don't forget that Ye is on the ballot
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Pretty sure this is a skate forum. Take that shit to Facebook like a man!!!!
don't forget that Ye is on the ballot
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government
No Fred Gall option. Not a valid Poll
If you vote anything other than Biden you're less than human to me.
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government
Voted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide. If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance. This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime. Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.
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Slavery? What are you, 14? They fucking love it that you don't vote.
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This. Holy shit this.
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They fucking love it that you don't vote.[close]
Expand QuoteVoted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide. If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance. This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime. Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.[close]
I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.
Just remember no matter who you vote for the rich stay rich, the poor stay poor and bombs keep dropping on brown people.
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You act like you care that the "poor stay poor", but it's such obvious bullshit. You don't care. Don't act like it. You just want to feel superior to both parties because they don't 100% align with whatever your beliefs are, like an edgy middle schooler.
Name one issue affecting the poor that the Democrats don't have a better stance on. No one's saying that the Democrats are perfect, but the "both sides are the same" bullshit is literally a Republican strategy put out in the hopes of suppressing the vote while they go systematically eliminating labor unions/worker's rights, healthcare, public works, welfare... basically every single policy imaginable that helps people who aren't born into money.
All jokes aside, if you can vote, vote.I’m on this logic as of lately, we know Trump is a goon with a fucked mob of boneheads to back him up, but I’d rather have some normalcy with a politician who is probably going to do the same thing but not as bad.
The whole “both sides are the same” argument kind of went out the window in 2016 and we have a wannabe fascist AND a corrupt political party shielding him that must be voted out.
Voting matters. If it didn’t, Republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to make it difficult to do.
Expand QuoteVoted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide. If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance. This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime. Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.[close]
I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.
I think it's interesting that the Democratic party decided to make the same mistakes this election as the last. Biden's quote of, "if you don't vote Biden, you're not black" or whatever the exact quote was is laughable. Biden, just like Hillary, is obviously banking on the black and female vote. For whatever reason she was, and he is, very confident they had it.
Not that Trump is by any means better. I think a lot of people voted for Trump as a joke or because they were bummed on what the DNC did to Bernie. No one was really passionate about Hillary or Biden and Trump supporters are definitely into the dude.
I think it's pretty lame there's still only two choices. Some more, "better" parties, will hopefully stand a chance at some point. Politics are politics though and the president is just a figurehead to a certain extent. Trump getting elected definitely exposed how shit of a system it all is if anyone was unaware before. The next president can just come in and apparently say "fuck everything the last president did".
Expand QuoteI think it's interesting that the Democratic party decided to make the same mistakes this election as the last. Biden's quote of, "if you don't vote Biden, you're not black" or whatever the exact quote was is laughable. Biden, just like Hillary, is obviously banking on the black and female vote. For whatever reason she was, and he is, very confident they had it.
Not that Trump is by any means better. I think a lot of people voted for Trump as a joke or because they were bummed on what the DNC did to Bernie. No one was really passionate about Hillary or Biden and Trump supporters are definitely into the dude.
I think it's pretty lame there's still only two choices. Some more, "better" parties, will hopefully stand a chance at some point. Politics are politics though and the president is just a figurehead to a certain extent. Trump getting elected definitely exposed how shit of a system it all is if anyone was unaware before. The next president can just come in and apparently say "fuck everything the last president did".[close]
the enthusiasm this cycle for Biden compared to Hillary is WAAAY different. People are mobilized and are coming out for Biden because of the last 4 years. Trump is president because people hated Hillary Clinton THAT MUCH. No one except the 25-30% of die hard Fox News Trumpers like the guy.
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteVoted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide. If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance. This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime. Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.[close]
I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.[close]
I have questions about the need for a vibrant third party in our current system. In a parliamentary system where a coalition would need to be formed in order to represent the popular vote threshold, I see the point and need for a vibrant makeup of political parties. However in our current system, a strong third party would mean that the eventual winner would represent an even smaller percentage of voters than the current “one or the other” system. I’m far from thinking the current system is perfect, but I’m have reservations that a third party would be some great salve, particularly a libertarian party bc their beliefs can never work in actual practice bc it’s the political equivalent of taking one semester of college, not hacking it, then pretending you left on your own bc street smarts are more important than book smarts
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.[close]
Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.[close]
Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.[close]
Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.[close]
Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.[close]
Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.[close]
is this some attempt at a joke? or is DP serious? what the fuck is going on
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.[close]
Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.[close]
Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.[close]
is this some attempt at a joke? or is DP serious? what the fuck is going on
Already getting notices to not expect to hear a result the morning after election day. Thoughts on how long this could draw out?Until the supreme court gives him what he wants.
LMAO, lil wayne supporting trump https://imgur.com/gallery/nag0x0z
and there I was thinking that there could be no bigger idiot than kanye
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for real. I feel like this last vote, supporting 2 states rights to count mail in votes after 3 Nov, could be a scam to shut people up a bit. I remember Bush V Gore and all that shit, Supreme Court is not an arbiter of fair elections
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government
Maybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.
It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?
Expand QuoteMaybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.
It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?[close]
You seem to understand the facts- the states are most certainly changing regulations within a month before the election with the intention of invalidating votes and confusing voters. The Right establishment very much understands that if the majority of American people are able to vote, the Right will lose official power, hence extreme, partisan, racist voting rules. It's very, very fucked up
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.
It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?[close]
You seem to understand the facts- the states are most certainly changing regulations within a month before the election with the intention of invalidating votes and confusing voters. The Right establishment very much understands that if the majority of American people are able to vote, the Right will lose official power, hence extreme, partisan, racist voting rules. It's very, very fucked up[close]
Awful.
Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry yeah were fucked either way .
Trump is scum, no doubt. That said, how is Biden in anyway better? Have you seen his history as a politician? He helped author the crime bill that disproportionally put young black men in prisons. I'm supposed to think he's the better option? No thanks. Trump sucks; Biden sucks just as much. The difference between the two is that Biden has a crew of PR people writing down everything he says to not offend easily manipulated people.
I won't be voting for either of those scum bags.
Gibberish
Trump is scum, no doubt. That said, how is Biden in anyway better? Have you seen his history as a politician? He helped author the crime bill that disproportionally put young black men in prisons. I'm supposed to think he's the better option? No thanks. Trump sucks; Biden sucks just as much. The difference between the two is that Biden has a crew of PR people writing down everything he says to not offend easily manipulated people.
I won't be voting for either of those scum bags.
Both sides are the same.
Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry yeah were fucked either way .
Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry yeah were fucked either way .
Since most of us are below the $400,000 a year income that Biden is proposing to tax higher (and only the amount exceeding that would be taxed higher), we would not see any higher taxes. I know this is an op-ed piece, but there is a graph showing how much less the wealthiest have been paying less over time as they have gotten richer.Expand QuoteSocialist comunist left or trumps bigotry yeah were fucked either way .[close]
A lot of people who don’t really understand these -isms love to throw them around and conflate the two.
Living in a socialist democracy is a lot like living in America except wage disparity is low, healthcare is free for children and astonishingly affordable as an adult*, same for dental care, education is equitable and free, government corruption is kept in check, infrastructure is maintained, and overall quality of life is higher because everyone earns a comfortable living wage and no one gets kicked to the street if they lose their job.
Drawback: you will pay more in taxes, but the net gains on that compared with capitalism skew positive when you consider how much has to be paid out for education, healthcare, etc.
*No, lines aren’t long and you will get expedited depending on severity of your symptoms
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Play around with this if you want to make yourself sick:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-Electoral-Interactive-Map
I am betting the following:
Trump: Georgia, Florida, North and South Carolina and Arizona.
Biden: Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and...
It comes down to Pennsylvania. Whoever wins PA will win the election which is why both Biden and Trump were in PA today.
Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Kentucky in the middle. The fact that Ohio is looking like a lock for Trump is frightening.
But...I believe Biden will win PA and go on to win 279 to 259.
Trump will win Texas also and the Senate will be split 50:50 to add to the partisanship across the country. Anyone else got a hot take?
I also desire one of those stickers
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I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.
This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?
I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.
This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?
Been seeing more and more MAGA dorks in my area as of late. Lifted trucks and huge "no more bullshit" and "blue lives matter" flags hanging in their beds. Shit is sickening.
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?
What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?
What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?
What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?
I also desire one of those stickersNo fucking sticker for me.
No sticker but got a tiny pen with my ballot. Tiny pen was mine to keep and says "I voted" on it.No fucking sticker for me.Expand QuoteI also desire one of those stickers[close]
Expand QuoteYeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?
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Can you send the analysis you are looking at? You are in Slovenia correct?
Interested in what you are seeing.
Keep in mind that economic analysis also has a bias.
I like to follow Paul Krugman even though he has a liberal bias. That is mainly because I was raised in a liberal house much like someone raised as a Catholic and so forth.
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Thanks
I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.
This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?
Today, I found this on google:I wonder if farm income went up because of all the subsidies we've given to farmers recently or because there has actually been an increase in sales/profit (the tariffs war with China opened up a huge part of the agricultural market to Brazil. Trump Brazil a huge favor.)
https://qz.com/1907578/us-president-donald-trumps-economic-record-in-13-charts/
But it just rehashes the same indicators that I've seen across traditional media that trump would like to discredit.
Have to say that working multiple jobs is "unheard of" (not really, but it is very unusual) here in Slovenia. Thanks for the replies form the frontline, because I don't really see these positions in the media with a good statistical data representation.
I hope your tiny PEN IS something that brings you great joy for years to come! ;)No sticker but got a tiny pen with my ballot. Tiny pen was mine to keep and says "I voted" on it.Expand QuoteNo fucking sticker for me.Expand QuoteI also desire one of those stickers[close][close]
WHO IS WATCHING? NAIL BITING!!!
For the past 9.5 years my job has been probably the one job where you are in most contact with people in poverty and seeing first hand their situation/finances. I haven't noticed any change besides when I first started in 2011 and the economy was still fucked, that was gnarly how busy we were, but by around 2014 that phase was kind of gone. From my perspective things have not changed in that time. I don't have a bunch of people who now have great jobs. It's the same shit. Actually things will be slightly worse because new requirements have been put in place for people who need assistance. The only reason it hasn't had as much of an effect is because when everything happened this year they put in place a lot of waivers because they had no choice. Those are still set to take effect here soon but they have been extending waivers.
The only reason I am doing any better is because I get annual raises and moved home because it was too hard to make it on my own. Nothing the president has done has made it better for people in need, at least from my view as a "1st line worker" for that kind of thing. More hurdles have actually been added and the only reason they haven't played out is because the pandemic keeps putting the changes out a couple months.
When I'm finally out of this job in a few days I can talk more openly/directly about all that.
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You guys watching msnbc? CBS? Fox? CNN? Twitter? Not trying to get wrapped up in every little early report but curious.
