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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: Dinglenuts on December 21, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
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You ladies and gents and everyone in-between getting your Covid-19 vaccination when it's available or are you skeered?
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I work in health care, my work already orderd it for us should be getting the shot in late January early February.
Feel privileged and really looking forward to it.
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hell na, chump. Rather have covid. Which I currently do.
Least sick i've ever been while being technically sick
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My Mom is getting it because of her job, who the fuck knows when I’ll get a chance.
There was a huge argument in my group chat because my friend is refusing to take it because a Pfizer scientist liked some racist tweets 3 years ago. IMO who gives a fuck as long as the vaccine works and side effects are minimal.
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I haven't looked too much into yet but I probably won't. I'm definitely wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer but I'm young and healthy enough to take the risk of getting it than take a risk of a new vaccine. If I was older or more at risk to die from it, then I would be more open to consider it.
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Yeah, once all the other people are done climbing over one another to get it first.
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I haven't looked too much into yet but I probably won't. I'm definitely wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer but I'm young and healthy enough to take the risk of getting it than take a risk of a new vaccine. If I was older or more at risk to die from it, then I would be more open to consider it.
Yes, but it isn't about you. Isn't the whole point, inoculate yourself so you don't spread to those more vulnerable than yourself?
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I haven't looked too much into yet but I probably won't. I'm definitely wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer but I'm young and healthy enough to take the risk of getting it than take a risk of a new vaccine. If I was older or more at risk to die from it, then I would be more open to consider it.
Yes, but it isn't about you. Isn't the whole point, inoculate yourself so you don't spread to those more vulnerable than yourself?
I get that argument but to be honest I think it would be completely unfair to shame someone into injecting a vaccine in their body without any long term studies done.
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what's really hard right now, other than countless people dying from Covid and at least here in the US, the government doing nothing to quell the tide of sickness and death, is that there's no room for conversation about WHY people may have reservations regarding this vaccine. Like all sorts of other shit done in the spirit of unfettered, free market capitalism, I don't particularly trust that these vaccines are all that safe. Pharmaceutical companies pump out medications, that even while being peer reviewed, still aren't exactly safe and have a host of "side effects." And, like I said, those are peer reviewed. Take a look at the law suits underway against Purdue Pharma for the Oxycontin murder spree not to mention the effects and efficacy of anti-depressants, diabetes medication, and anxiety medications that are standards across the board if you're wondering why people who aren't "anti-vaxxers" might be skeptical. What was the rate of gain on the stock market for these companies upon releasing these vaccines? How much money is being lost in major industries due to the proliferation of Covid 19?
I hope it's legit and doesn't do harm. I'll probably take it- I've traveled a bunch and went through basic training for the military, so there's already a ton of medication and vaccinations that have been shot into this body. I'm just trying to respec the lived experience of others and their self determination. Conversation is crucial.
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Yes, as soon it will be my turn. Already had Covid and we need to stop this.
Good initiativ, the "Ignore user" will wear out by the end of this thread.
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I don't see a connection between Oxy and other meds (addictive or otherwise) and the vaccines. Two vastly different cases. Also, this vaccines were approved in the EU as well, so I'm not too worried about their safety.
It's fine to have reservations, but antivaxxers aren't being skeptical, they fully believe that vaccines are evil or whatever while reaping the benefits of vaccinations. That to me is not healthy skepticism but a total disconnect from reality.
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I'll get it through the VA whenever they offer it. I hope it's effective on that new UK strain, too.
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It’s my understanding the Pfizer vaccine does not stop transmission but it does lessen the sickness. Therefore the Pfizer vaccine will not stop the spread.
Interested to learn more about the Humira vaccine.
That being said I will take my share in six months from now. Until then I will avoid all humans except family.
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I haven't looked too much into yet but I probably won't. I'm definitely wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer but I'm young and healthy enough to take the risk of getting it than take a risk of a new vaccine. If I was older or more at risk to die from it, then I would be more open to consider it.
Yes, but it isn't about you. Isn't the whole point, inoculate yourself so you don't spread to those more vulnerable than yourself?
I get that argument but to be honest I think it would be completely unfair to shame someone into injecting a vaccine in their body without any long term studies done.
I hear ya. I skeptical also but in this circumstance I am going in.
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I don't see a connection between Oxy and other meds (addictive or otherwise) and the vaccines. Two vastly different cases. Also, this vaccines were approved in the EU as well, so I'm not too worried about their safety.
It's fine to have reservations, but antivaxxers aren't being skeptical, they fully believe that vaccines are evil or whatever while reaping the benefits of vaccinations. That to me is not healthy skepticism but a total disconnect from reality.
While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
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I am keen. Look I don’t know much at all about medicine and stuff but as others said I think vaccines are different for sure, I think they work differently to other drugs - is a vaccine even a drug?
But the discussion on big pharma or whatever, and over prescription of drugs of dependancy is a legit discussion - I just think these are two different issues
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the problem with "skepticism" and "just wanting to have a conversation" is that there is no evidence for being skeptical, and there is no real conversation to be had, you are just scared of a substance that you personally don't understand being injected into your body, and that in itself is fine, but don't go making shit up after the fact to justify those raw emotions.
this "conversation" never seems to include the fact that the vaccine has gone through several clinical trials and has been determined to be exponentially safer than the virus, full stop. experts who understand the disease > randos on the internet feeling skeptical for no real reason, that goes for pretty much everything covid19 related.
fwiw, oxycontin is not inherently unsafe, but marketing it aggressively and prescribing it to people who did not need it was unsafe.
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the problem with "skepticism" and "just wanting to have a conversation" is that there is no evidence for being skeptical, and there is no real conversation to be had, you are just scared of a substance that you personally don't understand being injected into your body, and that in itself is fine, but don't go making shit up after the fact to justify those raw emotions.
this "conversation" never seems to include the fact that the vaccine has gone through several clinical trials and has been determined to be exponentially safer than the virus, full stop. experts who understand the disease > randos on the internet feeling skeptical for no real reason, that goes for pretty much everything covid19 related.
fwiw, oxycontin is not inherently unsafe, but marketing it aggressively and prescribing it to people who did not need it was unsafe.
I'm not trying to further an argument regarding the efficacy of these new vaccines. I've been a mask wearing, hand washing hermit this whole damn time because I'm not a medical professional and like yourself, some rando on the internet, don't know shit about shit. What I'm saying is that telling people that their "raw emotions" and lived experiences when it comes to authority and medical treatment/experts are invalid does more harm than good. There are populations of people, and really, I find the Trump Q crowd frustrating and extremely dangerous and am not referring to them, who have continually been fucked, again and again.
I didn't state that oxycontin is unsafe, but rather the side effect of addiction and the fact that it was created/prescribed/marketed solely for the sake of mass profit. Sure, in a perfect world, time release oxycodone is as safe as soda pop, but that's not how the world works. People were told that high dose time release oxycontin was safe and non-addictive, which was an outright lie.
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Also im fully pro mandatory vaccination.
I‘ve seen 30 year olds being transferd to ICU, i have collegues who still have breath troubles walking up stairs while running marathons a dear before.
But obviously everything looks less dangerous
If you experience it trought The internet.
Its incredible how people refuse to listen to the Worlds
Leading scientists, the WHO, doctors.... people who habe a clue and have decades of experience.
People rather listen to whacky youtube links, whatsapp groups, you name it.
They admit to have no clue about vaccination, to have no
Idea how it works, yet they just repeat bullshit from weird
Sources.
Would you buy that 12$ iphone from that Weird site you just found a link in your spam inbox? Would you invest in that fishy pyramid system that you get youtube links for? You wouldnt. So why do you do that when it comes down to your healt.
People say they are afraid of long term issues yet they put a cellphone to their head every day no questions asked whatsoever. (And NO i dont think thats a problem)
People say, well i dont no what its made of, whats inside... yet they smoke weed and do drugs they juy from random guys/sources....
Just man up and get the shot. If not for yourself do it for your loved ones.
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the problem with "skepticism" and "just wanting to have a conversation" is that there is no evidence for being skeptical, and there is no real conversation to be had, you are just scared of a substance that you personally don't understand being injected into your body, and that in itself is fine, but don't go making shit up after the fact to justify those raw emotions.
this "conversation" never seems to include the fact that the vaccine has gone through several clinical trials and has been determined to be exponentially safer than the virus, full stop. experts who understand the disease > randos on the internet feeling skeptical for no real reason, that goes for pretty much everything covid19 related.
fwiw, oxycontin is not inherently unsafe, but marketing it aggressively and prescribing it to people who did not need it was unsafe.
Nailed it so hard. Gnar
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Yeah I’d like to but after they’ve got all the kinks out of the initial treatment.
No it’s not some antivaxxer bs just if they’re rushing everyone to get it I’m not buying it’s effectiveness.
I have been in medical studies and I’ve had extreme issues with side effects and having been on antiviral drugs for Hep C they’ve given me exema and restless leg syndrome.
Plus anyone else remember the fact they’ve purposefully done horrible things in the name of medical science to others?
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Yeah I’d like to but after they’ve got all the kinks out of the initial treatment.
No it’s not some antivaxxer bs just if they’re rushing everyone to get it I’m not buying it’s effectiveness.
I have been in medical studies and I’ve had extreme issues with side effects and having been on antiviral drugs for Hep C they’ve given me exema and restless leg syndrome.
Plus anyone else remember the fact they’ve purposefully done horrible things in the name of medical science to others?
What, like curing your hepatitis?
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Yeah I’d like to but after they’ve got all the kinks out of the initial treatment.
No it’s not some antivaxxer bs just if they’re rushing everyone to get it I’m not buying it’s effectiveness.
I have been in medical studies and I’ve had extreme issues with side effects and having been on antiviral drugs for Hep C they’ve given me exema and restless leg syndrome.
Plus anyone else remember the fact they’ve purposefully done horrible things in the name of medical science to others?
What, like curing your hepatitis?
True, I get where you are going with that. I’m not entirely convinced about this treatment just yet.
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Be interesting to see how they enforce vaccine if mandatory because so many people out there against it. In my city, any healthcare type job you have to provide proof of immunizations for mumps, measles, & rubella before getting hired. Think in the near future, covid vaccine be added to the list & non healthcare jobs will also require proof of covid vaccine too. Predict huge problems for forcing existing employees to get vaccine unless a new law is passed. Hard to imagine your employer giving you an ultimatum of getting the shot or be fired. New hires would be so easy to enforce to get vaccine.
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Be interesting to see how they enforce vaccine if mandatory because so many people out there against it. In my city, any healthcare type job you have to provide proof of immunizations for mumps, measles, & rubella before getting hired. Think in the near future, covid vaccine be added to the list & non healthcare jobs will also require proof of covid vaccine too. Predict huge problems for forcing existing employees to get vaccine unless a new law is passed. Hard to imagine your employer giving you an ultimatum of getting the shot or be fired. New hires would be so easy to enforce to get vaccine.
Enforce..mandatory...require..ultimatum.. Any subject about altering your body that may include these words could understandably be met with skepticism.
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I wish I had y’alls faith in the government and pharmaceutical companies looking out for our best interests, but based on their prior behavior that doesn’t seem very likely.
Here’s a couple examples:
During prohibition, the US government purposefully poisoned bootleg alcohol and killed over 10,000 people (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison).
From 1932-72, the US Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control conducted the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American Males (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study). The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis; the African-American men who participated in the study were told that they were receiving free health care from the federal government of the United States, but were deceived by the Public Health Service, who never informed subjects of their diagnosis and disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment. The study was supposed to last six months, but they extended it to 40 years, and the only reason it was terminated was because someone leaked it to the press.
There’s a ton of this shit that has been done throughout the years.
Long history here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States)
“The experiments include the exposure of humans to many chemical and biological weapons (including infection with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injection of toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners.”
As far as Pfizer goes, they have a long unethical history of bribery, obfuscation, poisoning, and have killed many people with their products.
Good background here (https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer), but probably the best example of how low these people are was their testing of a meningitis antibiotic on children in Nigeria without their consent that lead to the death of some of them, and a 15-year legal battle to reach a settlement for their families (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullahi_v._Pfizer,_Inc.).
I worked for a law firm in 2008 that represented Pfizer, and day after day read incredibly sad documents about people whose lives had been fucked forever because of them taking Pfizer’s arthritis drug Celebrex. Pfizer knew the drug had some serious side effects, but because they were making so much money off of it there was no way it was going to be taken off the market. It’s still being sold to this day.
Honestly, I really don’t understand why anyone would trust governments or pharmaceutical corporations at this point. They have shown time and time again that they don’t give a fuck about us and see us simply as a commodity.
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^ Hard to argue with that. Thanks for the insight.
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My Mom is getting it because of her job, who the fuck knows when I’ll get a chance.
There was a huge argument in my group chat because my friend is refusing to take it because a Pfizer scientist liked some racist tweets 3 years ago. IMO who gives a fuck as long as the vaccine works and side effects are minimal.
When keeping it real goes wrong
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
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I won't have a choice, healthcare worker means I either get it or lose the job, plus I don't think "but I smoke weed and you can't catch covid cos of science and ting" is gonna swim with my employers.
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Yeah I’d like to but after they’ve got all the kinks out of the initial treatment.
No it’s not some antivaxxer bs just if they’re rushing everyone to get it I’m not buying it’s effectiveness.
I have been in medical studies and I’ve had extreme issues with side effects and having been on antiviral drugs for Hep C they’ve given me exema and restless leg syndrome.
Plus anyone else remember the fact they’ve purposefully done horrible things in the name of medical science to others?
What, like curing your hepatitis?
That’s fair, honestly. I’m a science dork and even though I know the only probable consequences of these vaccines are allergic reactions and pain at the injection site, I’m still more than happy to let the people who think they deserve it first guinea pig it for the rest of us. That said, I’ll still get the vaccine if and when my time comes.
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I wish I had y’alls faith in the government and pharmaceutical companies looking out for our best interests, but based on their prior behavior that doesn’t seem very likely.
Here’s a couple examples:
During prohibition, the US government purposefully poisoned bootleg alcohol and killed over 10,000 people (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison).
From 1932-72, the US Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control conducted the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American Males (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study). The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis; the African-American men who participated in the study were told that they were receiving free health care from the federal government of the United States, but were deceived by the Public Health Service, who never informed subjects of their diagnosis and disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment. The study was supposed to last six months, but they extended it to 40 years, and the only reason it was terminated was because someone leaked it to the press.
There’s a ton of this shit that has been done throughout the years.
Long history here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States)
“The experiments include the exposure of humans to many chemical and biological weapons (including infection with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injection of toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners.”
As far as Pfizer goes, they have a long unethical history of bribery, obfuscation, poisoning, and have killed many people with their products.
Good background here (https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer), but probably the best example of how low these people are was their testing of a meningitis antibiotic on children in Nigeria without their consent that lead to the death of some of them, and a 15-year legal battle to reach a settlement for their families (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullahi_v._Pfizer,_Inc.).
I worked for a law firm in 2008 that represented Pfizer, and day after day read incredibly sad documents about people whose lives had been fucked forever because of them taking Pfizer’s arthritis drug Celebrex. Pfizer knew the drug had some serious side effects, but because they were making so much money off of it there was no way it was going to be taken off the market. It’s still being sold to this day.
Honestly, I really don’t understand why anyone would trust governments or pharmaceutical corporations at this point. They have shown time and time again that they don’t give a fuck about us and see us simply as a commodity.
This right here is a good example of what I was saying beforehand, I don't trust our government.
Check it out when all this is said and done this treatment is going to be on one of those infomercials.
Did you grow a extra testicle out your forehead because of the initial coronavirus vaccine?! Did you suddenly grow a beard and have etc extra side effect because of the vaccine?
Call this number...... 1-888-YOUR-FUCKED.
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While I find the ethical issues surrounding capitalism’s role in western medicine interesting, I can’t help but feel that some people ignore more obvious threats to public health in favor of the sexier ‘evil medicine’ conversation.
For example Americans get wrecked from heart disease and diabetes. McDonald’s has proven to be more genocidal than big pharma but that doesn’t stop people from buying McRibs lol.
I think government mandated vaccines is a no-no considering how divided the country is. It might be easier for corporate employers to require it to work in their facilities. Buy in from Wal-mart, UPS, Starbucks etc would make a huge difference.
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
Someone mentioned earlier that the current Covid vaccinations out do not stop the spread. I do believe I have heard that right from the manufactures as well.. So after recieving it you can still endanger others? I guess I dont understand that being a point of taking it then.. I'm not trying to be a smartass, I feel like I am missing something.
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It’s my understanding the Pfizer vaccine does not stop transmission but it does lessen the sickness. Therefore the Pfizer vaccine will not stop the spread.
It's only the Pfizer vaccine that doesn't stop the spread, apparently. And tbh, that's still massive, especially for healthcare workers and every other vulnerable group.
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
I believe the message is the vaccine protects you from becoming sick, however, the virus can still get in your body, replicate, and potentially be passed on to others before your body recognizes the virus’ antigen markers and beats that ass.
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Yeah I’d like to but after they’ve got all the kinks out of the initial treatment.
No it’s not some antivaxxer bs just if they’re rushing everyone to get it I’m not buying it’s effectiveness.
I have been in medical studies and I’ve had extreme issues with side effects and having been on antiviral drugs for Hep C they’ve given me exema and restless leg syndrome.
Plus anyone else remember the fact they’ve purposefully done horrible things in the name of medical science to others?
What, like curing your hepatitis?
That’s fair, honestly. I’m a science dork and even though I know the only probable consequences of these vaccines are allergic reactions and pain at the injection site, I’m still more than happy to let the people who think they deserve it first guinea pig it for the rest of us. That said, I’ll still get the vaccine if and when my time comes.
I am a nerd as well I learned from others in certain circles about treatments such as HIV and Hep C, as far as the older treatments it was like chemotherapy for liver and it made you feel like shit for the entire treatment process. Sometimes you'd be lucky to survive the treament and the lengthy process. Grosso mentioned it one time a long time ago he got the older meds of interferon and ribavirin it's a skin tag shot and some pills. It would take a year long to complete the process if your liver could hold out, now they've got these meds that take 3 months and it's just one pill a day. Don't get me started on the cost of these meds $28,834.85 for each month and that was for 6 months on top of the ribaviran was $238 as well one to has to go to Mexico or India to get cheaper meds.
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I'm kind of mad that the biggest retards are too scared to post here, so my plan with insta-ignore did not work. Then again, maybe polio got them.
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if it means i can travel again ill take my chances on the vaccine. wont be first in line to get it but maybe in 2022 i might need to or even next winter
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
I know you aren't pointing at all skeptics but some of us are looking towards the health professionals and scientists for the safety of it and they are incapable of providing the long term data that some of us want to see. Even if the drug passes all the phases in a typical amount of time, the FDA has been wrong enough times to warrant some early skepticism.
I personally would be bet money that the vaccine is fine but I just wouldn't bet my body on it.
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
I know you aren't pointing at all skeptics but some of us are looking towards the health professionals and scientists for the safety of it and they are incapable of providing the long term data that some of us want to see. Even if the drug passes all the phases in a typical amount of time, the FDA has been wrong enough times to warrant some early skepticism.
I personally would be bet money that the vaccine is fine but I just wouldn't bet my body on it.
At first glance, the vaccine appears to consist of mRNA, some preservatives, sugar, salts, and water. What are your concerns about long-term effects? Sincere question, if my tone is ambiguous.
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I was actually amazed that it wasn't like the other vaccines that we're familiar with that contains a weakened version of the virus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
I know you aren't pointing at all skeptics but some of us are looking towards the health professionals and scientists for the safety of it and they are incapable of providing the long term data that some of us want to see. Even if the drug passes all the phases in a typical amount of time, the FDA has been wrong enough times to warrant some early skepticism.
I personally would be bet money that the vaccine is fine but I just wouldn't bet my body on it.
At first glance, the vaccine appears to consist of mRNA, some preservatives, sugar, salts, and water. What are your concerns about long-term effects? Sincere question, if my tone is ambiguous.
I'm concerned of it provoking some sort of response that isn't noticeable immediately. I have to give this vague answer because we don't know and don't have the data to know what can be wrong. I have learned some history and applications of rna being used in defense of viruses that I learned in biochemistry and genetics classes but I'm sure those models we studied are simplified.
I'm shocked that people have a difficult time understanding those that hold reservations of a new vaccine.
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Getting my first dose next week.
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I know you aren't pointing at all skeptics but some of us are looking towards the health professionals and scientists for the safety of it and they are incapable of providing the long term data that some of us want to see. Even if the drug passes all the phases in a typical amount of time, the FDA has been wrong enough times to warrant some early skepticism.
I personally would be bet money that the vaccine is fine but I just wouldn't bet my body on it.
That's fair.
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I know you aren't pointing at all skeptics but some of us are looking towards the health professionals and scientists for the safety of it and they are incapable of providing the long term data that some of us want to see. Even if the drug passes all the phases in a typical amount of time, the FDA has been wrong enough times to warrant some early skepticism.
I personally would be bet money that the vaccine is fine but I just wouldn't bet my body on it.
This is it for me as well. I personally won't be betting my body on something not proven, and "I got it and am fine" isn't going to cut it. The FDA has not even approved this as of yet, if they are the experts. I am also 100% against mandatory or forced anything. No one should be in charge of anyone else's body. It's fucked to say otherwise and you would agree if it was something you didn't agree with that was being pushed, you just happen to agree this time. As for the immuno compromised, no one should be speaking for them. I have 3 people in my life who are, and spoiler alert, none of them are pro mandatory to "save" them.
Sorry if this bums you out pals.
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Seen too many people get absolutely rocked by covid to not get it. I miss taking trips for leisure and I miss my friends in other states. Of course I’m going to take it, hoping the va hooks me and my family up.
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I'm concerned of it provoking some sort of response that isn't noticeable immediately. I have to give this vague answer because we don't know and don't have the data to know what can be wrong. I have learned some history and applications of rna being used in defense of viruses that I learned in biochemistry and genetics classes but I'm sure those models we studied are simplified.
I'm shocked that people have a difficult time understanding those that hold reservations of a new vaccine.
I'm shocked by the vast number of people who I've witnessed purchase weed from a dude in a bathroom, now debating the reliability of vaccination and whether or not it could provoke an unknown immune response in the body.
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I'm concerned of it provoking some sort of response that isn't noticeable immediately. I have to give this vague answer because we don't know and don't have the data to know what can be wrong. I have learned some history and applications of rna being used in defense of viruses that I learned in biochemistry and genetics classes but I'm sure those models we studied are simplified.
I'm shocked that people have a difficult time understanding those that hold reservations of a new vaccine.
I'm shocked by the vast number of people who I've witnessed purchase weed from a dude in a bathroom, now debating the reliability of vaccination and whether or not it could provoke an unknown immune response in the body.
God you're so right.
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I'm shocked that people have a difficult time understanding those that hold reservations of a new vaccine.
I'm struggling with it because I can't imagine that people are arguing it from a point of reason. Has the person done any research into the process behind this vaccine compared to others? Have they taken other vaccines before or given them to their kids, and if so did they do research on how long they were on the market or what testing they went through first? Do they buy synthetic drugs from strangers in nightclubs? Just about everyone refusing the vaccine is going to have taken some past actions that contradict their own reasoning. The knee-jerk response of being worried about putting something like that in your body is totally natural, but you shouldn't make your mind up to not to get it without thinking past that reaction.
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I've bought ecstacy from sketchy ppl at raves before (my eyelids swelled up real bad the next morning once).
I'm gonna take the vaccine.
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All I'm saying with my skepticism is I'm not opposed to taking the vaccine if pressed and evidence that it's not going to compromise my immune system.
However if there's a later version that actually prevents and stop's the spread as well me not causing superspreader and infecting other's then by all means let's go.
With our government's historical fuckups towards minorities and other desperate people where they've just shrugged their shoulders like who cares like they usually do I'm not going to do it.
I'd rather wait tbh not like I'm going anywhere soon.
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I’ll probably treat this like I do a middle aged iphone asking for the latest software update (countless times hitting remind me later until I finally cave).
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While the topic of this thread isn't oxycontin or addiction, oxycontin is widely available throughout the rest of the world, including Europe. What's similar however, is that Pharmaceutical companies do work to reap profits, regardless of consumer safety. Again, you may see these as unrelated, there are many however, who due to lived experience, do not.
Again, I'm not speaking for antivaxxers- I believe that vaccines have greatly and undoubtedly improved the quality of life throughout the world. When systems continually ignore the will of people, keep breaking people down, and ruining any sense of trust, it's no wonder they're more than skeptical and mistrustful of what they're being told to do. If we understand and honor that by actually engaging in conversation, rather than denouncing any skepticism as being in line with the antivaxx Q patrol, more productive results could be reached rather than a bunch of finger pointing.
Yes, big pharma is out for profit, this is common knowledge. But vaccines are endorsed by governments in countries where health care isn't a capitalist free for all, health workers and health organizations, unlike oxy. Plus, most people in the world have already been vaccinated for something before, without side effects. So this is why I find it confusing that someone doesn't want to be vaccinated because of the oxy pandemic.
Obviously it's possible that I have missed it, but is this really a reason people are giving for being skeptical of a vaccine? The reasoning is totally off - not wanting to buy product A manufactured by X because of something that happened with product B manufactured by Y. Do these people not take any meds at all? No aspirin? No antibiotics?
Like I said, I understand being skeptical, and no one is finger pointing at those people. But if skeptics are looking to antivaxxers for information rather than actual health organizations or other experts, then they will most likely end up as antivaxxers, or were antivaxxers all along. And at that point I don't care about someone's lived experience if they're going down the conspiracy theory path and endangering other by not getting vaccinated.
I know you aren't pointing at all skeptics but some of us are looking towards the health professionals and scientists for the safety of it and they are incapable of providing the long term data that some of us want to see. Even if the drug passes all the phases in a typical amount of time, the FDA has been wrong enough times to warrant some early skepticism.
I personally would be bet money that the vaccine is fine but I just wouldn't bet my body on it.
At first glance, the vaccine appears to consist of mRNA, some preservatives, sugar, salts, and water. What are your concerns about long-term effects? Sincere question, if my tone is ambiguous.
I'm concerned of it provoking some sort of response that isn't noticeable immediately. I have to give this vague answer because we don't know and don't have the data to know what can be wrong. I have learned some history and applications of rna being used in defense of viruses that I learned in biochemistry and genetics classes but I'm sure those models we studied are simplified.
I'm shocked that people have a difficult time understanding those that hold reservations of a new vaccine.
Thank you for helping me try to understand perspectives that are not my own. Discomfort caused by the unknown is relatable. I do not share your concerns, but I appreciate that you took the time to reply.
Why do I always feel like I’m coming off sarcastic when I’m trying to be polite?
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i'll get vaccinated for sure. gonna probably take a few months til it's my turn though according to our national vaccination plan. in fact i'm pretty sure for my work it's mandatory, or i gotta look for a new job.
i don't like getting mystery vaccine, but this is different. unless me or my elderly parents are vaccinated there'll be no visits. both have severe heart issues and i'm not taking any chances. if they deny the vaccine, then i have to get vaccinated to keep them safe.
i am concerned about side effects from the vaccine, but not as much as i'm afraid of some neurological problems covid can cause.
yall have to consider that vaccines are useless in rotting out an illness if not enough people get vaccinated. sure, the individuals are safe, but a concerted effort to kill of an infection, at least for some time, needs enough people vaccinated in relation to how fast the virus spreads. with covid i heard about 60-70% percent of any group have to be vaccinated at least so the virus has not enough hosts to reproduce and spread farther and basically dies out, with covid this is gonna be probably only temporary, too. i agree though that making it mandatory for everyone would be wrong.
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I propably can't get it before fall anyways, so possible side effects should propably be sorted by then. I'm not anti vac in any way, but obviously these vaccines have been developed with great haste possibly by cutting some corners, so I understand if some people are sceptical about taking it.
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I just recently found out that Phase 3 medical trials - the phase prior to approval - usually consist of testing the vaccine on around 3000 patients. The Pfizer Biontech one was tested on over 20000 patients. The large sample size is to ensure safety, which is normal practice and has been used in trials when meds were intended for vulnerable groups, for example infants.
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20,000 subjects being entered into a randomized control trial is a massive amount of people in the scheme of medical testing.
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I just recently found out that Phase 3 medical trials - the phase prior to usually consist of testing the vaccine on around 3000 patients. The Pfizer Biontech one was tested on over 20000 patients. The large sample size is to ensure safety, which is normal practice and has been used in trials when meds were intended for vulnerable groups, for example infants.
thanks for posting that. do you have a source? it would be cool to be able to share with others. thanks
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I just recently found out that Phase 3 medical trials - the phase prior to usually consist of testing the vaccine on around 3000 patients. The Pfizer Biontech one was tested on over 20000 patients. The large sample size is to ensure safety, which is normal practice and has been used in trials when meds were intended for vulnerable groups, for example infants.
thanks for posting that. do you have a source? it would be cool to be able to share with others. thanks
"In the prelicensure studies, it is recommended to enroll approximately 3000 subjects.[3] However, where Phase III studies are designed with safety as the primary end point, huge sample sizes are seen, e.g., >37000 subjects were enrolled in a 7-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine study,[45] while for Rotarix™[46] and RotaTeq™[47] ~63,000 and ~70,000 infant subjects, respectively, were assessed to detect the risk of intussusception.
If the phase III results demonstrate efficacy and safety, the manufacturer of the vaccine can submit an application to the national regulatory authority to license and market the product."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4944327/
Pfizer's trial involved +40000 patients, but around half were given a placebo, iirc.
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I wish I had y’alls faith in the government and pharmaceutical companies looking out for our best interests, but based on their prior behavior that doesn’t seem very likely.
Here’s a couple examples:
During prohibition, the US government purposefully poisoned bootleg alcohol and killed over 10,000 people (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison).
From 1932-72, the US Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control conducted the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American Males (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study). The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis; the African-American men who participated in the study were told that they were receiving free health care from the federal government of the United States, but were deceived by the Public Health Service, who never informed subjects of their diagnosis and disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment. The study was supposed to last six months, but they extended it to 40 years, and the only reason it was terminated was because someone leaked it to the press.
There’s a ton of this shit that has been done throughout the years.
Long history here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States)
“The experiments include the exposure of humans to many chemical and biological weapons (including infection with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injection of toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners.”
As far as Pfizer goes, they have a long unethical history of bribery, obfuscation, poisoning, and have killed many people with their products.
Good background here (https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer), but probably the best example of how low these people are was their testing of a meningitis antibiotic on children in Nigeria without their consent that lead to the death of some of them, and a 15-year legal battle to reach a settlement for their families (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullahi_v._Pfizer,_Inc.).
I worked for a law firm in 2008 that represented Pfizer, and day after day read incredibly sad documents about people whose lives had been fucked forever because of them taking Pfizer’s arthritis drug Celebrex. Pfizer knew the drug had some serious side effects, but because they were making so much money off of it there was no way it was going to be taken off the market. It’s still being sold to this day.
Honestly, I really don’t understand why anyone would trust governments or pharmaceutical corporations at this point. They have shown time and time again that they don’t give a fuck about us and see us simply as a commodity.
Ok so how are these scenarios related to the vaccine other than medicine has been bad/sketchy before so they bad now. This isn’t an argument you’re making. You’re cherry picking scenarios unrelated to the development of this specific vaccine, Maybe this an example of an apples to oranges argument
I forget the name for the fallacy, but you’re mentioning a lot of other shit as evidence for being skeptical of this specific case.
Your posts are painful to read
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Yes pharmaceutical companies have done some terrible things. Governments too. Still, I don‘t think they‘d be able to afford being wrong in this case. There is so much at stake: public health, but more importantly (for governments and most larger corporations) political stability and economic growth.
I am a bit skeptical about side effects (almost all medicine has side effects), but I will take it once it is made available to me.
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From the CDC site. I would like to know more about the "unable to perform daily activities" ect. before making my decision. Interesting math though.
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Be interesting to see how they enforce vaccine if mandatory because so many people out there against it. In my city, any healthcare type job you have to provide proof of immunizations for mumps, measles, & rubella before getting hired. Think in the near future, covid vaccine be added to the list & non healthcare jobs will also require proof of covid vaccine too. Predict huge problems for forcing existing employees to get vaccine unless a new law is passed. Hard to imagine your employer giving you an ultimatum of getting the shot or be fired. New hires would be so easy to enforce to get vaccine.
i'm wondering if there is any other conversation regarding people's choices about their own bodies, where most of us who post in SLAP regularly, would find these kinds of terms acceptable? although i know there are some significant differences between these situations, perhaps inevitably the abortion conversation came to mind--from the Amnesty International site:
"Being able to make our own decisions about our health, body and sexual life is a basic human right.
Whoever you are, wherever you live, you have the right to make these choices without fear, violence or discrimination.
Yet all over the world, people are bullied, discriminated against and arrested, [refused employment?] simply for making choices about their bodies and their lives..."
if the conversation could remain civil, it would be interesting to think about why this "basic human right" wouldn't apply to every situation, including COVID and the vaccines. i know that the conversation is different when we're talking about something that is potentially harmful to others--and not just ourselves--but a "human right" is a "human right," isn't it? and if/when circumstances do come about that require us to rethink/deny any "basic human right," it should not be done hastily or lightly.
i'm torn on the vaccine and i'm glad i will not be one of the people to get priority right away anyways--like others, i'm going to wait. i teach at the university level, and have been fortunate to teach "remotely" and continue to work this whole time...i understand this is not the case for many people. i'm not taking any of the sides here, because i am fortunate and i am not on the front-line or a first-responder or anything like that.
and i say all of this after losing my mother to COVID in late October--i had a mild/moderate bout with it myself while she was fighting for her life in the hospital (in isolation)...i had to have two of the classes i was teaching reassigned to another instructor, all while trying to talk to the hospital and make decisions regarding my mother...seriously the hardest three weeks of my life. i caught it while taking care of her the first few days she had it, before we had to call 911 a few days in...so i do not take any of this lightly, but i also do not get vaccines either, and since i have a bit of freedom to do so, i will wait.
by the way, my mom was 77 and had diabetes, so we knew early on when we got her positive test results that she did not have a good chance, but i still can not believe what that vicious fucking virus did to her in under two weeks--seriously y'all, watch out for all of the especially vulnerable people in your lives, they can not be cautious enough...
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Be interesting to see how they enforce vaccine if mandatory because so many people out there against it. In my city, any healthcare type job you have to provide proof of immunizations for mumps, measles, & rubella before getting hired. Think in the near future, covid vaccine be added to the list & non healthcare jobs will also require proof of covid vaccine too. Predict huge problems for forcing existing employees to get vaccine unless a new law is passed. Hard to imagine your employer giving you an ultimatum of getting the shot or be fired. New hires would be so easy to enforce to get vaccine.
i'm wondering if there is any other conversation regarding people's choices about their own bodies, where most of us who post in SLAP regularly, would find these kinds of terms acceptable? although i know there are some significant differences between these situations, perhaps inevitably the abortion conversation came to mind--from the Amnesty International site:
"Being able to make our own decisions about our health, body and sexual life is a basic human right.
Whoever you are, wherever you live, you have the right to make these choices without fear, violence or discrimination.
Yet all over the world, people are bullied, discriminated against and arrested, [refused employment?] simply for making choices about their bodies and their lives..."
if the conversation could remain civil, it would be interesting to think about why this "basic human right" wouldn't apply to every situation, including COVID and the vaccines. i know that the conversation is different when we're talking about something that is potentially harmful to others--and not just ourselves--but a "human right" is a "human right," isn't it? and if/when circumstances do come about that require us to rethink/deny any "basic human right," it should not be done hastily or lightly.
i'm torn on the vaccine and i'm glad i will not be one of the people to get priority right away anyways--like others, i'm going to wait. i teach at the university level, and have been fortunate to teach "remotely" and continue to work this whole time...i understand this is not the case for many people. i'm not taking any of the sides here, because i am fortunate and i am not on the front-line or a first-responder or anything like that.
and i say all of this after losing my mother to COVID in late October--i had a mild/moderate bout with it myself while she was fighting for her life in the hospital (in isolation)...i had to have two of the classes i was teaching reassigned to another instructor, all while trying to talk to the hospital and make decisions regarding my mother...seriously the hardest three weeks of my life. i caught it while taking care of her the first few days she had it, before we had to call 911 a few days in...so i do not take any of this lightly, but i also do not get vaccines either, and since i have a bit of freedom to do so, i will wait.
by the way, my mom was 77 and had diabetes, so we knew early on when we got her positive test results that she did not have a good chance, but i still can not believe what that vicious fucking virus did to her in under two weeks--seriously y'all, watch out for all of the especially vulnerable people in your lives, they can not be cautious enough...
You are very well spoken individual man, very sorry about your mother.
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Be interesting to see how they enforce vaccine if mandatory because so many people out there against it. In my city, any healthcare type job you have to provide proof of immunizations for mumps, measles, & rubella before getting hired. Think in the near future, covid vaccine be added to the list & non healthcare jobs will also require proof of covid vaccine too. Predict huge problems for forcing existing employees to get vaccine unless a new law is passed. Hard to imagine your employer giving you an ultimatum of getting the shot or be fired. New hires would be so easy to enforce to get vaccine.
i'm wondering if there is any other conversation regarding people's choices about their own bodies, where most of us who post in SLAP regularly, would find these kinds of terms acceptable? although i know there are some significant differences between these situations, perhaps inevitably the abortion conversation came to mind--from the Amnesty International site:
"Being able to make our own decisions about our health, body and sexual life is a basic human right.
Whoever you are, wherever you live, you have the right to make these choices without fear, violence or discrimination.
Yet all over the world, people are bullied, discriminated against and arrested, [refused employment?] simply for making choices about their bodies and their lives..."
if the conversation could remain civil, it would be interesting to think about why this "basic human right" wouldn't apply to every situation, including COVID and the vaccines. i know that the conversation is different when we're talking about something that is potentially harmful to others--and not just ourselves--but a "human right" is a "human right," isn't it? and if/when circumstances do come about that require us to rethink/deny any "basic human right," it should not be done hastily or lightly.
i'm torn on the vaccine and i'm glad i will not be one of the people to get priority right away anyways--like others, i'm going to wait. i teach at the university level, and have been fortunate to teach "remotely" and continue to work this whole time...i understand this is not the case for many people. i'm not taking any of the sides here, because i am fortunate and i am not on the front-line or a first-responder or anything like that.
and i say all of this after losing my mother to COVID in late October--i had a mild/moderate bout with it myself while she was fighting for her life in the hospital (in isolation)...i had to have two of the classes i was teaching reassigned to another instructor, all while trying to talk to the hospital and make decisions regarding my mother...seriously the hardest three weeks of my life. i caught it while taking care of her the first few days she had it, before we had to call 911 a few days in...so i do not take any of this lightly, but i also do not get vaccines either, and since i have a bit of freedom to do so, i will wait.
by the way, my mom was 77 and had diabetes, so we knew early on when we got her positive test results that she did not have a good chance, but i still can not believe what that vicious fucking virus did to her in under two weeks--seriously y'all, watch out for all of the especially vulnerable people in your lives, they can not be cautious enough...
and get yourselves vaccinated
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but a "human right" is a "human right," isn't it?
Is there an accepted definition of human rights that allows you to potentially kill other people? Also, instead of bringing abortion into this (not even in the same ballpark), maybe look at more closely related examples. For example, knowingly spreading HIV is a criminal offense in many countries and no one is talking about "my body, my choice" in those cases.
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but a "human right" is a "human right," isn't it?
Is there an accepted definition of human rights that allows you to potentially kill other people? Also, instead of bringing abortion into this (not even in the same ballpark), maybe look at more closely related examples. For example, knowingly spreading HIV is a criminal offense in many countries and no one is talking about "my body, my choice" in those cases.
Self defense?
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working in healthcare i got the first shot of the Pfizer vaccine last week, didnt feel any side affects apart from a mild pain where i got the shot a day later.
i would highly suggest getting vaccinated and im pretty frustrated with the opinions my friends hold, most people who are opposed to getting vaccinated in my friend circles are ignorant and have no idea how vaccines or science in general work, to them everything is a big conspiracy and nothing is as it seems. people have hard time believing anything right now and i dont blame them, without a pretty solid background in biology or medicine its hard to know whats bullshit and whats real. idiots are louder than doctors.
some of those conspiracies are crazy, a friend actually argued with me that masks increase your chance of contracting covid by a 1300% (!!!!) because "youre breathing air through a dirty filter'. i told him i go into a covid ward and handle patients regularly and never got sick because i keep precautions like a mask and eye protection and sent him actual research about masks by legit medical practitioners to which he replied 'well, you never got sick because the whole thing is a hoax".
skeptics should get guided tours through corona wards. covid is a bitch and if it gets you hard youre fucked. ive had 40ish yo patients that had to get rehabilitated just to start walking again after 2 months in a hospital bed, 23 yo girl who lost her baby in the 6th month of her pregnancy, people dying and people losing independency because of it.
for most people its not a big problem, but please get vaccinated, its not just for you, its for the people around you.
and about "free choice".... if you want to live in a society you have to comply to some rules. theres a reason why we dont have TB, Polio and hepatitis anymore
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but a "human right" is a "human right," isn't it?
Is there an accepted definition of human rights that allows you to potentially kill other people? Also, instead of bringing abortion into this (not even in the same ballpark), maybe look at more closely related examples. For example, knowingly spreading HIV is a criminal offense in many countries and no one is talking about "my body, my choice" in those cases.
Self defense?
Although you might not go to prison for self defense, from what I understand it is not considered a human right, at least not by human rights organizations.
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idiots are louder than doctors.
And the internet gave them a perfect soapbox to stand on and network with their fellow idiots.
I'm sorry your friends suck at this. Stay safe out there. It's so frustrating because these morons can't understand that we can't go back to any semblance of normalcy without everyone wising up and learning to ignore youtube "experts". All they are getting is misled for profit. Just for some fucking views on their YT and clicks on a website. Capitalism still finding new and fucked up ways to kill us.
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Thank you, Eranka.
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
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I'd like to think that people would take it, generally speaking, but they're skeptical.
At this point you can't blame your common person for being skeptical - at least I can't. The rules, regulations, and restrictions vary by country, state, region, etc... all the way down to what some random grocery store thinks is best. I can't say for a fact but I'd bet you that people living in countries where the government explained things well, kept people informed, and implemented appropriate standards are less skeptical in taking the vaccine.
People want doctor's and professionals to stand behind it, take it before they do, and make sure it's safe. If the consensus is 100k people have taken it then I think given the global shit show everyone wants to hear how those people felt afterwards. And who were those people? If they felt like shit, in what way?
So if people would take it if they felt safe about it, would you not say it's the country's governments responsibility to make people feel safe about it? I mean, sure, in a lot of places they could force people to take it without giving any explanation but whatever political party - if it's a country where that matters - would definitely lose trust.
Going from one lockdown to the next, these restrictions to those restrictions, and saying they'll last one week then it lasts 9 months.... I'm just saying I can see how it's created skeptics that weren't/aren't in the anti vaxxer group. A lot of people view politicians as professional liars anyway so, yeah, distrust was already there from the beginning.
Vaccines are all death and destruction - they've eradicated diseases like polio, tetanus, rubella, etc... and one being created for Covid-19 so quickly will be good in the end. Hopefully be better prepared for it next time around.
Sure, there will most likely be restrictions that sort of "mandate" people to get it which, imho, is better than outright forcing people to do so in a way. Not sure if it's true, but I even read about some countries thinking that they'd pay people to get it. I bet a lot of people being vocal about not getting it would suddenly go quiet if they got paid X amount to receive it.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents live on a skateboard forum.
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I'd like to think that people would take it, generally speaking, but they're skeptical.
At this point you can't blame your common person for being skeptical - at least I can't. The rules, regulations, and restrictions vary by country, state, region, etc... all the way down to what some random grocery store thinks is best. I can't say for a fact but I'd bet you that people living in countries where the government explained things well, kept people informed, and implemented appropriate standards are less skeptical in taking the vaccine.
People want doctor's and professionals to stand behind it, take it before they do, and make sure it's safe. If the consensus is 100k people have taken it then I think given the global shit show everyone wants to hear how those people felt afterwards. And who were those people? If they felt like shit, in what way?
So if people would take it if they felt safe about it, would you not say it's the country's governments responsibility to make people feel safe about it? I mean, sure, in a lot of places they could force people to take it without giving any explanation but whatever political party - if it's a country where that matters - would definitely lose trust.
Going from one lockdown to the next, these restrictions to those restrictions, and saying they'll last one week then it lasts 9 months.... I'm just saying I can see how it's created skeptics that weren't/aren't in the anti vaxxer group. A lot of people view politicians as professional liars anyway so, yeah, distrust was already there from the beginning.
Vaccines are all death and destruction - they've eradicated diseases like polio, tetanus, rubella, etc... and one being created for Covid-19 so quickly will be good in the end. Hopefully be better prepared for it next time around.
Sure, there will most likely be restrictions that sort of "mandate" people to get it which, imho, is better than outright forcing people to do so in a way. Not sure if it's true, but I even read about some countries thinking that they'd pay people to get it. I bet a lot of people being vocal about not getting it would suddenly go quiet if they got paid X amount to receive it.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents live on a skateboard forum.
Yes, it‘s ok to be sceptical, but i think if i have no clue about something i‘d rather listen to an expert/ official sorces on that field than whatsappLinks and youtube channels.
In the 18th hundred people got paid to get vaccinated.
Also countries who have been hit really hard have a higher acceptance. For example 80% of the italians are willing to get the shot, Also they run a really great ad campaign for it. (Although it gives me a black mirror vibe)
https://youtu.be/KtwDgx-L0so (https://youtu.be/KtwDgx-L0so)
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
I could not get past the “I’m all for mandatory vaccinations” part. Who in the sweet fuck has the right to tell another human being what to with their body? That attitude is almost as scary as this virus. I started this thread in hopes of getting an “education” from somewhat like-minded people, I definitely could never see things like you do.. and I am thankful for that.
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Well many countries have and had mandatory vac. Its a big part in history that brought us to where we are now.
Therefore im pro mandatory vac. Im sure its not gonna happen, but imho i think it wouldn‘t be a bad thing.
The problem is people who don‘t get the shot becaus they don’t want to do exactly that: they rule over the body and health of people who would get vac but simply Cant.
If its this or living with the pandemic and masks for many more years...
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Well many countries have and had mandatory vac. Its a big part in history that brought us to where we are now.
Therefore im pro mandatory vac. Im sure its not gonna happen, but imho i think it wouldn‘t be a bad thing.
The problem is people who don‘t get the shot becaus they don’t want to do exactly that: the rule over the body and health of people who would get vac but simply Cant.
If its this or living with the pandemic and masks for many more years...
I think the vaccines that are now mandatory have had quite different timelines though. For instance, in Italy, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis B, haemophilus influenzae B, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and chickenpox are all mandatory vaccinations. I guess I don't have to say Italy, I think those are the mandatory ones in most places and for good reason. At this point there's tons of data for those as well which show it's a small individual risk for the betterment of the whole population.
But mandatory is quite different than forced. Like who remembers if they even have those vaccinations? You probably got them as a child or remember checking on them before traveling to a country that says you must have them. But odds are you have them because they're usually enforced in ways such as you wouldn't have been allowed to attend public school without them.
So, basically, if you don't have those vaccinations you'll be denied access to many things that quasi force you into isolating yourself from the general population. With those it's a little different than covid-19 - everyone's keeping a close eye on it.
I'm not anti-vaccine's but the idea of someone showing up at my door, holding me down, and forcing anything into me with a needle is pretty grim. I don't think that's how it would happen, probably more like you get fined until you get it or something like that. And even more likely that you just can't go anywhere without showing a vaccine certificate. I just think those are better alternatives than literally forcing people.
If I get it and then it allows me to travel freely again but some people are more comfortable staying isolated in their flat for 6 more months eating delivery then, hey, I'd say whatever floats your boat. Ultimately it's up to the government of wherever you live but I like the idea of at least having the illusion of personal choice.
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But mandatory is quite different than forced. Like who remembers if they even have those vaccinations? You probably got them as a child or remember checking on them before traveling to a country that says you must have them. But odds are you have them because they're usually enforced in ways such as you wouldn't have been allowed to attend public school without them.
Thats what i mean. As you said nobody will force a needle in your arm, but you might as well get fined over and over again or you can‘t go to school, work, you name it.
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But mandatory is quite different than forced. Like who remembers if they even have those vaccinations? You probably got them as a child or remember checking on them before traveling to a country that says you must have them. But odds are you have them because they're usually enforced in ways such as you wouldn't have been allowed to attend public school without them.
Thats what i mean. As you said nobody will force a needle in your arm, but you might as well get fined over and over again or you can‘t go to school, work, you name it.
Eh, I don't think from an economical point of view that fining people for not getting it is the best take but I feel like I did read that somewhere.
On the not going to work or school bit, it'll be interesting to see how that evolves. Let's say there's an amazing employee who's been working from home during all of this. The vaccine comes out and the employer says, "we expect everyone to get this and come back to the office". Said employee says they plan to wait it out and want to continue working remotely for the next 6 months. Will the employer fire them or allow it? Sort of a strange situation to imagine.
I also think there will be plenty of people who want to stay remote and ask from remote contracts once things go back to "normal". So sort of a side note, but it'll be interesting to see how remote working culture evolves from this.
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My girlfriend is getting it soon since she works in health care. Not sure when I'll be able to, technically I'm a essential worker (dock work, moving supplies).
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I propably can't get it before fall anyways, so possible side effects should propably be sorted by then. I'm not anti vac in any way, but obviously these vaccines have been developed with great haste possibly by cutting some corners, so I understand if some people are sceptical about taking it.
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
The right to do what you want with your body ends when it can endanger others
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
The right to do what you want with your body ends when it can endanger others
Ultimately you can say that but it's not you or I deciding what exactly constitutes this. So I think it's more a question of people trusting their government.
You could say that China's one-child policy did just that - took away people's right to do what they wanted with their body because they viewed it as endangering others (their population). Plenty of other countries have family planning policies for human population planning as well. But China took it to what most would call an extreme, allowing provincial governments to require the use of contraception, abortion, and sterilization to ensure compliance, and imposed enormous fines for violations. China also had people lining up to get a vaccine before it was fully vetted.
Some countries have began monitoring the spread of coronavirus by tracking people's mobile phone location data, using facial recognition and thermal scanners - India and Russia for example. This could potentially be a powerful method to trace the spread of the virus, as well as the movements of people who have the disease. In the future, the method can also be used to track terrorists on the move, or even normal people if the authorities want to. For whatever laws would get passed to help curtail the spread, they'll likely be here to stay.
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
The right to do what you want with your body ends when it can endanger others
Ultimately you can say that but it's not you or I deciding what exactly constitutes this (unless we're getting to vote on it, in which case read the fine print). So I think it's more a question of people trusting their government.
You could say that China's one-child policy did just that - took away people's right to do what they wanted with their body because they viewed it as endangering others (their population). Plenty of other countries have family planning policies for human population planning as well. But China took it to what most would call an extreme, allowing provincial governments to require the use of contraception, abortion, and sterilization to ensure compliance, and imposed enormous fines for violations. China also had people lining up to get a vaccine before it was fully vetted.
Some countries have began monitoring the spread of coronavirus by tracking people's mobile phone location data, using facial recognition and thermal scanners - India and Russia for example. This could potentially be a powerful method to trace the spread of the virus, as well as the movements of people who have the disease. In the future, the method can also be used to track terrorists on the move, or even normal people if the authorities want to. For whatever laws would get passed to help curtail the spread, they'll likely be here to stay.
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That's an entirely different argument though. You said (or implied) that mandatory vaccination is wrong purely because it restricts people's freedom to do what they want with their bodies. You could argue that those things you listed are wrong (and I would agree in those instances), but not on the same merit
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
The right to do what you want with your body ends when it can endanger others
let's say this pole of binary extremes is true--i'm curious what you think the practical use of this "truth" would be for actually dealing with the virus and the vaccine and the general population? in other words, sweet, what's the next step?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
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The people who say they won‘t get the shot will be the first in line if they can‘t go to springBreak, the bar, the movies, the club without it.
So although i‘m all for mandatory vac im sure the problem will at least solve itself if people without vac have to follow restricions.
We just forgot how terrible desease are.
You should have told people in the 1960ies not to get smallpox shot because you‘re afraid of the longterm issues....
Its ok to be scared of something you dont understand, yet least people understand how a plane works but still use it.
Also people say they are scared of longterm issues, yet the hold a smartphone to their brain for a few hours a day no questions asked (and NO i don‘t think smarphones are a health risk).
I don‘t know whats inside...! - eats at a dodgy fast food place the next day.
Pharma industry makes much more money from meds against chronical deseases and pain killers people take on a daily basis for decades if years. There is no cash in vaccination, financally pharma companies couldn‘t care less about making one.
Just get the shot so we can end this shit.
I‘m getting mine in late january, this is gonna be the best late christmas present.
The right to do what you want with your body ends when it can endanger others
Ultimately you can say that but it's not you or I deciding what exactly constitutes this. So I think it's more a question of people trusting their government.
You could say that China's one-child policy did just that - took away people's right to do what they wanted with their body because they viewed it as endangering others (their population). Plenty of other countries have family planning policies for human population planning as well. But China took it to what most would call an extreme, allowing provincial governments to require the use of contraception, abortion, and sterilization to ensure compliance, and imposed enormous fines for violations. China also had people lining up to get a vaccine before it was fully vetted.
Some countries have began monitoring the spread of coronavirus by tracking people's mobile phone location data, using facial recognition and thermal scanners - India and Russia for example. This could potentially be a powerful method to trace the spread of the virus, as well as the movements of people who have the disease. In the future, the method can also be used to track terrorists on the move, or even normal people if the authorities want to. For whatever laws would get passed to help curtail the spread, they'll likely be here to stay.
right...in fact, it's actually a matter of people trusting a kind of creepy, de facto amalgam between the government and corporations--pharmaceutical corporations at that
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
As statet before... extremly high fines, no travelling, no more job, home quarantine,if they break that prison... there is plenty of options.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
We were literally discussing the hypotheticals of mandatory vaccination. Why are you jumping in on a discussion that you haven't read properly?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
As statet before... extremly high fines, no travelling, no more job, home quarantine,if they break that prison... there is plenty of options.
so everything but "forced" vaccination?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
As statet before... extremly high fines, no travelling, no more job, home quarantine,if they break that prison... there is plenty of options.
so everything but "forced" vaccination?
I think the right discussion would be „how can we convince people to get vaccinated?“ not
„what will we do if the refuse?“
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
As statet before... extremly high fines, no travelling, no more job, home quarantine,if they break that prison... there is plenty of options.
so everything but "forced" vaccination?
I think the right discussion would be „how can we convince people to get vaccinated?“ not
„what will we do if the refuse?“
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
As statet before... extremly high fines, no travelling, no more job, home quarantine,if they break that prison... there is plenty of options.
so everything but "forced" vaccination?
I think the right discussion would be „how can we convince people to get vaccinated?“ not
„what will we do if the refuse?“
You know what, I'm sure widespread misinformation spread via the Internet, combined with how easy it is to bandy conspiracy theories around, combined with the rising yet baseless popularity of anti-vaxxing, combined with how the pandemic has been stressing us out, is making people believe that the vaccine is a method of control.
I've had people close to me watch 5G conspiracy theories and wonder if Bill Gates is trying to inject us with some weird liquid 5G to control us. It's fucked. I'm seeing a lot of satire and open ridicule of these theories but I don't think that's going to be efficient. Something has to be done to tilt public common sense in favour of science.
Also, I'm down to take the vaccine. Don't see an issue, don't believe that the government and pharmaceutical companies would be so cruel and inept as to indoctrinate the globe with something destructive.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
solid...simple enough, right? what about the portion of the population that--for whatever reason--does not want to get vaccinated?
As statet before... extremly high fines, no travelling, no more job, home quarantine,if they break that prison... there is plenty of options.
so everything but "forced" vaccination?
I think the right discussion would be „how can we convince people to get vaccinated?“ not
„what will we do if the refuse?“
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We've already seen that there is a UK variant of covid19.
Will we keep seeing variants of the virus since anti-vaxxers are willing hosts to farm further mutations of this virus?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
It really is though, well at least here in the US. I am not sure what country you live in.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
What about immunization for admission to public schools? That’s decided at the state level, with all states allowing exemptions for medical reasons, while 45 allow for religious exemptions, and only 16 states for philosophical exemptions. Furthermore, philosophical and religious exemptions have been repealed in some states due to the outbreaks of preventable diseases, like measles in New York and Washington state in 2019.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Correct I don't live in the US, tbf I forgot how relaxed your laws are regarding those kind of things. All drugs are completely legal, right? And abortion isn't outlawed anywhere in the country? You can drink from a pretty young age too IIRC.
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My check engine light came on in my car but I’m not going to let some car tell me what to do. I have rights. Also I’m switching to putting diesel in because I don’t trust Subaru.
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My check engine light came on in my car but I’m not going to let some car tell me what to do. I have rights. Also I’m switching to putting diesel in because I don’t trust Subaru.
With that logic maybe you should just use public transportation. I will continue to drive and fix my own car, unless I CHOOSE to bring it to a mechanic.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
My Jigga is intact (and if shalomcoin goes through proof will be available for you) but having a baby boy circumcised is a personal decision made by the child’s parents. That certainly cannot be compared to the government forcing someone to do something unwanted to their body..you silly
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
And they won’t give it back, either. The bastards.
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I think the best thing that can be done is show prominent figures getting the vaccine and show ads that emotionally show the benefits of vaccine and negatively show how miserable covid-19 can be.
I don't buy laundry detergent because I understand what is in it, I buy it cause I like pictures of fields with wild flowers and white women with blonde hair hanging up sheets.
Educating and punishing arent worth it. Humans arent rational so there is no point in talking to them like adults. And, punishment would need to be crafted carefully so it doesn't create Martyrs which would do significant harm as it gives the antivaxx dipshits heroes to worship.
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I’m just some jerkoff, but I can let you know you how it goes for me if and when I get vaccinated. I think they’re saying it should be available for plebs like me some time in the summer or autumn.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
My pecker was not cut due to my parents decision making. Nobody came into that room and forced them to make that decision, or removed personal freedoms from them if they didn’t comply. I will say I like your approach to this conversation, I was anticipating name-calling and such. I am assuming by the consistent kooks I am getting that I am being viewed as a anti-vaxxer. I am just someone who would like to continue to research and then make the decisions regarding my own body.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
Of course, schools don't discriminate against foreskin and that's where the analogy is flawed. Although parents sure think about the PE showers when making 'their' decision. But never mind that. What circumcision (and other counter examples given here, which you are dodging) shows, is that bodily autonomy is regularly relinquished. For good reasons of public health (measles), for questionable reasons of public health (prohibition), and even for sheer frivolity (circumcision).
I don't do name-calling but if you want to see less of that maybe don't end posts goading.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
You can do your „research“ , take your time.... but meanwhile you have to live with restrictions. I dont see a problem.
just do your self a favour and spend 30 minutes on pub med, that should do it.
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
You can do your „research“ , take your time.... but meanwhile you have to live with. I dont see a problem.
just do your self a favour and spend 30 minutes on pub med, that should do it.
Thank you, I will check it out
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
You can do your „research“ , take your time.... but meanwhile you have to live with. I dont see a problem.
just do your self a favour and spend 30 minutes on pub med, that should do it.
The fact that you don‘t know about pub med shows that you have done no research so far. At least not in a proper way of what science refers to as research.
If you don‘t use legit sources your research is useless.
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The argument of forced vaccination seems purely theoretical. Only one percent of my state, not including undocumented immigrants, received their first dose. After health care workers and nursing home staff/residents, another 2/3rds of the population are considered "essential".
California could never mandate a vaccination or even a simple covid test. Since I don't have a car anymore and would have to take public transportation and dedicate a sick day to wait in line at Kaiser, it's pointless for me to get tested if I had to. As a state employee who works with the public, I can't even get tested from a county site (I'm classified as a "Disaster Service Worker" for the duration of the epidemic). Although I know that the L.A. Sheriffs Dept. is mandating testing, we do not have a fraction of their resources. They won't supply mask or gloves and certainly won't make testing or vaccines available, much less mandatory.
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On the topic of circumcision, that's still recommended by the CDC. While I'm not anti-covid-vaccine, it does make me question whatever recommendations they have. That's something specific to the US but most countries have something fucked up if you search for it.
Human population planning, forced (not mandated) vaccinations, circumcision (recommended, not mandated/forced), etc... are all in the same of governments/govt. org's forcing, mandating, or recommending something concerning and individual's body. With how most laws are passed/worded, I'm sure there's some crossover in extending powers when it comes to things like this.
With the vaccine rolling out, I think the question for governments should be how to get the skeptical people to trust them in that taking it is safe, not "how are we going to force this on them". If they did a good job handling the situation, I'd imagine they have less people skeptical of their advice.
At the end of the day, however things play out, you're either a victim of - or thankful for - whatever country you're living in. Everyone's privy to their opinions, however. So if you can vote on said issues, vote, and keep yourself informed via trustworthy resources. The shit people repost on Instagram, FB groups, etc... it's insane how so many people are quick to take that stuff as truth.
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I registered with my health department today to get notified when for my immunization when it becomes available since I haven't heard anything from the VA.
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I wouldn't either, bad transmissions in those
Not a fan of the cvt? I like it a lot.
I know 4 people that have had to get a new transmission in a Subaru around 70k miles. I'm a fan of their cars but wary of the transmission
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
You can do your „research“ , take your time.... but meanwhile you have to live with. I dont see a problem.
just do your self a favour and spend 30 minutes on pub med, that should do it.
The fact that you don‘t know about pub med shows that you have done no research so far. At least not in a proper way of what science refers to as research.
If you don‘t use legit sources your research is useless.
When did I state that I didn’t know about Pub med?
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
Of course, schools don't discriminate against foreskin and that's where the analogy is flawed. Although parents sure think about the PE showers when making 'their' decision. But never mind that. What circumcision (and other counter examples given here, which you are dodging) shows, is that bodily autonomy is regularly relinquished. For good reasons of public health (measles), for questionable reasons of public health (prohibition), and even for sheer frivolity (circumcision).
I don't do name-calling but if you want to see less of that maybe don't end posts goading.
That’s a lot to think about, thank you for your insight!
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Automatics are for gimps man I got this 92 brumby, only got four forward gears and it fucking hates doing over 80 on the highway but man what a little rig, I actually gave it to the homie and it lives in Cunnamulla now, nice little shooting truck
Bit of weight in the back and those cunts drift like a motherfucker offroad, too
But yeah some of the suby manuals are tough as
I think they called that model the brat in America
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
You can do your „research“ , take your time.... but meanwhile you have to live with. I dont see a problem.
just do your self a favour and spend 30 minutes on pub med, that should do it.
The fact that you don‘t know about pub med shows that you have done no research so far. At least not in a proper way of what science refers to as research.
If you don‘t use legit sources your research is useless.
„You should spend time on pubmed“
-„Thank you i will check it out“
To me that sounds like you didn‘t do any research on there so far.
Sorry if i was wrong. But if you‘d have read the studies there, you wouldn‘t doubt if the covid vaccination was a good idea or not
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Automatics are for gimps man I got this 92 brumby, only got four forward gears and it fucking hates doing over 80 on the highway but man what a little rig, I actually gave it to the homie and it lives in Cunnamulla now, nice little shooting truck
Bit of weight in the back and those cunts drift like a motherfucker offroad, too
But yeah some of the suby manuals are tough as
I think they called that model the brat in America
I lived in NZ for 5 years, never seen so many Subaru Foresters in my life. Also, I thought it was cool yet strange that wagon style cars were so popular there but not here in the US. Australia similar on the car style? I was psyched to see an old Ford Falcon as I'm a huge Mad Max fan
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You'd vaccinate everybody and end the spread of the virus? The same way that vaccines have proven to do in the past? Not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm not saying governments should have carte blanche to enforce whatever they want upon us, just that "my body my choice" isn't a strong enough case against it on its own
Assuming you were born there, stats suggest that someone chopped off a bit of your penis. And it didn't even require a medical purpose!
The analogy really isn't as far off as you seem to believe. Those parents, who make a 'personal decision' to permanently alter another person's body, do so under the assumption that it is beneficial. Where do you think they got that idea? The incentives to circumcize aren't as overt as those for vaccinating children, but cutting was normalized institutionally. The benefits of the vaccines are of course monumental, while the risk of lasting negative effects are just about negligible. And the benefits of circumcision are slight and nebulous, while the rate of irreversibly changed non-consenting bodies is a hundred percent.
You really think bodily autonomy doesn't come into play here, just because it is deferred?
You can do your „research“ , take your time.... but meanwhile you have to live with. I dont see a problem.
just do your self a favour and spend 30 minutes on pub med, that should do it.
The fact that you don‘t know about pub med shows that you have done no research so far. At least not in a proper way of what science refers to as research.
If you don‘t use legit sources your research is useless.
„You should spend time on pubmed“
-„Thank you i will check it out“
To me that sounds like you didn‘t do any research on there so far.
Sorry if i was wrong. But if you‘d have read the studies there, you wouldn‘t doubt if the covid vaccination was a good idea or not
I apologize as well, as I didn’t put a lot of thought into that reply. I was pressed for time and really should not of been on here at that moment. Happy new year and thanks for all your advice!
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@Alan can you comment on the rumours that posting on slap will require proof of vaccination?
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Automatics are for gimps man I got this 92 brumby, only got four forward gears and it fucking hates doing over 80 on the highway but man what a little rig, I actually gave it to the homie and it lives in Cunnamulla now, nice little shooting truck
Bit of weight in the back and those cunts drift like a motherfucker offroad, too
But yeah some of the suby manuals are tough as
I think they called that model the brat in America
I lived in NZ for 5 years, never seen so many Subaru Foresters in my life. Also, I thought it was cool yet strange that wagon style cars were so popular there but not here in the US. Australia similar on the car style? I was psyched to see an old Ford Falcon as I'm a huge Mad Max fan
where are you located? Places where they're AWD/4WD are necessary, they're common as fuck in my experience- Pacific North West, New England, Colorado.
I got an 07 Outback 5spd, 3 inch body lift and some AT tires. Best car I've owned. Kills on the interstate and drives through just about anything else. I can sleep in it and use it like a little truck in the mountains or river bed.
Also, Not tryna say you're wrong, but I fuck with Subarus and don't who has had to replace a Subaru transmission at such low mileage, head gaskets however, are the common culprit and usually go at around 70-100k miles.
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@Alan can you comment on the rumours that posting on slap will require proof of vaccination?
This is true, but don't shoot the messenger. Happy New Year!
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@Alan can you comment on the rumours that posting on slap will require proof of vaccination?
This is true, but don't shoot the messenger. Happy New Year!
it's breathtaking how important Slap is in the grand scheme of things
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Small sample size however 2/3 of my co-workers refused to take the vaccine. Was super shocked. I work at an assisted living facility. Wonder what the overall stats are. If trends similar to my small work, gonna take forever for things to get back to normal
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Small sample size however 2/3 of my co-workers refused to take the vaccine. Was super shocked. I work at an assisted living facility. Wonder what the overall stats are. If trends similar to my small work, gonna take forever for things to get back to normal
That's.... wild.... especially since assisted living facilities have been notorious for outbreaks since COVID became a thing. I'm sorry that your coworkers are refusing and putting you and your residents in danger.
I'm far from an essential worker and I'm able to work remotely, so I'll probably be last on the list to get the vaccine. But you best believe that I'm still getting it as soon as possible. The fact that this is even a debate is crazy.
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Small sample size however 2/3 of my co-workers refused to take the vaccine. Was super shocked. I work at an assisted living facility. Wonder what the overall stats are. If trends similar to my small work, gonna take forever for things to get back to normal
And it's not mandatory? Wow.
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State health board needs to step in. I told my wife that she needs to get the owner of the childcare facility where she works to make it a marketing tool to draw in customers looking to a safe place for their kids. Noncompliance can be grounds for suspension (not termination) until they get their vaccine. They can quit and lose unemployment benefits or get vaccine and work. Easy.
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I got my first dose of the vaccine this afternoon. It was voluntary on my part. I am a volunteer search and rescue worker, and because of that I get the opportunity to get vaccinated in the 1b category with other first responders. They had us sit in a waiting room for 15 minutes after the injection to make sure there was no immediate reaction. The shot was easy. Easier than getting a tetanus shot or getting blood drawn. Easier than a flu shot in my opinion. A friend of mine who is icu nurse said her arm was a little more sore the next day than her last flu shot. Several hours so far, no side effects, no super powers, my gps hasn't started tracking me, no microsoft updates, and U2 still sucks.
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I just got part A of the Moderna vaccine. No real side effects. I did get a sudden urge to scroll through the berries for the first time in 10+ years. That shit makes no god damn sense. It's the same thing as remive now? Indoor skating in Southern California was dumb in 2010, but it's just ridiculous now.
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If anyone can, do an e-meter reading before and after you get the vaccine. I'd love to know what it might do to my thetan levels.
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Small sample size however 2/3 of my co-workers refused to take the vaccine. Was super shocked. I work at an assisted living facility. Wonder what the overall stats are. If trends similar to my small work, gonna take forever for things to get back to normal
Have you ever had to interact with a "nurse" or CNA that works at an assisted living facility? There's a reason that they work there, and not in an ICU.
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Small sample size however 2/3 of my co-workers refused to take the vaccine. Was super shocked. I work at an assisted living facility. Wonder what the overall stats are. If trends similar to my small work, gonna take forever for things to get back to normal
Bolded for factual info.
And yeah, it’s about 2/3’s that didn’t want it at the assisted living facility I work at. Everyone’s mood is “nah man fuck that I heard people get fucked up off of vaccines / I’ll wait till the Nobel prize winning vaccine, not the first round.”
Hopeful for 2031!
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I just got part A of the Moderna vaccine. No real side effects. I did get a sudden urge to scroll through the berries for the first time in 10+ years. That shit makes no god damn sense. It's the same thing as remive now? Indoor skating in Southern California was dumb in 2010, but it's just ridiculous now.
that's it for me, i am not taking this vaccine!
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I work at a large private NYC hospital and I got my Pfizer booster yesterday. Arm is a little sore, like after the first dose, but that’s the only adverse reaction. I know this is my first post and may seem suspicious but this is a topic I care deeply about. NYC is lacking support staff since traveling nurses are in places like California and im nervous we are on the brink of what we saw nearly a year ago. Nearly every attending and resident has received their doses but the skepticism among nurses is higher than I expected.
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but the skepticism among nurses is higher than I expected.
I keep hearing this... Ugh.
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I work nights so it can be a little inconvenient to wait in line after working all night to receive it but their reasoning seems to stem from mis-trust in it. Now I have only asked those nurses I’m close with as i feel that it can be a sensitive subject and I don’t want to come across as condescending, but out of the maybe 6 I asked only 1 has gotten it. I think NYC nurses are far more likely to get it (estimates are at 90%) where in places like Ohio it may be far lower at 40%. Luckily in-hospital transmission is low so I’m not worried that our patients or the nurses will contract it.
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but the skepticism among nurses is higher than I expected.
I keep hearing this... Ugh.
Does it surprise you? I've met a fair share of nurses who are quite dumb and view themselves as experts. At this point, political indoctrination has them all further warped.
I was just in the hospital, this morning, a super shitty, small rural hospital, for an x-ray and when talking with the receptionist she straight up stated that they don't talk about the vaccine because it upsets some people and their beliefs.
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I work nights so it can be a little inconvenient to wait in line after working all night to receive it but their reasoning seems to stem from mis-trust in it. Now I have only asked those nurses I’m close with as i feel that it can be a sensitive subject and I don’t want to come across as condescending, but out of the maybe 6 I asked only 1 has gotten it. I think NYC nurses are far more likely to get it (estimates are at 90%) where in places like Ohio it may be far lower at 40%. Luckily in-hospital transmission is low so I’m not worried that our patients or the nurses will contract it.
Some of our nurses are sceptical (i‘d say 25-30%) but ALL that have worked with COVID patients and saw the effects said the‘re gonna get the shot for sure. Also all doctors will get it.
That said i‘m on the list for my shot next tuesday, it‘s gonna be the pfizer vaccine.
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Does it surprise you? I've met a fair share of nurses who are quite dumb and view themselves as experts. At this point, political indoctrination has them all further warped.
I was just in the hospital, this morning, a super shitty, small rural hospital, for an x-ray and when talking with the receptionist she straight up stated that they don't talk about the vaccine because it upsets some people and their beliefs.
Tbh, it does a little. I worked at a hospital bitd and while some of the nurses were a bit dumb, most of them were on top of shit and sharper than most of the doctors. Of course, that's anecdotal, but still...
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I work nights so it can be a little inconvenient to wait in line after working all night to receive it but their reasoning seems to stem from mis-trust in it. Now I have only asked those nurses I’m close with as i feel that it can be a sensitive subject and I don’t want to come across as condescending, but out of the maybe 6 I asked only 1 has gotten it. I think NYC nurses are far more likely to get it (estimates are at 90%) where in places like Ohio it may be far lower at 40%. Luckily in-hospital transmission is low so I’m not worried that our patients or the nurses will contract it.
Some of our nurses are sceptical (i‘d say 25-30%) but ALL that have worked with COVID patients and saw the effects said the‘re gonna get the shot for sure. Also all doctors will get it.
That said i‘m on the list for my shot next tuesday, it‘s gonna be the pfizer vaccine.
I was surprised because this unit was turned into a COVID unit in the spring so they all had first hand experience with it. It wasn’t an ICU so I don’t think anyone was ventilated unless they came to the hospital that way but they were sick nonetheless. They haven’t tried to read the journal articles and of the hundreds if not thousands that have gotten the vaccine haven’t had bad reactions so their trepidation seems unjustified. My hope for them is that if they choose to get it, it will still be readily available for them to do so.
