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Title: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 01, 2020, 06:46:55 PM
In short:
imo, yes.

Not so short:
DVD's have been the standard for 2 decades now and most full length skate videos that come out from big brands to independent releases use the DVD format. Of course DVD is the cheaper format but the quality is awful. On average you're getting around 6mbps with lows down at 2mbps and highs of around 10mbps (if you're lucky) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video#Data_rate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video#Data_rate)

With Blu-Ray you can get a maximum bitrate of 40mbps, if you're working only with DV that's more than normal DV video (29mbps). Not only does the quality go up, but with Blu-Ray having so much space on the disk there are tons of room for extras. The Final Flare Blu-Ray has nearly 2 hours worth of content on it which should give you an idea as to the potential.

In recent times people have been craving physical releases of skate videos. Although streaming skate videos is easy, it isn't for ever. Copyright strikes, websites closing down, getting lost in the cluster-fuck of constant new media being pushed in your face, all of these things pose a possible threat to full lengths. With a physical release you actually get something. You own it. With a digital download unless it's directly saved to your hard-drive you're basically renting it and it can be easily taken away from you at any time.

Most people these days own a games console something like an Xbox One, or a PS4, hell even a PS3. All of these devices can playback Blu-Rays. If you haven't got any of these, in the UK you can pick up a bog standard Blu-Ray player for under £70. Although Blu-Ray isn't as popular as DVD, most likely due to the advent of streaming, younger people are still keeping physical media alive ( https://www.insidehook.com/article/arts-entertainment/why-millennials-refuse-to-let-go-of-physical-media-vinyl-records (https://www.insidehook.com/article/arts-entertainment/why-millennials-refuse-to-let-go-of-physical-media-vinyl-records) ) Of course DVD/Blu-Ray sales have plummeted over the last few years ( https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/070720-1500 (https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/070720-1500) )  and skate videos sold on DVD aren't selling like they used to, people are still releasing them and people are still buying them. 

DVD's are cheaper in pretty much everyway and for most people that's the main thing and that's fine for them. For me however I want the best possible quality (if there was a way to purchase an uncompressed skate video I'd buy it) not only for personal preference as a customer/consumer but also for archival purposes.

People are still shooting skate videos on a 25 year old camera & they want to retain that look and sound that introduced them to skating and to some of their favorite skaters. For a while VHS was the best option, then it was DVD, then it was YouTube. Although early on DVD did the VX1000 some justice as to retaining resolution the bitrate was still hammered. YouTube wasn't any better with most 360p/480p uploads hit hard with heavy compression making most videos look like mush. In 2020 however things are a bit better, using the 4K trick on YouTube where you export your finished video in 4K (even if it was shot in SD or HD) then upload it to YouTube it allows more bandwidth to your video meaning less compression. There are websites like skatehype advertising it's 60p feature for SD videos however it is only a few months before a big brand comes in with a ban-hammer and gets the videos taken down or the whole website. If you plan on releasing your full length on skatehype you should probably have a backup on Vimeo or YouTube when the copyright swat team hit the website.

What I'm getting at is that if companies making skate videos actually care about quality they'd release videos not only on DVD but also on Blu-Ray. Of course this is unlikely to be the case. What is most important to the big brands is how many they will sell and of course DVD would out sell a Blu-Ray, I'm not hear to completely change people's minds on DVD's. For 95% of the skateboarding community DVD is more than enough and is preferable over a YouTube upload. But for the few that care, Blu-Ray is the way to go.

Independent video makers will likely stick to DVD as that is the cheapest for them and that's understandable but they could also offer up a HD/source quality download alongside the DVD release (maybe coming with a code inside the DVD case). Orwellian World Landscape skateboards earlier this year gave out HD downloads of their past videos for free (I believe this was due to lockdown) as well as scans of interviews and other cool stuff. Shout out to Al! http://owlskateboards.co.uk/ (http://owlskateboards.co.uk/) This method of releasing a video (with a paywall of course) is a good step in the right direction however it still has the same issues as I've already mentioned.

