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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on November 12, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
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Anti-Social out of Vancouver posted a photo of any Indy without the cross on the baseplate. Could this be the end of the controversial cross?
If they are stopping the use of it, do you think they are caving to the current (and justified) wave of anti-racist sentiment?
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as C1RCA (and Bronze) once simply put it...
IT'S TIME
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I doubt its too late and not to mention that they just released some merch. I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't save it for some big " celebration". With how much people have been waiting for it to change I know they will milk the shit out of it. Or the shirt collectors have started a fake news campaign to hike up the prices of their wares. Either way I wouldn't get too hyped about it. Shame that the iron cross is a nazi thing because I like the design of it ( although I like a lot shit like that)
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Cradle to the MF grave
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Cradle to the MF grave
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Never understood this shit. Indy or otherwise babies don’t give a fuck.
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Hopefully I can tax the shit outta people if I sell my old indys
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Snowflakes ruining a skate brand that has been around forever. I've skated Indy's as a jew for years. It's a metal toy that I've ridden forever. If you all need to change it go ride another brand, it's that simple. Indy is going into bitch mode at this point. I love the trucks but if the brand is going to conform b/c a few little puss boys feel slighted, that's not what skating is about. Where you all there for the Big Brother articles or the Dunk fuckoff? If you have an issue with this, esp after Biden won, you need to rethink what kind of detergent your S/O uses. So dumb......
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Ride another brand. All these dudes who ride for Indy and their main boy (Rhino) is a known racist. If they're gonna make changes fire the bro's, find another team outside of LA and make a change. Don't be a bitch and change a label b/c it'll sell more trucks. What's next? sponsoring some dudes from Baltimore? Kook to the max!!! They're not Venture nor are they Thunder. Ride the company out with the brand it is. There's a reason why losers from small cities get Ventures for free and the gnarly dudes skate Indy's. They pick their teams. Ledge skaters who grind the end of the ledge skate Ventures, dudes who air out of the coping skate indy's. I see a problem for these skater's who thing they're the shit but can't grind an entire ledge (Jahmir Brown).
Ya'll are a bunch of baby's and wont buy the trucks anyway with a rebrand. So stop acting like you give a shit and either ride em or go somewhere else, snowflakes.
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Old people are gonna be pissed
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Snowflakes ruining a skate brand that has been around forever. I've skated Indy's as a jew for years. It's a metal toy that I've ridden forever. If you all need to change it go ride another brand, it's that simple. Indy is going into bitch mode at this point. I love the trucks but if the brand is going to conform b/c a few little puss boys feel slighted, that's not what skating is about. Where you all there for the Big Brother articles or the Dunk fuckoff? If you have an issue with this, esp after Biden won, you need to rethink what kind of detergent your S/O uses. So dumb......
i don't know man, sounds like you are having a meltdown over the logo change, i suggest you stop being such a pussy snowflake or buy some hardcore shit like kreper trucks or vintage monster trucks endorsed by jesus himself and jamie "the chief" thomas, since indy is now ruined and the trucks probably don't work as intended anymore either thanks to cancel culture, right?
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Old people been pissed
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Is Rhino actually racist?
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Literally nobody outside the Slaposphere will notice.
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only people who can't nose or tail slide still have the logo on their baseplate
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"Sorry about the iron cross! We've replaced it with this neat little icon we found that symbolizes divinity and good luck. We hope you like it!"
(https://mythology.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Swastika-symbol.jpg)
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Snowflakes ruining a skate brand that has been around forever. I've skated Indy's as a jew for years. It's a metal toy that I've ridden forever. If you all need to change it go ride another brand, it's that simple. Indy is going into bitch mode at this point. I love the trucks but if the brand is going to conform b/c a few little puss boys feel slighted, that's not what skating is about. Where you all there for the Big Brother articles or the Dunk fuckoff? If you have an issue with this, esp after Biden won, you need to rethink what kind of detergent your S/O uses. So dumb......
I never tire of the irony of people calling others "snowflakes" when they are demonstratively the most upset about something.
Also, no cross "ruins" the brand? Aren't ya being a lil dramatic?