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Does it surprise you? I've met a fair share of nurses who are quite dumb and view themselves as experts. At this point, political indoctrination has them all further warped.
I was just in the hospital, this morning, a super shitty, small rural hospital, for an x-ray and when talking with the receptionist she straight up stated that they don't talk about the vaccine because it upsets some people and their beliefs.
Tbh, it does a little. I worked at a hospital bitd and while some of the nurses were a bit dumb, most of them were on top of shit and sharper than most of the doctors. Of course, that's anecdotal, but still...
No doubt. I also worked in a hospital and remember different grades of RNs tbh. I mean, it blows my mind that people who work with suffering populations aren't on board at this point, but it doesn't surprise me that Nurses are representative of the population at large. It's a true bummer
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
I’m 36 hours out from the second dose and my arm barely hurts and that’s it. I was able to go on a 10 mile run without any issues. I have also heard people feeling lousy after the second dose, but I think that’s been the exception not the norm. Of the dozens I’ve interacted with since their second dose no one has had an adverse reaction. I’m a PA and not a resident so I don’t work crazy hours and I think that could be a reason. I was able to get good rest afterwards.
This is an RNA vaccine not an attenuated or inactive virus which has been used in the past. So basically they package the RNA in lipids and it enters your cells and your cell machinery uses the RNA to create the “spike” protein (the protein present on the virus that attaches to your cells and allows its to enter) which will then allow your body to recognize it if the virus were to get in your system. It doesn’t enter your own genome and become a permanent part of your DNA, which people were worried about. I’m not totally sure how much different antibodies are, that’s out of my knowledge base.
The current strains, even the more transmissible one we keep hearing about, have a lower death rate than what we saw in the spring. That could partially be because we know how to treat this thing and also because it could be less virulent. I don’t think it’s surprising that people who got it recently (my family members caught it in Dec.) had mild symptoms. The issue is that more people are getting it and the healthcare system isn’t prepare to handle the numbers it’s seeing.
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has GAY received it yet? maybe that's why he's missing from the boards.
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Got the shot 4hours ago, all good. Feels just like any other vaccination.
Constantly checkin my phone for 5g reception, no success yet.
But i just installed windows 95 on my dishwasher.
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Got the shot 4hours ago, all good. Feels just like any other vaccination.
Constantly checkin my phone for 5g reception, no success yet.
But i just installed windows 95 on my dishwasher.
Ya, my partner got it last week. she's since spent $5000 USD on Amazon and the chip interferes with my tinnitus at night.
Just kidding. She's fine. She had a sore arm for 2 days but that's what happens with intramuscular shots. I'm sure it's nothing compared to the round we got a basic training.
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Just got my second shot this week, I got the moderna version. Was thinking I was going to be in bed all day today because two friends also got it and felt sick the next day but felt completely okay except for a sore arm. I looked it up and read 3% of the US population has had both, very cool. I definitely understand why people have reservations, especially considering how fucked up the government is. If anyone is thinking of taking it but has questions/concerns, feel free to message :-)
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wait a minute does 5g give me covid or does covid give me 5g i'm not clear on that point
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Got the second pfizer shot on tuesday. No fever no pain no nothing. All good.
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wait a minute does 5g give me covid or does covid give me 5g i'm not clear on that point
you better do your research!
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Yeah I’d like to but after they’ve got all the kinks out of the initial treatment.
No it’s not some antivaxxer bs just if they’re rushing everyone to get it I’m not buying it’s effectiveness.
I have been in medical studies and I’ve had extreme issues with side effects and having been on antiviral drugs for Hep C they’ve given me exema and restless leg syndrome.
Plus anyone else remember the fact they’ve purposefully done horrible things in the name of medical science to others?
What, like curing your hepatitis?
https://www.britannica.com/event/Guatemala-syphilis-experiment.
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
My girlfriend is a nurse and she was out for a few days after the second dose. she had her moments of being fine but then right back down. said it was like having the flu.
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
My girlfriend is a nurse and she was out for a few days after the second dose. she had her moments of being fine but then right back down. said it was like having the flu.
My partner got moderna dose 2 at 1300 on Saturday. She had a 99.1°F fever by 1500. She was however fine to do things until 2100, when she became achey and cold to the point of shivering/sweating. She woke at 1100 Sunday with a sore arm and reported being tired but with no fever, hanging out most of the day buy was able to go for a walk to the market and prepare dinner. No symptoms today.
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
My girlfriend is a nurse and she was out for a few days after the second dose. she had her moments of being fine but then right back down. said it was like having the flu.
My partner got moderna dose 2 at 1300 on Saturday. She had a 99.1°F fever by 1500. She was however fine to do things until 2100, when she became achey and cold to the point of shivering/sweating. She woke at 1100 Sunday with a sore arm and reported being tired but with no fever, hanging out most of the day buy was able to go for a walk to the market and prepare dinner. No symptoms today.
I had some fatigue and soreness after Moderna dose 1, and can get dose 2 in a few weeks. A lil worried since I seemed to react more severely to dose 1 than others I know, but it's worth some discomfort in the long run.
Unless a vaccine resistant mutation develops and rips through my state... praying that doesn't happen. Everybody get your second shots, yo. We don't need any super covid strains.
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
Yes. Feel free to talk to me like I’m a moron..but why would a person want to get a vaccine (one that doesn’t even stop you from contracting/spreading it...just prevents symptoms) for something they have already had? What antibodies would the vaccine provide that having the virus itself didn’t provide?
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i joined slap for the politics but stayed for the science
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Yes, as soon it will be my turn. Already had Covid and we need to stop this.
Good initiativ, the "Ignore user" will wear out by the end of this thread.
Cancel culture of stuff like racism, sexism, etc is AMAZING. When people use the “ignore user” feature to cancel discussing opinions on an issue, it just comes off like they have an inability to have discussions on different opinions. Anyways, feel free to engage your “ignore user” button with me..I have the feeling you wouldn’t have the ability to have a rational discussion on certain issues anyways. I just wanted to express my opinion on cancel culture and wanted to use your example of it to express it..thanks
Holla!
edit: I’d even give you credit that you could possibly have information on topics that someone may have not known and have the ability to change their stance on an issue..not that it would be your responsibility to do (but I doubt you’re coming from a “responsible” stance on this and more a just lack of inability to explain your views/opinions.
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist on a fucking skateboarding message board. I swear the only people who ever use that term don't have a clue what it means.
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist on a fucking skateboarding message board. I swear the only people who ever use that term don't have a clue what it means.
“Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles – either online on social media, in the real world, or both.”
If this isn’t even a loose explanation of it, then define it for me internet tough guy 🏋🏻♀️🏋️🏋🏻♀️🏋️
I’ve seemed to have misplaced my Billy Bitchcakes edition dictionary...dipshit
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist on a fucking skateboarding message board. I swear the only people who ever use that term don't have a clue what it means.
jj, johan, biebel, ka ... the list goes on
oh wait, what’s cancel culture
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
Yes. Feel free to talk to me like I’m a moron..but why would a person want to get a vaccine (one that doesn’t even stop you from contracting/spreading it...just prevents symptoms) for something they have already had? What antibodies would the vaccine provide that having the virus itself didn’t provide?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html
"If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?
Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection. CDC is providing recommendations to federal, state, and local governments about who should be vaccinated first.
At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.
We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have more data on how well the vaccines work.
Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.
Will a COVID-19 vaccination protect me from getting sick with COVID-19?
Yes. COVID-19 vaccination works by teaching your immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19, and this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.
Being protected from getting sick is important because even though many people with COVID-19 have only a mild illness, others may get a severe illness, have long-term health effects, or even die. There is no way to know how COVID-19 will affect you, even if you don’t have an increased risk of developing severe complications. Learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work."
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist on a fucking skateboarding message board. I swear the only people who ever use that term don't have a clue what it means.
Lol
C'mon man
Cancel culture and gaslighting are what slap runs on these days.
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist on a fucking skateboarding message board. I swear the only people who ever use that term don't have a clue what it means.
“Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles – either online on social media, in the real world, or both.”
If this isn’t even a loose explanation of it, then define it for me internet tough guy 🏋🏻♀️🏋️🏋🏻♀️🏋️
I’ve seemed to have misplaced my Billy Bitchcakes edition dictionary...dipshit
If people use the ignore function on someone then that's their decision, it hasn't silenced anyone. If someone gets banned it's because they broke the community guidelines not because they were "thrust out of the social circle"
jj, johan, biebel, ka ... the list goes on
Pretty sure none of them post on here
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist on a fucking skateboarding message board. I swear the only people who ever use that term don't have a clue what it means.
“Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles – either online on social media, in the real world, or both.”
If this isn’t even a loose explanation of it, then define it for me internet tough guy 🏋🏻♀️🏋️🏋🏻♀️🏋️
I’ve seemed to have misplaced my Billy Bitchcakes edition dictionary...dipshit
If people use the ignore function on someone then that's their decision, it hasn't silenced anyone. If someone gets banned it's because they broke the community guidelines not because they were "thrust out of the social circle"
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jj, johan, biebel, ka ... the list goes on
Pretty sure none of them post on here
It’s all good. I’ve moved on..I think it’s clear the logic in your comment has been regarded as inaccurate/incomplete..Good luck with your day g’
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I have a handful of friends who work in healthcare. Every one of them who’ve gotten the vaccine say the second dose is hell and made them feverish and sick for days.
I had covid in November. Maybe I’m an idiot, but how do antibodies from a vaccine differ from having the real thing? My covid experience was super mild.
Yes. Feel free to talk to me like I’m a moron..but why would a person want to get a vaccine (one that doesn’t even stop you from contracting/spreading it...just prevents symptoms) for something they have already had? What antibodies would the vaccine provide that having the virus itself didn’t provide?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html
"If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?
Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection. CDC is providing recommendations to federal, state, and local governments about who should be vaccinated first.
At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.
We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have more data on how well the vaccines work.
Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.
Will a COVID-19 vaccination protect me from getting sick with COVID-19?
Yes. COVID-19 vaccination works by teaching your immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19, and this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.
Being protected from getting sick is important because even though many people with COVID-19 have only a mild illness, others may get a severe illness, have long-term health effects, or even die. There is no way to know how COVID-19 will affect you, even if you don’t have an increased risk of developing severe complications. Learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work."
Cool..so to me that reads whether or not immunity comes via natural or vaccine, length of immunity from either is a big TBD....and that if you feel you are susceptible to extreme health issues regarding covid you should def be seeking out that vaccine. Not the definitive answer on whether one is better than the other that I was hoping for, but thanks for the info..
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Moderna dose 2 is fuckin my day up, but feeling like a pile for a few days is worth the protection from the risks involved with contracting (or re-contracting) the real deal.
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Got myself the first shot earlier this week and my partner just got hers today. Only side effect from mine was a sore arm, similar to the tetanus boosters. I'm just stoked that we both managed to get them and really hoping that everyone else I know is able to get a vaccine soon too.
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I get my 2nd shot in a week and a half. As shitty as Arizona has been with Covid, I was surprised at how easy it is to get a shot. Feel great and nobody in my family got sick from it either. Get those shots if you can people.
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Got my first Pfizer shot three days ago, was impressed with how tiny the needle is. You barely feel that shit going in. Way easier than any other shot I’ve ever gotten. I had a headache and felt really tired for the rest of the day... but that was probably because I woke up hungover on a Saturday morning to go wait in the LA sun for 2 hours at my local vaccine site.
Shot number two will be the real test. Pretty much everyone I know has gotten rather sick for at least 24 hours. My older relatives and one diabetic friend had more adverse reactions than the young healthy ones, which is probably to be expected.
On the topic of getting vs not getting the shot: I don’t really blame anyone for being skeptical. The government and big pharmaceutical companies absolutely do not have your best interests in mind. Other people have posted links to some of the extremely sketchy historical examples so I won’t reiterate all that.
However one thing that may help assuage your fears: most of the really fucked up medical mistreatments in history have been in poor or minority populations or underdeveloped countries. These new shots are currently being pushed to the most rich and powerful: senators, doctors, etc. Rich white people are cutting the lines left and right. You think these pharma companies want to poison the same people who sit on their boards, buy their stocks, work in their hospitals? Probably not. So if it’s safe enough for my local rich white asshole I’m going to assume it’s safe enough for me as well.
There *have* been some kind of alarming side effects and those stories are being minimized or ignored in the mainstream press. That shit really pisses me off because it just fuels the fire for anyone predisposed to skepticism. Personally, however, I’m willing to get my shots anyway because I know almost *all* medical treatments have the remote possibility of crazy problems, but if you play the odds you can figure that you will probably be ok.
I know more people who have had long difficult COVID symptoms than I do who have had prolonged vaccine problems. Now will we all come down with some weird rare cancer or become infertile a few years down the line? It’s definitely possible, although probably not very likely.
Also, If you’re nervous about these new mRNA vaccines, consider waiting for the more traditional Johnson and Johnson shots to get more widely available.
tl;dr— I don’t blame you if you’re skeptical but I reasoned it out with myself and decided to get it anyway.
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didn’t read this thread but getting the vaccine today
1. made me skate a lot better
2. was a weird experience made weirder by being stoned and listening to death metal while military guys herded us into a convention center to get injected w/ a syringe just like in a death metal song (and when i took my headphones out they were playing “wipe out” on the PA)
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Work in healthcare and had my 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine a couple weeks ago. Woke up with a headache that wouldn't go away the next day (I never get headaches typically), but that was all. Stoked I was able to get it.
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I got the first moderna shot 5 days ago. I think I was pretty tired for the first two days because I napped both days, I never nap, but was also with my gf those days and usually feel much more relaxed and lazy with her.
On the 3rd day, I felt pretty fucking shitty. I felt really nauseous in the morning and groggy. Could have just been a bad day but I think it was mild side effects. Still wouldn't hesitate.
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Damn.. People are actually getting shots...Feels so surreal..
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I’d be waaay down the list cause I’m not an essential worker but I will 100 be getting mine when it’s available
Fucken trippy to think about our thoughts a little over a year ago. I thought it was gonna wreck shit but nowhere to this extent
The madness of life, hey
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I’d be waaay down the list cause I’m not an essential worker but I will 100 be getting mine when it’s available
Fucken trippy to think about our thoughts a little over a year ago. I thought it was gonna wreck shit but nowhere to this extent
The madness of life, hey
Funny, I'm "essential" but Gay Sweden gives about zero fucks. i thing about 8% got 1 or more shots.
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I'm fully vaxxed, 2 Moderna shots. I had covid a year ago, and after the second shot maybe 8 hours after I got stuck, I got so sick like I had it again. Shakes, chills, low grade fever. Lasted 12 hours and then I was fine. It dehydrates you, bad. I made the mistake of having TWO drinks 2 days after and I woke up with such a bad hangover. Hydrate people.
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atleast you guys have the option to get one if you wanted.
here in canada, there has been no mention (that Ive seen) of where to get vaccinated or even when you can.
I understand that the govt wanted to get multiple options on the table and give people a choice, but there has to be a quicker way.
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atleast you guys have the option to get one if you wanted.
here in canada, there has been no mention (that Ive seen) of where to get vaccinated or even when you can.
I understand that the govt wanted to get multiple options on the table and give people a choice, but there has to be a quicker way.
I mean not everyone can. I got it because of what I do for work. My wife can't get one yet. My mom is 64 and she's shit out of luck. I get why they're breaking up the eligibility, but what's the difference between 64 and 65?
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all i had to do was work dual essential work gigs the entire pandemic 8)
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atleast you guys have the option to get one if you wanted.
here in canada, there has been no mention (that Ive seen) of where to get vaccinated or even when you can.
I understand that the govt wanted to get multiple options on the table and give people a choice, but there has to be a quicker way.
Being a middle power with an asshole neighbor and not in the EU sucks. I could get an appointment via work in the US but I don't want to cross the border.
How the fuck did seychelles get all those vaccines?
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Got my second shot two weeks ago. The following day I felt not good. Wasn't too bad though. Manageable.
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Dose one, of two, of that hot Pfizer action is all up in me as of today.
Is this where I say “Let’s Goooooooo!!!”
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Been fully vaxed for two weeks now- first jab (moderna) was just arm pain and slight lethargy. second jab, fucked up my weekend but not as bad as some reports I have heard. I was mostly tired, with a dull headache and little achey. No fever or other flu symptoms. 48 hours after the jab I was mostly back to normal.
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I got my first dose two and a half weeks ago, moderna, not much of an issue with that one. Sore arm for a day or two. Scheduled to receive dose 2 on the 29th, which sucks since it’s a Monday and I’m not really trying to miss any work after.
I work with a bunch of right leaning people that either still don’t take Covid serious or have no interest is receiving the vax. Im basically getting it in secret so they don’t get me fucking sick and then I bring it home to the wife and kids.
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I’m in Chicago and a part of the 1A group but I still cant get one and they’re already opening stuff back up. I’m on every mailing list I can find and constantly refreshing stuff looking for an appt. Fingers crossed I get one soon.
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thank god our government just decided to ease up on vaccing restrictions. they did a heck of a job so far, like, not. they've been vaccinating since late december and have only vaccinated like 5 million people or so. most of them were already half dead. at some point around two weeks ago, someone in the government had the genius idea that it might be smart to not just vaxx half dead people, but maybe it would be smart to vaxx people that have to go to work, children so they can go to school, etc... shit smarter people have been saying all along.
now they miraculously claim they want to vaxx 10 million people each week from the end of march on. belieeeeeeeedat...
our government is fucking braindead. don't come to germany, kids haven't had school for a year because they been closed but there's still places here with no internet. i'm serious, i hate my fucking country. you have imbecile cousins on top and as head of everything. everything was closed for half a year and everyone i know is dead broke. there's no stimulus either, unless you're a rich motherfucker anyway. rather than supporting fledgeling students or poor households they gave billions to vw, lufthansa, and other megacorps. half the country is still not allowed to work. i heard people say good things about my country that i will never get. our political system is corrupt and dysfunctional, our school system is a catastrophe and officially the worst and most unfair in europe. also, we have internet like its 2005. and people are still lowkey nazi/weird about poc. i suspect this will never change and have given up all hope. basically this reinforces my plans to emigrate. nothing here makes sense.
sorry for the off-topic rant, had to get that off my chest though.
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I'm very cautiously hopefully that the new $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill that just passed will greatly increase everyone's ability to get vaccinated, at least in the US. Looks like $20 billion of that is going directly to vaccine distribution, and $7.5 billion for the CDC to set up vaccination sites all over the country.
https://time.com/5944774/whats-in-covid-19-relief-bill-senate/
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I am in Canada, Niagara area, I had my first injection... I was very excited to be on the list as a PSW.
I had a rough reaction.
3 minutes in I started to taste metal, the taste by 5 minutes was disgusting... I started to lose vision, had a hard time creating, my chest felt like it was caving in. I could not find any energy to get up, so I was wheeled over to the Doctors area.
The worst part lasted half hour ... but it took me 3 days to recover and feel normal.
The second day, the opposite arm form the injection, went numb right into my thumb... but I felt okay.
The 3rd day I was still very nub and felt like I had a horrible birthday hangover.
4th day I was fine.
Not sure what is what with my second injection.
It was Pfizer if you're wondering.
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I’d be waaay down the list cause I’m not an essential worker but I will 100 be getting mine when it’s available
Fucken trippy to think about our thoughts a little over a year ago. I thought it was gonna wreck shit but nowhere to this extent
The madness of life, hey
Funny, I'm "essential" but Gay Sweden gives about zero fucks. i thing about 8% got 1 or more shots.
Illinois is right there with you guys as far as percentages go (Chicagoland especially). I've been eligible for over a month and haven't been able to find any appointments anywhere. I've heard of a lot of people that should be way down the list get it and say, "I just got lucky" which I take to mean they lied and don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
I can't be too mad though at least people are getting it with all of the bad press, conspiracy theories and all around ignorance.
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Now that I know the first one made me feel a little sick and the 2nd one could be worse I'll be stocking up on soup, water, snacks and weed.
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anyone had that Johnson and Johnson vaccine yet? I found out today that I'm eligible because I volunteer in a school every week. Johnson and Johnson 1 shot is the most widely available up here.
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I got the Johnson and Johnson one a couple days ago. I did have a bad reaction to it. Had gnarly body aches and chills for several days. Thankfully im feeling better now.
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Canada is supposed to be getting a million vaccines a week soon.
Considering our population is less than California's population, I'm hoping I can qualify quickly and we can get the country vaccinated quickly.
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Canada is supposed to be getting a million vaccines a week soon.
Considering our population is less than California's population, I'm hoping I can qualify quickly and we can get the country vaccinated quickly.
Nah bro, they’re just going to tell everybody living in cities that all the vaccines are going to First Nations reserves, then tell the First Nations reserves that all the vaccines are going to the cities. Then, while we’re too busy pointing fingers at one another and suffocating to death, our vaccinated political officials will be working tirelessly to replace us with fresh, pre-vaccinated units, and convert our corpses to a palatable, nutritious mush. Or stick us in the sand and hope for oil; admittedly, I do not know their endgame. I do, however, know that social problems like gun violence, lack of access to clean water and medical services, and addiction cease to exist when everybody is dead, so I guess it won’t be all bad.
I apologize. I’m clearly working through some stuff. Also, still waiting to be considered for vaccination. It’s kind of crazy to me that media outlets are already talking about vaccine passports, reopening universities and shit, and meanwhile nearly none of us are even vaccinated.
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2 shots of Pfizer. A little achey after 2nd shot but that’s it.
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it can sterilize me idgaf
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Got my first shot of AstraZeneca yesterday. So far I feel nothing just some pain in my arm.
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got the link for a Pfizer shot today. Thursday 1040 am. yeehaw, doggies
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Got my second today! Pfizer. Feel pretty ok. Maybe a little tired, but nothing significant. Really stoked! Cant wait for Bill Gates to use the 5G network to drone strike me.
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Getting my 1st shot of Moderna next week, can't wait! I belong to a risk group, so this will definitely easy up my life a little.
Will post any reactions as well.
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I got the johnson and Johnson shot yesterday. I live in Florida. I qualified for high risk because of high blood pressure. My doctor has been giving away permission slips to as many patients as possible because the federally run vaccine site in my area can do up to 500 shots a day and is only seeing 100 visitors daily. He’s afraid it could close if not being utilized. Felt almost zero side effects. Was a little tired yesterday, but that could’ve been the daylight savings time lag. Arm hurts where the shot was administered but that’s all.
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I got the johnson and Johnson shot yesterday. I live in Florida. I qualified for high risk because of high blood pressure. My doctor has been giving away permission slips to as many patients as possible because the federally run vaccine site in my area can do up to 500 shots a day and is only seeing 100 visitors daily. He’s afraid it could close if not being utilized. Felt almost zero side effects. Was a little tired yesterday, but that could’ve been the daylight savings time lag. Arm hurts where the shot was administered but that’s all.
never thought i'd be jealous of someone with high blood pressure. i'm in fl too, work with kids once a week (for now) and am hoping that would qualify me as a teacher/daycare employee type thing. hard to figure out how to get signed up honestly.
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According to the BMI calculator on the CDC website I am clinically overweight at 5’5 and 155 pounds (lol) so I qualify for the vaccine in my home state of GA now. Appointments were all booked up the the Atlanta area so I’m driving 3.5 hours south to Valdosta for my first dose this Saturday. Stoked at the prospect of not having to skate in a mask this summer and possibly reinstating a gym membership!
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I got the Johnson and Johnson one a couple days ago. I did have a bad reaction to it. Had gnarly body aches and chills for several days. Thankfully im feeling better now.
Got the J&J shot on Sunday afternoon. I had a headache, body ache and chills in the night but woke-up with only a mild headache which some Aleve knocked out.
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I got the Johnson and Johnson one a couple days ago. I did have a bad reaction to it. Had gnarly body aches and chills for several days. Thankfully im feeling better now.
Got the J&J shot on Sunday afternoon. I had a headache, body ache and chills in the night but woke-up with only a mild headache which some Aleve knocked out.
Got the J&J shot on Sunday afternoon. I had chills in the night.
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Got my first shot of AZ on Monday. Felt like absolute shit for 24 hours but not too bad today, just tired. It's all good though hyped to get started. We have to wait 3 months for the second dose here.
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Got my first shot of AZ on Monday. Felt like absolute shit for 24 hours but not too bad today, just tired. It's all good though hyped to get started. We have to wait 3 months for the second dose here.
Have you previously been infected with covid? I saw a random news article about first dose patients who’ve previously had covid having rougher side effects than those who haven’t, and the possibility of them not needing the 2nd dose. I think it’s still being studied but it’s worth looking into. Anyway 3 months between doses seems way long, I haven’t heard of anyone having to wait that long.
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Got my first shot of AZ on Monday. Felt like absolute shit for 24 hours but not too bad today, just tired. It's all good though hyped to get started. We have to wait 3 months for the second dose here.
Are you sure its not 3 weeks? That's what I had to wait.
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No it's 3 months. The UK government decided to lengthen the amount of time between the two doses so they could get more people partially protected, and then coincidentally discovered that the AZ vaccine that most are getting here is actually more effective with a 3 month gap. I don't think I've had covid but who knows. I've heard that younger people are more likely to have side effects. My parents both got it and were absolutely fine.
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Got Pfizer #1 this AM. I was visibly stoked in there, tryna chat it up with everyone like "hey! We're gonna be free soon. Hell ya" but other than the nurses I kept thanking for their service, everyone was just looking their phones. Fuckin hell. It was hopeful to see old hillbilly's in there getting stabbed. Made me think about the damage the American Right and Trump had done to covid response and vaccine awareness across the globe. Once the motherfuxkers are gone, most people are getting it....
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The global vaccine situation to be pretty across the board.
Living in Germany, it's crazy how much they "botched" it. The mask scandal, amount of distrust in getting it, and the pause on the Astrazeneca vaccine.
Also, being originally from Mississippi, it's mind boggling how we're the poorest state but the second to open up the vaccine to all ages. Who would have thought that I'd be flying back to Mississippi to get the vaccine when in Germany my eta would be something like 6 months from now. My mom was also telling how it was easy/free to get tested and here they'd charge you 50+ euros or make it super difficult in that the information wasn't really transparent.
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24 hours following Pfizer #1, I have felt better. Body aches and feeling dehydrated with light headaches regardless of water consumption and peeing clearish. Much like when a flu is coming on, I've felt it in my back/spine as sensations of weakness. Didn't sleep particularly well either. The feelings of crumminess are most prevalent when I'm laying/sitting around and mostly dissipate when actively engaged in physical work. Still, much better than when I was sick for 2-3 weeks last January/February with what may have been Covid. Looking forward to rd 2!
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24 hours following Pfizer #1, I have felt better. Body aches and feeling dehydrated with light headaches regardless of water consumption and peeing clearish. Much like when a flu is coming on, I've felt it in my back/spine as sensations of weakness. Didn't sleep particularly well either. The feelings of crumminess are most prevalent when I'm laying/sitting around and mostly dissipate when actively engaged in physical work. Still, much better than when I was sick for 2-3 weeks last January/February with what may have been Covid. Looking forward to rd 2!
Hope you feel better soon my homey!
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Got the Janssen/J&J vaccine two days ago. Didn't tell any of my co-workers why I was leaving early. Most talk about Bill Gates and other "socialist" billionaires injecting microchips. I don't believe any of this, but looked up the smallest IC chips to see if this is even theoretically possible (it's not). Got restless sick nightmare sleep the second night, but no real symptoms.
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I got the Johnson and Johnson one a couple days ago. I did have a bad reaction to it. Had gnarly body aches and chills for several days. Thankfully im feeling better now.
Got the J&J shot on Sunday afternoon. I had a headache, body ache and chills in the night but woke-up with only a mild headache which some Aleve knocked out.
received mine Thursday morning and felt fine until about 8pm. Got pretty bad side effects and barely slept; sweating, chills, muscle aches, fatigue, and headache. Had to pull over on my drive into work yesterday because of the headache. Still felt a little off today so I’ve been loafing around. Still beats the potential alternative though
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Received Pfizer dose #1 yesterday morning and had one soreness around the injection for about 12 hours and no other side effects whatsoever. Feeling very lucky and stoked to get dose #2. Most optimistic I have felt in a minute, though I know we still have a long way to go until “normalcy” returns
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I got banned from twitter for 12 hours for this tweet.
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I went ahead and focused my account. Im not hanging out anywhere that doesnt get satire, even if it's an algorithm.
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Received Pfizer dose #1 yesterday morning and had one soreness around the injection for about 12 hours and no other side effects whatsoever. Feeling very lucky and stoked to get dose #2. Most optimistic I have felt in a minute, though I know we still have a long way to go until “normalcy” returns
hell ya. glad you didn't feel like crap. I felt shitty on and off from Thursday afternoon til Sunday AM. Although it sucked, it makes me hopeful that I've got a banging immune system. It's said that the shittier you feel, the stronger your immune system is capable of fighting ::)
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Received Pfizer dose #1 yesterday morning and had one soreness around the injection for about 12 hours and no other side effects whatsoever. Feeling very lucky and stoked to get dose #2. Most optimistic I have felt in a minute, though I know we still have a long way to go until “normalcy” returns
hell ya. glad you didn't feel like crap. I felt shitty on and off from Thursday afternoon til Sunday AM. Although it sucked, it makes me hopeful that I've got a banging immune system. It's said that the shittier you feel, the stronger your immune system is capable of fighting ::)
Ah shit I hope my lack of side effects doesn’t mean my immune system sucks lol. Suppose the results of the clinical trials can’t be argued against either way
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got the j&j shot yesterday. it is kicking my ass.
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Received Pfizer dose #1 yesterday morning and had one soreness around the injection for about 12 hours and no other side effects whatsoever. Feeling very lucky and stoked to get dose #2. Most optimistic I have felt in a minute, though I know we still have a long way to go until “normalcy” returns
hell ya. glad you didn't feel like crap. I felt shitty on and off from Thursday afternoon til Sunday AM. Although it sucked, it makes me hopeful that I've got a banging immune system. It's said that the shittier you feel, the stronger your immune system is capable of fighting ::)
Ah shit I hope my lack of side effects doesn’t mean my immune system sucks lol. Suppose the results of the clinical trials can’t be argued against either way
It doesnt, dude. It's an unproven theory at best. The only thing that matters is the data.
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got my second dose of pfizer on saturday at about 4:30pm.. was totally normal until sunday morning .. had chills, a high fever and worst headache .. went to sleep sunday night with a fever and headache .. woke up today with a headache but fever is gone .. my body temperature isn’t right still as im sweating but feel cold .. feel way better today but have a slight headache and super foggy .. if i has to guess, id expect to be back to normal tomorrow morning ..
so about 12 hours after shot is when you will start feeling symptoms .. and 48 hours after that for them to pass
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24 hours following Pfizer #1, I have felt better. Body aches and feeling dehydrated with light headaches regardless of water consumption and peeing clearish. Much like when a flu is coming on, I've felt it in my back/spine as sensations of weakness. Didn't sleep particularly well either. The feelings of crumminess are most prevalent when I'm laying/sitting around and mostly dissipate when actively engaged in physical work. Still, much better than when I was sick for 2-3 weeks last January/February with what may have been Covid. Looking forward to rd 2!
Got Pfizer #1 a few hours ago... feeling okay, but I can sense I'm heading in a similar direction. I feel pretty restless/uncomfortable in my skin, which isn't unusual for me, but it's more prevalent than normal. Gonna go take a hike I think.
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Girlfriend did some digging and found a spot not far from us in wa where I was eligible for the vaccine. Got an appointment tomorrow at 12:40. Pretty excited to get it.
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got my second dose of pfizer on saturday at about 4:30pm.. was totally normal until sunday morning .. had chills, a high fever and worst headache .. went to sleep sunday night with a fever and headache .. woke up today with a headache but fever is gone .. my body temperature isn’t right still as im sweating but feel cold .. feel way better today but have a slight headache and super foggy .. if i has to guess, id expect to be back to normal tomorrow morning ..
so about 12 hours after shot is when you will start feeling symptoms .. and 48 hours after that for them to pass
yessir. that's about what went down with my first dose, without the sweats. straight up 48 hrs. woke up Sunday and felt good.
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24 hours following Pfizer #1, I have felt better. Body aches and feeling dehydrated with light headaches regardless of water consumption and peeing clearish. Much like when a flu is coming on, I've felt it in my back/spine as sensations of weakness. Didn't sleep particularly well either. The feelings of crumminess are most prevalent when I'm laying/sitting around and mostly dissipate when actively engaged in physical work. Still, much better than when I was sick for 2-3 weeks last January/February with what may have been Covid. Looking forward to rd 2!
Got Pfizer #1 a few hours ago... feeling okay, but I can sense I'm heading in a similar direction. I feel pretty restless/uncomfortable in my skin, which isn't unusual for me, but it's more prevalent than normal. Gonna go take a hike I think.
about the restlessness, it's interesting you mention it because my energy levels fluctuated like crazy, which when on the higher end of the spectrum could easily have manifested in feeling uncomfortable in my skin or anxious. Movement, when I did it, was super helpful in temporarily relieving discomfort. Weed food really helped a bit too. I also took some Claritin/antihistamine and that seemed to make difference as well. Of course that's anecdotal, but it did seemed to help. stay hydrated and keep the blood sugar at a good level
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I've been part of a Vaccine trial since November, got 2 more inpatients and then it's all wrapped-up - 80% chance of getting the vaccine, 20% the placebo.
Should find out by the end of the month if I have it or not, in Oz we're only just starting to vaccinate front line workers and over 60's at the moment so I'd probably be 6 months down the line if not for this.
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Shot one of moderna left 0 side-effects for me + roommate 3 days on now. Just a sore arm day 1. Skated and surfed every day since just fine.
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Sup homies, I got Pfizer Friday. I'd say the main side effect was feeling really lethargic. I went skating that same day and the day after but didn't really put any effort in. I did have to cross state lines to get the shot. While I could probably qualify due to BMI, I've had friends smaller than me got it all ready. The state over let people who work higher education get it sooner and have a mass evac site with greater availability. It was an hour-forty min drive. I was in and out in 20min, and that's only because I had to wait 15min after the shot.
My girlfriend got Moderna from Kroger and she had effects like mine. If you guys are looking on their websites, just keep in mind that spots randomly open and close. It's like buying tickets to a concert. She was on the site for an hour and a slot opened up only a few minutes from the house.
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Getting Pfizer round 2 in a few days, bracing myself for potential side effects. Most people I know have gotten rocked but I do have at least one friend who was fine. I felt hung over after round 1 but that may have been partly from my actual hangover. Gonna try to roll up to this one in better condition just in case it makes my immune system more responsive or something. This thread feels like Erowid for vaccines.
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Getting Pfizer round 2 in a few days, bracing myself for potential side effects. Most people I know have gotten rocked but I do have at least one friend who was fine. I felt hung over after round 1 but that may have been partly from my actual hangover. Gonna try to roll up to this one in better condition just in case it makes my immune system more responsive or something. This thread feels like Erowid for vaccines.
Get my second Moderna on Monday, bracing for similar. Contemplating scheduling a sick day for Tuesday just in case.
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Got the J&J vaccine yesterday afternoon. All fine at first, then woke up around 02:30 with a raging fever. Couldn't sleep much the rest of the night. Today is rough but kinda just like a bad hangover. My body feels awful but I'm in a great mood. Hoping it doesn't last much past today or tomorrow!
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getting shot 1 of the Moderna vaccine tomorrow with my fiance ! Fingers crossed !
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I've been trying real hard to get vaccinated but no dice. It's just like sex.
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Girlfriend just got her second appointment for 4:20pm on 4/20
...blaze it
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I've got Moderna pumping through my circulatory system! All is well! Feeling fucking STOKED honestly, like I'm a little woozy and my arm is sore as fuck - but that's no surprise.
I'm just really fucking chuffed to be one down one to go! All the best to everyone awaiting appointments! If I may recommend to my U.S. shalomies: setting it up via CVS was the easiest way (granted, I work in food service, so I'm in the 1b category).
We've got this my friends!!!!!!!!!!!! xo
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getting my first dose on my birthday next month! whole family is fully vaccinated so thats a very big relief lifted off my shoulders
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Super stoked to see everyone getting poked. I didn't experience anything after my first one outside of the arm soreness. Luckily, my wife booked my vax through walgreens so I wouldn't have to drive all the way to Augusta to the VA there.
Just a few weeks more then I get my second dose.
A month after that my tetanus booster.
Yay for shots.
Then I can go back to wearing a mask just to pretend to be a ninja.
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Just received my first shot of Pfizer, and now the second shot is scheduled for mid April just a few days before my birthday. Can't wait to be able to take public transportation again to better spots/parks, also traveling again in general.
Super stoked to see everyone getting poked.
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Just received my first shot of Pfizer, and now the second shot is scheduled for mid April just a few days before my birthday. Can't wait to be able to take public transportation again to better spots/parks, also traveling again in general.
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Super stoked to see everyone getting poked.
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I also got the first shot of the Pfizer today, and my birthday is just over 2 weeks away. It feels pretty surreal.
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Got my first Pfizer yesterday, feeling fine. Had a rough time with the Cook county website in IL, but went to the advocate website AAH.org/vaccine and it went real smooth. It's available there for people over 18 with comorbidities (I'm diabetic). There are also sites in Wisconsin. Not sure how booked they are now, but worth a look. Good luck everyone, stay safe.
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Got my first Pfizer yesterday, feeling fine. Had a rough time with the Cook county website in IL, but went to the advocate website AAH.org/vaccine and it went real smooth. It's available there for people over 18 with comorbidities (I'm diabetic). There are also sites in Wisconsin. Not sure how booked they are now, but worth a look. Good luck everyone, stay safe.
I finally got mine at Loretto on Wednesday, I ended up booking on Zocdoc. Luckily my roommates got theirs as well yesterday in Des Plaines!
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Getting poked today, very excited.
I was able to get all of my coworkers registered to get vaccinated too, which is tight.
If anyone is in Austin and needs help getting their vaccine, let me know I’ll gladly help you out.
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Very happy to see everyone doing their part and getting vaccinated. My Shelby County here in TN has had one fuck up after another as far as scheduling and actually getting people vaccinated. Our gov't found thousands of doses had gone to waste and had to step in instead of leaving it to the local Health Dept, but now that they've stepped in to help I'll be able to get my first round starting April 6. I know it isn't a permanent solution, but I'm relieved I won't have to wait until fucking August like they originally proposed.
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According to my GFs imunocompromised sister, cvs slots appear at 6am. I haven’t confirmed this myself, but I’m just passing the info.
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According to my GFs imunocompromised sister, cvs slots appear at 6am. I haven’t confirmed this myself, but I’m just passing the info.
For Maryland, where I'm getting vaxxed and everyone I know is getting vaxxed. Appointments are loading between 6a and 7a.
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My wife, just turned 44 and with no discernable major health conditions (a slight thyroid issue she takes a pill for) that would qualify her as even low-moderate risk, got a notification yesterday on the way home from our weekend road trip for a Tuesday, 9:15am appt. Were in California.
It's getting to the point where if you want a shot, you can get a shot. Just may have to work for it a slight bit, but even that gatekeeping is about to fall.
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I got the first dose of moderna on Friday. Arm hurt a bit and I went to bed an hour early. Rest of weekend was fine.
I used myturn to register months ago. Never received anything so I used Walgreens and CVS to find appointments. Ended up going through CVS for fulfillment of vaccination. The website told me to bring my insurance card but when I was there all I needed to do was show photo ID.
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Socialized health care is great until you get to watch all your neighbours get vaccinated while you sit at home and masturbate. They did unfuck my face for free, though, so it’s not without benefits.
One day, my friends!
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Second Pfizer dose update: within a few hours I started to feel tired, like I was jet lagged. Went to bed that night and developed a fever, muscle soreness, and terrible headache. Felt like I had a flu the whole next day, extremely tired and achey. Throat and nose both swollen and dry somehow. Face all hot and puffy. Slight rash on stomach. Woke up feeling a lot better today, tho maybe not quite 100%.
If that reaction was any sign of what Covid would have been like, I’m happy to deal with it for a few days instead of multiple weeks.
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Got my first dose of the pfizer yesterday. sore arm today but that's all. second dose is on 4/20.
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Got my first Pfizer a week ago. Sore arm that night and following 2 days but it was more annoying than anything.
So ready to get this done with and be able to travel again. Fuck COVID-19, get vaccinated
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health worker here. Got both doses around a month ago (pfizer, because thats what they had, would've done any on the euro market tbh). Zero issues beside a little sore arm for a day. Feeling well ever since (even though my daily haven't changed at all: mask, social distancing etc) but a great "realief" for the daily job (as i'm a dentist and have to deal with "unmasked" individual for the most part)
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Got my first shot of Pfizer last week. The sore arm only came the day after, but about an hour or two after getting it I felt a kind of dizziness/drowsiness, like I'd had a couple of beers too many. Went to bed early and was fine the day after (excluding the arm, which lasted for another day).
Can't wait for next shot, and finally meeting people again!
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Got my first microchip Tuesday, got Covid Wednesday!!! I am feeling pretty shit right now.
Next shot will for sure knock me out.
Stay safe out there.
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health worker here. Got both doses around a month ago (pfizer, because thats what they had, would've done any on the euro market tbh). Zero issues beside a little sore arm for a day. Feeling well ever since (even though my daily haven't changed at all: mask, social distancing etc) but a great "realief" for the daily job (as i'm a dentist and have to deal with "unmasked" individual for the most part)
A Q & A thread with a dentist would be awesome. Just sayin'.
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Received my second dose Moderna yesterday around lunch time. Shot itself didn't hurt, same as the first round. Returned to work to finish the day. Felt pretty normal rest of the day, had some chills last night but still unsure if it was side effect or related to the temperature inside the house. No fever ever developed, I was also chugging water which sometimes cools my core down and makes me chilly. Woke up this morning with a hell of a sore arm, sore just raising it to shower and apply deodorant. Head a bit cloudy and a slight headache, took some motrin before the shower. Was mostly gone by the time I got to the coffee shop for my coffee and banana. Have a bunch of water and pedialyte in my office to get through today, wasn't able to stay home and rest as we have some corporate visitors coming through our building today. I'll post again around the lunch today, 24 hour mark, to see if anything changes.
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gettin my second one 2day, gonna try to skate after lol
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Wife got Moderna #1 yesterday at the Disneyland drive through clinic. Literally getting a shot in your car. So weird, this world.
Anyway it hit her like a truck. Sore, tired, chills, the whole deal.
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I got my second Pfizer shot last Thursday and my side effects from it were surprisingly minimal. I had the day off for Friday and fully expected to be stuck inside for most of the day, but I woke up only with a slightly sore arm and was able to do everything I wanted to without worrying! And the soreness in my arm definitely wasn't as bad as my first shot, which was interesting.
Looks like California announced that everyone over 50 will be eligible starting April 1, and then everyone over 16 will be eligible after April 15. I know it's going to take a long time to actually vaccinated everyone, but it makes me extremely hopeful. My dad has his first shot scheduled in a few days and I'm excited to eventually be able to hug him without a mask on!
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I got my second Pfizer shot last Thursday and my side effects from it were surprisingly minimal. I had the day off for Friday and fully expected to be stuck inside for most of the day, but I woke up only with a slightly sore arm and was able to do everything I wanted to without worrying! And the soreness in my arm definitely wasn't as bad as my first shot, which was interesting.
Looks like California announced that everyone over 50 will be eligible starting April 1, and then everyone over 16 will be eligible after April 15. I know it's going to take a long time to actually vaccinated everyone, but it makes me extremely hopeful. My dad has his first shot scheduled in a few days and I'm excited to eventually be able to hug him without a mask on!
I feel this. My dad is 66 and has no spleen and Parkinsons and as of last 10 days or so, is fully vaxxed (as am I) He got to hug his grandkids (and me) for the first time in a year, and man....it fucking ruled.
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got my second shot on tuesday. was fucked up yesterday but i’m good now
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Encouraging.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
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Encouraging.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
Damn, this is super good news because it means that just one shot of Pfizer or Moderna is more effective than expected at preventing infections (80%!) and that both vaccines are more effective than previously thought at preventing asymptomatic infections!
(Correct me if I'm wrong on either of these points though. I don't want to get my hopes up and be one of those people spreading misinformation)
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Got my first dose today. Not noticing any side effects, the guy next to me threw up like 5 minutes after he got his shot though.
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I'm a week and a few days into my first dose of Moderna. My girlfriend has had no side effects, I felt extremely tired for a few hours the day after. Both of our arms were in tremendous pain from the shot
Psyched to start licking doorknobs again
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I'm a week and a few days into my first dose of Moderna. My girlfriend has had no side effects, I felt extremely tired for a few hours the day after. Both of our arms were in tremendous pain from the shot
Psyched to start licking doorknobs again
second pfizer dose was saturday lets get it ... feel like dogshit for 3 days and a lot of ppl my age judge me for getting vaccinated but im type one diabetic so fuck them hatin anti vax kooks
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I'm scheduled for tomorrow
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so fuck them hatin anti vax kooks
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got the email for 2nd appt this morning. After Thursday, I'm fully in. not looking forward to feeling like shit for another weekend but whatever. it's gonna be done
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Haven't gone through all the pages so not sure how people on here are feeling about the vaccine but I'd be happy to share my experience.
A little info, I work in the health care field, Social Work Counseling for individuals with intellectual disabilities. So after initially being offered it and taking my time to think about it, I finally went for it. Having family and close friends pass away from COVID-19, definitely influenced me in getting it.
With that being said, I got Pfizer, 1st dose in February. 2nd dose, early March. The only noticeable effect I felt was during the second day soreness in the upper half of my left arm (vaccinated side). For 2nd dose, I felt the soreness again during second day but this time only in upper part of arm, area where I was vaccinated. That is it. I have heard of others who have felt tired, with high temperatures, and such. Fortunately, that is all I felt.
We know this is a personal decision. Do your own research from factual scientifically data, none of those "meme facts", she said, he said stuff. Hope everyone is staying safe and don't let your guard down even if vaccinated.
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So i quantified my antibodies and i have 1520 U/L. I guess thats ok, collegues from work ranged from 600 to 2500.
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A little info, I work in the health care field, Social Work Counseling for individuals with intellectual disabilities. So after initially being offered it and taking my time to think about it, I finally went for it. Having family and close friends pass away from COVID-19, definitely influenced me in getting it.
Similar situation.
I work in homeless services, but as the Executive Director of an org. I have little-to-no client interaction unless there is a serious problem I have to intervene with. Our local health care agency asked us for a list of staff back in October or November, in order of priority, for vaccination. We didnt hear back until early February. My name was on the list despite being low-risk, and low-interaction with the public at my position. I thought about whether or not I should take it for a second too, but someone very quickly slapped some sense into me and said that if I get offered the vaccination, I needed to take it. No ifs, ands, or buts. It isnt like we jumped the line - we had it offered to us, and mass immunity is the only thing that matters. Im glad I took it of course. It's almost a moot point now as availability keeps jumping up. I did get shamed a bit by someone I knew. That was fucking lame.
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Kinda scared honestly... Right now only older people are getting them and I'm fine with that. The later I have to get it the better
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i haven't been keeping up with this thread, so i'm not sure if this has come up, but in the Detroit News today, there's an article regarding 246 people who had been vaccinated, catching Covid after:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/05/246-vaccinated-residents-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/
especially shit news really, considering how things are right now here in Michigan.
i am not sharing this to discourage anyone at all--get those vaccines ya'll...just to remind people to be mindful and cautious one way or the other...
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i haven't been keeping up with this thread, so i'm not sure if this has come up, but in the Detroit News today, there's an article regarding 246 people who had been vaccinated, catching Covid after:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/05/246-vaccinated-residents-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/
especially shit news really, considering how things are right now here in Michigan.
i am not sharing this to discourage anyone at all--get those vaccines ya'll...just to remind people to be mindful and cautious one way or the other...
Not an expert myself, but here is a quick calculation :
2 950 000 Michigan residents are fully vaccinated (from the article)
246 were fully vaccinated and caught the virus anyways : that's 0,008%
3 died : less than 1/1 000 000
Statistically it's good news and evidence the vaccine is working, but still 3 losses so absolutely remain mindful and cautious
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Now I can schedule my tattoo!!! I put a few hundred down right when covid hit.
I didn't wanna get anyone sick. Now I'm good to go after I get my next dose.
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So i quantified my antibodies and i have 1520 U/L. I guess thats ok, collegues from work ranged from 600 to 2500.
Are you going to re-test after a few weeks? Heard that antibodies might drop but that t cells will take over. Thus, I am curious to hear how the values develop over time.
EDIT: congrats to anyone getting their shot(s), most of US are still waiting here in Germany/Austria.
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Yeah, i‘m goong to retest after the summer.
I just want to see if it drops or not and if how much.
So i just quantified to know where i start at.
It‘s pointless if quantify it in 6 months and don‘t know what the initial count was.
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A little info, I work in the health care field, Social Work Counseling for individuals with intellectual disabilities. So after initially being offered it and taking my time to think about it, I finally went for it. Having family and close friends pass away from COVID-19, definitely influenced me in getting it.
Similar situation.
Good for you. I am also glad you go it. Forget the people trying to shame you.
I work in homeless services, but as the Executive Director of an org. I have little-to-no client interaction unless there is a serious problem I have to intervene with. Our local health care agency asked us for a list of staff back in October or November, in order of priority, for vaccination. We didnt hear back until early February. My name was on the list despite being low-risk, and low-interaction with the public at my position. I thought about whether or not I should take it for a second too, but someone very quickly slapped some sense into me and said that if I get offered the vaccination, I needed to take it. No ifs, ands, or buts. It isnt like we jumped the line - we had it offered to us, and mass immunity is the only thing that matters. Im glad I took it of course. It's almost a moot point now as availability keeps jumping up. I did get shamed a bit by someone I knew. That was fucking lame.
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Got the first Moderna shot a couple weeks ago. Got it at noon and was feeling like shit within 4 hours. Fever, chills, and body aches and super tired for the next day. Pretty sure I had covid last March so maybe that’s why the first shot gave me the side effects. Most sore arm I’ve ever had from a shot. Within two days everything was back to normal like it never happened. Getting the second shot in 2 weeks and I’m hoping the first one did the worst of it to me.
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i haven't been keeping up with this thread, so i'm not sure if this has come up, but in the Detroit News today, there's an article regarding 246 people who had been vaccinated, catching Covid after:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/05/246-vaccinated-residents-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/
especially shit news really, considering how things are right now here in Michigan.
i am not sharing this to discourage anyone at all--get those vaccines ya'll...just to remind people to be mindful and cautious one way or the other...
Not an expert myself, but here is a quick calculation :
2 950 000 Michigan residents are fully vaccinated (from the article)
246 were fully vaccinated and caught the virus anyways : that's 0,008%
3 died : less than 1/1 000 000
Statistically it's good news and evidence the vaccine is working, but still 3 losses so absolutely remain mindful and cotious
2 of those 3 deaths were people who were 65 and older who were within three weeks of getting fully vaccinated. The article goes on to talk about how the CDC is researching how it can take longer for the vaccine to be fully effective for older adults.
I'm not trying to downplay this either, but just trying to look on the brightside of things. Everyone get those vaccines if they can!
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I get my second Pfizer on Thursday. I'm more than fucking ready to take public transit and work. The other day I dapped a GX guy at waller. haven't had to deal w 'rule-breaking' in Covid because I moved across the country last July and I live with my gf's 60-something parents and I don't know anyone here. I was home for a month and spent time maskless inside with one vaccinated friend. maybe I can make friends at work
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Got the first Moderna shot a couple weeks ago. Got it at noon and was feeling like shit within 4 hours. Fever, chills, and body aches and super tired for the next day. Pretty sure I had covid last March so maybe that’s why the first shot gave me the side effects. Most sore arm I’ve ever had from a shot. Within two days everything was back to normal like it never happened. Getting the second shot in 2 weeks and I’m hoping the first one did the worst of it to me.
yeah man, I'm in the same boat except it was late January. My boss had flown to Chicago for holidays and soon after returning her whole family was sick as fuck, all three kids had temps over 101, one hit 104 and projectile vomited in the store. Of course she came to work... This was right around the time I flew coast to coast from one major int'l hub to another and back. I was hella sick and got some sort of ear infection that has left me with tinnitus, which seems to be one of the possible, yet really still unstudied, effects of Covid 19. shit sucked and still sucks. I'm going in for round 2 Thursday and hope I don't feel as awful as I did with round 1.
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Got the J&J last night about 6. County run event, first come, first serve. They’re taking anyone 16+. I’ve been feeling hungover all day, pretty bad this AM. Missed work - I’m doing a roof right now and have no business on ladders or operating power tools. Still highly recommend.
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Got the J&J last night about 6. County run event, first come, first serve. They’re taking anyone 16+. I’ve been feeling hungover all day, pretty bad this AM. Missed work - I’m doing a roof right now and have no business on ladders or operating power tools. Still highly recommend.
I got mine (j&j) Saturday a.m., was a little spacey and tired the rest of the day.
Went skating Sunday a.m. and was still dragging a bit but not too bad.
Crazy part is, Sunday afternoon my seasonal allergy symptoms went batshit crazy, like I didn’t even take my allergy med (OTC Allegra) which normally handles things for me.
Full on itchy throat, scratching until my eyelids are raw, sneezy & snotty.
It’s intermittent at this point, just leaves me wondering if there’s any correlation.
When I get a cold/flu, I don’t have the itchiness, so I think it’s just coincidence...
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I just uploaded 2nd Pfizer poke into my arm drive.
I’m “feeling” safer already.
Crossing my fingers for a relatively side affect free next day or so, as I’ve scheduled a skate session for tomorrow, and come heck or high water, I’m going skating dammit.
That is all.
Shalomage to all.
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I just uploaded 2nd Pfizer poke into my arm drive.
I’m “feeling” safer already.
Crossing my fingers for a relatively side affect free next day or so, as I’ve scheduled a skate session for tomorrow, and come heck or high water, I’m going skating dammit.
That is all.
Shalomage to all.
Awesome, kudos. Just feels like Pfizer overall is a much better experience with less side effects. Our whole staff of 30+ got Pfizer and I think one person had some mild fatigue/lethargy/soreness.
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got the second moderna one on sunday and my wife got it monday. we've both been sick as shit. here's the break down. i'm 47 and she's 42. i got it because i have asthma and she because she works with elderly folks. definitely feel fortunate and would do this again but damn it's been a little rough.
1st shot
Me
- sore arm for a day or so
wife
- really sore arm and some body aches and tiredness for a few days
2nd shot
me
- really sore arm day of
- sore arm for next 2 days
- next day really started feeling bad around 3pm or so (i got it at 11:15 am previous day)
- body aches really bad, felt like was in a car wreck or something
- fatigued
- weird stomach ache
- head ache
- sore core/spine/kidneys
- at night chills and fever
- day 2
- feeling better but still sore arm
- fatigued
- sore core/spine/kidneys
- day 3 (today)
- first day that i felt good enough to exercise
- got dizzy several times exercising
- fatigued
wife
- really similar to me but she is one day behind and feeling better. she trimmed one day off my outcomes
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I got the Johnson and Johnson a few days ago and the next morning I had basically what you described Sleazy but just for the day. Along with lots of nausea and throwing up that morning. The next day, today, I feel ok. Went skateboarding too for a bit.
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Got my first round of the Pfizer dose around 10:30 this morning. No noticeable side-effects. Arm isn't too sore, but I've been moving it around as much as I can to keep it from getting to that point. Getting my second dose the 29th of this month.
Hoping I don't experience the same shit you all are mentioning, but we shall see. Just relieved that I can worry a little less about getting my wife sick.
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Got my second Pfizer shot Wednesday. I was fine for the rest of day. The night it got bad. My body started to ache as if I had a heavy session earlier that day, and the adrenaline was wearing off. Then I had a headache. I could not sleep. The next morning the headache was worse. I was extremely fatigued and still sore, on top of just feeling like I had a common cold. I called out of work. By that evening I was fine again.
My first shot had no major effects. But that second one was rough. Today I'm fine. Make sure you schedule accordingly dudes. I'd recommend not having anything too important scheduled the day after.
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Got my second Pfizer shot Wednesday. I was fine for the rest of day. The night it got bad. My body started to ache as if I had a heavy session earlier that day, and the adrenaline was wearing off. Then I had a headache. I could not sleep. The next morning the headache was worse. I was extremely fatigued and still sore, on top of just feeling like I had a common cold. I called out of work. By that evening I was fine again.
My first shot had no major effects. But that second one was rough. Today I'm fine. Make sure you schedule accordingly dudes. I'd recommend not having anything too important scheduled the day after.
Whats your health history like? Are you active, any prior health issues, things like that? I read about 2nd shot side effects all the time and wonder if personal facts like lifestyle choices, health issues have anything to do with how the side effects, affect
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My old man got his second shot on Wednesday, feeling so so relieved! Mom's due for her second shot on the 23rd .... it's just been hard getting them scheduled even though they've been in the highest risk categories all along. So so fucking happy they're almost all done! Pops (Pfizer recipient) only had a mild reaction to the 2nd shot, on the day after receiving it. But like the trooper he is, he still managed to take his daily walk and teach his class (he's an adjunct prof) that evening .... so fucking cool :)
2nd shot safety is a fabulous recommendation, in terms of scheduling the next day off if you are able to! I'm hoping I can do the same, but I will be starting a new job soon ... so fingers crossed! Either way, we're all here to hear you out and let you know the symptoms are normal & you'll feel a-okay very soon! All the best my friends, we're almost there!
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Got my second Pfizer shot Wednesday. I was fine for the rest of day. The night it got bad. My body started to ache as if I had a heavy session earlier that day, and the adrenaline was wearing off. Then I had a headache. I could not sleep. The next morning the headache was worse. I was extremely fatigued and still sore, on top of just feeling like I had a common cold. I called out of work. By that evening I was fine again.
My first shot had no major effects. But that second one was rough. Today I'm fine. Make sure you schedule accordingly dudes. I'd recommend not having anything too important scheduled the day after.
Whats your health history like? Are you active, any prior health issues, things like that? I read about 2nd shot side effects all the time and wonder if personal facts like lifestyle choices, health issues have anything to do with how the side effects, affect
I skate 3 or 4 times a week. maybe 15ish lbs overweight. I'm not fit, but I don't have any major health issues.
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I got the second Pfizer dose an hour ago; feeling fine so far. Same with my gf.
I wouldn't mind feeling kinda shitty so I can avoid work tomorrow lol.
Hyped on being fully vaccinated though. It won't really change anything with the precautions I take, but I can at least see my fam a bit more often (they're all vaccinated already).
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I got the second Pfizer dose an hour ago; feeling fine so far. Same with my gf.
I wouldn't mind feeling kinda shitty so I can avoid work tomorrow lol.
Hyped on being fully vaccinated though. It won't really change anything with the precautions I take, but I can at least see my fam a bit more often (they're all vaccinated already).
yeeeeeah kid! I'm fully vaxxed with Pfizer as of last Thursday. good for you man!
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I'm one dose in on Pfizer, with dose two on Wednesday.
I'm 48. First dose had just a sore arm for a day. Fingers crossed for no big side effects on round 2.
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I got the first Moderna shot the other day, and didn't feel out of the ordinary. Maybe a slight fever in the night. Headache, muscle aches, etc. but I basically feel that way 90% of the time, so nothing out of the ordinary. So happy to get it, I swear I almost teared up when I got called up last minute by the state with an empty slot.
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got JJ a couple days ago. headachey on the day after but nothing a tylenol couldn't remedy.
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Got my second Pfizer shot Wednesday. I was fine for the rest of day. The night it got bad. My body started to ache as if I had a heavy session earlier that day, and the adrenaline was wearing off. Then I had a headache. I could not sleep. The next morning the headache was worse. I was extremely fatigued and still sore, on top of just feeling like I had a common cold. I called out of work. By that evening I was fine again.
My first shot had no major effects. But that second one was rough. Today I'm fine. Make sure you schedule accordingly dudes. I'd recommend not having anything too important scheduled the day after.
Whats your health history like? Are you active, any prior health issues, things like that? I read about 2nd shot side effects all the time and wonder if personal facts like lifestyle choices, health issues have anything to do with how the side effects, affect
Generally the better your immune system the more severe the side effects are likely to be so if you're worried about them I'd stop exercising, stay out of the sun and eat nothing but Mcdonalds asap
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https://apnews.com/article/us-pause-j-and-j-vaccine-blood-clot-reports-2dde2aacf486bab59844ef907a28cbce
“The U.S. is recommending a “pause” in using the single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate reports of potentially dangerous blood clots.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration said Tuesday they were investigating unusual clots that occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination. The clots occurred in veins that drain blood from the brain and occurred together with low platelets. All six cases were in women between the ages of 18 and 48; there was one death and all remained under investigation.”
This appears to be similar to a response people had to Pfizer and Moderna as well:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/health/immune-thrombocytopenia-covid-vaccine-blood.html
“One day after receiving her first dose of Moderna’s Covid vaccine, Luz Legaspi, 72, woke up with bruises on her arms and legs, and blisters that bled inside her mouth.
She was hospitalized in New York City that day, Jan. 19, with a severe case of immune thrombocytopenia — a lack of platelets, a blood component essential for clotting.
The same condition led to the death in January of Dr. Gregory Michael, 56, an obstetrician in Miami Beach whose symptoms appeared three days after he received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Treatments failed to restore his platelets, and after two weeks in the hospital he died from a brain hemorrhage.”
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https://apnews.com/article/us-pause-j-and-j-vaccine-blood-clot-reports-2dde2aacf486bab59844ef907a28cbce
“The U.S. is recommending a “pause” in using the single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate reports of potentially dangerous blood clots.
Approximate chance of a blood clot with J&J Vaccine : 1 in 1,000,000 (6 cases in 6.5M)
Approximate chance of a blood clot for smokers : 1,763 in 1,000,000.
Approximate chance of a blood clot if you get Covid : 165,000 in 1,000,000. 165 thousand times that of getting the J&J vaccine.
Get the vaccine.
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Got my second Pfizer dose on Saturday. 15 minutes after the shot, got a very minor headache and felt slightly nauseous. Other than that, felt completely fine through the next few days. Was able to go on a job etc. and didn't feel a thing.
Day 4, I now have grown scales and am telepathically communicating with my (our) reptilian overlordz.
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Got J&J about 10 days ago, no side effects.
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Just received the second dose of Pfizer today! It's been a few hours by now and I'm feeling fine so far, just a slight arm soreness but way less compared to last time.
My bday is this weekend, so if I end up feeling sick hopefully I can recover before then because I'd like to get a skate sesh in but if not I'm just relieved to finally be fully vaccinated.
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Just received the second dose of Pfizer today! It's been a few hours by now and I'm feeling fine so far, just a slight arm soreness but way less compared to last time.
My bday is this weekend, so if I end up feeling sick hopefully I can recover before then because I'd like to get a skate sesh in but if not I'm just relieved to finally be fully vaccinated.
Same boat, got my second dose today. Congrats on immunization
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Where I live they’re opening up vaccinations to younger people, but only in specific area codes...I live 10 feet to far north outside of that zone to get one. Also moving in about a month to a city with less cases, so it’ll probably be even longer until I’m able to get one.
On the plus side a few members of my family have been able to get their first shots.
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https://apnews.com/article/us-pause-j-and-j-vaccine-blood-clot-reports-2dde2aacf486bab59844ef907a28cbce
“The U.S. is recommending a “pause” in using the single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate reports of potentially dangerous blood clots.
Approximate chance of a blood clot with J&J Vaccine : 1 in 1,000,000 (6 cases in 6.5M)
Approximate chance of a blood clot for smokers : 1,763 in 1,000,000.
Approximate chance of a blood clot if you get Covid : 165,000 in 1,000,000. 165 thousand times that of getting the J&J vaccine.
Get the vaccine.
Yes. 1 in a million seems like a very small number to pause J and J when they’ve only delivered 6.9 million doses of a 100 million dose contract for America.
I am a little worried though because there have now been reports of this blood platelet issue from every vaccine. Maybe Europe is being overly cautious, but Germany, Italy, Sweden, Latvia, Spain, and Ireland all paused the AstraZeneca vaccine as well.
And all this comes after last week’s fuckup at the Baltimore plant where J and J ruined 15 million doses.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/10/us-states-face-steep-decline-in-jj-vaccine-next-week-as-feds-work-to-approve-baltimore-plant.html
“Workers at the Baltimore plant several weeks ago mixed up ingredients for the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines, which led to roughly 15 million ruined J&J doses.”
Wish the US could get their act together!
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Hamburg just opened apointments for my profession (social worker in a homeless shelter) - got lucky and will get my first shot of Biontech tomorrow. my clients will get j&j at some point, cause of the single dose. hope it will not be cancelled, because that will make health care for this special group much easier.
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dose 1 of AZ today - so far so good
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https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/4/14/denmark-ditches-astrazenecas-covid-19-shot-over-blood-clot-risks
Denmark has become the first country to halt all use of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine after recent reports of rare but serious side effects among a small minority of recipients of the shot.
the Danish Health Authority said in a statement on Wednesday that the results of its own investigations showed there was a “real risk of severe side effects associated with using the COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca”.
The agency’s head, Soren Brostrom, said the probe indicated one in 40,000 recipients of the shot would develop serious side effects.
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what a nightmare world. hey guys, we need to be forcefully vaccinated with papers to prove it to grab groceries, anyone who doesn't agree be sure to treat them like a second class citizen. mask up, stay safe, stay sterile.
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Got my second dose of the Pfizer yesterday. Got a bit of a head ache last night into today and over all just feel kind of tired. Hoping this is all of it but at least i'm done with it now.
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I got my second dose yesterday of pfizer. Took a nap right after and woke up just a little sore but not much else to report on the after effects.
Of course, I'm still masking up but now I don't feel like I'm frivolously jeopardizing my family by going out to the skatepark.
Cheers to brighter futures for us all.
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Fuck yes Cheers my friends! My turn for shot 2 tomorrow, both the hubby & I! PHEW! As well as my Mom, then both her and pops will be fully vaxxed - which is a huge relief cause they're both in their 60s & have conditions. All the best my friends, we're making it through this shit no doubt!
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you dumb asses know masks do close to nothing to prevent corunka, right? you're getting vaxxed and still have to "mask up" indefinitely until center for disease promotion and world hoax organization tell you that you can stop. yet i bet you all think religion is silly. total hopeless npc's lol.
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you dumb asses know masks do close to nothing to prevent corunka, right? you're getting vaxxed and still have to "mask up" indefinitely until center for disease promotion and world hoax organization tell you that you can stop. yet i bet you all think religion is silly. total hopeless npc's lol.
You must really hate yourself to have this much negativity in your life. Unless you’re trolling. If so get fucked.
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Getting my second pfizer dose the 30th. GF is already vaccinated and all my close friends are on their way also. Can't wait to be through this
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2 weeks post J&J. Fully vaxed.
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Got my second Pfizer dose on Saturday. 15 minutes after the shot, got a very minor headache and felt slightly nauseous. Other than that, felt completely fine through the next few days. Was able to go on a job etc. and didn't feel a thing.
Day 4, I now have grown scales and am telepathically communicating with my (our) reptilian overlordz.
Dude, I swear that's pretty much what I spout to people when it comes to Covid (in jest of course)...and global warmingwe're being terraformed ...Covid Vaccine? We're now edible/ready for [full] mind control.
Got my Pfirst Pfizer shot last week, second shot is May 8th (long stretch).
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got my second moderna dose yesterday. started feeling chills, fatigue, muscle-ache, and other fever-like symptoms a few hours later, must be all the microchips. symptoms were pretty bad this morning and kinda felt them throughout the day, but i definitely feel better now
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Got my second Pfizer dose Monday, by the time I got home it felt like I lost a fight. Thankfully feeling better today and back to work tomorrow but it was fucking brutal. Did anyone else get fucking rocked by it or was it just me and my immune system being buns?
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Got my second Pfizer dose Monday, by the time I got home it felt like I lost a fight. Thankfully feeling better today and back to work tomorrow but it was fucking brutal. Did anyone else get fucking rocked by it or was it just me and my immune system being buns?
I got my first one yesterday and not feeling too great right now. Not looking forward to second one.
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Got my second Pfizer dose Monday, by the time I got home it felt like I lost a fight. Thankfully feeling better today and back to work tomorrow but it was fucking brutal. Did anyone else get fucking rocked by it or was it just me and my immune system being buns?
I got my first one yesterday and not feeling too great right now. Not looking forward to second one.
After my 2nd dose, I felt extreme fatigue and aches in my back for some reason. I felt fine by the 2nd-3rd day afterward.
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Got my second Pfizer dose Monday, by the time I got home it felt like I lost a fight. Thankfully feeling better today and back to work tomorrow but it was fucking brutal. Did anyone else get fucking rocked by it or was it just me and my immune system being buns?
I got my first one yesterday and not feeling too great right now. Not looking forward to second one.
After my 2nd dose, I felt extreme fatigue and aches in my back for some reason. I felt fine by the 2nd-3rd day afterward.
Yo those back aches were no joke, that shit was awful!
I’m glad it’s passed and I’m back at work but I legitimately did not expect to be put down so fucking hard.
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I get my second Pfizer dose in a week and now I'm worried I'm going to get bodied. I wouldn't be so concerned except that the day after I get the shot is my baby's first b-day and I'd rather not be writhing in agony for it. Maybe I'll reschedule for the following weekend or something so it doesn't interfere too much.
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Getting my initial moderna shot Disaturday anyone else got it and if so what was your side effects?
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Getting my initial moderna shot Disaturday anyone else got it and if so what was your side effects?
Fuck yeah congrats Fap! Just got shot 2 of Moderna today, fuck yes! Shot 1 made me drowsy and very mildly woozy but nothing more - hopefully shot 2 is similar, but we'll see! Averagely, shot 2 is the ringer as far as reactions go. Nevertheless, you should be a-okay at the very least for shot 1! Best of luck my friend, keep us updated!
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Got my second Moderna shot on Tuesday at 6pm. By 9 I was feeling the chills and aches. When I woke up Wednesday I was even worse, and as the day went on it only got worse. Crazy joint and muscle pains, an insane skin sensitivity, headache and fatigue. Felt very similar to when I assume I had covid last year, but without the coughing up blood aspect.
Feeling slightly better today but still called in to work because I’m nowhere near 100%.
Still not nearly as bad as the fucking month that I was sick last year and the months of coughing and shit that I dealt with afterwards. Would get the shot again, but scheduled for a Friday so I don’t miss work again.
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Getting my initial moderna shot Disaturday anyone else got it and if so what was your side effects?
I got mine on 4/20... My arm is super fucking swollen. Like the size of a tennis ball bump where i got the shot... Arm hurts super bad. Also last night I had a gnarly fever... Feel a little better today but I am still feeling a little weird. I had covid last year... Apparently people who had it have a reaction to the vaccine... I heard the second dose is worse... So I'm a little worried, but in the end it will be worth it I'm sure.
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Getting my initial moderna shot Disaturday anyone else got it and if so what was your side effects?
Got dose 1 of Moderna a few weeks ago. Some arm pain the next day but that was it - was able to ride 30 miles on my bike no problem. The nurse told me to hydrate like crazy and I think that helped. Still nervous for how I’ll react to dose 2.
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I’ve been dodging getting vaccinated for I hate needles but I’m moving so I have to do this for right now and where I land I’ll get another shot.
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Hey Pals! Here to share my vaccination story.
I got my first dose of Moderna the weekend before starting a new job. I had zero symptoms with the first dose save for a sore arm.
I actually got my second shot while quarantining. Roommate had a positive test, so my gf and I acted as his personal bell hop for door dash and other food deliveries. To his credit, he stayed in his room 95% of the time and would mask up when he had to go into common areas. I got tested twice after his diagnosis. We have a rapid testing drive thru station, and I had 2 negative tests over the last week.
I got my second dose last Friday. Felt good enough to have a couple beers Friday night, and I was keeping in contact with my family members who all had their second dose. My parents did completely fine with their second dose. My brother, who had his the day before mine, warned me that around the 35th hour afterwards, he was having some sweats and chills. The worst it got for me was that sort of feeling of achey-ness that usually makes me ask "Am I getting sick right now"? I took my temp and was at 98.6, which is up a degree or degree in a half to my natural temp.
Besides that, my girlfriend rolled over in her sleep on my arm and that hurt pretty good, but all in all nothing too crazy for me personally. Set to return to work this Saturday, and I got a non rapid test at my doc yesterday, so will know either way by the end of tomorrow.
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Got my 1st AZ shot yesterday (our roll out here in Canada is horrible)...went to bed with a sore arm, as expected, but today have had crazy aches in my ribcage, headache and ran a fever that I tried to nap through. My wife being the saint she is said "get up I need help with dinner" so I laboured through some stirfry. Am now back on the couch exhausted from 20 mins of effort.
But the new soy sauce was good - San J tamari.
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just plain fucking wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/us/florida-centner-academy-vaccine.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage
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just plain fucking wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/us/florida-centner-academy-vaccine.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage
Wow. Hopefully anyone with any sense has pulled their kids from that school. Maddening it can even continue to exist.
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just plain fucking wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/us/florida-centner-academy-vaccine.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage
Wow. Hopefully anyone with any sense has pulled their kids from that school. Maddening it can even continue to exist.
"The school prominently advertises on its website support for “medical freedom from mandated vaccines.” - Nope. The parents signed up and paid for this. I'm at a loss.
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just plain fucking wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/us/florida-centner-academy-vaccine.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage
Wow. Hopefully anyone with any sense has pulled their kids from that school. Maddening it can even continue to exist.
"The school prominently advertises on its website support for “medical freedom from mandated vaccines.” - Nope. The parents signed up and paid for this. I'm at a loss.
Article also shows the head of the school has been touting vaccination misinformation. I'm sure all the kids who are in this school all have parents who have the same ideology as her. Also, not surprised this is in Florida.