NC checking in: We’ve bitten off all our fingernails at this point. Starting on the toes...
where y'all seeing that trump has this in the bag?
where y'all seeing that trump has this in the bag?
Well shit, I didn't see this coming.
I'm amazed how many Americans really love the idea of fascism. Good luck. The next four years are going to fucking crazy. And, Don Jr. 2024 will be even better.
2020 sucks, what did we expect? Good news?
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I'm amazed how many Americans really love the idea of fascism. Good luck. The next four years are going to fucking crazy. And, Don Jr. 2024 will be even better.
2020 sucks, what did we expect? Good news?[close]
Don’t lose hope yet. Looks like we may pick up AZ and a senate seat.
It sounds like the vote tallies are coming in from same day vote. I wonder if the plan all along was to get the same day votes in and call it before all the mail in ballots are counted.
Don’t believe anything Trump has his hand in.
Keep hope alive...
Shout out to NJ for legalizing weed!
I thought the votes weren’t going to be fully counted until tomorrow night, how are we so sure about this
My understanding is the majority of the swing states that are still up in the air have mostly absentee ballots left to count, which will likely skew Democrat.don’t get your hopes up. Really sucks the best the democrats could come up with is joe, pretty fucked up
So I still have a lot of faith that Joe Biden can eek out a W.
The thing that's extra depressing is that after finding out for certain these last four years how big of a piece of shit Trump is, people seem to be voting for him by an even bigger margin this time.
My prediction; Biden will win the electoral college with mail in/absentee votes. Trump will challenge this, and Use the Supreme Court to invalidate votes. Chaos will ensue.
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ikr
i give a lot of people who voted for trump in 2016 a pass because
1. hillary is donkey brained / corrupt
2. a lot of people were/are tired of politicians and PC culture
3. the "he's a good businessman" excuse
but this time around. nope. if u voted for trump u are less than human to me. its sad that more than half of america are either seriously stupid and uneducated, inbred, racist, pro fascism, sexist, or all of the above
my grandparent who have voted red their entire lives are voting blue this election. that says something IMO
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ikr
i give a lot of people who voted for trump in 2016 a pass because
1. hillary is donkey brained / corrupt
2. a lot of people were/are tired of politicians and PC culture
3. the "he's a good businessman" excuse
but this time around. nope. if u voted for trump u are less than human to me. its sad that more than half of america are either seriously stupid and uneducated, inbred, racist, pro fascism, sexist, or all of the above
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Things are not looking good for Kanye West.
. Trump is already tweeting about dems “stealing votes”. He’s scared because he knows those votes are not for him, and he’s setting the stage to steal the election.Expand QuoteMy prediction; Biden will win the electoral college with mail in/absentee votes. Trump will challenge this, and Use the Supreme Court to invalidate votes. Chaos will ensue.[close]
i was thinking about this earlier as well.
trump has FILLED the supreme court with his goons
Amy coney barret is as fucked as it gets.
silly old me for thinking our country was making progress in 2008-16.
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you fell for marketing, that guy didn't do shit
i was 21 in 2008 and 100% gung-ho for the guy... i'm so incredibly jaded politically now lol
I hope you guys are stocked up on water and toilet paper because the shit is about to hit the fan in this country big time
I wish trump would only be America's problem, but his political style is being imitated worldwide and with quite some success. Anyone can now plant the seeds of doubt on any media piece if it does not suit them and it all makes for deeply divided societies.
But above all, he is acting like a certified lunatic and apparently that is not enough to vote somebody out. If he does get reelected, he will become very popular, since culling the population of the weak via the pandemic will surely boost the economy in the years to come. By then, the losses will be forgotten, since there is a new scandal coming from him everyday.
I can't fucking believe Mitch was elected again....Kentucky, go fuck yourself (no offense to fellow Kentuckians who hate Mitch)Dems put tens of millions of dollars into propping up an unpopular, pro-Trump candidate to run against Mitch and proceeded to light it all on fire when she predictably lost by double digits. I hate this place.
Gina?As in "China" but with Trump's dumb as fuck stank to it.
Do you mean Gino? Is 45 a Gino stan?
Like the great Ianucci, the skater, he was a diva, he was the greatest of all divas, incredible talent with the most unbelievable style. I've gone to demoes where he would go "no no no no, I do not feel good, I will not skate today", and he'd leave. And then I've gone to some where it was the most unbelievable style that ever lived. The greatest right? Ianucci. But he liked me for whatever reason. He was very terrible to other people, but to me he was very nice.
Ahahahahaha I hear it now.As in "China" but with Trump's dumb as fuck stank to it.Expand QuoteGina?
Do you mean Gino? Is 45 a Gino stan?[close]
Expand QuoteLike the great Ianucci, the skater, he was a diva, he was the greatest of all divas, incredible talent with the most unbelievable style. I've gone to demoes where he would go "no no no no, I do not feel good, I will not skate today", and he'd leave. And then I've gone to some where it was the most unbelievable style that ever lived. The greatest right? Ianucci. But he liked me for whatever reason. He was very terrible to other people, but to me he was very nice.[close]
Did he write you love letters?
Luciano Pavarotti on a treadmill,- Jimmy Pop
Not going nowhere slim chance we will,
Seems as though Biden will probably (hopefully) pull out a victory with AZ, NV, WI, MI and Maine's appropriated 3 votes. So essentially he can lose PA and still win it if he holds the mentioned. He's also close in GA where they haven't counted all the metro Atlanta mail-in votes and the same in NC with some mail-in votes there.
Either way, the Dems losing so many close and hopeful senate seats hurt like a fucking gut punch. McConnell will still be in charge of the senate which is in some ways much worse than even a Trump second term.
All roads lead to PA.
Since it looks like Biden will win NV and hopefully WI he does not even need MI because he picked up AZ which I didn’t expect.
A Biden win in PA will give him 273 for the win.
PA has democratic leadership so all votes will be counted.
I understand @augustmoon concerns about the Supreme Court deciding the election but those individuals that Trump nominated don’t need him anymore and will be on the court long after he is dead and gone, so I doubt they want the stain of selecting the president on their resume.
I am feeling good, not great, about where Democrats stand.
Be patient fellow never Trumpers...
I can't believe half of america is voting for Trump, this is scary and embarassing. If he wins again his ego is gonna go full Hitler.
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half of the population doesn’t show up to vote, so only a quarter of america voted for trump
Ok, so someone can check my math... but, based on rough numbers and some 8th grade algebra (that I may or may not remember how to do properly), I think Biden needs 820,342 votes out of the 1,155,412 that are still up for grabs in Penn.Pa saw a record voter turnout so I really hope you’re right.
This means he needs 71% of the mail in ballots to be for him... it seems, from huge bias in dems sending in mail in ballots and reps going in person, that this is possible, right?
my girlfriend doesn't understand why i'm laughing so hard at thisthank you
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Man. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.
my girlfriend doesn't understand why i'm laughing so hard at thisAMAZING.
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If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.I thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?
they are also very conservative and religious and choose republican. on top of that they look down on new immigrants, especially the one's seeking asylum or crossing illegaly
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Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.
The Trump supporting Mexicans I've come across always have a weird vibe to them, and then when you find out they support Trump it doesn't come off as surprising.
My uncle and his daughter are one of those. They've always been weird and looked down on other lower class Mexicans, especially the ones that come here illegally. I think they just want to blend in with white folks because they sure don't give a shit about their culture.
trump told them biden was going socialist, a lot of Cubans and Venezuelans live in fear of socialism/communism.
Expand QuoteI thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?Expand QuoteIf COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.[close]
Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.[close]
It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.
Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever. Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)
Can I read? Yes
Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!
Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.
People are stupid, brown pride fool.
Man. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?Expand QuoteIf COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.[close]
Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.[close]
It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.
Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever. Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)
Can I read? Yes
Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!
Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.
People are stupid, brown pride fool.[close]
historically, mexicans are indigenous .. couldn’t tell if you were being serious or if it was satire
Expand QuoteMan. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.[close]
Hang in there brother, I’ve felt sick to my stomach all damn day. I’m still not optimistic, but the fact That it’s even this close is depressing.
Got a cousin posting on Facebook talking about how the Democrats are cheating and there’s been more Wisconsin votes than registered voters. I knew trump shitting on mail in voting would work but seeing it in real life is mind blowing. He also noted this should be expected from people willing to kill babies. Never mind the ones being sexually assaulted and left in cages at the border.
What’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?
Expand QuoteWhat’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?[close]
Where are you seeing that?
Here is the link I am using for on the ground protests currently happening: https://www.twitch.tv/intlmedia
Oh wow. Not the first and won’t be the last..
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1324098069445660674?s=21
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?Expand QuoteIf COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.[close]
Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.[close]
It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.
Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever. Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)
Can I read? Yes
Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!
Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.
People are stupid, brown pride fool.[close]
historically, mexicans are indigenous .. couldn’t tell if you were being serious or if it was satire[close]
I understand that Mexicans are indigenous. It doesn’t change the labels of people because you say so. I’m brown according to white people but in reality I’m not. It wasn’t meant to be funny. It’s an example of how stupid labels of people in this country are. You can shit on someone all day for being Mexican even if indigenously they aren’t. I gave you personal examples my childhood/life as a bartender in Simi Valley CA
You should tell a Mexican he’s not Mexican because he’s not indigenous. They’re usually the big tall ones you’re probably scared of
My families been Mexican since they won independence from Spain just like the English became American after winning their independence from England
Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns.
Wouldn't Biden win Michigan for sure if they stopped the count? Why would MAGA protestors want that?
Expand QuoteGot a cousin posting on Facebook talking about how the Democrats are cheating and there’s been more Wisconsin votes than registered voters. I knew trump shitting on mail in voting would work but seeing it in real life is mind blowing. He also noted this should be expected from people willing to kill babies. Never mind the ones being sexually assaulted and left in cages at the border.[close]
Is he from Ocean County NJ.
I got a brother in law who told us people are asking for their ballots back once they found out about Hunter Biden’s lap top.
My brother in law is a great dude but he is as brain washed as DP.
Biden just delivered a speech and is confident that he won and I pretty much 95% believe him. It's currently 253 for Biden with one flip state to take the 270.Yes it seems Nevada and Pennsylvania have been stuck at 86% counted all day
Anyone else really annoyed at this delay? Of course unprecedented voting records were achieved during this race and that was sure to slow the counting down but come on, it's not like we had every indication that was going to happen. This country is so laughingly badly prepared for everything that comes our way.
https://twitter.com/hyckai/status/1323627097546461184
this sounds like terrorism to me....
What's Nevada's deal?They pushed mail in voting super hard and now they have hella ballots to count.
The Trump supporting Mexicans I've come across always have a weird vibe to them, and then when you find out they support Trump it doesn't come off as surprising.