This is just my opinion of course and sadly I doubt Blu-Rays will make a comeback in the future of skate video releases but it's worth hoping for.

Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 01, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
Probably not worth the minimum order size required to do a run of DVDs or blu rays. 

Everything should just be digital so you don’t put everything into a different format that can be rendered obsolete in years
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 01, 2020, 07:15:40 PM
Probably not worth the minimum order size required to do a run of DVDs or blu rays. 

Everything should just be digital so you don’t put everything into a different format that can be rendered obsolete in years

Well vinyl and cassette have made a bit of a comeback and they're technically obsolete but that's quite different to video
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: HORSES on November 01, 2020, 07:17:21 PM
Who are you pitching this too? Haha.


I love a physical copy as much as the next person, but completely understand the current media landscape renders them unnecessary, it's a bummer, but I get it.

Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 01, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
Who are you pitching this too? Haha.


I love a physical copy as much as the next person, but completely understand the current media landscape renders them unnecessary, it's a bummer, but I get it.

I don't know if I'm honest lol just thought I'd open it up for discussion! And you're right sadly!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 01, 2020, 08:07:37 PM
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Probably not worth the minimum order size required to do a run of DVDs or blu rays. 

Everything should just be digital so you don’t put everything into a different format that can be rendered obsolete in years
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Well vinyl and cassette have made a bit of a comeback and they're technically obsolete but that's quite different to video

Cassette has?!

I feel like the Vinyl trend ebbed, but that wasn’t catering to a niche market like skaters.  Plus, a lot of new release vinyls came with a digital download code
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 01, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
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Probably not worth the minimum order size required to do a run of DVDs or blu rays. 

Everything should just be digital so you don’t put everything into a different format that can be rendered obsolete in years
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Well vinyl and cassette have made a bit of a comeback and they're technically obsolete but that's quite different to video
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Cassette has?!

I feel like the Vinyl trend ebbed, but that wasn’t catering to a niche market like skaters.  Plus, a lot of new release vinyls came with a digital download code

Oh for sure, maybe not the mainstream but a lot of bands on bandcamp and other places are selling cassette copies of albums now. And the whole digital code idea I think would be best for DVD's. Good enough quality for most, but if you want even better quality here's a link to a download with a copy of the video in it's highest quality.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 01, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
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Probably not worth the minimum order size required to do a run of DVDs or blu rays. 

Everything should just be digital so you don’t put everything into a different format that can be rendered obsolete in years
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Well vinyl and cassette have made a bit of a comeback and they're technically obsolete but that's quite different to video
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Cassette has?!

I feel like the Vinyl trend ebbed, but that wasn’t catering to a niche market like skaters.  Plus, a lot of new release vinyls came with a digital download code
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Oh for sure, maybe not the mainstream but a lot of bands on bandcamp and other places are selling cassette copies of albums now. And the whole digital code idea I think would be best for DVD's. Good enough quality for most, but if you want even better quality here's a link to a download with a copy of the video in it's highest quality.

Most feature movies do that.  It took me so long to realize (or maybe tech/cloud needed to catch up) that I didn’t need to have 200+ dvds in my apt if they just can live on iTunes, moviesanywhere
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: DannyDee on November 01, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Pretty Sweet was released in Blu-Ray.

It really only makes sense if it is all filmed in high-def camera's, and if files aren't significantly compressed during sending.

Only classic video that should be re-released in Blu-Ray is The End if someone actually wants to take the time to do it (financially it probably doesn't make sense), considering that would significantly benefit since it was filmed in 35mm if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 01, 2020, 08:54:45 PM
Pretty Sweet was released in Blu-Ray.

It really only makes sense if it is all filmed in high-def camera's, and if files aren't significantly compressed during sending.

Only classic video that should be re-released in Blu-Ray is The End if someone actually wants to take the time to do it (financially it probably doesn't make sense), considering that would significantly benefit since it was filmed in 16mm if I remember correctly.

If they ever did that, hopefully it's with the original soundtrack too.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: DannyDee on November 01, 2020, 08:56:34 PM
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Probably not worth the minimum order size required to do a run of DVDs or blu rays. 

