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Title: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on December 21, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
I have a series of questions related to the 8.5" - 9.2" Football / egg shape era right before they became a true popsicle and dropped in width below 8.0". How are skaters experiencing that setup today? To a level more detailed than just... "get small wheels and an oval board".

I've always found those specific years interesting for a number of reasons. The shape, wheels, graphics, the type of skating. I want to get a close to possible to something authentic, short of sourcing vintage parts from eBay and hope it doesn't turn to dust.


What are skaters doing to recreate a set up from that era without having to utilize new old stock or vintage parts?

Decks:
Reissue decks seem to be easy to come by... but, are people actually skating the reissue decks? Or are they just wall art?

Trucks:
Truck geometry must have come a long way since then and no company is offering reissue trucks of past generations. I've tried to find some '92 Venture 6 bolt Feather lights. That seems to be a shot in the dark, especially if your looking for a specific size. How much different is the geometry (feel) of a modern set of trucks vs. 1992?

Wheels:
There is a good bit of modern options in 44, 42, 40, 38mm, but the stock comes and goes, and the shapes appear to be very limited when compared to the massive options they had back in the 90's. I've found a few collectors that hoard these wheels like gold, only for display.


1st setup: *update*
Primitive Franky Villani (football) 9.125", with some thunder 161's (9.1" axle) and 52mm Spitfire classics.
This as been an experimental setup. I've tried a few sets of wheels from 48, 50, 52. I even through on some rails and its now living life as my slappy board. I'll post pictures if anyone requests.

2nd setup: POST #23 (new). Post #25 (first sessions) & #47 *update* (new wheels)
Heroin Soft Boiled Egg 8.7" after reading about it in some other threads, and its relative shape to the Villani, but smaller.
Paired it with some Venture Titanium 5.8 (8.5" axle) and 42mm Boardy Cakes wheels. (Now on 40mm SML. "Really Small wheels"

3rd setup: POST #48 (Getting somewhere now)
Real, 1992 James Kelch "Flyer" Slick, 2018 reissue. Venture V-Lights 5.8 (8.5 axle). SML. 40mm "Really Small Wheels"
Diamond Phillip, Bones Swiss, Mob.

I've picked up a few other reissue decks, some to skate, and some for the wall. I'll post updates on those when they end up in the rotation.
Also, I'm constantly on a small wheel lookout. NOS, or new. 38mm - 48mm always searching for a set I haven't tried. Send me links.


I'm interested to read what others have to say. Hopefully get some advice and insight into what it is I'm trying to do.

Any 1991-1993 relevant gear, articles, stories, pictures, videos, ect... are welcome and appreciated.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Ok on December 21, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
I’ll be watching this thread.
I skated before this era, quit, and then started again in ‘94, so missed I missed this. The boards looks too sick tho.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: stets on December 21, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So I set up a Kelch flyer reissue, on some 149 stage 7 Indy's that I got off ebay for a good price. I set it up with 44mm Boardycakes reissue wheels. It's not my daily rider, but it's fun for flatground and curbs near me.

The stage 7's (which came out in 1993 and are basically the same as the stage 6's from 1991, but with 6 hole baseplate) skate a little different than the Stage 11's that I have on another setup, they seem similar enough. The response is a little better on the 11's, maybe that's better modern bushings, but they have a similar feel overall. The look is different because of the hanger design. Theeve trucks are based off the early-mid 90's Indy geometry, and have a similar hanger design lines, so that might be an option for your "close to 1992 with modern parts" build? Can't comment on any Venture comparisons though.

Wheels-wise, I'd suggest checking out Boardycakes. They are a recent niche brand that makes a 38mm, 42mm, 44mm, 48.5mm, and 49mm wheel. I have their 44mm wheel and it's great. I like that they are wide compared to the 42mm or 40mm wheels made by other brands as novelties.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Dinglenuts on December 21, 2020, 02:26:56 PM
I was very much part of this era and your second setup is pretty close. For me it was a critical time for progression of my fliptricks. I actually set up something similar a few months ago thinking I would love it, but I did not.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on December 21, 2020, 03:59:09 PM
So I set up a Kelch flyer reissue, on some 149 stage 7 Indy's that I got off ebay for a good price.

Is it common to skate the reissues? I might sound naive, but are the industries intentions to get people to appreciate the art and time? or are these being produced to skate?

There is a James Kelch - Twister deck available... It would feel crazy setting that up, that graphic is iconic.

I wish someone would issue blanks in heritage shapes.

The stage 7's (which came out in 1993 and are basically the same as the stage 6's from 1991, but with 6 hole baseplate)

I will have to look into this. Thank you!