My uncle and his daughter are one of those. They've always been weird and looked down on other lower class Mexicans, especially the ones that come here illegally. I think they just want to blend in with white folks because they sure don't give a shit about their culture.
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Lmao
LOL you guys were so doom-and-gloom last night. I know we as a people can slay this demonic clowndo you think this is all over or something?
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Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
i’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look officialExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773718685897588744/EmA1EOkX0AEGn5E.png)
Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.[close]
this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror
wtf.
i’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look officialExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773718685897588744/EmA1EOkX0AEGn5E.png)
Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.[close]
this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror
wtf.[close]
Expand Quotei’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look officialExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773718685897588744/EmA1EOkX0AEGn5E.png)
Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.[close]
this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror
wtf.[close][close]
lets fucking hope its not. he definitely has enough idiots supporting him that are willing to "FIGHT BACK" to seriously fuck shit up
Expand Quotei’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look officialExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773718685897588744/EmA1EOkX0AEGn5E.png)
Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.[close]
this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror
wtf.[close][close]
lets fucking hope its not. he definitely has enough idiots supporting him that are willing to "FIGHT BACK" to seriously fuck shit up
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1324175651515949056”holy” shit.... no words
can anyone confirm if that email is legit ?
if so, im visiting the pawn shop tomorrow
ok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.
any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?
my state is filled with die hard trumpers.
Expand Quoteok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.
any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?
my state is filled with die hard trumpers.[close]
Please, and this goes for everyone, do not start panic buying guns. It's dangerous and irresponsible, especially if you do not have any experience with firearms.
What’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?
They're going to count the ballots through the night in AZ and GA so we will know the results of at least those two states before morning. Here I am drinking iced coffee at almost 10 PM so I can be awake to see Trump concede defeat live. Fuck this guy and anybody who supports him, I am fed up to the max with this bullshit illegitimate reality TV Russian patsy President and I have been waiting four years to watch him get curb stomped by the popular vote.
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?
What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?
I don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?
Expand QuoteI don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?[close]
He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?[close]
He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.[close]
So do you think they called it for AZ because that state has experience with the mail in ballots, so it is easier to see the trend due to past data? I'm just trying to find out why the hell would they call it so early
I really wish we flipped the senate. Next 2 years are going to be frustrating. Fuck you middle America.
Expand Quoteok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.
any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?
my state is filled with die hard trumpers.[close]
Please, and this goes for everyone, do not start panic buying guns. It's dangerous and irresponsible, especially if you do not have any experience with firearms.
Calm yourself and do not fall into paranoia/fear. If you're serious about owning a firearm, do your research and look up your states gun laws. Also look into concealed carry/open carry permits.
If you still want to get a gun, you don't start with an AR15. Get a solid hand gun like a glock 17, 19, etc. If you are more concerned with home defense, get a shotgun.
And if you do decide to get a firearm, go to a gun range and work on your shot. You don't go from a normal civilian to John Rambo overnight by panic buying an AR.
Here's a pretty decent beginners guide:
http://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-handgun-beginners-home-defense/#toc4
Be smart and safe, guys.
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Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
I have noticed a disparity between the electoral votes indicated on CNN's website vs. Fox's website, with the higher number of electoral votes being present on the fox site. I wonder how intentional that is for inciting discord?
Trump is on twitter yelling to stop the count, but if the count were stopped Biden would win AZ and NV and get the 270 needed to win.
Very stoked Michigan is blue again.I'm sure the thanks goes out to this city. NSFW.
Not stoked about the idiots swarming Cobo Hall (TCF center or what the fuck ever it is now)
I feel like they’re almost pulling some shit like the NBA playoffs and stretching this out for ratings and ad money. Like they’re going to announce Nevada for Biden with .05 on the clock after all the other states are called.
Trump advisory claims Trump can run again in 2024. I think they're accepting their defeat.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-run-2024-election-biden-b1613385.html
(https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-run-2024-election-biden-b1613385.html)
Biden needs to go full force to prosecute Trump, as long as he doesnt resign and get pardoned by Pence.
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Lmao[close]
That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.[close]
Biden is 0.2% away from tying things up at Georgia. Talk about by a hair.is that with an estimated of 99% of votes counted?
Here's one from today's headlines where a guy woke up to noises and shot an intruder after checking that his wife was still in bed. Turns out he felt his dog in the bed. Popped his pregnant wife in the head. Why not a center-of-mass body shot though?
<snip>
Remember that asshole who shot his kid in the dark way back when. Happens.
<snip>
All of my conservative fam and their friends have been posting some extra wild shit the past 48 hours. Very curious, and a little terrified, to see what happens once the election is called.
Curious to see how the police would respond to this if they were just attacking blm protestors. Also will trumps repub butt buddies still give him the pass if bad shit goes down? Or will they for once condemn his actions since they are very obviously trying to get people heated.Expand QuoteAll of my conservative fam and their friends have been posting some extra wild shit the past 48 hours. Very curious, and a little terrified, to see what happens once the election is called.[close]
Same. They've been pulling out every conspiracy possible. Luckily my friends/family aren't GUN CRAZED Trumpers. But I'm legit worried how G.I SloppyJoes in the country militia will try to respond. We've already seen how some were/are ready to try to kidnap and kill a governor.
if anybody needs it, this site is tracking votes as they come in. also tracking the trends and margins biden and trump need to win the state.
https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html
looks good for Biden in GA and PA.
Holy shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.
I’ve never hated a human being as much.
Expand QuoteHoly shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.
I’ve never hated a human being as much.[close]
I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.
Here's one from today's headlines where a guy woke up to noises and shot an intruder after checking that his wife was still in bed. Turns out he felt his dog in the bed. Popped his pregnant wife in the head. Why not a center-of-mass body shot though?Expand Quote
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Remember that asshole who shot his kid in the dark way back when. Happens.
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https://people.com/crime/florida-man-shoots-pregnant-wife-thinking-intruder/
So yeah, it does happen. Makes me wonder why someone would be so paranoid....maybe he thought there was a Mexican drug-dealer, criminal, rapist in his house.
Then again it is Florida so maybe the explanation is "Florida".
Arizona and Nevada can count for the rest of the year at that point...
Majority of people have no business owning a gun. If you're that trigger happy, your family more at danger.
Anyways, what's up with Nevada??? Made very little progress since yesterday
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?[close]
He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.[close]
So do you think they called it for AZ because that state has experience with the mail in ballots, so it is easier to see the trend due to past data? I'm just trying to find out why the hell would they call it so early
Especially how ironic it is that its him whos trying to steal a win by accusing the legit party of stealing... Its like Among Us in real life where the killer tries to convince the normal people to eject themselvesExpand QuoteHoly shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.
I’ve never hated a human being as much.[close]
I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.
They better put Killer Mike in textbooks if Georgia pulls this off.A lot of this is Stacey Abrams. She is getting her revenge for screwing with her in the last election. The rightful governor of Georgia should be a black woman and everyone knows not to fuck over a strong black woman. Fuck around and find out indeed.
Especially how ironic it is that its him whos trying to steal a win by accusing the legit party of stealing... Its like Among Us in real life where the killer tries to convince the normal people to eject themselvesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHoly shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.
I’ve never hated a human being as much.[close]
I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.[close]
the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil warGnar'd! And I'm serving you seconds when I come back and see that shit again, got me.
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The devil is coming down to Georgia, boys! 2500 away from the leadAnd if you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold,
1709 votes away in Georgia, with 9000 to be counted.
Biden is on track to Baker make this
Back the fuck up.
Georgia, 665 votes away, 7600 votes still to be counted
A lot of this is Stacey Abrams. She is getting her revenge for screwing with her in the last election. The rightful governor of Georgia should be a black woman and everyone knows not to fuck over a strong black woman. Fuck around and find out indeed.Expand QuoteThey better put Killer Mike in textbooks if Georgia pulls this off.[close]
https://newsone.com/4045553/stacey-abrams-georgia-2020-election/
late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)
Expand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .
Expand QuoteExpand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .[close]
Totally spot on ^
This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .[close]
Totally spot on ^
This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s[close]
thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil war
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Trump supporters having to shoot back at the police after starting the civil war and “bAcKiNg ThE bLuE” the last 9 months.
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Trump supporters having to shoot back at the police after starting the civil war and “bAcKiNg ThE bLuE” the last 9 months.
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Biden officially leading in PA now. Also Big Skatefase dropping the meme of the year.
Expand QuoteBiden officially leading in PA now. Also Big Skatefase dropping the meme of the year.[close]
Yep. If I were a Biden supporter in Philly I would clear the streets now before a convoy of Trump supporters show up and start committing acts of terror
Millions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.
Georgia Biden Margin: +917biden looks at the camera in a moment of surprise, both his hands up and a smile on his face. *freeze frame*
THANK YOU MAX PALMER.
Expand QuoteMillions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.[close]
She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.
Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.+1
Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
Makes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic peopleExpand QuoteThoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.[close]
Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .[close]
Totally spot on ^
This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s[close]
thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.[close]
all of these are pretty relevant
finland afaikMakes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic peopleExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.[close]
Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator[close]
Expand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .[close]
Totally spot on ^
This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s[close]
thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.[close]
all of these are pretty relevant[close]
I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?
In a perfect world I’d love to vote third party. But the stakes of splitting the vote and trump getting re elected are way too high.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMillions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.[close]
She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.[close]
Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.
In a perfect world I’d love to vote third party. But the stakes of splitting the vote and trump getting re elected are way too high.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMillions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.[close]
She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.[close]
Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.[close]
https://youtu.be/8SBGLqq5VUw
In a perfect world I’d love to vote third party. But the stakes of splitting the vote and trump getting re elected are way too high.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMillions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.[close]
She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.[close]
Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.[close]
https://youtu.be/8SBGLqq5VUw
finland afaikExpand QuoteMakes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic peopleExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.[close]
Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator[close][close]
Duane Peters just died of heartbreak. RIP
Expand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .[close]
Totally spot on ^
This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s[close]
thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.[close]
all of these are pretty relevant[close]
I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?
^ This is actually a great topic for discussion! Who will the majority of law enforcement stand beside when/if it all goes down? I find it hard to believe that many cops will side with folks that called for their jobs to be terminated.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotelate to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?
thanks :)[close]
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power .[close]
Totally spot on ^
This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s[close]
thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.[close]
all of these are pretty relevant[close]
I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?[close]
But wouldn't using the popular vote have the same effect, where a lot of people's votes don't count because they live in the middle of nowhere?Expand Quote^ This is actually a great topic for discussion! Who will the majority of law enforcement stand beside when/if it all goes down? I find it hard to believe that many cops will side with folks that called for their jobs to be terminated.[close]
They will side with the Trump mob because they are also part of that same mob
Vox just called this for Biden... I imagine other agencies will start calling it as well.
What a fucking roller coaster.
