the scoop and momentum you need, even if you don't commit it might help you understand how the trick is supposed to feel and you might even end up catching your first few there. When I was saying the jump felt like a ollie when done right, it's especially true on hips where you can basically just pop straight down really hard, suck both legs up and the trick forms itself under you just from the foot positioning.
Another idea would be to try them fakie on flat, especially if you can do the non-popped fakie 360 shoves (or the popped ones too, while we're at it). In that stance you don't have to work against the momentum and so the trick is a lot easier, it works just like a fakie 360 shove popped off the right pressure points and relies on nothing but precisely getting the right jump from there.
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Yeah, no you're really supposed to jump for that trick (at least with the popped technique), which honestly makes it a bit tiring - at least they wear me out when I overdo them. The way it feels, you sort of sit over your popping leg and then you jump off it just like a ollie except the board leaves your feet due to their positioning and movement. One thing I used to do as a kid to teach me how to jump with the board a bit better was to stare at my front bolts before popping and imagine where they would land, ahead of me and maybe slightly diagonally on the toe-side axis, which is what would dictate where I'd jump and try to catch the board with both feet. It would also help me keep my shoulders square and indirectly remind me about the scooping forward thing, using that somewhat vertical rebound on the pop instead of just thinking 'sideways' and wasting energy just mindlessly flinging the board around. It's easy to start leaning over the nose subconsciously while thinking that though so if you start tinkering with eye sight, make sure you don't develop that other bad habit (which is essentially the opposite and causes you to jump too far ahead while the board stays behind you, because you were slightly off applying the right forces). In a way, to learn this trick one kind of has the find the right balance between both ends of that spectrum of mistake.
Gnar
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Anyone got any tips on getting the kick flip rotation? I got the 360 part but most of the time it ends up upside down or if it does a complete 360 flip it’s in front of me.
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Anyone got any tips on getting the kick flip rotation? I got the 360 part but most of the time it ends up upside down or if it does a complete 360 flip it’s in front of me.
Stick your front foot out a bit harder, you don't want to actually fully flick with your ankle like a kickflip, but your front foot does need to catch some griptape when the board starts rotating. One thing that helps me is to make sure my trucks are either level, or slightly leaning towards the heel side. If my trucks are leaning toe side I won't land it.
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Anyone got any tips on getting the kick flip rotation? I got the 360 part but most of the time it ends up upside down or if it does a complete 360 flip it’s in front of me.
Stick your front foot out a bit harder, you don't want to actually fully flick with your ankle like a kickflip, but your front foot does need to catch some griptape when the board starts rotating. One thing that helps me is to make sure my trucks are either level, or slightly leaning towards the heel side. If my trucks are leaning toe side I won't land it.
Great advice. Especially with the level trucks. In fact anybody really struggling with the scoop might benefit from tightening their trucks (at least the rear) while learning. Not that anyone would want to stick with tight trucks, but they could learn the consistency of the scoop and rear foot placement easier. Most people I have ever skated with that skate super loose trucks have had sloppy or inconsistent 360 flips, so there's gotta be something behind it..maybe
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Anyone got any tips on getting the kick flip rotation? I got the 360 part but most of the time it ends up upside down or if it does a complete 360 flip it’s in front of me.
Stick your front foot out a bit harder, you don't want to actually fully flick with your ankle like a kickflip, but your front foot does need to catch some griptape when the board starts rotating. One thing that helps me is to make sure my trucks are either level, or slightly leaning towards the heel side. If my trucks are leaning toe side I won't land it.
I don't skate crazy loose by any means, but my 360 flips are a bit worse if the trucks are too tight. My highest and most casual tre flips happen when I'm able to effortlessly, subconsciously lean the trucks slightly to the heel side when bending down and releasing (I think do this mostly with my front foot)
That being said, 360 flips have quite an unstable foot position if you're not used to it, so loose trucks can make setting up much harder when learning. I have this problem with my switch tres, hardest part is just standing comfortably in that position.
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So you wanna do trey flips. Well here’s the big cat about to teach you how to Trey flip in the safari. Trey flips are arguably easier because you don’t have to know how to flick with your front foot. Actually on the contrary you dont want your traditional ankle roll with a trey. It’s a big toe roll if you do it right. It helps to know 360 shuvits(not ollie 360 shuvits, non popped 3). The other thing about 360 flips is that you need to learn how to do a rocking motion with your back foot. So basically without your front foot on the board put the middle toe of your back foot right over the edge of the board rail on the back bolts, just the back foot, put 75-80% of your foot weight on your big toe in said position, then slowly rock to about 60% of your weight to your heel. Now after you have that subtle rocking, try to slide the wheels while you rock, use that toe to pull the slide and then go toe heel on the rock. After you learn how to pull it and rock it, then try to do it hard and pull your foot away. Eventually you will make it flip a 360 flip with just your back foot, kind of like a 360 flip no comply but you aren’t really “popping” like a no comply, so a really shitty no comply 360 flip. Eventually once your back foot can create that flip profile, then it’s time to add the front foot. Put your front foot at about a 30 degree angle from the rail with about half of it on the board half off. Do the same back foot motion but this time jump, and flick your front foots toe down. I call this style of trey flip the toe down shaping. Extremely useful for flatground because it looks good and gives extreme consistency. Now this shaping once you want to take it to obstacles falls apart like a lot of different shapings for other tricks, but if I’m skating a contest and want to throw a flatground trey flip out there, that’s the type of shaping I’m gonna use because the percaentage of Landing it is highest. Once you figure out how to do traditional toe down shaping come back, and I’ll give you tips on how to do high shaped treys, or if you want to yo it out or do another’s shaping profile this big cat will imbue you with the knowledge.
Straight from the Big Cat himself. Exactly 1 year ago today.
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Lads, I'm fuckin' getting this trick, even more progress today where I am gaining a lot of control and understanding the timing better.
This thing was a real bitch, 20 years plus of eluding me and I feel like I'm about to nab this fucker and get it in the bag. It's almost as if life will lose some small sense of purpose once I really have it down, I've been at it so long. Now I just need to practice practice practice and in a few short years I'll be that 40 year old flinging decent 360 flips and surprising the groms.
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So you wanna do trey flips. Well here’s the big cat about to teach you how to Trey flip in the safari. Trey flips are arguably easier because you don’t have to know how to flick with your front foot. Actually on the contrary you dont want your traditional ankle roll with a trey. It’s a big toe roll if you do it right. It helps to know 360 shuvits(not ollie 360 shuvits, non popped 3). The other thing about 360 flips is that you need to learn how to do a rocking motion with your back foot. So basically without your front foot on the board put the middle toe of your back foot right over the edge of the board rail on the back bolts, just the back foot, put 75-80% of your foot weight on your big toe in said position, then slowly rock to about 60% of your weight to your heel. Now after you have that subtle rocking, try to slide the wheels while you rock, use that toe to pull the slide and then go toe heel on the rock. After you learn how to pull it and rock it, then try to do it hard and pull your foot away. Eventually you will make it flip a 360 flip with just your back foot, kind of like a 360 flip no comply but you aren’t really “popping” like a no comply, so a really shitty no comply 360 flip. Eventually once your back foot can create that flip profile, then it’s time to add the front foot. Put your front foot at about a 30 degree angle from the rail with about half of it on the board half off. Do the same back foot motion but this time jump, and flick your front foots toe down. I call this style of trey flip the toe down shaping. Extremely useful for flatground because it looks good and gives extreme consistency. Now this shaping once you want to take it to obstacles falls apart like a lot of different shapings for other tricks, but if I’m skating a contest and want to throw a flatground trey flip out there, that’s the type of shaping I’m gonna use because the percaentage of Landing it is highest. Once you figure out how to do traditional toe down shaping come back, and I’ll give you tips on how to do high shaped treys, or if you want to yo it out or do another’s shaping profile this big cat will imbue you with the knowledge.
Straight from the Big Cat himself. Exactly 1 year ago today.
His posts and @silhouette's breakdown of the trick inspired this thread, bless you @cheetahsheets wherever you are now.
Lads, I'm fuckin' getting this trick, even more progress today where I am gaining a lot of control and understanding the timing better.
This thing was a real bitch, 20 years plus of eluding me and I feel like I'm about to nab this fucker and get it in the bag. It's almost as if life will lose some small sense of purpose once I really have it down, I've been at it so long. Now I just need to practice practice practice and in a few short years I'll be that 40 year old flinging decent 360 flips and surprising the groms.
I attribute it to us learning it the hard way back in the 90's and 00's, the only guidance we got was scoop it hard, 75% back foot 25% front foot. I haven't done one in a few months, should spend some time this week working on them again.
Glad that this thread is helping skaters old and new land this elusive trick! Big Shalom!
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^ Yeah I had to figure it out by myself as well back then, it was one of those 'hard' flip tricks no one in my hometown was doing (there was this gap of many years where this one and switch/nollie flip used to completely elude my local community for some reason, I guess because Luy-Pa had moved out and taken the wisdom with him) and at the time, I had no Internet so besides sequences in mags I had zero pointers. I especially remember first trying and realizing that thinking 'varial flip but harder' really wan't going to work and so I had to focus on the 360 shove first and foremost, and then as I learned how to form it I taught myself to stomp it with the naive visualization I described above.
For those struggling with figuring out how the flip should feel like, it's really like an upward motion (which is why I make so many ollie comparisons), basically picture the start of an ollie impossible except your front foot is the axis instead of the back foot and so with the right timing, you only need to suck that leg up and flick that toe from the grip tape underneath to get the flip going, hence why everyone says it feels completely different from a straight kickflip. Of course in reality it doesn't look like this but maybe it's good mental gymnastics and that also explains how people do 360 double flips, by focusing on the 'impossible' part a bit more so that the board sticks to the front foot harder pre pop and then the flip is exponentially more explosive (and funnily enough, those also feel like you're flicking through the board a lot more than normal 360 flips). There's one 'skate science' vulgarization video with a woman interviewing Mullen on YouTube that I ran into the other day that happened to explain this kind of principles quite well, for the curious and the bored.
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Came to give another obscure trick tip that helped my friend learn tres and recently helped me get back switch tres.
When bending down to pop I stare directly right above the kneecap on the flick foot (It will look below the knee from your perspective - it’s also the point you rest your leg when you’re sitting down crossing your legs). Staring at that point seems to be so crucial for getting the pop to be concise and off a singular point. Also helps keep my shoulders in check a bit more.
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Came in to give another obscure trick tip that helped my friend learn tres and recently helped me get back switch tres.
After I feel my back foot curled around the edge and ready to pop hard, I think about my shoulders being locked in to place, then stare directly down right above the kneecap (It will look below the knee from your perspective-the exact point your rest your leg when you’re sitting in a chair and resting one leg on top of another) as I’m bending down. Staring at that point seems to be so crucial for getting the pop to be concise and off a singular point. Also helps keep my shoulders in check a bit more.
Yeah mean on your kickflip / front foot ?
I do that but look behind my knee cap if that makes sense
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Yeah mean on your kickflip / front foot ?
I do that but look behind my knee cap if that makes sense
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Yea on treflips I look at that point but try and focus on it, so I don’t throw my shoulders off place. It limits your range of motion. Almost like youre stuck in air and your feet are doing the motion below you but they can only move so far and won’t throw your shoulders off
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Came to give another obscure trick tip that helped my friend learn tres and recently helped me get back switch tres.
When bending down to pop I stare directly right above the kneecap on the flick foot (It will look below the knee from your perspective - it’s also the point you rest your leg when you’re sitting down crossing your legs). Staring at that point seems to be so crucial for getting the pop to be concise and off a singular point. Also helps keep my shoulders in check a bit more.
I’ve been thinking about this lately to finally get switch ones down. I do this without even thinking about it on my regular ones but every time I try switch ones I am facing way too much to the side. Imitating a regular one is the best thing I can do for my switch ones, except I’ve never done that for other flip tricks when skating switch. It’s one reason why switch 360 flips have taken so long. Finally got a good one yesterday. Back foot toe curl and facing more forward are key.
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I feel a very important thing for 3 flips that a lot of people don't think of is to square up your shoulders parallel with you board. Like make sure you don't have your chest facing forwards. Think of turning your front shoulder to line up with the nose of your board. it's a small but important tip.
For me it's a lot in the back foot. You gotta smack the tail hard and then the scoop a bit. With the shoulders square if that makes sense.
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I feel a very important thing for 3 flips that a lot of people don't think of is to square up your shoulders parallel with you board. Like make sure you don't have your chest facing forwards. Think of turning your front shoulder to line up with the nose of your board. it's a small but important tip.
For me it's a lot in the back foot. You gotta smack the tail hard and then the scoop a bit. With the shoulders square if that makes sense.
Making sure you're square is a huge one. If I'm ever struggling that's the first thing I correct. Keeping your shoulders straight makes landing significantly easier too since your feet aren't pointing forward.
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Had a bit of an epiphany with this one. I can sometimes do a decent one and sometimes my feet are super close together towards the middle or up near the front bolts. If you have the problem of landing like this, I figured out that having my head over my popping leg as I get ready to scoop helps a ton. It minimizes the tendency of my body landing front heavy on the board and also makes it easier for me to get that back leg to extend away from the front, ending up in a much more even weight distribution on landing.
TLDR: keep your head over the back leg as you pop.
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Had a bit of an epiphany with this one. I can sometimes do a decent one and sometimes my feet are super close together towards the middle or up near the front bolts. If you have the problem of landing like this, I figured out that having my head over my popping leg as I get ready to scoop helps a ton. It minimizes the tendency of my body landing front heavy on the board and also makes it easier for me to get that back leg to extend away from the front, ending up in a much more even weight distribution on landing.
TLDR: keep your head over the back leg as you pop.
This also helped me; I think of it like I'm lining my eyes up with my back knee. Another suggestion that helped is to act almost like you're trying to kick your front ass cheek with your back foot while extending your front leg out towards the nose, like a Bruce Lee flying kick or something. That seems to help achieve a sufficient scoop and give you enough time above the board to catch it with a wider stance. As a side benefit, it promotes the classical technique and prevents wretched yo flip.
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Is anyone else unable to do these in chuck Taylor’s? I was by no means good at 360 flips before but when I was skating vans I was starting to get the hang of sort of grabbing the board with my toes and scooping it in front of me. I’ve been skating a pair of chucks for a while and can do some ugly ones every few tries but haven’t been able to ever get a good feeling scoop on them.
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Is anyone else unable to do these in chuck Taylor’s? I was by no means good at 360 flips before but when I was skating vans I was starting to get the hang of sort of grabbing the board with my toes and scooping it in front of me. I’ve been skating a pair of chucks for a while and can do some ugly ones every few tries but haven’t been able to ever get a good feeling scoop on them.