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When you are calling these people snowflake what are you implying? That they are unique and numerous and the perfect addition to a magical winter morning?
Why this metaphor? What does this make you, a raindrop? A dazzling ray of spring sunshine? The remaining autumn leaf to fall?
I mean, the only good comparison would be that they are fragile, no? Is that what you mean? That’s how its used in your internet nerd buzzword lexicon right? How does this relate to this scenario? Why are you so offended by this? Does your “S/O” (significant other?) sometimes tell you are extremely over sensitive?
I mean, you seem to be incredibly upset about a removal geometric shape from something that doesn’t really need branding anyway? So yeah people have said to independent, maybe not the best idea to continue with a symbol related to a genocidal regime, its not great for P.R. right?
I don’t think anyone was sat around an independent board meaning way back suggesting;
“you know whats really fucking hesh”
“Whats that then?”
“the mutherfucking Luftwaffe!”
“wow yeah”
“Once I was at the Nude Bowl and Goring jumps in on the session, his style was crazy like, he made that cross logo look way gnarly”
“Yeep yaowoww!”
So I believe we can let this one lie anyhow, It´s not like skateboard companies think out their branding, mean have you seen “Thank You Skateboards” logo, it’s a fucking cloud!
Far out no?
Whats wrong with Baltimore? you must be from Long Island.
Regarding Rhino, rhinos are colorblind you fucking fingernail! Plus he could be a White Rhino or a Black Rhino, howe the fuck would you know?
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Ride another brand. All these dudes who ride for Indy and their main boy (Rhino) is a known racist. If they're gonna make changes fire the bro's, find another team outside of LA and make a change. Don't be a bitch and change a label b/c it'll sell more trucks. What's next? sponsoring some dudes from Baltimore? Kook to the max!!! They're not Venture nor are they Thunder. Ride the company out with the brand it is. There's a reason why losers from small cities get Ventures for free and the gnarly dudes skate Indy's. They pick their teams. Ledge skaters who grind the end of the ledge skate Ventures, dudes who air out of the coping skate indy's. I see a problem for these skater's who thing they're the shit but can't grind an entire ledge (Jahmir Brown).
Ya'll are a bunch of baby's and wont buy the trucks anyway with a rebrand. So stop acting like you give a shit and either ride em or go somewhere else, snowflakes.
Someone's upset! I like to use my Indy's for grinding the end of ledges just as much as Venture!
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Ride another brand.
That's what you want, but that's not what Independent wants.
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Fuck the rest, ride the best.
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The only brand 100% free of any snowflakes!
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Is Rhino actually racist?
at Home Depot... always and forever
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The cross is old. I am currently riding Indy’s after venture didn’t quite work for me and I’m stoked they are changing it. It’s good the changed it. Even though I doubt removing it is gonna bring in any customers that don’t already skate Indy. Like the logo probably wasn’t holding many people back. But fuck it , the logo was corny.
How is rhino racist? Moron that throws fits at Home Depot yes but what did he do that was racist?
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the logo has always been on some West Coast Choppers cringe Cali badass bullshit.
the imagery has a popular correlation to white supremacy and nazi crap
why wouldn't you drop the cross?
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the logo has always been on some West Coast Choppers cringe Cali badass bullshit.
the imagery has a popular correlation to white supremacy and nazi crap
why wouldn't you drop the cross?
It matches their gray beard and they dont wanna lose that look its just too good. Snowflake
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Rhino is racist against Home Depot. Probably goes to Lowe's instead. Lowe's are usually located next to Wal-Mart who have a plethora of items priced at $14.88.
Do the math, or have Bobby Puleo do it !
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For snowflakes like me, Destructo mids feel just like Indys with a slightly shorter wheelbase.
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Snowflakes ruining a skate brand that has been around forever. I've skated Indy's as a jew for years. It's a metal toy that I've ridden forever. If you all need to change it go ride another brand, it's that simple. Indy is going into bitch mode at this point. I love the trucks but if the brand is going to conform b/c a few little puss boys feel slighted, that's not what skating is about. Where you all there for the Big Brother articles or the Dunk fuckoff? If you have an issue with this, esp after Biden won, you need to rethink what kind of detergent your S/O uses. So dumb......
