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Title: Biden vs Trump
Post by: donny2chugs on October 26, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
I honestly don't know how skaters tend to vote, so I thought I would collect some biased and imprecise data.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: sus on October 26, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
don't forget that Ye is on the ballot
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: dumptruck12 on October 26, 2020, 02:38:06 PM
This is dumb, back to skating please
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IpathCats on October 26, 2020, 02:41:44 PM
don't forget that Ye is on the ballot

Pretty sure it's spelled yay...... God, fucking (insert whatever candidate you support here) supporters are the worst.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: themeangreen on October 26, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
Pretty sure this is a skate forum. Take that shit to Facebook like a man!!!!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sandygoat on October 26, 2020, 02:47:13 PM
Idk good question. Who supports my chronic cannabis addiction? 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Lord Viper Scorpion on October 26, 2020, 02:49:30 PM
who?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alois Hitler Jr. on October 26, 2020, 02:50:35 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGyewtrlpTC/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CGyewtrlpTC/)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Pavs323 on October 26, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
Heard Biden’s got a great switch tre.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sandygoat on October 26, 2020, 02:55:40 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGyewtrlpTC/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CGyewtrlpTC/)
quite ironic
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Surf The Earth on October 26, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
No Fred Gall option. Not a valid Poll
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on October 26, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
William Phan
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: chrisskates808 on October 26, 2020, 03:05:36 PM
Pretty sure this is a skate forum. Take that shit to Facebook like a man!!!!

Or use Reddit haha
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: hank on October 26, 2020, 03:28:58 PM
Trump is going to win
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: MyUserName on October 26, 2020, 03:35:49 PM
All jokes aside, if you can vote, vote.

The whole “both sides are the same” argument kind of went out the window in 2016 and we have a wannabe fascist AND a corrupt political party shielding him that must be voted out.

Voting matters. If it didn’t, Republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to make it difficult to do.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on October 26, 2020, 03:43:26 PM
don't forget that Ye is on the ballot

He isn’t in most places.  He’s on CA ballots as a VP to some idiot 3rd Party platform (racist ass George Wallace’s party)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on October 26, 2020, 03:50:44 PM
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Gbeerme on October 26, 2020, 03:56:22 PM
Voted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide.  If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance.  This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime.  Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: flintstagram on October 26, 2020, 04:49:00 PM
Politics are like bus routes. Pick the candidate that gets you closest to your destination. I really feel like if that's not Joe Biden your priorities are fucked, but hey, voice your opinion.

This poll could also be called how to easily identify racists...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on October 26, 2020, 05:26:23 PM
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government

What is statism?

It's up to you but if you don't vote your apathy only encourages those that will destroy our semblance of a democracy.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Gabagoolslide on October 26, 2020, 05:42:43 PM
This was fun
voting is so much fun
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: L33Tg33k on October 26, 2020, 06:25:21 PM
If you vote anything other than Biden you're less than human to me.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 26, 2020, 06:36:18 PM
No Fred Gall option. Not a valid Poll

Praise Gall.

How many buddhist monks have Joe or Donald pulled out of burning monastery?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shucknjive on October 26, 2020, 06:38:25 PM
ded ppl

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Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: flintstagram on October 26, 2020, 07:57:16 PM
If you vote anything other than Biden you're less than human to me.

This. Holy shit this.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 26, 2020, 08:01:46 PM
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government

Solidarity, this guy gets it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on October 26, 2020, 08:52:50 PM
Look, Biden sucks, there's no getting around it. This is however, an era where people, regular white liberals are praising the days of Bush Jr over Trump... It's an unprecedented period in modern American history. Voting for Kanye is weak and a wasted vote. I say that it's wasted because there are millions of people who CANT vote for countless, arbitrary laws, so I'm looking at it like I'm using my vote for those who can't. The states and majority of individuals living in them won't fare well under a lengthened Christian fascist regime.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on October 26, 2020, 10:49:31 PM
It was pretty funny when Biden forgot what decade he was in for sec and called trump george
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on October 27, 2020, 05:01:38 AM
I voted for legal cannabis in my state.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on October 27, 2020, 07:10:52 AM
Just remember no matter who you vote for the rich stay rich, the poor stay poor and bombs keep dropping on brown people.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on October 27, 2020, 07:14:58 AM
Voted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide.  If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance.  This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime.  Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.

I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on October 27, 2020, 08:18:23 AM
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I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government
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Slavery? What are you, 14? They fucking love it that you don't vote.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: coyote2425 on October 27, 2020, 08:27:23 AM
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If you vote anything other than Biden you're less than human to me.
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This. Holy shit this.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: fredgallSOTY on October 27, 2020, 08:32:32 AM
for all the ppl saying "this is a skating forum, stop talking about politics", this is in the whatever section, a place to talk about... whatever
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: rawr1922 on October 27, 2020, 09:48:32 AM
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I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government
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They fucking love it that you don't vote.
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Seriously especially with respect to propositions. Voting on your districts propositions more important than voting for the president. Those directly affect you & your community. For example, new development here adding 1,000+ houses recently broke ground. One of the props , makes it harder for developers in the future to start new projects because they would need a vote of approval by the residents.  Also another prop would require term limits for our city council. Right now they seem corrupt. Every election , guarantee crazy props that have huge impacts on your community. Pretty reckless not to vote , fucking over your neighbor & family   
 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Watitdo on October 27, 2020, 10:18:19 AM
It's crazy how conservative the skate world is...Then there's the whole I'm not voting, and it only comes up when skaters talk about politics. You NEVER see skaters dedicating time to start a non-voting movement, whole lotta bullshit.

Voting republican means you are openly racist and support lies and bullshit.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on October 27, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
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Voted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide.  If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance.  This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime.  Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.
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I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.

I feel like libertarianism is just an ideology for those who want to justify our current march towards a hyper unequal society.

I can understand some affection for the romantic aspects of the ideology, but the system in practice is a disaster. It seems to just create a group of ultra wealthy and a bunch of peasants who are fucked.

In order to accept it as an option, someone has to, purposefully, pretend power doesn't exist, propaganda doesn't exist (and, if it does, the truth will overcome the lies), inheritance doesn't exist (or it is justifiable in a society that is supposed to be based on merit), and that greed and no rules = magical invisible regulation that would promote the common good.

(https://i.ibb.co/J29wcRK/Screen-Shot-2020-10-27-at-1-24-43-PM.png)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on October 27, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
Just remember no matter who you vote for the rich stay rich, the poor stay poor and bombs keep dropping on brown people.

this
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 27, 2020, 11:08:05 AM
some of ya'll act like you know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Watitdo on October 27, 2020, 11:36:31 AM
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Just remember no matter who you vote for the rich stay rich, the poor stay poor and bombs keep dropping on brown people.
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You act like you care that the "poor stay poor", but it's such obvious bullshit. You don't care. Don't act like it. You just want to feel superior to both parties because they don't 100% align with whatever your beliefs are, like an edgy middle schooler.

Name one issue affecting the poor that the Democrats don't have a better stance on. No one's saying that the Democrats are perfect, but the "both sides are the same" bullshit is literally a Republican strategy put out in the hopes of suppressing the vote while they go systematically eliminating labor unions/worker's rights, healthcare, public works, welfare... basically every single policy imaginable that helps people who aren't born into money.

"But, but, it's too hard to know all that stuff in politics, you know the media lies."

**Goes back to scrolling instagram 5 hours a day**
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: sexualhelon on October 27, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
I think it's interesting that the Democratic party decided to make the same mistakes this election as the last. Biden's quote of, "if you don't vote Biden, you're not black" or whatever the exact quote was is laughable. Biden, just like Hillary, is obviously banking on the black and female vote. For whatever reason she was, and he is, very confident they had it.

Not that Trump is by any means better. I think a lot of people voted for Trump as a joke or because they were bummed on what the DNC did to Bernie. No one was really passionate about Hillary or Biden and Trump supporters are definitely into the dude.

I think it's pretty lame there's still only two choices. Some more, "better" parties, will hopefully stand a chance at some point. Politics are politics though and the president is just a figurehead to a certain extent. Trump getting elected definitely exposed how shit of a system it all is if anyone was unaware before. The next president can just come in and apparently say "fuck everything the last president did".
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on October 27, 2020, 12:56:31 PM
what's more fun, shitting the bed or barfing in your lap
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on October 27, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
Anyone who denies science shouldn't be running the world.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on October 27, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
i'd vote for biden, but i probably would need to get severely drunk to be okay with myself.

trump is an absolute no-go.

i'm sorry your only options are two half dead, touchy, semi- to full on racist motherfuckers that worship money more than anything.

that said, trump is his own league of scumbaggery and still a hundred times worse than biden, and i hope you get rid of him this election.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on October 27, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
All jokes aside, if you can vote, vote.

The whole “both sides are the same” argument kind of went out the window in 2016 and we have a wannabe fascist AND a corrupt political party shielding him that must be voted out.

Voting matters. If it didn’t, Republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to make it difficult to do.
I’m on this logic as of lately, we know Trump is a goon with a fucked mob of boneheads to back him up, but I’d rather have some normalcy with a politician who is probably going to do the same thing but not as bad.

I get the logic of lesser then two evils aren’t much better but for a sense of diplomacy and international politics we can not be the racist laughing stock of the rest of the world I’m going with Biden, reluctantly mind you as we’ve been needing an upheaval of how the system was meant to fuck everyone and cause divisions within it’s community.

A populous divided against each other is how they’ve kept racism and gatekeeper opportunities from one another.

Even if you’re successful and make it out the hood or whatever situation you were born in, your life and time will always be owed and or owned by someone. The 9-5 working day is a modern day slavery.

 We’ve all been duped.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alois Hitler Jr. on October 27, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on October 27, 2020, 06:17:50 PM
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Voted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide.  If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance.  This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime.  Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.
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I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.

I have questions about the need for a vibrant third party in our current system.  In a parliamentary system where a coalition would need to be formed in order to represent the popular vote threshold, I see the point and need for a vibrant makeup of political parties.  However in our current system, a strong third party would mean that the eventual winner would represent an even smaller percentage of voters than the current “one or the other” system.   I’m far from thinking the current system is perfect, but I’m have reservations that a third party would be some great salve, particularly a libertarian party bc their beliefs can never work in actual practice bc it’s the political equivalent of taking one semester of college, not hacking it, then pretending you left on your own bc street smarts are more important than book smarts
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on October 27, 2020, 08:58:41 PM
Honestly they need to have a duel to the death like Roman collesium all weapons are applicable except guns.

Would be great to see Trump's head on a like.....
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Miller92 on October 28, 2020, 10:13:11 AM
I think it's interesting that the Democratic party decided to make the same mistakes this election as the last. Biden's quote of, "if you don't vote Biden, you're not black" or whatever the exact quote was is laughable. Biden, just like Hillary, is obviously banking on the black and female vote. For whatever reason she was, and he is, very confident they had it.

Not that Trump is by any means better. I think a lot of people voted for Trump as a joke or because they were bummed on what the DNC did to Bernie. No one was really passionate about Hillary or Biden and Trump supporters are definitely into the dude.

I think it's pretty lame there's still only two choices. Some more, "better" parties, will hopefully stand a chance at some point. Politics are politics though and the president is just a figurehead to a certain extent. Trump getting elected definitely exposed how shit of a system it all is if anyone was unaware before. The next president can just come in and apparently say "fuck everything the last president did".

the enthusiasm this cycle for Biden compared to Hillary is WAAAY different.  People are mobilized and are coming out for Biden because of the last 4 years.  Trump is president because people hated Hillary Clinton THAT MUCH.  No one except the 25-30% of die hard Fox News Trumpers like the guy.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on October 28, 2020, 01:22:17 PM
I honestly have no faith in America anymore. I remain doubtful that Biden will win, but still hopeful that by some miracle, he does.

I dont believe Florida will vote in his favor. Everyone saying Texas will turn blue? Yeah fucking right.

Fuck the electoral college. Fuck Trump.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on October 28, 2020, 01:29:31 PM
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I think it's interesting that the Democratic party decided to make the same mistakes this election as the last. Biden's quote of, "if you don't vote Biden, you're not black" or whatever the exact quote was is laughable. Biden, just like Hillary, is obviously banking on the black and female vote. For whatever reason she was, and he is, very confident they had it.

Not that Trump is by any means better. I think a lot of people voted for Trump as a joke or because they were bummed on what the DNC did to Bernie. No one was really passionate about Hillary or Biden and Trump supporters are definitely into the dude.

I think it's pretty lame there's still only two choices. Some more, "better" parties, will hopefully stand a chance at some point. Politics are politics though and the president is just a figurehead to a certain extent. Trump getting elected definitely exposed how shit of a system it all is if anyone was unaware before. The next president can just come in and apparently say "fuck everything the last president did".
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the enthusiasm this cycle for Biden compared to Hillary is WAAAY different.  People are mobilized and are coming out for Biden because of the last 4 years.  Trump is president because people hated Hillary Clinton THAT MUCH.  No one except the 25-30% of die hard Fox News Trumpers like the guy.

I agree with this. I may end up eating my words (I sure as fuck hope not) but I think there is rampant enthusiasm to vote Trump out after the shit spectacle that has been the past 4 years and I think those flames have also been fanned by Trump’s absolute failure to handle COVID-19. I’m very far left of Biden politically, but when I think back to the initial panic back in March I would have given anything to have a run of the mill politician in charge to stand up there and give us the spiel we needed to feel like everything is going to be okay. Someone who would at least have told the country to put their trust in science and not turn it into whatever Trump has. Anyone who tells me these two candidates are the same needs to grow up and stop fucking kidding themself because we would not be in the same boat right now had the Democrats been in control earlier this year.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alan on October 28, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)

I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Stu Pickles on October 28, 2020, 01:45:49 PM
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Voted Libertarian, because Democrats will win in California by a landslide.  If we want to build a chance for a party other than Dems and Reps to be a competitor down the road it seems the libertarian party may have the best chance.  This could take 20 years for them to get to 30% vote, but its been Dems and Rep for my lifetime.  Dominant 2 party revenue machine needs some competition.
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I support the diversification of US political parties but fuck libertarianism just as much as the current corporate duopoly, what a dumb fucking ideology lol.
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I have questions about the need for a vibrant third party in our current system.  In a parliamentary system where a coalition would need to be formed in order to represent the popular vote threshold, I see the point and need for a vibrant makeup of political parties.  However in our current system, a strong third party would mean that the eventual winner would represent an even smaller percentage of voters than the current “one or the other” system.   I’m far from thinking the current system is perfect, but I’m have reservations that a third party would be some great salve, particularly a libertarian party bc their beliefs can never work in actual practice bc it’s the political equivalent of taking one semester of college, not hacking it, then pretending you left on your own bc street smarts are more important than book smarts

In canada we have 4 Major parties(NDP - far left, Liberal - Left, BLOC - Quebec shit idk, Conservative - Right), 1 minor party with representation (Green - Environmental focused left) and some independents all elected into parliament (note: Maxime Bernier tried to start a far right wing party this last election and got completely embarrassed, winning 0 seats). This kinda works because the country as a whole is very left leaning, and the popular right wing views are moderate compared to the US. So there is very little "my team" attitude when it comes to politics, votes land where ever the pendulum is currently swinging, or whoever makes a quality and substantive campaign, rarely do people fall into the cult of personality trap here, which is just cultural differences between Canada and the US (im always blown away at the celeb worship that casually goes on when I visit the states).

We also have 300+ seats that all influence policy so people are driven sometimes to vote for a candidate that is outside their normal party but will best represent their community. It is not perfect but it works fairly well, and keeps that militant political allegiance out of the picture. But it also only works due to the parliamentary system''s processes. The way the US system works I feel a third party would just be lobbied by the Dems or Reps to align with them, defeating the whole purpose of getting a third party involved. As an outsider looking at the US system it seems too corrupted and bastardized from its original intent that without major reform, the removal of the electoral college, and a roll back on all the fuckery gerrymandering and voter surpression that has gone on forever. The US feels stuck in a two party, my team vs your team, toxic political environment. Trump did so much damage to this that it will take a long time to right the ship. Idk why im writing all this and now that im done it prob adds nothing, Im just procrastinating studying calculus

Trump also contributed to killing my journalism career with his war on journalists (even in canada it fucked everything up), so fuck that joke of a human. Vote that fucker out.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on October 28, 2020, 02:00:21 PM
Already getting notices to not expect to hear a result the morning after election day. Thoughts on how long this could draw out?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on October 28, 2020, 02:43:49 PM
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just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.

Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on October 28, 2020, 04:27:11 PM
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just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.
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Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.

Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on October 28, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
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just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.
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Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.
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Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.

is this some attempt at a joke? or is DP serious? what the fuck is going on
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on October 28, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
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just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.
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Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.
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Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.
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is this some attempt at a joke? or is DP serious? what the fuck is going on

According to his former-bandmates he went off the deep-end in 2013. (https://www.awayfromlife.com/uxb-ex-us-bombs-im-interview/)

He's convinced himself that bootlicking the police and worshipping a man who never actually worked a day in his life and doesn't pay his contractors is blue-collar punk and rebellious.

DP just loves Trump's racism, sexism, and homophobia. And, lest we forget DP's values:
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-the-master-of-disaster-domestic-violence-20140225-story.html
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on October 28, 2020, 10:40:46 PM
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just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)
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I was wondering who'd be the first to make MAGA boards.
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Who would pay $150 for that garbage? You could buy two non-garbage decks for that price.
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Trumpanzees got conned by the GoFund me campaign to finish paying for his wall. They said "they'll gladly do it again"... So trump supporters will spend $150 and more for that garbage.
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is this some attempt at a joke? or is DP serious? what the fuck is going on

He's serious. Remember this thread? https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=103097.0
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: brycickle on October 29, 2020, 09:59:11 AM
Already getting notices to not expect to hear a result the morning after election day. Thoughts on how long this could draw out?
Until the supreme court gives him what he wants.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: coyote2425 on October 29, 2020, 11:52:15 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic this Cheeto cunt is out.

The way some people vehemently defend him, his policies, antics and complete lack of even an ounce of integrity/decency/honesty/values/empathy/selflessness, etc. baffles me. I feel like I've learned so much about people I thought I knew in the past four years (really just in the past few months).

Social media was always going to help bring us down, but 45 and covid drastically accelerated the process. People are just "so woke" now, peddling their QAnon/disinformation bullshit as fact. The irony of the duped preaching to rest that they're sheep...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on October 29, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
Sorry guys, I know this is a reddit link and I dont know how to save and post the video here, but this is a good indication that trump supporters live in a cult.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/jjfiek/trump_supporters_intimidating_voters/
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Again, sorry for the reddit link, but I couldnt let this NOT be shared.

I also wondered how in the fuck hitler rose to power. Now I get it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: HyenaChaser on October 29, 2020, 02:28:25 PM
For the ten people (as of publication) that said they were down with trump, honest question, can you explain to me why?
Are you pleased with his overall performance?
What do you hope to see from him if re-elected?

I’m not going to try to change your mind, genuinely want to understand what the thinking is.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on October 30, 2020, 12:46:45 AM
LMAO, lil wayne supporting trump https://imgur.com/gallery/nag0x0z

and there I was thinking that there could be no bigger idiot than kanye
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on October 30, 2020, 10:36:06 AM
LMAO, lil wayne supporting trump https://imgur.com/gallery/nag0x0z

and there I was thinking that there could be no bigger idiot than kanye

Damn, I could of sworn Lil' Wayne wasn't this stupid, but he is pretty oblivious to the world around him.

"[Lil Wayne] clarifies that political activism isn't necessarily something we should expect from him: "I'm not that. And honestly, I don’t care."
https://www.thefader.com/2020/10/30/albums-stream-ariana-grande-positions-oneohtrix-point-never-trippe-redd-dizzee-rascal

"[Lil Wayne] said... that his diverse fan base shows that racism "does not exist."
(I read this as Lil' Wayne saying, "White people watched minstrel shows, so racism couldn't have ever been a thing."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/295907-lil-wayne-ive-never-dealt-with-racism

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lil-wayne-on-black-lives-matter-what-is-it-110463/
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Watitdo on October 30, 2020, 01:38:07 PM
Damn that sucks lil wayne doesn't believe in climate change :( I don't really listen to his shit anyways
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on October 30, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
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Already getting notices to not expect to hear a result the morning after election day. Thoughts on how long this could draw out?
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Until the supreme court gives him what he wants.

for real. I feel like this last vote, supporting 2 states rights to count mail in votes after 3 Nov, could be a scam to shut people up a bit. I remember Bush V Gore and all that shit, Supreme Court is not an arbiter of fair elections
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Willie on October 31, 2020, 06:44:43 AM
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Already getting notices to not expect to hear a result the morning after election day. Thoughts on how long this could draw out?
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Until the supreme court gives him what he wants.
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for real. I feel like this last vote, supporting 2 states rights to count mail in votes after 3 Nov, could be a scam to shut people up a bit. I remember Bush V Gore and all that shit, Supreme Court is not an arbiter of fair elections


PA and MI (WI?) aren’t permitted to begin processing mail in ballots until Election Day. PA doesn’t have the manpower or infrastructure to process the more than 600,000 ballots expected by the close of Election Day so it will not have a result for several days.

What could happen is that the Trump campaign starts filing lawsuits to gum up the process, strike votes where the signature doesn’t match perfectly, etc. Or maybe Trump says, “hey, I was winning on election night, now Philadelphia is stealing the election. Maybe some real American patriots from upstate should go down and help out [with guns]”.

The whole thing gives me anxiety.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: bumptobar on October 31, 2020, 07:49:46 AM
I'm proud to say ive never voted and never will, statism is slavery. Fuck the government

Its easy to not ever vote when you're barely able to vote - clearly a kid writing this.  Or an adult who has barely progressed passed broke skate rat kid.  You aren't a rebel bud, you are ignorant.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: j....soy..... on October 31, 2020, 07:59:14 AM
There's ones of adult shit which is really hard to do like buy a house, eat oatmeal all the time....but voting is super easy....mail one in or mask the fuck up and get in there....
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 31, 2020, 08:02:08 AM
Maybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.

It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: CorneliusCardew on October 31, 2020, 08:20:09 AM
Both sides are the same. We need to build the party to get out of this hell
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Bumpovertrash on October 31, 2020, 11:31:28 AM
 Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry  yeah were fucked either way .
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on October 31, 2020, 11:39:10 AM
Maybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.

It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?

You seem to understand the facts- the states are most certainly changing regulations within a month before the election with the intention of invalidating votes and confusing voters. The Right establishment very much understands that if the majority of American people are able to vote, the Right will lose official power, hence extreme, partisan, racist voting rules. It's very, very fucked up
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 31, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
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Maybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.

It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?
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You seem to understand the facts- the states are most certainly changing regulations within a month before the election with the intention of invalidating votes and confusing voters. The Right establishment very much understands that if the majority of American people are able to vote, the Right will lose official power, hence extreme, partisan, racist voting rules. It's very, very fucked up

Awful.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on October 31, 2020, 04:03:42 PM
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Maybe I don't fully understand the facts, but why are all these states changing their regulations about mail-in ballots or early voting? It's almost as though there's an intentional confusion to deter voters and make them work harder.

It shouldn't be that hard to let votes come in. Can't a vote just be a vote? Can't a ballot just be accepted?
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You seem to understand the facts- the states are most certainly changing regulations within a month before the election with the intention of invalidating votes and confusing voters. The Right establishment very much understands that if the majority of American people are able to vote, the Right will lose official power, hence extreme, partisan, racist voting rules. It's very, very fucked up
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Awful.

yeah, it's fucked up and quite scary. A caravan of armed Trump supporters in Texas just tried to run Biden/Harris bus off the road, blocking them from getting to a rally. The Biden/Harris group cancelled their appearance due to this intimidation. It's becoming more and more mind bending to see regular Americans carrying long guns in the street as a form of intimidation. I don't know what's going on anymore
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 31, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry  yeah were fucked either way .

Whose mans is this?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on October 31, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
Trump is scum, no doubt. That said, how is Biden in anyway better? Have you seen his history as a politician? He helped author the crime bill that disproportionally put young black men in prisons. I'm supposed to think he's the better option? No thanks. Trump sucks; Biden sucks just as much. The difference between the two is that Biden has a crew of PR people writing down everything he says to not offend easily manipulated people.

I won't be voting for either of those scum bags.
 

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ok boomer on October 31, 2020, 07:38:53 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/3vxwxX4/oldfight.gif) (https://ibb.co/7Q3H3cj)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on October 31, 2020, 07:47:06 PM
Trump is scum, no doubt. That said, how is Biden in anyway better? Have you seen his history as a politician? He helped author the crime bill that disproportionally put young black men in prisons. I'm supposed to think he's the better option? No thanks. Trump sucks; Biden sucks just as much. The difference between the two is that Biden has a crew of PR people writing down everything he says to not offend easily manipulated people.

I won't be voting for either of those scum bags.

Bro, I agree that Biden is pretty damn wack, but man, he's not encouraging race based civil war. He hasn't declared C19 a hoax. He isn't supporting violent fascists. What else is there to say?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on October 31, 2020, 08:46:03 PM
Gibberish

Get the fuck out here with this (false) equivalence bullshit.

This, "they're both bad unless they are both as pure as snow" is bullshit. It is sad way to rationalize not standing up against an obvious corrupt monster who is purposefully destabilizing the United States (and creating policies that will put us all at risk for generations).

Moreover, it is the same as saying, a board with dirty grip is equal to one that is waterlogged, has broken bearings, only has three wheels, has Phantom trucks, and is delaminating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/opinion/trump-republican-party-authoritarianism.html
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-there-are-so-few-moderate-republicans-left/

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: igrindtwinkies on October 31, 2020, 09:17:49 PM
Trump is scum, no doubt. That said, how is Biden in anyway better? Have you seen his history as a politician? He helped author the crime bill that disproportionally put young black men in prisons. I'm supposed to think he's the better option? No thanks. Trump sucks; Biden sucks just as much. The difference between the two is that Biden has a crew of PR people writing down everything he says to not offend easily manipulated people.

I won't be voting for either of those scum bags.

That was over 25 years ago and he has since admitted it was a mistake.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 01, 2020, 03:49:16 AM
Both sides are the same.

You aren't paying enough attention

Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry  yeah were fucked either way .

LOL how is Joe Biden a fucking communist
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 01, 2020, 05:22:17 AM
LOL @ Biden being a “socialist communist”. I wish Biden and  the Democratic Party was as radically left as Republicans think they are. A decade ago Biden would be considered center-right. The problem is the current Republican Party has gone off the rails these past 4 years into full blown Far-Right ideology, that Biden looks “liberal”.

Biden isn’t the ideal candidate (but then again there is no such thing as the perfect politician), but at least Biden is actually qualified for the job, and will appoint a qualified cabinet.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 01, 2020, 07:02:27 AM
Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry  yeah were fucked either way .

A lot of people who don’t really understand these -isms love to throw them around and conflate the two.

Living in a socialist democracy is a lot like living in America except wage disparity is low, healthcare is free for children and astonishingly affordable as an adult*, same for dental care, education is equitable and free, government corruption is kept in check, infrastructure is maintained, and overall quality of life is higher because everyone earns a comfortable living wage and no one gets kicked to the street if they lose their job.

Drawback: you will pay more in taxes, but the net gains on that compared with capitalism skew positive when you consider how much has to be paid out for education, healthcare, etc.


*No, lines aren’t long and you will get expedited depending on severity of your symptoms
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 01, 2020, 07:18:13 AM
It's so amazing to me to still see such wacky opinions when there is a wealth of information literally at your fingertips.

You can learn critical thinking. Unbiased facts can be unearthed.

I know it's easy to look at a meme and believe it. Do you know what they were called when it was in a printed form? Propaganda. Just look at the posters from WWII.

It's much more difficult, but it is also your civic duty as a citizen of your respective country to be knowledgeable enough to know how to make an informed decision. Not uninformed. Not misinformed. From that truly informed opinion, vote for the candidate that aligns the closest.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 01, 2020, 07:36:32 AM
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Socialist comunist left or trumps bigotry  yeah were fucked either way .
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A lot of people who don’t really understand these -isms love to throw them around and conflate the two.

Living in a socialist democracy is a lot like living in America except wage disparity is low, healthcare is free for children and astonishingly affordable as an adult*, same for dental care, education is equitable and free, government corruption is kept in check, infrastructure is maintained, and overall quality of life is higher because everyone earns a comfortable living wage and no one gets kicked to the street if they lose their job.

Drawback: you will pay more in taxes, but the net gains on that compared with capitalism skew positive when you consider how much has to be paid out for education, healthcare, etc.


*No, lines aren’t long and you will get expedited depending on severity of your symptoms
Since most of us are below the $400,000 a year income that Biden is proposing to tax higher (and only the amount exceeding that would be taxed higher), we would not see any higher taxes. I know this is an op-ed piece, but there is a graph showing how much less the wealthiest have been paying less over time as they have gotten richer.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/06/opinion/income-tax-rate-wealthy.html
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 01, 2020, 07:48:56 AM
what's almost hilarious about this election is that some basement dweller on 4chan who made up some pretty far out concepts is now basically a political force.

i doubt that this election will turn out good regardless of who wins. the 2 party system in the us really needs to change.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on November 01, 2020, 03:42:12 PM
https://youtu.be/kn-h78tuNiU
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 02, 2020, 06:48:40 AM
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/nazi-propaganda-poster.html

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 02, 2020, 10:03:15 AM
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/nazi-propaganda-poster.html

So people are scanning wartime propaganda that is not even their work and are allowed to profit from it? naughty capitalism
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 02, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
I bit the bullet and early voted last Friday.

Polling place was right next to the skatepark room which was tight.

That being said, what ever it takes to stop fascism I’m going to do. Last week was voting, this week could possibly be insurrection, depending on tomorrow.

A lot of my family was killed in the Holocaust and we have to make sure that never happens again.


(https://i.ibb.co/d0QdCjm/3-F5-E62-D5-B4-AC-4399-A160-04-D01539-FB4-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d0QdCjm)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 02, 2020, 04:07:41 PM
Play around with this if you want to make yourself sick:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-Electoral-Interactive-Map

I am betting the following:

Trump: Georgia, Florida, North and South Carolina and Arizona.

Biden: Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and...

It comes down to Pennsylvania. Whoever wins PA will win the election which is why both Biden and Trump were in PA today.

Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia  with Kentucky in the middle. The fact that Ohio is looking like a lock for Trump is frightening.

But...I believe Biden will win PA and go on to win 279 to 259.

Trump will win Texas also and the Senate will be split 50:50 to add to the partisanship across the country. Anyone else got a hot take?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: donny2chugs on November 02, 2020, 04:35:05 PM
Play around with this if you want to make yourself sick:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-Electoral-Interactive-Map

I am betting the following:

Trump: Georgia, Florida, North and South Carolina and Arizona.

Biden: Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and...

It comes down to Pennsylvania. Whoever wins PA will win the election which is why both Biden and Trump were in PA today.

Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia  with Kentucky in the middle. The fact that Ohio is looking like a lock for Trump is frightening.

But...I believe Biden will win PA and go on to win 279 to 259.

Trump will win Texas also and the Senate will be split 50:50 to add to the partisanship across the country. Anyone else got a hot take?

I'm going to bet the same way I did in 2016 when I was completely wrong. Biden is going to win by a landslide and take Texas. Democrats will end up with 53 seats in the Senate. The polls will actually underestimate the Biden turnout this time.

I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but the amount of hatred towards Trump seems to be far greater this election, and Biden is much less disliked than Hillary. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 02, 2020, 05:05:59 PM
Here's hoping that America votes out that monster Donald Trump tmrw and begins to right itself.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: slop on November 02, 2020, 11:33:46 PM
I have no idea what is going to happen..

I was so shocked when Trump won last time.
I cant believe even those who did last time around could still support him. but they obviously do.
Will he lose this time? Will he refuse to go if he does? what then??

What will happen if he does win?!
I am worried about the influence and effects he will have on the world if he is in power for another 4 years.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 03, 2020, 03:39:34 AM
I bet on Trump last time...

...I'm relatively confident Trump is going to lose this time around. I have a few right of center family members who are voting Biden (they certainly voted McCain/Palin and get sucked into right wing fear monger and lies on a regular basis). I'm hoping they are representative of a larger shift to Biden (and down ballot Democrats).

I think this shift will be temporary, but I think things will go blue this time around.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mouth on November 03, 2020, 04:31:01 AM
Good luck guys. Hope those of you who haven't voted yet, vote today.

The world is watching.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on November 03, 2020, 04:50:41 AM
I heard they are not handing out "I voted today" stickers.
Can anyone confirm this please, it might be a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ok boomer on November 03, 2020, 05:02:32 AM
I also desire one of those stickers
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 03, 2020, 05:21:43 AM
I also desire one of those stickers

I got a yo vote’ sticker
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Eggie Vedder on November 03, 2020, 06:36:12 AM
https://youtu.be/rDK2chgNPZM

This is a good video for those afraid of adopting some socialism. As an update the US is now 55 on the list for infant mortality. That’s only one statistic. If you look at the UNDP HDI reports we are awful at some pretty basic quality of life stats. I don’t want to get rid of the free market. I think capitalism can truly give the people the power to decide what they want in society but I also want companies and the rich to pay their due taxes and the government to use that money to help improve the life of the people. I can’t afford a tank to fight of other countries so the government provides an army. I can’t afford cancer treatment so I would like my government to provide protection with this too. Public roads and education are socialist ideas but who would say these are bad? They are beneficial to everyone to have a means of movement and basic education.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 03, 2020, 07:44:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsxObHGq8bE

Been quoting this video for a couple years with my gf. Dude just likes to mess with his dad to get him all worked up.

"I aint gotta do nothing but stay black and die."
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Baby on Board on November 03, 2020, 07:44:56 AM
Voted on the last day of early voting here in Texas. I’m cautiously optimistic Biden will win, but it’s getting pretty scary in Houston. Lotta trump trains rolling by the apartment lately. Shit is hectic, but I’m hoping we can push this country forward together.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 03, 2020, 07:49:12 AM
just in time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1MnSQlxy0/)

Wow, DP honestly has more teeth than brain cells
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 03, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
Been seeing more and more MAGA dorks in my area as of late. Lifted trucks and huge "no more bullshit" and "blue lives matter" flags hanging in their beds. Shit is sickening.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 03, 2020, 08:21:44 AM
Portland is all boarded up. National Guard on Stand By. Biden signs were shot up close to my neighborhood the other night. American Democracy in 2020. Here we go.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shucknjive on November 03, 2020, 08:23:57 AM
porTLand

(https://www.ytravelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/things-to-do-in-portland-oregon-with-kids-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 03, 2020, 08:36:23 AM
I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.