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just plain fucking wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/us/florida-centner-academy-vaccine.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage
Wow. Hopefully anyone with any sense has pulled their kids from that school. Maddening it can even continue to exist.
"The school prominently advertises on its website support for “medical freedom from mandated vaccines.” - Nope. The parents signed up and paid for this. I'm at a loss.
Article also shows the head of the school has been touting vaccination misinformation. I'm sure all the kids who are in this school all have parents who have the same ideology as her. Also, not surprised this is in Florida.
even worse is that 9 out of 10 of these kids will end up living as adults with these same ideologies
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Got my second Moderna shot on Sunday. Was up all night shivering and sweating and with an awful headache. Feeling okay today and skated a bit. Def better than getting COVID and/or giving it to my family.
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Got my second moderna on Friday. Slightly sore arm. When I got the first shot, I was a little achy.
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White House made an announcement stating, "If you're FULLY vaccinated and are outside NOT in a large group/crowded area, you can go without a mask."
I can't imagine how many people will take this as, "Even if you have Covid, you can go without a mask all the time."
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Was walking out of breakfast with a few friends on Saturday, still had our masks on, and had some drunk dude and his friends come up to us and scream "You're gonna die! Keep breathing in your own CO2 you idiots!". Very chill way to start the afternoon.
2nd dose scheduled for this weekend, hoping the recovery period is brief/mild.
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got my 1st pfizer last thursday.. been almost a week since and im finally kind of feeling alright again. first 2 days my arm was so sore i couldnt really even raise it up in the air. body aches and a headache and fever also for 4-5 days. i eat pretty healthy (vegan) and maybe my body isnt used to foreign invaders im not sure. kind of dont want to go through the same ordeal on the 2nd :( i hope the 2nd shot is easier
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I almost went completely insane on some old dude today. He got in the elevator without a mask on and said, "It is ok, I've been vaccinated."
I'm glad the rest of you guys are getting your vaccines. I can't wait to get mine. Good luck pushing through those side effects.
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I had my first Pfizer shot a couple weeks ago. Sore arm. A little fatigue. Nothing worse.
Hoping for a similar outcome when I get my second shot next week.
Good luck, all.
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I’m still out here like “man...Trudeau is fuckin’ up!”
Then I remember:
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Yeah I’m definitely happy to be in Canada throughout all this, but getting stimulus checks and timely vaccines would’ve been nice too. My partner works with the elderly and I work in hospitals and other high traffic areas, but because we’re under 55 we have to wait at least another month or two for our first dose.
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Yeah I’m definitely happy to be in Canada throughout all this, but getting stimulus checks and timely vaccines would’ve been nice too. My partner works with the elderly and I work in hospitals and other high traffic areas, but because we’re under 55 we have to wait at least another month or two for our first dose.
That’s it, I’m rigging up a bio-reactor in the garage. BRB.
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Do you guys think weed would help with side effects from the 2nd shot? Or would it bring on some paranoid state where you think the vaccine is killing your body?
Maybe I'll just stick to chicken soup or pho...
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I wouldn't do anything mind/mood altering with the vaccinations. With all the variations in reactivity, it's best to be sharp and on the lookout for whatever is outside the norms.
For example, both my wife and daughter had tender lymph nodes on the armpit area the side that was vaccinated a few days out as the only side effect they experienced. Luckily, wife had the presence of mind to research and discover it is quite common.
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I smoked a ton of weed the next day after my J&J shot. But I always smoke when I have a fever or headache since it helps make it go away. That’s just me.
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Canadian here, they vaccinated 60 or so people with AstraZeneca at my job yesterday, about 20 of ‘em are out sick, apparently the side effects are terrible.
Waitin’ on the Pfizer one to be available for people in my age group.
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I wouldn't do anything mind/mood altering with the vaccinations. With all the variations in reactivity, it's best to be sharp and on the lookout for whatever is outside the norms.
For example, both my wife and daughter had tender lymph nodes on the armpit area the side that was vaccinated a few days out as the only side effect they experienced. Luckily, wife had the presence of mind to research and discover it is quite common.
Thanks for your comment, will probably lay off the weed for a few days then. Glad your family was otherwise okay.
I took a shot of vodka after my first dose of Pfizer and went to bed at 9, felt okay since... just a little muscle pain in the arm.
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This thread is crazy man. Either you guys are way more brave than I am or you just question shit way less ... as of right now, you are all still in the clinical trial phase of a new technology (that has never in the past received approval for human use), long term effects are still unknown and you can still potentially get and spread even after getting vaccinated. They're still even recommending all of the same precautions as if you didn't have it for the most part. So lessening symptoms in your own body (maybe although some people get worse symptoms when they come across it in the wild) and virtue signaling are the only things you have to show for getting it? I respect everyone's right to choose what's right for them, but I'll be waiting until studies conclude before I do anything and I can't see how anyone can shit on someone for not getting it yet. Sorry if my critical thinking and being cautious of experimental drugs knocks me down a peg on here pals. Open to any constructive criticism with valid proof to back up anything I may have wrong here as I'm always open to learning.
"On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. The issuance of an EUA is different than an FDA approval (licensure) of a vaccine." (i.e. it has not been approved)
Source: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general)
The earliest completion of phase 3 trials I can find is the end of 2021 with some going into 2022/23
Source: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1)
You may still get and spread the virus. You may need boosters in the future. You still won't be going back to normal as the following on the cdc website points out.
"Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.
We’re also still learning how long COVID-19 vaccines protect people.
For these reasons, people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 should keep taking precautions in public places, until we know more, like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html)
Hopefully I'm just way too cautious and you all will be healthy and happy and have no side effects!
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This thread is crazy man. Either you guys are way more brave than I am or you just question shit way less ... as of right now, you are all still in the clinical trial phase of a new technology (that has never in the past received approval for human use), long term effects are still unknown and you can still potentially get and spread even after getting vaccinated. They're still even recommending all of the same precautions as if you didn't have it for the most part. So lessening symptoms in your own body (maybe although some people get worse symptoms when they come across it in the wild) and virtue signaling are the only things you have to show for getting it? I respect everyone's right to choose what's right for them, but I'll be waiting until studies conclude before I do anything and I can't see how anyone can shit on someone for not getting it yet. Sorry if my critical thinking and being cautious of experimental drugs knocks me down a peg on here pals. Open to any constructive criticism with valid proof to back up anything I may have wrong here as I'm always open to learning.
"On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. The issuance of an EUA is different than an FDA approval (licensure) of a vaccine." (i.e. it has not been approved)
Source: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general)
The earliest completion of phase 3 trials I can find is the end of 2021 with some going into 2022/23
Source: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1)
You may still get and spread the virus. You may need boosters in the future. You still won't be going back to normal as the following on the cdc website points out.
"Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.
We’re also still learning how long COVID-19 vaccines protect people.
For these reasons, people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 should keep taking precautions in public places, until we know more, like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html)
Hopefully I'm just way too cautious and you all will be healthy and happy and have no side effects!
I took the vaccine because I trust modern medicine and the scientists who developed the vaccines more than any crackpot internet conspiracy theorist (not labeling you as such, just making a point). Vaccines are an amazing scientific achievement by humanity and have saved millions of lives. You get vaccinated at an early age for several diseases that used to take countless lives and don’t have to worry about dying from small pox or getting paralyzed from polio, and no one questions that. You can take a flu shot each year (which mind you, is much less effective than the current Covid vaccines are at preventing infection but no vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infection) Yes it’s true that these vaccines for Covid are brand new but they were developed on the back of many years of prior research (https://historyofvaccines.blog/2021/01/03/the-history-of-the-mrna-vaccines/) and thus far have had extremely negligible negative effects on the millions of people who’ve taken them and have undoubtedly already saved many lives. I took my second jab of the Pfizer shot two weeks ago and after some expected/typical side effects of fever, fatigue, and chills that lasted two days I feel 100% fine and my anxiety about the future has turned to hope for us actually getting out of this mess and being able to safely return to some of the activities we love (live music for me!). Moreover, it’s very unlikely that a pharmaceutical giant such as Pfizer would risk their entire business by putting out a vaccine that is dangerous to its recipients. The scientists behind these vaccines know what they’re doing, and if you don’t trust vaccines then you may as well ahead and stop trusting every other technology that modern science has afforded us.
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This thread is crazy man. Either you guys are way more brave than I am or you just question shit way less ... as of right now, you are all still in the clinical trial phase of a new technology (that has never in the past received approval for human use), long term effects are still unknown and you can still potentially get and spread even after getting vaccinated. They're still even recommending all of the same precautions as if you didn't have it for the most part. So lessening symptoms in your own body (maybe although some people get worse symptoms when they come across it in the wild) and virtue signaling are the only things you have to show for getting it? I respect everyone's right to choose what's right for them, but I'll be waiting until studies conclude before I do anything and I can't see how anyone can shit on someone for not getting it yet. Sorry if my critical thinking and being cautious of experimental drugs knocks me down a peg on here pals. Open to any constructive criticism with valid proof to back up anything I may have wrong here as I'm always open to learning.
"On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. The issuance of an EUA is different than an FDA approval (licensure) of a vaccine." (i.e. it has not been approved)
Source: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general)
The earliest completion of phase 3 trials I can find is the end of 2021 with some going into 2022/23
Source: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1)
You may still get and spread the virus. You may need boosters in the future. You still won't be going back to normal as the following on the cdc website points out.
"Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.
We’re also still learning how long COVID-19 vaccines protect people.
For these reasons, people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 should keep taking precautions in public places, until we know more, like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html)
Hopefully I'm just way too cautious and you all will be healthy and happy and have no side effects!
I took the vaccine because I trust modern medicine and the scientists who developed the vaccines more than any crackpot internet conspiracy theorist (not labeling you as such, just making a point). Vaccines are an amazing scientific achievement by humanity and have saved millions of lives. You get vaccinated at an early age for several diseases that used to take countless lives and don’t have to worry about dying from small pox or getting paralyzed from polio, and no one questions that. You can take a flu shot each year (which mind you, is much less effective than the current Covid vaccines are at preventing infection but no vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infection) Yes it’s true that these vaccines for Covid are brand new but they were developed on the back of many years of prior research (https://historyofvaccines.blog/2021/01/03/the-history-of-the-mrna-vaccines/) and thus far have had extremely negligible negative effects on the millions of people who’ve taken them and have undoubtedly already saved many lives. I took my second jab of the Pfizer shot two weeks ago and after some expected/typical side effects of fever, fatigue, and chills that lasted two days I feel 100% fine and my anxiety about the future has turned to hope for us actually getting out of this mess and being able to safely return to some of the activities we love (live music for me!). Moreover, it’s very unlikely that a pharmaceutical giant such as Pfizer would risk their entire business by putting out a vaccine that is dangerous to its recipients. The scientists behind these vaccines know what they’re doing, and if you don’t trust vaccines then you may as well ahead and stop trusting every other technology that modern science has afforded us.
No vaccine manufacturers can be held liable (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22)), so even if there were catastrophic results, they wouldn't face any repercussions whatsoever. Which is another reason to be weary. And while mrna vaccines have been attempted in the past, they were never approved for human use to my knowledge, until this emergency order allowed it. And everything I stated is backed up by the sources of the trusted experts that follow the science. Nothing I posted is conspiracy theory what so ever. That being said, I've researched all of those as well, but kept this to facts only and my reasons for hesitancy.
And fwiw, here's this https://www.dmlawfirm.com/crimes-of-covid-vaccine-maker-pfizer-well-documented/ Pretty sure they aren't too concerned.
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Today is two weeks after my 2nd dose. It's a good day.
I had the Pfizer and the day after dose two I was slightly winded at the skatepark, but other than that there were no problems.
By studying real-world data the vaccines provide more than a 90% protection against getting the disease - not just "not having symptoms". They offer real protection from getting Covid. And if you don't get it, you can't spread it.
Israel has 59% of their population vaccinated and they had 110 cases yesterday - down 99% from their peak day. 99%.
If the US was down 99% from our peak we would be looking at 3,400 cases in a day. Our lowest case count in the last year was around 19.5k.
We need to get people vaccinated and this can be behind us. That means getting people under 30 vaccinated. You want the economy back to normal? You want to be able to go out without a mask? You want to be over this bullshit? Get a vaccine. Get everyone you know to get a vaccine.
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Yeah I’m definitely happy to be in Canada throughout all this, but getting stimulus checks and timely vaccines would’ve been nice too. My partner works with the elderly and I work in hospitals and other high traffic areas, but because we’re under 55 we have to wait at least another month or two for our first dose.
That’s it, I’m rigging up a bio-reactor in the garage. BRB.
Man, we got fucked and I've certainly started to realize some of the drawbacks associated with being a middle-power. America wouldn't export its vaccines to us and Europe was struggling and wasn't exporting their shit either.
Canadian society held together way better than American society, but the reality of being a middle-power and living next to belligerent super power came to light. I vote we break off from N. America and float on over to Europe.
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my friend is the medical director of our state health departments board of epidemiology .. he’s much smarter than i am and has spent his adult life learning about viruses and is so good at what he does that the state hired him as their leader in this field .. because of this, his knowledge about vaccines and viruses gave him the confidence to sign up as a trial volunteer before the vaccines were given general population approval .. he knows how vaccines are made, what’s in them and what the potential short term and long term effects will be .. he’s much smarter than i am and i will use him as my role model in this scenario
i like coneklr and think it’s ok to disagree on something like this .. i understand why people choose naturalistic medicine but think it’s unfair that the only reason those people are able to live safely is because the general public that chooses modern science protects them while at the same time they put us at risk
im currently in the situation where im living as a parent with protection while my kids are still at risk .. feel like we’re so close yet so far . and a trigger for me is when people say kids will be just fine
also, the same argument can be made about short term and long term effects if you get covid-19 .. it’s a novel virus that we won’t be sure what happens until time reveals itself .. ugh it’s exhausting but again i respect most views and you can only do what’s best for yourself and those in your circle - just wish it was not politicized but it is what it is
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This thread is crazy man. Either you guys are way more brave than I am or you just question shit way less ... as of right now, you are all still in the clinical trial phase of a new technology (that has never in the past received approval for human use), long term effects are still unknown and you can still potentially get and spread even after getting vaccinated. They're still even recommending all of the same precautions as if you didn't have it for the most part. So lessening symptoms in your own body (maybe although some people get worse symptoms when they come across it in the wild) and virtue signaling are the only things you have to show for getting it? I respect everyone's right to choose what's right for them, but I'll be waiting until studies conclude before I do anything and I can't see how anyone can shit on someone for not getting it yet. Sorry if my critical thinking and being cautious of experimental drugs knocks me down a peg on here pals. Open to any constructive criticism with valid proof to back up anything I may have wrong here as I'm always open to learning.
"On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. The issuance of an EUA is different than an FDA approval (licensure) of a vaccine." (i.e. it has not been approved)
Source: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general)
The earliest completion of phase 3 trials I can find is the end of 2021 with some going into 2022/23
Source: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1)
You may still get and spread the virus. You may need boosters in the future. You still won't be going back to normal as the following on the cdc website points out.
"Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.
We’re also still learning how long COVID-19 vaccines protect people.
For these reasons, people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 should keep taking precautions in public places, until we know more, like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html)
Hopefully I'm just way too cautious and you all will be healthy and happy and have no side effects!
You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
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You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
Interesting. I did not know this!
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i like coneklr and think it’s ok to disagree on something like this .. i understand why people choose naturalistic medicine but think it’s unfair that the only reason those people are able to live safely is because the general public that chooses modern science protects them while at the same time they put us at risk
I like you as well my friend and I really like that you are able to actually have a convo on this as most people are not. If you have someone with a compromised immune system I definitely understand your sentiment. Fwiw, my wife has a compromised immune system, but she is also of the mind to wait, especially in light of all of the strange things recently with women having issues with uterine bleeding. For those that don't though, if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you.
You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
What about the blood clotting and the newish women's issues that are coming to light? I haven't researched in depth yet, but they seem to definitely be something to be concerned with, especially women who still want children.
And again, I respect everyones choices and decisions and truly appreciate the honest conversation. I have tried to keep my personal thoughts and feelings out of this and stick to facts from what are supposed to be the sites everyone holds as truth.
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Do you guys think weed would help with side effects from the 2nd shot? Or would it bring on some paranoid state where you think the vaccine is killing your body?
Maybe I'll just stick to chicken soup or pho...
I asked the nurse that gave me my 1st Pfizer shot if it was ok to smoke weed after. She said “ yes” so
I smoked. Had zero side effects.
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if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you.
my and all children are at risk currently .. but i was referring to past and current vaccinations and anti vaxers . they’re able to live that lifestyle only because their living in a protected / vaccinated society .. it’s selfish - and same goes for covid vaccine in that unvaccinated people are being protected by those that choose to be vaccinated
are your kids vaccinated? if so, did you have the same questions and reservations when you got them inoculated (i did not but my wife did her research and had reservations but we did ultimately vaccinate) .. it’s funny to me that the same people that are saying they don’t trust this vaccine did absolutely no research whatsoever when they got their own children vaccinated .. yes it’s different because it’s new, but vaccines aren’t a new science
i want to take this moment to tell you i am not smart and have no idea what im talking about .. it’s just my feelings
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These vaccines are a new science and due to the same reasons my wife and I have not received it yet, we have not given the children it either. We will wait until the trials are officially done and see where that leaves us. So it's not that we are being selfish, it's that we like our odds more with getting sick than the unknown of something in its trial phase at the moment.
We also do follow protocol where required. We aren't going around having crazy parties and shit haha. Don't want it to come off that way.
I also think it sounds like you did the best you could decision wise with the information we have to work with. I think that is all anyone can do right now.
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this is why people can’t have conversations because we are hard headed on our own side ..
i like my odds better with a vaccine side effect than a novel virus long haul effect (being sick with COVID-19 is in its trial phase)
and i was taking about all other vaccines in regards to children (measles mumps rubella) .. i know people that did not think twice and did no research to vaccinate their children with that but are anti covid vaxers now
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got my first dose of pfizer feelin cool
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It blows my fucking mind that the US is approaching 600k cocid deaths, and that is most likely under counted, and India's official number is still 1/3 that. What the fuck. 45th administration needs to be liable. Fucking hell
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It blows my fucking mind that the US is approaching 600k cocid deaths, and that is most likely under counted, and India's official number is still 1/3 that. What the fuck. 45th administration needs to be liable. Fucking hell
You can't believe how many of my MAGA family members are like, "Trump didn't have 400k deaths when he started his Presidency."
My response to them most likely resulted in my no-invite for Thanksgiving — thankfully.
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I lucked out in ending up with some friends who are much more well versed in medicine and virology than I will ever be. One specifically is a professor at the medical school at the university in my city and I trust her and her fellow researchers.
Since the outset, they've been a fountain of knowledge sharing insight with their own findings. Anything useful they've shared through private messaging, I have tried to disseminate here.
Therefore, if she said the vaccine was unsafe and gave evidence for her opinion that wasn't speculation, I would be quick to sound the alarm.
It's okay to have misgivings about vaccinations, but honestly, I'm more afraid of the virus and potential long term effects of contracting it even if you are 100% asymptomatic.
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I've been fully vax'd for....five or six weeks now. My wife just got her second shot of Moderna yesterday and holy shit. She was up super sick all night. Migraine, just awful condition. Little better today. Took about 10 hours for it to fully start destroying her.
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I got the single dose J&j like a week before the handful of clotting cases started Kinda tripped about it initially, but I'll take the miniscule odds of a potential clot over all the hell the virus can cause
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Starting May 10th in Quebec, my age group (30-34) will be eligible to get vax’d.
I have the choice of Pfizer or Moderna, any reason I should go for one more than the other ?
Looks like I might be able to do some BJJ this summer after all.
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Got my second round of the Pfizer vax around 9:30 this morning. So far, so good. Only complaint is my arm being way more sore this time around. We'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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After having no reaction to my first shot, the second Moderna dose I got yesterday has been kicking my ass today.
Super sore and fatigued, very uncomfortable in a way I can't even really verbalize. Kinda like a bad hangover, kratom has been pretty helpful though.
Couple weeks old now, but this is definitely worth listening to:
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-big-pharma-bill-gates-spin-against-generic-vaccines-for-global-south-as-biden-a-no-show
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I got both shots of Pfizer. Didn't feel any side effects for either. Excited for my incoming immunity
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I got Pfizer and that shit fucked me up for like 1.5 days afterwards for both doses, respectively. My muscles felt tired/inflamed the day afterwards. The second one gave me a fever of like 99.4 F. Shit sucked but I'm feeling better now. At least now I know my immune system is weak af, prefer these side effects over corona forsure.
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I got Pfizer and that shit fucked me up for like 1.5 days afterwards for both doses, respectively. My muscles felt tired/inflamed the day afterwards. The second one gave me a fever of like 99.4 F. Shit sucked but I'm feeling better now. At least now I know my immune system is weak af, prefer these side effects over corona forsure.
actually, counterintuitively, that’s a sign of a good immune response
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I got Pfizer and that shit fucked me up for like 1.5 days afterwards for both doses, respectively. My muscles felt tired/inflamed the day afterwards. The second one gave me a fever of like 99.4 F. Shit sucked but I'm feeling better now. At least now I know my immune system is weak af, prefer these side effects over corona forsure.
actually, counterintuitively, that’s a sign of a good immune response
wait, holy shit.
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I received my second dose of Pfizer Saturday morning. Got drunk with my girlfriend later, and I don’t drink too much these days so I was gonna feel terrible the next day regardless. I did, I spend most of the day falling asleep on the couch with a headache hating myself. Finally went to the skate park for a bit later that day and was able to skate okay. No terrible side affects.
Today is Wednesday and I feel a general sense of fatigue. It could be 1000 different things, but has anyone else felt a shift in their energy levels for a prolonged period of time after either shot?
I don’t know what the root cause of this feeling is for me, could be stress, not stretching enough, eating wrong. I work a physically demanding job and Ive been okay, but i do randomly feel like napping all the time. Maybe I’m depressed. discuss...
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getting my second dose of Moderna tomorrow. fucking praying for no side effects....
heard pedialyte/electrolytes before and after can really really help stave off heavy side effects.
excited to be done with this shit
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I got my first shot of pfizer today. I felt a bit tiered in the afternoon and I had a bit of a headache in the evening. It wasn't too bad. I had the afternoon free from work. I hope I will be back to 100 percent tomorrow.
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I received my second dose of Pfizer Saturday morning. Got drunk with my girlfriend later, and I don’t drink too much these days so I was gonna feel terrible the next day regardless. I did, I spend most of the day falling asleep on the couch with a headache hating myself. Finally went to the skate park for a bit later that day and was able to skate okay. No terrible side affects.
Today is Wednesday and I feel a general sense of fatigue. It could be 1000 different things, but has anyone else felt a shift in their energy levels for a prolonged period of time after either shot?
I don’t know what the root cause of this feeling is for me, could be stress, not stretching enough, eating wrong. I work a physically demanding job and Ive been okay, but i do randomly feel like napping all the time. Maybe I’m depressed. discuss...
My doctor told me to not drink and exercise for three days after the shot. It seems you did both. Maybe just chill for a few extra days and take care of yourself i.e. actually take a few of those naps you seem to crave, eat and drink well and get some rest.
Maybe also get some advice from a medical professional?
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I received my second dose of Pfizer Saturday morning. Got drunk with my girlfriend later, and I don’t drink too much these days so I was gonna feel terrible the next day regardless. I did, I spend most of the day falling asleep on the couch with a headache hating myself. Finally went to the skate park for a bit later that day and was able to skate okay. No terrible side affects.
Today is Wednesday and I feel a general sense of fatigue. It could be 1000 different things, but has anyone else felt a shift in their energy levels for a prolonged period of time after either shot?
I don’t know what the root cause of this feeling is for me, could be stress, not stretching enough, eating wrong. I work a physically demanding job and Ive been okay, but i do randomly feel like napping all the time. Maybe I’m depressed. discuss...
My doctor told me to not drink and exercise for three days after the shot. It seems you did both. Maybe just chill for a few extra days and take care of yourself i.e. actually take a few of those naps you seem to crave, eat and drink well and get some rest.
Maybe also get some advice from a medical professional?
Oh yeah I knew I shouldn’t have drank, they told me the first time, and I didn’t. After the first shot I pretty much just spent the whole day at home and took it easy the next day as well, as a precaution. So maybe I really blew it this time haha.
I would take these naps if I were at home and wasn’t at work when I started to feel sleepy. But otherwise you’re on point.
I guess I haven’t really had a “day off” since the vaccine, besides the one where I was hungover. It may be just me, or it could be me combined with subtle effects from the vaccination. I’ll report back after another week.
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For those that don't though, if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you.
This is so irritating. Community health is sort of everyone's concern.
Right now declining vaccination rates are making it harder to account for and control variants. The concerns about India's emerging variants (because so few of their 1.3b people are actually vaccinated) is very fucking legitimate and very fucking serious. If you don't control what's currently going on quickly and a mutation occurs that usurps previous variants and vaccines are less effective, it's bad news.
The news that we arent going to reach herd immunity, mostly due to people like you, means we are going to be living with variants and a much slower re-emergence of "normal" than we would be if people got their shit together, stopped being ridiculous, and got their shots. I cannot fucking believe you invoked J&J's blood clotting. https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-blood-clots-associated-with-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-4-questions-answered-159523
Instead, you wont get what is by EVERY SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURE a safe and effective vaccine, allowing variations to mutate, and eventually potentially kill people. All because people continue to perpetuate and hold completely unfounded beliefs about vaccine danger.
Real fucking cool society we got here.
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For those that don't though, if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you.
This is so irritating. Community health is sort of everyone's concern.
Right now declining vaccination rates are making it harder to account for and control variants. The concerns about India's emerging variants (because so few of their 1.3b people are actually vaccinated) is very fucking legitimate and very fucking serious. If you don't control what's currently going on quickly and a mutation occurs that usurps previous variants and vaccines are less effective, it's bad news.
The news that we arent going to reach herd immunity, mostly due to people like you, means we are going to be living with variants and a much slower re-emergence of "normal" than we would be if people got their shit together, stopped being ridiculous, and got their shots. I cannot fucking believe you invoked J&J's blood clotting. https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-blood-clots-associated-with-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-4-questions-answered-159523
Instead, you wont get what is by EVERY SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURE a safe and effective vaccine, allowing variations to mutate, and eventually potentially kill people. All because people continue to perpetuate and hold completely unfounded beliefs about vaccine danger.
Real fucking cool society we got here.
There are also "LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURES" that call for fully vaccinated people to continue to wear a mask and maintain their social distancing.
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For what it's worth, I had my 2nd Moderna shot the other day. Went skateboarding, and played soccer with my kid right after. Had a little headache, but I basically always do. I went to bed around 10 feeling kind of achy, slept fine. A little achy at the next day, but not so much I couldn't work as normal. Basically, anybody nervous keep in mind there's a pretty good chance it won't be a big deal. Almost disappointed, as I wanted an excuse to lie around in a hammock all day.
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So Im getting nobody wants to criticise Bill Gates for denying India free vaccine cause they don't want to give any of the anti vaxxers who they've previously shamed on facebook any satisfaction. Dumb game.
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Dose 2 of Moderna rocked me - was on the couch all Sunday with a 100 degree fever, super sore and with a gnarly headache. Woke up on Monday feeling 95%, was completely fine by midday. Fully worth it obviously, it was actually kinda cool to be “sick” and know I’d be fine shortly after.
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This is so irritating. Community health is sort of everyone's concern.
Right now declining vaccination rates are making it harder to account for and control variants. The concerns about India's emerging variants (because so few of their 1.3b people are actually vaccinated) is very fucking legitimate and very fucking serious. If you don't control what's currently going on quickly and a mutation occurs that usurps previous variants and vaccines are less effective, it's bad news.
The news that we arent going to reach herd immunity, mostly due to people like you, means we are going to be living with variants and a much slower re-emergence of "normal" than we would be if people got their shit together, stopped being ridiculous, and got their shots. I cannot fucking believe you invoked J&J's blood clotting. https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-blood-clots-associated-with-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-4-questions-answered-159523
Instead, you wont get what is by EVERY SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURE a safe and effective vaccine, allowing variations to mutate, and eventually potentially kill people. All because people continue to perpetuate and hold completely unfounded beliefs about vaccine danger.
Real fucking cool society we got here.
When you go back and click the links I actually posted and do some research, I hope we can have an actual conversation as I'm open to learning if/where I'm wrong. It is quite clear you haven't, nor does it seem that you care to. Everyone else that has reached out to me has been mature, whether they agree or disagree with me. You're actually are the first person to respond as I expected most would, all from feelings and not facts.
I never even mentioned the blood clots so I'm not sure where that came from, but yes they have been a side effect and most likely are worse than we are being led to believe, or I have a hard time thinking they'd pull it, seeing as they can't be sued anyway. And it wasn't just J&J. And please share your links from reputable sites where this is safe and effective by "EVERY SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURE", as I have provided links that show the opposite from the sites that the gov and msm use for sources and that everyone taking it now is actually still in a trial phase of this technology for at least another year, which I also linked to. It is not the same as any other vaccine in the past and it has never been approved for human use in the past and was only this time because we declared a state of emergency. You can also still get and pass on the virus, it's just less likely. So that means masks and social distancing will continue forever, even if everyone got the shot.
I also saw you post that the second shot hit your wife hard. I am so sorry to hear that and I pray that she does not get hit with the issues plaguing a large number of women with their reproductive health since getting it (heavy bleeding, miscarriages, bleeding even in menopause). This is also fact, and in our circle, we know more that have been affected by that, then actually tested positive for covid. And no one knows how that is going to play out yet. I also personally know more that have had severe mental issues, including suicide, due to lack of social/physical contact, losing jobs and businesses than I do tested positive.
And as for your last comment, "Real fucking cool society we got here", the same can be said for people trying to force people to take an experimental drug because they are so fucking afraid of an illness that has a 99+% survival rate, while not caring at all about the fallout of the actual side effects that are affecting people. The majority of people who had significant issues with covid and were hospitalized or died, had 2 or more issues that made it as bad as it was (this can also be found on the cdc website). So fuck out of here with that virtue signaling shit and do some actual research.
Go ahead and hate on people who want to wait until the trials are over. But sit back and take that in, self reflect and know that if you had your way and could force it on people, any of those side effects would be on you. Could you live with that, if you talked a loved one into getting it and it severely fucked them up? Read my posts again, there is nothing I've written that is anti getting it, or was my own opinion and I've even tried to source for you all so you wouldn't have to do the work of looking for it yourself. I never even tried to talk people out of it, even if I disagree because contrary to your belief, community health is not everyone's concern, if it was, obesity, which has basically been our top contributor to health issues, wouldn't be a thing. So I don't believe you actually care about community health and that isn't on just you, most people don't. Which is why I don't think anyone is responsible for my health, nor am I responsible for theirs.
As I said before, I wish you all well who are getting it, I truly do. I want to see all of us healthy and succeed and have some sort of unity in the future as we sure as fuck don't right now.
There are also "LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURES" that call for fully vaccinated people to continue to wear a mask and maintain their social distancing.
I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but I've responded to this in my other posts. The fact that people would still have to wear a mask and distance if they got the vaccine is a fucking joke.
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There are also "LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURES" that call for fully vaccinated people to continue to wear a mask and maintain their social distancing.
I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but I've responded to this in my other posts. The fact that people would still have to wear a mask and distance if they got the vaccine is a fucking joke.
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This is because even if you are fully vaccinated, it is possible (or it has not been disproven) that you can carry and transmit Covid to people who are not vaccinated. Like teenage kids and younger.
It absolutely blows me away that people still can’t comprehend the whole “protect other people” part of the mask discussion. Like from the very beginning.
Also, the vaccine was not an “experimental drug” that appeared out of thin air.
I guess this would be a good place to plop this:
http://youtu.be/gPHgRp70H8o (http://youtu.be/gPHgRp70H8o)
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This is because even if you are fully vaccinated, it is possible (or it has not been disproven) that you can carry and transmit Covid to people who are not vaccinated. Like teenage kids and younger. I believe I have mentioned this in every single post. At least you know you can still possible get and spread the disease. Teens and children have gotten this rarely and is almost never life threatening if they do. You'll be happy to know they've started testing on children too now, which Dr's actually shit on Fauci for and were adamant that if they were to go ahead with child testing that the government should remove the law protecting the companies making the vaccine from lawsuits. Because, since you probably didn't read the link I had provided, none of those companies can be held liable for any harm that comes from taking their experimental product.
It absolutely blows me away that people still can’t comprehend the whole “protect other people” part of the mask discussion. Like from the very beginning. This can be understood but if you look at the facts (it is in it's trial phase, there have been a lot of adverse side effects, you can still get and pass it) you'll start to see why people may just not do it because maybe it will help someone else. Shitty? Probably. Is it shitty trying to force someone to put something they don't feel is safe in their body just to make you feel safer? Also Probably.
Also, the vaccine was not an “experimental drug” that appeared out of thin air. You're right and I've also mentioned that. These vaccines have been around for a while and were never in history approved for humans because of all of the issues they had. They were only given the greenlight right now because we are in an "emergency" Which if you look at the numbers, we should not be anymore. The current numbers do not meet the threshold for a pandemic. But they can't remove that or they'd have no way to push people to take it anymore.
I guess this would be a good place to plop this: I can't even believe you added this here. Did you even watch it?
I'm not going to respond as other than some numbers from another country, the rest is feelings based crap. Early on they already knew there was going to be mass hesitancy and a document was leaked showing the ways that they would try to manipulate the masses to take it using psychology. Including using message that promote fear and guilt and paying celebrities and influencers (which I know a handful that have received offers of $1300 to do and they don't even have huge followings) to promote it. Does that seem right to you? Manipulating the population to do something that may be against their best interest? If so, you and I have totally different thoughts and values. Again, if this was about health or as was written above "community health" why the fuck has no one actually cared before now about the easily preventable things that take the top spots in deaths every year? Again, this shit is all virtue signaling bullshit based off of fear. Please provide me some actual links from reputable sites to prove your points, not a paid for nighttime talk show host.
Jesus
Holy fucking shit, I swear you guys don't even read what I write or look at the links I provided from sites that the government uses to get their info. After this I'm done responding to feelings. If you want a discussion hit me with some facts that can help change my mind ... because as the fear mongering implies, we've hit the point where the people left unvaccinated are the ones who think the risks are not worth putting this in their body at the time. And as of right now, no one is going to force that and if they try that is when shit is really going to hit the fan in our country.
But ... Let me reply to this last feelings based reply. I have replied in your quote to make following along even easier for you.
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And FWIW I feel horrible for anyone who has been persuaded to take it and now has to live with that. And I pray for the vaccines side effects to affect as few people as possible. I also understand how difficult it is to start critical thinking about shit that is so pushed on us. I had a moment a few years ago that opened me up to that and now I am probably overly critical about everything, but when it comes to my health and the health of my family, there is no way I'm not being critical of all of the factual research (why I may come across as emotionless on it, less of a fuck your feelings and more of a holy shit how is this allowed) I can do.
Stay safe pals! Even if I disagree with you, I don't want to see any harm come to anyone.
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This is because even if you are fully vaccinated, it is possible (or it has not been disproven) that you can carry and transmit Covid to people who are not vaccinated. Like teenage kids and younger. I believe I have mentioned this in every single post. At least you know you can still possible get and spread the disease. Teens and children have gotten this rarely and is almost never life threatening if they do. You'll be happy to know they've started testing on children too now, which Dr's actually shit on Fauci for and were adamant that if they were to go ahead with child testing that the government should remove the law protecting the companies making the vaccine from lawsuits. Because, since you probably didn't read the link I had provided, none of those companies can be held liable for any harm that comes from taking their experimental product.
It absolutely blows me away that people still can’t comprehend the whole “protect other people” part of the mask discussion. Like from the very beginning. This can be understood but if you look at the facts (it is in it's trial phase, there have been a lot of adverse side effects, you can still get and pass it) you'll start to see why people may just not do it because maybe it will help someone else. Shitty? Probably. Is it shitty trying to force someone to put something they don't feel is safe in their body just to make you feel safer? Also Probably.
Also, the vaccine was not an “experimental drug” that appeared out of thin air. You're right and I've also mentioned that. These vaccines have been around for a while and were never in history approved for humans because of all of the issues they had. They were only given the greenlight right now because we are in an "emergency" Which if you look at the numbers, we should not be anymore. The current numbers do not meet the threshold for a pandemic. But they can't remove that or they'd have no way to push people to take it anymore.
I guess this would be a good place to plop this: I can't even believe you added this here. Did you even watch it?
I'm not going to respond as other than some numbers from another country, the rest is feelings based crap. Early on they already knew there was going to be mass hesitancy and a document was leaked showing the ways that they would try to manipulate the masses to take it using psychology. Including using message that promote fear and guilt and paying celebrities and influencers (which I know a handful that have received offers of $1300 to do and they don't even have huge followings) to promote it. Does that seem right to you? Manipulating the population to do something that may be against their best interest? If so, you and I have totally different thoughts and values. Again, if this was about health or as was written above "community health" why the fuck has no one actually cared before now about the easily preventable things that take the top spots in deaths every year? Again, this shit is all virtue signaling bullshit based off of fear. Please provide me some actual links from reputable sites to prove your points, not a paid for nighttime talk show host.
Jesus
Holy fucking shit, I swear you guys don't even read what I write or look at the links I provided from sites that the government uses to get their info. After this I'm done responding to feelings. If you want a discussion hit me with some facts that can help change my mind ... because as the fear mongering implies, we've hit the point where the people left unvaccinated are the ones who think the risks are not worth putting this in their body at the time. And as of right now, no one is going to force that and if they try that is when shit is really going to hit the fan in our country.
But ... Let me reply to this last feelings based reply. I have replied in your quote to make following along even easier for you.
This man is laying down factual information so people on here with doubts have an easy way to stay informed. This obviously is an extremely touchy subject, however what I see from his links this info is indeed unbiased. Instead of getting frustrated that it maybe an opposing view, maybe take the time to learn why others are questioning things related to this. For me personally, I have a hard time trusting the fact that the US government is looking out for our best interests.
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I check in on this thread every couple of days and it warms the cockles of my heart to see more and more people getting vaccinated and keeping themselves and their fellow humans safe. I just hope that Western governments get rid of vax IP so that the Global South can enjoy the same level of protection.
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I understand the apprehension and I think skepticism can be healthy in society and I’m sure you will not change your mind regardless of what I post on a skateboard forum which is fine but the fertility claims about the vaccine are simply not true. This article gives a nice summary but you can find tons of other reputable articles that give the same information.
https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/04/fertility-rumor-covid-vaccine
The proteins in the vaccine do not interact with the reproductive system.
Covid was the third leading cause of death in the US for 2020 after heart disease and cancer. The only thing about heart disease and cancer though is they aren’t contagious through the air so I think the fear about covid is justified. I know that the response will be that the most of those people had pre-existing conditions that contributed and that’s true but it is covid that killed the person. Also Covid beats 4th place by over 400,000 deaths so even if the numbers were inflated two times covid would still be in third place.
More people have gotten the vaccine than have gotten covid. There have been no confirmed deaths from the vaccine and millions of deaths from covid.
I haven’t seen anything about influencers getting paid to speak about the vaccine but if they have I don’t really have a problem with it. Celebrities get paid to appear in anti smoking ads or don’t drink and drive PSAs and I see it kind of the same. I do realize I’m biased because I think the vaccine is good though.
You’re not being forced to get the vaccine and I’m not going to tell you have to. A private company may decide that they deem it necessary to be vaccinated before seeing a show in their venue or going on a cruise on their ship and that’s a decision that they have made to protect themself the best. If you feel like you don’t want to get the vaccine then you may not be able to take part in those things.
I just wanted to share some of my opinions. I respect your decision to not change your mind. We all want to get back to normal and luckily the infection rates and death rates are declining. A lot of that is due to people wearing masks and getting vaccinated. If you are unsure about the vaccine, wearing a mask does greatly reduce transmission rates. I don’t like wearing one and I have asthma but at the worst it’s a slight inconvenience that could help us getting back to some normalcy.
I don’t feel like getting into a back and forth so if you reply I will for sure read it but I most likely won’t reply. Not out of disrespect for you but just because I’m lazy.
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@Eggie Vedder
I really appreciate this reply. It was well written and respectful. Thank you.
No need for back and forth but fwiw, I wasn't talking about the "conspiracy" of the vaccine sterilizing people. I'm talking about the large group of women who got the shot and then have had significantly irregular periods (including some that had already went through menopause) and the dozens of women who have reported a miscarriage or still birth shortly after getting the shot and reported to VAERS.
So far the only message out I know of about it from Dr's is something like We don't have enough information on this yet, but it shouldn't make people hesitant from getting the vaccine. Seriously?!?! If I was a pregnant woman or wanted to be, I would 100% not take this right now until more info came out. I will concede a few could be natural causes, but a large group not long after getting the shot definitely seems a little more than a coincidence.
And while I don't necessarily agree with businesses being able to deny people business based off of vaccination or not because I feel it's a slippery slope (it could open doors for discrimination for other reasons primarily). I definitely think that if that is the law, then the people who decide not to get it need to accept that there are things they may miss out on. All decisions have consequences. If they aren't happy about that they may have to create their own versions of those things.
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Had my second Moderna shot Tuesday. In preparation I bought gator aid and spent Wednesday getting stoned. Made it through just fine.
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It’s been bad enough convincing people to wear masks (I work in bars). It’s gonna be a real shit show when people start making others show their (hypothetically speaking) vaccine cards for entry into things/places.
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Ontario Canada here, was finally able to get my first dose of Pfizer last week. I had to wait in line for 4 hours, almost pissed my pants. There was a DJ for the line which was sick lmao. Had a sore arm the next day and that's it. Supposed to get my second dose in 3-4 months from now but I hope to fuck we get more supply soon so I can get it sooner than that and get to have a proper white boy summer. Shalom.
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My 12 year old son is stoked they finally approved his age group to be vaccinated. Wife was able to get him an appointment for next week already.
Stay safe and be careful of breakthrough infections pals.
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I was finally able to apply to get on the vaccination list, but it looks like at least a couple of weeks of waiting. Our nationa application framework was developed late so some regions developed their own and will fulfill those applications first. Sucks for me.
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I got Phizer yesterday, feeling good.
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@Eggie Vedder
I really appreciate this reply. It was well written and respectful. Thank you.
No need for back and forth but fwiw, I wasn't talking about the "conspiracy" of the vaccine sterilizing people. I'm talking about the large group of women who got the shot and then have had significantly irregular periods (including some that had already went through menopause) and the dozens of women who have reported a miscarriage or still birth shortly after getting the shot and reported to VAERS.
So far the only message out I know of about it from Dr's is something like We don't have enough information on this yet, but it shouldn't make people hesitant from getting the vaccine. Seriously?!?! If I was a pregnant woman or wanted to be, I would 100% not take this right now until more info came out. I will concede a few could be natural causes, but a large group not long after getting the shot definitely seems a little more than a coincidence.
And while I don't necessarily agree with businesses being able to deny people business based off of vaccination or not because I feel it's a slippery slope (it could open doors for discrimination for other reasons primarily). I definitely think that if that is the law, then the people who decide not to get it need to accept that there are things they may miss out on. All decisions have consequences. If they aren't happy about that they may have to create their own versions of those things.
Nah, fuck you.
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I'd DEFINITELY get it when I have the chance ...
But I got covid as we speak so I'm too late to protect myself. So I'll do it for others.
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Got my second Moderna shot last Thursday and holy fuck Friday was a shit show.
Easily in the top 3 sickest moments of my life.
Lasted literally 24 hours and then BOOM I woke up fine Saturday.
worth it! ready to go do shit and feel a tiny sense of protection
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I also feel like people in countries like the US and UK/Europe have an insane privilege. We can choose to get it. People in India are dying and in Peru and they can’t get this shot. They’d trade places with those of us who can yet aren’t.
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Got my second Moderna shot last Thursday and holy fuck Friday was a shit show.
Easily in the top 3 sickest moments of my life.
Lasted literally 24 hours and then BOOM I woke up fine Saturday.
worth it! ready to go do shit and feel a tiny sense of protection
Speaking from my own perspective, I’m past the two week mark on my second dose of Pfizer. All I can say is holy shit, I didn’t realize how used to the level of anxiety I experienced in public places I was until now. I’m more or less not worried about shit when I go places now, not that I’m going buck wild and cramming into crowded indoor spaces or anything. 10/10 would recommend getting vaccinated and if you can access it you should do your part to end this shit now
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got 2nd moderna shot last friday at 5pm mannnnnn it was rough
woke up at around 4am sweating and shaking
was the sickest I've been since Swine flu 2009
was still sick sunday but more like regular flu and it got better throughout the day
barely ate all weekend
but was better by monday besides skinnier and exhausted. Neck was sore prob from sleeping all screwed up
back in action now
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@Eggie Vedder
I really appreciate this reply. It was well written and respectful. Thank you.
No need for back and forth but fwiw, I wasn't talking about the "conspiracy" of the vaccine sterilizing people. I'm talking about the large group of women who got the shot and then have had significantly irregular periods (including some that had already went through menopause) and the dozens of women who have reported a miscarriage or still birth shortly after getting the shot and reported to VAERS.
So far the only message out I know of about it from Dr's is something like We don't have enough information on this yet, but it shouldn't make people hesitant from getting the vaccine. Seriously?!?! If I was a pregnant woman or wanted to be, I would 100% not take this right now until more info came out. I will concede a few could be natural causes, but a large group not long after getting the shot definitely seems a little more than a coincidence.
And while I don't necessarily agree with businesses being able to deny people business based off of vaccination or not because I feel it's a slippery slope (it could open doors for discrimination for other reasons primarily). I definitely think that if that is the law, then the people who decide not to get it need to accept that there are things they may miss out on. All decisions have consequences. If they aren't happy about that they may have to create their own versions of those things.
Fuck off cuck. I've provided all factual links. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings and goes against what you believe. Here's another link for you (I would have supplied a link to the cdc page, but you have to go through the info and decipher for yourself and you definitely don't seem like the type that would do that so I'll give you a link that seems fitting)
https://nypost.com/2021/05/11/cdc-exaggerates-outdoor-transmission-rate-covid-19-experts/
As I've said before, I'm open to reading factual studies to the opposite that would persuade me otherwise. Feel free to post and I'll do my part and read and research. But fear mongering and just being an asshole isn't it. Don't bother replying if you don't have links for me to look at.
Again, I hope the shit does not fuck you up and you are all safe and healthy.
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My 12 year old son is stoked they finally approved his age group to be vaccinated. Wife was able to get him an appointment for next week already.
Stay safe and be careful of breakthrough infections pals.
I was so pissed last time I was reading this thread, mostly because of this kook bullshit (who is now citing the NY Post....no agenda there) that I just came back to it. I was gonna apologize for being crass before, but fuck that. Get vaccinated or get fucked, kook.
Also my 12 year old too is stoked! He wants to be able to visit his great-grandma who we just moved into assisted living and cant until he's vaxed.
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Got my first Pfizer in Ireland on Monday. Sore arm the next day that's it. So happy.
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I was so pissed last time I was reading this thread, mostly because of this kook bullshit (who is now citing the NY Post....no agenda there) that I just came back to it. I was gonna apologize for being crass before, but fuck that. Get vaccinated or get fucked, kook.
Also my 12 year old too is stoked! He wants to be able to visit his great-grandma who we just moved into assisted living and cant until he's vaxed.
Jesus are you stupid too. What is my agenda? To provide alternative FACTS. Fuck you found me out! I've posted links from all valid sources (minus that NY Post one which was a joke about how lazy that guy was in his response to me as it was the first link that came up when searched, but that obviously went over your head) and all have been non-biased. Have you read any of them at all? As I have said all along if you want to get it go right ahead, I think you should if it makes you feel safer, I've only presented things people may not have been aware of as to reasons why you may not want to. As in women having crazy issues in large numbers most recently. Also, children have almost no chance of getting it, so risking their health is crazy while it's still in the trial phase. What the fuck! I pray you don't end up back in this thread saying you wish you'd have looked into it more. But you do you buddy, guess I'll go get fucked haha. Fucking ignorant
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And if ANYONE has links that prove mine wrong I want to see them. I want to know if I am wrong on anything so I can learn and grow and not spout off things that are incorrect. So far no one has, I've only received feelings based shit, which does no one any good, including the people who respond negatively although most of them don't seem like they care to learn or what is factual anyway.
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I got my 1st dose of Astrazeneca / Oxford a week ago.
I made the mistake of skating and working at 100% the day I got it, and for a few days after.
Shit was no joke, lots of muscle and joint pain. Thankfully no fever or other issues, but I had some serious fatigue and brain fog for about 5-6 days.
Arm was also super swollen, but I had also just slammed on a back-3 so who knows...
The first dose is the strongest, so hopefully the second will be chill if I take it easier.
Shalom.
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This Friday is my 2 weeks after the last dose... full vaxhole incoming. I got Pfizer and the 2nd jawn kicked my ass for the whole next day...fever and a super doap headache. Then I past out for like 5 hours. My girl was straight tho but she got owned by the 1st dose. Idk I was fucking juiced to get that shot and am stick happy as fuck my squad is all vaxxed out.
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And if ANYONE has links that prove mine wrong I want to see them. I want to know if I am wrong on anything so I can learn and grow and not spout off things that are incorrect. So far no one has, I've only received feelings based shit, which does no one any good, including the people who respond negatively although most of them don't seem like they care to learn or what is factual anyway.
yo dude. although it's not regarding the vaccine(s) per say, the biggest holes I'm seeing in these anti-vaccine arguments are that they presuppose that there isn't a ton of other things proven to dangerous ingested into the blood stream/human body microbiome on a regular basis. This isn't necessarily saying "you" as in "coneklr" but it's like, do you eat only fully organic, non-factory processed, close to local food, or are you eating processed, sugar, fat, salt, preservative added food stuffs that are scientifically and unequivocally proven to manipulate the brain and negatively alter the human microbiome, healing abilities, fertility, and psychology? Are you breathing in air on the street or do you live on a mountain top with close to pristine air? Do you carry a cell phone, a little radiation device, around with you? Are y'all interested or knowledgable of industrial-natural resource management (mining, logging, fossil fuel extraction, fishing) and the introduction of excess carbon into the atmosphere? How about driving gas powered cars that release legit, proven poison into the air that we all need to survive?
What I'm saying is, is that this vaccine campaign seems to small potatoes considering the large scale destruction of the living environment, atmosphere, and human body/mind through mindless consumption that's pushed by billions of dollars in advertisements. If folks put their time and energy into something like what I noted above, humanity might survive a bit longer in a more harmonious way.
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I was so pissed last time I was reading this thread, mostly because of this kook bullshit (who is now citing the NY Post....no agenda there) that I just came back to it. I was gonna apologize for being crass before, but fuck that. Get vaccinated or get fucked, kook.
Also my 12 year old too is stoked! He wants to be able to visit his great-grandma who we just moved into assisted living and cant until he's vaxed.
Jesus are you stupid too. What is my agenda? To provide alternative FACTS. Fuck you found me out! I've posted links from all valid sources (minus that NY Post one which was a joke about how lazy that guy was in his response to me as it was the first link that came up when searched, but that obviously went over your head) and all have been non-biased. Have you read any of them at all? As I have said all along if you want to get it go right ahead, I think you should if it makes you feel safer, I've only presented things people may not have been aware of as to reasons why you may not want to. As in women having crazy issues in large numbers most recently. Also, children have almost no chance of getting it, so risking their health is crazy while it's still in the trial phase. What the fuck! I pray you don't end up back in this thread saying you wish you'd have looked into it more. But you do you buddy, guess I'll go get fucked haha. Fucking ignorant
Im going to take you straight to fucking task, you absolute fucking goofball.
You CONVENIENTLY CHERRY PICK information that CONFIRMS YOUR PRIORS without JUXTAPOSING IT against the MASSIVE body of EVIDENCE that runs counter to YOUR PRIORS.
Its as transparent as the day is long. Youre a fucking dipshit.
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And if ANYONE has links that prove mine wrong I want to see them. I want to know if I am wrong on anything so I can learn and grow and not spout off things that are incorrect. So far no one has, I've only received feelings based shit, which does no one any good, including the people who respond negatively although most of them don't seem like they care to learn or what is factual anyway.
Youre insanely stupid. 35% of this country is now vaccinated. I am pretty sure that's a sample size that holds IV (that's internal validity, because I am confident you either never took or conveniently failed stats) concerns true to course and wow, sure seems like the massive, overwhelming preponderance of people are doing fine. Just admit you have priors and a fucking agenda.
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And if ANYONE has links that prove mine wrong I want to see them. I want to know if I am wrong on anything so I can learn and grow and not spout off things that are incorrect. So far no one has, I've only received feelings based shit, which does no one any good, including the people who respond negatively although most of them don't seem like they care to learn or what is factual anyway.
yo dude. although it's not regarding the vaccine(s) per say, the biggest holes I'm seeing in these anti-vaccine arguments are that they presuppose that there isn't a ton of other things proven to dangerous ingested into the blood stream/human body microbiome on a regular basis. This isn't necessarily saying "you" as in "coneklr" but it's like, do you eat only fully organic, non-factory processed, close to local food, or are you eating processed, sugar, fat, salt, preservative added food stuffs that are scientifically and unequivocally proven to manipulate the brain and negatively alter the human microbiome, healing abilities, fertility, and psychology? Are you breathing in air on the street or do you live on a mountain top with close to pristine air? Do you carry a cell phone, a little radiation device, around with you? Are y'all interested or knowledgable of industrial-natural resource management (mining, logging, fossil fuel extraction, fishing) and the introduction of excess carbon into the atmosphere? How about driving gas powered cars that release legit, proven poison into the air that we all need to survive?
What I'm saying is, is that this vaccine campaign seems to small potatoes considering the large scale destruction of the living environment, atmosphere, and human body/mind through mindless consumption that's pushed by billions of dollars in advertisements. If folks put their time and energy into something like what I noted above, humanity might survive a bit longer in a more harmonious way.
I appreciate this response. But I think in all of this I'm only speaking to the vaccine as that is what this thread is about and I'm not here to derail, nor am I here to even be anti-vax. I'm more here to say do your research and make the best decision for you and your loved ones and here are some facts you that aren't necessarily made easily available. But I am 100% against the bullshit of someone forcing anyone to put something in their body that could negatively affect them, that absolutely no one is responsible for.
But yeah the world as a whole is pretty fucked and I do my part (eating super healthy and unprocessed as much as possible and downsizing and getting rid of as much as we could) to make it better and have recently started trying to do even more.
But my biggest problem is anyone telling someone they have to do something they don't want to with their body, especially something that is in trial phase with no liability.
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My 12 year old son is stoked they finally approved his age group to be vaccinated. Wife was able to get him an appointment for next week already.
Stay safe and be careful of breakthrough infections pals.
Nice one. I'm glad that they're starting to include kids in the rollout. It's super important to have as many people vaccinated as possible.
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And if ANYONE has links that prove mine wrong I want to see them. I want to know if I am wrong on anything so I can learn and grow and not spout off things that are incorrect. So far no one has, I've only received feelings based shit, which does no one any good, including the people who respond negatively although most of them don't seem like they care to learn or what is factual anyway.
Youre insanely stupid. 35% of this country is now vaccinated. I am pretty sure that's a sample size that holds IV (that's internal validity, because I am confident you either never took or conveniently failed stats) concerns true to course and wow, sure seems like the massive, overwhelming preponderance of people are doing fine. Just admit you have priors and a fucking agenda.
Just admit you don't fucking research anything. And what is my agenda? I told everyone to get it if you want, here is some information you may not have had. When are you going to post some links for your facts/stats? Don't bother writing me again unless you have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. Your fucking feelings don't count as I don't give a fuck about them. Give me some facts.
Let me leave you with another link too (which they say very few actually report to so the numbers may be way higher but this is what has been reported in the few months since the vaccine has been available)
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
And again, I pray nothing happens to your son and that your wife is doing better now.
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There is an ignore button. You’re not going to convince anti vaxxers if anything except how smart they are because they roped you into some stupid conversation
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Just admit you don't fucking research anything. And what is my agenda? I told everyone to get it if you want, here is some information you may not have had. When are you going to post some links for your facts/stats? Don't bother writing me again unless you have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. Your fucking feelings don't count as I don't give a fuck about them. Give me some facts.
Let me leave you with another link too (which they say very few actually report to so the numbers may be way higher but this is what has been reported in the few months since the vaccine has been available)
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
And again, I pray nothing happens to your son and that your wife is doing better now.
So I clicked your link and read this:
VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.
I mean, I know what you're getting at, but you've got to expect that a lot of people are going to report that they got a shot within the past however many days when they have a serious health problem, which is very likely a coincidence in the overwhelming majority of cases where serious illness or death occurs. You're linking to raw data where the only variable is self-reported "I got the COVID shot recently". You really can't draw a lot of conclusions from it, good or ill. You could replace vaccination with coffee consumption and it would tell you exactly as much about the safety of drinking coffee as it does about the safety of the vaccine. In other words: fuck all, at least not without doing a whole lot of other work to isolate variables and determine causality first.
In conclusion, fuck this thread, almost everyone in here is acting like a spaz.
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There is an ignore button. You’re not going to convince anti vaxxers if anything except how smart they are because they roped you into some stupid conversation
Hahaha, this is fucking hilarious as both sides are doing the same fucking thing except one is providing links.
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Just admit you don't fucking research anything. And what is my agenda? I told everyone to get it if you want, here is some information you may not have had. When are you going to post some links for your facts/stats? Don't bother writing me again unless you have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. Your fucking feelings don't count as I don't give a fuck about them. Give me some facts.
Let me leave you with another link too (which they say very few actually report to so the numbers may be way higher but this is what has been reported in the few months since the vaccine has been available)
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
And again, I pray nothing happens to your son and that your wife is doing better now.
So I clicked your link and read this:
VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.
I mean, I know what you're getting at, but you've got to expect that a lot of people are going to report that they got a shot within the past however many days when they have a serious health problem, which is very likely a coincidence in the overwhelming majority of cases where serious illness or death occurs. You're linking to raw data where the only variable is self-reported "I got the COVID shot recently". You really can't draw a lot of conclusions from it, good or ill. You could replace vaccination with coffee consumption and it would tell you exactly as much about the safety of drinking coffee as it does about the safety of the vaccine. In other words: fuck all, at least not without doing a whole lot of other work to isolate variables and determine causality first.
In conclusion, fuck this thread, almost everyone in here is acting like a spaz.
I appreciate that skepticism. That's the whole point. Look into shit and make the choice you think is best for you. And I agree with your last line. I think I'll bow out and let everyone continue the circle jerk uninterrupted. I'm routing for bigdave :-*
For those of you who wrote me thanking me, feel free to keep contact. For everyone else, I hope you stay healthy and safe.
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The fact that this thread is causing frustration, judgment, and hate is a glimpse of the current state of humanity. I wonder if that's what the OP was trying to establish? It's like they saw this coming ;)
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Sorry to get away from all the noise, but has anyone used Lyft or uber for vaccine appointment? My second appointment is coming up on the 18th and my truck went out of commission in between the two. I don't want to fuck the answer form up on the apps and then get annexed from the free ride option.
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@Eggie Vedder
I really appreciate this reply. It was well written and respectful. Thank you.
No need for back and forth but fwiw, I wasn't talking about the "conspiracy" of the vaccine sterilizing people. I'm talking about the large group of women who got the shot and then have had significantly irregular periods (including some that had already went through menopause) and the dozens of women who have reported a miscarriage or still birth shortly after getting the shot and reported to VAERS.
So far the only message out I know of about it from Dr's is something like We don't have enough information on this yet, but it shouldn't make people hesitant from getting the vaccine. Seriously?!?! If I was a pregnant woman or wanted to be, I would 100% not take this right now until more info came out. I will concede a few could be natural causes, but a large group not long after getting the shot definitely seems a little more than a coincidence.
And while I don't necessarily agree with businesses being able to deny people business based off of vaccination or not because I feel it's a slippery slope (it could open doors for discrimination for other reasons primarily). I definitely think that if that is the law, then the people who decide not to get it need to accept that there are things they may miss out on. All decisions have consequences. If they aren't happy about that they may have to create their own versions of those things.
Fuck off cuck. I've provided all factual links. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings and goes against what you believe. Here's another link for you (I would have supplied a link to the cdc page, but you have to go through the info and decipher for yourself and you definitely don't seem like the type that would do that so I'll give you a link that seems fitting)
https://nypost.com/2021/05/11/cdc-exaggerates-outdoor-transmission-rate-covid-19-experts/
As I've said before, I'm open to reading factual studies to the opposite that would persuade me otherwise. Feel free to post and I'll do my part and read and research. But fear mongering and just being an asshole isn't it. Don't bother replying if you don't have links for me to look at.
Again, I hope the shit does not fuck you up and you are all safe and healthy.
Nah, fuck you and your dirty ass family.
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And if ANYONE has links that prove mine wrong I want to see them. I want to know if I am wrong on anything so I can learn and grow and not spout off things that are incorrect. So far no one has, I've only received feelings based shit, which does no one any good, including the people who respond negatively although most of them don't seem like they care to learn or what is factual anyway.
yo dude. although it's not regarding the vaccine(s) per say, the biggest holes I'm seeing in these anti-vaccine arguments are that they presuppose that there isn't a ton of other things proven to dangerous ingested into the blood stream/human body microbiome on a regular basis. This isn't necessarily saying "you" as in "coneklr" but it's like, do you eat only fully organic, non-factory processed, close to local food, or are you eating processed, sugar, fat, salt, preservative added food stuffs that are scientifically and unequivocally proven to manipulate the brain and negatively alter the human microbiome, healing abilities, fertility, and psychology? Are you breathing in air on the street or do you live on a mountain top with close to pristine air? Do you carry a cell phone, a little radiation device, around with you? Are y'all interested or knowledgable of industrial-natural resource management (mining, logging, fossil fuel extraction, fishing) and the introduction of excess carbon into the atmosphere? How about driving gas powered cars that release legit, proven poison into the air that we all need to survive?
What I'm saying is, is that this vaccine campaign seems to small potatoes considering the large scale destruction of the living environment, atmosphere, and human body/mind through mindless consumption that's pushed by billions of dollars in advertisements. If folks put their time and energy into something like what I noted above, humanity might survive a bit longer in a more harmonious way.
I appreciate this response. But I think in all of this I'm only speaking to the vaccine as that is what this thread is about and I'm not here to derail, nor am I here to even be anti-vax. I'm more here to say do your research and make the best decision for you and your loved ones and here are some facts you that aren't necessarily made easily available. But I am 100% against the bullshit of someone forcing anyone to put something in their body that could negatively affect them, that absolutely no one is responsible for.
But yeah the world as a whole is pretty fucked and I do my part (eating super healthy and unprocessed as much as possible and downsizing and getting rid of as much as we could) to make it better and have recently started trying to do even more.
But my biggest problem is anyone telling someone they have to do something they don't want to with their body, especially something that is in trial phase with no liability.
Again, I'm not directing to this you, coneklr, but rather the greater majority of folks/groups arguing against vaccination under the guise of anything, but especially it not being researched enough and being pro-human body rights- those with great power and influence behind these campaigns to halt vaccination, presenting ideas that non-vaxxed will catch vaxx germs from the vaxxed, that it's a giant conspiracy to neuter the herd, and who all of a sudden have concern for womens bodily autonomy, are often the first in line to fight against the right to choose abortion. They're often on the front lines of fighting, literally inciting violence against brown bodies attempting to cross borders so that their minds/bodies/progeny can exist in their bodies in peace. They're often the ones fighting against how people find sexual and any sort of pleasure in and with their bodies. You catch what I'm saying? Why I find it hard to believe that, and again this isn't directed to you, but rather the groups with the loudest, most powerful, influential and prominent voices, actually care about bodily autonomy?
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@Eggie Vedder
I really appreciate this reply. It was well written and respectful. Thank you.
No need for back and forth but fwiw, I wasn't talking about the "conspiracy" of the vaccine sterilizing people. I'm talking about the large group of women who got the shot and then have had significantly irregular periods (including some that had already went through menopause) and the dozens of women who have reported a miscarriage or still birth shortly after getting the shot and reported to VAERS.
So far the only message out I know of about it from Dr's is something like We don't have enough information on this yet, but it shouldn't make people hesitant from getting the vaccine. Seriously?!?! If I was a pregnant woman or wanted to be, I would 100% not take this right now until more info came out. I will concede a few could be natural causes, but a large group not long after getting the shot definitely seems a little more than a coincidence.
And while I don't necessarily agree with businesses being able to deny people business based off of vaccination or not because I feel it's a slippery slope (it could open doors for discrimination for other reasons primarily). I definitely think that if that is the law, then the people who decide not to get it need to accept that there are things they may miss out on. All decisions have consequences. If they aren't happy about that they may have to create their own versions of those things.
Fuck off cuck. I've provided all factual links. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings and goes against what you believe. Here's another link for you (I would have supplied a link to the cdc page, but you have to go through the info and decipher for yourself and you definitely don't seem like the type that would do that so I'll give you a link that seems fitting)
https://nypost.com/2021/05/11/cdc-exaggerates-outdoor-transmission-rate-covid-19-experts/
As I've said before, I'm open to reading factual studies to the opposite that would persuade me otherwise. Feel free to post and I'll do my part and read and research. But fear mongering and just being an asshole isn't it. Don't bother replying if you don't have links for me to look at.
Again, I hope the shit does not fuck you up and you are all safe and healthy.
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@Eggie Vedder
I really appreciate this reply. It was well written and respectful. Thank you.
No need for back and forth but fwiw, I wasn't talking about the "conspiracy" of the vaccine sterilizing people. I'm talking about the large group of women who got the shot and then have had significantly irregular periods (including some that had already went through menopause) and the dozens of women who have reported a miscarriage or still birth shortly after getting the shot and reported to VAERS.
So far the only message out I know of about it from Dr's is something like We don't have enough information on this yet, but it shouldn't make people hesitant from getting the vaccine. Seriously?!?! If I was a pregnant woman or wanted to be, I would 100% not take this right now until more info came out. I will concede a few could be natural causes, but a large group not long after getting the shot definitely seems a little more than a coincidence.
And while I don't necessarily agree with businesses being able to deny people business based off of vaccination or not because I feel it's a slippery slope (it could open doors for discrimination for other reasons primarily). I definitely think that if that is the law, then the people who decide not to get it need to accept that there are things they may miss out on. All decisions have consequences. If they aren't happy about that they may have to create their own versions of those things.
Fuck off cuck. I've provided all factual links. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings and goes against what you believe. Here's another link for you (I would have supplied a link to the cdc page, but you have to go through the info and decipher for yourself and you definitely don't seem like the type that would do that so I'll give you a link that seems fitting)
https://nypost.com/2021/05/11/cdc-exaggerates-outdoor-transmission-rate-covid-19-experts/
As I've said before, I'm open to reading factual studies to the opposite that would persuade me otherwise. Feel free to post and I'll do my part and read and research. But fear mongering and just being an asshole isn't it. Don't bother replying if you don't have links for me to look at.
Again, I hope the shit does not fuck you up and you are all safe and healthy.
Season 5, pissed at McNulty's fake serial killer. I hear it.
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this might be slightly anecdotal, but.
My cousin's 11-12 year old son caught covid from a friend (zero to light symptoms), gave it to his sister who is 16 (moderate symptoms), his mother in her early 40s (moderate symptoms) and his dad in his late 40s, who has been in bed for 6-7 days. They also gave it to their 70 year old grandmother (the mothers mother) who is currently on a ventilator and I wouldn't bet money on her living.
so a, kids can get it, maybe they are less likely to get symptoms, or die but they spread it.
I am not afraid of covid, I am afraid of being part of the spread or hurting somebody I love or care for.
the possibility of having long term symptoms that would effect my day to day life for who know how long is another reason to want to avoid it and get a vaccine.
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this might be slightly anecdotal, but.
My cousin's 11-12 year old son caught covid from a friend (zero to light symptoms), gave it to his sister who is 16 (moderate symptoms), his mother in her early 40s (moderate symptoms) and his dad in his late 40s, who has been in bed for 6-7 days. They also gave it to their 70 year old grandmother (the mothers mother) who is currently on a ventilator and I wouldn't bet money on her living.
so a, kids can get it, maybe they are less likely to get symptoms, or die but they spread it.
I am not afraid of covid, I am afraid of being part of the spread or hurting somebody I love or care for.
the possibility of having long term symptoms that would effect my day to day life for who know how long is another reason to want to avoid it and get a vaccine.
This.
Why is this so fucking hard for people to wrap their heads around?
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Why is this so fucking hard for people to wrap their heads around?
Because antivaxxers are dumb and selfish. A pretty shitty combination.
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I do agree, anti vaxxers are dumb, but we must approach them without insulting hem. When they call you a sheep it is not going to make you put your feelings aside and listen, so when we call them a kook they likely aren't going to listen to us either.
They are kooks. :)
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Finally got a date for my first dose, it’s in a week and a half. Never been so stoked to get a shot.
Canada’s been super slow for the vaccines, but at least here in Quebec, people seem to be taking that shit seriously so lots of people are getting vaccinated. A lot of people I know who I thought would be against it are the ones sharing pro-vax stuff on Facebook, so that’s cool.
Obviously there’s the loud-mouthed anti-vax crowd, but fuck ‘em.
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It isn't benign for children either. We've had several kids in our hospital end up like this:
(https://img.medscape.com/thumbnail_library/gty_210503_hospital_icu_patient_ecmo_machine_800x450.jpg)
because their body had an autoimmune inflammatory response to this disease. Most did survive, but not all. And having to be put on ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation) is extremely traumatic for anyone, so even the kids who did survive have to deal with that for the rest of their lives.
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I described the vaccine booking system user interface as Kafkaesque, so my girlfriend booked it for me. I have weird luck, so I imagine a 5G tower is going to antivax me with a non-lethal dose of Covid 19-2000 between now and the appointment. I’ll live, but not well...
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It isn't benign for children either. We've had several kids in our hospital end up like this:
(https://img.medscape.com/thumbnail_library/gty_210503_hospital_icu_patient_ecmo_machine_800x450.jpg)
because their body had an autoimmune inflammatory response to this disease. Most did survive, but not all. And having to be put on ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation) is extremely traumatic for anyone, so even the kids who did survive have to deal with that for the rest of their lives.
hey brycickle, man, after looking at your name for years as "brick cycle" I wondering now if it's Bry-cycle." Anyways, thanks for doing whatever you do in the hospital. I imagine if it's been anxiety inducing for everyone else, it's got to be crazy for you folks. Truly, thank you for your service
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Got second dose of Pfizer two weeks ago. No side effects after either, except for a sore arm after the first. Was pretty worried I'd get wrecked after the second, but hydrated like an absolute mf and was completely fine.
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Why is this so fucking hard for people to wrap their heads around?
Because antivaxxers are dumb and selfish. A pretty shitty combination.
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Got second dose of Pfizer two weeks ago. No side effects after either, except for a sore arm after the first. Was pretty worried I'd get wrecked after the second, but hydrated like an absolute mf and was completely fine.
Same experience here with both doses of Pfizer.
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(https://i.imgur.com/vIcBIks.jpg)
How will they tell if people are vaccinated or not?
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Booked an appointment... but I plan on moving in-between the first and second shot... not sure how that shit is going to work.
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Cannot wait for kids to get the vaccine. Schools in my state have taken a lax stance on enforcing safety precautions and my boss has said, "Kids just aren't getting covid." Yes, they are... they're just not as symptomatic as often and are absolutely agents of viral spread. Beyond baffling to think that children cannot spread a highly contagious airborne virus... Like we would be harvesting the little mutants' blood if that were true.
I feel like people aren't taking their 5-10 year olds to go get tested, especially not in my community. I work at a school and have had one child in my class recieve a covid test (negative, thank god). I don't have the numbers on negativity rates or test administration for elementary age children, but if my little slice of life is representative of the state at all, then we cannot reasonably say that "kids can't get covid." Disappointed in my leadership, to say the least.
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In (on?) line now for first dose of Pfizer at Lumen Field.
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How will they tell if people are vaccinated or not?
They can’t tell, and people are going to be so, so shitty about it too, especially to service industry folks. It’s alright, we’ll be back to masking, color tiers, and death by fall because of all the free thinking people like coneklr. So brave.
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Got my first shot today, fell asleep for 4 hours after but also ate a pretty gnarly pizza so that could've been just that. No other side effects so far!
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I got my second Pfizer shot last weekend. I will continue to wear a mask because I like it. I feel like a ninja. Masks are cool and I’m ugly so it’s all good.
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Got my first Moderna shot today. Went on a 5-mile skate afterward. Those 5g nanobots sure did the trick.
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They finally opened to 30+ today where I live, getting Pfizer next Tuesday after work. Getting hyyyped.
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https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
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https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
The irony of these two idiots endorsing vaccines after making a living deceiving people is priceless. Actually that's a poor analogy.. I bet their service did have a price tag, and it was probably fairly low seeing that the have been irrelevant for quite a while. Why take the time to do research of something pertaining to your personal health and well-being when washed up "magicians" can lead you in the right direction.
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Didn’t think an old “candy bar at checkout” style video from a comedic magician duos show about skepticism would cause such a fervor but ok.
Also, I thought the whole point of magic shows was to pay money to feel like a silly goose for like an hour. As far as I know they don’t sell tonics or give medical advice afterwards either. I got the vaccine, I’m not worried about it. If the guys with wands and rabbits in the hats make a couple ha-has that convince one idiot on the fence to vaccinated that’s a good thing, no?
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Got first dose of Pfizer on the 8th of may here in Alberta. No side effects, quick and easy appointment. 2nd dose is supposed to be within 16 weeks my card says.
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I fortunately had no complications with both of my vaccinations.