I can't speak for Chucks but I have definitely had a harder time with consistency of them with certain shoes. I imagine because it's really not much of a flick, so maybe the rubber toe cap on them is grabbing to much? If that's the case maybe set your front foot farther back. I have to do this with shelltoes.
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Is anyone else unable to do these in chuck Taylor’s? I was by no means good at 360 flips before but when I was skating vans I was starting to get the hang of sort of grabbing the board with my toes and scooping it in front of me. I’ve been skating a pair of chucks for a while and can do some ugly ones every few tries but haven’t been able to ever get a good feeling scoop on them.
You mean on your kickflip foot ?
If so yes I agree if it's too grippy there. At that area it can fuck up rotation. Happens with new shoes.
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how much do you flick with the front foot? ive heard conflicting advice where one tip is to do nothing and its literally all the back foot (and the front foot just catches) but ive also heard that you actually need to work a little kickflip ankle action in there..
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how much do you flick with the front foot? ive heard conflicting advice where one tip is to do nothing and its literally all the back foot (and the front foot just catches) but ive also heard that you actually need to work a little kickflip ankle action in there..
Depends on if your board is flipping the whole way or not when you try it.
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how much do you flick with the front foot? ive heard conflicting advice where one tip is to do nothing and its literally all the back foot (and the front foot just catches) but ive also heard that you actually need to work a little kickflip ankle action in there..
My front foot does flick a little..I had done one standing still in my house.. and put the video up in the "old dudes thread" a few weeks ago. I actually used it recently in slow motion to show a young fella what I do with my feet. Everyone does them differently and my way obviously may not be the best way for anyone else.
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how much do you flick with the front foot? ive heard conflicting advice where one tip is to do nothing and its literally all the back foot (and the front foot just catches) but ive also heard that you actually need to work a little kickflip ankle action in there..
The front foot action sort of has to do with how optimal your technique on the pop is since it's basically imprinting motion to the board in relation to how exactly you popped it and from which position. Some people have those automatic quick 360 flips that go sideways and look mostly pressure-based because as soon as leverage gets put on the tail, the front foot is already getting in the way ready for the board to sort of start wrapping around the toe as it catches the concave and flips with very little ankle action. On the other hand, if you're trying to pop them and do higher and more vertical ones (say on hips) then you need to think of the trick as much more of an ollie with your front foot actively guiding the board upwards before letting go, and for that technique you sort of need to emphasize on that sweet spot in the tail you pop off (and get way more of an ollie type of downwards pop). Main difference with kickflips is you don't really extend your leg the same way, kickflips in general your body will be more parallel to the board and ideally kick out and straight through the nose, 360 flips you're facing forwards a bit more (at least I am) and have to compensate diagonally ever so slightly as though instead aiming for the heel-side top bolt, but it's quite subtle.
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360 flips frustrate me so much because I've always been able to do them, but they're never really a "regular" trick that I have. Some times I'll randomly do one first or second try, then the next day it'll look like I've never done one in my life.
Same here, struggling with 360 flips for 15 years now lol. Placing the front foot ridiculous near to back truck bolts usually helps to land a one on a bad day.
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Lately, I've been landing only with my back foot on the board when trying these, do yall think that's mainly an issue with my front shoulder opening up too much?
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Ended up confirming it, managed to land a few today when making sure my front shoulder is more parallel with the board
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Ended up confirming it, managed to land a few today when making sure my front shoulder is more parallel with the board
Shoulders square
Eyes shouldn't be looking past your popping knee
Jump up more than forward
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Something kind of goofy that helped me, is a friend told me to jump like Wii characters do when they win a game and I started landing them more often.
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its been a couple months but im about to nail this trick
treflip practice is fucking exhausting tho
here's some things that helped me
having my big-toe area mainly on the side of the edge of the tail and really thinking about popping/scooping in the direction I roll
actually jumping mainly throwing my shoulder ups like I'm about to take flight
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just a non helpful comment passing through
but im 28, started really learning tricks 2 years ago. almost have kickflips.
just reading these comments like
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for when im ready to tackle this shi
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Getting reeeeal close thanks to this thread/some YT vids. I got that big toe almost curled over the board and it feels really cool forming them with just the back foot.
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I’ve always been really good at doing an impossible wrap with my back foot while just standing around, so a few days ago I tried doing an actual impossible and learned the trick in about half an hour. Unfortunately I’ve completely lost 360 flips now! I never had this trick down completely to begin with but now when I setup with my weight in the pocket ready to scoop in front of me I just do a weird half impossible half three shuv thing. It still kinda rotates around my back foot but it’s popped and doesn’t wrap.
I’m just now realizing as I write this I probably was subconsciously lifting my front foot like an impossible, next time I skate I’m gonna try to keep my front foot on the board and perhaps I’ll get a strange vertical 360 flip, hopefully it works because the scoop is much easier this way for me.
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Try them on smooth surfaces. Gritty shitty pavement will work against you heavy
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Try them on smooth surfaces. Gritty shitty pavement will work against you heavy
Solid advice. I was trying these on Monday on skatepark ground and landed 2. Tonight, trying them on a rough street was noticeably harder.
I also think my body was still beat from Monday's long session that culminated in about 45 mins of 360 flip attempts. I just started jumping with them finally and kept nearly sticking them and couldn't stop, and I think I finally broke my bad chicken foot habit. Gotta do more work figuring out how to form the rotation with less effort though, my scooping leg is still sore days later.
So far all the tips here have really helped me understand the trick. Leaning back, doing less with with front foot, and locking the shoulders have all helped me get closer to having this one. You guys are great!
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I am getting the board to flip more consistently, and when I apply tips from this thread (like standing boxed) it also rotates under the body. However, I cannot get myself to commit and am always pulling the front foot out to the side for a safety landing. One reason is that the ones that flip well are popped higher than I can comfortably jump, and if I try to pop less the flip does not complete.
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its been a couple months but im about to nail this trick
treflip practice is fucking exhausting tho
here's some things that helped me
having my big-toe area mainly on the side of the edge of the tail and really thinking about popping/scooping in the direction I roll
actually jumping mainly throwing my shoulder ups like I'm about to take flight
can finally land some really ugly ones consistently. I always land so far up the nose/front bolts anyone know how to fix that?
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how do u catch them?
rn i can do them but its always just fling wildly and hope i land on it rather than a controlled catch
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how do u catch them?
rn i can do them but its always just fling wildly and hope i land on it rather than a controlled catch
It helps me if I mentally plan to scoop the tre up into the highest point of my jump rather than scoop it so the trajectory finishes on the ground. Not a practical strategy but having that goal in mind makes me get the tre flip to happen on the uptick and i catch it more consistently.
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rn i can do them but its always just fling wildly and hope i land on it rather than a controlled catch
This describes all of my skating.
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Big toe wrapped around the edge of the tail. Front foot about like kick flip position with the arch of your foot digging into the edge of the board to counter balancing the pressure of your back foot toe. Keep that edge-to-edge balance while you crouch down to pop, hanging your arms like a gorilla with your shoulders square with the board. When you've got the pressure loaded up like that already you don't have to put as much work into the scoop, just a little extra ankle flick in the direction you're skating. Front foot kicks straight forward in the direction you're skating to catch a little bit of flick while the board starts rotating and being in the position to catch the grip tape as it comes around. Try to leap off your popping foot and land more on your flick/catching foot. Watch BA's tre in Nike Swoosh at about 2:05 in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ijpv6e57a4
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Silhouette consistently kills it in skating and explanations and I mean no offence but it’s psycho that it’s in a different language for him
Mad cunt
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Took me 40 tries but I landed 2 360 flips, ugly as sin but that was as good as I was going to get them. So much to un-learn but at least I know I'm doing them high and popped.
Big toe wrapped around the edge of the tail. Front foot about like kick flip position with the arch of your foot digging into the edge of the board to counter balancing the pressure of your back foot toe. Keep that edge-to-edge balance while you crouch down to pop, hanging your arms like a gorilla with your shoulders square with the board. When you've got the pressure loaded up like that already you don't have to put as much work into the scoop, just a little extra ankle flick in the direction you're skating. Front foot kicks straight forward in the direction you're skating to catch a little bit of flick while the board starts rotating and being in the position to catch the grip tape as it comes around. Try to leap off your popping foot and land more on your flick/catching foot. Watch BA's tre in Nike Swoosh at about 2:05 in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ijpv6e57a4
Kept visualizing BA's 2:08, getting a good one is all about leverage. But seeing him do those got me hyped to work on them instead of sticking to my staples.
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I am on a mission to land my first one in at least 15 years today. The tips in this thread have been invaluable, been getting close over the last couple of weeks. I feel the only missing piece is full commitment now. If I find the power to jump high enough, that is. Wish me luck. :)
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I am on a mission to land my first one in at least 15 years today. The tips in this thread have been invaluable, been getting close over the last couple of weeks. I feel the only missing piece is full commitment now. If I find the power to jump high enough, that is. Wish me luck. :)
Good luck, brother! I've never had 360 flips but I've decided to put some real effort into them every sesh. I'm 48. Why am I doing this to myself?
All the tips in this thread have been gold and I'm closer than I've ever been. When the scoop is good that shit does exactly what it should do, but as always, it's the commitment. If I get them before I'm 50 I'll be super stoked.
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I am on a mission to land my first one in at least 15 years today. The tips in this thread have been invaluable, been getting close over the last couple of weeks. I feel the only missing piece is full commitment now. If I find the power to jump high enough, that is. Wish me luck. :)
Good luck, brother! I've never had 360 flips but I've decided to put some real effort into them every sesh. I'm 48. Why am I doing this to myself?
All the tips in this thread have been gold and I'm closer than I've ever been. When the scoop is good that shit does exactly what it should do, but as always, it's the commitment. If I get them before I'm 50 I'll be super stoked.
Thanks! Awesome to read you are on the same mission. At 48 even! I am 38 and felt it was the right time after loosing weight over the last few months. I didn’t get it today, but I really committed for the first time. Totally changed the dynamics of the movement, I basically lost the scoop as soon as I stopped pulling the front foot out to the side for a safety landing. Need to bring myself to really kick it out over the nose.
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I am on a mission to land my first one in at least 15 years today. The tips in this thread have been invaluable, been getting close over the last couple of weeks. I feel the only missing piece is full commitment now. If I find the power to jump high enough, that is. Wish me luck. :)
Good luck, brother! I've never had 360 flips but I've decided to put some real effort into them every sesh. I'm 48. Why am I doing this to myself?
All the tips in this thread have been gold and I'm closer than I've ever been. When the scoop is good that shit does exactly what it should do, but as always, it's the commitment. If I get them before I'm 50 I'll be super stoked.
Thanks! Awesome to read you are on the same mission. At 48 even! I am 38 and felt it was the right time after loosing weight over the last few months. I didn’t get it today, but I really committed for the first time. Totally changed the dynamics of the movement, I basically lost the scoop as soon as I stopped pulling the front foot out to the side for a safety landing. Need to bring myself to really kick it out over the nose.
What surprised me was the lack of flick needed for the trick, pressure on the heel side rail of the deck causes the flip. The front foot shoots straight forward and waits for the catch.
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I am on a mission to land my first one in at least 15 years today. The tips in this thread have been invaluable, been getting close over the last couple of weeks. I feel the only missing piece is full commitment now. If I find the power to jump high enough, that is. Wish me luck. :)
Good luck, brother! I've never had 360 flips but I've decided to put some real effort into them every sesh. I'm 48. Why am I doing this to myself?
All the tips in this thread have been gold and I'm closer than I've ever been. When the scoop is good that shit does exactly what it should do, but as always, it's the commitment. If I get them before I'm 50 I'll be super stoked.
Thanks! Awesome to read you are on the same mission. At 48 even! I am 38 and felt it was the right time after loosing weight over the last few months. I didn’t get it today, but I really committed for the first time. Totally changed the dynamics of the movement, I basically lost the scoop as soon as I stopped pulling the front foot out to the side for a safety landing. Need to bring myself to really kick it out over the nose.
What surprised me was the lack of flick needed for the trick, pressure on the heel side rail of the deck causes the flip. The front foot shoots straight forward and waits for the catch.
Yeah, that’s what I meant by kicking out. On some attempts I could feel my front foot stopping the rotation, landed a few 360 Shove-Its for this reason. On others I just wasn’t able to properly scoop the tail when trying to jump high enough.
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I hug the pocket with my toe on back foot, and my front foot is flat/ or on toes doesn't matter.
But the trick for me and the way I've taught others is by telling them to have the your weight distributed exactly the same on both feet.
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Getting closer than I've ever been after a few sessions in a row this week. Shoulders parallel to the rails just isn't working for me though, my front foot responds badly to that position (it seeks the safe refuge of the ground about a foot away from the action). As soon as I opened my shoulders a few degrees my front foot started behaving itself and was happily hanging out in the air in the general vicinity of the board. I also got the back foot motion formed properly yesterday and the board did what it was supposed to do more often than not. Now all I need to do is move my weight slightly further back when I'm scooping and I'll have it.
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Anyone ever deal with the issue of catching 360 flips with the back foot instead of the front? And have any pointers to fix it. Think I landed a few yesterday with a front foot catch but it was a struggle.
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Anyone ever deal with the issue of catching 360 flips with the back foot instead of the front? And have any pointers to fix it. Think I landed a few yesterday with a front foot catch but it was a struggle.
No tips, but I have the same issue. Rarely land them, and when I do I usually fall straight on my ass. :(
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Anyone ever deal with the issue of catching 360 flips with the back foot instead of the front? And have any pointers to fix it. Think I landed a few yesterday with a front foot catch but it was a struggle.
No tips, but I have the same issue. Rarely land them, and when I do I usually fall straight on my ass. :(
I too have this problem but I found a hidden benefit when doing them on a bank especially when carving backside/ doing a back 180 (whatever that tricks called) altho ive seen plenty of people do this with proper front foot catch so maybe not..
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Anyone ever deal with the issue of catching 360 flips with the back foot instead of the front? And have any pointers to fix it. Think I landed a few yesterday with a front foot catch but it was a struggle.
No tips, but I have the same issue. Rarely land them, and when I do I usually fall straight on my ass. :(
Sweet! Thanks for the tip! I have a little bank by my house. Imma hit it up on lunch break and see what happens. :)
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Even when I could do them pretty consistently, I would have to use a lot of muscle to get enough "scoop"
I don't get how people could do them with such little effort
I still can’t wrap my head around the one Stevie does in his opening line. It looks like he barely taps it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAAWsTeR1s&feature=share
This is one of those tricks that I somewhat had a long time ago, but one day they just disappeared and never came back. It kinda bums me out a little whenever I think about it, haha.