This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shucknjive on November 03, 2020, 08:37:35 AM
josh spiceland = protland street k1d
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: donny2chugs on November 03, 2020, 08:43:54 AM
I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.

This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?

Pretty sure the stock market loves him because he made massive corporate tax cuts. He also took away every possible environmental regulation he could that was potentially harming corporations. The stock market loves him, but everything he is doing is short-sighted and, as you suggest, benefits people that are already rich, including himself.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Eggie Vedder on November 03, 2020, 08:52:32 AM
I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.

This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?

The stock market isn’t an indicator of the average American. Wealth inequality continues to rise in the US. Both middle class and lower class average income continues to drop while upper class income continues to rise. Trump is helping the top 5-10%. A lot of republicans still believe in trickle down economics which may have existed at one point but someone like Jeff Bezos has taken more money out of the economy than he could ever spend and put back in. The top tier incomes typically hoard their money over seas so helping them is really just taking money away from everyone else.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 03, 2020, 09:08:28 AM
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?

What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on November 03, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Been seeing more and more MAGA dorks in my area as of late. Lifted trucks and huge "no more bullshit" and "blue lives matter" flags hanging in their beds. Shit is sickening.

I wonder if blue lives will still matter to them if Trump loses and they take to the streets with their assault rifles and their opponents are actually the police...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 03, 2020, 09:24:27 AM
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?

What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?

A lot of these people no longer under the poverty line are working 2-3 jobs to make rent. So, yeah, they aren’t impoverished technically but they are burning themselves out. Nobody should have to do that.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Eggie Vedder on November 03, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?

What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?

Poverty level is a tough statistic to use as it is not adjusted for rise in cost of living. Poverty level has been declining for years before trump to office so it doesn’t really indicate people are better off. It is still based on the cost of meals from 1963 (there is adjustment for inflation but inflation and cost of living are not linear).

I think HDI is a good representation to look at for general welfare. The HDI has continued to grow but not at the rate that is has for other countries. The US is no longer in the top 10 most developed countries. By contrast, we used to sit in the top 5 and now we are 15th. 

For me personally, I am making more now but mainly because I’m older and finished my education. I will say though that I have chronic stomach issues but I cannot afford to figure out the cause. I got a gastroenterostomy and had to pay $2,000 out of pocket to hear that I needed an MRI next which would cost more. So I would be much better off if we had free healthcare and I could get preventative care.

I’m also not down with deregulation that harms the environment and the amount that the trump administration has pumped into coal and fossil fuel. Those industries growing aren’t worth killing the planet.

I feel weird saying so much about politics because I am generally super moderate and politically apathetic   
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?

What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?

Can you send the analysis you are looking at? You are in Slovenia correct?

Interested in what you are seeing.

Keep in mind that economic analysis also has a bias.

I like to follow Paul Krugman even though he has a liberal bias. That is mainly because I was raised in a liberal house much like someone raised as a Catholic and so forth.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Thanks
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on November 03, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
I also desire one of those stickers
No fucking sticker for me.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: heckler on November 03, 2020, 11:12:07 AM
Soho and lots of lower Manhattan is all boarded up. I'm more scared of the NYPD than of any protests on a night like tonight.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 03, 2020, 11:19:13 AM
For the past 9.5 years my job has been probably the one job where you are in most contact with people in poverty and seeing first hand their situation/finances. I haven't noticed any change besides when I first started in 2011 and the economy was still fucked, that was gnarly how busy we were, but by around 2014 that phase was kind of gone. From my perspective things have not changed in that time. I don't have a bunch of people who now have great jobs. It's the same shit. Actually things will be slightly worse because new requirements have been put in place for people who need assistance. The only reason it hasn't had as much of an effect is because when everything happened this year they put in place a lot of waivers because they had no choice. Those are still set to take effect here soon but they have been extending waivers.

The only reason I am doing any better is because I get annual raises and moved home because it was too hard to make it on my own. Nothing the president has done has made it better for people in need, at least from my view as a "1st line worker" for that kind of thing. More hurdles have actually been added and the only reason they haven't played out is because the pandemic keeps putting the changes out a couple months.

When I'm finally out of this job in a few days I can talk more openly/directly about all that.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: masturskater on November 03, 2020, 11:50:51 AM
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I also desire one of those stickers
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No fucking sticker for me.
No sticker but got a tiny pen with my ballot. Tiny pen was mine to keep and says "I voted" on it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 03, 2020, 12:09:51 PM
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Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?

What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?
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Can you send the analysis you are looking at? You are in Slovenia correct?

Interested in what you are seeing.

Keep in mind that economic analysis also has a bias.

I like to follow Paul Krugman even though he has a liberal bias. That is mainly because I was raised in a liberal house much like someone raised as a Catholic and so forth.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Thanks

Today, I found this on google:
https://qz.com/1907578/us-president-donald-trumps-economic-record-in-13-charts/

But it just rehashes the same indicators that I've seen across traditional media that trump would like to discredit.

Have to say that working multiple jobs is "unheard of" (not really, but it is very unusual) here in Slovenia. Thanks for the replies form the frontline, because I don't really see these positions in the media with a good statistical data representation.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 03, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
I've been looking at a lot of trump presidency economic analysis these past few days and it seems that before the pandemic, the usa were doing very well in economic terms. I've read that a new presidents reaps the benefits of his predecessor for a year (or even three) into his term, but still, by all accounts business was apparently booming.

This really goes against everything else I've read online in that period, so my only guess is that these economic gains were very badly distributed. I fully agree that trump is nothing more than a narcissistic piece of frozen diarrhea, but the stock market etc. loved him. Someone from the states cares to explain?

It seems, most economic trends just continued on as they were under the Obama administration. I think people believe there has been change because this free-market ideology (and subservience to and worship of the "job creators") has become "common sense."

The real question is did cutting taxes for the ultra wealthy, increasing pollution, reducing workers' rights, etc. need to be done to keep the "economy" moving or was this just simple class warfare against workers (and generational warfare against the young who will pay the bills for this bullshit and suffer from no having no rights as workers)?

(https://i.ibb.co/LN3SpK3/Screen-Shot-2020-11-03-at-2-59-02-PM.png)

Today, I found this on google:
https://qz.com/1907578/us-president-donald-trumps-economic-record-in-13-charts/

But it just rehashes the same indicators that I've seen across traditional media that trump would like to discredit.

Have to say that working multiple jobs is "unheard of" (not really, but it is very unusual) here in Slovenia. Thanks for the replies form the frontline, because I don't really see these positions in the media with a good statistical data representation.
I wonder if farm income went up because of all the subsidies we've given to farmers recently or because there has actually been an increase in sales/profit (the tariffs war with China opened up a huge part of the agricultural market to Brazil. Trump Brazil a huge favor.)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on November 03, 2020, 02:21:23 PM
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I also desire one of those stickers
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No fucking sticker for me.
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No sticker but got a tiny pen with my ballot. Tiny pen was mine to keep and says "I voted" on it.
I hope your tiny PEN IS something that brings you great joy for years to come!   ;)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 03, 2020, 05:49:47 PM
WHO IS WATCHING? NAIL BITING!!!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on November 03, 2020, 05:59:18 PM
WHO IS WATCHING? NAIL BITING!!!

i wouldn't say i'm watching. i just can't look away.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2020, 06:01:16 PM
I’m here. Won’t be sleeping much tonight.

If we get 4 more years of Trump I can’t wake up to that.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 03, 2020, 06:09:20 PM
For the past 9.5 years my job has been probably the one job where you are in most contact with people in poverty and seeing first hand their situation/finances. I haven't noticed any change besides when I first started in 2011 and the economy was still fucked, that was gnarly how busy we were, but by around 2014 that phase was kind of gone. From my perspective things have not changed in that time. I don't have a bunch of people who now have great jobs. It's the same shit. Actually things will be slightly worse because new requirements have been put in place for people who need assistance. The only reason it hasn't had as much of an effect is because when everything happened this year they put in place a lot of waivers because they had no choice. Those are still set to take effect here soon but they have been extending waivers.

The only reason I am doing any better is because I get annual raises and moved home because it was too hard to make it on my own. Nothing the president has done has made it better for people in need, at least from my view as a "1st line worker" for that kind of thing. More hurdles have actually been added and the only reason they haven't played out is because the pandemic keeps putting the changes out a couple months.

When I'm finally out of this job in a few days I can talk more openly/directly about all that.

also a social worker?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 03, 2020, 06:35:15 PM
You guys watching msnbc? CBS? Fox? CNN? Twitter?  Not trying to get wrapped up in every little early report but curious.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ok boomer on November 03, 2020, 06:38:19 PM
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I also desire one of those stickers
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No fucking sticker for me.
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No sticker but got a tiny pen with my ballot. Tiny pen was mine to keep and says "I voted" on it.

I took 2 stickers when offered and had my 6 year old wear one out on the town.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JB77 on November 03, 2020, 06:54:41 PM
NC checking in:  We’ve bitten off all our fingernails at this point.  Starting on the toes...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Nosferatu on November 03, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
You guys watching msnbc? CBS? Fox? CNN? Twitter?  Not trying to get wrapped up in every little early report but curious.

I've got CNN, Fox, and Chapo Trap House Twitch feed up

NC checking in:  We’ve bitten off all our fingernails at this point.  Starting on the toes...

Y'all done fucked up.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 03, 2020, 07:45:43 PM
Joes got him yeah?
Sure looks that way of a quick google?

Edit
Wtf cunt
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 03, 2020, 07:58:24 PM
Shout out to counties!




Get those votes in.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: augustmoon on November 03, 2020, 08:08:59 PM
so many mail in/early votes, i don't think we're going to know a winner for a few days. 

my prediction:  its close and it goes to Biden, Trump steals it with the Supreme court
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: childhood on November 03, 2020, 08:16:13 PM
lol yeah also watching the Chapo twitch, Amber is on now. Whoever they just had on doing a Trump impression was super funny.

Is Trump really gonna win again? Jesus.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 03, 2020, 08:22:29 PM
Well shit, I didn't see this coming.

I'm amazed how many Americans really love the idea of fascism. Good luck. The next four years are going to fucking crazy. And, Don Jr. 2024 will be even better.

2020 sucks, what did we expect? Good news?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Watitdo on November 03, 2020, 08:24:50 PM
America as a country sucks so fucking much. All I can think about tonight is how much I love my people or lots of people in general, you know who you are, we just stick together and pray and get through this shit. When it's over we still got eachother.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 03, 2020, 08:27:00 PM
When are people going to learn democracy doesn’t work

Keep your fucking pants on it’s a Simpson’s quote
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 03, 2020, 08:31:24 PM
where y'all seeing that trump has this in the bag?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: rawr1922 on November 03, 2020, 08:34:05 PM
where y'all seeing that trump has this in the bag?


 Do the math on the swing states. If trends stay the same..he won
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: CossRooper on November 03, 2020, 08:35:06 PM
where y'all seeing that trump has this in the bag?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-president.html

Even though the numbers for Biden look good so far, as of 1130pm EST, for all of the toss up/swing states, it is trending like Trump will take them, especially FL and TX. I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 03, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
Well shit, I didn't see this coming.

I'm amazed how many Americans really love the idea of fascism. Good luck. The next four years are going to fucking crazy. And, Don Jr. 2024 will be even better.

2020 sucks, what did we expect? Good news?

Don’t lose hope yet. Looks like we may pick up AZ and a senate seat.

It sounds like the vote tallies are coming in from same day vote. I wonder if the plan all along was to get the same day votes in and call it before all the mail in ballots are counted.

Don’t believe anything Trump has his hand in.

Keep hope alive...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sidewalk Funk. on November 03, 2020, 08:37:49 PM
Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell re-elected? That Madison Cawthorn kid won too? My God man...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 03, 2020, 08:48:17 PM
I can't fucking believe Mitch was elected again....Kentucky, go fuck yourself (no offense to fellow Kentuckians who hate Mitch)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 03, 2020, 08:56:51 PM
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Well shit, I didn't see this coming.

I'm amazed how many Americans really love the idea of fascism. Good luck. The next four years are going to fucking crazy. And, Don Jr. 2024 will be even better.

2020 sucks, what did we expect? Good news?
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Don’t lose hope yet. Looks like we may pick up AZ and a senate seat.

It sounds like the vote tallies are coming in from same day vote. I wonder if the plan all along was to get the same day votes in and call it before all the mail in ballots are counted.

Don’t believe anything Trump has his hand in.

Keep hope alive...

that's what I'm saying. There are unprecedented numbers of mail in and early ballots cast, and I don't know that they've been counted yet. This election is unprecedented in that regard- it cannot be called tonight.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on November 03, 2020, 09:07:14 PM
ErikEllingtonWe’reGettingFuckedUpTonightbutNotinaFunWay.jpg
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Dirk_Diggler on November 03, 2020, 09:11:02 PM
Shout out to NJ for legalizing weed!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 03, 2020, 09:13:35 PM
This shit is depressing. I really hope the Midwest and South secede.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: CossRooper on November 03, 2020, 09:16:53 PM
Shout out to NJ for legalizing weed!

This! Whatever happens in the presidential race, 4 states legalizing recreational use is pretty rad and is something to be positive about and huge progress. Totally slipped under my radar.

https://mjbizdaily.com/marijuana-election-results-2020/
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 03, 2020, 09:19:18 PM
This fucker is going to lose the popular election again, but still win the fucking presidency. All the recent COVID hotspots gave him the election, so the whole country can go down in flames with them.

(https://i.ibb.co/FwG4ywZ/Screen-Shot-2020-11-04-at-12-15-30-AM.png)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ok boomer on November 03, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
I'm not on social media so posting my sticker here

(https://i.ibb.co/V3RM43c/20201103-181425.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fQfrwQz)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 03, 2020, 09:48:01 PM
I thought the votes weren’t going to be fully counted until tomorrow night, how are we so sure about this

I have no faith that Biden can make up his deficit in the Rust Belt.

Biden says he is on track to win, I don't see how we get there, unless mail in ballots are counted last. Or, we find Trump's USPS crony stashed a bunch of ballots in the basement (which would take more thought/planning than a Trump appointee is capable of).

(https://i.ibb.co/LhRKKHY/Screen-Shot-2020-11-04-at-12-46-16-AM.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/CPFpMKc/Screen-Shot-2020-11-04-at-12-45-27-AM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kwchkqm/Screen-Shot-2020-11-04-at-12-45-35-AM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/KXhgmqP/Screen-Shot-2020-11-04-at-12-45-43-AM.png)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: L33Tg33k on November 03, 2020, 09:53:24 PM
Fuck everything. Fuck this fucking idiocracy. Trump is currently winning and still complaining about the dems trying to steal it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: noahch on November 03, 2020, 09:56:20 PM
My main concern is that we have no context as to how votes are being counted - are Election Day in-person counted first? Early in-person? Mail-in?

It has to differ state to state but I wish we were given insight into these processes due to the record number of early / mail-in votes. Pipe dream, I suppose. Anyone have any insight? I am aware Michigan explicitly stated on their website that it could take up until EOW for them to finish counting.




Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mesteezo on November 03, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WH8mHJnhM

Fucking flyover states
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 03, 2020, 10:04:16 PM
we’re just gonna send it
- seppos
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 03, 2020, 10:11:31 PM
well its looking like trumps gonna win it.

fuck. this .shit

im moving to europe
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mongoloid on November 03, 2020, 10:13:58 PM
I wish New England would pack it up and give a healthy hearty “go fuck your self” to the rest of the states.

All those welfare states full of obese inbred braindead fucktards can figure it out for themselves. Not on our dime! See how long you last with your caveman belief system, and lack of economic self sustainability.

Talk about shooting your self in your gangrenous diabetic foot to spite the other half. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 03, 2020, 10:16:34 PM
I feel sick.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 03, 2020, 10:22:28 PM
The thing that's extra depressing is that after finding out for certain these last four years how big of a piece of shit Trump is, people seem to be voting for him by an even bigger margin this time.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 03, 2020, 10:22:50 PM
My understanding is the majority of the swing states that are still up in the air have mostly absentee ballots left to count, which will likely skew Democrat.

It's called a "Red Mirage"

So I still have a lot of faith that Joe Biden can eek out a W.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 03, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
My understanding is the majority of the swing states that are still up in the air have mostly absentee ballots left to count, which will likely skew Democrat.

So I still have a lot of faith that Joe Biden can eek out a W.
don’t get your hopes up. Really sucks the best the democrats could come up with is joe, pretty fucked up
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: augustmoon on November 03, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
My prediction;  Biden will win the electoral college with mail in/absentee votes.  Trump will challenge this, and Use the Supreme Court to invalidate votes.  Chaos will ensue. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 03, 2020, 10:36:45 PM
The thing that's extra depressing is that after finding out for certain these last four years how big of a piece of shit Trump is, people seem to be voting for him by an even bigger margin this time.

ikr

i give a lot of people who voted for trump in 2016 a pass because

1. hillary is donkey brained / corrupt

2. a lot of people were/are tired of politicians and PC culture

3. the "he's a good businessman" excuse

but this time around. nope. if u voted for trump u are less than human to me. its sad that more than half of america are either seriously stupid and uneducated, inbred, racist, pro fascism, sexist, or all of the above

my grandparent who have voted red their entire lives are voting blue this election. that says something IMO
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 03, 2020, 10:42:12 PM
My prediction;  Biden will win the electoral college with mail in/absentee votes.  Trump will challenge this, and Use the Supreme Court to invalidate votes.  Chaos will ensue.

i was thinking about this earlier as well.

trump has FILLED the supreme court with his goons

Amy coney barret is as fucked as it gets.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 03, 2020, 10:44:50 PM
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ikr

i give a lot of people who voted for trump in 2016 a pass because

1. hillary is donkey brained / corrupt

2. a lot of people were/are tired of politicians and PC culture

3. the "he's a good businessman" excuse

but this time around. nope. if u voted for trump u are less than human to me. its sad that more than half of america are either seriously stupid and uneducated, inbred, racist, pro fascism, sexist, or all of the above

my grandparent who have voted red their entire lives are voting blue this election. that says something IMO
dude how old are you to just be figuring this out
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 03, 2020, 10:50:41 PM
In Pennsylvania, 25% of the absentee/early vote is in. In Michigan, 20% of the absentee/early vote is in. And in Wisconsin, 0% of absentee/early vote is in. The election won't be called tonight.

Also tonight is another example that preliminary polls are always and will forever be bullshit and don't reflect reality.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 03, 2020, 10:55:50 PM
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The thing that's extra depressing is that after finding out for certain these last four years how big of a piece of shit Trump is, people seem to be voting for him by an even bigger margin this time.
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ikr

i give a lot of people who voted for trump in 2016 a pass because

1. hillary is donkey brained / corrupt

2. a lot of people were/are tired of politicians and PC culture

3. the "he's a good businessman" excuse

but this time around. nope. if u voted for trump u are less than human to me. its sad that more than half of america are either seriously stupid and uneducated, inbred, racist, pro fascism, sexist, or all of the above

my grandparent who have voted red their entire lives are voting blue this election. that says something IMO
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dude how old are you to just be figuring this out

silly old me for thinking our country was making progress in 2008-16.

i just find it sad that all i listed above is the social norm now.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 03, 2020, 10:58:38 PM
Things are not looking good for Kanye West.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 03, 2020, 11:01:51 PM
Things are not looking good for Kanye West.

Never heard of him
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: augustmoon on November 03, 2020, 11:03:29 PM
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My prediction;  Biden will win the electoral college with mail in/absentee votes.  Trump will challenge this, and Use the Supreme Court to invalidate votes.  Chaos will ensue.
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i was thinking about this earlier as well.

trump has FILLED the supreme court with his goons

Amy coney barret is as fucked as it gets.
. Trump is already tweeting about dems “stealing votes”.  He’s scared because he knows those votes are not for him, and he’s setting the stage to steal the election. 

I think Biden will eke out the win, but it should never have been as close as it is.  Biden needed a landslide to remove any doubt and to not give them a reason to claim fraud.  If Biden somehow takes office he’ll be plagued by this his entire tenure and right/left tensions and gridlock will only get worse
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on November 03, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
silly old me for thinking our country was making progress in 2008-16.

you fell for marketing, that guy didn't do shit
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 03, 2020, 11:18:41 PM
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silly old me for thinking our country was making progress in 2008-16.
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you fell for marketing, that guy didn't do shit

sucks to admit it, but ur right
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on November 03, 2020, 11:23:12 PM
i fell for it too dude. i was 21 in 2008 and 100% gung-ho for obama... i'm so incredibly jaded politically now.

the thing that pisses me off most about biden as a candidate is his connection to obama - they wanted to get the first black guy elected, but they needed the most republican-ass VP so they would have a chance of swinging undecided or republican-leaning voters. and now we are stuck with him as our "liberal hope" or whatever
(https://i.redd.it/k01yylaz4z111.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 03, 2020, 11:34:23 PM
i was 21 in 2008 and 100% gung-ho for the guy... i'm so incredibly jaded politically now lol

Creed your mouth called, your breath stinks.

(https://i.gifer.com/6j72.gif)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shouldn't on November 03, 2020, 11:40:11 PM
in pennseylvania the mail in votes are counted last which are supposedly expected to be mostly biden votes. i don’t know how much hope that leaves but, we’ll see.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 03, 2020, 11:45:58 PM
I hope you guys are stocked up on water and toilet paper because the shit is about to hit the fan in this country big time
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 03, 2020, 11:48:05 PM
Fascism...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 03, 2020, 11:51:04 PM
I wish trump would only be America's problem, but his political style is being imitated worldwide and with quite some success. Anyone can now plant the seeds of doubt on any media piece if it does not suit them and it all makes for deeply divided societies.

But above all, he is acting like a certified lunatic and apparently that is not enough to vote somebody out. If he does get reelected, he will become very popular, since culling the population of the weak via the pandemic will surely boost the economy in the years to come. By then, the losses will be forgotten, since there is a new scandal coming from him everyday.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 03, 2020, 11:52:12 PM
I hope you guys are stocked up on water and toilet paper because the shit is about to hit the fan in this country big time

never owned a gun in my life, but for the first time, i am seriously considering buying one.

am i too paranoid ? fuck idek anymore

i used to think the people on dooms day preppers were insane, but they're not looking so crazy anymore.

gonna be a wild next couple of weeks thats for sure
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 03, 2020, 11:53:37 PM
I want this nightmare to be over so bad. I still have hope. I don't think America is spiraling into a civil war type situation just yet but sometimes it sure does seem to lean that way
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 04, 2020, 12:51:56 AM
I wish trump would only be America's problem, but his political style is being imitated worldwide and with quite some success. Anyone can now plant the seeds of doubt on any media piece if it does not suit them and it all makes for deeply divided societies.

But above all, he is acting like a certified lunatic and apparently that is not enough to vote somebody out. If he does get reelected, he will become very popular, since culling the population of the weak via the pandemic will surely boost the economy in the years to come. By then, the losses will be forgotten, since there is a new scandal coming from him everyday.

Karma is a bitch.  I fully trust divine intervention.  The truth always comes out and this man draft dodger always tries to hide the truth.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 04, 2020, 03:08:49 AM
Well shit, Biden is now in lead in Wisconsin... this fucker needs to get a wave of blue mail in ballots in Penn as well.

America can't have another fucking red victory with a minority of the votes. This especially true with house and senate, we need adults to run the show at least for a few years.

Biden probably got AZ, which I never thought possible, so he needs fucking Penn. (He had a solid lead in the polls, fivethirtyeight had him winning Penn. pretty much for sure.)

Edit: NYTimes has Trump currently in the lead for Georgia but they are predicting the state for Biden (64% chance). Fucking Atlanta and Philly need to pull through.

Edit: If Biden keeps pace with the mail in ballots in Penn, he can win. See: The Remaining Vote in Pennsylvania Appears to Be Overwhelmingly for Biden https://nyti.ms/3epASym

And he's caught up in Michigan 49.4R v 48.9D with 16% of the ballots left to be counted.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 04, 2020, 03:12:10 AM
Philly and Detroit need to come through bigly.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 04, 2020, 03:19:20 AM
All roads lead to PA.

Since it looks like Biden will win NV and hopefully WI he does not even need MI because he picked up AZ which I didn’t expect.

A Biden win in PA will give him 273 for the win.

PA has democratic leadership so all votes will be counted.

I understand @augustmoon concerns about the Supreme Court deciding the election but those individuals that Trump nominated don’t need him anymore and will be on the court long after he is dead and gone, so I doubt they want the stain of selecting the president on their resume.

I am feeling good, not great, about where Democrats stand.

Be patient fellow never Trumpers...

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 04, 2020, 03:58:23 AM
If we wins nv and wi doesn’t he just need mi for 270
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: heckler on November 04, 2020, 04:29:10 AM
I can't fucking believe Mitch was elected again....Kentucky, go fuck yourself (no offense to fellow Kentuckians who hate Mitch)
Dems put tens of millions of dollars into propping up an unpopular, pro-Trump candidate to run against Mitch and proceeded to light it all on fire when she predictably lost by double digits. I hate this place.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: camel filters on November 04, 2020, 04:54:22 AM
Jesus I don't think I can handle hearing "very," "the best," "Gina," "millions and millions" in every speech for another 4 years...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 04, 2020, 05:22:57 AM
Gina?

Do you mean Gino? Is 45 a Gino stan?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: childhood on November 04, 2020, 05:32:00 AM
Like the great Ianucci, the skater, he was a diva, he was the greatest of all divas, incredible talent with the most unbelievable style. I've gone to demoes where he would go "no no no no, I do not feel good, I will not skate today", and he'd leave. And then I've gone to some where it was the most unbelievable style that ever lived. The greatest right? Ianucci. But he liked me for whatever reason. He was very terrible to other people, but to me he was very nice.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: camel filters on November 04, 2020, 05:33:03 AM
Gina?

Do you mean Gino? Is 45 a Gino stan?
As in "China" but with Trump's dumb as fuck stank to it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: coyote2425 on November 04, 2020, 06:08:00 AM
Trying to stay cautiously optimistic, but I know there's a long way to go.

It's confounding to me that it's this close after four years of daily chaos.

Who are we?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 04, 2020, 06:24:25 AM
Like the great Ianucci, the skater, he was a diva, he was the greatest of all divas, incredible talent with the most unbelievable style. I've gone to demoes where he would go "no no no no, I do not feel good, I will not skate today", and he'd leave. And then I've gone to some where it was the most unbelievable style that ever lived. The greatest right? Ianucci. But he liked me for whatever reason. He was very terrible to other people, but to me he was very nice.

Did he write you love letters?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 04, 2020, 06:38:19 AM
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Gina?

Do you mean Gino? Is 45 a Gino stan?
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As in "China" but with Trump's dumb as fuck stank to it.
Ahahahahaha I hear it now.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: childhood on November 04, 2020, 06:41:00 AM
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Like the great Ianucci, the skater, he was a diva, he was the greatest of all divas, incredible talent with the most unbelievable style. I've gone to demoes where he would go "no no no no, I do not feel good, I will not skate today", and he'd leave. And then I've gone to some where it was the most unbelievable style that ever lived. The greatest right? Ianucci. But he liked me for whatever reason. He was very terrible to other people, but to me he was very nice.
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Did he write you love letters?

It's like verbatim what Trump said about Luciano Pavarotti a few days ago
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1322955956712517633
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 04, 2020, 06:49:44 AM
Quote
Luciano Pavarotti on a treadmill,
Not going nowhere slim chance we will,
- Jimmy Pop
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on November 04, 2020, 06:51:34 AM
Things aren’t looking too bad for Biden at the moment. Finally have the lead in Michigan
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Miller92 on November 04, 2020, 07:00:58 AM
Seems as though Biden will probably (hopefully) pull out a victory with AZ, NV, WI, MI and Maine's appropriated 3 votes.  So essentially he can lose PA and still win it if he holds the mentioned.  He's also close in GA where they haven't counted all the metro Atlanta mail-in votes and the same in NC with some mail-in votes there.

Either way, the Dems losing so many close and hopeful senate seats hurt like a fucking gut punch.  McConnell will still be in charge of the senate which is in some ways much worse than even a Trump second term.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on November 04, 2020, 07:07:28 AM
Seems as though Biden will probably (hopefully) pull out a victory with AZ, NV, WI, MI and Maine's appropriated 3 votes.  So essentially he can lose PA and still win it if he holds the mentioned.  He's also close in GA where they haven't counted all the metro Atlanta mail-in votes and the same in NC with some mail-in votes there.


Either way, the Dems losing so many close and hopeful senate seats hurt like a fucking gut punch.  McConnell will still be in charge of the senate which is in some ways much worse than even a Trump second term.

I want to punch that turtle looking motherfucker right in the face and throw him into a vat of coronavirus
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 04, 2020, 07:19:52 AM
All roads lead to PA.

Since it looks like Biden will win NV and hopefully WI he does not even need MI because he picked up AZ which I didn’t expect.

A Biden win in PA will give him 273 for the win.

PA has democratic leadership so all votes will be counted.

I understand @augustmoon concerns about the Supreme Court deciding the election but those individuals that Trump nominated don’t need him anymore and will be on the court long after he is dead and gone, so I doubt they want the stain of selecting the president on their resume.

I am feeling good, not great, about where Democrats stand.

Be patient fellow never Trumpers...

I've thought the same thing about the SC and the Republican Party, that they don't need him anymore. I wonder if it's too optimistic.

Goddamn. Wake up and talk this shit. Love to you all. Go skate and stay level homies
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Manolo on November 04, 2020, 07:46:49 AM
I can't believe half of america is voting for Trump, this is scary and embarassing. If he wins again his ego is gonna go full Hitler.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: straight on November 04, 2020, 08:00:39 AM
I can't believe half of america is voting for Trump, this is scary and embarassing. If he wins again his ego is gonna go full Hitler.

half of the population doesn’t show up to vote, so only a quarter of america voted for trump
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 04, 2020, 08:04:14 AM
Disgusted this is even this close.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 08:09:41 AM
If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 04, 2020, 08:24:39 AM
Possibly.

If he takes this to the courts, he's only got until January 21.

https://trumpslastday012021.com/

Once he loses the power of the presidency, all the legal matters that were put on hold with that authority, will be once again be knocking on his door.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 04, 2020, 08:29:40 AM
Can’t wait for this motherfucker to try to invalidate individual ballots.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Manolo on November 04, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
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I can't believe half of america is voting for Trump, this is scary and embarassing. If he wins again his ego is gonna go full Hitler.
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half of the population doesn’t show up to vote, so only a quarter of america voted for trump

I guess but that's still a insane amount of people. How idiotic do you have to be to support this guy? it's unreal.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 09:23:03 AM
Gotta love how Trump told his supporters to not vote by mail and go to the polls. and now him and his supporters are confused on why Biden is winning 70-90% of mail in votes.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 04, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Ok, so someone can check my math... but, based on rough numbers and some 8th grade algebra (that I may or may not remember how to do properly), I think Biden needs 820,342 votes out of the 1,155,412 that are still up for grabs in Penn.

This means he needs 71% of the mail in ballots to be for him... it seems, from huge bias in dems sending in mail in ballots and reps going in person, that this is possible, right?

Edit: This was done an hour ago, and they found Biden needed 77% of the remaining votes. So, if my math isn't shitty it means Biden is on the right track.
And, it seems, if Biden can hold on to Michigan and Wisconsin he doesn't need Penn (but holy shit, he needs Penn to make so I can breathe).
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-election-results-trump-biden-mail-ballots-blue-shift-20201104.html
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 04, 2020, 09:54:57 AM
Ok, so someone can check my math... but, based on rough numbers and some 8th grade algebra (that I may or may not remember how to do properly), I think Biden needs 820,342 votes out of the 1,155,412 that are still up for grabs in Penn.

This means he needs 71% of the mail in ballots to be for him... it seems, from huge bias in dems sending in mail in ballots and reps going in person, that this is possible, right?
Pa saw a record voter turnout so I really hope you’re right.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 04, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
Man. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 10:39:27 AM
my girlfriend doesn't understand why i'm laughing so hard at this

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El28I6GX0AIa_rV?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 04, 2020, 10:41:08 AM
If Biden gets NV, WI, MI, which he is leading all of at the moment, he will be 270 even.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: notmikerusczyk on November 04, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
my girlfriend doesn't understand why i'm laughing so hard at this

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El28I6GX0AIa_rV?format=jpg&name=900x900)
thank you
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 04, 2020, 11:06:16 AM
All this math and lack of sleep has my head hurting
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Gnarfunkell on November 04, 2020, 11:14:00 AM
Man. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.

Same dude, same. I was an absolute wreck yesterday.

It didn't help that an old coworker reached out to me because he saw I'm out of a job, and where he works now wants me to begin ASAP. I'm grateful, but also super nervous about jumping into a new job so fast.

My braaaaaain
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 04, 2020, 11:20:37 AM
[url]https://youtu.be/WkZ5e94QnWk/url]

some levity for the day
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Beeda Weeda on November 04, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
my girlfriend doesn't understand why i'm laughing so hard at this

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El28I6GX0AIa_rV?format=jpg&name=900x900)
AMAZING.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Fongstarr. on November 04, 2020, 11:56:41 AM
If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.
I thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?

Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Beeda Weeda on November 04, 2020, 11:59:34 AM
trump told them biden was going socialist, a lot of Cubans and Venezuelans live in fear of socialism/communism.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 04, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
they are also very conservative and religious and choose republican. on top of that they look down on new immigrants, especially the one's seeking asylum or crossing illegaly
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: PeanutGallery on November 04, 2020, 12:38:53 PM
they are also very conservative and religious and choose republican. on top of that they look down on new immigrants, especially the one's seeking asylum or crossing illegaly

Spot on.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 04, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
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If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.
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I thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?

Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.

It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.

Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever.  Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)

Can I read? Yes

Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!

Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.