I do think it is worthwhile to bring up the various sources of information that the general public are exposed to.
https://thenewamerican.com/covid-shots-dna-transhumanism-with-dr-madej-2/ (https://thenewamerican.com/covid-shots-dna-transhumanism-with-dr-madej-2/)
Wowzers
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Got my 1st dose of the vaccine (Pfizer) 3 days ago and the 2nd dose is on June 5. The soreness is comparable to hitting the gym doing 30 pound dumbel curls with no experience whatsoever.
PS the only antivaxxers I’ll listen to are those who endorse the extinction of the human race
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Getting my first does of Moderna on Thursday, finally!
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Got my 1st dose of the vaccine (Pfizer) 3 days ago and the 2nd dose is on June 5. The soreness is comparable to hitting the gym doing 30 pound dumbel curls with no experience whatsoever.
PS the only antivaxxers I’ll listen to are those who endorse the extinction of the human race
Misanthropes ryde or die (RIP Dmx)
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I fortunately had no complications with both of my vaccinations.
I do think it is worthwhile to bring up the various sources of information that the general public are exposed to.
https://thenewamerican.com/covid-shots-dna-transhumanism-with-dr-madej-2/ (https://thenewamerican.com/covid-shots-dna-transhumanism-with-dr-madej-2/)
Wowzers
My uncle’s husband watches these videos and they’re staying over at the moment. :/
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PS the only antivaxxers I’ll listen to are those who endorse the extinction of the human race
I’m rooting for our extinction, but I’d rather not contribute to it in this case. As such, shoot me up with some of that sweet sweet mRNA because I’ve got proteins to synthesize. Conversely, if I’m presented with a big red button I’m told not to touch, the forecast is blinding lights followed by eternal darkness.
I’m still working through some stuff.
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I fortunately had no complications with both of my vaccinations.
I do think it is worthwhile to bring up the various sources of information that the general public are exposed to.
https://thenewamerican.com/covid-shots-dna-transhumanism-with-dr-madej-2/ (https://thenewamerican.com/covid-shots-dna-transhumanism-with-dr-madej-2/)
Wowzers
I just got a fucking headache reading the comments on that page.
1st and 2nd Pfizer dose here with no symptoms, stayed extra hydrated the whole time.
Both parents had some side effects but nothing major after their shots. Hopefully more and more people get fully vaccinated. Be sure to let your friends know if you have been. Mine have started to sign up after talking with them and showing them I had no problems.
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Good for you on sharing your experience with your friends and getting them to get vaccinated.
It really is a relief to see more and more of y'all were able to get at least your first dose finally. I know each country is different.
After my son gets his second shot, we can travel (by car) to do some vacation sightseeing since my entire household will be done.
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Good for you on sharing your experience with your friends and getting them to get vaccinated.
It really is a relief to see more and more of y'all were able to get at least your first dose finally. I know each country is different.
After my son gets his second shot, we can travel (by car) to do some vacation sightseeing since my entire household will be done.
Thank you, I live in New York State so vaccine accessibility has been really good here. Some areas even have pop up vaccination centers at train stations and bus stops(J&J Single Shot). They offer a free bus/train pass when you get your shot there. Little things like that are great for people who are willing to get the shot but don't feel like taking the time or are too busy.
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At this point, in CA, if you want a shot and are even the slightest bit driven to get one, they're available. Excuses are just about gone. For people that cant access a clinic, there are solutions for that. Just have to try. A teensy bit.
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At this point, in CA, if you want a shot and are even the slightest bit driven to get one, they're available. Excuses are just about gone. For people that cant access a clinic, there are solutions for that. Just have to try. A teensy bit.
I will say that in the rural county of 134k people I live in, healthcare is generally AWFUL. Covid response however, has been top notch. Tests were free and available early on, as were vaccines. Pretty cool, but damn that first test April 2020 was brutal
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Wife and I got 2nd shots this past weekend, daughters 12 and 15 got their first shots this weekend, here in Massachusetts USA. Pfizer: the shoulder muscle was hella sore for both shots but OK otherwise. Lots of hydration.
Last week 3 of us were down hard with a nasty cold. Our youngest has been full-time IN school at a small private (9 kids in her class), and they did their standardized testing (Math, Science, etc.) a couple of weeks ago. One of the parents sent their SICK AF kid to school because it was “Testing Week”. 12 year-old got sick first, then our other daughter and me (wife did not get sick). 3 other kids in her class also got it. No joke plenty of restrictions in place at the school, plexiglass cubicles, at least 6 ft. Apart, take your temp at the door, etc......
Youngest tested negative for COVID so we all just dealt with the cold.
Gotta say, with mad COVID restrictions in place, 3 of us getting a cold like that after going more than a full year without illness really goes to show how effective the COVID restrictions really were.
Finally, I’ve been wanting to wear a bandana since I saw The Brady Bunch episode where Bobby idolized Jesse James.
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At this point, in CA, if you want a shot and are even the slightest bit driven to get one, they're available. Excuses are just about gone. For people that cant access a clinic, there are solutions for that. Just have to try. A teensy bit.
I will say that in the rural county of 134k people I live in, healthcare is generally AWFUL. Covid response however, has been top notch. Tests were free and available early on, as were vaccines. Pretty cool, but damn that first test April 2020 was brutal
Yeah I dont know which state you're in, CA or otherwise, but CA has been right on with vaccines, much better than they were with testing (which had a whole litany of issues that were really out of california's control anyway.
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At this point, in CA, if you want a shot and are even the slightest bit driven to get one, they're available. Excuses are just about gone. For people that cant access a clinic, there are solutions for that. Just have to try. A teensy bit.
I will say that in the rural county of 134k people I live in, healthcare is generally AWFUL. Covid response however, has been top notch. Tests were free and available early on, as were vaccines. Pretty cool, but damn that first test April 2020 was brutal
Yeah I dont know which state you're in, CA or otherwise, but CA has been right on with vaccines, much better than they were with testing (which had a whole litany of issues that were really out of california's control anyway.
I'm right up on the north, north coast of CA. I'd heard horror stories about testing down south, but like I said, up here, our rural, community health centers really came through from the get. TBH, testing seemed even worse in Massachusetts when I drove out there last September/October 2020. Couldn't find a free test ANYWHERE in the state. Rhode Island was a different story, but ya, my testing experience in CA was top notch as far as that sorta thing goes.
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My county put out yesterday that all businesses have to start verifying employee vaccine status, and all non vaccinated people have to check back in every other week, and have greater restrictions placed on them, like more distancing, self quarantines, etc. could come down to mandatory vaccines for employment, which, good.
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Gay Sweden reporting in:
Ain't got shit and wont probably be getting shit for a while.. even though my ass is essential worker (in finance...go figure).
Most boomers are on their first.
The rate is... not great..
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Random timeline update: I've been fully vaccinated for a few weeks now. Spent some time with friends in NYC for the first time in over a year. One of our homies doesn't want to get vaccinated, so he wasn't invited to join in beyond a walk at the park. Would love to see more of him, but the rest of us have kids, and I'm not comfortable additional risk factors. Not to him either. I can't believe there are people out there skipping it, it's such a relief to start to get back to normal.
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got both Pfizer shots
first one I felt a little weird, but nothing bad
second one I got at 330pm, no ill effects until 330am when I woke up freezing cold. couldn't fall back asleep, called out of work, and by 8am all of the shit had hit the fan
chills turned to intense hot flashes constantly, my lower back and thighs were always at about a 2-3 out of ten on the discomfort scale, if I tried to eat I felt nausea, and I couldn't stand or sit up straight for more than 2 minutes. tried to watch TV and play video games but I was incapable of feeling joy or amusement. watched The Mask and I gotta say Cameron Diaz was crazy hot back then, and her first line is about riding something bareback, that's all I really took from the movie
woke up at 8 the next morning and still had a slight headache and my eyebrows hurt (?), but after working for a while everything else cleared up. I will say that eating warm food for the next two days was rough, I felt like I had a fever again and would get nauseas when my body felt warm.
I hope the booster doesn't do any of that shit, I am very hesitant to go through that again, I haven't been that sick since I had pneumonia in middle school.
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PS the only antivaxxers I’ll listen to are those who endorse the extinction of the human race
I’m rooting for our extinction, but I’d rather not contribute to it in this case. As such, shoot me up with some of that sweet sweet mRNA because I’ve got proteins to synthesize. Conversely, if I’m presented with a big red button I’m told not to touch, the forecast is blinding lights followed by eternal darkness.
I’m still working through some stuff.
Respect.
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I'm fully vaxed now, motherfuckers, and those 5G microchips are making me feel unstoppable.
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I'm fully vaxed now, motherfuckers, and those 5G microchips are making me feel unstoppable.
Definitely stoked to not need a mask this hot ass summer walking my dog.
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Can’t even get it here yet, I think the government messed up the rollout or something
I saw on news the rate is not great here either
I think with the the more people don’t take or get access to it then more people will think that we don’t need it and just want to keep borders shut
Pretty stupid reasoning, it’s saying they want to keep borders shut till this time next year aka elections
Unsure if local airlines will have any workers left by then
Just an example but 6 month wait on new cars and second hand cars are worth more than pre covid, just supply and demand sort of thing
Can’t even go buy a caravan if you had the cash, 12-18 month wait on new builds just no stock cause people that would have been travelling the world are just seeing Australia now
That’s sick you guys got the vaccine yeah you’d be so hyped to get out without a mask
Fuck yeah
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Just got my first Moderna shot. Didn’t even feel it.
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Just got my first Moderna shot. Didn’t even feel it.
just wait till the second one lol
its brutal
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Got Pfizer dose #1 about 18hrs ago. Barely felt the shot, was a little tired last night, woke up with a sore arm but don’t feel too bad yet otherwise.
Not too hyped for dose #2 after reading this thread lol.
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Just got my first Moderna shot. Didn’t even feel it.
just wait till the second one lol
its brutal
Got my 2nd dose Saturday and you definitely feel something is fucked but its so weird how its over in like 24 hours ...monday it was like nothing happened besides my arm hurting
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Pump yourself full of kratom & Gatorade for 48 hours after getting your second shot
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ive been fully vaccinated with moderna for like a couple weeks now, and i live in a small beach town in Florida so usually im never wearing a mask when i do things now.
even if i wasn't vaccinated, majority of the businesses in my area don't even require masks. i just got the vaccine so that i can be safe around my grandpa and i really don't give a shit about people getting the vaccine or not. i dont really care about any of speculations about what the vaccine could possibly do to you, i really just got it so that i can say i got and not wear a mask anymore.
majority of the places that i frequent (st pete, orlando, etc) aren't even super stingy about masks anymore, and i like being vaccinated because i personally am so fucking fatigued about wearing them. even in orlando recently i forgot to grab my mask while stopping by a VERY woke/libtard bakery and i had no issues at all; i was the only person in the place without a mask, and it was packed.
that being said i am a moderate to small sized skater dude that usually looks pretty well dressed and i would think its pretty easy to assume that i am vaccinated. i still have one friend that insists on wearing a mask all the time even though hes vaccinated (he will still wear a mask while skating with me) and i think hes a goofball for that but would never tell him that and i respect his choice about it.
Pump yourself full of kratom & Gatorade for 48 hours after getting your second shot
this was posted as i was typing but its funny because during both shots i was chugging kratom like a mothafucka
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I'm glad you caved in although you should just tell your friend what you think of his mask wearing. He should be able to make an informed choice about wanting to continue to hang with you after shit talking him anonymously on slap. You sound like a shitty "friend ".
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Just got my first Moderna shot. Didn’t even feel it.
just wait till the second one lol
its brutal
That bad huh ? How’d it make you feel ?
I had my first dose over 24 hours ago and besides feeling like I got punched in the arm this morning, I feel nothing.
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I'm glad you caved in although you should just tell your friend what you think of his mask wearing. He should be able to make an informed choice about wanting to continue to hang with you after shit talking him anonymously on slap. You sound like a shitty "friend ".
he knows where i stand on masks. he's not a sensitive idiot so he probably wouldn't even bat an eyelash after seeing my post and wouldn't probably get a kick out of me calling him a goofball for it
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Just got my first Moderna shot. Didn’t even feel it.
just wait till the second one lol
its brutal
That bad huh ? How’s it make you feel ?
I had my first does over 24 hours ago and besides feeling like I got punched in the arm this morning, I feel nothing.
Getting on the train to head out to the 'burbs to get my first shoot.
Stoked just to get this shit over with, but bummed I might have to go back to the office sooner than expected. The only good thing about this whole pandemic has been the awesomeness of not going into an office ever. Telecommuting is awesome... not sure I'm going back to my job.
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damn now im scuurrrred to get my 2nd shot
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damn now im scuurrrred to get my 2nd shot
Hydrate like an mf before and after. Everyone I know that's been super hydrated has had little to no side effects after the second shot. Obviously, not guaranteed, but hydration seems like the key to staving off the worst of the side effects. I was wild worried beforehand too, but felt absolutely fine after the second pfizer (not even any arm pain).
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damn now im scuurrrred to get my 2nd shot
Hydrate like an mf before and after. Everyone I know that's been super hydrated has had little to no side effects after the second shot. Obviously, not guaranteed, but hydration seems like the key to staving off the worst of the side effects. I was wild worried beforehand too, but felt absolutely fine after the second pfizer (not even any arm pain).
Yeah, this. Hydrate, get some electrolytes flowing. Before and after.
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My 2nd moderna was less noticeable than the first.
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damn now im scuurrrred to get my 2nd shot
Don't be. It's not guaranteed you'll feel crummy so don't get anxious about it. Just do take in fluids, rest, and don't drink booze before. I went into it doing things I would do if I felt like I was coming down with something before I took my shot and the second one was actually milder than the first.
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so far after my first shot, I'm feeling alright.
I felt like someone punched me in the arm last night, but other than that I'm alright. (I think.)
Update: Night after getting first shot. I still feel pretty much normal. No real issues, which is awesome.
@bigdave Jealous that people are being entered in lotteries in the US just for getting vaccinated. Fuck, can you imagine being one the people who wins 1.5 million just because you got vaccinated? 1.5 is just enough to chill for the rest of life my no problem. It might not be enough to create mud, but it would be enough to take it easy for sure.
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Oh yeah California is getting in on the vax rewards now too.
https://covid19.ca.gov/vax-for-the-win/
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Hey there, reporting from europe here!
I am working with disabled and/ or mentally ill people and lots of high risk group for catching covid!
I had my first astra zeneca shot april 9th, my second dose is set for beginning of july.
Got my first shot around noon, then started to feel like a classic flu around 8 in the evening. Cold sweats, joint and muscle pain, kinda solid headache.
Worst part was being so cold i couldn't get myself to get out of bed and i thought about just pissing myself just that i don't have to freeze to death on the way to the bathroom. Seriously felt like THAT cold. But made it to the bathroom eventually ;D
finally fell asleep 3 in the morning and woke up 3 in the afternoon next day. still a little headache, otherwise good.
Next day i did a 10km bike ride no problem and went skating two days later.
riding my bike and skating i felt so light and easy, just because i felt so releaved (how i spell that?) that i got my vaccine and am kinda safe. Took a lot of weight of me mentally.
I did not drink alcohol the week coming up to the vaccination, tried to eat and sleep regularly and hydrate wich never is a bad idea!
Another bad part was that they started reporting about the bloodclots caused by the Astra vaccine heavily on the news just the week up to my first shot.
Another thing: My mom and a good friend of mine all had astra too since it was the only available at the time. Everybody felt kinda exactly the way they feel when they get a flu! Talked to more people at work after and everybody seemed to be like that. Haven't met too many people with 2 Pfizer shots yet....
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Had both Pfizer shots. No reaction apart from sore arm.
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2nd Pfizer shot put me through the wringer yesterday, like a really bad case of the flu minus throwing up. Almost totally better today.
Here’s what I would recommend to anyone who still needs to get theirs, based on my experience and what happened to people I know:
Do everything you can to get the day following your shot free from responsibilities.
Before you get the shot, get/make a couple days worth of healthy food that you like eating. Have a small treat or two around for comfort food too. Most likely you’ll just be out of commission for a day if you do get side-effects, but better to take it easy on yourself. If the food needs any preparation at all, do as much as possible in advance. If you feel sick, you’re not going to want to do it. The more you can do ahead, the better you will eat, and the food will act as fuel to help your body fight. Don’t get things you don’t really like because it’s hard enough to force yourself to eat shit you don’t want normally, let alone when you’re sick.
Get movies, books, whatever stuff you can enjoy to pass the time in bed. Make sure you have any chargers etc ... the last thing you’ll want to do if you feel sick is go looking for them. You may end up using few to none of these things but better to have them should you not end up feeling so bad, yet still need to rest. Keep extra clothes by your bed too in case you alternate between feeling hot and cold.
If possible, get a late afternoon appointment. Mine was at 4pm. The side-effects started kicking in about 4 hours later; when they did, I went to bed early.
Drink a lot of water (don’t chug it all at once, just keep drinking consistently) before and after your appointment, but stop about an hour/1.5 hours before you anticipate going to bed based on what I said above so you won’t be waking up to go to the bathroom.
Take your temperature before you go to bed if you have a thermometer.
Do everything you can so nothing will wake you up the next morning and you can sleep as long as your body needs to. Keep phone on silent, take care of everything needed for the next day in advance, use a fan as a noise machine if you anticipate a racket. Ideally you will sleep as long as possible, to miss as much as you can of potentially feeling sick.
When you do wake up for the next day, take your temperature if you have a thermometer. Drink water and eat well consistently throughout the day even if you don’t feel like it. It will help your system fight and circulate everything it needs to. I personally wanted to let my body do its thing so I didn’t take any medicine until 24 hours after I got the shot, when my fever kept climbing; after I took Advil, many of the symptoms including fever quickly went away and haven’t come back.
Know it’s not going to last. If you ever had a bad hangover or the flu, you can do this. It just feels weird because something that’s going to help you is initially making you feel like crap.
Try to find something laughable if you can. I had really sore joints, especially my middle fingers. Clearly my body wants COVID to go fuck itself. Or just tell yourself, “Looks like Leia forgot” ...
http://xkcd.com/2425/
This was long but hope it helps someone. Good luck everybody
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I got Pfizer’d yesterday. My arm is a little sore today.
Edit: I should add, I always get a sore arm from intramuscular injections. It’s not bad, just like a sore muscle.
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Well, my G's, I flew across the US the other day and it was pretty sweet. Definitely, if nothing else other than relieving my personal anxiety, worth getting the shots. I got home and could see my parents, my brand new nephew, my other family and not worry about killing them. Big ups
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Sick. Happy for you, man!
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Pfizer #2 wasn't bad at all for me. Subtle body soreness and a bit of a cloudy mind but thats it, still fully productive with work the day after. 28 years old
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Was basically fine after dose 1 Pfizer except for a sore arm. Got dose 2 Moderna yesterday afternoon and I’m tired, foggy, and achy as hell today. Arm feels way worse than 1st one too. Should’ve taken the day off, instead I’m at work and my boss decided to come hang out on the job site today. Not having any sick days is such bullshit. Really need to mow my lawn too but that ain’t happening.
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Any idea when we’re gonna have to start getting our booster shots? Is 6 months the idea?
don’t tell me everyone isn’t gonna get their booster shot when it’s time..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_gk3X5UEE
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I got #2 yesterday at 9AM. They gave me moderna this time. They’ve done nothing to encourage brand loyalty. I feel hungover today, which is kind of cool, considering I quit boozing a few years ago. Headache, mild nausea, malaise, aches. Classic booze blues. Ah…memories. Plus I’m kind of fucked up and part of me believes I deserve to suffer, so this suits me just fine.
Edit: the injection site is a bit sore, too. I took some Tylenol and drank some water and I feel almost back to 100%.
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Even if you got that vaccine I’d air on the side of caution still. My mother in law is double vaccinated with that moderna and still caught the delta variant. Fuck if I know how this will ever end. Be safe.
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Oh, for sure. If I understand correctly, it would be two weeks until I will have produced enough antibodies to confer any advantage, and even then I understand that it may only reduce the probability of serious health consequences if I am infected. And I’m not going to lie, I really like wearing face coverings and the abundance of free hand sanitizer, so I’m not giving up the pandemic lifestyle any time soon.
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Any idea when we’re gonna have to start getting our booster shots? Is 6 months the idea?
don’t tell me everyone isn’t gonna get their booster shot when it’s time..
I wish they’d hurry up with it though. I got the vaxed at the beginning of February and 6 months is right around the corner.
I’m still masked up when I go inside businesses. Outside, home, family, no. I really don’t like how places are jumping the gun on reopening at full capacity, masks are “suggested,” etc.
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My gf got some pretty crazy side effects from her moderna shots. She had the usual flu like symptoms, which is normal, but they lasted for like 10 days or so. That’s not the weirdest part tho. The weirdest part is that the shots seem to have made some old viral infections she had years ago flare back up. Her lymph nodes were lumpy for almost a month. She’s fine now but I guess these vaccines are pretty gnarly.
Edit: just wanna clarify that I’m not some kind of anti-vaccine maniac. I got my shots and I just had the usual day or two of side effects, no big deal. Just sharing some of the weirder side effects that happen to people once in a while.
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Pfizer #1 got me a sore arm and small headache the morning after.
Pfizer #2 I only got the sore arm. Stoked and vaxxed !
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I feel fine today.
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I feel like I get soreness at the injection site sporadically still, and it's been months. Could be phantom, could be real.
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I feel fine today.
Good news! Stoked you're feeling better.
My mother in law and my wife's niece continue to decline the vaccine and there's nothing I can do to convince either one.
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Good news! Stoked you're feeling better.
My mother in law and my wife's niece continue to decline the vaccine and there's nothing I can do to convince either one.
Thank you. Overall, it felt like a mild hangover. Would do again. I empathize with your situation with your stubborn in-laws. Stubborn people are going to make things difficult.
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Even if you got that vaccine I’d air on the side of caution still. My mother in law is double vaccinated with that moderna and still caught the delta variant. Fuck if I know how this will ever end. Be safe.
Do you know if she caught it when she was 2 weeks post both vaccines? Shit is scary
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Even if you got that vaccine I’d air on the side of caution still. My mother in law is double vaccinated with that moderna and still caught the delta variant. Fuck if I know how this will ever end. Be safe.
Ya dawg, I've got no problem wearing a mask when I go in a store. I live in the 2nd least vaxxed county in CA and its a travel destination, so I'm just playing cool. Hope your MIL is ok
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Sweden here:
Got first Pfizer five minutes ago. Sitter here waiting for the side effects to kick in and kill me... Like the ex-junkie that I am..
Oh, I'm 34, so we're kind of slow...
Edit:
Four hours later: The site feels weird. I feel kind of weird, but ok. Probably paying way too much attention to subtle changes.
Day after: Damn, my shoulder, bro... Mind feels sluggish, but ok.
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i, by no means, am anti-vax, but i saw this last night and it’s pretty concerning and thought about sharing it
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRMwIsIjews/?utm_medium=copy_link
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i, by no means, am anti-vax, but i saw this last night and it’s pretty concerning and thought about sharing it
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRMwIsIjews/?utm_medium=copy_link
That is absolutely heartbreaking. :(
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Sweden here:
Got first Pfizer five minutes ago. Sitter here waiting for the side effects to kick in and kill me... Like the ex-junkie that I am..
Oh, I'm 34, so we're kind of slow...
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Four hours later: The site feels weird. I feel kind of weird, but ok. Probably paying way too much attention to subtle changes.
Day after: Damn, my shoulder, bro... Mind feels sluggish, but ok.
I’m a similar age and I spent from age 18-29 drunk, chain smoking, and full of pills. I believe you should have ex-junkie powers and be a-ok! I hope you’re feeling better. My arm always gets very sore after intramuscular injections, too.
I also hope your mother in law is doing alright, mushroom slice.
And sace, it’s natural to feel apprehensive, but I believe without knowing this young woman’s full medical history/ without having gone to medical school, we cannot diagnose a cause for her condition based on an Instagram post.
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I’ve been hearing more and more stories about breakthrough infections lately, really sucks. None of them seem to be too serious but it’s an argument in favor of continuing at least a little bit of caution.
Acquaintances in NYC all got flu symptoms after going to big Pride parties, joked about catching “the gay flu,” and then realized later that in many cases it was Covid. Also a DJ who played a big club night posted to IG a few days later saying “whoops sorry guys turns out I may have had Covid when we were partying together.”
All of their symptoms are pretty mild compared to bad Covid, nobody’s in the hospital or anything, but it’s a reminder that us younger people should still exercise caution if we’re about to visit older family or friends with immune problems, or hell, even go into a grocery store or pharmacy where high risk people might be around. Keep the masks handy and when in doubt, go get a rapid test (you can buy them at a drugstore to test yourself at home now).
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If you got vaxxed you better start living your life cuz it’s gonna be short or start living in a bubble because you have no immunity anymore, eta to death 2022 from normal ass flu.
What are you going on about here?
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just got my second shot today. Stoked.
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i, by no means, am anti-vax, but i saw this last night and it’s pretty concerning and thought about sharing it
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRMwIsIjews/?utm_medium=copy_link
reading her mother's post and seeing this fucked my morning up.
just like that young lady, it was the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine that is also suspected of killing this teenager from Michigan.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/07/02/covid-19-vaccine-death-michigan-teen-saginaw-county-cdc-investigation-zilwaukee/7841643002/
https://nypost.com/2021/07/05/michigan-boy-dies-in-his-sleep-three-days-after-getting-vaccine/
i don't see any info on the CDC's subsequent investigation/research yet...
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Says the guy who is spreading lies himself. Suits the racist shit you posted here: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=117685.msg3599382#msg3599382
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I’ve been hearing more and more stories about breakthrough infections lately, really sucks. None of them seem to be too serious but it’s an argument in favor of continuing at least a little bit of caution.
Acquaintances in NYC all got flu symptoms after going to big Pride parties, joked about catching “the gay flu,” and then realized later that in many cases it was Covid. Also a DJ who played a big club night posted to IG a few days later saying “whoops sorry guys turns out I may have had Covid when we were partying together.”
All of their symptoms are pretty mild compared to bad Covid, nobody’s in the hospital or anything, but it’s a reminder that us younger people should still exercise caution if we’re about to visit older family or friends with immune problems, or hell, even go into a grocery store or pharmacy where high risk people might be around. Keep the masks handy and when in doubt, go get a rapid test (you can buy them at a drugstore to test yourself at home now).
I got my second vaccine then caught covid about 3 weeks later. Got really ill with a bad fever, hot and cold sweating my ass off. It only lasted two days though and luckily no breathing issues. No way I would've had to go to hospital. Makes me thankful I caught it when I did as who knows what would've happened if I'd got it before the jabs. But yeah it's certainly still infecting people, especially here where the Delta variant is tearing through the country.
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When I first started my regular job, I was surprised to see quite a few 40-ish coworkers already deep down the conspiracy hole, their mind gone really. But now, with anti-vaxxers going into overdrive over the COVID vaccine, I can now observe this mental death spiral in real time through their FB posts and it is sad to see.
I must say, I way very surprised (positively) when Biden straight up said that Facebook is killing people by giving these nutjobs a consequence-free platform to spread their misinformation.
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my mom just told me her 75 year old boyfriend has been making bootleg copies of his own vaccine card so that his anti-vax buddies can use them to get into concerts and other public events
this guy is on dialysis 3x a week, and he was in the hospital for almost a month with covid last winter.
people are fucking deranged.
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A naturalist "doctor" got arrested here last week for taking vaccine cards and selling "covid pellets" which were supposed to give a lifetime immunity... Lol
What gets me about that is these people are somehow anti vax, despite all the documentation on them. yet will take a focus pellet from some quack with absolutely zero studies or science backing it
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Apparently The FDA just made J&J toss 60 million doses because they were made in a "troubled plant".
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Apparently The FDA just made J&J toss 60 million doses because they were made in a "troubled plant".
As someone who’s already fully vaccinated I’ve been seeing more news lately that’s been pointing out dangers and risks of taking the vaccines. I only have one friend who’s pretty vaccine hesitant (him and his kids have every vaccine except covid so far), and he sends me article after article with reaction and death reports. I hope I don’t sound ignorant when I say I really don’t know what to believe/trust anymore, and now seeing people push getting the vaccine gives me the same uneasy feeling as people who are against it. Just my two cents. I support getting the vaccine but I guess I can understand people who are hesitant in terms of science and long term effects (to an extent). Can a pal break it down for me and put my mind at ease?
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Got the Moderna shots in my dick, now I shoot vaccine cum bullets.
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The number of vaccine adverse reactions seems to be incredibly low compared to how many have been vaccinated, but it's difficult to see stuff like this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRbw8NEsOc6/
from her post:
March 18th, 2021 is the day that I made a decision that flipped my entire world upside down.
I’ve been EXTREMELY quiet about this decision and the adverse effects that it has caused me simply because I didn’t want to scare anyone out of making their own decision on receiving the vax..
With all this being said, I made the decision to get my vax before I left Las Vegas to move back to my home state of North Carolina because I wanted to play it safe and make sure those around me weren’t in harms way. I also do have underlying autoimmune issues which I have openly talked about for a while now.
I’m not ashamed of why I received the vax because I know my heart was in a good place and my intentions were pure..and yet here I am struggling with adverse side effects from this life changing decision.
Doctors have been pretty lost on what exactly is going on..running multiple tests, medical imaging and neurological exams coming back with no answers..
Here’s just a glimpse of what I’ve been dealing with-
Symptoms that come and go:
Dystonia
Difficulty walking and weakness within the legs
Dull aching & sharp shooting pains within the legs
Vertigo
Heart palpitations
Lack of sensation throughout the body
Cold sensation in the legs
Pain behind the eyes
Tremor in right hand
Symptoms that are 24/7:
Short term memory loss
Trouble forming sentences
Feeling out of body
Depth perception is off
Visual Changes
Severe brain fog
I am not sharing this post to scare anyone out of making their own decision, however I do believe that people must know exactly what the risks are. These stories shouldn’t be so hidden on social media platforms or the news and I’m done being so quiet about this..
If there is anyone out there that is experiencing something similar don’t be afraid to let your voice be heard. Please share!!! I can use all the insight and help I can get right now..
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Again, without knowing their medical history, without having gone to medical school, we cannot draw conclusions based on a Instagram post. You’re better off not believing anything you see online.
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Again, without knowing their medical history, without having gone to medical school, we cannot draw conclusions based on a Instagram post. You’re better off not believing anything you see online.
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Again, without knowing their medical history, without having gone to medical school, we cannot draw conclusions based on a Instagram post. You’re better off not believing anything you see online.
anything?
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Again, without knowing their medical history, without having gone to medical school, we cannot draw conclusions based on a Instagram post. You’re better off not believing anything you see online.
anything?
Anything. Even me. Oh, wait…
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So the 2021 version of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0)
Which ended with her getting caught playing with her dog in a park and saying she just randomly made a full recovery.
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saying she just randomly made a full recovery.
Good for her, I guess.
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The number of vaccine adverse reactions seems to be incredibly low compared to how many have been vaccinated, but it's difficult to see stuff like this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRbw8NEsOc6/
from her post:
March 18th, 2021 is the day that I made a decision that flipped my entire world upside down.
I’ve been EXTREMELY quiet about this decision and the adverse effects that it has caused me simply because I didn’t want to scare anyone out of making their own decision on receiving the vax..
With all this being said, I made the decision to get my vax before I left Las Vegas to move back to my home state of North Carolina because I wanted to play it safe and make sure those around me weren’t in harms way. I also do have underlying autoimmune issues which I have openly talked about for a while now.
I’m not ashamed of why I received the vax because I know my heart was in a good place and my intentions were pure..and yet here I am struggling with adverse side effects from this life changing decision.
Doctors have been pretty lost on what exactly is going on..running multiple tests, medical imaging and neurological exams coming back with no answers..
Here’s just a glimpse of what I’ve been dealing with-
Symptoms that come and go:
Dystonia
Difficulty walking and weakness within the legs
Dull aching & sharp shooting pains within the legs
Vertigo
Heart palpitations
Lack of sensation throughout the body
Cold sensation in the legs
Pain behind the eyes
Tremor in right hand
Symptoms that are 24/7:
Short term memory loss
Trouble forming sentences
Feeling out of body
Depth perception is off
Visual Changes
Severe brain fog
I am not sharing this post to scare anyone out of making their own decision, however I do believe that people must know exactly what the risks are. These stories shouldn’t be so hidden on social media platforms or the news and I’m done being so quiet about this..
If there is anyone out there that is experiencing something similar don’t be afraid to let your voice be heard. Please share!!! I can use all the insight and help I can get right now..
Lol this is 100% fake news for clout and attention.
If not, well...she's fine now.
Get vaccinated folks.
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people who ONLY have pictures of themselves on their instagram are seriously scary.
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finally got an appointment to get my first dose on sunday, stoked!
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Apparently The FDA just made J&J toss 60 million doses because they were made in a "troubled plant".
As someone who’s already fully vaccinated I’ve been seeing more news lately that’s been pointing out dangers and risks of taking the vaccines. I only have one friend who’s pretty vaccine hesitant (him and his kids have every vaccine except covid so far), and he sends me article after article with reaction and death reports. I hope I don’t sound ignorant when I say I really don’t know what to believe/trust anymore, and now seeing people push getting the vaccine gives me the same uneasy feeling as people who are against it. Just my two cents. I support getting the vaccine but I guess I can understand people who are hesitant in terms of science and long term effects (to an extent). Can a pal break it down for me and put my mind at ease?
For every article they send you about reactions to the vaccine you should send him a few thousand seperate reports of somebody dying from covid
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finally got an appointment to get my first dose on sunday, stoked!
Nice!
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finally got an appointment to get my first dose on sunday, stoked!
good on you Frank.
since i'm figuring the university campuses where i will be teaching this fall will be mandating vaccination, i'm figuring it's finally about time for me to get the first Moderna myself...
edit: by the way, for the people in here who have read my few comments as being anti-vaccination, or whatever, they have not been. i've put off getting them to make my own informed decisions and because i'm still yet to do shit like eat in restaurants and go to parties...
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How long do y’all think it will be until society (at least in the US/NA where covid has raged for over a year) reaches a level of “covid acceptance” where we are no longer counting every single infection, but only focusing on cases which resulted in serious illness/death? My wife and I are both fully vaccinated, and we attended a live show last week. She has some sniffles and a light cough and we are planning on taking a trip next week but we’re in a weird place where we wonder if we’re carrying covid and displaying light to no symptoms. At what point do we say fuck it/not get tested for covid and press on with life? I know it depends on who you ask because everyone still has a big opinion on it, but I think it’s an interesting discussion we should have at some point
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not now at least that's for sure, go get tested
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not now at least that's for sure, go get tested
Yeah definitely the plan to still get tested and call off any travels in the event of a positive test. Just getting exhausted trying to take this much care when half of the eligible population in this country is fucking refusing to even get vaccinated. It fills me with spite, honestly
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I'm not seeing many reports on lymph node reactions to the vaccine, so here's my story.
In 2015 I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, had all my treatment and got the all clear by late 2016.
A few weeks ago I felt a lump just above my collarbone on the left side of my neck. It felt so similar to the time I first felt the thyroid cancer, but this time it had a dull ache.
I had multiple examinations that very same day due to my history and I was booked in for scans and a biopsy a few days later. Turns out this grape sized lump was one of my lymph nodes reacting to the vaccine, and the oncologists have seen this pop up quite a bit recently especially amongst patients that have gone through thyroid and breast cancer as the nodes are swelling in the neck, armpit and breast areas.
Just thought it was worth mentioning in case anyone has found any lumps within a few weeks of receiving their dose.
Obviously this kind of thing is worth getting checked out regardless!
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not now at least that's for sure, go get tested
Its been exhausting, for sure, and please try to keep in mind, for your sake and that of others who are immune marginalized or older, that there is a wide scale right wing misinformation campaign going on, primarily in the US, that has little if anything to do with the actual virus or vaccinations. Its about sowing discord over "rights" and "liberties" regarding the virus while things such as abortion rights, voting rights, gender equality laws/statutes, and economic justice are being turned back at the fastest rates in most of our lifetimes. Its a very, very powerful and potent propaganda campaign. So although many have bought into it, don't give up. Keep doing what's right. My pop used to say something to the effect of "just because those kids over there walked off a bridge, would you?" This new form of propaganda and right-wing psy-ops is especially hard to bear in the era of 24/7 news, social media, and so-called "fake news." While for many in the states, those in power have destroyed public trust for all of our lives, the destruction of trust has mostly been a by-product of actions that don't benefit the people or have a directly negative effect. what's happening now however, with this wide scale push of conspiracy theories appears to be a very deliberate method of creating disruption of faith and relations.
Stay strong and get well. Shit has only just begun. Sooner we see it as such, the sooner we can start to grow stronger.
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Again, without knowing their medical history, without having gone to medical school, we cannot draw conclusions based on a Instagram post. You’re better off not believing anything you see online.
So there aren't sexy singles in my area who want to have sex with me?
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The number of vaccine adverse reactions seems to be incredibly low compared to how many have been vaccinated, but it's difficult to see stuff like this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRbw8NEsOc6/
from her post:
March 18th, 2021 is the day that I made a decision that flipped my entire world upside down.
I’ve been EXTREMELY quiet about this decision and the adverse effects that it has caused me simply because I didn’t want to scare anyone out of making their own decision on receiving the vax..
With all this being said, I made the decision to get my vax before I left Las Vegas to move back to my home state of North Carolina because I wanted to play it safe and make sure those around me weren’t in harms way. I also do have underlying autoimmune issues which I have openly talked about for a while now.
I’m not ashamed of why I received the vax because I know my heart was in a good place and my intentions were pure..and yet here I am struggling with adverse side effects from this life changing decision.
Doctors have been pretty lost on what exactly is going on..running multiple tests, medical imaging and neurological exams coming back with no answers..
Here’s just a glimpse of what I’ve been dealing with-
Symptoms that come and go:
Dystonia
Difficulty walking and weakness within the legs
Dull aching & sharp shooting pains within the legs
Vertigo
Heart palpitations
Lack of sensation throughout the body
Cold sensation in the legs
Pain behind the eyes
Tremor in right hand
Symptoms that are 24/7:
Short term memory loss
Trouble forming sentences
Feeling out of body
Depth perception is off
Visual Changes
Severe brain fog
I am not sharing this post to scare anyone out of making their own decision, however I do believe that people must know exactly what the risks are. These stories shouldn’t be so hidden on social media platforms or the news and I’m done being so quiet about this..
If there is anyone out there that is experiencing something similar don’t be afraid to let your voice be heard. Please share!!! I can use all the insight and help I can get right now..
Lol this is 100% fake news for clout and attention.
If not, well...she's fine now.
Get vaccinated folks.
The dead giveaway for me that she is a hoax is her referring to "getting the vax" and "the vax did this to me". She would probably use the whole word if she had actually been vaccinated and if this was the possible cause of her "ailment".
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Apparently The FDA just made J&J toss 60 million doses because they were made in a "troubled plant".
As someone who’s already fully vaccinated I’ve been seeing more news lately that’s been pointing out dangers and risks of taking the vaccines. I only have one friend who’s pretty vaccine hesitant (him and his kids have every vaccine except covid so far), and he sends me article after article with reaction and death reports. I hope I don’t sound ignorant when I say I really don’t know what to believe/trust anymore, and now seeing people push getting the vaccine gives me the same uneasy feeling as people who are against it. Just my two cents. I support getting the vaccine but I guess I can understand people who are hesitant in terms of science and long term effects (to an extent). Can a pal break it down for me and put my mind at ease?
For every article they send you about reactions to the vaccine you should send him a few thousand seperate reports of somebody dying from covid
This, if you're so committed to balanced research.
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The number of vaccine adverse reactions seems to be incredibly low compared to how many have been vaccinated, but it's difficult to see stuff like this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRbw8NEsOc6/
from her post:
March 18th, 2021 is the day that I made a decision that flipped my entire world upside down.
I’ve been EXTREMELY quiet about this decision and the adverse effects that it has caused me simply because I didn’t want to scare anyone out of making their own decision on receiving the vax..
With all this being said, I made the decision to get my vax before I left Las Vegas to move back to my home state of North Carolina because I wanted to play it safe and make sure those around me weren’t in harms way. I also do have underlying autoimmune issues which I have openly talked about for a while now.
I’m not ashamed of why I received the vax because I know my heart was in a good place and my intentions were pure..and yet here I am struggling with adverse side effects from this life changing decision.
Doctors have been pretty lost on what exactly is going on..running multiple tests, medical imaging and neurological exams coming back with no answers..
Here’s just a glimpse of what I’ve been dealing with-
Symptoms that come and go:
Dystonia
Difficulty walking and weakness within the legs
Dull aching & sharp shooting pains within the legs
Vertigo
Heart palpitations
Lack of sensation throughout the body
Cold sensation in the legs
Pain behind the eyes
Tremor in right hand
Symptoms that are 24/7:
Short term memory loss
Trouble forming sentences
Feeling out of body
Depth perception is off
Visual Changes
Severe brain fog
I am not sharing this post to scare anyone out of making their own decision, however I do believe that people must know exactly what the risks are. These stories shouldn’t be so hidden on social media platforms or the news and I’m done being so quiet about this..
If there is anyone out there that is experiencing something similar don’t be afraid to let your voice be heard. Please share!!! I can use all the insight and help I can get right now..
Lol this is 100% fake news for clout and attention.
If not, well...she's fine now.
Get vaccinated folks.
Also funny how she doesn't mention which vaccine she got (unless I missed it). It's a pretty important detail.
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I have been hesitant about it because of how new it is but I just had open heart surgery for endocarditis in February so it was better for me to get the vaccination than to get COVID. Had no side effects from shot #1.
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Looked like she was a spastic ahem I mean cerebral paulsy my bad
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So the 2021 version of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0)
Which ended with her getting caught playing with her dog in a park and saying she just randomly made a full recovery.
Come on man, what you don't realize is how devastating this whole ordeal was for her personal life. Her fiance ended up leaving her over it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtyxJSGM3x0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtyxJSGM3x0)
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Just got my moderna #2 two days ago. So far, it's just a sore arm. I stayed hydrated, plenty of gatorade and naked juice before and after. Stay safe out there folks!
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got shot with bioshock 1 yesterday. all website load faster now. my left arm hurts a bit and i a can't put it above my head. i feel alright, kind of tired. and i think i was feverish for a few hours. that's it.
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The number of vaccine adverse reactions seems to be incredibly low compared to how many have been vaccinated, but it's difficult to see stuff like this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRbw8NEsOc6/
from her post:
March 18th, 2021 is the day that I made a decision that flipped my entire world upside down.
I’ve been EXTREMELY quiet about this decision and the adverse effects that it has caused me simply because I didn’t want to scare anyone out of making their own decision on receiving the vax..
With all this being said, I made the decision to get my vax before I left Las Vegas to move back to my home state of North Carolina because I wanted to play it safe and make sure those around me weren’t in harms way. I also do have underlying autoimmune issues which I have openly talked about for a while now.
I’m not ashamed of why I received the vax because I know my heart was in a good place and my intentions were pure..and yet here I am struggling with adverse side effects from this life changing decision.
Doctors have been pretty lost on what exactly is going on..running multiple tests, medical imaging and neurological exams coming back with no answers..
Here’s just a glimpse of what I’ve been dealing with-
Symptoms that come and go:
Dystonia
Difficulty walking and weakness within the legs
Dull aching & sharp shooting pains within the legs
Vertigo
Heart palpitations
Lack of sensation throughout the body
Cold sensation in the legs
Pain behind the eyes
Tremor in right hand
Symptoms that are 24/7:
Short term memory loss
Trouble forming sentences
Feeling out of body
Depth perception is off
Visual Changes
Severe brain fog
I am not sharing this post to scare anyone out of making their own decision, however I do believe that people must know exactly what the risks are. These stories shouldn’t be so hidden on social media platforms or the news and I’m done being so quiet about this..
If there is anyone out there that is experiencing something similar don’t be afraid to let your voice be heard. Please share!!! I can use all the insight and help I can get right now..
Lol this is 100% fake news for clout and attention.
If not, well...she's fine now.
Get vaccinated folks.
And for cash. Since she's got a gofundme set up now. Going to take the cash, go silent for a week or two, then come back plugging some holistic shit that she's selling saying it cured her.
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Amazing that she managed to do her hair and makeup for the shot while shaking like that. Never seen a seizure look so hot.
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"Dominique was rushed to the hospital after 7 days of suffering severe cramping in the legs, trouble walking, numbness/coldness and lightening like sensation in the legs."
I too was rushed to a hospital after having those symptoms for seven days.
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Got my second dose two weeks ago (Astra Zeneca / Oxford) - so I guess I am in the clear now . . .
Huge psychological relief, even though I am rarely in large crowds or indoor spaces.
No sever reactions to report (just the normal arm pain and fatigue for a couple days).
One thing I noticed a few days after both doses was a 2-4 zits pop up random places on my body that were kinda gnarly; I never have those kind of skin issues. Reading into it I found that skin reactions due to the auto-immune response are pretty common, and can actually be much worse (hives, itching, rash of large area of body).
While I understand the hesitancy to get vaccinated, it seems the choice is becoming to either contract the virus or try out the vaccine.
My decision was made pretty easily, as my family lives on the other side of the world and I haven't seen them in a couple years.
Shalom; stay safe.
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Sweden here:
Got first Pfizer five minutes ago. Sitter here waiting for the side effects to kick in and kill me... Like the ex-junkie that I am..
Oh, I'm 34, so we're kind of slow...
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Four hours later: The site feels weird. I feel kind of weird, but ok. Probably paying way too much attention to subtle changes.
Day after: Damn, my shoulder, bro... Mind feels sluggish, but ok.
uk here, got 1st pfizer last friday, im assuming you had the 10/15 minute wait after too? that shit was anxiety inducing. ended up going skating shortly after, sore arm kicked in about 4/5 hours later but aside from that felt absolutely fine.
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Has anyone got, or know anyone that has Pericarditis after the Pfizer vaccine? I have it, and I'm freaking that it's gonna hang around or recur. Had a scan today and get results back on Monday.
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I just got the first vaccine a couple days ago.
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My arm was pretty sore and all my muscles felt really sore the night of my shot and the next day. My body is always sore but the first night I was more more sore than normal.
The next day I felt like I had no power at the gym.
I was a little tired after the shot and tired the day after.
That’s all the side effect I felt from the first one.
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Has anyone got, or know anyone that has Pericarditis after the Pfizer vaccine? I have it, and I'm freaking that it's gonna hang around or recur. Had a scan today and get results back on Monday.
I do not wish to offer you empty reassurances, but it is my understanding that tissue inflammation from vaccines are temporary, and due to an immune response. I would expect to recover shortly, and I would not anticipate recurrence. I would not engage in strenuous physical activity until you get the results back, though. That said, I’m sorry to hear you are experiencing a negative outcome, and I hope you recover swiftly and without complication.
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Has anyone got, or know anyone that has Pericarditis after the Pfizer vaccine? I have it, and I'm freaking that it's gonna hang around or recur. Had a scan today and get results back on Monday.
I do not wish to offer you empty reassurances, but it is my understanding that tissue inflammation from vaccines are temporary, and due to an immune response. I would expect to recover shortly, and I would not anticipate recurrence. I would not engage in strenuous physical activity until you get the results back, though. That said, I’m sorry to hear you are experiencing a negative outcome, and I hope you recover swiftly and without complication.
Thanks Janus. I've heard similar things from a couple of sources in the last few hours, so that'll go a long way to keeping me calm before I get the results. Was a bit loathe to talk to anyone about it, let alone speak about it on a message board. I really don't wanna fuel the anti vax fire that's raging atm. It's pretty common to get it from covid by the looks, and I imagine that's a lot worse.
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Has anyone got, or know anyone that has Pericarditis after the Pfizer vaccine? I have it, and I'm freaking that it's gonna hang around or recur. Had a scan today and get results back on Monday.
I do not wish to offer you empty reassurances, but it is my understanding that tissue inflammation from vaccines are temporary, and due to an immune response. I would expect to recover shortly, and I would not anticipate recurrence. I would not engage in strenuous physical activity until you get the results back, though. That said, I’m sorry to hear you are experiencing a negative outcome, and I hope you recover swiftly and without complication.
Thanks Janus. I've heard similar things from a couple of sources in the last few hours, so that'll go a long way to keeping me calm before I get the results. Was a bit loathe to talk to anyone about it, let alone speak about it on a message board. I really don't wanna fuel the anti vax fire that's raging atm. It's pretty common to get it from covid by the looks, and I imagine that's a lot worse.
i was told pericarditis is something that can occur and to avoid it i should keep it very chill for about 4-5 days after my shot. i hope yours goes away quickly. just don't stress your pump out too much, you did the right thing getting checked up. everything janus said was spot on. try to keep a positive outlook so as not to stress your heart out further, cut down on coffee or other heart rate uppers, avoid alcohol and none to very light physical activity like light biking or walks(just laying around isn't good either).
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Did we roast that guy falling for obvious internet misinformation or are we over it
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Just got my second shot. Just walked in without an appointment and was done in less than an hour.
I'm rewarding myself with a greasy but super tasty hamburger from L'Hamburger. Their burgers are amazing but, sadly, their fries are pretty bad.
So far my arm is a bit sore but I'm hoping I can dodge any significant symptoms again.
Stoked to be done with this shit. However, I worry the assholes who aren't getting vaccinated are going to drag this shit out as the delta strain spreads and their bullshit creates a risk of the virus mutating again.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjedOuptmSk
Update: Didn't sleep well last night. Felt normal, but tired this morning, felt crummy for about three hours this afternoon (headache and slight body aches), went our for a beer and a movie this evening and I feel pretty normal now. Hoping to sleep soundly tonight.
First shot was a breeze and the second wasn't so bad. No major side effects. Worse than a tetanus shot for sure but overall, it was pretty easy. I was way more nervous about the second shot than I should have been.
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got it on good authority that unvaccinated sperm is the new bitcoin- been saving up
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Got my 2nd shot of Pfizer. Feel good aside from a sore arm and some mental fog. hopefully that will clear soon. Glad this is finally over with.
I got moderna for my second one, and I felt back to normal by the next day.
Also, Burt, I hope you’re doing well, my man. (I don’t know how to @ people.)
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I wanted to wait for the full FDA approval, but I'll be getting my pfizer today because of work mandates. I wasn't opposed to getting the vaccine, and I didn't have any specific concerns, but I would have felt more confident getting it after FDA approval because of how political and unscientific most of this pandemic response has been. I get the feeling it will be approved early September anyway.
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I have been double shot Pfizer'd up since late april. 2 weeks ago had some cold symptoms (headache, runny nose, sore throat) and got tested just as a precaution -- rapid test negative, but PCR was positive. I was a breakthrough infection!
Although I gotta shout out the vaccine for making me only have 2-3 days of really bad fatigue, cough, headache, confusion, rather than 5-10 days of that, I still had to quarantine for 2 weeks which sucked major ass and cost me so much money. my Quarantine just finished up.
even if you're vaxed, If you have coldlike symptoms, get a PCR test. I was in such denial that I could get it after being vaccinated but I guess it is happening w/ the delta variant.
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Are you in the US? If so, which state?
The likelihood of getting a breakthrough infection or re-infected will probably be higher in states that have eliminated the ability to claim unemployment during quarantine since people will just go to work sick if they need the money.
Governors that eliminated covid related unemployment benefits need to undo the damage they're causing.
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Unvax'd* looking more and more fucking stupid and selfish by the minute.
*healthy enough to make a choice, not under 12, etc. I shouldn't have to caveat this but there ya go.
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What's the situation with the Delta varient in the US? It's ripping through the UK and even though deaths are way down due to the vaccinations, everyone's getting it and they've been on the rise again.
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What's the situation with the Delta varient in the US? It's ripping through the UK and even though deaths are way down due to the vaccinations, everyone's getting it and they've been on the rise again.
Delta variant is ripping. Granted I can only speak to the experience of living in one of 2 least vaccinated counties in California, but our case counts have been higher over the past 2 weeks than at any time during the entire pandemic. A 30 year old person died earlier this week and a 50 year old person yesterday. Hospitals here are small and are reaching capacity. Mind you, fire season is coming through for the next 3 months and we've already got a steady stream of fire evacuees from other communities where vaccination rates are low and the response to wearing masks is poor. I was recently house-sitting in another low vaccination rate county (counties are almost like small states within the state as far as land mass, regulations, and law enforcement go in many ways), that's also a rural tourist destination and it was really concerning to see not only locals, but especially so many international travelers clustering and not wearing masks while indoors and in groups.
In short, the Delta variant is tearing through the United States, more people are getting sick and people are still dying. I start work in a small school at the end of the month and am, to be quite honest, low key, steady terrified.
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got it on good authority that unvaccinated sperm is the new bitcoin- been saving up
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What's the situation with the Delta varient in the US? It's ripping through the UK and even though deaths are way down due to the vaccinations, everyone's getting it and they've been on the rise again.
its getting prevalent. I live in a major city and the 7-day average of new cases was about 200 a month ago. Its currently sitting at around 1500 now. Luckily the vaccine greatly reduces the severity of symptoms for the delta variant. Im not a doomer but its pretty concerning as the cold months are coming up and the shit is clearly spreading. It was nice to have a couple months of summer feeling care-free but shit might get tight around here again.
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Is it ok just continue to wear a mask w/o be vaccinated for COVID? Luckily I live where I do not have to do either, so I have not been following any of this lately. It sounds like shit is getting crazy again though. Good luck to all of you in the thick of this! Stay safe
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How is that lucky? Put a mask on and go get vaccinated you idiot
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Hospital beds are full of covid patients in my area of Georgia. Almost back to where we were at the last peak.
Talk about history repeating if you haven't learned from it.
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How is that lucky? Put a mask on and go get vaccinated you idiot
Idiot? You judge people w/o knowing anything about them? I am lucky because I live in a unpopulated area. That makes me lucky and you an idiot. Stay safe champ.
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My bad, misread what you meant by "i don't have to do either", think it's pretty obvious why from how you worded it. Still though, vaccinations are a worldwide effort. Everyone that gets one is helping, whatever your situation
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How is that lucky? Put a mask on and go get vaccinated you idiot
That dude must be somebody’s doctor. Not yours..but somebody’s. He def wants to give out free medical advice to you.
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Cunts are fully getting it in nsw like that delta one I reckon we all gonna have to get it and just say fuck it open up I have been waiting on that phyzer but if shit gets bad here I’m just gonna get the other one
They had on news like if you get the az you have a one in thirty thousand chance of a blood clot but if you get delta and you haven’t had any shots it’s one in fifty that you gotta go to intensive care and get on that ventilator
I reckon our government here fucked the rollout heaps of cunts around my age aren’t eligible for phyzer yet cause the conservative government in charge fucked it’s negotiations with that company no shit it was in the papers that ruddles this ex Labour Party prime minister got asked by all these Australian big dick business leaders to try talk to phyzer and because of that were lucky we have the doses we have
What a cock up
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i'm getting my first Moderna tomorrow
i'm nervous...has little/nothing to do with what i hear and see...on the news and in the various media...has to do with reading up on how the vaccine actually works ("tricking" my body and all), which intuitively seems wrong, but what do i know, i'm a skater and a literature professor...........has to do with putting my faith in institutions that i have come up learning not to trust...at all...institutions that most of us in here--in most other situations and circumstances--rightfully have little faith in...
...but, i'm getting it tomorrow regardless and regardless of the fact that i had a bout with COVID a while back--it has taken so MUCH from my family. i'm definitely teaching two classes on campus in the fall though, so it's time....this thread has helped (even the smug bullying here and there)...but i'm still nervous...
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I’m not sure if I would say it tricks your body. If I understand correctly, it uses the mechanisms that your body would normally use to generate antibodies to a specific antigen marker in response to infection. It just seems to accelerate the process by giving you the mRNA sequence(s) necessary to produce the antibodies without the troublesome infection and immune response. As such, I feel it’s more like a cheat code, but maybe I’m just splitting hairs. Also, for the record, I’m not a bio major and I only took the mandatory bio lectures I needed for my program. So my opinions may need to be taken with some grains of salt.
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I’m not sure if I would say it tricks your body. If I understand correctly, it uses the mechanisms that your body would normally use to generate antibodies to a specific antigen marker in response to infection. It just seems to accelerate the process by giving you the mRNA sequence(s) necessary to produce the antibodies without the troublesome infection and immune response. As such, I feel it’s more like a cheat code, but maybe I’m just splitting hairs. Also, for the record, I’m not a bio major and I only took the mandatory bio lectures I needed for my program. So my opinions may need to be taken with some grains of salt.
yeah, i get it, "tricked" was actually the language used in one of the descriptions i read...
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I’m not sure if I would say it tricks your body. If I understand correctly, it uses the mechanisms that your body would normally use to generate antibodies to a specific antigen marker in response to infection. It just seems to accelerate the process by giving you the mRNA sequence(s) necessary to produce the antibodies without the troublesome infection and immune response. As such, I feel it’s more like a cheat code, but maybe I’m just splitting hairs. Also, for the record, I’m not a bio major and I only took the mandatory bio lectures I needed for my program. So my opinions may need to be taken with some grains of salt.
yeah, i get it, "tricked" was actually the language used in one of the descriptions i read...
I think I read the same description lol. I also took issue with being “tricked,” but I felt more stoked on “cheat code,” so I thought I’d share. I hope I wasn’t coming off condescending or shitty.
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Cunts are fully getting it in nsw like that delta one I reckon we all gonna have to get it and just say fuck it open up I have been waiting on that phyzer but if shit gets bad here I’m just gonna get the other one
They had on news like if you get the az you have a one in thirty thousand chance of a blood clot but if you get delta and you haven’t had any shots it’s one in fifty that you gotta go to intensive care and get on that ventilator
I reckon our government here fucked the rollout heaps of cunts around my age aren’t eligible for phyzer yet cause the conservative government in charge fucked it’s negotiations with that company no shit it was in the papers that ruddles this ex Labour Party prime minister got asked by all these Australian big dick business leaders to try talk to phyzer and because of that were lucky we have the doses we have
What a cock up
Get what you can now, please. I, for one, believe it or not, am a fan of your posts. You bring something different to the table, and I like that.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
dude, I was staying in Shasta county a couple weeks back and it was pretty weird. in Humboldt we've got fire refugees coming in from Tehama, trinity, and Shasta counties and its fuuuuucked. cases are higher right now up here than at any other time since day 1.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
Us vaccinated folks can spread the virus too, so what's the difference?
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Are you in the US? If so, which state?
The likelihood of getting a breakthrough infection or re-infected will probably be higher in states that have eliminated the ability to claim unemployment during quarantine since people will just go to work sick if they need the money.
Governors that eliminated covid related unemployment benefits need to undo the damage they're causing.
NYC. I work remote though, so i really can't blame any institution.
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Understood.
My wife and I was discussing the loss of covid related unemployment and the behavior of the employees she supervises. There are a number who live paycheck to paycheck that will likely forego testing unless they're obviously infected. The honor system is broken and she has to be doubly vigilant since she works in daycare and kids are catching Delta.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
Us vaccinated folks can spread the virus too, so what's the difference?
Lot of people seem to equate "can" with "equal chance of"
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
Us vaccinated folks can spread the virus too, so what's the difference?
Lot of people seem to equate "can" with "equal chance of"
I'm just sayin, if youre vaxxed, you should be good even if you do get infected. If you want to continue being paralyzed with fear, that's on you. I did everything they told me to, which was a big ask for me considering I’ve never trusted the government or big pharma, so I'm done. I'm gonna live life. We're all gonna eventually die anyways.
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i was supposed to move out of my apartment today, but the movers canceled because their driver has covid. shit is definitely going around again/still.
(although I suspect this guy was probably unvaccinated, because when vaccinated people catch covid they usually don't get very sick... and from what I hear about most American workplaces, they don't stop going to work either, as fucked up as that is)
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
Have you had COVID before? Or may have had it? I read that if your reaction to the first shot is pretty severe you may have already had exposure to COVID.
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
Bummer, I hope you feel better soon. Although it’s anecdotal and based on one case, my mom felt really rough after the first shot but she felt fine after the second one. Anyway, I hope the crappy part is out of the way for you. And I apologize again if I came off condescendingly earlier, I was trying to be reassuring.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
Us vaccinated folks can spread the virus too, so what's the difference?
Lot of people seem to equate "can" with "equal chance of"
A lot of un vax'd people equate it that way as reason to avoid the vaccination. I understand the difference and still wear a mask as a vax'd person because all 3 of my children are under the age to get vaccinated. I still have to come into the building for work. My wife is able to work from home and keep an eye on the kids since we skipped summer camps this year. My ex wife, who I have the 2 oldest kids with, works in an office that deals with public and is in 3-4 days a week.
All of the adults are vax'd. All of the adults we interact with closely are vax'd. We were starting to go back to normalish behavior with dining out, day trips, amusement parks before delta started ramping up. We've now gone back to a smaller circle and take out if we really don't want to cook. We are trying to do everything we can to eliminate the possibility to passing it to them if we did have a breakthrough case.
There is a difference between "paralyzed with fear" and being cautious. So while I feel safer being vaccinated, knowing that I'll most likely be just fine, I am still doing what I can to protect my kids.
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One week after the first pfizer dose, and I still have pain and stiffness in my joints and muscles from my lower back down through my feet. If it goes into week 2, I'll reach out to my doctor to see if he thinks I should get the second dose. Otherwise, I'm just foam-rolling, stretching, hydrating, and taking supplements like turmeric.
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
Bummer, I hope you feel better soon. Although it’s anecdotal and based on one case, my mom felt really rough after the first shot but she felt fine after the second one. Anyway, I hope the crappy part is out of the way for you. And I apologize again if I came off condescendingly earlier, I was trying to be reassuring.
cheers Janus...and it's all good
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
I was assed out for 2-3 days following Pfizer rd 1. Felt like a really awful flue combined with low grade onset pneumonia. Body aches, headache, back pain, mildly delirious. With that, I'm fairly certain I contracted covid on x-country flights thru international airports in late 2019-2020, before we knew it was a thing- it was far worse but similar to what I felt post 1st shot- the lung piece was def far worse in 19-20. But, anyways, my 2nd shot wasn't so bad. I lead into it eating all greens for anti inflammatory purposes and stayed hydrated. Had a mild sense of feeling very hungover for about 12 hrs and totally fine afterwards.
Rest up and get the 2nd shot. ;)
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
I was assed out for 2-3 days following Pfizer rd 1. Felt like a really awful flue combined with low grade onset pneumonia. Body aches, headache, back pain, mildly delirious. With that, I'm fairly certain I contracted covid on x-country flights thru international airports in late 2019-2020, before we knew it was a thing- it was far worse but similar to what I felt post 1st shot- the lung piece was def far worse in 19-20. But, anyways, my 2nd shot wasn't so bad. I lead into it eating all greens for anti inflammatory purposes and stayed hydrated. Had a mild sense of feeling very hungover for about 12 hrs and totally fine afterwards.
Rest up and get the 2nd shot. ;)
copy that...honestly, your description of what you experienced for the first shot aligns perfectly with what i'm experiencing. first day after, was fucked, yesterday (2nd day) was better, with a mild headache, this morning (3rd day out) i'm just sort of out of it--like you say, mild delirium. i am ready to get back to normal though, so i hope i'm straight tomorrow, with the semester rapidly approaching...first time teaching two classes, in the classroom, since all of this began last year--which makes me more nervous than my doubts about the vaccine...
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
I was assed out for 2-3 days following Pfizer rd 1. Felt like a really awful flue combined with low grade onset pneumonia. Body aches, headache, back pain, mildly delirious. With that, I'm fairly certain I contracted covid on x-country flights thru international airports in late 2019-2020, before we knew it was a thing- it was far worse but similar to what I felt post 1st shot- the lung piece was def far worse in 19-20. But, anyways, my 2nd shot wasn't so bad. I lead into it eating all greens for anti inflammatory purposes and stayed hydrated. Had a mild sense of feeling very hungover for about 12 hrs and totally fine afterwards.
Rest up and get the 2nd shot. ;)
copy that...honestly, your description of what you experienced for the first shot aligns perfectly with what i'm experiencing. first day after, was fucked, yesterday (2nd day) was better, with a mild headache, this morning (3rd day out) i'm just sort of out of it--like you say, mild delirium. i am ready to get back to normal though, so i hope i'm straight tomorrow, with the semester rapidly approaching...first time teaching two classes, in the classroom, since all of this began last year--which makes me more nervous than my doubts about the vaccine...
Dude, I'm in a training with 50 so-called educators right now. Indoors. Glad for the vaccine and coffee today. You'll be OK!
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
I was assed out for 2-3 days following Pfizer rd 1. Felt like a really awful flue combined with low grade onset pneumonia. Body aches, headache, back pain, mildly delirious. With that, I'm fairly certain I contracted covid on x-country flights thru international airports in late 2019-2020, before we knew it was a thing- it was far worse but similar to what I felt post 1st shot- the lung piece was def far worse in 19-20. But, anyways, my 2nd shot wasn't so bad. I lead into it eating all greens for anti inflammatory purposes and stayed hydrated. Had a mild sense of feeling very hungover for about 12 hrs and totally fine afterwards.
Rest up and get the 2nd shot. ;)
copy that...honestly, your description of what you experienced for the first shot aligns perfectly with what i'm experiencing. first day after, was fucked, yesterday (2nd day) was better, with a mild headache, this morning (3rd day out) i'm just sort of out of it--like you say, mild delirium. i am ready to get back to normal though, so i hope i'm straight tomorrow, with the semester rapidly approaching...first time teaching two classes, in the classroom, since all of this began last year--which makes me more nervous than my doubts about the vaccine...
Dude, I'm in a training with 50 so-called educators right now. Indoors. Glad for the vaccine and coffee today. You'll be OK!
thanks bro, that's reassuring...although, i'm not very "sophisticated," so who knows...
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
i appreciate this--i will have to read up. i had my first shot of Moderna on Sunday, and yesterday was pure hell--the worst headache all day, laid out all day, fever, etc. i did have COVID back in October. feeling considerably better this morning, just a little lingering headache, but i can tell i'm going to be laying on my ass still today.
if the second shot is supposed to be worse, i'm going to need to drag myself there to go get it
You should be fine on your second shot. Since you already had COVID last October, that was your first exposure (equivalent to the 1st shot to somebody never exposed). Your first actual shot, equivalent to your bodies second exposure, causes more severe immune response and what ever else big medicine promises. Let us know how it goes.
***Disclaimer***
I am not a doctor or medically trained…at all.
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Getting the vaccine on Sunday after careful thought and reading through this thread for a few weeks. Thanks guys.
Gonna see if they’ll give it to me on my taint and become a PAL.
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Turns out Pfizer is kind of ass after a few months. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v2
Here's the gist of it:
Effectiveness against hospitalization:
Moderna: 81%... 95% CI: 33-96.3%
Pfizer: 75%... 95% CI: 24-93.9%
Against infection:
Moderna: 76%...95% CI: 58-87%
Pfizer: 42%...95% CI: 13-62%
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Looks like we are going to need booster shots. Pfizer claims they can develop one for the delta variant rather quickly.
Also, it is crazy that things feel sort of back to normal even though the number of cases in the US is out of control.
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Got the second dose of Pfizer two days ago. Felt slightly hungover and tired yesterday but I could skate just fine regardless.
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FUCK A VACCINE.
If the government tells you to cut off your own fucking dick, you probably will!
We are getting to a stage of mandatory vaccinations which is a push for control over the people and taking human rights and freedoms away. Wake the fuck up and look at what these other countries are doing rallying against this shit.
Better pick a side soon and pray you have a firearm because the streets will be filled with blood.
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We are getting to a stage of mandatory vaccinations which is a push for control over the people and taking human rights and freedoms away.
The first school vaccination requirement was enacted in the 1850s in Massachusetts to prevent the spread of smallpox.
What a tragedy we've experienced for the past 170 years. If we could only go back to the 1840s when we were truly free. How did lose the freedom to unnecessarily put our families, neighbors, communities, and country at risk? Why can't I harm the innocent by jeopardizing their health?
Why must they thrust this new technology that was first invented in the late 1700s upon us? 225 years of vaccines is not long enough to know if they are safe or not. I refuse to be an experiment!
When will this crushing leviathan pull it's boot from off our necks?
Why did my sheeple parents obey the totalitarian regimes of Reagan and Bush in the 80s and vaccinate me against polio, measles, tetanus, hep A and B, and so on? If only some sovereign citizen with a firearm could have prevented this march towards totalitarianism. What is next? Will they require me to take a test in order to operate my personal means of conveyance? Will they force me to operate this means of conveyance sober? Will they force companies to tell consumers all ingredients in their food? Will they enforce minimum levels of safety in the workplace?Never!
I agree with Timmy the Kook, let us rise up and destroy this state that does not dictate my career, my partner, my religion, my place of residence, my political affiliation, what I read, or any other significant part of my life as we are clearly marching towards government servitude.
No interest in arguing and not going to respond to any other rants from this kook (already put this dude on ignore), but the drama in his post was too over the top and too amusing not to mock.
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Why did you get vaccinated if you already had natural immunity? Employer mandate?
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Why did you get vaccinated if you already had natural immunity? Employer mandate?
no mandate for faculty at the university i teach at this fall....i teach at the university level, and i am about to start teaching the first two on-campus classes that i have taught since this all began. my own perspective--after lots of research, reading, and reflection--was that the vaccine would only strengthen my chance of not dealing with that mess again...i could be wrong and i could be right--like everyone else, i'm just winging it on being as informed by credible sources as possible and listening to my intuition...
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Natural immunity is good, natural immunity plus vaccination is better.
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its not a vaccine, more like a flu shot, and you guys that think youve had your 2 shots and are done are in for a surprise. its gunna be boosters, maybe yearly? every 6 months? who knows but you better stay up to date because you might be labeled an anti-vaxxer if you refuse the latest shot
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The flu shot is a vaccine.
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Not saying the virus isn't real, just trying to inform people how they are twisting it against the people.
Also, I'd be real careful what you fucking wish for. You'd be too weak to even step out onto streets, you would be the first to be shot LOL.
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its not a vaccine, more like a flu shot, and you guys that think youve had your 2 shots and are done are in for a surprise. its gunna be boosters, maybe yearly? every 6 months? who knows but you better stay up to date because you might be labeled an anti-vaxxer if you refuse the latest shot
They will line up like the fucking mindless sheep they are and do as they are told. Most these guys probly don't even skate LOL!
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Not saying the virus isn't real, just trying to inform people how they are twisting it against the people.
Also, I'd be real careful what you fucking wish for. You'd be too weak to even step out onto streets, you would be the first to be shot LOL.
I may disagree with Wendell on issues surrounding firearms and their permitting in this country, but I’ve got a feeling he’s got the gun knowledge and discipline to outlast all of us in this impending vaccine-related countrywide shootout that you foresee.
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its not a vaccine, more like a flu shot, and you guys that think youve had your 2 shots and are done are in for a surprise. its gunna be boosters, maybe yearly? every 6 months? who knows but you better stay up to date because you might be labeled an anti-vaxxer if you refuse the latest shot
I like this line of thinking because antivax guys literally cannot fathom that people who have already gotten shots might not mind more shots. They do not understand that other people, including those they are direct opposition with, do not share their viewpoints. It's a gradeschool line of thinking.
People that get the flu shot do it every year. What is your gotcha there
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Is it that:
1) epidemiologists, immunologists, physicians, Ph.D.s and other scientists are wrong
2) public education has been underfunded for decades and the general public doesn't understand the scientific method, research methods, and how data is used to develop evidence-based practice
Or 3) our major media sources and two party political systems are designed to be as devicive as possible and as a result make such a SIMPLE choice unnecessarily complicated?
I'm putting my money on 2 and 3.
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I sometimes wonder what anti-vaxxers were like in the past, during all the other deadly global pandemics that were mostly eradicated thanks to vaccines. Did they also rant on about government control and rare side effects, but while standing on a soap box instead of social media? Were they pelted with eggs and rotten fruit, or just verbally ridiculed? Did they eventually change their tune, maintain their twisted beliefs for life, or succumb to the viruses they so firmly believed were all made up?
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I sometimes wonder what anti-vaxxers were like in the past, during all the other deadly global pandemics that were mostly eradicated thanks to vaccines. Did they also rant on about government control and rare side effects, but while standing on a soap box instead of social media? Were they pelted with eggs and rotten fruit, or just verbally ridiculed? Did they eventually change their tune, maintain their twisted beliefs for life, or succumb to the viruses they so firmly believed were all made up?
I would imagine someone combination of all the above as well whittling on their front porch ranting about "they think they know everything with their book learnin'" or just staring at the sun with a slack jaw.
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I realise it’s bad to say ‘I saw this on news’ but I defz seen more people getting smoked on the news from covid than the vaccine
If the vaccine was a scam it would require a fuck tonne of people all on the same page and not one person speaking out
I am just assuming that those spy agencies have mad best practice for that sort of shit and they leak shit and have defectors all the time
Huge stretch to say this is a big con job IMO
My British mate went home last year and got Covid straight away and he was fine, got the delta one last month and it fucked him
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Oh be nice.
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
You're right. Vaccines were so much safer and had much higher efficacy back in the 1800's than they do now.
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You guys are scared weak cunts.
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You guys are scared weak cunts.
Myocarditis is a side effect of this vaccine. From the CDC's website (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html):
Recommendations for Clinicians (THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE VERY PAGE YOU LINKED)
CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older given the greater risk of other serious complications related to COVID-19, such as hospitalization, multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), or death.
Blood clots are a side effect of the vaccine (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-cdc-identifies-28-clotting-cases-after-jj-vaccine-2021-05-12/)
A review of all available data at this time shows that the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine’s known and potential benefits outweigh its known and potential risks.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/JJUpdate.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/JJUpdate.html)
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Menstrual changes may fall into that category, if conclusive evidence links them to the vaccines. (In statements to TIME, a spokesperson for Pfizer said clinical trial participants did not report any menstrual changes. A spokesperson for Janssen said menstrual changes were not tracked as part of its study. A Moderna rep did not return requests for comment by press time.) There have also been reports of people developing rashes and other skin conditions, like so-called “COVID arm,” after vaccination. Others have experienced brain fog that feels akin to a marijuana high. In rare cases, people have also developed shingles after COVID-19 vaccination
Again,
CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older given the greater risk of other serious complications related to COVID-19, such as hospitalization, multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), or death.