Wheels-wise, I'd suggest checking out Boardycakes.

Last week, I was about to place an order for the 44mm and 42mm, but the 44's were sold out, so I'm putting that on hold.

I reached out to Sml. Wheels to see when they would re stock their 40mm wheels, they said January.

There is a German company called Penus skateboards that makes a 44mm and a 39mm, but that might take a while to get here with the pandemic and how its effected international shipping.

If OJ wheels could just do another run of the 42mm Toasted Tiny wheel.. I really missed the boat when all these wheels were available.

I find it hard to believe that if Spitfire made a 48mm classic in formula 4, that they would have a hard time selling.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: kimura on December 21, 2020, 04:03:09 PM
IMO the reissues are meant to be skated. Of course you can always save one if it has a special meaning to you or you want some wall art but other than that buy it and rip it. Hoard a few if you are afraid they wont ever make it again.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 04:06:33 PM
I was very much part of this era and your second setup is pretty close. For me it was a critical time for progression of my fliptricks. I actually set up something similar a few months ago thinking I would love it, but I did not.

Totally and yes, recreating the same boards from NOS or even trying to skate existing complete boards from that era now feel so weird and strange to me, whereas new / current setups of modern parts set up to resemble those that we skated back then are much more comfortable.

Not sure if we just skated rubbish back then, but most likely the evolution of concave in particular and geometry of trucks are the two main factors in modern boards feeling so much better now, even in the egg or football shapes, which are definitely fun to ride.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 04:12:35 PM
IMO the reissues are meant to be skated. Of course you can always save one if it has a special meaning to you or you want some wall art but other than that buy it and rip it. Hoard a few if you are afraid they wont ever make it again.

A fair percentage of these boards would be going straight into collections never to be set up, but they are the regular boards at regular prices, so a lot of people do skate them, many buy two straight away, one to skate and one to keep.

Everything is limited really, but the companies that put out the "limited edition, specially numbered to X total quantity" are often the more sought after ones for collecting, and prices reflect that in normal shops too.

There is definitely more of a market for shaped boards, especially the football and egg, so I don't see these being stopped any time soon, more likely becoming more available in more sizes too if the trend is really pushing forward as much as it appears to be.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on December 21, 2020, 04:23:58 PM
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I was very much part of this era and your second setup is pretty close. For me it was a critical time for progression of my fliptricks. I actually set up something similar a few months ago thinking I would love it, but I did not.
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Totally and yes, recreating the same boards from NOS or even trying to skate existing complete boards from that era now feel so weird and strange to me, whereas new / current setups of modern parts set up to resemble those that we skated back then are much more comfortable.

This is the kind information I'm looking for. It makes sense that a retro setup with today innovations could make a setup more functional and enjoyable.

Graphics aside... How true to shape are the reissue decks?

The 101 Koston I held did not seem flat, if anything the concave seemed modern, much like the Villani and Heroin egg. I could be mistaken.

Perhaps not all reissues are true to the original concave?
As for graphics, I do know that there are heat transfer and screen printed alternatives. I would imagine the screen printed boards must be true to shape. Maybe not?

Has the bearing or hardware technology changed at all?Ceramics balls, and allen heads aside.

What about grip tape?

*rabbithole.jpg*
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Easy Slider on December 21, 2020, 04:30:37 PM

What about grip tape?



Flypaper was the sh*t. Googled it, turns out it still exists  :o

https://flypapergrip.com/pages/history-of-the-fly (https://flypapergrip.com/pages/history-of-the-fly)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 05:02:21 PM

Graphics aside... How true to shape are the reissue decks?

The 101 Koston I held did not seem flat, if anything the concave seemed modern, much like the Villani and Heroin egg. I could be mistaken.

Perhaps not all reissues are true to the original concave?
As for graphics, I do know that there are heat transfer and screen printed alternatives. I would imagine the screen printed boards must be true to shape. Maybe not?

Has the bearing or hardware technology changed at all?Ceramics balls, and allen heads aside.

What about grip tape?


I do recall some saying the boards are pressed on the same mold as the originals, one maybe even by the same guy that pressed them back in the day, but more often than not, they are modern concave pressed on the modern molds in the same way that all the current decks are, vs completely flat as they were back then.

I have had a few come through my hands, some were interesting, others were terrible, it would seem to me, for how they felt and skated, but again it is personal preference.  How much do you recall from that time and what have you been skating since?

