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Title: Nose manuals tips...
Post by: LordManHammer on October 24, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Every time I try to get in to them I lean to far forwards or something squirrelly happens, what’s the deal?
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Post by: j....soy..... on October 24, 2020, 11:07:08 PM
I always over do one, then under do one....then lock in eventually....

No one old me about the toe...that works for me....hang my front toe, and push towards the wheel locks it in. 

Title: Re: Nose manuals tips...
Post by: peterpenis on October 24, 2020, 11:42:09 PM
While learning, what helped me "lock in" was approaching at an slight angle, so kinda doing a backside nosemanual.

My front foot is slightly facing forward and not parallel, also helps with bailing since you just can walk out.
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Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on October 25, 2020, 04:33:24 AM
Don't be leaning your body over the front before you pop, you need to shift it forward as you're in the air instead. Also make sure you lock up your front leg when you get in or you'll collapse over the front
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Post by: Beeker on October 26, 2020, 07:14:16 AM
Doing stationary nose manuals for hours really did it for me. I used cruiser wheels so I could do it in the house. It came natural to ollie into it after I spent mucho time just building my nose manual balance. Spend 15 minutes a day working them out on a pad and some extra time at home working on your balance and they will come in no time.
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Post by: Stu Pickles on October 28, 2020, 12:56:20 PM
im not the greatest at them but I found practicing on flat and doing curb high ollies into nose manuals helped a lot with the feel of landing in them, and if you have enough space you just hold them as long as you can.

Someone once told me that when holding the nose manual, focus on keeping the back truck in the air. It seems redundant but that mind trickery helped me become comfortable making those adjustments while balancing
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Post by: Beeker on October 28, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
im not the greatest at them but I found practicing on flat and doing curb high ollies into nose manuals helped a lot with the feel of landing in them, and if you have enough space you just hold them as long as you can.

Someone once told me that when holding the nose manual, focus on keeping the back truck in the air. It seems redundant but that mind trickery helped me become comfortable making those adjustments while balancing

I think about keeping the tail in the air, but I do it when getting into them, it does seems to make it more consistent.
Title: Re: Nose manuals tips...
Post by: j....soy..... on October 28, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
Yep....when I keep fucking up my front foot I focus on getting my back foot right.....
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Post by: silhouette on October 31, 2020, 12:57:42 PM
Every time I try to get in to them I lean to far forwards or something squirrelly happens, what’s the deal?

You have to think of them as exactly what they are which is a weight shift from the back leg (for the pop) over to the front leg (for the position). If you didn't have a skateboard under your feet, you'd basically be doing a sidestep (I actually tell kids that a lot to help them figure out ollies). Ollieing into them on flat is harder than doing it up stuff, I'd recommend finding a low curb to start, or if you're comfortable with shove-its with no pop try and learn to hold shove-it nosewheelies on flat (since you don't pop that trick it's not as disorienting to try to figure out the jump, and without an obstacle you have less parameters hindering your grasp on the subtleties of the trick itself). Funny to hear about that other poster thinking of them as a backside trick as I've always approached mine like a frontside trick, my shoulders are open from the roll up to the dismount and I never move them as it's my hips and legs doing all the work. I push down on the nose with my front foot and the back foot provides the right amount of opposite leverage as my center of gravity remains, well, centered. Once you've gotten familiar with 'the zone' it should come easy (and it's a great trick).
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Post by: SneakySecrets on October 31, 2020, 05:34:56 PM
Just recently got back into doing these and they’re for sure a lot of fun.

This might be kind of obvious/cliche advice but I try to have my head directly above the front bolts.

My major problem with these is not really having the finesse to nudge out of them properly.  I frequently end up just primitively taking my front foot off the board altogether, resulting in a rather gross clickity-clack landing.
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Post by: j....soy..... on November 02, 2020, 10:53:09 PM
I find screaming 'YES' when my back wheels don't hit distracting.......
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Post by: Sila on November 09, 2020, 04:14:32 AM
What helped me personally is having the popping foot closer to the bolts
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Post by: Skatebeard on November 17, 2020, 12:44:10 AM
These finally clicked for me yesterday, was able to get the pinch and keep some going for a good 7-8ft.

the head above the front bolts trick definately works, also for me it was mostly about committing and not being afraid to let the front of the nose dip close to the floor.