I never tire of the irony of people calling others "snowflakes" when they are demonstratively the most upset about something.
Also, no cross "ruins" the brand? Aren't ya being a lil dramatic?
Same here
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"Sorry about the iron cross! We've replaced it with this neat little icon we found that symbolizes divinity and good luck. We hope you like it!"
(https://mythology.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Swastika-symbol.jpg)
*waves at Jason*
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"Sorry about the iron cross! We've replaced it with this neat little icon we found that symbolizes divinity and good luck. We hope you like it!"
(https://mythology.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Swastika-symbol.jpg)
This could've been a real ad in the 80s-90s.
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Exactly. Fake badass vibe since day one. I've ridden them for years, but would definitely never have ever worn a t shirt or hat with those tuff guy logos.
the logo has always been on some West Coast Choppers cringe Cali badass bullshit.
the imagery has a popular correlation to white supremacy and nazi crap
why wouldn't you drop the cross?
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Exactly. Fake badass vibe since day one. I've ridden them for years, but would definitely never have ever worn a t shirt or hat with those tuff guy logos.
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the logo has always been on some West Coast Choppers cringe Cali badass bullshit.
the imagery has a popular correlation to white supremacy and nazi crap
why wouldn't you drop the cross?
Agreed. With all this. I don’t think Indy is a secret Nazi brand or that there logo was anything other than a homage to 60s and 70s “outlaw” biker culture, but that’s enough reason to change it - because it’s fucking 2020 and that shit is played out and tacky, not to mention ugly
The smart thing to do is to just slip the logo deep into the background of your brand, and then bust it out every few years for a special release of 215s or XXL t-shirts for the Bowl Barneys who are going to be offended by the switch
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Still not backing indy. The change was purely reactionary. I don't believe for one second they actually give a fuck about an offensive logo. If they did then Fausto would have never pushed so hard for it knowing full well it's a racist symbol.
Are people actually falling for indy's coverup bullshit? Seems to me people just aren't willing to lose a sponsor over it so they're hopping on the bandwagon saying indy is listening.
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the logo has always been on some West Coast Choppers cringe Cali badass bullshit.
the imagery has a popular correlation to white supremacy and nazi crap
why wouldn't you drop the cross?
I see more Independent stickers on white people's trucks then I do on an actual board. The fact that it says "Independent" puts more fuel to the fire.
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Still not backing indy. The change was purely reactionary. I don't believe for one second they actually give a fuck about an offensive logo. If they did then Fausto would have never pushed so hard for it knowing full well it's a racist symbol.
Are people actually falling for indy's coverup bullshit? Seems to me people just aren't willing to lose a sponsor over it so they're hopping on the bandwagon saying indy is listening.
Ofc not, and youre right its just funny to shit on them
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Fuck the rest, ride the best.
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The only brand 100% free of any snowflakes!
Hellride
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I was in the states when I was about 12 on holiday with my parents. Went to a flea market and brought what I thought was a sweet ass Indy necklace. When I walked out and my dad saw that it was infact an ‘iron cross’ or whatever, he sent me back inside to explain that I didn’t know what it was and to swap it for another different one. Florida. I didn’t have a clue
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Cradle to the MF grave
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Never understood this shit. Indy or otherwise babies don’t give a fuck.
Depends on if the baby was born to hellride
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Fuck the rest, ride the best.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQrSb4dccro9npeX0E1uSEp8Vke2t5N6b-YVA&usqp=CAU)
The only brand 100% free of any snowflakes!
False. These are best.
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Cradle to the MF grave
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Never understood this shit. Indy or otherwise babies don’t give a fuck.
Depends on if the baby was born to hellride
This baby definitely was
(https://shirtsforyou.net/11451-thickbox_default/night-watch-spitfire-baby-onesie.jpg)
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Hope not I actually like the Cross
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only people who can't nose or tail slide still have the logo on their baseplate
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only people who can't nose or tail slide still have the logo on their baseplate
He’s not wrong.
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only people who can't nose or tail slide still have the logo on their baseplate
He’s not wrong.
Isn’t indys primary demo frontside slash grinds?