People are stupid, brown pride fool.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mesteezo on November 04, 2020, 12:42:03 PM
The Trump supporting Mexicans I've come across always have a weird vibe to them, and then when you find out they support Trump it doesn't come off as surprising.

My uncle and his daughter are one of those. They've always been weird and looked down on other lower class Mexicans, especially the ones that come here illegally. I think they just want to blend in with white folks because they sure don't give a shit about their culture.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 04, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
The Trump supporting Mexicans I've come across always have a weird vibe to them, and then when you find out they support Trump it doesn't come off as surprising.

My uncle and his daughter are one of those. They've always been weird and looked down on other lower class Mexicans, especially the ones that come here illegally. I think they just want to blend in with white folks because they sure don't give a shit about their culture.

If I had family like that I’d be talking so much shit. Nothing  worse than being a snob

I’ve been going with Californian for almost two decades now, it’s easier for people even tho it’s something I made up.

Don’t lump me in with any side of anything and what the fuck does it matter where someone came from? We’re ALL trying to survive on the blue marble when it comes down to it


Edit:(https://preview.redd.it/u7tanvke57g41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=51828b776ee9c8d105545211d8cff08145523c0e)
Brianna Ruffalo on ABC tho
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 04, 2020, 01:07:49 PM
trump told them biden was going socialist, a lot of Cubans and Venezuelans live in fear of socialism/communism.

exactly. it's similar, to what I've read anyways, about the older Vietnamese and Cambodian populations in the states
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 04, 2020, 01:11:25 PM
Got a cousin posting on Facebook talking about how the Democrats are cheating and there’s been more Wisconsin votes than registered voters. I knew trump shitting on mail in voting would work but seeing it in real life is mind blowing. He also noted this should be expected from people willing to kill babies. Never mind the ones being sexually assaulted and left in cages at the border.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: straight on November 04, 2020, 01:16:41 PM
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If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.
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I thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?

Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.
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It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.

Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever.  Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)

Can I read? Yes

Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!

Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.

People are stupid, brown pride fool.

historically, mexicans are indigenous .. couldn’t tell if you were being serious or if it was satire
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mongoloid on November 04, 2020, 01:24:43 PM
Man. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.

Hang in there brother, I’ve felt sick to my stomach all damn day. I’m still not optimistic, but the fact That it’s even this close is depressing.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 04, 2020, 01:29:16 PM
Biden just delivered a speech and is confident that he won and I pretty much 95% believe him. It's currently 253 for Biden with one flip state to take the 270.

Anyone else really annoyed at this delay? Of course unprecedented voting records were achieved during this race and that was sure to slow the counting down but come on, it's not like we had every indication that was going to happen. This country is so laughingly badly prepared for everything that comes our way.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 04, 2020, 01:33:06 PM
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If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.
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I thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?

Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.
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It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.

Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever.  Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)

Can I read? Yes

Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!

Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.

People are stupid, brown pride fool.
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historically, mexicans are indigenous .. couldn’t tell if you were being serious or if it was satire


I understand that Mexicans are indigenous. It doesn’t change the labels of people because you say so. I’m brown according to white people but in reality I’m not. It wasn’t meant to be funny. It’s an example of how stupid labels of people in this country are. You can shit on someone all day for being Mexican even if indigenously they aren’t. I gave you personal examples my childhood/life as a bartender in Simi Valley CA

You should tell a Mexican he’s not Mexican because he’s not indigenous. They’re usually the big tall ones you’re probably scared of


My families been Mexican since they won independence from Spain just like the English became American after winning their independence from England
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: coyote2425 on November 04, 2020, 01:45:20 PM
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Man. I had a bit of a meltdown last night. I hope I was wrong about this election.
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Hang in there brother, I’ve felt sick to my stomach all damn day. I’m still not optimistic, but the fact That it’s even this close is depressing.

I've been feeling better throughout the day (looking at you Wisconsin/Michigan), hangover notwithstanding.

If he wins the West, he wins the rest.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 04, 2020, 01:49:32 PM
Got a cousin posting on Facebook talking about how the Democrats are cheating and there’s been more Wisconsin votes than registered voters. I knew trump shitting on mail in voting would work but seeing it in real life is mind blowing. He also noted this should be expected from people willing to kill babies. Never mind the ones being sexually assaulted and left in cages at the border.

Is he from Ocean County NJ.

I got a brother in law who told us people are asking for their ballots back once they found out about Hunter Biden’s lap top.

My brother in law is a great dude but he is as brain washed as DP.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 04, 2020, 02:02:55 PM
watching eric trump and rudy giuliani talking about how crooked the ballot is, is a pretty hilarious experience.

something something snowflake
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Baby on Board on November 04, 2020, 02:05:58 PM
This shit is still wild. I woke up at 3am last night after having a fever dream that I checked the news and saw trump won. Woke up and Had to triple check to make sure it wasn’t true. Been doing it all day. God this is excruciating ...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on November 04, 2020, 02:08:57 PM
What’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 04, 2020, 02:14:51 PM
What’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?

Where are you seeing that?

Here is the link I am using for on the ground protests currently happening: https://www.twitch.tv/intlmedia
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on November 04, 2020, 02:17:43 PM
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What’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?
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Where are you seeing that?

Here is the link I am using for on the ground protests currently happening: https://www.twitch.tv/intlmedia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/6164715002
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 04, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNUqNe0U5g
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 04, 2020, 02:28:36 PM
Oh wow. Not the first and won’t be the last..

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1324098069445660674?s=21
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on November 04, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
Oh wow. Not the first and won’t be the last..

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1324098069445660674?s=21

Woah!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 02:35:09 PM
https://twitter.com/hyckai/status/1323627097546461184

this sounds like terrorism to me....
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: camel filters on November 04, 2020, 02:35:23 PM
Wouldn't Biden win Michigan for sure if they stopped the count? Why would MAGA protestors want that?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 04, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Fuck, I can't believe this is even close.

Biden is hanging on in Nevada but barely, he is up in Arizona but not comfortably, Georgia looks out of reach, Penn seems to be making zero progress counting their ballots, but Biden is closing the gap (he needs to close this gap faster), and NC is obviously going Confederate.

Fuck everyone who sat on the sidelines. Fuck all the Confederate flag waving pieces of shit, and fuck all the "law and order" bootlickers who allow and encourage lawlessness. Trump  pays more taxes to China than the USA and they still vote for him. Fox News has won... It's like Russia's second election post USSR, the propaganda machine is in full force and will promote anything/anyone as long as it puts money in the pockets of those who already have all the money and power.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: straight on November 04, 2020, 02:36:37 PM
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If COVID never happened, Trump probably would've won by landslide.
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I thought they said last night that a lot of the counties with high COVID death rate all voted for Trump?

Really interesting to see that Latinos in some states helped Trump win. I don't even get that.
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It’s the worst. I can’t understand it either. My moms from Mexico, she hates Trump. She’s also been living here since she was 3 tho.

Race/Ethnicity is ducking weird in America. I’m a US Born Mexican American. My family is 0% Mexican. We’re Spanish/Portuguese according to DNA testing. According to the man the Spanish discovered America. Spain is part of the white european myth/whatever.  Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns. Fast forward 134 years later and I’m born. Brown ass bean according to the man. I’ve been taking shit for it my whole life. I don’t speak Spanish. I don’t have any family anywhere in the world except the greater Los Angeles area. I’ve been asked if I could read/speak English. Told to go back to where I came from. I have lots of kids even tho I don’t have any (that I know about ::) .)

Can I read? Yes

Can I speak English? What the fuck did you say, white?!!!

Go back to where you came from! That’s a 10 minute drive, no freeway bro.

People are stupid, brown pride fool.
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historically, mexicans are indigenous .. couldn’t tell if you were being serious or if it was satire

[close]

I understand that Mexicans are indigenous. It doesn’t change the labels of people because you say so. I’m brown according to white people but in reality I’m not. It wasn’t meant to be funny. It’s an example of how stupid labels of people in this country are. You can shit on someone all day for being Mexican even if indigenously they aren’t. I gave you personal examples my childhood/life as a bartender in Simi Valley CA

You should tell a Mexican he’s not Mexican because he’s not indigenous. They’re usually the big tall ones you’re probably scared of


My families been Mexican since they won independence from Spain just like the English became American after winning their independence from England

this is what i was referring to :

Somewhere along the way, I’m assuming when the US and Mexico warred, the whites in Mexico were turned to browns.

im not here to argue
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 04, 2020, 02:39:19 PM
Wouldn't Biden win Michigan for sure if they stopped the count? Why would MAGA protestors want that?

First off, they're MAGA. They don't know how to think.

Second, Biden took Michigan already. He just needs to keep AZ and NV and its game over.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 04, 2020, 02:43:08 PM
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Got a cousin posting on Facebook talking about how the Democrats are cheating and there’s been more Wisconsin votes than registered voters. I knew trump shitting on mail in voting would work but seeing it in real life is mind blowing. He also noted this should be expected from people willing to kill babies. Never mind the ones being sexually assaulted and left in cages at the border.
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Is he from Ocean County NJ.

I got a brother in law who told us people are asking for their ballots back once they found out about Hunter Biden’s lap top.

My brother in law is a great dude but he is as brain washed as DP.

Nah but not very far away in Pa. Him and his wife are very anti mask/pro opening things up also. I’m pretty content with never seeing them again at this point.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on November 04, 2020, 02:43:32 PM
Biden just delivered a speech and is confident that he won and I pretty much 95% believe him. It's currently 253 for Biden with one flip state to take the 270.

Anyone else really annoyed at this delay? Of course unprecedented voting records were achieved during this race and that was sure to slow the counting down but come on, it's not like we had every indication that was going to happen. This country is so laughingly badly prepared for everything that comes our way.
Yes it seems Nevada and Pennsylvania have been stuck at 86% counted all day
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 04, 2020, 02:51:48 PM
Nevada releasing more ballots tonight, could be enough for 270
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 04, 2020, 02:54:51 PM
https://twitter.com/hyckai/status/1323627097546461184

this sounds like terrorism to me....

White people don't get labeled as terrorists unless they follow Islam. These guys would get called rebels or patriots or freedom fighters.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 04, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
I'm so frickin stupid. Like 3 people have said orange man is going to jail.

I thought they was talking about Abe. Finally the last one was in person so I was like how do you know orange man and what did you hear?

They just was like !?! I'm like whatever.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 04, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
What's Nevada's deal?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 04, 2020, 03:51:48 PM
What's Nevada's deal?
They pushed mail in voting super hard and now they have hella ballots to count.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 04, 2020, 03:54:25 PM
LOL you guys were so doom-and-gloom last night. I know we as a people can slay this demonic clown
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Fongstarr. on November 04, 2020, 04:13:09 PM
The Trump supporting Mexicans I've come across always have a weird vibe to them, and then when you find out they support Trump it doesn't come off as surprising.

My uncle and his daughter are one of those. They've always been weird and looked down on other lower class Mexicans, especially the ones that come here illegally. I think they just want to blend in with white folks because they sure don't give a shit about their culture.

It's sometimes like that in Asian communities as well. A lot of Asians equate success as being white and losing their culture. There are even those Asian women that only want to date white men to "come up" in life. Also even among Asians, people treat some different as others. It's not surprising for some say Chinese to crap on Loas, Filipinos, Cambodians, etc. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 04, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
On a side note I know a self hating Mexican  son and father. The son is a little older than me, he’s s/o’s in law but I never said shit even though he is all MAGA. We had a civil discussion, not really an argument but he is uneducated and ignorant and I made sure that it showed because he started in with shit.

His dad denies being Mexican lol.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shitsandwich on November 04, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
Are any of the states planning on finishing the counts tonight? I know Nevada said they'll resume in the morning.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 04, 2020, 05:24:34 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773718685897588744/EmA1EOkX0AEGn5E.png)
Lmao
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 04, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773718685897588744/EmA1EOkX0AEGn5E.png)
Lmao

That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 04, 2020, 05:46:57 PM
LOL you guys were so doom-and-gloom last night. I know we as a people can slay this demonic clown
do you think this is all over or something?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 04, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
Biden has won for sure, bookies have started paying out
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: straight on November 04, 2020, 05:58:27 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHHUfpmJCz-/
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 04, 2020, 05:59:52 PM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.

this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror

wtf.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 04, 2020, 06:08:30 PM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
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this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror

wtf.
i’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look official
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 04, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
[close]

this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror

wtf.
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i’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look official

lets fucking hope its not. he definitely has enough idiots supporting him that are willing to "FIGHT BACK" to seriously fuck shit up
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 04, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
can anyone confirm if that email is legit ?

if so, im visiting the pawn shop tomorrow
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
Watching Fox News, no wonder the South and Midwest are so stupid and paranoid.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 04, 2020, 06:15:19 PM
I really wish we flipped the senate. Next 2 years are going to be frustrating. Fuck you middle America.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 04, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
[close]

this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror

wtf.
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i’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look official
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lets fucking hope its not. he definitely has enough idiots supporting him that are willing to "FIGHT BACK" to seriously fuck shit up

In the words of Fat Joe—The Fuckin’ shit is real.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1324131777930240000/photo/1

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 04, 2020, 06:34:19 PM
The plywood covering windows on businesses wasn't for the "radical" left.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 04, 2020, 06:35:21 PM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
[close]

this isnt even "funny trump antics" anymore. this is the president promoting acts of terror

wtf.
[close]
i’m not saying trump is above something like this but that email doesn’t exactly look official
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lets fucking hope its not. he definitely has enough idiots supporting him that are willing to "FIGHT BACK" to seriously fuck shit up

Yeah, appears to be. I got the image from this twitter thread
https://twitter.com/dlauer/status/1324116642209607680

and here's a bonus email with similar language, hot from my dad's aol account
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/773736573505634334/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 04, 2020, 06:45:28 PM
ok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.

any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?

my state is filled with die hard trumpers.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1324175651515949056
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 04, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Very stoked Michigan is blue again.
Not stoked about the idiots swarming Cobo Hall (TCF center or what the fuck ever it is now)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 04, 2020, 07:36:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1324175651515949056
”holy” shit.... no words
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 04, 2020, 07:37:59 PM
can anyone confirm if that email is legit ?

if so, im visiting the pawn shop tomorrow

The email is legit.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 04, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
Black people is places like Detroit, Atlanta, and Philly might win it for Biden. He better keep that in mind if he wins. The Democrats have been taking the black vote for granted.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 04, 2020, 08:17:35 PM
I get along with 90% of skaters. 99% of the skaters around the Boston area.

I know some people support Trump or whatever. I've been knowing since 2016. Please don't bring your political f****** problems around me when I'm skating. I'm not trying to deal with bullshit. Just skate and be cool. All will be fine

Thank you.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 04, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
Trump supporters are gathering in protest outside the election center in Arizona where the votes are being counted. Here we go. CHICKEN chicken CHICKEN BONE
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: smokecrack on November 04, 2020, 09:05:02 PM
ok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.

any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?

my state is filled with die hard trumpers.

Please, and this goes for everyone, do not start panic buying guns. It's dangerous and irresponsible, especially if you do not have any experience with firearms.

Calm yourself and do not fall into paranoia/fear. If you're serious about owning a firearm, do your research and look up your states gun laws. Also look into concealed carry/open carry permits.

If you still want to get a gun, you don't start with an AR15. Get a solid hand gun like a glock 17, 19, etc. If you are more concerned with home defense, get a shotgun.

And if you do decide to get a firearm, go to a gun range and work on your shot. You don't go from a normal civilian to John Rambo overnight by panic buying an AR.

Here's a pretty decent beginners guide:

http://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-handgun-beginners-home-defense/#toc4

Be smart and safe, guys.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Nosferatu on November 04, 2020, 09:37:38 PM
This shit is not over.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Uh Oh on November 04, 2020, 09:43:22 PM
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ok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.

any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?

my state is filled with die hard trumpers.
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Please, and this goes for everyone, do not start panic buying guns. It's dangerous and irresponsible, especially if you do not have any experience with firearms.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 04, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
They're going to count the ballots through the night in AZ and GA so we will know the results of at least those two states before morning. Here I am drinking iced coffee at almost 10 PM so I can be awake to see Trump concede defeat live. Fuck this guy and anybody who supports him, I am fed up to the max with this bullshit illegitimate reality TV Russian patsy President and I have been waiting four years to watch him get curb stomped by the popular vote.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sidewalk Funk. on November 04, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
What’s going on in Detroit? People chanting “stop the count”?

Coincidentally was skating a spot 1 block away from where this was happening in Detroit today. Ran into a couple middle aged ladies that were part of this and they were completely unhinged. It was definitely one of those moments you see in those viral Karen videos.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 04, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
They're going to count the ballots through the night in AZ and GA so we will know the results of at least those two states before morning. Here I am drinking iced coffee at almost 10 PM so I can be awake to see Trump concede defeat live. Fuck this guy and anybody who supports him, I am fed up to the max with this bullshit illegitimate reality TV Russian patsy President and I have been waiting four years to watch him get curb stomped by the popular vote.

you're trippin if you think this is happening.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 04, 2020, 10:31:36 PM
No offense dude but you seem kinda pessimistic
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: lazer69 on November 04, 2020, 10:35:46 PM
Yeah sure, income inequality came to mind first. But then, the percentage of people below the poverty line has also been dropping steadily, so what other metric is there that could convey the accurate picture for the wellbeing of the average american?

What are you personal experiences? Were you better off in 2019 than in 2016?

Never paid less in taxes then I did this era. I probably make less than most people on here, but I made more than I ever did previously. I got more back form tax returns then I ever have seen. See  more job postings then I ever have in my life. lots of growth. A lot of confidence in the market- bull market. The rich boss getting richer isnt bad if he needs to scale up, thus provide jobs.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shitsandwich on November 04, 2020, 11:11:57 PM
I don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 04, 2020, 11:14:27 PM
I don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?

He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shitsandwich on November 04, 2020, 11:19:55 PM
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I don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?
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He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.

So do you think they called it for AZ because that state has experience with the mail in ballots, so it is easier to see the trend due to past data? I'm just trying to find out why the hell would they call it so early
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 04, 2020, 11:21:42 PM
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I don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?
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He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.
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So do you think they called it for AZ because that state has experience with the mail in ballots, so it is easier to see the trend due to past data? I'm just trying to find out why the hell would they call it so early

I think they assumed too much that the rest of the ballots would sway blue. But since the last batch had some red, trumpers are holding on to hope. Biden still has a lead, so we just gotta hope that it stays blue.

I'm not political expert, this is just shit im watching on CNN, who have NOT called Arizona yet.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 04, 2020, 11:33:20 PM
I really wish we flipped the senate. Next 2 years are going to be frustrating. Fuck you middle America.

I am both shocked and not shocked that McConnell, Graham, and Collins all got fucking re-elected.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Matze on November 04, 2020, 11:47:06 PM
I wanted to write something positive and give some hope but the more I think about the American democracy the more I appreciate the German system (build with the help of the US).
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 04, 2020, 11:47:57 PM
I think the fact that the counting of ballots is drawn out is positive. Imagine the anguish doofus is going through rn.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 04, 2020, 11:52:07 PM
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ok now that the email has been confirmed, im definitely buying a firearm and a fuck ton of bottled water.

any recommendations ? is AR15 still the way to go ?

my state is filled with die hard trumpers.
[close]

Please, and this goes for everyone, do not start panic buying guns. It's dangerous and irresponsible, especially if you do not have any experience with firearms.

Calm yourself and do not fall into paranoia/fear. If you're serious about owning a firearm, do your research and look up your states gun laws. Also look into concealed carry/open carry permits.

If you still want to get a gun, you don't start with an AR15. Get a solid hand gun like a glock 17, 19, etc. If you are more concerned with home defense, get a shotgun.

And if you do decide to get a firearm, go to a gun range and work on your shot. You don't go from a normal civilian to John Rambo overnight by panic buying an AR.

Here's a pretty decent beginners guide:

http://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-handgun-beginners-home-defense/#toc4

Be smart and safe, guys.

im mostly just kidding.... mostly

as far as gun safety goes tho im with you. my dad is a gun owner so i grew up shooting/bird hunting and know the do's and donts / the basics, i myself just never found the need to own one as i dont enjoy shooting very much.

but considering the state of the country rn, im definetly seriously considering purchasing a firearm for self/home defense. my states gun laws are lax as fuck too so it wouldnt be very hard to pick one up.

the stress/paranoia this fat old orange man and his supporters hav caused me is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 04, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
is this real?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 05, 2020, 12:04:28 AM
I have noticed a disparity between the electoral votes indicated on CNN's website vs. Fox's website, with the higher number of electoral votes being present on the fox site.  I wonder how intentional that is for inciting discord?

I do not have cable, not sure if the same is true for what they are broadcasting on TV.  Interesting to me because I would assume that the opposite would be true.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 05, 2020, 12:10:45 AM
It's the same message on TV. Fox is not being nearly as cautious with their predictions as CNN has been. Laura Ingraham is currently making the case for Trump being the best President for Minority voters OF ALL TIME and that's one of her less confusing opinions she likes to share
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 05, 2020, 05:29:21 AM
I have noticed a disparity between the electoral votes indicated on CNN's website vs. Fox's website, with the higher number of electoral votes being present on the fox site.  I wonder how intentional that is for inciting discord?

I’d be willing to wager they’re operating in the wheelhouse of Trump’s plan. He’s been baselessly crying voting fraud for months and falsely claimed victory during early predictions all so he can easily rile up his followers when he lost the lead. It’s why you have his followers in PA chanting “stop counting votes” while followers in AZ are crying “keep counting.”

It’s part of the long con to have his followers believe that anything short of a Trump victory is a conspiracy to steal the election. An angle he’ll use to bring this vote to the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 05, 2020, 06:28:00 AM
10:30am Georgia sec of state holding a news conference
12pm est Nevada will give an update
9pm est next update from Nevada planned
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on November 05, 2020, 06:52:08 AM
Just saw a NYT update that GA has 61k absentee ballots left to count. Biden has to close a margin of just 18k and Senator Perdue has to cling to his 50% to avoid a runoff with Jon Ossoff. Pretty happy with my home state today for giving the republicunts a run for their money
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 05, 2020, 07:03:08 AM
Trump is on twitter yelling to stop the count, but if the count were stopped Biden would win AZ and NV and get the 270 needed to win.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 05, 2020, 08:29:23 AM
Trump is on twitter yelling to stop the count, but if the count were stopped Biden would win AZ and NV and get the 270 needed to win.

Trump just means he wants the count to stop whenever he is in the lead
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 05, 2020, 08:32:46 AM
Very stoked Michigan is blue again.
Not stoked about the idiots swarming Cobo Hall (TCF center or what the fuck ever it is now)
I'm sure the thanks goes out to this city. NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYs2HHYqmxw
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 05, 2020, 09:02:06 AM
I feel like they’re almost pulling some shit like the NBA playoffs and stretching this out for ratings and ad money. Like they’re going to announce Nevada for Biden with .05 on the clock after all the other states are called.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Dirty_Dan90 on November 05, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
by the time the winner is announced and all the bullshit with the ballots is done nobody will even remember the coronavirus
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 05, 2020, 09:08:40 AM
I feel like they’re almost pulling some shit like the NBA playoffs and stretching this out for ratings and ad money. Like they’re going to announce Nevada for Biden with .05 on the clock after all the other states are called.

Turn of the screw.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 05, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Trump advisory claims Trump can run again in 2024. I think they're accepting their defeat.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-run-2024-election-biden-b1613385.html
 (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-run-2024-election-biden-b1613385.html)
Biden needs to go full force to prosecute Trump, as long as he doesnt resign and get pardoned by Pence.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 05, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
Kind of sounds like it's just an advisor trying to reel in the crazy a bit. Not sure he's giving up yet.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 05, 2020, 10:31:27 AM
Trump advisory claims Trump can run again in 2024. I think they're accepting their defeat.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-run-2024-election-biden-b1613385.html
 (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-run-2024-election-biden-b1613385.html)
Biden needs to go full force to prosecute Trump, as long as he doesnt resign and get pardoned by Pence.

yeah, I don't know that Joe will prosecute him and I think what you're saying about Pence pardon could happen. Still, I can't see him officially stepping down, but rather jetting off to another country to avoid prosecution in NY, just giving up the presidency to save his skin. While his prosecution would be great and set precedent, that of his troglodyte children is equally important. Take their assets.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mongoloid on November 05, 2020, 10:43:21 AM
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Lmao
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That’s not funny, that’s an invitation to violence.
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is this real?

I did one of his questionnaires one time to give my vocal displeasure, and I received the emails his campaign team sent out. They are very real, very divisive, and incredibly provocative. It’s scary that this level of propaganda isn’t illegal.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: coyote2425 on November 05, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
Imagine the horror of a Trump/Trump Jr. campaign.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: shucknjive on November 05, 2020, 11:02:49 AM
athenian catz [AT Cali Kid
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 05, 2020, 11:04:00 AM
We in are in store for a bad time for the next few years, no matter what. But, at least if Biden wins we can restore some normalcy to our federal agencies and prepare them for the next onslaught that will come from 4 years of no legislative action (split legislative branch and Biden in the White House).

Dems needed the legislative branch and the executive branch to undo the insanity of the last few years.

But, focusing on the positive... Biden is closing in fast on Trump in Penn and holding his lead in AZ and NV. I'm amazed. If this happens we all need to thank the citizens of Philadelphia and Pittsburg (and Phoenix, Tucson, Reno, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Madison, Ann Arbor, Detroit, and Flint) for saving the country. (We could probably thank the people of Flint by giving them drinkable water.)

(https://i.ibb.co/0cKQFWY/Screen-Shot-2020-11-05-at-1-53-43-PM.png)

Sadly, I feel Russia's past is a good picture of America's future. Free-market neo-liberal (libertarian) ideology quickly leads to authoritarianism. It seems to create intense insecurity for the average person who looks for a "strong" leader and it allows the corporate elite to find and prop up that demagogue (who then expects completely loyalty/subservience and lashes out at anyone who dare betray his corrupt "benevolence"). 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMUMNyJQHMA
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 05, 2020, 11:39:59 AM
Plz don't buy guns.

They frickin want that so Don't do it. Wait.

If you must have a c&c pocket gun..

go with

A ppk/s not a s&w ppk. Those are not great. Vintage pieces 84 back are nice but can be expensive.

Sometimes they are actually combo pp/ppk. It's still a small piece. I forgotten why they did that.

Hitler used a ppk to blow out his brain pan out so that's nice.

The Glock 42.

The safety system is odd but your definitely going to get all your shots off without the safety switch flipping from recoil and slide movement. That happens with a s&w ppk. I've seen this a few times online never had one do it.

I'm not a fan of glock. I like steel frames.

Home defense I'll always say get cttv first then a 12g pullpup with bird shot.

Bird shot is lethal less so than buckshot. it's way less likely to travel through a wall or through the floor and take out someone who's sleeping if you live in an apartment.

When you locate the intruder turn on the light make sure it's actually a home invader.

Remember that asshole who shot his kid in the dark way back when. Happens.

I know or known people who've been shot by stray bullets.

Now trump likely made these statements to sell more fire arms. Don't forget the NRA the KKK and the gun manufacturers all back trump.

Joe Biden said we're coming for your guns so you may not have it long.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on November 05, 2020, 11:59:09 AM
Biden is 0.2% away from tying things up at Georgia. Talk about by a hair.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 05, 2020, 12:46:31 PM
Biden is 0.2% away from tying things up at Georgia. Talk about by a hair.
is that with an estimated of 99% of votes counted?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: dofrenzy on November 05, 2020, 02:02:38 PM

<snip>

Remember that asshole who shot his kid in the dark way back when. Happens.

<snip>

Here's one from today's headlines where a guy woke up to noises and shot an intruder after checking that his wife was still in bed.  Turns out he felt his dog in the bed.  Popped his pregnant wife in the head.  Why not a center-of-mass body shot though?

https://people.com/crime/florida-man-shoots-pregnant-wife-thinking-intruder/

So yeah, it does happen.  Makes me wonder why someone would be so paranoid....maybe he thought there was a Mexican drug-dealer, criminal, rapist in his house.

Then again it is Florida so maybe the explanation is "Florida".
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: CossRooper on November 05, 2020, 02:30:49 PM
I cannot wait to see this dude go down.

His twitter today can either be read as a dude that is gearing up to deny the results, or the wild flailing of a person who is losing. I hope it is the latter.

I hope the courts act quickly and decisively to affirm the results of these states where Trump is contesting. I think Trump's general approach is to throw so much bullshit into the media, public sphere, and political system to the point where it basically clogs, allowing him to do what he wants, but I hope the system can withstand it this time.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: rawr1922 on November 05, 2020, 02:31:59 PM
Majority of people have no business owning a gun. If you're that trigger happy, your family more at danger.
 
Anyways, what's up with Nevada??? Made very little progress since yesterday
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 05, 2020, 02:42:44 PM
if anybody needs it, this site is tracking votes as they come in. also tracking the trends and margins biden and trump need to win the state.

https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

looks good for Biden in GA and PA.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: froufroufox on November 05, 2020, 03:18:29 PM
All of my conservative fam and their friends have been posting some extra wild shit the past 48 hours. Very curious, and a little terrified, to see what happens once the election is called.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 05, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
All of my conservative fam and their friends have been posting some extra wild shit the past 48 hours. Very curious, and a little terrified, to see what happens once the election is called.

Same. They've been pulling out every conspiracy possible. Luckily my friends/family aren't GUN CRAZED Trumpers. But I'm legit worried how G.I SloppyJoes in the country militia will try to respond. We've already seen how some were/are ready to try to kidnap and kill a governor.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 05, 2020, 03:32:50 PM
Trump speaking shortly 6:30pm est supposedly. Whitehouse.gov starting soon it says
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 05, 2020, 03:37:27 PM
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All of my conservative fam and their friends have been posting some extra wild shit the past 48 hours. Very curious, and a little terrified, to see what happens once the election is called.
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Curious to see how the police would respond to this if they were just attacking blm protestors. Also will trumps repub butt buddies still give him the pass if bad shit goes down? Or will they for once condemn his actions since they are very obviously trying to get people heated.

Same. They've been pulling out every conspiracy possible. Luckily my friends/family aren't GUN CRAZED Trumpers. But I'm legit worried how G.I SloppyJoes in the country militia will try to respond. We've already seen how some were/are ready to try to kidnap and kill a governor.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 05, 2020, 03:46:10 PM
the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil war

(https://i.imgflip.com/219ah2.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 05, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
if anybody needs it, this site is tracking votes as they come in. also tracking the trends and margins biden and trump need to win the state.

https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

looks good for Biden in GA and PA.

This website is amazing. Good find.

Biden keeps improving in Penn... he only needs 59% of the remaining votes to eek out a win at this point.

Biden can get Georgia as well... 43K votes left and he is only behind by 9K. That is fucking do-able.

Fucking Arizona better stay blue. Trump could flip it back depending on where the last few votes are from. Hopefully, Tucson still has some ballots to count and the remaining ballots aren't coming from places like Snowflake or Payson or Fountain Hills.



Update: Biden is only 3,635 behind in Georgia with 25,687 votes left. He only needs 57.08% of the remaining votes. Come on Atlanta.
Update2: Biden is only 1,902 behind in Georgia with 10,905 votes left. Holy fuck this is going to be close.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: froufroufox on November 05, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
Holy shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.

I’ve never hated a human being as much.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: CossRooper on November 05, 2020, 04:17:44 PM
Holy shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.

I’ve never hated a human being as much.

I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: coyote2425 on November 05, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
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Holy shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.

I’ve never hated a human being as much.
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I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.

That was really something, even by batshit-Trump standards.

The season finale is heating up.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 05, 2020, 04:47:54 PM
They better put Killer Mike in textbooks if Georgia pulls this off.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 05, 2020, 04:56:55 PM
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Remember that asshole who shot his kid in the dark way back when. Happens.

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Here's one from today's headlines where a guy woke up to noises and shot an intruder after checking that his wife was still in bed.  Turns out he felt his dog in the bed.  Popped his pregnant wife in the head.  Why not a center-of-mass body shot though?

https://people.com/crime/florida-man-shoots-pregnant-wife-thinking-intruder/

So yeah, it does happen.  Makes me wonder why someone would be so paranoid....maybe he thought there was a Mexican drug-dealer, criminal, rapist in his house.

Then again it is Florida so maybe the explanation is "Florida".

Horrendous &#128557;
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Nosferatu on November 05, 2020, 05:03:17 PM
Gnarred for that website Big Skatefase.

It looks like Biden will win Georgia in a super tight split. More importantly, I think he will win Pennsylvania by 40k+ which will shut the door clearly. Arizona and Nevada can count for the rest of the year at that point...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: rawr1922 on November 05, 2020, 05:13:54 PM
Arizona and Nevada can count for the rest of the year at that point...

 
LOL
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 05, 2020, 05:48:05 PM
Guys and girls I don’t understand, Biden’s won yeah? Sportsbet paid out yesterday arvo, bookmakers have teams of math nerds, surely they have worked it out?

Also I just saw on an Australian news site trump was making some speech about how the votes bullshit and someone at nbc said nope and cut the live feed
That’s pretty funny

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mesteezo on November 05, 2020, 06:07:22 PM
The devil is coming down to Georgia, boys!  2500 away from the lead
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 05, 2020, 06:20:17 PM
Trump and most of his supporters seem like they're having a psychotic break. How do people become such huge pieces of shit? It's impossible to understand their anger, hatred and irrationality. The only way they'll believe the results is if he wins.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 05, 2020, 06:39:19 PM
Majority of people have no business owning a gun. If you're that trigger happy, your family more at danger.
 
Anyways, what's up with Nevada??? Made very little progress since yesterday

(https://i.imgur.com/gIUxAZX.jpg)

disclaimer - no idea how feasible this is but I thought it was entertaining
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: lazer69 on November 05, 2020, 07:01:59 PM
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I don't really understand why Arizona was called for Biden so early? They only completed counting 86% of the votes and there's a 2.8% difference with Biden ahead of trump. In comparison to Pennsylvania, which hasn't been called yet. They have completed 89% of the votes and there's a 2.6% difference with Trump ahead of Biden. It seems like Trump still has a chance to catch up in AZ, right?
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He does. AZ has experience with mail in ballots, unlike Penn, which never did mail in. Since AZ has exp with mail in, there will be some or more red votes coming in. Penn's will mostly be all blue.
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So do you think they called it for AZ because that state has experience with the mail in ballots, so it is easier to see the trend due to past data? I'm just trying to find out why the hell would they call it so early

bc the sames people counting the mail in ballots is the same ones counting the rona cases
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Joe Pesci on November 05, 2020, 08:39:28 PM
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Holy shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.