Certainly felt like a breakthrough, but popping into them will be a different story altogether.
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Post by: treflips_up_yer_nan on November 17, 2020, 12:52:41 AM
I never tried these ever since one dude at my locl nearly died doing one on flat. Blood everywhere, shit was fucking nasty.
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 17, 2020, 03:56:54 AM
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im not the greatest at them but I found practicing on flat and doing curb high ollies into nose manuals helped a lot with the feel of landing in them, and if you have enough space you just hold them as long as you can.

Someone once told me that when holding the nose manual, focus on keeping the back truck in the air. It seems redundant but that mind trickery helped me become comfortable making those adjustments while balancing
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I think about keeping the tail in the air, but I do it when getting into them, it does seems to make it more consistent.

Oh, this is a good one I think, will have to try! I am good once locked in, quite comfortable holding and adjusting Nose Manuals. But I tend to be too careful when locking in and put the back truck down a lot of the times. Thinking about adding pressure or moving the weight forward does not really do the trick for me.
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Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on June 01, 2021, 04:15:58 AM
I've never been amazing at nosemanuals but can do them fine. The last few months though something weird is happening where I can't seem to keep my front leg straight, I kind of start collapsing downwards and my head gets way too low. Obviously makes me way less consistent at getting in and holding them. Anyone else experienced this? I feel like it might be something to do with my front foot struggling to take my bodyweight since I injured it a bit but I'm not sure.
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Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on June 03, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
I've never been amazing at nosemanuals but can do them fine. The last few months though something weird is happening where I can't seem to keep my front leg straight, I kind of start collapsing downwards and my head gets way too low. Obviously makes me way less consistent at getting in and holding them. Anyone else experienced this? I feel like it might be something to do with my front foot struggling to take my bodyweight since I injured it a bit but I'm not sure.
You probably had a bad session where your leg/foot was tired and you got in to a habit of neglecting your core and shoulders, believing it was all a leg problem. I guess I’m trying to say that you might be focusing so much of your energy making sure the leg is good, it’s throwing the other parts of the manual off that you usually take for granted.
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Post by: lazer69 on June 07, 2021, 11:46:37 AM
Sometimes I can get into them and balance them. My problem is the exit. Idk how to cleanly pop or nudge out. I just end up doing basically a lil hippy jump when I try to nudge out. I have the same problem with bs nosegrinds.

I just dont feel that tension that gives you control to pop out. Like when I do manuals or  fs 5.0 i feels this tension or leverage so i can pop out no problem.
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Post by: biaherl on June 07, 2021, 01:05:19 PM
I've been trying for years. I'm convinced that the trick is CGI in post

I landed a G-turn in '87 and that was it
Title: Re: Nose manuals tips...
Post by: Hubba Bo-Tep on July 25, 2021, 09:10:30 AM
Study John Dilo. 

Along with subtly shifting body weight from back to front you also need to get the back foot over the back bolts before setting the nose down.
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Post by: MaXX_I-D on July 25, 2021, 09:57:27 AM
I landed a G-turn in '87 and that was it
G-Turns are Gangster
Title: Re: Nose manuals tips...
Post by: sceatmon on August 15, 2021, 08:42:58 PM
Probably not the best tip but keeping my eye on the end of the pad helped me a lot while I was learning them. I also found it easier on slightly higher ledges, as it's more difficult to balance when you're dropping down into it.
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 16, 2021, 08:52:50 AM
More of a mental trick than trick mechanics, however it has helped me get pretty consistent with my Nose Manuals. Prerequisite is a solid flat ground Nose Manual. When I pop the only thing I focus on is anticipating myself on the pad, in a perfectly balanced Nose Manual. Almost like I beam into it, I completely disregard any specifics of getting into manual position. I tried the balancing back foot instead of pushing down front foot tip for more consistency from earlier in this thread, but it didn’t work. Turns out when I simply skip part of the trick mentally I can do it better. I suppose I am tricking myself into relying on muscle memory more and it’s a bit generic for a trick tip, but I was really surprised how well it works with Nose Manuals. Regular Manuals work completely different in terms of how I do them.
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Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on August 20, 2021, 05:27:11 AM
Land with more weight than you’d think in your back foot. Keep head directly above front bolts at all times. After lock in, just stare where you want to go
Title: Re: Nose manuals tips...
Post by: Mean salto on September 15, 2021, 11:08:48 AM
Easier with indys than ventures and thunders.
I kind of lean back and don't try to lift my back wheels too high off the ground. I feel it's way easier to go far with your back wheels pretty low.
Also when I was learning I found it way easier with my board backwards but I don't really know what that's about. Some geometry bullcrap I guess
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Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on June 18, 2022, 06:36:50 AM
Bumping as this question isn't worth starting a new topic -