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
This might be a bit much, so sorry for posting a heap, but these might be of interest:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhIgysaFyL9/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhIwlSvFIzn/
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Dinglenuts on December 21, 2020, 05:14:28 PM
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I was very much part of this era and your second setup is pretty close. For me it was a critical time for progression of my fliptricks. I actually set up something similar a few months ago thinking I would love it, but I did not.
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Totally and yes, recreating the same boards from NOS or even trying to skate existing complete boards from that era now feel so weird and strange to me, whereas new / current setups of modern parts set up to resemble those that we skated back then are much more comfortable.

Not sure if we just skated rubbish back then, but most likely the evolution of concave in particular and geometry of trucks are the two main factors in modern boards feeling so much better now, even in the egg or football shapes, which are definitely fun to ride.
Oh we definitely skated rubbish back then man, world indusrtries..blind..girl.. had to have them but they were complete crap. I had been on Ventures since that era until recently, and there is no doubt that even though they still don't turn they are a better feeling truck nowadays.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: theloniousmonk on December 21, 2020, 05:17:45 PM
The two eggs that I have had both had modern concave.
(Villani and girl g048)
I started in 94, so after the eggs, but decks were so mellow. I just got a mini logo that has a mellow mid 90s concave, and I am going to grab the next south central e concave that I see.
Also, when I started, everyone had the venture lows with the green bushings, have you considered low trucks to go with your egg?
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on December 21, 2020, 06:03:48 PM
How much do you recall from that time and what have you been skating since?

Well thats just it. I was born in '88, didn't pick up skating until 1999 at 11 years old. Had great shop nearby with locals full of knowledge. First board was a World Industries Battle 2000.

Fast forward all the younger years... I never really paid attention to sizes, shapes, brands. Went to college, got an engineering degree, work in an office, but I still skate every day. I remember in school reflecting on skateboard technology and trying to understand why we skate - what we skate - I've had the setup madness ever since.

Today I bounce between a 8.25 and 8.125 deck on 8.25" trucks, wheels never larger than 52mm.

I've boxed myself into this setup space where I never branch out and experience anything new. This got me thinking... How I even got to this setup in the first place, personal preference aside.

I want to go back, learn a bit about the history that lead me to my first setup in 1999. I believe that trend started in the early 90's, the explosion of street skating and the shape change that defined the type of skating that carried over into the early 2000's. I figure no better way to learn then to build one and rip it, a proper one.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: ok boomer on December 21, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
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What about grip tape?


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Flypaper was the sh*t. Googled it, turns out it still exists  :o

https://flypapergrip.com/pages/history-of-the-fly (https://flypapergrip.com/pages/history-of-the-fly)

Fly paper was my go to back in the day
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 09:22:17 PM
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How much do you recall from that time and what have you been skating since?
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Well thats just it. I was born in '88, didn't pick up skating until 1999 at 11 years old. Had great shop nearby with locals full of knowledge. First board was a World Industries Battle 2000.

Fast forward all the younger years... I never really paid attention to sizes, shapes, brands. Went to college, got an engineering degree, work in an office, but I still skate every day. I remember in school reflecting on skateboard technology and trying to understand why we skate - what we skate - I've had the setup madness ever since.

Today I bounce between a 8.25 and 8.125 deck on 8.25" trucks, wheels never larger than 52mm.

I've boxed myself into this setup space where I never branch out and experience anything new. This got me thinking... How I even got to this setup in the first place, personal preference aside.

I want to go back, learn a bit about the history that lead me to my first setup in 1999. I believe that trend started in the early 90's, the explosion of street skating and the shape change that defined the type of skating that carried over into the early 2000's. I figure no better way to learn then to build one and rip it, a proper one.

Sweet!

I have made a number of weird setups over the years with old product mainly just because I could, but I guess too it depends on how much you want to spend and how much time you have to look for things you want.

At least now that things are spreading out a bit more, to allow mainstream markets to get shaped boards, some brands are doing much smaller wheels, etc, it is really helping things along.

Bones swiss bearings have been around for a long time, but it has only been as an adult I bought some for myself.

Deck bolts have remained much the same, Shortys and others being one of the most visible companies well past that era, but that is what I use now, phillips only as allen heads changed and if you didn't have the right exact size allen key you were stuck.

Old worn down wheels make for really good go to for the small wheels era boards too.