I’ve never hated a human being as much.
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I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.
Especially how ironic it is that its him whos trying to steal a win by accusing the legit party of stealing... Its like Among Us in real life where the killer tries to convince the normal people to eject themselves
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 05, 2020, 08:41:01 PM
They better put Killer Mike in textbooks if Georgia pulls this off.
A lot of this is Stacey Abrams. She is getting her revenge for screwing with her in the last election. The rightful governor of Georgia should be a black woman and everyone knows not to fuck over a strong black woman. Fuck around and find out indeed.

https://newsone.com/4045553/stacey-abrams-georgia-2020-election/
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cricketclub on November 05, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
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Holy shit, is anyone watching trump’s address right now? It’s about the same as his tweets, full-on accusations that he WON the presidency already until the Dems stole it from him using voter suppression tactics.

I’ve never hated a human being as much.
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I need to turn this shit off man. So infuriating. Saying that the entire voting system is infiltrated by corrupt Democrats. Something like "we can't allow such an important election to be stolen" from corrupt Democrat controlled cities like Philadelpha/Detroit. Just so wild to watch.
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Especially how ironic it is that its him whos trying to steal a win by accusing the legit party of stealing... Its like Among Us in real life where the killer tries to convince the normal people to eject themselves

Not that my leftist ass would ever call the demonrats “the legit party” but yes
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 05, 2020, 09:30:22 PM
the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil war

(https://i.imgflip.com/219ah2.jpg)
Gnar'd! And I'm serving you seconds when I come back and see that shit again, got me.

The devil is coming down to Georgia, boys!  2500 away from the lead
And if you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold,
But if you lose the devil gets your souuuuuuul
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 05, 2020, 09:59:54 PM
1709 votes away in Georgia, with 9000 to be counted.

Biden is on track to Baker make this
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 05, 2020, 10:18:48 PM
1709 votes away in Georgia, with 9000 to be counted.

Biden is on track to Baker make this

Haha
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 05, 2020, 11:21:24 PM
1,267 votes away from Biden flipping Georgia with 8,474 votes left to count. Georgia is going blue. Unbelievable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL3EZwSJAh0

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 05, 2020, 11:57:12 PM
Back the fuck up.

Georgia, 665 votes away, 7600 votes still to be counted
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 06, 2020, 12:01:16 AM
Back the fuck up.

Georgia, 665 votes away, 7600 votes still to be counted

IT'S HAPPENENING GET THE FUCK IN HERE Y'ALL
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 06, 2020, 12:20:49 AM
Finally 2020 is coming around... I hope once tRump figures out he is shit out of luck he has an aneurysm.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 06, 2020, 12:35:45 AM
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They better put Killer Mike in textbooks if Georgia pulls this off.
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A lot of this is Stacey Abrams. She is getting her revenge for screwing with her in the last election. The rightful governor of Georgia should be a black woman and everyone knows not to fuck over a strong black woman. Fuck around and find out indeed.

https://newsone.com/4045553/stacey-abrams-georgia-2020-election/

Common sense isn't always common regrettably. In any case, justice is close to being served.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on November 06, 2020, 12:47:58 AM
meanwhile at the white house

https://twitter.com/happywithmeok/status/1324077600239542272
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: mclovin1336 on November 06, 2020, 12:48:53 AM
late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ihatejulio on November 06, 2020, 01:25:17 AM
Georgia Biden Margin: +917

THANK YOU MAX PALMER.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: rawr1922 on November 06, 2020, 01:28:01 AM
late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)

 
Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  . 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: larryhagman on November 06, 2020, 01:33:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxDdbVogb68 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxDdbVogb68)

Call Bobby Puleo
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: smokecrack on November 06, 2020, 01:48:24 AM
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .

Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Garth Marenghi on November 06, 2020, 02:10:36 AM
https://youtu.be/3tBqdKGiqnI
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 06, 2020, 02:14:06 AM
Biden is officially ahead by 900 votes

Edit: late to the party
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: mclovin1336 on November 06, 2020, 03:34:35 AM
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .
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Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s

thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: larryhagman on November 06, 2020, 03:39:11 AM
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .
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Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
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thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)

all of these are pretty relevant
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 06, 2020, 04:09:40 AM
And we’re in the lead!

Hopefully he can toe touch, heel drag, and tic-tac his way into the White House.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 06, 2020, 05:11:26 AM
Here’s my thought to reform the Senate:
Top two parties in each state split the two seats
By and large that would mean a 50/50 split in the Senate btw R and D which means bipartisanship must happen to be effective regardless of which party runs the executive branch. However the VP already functions as the tie breaking vote in the senate, so the party that wins has that slight edge, but no one can amass enough power to dictate the legislative branch. 

Just been thinking about this today.  Let me know if you see any holes in it
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 06, 2020, 05:23:45 AM
Biden has the lead in Georgia. He's up by 1097 with about 5K ballots left to count.

And he is still on track to get Penn.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 06, 2020, 05:28:47 AM

the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil war

(https://i.imgflip.com/219ah2.jpg)

Trump supporters having to shoot back at the police after starting the civil war and “bAcKiNg ThE bLuE” the last 9 months.
(https://i.imgflip.com/219ah2.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on November 06, 2020, 05:37:47 AM
^ This is actually a great topic for discussion! Who will the majority of law enforcement stand beside when/if it all goes down? I find it hard to believe that many cops will side with folks that called for their jobs to be terminated.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: behavioralguide on November 06, 2020, 05:40:55 AM

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the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil war

(https://i.imgflip.com/219ah2.jpg)
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Trump supporters having to shoot back at the police after starting the civil war and “bAcKiNg ThE bLuE” the last 9 months.
(https://i.ibb.co/DkYPSBH/219ah2.png)
fixed
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 06, 2020, 05:51:58 AM
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the police having to shoot trump supporters when they start the civil war

(https://i.imgflip.com/219ah2.jpg)
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Trump supporters having to shoot back at the police after starting the civil war and “bAcKiNg ThE bLuE” the last 9 months.
(https://i.ibb.co/DkYPSBH/219ah2.png)
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Haha thank you, gnarred
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 06, 2020, 06:07:19 AM
Biden officially leading in PA now. Also Big Skatefase dropping the meme of the year.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on November 06, 2020, 06:08:49 AM
Biden officially leading in PA now. Also Big Skatefase dropping the meme of the year.

Yep. If I were a Biden supporter in Philly I would clear the streets now before a convoy of Trump supporters show up and start committing acts of terror
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: excitableboy on November 06, 2020, 06:12:28 AM
Millions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 06, 2020, 06:13:33 AM
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Biden officially leading in PA now. Also Big Skatefase dropping the meme of the year.
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Yep. If I were a Biden supporter in Philly I would clear the streets now before a convoy of Trump supporters show up and start committing acts of terror

I'm here and I'll post if anything pops off. FWIW the governor called in the national guard last week in anticipation that some boogs might try and set it off in the event of a trump loss. That being said, not planning on being in center city for a little bit, though I am back at work so I do have to kind of pass through on my commute.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 06, 2020, 06:34:30 AM
Millions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.

She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 06, 2020, 06:48:21 AM
Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 06, 2020, 06:51:08 AM
Duane Peters just died of heartbreak. RIP
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: fredgallSOTY on November 06, 2020, 06:53:01 AM
Georgia Biden Margin: +917

THANK YOU MAX PALMER.
biden looks at the camera in a moment of surprise, both his hands up and a smile on his face. *freeze frame*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0-DppU99t4&list=LLxNw08IdUpekuznjo50SiQw&index=653
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: excitableboy on November 06, 2020, 06:59:22 AM
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She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.

Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 06, 2020, 07:15:39 AM
I work adjacent to a bunch of cops and they were fucking stressed last night &#129315;.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: blurst_of_times on November 06, 2020, 07:20:05 AM
Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
+1
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Gnarfunkell on November 06, 2020, 07:24:51 AM
COME ON LET'S GET ITTTT
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ok boomer on November 06, 2020, 07:31:49 AM
Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.

Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 06, 2020, 07:35:49 AM
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Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
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Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator
Makes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic people
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: too fakie on November 06, 2020, 07:35:53 AM
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .
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Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
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thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)

all of these are pretty relevant

I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: larryhagman on November 06, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
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Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
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Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator
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Makes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic people
finland afaik
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .
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Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
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thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)

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I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?

im not american and not that knowledgeable about the exact voting system, but wouldnt senate or congress or some other form of a parliamen be voted representation of the interests of a state, country demographic or whatsoever
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on November 06, 2020, 08:13:57 AM
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Millions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.
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She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.
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Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.
In a perfect world I’d love to vote third party. But the stakes of splitting the vote and trump getting re elected are way too high.
https://youtu.be/8SBGLqq5VUw
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sleazy on November 06, 2020, 08:18:12 AM
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Millions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.
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She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.
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Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.
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In a perfect world I’d love to vote third party. But the stakes of splitting the vote and trump getting re elected are way too high.
https://youtu.be/8SBGLqq5VUw

yeah, if all the protest votes in the tight states when to biden it'd be game set match already
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: garthblader on November 06, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
I've heard that theres going to be a big Pro Trump Rally downtown Denver today, right as I switch shifts on my bike.

If Biden wins the celebrations will bring out the Trumpers to protest.  If Trump wins the celebrations will bring out the Biden protestors and it will blow up.  Either way it'll be a touchy couple of weeks. 

Stay safe everyone.   
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: excitableboy on November 06, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
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Millions of people first heard the name Jo Jorgensen this week. Possibly even the majority of the electorate. It's incredible how a fix can be so flagrant yet virtually unopposed.
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She’s a fucking nut job. Completely eliminate department of education because in its current form it’s failing us? Nah. Fuck that noise.
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Not exactly supporting her. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. The point here is that it does not matter what the other 'candidates' stand for.
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In a perfect world I’d love to vote third party. But the stakes of splitting the vote and trump getting re elected are way too high.
https://youtu.be/8SBGLqq5VUw

Yeah, I'd feel the same way. That a third option constitutes a perfect world, rather than a minimally improved one, is of course the rub. A Catch 22 is barely choice, hence the whole thing can hardly be called democratic.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ok boomer on November 06, 2020, 09:05:58 AM
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Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
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Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator
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Makes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic people
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finland afaik

Oh yeah. Haven't kept up with him since Think skateboards really. Knew he moved but wrong place!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Lorem_Ipsum on November 06, 2020, 09:28:52 AM
Duane Peters just died of heartbreak. RIP

Lol. And the world keeps turning. At least those vomit inducing trump boards that he made can be used for something useful like tinder. Master of disaster indeed
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 06, 2020, 09:41:58 AM
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .
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Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
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thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)

all of these are pretty relevant
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I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?

But wouldn't using the popular vote have the same effect, where a lot of people's votes don't count because they live in the middle of nowhere?

Edit - the main problem with the EC seems to be that candidates can win all of a state's points with less than half of the votes? Not as much of an issue when independents are getting 1% of the total but if voting for independent candidates became more popular it would look a bit stupid. We have a similarly awful system in the UK where a lot of people's votes are pretty meaningless. You don't have to get 50% of the vote to win in an area but at least each area is only worth one seat.

^ This is actually a great topic for discussion! Who will the majority of law enforcement stand beside when/if it all goes down? I find it hard to believe that many cops will side with folks that called for their jobs to be terminated.

They will side with the Trump mob because they are also part of that same mob
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 06, 2020, 09:51:17 AM
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late to the party, but how is this electoral college voting system still used anyway? Biden has so much more votes. can anyone analyze it briefly how or why the voting system has never been changed/ updated whatsoever?

thanks  :)
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Blame Congress & our extremely outdated two party system. Been many attempts in the past, congress always fails us. So much loyalty to a certain party/state , sabotage anything that goes against their party instead of thinking of the greater good. Think about the states with a lot of electoral votes & representation in Congress, no way they want to give up that power & influence. Will shoot down any amendment in the future that makes their state lose voting power  .
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Totally spot on ^

This 5 minute clip breaks it down pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk&t=9s
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thank you! that makes so sense, but is kind of sad to see.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cgp+grey+electoral+college)

all of these are pretty relevant
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I’ve had so many arguments with my old man about the electoral college. His big argument is that without the EC, candidates would only focus on population centers and overlook the needs of lesser populated rural areas. For me the bottom line has always been this...how can anyone expect voters, especially young voters that are just now old enough to get involved, to want to participate in a system in which their vote could not actually count depending on what state they live in?
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But wouldn't using the popular vote have the same effect, where a lot of people's votes don't count because they live in the middle of nowhere?


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They will side with the Trump mob because they are also part of that same mob

Biden has zero interest in police abolition, and while many cops do indeed love Tump they love getting paid copious amounts of money for doing very little even more. Personal Ideology is out the window regarding anyone who threatens that, be they leftist protestors or boogs. Police thrive on bureaucracy and these rednecks are a threat to their check.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 06, 2020, 11:18:43 AM
Big ups to ATL and Detroit heads who voted
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 06, 2020, 11:27:26 AM
Vox just called this for Biden... I imagine other agencies will start calling it as well.

What a fucking roller coaster.

I know there are problems that will come of this and we are going to run into some serious problems during the next four years, but for right now, I'm just going to enjoy that fact that Trump is on his way out... and all the federal agencies will soon have qualified people in charge (they might not be perfect, but they'll be competent and honest).

https://www.vox.com/21552641/joe-biden-wins-pennsylvania-decision-desk

Edit: They called Penn because it seems the Biden will just increase his lead. They haven't called Georgia because there are outstanding ballots that are coming from people overseas (including military stationed overseas).

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 06, 2020, 11:58:56 AM
Vox just called this for Biden... I imagine other agencies will start calling it as well.

What a fucking roller coaster.

I know there are problems that will come of this and we are going to run into some serious problems during the next four years, but for right now, I'm just going to enjoy that fact that Trump is on his way out... and all the federal agencies will soon have qualified people in charge (they might not be perfect, but they'll be competent and honest).

https://www.vox.com/21552641/joe-biden-wins-pennsylvania-decision-desk

Edit: They called Penn because it seems the Biden will just increase his lead. They haven't called Georgia because there are outstanding ballots that are coming from people overseas (including military stationed overseas).

This was up at 6am pacific, but it’s also vox so...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 06, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Biden addressing country during prime time tonight. Thoughts? Reiterate the lead but let the process continue?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 06, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
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Thoughts and prayers to Pat Duffy during these tough times.
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Didn't he move to Sweden, yet is all MAGA? That is confusing af, as a spectator
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Makes perfect sense to me. Sweden is full of Aryans and Nordic people

Sweden is full of ancient Indo-Persians?

Iceland is full of elves.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: trashparty on November 06, 2020, 01:08:24 PM
A T L    H O E                      A T L    H O E                      A T L    H O E
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NywdVBwzurU&ab_channel=chiefshawn

                                A T L    H O E                      A T L    H O E                      A T L    H O E
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ERY BODY LEMME HEAR YAH SAY OOOWHHHH YAAAHYYYYUURRRR
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mongoloid on November 06, 2020, 01:37:59 PM
We did it partially! Gotta work on senate seats now.

If GA comes through in January they’re the undisputed GOAT.

Ruin Skateshop ruled btw.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 06, 2020, 03:03:01 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NywdVBwzurU&ab_channel=chiefshawn

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ERY BODY LEMME HEAR YAH SAY OOOWHHHH YAAAHYYYYUURRRR

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XNgIuYktfqw

Edit: still stoked on MI flipping (shoutout Detroit, Ann Arbor and Flint), but god damn GA, PA, WI, and NV?
I’m getting some champagne for the inevitable.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on November 06, 2020, 03:24:02 PM
I may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 06, 2020, 03:36:08 PM
I may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?

I'm not a US citizen, so I might be totally wrong, but I think it's a mix of things...

- This was a high-turnout election (I believe Biden's received the most votes in any presidential election in US history), so they're taking time to make sure every vote is counted

- I think they're taking their time to be more transparent with how they count, in order to avoid any major legal recourse from Republicans

- Also, this is just my theory, but I also think they're taking their time to give everyone a chance to cool down and gradually settle into the fact that Biden/the Democrats could very well run the country.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 06, 2020, 03:40:15 PM
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I may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?
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I'm not a US citizen, so I might be totally wrong, but I think it's a mix of things...

- This was a high-turnout election (I believe Biden's received the most votes in any presidential election in US history), so they're taking time to make sure every vote is counted

- I think they're taking their time to be more transparent with how they count, in order to avoid any major legal recourse from Republicans

- Also, this is just my theory, but I also think they're taking their time to give everyone a chance to cool down and gradually settle into the fact that Biden/the Democrats could very well run the country.

Highest voter turn out since early 1900s

Abnormally high mail in balloting because of obvious reasons
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 06, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ru0j9Jn.gif)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mesteezo on November 06, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
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The Gang Decides The Election
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: doctorkickflip on November 06, 2020, 03:47:30 PM
Yeah it’s the record high mail in ballots and the archaic ballot counting rules in states like PA. They weren’t allowed to even to open the ballots they received early- until Election Day. Other states started counting early ballots as soon as they came in, then release their tallies on Election Day.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 06, 2020, 03:50:21 PM
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I may be showing my age, but I remember a time when it was fairly clear who won the presidential election. What in the sweet fuck is going on?
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I'm not a US citizen, so I might be totally wrong, but I think it's a mix of things...

- This was a high-turnout election (I believe Biden's received the most votes in any presidential election in US history), so they're taking time to make sure every vote is counted

- I think they're taking their time to be more transparent with how they count, in order to avoid any major legal recourse from Republicans

- Also, this is just my theory, but I also think they're taking their time to give everyone a chance to cool down and gradually settle into the fact that Biden/the Democrats could very well run the country.
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Highest voter turn out since early 1900s

Abnormally high mail in balloting because of obvious reasons
percentage wise yeah. Of course the actual number of votes is much higher since population has grown so much
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: childhood on November 06, 2020, 03:51:41 PM
And even though U.S. elections are usually resolved in less time than this, even as recently as 2000, that election wasn't really definitively decided until December 12th of that year.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 06, 2020, 05:25:20 PM
And 2000 was a much simpler, saner time in every metric besides footwear
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 06, 2020, 05:43:00 PM
And 2000 was a much simpler, saner time in every metric besides footwear

You didn’t like your skate shoes looking like baked potatoes you could ball in?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 06, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
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Man I miss stupid drinking games with my family
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 07, 2020, 02:15:55 AM
The Republican who ran for governor in Washington state and lost is refusing to concede and is asking for voters to check their ballot status. Trump's idiocy is being imitated by other trolls. Politicians reaching new levels of shittiness.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 07, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
The Republican who ran for governor in Washington state and lost is refusing to concede and is asking for voters to check their ballot status. Trump's idiocy is being imitated by other trolls. Politicians reaching new levels of shittiness.

The GOP is going to be trying to repeat 2016 every two years. Sadly, this is the new normal. They aren’t going to abandon this rhetoric because a narrow majority of the country barely edged out a win after they enjoyed four years of unchecked power. They are going to run Trump, or someone who uses the same tactics again and again and again.

Because it fucking worked.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 07, 2020, 05:53:08 AM
Giuliani is promoting some crazy shit as well.

Not that he was wasn't a piece of shit with his broken windows /zero tolerance bullshit, but he had a strong image from his response to 9-11. He could have just sat back and lived a quiet life where his faults would have been overlooked by most people.

Instead, he seems willing to lie, subvert the Dept of State, jerk off for 15 year old girls, and poison American democracy.

I don't know how we come back from this. The GOP has gone off the rails. And the followers love it. 70 million Americans voted Trump that is insane.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 07, 2020, 07:34:10 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/jpqj8i/trump_supporters_holding_blue_lives_matter_flags/

never forget
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 07, 2020, 07:46:51 AM
Giuliani is promoting some crazy shit as well.

Not that he was wasn't a piece of shit with his broken windows /zero tolerance bullshit, but he had a strong image from his response to 9-11. He could have just sat back and lived a quiet life where his faults would have been overlooked by most people.

Instead, he seems willing to lie, subvert the Dept of State, jerk off for 15 year old girls, and poison American democracy.

I don't know how we come back from this. The GOP has gone off the rails. And the followers love it. 70 million Americans voted Trump that is insane.

in days past, this would have been a huge deal. motherfucker
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 07, 2020, 08:26:43 AM
CNN called it.

Joseph R. Biden Jr. Elected 46th President of The United States Of America
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 07, 2020, 08:37:05 AM
We did it guys. We slayed the dragon and all we had to do was fill out a little bubble with a pen.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Gnarfunkell on November 07, 2020, 08:44:08 AM
Holy fuck y'all... we BARELY did it.

2020 really showed that drump and his sycophants can literally do anything with no consequences, and I was horrified by what they would do with another 4 years.

FUCK YOU TRUMP.

YOU'RE FIRED
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Lou Strux on November 07, 2020, 08:49:01 AM
Kick rocks, ya’ fukkkin’ orange clown!
Beat it.
Scram!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: YungJugg on November 07, 2020, 08:49:27 AM
Let’s fucking gooo
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 07, 2020, 08:50:39 AM
"Bye bye dickhead!"
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GreenWealthyCoqui-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 07, 2020, 08:53:58 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/h760PmB/Screenshot-20201107-114730.jpg)

Oh, it is going to suck for Trump when he loses his immunity and Barr's ability to turn the DOJ into his own personal law firm. And, oh the 300+ million Trump owes the German bank and the 100 million he owes the IRS should be coming due very soon.

He'll make an insane amount of money from speaking engagements, but it will be nice to see Trump unable to hide from all the problems he's made for himself.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 07, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
Kick rocks, ya’ fukkkin’ orange clown!
Beat it.
Scram!
AMSCRAY!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: blurst_of_times on November 07, 2020, 09:03:50 AM
Fuck yeah! This is huge, but it also is important to remember that there's still a lot ahead of us. Mitch Mc-fucking-Connell is still here and the SCOTUS is stacked in the right's favor. And speaking for myself, Biden isn't going to save us. There's still a lot of work ahead of us as a country.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 07, 2020, 09:14:37 AM
What a relief. Day one should be legalize marijuana. We all need a stress free toke after the last four years.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 07, 2020, 09:18:20 AM
I haven't been this happy in 4 years and in the last few months I've filmed tricks I wanted for over 20 years - this still feels better! FUUUUUUUUUCKIN' BEAT IT TRUMP! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Biggest loser in history.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 07, 2020, 09:25:00 AM
Don't get it twisted, we're still gonna hold Biden accountable, but the orange loser is finally outta there
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on November 07, 2020, 09:39:00 AM
Was going to start another thread to announce it's official but whatever it is official that orange turd is fired!!!!!!  Now let's hold Biden/Harris to task for the promises they say they're going to do. I am hopeful for everyone and honestly don't care about whiny Qanon trolls and their rhetoric.

I hate/love being mindful as it is a greater reflection of compassion/humility and recognizing your own flaws within your own self, what now for Trump?! while most of you guy's will hear occasional news from wherever you guys are from but for those in Floriduh it will be a shit show of Rednecks here now..... Trumps land

I genuinely feel sad for his upbringing and the creepy lecherous scum who created this entitled perpetual child who has never faced responsibility for the terrible business practices, scams, blackmail he's privy to and has on others or others own against him.

I predict Melania is going to abscond with her boy toy beforehand with his son Baron also a generous payout Trump wil be coddled in Palm Beach which he'll definitely have security around him. His kids will either milk it till he kicks the bucket then a shit talking tell my dad made me do this etec blah blah or they're going to run their dad's business in to the ground.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 07, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
I haven't been this happy in 4 years
You said a mouthful there brah
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: blurst_of_times on November 07, 2020, 09:56:33 AM
Also, fuck yes for Kamala Harris, the first woman + first woman of color as a VP!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Digital Rasta on November 07, 2020, 09:56:49 AM
The Russians are gonna hold Trump down and tattoo a big L on his forehead
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: InternetDaddy on November 07, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhkZMxgPxXU

The horse is finally gonna leave the hospital
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on November 07, 2020, 10:08:51 AM
The Russians are gonna hold Trump down and tattoo a big L on his forehead
Wouldn't at all be surprised he leaves and they take care of him, case and point when Ida Amin was usurped from power in Uganda he was left alone with Qaddafi's palace taken care of real boss like.

The fact the republican's have been reduced to a bunch of knuckle dragging racists by Trumo say's alot, the GOP really need to reevaluate their own stance to catch up with the times. This country and it's people deserve greater equality and for fucks sake a living wage that we don't have to struggle 2 jobs to pay for a place.

Lets ask ourselves this when was the last time you went on holiday with family or homies for that 2 weeks you've earned? I can't remember I think the last one was maybe in the 90's late 80's where a $20 bill could support you for at least a week is a distant memory.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 07, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
Poor Biden is going to have a fucking tough job lifting the country up during a full blown pandemic with half of the population no following his recommendations.

But anyway, I hope the orange crybaby faces some real legal consequences in the years to follow.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mongoloid on November 07, 2020, 10:12:18 AM
Stacey Abrams for mvp! What a champion of democracy. A true American!

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 07, 2020, 10:12:38 AM
Congratulations Joe Budden!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmPVh8TVkAcXKTQ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on November 07, 2020, 10:17:01 AM
Stacey Abrams for mvp! What a champion of democracy. A true American!


Lol
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Coastal Fever on November 07, 2020, 10:25:45 AM
Watching the past 4 years unfold from Canada has been nerve wracking as well.  As we’ve started to see the sheer ignorance, hatred, greed, and fascism displayed in the States spilling over to our side of the border.  Thank god we can all feel like we have a fresh start.  Fucking proud of all you US pals who voted blue.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Gritty on November 07, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
WE DID IT. Shout out to each and every one of you that voted biden. We can all get some sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on November 07, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I’m so stoked that Trump is out. Biden was the nominee, I’m glad the party rallied behind him and got this done.

With that said, the Democratic Party needs a reckoning as much or likely more than the republicans. Democrats absolutely ate shit down ballot, ESPECIALLY when they tried to play themselves off as moderate and “friend of the conservatives”. The myth of flipping republican voters  by being wishy washy on key issues and not taking a firm stance was repeatedly disproved by election results. If a republican has to choose between republican and almost-republican, they’re just going to pick their candidate. On top of this, potential voters on the left lose enthusiasm, can’t be bothered to vote/organize for their candidate, etc.

Meanwhile, “progressive” ballot initiatives (15$ minimum wage, decriminalization) and “progressive” candidates who stuck to their message and explicitly noted what they would be doing for the public cleaned up.

Finally, this election showed that there are no predetermined parties based on race anymore (nor should their ever have been), and that just assuming that you’ll receive the black, Asian, Latino, or any racial group’s vote without doing any work for their community just because of the D next to your name is an awful strategy.

It sucks, but these are conversations that need to be had on day one, rather than waiting until 2021/22 when it’ll be too close to the midterms and we can’t critique candidates or strategy because “party unity” and “important election”.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pugmaster on November 07, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
And one day, they will erect a presidential library in Trump's name. And it shall be filled with picture books and pop up books.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sleazy on November 07, 2020, 11:15:14 AM
WE DID IT. Shout out to each and every one of you that voted biden. We can all get some sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mesteezo on November 07, 2020, 11:52:21 AM
I really don't understand the Trumpers that are saying "b-b-but how could Biden get more votes than OBAMA?! OBVIOUS FRAUD!"

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: too fakie on November 07, 2020, 12:00:22 PM
I really don't understand the Trumpers that are saying "b-b-but how could Biden get more votes than OBAMA?! OBVIOUS FRAUD!"

I really don’t understand how 7 million MORE people voted for Trump the second time around. Can you imagine actually being able to say something like “first time around I wasn’t sure, but these past 4 years have co convinced me  Trump is our guy.”
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 07, 2020, 12:08:06 PM
In the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets.  Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now.  And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.”  Lulz indeed
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mongoloid on November 07, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
Let me preface this by saying that I’m so stoked that Trump is out. Biden was the nominee, I’m glad the party rallied behind him and got this done.

With that said, the Democratic Party needs a reckoning as much or likely more than the republicans. Democrats absolutely ate shit down ballot, ESPECIALLY when they tried to play themselves off as moderate and “friend of the conservatives”. The myth of flipping republican voters  by being wishy washy on key issues and not taking a firm stance was repeatedly disproved by election results. If a republican has to choose between republican and almost-republican, they’re just going to pick their candidate. On top of this, potential voters on the left lose enthusiasm, can’t be bothered to vote/organize for their candidate, etc.

Meanwhile, “progressive” ballot initiatives (15$ minimum wage, decriminalization) and “progressive” candidates who stuck to their message and explicitly noted what they would be doing for the public cleaned up.

Finally, this election showed that there are no predetermined parties based on race anymore (nor should their ever have been), and that just assuming that you’ll receive the black, Asian, Latino, or any racial group’s vote without doing any work for their community just because of the D next to your name is an awful strategy.

It sucks, but these are conversations that need to be had on day one, rather than waiting until 2021/22 when it’ll be too close to the midterms and we can’t critique candidates or strategy because “party unity” and “important election”.

Meanwhile the mainstream media pundits across the board are trying to claim that only centrist left policies are what people want, and that everyone is frightened entirely by progressive policy.

Infuriating, and untrue. Some of this shit is urgent! Healthcare and Climate policy are time sensitive matters.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on November 07, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
In the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets.  Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now.  And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.”  Lulz indeed
How do you do that without losing brain cells? He's 74 with the emotional intelligence of a toddler. He has only been rewarded for his tantrums all of his life. At some point you have to become responsible for your actions, but he has never been punished for anything. He's just a giant petulent child.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: VHS ERA on November 07, 2020, 12:22:47 PM
Street parties goin crazy all over the city. To be clear we’re celebrating getting rid of Trump not because we love Biden
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 07, 2020, 12:24:27 PM
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In the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets.  Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now.  And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.”  Lulz indeed
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How do you do that without losing brain cells? He's 74 with the emotional intelligence of a toddler. He has only been rewarded for his tantrums all of his life. At some point you have to become responsible for your actions, but he has never been punished for anything. He's just a giant petulent child.

Agree 100%.  I could only do it because he lost. 
I guess it’s like fail videos.  I never think any video of somebody trying to progress(skating/motorcycle racing/figure skating/etc) but when two dummies run at each other with excercise balls I laugh when one gets bounced through the drywall or breaks an arm.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: behavioralguide on November 07, 2020, 02:07:44 PM
silver lining to trump presidency:

fraud accusations leave trumps fanbase disillusioned with ''democracy'' and so the majority will never vote again

unless/untill any trump will run again that is
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ungzilla on November 07, 2020, 03:13:16 PM
bobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve


https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 07, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
bobby's really reaching to make that BJ joke
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Nosferatu on November 07, 2020, 03:54:43 PM
RIP John Lewis
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHS_iLdBaDz/?igshid=e2tai4oudrkp
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 07, 2020, 03:55:22 PM
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on November 07, 2020, 04:06:57 PM
just because we have some woke poser as president now doesn't mean anything is going to change, i mean you really think the corporations that run this country would ever let real change happen? the rich stay rich, the poor stay poor and bombs keep dropping on brown people no matter who the president is
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 07, 2020, 04:20:08 PM
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?
The trump crazy friends of mine on Facebook have been much quieter than they would have been with the opposite result.  I certainly wasn’t expecting humbled acknowledgments of a race well lost, but I was hoping for more voter fraud allegations. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 07, 2020, 04:25:10 PM
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?
The trump crazy friends of mine on Facebook have been much quieter than they would have been with the opposite result.  I certainly wasn’t expecting humbled acknowledgments of a race well lost, but I was hoping for more voter fraud allegations. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 07, 2020, 04:29:10 PM
Happy for all of you in the States. Hell, I'm happy for the whole world.

Because of the hatred and intolerance that Trump represents, I haven't been to the US since he was elected. I didn't feel like I'd be welcomed or even feel safe. But hopefully there'll be a more positive social climate in the future, and after COVID dies down I'll be able to visit California and other places I've always wanted to see.

Just hope everyone celebrating outside masks up...this victory's gonna be bittersweet if the number of cases/deaths explode.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 07, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
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Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?
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The trump crazy friends of mine on Facebook have been much quieter than they would have been with the opposite result.  I certainly wasn’t expecting humbled acknowledgments of a race well lost, but I was hoping for more voter fraud allegations.

I just checked a few of the facebook pages of people I unfollowed/unfriended because of pro-Trump or far right posts, and wouldn't you know it - they deleted any trace of the stuff they had posted previously. All of a sudden the most recent post was 9 months ago. I assume there's gonna be a lot of people pretending they never supported Trump. I sure as hell won't forget who backed him.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 07, 2020, 04:36:27 PM
Am I looking in the wrong places or have the alt right been fairly quiet after all this? Or are we looking at a bunch of violence ahead of us?

Mate that is just tactics without strategy and we all know tactics without strategy is merely the noise before defeat
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 07, 2020, 05:27:23 PM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHRhRBPBwq3/?igshid=mtk63rgoy2wo

Fire and Fury
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Acky Jacky on November 07, 2020, 05:36:09 PM
bobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve


https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6

This reminds me of Hannibal Buress’ joke about how someone told him it was ordained by god that it was 44 years between when Martin Luther King was assassinated and when Obama became president, because he is the 44th president. He imitated god saying “44 years, 44th president...that shit would be cool as hell yo.”
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: h00man on November 07, 2020, 06:13:21 PM
We did it everyone! Congrats to everyone for pulling through with this! Biden gave an amazing speech. Unlike Trump, Biden condemns our division and hatred for each other, and wants us to unite again. Already on track for a great president. Trump, would NOT have said the same. He would have ridiculed, and verbally tortured Biden, and us, the Americans that voted for him. He can fuck his fat fuck face.

Anyway I'm still going to ridicule the fuck out of Biden when he does dumbass shit, but we all know it aint gonna come close to the dumbass shit Trump did.

It's been 4 fucking years....seemed like a forever ago.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 07, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
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bobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve


https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6
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This reminds me of Hannibal Buress’ joke about how someone told him it was ordained by god that it was 44 years between when Martin Luther King was assassinated and when Obama became president, because he is the 44th president. He imitated god saying “44 years, 44th president...that shit would be cool as hell yo.”