Would you look at that? August is vaccination awareness month.
https://www.aai.org/NIAM/?utm_source=aai-home&utm_medium=slide (https://www.aai.org/NIAM/?utm_source=aai-home&utm_medium=slide)
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somehow the COVID-19 side effect of early onset death seems worse
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Your chances of getting a negative side effect from a vaccine are much lower than your chance of being killed in a car accident within the next week I'd bet. Yet everyone keeps driving a car. It's a risk, but a calculated risk with benefits that far outweigh potential negative effects.
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@fatty_d were you banned or are you just afraid to post on your main? How come all the anti-vax people either seem like randoms or people who made a second account because they think rep is real?
Just, like, asking questions.
Edit: NVM that dude got banned. Still stand by the sentiment of my post.
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Dear diary today someone made an account with a play on words and it was like my name but they called me fatty instead of matty and it’s just broken me little heart it has
Jokes that’s so sick, dream of me tonight bro xoxo
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FUCK A VACCINE.
If the government tells you to cut off your own fucking dick, you probably will!
We are getting to a stage of mandatory vaccinations which is a push for control over the people and taking human rights and freedoms away. Wake the fuck up and look at what these other countries are doing rallying against this shit.
Better pick a side soon and pray you have a firearm because the streets will be filled with blood.
^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
How can people still be this fucking dumb after 18 months of this shit
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I just remembered my boy matty Thompson
He was fatty matty
No shit we were trying to do nice ollies up the kerb cause all the pros in the videos like almost went to manual but casual drop but matty had kickies, heel flip, varial flips Casper flips and tres every go and down shit
Like he could do other tricks but those ones he could always do
No shit we were smoking bongs one afternoon after school in maybe 1999 and he Casper flipped a 2 flat three, we were bugging
Anyway he ended up in an awful way on the opiates super young like nobody else ever even knew
He had flip fifties and flip five ohs on lock too
Here’s to you fatty matty
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Even in my olde age, I still say dumb shit and I still can be baited by trolls pretty easily, but the anti-vax mentality here gives me some hope for myself. Like, OK, I know I can be stupid, but at least I’m not stoopid. Gotta say thanks to TimmyB88 for this shot in the arm.
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Not saying the virus isn't real, just trying to inform people how they are twisting it against the people.
Also, I'd be real careful what you fucking wish for. You'd be too weak to even step out onto streets, you would be the first to be shot LOL.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/OobWVHWGrDZ42PHuRf/giphy.gif)
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Not saying the virus isn't real, just trying to inform people how they are twisting it against the people.
Also, I'd be real careful what you fucking wish for. You'd be too weak to even step out onto streets, you would be the first to be shot LOL.
youre not allowed to watch youtube anymore, and you eat spaghettios from a can
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Not saying the virus isn't real, just trying to inform people how they are twisting it against the people.
Also, I'd be real careful what you fucking wish for. You'd be too weak to even step out onto streets, you would be the first to be shot LOL.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/OobWVHWGrDZ42PHuRf/giphy.gif)
Your no daisy.
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Even in my olde age, I still say dumb shit and I still can be baited by trolls pretty easily, but the anti-vax mentality here gives me some hope for myself. Like, OK, I know I can be stupid, but at least I’m not stoopid. Gotta say thanks to TimmyB88 for this shot in the arm.
Another cow in the field.
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Even in my olde age, I still say dumb shit and I still can be baited by trolls pretty easily, but the anti-vax mentality here gives me some hope for myself. Like, OK, I know I can be stupid, but at least I’m not stoopid. Gotta say thanks to TimmyB88 for this shot in the arm.
Another cow in the field.
Woof! I mean Moof..I mean MOOO.
To bring this back to COVID vaccines, some people are getting the vaccine and becoming millionaires. Well….hundreds-of-thousandsaires after taxes.
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Free advice Timmy, automatically taking the opposing stance to the "mainstream" doesn't make you clever. For someone who calls everyone else sheep you don't seem to have many of your own opinions, you're just regurgitating cheap conspiracist soundbites like most of your peers do.
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Free advice Timmy, automatically taking the opposing stance to the "mainstream" doesn't make you clever. For someone who calls everyone else sheep you don't seem to have many of your own opinions, you're just regurgitating cheap conspiracist soundbites like most of your peers do.
Definitely my own opinions, but more of fucking common sense to not inject my body with a rushed vaccine with no long term studies.
Put on your mask and shut your fucking mouth.
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<snip>….common sense to not inject my body with a rushed vaccine with no long term studies.
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I kinda wish you started with this, a genuine and understandable concern about the unknown. I appreciate this sentiment, seriously I really do.
Instead you came in with insults about vaccine-receivers being herds drawn to the slaughter.
I am not going to pretend that my fears are “common sense” though. I am afraid of what the vaccine might do to me. Even MORE afraid of what the vaccine might do to my 12 and 15 year old offspring.
But this is COVID-19. Not COVID-1. Not “strange illness delivered by an asteroid”. Coronavirus and it’s vaccines have been studied for a LONG time and in this case, due to the severity of symptoms, some red tape was removed after some short-term clinical studies instilled some confidence in the people we are supposed to trust in times like this.
And again, I understand and appreciate that the people in power that we are supposed to trust sometimes fuck us over.
I therefore understand, and am sympathetic with, your position. I hope that you and your loved ones get through all this so we can all enjoy our short time here with each other, without filling the streets with blood.
SHALOM
EDIT - I actually waited for what *felt* like a long time before I got the vaccine. I social-distance with ease and I am happy to wear a mask in public. I wanted to wait and see if a shit-ton of vaccine receivers suddenly had issues but after a time things seemed to be as one might expect so I took the plunger……
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<snip>….common sense to not inject my body with a rushed vaccine with no long term studies.
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I kinda wish you started with this, a genuine and understandable concern about the unknown. I appreciate this sentiment, seriously I really do.
Instead you came in with insults about vaccine-receivers being herds drawn to the slaughter.
I am not going to pretend that my fears are “common sense” though. I am afraid of what the vaccine might do to me. Even MORE afraid of what the vaccine might do to my 12 and 15 year old offspring.
But this is COVID-19. Not COVID-1. Not “strange illness delivered by an asteroid”. Coronavirus and it’s vaccines have been studied for a LONG time and in this case, due to the severity of symptoms, some red tape was removed after some short-term clinical studies instilled some confidence in the people we are supposed to trust in times like this.
And again, I understand and appreciate that the people in power that we are supposed to trust sometimes fuck us over.
I therefore understand, and am sympathetic with, your position. I hope that you and your loved ones get through all this so we can all enjoy our short time here with each other, without filling the streets with blood.
SHALOM
EDIT - I actually waited for what *felt* like a long time before I got the vaccine. I social-distance with ease and I am happy to wear a mask in public. I wanted to wait and see if a shit-ton of vaccine receivers suddenly had issues but after a time things seemed to be as one might expect so I took the plunger……
I hope that sentiments like this are our future..because right now it sure as shit doesn't seem that way.
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Hey Timmy, I've taken the vaccine and one of the side effects was actually giving me a big ass dick. Why don't you come over and I'll let you study my results, you know what I'm saying?
Oh by the way, I'm telling you to come over and suck on my dick. 8)
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Free advice Timmy, automatically taking the opposing stance to the "mainstream" doesn't make you clever. For someone who calls everyone else sheep you don't seem to have many of your own opinions, you're just regurgitating cheap conspiracist soundbites like most of your peers do.
Definitely my own opinions, but more of fucking common sense to not inject my body with a rushed vaccine with no long term studies.
Put on your mask and shut your fucking mouth.
You just proved my point. If you'd actually looked into it for more than 2 minutes from sources more credible than facebook posts you'd know that this isn't true
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Shut down the world for a disease that's only killed 4.3 million people
Oh yeah except that was WITH measures in place. How many do you think would have died if nobody had done anything?
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got the second shot today. again i feel fine. maybe a little tired. people who are afraid of this vaccine are pussies. friend of mine who eats cheap meats and other disgusting artificial stuff all the time is against the vaccine, said a guy he trusts in told the vaccine would kill your cosmic connection or something. i was like wtf bro. dude, you smoke cigarettes, you eat mcdonalds two times a week, you eat cheetos and drink sodas all the time. and the dude never cared about spirituality.
that other kid that was a customer at work talked about how he refuses to get vaxxed cause it's poison and a big pharma con but drinks chemically filtered beers and cocktails with red color 45 in it or whatever and smokes half a pack lucky strike during a 3 hour stint at the bar. i wouldn't be surprised if the kid consumes lean, too. you can't make shit like this up.
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Free advice Timmy, automatically taking the opposing stance to the "mainstream" doesn't make you clever. For someone who calls everyone else sheep you don't seem to have many of your own opinions, you're just regurgitating cheap conspiracist soundbites like most of your peers do.
Definitely my own opinions, but more of fucking common sense to not inject my body with a rushed vaccine with no long term studies.
Put on your mask and shut your fucking mouth.
You just proved my point. If you'd actually looked into it for more than 2 minutes from sources more credible than facebook posts you'd know that this isn't true
I just looked and found info about researchers studying mRna vaccines for years, but found nothing on long term studies of the covid vaccines. Can you share the credible sources?
hey man, I'll tell you what- I'm 99% sure I got the rona before testing was a thing and I'm 85% sure I had it again, post vaccination, a couple weeks back. The first round- I've never been so sick and I've got permanent nerve damage around the ear/brain connection- 24/7 high pitch tinnitus. This last round, I wasn't sure if my lungs and throat were feeling fucked due to the poor air quality from fires in the area, but no one else around me is feeling it and it's not my allergy season. I'm a sometimes runner and I rarely get winded. I was skating in a parking lot yesterday, gasping for air like I was running at 5k ft elevation. my lungs feel burnt. I don't smoke. I flush my system regularly with an array of natural medicines. I'm glad to have the vaccine, man, because I can only imagine how much worse off I'd be otherwise.
if you think about it, right, mrna vaccines have been researched for a hot minute- what about the cover vaccine in particular, in your mind, is making it more dangerous or different than any other host of researched mrna vaccines?
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How about not posting fake news sites? Do you have an actual reputable news source? That's our bare minimum. Not bullshit YouTube videos. Not uncited facts and statistics or unpublished studies.
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Too late. He gost.
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^ this guys next vaccine will be up the ass i'm sure.
Comparing the 1800's vaccines to now is just stupid.
There is finally people making the news that are becoming paralyzed from this specific vaccine that has been rushed out to the people.
make sure to put your mask on before you skate and breath in your own fucking sweat too, dumbass,
i had COVID and lost a family member to it in October, got the first Moderna last week, felt like shit for a couple of days, now i'm fine and glad to be vaccinated...
...i'll be the first smiling face you see face on those blood-filled streets you paranoid, fragile little sweetheart you.
looking forward...
Not saying the virus isn't real, just trying to inform people how they are twisting it against the people.
Also, I'd be real careful what you fucking wish for. You'd be too weak to even step out onto streets, you would be the first to be shot LOL.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/OobWVHWGrDZ42PHuRf/giphy.gif)
Your no daisy.
He says to an English professor...
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Too late. He gost.
That's cool. It's so obvious how many of the "do the research" people have never read or done any actual scientific research. Must be fun LARPing the role of an intellectual for them.
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Being skeptical is fine. Peddling conspiracy theories under the guise of science isn't. Neither is linking to 'evidence' that just happens to be on a white supremacists website. It's disturbing that these people are skaters.
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GET FUCKING VACCINATED! Real simple. Otherwise you're slowing down our progress to herd immunity. FUCK
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Shut the fuck up and get the shot, you colossal pussy.
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Shut the fuck up and get the shot, you colossal pussy.
(https://i.ibb.co/YLJN9Gx/EF49-D553-7-E1-D-4-B44-B931-0-ED82-E8-FA9-D4.jpg)
Don't be stealing my memes to defend your quixotic fight against immunization
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That's cool. It's so obvious how many of the "do the research" people have never read or done any actual scientific research. Must be fun LARPing the role of an intellectual for them.
You may be surprised to learn that the most vaccine hesitant people are also the most educated and most likely to have done actual scientific research. No LARPing involved.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh?li=BBnbfcL
"Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society - the people certified to become doctors and treat the virus - are not only the most hesitant about getting vaccinated but are also the least likely to change their minds about it."
Oh look, a non peer reviewed yet to be published study. Could it be that it was news worthy for it's content despite the fact that it hasn't undergone proper rigorous review? Great gotcha you got there.
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despite the fact that it hasn't undergone proper rigorous review?
just like the vaccine haha
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despite the fact that it hasn't undergone proper rigorous review?
just like the vaccine haha
What is your definition of rigorous review for a vaccine?
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Why did they survey 5 million people? That is a huge waste of time and effort. Accurate results could be found with a much smaller sample size.
Also, the only way this makes sense to me is if it counts people who have religious "doctorates" (or if they didn't exclude obvious bullshit surveys... how does one clean 5 million surveys and prepare that data to be analyzed?)
And it's weird it says, "Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society - the people certified to become doctors and treat the virus." PhDs are not MDs and are not certified to treat anything. Everyone involved in this article should know this.
What does Gallup or PEW have to say about this?
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I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.
Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?
If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?
If the vaccines only stop the onset of severe symptoms and death, then why not let individual adults make that risk analysis for themselves? Can someone explain how the logic works on this?
Something is definitely not adding up here... and yes I am vaccinated.
https://vancouversun.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/cbfd13dc-5d06-40d9-9400-e96a4e5d72b6
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"95.3 of respondents self reported that they are were in fact not robots. When asked to indicate which tiles included a street sign, 68% accurately identified each instance of a street sign."
A self reporting of degree hahaha man it would be fun to review the methods on this one.
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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.
Not that I know of. Felt a bit sick (just tired and had a headache) for a week when this first started to pop off, but it was so early that there weren't any tests yet. Was semi sick for a a day or two in January but the test came back negative. I'm around people a lot in my job, so it's possible I've caught it but been symptomless then
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I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.
Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?
If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?
If the vaccines only stop the onset of severe symptoms and death, then why not let individual adults make that risk analysis for themselves? Can someone explain how the logic works on this?
Something is definitely not adding up here... and yes I am vaccinated.
https://vancouversun.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/cbfd13dc-5d06-40d9-9400-e96a4e5d72b6
Does vaccine stop transmission: to a significant degree yes, but not completely. Vaxed spreaders exist, but they spew fewer germs
Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too. Another reason is that screening tests have become really accessible, and are now required by many businesses, schools, vacation resorts, etc. You can go buy a home test at the drug store now. So even when people have barely any symptoms they can still get identified by the testing systems. So the case counts go up even if a lot of people aren’t very sick
Does it just not work on Delta: Not confirmed yet afaik. But seems like it protects similarly.
If the vax prevents severe symptoms, why not let individuals choose: because the goal is herd immunity, which will slow down the mutation of new variants. It also means less germs flying around little kids who can’t get vaccinated yet. But also… many states *do* let the individual choose. For example, I’m about to move to Texas, where it’s basically illegal for employers or schools to require vaccinations.
Hope this is helpful.
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Well, we're done and laid up at casa de iusedtoskatemore for a while, I figure. Started feeling kind of lousy toward Saturday evening, scheduled covid tests for Monday AM. Got an email last night that at a poorly organized work training (70 people split between 2 classrooms for 2 days with mandatory "working lunches") someone tested + for covid. I'm not feeling deathly ill or anything, but my lungs are beat and my body is feeling progressively weak. It's almost laborious to type but I'm not ready to go back to sleep just yet. Might get some oomph after I eat some oatmeal and take ibuprofen.
regarding what @mj23 writes about Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too I live in the 2nd least vaccinated county in California. I don't think we've hit 50% yet. There was a guy on the local community radio last night who, about going to concerts said "take your masks off and be free. they want you to be afraid." There was a big old hippy party in the park last weekend, lots of international travelers hanging out and being dirty. And it's not just the hippies, I've heard numerous educators argue against masks and vaccines for the start of school year.
This shit sucks. I'm sure we'll be fine- we're vaccinated, live and eat clean, are all around conscious of our health, and haven't done any big group thing other than this mandatory training the whole darn time. Maybe we don't have it, but my gal can't taste much and I hear that's a symptom. I'll keep y'all in the loop.
stay safe and be kind
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Well, we're done and laid up at casa de iusedtoskatemore for a while, I figure. Started feeling kind of lousy toward Saturday evening, scheduled covid tests for Monday AM. Got an email last night that at a poorly organized work training (70 people split between 2 classrooms for 2 days with mandatory "working lunches") someone tested + for covid. I'm not feeling deathly ill or anything, but my lungs are beat and my body is feeling progressively weak. It's almost laborious to type but I'm not ready to go back to sleep just yet. Might get some oomph after I eat some oatmeal and take ibuprofen.
regarding what @mj23 writes about Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too I live in the 2nd least vaccinated county in California. I don't think we've hit 50% yet. There was a guy on the local community radio last night who, about going to concerts said "take your masks off and be free. they want you to be afraid." There was a big old hippy party in the park last weekend, lots of international travelers hanging out and being dirty. And it's not just the hippies, I've heard numerous educators argue against masks and vaccines for the start of school year.
This shit sucks. I'm sure we'll be fine- we're vaccinated, live and eat clean, are all around conscious of our health, and haven't done any big group thing other than this mandatory training the whole darn time. Maybe we don't have it, but my gal can't taste much and I hear that's a symptom. I'll keep y'all in the loop.
stay safe and be kind
you gotta know how many of us in here are wishing you and yours all the best friend
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Well, we're done and laid up at casa de iusedtoskatemore for a while, I figure. Started feeling kind of lousy toward Saturday evening, scheduled covid tests for Monday AM. Got an email last night that at a poorly organized work training (70 people split between 2 classrooms for 2 days with mandatory "working lunches") someone tested + for covid. I'm not feeling deathly ill or anything, but my lungs are beat and my body is feeling progressively weak. It's almost laborious to type but I'm not ready to go back to sleep just yet. Might get some oomph after I eat some oatmeal and take ibuprofen.
regarding what @mj23 writes about Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too I live in the 2nd least vaccinated county in California. I don't think we've hit 50% yet. There was a guy on the local community radio last night who, about going to concerts said "take your masks off and be free. they want you to be afraid." There was a big old hippy party in the park last weekend, lots of international travelers hanging out and being dirty. And it's not just the hippies, I've heard numerous educators argue against masks and vaccines for the start of school year.
This shit sucks. I'm sure we'll be fine- we're vaccinated, live and eat clean, are all around conscious of our health, and haven't done any big group thing other than this mandatory training the whole darn time. Maybe we don't have it, but my gal can't taste much and I hear that's a symptom. I'll keep y'all in the loop.
stay safe and be kind
Sry to hear this bud..I hope you guys are back to 100% soon. If it is COVID..it has no chance against the 5oh8!!! Hope that got ya to smile brutha :)
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Hope it's not the rona and hope you're feeling better soon, @IusedToSkateMore
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Why did they survey 5 million people? That is a huge waste of time and effort. Accurate results could be found with a much smaller sample size.
If you read the study they pared it down to 500,000 people. They also had people self identifying what education level they are so there was no actual control against people lying to make their opinion carry more weight.
Also, if you look at it, 2% of their sample size had PhDs, but only 1% of the population at large in the US have a PhD in reality. Even fewer than that percentage have a science focused PhD. Also, 13% or so of the 500,000 responses they chose had an undefined education level.
In short, the study is complete garbage, and even more so since it hasn't been peer reviewed. My brother tried pulling that study on me.
I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.
Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?
If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?
@Movies, to answer your question, yes, it stops transmission of certain variants, but from what I understand, not the Delta variant. At the time that the vaccines were developed, it wasn't known that the Delta variant was the predominant variant in the US, and there was really no way to know.
The important thing though, is that it still protects against transmission of other variants, so it's still very much worth getting, and it lessens the symptoms of the Delta variant so it could very well still save lives.
Admittedly some of my explanation may be slightly off, like maybe it does stop transmission of the Delta variant. I've got a degree in Mechanical Engineering, so Biology and Chemistry aren't my strong suits. Luckily I'm married to a doctor of Biochemistry and she helps shore up those weaknesses, but not everything she explains to me sticks in my head.
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
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I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.
Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?
If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?
If the vaccines only stop the onset of severe symptoms and death, then why not let individual adults make that risk analysis for themselves? Can someone explain how the logic works on this?
Something is definitely not adding up here... and yes I am vaccinated.
https://vancouversun.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/cbfd13dc-5d06-40d9-9400-e96a4e5d72b6
You can still get and spread covid if you get the vaccine but it makes you less likely to get a bad case of covid and less likely of getting covid in general.
The covid vaccine is a “leaky” vaccine. Leaky vaccines can lead to worse variants overtime.
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
I get my second vax shot next week.
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
Damn kihd :-\ I hope this shit turns around very soon for you two. I know with your Pma you will kick this things ass.
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
yeah my dude, it's what it is. Feeling like ass and dragging it all the way to the bank. Just laying low for a while, man. Sometimes it feels like I'm burnt out on that Mexican brick weed we used to get back in the day. the headache, tiredness, inability to think, and the body is just bleh, all that but no high ha ha ha ha at least I can just chill out and keep chilling. good lookin out!!! enjoy that ME august bro. I've been looking at land in upstate NY and VT again. mm mmm mmm. even If the prices are higher than before, they're less than out here for sure.
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
Fuck, good luck. That doesn't sound fun.
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
yeah my dude, it's what it is. Feeling like ass and dragging it all the way to the bank. Just laying low for a while, man. Sometimes it feels like I'm burnt out on that Mexican brick weed we used to get back in the day. the headache, tiredness, inability to think, and the body is just bleh, all that but no high ha ha ha ha at least I can just chill out and keep chilling. good lookin out!!! enjoy that ME august bro. I've been looking at land in upstate NY and VT again. mm mmm mmm. even If the prices are higher than before, they're less than out here for sure.
@IusedToSkateMore Well get to feeling better and come on back to the Northbeast. Mexican brick lmao ohhh the stories. Keep us updated how ya making it homey
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
yeah my dude, it's what it is. Feeling like ass and dragging it all the way to the bank. Just laying low for a while, man. Sometimes it feels like I'm burnt out on that Mexican brick weed we used to get back in the day. the headache, tiredness, inability to think, and the body is just bleh, all that but no high ha ha ha ha at least I can just chill out and keep chilling. good lookin out!!! enjoy that ME august bro. I've been looking at land in upstate NY and VT again. mm mmm mmm. even If the prices are higher than before, they're less than out here for sure.
Get tested so you can share that info with your employer. Maybe they will be open to zoom meetings for future trainings/staffings. Take care!!!
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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure
-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...
-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak
-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.
-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak
-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.
-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.
-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.
edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.
edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.
stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.
yeah my dude, it's what it is. Feeling like ass and dragging it all the way to the bank. Just laying low for a while, man. Sometimes it feels like I'm burnt out on that Mexican brick weed we used to get back in the day. the headache, tiredness, inability to think, and the body is just bleh, all that but no high ha ha ha ha at least I can just chill out and keep chilling. good lookin out!!! enjoy that ME august bro. I've been looking at land in upstate NY and VT again. mm mmm mmm. even If the prices are higher than before, they're less than out here for sure.
Get tested so you can share that info with your employer. Maybe they will be open to zoom meetings for future trainings/staffings. Take care!!!
oh yeah, we got tested. just waiting on results, my friend. I was coming into this training as an out of district person (one school district to another) and it was pretty wild. Honestly, to avoid this sort of situation the upcoming school year would have to be via Zoom again. Regardless of anyone's take on covid or the vaccine or masking, schools are going to be rough places this winter. Luckily for me, and I've got no qualms feeling for myself here, the school I work in has only 175 or so students as opposed to the bigger district this training took place in. Anyways, thanks for the well wishes, homie.
@IusedToSkateMore Well get to feeling better and come on back to the Northbeast. Mexican brick lmao ohhh the stories. Keep us updated how ya making it homey
This old timer I know in Brockton was telling me that people still buy/sell that brick. I can't imagine what it costs with decent weed going so cheap. anyway, good lookin out bro. peace to the beast
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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.
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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.
thanks, my man. it's what it is.
7 days after known exposure:
-got test results back- mine read negative- my lady's read positive. We can't figure it out, because we've both got the same thing going on. going to chalk it up that I've got the virus and didn't stick the testing stick up my nose far enough (the testing site has you do it yourself)
-felt real noice for the first hour or so out of bed. Went and chopped down 6 dead sunflowers that had stalks with a diameter bigger than my foot due to having been been fed ganja nutrients at start. Came in and had a phone call and ate food. I'm fucking exhausted and feel like I've got a low-key flu. hopefully ibuprofen kicks in soon so my low back isn't sore and tingly anymore.
-my chest still feels pretty constricted after exertion and phone call. elevated heart rate.
-very leaky sinuses. Ive got ear issues from what I believe was a bout with the rona back in late 19, early 20, and the tinnitus is screaming. pressure in the dome.
-whats most noticeable is how it comes in waves. It's like an hour of feeling moderately ok then 2 hours of not wanting to move or do anything.
I want to get high to make time go by but I don't think it's going to feel all that good. So I've got to find other stuff to do on the internet. SLAP and email is pretty much all I do. suggestions are wanted. thanks
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man, hope you recover fast. def sounds like you got it. all the people i know that had milder cases had this thing where it came in waves. they pretty much all said they felt better every few days and then it ramped up again and that kept going for 3-6 weeks for most of them.
9 days until my post-vaccination period is done and i'm officially vaxxed.
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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.
thanks, my man. it's what it is.
7 days after known exposure:
-got test results back- mine read negative- my lady's read positive. We can't figure it out, because we've both got the same thing going on. going to chalk it up that I've got the virus and didn't stick the testing stick up my nose far enough (the testing site has you do it yourself)
-felt real noice for the first hour or so out of bed. Went and chopped down 6 dead sunflowers that had stalks with a diameter bigger than my foot due to having been been fed ganja nutrients at start. Came in and had a phone call and ate food. I'm fucking exhausted and feel like I've got a low-key flu. hopefully ibuprofen kicks in soon so my low back isn't sore and tingly anymore.
-my chest still feels pretty constricted after exertion and phone call. elevated heart rate.
-very leaky sinuses. Ive got ear issues from what I believe was a bout with the rona back in late 19, early 20, and the tinnitus is screaming. pressure in the dome.
-whats most noticeable is how it comes in waves. It's like an hour of feeling moderately ok then 2 hours of not wanting to move or do anything.
I want to get high to make time go by but I don't think it's going to feel all that good. So I've got to find other stuff to do on the internet. SLAP and email is pretty much all I do. suggestions are wanted. thanks
Hope you start feeling better. You should probably get tested again, could be a false negative if that’s possible.
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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.
thanks, my man. it's what it is.
7 days after known exposure:
-got test results back- mine read negative- my lady's read positive. We can't figure it out, because we've both got the same thing going on. going to chalk it up that I've got the virus and didn't stick the testing stick up my nose far enough (the testing site has you do it yourself)
-felt real noice for the first hour or so out of bed. Went and chopped down 6 dead sunflowers that had stalks with a diameter bigger than my foot due to having been been fed ganja nutrients at start. Came in and had a phone call and ate food. I'm fucking exhausted and feel like I've got a low-key flu. hopefully ibuprofen kicks in soon so my low back isn't sore and tingly anymore.
-my chest still feels pretty constricted after exertion and phone call. elevated heart rate.
-very leaky sinuses. Ive got ear issues from what I believe was a bout with the rona back in late 19, early 20, and the tinnitus is screaming. pressure in the dome.
-whats most noticeable is how it comes in waves. It's like an hour of feeling moderately ok then 2 hours of not wanting to move or do anything.
I want to get high to make time go by but I don't think it's going to feel all that good. So I've got to find other stuff to do on the internet. SLAP and email is pretty much all I do. suggestions are wanted. thanks
I'd get retested, that could be a false negative
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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.
thanks, my man. it's what it is.
7 days after known exposure:
-got test results back- mine read negative- my lady's read positive. We can't figure it out, because we've both got the same thing going on. going to chalk it up that I've got the virus and didn't stick the testing stick up my nose far enough (the testing site has you do it yourself)
-felt real noice for the first hour or so out of bed. Went and chopped down 6 dead sunflowers that had stalks with a diameter bigger than my foot due to having been been fed ganja nutrients at start. Came in and had a phone call and ate food. I'm fucking exhausted and feel like I've got a low-key flu. hopefully ibuprofen kicks in soon so my low back isn't sore and tingly anymore.
-my chest still feels pretty constricted after exertion and phone call. elevated heart rate.
-very leaky sinuses. Ive got ear issues from what I believe was a bout with the rona back in late 19, early 20, and the tinnitus is screaming. pressure in the dome.
-whats most noticeable is how it comes in waves. It's like an hour of feeling moderately ok then 2 hours of not wanting to move or do anything.
I want to get high to make time go by but I don't think it's going to feel all that good. So I've got to find other stuff to do on the internet. SLAP and email is pretty much all I do. suggestions are wanted. thanks
I'd get retested, that could be a false negative
We're just going to play it safe and assume I've got it. let work and people I've been in close contact with know whats up. it's not really feasible for me to drive an hour each way for testing at this point.
man, hope you recover fast. def sounds like you got it. all the people i know that had milder cases had this thing where it came in waves. they pretty much all said they felt better every few days and then it ramped up again and that kept going for 3-6 weeks for most of them.
9 days until my post-vaccination period is done and i'm officially vaxxed.
ya man, it's more like waves of every few hours on this guy, but we shall see what happens as it goes along.
this just feels like some gnarly stuff has entered my body and there's an immune system battle going on. hopefully this means I won't catch it yet again during the winter!
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@iusedtoskatemore. You are in my thoughts brother.
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pfizer gang
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Got exposed to someone with a breakthrough infection last week, I tested negative but my wife testing positive - she was down for the count for a few days, super bad fever, sinuses blocked, the whole deal. She’s doing better now but lost taste and smell about 3 days in and it hasn’t come back. Can’t imagine what it would have looked like unvaccinated.
Fortunately we’ve been able to isolate separately and I’ve continued to test negative. I will say there was two days where I felt spacey, headachey, and a little feverish, so maybe that was my body dealing with it without becoming a full infection. She’s Pfizer and I’m Moderna for what it’s worth, but the original person with the breakthrough was also Moderna.
Rest up iusedtoskatemore, rooting for you - hopefully you’re feeling back to normal in a week or so.
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Trying to convince my 60 year old diabetic cancer doctor mother to get the booster next month is going to be a battle. She is convinced the mRNA vaccine makes infections worse. Got her first shots in January so I thought I was home free.
Sometimes I wish I had like, NPR-listening parents
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still pretty wiped out and lethargic but am on the up and up for now. definitely noticed a reduction in taste and I can't smell anything as of this morning. Went out to my van and was like "damn, it doesn't smell weird anymore... wow" and realized I can't smell anything else either. It's really strange because I've got a super sensitive schnoz. Hopefully it's brief.
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Trying to convince my 60 year old diabetic cancer doctor mother to get the booster next month is going to be a battle. She is convinced the mRNA vaccine makes infections worse. Got her first shots in January so I thought I was home free.
Sometimes I wish I had like, NPR-listening parents
You and me both. At least your mom took the vaccine initially. My whole ass family is unvaccinated and it stresses me out to no end. My dad had covid last winter and is convinced he’s invincible now even though he’s a diabetic 56 year old, and he lives with my grandmother who is currently undergoing chemo. It’s morbid to say but I’m basically mentally preparing for the absolute worst case scenario here.
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Took my Janssen shot on friday! Saturday I was a complete mess... I spent the majority of my day sleeping just so I wouldn't feel like shit. I had a strong headache and my whole body hurted. Sunday was better but still feeling some pains.
It is monday now and I feel fine and although it wasn't on my plans to get vaccinated this early I'm still feeling good to get that done.
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Got second pfizer Saturday. Hurt way less and less side effects. Almost fell asleep at the wheel yesterday, otherwise fine.
I have a suggestion: those to refuse a shot can be sent to Afghanistan so they can live free from government oppression.
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Got second pfizer Saturday. Hurt way less and less side effects. Almost fell asleep at the wheel yesterday, otherwise fine.
I have a suggestion: those to refuse a shot can be sent to Afghanistan so they can live free from government oppression.
I have a suggestion..when you get your boosters have someone drive you.
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Got second pfizer Saturday. Hurt way less and less side effects. Almost fell asleep at the wheel yesterday, otherwise fine.
I have a suggestion: those to refuse a shot can be sent to Afghanistan so they can live free from government oppression.
Sort of came half way into the drive, waifu was in the passenger seat, talking to me, so it was not as bad as I described it.
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i'm teaching two literature classes (both are "World Masterpieces 1: The Persistence of Myth") at a small(er), private university this semester, that has been super conscientious since COVID started changing things, and it has even lowered the cap on class size to only 15 students this semester, to accommodate all of us being on campus again--and without lowering what us adjuncts make for a 3-credit class.
i teach the first of these classes in about 5 hours, this afternoon, and it is my first in-person, on-campus class since all of this started, and as nervous as i am, i am so excited to be in a classroom with my students again and so much more confident after getting my first shot two weeks ago. hopefully i won't have too hard of a go on the second shot, but luckily, i get it the day before Labor Day, so i will have a day to ass out if necessary.
again, this thread has been a big help, good people, and i hope everyone is well...
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Got the first shot of Moderna in late April and i remember feeling worried after getting it because i just didnt know how my body would react but I ended up going to work the same day and having a good skate sesh later in the afternoon. Now the second shot of Moderna wasnt too bad right after but the next morning i felt like i got hit by a car. After taking some Tylenol and moving around some the aches went away. Since getting the vaccine i really haven't even worried much about the virus or variants or wearing a mask.
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Got the first shot of Moderna in late April and i remember feeling worried after getting it because i just didnt know how my body would react but I ended up going to work the same day and having a good skate sesh later in the afternoon. Now the second shot of Moderna wasnt too bad right after but the next morning i felt like i got hit by a car. After taking some Tylenol and moving around some the aches went away. Since getting the vaccine i really haven't even worried much about the virus or variants or wearing a mask.
Pfizer. Jan 2021. Zero side affects. Please get vaccinated folks.
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Had an appointment this afternoon for 4.45 that I made on this government website but they called me and said their computers broken and they actually go home at 4.30
Pisses me off but I got appointment for Thursday at 3 now so should be able to get at least one phyzer in me before Brisbane goes to shit
No bullshit I give it two weeks tops, nsw has shit the bed for all of us up here and we got cases like, just on the other side of the border now
We all scrambling to get phyzer shots, it’s good we did the old and sickly first but now there’s a shitload of blokes 30s-40s stressing about if we got time for two shots
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Had an appointment this afternoon for 4.45 that I made on this government website but they called me and said their computers broken and they actually go home at 4.30
Pisses me off but I got appointment for Thursday at 3 now so should be able to get at least one phyzer in me before Brisbane goes to shit
No bullshit I give it two weeks tops, nsw has shit the bed for all of us up here and we got cases like, just on the other side of the border now
We all scrambling to get phyzer shots, it’s good we did the old and sickly first but now there’s a shitload of blokes 30s-40s stressing about if we got time for two shots
You probably don’t have enough time for both shots before it hits hard again. But, you eat crab sandwiches with filthy fingers and pour acid in your eye…you will probably be somewhat okay.
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Had an appointment this afternoon for 4.45 that I made on this government website but they called me and said their computers broken and they actually go home at 4.30
Pisses me off but I got appointment for Thursday at 3 now so should be able to get at least one phyzer in me before Brisbane goes to shit
No bullshit I give it two weeks tops, nsw has shit the bed for all of us up here and we got cases like, just on the other side of the border now
We all scrambling to get phyzer shots, it’s good we did the old and sickly first but now there’s a shitload of blokes 30s-40s stressing about if we got time for two shots
Hope so haha but still, I don’t want catch it
The Northern Territory government asked for tenders last week for transport companies to quote on taking people from darwin airport to Howard springs quarantine facility
The thing is, it’s a five year contract they want tenders for
This whole thing is legit soo crazy when you think about it, like the world is never gonna be the same again
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Got the first shot of Moderna in late April and i remember feeling worried after getting it because i just didnt know how my body would react but I ended up going to work the same day and having a good skate sesh later in the afternoon. Now the second shot of Moderna wasnt too bad right after but the next morning i felt like i got hit by a car. After taking some Tylenol and moving around some the aches went away. Since getting the vaccine i really haven't even worried much about the virus or variants or wearing a mask.
I got my second shot back at the end of April, and was pretty similar with a mask until it became apparent the dominant strain in the US is the Delta variant, which the current vaccines don't prevent transmission of and don't offer full protection from. Since then I've started wearing a mask again until they release a booster that actually accounts for the Delta variant. My wife is also a teacher though so I've been extra cautious so I don't get her sick.
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I got my second shot today. Came home and took a 3 hour nap. I woke up like 20 min ago and I’ve been coughing and sneezing and my body is all achy already. I had a really good hard workout at the gym this morning in anticipation of not being up to going tomorrow.
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I got my second shot today. Came home and took a 3 hour nap. I woke up like 20 min ago and I’ve been coughing and sneezing and my body is all achy already. I had a really good hard workout at the gym this morning in anticipation of not being up to going tomorrow.
I had my 2nd yesterday and woke up this morning with bad chills and body aches. Started getting moving around 11am and by 2pm I was feeling fine. Just have a sore arm.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
Sooooooo… work training was shut down today, we were told to get the fuck out, get tested, and quarantine for 10 days. Someone was symptomatic and tested positive.
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It’s been 7 months since my vaccine. I’ve been out of town for work, staying in the Sacramento area where NOBODY gives a fuck about the virus, vaccines, let alone masks. Patiently waiting for my breakthrough infection.
at least they told you to take care and quarantine, man. city I was in a training for only said "a participant tested positive, if you're showing signs, get tested..." adfkjsdfk;jf
I hope you didn't get it, my man. It sucks, but for me and my gal, tomorrow will be the 2 week mark to either of us being exposed and we're feeling a lot better. The shittiest aspects were going for about 7 days, and just when I thought it wasn't going away, I'm starting to feel more normal.
if you have gotten it, water, bed, movies, ibuprofin/asprin, and I don't know if you're into herbal medicines at all, but fungi perfecti makes a tincture called breathe, it's Cordyceps and Reishi extract, and it was the most helpful to bring down inflammation in the lungs and subsequently less pain and difficulty breathing https://healthyplanetshopping.com/products/breathe-extract-fungi-perfecti-host-defense-1-fl-oz-liquid?msclkid=2dafe257f8d71c1a9b3183724a0f8c14&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CA%20-%20Healthy%20Planet%20Shopping%20-%20Shopping&utm_term=4580909043397697&utm_content=All%20Products (https://healthyplanetshopping.com/products/breathe-extract-fungi-perfecti-host-defense-1-fl-oz-liquid?msclkid=2dafe257f8d71c1a9b3183724a0f8c14&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CA%20-%20Healthy%20Planet%20Shopping%20-%20Shopping&utm_term=4580909043397697&utm_content=All%20Products) (I don't know this site, but it's a good price). Seriously, I've got albuterol inhalers for fire season and they didn't touch this shit. I didn't really eat super well most of this time, but it felt nice to eat cookies and comforting things when I could. ice pops were nice.
sorry for the ramble. my brain is still sorta pickled. take good care homes
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Thanks dawg. I’ll look in to that supplement. Cordyceps freak me out because of the last of us… but yea, I feel a little under the weather. We were in close contact with the person, like all day, every day for the last couple weeks. last week they were coughing and I gave some side eye, they blamed it on the smoke. Even went to the bar last Wednesday. Guess they were sick sick on Friday and tested over the weekend. I have 80 hours of covid sick leave so I’m not really tripping on missing work. They said if I wasn’t symptomatic I could come back in to the office but nah, I have some tightness in my chest and a little congestion. Zero motivation to work. Half that training was rednecks from Butte, Shasta, Lake, and Humboldt(no offense) and they were talking mad shit about vaccines. So we’ll see what happens. I just don’t want to get my wife and kid sick. He’s 8 and can’t be vaccinated. I know kids are lucky and yea yea but you never know.
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Thanks dawg. I’ll look in to that supplement. Cordyceps freak me out because of the last of us… but yea, I feel a little under the weather. We were in close contact with the person, like all day, every day for the last couple weeks. last week they were coughing and I gave some side eye, they blamed it on the smoke. Even went to the bar last Wednesday. Guess they were sick sick on Friday and tested over the weekend. I have 80 hours of covid sick leave so I’m not really tripping on missing work. They said if I wasn’t symptomatic I could come back in to the office but nah, I have some tightness in my chest and a little congestion. Zero motivation to work. Half that training was rednecks from Butte, Shasta, Lake, and Humboldt(no offense) and they were talking mad shit about vaccines. So we’ll see what happens. I just don’t want to get my wife and kid sick. He’s 8 and can’t be vaccinated. I know kids are lucky and yea yea but you never know.
no offense taken, man. the shitty aspects of this county are really shitty, like those rednecks. we're maaaaybe 50% vaccinated up here, maybe a little over 50. Sorry you had to be in that company. Pretty sure that's what got me too. Take care brotha. for me it started slow and hit like hard. rest up, man
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Got the phyzer, drunk, no side effects
Arm felt like tetanus shot for half a second then nothing, shits chill
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Got my 2nd jab yesterday, was worried about the side effects but so far it’s been milder than the 1st.
Slightly sore arm and that’s it.
Stoked to be fully vaxxed!
e: fuckin’ murphys law. I just got slapped with a 10 day mandatory quarantine. I got exposed to asymptomatic carrier a few days ago…
Laughing about it now but I’m sure I won’t be laughing anymore once cabin fever kicks in..
Woe is me
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
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Get some
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Get some
https://streamable.com/2ygtuh
Edit nswf
Needs more fucking
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandates when he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandates when he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Well I guess the difference between you and I is I don’t have a need to control everyone and everything. I’m okay with people making their own decisions, while you seem to be totally against that. Different strokes…
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
I agree with 99% of everything that you just stated..but you lost me when you came across as pro-mandate. I am curious in your opinion, should I have the Covid vaccine? If your answer is a simple Yes, I would like to know why. Please bear in mind that you don't know anything pertinent about me.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandates when he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Well I guess the difference between you and I is I don’t have a need to control everyone and everything. I’m okay with people making their own decisions, while you seem to be totally against that. Different strokes…
And this is why it's impossible to reason with you guys - we're talking about one thing, not everything. Where did I say I'm totally against people making their own decisions? What we're talking about is something that has killed millions of people, and taking steps to help counteract it. People who don't get vaccinated are putting others at risk, period.
Anyway, it was silly to try and reason with you. I'm not wasting any more time on halfwits.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
I have almost no human contact. How's that for common sense? I can read, but can you think?
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandates when he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Well I guess the difference between you and I is I don’t have a need to control everyone and everything. I’m okay with people making their own decisions, while you seem to be totally against that. Different strokes…
And this is why it's impossible to reason with you guys - we're talking about one thing, not everything. Where did I say I'm totally against people making their own decisions? What we're talking about is something that has killed millions of people, and taking steps to help counteract it. People who don't get vaccinated are putting others at risk, period.
Anyway, it was silly to try and reason with you. I'm not wasting any more time on halfwits.
I'm vaccinated, so are you. Why are you freaking out? Does the vaccine not protect us?
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
You do realize us vaccinated folks can still get it and transmit it too, right? Also, why should the vaccinated be afraid of the unvaccinated? Are we not protected?
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
You do realize us vaccinated folks can still get it and transmit it too, right? Also, why should the vaccinated be afraid of the unvaccinated? Are we not protected?
I think you need to read what you just wrote again, haha. Literally answered your own question before you asked it.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
You do realize us vaccinated folks can still get it and transmit it too, right? Also, why should the vaccinated be afraid of the unvaccinated? Are we not protected?
I think you need to read what you just wrote again, haha. Literally answered your own question before you asked it.
The vaccine doesn't prevent catching or spreading covid, even to other vaccinated people. The vaccine is supposed to reduce symptoms and hospitalizations. As long as you're vaxxed, you're protected, but you don't seem very confident in the efficacy of the vaccine, as you are still afraid of the unvaxxed.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
I'm not an anti-Vaxxer. And who is "us" I am assuming you mean judgmental fools? I live in a extremely unpopulated area, so it continues to be my pleasure to stay away from people like you. In fact it was my plan, and I got to tell you it is working out amazing. Good luck with the shitty circumstances you may have created for yourself. Hey look I can judge strangers too. Oh well..take care son I got some moose in the backyard right now and they are more entertaining than you.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
You do realize us vaccinated folks can still get it and transmit it too, right? Also, why should the vaccinated be afraid of the unvaccinated? Are we not protected?
I think you need to read what you just wrote again, haha. Literally answered your own question before you asked it.
The vaccine doesn't prevent catching or spreading covid, even to other vaccinated people. The vaccine is supposed to reduce symptoms and hospitalizations. As long as you're vaxxed, you're protected, but you don't seem very confident in the efficacy of the vaccine, as you are still afraid of the unvaxxed.
Nope. Not even bothering with you anymore dude. You're dumb as shit.
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
You do realize us vaccinated folks can still get it and transmit it too, right? Also, why should the vaccinated be afraid of the unvaccinated? Are we not protected?
I think you need to read what you just wrote again, haha. Literally answered your own question before you asked it.
The vaccine doesn't prevent catching or spreading covid, even to other vaccinated people. The vaccine is supposed to reduce symptoms and hospitalizations. As long as you're vaxxed, you're protected, but you don't seem very confident in the efficacy of the vaccine, as you are still afraid of the unvaxxed.
Nope. Not even bothering with you anymore dude. You're dumb as shit.
Do you think that bolded part isn't true? The only difference between the vaxxed and unvaxed is the vaxxed are protected from severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death, where the unvaxed are not. I'm not sure what your issue is, since all you seem to do is hurl insults.
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Hear our prayer:
Lord below,
Your abysmal horrors we call forth.
Awaken, rise up and cleanse this earth with fire.
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Hear our prayer:
Lord below,
Your abysmal horrors we call forth.
Awaken, rise up and cleanse this earth with fire.
"God gave Noah the rainbow sign / No more water, the fire next time"
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The most impressive thing about covid is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government that cannot be questioned. ;)
I think you should consider Cucktard's comment from the other thread...
"There is a subtle but important distinction I learned from the anarchists, who are the most thorough people in criticizing power, which is the distinction between criticizing authority and criticizing expertise."
You seem caught up on the authority part. You have an inherent distrust of the government, and since the government are the one's who create mandates etc, you don't want to trust them even though it's the medical experts and scientists who do all the hard work and research and then provide the vaccines. It's the experts whom you should trust, and they're the ones informing the government.
It's absolutely crazy, and quite honestly infuriating to me, that so many average Joes all of a sudden think they know better than literally thousands of medical professionals and scientists. The arrogance is dumbfounding.
You say you're vaccinated - so why are you out here trying to sew seeds of mistrust about it? It just seems very hypocritical. Like Trump constantly bashing vaccines and mandateswhen he himself got vaccinated. What are you trying to accomplish? It just seems like the same old "Oh you guys are such SHEEPLE! I'm so much more enlightened and know what's REALLY going on!", because you don't have a good filter for reliable information and you trust youtubers and anti-vax bros. Need to work on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Nah, all the information on exactly WHY you should get vaccinated is easily accessible and has been for a long time. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain common sense to you. You can read.
That's a good start. You shouldn't put others at risk so staying away from others if you're an anti-vaxxer is just about the best thing you can do. That's what those of us who are responsible and actually care about others would prefer you do. Stay the fuck away from us.
You do realize us vaccinated folks can still get it and transmit it too, right? Also, why should the vaccinated be afraid of the unvaccinated? Are we not protected?
I think you need to read what you just wrote again, haha. Literally answered your own question before you asked it.
The vaccine doesn't prevent catching or spreading covid, even to other vaccinated people. The vaccine is supposed to reduce symptoms and hospitalizations. As long as you're vaxxed, you're protected, but you don't seem very confident in the efficacy of the vaccine, as you are still afraid of the unvaxxed.
Nope. Not even bothering with you anymore dude. You're dumb as shit.
Do you think that bolded part isn't true? The only difference between the vaxxed and unvaxed is the vaxxed are protected from severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death, where the unvaxed are not. I'm not sure what your issue is, since all you seem to do is hurl insults.
It’s not true. You’re twisting that narrative. It prevents covid. Full stop. You can still catch and spread covid; like with any vaccine, it’s not 100%. There’s no reason not to get vaccinated. Blah blah. Focus your life you worthless bitch.
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Ahh everyone gonna do whatever it’s just sort of a dick move though cause the hospital gets a hiding
Got the second one about four hours ago hopefully don’t wake up sick
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All I have to say regarding COVID vaccines
it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
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it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
But muh individualism
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It’s kind of a dick move cause the hospital cops a flogging, probs gotta open up and get it over with
Got the second phyzer like 14 hours ago, feel alright hopefully don’t get sick
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I got my second shot about 18 hours ago.
My shoulder started getting sore roughly six hours into it, and it's still a bit sore, but I can move it freely. No bruise either.
Aside from that, I've been a little bit tired, been getting tiny sporadic chills, but aside from that, I'm all right. It's mellow. I'm in my mid-30s so I wondered what it'd be like.
I'd assume that this is going to be the worst of the side effects since I'm almost a day into it.
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Completed 2 dose of Sinovac back in July..
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« Ta liberté s’arrête là ou celle des autres commence »
All I have to say regarding COVID vaccines
it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
It's also amazing that denying people their medical autonomy and forcing them to bend to the will of the establishment in order to participate in society is now a liberal value. It's pure insanity. Hitler would be proud of you.
Yeah, having to wear a seat belt is a fascist move. And my parents are total Nazis for forcing me to wash my hands on a regular basis. I fucking hate them for this. Hope you did not suffer the same fate, comrade! Glad that you are supporting the fight against anti-abortion laws.
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Ahh idk I might not agree with what you have to say but I’ll die trying to defend your right to talk rubbish, deadset
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« Ta liberté s’arrête là ou celle des autres commence »
All I have to say regarding COVID vaccines
it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
It's also amazing that denying people their medical autonomy and forcing them to bend to the will of the establishment in order to participate in society is now a liberal value. It's pure insanity. Hitler would be proud of you.
I find this particularly funny because both of my great grandfathers ended up in concentration camps as they were part of the resistance. Both were declared undesirable and almost died, a part of them was broken and they were never the same. So fuck you for comparing a vaccine to a literal extermination program and a fascist regime you dog cunt
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« Ta liberté s’arrête là ou celle des autres commence »
All I have to say regarding COVID vaccines
it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
It's also amazing that denying people their medical autonomy and forcing them to bend to the will of the establishment in order to participate in society is now a liberal value. It's pure insanity. Hitler would be proud of you.
you’re describing laws
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I got the Pfizer/Moderna combo, but waiting for the Fabo Les to get approved for my booster.
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« Ta liberté s’arrête là ou celle des autres commence »
All I have to say regarding COVID vaccines
it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
It's also amazing that denying people their medical autonomy and forcing them to bend to the will of the establishment in order to participate in society is now a liberal value. It's pure insanity. Hitler would be proud of you.
No one is hunting you, tieing you down and forcing a jab into your arm, you clown. And no one is rounding you up into some form of concentration camp b/c of your CHOICE not get jabbed. get some perspective. You are free to to leave everyone else the fuck alone as soon as you like.
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I got the Pfizer/Moderna combo, but waiting for the Fabo Les to get approved for my booster.
Supreme shots, coming this fall.
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I had I big night of drinking last night while watching a series on Covid-19 vaccinations exposed by Project Veritas. Part 4 is coming tonight. Needless to say, I woke up to a healthy amount of angry Patriots this morning. Lol
Part 2 was the funniest. They had an undercover reporter speaking with 2 J&J employees. The first guy took me all of a one minute search to see that he doesn't work for J&J as a scientist, but owns his own company where he's a researcher. The other guy works for J&J as a delivery manager. So his opinion on the vaccine is nothing to take seriously.
What's really sad is that people are so incapable of accepting truth, that they look to conspiracies in order to protect their fragile feelings.
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I got the Pfizer/Moderna combo, but waiting for the Fabo Les to get approved for my booster.
Supreme shots, coming this fall.
i'm holding out for the Palace shot.
Gon be mwad af
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« Ta liberté s’arrête là ou celle des autres commence »
All I have to say regarding COVID vaccines
it is amazing how so many people don't get that simple concept. You either want to be a part of society or you don't. If you really want the "freedom" to abstain from getting vaxxed, you have the 'freedom' to get a job that does not require it and the "freedom" to go live by yourself in the woods.
It's also amazing that denying people their medical autonomy and forcing them to bend to the will of the establishment in order to participate in society is now a liberal value. It's pure insanity. Hitler would be proud of you.
No one is being forced to do anything. If you choose to go to a place in public, you need to wear clothes. You can choose to not wear clothes, and society can choose to not let you participate because you're being selfish.
Same thing with the vaccine. You're free to choose to not get it, and society is free to choose to not let you participate because, again, you're being selfish.
This is how society has always worked. There's nothing forceful about it. If you were being grabbed by force and being forced to get the vaccine whether you chose to participate in society or not, then your moronic take might start to have some relevance.
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
Hey Ricky. You're still hanging around a place it's been made clear you're not wanted? You need validation so bad you'll take whatever you can get, even negative? That's sad man, I hope you find some help.
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
Bring it. Let's see how it goes, tuffguy.
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So I was skating around the center of the next town over and saw the mobile vaccine wagon getting packed up to leave for the day. The dude running the show looked the part of a total anti-vax, trump guy. dude had a We The People tattoo on the forearm, III% tattoo on the other arm, black/grey American flag cap.
I'm not one to spread baseless misinformation, and I'm not saying it is happening, but all I've been able to think is that it would be dystopian and still believable to consider that such a person was somehow fucking with the vaccines. What I'm seeing with the mobile vaccine wagons where we live is that they're being run/set up/delivered in vans that aren't so different than the last leg of an Amazon package (not the amazon van, but a 3rd party carrier like XPO or something). Typical of 3rd party service provision, there's zero QC or oversight. bogus if you ask me
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It’s ironic that everyone who is opposed to getting vaccinated is also against universal health care but call themselves pro life.
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
I read your post in the voice of a pissed off little kid who wants to take his basketball home with him because he wasn't given a foul shot at the playground. Matched your words perfectly.
I'm guessing whoever hurt your little feels here is vaxxed. So they'll be fine.
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It’s ironic that everyone who is opposed to getting vaccinated is also against universal health care but call themselves pro life.
yes its because when they get covid and end up in a hospital, doctors need to save their life
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
Who's Ricky? I can kick flip fake tre and half cab heel. You probably can't do at least two of those so get lost bitch
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
What if he can real tre? Does he still have to get lost?
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Not getting the vaccine. Wanna spread this shit and kill you weak ass posers.
Lol what's a fake Tre Ricky ?
Wanker
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
It's also about not ending up in a hospital bed that someone else might need. And about all the other resources and attention that would need to be spend, but that could have been avoided.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
This is just completely incorrect. You can still get the Delta variant, however the illness, and therefore the period that you are infectious, is FAR smaller than if you didn’t get the vaccine. You are also far less likely to become infected, even from the Delta variant, and therefore can’t spread it.
You know what else this is true for? The flu. You technically can get the flu if you’ve gotten a flu shot, and thus you can technically spread it, but your chances are extremely reduced, so it still makes sense to get a flu shot.
Not getting either of these shots is extremely selfish and shows you don’t care about others.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
You know what else this is true for? The flu. You technically can get the flu if you’ve gotten a flu shot, and thus you can technically spread it, but your chances are extremely reduced, so it still makes sense to get a flu shot.
Not getting either of these shots is extremely selfish and shows you don’t care about others.
nah, bruv, that's not why I got the vaccine. When I got stuck, the place I was living had one of the lowest rates of Covid in the state. Wasn't particularly worried about getting sick. I got the vaccine because I understand that the sooner more of us who are vaccinated, the sooner this virus and its variants lose potency. I ended up getting really sick anyways and can only imagine that whatever variant we caught in this household would have been far, far worse without a vaccine.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
Driving under the speed limit is just as selfish as driving over it. You can still crash in to someone and kill them. Stop acting like you do it for anyone but yourself.
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I live close to downtown right by the government buildings here, and so I have to hear all the asinine antivax/mask protests that occur because they're always on loud-ass megaphones saying the most inane drivel. I literally have to hear people screaming "FREEDOM!" into a megaphone over and over.
In fact, just recently they were comparing mask laws to the Holocaust, and it's like fucking really?
Anyway. The side effects from the second dose of Pfizer for me were really mellow. I basically felt a bit tired the morning after and that's it.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
Kookiest comment.
Personally, If I lived in the woods I would take my chances with Covid unvaccinated but due to my line of work and living with my elderly mother-in-law, I opted to get it.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
Driving under the speed limit is just as selfish as driving over it. You can still crash in to someone and kill them. Stop acting like you do it for anyone but yourself.
Honestly, this is why I drove a minimum of 30 over the limit at all times. I would rather you die a quick painless death, than a slow excruciating one. I'm a humanitarian.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
It's also about not ending up in a hospital bed that someone else might need. And about all the other resources and attention that would need to be spend, but that could have been avoided.
Maybe we should all quit skating (or at least start wearing full pads and a helmet) until Covid has been fully eradicated. We ALL have a responsibility to help protect the health care system and do what we can to lessen the burden on our front line heroes. Don't be selfish now.
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Getting the vaccine is just as selfish as not getting it. You got vaccinated to lessen symptoms and not die from covid. You can still get and spread covid. Stop acting like you did it for anyone else but yourself.
It's also about not ending up in a hospital bed that someone else might need. And about all the other resources and attention that would need to be spend, but that could have been avoided.
Maybe we should all quit skating (or at least start wearing full pads and a helmet) until Covid has been fully eradicated. We ALL have a responsibility to help protect the health care system and do what we can to lessen the burden on our front line heroes. Don't be selfish now.
I think you're skateboarding wrong if you end up in a hospital bed by doing it.
You tried, though. You wrong.
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
I imagine your somewhat joking, but bear in mind young children still haven't received the vaccine yet. Pretty lame humor either way.
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
i knew someone would be less than enthusiastic about this, so i'll use this opportunity to say: yes, i was completely kidding. i know this is a serious topic that many people don't think is appropriate to joke about. it's always worth reminding people that little kids are not getting vaccinated at the moment and we should still be polite enough not to spread any germs around to them if we can help it.
...but i also think that it's kinda funny when anti-vaxxers wind up sicker than shit all because they didn't want to get a little shot or two. if that's a crime, you can lock me up.
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
Made an appointment for tomorrow night.
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
Made an appointment for tomorrow night.
yeah, man, I realized after I wrote that that I may have sounded like a dick or whatever. I was just trying to get across that catching this shit really blows ::) hope that it doesn't whoop you too hard, my bro
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
Made an appointment for tomorrow night.
yeah, man, I realized after I wrote that that I may have sounded like a dick or whatever. I was just trying to get across that catching this shit really blows ::) hope that it doesn't whoop you too hard, my bro
Not at all. Appreciate the honesty. It’s what I needed. Better to just get it done and move on. Especially with the kids approval coming we can get the whole house taken care of soon.
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
Made an appointment for tomorrow night.
yeah, man, I realized after I wrote that that I may have sounded like a dick or whatever. I was just trying to get across that catching this shit really blows ::) hope that it doesn't whoop you too hard, my bro
Not at all. Appreciate the honesty. It’s what I needed. Better to just get it done and move on. Especially with the kids approval coming we can get the whole house taken care of soon.
hell ya man. glad y'all ar able to stay well
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
Made an appointment for tomorrow night.
yeah, man, I realized after I wrote that that I may have sounded like a dick or whatever. I was just trying to get across that catching this shit really blows ::) hope that it doesn't whoop you too hard, my bro
Not at all. Appreciate the honesty. It’s what I needed. Better to just get it done and move on. Especially with the kids approval coming we can get the whole house taken care of soon.
I actually think the approval for kids has made a lot of people on the fence decide to get it, because my parents got it this week and they said the nurse said she was surprised how many first time injections they got recently because they were super busy.
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one of you great pals made a post with i believe a link to an article explaining what the term “long term” effects really means . would be grateful to anyone that can dig that up as it was one of the best posts regarding this subject ive come across
please help!
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one of you great pals made a post with i believe a link to an article explaining what the term “long term” effects really means . would be grateful to anyone that can dig that up as it was one of the best posts regarding this subject ive come across
please help!
Could you mean this? Only thing I could find when I searched “long term”, and they’re right. The only reason for continuing to monitor after the trials is to see if the efficacy of the vaccine wears off, not if problems randomly appear later on.
The only way a problem could arise from something years down the road is if you continue to have repeated exposure, like the sun causing skin cancer after years. If you were exposed to the sun once and then never saw sunlight for the rest of your life, you wouldn’t spontaneously develop skin cancer down the road.
You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
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one of you great pals made a post with i believe a link to an article explaining what the term “long term” effects really means . would be grateful to anyone that can dig that up as it was one of the best posts regarding this subject ive come across
please help!
Could you mean this? Only thing I could find when I searched “long term”, and they’re right. The only reason for continuing to monitor after the trials is to see if the efficacy of the vaccine wears off, not if problems randomly appear later on.
The only way a problem could arise from something years down the road is if you continue to have repeated exposure, like the sun causing skin cancer after years. If you were exposed to the sun once and then never saw sunlight for the rest of your life, you wouldn’t spontaneously develop skin cancer down the road.
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You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
yes that was the quote i was remembering, thanks!
@pica can you either explain that further or link an article that explains it . thx!
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long term effects of the vaccine or long term effects of catching a COVID-19 variant?
I don't know about the vaccine and long term effects, but I do know about long term effects of catching Covid. Was acutely sick mid August 2021. I've got pretty great lungs and I generally take excellent care of them (breathing exercises, meditation, yoga, hiker, biker, lung teas, herbs, non-smoker, etc). November 2021 and I've got to use an inhaler following an hour hike on trails with less than 500ft elevation change. Started my last year of graduate school and my focus is absolute crap. Felt like it was getting better for a few weeks and about 10 days ago, my short term memory and ability to focus shit the bed. I take all the vitamins and mushroom supplements for memory and brain health too. I feel older. It's very, very weird. My partner is more fucked up than me. She's zonked out, ready to sleep by 530-6pm every night. Her heart rate has been abnormally high and oxygen levels low. She runs an agency and knows it like the back of her hand and is having a very hard time keeping up with work.
I'm not sharing this for pity, empathy, or sympathy- I'm not even trying to convince anyone to get a vaccine (but wear a fucking mask) I'm just trying to reiterate that this virus, regardless of what it is or where it comes from, even if it doesn't kill you, has the potential to fuck you up for significantly longer than the 10 days you're mandated to quarantine is you test positive.
be well, home dawgs
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@IusedToSkateMore, damn dude, that sucks, but does really highlight how much of a crapshoot getting Covid is. You sound like you’ve kept yourself in good shape and you were seriously messed up by it. My wife and I hadn’t really exercised from March of 2020 through January of 2021 when we got it. For us it was like bad a cold where we felt exhausted and we lost smell for a couple weeks.
The point here is it doesn’t matter what sort of condition you’re in, it could be serious and put you in the hospital or it could be mild. You have no idea what will happen based on how heathy you are as that’s really not a factor that matters.
Thanks for sharing that man, I’m hoping it convinces a few people to take the vaccine so they won’t have a risk of spreading the virus or contracting it and possibly having serious side effects, which are more prevalent than the serious side effects with the vaccine.
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one of you great pals made a post with i believe a link to an article explaining what the term “long term” effects really means . would be grateful to anyone that can dig that up as it was one of the best posts regarding this subject ive come across
please help!
Could you mean this? Only thing I could find when I searched “long term”, and they’re right. The only reason for continuing to monitor after the trials is to see if the efficacy of the vaccine wears off, not if problems randomly appear later on.
The only way a problem could arise from something years down the road is if you continue to have repeated exposure, like the sun causing skin cancer after years. If you were exposed to the sun once and then never saw sunlight for the rest of your life, you wouldn’t spontaneously develop skin cancer down the road.
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You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
yes that was the quote i was remembering, thanks!
@pica can you either explain that further or link an article that explains it . thx!
Sweet, glad I could help!
As far as the definition, here are some links to information I’ve found both through my own looking and through my wife answering my questions on the topic; she’s a biochemist so she knows way more about this stuff than I’d ever care to learn on my own.
This link has the actual definition of long term side effect from the NIH, which matches what pica was saying. (https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/long-term-side-effect)
This link has a more in depth explanation from Ohio State University of how we know there won’t be any effects that suddenly show up months or years after you get the vaccine. (https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects)
Tl:dr - Historically vaccines cause side effects within 8 weeks maximum. mRNA and adenovector (J&J) vaccines are not new and have been studied for decades; we understand the mechanism of how they work very well. Basically the benefits outweigh the risks.
This link has another description from the University of Alabama of the same topic (https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines)
Tl:dr - The mRNA vaccines are more effective than other vaccines we’ve produced. The risk of long term effects is low because you take once and it leaves your system within weeks; for the mRNA vaccines it leaves your body within days. It also reiterates that side effects of vaccines show up within weeks, if at all. Clinical trials on the Covid vaccines showed minor side effects (sore arm, etc.) that lasted at most days. More serious side effects showed up after giving the vaccine to millions, which has been true for every new vaccine, but the incident rate is very low and the effects are less serious and less prevalent than the side effects of the virus itself.
Also, lawsuits over medication that has caused adverse effects are medications people would take daily and in higher doses. It’s the repeated exposure over time that causes problems down the line. There has never been a case documented of a non-living compound entering the body one time and causing an issue years down the road. Things that are living/able to reproduce on their own, such as viruses, parasites, cancer, etc. have caused issues months or years down the road because they don’t cause a visible issue until they have reproduced a certain amount. Non-living compounds like vaccines and medicine are incapable of reproducing, and thus are incapable of causing issues years after a single exposure.
I couldn’t find anything defining “long term side effects” within the actual clinical trial results, and I think that’s largely because it’s expected that the definition is understood. That’s one issue with scholarly articles and clinical results, they aren’t as accessible to laymen as they should be.
Anyway, I hope this helped clear up some stuff. I try to communicate stuff well but sometimes I subconsciously assume things I know are common knowledge, so if you need any clarification just let me know.
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@IusedToSkateMore, damn dude, that sucks, but does really highlight how much of a crapshoot getting Covid is. You sound like you’ve kept yourself in good shape and you were seriously messed up by it. My wife and I hadn’t really exercised from March of 2020 through January of 2021 when we got it. For us it was like bad a cold where we felt exhausted and we lost smell for a couple weeks.
The point here is it doesn’t matter what sort of condition you’re in, it could be serious and put you in the hospital or it could be mild. You have no idea what will happen based on how heathy you are as that’s really not a factor that matters.
Thanks for sharing that man, I’m hoping it convinces a few people to take the vaccine so they won’t have a risk of spreading the virus or contracting it and possibly having serious side effects, which are more prevalent than the serious side effects with the vaccine.
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one of you great pals made a post with i believe a link to an article explaining what the term “long term” effects really means . would be grateful to anyone that can dig that up as it was one of the best posts regarding this subject ive come across
please help!
Could you mean this? Only thing I could find when I searched “long term”, and they’re right. The only reason for continuing to monitor after the trials is to see if the efficacy of the vaccine wears off, not if problems randomly appear later on.
The only way a problem could arise from something years down the road is if you continue to have repeated exposure, like the sun causing skin cancer after years. If you were exposed to the sun once and then never saw sunlight for the rest of your life, you wouldn’t spontaneously develop skin cancer down the road.
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You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
So far no long term effects.
yes that was the quote i was remembering, thanks!
@pica can you either explain that further or link an article that explains it . thx!
Sweet, glad I could help!
As far as the definition, here are some links to information I’ve found both through my own looking and through my wife answering my questions on the topic; she’s a biochemist so she knows way more about this stuff than I’d ever care to learn on my own.
This link has the actual definition of long term side effect from the NIH, which matches what pica was saying. (https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/long-term-side-effect)
This link has a more in depth explanation from Ohio State University of how we know there won’t be any effects that suddenly show up months or years after you get the vaccine. (https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects)
Tl:dr - Historically vaccines cause side effects within 8 weeks maximum. mRNA and adenovector (J&J) vaccines are not new and have been studied for decades; we understand the mechanism of how they work very well. Basically the benefits outweigh the risks.
This link has another description from the University of Alabama of the same topic (https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines)
Tl:dr - The mRNA vaccines are more effective than other vaccines we’ve produced. The risk of long term effects is low because you take once and it leaves your system within weeks; for the mRNA vaccines it leaves your body within days. It also reiterates that side effects of vaccines show up within weeks, if at all. Clinical trials on the Covid vaccines showed minor side effects (sore arm, etc.) that lasted at most days. More serious side effects showed up after giving the vaccine to millions, which has been true for every new vaccine, but the incident rate is very low and the effects are less serious and less prevalent than the side effects of the virus itself.
Also, lawsuits over medication that has caused adverse effects are medications people would take daily and in higher doses. It’s the repeated exposure over time that causes problems down the line. There has never been a case documented of a non-living compound entering the body one time and causing an issue years down the road. Things that are living/able to reproduce on their own, such as viruses, parasites, cancer, etc. have caused issues months or years down the road because they don’t cause a visible issue until they have reproduced a certain amount. Non-living compounds like vaccines and medicine are incapable of reproducing, and thus are incapable of causing issues years after a single exposure.
I couldn’t find anything defining “long term side effects” within the actual clinical trial results, and I think that’s largely because it’s expected that the definition is understood. That’s one issue with scholarly articles and clinical results, they aren’t as accessible to laymen as they should be.
Anyway, I hope this helped clear up some stuff. I try to communicate stuff well but sometimes I subconsciously assume things I know are common knowledge, so if you need any clarification just let me know.
great information .. thank you!
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for sure. I have no idea how it gets those who it gets in the way that it does. I'm just trying to share that info because I'm sick and tired of people arguing "I'm healthy and have a great immune system, so I won't get it... spread it... etc"
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I work on a college campus and I just got a call from our health department telling me I’m eligible for a booster. Not really that hyped on going thru another day or two of side effects tbh. Do people get the same type of symptoms from their booster shots as they do from their original shots? Need to figure this out so I can plan around it and hopefully not miss out on anything important. If I really do go through with it, all you anti vaxxers better watch out, I’m gonna start living hella reckless with my new super mega immunity and spew germs all over your dumb non-immune asses. Have fun in the hospital bitches!
Looking for similar feedback. Pharmacy is finally letting be book an "additional dose" cause that's what Moderna is calling it. Really want it but don't have time to miss from work and weekends are pretty booked through Thanksgiving. A buddy and his wife got the boosters real early in the booster roll out and said they lessened the doses for the ones they give now cause they figured out they didn't need a "full shot" for the booster with Moderna. They were out for 36 hours or so similar to after second dose.
Having gotten vaccinates and a breakthrough Delta infection, all I can say is that if you get the Delta or whatever variant is creeping, you will feel like death warmed over for far longer than 36 hrs. In know everyone's experience is different, but my vaccine reaction that had me feeling like I had a flu was NOTHING compared to the Delta. Get it on a Friday... Jus sayin
Made an appointment for tomorrow night.
yeah, man, I realized after I wrote that that I may have sounded like a dick or whatever. I was just trying to get across that catching this shit really blows ::) hope that it doesn't whoop you too hard, my bro
Not at all. Appreciate the honesty. It’s what I needed. Better to just get it done and move on. Especially with the kids approval coming we can get the whole house taken care of soon.
hell ya man. glad y'all ar able to stay well
Got the booster on Thursday night around 9pm. All 3 shots were Moderna. Woke up Friday with a sore arm, went to work no problem, started getting a slight headache around lunch took some motrin. Headache started back around dinner time, took some more motrin and went to bed a little earlier than normal. Woke up Saturday with slightly more sore arm, no headache and back to normal now. Not nearly as bad as what my buddy and his wife reported going through.
I also got a flu shot in the other arm the same night and side effects from those, for me, are quite similar to what I experienced so it would be unfair for me to say the mild headaches were Covid vaccine alone.
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Got a Pfizer booster yesterday, by 4am or so I woke up with sore arm, headache, etc. Arm is more sore this time than either previous shot, but overall not as bad as shot #2 was. Somewhere in between my relatively mild first shot and my fairly unpleasant second one.
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Got the pfizer booster in mid september, didn‘t felt anything
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Just got moderna boosted and the flu shot in the other arm. 2nd shot fucked me up. Supposed to skate tomorrow, we’ll see.
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Have yet to get my booster.. Really need to considering we are remodeling a jail and the entire fucking jail gets it like every other week.
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Got my Pfizer booster today with my wife at Walgreens. So far just sore arm after napping. It was good to see parents bringing in their children for their vaccine even if it meant waiting longer since they were afraid of needles.
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If anyone has any questions about the vaccines, I studied microbiology with a focus on immunology, so I'm legitimately interested in informing people what's up in good faith. Stay safe out there everyone!
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Just got moderna boosted and the flu shot in the other arm. 2nd shot fucked me up. Supposed to skate tomorrow, we’ll see.
Feel genuinely awful. Just body aches, can’t get comfortable. Horrible night’s sleep. Feels exactly like shot 2, which also felt like when I had covid.
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Both my wife and I had the Pfizer in the spring and had very few side effects. A little tired, a bit of a sore arm to the touch.
Two weeks ago we got boosted and chose the Moderna with the thought that it may produce a higher reaction due to it being a different vaccine.