I know there are problems that will come of this and we are going to run into some serious problems during the next four years, but for right now, I'm just going to enjoy that fact that Trump is on his way out... and all the federal agencies will soon have qualified people in charge (they might not be perfect, but they'll be competent and honest).
https://www.vox.com/21552641/joe-biden-wins-pennsylvania-decision-desk
Edit: They called Penn because it seems the Biden will just increase his lead. They haven't called Georgia because there are outstanding ballots that are coming from people overseas (including military stationed overseas).
Makes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic peopleExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.[close]
Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator[close]
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I may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?
Expand QuoteI may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?[close]
I'm not a US citizen, so I might be totally wrong, but I think it's a mix of things...
- This was a high-turnout election (I believe Biden's received the most votes in any presidential election in US history), so they're taking time to make sure every vote is counted
- I think they're taking their time to be more transparent with how they count, in order to avoid any major legal recourse from Republicans
- Also, this is just my theory, but I also think they're taking their time to give everyone a chance to cool down and gradually settle into the fact that Biden/the Democrats could very well run the country.
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percentage wise yeah. Of course the actual number of votes is much higher since population has grown so muchExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?[close]
I'm not a US citizen, so I might be totally wrong, but I think it's a mix of things...
- This was a high-turnout election (I believe Biden's received the most votes in any presidential election in US history), so they're taking time to make sure every vote is counted
- I think they're taking their time to be more transparent with how they count, in order to avoid any major legal recourse from Republicans
- Also, this is just my theory, but I also think they're taking their time to give everyone a chance to cool down and gradually settle into the fact that Biden/the Democrats could very well run the country.[close]
Highest voter turn out since early 1900s
Abnormally high mail in balloting because of obvious reasons
And 2000 was a much simpler, saner time in every metric besides footwear
(https://i.imgur.com/Ru0j9Jn.gif)Man I miss stupid drinking games with my family
The Republican who ran for governor in Washington state and lost is refusing to concede and is asking for voters to check their ballot status. Trump's idiocy is being imitated by other trolls. Politicians reaching new levels of shittiness.
Giuliani is promoting some crazy shit as well.
Not that he was wasn't a piece of shit with his broken windows /zero tolerance bullshit, but he had a strong image from his response to 9-11. He could have just sat back and lived a quiet life where his faults would have been overlooked by most people.
Instead, he seems willing to lie, subvert the Dept of State, jerk off for 15 year old girls, and poison American democracy.
I don't know how we come back from this. The GOP has gone off the rails. And the followers love it. 70 million Americans voted Trump that is insane.
Kick rocks, ya’ fukkkin’ orange clown!AMSCRAY!
Beat it.
Scram!
I haven't been this happy in 4 yearsYou said a mouthful there brah
The Russians are gonna hold Trump down and tattoo a big L on his foreheadWouldn't at all be surprised he leaves and they take care of him, case and point when Ida Amin was usurped from power in Uganda he was left alone with Qaddafi's palace taken care of real boss like.
Stacey Abrams for mvp! What a champion of democracy. A true American!
WE DID IT. Shout out to each and every one of you that voted biden. We can all get some sleep tonight.
I really don't understand the Trumpers that are saying "b-b-but how could Biden get more votes than OBAMA?! OBVIOUS FRAUD!"
Let me preface this by saying that I’m so stoked that Trump is out. Biden was the nominee, I’m glad the party rallied behind him and got this done.
With that said, the Democratic Party needs a reckoning as much or likely more than the republicans. Democrats absolutely ate shit down ballot, ESPECIALLY when they tried to play themselves off as moderate and “friend of the conservatives”. The myth of flipping republican voters by being wishy washy on key issues and not taking a firm stance was repeatedly disproved by election results. If a republican has to choose between republican and almost-republican, they’re just going to pick their candidate. On top of this, potential voters on the left lose enthusiasm, can’t be bothered to vote/organize for their candidate, etc.
Meanwhile, “progressive” ballot initiatives (15$ minimum wage, decriminalization) and “progressive” candidates who stuck to their message and explicitly noted what they would be doing for the public cleaned up.
Finally, this election showed that there are no predetermined parties based on race anymore (nor should their ever have been), and that just assuming that you’ll receive the black, Asian, Latino, or any racial group’s vote without doing any work for their community just because of the D next to your name is an awful strategy.
It sucks, but these are conversations that need to be had on day one, rather than waiting until 2021/22 when it’ll be too close to the midterms and we can’t critique candidates or strategy because “party unity” and “important election”.
In the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets. Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now. And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.” Lulz indeedHow do you do that without losing brain cells? He's 74 with the emotional intelligence of a toddler. He has only been rewarded for his tantrums all of his life. At some point you have to become responsible for your actions, but he has never been punished for anything. He's just a giant petulent child.
How do you do that without losing brain cells? He's 74 with the emotional intelligence of a toddler. He has only been rewarded for his tantrums all of his life. At some point you have to become responsible for your actions, but he has never been punished for anything. He's just a giant petulent child.Expand QuoteIn the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets. Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now. And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.” Lulz indeed[close]
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?The trump crazy friends of mine on Facebook have been much quieter than they would have been with the opposite result. I certainly wasn’t expecting humbled acknowledgments of a race well lost, but I was hoping for more voter fraud allegations.
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?The trump crazy friends of mine on Facebook have been much quieter than they would have been with the opposite result. I certainly wasn’t expecting humbled acknowledgments of a race well lost, but I was hoping for more voter fraud allegations.
The trump crazy friends of mine on Facebook have been much quieter than they would have been with the opposite result. I certainly wasn’t expecting humbled acknowledgments of a race well lost, but I was hoping for more voter fraud allegations.Expand QuoteAm I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?[close]
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?
bobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6
Expand Quotebobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6[close]
This reminds me of Hannibal Buress’ joke about how someone told him it was ordained by god that it was 44 years between when Martin Luther King was assassinated and when Obama became president, because he is the 44th president. He imitated god saying “44 years, 44th president...that shit would be cool as hell yo.”
bobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6
In the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets. Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now. And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.” Lulz indeedExactly how I have felt about his statements this week. He started by shooting himself in foot one toe at a time and then just shot gunned the other foot off.
you guys have way, way, WAY more faith in elected officials than me. the first time i voted was in 2008 and both parties have tried their absolute unabated hardest to kick my teeth in since then.
trump is a win for the megarich, biden is a win for the megarich.
fucking duh, dude
likely falsehood
Right. The scale that measures both parties elected leaders are no longer even when taking into account the pro's and con's of each side, just as the Union and the Confederacy were not two equal but different systems of beliefs. You can argue that there is no such thing as morals but to live with one another the human race cannot survive without a system of guidelines for what is ok and what is not.Expand Quoteyou guys have way, way, WAY more faith in elected officials than me. the first time i voted was in 2008 and both parties have tried their absolute unabated hardest to kick my teeth in since then.
trump is a win for the megarich, biden is a win for the megarich.
fucking duh, dude[close]
I'm sorry, but no.
A vote for Trump is a vote for crony capitalism and a leader who appears to be morphing into someone who is cross between a fascist dictator and Silvio Berlusconi.
Trump is man who is currently trying to sow doubt in our democracy in order to benefit himself. He is currently trying to rip the nation to shreds for his own benefit.
Biden is moderate as fuck and isn't perfect. He isn't going to be Bernie Sanders or whatever politician in Iceland it was who nationalized the banks there...
...but the era of both parties being the same is over. This might of held some water in the 90s (or if we had a Clinton v Romney election this year), but not anymore.
For right now, I'm just going to bask in the fact that Biden won and he openly states he wants to be the president for everyone... not just the few. I'll get to worrying about how to keep him aligned with the left wing of the Dem party and how he governs if the Republicans gain a majority in the house later.
(And, Trump openly fucking hated those who have my job. He mentioned my profession multiple times in his crazy ass speeches and made me the fucking enemy. Fuck him.)
so that makes biden a good guyNo one has said that.
No one has said that.Expand Quoteso that makes biden a good guy[close]
Four seasons total landscaping are you fucking kidding me I am deadunbelievable.
https://youtu.be/FNTEBKKQ1ck
you must be like 12, right
only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.
amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.
i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
It is a step in the right direction but they kinda beansed it. The supreme court is now towards to the republicans and the Senate is republican. Not to even talk about the sexual assault allegations. Personally I'm tired of people talking about how the political system is fucked etc and then praise Biden. I think the people behind him can do some good but I don't have faith in Biden himself.
I vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.
Expand QuoteI vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.[close]
That's the idea.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.[close]
That's the idea.[close]
Thank you. I wish more people agreed and voted this way.
only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.
amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.
i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
(https://i.ibb.co/0FPq1jn/20201108-110052.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5nqTCW1)
The GOP posted this hotline to call in evidence of voter fraud, I let them know that I have first hand evidence of fraud down at the SAWCON here in Arizona.
I wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.We will for sure see us getting back on track in regards to climate change, at least compared to the last 4 years. I'm hopeful because of his repeated mentioning of having to trust and use science to guide us in the future. It's pretty stupid that people think it's not a good idea for companies to start shifting towards renewable energy. It makes good sense for business and the planet long term.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.[close]
That's the idea.[close]
Thank you. I wish more people agreed and voted this way.[close]
Agreed. I also wish more people participated in mid-term elections/primaries/local elections etc in order to elevate better candidates to the top, but... I digress.
There has GOT to be better than these geriatrics.
india and china are who really contributes to climate change and they’re never gonna slow downWe will for sure see us getting back on track in regards to climate change, at least compared to the last 4 years. I'm hopeful because of his repeated mentioning of having to trust and use science to guide us in the future. It's pretty stupid that people think it's not a good idea for companies to start shifting towards renewable energy. It makes good sense for business and the planet long term.Expand QuoteI wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.[close]
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/CO2_emissions_per_capita%2C_2017_%28Our_World_in_Data%29.svg)india and china are who really contributes to climate change and they’re never gonna slow downExpand QuoteWe will for sure see us getting back on track in regards to climate change, at least compared to the last 4 years. I'm hopeful because of his repeated mentioning of having to trust and use science to guide us in the future. It's pretty stupid that people think it's not a good idea for companies to start shifting towards renewable energy. It makes good sense for business and the planet long term.Expand QuoteI wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.[close][close]
until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago
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The GOP posted this hotline to call in evidence of voter fraud, I let them know that I have first hand evidence of fraud down at the SAWCON here in Arizona.
don't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.
don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY
you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.
not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.
ah, figures...Expand Quotedon't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.
don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY
you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.
not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.[close]
About that forrest, I think I read somewhere large portions are dying from diseases/infestations due to a monoculture of fast growing species.
don't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.
don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY
you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.
not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.
so do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing that dick cheney is gonna be in the white house again? is this what progress looks like? even a little bit??????