Everything should just be digital so you don’t put everything into a different format that can be rendered obsolete in years
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Well vinyl and cassette have made a bit of a comeback and they're technically obsolete but that's quite different to video
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Cassette has?!

I feel like the Vinyl trend ebbed, but that wasn’t catering to a niche market like skaters.  Plus, a lot of new release vinyls came with a digital download code
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Oh for sure, maybe not the mainstream but a lot of bands on bandcamp and other places are selling cassette copies of albums now. And the whole digital code idea I think would be best for DVD's. Good enough quality for most, but if you want even better quality here's a link to a download with a copy of the video in it's highest quality.
The big thing with Vinyl is that it is arguably as high-quality as the highest quality digital technology, and its more natural sound is chased by audiophiles who spend tens of thousands on their set-ups.

Until recently, home entertainment options for watching movies outside of actually owning reels had not caught up to 35mm film. I don't think until 4K that home video options for film had caught up to the industry standard film reels. Iconic movies filmed in 70mm or 65mm like Lawrence of Arabia, 2001 Space Oddyssy, Spartacus, etc can still not be adequately captured in 4K, as they are closer to 8k in quality.

Although, to notice these differences, you need such an expensive home theatre set-up that it currently doesn't apply to many consumers.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: CossRooper on November 01, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
i agree with you. they should.

if the assumption is that people still want to own physical stuff, and want to pay filmers for stuff (which i believe to be true), videos should be on blu ray. more space, better bitrate, better menus, etc etc.

As you said, Even VX1000 miniDV footage has to be re-encoded downwards in bitrate significantly to fit on a DVD.

And with the amount of space on a Blu-Ray, one could release a whole collection of VX/standard def videos (e.g the entire static series), etc etc on one disc

I'll also say that for HD videos, most streaming hasn't really caught up in terms of bitrate. So when we are streaming something off youtube at that the youtube encoder has downscaled to 720p30, which was originally filmed on a camera in 1080p60 or whatever, there is lots and lots of quality being wasted there. With a Blu-Ray, you take the streaming part out of it (and internet bandwich and local system specs that are required), and we can watch these things in super high bitrate
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 01, 2020, 09:03:33 PM
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Pretty Sweet was released in Blu-Ray.

It really only makes sense if it is all filmed in high-def camera's, and if files aren't significantly compressed during sending.

Only classic video that should be re-released in Blu-Ray is The End if someone actually wants to take the time to do it (financially it probably doesn't make sense), considering that would significantly benefit since it was filmed in 16mm if I remember correctly.
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If they ever did that, hopefully it's with the original soundtrack too.

Yeah that was the bummer with the DVD release
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: DannyDee on November 01, 2020, 09:13:50 PM
i agree with you. they should.

if the assumption is that people still want to own physical stuff, and want to pay filmers for stuff (which i believe to be true), videos should be on blu ray. more space, better bitrate, better menus, etc etc.

As you said, Even VX1000 miniDV footage has to be re-encoded downwards in bitrate significantly to fit on a DVD.

And with the amount of space on a Blu-Ray, one could release a whole collection of VX/standard def videos (e.g the entire static series), etc etc on one disc

I'll also say that for HD videos, most streaming hasn't really caught up in terms of bitrate. So when we are streaming something off youtube at that the youtube encoder has downscaled to 720p30, which was originally filmed on a camera in 1080p60 or whatever, there is lots and lots of quality being wasted there. With a Blu-Ray, you take the streaming part out of it (and internet bandwich and local system specs that are required), and we can watch these things in super high bitrate
The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: CossRooper on November 02, 2020, 03:34:42 PM
The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.

Totally valid point.

Who are you pitching this too? Haha.

Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 02, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
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i agree with you. they should.

if the assumption is that people still want to own physical stuff, and want to pay filmers for stuff (which i believe to be true), videos should be on blu ray. more space, better bitrate, better menus, etc etc.

As you said, Even VX1000 miniDV footage has to be re-encoded downwards in bitrate significantly to fit on a DVD.