We were both put on our asses. The next morning I woke up feeling off, then by 2pm I was in bed. At 1am I had a headache that was worse than any hangover I have had in 10 years. I took Tylenol and by the time I woke up at 7 I was still in pain, but could at least think. By mid afternoon I was feeling about 70%, and the next morning (Saturday after a Wednesday boost) I was feeling fine.
Other friends who stuck with the same as their initial didn't have big reactions.
Anecdotal because it's a small sample size - but that's the news here.
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Got my booster Saturday
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my parents get boosters tomorrow, gonna get one too asap. but it hasn't been long since i was fully vaxxed, barely three months, so i probably will have to wait a bit still.
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If anyone has any questions about the vaccines, I studied microbiology with a focus on immunology, so I'm legitimately interested in informing people what's up in good faith. Stay safe out there everyone!
November 23rd will be 6 months from my second shot of Pfizer. I heard somewhere about 3 months ago (probably NPR) that boosters should be taken at 8 months
I understand that we are trying to prevent another surge but if I can stay away from everyone (which is real easy for me) shouldn't I wait longer before I get my booster
I'm not scared of getting sick from a shot. I'm a skater not a pussy
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I got the j&j in April and was thinking of getting a Moderna booster soon, anyone have any experience with that combo? Or am i the only one dumb enough to get the baby powder vax to begin with?
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If anyone has any questions about the vaccines, I studied microbiology with a focus on immunology, so I'm legitimately interested in informing people what's up in good faith. Stay safe out there everyone!
November 23rd will be 6 months from my second shot of Pfizer. I heard somewhere about 3 months ago (probably NPR) that boosters should be taken at 8 months
I understand that we are trying to prevent another surge but if I can stay away from everyone (which is real easy for me) shouldn't I wait longer before I get my booster
I'm not scared of getting sick from a shot. I'm a skater not a pussy
Healthcare workers and other high exposure/risk groups were given authorization to be boostered with that shorter interval. If you aren't engaging in risky behavior, I don't see the harm in it. I split the difference since my second dose was on 4/20 and I got my booster this past weekend. Keep in mind depending where you're at might have a rush of kids getting their first dose so plan accordingly.
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I got the j&j in April and was thinking of getting a Moderna booster soon, anyone have any experience with that combo? Or am i the only one dumb enough to get the baby powder vax to begin with?
I got it! No booster yet but so far I've yet to get covid.
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here's a new one: my 70yo mom talked with her doc about getting a booster, and he recommended that she get her antibodies tested through a blood sample. the test game back saying that she still has hella antibodies from her original vax, like a really high number, and so he doesn't think she needs the booster yet. is that actually how it works? i usually consider myself fairly knowledgable and scientifically literate but i'm just tired of reading all the annoying vaccine news every day at this point.
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(Bunch of pseudoscience BS I refuse to give a platform now that the post has been deleted)
Why didn't you post this on your actual account? If you truly believe this and that you can prove what you're saying is factual, then why hide who you are?
Let's start by addressing your claims.
- Florian Dagoury, Myocarditis/Pericarditis:
People who catch Covid have a 16 times higher risk of developing Myocarditis and Pericarditis than those who haven't caught the virus. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm) That is 0.146% of patients who contracted Covid compared to 0.009% of the general population. This is a fairly serious version of the condition. It could entirely be that he had contracted the virus, was asymptomatic, and developed it that way, or that it was unrelated to the virus or the vaccine.
There is a slight risk, 0.003% chance to be exact, that you can develop the condition from the vaccine. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html) You may notice that the risk of developing it from the vaccine is 3 times lower than the risk of developing it just from being alive. Those that did develop the condition from the vaccine had a very mild version of the condition and it typically was resolved with a few days of taking it easy. - Kyle Warner, Pericarditis, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia, and Reactive Arthritis:
I won't rehash the above, as it still applies to this.
POTS I've only been able to find one instance of it being possibly linked to the vaccine, and if Kyle's truly is from the vaccine, that's two instances. That means the incidence rate is extremely low. It is also generally temporary when caused by an outside condition like this.
Reactive Arthritis, much like POTS, I could only find one other case (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34033732/), and the patient wound up back to normal 2 days after receiving an injection. Reactive Arthritis is easily treatable, and is exceedingly rare to happen after a vaccine dosage.
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity. Nothing you've listed has been "life altering" and is easily resolved through waiting or a simple application of medicine, and some of what you've listed seems very likely that it only coincided with the dosage and is not a result of the dosage, which does happen.
The risk of any adverse effects from the vaccine, especially effects that last longer than a short period (6 months or less I'll say), is so rare that you're still far better off getting the vaccine than not getting it.
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For anyone who wants a very down the middle view of everything I suggest watching Vincent Racaniello's channel on youtube. He's a virologist for Columbia University for over 40 plus years and had his channel way before the pandemic. He says similar about myocarditis that you're 36% more likely to get it from the virus itself. He's pro vaccine, but doesn't believe most need boosters right now except for J&J. He has a weekly Q&A where people ask him all kinds of questions. His pods are lengthy, but very informative and well worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orV5gJLoFlU&t=3546s
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While it seems everyone here is very pro vaccine, vaccine injuries do happen and everyone should be aware of the risks. As more people get vaccinated we are starting to see those injuries occur. I hope none of this happens to any pals, and am posting this so that people can have more information about something that could have life altering consequences for their health.
Florian Dagoury, the world top static breath-holding freediver athlete at the moment - he officially held his breath for 10 min 30 sec twice - has seen his health and performance gravely impaired soon after his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was perfectly healthy before being vaccinated, but now has myocarditis and pericarditis after taking the Pfizer shot. He now recommends traditional vaccines over the mRna vaccines.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUrJkJ-FuFd/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer, developed pericarditis, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and reactive arthritis following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoEk5sh82_/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle and other people, who state to a person that they are pro vaccine and pro science, spoke about their injuries at a press conference and it is absolutely heart breaking to see what they are going through.
https://youtu.be/6mxqC9SiRh8?start=998
Let's start by addressing your claims.
- Florian Dagoury, Myocarditis/Pericarditis:
People who catch Covid have a 16 times higher risk of developing Myocarditis and Pericarditis than those who haven't caught the virus. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm) That is 0.146% of patients who contracted Covid compared to 0.009% of the general population. This is a fairly serious version of the condition. It could entirely be that he had contracted the virus, was asymptomatic, and developed it that way, or that it was unrelated to the virus or the vaccine.
There is a slight risk, 0.003% chance to be exact, that you can develop the condition from the vaccine. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html) You may notice that the risk of developing it from the vaccine is 3 times lower than the risk of developing it just from being alive. Those that did develop the condition from the vaccine had a very mild version of the condition and it typically was resolved with a few days of taking it easy. - Kyle Warner, Pericarditis, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia, and Reactive Arthritis:
I won't rehash the above, as it still applies to this.
POTS I've only been able to find one instance of it being possibly linked to the vaccine, and if Kyle's truly is from the vaccine, that's two instances. That means the incidence rate is extremely low. It is also generally temporary when caused by an outside condition like this.
Reactive Arthritis, much like POTS, I could only find one other case (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34033732/), and the patient wound up back to normal 2 days after receiving an injection. Reactive Arthritis is easily treatable, and is exceedingly rare to happen after a vaccine dosage.
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity. Nothing you've listed has been "life altering" and is easily resolved through waiting or a simple application of medicine, and some of what you've listed seems very likely that it only coincided with the dosage and is not a result of the dosage, which does happen.
The risk of any adverse effects from the vaccine, especially effects that last longer than a short period (6 months or less I'll say), is so rare that you're still far better off getting the vaccine than not getting it.
DM Kyle Warner like a man and tell him his life hasn't been altered
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWJwZLeN1Ze/
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While it seems everyone here is very pro vaccine, vaccine injuries do happen and everyone should be aware of the risks. As more people get vaccinated we are starting to see those injuries occur. I hope none of this happens to any pals, and am posting this so that people can have more information about something that could have life altering consequences for their health.
Florian Dagoury, the world top static breath-holding freediver athlete at the moment - he officially held his breath for 10 min 30 sec twice - has seen his health and performance gravely impaired soon after his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was perfectly healthy before being vaccinated, but now has myocarditis and pericarditis after taking the Pfizer shot. He now recommends traditional vaccines over the mRna vaccines.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUrJkJ-FuFd/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer, developed pericarditis, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and reactive arthritis following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoEk5sh82_/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle and other people, who state to a person that they are pro vaccine and pro science, spoke about their injuries at a press conference and it is absolutely heart breaking to see what they are going through.
https://youtu.be/6mxqC9SiRh8?start=998
Let's start by addressing your claims.
- Florian Dagoury, Myocarditis/Pericarditis:
People who catch Covid have a 16 times higher risk of developing Myocarditis and Pericarditis than those who haven't caught the virus. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm) That is 0.146% of patients who contracted Covid compared to 0.009% of the general population. This is a fairly serious version of the condition. It could entirely be that he had contracted the virus, was asymptomatic, and developed it that way, or that it was unrelated to the virus or the vaccine.
There is a slight risk, 0.003% chance to be exact, that you can develop the condition from the vaccine. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html) You may notice that the risk of developing it from the vaccine is 3 times lower than the risk of developing it just from being alive. Those that did develop the condition from the vaccine had a very mild version of the condition and it typically was resolved with a few days of taking it easy. - Kyle Warner, Pericarditis, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia, and Reactive Arthritis:
I won't rehash the above, as it still applies to this.
POTS I've only been able to find one instance of it being possibly linked to the vaccine, and if Kyle's truly is from the vaccine, that's two instances. That means the incidence rate is extremely low. It is also generally temporary when caused by an outside condition like this.
Reactive Arthritis, much like POTS, I could only find one other case (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34033732/), and the patient wound up back to normal 2 days after receiving an injection. Reactive Arthritis is easily treatable, and is exceedingly rare to happen after a vaccine dosage.
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity. Nothing you've listed has been "life altering" and is easily resolved through waiting or a simple application of medicine, and some of what you've listed seems very likely that it only coincided with the dosage and is not a result of the dosage, which does happen.
The risk of any adverse effects from the vaccine, especially effects that last longer than a short period (6 months or less I'll say), is so rare that you're still far better off getting the vaccine than not getting it.
DM Kyle Warner like a man and tell him his life hasn't been altered
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWJwZLeN1Ze/
at 1:30 he literally says "i'm probably going to be ok physically"
soooo it seems like he's gonna be fine? and his video doesn't disprove any of the statistics that Loki posted? sucks that he is being cyberbullied or whatever, if that's actually what's happening. maybe best not to use the poor guy as ammo in some dumb culture war.
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While it seems everyone here is very pro vaccine, vaccine injuries do happen and everyone should be aware of the risks. As more people get vaccinated we are starting to see those injuries occur. I hope none of this happens to any pals, and am posting this so that people can have more information about something that could have life altering consequences for their health.
Florian Dagoury, the world top static breath-holding freediver athlete at the moment - he officially held his breath for 10 min 30 sec twice - has seen his health and performance gravely impaired soon after his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was perfectly healthy before being vaccinated, but now has myocarditis and pericarditis after taking the Pfizer shot. He now recommends traditional vaccines over the mRna vaccines.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUrJkJ-FuFd/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer, developed pericarditis, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and reactive arthritis following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoEk5sh82_/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle and other people, who state to a person that they are pro vaccine and pro science, spoke about their injuries at a press conference and it is absolutely heart breaking to see what they are going through.
https://youtu.be/6mxqC9SiRh8?start=998
Let's start by addressing your claims.
- Florian Dagoury, Myocarditis/Pericarditis:
People who catch Covid have a 16 times higher risk of developing Myocarditis and Pericarditis than those who haven't caught the virus. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm) That is 0.146% of patients who contracted Covid compared to 0.009% of the general population. This is a fairly serious version of the condition. It could entirely be that he had contracted the virus, was asymptomatic, and developed it that way, or that it was unrelated to the virus or the vaccine.
There is a slight risk, 0.003% chance to be exact, that you can develop the condition from the vaccine. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html) You may notice that the risk of developing it from the vaccine is 3 times lower than the risk of developing it just from being alive. Those that did develop the condition from the vaccine had a very mild version of the condition and it typically was resolved with a few days of taking it easy. - Kyle Warner, Pericarditis, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia, and Reactive Arthritis:
I won't rehash the above, as it still applies to this.
POTS I've only been able to find one instance of it being possibly linked to the vaccine, and if Kyle's truly is from the vaccine, that's two instances. That means the incidence rate is extremely low. It is also generally temporary when caused by an outside condition like this.
Reactive Arthritis, much like POTS, I could only find one other case (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34033732/), and the patient wound up back to normal 2 days after receiving an injection. Reactive Arthritis is easily treatable, and is exceedingly rare to happen after a vaccine dosage.
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity. Nothing you've listed has been "life altering" and is easily resolved through waiting or a simple application of medicine, and some of what you've listed seems very likely that it only coincided with the dosage and is not a result of the dosage, which does happen.
The risk of any adverse effects from the vaccine, especially effects that last longer than a short period (6 months or less I'll say), is so rare that you're still far better off getting the vaccine than not getting it.
DM Kyle Warner like a man and tell him his life hasn't been altered
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWJwZLeN1Ze/
soooo it seems like he's gonna be fine? and his video doesn't disprove any of the statistics that Loki posted? sucks that he is being cyberbullied or whatever, if that's actually what's happening. maybe best not to use the poor guy as ammo in some dumb culture war.
Did you miss the part where he says he's suicidal as a result of what's happened to him post vaccination and that six friends of his in a vaccine injury group have all committed suicide?
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While it seems everyone here is very pro vaccine, vaccine injuries do happen and everyone should be aware of the risks. As more people get vaccinated we are starting to see those injuries occur. I hope none of this happens to any pals, and am posting this so that people can have more information about something that could have life altering consequences for their health.
Florian Dagoury, the world top static breath-holding freediver athlete at the moment - he officially held his breath for 10 min 30 sec twice - has seen his health and performance gravely impaired soon after his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was perfectly healthy before being vaccinated, but now has myocarditis and pericarditis after taking the Pfizer shot. He now recommends traditional vaccines over the mRna vaccines.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUrJkJ-FuFd/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer, developed pericarditis, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and reactive arthritis following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoEk5sh82_/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle and other people, who state to a person that they are pro vaccine and pro science, spoke about their injuries at a press conference and it is absolutely heart breaking to see what they are going through.
https://youtu.be/6mxqC9SiRh8?start=998
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity.
Not rabbi, but this argument is a logical fallacy that falls under mind reading. You're also rocking a side helping of hypocrisy unless your name is really Loki700.
The CDC study you cited re: myocarditis features some gems in it: "These findings suggest an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis, although causality cannot be inferred from observational data."
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"The findings in this study are subject to at least six limitations. First, the risk estimates from this study reflect the risk for myocarditis among persons who received a diagnosis of COVID-19 during an outpatient or inpatient health care encounter and do not reflect the risk among all persons who had COVID-19. Second, misclassification of COVID-19 and myocarditis is possible because conditions were determined by ICD-10-CM codes, which were not confirmed by clinical data (e.g., laboratory tests or cardiac imaging) and could be improperly coded or coded with a related condition (e.g., pericarditis). Third, encounters for COVID-19, myocarditis, and COVID-19 vaccination occurring outside of hospital systems that contribute to PHD-SR are not included within this data set. Fourth, underlying medical conditions and alternative etiologies for myocarditis (e.g., autoimmune disease) were not ascertained or excluded. Fifth, the obtained measures of association could be biased because of the choice of the comparison group (all patients without COVID-19) and if physicians were more likely to suspect or diagnose myocarditis among patients with COVID-19. Finally, the findings represent a convenience sample of patients from hospitals reporting to PHD-SR and might not be generalizable to the U.S. population. "
Additionally, re: your number on the chance that you can develop the condition from the vaccine is based on the numbers from the VAERS database. Are you aware of how the reporting works on there? I don't think you want to use those numbers to make your case.
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While it seems everyone here is very pro vaccine, vaccine injuries do happen and everyone should be aware of the risks. As more people get vaccinated we are starting to see those injuries occur. I hope none of this happens to any pals, and am posting this so that people can have more information about something that could have life altering consequences for their health.
Florian Dagoury, the world top static breath-holding freediver athlete at the moment - he officially held his breath for 10 min 30 sec twice - has seen his health and performance gravely impaired soon after his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was perfectly healthy before being vaccinated, but now has myocarditis and pericarditis after taking the Pfizer shot. He now recommends traditional vaccines over the mRna vaccines.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUrJkJ-FuFd/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer, developed pericarditis, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and reactive arthritis following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoEk5sh82_/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle and other people, who state to a person that they are pro vaccine and pro science, spoke about their injuries at a press conference and it is absolutely heart breaking to see what they are going through.
https://youtu.be/6mxqC9SiRh8?start=998
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity.
Not rabbi, but this argument is a logical fallacy that falls under mind reading. You're also rocking a side helping of hypocrisy unless your name is really Loki700.
The CDC study you cited re: myocarditis features some gems in it: "These findings suggest an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis, although causality cannot be inferred from observational data."
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"The findings in this study are subject to at least six limitations. First, the risk estimates from this study reflect the risk for myocarditis among persons who received a diagnosis of COVID-19 during an outpatient or inpatient health care encounter and do not reflect the risk among all persons who had COVID-19. Second, misclassification of COVID-19 and myocarditis is possible because conditions were determined by ICD-10-CM codes, which were not confirmed by clinical data (e.g., laboratory tests or cardiac imaging) and could be improperly coded or coded with a related condition (e.g., pericarditis). Third, encounters for COVID-19, myocarditis, and COVID-19 vaccination occurring outside of hospital systems that contribute to PHD-SR are not included within this data set. Fourth, underlying medical conditions and alternative etiologies for myocarditis (e.g., autoimmune disease) were not ascertained or excluded. Fifth, the obtained measures of association could be biased because of the choice of the comparison group (all patients without COVID-19) and if physicians were more likely to suspect or diagnose myocarditis among patients with COVID-19. Finally, the findings represent a convenience sample of patients from hospitals reporting to PHD-SR and might not be generalizable to the U.S. population. "
Additionally, re: your number on the chance that you can develop the condition from the vaccine is based on the numbers from the VAERS database. Are you aware of how the reporting works on there? I don't think you want to use those numbers to make your case.
Not tryna convince this guy, but rather speaking for the long haul covid survivors and casualties.
Not even going to watch those videos but will say that after catching the Delta, 4 months out I've got the breathing capacity of a life long cigarette smoker. Started testing recently and need to work with a pulmonolgist and get CT scans. I'm not a world class athlete, but I've been practicing intentional breathing for 10+ years as a yoga and meditation practitioner, runner, biker, and hiker. It's the middle of the day, I'm on break, drove to Costco, ate a burrito and by the time I got home, I needed to take a hit off the albuterol inhaler. Hopefully I can get some good care down the bay or something like that
Regarding death by suicide, I don't know that there are statistics, but 3 people in the small community I live in have died by suicide due, not to vaccines, but long haul covid effects. 3 friends of friends in a very, very small community.
Take care of yourselves and your loved ones. Cherish your lungs, homies.
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While it seems everyone here is very pro vaccine, vaccine injuries do happen and everyone should be aware of the risks. As more people get vaccinated we are starting to see those injuries occur. I hope none of this happens to any pals, and am posting this so that people can have more information about something that could have life altering consequences for their health.
Florian Dagoury, the world top static breath-holding freediver athlete at the moment - he officially held his breath for 10 min 30 sec twice - has seen his health and performance gravely impaired soon after his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was perfectly healthy before being vaccinated, but now has myocarditis and pericarditis after taking the Pfizer shot. He now recommends traditional vaccines over the mRna vaccines.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUrJkJ-FuFd/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer, developed pericarditis, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and reactive arthritis following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVoEk5sh82_/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kyle and other people, who state to a person that they are pro vaccine and pro science, spoke about their injuries at a press conference and it is absolutely heart breaking to see what they are going through.
https://youtu.be/6mxqC9SiRh8?start=998
TL:DR - You should have the balls to stand behind what you say rather than hiding behind anonymity.
Not rabbi, but this argument is a logical fallacy that falls under mind reading. You're also rocking a side helping of hypocrisy unless your name is really Loki700.
The CDC study you cited re: myocarditis features some gems in it: "These findings suggest an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis, although causality cannot be inferred from observational data."
and
"The findings in this study are subject to at least six limitations. First, the risk estimates from this study reflect the risk for myocarditis among persons who received a diagnosis of COVID-19 during an outpatient or inpatient health care encounter and do not reflect the risk among all persons who had COVID-19. Second, misclassification of COVID-19 and myocarditis is possible because conditions were determined by ICD-10-CM codes, which were not confirmed by clinical data (e.g., laboratory tests or cardiac imaging) and could be improperly coded or coded with a related condition (e.g., pericarditis). Third, encounters for COVID-19, myocarditis, and COVID-19 vaccination occurring outside of hospital systems that contribute to PHD-SR are not included within this data set. Fourth, underlying medical conditions and alternative etiologies for myocarditis (e.g., autoimmune disease) were not ascertained or excluded. Fifth, the obtained measures of association could be biased because of the choice of the comparison group (all patients without COVID-19) and if physicians were more likely to suspect or diagnose myocarditis among patients with COVID-19. Finally, the findings represent a convenience sample of patients from hospitals reporting to PHD-SR and might not be generalizable to the U.S. population. "
Additionally, re: your number on the chance that you can develop the condition from the vaccine is based on the numbers from the VAERS database. Are you aware of how the reporting works on there? I don't think you want to use those numbers to make your case.
i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
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DM Kyle Warner like a man and tell him his life hasn't been altered
I don’t have Instagram, and even then, I’m not going to shit on someone who is hurting right now. It sucks he’s a professional athlete and that it cut into his life more than it would other peoples’, but long term he’s going to be fine. That is what I meant by life altering, none of this will stick with him for life.
Did you miss the part where he says he's suicidal as a result of what's happened to him post vaccination and that six friends of his in a vaccine injury group have all committed suicide?
He said he’s suicidal because of the cyber bullying, not the effects of the vaccination. People giving him shit relentlessly is wrong, I don’t think any of us would try to justify that.
Not rabbi, but this argument is a logical fallacy that falls under mind reading. You're also rocking a side helping of hypocrisy unless your name is really Loki700.
The CDC study you cited re: myocarditis features some gems in it: "These findings suggest an association between COVID-19 and myocarditis, although causality cannot be inferred from observational data."
and
"The findings in this study are subject to at least six limitations. First, the risk estimates from this study reflect the risk for myocarditis among persons who received a diagnosis of COVID-19 during an outpatient or inpatient health care encounter and do not reflect the risk among all persons who had COVID-19. Second, misclassification of COVID-19 and myocarditis is possible because conditions were determined by ICD-10-CM codes, which were not confirmed by clinical data (e.g., laboratory tests or cardiac imaging) and could be improperly coded or coded with a related condition (e.g., pericarditis). Third, encounters for COVID-19, myocarditis, and COVID-19 vaccination occurring outside of hospital systems that contribute to PHD-SR are not included within this data set. Fourth, underlying medical conditions and alternative etiologies for myocarditis (e.g., autoimmune disease) were not ascertained or excluded. Fifth, the obtained measures of association could be biased because of the choice of the comparison group (all patients without COVID-19) and if physicians were more likely to suspect or diagnose myocarditis among patients with COVID-19. Finally, the findings represent a convenience sample of patients from hospitals reporting to PHD-SR and might not be generalizable to the U.S. population. "
Additionally, re: your number on the chance that you can develop the condition from the vaccine is based on the numbers from the VAERS database. Are you aware of how the reporting works on there? I don't think you want to use those numbers to make your case.
You know you can quote multiple posts in one post, right?
You’re either being disingenuous or you’re not very bright. Much like your account, their account was made today. They are clearly too afraid of what others will think to post on their normal slap account, which shows a lack of faith in what they said. They just wanted to stir the pot.
They’re not wrong in the study, and the 0.003% figure actually comes from independent research (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737), but you can continue to show how you don’t know what you’re taking about if you really want.
What happened to Kyle sucks, but it’s not lasting and is extremely rare. Him saying that there should be transparency and such doesn’t make sense though. They were transparent that you could have a severe reaction, they said that people had severe reactions. He still chose to take it so he could travel internationally. That’s also avoiding that he could have, and probably would have, far worse and actually lasting conditions had he contracted the actual virus.
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Frank and @Loki700 wish I could gnar you pals twice!
In regards to these burner accounts popping to spew shit, stop. Y’all are clearly members of this community or long time lurkers that lack the moral courage or fortitude to stand by your convictions. All y’all have shown is how shallow your gene pool is, and by not taking the vaccine you are potentially removing yourself from it.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
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I got the j&j in April and was thinking of getting a Moderna booster soon, anyone have any experience with that combo? Or am i the only one dumb enough to get the baby powder vax to begin with?
Glad it's been working for ya. I caught it a couple of months ago but my symptoms were mellow compared to some of the stories I've heard, made me appreciate getting any vax to begin with.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
Agreed, both on the guy needing serious psychological help (said as someone receiving said help) and Frank writing English well. I was actually unaware English wasn’t his first language.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
haha, i can totally see what the dude means to be fair. i guess i try to sound native i guess but sometimes i think to myself "damn, only someone with english as a second language would write it like that lol". i should also probably have said "eloquently" instead of "elaborate"... anyways.
just found out germany has a pretty low vaccination rate compared to the rest of europe, around 65% and we are in the midst of a fourth wave rn and it's worse than it has ever been, but they're not closing shit down anymore. from saturday on the service industry is open for vaccinated people only. so unvaxxed people can only go grocery shopping now. kind of harsh, but i can see how they try to pressure the rest into getting vaccinated. all the eu countries with higher vaccination rates are doing much better.
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I got the j&j in April and was thinking of getting a Moderna booster soon, anyone have any experience with that combo? Or am i the only one dumb enough to get the baby powder vax to begin with?
I got the JnJ in early April and a Moderna booster and flu shot 36 hours ago. So far, so good. I had moderate hangover-like symptoms from my initial vax.
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Wtf, this mountain biker guy needs to get of social media and get into some serious therapy pronto, holy shit. Pretty obvious he has some major underlying psychological problems.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
haha, i can totally see what the dude means to be fair. i guess i try to sound native i guess but sometimes i think to myself "damn, only someone with english as a second language would write it like that lol". i should also probably have said "eloquently" instead of "elaborate"... anyways.
just found out germany has a pretty low vaccination rate compared to the rest of europe, around 65% and we are in the midst of a fourth wave rn and it's worse than it has ever been, but they're not closing shit down anymore. from saturday on the service industry is open for vaccinated people only. so unvaxxed people can only go grocery shopping now. kind of harsh, but i can see how they try to pressure the rest into getting vaccinated. all the eu countries with higher vaccination rates are doing much better.
Gibraltar with 100% vax rate is experiencing a fourth wave.
Israel, Singapore with some of highest rates experiencing the same.
African countries with 6% vax rate experiencing very low death rates.
The jab does not work. In England a higher proportion of people hospitalised are double-jabbed.
Big pharma has sold a lie.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
haha, i can totally see what the dude means to be fair. i guess i try to sound native i guess but sometimes i think to myself "damn, only someone with english as a second language would write it like that lol". i should also probably have said "eloquently" instead of "elaborate"... anyways.
just found out germany has a pretty low vaccination rate compared to the rest of europe, around 65% and we are in the midst of a fourth wave rn and it's worse than it has ever been, but they're not closing shit down anymore. from saturday on the service industry is open for vaccinated people only. so unvaxxed people can only go grocery shopping now. kind of harsh, but i can see how they try to pressure the rest into getting vaccinated. all the eu countries with higher vaccination rates are doing much better.
Gibraltar with 100% vax rate is experiencing a fourth wave.
Israel, Singapore with some of highest rates experiencing the same.
African countries with 6% vax rate experiencing very low death rates.
The jab does not work. In England a higher proportion of people hospitalised are double-jabbed.
Big pharma has sold a lie.
Typical generalizing bulllshit that is for instance not taking the vacciantion timeline into account. How come that the Covid-related death rate in a vaccinated population is significantly lower that in a not-vaccinated population? Just fuck off.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
haha, i can totally see what the dude means to be fair. i guess i try to sound native i guess but sometimes i think to myself "damn, only someone with english as a second language would write it like that lol". i should also probably have said "eloquently" instead of "elaborate"... anyways.
just found out germany has a pretty low vaccination rate compared to the rest of europe, around 65% and we are in the midst of a fourth wave rn and it's worse than it has ever been, but they're not closing shit down anymore. from saturday on the service industry is open for vaccinated people only. so unvaxxed people can only go grocery shopping now. kind of harsh, but i can see how they try to pressure the rest into getting vaccinated. all the eu countries with higher vaccination rates are doing much better.
Gibraltar with 100% vax rate is experiencing a fourth wave.
Israel, Singapore with some of highest rates experiencing the same.
African countries with 6% vax rate experiencing very low death rates.
The jab does not work. In England a higher proportion of people hospitalised are double-jabbed.
Big pharma has sold a lie.
If you take a quick look at goggle you'd see for the current 7 day averages...
Gibralter = 0 deaths
Isreal = 2 deaths
Singapore = 3 deaths
More double jabbed people may get hospitalized, but the vaccination effectiveness is about 90% against severe disease and hospitalization. If for example 1 million people were vaxxed, 10% of that is still 100,000 people. No vaccine is 100% effective and some people don't trigger a good immune response to a vaccine for whatever reason, but 90% is still really good. The flu vaccine is only about 60% effective.
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you guys get your omicron shots yet?
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you guys get your omicron shots yet?
Get my booster shot on the 6th. Hopefully that will help with these internet drops that I've been getting lately. The lizard overlords have been so strict with their 5G. Must have to do with the toilets on the space station
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Wtf, this mountain biker guy needs to get of social media and get into some serious therapy pronto, holy shit. Pretty obvious he has some major underlying psychological problems.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
haha, i can totally see what the dude means to be fair. i guess i try to sound native i guess but sometimes i think to myself "damn, only someone with english as a second language would write it like that lol". i should also probably have said "eloquently" instead of "elaborate"... anyways.
just found out germany has a pretty low vaccination rate compared to the rest of europe, around 65% and we are in the midst of a fourth wave rn and it's worse than it has ever been, but they're not closing shit down anymore. from saturday on the service industry is open for vaccinated people only. so unvaxxed people can only go grocery shopping now. kind of harsh, but i can see how they try to pressure the rest into getting vaccinated. all the eu countries with higher vaccination rates are doing much better.
Gibraltar with 100% vax rate is experiencing a fourth wave.
Israel, Singapore with some of highest rates experiencing the same.
African countries with 6% vax rate experiencing very low death rates.
The jab does not work. In England a higher proportion of people hospitalised are double-jabbed.
Big pharma has sold a lie.
If you take a quick look at goggle you'd see for the current 7 day averages...
Gibralter = 0 deaths
Isreal = 2 deaths
Singapore = 3 deaths
More double jabbed people may get hospitalized, but the vaccination effectiveness is about 90% against severe disease and hospitalization. If for example 1 million people were vaxxed, 10% of that is still 100,000 people. No vaccine is 100% effective and some people don't trigger a good immune response to a vaccine for whatever reason, but 90% is still really good. The flu vaccine is only about 60% effective.
Flu vaccination efficacy varies wildly season to season, sometimes as it's much lower than that. This is because there are so many variants that its kind of a guessing game as to which ones will end up circulating and they have to formulate the shots before flu season to ensure proper supply. Its actually a really interesting topic.
So yeah, safer and more effective than most of the stuff we've already been using to massively increase human lifespan over the past 50 years. Its almost like the people who have devoted their lives to studying and understanding this shit know what they're doing or something.
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It's pretty crazy how the newest flavour of Covid has 32 mutations on the spike protein alone. Wonder how that will effect the usefulness of the MRNA vaccines since they only target that specific component of the virus.
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Had my reluctance at first but I got the moderna one and my booster last week, I just don’t like the idea of getting sick when not needed.
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i'm not saying it's these dudes own fault, but when i got my shot, the doc said no sports for a few days, since that might be a reason for people developing myocarditis. knowing what i read on here on how others went about it, most got the shot and when they felt it wouldn't put them down for a day or two just continued doing excercise and whatever. especially the people who are into training were all like "yeah they said no sports, but i have to excercise, bro."
lots of people that got a shot on here went skating the same day, one of my coworkers probably got smashed for three days after his jab to clear the headache.
you don't know how well they followed their doctors advise. a lot of very fit people think they are invincible. generally if you are a high performance athlete your heart is trained to basically work best under duress, you can overtrain your heart to the point where your normal heartrate might get too low to pump enough blood into your system. those inflammatory diseases of the heart are pretty common for soccer players and others. just because someone is into sports or able to bring exceptional stuff to the table in terms of records doesn't mean they are overall healthy.
so to say look, these athletes, who are in top shape got myocarditis and so on from getting the vaccine, doesn't cut it.
my anecdotal evidence is that besides two people everyone in my circle of friends, acquaintances or coworkers is vaccinated, and i'd guess most of them got one of the mrna vaccines. just my sample there was literally no one, not a single person that had sketchy side effects. the sample is probably around a hundred people i'd say. so i basically know no one in person that had really bad side effects aside from sore arm, headache for a day or two, feeling hungover for a day or two. literally not a single one had something worse to tell. i'm not ruling it out, after all the docs warned about it.
these athletes aren't doctors after all, and history shown us time and time again that their docs can also be literally insane or predatory. so to assume just because they are physically strong they can't get sick is straight up idiotic. they are constantly operating on the edge. if you'd know people that do extreme shit like ultrarunning or any time of hypercompetitive dude you know they tend to get mad sick after periods of excessive training and competing. because that shit crushes your system.
Is English your second langauge? This post is full of weird assumptions. Who said anything about physically strong people not getting sick? Cool that you know ultrarunners though.
yes, english is my second language, you asshat. you had to make another account just to ask that stupid question? i'm high as fuck too, i didn't care to sound elaborate. what i wrote is still true tho.
the poster i replied to came up with these examples, like the one of the diver who got myocarditis, even though that guy can hold his breath for ten minutes, making it sound superdramatic that of all people this superhuman had to suffer sideeffects. my reply basically said it's wrong to assume people like him can't get the side effects and to use them as examples how dangerous the vaccine could be is misleading imo.
i'm sure you still didn't get the point.
Your English is great, Frank, and you made a lot of sense.
haha, i can totally see what the dude means to be fair. i guess i try to sound native i guess but sometimes i think to myself "damn, only someone with english as a second language would write it like that lol". i should also probably have said "eloquently" instead of "elaborate"... anyways.
just found out germany has a pretty low vaccination rate compared to the rest of europe, around 65% and we are in the midst of a fourth wave rn and it's worse than it has ever been, but they're not closing shit down anymore. from saturday on the service industry is open for vaccinated people only. so unvaxxed people can only go grocery shopping now. kind of harsh, but i can see how they try to pressure the rest into getting vaccinated. all the eu countries with higher vaccination rates are doing much better.
Gibraltar with 100% vax rate is experiencing a fourth wave.
Israel, Singapore with some of highest rates experiencing the same.
African countries with 6% vax rate experiencing very low death rates.
The jab does not work. In England a higher proportion of people hospitalised are double-jabbed.
Big pharma has sold a lie.
If you take a quick look at goggle you'd see for the current 7 day averages...
Gibralter = 0 deaths
Isreal = 2 deaths
Singapore = 3 deaths
More double jabbed people may get hospitalized, but the vaccination effectiveness is about 90% against severe disease and hospitalization. If for example 1 million people were vaxxed, 10% of that is still 100,000 people. No vaccine is 100% effective and some people don't trigger a good immune response to a vaccine for whatever reason, but 90% is still really good. The flu vaccine is only about 60% effective.
Flu vaccination efficacy varies wildly season to season, sometimes as it's much lower than that. This is because there are so many variants that its kind of a guessing game as to which ones will end up circulating and they have to formulate the shots before flu season to ensure proper supply. Its actually a really interesting topic.
So yeah, safer and more effective than most of the stuff we've already been using to massively increase human lifespan over the past 50 years. Its almost like the people who have devoted their lives to studying and understanding this shit know what they're doing or something.
Correct. They are guessing at which flu strains are circulating. Also there there are many flu strains like H1N1, H3N2 etc. There is currently only 1 SARS-Cov-2. There may be many mutations, but it may or may not mean a lot in the long run. Mu and Lamba didn't do much to displace Delta. Omicron may, but it's too early to tell. I feel the vaccine will still be effective against it even with the 32 spike protein changes.
People point to the vaccines not working and effectiveness waining, but there's more to it. Like most vaccines it will boost your antibodies which helps prevent infection for the first 6-8 months, then naturally come down. However, your T and B cells will still have memory and kick in when you get infected. So now that vaxxed people are getting infected they think it's not working because the antibodies decreased, yet it still protects against severe disease and death. People get infected with the polio virus all the time and don't know it. If you took stool samples you'd find it. Yet it's doing its job because it's preventing paralysis.
No one wants to get sick so if you want a booster then go for it. Just remember you'll probably have to do it every 6-8 months.
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Can someone help me understand absolute risk versus relative risk and how this relates to the vaccines? Seeing the effectiveness numbers being at like 1.1% with absolute risk reduction.
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Can someone help me understand absolute risk versus relative risk and how this relates to the vaccines? Seeing the effectiveness numbers being at like 1.1% with absolute risk reduction.
That number isn't from an actual study, and is from an article in The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext), the authors of which are disappointed that their article is being misinterpreted and twisted to lie about the effectiveness of the vaccine.
Relative Risk Reduction tells us how much the risk of infection is reduced compared to the control group of the study that received no vaccine. It basically tells you the efficacy, or how well the vaccine protected clinical trial participants from getting sick or very sick.
The Absolute Risk Reduction is the arithmetic difference between the percentage of people who got infected within the two groups. When the event rate is lower, the ARR is lower, and when the event rate is higher, the ARR is higher. They are not typically looked at because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs. However, the ARR will always appear low when compared to the RRR.
To help you understand better, if you had 40,000 people in a study, half of them got the vaccine and half were in the control group and did not, and 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 in the vaccine group got sick, you'd have an RRR, or efficacy, of 100%. However, since the reduction in number of people sick is 200-0 = 200, and there were 20,000 people in the vaccine group, the ARR would be 200/20,000 = 1%. If you wanted to increase the ARR to say 10%, while keeping an RRR of 100%, you would need 2,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group to get sick.
If we look at the above example, and say 10 people with the vaccine got sick, that would be an RRR of 1 - (10/200) = 95%. The ARR would be 200/20,000 - 10/20,000 = 0.95%. Now if you double the numbers so 20 people got sick with the vaccine, and 400 in the control group, the RRR is still 95%, but the ARR becomes 1.9%.
RRR is used because it means that irrespective of the transmission setting, it will reduce the risk of infection by that percentage.
Edit: Huh, the umlaut in your name confuses Slap and won’t let me quote you. Weird. Took me a while to figure out why the message wouldn’t post.
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Thanks for such a detailed reply Loki! Ok, so if I’m getting it, the effectiveness numbers are based on one study and the conditions of the study/who they involved, etc.? It seems like this would allow for the manufacturers to conduct studies that would lead to very high effectiveness numbers, and as a result give a false sense of security when it comes to effectiveness. I know when the vaccines were first being rolled out Biden, Walensky, Fauci et al were making some pretty bold claims about how much protection one was afforded by the shot.
I just found a good wired article that gets into this and I definitely interpreted the numbers in the way that the article outlines https://www.wired.com/story/the-statistical-secrets-of-covid-19-vaccines/ (https://www.wired.com/story/the-statistical-secrets-of-covid-19-vaccines/)
When the new vaccines came out, their makers and the government touted their efficacy with some impressive numbers—95% for Pfizer, 94% for Moderna, 67% for J&J. Sweet!
But “efficacy” has a specific meaning in the world of vaccine statistics, and it’s not “Hey, if I get a shot, my chance of getting Covid is now just 5%!” Ha, no, you dope. Because your chance of getting Covid wasn’t 100% in the first place. See, vaccine efficacy is actually a relative risk reduction. It’s a ratio comparing the risk of infection in people who got vaccinated versus people who didn’t (the control group). Since the basic function of a vaccine is, indeed, to keep people from catching a disease, you can imagine that this number can end up being pretty big—regardless of those people’s chances of getting Covid.
Ok, so all that aside, could we use the hospitalization/death rate of the vaccinated and divide that by the number of overall vaccinated to get at a more realistic effectiveness number? Do manufacturer’s update their numbers? Thank you again for the info.
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Thanks for such a detailed reply Loki! Ok, so if I’m getting it, the effectiveness numbers are based on one study and the conditions of the study/who they involved, etc.? It seems like this would allow for the manufacturers to conduct studies that would lead to very high effectiveness numbers, and as a result give a false sense of security when it comes to effectiveness. I know when the vaccines were first being rolled out Biden, Walensky, Fauci et al were making some pretty bold claims about how much protection one was afforded by the shot.
I just found a good wired article that gets into this and I definitely interpreted the numbers in the way that the article outlines https://www.wired.com/story/the-statistical-secrets-of-covid-19-vaccines/ (https://www.wired.com/story/the-statistical-secrets-of-covid-19-vaccines/)
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When the new vaccines came out, their makers and the government touted their efficacy with some impressive numbers—95% for Pfizer, 94% for Moderna, 67% for J&J. Sweet!
But “efficacy” has a specific meaning in the world of vaccine statistics, and it’s not “Hey, if I get a shot, my chance of getting Covid is now just 5%!” Ha, no, you dope. Because your chance of getting Covid wasn’t 100% in the first place. See, vaccine efficacy is actually a relative risk reduction. It’s a ratio comparing the risk of infection in people who got vaccinated versus people who didn’t (the control group). Since the basic function of a vaccine is, indeed, to keep people from catching a disease, you can imagine that this number can end up being pretty big—regardless of those people’s chances of getting Covid.
Ok, so all that aside, could we use the hospitalization/death rate of the vaccinated and divide that by the number of overall vaccinated to get at a more realistic effectiveness number? Do manufacturer’s update their numbers? Thank you again for the info.
They’re actually based on multiple rounds of studies, 3 to be exact. The studies are also conducted by a third party per the FDA regulations to avoid massaging of the numbers. The claims being made weren’t really exaggerated, they just weren’t as clear as they could have been I think, and I think that was largely to avoid confusing people.
I skimmed the wired article, and it does an ok job of explaining the numbers, but the RRR compares the actual number of sick people from one group to another, so it already controls for fact that you don’t have a 100% risk of contracting the virus.
The main problem with trying to calculate effectiveness based on real world results is that there’s no control of variables. There could be other factors that skew the numbers, either making the vaccine appear to be more or less effective. That’s why official numbers are always based on lab results, because that’s where we can control variables and be certain that the outcome is actually due to the vaccine, or that car X truly gets more mileage than car Y, all things being equal. As a result, I don’t know for sure, but I would be inclined to say that manufacturers wouldn’t update their numbers without another study simply because the numbers wouldn’t be accurate.
To give an example, perhaps people who are vaccinated are more careful in general (not saying this is the case), so they are less likely to even be exposed to the virus. This would make the vaccine appear to be more effective than it actually is. Conversely, they could also be less careful due to feeling safer, so they could be exposed more times than the average person, making the vaccine appear to be less effective because the more times you’re exposed the more likely you are to get it with or without the vaccine.
The goal of the study isn’t to give exact numbers of what you can expect in the real world. It’s to give you an idea of how the vaccine will perform with all other factors being the same. To go back to the mileage example, that’s usually why people don’t reach the exact mileage listed on cars, but you’ll still see the basic trend of one car getting better mileage than another.
I hope that helps make it clearer.
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I think I'll hold out for the Omega variant. Hopefully we'll have some long term safety data by then.
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I think I'll hold out for the Omega variant. Hopefully we'll have some long term safety data by then.
I feel the need to quote this again. We have long term safety data. The vaccines are safe long term. There literally isn't a possibility to develop side effects a long time after you get the vaccine, and the actual long term effects are basically non-existent.
You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
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I think I'll hold out for the Omega variant. Hopefully we'll have some long term safety data by then.
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You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)
Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.
Ok then, how about the short term side effects?
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/71-athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-26-die-after-covid-shot/
That page just lists of a bunch of athletes that died, including "autopsy resulted in suicide verdict", "ruled as accidental xanax/fentanyl overdose", "ruled suicide by self-inflicted gunshot to the head", "possibly of cancer" ... So the vaccine is now causing suicidal thoughts and fentanyl overdose?
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What a surprise a website called good sciencing has misleading information
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So are we going to ignore the vaers database reporting? I get that there are issues with the reporting system and that neither of the two institutions that run the system (FDA & CDC) verify the claims, easily falsifiable, etc. but as far as I know this is the only public reporting system for vaccine injury.
https://openvaers.com/covid-data
Based on their numbers, as of November 19th they are listing almost 20,000 deaths, 100k hospitalizations, and 30k permanently disabled.
I personally know someone who went into anaphylactic shock immediately following her jab, but luckily it was being administered at a fire station and they had an epinephrine shot on hand and she was ultimately ok.
The vibe on here regarding vaccines is pretty clear, but I don’t see why we shouldn’t be able to talk about vaccine injuries if they are occurring. I just wish there was a more easily verifiable source of information regarding this stuff, and if anyone is aware of a place to find unambiguous confirmable numbers I’d like to see it.
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Shut your bitch ass up.
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Shut your bitch ass up.
Exactly what I was talking about with the vibe. You know the vibes.
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So are we going to ignore the vaers database reporting? I get that there are issues with the reporting system and that neither of the two institutions that run the system (FDA & CDC) verify the claims, easily falsifiable, etc. but as far as I know this is the only public reporting system for vaccine injury.
https://openvaers.com/covid-data
Based on their numbers, as of November 19th they are listing almost 20,000 deaths, 100k hospitalizations, and 30k permanently disabled.
I personally know someone who went into anaphylactic shock immediately following her jab, but luckily it was being administered at a fire station and they had an epinephrine shot on hand and she was ultimately ok.
The vibe on here regarding vaccines is pretty clear, but I don’t see why we shouldn’t be able to talk about vaccine injuries if they are occurring. I just wish there was a more easily verifiable source of information regarding this stuff, and if anyone is aware of a place to find unambiguous confirmable numbers I’d like to see it.
We aren’t ignoring it, we’re just understanding what it means because bringing that up is quite honestly a red herring. That’s why people here dismiss people that bring it up, because they are usually not arguing in good faith.
Legally, anyone who is vaccinated who happens to die, no matter the cause, needs to be reported to VAERS. If I died in a car crash today, my death would be reported to VAERS and I would be one of those numbers. The numbers in the link you provided don’t seem to match up with actual VAERS data which shows 10,000 deaths, or 0.002% of vaccinated people. The average death rate among the general population is 0.72%. That alone should show that the vaccine likely isn’t the cause. To date only 6 deaths have been linked to Covid vaccines.
The same is true for the other events, where it is reported whether or not it is definitively caused by the vaccine. Anaphylaxis can happen, but only to 0.0005% of the population.
Compare this to the severe side effects of the actual virus. 1.6% of the 49,400,000 people in the US who have gotten Covid have died. More than 25% of people have had long term effects, including permanent disability.
When you look at the numbers, it becomes clear that the vaccines aren’t to blame for all of the reported incidents, and even if they were, they are still extremely lower than the adverse effects of Covid itself.
Bringing up these incidents is just fear mongering, full stop.
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being a vaccine skeptic must be CRIPPLING because surely they apply the same level of skepticism to all other substances.
must have to read all ingredients lists for sodium benzoate and other preservatives, avoid meat and dairy (especially cured meats like bacon), no alcohol tobacco or drugs, no charred/grilled or fried foods, anything with the california prop 65 warning can't enter your home. all things scientifically linked, or proven to be the cause of several disorders or cancers.
hey i'm just bringing up the facts, i know the general vibe on these boards about bacon, but i think it is worth discussing those that have been bacon injured.
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being a vaccine skeptic must be CRIPPLING because surely they apply the same level of skepticism to all other substances.
must have to read all ingredients lists for sodium benzoate and other preservatives, avoid meat and dairy (especially cured meats like bacon), no alcohol tobacco or drugs, no charred/grilled or fried foods, anything with the california prop 65 warning can't enter your home. all things scientifically linked, or proven to be the cause of several disorders or cancers.
hey i'm just bringing up the facts, i know the general vibe on these boards about bacon, but i think it is worth discussing those that have been bacon injured.
I get what you're saying but I do think there are a good amount of people that live like that and care about what they put into their bodies and bring into their homes. Obviously there is a plethora of things to watch out for and its pretty difficult to stay on top of it but that doesn't mean you should just give up trying. I am just a person, trying to live my best life. I don't have all the answers. But from my personal experience governments, institutions, and especially big pharma are driven by monetary gain and absolutely do not give a shit about people. I am skeptical to trust them and I think that is fair. I am not anti-vaccine and I think everyone has a right to do what they feel is safe for them. The problem is people from both sides not willing to budge at all...I am willing to say it's extremely unlikely the vaccine is bad or gonna kill anyone, why can't anyone who is pro vaccine admit the vaccine isn't as effective as originally promised? That right now being unvaccinated I can still get and spread covid but that would remain the same if I was vaccinated. Also the myth that I am killing anyone because I am unvaccinated is completely false. Covid is killing people.
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Haha, you nailed me sketchyrider. I do practice a plant based diet and am straight edge for the most part, save for some psychedelics on occasion.
I’ve already had covid and recovered and it was an incredibly mild experience. Some sniffling, a bit of sore throat and lethargy for two weeks, and that was it. I have had the flu once in my life and have gotten sick twice in the last ten years, including covid. My family members who practice a plant based diet have had similar experiences with their health.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I am incredibly cautious and thoughtful about everything I put into my body, which is why I am still trying to accurately navigate all the information about these drugs. I have never seen anything pushed harder by the media, and the fact that Pfizer sponsors so many of the news programs gives me serious cause for concern. If this is not appropriate to talk about on this thread, please let me know.
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Let's face it, the choice to get vaxed up is basically a consumer decision, in a world where consumer choice is presented as the only meaningful avenue we have for self-determination. The newness of it and the weird brand-shopping and the constant promotion in tv and radio advertisements makes it feel like buying a brand of toothpaste. And lots of people prefer to buy fluoride-free hippie toothpastes because they rightfully suspect that big pharma is knowingly promoting harmful crap in every other product they shill. But if you're willing to look past all the sketchy crap, fluoride does actually help keep your teeth from rotting into mush. At a certain point most vaccines become less controversial, like polio, MMR, etc. There are still some freaks who want to resist em but the majority will just take the minor risks so they can enroll in school or whatever.
Anyway we're at a point now where at least the anti-vax crowd can get some pills or infusions or whatever should they end up getting really sick. Covid was always survivable for the vast majority, and it's becoming moreso as treatments improve. The days of getting your lungs blown up by a ventillator because nobody knows any better are mostly over, thank goodness. So you can take the miniscule risk of vaccine side effects or a somewhat less miniscule (but still acceptable to many) risk of covid complications. And of course you can argue about it as a way of asserting your consumer identity no matter which path you choose. The pharma bosses are laughing all the way to the bank either way.
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a coworker who is fully vaxxed, tested positive, but from what i know everyone he's been with at work has tested negative since, so i guess the vaccine still does a pretty good job preventing the infection, even if some people still get it. he apparently came down from a cold or maybe even the flu he had two weeks prior, so maybe he got it cause he was extra weakened. he feels alright so far though.
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why can't anyone who is pro vaccine admit the vaccine isn't as effective as originally promised? That right now being unvaccinated I can still get and spread covid but that would remain the same if I was vaccinated.
This is just patently false, or at least disingenuous because you're implying that the risk is the same.
In August, 0.88% of unvaccinated people contracted Covid, while 0.13% of vaccinated people contracted Covid which shows 85% efficacy. People who were unvaccinated were 6.8 times as likely to contract Covid. Even going with the most recent numbers from October of 0.45% and 0.09%, that's still 5 times as likely and 80% efficacy.
Why don't we look at deaths too? In August, 0.018% of unvaccinated people who got Covid died, while only 0.001% of vaccinated people who got Covid died, meaning that your risk of dying was 18 times higher, and funnily enough that shows a 95% efficacy. Most recent numbers? 0.007% and 0.0006%, meaning a 9 times higher risk and an efficacy of 93%.
You can only spread the virus if you actually get sick, so a lower likelihood of getting sick means you're less likely to spread the virus, yeah? Also, you can only spread the virus for about half the time you're sick, yeah? So if you have less severe symptoms, you're less likely to cough to spread it, and if your time that you're sick is cut in half, which is the current trend, then your time that you're contagious is cut in half, yeah?
All of that means that you're far far less likely to spread the virus to other people if you're vaccinated, because you're less likely to contract it, and if you do the milder symptoms and shorter window means you're still less likely to spread the virus.
If you're more likely to spread the virus, that means more people will get infected, meaning the virus is more likely to mutate and create new strains, which will in turn infect more people, right? So you absolutely are killing people by refusing to get vaccinated if you're fully able to be vaccinated, because they have been shown to be extremely safe.
I’ve already had covid and recovered and it was an incredibly mild experience. Some sniffling, a bit of sore throat and lethargy for two weeks, and that was it...
...I have never seen anything pushed harder by the media, and the fact that Pfizer sponsors so many of the news programs gives me serious cause for concern.
My experience was the same except I also lost smell. You and I are extremely lucky. I have had friends who were perfectly healthy and wound up in the hospital on a ventilator. It's a complete crapshoot how you'll react to the virus.
As for the media pushing the vaccine hard, it's because if we don't vaccinate then the virus will mutate and more people will die. That's how Delta and Omicron came about like I mentioned in PMs. Vaccines have been pushed hard in the past, like inoculations for smallpox and the polio vaccine. It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness. This is just the first pandemic of this scale to exist in a society where media is so prevalent.
Anyway we're at a point now where at least the anti-vax crowd can get some pills or infusions or whatever should they end up getting really sick.
I think this is a really bad take, because without being vaccinated they are still more likely to spread it and lead to mutations that could be harder to defend against or could be less survivable. People who can get vaccinated still should.
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why can't anyone who is pro vaccine admit the vaccine isn't as effective as originally promised? That right now being unvaccinated I can still get and spread covid but that would remain the same if I was vaccinated.
In August, 0.88% of unvaccinated people contracted Covid, while 0.13% of vaccinated people contracted Covid which shows 85% efficacy. People who were unvaccinated were 6.8 times as likely to contract Covid. Even going with the most recent numbers from October of 0.45% and 0.09%, that's still 5 times as likely and 80% efficacy.
Why don't we look at deaths too? In August, 0.018% of unvaccinated people who got Covid died, while only 0.001% of vaccinated people who got Covid died, meaning that your risk of dying was 18 times higher, and funnily enough that shows a 95% efficacy. Most recent numbers? 0.007% and 0.0006%, meaning a 9 times higher risk and an efficacy of 93%.
You can only spread the virus if you actually get sick, so a lower likelihood of getting sick means you're less likely to spread the virus, yeah? Also, you can only spread the virus for about half the time you're sick, yeah? So if you have less severe symptoms, you're less likely to cough to spread it, and if your time that you're sick is cut in half, which is the current trend, then your time that you're contagious is cut in half, yeah?
All of that means that you're far far less likely to spread the virus to other people if you're vaccinated, because you're less likely to contract it, and if you do the milder symptoms and shorter window means you're still less likely to spread the virus.
If you're more likely to spread the virus, that means more people will get infected, meaning the virus is more likely to mutate and create new strains, which will in turn infect more people, right? So you absolutely are killing people by refusing to get vaccinated if you're fully able to be vaccinated, because they have been shown to be extremely safe.
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I’ve already had covid and recovered and it was an incredibly mild experience. Some sniffling, a bit of sore throat and lethargy for two weeks, and that was it...
...I have never seen anything pushed harder by the media, and the fact that Pfizer sponsors so many of the news programs gives me serious cause for concern.
As for the media pushing the vaccine hard, it's because if we don't vaccinate then the virus will mutate and more people will die. That's how Delta and Omicron came about like I mentioned in PMs. Vaccines have been pushed hard in the past, like inoculations for smallpox and the polio vaccine. It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness. This is just the first pandemic of this scale to exist in a society where media is so prevalent.
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Anyway we're at a point now where at least the anti-vax crowd can get some pills or infusions or whatever should they end up getting really sick.
I think this is a really bad take, because without being vaccinated they are still more likely to spread it and lead to mutations that could be harder to defend against or could be less survivable. People who can get vaccinated still should.
The risk is not the same and I was not implying that. I am someone who takes covid, social distancing and wearing a mask very seriously. I think a lot of people are behaving carelessly now that there is a vaccine and the only people I know who have gotten covid (in the past few months) are vaccinated people who go out and act as though they are completely immune. I appreciate your response and the numbers breakdown you included. Can you link where you got that information from?
Also the media is pushing the vaccine so hard because they are literally paid by the vaccine companies.
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Can you link some sources for all the numbers in that post? Thanks!
My understanding is that the omicron variant was first discovered in vaccinated individuals.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BWGovernment/status/1463874240130785280
The Presidential COVID-19 Task Force informs the public that four (4) cases of a new COVID-19 variant now known as B.1.1.529, were reported and recorded on Monday 22nd November 2021. The four (4) cases were detected among travellers who tested SARS-COV-2 positive on routine pre travel testing. The variant tests were carried out as part of the routine genomic surveillance of SARS-COV-2 as prescribed in our COVID-19 response plan.
The preliminary report revealed that all four had been fully vaccinated for COVID-19. As part of the continuing investigations into the virus to establish and contain its local transmissions, contact racing has revealed close contacts who are currently awaiting their results and the public will be informed regarding the outcome of the exercise.
You can only spread the virus if you actually get sick
Fauci has said the opposite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU
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The risk is not the same and I was not implying that. I am someone who takes covid, social distancing and wearing a mask very seriously. I think a lot of people are behaving carelessly now that there is a vaccine and the only people I know who have gotten covid (in the past few months) are vaccinated people who go out and act as though they are completely immune. I appreciate your response and the numbers breakdown you included. Can you link where you got that information from?
Also the media is pushing the vaccine so hard because they are literally paid by the vaccine companies.
I apologize for assuming that you were implying that. I'm used to people doing such when saying you can still spread it with the vaccine, because that's true of every vaccine and it's usually meant to be misleading.
I got the information from the CDC (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status) for the hard numbers on vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. I took snapshot figures whereas the CDC seems to have done an average for the month to get their comparisons.
As far as the length of infections, that was from memory, but Influenza (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm) gives a good indication of what typical values for illnesses are, where you tend to be sick for around 2 weeks and contagious for about 1. For info on the increased viral load decline and and thus reduced length of illness, The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext) has a good summary of the data. It also highlights how vaccinated people don't transmit the virus as easily, much like this (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v2.full) study from the UK. Another study (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262701v1) also shows that vaccinated people stop shedding the virus sooner, and the particles shed are less infectious.NYC Health (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/covid/covid-19-post-vaccination-data-082321.pdf) likewise highlights that 96% of cases of Covid have been among unvaccinated people, showing that vaccinated people are still far less likely to transmit the virus, and thus the vaccine has been very effective.
Can you link some sources for all the numbers in that post? Thanks!
My understanding is that the omicron variant was first discovered in vaccinated individuals.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BWGovernment/status/1463874240130785280
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The Presidential COVID-19 Task Force informs the public that four (4) cases of a new COVID-19 variant now known as B.1.1.529, were reported and recorded on Monday 22nd November 2021. The four (4) cases were detected among travellers who tested SARS-COV-2 positive on routine pre travel testing. The variant tests were carried out as part of the routine genomic surveillance of SARS-COV-2 as prescribed in our COVID-19 response plan.
The preliminary report revealed that all four had been fully vaccinated for COVID-19. As part of the continuing investigations into the virus to establish and contain its local transmissions, contact racing has revealed close contacts who are currently awaiting their results and the public will be informed regarding the outcome of the exercise.
Yes, it was discovered in vaccinated people. That does not mean it originated from unvaccinated people. The reason they were able to be infected in the first place is because it was such a different variant. Luckily research is suggesting that the vaccine isn't completely sidestepped by Omicron much like it wasn't by Delta, it just means the vaccine isn't as effective against those strains, and we'll need boosters that target those strains.
To actually mutate to that point though, it needs to be transmitted many times. That's why these variants have cropped up in areas with low vaccination rates, because it's easier for the virus to transmit, and the more times it's transmitted the more opportunities for mutation there are. Those multiple mutations are what creates a new strain.
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You can only spread the virus if you actually get sick
Fauci has said the opposite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU
I apologize, I wasn't clear in my language. When I said "get sick", I meant to say "contract the virus", meaning it has actually infected you, not that you are symptomatic. That's what he's saying in that video. As for the ability to infect other people, as I pointed out above in my response to Jeremy, it's far lower for vaccinated people due to a shorter infection period, lower number of shed particles, and less potent particles.
To try to make it more clear, because I have a habit of not being as clear as I intend, let's say boy A and boy B are both vaccinated and are exposed to the virus. Neither of them show any symptoms, but boy A "gets sick", however boy B does not and the vaccine/antibodies have successfully prevented him from getting infected.
If both of these boys were to get tested for Covid, boy A would return a positive result and boy B would return a negative result even though neither show symptoms. Boy A is what I meant by "gets sick", however as shown in the above links, he would have an even lower chance of transmitting the virus than another vaccinated person who contracted the virus but was symptomatic.
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why can't anyone who is pro vaccine admit the vaccine isn't as effective as originally promised? That right now being unvaccinated I can still get and spread covid but that would remain the same if I was vaccinated.
In August, 0.88% of unvaccinated people contracted Covid, while 0.13% of vaccinated people contracted Covid which shows 85% efficacy. People who were unvaccinated were 6.8 times as likely to contract Covid. Even going with the most recent numbers from October of 0.45% and 0.09%, that's still 5 times as likely and 80% efficacy.
Why don't we look at deaths too? In August, 0.018% of unvaccinated people who got Covid died, while only 0.001% of vaccinated people who got Covid died, meaning that your risk of dying was 18 times higher, and funnily enough that shows a 95% efficacy. Most recent numbers? 0.007% and 0.0006%, meaning a 9 times higher risk and an efficacy of 93%.
You can only spread the virus if you actually get sick, so a lower likelihood of getting sick means you're less likely to spread the virus, yeah? Also, you can only spread the virus for about half the time you're sick, yeah? So if you have less severe symptoms, you're less likely to cough to spread it, and if your time that you're sick is cut in half, which is the current trend, then your time that you're contagious is cut in half, yeah?
All of that means that you're far far less likely to spread the virus to other people if you're vaccinated, because you're less likely to contract it, and if you do the milder symptoms and shorter window means you're still less likely to spread the virus.
If you're more likely to spread the virus, that means more people will get infected, meaning the virus is more likely to mutate and create new strains, which will in turn infect more people, right? So you absolutely are killing people by refusing to get vaccinated if you're fully able to be vaccinated, because they have been shown to be extremely safe.
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I’ve already had covid and recovered and it was an incredibly mild experience. Some sniffling, a bit of sore throat and lethargy for two weeks, and that was it...
...I have never seen anything pushed harder by the media, and the fact that Pfizer sponsors so many of the news programs gives me serious cause for concern.
As for the media pushing the vaccine hard, it's because if we don't vaccinate then the virus will mutate and more people will die. That's how Delta and Omicron came about like I mentioned in PMs. Vaccines have been pushed hard in the past, like inoculations for smallpox and the polio vaccine. It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness. This is just the first pandemic of this scale to exist in a society where media is so prevalent.
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Anyway we're at a point now where at least the anti-vax crowd can get some pills or infusions or whatever should they end up getting really sick.
I think this is a really bad take, because without being vaccinated they are still more likely to spread it and lead to mutations that could be harder to defend against or could be less survivable. People who can get vaccinated still should.
By reading your posts Loki, I can tell you are someone who has spent a lot of time researching the subject. Props to you. Many people want to take a piece of data and cherry pick to suit their agenda (on either side of the coin). You need to spend hours upon hours researching and not just take something you read or seen for what it is.
When it comes to people saying the effectivity of the vaccine is dropping, you have to ask against what? Is it against infection or severe disease and death? These virologist talk about it and why the messaging from the beginning was wrong and which case people like Jeremey tend to think that way. Staring from about 7:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67glg_GYz1Y&t=708s
They would also tell you that we aren't 100% sure vaccinated people can transmit. Most studies are epidemiological which study social behaviors and they have to be taken with a grain of salt. Example is that a husband and wife (both vaxxed) living together and the man gets infected first and then his wife tests positive a few days later. You can't say the husband 100% transmitted it to the woman. They could have gone out together somewhere, got exposed at the same time and the incubation periods for them were different. Real studies need to be done in labs where they haven't been done properly yet.
There was, however, a study out of Singapore of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals who got infected in which they took PCR tests of both of them daily. In vaxxed people the rna loads went down a significantly quicker than unvaxxed. So that in itself should tell us something . There still could be a chance vaxxed people can transmit, but still less then unvaxxed. It is also worth noting that PCR tests check for rna which means it doesn't check to see if the virus is actually active or not.
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So if omicron has only been found in vaccinated so far, how can a claim be made that unvaccinated caused the variant? I don’t understand that.
My reading on Fauci saying that vaccinated have as much virus in their nasopharynx as unvaccinated would support Jeremy’s opinion that both are equally able to spread covid.
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(A lot of nice words, good points, and a good source)
Thanks man, it’s partially due to my being an engineer and having a large part of my work be experimental validation, and even more due to my wife having a PhD in biochemistry. She’s helped me make sense of a lot of this because biology and chemistry have always been areas I’m weak in.
So if omicron has only been found in vaccinated so far, how can a claim be made that unvaccinated caused the variant? I don’t understand that.
You’ve misunderstood, it hasn’t only been found in vaccinated people, that is just the first place it was found. That’s a bit like saying if AIDS was first found in 4 people that had tattoos, that tattoos caused it or only people with tattoos could get it. Omicron existed before those 4 people were infected, and has been found in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people since.
To understand how unvaccinated people led to omicron, I’ll try to briefly explain evolution. I’ll likely get some details slightly wrong, but the overall idea will be there.
Replicating DNA/RNA is hard and is usually not done perfectly. As such, every time that replication happens, so conception/birth of a human, or transmission of a virus, there is potential for the errors in replicating DNA/RNA to cause mutations. The more replications (generations), the more mutations happen. This is how evolution takes place, by the accumulation of these mutations.
Now the shorter the life span of an organism, the more replications take place, the more mutations happen. This is a bit of an oversimplification, but since viruses have a short life, they have a lot of replications compared to humans. They also rely on our cells to reproduce, which makes mutation even more likely, and means they can change that much quicker.
Now the reason this is important is because the more times a virus is transmitted, the more it mutates. This causes variants. With the previous studies I linked to, which I suggest you read, it is clear that transmission of far more likely to happen among unvaccinated people than vaccinated people.
Basically if you took the same virus and introduced it to a population that was vaccinated and a population that was unvaccinated, then came back in a month, the virus among the unvaccinated population would be vastly more mutated than the virus among the vaccinated population because it will have been transmitted many more times. That means that the virus in the vaccinated group would be very close to the original virus, but the one from the unvaccinated group would be different, and would be a variant.
That is how Delta and Omicron formed, by Covid infecting populations that had a very low vaccination rate, so it was transmitted a lot.
My reading on Fauci saying that vaccinated have as much virus in their nasopharynx as unvaccinated would support Jeremy’s opinion that both are equally able to spread covid.
There was one study that showed that the viral loads when first infected were similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, and this is what Fauci was referencing.
However, as the links I posted previously show, the viral load in vaccinated people drops far quicker than it does in unvaccinated people. This means that vaccinated people are infected, and thus contagious, for a far shorter period of time than unvaccinated people. That’s key, because if you see 10 people per day, and your infection lasts for 7 days less than an unvaccinated person, that’s 70 chances to transmit the virus that don’t exist. So that alone means that vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus.
However, the other links also showed that vaccinated people shed fewer infectious particles than unvaccinated people, and the particles they do shed are less infectious.
All of this combines to make the chance of transmission far far lower for vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. This is actually pretty normal for vaccines.
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Thanks Loki, that info on virus replication and mutation is helpful for understanding what’s going on.
I still have some issues with the conclusion that unvaccinated populations are definitively the source of the mutants.
If mutations can occur in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, and vaccinated can spread the virus but are more likely to be asymptomatic, couldn’t we also make an assumption that their behavior would lead them to be less cautious than a unvaccinated individual who is symptomatic, and hence be more likely to spread it despite being contagious for a smaller window of time?
Additionally, it appears that Omicron was circulating in European countries with high vaccination rates before the discovery of this variant in South Africa.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/01/world/coronavirus-newsletter-intl-01-12-21/index.html
Dutch health officials said Tuesday that Omicron was present in the Netherlands a week before two flights arrived from South Africa carrying the virus.
Nine cases of Omicron were linked to a private event on November 20 in Scotland, days before South Africa announced the existence of the variant. First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told Scottish Parliament Tuesday that none of the individuals had a recent travel history or known links to others who had traveled from southern Africa.
My other big question would be about antibody dependent enhancement.
Fauci talked about this last year (3:05-3:48 in the clip).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWAqpPGAxQ&t=185s
Something that I want to make sure the American public understand. It's not only safety when you inject somebody and they get maybe an idiosyncratic reaction, or an allergic reaction, or pain. There's safety associated; does the vaccine make you worse? And there are diseases in which you vaccinate someone, they get infected with what you're trying to protect them with and you actually enhance the infection. You can get a good feel for that in animal models. So that's going to be interspersed at the same time that we're testing. We're going to try to make sure we don't have enhancement. It's the worst possible thing you could do, is vaccinate somebody to prevent infection and actually make them worse.
This also seems to be addressed on the nih website
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/
Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus.
Results of the study
COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.
Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications
The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.
To my layperson understanding, the fact that so many states and countries with very high vaccination rates are also experiencing some of the highest case numbers would line up with antibody dependent enhancement. Anecdotally, I have a number of friends who got covid immediately following their vaccination.
[edit to fix YouTube embed issue, apparently it requires a full “http://www” in the url]
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These virologist talk about it and why the messaging from the beginning was wrong and which case people like Jeremey tend to think that way. Staring from about 7:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67glg_GYz1Y&t=708s
They would also tell you that we aren't 100% sure vaccinated people can transmit.
I just tried watching a bit of these two, and I know we’re not supposed to judge a book by it’s cover, but wow are they unhealthy low energy looking weirdos. Sorry Decreed, if you’re getting good info from them then more power to you, but I found their energy/presentation very difficult to get past.
The virologist’s appearance/delivery plus the opinion that vaccinated can’t spread the virus makes me pretty wary of their info. I was under the impression that the issue of vaccinated individuals being able to spread the virus has become accepted knowledge at this point.
Speaking of sources of info, Loki, I’d like to address this point.
As for the media pushing the vaccine hard, it's because if we don't vaccinate then the virus will mutate and more people will die. That's how Delta and Omicron came about like I mentioned in PMs. Vaccines have been pushed hard in the past, like inoculations for smallpox and the polio vaccine. It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness. This is just the first pandemic of this scale to exist in a society where media is so prevalent.
I appreciate your interpretation that these media outlets are doing this solely for altruistic reasons, but I can’t help but notice that pharmaceutical companies have a MASSIVE financial incentive for profit off of this whole thing. I don’t believe they pay money to all of these tv shows for no reason. It’s like how corporations donate money to politicians. I assume they expect something in return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlL5_kKyLA0
It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness.
Are they the only way? Fauci was talking about treatments in that video from last year, and my understanding is that there was a decent amount of literature available that ivermectin (a ton of studies available here https://ivmmeta.com/) and hydroxychloroquine along with azithromycin was proving effective in the treatment of covid from very early on.
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Just here to give props to those of you having a healthy conversation on such a controversial issue. It gives me hope.
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if big pharma standing to gain is what’s causing
your hesitancy to accept a vaccine
1. why did cuba, under embargo, manufacture their own vaccine
2. do you feel this way about them hiking up the prices for insulin and other lifesaving medications or has your concern only arisen after someone told you to go get a free shot so you don’t transmit covid
“covid isn’t that bad” look at how bad our world got rocked lol it doesn’t matter how sick it makes you when supply chains are grinding to a hault doofus
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Thanks Loki, that info on virus replication and mutation is helpful for understanding what’s going on.
I still have some issues with the conclusion that unvaccinated populations are definitively the source of the mutants.
If mutations can occur in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, and vaccinated can spread the virus but are more likely to be asymptomatic, couldn’t we also make an assumption that their behavior would lead them to be less cautious than a unvaccinated individual who is symptomatic, and hence be more likely to spread it despite being contagious for a smaller window of time?
Additionally, it appears that Omicron was circulating in European countries with high vaccination rates before the discovery of this variant in South Africa.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/01/world/coronavirus-newsletter-intl-01-12-21/index.html
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Dutch health officials said Tuesday that Omicron was present in the Netherlands a week before two flights arrived from South Africa carrying the virus.
Nine cases of Omicron were linked to a private event on November 20 in Scotland, days before South Africa announced the existence of the variant. First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told Scottish Parliament Tuesday that none of the individuals had a recent travel history or known links to others who had traveled from southern Africa.
My other big question would be about antibody dependent enhancement.
Fauci talked about this last year (3:05-3:48 in the clip).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWAqpPGAxQ&t=185s
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Something that I want to make sure the American public understand. It's not only safety when you inject somebody and they get maybe an idiosyncratic reaction, or an allergic reaction, or pain. There's safety associated; does the vaccine make you worse? And there are diseases in which you vaccinate someone, they get infected with what you're trying to protect them with and you actually enhance the infection. You can get a good feel for that in animal models. So that's going to be interspersed at the same time that we're testing. We're going to try to make sure we don't have enhancement. It's the worst possible thing you could do, is vaccinate somebody to prevent infection and actually make them worse.