There are so many things you can do to mix things up or make setups that still work for how you are used to skating too, eg same truck bushings as your other rides.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on December 21, 2020, 10:07:32 PM
Ben DeGros talks a bit about that stuff in these two videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSYX7fYMe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvZkzgOpOQ4
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Easy Slider on December 22, 2020, 01:03:04 AM


Deck bolts have remained much the same,

Forgot about Bridgebolts, bro?  ;D

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fDEAAOSwl~BdfqeP/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2020, 02:21:43 AM
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Deck bolts have remained much the same,
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Forgot about Bridgebolts, bro?  ;D


I think by 1993 we were done with all those, but I actually have a set hanging up beside my old Firm deck, along with one old Indy hanger and a few other bits and pieces.

There is a pic of an older board they were on, maybe a Powell deck I had in 1990 or 1991, but when going to a board I was doing nose slides on, I think we were using much smaller deck bolts, cutting down a lot of the bigger heavier things, or maybe I just couldn't afford them, as there are no imprints from them on any of the other boards after that time.

They were an interesting addition, but one that got in the way more than anything.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2020, 02:24:58 AM
I went looking for bridgebolt history but found this article instead.

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/10/03/signs-you-were-an-early-90s-skater/

Worth a read, even just for a laugh.

This too:

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2014/01/02/signs-you-were-a-late-90s-skater/

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: kimura on December 22, 2020, 08:05:03 AM
I went looking for bridgebolt history but found this article instead.

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/10/03/signs-you-were-an-early-90s-skater/

Worth a read, even just for a laugh.

This too:

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2014/01/02/signs-you-were-a-late-90s-skater/



Got a good laugh from those. I forgot about those bridge bolts. There was a brief period in the late 80's early 90's when it was cool to put your 2 front bolts upside down so the nuts were on top. It was thought your shoe would catch on the nuts and help boost ollies.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2020, 01:17:51 PM
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I went looking for bridgebolt history but found this article instead.

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/10/03/signs-you-were-an-early-90s-skater/

Worth a read, even just for a laugh.

This too:

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2014/01/02/signs-you-were-a-late-90s-skater/


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Got a good laugh from those. I forgot about those bridge bolts. There was a brief period in the late 80's early 90's when it was cool to put your 2 front bolts upside down so the nuts were on top. It was thought your shoe would catch on the nuts and help boost ollies.

Yep, the coolest guy we skated with did that and could ollie tennis court nets, so we all thought that was how it was done.  Reason prevailed though and most of us never actually did it or left them like that for long though.  On a two to three inch nose, it wasn't that weird looking, the way it would be on a longer nose board.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on December 30, 2020, 05:03:27 PM
8.75" Soft Boiled Egg, Heroin Skateboards (Razor top)
5.8 Venture Titanium Trucks (8.5" axle)
42mm Boardy Cakes OG Wheels (101a)


(https://i.ibb.co/0h2pLkt/20201230-193843.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0h2pLkt)

(https://i.ibb.co/gg9P5fX/20201230-190312.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gg9P5fX)

(https://i.ibb.co/YjsxPX7/20201230-185116.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjsxPX7)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: FatGuy92 on December 30, 2020, 05:06:50 PM
I’ve tried this before, but didn’t stick with it due to how rough the ground in my local spots are

Quasi 9.0 football
Venture titanium 5.8
Sml 40mm 99a

Definitely fun here and there, but it’s hard to find football shapes and small wheels consistently which also makes me not want to get too used to the setup

(Also sorry not sure how to post pics)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on January 02, 2021, 07:14:08 AM
First two days on the egg is everything I could have wanted.

Honestly a real treat. Light and easily manageable. Learned some new things and didn't get stuck on any pebbles. Really don't notice the wheel size much, other then its a kind of a slow roller and round bars are sketchy, I stuck to the curbs.

The Boardy Cakes wheels wear down quick, I mean very quick. Already down a couple mm, and flat spots are easy to come by. They are at least priced, accordingly.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 02, 2021, 06:27:13 PM
Looking good!

I wonder how it would ride with some of your other bigger wheels, compared to those now 40s, eg your 50mm Spitfire classics.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 08, 2021, 01:24:01 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJxzNO9FUt8/?igshid=10iduo1rz6trw
Check out all those dimensions; not a wheelbase over 14.25!!!
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 08, 2021, 08:21:48 AM
Check out all those dimensions; not a wheelbase over 14.25!!!

Ha yes, I saw that too and thought that would be a good post for all the people who like wide boards with short wheelbases.

I never had any of those growing up and the one I stood on a few years ago just felt so weird to my modern concave tastes - completely flat almost.