And with the amount of space on a Blu-Ray, one could release a whole collection of VX/standard def videos (e.g the entire static series), etc etc on one disc

I'll also say that for HD videos, most streaming hasn't really caught up in terms of bitrate. So when we are streaming something off youtube at that the youtube encoder has downscaled to 720p30, which was originally filmed on a camera in 1080p60 or whatever, there is lots and lots of quality being wasted there. With a Blu-Ray, you take the streaming part out of it (and internet bandwich and local system specs that are required), and we can watch these things in super high bitrate
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.

Not all the time. Most places will have a business account setup so they have large amounts of cloud storage so that they can send uncompressed files easily. Really it depends on how fast someones internet is!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: HORSES on November 02, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Totally valid point.

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Who are you pitching this too? Haha.
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Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.


I actually asked a company owner back in 2018 re: if they were going to put out their full length in a physical format and they said "haven't even thought about it".
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 02, 2020, 04:31:05 PM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Totally valid point.

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Who are you pitching this too? Haha.
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Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.
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I actually asked a company owner back in 2018 re: if they were going to put out their full length in a physical format and they said "haven't even thought about it".

That's depressing. I understand that it's cheaper to just release it online, but it'd be nice to get at least a small-ish run of DVD's/Blu-Rays.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 02, 2020, 04:40:59 PM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Totally valid point.

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Who are you pitching this too? Haha.
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Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.
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I actually asked a company owner back in 2018 re: if they were going to put out their full length in a physical format and they said "haven't even thought about it".
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That's depressing. I understand that it's cheaper to just release it online, but it'd be nice to get at least a small-ish run of DVD's/Blu-Rays.

I believe 500 is the minimum run
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 02, 2020, 05:10:53 PM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Totally valid point.

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Who are you pitching this too? Haha.
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Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.
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I actually asked a company owner back in 2018 re: if they were going to put out their full length in a physical format and they said "haven't even thought about it".
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That's depressing. I understand that it's cheaper to just release it online, but it'd be nice to get at least a small-ish run of DVD's/Blu-Rays.
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I believe 500 is the minimum run

Yeah that'd probably be quite expensive.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: HORSES on November 02, 2020, 06:21:53 PM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Totally valid point.

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Who are you pitching this too? Haha.
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Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.
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I actually asked a company owner back in 2018 re: if they were going to put out their full length in a physical format and they said "haven't even thought about it".
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That's depressing. I understand that it's cheaper to just release it online, but it'd be nice to get at least a small-ish run of DVD's/Blu-Rays.


Yeah, that's all good and well for the select few who want them, but the company is going to be stuck with the bulk of them.

Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 02, 2020, 09:43:53 PM
It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 03, 2020, 12:06:49 AM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Totally valid point.

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Who are you pitching this too? Haha.
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Also a valid point. Nobody who actually makes videos gives a shit.
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I actually asked a company owner back in 2018 re: if they were going to put out their full length in a physical format and they said "haven't even thought about it".
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That's depressing. I understand that it's cheaper to just release it online, but it'd be nice to get at least a small-ish run of DVD's/Blu-Rays.
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Yeah, that's all good and well for the select few who want them, but the company is going to be stuck with the bulk of them.

Hah yeah I was stuck with enough of my thesis film and I was giving that shit away for free
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: OwlGreen on November 03, 2020, 01:42:55 AM
The DVD consortium never required content owners and replicators pay fees to use their logo. Blu-ray has always required licensing fees to use their logo and their encryption technology. Until a few years ago, these fees added up to around $5000 per title. I'm unclear on what the licensing fees are today. There's something called CPA-Lite which costs $500/year for 5 years. If your revenue is less than $100 million/year you can qualify. If you pay this, I don't know if you're allowed to put out as many titles as you'd like. I would hope so.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: eastenders on November 03, 2020, 03:51:25 AM
Thought this was a thread bump from 2010. Blu-ray's dead as vert.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 03, 2020, 04:50:42 AM
Thought this was a thread bump from 2010. Blu-ray's dead as vert.