This also seems to be addressed on the nih website
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/
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Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus.
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COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.
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The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.
To my layperson understanding, the fact that so many states and countries with very high vaccination rates are also experiencing some of the highest case numbers would line up with antibody dependent enhancement. Anecdotally, I have a number of friends who got covid immediately following their vaccination.
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These virologist talk about it and why the messaging from the beginning was wrong and which case people like Jeremey tend to think that way. Staring from about 7:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67glg_GYz1Y&t=708s
They would also tell you that we aren't 100% sure vaccinated people can transmit.
I just tried watching a bit of these two, and I know we’re not supposed to judge a book by it’s cover, but wow are they unhealthy low energy looking weirdos. Sorry Decreed, if you’re getting good info from them then more power to you, but I found their energy/presentation very difficult to get past.
The virologist’s appearance/delivery plus the opinion that vaccinated can’t spread the virus makes me pretty wary of their info. I was under the impression that the issue of vaccinated individuals being able to spread the virus has become accepted knowledge at this point.
Speaking of sources of info, Loki, I’d like to address this point.
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As for the media pushing the vaccine hard, it's because if we don't vaccinate then the virus will mutate and more people will die. That's how Delta and Omicron came about like I mentioned in PMs. Vaccines have been pushed hard in the past, like inoculations for smallpox and the polio vaccine. It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness. This is just the first pandemic of this scale to exist in a society where media is so prevalent.
I appreciate your interpretation that these media outlets are doing this solely for altruistic reasons, but I can’t help but notice that pharmaceutical companies have a MASSIVE financial incentive for profit off of this whole thing. I don’t believe they pay money to all of these tv shows for no reason. It’s like how corporations donate money to politicians. I assume they expect something in return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlL5_kKyLA0
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It's actually a pretty standard response for vaccines to be pushed hard during an epidemic/pandemic because they're the only way to truly deal with the illness.
Are they the only way? Fauci was talking about treatments in that video from last year, and my understanding is that there was a decent amount of literature available that ivermectin (a ton of studies available here https://ivmmeta.com/) and hydroxychloroquine along with azithromycin was proving effective in the treatment of covid from very early on.
T-Funke, I’ll try answering this with headings rather than quoting it all out because it will hopefully be easier to follow.
Mutations
Mutations are small, if they happen at all. This is why we can’t really observe evolution in anything other than viruses and single celled organisms, because the timeline for noticeable evolution is too long.
Take chickens for example. The classic question, “which came first, the chicken or the egg” actually kind of has an answer. The egg did, as long as you specify that this specific DNA sequence defines a chicken, then nothing before that would truly be a chicken.
But it’s not that simple actually. There is no real delineation between when the animal stopped being a Red Jungle Fowl and started being a Chicken. It’s more of a spectrum over a very long period of time, and the animal that produced the animal with the DNA sequence you would define as “Chicken” would be virtually identical to the Chicken in every way, and you would have to look at the DNA to tell them apart.
The reason I bring this up is important. Variants don’t appear after a single person is infected. Let’s put an arbitrary number on it. Let’s say it takes 1000 infections for Covid to accumulate enough mutations to become the Omicron variant. That means there needs to be a chain of 1000 people infecting each other in a line for the variant to appear. This is how variants appear and is well documented and understood, and it’s known that it’s not possible for a variant to appear after just a few replications.
As (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status) I have (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext) previously illustrated (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v2.full), vaccinated people (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262701v1) are far (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/covid/covid-19-post-vaccination-data-082321.pdf) less likely to contract the virus, which means that the rate of transmission is already greatly decreased because there are few people to spread it, but that even if they do contract it, they are contagious for a far shorter period of time, and they are less contagious than unvaccinated people. This means it will take a lot longer to reach those 1000 people, if it even does reach 1000 people, and thus will take longer and be much less likely to produce a variant, or may not even produce a variant at all if that lineage is successfully broken.
This doesn't show that the Omicron variant definitively came from unvaccinated people, but it does show the odds are astronomically against the variant having come from a vaccinated population.
Also, just for posterity, I will state again that the 1000 people I chose was just to illustrate the point. I don't know how many different people it would actually take other than it being at least hundreds and could be as high as tens of thousands. I was just seeking to make the concept less abstract and thus easier to understand.
Risk Taking
It's hard to say that vaccinated people will inherently take more risks than unvaccinated people. I am vaccinated and I still wear a mask and limit my interactions, and most other people I know personally who are vaccinated are the same.
Conversely, I know a lot of unvaccinated people who aren't as careful and don't take as many precautions. I have also seen the inverse of both of these.
Now what we can do is take two people and look at the probability of spreading the virus. I'll refer to them as A and B again, and assume the other people near them are not wearing masks.
Person A (https://www.microcovid.org/?distance=normal&duration=60&interaction=oneTime&personCount=10&riskProfile=average&scenarioName=60minShopping&setting=indoor&subLocation=US_36061&theirMask=none&topLocation=US_36&voice=normal&yourMask=none&yourVaccineDoses=2&yourVaccineType=moderna) is fully vaccinated and decides they don't need to wear a mask and that they can be around a decent number of people without issue. They decide to socialize in a group with 10 other people. Given this situation, their risk factor is 3.6.
Person B (https://www.microcovid.org/?distance=normal&duration=60&interaction=oneTime&personCount=3&riskProfile=average&scenarioName=60minShopping&setting=indoor&subLocation=US_36061&theirMask=none&topLocation=US_36&voice=normal&yourMask=thin&yourVaccineDoses=2) on the other hand decides to wear a mask and meet with fewer people, say 3 people that aren't wearing masks. Their risk factor is 6.5, which is still 81% higher than the vaccinated risk.
Even if vaccinated people do take more risks, they are still less likely to spread the virus.
Omicron found in Europe
The first four people found with Omicron, like I said before, are not necessarily the first 4 to have contracted it. Like I had stated before, there's not a clear delineation where the original Covid stops and Omicron begins. Omicron, as we discovered it, in all likelihood probably existed for around a month, and it's very possible for it to spread to Europe from other people, who would then infect other people, etc.
The likeliest origin of Omicron is the location with the greatest density of cases, which is South Africa (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/29/omicron-is-starting-to-spread-around-the-world); of note is that the UK is the next most dense, and there is a lot of travel that happens between these two countries as SA used to be a British colony. South Africa also has a vaccination rate of 24% (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-59503517), much like how India, which was the origin of the Delta variant, had only about 12% (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=IND) fully vaccinated at the time Delta was found.
This is like trying to say that because AIDS was discovered in LA, that it must have originated from LA, or at least the US, when all signs point to that not being the case.
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
That video of Fauci is, as you said, from last year. He was explaining how and why we needed to go through the clinical trials. Antibody-Dependent Enhancement is extremely, extremely rare, and Phase III trials are specifically designed to uncover this issue, and if it is found, it is removed from use. (https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines) Also, there's no way that this is the case with the Covid vaccines as all of the studies show you are better protected and extremely unlikely to spread the virus. If the vaccine caused ADE, vaccinated people would have worse symptoms and higher death rates. There is no evidence to support any claim that Covid vaccines cause ADE (https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/ade).
Your Understanding
Your understanding is wrong, and based on false data. Countries with high vaccination rates are not experiencing higher instances of infection. Some of the countries have higher overall numbers, but they are also more populous.
DeCreed Bratton's Video
The virologist spoke in absolutes which wasn't wise, but is pretty common when speaking to laymen.
Literally every single vaccine in history has never been 100% effective. There has always been a chance to transmit the disease if you are vaccinated. However, that chance is severely reduced and has been shown time and again; just look at Polio. There was still a slight chance you could transmit Polio to someone unvaccinated, but the likelihood was astronomically low. If you compare that to no vaccine, where you are almost certainly going to spread it, the benefit should be clear.
Big Pharma
I will admit that pharmaceutical companies profiting off of this pandemic is disgusting. However, your argument that they're only pushing to have everyone vaccinated so that they can maximize their profits falls apart when you look at countries that can't afford to buy their vaccines at the market price, so they have provided them at cost or have donated them. The main reason they are being pushed as hard as they are is so that we can prevent the spread, and thus variants, and return to a sense of normalcy so fewer people die.
Is this the only way?
No. We could let the virus run its course and cull the population until there aren't enough people to transmit it and have it mutate effectively, thus stopping its propagation. That's what happened with the black death. Most people find this to be a rather poor solution though.
The only way to stop a disease is severely limit its transmission. The only way to limit its transmission is to vaccinate. That's why literally every epidemic/pandemic we've had has either wiped out vast swaths of people, or have only been stopped when around 80% or more of people have been vaccinated.
Summary
It looks like you're looking for reasons to support vaccine hesitancy and ignoring the vast amount of data showing that the vaccines work and are safe. The fact that you went back to statements Fauci made before any vaccine was even approved makes me think that you're trying to support your conclusion that they aren't safe/necessary rather than letting the data inform your conclusion.
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Hey @Loki700, thank you for the great posts! Don't worry. This guy's goal is to eventually come up with a question that is so absurd that you can't answer it, so that he can strike a pose and anounce that this is proof that you are incompetent and everything you posted is wrong. Which of course would imply in return that he is right. Buuut of course he's only asking questions... and that can never be false or malign.
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T-Funke, I’ll try answering this with headings rather than quoting it all out because it will hopefully be easier to follow.
Appreciate it, I’ll do the same.
Mutations
Thank you for conceding that the variant did not definitively originate from unvaccinated populations. Words like "extremely likely" have been used and definitive statements have been made about the origins of variants, but without conclusive proof this remains an assumption.
Risk Taking
Again, "less likely" but not definitively.
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
If statements made last year are going to be impugned, I will point out the substack article used to support your argument is from January when the vaccines weren't even around.
Your Understanding
High, not higher. This is either a misreading or straw man.
Big Pharma
I never used the word "only." Again, either a misreading or straw man. If you think that manufacturers sponsoring shows doesn’t have an impact on how their products are covered I don't know what to tell you.
Is this the only way?
You're going to compare a disease that had a mortality rate of 50-75% with one that has 4% at most? I don't think that works. Also no consideration for targeted treatment and risk mitigation for populations that are most vulnerable with therapeutics that have been proven to diminish symptoms? Vaccines are the only form of mitigation? Additionally at this point it appears that covid will in fact become endemic.
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damn breh wtf you want lol
vaccine better than no vaccine its not rocket science
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I was looking for more info, a better understanding, and a robust conversation. Loki and I had exchanged some PMs about the Rittenhouse trial and his responses were considered, detailed and civil and I assumed he’d be able to do the same on this topic. And he totally did. So, no tuesday, I was not trying to come up with an absurd unanswerable question. The majority of people that I’ve spoken to seem to parrot back media talking points and I wanted to hear from someone who was clearly knowledgeable.
I am admittedly hesitant af on this thing and remain so. I have an inherent distrust of the government, media and big pharma, and I think summarily dismissing the vaers information is foolish. But that’s my opinion, and we’re all entitled to one.
It seems clear there’s not much to be gained from continuing this conversation, so shalom to everyone and stay safe 🤙
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No such thing as 'definitively' in science, Tobias. I understand being wary but if you're going to brush aside overwhelming likelihood because it's not 'definitive', you're not being reasonable.
Looks like we're headed for actual mandates over here. Austria considering 7200 euro fines.
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Mutations
I mean if you really want to split hairs like this, then sure. If I drop a ball, it won't "definitively" drop to the ground, but it's "extremely likely". Nothing can be proven definitively, but we've shown as close to definitively as possible that Delta originated from unvaccinated populations in India, and as definitively as possible that Omicron originated from unvaccinated populations in South Africa. If you're unwilling to accept that then it's essentially the same thought process as a conspiracy theorist, where no amount of data is ever enough to convince them.
Risk Taking
Again, as close to definitively as possible. All of the data shows this is the case. If an unvaccinated person has a 17.5% chance of spreading the virus and a vaccinated person has a 3% chance, that is also "less likely", but focusing on that wording and not the fact that the chance is astronomically smaller is a bad faith argument. Funnily enough, both people not wearing masks and around 10 people not wearing masks? The unvaccinated person is 5.8 times as likely (21 vs 3.6 risk factor) to spread the virus, which matches those percentages exactly.
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
It's more so that you're taking it out of context and to mean that it would definitely cause ADE, or was very likely to. He was saying that we have to check to make sure that's not the case, like we do with every new vaccine.
The vaccines actually had completed their phase 3 trials in December, so it was already known by January 25th that they didn't cause ADE.
Your Understanding
You said that they "are also experiencing some of the highest case numbers" which isn't true. I said "higher" because your implication was that the rates were higher than unvaccinated countries, which simply isn't true.
Big Pharma
You said "I don’t believe they pay money to all of these tv shows for no reason...I assume they expect something in return."
The implication from that is pretty clear; the pharmaceutical companies are sponsoring the media so that they will endorse their vaccine, and the reason pharmaceutical companies are doing this is to make more money. Period.
They are also doing it to increase the vaccination rates, and have done so in countries they aren't making any money. What are they "getting in return" from this?
Is this the only way?
Now this, this is a straw man. I never said they were comparable, I used the Black Death as an example because it is the most widely known pandemic before vaccination existed.
What I did say was that viruses like this cull the population until it reaches a point that it can't mutate and thus propagate anymore. For the black death, that number was gigantic. It would of course be smaller for Covid. But is it acceptable for millions of people to die when their deaths could have been prevented by vaccination simply because it's smaller than billions?
Diminishing symptoms won't stop the spread of the actual disease. They help alleviate the suffering and improve the survival rate, but the virus will still be transmitted then. As I have gone over, this leads to mutations, which makes it harder to fight and more dangerous, which leads to more death that is preventable because people don't want to admit that the data shows that vaccines are extremely safe.
Also, Covid has already spread to every single continent. In what way will it "become endemic"? Where are you getting that from?
Unless you mean that it's going to be a persistent thing, in which case, I would agree, which makes vaccines all the more important. Without vaccinations, even more people would die every year. If you truly find that acceptable, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Like you, I distrust the government and I don't believe that pharmaceutical companies want what's best for me. However science doesn't have an agenda. The scientific method is proven and extremely robust. There are still systemic issues within the scientific community where people are mistreated, but it gives us an accurate model for the world around us and helps us make sense of how things work. The science overwhelmingly shows that vaccines are safe and are the only effective way to truly stop an epidemic/pandemic, because without them there's nothing stopping the virus from propagating.
I also think it's worth pointing out that from a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense for pharmaceutical companies to push vaccines as a way to make money. They aren't and have never been a big money maker for these companies. The big money makers are the maintenance medications that people have to take. To give you an idea, just one of the medications that I have to take daily? If all of the people with the same condition in the US took this medication, that's $4.7 billion per year for them. That's just one medication! Granted not every single person like me takes the medication, but that is where the true money is.
It is in the pharmaceutical companies' best interest to keep as many people alive as possible so they can continue to make that sweet sweet maintenance medication money. That's the reason I think they are trying to push the vaccine, not for altruistic reasons, but because it helps their bottom line. That's why they took the gamble of trying to develop a vaccine and get it approved, because if it didn't show it was effective, or worse, actively hurt people, they would lose out on the millions spent developing the vaccine. Sure some of the people involved probably want to help people, but keeping us alive is just in their best interest.
Anyway, I truly hope you reconsider and get the vaccine. It really is the only way to stop the virus, and also the only way to protect the immunocompromised people who can't get the vaccine and are even more at risk if they contract the virus. I can't make you do it, and all I can do is clarify things for you and explain them, because they aren't always clear and often lead to misconceptions.
I'll also admit that I've gotten frustrated at times during this back and forth, and probably was civil than I should have been, and for that I truly apologize.
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Sorry t funk, I was on one earlier
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I appreciate the discussion here, and the mutual respect back and forth. So weird to see online, but refreshing.
Loki, thanks for writing all that and making it comprehendible for a layman. Helps me understand so much more about the topic.
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I appreciate the discussion here, and the mutual respect back and forth. So weird to see online, but refreshing.
Loki, thanks for writing all that and making it comprehendible for a layman. Helps me understand so much more about the topic.
Sure thing, I’m glad I was able to make it understandable. Sometimes I tend to struggle with that.
Got my booster yesterday. Got Moderna the first time around, got Pfizer this time because my wife found some data suggesting that if you get the other vaccine as a booster you get a bit more protection and are a bit less likely to spread it.
I also got the HPV vaccine, which they extended the age for. They recommended against it if you were over 18 last time I heard about it, but they now recommend it for up to 45 years I think? Anyway, if you haven’t gotten it already I’d recommend it.
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“I don’t trust the government, we need to take the vaers data seriously. The data compiled by the government and reported on a government website.”
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I appreciate the discussion here, and the mutual respect back and forth. So weird to see online, but refreshing.
Loki, thanks for writing all that and making it comprehendible for a layman. Helps me understand so much more about the topic.
Got my booster yesterday. Got Moderna the first time around, got Pfizer this time because my wife found some data suggesting that if you get the other vaccine as a booster you get a bit more protection and are a bit less likely to spread it.
I also got the HPV vaccine, which they extended the age for. They recommended against it if you were over 18 last time I heard about it, but they now recommend it for up to 45 years I think? Anyway, if you haven’t gotten it already I’d recommend it.
Can you say more about why you recommend the HPV vaccine? My partner has gotten the HPV shot and I'm not with anyone else. Thanks!
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I appreciate the discussion here, and the mutual respect back and forth. So weird to see online, but refreshing.
Loki, thanks for writing all that and making it comprehendible for a layman. Helps me understand so much more about the topic.
Got my booster yesterday. Got Moderna the first time around, got Pfizer this time because my wife found some data suggesting that if you get the other vaccine as a booster you get a bit more protection and are a bit less likely to spread it.
I also got the HPV vaccine, which they extended the age for. They recommended against it if you were over 18 last time I heard about it, but they now recommend it for up to 45 years I think? Anyway, if you haven’t gotten it already I’d recommend it.
Can you say more about why you recommend the HPV vaccine? My partner has gotten the HPV shot and I'm not with anyone else. Thanks!
Mainly just additional protection more than anything, for her and you because it can affect men from what I understand. I don’t know a ton on the topic, but I was recommended to get it even though me and my wife are monogamous.
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I appreciate the discussion here, and the mutual respect back and forth. So weird to see online, but refreshing.
Loki, thanks for writing all that and making it comprehendible for a layman. Helps me understand so much more about the topic.
Got my booster yesterday. Got Moderna the first time around, got Pfizer this time because my wife found some data suggesting that if you get the other vaccine as a booster you get a bit more protection and are a bit less likely to spread it.
I also got the HPV vaccine, which they extended the age for. They recommended against it if you were over 18 last time I heard about it, but they now recommend it for up to 45 years I think? Anyway, if you haven’t gotten it already I’d recommend it.
Can you say more about why you recommend the HPV vaccine? My partner has gotten the HPV shot and I'm not with anyone else. Thanks!
right on. I'm not sure how HPV can be transmitted outside sexual intimacy.
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I appreciate the discussion here, and the mutual respect back and forth. So weird to see online, but refreshing.
Loki, thanks for writing all that and making it comprehendible for a layman. Helps me understand so much more about the topic.
Got my booster yesterday. Got Moderna the first time around, got Pfizer this time because my wife found some data suggesting that if you get the other vaccine as a booster you get a bit more protection and are a bit less likely to spread it.
I also got the HPV vaccine, which they extended the age for. They recommended against it if you were over 18 last time I heard about it, but they now recommend it for up to 45 years I think? Anyway, if you haven’t gotten it already I’d recommend it.
Can you say more about why you recommend the HPV vaccine? My partner has gotten the HPV shot and I'm not with anyone else. Thanks!
right on. I'm not sure how HPV can be transmitted outside sexual intimacy.
That is the main way, but standard disinfectants don’t work on the virus (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4019329/), and so even though it’s rare, it could potentially spread through inanimate objects. It also isn’t just cervical cancer it increases the risk of, that’s just the one that is raised the most.
I guess most people wind up contracting the virus at some point in their lives? Getting the vaccine later in life isn’t as effective as if you got it before any sexual contact, but it’s still not a bad idea.
Also there’s always a chance that a monogamous couple could slip a bit, and I figure it’s better to be protected.
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Got my booster and the flu shot today. Can't wait to see what happens
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Hey Loki, how important is the Booster? Like say what's the % chance of contracting/spreading covid comparing an unvaxed/already had it/vaxed/boosted? I got my moderna in February. From what I understand the vaccine had like 5% chance of breakthrough, and after 8 months its like 6% or 7% chance (or in scarier terms, 37% more likely). If what I said is accurate, the zeal with which people are pushing the booster does not seem warranted. I don't know shit about virology and I am opposed to learning about it, but those stats are easy for anyone to understand. Am I way off?
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Hey Loki, how important is the Booster? Like say what's the % chance of contracting/spreading covid comparing an unvaxed/already had it/vaxed/boosted? I got my moderna in February. From what I understand the vaccine had like 5% chance of breakthrough, and after 8 months its like 6% or 7% chance (or in scarier terms, 37% more likely). If what I said is accurate, the zeal with which people are pushing the booster does not seem warranted. I don't know shit about virology and I am opposed to learning about it, but those stats are easy for anyone to understand. Am I way off?
We're getting into territory that my knowledge is a bit lacking and I'd be harder pressed to tell you the percent chance, but from what I've been able to find the booster is definitely warranted. With the new variants and the decrease in antibodies, the efficacy of the vaccine 5-8 months after getting your second dose is significantly lower.
Basically, at 14-60 days following the second dose, the efficacy of the vaccine was 95%. 151-180 days (5.5-6.5 months) after the second dose, the efficacy was found to have dropped to about 79%. (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620)
Another study (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext) showed that efficacy dropped from 88% to 47% after 5 months. It also found that overall the efficacy was a bit lower for Delta both right after the 2nd dose and 5 months after; basically it was around a 4% difference for a freshly vaccinated person compared to a 14% difference at 5 months, meaning you're even more exposed to Delta and probably Omicron (it wasn't included in the study due to the recent discovery) with greater time.
To cap this all off, in Israel (https://www.fda.gov/media/153086/download) they saw a rise from about 1% positive tests in the middle of July to 7.5% at the beginning of September, when they started boosters. Following the booster shots, the percentage dropped back to 2.6% at the beginning of October.
What's important to note about Israel, is that the percentage is all tests, not just vaccinated people. The unvaccinated population benefitted from the boosters as well, due to the herd immunity. Starting from the point of the new boosters, the vaccinated group's new severe cases per day dropped right away, while the unvaccinated group plateaued for a little under a month, then their cases fell as well, much more quickly due to the fewer instances of people with the virus thanks to the vaccinated group not being able to spread it.
This shows that not only does the vaccine work, but that you need to have a large majority (Israel is at 80% of the population being vaccinated) vaccinated to actually see the benefits, and it really is the only way to stop the disease for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Anything else is an insufficient band aid.
TL:DR - Get the booster, it's worth it. Your protection drops enough against Covid, and even more against Delta after 5-6 months, and the booster brings you up to where you were or better.
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Hey Loki, how important is the Booster? Like say what's the % chance of contracting/spreading covid comparing an unvaxed/already had it/vaxed/boosted? I got my moderna in February. From what I understand the vaccine had like 5% chance of breakthrough, and after 8 months its like 6% or 7% chance (or in scarier terms, 37% more likely). If what I said is accurate, the zeal with which people are pushing the booster does not seem warranted. I don't know shit about virology and I am opposed to learning about it, but those stats are easy for anyone to understand. Am I way off?
Basically, at 14-60 days following the second dose, the efficacy of the vaccine was 95%. 151-180 days (5.5-6.5 months) after the second dose, the efficacy was found to have dropped to about 79%. (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620)
Another study (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext) showed that efficacy dropped from 88% to 47% after 5 months. It also found that overall the efficacy was a bit lower for Delta both right after the 2nd dose and 5 months after; basically it was around a 4% difference for a freshly vaccinated person compared to a 14% difference at 5 months, meaning you're even more exposed to Delta and probably Omicron (it wasn't included in the study due to the recent discovery) with greater time.
To cap this all off, in Israel (https://www.fda.gov/media/153086/download) they saw a rise from about 1% positive tests in the middle of July to 7.5% at the beginning of September, when they started boosters. Following the booster shots, the percentage dropped back to 2.6% at the beginning of October.
What's important to note about Israel, is that the percentage is all tests, not just vaccinated people. The unvaccinated population benefitted from the boosters as well, due to the herd immunity. Starting from the point of the new boosters, the vaccinated group's new severe cases per day dropped right away, while the unvaccinated group plateaued for a little under a month, then their cases fell as well, much more quickly due to the fewer instances of people with the virus thanks to the vaccinated group not being able to spread it.
This shows that not only does the vaccine work, but that you need to have a large majority (Israel is at 80% of the population being vaccinated) vaccinated to actually see the benefits, and it really is the only way to stop the disease for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Anything else is an insufficient band aid.
TL:DR - Get the booster, it's worth it. Your protection drops enough against Covid, and even more against Delta after 5-6 months, and the booster brings you up to where you were or better.
thanks G, those numbers were different than the ones I had previously read, but I was so unwilling to go wading in the shit soup of misinformation myself, so I truly thank you for doing the leg work for me, and now the only thing that's holding me back from getting it is laziness. just playin i think im gonna sign up to get it monday so i dont feel shitty thorughout the weekend
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Let it be known that my last account was banned for posting an opinion in here that differs from that of the moderator.
I did not say one thing that goes against the user agreement, and was labeled an “antivaxxer” without saying anything remotely “antivaxx.”
Good luck to all of you and remember that there is nothing wrong with listening to both sides of an argument.
Edit: I do not mind in the slightest if anyone chooses to get a COVID shot, therefore I am not “antivaxx.”
I just believe that we are all entitled to our own opinions, but if the moderators want to quell those whos’ differ from theirs, then that is a serious issue.
HERE YE HERE YE.
nobody gives a fuck until your opinions can kill someone
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Let it be known that my last account was banned for posting an opinion in here that differs from that of the moderator.
I did not say one thing that goes against the user agreement, and was labeled an “antivaxxer” without saying anything remotely “antivaxx.”
Good luck to all of you and remember that there is nothing wrong with listening to both sides of an argument.
Edit: I do not mind in the slightest if anyone chooses to get a COVID shot, therefore I am not “antivaxx.”
I just believe that we are all entitled to our own opinions, but if the moderators want to quell those whos’ differ from theirs, then that is a serious issue.
HERE YE HERE YE.
nobody gives a fuck until your opinions can kill someone
You’ve really been kept in the dark about vaccine injuries, huh?
https://openvaers.com/covid-data
And mods, the data on this site is straight from the CDC’s VAERS reporting system — this is not false information, although media outlets funded by Pfizer will sweep it under the rug, smearing the reporting system. Again, I’m just stating facts, and not breaking any rules in my user agreement. :)
HERE YE HERE YE
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE USER AGREEMENT NOR DO THEY ABOUT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF ANYTHING TO DO WITH A DEADLY PANDEMIC RESPONSE
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did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
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i am simply dumbfounded by the stupidity of humans at this point. they should come up with a word for that.
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a rare proud moment for my country in this epidemic (we've had a very strong anti-vaxx movement emerge, very disappointing)
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/rbzh7c/leading_slovenian_covid_consultant_and_a_doctor/
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i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related.
Typically when a young, presumably healthy athlete drops dead like that, it's as a result of undiagnosed hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.
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did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
youre just tryin to get us to post our balls, not fallin for that one
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did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
youre just tryin to get us to post our balls, not fallin for that one (AGAIN)
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My balls stay swollen. Lack of use.
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did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
youre just tryin to get us to post our balls, not fallin for that one (AGAIN)
Not my balls but my dick grew 3 inches longer and fatter. Which SUCKS 'cause now I have a 15 inch dick
Ain't no body got time for that
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did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
youre just tryin to get us to post our balls, not fallin for that one (AGAIN)
Not my balls but my dick grew 3 inches longer and fatter. Which SUCKS 'cause now I have a 15 inch dick
Ain't no body got time for that
We talking balls here..gtfo with that dick talk you perv.
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i love vaccines, dude.
not having covid rules.
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did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
Post your balls and I'll give you a fully flared link
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i love vaccines, dude.
not having covid rules.
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thanks G, those numbers were different than the ones I had previously read, but I was so unwilling to go wading in the shit soup of misinformation myself, so I truly thank you for doing the leg work for me, and now the only thing that's holding me back from getting it is laziness. just playin i think im gonna sign up to get it monday so i dont feel shitty thorughout the weekend
Hell yeah man, happy to hear it. I've also heard that you're not fully vaccinated until you post a picture of your balls on Slap. It can be before or after the shot....
did anyone hear about enlarged balls like nikki's cousin's bf? has anyone had any/heard of any harsh reactions? i've read about myocarditis and seen some soccer plays drop dead but the latter isn't proven to be shot related. i see a lot of 'sore arm, slightly sick for a day' reactions but did anyone or anyone you're buddies w/ have harsher reactions? sorry if i'm overstepping the rules by asking, seems like men have been blocked for less. would highspeed slap allow someone to post their harsh reactions if true or would that be grounds for block?
People weren't banned/blocked for asking questions. They were banned for spreading disinformation and making false claims about the vaccine. If someone had an adverse reaction and posted it here, with proof to back up that they aren't just lying to support the anti-vaxxer stance I'm sure they wouldn't have it removed, unless they tried to say it was way more prevalent than it actually is.
Adverse effects are extremely rare; they're far far more rare than adverse effects from catching Covid, and they also happen to be less severe than the adverse effects of Covid.
Most people who are "asking questions" are doing so in bad faith.
(https://i.imgur.com/wHvoh1B.jpeg)
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
Since we are getting anecdotal, I'm curious if the guy was vaccinated? Curious about vaccines efficacy in slowing spread from those who may be both vaccinated and infected.
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
Since we are getting anecdotal, I'm curious if the guy was vaccinated? Curious about vaccines efficacy in slowing spread from those who may be both vaccinated and infected.
There was a few studies about that. I saw one out of Singapore that tested the viral loads of both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals who were PCR positive. They tested them daily and found out that the viral loads dropped a lot quicker in vaccinated people then unvaccinated.
There were also studies in unvaccinated people that show that some have huge viral loads compared to others. There are people who are super spreaders for some unknown reason and will infect many people. Other people shed very little virus which isn't enough to infect someone else.
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
Since we are getting anecdotal, I'm curious if the guy was vaccinated? Curious about vaccines efficacy in slowing spread from those who may be both vaccinated and infected.
There were also studies in unvaccinated people that show that some have huge viral loads compared to others. There are people who are super spreaders for some unknown reason and will infect many people. Other people shed very little virus which isn't enough to infect someone else.
I've read similar studies, and remain mostly curious because my partner and I caught Covid and got really sick despite being fully vaccinated, but no one that we had been in close contact with before realizing we were sick caught anything.
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“I don’t trust the government, we need to take the vaers data seriously. The data compiled by the government and reported on a government website.”
I’ll take this as a positive step forward that I was not given a classic Bunk “shut your bitch ass up.”
But Bunk, are you implying that you accept the vaers numbers as valid?
I’ll clarify and say that I don’t trust what the government says and does, but I am inclined to consider the info from a reporting system they’ve set up for health professionals and individuals to report adverse events.
On the subject of the PCR test, according to its creator Kary Mullis, it was never meant to be a diagnostic tool.
https://www.brandnewtube.com/watch/pcr-test-inventor-kary-mullis-explains-why-it-is-not-a-diagnostic-tool_7jIyJEuwubWwYHr.html
The New York Times has reported on why and how the results can be skewed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.amp.html
The PCR test amplifies genetic matter from the virus in cycles; the fewer cycles required, the greater the amount of virus, or viral load, in the sample. The greater the viral load, the more likely the patient is to be contagious.
This number of amplification cycles needed to find the virus, called the cycle threshold, is never included in the results sent to doctors and coronavirus patients, although it could tell them how infectious the patients are.
In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found...
One solution would be to adjust the cycle threshold used now to decide that a patient is infected. Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.
Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.
Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.
Fauci himself is aware of this. He speaks to this at 4:22 into this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE
If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more, the chances of it being replication competent are minuscule. You almost never can cultivate virus from a 37 cycle threshold. So if someone does come in with a 37, 38, even 36, you’ve gotta say it’s just dead nucleotides
Also, Decreed, I get the hypocrisy that I’m posting a video from your trusted covid source of info now to make a point after formerly shit talking them. In this case dude is asking Fauci some good questions and I give him props for broaching this topic so early into the pandemic.
The overall point is that the pcr tests are prone to false positives and that by not mandating a cycle threshold that was more likely to give accurate results there was an over abundance of false positives being reported.
I do have follow ups to Loki, but I did say I wasn’t going to continue that conversation on here so it’s in the PMs and I’ll spare you guys.
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“I don’t trust the government, we need to take the vaers data seriously. The data compiled by the government and reported on a government website.”
I’ll take this as a positive step forward that I was not given a classic Bunk “shut your bitch ass up.”
But Bunk, are you implying that you accept the vaers numbers as valid?
I’ll clarify and say that I don’t trust what the government says and does, but I am inclined to consider the info from a reporting system they’ve set up for health professionals and individuals to report adverse events.
On the subject of the PCR test, according to its creator Kary Mullis, it was never meant to be a diagnostic tool.
https://www.brandnewtube.com/watch/pcr-test-inventor-kary-mullis-explains-why-it-is-not-a-diagnostic-tool_7jIyJEuwubWwYHr.html
The New York Times has reported on why and how the results can be skewed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.amp.html
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The PCR test amplifies genetic matter from the virus in cycles; the fewer cycles required, the greater the amount of virus, or viral load, in the sample. The greater the viral load, the more likely the patient is to be contagious.
This number of amplification cycles needed to find the virus, called the cycle threshold, is never included in the results sent to doctors and coronavirus patients, although it could tell them how infectious the patients are.
In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found...
One solution would be to adjust the cycle threshold used now to decide that a patient is infected. Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.
Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.
Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.
Fauci himself is aware of this. He speaks to this at 4:22 into this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Vy6fgaBPE
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If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more, the chances of it being replication competent are minuscule. You almost never can cultivate virus from a 37 cycle threshold. So if someone does come in with a 37, 38, even 36, you’ve gotta say it’s just dead nucleotides
Also, Decreed, I get the hypocrisy that I’m posting a video from your trusted covid source of info now to make a point after formerly shit talking them. In this case dude is asking Fauci some good questions and I give him props for broaching this topic so early into the pandemic.
The overall point is that the pcr tests are prone to false positives and that by not mandating a cycle threshold that was more likely to give accurate results there was an over abundance of false positives being reported.
I do have follow ups to Loki, but I did say I wasn’t going to continue that conversation on here so it’s in the PMs and I’ll spare you guys.
It's all good and I encourage you to watch more of the recent Twiv podcasts where he and his fellow scientists break down pre-printed and peer reviewed papers. I first found Vincent on the Lex Fridman podcast. You can think whatever you want of Fridman, but listening to Vincent, I knew he knows what he's talking about. He's been studying and teaching virology at Columbia University for 40 years.
What they and you are saying is absolutely correct. PCR tests can be too sensitive and if you test positive at a high threshold of 35, it's more than likely you aren't producing enough infectious virus to infect someone else and this is in part skewing the number of cases. He's always been one saying antigen tests are far better.
There is also a difference between someone who is infected opposed to someone who only has been exposed. To be infected you need the virus to reproduce inside of you. With exposure you could have been talking to someone, got some virus in your nasopharynx and it didn't reproduce. Yet you could still test positive on a PCR test. I think this happens and there are people who were asymptomatic thinking they got Covid which they actually didn't.
So yeah they do think that these positive cases shouldn't be counted and we should be looking more at hospitalization and deaths. Also this goes back to the point where people get it wrong saying the vaccines don't work because they don't understand how the vaccines work in the first place. It's main purpose is to prevent serious disease and death and not only infection. They say we don't test for everyone who got infected with Polio, only the ones who have paralysis.
I think you might find they agree with you on some things. They understand and don't necessarily like Big Pharma, Amy in particular doesn't agree with Fauci or other doctors or scientists at times. They don't like how mainstrem media are portraying everything, cherry picking information or going to wrong sources. Yet they agree on one thing, that people should without a doubt get vaccinated.
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Hey Loki, how important is the Booster? Like say what's the % chance of contracting/spreading covid comparing an unvaxed/already had it/vaxed/boosted? I got my moderna in February. From what I understand the vaccine had like 5% chance of breakthrough, and after 8 months its like 6% or 7% chance (or in scarier terms, 37% more likely). If what I said is accurate, the zeal with which people are pushing the booster does not seem warranted. I don't know shit about virology and I am opposed to learning about it, but those stats are easy for anyone to understand. Am I way off?
Coming to a skateboard forum for answers about a global pandemic should be everyone’s main priority.
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I finally caught up with everything posted in the vax thread and thank you for the apology on there. I thought some of what you said was kinda harsh, but didn’t take offense to it. You clearly care enough to take the time to cite info for your opinions and for that I thank you.
Since I said I wouldn’t continue the conversation on the thread I’ll hold true to that and send this to you on here.
I'm going to only continue the conversation in the thread, because there's really no reason to not continue it in the thread. I've cooled down by now, and while I'm doubting I can change your mind, I am hoping that a lurker who was on the fence reads all of the information I've put forward and decides to get the vaccine. I literally have nothing to gain by continuing to have this conversation in pms, nor do I see the point.
Pfizer expects to make 65 billion dollars for 2021 and 2022 from the vaccine. That’s a lot! https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-raises-covid-19-vaccine-sales-forecast-36-billion-2021-11-02/
The fact that Scott Gottlieb is on their board of directors after just working as the fda commissioner is fucking scary to me. Are you familiar with the term “regulatory capture”?
That is indeed a lot, and as I have said I think it's gross that they're using this as a means to make such an ungodly amount of money rather than just replacing their expenditures. But using how much they profited to say that's the only reason they're pushing the vaccine is the same as saying no doctor has ever cared about actually treating people since they've profited from it.
But at the end of the day you can't definitively prove why they are pushing the vaccine. You can use the fact that governments not related to the companies in any way are pushing the vaccine as well as evidence that it's likely not just profit, especially since they are losing money by encouraging their citizens to get vaxxed, but that's it.
I am familiar with the concept of regulatory capture, but someone moving from the public sector into the private sector is not an indicator. In industries that need to work closely with the government agencies, such as the FAA and aerospace companies, of which I can speak from first hand experience, there's a lot of movement of people from companies to the government agencies or vice versa. Realistically it's in your own best interest to move jobs every few years otherwise you'll only get cost of living raises.
Pfizer now says they’ll need 75 years to release the data for their vaccine. https://www.notlinkingtothisschlock.com
This seems insane to me.
Just a heads up, RT is a known propaganda outlet for Russia that frequently puts forth conspiracy theories, so not the best place to get your information.
The FDA did not say it would need 75 years to release the data. 329,000 pages of information were requested, and every single line of that text needs to be gone through with a fine toothed comb to see if there is any information that needs to be redacted because it's got personal information of participants in the trials or proprietary information specific to Pfizer. If they miss even one thing, they can be sued into oblivion essentially. So redacting information is super time consuming, far more time consuming than simply reading a report.
Due to the intensive nature of the ask, the FDA did say they would release 500 pages per month, every month, starting immediately. Realistically, they're actually doing pretty good on that request all things considered.
Also, you did compare it to the Black Death. So that’s not a straw man. “We could let the virus run its course and cull the population until there aren't enough people to transmit it and have it mutate effectively, thus stopping its propagation. That's what happened with the black death.”
Nowhere in there did I compare them; I didn't say this is just like the Black Death. What I did say is that the virus, like every other virus that causes death, will spread until the population gets to such a point that it cannot sustain itself anymore, and then will effectively "end". That doesn't mean the death toll will be the same nor did I say that. I used the Black Death because that's the most well known pre-inoculation pandemic that people know, and it illustrates the point well. Saying that I compared them is a straw man. But continuing to argue this point back and forth won't be fruitful.
Why not engage with my comments about ivermectin, and hydroxychlroquine? There is a lot of evidence that these work. My point was that we have effective treatments and it’s not about just letting the virus run its course. I think for those that are at risk they should take the necessary precautions and for everyone else who is not at risk and is in the 99.7% who survive they should be able to live their lives.
I ignored it because I thought it was bad faith because it seems like the information on these was widely known. It seems that I was mistaken on both counts.
The (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32838355/) data available (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33264556/) shows that (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33165621/) hydroxychloroquine has (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33031652/) no effect (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32706953/) on covid (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32674126/). It also is known that in high doses it can have negative effects. Trying to use it to treat covid is like trying to use antacids to treat covid.
Likewise (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33662102/), ivermectin has (https://www.ijsciences.com/pub/article/2378) been shown (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33682640/) to have (https://www.banglajol.info/index.php/IMCJMS/article/view/52826) no beneficial effect on covid, and is also dangerous in high doses.
People who are at risk, as well as people who are not, should get vaccinated to end the disease. There is no known method for ending the course of a virus prematurely short of being vaccinated and developing antibodies.
Also, if you are vaccinated, you are more easily able to live your life without worry, and the sooner we make it so we don't have to worry about covid, the sooner we can go back to normal.
I get that you think I’m an idiot and a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing does not make sense when a one size fits all approach is taken. I think we should be excited by the fact that omicron is mild and no one has died from it. Hopefully that can help get us to herd immunity and back to some semblance of normality.
I don't think you're an idiot. You are bordering on conspiracy theorist if you don't already fit the definition.
The thing is that a one-size-fits-all approach is the only thing that will work. This is a virus, not an individualized illness. Our bodies all work the same when it comes to fighting off viruses, and that is through antibodies. To develop the antibodies, we need to be vaccinated. Natural immunity is not as protective against the virus and do not last as long. Literally the only way to stop this virus and build a herd immunity is to be vaccinated.
I'll look at the rest of the stuff in this thread when I have a chance.
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The plague is caused by a bacteria, so there is no pre/post inoculation for it. But I digress. Get vaccinated.
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you know you can get myocarditis from covid19 as well right? and the chances of getting it are higher if you test positive than by developing it after the vaccine .. the anti-vax “logic” is so frustrating
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has anyone received myocarditis from it? i read that a healthy teenage boy is more likely to receive myocarditis than be hospitalized from it. so at least for me, do you understand why i'm not getting in line?
does that make sense?
if you're fat, diabetic or over the 69 yr, i can see why. but young people? just seems cray-cray.
aye shut the fuck up with that ableist "fat, diabetic, old person" shit, mr. cray cray. guess you're scared of a big bad vaccine.
I'm healthy as fuck and got the shit kicked out of me from the Delta. 4 months out and I've gotta have a chest CT tomorrow. Similar with my partner. healthy & young and has had a resting heart rate in the high 90s since her infection.
there's no conspiracy with this vaccine.
Also, here are the stats on US height and weight averages
Men:
Height in inches: 69.0
Weight in pounds: 199.8
Waist circumference in inches: 40.5
Women:
Height in inches: 63.5
Weight in pounds: 170.8
Waist circumference in inches: 38.7
that's some generalized obesity and comorbidities are the norm for the average American. Not to mention almost 35% of the total population being 65+.
sounds like you're pretty self absorbed to me
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i'm not so sure, straight. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study
you’re argument is that boys are more likely to be hospitalized for side effects from vaccine than being hospitalized from getting the virus
my argument is that you’re more likely to get myocarditis if you catch covid than developing myocarditis as a side effect from the vaccine
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has anyone received myocarditis from it? i read that a healthy teenage boy is more likely to receive myocarditis than be hospitalized from it. so at least for me, do you understand why i'm not getting in line?
does that make sense?
if you're fat, diabetic or over the 69 yr, i can see why. but young people? just seems cray-cray.
aye shut the fuck up with that ableist "fat, diabetic, old person" shit, mr. cray cray. guess you're scared of a big bad vaccine.
I'm healthy as fuck and got the shit kicked out of me from the Delta. 4 months out and I've gotta have a chest CT tomorrow. Similar with my partner. healthy & young and has had a resting heart rate in the high 90s since her infection.
there's no conspiracy with this vaccine.
Also, here are the stats on US height and weight averages
Men:
Height in inches: 69.0
Weight in pounds: 199.8
Waist circumference in inches: 40.5
Women:
Height in inches: 63.5
Weight in pounds: 170.8
Waist circumference in inches: 38.7
that's some generalized obesity and comorbidities are the norm for the average American. Not to mention almost 35% of the total population being 65+.
sounds like you're pretty self absorbed to me
here's the thing, and I'm not going to waste my time providing sources you won't read, but folks who are vaccinated are far less likely to spread a viral load. no getting around that.
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The plague is caused by a bacteria, so there is no pre/post inoculation for it. But I digress. Get vaccinated.
Well shit, I had always assumed it was a virus and never checked. Thanks for the correction, I’ll have to find another more relatable pandemic now.
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Yes, he was vaccinated. Not sure which one. He did not get sick, and also did not pass it on to the other guy he was traveling with. Generally it seems like both severity and transmissibility comes down to the viral load that you carry. Vaccinated people carry less virus, get less sick, transmit at lower rates. In this case, you can see how both of us being vaccinated was the end of the line for that potential vector back into society at large/my young kid/my elderly parents, etc.
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
Since we are getting anecdotal, I'm curious if the guy was vaccinated? Curious about vaccines efficacy in slowing spread from those who may be both vaccinated and infected.
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Yes, he was vaccinated. Not sure which one. He did not get sick, and also did not pass it on to the other guy he was traveling with. Generally it seems like both severity and transmissibility comes down to the viral load that you carry. Vaccinated people carry less virus, get less sick, transmit at lower rates. In this case, you can see how both of us being vaccinated was the end of the line for that potential vector back into society at large/my young kid/my elderly parents, etc.
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
Since we are getting anecdotal, I'm curious if the guy was vaccinated? Curious about vaccines efficacy in slowing spread from those who may be both vaccinated and infected.
for sure. That's what I was thinking. I'm fully vaccinated and was fully vaccinated when we caught Delta in August. We live in one of the least vaccinated areas of the state and could have caught it in the grocery store... Anyhow, I asked because my partner and I were both required to be around large groups of people in the days prior to realizing we were getting very sick.
With contact tracing we learned that NO ONE we had spent time with also go sick at that time. The vaccine most certainly does lessen the viral load!
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Yes, he was vaccinated. Not sure which one. He did not get sick, and also did not pass it on to the other guy he was traveling with. Generally it seems like both severity and transmissibility comes down to the viral load that you carry. Vaccinated people carry less virus, get less sick, transmit at lower rates. In this case, you can see how both of us being vaccinated was the end of the line for that potential vector back into society at large/my young kid/my elderly parents, etc.
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Since we live a world where one-off anecdotal news is the norm; I'm triple vaccinated, spend most of a weekend hanging out with a guy who later that day tested positive for COVID. A week later, I just tested negative. So, you know, sometimes the vaccine does just work and keep you from catching it.
Since we are getting anecdotal, I'm curious if the guy was vaccinated? Curious about vaccines efficacy in slowing spread from those who may be both vaccinated and infected.
In this case I think a couple of things could have happened. He could have just been exposed and had minimal virus like I said in a previous post or he had high enough antibody levels from the vaccine that stopped it from reproducing.
It's probably too late now, but if he took a PCR test he should have asked at what cycle he tested positive. I believe it goes to 40 cycles. The higher the cycle, the less virus. If it was a low cycle like 10 then he had a lot, if a high cycle like 35 then not that much.
He could have also done an at home antigen test after the PCR. There a lot of people who are PCR positive, but negative on the antigen test which says you probably don't have a lot of virus in you.
So cases like these where the person was vaccinated and are asymptomatic shouldn't be counted IMO. This only leads to people either getting scared thinking cases are going up or antivaxxers saying the vaccines don't work.
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The plague is caused by a bacteria, so there is no pre/post inoculation for it. But I digress. Get vaccinated.
I mean, small pox is the really big one, but we finally got rid of that by using vaccines. Last Podcast did a 4 or 5 part series on the black death earlier this year though. Definitely check that out.
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Got my booster today, dude giving me the shot was being a dick.
When I was waiting around after the shot this girl (who I’m guessing is about 21-23 years old) started making small talk with me. I mentioned my wife and my 3 year old son, and she abruptly stood up and walked away.
Realizing that some gen-z chick 10 years younger tried to flirt with me and I inadvertently rejected her by talking about my wife’s favorite children's books was the funniest shit I’ve experienced in a few months.
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Got my booster today, dude giving me the shot was being a dick.
When I was waiting around after the shot this girl (who I’m guessing is about 21-23 years old) started making small talk with me. I mentioned my wife and my 3 year old son, and she abruptly stood up and walked away.
Realizing that some gen-z chick 10 years younger tried to flirt with me and I inadvertently rejected her by talking about my wife’s favorite children's books was the funniest shit I’ve experienced in a few months.
Blame it on the vaccine and big pharma. They not only lied to you to make money. They lied to you to get all the chicks! Damn. The truth is out. You will lose your mojo.
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The plague is caused by a bacteria, so there is no pre/post inoculation for it. But I digress. Get vaccinated.
Smallpox actually had inoculations, starting in the 1500s or 1600s in China. They would expose people to a less virulent version of the virus because they found that it made people immune or have far less severe symptoms if they caught smallpox. Washington actually mandated that his whole military be inoculated, and they complied, which is funny because the people refusing the vaccine and saying mandates aren’t constitutional also generally deify the founding fathers.
Smallpox would still work though as it had still done what I described to multiple civilizations before that, you just never hear about those outbreaks in school cause they’re not America, so they clearly don’t matter. However it literally took vaccines being invented to put an end to smallpox here.
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Got my booster today, dude giving me the shot was being a dick.
When I was waiting around after the shot this girl (who I’m guessing is about 21-23 years old) started making small talk with me. I mentioned my wife and my 3 year old son, and she abruptly stood up and walked away.
Realizing that some gen-z chick 10 years younger tried to flirt with me and I inadvertently rejected her by talking about my wife’s favorite children's books was the funniest shit I’ve experienced in a few months.
That rocks lol. How'd you feel after?
I got my booster this past Monday morning and other than my arm being a little sore, I didn't feel a thing. Had no side effects with the previous two doses either.
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Got my booster today, dude giving me the shot was being a dick.
When I was waiting around after the shot this girl (who I’m guessing is about 21-23 years old) started making small talk with me. I mentioned my wife and my 3 year old son, and she abruptly stood up and walked away.
Realizing that some gen-z chick 10 years younger tried to flirt with me and I inadvertently rejected her by talking about my wife’s favorite children's books was the funniest shit I’ve experienced in a few months.
That rocks lol. How'd you feel after?
I got my booster this past Monday morning and other than my arm being a little sore, I didn't feel a thing. Had no side effects with the previous two doses either.
I feel great, I skated for an hour right after before I logged back on to work. Today the area near the shot is sore but I haven’t had any reactions beyond that.
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The plague is caused by a bacteria, so there is no pre/post inoculation for it. But I digress. Get vaccinated.
Smallpox would still work though as it had still done what I described to multiple civilizations before that, you just never hear about those outbreaks in school cause they’re not America, so they clearly don’t matter. However it literally took vaccines being invented to put an end to smallpox here.
There is a difference with the smallpox virus vs SARS-CoV-2 or influenza. Smallpox only infects humans so it can be eradicated. SARS-CoV-2 or COVID and the flu are present in other animals. Influenza are in pigs and birds. SARS-CoV-2 in many wildlife. Since we can't inoculate every animal, it will be around forever.
But vaccines do work and right now the need is to get transmission of COVID down to levels of the flu pre-pandemic. There needs to be enough people either vaccinated or infected in the world to where it isn't as widespread and what we are seeing at the moment. Since it is new and the world population was naive to it, it will take some time.
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Got my booster (moderna) Sunday and the flu vaccine, kicked my ass the next day but i'm glad I got them over with.
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Probably a hard question to answer, but how do we exactly “end” the pandemic? What’s it look like on a timeline of time/actions? Is it along the lines of having 9X% of the world vaccinated against the most dominant strain? Or do we just have to live with it for X years, until every human has been infected and it becomes a “common flu”? I know it’s a hard question to answer.
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Probably a hard question to answer, but how do we exactly “end” the pandemic? What’s it look like on a timeline of time/actions? Is it along the lines of having 9X% of the world vaccinated against the most dominant strain? Or do we just have to live with it for X years, until every human has been infected and it becomes a “common flu”? I know it’s a hard question to answer.
there's two scenarios that i heard quite frequently:
at some point we will treat it pretty much like the flu, except vaccination might be mandatory, unless we developed reliable medication that actually treats the infection should it occur, so it's less dangerous over all.
or covid is gonna mutate into a more benign corona virus such as the common cold. which would mean it's so adapted to humans that it doesn't lead to your immunesystem nuking you from the inside. you'll suffer some symptoms, but the chance of pneumonia would be similar to when you get a common cold, basically none. over time, this is what usually happens with viruses and it's also beneficial to them. it's not good for a virus if the host dies quick, so usually they mutate until they can use their hosts as more stable, living viral matter fabrics. and from then on it's from what i've read unlikely to mutate into something more destructive, since such a mutation wouldn't get far if it kills its host too quick.
so basically for covid it would be good to become harmless, because that ensures the most spread and longevity. apart from the fact that a virus has no will nor is it probably alife anyway, that's how i understood it.
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my booster fucked me up for 2 days, still feeling some effects
better than covid tho
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Boosters aren’t available here yet for my age group (Quebec), it’ll most likely be available late January…d’oh !
Got an appointment for a test tomorrow even if i’m double vaxx’d. Sinuses have been a little fucked and have had a bit of mucus in my lungs since yesterday and I don’t want to risk it.
I have problems with chronic sinusitis, bad allergies and work in a very dusty envrionment, so it’s most likely that… but with the crazy amount of cases popping up I’d rather not take a chance. I’d rather take 40 mins out of my day to get tested than risk infecting my parents, which are the only family i have left (only child).
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Got my booster (moderna) Sunday and the flu vaccine, kicked my ass the next day but i'm glad I got them over with.
Same, just got booster (Pfizer tho) and flu vaccine and felt like absolute sin the entire next day. Back to normal two days after though. Didn't feel anything after the first two Covid shots either.
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Just scheduled my booster. I highly doubt there will be any side effects for me. Didn't have any for the first two and I'm a big boy so it takes a lot of drug for me to feel anything.
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Never been so stoked to have a sinus infection, just tested negative for Covid.
I was kinda worried for a min because I had been around my parents (in their 70's) in the last few days before my symptoms started.
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Omicron is absolutely ROASTING my friends in NYC right now. No exaggeration, almost all of my friends tested positive over the course of a week. The good news is that it while it is definitely more contagious than previous variants, it does also seem to be a lot less severe. And most importantly, although it’s just anecdotal, those with boosters appear to get a lot less sick. Some of my boosted friends were literally sick for like 36 hours or less. The un-boosted have had a week or so of flu like symptoms. Not sure what it does to the unvaccinated but I imagine we’ll hear about it eventually.
So get your boosters if you can, and brace yourself— I suspect that NYC is going to be the canary in the coal mine again like it was in 2019. This shit is gonna come to every town and city eventually, it’s only a matter of time.
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Omicron is absolutely ROASTING my friends in NYC right now. No exaggeration, almost all of my friends tested positive over the course of a week. The good news is that it while it is definitely more contagious than previous variants, it does also seem to be a lot less severe. And most importantly, although it’s just anecdotal, those with boosters appear to get a lot less sick. Some of my boosted friends were literally sick for like 36 hours or less. The un-boosted have had a week or so of flu like symptoms. Not sure what it does to the unvaccinated but I imagine we’ll hear about it eventually.
So get your boosters if you can, and brace yourself— I suspect that NYC is going to be the canary in the coal mine again like it was in 2019. This shit is gonna come to every town and city eventually, it’s only a matter of time.
Cases here are soaring here in Quebec. Certain restrictions have been put back in, and I have a feeling we might be seeing a lockdown coming in about a week or two after Christmas. I sure as shit hope not, I can't take it anymore. We had some of the strictest lockdown laws in the world for a long time and I'm sick of it.
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Omicron is absolutely ROASTING my friends in NYC right now. No exaggeration, almost all of my friends tested positive over the course of a week. The good news is that it while it is definitely more contagious than previous variants, it does also seem to be a lot less severe. And most importantly, although it’s just anecdotal, those with boosters appear to get a lot less sick. Some of my boosted friends were literally sick for like 36 hours or less. The un-boosted have had a week or so of flu like symptoms. Not sure what it does to the unvaccinated but I imagine we’ll hear about it eventually.
So get your boosters if you can, and brace yourself— I suspect that NYC is going to be the canary in the coal mine again like it was in 2019. This shit is gonna come to every town and city eventually, it’s only a matter of time.
Have your friends said they were all sequenced for Omicron? If so fair enough, but let's remember that there is still quite a bit of Delta going around. Yes Omicron could soon take over, but this is not only an Omicron problem, but a human behavior problem as well spreading the virus.
They aren't really roasted if all the ones who got it were sick for 36 hours for boosted and a week for unboosted. That shows he vaccines are working and they yes it could be a lot worse if unvaccinated.
I keep bringing up these podcasts and I apologize, but I think everyone should have a listen to get a full scope of everything and so you don't freak out and lose your shit. This doctor discusses with scientists about his take on boosters and what is the goal of the vaccines are. They also talk about Omicron, why we shouldn't be looking at cases so much, but more people should get vaccinated amongst other things.
Starts about 20:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkhN4rC19RI&t=2477s
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Yeah, when I refer to them all getting “roasted” I am referring to the sheer volume of cases, not the severity. Like you said, at this point it’s pretty clear that when you get your shots you generally don’t get as sick. But I was already convinced of that and hence Ive already gotten all 3 doses. The mild severity of these cases is extremely good news, especially considering how well the boosted people are doing. And when I call the cases “omicron” you’re right, I don’t really know if that’s true. It just seems to fit the bill based on the early reports. The sheer explosion in spread is really unprecedented. I mean regardless as to what strain it is I think the writing is on the wall, we’ve all seen what the winter weather and holiday gatherings can do to case numbers. Last January was super gnarly for a lot of the US, and this one probably will be too. So yeah, hope everyone who can do so is scheduling an appointment for their shots. Don’t be a statistic clogging up the hospitals if you can help it.
I suspect this is gonna be the wave where we all just finally catch it and actually achieve herd immunity. Gos knows we ain’t getting any more checks to stay home
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Well if it's anything like last year I'll probably be sick for New Years again.... Worst part of that was I had gone to get a massage my wife had gifted me, then I was suuuuper tired. I then thought it was just a cold and went into a store to get some stuff to ease the "cold" and decided to get tested just to be on the safe side. Then I found out it was Covid and had to call everyone I had been in contact with. I felt like an asshole for going into the store after I was already symptomatic.
I had worn a mask the whole time, but even so, it's a shitty feeling that I could have spread it. Luckily it was pretty mild for me, and same for my wife, so hopefully it was some variant that wasn't as bad just in case I did spread it.
I'd actually be in favor of a lockdown and working from home again. It sucked, don't get me wrong, but the US is leading the world in cases, which is fucking insane. We've got a smaller population than India, and are way less dense. To compare, India is still only at like 40% fully vaccinated, we're at 60% and have been at 50% since August. At the same point India was at 8%. We've had 150% of the cases they have had, yet have had 173% of the deaths they have had (and we likely have access to better medical equipment, although they do have universal health care....). Our cases have basically been on the rise since July, and don't show any signs of stopping. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) We had actually had a steady fall in cases from January to July.
Canada has been a lot better so I don't think you guys would need to lockdown, but the US definitely needs to.
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Canada has been a lot better so I don't think you guys would need to lockdown, but the US definitely needs to.
Can’t speak for all of Canada, but never under-estimate Quebec’s Premier, François Legault. He’s very trigger happy when it comes to new saftey measures. Thing is, most of our cases are in Montreal yet the whole province gets punished for it.
He was very proud of having some of the strictest lockdowns in the world and he said he was still open to lockdowns and curfews should he decide it’s necessary. Last year, we were on lockdown + 8pm curfew from mid October to mid March. Things opened up for a week, then we were locked down again until late May, no curfew at least… Thank you O merciful God. Only thing that kept me sane was that I don’t work from home (factory mechanic)
Plus, our booster shots JUST started for the elderly. I wouldn’t be surprised to get mine in February (I’m almost 33).
Considering Quebec just had its worst number of cases in one day since the begining of the pandemic, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the first thing he does the week after Christmas. It’s an election year, so he’ll win points for letting us have Christmas.
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Currently have it, I assume omicron but who fucking knows. I should've got the booster before I went on a trip to Puerto Rico.. very dumb.
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yea i tested positive. well this sucks.
but its been about long enough so i should be good in days. i hope
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Partner recently had it, despite of being fully vaccinated. Multiple elderly people have died in my county, they were fully vaccinated as well. Almost everyone I know has had Covid has contracted it in the last 2 months. Two people in my town had their fucking hair fall out as their fevers reached unbelievable temperatures. They were fully vaccinated as well. Is is an understatement to say that They are not getting something right. I sure as fuck hope this booster turns the tide. I can't imagine it will.
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Canada has been a lot better so I don't think you guys would need to lockdown, but the US definitely needs to.
He was very proud of having some of the strictest lockdowns in the world and he said he was still open to lockdowns and curfews should he decide it’s necessary. Last year, we were on lockdown + 8pm curfew from mid October to mid March. Things opened up for a week, then we were locked down again until late May, no curfew at least… Thank you O merciful God. Only thing that kept me sane was that I don’t work from home (factory mechanic)
Plus, our booster shots JUST started for the elderly. I wouldn’t be surprised to get mine in February (I’m almost 33).
Considering Quebec just had its worst number of cases in one day since the begining of the pandemic, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the first thing he does the week after Christmas. It’s an election year, so he’ll win points for letting us have Christmas.
Well there you go, back to semi-lockdown in Quebec. Indoor skateparks again closed during winter......
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Partner recently had it, despite of being fully vaccinated. Multiple elderly people have died in my county, they were fully vaccinated as well. Almost everyone I know has had Covid has contracted it in the last 2 months. Two people in my town had their fucking hair fall out as their fevers reached unbelievable temperatures. They were fully vaccinated as well. Is is an understatement to say that They are not getting something right. I sure as fuck hope this booster turns the tide. I can't imagine it will.
If this one doesn’t, maybe the next one will.🤷🏻♀️
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Canada has been a lot better so I don't think you guys would need to lockdown, but the US definitely needs to.
He was very proud of having some of the strictest lockdowns in the world and he said he was still open to lockdowns and curfews should he decide it’s necessary. Last year, we were on lockdown + 8pm curfew from mid October to mid March. Things opened up for a week, then we were locked down again until late May, no curfew at least… Thank you O merciful God. Only thing that kept me sane was that I don’t work from home (factory mechanic)
Plus, our booster shots JUST started for the elderly. I wouldn’t be surprised to get mine in February (I’m almost 33).
Considering Quebec just had its worst number of cases in one day since the begining of the pandemic, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the first thing he does the week after Christmas. It’s an election year, so he’ll win points for letting us have Christmas.
Yeah I was just about to write that. Fucking bummed. At least I still have hiking and ski touring.
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Just got boosted last night after work by our Pfizer overlords. Had the J&J single dose the first time with no side effects, so far just a sore arm with this one.
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Partner recently had it, despite of being fully vaccinated. Multiple elderly people have died in my county, they were fully vaccinated as well. Almost everyone I know has had Covid has contracted it in the last 2 months. Two people in my town had their fucking hair fall out as their fevers reached unbelievable temperatures. They were fully vaccinated as well. Is is an understatement to say that They are not getting something right. I sure as fuck hope this booster turns the tide. I can't imagine it will.
how's she doing, man? the rona, whatever it is, is no joke.
this chick I know, who was not vaccinated, caught it in VT and had a fever for 3 weeks she said. said she was having crazy mental problems during the whole ordeal, hallucinations and what not. I can't imagine having a fever for that long. that's meningitis status brain frying.
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Partner recently had it, despite of being fully vaccinated. Multiple elderly people have died in my county, they were fully vaccinated as well. Almost everyone I know has had Covid has contracted it in the last 2 months. Two people in my town had their fucking hair fall out as their fevers reached unbelievable temperatures. They were fully vaccinated as well. Is is an understatement to say that They are not getting something right. I sure as fuck hope this booster turns the tide. I can't imagine it will.
how's she doing, man? the rona, whatever it is, is no joke.
this chick I know, who was not vaccinated, caught it in VT and had a fever for 3 weeks she said. said she was having crazy mental problems during the whole ordeal, hallucinations and what not. I can't imagine having a fever for that long. that's meningitis status brain frying.
She's good! She got off fairly easy other than the loss of taste and smell. I will know her sense of smell has come back as soon as notices the cashed out bowl scent coming from my pocket. (Still drives her crazy) ;D Thanks for asking bud and I hope that girl you spoke about ends up ok!
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She's good! She got off fairly easy other than the loss of taste and smell. I will know her sense of smell has come back as soon as notices the cashed out bowl scent coming from my pocket. (Still drives her crazy) ;D Thanks for asking bud and I hope that girl you spoke about ends up ok!
Really nice to read this update friend.
Getting my booster in the A.M.
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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster? Been really mild, little cough and possibly slight fever at times. Been working like 12-16 hours a day, so thought I was just tired for the first few days which sucks as I probably spread it to some people
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I just found out one of my younger brother's best friends passed away after getting covid a second time unvaccinated. I'm guessing his first time was mild and he was also a trumper.
Please get vaccinated y'all.
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Terrible news @layzieyez Sorry to hear that.
Did he have any underlying conditions?
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None that I know. He actually lost a lot of weight a few years ago and looked really healthy.
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I just found out one of my younger brother's best friends passed away after getting covid a second time unvaccinated. I'm guessing his first time was mild and he was also a trumper.
Please get vaccinated y'all.
I'm sorry to hear about this as well. One would think Trumpers should fall in line soon, as he has been in the media a lot actually promoting the original vaccines. Actually He has even been taking credit because the were created while he was still president. I couldn't believe when Biden even mentioned it yesterday.
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I just found out one of my younger brother's best friends passed away after getting covid a second time unvaccinated. I'm guessing his first time was mild and he was also a trumper.
Please get vaccinated y'all.
Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
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also my condolences
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I don't have all the details but it was probably omicron according to my friend that gave me the news.
I'm not sure when he got it the first time so if he got it at the beginning of the pandemic since he was in New York, then whatever natural immunity he had either waned or no longer existed.
It also looks like it only took a few weeks from when he contracted it to his passing.
Thanks for your condolences. We used to go clubbing with him and my younger brother after I got divorced from my first wife. They really helped me move on and now my current wife and I are celebrating 20 years in 2022.
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how bad was booster for yall (moderna)?
Got it wednesday at 5:30pm
Yesterday I was sick as a dog
Woke up today 36 hours later still w fever headaache sore throat.
Just also heard 2 coworkers got omicron this week
Trying to get a test but everything is booked until next week
already cancelled christmas fuck man
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how bad was booster for yall (moderna)?
Got it at 5:30pm
Yesterday I was sick as a dog
Woke up today 36 hours later still w fever headaache sore throat.
Just also heard 2 coworkers got omicron this week
Trying to get a test but everything is booked until next week
already cancelled christmas fuck man
Me and my man got ours yesterday around 1 pm. Started feeling symptoms around 6 yesterday. It was a rough night, woke up several times feeling nauseous with a sore throat. Feeling worn out, wanted to skate today, but should probably conserve the energy. Sorry about your Christmas. :(
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housemate got it from a blunt cyph
me and my partner dodged it, she was at the same place as him but came back negative 3x on rapid tests and neg on a PCR test
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how bad was booster for yall (moderna)?
Got it wednesday at 5:30pm
Yesterday I was sick as a dog
Woke up today 36 hours later still w fever headaache sore throat.
Just also heard 2 coworkers got omicron this week
Trying to get a test but everything is booked until next week
already cancelled christmas fuck man
I was 100% fine after Moderna boost. Got it on a Thursday night went to work Friday no issue and skated that weekend. I did cut booze 3 days before and drank nothing but pedialyte the whole day of and day after to stay hydrated.
Hoping it’s not Covid for you.
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Moderna boosted yesterday at 11:00 A.AM. So about 24 hours in feelin OK. A bit tired but I started working on my flatground in the basement and that style seems to use a shit-ton of energy, so feeling a little tired, shot location on arm is sore, but overall I seem to be doing OK.
My wife got it at the same time, she is feeling good and upstairs getting a workout done.
Happiest of Holidays to all with hopes that everyone’s tomorrow morning is fire.
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I don't have all the details but it was probably omicron according to my friend that gave me the news.
I'm not sure when he got it the first time so if he got it at the beginning of the pandemic since he was in New York, then whatever natural immunity he had either waned or no longer existed.
It also looks like it only took a few weeks from when he contracted it to his passing.
Thanks for your condolences. We used to go clubbing with him and my younger brother after I got divorced from my first wife. They really helped me move on and now my current wife and I are celebrating 20 years in 2022.
Damn, brother. Sorry for your loss. Never really gets easier. My aunt died with covid a few weeks back. Truly sorry.
what's mildly terrifying is that this is a smart fucking virus. Mutates fast, is airborne, relatively resistant to early vaccines (although vaccines are better than nothing), and natural immunity doesn't last.
Stay safe and be kind to one another, Pals
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Moderna boosted yesterday at 11:00 A.AM. So about 24 hours in feelin OK. A bit tired but I started working on my flatground in the basement and that style seems to use a shit-ton of energy, so feeling a little tired, shot location on arm is sore, but overall I seem to be doing OK.
My wife got it at the same time, she is feeling good and upstairs getting a workout done.
Happiest of Holidays to all with hopes that everyone’s tomorrow morning is fire.
Pretty much the same for me. Got mine yesterday, made me feel kind of tired, but that could also be attributed to waking up at 7. Normally I sleep in a bit on my days off. Anyways, I took at nap in the afternoon, then went out for drinks for my buddy's birthday. Arm is sore today, but nothing else to really mention.
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My check engine light came on in my car but I’m not going to let some car tell me what to do. I have rights. Also I’m switching to putting diesel in because I don’t trust Subaru.
A lot of the time your “check engine” light comes on it’s most likely the secondary air pump has stopped working. which really only means that your car will run a little rich from its normal stoich air fuel ratio parameter, which, in most cases will cause very little to zero negative affects to the reliability of your car (and will cause very little, to no pollution). Now, if the CEL is blinking that could be a bad misfire (not so bad but definitely concerning), a dead MAF sensor, bad IAT sensor or much worse. But if you really want to trust a dealership to charge you an arm and a leg to fix a problem that really isn’t worth fixing until you have to re-smog your car? Then, by all means, knock yourself out… On the subject of vacation? I am pro vaxx.
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Hey guys I'm gonna check in here and remind everyone to not only get their boosters, but please make sure you're wearing an effective (ie medical) mask. I know my Natas devil worship mask looks sick as fuck but I also know that cloth masks like it are pretty useless at stopping droplets. I wear disposable medical masks every time I go out - they're way way better at keeping everyone safe.
I'm relatively anonymous on here (although a few of you know my real name and there's at least 3 of you that know my face) so if you want a no-bullshit answer about anything from a dude who packs his PAPR with his lunch and goes to work on the absolute front line of this thing feel free to ask. I'm not a medical professional - my professional expertise is in sanitation and infection control in a critical care setting - so I can't answer if someone's going to be OK. I'm the dude who goes in when shit (or blood, or in the case of covid often the fluid we've drained off their lungs) hits the fan and hoses everything down with chemicals and UV light and makes it safe for the next patient to come in. What I do is not complicated, but it's very high stakes and I try to leverage all the information and resources available to me to do it as effectively as possible. I live this shit. It's real. Take it seriously.
So let me give you my very early observations about what's going on right now. The good news is that it looks like omicron is not as dangerous in terms of causing severe infection. The really bad news is that its looking like it's far more transmissible than delta was. This shit spreads fast and easy. Even with a booster and masks you need to take all precautions - basically just stay the fuck away from people as much as you can. We have more employees out on isolation right now than at any other point in the pandemic, so we're finally going back to visitor restrictions and daily entrance screening. If you have elderly or immunocompromised family members please just stay away from them and tell them to keep their heads down as much as possible for the time being.
This has scared a lot of people into getting their shots but there's a lag time - both for the vaccine to reach full efficiency and for the impact to travel around the population - so this is most likely going to get worse before it gets better. A lot of people still traveled for the holidays and still aren't taking this seriously so I'm expecting to see some harrowing infection stats in the coming weeks.
Shits bad enough that even Trump is telling his cult to get shots (with predictably depressing and hilarious results) which should tell you something. Yeah it might be a PR move because of how much shit is coming out about the coup, or he may have finally seen how fucked we are if we don't seriously change what we're doing.
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Hey guys I'm gonna check in here and remind everyone to not only get their boosters, but please make sure you're wearing an effective (ie medical) mask. I know my Natas devil worship mask looks sick as fuck but I also know that cloth masks like it are pretty useless at stopping droplets. I wear disposable medical masks every time I go out - they're way way better at keeping everyone safe.
I'm relatively anonymous on here (although a few of you know my real name and there's at least 3 of you that know my face) so if you want a no-bullshit answer about anything from a dude who packs his PAPR with his lunch and goes to work on the absolute front line of this thing feel free to ask. I'm not a medical professional - my professional expertise is in sanitation and infection control in a critical care setting - so I can't answer if someone's going to be OK. I'm the dude who goes in when shit (or blood, or in the case of covid often the fluid we've drained off their lungs) hits the fan and hoses everything down with chemicals and UV light and makes it safe for the next patient to come in. What I do is not complicated, but it's very high stakes and I try to leverage all the information and resources available to me to do it as effectively as possible. I live this shit. It's real. Take it seriously.