The T Tommy G board was reissued a while back too but because of the shorter wheelbase, I didn't get it and got the flaming logo one instead (almost the Dane1 shape) but it had 14.38 wb or something.  I still haven't set it up though.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: ok boomer on January 08, 2021, 11:30:09 AM
I'm probably in the minority on this but I love 14" wb
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 08, 2021, 07:27:37 PM
I'm probably in the minority on this but I love 14" wb

No I think a lot more people are finding that a shorter wheelbase is easier to flip and move.

A couple of my friends who always just rode normal boards of the 8.25 to 8.75 blanks, which are 14.38 to 14.5 wb, but are running short of new wood (shipping delays and no fresh wood), so they drilled down some old boards just to see what they were like, going in from the tail to get a second life out of them. They loved them much more than the standard wheelbase that came on them.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: FUBAR on January 08, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
I actually had both those Real decks, the swap meet in san diego had a place that sold em cheap. I remember them being super flimsy and didnt last long. We didnt know they were Real decks...they werent marked besides the graphics and we were too dumb to realize who the pros were. I think they were slicks but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on January 08, 2021, 08:57:54 PM
Perhaps the shorter wheel base of the early 90's had a lot to do with keeping those flat boards as stiff as possible.

Skateboards function in fractions... that relatively shorter wheel base on flat decks was probably necessary to keep some rigidity between the trucks.

As concave increased, so did board stiffness. Maybe the increased wheel base was a result of that?

With modern concave, longer wheel bases can be explored without compromise? I'm just spit balling...


Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2021, 01:28:24 AM
I actually had both those Real decks, the swap meet in san diego had a place that sold em cheap. I remember them being super flimsy and didnt last long. We didnt know they were Real decks...they werent marked besides the graphics and we were too dumb to realize who the pros were. I think they were slicks but I could be wrong.

Yes they were slicks in those four dress up graphics - you can scroll right (arrow in the middle) to see the other ones from that time too.

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 09, 2021, 02:21:10 AM
I'm probably in the minority on this but I love 14" wb
no I love it too, I think I feel most comfortable in and around that size because I probably learnt the majority of my tricks on boards shaped like this.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: mj23 on January 09, 2021, 09:38:37 AM
I’ve been watching the egg/football revival for a while now and just not really seeing the appeal...
Then I saw a friend post some clips from a little indoor flat bar/bank/box course he set up for Covid winter, and it clicked. I had visions of OG World Park footage and how much sense it makes to fling tiny wheels around in that kind of context. Still not sure how anyone rides this stuff out in the wild, but that’s just me. The curiosity is growing...
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
I’ve been watching the egg/football revival for a while now and just not really seeing the appeal...
Then I saw a friend post some clips from a little indoor flat bar/bank/box course he set up for Covid winter, and it clicked. I had visions of OG World Park footage and how much sense it makes to fling tiny wheels around in that kind of context. Still not sure how anyone rides this stuff out in the wild, but that’s just me. The curiosity is growing...

I imagine that back leg twice the size of the front leg from pushing ten times as much to get from one end of a spot to the other, but even on normal setups, the smaller wheels make tech tricks so much easier than bigger wheels, and that is my worn down Spitfires to around 50mm compared to 56mm when new, so on 40mm or less, there is some serious pumping on ramp or lots of extra pushes on flat.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Ok on January 09, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
A good part of my setup fuckery comes from needing to skate at least 54 mm wheels, do to rough terrain. Live in a crusty area. Bigger wheels means no more lo trucks, and then the board needs to be wider if the wheels are bigger, and then....I can’t flip this motherfucker and that’s all I have left soooooo. Yeah.

On topic, I skated before this era, and then started again in 93-94, but just missed the cool shaped boards. Everything was kinda small and boring. It’s cool to see companies and skaters bring this type of thing back.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Nth syd bear on January 10, 2021, 04:09:39 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJxzNO9FUt8/?igshid=10iduo1rz6trw
Check out all those dimensions; not a wheelbase over 14.25!!!

I really like this thread..     I remember that Real series anyway

2 things that Sluggo cone Board has a wb of 13.625 thats nuts..

The last board I assume that's a typo in the catalogue and n meant to say Salman Stripes in the description ?

If real reissued the Thiebaud bunny graphic I'd get in a heart beat :)

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: GardenSkater77 on January 24, 2021, 04:12:55 PM
Inspiration...

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/dc07af207bcd7e48bf3168d403c9fb80/tumblr_nv4rlgw2CO1tj07qxo1_1280.jpg)

8.75 x 32.25

Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2021, 06:24:00 AM
I wasn't skating during this era (started in 1996) but I've always had a fascination with these setups. While I'm not quite skating anything as drastic, lately I keep coming back to a 9" egg/football, 8.75" Trucks, and like 50mm wheels (have always skated 50s). I mostly skate curbs and flat and this sort of thing feels super functional and for whatever makes me take things a little less seriously. Can't get down with the sub-50 wheels though. Even in a 50/51mm, F4s feel nice and functional.