Vert is kinda coming back via IG
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: imuseless on November 03, 2020, 05:06:54 AM
It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.

Hope there's gonna be a revival of VHS soon!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: coyote2425 on November 03, 2020, 05:07:47 AM
Pretty Sweet was released in Blu-Ray.

It really only makes sense if it is all filmed in high-def camera's, and if files aren't significantly compressed during sending.

Only classic video that should be re-released in Blu-Ray is The End if someone actually wants to take the time to do it (financially it probably doesn't make sense), considering that would significantly benefit since it was filmed in 35mm if I remember correctly.

I bought Pretty Sweet on Blu-ray. Divisive as the video may be, it looked sick on Blu-ray. It was mostly a novelty purchase ("never seen a skate video like that").
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: bataaard on November 03, 2020, 12:24:37 PM
The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
Big brands ask for the uncompressed files for their videos, or sometimes prores files. It's 2020, we have fast internet, and can send it easily.

I made a DVD in 200, the minimum run was 500, and quite expensive. I would not even sell 10 copies these days.
Computers comes without the dvd/bluray player. I feel like almost nobody cares about the disc format.

Passport released their video on a custom usb key in a nice box. it seems like a good alternative but I'm not sure they sold so well.
https://www.passportal.com/products/pass-port-presents-kitsch?_pos=1&_sid=df606fbe5&_ss=r
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 03, 2020, 03:39:35 PM
The DVD consortium never required content owners and replicators pay fees to use their logo. Blu-ray has always required licensing fees to use their logo and their encryption technology. Until a few years ago, these fees added up to around $5000 per title. I'm unclear on what the licensing fees are today. There's something called CPA-Lite which costs $500/year for 5 years. If your revenue is less than $100 million/year you can qualify. If you pay this, I don't know if you're allowed to put out as many titles as you'd like. I would hope so.

Damn I didn't know this! I know you have to pay to have the USB logo on a box but I didn't know you had to pay for Blu-Ray encryption!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 03, 2020, 03:40:40 PM
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It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.
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Hope there's gonna be a revival of VHS soon!

I know the Sabotage videos come out on VHS, that would be a cool throwback.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 03, 2020, 03:41:27 PM
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Pretty Sweet was released in Blu-Ray.

It really only makes sense if it is all filmed in high-def camera's, and if files aren't significantly compressed during sending.

Only classic video that should be re-released in Blu-Ray is The End if someone actually wants to take the time to do it (financially it probably doesn't make sense), considering that would significantly benefit since it was filmed in 35mm if I remember correctly.
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I bought Pretty Sweet on Blu-ray. Divisive as the video may be, it looked sick on Blu-ray. It was mostly a novelty purchase ("never seen a skate video like that").

Although that video sucked in numerous ways, I'm sure it looked fucking great on a Blu-Ray!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: HORSES on November 03, 2020, 03:43:13 PM
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It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.
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Hope there's gonna be a revival of VHS soon!


Other than Quasi, GX1000 or Heroin who has done VHS tapes in the last 5 years?


Oh and iDabble if you want to count them.


Never got into USB's. The Pass~Port one is great due to the care and detail that went into it. But I'd probably not buy another release one unless some fair bit of effort goes into it.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 03, 2020, 03:43:20 PM
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The issue I've heard with skatevideos/HD is that a lot of it is filmed by multiple people, so a lot of stuff has been compressed to conveniently send the files. Its not like Studio Films where everything is maintained on hand or very carefully transferred at the desired bit-rate. Just look at any HD project, and see how many filmers they use.
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Big brands ask for the uncompressed files for their videos, or sometimes prores files. It's 2020, we have fast internet, and can send it easily.

I made a DVD in 200, the minimum run was 500, and quite expensive. I would not even sell 10 copies these days.
Computers comes without the dvd/bluray player. I feel like almost nobody cares about the disc format.