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Indy dudes getting mad over the cross situation are the same dudes that are mad they can’t say the n word in public. You are clowns.
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Fuck the rest, ride the best.
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The only brand 100% free of any snowflakes!
I stil have a set of these, not this bad ass color way but I stil got em...if I size down to a 775 I'm Goin in on these jawns again
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I'm kind of confused on the "snowflake" thing.
"I can't handle seeing a cross" = "you are a snowflake" from Indy logo lover
"I can't handle if Indy changes the cross" = "you are a snowflake" from Indy logo hater
So.. snowflakes all around or ?
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Cradle to the MF grave
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Never understood this shit. Indy or otherwise babies don’t give a fuck.
Depends on if the baby was born to hellride
This baby definitely was
(https://shirtsforyou.net/11451-thickbox_default/night-watch-spitfire-baby-onesie.jpg)
That is like a 666_-l-_HeLLRiDe_-l-_666 baby right there
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I just sent this over to a buddy of mine who is not on slap or really has a whole lot of an idea of what we talk about on here. He brought up an alternate perspective. "So China is making the trucks now and can't stand having a Christian/Catholic symbol on there?"
I got him up to speed but I thought it deserved a laugh and a mention.
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I just sent this over to a buddy of mine who is not on slap or really has a whole lot of an idea of what we talk about on here. He brought up an alternate perspective. "So China is making the trucks now and can't stand having a Christian/Catholic symbol on there?"
I got him up to speed but I thought it deserved a laugh and a mention.
that is pretty good
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Who gives a fuck about the brand? I’m not a brand consultant or an ad rep, if you’re not I don’t know why you’d care if the product still works. Apple can change its name to poop tomorrow I’m not throwing my phone away
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Slap on blkprjkt
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHilwM0l9UA/?igshid=198lm8y5fcufx
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What's next? sponsoring some dudes from Baltimore? Kook to the max!!! (...) There's a reason why losers from small cities get Ventures for free and the gnarly dudes skate Indy's.
lmao this dude is hilarious
hashtag gnarly dudes only
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who the fuck really cares about that logo? I had an indy tattoo that I covered the fuck up after 15 years of too many white boys bothering up to me where ever I went. regardless of that, it was a dumb tattoo.
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I'm currently riding Indy's with the logo, but honestly, the brand is a bit historic and I'll always remember the logo as just Indy's logo and not something to throw a fake shitfit about while actual class based issues ravage Amercia, but hey fuck everyone right?
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Lol if this is true then Indy is going against their whole "fuck you we're raw" attitude.
I could care less, just don't fuck up the actual performance of the truck.
inb4 Indy baseplates with the logo skyrocket in resell price.
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I’ve seen jahmir brown grind the fuck outta a ledge you’re a jealous lil biotch
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
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I'm kind of confused on the "snowflake" thing.
"I can't handle seeing a cross" = "you are a snowflake" from Indy logo lover
"I can't handle if Indy changes the cross" = "you are a snowflake" from Indy logo hater
So.. snowflakes all around or ?
yes, and you not understanding that makes you a snowflake as well
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Lol if this is true then Indy is going against their whole "fuck you we're raw" attitude.
I could care less, just don't fuck up the actual performance of the truck.
inb4 Indy baseplates with the logo skyrocket in resell price.
Trust me bro its all connected. The nazis are trying to save up for the race war so they faked an indy without the iron cross to drive up the prices. After that they sell all their indy shit the bubble will burst because it was all a hoax. So now they have money for a race war and they still have the iron cross on their base plates. Its quite opportunistic with all the racial strife going on.
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If it's gone I doubt it'll be forever. Besides it's a Maltese Cross. St John Paul II was the reason they decided to keep it the first time.
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Even worse instead of nazis it's world wide pedophile ring. They really can't win they should just replace it with a sorry note. " Sorry we kinda fucked up" on the all the shirts and the baseplate will have S(orry)W(e)K(inda)F(ucked)U(p). After that they give forty hangers and a free skate tool to all the bowl barnies. Its the least we can do for those really thugging in it the bowls all weekend.