Also, re: the wheelbase thing...I was skating a Girl Couch shape and a similar Deathwish, both with 13.875 WB and it felt fine even though I am well over 6'. Both had a lot of flat on the nose, so they didn't feel short as far as overall surface goes. I also skate pretty slow, so IDK.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: GardenSkater77 on January 25, 2021, 10:07:35 AM
I wasn't skating during this era (started in 1996) but I've always had a fascination with these setups. While I'm not quite skating anything as drastic, lately I keep coming back to a 9" egg/football, 8.75" Trucks, and like 50mm wheels (have always skated 50s). I mostly skate curbs and flat and this sort of thing feels super functional and for whatever makes me take things a little less seriously. Can't get down with the sub-50 wheels though. Even in a 50/51mm, F4s feel nice and functional.

Also, re: the wheelbase thing...I was skating a Girl Couch shape and a similar Deathwish, both with 13.875 WB and it felt fine even though I am well over 6'. Both had a lot of flat on the nose, so they didn't feel short as far as overall surface goes. I also skate pretty slow, so IDK.

Duuuuuuuude. You gotta try 42 mm wheels. You are almost there. 50 mm wheels were huuuge in 92’. You would have been laughed off the school yard. We were debating 38 mm vs 42 mm.

I’m telling you, if you find a nice slick 6 inch high curb there is nothing better than 42 mm wheels on an egg/football shape. It’s like jibbing in snowboarding. I used to spend hours doing noselide to crooked grind to nose slide. The wheels allow you to just shift into k-grind or 180 nose grind so easily. Also, blunts slide more easily due to less wheel contact.

It’s even more rad with airwalk ones and New Deal Big Deal Pants—both of which you can purchase today.

If I had a nice nose slide curb on a smooth ground I’d have a set of Boardy Cakes in the cart right now but I am still in search of that perfect curb.

It’s up to you but I think you know what the right thing to do is.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2021, 01:21:13 PM
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I wasn't skating during this era (started in 1996) but I've always had a fascination with these setups. While I'm not quite skating anything as drastic, lately I keep coming back to a 9" egg/football, 8.75" Trucks, and like 50mm wheels (have always skated 50s). I mostly skate curbs and flat and this sort of thing feels super functional and for whatever makes me take things a little less seriously. Can't get down with the sub-50 wheels though. Even in a 50/51mm, F4s feel nice and functional.

Also, re: the wheelbase thing...I was skating a Girl Couch shape and a similar Deathwish, both with 13.875 WB and it felt fine even though I am well over 6'. Both had a lot of flat on the nose, so they didn't feel short as far as overall surface goes. I also skate pretty slow, so IDK.
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Duuuuuuuude. You gotta try 42 mm wheels. You are almost there. 50 mm wheels were huuuge in 92’. You would have been laughed off the school yard. We were debating 38 mm vs 42 mm.

I’m telling you, if you find a nice slick 6 inch high curb there is nothing better than 42 mm wheels on an egg/football shape. It’s like jibbing in snowboarding. I used to spend hours doing noselide to crooked grind to nose slide. The wheels allow you to just shift into k-grind or 180 nose grind so easily. Also, blunts slide more easily due to less wheel contact.

It’s even more rad with airwalk ones and New Deal Big Deal Pants—both of which you can purchase today.

If I had a nice nose slide curb on a smooth ground I’d have a set of Boardy Cakes in the cart right now but I am still in search of that perfect curb.

It’s up to you but I think you know what the right thing to do is.

Nah, the ground here sucks. I'll skate some 50mm F4s worn down to 45 but I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole. I once ruptured my right triceps and had to have it grafted back after hitting a stop rock, so while I am down to tempt fate I am not trying to beg it to fuck me.

Tempting as that kind of curb dancing may be.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 25, 2021, 01:25:20 PM
I'm setting up an early 90s rig to relearn some flip tricks. (I learned all mine in BPSW era). I have a Creature 8.8 (14" WB) and Stage 8 146s ready to go. I could not decide on wheels but I vowed to myself in the mid 90s, I'd never go below 50mm ever again. In fact I still remember walking into Church of Skatan in Santa Barbara and finding some 55mms and leaping for joy. So I just ordered some 50mm Formula Four Lil Smokies.... not quite period correct but I look forward to some barely rolling parking lot sessions this Spring....
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Ok on January 25, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
I'm setting up an early 90s rig to relearn some flip tricks. (I learned all mine in BPSW era). I have a Creature 8.8 (14" WB) and Stage 8 146s ready to go. I could not decide on wheels but I vowed to myself in the mid 90s, I'd never go below 50mm ever again. In fact I still remember walking into Church of Skatan in Santa Barbara and finding some 55mms and leaping for joy. So I just ordered some 50mm Formula Four Lil Smokies.... not quite period correct but I look forward to some barely rolling parking lot sessions this Spring....