You right wing asshats trashing Van Jones truly emotional speech have no idea what it’s like to be a minority in this country and the damage the last 4 years have done. Shame on you for being so apathetic, so partisan, and so heartless.Expand Quotehttps://youtu.be/FNTEBKKQ1ck[close]
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doesnt seem very anti-trump here, theres also a tweet where hes supporting eric trump.
Expand Quoteonly in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.
amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.
i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...[close]
You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.
Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.
Yeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic
Yeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteonly in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.
amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.
i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...[close]
You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.
Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.[close]
wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteonly in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.
amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.
i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...[close]
You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.
Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.[close]
wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...[close]
You know, a big part of progress is being able to have an adult discussion without stooping to insults or flipping out on people who you are talking with. If your go-to response is to call people fucking hypocrites etc, you’re not mature enough for the discussion to begin with.
People change. Lots of people regret decisions they’ve made in the past and work hard to do better. But you’re probably right, the guy with a black female VP who was himself VP for a black president is totally a racist. No way he changed over 30 years. Makes sense. ;D
bullshit
Expand QuoteYeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic[close]
The way he talks about African Americans and calls them a 'special kind of predator' is racist. He might've changed his toon when he was on the ticket with Obama, but it doesn't change the horribly racist stuff he said..
It's almost like he changed his views because he knows he wouldn't have been elected president otherwise.
Anyway, I've said my bit. I don't want to fight with people on the net.
Truthfully, I'd rather have Biden over Trump. I just hope we can get a better candidate next time. One who didn't eulogize a member of the KKK. I know, I know, Byrd regretted that too.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic[close]
The way he talks about African Americans and calls them a 'special kind of predator' is racist. He might've changed his toon when he was on the ticket with Obama, but it doesn't change the horribly racist stuff he said..
It's almost like he changed his views because he knows he wouldn't have been elected president otherwise.
Anyway, I've said my bit. I don't want to fight with people on the net.
Truthfully, I'd rather have Biden over Trump. I just hope we can get a better candidate next time. One who didn't eulogize a member of the KKK. I know, I know, Byrd regretted that too.[close]
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No evidence of what?
Biden calling AAs 'special predators'?
https://youtu.be/0DcN6wNKxZA
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You right wing asshats trashing Van Jones truly emotional speech have no idea what it’s like to be a minority in this country and the damage the last 4 years have done. Shame on you for being so apathetic, so partisan, and so heartless.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://youtu.be/FNTEBKKQ1ck[close]
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doesnt seem very anti-trump here, theres also a tweet where hes supporting eric trump.[close]
If you don't think Biden winning is an obvious improvement, you're fucking deluded, and gladly regurgitating farmed right-wing talking points, whether wittingly or not.
Day 1, we'll have actual scientists back in charge of the COVID response. Trump installed completely unqualified sycophants into positions where they could force the CDC to say things against their own findings that spared Trump's ego. Can you fucking image? You spend 40, 50 years in your field studying epidemiology, focusing on saving real human lives, and then a 100-year plague comes around, the moment your whole life has prepared you for, and suddenly your only priority is not making the fucking baby have a tantrum?
I'm trying to practice forgiveness for Trump voters, but I will never, ever forgive Trump. He literally has zero redeeming qualities. If he chokes on his last hamberder in the White House, it'll be a better fate than he deserves.
Expand QuoteIf you don't think Biden winning is an obvious improvement, you're fucking deluded, and gladly regurgitating farmed right-wing talking points, whether wittingly or not.
Day 1, we'll have actual scientists back in charge of the COVID response. Trump installed completely unqualified sycophants into positions where they could force the CDC to say things against their own findings that spared Trump's ego. Can you fucking image? You spend 40, 50 years in your field studying epidemiology, focusing on saving real human lives, and then a 100-year plague comes around, the moment your whole life has prepared you for, and suddenly your only priority is not making the fucking baby have a tantrum?
I'm trying to practice forgiveness for Trump voters, but I will never, ever forgive Trump. He literally has zero redeeming qualities. If he chokes on his last hamberder in the White House, it'll be a better fate than he deserves.[close]
Sums up my thoughts quite well after watching Biden speak on his forthcoming plan for a Covid-19 response. The bar is set admittedly low, but to see our future president on a podium speaking with empathy for those who have lost loved ones to Covid-19 and respect for science was a huge fucking breath of fresh air.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf you don't think Biden winning is an obvious improvement, you're fucking deluded, and gladly regurgitating farmed right-wing talking points, whether wittingly or not.
Day 1, we'll have actual scientists back in charge of the COVID response. Trump installed completely unqualified sycophants into positions where they could force the CDC to say things against their own findings that spared Trump's ego. Can you fucking image? You spend 40, 50 years in your field studying epidemiology, focusing on saving real human lives, and then a 100-year plague comes around, the moment your whole life has prepared you for, and suddenly your only priority is not making the fucking baby have a tantrum?
I'm trying to practice forgiveness for Trump voters, but I will never, ever forgive Trump. He literally has zero redeeming qualities. If he chokes on his last hamberder in the White House, it'll be a better fate than he deserves.[close]
Sums up my thoughts quite well after watching Biden speak on his forthcoming plan for a Covid-19 response. The bar is set admittedly low, but to see our future president on a podium speaking with empathy for those who have lost loved ones to Covid-19 and respect for science was a huge fucking breath of fresh air.[close]
This across almost everything. COVID-19, international relationships, global warming... Most things that need to change really just need to be brought back up to par. 2024 is going to be a weird election year.
On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.
Expand QuoteOn covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.[close]
Please elaborate...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOn covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.[close]
Please elaborate...[close]
Yea, nah.
In what possible way would trupm be better? Guy doesn’t believe facts presented to him and thinks he’s smarter than every scientist and doctor. He’s a deluded megalomaniac.
Expand QuoteOn covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.[close]
Please elaborate...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOn covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.[close]
Please elaborate...[close]
Yea, nah.
In what possible way would trupm be better? Guy doesn’t believe facts presented to him and thinks he’s smarter than every scientist and doctor. He’s a deluded megalomaniac.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteonly in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.
amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.
i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...[close]
You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.
Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.[close]
wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...[close]
You know, a big part of progress is being able to have an adult discussion without stooping to insults or flipping out on people who you are talking with. If your go-to response is to call people fucking hypocrites etc, you’re not mature enough for the discussion to begin with.
People change. Lots of people regret decisions they’ve made in the past and work hard to do better. But you’re probably right, the guy with a black female VP who was himself VP for a black president is totally a racist. No way he changed over 30 years. Makes sense. ;D
Quit beating a dead Mikey Taylor
i HaVe BLaCk fRiEnDs s0 I cAnT bE rAcIsT, and dude you know for a fact you wouldnt give that "people change" pass to a republican lol get real
Even funnier is they are migrating to a fake facebook where they can all froth at the mouth in a safe space without any liberal buzzkill.
Places like Parler are just making the FBI's job easier when one of those weirdos goes and commits a domestic terror attack.Also, HR departments should get in there. There are lots of people looking for work who aren't closeted white supremacist terrorists that will be more than happy to take that racist pos in your workplace's spot.
Also, HR departments should get in there. There are lots of people looking for work who aren't closeted white supremacist terrorists that will be more than happy to take that racist pos in your workplace's spot.Expand QuotePlaces like Parler are just making the FBI's job easier when one of those weirdos goes and commits a domestic terror attack.[close]
How do you think that would happen? It's not like the 2000 election where there was a small difference in one state to account for. Trump would have to win suits and/or have recounts in his favor in multiple states.
They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
Trump has little chance of holding on to his position through his bullshit lawsuits. They are nothing more than political theatre (that will harm our democracy for decades). Even his lawyers are backing out of the suits because they know they're bullshit.
The scary part of this is how the Republicans fell in line behind his garbage and how even on his way out Trump divides America just a little more.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/law-firm-drops-trump-campaign-436418
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trumps-lawsuits-are-politics-disguised-legal-strategy/617022/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trump-us-election-lawsuits
Expand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.[close]
I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.[close]
I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo[close]
Look into her release from Fox News. Sexual harasser and rapist enabler. She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
Oh jeez she looks like joker when he stapled his face back on.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.[close]
I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.[close]
I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo[close]
Look into her release from Fox News. Sexual harasser and rapist enabler. She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign[close]
said that about trump too, homie.
Lol at you guys debating the next GOP candidate like they are selected on any kind of merit. They just pick the most popular one (at the primaries) and people vote for their party, case closed. The only thing that changes is the voter turn-out, which can be increased by fear-mongering about the danger that the other party represents.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.[close]
I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo[close]
Look into her release from Fox News. Sexual harasser and rapist enabler. She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign[close]
said that about trump too, homie.[close]
Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate. Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff. He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda. Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees. She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then). Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign. Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP).
Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her. They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there.
Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her). If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.[close]
Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.[close]
I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo[close]
Look into her release from Fox News. Sexual harasser and rapist enabler. She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign[close]
said that about trump too, homie.[close]
Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate. Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff. He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda. Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees. She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then). Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign. Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP).
Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her. They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there.
Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her). If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox)[close]
After watching this all I unfold I don't buy the argument regarding how "Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate." The dude was sued multiple times, is on the record talking about sexual harassment, paid of a porn star, blah blah blah. These people don't really care. nor does it matter that she was once a democrat married to Newsom. It all falls into the realm of right wing cognitive dissonance in the era of alternative facts- millions of GOP voters truly believe in Qanon- they could easily believe a person such as Guilfoyle was merely a "plant" in the Democratic establishment. Palin being a fluke came during the wave of the Tea Party, a movement largely responsible for what's happening today- many of these congress members got their start during the era of the Tea Party Patriot- as for Palin being a fluke, the reason she's important in contemporary history is 2 fold- her coming to prominence, however immediately brief, greatly lowered the necessity of appearing moderately intelligent as a Republican female candidate, and there's no getting around the fact that they discovered when running a conventionally attractive, white female allows intelligence to be supplanted. I'm not going to search for it but I'm almost positive I recall multiple Sarah Palin milf/porn/fap related threads on SLAP back then- it was a common theme, everywhere. The number of women running on Republican tickets, from the local to national level are falling into that category. As for who the GOP will push for a female candidate, don't forget that the GOP didn't push Trump. That was a complete insurgent candidacy and with how dystopian things have gotten in many ways, it wouldn't be a surprise to it happen again.
So while it might not be Guilfoyle, someone similar could do a whole lot of work and damage. While the GOP establishment may not be, the constituency has become increasingly enamored with the comic book villain type.
^^E Jean Carrol lawsuit
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54710200/url]
[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/525790-federal-judge-moves-e-jean-carrolls-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/url]
Are you familiar with Marjorie Taylor Greene in GA? Lauren Boebert in Colorado?