If this is all orchestrated, and their goal is to divide and conquer, they would have kept Trump in. He's been the most divisive president of our lifetime.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 07, 2020, 06:52:05 PM
Well, hopefully the news and social media won't be so complicit in spreading vitriol and lies now that Trump has lost. The corporate media, however, has had record ratings the last 4 years. It would/will be nice for the collective consciousness of the USA to not have to eat that pile of frustration, anger, confusion, and violence though. Let's see how that unfolds. All the platforms could have dropped the guy for the sake of the world.

As for J'Biden and Kamala, I don't expect anything monumental to happen other than, again, not having to listen to the supposed leader of the free world threaten to rain chaos upon its citizens.

While I'm not particularly hopeful, it would be good to see Liz Warren head the SEC, Bernie head the Dept of Labor, and Beto and Pete nowhere were National levels of power! What would be most important, to set precedent, is to not only remove the actors but through executive order, repeal the laws/actions set in place. Immediately halt the opening of Tongass forest, kick the fuckers out of Bears Ears. Make it known the corruption of the FDA, Dept. of Commerce, EPA, Interior Dept, and negate EVERY CONTRACT GRANTED during the Trump years while outlining the illegal and improper business ties and conflicts of interest. Tear down the sections of the border wall and televise it. Maybe J'Biden could actually acknowledge that without the Black vote, Trump would still be in office. Fuck, maybe, through executive order, send Americans a FAT stimulus check. Pack the fucking court.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: offkilter on November 07, 2020, 07:18:56 PM
bobby puleo as usual ahead of the curve


https://www.instagram.com/p/CHTHoh4FbsY/?igshid=dzaj0ryvlhs6

PILLARS
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on November 07, 2020, 08:03:44 PM
Glad Trump’s crazy ass is on his way out, but I find it hard to get excited about Biden beyond the “He’s not trump” aspect of it. Not a fan of Harris either but she lowkey thick.

The only good thing about Trump’s presidency was that he was such a absurd figure that we’re probably past the days of judging candidates by ridiculous standards of character. So if you fucked up at 19, the bullshit redemption arc through Jesus is probably unnecessary when you are 45 looking to win a political seat. “Trump was grabbing pussies months before he decided to run, I cheated on one exam 25 years ago, fuck off”.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 07, 2020, 08:20:40 PM
Really stoked that Biden repeatedly mentioned science and education. I know a lot of teachers appreciated him mentioning them specifically and the fact that his wife is a teacher shows it's something he is in touch with. Felt fucking good to hear the main man talk in a coherent and competent way after 4 years of verbal diarrhea.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 07, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
In the last 3 hours I read through the last week of trumps tweets.  Much less scary funny and much more schaudenfreude Funny now.  And his last tweet(I think?) had me giggling out loud in a public space, sitting alone. “I won this election, by a lot.”  Lulz indeed
Exactly how I have felt about his statements this week. He started by shooting himself in foot one toe at a time and then just shot gunned the other foot off.

Anyone else seeing Trump flags around them still?? Didn't see a single one and everyone around here flew one. Even the mother fuckers working on the freeway were flying one, your tax dollars at work. A house out here took theirs down, also saw a truck with two flag poles and mysteriously they had no flags.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: L33Tg33k on November 07, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
I'm surprised Trump knows a lot is two words.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 07, 2020, 08:51:58 PM
We did it! We voted out the guy that had this country so racially and politically divided and elected a man and woman who wants to bring together this country with decency and compassion for ALL Americans! Cheers!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on November 07, 2020, 09:04:07 PM
you must be like 12, right
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Mouth on November 07, 2020, 09:07:44 PM
He's not wrong...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on November 07, 2020, 09:13:05 PM
you guys have way, way, WAY more faith in elected officials than me. the first time i voted was in 2008 and both parties have tried their absolute unabated hardest to kick my teeth in since then.

trump is a win for the megarich, biden is a win for the megarich.

fucking duh, dude
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 07, 2020, 09:40:30 PM
you guys have way, way, WAY more faith in elected officials than me. the first time i voted was in 2008 and both parties have tried their absolute unabated hardest to kick my teeth in since then.

trump is a win for the megarich, biden is a win for the megarich.

fucking duh, dude

I agree life has gotten harder for most of us (and that I feel much safer in Canada than I did the US). But, I'm sorry the two parties are not equal.

A vote for Trump is a vote for crony capitalism and a leader who appears to be morphing into someone who is cross between a fascist dictator and Silvio Berlusconi. Trump is man who is currently trying to sow doubt in our democracy in order to benefit himself. He is currently trying to rip the nation to shreds for his own benefit.

Biden is moderate as fuck and isn't perfect. He isn't going to be Bernie Sanders or whatever politician in Iceland it was who nationalized the banks there... but the era of both parties being the same is over. This might of have been closer to reality in the 90s (or if we had a Clinton v Romney election this year), but it isn't true anymore. 

I'll get to worrying about how to keep Biden aligned with the left wing of the Dem party next week. For right now, I'm just going to bask in the fact that Biden won and he openly states he wants to be the president for everyone... not just the few.



(And, Trump openly fucking hated those who have my job. He mentioned my profession multiple times in his crazy ass speeches and made me the enemy. Fuck him.)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on November 07, 2020, 09:49:50 PM
so do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing that dick cheney is gonna be in the white house again? is this what progress looks like? even a little bit??????
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 07, 2020, 10:03:43 PM
likely falsehood

I'm sorry, but this is very unlikely to be true. The only source that comes up is an obviously fake anti-Biden Twitter account.

The propaganda from the fake account seems like it is attempt to pull left-wing support from a candidate who is going to reach out across the aisle (John McCain's wife is part of the Biden transition team) and other fake accounts are attempting to divide Biden from his support via some pro-war bullshit. 

The only legitimate story that mentions Cheney visiting the White House in any capacity is one that mentions Pence invited Cheney to the White House (and Pence regularly speaks with Biden and Cheney).

Edit: I'm going back to enjoying the moment. I'll take you off ignore sometime next week.
Edit II: It should be noted McCain told Republicans not to vote Trump and endorsed Biden.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 07, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
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you guys have way, way, WAY more faith in elected officials than me. the first time i voted was in 2008 and both parties have tried their absolute unabated hardest to kick my teeth in since then.

trump is a win for the megarich, biden is a win for the megarich.

fucking duh, dude
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I'm sorry, but no.

A vote for Trump is a vote for crony capitalism and a leader who appears to be morphing into someone who is cross between a fascist dictator and Silvio Berlusconi.

Trump is man who is currently trying to sow doubt in our democracy in order to benefit himself. He is currently trying to rip the nation to shreds for his own benefit.

Biden is moderate as fuck and isn't perfect. He isn't going to be Bernie Sanders or whatever politician in Iceland it was who nationalized the banks there...
...but the era of both parties being the same is over. This might of held some water in the 90s (or if we had a Clinton v Romney election this year), but not anymore.

For right now, I'm just going to bask in the fact that Biden won and he openly states he wants to be the president for everyone... not just the few. I'll get to worrying about how to keep him aligned with the left wing of the Dem party and how he governs if the Republicans gain a majority in the house later.


(And, Trump openly fucking hated those who have my job. He mentioned my profession multiple times in his crazy ass speeches and made me the fucking enemy. Fuck him.)
Right. The scale that measures both parties elected leaders are no longer even when taking into account the pro's and con's of each side, just as the Union and the Confederacy were not two equal but different systems of beliefs. You can argue that there is no such thing as morals but to live with one another the human race cannot survive without a system of guidelines for what is ok and what is not.

Donald Trump and the republican party have not only denied scientific fact, but has openly gone against it. We are at a point in human history where we have NO reason to doubt the methods of science. You CAN question studies and facts, but the only way to prove it wrong is with more science that answers those questions. That is not what they and specifically Trump did regarding covid. He denied science because he believed the effects of shutting down would reflect on him personally along with the republican party and he did so selfishly.

When he addressed race, he wouldn't call out white supremacists, groups like the proud boys etc. George Bush was not the greatest president but if you think after condemning the attack he would add that there were bad people on both sides you are smoking crack. He didn't give an inch to the BLM movement. Any other republican leader would have addressed that there are valid complaints and concerns by the BLM movement but they would added that looting and violence were not the answer, he just flat out denied that there is a problem with systemic racism in America.

Before, during, and after the election, Donald Trump and many republican hanger-ons attempted to undermine and discredit the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law that is the basis for our entire government structure, specifically the 12th amendment. This was not done because of credible social issues and or problems with the systems in place as we see with guns/shootings and the 2nd amendment. It was openly and unashamedly done because the guy didn't want to stop being President. His behavior this week is one of the most disgusting examples of selfishness and egomania the world has ever seen. This is no longer a reality TV star who "tells it like it is", this is the most powerful person in the world crying foul because he doesn't want to lose.

The only positive to come out of this is the fact that he went so far off his rocker that it is in no way defensible and did more harm than good to his party's behavior. It was actually the best way for all this to end. He acted like a dictator and in the end he goes out crying like a fucking child who starts breaking their toys because he is upset, leaving a scarlet letter on everyone who supported him or stood by and did nothing these past 4 years.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on November 07, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
so that makes biden a good guy
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: blurst_of_times on November 07, 2020, 11:01:45 PM
so that makes biden a good guy
No one has said that.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: behavioralguide on November 08, 2020, 01:57:30 AM
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so that makes biden a good guy
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No one has said that.

I think thats his point
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 08, 2020, 03:44:37 AM
Four seasons total landscaping are you fucking kidding me I am dead
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: able on November 08, 2020, 04:06:52 AM
https://youtu.be/FNTEBKKQ1ck
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jay_nev on November 08, 2020, 05:54:09 AM
Four seasons total landscaping are you fucking kidding me I am dead
unbelievable.

(https://i.ibb.co/NtJ8GhX/86-DC448-C-9-F5-A-4-D6-D-BBE7-7-A7718-BEBFBC.png) (https://ibb.co/NtJ8GhX)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 08, 2020, 06:50:10 AM
only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ungzilla on November 08, 2020, 07:01:54 AM
i allowed myself one day of mild elation and have come back to my baseline level of creeping existential dread it's tight
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 08, 2020, 07:48:09 AM
Mississippi no longer has a confederate flag on their state flag.
Nevada amended their constitution to protect same sex marriages (the first to do so)
As well as:

the first openly bisexual mayor (Christy Holstege, Palm Springs CA)
the first gay black congressman (rep-elect Ritchie Torres, New York-15)
the first non-binary representative / the first Muslim to serve OK state legislature (rep-elect Maurer Turner, Oklahoma-88)
and the first trans senator (Sarah McBride, Delaware).
The first black VP.
The first female VP.

In every state where marijuana legalization (or another drug policy reform was on the ballot), it won.

We have more to celebrate than just Trump losing.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: mclovin1336 on November 08, 2020, 08:03:39 AM
https://youtu.be/FNTEBKKQ1ck

(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/NINTCHDBPICT000616214884.jpg?w=960)

doesnt seem very anti-trump here, theres also a tweet where hes supporting eric trump.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 08, 2020, 08:43:35 AM
you must be like 12, right

No, I’m someone who was sick and tired of the political and racial divide in this country that was at its absolute worst since I’ve been able to vote which includes the last 7 presidential elections. Do I think Biden and Harris are the end to our countries problems? Of course not. Do I know they are politicians playing a political game, of course I do. However, with that being said, I do believe having them in office will be a step in the right direction to help curb the social injustices that have been perpetuated by the last president in office. This is not some fairy tale victory, but it is a step in the right direction in my opinion.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on November 08, 2020, 08:45:58 AM
only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...



this.....

lol Biden is literally the reason why black people and poc are in the position they're in today and people are celebrating this douche. like i said this dude is a complete phony poser. you are a fucking person if you believe "change" is coming just because he has a black woman as VP
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sandygoat on November 08, 2020, 08:52:48 AM
It is a step in the right direction but they kinda beansed it. The supreme court is now towards to the republicans and the Senate is republican. Not to even talk about the sexual assault allegations. Personally I'm tired of people talking about how the political system is fucked etc and then praise Biden. I think the people behind him can do some good but I don't have faith in Biden himself.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 08, 2020, 09:01:34 AM
It is a step in the right direction but they kinda beansed it. The supreme court is now towards to the republicans and the Senate is republican. Not to even talk about the sexual assault allegations. Personally I'm tired of people talking about how the political system is fucked etc and then praise Biden. I think the people behind him can do some good but I don't have faith in Biden himself.

I agree. He is not the end all to this nations problems by any means. For a lot of people it was just a boiling point with all the division and unrest that has built up over the last four years. Any other direction would seem to be a step in a better direction on paper.

For the record, I am one of the very rare Americans that are not blindly party loyal. As a matter of fact I have voted  three different parties in the presidential elections. Democrat, Republican and Libertarian. I vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 08, 2020, 09:05:35 AM
I vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.

That's the idea.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 08, 2020, 09:09:33 AM
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I vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.
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That's the idea.

Thank you. I wish more people agreed and voted this way.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Allen. on November 08, 2020, 09:27:42 AM
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I vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.
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That's the idea.
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Thank you. I wish more people agreed and voted this way.

Agreed. I also wish more people participated in mid-term elections/primaries/local elections etc in order to elevate better candidates to the top, but... I digress.
There has GOT to be better than these geriatrics.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sandygoat on November 08, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
I wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 08, 2020, 10:03:50 AM
only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...

You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.

Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: offkilter on November 08, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/0FPq1jn/20201108-110052.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5nqTCW1)

The GOP posted this hotline to call in evidence of voter fraud, I let them know that I have first hand evidence of fraud down at the SAWCON here in Arizona.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 08, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/0FPq1jn/20201108-110052.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5nqTCW1)

The GOP posted this hotline to call in evidence of voter fraud, I let them know that I have first hand evidence of fraud down at the SAWCON here in Arizona.

hahaha, perfect.




Regarding Biden's "disagreeable past" in contrast to Trump's current day attitude; yeah, it's a pretty stark contrast but that doesn't mean it's inappropriate to dig into his past views when they influenced policies that are still relevant today. Biden has a troubled history that can be traced to current social issues being fought for today. It's great that he's changed his mind on certain issues but he still needs to be held to the flames on what he's done throughout his career because those issues won't go away when he's sworn in.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 08, 2020, 10:24:36 AM
I wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.
We will for sure see us getting back on track in regards to climate change, at least compared to the last 4 years. I'm hopeful because of his repeated mentioning of having to trust and use science to guide us in the future. It's pretty stupid that people think it's not a good idea for companies to start shifting towards renewable energy. It makes good sense for business and the planet long term.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 08, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
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I vote for who I feel is the most qualified of the choices I have at the time, which unfortunately in my lifetime has been pretty slim. I do what I feel is the best with the choices I have.
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That's the idea.
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Thank you. I wish more people agreed and voted this way.
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Agreed. I also wish more people participated in mid-term elections/primaries/local elections etc in order to elevate better candidates to the top, but... I digress.
There has GOT to be better than these geriatrics.

100%. I’m always blown away by the people that only vote in the presidential elections (if at all, ugh), when the Gubernatorial, local elections and state propositions directly affect their lives more.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 08, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
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I wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.
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We will for sure see us getting back on track in regards to climate change, at least compared to the last 4 years. I'm hopeful because of his repeated mentioning of having to trust and use science to guide us in the future. It's pretty stupid that people think it's not a good idea for companies to start shifting towards renewable energy. It makes good sense for business and the planet long term.
india and china are who really contributes to climate change and they’re never gonna slow down
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: larryhagman on November 08, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
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I wish Bernie was still in just because of his climate change policies. Hopefully Biden has to step down and kamala can actually push stuff that matters for the future.
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We will for sure see us getting back on track in regards to climate change, at least compared to the last 4 years. I'm hopeful because of his repeated mentioning of having to trust and use science to guide us in the future. It's pretty stupid that people think it's not a good idea for companies to start shifting towards renewable energy. It makes good sense for business and the planet long term.
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india and china are who really contributes to climate change and they’re never gonna slow down
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/CO2_emissions_per_capita%2C_2017_%28Our_World_in_Data%29.svg)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 08, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

Surprised india isn’t higher but with the way they’re building up china and the lack of regulations they have it’s gonna get a lot worse
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on November 08, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
don't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.

don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY

you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.

not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 08, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago

Hopefully this

https://www.france24.com/en/20200728-work-begins-in-france-to-recreate-process-that-powers-the-sun
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 08, 2020, 12:09:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0FPq1jn/20201108-110052.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5nqTCW1)

The GOP posted this hotline to call in evidence of voter fraud, I let them know that I have first hand evidence of fraud down at the SAWCON here in Arizona.

Reported Trump for telling his followers to vote twice. Linked them to WaPo video of Trump asking his followers to vote twice.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: behavioralguide on November 08, 2020, 12:10:43 PM
don't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.

don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY

you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.

not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.

About that forrest, I think I read somewhere large portions are dying from diseases/infestations due to a monoculture of fast growing species.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on November 08, 2020, 12:18:15 PM
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don't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.

don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY

you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.

not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.
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About that forrest, I think I read somewhere large portions are dying from diseases/infestations due to a monoculture of fast growing species.
ah, figures...

would have been too perfect if something worked.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 08, 2020, 01:32:24 PM
don't forget that emission trades might screw up the data. not sure if that goes in there. the way i understand it that china bought up a lot of emissions so western countries make the cut while they are massively winding down their fossile industries. but who knows what's actually going on and who's got the right data.

don't get me wrong, the human rights situation in china is fucked, but they did this for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECxeRzJ2sY

you can also look up china green wall on google and find articles about it.

not saying it's effective, but it's something. granted, this is impossible in some western states, especially in europe, where people are too clogged together. anyways, i just wish our governments would do more than sell emission certificates to play time until they have some sort of genius magic idea how to halt climate change and keep energy levels up while they should have started decades ago and now seem catatonic when confronted with the fact they won't make the cut for their own agreements that they initially put up to pressure second and third world countries into compliance to exploit them even cheaper.

you don't need to campaign for a large reforestation effort ... you just need to go vegan and nature will quickly reclaim the land that will be left behind after we no longer need to feed so much cattle etc.

it's quite simple really ... when meat consumption falls down to a certain point, cattle farming will become economically unsustainable and most people will be forced to ditch it purely out of financial reasons
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 08, 2020, 02:07:14 PM
so do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing that dick cheney is gonna be in the white house again? is this what progress looks like? even a little bit??????

say more. what about Cheney in the White House again?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 08, 2020, 03:11:01 PM
Cheney is going to be an advisor for how we deal with the ME. We are now going to gear up the war machine and start killing defenseless people in the ME. But we got rid of Trump, amirite?!


I look forward to the kooks because I can see past the hype of getting rid of one horribly racist president and replacing him with another that just has better PR people.

Knowing that Biden has already had contact with DICK CHENEY of all people makes me SO glad that I just didn't bother to vote this time.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: able on November 08, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
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(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/NINTCHDBPICT000616214884.jpg?w=960)

doesnt seem very anti-trump here, theres also a tweet where hes supporting eric trump.
You right wing asshats trashing Van Jones truly emotional speech have no idea what it’s like to be a minority in this country and the damage the last 4 years have done. Shame on you for being so apathetic, so partisan, and so heartless.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 08, 2020, 03:57:48 PM
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only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
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You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.

Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.

wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: able on November 08, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
Yeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 08, 2020, 04:12:41 PM
Yeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic

that's all it takes to negate his history, eh? "Flawless, logic"

fuck, even that predictable rag the NYT knew they had to get out in front of this shit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.html
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 08, 2020, 04:13:00 PM
Yeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic

The way he talks about African Americans and calls them a 'special kind of predator' is racist. He might've changed his toon when he was on the ticket with Obama, but it doesn't change the horribly racist stuff he said..

It's almost like he changed his views because he knows he wouldn't have been elected president otherwise.


Anyway, I've said my bit. I don't want to fight with people on the net.

Truthfully, I'd rather have Biden over Trump. I just hope we can get a better candidate next time. One who didn't eulogize a member of the KKK. I know, I know, Byrd regretted that too.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 08, 2020, 04:17:17 PM
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only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
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You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.

Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.
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wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...

You know, a big part of progress is being able to have an adult discussion without stooping to insults or flipping out on people who you are talking with. If your go-to response is to call people fucking hypocrites etc, you’re not mature enough for the discussion to begin with.
People change. Lots of people regret decisions they’ve made in the past and work hard to do better. But you’re probably right, the guy with a black female VP who was himself VP for a black president is totally a racist. No way he changed over 30 years. Makes sense.  ;D
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: 50mm on November 08, 2020, 04:22:04 PM
I haven’t seen shit about Dick Cheney besides a single tweet from some random account claiming CNN said it. Also supposedly that Cheney encouraged Biden to run, but that was reported during the previous election and Biden didn’t run. Just bullshit to stir the pot. The only other thing you will see about Dick Cheney and Joe Biden is an article where they are comparing the transition teams actions to those of Bush’s during the recount fiasco with Al Gore.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 08, 2020, 04:22:32 PM
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only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
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You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.

Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.
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wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...
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You know, a big part of progress is being able to have an adult discussion without stooping to insults or flipping out on people who you are talking with. If your go-to response is to call people fucking hypocrites etc, you’re not mature enough for the discussion to begin with.
People change. Lots of people regret decisions they’ve made in the past and work hard to do better. But you’re probably right, the guy with a black female VP who was himself VP for a black president is totally a racist. No way he changed over 30 years. Makes sense.  ;D

No, it's better to proclaim yourself as more mature and then give negative feedback to people who don't hold your exact opinion.  ;)

And I'm sure the men that are currently sitting in prison because of Biden's bill can sleep peacefully at night - in their cell -knowing that Biden is now the president.

Don't even get me started on Kamala and her prison labor program which kept people incarcerated longer than their sentence required.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 08, 2020, 04:41:54 PM
bullshit

No evidence of this. I've already debunked this bullshit once (in this thread).

And, let me make this really clear...

...Biden isn't perfect but anyone who is going to come here and promote some craziness that Trump isn't insanely racist, corrupt, and incompetent is fucking crazy. Around the world people are dancing in the streets because Trump lost power. Even now Trump doesn't have the decency to attempt to bring the country together. Instead, he is actively taking the nation apart because he is terrified about what his life will be without all his legal protections, the ability spend our tax money on his resorts, and his ability to accept bribes from corporations and foreign governments (via his hotel).

Not mention, the Republicans voted against the Biden(D)-Hatch(R) crime bill because it was too "soft" for them. Jeff Sessions (Trump's first AG) proposed a bill to have marijuana offenses punishable by death. And, Sessions first order of business was to undo all the progress Obama/Biden accomplished during their tenure.

Fuck any attempt to get the left to turn on Biden. We are going to keep tabs on him and make sure he promotes the causes he needs to promote... but no one is fucking fooled who the villains are in this story.

(https://i.ibb.co/n0D0s9C/Screen-Shot-2020-11-08-at-7-37-17-PM.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Mba8ncBso
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 08, 2020, 04:48:39 PM
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The way he talks about African Americans and calls them a 'special kind of predator' is racist. He might've changed his toon when he was on the ticket with Obama, but it doesn't change the horribly racist stuff he said..

It's almost like he changed his views because he knows he wouldn't have been elected president otherwise.


Anyway, I've said my bit. I don't want to fight with people on the net.

Truthfully, I'd rather have Biden over Trump. I just hope we can get a better candidate next time. One who didn't eulogize a member of the KKK. I know, I know, Byrd regretted that too.

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Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 08, 2020, 04:55:38 PM
No evidence of what?

Biden calling AAs 'special predators'?
https://youtu.be/0DcN6wNKxZA

Biden didn't eulogize a known member of the KKK?
https://youtu.be/FqO_LiKjJjk

Or Kamala and the Prison extended prison sentence?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-climate-danger-of-kamala-harris-prison-labor-legacy/ar-BB17XW0f

What part of all of that was Bullshit? I want to make sure that the truth comes to light.



Still glad I didn't vote. Both candidates were scum. I stick to that. Yes, Trump was an extra special kind of Scum. That doesn't mean Biden, by virtue of comparison, is somehow not scum. He's still scum.

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Yeah, the dude who was Vice President for the first black President is a racist. Flawless, logic
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The way he talks about African Americans and calls them a 'special kind of predator' is racist. He might've changed his toon when he was on the ticket with Obama, but it doesn't change the horribly racist stuff he said..

It's almost like he changed his views because he knows he wouldn't have been elected president otherwise.


Anyway, I've said my bit. I don't want to fight with people on the net.

Truthfully, I'd rather have Biden over Trump. I just hope we can get a better candidate next time. One who didn't eulogize a member of the KKK. I know, I know, Byrd regretted that too.
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*sigh*

Anything for the GOTCHA points. Man the internet has ruined a lot of people.

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Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 08, 2020, 05:21:47 PM
I think you’re reading too much into my response.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 08, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
I think you're way bored and trying to make people as miserable as you.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 08, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Biden >>> Trump
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 08, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
No evidence of what?

Biden calling AAs 'special predators'?
https://youtu.be/0DcN6wNKxZA

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You link the wrong video? Lol. Not only is there no such quote in that video, but that particular video is actually explaining WHY people like Biden thought the crime bill was a good idea back then, and why we know NOW that we need to do things differently.

Again, not trying to say Biden is a great candidate, just glad Trump is gone and think that pretending Biden is the same guy as 1994 is a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 08, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/analysis-black-leaders-supported-clinton-s-crime-bill-n552961
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 08, 2020, 06:43:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_v00iGJCLY&ab_channel=TheIndependent
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: os89 on November 08, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
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Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: mclovin1336 on November 08, 2020, 11:55:39 PM
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doesnt seem very anti-trump here, theres also a tweet where hes supporting eric trump.
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You right wing asshats trashing Van Jones truly emotional speech have no idea what it’s like to be a minority in this country and the damage the last 4 years have done. Shame on you for being so apathetic, so partisan, and so heartless.

first of all, im for sure not right wing. and of course i cant fathom how hard it is for a minority to live in the US (since i am not a minority in the US and it is not understandable for someone from the outside), im sorry if i was not clear enough about that. Im not criticising the message but the messenger.
im just wondering, how someone who said "trump has done good things for the black community" (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8874461/Van-Jones-says-Trump-doesnt-credit-good-things-African-Americans.html) has now changed 180 degrees? seems a little bit strategic to me. but again, might be misinterpreted and i do not know very much of van jones.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: baustin on November 09, 2020, 01:28:47 PM
If you don't think Biden winning is an obvious improvement, you're fucking deluded, and gladly regurgitating farmed right-wing talking points, whether wittingly or not.

Day 1, we'll have actual scientists back in charge of the COVID response. Trump installed completely unqualified sycophants into positions where they could force the CDC to say things against their own findings that spared Trump's ego. Can you fucking image? You spend 40, 50 years in your field studying epidemiology, focusing on saving real human lives, and then a 100-year plague comes around, the moment your whole life has prepared you for, and suddenly your only priority is not making the fucking baby have a tantrum?

I'm trying to practice forgiveness for Trump voters, but I will never, ever forgive Trump. He literally has zero redeeming qualities. If he chokes on his last hamberder in the White House, it'll be a better fate than he deserves.

Sums up my thoughts quite well after watching Biden speak on his forthcoming plan for a Covid-19 response. The bar is set admittedly low, but to see our future president on a podium speaking with empathy for those who have lost loved ones to Covid-19 and respect for science was a huge fucking breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: fakie nollie on November 09, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
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If you don't think Biden winning is an obvious improvement, you're fucking deluded, and gladly regurgitating farmed right-wing talking points, whether wittingly or not.

Day 1, we'll have actual scientists back in charge of the COVID response. Trump installed completely unqualified sycophants into positions where they could force the CDC to say things against their own findings that spared Trump's ego. Can you fucking image? You spend 40, 50 years in your field studying epidemiology, focusing on saving real human lives, and then a 100-year plague comes around, the moment your whole life has prepared you for, and suddenly your only priority is not making the fucking baby have a tantrum?

I'm trying to practice forgiveness for Trump voters, but I will never, ever forgive Trump. He literally has zero redeeming qualities. If he chokes on his last hamberder in the White House, it'll be a better fate than he deserves.
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Sums up my thoughts quite well after watching Biden speak on his forthcoming plan for a Covid-19 response. The bar is set admittedly low, but to see our future president on a podium speaking with empathy for those who have lost loved ones to Covid-19 and respect for science was a huge fucking breath of fresh air.

This across almost everything. COVID-19, international relationships, global warming... Most things that need to change really just need to be brought back up to par. 2024 is going to be a weird election year.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on November 09, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
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If you don't think Biden winning is an obvious improvement, you're fucking deluded, and gladly regurgitating farmed right-wing talking points, whether wittingly or not.

Day 1, we'll have actual scientists back in charge of the COVID response. Trump installed completely unqualified sycophants into positions where they could force the CDC to say things against their own findings that spared Trump's ego. Can you fucking image? You spend 40, 50 years in your field studying epidemiology, focusing on saving real human lives, and then a 100-year plague comes around, the moment your whole life has prepared you for, and suddenly your only priority is not making the fucking baby have a tantrum?

I'm trying to practice forgiveness for Trump voters, but I will never, ever forgive Trump. He literally has zero redeeming qualities. If he chokes on his last hamberder in the White House, it'll be a better fate than he deserves.
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Sums up my thoughts quite well after watching Biden speak on his forthcoming plan for a Covid-19 response. The bar is set admittedly low, but to see our future president on a podium speaking with empathy for those who have lost loved ones to Covid-19 and respect for science was a huge fucking breath of fresh air.
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This across almost everything. COVID-19, international relationships, global warming... Most things that need to change really just need to be brought back up to par. 2024 is going to be a weird election year.

I get the sentiment, but “par” hasn’t been cutting it for global warming, and the US and the world at large needs to set aggressive goals and utilize regulatory power in an unprecedented manner if we want to curb temperature increases and prevent positive feedback loops that lead to further warming and environmental damage.

The environment and healthcare are both issues where I’m not ok with Biden playing moderate. I celebrate the return to civility in the White House, but that civility and unity with republicans should not come at the cost of the health of the planet and the citizens of the US, or any country. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hevonen on November 09, 2020, 03:17:36 PM
Pretty amazed that Trump managed to gain 10m votes from 2016.

Not gonna be an easy start for Biden with covid and all going on, especially if Trump is aiming for 2024 and keeps rallying his supporters. Restrictions will be received even worse by Trump supporters even if and probably when they won't be much different from what has been so far. On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump. Unless of course vaccines will happen quickly in which case it would be the best start ever. Also as people start coming down from the high of getting rid of Trump, Biden will naturally receive an increasing amount of criticism from the people who voted for him. If he's gunning for getting re-elected in 2024, then there might not be much uniting the country as he'll most likely need to focus on keeping his core voters happy. Gonna be an interesting first year for sure
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 09, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.

Please elaborate...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: os89 on November 09, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
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On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.
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Please elaborate...

Yea, nah.

In what possible way would trupm be better? Guy doesn’t believe facts presented to him and thinks he’s smarter than every scientist and doctor. He’s a deluded megalomaniac.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 09, 2020, 03:46:17 PM
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On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.
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Yea, nah.

In what possible way would trupm be better? Guy doesn’t believe facts presented to him and thinks he’s smarter than every scientist and doctor. He’s a deluded megalomaniac.

White House on its third wave of COVID. Yea, they've done a great job... apparently it wasn't just a "blue state" problem.


Canada is doing way better than the States
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-in-the-u-s-how-do-canada-s-provinces-rank-against-american-states-1.5051033
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 09, 2020, 04:02:18 PM
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On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.
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Please elaborate...

Or don’t.  Logic 2020
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hevonen on November 09, 2020, 04:17:24 PM
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On covid I'm sort of 50/50 on whether Biden is a good fit for the job, or if it would've been safer just to ride it out with Trump.
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Yea, nah.

In what possible way would trupm be better? Guy doesn’t believe facts presented to him and thinks he’s smarter than every scientist and doctor. He’s a deluded megalomaniac.

Idk I just think that the people who are pro-restrictions will do it anyways, while people who are anti-restrictions might listen to trump, but will protest if the same thing comes from Biden. Last thing you want is a bunch of rednecks protesting against the government especially with a guy like Trump being their leader.

The tone coming from the white house will obviously change for the better, but I don't think there's much you can do about the numbers at this point
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 09, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
I see the troll that lobbed an insult at me about my possible age (no surprise, he couldn’t manage to capitalize or punctuate a five word sentence) who I responded to in a polite and thought out manner has disappeared in this thread. I appreciate this thread, let’s please keep it as civil as possible folks. Like I had mentioned, I consider myself as down the middle as one can possibly be. I have conservative values despite being raised in one of the  most liberal states. Shocker right? Actually pro less government in general. More Libertarian in beliefs and ideals. The thing is that Trump was tearing this nation apart IMO. Is Biden the answer? Hardly. What this nation needed though was a change of administration. A shake up. The political, racial and social divide was growing. We need to fight things like Covid UNITED and any less friction could only be a plus moving forward.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Salsa Verde on November 09, 2020, 05:06:53 PM
For the record, thank you to everyone who has responded in this thread with respect, dignity and genuine insight to their political views and beliefs and respect for others as well. Beautiful and great things can happen when people communicate with each other with appreciation for others freedom of thought and speech.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on November 09, 2020, 05:53:14 PM
I'm sure someone has said it beforehand and in fact they have but I'm lazy to quote them so I'll have go for me own beliefs more particularly with Biden/Trump no versus as that's no comparison....   Trump is a megalomaniac shitty 80's villain you see in a John Carpenter film.... Essentially he is the FloriduhMan the shittiest superhero no one asked for and needed and Biden is like a very mild mannered Alfred or Bruce Wayne...

Okay I know poor frame of reference I know it seems like I'm just babbling on whatever. When voting this year I did my research and yeah he sucks too with some of his older racist incarceration policies. I'd rather have a career politician that can play both sides of the two party system and deal with the usual way things were fucked up before Trump... anyone remember those days? Yeah they weren't the greatest but we didn't have hate groups sprouting up everywhere because of a walking talking embodiment of a diabetes infomercial.