Anyways, thanks to everyone that posted tips. Lots of good, unique suggestions, all of which I’m going to try. Much more helpful than the standard, glib “scoop really hard” advice.
Strobeck said it best: "Stevie when he was poor had the best style of all time"
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Almost one year later, one rolled ankle and not really putting in as much work as I should have, I managed to get both feet onto a 360 flip a couple of weeks ago after having a lengthy discussion with Silhouette about pre-loading/weight distribution/etc. I ate it when I got that one so it doesn't count. Too much jumping 'over there' and hoping the deck meets my feet. Silhouette suggested (among other things) that I don't 'jump over there' and jump straight up (just like Stevie does in that clip). One thing I noticed with Stevie's 360 flip is he doesn't pop or move his front leg until he's fully extended on the jump so that's the next thing to work on, the timing of the pop/scoop. There's a couple of other little things I noticed in Stevie's clip like the flat front foot, limiting the height of the front leg during the flip and the position/angle of the back foot before the pop, but I've definitely got to work on the timing first.
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Almost one year later, one rolled ankle and not really putting in as much work as I should have, I managed to get both feet onto a 360 flip a couple of weeks ago after having a lengthy discussion with Silhouette about pre-loading/weight distribution/etc. I ate it when I got that one so it doesn't count. Too much jumping 'over there' and hoping the deck meets my feet. Silhouette suggested (among other things) that I don't 'jump over there' and jump straight up (just like Stevie does in that clip). One thing I noticed with Stevie's 360 flip is he doesn't pop or move his front leg until he's fully extended on the jump so that's the next thing to work on, the timing of the pop/scoop. There's a couple of other little things I noticed in Stevie's clip like the flat front foot, limiting the height of the front leg during the flip and the position/angle of the back foot before the pop, but I've definitely got to work on the timing first.
That Stevie 360 flip works mostly because of how the back foot is positioned perfectly opposite to the front foot on the correct axis for that trick and most especially, see how it's slightly angled and the big toe is resting on one very particular corner of the tail. That's for once he pops straight down, this (toe-side) part of the tail is going to smack the ground first, causing the opposite edge of the concave to stick to the front foot better and optimize the efficiency and reaction of the flip. For some reason it seems to go over a lot of people's heads that your tail actually has to hit the ground a different way (in a different spot first) on different tricks, stuff doesn't ever happen just straight down, your tail isn't one singular object and it is important which segment of it 'rebounds'. That's basically what controls whatever movement it is that you imprint that your front foot then has to respond to, be it catching certain tricks to prevent them from flipping (e.g.. frontside big spins), or getting it out of the way to instantly counter that grip on the toes with a flick.
Flick on 360 flips I feel like doesn't happen so early and mostly diagonally whilst on the way up. You're sort of supposed to kick through the board to get that trick going and so the earlier you do it, the most likely you're going to waste energy mobbing them (that's actually how one does 360 double flips too; more pressure flip type of build-up, earlier mobbed flick).
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I still don’t have them properly normal cos I often do everything ok but then I my balance is off (shoulders are in a weird position when I land).
Friends told me I should block my shoulders parallel like separate upper from lower body.
Another friend corrected my back foot position so that the toes point diagonally and not 90 degrees angle to the moving direction.
It’s so tough to explain hope you get what I’m trying to say. I just need to spend more time on it but it pisses me off that this trick makes so much more sense switch / nollie than regular.. same with impossibles.
When I had them they were easier than kick flips so I need to put more time into them to get them back.
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Unrequested update: I’m getting super close like landing them then falling off they’re there I’m so stoked, also cos I’m riding a 8.4 for the first time ever. Goes to show you can get used to everything.
Let’s go, so hyped on skating.
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Unrequested update: I’m getting super close like landing them then falling off they’re there I’m so stoked, also cos I’m riding a 8.4 for the first time ever. Goes to show you can get used to everything.
Let’s go, so hyped on skating.
Fuck yeah. When you get them let me know what worked. Cause I’m on the struggle bus with them
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Unrequested update: I’m getting super close like landing them then falling off they’re there I’m so stoked, also cos I’m riding a 8.4 for the first time ever. Goes to show you can get used to everything.
Let’s go, so hyped on skating.
Sick, keep it up! I’ve got a few more months to get there, promised myself I’d get it by my 40th birthday in August.
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This thread is a gold mine. Thanks to these tipps I came close to land them but no luck yet.
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So you wanna do trey flips. Well here’s the big cat about to teach you how to Trey flip in the safari. Trey flips are arguably easier because you don’t have to know how to flick with your front foot. Actually on the contrary you dont want your traditional ankle roll with a trey. It’s a big toe roll if you do it right. It helps to know 360 shuvits(not ollie 360 shuvits, non popped 3). The other thing about 360 flips is that you need to learn how to do a rocking motion with your back foot. So basically without your front foot on the board put the middle toe of your back foot right over the edge of the board rail on the back bolts, just the back foot, put 75-80% of your foot weight on your big toe in said position, then slowly rock to about 60% of your weight to your heel. Now after you have that subtle rocking, try to slide the wheels while you rock, use that toe to pull the slide and then go toe heel on the rock. After you learn how to pull it and rock it, then try to do it hard and pull your foot away. Eventually you will make it flip a 360 flip with just your back foot, kind of like a 360 flip no comply but you aren’t really “popping” like a no comply, so a really shitty no comply 360 flip. Eventually once your back foot can create that flip profile, then it’s time to add the front foot. Put your front foot at about a 30 degree angle from the rail with about half of it on the board half off. Do the same back foot motion but this time jump, and flick your front foots toe down. I call this style of trey flip the toe down shaping. Extremely useful for flatground because it looks good and gives extreme consistency. Now this shaping once you want to take it to obstacles falls apart like a lot of different shapings for other tricks, but if I’m skating a contest and want to throw a flatground trey flip out there, that’s the type of shaping I’m gonna use because the percaentage of Landing it is highest. Once you figure out how to do traditional toe down shaping come back, and I’ll give you tips on how to do high shaped treys, or if you want to yo it out or do another’s shaping profile this big cat will imbue you with the knowledge.
Straight from the Big Cat himself. Exactly 1 year ago today.
This kinda works. Which blows my mind.
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Definitely useful tips in this thread. Thanks everyone!
Just have to chip away, figure out what works for me, and discard the rest.
“It seems that perfection is not achieved when there is nothing left to add, but when nothing more can be left out,” - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
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Does anyone else find bending down comically low before popping helps keep it under you
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Does anyone else find bending down comically low before popping helps keep it under you
Only way I can do it. I'm basically down to a squat.
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Does anyone else find bending down comically low before popping helps keep it under you
Only way I can do it. I'm basically down to a squat.
Me too. And of course as I get tired I can't do them anymore because my body refuses to get that low an hour into a session.
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Does anyone else find bending down comically low before popping helps keep it under you
Only way I can do it. I'm basically down to a squat.
Me too. And of course as I get tired I can't do them anymore because my body refuses to get that low an hour into a session.
Me too. It's a trade off. Like I can do the trick.... But does it look dogshit.. I'll never know
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Does anyone else find bending down comically low before popping helps keep it under you
Only way I can do it. I'm basically down to a squat.
Me too. And of course as I get tired I can't do them anymore because my body refuses to get that low an hour into a session.
Me too. It's a trade off. Like I can do the trick.... But does it look dogshit.. I'll never know
Unfortunately I’ve seen the tape and I am dogshit.
I actually cannot squat down low, something bad happens in my legs, I get stuck down there.
The things that have helped me the most have been: looking at the lowest toe side bolt on the front truck (if regular, the bottom right), and then reading silhouette, chee tah, and watching the cobra video bfrd posted. Also skating a consistent setup. My regular ones have never been more consistent (less exciting tho), and I’ve backslid on the other three: nollie is completely out of the question rn, fakie is terrifying, and switch …I can pose em, but no landing. But the pose looks real legit eyeroll
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Does anyone else find bending down comically low before popping helps keep it under you
flicking the front foot and scooping the back foot in unison does it for me
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I’m gonna throw this out here too
https://i.imgur.com/f1IdTU9.mp4
Mine are far from consistent, and some days it just doesn’t work at all.
Anybody see what the trouble is?
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That's my problem whenever I slack on that trick for too long and I need to refine it again. You're turning your shoulders after you pop as if to try to catch the board early in order to compensate for a (reasonably) possible lack of rotation on the 360. Whenever that works and you can sort of shifty it back feels fucking amazing but for efficiency try really keeping your shoulders square throughout the whole jump and basically only really work with your lower body as much as you can. Maybe find a slightly more optimal positioning for your back foot to ensure that you really consistently get a good, safe scoop and then mostly use your hips to help imprint the motion, the more you lock them in place the more explosive your pop will be (and the looser they are the more it will be weakened) when you're trying to push the board sideways. Keep the center of your board as a reference but don't hunch over it, mostly sit back over your back leg with a relatively straight back and then insist on sending the trick what feels directly ahead of you (in the direction you're going).
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Yeah, today shoulder position seemed to be the key.
I usually skate with my shoulders pretty open forward, and it gives trouble on some tricks. Like the switch bs flip on the other thread.
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Really I usually see two types of 360 flips people do in general, some completely face the direction they're going then pop and sweep (which I actually recommend) and some keep shoulders parallel to the board and treat it more like a sideways trick using brute force (maybe more scoop-based). It probably doesn't matter much what one's preferred technique that works for them is, the important part I think really is mostly work the trick with your lower body which involves (sometimes consciously) keeping your upper body aligned in position, regardless of what exactly that is.
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The cobra trick tip video bfrd referenced earlier in the thread, had a nugget about head positioning, that seems relevant for whale, maybe not. It was easier for me to concentrate on head placement, than shoulder position, but it ended up feeling like it had a similar effect on my trick posture.
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Reading through old Chromeball interviews, this Gino bit got me feelin all warm inside.
(https://i.imgur.com/UIa3ESg.png)
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Reading through old Chromeball interviews, this Gino bit got me feelin all warm inside.
(https://i.imgur.com/UIa3ESg.png)
I’d trade my doo-doo treflip for his shuv it-flip any day. I just can’t do em
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Squat like you're about to sit in a chair, not like you're picking something up off the ground.
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Landed a couple.. key for me was to keep the front foot high after the light flick. I had to exaggerate that to land them cos otherwise I would land them only with the back foot.
They still take a stupid amount of effort on flatground. So frustrating, but I also never try them cos I get angry so what else do I expect.
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Landed a couple.. key for me was to keep the front foot high after the light flick. I had to exaggerate that to land them cos otherwise I would land them only with the back foot.
They still take a stupid amount of effort on flatground. So frustrating, but I also never try them cos I get angry so what else do I expect.
Keep at em..they will become second nature before you know it!
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I had set out to learn 360 Flips before turning 40, but with only a few weeks to go I am not so confident any more. Landed like two or three when I was young but I just cannot get myself to jump high enough and commit any more.
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I had set out to learn 360 Flips before turning 40, but with only a few weeks to go I am not so confident any more. Landed like two or three when I was young but I just cannot get myself to jump high enough and commit any more.
Same here, except I'm 40 since December, too late I guess...
But I'm not giving up :)
There is so many good tips in this thread!
When I'm not skating, I can visualize myself landing it easily, but this confidence instantly vanishes when I step on my board. It's like I must "de-program" my brain from decades (literally) of catching the board with my back foot and not stepping "on it". Plus, every attempt takes SO much energy for me. I'll never understand people that does them without effort, Appleyard-style. Always seemed like magic to me.
If I ever manage to land this trick with a minimum of consistency, it will feel like a lifetime accomplishment :)
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I feel similarly to the other 40-somethings in this thread. I know how to do a tre flip (and a halfway decent one), but managing to catch it is something else altogether. Lately I’ve attributed this to my diminishing reaction times - I just cannot get caught up to the board fast enough. Or maybe it’s just a mental block/lack of commitment.
The last time I caught one, I stomped the tail in a weird way at the board ended up flying up and colliding with my Adam’s apple. I couldn’t breathe and felt like I was gonna pass out for about thirty seconds. This probably doesn’t help with my attempts.
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so close to these
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Get em fellas! Don’t give up
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I had set out to learn 360 Flips before turning 40, but with only a few weeks to go I am not so confident any more. Landed like two or three when I was young but I just cannot get myself to jump high enough and commit any more.
Haha, this is exactly where I'm at. And if I get myself to commit, it turns into a 360 Shove.
https://youtu.be/7ZEnVtWPrA0
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Suck that front foot up and you’re textbook PAL
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Thanks, that's what I needed to hear. Fuck gravity, I'll make it happen.
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Thanks, that's what I needed to hear. Fuck gravity, I'll make it happen.
Hell yes
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I had set out to learn 360 Flips before turning 40, but with only a few weeks to go I am not so confident any more. Landed like two or three when I was young but I just cannot get myself to jump high enough and commit any more.
Haha, this is exactly where I'm at. And if I get myself to commit, it turns into a 360 Shove.
https://youtu.be/7ZEnVtWPrA0
Ah but here you're bending over and looking down on your nose before you pop so of course as soon as you do you can only jump ahead and not straight up. You have perfect form otherwise so just try refining nothing but your upper body posture, keep your back a bit more straight, don't look anywhere past your front knee and try to send the trick in front of you a little (like a pop shove-it you would want to go really vertically). Hunching over ever so slightly like that actually takes physical effort too all the while wasting efficiency on the pop (making it more tiresome) so I suspect the maneuver will suddenly feel a lot easier once you've figured that out. On literally the next session wouldn't surprise me.
And if they turn into 360 shoves when you stay more centered then that might mean you're putting too much body weight into your flick. You don't need to jump ahead with the whole of your front leg and an exaggerated kick, just light toe action should suffice if you've built up the pop correctly (pressure in the toe-side corner of the tail, big toe making love to the concave).
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https://i.imgur.com/BxpVdjb.mp4
I’d listen to @silhouette and Im sorry if I gave shitty advice..I have to hunch over and keep my dome over the nose..it certainly doesn’t earn any points for style but it keeps it under me consistently.
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I had set out to learn 360 Flips before turning 40, but with only a few weeks to go I am not so confident any more. Landed like two or three when I was young but I just cannot get myself to jump high enough and commit any more.
Haha, this is exactly where I'm at. And if I get myself to commit, it turns into a 360 Shove.
https://youtu.be/7ZEnVtWPrA0
Ah but here you're bending over and looking down on your nose before you pop so of course as soon as you do you can only jump ahead and not straight up. You have perfect form otherwise so just try refining nothing but your upper body posture, keep your back a bit more straight, don't look anywhere past your front knee and try to send the trick in front of you a little (like a pop shove-it you would want to go really vertically). Hunching over ever so slightly like that actually takes physical effort too all the while wasting efficiency on the pop (making it more tiresome) so I suspect the maneuver will suddenly feel a lot easier once you've figured that out. On literally the next session wouldn't surprise me.