I'm not sure where you live or with whom you engage. I live in an extremely isolated rural, right leaning area, in a so called Blue state. I listen to people, voters talk. I talk and work with them. I spent most of late election season driving across the United States and saw people lapping it up. I moved from New England to the South East of the United States during the 2007-08 election season. The constituency visibly and vocally eats up and it's only gained power and speed since then.
As for Palin being a hockey mom and real- that was certainly how she was portrayed and it served a purpose- just like these gun toting wing nut women now in halls of power listed above- they're candidates the constituency can imagine themselves being friends with or aspiring to be.
Regarding Guilfoyle, I'm quite familiar with her fall from Fox and while she may not become a candidate, her acceptance, similar to fascists like Steve Bannon and Steven Miller sets a precedent for the future. If you can't see that, enjoy 3 years of a Biden/Harris neoliberal/Reagan Republican facade of normalcy before shit becomes more bizarre and dangerous than it has been as of late.
Like I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.I believe you're right, and it's absolutely terrifying when 50+ million people believe literally anything that is said, as long as it comes from certain people or sources- especially since those people and their sources aren't credible or even remotely honest. Qanon is the perfect example of how fucking dumb people are.
I believe you're right, and it's absolutely terrifying when 50+ million people believe literally anything that is said, as long as it comes from certain people or sources- especially since those people and their sources aren't credible or even remotely honest. Qanon is the perfect example of how fucking dumb people are.Expand QuoteLike I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.[close]
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
Expand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
Same difference
If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.[close]
Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.[close]
Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans[close]
it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.Expand QuoteIf we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.[close]
Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans[close]
it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah
"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"
"You're 4 years too late"
So good lol
I worked in a newsroom for several years and I'm well aware of what sloppy reporting is, how to write a headline, and what fake news is, thanks.fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.Expand QuoteYeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.Expand QuoteIf we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.[close]
Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans[close]
it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.[close][close]
fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.
i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.
i was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.
Expand Quotei was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.[close]
Literally during Carter’s term partly in opposition to him and partly to get Reagan elected. The book Reaganland is more than you’ll ever want to know on the subject
Expand QuoteExpand Quotei was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.[close]
Literally during Carter’s term partly in opposition to him and partly to get Reagan elected. The book Reaganland is more than you’ll ever want to know on the subject[close]
I'm in the middle of Nixonland right now. You can see some trends from today starting back then even.
Dark Money (book largely about the Koch brothers funneling money into conservative causes) would be useful reading too. They made a documentary based on the book as well.
how did we get here?
fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.Expand QuoteYeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.Expand QuoteIf we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.[close]
Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans[close]
it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.[close][close]
fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.
i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.
Do you believe a majority of Republicans in America were included in that poll? From the article:Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMajority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.[close]
Oh come on. 35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that? I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively. If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.[close]
Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ
"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 1,346 respondents, including 598 Democrats and 496 Republicans, and has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of 5 percentage points.
The thing about polling from 2016 and 2020, and to a lesser extent 2018, is that it was right about about a lot of things, but it did seem to almost systematically undercount Republican votes. I don't really know anything about polling with regard to their methodology, but it's hard to see these results and conclude that there is not a systemic bias in polling for which they are not yet able (or are perhaps unwilling) to account
i've seen tons of posts online where people brag about lying in polls, both democrats and republicans. people registering as democrats but votes republican etc.
so it's actual the fault of the people that polls suck, not the companies doing the polls. granted, 1500 people is an insanely small sample size in a country of 300+ million people where apparently roughly 230 million can vote.
Or respond at all
I'm really surprised that there is any doubt that the people who voted for Trump believe his world view.
Moreover, the accuracy of the polls isn't that they over-report Trump supporters, but they under-reports them due to all sorts of sampling issues. If anything the polls are more likely to underestimate how many people are believing this crazy bullshit.
The Republican world view places themselves as permanent victims... the social media companies unfairly censor us; the media is out to get us/Trump; the "deep-state" is against Trump/us; all exposure of Trump's crimes are politically motivated; Q will save us from the evil democrats; liberal elitist are at fault for playing the education/economic game properly...
... I disagree with the free-market bullshit that said manufacturing leaving America was great because "cheaper goods," BUT interestingly enough this made me a stupid liberal 20 years ago. Using the personal responsibility logic against those who love to bring it up when it comes to everyone but angry white dudes, why the hell didn't they get the hell out of the rural areas 40 years ago? Manufacturing and rural economies were down-sliding in the 70s with no bright spots in the foreseeable future. Not only is it obvious that the cities are the economic centers, demographers predicted that people would quickly abandon the rural areas for cities around the world... with less people there is less infrastructure money, less school money, less money moving through the local system, etc. where in the fuck were these people when the free-market told them 40 years ago, "The rural areas are not a great investment nor are manufacturing jobs. Business exist to make money not to give you a job. The people you are voting into office (Reagan) are overtly anti-union/anti-worker and promote off-shoring."
Finally, I can't believe the Republican leaders aren't telling Trump to stop with his tweets. I can't believe they aren't telling Americans our elections are safe. I can't believe Trump is inviting politicians to the White House in order to figure out to steal the election now that his dumb lawsuits went absolutely no where.
And, I can't believe I'm just focusing on my job and just watching America fall apart. I don't know how we bounce back from this... and none of this is all that new. Trump just does it overtly and louder than it had been done in the past. I mean does anyone remember Cheney trying to say the VP wasn't part of the executive branch so he could hide all his corrupt documents?
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2020/08/19/most-americans-think-social-media-sites-censor-political-viewpoints/
https://www.journalism.org/2020/05/08/americans-are-more-likely-than-not-to-think-the-news-media-are-fulfilling-key-roles-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-but-partisans-are-starkly-divided/
(https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ap-donald-trump-trump-rally-02-mt-170429_4x3t_992.jpg)Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
Economy and Jobs
President Trump jump-started America’s economy into record growth which created jobs and increased take-home pay for working Americans.
Immigration
President Trump protected the American homeland by enforcing immigration laws, so every American can feel safe in their community.
Foreign Policy
By promoting fair and reciprocal trade, President Trump put America first. This includes exiting TPP, renegotiating NAFTA, and securing new bilateral deals with major trading partners.
National Security and Defense
President Trump rebuilt our military, crushed ISIS, and confronted rogue nations to protect America and our allies.
Regulation
President Trump removed red tape and ended unnecessary regulations which stifle economic growth and prosperity.
Land and Agriculture
President Trump created a task force on agriculture and rural prosperity which included actions to improve the lives of rural Americans.
Law and Justice
President Trump partnered with local communities and worked with local law enforcement to protect American communities.
Energy and Environment
President Trump reversed years of policies that locked up American energy and restricted our ability to sell to other countries.
Government Accountability
One of President Trump’s biggest campaign promises was to make a government by and for the people. Throughout his first year in office, the President worked to drain the swamp and created more transparency.
Health Care
President Trump repealed the Obamacare individual mandate, expanded plan choices and increased competition to bring down costs for consumers.
Infrastructure and Technology
President Trump built stronger rural communities by ensuring Americans have access to the quality infrastructure they deserve.
Social Programs
President Trump and his Administration protected life by fighting back against illegal drug shipments, opioid abuse, and abortion service providers.
Education
President Trump and his Administration supported the expansion of school choice across the country so every parent has a voice in their child’s education.
Veterans
President Trump made sure the government fulfilled its commitment to our country’s veterans by reforming the V.A., including firing 500 of the worst managers in the agency while providing education and health benefits.
Well, that’s one way to look at it, I guess
You accuse us of having swallowed ‘media’ talking points (many of us here loathe the media as much as you do, but for more salient reasons that ‘anti-Trump bias’) but ‘your’ side somehow is much more honest and reflects reality properly? That they should be believed uncritically?
You cut and paste all of that without understanding why many of them are inaccurate and many more have huge negative consequences?
Please don’t lecture us about ‘doing research’.
Back to 4chan/Parler I go!
Back to 4chan/Parler I go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah
"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"
"You're 4 years too late"
So good lol
when Trump is the only president in my lifetime not to involve the US in a new war.
The group think on politics and covid here on the board is pretty amazing. This culture of trying to shame people for having different beliefs or thoughts is a dead end.
Skateboarding has always been about about individuality and challenging the system, and I believe strongly we should be questioning all the narratives that we are being fed. I don't trust either side as I think there is really only one side, and that's money.
Kook me all you want, but we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.
Expand QuoteWell, that’s one way to look at it, I guess
You accuse us of having swallowed ‘media’ talking points (many of us here loathe the media as much as you do, but for more salient reasons that ‘anti-Trump bias’) but ‘your’ side somehow is much more honest and reflects reality properly? That they should be believed uncritically?
You cut and paste all of that without understanding why many of them are inaccurate and many more have huge negative consequences?
Please don’t lecture us about ‘doing research’.[close]
You've conflated two posts together. I didn't post any of the Trump bullet point stuff.
You also assumed that I loathe the media because of "anti-Trump bias," and tried to dunk on me with your third assumption about you having "more salient reasons" than your made up one that I supposedly have.
I don't have a "side." I listen to both left and right media, as well as independent journalists and do my own research to form my opinions.
Both sides by the way believe that the other is brainwashed, so every time you write something about FOX, New York Post, OAN, etc., be sure that there's someone on another message board writing about MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc.
Do you disagree that Trump is the symptom of 8 years of Obama and Biden? Do you remember when Black Lives Matter was started?
May I ask why is it that, after all that research, you have not come to any conclusions that would align you with a particular viewpoint? Do you do so much research that you have just confused yourself to a point of no return? Or have you pinpointed your position so exactly on such a wide array of individual issues that you remain a free agent of sorts, meandering between sides where you see fit?
Without posting a video, please explain your position clearly why you feel Trump is a "symptom" of two terms of the Obama administration and not the cause of...whatever it is you think folks falsely believe he is the cause of.
I think most people on the left recognize that Trump is not the cause of the world's evil; they just see him as an opportunist who is stoking the racism, homophobia and xenophobia of middle America and capitalizing on it to the country's detriment for his own personal gain (to feed his pocketbook and ego). I can't tell if you agree with that or if you are offering a different take.
But, again, I'm here to listen to you, geneparmesan, without any name-calling.
It's a valid question:
With all the research you say you do, why have you not come to any conclusions that would align you with a particular viewpoint?
I'm here to listen. You can take me up on that, if you wish.
That video's thumbnail looks like a No-Limit album cover. I'm not going to watch that.
I'm here to read the words of you, geneparmesan, after you've digested everything you've researched, and can discuss your challenging ideas and different thoughts and beliefs in a cohesive, succinct manner, without the assistance of any videos.
Can you do that? If so, I'm here to listen and promise I won't call you any names.
we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.
Expand Quotewe should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.[close]
You wanted to discuss your challenging ideas without name calling and I'm offering it to you.
An interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.Except for the whole part where this is already being covered by the media. You linked to the media lmao
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich
I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.