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If it's gone I doubt it'll be forever. Besides it's a Maltese Cross. St John Paul II was the reason they decided to keep it the first time.
yeah the book says so, it's been debunked in some interview though. i don't remember with who that was, but the person said the logo was controversial when they came with the first designs, they were definetly going for the iron cross/wehrmacht association, but knew they would catch flak, so they came up with this convenient cop out explanation that it's a maltese cross/took it from the pope and made that the official heritage story. so the founders knew what they did and how people might perceive it. not saying they were nazis. i believe they were going for that motorcycle/mot�ad vibe.
honestly when i bought the indy book i was pretty disappointed that they took it from christianism. i don't want to wear christian shit, i don't want to ride independent catholic truck company. not hesh.
anyway it's a stolen logo, it was always corny. iconic, but ugly. something you wear despite it being ugly and edgy because that's what skaters do. the trucks are still good.
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Blkprjt or whatever is an old racist kook of course hes mad. When is he not bitching
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but your dad is a NAZI!!!!!!!!!
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If it's gone I doubt it'll be forever. Besides it's a Maltese Cross. St John Paul II was the reason they decided to keep it the first time.
i don't want to be controversial and shit but if you do some research you'll find out that this man was not a saint by any means. the polish treat him like a hero and shit, moreso than the people who made poland sovereign again etc, but he was fucked up. of course that shit wasn't common knowledge back then (and unfortunately, because of the polish government, still isn't) but i think it's kind of ironic, it's a nazi symbol and they justified using it because a man who was protecting pedophiles in his circles was wearing it. the catholic church is an evil organization
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but your dad is a NAZI!!!!!!!!!
It’s one of the most widely used military symbols since the beginning of the 19th century. Wehrmacht used it, too, but it’s not a Nazi symbol in particular. The problem rather is that Neonazis use it for identification, especially in countries where the swastika is illegal, like Germany. Also military symbols suck anyway so I’ll applaud Independent if they get rid of it.
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The cross Indy has used dates back to the Knights Templar and has been used in France for a long time. The historical argument is there. Just as there is a historical argument of the swastika. A symbol that was reversed and then used by the Nazis for their means. In the public mind the swastika is very very bad, the Iron Cross is very very bad as is any imagery used by them. The "croix pattee alesee arrondie" while not used by those racist fucks is close enough. Probably why the bikers that made Indys wanted to use it. It was mean looking but not overtly racist, it skirted the line. 40 years have gone by, society has changed and become more aware of the symbols of the past. To the point where the Indy cross looks like a racist symbol to non-skaters. Does it suck that something of ours has been interpreted to be racist, yeah but the cross was always meant to be edgy and now it's been called out. I love my Indys but the cross is just a cross, doesn't help the truck turn any better. Has anyone been so put off by the logo they didn't want to be a skater because of it? Who knows but in the end it's just a logo and after 40 years maybe some change is needed.
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It's an empty gesture at the expense of the brand's iconic status. Honesty, this push to "correct" everything and its ties to consumerism seem totally contrived to me. Notice we're not actually correcting any class/race related issues.
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I'm kind of confused on the "snowflake" thing.
"I can't handle seeing a cross" = "you are a snowflake" from Indy logo lover
"I can't handle if Indy changes the cross" = "you are a snowflake" from Indy logo hater
So.. snowflakes all around or ?
A blizzard of turboclowns.
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but your dad is a NAZI!!!!!!!!!
It’s one of the most widely used military symbols since the beginning of the 19th century. Wehrmacht used it, too, but it’s not a Nazi symbol in particular. The problem rather is that Neonazis use it for identification, especially in countries where the swastika is illegal, like Germany. Also military symbols suck anyway so I’ll applaud Independent if they get rid of it.
I was in the us army and I have the sharpshooter pin, one level above your dad’s marksmans. 35 outa 40. Anyway the us army’s rifle qual cross doesn’t look like Indy’s cross and it’s wack as fuck to call his vet dad a nazi. Iron crosses need to have curved bars, unlike the qual pin pictured above and the Indy cross has curved bars so...
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Fuck the rest, ride the best.
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The only brand 100% free of any snowflakes!
the perfect truck if it ever existed... which it does (phantom 2.)