And if they turn into 360 shoves when you stay more centered then that might mean you're putting too much body weight into your flick. You don't need to jump ahead with the whole of your front leg and an exaggerated kick, just light toe action should suffice if you've built up the pop correctly (pressure in the toe-side corner of the tail, big toe making love to the concave).
Thanks heaps, cannot wait to try. Upper body and shoulders generally give me trouble. Beyond skating, even. The hunching is probably also related to being 6' 5" and trying to feel closer to the ground. It messes with a lot of tricks, including my terrible Kickflip.
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everyone always mentions toe side pocket, but the only way they work for me is when I move my back foot backward, still toe side but towards the tail-end of the tail.
same for (scooped) bs 360's
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I had set out to learn 360 Flips before turning 40, but with only a few weeks to go I am not so confident any more. Landed like two or three when I was young but I just cannot get myself to jump high enough and commit any more.
Concentrate on really sucking your knees up and holding them there. Land on the board, but don't extend your legs to stab it out of the air. I've got bad old guy legs and struggle with getting the rotation all the way around unless I do that.
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everyone always mentions toe side pocket, but the only way they work for me is when I move my back foot backward, still toe side but towards the tail-end of the tail.
same for (scooped) bs 360's
That's actually a good point, I think it's basically a case of same technique in principle, different leverage. I've observed doing 360 flips over hips (where they sort of spontaneously turn into a different, more vertical trick anyway) I'll tend to spontaneously do what you described, making the trick feel a lot closer to a normal ollie you let go off and see change form. On flat though I'll insist on the pocket and treat them more like some kind of ollie impossible my front foot misleads then flicks through. This may be due to my short legs and having to compensate, but then again some of the best switch 360 flips I've done I remember felt the way you describe yours so it really just may be longtime personal habit on my normal ones. Fakie 360 flips on flat where you need mostly pop and barely any scoop I probably do it too.
For backside 360 ollies on flat I absolutely do need my toe in the pocket personally, but I've seen people do them the way you describe too. Seems to be more pop based and less scoop based then (again). Maybe I'll eventually get there by just doing them more and naturally adjusting towards optimal. I have a friend who used to do knee-high pressure 360 flips from a positioning very similar to what you describe, too (not the Nate Sherwood inward heelflip style ones; actual 360 flips using just the back foot, front foot would start out flat e.g.. pre-heelflip then do nothing at all), basically using the same rebound on the pop as you do just super exaggerated to send the board off-axis with a solid swipe, I remember trying those with him once and realizing they actually were really hard, I don't think I even made one.
@listentoaheartbeat I only realized your height from the 1000th post video you just posted earlier (congrats!), now I can see what you're trying to do with your center of gravity here a bit better. I'm basically a foot shorter in height than you, so my tips and hacks will only help so much, but still it's definitely just posture here, with just that keyword in mind I'm sure you'll get results and figure out the missing piece of the puzzle on your own! Also, upper body and shoulder control and coordination really is what literally every skater struggles with and has to overcome in order to learn just about anything with a rotation (including basics like carving), so you have no reason to feel particularly cursed there I don't think.
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@listentoaheartbeat I only realized your height from the 1000th post video you just posted earlier (congrats!), now I can see what you're trying to do with your center of gravity here a bit better. I'm basically a foot shorter in height than you, so my tips and hacks will only help so much, but still it's definitely just posture here, with just that keyword in mind I'm sure you'll get results and figure out the missing piece of the puzzle on your own! Also, upper body and shoulder control and coordination really is what literally every skater struggles with and has to overcome in order to learn just about anything with a rotation (including basics like carving), so you have no reason to feel particularly cursed there I don't think.
I think I might have the same problem. You give really good insight, thanks !
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37yo here.
I got closest yet to tres today, one of the park locals helped me out with the scoop so now I can pretty much do the flip and keep it landing just ahead of me.
for the first time today I managed five or six in a row where I was popping the scoop with the back foot and catching the trick with the front foot whilst my back foot goes to ground.
I'm probably a little ways off committing keeping that back foot in the air, but it feels like the best bit of solid progress I've had on these.
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everyone always mentions toe side pocket, but the only way they work for me is when I move my back foot backward, still toe side but towards the tail-end of the tail.
same for (scooped) bs 360's
I actually think I am doing the same, but with my size 50 feet the two positions are not so different anyway. ;)
Concentrate on really sucking your knees up and holding them there. Land on the board, but don't extend your legs to stab it out of the air. I've got bad old guy legs and struggle with getting the rotation all the way around unless I do that.
Good advise, especially since stomping any trick crushes my ankles and feet. Less stomping = longer sessions = more attempts.
@listentoaheartbeat I only realized your height from the 1000th post video you just posted earlier (congrats!), now I can see what you're trying to do with your center of gravity here a bit better. I'm basically a foot shorter in height than you, so my tips and hacks will only help so much, but still it's definitely just posture here, with just that keyword in mind I'm sure you'll get results and figure out the missing piece of the puzzle on your own! Also, upper body and shoulder control and coordination really is what literally every skater struggles with and has to overcome in order to learn just about anything with a rotation (including basics like carving), so you have no reason to feel particularly cursed there I don't think.
Thanks, it has been running joke forever since I do it in a pronounced way and my height makes it look proper funny sometimes. As if I was looking for pennies on the ground or something.
I make it work for some tricks that I have on lock (well, relatively speaking), like Bs 180s, but even those feel better and pop higher if I straighten my back a bit.
I believe these tips actually work in tandem, sucking up my knees up will be easier if I don't hunch so much.
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Inspired by this thread I had a session on tres on my lunchbreak today, only my second really serious go at them, so be kind lol.
https://vimeo.com/732079956 (https://vimeo.com/732079956)
Anything else I can be doing here to help myself? or is it just a case of jumping a bit more and crossing that commitment barrier with my back foot? I can pretty much pop the full flip and get to it every time with my front foot like this...but feel like I have a bit of a mental block to overcome to commit that back leg.
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Inspired by this thread I had a session on tres on my lunchbreak today, only my second really serious go at them, so be kind lol.
https://vimeo.com/732079956 (https://vimeo.com/732079956)
Anything else I can be doing here to help myself? or is it just a case of jumping a bit more and crossing that commitment barrier with my back foot? I can pretty much pop the full flip and get to it every time with my front foot like this...but feel like I have a bit of a mental block to overcome to commit that back leg.
From my perspective, you're forming the trick right with your feet doing the basic formula they're supposed to compute, just this very frame is where you gave up:
(https://i.imgur.com/RTCWcMw.png)
You can see from your posture, part of the force you're putting into the trick so far to achieve the desired rotation is by sending it ahead of you, which actually sort of is the principle except you need to be jumping with it and for that you need to suck your knees up, similarly to how you would to catch the highest pop shove-it you can do for how you're supposed to remain over the board. But that's only for how the catch feels and I wouldn't recommend thinking 'pop shove-it' or you might start missing the 360. First minor detail that caught my attention was seeing how parallel to the board you were preparing for the pop and how 'sideways' your approach of the trick looked, looks like you're really insisting on sweeping that tail around which again actually is fine too but may be awkward to combine with your tendency of also sending the trick in front of you, have you tried a posture where you'd be facing the nose and direction you're going a bit more? I feel like that's key to a lot in this trick, you sit back resting the majority of your weight over the back half of the board, lock your shoulders in that position and then you can do basically exactly what you're doing (and jump towards it). For the jump I feel like the front bolts are a good pre-indicator of just about where you're supposed to aim for landing so long as the board actually does what it's supposed to and doesn't go (or you don't go) off axis.
It took me months to even learn how to form that trick back in the day, so I'd say you're in fact doing pretty amazing. Also given your current habit I'd say maybe try and give fakie 360 flips a shot, those are commonly easier and basically rely on the exact technique you're showing now just in the wrong stance (going fakie should fix your problem with momentum).
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thanks for the feedback - some really useful stuff in there.
funnily enough i usually do kickflips and varial flips with pretty open shoulders - so i was actively actually trying to close them up here and keep them more parallel to the board... maybe i should try a few with that more natural open posture for me and see what happens.
I haven't really tried them fakie since making this progress so could be worth revisiting. I learned Fakie bigflips last year so when rolling fakie i have a tendancy to throw my shoulders with the trick.
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Ah if you have fakie big flips down then fakie 360 flip should be a given, assuming you can do fakie 360 shoves (non-popped), all you need to do is pretend you're doing one of those but then at the last moment, grip the concave to form just what you're forming here (and jump).
In regular stance on certain 360 tricks like that (impossibles are another instance for me) I find that it helps to visualize that when popping what you're really trying to do is send the tail through the nose but then also back up and around, forces you to go through imprinting the full 360 and then like I was saying you can just sort of sit there over the board and comfortably catch it.
Proneness to turn the shoulders on the fakie variant also means halfcab 360 flips (or fakie bigger flips or whatever fellow kids call them these days) will come very naturally to you as soon as fakie 360 flip clicks, they're essentially the same thing whilst turning just like fakie big flip is essentially a fakie varial flip whilst turning if we can even really call it turning the act of carving or reverting back into your natural stance. Come to think of it you might not even need fakie 360 flip for those, just throwing a fakie big flip around with more force and your newly developed technique for forming 360 flips it might work. Funny how that sort of seems to take mental training, teaching your brain to accept that yes it really is a safe option if the board goes around 360 before you catch it again.
A process I could see work out for you if you have access to a simple flat bank would be learning, in this order, fakie 360 flip on flat, then take that technique to 360 flips to fakie on the bank, and then transition over to 360 flips on flat.
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Ah if you have fakie big flips down then fakie 360 flip should be a given, assuming you can do fakie 360 shoves (non-popped), all you need to do is pretend you're doing one of those but then at the last moment, grip the concave to form just what you're forming here (and jump).
In regular stance on certain 360 tricks like that (impossibles are another instance for me) I find that it helps to visualize that when popping what you're really trying to do is send the tail through the nose but then also back up and around, forces you to go through imprinting the full 360 and then like I was saying you can just sort of sit there over the board and comfortably catch it.
Proneness to turn the shoulders on the fakie variant also means halfcab 360 flips (or fakie bigger flips or whatever fellow kids call them these days) will come very naturally to you as soon as fakie 360 flip clicks, they're essentially the same thing whilst turning just like fakie big flip is essentially a fakie varial flip whilst turning if we can even really call it turning the act of carving or reverting back into your natural stance. Come to think of it you might not even need fakie 360 flip for those, just throwing a fakie big flip around with more force and your newly developed technique for forming 360 flips it might work. Funny how that sort of seems to take mental training, teaching your brain to accept that yes it really is a safe option if the board goes around 360 before you catch it again.
time to get my ass out and practise some of this new stuff instead of doing my usual tricks all the time!
Hopefully my next post in here will be a landed tre flip :)
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Ah if you have fakie big flips down then fakie 360 flip should be a given, assuming you can do fakie 360 shoves (non-popped), all you need to do is pretend you're doing one of those but then at the last moment, grip the concave to form just what you're forming here (and jump).
In regular stance on certain 360 tricks like that (impossibles are another instance for me) I find that it helps to visualize that when popping what you're really trying to do is send the tail through the nose but then also back up and around, forces you to go through imprinting the full 360 and then like I was saying you can just sort of sit there over the board and comfortably catch it.
Proneness to turn the shoulders on the fakie variant also means halfcab 360 flips (or fakie bigger flips or whatever fellow kids call them these days) will come very naturally to you as soon as fakie 360 flip clicks, they're essentially the same thing whilst turning just like fakie big flip is essentially a fakie varial flip whilst turning if we can even really call it turning the act of carving or reverting back into your natural stance. Come to think of it you might not even need fakie 360 flip for those, just throwing a fakie big flip around with more force and your newly developed technique for forming 360 flips it might work. Funny how that sort of seems to take mental training, teaching your brain to accept that yes it really is a safe option if the board goes around 360 before you catch it again.
time to get my ass out and practise some of this new stuff instead of doing my usual tricks all the time!
Hopefully my next post in here will be a landed tre flip :)
You're closer than you might think, it's probably mostly mental at this point. Just remind yourself that getting hurt is part of this process sometimes You're going to have to deal with it at some point (especially as you age), so might as well go for it and try to make some progress. You do have to put quite a bit of effort in to both get the board around and jump high enough to let it happen, so I'd recommend starting with them as they can tire you out quick.
That being said, when I was learning them they started out as just sort of an angled 3 shuv that was like getting hit in the shins by a lawnmower so I bought a pair of those FP painkiller socks and they helped me be more confident in just going for them. They don't look like pads and they're pretty comfortable, only real issue I've had with them is they get pretty hot and I'm a disgusting sweat hog.
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Ah if you have fakie big flips down then fakie 360 flip should be a given, assuming you can do fakie 360 shoves (non-popped), all you need to do is pretend you're doing one of those but then at the last moment, grip the concave to form just what you're forming here (and jump).
In regular stance on certain 360 tricks like that (impossibles are another instance for me) I find that it helps to visualize that when popping what you're really trying to do is send the tail through the nose but then also back up and around, forces you to go through imprinting the full 360 and then like I was saying you can just sort of sit there over the board and comfortably catch it.
Proneness to turn the shoulders on the fakie variant also means halfcab 360 flips (or fakie bigger flips or whatever fellow kids call them these days) will come very naturally to you as soon as fakie 360 flip clicks, they're essentially the same thing whilst turning just like fakie big flip is essentially a fakie varial flip whilst turning if we can even really call it turning the act of carving or reverting back into your natural stance. Come to think of it you might not even need fakie 360 flip for those, just throwing a fakie big flip around with more force and your newly developed technique for forming 360 flips it might work. Funny how that sort of seems to take mental training, teaching your brain to accept that yes it really is a safe option if the board goes around 360 before you catch it again.
time to get my ass out and practise some of this new stuff instead of doing my usual tricks all the time!
Hopefully my next post in here will be a landed tre flip :)
You're closer than you might think, it's probably mostly mental at this point. Just remind yourself that getting hurt is part of this process sometimes You're going to have to deal with it at some point (especially as you age), so might as well go for it and try to make some progress. You do have to put quite a bit of effort in to both get the board around and jump high enough to let it happen, so I'd recommend starting with them as they can tire you out quick.