So do I think Biden will do a good job? maybe possibly idk and I hope he does if not raise ourselves from this racist drivel Trumps kooky ass brought the American populous to a joke a laughing stock a punchline to the rest of the world. 

Our planet is suffering in many many ways I believe someone was saying about being a land surveyor for alternative energy which is great and I think solar energy is rad along with wind energy it's too bad some dipshits place them in terrible spots and causes death to some species or kills certain birds and other animals.

I don't know about you guys I miss the cold and seasons where it wasn't nuclear hot outside especially in the shade...... We're a plague (humanity) no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 09, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Hevonen, I worry about that too, USA is such a big country, it appears lockdown is the only thing that works but only small island countries have managed this, I don’t see it as viable in the larger countries
Hopefully cure soon im frothing to go on a holiday again

I agree that Biden is definitely the lesser of two evils sometimes trump comes across as that shithead boss we’ve all worked for
‘don’t tell me fucken stories just make it work’
Sometimes you can’t
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on November 09, 2020, 06:10:37 PM
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only in a country that has reached a point of TERMINAL decline could a cursed fuck like Trump even get into office in the first place, and only in this same fucked country could people be dancing in the streets over a virulently racist and classist fuck like Biden becoming president next.

amongst myriad other reasons, fuck Trump to hell for not denouncing white nationalists and the like, and fuck Biden to hell for this fucking toxic shit, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Trump has said, especially this is all in the name of changing laws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc

this is one of the worst speeches a politician has ever given, and people are dancing in the streets because this is the "anyone but Trump" choice? it does not get worse than what Biden says in that speech--criminals are inherently "bad people" who get what they deserve when they are killed or put in jail, and that's it for them--criminals' backgrounds don't matter, poverty does not matter, drug addiction does not matter, homelessness does not matter, they deserve whatever they get, etc.

i'm fucking excited that Trump is on his way out, but fuck Biden, and he needs to be watched just as vigilantly...one man's opinion...
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You had to go back decades to find a time when Biden said something disagreeable, think the guy might have possibly changed (and the world has changed a lot, attitudes have changed)? Trump has been saying and doing despicable things constantly, right up until today. No comparison. Trump is the guy who kept insisting that the Central park 5 were guilty long after their innocence had been proven beyond a doubt, for example.

Edit: Should clarify that in no way means I'm a big Biden guy - just soooooo glad Trump is out. Sucks all you guys got was Biden, but he ain't Trump.
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wrong kiddo, i'm almost 50 and was sickened and angered by this unforgettable racist and classist shit back when he said it and correspondingly when that cunt Hilary Clinton was carrying on about "super predators." i've never forgotten and fuck all of you hypocrites talking about how he's "changed"--even if his PR people are spinning him in a different way now, nothing will fix all of the lives that were destroyed because of this fuck's views and actions...he is one of the architects behind "mass incarceration" in the US, no matter how he's portrayed himself and who he has ran with in this election...
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You know, a big part of progress is being able to have an adult discussion without stooping to insults or flipping out on people who you are talking with. If your go-to response is to call people fucking hypocrites etc, you’re not mature enough for the discussion to begin with.
People change. Lots of people regret decisions they’ve made in the past and work hard to do better. But you’re probably right, the guy with a black female VP who was himself VP for a black president is totally a racist. No way he changed over 30 years. Makes sense.  ;D


i HaVe BLaCk fRiEnDs s0 I cAnT bE rAcIsT, and dude you know for a fact you wouldnt give that "people change" pass to a republican lol get real
Title: If you voted for Trump...
Post by: JB77 on November 10, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
...why? 

Not trying to start static, just genuinely trying to understand your viewpoint.  I believe these kinds of conversations will help our country move forward.

I can kind of understand why people voted for him four years ago, I guess.  He was more of an unknown quantity back then and represented a chance to shake things up. 

But, you just lived through the last four years like the rest of us and thought, “yeah, gimme more of that!”

So, what motivated you to vote in favor of Trump being re-elected? 

Title: Re: If you voted for Trump...
Post by: JANUS on November 10, 2020, 04:00:24 PM
Quit beating a dead Mikey Taylor

Neigh.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 10, 2020, 08:08:59 PM
Damn, I really wanted to move back to Los Angeles ...

...things are looking pretty third world at this point.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTfAu1XgaOs
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: girlfriendplease on November 11, 2020, 12:47:59 AM
biden looks like salman agar if you look at him from certain angles (ones only a true artist could spot)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 11, 2020, 05:01:32 AM
i HaVe BLaCk fRiEnDs s0 I cAnT bE rAcIsT, and dude you know for a fact you wouldnt give that "people change" pass to a republican lol get real

Yeah because the fact that they're still a republican demonstrates that they haven't changed
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 11, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
Even funnier is they are migrating to a fake facebook where they can all froth at the mouth in a safe space without any liberal buzzkill.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alan on November 11, 2020, 08:52:17 AM
Even funnier is they are migrating to a fake facebook where they can all froth at the mouth in a safe space without any liberal buzzkill.

As in...they're creating a media bubble/echo chamber? I'm shocked...it's almost like it was all projection...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 11, 2020, 09:52:43 AM
Places like Parler are just making the FBI's job easier when one of those weirdos goes and commits a domestic terror attack.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 11, 2020, 10:40:34 AM
Places like Parler are just making the FBI's job easier when one of those weirdos goes and commits a domestic terror attack.
Also, HR departments should get in there. There are lots of people looking for work who aren't closeted white supremacist terrorists that will be more than happy to take that racist pos in your workplace's spot.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 11, 2020, 12:27:43 PM
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Also, HR departments should get in there. There are lots of people looking for work who aren't closeted white supremacist terrorists that will be more than happy to take that racist pos in your workplace's spot.

that's where the dox comes in. anti fascist peoples organizations need all the help they can
these folks [url]https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-82//url] post up some info. It's fucked when you see someone you know...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Surf The Earth on November 13, 2020, 09:13:11 AM
I am certainly not hoping for this outcome, and I am not here to stir anything up, but I still think Trump is going to win the presidency for 4 more years. Idk why, I just feel it. I guess we will see. Something just seems off right now
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 13, 2020, 09:31:53 AM
How do you think that would happen? It's not like the 2000 election where there was a small difference in one state to account for. Trump would have to win suits and/or have recounts in his favor in multiple states.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 13, 2020, 09:54:25 AM
How do you think that would happen? It's not like the 2000 election where there was a small difference in one state to account for. Trump would have to win suits and/or have recounts in his favor in multiple states.

So far that hasn't been happening either. Pretty sure Biden just re-won Arizona.

It's all a show. He's built his image on stubbornness, always getting his way, never accepting "no." So of course he's going to cling onto it until the bitter end, because he needs to maintain his image. It's appealing to certain personalities. When he concedes, it won't be smooth or tactful, it'll probably be full of vitriol and resentment and paranoia, but that's what he feels he needs. He was never the type to exude class or humility.

But that kind of stubbornness can have an effect on people, where they start to believe in him regardless of reality. It can eventually make people second-guess themselves. It's also part of a plot for what could be a coup d'etat that he's planning.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Surf The Earth on November 13, 2020, 10:07:34 AM
I hear all of that. And I am certainly not rallying for him, or it's not because of his stubbornness that makes me believe, It's just an odd feeling I have. I may be completely wrong, because feelings can be deceiving of course, I just still don't believe Biden will be the president, until He is sworn in on January 20th.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 13, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Trump has little chance of holding on to his position through his bullshit lawsuits. They are nothing more than political theatre (that will harm our democracy for decades). Even his lawyers are backing out of the suits because they know they're bullshit.

The scary part of this is how the Republicans fell in line behind his garbage and how even on his way out Trump divides America just a little more.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/law-firm-drops-trump-campaign-436418
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trumps-lawsuits-are-politics-disguised-legal-strategy/617022/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trump-us-election-lawsuits
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Nosferatu on November 13, 2020, 12:38:28 PM
They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alan on November 13, 2020, 01:22:47 PM
They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.

Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glue Reed on November 13, 2020, 01:37:51 PM
Aside from riling up his base (which is working... in my neighborhood, the few houses with trump flags all came down on election day and now they're slowly coming back up), he's also grifting them:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309)

These are the same rubes that are defending Steve Bannon after he stole their money for the 'border wall' and bought himself a yacht, so I guess the jokes on them.

There is zero chance he will be President, but he's fucked up this country for a long time.  I hope he dies very soon and very slowly.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on November 13, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
i watched this so much during the trump presidency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg3_kUaYFJA
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 13, 2020, 03:45:09 PM
Trump has little chance of holding on to his position through his bullshit lawsuits. They are nothing more than political theatre (that will harm our democracy for decades). Even his lawyers are backing out of the suits because they know they're bullshit.

The scary part of this is how the Republicans fell in line behind his garbage and how even on his way out Trump divides America just a little more.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/law-firm-drops-trump-campaign-436418
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trumps-lawsuits-are-politics-disguised-legal-strategy/617022/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trump-us-election-lawsuits

I got family commenting on elected officials facebooks (like they will actually ever see it) talking about the obvious voter fraud. It seems like they have absolute faith trump still has a chance. Same people arguing that wearing a mask does nothing to stop the spread of Covid. These people are so willing to die on this hill.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 13, 2020, 04:59:09 PM
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.

I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 13, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
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They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo

Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign

said that about trump too, homie.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sandygoat on November 13, 2020, 09:03:24 PM
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
Oh jeez she looks like joker when he stapled his face back on.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
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said that about trump too, homie.

Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate.  Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff.  He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda.  Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees.  She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then).  Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign.  Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP). 

  Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her.  They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there. 

Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her).  If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines. 


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 13, 2020, 11:39:38 PM
Lol at you guys debating the next GOP candidate like they are selected on any kind of merit. They just pick the most popular one (at the primaries) and people vote for their party, case closed. The only thing that changes is the voter turn-out, which can be increased by fear-mongering about the danger that the other party represents.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 14, 2020, 12:03:37 AM
Lol at you guys debating the next GOP candidate like they are selected on any kind of merit. They just pick the most popular one (at the primaries) and people vote for their party, case closed. The only thing that changes is the voter turn-out, which can be increased by fear-mongering about the danger that the other party represents.

Well no not really.  Wouldn’t explain 64, 72, 84 landslides or impropriety of 00 final count.  Some people like to talk about politics and some like to discuss SOTY and there’s me who does both.  Sorry for getting my chocolate in your peanut butter
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: KoRnholio8 on November 14, 2020, 04:02:58 AM
I like to discuss politics as well, but you have to acknowledge the mental capacity of the average voter and the time they have available to form any kind of political opinions. Not to mention the sources of their information.

Even the smartest people I know don't have the time to seep though all the bullshit lies and propaganda to choose a respectable candidate to support, for the rest it is simply a popularity contest where you have to dig up or make up dirt on the opponent and then create the echo in the echo chamber.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 14, 2020, 01:46:18 PM
As if our hospitals and health care workers aren’t already stressed to the maximum we have some pretty spectacular covid parties dressed up as MAGA rallies.
And what is the orange asshole up to?  Playing golf and laughing at all the fucking idiots gathered to line his pockets and feed his ego.  And they are risking the lives of themselves as well as anybody they interact with to do so.  Clown shoes
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
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said that about trump too, homie.
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Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate.  Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff.  He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda.  Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees.  She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then).  Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign.  Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP). 

  Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her.  They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there. 

Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her).  If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines. 


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox)

After watching this all I unfold I don't buy the argument regarding how "Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate." The dude was sued multiple times, is on the record talking about sexual harassment, paid of a porn star, blah blah blah. These people don't really care. nor does it matter that she was once a democrat married to Newsom. It all falls into the realm of right wing cognitive dissonance in the era of alternative facts- millions of GOP voters truly believe in Qanon- they could easily believe a person such as Guilfoyle was merely a "plant" in the Democratic establishment. Palin being a fluke came during the wave of the Tea Party, a movement largely responsible for what's happening today- many of these congress members got their start during the era of the Tea Party Patriot- as for Palin being a fluke, the reason she's important in contemporary history is 2 fold- her coming to prominence, however immediately brief, greatly lowered the necessity of appearing moderately intelligent as a Republican female candidate, and there's no getting around the fact that they discovered when running a conventionally attractive, white female allows intelligence to be supplanted. I'm not going to search for it but I'm almost positive I recall multiple Sarah Palin milf/porn/fap related threads on SLAP back then- it was a common theme, everywhere.  The number of women running on Republican tickets, from the local to national level are falling into that category. As for who the GOP will push for a female candidate, don't forget that the GOP didn't push Trump. That was a complete insurgent candidacy and with how dystopian things have gotten in many ways, it wouldn't be a surprise to it happen again.

So while it might not be Guilfoyle, someone similar could do a whole lot of work and damage. While the GOP establishment may not be, the constituency has become increasingly enamored with the comic book villain type.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
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said that about trump too, homie.
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Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate.  Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff.  He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda.  Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees.  She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then).  Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign.  Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP). 

  Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her.  They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there. 

Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her).  If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines. 


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox)
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After watching this all I unfold I don't buy the argument regarding how "Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate." The dude was sued multiple times, is on the record talking about sexual harassment, paid of a porn star, blah blah blah. These people don't really care. nor does it matter that she was once a democrat married to Newsom. It all falls into the realm of right wing cognitive dissonance in the era of alternative facts- millions of GOP voters truly believe in Qanon- they could easily believe a person such as Guilfoyle was merely a "plant" in the Democratic establishment. Palin being a fluke came during the wave of the Tea Party, a movement largely responsible for what's happening today- many of these congress members got their start during the era of the Tea Party Patriot- as for Palin being a fluke, the reason she's important in contemporary history is 2 fold- her coming to prominence, however immediately brief, greatly lowered the necessity of appearing moderately intelligent as a Republican female candidate, and there's no getting around the fact that they discovered when running a conventionally attractive, white female allows intelligence to be supplanted. I'm not going to search for it but I'm almost positive I recall multiple Sarah Palin milf/porn/fap related threads on SLAP back then- it was a common theme, everywhere.  The number of women running on Republican tickets, from the local to national level are falling into that category. As for who the GOP will push for a female candidate, don't forget that the GOP didn't push Trump. That was a complete insurgent candidacy and with how dystopian things have gotten in many ways, it wouldn't be a surprise to it happen again.

So while it might not be Guilfoyle, someone similar could do a whole lot of work and damage. While the GOP establishment may not be, the constituency has become increasingly enamored with the comic book villain type.

Nothing you said about Trump differs from what I said.  He has never gotten in trouble for sexual misconduct.  Being exposed for it is not getting in trouble.  Getting sued is not getting in trouble until you lose the case.  I don’t recall that he has and he’d likely have settled.  Guilfoyle has been fired from Fox News for extreme sexual impropriety (read the linked article).  There is an intense double standard regarding men being sexual and women being sexual particularly on the right.  Trump could chalk up stuff to locker room talk, but what’s the female equivalent to forcing your assistant to rate penis pics on your phone, amongst other things?   Guilfoyle is not a realistic candidate.  She’s just a female republican you’ve heard of.  Ivanka is much more likely to run as she’s been pretty good at distancing herself from Trumps toxicity while still enabling him.  Trump’s morons sons are all over Twitter, but she doesn’t say shit.  She may not be smart, but she ain’t stupid.  I don’t necessarily think this will translate into winning elections because she doesn’t have that demagogue   gene that will tap into racism like her dad did and the Trump / Kushner name is still pretty toxic for everyone else. 

Also, Palin was 2008, Tea Party (another insurgent Rep movement) was 2010.  I disagree with every thing else you wrote because there’s no secondary example to look to.  A failed vp candidate and governor who couldn’t even finish her term is not the standard bearer for republican women.  She was seen as real because she was a hockey mom and it was unique, but the bloom was off the rose pretty damn fast.  She was a punchline back then and almost completely forgotten now except as a blemish on McCain’s legacy. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 16, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
^^E Jean Carrol lawsuit
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54710200/url]
[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/525790-federal-judge-moves-e-jean-carrolls-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/url]

Are you familiar with Marjorie Taylor Greene in GA? Lauren Boebert in Colorado?

I'm not sure where you live or with whom you engage. I live in an extremely isolated rural, right leaning area, in a so called Blue state. I listen to people, voters talk. I talk and work with them. I spent most of late election season driving across the United States and saw people lapping it up. I moved from New England to the South East of the United States during the 2007-08 election season. The constituency visibly and vocally eats up and it's only gained power and speed since then.

As for Palin being a hockey mom and real- that was certainly how she was portrayed and it served a purpose- just like these gun toting wing nut women now in halls of power listed above- they're candidates the constituency can imagine themselves being friends with or aspiring to be.

Regarding Guilfoyle, I'm quite familiar with her fall from Fox and while she may not become a candidate, her acceptance, similar to fascists like Steve Bannon and Steven Miller sets a precedent for the future. If you can't see that, enjoy 3 years of a Biden/Harris neoliberal/Reagan Republican facade of normalcy before shit becomes more bizarre and dangerous than it has been as of late.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 16, 2020, 10:00:09 AM
^^E Jean Carrol lawsuit
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54710200/url]
[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/525790-federal-judge-moves-e-jean-carrolls-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/url]

Are you familiar with Marjorie Taylor Greene in GA? Lauren Boebert in Colorado?

I'm not sure where you live or with whom you engage. I live in an extremely isolated rural, right leaning area, in a so called Blue state. I listen to people, voters talk. I talk and work with them. I spent most of late election season driving across the United States and saw people lapping it up. I moved from New England to the South East of the United States during the 2007-08 election season. The constituency visibly and vocally eats up and it's only gained power and speed since then.

As for Palin being a hockey mom and real- that was certainly how she was portrayed and it served a purpose- just like these gun toting wing nut women now in halls of power listed above- they're candidates the constituency can imagine themselves being friends with or aspiring to be.

Regarding Guilfoyle, I'm quite familiar with her fall from Fox and while she may not become a candidate, her acceptance, similar to fascists like Steve Bannon and Steven Miller sets a precedent for the future. If you can't see that, enjoy 3 years of a Biden/Harris neoliberal/Reagan Republican facade of normalcy before shit becomes more bizarre and dangerous than it has been as of late.

I’m aware of pending law suits against Trump.  I said he hasn’t gotten in trouble.  Don’t know why you keep glossing over that fact.  He hasn’t been punished for anyone sexual misconduct YET. 

Don’t know what you’re trying to argue with Palin.  She’s a joke and hasn’t been politically relevant since the early 10s.

I also think you’re wildly overstating the acceptance of Guilfoyle and Stephen Miller.  They are the ghouls behind the charismatic face and wouldn’t be able to exist or operate on their own merit. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 16, 2020, 11:37:40 AM
You've missed my point for Palin and the Tea Party- Of course the individual is irrelevant, the action however, set a tone or a precedent for acceptability, showing the far right what they can get away with, ie- "we can run this woman because she is incredibly malleable and portray a certain image that people want." Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are examples on the national level. Just under a month ago, in the US midwest I saw numerous billboards of blonde, thin female candidates holding guns.

Like I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.

As for Miller and the others pulling strings, it will only get worse. Constituents on either side don't generally pay mind to the actual policy makers and speech writers. In the case of the right, Stephen Miller the gollum doesn't matter, the influence however is widely accepted.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: LordManHammer on November 18, 2020, 07:40:15 AM
Like I've said before Trump is a callous shitty shrewd 80's villian that needs to be put down by Jack Burton or Snake Plisken.

If we were in a GI Joe movie about America being taken over by Cobra Commander Trump would be a that weasley coward that talks tough but get him alone he's a snivelling shit who's never got his ass beat.

Any real American who doesn't like Russia or Russian politics wouldn't have this guy as their champion as he's long since been compromised by the enemy and should've never held office as long as he has.

Frankly the sooner he dies (fast-food or something health related) the happier we'd all be.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 18, 2020, 10:22:35 AM
Like I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.
I believe you're right, and it's absolutely terrifying when 50+ million people believe literally anything that is said, as long as it comes from certain people or sources- especially since those people and their sources aren't credible or even remotely honest. Qanon is the perfect example of how fucking dumb people are.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 18, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
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I believe you're right, and it's absolutely terrifying when 50+ million people believe literally anything that is said, as long as it comes from certain people or sources- especially since those people and their sources aren't credible or even remotely honest. Qanon is the perfect example of how fucking dumb people are.

I've talked with people, people who, for the most part up until recently, were fairly stable minded folks, who wholly believe in the Qanon conspiracy. They say that those of us who have been tested for Covid19 have had chips implanted in our brains... it would be funny it so many didn't actually go there.  Aside from the idiocy of Qanon, the right wing militia movement is seeing a great deal of growth, as are non-traditional gang like accelerationist groups- the proud boys, the base, various boogaloo based outfits. I don't give a fuck if they're unconventional, they're amassing both political and fire power. It's some dangerous shit that's stoked and exacerbated by the hate speech coming from those in and around the current administration.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 18, 2020, 07:17:56 PM
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 18, 2020, 08:13:48 PM
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.

Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 18, 2020, 08:38:41 PM
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.

Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: jack burton on November 18, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.

My cousins wife just posted an insane YouTube video Giuliani posted claiming the votes were tallied in other countries.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Beeda Weeda on November 19, 2020, 04:22:49 AM
how did we get here?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: behavioralguide on November 19, 2020, 04:28:08 AM
By assasinating JFK?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Beeda Weeda on November 19, 2020, 04:34:09 AM
i was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: behavioralguide on November 19, 2020, 04:36:00 AM
Same difference
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Beeda Weeda on November 19, 2020, 05:49:25 AM
Same difference
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 19, 2020, 06:33:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah

"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"

"You're 4 years too late"

So good lol
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
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Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
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Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.

fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.

i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Googan Christmas on November 19, 2020, 07:37:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah

"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"

"You're 4 years too late"

So good lol

Ha that’s so good. “So just two hours of Fox News a day” lol
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: heckler on November 19, 2020, 09:38:17 AM
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
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Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
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fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.

fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.

i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.
I worked in a newsroom for several years and I'm well aware of what sloppy reporting is, how to write a headline, and what fake news is, thanks.

Something can be "fake news" without actually being "fake," or false - I.E. when an old sensational headline about someone starts to make the rounds again in an attempt to intentionally mislead the public. Polling a small sample of the electorate and providing minimal demographic details only to run a headline saying "Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: poll" is, at best, a very irresponsible and misleading headline, and at worst, demonstrably false, especially considering it's being shared under the guise of "wow, 35 million Republicans think Biden stole the election!" So no, while it's not an outright lie or propaganda, I think it's fair to say this falls under the umbrella of "fake" as in misleading and/or clickbait-type content.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 19, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
i was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.

Literally during Carter’s term partly in opposition to him and partly to get Reagan elected.   The book Reaganland is more than you’ll ever want to know on the subject
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 19, 2020, 09:52:44 AM
I'm surprised we don't think the majority of people who voted for Trump don't believe his bullshit that is repeated by FOX, OAN, and the right wing radio.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: childhood on November 19, 2020, 10:02:24 AM
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Literally during Carter’s term partly in opposition to him and partly to get Reagan elected.   The book Reaganland is more than you’ll ever want to know on the subject

I'm in the middle of Nixonland right now. You can see some trends from today starting back then even.

Dark Money (book largely about the Koch brothers funneling money into conservative causes) would be useful reading too. They made a documentary based on the book as well.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 19, 2020, 10:32:24 AM
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Literally during Carter’s term partly in opposition to him and partly to get Reagan elected.   The book Reaganland is more than you’ll ever want to know on the subject
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I'm in the middle of Nixonland right now. You can see some trends from today starting back then even.

Dark Money (book largely about the Koch brothers funneling money into conservative causes) would be useful reading too. They made a documentary based on the book as well.

Oh sick!   I just read those two and didn’t do the whole 5 book series.  Nixonland is crazy because you don’t realize how many years of violent (or non) protests there were at that time.  Really makes those early this year seem pale in comparison.   

I’ll check out the Koch Brothers one.  There was another one, Boys of Wichita?, I was eying too.  Funny how Charles says he’s doing to devote himself to bipartisanship now and he feels bad for what he did
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 19, 2020, 04:30:16 PM
how did we get here?

A country with its roots in the Pilgrims who wanted to found a theocracy.
A country where Capitalism took hold and entrenched itself with myths and extreme propaganda, to the point that people believe overwork, greed, and selfishness are virtues.

There has always been a very strong vein of anti-intellectualism in the US, and it’s celebrated.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 19, 2020, 05:14:39 PM
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
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Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
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fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.

fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.

i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.


Ummmm.  “Fake news” started because dumb as he is, Donald Trump knew he couldn’t go quoting his the Nazis directly.  Or someone told him he couldn’t.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: camel filters on November 19, 2020, 05:54:09 PM
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
Do you believe a majority of Republicans in America were included in that poll? From the article:
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The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 1,346 respondents, including 598 Democrats and 496 Republicans, and has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of 5 percentage points.


Hardly a representation of the country.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: manysnakes on November 19, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
The thing about polling from 2016 and 2020, and to a lesser extent 2018, is that it was right about about a lot of things, but it did seem to almost systematically undercount Republican votes. I don't really know anything about polling with regard to their methodology, but it's hard to see these results and conclude that there is not a systemic bias in polling for which they are not yet able (or are perhaps unwilling) to account
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 19, 2020, 06:53:38 PM
The thing about polling from 2016 and 2020, and to a lesser extent 2018, is that it was right about about a lot of things, but it did seem to almost systematically undercount Republican votes. I don't really know anything about polling with regard to their methodology, but it's hard to see these results and conclude that there is not a systemic bias in polling for which they are not yet able (or are perhaps unwilling) to account

There are other factors other than bias.
For example, certain portions of Republicans are more than a little distrustful of ‘the lying media’, and related organizations, and may be less likely to give truthful answers to polling companies.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Nosferatu on November 19, 2020, 09:51:05 PM
Or respond at all
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 19, 2020, 11:33:51 PM
i've seen tons of posts online where people brag about lying in polls, both democrats and republicans. people registering as democrats but votes republican etc.

so it's actual the fault of the people that polls suck, not the companies doing the polls. granted, 1500 people is an insanely small sample size in a country of 300+ million people where apparently roughly 230 million can vote.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: matty_c on November 19, 2020, 11:43:25 PM
Haha both of em are fucken cooked

https://youtu.be/idpevmeoK1A

https://youtu.be/K9Kp_eHMQ7s
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alan on November 20, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
i've seen tons of posts online where people brag about lying in polls, both democrats and republicans. people registering as democrats but votes republican etc.

so it's actual the fault of the people that polls suck, not the companies doing the polls. granted, 1500 people is an insanely small sample size in a country of 300+ million people where apparently roughly 230 million can vote.

1500 is a good sample size for large populations, as long as its representative, which this particular set might not be.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Sick Duck on November 20, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
I doubt it’s that high but still probably more than you would think (or hope)
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: manysnakes on November 20, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
Or respond at all

I think this might also be the case. I have no idea how this is corrected for in polling
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 20, 2020, 04:01:57 PM
I'm really surprised that there is any doubt that the people who voted for Trump believe his world view.

Moreover, the accuracy of the polls isn't that they over-report Trump supporters, but they under-reports them due to all sorts of sampling issues. If anything the polls are more likely to underestimate how many people are believing this crazy bullshit.

The Republican world view places themselves as permanent victims... the social media companies unfairly censor us; the media is out to get us/Trump; the "deep-state" is against Trump/us; all exposure of Trump's crimes are politically motivated; Q will save us from the evil democrats; liberal elitist are at fault for playing the education/economic game properly...

... I disagree with the free-market bullshit that said manufacturing leaving America was great because "cheaper goods," BUT interestingly enough this made me a stupid liberal 20 years ago. Using the personal responsibility logic against those who love to bring it up when it comes to everyone but angry white dudes, why the hell didn't they get the hell out of the rural areas 40 years ago? Manufacturing and rural economies were down-sliding in the 70s with no bright spots in the foreseeable future. Not only is it obvious that the cities are the economic centers, demographers predicted that people would quickly abandon the rural areas for cities around the world... with less people there is less infrastructure money, less school money, less money moving through the local system, etc. where in the fuck were these people when the free-market told them  40 years ago, "The rural areas are not a great investment nor are manufacturing jobs. Business exist to make money not to give you a job. The people you are voting into office (Reagan) are overtly anti-union/anti-worker and promote off-shoring."

Finally, I can't believe the Republican leaders aren't telling Trump to stop with his tweets. I can't believe they aren't telling Americans our elections are safe. I can't believe Trump is inviting politicians to the White House in order to figure out to steal the election now that his dumb lawsuits went absolutely no where.

And, I can't believe I'm just focusing on my job and just watching America fall apart. I don't know how we bounce back from this... and none of this is all that new. Trump just does it overtly and louder than it had been done in the past. I mean does anyone remember Cheney trying to say the VP wasn't part of the executive branch so he could hide all his corrupt documents?

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2020/08/19/most-americans-think-social-media-sites-censor-political-viewpoints/
https://www.journalism.org/2020/05/08/americans-are-more-likely-than-not-to-think-the-news-media-are-fulfilling-key-roles-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-but-partisans-are-starkly-divided/
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 20, 2020, 05:47:29 PM
I'm really surprised that there is any doubt that the people who voted for Trump believe his world view.

Moreover, the accuracy of the polls isn't that they over-report Trump supporters, but they under-reports them due to all sorts of sampling issues. If anything the polls are more likely to underestimate how many people are believing this crazy bullshit.

The Republican world view places themselves as permanent victims... the social media companies unfairly censor us; the media is out to get us/Trump; the "deep-state" is against Trump/us; all exposure of Trump's crimes are politically motivated; Q will save us from the evil democrats; liberal elitist are at fault for playing the education/economic game properly...

... I disagree with the free-market bullshit that said manufacturing leaving America was great because "cheaper goods," BUT interestingly enough this made me a stupid liberal 20 years ago. Using the personal responsibility logic against those who love to bring it up when it comes to everyone but angry white dudes, why the hell didn't they get the hell out of the rural areas 40 years ago? Manufacturing and rural economies were down-sliding in the 70s with no bright spots in the foreseeable future. Not only is it obvious that the cities are the economic centers, demographers predicted that people would quickly abandon the rural areas for cities around the world... with less people there is less infrastructure money, less school money, less money moving through the local system, etc. where in the fuck were these people when the free-market told them  40 years ago, "The rural areas are not a great investment nor are manufacturing jobs. Business exist to make money not to give you a job. The people you are voting into office (Reagan) are overtly anti-union/anti-worker and promote off-shoring."

Finally, I can't believe the Republican leaders aren't telling Trump to stop with his tweets. I can't believe they aren't telling Americans our elections are safe. I can't believe Trump is inviting politicians to the White House in order to figure out to steal the election now that his dumb lawsuits went absolutely no where.

And, I can't believe I'm just focusing on my job and just watching America fall apart. I don't know how we bounce back from this... and none of this is all that new. Trump just does it overtly and louder than it had been done in the past. I mean does anyone remember Cheney trying to say the VP wasn't part of the executive branch so he could hide all his corrupt documents?
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2020/08/19/most-americans-think-social-media-sites-censor-political-viewpoints/
https://www.journalism.org/2020/05/08/americans-are-more-likely-than-not-to-think-the-news-media-are-fulfilling-key-roles-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-but-partisans-are-starkly-divided/

well said.

I don't have any answers but I don't see the country bouncing back. The Democratic Party is owned by "donors." The Republican machine has gone absolutely stark raving mad. Full on, up front Fascist without the constituency realizing it.
Aside from "It Could Happen Here," Robert Evans podcast "Behind the Bastards" has excellent moments, including the episode "How Nice, Normal People made the Holocaust Possible." It offers thoughts comparable to what's happening in the US- and I'm not saying that the Holocaust is going to happen here, but rather making note of the shift in public consciousness on both party lines and within respective constituencies.

[urlhttps://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-how-nice-normal-people-72548148/[/url]

People with jobs are going to continue going to work while America continues to fall apart. People are going to continue having kids. They're going to continue buying homes. They're going to continue skateboarding. They're going to continue buying shit on Amazon. They're going to continue freaking out about toilet paper shortages. Food shortages will happen again and people will keep working if they have a job. It's going to get rougher for a greater amount of people, but it's what happens. Let's stay safe and lay low.

And, hey, maybe it won't happen and America will rebound to a place of greatness where hunger is abated, homelessness is no more, politicians work for the people, white supremacist terror gangs won't plot, fash gangs won't roam the streets of big cities "standing back and standing by," cops will stop killing black folks.

really, stay safe

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 20, 2020, 09:07:11 PM
We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfkBRaWmGE

If you think media brainwashing only exists on one side, please do some research. It's amazing to see so many people in here echoing media talking points verbatim.

Also, check what Van Jones said four years ago when Trump was elected. He shed tears then and had some very similar sentiments to express:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgewCeLtrU
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 20, 2020, 09:46:54 PM
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Economy and Jobs
President Trump jump-started America’s economy into record growth which created jobs and increased take-home pay for working Americans.

Immigration
President Trump protected the American homeland by enforcing immigration laws, so every American can feel safe in their community.

Foreign Policy
By promoting fair and reciprocal trade, President Trump put America first. This includes exiting TPP, renegotiating NAFTA, and securing new bilateral deals with major trading partners.

National Security and Defense
President Trump rebuilt our military, crushed ISIS, and confronted rogue nations to protect America and our allies.

Regulation
President Trump removed red tape and ended unnecessary regulations which stifle economic growth and prosperity.

Land and Agriculture
President Trump created a task force on agriculture and rural prosperity which included actions to improve the lives of rural Americans.

Law and Justice
President Trump partnered with local communities and worked with local law enforcement to protect American communities.

Energy and Environment
President Trump reversed years of policies that locked up American energy and restricted our ability to sell to other countries.

Government Accountability
One of President Trump’s biggest campaign promises was to make a government by and for the people. Throughout his first year in office, the President worked to drain the swamp and created more transparency.

Health Care
President Trump repealed the Obamacare individual mandate, expanded plan choices and increased competition to bring down costs for consumers.

Infrastructure and Technology
President Trump built stronger rural communities by ensuring Americans have access to the quality infrastructure they deserve.

Social Programs
President Trump and his Administration protected life by fighting back against illegal drug shipments, opioid abuse, and abortion service providers.

Education
President Trump and his Administration supported the expansion of school choice across the country so every parent has a voice in their child’s education.