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Getting offended by a logo is ridiculous’ says man offended by the changing of a logo
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people who are upset that Indy is dropping the cross logo are the same kind of people who are upset the Cleveland Indians are getting rid of chief wahoo.
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just ride aces
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i could honestly care less what indy does because im a venture man myself. however, i will say i dont see what the big deal is because its not even the same cross the nazi's used, their cross had flat edges not round...
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but your dad is a NAZI!!!!!!!!!
It’s one of the most widely used military symbols since the beginning of the 19th century. Wehrmacht used it, too, but it’s not a Nazi symbol in particular. The problem rather is that Neonazis use it for identification, especially in countries where the swastika is illegal, like Germany. Also military symbols suck anyway so I’ll applaud Independent if they get rid of it.
i was not serious. i am a firm believer that iron cross =/= nazi
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Did anyone consider not pressing the cross on the baseplate saves them a few pennies?
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but your dad is a NAZI!!!!!!!!!
It’s one of the most widely used military symbols since the beginning of the 19th century. Wehrmacht used it, too, but it’s not a Nazi symbol in particular. The problem rather is that Neonazis use it for identification, especially in countries where the swastika is illegal, like Germany. Also military symbols suck anyway so I’ll applaud Independent if they get rid of it.
i was not serious. i am a firm believer that iron cross =/= nazi
but some iron crosses are nazi/WS so why would Indy want that associated in their marketing?
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Ride another brand. All these dudes who ride for Indy and their main boy (Rhino) is a known racist. If they're gonna make changes fire the bro's, find another team outside of LA and make a change. Don't be a bitch and change a label b/c it'll sell more trucks. What's next? sponsoring some dudes from Baltimore? Kook to the max!!! They're not Venture nor are they Thunder. Ride the company out with the brand it is. There's a reason why losers from small cities get Ventures for free and the gnarly dudes skate Indy's. They pick their teams. Ledge skaters who grind the end of the ledge skate Ventures, dudes who air out of the coping skate indy's. I see a problem for these skater's who thing they're the shit but can't grind an entire ledge (Jahmir Brown).
Ya'll are a bunch of baby's and wont buy the trucks anyway with a rebrand. So stop acting like you give a shit and either ride em or go somewhere else, snowflakes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGdfji1J-YR/?igshid=18hxjh9lh9a9z
Looks like a whole ledge. You’re just as much of a baby crying over indy having to rebrand, go do some slash grinds fucker
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Did anyone consider not pressing the cross on the baseplate saves them a few pennies?
why not eliminate the script on the sides then? and just leave the logo. would make more sense to save money. also, no logo stamp means they use more metal in the long run and have to make a new mold without the logo. how is that saving them money? the old mold already existed. it would make sense if they were about to have new ones anyway. but it still doesn't mean they save money. they could save more money by other means. then again, people pay extra money for a truck with a hollowed out axle. basically trucks become more expensive the more material was cut from them successfully without compromising its lifespan, even though you get less material, unless the material itself is premium, like magnesium or titanium.
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There's a reason why losers from small cities get Ventures for free and the gnarly dudes skate Indy's. They pick their teams. Ledge skaters who grind the end of the ledge skate Ventures, dudes who air out of the coping skate indy's. I see a problem for these skater's who thing they're the shit but can't grind an entire ledge (Jahmir Brown).
Well I mainly skate indys and have never done anything even slightly gnarly on a skateboard. Kinda disproves your whole theory, doesn’t it?
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Does it being rounded make the difference? My dad was in the US Army back in the 70s, had one of these pinned on his uniform because he was in the infantry...
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/PdVroTxJ16bljlubfFCtyA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTA-/http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252748219592-0-1/s-l1000.jpg.cf.jpg)
i'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but your dad is a NAZI!!!!!!!!!
It’s one of the most widely used military symbols since the beginning of the 19th century. Wehrmacht used it, too, but it’s not a Nazi symbol in particular. The problem rather is that Neonazis use it for identification, especially in countries where the swastika is illegal, like Germany. Also military symbols suck anyway so I’ll applaud Independent if they get rid of it.
i was not serious. i am a firm believer that iron cross =/= nazi
i donno man. i’ve always rode thunders
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
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They should just remake stage vii anyway. The best
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
So, like... 20-25? ;)
Those stamped plates didn’t show up until the Stage 10s; is that correct?