That being said, when I was learning them they started out as just sort of an angled 3 shuv that was like getting hit in the shins by a lawnmower so I bought a pair of those FP painkiller socks and they helped me be more confident in just going for them. They don't look like pads and they're pretty comfortable, only real issue I've had with them is they get pretty hot and I'm a disgusting sweat hog.
Tbh it's not even fear of getting hurt really, I eat shit on a semi regular basis, no stranger to occasionally landing primo on tricks that I have on lock... only hit my shin on these once today which wasn't too bad.
I'm finding the biggest challenge is physically jumping high enough to accommodate how high I'm popping the flip, I'm no spring chicken and as you say it tires you out fairly quick.
I think with most of my skating today it's the mental blocks rather than ability that hold me back...I've managed to surprise myself in terms of progressing how I have, but committing to some tricks is still a total head game.
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Got these kinda figured but still trying to get that front foot catch. Posting here if you have tips for that or if this can help you as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-N6Hp880pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0TP51-EgKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRijTniBH44
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Got these kinda figured but still trying to get that front foot catch. Posting here if you have tips for that or if this can help you as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-N6Hp880pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0TP51-EgKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRijTniBH44
Nice tres to be honest
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Got these kinda figured but still trying to get that front foot catch. Posting here if you have tips for that or if this can help you as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-N6Hp880pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0TP51-EgKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRijTniBH44
They look good.
In the second frame, you can see that before you pop, the back truck is leaning heavy towards the toe side.
Usually tres work a lot better for me if my trucks are flat or slightly leaning heelside before I pop, seems to help some people when I tell them, but unsure if its universal.
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Here’s where mine are at for now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P1WSLNeTlRI&feature=youtu.be
If you guys can see what I’m doing wrong and have pointers I’d gladly except the help. Trying to get these back before I hit 51.
@Skatebeard that’s damn good for only 2 days. @camel filters those looked good. Wanna trade?
No idea why it isn’t embedded. Sorry.
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Got these kinda figured but still trying to get that front foot catch. Posting here if you have tips for that or if this can help you as well.
They look good.
In the second frame, you can see that before you pop, the back truck is leaning heavy towards the toe side.
Usually tres work a lot better for me if my trucks are flat or slightly leaning heelside before I pop, seems to help some people when I tell them, but unsure if its universal.
I do notice the toe side thing. I think that was a remnant of a tip i heard before of making sure you almost wheelbite on the toe side to have more leverage for the light flick of the board. But I don't think they meant for it to be that exaggerated so I think you're right. I also think going more heel side will allow me to not travel so far in laterally.
@Plan9Customs you got that. I think your shoulders are opening up a bit causing you to be perpendicular to the board upon landing. maybe closing the shoulders a bit could make the landing line up a bit? Hopefully that could help you. Nice patio and dog! I'm jealous of the covered patio as I'm currently feeling the heat in texas.
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Here’s where mine are at for now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P1WSLNeTlRI&feature=youtu.be
If you guys can see what I’m doing wrong and have pointers I’d gladly except the help. Trying to get these back before I hit 51.
@Skatebeard that’s damn good for only 2 days. @camel filters those looked good. Wanna trade?
No idea why it isn’t embedded. Sorry.
shoulders
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Got these kinda figured but still trying to get that front foot catch. Posting here if you have tips for that or if this can help you as well.
They look good.
In the second frame, you can see that before you pop, the back truck is leaning heavy towards the toe side.
Usually tres work a lot better for me if my trucks are flat or slightly leaning heelside before I pop, seems to help some people when I tell them, but unsure if its universal.
@Plan9Customs you got that. I think your shoulders are opening up a bit causing you to be perpendicular to the board upon landing. maybe closing the shoulders a bit could make the landing line up a bit? Hopefully that could help you. Nice patio and dog! I'm jealous of the covered patio as I'm currently feeling the heat in texas.
Yeah I feel like its pretty hard to significantly miss or underflick on a tre. The way I think about it is to put pressure on the heelside on my front foot, so that the middle of my board is level or leaning heelside, that way my back truck can't be too far on the toe, and is probably flat or slightly heelside too. Thinking about it like that works for me, results in a better pop for sure
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Thanks. That’s what it looked like to me as well, but was hoping there wasn’t anything else I wasn’t seeing. Hopefully I’ll be throwing some makes up at some point.
Patios nice for when it’s raining but 100+ days it doesn’t help that much.
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Here’s where mine are at for now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P1WSLNeTlRI&feature=youtu.be
If you guys can see what I’m doing wrong and have pointers I’d gladly except the help. Trying to get these back before I hit 51.
@Skatebeard that’s damn good for only 2 days. @camel filters those looked good. Wanna trade?
No idea why it isn’t embedded. Sorry.
You're basically there. As someone else said, keep your shoulders straight and figure out the weight transfer and you'll be staying over top of them in no time. If you haven't already go back and watch the Chris Cole trick tip video earlier in the thread, the thing about using your head position to get a consistent balance point really helped me.
You're forming them pretty well already so I think if you really focus on keeping the shoulders square and sucking that front foot up and keep it above the board while it rotates you'll be able to land a couple next session for sure.
I hurt my back again and can't really do any flip tricks for awhile, so I'll probably need this thread too once I'm back in the saddle :(
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Thanks. That’s what it looked like to me as well, but was hoping there wasn’t anything else I wasn’t seeing. Hopefully I’ll be throwing some makes up at some point.
Patios nice for when it’s raining but 100+ days it doesn’t help that much.
When you're desperate enough, 100+ in the shade feels like an ac cooled warehouse in comparison haha.
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I just can never tell with this trick.
Regular 8.25 setup - 40 tries and I'll land 1 janky one
First time on an 8.5 (almost egg shape) setup - 2 tries and I roll away
(https://c.tenor.com/-HxsbwOYszYAAAAC/jontron-srsly.gif)
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I just can never tell with this trick.
Regular 8.25 setup - 40 tries and I'll land 1 janky one
First time on an 8.5 (almost egg shape) setup - 2 tries and I roll away
(https://c.tenor.com/-HxsbwOYszYAAAAC/jontron-srsly.gif)
It's so frustrating. For me, it's all about the first 5-6 tries. After that, the flick just gets progressively worse.
What's so hard is I know people can do them so easily, it seems like it takes no effort at all, just a little scoop and pop. Meanwhile I need to focus my entire body to maybe get one around and I don't understand why!!
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I just can never tell with this trick.
Regular 8.25 setup - 40 tries and I'll land 1 janky one
First time on an 8.5 (almost egg shape) setup - 2 tries and I roll away
(https://c.tenor.com/-HxsbwOYszYAAAAC/jontron-srsly.gif)
Egg ish boards scoop a bit better. I know this is a little but uncommon but I tend to tre a bit better on longer wider boards too, am tall with long legs so it helps me not overspin/flip.
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I just can never tell with this trick.
Regular 8.25 setup - 40 tries and I'll land 1 janky one
First time on an 8.5 (almost egg shape) setup - 2 tries and I roll away
(https://c.tenor.com/-HxsbwOYszYAAAAC/jontron-srsly.gif)
It's so frustrating. For me, it's all about the first 5-6 tries. After that, the flick just gets progressively worse.
What's so hard is I know people can do them so easily, it seems like it takes no effort at all, just a little scoop and pop. Meanwhile I need to focus my entire body to maybe get one around and I don't understand why!!
Its about having the correct weight distribution, and coordinating the scoop/flick with the jump. If all those pieces line up, it really doesn't take much more effort than a pop shuvit besides maybe staying in the air for a moment longer.
I'm at a similar point with sw tres. Most attempts feel like they take so much effort and don't work too well. But the ones I do land well feel pretty chill, like I didn't have to try that hard. Probably due to me having the exact right configuration/technique.
I know thats not too helpful because its vague, but know that there's a certain feeling to strive for when you practice them where it doesn't feel like too heavy of a trick
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I just can never tell with this trick.
Regular 8.25 setup - 40 tries and I'll land 1 janky one
First time on an 8.5 (almost egg shape) setup - 2 tries and I roll away
(https://c.tenor.com/-HxsbwOYszYAAAAC/jontron-srsly.gif)
It's so frustrating. For me, it's all about the first 5-6 tries. After that, the flick just gets progressively worse.
What's so hard is I know people can do them so easily, it seems like it takes no effort at all, just a little scoop and pop. Meanwhile I need to focus my entire body to maybe get one around and I don't understand why!!
Its about having the correct weight distribution, and coordinating the scoop/flick with the jump. If all those pieces line up, it really doesn't take much effort that a pop shuvit besides maybe staying in the air for a moment longer.
I'm at a similar point with sw tres. Most attempts feel like they take so much effort and don't work too well. But the ones I do land well feel pretty chill, like I didn't have to try that hard. Probably due to me having the exact right configuration/technique.
I know thats not too helpful because its vague, but know that there's a certain feeling to strive for when you practice them where it doesn't feel like too heavy of a trick
Yeah, that does make sense. I haven't figured out that point yet. I think I need to start fresh and sort of relearn them, they way I do them now the flick is really consistent but I don't get my front foot around for the catch, the board stays behind me.
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I just can never tell with this trick.
Regular 8.25 setup - 40 tries and I'll land 1 janky one
First time on an 8.5 (almost egg shape) setup - 2 tries and I roll away
(https://c.tenor.com/-HxsbwOYszYAAAAC/jontron-srsly.gif)
It's so frustrating. For me, it's all about the first 5-6 tries. After that, the flick just gets progressively worse.
What's so hard is I know people can do them so easily, it seems like it takes no effort at all, just a little scoop and pop. Meanwhile I need to focus my entire body to maybe get one around and I don't understand why!!
Its about having the correct weight distribution, and coordinating the scoop/flick with the jump. If all those pieces line up, it really doesn't take much effort that a pop shuvit besides maybe staying in the air for a moment longer.
I'm at a similar point with sw tres. Most attempts feel like they take so much effort and don't work too well. But the ones I do land well feel pretty chill, like I didn't have to try that hard. Probably due to me having the exact right configuration/technique.
I know thats not too helpful because its vague, but know that there's a certain feeling to strive for when you practice them where it doesn't feel like too heavy of a trick
Yeah, that does make sense. I haven't figured out that point yet. I think I need to start fresh and sort of relearn them, they way I do them now the flick is really consistent but I don't get my front foot around for the catch, the board stays behind me.
Have weight over the back (tail) a bit more before pop.
As for that feeling of it taking your whole body to get the board around, I recently had the epiphany of detaching the bottom half of my body from my top half for scoop tricks. Try to keep the top half as still as possible and don't let your legs determine the trajectory of your entire body. I find landing a lot more stable when I keep this in mind.
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Eggs definitely make for the easiest most consistent sexy tres without question
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Eggs definitely make for the easiest most consistent sexy tres without question
I guess I ride Heroin decks exclusively now
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Eggs definitely make for the easiest most consistent sexy tres without question
I guess I ride Heroin decks exclusively now
Lots of room to land too. I’m on the 9.25 rn and am enjoying the lack of toe/heel drag
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This trick definitely deserves it's on thread, I'll start it off by inserting the tips which silhouette shared in "Basic Ass Tricks Which Piss You Off" which addresses the most common issues (jumping way ahead of the board, catching on the nose):
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Also for those struggling with 360 flips, yesterday at the park I taught two kids how to land their first ones, they had that typical problem of being hunched over the nose so the board would stay behind them. By breaking down the correct posture and alignment for them I realized a good indicator that I've always subconsciously used but never really defined that helped them get their landings instantly, basically before you pop you need to be sitting just as far back (and with a straight back) as so that the knee on your front leg is past your face. Looking straight down your face and vision should be focused on your thigh and nothing past your knee. If you're seeing anything past your knee then the board probably won't go in front of you because you're too hunched over. That fixes your position in a way so that your center of gravity is properly adjusted to the motions of the trick and you can basically just sit through the execution as the board stays under you while flipping (as long as you don't do anything funny with your shoulders and keep them square). I guess the same stands for impossibles as well although I've always just done the latter without overthinking its execution nearly as much.
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Doing them recently I realized I was doing them in three mental steps, first mental step is to make sure my front foot is properly nested flat inside the concave at the right angle with the right spot over the center of the board (finding that sweet spot ensures that you won't miss the flick), second step is to make sure the big toe on my back foot comes hugging the tail the right way, third step is locking the shoulders and hips in position to make sure I won't try and body varial away from the trick and the board will stay under me, and if the feeling is right throughout those three steps then I commit for certain because then I know I'm in control of what's going to happen and thus nothing can really go wrong.
IG clip of Ben Degros showing the old school (tougher, more forceful) and new school (easier, more graceful) foot positioning
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAal3TElcvZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Been landing at least 1 a session these days, somehow on an 8.5 they are starting to click for me.
Like savant @silhouette mentioned:
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Switch pop shove is all in the big toe, if you lodge it in the right place of the tail (usually covering the tip but with the ball of the foot mostly resting inside) it will ensure the board will stay flat as it's a 'neutral' part that will rebound, that's how and why done right those can look like they barely ever leave your feet, usually I just think Jan Kliewer or Alex Carolino or most people from the Lordz/Square era really for a reference (it's also one of those tricks where you mostly face backwards, like switch ollies, otherwise it can be tempting to turn frontside unless you lock your upper body in place). Key to good front shove is try and eliminate all scoop, just pop straight down (again from the right spot on the tail so it doesn't start flipping) and watch the bolts come around. With that technique though just doing one frontside pressure flip once will fuck me up on them for days.
Can you elaborate a bit on that front shuv tip?
Front shuvs are sort of a monkey's paw trick for me where I can do them every try, but I hate how I do them. I do the the kind where you sorta jump backwards and I've tried every foot placement to prevent it.
Yeah, basically the logic is similar to what I was describing with the switch pop shove, just reversed, in both cases you want the center of the tail to hit the ground in an explosive manner (doesn't have to be strong pop - although that works too - but has to be sudden and fierce). On all shoves, if the board is (barely noticeably) off axis as the tail hits the ground because your foot positioning was applying pressure over incorrect spots, basically that's when the board starts flipping. For optimal technique and good control you want to think 'modified ollie' on those tricks and form them on your way up then catch them which is the only thing the front foot really has to do, which means you can drive pretty much all the force you put into the trick into completely vertical pop just from being set up right. A lot of the scoop is purely stylistic and optional if you want it to be (unless you're doing non-popped shoves), ties back into how I was saying pop shoves can feel like ollies when they don't leave your feet.
I had to dig deep for that one, but I found some I filmed for a shop Instagram back in 2016 with that technique, may be a better visualization:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BI8tLbWjSGo/
Very interesting. I've never heard it explained in those terms but that makes perfect sense. Definitely gonna go experiment with this.
You have quite a way with words when it comes to tricks!