I’m in some dumb shit and looking for old stage indys rn. Stage 7-10. What’s the fave and why?
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 25, 2021, 02:08:59 PM
I usually skate Thunder or Ace but if some Stage 7 or 8s come my way.... I'm down.

Pros: drilled with both hole patterns, still have the pre-stage 9 magic turn, cool sizes, can upgrade with Krux Downlow KP without all the epoxy mes, Metal grinds amazingly well. Long life.
Cons: heavy, potential axle slip.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Ok on January 25, 2021, 02:27:19 PM
I usually skate Thunder or Ace but if some Stage 7 or 8s come my way.... I'm down.

Pros: drilled with both hole patterns, still have the pre-stage 9 magic turn, cool sizes, can upgrade with Krux Downlow KP without all the epoxy mes, Metal grinds amazingly well. Long life.
Cons: heavy, potential axle slip.

Short of spending way too much via eBay, I haven’t figured out a way to get any.
I remember the slip.
I didn’t hate 10s. Can’t remember 9s.
Alternatives would be, as in closest, possibly the mids?
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on February 01, 2021, 02:21:34 PM
Got some more updates.

Still skating the soft boiled egg, absolutely in love with the setup.
I've ditched the OG boady cakes 42mm after a handfull of sessions. They were already down to 37mm and horribly flat spotted. They flat spot much to easy IMO, to be a wheel I can rely on.

I switch to a set of SML. 40mm "Really small wheels" They are much harder, and I havent flat spotted them yet, their urethane seems to be on point with what you'd expect.

I even put on some bronson ceramics to keep the modern feel going. All together with the titanium trucks and small wheels... the board is incredibly light, its the first thing anyone mentions when I hand it to them.

(https://i.ibb.co/m0dTNhF/Egg-SB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0dTNhF)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: abgrooms on February 01, 2021, 02:42:25 PM
I actually picked up a second set of SML. wheels to go with this new complete. A bit more retro than the soft boiled egg.

Real, James Kelch "Flyer" Slick. 8.7
Venture, V-Light 5.8 trucks (8.5" axle)
SML. wheels 40mm
Diamond Phillips Hardware
Bones Swiss Bearings
Mob Griptape

It's going to get skated, but not until the Soft Boiled egg is cooked.

I do love looking at it... era correct proportions, and something about that slick matte finish flyer graphic.

(https://i.ibb.co/Vg7h4R0/20210131-223027.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg7h4R0)

(https://i.ibb.co/sHx3NB0/20210131-203110.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHx3NB0)

(https://i.ibb.co/860gQKQ/20210131-222200.jpg) (https://ibb.co/860gQKQ)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: GBLange on August 16, 2021, 05:43:49 PM
blessed to be able to skate during the egg/football deck and small wheel era. the smallest wheels i've ever rode was 39mm wheels that glows in the dark back in 1992. it's great that more board companies are making the egg/football shape again. i hv bout 10 modern egg/football egg board on ice right now. currently riding the Quasi 9" Pool Skater deck.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: FUBAR on August 16, 2021, 06:06:37 PM
Blind put out that 8.1 x 31.6 Tim Gavin reissue. It’s a slick. I have not set it up yet, but I think I am going to put some 40-something mm wheels on it. It may be my wintertime basement session deck.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Xen on August 17, 2021, 07:16:33 PM
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How much do you recall from that time and what have you been skating since?
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Today I bounce between a 8.25 and 8.125 deck on 8.25" trucks, wheels never larger than 52mm.

I've boxed myself into this setup space where I never branch out and experience anything new. This got me thinking... How I even got to this setup in the first place, personal preference aside.


Pretty much me.

I chalk it up to being ATV. I can skate anything (some things better than others). Ditches, bowls, rails, ramps, ledges, flat, parks curbs, gaps, stairs, etc. and an 8.25 with 8.25" trucks and 52 (or 53) can handle anything you throw at it (obviously bigger wheels would help with ramps and bowls). It's the biggest of the small boards and smallest of the big ones.