I actually still own a couple/few pairs of various Stages. Blessed, I suppose.
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
Those stamped plates didn’t show up until the Stage 10s; is that correct?
I actually still own a couple/few pairs of various Stages. Blessed, I suppose.
i think the indys i had in 2006 or so didn't have a stamp, the next ones a few years later had one, then the next stage had a different stamp i think. i forgot what the last stamp was. it was just the cross and then the cross with a ring around or vice versa, i don't remember. i think stage 10 was the first iteration. stage 11 had a different stamp.
no idea what stage indy is at rn.
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reminder: the iron cross is a former military decoration in the Kingdom of Prussia...way before nazi germany, initially it has nothing to do with racism
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Here's a solution: (no, not a 'final' one, don't get excited)
Take it off product sold in the US where you're likely to see some dipshit redneck/skinhead with a swastika tattoo right nest to an iron cross 'cos they mean the same thing to him. Because of that, the symbol has got itself a bad name.
Leave it on product sold in Europe and elsewhere as people there know the difference. It's not illegal in Germany for good reason, people are educated at an early age as to what's nazi and what's not.
There. I'll invoice NHS later after dinner.
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reminder: the iron cross is a former military decoration in the Kingdom of Prussia...way before nazi germany, initially it has nothing to do with racism
Have you not gone through the rest of this thread?
Also, username doesn't help back up your point.
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
Those stamped plates didn’t show up until the Stage 10s; is that correct?
I actually still own a couple/few pairs of various Stages. Blessed, I suppose.
i think the indys i had in 2006 or so didn't have a stamp, the next ones a few years later had one, then the next stage had a different stamp i think. i forgot what the last stamp was. it was just the cross and then the cross with a ring around or vice versa, i don't remember. i think stage 10 was the first iteration. stage 11 had a different stamp.
no idea what stage indy is at rn.
They started putting the iron cross on the baseplate slide area on stage 8, so 1998. Every stage since then has had them, but around 10 I believe they started putting that circle around the cross.
I've got some stage 7's, last stage to have no cross... and they look great. I don't get the fuss against removing the cross, it's just going back to how the baseplates looked for the first 20 years of Indy. More authentic, less conflicting, seems like a win-win.
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ha, i stand corrected. probably didn't pay any attention to the baseplate when i had my first pair of indys. i lost that whole setup shortly after purchasing and got thunders on the next, so i never got confronted with the baseplate again until i got another set 2010.
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saw an ad with Independent in a diamond shape
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They should put Daniel Kim’s face on the baseplate
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
Those stamped plates didn’t show up until the Stage 10s; is that correct?
I actually still own a couple/few pairs of various Stages. Blessed, I suppose.
i think the indys i had in 2006 or so didn't have a stamp, the next ones a few years later had one, then the next stage had a different stamp i think. i forgot what the last stamp was. it was just the cross and then the cross with a ring around or vice versa, i don't remember. i think stage 10 was the first iteration. stage 11 had a different stamp.
no idea what stage indy is at rn.
They started putting the iron cross on the baseplate slide area on stage 8, so 1998. Every stage since then has had them, but around 10 I believe they started putting that circle around the cross.
I've got some stage 7's, last stage to have no cross... and they look great. I don't get the fuss against removing the cross, it's just going back to how the baseplates looked for the first 20 years of Indy. More authentic, less conflicting, seems like a win-win.
Depending on if the logo was casted in versus stamped in, the new trucks without the logo may now be slightly heavier by the microgram. Depending on the number of micrograms in terms of this weight difference, it might matter to Bobby Puleo.
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
Those stamped plates didn’t show up until the Stage 10s; is that correct?
I actually still own a couple/few pairs of various Stages. Blessed, I suppose.
i think the indys i had in 2006 or so didn't have a stamp, the next ones a few years later had one, then the next stage had a different stamp i think. i forgot what the last stamp was. it was just the cross and then the cross with a ring around or vice versa, i don't remember. i think stage 10 was the first iteration. stage 11 had a different stamp.
no idea what stage indy is at rn.