So let me give you my very early observations about what's going on right now. The good news is that it looks like omicron is not as dangerous in terms of causing severe infection. The really bad news is that its looking like it's far more transmissible than delta was. This shit spreads fast and easy. Even with a booster and masks you need to take all precautions - basically just stay the fuck away from people as much as you can. We have more employees out on isolation right now than at any other point in the pandemic, so we're finally going back to visitor restrictions and daily entrance screening. If you have elderly or immunocompromised family members please just stay away from them and tell them to keep their heads down as much as possible for the time being.
This has scared a lot of people into getting their shots but there's a lag time - both for the vaccine to reach full efficiency and for the impact to travel around the population - so this is most likely going to get worse before it gets better. A lot of people still traveled for the holidays and still aren't taking this seriously so I'm expecting to see some harrowing infection stats in the coming weeks.
Shits bad enough that even Trump is telling his cult to get shots (with predictably depressing and hilarious results) which should tell you something. Yeah it might be a PR move because of how much shit is coming out about the coup, or he may have finally seen how fucked we are if we don't seriously change what we're doing.
hey man, thanks for posting this. people are getting lax all around me. I work in a school with a relatively high % of people who don't believe in vaccines and who also traveled for the holidays. My sister and I had to lay into our parents to stay away from parties with anti-vaxx family members this year. People do weird shit and make poor choices based on emotional wants- traveling and all that, as if loving someone will stop transmission of the virus. I have a hard time hearing people go on about not seeing their families for the holidays and not taking trips- I live 3600 miles away from my family. I love my family and very rarely get to see them. It's sad sometimes, but it doesn't kill me or anyone else. I've been wanting to go to Mexico for years now, had a plan before the virus came around, but you know what- I'm not fucking do it yet. I went to the weed store for candy the other day and the girl at the counter asked if I was going to a New Years show at the casino and very firmly I said "Nope." and she says "why not?" Are you serious? fuckin idiot. It's depressing as fuck sometimes, but whatever, this too shall pass.
I'm pretty terrified to go back to work in 10 days. Granted, I got smacked with Delta in August and was really sick, but I've still got to get my booster. And, honestly after having had covid, I'm nervous to repeat feeling sick again for a few days after the booster. I've got to plan it so I can get a few days off from work for the booster shot.
anyways, keep sharing the knowledge, bro
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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?
Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.
Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.
Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long. Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had. That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact. Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you? It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.
My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net". This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron. The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.
Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.
(Lots of good stuff that I'm trimming for length but quoting to better delineate my post)
I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing. Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option. The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively. There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.
I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.
The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily. I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.
It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it. The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work. It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.
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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?
Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.
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Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long. Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had. That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact. Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you? It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.
My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net". This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron. The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.
Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.
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(Lots of good stuff that I'm trimming for length but quoting to better delineate my post)
I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing. Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option. The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively. There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.
I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.
The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily. I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.
It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it. The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work. It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.
As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating". Most importantly is a proper fit. We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers. So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone. Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face. Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks. If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after. It will be packed with dust. Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily.
Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp
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I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.
Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.
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I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.
Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.
we recently ordered some from a company we had gotten them from last year. the first order seemed legit, this order was absolute crap. KN95 printed upside down, a couple masks had holes in them. They refused a refund and offered to send a new batch. fuck that crap.
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Got my booster Friday and just had a fever the next day until about the 24 hr mark and from there just a little worn out until the next day. Then good as new.
Had a bit of a subtle panic attack with this one due to the change of setting versus my earlier shots. The first 2 I was in a huge facility with a hundred people getting shots in and out in about 1 minute, nothing to it. This time I was in an empty costco, the 1 of 2 pharmacists took forever to prep the booster and kept asking the other which I needed, then had to go in a completely silent little room where he gave me the shot which stung a lot more than before and ultimately just fucked with my head at this point and almost passes out after lol. I just hate those weird overly medical feeling environments that give a certain feeling that can trigger some anxiety, only place that does it for me
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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?
Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.
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Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long. Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had. That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact. Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you? It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.
My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net". This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron. The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.
Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.
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(Lots of good stuff that I'm trimming for length but quoting to better delineate my post)
I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing. Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option. The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively. There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.
I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.
The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily. I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.
It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it. The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work. It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.
Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp
You're not necessarily wrong but you're still sort of doing "bro science" as it pertains to covid so I feel like I should say something.
First off, fit is indeed extremely important and any n95 or kn95 should be fit tested. I have a big dirty hobo beard that prevents me from making a seal so I wear a PAPR, but early in the pandemic I actually shaved it off at work because my face shield cracked and we didn't have a new one and I didn't want to take my chances with not being able to seal.
But, that's only for filtered masks that create a seal so its not as important as you might assume coming from a job where it's paramount. Most covid masks are designed to keep particles contained and prevent them from becoming airborne rather than filtering them. They absolutely do protect you (a good surgical mask is only like 15-25% less effective than an n95 from a filtration standpoint) but MUCH more importantly they protect everyone around us by shielding them from our disease holes. Even an improperly fitted n95 or a surgical mask will reduce the amount of crap we put out by like 80-90%, so filtration becomes far less important.
So it's not bad advice to say "fit is the most important thing if you're wearing an n95“. It IS bad advice and bro science to say that other types of masks are crap and won't protect you (or, more importantly, others).
There's a lot that goes into this with droplet size, viral load, materials science etc but basically for most people a good surgical mask is going to be the easiest, safest bet and miles ahead of a thin cloth mask or bandana. There's a reason we wear them in the absolute most critical infection prevention situation (when we cut you open) after all.
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I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.
Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.
Honestly short of actually taking them in for testing it's not very easy to determine. You can google it and see if there's like a tell-tale packaging or batch number but that's probably a long shot. My advice is if you want to be absolutely sure then pony up for some good ones you know are legit and start handing those ones out to clients.
If they're unvented and well made then I'd probably feel safe wearing them in most situations though. I wouldn't do it for something high risk like where I work or riding a city bus during an outbreak, but just for like running into the gas station or something I'd be cool with it. Basically I'd just treat it like a cloth mask at that point.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
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As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating". Most importantly is a proper fit. We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers. So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone. Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face. Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks. If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after. It will be packed with dust. Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily.
Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp
Fit is important and is everything, but the KN95 that are shaped like cones fit very well if you use them properly (I assume the same applies to N95 but I've not used them). I've also used them for sanding and they worked perfectly; no dust in my nose. If you have any mask, cloth or otherwise, it needs to seal well so that your breath is actually going through the mask. If it's not going through the mask, then the mask isn't actually filtering like you said. If you can't get a medical mask to seal, then you might be better off with a cloth mask that seals.
As for Coronavirus particles, the actual particle is indeed 0.1 microns at the smallest and 0.5 microns at the largest, and KN95 (and N95) masks filter out media that is 0.3 microns or larger. However, you're ignoring one of the key issues with that thought process; viruses are transmitted through air by respiratory droplets and cannot pass without this media to transfer them. Viruses spread by being carried within respiratory droplets. Droplets less than 5 microns generally evaporate within a fraction of a second, large droplets larger than 100 microns settle in around half a second, and the particles that cause infection are generally between 5 and 30 microns as they are light enough to stay airborne and large enough to not evaporate. (https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0015984) There are other masks you can wear that still are somewhat effective. Cloth masks have been found to be around 60% efficient at filtering out particles of this size and surgical masks around 90% efficient. (https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-21-05-oa-0117) However, as the particles that spread the virus are still larger, even wearing a mask improperly is better than no mask at all.
In short, properly wearing a mask, any mask, will greatly reduce your possibility of spreading the virus, but wearing a mask at all will still reduce your likelihood of transmission like BR said. Having a 2-3 ply cloth mask should get you close to a surgical mask, but surgical and N95/KN95 will offer the best protection.
I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.
Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.
The CDC has a database with test results of different manufacturers of KN95 masks, and if you scroll down the page you can find a list of masks that have been found to not perform to the standard and are assumed to be counterfeit. (https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/respirators/testing/NonNIOSHresults.html) You can cross reference these two lists to find one that meets the filtering standard and is not on the assumed counterfeit list, and if the company/model is not on either of the lists, avoid it.
They also have a list of absolutely known counterfeit masks. (https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/usernotices/counterfeitResp.html)
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
I run a couple of housing programs for homeless youth. Being in management means I don't have to be on site as much but I do still have to be there most days. Just keeping programs staffed through Covid has been an absolute nightmare. One of my overnight people just came down with it... Now its scramble to find sub workers... Its beyond stressful...
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
I am. I wish I got hazard pay.
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They also have a list of absolutely known counterfeit masks. (https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/usernotices/counterfeitResp.html)
Thank you for this CDC link for legit masks. Very helpful info for those in need.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
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do you work an essential job
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do you work an essential job
did you read his previous informative posts ?
he cleans stuff.
If you are cleaning stuff (especially during a pandemic), you are definitely working an essential job
What's your underlying question ?
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i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.
do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves
i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.
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I hear you and won't blame you
You re here somewhat asking how to do better
Most common masks (cloth and chirurgical) are mostly meant to protect others from you (keep your spits for you).
If we all wear them, we protect each other
KN95 (kinda similar to FFP2 in Europe) are meant to protect you from others (them being sealed is even more important) and depending on the vent / valve it doesn't protect others from you
These are recommended to people with conditions that need some extra protection. They are more expensive
i'm not sure for KN95 (i see no reason it could be different) but the best is to never touch your chirurgical mask (only touch ear strings), never put it in your pocket, never put it under your chin and the best is to change it every 4-6 hours.
People wear masks but most people don't use them correctly which is a real concern. it's still better than nothing
cloth masks are the least efficient and should be avoided if you don't wash them daily
Wash your hands often, sneeze in your elbow, try to use your mask correctly and you will already do more than a majority of us. It's not that hard and you'll save some lifes.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.
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my mask smells like cat food i should wash it
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i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.
do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves
i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.
Oh, you fucking care alright.
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my mask smells like cat food i should wash it
Mail it to the Malibu Illusion or Jordan Richter. DM for their PO box numbers.
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i try to wash my masks. not sure if that actually helps but i can't afford to buy ten masks each week. i try to cop them at work for a five finger discount.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.
you're saying BFRD is posting tone deaf nonsense? huh? dude works in a hospital and sounds like he's sick of seeing people die what could be preventable deaths, if you know, more people gave a shit.
wearing masks sucks, but it's not hard to do.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.
you're saying BFRD is posting tone deaf nonsense? huh? dude works in a hospital and sounds like he's sick of seeing people die what could be preventable deaths, if you know, more people gave a shit.
wearing masks sucks, but it's not hard to do.
He was shaming dude for not wearing the most up to par masks (in his opinion), and practically claiming that his choice of mask was tantamount to reckless endangerment. And yeah considering his username includes the phrase “rape dick” I’m not gonna sit here and not take the guys opinion with a grain of salt.
Idk, it’s late in the game to still be having the mask argument, especially following the vaccine and booster arguments. It feels like there’s always going to be the person telling you that you haven’t don’t everyone correctly to a T, and if only you did you would be morally absolved. I think we should all try to do our best and hopefully be receptive to other peoples points of view. I, however, am least receptive to shaming or grandstanding.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.
you're saying BFRD is posting tone deaf nonsense? huh? dude works in a hospital and sounds like he's sick of seeing people die what could be preventable deaths, if you know, more people gave a shit.
wearing masks sucks, but it's not hard to do.
He was shaming dude for not wearing the most up to par masks (in his opinion), and practically claiming that his choice of mask was tantamount to reckless endangerment. And yeah considering his username includes the phrase “rape dick” I’m not gonna sit here and not take the guys opinion with a grain of salt.
Idk, it’s late in the game to still be having the mask argument, especially following the vaccine and booster arguments. It feels like there’s always going to be the person telling you that you haven’t don’t everyone correctly to a T, and if only you did you would be morally absolved. I think we should all try to do our best and hopefully be receptive to other peoples points of view. I, however, am least receptive to shaming or grandstanding.
Again, dude works in a hospital and is seeing people get sick and die.
I'm really not sure if you're trying to make the argument that its OK if people don't want to mask up. If wearing a mask or getting a shot might keep me or someone else from getting sick and having long term symptoms (which I experience personally) you'd better believe I'm going to do it. It's about collective well-being.
Im not equating hell ride's post to this, but do know how sick I am of seeing stores flash mobbed by anti maskers who want their view respected? School board meetings over run for the same purpose? I see it, in real life, far too regularly.
It isn't hard to wear a decent mask.
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.
you're saying BFRD is posting tone deaf nonsense? huh? dude works in a hospital and sounds like he's sick of seeing people die what could be preventable deaths, if you know, more people gave a shit.
wearing masks sucks, but it's not hard to do.
He was shaming dude for not wearing the most up to par masks (in his opinion), and practically claiming that his choice of mask was tantamount to reckless endangerment. And yeah considering his username includes the phrase “rape dick” I’m not gonna sit here and not take the guys opinion with a grain of salt.
Idk, it’s late in the game to still be having the mask argument, especially following the vaccine and booster arguments. It feels like there’s always going to be the person telling you that you haven’t don’t everyone correctly to a T, and if only you did you would be morally absolved. I think we should all try to do our best and hopefully be receptive to other peoples points of view. I, however, am least receptive to shaming or grandstanding.
Again, dude works in a hospital and is seeing people get sick and die.
I'm really not sure if you're trying to make the argument that its OK if people don't want to mask up. If wearing a mask or getting a shot might keep me or someone else from getting sick and having long term symptoms (which I experience personally) you'd better believe I'm going to do it. It's about collective well-being.
Im not equating hell ride's post to this, but do know how sick I am of seeing stores flash mobbed by anti maskers who want their view respected? School board meetings over run for the same purpose? I see it, in real life, far too regularly.
It isn't hard to wear a decent mask.
I’m making the argument that even as someone who is vaccinated against covid, and will wear a mask in indoor public settings, there are still people who insist that I’m not doing enough because I’m not “boosted” or not wearing a “decent” mask.
Eg for the mask thing
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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.
no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.
People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.
This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.
Also, to be exact, he didn’t say he’s been seeing more people get sick and die with omicron (not saying he has or hasn’t, but I didn’t see it specified). He say that it was obviously more transmissible. The fact that it’s more transmissible, but hasn’t show an increase in deaths to me might negate that wearing an “improper” mask equates to putting people at a greater risk of becoming fatally ill. This is definitely up for debate. We’re all probably pretty stuck in our ways about it.
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blunted anti society screed
about transmission rates etc? hell nah
about having to work through covid while my friends die of drugs, suicide etc and dealing with the judgement of others over wether or not i’m doing it “correctly”? prolly a little
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i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.
do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves
i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.
Lol the amount of time he took to write all that, re read it to make sure the grammar is somewhat correct so he doesn't look like a smooth brain clearly speaks volumes.
Damn, punching in at 40 hours a week sounds rough :'(
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talk to me not about me baby boy
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Honestly, I'm having a real hard time caring any more. I wear two neck gaiters together while I'm at work and a cloth mask when I'm just out and about except when I'm skating. At the skatepark literally no one is wearing a mask. In my neck of the woods I'd say it's about half and half of people who bother to do anything at all and I feel myself starting to say fuck it. If me and Omicron got in a fight I might lose due to my sleep apnea but I still don't care that much. It's just that I know we need everyone to get with the program to beat this shit, but I don't ever see that happening.
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Meanwhile the NBA is bringing back unvaccinated Kyrie Irving to fill in part time for vaccinated players that have Covid. This just keeps getting more interesting.
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Meanwhile the NBA is bringing back unvaccinated Kyrie Irving to fill in part time for vaccinated players that have Covid. This just keeps getting more interestingbraindead.
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Just went to find the name of the contributor who posted about N95/KN95 masks but quickly remembered one of the easiest names to remember here, buttfart rapedick! I’ve been bandana donning through 99% of this pandemic but I really appreciated the genuine concern and experience. Props and respect.
Just sharing my experience here: I got a part-time job with one of the major package delivery/distribution companies in early November. At no time has the company mentioned masks, not admins or managers or workers. (Edit: zero talk of vaccines also) One coworker wears a mask always, a couple others wear masks on their chins. Otherwise, I frequently find myself loading trailers with 2 or 3 other people working shoulder to shoulder in a confined space, breathing heavy and working hard at loading trucks.
Overall we seem to be, as a society and maybe as a planet, experiencing pandemic fatigue as some people understandably demonstrate here. I did, at least for a moment, take the N95 mask alert to heart, but continue to use my skull or skull and crossbones imprinted bandanas. I dunno, maybe if the alert came from username “goodhealth selfcare“ I would have taken it more to heart. LOL, jk for real, buttfart rapedick is among my favorite usernames here I am just fuckin’ with him and trying to add some levity.
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For whatever reason, Orange County is a bastion for far-right conservatism, which I did not expect to encounter even though I am a native Southern Californian. I have had my issues with the two-party system and continue to, which can be attributed to how information is disseminated in the media and how political posturing occurs, and all sorts of other stuff.
Nevertheless, what makes me the angriest is the lack of selflessness and common decency demonstrated by some people in the general public.
Some people have family members with immune-compromised systems. They cannot afford to have all food shipped/delivered to their family. So, they have to go out to stores. People choose to go out mask-less and create all sorts of unnecessary worry for their fellow humans just to make a “statement.”
It is so effortless to wear a mask, yet people refuse to do so. It makes me want to ask these people, “Is there ANYTHING LESS THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO? COULD YOU POSSIBLY DO LESS THAN PUT A MASK ON?”
The answer is yes.
I am fully confident that if, for whatever reason, we learned that if citizens would only think positive thoughts, it would eradicate COVID, a substantial percentage of people would STILL bitch and refuse to do so.
Because: “IT’S MY RIGHT!”
I wish I had made T-shirts at the beginning of the pandemic. Probably would have made a fortune. Here are some of my ideas:
NOT WEARING A MASK DOESN’T MAKE YOU A PATRIOT; IT MAKES YOU AN ASSHOLE.
PEOPLE WHO DON’T WEAR MASKS ARE SELFISH ASSHOLES.
PEOPLE WHO DON’T WEAR MASKS IN PUBLIC ARE PEDOPHILES.
PEOPLE WHO DON’T WEAR MASKS ARE SELFISH ASSHOLES & PEDOPHILES THAT SAY THE N-WORD CONSTANTLY.
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Would cop.
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i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.
do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves
i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.
Your alternative is to get your head out of your ass and stop ONLY thinking about how this affects you. Do you think every other person in the country with an "essential" job isn't facing the exact same challenges you are? Did you ever stop to consider what it would be like if some careless asshole killed YOUR grandmother, or wife, or daughter in a completely preventable way? You sound like the whiniest, most entitled type of bitch right now.
Its not fucking hard. Wear a mask. An effective one. If my docs can perform literal brain surgery in one I'm sure you can wash dishes just fine in yours.
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For whatever reason, Orange County is a bastion for far-right conservatism, which I did not expect to encounter even though I am a native Southern Californian. I have had my issues with the two-party system and continue to, which can be attributed to how information is disseminated in the media and how political posturing occurs, and all sorts of other stuff.
Nevertheless, what makes me the angriest is the lack of selflessness and common decency demonstrated by some people in the general public.
Some people have family members with immune-compromised systems. They cannot afford to have all food shipped/delivered to their family. So, they have to go out to stores. People choose to go out mask-less and create all sorts of unnecessary worry for their fellow humans just to make a “statement.”
It is so effortless to wear a mask, yet people refuse to do so. It makes me want to ask these people, “Is there ANYTHING LESS THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO? COULD YOU POSSIBLY DO LESS THAN PUT A MASK ON?”
The answer is yes.
I am fully confident that if, for whatever reason, we learned that if citizens would only think positive thoughts, it would eradicate COVID, a substantial percentage of people would STILL bitch and refuse to do so.
Because: “IT’S MY RIGHT!”
I wish I had made T-shirts at the beginning of the pandemic. Probably would have made a fortune. Here are some of my ideas:
NOT WEARING A MASK DOESN’T MAKE YOU A PATRIOT; IT MAKES YOU AN ASSHOLE.
PEOPLE WHO DON’T WEAR MASKS ARE SELFISH ASSHOLES.
PEOPLE WHO DON’T WEAR MASKS IN PUBLIC ARE PEDOPHILES.
PEOPLE WHO DON’T WEAR MASKS ARE SELFISH ASSHOLES & PEDOPHILES THAT SAY THE N-WORD CONSTANTLY.
I mean the last two are basically just doing what they do except pointing the hose the other way and with less jesus, so I don't really think that's better in any way.
It's such a trivial thing and the whole "muh freedom" thing is so dumb. No one is saying you have to wear a mask, they're saying that you have to wear one to participate in society because otherwise you're a danger to others. It's like the kid at daycare who refuses to wear pants because he doesn't like them and starts screaming and throwing toys when you point out he's rubbing his shitty little ass all over the toolbox and giving all the other kids pink eye.
I think at least some (if not a lot) is that people are insecure about their intelligence and want so badly to feel like they know better than those stuffy academic types or that dickhead kid they grew up with who ended up being a doctor. Kind of a dunning-Kruger thing... They're either too stupid or too emotional and massively overestimate how much they actually understand about issues like this.
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On a non-mask related subject, My niece, in her 30’s now, has worked very hard over the past few years to earn her nursing degree. I was super proud when I learned that she graduated nursing school.
Just learned yesterday from my sister that my niece is now unemployable as a nurse because she refuses to get vaccinated. I honestly have a hard time wrapping my head around it.
I did finally order some KN95 masks though, especially due to the recent conversation here. Easy to get in black and that’s my jam. I did some joking earlier but really do appreciate BR’s highlighting of the situation. Thanks man.
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i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.
do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves
i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.
Your alternative is to get your head out of your ass and stop ONLY thinking about how this affects you. Do you think every other person in the country with an "essential" job isn't facing the exact same challenges you are? Did you ever stop to consider what it would be like if some careless asshole killed YOUR grandmother, or wife, or daughter in a completely preventable way? You sound like the whiniest, most entitled type of bitch right now.
Its not fucking hard. Wear a mask. An effective one. If my docs can perform literal brain surgery in one I'm sure you can wash dishes just fine in yours.
read the rest of the paragraph you bolded and try again
this time try not shaming an individual for the collective failings of the system
also i don’t wash dishes but kitchen staff i believe had the highest infection rates through the initial pandemic- maybe get off your high horse about that too
to be clear because i don’t think you read things before you go into your “what if it was YOUR grandma” speech, im a proponent of masks. i’m not a proponent of constantly needing to contort myself and spend money and time buying “newer and more effective” masks this late in the game, especially after 2 years of constant exposure
but i think you’re just addicted to shaming others tbh
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An obese conspiracy theorist at work believes that her vaccine caused weight gain.
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Would cop.
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i try to wash my masks. not sure if that actually helps but i can't afford to buy ten masks each week. i try to cop them at work for a five finger discount.
You can microwave them or put them in the oven to disenfect them.
I am a teacher and I have a lot of contact with different people. I wear a regular face mask, you know the one that medical staff uses. I have tried to wear ffp 2 masks, but it becomes difficult to make myself understood. It is pretty important for us that the class can understand what we are saying. I try to open the windows regularly and we test all the students three times a week. I could probably be better with opening windows and telling students to keep a distance, but I honestly try my best. Kids at a certain age are like young dogs, you‘d have to literally tie them down to get them to keep a distance.
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An obese conspiracy theorist at work believes that her vaccine caused weight gain.
LOL! Fucking love this!
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An obese conspiracy theorist at work believes that her vaccine caused weight gain.
My vaccine caused me to be swole like The Rock and have a giant pecker. Def recommend it (Pfizer)
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It's like the kid at daycare who refuses to wear pants because he doesn't like them and starts screaming and throwing toys when you point out he's rubbing his shitty little ass all over the toolbox and giving all the other kids pink eye.
Oddly specific
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So billions of shots given, lockdowns, pandemic of the unvaccinated, unpersoning of others, mass hatred, anger, fear, titanic profit, omicron, boosters skirted, pandemic of the vaccinated, record cases, fewer deaths, and where we at? Pandemic over yet? Or does that happen when everyone gets a mild super infectious variant like omi, achieves proper natural immunity, realizes it's endemic now and that it's okay to exist on the far side fear.
Vaccines did well to prevent severe illness (probably) but the only thing that's going to end the pandemic is covid going through the natural evolution of becoming more infectious less pathogenic (which optimizes it's own survival). Treatments being allowed to exist (japan/ivemectin=covid nonissue). And people being over it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18NpRqy7CQ
I cannot wait to hear the arguments against this!
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So billions of shots given, lockdowns, pandemic of the unvaccinated, unpersoning of others, mass hatred, anger, fear, titanic profit, omicron, boosters skirted, pandemic of the vaccinated, record cases, fewer deaths, and where we at? Pandemic over yet? Or does that happen when everyone gets a mild super infectious variant like omi, achieves proper natural immunity, realizes it's endemic now and that it's okay to exist on the far side fear.
Vaccines did well to prevent severe illness (probably) but the only thing that's going to end the pandemic is covid going through the natural evolution of becoming more infectious less pathogenic (which optimizes it's own survival). Treatments being allowed to exist (japan/ivemectin=covid nonissue). And people being over it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18NpRqy7CQ
Japan or anywhere else / ivermectin => nope
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/national/ivermectin-japan-covid19-little-evidence/ (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/national/ivermectin-japan-covid19-little-evidence/)
What's your point ?
An obvious summary with a tiny doubt about what vaccines do ? like preventing millions of deaths and global scale disorganization as a consequence to overloaded medical services
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i'm pretty sure people use something for what it actually does, not for what it doesn't do (especially not for what it's not meant to do, like the majority of your list)
Sorry, english not my native language, correcting bad faith takes too much time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law)
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or they use it because they feel like it's their duty to protect the weaks (that's what people do in a society).
People dying from COVID is not the main concern though.
it's more about overloaded medical services, you guys always forget about it.
To make it simple, you, crashing your car and needing immediate care, could just die because unvaxxed people take all the beds.
Since the beginning of the pandemic, an "acceptable" number of deaths because of covid has been set.
We can't save everyone. We're just trying to avoid the collapse of the health system.
Otherwise, more people would die of COVID, more people would die from cancer, car crashes, anything, etc. People we could keep alive without COVID saturating beds.
Elderly, overweight people, comordid have a higher risk of dying from COVID
But if we let things escalate, everyone is at a higher risk of dying
You're not more aware, you're more selfish.
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Just got boosted up and doing my 15 minute observation. Glad it's over with. Until the next booster anyway.
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i think its rad that a new user shows up with more or less the same goofy anti-vaccine talking points every couple weeks and then gets mobbed by a bunch of normal people who point out the extremely obvious counterpoints
it sucks because the wealth-transfer and fear-mongering are real, but that doesn't mean that masks don't help keep your germs to yourself (they do, and that's why your dentist wears one when they poke around in your mouth).
it also doesn't mean that the vaccines aren't doing something useful (remember covid is related to various cold viruses, and note that we don't have great vaccines for them either. the flu shot is a good comparison in that it clearly does something but it isn't a magic bullet. everybody hates the flu shot because it is kinda crappy but it still helps prevent killing a few thousand old people every winter)
so yeah man it'd be chill if people got shots and wore masks just so that if one of us breaks our arm skateboarding we don't get turned away at the hospital because it's full of people hacking up a lung with covid
and as for ivermectin or whatever... that shit is so politicized we'll never get good research on it. i know it's become a right vs left culture war issue but i don't care. here's my take: it doesn't matter anymore at this point because we have a bunch of fancy new pills and infusions that people can get when they're really sick. is it a massive handout for big pharma? yes, absolutely. but it's what we get here in our bullshit global capitalist system, and it'll still work for making sure not as many people completely eat shit when they're sick anymore. whether it's because of the horse paste or the steroids or the malaria drugs or whatever the fuck, who cares.
wearing a mask or getting a shot isn't gonna turn you into a pumpkin, it's really not that big of a deal. just hang in there for a little while longer until we all get omicron. and hope you don't get "long covid" of course. not as common as it used to be, so thats good.
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So, for XMas this year, I got the Omicronz. Well... technically I think I got the germs on Dec. 23rd at my work XMas party - talking to these girls from the back that I never deal with ever. (it'll make sense soon) XMas eve, I kinda felt like I was randomly getting a fever, then 100% fine on XMas day. On the 26th, I cleaned/re-assembled my dryer vents. Did that, then walked upstairs, this weird headache nailed me when I got up the stairs. I got a fever within 5 minutes and was like "fuck this" - took some NyQuil and went to sleep it off. Headache was shitty so I didn't put on a show or anything, just slept. I basically slept for 5 days straight and sweat like a pig. I had a headache, fever, chills and leg/back aches the whole time. Pain in the hips was annoying af. Didn't check my phone as I was basically asleep for 5 days. Turns out, these girls in the back all Omicronz'ed the heck out of my work. Not sure which one brought it in (doesn't really matter) but half the company got it, fast. So, I feel okay but still exhausted and my legs get tired so fast its ridiculous. still dehydrated even though i've been drinking mad water. I lost 10 lbs. which has become my cheat sheet for wanting to lose 20, so I'm on this strictly veggie diet, especially because I can't taste a damn thing. Fever really wasn't that bad, but I was exhausted and still am. Its mostly like I am the most tired I've ever been without doing something. And I've got that "brain fog" and forgetting easy stuff. I currently know 7 people with it - they are all double vaxxed, and pissed that they got it. I was supposed to be going on a mini skate trip, but I can't even walk through my house without needing a nap - so not even happening.
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Damn, the season of giving gone wrong. Make sure to take it easy and get well soon!
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So, for XMas this year, I got the Omicronz. Well... technically I think I got the germs on Dec. 23rd at my work XMas party - talking to these girls from the back that I never deal with ever. (it'll make sense soon) XMas eve, I kinda felt like I was randomly getting a fever, then 100% fine on XMas day. On the 26th, I cleaned/re-assembled my dryer vents. Did that, then walked upstairs, this weird headache nailed me when I got up the stairs. I got a fever within 5 minutes and was like "fuck this" - took some NyQuil and went to sleep it off. Headache was shitty so I didn't put on a show or anything, just slept. I basically slept for 5 days straight and sweat like a pig. I had a headache, fever, chills and leg/back aches the whole time. Pain in the hips was annoying af. Didn't check my phone as I was basically asleep for 5 days. Turns out, these girls in the back all Omicronz'ed the heck out of my work. Not sure which one brought it in (doesn't really matter) but half the company got it, fast. So, I feel okay but still exhausted and my legs get tired so fast its ridiculous. still dehydrated even though i've been drinking mad water. I lost 10 lbs. which has become my cheat sheet for wanting to lose 20, so I'm on this strictly veggie diet, especially because I can't taste a damn thing. Fever really wasn't that bad, but I was exhausted and still am. Its mostly like I am the most tired I've ever been without doing something. And I've got that "brain fog" and forgetting easy stuff. I currently know 7 people with it - they are all double vaxxed, and pissed that they got it. I was supposed to be going on a mini skate trip, but I can't even walk through my house without needing a nap - so not even happening.
Damn. Take the time to recover! I hope you get well soon!
I will probably get it too since I work at a school. I am vaxxed with three shots, but it seems that doesn‘t help necessarily with not getting it.
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I’m sorry @ok boomer, that sounds awful… I hope you feel better soon. Do you feel like you’re on the downhill side of this thing?
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@ok boomer man this was painful to read. I know that Christmas means a lot to you and your boy. I hope you get back to 100% soon, and can chalk this up to a "your never gonna believe this one Christmas I had" story. Take care brotha!
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So, for XMas this year, I got the Omicronz. Well... technically I think I got the germs on Dec. 23rd at my work XMas party - talking to these girls from the back that I never deal with ever. (it'll make sense soon) XMas eve, I kinda felt like I was randomly getting a fever, then 100% fine on XMas day. On the 26th, I cleaned/re-assembled my dryer vents. Did that, then walked upstairs, this weird headache nailed me when I got up the stairs. I got a fever within 5 minutes and was like "fuck this" - took some NyQuil and went to sleep it off. Headache was shitty so I didn't put on a show or anything, just slept. I basically slept for 5 days straight and sweat like a pig. I had a headache, fever, chills and leg/back aches the whole time. Pain in the hips was annoying af. Didn't check my phone as I was basically asleep for 5 days. Turns out, these girls in the back all Omicronz'ed the heck out of my work. Not sure which one brought it in (doesn't really matter) but half the company got it, fast. So, I feel okay but still exhausted and my legs get tired so fast its ridiculous. still dehydrated even though i've been drinking mad water. I lost 10 lbs. which has become my cheat sheet for wanting to lose 20, so I'm on this strictly veggie diet, especially because I can't taste a damn thing. Fever really wasn't that bad, but I was exhausted and still am. Its mostly like I am the most tired I've ever been without doing something. And I've got that "brain fog" and forgetting easy stuff. I currently know 7 people with it - they are all double vaxxed, and pissed that they got it. I was supposed to be going on a mini skate trip, but I can't even walk through my house without needing a nap - so not even happening.
yo dude. be kind to yourself. for me and my girl, who got smacked with the Delta back in august, man, we were fucked up for a minute. I'm not saying this to doom and gloom, but to acknowledge that recovery can be a bitch for some of us and it is what it is.
TBF, it took me a few months to feel good again. Brain fog lasted a minute- order lions mane and reishi powder right here https://www.iherb.com/c/fungi-perfecti?rank=0 (https://www.iherb.com/c/fungi-perfecti?rank=0) if you wanna try to get that memory working again.
water. anti inflammatory foods. (fuuuuck rn I can't even remember the name of the supplements I've been taking since august) Vitamin D 1x/week, Vitamin C & Zinc daily.
hmu anytime
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yeah, Omicron is not sounding as 'mild' as people originally hoped it would be..
its been ripping through my work also. i run a couple of youth housing programs that require 24/7 staffing and its been an absolute nightmare with staff and clients dropping like flies. I've been working like a dog keeping things going while I remain healthy. At first i was hoping i would get sick, so i could put my damn phone down and have my boss deal with it all but he's also sick and this variant doesn't sound like much fun, so i'm boosting with Vit C, D, Elderberry and so on...
Side note, I finally got my moderna booster on Tuesday. It fucked me up for 24 hours but feeling good today.
Anyway, heal up @ok boomer and stay well Pals. I need to go skateboarding or surfing ASAfuckingP.
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yeah, Omicron is not sounding as 'mild' as people originally hoped it would be..
its been ripping through my work also. i run a couple of youth housing programs that require 24/7 staffing and its been an absolute nightmare with staff and clients dropping like flies. I've been working like a dog keeping things going while I remain healthy. At first i was hoping i would get sick, so i could put my damn phone down and have my boss deal with it all but he's also sick and this variant doesn't sound like much fun, so i'm boosting with Vit C, D, Elderberry and so on...
Side note, I finally got my moderna booster on Tuesday. It fucked me up for 24 hours but feeling good today.
Anyway, heal up @ok boomer and stay well Pals. I need to go skateboarding or surfing ASAfuckingP.
winter break ended for the school I work in. I went back Wednesday and it's a ghost town. kids are staying home because families are fearful. most of our support staff is out. I was in a classroom the other day and 3 kids were pulled for family members having + tests at home. I had been hesitating on a booster due to having gotten sick already a few months ago, but after day 1 back, I hopped on that shit and got pricked today.
On top of your regimen of vitamins and elderberry, this shit called herbal resistance, by source naturals is the shit (Echinacea, Coptis & Yin Chiao, Alcohol Free,) https://www.iherb.com/pr/source-naturals-wellness-herbal-resistance-liquid-with-echinacea-coptis-yin-chiao-alcohol-free-4-fl-oz-118-28-ml/1496 (https://www.iherb.com/pr/source-naturals-wellness-herbal-resistance-liquid-with-echinacea-coptis-yin-chiao-alcohol-free-4-fl-oz-118-28-ml/1496)
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i try to wash my masks. not sure if that actually helps but i can't afford to buy ten masks each week. i try to cop them at work for a five finger discount.
You can microwave them or put them in the oven to disenfect them.
I am a teacher and I have a lot of contact with different people. I wear a regular face mask, you know the one that medical staff uses. I have tried to wear ffp 2 masks, but it becomes difficult to make myself understood. It is pretty important for us that the class can understand what we are saying. I try to open the windows regularly and we test all the students three times a week. I could probably be better with opening windows and telling students to keep a distance, but I honestly try my best. Kids at a certain age are like young dogs, you‘d have to literally tie them down to get them to keep a distance.
hey teacher! leave them kids alone!
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so all you sickos, does your pcr test tell you omicron, delta burke, etc? or are you just ascribing the strain you heard on the news corresponding to when you caught ill? cause the test doesn't differentiate.
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Got exposed yesterday! Let's fucking go!
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Was chatting with a security guard today and he was telling me how short staffed they were…..why? No one wanted to get vaccinated……sounds about right….
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so all you sickos, does your pcr test tell you omicron, delta burke, etc? or are you just ascribing the strain you heard on the news corresponding to when you caught ill? cause the test doesn't differentiate.
PCR was positive, they apparently then sent it for screening and I got a second email confirming omicron.
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https://youtu.be/Q_BvQCH49d8
Fucking politicians.
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Officially exposed Tuesday, still going to work. My kid’s class was all sent home to quarantine due to exposure in class. Wife has had 3 exposure notices from work. Cal OSHA declared my worksite as having an “outbreak.”
Good times, go to work.
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Got the boost the other day. Was KO’d for about 36 hours, but felt fine after the first two doses. Guess I was due.
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Got the boost the other day. Was KO’d for about 36 hours, but felt fine after the first two doses. Guess I was due.
Got me on my ass right now. Tbh, it feels like a mild version of the last days of having delta. All the doses messed me up though.
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I have waves of feeling OK. Then waves of 0 % energy. And then brain fog. My legs lose energy but nothing else. But so lethargic I need naps. But forgetting simples stuff is annoying. I'm on day 8 of it being "over". Probably going to sleep all day tomorrow (wife going to be mad about that but she is not understanding the lack of energy). I feel 50 or 60% today. Yesterday when I mentioned it, I felt like 10%. I heard anywhere from 2-10 weeks of this tired shit. Also read that brain fog can last up to 4-6 months? Hope that's wrong. I'm taking vitamin C and D, zinc, even colloidal silver. Want to skate real bad but can't even walk good. Weird how it's seemed to go after my legs? I think
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Funny you mention your legs being weak. Dude who owns my local skate shop said his legs were cramping like crazy for a couple of days after his pfizer booster.
Im back to normal after my booster but being on call at work has been insane. I've basically worked all waking hours since last Friday. People calling out all day everyday. I get rid of the on call phone on Monday and I'm taking a few days off next week whether anyone is OK with it or not. Shit is popping off...
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Been insanely sick for 12 days. Today is my first day of feeling like I’m recovering. Took a rapid test and PCR the first day I felt sick and both came back negative. Continued to get worse and worse to the point I was bedridden. Felt like I was drowning when I tried to sleep. Ended up getting bronchitis. Felt like I was going to die at times. Maybe bad flu? I’ve been reading that nasal swabs aren’t catching omicron as well as a throat swab, so maybe that’s what happened. Who knows. Girlfriend never caught it, so that’s good at least.
I tried to return to work Thursday because I felt “better”, but my boss sent me home after an hour. In that hour I was there 12 people called out with positive covid cases. It’s everywhere.
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Been insanely sick for 12 days. Today is my first day of feeling like I’m recovering. Took a rapid test and PCR the first day I felt sick and both came back negative. Continued to get worse and worse to the point I was bedridden. Felt like I was drowning when I tried to sleep. Ended up getting bronchitis. Felt like I was going to die at times. Maybe bad flu? I’ve been reading that nasal swabs aren’t catching omicron as well as a throat swab, so maybe that’s what happened. Who knows. Girlfriend never caught it, so that’s good at least.
I tried to return to work Thursday because I felt “better”, but my boss sent me home after an hour. In that hour I was there 12 people called out with positive covid cases. It’s everywhere.
There are still other illnesses that exist. Way before covid I had a flu one year that I thought was going to kill me. It made covid look like a weak bitch. And I say that as someone that caught a fairly bad case of Covid. I caught it before I was eligible for vaccine, and it was one of the early strains. Hope you heal up fully!
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Been insanely sick for 12 days. Today is my first day of feeling like I’m recovering. Took a rapid test and PCR the first day I felt sick and both came back negative. Continued to get worse and worse to the point I was bedridden. Felt like I was drowning when I tried to sleep. Ended up getting bronchitis. Felt like I was going to die at times. Maybe bad flu? I’ve been reading that nasal swabs aren’t catching omicron as well as a throat swab, so maybe that’s what happened. Who knows. Girlfriend never caught it, so that’s good at least.
I tried to return to work Thursday because I felt “better”, but my boss sent me home after an hour. In that hour I was there 12 people called out with positive covid cases. It’s everywhere.
yeah flu is still out there, there have been cases of people catching both at the same time, they call it flurona. but apparently the flu has a hard time due to the pandemic restrictions.
best wishes for your recovery @skateboardnorthEDIT: i actually mean @Grampa sry about mixing up you guys quotes
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I had that swine flu back 10 years or so ago. Shot knocked me around hard. I was feverish for days, having crazy fever dreams, haunted by this ad for Subway sandwiches that even seeped into my dreams.
Hope COVID isn't like that for me, it's everywhere at the moment so I guess I'll get it sometime, best thing you can do is get vaxxed and hope it treats ya well
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had my third shot of biontech in december (comparable to moderna) and no side effects aside that my arm hurt for half a day
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i got boosterd with moderna today. no side effects yet other than sore arm. actually surprised i am doing this well since i haven't slept and eaten well the day coming up. i got two biontec shots before and the worst side effect i had was that the armpit of the arm i got shot in swol up, including lymph node, but that lasted a day and wasn't very severe either.
i'm pretty sure though there's a good chance i caught the bug right then and there. like holy fuck, we had to sit with like hundred other people around for about an hour and i think all the time dude, someone in here must have covid rn for sure.
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Exercise the fuck out of your poked arm and it won't hurt nearly as bad the next day. Push ups, pull ups, shadow box.
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Exercise the fuck out of your poked arm and it won't hurt nearly as bad the next day. Push ups, pull ups, shadow box.
i do that every two days anyways, doing curls rn babeee!
i had mad shivers when i went to bed, felt like i would get a fever. slept pretty well and now i feel pretty good again. just my whole left side hurts a bit like it's sore, like i took a slam to it, moreso than with the first two shots. and i have a slight headache, like being mildly hungover. but it's alright. heard of some that moderna fucked them up for a day or two, so i'll just stay home today and tomorrow. what a great time to be unemployed.
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Exercise the fuck out of your poked arm and it won't hurt nearly as bad the next day. Push ups, pull ups, shadow box.
Ehm.. Bro.... After my first pfizer I could barely squat and deadlift, upper body movement was out of the question.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
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Exercise the fuck out of your poked arm and it won't hurt nearly as bad the next day. Push ups, pull ups, shadow box.
Ehm.. Bro.... After my first pfizer I could barely squat and deadlift, upper body movement was out of the question.
just tried to excercise the fuck out of my arms. the left one just hurts more now.
at least i got a bunch of reps in.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
I agree about a lack of investment in healthcare, in the US anyways, there's no investment in healthcare.
TBH, I feel that if the US had taken a better approach, rather than complete denial and conspiracy peddling from the White House, such division might not be so harsh up North.
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Very interesting to see what's going on in Quebec (Ontario here myself)
I also saw that they made it illegal for liquor and weed dispensaries to sell to people who don't show vaccine cards, thought that was funny and in all seriousness quite effective
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I'm fully Vaxd. Pfizer. Whole family started feeling I'll Saturday.
Wife got a positive take home result Monday. I went Tuesday to mass test and am also positive. Sat in a line of cars for 2 hours in misery to get tested for HR at work. Ready to feel better anytime now.
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Very interesting to see what's going on in Quebec (Ontario here myself)
I also saw that they made it illegal for liquor and weed dispensaries to sell to people who don't show vaccine cards, thought that was funny and in all seriousness quite effective
Since they made weed stores and liquor stores Vax-pass only, there’s been a huge uptick of first doses for a lot of unvax’d people. It’s working.
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Very interesting to see what's going on in Quebec (Ontario here myself)
I also saw that they made it illegal for liquor and weed dispensaries to sell to people who don't show vaccine cards, thought that was funny and in all seriousness quite effective
Since they made weed stores and liquor stores Vax-pass only, there’s been a huge uptick of first doses for a lot of unvax’d people. It’s working.
i think he was referencing the health tax the premiere was proposing implementing on the un vax'd
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Been feeling under the weather for a couple days now, super paranoid about having COVID. Seems like half the people I know have it right now. Fully vaxxed and boostered, so we’ll see how it goes.
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Been feeling under the weather for a couple days now, super paranoid about having COVID. Seems like half the people I know have it right now. Fully vaxxed and boostered, so we’ll see how it goes.
brother frank,
wish you the best for recovery. i just got boostered and it's everywhere. technically i saw two people that might have had it at that point. testing sites are booked out and everyone seems to be negative in the home tests.
i try to keep my mood chill as long as i'm not feeling like total trash.
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My kid’s class got sent home Monday due to positive cases. He’s vaxxed but had to quarantine anyway. He got tested this morning, all good. He can go back today but we’re keeping him home until Monday; we’re getting text alerts from the school every night “another 9, 10, 11 new cases today.”
Work is changing. Encouraged to not meet clients face to face for the next few weeks. Can go get tested during work hours and not have to log it. Taking an “extended lunch” today for that.
It’s everywhere, and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to not throw my hands up like fuck it. Covid apathy is a real thing I guess.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
The government creates the hate, and the media just stokes the flames. A divided country is obviously less of a threat to those overlords. They win just as they planned.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
Couldn't of said it any better.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lynch_speech
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lynch_speech
The ole Divide and conquer routine.
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Premier of Quebec not fucking around anymore, says he’ll implement a “significant financial penalty” for those without medical exemptions that refuse to get vaxxed. I’m sure this will go over well… would love to see such measures even suggested in the US. Hope you got your shots @TheBoognish
This is going to be a major shitshow and nothing positive will come of it, if anything, it'll further divide an already very divided people. Won't be surprised to see this either heading to the Supreme Court or turning into something else entirely.
But yes, I have my two doses and booster shot appointments start on the 14th for my age group, because like always, Quebec is behind.
Legault does not do this for the people, he does this for his electors. If the boomers feel safe, that's all he needs and will win the next election for sure.
Dr. Horacio Arruda, our Health Director, resigned yesterday so the next few weeks will be something.
I just want to get back to doing jiu-jitsu man, that's all I want.
This is how I see it playing out too. The News stations are already chomping at the bit about it and it's all you'll hear on the news this week in Canada. This country gets divided mroe and more everyday it seems.
The real "enemy" is the government for not investing in healthcare for the last 40 years, but it's all to easy to scapegoat a group of humans for something our overlords overlooked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3gy_CLXho
No one likes bill Maher, just like they don't like you fuckwit
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Apparently François Legault is going to announce the end of the Quebec-wide curfew tonight, it should take effect on Monday.
Polls must be terrible right now, because that's what he bases everything off of.
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Not much Omicron here in Singapore, but it's in the post. Had my Moderna booster today. Don't feel too bad, actually.
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Not much Omicron here in Singapore, but it's in the post. Had my Moderna booster today. Don't feel too bad, actually.
it fucked me up a day later, but mostly i felt like a took a bad slam on my left body side, headaches included. had the shivers for a little before i went to sleep the first night. generally just slept a lot for three days. day 4 and now i feel normal again.
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Individuals within 90 days of a documented COVID-19 infection fall within the equivalent of "fully vaccinated."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33006959/ncaa-updates-covid-guidelines-winter-sports
Wtf is going on?
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NCAA just wants to get back to exploiting college students and stack that paper again.
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Individuals within 90 days of a documented COVID-19 infection fall within the equivalent of "fully vaccinated."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33006959/ncaa-updates-covid-guidelines-winter-sports
Wtf is going on?
natural immunity apparently lasts 90 days.
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Got the Moderna booster last night and just like last time my armpit/lymph nodes are swollen and painful. Such a shitty awkward side effect.
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Got the Moderna booster last night and just like last time my armpit/lymph nodes are swollen and painful. Such a shitty awkward side effect.
fr, that was the worst for me as well. my lymphnode in my left armpit was bigger than a golf ball.
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Individuals within 90 days of a documented COVID-19 infection fall within the equivalent of "fully vaccinated."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33006959/ncaa-updates-covid-guidelines-winter-sports
Wtf is going on?
A lot of these things ("experts" and so on) seem kind of like:
(https://i.ibb.co/5vhPJqL/ij.gif) (https://ibb.co/7Vtq07K)
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@ok boomer
Best signature gift ever. Memories, man. Memories
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(https://i.imgur.com/6IHdJre.jpg)
This is mind boggling. Uk is supposedly getting rid of their Covid restrictions, and we have a public school teacher taping a mask to someone's child. What a fuckshow.
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yeah, shit is getting weird. i guess we're about to enter that phase where covid is like the flu. stuff doesn't move at the same speeds, but i guess all countries will evt. open up. since there are a couple more vaccines and now even medication coming out soon, i guess the overall sentiment is that the pandemic is going endemic and manageable without stuff like lockdowns.
it just won't happen at the same time everywhere and of course will be done differently.
in germany the rules are pretty dumb, too. as in paradoxical. you can do whatever if you are boostered without getting tested, even though it's clear now that the current vaccines don't really prevent infection. so boostered people can theoretically spill it around unknowingly as long as they don't get tested and maybe find out that they have. generally there are now several tiers of (non-)privileges you have according to vaccination status. and they also halved the time you are seen as immunized from 6 months to 3 over night on the weekend, so on saturday a great deal of people had suddenly no official immunization anymore, had to get tests for their shopping or to go to a restaurant, or couldn't go to their soccer games. and that pissed a good deal of people off.
unfortunately the new government seems as clueless as the last, even though the new health minister seems to be more qualified than the last. the pandemic is also a great excuse for our new government to not do any other work. minimum wage is getting raised, but they will do it at the end of the year, even tho for the people it would be way better to hurry that up.
projects for a greener/more environmentally friendly economy, weed legalization, reform of healthcare and welfare systems are all postponed until whenever, because our government says it can't do anything besides handling the pandemic. but the states are actually doing what they want anyways, and it seems we got our version of a biden administration that seems a bit nicer than the last, but seems to get nothing done just the same or forfeited all the good ideas they came up with to win elections just to do bare minimum. of course there is the ukraine crisis now as well.
i hope this is the last really bad wave of covid, but i'm still bracing myself for one or two more years of this madness.
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Just had my third Moderna shot early this morning.
I know a lot of people were pretty beat up by their third dose, but for me it did the total opposite: I feel like I'm on cocaine right now and I have a TON of energy, I don't get it. Arm doesn't hurt at all and I have no symptoms like my first two shots (which were extremely mild compared to others), I'm just wide awake. I watched the UFC and went to bed late last night, smoked a ton of weed, drank about 9 beers and ate like crap, I have every reason to feel like shit right now but nope.
So far I have shovelled my balcony and my driveway, cleaned the hell out of my bathroom, passed the vacuum cleaner everywhere, did some washing, prepared some lunches for the week and now I'm about to go for a walk. I might even get on my bike later if I have energy.
Maybe it'll hit me later but for now I feel great.
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Would be sick if the 3rd shot just was cocaine
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Would be sick if the 3rd shot just was cocaine
Sounds like it is in Canada!
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Just had my third Moderna shot early this morning.
I know a lot of people were pretty beat up by their third dose, but for me it did the total opposite: I feel like I'm on cocaine right now and I have a TON of energy, I don't get it. Arm doesn't hurt at all and I have no symptoms like my first two shots (which were extremely mild compared to others), I'm just wide awake. I watched the UFC and went to bed late last night, smoked a ton of weed, drank about 9 beers and ate like crap, I have every reason to feel like shit right now but nope.
So far I have shovelled my balcony and my driveway, cleaned the hell out of my bathroom, passed the vacuum cleaner everywhere, did some washing, prepared some lunches for the week and now I'm about to go for a walk. I might even get on my bike later if I have energy.
Maybe it'll hit me later but for now I feel great.
I got a Moderna booster shot a few weeks back and the long-covid effects, such as being brain dead/brain fog and low energy, have mostly dissipated. Pretty rad
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My bi annual subscription to a pharma experiment is making me feel like shit… GET VAXXD YALL!!!
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Just had my third Moderna shot early this morning.
I know a lot of people were pretty beat up by their third dose, but for me it did the total opposite: I feel like I'm on cocaine right now and I have a TON of energy, I don't get it. Arm doesn't hurt at all and I have no symptoms like my first two shots (which were extremely mild compared to others), I'm just wide awake. I watched the UFC and went to bed late last night, smoked a ton of weed, drank about 9 beers and ate like crap, I have every reason to feel like shit right now but nope.
So far I have shovelled my balcony and my driveway, cleaned the hell out of my bathroom, passed the vacuum cleaner everywhere, did some washing, prepared some lunches for the week and now I'm about to go for a walk. I might even get on my bike later if I have energy.
Maybe it'll hit me later but for now I feel great.
I got a Moderna booster shot a few weeks back and the long-covid effects, such as being brain dead/brain fog and low energy, have mostly dissipated. Pretty rad
That's really awesome. I know covid knocked you down hard and it's good you can finally feel normal again.
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Anyone else get armpit pain following their booster?
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Just had my third Moderna shot early this morning.
I know a lot of people were pretty beat up by their third dose, but for me it did the total opposite: I feel like I'm on cocaine right now and I have a TON of energy, I don't get it. Arm doesn't hurt at all and I have no symptoms like my first two shots (which were extremely mild compared to others), I'm just wide awake. I watched the UFC and went to bed late last night, smoked a ton of weed, drank about 9 beers and ate like crap, I have every reason to feel like shit right now but nope.
So far I have shovelled my balcony and my driveway, cleaned the hell out of my bathroom, passed the vacuum cleaner everywhere, did some washing, prepared some lunches for the week and now I'm about to go for a walk. I might even get on my bike later if I have energy.
Maybe it'll hit me later but for now I feel great.
Also had some serious coke energy, but after my second shot. Crushed some cheeseburgers, hit the bike, had a way too long phone call with my sister-in-law about irrelevant novels. Good times. Was looking forward to the booster but all I got was a sore arm. Clearly some stepped on shit...
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@ok boomer
Best signature gift ever. Memories, man. Memories
It's a classic flick. Should be nationally protected
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Hey man we’re the land of snow for a reason.
(No actually the blow here is total shit and cut to hell and back)
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Just had my third Moderna shot early this morning.
I know a lot of people were pretty beat up by their third dose, but for me it did the total opposite: I feel like I'm on cocaine right now and I have a TON of energy, I don't get it. Arm doesn't hurt at all and I have no symptoms like my first two shots (which were extremely mild compared to others), I'm just wide awake. I watched the UFC and went to bed late last night, smoked a ton of weed, drank about 9 beers and ate like crap, I have every reason to feel like shit right now but nope.
So far I have shovelled my balcony and my driveway, cleaned the hell out of my bathroom, passed the vacuum cleaner everywhere, did some washing, prepared some lunches for the week and now I'm about to go for a walk. I might even get on my bike later if I have energy.
Maybe it'll hit me later but for now I feel great.
I got a Moderna booster shot a few weeks back and the long-covid effects, such as being brain dead/brain fog and low energy, have mostly dissipated. Pretty rad
thanks! It's pretty nice to be feeling pretty well and in a good mood again!
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had it last week and it was pretty mellow aside from severe congestion and some fatigue
had symptoms from monday-thursday
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woke up overnight thursday of last week sweating with a horrible sore throat. i ended up sleeping for like 36 hours, minus getting up late friday afternoon to take a covid test that was positive.
today would be day 6 and im still coughing like crazy. half of them are "productive" and the rest is a dry chest burning shitty painful thing. also still have a stuffy or runny nose and some on and off fatigue. stomach isnt feeling great either as ive barely desired food in the last day or two.
i had the j&j about 6 months prior. this definitely sucks but we work from home most of the time, so its not been too bad as far as work goes. luckily i had a PTO day on friday so i was able to sleep/rest during the absolute worst of it without any guilt.
ive had hangovers that were up there with how bad i felt friday but otherwise dont remember ever feeling that bad. i could barely stay asleep because the body aches were so bad no matter which way i laid.
hoping this fizzles off but even with the vax, it sucks.
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woke up overnight thursday of last week sweating with a horrible sore throat. i ended up sleeping for like 36 hours, minus getting up late friday afternoon to take a covid test that was positive.
today would be day 6 and im still coughing like crazy. half of them are "productive" and the rest is a dry chest burning shitty painful thing. also still have a stuffy or runny nose and some on and off fatigue. stomach isnt feeling great either as ive barely desired food in the last day or two.
i had the j&j about 6 months prior. this definitely sucks but we work from home most of the time, so its not been too bad as far as work goes. luckily i had a PTO day on friday so i was able to sleep/rest during the absolute worst of it without any guilt.
ive had hangovers that were up there with how bad i felt friday but otherwise dont remember ever feeling that bad. i could barely stay asleep because the body aches were so bad no matter which way i laid.
hoping this fizzles off but even with the vax, it sucks.
Yo my friend, I'm sorry you're feeling shitty. Take time off if you can and just sleep. Let your brain and body fight w.o needing to think. Hydration and ibuprofen help
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Recently went for my booster. No side effects.
This was to be my final hit, but let's be clear about this. There's final hits and final hits. What kind was this to be?
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Well played Rent Boy.
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Anyone else get armpit pain following their booster?
I did, big time. It actually freaked me out, but I knew that's where a lymphnode is.
First two shots didn't phase me, but the booster knocked me down. Fever, aches, swollen pit, the works.
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I mixed and matched. Double dose of Pfizer, followed by a Moderna booster. Apparently, it makes you feel worse, but offers slightly enhanced immunity. I had a fever for 18 hours or so, but managed to do my work. My wife had no side effects beyond the standard sore arm. Glad to have it out of the way.
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Question of the day. Have I again contracted a Covid-19 variant? It's sure feeling like a low-key Covid infection these past 24 hours. Gonna go get a test in a bit. Hey, I'll test positive and it won't be too bad. Maybe I'll get a chance to get some monoclonal antibodies this time too.
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I mixed and matched. Double dose of Pfizer, followed by a Moderna booster. Apparently, it makes you feel worse, but offers slightly enhanced immunity. I had a fever for 18 hours or so, but managed to do my work. My wife had no side effects beyond the standard sore arm. Glad to have it out of the way.
i got the same combo. my arm hurt a bit more after the moderna booster, and i had shivers for an hour before going to bed on day 1. felt a little more tired for two days and that was it.
Question of the day. Have I again contracted a Covid-19 variant? It's sure feeling like a low-key Covid infection these past 24 hours. Gonna go get a test in a bit. Hey, I'll test positive and it won't be too bad. Maybe I'll get a chance to get some monoclonal antibodies this time too.
shit, hoping for you it's not covid again!
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Recently went for my booster. No side effects.
This was to be my final hit, but let's be clear about this. There's final hits and final hits. What kind was this to be?
... Stuffing your arms with that shite...
Got third Pfizer yesterday, arm hurts, we'll see about the rest.
Edit: yeah... got kind of cucked... Weak and slow.
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Mask off, fuck it mask off!
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I'm keeping my mask on. I will be a ninja henceforth.
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I’m wearing a mask forever. Fuck your breath.
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I’m wearing a mask forever. Fuck your breath.
Bing bong!
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I’m wearing a mask forever. Fuck your breath.
Yup. That's also a plus. I know some women love the ability to hide their looks behind their mask and get less harassment.
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I’m wearing a mask forever. Fuck your breath.
or
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-digitally/202202/can-wearing-face-mask-make-you-more-attractive (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-digitally/202202/can-wearing-face-mask-make-you-more-attractive)
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I’m wearing a mask forever. Fuck your breath.
or
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-digitally/202202/can-wearing-face-mask-make-you-more-attractive (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-digitally/202202/can-wearing-face-mask-make-you-more-attractive)
I've definitely had some coffee shop/grocery store crushes that my shallow ass stopped feeling once the masks came off!
but really, I kinda dig wearing masks in the store and all that stuff. hat, hood, shades, mask. no one knows me
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Went to a convention in New Orleans. Got back Saturday and felt kind of out of it. Tested Monday and was negative. Tuesday night was pretty rough trying to sleep due to the coughing. Re-tested today and turned out positive. So glad I got those at home tests.
So far I have just felt chills, fatigue, stuffy nose, and lots of coughing. Breathing is slightly poorer but nothing too crazy. Fully vaxxxed and boosted.
(https://i.ibb.co/YRvq0LM/thanksgiving.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YRvq0LM)
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masks have been a godsend since a drunk driver gave me afew extra holes in my face ina hit run. theyre scars now but still, dare to show my face again now with a mask
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Went to a convention in New Orleans. Got back Saturday and felt kind of out of it. Tested Monday and was negative. Tuesday night was pretty rough trying to sleep due to the coughing. Re-tested today and turned out positive. So glad I got those at home tests.
So far I have just felt chills, fatigue, stuffy nose, and lots of coughing. Breathing is slightly poorer but nothing too crazy. Fully vaxxxed and boosted.
(https://i.ibb.co/YRvq0LM/thanksgiving.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YRvq0LM)
Hope you're feeling okay for this indigenous remembrance day. Can you take anything for your cough?
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I had covid over thanksgiving week, which was kind of a mixed blessing since I find family gatherings super stressful. So, I was home alone for the week instead. Been vaccinated/boosted, and the case was very mellow. I had a low fever for maybe 36 hours. Runny nose, no cough or anything. Tired, with a headache, but I feel that way pretty much all the time anyway. Tested negative after 6 days.
Much less severe than a friend of mine who had it a couple of weeks before, who had been vaccinated but no booster.
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Went to a convention in New Orleans. Got back Saturday and felt kind of out of it. Tested Monday and was negative. Tuesday night was pretty rough trying to sleep due to the coughing. Re-tested today and turned out positive. So glad I got those at home tests.
So far I have just felt chills, fatigue, stuffy nose, and lots of coughing. Breathing is slightly poorer but nothing too crazy. Fully vaxxxed and boosted.
(https://i.ibb.co/YRvq0LM/thanksgiving.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YRvq0LM)
Thanks! I didn't take anything but it has mellowed out a bit. Fortunately, it happened at the best part of the semester.
I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but I have had wildly vivid dreams.
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My friend just caught it a 2nd time and it hit him pretty heavy again, whereas when I caught it for the second time in late July, it was pretty mellow.
I figure my immunity is coming to a close so I need to get the newest booster soon.
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Anyone ever successfully avoid catching covid after a roommate tests positive? Feel like its inevitable and who knows i would probably already test positive if I took one I bet
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Anyone ever successfully avoid catching covid after a roommate tests positive? Feel like its inevitable and who knows i would probably already test positive if I took one I bet
I am on the mend from getting it via the roommate. This is round three for me, with receiving the most recent booster early November, and I still got leveled. Four days in bed, still testing positive on day 11. I’ve still got a sinus drip and limited taste and smell. I’m tempted to get a PCR test to see which variant is dancing in my britches. I’m a healthy guy and get my sun baths in and all, and this one still got me good.
Stay safe out there Pals.
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Anyone ever successfully avoid catching covid after a roommate tests positive? Feel like its inevitable and who knows i would probably already test positive if I took one I bet
I am on the mend from getting it via the roommate. This is round three for me, with receiving the most recent booster early November, and I still got leveled. Four days in bed, still testing positive on day 11. I’ve still got a sinus drip and limited taste and smell. I’m tempted to get a PCR test to see which variant is dancing in my britches. I’m a healthy guy and get my sun baths in and all, and this one still got me good.
Stay safe out there Pals.
God damn. And is it still the assumption that as long as someone is testing positive they're still contagious? Cause I'll hear some sources just say quarantine 5 days and you're good but if the test is positive after that sounds sketchy to go out lol
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Anyone ever successfully avoid catching covid after a roommate tests positive? Feel like its inevitable and who knows i would probably already test positive if I took one I bet
I am on the mend from getting it via the roommate. This is round three for me, with receiving the most recent booster early November, and I still got leveled. Four days in bed, still testing positive on day 11. I’ve still got a sinus drip and limited taste and smell. I’m tempted to get a PCR test to see which variant is dancing in my britches. I’m a healthy guy and get my sun baths in and all, and this one still got me good.
Stay safe out there Pals.
God damn. And is it still the assumption that as long as someone is testing positive they're still contagious? Cause I'll hear some sources just say quarantine 5 days and you're good but if the test is positive after that sounds sketchy to go out lol
I’m in the US so we have the governmental CDC advice. But I can take another few days past five to be sure I’m not hurting no nobodies.
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Anyone ever successfully avoid catching covid after a roommate tests positive? Feel like its inevitable and who knows i would probably already test positive if I took one I bet
My wife currently has covid and we've been sleeping in separate rooms, but otherwise haven't been as strict as maybe we should be. She wears a mask in any shared areas and has still been using the kitchen etc. It's been 6 days and so far I haven't caught it though she's still testing positive.
We both got boosted in the beginning of November (my fourth shot) so her symptoms have fortunately been extremely mild, and maybe it's helped prevent me from getting it? I still haven't had it so maybe I'm superhuman. Hard to say.
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My kid and all the kids at his daycare got covid last may, (my wife and I got it from him as well) but my daycare provider did not. She wore a mask
My daycare provider, her husband, and son got covid 2 weeks ago, but none of the kids got it
She wore a mask.
It's a home daycare.
I know, mind blowing stuff
I just got my flu shot and the bivalent vaccine and I am probably going to "die suddenly"
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US Government is offering free tests kits again: https://special.usps.com/testkits
If you have any expired kits, the expiration date may have been extended: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/home-otc-covid-19-diagnostic-tests#list
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US Government is offering free tests kits again: https://special.usps.com/testkits
If you have any expired kits, the expiration date may have been extended: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/home-otc-covid-19-diagnostic-tests#list
Thanks for the heads up!
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thanks for the usps link, got mine coming
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Also, in case anyone doesn't know, some health insurance providers will reimburse for a certain amount of tests a month. I had to buy a couple recently and my wife's insurance will reimburse for up to 8 tests a month with a receipt and the box.
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Roommate is still positive but I'm currently still negative on the covid test. But am I supposed to stay quarantined like them until they're clear or is it acceptable to go out and hang with people... like is there risk I'll just be bringing covid with me even if I'm not positive?
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Roommate is still positive but I'm currently still negative on the covid test. But am I supposed to stay quarantined like them until they're clear or is it acceptable to go out and hang with people... like is there risk I'll just be bringing covid with me even if I'm not positive?
There is some risk. Just wear a mask indoors/close contact. It's a hassle but that's the compromise.
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Ah fuck it all i woke up with covid.
First time getting it. There should be a trophy system for those who made it this far
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Ah fuck it all i woke up with covid.
First time getting it. There should be a trophy system for those who made it this far
Bummer. You had a good run. I haven’t gotten it still, but not for lack of trying. My wife and I haven’t had very good isolation practices this week but so far no problem for me.
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Ah fuck it all i woke up with covid.
First time getting it. There should be a trophy system for those who made it this far
I had it for the first time this week. Felt like a mild flu for about 1 day.
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Covid farts are crazy
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Day 4 everything is almost good except for an ongoing insane sore throat. Idk if its the whole lymphatic system or whatever but the more I focus on the feeling it seems like everything in my throat and what connects to ears and nose is just swollen and extremely sensitive. Can't even swallow my own saliva without excruciating pain and nearly die every time I cough and hack up a mouthful of flem. Like at what point can covid lead to some other issue that might actually be worth a trip to the doctor? Like it feels like an ear infection could be right around the corner and I think there are meds to help with that sort of thing so its really annoying having no idea what do I just sit and suffer through vs trying to go out and see if a doctor could help any of this
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Ah fuck it all i woke up with covid.
First time getting it. There should be a trophy system for those who made it this far
Still haven't got it, but finally got that crazy Flu that the news is talking about this week (its been since 2017 when last had it) and goddamn this shit sucks, makes me wonder if I should have gotten the flu shot when I got my booster
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Day 4 everything is almost good except for an ongoing insane sore throat. Idk if its the whole lymphatic system or whatever but the more I focus on the feeling it seems like everything in my throat and what connects to ears and nose is just swollen and extremely sensitive. Can't even swallow my own saliva without excruciating pain and nearly die every time I cough and hack up a mouthful of flem. Like at what point can covid lead to some other issue that might actually be worth a trip to the doctor? Like it feels like an ear infection could be right around the corner and I think there are meds to help with that sort of thing so its really annoying having no idea what do I just sit and suffer through vs trying to go out and see if a doctor could help any of this
could just be the regular ass flu
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Day 4 everything is almost good except for an ongoing insane sore throat. Idk if its the whole lymphatic system or whatever but the more I focus on the feeling it seems like everything in my throat and what connects to ears and nose is just swollen and extremely sensitive. Can't even swallow my own saliva without excruciating pain and nearly die every time I cough and hack up a mouthful of flem. Like at what point can covid lead to some other issue that might actually be worth a trip to the doctor? Like it feels like an ear infection could be right around the corner and I think there are meds to help with that sort of thing so its really annoying having no idea what do I just sit and suffer through vs trying to go out and see if a doctor could help any of this
That sounds like strep throat. I had that numerous times in hike school. REALLY sucks. If you have insurance, I'd get checked out if possible so you can get the proper treatment. I liked to punish my body for feeling like trash so I'd drink hot and spicy broths and soups in protest.
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Day 4 everything is almost good except for an ongoing insane sore throat. Idk if its the whole lymphatic system or whatever but the more I focus on the feeling it seems like everything in my throat and what connects to ears and nose is just swollen and extremely sensitive. Can't even swallow my own saliva without excruciating pain and nearly die every time I cough and hack up a mouthful of flem. Like at what point can covid lead to some other issue that might actually be worth a trip to the doctor? Like it feels like an ear infection could be right around the corner and I think there are meds to help with that sort of thing so its really annoying having no idea what do I just sit and suffer through vs trying to go out and see if a doctor could help any of this
That sounds like strep throat. I had that numerous times in hike school. REALLY sucks. If you have insurance, I'd get checked out if possible so you can get the proper treatment. I liked to punish my body for feeling like trash so I'd drink hot and spicy broths and soups in protest.
Overnight it finally reduced in severity by probably 80% so now I'm just finally dealing with a reasonable sore throat. I was definitely worried for a minute though it was worse. I'll hold another day and hope to see further recovery tomorrow but otherwise I'd say I'm just about fully recovered from covid
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I took my second booster the other week. Limited to almost no symptoms. I was skating the following day. Interesting huh
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I took my second booster the other week. Limited to almost no symptoms. I was skating the following day. Interesting huh
Me too but i got it yesterday and I’m not skating today probably, but almost no symptoms. I almost died after my first shot ever and get scared every time now.
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Fuck it
I only took the first shot of J&J and I'm not taking anything more
If it was today I wouldn't even take the first shot to begin with
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Fuck it
I only took the first shot of J&J and I'm not taking anything more
If it was today I wouldn't even take the first shot to begin with
Very cool, thanks for sharing your opinion.
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Took my first booster a year ago but refusing to take my 2nd booster. COVID is settling down so I’m not worried. Even till this day, I got accustomed to wearing my mask still, except when I skate.
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Took my first booster a year ago but refusing to take my 2nd booster. COVID is settling down so I’m not worried. Even till this day, I got accustomed to wearing my mask still, except when I skate.
Why not get it? I look at it the same way I look at getting a flu shot. Cheap insurance…
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Took my first booster a year ago but refusing to take my 2nd booster. COVID is settling down so I’m not worried. Even till this day, I got accustomed to wearing my mask still, except when I skate.
Why not get it? I look at it the same way I look at getting a flu shot. Cheap insurance…
exactly this .. there’s thing that exists to stop you from getting sicker and you’re like no ill pass .. ok have fun
im so sick of all these people that act politically woke but then when it comes to the covid vaccine they take a step back cuz they’re fake fucks .. this pandemic has proved to me that the majority of humans are selfish
also nurses are not doctors and im learning that many of them can fuck off
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
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Got the latest booster and flu shot back in late December, at the same time. Aside from mild sore feeling in vaccination area, zero issues. One on each arm. So far, haven't caught Covid. Still wearing a mask around large groups of people or when in a room in close proximity with others while at work or certain social gatherings. I work in the health field with individuals with intellectual disabilities. My community and the population I work with got slammed covid. I ain't playing around with their health or my health. Hope you're all staying safe.
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Boosted back in December & got the flu shot the same day. Still wear a mask as I’m regularly in & out of schools. I also work directly with people everyday.
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Got the latest booster and flu shot back in late December, at the same time. Aside from mild sore feeling in vaccination area, zero issues. One on each arm. So far, haven't caught Covid. Still wearing a mask around large groups of people or when in a room in close proximity with others while at work or certain social gatherings. I work in the health field with individuals with intellectual disabilities. My community and the population I work with got slammed covid. I ain't playing around with their health or my health. Hope you're all staying safe.
I did the same thing in January. I always get a gnarly vaccine hangover the next day from the covid shot but by day 2 I'm fine. I got covid once back in august and that shit sucked, I can't imagine how fucked I would've felt if I wasn't boosted up.
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I had a nasty cold this week, tested multiple times but no Covid. Even swabbed my throat and my nose. So far, still haven’t caught the rona (knock on wood). Got my second booster in November, figure it’ll just be an annual thing now like my flu shot.
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I have had three shots of the BioNTech/Pfizer. I am not getting anymore for awhile. All of them sucked and I couldn’t skate for five days after. Taking those shots is pretty bad for you I feel. I trust the science and believe that overall they improve my chances for a milder case of Covid, but damn they suck.
I might take another one, whenever they release an improved version with less side effects and better efficiency.