When you do nollie nosemanuals, are you supposed to approach with your weight already leant over into the nosemanual before you pop, or do you approach it with your weight up like normal and then lean over the front when you're in the air? I tend to do the latter which helps me pop but then always put my back wheels down almost immediately. If I try do the former I either smash my nose into the curb or land with my weight too far forward
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Post by: commie on August 06, 2022, 06:46:15 PM
Bumping as this question isn't worth starting a new topic -

When you do nollie nosemanuals, are you supposed to approach with your weight already leant over into the nosemanual before you pop, or do you approach it with your weight up like normal and then lean over the front when you're in the air? I tend to do the latter which helps me pop but then always put my back wheels down almost immediately. If I try do the former I either smash my nose into the curb or land with my weight too far forward

I keep my weight more forward, just behind the front truck as I pop. I put a lot of emphasis on dragging my back foot to get that nose and truck up and onto the manny pad. It also helps to go faster and pop earlier.
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Post by: SaySo on August 11, 2022, 08:14:01 PM
I've never been great at this, but as I get older I figure it's one of those crucial fundamentals that I should focus more on.

Plus manuals, in my opinion, just feel dope.

I find pushing the nose down further than I think I should has helped a lot. This is probably just the commitment factor, but it seems to be easier to balance that way.

I've been doing more strengthening exercises - legs, and core - mainly to reduce the risk of injury/speed up recovery but as a side-effect those exercises have helped out a lot not only with nose manuals but also manuals in general.

I agree with what a previous poster said that nose manuals do seem to be easier on Indy's, but that might be due to a lot of different madness inducing factors that I don't really want to think about - they seem to have a lot more slack/room for error.
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Post by: Mean salto on August 12, 2022, 12:29:05 AM
I'd also for sure say they are easier on indys but look at the thunder and venture teams, they have manualers.
Weird dumb tip if you're failing and feel like you can't get the right leverage: try riding your board backwards. Worked for me when I first learnt them. Think I was riding ventures at the time.
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Post by: SaySo on August 12, 2022, 05:47:33 AM
I'd also for sure say they are easier on indys but look at the thunder and venture teams, they have manualers.
Weird dumb tip if you're failing and feel like you can't get the right leverage: try riding your board backwards. Worked for me when I first learnt them. Think I was riding ventures at the time.

Hahaha, yeah, for sure the teams have manual-ers. I was referring to us mere mortals, the hoi polloi.

Many pros can rip virtually anything you put them on.
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Post by: Allen. on August 12, 2022, 07:37:01 AM
Idk if anyone has said it but when learning the motion / weight distribution, do an exaggerated ollie where you don’t really hit the tail.
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Post by: roba on August 24, 2022, 08:50:46 AM
Easier with indys than ventures and thunders.
I kind of lean back and don't try to lift my back wheels too high off the ground. I feel it's way easier to go far with your back wheels pretty low.
Also when I was learning I found it way easier with my board backwards but I don't really know what that's about. Some geometry bullcrap I guess

i learned nose manuals on thunders, switched to aces, did nose manuals on those for 4 years, then switched to venture, and i can still nose manual just as easy as before.

the hack for nose manuals is to put most of your weight in the pocket of the nose, for me that's the toeside pocket but i guess that's personal preference. your front foot should be somewhere between the bolts and the tip of the nose, but definitely not at the tip. it's easier to nose manual with both of your feet on the bolts than with your front foot on the tip, unless you're skating a board with no nose (like natas used to do). the main disadvantage of this technique is that it's harder to 180 out in the opposite direction of the pocket where you put your weight, i for example can't really bs 180 out of nose manuals unless i'm turning backside while manualing.
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Post by: j....soy..... on August 30, 2022, 10:04:34 AM
I skated Ventures and Ace lows lately, each truck has its advantages….Ace you can kinda not land in it and squiggle into it, but you can never really lock right in.  A venture you can just put all your weight in the pocket and chill….

The one thing I’ve noticed on nose manuals is I’m often passive when I need to be holding it.  The pressure has to be through your front foot all the way down to your wheels.  Not necessarily pushing down hard, but you need to be engaged.  Manual I don’t even think of it….but nose manual it’s like I’m throwing up my hands for a touchdown pass and I’m mad that I just let it slip through my fingers…..