They started putting the iron cross on the baseplate slide area on stage 8, so 1998. Every stage since then has had them, but around 10 I believe they started putting that circle around the cross.
I've got some stage 7's, last stage to have no cross... and they look great. I don't get the fuss against removing the cross, it's just going back to how the baseplates looked for the first 20 years of Indy. More authentic, less conflicting, seems like a win-win.
Depending on if the logo was casted in versus stamped in, the new trucks without the logo may now be slightly heavier by the microgram. Depending on the number of micrograms in terms of this weight difference, it might matter to Bobby Puleo.
Haha, like if it was 33 micrograms or 47 micrograms? Really, it's likely 88 micrograms for the pair.
Nazi's fuckin love numerology almost as much as Bobby!
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I'm old enough to remember when Indy's didn't have the fucking iron cross on the base plate.
Those stamped plates didn’t show up until the Stage 10s; is that correct?
I actually still own a couple/few pairs of various Stages. Blessed, I suppose.
i think the indys i had in 2006 or so didn't have a stamp, the next ones a few years later had one, then the next stage had a different stamp i think. i forgot what the last stamp was. it was just the cross and then the cross with a ring around or vice versa, i don't remember. i think stage 10 was the first iteration. stage 11 had a different stamp.
no idea what stage indy is at rn.
They started putting the iron cross on the baseplate slide area on stage 8, so 1998. Every stage since then has had them, but around 10 I believe they started putting that circle around the cross.
I've got some stage 7's, last stage to have no cross... and they look great. I don't get the fuss against removing the cross, it's just going back to how the baseplates looked for the first 20 years of Indy. More authentic, less conflicting, seems like a win-win.
Depending on if the logo was casted in versus stamped in, the new trucks without the logo may now be slightly heavier by the microgram. Depending on the number of micrograms in terms of this weight difference, it might matter to Bobby Puleo.
Haha, like if it was 33 micrograms or 47 micrograms? Really, it's likely 88 micrograms for the pair.
Nazi's fuckin love numerology almost as much as Bobby!
Pretty sure Judaism is into it too, so I wouldn’t draw too many inferences
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8.8 metrograms. indy introduced cross on the baseplate on stage 8. saves indy $0.0033 to take it off. bobby puleo rides ventures, 5.2 lows right? add that up. venture trunks shot indy on the grassy knoll with Jason jesses gun.
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So Rhino's racist? weird.
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i think its cool and shows that at least some companies do listen and give a shit, and in skating thats even cooler.
indys have been highly regarded and to me this just shows another aspect of trying to make a quality product for everyone instead of holding some idealistic bullshit that it was founded upon.
still riding ventures though.
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Next they can focus on making trucks as good as Aces.
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But its not an iron cross........
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Can mods please merge all the "indy racist!?!?" threads into one?
Yes all 5,863 of them. Thanks.
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saw an ad with Independent in a diamond shape
Post an ad fuccboi
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My Indy crosses got scraped off in the first week.
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saw an ad with Independent in a diamond shape
Post an ad fuccboi
the milton hillbomb poster in the new thrasher, diamond indy logo
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Exactly. Fake badass vibe since day one. I've ridden them for years, but would definitely never have ever worn a t shirt or hat with those tuff guy logos.
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the logo has always been on some West Coast Choppers cringe Cali badass bullshit.
the imagery has a popular correlation to white supremacy and nazi crap
why wouldn't you drop the cross?
Agreed. With all this. I don’t think Indy is a secret Nazi brand or that there logo was anything other than a homage to 60s and 70s “outlaw” biker culture, but that’s enough reason to change it - because it’s fucking 2020 and that shit is played out and tacky, not to mention ugly
The smart thing to do is to just slip the logo deep into the background of your brand, and then bust it out every few years for a special release of 215s or XXL t-shirts for the Bowl Barneys who are going to be offended by the switch
winner winner.
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It's never going to disappear :'(
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New ad features the new logo, it is indeed the Diamond logo. Cross is done as of summer (its on some summer shirts they've pre booked already).