To reiterate and add to what Silhouette wrote...
The whole trick is the force you apply with your back foot. Your front foot is simply there to catch it.
As a result it helps me imagine that my back foot is pushing / passing the board to my front foot.
When I do them regular the pop is snappier so the board rotates quicker and goes higher.
When I do them switch the pop is heavier so the board rotates slower and lower... but it looks like a more effortless trick
The thing to note with both ways is the pop and the body is a straight up and down motion like Silhouette said.
I like this analogy. I'm very excited to try this. I always did them with my back foot, but I always scooped real hard not considering his point about the board being off axis.
Started to think of 360 flips as the back foot passing the deck to the front foot, with a flip in between.
Couple of other things I focused on:
1) Jumping up instead of forward
2) Shoulders AND hips pointing straight, aligned with the rails of the deck
3) Head centered, not dipping past your toes
I still struggle with just scooping and catching with the front foot with the back foot stepping off to practice the front foot placement. Feels more like a 360 shove with a pressure flip like whythetrick does but I landed bolts and rolled away, I won't be picky for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEG5FZG--o&ab_channel=whythetrick
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Well, I'm still struggling with them but I've had a bit of a lightbulb moment with them recently. Someone mentioned it in passing here, but setting up like I would for a properly popped and caught pop-shuv but with different foot placement has corrected my weight distribution before I pop and the deck is no longer landing behind me or anywhere else but where it should be. I'm over-rotating the 360 part now, so I need to chill with the back foot motion and I'll be there.
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No matter what I do, they end up as a big varial flip.
as in higher but not the 360 spin.
I'm scooping as hard as I can but the flick seems to slow rotation and it only does a half
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I feel I am getting close, but then again I‘ve been feeling this for six months but never landed one.
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No matter what I do, they end up as a big varial flip.
as in higher but not the 360 spin.
I'm scooping as hard as I can but the flick seems to slow rotation and it only does a half
I remember I had that exact problem when first figuring them out as a kid (no one was doing them to teach me at the time where I lived), it was because in my brain the approach was to take something I was familiar with (varial flips) and rely on the same method but harder. That won't work (if anything if you got anything out of that technique then it would most likely be a 360 double flip), but as soon as I started prioritizing the 360 part despite being way less familiar with 360 shoves and basically completely neglecting the kickflip part is when the actual logic for them clicked and they started working. You want to focus on the 360 for now even if that means disregarding the flip. Then when you can form that and have the board fully come around underneath your feet (landing on half a flip with both feet is better and closer than 'landing' on a full flip with just one foot) you can try and refine the motion into a flip by interfering with the front foot at the right place and time.
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I feel I am getting close, but then again I‘ve been feeling this for six months but never landed one.
You'll get it man, just give it a few solid attempts every session and don't wreck yourself.
I never had this trick on lock but last session I did 2 in 10 tries, 1 with a tick tack roll away and the other caught 1/2 bolts. 1 of the park regulars mentioned front foot position being influenced by the type of scooper you are.
Hard scooper - front foot further back, you'll get both feet catching the board at the same time, you'll need to jump ahead of your deck to catch it
Gentle scooper - front foot further front, you'll get the front foot yo-flip catch, jump upwards to catch your deck
Head and shoulder aligned with the deck
Head over the deck
Jump up not forward
Think of it as passing your back foot to front foot
Bless this thread!
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Well I wanted to implement these new strategies last night but after landing 1 kickflip out of 30 I decided to postpone my training regiment.
What you are saying about the body alignment and foot position makes sense, I think I am flinging it to far down and doing a giant pop shuv/varial.
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Hey guys, I just got my 3 flips back, but the weird thing about them now is that they make absolutely no sound when I pop the trick. Am I even popping it or is this the mythical “ghost” pop I’ve only read about? Is it canonically even a 3 flip or am I accidentally doing some sort of pressure 3 flip?
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Hi - for background, I'm a 37 year old dude who skated a lot in my teens until early 20s, took about 10 years off while I worked in construction, shifted careers and found myself getting back into skating casually for 4-5 years, and in the last couple years skating consistently. I made a goal to learn 360 flips while my body can still take the abuse required to get them. Landed one fairly early on, then decided I wanted to get them consistent and get a good one on film. This took me almost 2 years - I took so many slams and injuries along the way, plus I live in Canada so winters took time off. The discussion on this thread definitely helped a lot - most the main helpful points have been reiterated several times but I have a few things I figured I'd add. Just last week I finally got a clean one on film (will post link below), so this is all still very fresh in my mind.
-Firstly, it's worth mentioning that one might want to play around with the tightness of their trucks. I am embarrassed to admit I tend to ride rather tight trucks (embarrassed because in my opinion it requires more skill to harness loose trucks), have been slowly loosening them over the past couple years. The day that I recently got the clean land, I was getting super close but not quite sticking it. Went over to my tool, loosened the back truck a half turn, and then cranked one out right after. My theory is that since my trucks were too tight, I was struggling to get the board to turn that 90 degrees you want it to turn before it pops off the ground. There's a real fine line of balance you need to achieve to get that spring and scoop just right off the back foot, and adjusting the trucks definitely helped me.
-As others have noted, you have to lean back more than one might expect. For me, in order to land this trick, I have to lean back to the point that it feels extremely awkward and unnatural. When reviewing my footage of attempts, I was frustrated to see that there were tons of times where the board popped nicely, spun around perfectly, and my front foot caught it - but my back foot just hung out and didn't commit. In hindsight, the reason that happened was because I FELT like I was leaning so far back that the board was just going to fling out in front of me so my body didn't bother trying to commit to the trick. The times I was committing were when I "felt" straight up and down, but in fact was leaning too far forward (often craning my head and neck forward), and was often landing but at goofy angles that often led to the board shooting out and smashing me into the ground extremely violently. I messed up my back, ankles, and wrists many times due to this. The only way this trick works for me is if I'm leaning almost comically far backwards, which feels very uncomfortable. Maybe I just have weak ankles or something that aren't comfortable with the level of pressure that needs to be built in that back ankle for the pop and scoop. So really pay attention to the position of your head, even if you think you're straight up and down, I've noticed many people will crane their head forward and this robs of you of the ability to generate the proper momentum.
-The way I was able to figure out how to control my posture and proper level of leaning back was to closely watch where my hands end up when I crouch down. I also have a tendency for my front shoulder to be too open for this trick. so I make sure my front hand is hovering directly over the middle of the board (side to side-wise), roughly around the bolts (front to back-wise). One major game changer for me was to also monitor my back hand - for me, it needs to be hugging my back knee, almost elbow nested on top of knee. The hand ends up above my back foot, and I try to make sure my back hand is slightly closer to the earth than my front hand (this will help ensure my weight is more to the back when popping, which allows me to jump straight up rather than up and forward, and also ensure more weight on that back foot during the split second of pop/scoop).
-Since I'm a hardheaded individual who often tries to do things more through brute strength than finesse, I also tend to try to use my leg muscle power to aggressively jam the tail into a scoop. Watching people who are good at this trick though, they don't seem to put such an insane amount of effort into the scoop like that. And when you do that, it makes it difficult to even fathom jumping back on the board after, because your foot ends up flying back super quick and aggressively and it's difficult to control it enough to bring it up to your chest and back to the board. One of the secrets of this tricks seems to be developing the timing of shifting weight right at the pop, making sure that there is so much tension and pressure on that back foot that when you jump, the release of your body from the board is enough in and of itself to spring the board into a 360 flip motion. Of course you have to make a conscious effort to do the scoop, but I imagine like me, other people are focusing too much on SLAMMING that scoop and not enough on the subtleties of weight distribution at the exact moment of the pop and jump. Anyway, the scoop is more about pressure than power or force.
Seems to me that unless you possess natural talent (which I certainly do not, every trick seems to take me 10x longer to learn than people who are actually good at skateboarding), you really just have to put in the time to consistently train your muscles to get used to this trick. There's a very specific way your back ankle needs to articulate to facilitate the scoop, and in that moment there is a lot of pressure on it too.
In October of last year, I was sooo close to landing this but couldn't get it, and I spazzed out one day at the park and just threw my board around then gave it away to some kid. I was ready to give up on my dreams of landing a tre flip. But it kept bugging me, I couldn't let it go. Bought a new setup this spring (actually bought like 4 boards to try different shapes) and made sacrifices in other areas of my life to make sure I could get this. Just trying to provide some motivation for anyone else who may be at a similar stage to me. This was definitely a "bucket list" item for me and even if I don't end up getting them consistent, at least I got one nice one on film. It's not perfect (I caught with both feet at once instead of front foot, my balance is a bit off on landing) but my feet are close to bolts and I rode away smooth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN3LXbvujfU
Check out my older videos too to see my progression. Thanks for reading, hope this helps someone even a tiny amount!
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Anyone have tips for adjusting to 360 flips on a longer board? I normally skate 14.38 and 32 long, broke that and have 14.5 and 32.1. Kick steepness and concave are the same but the kicks are a bit more tapered. Just can't quite get them down and went from high consistency to low. It's been fun to figure out how to adjust tricks and I know not everything will be the same but I'd like to figure it out and have more versatility in setups.
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Anyone have tips for adjusting to 360 flips on a longer board? I normally skate 14.38 and 32 long, broke that and have 14.5 and 32.1. Kick steepness and concave are the same but the kicks are a bit more tapered. Just can't quite get them down and went from high consistency to low. It's been fun to figure out how to adjust tricks and I know not everything will be the same but I'd like to figure it out and have more versatility in setups.
Front foot position more towards the middle helped me coming from an 31.75 long 14.25 wb board to a 32 long 14.38 wb. But they never been the same on the longer one.
I normally 360 flip first to second try on flat.
With the longer board and different front foot position I maybe landed 5 of 10 or so. And it made me more tired to.
Edit. I mean my front foot position further back.
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Trying them today I ended up foot further forward actually. My logic was since it's a scooping trick I want my weight on my rear foot obviously, but moving it further back got it too far from the front wheels and messed up my weighting on the tail.
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Took me a long time (almost 2 years to the birth of the thread) but I'm finally getting the hang of 360 flips. Meet a regular at the local park who has them on lock and was the first one capable of explaining the physics of it.
If your hips and shoulders are parallel with the board, your feet can be anywhere you're most comfortable but the weight distribution over your toes has to be diagonal across the deck from your scooping foot and your front foot. The weight distribution gets the board to flip automatically, and you adjust the scooping foot position from there to get more or less rotation.
Next most important thing is to just focus on jumping upwards, not forwards or diagonal, just upwards.
I coupled that with @silhouette's "passing the board from back to front foot" mindset and the catch came naturally.
Last thing he mentioned was catching with the trailing back foot (Felipe Gustavo / dog pisser style) is about catching it with the front foot and pulling it back under you. I always thought it was a very hard scoop and jump forward to catch it.
Landed more in today's session than I have in my entire life, first one within 2 tries too. Consistency tanked as the session wore on, I'm still doing them the pre-2010s style (very forceful) but I was catching them bolts on 1/2 the attempts.
To everyone struggling with this trick - this coveted trick is within reach!
Edit: I sized up from a 8.25 to 8.5 but I doubt that helped with the trick, figuring out the weight distribution for the scoop and was the game changer for me.
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Next most important thing is to just focus on jumping upwards, not forwards or diagonal, just upwards.
I coupled that with @silhouette's "passing the board from back to front foot" mindset and the catch came naturally.
I’ve really been working on these lately and this makes so much sense to me. I can’t wait to put these into practice.
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I was gifted some 46mm wheels, which I put on because they seemed like fun. Now maybe this is because I learned to tre flip on a 7.5" deck with ~46mm wheels, but if you're looking for a cheat code, this is as close a thing as I have found.
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Some observations on the front foot:
1) Having it more pointy helps with the flip. Having it close to the back foot results in a faster & easier rotation but result in catching it on the nose.
2) As much as this trick is "all" back foot, you need some pressure on the front foot for the flip and to control the catch. Focusing too much on the back foot usually results in squirrel-y landings.
3) In a last post I mentioned my head being over the back truck, but I was finding better success having it almost square beneath my feet for an even weight distribution (see #2).
I was gifted some 46mm wheels, which I put on because they seemed like fun. Now maybe this is because I learned to tre flip on a 7.5" deck with ~46mm wheels, but if you're looking for a cheat code, this is as close a thing as I have found.
I've yet to try lower trucks and smaller wheels on 360 flips, I got a pair of Ace 44 Low as my next truck and I'm sure I'll struggle on them. Cranking down a bit more on the rear truck really helps with a solid pop / scoop, that's the 1 occasion where I'd ride my trucks a little tighter.
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my advice
1) pressure all in back foot toes
2) you really need to lean into the toes hard & jump forward
3) scoop down (to get the pop) and scoop inwards towards your front foot (it pushes the board forward so you dont land on your nose)
4) tight back trucks make it a lot easier
5) make sure youre not leaning any direction when you jump, you need to jump straight upwards
6) perch your back foot so that the only thing contacting your board is the ball of your back foot & your toes which are wrapped around the tail as much as your shoe will allow
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my advice
1) pressure all in back foot toes
2) you really need to lean into the toes hard & jump forward
3) scoop down (to get the pop) and scoop inwards towards your front foot (it pushes the board forward so you dont land on your nose)
4) tight back trucks make it a lot easier
5) make sure youre not leaning any direction when you jump, you need to jump straight upwards
6) perch your back foot so that the only thing contacting your board is the ball of your back foot & your toes which are wrapped around the tail as much as your shoe will allow
Wait, where do I jump?
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Ideally you want to jump straight up - the more forward you scoop your board, the more it will stay under you and you will just need to jump vertically upwards to catch the board.
I've noticed on the attempts where I'm jumping far ahead of my board it's because of how I've distributed by body weight for the scoop. I focus too much of scooping the board behind me, and that naturally causes me to want to jump forward and away from my board.
Been playing around with some weight on the front foot, still diagonal but I make sure the weight is plated across the entire foot. That helps with giving it height and catch, focusing all my weight on the back foot results in a faux-Impossible and I land with my feet together like a bird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7zNGLgqMs0
I've tried keeping my feet close together like this guy does, it results in a fast rotating 360 flip but I can never catch it.
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Took me a long time (almost 2 years to the birth of the thread) but I'm finally getting the hang of 360 flips. Meet a regular at the local park who has them on lock and was the first one capable of explaining the physics of it.
If your hips and shoulders are parallel with the board, your feet can be anywhere you're most comfortable but the weight distribution over your toes has to be diagonal across the deck from your scooping foot and your front foot. The weight distribution gets the board to flip automatically, and you adjust the scooping foot position from there to get more or less rotation.