Veterans
President Trump made sure the government fulfilled its commitment to our country’s veterans by reforming the V.A., including firing 500 of the worst managers in the agency while providing education and health benefits.

Well, that’s one way to look at it, I guess

You accuse us of having swallowed ‘media’ talking points (many of us here loathe the media as much as you do, but for more salient reasons that ‘anti-Trump bias’) but ‘your’ side somehow is much more honest and reflects reality properly? That they should be believed uncritically?

You cut and paste all of that without understanding why many of them are inaccurate and many more have huge negative consequences?

Please don’t lecture us about ‘doing research’.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 20, 2020, 10:07:13 PM
Well, that’s one way to look at it, I guess

You accuse us of having swallowed ‘media’ talking points (many of us here loathe the media as much as you do, but for more salient reasons that ‘anti-Trump bias’) but ‘your’ side somehow is much more honest and reflects reality properly? That they should be believed uncritically?

You cut and paste all of that without understanding why many of them are inaccurate and many more have huge negative consequences?

Please don’t lecture us about ‘doing research’.

You've conflated two posts together. I didn't post any of the Trump bullet point stuff.

You also assumed that I loathe the media because of "anti-Trump bias," and tried to dunk on me with your third assumption about you having "more salient reasons" than your made up one that I supposedly have.

I don't have a "side." I listen to both left and right media, as well as independent journalists and do my own research to form my opinions.

Both sides by the way believe that the other is brainwashed, so every time you write something about FOX, New York Post, OAN, etc., be sure that there's someone on another message board writing about MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc.

Do you disagree that Trump is the symptom of 8 years of Obama and Biden? Do you remember when Black Lives Matter was started?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: layzieyez on November 20, 2020, 10:12:40 PM
This message board is not 4chan or Parler. Take your copypasta crap away from here. Go lame it up somewhere else kooks if you can't form coherent conversation to explain your views.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 20, 2020, 10:49:44 PM
Back to 4chan/Parler I go!

Adios
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 20, 2020, 11:24:46 PM

Back to 4chan/Parler I go!

Please do. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 20, 2020, 11:54:10 PM
The group think on politics and covid here on the board is pretty amazing. This culture of trying to shame people for having different beliefs or thoughts is a dead end.

Skateboarding has always been about about individuality and challenging the system, and I believe strongly we should be questioning all the narratives that we are being fed. I don't trust either side as I think there is really only one side, and that's money.

Kook me all you want, but we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 12:16:29 AM
"Trump is the only president in my lifetime not to involve the US in a new war."

Like Trump didn't try to start a war after the assassination of Qassem Suleimani, which hasn't been resolved btw, and will probably carry over to the Biden presidency.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 21, 2020, 12:35:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah

"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"

"You're 4 years too late"

So good lol

This guy's pretty good riffing on the fly. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: tuesday on November 21, 2020, 12:39:31 AM

when Trump is the only president in my lifetime not to involve the US in a new war.


What about the new wars on basic human decency and morality? The war on truthfulness? Let alone the war on reason and science? Especially w.r.t. Covid-19 and climate change these wars that Trump and his cronies started have already cost more US casualties than all the wars combined since WW2.

edit: and last, but certainly not least the war on democracy and democratic institutions.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 21, 2020, 01:03:10 AM
The group think on politics and covid here on the board is pretty amazing. This culture of trying to shame people for having different beliefs or thoughts is a dead end.

Skateboarding has always been about about individuality and challenging the system, and I believe strongly we should be questioning all the narratives that we are being fed. I don't trust either side as I think there is really only one side, and that's money.

Kook me all you want, but we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.

I'll listen to you the opinion you've formed on politics, man. You seem to be above name-calling which is honorable, and you appear to like Gene Parmesan, for whom I also have an affinity.

Covid, on the other hand, is a pretty simple situation: there's a deadly, plague-level virus that has caused a pandemic around the world and it needs to be taken seriously with people wearing facemasks and distancing socially, as well as isolating where necessary, in order to save lives. Nothing is more important than saving lives. That's pretty cut and dry.

Skateboarding is somewhat about individuality because it's not a team sport per se in that you can do it all by yourself. Saying it's about "challenging the system" is a bit of a stretch though; it's really just a scooter with the handlebars taken off.
Not sure what that has to do with questioning any narratives other than the "don't skateboard here" and "wear a helmet" narratives. But okay.

So you do a lot of research and listen to both sides of the fence. Admirable.

May I ask why is it that, after all that research, you have not come to any conclusions that would align you with a particular viewpoint? Do you do so much research that you have just confused yourself to a point of no return? Or have you pinpointed your position so exactly on such a wide array of individual issues that you remain a free agent of sorts, meandering between sides where you see fit?

Without posting a video, please explain your position clearly why you feel Trump is a "symptom" of two terms of the Obama administration and not the cause of...whatever it is you think folks falsely believe he is the cause of.

I think most people on the left recognize that Trump is not the cause of the world's evil; they just see him as an opportunist who is stoking the racism, homophobia and xenophobia of middle America and capitalizing on it to the country's detriment for his own personal gain (to feed his pocketbook and ego). I can't tell if you agree with that or if you are offering a different take. 

But, again, I'm here to listen to you, geneparmesan, without any name-calling.

Edit: And Black Lives Matter was founded as a movement in July 2013 after George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, but started to gain traction after the killings of Michael Brown and Eric Garner.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: cucktard on November 21, 2020, 01:07:16 AM
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Well, that’s one way to look at it, I guess

You accuse us of having swallowed ‘media’ talking points (many of us here loathe the media as much as you do, but for more salient reasons that ‘anti-Trump bias’) but ‘your’ side somehow is much more honest and reflects reality properly? That they should be believed uncritically?

You cut and paste all of that without understanding why many of them are inaccurate and many more have huge negative consequences?

Please don’t lecture us about ‘doing research’.
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You've conflated two posts together. I didn't post any of the Trump bullet point stuff.

You also assumed that I loathe the media because of "anti-Trump bias," and tried to dunk on me with your third assumption about you having "more salient reasons" than your made up one that I supposedly have.

I don't have a "side." I listen to both left and right media, as well as independent journalists and do my own research to form my opinions.

Both sides by the way believe that the other is brainwashed, so every time you write something about FOX, New York Post, OAN, etc., be sure that there's someone on another message board writing about MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc.

Do you disagree that Trump is the symptom of 8 years of Obama and Biden? Do you remember when Black Lives Matter was started?

You are correct, that was my mistake. I skimmed and conflated the two.

My bad.

Yea, I’m in agreement with you. The environment for Trump to come to power has been festering for decades.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 01:16:57 AM

May I ask why is it that, after all that research, you have not come to any conclusions that would align you with a particular viewpoint? Do you do so much research that you have just confused yourself to a point of no return? Or have you pinpointed your position so exactly on such a wide array of individual issues that you remain a free agent of sorts, meandering between sides where you see fit?

Without posting a video, please explain your position clearly why you feel Trump is a "symptom" of two terms of the Obama administration and not the cause of...whatever it is you think folks falsely believe he is the cause of.

I think most people on the left recognize that Trump is not the cause of the world's evil; they just see him as an opportunist who is stoking the racism, homophobia and xenophobia of middle America and capitalizing on it to the country's detriment for his own personal gain (to feed his pocketbook and ego). I can't tell if you agree with that or if you are offering a different take. 

But, again, I'm here to listen to you, geneparmesan, without any name-calling.

You condescend out of one side of your mouth and then say that you're hear [sic] to listen.

I'm not going to play your game of proof.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 21, 2020, 01:26:58 AM
Saying both sides are equally bad is such a cop out at this point. Trump took the right off the deep end into thinly veiled Nazism. The Democrats suck too and are pretty corrupt but at least they're not headed by a demagogue using racism and other bigotry to divide the country for his own gain. Trump's immorality is fucking staggering.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 21, 2020, 01:27:59 AM
It's a valid question:

With all the research you say you do, why have you not come to any conclusions that would align you with a particular viewpoint?

I'm here to listen. You can take me up on that, if you wish.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 01:40:07 AM
It's a valid question:

With all the research you say you do, why have you not come to any conclusions that would align you with a particular viewpoint?

I'm here to listen. You can take me up on that, if you wish.

Why are you so patronizing and convinced your opinion is correct? Every response has exhibited some kind of condescension. Are you aware of how you're coming off?

Ed, try watching the video I posted and tell me why it is that a orange faced game show host with no political experience was able to convince enough people to vote for him instead of choosing a continuation of the previous two terms?

Malcolm X had some interesting thoughts on white liberals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hm8wXZmRD8
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 21, 2020, 02:06:40 AM
That video's thumbnail looks like a No-Limit album cover. I'm not going to watch that.

I'm here to read the words of you, geneparmesan, after you've digested everything you've researched, and can discuss your challenging ideas and different thoughts and beliefs in a cohesive, succinct manner, without the assistance of any videos.

Can you do that? If so, I'm here to listen and promise I won't call you any names.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 02:17:29 AM
That video's thumbnail looks like a No-Limit album cover. I'm not going to watch that.

I'm here to read the words of you, geneparmesan, after you've digested everything you've researched, and can discuss your challenging ideas and different thoughts and beliefs in a cohesive, succinct manner, without the assistance of any videos.

Can you do that? If so, I'm here to listen and promise I won't call you any names.

Ed, you need to look at your life and see why it is that you feel so emboldened to act the way you're acting right now.

I don't need your promises of not calling me any names.

How incredibly judgmental of you to think that I would somehow be hurt by something you typed and would require a promise in order to verify something to your own standards.

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: EdLawndale on November 21, 2020, 02:27:38 AM
we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.

You wanted to discuss your challenging ideas without name calling and I'm offering it to you.

If you're able to sort out your thoughts and beliefs and are ready to discuss them, the offer stands.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 02:37:30 AM
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we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.
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You wanted to discuss your challenging ideas without name calling and I'm offering it to you.

You’ve argued in bad faith constantly and have been condescending throughout, even here.
 
You clearly are not interested in a conversation, as you could have responded to any number of things I posted.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 21, 2020, 02:46:21 AM
An interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich

I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on November 21, 2020, 04:05:24 AM
An interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich

I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.
Except for the whole part where this is already being covered by the media. You linked to the media lmao
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
The guy who told Wall Street donors that “nothing would fundamentally change” if he were elected (https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/) and raised over 74 million from said donors (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/28/wall-street-spends-74-million-to-support-joe-biden.html) now needs even more money.

(https://i.ibb.co/1fg8cG6/4-C9-CEA20-9-F9-C-4-B48-8-AE1-5-F33-C1316-D9-B.jpg)



Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 21, 2020, 10:11:27 AM
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An interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich

I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.
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Except for the whole part where this is already being covered by the media. You linked to the media lmao

The difference? If this had been Trump, there would have been a million articles plastered everywhere. Instead, all I could find was one article on the guardian.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Hefe43 on November 21, 2020, 10:16:45 AM
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we should be capable of discussing challenging ideas without piling on and name calling, making assumptions, etc.
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You wanted to discuss your challenging ideas without name calling and I'm offering it to you.
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You’ve argued in bad faith constantly and have been condescending throughout, even here.
 
You clearly are not interested in a conversation, as you could have responded to any number of things I posted.

you’re side stepping everything he said because you don’t like that way he’s talking to you? fuck your feelings, that’s the motto isn’t it? man up and answer him or shut the fuck up
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 10:27:27 AM
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An interesting article from the Guardian talking about a Biden pick for the EPA transition board. Looks like Biden REALLY cares for the environment and people's health.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/19/dear-joe-biden-are-you-kidding-me-erin-brockovich

I will say it again, Biden is just as bad as Trump. The difference? The media will choose to ignore the horrible stuff Biden will do as President because they will have the same corporatists overlords.
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Except for the whole part where this is already being covered by the media. You linked to the media lmao
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The difference? If this had been Trump, there would have been a million articles plastered everywhere. Instead, all I could find was one article on the guardian.

CNN talked about it yesterday.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M2mjre_hIU&ab_channel=CNN
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 21, 2020, 10:34:46 AM
Gene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 11:02:35 AM
even forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.

nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.

the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.

"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
                                                                                   -Frantz Fanon
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 11:07:49 AM
Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 11:15:51 AM
Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...

you see, you're talking to me like i'm some right-wing Trump supporter here...not even fucking close...i'm a far left, English professor in the humanities who comes from a poor/working family that's been through all kinds of shit, and has had to defend itself against violence before.

then again bruh, maybe you should just kook me and show everyone what a real grown-ass person does when faced with a perspective that doesn't fit into their simplistic binary way of looking at shit...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
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Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
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you see, you're talking to me like i'm some right-wing Trump supporter here...not even fucking close...i'm a far left, English professor in the humanities who comes from a poor/working family that's been through all kinds of shit, and has had to defend itself against violence before.

then again bruh, maybe you should just kook me and show everyone what a real grown-ass person does when faced with a perspective that doesn't fit into their simplistic binary way of looking at shit...

well, if that's what you want....
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 11:19:30 AM
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Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
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you see, you're talking to me like i'm some right-wing Trump supporter here...not even fucking close...i'm a far left, English professor in the humanities who comes from a poor/working family that's been through all kinds of shit, and has had to defend itself against violence before.

then again bruh, maybe you should just kook me and show everyone what a real grown-ass person does when faced with a perspective that doesn't fit into their simplistic binary way of looking at shit...
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well, if that's what you want....

there you go...kisses to you man
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 11:21:50 AM
<3  :-*

and who said we can't have peaceful political discussions on slap.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
Gene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.

I think we should question the numbers and the efficacy of lockdowns, as I agree with the World Health Organization that lockdowns should not be used as the primary means of controlling the virus. The special envoy to covid at the WHO said, “lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never, ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.” (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/world-health-organization-coronavirus-lockdown-advice/12753688?)

In terms of numbers being inflated, Fauci himself said that the pcr tests are not reliable if the cycle threshold is 35 or more and that that would lead to false positives:
3:50 into this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE

The New York Times has reported on this as well (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html)

As far as saying we should be able to discuss challenging ideas without name calling, I was not asking for a safe space from EdLawndale, and wrote this because of the Appleyard thread torching him for his thoughts. Dude's a legend in skateboarding and doesn't deserve the shade thrown at him for expressing his opinion.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 21, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
Just to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;
We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on November 21, 2020, 12:14:53 PM
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Gene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.
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I think we should question the numbers and the efficacy of lockdowns, as I agree with the World Health Organization that lockdowns should not be used as the primary means of controlling the virus. The special envoy to covid at the WHO said, “lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never, ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.” (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/world-health-organization-coronavirus-lockdown-advice/12753688?)

In terms of numbers being inflated, Fauci himself said that the pcr tests are not reliable if the cycle threshold is 35 or more and that that would lead to false positives:
3:50 into this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE

The New York Times has reported on this as well (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html)

As far as saying we should be able to discuss challenging ideas without name calling, I was not asking for a safe space from EdLawndale, and wrote this because of the Appleyard thread torching him for his thoughts. Dude's a legend in skateboarding and doesn't deserve the shade thrown at him for expressing his opinion.

Yeah, he does.  It’s better to be silent and thought a fool than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 12:28:30 PM
Just to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;
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We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
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The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.

He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
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Just to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;
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We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
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The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
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He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.

Example of what?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 12:53:10 PM
He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Example of what?

It's clear that DW doesn't support Trump, but the point stands that critiques on here are met with derision and assumptions, ie

Quote from: Big Skatefase
Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 01:00:53 PM
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He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Example of what?
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It's clear that DW doesn't support Trump, but the point stands that critiques on here are met with derision and assumptions, ie

Quote from: Big Skatefase
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Just like that Kenyan mooslim Obamer was gunna take our guns and put us in FEMA concentration camps...
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When did I say he supports Trump? Did you just make an assumtion? I'm just joking about out how the failed 2A propaganda brought up under the Obama administration is similar to the new 2A propaganda based around Biden.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 21, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
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Just to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;
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We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
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The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
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He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
You see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.

So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.

If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 21, 2020, 01:11:25 PM
even forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.

nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.

the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.

"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
                                                                                   -Frantz Fanon

For anyone who doesn't want to read all this, here's the summary...

I like guns.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
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even forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.

nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.

the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.

"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
                                                                                   -Frantz Fanon
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For anyone who doesn't want to read all this, here's the summary...

I like guns.

based on the few exchanges i've had with you, it's so clear that you respond to people's comments without actually reading them or any material that accompany them.

so, you've never had to defend yourself, someone you love, or your home? must be nice...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 01:41:42 PM
Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?

as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.

the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...

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Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
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We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
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The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
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He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
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You see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.

So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.

If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?

Are you really trying your best, because your tone seems snide and the onion article was a clear joke.

Under Obama we got more wars, more drone bombings, more police militarization, bigger banks, Monsanto protection, Flint water crisis, Arctic drilling, government spying on reporters, NSA spying scandal, whistleblower torture (Chelsea Manning), ATF gunwalking scandal, IRS misconduct, and DAPL to name a few things.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 01:46:26 PM
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Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
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as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.

the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...

Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 21, 2020, 01:48:30 PM
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even forgetting that Joe Biden is one of THE primary architects of the United States’ distinctly fucked system of “mass incarceration” (hey, you privileged hypocrites, fuck off with “he’s changed” and he’s apologized,” because those changes and those apologies do nothing to negate all of the lives and families his policies destroyed), his and Harris’ plans to disarm the poor and working classes are a whole other reason the population of poor and working Americans who i am part of, could never have voted for him--which says a lot, because toxic white billionaires like Trump are my truest enemy, and Biden is so fucked i still could not vote against Trump, so this was one of the clearest elections in my adult life, when there truly was no choice whatsoever.

nothing says a candidate is more out of touch with the daily experiences of poor and working people, than the desire to disarm them--there’s a whole page dedicated to Biden and Harris’ plans for this, couched in lots of euphemistic language for forced buybacks and outright confiscation here:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

fuck Biden right to hell--he is Trump in a different suit, no matter what all of the privileged hypocrites in here want to tell themselves to make it seem like it’s all going to be alright.

the shooting ranges that I frequent have been more diverse places than the university campuses where I teach since before the current manic run on guns and ammo. amongst the various channels of (mis)information, Biden has already been talking to the ATF about how to proceed, and the ATF is already making moves with regards to “braces” on “pistol-caliber-carbines,” and i’m going to go ahead and state here, that rich, privileged fucks trying to disarm the poor and working people of this country will do more than anything else to makes these classes see their commonality, see beyond racial, ethnic, and cultural differences, and come together.

"The unpreparedness of the educated classes, the lack of practical links between them and the mass of the people, their laziness, and, let it be said, their cowardice at the decisive moment of the struggle will give rise to tragic mishaps."
                                                                                   -Frantz Fanon
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For anyone who doesn't want to read all this, here's the summary...

I like guns.
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based on the few exchanges i've had with you, it's so clear that you respond to people's comments without actually reading them or any material that accompany them.

so, you've never had to defend yourself, someone you love, or your home? must be nice...

I read your whole comment, did not bother with the links this time though. That would be weird to reply to someone without reading their comment. I have never done that. If I'm interested in what you're saying or think your points are worth digging into, I'd check the links.

Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto. What sort of life are you living that you feel like you need guns to scare off bad guys? I'm being honest. I've lived in Oceanside CA literally a block from some sketchy shit. I'd bike home right through that spot at night all the time, walk the dog etc. Hell, I've taken a wrong turn in Long Beach and ended up with a whole bunch of people glaring at me, still didn't feel like I needed a gun. That's an American mindset. We're much more peaceful up here in Canada. 
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 01:51:57 PM
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Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
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as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.

the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...
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Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?

what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
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Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
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as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.

the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...
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Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?
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what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?

What enemies do you have to where you can't defend yourself with a handgun, shotgun, or ["non-assault"] rifle?

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2020, 02:07:28 PM
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Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
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as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.

the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...
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Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?
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what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?
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What enemies do you have to where you can't defend yourself with a handgun, shotgun, or ["non-assault"] rifle?

in the context of this conversation, why don't you explain to me what the difference is between my 9mm Glock handguns and my AKs (oh, sorry, my "assault" rifles)?

by the way, the vast majority of gun deaths are by handgun--if i remember right, like only 2% occur by "assault weapon"
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 21, 2020, 02:08:26 PM
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Just to take it back a bit, because this is interesting;
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We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
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The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
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He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
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You see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.

So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.

If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?
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Are you really trying your best, because your tone seems snide and the onion article was a clear joke.

Under Obama we got more wars, more drone bombings, more police militarization, bigger banks, Monsanto protection, Flint water crisis, Arctic drilling, government spying on reporters, NSA spying scandal, whistleblower torture (Chelsea Manning), ATF gunwalking scandal, IRS misconduct, and DAPL to name a few things.
Ok, so these things made people vote for Trump, but because of what exactly?

ATF gun walking started in 2006, DAPL involves jobs for Americans- same for arctic drilling (which Trump finalized...), Chelsea Manning was never popular with Republicans -because he/she was a considered a traitor (and was jailed again in 2019 after being commuted by Obama..), NSA spying has been a Patriot Act symptom since it was introduced.

So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 21, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
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Where in that link that you posted have a policy that would stop you from being able to defend yourself, your loved ones, or your home?
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as just one of the biggest and most basic issues, violent criminals (which is to saying nothing of the state in its various forms) have access to "high capacity" magazines and every platform and configuration of semi-auto and fully auto firearm (the latter of which nobody i know in my decades of shooting has had the money or resources to own, unlike the aforementioned), so so should my friends, family, neighbors, and i.

the registration program Biden is suggesting as an alternative to "buybacks," is just another way his classist shit comes to the surface, because of how expensive it is for NFA items--only people with money could register their weapons, fucking poor and working people, who are the ones who actually need them...
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Yet from that link that you posted, you would still be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and most rifles and still be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, and your home?
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what aren't you getting about bans on and/or coerced (and forced) buybacks of "high capacity magazines" and "assault weapons" and what that would mean for all of us trying to be at least comparably armed as those who pose a threat?
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What enemies do you have to where you can't defend yourself with a handgun, shotgun, or ["non-assault"] rifle?
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in the context of this conversation, why don't you explain to me what the difference is between my 9mm Glock handguns and my AKs (oh, sorry, my "assault" rifles)?

by the way, the vast majority of gun deaths are by handgun--if i remember right, like only 2% occur by "assault weapon"

You don't need to play the "What is an assault rifle" game with me. I like guns, and have shot guns in Georgia with my family, and I've already said Democrats don't exactly what know an assault rifle is. Which is why I put "non- assault" in quotations. A Ruger Mini-14 is as much of an "assault rifle" as a Knights Armament Company SR-15, but some Democrats don't even know enough about guns that they think they're different guns. The gun industry will always find loopholes around NFA laws, like the difference between a SBR, and an "AR-15 pistol" being just a "brace". Wait, didn't the Trump administration designate the Honey Badger from a pistol to an SBR and made millions of gun owners now potential felons?  ??? Not very pro-2A of him....
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 21, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
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Gene, I am genuinely interested to know what you mean by groupthink regarding covid, and what your opinion is on the matter, should it not align with the group.
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I think we should question the numbers and the efficacy of lockdowns, as I agree with the World Health Organization that lockdowns should not be used as the primary means of controlling the virus. The special envoy to covid at the WHO said, “lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never, ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.” (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/world-health-organization-coronavirus-lockdown-advice/12753688?)

In terms of numbers being inflated, Fauci himself said that the pcr tests are not reliable if the cycle threshold is 35 or more and that that would lead to false positives:
3:50 into this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE

The New York Times has reported on this as well (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html)

As far as saying we should be able to discuss challenging ideas without name calling, I was not asking for a safe space from EdLawndale, and wrote this because of the Appleyard thread torching him for his thoughts. Dude's a legend in skateboarding and doesn't deserve the shade thrown at him for expressing his opinion.

I agree with you that lockdowns are especially detrimental for people who have less money. Unfortunately, I’m not currently in a position to watch the video you posted, and the times article is behind a paywall on my phone, but it is my understanding that the pcr test is disadvantaged by higher probability of false negatives as opposed to false positives, but I am not an expert, so I would have to come back to that after taking a look at the info that’s available. Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 03:41:38 PM
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We got Trump because of Obama and Biden. As many have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
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The symptom of what exactly?
It's such a washed out statement that gives you some 14 million hits on google, from basically any type of media source on any remotely political topic you can imagine. If one could define what he is the symptom of, then maybe one could find a solution to it.
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He's the result of the failed policies of the previous administrations. Democrats need to look at why Trump was appealing in the first place, as opposed to viewing him as a unique existential threat and claiming that anyone who supports him is a brainwashed right wing white supremacist, as many have done on this thread. The last exchanges between Deputy Wendell and Big Skatefase are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

If you watched the video I posted there's many sources (majority msm media btw) and much information about what Obama did while in office.
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You see, there are some issues about using some washed up "comedian" as your source. Did Obama militarize the police? No, the DRMO (later DLA) with their 1033 program which has been running since the 1990s militarized the police because of an abundance of material available from OEF and OIF, plus the obvious influx of veterans of OEF and OIF who bring new TTPs into training. This however, has nothing to do with why Republicans voted for Trump, or anything about a cause or symptom.

So Jimmy here isn't truthful, even though he ranted about being it for a while. Hell, he even puts in an The Onion article at the end.. If I can dismantle Jimmys so called arguments, then I really hope that anyone can.

If I try my best to make a conclusion based on the video; The reason Republicans voted for Trump was because Obama involved the US in a lot of international situations. Am I onto what you consider to the reason? If not, could you for the sake of the discussion, list the most crucial failed policies?
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Are you really trying your best, because your tone seems snide and the onion article was a clear joke.

Under Obama we got more wars, more drone bombings, more police militarization, bigger banks, Monsanto protection, Flint water crisis, Arctic drilling, government spying on reporters, NSA spying scandal, whistleblower torture (Chelsea Manning), ATF gunwalking scandal, IRS misconduct, and DAPL to name a few things.
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Ok, so these things made people vote for Trump, but because of what exactly?

ATF gun walking started in 2006, DAPL involves jobs for Americans- same for arctic drilling (which Trump finalized...), Chelsea Manning was never popular with Republicans -because he/she was a considered a traitor (and was jailed again in 2019 after being commuted by Obama..), NSA spying has been a Patriot Act symptom since it was introduced.

So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.

You really don't understand it? Seriously?

Hillary Clinton ran on continuing the Obama legacy. (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-obamas-campaign-228625).

That legacy was not appealing to enough voters to win.

So when I say that we got Trump because of Obama and Biden's policies, I mean that not enough people wanted to support a third Obama term for Hillary to be elected.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 21, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad. 

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 21, 2020, 04:35:05 PM
The post about Trump being the symptom of Obama/Biden would be spot on if it came out and said "Most republicans couldn't stomach a fit, handsome, intelligent, educated, humorous, well spoken, family oriented Black man in the role that they themselves may have aspired towards when in kindergarten but that no one like them, other than in relation to the color of their skin, has or will ever hold."

Simply put, it's the fight for white supremacy.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 21, 2020, 04:39:32 PM
The post about Trump being the symptom of Obama/Biden would be spot on if it came out and said "Most republicans couldn't stomach a fit, handsome, intelligent, educated, humorous, well spoken, family oriented Black man in the role that they themselves may have aspired towards when in kindergarten but that no one like them, other than in relation to the color of their skin, has or will ever hold."

Simply put, it's the fight for white supremacy.

Sounds kinda similar to what Biden had to say about Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCvTb1KRNA

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 21, 2020, 04:48:22 PM
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The post about Trump being the symptom of Obama/Biden would be spot on if it came out and said "Most republicans couldn't stomach a fit, handsome, intelligent, educated, humorous, well spoken, family oriented Black man in the role that they themselves may have aspired towards when in kindergarten but that no one like them, other than in relation to the color of their skin, has or will ever hold."

Simply put, it's the fight for white supremacy.
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Sounds kinda similar to what Biden had to say about Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCvTb1KRNA

What's the point in posting that video clip?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 21, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.

You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 21, 2020, 05:20:05 PM
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This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
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You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States

I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 21, 2020, 08:02:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah

"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"

"You're 4 years too late"

So good lol

I love watching these - even more so now. Can't wait for January 20th. Trump rallies look like conventions for backwoods rednecks mixed with a bunch of cracked out carnies. Lol.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 21, 2020, 11:07:31 PM
So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.

This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)

Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 22, 2020, 01:13:07 AM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)

Lotta leaps on here and a great example of a straw man fallacy.

Do you really want to bring up deportation and kids?

Let’s take a quick look at Obama’s record:

Here he is deporting Honduran children as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum/a better life:
https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN0FK29N20140715
"The White House said on Tuesday that Central Americans trying to cross the U.S. border should know “they will not be welcome to this country,” a day after the United States deported a planeload of women and children to Honduras."

Here he is going after more power to send unaccompanied children back across the border
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-administration-seeks-power-send-kids-back-across-border
“President Obama is asking Congress to change the law to enable the government to inflict expedited removal on unaccompanied children. That is simply unconscionable,” said Leslie A. Holman, president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.” No matter what you call it, rapid deportations without any meaningful hearing for children who are rightly afraid of the violence and turmoil from which they fled is wrong, and contradicts the fundamental values of this nation.”

And maybe the most important one, is who built the cages and implemented that system. Do you remember when Michelle Obama spoke so passionately about Americans "watch[ing] in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown in cages"? Here's the AP Fact check on that statement and what she conveniently leaves out:
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3
"What she did not say is that the very same “cages” were built and used in her husband’s administration, for the same purpose of holding migrant kids temporarily."

Obama was a corporate shill who deported more people than any previous administration (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661), dropped so many bombs that they ran out (https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/index.html), not to mention drone bombing a wedding party that killed 33 innocent women and children in Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike) and had a cabinet that WikiLeaks revealed was chosen by CitiGroup (https://observer.com/2016/10/obama-makes-first-appearance-in-wikileaks-receives-admin-list-from-big-banker/).

Dude was a war criminal who gave great speeches, wore nice suits, charmed the media and continued business as usual.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on November 22, 2020, 02:00:07 AM
You really don't understand it? Seriously?

Hillary Clinton ran on continuing the Obama legacy. (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-obamas-campaign-228625).

That legacy was not appealing to enough voters to win.

So when I say that we got Trump because of Obama and Biden's policies, I mean that not enough people wanted to support a third Obama term for Hillary to be elected.
Ok, so completely ignoring the fact that the Democrats had a huge divide between Biden and Hillary supporters- what made the Republicans go for Trump? Or, is the quote supposed to be "the election of a republican president in 2016 is the symptom of internal problems in the democratic party" and it's completely irrelevant that Trump was the R Candidate?

Or, let's just put it like this; why did roughly half the country vote for Trump for a 2nd term? Simply because he was the republican candidate or because they like his policies and work so far?

As an outsider, it's completely mindblowing to see how people suck the dick of their party. You could have a known child molester as your candidate and people would still cheer for them. The toxic problem in US politics is the 2-party system, which quite frankly is just a single party away from being a 100% autocracy. You like guns? Well you also want to ban abortions, hate immigrants and you hold the Christian religion above anything else. You want Government healthcare? Now you hate guns and want to stop the oil industry. Like what the fuck kinda choices are that?

There isn't a single "freedom" that I am envious of the US for. What a fucking shithole.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 22, 2020, 02:23:39 AM
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You really don't understand it? Seriously?

Hillary Clinton ran on continuing the Obama legacy. (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-obamas-campaign-228625).

That legacy was not appealing to enough voters to win.

So when I say that we got Trump because of Obama and Biden's policies, I mean that not enough people wanted to support a third Obama term for Hillary to be elected.
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Ok, so completely ignoring the fact that the Democrats had a huge divide between Biden and Hillary supporters- what made the Republicans go for Trump? Or, is the quote supposed to be "the election of a republican president in 2016 is the symptom of internal problems in the democratic party" and it's completely irrelevant that Trump was the R Candidate?

Or, let's just put it like this; why did roughly half the country vote for Trump for a 2nd term? Simply because he was the republican candidate or because they like his policies and work so far?

As an outsider, it's completely mindblowing to see how people suck the dick of their party. You could have a known child molester as your candidate and people would still cheer for them. The toxic problem in US politics is the 2-party system, which quite frankly is just a single party away from being a 100% autocracy. You like guns? Well you also want to ban abortions, hate immigrants and you hold the Christian religion above anything else. You want Government healthcare? Now you hate guns and want to stop the oil industry. Like what the fuck kinda choices are that?

There isn't a single "freedom" that I am envious of the US for. What a fucking shithole.

Your endless questions are growing tiresome, but I do agree with you that the two party system is toxic.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 22, 2020, 06:15:45 AM
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This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
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You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
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I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.

you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?

the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.

do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?

what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 22, 2020, 09:53:59 AM
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This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
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You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
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I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.
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you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?

the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.

do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?

what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...

Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.

I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the point that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 22, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
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This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
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You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
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I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.
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you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?

the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.

do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?

what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...
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Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.

I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the pint that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.

As you guys say, I really am genuinely curious if you're aware that everything you just posted falls under the anecdotal evidence logical fallacy and is actually kind of silly?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 22, 2020, 11:04:42 AM
This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.

The weirdest part for me is that not only does he feel he needs a gun, but that the type of guns he's legally allowed to own still aren't enough to feel like he can defend himself? Certainly makes it seem like the motives aren't quite genuine, but like you I'm not from the US so the whole concept is nuts. The idea of open carry laws is fucking insane. Dude's who are so passionate about upholding those rights may as well have a tshirt with "I have a tiny cock" written on it.


Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

If only the old man had a gun on him, he could've defended himself and I'm sure there's no chance anybody could've got hurt!
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 22, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
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This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
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You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
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I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.
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you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?

the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.

do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?

what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...
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Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.

I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the pint that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.
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As you guys say, I really am genuinely curious if you're aware that everything you just posted falls under the anecdotal evidence logical fallacy and is actually kind of silly?

I’m not quite sure I follow you - when he explained his personal situation I said I could see why he might feel the way he does. And yes, my experience is anecdotal - I offered it as an example of someone who apparently lived somewhere “dangerous “ but did not feel the need to own a gun for protection. What am I missing here?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: brycickle on November 22, 2020, 12:40:17 PM
You could have a known child molester as your candidate and people would still cheer for them.
You mean like Donald Trump?



by the way, the vast majority of gun deaths are by handgun--if i remember right, like only 2% occur by "assault weapon"
And the vast majority of those are suicides.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 22, 2020, 03:43:20 PM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)

well said. the dude is trolling hard.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on November 22, 2020, 06:36:43 PM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
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well said. the dude is trolling hard.