Except for the whole part where this is already being covered by the media. You linked to the media lmaoExpand QuoteAn interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich
I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewe should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.[close]
You wanted to discuss your challenging ideas without name calling and I'm offering it to you.[close]
You’ve argued in bad faith constantly and have been condescending throughout, even here.
You clearly are not interested in a conversation, as you could have responded to any number of things I posted.
Expand QuoteExcept for the whole part where this is already being covered by the media. You linked to the media lmaoExpand QuoteAn interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich
I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.[close][close]
The difference? If this had been Trump, there would have been a million articles plastered everywhere. Instead, all I could find was one article on the guardian.
Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
Expand QuoteJust like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...[close]
you see, you're talking to me like i'm some right-wing Trump supporter here...not even fucking close...i'm a far left, English professor in the humanities who comes from a poor/working family that's been through all kinds of shit, and has had to defend itself against violence before.
then again bruh, maybe you should just kook me and show everyone what a real grown-ass person does when faced with a perspective that doesn't fit into their simplistic binary way of looking at shit...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...[close]
you see, you're talking to me like i'm some right-wing Trump supporter here...not even fucking close...i'm a far left, English professor in the humanities who comes from a poor/working family that's been through all kinds of shit, and has had to defend itself against violence before.
then again bruh, maybe you should just kook me and show everyone what a real grown-ass person does when faced with a perspective that doesn't fit into their simplistic binary way of looking at shit...[close]
well, if that's what you want....
Gene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.
We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.The symptom of what exactly?
Expand QuoteGene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.[close]
I think we should question the numbers and the efficacy of lockdowns, as I agree with the World Health Organization that lockdowns should not be used as the primary means of controlling the virus. The special envoy to covid at the WHO said, “lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never, ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.” (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/world-health-organization-coronavirus-lockdown-advice/12753688?)
In terms of numbers being inflated, Fauci himself said that the pcr tests are not reliable if the cycle threshold is 35 or more and that that would lead to false positives:
3:50 into this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE
The New York Times has reported on this as well (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html)
As far as saying we should be able to discuss challenging ideas without name calling, I was not asking for a safe space from EdLawndale, and wrote this because of the Appleyard thread torching him for his thoughts. Dude's a legend in skateboarding and doesn't deserve the shade thrown at him for expressing his opinion.
Just to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;The symptom of what exactly?Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
Expand QuoteJust to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;The symptom of what exactly?Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.[close]
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Example of what?
Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
Expand QuoteHe's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Example of what?[close]
It's clear that DW doesn't support Trump, but the point stands that critiques on here are met with derision and assumptions, ieQuote from: Big SkatefaseExpand QuoteJust like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...[close]
You see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.Expand QuoteJust to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;The symptom of what exactly?Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.[close]
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
even forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.
nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.
the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
-Frantz Fanon
Expand Quoteeven forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.
nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.
the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
-Frantz Fanon[close]
For anyone who doesn't want to read all this, here's the summary...
I like guns.
Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
You see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;The symptom of what exactly?Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.[close]
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.[close]
So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.
If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?
Expand QuoteWhere in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?[close]
as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.
the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteeven forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.
nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.
the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.
"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
-Frantz Fanon[close]
For anyone who doesn't want to read all this, here's the summary...
I like guns.[close]
based on the few exchanges i've had with you, it's so clear that you respond to people's comments without actually reading them or any material that accompany them.
so, you've never had to defend yourself, someone you love, or your home? must be nice...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?[close]
as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.
the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...[close]
Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?[close]
as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.
the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...[close]
Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?[close]
what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?[close]
as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.
the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...[close]
Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?[close]
what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?[close]
What enemies do you have to where you can't defend yourself with a handgun, shotgun, or ["non-assault"] rifle?
Ok, so these things made people vote for Trump, but because of what exactly?Are you really trying your best, because your tone seems snide and the onion article was a clear joke.Expand QuoteYou see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;The symptom of what exactly?Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.[close]
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.[close]
So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.
If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?[close]
Under Obama we got more wars, more drone bombings, more police militarization, bigger banks, Monsanto protection, Flint water crisis, Arctic drilling, government spying on reporters, NSA spying scandal, whistleblower torture (Chelsea Manning), ATF gunwalking scandal, IRS misconduct, and DAPL to name a few things.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?[close]
as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.
the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...[close]
Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?[close]
what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?[close]
What enemies do you have to where you can't defend yourself with a handgun, shotgun, or ["non-assault"] rifle?[close]
in the context of this conversation, why don't you explain to me what the difference is between my 9mm Glock handguns and my AKs (oh, sorry, my "assault" rifles)?
by the way, the vast majority of gun deaths are by handgun--if i remember right, like only 2% occur by "assault weapon"
Expand QuoteGene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.[close]
I think we should question the numbers and the efficacy of lockdowns, as I agree with the World Health Organization that lockdowns should not be used as the primary means of controlling the virus. The special envoy to covid at the WHO said, “lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never, ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.” (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/world-health-organization-coronavirus-lockdown-advice/12753688?)
In terms of numbers being inflated, Fauci himself said that the pcr tests are not reliable if the cycle threshold is 35 or more and that that would lead to false positives:
3:50 into this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE
The New York Times has reported on this as well (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html)
As far as saying we should be able to discuss challenging ideas without name calling, I was not asking for a safe space from EdLawndale, and wrote this because of the Appleyard thread torching him for his thoughts. Dude's a legend in skateboarding and doesn't deserve the shade thrown at him for expressing his opinion.
Ok, so these things made people vote for Trump, but because of what exactly?Expand QuoteAre you really trying your best, because your tone seems snide and the onion article was a clear joke.Expand QuoteYou see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;The symptom of what exactly?Expand QuoteWe got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.[close]
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.[close]
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.[close]
So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.
If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?[close]
Under Obama we got more wars, more drone bombings, more police militarization, bigger banks, Monsanto protection, Flint water crisis, Arctic drilling, government spying on reporters, NSA spying scandal, whistleblower torture (Chelsea Manning), ATF gunwalking scandal, IRS misconduct, and DAPL to name a few things.[close]
ATF gun walking started in 2006, DAPL involves jobs for Americans- same for arctic drilling (which Trump finalized...), Chelsea Manning was never popular with Republicans -because he/she was a considered a traitor (and was jailed again in 2019 after being commuted by Obama..), NSA spying has been a Patriot Act symptom since it was introduced.
So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
The post about Trump being the symptom of Obama/Biden would be spot on if it came out and said "Most republicans couldn't stomach a fit, handsome, intelligent, educated, humorous, well spoken, family oriented Black man in the role that they themselves may have aspired towards when in kindergarten but that no one like them, other than in relation to the color of their skin, has or will ever hold."
Simply put, it's the fight for white supremacy.
Expand QuoteThe post about Trump being the symptom of Obama/Biden would be spot on if it came out and said "Most republicans couldn't stomach a fit, handsome, intelligent, educated, humorous, well spoken, family oriented Black man in the role that they themselves may have aspired towards when in kindergarten but that no one like them, other than in relation to the color of their skin, has or will ever hold."
Simply put, it's the fight for white supremacy.[close]
Sounds kinda similar to what Biden had to say about Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCvTb1KRNA
This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
Expand QuoteThis is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.[close]
You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.
I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah
"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"
"You're 4 years too late"
So good lol
So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
Expand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
You really don't understand it? Seriously?Ok, so completely ignoring the fact that the Democrats had a huge divide between Biden and Hillary supporters- what made the Republicans go for Trump? Or, is the quote supposed to be "the election of a republican president in 2016 is the symptom of internal problems in the democratic party" and it's completely irrelevant that Trump was the R Candidate?
Hillary Clinton ran on continuing the Obama legacy. (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-obamas-campaign-228625).
That legacy was not appealing to enough voters to win.
So when I say that we got Trump because of Obama and Biden's policies, I mean that not enough people wanted to support a third Obama term for Hillary to be elected.
Ok, so completely ignoring the fact that the Democrats had a huge divide between Biden and Hillary supporters- what made the Republicans go for Trump? Or, is the quote supposed to be "the election of a republican president in 2016 is the symptom of internal problems in the democratic party" and it's completely irrelevant that Trump was the R Candidate?Expand QuoteYou really don't understand it? Seriously?
Hillary Clinton ran on continuing the Obama legacy. (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-obamas-campaign-228625).
That legacy was not appealing to enough voters to win.
So when I say that we got Trump because of Obama and Biden's policies, I mean that not enough people wanted to support a third Obama term for Hillary to be elected.[close]
Or, let's just put it like this; why did roughly half the country vote for Trump for a 2nd term? Simply because he was the republican candidate or because they like his policies and work so far?
As an outsider, it's completely mindblowing to see how people suck the dick of their party. You could have a known child molester as your candidate and people would still cheer for them. The toxic problem in US politics is the 2-party system, which quite frankly is just a single party away from being a 100% autocracy. You like guns? Well you also want to ban abortions, hate immigrants and you hold the Christian religion above anything else. You want Government healthcare? Now you hate guns and want to stop the oil industry. Like what the fuck kinda choices are that?
There isn't a single "freedom" that I am envious of the US for. What a fucking shithole.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.[close]
You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.
I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States[close]
I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.
I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.[close]
You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.
I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States[close]
I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.
I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.[close]
you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?
the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.
do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?
what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.[close]
You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.
I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States[close]
I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.
I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.[close]
you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?
the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.
do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?
what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...[close]
Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.
I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the pint that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.
This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.[close]
You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.
I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States[close]
I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.
I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.[close]
you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?
the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.
do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?
what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...[close]
Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.
I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the pint that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.[close]
As you guys say, I really am genuinely curious if you're aware that everything you just posted falls under the anecdotal evidence logical fallacy and is actually kind of silly?
You could have a known child molester as your candidate and people would still cheer for them.You mean like Donald Trump?
And the vast majority of those are suicides.
by the way, the vast majority of gun deaths are by handgun--if i remember right, like only 2% occur by "assault weapon"
Expand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)[close]
well said. the dude is trolling hard.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.[close]
You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.
I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States[close]
I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.
I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.[close]
you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?
the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.
do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?
what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...[close]
Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.
I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the pint that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.
Stop being a scared bitch Wendell.
Expand QuoteStop being a scared bitch Wendell.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)[close]
well said. the dude is trolling hard.[close]
The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)[close]
well said. the dude is trolling hard.[close]
The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.[close]
So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.
I’ll repeat this again.
There is proof that Obama’s whole cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.
There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.
There is proof that Obam’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.
To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.
As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.
But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)[close]
well said. the dude is trolling hard.[close]
The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.[close]
So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.
I’ll repeat this again.
There is proof that Obama’s cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.
There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.
There is proof that Obama’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.
To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.
As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.
But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.[close]
This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.
I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:
1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)
3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)
4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)
5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)[close]
well said. the dude is trolling hard.[close]
The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.[close]
So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.