Next most important thing is to just focus on jumping upwards, not forwards or diagonal, just upwards.
I coupled that with @silhouette's "passing the board from back to front foot" mindset and the catch came naturally.
Last thing he mentioned was catching with the trailing back foot (Felipe Gustavo / dog pisser style) is about catching it with the front foot and pulling it back under you. I always thought it was a very hard scoop and jump forward to catch it.
Landed more in today's session than I have in my entire life, first one within 2 tries too. Consistency tanked as the session wore on, I'm still doing them the pre-2010s style (very forceful) but I was catching them bolts on 1/2 the attempts.
To everyone struggling with this trick - this coveted trick is within reach!
Edit: I sized up from a 8.25 to 8.5 but I doubt that helped with the trick, figuring out the weight distribution for the scoop and was the game changer for me.
i read this like a week or two ago and did a bunch that day, and have done a bunch since.
i could always do them if i tried, but not super consistent as a forward moving flatground trick. to fakie on a bank or quarter easily, and doing them fakie on flat also no worries. i feel like it's 1OO% the shoulders/hips that make a difference for me. it feels super awkward to hold myself like that for a regular flatground 36O flip still at this point, i guess from 2O or so years of being more forward facing, but it works. i realise when i do them in those other contexts that's how my shoulders are. so yeah, shoulders shoulders shoulders!
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Took me a long time (almost 2 years to the birth of the thread) but I'm finally getting the hang of 360 flips. Meet a regular at the local park who has them on lock and was the first one capable of explaining the physics of it.
If your hips and shoulders are parallel with the board, your feet can be anywhere you're most comfortable but the weight distribution over your toes has to be diagonal across the deck from your scooping foot and your front foot. The weight distribution gets the board to flip automatically, and you adjust the scooping foot position from there to get more or less rotation.
Next most important thing is to just focus on jumping upwards, not forwards or diagonal, just upwards.
I coupled that with @silhouette's "passing the board from back to front foot" mindset and the catch came naturally.
Last thing he mentioned was catching with the trailing back foot (Felipe Gustavo / dog pisser style) is about catching it with the front foot and pulling it back under you. I always thought it was a very hard scoop and jump forward to catch it.
Landed more in today's session than I have in my entire life, first one within 2 tries too. Consistency tanked as the session wore on, I'm still doing them the pre-2010s style (very forceful) but I was catching them bolts on 1/2 the attempts.
To everyone struggling with this trick - this coveted trick is within reach!
Edit: I sized up from a 8.25 to 8.5 but I doubt that helped with the trick, figuring out the weight distribution for the scoop and was the game changer for me.
i read this like a week or two ago and did a bunch that day, and have done a bunch since.
i could always do them if i tried, but not super consistent as a forward moving flatground trick. to fakie on a bank or quarter easily, and doing them fakie on flat also no worries. i feel like it's 1OO% the shoulders/hips that make a difference for me. it feels super awkward to hold myself like that for a regular flatground 36O flip still at this point, i guess from 2O or so years of being more forward facing, but it works. i realise when i do them in those other contexts that's how my shoulders are. so yeah, shoulders shoulders shoulders!
Props dude, I'm consistent at having 1-2 per session, and that's good enough for me after not landing them in 20 years.
Edit: shoulders parallel with the board + not dipping your head + scooping forward + some pressure on the front foot is the ticket for me, rolled away with 8-10 of them over the course of 4 hours, having a smooth floor really helps too
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my advice
1) pressure all in back foot toes
2) you really need to lean into the toes hard & jump forward
3) scoop down (to get the pop) and scoop inwards towards your front foot (it pushes the board forward so you dont land on your nose)
4) tight back trucks make it a lot easier
5) make sure youre not leaning any direction when you jump, you need to jump straight upwards
6) perch your back foot so that the only thing contacting your board is the ball of your back foot & your toes which are wrapped around the tail as much as your shoe will allow
Wait, where do I jump?
my bad, jump upwards
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its weird because you do jump slightly forward, but mainly upwards
i included #5 because i didnt want to give the impression that you're jumping 2-4 feet towards your toe side. youre really jumping only ~1ft forward to side, but when you're doing it, it most definitely feels like youre jumping straight upward & in your head, you want to be thinking that you're jumping straight up
when you treflip, your board will always move further forward toe side, this is because of the pressure from your back foot's toes
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i included #5 because i didnt want to give the impression that you're jumping 2-4 feet towards your toe side. youre really jumping only ~1ft forward to side, but when you're doing it, it most definitely feels like youre jumping straight upward & in your head, you want to be thinking that you're jumping straight up
Well said, I used to think that you had to scoop it hard and jump far forward to catch a fat one like Kalis.
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At first I didn’t know where to post this, or to post this at all, but today I landed my first switch 360 flip (albeit stationary and on a penny board…) using the tips and techniques from this thread.
https://instagram.com/stories/kuusela23/2977846535215955965?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Never give up
Chase your dreams
Yadda yadda yadda
Stoked.
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Had a bit of an epiphany with this one. I can sometimes do a decent one and sometimes my feet are super close together towards the middle or up near the front bolts. If you have the problem of landing like this, I figured out that having my head over my popping leg as I get ready to scoop helps a ton. It minimizes the tendency of my body landing front heavy on the board and also makes it easier for me to get that back leg to extend away from the front, ending up in a much more even weight distribution on landing.
TLDR: keep your head over the back leg as you pop.
Took yours and silhouettes advice. Can finally catch with my front foot. I’ve been struggling with only catching with my back foot for a few weeks now. I’m hoping to land one before I turn 30. Getting closer. Thanks Pals.
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Catching with the front foot is 75% of the battle, if you got that you're on the right track.
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Revisiting this thread to ask: how do you catch a 360 flip with your front foot?
My consistency is improving but on the ones I almost land I catch with both feet and that throws my weight off the board when my wheels hit the ground. The ones I do land I some times need to tick tack to adjust my weight, rarely do I land bolts.
Lost so many good attempts because I can't catch them bolts or with the front foot, feels like I catch them like Rowley instead of (can't think of an iconic 360 flipper at the moment)
(https://images.freeskatemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/02114921/16-9-geoffrowley_360flip_oceanside_swift1994-1024x576.jpg)
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Been flinging a couple randomly for the last 6 or so months. After reading the whole thread I got 2 feet on it for the first time last week. I will reply (possibly a long time from now) when I stomp one. Somedays feel like it's right there and some days it's like I've never tried them before, that's skateboarding. Please excuse the slo mo.
https://streamable.com/2jhu2w
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Any thoughts on which setups work the best? I guess small hard wheels might help a bit?
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Revisiting this thread to ask: how do you catch a 360 flip with your front foot?
My consistency is improving but on the ones I almost land I catch with both feet and that throws my weight off the board when my wheels hit the ground. The ones I do land I some times need to tick tack to adjust my weight, rarely do I land bolts.
Lost so many good attempts because I can't catch them bolts or with the front foot, feels like I catch them like Rowley instead of (can't think of an iconic 360 flipper at the moment)
(https://images.freeskatemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/02114921/16-9-geoffrowley_360flip_oceanside_swift1994-1024x576.jpg)
It is way better looking to catch them like Rowley than to do the front foot catch, I feel. At the height of the yo flip craze I would see kids at the skatepark, who could do perfect 360 flips, working on the front foot catch. It was mind boggeling to me why you would want to get an uglier 360 flip.
Only advantage I can see with the fron foot catch, is that it seems easier to kick the board away when you are skating gaps or stairs. When I would try to 360 flip down stairs, it was always a make or break type situation, while the yo flippers would just kick the board away with their fron foot, until they commited to a prefect one.
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This thread is great. Started trying these for the first time maybe a month or month and a half back. Had a major break through yesterday in figuring the scoop. Spent the last 90 min of the session just throwing em. Once i figured out the foot placement they’re starting to come along and are for the most part staying under me. I am however, turning my shoulders FS. Cant wrap my mind on how to keep em level woth the board.
I think i need to maybe jump higher like folks are saying
Also found a huge difference in tighter trucks snd a flatter board. I usually skate steep boards with finger tight trucks and the trick flips real ugly if at all. Tight and flat and the damn things are flipping with much less effort and look better even tho im not landong them.
Maybe im blinking or not looking at the board as it flips. Thats what ALWAYS get me, blinking that is.
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This thread is great. Started trying these for the first time maybe a month or month and a half back. Had a major break through yesterday in figuring the scoop. Spent the last 90 min of the session just throwing em. Once i figured out the foot placement they’re starting to come along and are for the most part staying under me. I am however, turning my shoulders FS. Cant wrap my mind on how to keep em level woth the board.
I think i need to maybe jump higher like folks are saying
Also found a huge difference in tighter trucks snd a flatter board. I usually skate steep boards with finger tight trucks and the trick flips real ugly if at all. Tight and flat and the damn things are flipping with much less effort and look better even tho im not landong them.
Maybe im blinking or not looking at the board as it flips. Thats what ALWAYS get me, blinking that is.
Tighter trucks helped me, as well as sitting my weight back over my heels and not dipping my head over toes, that prevents me from jumping over my board and keeps the deck spinning under me. Far from consistent but I'm doing at least a few every session with fewer attempts.
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This thread is great. Started trying these for the first time maybe a month or month and a half back. Had a major break through yesterday in figuring the scoop. Spent the last 90 min of the session just throwing em. Once i figured out the foot placement they’re starting to come along and are for the most part staying under me. I am however, turning my shoulders FS. Cant wrap my mind on how to keep em level woth the board.
I think i need to maybe jump higher like folks are saying
Also found a huge difference in tighter trucks snd a flatter board. I usually skate steep boards with finger tight trucks and the trick flips real ugly if at all. Tight and flat and the damn things are flipping with much less effort and look better even tho im not landong them.
Maybe im blinking or not looking at the board as it flips. Thats what ALWAYS get me, blinking that is.
Tighter trucks helped me, as well as sitting my weight back over my heels and not dipping my head over toes, that prevents me from jumping over my board and keeps the deck spinning under me. Far from consistent but I'm doing at least a few every session with fewer attempts.
Yea, the tighter trucks are making a difference for learning.
Im gonna have to post an almost make clip and see what slap think later today.
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Aside from the obvious (commit), any tips for getting your back foot on for the land?
I can spin the trick pretty consistently and it's staying under me, and catch it with my front foot...but my back foot goes to ground every. single. time.
Feels like this is the last hurdle and if I can land one I'll have them, but at the same time, it still feels pretty terrifying committing that back foot. I can fakie bigflip most tries and there's plenty of time in the air and travel of the board involved there... so I should be capable of a regular 360 flip.
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Aside from the obvious (commit), any tips for getting your back foot on for the land?
I can spin the trick pretty consistently and it's staying under me, and catch it with my front foot...but my back foot goes to ground every. single. time.
Feels like this is the last hurdle and if I can land one I'll have them, but at the same time, it still feels pretty terrifying committing that back foot. I can fakie bigflip most tries and there's plenty of time in the air and travel of the board involved there... so I should be capable of a regular 360 flip.
Have you tried intentionally putting the front foot on the ground and trying to catch it with the back foot? That often helps me to fully commit when I have the motion pretty much down. Doing that a couple of times tricks me into feeling safe enough to keep both feet in the air. I'm not sure how well that might work on a tre flip, but it could be worth a try. Other than that it really sounds like you "just" need to commit.
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Have you tried intentionally putting the front foot on the ground and trying to catch it with the back foot? That often helps me to fully commit when I have the motion pretty much down. Doing that a couple of times tricks me into feeling safe enough to keep both feet in the air. I'm not sure how well that might work on a tre flip, but it could be worth a try. Other than that it really sounds like you "just" need to commit.
tried that today and it kept messing up my scoop!
Did get somewhere however, I can't do regs 360 shuv/pop shuv, so had a session on those as i thought it may help with 360 flips in terms of jumping and keeping my feet in the air for the full rotation/committing.
After a very sweaty 30-40 mins i'd managed to land quite a few and step off, and that's more progress than i've ever made with that trick... damn hard to keep the board from trying to primo though. I think it'll help with 360 flips in the long run, and i'm not going to argue with getting popped 3 shuvs into the trick bag if i can manage it.
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Aside from the obvious (commit), any tips for getting your back foot on for the land?
I can spin the trick pretty consistently and it's staying under me, and catch it with my front foot...but my back foot goes to ground every. single. time.
Feels like this is the last hurdle and if I can land one I'll have them, but at the same time, it still feels pretty terrifying committing that back foot. I can fakie bigflip most tries and there's plenty of time in the air and travel of the board involved there... so I should be capable of a regular 360 flip.
Of course you are capable and I'd say landing that trick with the front foot is being closer than just landing it with the back foot as that means you are sending it 'in front of you' correctly and so have appropriate posture on the pop. Now you're supposed to add one element to what you're already doing which is jump off that back leg on the pop, bring those knees up, you want to be directly over that rotation you're throwing, picturing where the bolts are supposed to be or land might help at first (that's what the cheat was for me when I first learned them and had your problem; then after a while you stop thinking about it as you start automating proper catches).
If you can fakie big flip and fakie 360 shove (even popless) I'd recommend learning fakie 360 flips, they won't exactly help you with the regular ones since you already have the flick figured out from the sounds of it, but they're a way easier application of the principle (since you're not fighting against momentum, can just pretend you're doing fakie 360 shove but then oops your toe caught the concave and caused a flip), and also a fun and underestimated classy trick.
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Cheers man, yeah I should really put some time into fakie 360 flips as I've got fakie 3 shuvs and fakie bigflips dialled...I had sort of forgotten about trying them recently as I've been distracted by other tricks and the elusive regs 360 flip.
I'll have a little go at the fakie tres later this week and report back.
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I've landed both feet on exactly one 360 flip. Slipped straight to my ass.
I've noticed board shape has a lot of effect on how/if the flip works.
I can (sort of) rotate the flip, but I have no idea how the physics of the trick works. When it works and comes all the way around, I can *feel* that it *does* work, but my brain literally doesn't compute my action causing the boards reaction.
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Aside from the obvious (commit), any tips for getting your back foot on for the land?
I can spin the trick pretty consistently and it's staying under me, and catch it with my front foot...but my back foot goes to ground every. single. time.
Feels like this is the last hurdle and if I can land one I'll have them, but at the same time, it still feels pretty terrifying committing that back foot. I can fakie bigflip most tries and there's plenty of time in the air and travel of the board involved there... so I should be capable of a regular 360 flip.
I am at the same point and have been making zero progress for over a year despite trying ten every day.
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I'm not an expert but for me the more I moved my leg from my knee down to donkey kick the scoop behind me the more the lower limb snaps back forward.
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Aside from the obvious (commit), any tips for getting your back foot on for the land?