I branch out tho, try shit for the fun of it but always come back to the above.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: TheSickness on October 13, 2021, 07:03:01 PM
Wow, that Tommy Guerrero board on the left was my first real skateboard...(no phn intended)
Great to see this!!!


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJxzNO9FUt8/?igshid=10iduo1rz6trw
Check out all those dimensions; not a wheelbase over 14.25!!!
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: TheSickness on April 07, 2022, 08:37:50 AM
Inspiration...

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/dc07af207bcd7e48bf3168d403c9fb80/tumblr_nv4rlgw2CO1tj07qxo1_1280.jpg)

8.75 x 32.25

I had that board back in the day - I loved that shape, and would buy that re-issue in a hot second if possible! Also had the Tommy Guerrero Elvis - Real board someone posted earlier in this thread - So rad to see these gems again.  :)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 07, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Ed made that era look good. I had that T-Shirt! never really understood what it meant and felt weird wearing it.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2022, 08:53:47 AM
Ed made that era look good. I had that T-Shirt! never really understood what it meant and felt weird wearing it.

His outfit and setup too sick. Funny to me that he always looked like someone’s dad, even when he was younger.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: j....soy..... on April 07, 2022, 09:03:37 AM
It wasn’t easy being Ed for at least 5 years too…..

That’s a company that I wish ran more heritage stuff….so many good graphics….
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
That’s for sure on the heritage stuff. The new stuff seems like it’s Ed’s AI generated. Free Ed.
Krooked had a bit of this but is a little better imo.
On the positive side, both have amazing artwork in their past
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 07, 2022, 10:12:51 AM
Closest I've come to a 92-93 set up since those days but 50mm was the smallest wheel I could bring myself to buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/WcbNlw1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Watson on April 07, 2022, 06:50:33 PM
Last fall I set up this 8.75 Accidental Gun Death slick reissue with some SML 40mms and some Thunder 149s I had sitting around. (I didn't nerd out on the trucks or really anything. Just tried to get a period specific reissue on some small wheels.)

(https://i.imgur.com/3R7LRip.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CSSQv8y.jpg)

I started skating in 94' so boards were kind of out of this phase already. The board had basically no concave which made it hard to do get used to but it was fun to skate. Wouldn't want to skate it as my regular board but I'll definitely have a few more sessions with it for fun.

Here's a little video I made of my session:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUVun99pISZ/
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Easy Slider on April 07, 2022, 10:47:23 PM
Last fall I set up this 8.75 Accidental Gun Death slick reissue with some SML 40mms and some Thunder 149s I had sitting around. (I didn't nerd out on the trucks or really anything. Just tried to get a period specific reissue on some small wheels.)

(https://i.imgur.com/3R7LRip.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CSSQv8y.jpg)

I started skating in 94' so boards were kind of out of this phase already. The board had basically no concave which made it hard to do get used to but it was fun to skate. Wouldn't want to skate it as my regular board but I'll definitely have a few more sessions with it for fun.

Here's a little video I made of my session:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUVun99pISZ/

That was so dope, real 90s vibes! If you want to get even more 90s wear bigger pants and try mobbing your flips. Otherwise 10/10.  8)
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: roba on April 08, 2022, 04:55:39 AM
IMO the reissues are meant to be skated. Of course you can always save one if it has a special meaning to you or you want some wall art but other than that buy it and rip it. Hoard a few if you are afraid they wont ever make it again.

i try to cop 2 for that reason if i really like the graphic, but i buy modern shapes only. ben degros made a video about these reissue setups and in his words there are no redeeming qualities in those setups, they skate worse than normal boards but then again he's pretty serious about progressing and shit and they're probably fun as fuck but harder to skate.
Title: Re: 1992-93 setups, vintage or modern to skate.
Post by: Coping Grinder on April 08, 2022, 05:39:55 AM
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IMO the reissues are meant to be skated. Of course you can always save one if it has a special meaning to you or you want some wall art but other than that buy it and rip it. Hoard a few if you are afraid they wont ever make it again.
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i try to cop 2 for that reason if i really like the graphic, but i buy modern shapes only. ben degros made a video about these reissue setups and in his words there are no redeeming qualities in those setups, they skate worse than normal boards but then again he's pretty serious about progressing and shit and they're probably fun as fuck but harder to skate.

Skateboards are always made to be skated! Agree with them being fun but harder. Would say it's like the conclusion I came with shaped boards: some tricks are gonna feel a lot stronger on them, and some are gonna feel a lot weaker on them. When you go back to a standard popsicle, those weaker tricks feel that much better again.