I’ll repeat this again.
There is proof that Obama’s whole cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.
There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.
There is proof that Obam’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.
To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.
As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.
But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?[close]
I’m in agreement with you on all of these items, but my question is - what next?
I’m not asking this rhetorically or to sound like I’m holier than thou, but are you completely checked out on American politics because of these failures of the system and the seemingly inescapable corporate influence on politicians? If so, that’s fine and completely understandable, but I guess my follow up question is - why participate in this thread? Is it just to show you know more about the evils of politicians?
There’s an abundance of absolute scumbags on both sides of party lines, no doubt. I’m a multiple time Bernie and progressive donor and strong dem-socialist supporter. I’ve been disappointed multiple times by the actions of the DNC. However, as it stands this is the system we have and I’m not going to sit on the sidelines and pout until someone else fixes it or makes it better for me.
I do have hope for a push left in the party as a result of a change in messaging and campaigning strategies, or of a third party coming into play - a revamped Green Party or People’s Party. Some great progressive policies got passed this election cycle, and some progressive candidates like Nithya Raman in Los Angeles. But this only happens with enthusiastic participation and engagement with members of the public and your peers. Complaining of a broken system while not working towards a better one is just as useless as plugging your ears and pretending nothing is wrong in the current one.
Of course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.
Expand QuoteOf course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.[close]
You provide no evidence and then ask me to provide evidence?
Even going along with your assertion, I'll take bullying language all day long if it means no new wars.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOf course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.[close]
You provide no evidence and then ask me to provide evidence?
Even going along with your assertion, I'll take bullying language all day long if it means no new wars.[close]
Come on dude, there's no absence of military contractors holding down the US presence throughout the Middle East and rest of the world. Don't play coy.
The two parties were much closer to one another in the 90s than they are today. The right has gone off the rails. These false equivalencies aren't convincing to anyone outside of those who already back Trump.
Under the Obama admin we saw the creation of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. An agency that was neutered under Trump who wanted zero protection for workers or consumers.
Under Obama we saw an increase in legislation meant at protecting the environment and the US taking the baby step of joining the Paris Agreement. Trump undid much of the environmental rules, opened up mining on protected federal lands, shrunk the size of national parks, and tried to leave the Paris Agreement AND is currently fucking up the arctic open for the benefit of the oil companies. (The baby step of joining the toothless Paris Agreement sent Trump and the GOP into convulsions.)
Under the Obama admin we saw DACA implemented to protect immigrants who came here at a very young age and we saw the increase of policing of immigration (seems kind of like a compromise with the right). Trump tried to undo DACA immediately, blocked people with visas from coming to America because they were Muslim (protecting the freedom of religion part of the Constitution there huh?)... and Sessions and Trump thought it'd be good immigration policy to separate children from their families (some of those children still haven't been reunited with their parents).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html
Obama's cabinet is full of the educated and experienced centrists that one would expect to find in a government that is trying to "reach across the aisle." Trump's cabinet was full of people who didn't even know what their agency did and were completely incompetent or far right idealogues (DeVos, Perry, etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama%27s_Cabinet
Dick Cheney and Bush figured out ways to "legally" torture people. Obama didn't torture people, although he ordered drone strikes in a way that was wrong. Trump campaigned on making the US a torture state again; he pardoned someone who engaged in war crimes; and couldn't stop jacking off thinking about dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb.
Trump wrote love letters to Kim Jong-un. He backed out of the Iran deal and gave the far right more power in Iran (as the moderates were the ones willing to attempt to negotiate with the West... he only made things harder for normal people in Iran and decreased the security of the world).
Obama was there immediately to help all red and blue states after Katrina. Trump told California no federal emergency funding for the wild fires and asked if he could nuke a fucking hurricane. And, left PR to die and tried to give 300 million to his friend via a corrupt deal (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/29/puerto-rico-governor-whitefish-power-contract-cancelled).
Obama was front and center when the ebola scare occurred and he declared H1N1 a national emergency in oct of 2009... throughout the Covid crisis Trump has either said, "Maybe we can inject bleach into people" or went to the golf course, he shadow team (Kushner's frat boy idiots) said, "Fuck it. It is a blue state problem. Let's do nothing" and his official team (Pence) has had people get COVID (not to mention the WH is on its 3rd wave of the COVID... and the fucking president got it and over 100 secret service officers). The fucker didn't even bother going to the recent G20 meeting about covid, but went and played some more golf.
Obama obviously not stoked about Trump winning invited him to the White House, opened up the funding Trump needed to start his transition, and told the country, "We need this guy to do well because he is running the ship that we're all on" Trump won't concede, attempted to steal the election via the courts and is now trying to subvert the will of the people through fucking with the electoral college process and creating doubt on the integrity of US elections (which have structural problems that are meant to keep people of color from voting... not Trump's white base).
“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”
Fuck this both parties are equal bullshit. One is a bit softer on issues than I would like them to be, but the other purposefully makes the world a worse place for the interests of the very few.
Edit. +1 he is correct that he was winning but ended up losing.
Expand QuoteEdit. +1 he is correct that he was winning but ended up losing.[close]
No he wasn't. He always had less votes, just there was a point when more of his had been counted. But all those votes were still sitting there and still said the same thing.
Nobody in their right mind is going to watch this guy pussyache for 45 minutes about losing.
It was entertaining. Had he won it would be scary but it was a fitting address to sum up his life/career/presidency.
Do a anybody still trip on that? A racist, homophobe, misogynist complete loser failure businessman was elected president. Just about every time I hear him speak or read his Twitter I spend several minutes wondering if I have actually just lost my mind or got in a bad car wreck and have been in a deep coma and have imagined everything. And if that’s the case, could I just do hard flips too, or is my mind only willing to let so much impossibility be imaginable?
Expand QuoteThe two parties were much closer to one another in the 90s than they are today. The right has gone off the rails. These false equivalencies aren't convincing to anyone outside of those who already back Trump.
Under the Obama admin we saw the creation of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. An agency that was neutered under Trump who wanted zero protection for workers or consumers.
Under Obama we saw an increase in legislation meant at protecting the environment and the US taking the baby step of joining the Paris Agreement. Trump undid much of the environmental rules, opened up mining on protected federal lands, shrunk the size of national parks, and tried to leave the Paris Agreement AND is currently fucking up the arctic open for the benefit of the oil companies. (The baby step of joining the toothless Paris Agreement sent Trump and the GOP into convulsions.)
Under the Obama admin we saw DACA implemented to protect immigrants who came here at a very young age and we saw the increase of policing of immigration (seems kind of like a compromise with the right). Trump tried to undo DACA immediately, blocked people with visas from coming to America because they were Muslim (protecting the freedom of religion part of the Constitution there huh?)... and Sessions and Trump thought it'd be good immigration policy to separate children from their families (some of those children still haven't been reunited with their parents).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html
Obama's cabinet is full of the educated and experienced centrists that one would expect to find in a government that is trying to "reach across the aisle." Trump's cabinet was full of people who didn't even know what their agency did and were completely incompetent or far right idealogues (DeVos, Perry, etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama%27s_Cabinet
Dick Cheney and Bush figured out ways to "legally" torture people. Obama didn't torture people, although he ordered drone strikes in a way that was wrong. Trump campaigned on making the US a torture state again; he pardoned someone who engaged in war crimes; and couldn't stop jacking off thinking about dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb.
Trump wrote love letters to Kim Jong-un. He backed out of the Iran deal and gave the far right more power in Iran (as the moderates were the ones willing to attempt to negotiate with the West... he only made things harder for normal people in Iran and decreased the security of the world).
Obama was there immediately to help all red and blue states after Katrina. Trump told California no federal emergency funding for the wild fires and asked if he could nuke a fucking hurricane. And, left PR to die and tried to give 300 million to his friend via a corrupt deal (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/29/puerto-rico-governor-whitefish-power-contract-cancelled).
Obama was front and center when the ebola scare occurred and he declared H1N1 a national emergency in oct of 2009... throughout the Covid crisis Trump has either said, "Maybe we can inject bleach into people" or went to the golf course, he shadow team (Kushner's frat boy idiots) said, "Fuck it. It is a blue state problem. Let's do nothing" and his official team (Pence) has had people get COVID (not to mention the WH is on its 3rd wave of the COVID... and the fucking president got it and over 100 secret service officers). The fucker didn't even bother going to the recent G20 meeting about covid, but went and played some more golf.
Obama obviously not stoked about Trump winning invited him to the White House, opened up the funding Trump needed to start his transition, and told the country, "We need this guy to do well because he is running the ship that we're all on" Trump won't concede, attempted to steal the election via the courts and is now trying to subvert the will of the people through fucking with the electoral college process and creating doubt on the integrity of US elections (which have structural problems that are meant to keep people of color from voting... not Trump's white base).
“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”
Fuck this both parties are equal bullshit. One is a bit softer on issues than I would like them to be, but the other purposefully makes the world a worse place for the interests of the very few.[close]
Amazing to see someone on a skateboard forum argue for a cabinet chosen by a corporation.
Fuck your fuck this both parties are equal bullshit.
It's time to wake up.
They are both uniquely evil in their own ways and beholden to those with money. Not we the people.
They've used the media to get us to argue against each other, instead of realizing that we have more in common than we have difference.
We should have Medicare for All.
We should have have a ubi during this time period when the government has unconstitutionally shut down our lives and our economy.
It is fucked beyond belief that Americans have been allowed to go for so long without any help from the government, and now these assholes are going on vacation while other people's mortgages go unpaid through no fault of their own.
I'm not happy with either side and I think that how we live our lives in relation to the government is going to change very soon.
We are all part of the same consciousness and it's not sustainable to be so divided like this.
Once the division falls away, all these arguments will be meaningless.
Shalom.
Expand QuoteIt was entertaining. Had he won it would be scary but it was a fitting address to sum up his life/career/presidency.
Do a anybody still trip on that? A racist, homophobe, misogynist complete loser failure businessman was elected president. Just about every time I hear him speak or read his Twitter I spend several minutes wondering if I have actually just lost my mind or got in a bad car wreck and have been in a deep coma and have imagined everything. And if that’s the case, could I just do hard flips too, or is my mind only willing to let so much impossibility be imaginable?[close]
this is no new or original take on what you say here, but one question to reflect on is to what degree this is his whole point...google Trump and "gaslighting" and there's plenty to read
it seems like the ongoing efforts to challenge and discredit the election are increasingly like a whole other corresponding approach to gaslighting
Looking for the " Pro Trump skater thread"Orange man bad bro.
Uncle Donnie is about to have 8 more years. God Bless America, the leader of the free world.
Looking for the " Pro Trump skater thread"You're dumb as fuck, dude.
Uncle Donnie is about to have 8 more years. God Bless America, the leader of the free world.