I can spin the trick pretty consistently and it's staying under me, and catch it with my front foot...but my back foot goes to ground every. single. time.
Feels like this is the last hurdle and if I can land one I'll have them, but at the same time, it still feels pretty terrifying committing that back foot. I can fakie bigflip most tries and there's plenty of time in the air and travel of the board involved there... so I should be capable of a regular 360 flip.
I am at the same point and have been making zero progress for over a year despite trying ten every day.
After so long, your muscle memory may be to the point where it's automated the action of putting the foot down as a way to get (part of) the rotation going which is what you and Skatebeard want to eliminate, or avoid. If forcing yourself to jump off the back leg doesn't work or interferes with your pop, maybe try them over a pyramid hip (approaching frontside so you can underrotate but not overrotate), they're so much easier than on flat off bumps off any kind (more air time and the incline just helps the board up) but I would recommend pyramid hip because that's a simple obstacle and if you can ollie it comfortably then you know exactly where your line should be, how you should be jumping and, eventually, where you should be landing. To fakie on a bank is (arguably) harder as the bank returns your momentum back to you and so the incline there won't help but make the trick feel more like a flatground fakie 360 flip. Slippery ground also might help because less friction means it takes less effort to send the board around, meaning you can prioritize the jump and the trick most likely will still form, gives you extra leeway to a certain extent. You'll figure them out!
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i'm mostly on that back foot hitting the ground and catching with the front foot as well, back foot hopping on the board. There will be a few caught with the back foot. Landed on 2 upside down ones with both feet today. playing foot games!
Like @silhouette is saying, i'm really really trying to jump off that back foot and such the knees up. In doing that, I've got to keep my eyes focused on the board.
I can't do small pop shove its, they're all high and stomped. I bring this up because I have a feeling that my 360 flip is going to be the same way. Once i get the pop/scoop down, they're gonna be high. I just need to get up and stay up!!!
regarding board shape, i've been messing with 3 set ups. Threw together an old orchard gangemi with a 14WB and that little thing is actually pretty sweet for this I think. mellow kicks, mellow concave and it's short.
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Landing with both feet on the board even if it's upside down after half a flip means you're closer than on any attempt where you get the full rotation but only one foot back on. Doing the latter means you know how to fling the trick and safely 'simulate' it which works to first figure them out, but after a while one needs to come to terms with and accept the reality that they actually can do the trick for real (which is big and more meaningful in skating one might think at first) and thus adjust their parameters in order to get the jump right which is the hardest part.
If you catch the board with both feet, regardless of what the board did, then that means your jump is correct, and if the board didn't fully flip then that means your newfound correct technique for the jump is weakening your habitual pressure points. Should keep the jump and just adapt the pressure points accordingly with time, you'll naturally figure them out at this point. I think I can visualize what you're doing because I've seen so many people learn 360 flips and would (obviously, naively) recommend insisting with the big toe on your back foot really pressing down on the toe-side rail as you pop, and the front foot being lodged well inside the concave wherever you feel the tension from the back foot builds up further up the board. Essentially exacerbate your foot positioning a little bit and you're there, ready to request a user name change to I Used To 360 Flip Less.
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Landing with both feet on the board even if it's upside down after half a flip means you're closer than on any attempt where you get the full rotation but only one foot back on. Doing the latter means you know how to fling the trick and safely 'simulate' it which works to first figure them out, but after a while one needs to come to terms with and accept the reality that they actually can do the trick for real (which is big and more meaningful in skating one might think at first) and thus adjust their parameters in order to get the jump right which is the hardest part.
If you catch the board with both feet, regardless of what the board did, then that means your jump is correct, and if the board didn't fully flip then that means your newfound correct technique for the jump is weakening your habitual pressure points. Should keep the jump and just adapt the pressure points accordingly with time, you'll naturally figure them out at this point. I think I can visualize what you're doing because I've seen so many people learn 360 flips and would (obviously, naively) recommend insisting with the big toe on your back foot really pressing down on the toe-side rail as you pop, and the front foot being lodged well inside the concave wherever you feel the tension from the back foot builds up further up the board. Essentially exacerbate your foot positioning a little bit and you're there, ready to request a user name change to I Used To 360 Flip Less.
Hah! You’re awesome!
Im also constantly trying different foot adjustments to see what works best. You mentioned muscle memory getting stuck in a non-landing place and i dont want to get stuck anywhere at this point.
I found it helpful this evening to roll slightly down hill. It felt as if was able to float with the board more or something
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Landed my first 360 shuv today.
Had a couple where I landed on the board upside down as well. Hoping this all builds into the next round of 360 flip attempts!
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Landing with both feet on the board even if it's upside down after half a flip means you're closer than on any attempt where you get the full rotation but only one foot back on. Doing the latter means you know how to fling the trick and safely 'simulate' it which works to first figure them out, but after a while one needs to come to terms with and accept the reality that they actually can do the trick for real (which is big and more meaningful in skating one might think at first) and thus adjust their parameters in order to get the jump right which is the hardest part.
If you catch the board with both feet, regardless of what the board did, then that means your jump is correct, and if the board didn't fully flip then that means your newfound correct technique for the jump is weakening your habitual pressure points. Should keep the jump and just adapt the pressure points accordingly with time, you'll naturally figure them out at this point. I think I can visualize what you're doing because I've seen so many people learn 360 flips and would (obviously, naively) recommend insisting with the big toe on your back foot really pressing down on the toe-side rail as you pop, and the front foot being lodged well inside the concave wherever you feel the tension from the back foot builds up further up the board. Essentially exacerbate your foot positioning a little bit and you're there, ready to request a user name change to I Used To 360 Flip Less.
Hah! You’re awesome!
Im also constantly trying different foot adjustments to see what works best. You mentioned muscle memory getting stuck in a non-landing place and i dont want to get stuck anywhere at this point.
I found it helpful this evening to roll slightly down hill. It felt as if was able to float with the board more or something
Thanks for being so kind. Muscle memory getting stuck somewhere is a thing that can happen but only as much as one lets it. All bad habits can be broken by willpower and so that means if someone's been getting too lazy or comfortable with incorrect technique they think they're stuck with it they're wrong about the latter, the reality they're trying to avoid is it's going to take extra practice to rewire and break out of their current dimension, but anyone can do it and so it shouldn't be a daunting or demoralizing perspective of a trap to possibly fall into, there always are ways back up such pits starting with the appropriate mental and so it's really up to each individual whether or not they're motivated enough for the adequate training, or content enough with their imperfections (both choices being equally fine and justified by the person's mindset, but most people naturally will want to dodge recognizing even is a choice). There actually is quite a lot going on on the psychological level there including deeply anchored triggers such as one's take on, and bravery towards letting go of the past to instead embrace the present, but unfortunately the average skateboarder isn't especially encouraged towards thinking on such terms - usually it's their shoes felt off today or something.
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Tried to do a pressure flip and it just goes around 360 flip.
Can’t land either.
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Landed my first 360 shuv today.
Had a couple where I landed on the board upside down as well. Hoping this all builds into the next round of 360 flip attempts!
The only diff is for 3flips, you perch your back foot upwards so your foot isn’t flat on the board & also you hang your toes off
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while I've landed a handful of 360 flips out of luck many years ago, I'm super fucking happy to say I'm super close to having them dialed down. I know im gonna explode of joy once I land one.
I'm at that point where I can do them sorta "easy" first try, but I have yet to put my back foot on the board.
For some reason I can't coordinate the flipping + the jumping.
Same thing with nollie heel flips/ kick flips and switch heels/ kick flips. One foot off and one foot on the board, dammit.
Fucking back foot!!
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while I've landed a handful of 360 flips out of luck many years ago, I'm super fucking happy to say I'm super close to having them dialed down. I know im gonna explode of joy once I land one.
I'm at that point where I can do them sorta "easy" first try, but I have yet to put my back foot on the board.
For some reason I can't coordinate the flipping + the jumping.
Same thing with nollie heel flips/ kick flips and switch heels/ kick flips. One foot off and one foot on the board, dammit.
Fucking back foot!!
landing front foot only is a common problem that stems from leaning back whilst putting too much pressure on your back foot, and not jumping properly up, but jumping sort of backwards
you want to have equal weight on both your feet at the beginning of the trick, transfer all the weight from the front foot to your back foot, scoop & jump straight up while sucking both your feet upwards. if you watch slow motion treflips, your back foot pretty much needs to dodge the board, but most people including myself dont think of it that way, we just bring our foot upwards
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Got a little closer last session and have started committing much more, think it's just a matter of time now - spending the time on 3 shuvs has helped massively, so worth a go if you haven't got those in the bag and are trying tres.
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while I've landed a handful of 360 flips out of luck many years ago, I'm super fucking happy to say I'm super close to having them dialed down. I know im gonna explode of joy once I land one.
I'm at that point where I can do them sorta "easy" first try, but I have yet to put my back foot on the board.
For some reason I can't coordinate the flipping + the jumping.
Same thing with nollie heel flips/ kick flips and switch heels/ kick flips. One foot off and one foot on the board, dammit.
Fucking back foot!!
landing front foot only is a common problem that stems from leaning back whilst putting too much pressure on your back foot, and not jumping properly up, but jumping sort of backwards
you want to have equal weight on both your feet at the beginning of the trick, transfer all the weight from the front foot to your back foot, scoop & jump straight up while sucking both your feet upwards. if you watch slow motion treflips, your back foot pretty much needs to dodge the board, but most people including myself dont think of it that way, we just bring our foot upwards
That makes sense, thanks! Will keep this in mind next sesh and keep ya posted:)
hang in there fellow frustrated tre flippers
we got dis
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More and more upside down un-landings with both feet on. was not really considering POP in this trick
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More and more upside down un-landings with both feet on. was not really considering POP in this trick
yeye, you just need to really pop harder to get more time for the board to finish its rotation
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I'm gonna read back through the thread to look for more pointers, but in the meantime....
I'm taking a BA-style approach, wider stance, heavy scoop, lumbering bigfoot style.
I'm so damn close to landing one. Flip is fairly consistent, as in the board fully rotates about 70% of the time, and I can visualize actually sticking it. The main issue is getting my front foot to follow through. Back foot finds the back bolts just about every time the trick works, and I stomp my front foot right next to the heelside front wheel on the ground - hard enough to hurt my knee lol
I've workshopped the trick into doing the thing, but putting the finisher on it it being a bastard. Is it a leap of faith to jump out and catch it, or will "the one" just randomly happen and it'll come around like nothing?
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while I've landed a handful of 360 flips out of luck many years ago, I'm super fucking happy to say I'm super close to having them dialed down. I know im gonna explode of joy once I land one.
I'm at that point where I can do them sorta "easy" first try, but I have yet to put my back foot on the board.
For some reason I can't coordinate the flipping + the jumping.
Same thing with nollie heel flips/ kick flips and switch heels/ kick flips. One foot off and one foot on the board, dammit.
Fucking back foot!!
landing front foot only is a common problem that stems from leaning back whilst putting too much pressure on your back foot, and not jumping properly up, but jumping sort of backwards
you want to have equal weight on both your feet at the beginning of the trick, transfer all the weight from the front foot to your back foot, scoop & jump straight up while sucking both your feet upwards. if you watch slow motion treflips, your back foot pretty much needs to dodge the board, but most people including myself dont think of it that way, we just bring our foot upwards
hang in there fellow frustrated tre flippers
we got dis
This thread is the support group I never knew I needed. As a serial v flipper I would sacrifice everything if I could tre all day.
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I remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just (attempt to) reiterate:
the trick is in what comes right before the popping
1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this straight, tail-to-nose, line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
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somehow remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just reiterate:
the trick is in what comes right before the popping
1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this vertical line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
Break it as in tear it in half, opposite directions!
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somehow remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just reiterate:
the trick is in what comes right before the popping
1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this vertical line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
Break it as in tear it in half, opposite directions!
This tip helped me get one after a 2 month hiatus. Thank you guys.
http://youtu.be/XNPwpSr9MUM
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Cool, solid one too!
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somehow remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just reiterate:
the trick is in what comes right before the popping
1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this vertical line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
Break it as in tear it in half, opposite directions!
This tip helped me get one after a 2 month hiatus. Thank you guys.
http://youtu.be/XNPwpSr9MUM
Monster sized!!! Hell ya ji
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I remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just (attempt to) reiterate:
the trick is in what comes right before the popping
1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this straight, tail-to-nose, line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
i can already tre flip consistently, but damn straight, this sounds about exactly right wrt what i already do
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Set up a fresh board on the weekend decided to try to get all 4
https://imgur.io/gallery/JDH5Zrr
Switch one needs a lot of work..
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The biggest thing when I’ve learned this trick in any stance is to pop then scoop. It’s been mentioned on here a bunch before and it really is the best tip to get perfect motion. Every time I miss it’s because I started scooping too soon and didn’t get a good enough pop first. Popping first gives a ton of leverage for the scoop
Wrapping the toes around the edge of the pocket as much as possible is also key for a good scoop.
Square up shoulders. Keep head over the middle of the board the entire trick. Head square between both shoulders
You need a good flick to guide the board. I personally stand on my toes a bit in the front foot rather than flat footed. Makes the flick easier for me but some people disagree. A good flick is only possible if you get a good pop (and scoop) first. Don’t put too much weight in the front foot during the set up though; the beginning of the trick is in the back foot 80%. In fact you’ll probably get ghost pop or flail around like an idiot if you have too much in your front foot
I think of this trick in 4 steps
Pop -> scoop -> flick -> land
I do them in that order.
My reasoning for that order:
I already explained above why I pop then scoop -leverage.
Next is the flick. If you flick (step 3) before popping or scooping (steps 1 & 2) the boards gonna do a 360 shuv with no kickflip rotation because the early slide start basically make getting a good scoop impossible because there’s already too much weight on the top of the board to flip at all. You probably wont even get a flick at all (it’ll be more like an ollie) because the board hasn’t popped enough yet (step 1) for it too meet your foot. That’s why popping is always the first step in this trick. The scoop (step 2) then makes the flick (step 3) way easier because the board is now rotating on an axis that makes the flick natural
If you’ve squared up your shoulders and jumped right, the board should be perfectly under you for the land (step 4).
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Just an additional tip to what has been already said in this topic:
It helps a ton to pre-cock your 360 flip before snapping it by pressing hard on the corner/pocket of the tail and simultaneously with your front foot onto the edge of the board, so as to create as much tension into the deck as you can.
Then as you snap the tail and scoop you release the tension by flicking your front foot off the board to make the 360 flip rotation literally explode to your feet.
This really works to make the board spin+flip so much quicker, so I encourage everyone to try it :)