Passport released their video on a custom usb key in a nice box. it seems like a good alternative but I'm not sure they sold so well.
https://www.passportal.com/products/pass-port-presents-kitsch?_pos=1&_sid=df606fbe5&_ss=r

I wish people cared just enough but that's just me. I know of a few independent videos coming out on USB stick however I worry that it takes one pissed off person to add a virus to those USB sticks then you've got yourself into a shit ton of trouble.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 03, 2020, 03:49:12 PM
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It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.
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Hope there's gonna be a revival of VHS soon!
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Other than Quasi, GX1000 or Heroin who has done VHS tapes in the last 5 years?


Oh and iDabble if you want to count them.


Never got into USB's. The Pass~Port one is great due to the care and detail that went into it. But I'd probably not buy another release one unless some fair bit of effort goes into it.

Lol is iDabble still going? and Greg Hunt did that small run of Mind Field on VHS. God damn what I'd do to get one of those!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Nicki on November 04, 2020, 12:55:45 AM
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Pretty Sweet was released in Blu-Ray.

It really only makes sense if it is all filmed in high-def camera's, and if files aren't significantly compressed during sending.

Only classic video that should be re-released in Blu-Ray is The End if someone actually wants to take the time to do it (financially it probably doesn't make sense), considering that would significantly benefit since it was filmed in 35mm if I remember correctly.
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I bought Pretty Sweet on Blu-ray. Divisive as the video may be, it looked sick on Blu-ray. It was mostly a novelty purchase ("never seen a skate video like that").
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Although that video sucked in numerous ways, I'm sure it looked fucking great on a Blu-Ray!

Yes, skate videos should release more on blu-ray/DVD. It solidifies it as a monument and not just a digital blip. But I still have my old VHS lined up and buy vinyl...

Probably the last DVD I bought was Vase. I also bought Pretty Sweet on Blu-Ray and it looks great. Sure it should have been better, but there’s good stuff in there too - Olson, BA, MJ, CK1, Jesus etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHFg0MO7Lys

Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: HORSES on November 04, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
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It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.
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Hope there's gonna be a revival of VHS soon!
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Other than Quasi, GX1000 or Heroin who has done VHS tapes in the last 5 years?


Oh and iDabble if you want to count them.


Never got into USB's. The Pass~Port one is great due to the care and detail that went into it. But I'd probably not buy another release one unless some fair bit of effort goes into it.
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Lol is iDabble still going? and Greg Hunt did that small run of Mind Field on VHS. God damn what I'd do to get one of those!


I guess so?  https://idabblevm.com/issues/ - They do 250 copies of DVD and 50 copies on VHS for each release.  I didn't know about the Mind Field VHS, wow. That is some grail shit right there.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 05, 2020, 03:18:02 AM
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It seems like the era of physical skate videos is coming to an end. Very few new videos get a DVD or VHS release.
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Hope there's gonna be a revival of VHS soon!
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Other than Quasi, GX1000 or Heroin who has done VHS tapes in the last 5 years?


Oh and iDabble if you want to count them.


Never got into USB's. The Pass~Port one is great due to the care and detail that went into it. But I'd probably not buy another release one unless some fair bit of effort goes into it.
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Lol is iDabble still going? and Greg Hunt did that small run of Mind Field on VHS. God damn what I'd do to get one of those!
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I guess so?  https://idabblevm.com/issues/ - They do 250 copies of DVD and 50 copies on VHS for each release.  I didn't know about the Mind Field VHS, wow. That is some grail shit right there.

Oh damn! And yeah man, I believe TheSecretTape got one, and maybe a few other people but damn those things are the real deal.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: lickcakes on November 05, 2020, 07:45:30 AM
pretty much good in theory, but way too unprofitable.

i personally don't care too much - it's skateboarding, and i don't need it to look super great. pretty sweet makes sense, but most skate videos don't aspire to that. i'm not trying to get an 'experience' with skate videos, and i don't necessarily think they need to look incredible. there are a couple exceptions i can think of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC5W_VFTMhc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVOum4Q4O8A

kinda disappointed you didn't post a video, you're the cutest slap poster imo
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: doyle on November 05, 2020, 08:21:50 AM
I've made full length local videos every year or two for the past ten years and always made DVD copies (and Bluray copies for the last one). I found an incredibly affordable 10x DVD duplicator on Craigslist which I've used for the last couple videos (and helping out some friends with making DVDs of their videos too). You just burn one master and the duplicator makes 10 exact copies in about 10 minutes.