I don't know that Gene is necessarily trolling or making his arguments in bad faith - many of the points on the past mistakes made by democrats and "liberal" politicians are valid.

But the important question that gets raised by his arguments is - is the democratic party salvageable or even worth saving due to its shortcomings? We can all agree that there have been some major missteps, both in the past and the present (I range from "not wild" to "incredibly disappointed" about many of Biden's tentative cabinet picks).

While trying not to speak entirely for Gene, it appears that his opinion is along the lines of that the failure of the democratic party to live up to its promises has been consistent and repeated often enough that at this point the party is broken beyond repair.

What I'm hearing from others in this thread is that despite its flaws, there is still hope and faith in the democrats to protect and enrich the lives of their constituency, at least in a way that republican lawmakers will be unable, or unwilling, to do.

I think these are both valid viewpoints, and as shown by Deputy Wendell's posts - individual lived experiences drive different "wedge" issues and generate varying amounts of faith in the two parties and their stances on various domestic policies.
 
The largest opportunity for the democrats to succeed is by listening to, and campaigning based on, the varying views within the party, or the "left" as a whole. Democrats ate shit this election is a way that can't simply be described as "Trump voters racist". A push for centrist platforms across the board obviously failed, and that's not to say centrism doesn't have a place in the party - what went wrong is that almost all candidates said "here's what you're going to get, and you'll vote for us because (D)". Trump's campaign team used a boots on the ground approach that made voters feel appreciated and listened to rather than disenfranchised, which is part of the reason why he increased his support with various minority groups that democrats have long taken as a given vote. I'm a huge advocate of strong progressive policies where there is an opportunity to implement them - successful implementation will drive a desire in other regions. There shouldn't be any fear of being called a socialist, the republican candidate will call you that anyways and if you're able to articulate how your policy will improve the lives of all of your constituents, you may generate support in a manner that wasn't really seen this cycle.

The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 23, 2020, 05:34:34 AM
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This is a really interesting thread, being a Canadian. I'm genuinely curious what sort of life Deputy Wendell is living that has resulted in him needing guns to protect himself. The only thing I can think of is either living in a very dangerous ghetto (though many people live in that sort of situation and don't own guns) or being involved in criminal activity. The gun obsession in America is both scary and sad.
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You probably know this but gun laws in the US are hugely different depending upon the state one lives in. I am not an expert and don’t follow gun laws, but I know that certain states have open or concealed carry. The only guns I have ever seen in NJ are hunting rifles during deer season. Some states you can buy guns at Walmart—you cannot in NJ.

I would never want to live in a state that allowed its citizens to walk into a public space packing heat. Some may claim that the ability to carry a weapon in public is a American freedom, but when I am in states that allows its citizens to openly carry I do not feel comfortable. And the idea concealed carry really bothers me. Wikipedia has a page on concealed carry in the US and it is even more complex than I thought.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
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I feel the same - and I love the US. If I could legally live in California I'd be there in a heartbeat. Now, Newark NJ, for example, is not somewhere I'd want to live. I've spent about 2 weeks there and I once saw a dude with a gun clearly visible in his waistband casually rip a chain off an old man's neck, start jogging away, and then slowed back down to a walk when he realized an old man is not going to chase some thug with a gun who just robbed him. Broad daylight on the main drag, right across the street from those dope granite ledges that go for a whole block. Yeesh.

I also want to make it clear I'm not trying to antagonize DeputyWendell - I really am curious what sort of circumstances he lives in that make him feel the way he does about needing guns.
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you stated that twice now on the last page or so of this thread...should i tell you my life story? i'm 50 years old in April, where would you like me to start? i mention above that i'm an English professor in the humanities, so obviously as of late, things are ok...but should i make this thread about me?

the most darling thing that anyone has said in this entire thread is when you say above: "Of course I haven't had to defend anyone by brandishing a gun. I don't live in some trap house in a US ghetto." you reveal so much about yourself and your life there.

do you have any idea what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding poor/working people who just want to work and live with a little dignity, and raise children with decent schools, feel safe, etc.?

what i will say is, although i'm temporarily in one of its inner-ring suburbs, i have lived in the city of Detroit for over thirty years, and i have seen and experienced what one single "trap house in a US ghetto" can do to the daily lives of an entire surrounding neighborhood of law-abiding people, and it's one of many reasons that some of my experiences in life let me know for sure that i should at least aspire to be comparably armed as the desperate human beings running that one "trap house in a US ghetto"...
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Thanks for the explanation - so the answer was that you did live in a sketchy neighborhood, in Detroit. I assume you must have been robbed while living there, which made you want to have a gun, which seems reasonable. Comparing your experience in one of the most dangerous cities in the country to the lives of all low income people everywhere is kind of silly though. I'm poor, and as I mentioned, where I lived in Oceanside CA was right next to a ghetto that I'm sure had multiple trap houses. In that area I felt perfectly safe, so it's not reflective of your claims that poor people in poor neighborhoods want/need guns for protection.

I've talked to countless americans about the gun obsession - particularly on one road trip in the early 2000's where we asked everyone we met if they owned a gun, and why. The people who owned guns almost unanimously claimed paranoia about being robbed by their neighbors as the reason for the guns. As Canadians we found this very interesting and sad at the same time, that americans hate/distrust each other so much to the pint that they've convinced themselves that their own neighbors/government might come to rob/kill them. We really are very lucky to live in such a peaceful country, in comparison.

i've never once felt compelled to address another person here in Slap like this, but you are the worst commenter in these forums--fuck you and fuck your dipshit assumptions about my life and experiences--you're wrong about everything you assume in the above post.

your comments just radiate a perspective of someone who hasn't been through shit (there's no way you're past your early 20s), yet can not see beyond the narrow horizons of his own limited experience in life.

and who is comparing his experiences to "low income people everywhere"? you're the only one whose posts are plagued by personal anecdotes.

and why in the fuck do you keep bringing up "trap houses"? how fucking random and in a way irrelevant to a discussion about legally owning guns and having a CPL, since "trap houses" will always be filled with guns that were derived illegally. is living in and/or near one, your one and only criterion for what justifies being armed?

here, let me assume something about you now--stop listening to bad American rap you fatuous Canuck, because it's clearly distorting your perspective of this country, which is vast, complex, and varies widely from city to city, state to state, and region to region.

since it's fresh in the news, just one of many examples of how often people need to defend themselves in the suburbs and not just in "trap houses in US ghettos"--a woman here in Michigan (Tina Talbot) was just recently released from prison (i signed the petition for her release) after shooting and killing her husband, who had been brutalizing her and her young son. "Both of her lungs were partially collapsed, her spleen was ruptured, her ribs and an arm were broken" (from the Detroit Free Press article) when she finally had to shoot him to save her and her son's life. this all happened in the suburbs, and the semi-automatic handgun she used takes anywhere from 10 to 33-round magazines, just like the AKs in my gun safe (30-round magazines are standard capacity magazines for the AK platform), just for one example of how ignorant and arbitrary proposed gun regulations are, when they come from pandering politicians who know nothing about the infinite variety of gun calibers, platforms, and configurations they're trying to regulate.

U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez in CA has been fighting California's absurd gun laws, focusing specifically on restrictions on magazine capacity. in the successful ruling temporarily lifting the ban on "high capacity" magazines back in April (it's still being disputed), Judge Benitez discussed three different home invasions that had occurred, and some were of course in suburban communities. "Judge Benitez described three home invasions, two of which ended with the female victims running out of bullets...In the third case, the pajama-clad woman with a 'high-capacity' magazine took on three armed intruders, firing at them while simultaneously calling for help on her phone...'She had no place to carry an extra magazine and no way to reload because her left hand held the phone with which she was still trying to call 911',  the judge wrote, saying she killed one attacker while two escaped."
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: JANUS on November 23, 2020, 06:04:33 AM
Canuck?!

CANUCK!?!?!?

That’s our word! Fuck you, buddy!
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Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on November 23, 2020, 08:05:25 AM
Stop being a scared bitch Wendell.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Glurmpz on November 23, 2020, 08:55:22 AM
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Sheesh - what an insane response to my post in which I said I could understand why he may feel the need to own a gun. 

But also - my new approach on here when it comes to disrespectful posters who resort to insults and attacks when someone doesn't 100% agree with everything they say is to just put them on ignore. I don't have time for adults who act like teenagers.

Glad to see other posters realize the incredible flaws in his logic. What a nut.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on November 23, 2020, 09:00:29 AM
Stop being a scared bitch Wendell.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 23, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
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Stop being a scared bitch Wendell.
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the only people i am scared of are all of the tough guys in here--kisses to every one of you, especially Glurmpz
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Dirty_Dan90 on November 23, 2020, 09:31:06 AM
Trump pushes mongo
Biden scrapes mannys and calls it good


Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 23, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
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well said. the dude is trolling hard.
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The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.

So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.

I’ll repeat this again.

There is proof that Obama’s cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.

There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.

There is proof that Obama’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.

To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.

As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.

But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on November 23, 2020, 11:07:08 AM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
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well said. the dude is trolling hard.
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The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.
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So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.

I’ll repeat this again.

There is proof that Obama’s whole cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.

There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.

There is proof that Obam’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.

To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.

As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.

But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?

I’m in agreement with you on all of these items, but my question is - what next?

I’m not asking this rhetorically or to sound like I’m holier than thou, but are you completely checked out on American politics because of these failures of the system and the seemingly inescapable corporate influence on politicians? If so, that’s fine and completely understandable, but I guess my follow up question is - why participate in this thread? Is it just to show you know more about the evils of politicians?

There’s an abundance of absolute scumbags on both sides of party lines, no doubt. I’m a multiple time Bernie and progressive donor and strong dem-socialist supporter. I’ve been disappointed multiple times by the actions of the DNC. However, as it stands this is the system we have and I’m not going to sit on the sidelines and pout until someone else fixes it or makes it better for me.


I do have hope for a push left in the party as a result of a change in messaging and campaigning strategies, or of a third party coming into play - a revamped Green Party or People’s Party. Some great progressive policies got passed this election cycle, and some progressive candidates like Nithya Raman in Los Angeles. But this only happens with enthusiastic participation and engagement with members of the public and your peers. Complaining of a broken system while not working towards a better one is just as useless as plugging your ears and pretending nothing is wrong in the current one.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 23, 2020, 11:32:45 AM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
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well said. the dude is trolling hard.
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The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.
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So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.

I’ll repeat this again.

There is proof that Obama’s cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.

There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.

There is proof that Obama’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.

To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.

As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.

But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?

Of course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 23, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
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So I really don't understand how these things that happened under Obama made Republicans vote for Trump. Several of them are no doubt bad, although maybe not directly controlled by Obama, but others are typically things Republicans favor. So what is it? It would be great to see your answers rather than my assumptions.
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This guys points aren't meant to represent why Republicans voted for Trump, they are simply poor attempts to create doubt among the left.

I'd guess this guys bullshit has five intended consequences:

1) Make the left doubt their leaders. (But this only works if we, like Trump supporters, are sycophants and hero-worship them, which I don't. I already know Democrats aren't perfect and my goal is stay on them... not to disengage or turn to the American Falange, I mean the GOP/Trump.)
 
2) Make it seem as a break between ideology and practice (i.e. compromise) is unacceptable in a democracy. (This is the way Trump tried to govern and a key reason he energized the left to vote for Biden... I voted Democrat for the first time ever due to Trump's horrible governing strategy of only governing for red states/cities... compromising with the right sucks, but Trump's inability to compromise certainly got me to the election booth.)

3) Create a "they're both equally bad" narrative to disengage left leaning voters. (It is absurd to even attempt to paint blue and red as equally bad. Trump is currently attempting to steal the election with lawsuits and subverting the voters will by hatching plans with hacks to sabotage our democracy... and most Republicans leaders aren't doing shit to protect America from this attack.)

4) Get left leaning people to defend policies that shouldn't be defended. (I won't defend them, but I will say none of them are as scary as the right's policies. It bums me out Obama deported people... but I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country where Trump ripped children away from their parents' arms as a "form of deterrence" to people seeking asylum / a better life.)

5) Attempt to place problems on Obama, Biden, etc. that weren't necessarily their fault. (Obama was blocked by McTurtle for 6 of his 8 years. Saying legislation should have been passed when Republicans blocked anything from moving forward in the Senate for 6 years is insane. Not to mention the president is the head of the executive branch, not the king of the states.)
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well said. the dude is trolling hard.
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The point of this longwinded post is to say - these debates among left leaning people are just as important or more than cross-party debates, and it's important to acknowledge the shortcomings within one's own party in order to improve it - or blow it up and start again.
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So far no one wants to acknowledge any of these “shortcomings,” and instead has resorted to writing a mountain of bs imaginings about why I posted what I posted and then arguing against their own assumptions. Or they’ve asked a million patronizing, pedantic questions.

I’ll repeat this again.

There is proof that Obama’s whole cabinet was chosen by the CitiGroup corporation.

There is proof that Obama committed war crimes and killed innocent women and children.

There is proof that Obam’s administration is the one who built the cages that imprisoned immigrant children.

To act like the appeal of Trump is simply “white supremacy” is incredibly ignorant and short sighted.

As you mentioned in your post, Biden’s cabinet picks are disgusting and show his corporatist, Wall Street backed priorities.

But based on the previous Obama and Biden administration, should we really be surprised?
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I’m in agreement with you on all of these items, but my question is - what next?

I’m not asking this rhetorically or to sound like I’m holier than thou, but are you completely checked out on American politics because of these failures of the system and the seemingly inescapable corporate influence on politicians? If so, that’s fine and completely understandable, but I guess my follow up question is - why participate in this thread? Is it just to show you know more about the evils of politicians?

There’s an abundance of absolute scumbags on both sides of party lines, no doubt. I’m a multiple time Bernie and progressive donor and strong dem-socialist supporter. I’ve been disappointed multiple times by the actions of the DNC. However, as it stands this is the system we have and I’m not going to sit on the sidelines and pout until someone else fixes it or makes it better for me.


I do have hope for a push left in the party as a result of a change in messaging and campaigning strategies, or of a third party coming into play - a revamped Green Party or People’s Party. Some great progressive policies got passed this election cycle, and some progressive candidates like Nithya Raman in Los Angeles. But this only happens with enthusiastic participation and engagement with members of the public and your peers. Complaining of a broken system while not working towards a better one is just as useless as plugging your ears and pretending nothing is wrong in the current one.

What next is we need to wake up from the ideological divisions that have been sowed by the media and join together to get our priorities straight in order to make politicians give us things in order to get our vote.

Ranked choice voting on the national level would go a long ways to getting this started.

We need people participating in their city council meetings and being aware of what the government is doing locally as well as nationally. Politicians are supposed to be representatives of the people and work for us.

Say what you will about the virus, but I'm fucking shocked by the amount of people who are willing to give over the care of their health and their personal sovereignty to a government that has a long history of lying, cheating, and poisoning us.

The fact that the first stimulus bill was passed by a voice vote says everything. These people didn't want to be linked to their vote. AOC was able to both "vote" for the bill and then criticize it later.

And let's look at who most of the money in that bill went to. It's fucking corporations again!

Overturning Citizens United would also be a great step in the right direction.

I'll be honest with you and say that I think there is a consciousness awakening happening right now, and once we reach a certain point there won't be a need for political parties any longer.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 23, 2020, 12:27:19 PM
Of course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.

You provide no evidence and then ask me to provide evidence?

Even going along with your assertion, I'll take bullying language all day long if it means no new wars.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Frank on November 23, 2020, 12:40:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvMNLhJrb0
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on November 23, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
The two parties were much closer to one another in the 90s than they are today. The right has gone off the rails. These false equivalencies aren't convincing to anyone outside of those who already back Trump.

Under the Obama admin we saw the creation of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. An agency that was neutered under Trump who wanted zero protection for workers or consumers.

Under Obama we saw an increase in legislation meant at protecting the environment and the US taking the baby step of joining the Paris Agreement. Trump undid much of the environmental rules, opened up mining on protected federal lands, shrunk the size of national parks, and tried to leave the Paris Agreement AND is currently fucking up the arctic open for the benefit of the oil companies. (The baby step of joining the toothless Paris Agreement sent Trump and the GOP into convulsions.)

Under the Obama admin we saw DACA implemented to protect immigrants who came here at a very young age and we saw the increase of policing of immigration (seems kind of like a compromise with the right). Trump tried to undo DACA immediately, blocked people with visas from coming to America because they were Muslim (protecting the freedom of religion part of the Constitution there huh?)... and Sessions and Trump thought it'd be good immigration policy to separate children from their families (some of those children still haven't been reunited with their parents).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html

Obama's cabinet is full of the educated and experienced centrists that one would expect to find in a government that is trying to "reach across the aisle." Trump's cabinet was full of people who didn't even know what their agency did and were completely incompetent or far right idealogues (DeVos, Perry, etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama%27s_Cabinet

Dick Cheney and Bush figured out ways to "legally" torture people. Obama didn't torture people, although he ordered drone strikes in a way that was wrong. Trump campaigned on making the US a torture state again; he pardoned someone who engaged in war crimes; and couldn't stop jacking off thinking about dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb.

Trump wrote love letters to Kim Jong-un. He backed out of the Iran deal and gave the far right more power in Iran (as the moderates were the ones willing to attempt to negotiate with the West... he only made things harder for normal people in Iran and decreased the security of the world).

Obama was there immediately to help all red and blue states after Katrina. Trump told California no federal emergency funding for the wild fires and asked if he could nuke a fucking hurricane. And, left PR to die and tried to give 300 million to his friend via a corrupt deal (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/29/puerto-rico-governor-whitefish-power-contract-cancelled).

Obama was front and center when the ebola scare occurred and he declared H1N1 a national emergency in oct of 2009... throughout the Covid crisis Trump has either said, "Maybe we can inject bleach into people" or went to the golf course, he shadow team (Kushner's frat boy idiots) said, "Fuck it. It is a blue state problem. Let's do nothing" and his official team (Pence) has had people get COVID (not to mention the WH is on its 3rd wave of the COVID... and the fucking president got it and over 100 secret service officers). The fucker didn't even bother going to the recent G20 meeting about covid, but went and played some more golf.

Obama obviously not stoked about Trump winning invited him to the White House, opened up the funding Trump needed to start his transition, and told the country, "We need this guy to do well because he is running the ship that we're all on" Trump won't concede, attempted to steal the election via the courts and is now trying to subvert the will of the people through fucking with the electoral college process and creating doubt on the integrity of US elections (which have structural problems that are meant to keep people of color from voting... not Trump's white base).

“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”


Fuck this both parties are equal bullshit. One is a bit softer on issues than I would like them to be, but the other purposefully makes the world a worse place for the interests of the very few.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: IUTSM on November 23, 2020, 03:50:23 PM
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Of course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.
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You provide no evidence and then ask me to provide evidence?

Even going along with your assertion, I'll take bullying language all day long if it means no new wars.

Come on dude, there's no absence of military  contractors holding down the US presence throughout the Middle East and rest of the world. Don't play coy.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on November 23, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
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Of course, they're all outright corporatist shills. Both parties are merely wings of one big Corporate party, there's no getting around it. At this point in time, however, what's the point of focusing on the war crimes committed by the Obama administration other than downplaying the destruction enacted by the Trump administration? I haven't seen anyone here say "Joe Biden is a good guy," maybe I've missed it. The Trump administration has been awful, if in no other way than the constant onslaught of bullying language and behavior, for the "average" American. If you believe otherwise, provide examples proving otherwise.
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You provide no evidence and then ask me to provide evidence?

Even going along with your assertion, I'll take bullying language all day long if it means no new wars.
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Come on dude, there's no absence of military  contractors holding down the US presence throughout the Middle East and rest of the world. Don't play coy.

That's true. We should not be involved in these foreign occupations. We should remove everyone from the region and allow the people of the ME to defend themselves. As long as we are there, as a destabilizing presence, they will never be able to achieve true peace.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on November 23, 2020, 05:21:26 PM
The two parties were much closer to one another in the 90s than they are today. The right has gone off the rails. These false equivalencies aren't convincing to anyone outside of those who already back Trump.

Under the Obama admin we saw the creation of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. An agency that was neutered under Trump who wanted zero protection for workers or consumers.

Under Obama we saw an increase in legislation meant at protecting the environment and the US taking the baby step of joining the Paris Agreement. Trump undid much of the environmental rules, opened up mining on protected federal lands, shrunk the size of national parks, and tried to leave the Paris Agreement AND is currently fucking up the arctic open for the benefit of the oil companies. (The baby step of joining the toothless Paris Agreement sent Trump and the GOP into convulsions.)

Under the Obama admin we saw DACA implemented to protect immigrants who came here at a very young age and we saw the increase of policing of immigration (seems kind of like a compromise with the right). Trump tried to undo DACA immediately, blocked people with visas from coming to America because they were Muslim (protecting the freedom of religion part of the Constitution there huh?)... and Sessions and Trump thought it'd be good immigration policy to separate children from their families (some of those children still haven't been reunited with their parents).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html

Obama's cabinet is full of the educated and experienced centrists that one would expect to find in a government that is trying to "reach across the aisle." Trump's cabinet was full of people who didn't even know what their agency did and were completely incompetent or far right idealogues (DeVos, Perry, etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama%27s_Cabinet

Dick Cheney and Bush figured out ways to "legally" torture people. Obama didn't torture people, although he ordered drone strikes in a way that was wrong. Trump campaigned on making the US a torture state again; he pardoned someone who engaged in war crimes; and couldn't stop jacking off thinking about dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb.

Trump wrote love letters to Kim Jong-un. He backed out of the Iran deal and gave the far right more power in Iran (as the moderates were the ones willing to attempt to negotiate with the West... he only made things harder for normal people in Iran and decreased the security of the world).

Obama was there immediately to help all red and blue states after Katrina. Trump told California no federal emergency funding for the wild fires and asked if he could nuke a fucking hurricane. And, left PR to die and tried to give 300 million to his friend via a corrupt deal (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/29/puerto-rico-governor-whitefish-power-contract-cancelled).

Obama was front and center when the ebola scare occurred and he declared H1N1 a national emergency in oct of 2009... throughout the Covid crisis Trump has either said, "Maybe we can inject bleach into people" or went to the golf course, he shadow team (Kushner's frat boy idiots) said, "Fuck it. It is a blue state problem. Let's do nothing" and his official team (Pence) has had people get COVID (not to mention the WH is on its 3rd wave of the COVID... and the fucking president got it and over 100 secret service officers). The fucker didn't even bother going to the recent G20 meeting about covid, but went and played some more golf.

Obama obviously not stoked about Trump winning invited him to the White House, opened up the funding Trump needed to start his transition, and told the country, "We need this guy to do well because he is running the ship that we're all on" Trump won't concede, attempted to steal the election via the courts and is now trying to subvert the will of the people through fucking with the electoral college process and creating doubt on the integrity of US elections (which have structural problems that are meant to keep people of color from voting... not Trump's white base).

“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”


Fuck this both parties are equal bullshit. One is a bit softer on issues than I would like them to be, but the other purposefully makes the world a worse place for the interests of the very few.

Amazing to see someone on a skateboard forum argue for a cabinet chosen by a corporation.

Fuck your fuck this both parties are equal bullshit.

It's time to wake up.

They are both uniquely evil in their own ways and beholden to those with money. Not we the people.

They've used the media to get us to argue against each other, instead of realizing that we have more in common than we have difference.

We should have Medicare for All.

We should have have a ubi during this time period when the government has unconstitutionally shut down our lives and our economy.

It is fucked beyond belief that Americans have been allowed to go for so long without any help from the government, and now these assholes are going on vacation while other people's mortgages go unpaid through no fault of their own.

I'm not happy with either side and I think that how we live our lives in relation to the government is going to change very soon.

We are all part of the same consciousness and it's not sustainable to be so divided like this.

Once the division falls away, all these arguments will be meaningless.

Shalom.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Big Skatefase on November 23, 2020, 06:07:06 PM
As long as Republicans can weaponize faux-patriotism and faux-christian values while appealing to Neo-Nazis, and Democrats can bring nothing to the table politically other than “Vote for us because the other side is worse” there will always be political parties.

It will just be an eternal struggle of progressives trying to push a center right Democratic Party more left, and fascists trying to move a far-right party into something even more sinister.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on December 02, 2020, 02:27:33 PM
What’s the over/under on all of blumps statements versus a fact-check?  I’m 13 minutes in and my gut has me at 0 for all of them so far.  I’ll go with 2* factually correct statements for the whole speech.

*facts may be distorted.

Edit. +1 he is correct that he was winning but ended up losing.  I hope he doesn’t declare the Cleveland Indians the actual winner of the 2016 World Series because I got to watch games 6 and 7 minutes out my dad and I can’t give those memories back.

Edit 2 @28 minutes he blames illegals. It was sly but a quick fuck you.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on December 03, 2020, 02:37:17 PM
Edit. +1 he is correct that he was winning but ended up losing. 

No he wasn't. He always had less votes, just there was a point when more of his had been counted. But all those votes were still sitting there and still said the same thing.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on December 04, 2020, 05:35:29 AM
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Edit. +1 he is correct that he was winning but ended up losing. 
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No he wasn't. He always had less votes, just there was a point when more of his had been counted. But all those votes were still sitting there and still said the same thing.

True, guess I was just feeling bad for the Orangeman. I’m really just excited for the rest of the sycophants to get out of the tub so Donald can play with his poop alone.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: essal on December 04, 2020, 09:57:52 AM
did anyone watch all 46 minutes of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP0ixjE7JIU

i am at a loss of words
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on December 04, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
I watched 30 plus.  When I was sure he wasn’t going to declare himself dictator I tuned out.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Donkey Lips on December 04, 2020, 01:34:49 PM
Nobody in their right mind is going to watch this guy pussyache for 45 minutes about losing.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Alan on December 04, 2020, 02:17:41 PM
Nobody in their right mind is going to watch this guy pussyache for 45 minutes about losing.

Yeah, unless it's your job then there absolutely no reason to watch it all.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: brycickle on December 04, 2020, 04:07:37 PM
I just let Stephen Colbert sum it up for me.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on December 04, 2020, 06:34:48 PM
It was entertaining.  Had he won it would be scary but it was a fitting address to sum up his life/career/presidency. 
Do a anybody still trip on that?  A racist, homophobe, misogynist complete loser failure businessman was elected president.  Just about every time I hear him speak or read his Twitter I spend several minutes wondering if I have actually just lost my mind or got in a bad car wreck and have been in a deep coma and have imagined everything.  And if that’s the case, could I just do hard flips too, or is my mind only willing to let so much impossibility be imaginable?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: TheLurper on December 08, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
The craziness just keeps getting more intense. Democracy seems to be crumbling in the US. I can't believe the GOP is going out of its way to invalidate votes it doesn't like this.

I also feel I should be doing something, but what that something is I have no idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/08/texas-lawsuit-donald-trump-election-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin?
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 08, 2020, 11:07:29 AM
It was entertaining.  Had he won it would be scary but it was a fitting address to sum up his life/career/presidency. 
Do a anybody still trip on that?  A racist, homophobe, misogynist complete loser failure businessman was elected president.  Just about every time I hear him speak or read his Twitter I spend several minutes wondering if I have actually just lost my mind or got in a bad car wreck and have been in a deep coma and have imagined everything. And if that’s the case, could I just do hard flips too, or is my mind only willing to let so much impossibility be imaginable?

this is no new or original take on what you say here, but one question to reflect on is to what degree this is his whole point...google Trump and "gaslighting" and there's plenty to read

it seems like the ongoing efforts to challenge and discredit the election are increasingly like a whole other corresponding approach to gaslighting
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Land of the Faust on December 08, 2020, 12:21:27 PM
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The two parties were much closer to one another in the 90s than they are today. The right has gone off the rails. These false equivalencies aren't convincing to anyone outside of those who already back Trump.

Under the Obama admin we saw the creation of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. An agency that was neutered under Trump who wanted zero protection for workers or consumers.

Under Obama we saw an increase in legislation meant at protecting the environment and the US taking the baby step of joining the Paris Agreement. Trump undid much of the environmental rules, opened up mining on protected federal lands, shrunk the size of national parks, and tried to leave the Paris Agreement AND is currently fucking up the arctic open for the benefit of the oil companies. (The baby step of joining the toothless Paris Agreement sent Trump and the GOP into convulsions.)

Under the Obama admin we saw DACA implemented to protect immigrants who came here at a very young age and we saw the increase of policing of immigration (seems kind of like a compromise with the right). Trump tried to undo DACA immediately, blocked people with visas from coming to America because they were Muslim (protecting the freedom of religion part of the Constitution there huh?)... and Sessions and Trump thought it'd be good immigration policy to separate children from their families (some of those children still haven't been reunited with their parents).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html

Obama's cabinet is full of the educated and experienced centrists that one would expect to find in a government that is trying to "reach across the aisle." Trump's cabinet was full of people who didn't even know what their agency did and were completely incompetent or far right idealogues (DeVos, Perry, etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama%27s_Cabinet

Dick Cheney and Bush figured out ways to "legally" torture people. Obama didn't torture people, although he ordered drone strikes in a way that was wrong. Trump campaigned on making the US a torture state again; he pardoned someone who engaged in war crimes; and couldn't stop jacking off thinking about dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb.

Trump wrote love letters to Kim Jong-un. He backed out of the Iran deal and gave the far right more power in Iran (as the moderates were the ones willing to attempt to negotiate with the West... he only made things harder for normal people in Iran and decreased the security of the world).

Obama was there immediately to help all red and blue states after Katrina. Trump told California no federal emergency funding for the wild fires and asked if he could nuke a fucking hurricane. And, left PR to die and tried to give 300 million to his friend via a corrupt deal (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/29/puerto-rico-governor-whitefish-power-contract-cancelled).

Obama was front and center when the ebola scare occurred and he declared H1N1 a national emergency in oct of 2009... throughout the Covid crisis Trump has either said, "Maybe we can inject bleach into people" or went to the golf course, he shadow team (Kushner's frat boy idiots) said, "Fuck it. It is a blue state problem. Let's do nothing" and his official team (Pence) has had people get COVID (not to mention the WH is on its 3rd wave of the COVID... and the fucking president got it and over 100 secret service officers). The fucker didn't even bother going to the recent G20 meeting about covid, but went and played some more golf.

Obama obviously not stoked about Trump winning invited him to the White House, opened up the funding Trump needed to start his transition, and told the country, "We need this guy to do well because he is running the ship that we're all on" Trump won't concede, attempted to steal the election via the courts and is now trying to subvert the will of the people through fucking with the electoral college process and creating doubt on the integrity of US elections (which have structural problems that are meant to keep people of color from voting... not Trump's white base).

“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”


Fuck this both parties are equal bullshit. One is a bit softer on issues than I would like them to be, but the other purposefully makes the world a worse place for the interests of the very few.
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Amazing to see someone on a skateboard forum argue for a cabinet chosen by a corporation.

Fuck your fuck this both parties are equal bullshit.

It's time to wake up.

They are both uniquely evil in their own ways and beholden to those with money. Not we the people.

They've used the media to get us to argue against each other, instead of realizing that we have more in common than we have difference.

We should have Medicare for All.

We should have have a ubi during this time period when the government has unconstitutionally shut down our lives and our economy.

It is fucked beyond belief that Americans have been allowed to go for so long without any help from the government, and now these assholes are going on vacation while other people's mortgages go unpaid through no fault of their own.

I'm not happy with either side and I think that how we live our lives in relation to the government is going to change very soon.

We are all part of the same consciousness and it's not sustainable to be so divided like this.

Once the division falls away, all these arguments will be meaningless.

Shalom.

Bingo. Both sides are equally guilty of disgusting war crimes and acts against humanity. Biden voted for the war in Iraq. A vote for Biden was a vote for killing children. It's that simple. Are we really going to hold him accountable now that he's pushing for Rahm Emmanuel to have a cabinet position? Really?

If Biden actually ends the war with Yemen, I might not think he's that bad. That said, he will probably move troops to a border nation then push them back in once the media is no longer focused on Yemen.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Telly on December 08, 2020, 03:06:33 PM
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It was entertaining.  Had he won it would be scary but it was a fitting address to sum up his life/career/presidency. 
Do a anybody still trip on that?  A racist, homophobe, misogynist complete loser failure businessman was elected president.  Just about every time I hear him speak or read his Twitter I spend several minutes wondering if I have actually just lost my mind or got in a bad car wreck and have been in a deep coma and have imagined everything. And if that’s the case, could I just do hard flips too, or is my mind only willing to let so much impossibility be imaginable?
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this is no new or original take on what you say here, but one question to reflect on is to what degree this is his whole point...google Trump and "gaslighting" and there's plenty to read

it seems like the ongoing efforts to challenge and discredit the election are increasingly like a whole other corresponding approach to gaslighting

I’m slightly confused by your post. 
To be clear I’m not believing anything he says, just that occasionally it feels more likely I’m tripping on acid than it is the president of the United States would speak as this buffoon does.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: geneparmesan on December 08, 2020, 10:00:31 PM
I think there's a good chance something like this happens. The Republicans seem disciplined enough to work the system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBgw-eEK30w

If that happens, that's when the riots that we were all expecting for the election day go down.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 08, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
Why don't people file a bunch of lawsuits against Trump and his suppporters for impeding democracy? That seems like it would be a good response.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: craig_midnight on December 21, 2020, 01:15:44 PM
Looking for the " Pro Trump skater thread"
 
Uncle Donnie is about to have 8 more years. God Bless America, the leader of the free world.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: Dinglenuts on December 21, 2020, 01:40:33 PM
Looking for the " Pro Trump skater thread"
 
Uncle Donnie is about to have 8 more years. God Bless America, the leader of the free world.
Orange man bad bro.
Title: Re: Biden vs Trump
Post by: heckler on December 21, 2020, 02:11:45 PM
Looking for the " Pro Trump skater thread"
 
Uncle Donnie is about to have 8 more years. God Bless America, the leader of the free world.
You're dumb as fuck, dude.