It's way cheaper than any other DVD creation service I've used in the past, and you don't have a massive minimum printing requirement. I just buy blank printable discs in bulk and use a cheap-ish printer to print the discs themselves, which looks pretty good for the cost.

I'll probably keep doing this as long as I keep making videos. It's a good way to pass the time in the winter and even though fewer are sold every year, the people who do buy them are really appreciative to get physical copies. The Bluray was a little tougher since they had to be burned 1-by-1, but luckily not that many people bought them anyway.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: CossRooper on November 05, 2020, 10:41:00 AM
I'll probably keep doing this as long as I keep making videos. It's a good way to pass the time in the winter and even though fewer are sold every year, the people who do buy them are really appreciative to get physical copies. The Bluray was a little tougher since they had to be burned 1-by-1, but luckily not that many people bought them anyway.

Really appreciated the blu-ray you made of your last vid! 4:3 HD on a blu-ray. so sick -- looked great.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: bataaard on November 05, 2020, 12:13:55 PM
It's way cheaper than any other DVD creation service I've used in the past, and you don't have a massive minimum printing requirement. I just buy blank printable discs in bulk and use a cheap-ish printer to print the discs themselves, which looks pretty good for the cost.

it must be cheap but also it's burned and not pressed, which makes a huge difference in the long term.
But sick you still make some!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 05, 2020, 09:29:33 PM
I've made full length local videos every year or two for the past ten years and always made DVD copies (and Bluray copies for the last one). I found an incredibly affordable 10x DVD duplicator on Craigslist which I've used for the last couple videos (and helping out some friends with making DVDs of their videos too). You just burn one master and the duplicator makes 10 exact copies in about 10 minutes.

It's way cheaper than any other DVD creation service I've used in the past, and you don't have a massive minimum printing requirement. I just buy blank printable discs in bulk and use a cheap-ish printer to print the discs themselves, which looks pretty good for the cost.

I'll probably keep doing this as long as I keep making videos. It's a good way to pass the time in the winter and even though fewer are sold every year, the people who do buy them are really appreciative to get physical copies. The Bluray was a little tougher since they had to be burned 1-by-1, but luckily not that many people bought them anyway.

That's sick! When I made my first 2 full lengths I burned all the discs myself on my PC. By the end of the printing of the 2nd video my disc drive had given up. It was spitting discs out and sometimes not opening at all. I thrashed that thing to death!
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: suckmadeck on November 05, 2020, 09:30:23 PM
pretty much good in theory, but way too unprofitable.

i personally don't care too much - it's skateboarding, and i don't need it to look super great. pretty sweet makes sense, but most skate videos don't aspire to that. i'm not trying to get an 'experience' with skate videos, and i don't necessarily think they need to look incredible. there are a couple exceptions i can think of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC5W_VFTMhc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVOum4Q4O8A

kinda disappointed you didn't post a video, you're the cutest slap poster imo

That's fair. For some it doesn't matter and for some it does! And thanks boo I appreciate that
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: ok boomer on November 06, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
Nah, just upload 'em to Thrasher's youtube channel so I can get mad waiting for ads to load then just go do something else instead of watching.
Title: Re: Should skate videos be released on Blu-Ray?
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 09, 2020, 06:29:02 PM
I would like to order Kung Fu Hustle

No disk i get a copy of the Buddha's palm descending from heaven manual from the film in the mail.

Inside the cover there's a code to get the video maybe the soundtrack and all the behind the scenes stuff and some high dpi prints to put on my wall.


I would make a magazine because that's what I'm good at. Get the video with my limited run mag.

Or  Is a pack of rolling papers with a printable zine a bunch of posters solid dpi for resizing.

The video pre order kit.

Idk. I'm so out of the pre press loop. Like 15 years now